I respectfully disagree with this statement. All that a more powerfull amp will get you is the ability to play louder and reduce the chances of clipping distortion at high volumes. The Paradigms are not all that difficult to drive, as they have relatively high sensitivity and while their impedance does drop to 3 Ohms in the bass, you don't necessarily need a P series Anthem amp to drive them. I ran a full Paradigm Signature 5.1 set-up with S8's up front off of a Denon 5800 AVR. Just for kicks, I decided to see what I could get out of the S8's running in full-range stereo when powered by the Denon. I measured 110 dB peaks at one meter with no audible distortion! This is stupid loud, running the S8's off of and AVR's amp section.

IMO, the P series Anthem amps are way overkill for most applications. Unless you have a massive room to fill with sound, or you like to constantly listen at rock concert levels, the A series amps will meet and often exceed most peoples needs.

Don't disagree with your last paragraph, but the higher quality an amp across the resistance spectrum, the better quality the sound at all volume levels.

It's not just about high volume, it's about consistent and quality sound across the board.

As I've said elsewhere, it's like fine wine. A $20 bottle of Cab is great for just about everyone. Is a $250 bottle worth it? It all depends on your personal tastes, what you get out of it, and where your financial barriers are.

I'm sure an A5 would have been great for me. But I can afford the P5, and it will be at least marginally better, and it will last a long time, so why not get it? Not for the volume, but for the overall quality.

If I came up to someone and said "you can have an A5 or P5 for the same price", there's no one that would pick the A5 (and pick a price you think it's worth). So it's purely a price issue, and that's up to each individual.

I respectfully disagree with this statement. All that a more powerfull amp will get you is the ability to play louder and reduce the chances of clipping distortion at high volumes. The Paradigms are not all that difficult to drive, as they have relatively high sensitivity and while their impedance does drop to 3 Ohms in the bass, you don't necessarily need a P series Anthem amp to drive them. I ran a full Paradigm Signature 5.1 set-up with S8's up front off of a Denon 5800 AVR. Just for kicks, I decided to see what I could get out of the S8's running in full-range stereo when powered by the Denon. I measured 110 dB peaks at one meter with no audible distortion! This is stupid loud, running the S8's off of and AVR's amp section.

IMO, the P series Anthem amps are way overkill for most applications. Unless you have a massive room to fill with sound, or you like to constantly listen at rock concert levels, the A series amps will meet and often exceed most peoples needs.

Not necessarily true. The Studio 100s are an even more difficult load than the S8s, and the Denon 5800 has a stouter amp section than the 380X series receivers. Just because you could hit 110 dB peaks at 1 meter (not surprising) doesn't mean the amp is fully driving the speaker in the low frequencies.

Also, the poster above was referring to the Anthem PVA amps, their lowest line, not the Statements. Although I think there's actually two concurrent conversations going on here.

I respectfully disagree with this statement. All that a more powerfull amp will get you is the ability to play louder and reduce the chances of clipping distortion at high volumes. The Paradigms are not all that difficult to drive, as they have relatively high sensitivity and while their impedance does drop to 3 Ohms in the bass, you don't necessarily need a P series Anthem amp to drive them. I ran a full Paradigm Signature 5.1 set-up with S8's up front off of a Denon 5800 AVR. Just for kicks, I decided to see what I could get out of the S8's running in full-range stereo when powered by the Denon. I measured 110 dB peaks at one meter with no audible distortion! This is stupid loud, running the S8's off of and AVR's amp section.


I agree with you hifi.... A receiver will drive them just fine, but when you playing at elevated levels on a regular basis, you better have a damn fine amp section in said receiver... With my Sig S4's my POS Pioneer started to fold with its cr@ppy amp section, still hit the 100+ db marks, but began to get hot, then distort and clip... anything over 100db is louder then loud, but sometimes I like to rumble the house, which is why I like a separate amp for stability, as you know...

Does one need 250 watts per channel, probably not, but receivers just don't cut the mustard for me to sustain higher listening levels, their 1 channel 1 meter measurements (bologne) won't hold a candle to dedicated amp. (I only post this for new people reading, as you are well aware of that.)

David Gilmore "Live at Royal Albert Hall" DVD is a very well recorded DVD and cranking that up is pure bliss, smooth and inviting, His voice to me is completely timeless, but will crumble my setup without a good quality amp. I just need more...

Also, the poster above was referring to the Anthem PVA amps, their lowest line, not the Statements. Although I think there's actually two concurrent conversations going on here.

hifi was referring to the Anthem A5 Amp, I believe which is still a stout 180wpc... and a dam fine amp...
Lets just say, a dedicated Amp is a good thing, at whatever power level, better then a receiver will ever be, unless your talking an ICEpowered amp

Went to my local dealer this weekend to listen to some Monitor 9s and 11s. They didn't have the 9s. The 11s sounded great. A huge improvement over my Onkyo HTIB I currently have set up. I wasn't planning on buying until this fall, but man do I have the itch to go ahead and buy these now. My wife will kill me though.

- I have a 905, so it has Audyssey built in (plus it's not that hard to manually do it, just time consuming)

Excellent! You should be in great shape then.

- The S2's are front ported, so being placed close to a wall really won't have a huge effect, especially with a higher crossover (it will have an effect, I just question your statement on the magnititude of the effect, especially for such a tiny speaker)

This is a common misunderstanding. The port on most speakers operates at such a low frequency (below 80Hz) that it does not matter if the port is on the front or the back because the frequencies coming out of it are omni-directional. Sure, you don't want to block the port on a rear ported speaker by sticking it right next to a wall, but what matters when considering near wall placement is the low frequency extension of the speaker and the balance of the bass response, not the location of the port.

The S2 may relatively small (as compared to the large S8), but it is quite capable of bass down to 40Hz. Try this if you can. When you get the S2's, place them on stands, or what ever you have available to get them to ear hieght, run them full range as you main L/R speakers and stick them 3" from the front wall. Then move them out into the room about two feet. I'm sure that will open your eyes as to the bass capability of the S2. FWIW - my friend has the S2's well out into his rather large room and they certainly do not sound shy on bass. Not the most extended, but enough for most music at moderate volumes.

- They're rear surrounds - it's not like massive bass comes out of the rear channel, so even if I had them packed into a corner of my room, it probably won't make any difference

It is a full range channel back there, so full bass extension is possible, but in reality you are probably right.


I was going with the S1's, but the S2's are a better speaker overall, and will be much better performers for the rear (as much as that matters for the very limited sound coming out back there).

This is a non-issue because your EQ will take care of the elevated bass response of the S2, but typically the "better speaker" is not only the one with the best drivers and nicest cabinet, but the one best suited for the environment that it will be used in. This is why I wish Paradigm made and on-wall monopole speaker that was voiced for on-wall placement. But alas they do not and the S2's along with EQ is the best choice given the circumstances.

This is why I wish Paradigm made and on-wall monopole speaker that was voiced for on-wall placement. But alas they do not and the S2's along with EQ is the best choice given the circumstances.


You can say that again... I think the only thing close to that is the S1, as I believe its sealed, but not sure if its wall mountable... or voiced for that type of placement.

I think that is one of the only problems with Paradigm, they automatically just defer people to using Dipoles all the way around... for surround, which can't be perfect for every environment... or application...

Not necessarily true. The Studio 100s are an even more difficult load than the S8s, and the Denon 5800 has a stouter amp section than the 380X series receivers. Just because you could hit 110 dB peaks at 1 meter (not surprising) doesn't mean the amp is fully driving the speaker in the low frequencies.


Why wouldn't it be? If the speakers are sucking more current than the amp can handle, you'll push the amp into clipping and you'll know it.

Hey All,

I'm looking for some in-ceiling surrounds to go with a 5-yr old set of CC-370 v3 center channel and Monitor 7 v2 fronts.

I know, I know.. ceiling speaker are poo. :o

Paradigm tech support claims that the AMS series would be the best match for my fronts... but the more I look at the tweeters on my monitors and the tweeters on the CS series of in-walls... the look like the same exact tweeters. So I can't help but wonder if the CS series would be a better timbre match. Any thoughts?

Also, for 5.1 surrounds, placed a few feet behind and to the side of the listeners, should I go with something like a typical downfiring CS-60R or a 30-degree firing CS-60R-30, aimed across the back of the listeners?


I went with the AMS in ceiling paradigms for my side surrounds (150R) and rear surrounds (150R 30's). I like them a lot and notice no significant timbre matching problems with my Monitor 9's v.5 and cc 390 v.5. With your front 7's and cc 370 I think you could go with the CS series very easily and save some money to boot. I would recommend the in ceiling round without the 30 degree angle just slightly behind and to the sides of your seating area. I went with the 150R 30's because they were placed fairly close to my back wall (trying to avoid any weird reflections with downward firing in ceilings).

Went to my local dealer this weekend to listen to some Monitor 9s and 11s. They didn't have the 9s. The 11s sounded great. A huge improvement over my Onkyo HTIB I currently have set up. I wasn't planning on buying until this fall, but man do I have the itch to go ahead and buy these now. My wife will kill me though.

I've been "killed" many times, but the question is how many lives do I have left.;)

You can say that again... I think the only thing close to that is the S1, as I believe its sealed, but not sure if its wall mountable... or voiced for that type of placement.

I think that is one of the only problems with Paradigm, they automatically just defer people to using Dipoles all the way around... for surround, which can't be perfect for every environment... or application...

I'm actually quite surprised that they don't. Paradigm has been so forward thinking when it comes to speaker design (one the first to incude a center speaker with a dedicated midrange driver) that it seems they would have offered such a speaker by now.

Don't disagree with your last paragraph, but the higher quality an amp across the resistance spectrum, the better quality the sound at all volume levels.

It's not just about high volume, it's about consistent and quality sound across the board.

As I've said elsewhere, it's like fine wine. A $20 bottle of Cab is great for just about everyone. Is a $250 bottle worth it? It all depends on your personal tastes, what you get out of it, and where your financial barriers are.

I'm sure an A5 would have been great for me. But I can afford the P5, and it will be at least marginally better, and it will last a long time, so why not get it? Not for the volume, but for the overall quality.

If I came up to someone and said "you can have an A5 or P5 for the same price", there's no one that would pick the A5 (and pick a price you think it's worth). So it's purely a price issue, and that's up to each individual.

With over $60K invested in my AV system, I would be a hypocrite if I said that I only bought the equipment I own for practical reasons, so I completely get your point. I was just trying to make the distinction between what is required for good sound and the lengths that some of us hi-fi nuts go to to have "the best". I still stand by my statement that the only difference between the A5 and P5 is the max output capability, not sound quality. So for those that are concerned with getting the best practical value, something like a P5 amp really isn't *needed* and most would never use the full power the amp is capable of.

Oh and since we are using analogies, here's one that applies. My wife and I just picked up a new BMW this weekend. It has a 6 speed transmission. I got the car up to 120 MPH in 5th gear with room to spare. So do I really need 6th gear? Not unless there is some US Autobahn that I don't know about. :D

I was just trying to make the distinction between what is required for good sound and the lengths that some of us hi-fi nuts go to to have "the best".


Well then I think you can put me into the completely Moronic arena when my D-Sonic amp, with 3x500W(fronts) and 2X250 (rears) shows up... :eek::rolleyes:

Heheheh Talk about rediculus... ;)

Well then I think you can put me into the completely Moronic arena when my D-Sonic amp, with 3x500W(fronts) and 2X250 (rears) shows up... :eek::rolleyes:

Heheheh Talk about rediculus... ;)

Yeah, those amps are going to be idling most of the time, but better safe than sorry. :D

Yeah, those amps are going to be idling most of the time, but better safe than sorry. :D



Hows that go.... better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.. :)

With over $60K invested in my AV system, I would be a hypocrite if I said that I only bought the equipment I own for practical reasons, so I completely get your point. I was just trying to make the distinction between what is required for good sound and the lengths that some of us hi-fi nuts go to to have "the best". I still stand by my statement that the only difference between the A5 and P5 is the max output capability, not sound quality. So for those that are concerned with getting the best practical value, something like a P5 amp really isn't *needed* and most would never use the full power the amp is capable of.

Oh and since we are using analogies, here's one that applies. My wife and I just picked up a new BMW this weekend. It has a 6 speed transmission. I got the car up to 120 MPH in 5th gear with room to spare. So do I really need 6th gear? Not unless there is some US Autobahn that I don't know about. :D

My Viper exceeds 120 in 3rd gear. Should I remove some gears to save weight?

I have a 5.1 set-up:

Monitor 9's
CC390
Atom Monitors as rears
HSU VTF3 MK2 sub (if that matters for advice)

Thinking of going 7.1 by buying either 2 ADP390's or 190's. Should I use the Atoms as rears (I like them there now) or would it be more beneficial to use the ADP's as rears and Atoms as sides?

Thanks for the input.

My Viper exceeds 120 in 3rd gear. Should I remove some gears to save weight?

Of course. I just removed 6th gear from my Bimmer last night for that very reason. :rolleyes:

Hows that go.... better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.. :)

Exactly! ;)

I have a 5.1 set-up:

Monitor 9's
CC390
Atom Monitors as rears
HSU VTF3 MK2 sub (if that matters for advice)

Thinking of going 7.1 by buying either 2 ADP390's or 190's. Should I use the Atoms as rears (I like them there now) or would it be more beneficial to use the ADP's as rears and Atoms as sides?

Thanks for the input.

Personally, i would use ADP's as sides and Atoms as rears.

Personally, i would use ADP's as sides and Atoms as rears.

That's exactly my set up. ADP 590s for the side surrounds, with Atoms as rears. Sounds great.

That's exactly my set up. ADP 590s for the side surrounds, with Atoms as rears. Sounds great.

ceasar1, Looks like are you running 20's CC590 and ADP-590's.. and then the Atom in back... I have never looked at the Atom, Its sealed yes....? Wall mountable..?

I might have to give those a thought for my rears in my Studio setup...
Just enough fill for back there I would imagine, and nice and small.

Do you notice a voicing change from the combined lines much, or any at all..?


Gotta say it again... I love that Theater Room... very classy... nicely done my friend...

ceasar1, Looks like are you running 20's CC590 and ADP-590's.. and then the Atom in back... I have never looked at the Atom, Its sealed yes....? Wall mountable..?

I might have to give those a thought for my rears in my Studio setup...
Just enough fill for back there I would imagine, and nice and small.

Do you notice a voicing change from the combined lines much, or any at all..?


Gotta say it again... I love that Theater Room... very classy... nicely done my friend...

Good guessing, but the center is a cc470. All speakers are version 3 (v.3), except for the ADP 590s, which are v.4.

The Atoms are wall - mountable -- as you can see in the photos. Note that they have a small port in the back.

The classic wall mount for the Atoms was the premier mount (mb-60). But I don't see those anymore -- they used to be linked from Paradigm's website.

I do not notice any voice changes due to the Atoms in the rear.

Thanks for the compliments on my theater.

I am still new to the home theater scene and a bit confused. I am trying to set-up with a budget and would like to get the Studio 100s and the CC-690 center. From what I have read is that people have been sending the lower frequencys to the sub and not the 100s. What I was wondering is, would it be more budget effective to go with the 20s or 40s with the CC-590 and a good sub, or get the 100s and CC-690 and save for a good sub later? Why have the 100s if they are crossed over to the sub?

I am still new to the home theater scene and a bit confused. I am trying to set-up with a budget and would like to get the Studio 100s and the CC-690 center. From what I have read is that people have been sending the lower frequencys to the sub and not the 100s. What I was wondering is, would it be more budget effective to go with the 20s or 40s with the CC-590 and a good sub, or get the 100s and CC-690 and save for a good sub later? Why have the 100s if they are crossed over to the sub?

Take a movie or music with you if you notice the midbass improvement
get the 100's if not get the 20,40 or 60. Remember even if they are crossed
over at 80hz those bass speakers come into play 500hz down there is a lot
happening in the 500hz to 100hz .

I am still new to the home theater scene and a bit confused. I am trying to set-up with a budget and would like to get the Studio 100s and the CC-690 center. From what I have read is that people have been sending the lower frequencys to the sub and not the 100s. What I was wondering is, would it be more budget effective to go with the 20s or 40s with the CC-590 and a good sub, or get the 100s and CC-690 and save for a good sub later? Why have the 100s if they are crossed over to the sub?

To add to what oz had stated....

