hifisponge:

Are those the Paradigm Studio 20's in your graveyard or the Signature S2's?

If they're the Signature S2's, what do the S8's give you over the S2's?

hifisponge:

Are those the Paradigm Studio 20's in your graveyard or the Signature S2's?

If they're the Signature S2's, what do the S8's give you over the S2's?

They are actually S4's. I used to have S8's, but I couldn't get the right one far enough away from the sidewall. As a result there was a peak in the bass from that speaker that was annoying. So, I stepped down to the S4's. I can say that without a doubt the midrange was cleaner and more "transparent" in the S8's because of the dedicated midrange driver, and of course the bass extension and power was better, even when crossed over to a sub. I would recommend at least the S6's for this reason. Though to be fair, the midrange was still quite good on the S4's, just not *as* good.

I have had other tower speakers in the same position as the S8's without a problem, so it must have been the configuration of the bass drivers and ports in the S8's that just didn't gel with my limited placement options.

I have being offered a very good deal on a new studio 100 system, My current setup is a monitor 9 system and wanted to know now much of an improvement I should hear. I do not have the luxury to listen to them 1st unfortunately though. They will be driven by a Integra 9.8 with a Anthem mca50 amp and used for mostly movies.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Well I was initially looking at a Monitor setup, but now I plan on building the setup a little bit slower. I've heard good things about the Studio line, so am looking at possibly upgrading from Monitor 9s to something like the Studio 60s. I realize it's a decent price hike, but if the difference in sound quality is the same size as the price difference, then it will be worth it.

On a similar note, I have a bit of an over-the-top love for my HT setup that is slowing growing, so the Studio 100s sort of peak my interest as well. The room will only be about 18 x 15 or so... and my receiver will only be about 100-115 wpc depending on the Denon I go with this fall (2309 or 2809), so wondering if I would actually need those extra drivers.

First priority is a nice set of fronts because I quality stereo audio for CD listening is as much a concern as HT / gaming.

And one more thing: are Paradigms considered power hungry speakers? It seems like there are some brands that really need a lot of juice to really "remove the veil" from them. Are Paradigms considered quite efficient?

Just got my Paradigm set up on Friday:

cc370
Ultracube 10
AMS 300s
and I was supposed to get Monitor 11 fronts, but the dealer says they are back ordered, so I am "borrowing" his demo Studio 100 v3. He says these have about 40 hours on them - and they sound sweet -. He's "willing to let me have them" instead of the new Monitors for an even exchange of what I paid.

I'm wary of mixing Monitor and Studio components -and have already noticed a sort of delay when using the fronts and the Zone 2 AMS 300s in the kitchen at the same time (accidentally left them on when watching The Fifth Element...)

The last issue is that the demos are in a maple veneer - and the wife isn't having it - so I'll either have to pay for new Studio 100s in black, or get my original Monitor 11s when they arrive.

Any thoughts are much appreciated!
Lyle

I have being offered a very good deal on a new studio 100 system, My current setup is a monitor 9 system and wanted to know now much of an improvement I should hear. I do not have the luxury to listen to them 1st unfortunately though. They will be driven by a Integra 9.8 with a Anthem mca50 amp and used for mostly movies.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Your electronics are 1st rate.

Moving up to the Studio 100 is a wise move. Your soundfield will grow both in depth, width and have a palpable presence now. It will even warm up the tendency toward brightness the Anthem amp is noted for. Careful selection of speaker cables is a must. Try Kimber 8TC or the new "Anti-cables".

http://www.anticables.com/products.html

Good luck with your new toys!

I have being offered a very good deal on a new studio 100 system, My current setup is a monitor 9 system and wanted to know now much of an improvement I should hear. I do not have the luxury to listen to them 1st unfortunately though. They will be driven by a Integra 9.8 with a Anthem mca50 amp and used for mostly movies.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Imo the studio's just do it all better especially if any music is involved and
female voices sound better,better dynamics,tighter midbass and a great
soundstage.

Hey.

I've been looking at Paradigm speakers for maybe half a year. I have set aside a budget of $2000 for the speakers/sub/receiver.

Does anyone have any recommendations given that budget?

For 2 grand you should be able to get a setup of Monitor 9 fronts, CC290 center, ADP190 surrounds, and then I would recommend saving some cash to get a nice sub. From my understanding Paradigm subs are not bad but there is better value to be had elsewhere for that price range (ie, the Servo 15 is well-respected, but an expensive sub).

Hey.

I've been looking at Paradigm speakers for maybe half a year. I have set aside a budget of $2000 for the speakers/sub/receiver.

Does anyone have any recommendations given that budget?

You could get a full set of Atom's an Onkyo or Pioneer and a HSU or SVS sub
or save a little longer and one up everything.

With so much rave about the studio's, I wish I would've got those now. But my dealer dont have them at the store to listen to them.

All the rave about the studio series is what has me thinking I might not be happy if I settle for a set of Monitors.

All the rave about the studio series is what has me thinking I might not be happy if I settle for a set of Monitors.

Thats what I have, the titans. They sound good to me but I just wonder how much I'm missing.

did not get a chance to compare the 390 to the 290 but i think the 390 sounds phenominal! plus the aesthetics are amazing! pop that grill off and drop jaws!!!

I have a chance to buy a CC390 for a farily decent price. I've currently got a cc290 matched with v5 M9's. I really love the looks of the 390 - like everyone else- but I'm wondering if it's worth it or not. Is it any more clear than than the cc290? My room is about 16x16.

Hello Uabcar. I have the same set up as you with about the same size or slightly smaller room. I've also been thinking about the CC390 as an upgrade center speaker for use when I move out of my current living situation. Love the CC290, however, us home theatre enthusiasts always want to go that extra mile. I really can't afford to upgrade to the highly acclaimed studio series so I thought I would treat myself to a CC390 for future use.

Any more feedback or opinions on the above situation?

Thanks

How much do studio 100's go for in Canada?

From what I remember (I haven't looked at Paradigms in almost a year), the Monitor 9 are SRP 1049.00, the Studio 60 SRP 1999.00 and the Studio 100 SRP 2799.00. Off the top of my head, I could be off by a bit, but if memory serves that's about it. Should be easy to get at least 20% off list.

How much do studio 100's go for in Canada?

Paradigm usually holds their retailers to a higher standard. Consider yourself lucky if you get 20% reduction when only buying the 100's.;)

With so much rave about the studio's, I wish I would've got those now. But my dealer dont have them at the store to listen to them.

All the rave about the studio series is what has me thinking I might not be happy if I settle for a set of Monitors.

It sounds like you should go and listen to them thats why its imperative to
demo before you buy.

Paradigm usually holds their retailers to a higher standard. Consider yourself lucky if you get 20% reduction when only buying the 100's.;)Actually the retailer that I dealt with was very quick to give me a good quote when I walked in, tried out the Monitors, and described the setup I was after. For example, Monitor 9 at $1050 was down to 780 without me even having to haggle, and that was the same right across the board. CC290, ADP 390, PW2200, all similar discount. This was a dealer in a smaller city however. Here in Winnipeg, I haven't tried to haggle with the largest dealer, but the closest one wouldn't give me a *dime* off MSRP. Just took me for a stupid kid (21 and look like 16 :p), and I didn't press the issue. I felt if that's how he wanted to deal, then I didn't want to do business there.

Hey.

I've been looking at Paradigm speakers for maybe half a year. I have set aside a budget of $2000 for the speakers/sub/receiver.

Does anyone have any recommendations given that budget?

I would think you should be able to get a mini-monitor fronts, CC290 centre and CC190 surrounds. I would think you could then get a Yamaha or Onkyo receiver for $500 or so.

I've had a monitor 7 system for a few years now and love it. Listening to the studio's at this point will likely make you want what you don't have budget for, and then make whatever you buy feel like a compromise. I'd audition to what is in your price range, buy what sounds best to you and then enjoy them. Just my $.02

Well I was initially looking at a Monitor setup, but now I plan on building the setup a little bit slower. I've heard good things about the Studio line, so am looking at possibly upgrading from Monitor 9s to something like the Studio 60s. I realize it's a decent price hike, but if the difference in sound quality is the same size as the price difference, then it will be worth it.

On a similar note, I have a bit of an over-the-top love for my HT setup that is slowing growing, so the Studio 100s sort of peak my interest as well. The room will only be about 18 x 15 or so... and my receiver will only be about 100-115 wpc depending on the Denon I go with this fall (2309 or 2809), so wondering if I would actually need those extra drivers.

First priority is a nice set of fronts because I quality stereo audio for CD listening is as much a concern as HT / gaming.

And one more thing: are Paradigms considered power hungry speakers? It seems like there are some brands that really need a lot of juice to really "remove the veil" from them. Are Paradigms considered quite efficient?

If you're going to power them with a receiver, just get the Monitors.

I currently have Paradigm Studio 60, CC570 and ADP470 (All v.3). With changing my screen to a 235:1, I am required to change the Studio 60 to the new Studio Esprit on wall speakers. Do I need to change the CC570 to the Esprit center channel speaker or one of the other recommended CC-590 and CC-690? If so which center would be recommended.

If you're going to power them with a receiver, just get the Monitors.

I Concur with this statement IF you are going to stay in lower tiers of Denon HTR's.

However, if you go up the ladder to the 4308ci of the 3808ci, then moving to the 60's or 100's will perform quite well.

:D

I Concur with this statement IF you are going to stay in lower tiers of Denon HTR's.

However, if you go up the ladder to the 4308ci of the 3808ci, then moving to the 60's or 100's will perform quite well.

:D

I'm not a Denon fan, so I wouldn't do it either way. I can tell you this. As an Integra owner, I had the Monitor 9s V5 and upgraded to the 100s V4. They sound better, but not $1500 better IMHO.

Unless the receiver you have is a Carver, B&K, Sunfire, Rotel or something of the like, stick with the Monitors. Period. You will not realize how much better the Studios are. The Studio 100s really need a good power amp driving them.

When I heard the Studios, prior to buying them, they were demoed using a Bryston amp, so I know what they can do:). My Integra, while no slouch and easily the equal of an upper tier Denon, just ain't doing 'em justice.

With HT they're fine, when I listen to music I think something is missing. Like they are holding back. Its not that they're bad at all. I just think the Monitors are that good.

I'm not a Denon fan, so I wouldn't do it either way. I can tell you this. As an Integra owner, I had the Monitor 9s V5 and upgraded to the 100s V4. They sound better, but not $1500 better IMHO.

Unless the receiver you have is a Carver, B&K, Sunfire, Rotel or something of the like, stick with the Monitors. Period. You will not realize how much better the Studios are. The Studio 100s really need a good power amp driving them.

When I heard the Studios, prior to buying them, they were demoed using a Bryston amp, so I know what they can do:). My Integra, while no slouch and easily the equal of an upper tier Denon, just ain't doing 'em justice.

With HT they're fine, when I listen to music I think something is missing. Like they are holding back. Its not that they're bad at all. I just think the Monitors are that good.


I agree totally. I've had my Monitor 7 set up now for a few years and still absolutely love the way they sound.

I'm not a Denon fan, so I wouldn't do it either way. I can tell you this. As an Integra owner, I had the Monitor 9s V5 and upgraded to the 100s V4. They sound better, but not $1500 better IMHO.

Unless the receiver you have is a Carver, B&K, Sunfire, Rotel or something of the like, stick with the Monitors. Period. You will not realize how much better the Studios are. The Studio 100s really need a good power amp driving them.

When I heard the Studios, prior to buying them, they were demoed using a Bryston amp, so I know what they can do:). My Integra, while no slouch and easily the equal of an upper tier Denon, just ain't doing 'em justice.

With HT they're fine, when I listen to music I think something is missing. Like they are holding back. Its not that they're bad at all. I just think the Monitors are that good.

As a recently retired Audio salon owner, I agree wtih you observations on so many points that it is indeed hard to hve a contrary opinion!

The Top tier Denons, Onkyo's and Yamaha's (less so the Marantz & Pioneers)
have come a long way in producing HTR's with monster power supplies and enormous cap supplies.You can almost arcweld with them.

Bryston, Audio Research and Anthem followed by Denon and Rotel were my electronics line. On the Speaker side, it was Bryston, Paradigm and vandersteen and REL. I have intermixed every unit with every other piece and there is no doubt the Bryston 3Bsst, 7bsst, 14b etc will control just about any speaker with aplomb , especially the 100's.

Though, I would sooner have a pair of 60's or monitor 11's with a top end Denon, leaving money on the table for ancillary gear and cables. Certainly Bryston/100's is a marriage. I feel more comfortable with Vandersteen 2ce Sig II/Bryston 7bsst... but not Thiel or Vander subs...Rather AV123 or SVS ,
maybe even REL. ADP 390 and Atoms for the rears....

I'm currently running monitors 7v5 and a cc-290 with a paradigm ps1200 for a sub. recently one of my surround speakers (titans v2) went on me... now here is my dilemma.

I can get a really good price for a pair of klipsch rs42 surrounds and i was wandering if these speakers would blend in well with my current paradigms? should i save up and buy the adp 390s? how much of a difference would there really be between the klipsch and the paradigms?

i was actually thinking of buying 2 sets of klipschs rs42 surrounds for a 7.1 surround setup since i just got a new h/k 354. if i did go with all paradigms surrounds i was thinking of using the adp 390s for surrounds and maybe atoms or titans for the back surrounds.

thanks to anyone with any advice on which of the two set ups i should use.

thanks.

I'm currently running monitors 7v5 and a cc-290 with a paradigm ps1200 for a sub. recently one of my surround speakers (titans v2) went on me... now here is my dilemma.

I can get a really good price for a pair of klipsch rs42 surrounds and i was wandering if these speakers would blend in well with my current paradigms? should i save up and buy the adp 390s? how much of a difference would there really be between the klipsch and the paradigms?

i was actually thinking of buying 2 sets of klipschs rs42 surrounds for a 7.1 surround setup since i just got a new h/k 354. if i did go with all paradigms surrounds i was thinking of using the adp 390s for surrounds and maybe atoms or titans for the back surrounds.

thanks to anyone with any advice on which of the two set ups i should use.

thanks.
I would stay with the Paradigms they will match your front end.

I would stay with the Paradigms they will match your front end.

I agree with sticking with all Pdigms. However, if the person selling the Klipsch is making you an offer you simply cannot refuse here is something to think about.

Do you listen to any SACDs or DVD-A or concert DVDs? If the answer is 'no' then mixing your rear surrounds can be tolerable if you can level match the sound output.

With most movies your rear surrounds are giving you what I call controlled noise; explosions, things that go bump, echos, etc. Usually nothing that you are going to listen to with a critical ear. Your focus is usually on the the picture and stuff coming from the fronts which is why a lot of people jump when something comes from the surrounds. Generally speaking you don't need matched speakers to handle this duty, you do need to match the sound levels though.

Hi there, I have the following setup and am looking to upgrade the front speakers.

Paradigm Atom V.2 (fronts)
Paradigm CC-170 (center)
Paradigm PDR-8 (subwoofer)
Paradigm Atom V.2 (rears)

Would a reasonable upgrade be to switch the fronts to Titans? I found some used for $75, but one of the connectors on the back is broken (I can just solder it). Could I even upgrade to the Studio series if I wanted to spend much more? What about if I go to 7.1 surround, would the spare set of Atoms work as the extra side speakers? I am trying to avoid upgrading the whole system.

Also, I just purchased a Yamaha RX-V663 HD Receiver so I'm looking for a little more from my system with Blu-ray and HD DVD, etc.

Thanks!

The upgrade from Atoms to Titans would yield some gain in terms of low-end bass extension. If you're looking for some sort of "night and day" transformation, I'm not sure if that upgrade would be drastically different for you. In my audition experience where I heard Atoms, Mini Monitors, and the Titans there was a marked difference in bass response, but I would strongly suggest auditioning if possible through a local dealer to see if it's worth your dollars.

An upgrade to the Studio series would likely require you to upgrade your center channel as well. The general consensus on these forums is that you want as much of a "match" as possible across the front soundstage. So if you did go with Studios, you might have to go up to the CC-590 center channel to ensure timbral matching- extra budget expenditure there.

The Atoms would likely be fine as rears- rear speakers don't necessarily HAVE to match the fronts, so you could transition your Atoms to surrounds and back surrounds in a 7.1 system.

If I can make a recommendation, I might forego the Studios (if you are happy with the Monitor series) and upgrade your fronts to something like the Titans or maybe Monitor 7's as well as upgrading that sub. If you have any desire for more/better bass, you can do a lot better than that PDR-8 sub for your money especially from a different brand- look at eD, Epik, SVS, HSU, etc. You'll end up getting a lot more bang for your buck. Just a suggestion though...good luck.

-Tyler

I might forego the Studios (if you are happy with the Monitor series) and upgrade your fronts to something like the Titans or maybe Monitor 7's as well as upgrading that sub.
-Tyler

Thanks for the recommendation, that's what they were saying at Audio Video Unlimited... that I should probably go for the Monitor 7's. I listened to them briefly and they were decent, but I think I'd need to try them out in my room.

I'm not much of a bass person (and the wife has something to do with it), but that may be a consideration too when I get a bigger living room... but then again I'd probably upgrade quite a few things or the whole system.

Thanks!

Quick question for paradigm owners/users:

I know that the most common use/setup is to have the surround speakers like the ADP590's on the sides and the direct firing speakers at the rear.

