Thank you! Yes, I would probably swap out and sell the Phantom's, use the Moinitor 9's as fronts and pick up some new surrounds. Maybe the Monitor ADP 190's and keep the CC-370 for now.

So what AMP would you go for to power the Monitor 9's?

Thanks for the help!

Mickey

I use 2 Rotel RB980BXs(vertical bi-amp) to power my Studio 100s, I used them with my Monitors 9s as well. Probably overkill. One would do fine with the 9s. You can get one on ebay for around $200 plus shipping.

Most any amp would do fine. Emotive, Outlaw, Parasound, other Rotels, you name it.

Does anyone remember how the Studio 60s are packed - or have a reference diagram? I'm trying to repack mine, and just can't remember exactly what configuration and order the folding vertical cardboard panels go on. I can figure out how the top goes, because there's only one particular piece that fits to protect the raised tweeter enclosure. But after that my reverse engineering is failing me... Thanks to anyone who can help!

hey guys, wut do you think of this setup so far?

monitor 7's for fronts
cc-290 centre
harman kardon avr 247

I will be mostly using this for movies . My biggest concern is if the avr 247 will be powerful enough to drive these speakers + surround speakers + sub later on. How is this receiver compared to the Onkyo tx-sr 605/705?

Hmm...I'm starting to have doubts now...the salesman was pushing the CC-590. He said the the 690 has 2 extra bass drivers, but the same hi and mid range drivers as the 590. He said without a decent sub you would notice a difference, but with my Servo-15 I would not notice any improvement if I moved to the 690. I called up another dealer for a second opinion, and he said to get the 690....Thanks!
Dave

How much more bass extension does the 690 have over the 590? I have 60v3s and the 570v3 (similar to the 590), and also plan to upgrade to the 690 center.

Here's something to think about. After years of running my vintage HSU subwoofer up front with the L/C/R speakers, I recently relocated it to a nearfield position, directly behind the main couch, against one side wall. This was mainly to clean up the Living room, to increase the WAF. :D

After getting the sub level, etc., setup correctly, I'm surprised and really satisfied with this sub location. Less output is needed, less room effects heard and as long as the crossover is at or under 80hz., there is no localization of the sub, even though it is only 3-4' away from the listening spot. (I’m using an external Outlaw ICBM, for bass management, set with the crossover slope at the steeper 36 db "special" setting.)

The point is, using L/C/R speakers that are more full range, will allow a setup like this to work better. Something you may want to try later. One more reason why I will be upgrading to the 690.

How much more bass extension does the 690 have over the 590? I have 60v3s and the 570v3 (similar to the 590), and also plan to upgrade to the 690 center.

Here's something to think about. After years of running my vintage HSU subwoofer up front with the L/C/R speakers, I recently relocated it to a nearfield position, directly behind the main couch, against one side wall. This was mainly to clean up the Living room, to increase the WAF. :D

After getting the sub level, etc., setup correctly, I'm surprised and really satisfied with this sub location. Less output is needed, less room effects heard and as long as the crossover is at or under 80hz., there is no localization of the sub, even though it is only 3-4' away from the listening spot. (I’m using an external Outlaw ICBM, for bass management, set with the crossover slope at the steeper 36 db "special" setting.)

The point is, using L/C/R speakers that are more full range, will allow a setup like this to work better. Something you may want to try later. One more reason why I will be upgrading to the 690.

I don't think the bass extension would be that much more noticable. I just upgraded to the 690 from an older cc-450 and to be honest, it's better, and it has a fuller sound, but not really a lower bass sound, if that makes sense? And if you set your speakers to small, which most people on here do, then it really isn't going to make a huge difference anyway...imo

More mid-bass maybe? I would hope the 690 would approach the bass extension of my 60s, since the cabinet size is similar.

more midbass wider soundstage.

Yes, the specs from Paradigm's website show very little difference :(

Frequency Response: CC590
On-Axis
±2 dB from 53 Hz - 20 kHz 30° Off-Axis ±2 dB from 53 Hz - 18 kHz


Frequency Response: CC690
On-Axis
±2 dB from 50 Hz - 20 kHz 30° Off-Axis ±2 dB from 50 Hz - 18 kHz


Frequency Response: 60v4s
On-Axis
±2 dB from 46 Hz - 22 kHz 30° Off-Axis ±2 dB from 46 Hz - 20 kHz

Could use a wider soundstage though :)

Where can I get the best price for a set of Signature S8 :confused:

paradigms are only sold through authorized dealers unless they are used as far as i know.

Does anyone remember how the Studio 60s are packed - or have a reference diagram? I'm trying to repack mine, and just can't remember exactly what configuration and order the folding vertical cardboard panels go on. I can figure out how the top goes, because there's only one particular piece that fits to protect the raised tweeter enclosure. But after that my reverse engineering is failing me... Thanks to anyone who can help!

I just got some new v4s today and as far as I remember the vertical cardboard panels go in each corner around the styrofoam pieces.

I hope to start building a dedicated home theater this fall and was planning on building a false wall about 3 feet out from the exterior wall, having the t.v. built into the wall with my studio 100's behind cut-outs with speaker fabric so they would be concealed. My question is would this create any sound issues? The 100's would be a few feet from the back wall and right up against the fabric, also a few feet from each side wall, my only concern is if the false wall would create a giant enclosure which would effect the sound. The room is about 12' wide with 7 foot ceilings....

So all the authorized dealers prices are the same? that sucks :mad:

So all the authorized dealers prices are the same? that sucks :mad:

No. Its just that they discount different amounts off of the MSRP. Most will do at a minimum 10%. The average seems to be 15%. I've heard of up to 25% off list. That would be a rarity though.

I am feeling the itch to upgrade my speakers to either Mini-Monitor or Titan V5s soon, and am wondering if anyone has had experience with either. Since the price difference is only about $130 between the two, I can slide either way. Currently, I am running a 2.1 system with Atoms up front, a Velo VX-10 sub (small room) and Pioneer VSX-516. As much as I love my Atoms, there are times when I hear small issues in imaging, frequency response and general "quality". Thus, I've been looking at the new V5 monitor line, which I've heard good things about. The Atoms will be shifted back to 'surround' status. I have demo'd the V4 Titans and Mini-monitors, but they have obviously been revamped. The old Titans were boomy to me while the Minis were very neutral; has that changed much? My usage is still 70/20/10 : Music/Games/Movies.

In case you're wondering, I can probably spend extra on floorstanders, but my listening room is only 11' x 10' and my seating position is pretty close to the fronts, so they would be overkill. Also, Studios are currently out of my budget. I do plan on getting a center speaker as well, just not right now.

One additional question: I made the "mistake" of paying $30 for 30' of Monster Cable when I first got my system cause the store didn't really carry anything else. I think I still have 15' left, which may or may not be enough. If it were to be too short, would it be ok to just get a different brand of 16-gauge (same as current) and use those for the rears? Would it be possible to go as far as using 16-gauge for fronts and using a completely different, heavier gauge for rears? Similar question for the Y-adapter from my source as well: would it be ok to use a different brand/model?

Thanks.

I've got a similar setup to yours as far as the center speaker on the TV goes. When I read the review, I thought the reviewer was talking to me because I think the sound is a little muffled in my setup. I have not been able to find 1" thick foam rubber. The closest I've come is 3/8" exercise mat. Maybe if I double or triple this up. But before I did this I wanted to hear of other's experiences.

I've been using a pair of Mopads under my CC-470 with great success on top of a 51" RPTV. They also have the added benefit of including an additional wedge shape to angle the speaker towards the listening position. See photo.

Auralex Mopad (http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_mopad/sound_isolation_mopad.asp)

I am feeling the itch to upgrade my speakers to either Mini-Monitor or Titan V5s soon, and am wondering if anyone has had experience with either. Since the price difference is only about $130 between the two, I can slide either way. Currently, I am running a 2.1 system with Atoms up front, a Velo VX-10 sub (small room) and Pioneer VSX-516. As much as I love my Atoms, there are times when I hear small issues in imaging, frequency response and general "quality". Thus, I've been looking at the new V5 monitor line, which I've heard good things about. The Atoms will be shifted back to 'surround' status. I have demo'd the V4 Titans and Mini-monitors, but they have obviously been revamped. The old Titans were boomy to me while the Minis were very neutral; has that changed much? My usage is still 70/20/10 : Music/Games/Movies.

In case you're wondering, I can probably spend extra on floorstanders, but my listening room is only 11' x 10' and my seating position is pretty close to the fronts, so they would be overkill. Also, Studios are currently out of my budget. I do plan on getting a center speaker as well, just not right now.

Thanks.

I think most ppl on this thread only respond to $2,000+ speaker questions... ;)

I've had a pair of mini for 8 years now as my fronts (will be upgrading to Millenia soon) and I think it's a huge step up from Atom/Titan. I actually bought a pair of Titans first, was really unhappy with the sound and returned them for Minis after a few days.

I am about to get Cinema 220's for L/C/R and 110's for the rest 7.1 set up.(PDR-12 Sub) the room is 29'x12.5'x9' (LxWxH)

Is there any reason to use the 110 Center? It is exactly the same as the other 110's but is listed as a center and the 220 doesn't have a center so I was just planing on laying it on the side.

I am feeling the itch to upgrade my speakers to either Mini-Monitor or Titan V5s soon, and am wondering if anyone has had experience with either. Since the price difference is only about $130 between the two, I can slide either way. Currently, I am running a 2.1 system with Atoms up front, a Velo VX-10 sub (small room) and Pioneer VSX-516. As much as I love my Atoms, there are times when I hear small issues in imaging, frequency response and general "quality". Thus, I've been looking at the new V5 monitor line, which I've heard good things about. The Atoms will be shifted back to 'surround' status. I have demo'd the V4 Titans and Mini-monitors, but they have obviously been revamped. The old Titans were boomy to me while the Minis were very neutral; has that changed much? My usage is still 70/20/10 : Music/Games/Movies.

In case you're wondering, I can probably spend extra on floorstanders, but my listening room is only 11' x 10' and my seating position is pretty close to the fronts, so they would be overkill. Also, Studios are currently out of my budget. I do plan on getting a center speaker as well, just not right now.

One additional question: I made the "mistake" of paying $30 for 30' of Monster Cable when I first got my system cause the store didn't really carry anything else. I think I still have 15' left, which may or may not be enough. If it were to be too short, would it be ok to just get a different brand of 16-gauge (same as current) and use those for the rears? Would it be possible to go as far as using 16-gauge for fronts and using a completely different, heavier gauge for rears? Similar question for the Y-adapter from my source as well: would it be ok to use a different brand/model?

Thanks.

I have the V4 mini monitors and really enjoy them. With the upgraded monitor V5 I think they can only be better. I haven't demo'd the titans.

You say you can't do floor standers, but the new monitor 7's are fairly svelte and may work for you. Especially if you like to listen to music, that little extra low end would be nice. They are only 6-7" wide and about 37" tall. Depth is not much different than the mini's or titan's. Think about it.:cool:

Not much of a speaker cable guru, but I would think keeping the same gauge wire all around would be better due to the different impedance (sp?) of the different gauge wires. I don't think mixing different cable manufacturers will matter much if they are all the same gauge. Others may disagree.:o

I've been using a pair of Mopads under my CC-470 with great success on top of a 51" RPTV. They also have the added benefit of including an additional wedge shape to angle the speaker towards the listening position. See photo.

Hey I like those. I bought a foam rubber exercise mat and folded it over several times to get the 1" thickness. Those Mopads look more elegant.

The foam seems to have made a difference, but not real significant.

Did you notice a difference with the Mopads?
Did you take the feet off the speaker?

Funny thing is, I called the dealer and again questioned if I should go with the 690. Here I am, totally willing to dump extra $$ in his lap, and he STILL recommends sticking with the 590. I don't know why. Part of me wants to upgrade just so I can have the satisfaction of knowing I have got the best speakers I can afford, but I feel kind of stupid going against his expert advice when he's probably trying to do me a favour.

ask him why you should not go with the 690? Under what circumstance would he say that the 690 would be needed?? Seems rather odd. If I were you and if you still wanted the 690.. I would get it.. you can always turn its volume down if needed.... (But I would be curious to know why your dealer is saying no-go for the 690)..

Sounds to me like it's an older 590 and he wants it gone. Are you sure it's a version 4?

I think the 690 is a very good center. I get a "wall of sound" across my fronts.
Everything blends very well.

Now this is not saying the 590 is a bad center, it is a very good center as well. You may never even notice the difference unless you are playing very loud.

I am purchasing S4's and I was wondering what people recommend to drive them. Specifically pre amp and amp. I know Anthem is owned by Paradigm....how do they sound? Rotel?? NAD??? The Paradigm dealer by my house uses Sherbourne and I wasnt that impressed actually.

I am purchasing S4's and I was wondering what people recommend to drive them. Specifically pre amp and amp. I know Anthem is owned by Paradigm....how do they sound? Rotel?? NAD??? The Paradigm dealer by my house uses Sherbourne and I wasnt that impressed actually.

Sorry, I can't answer your question, but maybe you can answer mine. Are you buying the S4 v1 or v2? If they are the v2, what else did you compare them to and what made you decide to go with the Sigs over the others? I ask because I am considering the S4 v2's and there aren't many people in these boards that has talked much about the sound of the new sig line.

I am considering the v2 but i have only heard the v1...and they sound great i might add. I have been trying to demo the v2 but my local dealer wont get any in for a few months and i dont want to wait that long. What are you gonna use to drive them? I am thinking the new Integra 9.8 pre and possibly NAD Masters amp or Anthem or Ayre

I am considering the v2 but i have only heard the v1...and they sound great i might add. I have been trying to demo the v2 but my local dealer wont get any in for a few months and i dont want to wait that long. What are you gonna use to drive them? I am thinking the new Integra 9.8 pre and possibly NAD Masters amp or Anthem or Ayre

Well, the reason I passed on answering your question, is because it has been my experience that seperates make no difference in sound quality. I actually bought the NAD Master series 7 channel amp and the matching pre/pro a couple of years ago and ended up returning them because I heard no difference in sound quality or loudness capability over my aging Denon 5800 AVR. Just recently, I tried seperates again, but this time I plunked down close to $9K on the Anthem Statement D2 prepro and the A5 amp. Again, no appreciable difference in sound quality. The Anthem might have been a hair smoother sounding, but I can't say that with any certainty. The difference certainly wasn't worth the cost. But your experience may differ. Many people say that they have heard a noticable improvement with a seperate amp, I just can't hear it. What I can hear however, is the difference in sound between speakers and the influence of the room on the sound. You get those two things right and the rest is gravy, again, at least in my opinion.

Good luck.

