When you talk more power, are you strictly infering WPC?

My room is 25X15X8, carpet (with underlay) over concrete. Seating position is 9', there is about 10' behind the seating position and the rear wall. I listen at volumes about 70-90 dB,

Would an amp take care of the problem, or is a new AVR a better solution?

Has anyone heard the new Signature S1's? Any comparisons' with the Signature S2's? I'm considering buying a pair for a living room TV set-up as a wife compromise. The S1's are cheaper but newer. Clearly hearing is believing but I'd be interested in any thoughts.

Thx.

S2's and C3 finally came in. I will provide a review as soon as they are broken in.

Immediate audible difference is the V2's are not as efficient as the V1's so at the same volume level, the V2's do not play as loud. Appearance wise, like the V1's, they are a beautiful/classy looking speaker, although I almost prefer the look of the exposed tweeters on the V1's better, but like the fact that the V2's tweeter are covered making them less vulnerable. I prefer the look of the aluminum midrange/bass driver over the previous version, however, at a distance they look very similar.

Like I say, I will update you on the sound when I feel they are properly broken in. (I'm not sure how long this will take)

That is one "beautiful" set-up there guy!!.. (tears in eyes...lol) those s2's look killer!. the new signature line really sets it off looks wise,, once again incredible set-up!

Finally getting my CC-390 today, after months of saving up. It will be my first "real" speaker. Should be a vast improvement over what I have now (Kenwood something or other)
... will posts pics as soon as I can.

:) :cool: :D

Congrats DrPain!
All I can say is 'LOL', wait until you see it in your house, it is a monster. Oh and get some help if you want to move it around. At 60+ lbs its a bit rough to handle by yourself if you are trying to place it in any area that is not a wide open table top.

Give us your review, but I have a feeling somewhere in there you might make mention of how you "feel" the sound as well as hear it :D

Good luck!

Congrats DrPain!
All I can say is 'LOL', wait until you see it in your house, it is a monster. Oh and get some help if you want to move it around. At 60+ lbs its a bit rough to handle by yourself if you are trying to place it in any area that is not a wide open table top.

Give us your review, but I have a feeling somewhere in there you might make mention of how you "feel" the sound as well as hear it :D

Good luck!

I'm not very good at giving reviews but I can say now it will be ten times better, without even listening to it in my home. It weighs as much as my SVS 25-31PCi sub. LOL. :D

I have no choice but to place it on top of my 27" CRT, do you think the TV will hold the weight? (See pics of my room setup in my sig)

When you talk more power, are you strictly infering WPC?

My room is 25X15X8, carpet (with underlay) over concrete. Seating position is 9', there is about 10' behind the seating position and the rear wall. I listen at volumes about 70-90 dB,

Would an amp take care of the problem, or is a new AVR a better solution?
Get a high current amp. Does that Panasonic have pre-outs? Rotels are a great match for Paradigms. Even a used RB-980BX isn't much, around $200, on Ebay. Its 120wpc, but it will kick the crap out of a receiver that supposedly puts out more wpc. Better yet buy 2 and bi-amp or bridge. ;)

I have no choice but to place it on top of my 27" CRT, do you think the TV will hold the weight? (See pics of my room setup in my sig)

...*blink*...

You are serious aren't you?

...*blink*...


First I think the speaker (from one of your pictures) will actually be tall enough to cover a slight portion of your screen unfortunately. Second, you might want to replace the "tv" speaker stand with a real stand for it, like this one (http://www.racksandstands.com/VTI-VSPC-VI1070.html) from racks and stands. Expensive speaker to balance on a tv imo (plus I don't know how large the TV is but the speaker is roughly 14" deep).

Either way be careful with it :D its on the "omg I did not know it was this big" scale. Look at my pictures again if you want to, that is a 50" wide TV stand, and a 37" tv sitting above it. Not a small center by any strech.

...*blink*...

You are serious aren't you?

...*blink*...


First I think the speaker (from one of your pictures) will actually be tall enough to cover a slight portion of your screen unfortunately. Second, you might want to replace the "tv" speaker stand with a real stand for it, like this one (http://www.racksandstands.com/VTI-VSPC-VI1070.html) from racks and stands. Expensive speaker to balance on a tv imo (plus I don't know how large the TV is but the speaker is roughly 14" deep).

Either way be careful with it :D its on the "omg I did not know it was this big" scale. Look at my pictures again if you want to, that is a 50" wide TV stand, and a 37" tv sitting above it. Not a small center by any strech.

Yah I was serious. I just got home with it and OMFG its FN' HUGE! LOL

I'm going to have to rethink how to place it. The tv is only 7inches deep in the middle.

Finally getting my CC-390 today, after months of saving up. It will be my first "real" speaker. Should be a vast improvement over what I have now (Kenwood something or other)
... will posts pics as soon as I can.

:) :cool: :D

Congrats! I hear ya. I had a Bose VCS10 CC (among other Bose speakers) for a long time. It took years before I was able to upgrade all my speakers to Paradigm.

Look at my pictures again if you want to, that is a 50" wide TV stand, and a 37" tv sitting above it. Not a small center by any strech.

where are your pictures?

pg 166 and 167...
heck YOU asked me for pics of the 390! :D

Good to hear you are rethinking its placement, first time it goes off I would imagine you flip backwards in your chair while it flips the other way off the TV...

pg 166 and 167...
heck YOU asked me for pics of the 390! :D

Good to hear you are rethinking its placement, first time it goes off I would imagine you flip backwards in your chair while it flips the other way off the TV...

Oh my bad I forget easy, rethinking the 390 might go with the 290. The 390 is just too f'in huge for my room. Plus I have to return it because it has a chip in the cabinet. And my waf and the haf (husband approval factor) just woke up!!

No way I would lose the 390! The 290 was way too bright for me, but like others say, make sure you listen to it first and that it sounds right to you. Let us know what you choose.

No way I would lose the 390! The 290 was way too bright for me, but like others say, make sure you listen to it first and that it sounds right to you. Let us know what you choose.

how wide is your room bayn?

I'm seriously looking at the Paradigm Studio 100s (L & R), the Studio CC-690 (almost 70 lbs is ridiculous :D ), servo 15 (or possibly two seismic 10s), and surrounds. I have no room for floorstanding surrounds and can't wall mount my surrounds so I think I'm going to have to choose a in-ceiling model. I'm most nervous about that decision. Haven't decided yet on rears but probably I'll do in-ceiling or in-walls for the (7.1) rears.

I auditioned the Studio 100s awhile back and I loved them. I'll be going back for another listen and also I'll check out actual cost for the setup. I may try to work a better deal by picking up an Integra 9.8 pre/pro and/or an amp (or possibly Onkyo 875, 905). The better the deal I can work out the better the system hopefully.

Comments on that system (and what you think about the options) are appreciated. :)

My other question is this: why are Paradigm speakers so popular on AVSForum? What do you think attracts so many audio/HT hobbiests to Paradigm?

I'm seriously looking at the Paradigm Studio 100s (L & R), the Studio CC-690 (almost 70 lbs is ridiculous :D ), servo 15 (or possibly two seismic 10s), and surrounds. I have no room for floorstanding surrounds and can't wall mount my surrounds so I think I'm going to have to choose a in-ceiling model. I'm most nervous about that decision. Haven't decided yet on rears but probably I'll do in-ceiling or in-walls for the (7.1) rears.

I auditioned the Studio 100s awhile back and I loved them. I'll be going back for another listen and also I'll check out actual cost for the setup. I may try to work a better deal by picking up an Integra 9.8 pre/pro and/or an amp (or possibly Onkyo 875, 905). The better the deal I can work out the better the system hopefully.

Comments on that system (and what you think about the options) are appreciated. :)

My other question is this: why are Paradigm speakers so popular on AVSForum? What do you think attracts so many audio/HT hobbiests to Paradigm?

First, I think that will be a great sounding system. Some will tell you that the 100's are power hungry, but in my experience they will sound just as good in a average size room powered by an AVR in the class of the Integra / Onkyo you plan to buy.

About the ceiling speakers. Sure it isn't the optimal set-up, but most of us have compromises to make, and if you have to make them, the rear channels is the way to go. Surround channels play a relatively minor role in surround sound, and it is not as critical that they match the L/C/R.

Why do so many people like Paradigm? Because they make speakers with accurate performance at a fair price, for just about every every class of audiophile. You have the Monitor line for new audiophiles (or those on a budget), the Studio series for the dedicated audiophile that wants the best sound and is willing to pay a bit more for it, and the Signature line for hardcore veteran or those that want there speaker to look as good as they sound.

While Paradigm uses marketing terms like SHOCK-MOUNT™ to describe the way they mount their drivers, there are sound engineering principles behind all of the features and design choices they make. In turn, those result in speakers that sound "right".

Paradigm was one of the first companies to include a dedicated mid-range driver in their horizontal center speakers when companies (even most high-end companies) were still using W-T-W or M-T-M designs. Only a company concerned with good performance would go to the trouble of designing a center with a dedicated mid, when it would be much easier to make the M-T-M design that would sell just as well to most unsuspecting consumers.

First, I think that will be a great sounding system. Some will tell you that the 100's are power hungry, but in my experience they will sound just as good in a average size room powered by an AVR in the class of the Integra / Onkyo you plan to buy.

About the ceiling speakers. Sure it isn't the optimal set-up, but most of us have compromises to make, and if you have to make them, the rear channels is the way to go. Surround channels play a relatively minor role in surround sound, and it is not as critical that they match the L/C/R.

Why do so many people like Paradigm? Because they make speakers with accurate performance at a fair price, for just about every every class of audiophile. You have the Monitor line for new audiophiles (or those on a budget), the Studio series for the dedicated audiophile that wants the best sound and is willing to pay a bit more for it, and the Signature line for hardcore veteran or those that want there speaker to look as good as they sound.

While Paradigm uses marketing terms like SHOCK-MOUNT™ to describe the way they mount their drivers, there are sound engineering principles behind all of the features and design choices they make. In turn, those result in speakers that sound "right".

Paradigm was one of the first companies to include a dedicated mid-range driver in their horizontal center speakers when companies (even most high-end companies) were still using W-T-W or M-T-M designs. Only a company concerned with good performance would go to the trouble of designing a center with a dedicated mid, when it would be much easier to make the M-T-M design that would sell just as well to most unsuspecting consumers.
just to add to what you have already stated they make everything inhouse so they
have total control on everthing and imo the best speakers i have owned to date for
the money spent.

I'm seriously looking at the Paradigm Studio 100s (L & R), the Studio CC-690 (almost 70 lbs is ridiculous :D ), servo 15 (or possibly two seismic 10s), and surrounds. I have no room for floorstanding surrounds and can't wall mount my surrounds so I think I'm going to have to choose a in-ceiling model. I'm most nervous about that decision. Haven't decided yet on rears but probably I'll do in-ceiling or in-walls for the (7.1) rears.

I auditioned the Studio 100s awhile back and I loved them. I'll be going back for another listen and also I'll check out actual cost for the setup. I may try to work a better deal by picking up an Integra 9.8 pre/pro and/or an amp (or possibly Onkyo 875, 905). The better the deal I can work out the better the system hopefully.

Comments on that system (and what you think about the options) are appreciated. :)

My other question is this: why are Paradigm speakers so popular on AVSForum? What do you think attracts so many audio/HT hobbiests to Paradigm?
sounds like you will have a great system as for the sub i would try to stay with the servo 15 and another option for the surrounds would be the 20's.

Thanks for those comments hifisponge. I think I experienced some of what you mentioned during my initial audition. The speakers seemed quite accurate and to me the overall best sounding speaker I heard in that price range. Indeed, they even rivaled the McIntosh floorstanding speakers I auditioned the same day... not quite as good but really close. That's exceptional considering how much more expensive the McIntosh are. I was also impressed by the "fullness" of the Paradigm sound and I doubt anyone would feel like they had too little speaker for thier HT!

The other thing that is very attractive about Paradigm to me is the center speaker that's paired with the Studio line (as well as some of the other lines). The non-MTM design is a big plus and they sound excellent for HT... I never did have to strain to make out dialog even in action scenes.

Along with the Studio 100s I definitely got the feeling I was imersed in "big" sound and indeed they are big speakers that move a lot of air around. :)


sounds like you will have a great system as for the sub i would try to stay with the servo 15 and another option for the surrounds would be the 20's.
Thanks for the advice, could you elaborate on why you think the servo 15 is superior to two of the 10s? I'm assuming it's sound quality but I'd like to hear it from you.

When you say the 20s are you talking about the Millenia 20s? If so I see what you mean... they are a slim line design and it may be possible to use them as floor-standing surrounds. The only drawback to that is in my HT one would be standing in a walkway area. I'm not sure that would be preferable to using the Paradigm in-ceilings for surrounds/rears... it's a tough call.

Thanks for those comments hifisponge. I think I experienced some of what you mentioned during my initial audition. The speakers seemed quite accurate and to me the overall best sounding speaker I heard in that price range. Indeed, they even rivaled the McIntosh floorstanding speakers I auditioned the same day... not quite as good but really close. That's exceptional considering how much more expensive the McIntosh are. I was also impressed by the "fullness" of the Paradigm sound and I doubt anyone would feel like they had too little speaker for thier HT!

The other thing that is very attractive about Paradigm to me is the center speaker that's paired with the Studio line (as well as some of the other lines). The non-MTM design is a big plus and they sound excellent for HT... I never did have to strain to make out dialog even in action scenes.

Along with the Studio 100s I definitely got the feeling I was imersed in "big" sound and indeed they are big speakers that move a lot of air around. :)



Thanks for the advice, could you elaborate on why you think the servo 15 is superior to two of the 10s? I'm assuming it's sound quality but I'd like to hear it from you.

When you say the 20s are you talking about the Millenia 20s? If so I see what you mean... they are a slim line design and it may be possible to use them as floor-standing surrounds. The only drawback to that is in my HT one would be standing in a walkway area. I'm not sure that would be preferable to using the Paradigm in-ceilings for surrounds/rears... it's a tough call.
for the 20's the studio's work great for surrounds and the servo imo sounds alot better
lower extention which you can feel and seems tighter for music score and quick blasts
or explosions.

for the 20's the studio's work great for surrounds and the servo imo sounds alot better
lower extention which you can feel and seems tighter for music score and quick blasts
or explosions.I went and listened to the Paradigm Studio 100's and the CC-690 center again as well as the servo 15... wow, I didn't realize it was so much larger than the seismic subs - and definitely move a lot more air around. I'm certain now the servo is the way to go.

All of the speakers sounded great, well as good as they can in a boutique audition room but I really liked the clarity and the accuracy of the Studios. The CC-690 center is one hell of a speaker - never heard dialog with quite so much punch from anything I've listened to. It is a huge speaker! It'll work great in my setup.

Couple quick questions for you Paradigm owners before I pull the trigger on the setup.


1) has anyone heard the STUDIO ADP-590's (surrounds that match the Studios) mounted on the ceiling? It has a mounting bracket and I'm considering mounting it one the ceiling with the dipoles firing forward and back. The other option is the Paradigm in-ceiling but I'd have to go to a directional speaker as they don't make a dipole in-ceiling. Another option would be to go to another speaker brand for the surrounds. I'd then use some in-ceilings for the surround rears.

2) the speaker package was higher than I anticipated because apparently the Paradigm's cannot be discounted and have a Manufacturers Minimum Price on them. That makes them 10-15% higher than I expected since there is no discount. When did Paradigm institute an MMP?

3) I priced out two options for driving these puppies: Integra 9.8 preamp ($1600) and Anthem PVA 7 ($1800) OR go with the Onkyo 875 ($1700 MSRP) or possibly 905 if needed. I would save with the Onkyo but I'm thinking the seperates may result in better SQ.

Thanks

Edit: the pricing I listed is MSRP but they don't discount anything so that's what I'd pay.

I would walk right out the door of that place and never look back...
All that guy is doing is shuffling paperwork...

You just north of me, and I can guarantee you a 10% off at my dealer...

PM sent :)

I went and listened to the Paradigm Studio 100's and the CC-690 center again as well as the servo 15... wow, I didn't realize it was so much larger than the seismic subs - and definitely move a lot more air around. I'm certain now the servo is the way to go.