The 100's, 60's, and even the 40's would work pretty well with music, as there is not a ton of Low Freq material in most music, not necessarily all music... but more and more movies contain a really large amount of LF effects, some all the way down into the 10-20hz area and lower, which obviously by the measured response of the all of those speakers mentioned, will be next to impossible to produce. This is the reason a dedicated subwoofer is mated with even the best quality setups. A subwoofer will produce that material in the 10 or 20hz - 80hz range with far more ease then the speakers. How low a subwoofer will go greatly depends on the quality of the sub of coarse.

Looking at the entire range a speaker can produce,@ 40hz-20,000hz, the 20-80hz is not a lot of material that your losing here, let a sub handle it... thats its job and it will do it with greater ease then trying to let the speakers struggle with it. The Sub is there to lighten the load of the speakers.

What size is your room ace? That should dictate whether you really need a large speaker like the 100's.

In my bedroom setup, I have the Signature S4's, and a SVS PB12-Plus sub, and they work great together. The S4's are totally overkill for my small room. Even the 20's with a Sub would be excellent as well...

Check ceasar1's setup, just posted... He's running 20's as his mains and obviously he has a nice setup, and its working great for him.

In my bedroom setup, I have the Signature S4's, and a SVS PB12-Plus sub, and they work great together. The S4's are totally overkill for my small room. Even the 20's with a Sub would be excellent as well...



How small is your bedroom? I also have the PB-12Plus I love it....Cherry finish too, which will blend with my S4s whenever I get them. My cozy HT is about 10x12x8H.

Wow, thats small... My room is about 1800^3 15x15 or so.... :)

I'll have to post some pics when I get my new .dresser at the end of the month.
But I have to say, I really love the S4's. Great sound and beautiful looks.

Sitting in bed as we speak, listening to some 5.1 Dave Mathews on the DVR... Grinnin from ear to ear !!

Wow, thats small... My room is about 1800^3 15x15 or so.... :)

I'll have to post some pics when I get my new .dresser at the end of the month.
But I have to say, I really love the S4's. Great sound and beautiful looks.

Sitting in bed as we speak, listening to some 5.1 Dave Mathews on the DVR... Grinnin from ear to ear !!

Yes..SoCal non-master bedrooms are tiny in houses under a million dollars. ;) What are you doing in bed on a work day? :) Have you thought about auditioning the Wyred4Sound amps to see how they compare with your D-Sonic and the S4/C3?

I own my own business, which thrives on the weekend, so rarely do I see time off on the weekend... Tuesday is my day off... 70-80hrs a week, if not more...

Just chilling for a while here at home, but Ive been gettin really twitchy to get out on my FJR1300, and the temps are creepin up, gunna hit mid 40's today :rolleyes::eek:, so I gotta go for a ride.

I pulled the trigger on the D-Sonic, with a budget in mind... I won't be getting any thing else unless I don't like the D-Sonic compared to the Rotel, but I doubt that will be the case. Can't see dumpin another $1K more then what I'm already spending.
I was going to get the Emotiva XPA-5, and I'm sure I would have been more then happy with that, and probably wouldn't have wanted for more, but the bug bit me on the IcePower, so I figured I would give that a go instead... really pushed that budget....

[QUOTE=Warpdrv;13351727]What size is your room ace? That should dictate whether you really need a large speaker like the 100's.

My room is 16x18x8. Thanks for your input so far!!!

Well, just got my first new part - the sub - PB13 Ultra. Replaced my little Sunfire mini.

Holy cow.

It's amazing what a good sub will do to a HT. It dramatically fills in the sound in ways I didn't realize I was missing. And that periodic chest thump is pretty nice, too. I haven't even re-run Audessey yet, just SPL'd the thing.

Wow.

My speakers should be here by Monday, when I'll probably die from enjoyment (or at least disappear for a few days into my HT). The wiring is completely done, the stage is completely done, and I just put up the rear speaker wall mounts (thanks Warp!). Just have to do a little touch-up paint for where the old speakers were, and I'm done!

You know AbMagFab, that pictures are required for us to believe you bought any of this $htuuuufff... :)

Congrats on the Ultra13, I can't imagine how much better it is then the Plus/2's.

[QUOTE=Warpdrv;13351727]What size is your room ace? That should dictate whether you really need a large speaker like the 100's.

My room is 16x18x8. Thanks for your input so far!!!

My 100's and 570 and 20's work great in my 17 x 17 x 8 opened to a den
11 x 12 have the bass crossed over at 80hz except the 100's are at 70hz
so if this helps fine. I would like to mention when i had to have one of
the 100's warrantied i moved the 20's up front and they were nice but
no comparison to the 100's even crossed over at 80hz.

You know AbMagFab, that pictures are required for us to believe you bought any of this $htuuuufff... :)

Congrats on the Ultra13, I can't imagine how much better it is then the Plus/2's.

Good idea - I'll post pictures when it's all done next week. Of course, the room is kinda small for the stuff I'm putting in it (12x15x8), but I don't care! I'm preparing for when I take over my daughter's rec room - yeah, that's it...

(The Ultra13 is pretty large, by the way... Hopefully it will work where I have it, as there really isn't any other place in the room to easily put it... I can't imagine how big those Hsu's are!)

2 questions:

(1) I am installing a 7.1 HT (100% movies) in a large (4,600 cubic feet) room. I have already decided on:

- Front: Monitor 9s
- Center: cc-290
- Rears: Atoms
- Sub: AV123 MWF-15

but seeking input on the sides. Does anyone have thoughts on whether or not the sonics of the ADP-390 are worth the $$$ over the ADP-190 (especially with a powerful sub in the room already)?

(2) I have a slightly smaller room that the kids are going to use for a large playroom. They will watch some TV there and probably play video games as well. I don't want to throw a lot of money at this system. I'm considering just some cheap HTIB (like the Onkyo 800), but have also wondered if a system comprised of all Atoms might work. (Front, Center, Sides, Rears -- would probably need to get a reasonably cheap subwoofer as well.) Has anyone tried this? Would this be crazy?

Thanks,
BR

I keep seeing you guys talking about using a pair of Atom's for the rear on a 7.1 system... How would a pair of Mini's work well if you have the room, or would it be too much ?? WHat about switching the Mini's to the side and having a pair of 390s for the rears ??

Also, if I was looking at a pair of Mini's to use on my PC what would be the best / cost effect way to set them up so that you would get the most out of them ??

Bellanrusty
If you can swing the 390, it will probably provide a lower FR and should be better with an 80hz crossover, which is likely what you will end up using, unless your receiver will have individual speaker crossovers..

Asnatlas
When is anything ever too much... If you got the room for the Mini's why not..

Just a thought, I am really starting to like the ADP for the side surround, I have always had in my other system used a Direct Radiating.. Studio 20, and it works great, but the ADP in a more narrow room works fantastic..

You know AbMagFab, that pictures are required for us to believe you bought any of this $htuuuufff... :)

Congrats on the Ultra13, I can't imagine how much better it is then the Plus/2's.

2nd that...

Hey Warpdrv, You seem to be a Big Paradigm fan. Are the Sigs really the next step for you,or are you not listening outside the box?

Not trying to take shots just wondering?

DN

2nd that...

Hey Warpdrv, You seem to be a Big Paradigm fan. Are the Sigs really the next step for you,or are you not listening outside the box?

Not trying to take shots just wondering?

DN

As a former Sig V1 owner, I can say that they are very fine speakers and I liked them more than several other more expensive brands (KEF Reference, Aerial Acoustic, Martin Logan, Dynaudio). But everyone's preferences for sound quality are different enough that I'm sure someone else would have made a different choice. The Sigs are certainly capable of standing toe-to-toe with anything in their price range and sometimes above.

2nd that...

Hey Warpdrv, You seem to be a Big Paradigm fan. Are the Sigs really the next step for you,or are you not listening outside the box?

Not trying to take shots just wondering?

DN

After getting the Studios and coming to appreciate their sound quality, I guess it just was the next natural transition for me to see what the Sigs had to offer. And walking into the deal I had, I figured how could I pass it up. The Studio's are fantastic as it is, how could I go wrong by getting something with the same sound characteristics but better.

As a former Sig V1 owner, I can say that they are very fine speakers and I liked them more than several other more expensive brands (KEF Reference, Aerial Acoustic, Martin Logan, Dynaudio). But everyone's preferences for sound quality are different enough that I'm sure someone else would have made a different choice. The Sigs are certainly capable of standing toe-to-toe with anything in their price range and sometimes above.

I agree hifi;

I dialed in my setup last night, and I can really appreciate the S4's, running through some different material and getting more time with them, I can truly appreciate why they were so well recieved. I just felt the totally opened up last night, firing up some Andreas Vollenweider, just astounding. I haven't had the chance to get out and hear all the different levels of speakers out there, but I look forward to experimenting in the years to come... Can't wait for my amp to come....

Warpdrv

I'm sure you have mentioned it in previous threads but what amp are you going with?

Maybe you guys can help me out, what would you consider a "no brainer price" on a clean, one owner set of signature 8's ver1? I would love to pick up the ver2 from my dealer but the cost is more than I can justify? I have a seller in mind who I have been talking with, Im trying to stretch and make the purchase and we are trying to close a deal but I wanted to throw this out to you guys since im more of a novice in this arena, my specialty is more hometheater. This is overkill for our living room but I love the look and finish of this speaker (rosewood), original owner etc... so what price would you "snap up" a clean pair for?
thanks in advance

Maybe you guys can help me out, what would you consider a "no brainer price" on a clean, one owner set of signature 8's ver1? I would love to pick up the ver2 from my dealer but the cost is more than I can justify? I have a seller in mind who I have been talking with, Im trying to stretch and make the purchase and we are trying to close a deal but I wanted to throw this out to you guys since im more of a novice in this arena, my specialty is more hometheater. This is overkill for our living room but I love the look and finish of this speaker (rosewood), original owner etc... so what price would you "snap up" a clean pair for?
thanks in advance

50 -55% off of MSRP for a standard finish but probably more like 45-50% off for the rosewood because it is rare. I've sold more than seven 5 channel set-ups over the past eight years, so I have a pretty good handle on used gear pricing.

youre one of the people I was hoping would respond, sending you a pm so thread can continue on track

Hey bellanrusty I have some input on your second quesiton.

I used two Atoms wire together as a center, before I found a deal on a CC-290, with Focus mains, Atom rears, with a 12" sub. The sub was too much and it created too much of a gap between the smaller speakers and big sub. I used them in HT setup and the Atoms really did not sound that great in the center. They were good for music but just lacked throught for a nice center.

BUT....When taking you alternative into consideration of a HTIB system, I would say go with the Atom system and a 8"-10" sub. As you certainly already know the quality of the Paradigms will be far better than any HTIB system.

Warpdrv

I'm sure you have mentioned it in previous threads but what amp are you going with?
D-Sonic 2000-5
http://d-sonic.net/


Maybe you guys can help me out, what would you consider a "no brainer price" on a clean, one owner set of signature 8's ver1? I would love to pick up the ver2 from my dealer but the cost is more than I can justify? I have a seller in mind who I have been talking with, Im trying to stretch and make the purchase and we are trying to close a deal but I wanted to throw this out to you guys since im more of a novice in this arena, my specialty is more hometheater. This is overkill for our living room but I love the look and finish of this speaker (rosewood), original owner etc... so what price would you "snap up" a clean pair for?
thanks in advance


I think the price he has listed on those S8's in Rosewood is a fair price..
JMO, and btw... the rosewood is gorgeous... the S4's and C3 I got in Rosewood is very sexy and matches my Oak woodwork flawlessly...

What do you guys think?
I know it's a hokey, crappy, cheap-a$$ set-up, but I am pretty limited. Which do you think looks better. As is, or I put the center channel on a "floating" shelf above the tv?
The tv is just a little higher than I want. Also right now from the seated position, the center channel is about a foot lower than my ears. Plus there are feet for the stand that I would like to put on and could do that if the tv wasn't on the center channel.
Thoughts....?

What do you guys think?
I know it's a hokey, crappy, cheap-a$$ set-up, but I am pretty limited. Which do you think looks better. As is, or I put the center channel on a "floating" shelf above the tv?
The tv is just a little higher than I want. Also right now from the seated position, the center channel is about a foot lower than my ears. Plus there are feet for the stand that I would like to put on and could do that if the tv wasn't on the center channel.
Thoughts....?

Maximum7, Which center is that ??

CC-690 ??

It's the "Acme 7000 Mega Center"...



Just kidding...it's the 690

It's the "Acme 7000 Mega Center"...

Just kidding...it's the 690

LOL, it makes my Monitor CC-370 v.3 look like a baby...

Also your 690 looks a little off center (to the right) :)

How dare you....! :D


Hmmm... that's what people say about me.

Actually it's just the angle I was at whilst taking the shot. It's not.

Well I was thinking of picking up a pair of s8 in rosewood but a friend of mine who is also a paradigm dealer said that I shouldnt because here in wisconsin where the atmosphere is dryer in the winter it affects the finish, this only applies to the rosewood finish. He indicated that this is why they discontinued that particular finish and this comes from paradigm, hes a friend and I trust his judgement but im just bummed,,,damn damn damn, :(:(:( is there anything I could put on the finish to prevent this?

How dare you....! :D

Hmmm... that's what people say about me.

Actually it's just the angle I was at whilst taking the shot. It's not.

LOL, I was thinking that it just might be the angle, how dare you for taking a skewed pic :)

Well I was thinking of picking up a pair of s8 in rosewood but a friend of mine who is also a paradigm dealer said that I shouldnt because here in wisconsin where the atmosphere is dryer in the winter it affects the finish, this only applies to the rosewood finish. He indicated that this is why they discontinued that particular finish and this comes from paradigm, hes a friend and I trust his judgement but im just bummed,,,damn damn damn, :(:(:( is there anything I could put on the finish to prevent this?

What is the humidity in your house ?? I would think that as long as its around 35-45% in the winter you should be fine... You could always get a whole house furnace humidifier (http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=185806-40586-DS2001C&lpage=none) and that would solve any dry air problem that your friend talked about...

What do you guys think?
I know it's a hokey, crappy, cheap-a$$ set-up, but I am pretty limited. Which do you think looks better. As is, or I put the center channel on a "floating" shelf above the tv?
The tv is just a little higher than I want. Also right now from the seated position, the center channel is about a foot lower than my ears. Plus there are feet for the stand that I would like to put on and could do that if the tv wasn't on the center channel.
Thoughts....?

I think that is actually quite a good set-up. I'm always jealous of people that can get a nice spread between their L/R speakers and don't have to deal with an asymetrical room layout like I have. I would leave the center speaker as is. A foot too low is better than 3 feet too high. Besides the Paradigms have excellent off-axis response, so the one foot difference between your ears and the center height should have minimal if any effect on the sound.

What do you guys think?
I know it's a hokey, crappy, cheap-a$$ set-up, but I am pretty limited.
Thoughts....?

That could have bee said about my setup as well. Notice that they are very similar. http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2127/paradigm690setupkv9.jpg

Other than getting a better looking stand which will also help with wire management issues, what tweaks do I need to make?

My wife never said anything about me buying the SVS PB12-Plus/2, the Studio 100s, the Rotel RBM-1095, the Pioneer 60" plasma, but the center speaker finally drew a response- "hun, I don't think our living room is big enough to support all that,"... Yes, the CC-690 really seems to screem.... "THIS IS A BIG SYSTEM"

Plan 'B' summer plan is to move it downstairs after basement redo. With that, I'll have more room to get fronts away from rear walls, and will give me room to go with the ADPs or so other direct firing speakers for the rear.

Okay, thanks for looking... so for now, they call me " lil'Warp with junky stand "

Notice that they are very similar

Holy Crap! That is too funny... Hey I burnt my hand last nite on the stove. Did you feel anything?

Lighten up your pic so we can see it....

I have a local Paradigm dealer who really wants to get rid of a Servo 15 V.2.
It is brand new. Used on the demo floor since just before Christmas.

If anybody is interested PM me. I am in the shipping business so shipping is not a problem. I am not making a penny on this, just trying to help them unload the thing.

I have a local Paradigm dealer who really wants to get rid of a Servo 15 V.2.
It is brand new. Used on the demo floor since just before Christmas.

If anybody is interested PM me. I am in the shipping business so shipping is not a problem. I am not making a penny on this, just trying to help them unload the thing.

They shouldn't have any problem getting rid of that sucker. That, I am sure.

