I hope this is an appropriate forum for this question, but I am trying to make a decision. I have been looking at the Monitor 9s with the cc-390 center and an ultracube 12. Just the other day, my dealer suggested some demo Studio 60s and a demo cc-590 center that they had in their showroom. He said I can get them for a couple of hundred bucks more then the 9s/390 set I was looking at.

Anyway, my question is, is it worth a couple of hundred bucks more for the studio 60s and cc590 over the 9s/390?

My room is 15w x 21L x 8h.

Listening will be 85 TV/Movies 15 Music.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I hope this is an appropriate forum for this question, but I am trying to make a decision. I have been looking at the Monitor 9s with the cc-390 center and an ultracube 12. Just the other day, my dealer suggested some demo Studio 60s and a demo cc-590 center that they had in their showroom. He said I can get them for a couple of hundred bucks more then the 9s/390 set I was looking at.

Anyway, my question is, is it worth a couple of hundred bucks more for the studio 60s and cc590 over the 9s/390?

My room is 15w x 21L x 8h.

Listening will be 85 TV/Movies 15 Music.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.


It would probably be worth it, but it depends on what you want your set up to look like. I have the monitor 9s and cc390(aka..monster) and like them really well. The studio series is a better speaker, but check which version they are. If they are a couple versions old, the monitors would be better in my opinion. Monitors should be version 5 and the newest studios I believe are version 4. Others can correct me if I am wrong.

It would probably be worth it, but it depends on what you want your set up to look like. I have the monitor 9s and cc390(aka..monster) and like them really well. The studio series is a better speaker, but check which version they are. If they are a couple versions old, the monitors would be better in my opinion. Monitors should be version 5 and the newest studios I believe are version 4. Others can correct me if I am wrong.
I checked, they are version 4.

I checked, they are version 4.

Sounds like great deal to me.

I have the monitor 9s and cc390(aka..monster) and like them really well. The studio series is a better speaker, but check which version they are.

I'm interested in Paradigm speakers. This confuses me though... How can a large Monitor 9 series tower be outperformed a smaller bookshelf type Studio speaker? Or am I getting models confused? :confused:

I'm interested in Paradigm speakers. This confuses me though... How can a large Monitor 9 series tower be outperformed a smaller bookshelf type Studio speaker? Or am I getting models confused? :confused:
They are tower speakers, about the same height and width as the M9s, but significantly deeper.

This is what I am referring to: http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/fronts-studio-studio60-model-2-13-1-28.paradigm

I'm interested in Paradigm speakers. This confuses me though... How can a large Monitor 9 series tower be outperformed a smaller bookshelf type Studio speaker? Or am I getting models confused? :confused:

You are probably thinking of the studio 20s which are a "bookshelf" style, but still a great speaker. I compared the studio 20 with the monitor 9 and nearly went with the studio 20, but wanted to save a little cash by going with the monitor series. The studios have a very distinct sound compared to the monitors, but I love my 9's.:D

Have 2 questions:

I've never heard the Paradigm Atoms or Titans. Would they make good rear surround speakers? If so, how easy are they to mount to a wall? Are there any other models (Paradigm or otherwise) that would make great surrounds but not cost a fortune?

I had the Studio 20's that I was going to use as surrounds, but I felt they were just overkill for basically "effects" speakers. My primary use is home theater and not multi-channel music. The Studio 20's are great speakers but are somewhat heavy to mount for surrounds.

Any thoughts, suggestions, advice? Thanks!

I have a similarly irregular room, with my surrounds slightly behind my listening area, and about 15 feet of room behind that. I too was concerned about the size of the hanging speakers. Turns out Titans work nicely. ;)

I do a lot of multi-channel audio listening, and find that the Titans do a fine job of creating the surround environment. Plus they were easy to mount!

Hope this helps.

That is a big help! Did you think the Titans would work ok for the 7.1 back speakers with the remaining setup being Studio Reference v2's? Are all your speakers Titans or just the rear?

Thank you!

That is a big help! Did you think the Titans would work ok for the 7.1 back speakers with the remaining setup being Studio Reference v2's? Are all your speakers Titans or just the rear?

Thank you!

The titans are fairly large speakers. The atoms would be nice surrounds as well if you want a smaller speaker. I have version 3 mini monitors which are in between in size which could also work.

In my basement setup, I have paradigm AMS in ceiling speakers which have worked great with my monitor series speakers up front. I did not have the space or room dimensions to hang the bipole/dipoles which would have been my first choice.

If possible I would stay with the same series of speakers all the way around if possible. Mixing monitor series with the AMS in ceiling works well. I don't notice any timbre mismatching.:)

Just curious, what does v.6 actually add performance wise over v.5?

One thing I noticed was the modified phase-coherent crossovers, but I have no idea what it does performance wise.

I called Paradigm for a comparision of v.5 and v.6, and he said he coulnd't give me specifics. Didn't seem too friendly either.

So, it is worth getting v.6 over v.5? My intepretation of the press release was the v.6 would be more efficient, since they stated:

"Combined with the tweaked crossover design, even moderately powered amplifiers allow the Monitor Series v.6 speakers to deliver a higher level of performance than ever before. Because of their high efficiency and power handling, Monitor Series v.6 speakers hold their own in terms of efficiency and output with major brands of horn speakers."]


According to Paradigm, the efficiency between v.5 and v.6 didn't change.

I have Studio 100's, center channel, adp's (all v2's) and I need two more speakers for 7.1 sound. The problem is that the speakers will be hanging from the ceiling near the middle of the room (large long room). The speakers will not work against the back wall - too far from the rest of the system.

I have thought about adp's, and studio 20's but would like something that sounds good but smaller since they will hang from the ceiling.

Can anyone recommend another Paradigm speaker that might make a decent match for the back two speakers?

I have a pair of ceiling mounted (actually mounted on a beam with a valuted ceiling) MiniMonitors as my rear surrounds and am very happy with them, and the rest of my system is Studio series. I chose the MiniMonitors because I thought Studio 20's would be overkill in back and I got a killer deal on the MM's.

IMHO, Paradigm needs a compact direct radiator for rear surrounds, as most strongly prefer them to bi/dipoles in back (although I too have ADP's on the sides). The MiniMonitors are still fairly large, so your best bet might be the Atom Monitor. I know Paradigm changed the naming terminology recently on the Monitor line, so if you're looking at used speakers from a older vintage, the name might be different. However, look for the smallest Monitor series speakers (with a single 5.25" woofer). The rear channel is not too demending, and if you cross them over at 100Hz I'm sure you'll be satisfied given your other constraints.

I called Paradigm for a comparision of v.5 and v.6, and he said he coulnd't give me specifics. Didn't seem too friendly either.