Well, the reason I passed on answering your question, is because it has been my experience that seperates make no difference in sound quality. I actually bought the NAD Master series 7 channel amp and the matching pre/pro a couple of years ago and ended up returning them because I heard no difference in sound quality or loudness capability over my aging Denon 5800 AVR. Just recently, I tried seperates again, but this time I plunked down close to $9K on the Anthem Statement D2 prepro and the A5 amp. Again, no appreciable difference in sound quality. The Anthem might have been a hair smoother sounding, but I can't say that with any certainty. The difference certainly wasn't worth the cost. But your experience may differ. Many people say that they have heard a noticable improvement with a seperate amp, I just can't hear it. What I can hear however, is the difference in sound between speakers and the influence of the room on the sound. You get those two things right and the rest is gravy, again, at least in my opinion.

Good luck.
you were not alone i did the same thing with adcom not knocking separates
but unless i played it at insane levels could not hear a night and day difference so i have since gone to flagships was entertaining the anthem
separates but fiqured i would experience the same thing again and that
5800 is a power house i think i will keep my 10.5 it powers the studio's fine.

Can anyone provide some opinion or feedback on Paradigm's ceiling mountable speakers? I am redoing my basement and presently have monitor 7 v3's with an older cc370 centre and monitor 3 v3 for surround. I intend on upgrading in the new year.

I am torn between going with adp390's or some in ceiling's. I am not an audiophile and do not need top of line sound. My concern is the bulkiness of the adp390's mounted to the walls or from the ceilings. I would like to go with a sleeker look. The room is 20l x 22w the actual sitting area in this case is about 20l x 12w.

Would the in-ceilings provide an adequate level of surround sound for primary movie and and broadcast watching? I will only being doing a 5.1

I have reviewed 3/4 of the posts in this thread and did not see much if any questions about these.

Thanks

you were not alone i did the same thing with adcom not knocking separates
but unless i played it at insane levels could not hear a night and day difference so i have since gone to flagships was entertaining the anthem
separates but fiqured i would experience the same thing again and that
5800 is a power house i think i will keep my 10.5 it powers the studio's fine.

Yeah, it was a bitter sweet experience really. While I certainly don't mind saving the money, I was very hopeful that "upgrading" my front-end electronics would give me some sort of improvement.

I have the V4 mini monitors and really enjoy them. With the upgraded monitor V5 I think they can only be better. I haven't demo'd the titans.

You say you can't do floor standers, but the new monitor 7's are fairly svelte and may work for you. Especially if you like to listen to music, that little extra low end would be nice. They are only 6-7" wide and about 37" tall. Depth is not much different than the mini's or titan's. Think about it.:cool:

Not much of a speaker cable guru, but I would think keeping the same gauge wire all around would be better due to the different impedance (sp?) of the different gauge wires. I don't think mixing different cable manufacturers will matter much if they are all the same gauge. Others may disagree.:o

Thanks to you and hqubic for the reply. Think my main choice will probably be the mini-monitors.

I went to the dealer yesterday, took a look. Seems like they only carry the entire Monitor line minus the 7 and/or 9. The V5 Titans were monstrous compared to the old ones and at MSRP. Think I'll be stalking them for a sale. Anyways, didn't have a chance to test them out since this was just a "scouting" visit. I asked the salesman about the sound, and apparently the new line isn't as revamped as I thought (or he was just talking out of his ...). He said the boomy-ness was still there for the Titans, and the change was just similar to V3-V4, V2-V3, etc.

Also, thanks again for pointing me at the Monitor 7s; you got me to look at the specs closely. Turns out I have a "hole" between 70-80Hz right now, so I almost "need" new speakers. Unfortunately, you have to see my desk and room to see why I can't have floorstanders. I don't even think my table can take that much weight with the reciever and monitor on it already. Maybe I'll think about rearranging things cause even Titans seem too large right now. The Studio 20s seem perfect, but price...grr...

Very interesting thanks for the response. I never even entertained the thought of using a receiver to drive signatures but hey if you do and they sound great maybe I'll try it. It would definitely be a significant savings. So you drive your S4's with just a Denon 5800? What conditioner do you use?

Yeah, it was a bitter sweet experience really. While I certainly don't mind saving the money, I was very hopeful that "upgrading" my front-end electronics would give me some sort of improvement.

we would probably noticed a leap in performance and sound if they were
a lesser receiver.

Very interesting thanks for the response. I never even entertained the thought of using a receiver to drive signatures but hey if you do and they sound great maybe I'll try it. It would definitely be a significant savings. So you drive your S4's with just a Denon 5800? What conditioner do you use?

i do not recommend using just any receiver make sure with all channels
driven it will have 125 wpc and will increase into a 4ohm load or you will
be somewhat disappointed the 5800 and the 10.5 achieve this easily.

i just picked up the ADP-190 surrounds for the new monitor series to match my new 9's and the cc-390 centre channel. But paradign doesn't include mounting hardware?.. WTF!! so where can i get something to use to mount these puppies? I checked out the paradigm site and there is nothing there,
I guess i could/should talk to my dealer. Any suggestions!?!?

Thanks guys. :D

I am brand new to this board and looking for some help. I am searching for a new Subwoofer and could really use some recomendations. My system is:
Arcam AVR-350 Receiver
Paradigm Studio 80 V2 fronts
Paradigm Studio CC V2 center
Balanced Power Technology HCPC Power unit
Denon 2910 dvd/sacd/dvd-audio
signal cables upgraded power cords and audioquest midnight speaker cable

The two subs I have been looking at are the Paradigm Seismic 12 and the Velodyne SPL 1200. However, since looking on-line I have also read many glowing feebacks about SVS Subwoofers. So I am looking for a little guidance here. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

I am brand new to this board and looking for some help. I am searching for a new Subwoofer and could really use some recomendations. My system is:
Arcam AVR-350 Receiver
Paradigm Studio 80 V2 fronts
Paradigm Studio CC V2 center
Balanced Power Technology HCPC Power unit
Denon 2910 dvd/sacd/dvd-audio
signal cables upgraded power cords and audioquest midnight speaker cable

The two subs I have been looking at are the Paradigm Seismic 12 and the Velodyne SPL 1200. However, since looking on-line I have also read many glowing feebacks about SVS Subwoofers. So I am looking for a little guidance here. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
more help would come from the sub area but my two cents would be to
move up to the servo-15 or dd-15 if the budget allows if not i feel you
might get a better deal with svs or hsu for the money spent on the first two.

Very interesting thanks for the response. I never even entertained the thought of using a receiver to drive signatures but hey if you do and they sound great maybe I'll try it. It would definitely be a significant savings. So you drive your S4's with just a Denon 5800? What conditioner do you use?

Funny that your next question would be about power conditioners. I used to own a top of the line Monster Cable power conditioner, I think it was like $1500 and signed by the President of the company. I never heard a difference with that thing either, so I sold it and bought a considerably cheaper Belkin "Pure AV" component style conditioner/surge protecter. But I bought it mainly for the 13 outlets it provides, not the conditioning it offered. I've got all of my equipment in a built-in cabinet and I needed a way to plug in all of my components.

But again, your milage may vary. I may be lucky and have clean power already, but it has been said that most current AV components have AC filters built-in in order to work properly.

All I can say is see if you can find a local dealer with a good return policy and try it for yourself.

Oh, and Oztech is right, make sure you are buying a top-of-the-line AVR. The heavier the better.

i missed the power conditioner part but i use a panamax 5400 for surge protection
and as hifisponge mentioned it gives an organized outlet.

2x Paradigm 7's
2x Paradigm 3SE'2
Paradigm CC170

Running off of a Yamaha HTR-5830, soon to be replaced by an Onkyo, not sure which yet.

I'm 19 and this is the best I can afford so far. Once I get a job that isn't minimum wage, I'll be back with my new setup. ;)

This all plays audio from my computer via s/pdif.

Hey guys, was hoping someone may be able to share some thought or insight on my question from post #5284

Question regarding the Cinema ADPs for rears. Can I use these as rears if they are only 2 feet away from each other? Would that be a bad idea since the are not monopoles?

Question regarding the Cinema ADPs for rears. Can I use these as rears if they are only 2 feet away from each other? Would that be a bad idea since the are not monopoles?

I assume you mean on a back wall? Otherwise you must be a pretty skinny dude:D. It would not be an ideal situation, it would be more like having only 1 rear, from what I know you want them on the sides or sides and back...

Hey guys, was hoping someone may be able to share some thought or insight on my question from post #5284

Ceiling speakers should be avoided at all costs, in my opinion. They limit your placement flexibility and are often a compromise in SQ.

you were not alone i did the same thing with adcom not knocking separates
but unless i played it at insane levels could not hear a night and day difference so i have since gone to flagships was entertaining the anthem
separates but fiqured i would experience the same thing again and that
5800 is a power house i think i will keep my 10.5 it powers the studio's fine.

I own a pair of Studio 100s V4 and I couldn't imagine not using a separate amp with them. I use a Rotel receiver as a pre/pro and 2 Rotel amps in a bi-amp configuration. Effortless power is all I can say.:)

I own a seismic 12 and love it but if I was shopping now I'd seriously consider the new SVS PB13-Ultra. It's about the same price and is rated to go lower.

I am brand new to this board and looking for some help. I am searching for a new Subwoofer and could really use some recomendations. My system is:
Arcam AVR-350 Receiver
Paradigm Studio 80 V2 fronts
Paradigm Studio CC V2 center
Balanced Power Technology HCPC Power unit
Denon 2910 dvd/sacd/dvd-audio
signal cables upgraded power cords and audioquest midnight speaker cable

The two subs I have been looking at are the Paradigm Seismic 12 and the Velodyne SPL 1200. However, since looking on-line I have also read many glowing feebacks about SVS Subwoofers. So I am looking for a little guidance here. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Very true...I agree the quality just isnt going to be there like a set of dedicated purpose built surrounds. And I know that. But do you have any personal experience you may be able to share as to just how far nice sounding they are not or are not? Do they sound hollow and tinny? It sounds like some people seem to have success. I just havent heard anyone with anything to say about paradigm's line of in-wall/ceilings.

I own a pair of Studio 100s V4 and I couldn't imagine not using a separate amp with them. I use a Rotel receiver as a pre/pro and 2 Rotel amps in a bi-amp configuration. Effortless power is all I can say.:)

i would not have believed it either but being an installer i get to hear and
see what will or will not work when a customer is persistant on some gear
and when it works i sometimes copy it for my own use.

Very true...I agree the quality just isnt going to be there like a set of dedicated purpose built surrounds. And I know that. But do you have any personal experience you may be able to share as to just how far nice sounding they are not or are not? Do they sound hollow and tinny? It sounds like some people seem to have success. I just havent heard anyone with anything to say about paradigm's line of in-wall/ceilings.

I use their SA-15Rs for surrounds. I wouldn't describe them as sounding "hollow and tinny" at all. I've been very pleased with them. I think you already have that expectation that they aren't going to have the same sound quality as dedicated surrounds though, which is good.

What I've noticed is that if I'm seated directly in the center seat where I have the speakers calibrated for, then it's more difficult to pinpoint their location. The sound seems to be coming from both sides. However, if I'm in either seat to the left or right then it's pretty obvious that the sound is coming from the ceiling. So you probably want to take speaker placement into consideration to try to get your seating area into the sweet spot if you can.

Also, since the speakers point straight down you are relying on diffuse sound, so you give up some clarity as opposed to listening directly on-axis. For my mains and center I wasn't willing to go in-wall or in-ceiling, but for my surrounds I felt that the sound quality sacrifice was worth it since I really didn't have an ideal spot to put any enclosed surrounds. They haven't disappointed me.

i would not have believed it either but being an installer i get to hear and
see what will or will not work when a customer is persistant on some gear
and when it works i sometimes copy it for my own use.

Yeah, I know its not like they're inefficient speakers, but if you have the money to buy spekers of that caliber you might as well treat 'em nice and get the most out of them.

Very true...I agree the quality just isnt going to be there like a set of dedicated purpose built surrounds. And I know that. But do you have any personal experience you may be able to share as to just how far nice sounding they are not or are not? Do they sound hollow and tinny? It sounds like some people seem to have success. I just havent heard anyone with anything to say about paradigm's line of in-wall/ceilings.

As far as in ceiling speakers go, they're probably right up there(no pun intended :D). I just don't think sound coming from above is ideal. That and the placement problems, they are where you install them and thats it.

I've had a set of paradigm Monitors for few years and am constantly impressed by them. The clarity, the soundstage and lack of colouration mean I'm actually listening to what the recording engineer put onto tape, not what the speakers are giving me. I've tweaked the room some, put better ends on the cables and such. I have discovered that cables do make a difference, but not according to what the salesman says. An English website :
http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/cat5questions_e.html
gives the cookbook for making Speaker cables from CAt5E network wire and the electrical arguments for understanding what they do. I also make my own interconnects from microphone cable (I spent 30 years in tv, and trust me, tv stations and recording studios do not spend the kind of money on wire the salesmen would have you give out for your hobby.)
For me, the biggest improvements you can make for your system once you reach a certain level of performance come first from room treatment and then, cabling.
I have a Toshiba HD-A2 and a Denon 2803 for DVD's, a Samsung HD841 for hi res audio. A Samsung 46 inch DLP set makes pictures for me.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I *think* I have decided not to do the in-ceiling speakers. With external speakers, as has been mentioned...you are free to mount and or-relocate them as necessary, especially if deciding with time we would like to re-arrange our setup, with our room we have the option to do this. Likewise, take of it what you will...but its probably easier to take them with you then disconnecting in-ceiling speakers and just leaving the grills behind when you move, easier to upgrade if desired, etc.

Now, another question I raised in a seperate thread is this. I have older Paradigm's. All v3's. Monitor 7's in the front, cc370 and i was using monitor 3's (mini-monitors) for my rears in my last place as I didnt have the wall to mount to.

I was thinking about putting the monitor 7's in the back for surrounds/rears and buying new monitor 11's or 9's for the front. I dont think this is a good idea for a couple reasons. 1) new l/r monitors would not match the centre properly 2) i dont think i would enough room for the monitor 7's to shine 3) i dont think the monitor 7's would supply the low frequencies that are often associated with surround encoding. I could position the 7's well but they would be about 1-2 feet off the walls i could have the couch up about 4 feet from the rear wall. I know surrounds should ideally be placed above or at ear level when sitting for optimal results.

If I was to utilize my existing speakers I would rather have the monitor 7's in the back vs. the monitor 3's on stands as I think the 7's would look cleaner. Speaker stands tend to make the speakers look disjointed.

My thought here is go with dedicated surrounds but I was curious (without testing) what kind of performance I might expect in a setup like this and also what kind of quality i might receive going with 11's or 9's in the front with the existing centre? My receiver is a denon avr1604. All this equipment is about 4 years old now, or 5 even (jeez has it really been that long). I am looking at upgrading in the new year when my projector is in place and the room is finished entirely.