I have a local Paradigm dealer

Wouldn't it be grand if people put at least their location in their sig...?

Ok I'm building my HT and have 4 ea SA30's and 2ea ADP390's.

Originally I planned to use three of the SA30's as the L-C-R and the adp's for the 5.1. I now want to set up 7.1?
When I purchased the speakers I thought I had to use
in-walls. I moved the screen 180 and now using an AT screen I do not have to use in walls for the front but should use in-walls for the back. So the plan is to make some boxes for the sa30's L & R and purchase a new center speaker.
Since I can use a boxed speaker any recommendations? Or would it still be best to have all three speakers the same up front?

I do have a set of BA AR6’s that I could use as the rear surround?
Thanks
Hope this makes sence?
Or just use the extra sa30 in the rear as a 6.1??

Holy Crap! That is too funny... Hey I burnt my hand last nite on the stove. Did you feel anything?

Lighten up your pic so we can see it....

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/93/paradigm690009ks5.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8839/paradigm690002bk0.jpg


Like I said... still have a lot of work to do with placement, cabinet, etc...

Like I said... still have a lot of work to do with placement, cabinet, etc...
Your setup is fine. Having said that, cabinets are a PITA in you ask me :)

To get a cabinet that has glass doors (to avoid all that dust from getting to the gear and cabinetry, HT lovers will never be able to just put the speaker on the upper shelf as we always used to do. These darn centers are getting bigger, heavier and much taller.

Coupled with low Plasma / LCD stands, most of the larger centers will simply block the display. To pay for a flexible rig that works (glass doors + something that can support a big center), you are now looking at $1K and that means also mounting the plasma so it's not even using the cabinet! :)

Anyone else frustrated like I am? :)

Your setup is fine. Having said that, cabinets are a PITA in you ask me :)

To get a cabinet that has glass doors (to avoid all that dust from getting to the gear and cabinetry, HT lovers will never be able to just put the speaker on the upper shelf as we always used to do. These darn centers are getting bigger, heavier and much taller.

Coupled with low Plasma / LCD stands, most of the larger centers will simply block the display. To pay for a flexible rig that works (glass doors + something that can support a big center), you are now looking at $1K and that means also mounting the plasma so it's not even using the cabinet! :)

Anyone else frustrated like I am? :)

I agree with you 110% :)

Hello Paradigm owners.

I have a bud who works at a local Paradigm dealer willing to give me a great deal with his discount and Paradigm "rewards." He quoted me $900 for a pair of Studio 60s. I almost wrote him a check right there. I know the owner of the shop too, as I work at BB and send people there daily, so he loves me for it.

However, would the 100s be a marked improvement over the 60s? Since I can hopefully get them for so cheap, aside from a better low end, what would I gain?

I'm a college student, so I'm trying to keep the price down, but get very good stuff that will last. I've also been looking at PSB's Image T65 and KEF iQ9s.

Hello Paradigm owners.

I have a bud who works at a local Paradigm dealer willing to give me a great deal with his discount and Paradigm "rewards." He quoted me $900 for a pair of Studio 60s. I almost wrote him a check right there. I know the owner of the shop too, as I work at BB and send people there daily, so he loves me for it.

However, would the 100s be a marked improvement over the 60s? Since I can hopefully get them for so cheap, aside from a better low end, what would I gain?

I'm a college student, so I'm trying to keep the price down, but get very good stuff that will last. I've also been looking at PSB's Image T65 and KEF iQ9s.

You also get a cleaner, more detailed midrange because the 100's feature a dedicated midrange driver rather than a mid/woofer. Intermodulation distortion goes way down in a true 3-way speaker like the 100's.

You also get a cleaner, more detailed midrange because the 100's feature a dedicated midrange driver rather than a mid/woofer. Intermodulation distortion goes way down in a true 3-way speaker like the 100's.

Good point Tim. But, how much more would Codes20 have to pay to get the 100s and in his position, would it be worth it. I think we need to give advice based on the poster's requirements.

As far as I remember, I don't think I have ever seen a post from Studio 60 owner wishing they had gone up to the 100s. Now having said that, there is always bigger and better. But it ultimately comes with a price.

Now having said that, there is always bigger and better. But it ultimately comes with a price.

I would say if he is able to get a discount like he is posting, I would milk it for all it's worth if I could afford it...

Good point Tim. But, how much more would Codes20 have to pay to get the 100s and in his position, would it be worth it. I think we need to give advice based on the poster's requirements.

As far as I remember, I don't think I have ever seen a post from Studio 60 owner wishing they had gone up to the 100s. Now having said that, there is always bigger and better. But it ultimately comes with a price.

I think it is best to offer the objective info and let him decide if it is worth it and if he can afford it. At least he knows what to listen for now.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/93/paradigm690009ks5.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8839/paradigm690002bk0.jpg


Like I said... still have a lot of work to do with placement, cabinet, etc...

Hey bash, do you think the center would fit on the second shelf of your stand with the feet taken off? If so, could you tell me what model your TV stand is? Thanks.

Hey bash, do you think the center would fit on the second shelf of your stand with the feet taken off? If so, could you tell me what model your TV stand is? Thanks.

Not sure you can remove the feet on the CC-690 ?? I could be wrong...

Bump
Center speaker help!!!

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Ok I'm building my HT and have 4 ea SA30's and 2ea ADP390's.

Originally I planned to use three of the SA30's as the L-C-R and the adp's for the 5.1. I now want to set up 7.1?
When I purchased the speakers I thought I had to use
in-walls. I moved the screen 180 and now using an AT screen I do not have to use in walls for the front but should use in-walls for the back. So the plan is to make some boxes for the sa30's L & R and purchase a new center speaker.
Since I can use a boxed speaker any recommendations? Or would it still be best to have all three speakers the same up front?

I do have a set of BA AR6’s that I could use as the rear surround?
Thanks
Hope this makes sence?
Or just use the extra sa30 in the rear as a 6.1??

swgiust:

With respect to your post regarding the Servo 15 v2, I think it's somewhat misleading. You say that you're helping a dealer friend to sell this and that you're in the shipping business so shipping won't be a problem, but in your response to my PM, you tell me "shipping this Servo 15 is gonna cost you". Can you please clarify that statement not only for me, but for the readers of this thread? Thanks!

Hey bash, do you think the center would fit on the second shelf of your stand with the feet taken off? If so, could you tell me what model your TV stand is? Thanks.

Yes, the feet do come off. Actually, they ship without the feet on and Paradigm includes some little stick stickies in the event that you use it with the feet off.

The stand that I have is one that I bought at Big Lots. It was pretty cheap, but my wife insisted that I get a stand to put the TV on that night... although I new that I would be mounting it on the wall.

The speaker will fit on the second shelf, but there are two things to consider
1) the second shelf is only rated for about 50 lbs due to the thickness of glass and they way the glass is attached and 2) the 690 is pretty deep and the wire management strut in the back would prevent me from pushing it as far back as I would like.

On a different note, I haven't been real wound up about getting the speaker into a more permanent position because I will be returning it. The UPS man or some other rowdy handler dropped the speaker box. When I pick ed it up, the box was torn and creased on each side where the handle is. Long story short, it appeared undamaged, but ended up having two little nicks along the bottom edge of the speaker. I will be getting a replacement in a few weeks and then will be more concerned about getting a fixed spot for it.

The UPS man or some other rowdy handler dropped the speaker box. When I pick ed it up, the box was torn and creased on each side where the handle is. Long story short, it appeared undamaged, but ended up having two little nicks along the bottom edge of the speaker.

You know I was helping a friend do a system and we had to order 3 different CC-390's before we finally got one that wasn't beat to crap. My 690 box was hammered, but fortunately the speaker wasn't. Paradigm really needs to re-think their packaging on these speakers that are so long.

Tgamble,

Is there anyway you can take the in-walls back?
I don't know how successful you would be building boxes for in-wall speakers as they are designed differently.
I would also try to get a center from the Studio line if you're gonna keep the SA-30's. If a medium to small room, then the CC-590. If bigger, then go with the 690.
I did a system for a friend and he wanted in-walls for the left and right and a "free standing" for the center. It sounded fine, but he wasn't going to be super critcial either.

Also, do you have a really big room? If not, you might not need 7.1. The ADP's really can fill a room nicely when properly placed.

If you can, I would really shoot for free standing speakers whenever possible.

However, would the 100s be a marked improvement over the 60s? Since I can hopefully get them for so cheap, aside from a better low end, what would I gain?

I'm a college student, so I'm trying to keep the price down, but get very good stuff that will last. I've also been looking at PSB's Image T65 and KEF iQ9

What version are the 60's? That is nuts if it's V.4!
If you can swing it go for the 100's. I agree with "hifisponge". The 100's have the seperate mid and most people notice a cleaner mid-range because of it.

BUT !!
Keep in mind they thrive on power and a receiver will not do them justice. Plus they need room to breathe.

The PSB's are also very good speakers and you should do yourself a favor and go listen for yourself.
Good luck.

What version are the 60's? That is nuts if it's V.4!
If you can swing it go for the 100's. I agree with "hifisponge". The 100's have the seperate mid and most people notice a cleaner mid-range because of it.

BUT !!
Keep in mind they thrive on power and a receiver will not do them justice. Plus they need room to breathe.

The PSB's are also very god speakers and you should do yourself a favor and go listen for yourself.
Good luck.

I agree that the 100's definitely require proper placement and need to be at least 2-3 feet away from the walls, but I think he would do fine with an upper mid-line or high-end AVR as long as he doesn't push the volume up to rock concert levels. I drove the S8's I had with a Denon 5800 with excellent results.

BTW - I want "god speakers". :D

Tgamble,

Is there anyway you can take the in-walls back?
I don't know how successful you would be building boxes for in-wall speakers as they are designed differently.
I would also try to get a center from the Studio line if you're gonna keep the SA-30's. If a medium to small room, then the CC-590. If bigger, then go with the 690.
I did a system for a friend and he wanted in-walls for the left and right and a "free standing" for the center. It sounded fine, but he wasn't going to be super critcial either.

Also, do you have a really big room? If not, you might not need 7.1. The ADP's really can fill a room nicely when properly placed.

If you can, I would really shoot for free standing speakers whenever possible.

Thanks for the advise on the center.
I can not take them back. I have read about supporting the box above and below with a 2x4. Thought I could do step better by building the box out of mdf. Mdf being stronger than sheet rock?
The room is 16 x 19 about 300 square ft.
As far as the 5.1? wouldn't it be better to do a 6.1? i have 4 ea. sa30's that would be three for the front and one for the back with the adp 390 on the side.
I dont know if my ears could tell the difference between the boxes or in-walls. The paradigms are the most expensive speakers I've ever owned
Thanks again for your help.
Just spent the whole day putting up furring strips for the rsci clips. fun fun.
Ted

Ok I was confused. I thought you were gonna make free standing speaker boxes for them. Yes you should brace up the wall as much as you can. If you have a dealer near you, I would solicit their advice on installing them.

I need help on choosing stands for the ADP-190s. I'm looking for at least 36" high. Any advice?

Ok I was confused. I thought you were gonna make free standing speaker boxes for them. Yes you should brace up the wall as much as you can. If you have a dealer near you, I would solicit their advice on installing them.

No wasn’t planning on making freestanding boxes. Since I have access to both sides of the wall I thought it would make since to create mdf in-wall boxes. I assume that the correct size would be about what the wall cavity would create if they we a normal in-wall application.
I did not buy the paradigms from my local dealer so I would not feel right asking for his advice.
Notice you to live in Vancouver. I’m up in the Salmon creek area.
Thanks again for your help.
Ted

Jimmy.... swguist is on the up and up... they are heavy subs... I think he's going out of his way here...
I'm also interested in the sub... much smaller footprint then my SVS PB12 Plus..:o In my bedroom...

I need help on choosing stands for the ADP-190s. I'm looking for at least 36" high. Any advice?

Dark - All of the ADP speakers are "voiced" to be placed on a wall. They may sound a little thin in the bass if used on stands. And surround speakers are supposed to be placed 2-3 feet above seated ear height. But if you are set on placing them on stands, you can find a good assortment here:

http://www.racksandstands.com/31-in.-or-more-l5-c7-A34~5.html

Dark - All of the ADP speakers are "voiced" to be placed on a wall. They may sound a little thin in the bass if used on stands. And surround speakers are supposed to be placed 2-3 feet above seated ear height. But if you are set on placing them on stands, you can find a good assortment here:

http://www.racksandstands.com/31-in.-or-more-l5-c7-A34~5.html

I use to think this as well, until I did alot of research on Room Acoustics @ Rives Audio, and read :

Dipoles can either be ceiling mounted or wall mounted. Wall mounted is generally preferred and the dipole should be at approximately the listener's ear height or sometimes slightly higher.

http://www.rivesaudio.com/resources/links/frame.html
http://www.audioholics.com/tweaks/speaker-setup-guidelines/loudspeaker-placement-guide

How many people here have the ADP's at ear level? I have mine much higher, and never bothered to compare the effects of "at ear level".

gunbunny -

Like anything, rear speaker placement is a matter of preference and it depends on the other conditions involved. If you are close to your surrounds, then I find placing them higher up helps from having them draw too much attention to their location. Then again, some people really like to hear their surrounds in action.

I think ear height could work well if you have a fair amount of distance between the listening position and them-- say 5+ feet.

I've tried tried ear level, but because my rears are only 3 feet behind me, I found that position rather distracting. Putting them too high up also causes a disconnect to the front soundstage too because of the obvious change in sound effect height when things move from front to back.

Best thing to do it get some cheap adjustable height speaker stands and experiment.

The stands would be about 3' from the listening position. The back wall doesn't allow a symmetrical mounting position in relation to the seating area because of a large window.

DarkSVT -

How about the side walls? That is the best location for dipoles any way.

If sidewall placement isn't possible, because the speakers will be relatively close, consider 42-48" stands.

I wanted to thank all of you who helped answer some questions about the Paradigm S8 speakers I was considering (Hifisponge,bishman and a few others). I took the plunge and will be purchasing the pair of signature S8's from the owner who actually lowered the price. It was up in the air for a while between the much cheaper polk LSI 25 or the signatures, I decided that it was worth it (to me). Since my budget it pretty much blown I need inexpensive yet suitable amplification that will do the speakers justice I was thinking of a multichannel receiver with preamp outs to use with a decent 5 channel amplifier or cheaper monoblocks such as the marantz, any ideas on combo that will work? my buget is under $1000.00 what amps or receivers will work well with these, do I have to have a 13000.00 front end on these guys? will marantz monoblocks (125w each) work ok? suggestions are welcome,thanks

Dark - All of the ADP speakers are "voiced" to be placed on a wall. They may sound a little thin in the bass if used on stands. And surround speakers are supposed to be placed 2-3 feet above seated ear height.


Again I agree with hifisponge. In fact you quoted from the Audioholics article confirming what he was saying...Wall mounted is generally preferred and the dipole should be at approximately the listener's ear height or sometimes slightly higher.
A little above your seated position I think will be a little more enveloping. ADP's work by bouncing their sound of back walls and long the walls. That's why their drivers are on the sides. I have heard them work very well in both scenarios, on the back wall or along the side with the side of the speaker in line with your ear, but up a couple feet.

If you are not going to use them in that application, and want to use stands, perhaps direct-radiation might be better suited to your situation.

Jimmy.... swguist is on the up and up... they are heavy subs... I think he's going out of his way here...
I'm also interested in the sub... much smaller footprint then my SVS PB12 Plus..:o In my bedroom...


UPS ground Ne to Ca is about $ 250.00

The deal is a local Paradigm dealer has a Servo 15 v.2 that they had to bring in when they brought in the Studio series. It's an expensive and very large sub. We are a relativley small town, 22,00 pop. So selling the thing is going to be tough. Now Paradigm has very strict rules on selling out side their areas.
So I figured I'd throw it out there and see if anybody wants it. The deal would be with the dealer, not me. I would simply pick the thing up and ship it to you.

Update - I got almost everything today, but the S6's were apparently damaged, so my dealer refused them and is ordering another pair.

So far, everything sounds amazing! I have the C5, S2's, and ADP3's set up, and just the C5 in the P5 for now. Depending on whether I bi-amp or not, I might put the S2's or ADP3's into the P5 as well (as the S6's).

When it's all set up, I'll take some pics and post them.