Gunbunnysoulja:

I believed I talked to the same person at Paradigm on 2 different occasions regarding 2 different subjects. He was also the same person that almost made me switch from Paradigm to another speaker line. I wonder if he's aware of how he comes across.

Gunbunnysoulja:

I believed I talked to the same person at Paradigm on 2 different occasions regarding 2 different subjects. He was also the same person that almost made me switch from Paradigm to another speaker line. I wonder if he's aware of how he comes across.

I think I talked to the same guy, he was definitely rude. :(

I think I talked to the same guy, he was definitely rude. :(

Yea I was pretty suprised for a company such as Paradigm to have customer service like that. Hopefully my next phone call goes better.

Companies like that need to record the phone calls, and do random phone audits. I bet customer service goes wayy up :)

Unfortunately this happens from time to time with almost all companies that I have dealt
with and I chalk it up to a person or persons that do not enjoy their job. One other thing
we all have a breaking point and if he or she has had several rude customers in the same
time frame they may be on edge usually courtesy is met with courtesy in the business
world if that co. expects to survive.

I recently bought a CC590 and pair of Studio 20's. When I unboxed the CC the grill was broken and there was a ding on the bottom corner(box in perfect shape). The place I bought it from was very polite and said they would take care of it. Paradigm has been dragging their feet to get me a new one. Not getting back to the shop in a timely fashion and then requiring pictures of the blemished unit before they would send the shop a new CC. Not the way I would think a high end audio manufacturer would treat a shop. I've had the blemished unit now for 3 weeks, hoping the new one will arrive soon.

Singature w5 owners anywhere?

Bueller?

My saga continues to find a non-floorstanding speaker to improve upon the Cinema 330 L/C/R. I'm not sure the Studio Esprit offers enough to make the switch, and I am curious to see how the w5s are received.

I recently bought a CC590 and pair of Studio 20's. When I unboxed the CC the grill was broken and there was a ding on the bottom corner(box in perfect shape). The place I bought it from was very polite and said they would take care of it. Paradigm has been dragging their feet to get me a new one. Not getting back to the shop in a timely fashion and then requiring pictures of the blemished unit before they would send the shop a new CC. Not the way I would think a high end audio manufacturer would treat a shop. I've had the blemished unit now for 3 weeks, hoping the new one will arrive soon.

Interesting, last year when I bought my CC190 in rosenut it was also damaged on a corner and the box was fine. They got me a new one of course but I know they thought I damaged it. It took a few weeks to get mine also I think.

I just ordered a pair of Signature S8's, and I'm now a little worried about S8 placement. The room is fairly large -- around 18x20, mostly in the back and on one side -- so there's room to pull the speakers somewhat from the back wall, but how much distance is really required? I'm currently using Studio 100's in the room, and they're about 11" from the wall, and they seem great, but they're not rear-ported. Will 12" from the rear of the S8 to the back wall be enough, I hope? They'll be several feet from the side walls.
Thanks!

I just ordered a pair of Signature S8's, and I'm now a little worried about S8 placement. The room is fairly large -- around 18x20, mostly in the back and on one side -- so there's room to pull the speakers somewhat from the back wall, but how much distance is really required? I'm currently using Studio 100's in the room, and they're about 11" from the wall, and they seem great, but they're not rear-ported. Will 12" from the rear of the S8 to the back wall be enough, I hope? They'll be several feet from the side walls.
Thanks!

I bet at a foot you will be fine a little more would probably be a little better.

How critical would you be? I just got my replacement CC590 and there is a line a few millimeters wide along the entire bottom edge where it looks like too much adhesive was applied and it squished out and got on the the veneer. You can't see it when it is setup. But a few things bother me here. Number one: when buying a $1000 center channel speaker from a seemingly reputable company you would think they could make it look properly. Number two: It would be a hindrance should I decide to sell the studio's and move on to something else. Would you return it? I can't decide at the moment.

How critical would you be? I just got my replacement CC590 and there is a line a few millimeters wide along the entire bottom edge where it looks like too much adhesive was applied and it squished out and got on the the veneer. You can't see it when it is setup. But a few things bother me here. Number one: when buying a $1000 center channel speaker from a seemingly reputable company you would think they could make it look properly. Number two: It would be a hindrance should I decide to sell the studio's and move on to something else. Would you return it? I can't decide at the moment.

Get a rag, put some goof off on it, wipe off the adhesive, set up speaker, enjoy.

How critical would you be? I just got my replacement CC590 and there is a line a few millimeters wide along the entire bottom edge where it looks like too much adhesive was applied and it squished out and got on the the veneer. You can't see it when it is setup. But a few things bother me here. Number one: when buying a $1000 center channel speaker from a seemingly reputable company you would think they could make it look properly. Number two: It would be a hindrance should I decide to sell the studio's and move on to something else. Would you return it? I can't decide at the moment.

I would return it without question.

How critical would you be? I just got my replacement CC590 and there is a line a few millimeters wide along the entire bottom edge where it looks like too much adhesive was applied and it squished out and got on the the veneer. You can't see it when it is setup. But a few things bother me here. Number one: when buying a $1000 center channel speaker from a seemingly reputable company you would think they could make it look properly. Number two: It would be a hindrance should I decide to sell the studio's and move on to something else. Would you return it? I can't decide at the moment.
If visible from setup absolutely, if not run it.

Could I use just about any P. center with Studio 60's? And how about surrounds? I have a pair of studio 60's in an upstairs room that I've been listening to in stereo. I'm thinking of adding a Y 663 to drive these and then buying a P center and surrounds. I don't want the absolute best to match the mains to keep costs down. Or I could go with a Cinema series and use the 60's for stereo. Room is 15 x 22, above garage so has knee wall and sloping sides.Comments, advice?

Could I use just about any P. center with Studio 60's? And how about surrounds? I have a pair of studio 60's in an upstairs room that I've been listening to in stereo. I'm thinking of adding a Y 663 to drive these and then buying a P center and surrounds. I don't want the absolute best to match the mains to keep costs down. Or I could go with a Cinema series and use the 60's for stereo. Room is 15 x 22, above garage so has knee wall and sloping sides.Comments, advice?

A good matching CC is important, IMHO. If I were you, I would get a Studio series center, or keep the 60's for stereo use in a 2ch rig. Surrounds are less critical. I have Studio v4s up front (40's and a cc590) but v3's (ADP470) at the sides, and MiniMonitors in back. It all sounds great and I don't notice any tonal differences with the surrounds, even with multi-channel music. It's important to get the front three matched, though.

