Does the CC-370 come in cherry ?

I do not know a place where they are listed...however, here are the MSRPs for the system I just bought...

monitor 11s $1099

mini monitors $399

cc370 $379

EDIT: I have the Monitor 11s... not the 9s. Sorry....brain fart.

-Eli

Does the CC-370 come in cherry ?

No. mine is black "Magna shield" i wish it came in cherry.

-Eli

Does the CC-370 come in cherry ?

No, Brushed Platinum or Black Graphite. Although I was at a dealer last night and he indicated that there is a big electronics show next week where Paradigm is introducing 50 new skus. He thought some of these were going to be other colors/finishes for the center channels.

Is there a place to find out the MSRP on Paradigm speakers? I can't seem to find it on their website, and many sites like audioreview and audiogon don't list what version the price is for.
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm#Paradigm

No, Brushed Platinum or Black Graphite. Although I was at a dealer last night and he indicated that there is a big electronics show next week where Paradigm is introducing 50 new skus. He thought some of these were going to be other colors/finishes for the center channels.

My dealer said the same thing last week when I went in to listen to some of the Monitor V.4, but instead listened to a pair of S4's..SWEET!
The show would be CEDIA

With that being said, I have to ask, why is it that the cc-470 gets mentioned alot more than the cc-570? I have to figure that the CC is the most important speaker for HT, so why skimp on it...

For me it was simply a case of the CC-570 being too wide for where I needed it to go. Otherwise, I probably would have paid the extra $200 for the CC-570 over the CC-470.

Thanks for the advice. So do you place the 20's against the back wall facing directly at the listening position?

I've got the 20's placed on the sides, very slightly behind and angled slightly ahead of the optimum listening position. They are very near the back wall on J29 speaker stands. They are placed about 6~8 feet from the listening position.

Is there a place to find out the MSRP on Paradigm speakers? I can't seem to find it on their website, and many sites like audioreview and audiogon don't list what version the price is for.


Bradfordshifi was already provided by redline65 above. Here is the page on the Paradigm site for their recommended system packages with suggested MSRP for the packages.
http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/SystemChoice/systems.html

Here is the same thing for the Reference series.
http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/RModels/SystemChoice/systems.html

srckmack, I'm curious...did you fill the J-29 stands with sand?

Which speaker in the Monitor Series do Paradigm owners here think is the best value in the series? From what I have read elsewhere, people usually the prefer the Monitor 7 or Mini-Monitor for the money.

Also, has anyone heard the difference betweent he V.3 and V.4 and is a noticeable improvement?

In my opinion the Monitor 7's are perhaps the best overall value (Price/Sound/Qualiy), however when properly motivated (powered) the 11's are still awesome :) and seeing as how I could'nt entirely make up my mind....

I bought both :)

Oh yeah.. My experiences are mainly with the Performance/Monitor Lines, I beleive the Studios are the superior speaker, just more $$

I like my 570 as my center. I have not tried my 20 as a center so I can't give a direct comparison. The 570 is purpose built as a center so you would hope it would sound better than a 20.

No. horizontal speakers wont sound as good, as an equally sized bookshelf speaker. Off axis problems with the tweeter being in the middle of 2 mids is the problem.

Which speaker in the Monitor Series do Paradigm owners here think is the best value in the series? From what I have read elsewhere, people usually the prefer the Monitor 7 or Mini-Monitor for the money.

Also, has anyone heard the difference betweent he V.3 and V.4 and is a noticeable improvement?

I noted the difference in a previous post in this thread.

No. horizontal speakers wont sound as good, as an equally sized bookshelf speaker. Off axis problems with the tweeter being in the middle of 2 mids is the problem.

What are off axis problems?

off-axis response A loudspeaker’s frequency response measured at the loudspeaker’s sides. Contrast with on-axis, the loudspeaker’s response directly in front of the baffle.

With a tweeter in the middle, it negatively effects the tweeters response.

What are off axis problems?

When the path distance to the listener from 2 drivers reproducing the same sound is different, they will constructively and destructively interact. This is a concomitant of a horizontal array if you sit off-axis. Not the same with a vertical array.

Kal

Thanks Kal for further explanation.

In my opinion the Monitor 7's are perhaps the best overall value (Price/Sound/Qualiy), however when properly motivated (powered) the 11's are still awesome :) and seeing as how I could'nt entirely make up my mind....

I bought both :)

Oh yeah.. My experiences are mainly with the Performance/Monitor Lines, I beleive the Studios are the superior speaker, just more $$
I agree, the Monitor 7's are really great for the money. They were my #1 choice...until the sales guy swapped them out for the Studio 60's and I listened to the same songs on them, which blew me away. The Studio 60's cost me about twice as much, but at least I know I won't have the itch to upgrade later. :)

I agree, the Monitor 7's are really great for the money. They were my #1 choice...until the sales guy swapped them out for the Studio 60's and I listened to the same songs on them, which blew me away. The Studio 60's cost me about twice as much, but at least I know I won't have the itch to upgrade later. :)

Have you heard the Signature series? :D

When the path distance to the listener from 2 drivers reproducing the same sound is different, they will constructively and destructively interact. This is a concomitant of a horizontal array if you sit off-axis. Not the same with a vertical array.

Kal

At what point or distance does this become a problem? Assuming everything is cool sitting directly in front of the speaker, if you move one seat to the right or left or two seats, etc.

As little as 1 inch can make a difference.

I would like to clarify something...

The CC370 v.1 & v.2 were good down to 70hz. The v.3 & v.4 down to 100hz.

The CC has NO internal bracing, and uses 5/8" instead of 3/4" particleboard.

I would like to clarify something...

The CC370 v.1 & v.2 were good down to 70hz. The v.3 & v.4 down to 100hz.

The CC has NO internal bracing, and uses 5/8" instead of 3/4" particleboard.

Wonder why Paradigm did this with the CC-370. Even the CC-170 and CC-270 in the Performance line are rated down to 70Hz.

Wonder why Paradigm did this with the CC-370. Even the CC-170 and CC-270 in the Performance line are rated down to 70Hz.

That's the $100,000 question! ;)

Have you heard the Signature series? :D
No No, and I refuse to! ;)

Hmm interesting point, so as Prozakk cleverly pointed it out, it's actually better to have a bookshelf speaker as a center when listening off-axis.

Anyone have some experiences to share about a Studio 20 V3 as a center channel? Since a Studio 20 is smaller then CC-470, how does it go?

Anyone have some experiences to share about a Studio 20 V3 as a center channel? Since a Studio 20 is smaller then CC-470, how does it go?

Nope but I found that a Studio 20 v2 was a great improvement on a Studio CC. That was temporary until I got the third Studio 60.

Kal

No No, and I refuse to! ;)

I didn't want to listen to the Sigs either. Went to my Paradigm dealer intending to listen to V.4 Monitors but he didn't have them out. Instead he had me listen to a pair of S4's. I was afraid to listen since I thought listening to anything else afterwards would disappoint me. However, I'll just take the listening experience (which had me smiling ear to ear) as having listened to a really great speaker and trying to get as close as that within my budget in the future.

with those dimensions i would look into a large sub velodyne or paradigm with a 15 inch woofer. close to my space i had to take back the 12 get the 15 vel to fill the space won't to feel the explosions not just hear them.
I guest that the post was a reply to mine…

Thanks for the input man, now I’m wondering, a 15 woofer!? It seems kinda big, remember I don’t want to disturb the neighbours too much, since my living room space is about 12’ X 14’, I won’t sit far away from the sub. Maybe there is something that I don’t understand. The thing is that I don’t want to spend $1200 on a sub, and use it up only to $600 worth of sound because of the neighbours, you know... but since I’ll be at the basement level, will they be much affected?

Also, should I go with a Paradigm sub? In general, are they good value, or I would be better off with a more “sub specific” manufacturer? And witch one? Hehe…

srckmack, I'm curious...did you fill the J-29 stands with sand?

No, I did not fill the J-29's with sand or shot. I considered it, but the stands are already very sturdy and have pre-drilled holes and hardware for connecting to the speakers. While evaluating the ADP470's, I compared and even purchased (and since returned) some other speaker stands. None of them seemed nearly as stable as the J-29's. The stands are also out of any traffic patterns, so I'm not as concerned.

Hmm interesting point, so as Prozakk cleverly pointed it out, it's actually better to have a bookshelf speaker as a center when listening off-axis.

Anyone have some experiences to share about a Studio 20 V3 as a center channel? Since a Studio 20 is smaller then CC-470, how does it go?

How about experiences with a Mini-Monitor instead of a CC370 as a center channel?

jdg

How about experiences with a Mini-Monitor instead of a CC370 as a center channel?

jdg

Do you mean other than the one I previously posted in this thread?

I've got the Paradigm set-up below for all but my subwoofer, which I'm looking to upgrade for something under $1K. I welcome any suggestions for a complementary subwoofer at this price point and for a new AV Receiver (considering upper end Denons).

Front: Paradigm Reference Studio 60 V.3

Center: Paradigm CC470 V.3

Surrounds: Paradigm Reference SR15 (In ceiling)

Subwoofer: JBL PB10

AV Receiver: Onkyo TX DS 696 (100wpc)

DVD Player: Denon DVD 2900

Sony KDF 50 WE610 LCD Rear Projection TV

LG LSS 3200A DirecTV HD receiver.

I have a CC 570 and love it. I wouldn't scrimp on the CC and I'd avoid using a conventional speaker for a center. They don't have the same dispersion characteristics and are designed to sit upright, not on their sides. Plus the CC is timbre matched to my 60's which is very important. Blanket statements like CC's aren't any good or mini's make a good center are misleading. If you don't like the 100Hz cutoff of the 370 (I don't) get a bigger better CC.

No. horizontal speakers wont sound as good, as an equally sized bookshelf speaker. Off axis problems with the tweeter being in the middle of 2 mids is the problem.

Just turn it on its side... :D

I have a CC 570 and love it. I wouldn't scrimp on the CC and I'd avoid using a conventional speaker for a center. They don't have the same dispersion characteristics and are designed to sit upright, not on their sides. Plus the CC is timbre matched to my 60's which is very important. Blanket statements like CC's aren't any good or mini's make a good center are misleading. If you don't like the 100Hz cutoff of the 370 (I don't) get a bigger better CC.

Nothing beats 5 or 6 or 7 identical speakers.

I NEVER said to use a bookshelf on it's side. The wave guide on Paradigm speakers is designed to be mounted vertical for bookshelf, horizontal for CC.
Identical dispersing speakers, with identical drivers/enclosures are ideal.

CC's are made for the sole purpose of being near a screen, thus horizontal. It's not better sounding, it's mounting convenience.

The larger 470 & 570 doesn't match the timber of the Monitor series, thus would be a worse purchase.

Just turn it on its side... :D

Tweeter wave guides are speaker specific. Also a bad idea.

Horizontal speakers will have negative driver interaction.

srckkmack, Basically like you I laughed off the filling of the J29 stands like you, I said to myself, these are great stands and have a bit of weight in structural design, most for appeal. The black oval bases standing anchored to the black bases with the metal thread adjustable pin-point spikes for feet. These stands are extremenly stable. HERES A TIP...fill those J29 stands with playground sand, and at that point run you speaker cables through the stands tp the top of stands and ready to conect to the speakers terminals. Don't cheat yourself with the stands and how to properly use them. BTW I may br crazy however but after filling the j29 stands with playground sand from home Depot, they sounded more solid, maybe, no resonance, very solid and clear....but hey, I'm ADHD, so what do I know anyway :)

I bought Paradigm Signature speakers today.

S8, C5, ADP and Servo in piano black. It takes 2 business days to order so I will have them Monday or Tuesday. :)

I bought Paradigm Signature speakers today.

S8, C5, ADP and Servo in piano black. It takes 2 business days to order so I will have them Monday or Tuesday. :)

Great purchase! Please post your impressions once set up. What are you driving them with?

I bought Paradigm Signature speakers today.
S8, C5, ADP and Servo in piano black. It takes 2 business days to order so I will have them Monday or Tuesday. :)

I know it was all an adventure... (believe me... I know!) ;) but congrats!

You made a fine choice.

The larger 470 & 570 doesn't match the timber of the Monitor series, thus would be a worse purchase.

Perhaps being more clear about the system you are talking about would help. I recall that the original post indicated that the CC was not great and that minis were the way to go without mention of the Monitor series at all.

Great purchase! Please post your impressions once set up. What are you driving them with?

I will be temporarily driving them with a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi matched with the DV79AVi. Unfortunately they are not available in Canada yet so I will have to wait 5weeks for the receiver and roughly 8weeks for the DVD player.