According to Paradigm, their literature says to use ADP590's on the side wall and rear wall as well.

Is there any configuration which would make having a pair of ADP590's on the sides and on the rear walls work? What my home theater system is missing is that sense of "envelopment" that I've gotten from my previous HT systems and the direct firing speakers just don't seem to be doing the trick. (they are paradigm speakers as well).

Is there any way to use all ADP590's for side and rear surrounds that would create this sense of envelopment? Thanks!

Quick question for paradigm owners/users:

I know that the most common use/setup is to have the surround speakers like the ADP590's on the sides and the direct firing speakers at the rear.

According to Paradigm, their literature says to use ADP590's on the side wall and rear wall as well.

Is there any configuration which would make having a pair of ADP590's on the sides and on the rear walls work? What my home theater system is missing is that sense of "envelopment" that I've gotten from my previous HT systems and the direct firing speakers just don't seem to be doing the trick. (they are paradigm speakers as well).

Is there any way to use all ADP590's for side and rear surrounds that would create this sense of envelopment? Thanks!

Personally, I think that dipoles make very ineffective back wall surround speakers. The side firing driver config on a dipole will shoot the sound along the back wall insted of into the room as with a front firing speaker. You also have no control over the null produced by a dipole when it is placed on the rear wall, like you do when they are placed to the sides. Depening on where you sit along the couch, you will be in the null of one speaker but not the other.

I'm a bit surprised that you don't like the front firing speakers as rear-back channels. There may be something else at play here.

I suppose the first question should be, what was the configuration of your previous set-up? What has changed? Same room and AVR or Preamp? What were your prior speakers?

Also, have you tried adjusting the levels up in the rear channels to see if this helps provide more evelopment?

PS: Paradigm likely promotes the use of there dipoles as rear wall speakers because they do not make a monopole on-wall surround.

Quick question for paradigm owners/users:

I know that the most common use/setup is to have the surround speakers like the ADP590's on the sides and the direct firing speakers at the rear.

According to Paradigm, their literature says to use ADP590's on the side wall and rear wall as well.

Is there any configuration which would make having a pair of ADP590's on the sides and on the rear walls work? What my home theater system is missing is that sense of "envelopment" that I've gotten from my previous HT systems and the direct firing speakers just don't seem to be doing the trick. (they are paradigm speakers as well).

Is there any way to use all ADP590's for side and rear surrounds that would create this sense of envelopment? Thanks!

If you have been to a movie at one of those "Cineplex" multi theaters, you will see that the several sets of surround speakers on the side walls are for the most part NOT dipoles, but rather monopoles (direct firing). Among the reason you feel enveloped is the sheer number of speakers being used to reproduce the sounds and not any special speaker design per se.

I have both types of setups, one with direct firing for side surrounds and 1 with dipole for the sides... So I can directly compare the sound by moving from one room to the other, with the ADP's in a small bedroom, and the studio 20's in the really large room. Both are very nice, but I prefer the direct firing, but not every situation can accommodate such a large speaker such as the studio 20 on a wall.

I have also tried both a direct firing speaker and the ADP's behind in my great room, and by far the direct is a far superior scenario, being able to differentiate panning sounds left and right behind you easier, where the ADP's just tend to smear sounds around back there, and you get far less precision to the nature of the recording. (Disclaimer) Both of my systems are 5.1 right now.

Now lets also bring to light for the billionth time that to date there are very few movie recordings that offer true 7.1 material, but the numbers are starting to grow. So I guess it all depends on how much you really want to invest in rear speakers.

My opinion, just get some medium-small speakers to put back there and avoid spending the big bucks on ADP's or even matching speakers
and try them out back there to see how you like them... Unless you really have the room and don't mind blowing the cash as surround material is rarely as important as your front stage, and pretty much filler... YMMV

I have both types of setups, one with direct firing for side surrounds and 1 with dipole for the sides... So I can directly compare the sound by moving from one room to the other, with the ADP's in a small bedroom, and the studio 20's in the really large room. Both are very nice, but I prefer the direct firing, but not every situation can accommodate such a large speaker such as the studio 20 on a wall.

YMMV

You should try switching that scenario around as far as the side surrounds. Typically, the ADPs would work better in the larger room, to diffuse the sound over a greater area and for the benefit of more listeners.

With directs on the side in your large room, how many seats get the good quality surround sound? If you were comparing only the prime listening position -- it may not be a valid comparision. You may improve on your sound in the larger room that with the ADPs there.

Your bedroom probably has only one or two decent listening positions, so direct firing would be best there.

I would definitely go with with directs for rears, no matter what.

PS: Paradigm likely promotes the use of there dipoles as rear wall speakers because they do not make a monopole on-wall surround.

Sure they do, they call them Atoms :) That's what I use (with Studio ADPs on the side and Studio 20s up front).

After a few weeks with the Paradigm Titan v5 I'm considering changing to one of AV123's offerings (specificly the ELT525's). While I do enjoy the sound of the Titan monitors, I feel like I could get more for my money from ID companies.

I'm going to do an A/B comparison between the two speakers and see which one I like better.

My setup is:

APC H15 Power Conditioner
Cambridge Audio 540c
Onix SP3
Yamaha V663 Pre/pro
Uncompressed FLAC using Yamaha's DAC.
AV123 X-Sub

) While I do enjoy the sound of the Titan monitors, I feel like I could get more for my money from ID companies.

Maybe you could. You could also help to put another store out of business. Personally I like the relationship you can build with a decent salesperson. I love going to stores and drooling over gear I can't afford but can always listen to anyway.

I don't mean this as a rant, I'm sure most ID companies build good products, I'm just old fashioned. ;)

Quick question for paradigm owners/users:

I know that the most common use/setup is to have the surround speakers like the ADP590's on the sides and the direct firing speakers at the rear.

According to Paradigm, their literature says to use ADP590's on the side wall and rear wall as well.

Is there any configuration which would make having a pair of ADP590's on the sides and on the rear walls work? What my home theater system is missing is that sense of "envelopment" that I've gotten from my previous HT systems and the direct firing speakers just don't seem to be doing the trick. (they are paradigm speakers as well).

Is there any way to use all ADP590's for side and rear surrounds that would create this sense of envelopment? Thanks!

I have the ADP 590's side and rear. I think they give me the best surround I have heard. I will agree that a direct speaker may work better if you room is perfect. Which means the speakers are directly behind your seating position and at least 3-6ft back.

You should try switching that scenario around as far as the side surrounds. Typically, the ADPs would work better in the larger room, to diffuse the sound over a greater area and for the benefit of more listeners.

With directs on the side in your large room, how many seats get the good quality surround sound? If you were comparing only the prime listening position -- it may not be a valid comparision. You may improve on your sound in the larger room that with the ADPs there.

Your bedroom probably has only one or two decent listening positions, so direct firing would be best there.

I would definitely go with with directs for rears, no matter what.

I have switched them, my room is corner loaded, meaning my plasma is in a corner, so my side surrounds are also in corners, so side firing the ADP's did not work in my case. The ADP's tweeters and midrange were aiming directly into a wall on both sides and not down the wall like they should be. You would have to be in my room to see what I meant. If my room was setup like a normal room I'm sure I might feel differently.

As far as the bedroom goes, the walls are too close to the LP (Bed) I have also tried hanging direct firing in there as well, and the speakers are too close. The ADP's are preferred to me for the close proximity.

Hey folks! My brother out in Wisconsin called a dealer, interested in some 20's. The dealer told him he doesn't have any and that Paradigm is discountinuing the line and replacing with something else. Sounds like a mess 'O dung to me.
Anybody hear anything along these lines?

Well, while I'm not technically an owner, I do have a question that relates to the surround question posed a few posts up as I'm saving up for studio 100s. I know it's recommended to use the adp's for the surrounds, but would it be possible/recommended to use 20's or 40s instead to get comparable (or even better?) sound?

Well, while I'm not technically an owner, I do have a question that relates to the surround question posed a few posts up as I'm saving up for studio 100s. I know it's recommended to use the adp's for the surrounds, but would it be possible/recommended to use 20's or 40s instead to get comparable (or even better?) sound?
I have been using 20's for the rears in my 5.1 for a couple of years, I would
suggest at least a minimum of 4ft from behind you.

Looking for help in my 5.1 set-up. I am currently using Studio 20's V3 as my fronts, a CC 470 as my center, and a PS 1000 sub. My room is pre-wired for mounted speakers on the back wall, problem is my couch sits up against the wall. Any recommendations?

Hey folks! My brother out in Wisconsin called a dealer, interested in some 20's. The dealer told him he doesn't have any and that Paradigm is discountinuing the line and replacing with something else. Sounds like a mess 'O dung to me.
Anybody hear anything along these lines?

Anyone? Gino maybe you've heard something? I had the email from the dealer forwarded to me that stated that the studios were "Long in the tooth" and he sold out his stock in anticipation of something new upcoming.....

Anyone? Gino maybe you've heard something? I had the email from the dealer forwarded to me that stated that the studios were "Long in the tooth" and he sold out his stock in anticipation of something new upcoming.....

That would be one of the best kept secrets in audio right now as my dealer
can get v4s and knows of no current replacement.

That would be one of the best kept secrets in audio right now as my dealer
can get v4s and knows of no current replacement.

Paradigm is really slow to upgrade their lines, I think its a bunch of hooey

Off topic for a moment, Ultimate AV Mag *finally* published the measurements of the new Signature v2's.

http://ultimateavmag.com/speakersystems/408parref/index6.html

Pretty respectable performance, though I did expect the C5 to measure better. It is pretty bottom heavy to begin with and off axis it changes character more than I thought it would.

Off topic for a moment, Ultimate AV Mag *finally* published the measurements of the new Signature v2's.

http://ultimateavmag.com/speakersystems/408parref/index6.html

Pretty respectable performance, though I did expect the C5 to measure better. It is pretty bottom heavy to begin with and off axis it changes character more than I thought it would.

I also noticed the impedance did not dip as low as the previous model wonder
why.

A couple of quick questions to fellow Paradigm owners/admirers:

For the Signature line, what type of amplifcation would you recommend and what type of speaker cable?

I've heard that Bel Canto fits very nice with the Signatures that the Kimber 8TC is also a very nice fit as well.

What are you guys using/wanting or recommending? What would be the ideal amp and cable for the Signatures? Thanks!

I don't think you need to look for exotic cables.....

Any amp will work just fine with the Sigs... a nice Parasound Halo would work.

I'm runnin an Icepower amp, it sounds fantastic.... with the 1000ASP modules...

Off topic for a moment, Ultimate AV Mag *finally* published the measurements of the new Signature v2's.

http://ultimateavmag.com/speakersystems/408parref/index6.html

Pretty respectable performance, though I did expect the C5 to measure better. It is pretty bottom heavy to begin with and off axis it changes character more than I thought it would.

Thanks for the link.

Can anyone explain this statement?

"The S8 v.2's impedance phase angle was more capacitive than is typical of most speakers at low frequencies."

Thanks for the link.

Can anyone explain this statement?

"The S8 v.2's impedance phase angle was more capacitive than is typical of most speakers at low frequencies."

It would have been nice had they supplied an impedance and electrical phase
angle chart.

Why am I still having this problem?

All I need is to get the Studio 100's to complete a Paradigm Studio Reference home theater system. (I already have the Studio 20's, CC690 and ADP590's).

BUT. I can get a good price arrangement on the Signature 8's and C5 Center speaker and these are the speakers that are always on my "wish" list plus I have someone who will buy my CC690.

Should I just "get over it" and get the 100's or "go for it" and get the Signatures once and for all? Help.

Why am I still having this problem?

All I need is to get the Studio 100's to complete a Paradigm Studio Reference home theater system. (I already have the Studio 20's, CC690 and ADP590's).

BUT. I can get a good price arrangement on the Signature 8's and C5 Center speaker and these are the speakers that are always on my "wish" list plus I have someone who will buy my CC690.

Should I just "get over it" and get the 100's or "go for it" and get the Signatures once and for all? Help.

The 100's are the best overall value, but if you are looking to get that last 10% of performance AND you want speakers that look as good as they sound AND you have the dispensible income, then get the S8's. You only live once, and you need to live your dreams as much as you can. :D

Can anyone explain this statement?

"The S8 v.2's impedance phase angle was more capacitive than is typical of most speakers at low frequencies."

Capacitive requires more current for a given power level. Inductive requires less. Speaker impedance (the combination of resistance, capacitance, and inductance) varies with frequency, so apparently the S8 v.2s draw more current at lower frequencies than one might expect.

Was that the question? Or did you want to know why these particular speakers would be capacitive at low frequencies?

A little over a year ago I purchased a Monitor 11 system. I have been playing around with the setup since that time and just cannot get it to sound like I think it should.

Here is the setup:

Monitor 11v5 fronts
CC-390 center
ADP-390 surrounds
PW-2100 sub
Integra DTW 6.5 AVR

The room is long and narrow (10X20) with the TV on one end and a couple of HT chairs approximately 10' from the screen. The ADPs are placed almost exactly on either side of the chairs (slightly behind). I have balanced the speakers with a SPL meter.

I know that my setup is very far from ideal, but even for a budget system, I can't help but feel it should sound better. Would an amp such as the Emotiva XPA-5 make a noticable difference? I have been kicking around upgrading teh AVR to a unit that has HDMI in/out, but I am not sure that will make much difference sound-wise.

Any input would be appreciated. This forum (and this thread in particular) has been a great learning experience for a newby like me.

Thanks in advance,

David

A little over a year ago I purchased a Monitor 11 system. I have been playing around with the setup since that time and just cannot get it to sound like I think it should.

Here is the setup:

Monitor 11v5 fronts
CC-390 center
ADP-390 surrounds
PW-2100 sub
Integra DTW 6.5 AVR

The room is long and narrow (10X20) with the TV on one end and a couple of HT chairs approximately 10' from the screen. The ADPs are placed almost exactly on either side of the chairs (slightly behind). I have balanced the speakers with a SPL meter.

I know that my setup is very far from ideal, but even for a budget system, I can't help but feel it should sound better. Would an amp such as the Emotiva XPA-5 make a noticable difference? I have been kicking around upgrading teh AVR to a unit that has HDMI in/out, but I am not sure that will make much difference sound-wise.

Any input would be appreciated. This forum (and this thread in particular) has been a great learning experience for a newby like me.

Thanks in advance,

David
Describe what it is about the sound that is lacking an amp will probably give
you better dynamics and allow you to play louder without clipping if you
purchase one with at least double your power that you have now also some
room treatments can enhance the listening.

I am wondering what paradigm surrounds and centers are timbre-matched to my Monitor 5s (v.3).

I bought the 5s back in 2003 and I am having trouble finding any specs or literature on matching speakers since Paradigm has replaced this speaker with the Titan Monitor. (plus when i search "monitor 5" on this thread, the search engine doesn't like the number '5' for some reason.)

Any help would be appreciated. My center (cc-170 v.2)sounds fine to me, but I am wondering if there is a better match.

I am preferably looking for used older ones that would match, since it may be likely that the latest generation won't match.

Possibilities:
ADP-170 (is there a difference between v.2 and v.3?)?
ADP-150?
ADP-190?
cc-190?
cc-290?


Current Setup
Paradigm Monitor 5s v.3 -fronts
Paradigm CC-170 v.2 (not timbre matched?)
Paradigm PDR-10
Paradigm Atoms -rear
Yamaha RX-V661
PS3
HTPC
Epson Home Cinema 720 Projector

Describe what it is about the sound that is lacking an amp will probably give
you better dynamics and allow you to play louder without clipping if you
purchase one with at least double your power that you have now also some
room treatments can enhance the listening.

It seems to me that I am not getting as much separation as I should. The sounds on both movies and CDs sounds a bit muddled to me. I also have to set the volume level at 65 or so in order clearly hear all of the dialog.

As i mentioned, I am a neophyte when it comes to audio and/or home theater. When you mention room treatments, what do you have in mind?

As far as the amp goes, If the Monitors 11 do not normally require much power, I will save my money and concentrate on other areas. I think the DTR6.5 provides 100 watts. Not sure if that is per channel or not.

Thanks for the response!

David

Hey guys, I was just at a local Paradigm dealer, and was looking at getting a pair of Monitor 9s finally (decided the Studios are probably more than I need at this point), and they have v.5 on clearance for 900, I told him I had been into another dealer a year before and been quoted less than that for Monitor 9s, and he said those would be the v.4s (I thought it was about 3 years in between Paradigm model updates), and he said the difference between them was "huge". "Completely different speaker, 20% more efficient drivers", etc. and then proceeded to tell me he could let them go for $800 (Canadian). When I asked what the difference between the v.5 and v.6 was, he told me it was completely cosmetic differences, which seemed pretty convenient for him (ie, the ones I had been quoted were much lower quality than the ones he was trying to sell me, meanwhile the new version of his isn't different soundwise at all...). Just trying to get your opinions on the situation, and find out what the actual differences between v.4, v.5, and v.6 is.

It seems to me that I am not getting as much separation as I should. The sounds on both movies and CDs sounds a bit muddled to me. I also have to set the volume level at 65 or so in order clearly hear all of the dialog.

As i mentioned, I am a neophyte when it comes to audio and/or home theater. When you mention room treatments, what do you have in mind?

As far as the amp goes, If the Monitors 11 do not normally require much power, I will save my money and concentrate on other areas. I think the DTR6.5 provides 100 watts. Not sure if that is per channel or not.

Thanks for the response!