(Thanks Lee for your input on my previous question). Last question. I'm thinking of putting the Reference 60's in my living room which has a very thick carpet, (so thick have a hard time vacuuming when it's humid). I can't find the carpet spikes that came with them. Currently I have Polk SDA 2's but they seem to have a built in wooden base to lift them off the carpet. This is a fairly large room (25 x 22). The spikes, if I can find them, will be a pain I'm sure to setup initially. Are there any alternatives? Thanks.

+1
If you watch (or listen) much in surround mode, the center gets more play than the L/R channel. You don't want to mess up the nice sounding speakers with something cheap that doesn't match and degrades your listening experience. Do you need and exact match? I leave that up to the more learned members of the forum. But if you cheap out too much now, you will end up spending more later to get it right. My 2 cents.

You're going to want to get the matching Studio center channel. The Paradigm lines may have tonal similarities, but they are from from sounding the same. Going from even the Studio line to the Monitor line will likely be too much of a change if you're used to the Studio 60's. When I was demo'ing the Studio and Monitor lines just a few weeks ago, it was a huge difference. If you've spent the money on the 60's already, go ahead and get the Studio CC to match. It will make the whole system that much better.

S8 v2 compared to S6 v2

I'm in the process of trying to decide between these two. This is for a setup that will be 90% HT and 10% audio. I will also be getting a C5, ADP1 x4, and a HSU ULS-15 sub.

Has anyone done any comparisons of the S8 to the S6? According to the Paradigm website, the only differences seem to be that the S8 has four bass drivers rather than two and a lower crossover frequency of 250Hz instead of 350Hz.

I would think that the only difference would be bass extension. If so, the smaller size, easier placement (S6 only has front port), and lower cost of the S6 are compelling.

S8 v2 compared to S6 v2

This is for a setup that will be 90% HT and 10% audio.


Get the S6

i am have just purchased a atom 5.1 set up with a cc190 and pdr 10 sub with v663 recv

are the atoms wall mountable for the rears? do you have to drill into box?
i dont have them yet but i dont think the have any mounting holes?

thanks

i am have just purchased a atom 5.1 set up with a cc190 and pdr 10 sub with v663 recv

are the atoms wall mountable for the rears? do you have to drill into box?
i dont have them yet but i dont think the have any mounting holes?

thanks

This is what I use to mount my Atoms (mine our version 3 Atoms):

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/hardware-sale-trade/212549-premier-mb-60-swiveling-wall-mount-brackets.html

Should be able to get the mb-60 mount from a Paradigm dealer.

Get the S6

yep. get the S6

S8 v2 compared to S6 v2

I'm in the process of trying to decide between these two. This is for a setup that will be 90% HT and 10% audio. I will also be getting a C5, ADP1 x4, and a HSU ULS-15 sub.

Has anyone done any comparisons of the S8 to the S6? According to the Paradigm website, the only differences seem to be that the S8 has four bass drivers rather than two and a lower crossover frequency of 250Hz instead of 350Hz.

I would think that the only difference would be bass extension. If so, the smaller size, easier placement (S6 only has front port), and lower cost of the S6 are compelling.

Definitely S6.

Also, I'd suggest the ADP3, or S2's instead of the ADP1's. The ADP3's are just a little better for the bigger S6/C5 combo, or even better the S2's are direct firing, so you'll get much more emersive and directional surround sound.

Anyway, I went through the same dilemma and ended up with S6x2/C5/ADP3x2/S2x2 for my 90/10 HT setup.

Also - the HSU is HUUUUGE! Are you sure you want that? Check out the SVS PB13 Ultra, as I think it's similarly rated and about half the size. Even smaller is the Fathom, but it's not as chest-pounding for HT use.

For those who might be interested ...

As much as I'd like the w5 for my "no floorstanders" setup, I decided to just get the Studio Esprit. Let's face it, W5 are EXPENSIVE. :) and I just couldn't get them in front of my ears, or a decent return or discount offer to go ahead with it.

After getting the Studio Center in place, I just can't see making room for another pair of woofers and have it not look insane. The w5's would actually be taller than the tv and a challenge to mount. I can sleep knowing that some improvement was made while still leaving the door open for "the last speaker purchase" later. :D

I only have the center for now, with the L/R arriving in a week or so.

I'm going to wait until the other speakers are in place to start messing with Audyssey again.

The piano black gloss on the Cinema helped (at least the center) blend in front of the tv bezel. The gray border on the speaker was initially distracting, but like the signature "P" logo, you think about it more when you're not watching anything.

Looking forward to reuniting these triplets and getting them all set up.

For now, they will be driven by 130w from a Denon 4306. Paradigm's confusing amp stats have me wondering wether I should leave it as is putting out 20W less than Max Input, but well within the suggested amp range which heads up to 200W. If a 200W per channel amp would help at regular listening levels I'm up for it, but if it just means I can turn it up louder it may not be necessary.

We've established that "underpowering" is ok, right?:o:D

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i am have just purchased a atom 5.1 set up with a cc190 and pdr 10 sub with v663 recv

are the atoms wall mountable for the rears? do you have to drill into box?
i dont have them yet but i dont think the have any mounting holes?

thanks

I'm pretty sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I believe that since v.2, both the Atoms and Titans have mounting holes in their cabinets. Either line would make great surrounds or backs with a Paradigm system. There are also 3rd-party mounting brackets that are more like clamps and do not have screws which penetrate the cabinet.

Hope this post doesn't get flagged for using "screw" and "penetrate" in the same sentence. :D

Definitely S6.

Also, I'd suggest the ADP3, or S2's instead of the ADP1's. The ADP3's are just a little better for the bigger S6/C5 combo, or even better the S2's are direct firing, so you'll get much more emersive and directional surround sound.

Anyway, I went through the same dilemma and ended up with S6x2/C5/ADP3x2/S2x2 for my 90/10 HT setup.

Also - the HSU is HUUUUGE! Are you sure you want that? Check out the SVS PB13 Ultra, as I think it's similarly rated and about half the size. Even smaller is the Fathom, but it's not as chest-pounding for HT use.

Thanks for the recommendations. I believe the Hsu is smaller than the SVS (19 x 18 x 19.25 vs. 22 x 20.5 x 27). I decided to get dipoles for both the sides and rear based on the fact that I have a 5.1 system in another room (KEF 3005) and find that the direct radiating surround speakers are distracting. Also, check out this listening test by Home Theater magazine. They concluded that rears should be dipoles and that the sides could be either, but preferably dipoles if being used for HT.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/25/index3.html

Could you elaborate a little more on the ADP3 vs. ADP1? My dealer and Paradigm rep told me the ADP1's are timbre matched for S6 and S8 so I did not see much advantage to ADP3 other than better bass extension, which does not seem terribly important for the surround channels.