Thanks for the feedback.

Funny thing is, I called the dealer and again questioned if I should go with the 690. Here I am, totally willing to dump extra $$ in his lap, and he STILL recommends sticking with the 590. I don't know why. Part of me wants to upgrade just so I can have the satisfaction of knowing I have got the best speakers I can afford, but I feel kind of stupid going against his expert advice when he's probably trying to do me a favour.

Hey.. Where did you go?? What is the latest with your 590/690 dilemma?? What did you decide?

Looking for opinions: I think I can get a demo Sig servo sub for $2200, but I'm trying to decide if it would be better to save some money and get a brand new SVS PB ultra 13 in rosenut, which would be about $1700 delivered..Everytime I mention the Sig to my dealer he tries to push me to the PW-2200, which he would sell for 10% off...Any thoughts on these subs would be appreciated.....

Looking for opinions: I think I can get a demo Sig servo sub for $2200, but I'm trying to decide if it would be better to save some money and get a brand new SVS PB ultra 13 in rosenut, which would be about $1700 delivered..Everytime I mention the Sig to my dealer he tries to push me to the PW-2200, which he would sell for 10% off...Any thoughts on these subs would be appreciated.....

The SVS is a better performer that the servo-15, but the servo is a very good sub. The pw2200 doesn't belong anywhere that these other two do.

The SVS is a better performer that the servo-15, but the servo is a very good sub. The pw2200 doesn't belong anywhere that these other two do.

Is the Signature sub much better than the reference servo-15? Or is it more just in the fancy cabinet?

i read a shoot-out with the 15v1 and the svs and hsu beat it but i have not seen one
with the v2 or sig so someone that has a/b ed them would have to chime in all these
subs and the dd and jl are some serious performers i guess it would depend on the
size and output at a certain hz that will decide which one is better for you i know
servo control keeps tight tabs on distortion but at a cost to output at low frequency.

Looking for opinions: I think I can get a demo Sig servo sub for $2200, but I'm trying to decide if it would be better to save some money and get a brand new SVS PB ultra 13 in rosenut, which would be about $1700 delivered..Everytime I mention the Sig to my dealer he tries to push me to the PW-2200, which he would sell for 10% off...Any thoughts on these subs would be appreciated.....

How much music do you listen to? Is the majority of your listening movies? If you listen/watch more movies than music consider the SVS. If you listen to more music consider the Sig or check out the new JL Audio subs.

Hi guy's,
Owner of Monitor 9's, CC290, ADP190's and the PS-1000 sub. I read a blurb a few threads back claiming the PW series sub's are significantly better that the PS series. Do any of you have any experience with both of these sub's?
Would an upgrade to the PW series make a noticeable difference in bass response?
Mike

A friend had the PS1200 and traded it in and got the PW2200, which went lower and was more accurate (tighter) for music. Within a few months he sold the PW2200 and bought an SVS 12" cylinder (the discontinued one replaced recently by the 13" model). In my opinion, skip the PW series. It will be better than what you have, but you'll get more for your money from SVS (or Velodyne or some other companies). Paradigm don't tell you what their subs can do at ±3 db... they give you the low frequency extension. I really like their speakers, and their subs are not bad, but you'll get better value from a subwoofer company.

How much music do you listen to? Is the majority of your listening movies? If you listen/watch more movies than music consider the SVS. If you listen to more music consider the Sig or check out the new JL Audio subs.

Hey John, It would be more for deicated home theater, I have a 2 channel set up for most of my music listening, but may use the theater for multi-channel listening....I checked out the JL subs and they are way over my price range...It looks like SVS is prolly the way to go...Haven't had any input on the Signature sub, must not be many out there?

Jon

Hello,

I'm new to this thread so I'll give a quick intro:

L&R Studio 100 v3's - Rosenut
CC570 for Center - Rosenut
(4) ADP 470 v3's LR side, LR rear
Denon 3805 7.1
SVS PCI-16 42 Sub (aka the trash can)

I'm in the process of building out my dedicated room and I have some challenges in the side and rear speaker placement.
Ideally I'd like to place all 4 surrounds at approximately 5 feet from the floor. However due to a variety of obstacles (Left side - light switch, right side - media closet door, rear sconces) They either cannot all be at the same height or would lead to awkward placement.

Is it ok to place the ADP's higher up, approximately 6.5 feet and angle them downward at approximately a 20 degree angle for all four?
Secondly, how do you mount these monsters if you are using resiliant channel/gg/double drywall? Do you mount to blocks behind the drywall, or risk the drywall anchors? I've got some generic answers from other posts, but curious on the adp's specifically.

I will try and post a diagram if it helps with the clarification of the question.

Thanks!

i have seen them at 7ft i guess it depends how close you are seated from them
but on the ones i referred to it was ok and it was an 8ft ceiling.

Hi guy's,
Owner of Monitor 9's, CC290, ADP190's and the PS-1000 sub. I read a blurb a few threads back claiming the PW series sub's are significantly better that the PS series. Do any of you have any experience with both of these sub's?
Would an upgrade to the PW series make a noticeable difference in bass response?
MikeI own a PW and my good buddy has a PS. There is a huge difference. The fundamental designs are different. PS is an unusal band pass design. I find it to be one of those one note boomy subs. I also have a Servo-15. It too is audibly a step up from the PW. Don't know whether it's the sealed design or the servo mechanism or both, but much more musical and well defined.

Ed

Please forgive me for asking a stupid question, but about how long should I expect a brand new set of Paradigm monitor series speakers to last me?

I'm trying to convince wifey to agree to letting me spend $3K on a set of speakers, so any info that can help my case would be appreciated.

the servo-15 for music is still a top contender but for sheer movie impact the masses
point to the jl fathom and i still like the velo dd-18 as well.i would like to demo a jl
i have not had a chance to hear one yet.

Please forgive me for asking a stupid question, but about how long should I expect a brand new set of Paradigm monitor series speakers to last me?

I'm trying to convince wifey to agree to letting me spend $3K on a set of speakers, so any info that can help my case would be appreciated.

They should last 15 to 20 years at a minimum.

i have seen them at 7ft i guess it depends how close you are seated from them
but on the ones i referred to it was ok and it was an 8ft ceiling.

Here are the measurements to each:

From the dead center seat, it is 5.5 feet to each of the sides if mounted at ear level. Then once they are moved vertically, they will be 6.5 feet from the listener, but angled down.

For the rear, they will be 7.5 feet if mounted at ear level, but 8.5 feet when elevated.

My concern is keeping the seating focused on the dipoles null points once they are angled. Without fabricating all the angled mounting points, it is difficult for me to anticipate the result.
I'm trying to do all this planning before my drywall goes up.

Any advice on the mounting for these? Before or after drywall?

added bracing on new constuction is a plus you may decide on heavier speakers
later on but i have seen drywall anchors hold 20lbs with no problem.

added bracing on new constuction is a plus you may decide on heavier speakers
later on but i have seen drywall anchors hold 20lbs with no problem.


If they are good quality anchors... YMMV ;)

The v3 manual states the ADPs should be 6-9' above the floor. Mine are 6 1/2'. mounted flat on the wall, work fine.

On page 112, I posted some pics on how I mounted my 470s (The one that had to go over a window). I used an additional backboard, cut to the same size as the back of the speaker cabinet dimensions.Did this for both ADPs. This way I could use beefier mounts to connect the board to the wall, then use the supplied hanger mounts for speaker to board.

If they are good quality anchors... YMMV ;)

I was a installer for a short period of time and we used zip-it drywall anchors all the time. Some of them are rated over 50 lbs....

Hello,

Ideally I'd like to place all 4 surrounds at approximately 5 feet from the floor. However due to a variety of obstacles (Left side - light switch, right side - media closet door, rear sconces) They either cannot all be at the same height or would lead to awkward placement.

Thanks!

Unfortunately, for most of us, setting up our viewing rooms are a series of compromises. Often they are multi purpose rooms with a few "issues" to deal with.

Get them as close to the ideal location that you can, tweak them a bit, then sit back and enjoy. Your set up will still sound better than 99% of them out there. :)

My current 5.1 setup for the last 7 years has been a pair of mini monitors for the front left and right, a CC350 for the center speaker, a pair of ADP350 for the rear left and right surrounds and a PS1200 sub. Its a dedicated home theater room for movies and video games with the dimension of 11 ft x 16.5 ft deep. I am planning on upgrading to a 7.1 setup. What would you recommend for the rear center speakers?

1 or 2 ADP350?
1 or 2 mini-monitors?
1 CC350 center speaker?
other options?

Thanks!

Look for a good deal on a set of used mini monitors, or something else in the small range from the monitor series. For the rears it doesn't have to be the same series or even the same brand, but for other reasons (read on).... If you can get something better than your left and rights within your budget, see if they blend well with your current centre. If they do, move the mini monitors to the back and use the better set as the fronts. This presumes that you're looking for bookshelf speakers that would work as either fronts or backs. If you find used larger monitor series from the same series as yours, then you would have no blending issues and you could pick up a larger set of speakers for the left-right for less than new mini monitors.

The upgrade to 7.1 (by adding rears) will not be a huge difference, so be patient and wait for a good deal. Buying new doesn't make much sense unless you get a great deal. You could use this as an opportunity to upgrade the three fronts, if you can sell the CC350, and use the mini monitors for the rears. I don't know what your budget is, so just a few things to consider.

Originally posted by Luap
If you can get something better than your left and rights within your budget, see if they blend well with your current centre. If they do, move the mini monitors to the back and use the better set as the fronts.
Interesting idea! What benifets would the Monitor 5 or 7 have over the Mini Monitors? Can you run these full range?

You could use this as an opportunity to upgrade the three fronts, if you can sell the CC350, and use the mini monitors for the rears.
I have always liked my CC350 centers, what would be considered an upgrade?

I may have missed it, but has anyone heard the S8 v2's or the S6?

This is the only report I have seen on Sig V2's:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=878920

Interesting idea! What benifets would the Monitor 5 or 7 have over the Mini Monitors? Can you run these full range?


I'd still set them to small, but they would still sound more full, and would have a higher power handling. If your mini monitors do all that you want, just be patient and try to find another set used, or another speaker of similar size.

added bracing on new constuction is a plus you may decide on heavier speakers
later on but i have seen drywall anchors hold 20lbs with no problem.

The v3 manual states the ADPs should be 6-9' above the floor. Mine are 6 1/2'. mounted flat on the wall, work fine.

On page 112, I posted some pics on how I mounted my 470s (The one that had to go over a window). I used an additional backboard, cut to the same size as the back of the speaker cabinet dimensions.Did this for both ADPs. This way I could use beefier mounts to connect the board to the wall, then use the supplied hanger mounts for speaker to board.

Thanks! I have tried to read most of this thread, but I hadn't hit page 112 yet. This helps me quite a bit decide on the height and angles. I may mount them flush (flat) after all if being at 8ft is acceptable. I'll beef up the wall quite a bit before the drywall goes up, then anchor into it. At that point, two will be fairly close to the topside of the sconces, and one will have to be on a hinge mount so that the closet door (which will rarely be open) can still operate.

Thanks! I have tried to read most of this thread, but I hadn't hit page 112 yet. This helps me quite a bit decide on the height and angles. I may mount them flush (flat) after all if being at 8ft is acceptable. I'll beef up the wall quite a bit before the drywall goes up, then anchor into it. At that point, two will be fairly close to the topside of the sconces, and one will have to be on a hinge mount so that the closet door (which will rarely be open) can still operate.


If you already have your equipment, and want to get an idea of how the ADPs will sound, grab two 6' ladders and some cheapo zip wire. You can set the ADPs on top of the ladders and do some experimentation. I found in my room, the "null' area was quite small, Using a pink noise test found the best spot for them.

I'm looking to buy the Millenia 200, and am having a hell of a time finding an online store that carries them.

Is there even one store that sells Paradigm speakers, namely the Millenia series, online? Or do you have to rely on the reseller locator from the website and hope it's within driving distance.

I'm looking to buy the Millenia 200, and am having a hell of a time finding an online store that carries them.

Is there even one store that sells Paradigm speakers, namely the Millenia series, online? Or do you have to rely on the reseller locator from the website and hope it's within driving distance.


Authorizedelectronics.com They do not have them on their website, but they do offer them for sale, if you call them. They are not a dealer, rather they dropship from a distributor(not sure what that means). I have bought a Millenia 20 for my center, a Sony Bravia, and an ES receiver from them with no problems. I just bought a pair of 200's off ebay. Looking forward to getting them, They sound great. If only my local dealer didn't have to special order them. Oh well, his loss, my gain.

If you already have your equipment, and want to get an idea of how the ADPs will sound, grab two 6' ladders and some cheapo zip wire. You can set the ADPs on top of the ladders and do some experimentation. I found in my room, the "null' area was quite small, Using a pink noise test found the best spot for them.

Thanks jkhome for the suggestion. I was contemplating building some sort of rig for them but hadn't arrived at exactly what I'd use. I imagine that the sides are more important for the null point that the rears. As with my speaker placement, my seating is less than ideal, which I'll address in a different thread.

I have all the equipment so I plan to do a full live test before the drywall goes up. I don't want to close up the walls to find a hum in some speaker wire or sub pre-amp line. I will resist the temptation though to test a projector, because I'd probably just leave it as is and never finish! :)

I'm looking to buy the Millenia 200, and am having a hell of a time finding an online store that carries them.

Is there even one store that sells Paradigm speakers, namely the Millenia series, online? Or do you have to rely on the reseller locator from the website and hope it's within driving distance.

Any store that sells Paradigms online is not authorized and will therefore make your warantee null & void. Whats wrong with going to a dealer?

Authorizedelectronics.com They do not have them on their website, but they do offer them for sale, if you call them. They are not a dealer, rather they dropship from a distributor(not sure what that means). I have bought a Millenia 20 for my center, a Sony Bravia, and an ES receiver from them with no problems. I just bought a pair of 200's off ebay. Looking forward to getting them, They sound great. If only my local dealer didn't have to special order them. Oh well, his loss, my gain.

Lets see........hmmm, you're worried about your dealer having to order them new, as almost every other dealer does, but you're willing to buy from some yahoo off ebay that may or may not have treated his speakers good? :eek:

How much quicker can you get your speakers from the ebay "salesman" versus a dealer? :rolleyes:

Lets see........hmmm, you're worried about your dealer having to order them new, as almost every other dealer does, but you're willing to buy from some yahoo off ebay that may or may not have treated his speakers good? :eek:

How much quicker can you get your speakers from the ebay "salesman" versus a dealer? :rolleyes:

In this particular case, I'm willing to accept the risk(although based on my communication with him, I doubt there is much), for the reward of money saved. ;)

Just got my first pair of ADP-590's. The instructions state " these speakers no longer come will wall mounting hardware. Contact your dealer for instalation."