David

Dialog can be improved if the tweeters are at ear level as for treatments
if you have a lot of hard surfaces within close proximity of the speakers
rugs,curtains and bookshelves help anything to keep those first order reflections down.

Capacitive requires more current for a given power level... so apparently the S8 v.2s draw more current at lower frequencies than one might expect.

That answers it.

Thanks

Why am I still having this problem?

All I need is to get the Studio 100's to complete a Paradigm Studio Reference home theater system. (I already have the Studio 20's, CC690 and ADP590's).

BUT. I can get a good price arrangement on the Signature 8's and C5 Center speaker and these are the speakers that are always on my "wish" list plus I have someone who will buy my CC690.

Should I just "get over it" and get the 100's or "go for it" and get the Signatures once and for all? Help.

Oh Come On! There must be some of you who have the ability to shake me senseless and free me from my total inability to make a decision. Please!

Oh Come On! There must be some of you who have the ability to shake me senseless and free me from my total inability to make a decision. Please!

If its in your budget and you can hear a difference why not for me it was easy
I could not hear thousands of dollars difference.

Oh Come On! There must be some of you who have the ability to shake me senseless and free me from my total inability to make a decision. Please!

Personally I have the signature S8 ver 1 and they deliver some of the cleanest and most revealing midrange and highs I have heard, with that said If I were you and could afford them I would make sure that I had or intended to get a very capable front end since thats the only way to do them justice. Dont know if this makes your decision any easier

I am wondering what paradigm surrounds and centers are timbre-matched to my Monitor 5s (v.3).

I bought the 5s back in 2003 and I am having trouble finding any specs or literature on matching speakers since Paradigm has replaced this speaker with the Titan Monitor. (plus when i search "monitor 5" on this thread, the search engine doesn't like the number '5' for some reason.)

Any help would be appreciated. My center (cc-170 v.2)sounds fine to me, but I am wondering if there is a better match.

I am preferably looking for used older ones that would match, since it may be likely that the latest generation won't match.

Possibilities:
ADP-170 (is there a difference between v.2 and v.3?)?
ADP-150?
ADP-190?
cc-190?
cc-290?


Current Setup
Paradigm Monitor 5s v.3 -fronts
Paradigm CC-170 v.2 (not timbre matched?)
Paradigm PDR-10
Paradigm Atoms -rear
Yamaha RX-V661
PS3
HTPC
Epson Home Cinema 720 Projector

Hi. I had Monitor 5 v.3 fronts matched up with a CC-170 v.3. I also thought they sounded fine together. When the CC-190 v.5 came out I emailed customer service asking if it was timbre matched to the v.3s, they told me it was. I've upgraded to the 190 and am quite happy. It sounds a lot better than the 170. As far as being a better match, sure, I guess so. I don't have 'golden ears' or anything, but I think they're just fine together.

FYI, surrounds are Mini Monitor v.2, sub is an Adire Rava.

Also, I'm trying to attach a Monitor v.4 pdf. At least I think it's v.4. The v.3s were pretty much the same, I think...

Oh Come On! There must be some of you who have the ability to shake me senseless and free me from my total inability to make a decision. Please!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14348478#post14348478

oztech/funlvr1965/hifisponge:

I agree with all of your comments. At most I think you could gain 10%-15% in sound quality going from the Studios to the Signatures but at 3 times the price. I also realize that the Signatures would be so revealing that I would seriously need to get a better front end instead of using my current low/mid category front end that I have now.

Part of me just wants to get the Studio 100 and call it a day since I have the other Studio speakers for a surround sound system. I could use the money that I would have spent on the Signatures on possibly a front projector or something else.

I don't want to have "buyer's remorse" which is probably the main reason I have not made this one purchase yet. I don't want to be thinking while I'm listening to the 100's "I wonder how much better this would sound on the S8's?" and as hifisponge says "you only live once", I'm kind of at that point.

If I was getting a so/so price, I wouldn't be considering it, but my dealer is giving me a very good price and payment schedule which makes it very difficult to turn down this type of offer. I always look ahead at the possibility of selling these speakers down the road on places such as Audiogon. There are many speaker brands which don't normally have a good resale value, but Paradigm definitely does.

I think my Studio CC690 is a very good center speaker and the Studio 20's are nice as well as the ADP590's. Currently Im using the 20's as the mains due to my indecision and would use them as my rear surrounds once I get either the Studio 100's/Signature S8's

I kind of feel that with the good pricing I'm getting (it seems that dealers are being a little bit more aggressive with their pricing maybe due to the economy) and the opportunity to get my "dream" speakers instead of waiting or going with a different level (I still feel the Studios are a great value for good sound).

Jimmy -

I think it is clear from your posts that you would regret not going for the S8's, even though they are not as "practical" as the 100's. This hobby, if you are passionate about it is not about being practical. :D

If it makes you feel better, I have recently spent as much on new speakers as most people do on their primary car! :rolleyes: I'm by no means rich either. So, relatively speaking, your purchase of the S8's is much more practical than I'm being. :o

I am also of the belief that while a high-end front-end (amp, pre, etc.) can make things better, a mid-fi AVR or mid-fi separates will in no way sound "bad" when partnered with a good speaker, given it has the ability to supply enough current to the S8's. Even if it doesn't fully, all that will mean is that you will have to be careful with the maximum volume you listen at.

Best of luck in your decision, if in fact you haven't already made it!

I just got the Monitor 7 V.5 for my L and R speakers.

These do not have that magnetic shielding (magishield or something).

How close can I put things like a VCR,PS3,DVD,DVR? The stand has about 1-2 inch gap from the speakers and the side of the stand is thin metal with holes for the heat to dissipate its like a screen.

I just got the Monitor 7 V.5 for my L and R speakers.

These do not have that magnetic shielding (magishield or something).

How close can I put things like a VCR,PS3,DVD,DVR? The stand has about 1-2 inch gap from the speakers and the side of the stand is thin metal with holes for the heat to dissipate its like a screen.

The primary effect would be to your television, and should in no way affect your other electronics. And if you have a newer LCD, Plasma, or DLP they would not affect it anyway. Non magentic shielded speakers however will affect CRT based televisions, and cause the screen to acquire blotches of blue/green and or red color thereby needing to be de-gaused. Which on newer CRT sets can be done by powering off the set for a few minutes and removing the speakers to a safe distance.

Oh Come On! There must be some of you who have the ability to shake me senseless and free me from my total inability to make a decision. Please!

I am/was in the same predicament as you are Jimmy. I even posted here a few times recently regarding the Studios vs the Signatures. Ultimately I decided on the Studios primarily because I can't afford a HT setup with the Sigs. It would cost around $12000 to get a S8, C5, and ADP surround setup which is way out of budget. I almost got the S8s for the fronts with the Studios center and surrounds but even that was too rich for my blood. You already know that you are not getting 3x the sound quality with the Sigs as the Studios so I think your decision should be based on your answers to the following:

1) Can you really afford the Sigs financially? (Living under a "money no object" philosophy)
2) Are aesthetics important to you or your family?
3) Are you intending to use them primarily for music?

If your answers to those 3 questions are "yes", then no doubt about it pick up the Sigs. If you're answer is "no" for even one of those questions, then the Studios might be the better option. If it's "no" to 2 or more questions, then definitely get the Studios. I don't think the cost is justified in that case. Remember, you can always take advantage of the in-home trial period that most retailers offer. If the Studios leave much to be desired to you in your home, then take them back and try out the Sigs :)

I am/was in the same predicament as you are Jimmy. I even posted here a few times recently regarding the Studios vs the Signatures. Ultimately I decided on the Studios primarily because I can't afford a HT setup with the Sigs. It would cost around $12000 to get a S8, C5, and ADP surround setup which is way out of budget. I almost got the S8s for the fronts with the Studios center and surrounds but even that was too rich for my blood. You already know that you are not getting 3x the sound quality with the Sigs as the Studios so I think your decision should be based on your answers to the following:

1) Can you really afford the Sigs financially? (Living under a "money no object" philosophy)
2) Are aesthetics important to you or your family?
3) Are you intending to use them primarily for music?

If your answers to those 3 questions are "yes", then no doubt about it pick up the Sigs. If you're answer is "no" for even one of those questions, then the Studios might be the better option. If it's "no" to 2 or more questions, then definitely get the Studios. I don't think the cost is justified in that case. Remember, you can always take advantage of the in-home trial period that most retailers offer. If the Studios leave much to be desired to you in your home, then take them back and try out the Sigs :)

I think you're severely limiting the added value of the Sigs. People keep saying they aren't 3x better sound. What does that even mean?

Does a $120 bottle of wine taste 3x better than a $40 bottle? That's just a silly statement.

Bottom line is, if you like the sound and you can afford them, buy them. The Sigs are without question better speakers than the Studios. Whether you can appreciate the sound difference or not, and whether you feel it's worth it/can afford it or not is all that matters. And it's entirely subjective.

Just like with the wine - if you can't taste the difference, then it's not worth it. If you love it, and can afford it, then buy it.

wheres the best place to buy Paradigm's?

wheres the best place to buy Paradigm's?

For new, an authorized Paradigm dealer (check their website). You can't buy on-line.

For used, check audio/videogon.

For new, an authorized Paradigm dealer (check their website). You can't buy on-line.

For used, check audio/videogon.

thats what i thought, dang that sucks.. the nearest Digm dealer is like 100 miles away. :mad:

thats what i thought, dang that sucks.. the nearest Digm dealer is like 100 miles away. :mad:

You _can_ buy new Paradigm online, BUT they are not authorized. So should you have any problems then you would have to work with the vendor for support. But in reality, even if you blew a driver they aren't that expensive to replace.

Google for Audio Liquidators, or you can buy used on Audiogon, E-bay or Craig's list.

What’s the best way to test just the bass drivers in a Studio CC690 center? Can I send it a particular frequency….if so, what frequency can I send to separate it from the Mid/bass drivers? Currently, I suspect something is wrong with my bass drivers only.

Here’s what I’ve tried (test only)- On my receiver, I set the speaker to large with a crossover at 40 Hz (just in case). I’m streaming music to all 7-channels but turned off all other speakers. To test the sound, I’ve removed the bridge clips and connected to each termination post separately. When connect to the highs, it sounds like I’d expect. However, when connect to the lows, I hear some sound from the mid/bass speaker but minimal or nothing from the bass drivers. It’s hard to differentiate from the mid/bass and I don’t hear any pop’s or clicks. If I touch the bass drivers there’s very little movement, likely from the air compression of the mid/bass. Another clue, is the auto setup detects the center as “small” everytime (what I normally use anyways, just a clue). Perhaps, I’m missing something or just expecting more? I went on vacation and just noticed now....

Listened to the Studio 100s the other day and really liked them. It is one of the speakers near the top of my list.

Any of you guys think the dealer might give me a little off MSRP if I ask? I don't like to come off fas a cheapskate, but 10% off would be nice.

Listened to the Studio 100s the other day and really liked them. It is one of the speakers near the top of my list.

Any of you guys think the dealer might give me a little off MSRP if I ask? I don't like to come off fas a cheapskate, but 10% off would be nice.

As I recall, I think someone said dealer cost is 60% of MSRP or around there. If you buy a whole system I'd think 10 to 15 percent off is not unreasonable.

Alternatively, buy used and save ~50% off MSRP.

Thanks, I was wondering what the dealer's cut was.

Listened to the Studio 100s the other day and really liked them. It is one of the speakers near the top of my list.

Any of you guys think the dealer might give me a little off MSRP if I ask? I don't like to come off fas a cheapskate, but 10% off would be nice.

You should expect around 10% a Studio purchase, especially if you do a 5-channel or 7-channel purchase.

What’s the best way to test just the bass drivers in a Studio CC690 center? Can I send it a particular frequency….if so, what frequency can I send to separate it from the Mid/bass drivers? Currently, I suspect something is wrong with my bass drivers only.

Here’s what I’ve tried (test only)- On my receiver, I set the speaker to large with a crossover at 40 Hz (just in case). I’m streaming music to all 7-channels but turned off all other speakers. To test the sound, I’ve removed the bridge clips and connected to each termination post separately. When connect to the highs, it sounds like I’d expect. However, when connect to the lows, I hear some sound from the mid/bass speaker but minimal or nothing from the bass drivers. It’s hard to differentiate from the mid/bass and I don’t hear any pop’s or clicks. If I touch the bass drivers there’s very little movement, likely from the air compression of the mid/bass. Another clue, is the auto setup detects the center as “small” everytime (what I normally use anyways, just a clue). Perhaps, I’m missing something or just expecting more? I went on vacation and just noticed now....

Based on the specs, it looks like the bass drivers take over at 350Hz, but at that frequency you are still going to get the mid/bass drivers into play. I would think that a signal between 100Hz and 60Hz should isolate the bass drivers IF the mid/bass drivers aren't designed to also play down the the speaker's lower limit. At the very least a with a 60Hz signal, the bass drivers should be moving as much or more than the mid/bass drivers.

Here a link to some free test tone downloads:
http://www.stompaudio.com/test-tones-c-6793.html

Hi hifisponge, Many thanks for the speedy reply and help! I'll give that a try. Thanks again!

Hi hifisponge, Many thanks for the speedy reply and help! I'll give that a try. Thanks again!

You should also check what your AVR/pre-pro set the crossover to. If it set it high, then it might be stripping the bass from the center before it even gets there.

So I wouldn't assume right away that it's a problem with the speaker. Turn off all AVR EQ first (e.g. turn off Audyssey in an Onkyo), and make sure all AVR crossovers are off/set low before sending test tones.

You should also check what your AVR/pre-pro set the crossover to. If it set it high, then it might be stripping the bass from the center before it even gets there.

So I wouldn't assume right away that it's a problem with the speaker. Turn off all AVR EQ first (e.g. turn off Audyssey in an Onkyo), and make sure all AVR crossovers are off/set low before sending test tones.

Yes, good point. What he said too. ;)

HifiSponge and Idealty:

HiFi, you know me too well. Last night, I was definitely going with the Studio 100's and to keep it simple, but today was back to the same indecisiveness that has plagued me for months. I went ahead and told the dealer I was going to get the S8's and C5. I have the money and I can do this without creating a financial disaster and I know myself ... I would always wonder how everything would sound through the Signatures if I went with the Studio 100's. The Studio 100's are a great value for the price and it's been a close call for months, but I feel a big sense of relief now (I have to wait for the order since he didn't have a C5 in stock).

However, he does have a paif of S8's in stock and was willing to give me a little bit better pricing on the demo S8's vs. a brand new pair of S8's. I've always had a phobia about buying demo speakers. That's just me. A dealer can tell he it's a month old with 25 hours like he did and I will automatically assume they are older with 500 hours and played at "headbanger" volume. I trust this dealer thought. Shoulder I go with a better price on the demos or go strictly/totally "brand new"? I figure the savings between the two could get me some decent Kimber speaker cable or some other cable. Any suggestions on the demo vs brand new?

Idealty: Good questions! I would say a definite yes to questions 1 and 2. On question 3 - I would say most of my use of these speakers would be for home theater, but at certain times lots of music. The Signature C5 center speaker is one of the best if not the best center channel speaker I've ever heard. (Years ago, I did own an Aerial CC9 that could really kick butt and was very dynamic, but the C5 really is amazing at all that it can do and it is a very seamless blend with the S8's).

For home theater, that center speaker is going to get a huge workout and I want the best and for me, after all of the speakers I've owned or auditioned (within my affordable price range), the C5 is tops. I currently have the Studio CC690 and it's a very good center speaker. For the price, it's great. The C5 is better in almost every way, but just like the S8, it's not 3 times better, but it could be 15% better, maybe 20% but I'm willing to make the price jump to get that extra 15% because of how important home theater is to me and especially the demands of any center channel speaker.

I'm keeping the Studio ADP590 speaker for now because I think it's great and I can't picture spending $3000 for a surround speaker. I also have a pair of Studio 20's and was going to use them as rear surrounds once I got my main speakers (100's or S8), but I feel that using the 20's for rear surrounds is just way too much overkill. If I was really into multi-channel music, then a definite yes, but I listen to stereo music and having the 20's as "effects" speakers for me is a huge waste of money. These 20's can stand on their own as mains (with a little help from a sub).

I appreciate your questions/advice and from everyone on the forum who has helped out and asked questions too and have answered alot of mine. So is it the Demo pair or Brand new S8's? Thanks!

Jimmy -

Congrats on your decision. No regrets!

If the demo pair is in good physical condition, all the drivers are working, and it comes with a warranty, I say go for it and save some $$. It would take some serious punishment to overdrive the S8's, so I doubt they have been abused.

Not even close to the same league as either Revel or Paradigm. As far as I can tell they are intended to appeal to the guy that wants some big-ass speakers with tons of different drivers in them. How the use of four midrange drivers (Legacy Whisper) could ever be considered sound engineering, I'll never understand.

I realize this is a Paradigm thread and I do own the 60's but the above is not only incorrect but total hogwash.:D

The Whisper has only one midrange driver. It does have 4 mid bass drivers and 4 sub-woofers along w/ an in room sensitivity of 95Db though:D. Now I've only auditioned its younger brother "The Focus" and you're right in one aspect, they aren't in the same league... they are in the majors as opposed to A Ball. :D

I do not have any space in my home theater setup right now and i was wondering whether it is safe to put my LCD tv (Sony XBR-4) on top of my CC-690?