Thanks for the recommendations. I believe the Hsu is smaller than the SVS (19 x 18 x 19.25 vs. 22 x 20.5 x 27). I decided to get dipoles for both the sides and rear based on the fact that I have a 5.1 system in another room (KEF 3005) and find that the direct radiating surround speakers are distracting. Also, check out this listening test by Home Theater magazine. They concluded that rears should be dipoles and that the sides could be either, but preferably dipoles if being used for HT.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/25/index3.html

Could you elaborate a little more on the ADP3 vs. ADP1? My dealer and Paradigm rep told me the ADP1's are timbre matched for S6 and S8 so I did not see much advantage to ADP3 other than better bass extension, which does not seem terribly important for the surround channels.

Yes, they are timbre matched. And yes, it's not terribly important. Basically, it's more like "going to 11". Why skimp out on the ADP's? My dealer ended up charging me nearly the same for the ADP3/S2 as the ADP1/S1, since he really recommended against the smaller ADP1/S1 with the S6/C5 setup. I listened, they sound *slightly* better, but since there was a difference I didn't want to always think about it in my HT. It sort of a volume-matching thing, but it's a little more than that. Most calibration should take care of it, but the ADP3's are certainly more capable than the ADP1's. But you are right, for HT user it's not going to matter a ton.

If money isn't a huge issue, try getting them to cut you a better deal if you upgrade to the ADP3's.

As for S2 vs. ADP1/3, that's a personal taste thing (magazine's are mostly useless for higher-end speakers). I prefer the direct-firing rears. But it sounds like you already have listened and prefer the ADP's, so that's cool.

I am no longer a fan of the place I got my Paradigms, EVERY time I call for a price on something they always say I should get the one above what I asked about. I called today about ADP 190's and the guy is like you should get the 290's. Anyhow I ended up getting some used Energy RVSS for surrounds for $119. Talk about not being timbre matched, but hey I am pretty confident they will rock.

I am in final decision mode for a two-channel system for 80/20 music/movies and hoping y'all can help me out. The system i fell in love with at the dealer was a Musical Fidelity x-t100 integrated and the Studio 40s. I am very close to going and picking up the amp today so assuming that is what i will be using to run them. I was pretty set on the Studio 40s, when suddenly it dawned on me that maybe i should get the 60's instead. Since i like the 40's, the dealer said the 60s would be everything i liked about the 40s (imaging, bass, midrange) but even better. My room is about 13x15. What do you guys think? Should I move up the chain and just go for the 60s vs the 40s?

I am in final decision mode for a two-channel system for 80/20 music/movies and hoping y'all can help me out. The system i fell in love with at the dealer was a Musical Fidelity x-t100 integrated and the Studio 40s. I am very close to going and picking up the amp today so assuming that is what i will be using to run them. I was pretty set on the Studio 40s, when suddenly it dawned on me that maybe i should get the 60's instead. Since i like the 40's, the dealer said the 60s would be everything i liked about the 40s (imaging, bass, midrange) but even better. My room is about 13x15. What do you guys think? Should I move up the chain and just go for the 60s vs the 40s?


For 2-channel music, the higher up the chain you can go, the better the overall sound. But you really need to go and listen to them to see if it makes a difference to your ears. Of course, you probably will end up walking out with the 100's, so be prepared!

I am in final decision mode for a two-channel system for 80/20 music/movies and hoping y'all can help me out. The system i fell in love with at the dealer was a Musical Fidelity x-t100 integrated and the Studio 40s. I am very close to going and picking up the amp today so assuming that is what i will be using to run them. I was pretty set on the Studio 40s, when suddenly it dawned on me that maybe i should get the 60's instead. Since i like the 40's, the dealer said the 60s would be everything i liked about the 40s (imaging, bass, midrange) but even better. My room is about 13x15. What do you guys think? Should I move up the chain and just go for the 60s vs the 40s?

Can you afford the 60s? If so give them a listen.

For 2-channel music, the higher up the chain you can go, the better the overall sound. But you really need to go and listen to them to see if it makes a difference to your ears. Of course, you probably will end up walking out with the 100's, so be prepared!

:D

Stay within your budget.

For 2-channel music, the higher up the chain you can go, the better the overall sound. But you really need to go and listen to them to see if it makes a difference to your ears. Of course, you probably will end up walking out with the 100's, so be prepared!

Ha, I would love to walk out with the 100s but with my budget and the girl whose bedroom is on the other side of my apartment wall- i wish!

I plan to go in and check them out except my dealer has to special order them from the other store, so it will be next weekend before that can happen. i was curious if anybody had any comments regarding the pairing with the amp which is 50 real high current wpc, and whether it would even be worth it for a considerably small room.

edit: i should add too that what really appeals to me about the upgrade is the added depth and bass from the 60s over the 40s. However, the more i am reading there are a lot of comments that the 60s have especially weak bass:confused:

I am no longer a fan of the place I got my Paradigms, EVERY time I call for a price on something they always say I should get the one above what I asked about. I called today about ADP 190's and the guy is like you should get the 290's. Anyhow I ended up getting some used Energy RVSS for surrounds for $119. Talk about not being timbre matched, but hey I am pretty confident they will rock.

That can be really annoying. Especially when its forced. If they base their reasoning on a customer to customer basis, pending the needs/situation of the customer, then its ok. But to suggest something just because it is superior to the lower model, it is not welcome.

Next time they suggest something different, I would ask for an explanation why.

The response they give would be a large factor whether I make future purchases there again.

S8 v2 compared to S6 v2

I'm in the process of trying to decide between these two. This is for a setup that will be 90% HT and 10% audio. I will also be getting a C5, ADP1 x4, and a HSU ULS-15 sub.

Pliesj:

I'll go against the majority here and vote for the S8. I compared both the S6 and S8 and even though my main use for speakers is home theater, I felt that the S8 had both music and movies covered better than the S6. For that 10% of time that I listen to music, I can use the S8 as a full range speaker and not feel that I'm missing out on anything. I also feel that the S8's for some reason are more of a perfect tonal match to the C5 center speaker.

For home theater, the S8's are great but I'd also have a sub in the mix as well as with the S6. Oh, did anyone mention that the S8's are incredible looking and are just plain impressive?

with respect to the dipole/monopole configuration. Paradigm's literature suggests using dipoles for both the side surrounds and rear surrounds. The consensus of the forum is monopoles for the rears and either dipole or monopoles for the side surrounds.