If I notice the receiver lacking in power I will use it as a preamp and push the speakers with the Anthem Statement P5 power amp.

I am going to wait for the Anthem D2 pre/pro and sell the receiver on eBay.

I know it was all an adventure... (believe me... I know!) ;) but congrats!

You made a fine choice.

HAHA!

To say it was an adventure is a HUGE understatement.

Thanks again for all your help man. :D

Perhaps being more clear about the system you are talking about would help. I recall that the original post indicated that the CC was not great and that minis were the way to go without mention of the Monitor series at all.

I was referring to using Minis with Monitor series. I assumed one would catch that.

Use a bookshelf speaker within the series of your other speakers. ;)

I will be temporarily driving them with a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi matched with the DV79AVi. Unfortunately they are not available in Canada yet so I will have to wait 5weeks for the receiver and roughly 8weeks for the DVD player.

If I notice the receiver lacking in power I will use it as a preamp and push the speakers with the Anthem Statement P5 power amp.

I am going to wait for the Anthem D2 pre/pro and sell the receiver on eBay.

Nice :)

My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears. (Actually, the 60s arrive next week, and in the interim I've been using the 20s as fronts.)

Questions:

How should I position the 20s as rears? Should I put them in the corners at 45 degree angles from the listening position? Ear level on stands?

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.

My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears.

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.

I'm looking forward to the responses you get on a subwoofer as I've got practically the same set-up and had also sought suggestions on a subwoofer for $1k or less.

My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears. (Actually, the 60s arrive next week, and in the interim I've been using the 20s as fronts.)

Questions:

How should I position the 20s as rears? Should I put them in the corners at 45 degree angles from the listening position? Ear level on stands?

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.

1) Yes
2) Yes
3) Elevated, angled down, pointing toward sweet spot. If not capable, then yes (ear level on stands)
4) Define mid-priced with an actual dollar amount.

Hey deafgoose...Welcome to the club ;) I love me SIG/ARCAM combo, couldn't be any happier....well, maybe, I could hope for a larger audio room when we move :p

Hello all
I picked up a CC-350 Or 370 on ebay a while back. seller was not sure what speaker it was & the sticker was missing off of the back . The tweeter is centered in the speaker nor raised like the newer 370's . I am always struggling with the dialog to low (even when I run the auto set up from my denon 3805) Will a newer 370 be much better than my speaker what ever it is & is there a way to find out what mine is ?
Thanks ~

Try a Google image search.

Newer CC's are tuned even higher.

Prozakk:

I'm thinking of a sub around $1k. I'm not afraid of buying used or via the internet to save money (this is a second system).

How would a google search help me ? Dont the CC-350 & 370 look alike & how hould I know if it was a v.1- v.4 ?

My 5.1 system is coming together, slowly. I'm using Studio 60s (v3) as fronts, a CC470, and Studio 20s (v3) as the rears. (Actually, the 60s arrive next week, and in the interim I've been using the 20s as fronts.)

Questions:

How should I position the 20s as rears? Should I put them in the corners at 45 degree angles from the listening position? Ear level on stands?

Also, can someone suggest a mid-priced sub to go with my system?

Everything is being driven by my Arcam AVR300. Sources are the DVD3910, HD cable, and a Squeezebox2 for my PC music collection.

I have the exact same setup. The 20's are your surrounds and as such should be placed to the sides of the listening area. My couch is against the rear wall and the 20's are on the J-29 stands to the right (6' away in the corner) and to the left (6' away near a table), very slightly behind the listener and angled slightly ahead of the main listening position.

Haven't shopped for subs lately, so can't help you there.

Nice setup!

How would a google search help me ? Dont the CC-350 & 370 look alike & how hould I know if it was a v.1- v.4 ?

I did the search:

350 has a hole above & below the tweeter to hold the grill on.

370 v.1 has a hole above the tweeter.

370 v.2 has no holes above or below.

370 v.3 adds bullet shaped mid dust covers, & the tweet is in the top middle between mids, not just centered.

370 v.4 has a grey face, unlike all the previous models black face.

...............and that's how it helped.

Prozakk:

I'm thinking of a sub around $1k. I'm not afraid of buying used or via the internet to save money (this is a second system).

For a bit more you could get SVS PB12 Plus/2.

If $1k is the absolute max, SVS has other options. Also, the Paradigm PW2200 is pretty good, but placement can be rather tricky.

For used subs check: http://buy.audiogon.com/cgia/fsb.pl?homesubw&1&ctg&st1

Thanks Prozakk !!
So it looks like I have a CC-350 . Will there be a major inprovement if I upgrade to a CC-370 v.4
Thanks

How big of a sub do you need? I just listed a Velodyne HGS 10 on fleabay. Just had the amp replaced by Velodyne...

370 v.4 has a grey face, unlike all the previous models black face.


My CC-370 V4 has a Black Face, I beleive it's availiable in both Brushed Platinum and Black Graphite. I have heard, but cannot confirm, that the difference between v3 and v4 is the crossover.


Thanks Yung, nice link :)

For those who reside in Canada and have a Servo-15, what would be a good deal for one? I'm looking at selling a PW-2100 and going to the Servo. With the PW-2100 I was able to get 24% off, think this is doable with the Servo?

My CC-370 V4 has a Black Face, I beleive it's availiable in both Brushed Platinum and Black Graphite. I have heard, but cannot confirm, that the difference between v3 and v4 is the crossover.

Paradigm improved the cross-over on the V.4. Here is a blurb from the HT Mag about the V.4 Monitor Series:
Paradigm Monitor v.4 Series
The Monitor Series speakers originally surfaced eight years ago, and Paradigm has revised them a number of times. These fourth-generation models feature upgraded crossover parts and tweeters that Paradigm deployed in their more-expensive Studio Series speakers. The other and more-visible change to the Monitor Series is a snazzy, brushed-platinum finish that complements the styling of current flat-screen TVs. Rosenut, light cherry, and black ash vinyl-wrap finishes are also available. The Monitor Series features four towers, three bookshelf models, a center speaker, and surround speakers.

http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/405hk/

Thanks Prozakk !!
So it looks like I have a CC-350 . Will there be a major inprovement if I upgrade to a CC-370 v.4
Thanks

No. It's tuned higher. 100 instead of 70hz.

So if its not worth upgrading -is there anything I should try to get better dialog from my CC-350 . Quiet seen are hard to hear ,I have the speaker on a small angle pointing down towards the listining area .

Mini Monitor.

If I used a MM would it be installed on its side, if it was in the middle of the tv the tweeter would not be centered & it would be to tall to stand upright ??

gregeas,

I'm doing an entire Paradigm Studio setup - 20's front and rear, 570 center and 470s on the sides. For my sub, I'm getting the the HSU Research VTF-3. It's about $750 out the door. 12", 350 Watts and clean down to 20Hz :D

HSU VTF-3 MK2 (http://www.hsustore.com/vtf3.html)

I'm putting this in a 15 x 17 x 9 room and it should fill it pretty well.

-- NOTE: SVS makes a comparable model - PB12 Plus for about $950 out the door if HSU is not your cup of tea.

SVS Sub PB12 Plus (http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pb12_plus.htm)

Steve

If I used a MM would it be installed on its side, if it was in the middle of the tv the tweeter would not be centered & it would be to tall to stand upright ??


As I've mentioned above, side mounting is NOT a good idea, due to tweeter's wave guide.

Would a Studio center be a huge inprovement from a CC-350 Even if I found a used v.2

OK so hears a question for yaz ~
Has anyone modifyed a CC-350 with a new tweeter from the studio line for better dialog ?
Most of the dialog comes from the tweeter correct and if I set the denon to small center it will send the lows to the sub . Has anyone tryed this ???

Don't mix Monitors & Studios.

Dialog comes from the midrange.

anyone see the new little sig's at cedia?

anyone see the new little sig's at cedia?

There was a post on it yesterday.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=579641&highlight=S1

I'm seriously thinking of adding rears to complete a 7.1 setup. I have Studio Reference V3's all around with 60's for fronts, CC 570 center and ADP 470's for surrounds. I was thinking of possibly going with Studio 20's or two more ADP 470's for rears. I'm even contemplating saving some cash and buying some decent but less pricey Athenas for the rears. Any thoughts on these options? My room is 12' X 17' X 8'. Two rows of seating with approximately 3-4 feet behind the last row.

Definitely avoid getting a different brand as long as you already have 5 that are timbre matched. There's no reason to compromise as long as you have a great system already. Can you audition each of those in your room and see which you like better? I think in general, the further the speakers are from you, the more it might favor directs, but 3-4 ft is relatively close (though typical).

I'm still trying to decide the exact same thing, though you're a bit ahead of me in what you've already purchased for your system thus far. Let us know what you decide..

Its time for me to ask opinions on my Paradigm setup. I have 4 LCR-450s and 2 ADP-450s. I use 2 LCRs in front, 2 LCRs in the rear and the 2 ADPs as surrounds. I also have a Studio CC V.2 I use as a center. I find that the Studio CC V.2 is a little too bright , harsh or even shreeky in the center. I have tried an LCR in the center but I find it lacking something. Though it works out well to have 3 LCRs in the front, I find the center dialog not as good as it could be. It sits sideways on top of my 46" rear screen CRT and so did the the CC. I even tried them standing up. I am thinking of the CC 470 or even the CC 570. I think the center speaker is the most important of them all and don't really want to change the others. Thoughts anyone.

Definitely avoid getting a different brand as long as you already have 5 that are timbre matched. There's no reason to compromise as long as you have a great system already. Can you audition each of those in your room and see which you like better? I think in general, the further the speakers are from you, the more it might favor directs, but 3-4 ft is relatively close (though typical).

I'm still trying to decide the exact same thing, though you're a bit ahead of me in what you've already purchased for your system thus far. Let us know what you decide..

I might be able to convince my local dealer to loan me some to demo in my room. They are very good to work with and let me demo my sub (PW2200) at home (note, I was shopping for a Servo 15 but they insisted I try the 2200 to save me some money!)

I realize the benefits of timbre matching but my understanding was that this might not be such a big issue with rears which don't get a lot of use anyway. In fact, when the wife was away I moved my old Paradigm Performance Series Mark V's (about 15 years old but with new drivers installed last year) down in my theater for rears and it actually sounded pretty good. That is what got me thinking about Athena's, which are likely half the price of the Studio 20's but designed from the same data that Paradigm uses (NRC Canada) , as a possible substitute for the more expensive options.

It may be some time before I scrape together enough cash for the 7.1 setup (I'm actually very very pleased already with the results of this 5.1 setup so more of a good thing I guess). I still have to buy GOM to cover my acoustical treatments on my walls... but that is another story. ;)

I still have to buy GOM to cover my acoustical treatments on my walls... but that is another story. ;)

outlier2,

How did you get that past the WAF? Mine would never go for that :rolleyes:

Steve

Would a Studio center be a huge inprovement from a CC-350 Even if I found a used v.2


I went form the 350 to the 570 and there was a MAJOR difference.

outlier2,

How did you get that past the WAF? Mine would never go for that :rolleyes:

Steve

StevesTivo,

She is a very understanding woman. She considers the theater to be my room and I can basically do what I want with it. She enjoys it but mostly shakes her head at some of the things I've done. The 1000lbs of sand in the stage may have been the most interesting reaction...

StevesTivo,
The 1000lbs of sand in the stage may have been the most interesting reaction...

Ah, details please. :)

Ok so would a Paradigm Reference Studio CC V.2 be a major inprovement over my CC-350 ?
I do plain to get a pair of 40's soon & replace my MM.
If I found a used Paradigm Reference Studio CC v.2 what would be a fair used price ?
Thanks The 570 is to large to fit on my tv & $$$$

My stuff is...

Monitor 7 v3 for fronts
CC-370 v3 for center
Titans v3 for surrounds
SVS 25-31PC-Plus sub
Marantz SR-8400
Panasonic DVD-CP72
Comcast's Motorola HD Box
Sanyo PLV-Z1
Marantz 5200 remote

Love my setup. I kindda miss my STR-DA4ES though. The marantz leaves me wanting more..

Ok so would a Paradigm Reference Studio CC V.2 be a major inprovement over my CC-350 ?
I do plain to get a pair of 40's soon & replace my MM.
If I found a used Paradigm Reference Studio CC v.2 what would be a fair used price ?
Thanks The 570 is to large to fit on my tv & $$$$

Yes. Check Audiogon for average rates.

But if you get v.2's, get all v.2's (don't mix).

Wow....this threads getting some good press :D I never imagined it would go this long and far. Makes me feel a bit proud to be a Paradigm owner :D

Wow....this threads getting some good press :D I never imagined it would go this long and far. Makes me feel a bit proud to be a Paradigm owner :D

Lots of Paradigm owners here. The SPOT's Paradigm section is pay only, so maybe a lot of people migrated here to AVS.