(Warp - the S2's just barely fit into the wall mounts. Do you know of any other wall mount that is a little deeper? If not, I'm going to have to fashion some sort of stabilizer for the base. Right now, I can't angle them down at all or they'll fall out. I'll also try what you posted, but I don't think I can get the S2's back far enough for that to work.)

Update - I got almost everything today, but the S6's were apparently damaged, so my dealer refused them and is ordering another pair.

So far, everything sounds amazing! I have the C5, S2's, and ADP3's set up, and just the C5 in the P5 for now. Depending on whether I bi-amp or not, I might put the S2's or ADP3's into the P5 as well (as the S6's).

When it's all set up, I'll take some pics and post them.

(Warp - the S2's just barely fit into the wall mounts. Do you know of any other wall mount that is a little deeper? If not, I'm going to have to fashion some sort of stabilizer for the base. Right now, I can't angle them down at all or they'll fall out. I'll also try what you posted, but I don't think I can get the S2's back far enough for that to work.)

That totally sucks about the damage.... at least your dealer is workin for you there.... Its seriously heart breaking....

I take it that your using the S2's as your mains for a mini type setup...
Thats totally cool, and I bet you are already amazed...

Hook everything up as is, and then use the S6's as comparison to the S2's.

As far as the S2's for the Rears, I guess you might have to find someone to fabricate what you need. You can make the measurements and have someone build you something out of steel. It would be actually pretty easy.

You could make a cable type hanging from the ceiling platform or a rear wall mount type thing...

That totally sucks about the damage.... at least your dealer is workin for you there.... Its seriously heart breaking....

I take it that your using the S2's as your mains for a mini type setup...
Thats totally cool, and I bet you are already amazed...

Hook everything up as is, and then use the S6's as comparison to the S2's.

As far as the S2's for the Rears, I guess you might have to find someone to fabricate what you need. You can make the measurements and have someone build you something out of steel. It would be actually pretty easy.

You could make a cable type hanging from the ceiling platform or a rear wall mount type thing...

That's not a bad idea, but I set up my S2's where they belong, as the rear surrounds. It's just that they are a little precarious. I had to level them out, so they aren't angled down right now.

I'm thinking maybe if I cut some 1/8" MDF to act as a little extension shelf, bolt the MDF to the metal base of the arm, then put some rubber on the MDF to both protect the speaker and be non-slip, that might work? Only if the 1/8" MDF won't bend though, which it might not at this dimension.

Otherwise I'll need to do the same thing, but with some metal plates, which will be harder to work with. Unless Home Depot has some stock flat metal plate that I can drill/bolt on to the metal arm, then cover with rubber.

With either of these, I should be able to bolt the speaker to the 1/8" MDF or the metal plate though, so that might help a lot.

What size and type of screw goes into these speakers anyway? I know you posted a picture before, but I don't know what size screw that is (and I'm not at home right now to measure).

Hi,

I am looking for some older (early to mid nineties) Paradigm speakers to complete my 7.2 theater setup.

I want to end up with (3) identical front speakers, so I would consider any of the following:

1) A pair of 5Se Mk3 speakers (or a single one) to match my existing pair;

2) Any THREE OR FOUR IDENTICAL BI-WIRABLE full range models of Mk3 vintage such as:

- 3se Mk3;
- 7se Mk3;
- 9se Mk3;
- 11SE Mk3

3) OR Two CC-300 speakers to match my existing one

I also am looking for a PS1000 subwoofer, version 1.

I would consider buying entire speaker packages / systems of this vintage.

Please email me to let me know what you have. Cash or trades are possible.

Please do NOT email me with NEWER Paradigm speakers you may have for sale, as they will not sonically match what I already have...

Any colour finish is fine, as is *cosmetic* damage since they will be hidden behind a screen wall.

Thanks,

Doug

What size and type of screw goes into these speakers anyway? I know you posted a picture before, but I don't know what size screw that is (and I'm not at home right now to measure).

I can't remember... I know it was posted somewhere on this thread.

Give that famous auction site a look.
There are a pair of 5se and 7se's on there right now.

Also, are you looking for a V.1 PS1000 for matching purposes, because it's a moot point with subs.

Give that famous auction site a look.
There are a pair of 5se and 7se's on there right now.

Also, are you looking for a V.1 PS1000 for matching purposes, because it's a moot point with subs.

Ya I just snagged a single S4 v2 cherry on flea-bay for 50% off MSRP. And got the speaker stands from audiogon last week. Now I just need the rest of my setup....second S4, C3, and ADP-590 or ADP-1.

Hey all,

I just got a pair of Studio 100 v2's delivered to me and one arrived damaged. The plastic piece that sits in the bottom front of the speaker with the Paradigm logo was completely destroyed and in about 4 pieces. Do any of you know if it's possible to get that replaced? Looking at it, it doesn't look like something you'd normally be able to remove...

I just contacted my local dealer and am waiting for a response, but figured I'd post here as well to see what I could find out since he's out for the day. These are the v2's so I'm nervous that replacement parts aren't going to be readily available. Any info would be great.

Hey all,

I just got a pair of Studio 100 v2's delivered to me and one arrived damaged. The plastic piece that sits in the bottom front of the speaker with the Paradigm logo was completely destroyed and in about 4 pieces. Do any of you know if it's possible to get that replaced? Looking at it, it doesn't look like something you'd normally be able to remove...

I just contacted my local dealer and am waiting for a response, but figured I'd post here as well to see what I could find out since he's out for the day. These are the v2's so I'm nervous that replacement parts aren't going to be readily available. Any info would be great.

On the S8's that I owned, that piece was easily removable. It was only held in place by posts that slid into rubber grommet holes on the face of the speaker (similar to the speaker grill). I don't know if this is the same for the 100's, but it should come off if you gently pull at it.

On the 100's (at least the v2) the part that broke appears to have been attached to posts that look to be screwed on from the inside of the speaker body. I suppose I'll wait until morning to see what my dealer tells me. Hopefully it can be replaced because these expensive speakers look strange missing this piece

just ordered cc-390. Can someone tell me if I need 2 conductor speaker cable or 4 conductor cable. Thank you for your help.

you only need a 2 conductor speaker wire...

there is a bridge connection that can be removed if you would like to bi-wire or bi-amp, both of which are probably not worth your time...

Just a quick question, I got a quote for a pair of 100s with a 690 for around $3100.00 out the door, is that a good price ?? Think I could find better for new in the box ??

Just a quick question, I got a quote for a pair of 100s with a 690 for around $3100.00 out the door, is that a good price ?? Think I could find better for new in the box ??

I believe 100s go for 2499 msrp and the 690 is 1199 msrp.. (which would be 3698 total).. getting it for 3100 would be a discount of 16%.. yeah.. thats a typical "package" deal... you did fine... but more importantly... where are the pixs and how do you like them :)

I have a 5.1 set-up:

Monitor 9's
CC390
Atom Monitors as rears
HSU VTF3 MK2 sub (if that matters for advice)

Thinking of going 7.1 by buying either 2 ADP390's or 190's. Should I use the Atoms as rears (I like them there now) or would it be more beneficial to use the ADP's as rears and Atoms as sides?

Thanks for the input.

I would leave your atoms as rears and use the ADP 390's as your side surrounds.

I am looking for a budget pair of surround speakers. I am considering a pair of used atom monitors or even a pair of cinema 70 on ebay. I currently have paradigm center, L, R,and sub but was looking for a smallish set of surrounds on a tight budget. Any recommendations? What about non-paradigm brands on a budget?

blockerb, what model Paradigm speakers are you running here... Monitors? version?

What is your room size, and I assume these intended for side surround...
If you room is narrow, then maybe ADP type surrounds might be a better option.

Tgamble,

Is there anyway you can take the in-walls back?
I don't know how successful you would be building boxes for in-wall speakers as they are designed differently.
I would also try to get a center from the Studio line if you're gonna keep the SA-30's. If a medium to small room, then the CC-590. If bigger, then go with the 690.
I did a system for a friend and he wanted in-walls for the left and right and a "free standing" for the center. It sounded fine, but he wasn't going to be super critcial either.

Also, do you have a really big room? If not, you might not need 7.1. The ADP's really can fill a room nicely when properly placed.

If you can, I would really shoot for free standing speakers whenever possible.

...and if you have a 7.1 A/V receiver you could use the extra two channels to bi amp your fronts or use them for a separate zone!:cool:

I believe 100s go for 2499 msrp and the 690 is 1199 msrp.. (which would be 3698 total).. getting it for 3100 would be a discount of 16%.. yeah.. thats a typical "package" deal... you did fine... but more importantly... where are the pixs and how do you like them :)

Isn't that the old MSRP? I believe that todays price would be about $300 more.

those prices are the old MSRP definitely

Hey - anyone know the name of the device that lets you balance the sub across the sub spectrum? I think it was a Fathom device? And is there a good place to get it on-line?

And do I remember that SVS was supposed to be making one as well?

I've done my best to equalize my sub in my room, and it's not horrible, but I still have two dips (at 85 and 110), and the sub will only equalize one of them.

Its the Velodyne SMS-1, and its good for eq'ing the sub in the room....

I had a line on a good source, When I find it, expect a PM....

SVS's unit will handle a broader area then the SMS-1, which is made to mic 1 location at a time, but who knows how long its going to be before they release it...
Here's that thread with the SVS-Audyssey sub EQ, looks like a great unit, prob won't be out until late '08
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=793007


BTW, here is the cut sheet for the SVS AS-EQ1 http://www.svsound.com/products/accessories/SVS_AudyessyFrontBack_CESpromo.pdf

Question about mounting ADP-190 on wall. I know they come with brackets but it doesn't seem to be enough space to run wires behind them. Can I use these Peerless mounts? (model SPK811)

http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/modelID/151310/productID/166493/categoryID/196

Question about mounting ADP-190 on wall. I know they come with brackets but it doesn't seem to be enough space to run wires behind them. Can I use these Peerless mounts? (model SPK811)

http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/modelID/151310/productID/166493/categoryID/196



I believe that the Paradigm mounts are designed to have the wire coming out of the wall behind the speaker, where you connect it...

If you are running the wire down/up the wall, then you could use spacers behind the paradigm wall mount to bring it out away from the wall, and use a rubber bumper type thing on the bottom of the speaker to bring that out equally as well...

The ADP's are voiced to be place directly onto the wall...

I believe that the Paradigm mounts are designed to have the wire coming out of the wall behind the speaker, where you connect it...

If you are running the wire down/up the wall, then you could use spacers behind the paradigm wall mount to bring it out away from the wall, and use a rubber bumper type thing on the bottom of the speaker to bring that out equally as well...

The ADP's are voiced to be place directly onto the wall...

The manual says they can be away from the wall. I can't run the wires in-wall , that's why I'm looking at mounts.

What kind of spacers are you referring to? Where can I get them?

I used peel & stick weather stripping, cut some 3/4" squares and stick them to the back.
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=66682-81-02311&lpage=none

Give that famous auction site a look.
There are a pair of 5se and 7se's on there right now.

Also, are you looking for a V.1 PS1000 for matching purposes, because it's a moot point with subs.

Hi, Thanks for the tip.

I am still hoping to find something within British Columbia where I live, to avoid shipping and border costs, but the longer I look, the more flexible I become...:-)

As far as the sub, yes I am looking for matching purposes. My concern is not so much sonically (I agree that is pretty much a moot point), but I think it will be easier to calibrate / tune two identical subs than two different ones.

Eventually I will probably get all new (or at least newER) speakers, but right now I am constructing the theater, and the costs just keep coming...:-)

Cheers,

Doug

Are the supplied brackets that thick?

Have read somewhere that one HT installation secret is to install sides and rears upside-down, so the tweeter is closer to ear level.

Anyone else ever try this, specifically with Atoms in the rear and ADP-190s or 390s on the side?

br

blockerb, what model Paradigm speakers are you running here... Monitors? version?

What is your room size, and I assume these intended for side surround...
If you room is narrow, then maybe ADP type surrounds might be a better option.

Well, my left and right are just Titan v2. The center is a CC-70 I think, and the sub is a PDR 10. I used to have the Phantoms as the left and right but got rid of those because they are so big. Our room is not very large and our budget is even smaller. Any suggestions?

Are the supplied brackets that thick?

Not sure how thick the brackets are.
I had Polk FXi3's that didn't come with the rubber feet that you put on the lower back of the speaker to keep the speaker level when hanging from the bracket. I used the weather stripping instead, it's foam so it soft and it will compress and keep the speaker the same distance from the wall as the bracket. I would buy weather stripping whatever thickness your bracket is off the speaker. Example: if the bracket is 3/8" off the back speaker the foam will keep the speaker at the bottom off the wall 3/8" also. See what I mean?:)

I am still hoping to find something within British Columbia where I live, to avoid shipping and border costs, but the longer I look, the more flexible I become...:-)

Doug
Doug, if you find a comparable sub from another brand, in the price range of the PS1000, please do share. I have a buddy living in that area and the best bang for the buck is still the PS1000. I think at the time that they purchased it, it was around $600 CDN (not so long ago, this was only worth $450 USD). Not sure what kind of sub you can buy for this price and have it beat the PS1000. $600 CDN is worth much more now than when the V1's came out so there might be some US brands you can consider.

I currently have paradigm mini monitor v5 fronts, and the 290 center. I'm considering upgrading to studio 20 for the fronts, but I'd have wait awhile before I could afford the correct center for the Studio 20's.

I understand that the monitor line and the studio line have different drivers. Despite this, would the Studio 20's and the cc290 from the Monitor line be more of a timber match than 2 speakers from completely different manufacturers.

Warp - did you ever post your experience after getting the D-Sonic? I'm considering getting a D2 (to replace my 905), and I'll need 2 more amps. The P2 seems like overkill for the ADP3's (or S2's, or S2's + ADP3's if I bi-amp the S6's).

Plus I'd like to get into the IcePower amp thing, and this seems like a way to do it without any risk (real or perceived) to my main sound.

What would you recommend for (pairing with my P5):

- 2 to 4 channels
- ~300w at 8 ohms for all channels, stable to 2 ohms
- XLR connectors (balanced)

I think that's it?

I would like to get some opinions on replacing my sub woofer. Here is my current set up.

Integra DTR-6.5 receiver(as pre-amp)and to drive surround speakers-100 watts
Anthem MCA-30 amp
Studio 60 v.3 fronts
Studio CC-470 v.3 center
Mini monitor surrounds
PW-2200 sub

I watch 80% music(live concerts) and 20% movies. I did not have the bucks to get a Servo 15 and my paradigm dealer recommended the PW over the seismic sub for music. I am not entirely disappointed but after reading some positives about SVS and Velodyne, I would like to know the models recommended from these companies based on your experiences.

Thanks in advance.

I would like to get some opinions on replacing my sub woofer. Here is my current set up.

Integra DTR-6.5 receiver(as pre-amp)and to drive surround speakers-100 watts
Anthem MCA-30 amp
Studio 60 v.3 fronts
Studio CC-470 v.3 center
Mini monitor surrounds
PW-2200 sub

I watch 80% music(live concerts) and 20% movies. I did not have the bucks to get a Servo 15 and my paradigm dealer recommended the PW over the seismic sub for music. I am not entirely disappointed but after reading some positives about SVS and Velodyne, I would like to know the models recommended from these companies based on your experiences.

Thanks in advance.
A budget will give you choices and more hits in the sub forum but if you
can swing the space and cost the pb ultra 13 from svs is outstanding.

A budget will give you choices and more hits in the sub forum but if you
can swing the space and cost the pb ultra 13 from svs is outstanding.

+1

I just got a PB13-Ultra, based on the recommendations here, and it's an amazing sub. Even better than I was expecting (and I had high expectations).

It's also much larger than I thought (even though I knew the dimensions - the actual size of a physical object always seems larger than the abstract measurements). Make sure you can fit it in your environment.

I prefer ported subs to sealed ones, but I'm mostly HT. For mostly music, you might prefer a sealed sub. You can set the PB13 to sealed if you want, but you might also consider the Fathom F113. It's about twice the cost of the PB13 (and about half the size), but is considered slightly better for music (and slightly worse for HT). But both are amazing subs and you can't go wrong either way.

PB13 Ultra is about $1500
F113 is about $3000

I used to believe that musical meant sealed but i have seen good and bad of both
but the 100's and s8's are both outstanding with music and ported along with hearing
bach organ works on a pb13 it sounded quite awesome.