I think if you're listening to alot of multi-channel music, then monopole speaker/direct-firing are the way to go. For home theater, I definitely think dipole for the side surrounds and I probably for the rears as well. I tend to agree with the Home Theater Mag guys in their assessment but the AVS guys here are experienced in this area on a daily basis and I would check out their advice thoroughly with respect to the rear speakers.

I'm still putting my home theater together and have only had my S8 and C5 combo for a few days and for now running them off an Onkyo 805 receiver and they still sound incredible.

By any chance does anyone have the Cinema Series 70 Home Theater package? Bottom of the Paradigm barrel but all I could afford for now.. How are they? I bought them recently but have yet to take them out of the box, looking forward to setting it up.. this will be my first speaker so I'm guessing they'll deliver on my expectations.

I'm pretty sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I believe that since v.2, both the Atoms and Titans have mounting holes in their cabinets. Either line would make great surrounds or backs with a Paradigm system. There are also 3rd-party mounting brackets that are more like clamps and do not have screws which penetrate the cabinet.

Hope this post doesn't get flagged for using "screw" and "penetrate" in the same sentence. :D

:p:p:p:p

Is it worth the upgrade from Studio 100 v.2 + CC-590 to the 100 v.4 + CC-690?

My net out of pocket expense would be $1700 (after trade-in on current stuff and taxes). And, my dealer has said that Paradigm is about to raise their rates again :-) so I'm trying to figure out of this is worth pulling the trigger.

Unfortunatley, our local dealer shut down shop and the dealer 2 hours away does not stock Studio 100's. So I do not have option of auditioning. I've Searched thread but could not find many posts directly comparing the v.2 and the v.4.

[Room size is 15' x 25']

Is it worth the upgrade from Studio 100 v.2 + CC-590 to the 100 v.4 + CC-690?

My net out of pocket expense would be $1700 (after trade-in on current stuff and taxes). And, my dealer has said that Paradigm is about to raise their rates again :-) so I'm trying to figure out of this is worth pulling the trigger.

Unfortunatley, our local dealer shut down shop and the dealer 2 hours away does not stock Studio 100's. So I do not have option of auditioning. I've Searched thread but could not find many posts directly comparing the v.2 and the v.4.

[Room size is 15' x 25']

The V.4 uses the old Signature tweeters. It's a marked improvement, but whether you notice any difference or not will be entirely up to you and your ears.

And the price being "worth it" is all about what money is worth to you. For some, $1700 is like $17 or $170 or $17000, so no one can tell you what it's worth for the upgrade.

For my ears and my wallet, I would jump on that upgrade quickly, but I've heard the 100v4's, and to me the upgrade from the v2's is well worth $1700. But just about every parameter in that decision is completely subjective.

So, has anyone compared the v.6 monitor line to v.5?

I am still curious if there is an sq difference due to the new x-over.

Do i miss anything with Paradigm PDR-12 sub with updated system.
Currently I have Studio 100 V4,ADP590,CC690 and old PDR-12.
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451755837971474
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451750317099362
Since Studio 100 can produce Frequences from 44Hz, should I consider another Sub?
Thakas

Do i miss anything with Paradigm PDR-12 sub with updated system.
Currently I have Studio 100 V4,ADP590,CC690 and old PDR-12.
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451755837971474
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451750317099362
Since Studio 100 can produce Frequences from 44Hz, should I consider another Sub?
Thakas

I would give the ID brands a look I am partial to the SVS ULTRA PB-13 although the SERVO-15 is nice but very pricey the PDR-12 i believe can be
beat for the money.

Do i miss anything with Paradigm PDR-12 sub with updated system.
Currently I have Studio 100 V4,ADP590,CC690 and old PDR-12.
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451755837971474
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451750317099362
Since Studio 100 can produce Frequences from 44Hz, should I consider another Sub?
Thakas

IMO whether the Studios go down to 44Hz or not, I'd still look at another sub. Unless of course your satisfied with it.

The PDR-12 just isn't a great sub. You can do alot better @ the same price with ID subs (or wayy better withy DIY :) )

I'm looking to set up a new 5.1 system and I thought I'd go with Paradigms (currently have an *old* set of Titans I've been very happy with, which I'm thinking will end up as rears). Looking on Craigslist to see what's available, there are a set of v.2 Studio 60s and a set of v.5 Monitor 11s, both for $800. I am leaning towards getting the Monitors, mostly because I think it will be easier to get a matching center channel. Any thoughts?

I'm looking to set up a new 5.1 system and I thought I'd go with Paradigms (currently have an *old* set of Titans I've been very happy with, which I'm thinking will end up as rears). Looking on Craigslist to see what's available, there are a set of v.2 Studio 60s and a set of v.5 Monitor 11s, both for $800. I am leaning towards getting the Monitors, mostly because I think it will be easier to get a matching center channel. Any thoughts?

Both 800 I think its a given to go with the reference line.

I would give the ID brands a look I am partial to the SVS ULTRA PB-13 although the SERVO-15 is nice but very pricey the PDR-12 i believe can be
beat for the money.

Servo 15 I think about 2700$ - overkill $$$ , Ultra-13 is 1600$ and looks like a nice one. Did you try it with Studio 100?
What's the ID. Can you give a link to the Web and specific model? Google gives me million "ID"'s
Thanks

Servo 15 I think about 2700$ - overkill $$$ , Ultra-13 is 1600$ and looks like a nice one. Did you try it with Studio 100?
What's the ID. Can you give a link to the Web and specific model? Google gives me million "ID"'s
Thanks

ID = Internet Direct, like SVS, HSU, etc. Check out CraigSub's list.

Hi guy's

Was at my dealer over the weekend looking at the new Signature S6's. My question is, i would like to upgrade my studio 100's V4 to the signature series. For HT use only is it worth the extra hassle to sell my 8 month old 100's for the S6's? Yes, I listened to the S6 series and the sound is great but for the difference in price, is it worth it?

The other thing is my dealer won't take my 100's for a trade in. So i have to sell them private. Will i be taking a big hit on the eight month old 100's?

Cheers,

Hi guy's

Was at my dealer over the weekend looking at the new Signature S6's. My question is, i would like to upgrade my studio 100's V4 to the signature series. For HT use only is it worth the extra hassle to sell my 8 month old 100's for the S6's? Yes, I listened to the S6 series and the sound is great but for the difference in price, is it worth it?

The other thing is my dealer won't take my 100's for a trade in. So i have to sell them private. Will i be taking a big hit on the eight month old 100's?

Cheers,

As has been stated over and over again, "worth it" is something only you can answer. Did you like the sound? More than it will hiit your wallet? Then it's worth it. No? Then it isn't. Money and sound are way too subjective for anyone to answer for you.

As for selling, check out audiogon/videogon to see what they generally go for, based on their condition.