All of the speakers sounded great, well as good as they can in a boutique audition room but I really liked the clarity and the accuracy of the Studios. The CC-690 center is one hell of a speaker - never heard dialog with quite so much punch from anything I've listened to. It is a huge speaker! It'll work great in my setup.

Couple quick questions for you Paradigm owners before I pull the trigger on the setup.


1) has anyone heard the STUDIO ADP-590's (surrounds that match the Studios) mounted on the ceiling? It has a mounting bracket and I'm considering mounting it one the ceiling with the dipoles firing forward and back. The other option is the Paradigm in-ceiling but I'd have to go to a directional speaker as they don't make a dipole in-ceiling. Another option would be to go to another speaker brand for the surrounds. I'd then use some in-ceilings for the surround rears.

2) the speaker package was higher than I anticipated because apparently the Paradigm's cannot be discounted and have a Manufacturers Minimum Price on them. That makes them 10-15% higher than I expected since there is no discount. When did Paradigm institute an MMP?

3) I priced out two options for driving these puppies: Integra 9.8 preamp ($1600) and Anthem PVA 7 ($1800) OR go with the Onkyo 875 ($1700 MSRP) or possibly 905 if needed. I would save with the Onkyo but I'm thinking the seperates may result in better SQ.

Thanks

Edit: the pricing I listed is MSRP but they don't discount anything so that's what I'd pay.

Sounds like the dealer is feeding you a line of $hit. My local dealer offered me the basic 10% without any haggling.

I went and listened to the Paradigm Studio 100's and the CC-690 center again as well as the servo 15... wow, I didn't realize it was so much larger than the seismic subs - and definitely move a lot more air around. I'm certain now the servo is the way to go.

All of the speakers sounded great, well as good as they can in a boutique audition room but I really liked the clarity and the accuracy of the Studios. The CC-690 center is one hell of a speaker - never heard dialog with quite so much punch from anything I've listened to. It is a huge speaker! It'll work great in my setup.

Couple quick questions for you Paradigm owners before I pull the trigger on the setup.


1) has anyone heard the STUDIO ADP-590's (surrounds that match the Studios) mounted on the ceiling? It has a mounting bracket and I'm considering mounting it one the ceiling with the dipoles firing forward and back. The other option is the Paradigm in-ceiling but I'd have to go to a directional speaker as they don't make a dipole in-ceiling. Another option would be to go to another speaker brand for the surrounds. I'd then use some in-ceilings for the surround rears.

2) the speaker package was higher than I anticipated because apparently the Paradigm's cannot be discounted and have a Manufacturers Minimum Price on them. That makes them 10-15% higher than I expected since there is no discount. When did Paradigm institute an MMP?

3) I priced out two options for driving these puppies: Integra 9.8 preamp ($1600) and Anthem PVA 7 ($1800) OR go with the Onkyo 875 ($1700 MSRP) or possibly 905 if needed. I would save with the Onkyo but I'm thinking the seperates may result in better SQ.

Thanks

Edit: the pricing I listed is MSRP but they don't discount anything so that's what I'd pay.
the adp's can be mounted on the ceilling as well the walls.

Thanks warpdrv, I PM returned. :)

dbacksfan51, yeah as I suspected he was feeding me the old sales line... even after I said to him I didn't believe he couldn't discount he insisted they could lose thier dealership if they dared to discount even a penny. I guess they have so many sales they can risk using that kind of tactic. Looks like his ruse will cost him a big $ale.

oztech, I'm really glad to hear I can ceiling mount the adp's as I'd really like to stick to the matching surrounds. :cool:

Has anyone compared or made the move from Studio 60's v1 to 60's v3 or v4's? I currently have 60's v1 and was thinking of an upgrade...basically like my 60's v1, but could do with a little smoother mid-high to top end and some more extended bottom. Since my v1's have 2x 6.5" drivers and the v3 & v4's have 2x 7" drivers, plus it seems a smoother yet extended top, it would seem to be the right move. And I'm referring to music with here with my comments since that is my priority with these speakers.

Comments please?

Fleaman

Why not audition the V4's as well as other (non-Paradigm) speakers before purchasing?

Why not audition the V4's as well as other (non-Paradigm) speakers before purchasing?

Well, ultimately comparing at home is the best way....and since none of the dealers/showrooms will have V1's on hand to compare, it will be difficult to analyze, hence the request from those here who have made such a move (and I'm sure many have).

Fleaman

Hello all ,I just wanted to say my set up now sounds amazing !
It is a Mixed bag
40's v.3 -with upgraded Sig tweeters
CC V.2 center
Cinema90 v.3 in the rears
2 SVS SB12 + subs made a world of difference
When I was using one PDR8 and then one SB12= I still found my set up sounding better set to large
Now have them all set to small and the 80 Hz Xo and I am blown away on how great it sounds now
I am sure a 690 would put a larger smile on my face but I am happy with the CC and Music is more my taste altho I do love HT alos
Next may be a try to do something better with my rears maybe a different bracket to point them more into the listening area -the now fire a bit over head

I purchased a set of studio 60 front speakers, studio CC for center and 4 Studio 20 for surround and rear. At the time, the retailer convinced me the way to go for the surround and rear was the 20's.

Unfortunately, I moved and the 20's have been sitting in a box for the last 4 years. Now I am building a dedicated home theater and need some help. I will use the studio 60 and studio cc but am not sure what to do about the surround and rear.

Shoudl I still use the studio 20's or should I get surrounds? Also, my architect wants to do build outs in the home theater room to store the speakers. Should I do this or mount them? Or should I go with some other paradigm speakers?

Thanks for your help.

Jim

i like the 20's personally but mine are 6 feet behind me they will not work as well as adp's
without some distance between you and them at least 4 feet that however imop.

Next may be a try to do something better with my rears maybe a different bracket to point them more into the listening area -the now fire a bit over head
Grats on your system! :)

If you are using direct firing speaker as your rears you really don't want them pointed right at the listener - you want to have them firing straight ahead into the room (i.e. pointed at each other). That's the recommended configuration I've seen anyway. You don't want the surrounds to give away directionality - that is you don't want to be able to tell that the sound is coming from a speaker behind and above you.

I purchased a set of studio 60 front speakers, studio CC for center and 4 Studio 20 for surround and rear. At the time, the retailer convinced me the way to go for the surround and rear was the 20's.

Unfortunately, I moved and the 20's have been sitting in a box for the last 4 years. Now I am building a dedicated home theater and need some help. I will use the studio 60 and studio cc but am not sure what to do about the surround and rear.

Shoudl I still use the studio 20's or should I get surrounds? Also, my architect wants to do build outs in the home theater room to store the speakers. Should I do this or mount them? Or should I go with some other paradigm speakers?

Thanks for your help.

Jim
I'm in a similar circumstance in a new home build - except in my case I've decided to replace my entire HT speaker setup (not just the surrounds like you). If you're building a new dedicated theater you should do it right.

Saying that I think the Studio 20's will do a fantastic job as surrounds but you have to make sure you mount them correctly and I doubt they'll look (or function) as good as speakers designed for surround use.

If I were you what I'd do is get the STUDIO ADP-590 for use as surrounds (which is designed for use with the Studio line [$1200 MSRP for a pair]). I think the dipolar design will work better than those front firing 20s. You don't have to go 7.1 but if you want to you can consider using one of the Paradigm CS (in-wall/in-ceiling) speakers (little information comes from the rears so you don't need to spend the money for the ADP if you don't want to). The nice thing about the ADP surround is you can wall or ceiling mount it as I now plan to do with my new setup.

Then, take those nice Studio 40s and use them for 2-channel listening (as I'm going to do with my "old" Vienna Acoustics) or for some other use in the house.

Mounting ADP-590's Question

Any recommendations on mounting these guys? Now that they do not come with any mounting hardware, I'm trying to decide how I should mount them. I can either mount them on the side walls behind my seating or as was mentioned earlier a ceiling mount is possible too if that makes sense. Also, what mounting hardware have people used? I'm going to call my dealer too, but I was curious as to what people had done for their setups.

Thanks,
Garth

Mounting ADP-590's Question

Any recommendations on mounting these guys? Now that they do not come with any mounting hardware, I'm trying to decide how I should mount them. I can either mount them on the side walls behind my seating or as was mentioned earlier a ceiling mount is possible too if that makes sense. Also, what mounting hardware have people used? I'm going to call my dealer too, but I was curious as to what people had done for their setups.

Thanks,
Garth
As I've already mentioned I'm going to ceiling mount them...

I looked at the 590's pretty closely (and discussed it with the rep) and they have what look like a specially designed mounting bracket to help position them properly (as this mounting takes advantage of the acoustics of the sound as it interacts with the wall). So, I'm probably going to go with the Paradigm mounting bracket.

I purchased a set of studio 60 front speakers, studio CC for center and 4 Studio 20 for surround and rear. At the time, the retailer convinced me the way to go for the surround and rear was the 20's.

Unfortunately, I moved and the 20's have been sitting in a box for the last 4 years. Now I am building a dedicated home theater and need some help. I will use the studio 60 and studio cc but am not sure what to do about the surround and rear.

Shoudl I still use the studio 20's or should I get surrounds? Also, my architect wants to do build outs in the home theater room to store the speakers. Should I do this or mount them? Or should I go with some other paradigm speakers?

Thanks for your help.

Jim

The 20's can be a good choice for surround channel speakers, but you want to make sure that you position them on stands about two feet from any wall and that you are at least 5-6 feet away from them. If your room is not big enough to accomodate these distances, then the on-wall ADPs would be a better choice.

MNN1265,
Thanks for the fast response - I missed it and had to delete a follow-up post. The provided parts are just safety related and are meant to be used in addition to the mounting system chosen; they include a little cable to keep them from falling away from the wall, etc.

Any recommendations on mounting these guys as they are quite heavy at around 15#? I'm particularly curious if anyone has any recommendations for mounting brackets - I noticed that Paradigm doesn't provide a part # or anything - the enclosed note says to check with an installation professional. I would prefer to mount them on the side walls behind my first row of seats if possible. I thought I'd check here in case any Paradigm owners had found a solution they particularly liked.

Thanks again for your help.
Garth

Mounting ADP-590's Question

Any recommendations on mounting these guys? Now that they do not come with any mounting hardware, I'm trying to decide how I should mount them. I can either mount them on the side walls behind my seating or as was mentioned earlier a ceiling mount is possible too if that makes sense. Also, what mounting hardware have people used? I'm going to call my dealer too, but I was curious as to what people had done for their setups.

Thanks,
Garth

Of course they come with mounting hardware. Here's my left side surround mounted with the included hardware:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/leftside.jpg

And my right side surround:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/chairsright.jpg

Those are atoms as the rears.

Actually they even come with a note now that says they no longer come with the mounting hardware. All you get is a small plastic bracket that fits under the back collar of the speaker. Unless you mounted it with the 3"x1/4" bracket - is that the case? I apologize if this is off-topic, but I thought it might be something other new Paradigm owners were dealing with. I can send a scan of the slip that comes with the speakers if anyone is curious.

Note: I miss my Atoms...nice little speakers. They provide nice imaging for your rear channel sounds?

Heres a pic of my new CC-390. On top is my old Kenwood center.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1341/949920945_0cfe208687_b.jpg

Still seting up my room to accommodate the new beast.

I have to return it, due to a chip in the cabinet (top left above the woofer). It was poorly packed/ shipped.

Condom ALERT !!!!!!

Now we know where you hide your protection !!!!

Condom ALERT !!!!!!

Now we know where you hide your protection !!!!

I dont use condoms

Has anyone compared or made the move from Studio 60's v1 to 60's v3 or v4's? I currently have 60's v1 and was thinking of an upgrade...basically like my 60's v1, but could do with a little smoother mid-high to top end and some more extended bottom. Since my v1's have 2x 6.5" drivers and the v3 & v4's have 2x 7" drivers, plus it seems a smoother yet extended top, it would seem to be the right move. And I'm referring to music with here with my comments since that is my priority with these speakers.

Comments please?

Fleaman

Ok, probably not many here that had V.1's to compare. What about 60 v.3's vs V.4's? I could of course get v.3's for less since they are the older model, but what would I be missing out on?

Fleaman

i can't speak for the 60's but as far as the 100's there is a slight difference not night and
day from the v3 to the v4 but i am sure in home with an a/b comparison it could be greater
as a general rule when paradigm introduces a new studio speaker or refined it has always
been for the better.

Grats on your system! :)

If you are using direct firing speaker as your rears you really don't want them pointed right at the listener - you want to have them firing straight ahead into the room (i.e. pointed at each other). That's the recommended configuration I've seen anyway. You don't want the surrounds to give away directionality - that is you don't want to be able to tell that the sound is coming from a speaker behind and above you.
So in my room you would try and fire the rears against the back wall facing each other OR firring twords the front of the room?

So in my room you would try and fire the rears against the back wall facing each other OR firring twords the front of the room?
really you have to experiment with placement mine at 6ft from my seated position
sound the best slightly toed in towards the center of the room.

i can't speak for the 60's but as far as the 100's there is a slight difference not night and
day from the v3 to the v4 but i am sure in home with an a/b comparison it could be greater
as a general rule when paradigm introduces a new studio speaker or refined it has always
been for the better.

I can speak for the v.1 60s, as I have a pair in one system and v.3 20s in another. I recently replaced the tweeters in the v.1 60s with a pair of v.3s. I immediately heard an improvement with the change. It wasn't leaps and bounds, but the treble was smoother. I've also recently acquired a pair of Signature mid range drivers to replace those in the 60s. The S8 mid range are a bit larger, so that change will require a bit of surgery.

Heres a pic of my new CC-390. On top is my old Kenwood center.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1341/949920945_0cfe208687_b.jpg

Still seting up my room to accommodate the new beast.

I have to return it, due to a chip in the cabinet (top left above the woofer). It was poorly packed/ shipped.

Ouch!
Nasty chip.
Did you decide to keep the 390 or you going with something smaller?

I can speak for the v.1 60s, as I have a pair in one system and v.3 20s in another. I recently replaced the tweeters in the v.1 60s with a pair of v.3s. I immediately heard an improvement with the change. It wasn't leaps and bounds, but the treble was smoother. I've also recently acquired a pair of Signature mid range drivers to replace those in the 60s. The S8 mid range are a bit larger, so that change will require a bit of surgery.

Thanks. Although the v.3's have different crossovers than the v.1's, which would effect a lot too.

Fleaman

So in my room you would try and fire the rears against the back wall facing each other OR firring twords the front of the room?
Start with them mounted a few feet above and to the side of the listening area (or slightly behind) facing directly at each other, each firing at 90 degrees from the wall they are mounted on. Then as Oztech suggested you can experiment with them facing slightly forward toward the screen to see if you prefer that. Basically you want the sound to be reaching your ear after it bounces around rather than directly... that's why many people like to use dipoles/bipoles as surrounds.

Ouch!
Nasty chip.
Did you decide to keep the 390 or you going with something smaller?

I'm keeping the 390, will have this one till the new one arrives.

So I'm finally the proud owner of some Paradigm's!

Here's what I have now:

* Paradigm Monitor 11 front's
* Paradigm CC-390 center
* Paradigm ADP-390's rears

* HSU VTF-3 MK3 w/ Turbo Sub

* Sanyo PLV-Z5 PJ on a 104" DIY screen

So far my sources are a PS3 and DishTV HD.

I have yet to pick a receiver. I know I know... all this stuff and I can't turn it on without a receiver. All the receivers out, I'm not impressed with, so I'm waiting on some ones coming down the pike.

So I'm finally the proud owner of some Paradigm's!

Here's what I have now:

* Paradigm Monitor 11 front's
* Paradigm CC-390 center
* Paradigm ADP-390's rears

* HSU VTF-3 MK3 w/ Turbo Sub

* Sanyo PLV-Z5 PJ on a 104" DIY screen

So far my sources are a PS3 and DishTV HD.

I have yet to pick a receiver. I know I know... all this stuff and I can't turn it on without a receiver. All the receivers out, I'm not impressed with, so I'm waiting on some ones coming down the pike.
thats a smart move if you can not find what you want then you will not be happy
and have to buy twice so happy shopping.