The SPOT's Paradigm section is pay only, so maybe a lot of people migrated here to AVS.

Pretty boy ****head finally went overboard in greed!

I am looking into a used pair of 40's is there a big diffrence in the v.2 & v.3 on the 40's ?I do notice the v.3 is front ported & the v.2 is in 2 in the rear How does this play out ?

Are 40's front ported and 20's rear ported? Would it be better to get 40's then if I wanted to push the speakers right against a wall?

Madcutter,

I know for sure the 20s are front ported. The 40s have a front port but not sure if there is one in the rear or not (never seen one in person). Not sure about mounting them to the wall, though. Hopefully the experts will ring in.

Steve

Where better to ask this question than the Paradigm owner thread :)

I have posted this question in a different thread here. What do you guys feel with regards to Paradigm 100s quality for 2 channel sit down listening? I am driving them with Sherbourn 7/2100 amp. Anyone getting a sweeter top end using any particular amp?

So I'm setting up my system this weekend with V3 60s as fronts, V3 CC470 as center, and V3 20s as rears.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have a sub yet. I'm assuming this won't make much of a difference with music, but what about movies? Also, should I set the receiver (Arcam AVR300) to amplify the CC470 and 20s as large or small speakers?

I would say set them all to large if you are not using a sub ~

Can anyone explain the diffrence in V.2 VS V.3 in the Studio 40's ?

So I'm setting up my system this weekend with V3 60s as fronts, V3 CC470 as center, and V3 20s as rears.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have a sub yet. I'm assuming this won't make much of a difference with music, but what about movies? Also, should I set the receiver (Arcam AVR300) to amplify the CC470 and 20s as large or small speakers?

That's basically the same set-up I've got, except that I'm using Paradigm Reference SR15's in-ceiling speakers instead of the 20's as rears. Anyway, I'm in the market for a new subwoofer, too, so let me know if you audition anything good. ;)

That's basically the same set-up I've got, except that I'm using Paradigm Reference SR15's in-ceiling speakers instead of the 20's as rears. Anyway, I'm in the market for a new subwoofer, too, so let me know if you audition anything good. ;)

What's your budget for the sub?

(Apologies from me for asking a different question during this giant thread)

I am expecting to purchase a couple of S2s to use as back speakers in a 7.1 set up. I want to mount them on a wall, without drilling into the speaker.

Does anyone have a recommended wall mount?

(I would ask whether the Arcam AVP700 + P1000 would make a good separate amp plan for a Signature surround setup (S8, C5, ADP, S2, Servo), but I don't want to hijack the thread!)

Cheers

S

What's your budget for the sub?
$500 to $1K. Can I get anything good for that "little?" I'd like to get the Paradigm Servo, but $1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :p

(Apologies from me for asking a different question during this giant thread)

I am expecting to purchase a couple of S2s to use as back speakers in a 7.1 set up. I want to mount them on a wall, without drilling into the speaker.

Does anyone have a recommended wall mount?



A shelf.

$1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :p

You have no idea what you're missing!

$500 to $1K. Can I get anything good for that "little?" I'd like to get the Paradigm Servo, but $1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :p

s2silber,

I know these are not Paradigm subs, but they are in your budget and both go to 20Hz or slightly below. Good tight bass on both.

Post 318 - Optional Subs (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6174211&&#post6174211)

Steve

$500 to $1K. Can I get anything good for that "little?" I'd like to get the Paradigm Servo, but $1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :p

Save your pennies there is a difference.

But, if you can't wait tons of folks on the forum love the SVS or HSU subs so you can get by with something in your price range.

$500 to $1K. Can I get anything good for that "little?" I'd like to get the Paradigm Servo, but $1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :pWhat size is your room? Mines is 15 x 20 and I'm quite happy with my HSU VTF-2.

If I were buying now though, I'd get the VTF-3, which wasn't out yet when I got mine, and I couldn't wait. It was well worth the $450 I spent though.
Check them out here. (http://www.hsuresearch.com/)

What size is your room? Mines is 15 x 20 and I'm quite happy with my HSU VTF-2.

If I were buying now though, I'd get the VTF-3, which wasn't out yet when I got mine, and I couldn't wait. It was well worth the $450 I spent though.
Check them out here. (http://www.hsuresearch.com/)

The size of the "dedicated listening area" is much like yours -- 21 (L) X 15 (W). I put it that way because, beyond a half wall divider on the lengthwise side, the space extends into the kitchen and then through a door into the dining room (don't know if all that makes any difference....)

The size of the "dedicated listening area" is much like yours -- 21 (L) X 15 (W). I put it that way because, beyond a half wall divider on the lengthwise side, the space extends into the kitchen and then through a door into the dining room (don't know if all that makes any difference....)It would be impossible for me to judge without seeing the room, but Hsu has a 30 day no questions ask, return policy. You do have to pay for shipping it back though.

SVS subs are also well liked, but I don't care for their shape. You can see them here. (http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pcplus.htm)

SVS subs are also well liked, but I don't care for their shape. You can see them here. (http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pcplus.htm)
SVS makes "normal" shaped subs too. I'm don't care for the "new" look myself -- but it's a personal preferece thing :p

SVS Sub (http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pb12_plus.htm)

Steve

SVS makes "normal" shaped subs too. I'm don't care for the "new" look myself -- but it's a personal preferece thing :p

SVS Sub (http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pb12_plus.htm)

SteveI just was looking at that page!! :D

Can anyone explain the diffrence in V.2 VS V.3 in the Studio 40's ?

There's a difference in cabinet density, finish and I believe they upgraded the mid and tweeter. Not sure about the bass driver.
In my opinion the most noticable difference in sound is a top end "refinement" in the v3's. I think it makes it a worthy improvement over the v2's. The room they're in should play a part in determining what would be the best for you. An absorbtive or "dead" room might benefit from the forwardness of the v2's whereas a reflective or "lively" room might benefit from the v3's refinement and you can flip a coin for a neutral room. There's nothing "wrong" with either they're both exceptional for the money.

$500 to $1K. Can I get anything good for that "little?" I'd like to get the Paradigm Servo, but $1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :p

I've just gone from a Seismic 12 (which I'm going to sell by the way) to a DYI "Infinite Baffle" sub. For half the price of the Seismic or Servo I've now got the best bass I've ever heard. The diference is astounding, it affects the entire spectrum. If you've got an large enough area attached to your room that you can build an "IB" into you should seriously look into this option. I, for one, am overwhelmed by how good it sounds.

So I'm setting up my system this weekend with V3 60s as fronts, V3 CC470 as center, and V3 20s as rears.

As I mentioned earlier, I don't have a sub yet. I'm assuming this won't make much of a difference with music, but what about movies? Also, should I set the receiver (Arcam AVR300) to amplify the CC470 and 20s as large or small speakers?


Like s2, I have the same set-up but using SR15s for the surrounds.

Having a sub to me, makes a substantial difference. A sub better accommodates low frequencies that the 60s would not carry as well in music that I listen to. Don't get me wrong, music still sounds great, just better with a sub, IMO. ;)

$500 to $1K. Can I get anything good for that "little?" I'd like to get the Paradigm Servo, but $1,500 seems a little steep for just the low notes. :p

I think that $1500 is MSRP for v.1, v.2 is $2200. Yes, to some "just low notes", but to others an enhancement to the listening experience with a sub that can handle low notes without audible distortion at "loud/reference" levels (for music).

Like s2, I have the same set-up but using SR15s for the surrounds.

Having a sub to me, makes a substantial difference. A sub better accommodates low frequencies that the 60s would not carry as well in music that I listen to. Don't get me wrong, music still sounds great, just better with a sub, IMO. ;)
Do you have SA-15R's as surrounds? I have Studio 60's and the CC-470, and I'm looking for surrounds. I'm considering the SA-15R's in my 9' ceiling. How well do they work as surround speakers? Are they pretty easy to install, and do they come with all the mounting hardware you need?

Do you have SA-15R's as surrounds? I have Studio 60's and the CC-470, and I'm looking for surrounds. I'm considering the SA-15R's in my 9' ceiling. How well do they work as surround speakers? Are they pretty easy to install, and do they come with all the mounting hardware you need?

Yes, and you're correct, SA-15R (not sure why I listed what I did?).

I have never installed in ceiling/wall speakers before, so didn't want to experiment on my room, and I didn't have the tools (dry-wall saw, fish-rod are some excuses ;) ). Joking aside, and having seen the installers do it, I think I could have done it with a help of a buddy and the tools.

Yes, the speakers come with the needed brackets. Depending where your room is, it may be better to run the wires through the ceiling or the crawl space. In my case, the wire was ran through the crawl space and up the wall and across the ceiling to each speaker. This required only one hole to be cut (in addition to the two for the speakers).

I too have 9' ceilings, and so the speakers are roughly seven feet from my ears in the "money seat". This may not be ideal for surrounds, however, based on my room layout this was the best option - for me. I am happy with this decision as I didin't have the wall to mount on one side, I don't have to deal with anyone bumping into them and it freed up space. Equally important it meets my performance/need for surround speakers. I calibrated my speakers and set the rears slightly higher than the fronts. I think that this was more due to personal preference rather than the speakers being in-ceiling. When a friend and I were calibrating his speakers, we both preferred his bi-poles up a few dbs higher as well - again, I think this is just preference.

Finally, I think they work great for surrounds.

Do you have SA-15R's as surrounds? I have Studio 60's and the CC-470, and I'm looking for surrounds. I'm considering the SA-15R's in my 9' ceiling. How well do they work as surround speakers? Are they pretty easy to install, and do they come with all the mounting hardware you need?


My room is only 16.5 x 11 and I was using a pair of 20's ver.2 for my rears. While they were nice for surround music I didn't think I was getting very good surround for movies since they were so directional at the position and distance they were relegated to. So I put a pair of SA-15R's in my 9' high ceiling and it seems to be much better. Even though they're a mono-pole I do get more reflection off the side and back wall then before. They were pretty easy to install. Paradigm includes a cut-out template and instructions. My ceiling leads into the attic so wiring was a cinch for me.

One thing I didn't consider that I would have liked to try is this:
I went with an in-ceiling rear set-up because there was a door on one side and a built-in bookcase on the other wall where you would normally put the surround ADPs. When I was at Cedia I took a surround sound class from John Dahl of THX and an HT architectural design class taught by Tony Grimani of PMI. They both favored di-pole speakers even if you were ceiling mounting. Paradigm doesn't really make a di-pole in-wall so I'm wondering how well a pair of ADPs attached to the ceiling just behind the main seating would work over the flush mounted ceiling speakers in the rear? My ceiling's black so even though they would be external I think they would probably disappear visually. I might give it a try one day if I come across a used pair sometime.

kevin

So I put a pair of SA-15R's in my 9' high ceiling and it seems to be much better. Even though they're a mono-pole I do get more reflection off the side and back wall then before. They were pretty easy to install. Paradigm includes a cut-out template and instructions. My ceiling leads into the attic so wiring was a cinch for me.

They both favored di-pole speakers even if you were ceiling mounting. Paradigm doesn't really make a di-pole in-wall so I'm wondering how well a pair of ADPs attached to the ceiling just behind the main seating would work over the flush mounted ceiling speakers in the rear? My ceiling's black so even though they would be external I think they would probably disappear visually. I might give it a try one day if I come across a used pair sometime.

kevin

What attracted me to the SR15's was the unique manner in which they disperse the sound -- sort of a hybrid between di-pole and mono-pole. Anyway, I also have them about seven feet diagonally from my main listening position and I couldn't be happier with the acoustics, listening experience for both movies and surround music and overall sound quality. I had a set of Klipsch's on stands before, and besides being physically in the way and upsetting my wife's sense of room decor, they were just too forward and "in your face" for surrounds. The SR15's pipe in just fine when those planes fly overhead in movies, and also create just the right concert ambience whether I'm listening to SACD or DVD-Audio multichannel music, or the crowd noise at a sports event being broadcast in Dolby Digital 5.1.

What attracted me to the SR15's was the unique manner in which they disperse the sound -- sort of a hybrid between di-pole and mono-pole. Anyway, I also have them about seven feet diagonally from my main listening position and I couldn't be happier with the acoustics, listening experience for both movies and surround music and overall sound quality. I had a set of Klipsch's on stands before, and besides being physically in the way and upsetting my wife's sense of room decor, they were just too forward and "in your face" for surrounds. The SR15's pipe in just fine when those planes fly overhead in movies, and also create just the right concert ambience whether I'm listening to SACD or DVD-Audio multichannel music, or the crowd noise at a sports event being broadcast in Dolby Digital 5.1.