Thanks. I agree that for mostly music, a sealed sub seems to make more sense. But the f112 is too expensive. I think the PB13 Ultra is about the max I would want to spend. Even though it is ported, I would think it should perform better than the Paradigm I have now.

Reason I posted here is to solicit some of the Paradigm PW-2200 sub owners who switched to a different sub.

Warp - did you ever post your experience after getting the D-Sonic? I'm considering getting a D2 (to replace my 905), and I'll need 2 more amps. The P2 seems like overkill for the ADP3's (or S2's, or S2's + ADP3's if I bi-amp the S6's).



My amp was delayed, as the 500ASP modules were stuck in customs, but Dennis at D-Sonic was accommodating for the delay... But it looks like I will get it Wed. I will certainly be back here to give some feedback for sure...


kjmtk; I watch 80% music(live concerts) and 20% movies. I did not have the bucks to get a Servo 15 and my paradigm dealer recommended the PW over the seismic sub for music.As well as a budget, what is the size of your room...

The suggestions for the Ultra13 which is ported, for music would be excellent choice, the measurements of that sub equals what any sealed sub will produce, in fact it measured the same or better for distortion then the top running JL Audio F113.

I am possibly looking for a new sub for my bedroom setup, and if it wasn't for size concerns, I would be all over the Ultra13 without blinking an eye.

As it sits right now, the SVS Ultra13 is probably the best sub available for sheer output and sound quality in the commercial market - period. For the price it is almost impossible to beat, until you get into the DIY area..

Hi,
Does anyone know whether there is an after market wall mount bracket for the ADP1? I really don't care for the one that comes standard with the ADP1. From what I understand Paradigm doesn't make one.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

Hi,
Does anyone know whether there is an after market wall mount bracket for the ADP1? I really don't care for the one that comes standard with the ADP1. From what I understand Paradigm doesn't make one.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

If you don't find something that works and want to sell your ADP1s, let me know. ;)

Hi,
I've mounted many things on my walls (plasma TV, speakers, etc.) but I was real frustrated with the mounts that came with the ADP1. I just picked them up 2 days ago and intended to wall mount them today. What a pain.

I am all set to return them tomorrow unless I can find a better mount. The dealer is closed today due to Easter.

I'm surfing the web now to look for a mount.
Steve
PS: PM me if you're interested in buying. Thats if I decide to sell if my frustration level get too high.:)

I understand that the monitor line and the studio line have different drivers. Despite this, would the Studio 20's and the cc290 from the Monitor line be more of a timber match than 2 speakers from completely different manufacturers.

According to Paradigm's website all of their speakers are timbre matched to a certain degree and, of course, the ones within the same series are matched further.

Anyway, last week I listed to Studio 100s and the cc290 and thought they blended quite well. I think you would be fine to keep your cc290 and upgrade to the Studios. However, everyone's ear is different. ;) I'd recommend seeing if your Paradigm dealer would let you take your current center channel in to list listen with the Studios. That's what I did and it made me feel so much more comfortable with buying the Studios (100s in my case). I'll upgrade the center speaker down the road if I get the itch.

I have a system coming and the big question is what to do with the surrounds. Will initially run 5.1 (may expand to 7.1). Pics of the left and right wall are shown taken from the main listening position, both are a distance of 9'. The only challenge on the left is the window treatment and the fact that the rear wall is 15' back so reflection will be minimal. The right "wall" is 42"H. Both couches top off at 38", so the goal would be to get above them. Looks like I have two options:

Wall Mount:
Left is straightforward. For the right, I could have someone build a bookshelf/key holder that sits on the bannister with the back to the LR. That could be the mount location. Downside is wall drilling (L) and drilling into the bannister (R), which would cost quite a bit if I ever want to remove. Also not sue how this would look (e.g., black on white, etc.). And would it be too loud for anyone sitting on the side loveseat.

Stands:
Would like to get adjustable but don't seem to be many options that hold 20 lbs. And the right stand has to be high enough to get over the couch but the speaker will stick up over the bannister and not look as clean. And of course there are the countless comments on this forum that "standing" these type of speakers is punishable by 8 hours of Chinese water torture while watching a repeat feed of the Square Pegs pilot episode. Is the low end loss that noticeable? And finally, I don't have the bolt pattern for the surround and don't know if that is important. Here are two I found:
http://www.standsandmounts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4281
http://www.standsandmounts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1020

We all have opinions and I would appreciate yours. Figure out a way to wall mount, use a stand listed above or alternate, or does anyone have a better idea? If you suggest or have used a stand with the ADP-590, what size mounting bracket do I need or does it not matter?

I've been wanting to purchase some tower speakers in the Monitor series. My local store that I demoed them at only had the monitor 7 and 11s. I pretty much decided that I did not want the monitor 7s. I wanted to demo the 9s along side the 11s, but they did not have any.

I have an ed a3-300 sub coming, and was wondering if I really needed the monitor 11s or if I should just get the 9s and save some money? Is there a big difference between the two speakers?

my paradigm dealer recommended the PW over the seismic sub for music

This is really interesting to me. I had the 2200 for years. Then got an amazing deal on a V.1 Servo15 and sold the 2200 to my neighbor. The 15 is much more musical. My neighbor found a killer deal on a Seismic 12 and bought it. It hits tighter and to both of us, (he's not that picky), more musical. My buddy who also owns a 2200, demoed a Seismic12 in his house and was very impressed. It's just tighter and sounds more effortless. It's really surprises me that your dealer would say that. I also have put in a Seismic 10 and an Ultra Cube in friends systems and for their size, they are amazing IMHO.
You might wanna check out this review of the new Sunfire sub here...
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/sunfire-hrs-12-subwoofer

Herrzuba, in your second pic, as you face the couch, what is to the right? End table, carpet, then.....

Herrzuba, in your second pic, as you face the couch, what is to the right? End table, carpet, then.....

Hallway then kitchen. This diagram should help, it is more or less to scale. The DR is directly behind the LR where the HT is. It is one big, open room.

Update. My stuff is at the store and will be delivered tomorrow. Talked them in to holding the ADP-590s until I decide. I have two old Titans that I can try as surrounds for now. Problem is I can't A/B them with the 590s. Wifey has decided against wall mounting, so the decision is to stand mount the S20s or 590s. Opinions would be appreciated.

Well, since adps' work by reflecting off of walls and surfaces, it would probably be better to go with the 20's.

I currently have paradigm mini monitor v5 fronts, and the 290 center. I'm considering upgrading to studio 20 for the fronts, but I'd have wait awhile before I could afford the correct center for the Studio 20's.

I understand that the monitor line and the studio line have different drivers. Despite this, would the Studio 20's and the cc290 from the Monitor line be more of a timber match than 2 speakers from completely different manufacturers.

Droid56,

That's exactly the upgrade path I followed (mini monitors --> studio 20s followed by an upgrade from the cc-370 --> cc-470). I've certainly never regretted it.
While the monitor series center will not be a perfect match for the studio 20s, they are voiced quite similarly. If you've listened to a lot of paradigm speakers, you will recognize that they all share the "house sound" to a large degree. I was never very distracted by the slight mismatch between my studio 20s and my cc-370. Of course, I couldn't wait to upgrade to the Studio series center, and when I did, it made a huge huge difference. The 470 is just much more authoritative than the 370 was, and male voices in particular strike me as much more accurate. It also has a superior tweeter and the level of detail was definitely improved.
With that said, I'm a big fan of incremental improvements, moving upstream one piece at a time. Upgrade to the 20s and start saving your pennies for a studio center!!

Well I'm finally going to pull the plug and order Paradigms after much searching and getting derailed by other speaker lines I really wasn't interested in.

My conflict is the Studio Series vs the Signature series. Back in December I was all set on the Studio 100s, cc690, adp590. Now it seems that I've come full circle and I'm right back where I started.

I love the Signature Series and if I go that direction, I would definitely get the S8 and C5. Due to finances the S8 & C5 would be the only Signature speakers I could buy at the moment. I would have to wait a 3-4 months before completing my system.

If I went with the Studio Series, I could get an entire home theater system (S100, cc690, adp590 and even the S20's for rear surrounds and even a couple of subs - not Paradigm) for thousands less than just the S8 and C5.

Since my use for these speakers is about 85-90% home theater, can any of you who have listened and compared both justify the additional expense for going up to the Signature S8/C5?

Just need to bounce this off of some of my fellow Paradigm lovers. Thanks!

Well I'm finally going to pull the plug and order Paradigms after much searching and getting derailed by other speaker lines I really wasn't interested in.

My conflict is the Studio Series vs the Signature series. Back in December I was all set on the Studio 100s, cc690, adp590. Now it seems that I've come full circle and I'm right back where I started.

I love the Signature Series and if I go that direction, I would definitely get the S8 and C5. Due to finances the S8 & C5 would be the only Signature speakers I could buy at the moment. I would have to wait a 3-4 months before completing my system.

If I went with the Studio Series, I could get an entire home theater system (S100, cc690, adp590 and even the S20's for rear surrounds and even a couple of subs - not Paradigm) for thousands less than just the S8 and C5.

Since my use for these speakers is about 85-90% home theater, can any of you who have listened and compared both justify the additional expense for going up to the Signature S8/C5?

Just need to bounce this off of some of my fellow Paradigm lovers. Thanks!
The sigs are great but so are the studios the difference is not night and day
but the sigs are a little better i just feel they are not a couple of thousand
better.

Well I'm finally going to pull the plug and order Paradigms after much searching and getting derailed by other speaker lines I really wasn't interested in.

My conflict is the Studio Series vs the Signature series. Back in December I was all set on the Studio 100s, cc690, adp590. Now it seems that I've come full circle and I'm right back where I started.

I love the Signature Series and if I go that direction, I would definitely get the S8 and C5. Due to finances the S8 & C5 would be the only Signature speakers I could buy at the moment. I would have to wait a 3-4 months before completing my system.

If I went with the Studio Series, I could get an entire home theater system (S100, cc690, adp590 and even the S20's for rear surrounds and even a couple of subs - not Paradigm) for thousands less than just the S8 and C5.

Since my use for these speakers is about 85-90% home theater, can any of you who have listened and compared both justify the additional expense for going up to the Signature S8/C5?

Just need to bounce this off of some of my fellow Paradigm lovers. Thanks!

You have to go listen for yourself to determine if the differences are worth it to you.

For me, the differences were dramatic, and although the price was almost double, it's worth it to me for the shift from "really good speakers" (the Studios) to "amazing speakers that simply disappear into the sound" (the Sigs).

But we all have different ears, and will hear things very differently.

....Since my use for these speakers is about 85-90% home theater, can any of you who have listened and compared both justify the additional expense for going up to the Signature S8/C5?

Just need to bounce this off of some of my fellow Paradigm lovers. Thanks!

As others have said, only you can decide if the difference in sound quality is worth it, but I'm sure that I don't have to point out that the build quality of the Signature cabinetry almost justifies the extra cost alone. No knock on Studio owners, but it's like going from Ikea grade furniture to Ethan Allen. :rolleyes:

I played the middle ground and purchased a mint set of signatures s8 version 1, couldnt justify new version 2 cost but after listening to studio vs signatures I definately knew it was the signatures s8 or nothing at all, I was also fortunate enough to get the rare rosewood finish, like others have said its up to you to decide however build quality,fit and finish are top notch in the s8

Well I'm finally going to pull the plug and order Paradigms after much searching and getting derailed by other speaker lines I really wasn't interested in.

My conflict is the Studio Series vs the Signature series. Back in December I was all set on the Studio 100s, cc690, adp590. Now it seems that I've come full circle and I'm right back where I started.

I love the Signature Series and if I go that direction, I would definitely get the S8 and C5. Due to finances the S8 & C5 would be the only Signature speakers I could buy at the moment. I would have to wait a 3-4 months before completing my system.

If I went with the Studio Series, I could get an entire home theater system (S100, cc690, adp590 and even the S20's for rear surrounds and even a couple of subs - not Paradigm) for thousands less than just the S8 and C5.

Since my use for these speakers is about 85-90% home theater, can any of you who have listened and compared both justify the additional expense for going up to the Signature S8/C5?

Just need to bounce this off of some of my fellow Paradigm lovers. Thanks!
Hi Jimmy, I've only listened to the studio 100's and cc590 center (loved them :o) so cant make direct comparison between those and the sigs.

Looking at your dilemma from another angle, if you bought the studio's now would you be tempted to upgrade to the sigs in the foreseeable future?
I often read advice where people are advised to buy their audio gear as they can afford it in order to end up with a better product.If you really like the sigs that much it may be the way to go?
:)

I'm still waiting for my S6's (supposed to be delivered today, but not looking good).

In the meantime, listening to my other Sigs, I think one of my S2's is bad. Every once in a while the sound is kind of crackly coming out of it, and when running test sound through it, it sounds extremely static-y (compared to the other S2). I guess I'm surprised that 1 in 5 speakers of this caliber would be bad?

So, bad S2, or something else?

I played the middle ground and purchased a mint set of signatures s8 version 1, couldnt justify new version 2 cost but after listening to studio vs signatures I definately knew it was the signatures s8 or nothing at all, I was also fortunate enough to get the rare rosewood finish, like others have said its up to you to decide however build quality,fit and finish are top notch in the s8

Hey funlvr1965, did you just snatch those speakers up off audiogon...?
Those were extremely beautiful..... I got a line of a C5 rosewood, brand new unopened if your interested... you can pm me...

I was watching those, I have the S4's and C3 in rosewood... amazing...

Your not too far from me... I'm just north of Milwaukee about 15 mins...

I'm still waiting for my S6's (supposed to be delivered today, but not looking good).

In the meantime, listening to my other Sigs, I think one of my S2's is bad. Every once in a while the sound is kind of crackly coming out of it, and when running test sound through it, it sounds extremely static-y (compared to the other S2). I guess I'm surprised that 1 in 5 speakers of this caliber would be bad?

So, bad S2, or something else?


The test tones are where your gunna notice if you have a bad speaker....

I just had that same issue with a set of ADP-590's I bought, when I ran test tones through all the speakers, they were fine, but when I got to that particular speaker, it was like you say, static-y... Its probably a bad tweeter...

Warpdrv... pm sent

Hi - I have a pair of Monitor 9v5 speakers and was wondering what people's experiences are with listening at low volumes. With low volume, I mean significantly below the volume of real, acoustic instruments. How low can you go without losing detail? I am aware of the fact that this is very subjective, and that a good amplifier is probably required at low volumes. That's why I am asking, because I am looking for a new amplifier that performs well at low volumes. I am also aware of the fact that proper room treatment is necessary. What type of room treatment would be suitable?

Thanks so much. Best - MM

There is no such thing as an amplifier that performs well at low volumes...reducing volume leads to a bass-shy sound with less detail. It is simple physics and no way around it. Paradigms are laid back in the midrange and simply require more volume than more aggressive speakers to sound involving.

There is no such thing as an amplifier that performs well at low volumes...reducing volume leads to a bass-shy sound with less detail. It is simple physics and no way around it. Paradigms are laid back in the midrange and simply require more volume than more aggressive speakers to sound involving.

You're not going to point out that the Monitors could go back & replaced with headphones? :)

cooksta:

I think if I bought the Studio line, I would always wonder or worry about the "buyer's remorse" for not having gone up to the Signatures. Let me just say this - I'm sure I could be very happy with the 100's, cc690 but after seeing the S8's and C5, that's the cream of the crop.

As far as affordability, I could easily get ALL of the Studio speakers I need in one shot, whereas, I'd only be able to get the S8 and C5 now and that's stretching it beyond my budget and comfort zone especially in this economy.

I'm still waiting for my S6's (supposed to be delivered today, but not looking good).

In the meantime, listening to my other Sigs, I think one of my S2's is bad. Every once in a while the sound is kind of crackly coming out of it, and when running test sound through it, it sounds extremely static-y (compared to the other S2). I guess I'm surprised that 1 in 5 speakers of this caliber would be bad?

So, bad S2, or something else?

To troubleshoot, switch the connections from another amp channel to that speaker. If the problem stays in that speaker, the problem is with the speaker. If the problem goes away, it is a problem with the amp channel.

To troubleshoot, switch the connections from another amp channel to that speaker. If the problem stays in that speaker, the problem is with the speaker. If the problem goes away, it is a problem with the amp channel.

I did. I actually switched amps (from the 905 to the P5).