So I'm finally the proud owner of some Paradigm's!

Here's what I have now:

* Paradigm Monitor 11 front's
* Paradigm CC-390 center
* Paradigm ADP-390's rears

* HSU VTF-3 MK3 w/ Turbo Sub

* Sanyo PLV-Z5 PJ on a 104" DIY screen

So far my sources are a PS3 and DishTV HD.

I have yet to pick a receiver. I know I know... all this stuff and I can't turn it on without a receiver. All the receivers out, I'm not impressed with, so I'm waiting on some ones coming down the pike.

Nice and congrats!
Thats my exact setup and I'm enjoying it (I just havent put the turbo on the HSU) Hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine :D

What about 60 v.3's vs V.4's? I could of course get v.3's for less since they are the older model, but what would I be missing out on?

I went from V.3's to V.4's and while I agree the differences weren't night and day, they were noticable to me.
The mids are cleaner/clearer and the treble is smoother and more airy.
For me, these differences were worth it. (even though I broke even when I sold and bought).
I do however think the V.3's were built better.

thats a smart move if you can not find what you want then you will not be happy

I figured I'm not planning to buy another receiver anytime soon, so I should probably get this right. It is absolutely killing my buddies though, they see all this cool stuff in my basement, but no way to run it. I've admittedly been playing Ninja Gaiden and the Grand Tourismo demo's without sound, with the PS3 hooked directly up to the PJ. I couldn't stand waiting to see what it looked like!

Nice and congrats!
Thats my exact setup and I'm enjoying it (I just haven't put the turbo on the HSU) Hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine :D

I'm glad to hear it. I was planning on trying the HSU w/ and w/o the turbo just to see the difference. I'm just hoping it isn't TOO much sub for my small room. Oh well, that's what the volume knob is for.

I'm glad to hear it. I was planning on trying the HSU w/ and w/o the turbo just to see the difference. I'm just hoping it isn't TOO much sub for my small room. Oh well, that's what the volume knob is for.

The 3.3 is QUITE potent, even at 16hz it shakes my living room/kitchen/dining room at the first tick for volume on it and at -22~ on my Yamaha 661.
If you are in a small room, I don't think you will need the turbo. I bought all of my stuff so when I get a dedicated room I don't have to "rebuy" or step up larger and I must say for the price I paid this equipment is stellar. As it stands my turbo is STILL NITB, have not even peeked inside. Make sure once you turn it all on to NOT listen to anything after calibrating... just pop in "Finding Nemo" and skip to the scene BEFORE "Darla" taps on the fish tank, as you are watching it just casually walk over and stand next to the sub waiting for the scene to hit. :)

I will say for the 390 rears you do need that back wall to bounce sound around to get the best effects so make sure you have all that. And as I'm sure you know, positioning of yourself/speakers/sound treatments makes a HUGE difference.

Have fun and post up some pictures of your area/speakers. Its always fun to see how people are using these things.

Negotiating a Paradigm set-up from a dealer (complete 5.1).

What is a good discount to aim for?

For example:

15% - Good
18% - Very good
20% - Amazing
25% - Unbelievable

Negotiating a Paradigm set-up from a dealer (complete 5.1).

What is a good discount to aim for?

For example:

15% - Good
18% - Very good
20% - Amazing
25% - Unbelievable

10% - Good
15% - Very good
20% - Great
25% - The Best

10% - Good
15% - Very good
20% - Great
25% - The Best

For all model lines (reference, sig's, etc.)?

I went to my Paradigm dealer yesterday to possibly upgrade to the CC-390 from the 290. Well to make a long story short I now have a pair of Studio 100s coming in Thursday. :D

And get this it was my wife who said just get 'em so you'll be done upgrading for a while. They're gonna set me back about $1500 after I trade in my 9s.

Damn! After building a nice Monitor HT set-up I thought I was setting good. Now I'm gonna have to start on the new Studio HT. ;)

I went to my Paradigm dealer yesterday to possibly upgrade to the CC-390 from the 290. Well to make a long story short I now have a pair of Studio 100s coming in Thursday. :D

And get this it was my wife who said just get 'em so you'll be done upgrading for a while. They're gonna set me back about $1500 after I trade in my 9s.

Damn! After building a nice Monitor HT set-up I thought I was setting good. Now I'm gonna have to start on the new Studio HT. ;)


Anyone here feel sorry for him? 'Cuz I sure don't! :)
Grats! Post up some pic's when you get them.

For all model lines (reference, sig's, etc.)?

Monitor Line

Anyone here feel sorry for him? 'Cuz I sure don't! :)
Grats! Post up some pic's when you get them.

Yah I do, that his wife didn't suggest the Signature Series :rolleyes:

Congrats

I went to my Paradigm dealer yesterday to possibly upgrade to the CC-390 from the 290. Well to make a long story short I now have a pair of Studio 100s coming in Thursday. :D

And get this it was my wife who said just get 'em so you'll be done upgrading for a while. They're gonna set me back about $1500 after I trade in my 9s.

Damn! After building a nice Monitor HT set-up I thought I was setting good. Now I'm gonna have to start on the new Studio HT. ;)
thats happened to more of us than we will admit went in with a budget then the dealer
said have you heard these put some music on that i liked left the room and the hook
was set reeled me to the cashier virtually painless till the bill came but happy i did it
no regrets have not had the need to replace the studio 100's now just a nagging sub
upgrade and who ever wins the hd war gets my next batch of income.

Well, after owning the CC-570 v3 for a couple of weeks, I've decided not to keep it since the CC-590 v4 will better match my Studio 60 v4. So...I've decided to sell the 570 on eBay in the near future. Yeah, I may lose a little bit of $$$$, but I just bought the 590 at a great price and it should help me break even.

Thanks to those who provided info (570 vs 590) and helped me out in making this decision from a couple of weeks back.

I went to my Paradigm dealer yesterday to possibly upgrade to the CC-390 from the 290. Well to make a long story short I now have a pair of Studio 100s coming in Thursday. :D

And get this it was my wife who said just get 'em so you'll be done upgrading for a while. They're gonna set me back about $1500 after I trade in my 9s.

Damn! After building a nice Monitor HT set-up I thought I was setting good. Now I'm gonna have to start on the new Studio HT. ;)

Aww, man...that sucks...upgrading and having to start a Studio HT setup...haha. Congrats!

I went from CC470 to CC570 to CC590 all w/in a couple of months time frame...it's crazy. Now, I'm "thinking" of upgrading my Seismic 10 to a 12...and I'm gonna be a daddy in a few days. Gotta hide the credit card...*looks for a good hiding spot*

Now, I'm "thinking" of upgrading my Seismic 10 to a 12...and I'm gonna be a daddy in a few days. Gotta hide the credit card...*looks for a good hiding spot*

Not only that, get yourself a good pair of headphones, or else neither you nor the baby will get any sleep<g>. Seismic subs are not too useful during the early days of parenting...

So my wife had some difficulty post delivery (thankfully she is well on the way to a full recovery now) which resulted in my mother inlaw coming to stay. Good lady to have around.

Interesting thing is that my daughter spent a good bit of her first few weeks sleeping in the room with a hard of hearing grandmother who keeps the TV on all night. She is only three weeks old but if you want to wake her up make the room she is in quiet. She sleeps on schedule in the den, kitchen with 6 people in the house, and her crib if the noisy HEPA filter is running!



Not only that, get yourself a good pair of headphones, or else neither you nor the baby will get any sleep<g>. Seismic subs are not too useful during the early days of parenting...

I was checking out the Paradigm website, FAQ's section.

Listed "can you put ADP's on a back wall?". The answer from Paradigm was "yes"
as long as you sit in the null. So I'm looking at doing two on the sides and two in the back. If that doesn't give me "surround" sound I don't know what will.

My ceiling is vaulted. I may even try placing the back ADP's slightly above on the
tilted part of the ceiling. They would end up about 9ft high and 2-3 ft behind my
couch.

Opinions???

Well lets see what nmm1265 has to say when he gets home...

Well lets see what nmm1265 has to say when he gets home...
What do I have to say? Woooopieeee! :D

My setup just arrived today!!

Studio 40s, CC590, ADP 590s for the rear.... with the seismic 12!!

Very excited about them.

My first impression is that they are very nice looking well built speakers.

More to come..........

I was checking out the Paradigm website, FAQ's section.

Listed "can you put ADP's on a back wall?". The answer from Paradigm was "yes"
as long as you sit in the null. So I'm looking at doing two on the sides and two in the back. If that doesn't give me "surround" sound I don't know what will.

My ceiling is vaulted. I may even try placing the back ADP's slightly above on the
tilted part of the ceiling. They would end up about 9ft high and 2-3 ft behind my
couch.

Opinions???

Based on the wording in that FAQ it seems they are not recommending ceiling mount... as they conspicuously didn't mention that option. However Oztech said:

the adp's can be mounted on the ceilling as well the walls.

He didn't elaborate so I'm not sure what that opinion is based upon.

Well lets see what nmm1265 has to say when he gets home...
See, Warpdrv had to throw a wrench in the works today when I stopped by his place to check out his sweeeet setup. :) He showed me his ADP and demonstrated how the mounting was designed to work... let's just say it's less than I would have hoped for!

It's clear he's thought about this a hell of a lot more than me because he pointed out that "ceiling mount" can be interpreted two very different ways (or maybe even more).

The first "ceiling mount" is where you hang a piece of metal at 90 degrees to the ceiling and then mount the speaker to that "pseudo wall" facing such that the largest (center speaker) sound is fired across the room just like if you placed a bookshelf speaker on a shelf.

The second "ceiling mount" is different. It's where you mount the back of the speaker flush to the ceiling such that the largest (center speaker) is firing straight down like a typical in-ceiling mounted speaker.

Both methods result in the side speakers (outer) firing forward and back in the room. However, one mount results in the "null" facing down and the other facing towards it's matched pair.

It's unclear which, if either is acceptable but I intend to get to the bottom of it! :D

What do I have to say? Woooopieeee! :D


Ahhhh Hello buddy.... Maybe you want to clue everyone in to the fact that you have just become part of the Paradigm Owners group here.... !!!!!

Congrats on your purchase buddy... nice to meet you.... and I hope you had a good time at my place checking out my system... It was fun if not short lived...

I wish we had more time for you to audition... but I think I gave you some idea's...

Warp

Ahhhh Hello buddy.... Maybe you want to clue everyone in to the fact that you have just become part of the Paradigm Owners group here.... !!!!!

Congrats on your purchase buddy... nice to meet you.... and I hope you had a good time at my place checking out my system... It was fun if not short lived...

I wish we had more time for you to audition... but I think I gave you some idea's...

Warp
Was great to actually hear your setup (almost the same as the one I'm getting) so I know what to look forward to! Thanks for the welcome to the Owners group and the kind gesture of allowing me to audition your system.

I look forward to tweaking and comparing with you what we can do with our setups. Truthfully the system was impressive enough I don't think it took more demonstration than you gave me. Awesome sound! :)

Thanks Mark.... we'll see what happens with it now that I got those Dual 15" TC-2000 (http://www.tcsounds.com/tc2000.htm) 's. I'll be tryin my hand at DIY.....

The sound quality is supposed to be as good as F113's, but with greater output...

Can't wait....


I look forward to the invite to your place once your system is finished, and I get the trial run.... :)

Well....I just became a member of the Paradigm family. I pulled the trigger on a complete 7 channel set up (I kept my subs). S8 fronts...S4 rears....C5 center ....and ADP3 for the sides. Should get them in by early next week....just in time to start 3 weeks of vacation. I don't think the wife will let me stay in the HT room for 3 weeks though.

Life is good.

Based on the wording in that FAQ it seems they are not recommending ceiling mount... as they conspicuously didn't mention that option. However Oztech said:



He didn't elaborate so I'm not sure what that opinion is based upon.


See, Warpdrv had to throw a wrench in the works today when I stopped by his place to check out his sweeeet setup. :) He showed me his ADP and demonstrated how the mounting was designed to work... let's just say it's less than I would have hoped for!

It's clear he's thought about this a hell of a lot more than me because he pointed out that "ceiling mount" can be interpreted two very different ways (or maybe even more).

The first "ceiling mount" is where you hang a piece of metal at 90 degrees to the ceiling and then mount the speaker to that "pseudo wall" facing such that the largest (center speaker) sound is fired across the room just like if you placed a bookshelf speaker on a shelf.

The second "ceiling mount" is different. It's where you mount the back of the speaker flush to the ceiling such that the largest (center speaker) is firing straight down like a typical in-ceiling mounted speaker.

Both methods result in the side speakers (outer) firing forward and back in the room. However, one mount results in the "null" facing down and the other facing towards it's matched pair.

It's unclear which, if either is acceptable but I intend to get to the bottom of it! :D

My situation is slightly different. I have a vaulted ceiling, so by mounting the speaker flush to the ceiling, they are actualy slanted at about a 30 degree angle.
It would be the same as flush mounting them to the wall then tilting them down.
I'm not afraid of drilling holes in my walls or ceilings, so when the speakers come I
will try both.

Well....I just became a member of the Paradigm family. I pulled the trigger on a complete 7 channel set up (I kept my subs). S8 fronts...S4 rears....C5 center ....and ADP3 for the sides. Should get them in by early next week....just in time to start 3 weeks of vacation. I don't think the wife will let me stay in the HT room for 3 weeks though.

Life is good.
congratulations on an excellent speaker selection i bet the smiles will be there a long
time. curious what sub did you match with this system.

Thanks.......

I have 4 subs......2 Servo 15s handling left and right bass. These are located in the front of the room on each sidewall.


And I have 2 subs handling LFE....one on the left front wall which is an Energy 18eXL and one Mirage BPS 400 at the rear of the room in the middle of the back wall.

The Lex is very flexible when it comes to bass management.

Oh and by the way I did not know that there is now a V2 version of the signature line....all the speakers.

I just purchased the following 7.1 setup and I can't wait to hear them:

Monitor 11s
CC-390
ADP-390 surrounds

I have a 17' x 20' room for my theater and I ran all of the speaker wires while they were building the house. Now I have to break the cables out of the walls and terminate them.

For the side and rear surrounds, at what height should I mount the speakers? (so I know where to bring the speaker cable out of the wall) My ceiling height is 10' at the center of the room, but is 9'6" at the walls. My guess is at about 8' but I wanted to get some opinions before I start poking holes in my wall !!

In addition, any recommended mounts for the ADPs?

Thanks!!!!

Thanks.......

I have 4 subs......2 Servo 15s handling left and right bass. These are located in the front of the room on each sidewall.


And I have 2 subs handling LFE....one on the left front wall which is an Energy 18eXL and one Mirage BPS 400 at the rear of the room in the middle of the back wall.

The Lex is very flexible when it comes to bass management.
ok now i am jealous.

I just purchased the following 7.1 setup and I can't wait to hear them:

Monitor 11s
CC-390
ADP-390 surrounds

I have a 17' x 20' room for my theater and I ran all of the speaker wires while they were building the house. Now I have to break the cables out of the walls and terminate them.

For the side and rear surrounds, at what height should I mount the speakers? (so I know where to bring the speaker cable out of the wall) My ceiling height is 10' at the center of the room, but is 9'6" at the walls. My guess is at about 8' but I wanted to get some opinions before I start poking holes in my wall !!

In addition, any recommended mounts for the ADPs?

Thanks!!!!
how close are you seated to the back and side walls.

I just purchased the following 7.1 setup and I can't wait to hear them:

Monitor 11s
CC-390
ADP-390 surrounds

I have a 17' x 20' room for my theater and I ran all of the speaker wires while they were building the house. Now I have to break the cables out of the walls and terminate them.

For the side and rear surrounds, at what height should I mount the speakers? (so I know where to bring the speaker cable out of the wall) My ceiling height is 10' at the center of the room, but is 9'6" at the walls. My guess is at about 8' but I wanted to get some opinions before I start poking holes in my wall !!

In addition, any recommended mounts for the ADPs?

Thanks!!!!

Mine are mounted at about 6.5 feet (8 foot ceiling). The rule of thumb is about 2 feet over the head of a seated listener. A typical seated listener is about 4 feet. So anywher from 6 to 7 feet I would think. Here's what they look like:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/leftside.jpg

how close are you seated to the back and side walls.