They do come with a very cheap little plastic tab that I would NEVER use
to hold a pair of $ 1,200 speakers.

I went to a Menards (like home depot) and actualy found a mount that is
designed for small lcd tv's. I plan on using the four screws that hold the
binding post in to mount the speaker to the mount. I really want to avoid drilling holes in the back of the speaker if I can.


PARADIGM, THIS IS A CRAPPY WAY TO SELL A SPEAKER THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE MOUNTED ON A WALL!!!!!

Just got my first pair of ADP-590's. The instructions state " these speakers no longer come will wall mounting hardware. Contact your dealer for instalation."

They do come with a very cheap little plastic tab that I would NEVER use
to hold a pair of $ 1,200 speakers.

I went to a Menards (like home depot) and actualy found a mount that is
designed for small lcd tv's. I plan on using the four screws that hold the
binding post in to mount the speaker to the mount. I really want to avoid drilling holes in the back of the speaker if I can.


PARADIGM, THIS IS A CRAPPY WAY TO SELL A SPEAKER THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE MOUNTED ON A WALL!!!!!

Wow -- my 590s came with mounting hardware. Why the change?

Wow -- my 590s came with mounting hardware. Why the change?
The only mounting hardware was a very small plastic clip.

Do you have pictures of the mounting hardware you have?

I wonder if I have to order this from Paradigm?

I had heard a rumor that they no longer sold the speakers with the mounting brackets.. I just don't understand why.. they need to come with SOMETHING that will hold it... Its like selling a car with out a steering wheel... What the crap am I going to do with a custom speaker that doesn't have mounting brackets.. standard wall mounts wont work with those speakers (without having to drill) any drill holes you make will void warranty... :(

The only mounting hardware was a very small plastic clip.

Do you have pictures of the mounting hardware you have?

I wonder if I have to order this from Paradigm?

No pictures, since they are already on the wall. I'll have to see if I can find the instructions though.

I have sent an e-mail to Paradigm, we'll see how it turns out.

I had heard a rumor that they no longer sold the speakers with the mounting brackets.. I just don't understand why.. they need to come with SOMETHING that will hold it... Its like selling a car with out a steering wheel... What the crap am I going to do with a custom speaker that doesn't have mounting brackets.. standard wall mounts wont work with those speakers (without having to drill) any drill holes you make will void warranty... :(

not exactly what one was hoping by way of a "paradigm shift" ;)

Authorizedelectronics.comThey do not have them on their website, but they do offer them for sale, if you call them. They are not a dealer, rather they dropship from a distributor(not sure what that means).

Drop shipping usually means you buy a product from business "A", who in turn buys it from business "B" (obviously at a discounted rate), then has business "B" ship the product directly to you. This way reduces shipping time, and makes it possible to purchase products if the original buyer is not authorized to do so (as in buying wholesale).

I would be concerned about how warranty work would be honored; whom do you ship the speaker back to? I have read stories on the net of Paradigm dealers (as in one that may be closest to you) not accepting warranty work for speakers not purchased from them.

This from the Authorizedelectronics.com site:

"WARRANTY DISCLAIMER

All products sold by AuthorizedElectronics.com are third party products and are subject to the warranties and representations of the applicable manufacturers. Accordingly, AuthorizedElectronics.com makes no representation or warranty with respect to the product sold.Authorized Electronics will service or exchange any product that is defective within the first 30 days only."

Don't think I like the way that sounds! :(

Hey guys,

Got a somewhat off-topic question for you guys. Does anyone happen to have a vector graphics (Adobe Ilustrator, CorelDraw) version of the Paradigm Reference logo? I'd like to create some signs or even high def image graphics for display before I start a movie in my house and I can't seem to find anything but the standard Paradigm logo. www.brandsfortheworld.com is where I was able to find most of the stuff I was looking for, but had no luck for the Reference logo.

Thanks and regards,
Jeff

In this particular case, I'm willing to accept the risk(although based on my communication with him, I doubt there is much), for the reward of money saved. ;)

If you look at it another way, how much do you loose if the speakers are not as described, don't sound how you like, or if they break with no warrenty?

A good local dealer will almost always take good care of you and go that extra mile. If something looks fishy or out of place they might even come out and look at it!

IMHO (and this is just me) when it comes to anything as expensive as good speakers, I want to be able to have an established relationship with someone I can look in the eye. You can then keep throwing business in that direction in exchange for some pretty good deals for being a loyal customer in the future as well. Believe it or not, you can get pretty good deals by simply asking.

And then sometimes when you ask they give you 5% off and pretend like they're doing you a major favor. Some places just won't come off of MSRP, and they subsequently lose my business. There are some local shops that will give me B2B pricing on everything in their store, but our local Paradigm dealer is not one of them. They generally suck in pricing.

Believe it or not, you can get pretty good deals by simply asking.

I've been using a pair of Mopads under my CC-470 with great success on top of a 51" RPTV. They also have the added benefit of including an additional wedge shape to angle the speaker towards the listening position. See photo.

Auralex Mopad (http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_mopad/sound_isolation_mopad.asp)

I've been running the CC-470 above my 65" RPTV on Mopads for about a week now. I can confirm that this has made a noticable improvement. I also like being able to angle the speaker towards the listening position. Thanks for the tip!

And then sometimes when you ask they give you 5% off and pretend like they're doing you a major favor. Some places just won't come off of MSRP, and they subsequently lose my business. There are some local shops that will give me B2B pricing on everything in their store, but our local Paradigm dealer is not one of them. They generally suck in pricing.


Paradigm's pricing is double. ADP-590's list for $ 1,199, Dealer cost
is $ 600. A reasonable markup of 35-40% puts them at $ 925- 1,000.
So based on that, a reasonable discount from list is 15-20%.

Just my opinion.

Hi, Guys,

Please advice which way to go - the Studio 100 or the Sig S4 way. Both had very attractive sound at the dealer so I am confused. The S4 sounded more precise; the S100 had more nuances at the bottom (if I am not wrong in my perceptions). I have already a Velo sub - SPL1200R, and probably I will go with Arcam 350 receiver.

Thanks.

I have been referred to Paradigm and it has sparked an interest. I am curious about putting a bookshelf setup together and I would like to know what you guys think.

Intended setup: Atom monitor v5 for fronts and rears and cc190 for center.

I have read thru most of this thread and have not seen anyone using atoms for fronts - mostly large bookshelves or towers. I know they are small bookshelf speakers but do they sound small? Or is their sound bigger than their size? I have auditioned some other small bookshelf speakers(about the same size driver) and they sound small - not a full, rich sound.
I have a 12'w x 19'd x 9'h room opening up into a side room, I would say it is a 50/50 split between music and movies. I listen at a low to medium level(volume).

Please lend any advice you can share from your experiences.

Thanks.....

The Sig 4 is considerably more than the Sig 2 and the Sig 2 goes lower. Only you can decide whether the Sig series is worth more than the Studio, but make sure to listen to the Sig 2 before you buy the Sig 4.

I have been referred to Paradigm and it has sparked an interest. I am curious about putting a bookshelf setup together and I would like to know what you guys think.

Intended setup: Atom monitor v5 for fronts and rears and cc190 for center.

I have read thru most of this thread and have not seen anyone using atoms for fronts - mostly large bookshelves or towers. I know they are small bookshelf speakers but do they sound small? Or is their sound bigger than their size? I have auditioned some other small bookshelf speakers(about the same size driver) and they sound small - not a full, rich sound.
I have a 12'w x 19'd x 9'h room opening up into a side room, I would say it is a 50/50 split between music and movies. I listen at a low to medium level(volume).

Please lend any advice you can share from your experiences.

Thanks.....

I have Atom V4 fronts, but use them in a 10'x12' room with the seating position 3 feet away from them. They definately do not sound small, and have a good range. However, a subwoofer is a must if you don't intend to get one. They don't go low enough on their own to be effective. I occasionally turn it up and sit about 10 feet away and they sound ok, though to be fair, I have everything optimized for the 3 feet position. You may want to look at something bigger like the Monitors or Titans for fronts, though the Atoms should suit you well.

I have been referred to Paradigm and it has sparked an interest. I am curious about putting a bookshelf setup together and I would like to know what you guys think.

Intended setup: Atom monitor v5 for fronts and rears and cc190 for center.

I have read thru most of this thread and have not seen anyone using atoms for fronts - mostly large bookshelves or towers. I know they are small bookshelf speakers but do they sound small? Or is their sound bigger than their size? I have auditioned some other small bookshelf speakers(about the same size driver) and they sound small - not a full, rich sound.
I have a 12'w x 19'd x 9'h room opening up into a side room, I would say it is a 50/50 split between music and movies. I listen at a low to medium level(volume).

Please lend any advice you can share from your experiences.

Thanks.....


The atoms have great reviews and I auditioned them at my local Paradigm dealer and they sounded fine, better than other bookshelf speakers I've auditioned. But as Imp stated, you will definately need a good subwoofer.

But then I A/B 'd them next to the Studio 60's.... it was a whole different ballpark... and we'll I spent a "bit" more and bought the 60's. But you really need to audition them yourself.

My HT is approximately the same size as yours, so the Studio 100's were just too big (and more expensive :)). I also auditioned the 40's and was very impressed and they might be something to consider if you want to stay with the bookshelf. The 20's might be something else you would want to consider.

I am extremely pleased with the 60's and do not regret spending the extra moolah. Again, the only way you'll know is to audition them yourself. Good luck!

And then sometimes when you ask they give you 5% off and pretend like they're doing you a major favor. Some places just won't come off of MSRP, and they subsequently lose my business. There are some local shops that will give me B2B pricing on everything in their store, but our local Paradigm dealer is not one of them. They generally suck in pricing.

I take it that you give your employer/clients 10-15% of your paycheck back every month. :D:D

Thanks for the responses..
I have and will be using a subwoofer with my setup. It just seems that not a lot of people were/are using bookshelf speakers for fronts,or at least not the atoms.

Comparisons:
Boston cr67- not pleasing at all
Polk rti4 - good on movies, not as well for music(sound not as deep or rich)
Beta 10 - good on music-have not tried on movies

Are the atoms geared more towards HT or music? hopefully both. Am I asking too much out of bookshelf speakers?
I do plan on auditioning the atoms in the next couple of days.

Thanks....

Thanks for the responses..

Are the atoms geared more towards HT or music? hopefully both. Am I asking too much out of bookshelf speakers?
I do plan on auditioning the atoms in the next couple of days.

Thanks....

This is the advantage of working with your local dealer. Audition the atoms at the showroom. If you really like their sound, take them home and listen in your envronment. If you aren't satisfied, take them back... and then try the 60's ;)

Remember, you and your guests will not be flipping between speakers and making comparisons during a movie or when listening to music. Just be sure you get a good center speaker for dialogue, a good sub to fill in the lows, and that the sound from your mains is not tiring after a few hours. The only way to do this is to try them yourself, at home.

I have and will be using a subwoofer with my setup. It just seems that not a lot of people were/are using bookshelf speakers for fronts,or at least not the atoms.

In listening tests at a friend's house with various Paradigm and PSB speakers and an SVS sub, we found that the use of a sub does not seem to fully compensate... a full-range speaker still sounds more full. Perhaps because the crossover rolls off slowly, so you still have significant signal going to the main speakers below 40 hz. We calibrated the sub using a meter for each set of speakers, and the sound was still more full with a full-range speaker. My friend spoke with some dealers about this and they agreed that a full range speaker still has an edge.

I'm in an apartment now but will be in the market for a house soon. I'd agree to small speakers and a sub in a living room if it helps with the decor, but would prefer full range speakers and a sub (or two) in the basement. However, the full-range route is a more expensive route, and the best sound for the money may well be to use smaller speakers and a sub.

With Paradigm, none of their current speakers are really full-range, so the advantage of the larger speakers is mainly in the ability to play louder with less distortion.

I am a relative newbie, and I am looking for feedback from Paradigm diehards.

I am setting up a new home theater. I own older (3 years old) Paradigm speakers (Monitor mini, cc390, adp190s (4) and a PDR12) which I suspect will be underpowered in the new HT room which is 22x17x8ft.

I was thinking of upgrading to:

Studio 60 (L & R)
CC690
ADP 490 (surrounds and rear)

2 x SVS PB or PC13 Ultra

Does that sound like a good match for the room size? And is the SVS Ultras a good match for the Paradigm Studios

I am also thinking of the new Onkyo 905, Yamaha RX-V3800, or the Sony 5300ES. Is any particular receiver better with Paradigm? I have a Yamaha V2400 with my current Paradigm setup and I like the way they sound.

I would appreciate any feedback. I am putting, what to me, is an awful lot of money into this and I want to get the most bang / value for the money.

I have read a great deal on this forum and I have a lot of respect for those who respond regularly

You may also want to look at Paradigm's Servo-15. You may be able to get a good deal if you're going with Paradigm for the rest of the system.

The servo is good but the SVS are a better buy and they go lower. I'd keep your current surrounds... they don't need to match., especially with dipoles. In fact, you could use your mini monitors for rear surrounds and go 7.1. You'd just have to sell your centre and subwoofer.

Given the similarity in price, audition the Studio 60s against the Signature 20s and see which sounds better with a subwoofer. The only drawback there is that the signature centres are so expensive, but if you can avoid buying surrounds, maybe it will fit the budget.

Just noticed the room dimensions... you may want the extra power handling of the Studio 60s. You could check out the Energy RC-70 with matching centre.... They are more efficient and get great comments. Again, you could keep your current surrounds and use the mini monitors in the back.

I have the Studio 20s and a cc-470 and read that review too.

The whole concept is just to decouple the speaker from the TV.

I just used the legs that came with the CC-470 and angled the speaker down towards my seats -- since it was above me on top of my 55 inch TV. So the back legs were set higher than the front legs.

I don't think the foam is needed.

Here's what it looked like:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/equip1.jpg


Hey guys...I just picked up a used pair of Studio 20s used for 1/3 their retail...man, I'm in bargain audiophile heaven. My question: unfortunately I'll have to put these on a shelf (I have a wall of built-in cabinets and shelves) in my 20X15 room and I have foam to decouple...how much space, realistically, do I need to keep from hearing the shelves (I've hear 2" is sufficient). Any other pointers for set up (toe in or straight, etc.)? Also, I'm using them with an Onkyo 603 but I'd like to upgrade electronics. I use them for 50% movies and 50%jazz/classical.

Thanks for the help...glad to finally be in the Paradigm family.