Next switch the speakers if it follows it's in the speaker. If not, could be a wiring issue.

Next switch the speakers if it follows it's in the speaker. If not, could be a wiring issue.

I did... I'm know how to do simple diagnostics, thanks though.

Now I'm ticked off...

Another two weeks, and my S6's are nowhere to be found. Paradigm is apparently ignoring my dealer, and no one knows where these things are. I called Paradigm myself 2 hours ago (figuring they might care a little more about a customer calling), and they said they would call me back right away, and I've heard nothing.

And one of my S2's is bad, and my dealer said we have to file a claim with Paradigm, which will take who knows how long.

I'm about ready to send all this stuff back and go with the B&W's. I'm really getting frustrated.

There is no such thing as an amplifier that performs well at low volumes...reducing volume leads to a bass-shy sound with less detail. It is simple physics and no way around it. Paradigms are laid back in the midrange and simply require more volume than more aggressive speakers to sound involving.

Thanks for the input. Your first two statements are probably bound to create some uproar. Class-A amplifiers are said to perform better at lower volumes than some other designs (less distortion). Also, "First Watters" will be quite offended ;) Regarding bass-shyness, some amplifiers can compensate for the different Equal Loudness Contours at various SPLs.

In any case, your last statement is what I am mostly interested in, and I wonder if others have the same impression.

Thanks again. Best - MM

Now I'm ticked off...

Another two weeks, and my S6's are nowhere to be found. Paradigm is apparently ignoring my dealer, and no one knows where these things are. I called Paradigm myself 2 hours ago (figuring they might care a little more about a customer calling), and they said they would call me back right away, and I've heard nothing.

And one of my S2's is bad, and my dealer said we have to file a claim with Paradigm, which will take who knows how long.

I'm about ready to send all this stuff back and go with the B&W's. I'm really getting frustrated.

Just please don't start a "Paradigm Really Irritates Me" Thread. ;)

Thanks for the input. Your first two statements are probably bound to create some uproar. Class-A amplifiers are said to perform better at lower volumes than some other designs (less distortion). Also, "First Watters" will be quite offended ;) Regarding bass-shyness, some amplifiers can compensate for the different Equal Loudness Contours at various SPLs.

In any case, your last statement is what I am mostly interested in, and I wonder if others have the same impression.

Thanks again. Best - MM

In all kindness, I think you're misinterpreting what you've read in your thread in the 2 Channel forum. I really think you're being told that you're on the wrong bunny trail as far as an amp that is geared for low-volume listening.

In other words, if your problem centers on low-volume listening, you might want to investigate solutions other than an amp. I wasn't kidding about the headphones.

In all kindness, I think you're misinterpreting what you've read in your thread in the 2 Channel forum. I really think you're being told that you're on the wrong bunny trail as far as an amp that is geared for low-volume listening.

What I could take away is that room treatment is most likely the biggest issue, which I fully accept (who wouldn't). Besides that, I am still convinced that there are amps that are better suited for low-volume listening than others, and my quest at this point is to figure out whether it makes sense for my situation to go after such amps or to focus solely on room treatment.

In other words, if your problem centers on low-volume listening, you might want to investigate solutions other than an amp. I wasn't kidding about the headphones.

I'm sure you were not. It's a valid suggestion, but I do want to preserve the possibility to go to higher volumes. Also, I am not too fond of the sound from headphones as opposed to sound that fills the room. Besides, I am not the only one who will be listening to music (or watch movies) at the same time. It does look a bit silly when several people are wearing headphones. :)

Thanks for the input. You mean well, and I am probably just stubborn, misinformed, or shooting for something that is very difficult to achieve.

Best - MM

I wasn't kidding about the headphones but I was kidding about get rid of the Monitors. :D

Regardless, best wishes in your search.

cooksta:

I think if I bought the Studio line, I would always wonder or worry about the "buyer's remorse" for not having gone up to the Signatures. Let me just say this - I'm sure I could be very happy with the 100's, cc690 but after seeing the S8's and C5, that's the cream of the crop.

As far as affordability, I could easily get ALL of the Studio speakers I need in one shot, whereas, I'd only be able to get the S8 and C5 now and that's stretching it beyond my budget and comfort zone especially in this economy.

I guess thats 1 of the pitfalls of upgrading, listening to gear thats above our budget level.:rolleyes:

In my own speaker search i have kept a shortlist of those that I am interested in.The studio 100's and cc590 were a revelation to me, detail and especially the imaging the likes of which I had never heard before.

The studio 100's are at my budget limit though and I am considering the studio 60; (running with sub); with money saved put into the cc690 center over the 590.The 100's are priced quite a bit more than the 60's over here.

Has anyone directly compared the 2 centers? my dealer does not have stock of the 690 so I would be unable to hear before purchase.

Cheers cooksta

Thanks for the input. Your first two statements are probably bound to create some uproar. Class-A amplifiers are said to perform better at lower volumes than some other designs (less distortion). Also, "First Watters" will be quite offended ;) Regarding bass-shyness, some amplifiers can compensate for the different Equal Loudness Contours at various SPLs.

In any case, your last statement is what I am mostly interested in, and I wonder if others have the same impression.



What I could take away is that room treatment is most likely the biggest issue, which I fully accept (who wouldn't). Besides that, I am still convinced that there are amps that are better suited for low-volume listening than others, and my quest at this point is to figure out whether it makes sense for my situation to go after such amps or to focus solely on room treatment.



Slightly lower distortion figures during that first watt have ZERO to do with your problem. The problem is that Paradigms have (and have always had) a slightly recessed midrange. Listening to them at low volumes will result in less "liveliness" or "detail" or whatever you want to call it, than with speakers without a recessed midrange.

Personally, there are times when I wish my Paradigms were more forward but then I'm glad they aren't when listening at louder levels. Perhaps the Paradigm house sound just isn't for you.

What kind of cables do you guys use with Studio 100 and CC690?
Thanks

What kind of cables do you guys use with Studio 100 and CC690?
Thanks

You didn't buy the matching cables? :eek:

You didn't buy the matching cables? :eek:

Matching cables?:) Not really, I use my old cables from MAgnepan, but I think it's time to replace them - kids just demaged one :(

What kind of cables do you guys use with Studio 100 and CC690?
Thanks
Bluejeans-Belden 10awg 100ft.

Bluejeans-Belden 10awg 100ft.

Thanks oztech, I was looking the same cable :)

Has anyone directly compared the 2 centers? my dealer does not have stock of the 690 so I would be unable to hear before purchase.


I've had the CC-200, CC-370, CC-470, the 590, and now the 690. My favorite out of all of them? The 370. The 470 was the worst. Muddy and not clear in my room. The 590 was much better. The 690 is probably overkill in my room and system, and I mainly got it with plans of moving into a bigger house. I think it just ads a little more low end over the 590 but the mids and highs are about the same. If you are using it in a bigger room, I think you'll be fine. Sometimes I think the lower end of it muddies up the mid-range because my room is too small for it? If that makes any sense.
I did put a 590 in a pretty big room 25x20 with 15 foot ceilings and it did fine. (the 690 wasn't out then). The only thing that sucked was the Rotel 1095 we had driving it and the 100's, kept clipping and shutting down. What was weird is that when drove everything with a Pio Elite vsx74 receiver that we used as the pre-pro, it handled everything fine and sounded almost as good!
Ok so that is more info than you asked for, but I couldn't stop my hands as I was busy doing something else....

I've been wanting to purchase some tower speakers in the Monitor series. My local store that I demoed them at only had the monitor 7 and 11s. I pretty much decided that I did not want the monitor 7s. I wanted to demo the 9s along side the 11s, but they did not have any.

I have an ed a3-300 sub coming, and was wondering if I really needed the monitor 11s or if I should just get the 9s and save some money? Is there a big difference between the two speakers?

I have Monitor 9s and demoed nearly the entire line and love there sound. If you have a sub to put with them, they will give you all you need. I am very happy with my purchase.:)

I currently have a pair of studio 60 v2 speakers and thinking about upgrading to studio 100 v2s. are studio 100 worthy upgrade over studio 60 or should I spend that money to buy more recent version of studio 60s, like v3 or v4? I wish I can do studio 100 v4 but they are out of my reach.

I currently have a pair of studio 60 v2 speakers and thinking about upgrading to studio 100 v2s. are studio 100 worthy upgrade over studio 60 or should I spend that money to buy more recent version of studio 60s, like v3 or v4? I wish I can do studio 100 v4 but they are out of my reach.

IMHO, 100's would be an uprade over the 60's in the same version. V.2 might be hard to find in good shape as they are several years old by now. If you wanted to stay with 60's but get a newer version, then skip V.3 and go directly to V.4 (and do not collect $200.00).
V.2 to V.4 would give you better, cleaner, mids and highs.

IMHO, 100's would be an uprade over the 60's in the same version. V.2 might be hard to find in good shape as they are several years old by now. If you wanted to stay with 60's but get a newer version, then skip V.3 and go directly to V.4 (and do not collect $200.00).
V.2 to V.4 would give you better, cleaner, mids and highs.
With the advice/help of Maximum7 I upgraded from Monitor 11 v5 to 100 v4. You will not be disapointed. Spend a little more now, and avoid the inevitable upgrade bug later. BTW I have a New (1 hour use) Studio 20 v4 if anyone is interested. PM me.

Hey all,

I am looking for some advice and feedback on taking my current 5.1 setup to 7.1. I am currently running the following:

CC-370
Monitor 7v4's
Mini-Monitors
Klipsch Synergy Sub-12"
Denon AVR 2807
KDS-R70XBR2 70" SXRD

I was looking into ADP's to act as surround Left/Right channels. I am quite pleased with my center and fronts however the 7's and the CC-370 seem to be the red-headed step children of the Paradigm family as read in recent posts (any reason why?). I would eventually like to upgrade the fronts to 9's or 11's but baby steps for now. I am also looking into acquiring a SVS 20-39 PC-Plus sub and replacing the Klipsch. I use my system for 35% Music and 65% Movies and Gaming. Would the addition of the ADP's give me a quality 7.1 setup or are their improvements to be made elsewhere before looking into the 7.1?

Thanks

I am quite pleased with my center and fronts however the 7's and the CC-370 seem to be the red-headed step children of the Paradigm family as read in recent posts (any reason why?).

I couldn't dis-agree more with that finding. The V.4 7's are very good and when compared to V.5 11's, they are as open in the mids and smoother in the highs. The 11's are more efficient, more bass, 9non-issue with a sub), and can fill a bigger room. Paradigm didn't do us any favors with the V.5 tweeter in the Monitor line...

You have a fine set-up. If you have the "walls" and space for the Adp's to work properly, 7.1 might help some as far as filling a room, but my personal opinion is up-grade the sub, and maybe the receiver or (add an amp).

Thanks Maximum I knew the 7's were for me when I sampled themat the price point and I thought it was the best bang for the buck. I am interested in hearing your suggestions for Sub upgrades, I am ok with my receiver I would much rather sink funds into an amp, surrounds, and Sub. I am just wondering if ADP's are too much or can I go with a smaller speaker, atoms maybe??? 20X20 living room, but acoustics carry as I have laminate flooring. Also are you familiar with SVS' subwoofer lines, I am weary to pull the trigger and purchase one only because you buy direct online, I think they provide for an in-home trial. And thanks for the compliment, small fish in a big pond but one day I'll be listening to Paradigm Reference I love these speakers!!!!

If Bluejean cables are good for the Studio's, would they be good for the Signatures as well? Are we talking interconnects or speaker cables?

If Bluejean cables are good for the Studio's, would they be good for the Signatures as well? Are we talking interconnects or speaker cables?

I'd go monoprice, personally. Just get a large-gauge wire (14 or better), and you'll be fine. I wouldn't overpay for bluejeans, for speakerwire.

If Bluejean cables are good for the Studio's, would they be good for the Signatures as well? Are we talking interconnects or speaker cables?

Most likely so. Any cable of this quality will be more than adequate, as long as you don't coil them up or run cheap power cords in parallel to the speaker cables. And don't use coat hangers to connect your speakers ;)

Regarding price, I don't think there is anything wrong with choosing BlueJeans over MonoPrice or other vendors. Cosmetics is a valid aspect, and if cables with grey or blue or red sheaths fit better to your design then go for it. I personally hate the look of wire. In terms of sonic quality, there will be no difference. But see my next post...

Best - MM

When I purchased my Paradigm speakers recently, then vendor advised me to connect the black wire from my amp to the black post of one pair of posts on my speakers and the red wire to the red post of the other pair of posts. He told me of a blind test at Linn that he attended where they found that the sound quality was improved compared to when the cables were connected to one pair only.

I mentioned this to a friend of mine who has a more discerning ear than I do. He confirmed this impression, and he also said that the sound quality was better compared to bi-wiring, which he had done so far.

The explanation is that this connection scheme apparently evens out the signal better. One could also connect the cables directly to the middle of the bridges between the speaker posts with the same effect.

I'm sure such a connection scheme has been discussed on this forum somewhere, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Give it a try. You may save the costs of a set of cables (if you are bi-wiring).

Best - MM

When I purchased my Paradigm speakers recently, then vendor advised me to connect the black wire from my amp to the black post of one pair of posts on my speakers and the red wire to the red post of the other pair of posts. He told me of a blind test at Linn that he attended where they found that the sound quality was improved compared to when the cables were connected to one pair only.

I mentioned this to a friend of mine who has a more discerning ear than I do. He confirmed this impression, and he also said that the sound quality was better compared to bi-wiring, which he had done so far.

The explanation is that this connection scheme apparently evens out the signal better. One could also connect the cables directly to the middle of the bridges between the speaker posts with the same effect.

I'm sure such a connection scheme has been discussed on this forum somewhere, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. Give it a try. You may save the costs of a set of cables (if you are bi-wiring).

Best - MM
If that were true a circuit board would be inefficient on everything a solid
connection on the same circuit is a connection.

If that were true a circuit board would be inefficient on everything a solid
connection on the same circuit is a connection.

Yeah, I am thinking similar things, but the fact that engineers at Linn are promoting such a connection scheme should probably not be dismissed lightly.

Best - MM

Yeah, I am thinking similar things, but the fact that engineers at Linn are promoting such a connection scheme should probably not be dismissed lightly.

Best - MM

If in fact this had merit you would see it change a lot of connections overnight.

I am just wondering if ADP's are too much or can I go with a smaller speaker, atoms maybe??? 20X20 living room, but acoustics carry as I have laminate flooring. Also are you familiar with SVS' subwoofer lines,

I don't think they'd be too much. Remember, adp's work by reflecting their sound off of walls. I have heard them placed on a back wall as well as the side walls and they do a great job filling in either position. Maybe see if you can demo a pair from your dealer, bring a ladder or two in your room and move them around in various spots by themselves, then try them on the side wall with your mini's (excellent spkr. btw) on the back wall. Paradigms webiste has a chart on placement advice me thinks....
Think of them being like when you spray water out of a garden hose. Fired into the air it's not very loud with the water going through the air, but shoot the water against something or angled off the side of your house and then you can hear it. Kinda stupid analogy, but you get the point. Picture that when you place them...



Even though I'm sure they make an excellent, fantastic product, I am in no way a fan of SVS. Others here are and can advise you re: which would be a good fit for you.

Good luck.

Even though I'm sure they make an excellent, fantastic product, I am in no way a fan of SVS. Others here are and can advise you re: which would be a good fit for you.

Good luck.

You're definitely in the minority. Do you have one? Have you heard one in a setup compared to something you are a "fan" of?

I have a PB13 Ultra, and it's simply amazing. True, full bass, and chest-pounding if you want it. Check out the "cragsub" list for a good place to start. Amazing for both music and HT (although if you are primarily music, the F113 is slightly better, at double the price; it's slightly worse at HT though, and it's sealed).

The PB13 Ultra is big, but other than that you should have no qualms about ordering it even if you haven't heard it. You will be thrilled.

If in fact this had merit you would see it change a lot of connections overnight.

I guess it has as much merit as bi-wiring, whatever the merit is in that case, with the added benefit of not having a second wire.

Even though I'm sure they make an excellent, fantastic product, I am in no way a fan of SVS. Others here are and can advise you re: which would be a good fit for you.
Good luck.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion.... Just curious as to why you aren't a big fan of SVS subs Maximum7..... totally not badgering you here...

I am just putting up one of my 4 SVS subs for sale, If anyone is interested..
PB12-Plus (piano black). It was replaced with a Fathom F112 for space reasons.