It seems like the CC-690 is pretty sturdy can hold the weight of the tv. I think the tv weighs at about 80-90 pounds.

Jimmy,

Much congrats on your purchase! Hopefully it came across in my post that the bottom line is, the Sigs are the better speaker and if you could afford it then go for it. I'm sure you'll get much enjoyment from them.

I'm expecting to receive my Studio 100s, CC690, and ADP590 in the next two weeks. Instead of upgrading to the Sigs, I decided to just do that and purchase an Emotiva XPA-5 amp and use my current Pio-Elite 84 A/V receiver as a pre/pro. I think that the difference in sound with that approach would be better for me than getting the S8s with no money for the C5 and powering them with the Pio A/V receiver. In fact, that would be a waste for the Sigs. If the sigs with the Emotiva are not a justifiable upgrade from my current setup, then I will take them back and save to get the Sigs or another similar caliber speaker next year.

Enjoy your purchase :)

HifiSponge and Idealty:

HiFi, you know me too well. Last night, I was definitely going with the Studio 100's and to keep it simple, but today was back to the same indecisiveness that has plagued me for months. I went ahead and told the dealer I was going to get the S8's and C5. I have the money and I can do this without creating a financial disaster and I know myself ... I would always wonder how everything would sound through the Signatures if I went with the Studio 100's. The Studio 100's are a great value for the price and it's been a close call for months, but I feel a big sense of relief now (I have to wait for the order since he didn't have a C5 in stock).

However, he does have a paif of S8's in stock and was willing to give me a little bit better pricing on the demo S8's vs. a brand new pair of S8's. I've always had a phobia about buying demo speakers. That's just me. A dealer can tell he it's a month old with 25 hours like he did and I will automatically assume they are older with 500 hours and played at "headbanger" volume. I trust this dealer thought. Shoulder I go with a better price on the demos or go strictly/totally "brand new"? I figure the savings between the two could get me some decent Kimber speaker cable or some other cable. Any suggestions on the demo vs brand new?

Idealty: Good questions! I would say a definite yes to questions 1 and 2. On question 3 - I would say most of my use of these speakers would be for home theater, but at certain times lots of music. The Signature C5 center speaker is one of the best if not the best center channel speaker I've ever heard. (Years ago, I did own an Aerial CC9 that could really kick butt and was very dynamic, but the C5 really is amazing at all that it can do and it is a very seamless blend with the S8's).

For home theater, that center speaker is going to get a huge workout and I want the best and for me, after all of the speakers I've owned or auditioned (within my affordable price range), the C5 is tops. I currently have the Studio CC690 and it's a very good center speaker. For the price, it's great. The C5 is better in almost every way, but just like the S8, it's not 3 times better, but it could be 15% better, maybe 20% but I'm willing to make the price jump to get that extra 15% because of how important home theater is to me and especially the demands of any center channel speaker.

I'm keeping the Studio ADP590 speaker for now because I think it's great and I can't picture spending $3000 for a surround speaker. I also have a pair of Studio 20's and was going to use them as rear surrounds once I got my main speakers (100's or S8), but I feel that using the 20's for rear surrounds is just way too much overkill. If I was really into multi-channel music, then a definite yes, but I listen to stereo music and having the 20's as "effects" speakers for me is a huge waste of money. These 20's can stand on their own as mains (with a little help from a sub).

I appreciate your questions/advice and from everyone on the forum who has helped out and asked questions too and have answered alot of mine. So is it the Demo pair or Brand new S8's? Thanks!

Hi Jimmy, Gratz on your new purchase, i just got the same speakers 2 weeks ago(S-8 & C-5 to go with with my Anthem AVM-30,Anthem P-2 & P-5) you are going to love them,very nice speakers...as far as the demo pair, the samething happen to me & my dealer,he had a demo pair of S8s but he would not give me enough $$$ off so i just ordered new ones, it really depends on how much he will take off & if you can live with not never knowing for sure what the demos might have gone though... just my 2cents...anyway hope you enjoy your purchase i think you made a good one;)

Good-Morning,

This is my first post on the AVS forums but I have been reading posts for months now... It seems like everyone here is extremely knowledgeable and helpful. I have a slight problem and was hoping to get some input.

I’ll give you a quick background story. A couple of months ago I purchased a pair of Paradigm Studio 100's with a Studio cc-690 which I love. But things changed and my girlfriend and I bought a new house that we move into this October. The other day I found out from the builder that I cannot finish my basement for 2 years after we move in. What BS is that!!! Anyways, when the basement is finished I plan to set-up a full dedicated home theatre. So now I have to try and convince the girlfriend to let me set-up these monsters in our great room (not going to happen was her reply).

I can’t really live without a 5.1 system for two years; I mean let’s be honesty who really can. So that being said I have decided to sell of my 100's and my cc-690 in order to replace them with a small sub, sat system that can be put into the great room for the time being. I will just have to buy new stuff for the basement when the time comes

I just wanted to get some feedback on a sub + sat system; I’ve always been into the big full-range stuff so I’m really not sure what to look for.

Here are my current components:

Denon 3808ci - processor
Anthem MCA 20 - 2 channel amp
Anthem MCA 30 - 3 channel amp
Samsung BDUP-5000 - bluray/hddvd
Denon DP-300F - turntable

So now that I have no speakers I’m open to suggestions. I’m looking at paradigm products only.

I’m considering the following systems:
System 1
Studio 20's - front
Studio cc-590 - center
Studio ADP590 - rears
Servo 15 x 2 - subs <<<<< with the intention to move them down the my theatre when the time comes.

System 2
Signature S1's - front
Signature C1's - center
Signature 1.5r - rears in-ceiling
Seismic 10 - sub

Should I go with the Studios with the added base (2 x servo 15) or the Signatures with less base (1 x seismic 10)

I listen to 75% movies and 25% music (which includes vinyl, and cd's)

Any suggestions on this? Anyone else using a setup like this in 15x15 rooms? How will this sound for music/movie reproduction?


Thanks in advance fellas

Is it your house or her house?

hahaha, funny. In all honesty who cares, when the time comes to finish the basement I will buy whatever I want. I agree with her, they are way too big to a 15x15 room and I really dont mind down-sizing. Im looking for input here guys, not silly comments.

Looking for somthing that looks, and sounds nice. when the time comes Ill be knee deep in Signature stuff for the basement, really dosnt phase me one bit.

hahaha, funny. In all honesty who cares, when the time comes to finish the basement I will buy whatever I want. I agree with her, they are way too big to a 15x15 room and I really dont mind down-sizing. Im looking for input here guys, not silly comments.

Looking for somthing that looks, and sounds nice. when the time comes Ill be knee deep in Signature stuff for the basement, really dosnt phase me one bit.

I wasn't trying to be funny, good luck.

If I were you, I would buy 3 S1's and 2 S1.5r's. Two to use as fronts and one to use as the center. When you move to the basement you just need to buy one more S1 and you have all 4 rear surrounds(or buy all 4 now and keep one new in box). Add in some S8's and C5 and you're done. Leave the 1.5's in the ceiling for zone 2 music.

Otherwise I'd go system 2 of yours above. If the gf doesn't 2 want huge front speakers in the room, she's not going to want two large subwoofer boxes either.

hahaha, funny. In all honesty who cares, when the time comes to finish the basement I will buy whatever I want. I agree with her, they are way too big to a 15x15 room and I really dont mind down-sizing. Im looking for input here guys, not silly comments.

Looking for somthing that looks, and sounds nice. when the time comes Ill be knee deep in Signature stuff for the basement, really dosnt phase me one bit.
I think your in for a disappointment no one I have ever met was happy after
a downgrade be it speakers or screen size and ended up spending more
money in the long run. The one thing I never understood was how does one
pick up real-estate in a room going from floor-standers to bookshelves on stands if they are positioned up next to walls you have the same image
problem.

I do not have any space in my home theater setup right now and i was wondering whether it is safe to put my LCD tv (Sony XBR-4) on top of my CC-690?

It seems like the CC-690 is pretty sturdy can hold the weight of the tv. I think the tv weighs at about 80-90 pounds.

Salvador I think you'll be okay. I had space issues also, so I have my Mitsubishi 65734 sitting on top of mine and it weighs approx 78 lbs.

I do not have any space in my home theater setup right now and i was wondering whether it is safe to put my LCD tv (Sony XBR-4) on top of my CC-690?

It seems like the CC-690 is pretty sturdy can hold the weight of the tv. I think the tv weighs at about 80-90 pounds.


Salvador, I have had my 50" plasma (100#'s) parked on top of my 690 for well over a year, and it showed no sign of a problem....

I am in the middle of making a shelf to surround the 690 and hold a plasma as in the future I will be looking to upgrade my 50" to a 65" plasma, and I know for a fact I won't be testing those waters....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/HTPics011.jpg

Hi, I currently have Studio 40s and CC570 up front powered by a Parasound HCA-1205A amp (140w/ch) via my Marantz SR7500 receiver. I am wondering whether I could power the Studio 100s with my amp, or would I need a bigger amp. The reason I want the 100s is for more of a buffer in the power handling capability of the 100s as I have blown the tweeters of the 40s before. I have 2 sono-subs for the LFE.

Thanks for your input.

Would the new Studio Espirit make good rear surrounds in a 5.1 setup with Studio 100s up front?

This is my first post on the AVS forums

But things changed and my girlfriend and I bought a new house that we move into this October. The other day I found out from the builder that I cannot finish my basement for 2 years after we move in. What BS is that!!! Anyways, when the basement is finished I plan to set-up a full dedicated home theatre. So now I have to try and convince the girlfriend to let me set-up these monsters in our great room (not going to happen was her reply).

Thanks in advance fellas

Bailout now before it costs you HALF. This is a sign that she is not the one. :eek:

Bailout now before it costs you HALF. This is a sign that she is not the one. :eek:

There is more truth to that than you think when they are not sensitive to your
needs now when married things will only get worse. Thank GOD I married
one that loves this hobby as much as I.

HifiSponge and Idealty:

HiFi, you know me too well. Last night, I was definitely going with the Studio 100's and to keep it simple, but today was back to the same indecisiveness that has plagued me for months. I went ahead and told the dealer I was going to get the S8's and C5. I have the money and I can do this without creating a financial disaster and I know myself ... I would always wonder how everything would sound through the Signatures if I went with the Studio 100's. The Studio 100's are a great value for the price and it's been a close call for months, but I feel a big sense of relief now (I have to wait for the order since he didn't have a C5 in stock).

However, he does have a paif of S8's in stock and was willing to give me a little bit better pricing on the demo S8's vs. a brand new pair of S8's. I've always had a phobia about buying demo speakers. That's just me. A dealer can tell he it's a month old with 25 hours like he did and I will automatically assume they are older with 500 hours and played at "headbanger" volume. I trust this dealer thought. Shoulder I go with a better price on the demos or go strictly/totally "brand new"? I figure the savings between the two could get me some decent Kimber speaker cable or some other cable. Any suggestions on the demo vs brand new?

Idealty: Good questions! I would say a definite yes to questions 1 and 2. On question 3 - I would say most of my use of these speakers would be for home theater, but at certain times lots of music. The Signature C5 center speaker is one of the best if not the best center channel speaker I've ever heard. (Years ago, I did own an Aerial CC9 that could really kick butt and was very dynamic, but the C5 really is amazing at all that it can do and it is a very seamless blend with the S8's).

For home theater, that center speaker is going to get a huge workout and I want the best and for me, after all of the speakers I've owned or auditioned (within my affordable price range), the C5 is tops. I currently have the Studio CC690 and it's a very good center speaker. For the price, it's great. The C5 is better in almost every way, but just like the S8, it's not 3 times better, but it could be 15% better, maybe 20% but I'm willing to make the price jump to get that extra 15% because of how important home theater is to me and especially the demands of any center channel speaker.

I'm keeping the Studio ADP590 speaker for now because I think it's great and I can't picture spending $3000 for a surround speaker. I also have a pair of Studio 20's and was going to use them as rear surrounds once I got my main speakers (100's or S8), but I feel that using the 20's for rear surrounds is just way too much overkill. If I was really into multi-channel music, then a definite yes, but I listen to stereo music and having the 20's as "effects" speakers for me is a huge waste of money. These 20's can stand on their own as mains (with a little help from a sub).

I appreciate your questions/advice and from everyone on the forum who has helped out and asked questions too and have answered alot of mine. So is it the Demo pair or Brand new S8's? Thanks!

Jimmy - I'd say go with the demo pair. I bought a demo pair of S8s v.1 last year and it has worked out very well. They were in perfect condition and sound fabulous:)

I also don't think surrounds are worth huge money if it's mostly for movies. I'm using JM Lab Cache (206 I think) in a 6.1 system as I had JM Labs Chorus S speakers as my mains before the Sigs. I'm using a C3 by the way - it does a great job.

Ken

Hifisponge; Idealty; kencrouch; Jim1961:

After much deliberation, I went for a brand new pair of S8's and C5. I didn't think there was enough difference in price and again, they looked and sounded fine, but I've always had this mental block about buying a demo pair of anything. For that type of money, I wanted "brand new in the box".

So anyway, I"m excited as hell! Finally, I made a decision and it was many months in the making and what a relief.

Ken & hifisponge, it was a close call between the demos vs new. I'm sure I would have loved the demos, but there's something about being the first or only person getting speakers. It's almost like a Christmas gift (you want to be the only one who opens it!) I talked to my dealer yesterday and he told he to take another day to make the decision and when I called him today to order, he had already ordered the new pair of 8's. He knows me too well too! Also, in the time that I've had this mini Paradigm Studio speaker setup, the ADP590's have been great as surrounds and I've also realized how little they actually come into play during a movie (some more than others). I just couldn't justify spending $3000 for Signature surrounds.

Jim1961 - Congrats on your purchase as well. Sounds like we have the same setup, except I don't have the front end that you have. What color did you end up going with and have you received your speakers yet? If so, how do you like the sound so far? Tell All!!

Idealty - You will love your Studio Reference setup. I had all the same speakers you are getting except I held off on getting the Studio 100's until I made a decision on the Studios or Signatures. I'm very impressed with the CC690 Center. It gives you great dynamics, clear dialogue and even some nice bass. What has been your experience with the Emotiva amps combined with paradigm? In one of the reviews I read on the new version 2 Signature 8's, the reviewer was using Mark Levinson amplification and for a short period of time, switched to the Bel Canto amps, and thought the Bel Canto and the Signatures were a great match - very synergistic. I don't know anything about either the Bel Canto's or the Emotiva's. Can you tell me what made you go that direction?

awesome, that puts to rest any doubts i have on whether i can put the xbr4 on top of the cc-690.

thanks guys!!

Salvador, I have had my 50" plasma (100#'s) parked on top of my 690 for well over a year, and it showed no sign of a problem....

I am in the middle of making a shelf to surround the 690 and hold a plasma as in the future I will be looking to upgrade my 50" to a 65" plasma, and I know for a fact I won't be testing those waters....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/HTPics011.jpg

I have my 40"XBR4 on top of my CC-290 and works just great. The added weight on top probably even ends up improving performance by compressing resonance I would imagine.

OhioMike, nice setup

Paradigm Atom Monitor
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/2596372240_893bf900df.jpg?v=0


Paradigm Mini Monitor
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2595536337_f928bccbe1.jpg?v=0

EDIT: never mind, its all correct.

Loving My Paradigm CC-390 :) :cool: :eek:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1074/950747236_3d32797a1d_b.jpg

Also, in the time that I've had this mini Paradigm Studio speaker setup, the ADP590's have been great as surrounds and I've also realized how little they actually come into play during a movie (some more than others). I just couldn't justify spending $3000 for Signature surrounds.



Oh that's easy. Just do all of your music listening in surround and those rears will get plenty of play.

OhioMike, you need to fix your flicr page descriptions. One of them is wrong....

Paradigm Atom Monitor
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/2596372240_893bf900df.jpg?v=0


Paradigm Mini Monitor
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3196/2595536337_f928bccbe1.jpg?v=0

I'm looking and they are both correct. Mini Monitors up front and Atom Monitors in back. Thats the Mini next to the Gladiator DVD which sits beside the CC-290 and the Atom next to the American Psycho poster which is on the back wall. ????????

I'm looking and they are both correct. Mini Monitors up front and Atom Monitors in back. Thats the Mini next to the Gladiator DVD which sits beside the CC-290 and the Atom next to the American Psycho poster which is on the back wall. ????????

sorry my bad... :confused: I thought you just had atoms all around. I corrected my op.

Just a question for you Paradigm pros:

I'm building a home theatre room (well, it's pretty much built). Dimensions are 12.5' (depth) x 16' (wide). It's got DD/GG on all walls, 3D/GG on the ceiling, and is going to be used for movies and television.

I had the chance to hear some Studio 100s the other day, and really liked them. I'm going back to the store with my wife tomorrow to hear them again, along with some B&W 683s.

My questions are:

Are the Studio 100s too big for that size of a room? Should I go with the 60s? I can afford the 100s, but worry that they might be overkill that room.

Would you get the CC590 or CC690?

Also - what receiver would you pair them with? My options include the Pioneer Elite (94), NAD, Denon 3808 and Yamaha 92TXH.


I'm going to eventually have 2 subs in that room, so won't be using the 100s for bass unless in 2-channel listening (about 20-30% of the time).

Thoughts and input are appreciated.