Servo 15 I think about 2700$ - overkill $$$ , Ultra-13 is 1600$ and looks like a nice one. Did you try it with Studio 100?
What's the ID. Can you give a link to the Web and specific model? Google gives me million "ID"'s
Thanks

The Ultra-13 will outclass the Servo15 .v2 in both SQ and output, SVS really hit a homerun with the driver in the Ultra. Lots of measurements have been done...

Here is SVS's website for the Ultra - 13
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13ultra.cfm


There is a textured black unit on the B-Stock page for a $100.00 discount
https://svsound.com/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=12
B-Stock are fully warrantied and a fine value, I bought 3 subs from their b-stock page

The V.4 uses the old Signature tweeters. It's a marked improvement, but whether you notice any difference or not will be entirely up to you and your ears.




With all respect....

The .v4 does not use the old signature tweeters.... they just use the g-pal dome from the sigs, not the whole tweeter...

With all respect....

The .v4 does not use the old signature tweeters.... they just use the g-pal dome from the sigs, not the whole tweeter...

The effective difference being?

Has anybody compared the 100's to the sig 4's ? Thanks

Has anybody compared the 100's to the sig 4's ? Thanks

I am in the process of upgrading the 100's to the S6's. I listened to the S6, compared to my 100's it is more detailed when listening to 2ch music. But when it comes to movies there isn't too much differece( at least i could tell).

But i bet the S4's would be in the same boat. For music i would still choose the Signature series, but for mostly movies it is a toss up.

If your into more music, than S4's would be my choice.

cheers,

The effective difference being?

I guess my hearing may not be as good as some but for me I doubt I could
pick them out in a blind test.

As has been stated over and over again, "worth it" is something only you can answer. Did you like the sound? More than it will hiit your wallet? Then it's worth it. No? Then it isn't. Money and sound are way too subjective for anyone to answer for you.

AbMagFab, the problem many of us face is the impossiblity of comparison listening before we purchase (yes, can return it; but that is a lot hassle for the dealer to order stock that is not purchased).

So, we read the reviews and we turn to our friends on AVS to gather their opinion to help make an informed decision.

For example if some said "I direct compared X and Y and could not hear much difference", I'll weigh that when making my consideration. Or, if someone said "I've compared X and Y and was very impressed by the improvement; I'd personally spend twice what you are considering", I will also weigh that opinion.

What I prefer not to depend on is the dealer who says "trust me, this is the best upgrade ever -- but those expensive speakers from me.".

I'd love to walk down to Hi-Fi Sales and listen, but they went bankrupt. I'd love to drive two hours to Prescott Valley but they don't stock what I'm interested in. Yes, we know it is a personal decision but we value the opinion of others when we have no way to form our own.

The effective difference being?

The tweeter in the Signature line uses dual super neodymium magnets for greater power handling instead of ferrite as in the Studio line.

The .v4 Studio's have a lesser quality magnet structure and only borrowed the Gold Anodized dome (G-Pal dome) from the tweeter of the Sigs.

Not sure why you have to come off so crass all the time... lighten up...

Has anybody compared the 100's to the sig 4's ? Thanks

Hey John... I have both the Studio 100's .v4 and the Sig S4 V.1 in my house. As good as the 100's are, they don't have as precision and accuracy of the Sig S4, I have not yet heard the .v2 Sigs, but I'm sure they are slightly better.

Both are great sounding speakers, but keep in mind the S4's are a 2 1/2 way speaker and the 100's are a true 3 way speaker, which might yield a better mid range due to the dedicated driver.

If I was to do it all over, I would look for a used set of .v2 Sig S6's, but I have to say I love my S4's and they were worth every penny to me. I have my S4's setup in my bedroom with a Sig C3 center and Studio .V4 ADP-590's and JL Audio F112. I and many others have been extremely impressed with this setup.

As good as the Studio 100's are, music for me is better on the S4's despite the 2 1/2 way design...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/BedroomPainted007.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/BedroomPainted008.jpg
Hope this helps.

As good as the Studio 100's are, music for me is better on the S4's despite the 2 1/2 way design...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/BedroomPainted007.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/BedroomPainted008.jpg
Hope this helps.

You have no idea how jealous I am that you have a set of Sig. S4's (and what looks to be a Signature center) in your bedroom! I can only imagine what your main setup must look/sound like. ;)

The effective difference being?

Not sure why you have to come off so crass all the time... lighten up...


Wow... you must be super sensitive or something. Since when is asking a simple question being crass? Or are we all supposed to just accept information and not ask for clarification?

(And yes, that was intended to be confrontational this time.)

Back to the point at hand - Given that the dome material is the same, but you said it was still different without being more specific, I think there's value in understanding that difference.

All that being said, I couldn't tell much of a difference between the Studio V4's and the Signature V1's, which is why I said before they are/seem the same. Theoretical differences aside, they sounded nearly identical to my ears, and I'd go with the Studios in that pair up.

The Sig V2's are definitely an improvement, as has been stated many times.

AbMagFab, the problem many of us face is the impossiblity of comparison listening before we purchase (yes, can return it; but that is a lot hassle for the dealer to order stock that is not purchased).

So, we read the reviews and we turn to our friends on AVS to gather their opinion to help make an informed decision.

For example if some said "I direct compared X and Y and could not hear much difference", I'll weigh that when making my consideration. Or, if someone said "I've compared X and Y and was very impressed by the improvement; I'd personally spend twice what you are considering", I will also weigh that opinion.

What I prefer not to depend on is the dealer who says "trust me, this is the best upgrade ever -- but those expensive speakers from me.".

I'd love to walk down to Hi-Fi Sales and listen, but they went bankrupt. I'd love to drive two hours to Prescott Valley but they don't stock what I'm interested in. Yes, we know it is a personal decision but we value the opinion of others when we have no way to form our own.

Everything else you ask here (in the quotes post) is reasonable - still subjective, but reasonable.

But before you asked specifically if it's worth it. That's an impossible question to answer.

More specifically, you said you liked the sound, and basically just wanted to know if the price made sense - "the sound is great but for the difference in price, is it worth it". So you're specifically not asking about sound quality, just price.

However if I said "yes, it's worth it" - that's meaningless to you. If I make 10x what you make, what money means to me is not the same as to you. Worth really is a useless comparison.

In terms of sound, the Sig V2's are, in my opinion, far better than the Studios V4's. Not really even in the same league. The Sigs have much fuller sound, much truer high ranges, much better cabinets (both for sound and they're prettier), etc. For the money, it's a no brainer, IMO.

For what that's worth...

^^^ Actually he did not ask those questions, I did. rcstevensonaz was just making a point...