Your set-up and experiences mirror my own. I know I'm happier with the SR15's when listening to surround SACD's then I would be with the ADP's. I'd still like to experiment with attaching ADP's to the ceiling even knowing it would probably be overkill running 7.1 for movies in my current room set-up. I could then turn the ADP's off when listening to music. Maybe one day. But then again, maybe not.

kevin

I'm a total newbie here after reading all weekend. I need a little help. Today I scored a mint pair of studio 100 v2s. I realize that I need to get an appropriate pre/pro and amp to drive these babies but for now I have hooked them up to my Yamaha RX-540. The specs on this say it delivers 80W from 20Hz to 20 KHz with 0.06% THD at 8 ohms. At what point should I worry about damaging these speaker with this unit until I get something better?

I'm looking at adding a 470 or a 570 CC. I'm using Triad Omni gold in-ceiling speakers for my surrounds. Any thoughts about this?

I realize that answering newbie questions gets old. I will be grateful for any time ya'll can offer.

BTW, these speakers are just outstanding compared to anything I've ever owned, or maybe even heard. I'm starting to understand why someone would spend so much money on a sound system. I'm really enjoying listening to music that I've never heard this way before.

Thanks

I'm a total newbie here after reading all weekend. I need a little help. Today I scored a mint pair of studio 100 v2s. I realize that I need to get an appropriate pre/pro and amp to drive these babies but for now I have hooked them up to my Yamaha RX-540. The specs on this say it delivers 80W from 20Hz to 20 KHz with 0.06% THD at 8 ohms. At what point should I worry about damaging these speaker with this unit until I get something better?

Thanks

The 100's can handle a lot of power and play clean. If you hear any kind of distortion, that's probably your amp clipping. I'd say never crank up your reciever all the way even though the 100's will invite you to, if you leave room for your receiver to handle dynamic peaks you'll be fine.

Hello all I am looking to upgrade to Studio 40's Can someone explain the diffrence in V.2- V.3 ? I see the V.2 are rear ported with 2 ports & the V.3 is one front port .
Please help Thanks ~

Hello all I am looking to upgrade to Studio 40's Can someone explain the diffrence in V.2- V.3 ? I see the V.2 are rear ported with 2 ports & the V.3 is one front port .
Please help Thanks ~
- Kal Rubinson wrote a great review on the Studio 60 v.3 which lists the difference between the v.3 and v.2. The Studio 40 is virtually identical but doesn't have the lower end that the Studio 60 does.

http://stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1204paradigm/

I'm a total newbie here after reading all weekend. I need a little help. Today I scored a mint pair of studio 100 v2s. I realize that I need to get an appropriate pre/pro and amp to drive these babies but for now I have hooked them up to my Yamaha RX-540. The specs on this say it delivers 80W from 20Hz to 20 KHz with 0.06% THD at 8 ohms. At what point should I worry about damaging these speaker with this unit until I get something better?

I'm looking at adding a 470 or a 570 CC. I'm using Triad Omni gold in-ceiling speakers for my surrounds. Any thoughts about this?

I realize that answering newbie questions gets old. I will be grateful for any time ya'll can offer.

BTW, these speakers are just outstanding compared to anything I've ever owned, or maybe even heard. I'm starting to understand why someone would spend so much money on a sound system. I'm really enjoying listening to music that I've never heard this way before.

Thanks

Too little power can be more damaging than too much (to a point). I wouldn't crank it until you get an amp on them.

As far as your center channel, why not get a v.2? It would come closer to matching your main l/r speakers than a v.3 center.

Triad Omni? Never heard of them. If they blend well, keep them.

Thanks ya'll. I ordered a CC-570 v3 today. Only the tweeter will vary in tone. It should be OK according to the tech at Paradigm. A v2 would be better but I couldn't find a used one and I'll get this one at cost.

I also ordered an Anthem AVM30 today. I'll borrow a Rotel Amp for now. I was really interested in the outlaw 990/770 combo but all the experts I know ganged up on me and convinced me that Anthem was a lot more likely to be around in the future. I got a terrific deal on the AVM30. So far so good. I'm almost broke though. All these outstanding deals have got me just about in the poor house. Last year it was the plasma. This year it's the sound.

I love these speakers.

It should be OK according to the tech at Paradigm

Of couse, a sell was made.

yeppers

Finally ordered a CC470 to match my 20's!! I've been using my older 370 from my Mini Monitor setup for the past 6 months or so, but I finally managed to stash away enough pennies for the Studio CC. Unfortunately, my dealer only stocks them in black, and as I really wanted the cherry finish to match my 20s, I'm stuck waiting a week or two for it to show up. It's been a few days already and I'm already anxiously awaiting the phone call... "It's in!!"
Looking forward to posting impressions of the upgrade.
Waiting is never easy...

I also ordered an Anthem AVM30 today. I'll borrow a Rotel Amp for now. I was really interested in the outlaw 990/770 combo but all the experts I know ganged up on me and convinced me that Anthem was a lot more likely to be around in the future. I got a terrific deal on the AVM30. So far so good. I'm almost broke though. All these outstanding deals have got me just about in the poor house. Last year it was the plasma. This year it's the sound.

I love these speakers.

Keep your eye on the Anthem thread as a major up date should be coming out for the 30 in the next few months.

I know about the update. Do you think upgrading will be more expensive than waiting? I thought that the current model would be fully upgraded at that time.

I'm a total newbie here after reading all weekend. I need a little help. Today I scored a mint pair of studio 100 v2s. I realize that I need to get an appropriate pre/pro and amp to drive these babies but for now I have hooked them up to my Yamaha RX-540. The specs on this say it delivers 80W from 20Hz to 20 KHz with 0.06% THD at 8 ohms. At what point should I worry about damaging these speaker with this unit until I get something better?

Thanks

Make no mistake. You can and will blow (the tweeters at the very least) on the 100s with that or almost any receiver or amp if driven to clipping.
The problem is that no one can tell you what volume setting is safe due to the different nature of the volume pots in pre-amps, the output level and quality of your playback source, the recording level and quality of your software and the way they interact with whatever power amp you are using.
I'll give you an example.
My old setup was a Rotel RSX1055 receiver. Not a bad piece as far as receivers go and rated at 75w/pc. With that receiver I could turn the volume up to around 75 safely w/o any distortion or clipping. I then purchased an Aragon 8008 power amp rated at 200 w/pc and used the rotel as a pre-pro. With that setup I could still turn the vol to about 75 w/o distortion or clipping. Of course the sound was considerably better and louder but still safe. Then I changed CD players. My new CDP had a higher output than my previous and suddenly my safety limit was around 60-65 depending on the CD. I could run it at 65 with some CDs but only 60 with others.
I then eliminated the Rotel and went to a 2ch Acurus preamp along with the Aragon amp. Now I can only put volume up to just over half with most CDs. The sound at that setting is huge. If I left it at the limit and changed CDs I run the risk of a blowup if the next CD is recorded at a higher level or poorly recorded.
So in my humble opinion you can only find the safe limit yourself. If the sound is good, clear and undistorted at a level and then sounds strained and/or compressed and/or distorted with a volume setting increase you are reaching the beginning of clipping. This holds true with any sys no matter how cheap or expensive and will be a different setting on every sys.
Do not make the mistake of finding the limit and the changing CDs or sources w/o first reducing the volume unless you know the level of the next source or CD is lower. I gurantee you that if you get in the habit of leaving the vol at the limit and changing CDs you will eventually blow your spreakers no matter what brand or size and no matter what equipment you are using to drive those speakers.
Steve

Thank you Steve.

Hello again~
So I will be upgrading my Paradigm Mini Monitors V.1 to Studio 40's soon!
I am looking@ 2 pairs of used 40's One V.2 and one v.3 There is a $200 difrence in the v.2 & v.3
should I try & scrape up the extra $200 for the v.3 s? I think the 40's V.2 should blow away my Mini Monitors so do I need to go the extra cost ?
Thanks for your trhoughts ~

Antman

Are you interested in selling Paradigm Mini Monitors? I have Paradigm Mini Monitors as front speakers and would like another set for the rear.

Thanks

Yes I will be selling them , send me a pm

I personally wouldn't spend an extra $200 to get v3s. I'd put that toward 60s if anything, but just get the 40 v2s.

I was looking into getting a pair of 60,s But the funiture we picked out is longer than we expected so the 40's will sit on the new Tv stand.

I have Performance Legend V3s for the mains, CC170 V3 for the center and Atom V3s for the surrounds. Driven by an Onkyo reciever supplied by spdif from a HTPC. Future plans for a Signiture setup in the basement HT (whenever I get off my lazy arse and finish off the basement :rolleyes: )

Best thing I ever did for soundstage and overall 2 ch quality was get rid of the big box TV sitting between the two of them (switched to a wall hung plasma behind them). It helped multi channel a bit, but it made a great difference in 2 ch audio.

-Suntan

I talked to local paradigm dealer. Told him I have studio reference speakers up front for new dedicated theater. Wanted info on adp-170. He said that he thought the cinema adp speakers were Better (and less expensive)

Does anyone have any opinion on matter. Is there a better fit for my fronts?

Thanks

Steve

I currently have the Cinema ADPs. I haven't heard the ADP-170s, but I do like my Cinemas. I'm sure the 170s probably sound a little better, but since I live in an apartment, there's no reason for me to get something better. At roughly $200/pr (depending on where they are purchased), they would be a solid purchase if you were trying to save a little money. I'm sure the difference isn't drastic, so in the end, it's your call whether the extra cash is worth it.

I've been wondering why my B&W N804s don't image better, and I recently read on the B&W website that objects placed between the speakers can have a major adverse effect. Due the restraints of NYC apartment living, all of my audio components plus my plasma display are stored inside a 6'x4'x2' (HxWxD) oak armoire. The speakers are placed 3-4 feet on either side of the armoire. Otherwise the room is pretty well treated with carpet and soft furniture, and the listening position is dead center in a triangle from the speakers. I assume the armoire is the culprit here...

I ask on this thread because this weekend I'm setting up a second system with Studio 60s . Guess what: between them will reside a monolithic (and inherited) Sony RPTV... Damn. Maybe I should dump the TV and install a projector in this room. In this case I only have about three feet between the TV and the side walls, and the 60s will be slotted in those spaces.

Does anyone know where I can look for more information about the effect placing objects between speakers? This is frustrating...

Maybe I should dump the TV and install a projector in this room. In this case I only have about three feet between the TV and the side walls, and the 60s will be slotted in those spaces. ...

I'll say this having gone from RPTV to FP.
If you get a good CRT or quality digital minimum 1280X720 resolution FP there is no going back to RPTV. Its that much better IMO.

I've been wondering why my B&W N804s don't image better, and I recently read on the B&W website that objects placed between the speakers can have a major adverse effect. Due the restraints of NYC apartment living, all of my audio components plus my plasma display are stored inside a 6'x4'x2' (HxWxD) oak armoire. The speakers are placed 3-4 feet on either side of the armoire. Otherwise the room is pretty well treated with carpet and soft furniture, and the listening position is dead center in a triangle from the speakers. I assume the armoire is the culprit here...

I ask on this thread because this weekend I'm setting up a second system with Studio 60s . Guess what: between them will reside a monolithic (and inherited) Sony RPTV... Damn. Maybe I should dump the TV and install a projector in this room. In this case I only have about three feet between the TV and the side walls, and the 60s will be slotted in those spaces.

Does anyone know where I can look for more information about the effect placing objects between speakers? This is frustrating...

You can do one of these three things:
1. Get rid of the big TV and replace it with a flat screen on the wall or an FP.
2. Move your speakers several feet forward of the TV.
3. Live with it.

Kal (who went with 1 but would love to hear of additional options)

I currently have 20's v.3 and a cc470 v.3 up front with minis in the rear, a HSU VTF-2, and a Marantz 8400. This setup is used for 100% movies. I'm currently finishing a new room which will be 24x11.5. Would I be better off replacing the mini's with either 20's or ADP 470's, or move the 20's to the rear and go with Studio 40's maybe 60's?

Thanks

marroz:

I have a similar set-up to yours. I replaced my up-front 20's with 40's and moved the 20's to the sides. I was disappointed with the lack of real change.

I replaced the 20's with 470's, moved the 20's back to the front and moved the 40's into another room. Much better!

You're getting your bass from your sub so replacing the 20's with 40's won't do much.

The 40's are great for two channel audio without a sub.

Agreed. And the 470s will disperse the surround effects better as well.

I wanted to get some detailed info on the 470s from you guys that actually own a pair.