Hey guys...I just picked up a used pair of Studio 20s used for 1/3 their retail...man, I'm in bargain audiophile heaven. My question: unfortunately I'll have to put these on a shelf (I have a wall of built-in cabinets and shelves) in my 20X15 room and I have foam to decouple...how much space, realistically, do I need to keep from hearing the shelves (I've hear 2" is sufficient). Any other pointers for set up (toe in or straight, etc.)? Also, I'm using them with an Onkyo 603 but I'd like to upgrade electronics. I use them for 50% movies and 50%jazz/classical.

Thanks for the help...glad to finally be in the Paradigm family.

You got a great deal on the speakers. Congradulations!

The article mentioned in the quote recommended 1 inch of foam. The Auralex Mopads are 1 inch in front and about 1.5 inch in back... thicker if you use the supplied wedge. I use these for my CC-470 and they work great.

You got a great deal on the speakers. Congradulations!

The article mentioned in the quote recommended 1 inch of foam. The Auralex Mopads are 1 inch in front and about 1.5 inch in back... thicker if you use the supplied wedge. I use these for my CC-470 and they work great.

I'm still hearing the bookshelf more than I'd like to even with decoupling foam. I've got them out over the edge about 1/2" and 2" of air all the way around......I might try to talk the significant other into stands for in front of the bookshelf...she even made a comment that the lows sounded a little garbled...I'll use that as ammo for the stands. : )

stands and some distance from the walls will improve the sound.

What?

I take it that you give your employer/clients 10-15% of your paycheck back every month. :D:D

What?

Based on your post it seems that if a dealer doesn't give a discount they suck. I'm just curious if you give your employer a discount on your services. :D

A dealer has no obligation to give a good price, but such a dealer won't get my business. I don't expect a dealer to lose money, but 20% off list is quite do-able and allows a reasonable profit. I've found Paradigm to be easy to get 20% off, and the clear-out price when a line is being phased out is 35% off, even for demos, so I think 35% off may be the lowest price a dealer is allowed to charge.

A dealer has no obligation to give a good price, but such a dealer won't get my business. I don't expect a dealer to lose money, but 20% off list is quite do-able and allows a reasonable profit. I've found Paradigm to be easy to get 20% off, and the clear-out price when a line is being phased out is 35% off, even for demos, so I think 35% off may be the lowest price a dealer is allowed to charge.

I don't want this to turn into a huge debate and that's why I used the :D.

I'm all for getting stuff at the lowest price possible and make every attempt to do so.

My point is simply that it's easy to say how much profit is reasonable when someone else is making it. If any of our employers or clients came to us and said "I'm taking 20% off your paycheck cause I think you're making a reasonable wage/profit" we'd all scream to high heaven. :)

Not really trying to argue. It isn't unfair to charge what you can get, and if I were a dealer, I'd accept list price if someone was willing to pay it. However, I also know what sort of discounts some dealers give, and so I won't deal with dealers who don't bargain. If you agree to the price, you haven't been taken advantage of... I do find the dealers who won't budge from list hard to figure out. They must know they're losing sales to other dealers.

I'm interested in substituting my cc 570 v3 with the cc 690. Is the cc 690 timbre matched with the 100s v2? My other option is 2 x studio 40s v2 as centre.

Any views?

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I brought up the "Hardware Not Included" sheet that Paradigm includes with their speakers now as it confused me as well. Use the plastic brackets - I mounted mine with two drywall anchors each, and they are holding fine. I also expected something more substantial, but the concept is to hold them as close to the wall as possible I believe. Once you've got them anchored to the wall, you'll see that it is less frightening than you expect. The hardware comment on the sheet must refer to screws or anchors.

Garth

The hardware comment on the sheet must refer to screws or anchors.

Ahh.. so the plastic anchors/hooks/whatever are included? so it is just the screws that are missing when you receive your ADPs?? That makes more sense.. I thought nothing was included now.. (which would be horrible)..

ADP Anchors

The v4 ADP's come with the following components for mounting now:

1EA Safety Screw & Safety Cable (used to provide additional security when mounting though I don't really see the value)
1EA Plastic Bracket (slide the ADP over this to secure it against the wall
1EA Sticky Pads (attach to bottom of ADP if you are placing it on stands or shelves)

Each plastic bracket requires 2EA anchors for securing to the wall. I used two 50lb capacity mollies to mount mine just to be extra sure. They are very secure from what I can tell and they are solely mounted against 1/2-5/8" thick drywall. They should have just left the sheet saying hardware isn't included out of the box as it confused me at first too.

Garth

I just got my new Studio 100v4's set up and they sound good, although with the kids sleeping I can't really turn it up. This now completes my setup! I've got them running bi-amped off a Denon 4308ci, so each speaker is getting 140 watts x2. They match nicely with my CC690 (biwired), ADP-590's, and Seismic-12 (I'd probably get a SVS PB13 plus if I did it all over again).

I just got my new Studio 100v4's set up and they sound good, although with the kids sleeping I can't really turn it up. This now completes my setup! I've got them running bi-amped off a Denon 4308ci, so each speaker is getting 140 watts x2. They match nicely with my CC690 (biwired), ADP-590's, and Seismic-12 (I'd probably get a SVS PB13 plus if I did it all over again).

congratulations but your still getting 140 watts to each speaker with that
confiquration and make sure there is no caution about 4ohm in that mode
because they dip to 2.8 ohms unless the spec has changed.

What do you mean I'm only getting 140 watts to each speaker? Me thinks you don't know what you're talking about. The mains are set up bi-amped, NOT bi wired. Please explain.

congratulations but your still getting 140 watts to each speaker with that
confiquration and make sure there is no caution about 4ohm in that mode
because they dip to 2.8 ohms unless the spec has changed.

congratulations but your still getting 140 watts to each speaker with that
confiquration and make sure there is no caution about 4ohm in that mode
because they dip to 2.8 ohms unless the spec has changed.

No he is getting quite a bit more than that if he is using 2 140wpc amps, even if they are in a receiver. Check out this (http://www.sonicfrontiers.com/HTML/TechnicalSupport/TechSupport.html#5) link from Anthem.

Not only that, but what does 4 ohm rating have to do with anything? They are separate amps. The receiver doesn't know or care if its amplifying separate speakers or separate parts of the same speaker.

What do you mean I'm only getting 140 watts to each speaker? Me thinks you don't know what you're talking about. The mains are set up bi-amped, NOT bi wired. Please explain.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the "top half" of you speaker is getting 140 watts, amd the "bottom half" is getting 140 watts. The whole speaker is not getting 280 watts.

As oztech said, it's still only 140 watts.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the "top half" of you speaker is getting 140 watts, amd the "bottom half" is getting 140 watts. The whole speaker is not getting 280 watts.

As oztech said, it's still only 140 watts.

No, check out this link: http://www.sonicfrontiers.com/HTML/TechnicalSupport/TechSupport.html#5 Its from Anthem, which is owned by Paradigm.

Its not double but it is a far cry from the original wpc. As Anthem says the resistance of the speaker at the frequencies not produced by each speaker half will be so high as to basically not be amplified. Therefore almost the amps entire wattage can be used to amplify the signal that each section of a speaker is called upon to reproduce.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the "top half" of you speaker is getting 140 watts, amd the "bottom half" is getting 140 watts. The whole speaker is not getting 280 watts.

As oztech said, it's still only 140 watts.

I am assuming that it is bad to bi-amp and not remove the 2 gold bars from the back of the speakers... just checking..

Yes this would be a very bad thing.

I am assuming that it is bad to bi-amp and not remove the 2 gold bars from the back of the speakers... just checking..

Hi,

I am a newbie, and I just purchased my first set of Paradigms, this is what I got so far.

Pioneer PDP 5070HD
Onkyo 605 receiver
CC-290
2 Mini Monitors fronts
2 ADP 190 surrounds
PDR 10
HD cable box
Xbox

* I need to get a DVD, most likely one that can record from my HD cable box... any suggestions?


I have them set up in my living room which is about 12x12 and it opens up into the dining room/kitchen... (14 x 24) see the pics attached...

I need some suggestions as to where to place the surrounds, as well as the others speakers. The TV is about to be mounted on the wall 40" from floor, and I was thinking of putting the CC-290 underneath the TV, but I am not sure if i should put it on a floating stand or in the stand where the TV is right now, or get a longer stand for the CC-290 and the other equipment.

As far as the Mini-monitors, I was thinking of putting them on some floorstands, is there any other stands that can be used with the Mini-monitors that maybe have a different look than the solid black ones sold by paradigm? either some stainless steel, or something else that would match nicely with my living room. Something else that crossed my mind, was to get the Monitor 7 instead of the Mini-monitor + stand? How would the Monitor 7 match with the rest of my speakers?

Finally as far as the PDR10, should i put that in the front (next to TV) or back next to the couch?

any other suggestions are greatly appreciated... thank you in advance.

Hi,

I am a newbie, and I just purchased my first set of Paradigms, this is what I got so far.

Pioneer PDP 5070HD
Onkyo 605 receiver
CC-290
2 Mini Monitors fronts
2 ADP 190 surrounds
PDR 10
HD cable box
Xbox

* I need to get a DVD, most likely one that can record from my HD cable box... any suggestions?


I have them set up in my living room which is about 12x12 and it opens up into the dining room/kitchen... (14 x 24) see the pics attached...

I need some suggestions as to where to place the surrounds, as well as the others speakers. The TV is about to be mounted on the wall 40" from floor, and I was thinking of putting the CC-290 underneath the TV, but I am not sure if i should put it on a floating stand or in the stand where the TV is right now, or get a longer stand for the CC-290 and the other equipment.

As far as the Mini-monitors, I was thinking of putting them on some floorstands, is there any other stands that can be used with the Mini-monitors that maybe have a different look than the solid black ones sold by paradigm? either some stainless steel, or something else that would match nicely with my living room. Something else that crossed my mind, was to get the Monitor 7 instead of the Mini-monitor + stand? How would the Monitor 7 match with the rest of my speakers?

Finally as far as the PDR10, should i put that in the front (next to TV) or back next to the couch?

any other suggestions are greatly appreciated... thank you in advance.
As far as I know the only device that can record HD content is a DVR or a computer, regular dvd recorders cannot, unless there is something new out and if that's the case let me know:)
I have my subwoofer next to my t.v. stand and I think it sounds great, A lot of home theater speaker set-up's advise to place it there.
How do you like your 5070? And by the way, nice purse;)

No he is getting quite a bit more than that if he is using 2 140wpc amps, even if they are in a receiver. Check out this (http://www.sonicfrontiers.com/HTML/TechnicalSupport/TechSupport.html#5) link from Anthem.

Not only that, but what does 4 ohm rating have to do with anything? They are separate amps. The receiver doesn't know or care if its amplifying separate speakers or separate parts of the same speaker.
some not all say in the owners manual not to bi-amp if the speakers
nominal impeadence is lower than 8ohm.

some not all say in the owners manual not to bi-amp if the speakers
nominal impeadence is lower than 8ohm.

That could be, although I don't see what difference it would make. Anyway none of the 4 sets of Paradigms I have owned had owner's manuals that ever said anything like that.

Do you have any examples, or PDFs?

I have been referred to Paradigm and it has sparked an interest. I am curious about putting a bookshelf setup together and I would like to know what you guys think.

Intended setup: Atom monitor v5 for fronts and rears and cc190 for center.

I have read thru most of this thread and have not seen anyone using atoms for fronts - mostly large bookshelves or towers. I know they are small bookshelf speakers but do they sound small? Or is their sound bigger than their size? I have auditioned some other small bookshelf speakers(about the same size driver) and they sound small - not a full, rich sound.
I have a 12'w x 19'd x 9'h room opening up into a side room, I would say it is a 50/50 split between music and movies. I listen at a low to medium level(volume).

Please lend any advice you can share from your experiences.

Thanks.....


MikeLo, I just purchased a set of Atom Monitors for my fronts and the CC190 for my center in my rectangular shaped room in my apartment. The reviews I've read have been overwhelmingly positive for them, plus they look stunning for the price (I'm very aesthetically driven, yet hate the super flamboyant and flashy) and I was not disappointed when I opened the boxes up. They are very unique with the latex rubber coloured drivers which really seperate them from your typical black-driver-econo-box feel without looking like a set of Gallos.

I'm waiting to get a good receiver, after extensively checking reviews I'll probably be picking up a JVC RX-D702 http://reviews.cnet.com/av-receivers/jvc-rx-d702/4505-6466_7-31473551.html?tag=lst in the next few days and make a follow-up post in this thread with my impressions.

I'm waiting on what I am going to get for my rears because my main concern is that the atoms won't fill the front stage enough, so I'll move them to the back and get some titans or mini monitors for the front.

That could be, although I don't see what difference it would make. Anyway none of the 4 sets of Paradigms I have owned had owner's manuals that ever said anything like that.

Do you have any examples, or PDFs?

i think you misunderstood me that info is in the receivers
manual maybe someone with some tech knowledge can
explain why the mfg. added this under a caution as for the
brand and model we install to many for me to remember
just that things like this stick in your head if you wire it
wrong and fry it you own it makes you read all cautions
with each install.

i think you misunderstood me that info is in the receivers
manual maybe someone with some tech knowledge can
explain why the mfg. added this under a caution as for the
brand and model we install to many for me to remember
just that things like this stick in your head if you wire it
wrong and fry it you own it makes you read all cautions
with each install.

You must be confusing "bi-amp" with "bridging". There would be reason that you could not bi-amp a speaker that has impedance lower than 8 ohms either with physically separate amps or separate amps built into a receiver as long as the amps in question could handle that load.

Most separate amps would definitely not have a problem and if a receiver can handle less than an 8 ohm load than that means that all the channels can handle that load. This applies whether or not that load is an entire speaker or separate sections of a speaker.

I know there are people out there who use 7 channel receivers to drive 5.1 channel setups and use the 2 additional channels to bi-amp their mains. I don't see what difference it makes if that receiver were driving 7 speakers with less than 8 ohm impedance or 5 said speakers with the mains bi-amped.

I don't want this to sound argumenative in any way, I'm just curious about a situation where what you claim would be valid. I can't see it. The receiver or amp can either handle a load less than 8 ohms or it can't, regardless if you're bi-amping or not.

You must be confusing "bi-amp" with "bridging". There would be reason that you could not bi-amp a speaker that has impedance lower than 8 ohms either with physically separate amps or separate amps built into a receiver as long as the amps in question could handle that load.

Most separate amps would definitely not have a problem and if a receiver can handle less than an 8 ohm load than that means that all the channels can handle that load. This applies whether or not that load is an entire speaker or separate sections of a speaker.

I know there are people out there who use 7 channel receivers to drive 5.1 channel setups and use the 2 additional channels to bi-amp their mains. I don't see what difference it makes if that receiver were driving 7 speakers with less than 8 ohm impedance or 5 said speakers with the mains bi-amped.