Mike

hi guys,

what on wall mounts has everyone been using for their paradigm surrounds, the sig
adp1's in particular? they weigh approx. 15.5 lbs (each).

also, has anyone heard/purchased the sig center w5? any comments on sq?

thanks - mike

No info on differences between Monitor v.4s, v.5s, and v.6s guys?

[QUOTE=BlaXXXima;14380686]Just a question for you Paradigm pros:

I'm building a home theatre room (well, it's pretty much built). Dimensions are 12.5' (depth) x 16' (wide).

Are the Studio 100s too big for that size of a room? Should I go with the 60s? I can afford the 100s, but worry that they might be overkill that room.

I'm going to eventually have 2 subs in that room, so won't be using the 100s for bass unless in 2-channel listening (about 20-30% of the time).


I have the same room size. I would get the 60's and CC-690.

Just a question for you Paradigm pros:

I'm building a home theatre room (well, it's pretty much built). Dimensions are 12.5' (depth) x 16' (wide).

Are the Studio 100s too big for that size of a room? Should I go with the 60s? I can afford the 100s, but worry that they might be overkill that room.

I'm going to eventually have 2 subs in that room, so won't be using the 100s for bass unless in 2-channel listening (about 20-30% of the time).


I have the same room size. I would get the 60's and CC-690.

The real issue is not so much the room size, but the flexibility you will have for placement of the 100's.

You will need to place the 100's 2-4 feet from any wall. I give a range because you will need to experiment with placement to achieve the proper bass balance. And you will want your couch at least 2-3 feet out from the back wall so you aren't sitting in pressure zone.

If you you don't have this sort of placement flexibility, you may be able to get away with placement of the 100's closer to the walls if you cross them over to a sub, but then the question is do you really need the 100's if you are going to cut them off at the knees? If your room were larger you would at least be getting the use out of the 100's greater output capability, but you don't really need it in a room that size.

If you cannot take the 100's home for a trial before buying, the safer bet would be the 60's.

I wouldn't say that anytime that you are crossing over to a sub, generally at 80hz, that you are cutting them off at the knees... relieving the speakers of roughly 40hz worth of material to something that is far more capable (Sub) is a non issue.... IMO none of the Paradigm speakers are properly built with the intentions to run full range.

The difference between the 60's and 100's is that the 60's are a 2 1/2 way, and the 100's are a 3 way, with the 100's having a touch more clarity with a dedicated midrange driver... Placement of either the 60's or the 100's will likely be almost identical.

My Bedroom is just a touch bigger then that and I run Signature S4's and a C3 ADP-590's and a JL F112 for a sub, equivalent to the Studio 40's and 590.... Its a more then capable system and produces levels over 100db all the while maintaining perfect clarity. I place my speakers 18 - 20 inches from the wall and at least 3-4 ft from any side walls...

My thoughts is that the footprint will be the same either way, so you may as well go with the 100's, and gain the dedicated midrange. Those speakers will be overkill in that small room, but I love overkill... go for it...

[QUOTE=BlaXXXima;14380686]I have the same room size. I would get the 60's and CC-690.

Are you happy with the quality of the sound you get, both in 5.1/7.1 and in 2-channel listening? I only ask this inane question because I don't know if I'll be able to listen to 60s before committing to them, vs. a set of 100s that are on site to listen to.


The real issue is not so much the room size, but the flexibility you will have for placement of the 100's.

You will need to place the 100's 2-4 feet from any wall. I give a range because you will need to experiment with placement to achieve the proper bass balance. And you will want your couch at least 2-3 feet out from the back wall so you aren't sitting in pressure zone.

If you you don't have this sort of placement flexibility, you may be able to get away with placement of the 100's closer to the walls if you cross them over to a sub, but then the question is do you really need the 100's if you are going to cut them off at the knees? If your room were larger you would at least be getting the use out of the 100's greater output capability, but you don't really need it in a room that size.

If you cannot take the 100's home for a trial before buying, the safer bet would be the 60's.

Thanks Hifi. On either side of the front wall, they'll be out about 2 feet due to the sub placement / equipment rack built-in (maybe a little less on the left than the front).

The seats will likely be 1.5-2 feet away from the wall, so not quite as much as you suggested.

That being said, they will be crossed over to a sub for 5.1/7.1 listening, and only them playing for 2-channel music listening, so that's why I thought a more flexible speaker would be a better bet. That extra 'oomph' is nice to have if required.

I'm pretty sure I could get the 100s home if I asked. I'll be buying a PJ, screen and likely the full set of speakers from this store, so I'm sure they'll be happy to accommodate a little.

I wouldn't say that anytime that you are crossing over to a sub, generally at 80hz, that you are cutting them off at the knees... relieving the speakers of roughly 40hz worth of material to something that is far more capable (Sub) is a non issue.... IMO none of the Paradigm speakers are properly built with the intentions to run full range.

The difference between the 60's and 100's is that the 60's are a 2 1/2 way, and the 100's are a 3 way, with the 100's having a touch more clarity with a dedicated midrange driver... Placement of either the 60's or the 100's will likely be almost identical.

My Bedroom is just a touch bigger then that and I run Signature S4's and a C3 ADP-590's and a JL F112 for a sub, equivalent to the Studio 40's and 590.... Its a more then capable system and produces levels over 100db all the while maintaining perfect clarity. I place my speakers 18 - 20 inches from the wall and at least 3-4 ft from any side walls...

My thoughts is that the footprint will be the same either way, so you may as well go with the 100's, and gain the dedicated midrange. Those speakers will be overkill in that small room, but I love overkill... go for it...

Agreed that the speaker placement will be the same. The room has limited flexibility in where I can place them, which is a little unfortunate, but so be it. I can only do what I can :)

See my above reply to Hifi re: flexibility. I agree - could be overkill. On the other hand, I may regret not having that extra range when I want to really enjoy some good quality 2-channel listening.

Going for a 2nd listen to the 100s today. Will do some more recon :)

Thanks for your input lads.

Oh yeah, thoughts on the Denon 3808 being a good receiver for them? I'll do more research tonight, but any preliminary direction I can get I'll take. I have a few other options, but would like to keep it in the $1500 range.

Thanks!

As warpdrv pointed they(100'S) are a true 3-way as will be the 2 center channel options
as for footprint the 60's and 100's both require the same area and distance for proper
sound. On page 9 of the Paradigm owner's manuel they recommend a minimum of 8 inches or more behind the speaker to a wall and as much distance as possible to sidewalls.Most of us that have 100's have found they do sound better with at least a foot
from back wall and 3 feet from a side wall but this is not a given due to room size and
shape since everything in a normal room is somewhat of a compromise.

No info on differences between Monitor v.4s, v.5s, and v.6s guys?

I'm fairly new to Paradigms and have only experienced v.5. I'm sure there is someone who can help you with the sonic differences in v.4/v.5, but v.6 doesn't exist. There is a v.6 of the catalog, but not the actual Monitor speaker line...unless I missed something.

Oops! Turns out that there is a v6. I guess your dealer knows more than me. :o

wish i wouldve gotten the 100's!

Strange... salesguy was trying to sell me v.5s on clearance because the v.6s were coming in... guess I won't be going back there lol.

Idealty - You will love your Studio Reference setup. I had all the same speakers you are getting except I held off on getting the Studio 100's until I made a decision on the Studios or Signatures. I'm very impressed with the CC690 Center. It gives you great dynamics, clear dialogue and even some nice bass. What has been your experience with the Emotiva amps combined with paradigm? In one of the reviews I read on the new version 2 Signature 8's, the reviewer was using Mark Levinson amplification and for a short period of time, switched to the Bel Canto amps, and thought the Bel Canto and the Signatures were a great match - very synergistic. I don't know anything about either the Bel Canto's or the Emotiva's. Can you tell me what made you go that direction?

I have never had nor heard an Emotiva amp. In fact, this is my first separate amp purchase. I've heard the Paradigms with Anthem and B&K amps in the past and thought it sounded great. I haven't been able to do a side by side with different amps since none of my dealers have a setup to allow it. I decided to give Emotiva a try because it seems like superb quality for the price. I mean, I don't think I can really go with for $799 (half the price of my current receiver). If it's not a noticeable upgrade (for whatever reason even though I'm fully expecting it to be) then I'll be taking advantage of the 30-day trial period Emotiva provides.

wish i wouldve gotten the 100's!

What do you currently have?

Oh yeah, thoughts on the Denon 3808 being a good receiver for them? I'll do more research tonight, but any preliminary direction I can get I'll take. I have a few other options, but would like to keep it in the $1500 range.

Thanks!

Get the 3808 for now and add a Rotel 1095 or Anthem MCA50 when money allows.

What do you currently have?

all v.5: monitor 11's, cc-390, mini monitors.

wish i wouldve gotten the 100's!

monitor 11's, cc-390, mini monitors

So do you regret buying the Monitor 11's.

I understand the desire for the Studio 100's, but were you disappointed with the Monitor 11's etc.??

I see that you recently upgraded to them from energy.

I have recently been in contact with a Paradigm dealer and am considering the Monitor 11, CC390's

So do you regret buying the Monitor 11's.

I understand the desire for the Studio 100's, but were you disappointed with the Monitor 11's etc.??

I see that you recently upgraded to them from energy.

I have recently been in contact with a Paradigm dealer and am considering the Monitor 11, CC390's

no disappointment what so ever. i love my setup. i did get a chance to demo the 100's with lexicon seperates and wow. they were so smooth and rich sounding. my biggest decision maker was my budget. there is a hefty difference in price, in my opinion, and i just couldnt pull the trigger on the 100's not knowing when id be able to get the 690 and some studio 20 rears. im the father of a beautiful 21 month old girl and just couldnt manage the price tag diff.

im very satisfied with my v.5 setup. it sounds great but theres always something better. as long as u can deal with that ull be fine with the monitor rig. just look at that cc-390!!!

no disappointment what so ever. i love my setup. i did get a chance to demo the 100's with lexicon seperates and wow. they were so smooth and rich sounding. my biggest decision maker was my budget. there is a hefty difference in price, in my opinion, and i just couldnt pull the trigger on the 100's not knowing when id be able to get the 690 and some studio 20 rears. im the father of a beautiful 21 month old girl and just couldnt manage the price tag diff.

im very satisfied with my v.5 setup. it sounds great but theres always something better. as long as u can deal with that ull be fine with the monitor rig. just look at that cc-390!!!


To add to that, and to TVAddikt, I auditioned the Monitor 11s when looking at options, and really liked them. For the price, they are an exceptional value (about a $900 difference between them and the Studio 60s, and $1900 vs. the 100s).

The are more forward than the Studio 100s (I haven't heard the 60s), but I liked their sound a lot. They are a very efficient speaker, so they play louder at a similar volume to the 100s. I didn't notice any real deficiencies in sound quality vs. the 100s, but you could tell the speaker that you're paying $2000 more for was a nicer sound.

That being said, that's only my opinion, and I'm definitely a neophyte to this process.

Get the 3808 for now and add a Rotel 1095 or Anthem MCA50 when money allows.


Good idea. An amp is in the cards down the road. I'm sinking a ton of $$ into the damn basement, so I have to be a little frugal on the discretionaries :D

Well, by the prices I am seeing if I go the Studio 60's, that will pretty much be it for a while. If I buy the monitor 11's than I could get the center channel and maybe a little more depending on money flow.

What subwoofer did you guys purchase. Did you stick with a paradigm sub or go with something like HSU??

My situation is, first time investor in real speakers. I have debated between Polk, Klipsch (only speakers sold locally) and Paradigm (sold in another city). I have heard good things about all brands. I thought it was impossible to purchase Paradigm but I called the dealer and began chatting with him. I was on the verge of buying Klipsch RF-82 with a RC62 center and a HSU VTF-2 MK 3. Now I am on the fence once again trying to decide.

One unfortunate thing is I live in a small city so I can't audition different speakers. I can only audition the Klipsch. I do not have anything to compare them to. I don't have time (unfortunately) to go driving state to state to assist in making a decision.

Well today I pulled the trigger on my first Paradigm. Decided to stick with the Monitor series, and due to space restraints and a blemised pair in stock, the Monitor 9s stayed at the store, and they only had floor stock Mini Monitors, so those were out... so I ended up only taking home the CC290v.5. Hopefully within the next 3 weeks I should be able to bring home a pair of Monitor 9s and some Minis for rears. I auditioned them again, and loved the sound. Pretty much decided on the Minis instead of the ADP390s as well. Thanks for your advice guys, it really helped me out.

Now the only thing I'll have left to worry about is a sub! :).

all v.5: monitor 11's, cc-390, mini monitors.

Don't be disapointed. You got the better deal IMHO. I got the 100s after trading my 9s V5 in. The 100s aren't $1500 better, or $1100 or so in your case. I don't know what you have for an amp, but the 100s need a good one. The Monitors, OTOH, will sound great with a decent receiver.

Don't be disapointed. You got the better deal IMHO. I got the 100s after trading my 9s V5 in. The 100s aren't $1500 better, or $1100 or so in your case. I don't know what you have for an amp, but the 100s need a good one. The Monitors, OTOH, will sound great with a decent receiver.

yea i know. theres no way i couldve gone with the studios and seperates right away!

I just got the ADP-190's for use with side surrounds in a 7.1 set up.

The rest are Cinema 110's for rears with Monitor 7's for fronts and the CC-290 with Ultra Cube 10. (12x26x9).

We have the S-30 stands and that is what the dealer said would work. The speaker just sits on the stand there is no way to secure it to the stand, there are places on the stand to screw into the bottom for the speaker but the only place screws can go into the the ADP-190's is in the back. Is that the correct stand?
http://www.gibbysaudiovideo.com/images/paradigm-S_Series.jpg

We cant place it on wall because we don't know where we will be placing the seats down there (probably 6 months away from buying them) temporally we have a sofa which we have already moved once.

I just got the ADP-190's for use with side surrounds in a 7.1 set up.

The rest are Cinema 110's for rears with Monitor 7's for fronts and the CC-290 with Ultra Cube 10. (12x26x9).

We have the S-30 stands and that is what the dealer said would work. The speaker just sits on the stand there is no way to secure it to the stand, there are places on the stand to screw into the bottom for the speaker but the only place screws can go into the the ADP-190's is in the back. Is that the correct stand?
http://www.gibbysaudiovideo.com/images/paradigm-S_Series.jpg

We cant place it on wall because we don't know where we will be placing the seats down there (probably 6 months away from buying them) temporally we have a sofa which we have already moved once.
Fashion a L bracket out of wood ,screw base to stands and mount on the L stand
as you would a wall.

Don't be disapointed. You got the better deal IMHO. I got the 100s after trading my 9s V5 in. The 100s aren't $1500 better, or $1100 or so in your case. I don't know what you have for an amp, but the 100s need a good one. The Monitors, OTOH, will sound great with a decent receiver.

I'm thinking about going with Studio 20's and CC590 as my front speaker setup. Do you think the Studio 20's are worth the upgrade in place of getting Monitor 9's(and CC390)? I'll be going for a demo in a few hours to find out for myself. Just wondering your opinion.

I'm thinking about going with Studio 20's and CC590 as my front speaker setup. Do you think the Studio 20's are worth the upgrade in place of getting Monitor 9's(and CC390)? I'll be going for a demo in a few hours to find out for myself. Just wondering your opinion.

You will be in a much better place to figure that out on your own in a few hours. ;)

Truthfully you need to trust the opinion that matters most, your own. But here we go anyway. I never gave the 20s a seriuos listen. I only listened to the 60s and 100s when I went to upgrade. Since the 20s are closer in price to the 9s and therefore IMHO a better value, with the addition of a good sub I think you will be in heaven.

The upgrade from Atoms to Titans would yield some gain in terms of low-end bass extension. If you're looking for some sort of "night and day" transformation, I'm not sure if that upgrade would be drastically different for you. In my audition experience where I heard Atoms, Mini Monitors, and the Titans there was a marked difference in bass response, but I would strongly suggest auditioning if possible through a local dealer to see if it's worth your dollars.

An upgrade to the Studio series would likely require you to upgrade your center channel as well. The general consensus on these forums is that you want as much of a "match" as possible across the front soundstage. So if you did go with Studios, you might have to go up to the CC-590 center channel to ensure timbral matching- extra budget expenditure there.

The Atoms would likely be fine as rears- rear speakers don't necessarily HAVE to match the fronts, so you could transition your Atoms to surrounds and back surrounds in a 7.1 system.

If I can make a recommendation, I might forego the Studios (if you are happy with the Monitor series) and upgrade your fronts to something like the Titans or maybe Monitor 7's as well as upgrading that sub. If you have any desire for more/better bass, you can do a lot better than that PDR-8 sub for your money especially from a different brand- look at eD, Epik, SVS, HSU, etc. You'll end up getting a lot more bang for your buck. Just a suggestion though...good luck.

-Tyler


Okay, so now I have the chance to buy either the Monitor 9 v.4 or the Monitor 7 v.5 for the same price (around $400). I would really like the 9's, but I'm worried they are much too much for a room about 14' x 18'. I think the the 9 v.4 are more comparable to the 7 v.5's?? As far as I see, the 7's are 5 1/2" drivers while the 9's are 8". Big difference. I guess if I do upgrade to the 9's, would need to upgrade the CC-170 center channel and the PDR-8 subwoofer at some point. But hopefully a big upgrade over the Atoms.

All this would be powered by my Yamaha RX-V663 / HTR-6160 A/V receiver, and I've also heard that the 9's need a lot of power to sound right.