I don't have the seating in yet, but I would guess it will be about 3-4' from the side walls and somewhere around 6-8' from the rear walls.


Thanks for the pic casear.

I have Monitor 5's as mains, the CC370, 2 PDR 12's for Subs and 2 Titans for rears (though I may upgrade to the ADP 390s. My Denon 2807 "Audyssey" setup repeatedly reports that I should set my Monitor 5's as "large". Do any of you see any circumstances where this could be the correct setup? The Audyssey technology is generally considered excellent and I don't want to discount the findings out of hand, without some input from those of you who are knowledgeable. BTW, I'm in a relatively large room that actually opens to a 2nd floor loft on one side wall, and there's a valulted ceiling as well.!!!!! Thanks. :)

I have Monitor 5's as mains, the CC370, 2 PDR 12's for Subs and 2 Titans for rears (though I may upgrade to the ADP 390s. My Denon 2807 "Audyssey" setup repeatedly reports that I should set my Monitor 5's as "large". Do any of you see any circumstances where this could be the correct setup? The Audyssey technology is generally considered excellent and I don't want to discount the findings out of hand, without some input from those of you who are knowledgeable. BTW, I'm in a relatively large room that actually opens to a 2nd floor loft on one side wall, and there's a valulted ceiling as well.!!!!! Thanks. :)

Substitute the word Denon for Onkyo in this email from Audyssey's CTO -- and you'll have your answer:


----------------------------

The decision on whether a speaker is found to be Large or Small is made by the manufacturer and not by Audyssey. MultEQ XT finds the -3 dB point of the speaker as it is performing in the room. This is usually different from what the manufacturer specs because of room interactions. For example, a speaker closer to the wall will typically have some low frequency extension below the anechoic spec.


In your case, Onkyo decided to use 80 Hz as the decision point for Large and Small. This is not uncommon and it comes from the THX specification. However, the THX spec was intended for those with THX speakers that are required to have an 80 Hz crossover to the sub. So, for those with other speakers this can sometimes cause confusion.


The solution is quite simple: simply change the speakers to Small manually after calibration is concluded.


We are working with all of the Audyssey licensees to have them change the decision point for Large and Small to 40 Hz, but this will not start showing up until later this year or next year. Following the simple step above solves your issue with no compromise in quality and lets you enjoy the full benefits of MultEQ XT.


Now, regarding the SPL question. The microphone that Onkyo uses has a correction curve designed by Audyssey that fixes any deviations from flat response that the mic may have. The mics are pretty uniform in their response so a single correction curve works quite well for them. However,....the mics are not so uniform when it comes to sensitivity. That means that some measure higher SPL than others. So, it is impossible to calibrate to absolute reference level because we do not know the sensitivity of each microphone individually. We can calibrate each speaker to the same level as every other speaker (that is done through the automatic setting of level trims), but to get the internal test noise to play at 75 dB (measured with the SPL meter set to C-weighting and Slow) you have to either turn the trims up manually or set the master volume control higher.


I hope this helps answer your questions. Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.


Best regards,
Chris

______________________
Chris Kyriakakis
Founder and Chief Technology Officer
Audyssey Laboratories
http://www.audyssey.com

Thanks Chris for that great insite into the design idea's and thoughts.....

Interesting the move to lower the THX crossover settings to 40 hz ehh.....
What are the other x-over point increments My reciever is 60, 80, 100, 120

There are not alot of speakers that are designed to even play that low... even high end speakers... just a quick look at the Paradigm Signature S8's

Frequency Response: On-Axis ........................ 30° Off-Axis
±2 dB from 42 Hz - 45 kHz ....................... ±2 dB from 42 Hz - 20 kHz

i dont know too much about paradigms, but ive heard many good things about them. i'm actually in the market for a pair of studio monitor speakers, and ive heard that paradigm makes a worthy pair. can anyone give me some more info about these? does anyone have any personal experiences with these in the studio? I'm looking for something in the 400$ range, and i mix alot of bass heavy stuff. any suggestions?

My situation is slightly different. I have a vaulted ceiling, so by mounting the speaker flush to the ceiling, they are actualy slanted at about a 30 degree angle.
It would be the same as flush mounting them to the wall then tilting them down.
I'm not afraid of drilling holes in my walls or ceilings, so when the speakers come I
will try both.
Yes, and that's yet another version of the "ceiling mount." I'll be looking forward to hear how the mounting and results turn out. My speakers won't be here and installed for a few weeks so I'm hoping to benefit from your trials (and hopefully not errors). :)

After talking to my dealer it appears that any ceiling mount of the adp's will have to be a custom job since Paradigm doesn't make one.

i dont know too much about paradigms, but ive heard many good things about them. i'm actually in the market for a pair of studio monitor speakers, and ive heard that paradigm makes a worthy pair. can anyone give me some more info about these? does anyone have any personal experiences with these in the studio? I'm looking for something in the 400$ range, and i mix alot of bass heavy stuff. any suggestions?

The cheapest Pardigm 'Studio' model are the 20's, about $800pr. They will not have heavy bass (1x 7" woofer each speaker) ...you will need an additional sub.

The only way you will get a lot of low end for cheap (and still have a nice mid-range and top end) is with a sub and satellites, but you will have to spend a LOT of time setting up the sub to blend well with the satellites...not to mention your room will probably have problem nodes in the low end that will have to be addressed.

Fleaman

I just purchased the following 7.1 setup and I can't wait to hear them:

Monitor 11s
CC-390
ADP-390 surrounds

I have a 17' x 20' room for my theater and I ran all of the speaker wires while they were building the house. Now I have to break the cables out of the walls and terminate them.

For the side and rear surrounds, at what height should I mount the speakers? (so I know where to bring the speaker cable out of the wall) My ceiling height is 10' at the center of the room, but is 9'6" at the walls. My guess is at about 8' but I wanted to get some opinions before I start poking holes in my wall !!

In addition, any recommended mounts for the ADPs?

Thanks!!!!

Second the thought of 2 to 3 feet above the ears. So around 6 feet or so.

As far as mounts, why not just use the mounting plate on the wall?

BTW, nice setup, I have the exact same thing, but 5.1 only.

Second the thought of 2 to 3 feet above the ears. So around 6 feet or so.

As far as mounts, why not just use the mounting plate on the wall?

BTW, nice setup, I have the exact same thing, but 5.1 only.
I agree with the height you guys recommend... the mounting plate I saw is very limited as far as how you can mount but it makes sense if your doing a standard mount on the side of the wall.

It is not included with the adp's so make sure to order them if you intend to use.

Thanks for the tips guys. I appreciate it!!

Main: Monitor 9s
Center: CC-370

Black Ash
Fronts: Studio 100's/spiked gold feet
Rears: Studio 40's
Center: Studio CC
Sub: Servo 15/spiked gold feet/x-20 control

Pioneer Elite VSX 26TX/THX 100 watts per
Pioneer VSX-9500S/125 watts per
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Hitachi Rear Projection TV 50UX23K
Echostar Receiver 4000
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APC Backup BX1300 LCD

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Accoustics improved by Mexican blankets/floor length draps/thermal backing


I have been in an upgrade mode for 15 years. I enjoy.
Great forum! Thanks

I dropped this post in the Yamaha owners thrread in the AMP/Receiver section but I'd like to heard what any other Paradigm owners have to say about my issue as well......

I need some advice on connecting my Paradigm reference speakers up properly to my Yamaha RXV-2700. Normally this kind of thing is a no-brainer for me but I recently bought a set of Paradigm Studio Speakers and bi-wired them up to the RXV-2700 but when I went through the auto configuration it told me that I had a number of speakers hooked up in reverse. Through various wiring configuations I was able to get the AMP to finally get through the auto configuration successfully although some of my speakers were technically now wired with the wrong polarity.

My question is whom do I trust...............the RXV-2700's Autoconfiguration routine or Paradigms speaker connection diagrams and my own know how? Will there be any long term damage to the speakers if I leave them hooked up in this configuration to keep the AMP happy so to speak?

Any suggestions??

Paradigm Reference Series (V4)

Mains: Studio 100's
Center: CC-690
Side Surrounds: ADP-590
Rear Surrounds: Studio 20's
Sub: Servo 15 v2

loss of bass will result from out of phase a test disc will tell you if a speaker is out of phase
digital video essentials and avia or 2 i can recommend right off the bat.not sure why
you biwired them but are you sure you got + going to + and - going to -.

Hi guys:
I have $2500 to spend on speakers to be paired with an Onkyo 905b. The room size 11' by 13. These will be my first set of "real" speakers. Seeing the solid customer base and reviews for Paradigms, I was wondering if any one had any suggestions to a good package for HD and audio listening. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :)
Have a Great Day
Fred

Hi guys:
I have $2500 to spend on speakers to be paired with an Onkyo 905b. The room size 11' by 13. These will be my first set of "real" speakers. Seeing the solid customer base and reviews for Paradigms, I was wondering if any one had any suggestions to a good package for HD and audio listening. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :)
Have a Great Day
Fred

2 channel, 5.1 or 7.1?

You can get a nice 5.1 system for exactly $2500. I just did.
Paradigm Monitor 11's Front
Paradigm CC-390 Center
Paradigm ADP-390 Surrounds

If you have $2500 for just 2 speakers, than definitely go up to the studio series.

2 channel, 5.1 or 7.1?

You can get a nice 5.1 system for exactly $2500. I just did.
Paradigm Monitor 11's Front
Paradigm CC-390 Center
Paradigm ADP-390 Surrounds

If you have $2500 for just 2 speakers, than definitely go up to the studio series.

Thanks for the quick reply! Those look awesome! No I'm not rolling in enough money to pick up a pair of studios. It will be a 5.1 setup for the interim, but will definitely be used for music . As i said, first pair of "real" speakers. Those would seem to go a long way for $2500 though. Thank you for your help!
Fred

Paradigm Monitor 11's Front
Paradigm CC-390 Center
Paradigm ADP-390 Surrounds


That would be a very nice setup

I dropped this post in the Yamaha owners thrread in the AMP/Receiver section but I'd like to heard what any other Paradigm owners have to say about my issue as well......

I need some advice on connecting my Paradigm reference speakers up properly to my Yamaha RXV-2700. Normally this kind of thing is a no-brainer for me but I recently bought a set of Paradigm Studio Speakers and bi-wired them up to the RXV-2700 but when I went through the auto configuration it told me that I had a number of speakers hooked up in reverse. Through various wiring configuations I was able to get the AMP to finally get through the auto configuration successfully although some of my speakers were technically now wired with the wrong polarity.

My question is whom do I trust...............the RXV-2700's Autoconfiguration routine or Paradigms speaker connection diagrams and my own know how? Will there be any long term damage to the speakers if I leave them hooked up in this configuration to keep the AMP happy so to speak?

Any suggestions??

Paradigm Reference Series (V4)

Mains: Studio 100's
Center: CC-690
Side Surrounds: ADP-590
Rear Surrounds: Studio 20's
Sub: Servo 15 v2
I'm not sure how the speaker manual would tell you to bi-wire. To bi-wire you simply run a set of speaker wires, as normal, to the HF inputs and a set of wires, as normal, to the LF inputs, both from the same binding posts on your amp. Make sure you remove the jumpers on the speakers.

That would be a very nice setup

I agree. This set up will be far better than most.

2 channel, 5.1 or 7.1?

You can get a nice 5.1 system for exactly $2500. I just did.
Paradigm Monitor 11's Front
Paradigm CC-390 Center
Paradigm ADP-390 Surrounds

If you have $2500 for just 2 speakers, than definitely go up to the studio series.
Forget the ADPs, go with some Atoms or Minis.
Drop to the 9s from the 11s.
Go with a 290 instead of the 390.

Then you can get a sub like a PW2100 for not too much more.

Nuthed, do not trust the auto features of your reciever. They provide a great place to start, but should never overide common sense. Be very careful and check your wires, AND your amp wires.

Nuthed, do not trust the auto features of your reciever. They provide a great place to start, but should never overide common sense. Be very careful and check your wires, AND your amp wires.
You must have posted this for kylnor, I was replying to him. But I have never heard of a receiver identifying a speaker as out of phase when it was in phase. My bet is on a wrong wire someplace.

If however he did what I posted in post #5111, then he can disregard what his receiver tells him.

You must have posted this for kylnor, I was replying to him. But I have never heard of a receiver identifying a speaker as out of phase when it was in phase. My bet is on a wrong wire someplace.

If however he did what I posted in post #5111, then he can disregard what his receiver tells him.

My jumper bars have definetly been discnnected and I have wired them up as you described with one connection at the AMP and then the seperate LF & HF connections at the speaker. I was using Ultralink color coded (Red+/Blk-) bi-wire cable so as long as the color code on the speakers & AMP is correct then it should be a no-brainer. That's how I had configuration prior to the AMP's auto config test but then the error came up so I switched things around to make the AMP happy. Just as a side note are the LF connections the bottom pair of connectors & the HF connection the top pair?

My inclination would be to trust my own judgement here but I wanted to see if anyone else had run into this issue. It does say in the manual somewhere that the error message could come up even if things are hooked up properly depending on the type of speakers...............I guess mine fall into that catagory.

I have never heard of a receiver identifying a speaker as out of phase when it was in phase. My bet is on a wrong wire someplace.
I've gotten out of phase indicators when running Auto-EQ with my Denon 3805. A lot of owners of the Denon have gotten this when using bi/dipole surrounds. I checked all of the connections, re-ran it and it was fine. I don't know if it's misdetecting reflections or what, but it seemed to resolve itself by running the setup a couple of times.

J.

I dropped this post in the Yamaha owners thrread in the AMP/Receiver section but I'd like to heard what any other Paradigm owners have to say about my issue as well......

I need some advice on connecting my Paradigm reference speakers up properly to my Yamaha RXV-2700. Normally this kind of thing is a no-brainer for me but I recently bought a set of Paradigm Studio Speakers and bi-wired them up to the RXV-2700 but when I went through the auto configuration it told me that I had a number of speakers hooked up in reverse. Through various wiring configuations I was able to get the AMP to finally get through the auto configuration successfully although some of my speakers were technically now wired with the wrong polarity.

My question is whom do I trust...............the RXV-2700's Autoconfiguration routine or Paradigms speaker connection diagrams and my own know how? Will there be any long term damage to the speakers if I leave them hooked up in this configuration to keep the AMP happy so to speak?

Any suggestions??

Paradigm Reference Series (V4)

Mains: Studio 100's
Center: CC-690
Side Surrounds: ADP-590
Rear Surrounds: Studio 20's
Sub: Servo 15 v2

Somewhere in the Yamaha thread , theres something mentioned about it wrongly detecting the speakers out of phase. I couldn't find it but I remember seeing it.

Check out my pics of my new CC-390

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11253972&&#post11253972

Congrats, now you can burn that piece of crap sitting on top of it!! :)

Congrats, now you can burn that piece of crap sitting on top of it!! :)


I'm maybe going to use it, for a rear in a 6.1 setup.

I've gotten out of phase indicators when running Auto-EQ with my Denon 3805. A lot of owners of the Denon have gotten this when using bi/dipole surrounds. I checked all of the connections, re-ran it and it was fine. I don't know if it's misdetecting reflections or what, but it seemed to resolve itself by running the setup a couple of times.

J.
I never thought about that, it detecting reflections. :eek:

I never thought about that, it detecting reflections. :eek:
one of the drivers are wired out of phase in those surrounds deliberately so the unit
would pick that up right.

I feel dumb for asking this....I just got my Studio 100's and there are 2 sets of speakers connections on the back. Do I run the speaker wire into the top set or the bottom set? I have it in the bottom set right now and the sound is pretty hollow sounding. Doesn't seem like there is much high range at all. I am using a Denon 3805 to power them right now. It might now be enough power, then again, they might need to be broken in. Any thoughts?

I feel dumb for asking this....I just got my Studio 100's and there are 2 sets of speakers connections on the back. Do I run the speaker wire into the top set or the bottom set? I have it in the bottom set right now and the sound is pretty hollow sounding. Doesn't seem like there is much high range at all. I am using a Denon 3805 to power them right now. It might now be enough power, then again, they might need to be broken in. Any thoughts?
as long as the straps connecting the posts are intact and tight it does not matter
not sure what the hollow problem is but to play it loud you will need more power
than the 3805.