I don't want this to sound argumenative in any way, I'm just curious about a situation where what you claim would be valid. I can't see it. The receiver or amp can either handle a load less than 8 ohms or it can't, regardless if you're bi-amping or not.
ok on page 29 of my manual it says make sure when you use
bridging and bi-amping make sure the speaker impedance is 8
ohm or higher maybe it has something to do with rail voltage
i have an integra 10.5.and as for sound it may introduce unwanted distortion.

As far as I know the only device that can record HD content is a DVR or a computer, regular dvd recorders cannot, unless there is something new out and if that's the case let me know
I have my subwoofer next to my t.v. stand and I think it sounds great, A lot of home theater speaker set-up's advise to place it there.
How do you like your 5070? And by the way, nice purse

thank you, i do like the purse as well :) I love the PDP 5070, I've had it over a year now, and I've had nothing but compliments on it, and no problems at all. Definitely worth it..

Yeah well I want a DVR I guess. I wasnt sure if its better to get a separate DVR like TiVo and get a DVD or just get a DVR... Which DVR do you recommend? I got a LG one for x-mas for parents, and they like it a lot, I've used a bit, and It seems pretty user friendly.. and good features... any thing better out there now????

as far as the paradigm... what do you think? should I keep the Mini monitors and get some speaker stands? or should i just get some speakers that are flooor standing?

In the future... i will have a basement with a home theater room dedicated, so I would probably be upgrading my speakers... so if I can re-use any of them, that would be great.. i.e. use fronts as surrounds... ? which speakers would make the better surrounds in a bigger setting that can be used as fronts now?

thanks

i have always bought the most speaker i could afford for the space available that being
said i have the 100's 570 and 20's in a 17x17 with it open to a kitchen and den.

thank you, i do like the purse as well :) I love the PDP 5070, I've had it over a year now, and I've had nothing but compliments on it, and no problems at all. Definitely worth it..

Yeah well I want a DVR I guess. I wasnt sure if its better to get a separate DVR like TiVo and get a DVD or just get a DVR... Which DVR do you recommend? I got a LG one for x-mas for parents, and they like it a lot, I've used a bit, and It seems pretty user friendly.. and good features... any thing better out there now????

as far as the paradigm... what do you think? should I keep the Mini monitors and get some speaker stands? or should i just get some speakers that are flooor standing?

In the future... i will have a basement with a home theater room dedicated, so I would probably be upgrading my speakers... so if I can re-use any of them, that would be great.. i.e. use fronts as surrounds... ? which speakers would make the better surrounds in a bigger setting that can be used as fronts now?

thanks
Thanx for the info on the pioneer, one may be in my future....I have yet to see a stand alone dvr other than tivo or one sold through the cable company.. L.G. products scare me, but that's only because I work on appliances for a living and they have a lot of issues!
As for speakers, most people on here seem to like dipoles for rears, but I have a pair of studio 40's which I am using in an upstairs listening room, but will be moving to my theater once built and will be used as side surrounds.
I would not get floor standers for rears, I think it's ridiculous unless you use them for multi-channel music, but that's just me....studio 20's would also be nice, not sure if either are in your budget?

My room is 20 x 13. I am looking for the following set:

CC590
Studio 4
ADP 590 - surround
ADP 590 - back

Is that too much? My use is movies. Not very concerned about money - but dont want to waste if no sensible difference.

Thanks

Josep

Can the CC-290 Monitor Center or Millenia Center work well with Studio 20s or 40s L/Rs.

Are the Millenias as good as the Studio Series?

The problem is that I have a BDI cabinet which can only accommodate 7" tall Center Speaker in its drawer.

My Room is 14x17 with 8' ceiling.

Will my Onkyo TX-SR602 receiver be able to handle the Paradigm Speakers?

Can the CC-290 Monitor Center or Millenia Center work well with Studio 20s or 40s L/Rs.

Are the Millenias as good as the Studio Series?

The problem is that I have a BDI cabinet which can only accommodate 7" tall Center Speaker in its drawer.

My Room is 14x17 with 8' ceiling.

Will my Onkyo TX-SR602 receiver be able to handle the Paradigm Speakers?
The Millenias are definitely not as good as a studio speakers, your paying more for design...To make the wife happy:D

Hey, I just got a PRO-150FD in my new media room (20x14). And am looking at getting the full Paradigm Signature S8 5.1 system.
I'm wondering
1) What rears should I use to upgrade to the best 7.1 system possible? Maybe the S2s?
2) What receivers and amps should I use to get the absolute best sound from these speakers while also having furture-proofing for next-gen audio formats? Possibly a high end Elite receiver in conjunction with more amps? (I've been a videophile for quite some time and don't know as much about audio components)
Thanks

My room is 20 x 13. I am looking for the following set:

CC590
Studio 4
ADP 590 - surround
ADP 590 - back

Generally dipoles are not recommended for the back. Those that use dipoles usually have them on the sides and regular speakers in the back.

Ed

Hey, I just got a PRO-150FD in my new media room (20x14). And am looking at getting the full Paradigm Signature S8 5.1 system.
I'm wondering
1) What rears should I use to upgrade to the best 7.1 system possible? Maybe the S2s?
2) What receivers and amps should I use to get the absolute best sound from these speakers while also having furture-proofing for next-gen audio formats? Possibly a high end Elite receiver in conjunction with more amps? (I've been a videophile for quite some time and don't know as much about audio components)
Thanks

S2's for the rear

Anthem D2 pre pro
Anthem P2 and P5 amps

or you can wait a couple of months and see what the new Rotel pre pro has to offer.

Has anyone had problems w/ their Paradigm Mid/MidBass drivers. I swear one is performing "much better" than the other. This is what I've tried/done so far in order.

:various in room placements including various toe-ins
:switched/swapped spkr wire connections for possible phase issues
:swapped the spkrs (L for R and R for L)
:purchased $1200 worth of Bass traps
:Experimented w/ crosover settings (no positive results)

This is on all sources not just one or two. There is no buzzing coming from the less powerful mid/midbass driver but it does sound more nasally in its intended area of reproduction. I am exhausted and confounded. I still find myself trying to do some critical listening on my modest set-up.

The Model is Studio 60v.4

Generally dipoles are not recommended for the back. Those that use dipoles usually have them on the sides and regular speakers in the back.

Ed
I agree, but Paradigm does recommend using them as rears....

Well, I am finally one step closer to finishing my Small HT.. Went to my local dealer and purchased Studio 100's, and CC690 v4. ADP590s purchased from audiogon will be used for surrounds in a 5.1 setup and for now they will be powered by a Denon 3808ci. I currently have a PB13-Ultra but will be returning that due to amp problems. I plan on switching over to the JL Audio fathom f113 as my dealer is also JL authorized and gave me a better overall package discount. As the funds become available, I later plan on adding a Rotel RMB1095. My display is a JVC 56FN97 with Dishnetwork HD and a dedicated HTPC for DVD upscaling.. BlueRay and/0r HDDVD to come later..

Cant wait to take delivery in two weeks!:D

Can the CC-290 Monitor Center or Millenia Center work well with Studio 20s or 40s L/Rs.

Are the Millenias as good as the Studio Series?

The problem is that I have a BDI cabinet which can only accommodate 7" tall Center Speaker in its drawer.

My Room is 14x17 with 8' ceiling.

Will my Onkyo TX-SR602 receiver be able to handle the Paradigm Speakers?

Hey,
I just bought the Studio 20's that I run with an Onkyo 603 (almost identical to your setup). On many 2 channel recordings with enough volume its hard to tell when the sub is off (I trick my friends all the time) and I use them in a HUGE room 30/20...get them a good distance up off the floor, away from walls and shelves and they will not disappoint...see Mark Fleishman's article in last month's Home Theater Magazine for the Onkyo receiver (574?) and Studio 20's...also, if you run the auto-setup be sure and go back in and manually select 60Hz crossover as the 20s will do this easily and it effectively delocalizes the sub so it REALLY sounds like all the bass comes from the fronts. Hope this helps...

I agree, but Paradigm does recommend using them as rears....Ya, but don't forget that Paradigm (or any other manufacturer) is biased and has their interests over yours. After all, they stopped making dipoles the proper way, didn't tell you about it, and say that it doesn't make a difference, without any data to support that, once they were discovered. On the other hand, the practice of not using dipoles in the rear comes from the many users on this forum that are seeking audio nirvana.

Ed

Ya, but don't forget that Paradigm (or any other manufacturer) is biased and has their interests over yours. After all, they stopped making dipoles the proper way, didn't tell you about it, and say that it doesn't make a difference, without any data to support that, once they were discovered. On the other hand, the practice of not using dipoles in the rear comes from the many users on this forum that are seeking audio nirvana.

Ed

I'm old school and won't even use them on the sides. I think if your going to build a dedicated theater you should be able to get it right without the use of dipoles, imo.......

Has anyone had problems w/ their Paradigm Mid/MidBass drivers. I swear one is performing "much better" than the other. This is what I've tried/done so far in order.

:various in room placements including various toe-ins
:switched/swapped spkr wire connections for possible phase issues
:swapped the spkrs (L for R and R for L)
:purchased $1200 worth of Bass traps
:Experimented w/ crosover settings (no positive results)

This is on all sources not just one or two. There is no buzzing coming from the less powerful mid/midbass driver but it does sound more nasally in its intended area of reproduction. I am exhausted and confounded. I still find myself trying to do some critical listening on my modest set-up.

The Model is Studio 60v.4
Can't say I've ever had this problem. It sounds like you've tried everthing. Swapping speakers would be the tell-all. I assume the problem moved with the speaker when you swapped them. Try talking to the dealer or the factory.

i see where paradigm is offering some ported subs now the pictures were taken
at cedia.

I recently purchased Studio 40 v.4 and am currently running it off a Yamaha AVR. I am considering my options to upgrade the amplifier to either Solid State or Tubes. I have listened to some Tube Amplifiers and they sounded very good to me, so I'm interested to whether the Studio 40 will work with Tubes. As they are relatively efficient speakers - 92db in-room, I would guess they could/would work with Tubes. Say a 30 or 40W tube amp? If I went SS, I would guess I would be looking at upgrading to a larger power amp, say 150W/channel@8 ohms. I am keen on the tubes though, anyone with any experience??

Cheers,

Well, I am finally one step closer to finishing my Small HT.. Went to my local dealer and purchased Studio 100's, and CC690 v4. ADP590s purchased from audiogon will be used for surrounds in a 5.1 setup and for now they will be powered by a Denon 3808ci. I currently have a PB13-Ultra but will be returning that due to amp problems. I plan on switching over to the JL Audio fathom f113 as my dealer is also JL authorized and gave me a better overall package discount. As the funds become available, I later plan on adding a Rotel RMB1095. My display is a JVC 56FN97 with Dishnetwork HD and a dedicated HTPC for DVD upscaling.. BlueRay and/0r HDDVD to come later..

Cant wait to take delivery in two weeks!:D

You are going to love this set up. I recently upgraded to the same speakers.
Have a SVS Ultra/2 and a Plus/2. It truly is the best home theater sound I have ever heard. Take your time and set it up right and you will be very happy!

i see where paradigm is offering some ported subs now the pictures were taken
at cedia.

Since when have Paradigm's PS and PW series subs NOT been ported?

I'm wondering if I should upgrade my current speaker system. I currently have:

Fronts - Mini Monitors v3
Center - CC-170 v3
Rears - ADP-170 v3
Sub - PDR-10
Emotiva LMC/LPA combo

I see on craigslist someone is selling Studio 40v2, studio-cc v2 and PS-1000 for about a grand.

I think that's a great deal but I'm wondering if I'd see a reasonable improvement over my current setup. I know bass could be better. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

i have been using paradigm products for about 8 years i couldn't be happier.
you asked if you would notice a difference between the cc170 and studio cc i say yes if you can pick up the cc for under 300 do it in a heartbeat.



Paradigm Active 20/s ver 1 fronts
Paradigm LCR 450 center
Paradigm Studio 20/s x3 for rear and rear center
Velodyne 1210 passive/active sub

Onkyo TX-DS787
Playstation 3
Pioneer DVD Audio/SACD player some cheap one...

I have a PS Audio Quintet as well as a Virtual Dynamics Power Three in transit to me ill post and let you know if i notice the 'difference' i hope too.

I am actually in the market for some Paradigm's. I recently purchased a Denon AVR-4308CI and am looking for a 7.1 setup. My budget is around $4,000. Any suggestions from the audio geeks?

I am actually in the market for some Paradigm's. I recently purchased a Denon AVR-4308CI and am looking for a 7.1 setup. My budget is around $4,000. Any suggestions from the audio geeks?

AUDIO GEEKS:rolleyes:..... If you want to get all 8 at one time, you be looking at the monitor series......

Looking at the Monitor 9 vs the Studio 60 I can't find anyone local (yet) who has both so I can listen to them side by side and I have terrible audio memory.

Hope this is a simple question for those of you who have experience....standing pair vs pair...what does double the cost for the 60s get you in terms of musicality? Are the 9s really half as good? I'm not talking about looks, or even construction specs...but pure blind listening. How do the 9s stack up against the 60s in 2 channel music?

I do hope to find a store that has both for me at some point...but while I'm searching I'd appreciate any first-hand experience you all could share.

in terms of music yes the studio's are that good.

I own:

Paradigm Monitor 7s
Paradigm CC-370
Paradigm ADP-370s
SVS - PB10 sub

and a dated Yamaha RX-V540 receiver.

I want to upgrade my receiver. What would be the best receivers for my speakers?

I listen to both 2-channel music as well as DD and DTS audio for movie viewing.

if you like the sound signature of the yamaha why not a current model
also it would help if you gave a budget certain brands excel at certain price points
over other brands and visa versa.

I own:

Paradigm Monitor 7s
Paradigm CC-370
Paradigm ADP-370s
SVS - PB10 sub

and a dated Yamaha RX-V540 receiver.

I want to upgrade my receiver. What would be the best receivers for my speakers?

I listen to both 2-channel music as well as DD and DTS audio for movie viewing.
A lot of people with Paradigm go with Rotel or Anthem......

Looking at the Monitor 9 vs the Studio 60 I can't find anyone local (yet) who has both so I can listen to them side by side and I have terrible audio memory.

Hope this is a simple question for those of you who have experience....standing pair vs pair...what does double the cost for the 60s get you in terms of musicality? Are the 9s really half as good? I'm not talking about looks, or even construction specs...but pure blind listening. How do the 9s stack up against the 60s in 2 channel music?

I do hope to find a store that has both for me at some point...but while I'm searching I'd appreciate any first-hand experience you all could share.