PM me if interested...

I guess it has as much merit as bi-wiring, whatever the merit is in that case, with the added benefit of not having a second wire.

Bi-wiring at least is doubling the gauge going to the speaker, sort of, which in theory could have a smidgen of merit if you are using cheaper-gauge wire.

Cross connecting like this makes absolutely no sense, unless electricity traveling over a 1-inch piece of copper causes enough delay and signal loss that it's noticable?

I'm shocked this is being given any credence at all. At least bi-wiring and passive bi-amping makes a tiny bit of rational sense, even if they have almost no practical benefits. Crossing the connects make zero sense.

And just because the guy said "research proved this", doesn't mean it's true. Show me a link to some true research and perhaps we will think differently.

If my dealer said "turning the speakers so they face as close to north has been proved to have a positive impact due to the earths magnetic field. Blind studies at Linn have proven this to be true over and over." Would anyone believe it?

Please...

Bi-wiring at least is doubling the gauge going to the speaker, sort of, which in theory could have a smidgen of merit if you are using cheaper-gauge wire.

I am not sure if that is the idea of bi-wiring. If that were the case, one could simply use thicker cable. The idea is that one is connecting all the posts not just a single pair. However, having two wires also means twice the noise. That's the idea of having a single wire and crossing the connects or attaching to the connects directly. That keeps the noise the same while hitting all the posts.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am the first one to deny any sonic benefits of non-standard wiring schemes, at least in my system. However, I do find it remarkable that my vendor, as well as Linn, would recommend such a scheme, while brushing aside any kind of high-price cable and bi-wiring as nonsense.

Best - MM

I am not sure if that is the idea of bi-wiring. If that were the case, one could simply use thicker cable. The idea is that one is connecting all the posts not just a single pair. However, having two wires also means twice the noise. That's the idea of having a single wire and crossing the connects or attaching to the connects directly. That keeps the noise the same while hitting all the posts.

Now, don't get me wrong, I am the first one to deny any sonic benefits of non-standard wiring schemes, at least in my system. However, I do find it remarkable that my vendor, as well as Linn, would recommend such a scheme, while brushing aside any kind of high-price cable and bi-wiring as nonsense.

Best - MM

Do you have any proof Linn (whoever they are) actually is recommending this? Other than your dealer saying so?

I think this is all hogwash... But I'll test it myself when my S6's finally arrive and post results.

Do you have any proof Linn (whoever they are) actually is recommending this? Other than your dealer saying so?

I think this is all hogwash... But I'll test it myself when my S6's finally arrive and post results.

I'd be happy to forward you the email address of my vendor if you'd like. Best - MM

Hey all,

Visited Best Buy to pick up some DVD's and looked at new TV's and I saw a product that wirelessly connects rears to the receiver for sound. Rocketfish had a list of $99.00.
My setup now has unsightly speaker wire running under this rubber stripping (designed for computer cables I am sure) held down by a sticky adhesive.

I was hoping somebody had Paradigm rears connected with Rocketfish, or some other wireless setup.

Does this allow for enough power for the rears to produce efficiently?
Is 10% THD too much distortion for rears?
Any reported delays running this setup?


Thanks for Help

Current setup

CC-370
Monitor 7.4s
Mini-Monitors
Klipsch Synergy-12"

"BUY Wire" is what you'll be doing.... Bi-Amping is different, but I wouldn't put a whole lot of merit into "BUY Wiring"... JMO... but who am I...

Hey all,

Visited Best Buy to pick up some DVD's and looked at new TV's and I saw a product that wirelessly connects rears to the receiver for sound. Rocketfish had a list of $99.00.
My setup now has unsightly speaker wire running under this rubber stripping (designed for computer cables I am sure) held down by a sticky adhesive.

I was hoping somebody had Paradigm rears connected with Rocketfish, or some other wireless setup.

Does this allow for enough power for the rears to produce efficiently?
Is 10% THD too much distortion for rears?
Any reported delays running this setup?


Thanks for Help

Current setup

CC-370
Monitor 7.4s
Mini-Monitors
Klipsch Synergy-12"

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/lifestyle-desktop-and-portable/rocketfish-wireless-rear-speaker-kit
Rocket fish review

Well I'm finally going to pull the plug and order Paradigms after much searching and getting derailed by other speaker lines I really wasn't interested in.

My conflict is the Studio Series vs the Signature series. Back in December I was all set on the Studio 100s, cc690, adp590. Now it seems that I've come full circle and I'm right back where I started.

I love the Signature Series and if I go that direction, I would definitely get the S8 and C5. Due to finances the S8 & C5 would be the only Signature speakers I could buy at the moment. I would have to wait a 3-4 months before completing my system.

If I went with the Studio Series, I could get an entire home theater system (S100, cc690, adp590 and even the S20's for rear surrounds and even a couple of subs - not Paradigm) for thousands less than just the S8 and C5.

Since my use for these speakers is about 85-90% home theater, can any of you who have listened and compared both justify the additional expense for going up to the Signature S8/C5?

Just need to bounce this off of some of my fellow Paradigm lovers. Thanks!

Just my 2 cents:

I've had my S8 v.1 and C3 for a little over a year now. I bought a set of demos and listened to lots of speakers including the Studio 100 v.4. The deciding factor for me was listening to the opening of the movie Diva - the studios were good - but the S8 gave me goose bumps:D I didn't go for the larger C5 due to both space and budget - but the C3 does a fabulous job for me. I run the S8 mains with an Adcom 555 and everything else with the NAD T763. Also use a Sunfire EQ sub. The Studios are good - but to me the S8 was worth the money - I haven't been sorry and no longer give my speakers another thought - except to occasionally marvel at how wonderful they sound.

Ken

except to occasionally marvel at how wonderful they sound.

Ken

Don't forget, how Stunning they are to look at......

Anyone have any thoughts on how good the Paradigm Millenia 200 for fronts and the Millenia 20 for the center speaker. I don't have a chance to hear them before buying, want to know how good this system is.

Hey guys, I need some help. I am living in an apartment right now and my media room is small. I am getting married within the next 2 years so until then I can't look forward to anything bigger in terms of the room (wifey and I will get our own place). I am looking at Paradigm's speaker line and am trying to find what suits me well now and can be used in the future. I've limited it down to a pair bookshelfs that will be changed to rears later, a center channel and a sub so this would be a 3.1. I can use my current iffy speakers for rears if need be to avoid unnecessary buys. I am stepping away from towers since I think it's overkill for now but want them for later. All powered off of an Onkyo 605. The room is dimensioned roughly 8' x 12' and the TV is on the 12' wall centered in the room. Viewing distance is roughly 6'. Am I taking the right approach? I might hold off on the sub for the time being since I'm not sure a small one now would suffice later. I even contemplated on Paradigm's HT 5.1 speaker setup but not sure how well packed it is for now and future use.

BTW I had an old HTIB that was boxed up and given to my younger sis (she loves it) but it never appealed to me. I got it cheap so I knew what I was expecting. My other passions in life held me back from going all out but the 1 thing that was the hurdle was how am I doing this with a small room and I think this approach is best

Let me know :cool:

Not that anyone cares, but it makes me feel better to post...

I still have 6 of my 8 speakers in place, and I'm still waiting for my S6's FR/FL.

They were giving my dealer the runaround, so finally I called Paradigm in Canada, and the following ensued:

- 2pm, Talked to secretary, explained my situation and that I just want to know where my speakers are, and they were promised to come in for the last week or so. She seemed genuinely concerned, looked everything up, said it looked like they were backordered, and then said she would find the right person to call me back.

- 90 minutes later, no call back, so I called back, and got a different secretary, who went through the same motions, saw the same thing, and said I needed to speak to "Gary". She put me on hold, came back and said Gary would call me back shortly.

- 90 minutes later (it was getting close to closing time), no call back, so I called back, talked to secretary #2 again who seemed surprised Gary didn't call me back, said she would put me on hold until Gary picked up.

- 35 minutes later, Gary picked up, and couldn't have been more rude. "I can't tell you anything, only the dealer." I explained I just wanted to know when they were coming in, and apparently my dealer has been unable to get any information from Paradigm. "I can't tell you anything, only your dealer.". Okay, but it doesn't appear he's being told anything either. "I can't tell you anything, only your dealer." Okay, will you call him right now and tell him what's going on? "Sure." Okay, his name is...

- 10 minutes later, my dealer calls me, and actually thanks me for calling Paradigm saying I shook something loose. Apparently they made it to NY, where they have been sitting. They agreed to ship them to my dealer that day.

As for my broken S2, the dealer talked to Paradigm who agreed to cross-ship a new driver, which apparently they never do without a formal diagnosis and report, but since it's almost always the driver and since they screwed up shipping my S6's, they made this gesture.

So, the S6's and new S2 driver should be arriving at my dealer tomorrow, and I'm scheduled for delivery to my house Wednesday. I'm still hopeful, but I won't believe it until he tells me he has them, and they aren't damaged.

I'll post pictures once everything arrives and is plugged in.

(For what it's worth, the sound is already remarkably better than my previous setup with the current setup in place - C5, ADP3's, S2's, and PB13 Ultra. I can't wait for the improvement with the S6's.)

Thats awesome buddy.... Glad things are starting to move in motion...
I am excited for you to get everything in place... There is nothing like when your sitting there listening to something or watching a movie, and it just hits you like a brick - Now this is what I worked so hard for, doing research, sampling speakers, putting it all together and getting to that end result... Its just a priceless moment...

I had that just yesterday shortly after I got my JL F112, and my D-Sonic amp.
My system just sounded so clean and thunderous - a big smile and incredibly warm feeling came over me..... Awesome...

Hey guys, I need some help. I am living in an apartment right now and my media room is small. I am getting married within the next 2 years so until then I can't look forward to anything bigger in terms of the room (wifey and I will get our own place). I am looking at Paradigm's speaker line and am trying to find what suits me well now and can be used in the future. I've limited it down to a pair bookshelfs that will be changed to rears later, a center channel and a sub so this would be a 3.1. I can use my current iffy speakers for rears if need be to avoid unnecessary buys. I am stepping away from towers since I think it's overkill for now but want them for later. All powered off of an Onkyo 605. The room is dimensioned roughly 8' x 12' and the TV is on the 12' wall centered in the room. Viewing distance is roughly 6'. Am I taking the right approach? I might hold off on the sub for the time being since I'm not sure a small one now would suffice later. I even contemplated on Paradigm's HT 5.1 speaker setup but not sure how well packed it is for now and future use.

BTW I had an old HTIB that was boxed up and given to my younger sis (she loves it) but it never appealed to me. I got it cheap so I knew what I was expecting. My other passions in life held me back from going all out but the 1 thing that was the hurdle was how am I doing this with a small room and I think this approach is best

Let me know :cool:

Your approach is perfectly valid. A pair of Mini Monitors would work fine as fronts first and as rears later. However, I would urge you to consider to sink all of your money into getting fronts to keep and add center, rears and sub later. Besides having good-quality equipment, room treatment is probably the most important aspect in achieving a decent listening experience. Your current room is rather small, and you don't know yet what your future room will look like. So, it doesn't make much sense to invest in a proper surround-sound system (which will have to take room acoustics into account; it cannot be done with speakers alone) when you are going to move soon anyway. If you would get a pair of good full-range speakers, you will have excellent music and very good movie experiences right away, and the system can grow easily without having to compromise on quality later.

Just a thought. Best - MM

Here's what I have:

Studio 60 v.3 fronts
CC-470
mini monitor rears
Anthem mca-30 amp
integra dtr 6.5 receiver (100 watts)
PW-2200 sub :(

I've got the upgrade bug and am thinking the best thing to do is get the Studio 100 v.4 to replace the 60's. Can get it new for $2600

There's no way I can afford or think I would get the CC-690 even if I could due to the sheer size of it. The new 590 is $1000. I can get my dealers CC-570 v.3 for 600 bucks. Excellent condition, full warranty.

Looking for opinions on paying $400 more for the 590 v.4 versus the 570 v.3

He will also sell me Studio 20 v.3(demos barely used) for $600

Any money I save on speakers can go towards getting the SVS PB13 Ultra sub. So, maybe I can keep the mini monitors and pass on the 20s.

I watch 80% dvd live concerts and 20% HT

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

Kevin

Im thinking of ordering spikes for my Signature S8's they have not been delivered yet can anyone tell me what size tread the holes are? I thought they might be 20 but I wasnt sure.

Thats awesome buddy.... Glad things are starting to move in motion...
I am excited for you to get everything in place... There is nothing like when your sitting there listening to something or watching a movie, and it just hits you like a brick - Now this is what I worked so hard for, doing research, sampling speakers, putting it all together and getting to that end result... Its just a priceless moment...

I had that just yesterday shortly after I got my JL F112, and my D-Sonic amp.
My system just sounded so clean and thunderous - a big smile and incredibly warm feeling came over me..... Awesome...

Congrats on getting the D-Sonic and F112! The F112 is obviously fantastic. I'm really anxious to hear about your experiences with the D-Sonic - can you post some more here after you've had a chance to listen for a while?

It's funny how the timing of things works out: I had been thinking about upgrading from my Klipsch Reference speakers for a little while now. This weekend I had literally just finished up with TurboTax and found out I'll be getting a better than expected tax refund this year when I saw a notice online that the Home Theater Store in Solana Beach is closing up shop and liquidating everything. Extra cash in hand and the upgrade bug kicking in, I decided to check it out the next day. Anyway, I ended up leaving with:

Studio 40s v4 in Rosenut (with stands)
CC-590 v4 in Rosenut
Mini-Monitors

All for well under $2k, around dealer cost! Needless to say, I'm a happy camper!:D

I want to pick up some ADPs for side surrounds, and I'm not sure if I'll use the Mini-monitors as rear surrounds; currently I have 'wide dispersion' side surround and direct radiating rear surrounds.

Given people here have more experience with Paradigms than I, hopefully I can get some good input on the following questions:

Are people happy with ADPs as rear surrounds (in 7.1) or is direct radiating preferred by most? I'll probably get one pair to start with since I'm pretty sure I want them for the sides, and play with the positioning.

The Studio 40 stands can be filled with ballast; what material is good for this and for anyone that's done it is it worth it in terms of extra stability or sonic impact?

I currently have an Onkyo 705 receiver which seems to be up to the task of powering the system at typical listening levels (-15 to -20 dB below reference). I'm toying with picking up a solid 3 channel amp for the front stage and let the Onkyo just power the surrounds. Worth it?

Thanks in advance for any replies...

It's funny how the timing of things works out: I had been thinking about upgrading from my Klipsch Reference speakers for a little while now. This weekend I had literally just finished up with TurboTax and found out I'll be getting a better than expected tax refund this year when I saw a notice online that the Home Theater Store in Solana Beach is closing up shop and liquidating everything. Extra cash in hand and the upgrade bug kicking in, I decided to check it out the next day. Anyway, I ended up leaving with:

Studio 40s v4 in Rosenut (with stands)
CC-590 v4 in Rosenut
Mini-Monitors

All for well under $2k, around dealer cost! Needless to say, I'm a happy camper!:D

I want to pick up some ADPs for side surrounds, and I'm not sure if I'll use the Mini-monitors as rear surrounds; currently I have 'wide dispersion' side surround and direct radiating rear surrounds.

Given people here have more experience with Paradigms than I, hopefully I can get some good input on the following questions:

Are people happy with ADPs as rear surrounds (in 7.1) or is direct radiating preferred by most? I'll probably get one pair to start with since I'm pretty sure I want them for the sides, and play with the positioning.

The Studio 40 stands can be filled with ballast; what material is good for this and for anyone that's done it is it worth it in terms of extra stability or sonic impact?

I currently have an Onkyo 705 receiver which seems to be up to the task of powering the system at typical listening levels (-15 to -20 dB below reference). I'm toying with picking up a solid 3 channel amp for the front stage and let the Onkyo just power the surrounds. Worth it?

Thanks in advance for any replies...

- Rears - I was a big ADP/bi/dipole fan for rears, that is until people strongly recommended going direct. For music, you have to go direct for rears. For HT, I'm converted, and I really like the direct rears. You can really hear where the sound is coming from, as opposed to some vague general rear channel. The only negative is you will be a little more aware of the speaker placement for rear directs, so just try to place them well.