"In terms of sound, the Sig V2's are, in my opinion, far better than the Studios V4's. Not really even in the same league"


This is the kind of response i was looking for... Sometimes when you run out of ideas you look for members opinions here..

cheers,

The Ultra-13 will outclass the Servo15 .v2 in both SQ and output, SVS really hit a homerun with the driver in the Ultra. Lots of measurements have been done...

Here is SVS's website for the Ultra - 13
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13ultra.cfm


There is a textured black unit on the B-Stock page for a $100.00 discount
https://svsound.com/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=12
B-Stock are fully warrantied and a fine value, I bought 3 subs from their b-stock page


Looks great Sub, but it's fregging HUGE:
Size: Approx. 27” D x 20.5 " W x 22" H (w/o grill)
Compared to Paradigm PDR-12: 17x13x18.
I guess my wife will kick me to garage with all my toys:p

Where I am going to put it?
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451750317099362

If you are in the $1500 price range why not get the new HSU wireless one.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls15.html

Everything else you ask here (in the quotes post) is reasonable - still subjective, but reasonable.

But before you asked specifically if it's worth it. That's an impossible question to answer.

AbMagFab -- I understand your point and fully agree that ultimately it is my decision to determine if it is "worth it". But, we are all trying to make a quality/value trade-offs. I was curious if anyone had actively looked at the v.2 vs. v.4 and how much "value" they would place on the difference. I know the v.4 is better than the v.2 -- but I did not know if the difference was a significant improvement in sound quality or just a minor enhancement.

I think most people on this thread are pretty rational and balanced. Sure, there are a few who can just drop $10K every time Paradigm releases a new version of their Signature line. But most on the list want to be sure their upgrade dollars deliver real value (against their defintion of 'value' which may or may not match my definition :-). So since I can not audition the difference, I'd like to at least consider the the "worth it" decisions others have made.

More specifically, you said you liked the sound, and basically just wanted to know if the price made sense - "the sound is great but for the difference in price, is it worth it".

As someone else noted, that quote was not mine.

However, I can easily see how my original post could be interpreted as only asking about price. All I can say is that I do care a lot about sound quality, which is why I am considering spending real cash to increase the sound quality. I originally hesitated whether to state my price differential; but I figured that stating a real cost amount would trigger others to say "yea, I think it is worth that" or "no, I listened and can tell you the difference is so small that you would be wasting money and should instead save up for the Signature line instead of that upgrade".

In terms of sound, the Sig V2's are, in my opinion, far better than the Studios V4's. Not really even in the same league. The Sigs have much fuller sound, much truer high ranges, much better cabinets (both for sound and they're prettier), etc. For the money, it's a no brainer, IMO. For what that's worth...

I think your opinion is worth considering. It caused me to do a hard look at whether I could make the finances work to up to the Signature line. I decided that I can't do that now; but the seed is planted and will fester over the next two years :-)

Thanks for your input.

Looks great Sub, but it's fregging HUGE:
Size: Approx. 27” D x 20.5 " W x 22" H (w/o grill)
Compared to Paradigm PDR-12: 17x13x18.
I guess my wife will kick me to garage with all my toys:p

Where I am going to put it?
http://picasaweb.google.com/pervyi1/qeSppG02/photo?authkey=1e56tF92jN4#5239451750317099362

I actually thought the SVS was rather small in size compared to many DIY projects :)

Although I do like the weight of 155 lbs... :)

Hi all,

I just purchased a complete Paradigm setup. Ultra cube 12, millenia 20's and some demo AMS-300s. The dealer didn't have the original instructions so I downloaded the ones from the website. The template appears correct, but when using the in and up method, there isn't room to push the lower part of the mounting bracket into the wall. Either the tweeter back/magnet gets in the way or the mounting screws.

Did any of you have to remove two of the mounting screws to get them in? I am at a loss because the template appears correct even though I am not sure what version these are.

Help please!
Thanks!

Some Paradigm news:


ShoreView Industries, a private equity firm, acquired both Paradigm and Martin Logan. Here are the growth objectives for Paradigm:
http://www.shoreviewindustries.com/portfolio/port2.htm

Recently upgraded from Mini Monitors v.5 to Studio 20 v.3 and have been running CC-290. System sounds OK with 290 but I know everyone recommends timbre matching the center with the fronts - will I be better off with the 470 v.3 even though it has lower sensitivity rating but better frequency response? Appreciate fellow Paradigmer's input!

Recently upgraded from Mini Monitors v.5 to Studio 20 v.3 and have been running CC-290. System sounds OK with 290 but I know everyone recommends timbre matching the center with the fronts - will I be better off with the 470 v.3 even though it has lower sensitivity rating but better frequency response? Appreciate fellow Paradigmer's input!

I would absoultely run the 470 v.3, especially being a whole different line..

I couldn't even stand v.3 monitor with v.5 monitor.

I would absoultely run the 470 v.3, especially being a whole different line..

I couldn't even stand v.3 monitor with v.5 monitor. I have a similar question. I have the studio 60 v3.0 and although the current recommendation is cc 590/690 those are a little bit out of range for me. What centers match the 60 v3.0 if you could go back to what was recommended when the v3.0 was first released? Thanks.

I'm a long time Polk fan and one immediate difference I notice between the two is that I can pick up the phone and call Polk about a vintage 30 year speaker and get support/advice/parts. I tried getting an answer to the above question with Paradigm, their web contact via e-mail page did not work. I called support, chose the US support number, had to leave a msg. for a callback which never happened. The dealers in my area are just as clueless as Best Buy or CC salesmen , about what they are selling.

I have a similar question. I have the studio 60 v3.0 and although the current recommendation is cc 590/690 those are a little bit out of range for me. What centers match the 60 v3.0 if you could go back to what was recommended when the v3.0 was first released? Thanks.

I'm a long time Polk fan and one immediate difference I notice between the two is that I can pick up the phone and call Polk about a vintage 30 year speaker and get support/advice/parts. I tried getting an answer to the above question with Paradigm, their web contact via e-mail page did not work. I called support, chose the US support number, had to leave a msg. for a callback which never happened. The dealers in my area are just as clueless as Best Buy or CC salesmen , about what they are selling.

Mits, The CC-470 or CC-570 v3 are the centers that match the 60 v3. I would shop around and compare what prices you can get one of them for, just to see how those prices compare to the 590 or 690, and then make your decision.

Mits, The CC-470 or CC-570 v3 are the centers that match the 60 v3. I would shop around and compare what prices you can get one of them for, just to see how those prices compare to the 590 or 690, and then make your decision. Thanks ! I did find a used 590 at a good discount but it's still too rich for me , (and + it won't fit under my TV in the rack)since I've still got to spend on a good receiver and surrounds. Final question(s): (1)Is the 590/690 a significant upgrade in sound, was it designed to match something new in the v4.0 studios? (2)I'm assuming I would get ADP 470's.