Okay, so now I have the chance to buy either the Monitor 9 v.4 or the Monitor 7 v.5 for the same price (around $400). I would really like the 9's, but I'm worried they are much too much for a room about 14' x 18'. I think the the 9 v.4 are more comparable to the 7 v.5's?? As far as I see, the 7's are 5 1/2" drivers while the 9's are 8". Big difference. I guess if I do upgrade to the 9's, would need to upgrade the CC-170 center channel and the PDR-8 subwoofer at some point. But hopefully a big upgrade over the Atoms.

All this would be powered by my Yamaha RX-V663 / HTR-6160 A/V receiver, and I've also heard that the 9's need a lot of power to sound right.

I don't think you would be disapointed with the 9v4 at all. I had a pair of those and then got a pair of v5. I did however like the new ones better. Less bass but overall better sound. I think the mid frequencies are improved on the newer versions, maybe because of the smaller drivers and less low extension. That said, the 7s will probably be fine as long as you are using a competent sub. They will probably be a little less sensitive to placement closer to a wall too, if thats a factor.
You are going to listen to both and decide that way though, right? ;)

the 20s are closer in price to the 9s and therefore IMHO a better value, with the addition of a good sub I think you will be in heaven.

You couldn't have been more right! After listening to both systems last night back and forth with some movies I decided I couldn't pass up the 20's. They just sound too good. I ordered the studio 20's and cc590 in cherry(per the wife's instructions). Now the countdown has begun.

I don't think you would be disapointed with the 9v4 at all. I had a pair of those and then got a pair of v5. I did however like the new ones better. Less bass but overall better sound. I think the mid frequencies are improved on the newer versions, maybe because of the smaller drivers and less low extension. That said, the 7s will probably be fine as long as you are using a competent sub. They will probably be a little less sensitive to placement closer to a wall too, if thats a factor.
You are going to listen to both and decide that way though, right? ;)

Unfortunately, I can't listen to the 9's. Someone would be coming from out of town to meet me on the way to a concert. I did listen to the 7's last night and they sound fine.

Unfortunately, I can't listen to the 9's. Someone would be coming from out of town to meet me on the way to a concert. I did listen to the 7's last night and they sound fine.

When I had my v5 9s I wouldn't have wanted to go back to the V4s. If that helps. Other than some LF extension I don't think there is much different between the 7s or the 9s v5, so the 7s should be pretty good.

Unfortunately, I can't listen to the 9's. Someone would be coming from out of town to meet me on the way to a concert. I did listen to the 7's last night and they sound fine.

During the course of my auditions I listened to the Monitor 7's and 9's without a sub, and I preferred the 9's over the 7's. My first impression were that the 7's were a little too close in performance to the Titan monitors, and the 9's offered an appreciable performance difference, but as others said YMMV.

-Tyler

During the course of my auditions I listened to the Monitor 7's and 9's without a sub, and I preferred the 9's over the 7's. My first impression were that the 7's were a little too close in performance to the Titan monitors, and the 9's offered an appreciable performance difference, but as others said YMMV.

-Tyler

That may make all the difference in the world. Since he will be using a sub, the differences may be less noticable.
But I agree with you in that context.

Without considering the subwoofer which of these systems do folks recommend? I have two dealers in the area, but they don't have anything I can demo right now.

One of my primary considerations is that the speakers fit with may large AV wall unit, I have plenty room for the center but the LR speakers are only 7 1/2" width max.

Paradigm

1.-------------
Atom Monitor for LR
CC-190 for center
ADP-390 for surrounds

2.-------------
Millenia™ 20 for LCR
Millenia™ ADP for surrounds

3.-------------
Signature S1 for LC
Signature C1 for center
Signature ADP1 for surrounds

I have had a set of Studio 100's v3 for a number of years. Started with a Sony ES recever rated at 110 wpc. Did not do it. Based on my experience you will not get the best from these speakers using a reciever. I forget the exact freq where it bottoms but the impedance goes to under 2 ohms on the 100's v3, perhaps the v4 are different.

This comment usually generates responces from a large number of people who do not agree with me. That is fine, if you have any specific questions PM me. I do agree that they need 18 inches at least between the wall and their back edge.

Oh yeah, thoughts on the Denon 3808 being a good receiver for them? I'll do more research tonight, but any preliminary direction I can get I'll take. I have a few other options, but would like to keep it in the $1500 range.

Thanks!

I have had a set of Studio 100's v3 for a number of years. Started with a Sony ES recever rated at 110 wpc. Did not do it. Based on my experience you will not get the best from these speakers using a reciever. I forget the exact freq where it bottoms but the impedance goes to under 2 ohms on the 100's v3, perhaps the v4 are different.

This comment usually generates responces from a large number of people who do not agree with me. That is fine, if you have any specific questions PM me. I do agree that they need 18 inches at least between the wall and their back edge.

For what it's worth, I agree with you... Get a quality amp that will be clean and consistent down to low ohms (2 or 1). You'll be much happier.

Check out the Anthem and Anthem Statement amps, too. Not sure about the price ranges (the Statements are probably a little high for the price he mentions, but worth looking at).

Blown tweeters normaly indicated distorted signal from the amp. That would indicate that the amp would not be a match to the 100's. I must admit I am puzzled that a Parasound 140w/ch amp could not cleanly drive a pair of 40's. I have never had one of their amps but have been under the impression that they were very solid, nor do the 40's have a reputation of being hard to drive as the 100's do for that matter. You might have another problem.


Hi, I currently have Studio 40s and CC570 up front powered by a Parasound HCA-1205A amp (140w/ch) via my Marantz SR7500 receiver. I am wondering whether I could power the Studio 100s with my amp, or would I need a bigger amp. The reason I want the 100s is for more of a buffer in the power handling capability of the 100s as I have blown the tweeters of the 40s before. I have 2 sono-subs for the LFE.

Thanks for your input.

Blown tweeters normaly indicated distorted signal from the amp. That would indicate that the amp would not be a match to the 100's. I must admit I am puzzled that a Parasound 140w/ch amp could not cleanly drive a pair of 40's. I have never had one of their amps but have been under the impression that they were very solid, nor do the 40's have a reputation of being hard to drive as the 100's do for that matter. You might have another problem.

You can clip any amp if you drive it hard enough it also gets easier to do if
you run your speakers large or fullrange with lots of dynamic material cranked.

hi to all, sorry if this is a repost of a former question but this is a huge thread. have owned S8 for 2 years now & am curious how much better the "new" version is, particularly in the treble, but also in width of soundstage & imaging. current system is almost all cary audio (cinema 11 SSP, 303/300 CD, CAD 500 monoblocks, DVD 6) with a classe cdp-500 preamp for 2 channel music only. my primary complaint about my S8 is a touch of steeliness in the treble at times, which i have generally been able to get rid of but would seriously consider buying th new S8 if there is a significant improvement in the treble. so far no dealer in indy has in stock any of the new signature speakers so have not had the opportunity to hear them, & am really curious how much of an improvement the "new" version is, again particularly in the treble. even if i buy the new version doubt i would sell my current speakers so has anyone else mixed the 2 versions & how did they fare, again particularly in the treble. the mix of old version & new version would only affect home theater, if i bought the new S8 it would be used for the fronts for 2 channel music & one or both of the old S8 would be used as a center.

I'm seriously thinking about buying a pair of Studio 100s for fronts in a 5.1 system. The speakers would go into the "media" niche pictured in the family room of this floor plan - against the left and right protruding walls, with a low cabinet/tv stand separating them.

http://www.nicoleandelliot.com/galeroo/images/house/before/afirstfloor.jpg

Niche depth is 30", the speakers are apparently 17" deep. Niche width is just over 60".

Will the speakers be too close to the back wall? Will the side walls negatively impact the sound? I was planning on placing them such that the front edge of the speakers line up with the front edge of the niche.

Thanks!

I think that tight of a space will seriously compromise the sound.

I think that tight of a space will seriously compromise the sound.

Thanks for the quick reply! How do you think the sound would be influenced? Is there anything I could do to mitigate the negative impact of the niche?

I would assume that any speaker put in that location would similarly be affected...is this correct? What do others do in this situation?

It will more than likely make mid/midbass boomy , soundstage would suffer and yes
almost any speaker ,what about the wall facing the bedroom how long is it.

Thanks for the quick reply! How do you think the sound would be influenced? Is there anything I could do to mitigate the negative impact of the niche?

I would assume that any speaker put in that location would similarly be affected...is this correct? What do others do in this situation?

Too some degree, yes, the performance of placing any speaker in a niche will be affected by by being surrounded by walls. However, you can at least minimize the effect by going with a high quality stand mount speaker and using a sub to fill in the bottom end. The reason being is that near-wall placement has the greatest affect on the bass, so full-range floorstanders are probably the least optimal choice. Even with the stand-mounts, you are going to want to have the face of the speakers 6 - 12 inches in front of the niche so that you don't have the sound reflecting off of the face of the niche and smearing the imaging of the speakers.

Not sure if you have kids or how formal your living style is. If you have kids and tend towards casual (over formal), what about making the "Dining Room" the media room and put your dining room table into the Family Room?

You can control lighting better, you can match the size of your TV screen with the viewing distance of the couch, you can set up 5.1/7.1 configuration easier, etc. And, you can still wire up the living room with decent monitor speakers and sub for audio listenting.

If you have kids, you can then use the media center nook for a smaller TV so they can have a place to watch their movies while the adults have their own space.

Anyhow, that is what we did.

(Oh, I have Studio 100 v.2's and love them! But don't stick them in a box).

Not sure if you have kids or how formal your living style is. If you have kids and tend towards casual (over formal), what about making the "Dining Room" the media room and put your dining room table into the Family Room?

That's a good idea if you can get approval to do it. :;)

Thanks, folks. Our family room is prewired for 5.1 surround, so it would be really easy to place the speakers in the "default" positions established by the architecture.

The dining room is a no-go because of a low WAF. The other wall (against the bedroom) is a no-go because it's in a corner and would make for awkward furniture placement.

Lots of my neighbors went with in-ceiling speakers because the L/R/S speaker wires actually terminate in the ceilings, but from what I've heard of them they sound like trash. I don't think I'd ever find the sound from in-ceilings to be acceptable.

I'm trying to stay away from on-walls, too, since my listening tendencies are about 50/50 music to movies.

Can the ports on the Studio 100s be "stuffed" or otherwise blocked to reduce bass output?

Thanks, folks. Our family room is prewired for 5.1 surround, so it would be really easy to place the speakers in the "default" positions established by the architecture.

The dining room is a no-go because of a low WAF. The other wall (against the bedroom) is a no-go because it's in a corner and would make for awkward furniture placement.

Looks like you are limited to that location. At this point you'll just have to make the best of it (which isn't a bad thing). Make sure you get a receiver/pre pro that has room correction.

Can the ports on the Studio 100s be "stuffed" or otherwise blocked to reduce bass output?

I would not recommend that.

I also would not recommend stuffing the ports as the speaker is not designed to act as
a sealed unit. Place them and hope for the best also buy something with room correction
as was already mentioned.

As it turns out, it's 76" wide by 31" deep. Does this help my cause?

How effective is room correction? Is the Anthem $tatement the only pre/pro that offers this capability?

I could probably tear out the fireplace for less than the cost of that puppy!

:eek:

Just in case there might be someone in east Tennesse, western North Carolina or upstate South Carolina looking for a good deal on a pair of two month old Studio 60's and a one month old CC-690 center, I have them for sell and thought I would pass along a good saving on both to any AVS members in my area. I am just an individual, not a dealer, and trying to possibly help someone out since I'll be selling mine. Please PM if interested, thanks.

Not sure if you have kids or how formal your living style is. If you have kids and tend towards casual (over formal), what about making the "Dining Room" the media room and put your dining room table into the Family Room?

You can control lighting better, you can match the size of your TV screen with the viewing distance of the couch, you can set up 5.1/7.1 configuration easier, etc. And, you can still wire up the living room with decent monitor speakers and sub for audio listenting.

If you have kids, you can then use the media center nook for a smaller TV so they can have a place to watch their movies while the adults have their own space.

Anyhow, that is what we did.

(Oh, I have Studio 100 v.2's and love them! But don't stick them in a box).

While the OP has already ruled this option out, I think that it is worth mentioning that the dining room would be a bad idea purely from an acoustic standpoint. Square rooms = really bad standing wave problems.

As it turns out, it's 76" wide by 31" deep. Does this help my cause?

How effective is room correction? Is the Anthem $tatement the only pre/pro that offers this capability?

I could probably tear out the fireplace for less than the cost of that puppy!

:eek:

The Integra prepro and the Denon prepro both have Audyssey room correction. It's not as tweakable as the Anthem, but if properly calibrated it will address most of not all of the problems in the bass caused by near wall placement. The Denon offers more options for the EQ curves but it is just about as expensive as the Anthem. The alternative is to get a mid-level Denon and use it as a prepro, OR you could just go for the Denon 5308 AVR and get the amp and pre all in one. I drove S8's off of the Denon 5800 AVR with no complaints.

But again, get the face of the speakers out in front of the face of the nook so you don't destroy the imaging of the speakers. No EQ will adress this.

Just in case there might be someone in east Tennesse, western North Carolina or upstate South Carolina looking for a good deal on a pair of two month old Studio 60's and a one month old CC-690 center, I have them for sell and thought I would pass along a good saving on both to any AVS members in my area. I am just an individual, not a dealer, and trying to possibly help someone out since I'll be selling mine. Please PM if interested, thanks.

PM sent

It's getting exciting now! In a few short hours I will be picking up Studio 20's and a CC590 in cherry. I will also get a new Elemental Audio sub amp, which is 2 1/2 times more powerful than the old one(250 watt). Everything will get hooked up for the first time in 3 months, since flood waters destroyed my basement. Should be a whole new experience in my "Theater Room". I can't wait to be able to watch movies again.

Hi Folks.

I have completed my upgrades and will not be doing a 7.1 so... I have a few items up for sale.

1 pair of studio 20's rosenut with stands. v.5. boxes and packaging you would think they are brand new.

In the box, wife and daughter bought them for me on Fathers day, I used them for less then 4 months and went the studio60 route.

1- ps1200 sub v2.
This was used for about 16-18 months just picked up the servo15.
No box, and you can tell it's used.

If interested please PM me for full details, pictures. I am in the Toronto area.

All speakers were run off a P5 amp and anthem avm50.

But again, get the face of the speakers out in front of the face of the nook so you don't destroy the imaging of the speakers. No EQ will adress this.

Thanks, Tim. How far out are you suggesting? Like "A" below, or like "B"

http://pubcomm-29.ucdavis.edu/images/layout.jpg

Thanks, Tim. How far out are you suggesting? Like "A" below, or like "B"

http://pubcomm-29.ucdavis.edu/images/layout.jpg

Option B would be better than A, but even option A should be acceptable.

You should also play with the position of the speakers within the range between A and B to get the best bass balance. Start with the speakers at A, play a song with good bass content and listen to the bass quality. Then move the speakers to point B and listen to the same track again. Then go half way between A & B and listen again. Pick the two points that sound the best and then move the speaker just a few inches at a time in between those two points until you find the spot that sounds best.

Option B would be better than A, but even option A should be acceptable.

You should also play with the position of the speakers within the range between A and B to get the best bass balance. Start with the speakers at A, play a song with good bass content and listen to the bass quality. Then move the speakers to point B and listen to the same track again. Then go half way between A & B and listen again. Pick the two points that sound the best and then move the speaker just a few inches at a time in between those two points until you find the spot that sounds best.

I agree with this and would only add that you do it over a few weeks rather than one afternoon or evening. IMO it's a lot easier to notice a change in sound after you get used to hearing something over time.

Start with option B and listen to the same 3 or 4 of your favorite songs/movie scenes every day for a week. Then move them halfway between A and B and do the same thing for another week and again for position A the 3rd week. Take notes on the 3 positions, you'll know which one you like best, then you can fine tune the placement moving the speakers in smaller increments and playing with toe in.

Most people keep their speakers for years but want them set up perfectly in hours. Take your time and enjoy them.

I know I should know this answer, but what is the best way to detemine the best crossover for speakers to the sub? I know that most people I ask always say 80hz, but if my speakers are flat to 50 hz or 60 hz, wouldn't that be a better crossover point to the subwoofer?

I know I should know this answer, but what is the best way to detemine the best crossover for speakers to the sub? I know that most people I ask always say 80hz, but if my speakers are flat to 50 hz or 60 hz, wouldn't that be a better crossover point to the subwoofer?

See post above yours. :)

Set your speakers to "large" and play your 3-4 favorite songs with no sub. Next set them to "small" set crossover to 80 and add the sub. Play 3-4 favorite songs. Do they sound better or worse? Set crossover to 60 and repeat. Continue changing the crossover point until you're happy with the sound.

I know I should know this answer, but what is the best way to detemine the best crossover for speakers to the sub? I know that most people I ask always say 80hz, but if my speakers are flat to 50 hz or 60 hz, wouldn't that be a better crossover point to the subwoofer?


The best way to determine what you crossover is to let the room decide...

You should use a SPL meter and test tones and chart your rooms reaction to each setting. Set speakers at small and cross at 80hz and start running test tones with sweeps from 20hz up past 100hz and do the same with different crossover settings like 60 hz.. Your are looking to have the best integration or smoothness at your crossover setting, and not have a big dropout in the response.

Antother way would be to use a Laptop running a program like REW that does the sweeps and plots the results on screen showing you direct feedback....