1) What is the width of the front of the unit (the flat part not covered with speaker grill). I'm trying to figure out the angle of the sides for the tweet angles

2) I noticed that this speaker has top and bottom grills (see below). Are there ports under these or are the grills just there for cosmetic reasons? Are they removable? Is the surface smooth underneath? I'm asking because I' thinking of putting these speakers in a column (3 sides covered with GOM). If it has ports on the top/bottom, this will change things a bit.

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/pics/paradigm_studio_adp470.jpg

Thanks,

Steve

Steve, the top and bottom of the ADP is solid -- they're not grilles. There are no drivers or ports on the top or bottom of the speaker. You can safely put it wherever you want in the column, and just leave minimum obstructions (e.g. column bracing) to the sides and front.

I'm not sure the width of the front, but I think it's somewhere between 9-10 inches.

Tim,

Thanks for the feedback. The pictures are deceiving.

Steve

Monitor 7 v4
Performance CC-70

I have a 6.1 system, and plannig to replace my surround speakers with ADP.
How shuold I place the rear center ? of the center since the are different for left and right side ? Anybody with ideas ?

Do you guys know if the Atoms and Titans have threaded inserts in the back that can be used for wall or ceiling mounts? I'm considering them for surrounds, mounted on the ceiling with some Omnimount 20.0 ceiling mounts.

I'm still kind of going back and forth between ceiling mounted surrounds or in-ceiling surrounds like the SA-15Rs. I might just try ceiling mounted ones first, and if I'm not happy with them I'll take the plunge and cut some holes in the ceiling for the SA-15Rs.

Monitor 7 v.3
CC370
ADP-370 rear surrounds
Old, powered Kenwood sub
Harmon Kardon DPR-2005

I currently have the above setup (5.1) and would like to go 7.1 now. However, I'm not sure what to use for the side and rear surrounds.

Is it better to have the ADP-370s on the side or rear? Or should I have 2 pairs, 1 for the side, and 1 for the rear? What about Mini's as the true rear and the ADPs on the side?

Thanks!

99RedSi :

Where is your seating area in relation to the back wall? If it's close, I'd go with another pair of ADP 370's. If it's more than 7 or 8 feet you could go with good little speakers like Atoms in the back and save quite a bit of money.

I have Monitor 5's up front, with a CC-370 in the center. I'm using a pair of ADP-170's on the sides and Atoms in the rear. I use and SVS sub-woofer. I'm in a long skinny basment room and the rears are mounted on the back walls about 10 feet from my listening area.

The sound is terrific and you do feel totally enveloped.

I'm still kind of going back and forth between ceiling mounted surrounds or in-ceiling surrounds like the SA-15Rs. I might just try ceiling mounted ones first, and if I'm not happy with them I'll take the plunge and cut some holes in the ceiling for the SA-15Rs.
If this is for a surround sound environment, you don't want them on the ceiling in the first place, so get some wall mounts or shelves to put them on. A couple feet above your head on the side and/or rear is what you want, certainly not mounted in the ceiling straight down.

If this is for a surround sound environment, you don't want them on the ceiling in the first place, so get some wall mounts or shelves to put them on. A couple feet above your head on the side and/or rear is what you want, certainly not mounted in the ceiling straight down.
Unfortunately I can't mount them on the sides, I don't have a wall to the right of my couch as it opens to a dining area/kitchen. And the back wall is an exterior wall with windows, so there's really not a way to put them there. The wife refuses to go with anything floor-standing, so I'm stuck with the ceiling for surrounds. Not ideal, but it will have to do. Supposedly the Paradigm SA-15Rs are pretty good for diffusing sound, but I want to try the easier/less expensive solution of mounting some Atoms or Titans to the ceiling first.

The wife refuses to go with anything floor-standing, so I'm stuck with the ceiling for surrounds. Not ideal, but it will have to do. Supposedly the Paradigm SA-15Rs are pretty good for diffusing sound, but I want to try the easier/less expensive solution of mounting some Atoms or Titans to the ceiling first.
Fear not, redline65. The Paradigm SA-15Rs are far from a lesser-of-evils compromise. I was dealing with my own WAF issues and I bought them to replace a pair of Klipsch speakers on stands. I'm very, very pleased with them. They're not as hard-hitting as the Klipsch's but the surround effects and musicality are every bit as good, if not much better than those previous surrounds -- not to mention the tonal and timbre matching with my Studio 60s and CC 470 across the front. It's really all about the unique dispersal ability of these speakers, which is unlike any other in-ceiling system.

stevestevo...the front surface of the adp 470's measure (9) inches. the back side that is against the wall measures (13) inches. hope that helps.
jk

kzrsix ,

Thanks and now I can confirm for sure with my Visio drawings. I just needed to be sure the tweets were not not aiming directly at the wood in the corners of my columns. I'm all clear :)

Steve

Hello all ~
I am looking to upgrade my center speaker next from a CC-350 to either a Studio CC v2 - CC- 450
Can anyone supply dimensions of thees speakers , I am having truble finding the info since they are discontuied
My CC-350 is 7 1/16 X 22 1/8 X 9 1/2
Thanks

99RedSi :

Where is your seating area in relation to the back wall? If it's close, I'd go with another pair of ADP 370's. If it's more than 7 or 8 feet you could go with good little speakers like Atoms in the back and save quite a bit of money.

I have Monitor 5's up front, with a CC-370 in the center. I'm using a pair of ADP-170's on the sides and Atoms in the rear. I use and SVS sub-woofer. I'm in a long skinny basment room and the rears are mounted on the back walls about 10 feet from my listening area.

The sound is terrific and you do feel totally enveloped.

Well .. it's a decent side room .. almost 2 rooms combined into one.

Like this:

-------------------------
|SP1 ADP1 !
|TV/CC !
|SP2 ADP2 !
-------------------------

SP1 = Front Speaker
CC = Center
ADP = Side/Rear

The distance between the 2 "dashed" walls (and ADPs) is 13 feet.
The distance between SP1/SP2 and ADP1/ADP2 is 9.5 feet.
The distance between the wall behind SP1, SP2, and TV/CC AND the rear wall is 27.5 feet.

Now there is a heating pipe that runs along the ceiling, about 1 foot above and in front of ADP1 (and to the right of ADP2). I thought about hanging some small rears on that but I'm not sure if some mini-monitors or something equivalent would work behind the ADPs.

Thanks for taking the time to help me with this, I appreciate it!

antman27...the dims on the digm's is/are 22x11.5x8 inches for the studio cc v.2
jk

Do you guys know if the Atoms and Titans have threaded inserts in the back that can be used for wall or ceiling mounts? I'm considering them for surrounds, mounted on the ceiling with some Omnimount 20.0 ceiling mounts.
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Yes, both have screw holes for a mounting bracket. The holes are 60mm spaced. I have a pair of Atoms wall mounted using Paradigm Premier M-60 wall mounts. I think they were $25 - $30.

I don't think Premier makes ceiling mounts, but the Omnimounts are likely fine.

Thanks kzrsix , doed anyone know if the CC-450 is the same dimentions as the Studio CC ?
I do believe it is taller once you get into the CC-470 -9-1/16 x 23-1/2 x 12-7/8 in and the CC-470 is tnot trapozoidal like the CC or the CC450 Correct ?

Did the CC studio center replace the CC-450 or is it the other way around ?

the studio cc is an older model. The two larger cc's replaced the studios...

I see

not an owner as of right now but will have 100, 570, 20s v3 + MCA30 in what will most likely be the longest 2 weeks of my life!

Has anyone ever modyfied any paradigm speakers ? I was thinking of using my CC-350 cabinet & using studio driver, tweeter & crossover . The studio cabinet my be to large for my aplaction .
Any thoughts ?

Have the Studio 100's V3 and CC-570.......Would like to get the Sig 8's..........

Guys, what would be the ideal Paradigm speaker packages from this link for my room? The dimensions of my room is 18 feet x 13 feet. I had my eyes on the most basic Paradigm Monitor packages, but maybe that is overkill for my room?

Guys, what would be the ideal Paradigm speaker packages from this link for my room? The dimensions of my room is 18 feet x 13 feet. I had my eyes on the most basic Paradigm Monitor packages, but maybe that is overkill for my room?

Sig 8s or nothing. No such thing as overkill just turn the volume down. :D

Seriously, get the best speakers your budget will allow.

Sig 8s or nothing. No such thing as overkill just turn the volume down. :D

Seriously, get the best speakers your budget will allow.

HAHA! I love you're style. Go big or go home! :)

HAHA! I love you're style. Go big or go home! :)
...says the guy with S8s... Not everyone has $15K to blow on speakers.. :rolleyes: :( ;)

Sgt_Strider its never overkill !!!
I have been playing the Upgrading game from day one
Cinemas to atoms to mini monitors & now 40's
Hey what the $$$ lets ya get

I just got back from my first attempt at ordering my Paradigm Signatures. I was going to order 2 S4s, 1 C3 and 4 ADPs along with a Velodyne DD12. The dealer already has a $500 deposit from me for a Pioneer 1130.

I had read through every post on the forum about pricing of the Signatures and had targeted a discout of 15%. I had targeted a discount of 25% for the Velodyne. Well to make a long story short, I was offered 8% MAX off MSRP so I walked.

You would think that plunking down $20K for equipment would get you something more than 8% off MSRP. I am going to visit the other "local" Paradigm dealer later this week and order the Velodyne from a custom installer for 27% off MSRP.

I guess the equipment biz must be pretty good these days.

FWIW - I was told that the S4s in Cherry are 6 weeks out.

John

Good decision, John. You can definitely get 15% if you look around even a little bit. Perhaps enough customers walking away from a big sale like that will get them to relearn supply and demand..

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I know I cant buy Signatures "online" but.....

Can Authorized Paradigm Signature dealers ship (or drop ship) the speakers to me?

John

I know I cant buy Signatures "online" but.....

Can Authorized Paradigm Signature dealers ship (or drop ship) the speakers to me?

John

My dealer delivers within a few hundred kilometers but not beyond that.

I know I cant buy Signatures "online" but.....

Can Authorized Paradigm Signature dealers ship (or drop ship) the speakers to me?

John

Actually, you can get the Sigs online, but only this finish and only from from this place:

http://www.northamptonaudio.com/Paradigm/paradigmhome.htm

John

One does need to be prepared to "walk-away" from the potential sale - especially when in search of an acceptable discount.

Unfortunately, if the want is high (i.e. "I need to have Paradigms"), and there is only 1 local retailer, then your options (i.e. "supply") is limited. Personally, when I'm dropping that amount of change, I'd like to get the product from a local authorized dealer. There is definitely a price benefit from on-line, but at some point customer service aspects should count for something...I suppose that's up to the individual.

My local dealer was not willing to budge - 5% and that's it! There will however, come to your home and spend the time that it takes to help you "tune" the system. We're all pros here so it's not needed right ;) , but to some, this may make up for the the lack of greater discounts.

...just thinking out loud...carry on fellas...

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Like I said before, my local dealer was giving me 20% off MSRP. I found another dealer 2hrs away that saved me an aditional $5,000. It was worth the trouble IMO. I was able to put the money I saved towards an Anthem P5 amp.

I don't see why I would need local support for speakers.

WOW! If my math is right thats 57% off MSRP!

no way!

There are very vital reasons to have local support.

If the local dealer is qualified, and if you are willing, the dealer should help voice the speakers into your room. If you are setting up a system of this caliber, it is highly recommended that a QUALIFIED dealer set things up for you. The placement of your speaker 1" from the proper position will alter the sound significantly.

Did your dealer audition and present the speakers for you? Did he visit your home and offer his advice??

This level of service is usually not billed to you. This is a value added service. The average rate of service these days is over $100.00 per hour (try paying less for having your washer/dryer repaired). A proper setup of speakers takes roughly 3hrs.

What about service? If you need repair or parts replacement, who do you go look for?

Many dealers who offer such big discounts eventually find out that they cannot sustain a business when margins are so low. I've seen many "new" dealers come in and out of business in this industry, thus stranding the consumer.

Of course, if your dealer is just a pain in the ass (I know those too), then of course, find another dealer! Find someone reputable. I'm sure that you'll receive a modest discount, and in return, a superior level of service and support.

Hi there.

I've just come into possession of a pair of Studio 100s (v1) that I fell in love with a few years ago but did not have the budget or space for in my home. I'm a novice listener, making my way into mid or hi-fi audio. I'm still determining what I like, but I appreciate the experience of good sound and now I have the room and these speakers which almost literally fell into my lap (a friend gave me a screaming deal on them). I hope this group is a good starting place for me.