Yeah, doesn't sound like you have the jumper straps between the top and bottom posts connected....

Got my "new" 390, with NO dents or scratches today. Unpacking the beast twice has kinda made it worth while. Like 2 Xmas in one. :) :cool:

Got my "new" 390, with NO dents or scratches today. Unpacking the beast twice has kinda made it worth while. Like 2 Xmas in one. :) :cool:
congratulations and i bet it sounds great what is that beast resting on or how did
you integrate it in your system.

correct. I was wondering what those gold things were....I just put them on the floor next to the speakers. I thought it was something to prevent them from breaking during shipment! : ) I'll have to put them back on when i get back home...

thanks for the help.

correct. I was wondering what those gold things were....I just put them on the floor next to the speakers. I thought it was something to prevent them from breaking during shipment! : ) I'll have to put them back on when i get back home...

thanks for the help.
once you reattach the straps and have all the drivers working you should be happy.

do the gold straps go on first, then put the speaker wire over them or does the speaker wire go on first, then the gold straps? I just put the straps on, but it was just over the speaker wire. I thought this might be the opposite of what needs to happen. (if it even matters)

do the gold straps go on first, then put the speaker wire over them or does the speaker wire go on first, then the gold straps? I just put the straps on, but it was just over the speaker wire. I thought this might be the opposite of what needs to happen. (if it even matters)

It does matter.

Gold straps 1st, then speaker wire. That way, when you screw the posts down the speaker wire is sandwiched between the strap and the post nut...fits better with the most contact surface area. Actually, it would still work the other way, just not good practice.

Once you have that hooked up, your mids and tweeters will work again! Before there was no pwr going to them! All you were getting was the lower woofers working...all bass, no mids/highs.

Fleaman

And we have lift off! Thanks, I put the gold things on first, then speaker wire and they sound great! A huge step up from my Polk R50's...Now I need to talk the wife into letting me get the cc690. She was already freaked out about the size of it when we went to audition the Studio 100's.

congratulations and i bet it sounds great what is that beast resting on or how did
you integrate it in your system.

It sounds great, I find myself listening to music in Dolby ProLogic II "Movie Mode" instead of "Music Mode". Movie mode sends more info to the center. That way I can hear the BEAST. It's drowning out my mains in clarity. Duh. :p

I also had to lower my reference level from -15db to -17db to accommodate the center. When doing the setup to 75db with the avr's test tones, the chan levels didnt go low or high enough. If that makes sense.

Heres some new pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11269487&&#post11269487

And we have lift off! Thanks, I put the gold things on first, then speaker wire and they sound great! A huge step up from my Polk R50's...Now I need to talk the wife into letting me get the cc690. She was already freaked out about the size of it when we went to audition the Studio 100's.

Congrats on your purchase! Just buy the 690 and bring it home, that way you can say to her that its to big to bring back....to much trouble, its just easier to keep it. :p

Congrats on the 390 Pain, I couldn't see myself going to the 290 either after the 390 :D.

I also agree about picking up the 690 Fargus, its always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission! (Then again it is always easy to comment on the fight when you are not in it hehe)

correct. I was wondering what those gold things were....I just put them on the floor next to the speakers. I thought it was something to prevent them from breaking during shipment! : ) I'll have to put them back on when i get back home...

thanks for the help.


For some reason ( I really don't know why ), but I think my speakers sound better when the speaker wire is put into the top speaker plugs. I know they are tied together, but when I tried both, the top sounded better. Again, don't know why.

For some reason ( I really don't know why ), but I think my speakers sound better when the speaker wire is put into the top speaker plugs. I know they are tied together, but when I tried both, the top sounded better. Again, don't know why.
then a connection problem still exists.

And we have lift off! Thanks, I put the gold things on first, then speaker wire and they sound great! A huge step up from my Polk R50's...Now I need to talk the wife into letting me get the cc690. She was already freaked out about the size of it when we went to audition the Studio 100's.

I have recently purchased the 100's and a 690. Great sounding combo.

It has been said many, many times on this forum,

"It's easier to ask for forgiveness, than permission!"

My wife love's our home theater. She has grown to understand what the
"things" all around the room do. FIght the urge to throw in War of the Worlds
or Alien, and play a movie she would like. Maybe something with some music.
I'll be by the end she will be saying "wow, your right, that really does sound good"

For some reason ( I really don't know why ), but I think my speakers sound better when the speaker wire is put into the top speaker plugs. I know they are tied together, but when I tried both, the top sounded better. Again, don't know why.

If the gold straps are properly installed and your binding posts are tight, connecting your speaker wire to either the top or bottom will make no difference. If the sound of your speaker changes moving your wires from top to bottom, you have something hooked up wrong. *EDIT - Or there is something wrong with your speaker*

If the gold straps are properly installed and you binding posts are tight, connecting your speaker wire to either the top or bottom will make no difference. If the sound of your speaker changes moving your wires from top to bottom, you have something hooked up wrong.

Correct Correct Correct!!

It sounds great, I find myself listening to music in Dolby ProLogic II "Movie Mode" instead of "Music Mode". Movie mode sends more info to the center. This is not exactly true. The Music mode has 3 adjustable paramaters. One of them is width. The extremes of the width parameter send all the mono component to either the center speaker or just to left and right. I believe that the middle position equals the movie mode.

Ed

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/wow.gif I bought my Studio 40 V3 brand new for $800 about 4 years ago and I'm thrilled. But now, the prices have gone dramatically up!

I know. 4 years ago everything was a little cheaper.

Glad I have the Studio V3 all around. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/woot.gif

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/wow.gif I bought my Studio 40 V3 brand new for $800 about 4 years ago and I'm thrilled. But now, the prices have gone dramatically up!

I know. 4 years ago everything was a little cheaper.

Glad I have the Studio V3 all around. http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o258/slide51k/woot.gif

:confused:

What point are you trying to make?

This is not exactly true. The Music mode has 3 adjustable paramaters. One of them is width. The extremes of the width parameter send all the mono component to either the center speaker or just to left and right. I believe that the middle position equals the movie mode.

Ed

I missed a couple of words in there....."Movie mode SEEMS to send more info to the center.

I missed a couple of words in there....."Movie mode SEEMS to send more info to the center.My point was that if you are comparing movie mode to music mode, it depends on what setting your width paramter is set at. It can easily be the other way around.

Ed

Does 12AWG cables work well with Paradigm studio Speakers? (100s, CC690, ADP590)... I am looking for speaker cables and found this (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=100-155&CFID=3573703&CFTOKEN=96215806) which was recommended by several people/reviews. I had heard that at a certain point,the cable gets so large in diameter that it no longer fits in the speaker.

Just wondering if this will cause problems for me. Thanks in advance!

Does 12AWG cables work well with Paradigm studio Speakers? (100s, CC690, ADP590)... I am looking for speaker cables and found this (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=100-155&CFID=3573703&CFTOKEN=96215806) which was recommended by several people/reviews. I had heard that at a certain point,the cable gets so large in diameter that it no longer fits in the speaker.

Just wondering if this will cause problems for me. Thanks in advance!

12 gauge will work just fine. You could probably even go 10AWG. Terminate either with bananas or spade for an easy connection. I prefer bananas, but spades will give you more contact area at the speaker terminal. Bare wire is fine too, especially if you don't think you will do much connecting / disconnecting.

Get some locking banana plugs or spades that will: 1. fit the posts on the speaker, and 2. accept 10 gauge wire.

Go to www.bluejeanscable.com and get some of their 10 gauge Belden speaker wire. That stuff is awesome and not terribly expensive considering the thickness.

Great write up on that cable at Audioholics. Works like a champ.

Get some locking banana plugs or spades that will: 1. fit the posts on the speaker, and 2. accept 10 gauge wire.

Go to www.bluejeanscable.com and get some of their 10 gauge Belden speaker wire. That stuff is awesome and not terribly expensive considering the thickness.

Great write up on that cable at Audioholics. Works like a champ.

This stuff? Belden 5T00UP.. I am assuming the jacket color is just for cosmetics? I am asking since the white seems to be more expensive then the gray... Any reason why??? any way to get clear???

Get some locking banana plugs or spades that will: 1. fit the posts on the speaker, and 2. accept 10 gauge wire.

Go to www.bluejeanscable.com and get some of their 10 gauge Belden speaker wire. That stuff is awesome and not terribly expensive considering the thickness.

Great write up on that cable at Audioholics. Works like a champ.
it worked for me.

Get some locking banana plugs or spades that will: 1. fit the posts on the speaker, and 2. accept 10 gauge wire.

Go to www.bluejeanscable.com and get some of their 10 gauge Belden speaker wire. That stuff is awesome and not terribly expensive considering the thickness.

Great write up on that cable at Audioholics. Works like a champ.


I just received my order from BlueJeansCable this Thursday for the same setup as BabelFish, Studio V4 setup..

Except I did 10 gauge for fronts & centers, and 12 gauge for ADP'S due to in wall wire install for surrounds.

I ordered them raw and plan to terminate myself..

What do you think about these connectors and this brand.. Trusthworthy? Or No?

http://www.speakerrepair.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BL10&Category_Code=locking

http://www.cobaltcable.com/loose_locking_banana_plugs.htm#

Any preferences between the two? Price seems right and WBT connectors just seem a little TOO expensive..

the price seems to be right on the cobalt i used monster but wanted wbt since they are the
best but the price was a little too steep.

This stuff? Belden 5T00UP.. I am assuming the jacket color is just for cosmetics? I am asking since the white seems to be more expensive then the gray... Any reason why??? any way to get clear???


Some people like white more that's why it's more expensive.

However, if you are running it in-wall then it shouldn't matter.

If the wiring for the fronts is exposed then you can always get a little black plastic wire meshing and heat shrink tubing to make the cable look more professional.

The WBT terminators look great, but SPENDY as all heck. Anyone have any other suggestions?

I know for locking bananas the ones at Blue Jeans Cable are good quality and much cheaper than the links above.

Only trouble with these things are the metal on metal parts. You can easily short out your equipment if you forget to turn off the power and touch the + and - together.

I'm surprised they don't put rubber grips over the metal sheathing.

The WBT terminators look great, but SPENDY as all heck. Anyone have any other suggestions?

Mine, from 2 posts above yours.. :rolleyes:

http://www.speakerrepair.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BL10&Category_Code=locking

http://www.cobaltcable.com/loose_locking_banana_plugs.htm#

Anyone have experience with these Brands? Any good reviews or horror stories using these connectors?

I just received my order from BlueJeansCable this Thursday for the same setup as BabelFish, Studio V4 setup..

Except I did 10 gauge for fronts & centers, and 12 gauge for ADP'S due to in wall wire install for surrounds.

I ordered them raw and plan to terminate myself..

What do you think about these connectors and this brand.. Trusthworthy? Or No?

http://www.speakerrepair.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=BL10&Category_Code=locking

http://www.cobaltcable.com/loose_locking_banana_plugs.htm#

Any preferences between the two? Price seems right and WBT connectors just seem a little TOO expensive..

why 12 for inwall?? Is that some law or something??

The fronts and center will be exposed and the surrounds and rears are wall mounts.. I will also have some in ceiling speakers in the future for zone 2 and zone 3 (most likely Paradigm also)... Can the ADP not handle the 10Guage?

Can someone explain the drawbacks of using banana plugs? Someone at the store was trying to tell me that when I use them (the ones that I put on myself), that they weaken the signal since it is adding another connection between the cable and the speaker... (Similar to cutting a coax cable and adding a connector in between.. each connection loses some db).. thanks!!

I ammended my reply above yours.

Some people like white more that's why it's more expensive.

However, if you are running it in-wall then it shouldn't matter.

If the wiring for the fronts is exposed then you can always get a little black plastic wire meshing and heat shrink tubing to make the cable look more professional.

The WBT terminators look great, but SPENDY as all heck. Anyone have any other suggestions?

I know for locking bananas the ones at Blue Jeans Cable are good quality and much cheaper than the links above.

Only trouble with these things are the metal on metal parts. You can easily short out your equipment if you forget to turn off the power and touch the + and - together.

I'm surprised they don't put rubber grips over the metal sheathing.


I also see that you can order custom length cables from BlueJean.. the only problem is that I dont really know how long I want/need because the room configuration might change from time to time (wife thing).. I dont have a dedicated room...

I was wanting to get a spool of wire and add the banana plugs myself.. Where do you get the black plastic from?? I really like the custom length cables from BJC.. They look really professional..

why 12 for inwall?? Is that some law or something??

No Law, but based on the research I decided 10 gauge would be overkill for surrounds rated at nominal 130wpc for an approximate distance of 25feet (my use) and 12 gauge would be easier to route.

http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/ISEO-rgbtcspd/learningcenter/home/speakers_wire.html

http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.com/home-theater-wiring.html#Speaker%20Wire%20Gauge%20-%20What%20is%20the%20required%20wire%20thickness?


The fronts and center will be exposed and the surrounds and rears are wall mounts.. I will also have some in ceiling speakers in the future for zone 2 and zone 3 (most likely Paradigm also)... Can the ADP not handle the 10Guage?

I believe the ADPs could handle the 10 gauge so really its your choice..


Can someone explain the drawbacks of using banana plugs? Someone at the store was trying to tell me that when I use them (the ones that I put on myself), that they weaken the signal since it is adding another connection between the cable and the speaker... (Similar to cutting a coax cable and adding a connector in between.. each connection loses some db).. thanks!!

This sounds like snake oil to me.. Be wary..

I ammended my reply above yours.

:D ;)

I also see that you can order custom length cables from BlueJean.. the only problem is that I dont really know how long I want/need because the room configuration might change from time to time (wife thing).. I dont have a dedicated room...

I was wanting to get a spool of wire and add the banana plugs myself.. Where do you get the black plastic from?? I really like the custom length cables from BJC.. They look really professional..

I agree.. I ordered the BJC belden wire and plan to terminate and *beautify* myself.. All you need are Locking Banana connectors, mesh wire sleeving, heat shrink tubing, some TLC and walla.. Nice Looking HT cables. for a fraction of the cost..

Although more time consuming than ready made cables. I decided to spend the extra on a rotel 1095 amp for my paradigms and make my own cables..

Spend the money were it counts! ;)

so what do people normally do? Do you buy just the lengths that you need or do you buy a spool and put the banana plugs on yourself?

Sorry if i posted this in the wrong section: I didn't want to post in the AMP section cause i'm looking for Paradigm Studio owners with these AMP.

which Amp?
Anthem statement P5 or Earthquake cinenova 7

here is my current system:
Mains: Studio 100's v4
Center: CC-690
Surrounds: millenia 20 or ADP 590(future)
Sub: SVS pb12-ultra

Please post comment if you are using these AMP with similar setup as mine.

thanks,
Mike

I have the Anthem A5... the P5 is a beast.. :)

so what do people normally do? Do you buy just the lengths that you need or do you buy a spool and put the banana plugs on yourself?

Buy the spool

http://www.physics.berkeley.edu/research/price/solarz/spool.jpeg

when your done its like a trophy :p :rolleyes:

Sorry if i posted this in the wrong section: I didn't want to post in the AMP section cause i'm looking for Paradigm Studio owners with these AMP.

which Amp?
Anthem statement P5 or Earthquake cinenova 7

here is my current system:
Mains: Studio 100's v4
Center: CC-690
Surrounds: millenia 20 or ADP 590(future)
Sub: SVS pb12-ultra

Please post comment if you are using these AMP with similar setup as mine.

thanks,
Mike
the p5

I also see that you can order custom length cables from BlueJean.. the only problem is that I dont really know how long I want/need because the room configuration might change from time to time (wife thing).. I dont have a dedicated room...

I was wanting to get a spool of wire and add the banana plugs myself.. Where do you get the black plastic from?? I really like the custom length cables from BJC.. They look really professional..

All of your DIY cable sleeving needs can be met here.

http://cableorganizer.com/

This thread (supposedly about Paradigm speakers/owners) barely resembles such. Please consider taking receivers and cable, and speaker wire in a more appropriate area. You will find more info and relieve others from varied topics.