- Onkyo 705 - I'd use this excuse to get a better/more powerful amp. The 705 is okay, and certainly will serve you well as a pre-pro, and for sides/rears, but it sounds like you have "the bug" anyway, so you might consider getting a bigger amp for the fronts/center. Honestly, you probably don't need it with 40's/CC590, especially at those low volumes, but you'll want to crank it up soon. Perhaps try it out, and you'll be able to tell quickly if you need more juice.

Any money I save on speakers can go towards getting the SVS PB13 Ultra sub. So, maybe I can keep the mini monitors and pass on the 20s.

I watch 80% dvd live concerts and 20% HT

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

Kevin

If you have the patience, you can wait for what you want to turn up on E-bay or audiogon. I got my C3 v2 Cherry and a (single)S4 v2 Cherry at 50% off MSRP, and both were brand new in box never used.

I'm waiting patiently for black ADP-590 or Cherry ADP-1s and another S4 v2 cherry to come up so I can complete my system. *hint* if anyone wants to sell. :)

hey all - I was at a dealer the other day and demod a pair of mini monitors - LOVED them. so rich and wide. Where is the best place to buy them? The store I was at wanted like $450 for them, which I know is way above MSRP.

Also - will these need any specific kind of amp to drive them? The source is a macbook pro.

Ideally I would like a SMALL amp like the Sonic Impact T-Amp, but I don't want to cripple the speakers.

Main use will be as desktop computer speakers.

I'm also going to listen to the Atoms and Titans - anything else I should be hearing?

thanks!

hey all - I was at a dealer the other day and demod a pair of mini monitors - LOVED them. so rich and wide. Where is the best place to buy them? The store I was at wanted like $450 for them, which I know is way above MSRP.

Also - will these need any specific kind of amp to drive them? The source is a macbook pro.

Ideally I would like a SMALL amp like the Sonic Impact T-Amp, but I don't want to cripple the speakers.

Main use will be as desktop computer speakers.

I'm also going to listen to the Atoms and Titans - anything else I should be hearing?

thanks!

These speakers are very efficient, so a "smallish" Class-D amp will be absolutely sufficient. Check out KingRex, Trends, etc. audiomagus.com has a nice lineup. The Winsome Labs Mouse is a bit more powerful. Any of these will likely blow your ears off in a near-field setting.

Best - MM

Does anyone know if I can replace the woofers and tweeters in my Reference (Studio) 80's v2 to match better with version 4 Studios? I called Paradigm and they said it was not possible, Anyone with any advice would be appreciated, thanks.

Does anyone know if I can replace the woofers and tweeters in my Reference (Studio) 80's v2 to match better with version 4 Studios? I called Paradigm and they said it was not possible, Anyone with any advice would be appreciated, thanks.

The v2 used larger drivers than the v3 and v4 and different crossovers.

Your approach is perfectly valid. A pair of Mini Monitors would work fine as fronts first and as rears later. However, I would urge you to consider to sink all of your money into getting fronts to keep and add center, rears and sub later. Besides having good-quality equipment, room treatment is probably the most important aspect in achieving a decent listening experience. Your current room is rather small, and you don't know yet what your future room will look like. So, it doesn't make much sense to invest in a proper surround-sound system (which will have to take room acoustics into account; it cannot be done with speakers alone) when you are going to move soon anyway. If you would get a pair of good full-range speakers, you will have excellent music and very good movie experiences right away, and the system can grow easily without having to compromise on quality later.

Just a thought. Best - MM

Thanks for letting me know and I agree with you that the room, both dimensionally and material wise, isn't the best and I can only fix 1 of the 2 until I move to a bigger place. But there was a deal I couldn't pass on. Saturday I'm picking up a used set of Titan L/Rs, CC-170 center, ADP-170 surrounds and stands for all (sans center) for under $300 fairly locally. I believe Paradigm has a 5 yr warranty so I have about 1/2 of it left. The gentleman selling it over at Audioholics is going to demo the setup for me to ensure everything is sound (no pun intended :p). A little overkill for the room? maybe but it's a great start and a killer deal for the future. I might just use the Titans and maybe the center channel for the time being. All will be connected to a 605 form Onkyo.

Can't wait and I'ld be a fool to not pick up this deal! New place hopefully will have a room big enough to dedicate a good setup. By then I hope to hop on some towers that I love hearing everytime I walk into the only US retailer that sells Paradigm. :cool:

The v2 used larger drivers than the v3 and v4 and different crossovers.

Thanks for the info. :(

Congrats on getting the D-Sonic and F112! The F112 is obviously fantastic. I'm really anxious to hear about your experiences with the D-Sonic - can you post some more here after you've had a chance to listen for a while?

Yeah... the F112 is an incredible sub... If I hadn't heard it for myself in my system I wouldn't have believed how much of an improvement it was...
Comparing it to PB12+ its just so much more incredibly accurate, and it equals if not exceeds the output... Really cool, as I didn't have the room for the
big sub in here...

The D-Sonic 2000-5 is an excellent amp, the SQ and power is incredible, truly opened up my S4's, I would highly suggest it if one was looking to upgrade. It is definitely worth the money.

I have gotten a buzzing in my speakers since I installed it, but tracked it down to the Reciever.... If I unplug the RCA inputs from the receiver to the amp, the buzz is gone, so its not the amp, and I have been trying what I can so far to get rid of it... Its either the RCA cables, or the Reciever having a ground loop hum... that is being introduced..

I'll track it down.... I was waiting to upgrade the receiver to a Pre-Amp, but it might come sooner...

Yeah... the F112 is an incredible sub... If I hadn't heard it for myself in my system I wouldn't have believed how much of an improvement it was...
Comparing it to PB12+ its just so much more incredibly accurate, and it equals if not exceeds the output... Really cool, as I didn't have the room for the
big sub in here...

The D-Sonic 2000-5 is an excellent amp, the SQ and power is incredible, truly opened up my S4's, I would highly suggest it if one was looking to upgrade. It is definitely worth the money.

I have gotten a buzzing in my speakers since I installed it, but tracked it down to the Reciever.... If I unplug the RCA inputs from the receiver to the amp, the buzz is gone, so its not the amp, and I have been trying what I can so far to get rid of it... Its either the RCA cables, or the Reciever having a ground loop hum... that is being introduced..

I'll track it down.... I was waiting to upgrade the receiver to a Pre-Amp, but it might come sooner...
Warp i bet your rec has a 2 prong and your amp has 3 prong power plug
if you float the ground on the amp or if your amp has a ground lift switch
the buzz will go away.

Yeah... the F112 is an incredible sub... If I hadn't heard it for myself in my system I wouldn't have believed how much of an improvement it was...
Comparing it to PB12+ its just so much more incredibly accurate, and it equals if not exceeds the output... Really cool, as I didn't have the room for the
big sub in here...



Warpdrv! You are driving me nuts! :D I have a PB12+ and now have sub envy. :) Maybe I'll have to shop on a-gon for a used F112...blast you. :p

Warp i bet your rec has a 2 prong and your amp has 3 prong power plug
if you float the ground on the amp or if your amp has a ground lift switch
the buzz will go away.

It is a very slight buzzing through the speakers.... barely audible.
You are correct.... 2 prong receiver, 3 prong amp. I have covered everything that I can think of...

This is all hooked up through a dedicated 20 amp circuit I ran myself, grounded. I removed the ground from the panel, and still have the issue...

I removed each piece of equipment idividually one at a time until nothing was connected still buzz. I removed HDMI cables from my plasma and Dish receiver. I just connected a grounding wire to ground the receiver chassis, still there... I have tried both RCA and cheater RCA to Balanced plugs in the amp, this helps slightly... but removing all inputs to amp, I get no buzz. So its not the Amp... Any other suggestions are surely welcome...

At this point I believe its the receiver... Pioneer Elite 91 or the Pre-Out cables.

It is a very slight buzzing through the speakers.... barely audible.
You are correct.... 2 prong receiver, 3 prong amp. I have covered everything that I can think of...

This is all hooked up through a dedicated 20 amp circuit I ran myself, grounded. I removed the ground from the panel, and still have the issue...

I removed each piece of equipment idividually one at a time until nothing was connected still buzz. I removed HDMI cables from my plasma and Dish receiver. I just connected a grounding wire to ground the receiver chassis, still there... I have tried both RCA and cheater RCA to Balanced plugs in the amp, this helps slightly... but removing all inputs to amp, I get no buzz. So its not the Amp... Any other suggestions are surely welcome...

At this point I believe its the receiver... Pioneer Elite 91 or the Pre-Out cables.
Do you have cable and is the grounding block grounded at the service box
don't laugh i have seen all kinds of issues in ht when all the components are
hooked up ground loops are a pain in the butt .

Do you have cable and is the grounding block grounded at the service box
don't laugh i have seen all kinds of issues in ht when all the components are
hooked up ground loops are a pain in the butt .

Thanks oztech... I have pretty much covered everything here..

No cable TV.... Dish Network - I do have Cable internet... but its not connected at anyway to my receiver... My cable modem is plugged into a Battery Backup... But I will also check into the grounding of it... but I doubt its adding something into the loop...

Warpdrv,
Have you tried disconnecting the cable feed (s) coming from the "wall" to your dish box?

Warpdrv,
Have you tried disconnecting the cable feed (s) coming from the "wall" to your dish box?

The Dish Network receiver was unplugged from the wall power and the HDMI was disconnected from receiver completely... :( Hum/buzz was still there...

I believe its in the receiver somewhere... :(

I'm going to swap out the receiver and see what happens....

Yay! Just got my S6's delivered... I'm calibrating now (which I realized probably is dumb, since they need to "break in", but whatever, I'll do it again in a week).

The S2 is still semi-broken, the replacement driver didn't come in yet. Hopefully later this week or next week.

Pictures coming later today!

Cool beans bro.... I just got my bedroom furniture today, so I can now take some pics as well... tonight...

And whats with the Breaking-in bologna...

Thats awesome...

Yay! Just got my S6's delivered... I'm calibrating now (which I realized probably is dumb, since they need to "break in", but whatever, I'll do it again in a week).

The S2 is still semi-broken, the replacement driver didn't come in yet. Hopefully later this week or next week.

Pictures coming later today!

Congratulations AbMag. I felt your pain, and I'm glad its all coming together. Looking forward to those pics.

Here are pictures:

Secondary Sign:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1730.jpg

Main Sign:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1731.jpg

Screen wall:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN17322.jpg

Better shot of front S6/C5 speakers (I think I need to raise the C5):
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1732.jpg

Right side ADP3 surround and S2 rear:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1734.jpg

Left side ADP3 surround and S2 rear, and Sony VW60:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1735.jpg

PB13 Ultra sub:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1736.jpg

Pseudo-rack, with new P5 on the bottom (it's 135 pounds and much deeper than I expected!):
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN17332.jpg

Just a couple:

Ice Age shot:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1212.jpg

Cars shot:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1217.jpg

2001 shot:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1218.jpg

Very, Very Nice buddy.... Looks fantastic....

I assume you have a center channel stand on the way.... gotta get that thing off the ground.... Absolutely flawless picture quality... Nice that you got the S2 wall mounts to work for you.... :)

http://www.standsandmounts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4898

That one looks great, or maybe even go with something higher... :)

Nice pics Ab. Any thoughts of acoustical treatments?

Warpdrv,
Did you disconnect just the power or the signal feed? Try disconnecting the signal cables from the box.


Then wrap your house in foil with the shiny side in....:p

Nice pics Ab. Any thoughts of acoustical treatments?

Yup, that's next... Obviously I need them in this box of a room. Still trying to educate myself on exactly what and where I need them. All I've really found out so far is first reflection points on the left/right wall and ceiling, and perhaps some bass traps.

Very, Very Nice buddy.... Looks fantastic....

I assume you have a center channel stand on the way.... gotta get that thing off the ground.... Absolutely flawless picture quality... Nice that you got the S2 wall mounts to work for you.... :)

http://www.standsandmounts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=4898

That one looks great, or maybe even go with something higher... :)

That looks good - I wish they had dimensions on there - I only have about 9 inches of clearance above the C5 and the bottom of the screen (although it's out pretty far, so I could go higher). I asked them for dimensions.

AbMagFab,
Nice setup. Congrats!

I love the sign that says "Proudly serving whatever you bring". That's priceless!

Warpdrv,
Did you disconnect just the power or the signal feed? Try disconnecting the signal cables from the box.


Then wrap your house in foil with the shiny side in....:p

I completely disconnected the Dish Box from the power outlet, and the HDMI cable from the receiver even with the power off.... I still get the buzz.

I ran all the Sat cables through the house to the roof/soffit myself, so I know they are not grounded to the House grounding system... They are completely seperate.


I just ordered some heavy shielded 5.0 audio cables from BlueJeans today, we'll see if that helps, otherwise its the receiver and there is nothing I can do about it...

I wrap my head in foil every night before I go to sleep, to ward off any aliens that might want to steal all my knowledge... :rolleyes:

That looks good - I wish they had dimensions on there - I only have about 9 inches of clearance above the C5 and the bottom of the screen (although it's out pretty far, so I could go higher). I asked them for dimensions.

Here ya go buddy...
http://www.lovanusa.com/images/products/Dimensions_ML2CB_1887.pdf
Specs straight from Lovan.... Looks like more then plenty of room under that screen from the pictures....

They make some great looking Speaker Stands, I almost bought this one from them for my Sig S4's... http://www.lovanusa.com/index.php?cPath=1_6&osCsid=7c696f1495dcf52d551454be7a9969c5

AbMagFab,
Sweet setup, I'm glad you finally got your S6's.
You did one fine job on that room, I'm jelous :)

AbMagFab,
Great setup. Thats what this hobby is all about.

Well now that I got my new bedroom furniture, I'm not so embarrased to post some pics, still have to do some painting and decorating in here.... but at least you get the Idea... All Equipment is in the basement for a nice clean installation... I think it turned out pretty well...
Equipment list...
Panasonic 42" 8UK
Pioneer Elite 91 (Temporary PreAmp)
D-Sonic 2000-5 IcePower Amp
Xbox (Modded W/XBMC)
Dish Network HD
Paradigm S4 .v1 Rosewood
Paradigm C3 .v1 Rosewood
ADP-590's .v4
JL Audio F112
Pronto TSU9600

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/Bedroom001.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/Bedroom002.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/Bedroom003.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/Bedroom004.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/Bedroom005.jpg

Warpdrv,
Dude you rock, that's one sweet setup.
Do you have trouble deciding which system to listen to?
I wish the wife would let me setup one up in our room, I'd never have to get out of bed. :)

Warpdrv,
You've done it again man. Thats a beautiful setup. You and AbMagFab have inspired me. Enjoy!

Thanks guys.... just sitting here in bed, looking at everything live, and then looking at the pictures... everything just looks so small... the Plasma and the dresser are both really big in here but in the pics don't do this justice at all..

The sound is even better then my studio setup... although its not as loud, its alot tighter, cleaner.
The dynamics of the Sigs are worth the upgrade... I would love to hear the .v2's but I might just hold this system the way it is until the .v3 Sigs come out... Seriously just digging the sound.

Thanks guys.... just sitting here in bed, looking at everything live, and then looking at the pictures... everything just looks so small... the Plasma and the dresser are both really big in here but in the pics don't do this justice at all..

The sound is even better then my studio setup... although its not as loud, its alot tighter, cleaner.
The dynamics of the Sigs are worth the upgrade... I would love to hear the .v2's but I might just hold this system the way it is until the .v3 Sigs come out... Seriously just digging the sound.

You seriously need a 60" or larger TV. :D

Congratulations guys looks like things are finally coming together for you. Oh by the way look what showed up on my doorstep today :D

i have a question for the paradigm dealers that hang out in here. does paradigm have any type of policy that requires their dealers to have a certain number and/or range of demo speakers for prospective buyers to be able to listen to? i own some older paradigms and am looking to upgrade, and the only dealer in my area(and probably, state) only has 1 pair of millenia, and 1 pair of mini monitors to be auditioned. the monitor 9's are at my budget point, and i love the way my old 3se's and titans sound, but i really want to hear the 9's before pulling the trigger. my dealer says he has some 9's coming in and can set up, but i was just curious if paradigm has a policy regarding this.

I did a search and didnt find any info on this..

When I was moving, I accidentally put my finger on the tweeter and it got dented. I have Studio 100's v3. So my question is, do I have to replace the tweeter or leave it like it is?

Thanks

Anthony