I'm trying to determine the best matched receiver or integrated amp for these speakers and would like recommendations for what to audition (and any tips on auditioning well). My plan is to use these *primarily* as a superior 2-channel system for music listening at low to mid volumes in a fairly large (30'x15' room). So, I think I want a system that excels at 2 channel music now. Down the road I could see myself wanting to expand my experience with surround multi-channel music or possibly make this system the core of HT setup, so the ability to prioritize music today but not forclose these options tomorrow is my criteria.

My primary source is going to be mp3s and AACs (I've always tried to rip/acquire in the higest bitrate/non-lossy possible) which will be transported to the system via wireless network and then a separately powered mp3 decoder (I have the creative wireless music system, I also have my eye on the squeezebox since it's really a platform, seems to have much better internals and I like the way they are expanding things). I will use a SPDIF to bypass the unknown DAC and crappy RCA connections on the creative (I understand the squeezebox has a quality DAC in it by the way), so I will in fact need either a DAC or a two channel amp/integrated that has a digital in (not easy to come across).

My budget is about $2000 - I can spend all of none of that. I'm thinking I can divide it either by spending $1000-1500 and integrated amp (I'm open to buying used by the way) and maybe couple hundred in reserve for a quality used DAC, and tuner. Or, spend $1000-2000 on a receiver.

From what I've read, the arcom av300, the cambridge 540R and possibly something like the musichall mambo (intgrated amp) are candidates for my power source. I've decided that my first job is finding a quality amp at the core that matches my new paradigm 100s well - whether that comes in receiver or integrated amp form. Even though I've never purchased one, I'm not not intimidated to add a DAC or tuner later if I have the right core. Like I say above, I do want to purchase something that emphasizes a 2 channel paradigm music system today but can contribute to a multichannel music or maybe get moved to the HT a few years down the road.

A reminder - I'm kind of a "homer". I know what I like, but I don't have critical music listening experience. In my few trips to high end stores, I can 50% of the time be "fooled" by what equipment is more expensive or to hear a difference between various high end components, even when I bring music. God knows what I miss when I'm not paying such close attention at home. So, I'm wary of just throwing money at a problem. The one thing I have in my favor is I can be extremely patient and thorough about making sure I compare apples to apples at a store. I just realize I'm still novice enough that I just don't always appreciate the $10,000 apples like I know some others would. If that's the case, I don't want to spend it!

I'm willing to post my experiences as I put this together. Can any of you paradigm owners (or others?) make some recommendations on what to audition? Like I said above, tips on how to audition effectively are welcome too.

A repeat of my key issue/questions:

1- brands or models and power for the amp/receiver that match the paradigm 100s well?
2- how to decide between the receiver or integrated amp+DAC? can I get better bang for the buck with the latter? will I appreciate it?
3- make a selection that is 2 channel (probably biwire my speakers) today but can be expanded to 5 channel tomorrow.

Thanks in advance for any help. I've learned a lot by reading this forum so far and I'm looking forward to putting this together.

--Mark.

There are very vital reasons to have local support.

If the local dealer is qualified, and if you are willing, the dealer should help voice the speakers into your room. If you are setting up a system of this caliber, it is highly recommended that a QUALIFIED dealer set things up for you. The placement of your speaker 1" from the proper position will alter the sound significantly.

Did your dealer audition and present the speakers for you? Did he visit your home and offer his advice??

This level of service is usually not billed to you. This is a value added service. The average rate of service these days is over $100.00 per hour (try paying less for having your washer/dryer repaired). A proper setup of speakers takes roughly 3hrs.

What about service? If you need repair or parts replacement, who do you go look for?

Many dealers who offer such big discounts eventually find out that they cannot sustain a business when margins are so low. I've seen many "new" dealers come in and out of business in this industry, thus stranding the consumer.

Of course, if your dealer is just a pain in the ass (I know those too), then of course, find another dealer! Find someone reputable. I'm sure that you'll receive a modest discount, and in return, a superior level of service and support.

Well stated - exactly my point. Besides, not all of us can go to another dealer - even 2hours away.

Like I said before, my local dealer was giving me 20% off MSRP. I found another dealer 2hrs away that saved me an aditional $5,000. It was worth the trouble IMO. I was able to put the money I saved towards an Anthem P5 amp.

I don't see why I would need local support for speakers.

That's great that you received the substantial discount - well worth the 2hr drive, I would say. However, I believe that is not very common for authorized (Paradigm) dealers (assuming one does have the option of another dealer).

Well I just got back from my second attempt to purchase my Paradigm Signatures and DD12 sub. This time it went much better!

I called another dealer who is about an hour away from me. My first dealer (see yesterdays post) was a half hour away. When I called the new dealer today I told him right off that I had already heard the speakers and knew exactly what I wanted. I told him what I was looking for and asked if he was willing to discuss possible discounts off MSRP over the phone. His response was "it depends on what youre looking for". I told him my target discount was 15% off the Sigs and 25% off the DD12. I told him if that was possible, we had a deal. He said "fine". I drove down plunked down my deposit and now I wait for a couple weeks for everything but the S4s which are 6 weeks out.

I want to thank everyone in the forum who posted advice. Its truly appreciated.

My systeme so far:

Integra Research RDC 7.1 (Arrived yesterday-Beautiful, but thats all right now)
Gemstone 2 X 700 (On a UPS truck somewhere between my house and Illinois)
Paradigm Signatures (2 X S4, C3, 4 X ADP) - (You know the story)
Velodyne DD12 (You know the story)
Pioneer Pro-1130 (On order for 3+ weeks - Maybe next week)
Sony DVP-NS975V (Somewhere on a fedex truck near my house) This is a temporary component until the new Pioneer Elite is released in November.

Now its cable purchasing time!

WOW! If my math is right thats 57% off MSRP!

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Hey, small world...large internet. I purchased my signatures/ Arcam from igivesoundadvice1. One of the very best, IMO to deal with. In fact I was ready to purchase right away and he calmed me down and told me to think things over and offered many helpful and logical insights...Actually the first time I walked out of a store disappointed that I was talked out of buying something, I couldn't believe it! When I listened to his advice, I came away with the best system I've had to date. He offered as I mentioned in a post a while ago to come out to the house and setup the system as he described as above, all a part of the courteous service that I have received from him. He is a true credit to his profession, very honest and straight up guy to deal with. Yes, I did receive a discount, but more importantly was that I made a friend, and I'd buy again in a heartbeat if I needed more equipment. A very good introduction into Hi End gear, Thanks John.

Come to think of it, had I not met John, I would have never started this thread ;)

Consuegra:

If you're looking at an Arcam AVR 300, you may not need DACs. I use an AVR 250. I have a Benchmark DAC-1. I'm not convinced it adds much. I.e. I think the Arcam DACs are fine. I'm using Paradigm Studio 20s. Source is a Mac using iTunes with lossless compression, feeding SPDIF to the AVR 250.

If you really want to use a DAC, you'll probably need to spend on the order of $1K to get a DAC that would be significantly better than a good receiver. That leaves $1K for an integrated amp. There are certainly reasonable ones at that level, e.g. the NAD C372 that I have. However I'm not sure the DAC-1 + C372 is any better than the AVR 250 (unless you need more power), and the receiver is certainly more flexible. Using a DAC and amp you can certainly get more power than with an Arcam receiver (though other receivers may be higher power -- I don't have experience with other receivers so I can't comment). I'm sceptical about most people needing more than 100 watts per channel, but a number of people certainly think they do.

Wow. I noticed this thread when I popped over to the Speaker forum last night to get some ideas for our new 'pseudo-dedicated' HT.

I guess I hadn't thought about how aged my setup had become, but I have an (apparently v1) Monitor setup consisting of:

Mains: Monitor 9
Center: LCR-350
Surround: ADP-350
Sub: PW-2100

I've always been thrilled with the performance of my setup (even in less-than-ideal listening environments) and my ultimate "Holy cow, this sounds amazing!" experience was achieved while demoing some Studio (60's?) a few years ago at a local high-end shop... so I plan on sticking with Paradigm speakers when the time comes to upgrade.

Ideally, I'd like to switch to a full Studio setup eventually... but with recent construction costs and the pending costs of various other new gear, I was hoping to continue to use my existing speakers for a while longer.

So for the time being, I'm going to continue to use the 9's and LCR up front. However, I'm not quite sure what to do with the surrounds:

Sides - Due to the placement of one window, wall-mounting the ADP's in an appropriate position isn't going to be possible. Would it be a bad idea to mount them with their back affixed to the 'ceiling'? Or is horizontal mounting a bad idea for these speakers? If so, what about bracket mounting the ADP's? Or should I abandon the ADP's altogether and switch to some bracket-mounted Mini Monitors (see next question)?

Rears - The new room has space for a full 7.1 setup. I don't think matching my older-style, non-angled, dipole-only ADP-350's would work well for mounting on the back wall. Would 'current' (v4?) Monitors (Mini's, 3's, or ADP's) sound out of place with my older Monitors? Or should I look for some used v1 Minis?

Any suggestions/thoughts would be appreciated.

Haven't visited this forum in a while, and to my surprise, a dedicated Paradigm thread. Kudos!!!

I'm starting to think again about diving into a Paradigm system in the future, so I thought I'd start doing my research again. Due to WAF, I would like some info on an all in-wall system (except for the sub and CC).

Have any of you had experience using the SA-35's as the fronts, and use SA-25's as the sides and rears? Then for CC, the CC-570 (is this overkill, would a CC-470 due), and use a SVS PB12-Plus/2 as a sub, and ideally using the Anthem AVM-30 and Sherbourn 7/2100A to power the speakers? My room is about 20x25 (a "great room" with the family room opening up to the kitchen).

I'd like some opinions on the SA-35's for fronts and SA-25's as sides/rears, because as in-walls, you cannot take them home to demo for obvious reasons.

Thanks,

DtF

Consuegra:

If you're looking at an Arcam AVR 300, you may not need DACs. I use an AVR 250. I have a Benchmark DAC-1. I'm not convinced it adds much. I.e. I think the Arcam DACs are fine. I'm using Paradigm Studio 20s. Source is a Mac using iTunes with lossless compression, feeding SPDIF to the AVR 250.

If you really want to use a DAC, you'll probably need to spend on the order of $1K to get a DAC that would be significantly better than a good receiver. That leaves $1K for an integrated amp. There are certainly reasonable ones at that level, e.g. the NAD C372 that I have. However I'm not sure the DAC-1 + C372 is any better than the AVR 250 (unless you need more power), and the receiver is certainly more flexible. Using a DAC and amp you can certainly get more power than with an Arcam receiver (though other receivers may be higher power -- I don't have experience with other receivers so I can't comment). I'm sceptical about most people needing more than 100 watts per channel, but a number of people certainly think they do.


Thanks Hedrick. I'm coming to the same conclusion about a DAC. That is, pick the amp/receiver combo first then add things like a DAC in-line later if budget allows and it really proves to make a difference (which I can audition at home).

My problem is if I'm really going to focus on a quality 2-channel integrated amp, there are few that have digital ins to my knowledge. You have to go to the receiver line of most mfrs and what bugs me is that sicne this is a music system I have a feeling I'm paying for the bells and whistles of HT and multichannel now when a quality integrated amp would give me better quality for my budget and my 2-channel application, and let me expand later.

Or am I putting too much importance on the integrated vs. receiver distinction? My understanding is, as a rule, the integrated pieces of a given mfrs line will favor the higher quality design/components - they are not just 'receivers without tuners.'

Put another way, if you were building a 2 channel music system like me requiring a digital in and had a fixed budget, do you think you'd get more with an arcom receiver that includes the digital-in or with an arcom integrated + separate DAC for the same $$?

WRG, thanks for the kind words. Glad that I've gotten you "hooked!" Sounds like you're doing a fantastic job of setting up your system. Talk to you soon.

UPdate on my Paradigm Potpourri
I just upgraded my Mini Monitors V.1 To Studio 40 V.3
CC-350 (next to upgrade (lookin at a used CC-Studio)
Cinemas V.1 rears ( last to upgrade Not sure if I will go to ADPs My couch is against the back wall the speakers are mounted to & they are 7Ft high)
PDR8 sub
I am very hapy with the upgrade althow It did not blow me away . The 40s are much cleaner but I thought I would get much more lows . HUMM
I still have to play with the settings on my 3805 & run the auto set up again .
What should I set the crossover at 80 ?? I would think I should set the 40s to Large
the CC 350 large and the cinams to small .
I have not hade a chance to realy crank um since its a rainny day & the wife & Baby are home ( hope it clears up sunday so they go to the park )
Thanks for your thoughts ~

set to small and crossover to 70 and try it .

oztech you think the 40s should be set to small ?
The crossover in the 3805 is 40,60,80,100,120,Up to 220

Sig 8s or nothing. No such thing as overkill just turn the volume down. :D

Seriously, get the best speakers your budget will allow.