I had a pair of the Monitor 9v5. I went to get a new CC and ended up listening to some new mains. I tried the Studio 60v4 first. I didn't notice very much improvement over my 9s, if any at all. I next listened to the Studio 100s. Holy crap! My wife looked at me and said we're getting them. There is so much difference between the 60s and 100s that there is no comparison. OTOH I don't hear much difference between the Monitor 9s and Studio 60s. The 60s are a little smoother up top but not enough to justify the price.

In short if you can get the 100s fine, otherwise the 9s are very good speakers.

AUDIO GEEKS:rolleyes:..... If you want to get all 8 at one time, you be looking at the monitor series......

I'm not the knowledible about 7.1 setups. Am I better off spening more on the front L and R and a bit less on the others? I will be using the system for music and movies.

Since movies will be a significant part of your listening, IMO bias your spending toward the sub, then center, then fronts, and surrounds last (and match them in the same model/series).

My wife looked at me and said we're getting them.

lol.. I bet you had them in the car before she was even able to finish her sentence.. :)

I'm not the knowledible about 7.1 setups. Am I better off spening more on the front L and R and a bit less on the others? I will be using the system for music and movies.I wouldn't even bother with 7.1 at this point, I would get a good 5.1 system and add the other 2 later....For movies, I think the center is critical as well as the sub, but I would spend more on a good center, a cheap sub will serve it's purpose, a cheap center will not! For music, you definitely want to spend the most on fronts. It comes down to which you will be using the system for the most.....

^^ what he said i recently upgraded from a studio 20 for a center to a lcr 450 cc... i like what i hear.

I wouldn't even bother with 7.1 at this point, I would get a good 5.1 system and add the other 2 later....For movies, I think the center is critical as well as the sub, but I would spend more on a good center, a cheap sub will serve it's purpose, a cheap center will not! For music, you definitely want to spend the most on fronts. It comes down to which you will be using the system for the most.....


Performance for music is more important to me than for movies. Base on the feedback so far, I am thinking of spending (realtively) the mosts of the fronts, followed by the center, the sub and then the rears. Any suggestions as to what to get for a total in the $4,000 range?

OK searching around some of the online sites I found the following:
Fronts: Studio 60
Center: Studio CC-590
Rear: ADP-500
Sub: PS-1200

Is it better to listen to music in either:

2 channel (left/right speaker)
2.1 channel (left/right/subwoofer)
5.1 channel (l/r/surrounds/sub)
or
upsampled to DTS or DD Live (my soundcard can do that)

OK searching around some of the online sites I found the following:
Fronts: Studio 60
Center: Studio CC-590
Rear: ADP-500
Sub: PS-1200
There are no authorized Paradigm dealers online.. You'll never get the speakers listed for under $4000.00? Also there is no adp-500? My mistake, with 15% off you would come close....

lol.. I bet you had them in the car before she was even able to finish her sentence.. :)

Yeah, and I even had to put out that night. :eek:

Seriously though I wish, it took 3 days for the shop to get 'em in. That was ok, I had to pack my 9s back up in the boxes and get them back for the trade in discount. Full price trade in within a year!

I'm leaning towards the Monitor 7 - CC290 - ADP190 and PDR12. Can someone tell me if these wil be enough to fill my 15x20 room with 20' ceiling? I've listened to these speakers in a small listening room at the dealer and thought they sounded great. Also, I'm using a 5.1 setup now with a 100watt per channel AVR, will this be adequate? Thanks

There are no authorized Paradigm dealers online.. You'll never get the speakers listed for under $4000.00? Also there is no adp-500? My mistake, with 15% off you would come close....

That was a typo - s/b ADP-590. The site I am looking at is http://hifitrader.com/.

I'm leaning towards the Monitor 7 - CC290 - ADP190 and PDR12. Can someone tell me if these wil be enough to fill my 15x20 room with 20' ceiling? I've listened to these speakers in a small listening room at the dealer and thought they sounded great. Also, I'm using a 5.1 setup now with a 100watt per channel AVR, will this be adequate? Thanks

it should unless you play it very loud then more power will have to come
to play.

That was a typo - s/b ADP-590. The site I am looking at is http://hifitrader.com/. I assume you noticed that the speakers are used, not new and would not be covered under warranty through Paradigm. It might not be a bad deal, but you would be taking a pretty pricey risk......I would check around and try to get opinions on that site.....I actually checked out the ratings on e-bay and most complaints were for long delivery times, otherwise people seemed happy....

For a room thats about 10x15, will a pair of Studio 20s be sufficient as fronts? I've got a little over $1,000 to spend on the 2 fronts and a new avr, and I'm trying to figure out how to make that balance work (Right now I'm looking at the Onkyo 605).

i use 20/s as my fronts but i have a sub hooked up as well; if you goto audiogon their are usually a few pairs of used 20/s i have ver 1 and 2 and like them both.

i use 20/s as my fronts but i have a sub hooked up as well; if you goto audiogon their are usually a few pairs of used 20/s i have ver 1 and 2 and like them both.

Will the 40s or 60s hide the fact that I don't have a sub better?

Will the 40s or 60s hide the fact that I don't have a sub better?

a little, but nothing really can hide the lack of a sub... except for a sub :)

it should unless you play it very loud then more power will have to come
to play.

That's my concern and the reason I'm looking at upgrading to the Onkyo tx-sr805. I like to play my music loud too. Do you think 130watts would be enough or should I go for the 905?

Is there anyone running an Onkyo 805 and Studio 100's?

Is this just a poor match for power reasons? I also have the option to get Studio 60's if the overall opinion is that the 805 can't properly drive the 100's.

Thoughts?

Is there anyone running an Onkyo 805 and Studio 100's?

Is this just a poor match for power reasons? I also have the option to get Studio 60's if the overall opinion is that the 805 can't properly drive the 100's.

Thoughts?
you could add an amp.

you could add an amp.

I'm already starting to hit the WAF ceiling here. I think I will be stuck with just the receiver for the foreseeable future.

Is there anyone running an Onkyo 805 and Studio 100's?

Is this just a poor match for power reasons? I also have the option to get Studio 60's if the overall opinion is that the 805 can't properly drive the 100's.

Thoughts?

I know that a lot of guys here swear by adding a seperate amp to their receivers, but I really don't think it is necessary when driving a speaker as efficient as the Paradigms to even fairly loud volumes. A good solid 100 watts will get you what you need 90% of the time. Now if you were planning to drive the 100's with an entery level AVR with a wimpy power supply, that is another matter, but you are not, so you will be fine. Worst case scenerio is that you find you do want more power later and you ad the outboard amp then.

Edit: Just researched the Onkyo and see that it weighs almost 51 pounds, which means it has a rather large power supply. You will definitely NOT have a problem driving the 100's with that AVR.

I know that a lot of guys here swear by adding a seperate amp to their receivers, but I really don't think it is necessary when driving a speaker as efficient as the Paradigms to even fairly loud volumes. A good solid 100 watts will get you what you need 90% of the time. Now if you were planning to drive the 100's with an entery level AVR with a wimpy power supply, that is another matter, but you are not, so you will be fine. Worst case scenerio is that you find you do want more power later and you ad the outboard amp then.

Edit: Just researched the Onkyo and see that it weighs almost 51 pounds, which means it has a rather large power supply. You will definitely NOT have a problem driving the 100's with that AVR.I completely agree with Hilf, I run my 100's with a Rotel 1067 sitting about 9 feet away and unless I want my ears too bleed, another amp is the last thing I would need....

I completely agree with Hilf, I run my 100's with a Rotel 1067 sitting about 9 feet away and unless I want my ears too bleed, another amp is the last thing I would need....

Thats an apples to oranges comparison. Very few receivers if any are on par with a Rotel 1067. That receiver has a torodial power supply. That puts it more in line with a separate amp's capabilities. Plus it is a "good solid 100 watts". That is it's "all channels driven" rated power output.

Is there anyone running an Onkyo 805 and Studio 100's?

Is this just a poor match for power reasons? I also have the option to get Studio 60's if the overall opinion is that the 805 can't properly drive the 100's.

Thoughts?

I'm sure it will be fine. From the 805 review at Secrets:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_3/onkyo-tx-sr805-receiver-9-2006-part-1.html

"Empirically speaking, no matter how you chose to interpret it, there is plenty of power. For virtually the entire in-use review period, I used M&K MPS2510 front satellite speakers (high passed at 80 Hz as per THX) which have a decidedly difficult 3.5 ohm nominal load. The 805 was set to the appropriate 4 ohm setting, and in my actual use at least did not exhibit any audible distress, even though I thought it might on certain material and playback level combinations I was messing with.

Let's keep in mind that for years most people put a great deal of credence in THX for amplifier certification, if nothing else, and their incredibly complex, but correspondingly useful, battery of channel/load/level permutation tests were of course met satisfactorily by the 805 in its finished form. I've often joked with John Dahl at THX that if I ever damage a THX speaker hooked up to a THX product, set up per THX's recommendations in an appropriately sized room, that he'd have to make good for it. Well, this review is pretty much over, and I've yet to make a claim.

Ultimately, Onkyo brings Ultra2 performance down to the unprecedented price point by delivering the performance needed without going overboard. It can drive a THX Ultra speaker in a THX sized room with real-world program material, but it can't drive a 2 ohm test load indefinitely (as a certain $5,000 power amplifier I know can). OK, so don't use the 805 with electrostatic speakers."

For a room thats about 10x15, will a pair of Studio 20s be sufficient as fronts? I've got a little over $1,000 to spend on the 2 fronts and a new avr, and I'm trying to figure out how to make that balance work (Right now I'm looking at the Onkyo 605).

My room is 16 x 20 -- I have a 7.1 setup, with Studio 20s up front.

If I have 4 ADP470's already mounted per Paradigm specs. Instead of switching the rear surrounds to help with phase issues, is it OK to switch the polarity at the receiver input ( + for -, - for +)? This would achieve the exact same effect correct? This is what I did as a time saver, just wanted to make sure I was not missing anything.

If I have 4 ADP470's already mounted per Paradigm specs. Instead of switching the rear surrounds to help with phase issues, is it OK to switch the polarity at the receiver input ( + for -, - for +)? This would achieve the exact same effect correct? This is what I did as a time saver, just wanted to make sure I was not missing anything.

i do not believe all the drivers are wired out of phase in that inclosure.
so that would not work.

i do not believe all the drivers are wired out of phase in that inclosure.
so that would not work.

Thanks........You are correct, and I can see now why I am wrong. The ADP-470s are bipole below 150Hz and dipole above. The way I have it, I am also reversing the polarity of the under 150Hz, and causing phase issues in that area. The only way seems to be actually reversing the speakers....I was trying to avoid that chore.

Thanks........You are correct, and I can see now why I am wrong. The ADP-470s are bipole below 150Hz and dipole above. The way I have it, I am also reversing the polarity of the under 150Hz, and causing phase issues in that area. The only way seems to be actually reversing the speakers....I was trying to avoid that chore.

a few have noticed no difference when they did this when they first came out
i guess you can give it a try doubt it will alter the sound to the point you will
notice.

a few have noticed no difference when they did this when they first came out
i guess you can give it a try doubt it will alter the sound to the point you will
notice.

I may not notice a difference, but if I do not do it, it will be in my head. If I am always wondering if I am missing something, then it has to be done. It has to do with me being anal. One thing, after using the SPL after changing the polarity, I had to turn the db on the rear surrounds by 1.5-2.0 dbs. Could have that been from some phase cancellation on the lower end?

Thats an apples to oranges comparison. Very few receivers if any are on par with a Rotel 1067. That receiver has a torodial power supply. That puts it more in line with a separate amp's capabilities. Plus it is a "good solid 100 watts". That is it's "all channels driven" rated power output.

A toroidal transformer has nothing to do with the power cabability of an amp. A toroid only emits a lower electromagnetic field than and IE transformer and is less prone to hum, which theoretically could result in a cleaner sound but not necessarily great power capability.

correct me if i am wrong but a torid will handle lower ohm speakers better as the
wattage is usually higher on the toroidal than ie the lower the ohm output this
is what i see on the spec sheet from different brands such as arcam integra rotel
vs sony pioneer and some yamaha.

correct me if i am wrong but a torid will handle lower ohm speakers better as the
wattage is usually higher on the toroidal than ie the lower the ohm output this
is what i see on the spec sheet from different brands such as arcam integra rotel
vs sony pioneer and some yamaha.

That is not my understanding, but I could be wrong. Toroids are considered higher quality than IE for audio applications (because they don't hum and the lower EM feild), and I think that they may be more efficient (so they can be slightly smaller for a given output), but if you build an IE transformer big enough, it too should be able to output enough current to drive a low impedance load. IE transformers are still used in many "audiophile" grade components, but you will more often see a toroid in products marketed as hi-end because of the audiophile association of quality with toroids.

I could really use some advice from you folks...

I'm in the final throws of a deal for a pair of Studio 100's v3 and I'm not sure if it's the way to go. I currently run Mythos 7 as towers. the 3 as the centre and was in the market for some new rears. I sold tons of gear to make room space wise as well as budget wise and was looking at the Gem XL's.

Then I stumbled upon a 1 year old pair of Studio 100's for a great price, local to boot, and am now considering them for the front and moving the Mythos 7's to the rear until I sell them.

I have a home theatre with an Epson TW-700, 92" optoma Grey Wolf screen, HD-XA1, Oppo HD 970, HD cable feed and I power the system with a Yammie RX-V2400. (Harmony 880)

My question is, will the Yamaha power the 100's, are they over-kill for a home theatre and is the sound worth the cost?

Many thanks!

I could really use some advice from you folks...

I'm in the final throws of a deal for a pair of Studio 100's v3 and I'm not sure if it's the way to go. I currently run Mythos 7 as towers. the 3 as the centre and was in the market for some new rears. I sold tons of gear to make room space wise as well as budget wise and was looking at the Gem XL's.

Then I stumbled upon a 1 year old pair of Studio 100's for a great price, local to boot, and am now considering them for the front and moving the Mythos 7's to the rear until I sell them.

I have a home theatre with an Epson TW-700, 92" optoma Grey Wolf screen, HD-XA1, Oppo HD 970, HD cable feed and I power the system with a Yammie RX-V2400. (Harmony 880)

My question is, will the Yamaha power the 100's, are they over-kill for a home theatre and is the sound worth the cost?

Many thanks!

I think you will be just fine driving the 100's with your AVR. Unless you have a very large room or like to listen at rock concert levels, an honest 100 watts is all you need to drive the 100's to fairly loud levels. Are they overkill? That depends on your priorities and the size of your room once again. The 100's will go loud with less strain than a smaller speaker and if you have a med-large room (3000 cubic feet or more), then you may want all those extra drivers. Is the sound worth the cost? Yes, I believe Paradigm speakers are good vlaue even at full retail price, but then everyone has a different threshhold for how much they are willing to spend on equipment and it depends on how important this hobby is to you. I want the best possible sound I can afford, but you may be happy with less. Only you can really answer the last question.