This thread (supposedly about Paradigm speakers/owners) barely resembles such. Please consider taking receivers and cable, and speaker wire in a more appropriate area. You will find more info and relieve others from varied topics.

lol.. relax my friend :) my original question was whether the 10 guage cable will work with the paradigm speakers. that's why it was on this thread. I'm sorry if that upset you. take care.

This thread (supposedly about Paradigm speakers/owners) barely resembles such. Please consider taking receivers and cable, and speaker wire in a more appropriate area. You will find more info and relieve others from varied topics.

What Paradigms do you own?

Sorry if i posted this in the wrong section: I didn't want to post in the AMP section cause i'm looking for Paradigm Studio owners with these AMP.

which Amp?
Anthem statement P5 or Earthquake cinenova 7

here is my current system:
Mains: Studio 100's v4
Center: CC-690
Surrounds: millenia 20 or ADP 590(future)
Sub: SVS pb12-ultra

Please post comment if you are using these AMP with similar setup as mine.

thanks,
Mike

I'd recommend the p5 as well. That is my amp and I love it...although I don't have any side by side comparison's with the cinenova 7, it sounds awesome. Beware though, the thing is an absolute beast. On another note, I probably could have easily gotten away with a smaller amp.

so what do people normally do? Do you buy just the lengths that you need or do you buy a spool and put the banana plugs on yourself?

Wire gauge is determined by the length of the run. I buy by the foot, with a little extra to boot. Liberty UltraCap 12/4 on the L/C/Rs, 14/4 on the ADPs. CL3 rated for in wall use. Depending on how much you want to spend on the wire, ending up with extra on the spool that you may never use and can't return doesn't make much sense.

I use diy crimp-on spade connectors, they are easier to install then bananas (wire to connector). If you want to go with bananas, try to find some that will expand and lock into the binding post. IMHO, bananas are great for dealers, but really, how many times are you going to connect/disconnect the wires? BTW, if you go with spades, Paradigms take the larger 5/16" size. The "audiophile" augment is you want an airtight connection, to prevent corrosion...I won't go there. :)

Funny observation about BJC. I've ordered from them quite a few times over the years, always been fast, excellent service. First time was 4 years ago, at that time they were using off the shelf wire and materials. Their site was literally a diyer's dream, one could use their recipes, buy the materials cheaper elsewhere and build you own. Now I've notice they offer their own house brand, slight better then the run of the mill Belden, etc. Whatever, I still recommend them for pre-made budget cables.

Wire gauge is determined by the length of the run. This is absolutely not true. :eek:

Ed

Need some opinions here. Would you consider the Studio 100's v3 an upgrade from the Monitor 11 v5? I came across a pair of Studios while browsing through an electronics store for approximately 1/2 price.

My current set-up is Monitor 11v5 Front L/R, CC390 v5 Center, ADP 370 v4 (x4) surrounds and rear.

For the Studios, I would get the 100's v3 but would have to go with the CC690 v4 for the center. Would that cause a problem? I'd leave the ADP 370's as the surrounds and rears for the time being. The usage is primarily movies.

The ratio is approximately 90% movies to 10% Music. Looking for opinions on if the move is worth it for mainly movie watching?

Need some opinions here. Would you consider the Studio 100's v3 an upgrade from the Monitor 11 v5? I came across a pair of Studios while browsing through an electronics store for approximately 1/2 price.

My current set-up is Monitor 11v5 Front L/R, CC390 v5 Center, ADP 370 v4 (x4) surrounds and rear.

For the Studios, I would get the 100's v3 but would have to go with the CC690 v4 for the center. Would that cause a problem? I'd leave the ADP 370's as the surrounds and rears for the time being. The usage is primarily movies.

The ratio is approximately 90% movies to 10% Music. Looking for opinions on if the move is worth it for mainly movie watching?
i demoed the monitors and the studios and the difference was good enough for me
to choose the studios no regrets and no need or want to upgrade.

Hello,

I may purchase a pair of Studio 60s soon. First of all, I considered the Studio 20s but am nervous that my growing 3 month old will knock over the stands when he starts crawling. Do you think this would be a problem? That is driving me to buy the 60s instead.

Second, can anybody tell me the best place to get a deal on the 60s? I know they're not sold online. I will need them shipped to Florida. Any advice on finding a good dealer?

Thanks,
Casey

Hello,

I may purchase a pair of Studio 60s soon. First of all, I considered the Studio 20s but am nervous that my growing 3 month old will knock over the stands when he starts crawling. Do you think this would be a problem? That is driving me to buy the 60s instead.

Second, can anybody tell me the best place to get a deal on the 60s? I know they're not sold online. I will need them shipped to Florida. Any advice on finding a good dealer?

Thanks,
Casey

I would get the 100's the baby wont knock them over :)
If you dont mind used speakers check out audiogon or even ebay you can save some $$
If ya want new look at
http://www.paradigm.com/en/dealer_locator/paradigm.php

is repalcing tweeters a pretty easy project? I think one of mine in my Studio 100 v4's is going out. It sounds really fuzzy and not as crisp as the other one. Anyone have any experience in replacing them and around how much it would cost? I guess It could also be a connection issue, but Im pretty sure they are both hooked up exactly the same. I sent an e mail to paradigm tech support also, but thought I would check out responses on here also.

is repalcing tweeters a pretty easy project? I think one of mine in my Studio 100 v4's is going out. It sounds really fuzzy and not as crisp as the other one. Anyone have any experience in replacing them and around how much it would cost? I guess It could also be a connection issue, but Im pretty sure they are both hooked up exactly the same. I sent an e mail to paradigm tech support also, but thought I would check out responses on here also.
they should be under warranty and your dealer should be able to help you with this
mine did a year ago when i had a bass drver with a dragging voice coil the speaker
was replaced no charge.

is repalcing tweeters a pretty easy project? I think one of mine in my Studio 100 v4's is going out. It sounds really fuzzy and not as crisp as the other one. Anyone have any experience in replacing them and around how much it would cost? I guess It could also be a connection issue, but Im pretty sure they are both hooked up exactly the same. I sent an e mail to paradigm tech support also, but thought I would check out responses on here also.
If its covered it will be no charge
I have 40's V.3 with a crushed tweeter -I got them used so they were not covered I found a pair of Sig tweeters on audiogon and poped them in in about 5 minutes very easy to replace them .

If its covered it will be no charge
I have 40's V.3 with a crushed tweeter -I got them used so they were not covered I found a pair of Sig tweeters on audiogon and pooped them in in about 5 minutes very easy to replace them .

pooped eh :cool: hehe

Can any of you guys weigh in on your opinions between the S8 v.1 and (broken in) S8 v.2 yet?

I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of S8 v.1's and would like to factor your input on the v.1 versus the v.2 into my decision, if possible.

i'm currently running a 5.1 system with:

Mains - Revel Performa F30
Center - Paradigm Signature C5 v.1
Rear - Paradigm Signature ADP v.1
Sub - Revel Performa b15a

anthem AVM20 processor
anthem MCA50 amp

I would get the 100's the baby wont knock them over :)
If you dont mind used speakers check out audiogon or even ebay you can save some $$
If ya want new look at
http://www.paradigm.com/en/dealer_locator/paradigm.php

Thanks for the tips. I'm starting to think that the 60s may be out of my budget so I'm looking at the 20s a little more. I did check out Audiogon and it's a great site! I've noticed most used paradigms are V3. Should that be a concern or should I try to go with the V4 if I get 20s?

Wow this is one beast of a thread! To start off I'm new to high end audio. I've always appreciated good music and finally decided to replace my college gear which is 15 yrs old. It comprises a 60wpc Onkyo receiver and a pair of DCM DX-10 speakers. I know home theater is the "big thing" at the moment but I don't have time to sit down and watch a 2hr movie very often so I decided to focus my $ on two quality channels. I'd say my current system plays music 95% with 5% for movies and I don't mind watching movies in stereo.

After ALOT of research I purchased a PS Audio control amp two weeks ago. I went with the 250wpc model so I figured it would be able to power any speaker I decided on. I haven't even taken it out of the box yet since I want to wait till I get some quality speakers. $3k of my budget is now gone!

Now I'm focusing on speakers and after a bunch of online research I think the Paradigm Studio 100's are for me since I want the most bang for my buck. My budget is around $3k. I listened to B&W 803/4's which I liked but they were a couple grand over priced in my opinion. So I go to audition the Studio's. They were very nice and I probably would have been very happy with them compared to my DCM's but for some reason they just didn't get me super excited to buy them. So I look in the next room which is full of Focal speakers, the other line this particular store sold. The Chorus 836V immediately caught my attention I really liked the sound and additional bass. Plus there looks were alot nicer compared to the 100's which are "boxy". The owner said I could arrange to bring in my amp which I thought was an awesome idea and plan to do. At this point I was in the store for a couple hours and my ears were fried from all of the critical listening!

So I went in ready to buy the studio 100's but left really wanting to buy the Focals. One thing that concerned me when I took the grills off was that it appeared the drivers were made of cheap paper cones and that they didn't have bi-wire terminals. The latter I'm not too familiar with but it seems all high end speakers have bi-wire capabilities. Driver wise it seemed the Studio's should have had a massive advantage.

There aren't many high end brands of speakers carried on my area but there are a couple Paradigm dealers and I went to another one today at lunch. The latter set up was in a room with wood floors and this one was in a carpeted room. These sounded phenonemal and like a totally different pair! This has made me very confused. :confused:

So my question is do you think the flooring would make that big of difference? I have bourbor carpet. what do you all think about driving the 100's with 250wpc? Has anyone directly compared the Focal Chorus to the Studio 100's? Do the 100's benefit from bi-wiring? If so is there a brand or type of speaker wire that is recommeded? Any other comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Picked up my new set-up on Monday and have been in HT heaven ever since.

CC390
Monitor 9's
Atom Monitors for surrounds
HSU VTF 3 MKII

My question now revolves around my rear speakers. The Atoms aren't exactly what I am looking for in rears. I have not yet wall mounted them (6 feet back from the listening position, about 6-7 feet up). They are big speakers to wall mount, but I have the proper mounts to do so. My wife has been very understanding and has accepted the upgrade, she actually likes it, but the Atoms in the rear are testing even my acceptance. I would be happy with them (I like direct radiating and prefer the sound for HT), but can use them elsewhere in the house and I am turning here for some guidance.

I thought about the ADP390's but I have a tricky mounting postion that only gives me about 10 inches on one side to mount and they aren't that much more size friendly than the Atoms, not to mention almost 3 times the cost of the Atoms. The 190's weren't my cup of tea either.

I have the opportunity to use in-walls for the rears, all wiring is in place.

Does anyone have experience with Paradigm PV-150, PV-160, CS-150 or CS-160? How do these compare to the Atoms in rear surround use?

Thanks for the feedback.

Wow this is one beast of a thread! To start off I'm new to high end audio. I've always appreciated good music and finally decided to replace my college gear which is 15 yrs old. It comprises a 60wpc Onkyo receiver and a pair of DCM DX-10 speakers. I know home theater is the "big thing" at the moment but I don't have time to sit down and watch a 2hr movie very often so I decided to focus my $ on two quality channels. I'd say my current system plays music 95% with 5% for movies and I don't mind watching movies in stereo.

After ALOT of research I purchased a PS Audio control amp two weeks ago. I went with the 250wpc model so I figured it would be able to power any speaker I decided on. I haven't even taken it out of the box yet since I want to wait till I get some quality speakers. $3k of my budget is now gone!

Now I'm focusing on speakers and after a bunch of online research I think the Paradigm Studio 100's are for me since I want the most bang for my buck. My budget is around $3k. I listened to B&W 803/4's which I liked but they were a couple grand over priced in my opinion. So I go to audition the Studio's. They were very nice and I probably would have been very happy with them compared to my DCM's but for some reason they just didn't get me super excited to buy them. So I look in the next room which is full of Focal speakers, the other line this particular store sold. The Chorus 836V immediately caught my attention I really liked the sound and additional bass. Plus there looks were alot nicer compared to the 100's which are "boxy". The owner said I could arrange to bring in my amp which I thought was an awesome idea and plan to do. At this point I was in the store for a couple hours and my ears were fried from all of the critical listening!

So I went in ready to buy the studio 100's but left really wanting to buy the Focals. One thing that concerned me when I took the grills off was that it appeared the drivers were made of cheap paper cones and that they didn't have bi-wire terminals. The latter I'm not too familiar with but it seems all high end speakers have bi-wire capabilities. Driver wise it seemed the Studio's should have had a massive advantage.

There aren't many high end brands of speakers carried on my area but there are a couple Paradigm dealers and I went to another one today at lunch. The latter set up was in a room with wood floors and this one was in a carpeted room. These sounded phenonemal and like a totally different pair! This has made me very confused. :confused:

So my question is do you think the flooring would make that big of difference? I have bourbor carpet. what do you all think about driving the 100's with 250wpc? Has anyone directly compared the Focal Chorus to the Studio 100's? Do the 100's benefit from bi-wiring? If so is there a brand or type of speaker wire that is recommeded? Any other comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

I had somewhat of the same experience you had with the Studios as well. This weekend I went with a friend who was interested in the Studio 20 and 40 to the shop I had gone with my wife to listen to the 100 and 60 a couple of months ago. When my wife and I went we heard them and we weren't impressed at all. The bass was muddy and imaging was non existant.

But this time we heard them in the room next to other one and it was like they were completely different speakers. Imaging was superb with great mids and big soundstage. I was stumped about the whole situation. The only thing that I found was different was the amplification, the crappy audition happened with a pioneer elite receiver and the good one was with yamaha (rx-v2600).

hey guys just wondering if you guys can give me some insight ... i plan on geting my home theatre set next month and heres all i picked so far.

Reciever: pioneer VSX-92THX (coming out early sept)
Fronts: monitor 9s
center: cc-290
back: adp-390x2
sub: ps-1000

just wondering if this setup would be good. I am kinda new to home theatre as well and the total of all this works out the just a little over $4500 cdn and then i would have to buy the wires afterwards.

Hey zx6rpete,

If you dealer is going to let you bring in your own amp, he should also let you
take those speakers home and hear them in your own room.

That is the best way to know.

The only thing that I found was different was the amplification

No, the difference was the fact that they were in different rooms....


D0S3D: Don't get the PS-1000, honestly, it's a POS. I still can't figure out why Paradigm makes the PS series anymore.

what would u suggest oppsoed to the PS-1000 would the PW series be better??

Hey guys,
I live in Austin TX and just did a demo at A@B TV of the Titan V.4, Atom V.4 Studio 20 V.4 and Studio 40 V.4. I should say that I did a demo 6 months ago of the earlier versions and was favoring the Studio for its great balance of clean natural sound and fairly good value. Now that the new versions are out all of the retail prices have gone up 10% but I was very surprised in my demo. The electronics were a Yamaha rx-v661. I listened to the Best of Louis Arstrong and Ella Fitzgerald compilation albums as well as a classical music sampler with a good bit of string instruments and I was really surprised at how well the newly designed Titan sounded. The one characteristic that really jumped out at me was the amount of "air" beneath the music...I was really able to hear the rooms in which the music was recorded. This might be partially due to the increased sensitivity of the Titan over the others but I really stood out. It was almost as though different receivers were being used in the comparison (they weren't). I realize that I used a very limited selection when auditioning these and I wish now that I'd have listened to a little home theater as well. I'm definately not saying the other Paradigms weren't nice but The Titan's really grabbed me (the Atoms were impressive as well with not so much "airiness") .

I'd love to hear impressions by others who have listened to these.

what would u suggest oppsoed to the PS-1000 would the PW series be better??

how much would you save from the org. $4500 if you dont get the PS-1000 ?

All,

I'm thinking about buying some Studio 40 V3s now. I would then purchase V3 center and surrounds. I was thinking I can get all of this cheaper compared to the new V4. In your opinion is it worth it to get V4 studio 20s instead? Then get V4 center and surrounds? Or are the changes really that big?

Thanks,
Casey

how much would you save from the org. $4500 if you dont get the PS-1000 ?