Are you serious? For a small room like mine, wouldn't there be a cutoff point in how much money I should spend on speakers? I was thinking of spending a max of 2000 on speakers..

Are you serious? For a small room like mine, wouldn't there be a cutoff point in how much money I should spend on speakers? I was thinking of spending a max of 2000 on speakers..

The only cut-off point should be how much you can afford to spend. Don't buy your speakers for your current room because one day you will move into a new house and maybe you will have more room and want better speakers.

Buy it all once and be done with it ;)

Spend money where it matters. Speakers and power amp is really the most important and with changes in technology they won't be effected the way preamps and dvd players will.

Just my 2cents.

Are you serious? For a small room like mine, wouldn't there be a cutoff point in how much money I should spend on speakers? I was thinking of spending a max of 2000 on speakers..

As I said in the second part of my reply, get the best speakers your budget will allow. If 2K is your limit, a pair of Studio 40s and 20 would fit the bill. Then save up again and pick up a cc470 and a small HSU or SVS sub, both for less than 1K.

deafgoose..Sorry I just don't get that kind of logic :confused: What about enjoying what he can afford today? In his room? I bought my Signatures based on my room today, though it is also small, money wasn't an issue with me. Buying more expensive and larger speakerss makes no sense to me based on an idea that some day I'd be moving to a larger house and/or room. I bought what would sound great to me in my room today. And yes, I too will be moving someday, and when that day comes I'll make the adjustment just fine, sell what I have and buy according to what I need then. But at least tody I can enjoy what I have in what the constraints the room size and acoustics allows me.

Deafgoose
Just get what you can afford that sounds good to you in your room. I just bought
4 S2 and C3 for the living room. I could have bought the S8 but room too small to let the speakers shine. So if 2K budget stick with it. You WILL replace them eventually.

I Just picked up 4 S2 and they do sound brighter in by room, but image better than 20 V3 or studio 100 V3

All speakers Driven by Sherbourne 2100 and Ref 50 via balanced cables. Bi wired

RJ

Hmmmm, where to begin??
This is going to be my first Home Theatre :p (very excited) for my new house. I was thinking about the SA-35 in walls along with the sa-15s (wife doesn't like tower speaks :mad: ) but as i have been reading post after post for the past few months i am beginning to think my room is quite to big for em. Attached is the room with dimensions they would be going in, along with some markings of make shift locations. Would i be better off just talking my wife into the Studio 100s, due to the size of the room. This will be for HT and Music, so i don't want something that would not be able to fill the room with quality sound. Also, would the SA-15s be sufficient for surround. Any info is greatly appreciated, i plan on staying here for a long, long time so i want to it right the first run around.

rjsquirrel, nice choice of speakers ;) Curious...did you give the ADP's a thought or were they unsuitable for your particular needs? I did not have the room in the rear for 2 more S2's so the ADP was they only viable option...and a great one at that for me in my particular setup and constraints.

I'm super pleased with the Signatures using the Arcam gear delivering to them. I get a very smooth mid range , maybe a little warm which is good for the sax/horns, the highs are super articulate an highly defining, bass is deep, tight and fast. I have them set almost perfectly with crossover and the EQ on the sub makes their interaction almost seamless with doing an accurate frequency sweep to set the EQ accurately...it really works folks ;) I assume that you are/or will be useing a sub for the lo-freq's..Mines setupwell and what a difference it makes when the disc is spinning. The ADPS are accurate but I haven't exactly found their sweetspots, and what makes them tick. I set them up using the different audio discs and though they image accurately, you can't help but look at them and know they have way more potential to tap into...


The C3 is a great center for using with the Neo 6 music mode, great vocals and seems like a very seamless integration across the fronts especially music, HT is OK, just not as well recorded as music.

I'm very pleased with Arcam gear with the Signatures, I bi-amp the fronts and setup the rest with an accurate Extech SLM using the Stereophile 4 test CD's ...very useful, especially for a full frequency sweep for setting up the subwoofer EQ... I use their fmj DV29 for DVD-a, and their highly acclaimed fmj CD33 for spinning discs....An excellent match IMO, and brings out what I think to be the very best in the Signatures....these signatures anyway. WOW, I've found my "Happy-Zone" I hope that from a bit of tweaking you'll benefit from what these speakers are capable of producing :)

Good Luck with yours! Great choice, keep me posted ;)

I'm thinking about using 4 of ADP-90 as my surrounds probably together with CC-90 subs.
Does anyone know MSRP for these speakers ?

Thanks,
Nick

i plan on staying here for a long, long time so i want to it right the first run around.

leave the left right side surrounds where they are but replace the rear center with two rear surrounds back in the kitchen to involve the whole room and a greater sense of space behind you. Another upside is that with some rcvrs you could switch the rears to play as a second zone and get music there while tv was up front.

I am looking to upgrade my CC-350 to a Used Studio center .
What would be the best choise a CC450 - LCR 450- or a CC Studio
And will there be a major diffrence in thees speakers from a CC-350
Thanks ~

I just ordered a pair of S2s and a C3 as well as an Arcam AVP 700. The Arcam has balanced outs and I understand the balanced cables are superior when you have a long run. But I don't know if it will benefit from balanced vs RCAs since the Rotel amp is only 8" away from it.

I do have long runs 15' to the speakers and am not convinced as to the benefits of bi-wired speaker cables vs the added cost. Do any you S2 owners out there have any thoughts on this?

mikeyc, great choice of gear. I've read some good threads about the AVP700, though I think some minor hdmi switching glitches that need a tweak. Very site specific info over at the Arcam forum AVF. they just hash out Arcam issues and different applications and qualities and minor shortfalls of each piece of gear...good recommendations from em. And some are over her as well in these posts. ;) Are you going with the J-29 stands with theS2s? If so load them up with good playground sand to solidify and change resonances associaated with different stands. The C3 is great when in sync whit the S2s, great using the Neo6 with your Arcam.

Do you plan on any rear speakers? Or just the S2,C3? and maybe a sub for future purchases? I do however bi-amp my fronts using the surround rear back channels and definitely can notice a difference from just being bi-wired previously...yea cables cost don't they, like a necesssary evil :cool:

Some of the guys over at the Arcam forum can answer questions based on their experience with the AVP700 and cabeling, check em out :)

wrg2: thanks for the tips, I'll check out the Arcam forum. Yes, I'm going with the J-29 stands. However, I've heard that after time the sand becomes rock hard due to the sonic vibrations and a better choice is kitty litter which doesn't change its consistency (or clump!). The guy who is selling the speakers to me is an ex Paradigm speaker designer and he highly recommends the C3s, says they're prolly the best centre channel that Paradigm makes.

Due to space constraints and a very low basement ceiling I've gone with Paradigm Ref In-ceiling speakers. I know, not my first choice but I gotta play the hand that I've been dealt.

I've also got a Velodyne DD12 on order, heard good things about it and esp like the ability to tune it to my difficult room and tailor my prefs eg, accurate, low distortion, tight bass for classical/jazz music vs slam and chest cavity pounding impact for action movies with lots of explosions.

So are you saying that your order of preference is: 1) Bi-amp, 2) Bi-wire, 3) Regular wiring?

Will regular bi-wire cable work for Bi-amping and will I need a separate amp for my rears then?

mikeyc, I'll keep that in mind about the sand solidifying, though the particular playground sand was so fine and filled every crevice, and I tamped each quanity carefully, in different stages, little by little. I can't see any physical change taking place within the stands themselves unless they weren't packed and tamped to fill every crevice or some kind of moisture compromises the overall volume of sand, and they are just in my home with a constant temp...but certainly you have arroused some questioning. In any event I'm definitely going to cleck the solidification of the sand and if any changes have created some acoustic anomalies

Perfectly honest filling them with the correct sand was a pain in the but, no to mention time comsuming. I certainly chose that over the lead shot and "cat-liter"

So far my results are fairly predictable, a more solid fell to the bass levels, tight and accurate, the mid and high freq all seem to have a very solid snap and definition about them, no echo, or reverberations or short reflections. Just solid music created by notes operating with in a constraint defined by the limitations emposed on them by the man made restrictions of playground sand. I thought about the "kitty litter" and though I'm sure it's an interesting effect on the overall sound, it would seem to me to be jus a bit more warm, maybe lacking in definition and resonance....I'm so into clear heart pounding sound razor edge articulation, clear articulate highs and mid deep tight bass.

Man what I give to hear just the subtle difference with the different stands with different fill, sadly, it's not going to happen with me...what a pain in the ass just to get all that playground sand in thoese J-29 :eek:

Anyway mikeyc, you choose well with the Arcam. The Sigs are a match made in heaven when set up correctly with Arcam. I wish that I could send you my CD33 and the DV29 to spin some discs with the SIgs and the AVP700. I'd personally love to have the AVP700/P1000 but it's just way overkill for me. The AVR300 was my introduction to the Arcam and with this particul gear I've acquired it's just "PERFECT" nothing else needed to achieve classic audiophile nirvana. Check into these Arcam separates, CD's and DVD"s , though they're a bit more expensive than some....boy are they worth it :) Read what Arcan users say about their equipment on the AVF

Please keeped me informed :D

Oh, and the C3 is oustounding, vocals and soundstage perfect, mostly I'm impressed with the bass responce, surprised actually...teriffic. You made some excellent choices now exploit them, push them to their limits..I think you'lll be pleasantly surprised..

"Perfectly honest filling them with the correct sand was a pain in the but"? Hmm interesting, could someone give more details about what is exactly the "correct" sand to put in those stands?

What about putting sand INTO the towers, to fill the bottom, say a couple of inch to make them heavier, and have less resonance (I don't own any Paradigm yet), would that be a good idea?

WRG: so do you have the S2s and C3 as well? Did you just go to a local playground and "borrow" some sand, or did you buy it? Curious as to why you did not go with the kitty litter?

A CDP is my next toy and I'm debating btwn an Arcam unit, or maybe the Ah! Njoe Tjoeb, or maybe a Shanling, decisions, decisions. Is there a particular Arcam unit that you would recommend?

Good evening all,

I want to upgrade my speakers, i just bought a HK AVR 635 and i am undecided between the Paradigm cinema 110CT or a combinaison of Mini monitor CC370 and ADP 370 . None of the store in my area have them in stock so i cannot audition them. So i wouldl ike to heat from anyone who has had experience with them


Alain

Have you listened to the HK/Paradigm combo?

I have the 370 and 2 prs of minis. I had them paired with the HK 235 and hated the sound. I love HK receivers but found the combo of HK/Paradigm to sound terrible. Laid back speakers and a laid back receiver-paired together they sounded like the Paradigms had a bedsheet thrown over them. in my set-up they had muffled mids and very veiled highs. You may have better success but i sold my HK-which I really liked...

I just have the time this morning for one quick answer...the sand was purchased at Home Depot, I think 20lbs playground sand bags each. Sand is pretty fine, dry and I think sterilized, if I remember...

I think this is an unusual experience. Paradigm make flat, accurate speakers not 'laid back'. I listened to my Studio V3's and they sounded best with Rotel and HK receivers (I bought the HK7200). The only receiver I didn't like much with the Paradigms was a Denon and then it was only for music (HT sounded great).



Have you listened to the HK/Paradigm combo?

I have the 370 and 2 prs of minis. I had them paired with the HK 235 and hated the sound. I love HK receivers but found the combo of HK/Paradigm to sound terrible. Laid back speakers and a laid back receiver-paired together they sounded like the Paradigms had a bedsheet thrown over them. in my set-up they had muffled mids and very veiled highs. You may have better success but i sold my HK-which I really liked...

which is best cimena 110ct or mini monitor

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Good evening all,

I want to upgrade my speakers, i just bought a HK AVR 635 and i am undecided between the Paradigm cinema 110CT or a combinaison of Mini monitor CC370 and ADP 370 . None of the store in my area have them in stock so i cannot audition them. So i wouldl ike to heat from anyone who has had experience with them


Alain "

MiniMonitors will deliver much fuller sound - the 110s stop at ~110Hz for bass and will not handle as much power. The 370s are in a different league altogether.

wrg2

I tried Paradigm Studio ADP 470 in rear. I like sigs up front and ADP in rear for HT but prefer all sigs for DVDA and SACD. I am using integra 8.5 for SACD and DVDA. I hope DVDA stays???? I use Servo 15 for bass.

I use J29 for front and back speakers are on top of two wood cabinets(WAF). Center speaker is in a seperate cabinet.

I am going to set up the family room with a 7.1 Paradigm studio system with studio 100 for mains and seperate sub. I may use adp sides and back?? I will experiment.

Do you think that the AVR300 is that good to drive the Sig S2??