So because every room is different, you must therefore find the best result that works in your room... Let your room decide...

Have the v.6 monitor line been discussed at all here?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/

They were but when the Database went MIA so did the posts about them :p

The best way to determine what you crossover is to let the room decide...

You should use a SPL meter and test tones and chart your rooms reaction to each setting. Set speakers at small and cross at 80hz and start running test tones with sweeps from 20hz up past 100hz and do the same with different crossover settings like 60 hz.. Your are looking to have the best integration or smoothness at your crossover setting, and not have a big dropout in the response.

Antother way would be to use a Laptop running a program like REW that does the sweeps and plots the results on screen showing you direct feedback....

So because every room is different, you must therefore find the best result that works in your room... Let your room decide...

Is the "REW" software free somewhere? What is necessary for it to operate
(I intend to use my Desktop run the program)? Mikes, SPL meter (ratshack)?

:confused:

I am not here to debate the value of bi-amping. I just have a technical question.

If you split the rca cable from the Pre/Pro to two amps, then run speaker wire from the two amps, one to the top set of connectors on the speaker and one to the bottom, with the strap removed, is there a need for an additional crossovers? Or will the speaker still use it's internal crossover to
send just the high signal to the tweater and mid and just the low signal to
the woofers?

I am not here to debate the value of bi-amping. I just have a technical question.

If you split the rca cable from the Pre/Pro to two amps, then run speaker wire from the two amps, one to the top set of connectors on the speaker and one to the bottom, with the strap removed, is there a need for an additional crossovers? Or will the speaker still use it's internal crossover to
send just the high signal to the tweater and mid and just the low signal to
the woofers?

No need for external crossovers. The internal crossovers still do their job. Just make sure you do remove the straps.

Have the v.6 monitor line been discussed at all here?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/

The prices seem significantly cheaper, the atom is only 149 as compared to the current $299 V.5

The prices seem significantly cheaper, the atom is only 149 as compared to the current $299 V.5

I don't think prices have changed at all. The catalog is listing the price per speaker instead of the price per pair.

Question for you Studio owners. Was there a noticeable improvement in sound quality after the recommended 40 hour break in time?

Is the "REW" software free somewhere? What is necessary for it to operate
(I intend to use my Desktop run the program)? Mikes, SPL meter (ratshack)?

:confused:

Yes, Room EQ Wizard is freeware, though I think you need to sign up for the forum that it is posted on.

http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/

You can supposedly use the rat shack meter as a measurement mic, but only for low frequencies as the mic in the rat shack meter is useless in terms of accurate readings in the mids and highs. The best thing to do would be to get a good quality measurement mic and mic preamp/phantom power supply.

Like these:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--AUDTR40
http://www.zzounds.com/item--ARTPHANII

I am not here to debate the value of bi-amping. I just have a technical question.

If you split the rca cable from the Pre/Pro to two amps, then run speaker wire from the two amps, one to the top set of connectors on the speaker and one to the bottom, with the strap removed, is there a need for an additional crossovers? Or will the speaker still use it's internal crossover to
send just the high signal to the tweater and mid and just the low signal to
the woofers?

That's the definition of passive bi-amping, using the speaker's crossovers. Active bi-amping (which is the only way you'll actually hear any difference), is when you use external crossovers and bypass the speaker crossovers.

I am not here to debate the value of bi-amping. I just have a technical question.

If you split the rca cable from the Pre/Pro to two amps, then run speaker wire from the two amps, one to the top set of connectors on the speaker and one to the bottom, with the strap removed, is there a need for an additional crossovers? Or will the speaker still use it's internal crossover to
send just the high signal to the tweater and mid and just the low signal to
the woofers?

That's the definition of passive bi-amping, using the speaker's crossovers. Active bi-amping (which is the only way you'll actually hear any difference), is when you use external crossovers and bypass the speaker crossovers.

:rolleyes: Good thing Ag he didn't want to debate bi-amping.

Anyone with an idea how much it would cost to replace the grill cover on a Milliena 300 speaker...Thanks...PeteB

Anyone with an idea how much it would cost to replace the grill cover on a Milliena 300 speaker...Thanks...PeteBCall your dealer or Paradigm directly. Especially if the speakers are still covered. I have had very good customer service with Paradigm when it came to replacing items.

What do you guys think about 100's front-CC570 center-60's side and 20's rear? I like SACD's and can't find a good arguement against this setup. Paradigm wants me to use ADP's for all surrounds but the sides are the issue for music. I can't imagine the rears would matter, however with blu-ray music around the corner the 7.1 music tracks may be nearer than we think. I currently employ 60's front-cc570 center-20's sides and A/D/S L-520 rears. I would like to read some opinions. Thanks in advance.

What do you guys think about 100's front-CC570 center-60's side and 20's rear? I like SACD's and can't find a good arguement against this setup. Paradigm wants me to use ADP's for all surrounds but the sides are the issue for music. I can't imagine the rears would matter, however with blu-ray music around the corner the 7.1 music tracks may be nearer than we think. I currently employ 60's front-cc570 center-20's sides and A/D/S L-520 rears. I would like to read some opinions. Thanks in advance.


I think that would be a mighty impressive setup, and a good choice for multichannel music...

You are correct in thinking the ADP's will not work so well for Multichannel, they just smear sound. OK for movies, but def. no go for music.

I have both in two different setups, adp's for side surrounds for 1 and 20's for the other, and I much prefer the direct radiating for music and movies, far more precision in the experience. Always makes me snap my neck, to the right or left "what was that".

There are some good deals on audiogon... http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1223287877 The 20's should be more then plenty for rear, in fact they are phenomenal on their own as 2 way speakers.

I think that would be a mighty impressive setup, and a good choice for multichannel music...

You are correct in thinking the ADP's will not work so well for Multichannel, they just smear sound. OK for movies, but def. no go for music.

I have both in two different setups, adp's for side surrounds for 1 and 20's for the other, and I much prefer the direct radiating for music and movies, far more precision in the experience. Always makes me snap my neck, to the right or left "what was that".

Not sure where you live, but if you can swing it, get 100's to match the fronts, there are some good deals on audiogon... http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1223287877 The 20's should be more then plenty for rear, in fact they are phenomenal on their own as 2 way speakers.Thanks. I've been on the fence with this for over a year. Surround speakers are relatively cheap compared to direct radiating speakers, but I love my 20's on the sides and I think I'm going to move them to the rear and get the 100's for the front. There must be more profit in the ADP's because Paradigm insist on me buying them as opposed to the 100's in my setup.

Thanks. I've been on the fence with this for over a year. Surround speakers are relatively cheap compared to direct radiating speakers, but I love my 20's on the sides and I think I'm going to move them to the rear and get the 100's for the front. There must be more profit in the ADP's because Paradigm insist on me buying them as opposed to the 100's in my setup.

I think if you have a rectangular room with side walls with no windows or
large openings to other rooms ADP'S probably work great I and others don't
so imo the direct radiating works great I have been using 20's for rears for
years would love to have the space to run 5 of the 100's.

I think if you have a rectangular room with side walls with no windows or
large openings to other rooms ADP'S probably work great I and others don't
so imo the direct radiating works great I have been using 20's for rears for
years would love to have the space to run 5 of the 100's.Don't just stop there! CC-690 Center and six 100's. A Def Tech SuperCube Reference Sub and let the show begin!

Don't just stop there! CC-690 Center and six 100's. A Def Tech SuperCube Reference Sub and let the show begin!

I was with you up to the Def Tech SuperCube Sub. Doesn't belong in the same room with 6 100s and a 690. :D

I was with you up to the Def Tech SuperCube Sub. Doesn't belong in the same room with 6 100s and a 690. :DSorry you had a bad experience with the supercubes. However, in the words of your very own "Agent Zero"....Mine is Clack-a-lac-can!

TRT:
Thanks for the reply. Dealer is going to order a new grill. Two year olds and speakers don't mix..Thanks again..PeteB

I was with you up to the Def Tech SuperCube Sub. Doesn't belong in the same room with 6 100s and a 690. :D
Throw in 2 PB Ultra 13's instead of the Def-Tech now your talking.

Sorry you had a bad experience with the supercubes. However, in the words of your very own "Agent Zero"....Mine is Clack-a-lac-can!

:D

EAGLES, PHILLIES, FLYERS, SIXERS.

Who is Agent Zero? :D

Deadskins, Gizzards, Gnats, Small letters

Does he play for one of those teams?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!!!
Thanks

What's your budget?

What's your budget?
~$600/pr (inc stands)

~$600/pr (inc stands)

Way too low. :D:D

Save your pennies and get some Dali Mentors or Focal JM Labs Sib&Co.

(it's fun spending other people's money) :D

Ok, I'll save my welfare checks and food stamps until I can afford some Dali's or Sib's... :D

In the meantime, I'd like to find a decent solution for my rear sats without spending another $1k+ for them right now. Might be in a different home in a few years which may be more acoustically accomodating to ADP's. At that point, I'd prob look to upgrade to the Millenia ADP's. Until then, I'd like to find a decent solution for the rears to hold me over until I have a more accomodating room. I've also had to buy a new AVR and still need a new sub so unfortunately, the rears are at the bottom of the HT upgrade budget totem pole for now.

With that said, which makes you want to puke less??? Going with something like a Cinema 110 or DT Gem as rears for this setup?

Go with which ever is cheaper. If your listening to mostly movies rear sound quality is not that big a deal. Most of what you're getting from the rears are explosions and sound effects. If you plan of listening to SACDs then go for the pair that sound better.

On a off topic side note, looking at your floor plan and making the assumption that you have a basement, if your home was on a 1 1/2 acre lot where I live it would go for close to 7 figures. A far cry from welfare and food stamps. :)

Go with which ever is cheaper. If your listening to mostly movies rear sound quality is not that big a deal. Most of what you're getting from the rears are explosions and sound effects. If you plan of listening to SACDs then go for the pair that sound better.

On a off topic side note, looking at your floor plan and making the assumption that you have a basement, if your home was on a 1 1/2 acre lot where I live it would go for close to 7 figures. A far cry from welfare and food stamps. :)

Ok, thanks for the input. 90% of usage will be for movies/TV. I'm leaning towards the Gems for various reasons, but wasn't sure if it would be like mixing oil and water with the Millenia's. I demo'd the Mythos 1's during this process and they sounded like nails on a chalk board to me so I guess that was the basis of my concern.

You like the Sib's that much? I haven't had an opportunity to listen to them.

OT: Unfortunately, we made the mistake of not building a basement in the current house. Hence, earlier comment about maybe moving in a few years as we really would like to have one. While appreciating sharply (and retaining value well in the current environment), property values in general within the Charlotte, NC metro area are prob not as high as they are in the upper VA/DC/MD area. Of course, it all depends on loc within the given area.

Thanks for the help.

You like the Sib's that much? I haven't had an opportunity to listen to them.


If I was looking for on wall speakers they would be at the top of my audition list along with the Dali's and Thiel Viewpoints.

Hi guy's

Need help from paradigm owners for crossover settings. I am setting up dads equipment in their new house. He has Paradigm Studio 60's V3's with Studio 20's V3's with CC590's.. His Subwoofer is the New Paradigm DSP 3200 (12" sub)

So far i have this:

everything set to small..
Fronts, center and the rears all set at 80HZ..
His Subwoofer LFE on the receiver is at 100HZ.
The sub volume is at 12'o clock

Do these settings sound about right? Am i in the ball park. Would you guy's put the Fronts @60HZ instead? Also is the subwoofer good at 100HZ or should it bumped to 120Hz?

He is running these from his Rotel RMB 1075 amp.

Any help would be great,

cheers,

Hi guy's

Need help from paradigm owners for crossover settings. I am setting up dads equipment in their new house. He has Paradigm Studio 60's V3's with Studio 20's V3's with CC590's.. His Subwoofer is the New Paradigm DSP 3200 (12" sub)

So far i have this:

everything set to small..
Fronts, center and the rears all set at 80HZ..
His Subwoofer LFE on the receiver is at 100HZ.
The sub volume is at 12'o clock

Do these settings sound about right? Am i in the ball park. Would you guy's put the Fronts @60HZ instead? Also is the subwoofer good at 100HZ or should it bumped to 120Hz?

He is running these from his Rotel RMB 1075 amp.

Any help would be great,

cheers,

You need a sound meter for the sub, as the external amp makes that impossible to comment on otherwise.

For the rest, it's probably fine. Does your AVR have a built-in equalization? If so, use that.

You need a sound meter for the sub, as the external amp makes that impossible to comment on otherwise.

For the rest, it's probably fine. Does your AVR have a built-in equalization? If so, use that.

We don't have a sound meter. I am trying to adjust everything by ear right now.

He is using a Rotel RSX 1057 AVR for all this. I don't think it has a built in equalization. I am trying do my best to set these up. He has a 20'X15'X10' place that these are going in.

Long as i am in the ballpark at the moment is fine. Later on we can set it up with a sound meter.

Can the studio 60 V3's go down to 60HZ or do they sound better at 80HZ when crossed over from the receiver?

Or should i just leave everything at 80HZ?



Thanks,

We don't have a sound meter. I am trying to adjust everything by ear right now.

He is using a Rotel RSX 1057 AVR for all this. I don't think it has a built in equalization. I am trying do my best to set these up. He has a 20'X15'X10' place that these are going in.

Long as i am in the ballpark at the moment is fine. Later on we can set it up with a sound meter.

Can the studio 60 V3's go down to 60HZ or do they sound better at 80HZ?

Thanks,

With an adequate sub and for mostly HT use, it doesn't really matter. For 2-channel music, you might want to try full range on the fronts and see if you like it with the 60's.

We don't have a sound meter. I am trying to adjust everything by ear right now.

He is using a Rotel RSX 1057 AVR for all this. I don't think it has a built in equalization. I am trying do my best to set these up. He has a 20'X15'X10' place that these are going in.

Long as i am in the ballpark at the moment is fine. Later on we can set it up with a sound meter.

Can the studio 60 V3's go down to 60HZ or do they sound better at 80HZ when crossed over from the receiver?



Thanks,

Try 60 and see it sure isnt going to hurt anything. Its all about trial and error IMHO, no one setting is the absolute best.

Thanks for the reply guy's

Well so far for the Paradigms these are the settings i left it at:
Here are his speakers again:Paradigm Studio 60's V3's with Studio 20's V3's with CC590's.. His Subwoofer is the New Paradigm DSP 3200 (12" sub)

Front:small
Center:small
Surround:small
Sub:yes

Speaker: Front crossover 80Hz
Speaker:Center crossover 80HZ
Speaker:Surrounds crossover 80Hz
Speaker:Subwoofer Crossover 100HZ

TEST tone:

Left: +1dB
Center: 0dB
Right: +1dB
R Surround: +4dB
L Surround +4dB
Subwoofer: +2dB

The distance for all speakers are done from the AVR. So far it sounds really Good. I will do final adjustments with the sound meter. Should be Fun:D

Cheers,

EDIT: Sorry guy's the center is a CC570...

Pancaked tweeters, that is. :eek: Well, so sad. I'm sure many fathers here have had the experience once if not twice, but I just had mine. Showing off the beauties (not quite a year old) I left a few covers off for 5 minutes and walked upstairs with the guests. In olympic record time, my toddler *pancaked* both tweeters in an ADP-590, dented the one on the cc-690 and dented one in the right studio 100v4. :eek::eek:

Almost lost a child there. :mad: I had to keep reminding myself it was my fault for leaving the covers off. :(

Now for the financial bad news: According to my dealer you have to buy the *whole* tweeter-mid combo on the ADP-590 and cc-690!!! So you have to pay a major PREMIUM!


Cost for the adp-590 $250.00 each (I need two, child is very thorough and *pancaked* both.)
cc-690 tweeter-mid is $300.
The 100v4, of course, you can just replace the tweeter, so it is only $120.
Wow. Throw in shipping and that's a cool grand lost.

So, now the question:

What's up with not being able to buy just a tweeter in the adp-590 and cc-690? They have little screws just for the tweeter, so to a noob, it would seem possible, even easy... any possibility or experience replacing just the tweeter (or the dome) in one of those combo units?

Has anyone had luck popping out a dent in one of these babies? (My AP-590s are beyond help, they are FLAAT and creased, but the 690 is not as bad looking.)

-Sad Dad

Has anyone had luck popping out a dent in one of these babies? (My AP-590s are beyond help, they are FLAAT and creased, but the 690 is not as bad looking.)

-Sad Dad

Sorry to hear it. I lost a passive radiator on my Klipsch Forte II's to my 2 year old a few years back.

As for the 690 you might as well try and pop it out since you plan on replacing it you have nothing to lose.

Can anyone tell me what the current MSRP of the Millenia 30 and UltraCube 10are? I will be purchasing these for my LCR and Subwoofer very soon for our new home.

Thank you!

Does anybody know why the cones in dedicated mid range drivers for Paradigm's Reference series (Studio 100 and S6/8) are glued to the phase plug? That does not make sense to me...

I have paradigm mini monitor v5, and I listen to music with the monitors along with a subwoofer. It sounds good to me.

If I bought monitor 9's v5, and played them with or without a subwoofer, would I hear anything that I am currently not hearing?

Does anybody know why the cones in dedicated mid range drivers for Paradigm's Reference series (Studio 100 and S6/8) are glued to the phase plug? That does not make sense to me...

Very odd. I have 60 V3's and the cone is free floating.....