589 cdn

if i go to the pw-2100 its an extra 160 so the sub would cost 749

Hi all, I am very interested in purchasing a pair of millenia 200 for fronts, and while searching for reviews online I came across several posts that mentioned discounts (5~15%), is it fairly common for paradigm products? Should I just straight up ask a store employee for that?

By the way I still own the (budget) paradigm speakers I got a decade ago: mini monitors, CC450, and ADP170, great way to blow my first real paycheck. :) And just in case anyone is wondering who in their right mind would pair reference CC450 with mini Monitors, I got it used at very, very good price.

[EDIT] By the way I live in San Francisco Bay area. If anyone has any dealer recommendation I would appreciate it. Thanks.

589 cdn

if i go to the pw-2100 its an extra 160 so the sub would cost 749

The PW series are much higher quality subs than the PDR or PS series.

I had somewhat of the same experience you had with the Studios as well. This weekend I went with a friend who was interested in the Studio 20 and 40 to the shop I had gone with my wife to listen to the 100 and 60 a couple of months ago. When my wife and I went we heard them and we weren't impressed at all. The bass was muddy and imaging was non existant.

But this time we heard them in the room next to other one and it was like they were completely different speakers. Imaging was superb with great mids and big soundstage. I was stumped about the whole situation. The only thing that I found was different was the amplification, the crappy audition happened with a pioneer elite receiver and the good one was with yamaha (rx-v2600).

Would you think that auditioning speakers on hard wood floors as being a bad thing? For some reason I think that might have an influence and with me having carpet it has me concerned.

Would you think that auditioning speakers on hard wood floors as being a bad thing? For some reason I think that might have an influence and with me having carpet it has me concerned.
with no rug or carpet on the floor you will have some reflections.

The PW series are much higher quality subs than the PDR or PS series.This is absolutely true.

Ed

anyone know if paradigm sells the speaker grills by themselves?.. I ask cause my dad got loaded last night and fell on my new monitor 9's damaging the grill and doing a nasty break at the top... this sucks!.. anywho lemme know if anyone knows, thanks. :)

589 cdn

if i go to the pw-2100 its an extra 160 so the sub would cost 749

$759 - http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=481

anyone know if paradigm sells the speaker grills by themselves?.. I ask cause my dad got loaded last night and fell on my new monitor 9's damaging the grill and doing a nasty break at the top... this sucks!.. anywho lemme know if anyone knows, thanks. :)

wow.. that really sucks! yes they do sell the speaker grills. You might have to purchase it through a dealer though. You should make your dad pay for it :)

Can you upload a pic of your speaker? I am curious to see what falling on it will do to it. :)

I have received several PM's from people asking how I am mounting my ADP-590s... when I bought my speakers, they came with mounting brackets.. I am now being told that Paradigm no longer sells/ships the ADP-590 mounting brackets.. Why is that and should I be concerned??? What's going on with the ADP-590s??? Thanks!

I have received several PM's from people asking how I am mounting my ADP-590s... when I bought my speakers, they came with mounting brackets.. I am now being told that Paradigm no longer sells/ships the ADP-590 mounting brackets.. Why is that and should I be concerned??? What's going on with the ADP-590s??? Thanks!

Didn't you hear the news? If you use the supplied mounting brackets, the ADP-590's will suck you into another dimension where there is no such thing as "surround sound", only mono! It's absolutely horrible! I'm surprised that you are still around. :D

That is strange that they would stop supplying the hardware to actually use the speakers the way they were intended. Maybe they just don't want to be liable if for some reason the speaker was to come loose from the wall and fall on someone's head. American's are sue happy, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are just limiting their liability.

Didn't you hear the news? If you use the supplied mounting brackets, the ADP-590's will suck you into another dimension where there is no such thing as "surround sound", only mono! It's absolutely horrible! I'm surprised that you are still around. :D

That is strange that they would stop supplying the hardware to actually use the speakers the way they were intended. Maybe they just don't want to be liable if for some reason the speaker was to come loose from the wall and fall on someone's head. American's are sue happy, so it wouldn't surprise me if they are just limiting their liability.

lol.. nope.. haven't happened yet :)

my thoughts were that people were drilling the mounts into drywall and they were falling down.. That was my first thoughts.. but I dont know facts.. if at least one screw is in a stud, it seems to support the speaker fine...

lol.. nope.. haven't happened yet :)

my thoughts were that people were drilling the mounts into drywall and they were falling down.. That was my first thoughts.. but I dont know facts.. if at least one screw is in a stud, it seems to support the speaker fine...

yeah, you either want to hit a stud or use drywall anchors. My speakers are between studs, so I use the later for my Signature ADPs.

Would you think that auditioning speakers on hard wood floors as being a bad thing? For some reason I think that might have an influence and with me having carpet it has me concerned.

It might be the hardwood floors. A lot of people in the forums say that speakers on hardwood floors don't sound as good as carpet.

It might be the hardwood floors. A lot of people in the forums say that speakers on hardwood floors don't sound as good as carpet.

So why in the world would a speaker dealer put in hard wood floor to try and sell speakers? :confused: The place is in a strip mall so obviously he went out of his way to do it.

I am considering upgrade from my B&W 603 to Studio 100. I have currently Harman Kardon 235 and I think I need upgrade here as well. The dealer suggested Yamaha 2700 that I dont know anything about, and I was thinking about Arcam 350. Any suggestions?

So why in the world would a speaker dealer put in hard wood floor to try and sell speakers? :confused: The place is in a strip mall so obviously he went out of his way to do it.
Some people think they sound fine. Maybe livelier is the term to use. I used to have hw floors in another house, with an area rug and huge, overstuffed furniture it sounded quite nice. This was with some warmer sounding speaker though, Advent Heritages.

I don't think my Studio 100s would be as enjoyable there.

hi everyone, I am just starting to build my ht and I am rookie to this stuff so please be patience. I just bought monitor 7 for now (70% movies and games 30% music ) and the rest will follow due to budget problem,(ouch) and
pairing it with yamaha 661. I am very impressed when i heard the sounds using optical connections compair to my old sony htib . I tried using hdmi and the sounds little bit
different using optical, i could hear sss sound from the dialouge and put in eagles farewell
concerts using xbox elite as my dvd and also the same results. Is it the tweeter or may be
the set up or may be hdmi ( i'm just using cheap hdmi), or may be speaker wires, please help. thanks

Can any of you guys weigh in on your opinions between the S8 v.1 and (broken in) S8 v.2 yet?

I have an opportunity to pick up a pair of S8 v.1's and would like to factor your input on the v.1 versus the v.2 into my decision, if possible.

i'm currently running a 5.1 system with:

Mains - Revel Performa F30
Center - Paradigm Signature C5 v.1
Rear - Paradigm Signature ADP v.1
Sub - Revel Performa b15a

anthem AVM20 processor
anthem MCA50 amp

I'm reposting this in hope of getting some responses :D

I'm reposting this in hope of getting some responses :D
Honestly I think you can save some money by not getting the S8s, either version. I am a died in the wool Paradigm fan, but the S8s are a little high priced for their SQ. If they came in at around $3500, maybe $4000 I think they would be a steal, but since they don't.................. :(

I'm reposting this in hope of getting some responses :D


Although I don't have the S8's, I do have the V2 of the S2's and C3. Mine are running with a Velodyne DD-15 sub through an Anthem AVM-50 pre/pro and Simaudio Titan power amp.

Before getting the V2's, I had the V1's at home for roughly 3 weeks waiting for the V2's to come in. I was actually a bit afraid of getting the V2's since I liked the V1's so very much. I can tell you that I am not at all disappointed.

However, where the rest of your system is V1's, I certainly wouldn't miss an opportunity to get the matching mains if I were you. They are a fantastic speaker. Are the V2's better? I would say yes, but unless you hear them side by side, I'm sure you will never know. Go for the V1's to have a matching set.....and you are likely saving a fair bit of money over the V2's as well.

Whether you select the V1 or V2, you will be getting a world class gem of a speaker. By the way, I also have a pair of B&W 804's which was always my standard, until now.

I recently read a review of the Studio 20's V3 and CC-470. In the review it stated that someone at Paradigm recommended placing 1 inch of foam rubber below the CC-470 when the speaker is setting on your TV.

Has anyone tried this and can you describe any perceived differences?
Where did you get the foam rubber?
Can you point me back to that review (I can't remember where I saw it)?
**Edit: I found the link here->
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/paradigm-reference-20-470-speakers-5-2005.html

Honestly I think you can save some money by not getting the S8s, either version. I am a died in the wool Paradigm fan, but the S8s are a little high priced for their SQ. If they came in at around $3500, maybe $4000 I think they would be a steal, but since they don't.................. :(

let's assume money is not an issue whatsoever.

Although I don't have the S8's, I do have the V2 of the S2's and C3. Mine are running with a Velodyne DD-15 sub through an Anthem AVM-50 pre/pro and Simaudio Titan power amp.

Before getting the V2's, I had the V1's at home for roughly 3 weeks waiting for the V2's to come in. I was actually a bit afraid of getting the V2's since I liked the V1's so very much. I can tell you that I am not at all disappointed.

However, where the rest of your system is V1's, I certainly wouldn't miss an opportunity to get the matching mains if I were you. They are a fantastic speaker. Are the V2's better? I would say yes, but unless you hear them side by side, I'm sure you will never know. Go for the V1's to have a matching set.....and you are likely saving a fair bit of money over the V2's as well.

Whether you select the V1 or V2, you will be getting a world class gem of a speaker. By the way, I also have a pair of B&W 804's which was always my standard, until now.

thanks BM. where did you see the improvements, and how incremental were they in your opinion?

let's assume money is not an issue whatsoever.
I was trying to be politically correct on the Paradigm thread, but I'll spell it out. For $5000 you can get a set of B&W 803Ds, I believe they were, that bested the S8v2, IMHO of course.

As I said before I am a huge Paradigm fan, but better speakers are better speakers.

I recently read a review of the Studio 20's V3 and CC-470. In the review it stated that someone at Paradigm recommended placing 1 inch of foam rubber below the CC-470 when the speaker is setting on your TV.

Has anyone tried this and can you describe any perceived differences?
Where did you get the foam rubber?
Can you point me back to that review (I can't remember where I saw it)?
**Edit: I found the link here->
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/paradigm-reference-20-470-speakers-5-2005.html

I have the Studio 20s and a cc-470 and read that review too.

The whole concept is just to decouple the speaker from the TV.

I just used the legs that came with the CC-470 and angled the speaker down towards my seats -- since it was above me on top of my 55 inch TV. So the back legs were set higher than the front legs.

I don't think the foam is needed.

Here's what it looked like:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/equip1.jpg

I was trying to be politically correct on the Paradigm thread, but I'll spell it out. For $5000 you can get a set of B&W 803Ds, I believe they were, that bested the S8v2, IMHO of course.

As I said before I am a huge Paradigm fan, but better speakers are better speakers.

for the sake of my question, let's assume i can purchase any paradigm product at cost (and the v.1 substantially below), but would have to pay full retail for any other product.

for the sake of my question, let's assume i can purchase any paradigm product at cost (and the v.1 substantially below), but would have to pay full retail for any other product.
New is usually better, but to match the rest of your system I would go with the V1, unless you plan on replacing your CC anytime soon with an "at cost" V2. :p

The V1s are probably damn fine speakers so any improvements made in the V2 would probably be minor.

FWIW I've only heard the V2.

Dilemma!

This is my setup: Studio CC690, ADP-590, Sesimic 12. I just sold my Studio 60v3's finally so I could upgrade to studio 100's. Everything else I have is v4. I can get a brand new set of 100v3's for nearly $800 less than 100v4's. I haven't followed the forum in a couple months, but at the time I got all my v4 surrounds and center the consensus was that the v3 and v4 components could pretty much be interchanged. Is this still the case?

Basically: would you get the new in box 100v3 or spend $800 more to get the 100v4?

I'm upgrading my amp aslo from a Denon 3806 to a 4308 and will now be bi-amping the 100's regardless of which model I get. The $800 would bring my total upgrading costs down significantly.

help

New is usually better, but to match the rest of your system I would go with the V1, unless you plan on replacing your CC anytime soon with an "at cost" V2. :p

The V1s are probably damn fine speakers so any improvements made in the V2 would probably be minor.

FWIW I've only heard the V2.

Thanks. Probably not worth it to overstress about the improvement from V.1 to V.2. Now just have to mentally justify the $$ to upgrade from my Revels (which I've been more than happy with since I bought them).

Dilemma!

This is my setup: Studio CC690, ADP-590, Sesimic 12. I just sold my Studio 60v3's finally so I could upgrade to studio 100's. Everything else I have is v4. I can get a brand new set of 100v3's for nearly $800 less than 100v4's. I haven't followed the forum in a couple months, but at the time I got all my v4 surrounds and center the consensus was that the v3 and v4 components could pretty much be interchanged. Is this still the case?

Basically: would you get the new in box 100v3 or spend $800 more to get the 100v4?

I'm upgrading my amp aslo from a Denon 3806 to a 4308 and will now be bi-amping the 100's regardless of which model I get. The $800 would bring my total upgrading costs down significantly.

help$ 800---I'd get the V.3's in a heartbeat!

thanks BM. where did you see the improvements, and how incremental were they in your opinion?

To make it clear, when I got the V2's, they were not broken in so comparison at that time was hard to do. As far as I'm concerned, the V2's are far better now than when I first got them home and since I no longer have the V1's, I'm going by memory.

So, based on my memory, the most noticeable things are:

1. The quickness of them, probably attributed to the lighter beryllium tweeter; maybe also due to the G-Pal mid/bass;
2. The highs. As beautiful and smooth the highs were with the V1's, I have not heard highs like this other than from ribbons; and no edginess common to aluminum domes;
3. There seems to be more separation and distinction between the instruments. Soundstage is huge;
4. Incredibly smooth;
5. I am picking up details within music that I can't recall hearing before; I'm sure they were there, but now they are just so much more evident and realistic. I find myself playing various CD's and wondering where these new sounds came from.

Now, to be fair, since getting the V2's, I have also upgraded to the Simaudio Titan amp and changed IC's to Chord Chamelion Silver Plus II, so I'm sure there is some of the improvements attributable to these changes, but even at that, it confirms what these great speakers are capable of.

In the end though, it is whatever sound you prefer. I mentioned before that I also have B&W 804's on another system, and I never had any luck finding a speaker I liked as much until now, but speaker preference is such a subjective game. What one person loves, another may hate.

Remember, Paradigm puts huge amounts into R&D and they continually trickle their technology down their lineup from one generation to the next. They are one of the larger speaker manufacturers and have never been known to put out a product that was not better than the generation it replaces. They build all their own components so they have control over all the items that go into their speakers. For a smaller company to put out the same quality of speaker, they would likely charge a whole lot more giving people the perception that if it cost more, it must be better.

Hope this helps.

I have the Studio 20s and a cc-470 and read that review too.

The whole concept is just to decouple the speaker from the TV.

I just used the legs that came with the CC-470 and angled the speaker down towards my seats -- since it was above me on top of my 55 inch TV. So the back legs were set higher than the front legs.

I don't think the foam is needed.


I've got a similar setup to yours as far as the center speaker on the TV goes. When I read the review, I thought the reviewer was talking to me because I think the sound is a little muffled in my setup. I have not been able to find 1" thick foam rubber. The closest I've come is 3/8" exercise mat. Maybe if I double or triple this up. But before I did this I wanted to hear of other's experiences.

Just picked up my cc690 this afternoon and mounted it on top of my 1st generation 46" Samsung dlp. Ha ha ha, it's really too much, but I had to give it a listen, it's matched up with my 100's v3 and 1st impression is good, really a lot more bass than my cc450 and a bit more of an open feel, could be the v4? Not sure if I'll leave it there or not, I really bought it for a dedicated theater I hope to start this fall or winter. I was able to get a good deal on it now because my dealer has been slow, so I went for it... I'll try to post pics soon of the beast on top my poor Sammy....

Is there any online paradigm dealer that I can get the best price on Studio 100?

Is there any online paradigm dealer that I can get the best price on Studio 100?