How much should I sell my signature speakers for? I was thinking 1/2 of MSRP but $7150 seems kinda low for a setup like this.

I plan to post them for sale on audiogon as soon as I can come up with a good number.

Thanks guys!

Is an Onkyo 705 a good matched receiver for my 6.1 speaker setup?

Paradigm CC-370
Paradigm Monitor 7s
Paradigm ADP-370s
Paradigm in ceiling timbre matched to this set (can't remember exact model
SVS PB10 subwoofer

I should also mention that my HT room is in a completely open finished basement that is about 900sq ft, but the actual HT area in that larger area is about 250 sq ft (i.e. the area within the 6.1 speaker setup).

I've heard that you don't want to match a receiver that is too bright with this speaker system.

Hifisponge,

Thanks for the input. I inspected the 100's this evening and they are less than 1 year old and in perfect condition. They really blew me away and I think the fellow is willing to negotiate. He also has a new pair of Martin Logan $6k speakers. A real audio nut (in a good way).
Now to have the all important discussion with the finance committee chair!

Wish me luck!

How much should I sell my signature speakers for? I was thinking 1/2 of MSRP but $7150 seems kinda low for a setup like this.

I plan to post them for sale on audiogon as soon as I can come up with a good number.

Thanks guys!

Start at 40% off so that you have some room to negotiate. Everybody wants to barter and feel like they got a better deal than your initial asking price.

So what are you going to get to replace your Sigs? Why are you selling them?

How much should I sell my signature speakers for? I was thinking 1/2 of MSRP but $7150 seems kinda low for a setup like this.

I plan to post them for sale on audiogon as soon as I can come up with a good number.

Thanks guys!

What are you thinking! I am setting this as my wallpaper as we speak:D

http://www.dansouliere.com/pictures/tvstand3.jpg

correct me if i am wrong but a torid will handle lower ohm speakers better as the
wattage is usually higher on the toroidal than ie the lower the ohm output this
is what i see on the spec sheet from different brands such as arcam integra rotel
vs sony pioneer and some yamaha.

That could be one reason why the better brands use them,as well as most separate amps. The receiver I use as a pre/pro and to drive my center and surrounds, a Rotel RSX-972, doesn't have a toroidal power supply and it works great. As I have said before on other threads, I would take its 75wpc over other brand's 125, 140 or whatever.

What Hifisponge said could be a reason as well, but I guarantee its not the most important or only reason for using them.

Sorry this is a thread jack. :o

Hifisponge,

Thanks for the input. I inspected the 100's this evening and they are less than 1 year old and in perfect condition. They really blew me away and I think the fellow is willing to negotiate. He also has a new pair of Martin Logan $6k speakers. A real audio nut (in a good way).
Now to have the all important discussion with the finance committee chair!

Wish me luck!
Recently purchased the 100's v4. Really have enjoyed them. definately a step up from what your using.

the 100's are the best sounding speakers they make for the money spent.

Is an Onkyo 705 a good matched receiver for my 6.1 speaker setup?

Paradigm CC-370
Paradigm Monitor 7s
Paradigm ADP-370s
Paradigm in ceiling timbre matched to this set (can't remember exact model
SVS PB10 subwoofer

I should also mention that my HT room is in a completely open finished basement that is about 900sq ft, but the actual HT area in that larger area is about 250 sq ft (i.e. the area within the 6.1 speaker setup).

I've heard that you don't want to match a receiver that is too bright with this speaker system.

Can anyone provide some insight on this?

the 100's are the best sounding speakers they make for the money spent.

Totally accurate statement. ;)

Folks...I've made the deal but before I pick up the speakers, is $1,100 a decent price for a pair of nearly new 100's v.3 Paradigms?
I don't want to have buyers remorse, especially if I can still change my mind.

Thanks.

Folks...I've made the deal but before I pick up the speakers, is $1,100 a decent price for a pair of nearly new 100's v.3 Paradigms?
I don't want to have buyers remorse, especially if I can still change my mind.

Thanks.

load em up get them home and be amazed.

Can anyone provide some insight on this?

Stereophile's Ultimate AV on-line mag just did a review of the big brother to the 705, the 875 and the reviewer had this to say about the tonal quality:

"The Onkyo's sound did tend a bit to brightness, though perhaps it would be more correct to say that it did not suffer sources with exaggerated highs gracefully, particularly at high playback levels. The issue was more evident on soundtracks that were bright to begin with. The Re-EQ function helped here, though for me it tended to roll off the upper highs a bit more than I like. . . . . In any event, the highs from Denon's just-discontinued AVR-4306 receiver were a bit smoother and sweeter than the Onkyo's, though the Denon's midbass proved a bit too rich for my current system. Richness through the midbass and lower midrange can affect how the highs are perceived."

As they are in the same family/generation of Onkyo AVRs, there is a good chance that the 705 will have a similar sonic signature.

Folks...I've made the deal but before I pick up the speakers, is $1,100 a decent price for a pair of nearly new 100's v.3 Paradigms?
I don't want to have buyers remorse, especially if I can still change my mind.

Thanks.

I paid $1800 for new from a dealer about 8 months ago, sounds like a steal to me. Jump aboard the Paradigm train!

whats the difference b/w a 100v.3 and 100.v4? When ordering from a dealer would you specifically ask for the version you want? Or are all new studios at dealers now the v.4's?

whats the difference b/w a 100v.3 and 100.v4? When ordering from a dealer would you specifically ask for the version you want? Or are all new studios at dealers now the v.4's?

Yes, the latest version at the stores is the version 4. They have different driver tech than the V.3's. In other words, V.3 is last year's version.

I am now the proud owner of Studio 100 v.4's!! I listened to a lot of speakers and they seemed a good balance of price and performance without a lot of compromises. They're not the last word in bass strength and definition in the lower regions, but with the right sub (or subs) you can shift some of the burdon (I set my crossover to 60 Hz, which according to the specs. is about one octave above the 100's low frequency threshold) and they really opened up. They also were pretty natural sounding for orchestral and acoustic music. For example, I've heard a live grand piano before and was listening to a high res. jazz performance last night. It damn near sounded like a real piano was sitting in my living room with no sonic embellishment. I won't sneeze at that!!

The Signature S8's were tremendous, but completely out of my range. I'd like to pair up the 100 fronts with another set for the sides (rear's for multi-channel music), the 690 center, and some 40's for the back. I'll have to go slowly and hope the v.4 models don't change out to v.5 too soon!!!!

i am guessing that the studio 100 has become paradigms most popular speaker
of all time.

Trying this again, photo of my new 690 on top of 1st gen Samsung 46" dlp...Hasn't caved in yet:D

Here's a peak at my new Studio 100's along side of my Mythos Towers... just a slight difference in size and sound... you can barely notice! (not) I've listened to them for a short while and the 100's are full bodied to say the least. Once my Supercube III is back from the shop, I'll be in heaven.
More importantly, what centre and rears would you recommend to balance off my system. The theatre is under construction, hence the wires.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

what size is that screen of yours?

From my research, I think people will recommend AT LEAST a cc-570/cc-590 or even cc-690 for the center. Surrounds seem to cause debate. I'm going to go with studio 20s, i think.


Here's a peak at my new Studio 100's along side of my Mythos Towers... just a slight difference in size and sound... you can barely notice! (not) I've listened to them for a short while and the 100's are full bodied to say the least. Once my Supercube III is back from the shop, I'll be in heaven.
More importantly, what centre and rears would you recommend to balance off my system. The theatre is under construction, hence the wires.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

It's a 92" Optoma Grey Wolf II with an Epson TW700 HD projector. I'm planning to move up to 106" fixed frame once the wife stops throwing up at the 92! (Blood Diamond did her in).
How much should I expect to pay for a good used 570 or 590?

Here's a peak at my new Studio 100's along side of my Mythos Towers... just a slight difference in size and sound... you can barely notice! (not) I've listened to them for a short while and the 100's are full bodied to say the least. Once my Supercube III is back from the shop, I'll be in heaven.
More importantly, what centre and rears would you recommend to balance off my system. The theatre is under construction, hence the wires.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

Are you going to play any SA-CD or DVD-Audio high resolution, multi-channel discs? Blu-ray concert and video discs with 24 bit audio?

If so, DO NOT go with the dipole surrounds (too diffuse, especially for music) and instead at least wall mount some 40's or at the very least 20's on the side and the back. You want to set the sides slightly behind your seating position, not directly firing at your ears and up on the wall 2 to 3 feet above ear level. The back pair should be at the same height and spread like a normal stereo pair. Remember, 7.1 audio is starting to show up. You can toe them down a bit with adjustable wall brackets towards your listening position, but you want to experiment with what gets you the best sound.

If you have no intension of using an acoustically transparent screen material then go with the Studio cc-690. Much better and a closer sonic fit for the 100's. If you want to place a speaker behind an acoustic screen then get another single 100 tower. That would be the absolute best option.

Since music is very important to me I'm going with another pair of 100 v.4's for the sides and Studio 40's for the rear. CC-690 for the center, perhaps. I don't know about what kind of screen I'm going with yet.

I tried to search and find an answer to my question , but no luck.

I am in a "great room" with a cathederal ceiling and no side walls. I have the 40's as front and the 20's as rear speakers, behind the couch ( about 110 degrees ) - about 2-3 feet from the rear wall

i am thinking about changing the 20's for the ADP's , but would only be able to place them on the Premier Stands that hold the 20's. I was going to use one 20 as the center back. I really dont have room for both ( though i am going to try )

is it advisable to do so , or leave the 20's on the stands and use the ADP's on the rear wall.

How well do dipoles work on stands??

thanks

I have a question on the Paradigm Monitor 5 V.2 speakers. It has two 6.5" speakers. Am I correct in assuming that one 6.5" speakers is sent the mid bass to midrange frequencies and the other 6.5" speaker handles the bass frequencies? And if you know what is the crossover specs? For some reason I cant find the crossover specs on this older model by doing a search. Thanks.

Gary,

Which ADPs are you planning on getting? Many have slightly rounded bottoms, IIRC, which would inhibit their placement on a stand.

Also, note that it's more typical to put dipoles on the sides and directs (20s) in the rear (or the same of either for all four), as opposed to dipoles in the rear and directs on the sides.

Thanks, have not really looked for any ADP's yet. ( I have not decided to go lower end and see how they sound or get the studio ADP's to match the rest of the speakers. Before i do some checking, i was unsure if placing them on stands would degrade the quality somehow

Which receiver is a better tonal match for a set of Paradigm speakers (Monitor 7s, CC-370, ADP-370s)?

I have a question on the Paradigm Monitor 5 V.2 speakers. It has two 6.5" speakers. Am I correct in assuming that one 6.5" speakers is sent the mid bass to midrange frequencies and the other 6.5" speaker handles the bass frequencies? And if you know what is the crossover specs? For some reason I cant find the crossover specs on this older model by doing a search. Thanks.No you are not correct assuming that it's a 2.5 way design. It's a true 2 way design. Both 6.5" drivers cover from the tweeter crossover at 2.0 kHz on down. The Monitor 7.v2 is the same. Only the the monitor 9.v2 and 11.v2 were 2.5 way designs.

Ed

I have the Cinema 110 package with the dipole surround speakers. Because of my room layout I have to mount the ADP's behind me. I'm just wondering if I should be running these speakers "in phase" instead of out of phase when they're placed behind the listener. Thanks in advance.

Which receiver is a better tonal match for a set of Paradigm speakers (Monitor 7s, CC-370, ADP-370s)?Do a blind test and I bet you won't be able to tell them apart.

Do a blind test and I bet you won't be able to tell them apart.

Good idea.
Second question: Would I hear significant differences between an older yamaha receiver and an Onkyo 605 or 705?

Assuming DD or DTS playback only, as of course the Onkyo has more advanced decoders for other audio formats and functionality.

Orginally posted by ekb
No you are not correct assuming that it's a 2.5 way design. It's a true 2 way design. Both 6.5" drivers cover from the tweeter crossover at 2.0 kHz on down. The Monitor 7.v2 is the same. Only the the monitor 9.v2 and 11.v2 were 2.5 way designs.
Thanks for the info!

I am considering 1 of 2 set ups for speakers:

Titans (book shelf)
Center (CC290)
Sub - PDR-8
In Walls - AMS-250

or everything listed above and instead of the Titans go with the Monitor 7's. If I choose to not go the route of the IN WALLS then I may consider using the Titans as the rear surround.

Im still in the planning stages!!!

When I went to listen to these at the store, I liked the range of sound compared to Klipsch which just sounded loud.

I have the Cinema 110 package with the dipole surround speakers. Because of my room layout I have to mount the ADP's behind me. I'm just wondering if I should be running these speakers "in phase" instead of out of phase when they're placed behind the listener. Thanks in advance.


In my opinion, dipoles can make good back surrounds. Just make sure that they are not spaced out to wide. If you have a couch, they should be directly behind the left and right seating postion. It may seem that they are
pretty close together but that's how they work the best.

I'm just wondering if I should be running these speakers "in phase" instead of out of phase How would you do that?

Ed

I'm in the process of building my modest home theatre sound system. Due to limited funding, I will be putting this system together over the next several months. I just purchased a pair of Studio 40s for the fronts, and next on the list is a subwoofer.

My room size is an awkward 20' x 11' with tile floors, which is far from ideal, but its what I got in my small house. Can anyone recommend a Paradigm (or other brand for that matter) subwoofer for my situation?

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Check the subwoofer forum, but you can basically name your budget and then check out subs from Elemental Designs, HSU, SVS, or Outlaw Audio and you will be getting a lot of bang for your buck. I have an Outlaw LFM Plus and I love it.

How would you do that?

Ed

I just switched the speaker cable on the one speaker that is out of phase. Now when I run the speaker setup I get no warnings. I'm going to try it like this and see if I can notice any difference in sound.

I just switched the speaker cable on the one speaker that is out of phase. Now when I run the speaker setup I get no warnings. I'm going to try it like this and see if I can notice any difference in sound.
Do you mean that you removed the driver and swapped the internal connection? I don't know the driver config on the speaker but is there 1 or 2 woofers. Did you swap on a woofer? I hope you don't mean that you swapped the polarity on the cabinet terminals because that makes no sense at all.

Ed

I will soon be the owner of a pair of Studio 40s on J23 stands. Is it worth it to Bi-Amp with the receiver I have? The receiver is a Pioneer VSX-816 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/kuro/product/details/0,,2076_310069809_299915436,00.html) which does have Bi-Amp capability. Is it worth doing this? Big difference? Slight difference? Placebo difference?

Thanks!