RJ

RJ, I don't know the size of your room, mine is rather small 12X12 and with the AVR300 it's superb, couldn't see using the highly touted AV8 or even the AVP700, would be just overkill for me. I just run a 5.1 setup and bi-anp the fronts with the rear back surround channels. Excellent SQ. I mostly do 2ch and DVD-a, maybe 30% HT. I'm not used to using an all-in-one box solution, but after reading the great reviews and listening to my dealer it was worth a go, plus it's really not a bad price tag. It lives up to it's reviews, very pleased here. And again, for my size room, it more than reveals the characteristics of the S2's, C3, and the ADP's. If you have a much larger room you may be better served by the AVP700, almost the same electronics as the AVR with exception to the HDMI switching and I think balanced outs. I'm very pleased overall with Arcam gear, both my DV29 and CD33 are great additions with the Signatures. I mostly use the DV29 for DVD-a's. Not a glitch and when I was breaking in the speakers and the CD player, they sounded better each time I would spin a disc. For example every time I spin the Dire Straits Brothers in Arms, I'm floored, just have to listen to the whole disc, one of the disc's that really make these small signatures shine ;)

I have:

Receiver: Yamaha RX-V4600

DVD Player: Yamaha DVD-S2500

Front: Paradigm Reference Studio 40 whit Premier J-23

Subwoofer: Paradigm Reference Servo-15 V.2


Next upgrade:

Paradigm Reference Studio 100
Paradigm Reference CC-570
A second Paradigm Reference Servo-15 V.2

WRG: my room is small as well, 12x15, but I said what the heck, go for the overkill so I ordered the AVP 700 anyways. I currently have the Rotel RMB1075 amp which is 5x125w. Its prolly not as good as the Arcam 1000 but at less than half the price, I'll try it out and hope I don't have to upgrade.

I've never bi-amped before but upon a friend's recomendation I just ordered some bi-wire Q10 DH Labs speaker wire to bi-wire the Sigs.

I've heard great things about the Arcam cd and dvd players, I may have to upgrade to those as well! Do you think your CD player sounds better with CDs than your DVD player? I'm wondering if I could get away with just buying the DVD player?

I'll also have to pick up Brothers in Arms cd. is it a DVD-A that you're referring to?

mikeyc, I bought the Brothers in Arms dual disc, it does have the 5.1 surround on the one disc but the regular CD is a brilliant recording and my CD33 upsamples that. The SQ is just amazing on the disc...one of the best I've heard recently. I think that you're going to really enjoy the AVP700. I was of the same thought that I'd just buy the DV29 and use it for both dvd and cd. Though the cd playback is very good, very good especially for a dvd player and some are satisfied with using it as double duty. There's several discussions on the Arcam forum regarding this same subjects. I bought my DV29 first and played many discs and was very happy with it, and it should with the 3k pricetag. DVD-a's really shine with the 29. It drove me crazy with many posting that it's a significant difference spinning disc with the stand alone players. The flagship at that time a few months ago was the fmj CD33. I was wondering if it was worth it to justify the $2400 tag on that. Fortunately for me the CD36 was just making it's debut and the new models were tobe soon shipped the states, I called my dealer here in Miami and asked if they would offer any incentives on the outgoing CD33 to make room for the 36, They did and I picked it up for $1900/+tax and I jumped on it. The CD33 has some really great reviews on the net to include PlayBoys top picks in their Sept issue amoung other very good reviews. Clearly the CD33 player compared to the DV29 is a good jump, but it's a one trick pony and therefore can have Arcam focus totally on the one component...and they did, superior sonics. It takes a small breakin period but what a fine disc spinner it's turned out to be. The CD36 I've been told has a few new upgrades that give it a slight edge, but it ia at the same price the CD33 was before the discount to make way for the newer model...so it's back at $2400. I had the money so I wanted to complete the Arcam separates and keep the generic SQ in my room. Check em out, though a bit expensive they do have other models with better prices and with the solid Arcam quality and sound...check em out, go over to avf and read their feedback :)

My new studio 40s dont seem to go as low as I expected
I have my denon 3805 set to large speakers crossover to 80 sub set to LFR & Main
any thoughts ?

I'll also have to pick up Brothers in Arms cd. is it a DVD-A that you're referring to?

I bought the SACD and its superb!

Kal

My new studio 40s dont seem to go as low as I expected
I have my denon 3805 set to large speakers crossover to 80 sub set to LFR & Main
any thoughts ?

If you set the speakers to LARGE, the 80Hz crossover will not affect them.

Kal

So how will I get better lows out of them ?

The only way to get more is to deal with the room by repositioning the speakers and treating the room. OTOH, if you set them to small and adjust the crossover (80Hz or lower), you will get the lows from the subwoofer.

Kal

I've never heard of "Bothers in arms"

I did a quick search and found that its the name of the CD by Dire Straits. Is this the CD everyone is referring to?

I've never heard of "Bothers in arms"
Nor have I but I assume Google told you the correct spelling. :rolleyes:

I did a quick search and found that its the name of the CD by Dire Straits. Is this the CD everyone is referring to?
Yup, that's the DVD-A and SACD we referred to. I have this in vinyl, CD and XRCD but the MCH SACD is a revelation.

Kal

that is correct and it is one of the first i believe to be done ddd on regular cd.

Yup, that's the DVD-A and SACD we referred to. I have this in vinyl, CD and XRCD but the MCH SACD is a revelation.
So the SACD is better than the vinyl?

Ed

So the SACD is better than the vinyl?
Ed

Well, I cannot give you a straight answer. The vinyl was played (and not too recently) on my 2channel system. The SACD was played on my multichannel system. Different formats, different equipment, different rooms, different houses.

All I can say is that I suspect so.

Kal

Well, I cannot give you a straight answer. The vinyl was played (and not too recently) on my 2channel system. The SACD was played on my multichannel system. Different formats, different equipment, different rooms, different houses.

All I can say is that I suspect so.

Kal
Thanks Kal. I asked because I used to be a pretty serious audiophile and was always amazed by really good analog stereo - besides audiophile records, Dire Straits commercial records were pretty good and I love their music. Today I listen/watch mostly music DVD concerts on DVD-V. But there isn't a single one that even comes close to really good audio like a good vinyl, analog, stereo system. I've listened to DVD-A and SACD in stores, but it never did anything for me. It could have been a bad set-up - but sometimes the equipment was considered decent. So I never bothered to get a DVD-A or SACD setup. That's why I was interested in your opinion.

Ed

I've never heard of "Bothers in arms"

I did a quick search and found that its the name of the CD by Dire Straits. Is this the CD everyone is referring to?

Goose: This is a pretty popular CD, I'm sure you'll recognize the songs on it.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00004Y6NP/103-5960396-6590227?v=glance#product-details

The big hits were: So far away, Walk of Life, and of course Money for Nothing.

I've listened to DVD-A and SACD in stores, but it never did anything for me. It could have been a bad set-up - but sometimes the equipment was considered decent. So I never bothered to get a DVD-A or SACD setup. That's why I was interested in your opinion.

Well, imho, the major advantage of DVD-A and SACD is the multichannel capability without sacrificing quality due to lossy compression. That said, I cannot recall any store demo that made the case well enough compared to a few trade show demos or to my own setup. :D

Kal

Well, imho, the major advantage of DVD-A and SACD is the multichannel capability without sacrificing quality due to lossy compression. That said, I cannot recall any store demo that made the case well enough compared to a few trade show demos or to my own setup. :D

Kal
It's true that it's hard to find a decent multichannel setup in a store. But the one where I did my most serious listening was done right - set up like a room in a house.

I know that the multichannel setup that I have in my home is not optimal due to position constrains. But even so, the 3D imaging is nowhere near as good as the imaging / sound field I would get on my 2 channel system.

Ed

I know that the multichannel setup that I have in my home is not optimal due to position constrains. But even so, the 3D imaging is nowhere near as good as the imaging / sound field I would get on my 2 channel system.
Ed

Mebbe you should change 'even so' to 'perhaps because of that.'

Kal

Kal, what are your thoughts about the future of DVD-a and SACD? Seems that the maufactors are still producing quality universal players, some with DVD-a and others with SACD. Though I only have the DVD-a with my Arcam, it seems more and more when I go into Virgin Mega, Best Buy or some other smaller retailers, the DVD-a titles are growing smaller all the time. I do however, really enjoy multichannel music, with the Arcam gear, it's my first exposure to it. Never heard SACD. I did buy the DV29 basically for DVD and thought I'd check out this DVD-a that it too could play. I was pleased to find websites that can direct you to reviews of multichannel music giving sound quality ratings and availibility. I've acquired maybe 10 of em so far, some good, very good, and just ok. I personally think that they could have a good future despite the two differing formats. I'm saddened by the reduction of late by them. I know I can still order many titles on the net, but I'm troubled by the looming fact that one or both formats could be on the way out. Whats your thinking? :confused:

They are never going to be the lingua franca of music distribution. DVD-A will be morphed into DualDisc (sigh) and SACD will continue to linger as a niche product, primarily for classical music (good).

Kal

Kal, yes sadly, even the Brothers in Arms is only available to me on dual disc, and the 5.1 was kinda disappointing. I certainly preferred the CD version on the other side of the disc.

wrg2: I bot the Brothers in Arms on Sacd today, we don't seem to have the Dual Disk here in Toronto. I also happen to have the original CD issued many years ago so of course I compared the two. The original sounds very compressed with a narrow dynamic range, especially in the bass. The new "20th Anniversary" edition is excellent, and this is before my new gear has even arrived, I'm sure the differences will be a lot more apparent when I get better speakers, pre and wires.

Hi All,

I may have to change my sign in from exacoustat to happyparadigmowner.

Good to hear that the Brother's in Arms re-release is great! I'll wait until my new Yamaha DVD multiplayer is repaired to get it. DANG! I've gotten hooked on SACD!
I've learned alot by reading this thread. I recently (3 weeks) bought a pair of Paradigm Studio 40 v3's and 2 weeks ago bought a used (4 months) CC-470 center. I had purchased a Yamaha V657 the previous month. What a huge improvement over the old 1992 Sony AVR!

Very happy with the Paradigm Studio v3's!!!!!!! It's the first time serious music listening has been a part of my life since I sadly sold my Acoustats in 1991! The reciever was a huge improvement over the 1992 Sony AVR- or even a 2005 mid-range 7 channelX 120 watt Sony-which went back. Blech! I tried "updating" my 1992 vintage Polk Monitor 10B's with Polk Rti 8's. Too strident! They could NOT reproduce Sarah Brightman's hi notes. Then I took a friend's advice to listen to the Studio V3's. WOW! Way over my budget ($ 800.00) but I'm very happy.

I compared them to the Martin Logan series. I will say I prefer them to the 2 lower models in ML- but the $3000/pr Clarity's had a slight advantage.

Unfortunately, my new Yamaha DVD C950 broke-in its first 10 days. Disc drawer jammed-in open position. The store ( The Good Guys) is liquidating and wont exchange it. Since the disc drawer is jammed in a partly open position-it will be rather hard to repack it to send to Yamaha.

Eric

wrg2: I bot the Brothers in Arms on Sacd today, we don't seem to have the Dual Disk here in Toronto.


mikey, I found a website today that says that the dual disk can be found in Canada in some places. This particular site is great for reviews on SACD/DVD-As
www.quadraphonicquad.com Though as I mentioned, I wasn't too impressed with the dual disc 5.1, but the high resolution CD was just magnificant :D

Not much of what I like is on the high-res formats. :(

Not much of what I like is on the high-res formats. :(

That's too bad. I'm very happy with the repertoire but far from satiated. :D

Kal

Hi

I've got the Paradigm Studio 40 v3's. And the lesser costing S series stands. Would I hear any real improvement spending more for the j series?? Anyone?

Thanks!
Eric

Hi

I've got the Paradigm Studio 40 v3's. And the lesser costing S series stands. Would I hear any real improvement spending more for the j series?? Anyone?

Thanks!
Eric

IMO not much.

If you have money burning in your pocket get some room treatments. That will make the biggest difference you could ever spend money on.

You can fill the J series with sand, leadshot, kitty litter etc to reduce the amount of reverberations which will in turn improve your bass. I'm not sure if you can fill the S series.

Can people please post your experiences with external amplification for the Studio 100 v3s. - what amplifier? improvement? overall satisfaction?

I know the forums are littered with folks that believe external amplification should have no effect on sound quality and that if one if not at the point of clipping, external amplification will have no benefit. I've read all these posts.....I'll graciously ask that these folks need not respond.
I'm really intrigued by the Anthem MCA lineup and the Parasound Halo power amps. The Bryston amps are well regarded, but are unfortunately out of my $ reach.