No

Front: Esprits
Rear: Atoms
Center: CC170
Sub: Klipsch ProMedia SWS
Reciever: Yamaha HTR-5730
TV: Samsung TXP-3071WH (upgrading to LNT4661F)
DVD: Sony DVP-NS725P (upgrading to Samsung Blu-Ray)

Speakers wired w/ Monster Xp

Sub wired w/ Monster Sub cable

Xbox optical>rec. w/ component>tv

Sony DVP-NS725P Digital Coax>rec. component>tv

Comcast HD box DVI>tv optical>rec.

Is there any online paradigm dealer that I can get the best price on Studio 100?

Paradigm does not sell online.....

cc-690 on top of Samsung 46" dlp...Waiting for it to fall through.....:D

cc-690 on top of Samsung 46" dlp...Waiting for it to fall through.....:D

Sorry, I guess my file size is too big, not sure how to shrink them?

Paradigm does not sell online.....

bleh. That sux. I was looking for a competitive priced paradigm... The local dealer is charging me $2600 for 100 v4 and I am sure there are better deals out there.., but what's bad is that there is no other paradigm dealer in my local area.. so I am kinda of stuck with no option..

bleh. That sux. I was looking for a competitive priced paradigm... The local dealer is charging me $2600 for 100 v4 and I am sure there are better deals out there.., but what's bad is that there is no other paradigm dealer in my local area.. so I am kinda of stuck with no option..

I'm not quite sure where you are, but if in Canada, you can find them on Canuck Audio Mart or in the US Audiogon. These are reputable sites where people sell and trade audio gear. I just sold a pair of V3's on Canuck. you can usually pick them up used for a decent price.

bleh. That sux. I was looking for a competitive priced paradigm... The local dealer is charging me $2600 for 100 v4 and I am sure there are better deals out there.., but what's bad is that there is no other paradigm dealer in my local area.. so I am kinda of stuck with no option..

Boy you better shop around. I recenlty purchased 100 v.4 from a authorized dealer for way, WAY less than that. (Under 2k)

Recently I've hooked up my Paradigm Home Theater and I've notice that the Servo15 V2 Sub I have is now humming/buzzing and making other noises. The humming noise seems to be linked to the sub being plugged & unplugged (i.e. it starts humming/buzzing as soon as the power cord is connected and not turned on by the switch at the back). Sounds like a small aquarium pump. I'm guessing it may be some sort of low level amplifier hum as I can only hear it up close but why would it start before the power switch is even turned on?

The other noise seems to be linked when the sub first detects a signal from the AMP or turns off after no signal has been detected for a while. It sounds like a wump wump when this happens.

Can anyone tell me is this normal operation for this type of sub? Has anyone else run into this type of problem and been able to make the sub run silent? Has something more serious happened and now I'm going to have to return it?

Recently I've hooked up my Paradigm Home Theater and I've notice that the Servo15 V2 Sub I have is now humming/buzzing and making other noises. The humming noise seems to be linked to the sub being plugged & unplugged (i.e. it starts humming/buzzing as soon as the power cord is connected and not turned on by the switch at the back). Sounds like a small aquarium pump. I'm guessing it may be some sort of low level amplifier hum as I can only hear it up close but why would it start before the power switch is even turned on?

The other noise seems to be linked when the sub first detects a signal from the AMP or turns off after no signal has been detected for a while. It sounds like a wump wump when this happens.

Can anyone tell me is this normal operation for this type of sub? Has anyone else run into this type of problem and been able to make the sub run silent? Has something more serious happened and now I'm going to have to return it?

Hum FAQ

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=322698

Boy you better shop around. I recenlty purchased 100 v.4 from a authorized dealer for way, WAY less than that. (Under 2k)

Under 2 grand? That's hard to believe... That would be like 25%? You must live in "wonderland".....:p

Hi - this is my first post here!

Anyway, I finally went all out and upgraded my Monitor system to a Studio system. Here's what I bought:

Studio 100
CC-590
ADP-590
Servo-15 Sub

My question has to do with the CC-590 vs. the CC-690. When I was at the store I was taken aback by the size of the CC-690, and wasn't even sure where I would put it. The salesman was definitely NOT pushing the 690, and felt I would be happy with the 590. I was a little unsure, since the Paradigm website recommends using the 690 with the 100's. I want to make sure my speakers all blend well together. He said the 590 would be fine. I asked him: "when would the 590 NOT be enough?" He basically said never.

Now, when I'm watching some DVD's, I notice that the dialogue from the centre always seems quiet compared to the music and FX coming from everywhere else. I turn up the volume to hear what people are saying, and then have to turn it down again...very annoying. I suspect that this is the way the DVD's are made, however, and does not reflect the quality of my centre speaker. Can someone confirm this?

I know I can just adjust the centre volume upwards, and will probably do so. I just want to make sure that I'm not missing something by not going with the 690.

I'd really appreciate some feedback on this. With all the money I spent, I promised my wife that with the new Studio setup I would never need to upgrade again...now I'm already thinking of the 690. :o

One more question. The salesman said I should set all my speakers to "small" rather than "large" (I have a Yamaha RX-V520 receiver). Is this correct? It doesn't make sense to me. If these Studio speakers aren't considered large, then what is??

Thanks!! Sorry for the long post.

Dave

Hi - this is my first post here!

Anyway, I finally went all out and upgraded my Monitor system to a Studio system. Here's what I bought:

Studio 100
CC-590
ADP-590
Servo-15 Sub

My question has to do with the CC-590 vs. the CC-690. When I was at the store I was taken aback by the size of the CC-690, and wasn't even sure where I would put it. The salesman was definitely NOT pushing the 690, and felt I would be happy with the 590. I was a little unsure, since the Paradigm website recommends using the 690 with the 100's. I want to make sure my speakers all blend well together. He said the 590 would be fine. I asked him: "when would the 590 NOT be enough?" He basically said never.

Now, when I'm watching some DVD's, I notice that the dialogue from the centre always seems quiet compared to the music and FX coming from everywhere else. I turn up the volume to hear what people are saying, and then have to turn it down again...very annoying. I suspect that this is the way the DVD's are made, however, and does not reflect the quality of my centre speaker. Can someone confirm this?

I know I can just adjust the centre volume upwards, and will probably do so. I just want to make sure that I'm not missing something by not going with the 690.

I'd really appreciate some feedback on this. With all the money I spent, I promised my wife that with the new Studio setup I would never need to upgrade again...now I'm already thinking of the 690. :o

One more question. The salesman said I should set all my speakers to "small" rather than "large" (I have a Yamaha RX-V520 receiver). Is this correct? It doesn't make sense to me. If these Studio speakers aren't considered large, then what is??

Thanks!! Sorry for the long post.

Dave


He is correct in telling you to set them to "small". If you set them to large then the whole frequency band is going to be sent to the speakers, but if you set them to small, everything below 100hz, or 80hz (or whatever you set it to if you can configure it in your receiver) will go to the sub only. That is what you want it to do, unless you had a setup w/o a sub.

btw, I set my center speaker a tad higher than the rest for the very same reason you had and mine are paired up as recommended by Paradigm. So you aren't alone.

Sideshowdave,

You must properly calibrate all the speaker levels to get smooth surround sound. Your level on your center speaker just needs to be upped a little.
The best way to do this is with a sound level meter. If you don't have one,
get one and learn how to use it. It is a difference you can hear.

Thanks for the comments. Where can I get a sound level meter? At the electronics shop?

So do you think I'm OK with the 590? Do I gain a lot by going to the 690?

Dave

Thanks for the comments. Where can I get a sound level meter? At the electronics shop?

Radio Shack (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103667&cp=&sr=1&origkw=spl&kw=spl&parentPage=search)

but if you can get an analog one (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103668&cp=&sr=1&origkw=Sound-Level+Meter&kw=sound-level+meter&parentPage=search), get that instead.. they are nicer..

Where can I get a sound level meter? At the electronics shop?
Dave

Once you have your meter, you'll need to calibrate.

See here on how to:

Speaker Setup, Using SPL Meter

Techlore - How To Calibrate Your Surround System Using an SPL Meter (http://www.techlore.com/article/10037/;jsessionid=1EB44AF24FE014D8DE008AB481B8A36F)
Audiophilia - Essential Accessories: The Radio Shack Sound Pressure Level Meter (http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/spl.htm)
Audioholics - Setting Speaker Levels & Distance in a Surround Sound System (http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/setting-speaker-levels-distance-in-a-surround-sound-system)

and for subwoofer setup and everything else look right below in my sig for the "101" , click on it.

Sideshow -

Calibrating with an SPL meter may help, but I have often heard the same complaint about dialog levels from new Home Theater owners even when the channel levels are balanced. Movie soundtracks are meant to be dynamic and you will often find that effects and climactic moments will be substantially louder than the dialog. If you can't listen to your system at levels that allow for the dynamic peaks, try engauging the "Night time movie" mode or "dynamic compression" mode in your AV Receiver. (Consult the owners manual for the AVR to find out what what the dynamic compression mode is called in your particular model.) This will reduce the differences in volume between dialog and things like explosions, allowing you to turn up the overall volume to a point that dialog is clear without blasting you out of the room in the climactic moments.

Cheers,

- Tim

O.k.. here's the setup. Know I'm new to this, so this is just dipping my toe in.. I had the Phantom's back in 2001 and loved them, so they started me off. I just purchased the Center, Surrounds and Sub in the last week or so. The surrounds were just to get me by until I upgrade to some Monitor 9's or something similar.

Front: Paradigm Phantom's V.2
Surround: Paradigm Atoms
Center: Monitor CC-370 V.4
Sub: Paradigm PS-1000

These are all powered by a Marantz SR4001 and I'm thinking of adding an amp to help. Not sure if I need one, but I am sure it will help. Any recommendations on an amp to add to this setup?

Thoughts? I would really appreciate any feedback on the setup and amp help...

Thanks so much!

Mickey

O.k.. here's the setup. Know I'm new to this, so this is just dipping my toe in.. I had the Phantom's back in 2001 and loved them, so they started me off. I just purchased the Center, Surrounds and Sub in the last week or so. The surrounds were just to get me by until I upgrade to some Monitor 9's or something similar.

Front: Paradigm Phantom's V.2
Surround: Paradigm Atoms
Center: Monitor CC-370 V.4
Sub: Paradigm PS-1000

These are all powered by a Marantz SR4001 and I'm thinking of adding an amp to help. Not sure if I need one, but I am sure it will help. Any recommendations on an amp to add to this setup?

Thoughts? I would really appreciate any feedback on the setup and amp help...

Thanks so much!

Mickey

I am a firm believer in amps, but I don't think you'll need one with your Marantz. The Phantoms are easy to drive as are the rest of your speakers.

Do you mean you plan on gettings some Monitor 9s and then utilize a pair of your current speakers as surrounds? If so I'd use the Atoms and sell the Phantoms or use 'em in a second system. Then an amp just for the mains would help you out some, not needed but nice to have. You'll want to use a CC from the same series as your mains for the best sound though.

Just ordered my first set of ADP 590's. Pair them up with Studio 100's and a CC690. I am going to use these as my side surrounds. Next pair of 590's will go in the back.

I know there is debate on di-pole speakers, but I just like them better. I use my system for 98% HT so music really doesnt play in.

Hmm...after reading a few more posts here, it seems that most people pair up the Studio 100's with the CC-690.

I'm starting to have doubts now...the salesman was pushing the CC-590. He said the the 690 has 2 extra bass drivers, but the same hi and mid range drivers as the 590. He said without a decent sub you would notice a difference, but with my Servo-15 I would not notice any improvement if I moved to the 690. I called up another dealer for a second opinion, and he said to get the 690.

Does anyone else have the 100's with the CC-590? What are your thoughts?

For those that went with the CC-690 - did you at any point consider the 590? What made you change your mind?

I just bought the 590 a couple of weeks ago, so if I'm going to exchange it I should probably do it soon. Would love some advice on this.


Thanks!
Dave

Hmm...after reading a few more posts here, it seems that most people pair up the Studio 100's with the CC-690.

I'm starting to have doubts now...the salesman was pushing the CC-590. He said the the 690 has 2 extra bass drivers, but the same hi and mid range drivers as the 590. He said without a decent sub you would notice a difference, but with my Servo-15 I would not notice any improvement if I moved to the 690. I called up another dealer for a second opinion, and he said to get the 690.

Does anyone else have the 100's with the CC-590? What are your thoughts?

For those that went with the CC-690 - did you at any point consider the 590? What made you change your mind?

I just bought the 590 a couple of weeks ago, so if I'm going to exchange it I should probably do it soon. Would love some advice on this.


Thanks!
Dave

If you are questioning your decision now.. you might as well call the dealer and see what he can do for you.. the 690 is a beast but is well worth it (in my mind).. I started out considering the 590 until I saw the 690 and decided to make the change. the center channel is just too important for HTs.. I didn't want to continue to second guess my decision for the rest of my life (something I am known to do!)... If you can pull the difference in price.. I would just upgrade and never look back.. Just tell your wife that after this upgrade, there is nowhere else to go with the studio line.. no chance of second guessing anymore :)

Take care!

Hmm...after reading a few more posts here, it seems that most people pair up the Studio 100's with the CC-690.

I'm starting to have doubts now...the salesman was pushing the CC-590. He said the the 690 has 2 extra bass drivers, but the same hi and mid range drivers as the 590. He said without a decent sub you would notice a difference, but with my Servo-15 I would not notice any improvement if I moved to the 690. I called up another dealer for a second opinion, and he said to get the 690.

Does anyone else have the 100's with the CC-590? What are your thoughts?

For those that went with the CC-690 - did you at any point consider the 590? What made you change your mind?

I just bought the 590 a couple of weeks ago, so if I'm going to exchange it I should probably do it soon. Would love some advice on this.


Thanks!
Dave

I'm going to side with your dealer on this one. The only reason you should need the 690 is if you feel the 590 doesn't have enough output for your room or you want more low frequency extension. As your dealer stated, with the center crossed over to a sub you don't have to worry about the LF extension, so it really comes down to output capability. I have the Signature C3 (the same driver config as the 590) crossed over at 80Hz to my Velodyne 15" sub, and in my 2700 cubic foot room it delivers all of the output and more than I could ever use. So unless your room is huge, the 590 should be more than enough.

You know I was going to agree with babefish, but after looking at the Paradigm website and seeing the price difference is only $ 300. I'd say
go for the 690. I have one and love it so far.

I am a firm believer in amps, but I don't think you'll need one with your Marantz. The Phantoms are easy to drive as are the rest of your speakers.

Do you mean you plan on gettings some Monitor 9s and then utilize a pair of your current speakers as surrounds? If so I'd use the Atoms and sell the Phantoms or use 'em in a second system. Then an amp just for the mains would help you out some, not needed but nice to have. You'll want to use a CC from the same series as your mains for the best sound though.
Thank you! Yes, I would probably swap out and sell the Phantom's, use the Moinitor 9's as fronts and pick up some new surrounds. Maybe the Monitor ADP 190's and keep the CC-370 for now.

So what AMP would you go for to power the Monitor 9's?

Thanks for the help!

Mickey

Recently I've hooked up my Paradigm Home Theater and I've notice that the Servo15 V2 Sub I have is now humming/buzzing and making other noises. The humming noise seems to be linked to the sub being plugged & unplugged (i.e. it starts humming/buzzing as soon as the power cord is connected and not turned on by the switch at the back). Sounds like a small aquarium pump. I'm guessing it may be some sort of low level amplifier hum as I can only hear it up close but why would it start before the power switch is even turned on?

The other noise seems to be linked when the sub first detects a signal from the AMP or turns off after no signal has been detected for a while. It sounds like a wump wump when this happens.

Can anyone tell me is this normal operation for this type of sub? Has anyone else run into this type of problem and been able to make the sub run silent? Has something more serious happened and now I'm going to have to return it?


Do you plug & unplug your sub everytime you use it? I have the 15v2 and have never noticed a hum before it is powered on. I leave mine plugged in all the time and set to auto off/on.

I get the same "wump wump" when the sub gets the signal from the receiver, so I would assume it is normal. It did scare the hell out of me the first time. I have not noticed if it makes the same sound when it is powered down, I have never been in the room when it powers down from the auto off (I have only had it around a month).