Does anybody know why the cones in dedicated mid range drivers for Paradigm's Reference series (Studio 100 and S6/8) are glued to the phase plug? That does not make sense to me...

My v3's the phase plug is stationary have not heard of them changing anything.

Does anybody know why the cones in dedicated mid range drivers for Paradigm's Reference series (Studio 100 and S6/8) are glued to the phase plug? That does not make sense to me...

I think you have a problem. The cones may be stuck. You can very carefully
push on the cone, it should move. If it doesn't you need to contact your dealer or Paradigm.

I'm pretty sure it's not a defect. The phase plug IS stationary, but the cone is glued to it on the Studio 100 (v3/v4) models, but free floating on the 60's and others.

I have searched high and low, on they're website and in this forum and on the net...

How the heck can I find a pdf or something with Paradigm's suggested retails for the V4 Studio's????

I have searched high and low, on they're website and in this forum and on the net...

How the heck can I find a pdf or something with Paradigm's suggested retails for the V4 Studio's????

There was some MSRP pricing listed in a post of this thread not long back, unless it was vaporized during the crash.

There was some MSRP pricing listed in a post of this thread not long back, unless it was vaporized during the crash.

those were for the new Monitors, I'll find them again.

http://www.castercomm.com/prView.cfm?cid=113&id=148

PARADIGM LAUNCHES MONITOR SERIES v.6

Toronto, Ontario – August 2008 – By “tweaking for perfection” the sixth incarnation of its acclaimed Monitor Series, Paradigm today improved the best value in loudspeakers. The re-vamped Monitor line retains all of the same technology as the v.5 series while adding updates such as modified phase-coherent crossovers, redesigned magnetic grilles and a luxurious new finish. For individual product updates, the Titan Monitor gains a new rear port as well as an updated voice coil for even better bass response.

In response to customer and dealer feedback, Paradigm did a complete re-design of the Monitor v.6 grilles. The new magnetic grilles feature ultra-low diffraction with re-worked, reinforced placement of the magnets to ensure the grilles will stay perfectly centered over the baffle at all times and not move unless removed.

For aesthetics, Paradigm added nickel-plated screws to all bookshelf, floorstanding and center-channel speakers to provide a lustrous, high-tech touch. Made popular by luxury furniture manufacturers, all v.6 models are also available in a chic new Wengé (pronounced wen-gay) finish. When black, rosenut or cherry don’t match a room’s décor, customers now have the option of wengé, a dark brown, almost black, finish with fine pencil-thin, light tan lines interspersed with blackish brown stripes.

“When you have something that works and sells as well as our Monitor Series, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to re-invent it top to bottom,” says Paradigm Marketing Manager Mark Aling. “However, if the R&D team identifies something that can be improved, even incrementally, our philosophy is that such changes enhance the value of the product. Paradigm’s customers and dealers deserve the best value possible, and that’s what Monitor Series v.6 is all about.”

Paradigm’s SuperDrive™ technology, first introduced in Series v.5, remains a vital component of the Monitor Series. SuperDrive combines very high efficiency with very high output and ultra-low distortion. Combined with the tweaked crossover design, even moderately powered amplifiers allow the Monitor Series v.6 speakers to deliver a higher level of performance than ever before. Because of their high efficiency and power handling, Monitor Series v.6 speakers hold their own in terms of efficiency and output with major brands of horn speakers. In non-level-matched a/b comparisons, the new Monitor speakers not only play as loud, but their sound is authentically high-end. Compared to all other major speaker brands, when it comes to playing loud, Monitor v.6 speakers lead the way–not just in their product category, but compared to speakers selling at more than twice the price!

The New Monitor Series v.6 lineup:

Atom Monitor – Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 5-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $149/ea
Mini Monitor – Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 6-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $219/ea
Titan Monitor – Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 7-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $279/ea
Monitor 7 – Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 5-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 5-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $379/ea
Monitor 9 – Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 6-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 6-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $499/ea
Monitor 11 – Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 7-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 7-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $699/ea
CC-190 – Four-driver 3-way center channel: Two 5-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 3-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome: $299
CC-290 – Four-driver 3-way center channel: Two 6-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 4-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $499
CC-390 – Seven-driver 3-way center channel: Four 6-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, two 4-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $699
ADP-190 – Four-driver 2-way surround/rear: Two 5-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, two 1" H-PTD™ domes; $249/ea
ADP-390 – Five-driver 3-way surround/rear: One carbon-infused polypropylene bass, two 4-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, two 1" H-PTD™ domes; $429/ea

*All prices are US FMV. Monitor Series v.6 bookshelf and floorstanding speakers are available in Cherry, Rosenut, Black Ash or the New Wengé finish; Atom Monitor is also available in White. ADP-190 and ADP-390 are available in Black or White.

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The Studio v.4 Lineup:

MSRP ( when first released )

Studio 20 - 2-driver 2-way bookshelf: 7" bass/mid, 1" G-PALTM; $899/pr
Studio 40 - 3-driver 2.5-way bookshelf: 7" bass, 7" mid/bass, 1" G-PAL TM; $1,399/pr
Studio 60 - 3-driver 2.5-way floorstanding: 7" bass, 7" mid/bass, 1" G-PALTM; $1,799/pr
Studio 100 - 5-driver 3-way floorstanding: 3 x 7" bass, 7" mid, 1" G-PALTM; $2,499/pr
CC-590 - 4-driver 3-way center: 2 x 7" bass, 4.5" mid, 1" G-PALTM; $899/ea
New Model! CC-690 - 6-driver 3.5-way center: 2 x 7" bass, 2 x 7" mid/bass, 4.5" mid, 1" G-PALTM; $1,199/ea
New Model! Eclipse - 4-driver 3-way on-wall: 2 x 7" bass, 4.5" mid/bass, 1" G-PALTM; $999/ea
New Model! Eclipse C - 4-driver 3-way on-wall: 2 x 7" bass, 4.5" mid/bass, 1" G-PALTM; $999/ea
Studio ADP-590 - 5-driver 3-way surround: 7" bass, 2 x 4.5" mid/bass, 2 x 1" G-PALTM; $599/ea

* FMV prices are in U.S. dollars. Available in a variety of finishes.


You should be able to get at least 10% of those prices.

Pancaked tweeters...
Now for the financial bad news: According to my dealer you have to buy the *whole* tweeter-mid combo on the ADP-590 and cc-690!!! So you have to pay a major PREMIUM!


Cost for the adp-590 $250.00 each (I need two, child is very thorough and *pancaked* both.)
cc-690 tweeter-mid is $300.
The 100v4, of course, you can just replace the tweeter, so it is only $120.
Wow. Throw in shipping and that's a cool grand lost.


Thought I would follow up... after placing a few calls directly to Paradigm, I discovered that the current Studio series, except, apparently the cc-690, all have replaceable tweeter diaphragms. Yay! Only $60.00/pop.

When my dealer called them *and* when I called the first time, they gave us both incorrect information indicating you had to replace entire tweeter-mid combos. Paradigm STILL says that is the case for the cc690. (But I don't believe it. I pulled the diaphragm on the cc690 and the 100v4 -- to the eye, they look EXACTLY the same.) I was able to pop the dents out from the backside of those metal beasties nicely and just put them back in. On the ADP-590, the domes are munched a little too heavily, hole in one, so I'm ordering replacements for those. (Note that the diaphragms are different on the ADP then on the 100v4 -- yet paradigm insists they are the same part number, while continuing to deny that the cc-690 diaphragm is replaceable. :confused: So I'm still not convinced I have the right information, but I guess I'll just let the dealer sort it out. I still think the 100v4 and cc-690 diaphragms are identical. I may just risk $60 and try.)

So, in short, if you ever do have someone smash a dome, there is some hope -- and ask twice or three times, not everyone at Paradigm knows what they are talking about. And, you can pop them out easily from the inside if the damage is not severe. I'd be happy to share the experience of replacing in more detail if needed by anyone.

(Anyone have experience actually replacing a diaphragm in a cc-690 with a new one or why Paradigm would claim it is impossible? I'd love to get to the bottom of *that* inconsistent mystery in the story.)

-p

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The Studio v.4 Lineup:

MSRP

Studio 20 - 2-driver 2-way bookshelf: 7" bass/mid, 1" G-PALTM; $899/pr
Studio 40 - 3-driver 2.5-way bookshelf: 7" bass, 7" mid/bass, 1" G-PAL TM; $1,399/pr
Studio 60 - 3-driver 2.5-way floorstanding: 7" bass, 7" mid/bass, 1" G-PALTM; $1,799/pr
Studio 100 - 5-driver 3-way floorstanding: 3 x 7" bass, 7" mid, 1" G-PALTM; $2,499/pr
CC-590 - 4-driver 3-way center: 2 x 7" bass, 4.5" mid, 1" G-PALTM; $899/ea
New Model! CC-690 - 6-driver 3.5-way center: 2 x 7" bass, 2 x 7" mid/bass, 4.5" mid, 1" G-PALTM; $1,199/ea
New Model! Eclipse - 4-driver 3-way on-wall: 2 x 7" bass, 4.5" mid/bass, 1" G-PALTM; $999/ea
New Model! Eclipse C - 4-driver 3-way on-wall: 2 x 7" bass, 4.5" mid/bass, 1" G-PALTM; $999/ea
Studio ADP-590 - 5-driver 3-way surround: 7" bass, 2 x 4.5" mid/bass, 2 x 1" G-PALTM; $599/ea

* FMV prices are in U.S. dollars. Available in a variety of finishes.


You should be able to get at least 10% of those prices.

That price list was MSRP when those speakers were just being released, but they are higher now for sure. (Price adjustments to MSRP were made w/ the weakening of the dollar and effects of economic FUD in general) I know in early '08 the 100v4 MSRP was at least $100 more. In any case, this list will give you an idea -- just know it is not current. Seriously, go check w/ a dealer or two. Most don't bite. ;)

I'm pretty sure it's not a defect. The phase plug IS stationary, but the cone is glued to it on the Studio 100 (v3/v4) models, but free floating on the 60's and others.

My Studio 100 and cc-690 seem attached -- I'd agree that it's probably designed that way. For the fellow posting the original question, you might ask Paradigm directly ( http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/contact_us/tech_support.php or call the numbers on the site.)

Thanks DRpain.

If the Phase Plug is stationary and the cone is "attached" or "glued" to it, then there would be no way the cone would operate as it should. Either the "Phase Plug" is real and stationary, thus not attached or the Phase Plug is not real and is merely a dust cap and attached to the driver cone. But not both.

It is very easy to tell the difference.

If the Phase Plug is stationary and the cone is "attached" or "glued" to it, then there would be no way the cone would operate as it should. Either the "Phase Plug" is real and stationary, thus not attached or the Phase Plug is not real and is merely a dust cap and attached to the driver cone. But not both.


Agreed. If the plug is stationary and the cone attached I'd think there would be little (if any) excursion of the driver....

Thanks to everyone that's responded to my question... I agree w/ the questions raised here, and this is exactly what does not make sense to me. The phase plug IS stationary, and the cone IS attached to it (it is glued), but the cone somehow manages to move enough to make sound.

Audio video Unlimited in Canada have some Monitor v5 selling at closing out prices. I just bought a pair of Monitor 9's for $800 (MSRP $1050 Can.)

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/paradigm-reference-20-470-speakers-5-2005.html

This review talks about the phase plug. He states "Unlike a dust cover, a phase plug is not part of the moving mass, but rather is fixed to the stationary motor structure. So, the speaker cone moves back and forth, but the phase plug does not move at all."

It sounds like something is wrong if your speaker cone is glued to the phase plug.

Thanks to everyone that's responded to my question... I agree w/ the questions raised here, and this is exactly what does not make sense to me. The phase plug IS stationary, and the cone IS attached to it (it is glued), but the cone somehow manages to move enough to make sound.

My 100v4 and cc-690 seem the way poti's do. Any other studio owners see movement? How much "excursion" would you really expect in those mids anyway?

Thanks to everyone that's responded to my question... I agree w/ the questions raised here, and this is exactly what does not make sense to me. The phase plug IS stationary, and the cone IS attached to it (it is glued), but the cone somehow manages to move enough to make sound.

As I said before, it is very easy to see the difference. With no power going to the speakers, take one finger and gently push on the cone material next to the Phase Plug. You will see that the cone itself moves independently from the plug. It may appear to be glued or whatever to the plug, but there is a black ring that the cone is glued to that surrounds the phase plug, and that is what slides on the sides of the phase plug itself.

If this is not the case, then you either have a defective driver or you have counterfeit speakers.

I know it's hard to believe, but it is actually designed that way. The mids in the 20's I have for the rear speakers are "normal" - they move - but I noticed all the Studio and Signatures w/ dedicated mid ranges are "glued" (100/S6/S8). It definitely is counter-intuitive, being that the voice coil would have a terrible time trying to move...

I know it's hard to believe, but it is actually designed that way. The mids in the 20's I have for the rear speakers are "normal" - they move - but I noticed all the Studio and Signatures w/ dedicated mid ranges are "glued" (100/S6/S8). It definitely is counter-intuitive, being that the voice coil would have a terrible time trying to move...

If the plug is stationary and the cone is glued to the plug how can there be
sound at this point the voice coil can have no movement it is directly coupled
to the cone also a phase plug is designed to be stationary if it is coupled to
the cone now it becomes a dust cap.

I have Studio 100's, center channel, adp's (all v2's) and I need two more speakers for 7.1 sound. The problem is that the speakers will be hanging from the ceiling near the middle of the room (large long room). The speakers will not work against the back wall - too far from the rest of the system.

I have thought about adp's, and studio 20's but would like something that sounds good but smaller since they will hang from the ceiling.

Can anyone recommend another Paradigm speaker that might make a decent match for the back two speakers?

Thanks!

I went home and checked the mid range on my 100's and my 690. The phase plug is not glued to the speaker cone. You have to look very carefully as the gap is very small. I also pushed very lightly on the cone and it does move and the phase plug does not. This being said, these drivers do not move much. I was very suprised at how stiff they are. They have a very small rubber surround.

Still sound great though!

I have Studio 60 v3.0's. I listen to it solely on stereo. My room is 15 w by 22 l and it's a room above the garage so the slides slope to the ceiling. I currently have my P's about 26" from the back wall and 30" from the side. This is a prettly 'live' room with a tile floor and a lot of junk (books etc) lining the sides. Here's my question: I'm thinking of relocating my HT setup to this room which is a Yamaha 2700 + Polk speakers. I'm wondering if I should squeeze my vintage Polk SDA2 mains in behind the STudio's. How far out in the room should Studio's go for an ideal placement. They seem to want to be further out from the back wall than I have placed other speakers for better imaging. True??. I currently have them spaced at 95" apart. I could bring them closer to give the Polk's room. I know I can experiment but I thought someone here can give me some tips on ideal placement for the Studios.

The other option is to build around the Paradigms. Unfortunately what I have in the inventory for a center and surrounds are by other manufacturers and probably won't suit. What would be the recommended center and surrounds from Paradigm to match (at minimal dollar outlay - I care more about listening to music than watching ) Thanks.

I have Studio 100's, center channel, adp's (all v2's) and I need two more speakers for 7.1 sound. The problem is that the speakers will be hanging from the ceiling near the middle of the room (large long room). The speakers will not work against the back wall - too far from the rest of the system.

I have thought about adp's, and studio 20's but would like something that sounds good but smaller since they will hang from the ceiling.

Can anyone recommend another Paradigm speaker that might make a decent match for the back two speakers?

Thanks!

What we really need to know is the size of the room.

What we really need to know is the size of the room.

The room is very large. The two speakers for 7.1 would be about 5 feet behind the seating area. There is about 20 feet from the seating area to the back of the room. I'm sure the Studio 20's would be great but they will be hanging from the ceiling and would like to find a smaller alternative (I know the ADP's are large also).

thanks!

The room is very large. The two speakers for 7.1 would be about 5 feet behind the seating area. There is about 20 feet from the seating area to the back of the room. I'm sure the Studio 20's would be great but they will be hanging from the ceiling and would like to find a smaller alternative (I know the ADP's are large also).

thanks!
I have a similarly irregular room, with my surrounds slightly behind my listening area, and about 15 feet of room behind that. I too was concerned about the size of the hanging speakers. Turns out Titans work nicely. ;)

I do a lot of multi-channel audio listening, and find that the Titans do a fine job of creating the surround environment. Plus they were easy to mount!

Hope this helps.

It will more than likely make mid/midbass boomy , soundstage would suffer and yes almost any speaker

So I stopped at a local shop yesterday and talked to a sales rep about the studio 100s and my niche situation. He told me that the niche wouldn't affect the speakers very much at all, in particular because the ports are front-firing. I called "BS", then he took me over to one of their demo theater rooms where, within custom enclosures of 2 1/2' w 3' d on either side of a projection screen, they hid their Studio 100s for front surrounds.

FWIW, they had a CC 590 similarly hidden.

What gives?

So I stopped at a local shop yesterday and talked to a sales rep about the studio 100s and my niche situation. He told me that the niche wouldn't affect the speakers very much at all, in particular because the ports are front-firing. I called "BS", then he took me over to one of their demo theater rooms where, within custom enclosures of 2 1/2' w 3' d on either side of a projection screen, they hid their Studio 100s for front surrounds.

FWIW, they had a CC 590 similarly hidden.

What gives?

They also cater to wives and interior decorators which is good for business
not so much for the best they can sound.