Looks like v.5 Studios are on their way and its much more than just cosmetics that are being upgraded. The cabinets look tapered and it could possibly be real wood veneers although it's hard to tell from the pictures. The smaller tower (60?) has an an added bass driver and there are now two 2-way standmounts.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4463/studiov5td1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4463/studiov5td1.f2fb76b773.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=137&i=studiov5td1.jpg)

Thanks ! I did find a used 590 at a good discount but it's still too rich for me , (and + it won't fit under my TV in the rack)since I've still got to spend on a good receiver and surrounds. Final question(s): (1)Is the 590/690 a significant upgrade in sound, was it designed to match something new in the v4.0 studios? (2)I'm assuming I would get ADP 470's.

Mits, take a look at my post 8198, and you'll see that I took my time putting my system together. I ran ADP-370 surrounds before getting the ADP-590's and had no problem with sound.

I upgraded my center channel from the Monitor series CC-390 (which I had between L/R Studio 100's v3) to the Studio CC690 so the upgrade in sound was more significant I'm sure than if I had went from CC570.

Ultimately, I'm suggesting you stay within your price range, and get the pieces you can afford right now, enjoy them, and begin to build on it from there.

Looks like v.5 Studios are on their way and its much more than just cosmetics that are being upgraded. The cabinets look tapered and it could possibly be real wood veneers although it's hard to tell from the pictures. The smaller tower (60?) has an an added bass driver and there are now two 2-way standmounts.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4463/studiov5td1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4463/studiov5td1.f2fb76b773.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=137&i=studiov5td1.jpg)

Very sweet. I was waiting to hear some comfirmation news about these. Time to start saving my pennies. Did you get a chance to see what the center channels look like? More shots if possible please!

Looks like v.5 Studios are on their way and its much more than just cosmetics that are being upgraded. The cabinets look tapered and it could possibly be real wood veneers although it's hard to tell from the pictures. The smaller tower (60?) has an an added bass driver and there are now two 2-way standmounts.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4463/studiov5td1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/4463/studiov5td1.f2fb76b773.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=137&i=studiov5td1.jpg)

Those look an awful lot like Sigs... You sure they're Studios?

Those look an awful lot like Sigs... You sure they're Studios?

The midrange color looks just like Studio's and the lowest Sig isnt a front ported design. I do agree the far right kinda reminded me of the sigs though.

Those look an awful lot like Sigs... You sure they're Studios?They are V.5 Studio's.
Confirmed. No price or model numbers, yet. Wait till tomorrow for more info.

The midrange color looks just like Studio's and the lowest Sig isnt a front ported design. I do agree the far right kinda reminded me of the sigs though.

The left two might be new Studios (like a 20 and 60). But the right two look like an S2 and an S6. I'd be shocked if they weren't.

Holy COW... thats interesting news, and thanks for the pics... they look great...

Also you can see that the tweeters are not Be...

I wonder how the price is going to be..

I wonder how the 40's would sound after they took away one driver from 2 1/2-way to 2-way system.

I wonder how the 40's would sound after they took away one driver from 2 1/2-way to 2-way system.

They offer that it is a 20.

Looks like the speaker on the far left is a smaller driver... Studio 10? Oval Port on that one... strange..

Look completely different IMO... more rounded cabinet then the signatures... Almost like KEF's

Shame they didn't remove the Grill holes and go magnetic... I have a feeling they will be making some major changes to the Signatures next year...


http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6252&d=1220651770

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_34/signatures8_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_67/signatures6_12_off.jpg

Looks like the speaker on the far left is a smaller driver... Studio 10? Oval Port on that one... strange..

Look completely different IMO... more rounded cabinet then the signatures... Almost like KEF's

Shame they didn't remove the Grill holes and go magnetic... I have a feeling they will be making some major changes to the Signatures next year...


http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6252&d=1220651770

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_34/signatures8_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_67/signatures6_12_off.jpg


Thats what I was thinking, maybe the far left is a new model in the studio set, would be cool if they had one cheaper. As for magnetic I can say that my v.5 Titans and CC190 have the magnetic and they suck, of course the v.6 they did fix them so they stayed centered which is why mine suck.

Mits, there is someone on fleabay selling 1 studio 20 v3. that would make a good center if you can fit it in somehow. less than 24 hours if you are interested.

Looks like the speaker on the far left is a smaller driver... Studio 10? Oval Port on that one... strange..

Look completely different IMO... more rounded cabinet then the signatures... Almost like KEF's

Shame they didn't remove the Grill holes and go magnetic... I have a feeling they will be making some major changes to the Signatures next year...


http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6252&d=1220651770

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_34/signatures8_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_67/signatures6_12_off.jpg


Huh? The one on the right looks exactly like a Sig6 with one more driver or something.

The second from the right looks exactly like a S2.

I think those are "all" from the new Sig lineup....I seriously doubt there going to have that Studio series so closely resembling the Sigs unless they are planning some major changes to the Sig's them self.

I think those are "all" from the new Sig lineup....I seriously doubt there going to have that Studio series so closely resembling the Sigs unless they are planning some major changes to the Sig's them self.

The midrange drivers are the dead give-away that these are Studio's based on pictures alone. Plus, it's been confirmed by UltimateAV, source of the picture, that these are Studio's. I do believe we'll see quite a price increase in the Studio line because there is such a large price difference between the Studio's and Sig's right now which is highly disproportionate to the difference in quality. Increase the price of the Studio's, sell more Sig's.

The midrange drivers are the dead give-away that these are Studio's based on pictures alone. Plus, it's been confirmed by UltimateAV, source of the picture, that these are Studio's. I do believe we'll see quite a price increase in the Studio line because there is such a large price difference between the Studio's and Sig's right now which is highly disproportionate to the difference in quality. Increase the price of the Studio's, sell more Sig's.

Sounds logical....

So your saying the 2nd one from the right is not a Sig S2?

The midrange drivers are the dead give-away that these are Studio's based on pictures alone. Plus, it's been confirmed by UltimateAV, source of the picture, that these are Studio's. I do believe we'll see quite a price increase in the Studio line because there is such a large price difference between the Studio's and Sig's right now which is highly disproportionate to the difference in quality. Increase the price of the Studio's, sell more Sig's.

I agree with you... as I said before, I think they will be working hard on upgrading the Sigs at next years Cedia to spread more distance between the STudio's and the Sigs...

New News - Paradigm Studio .V5 & Signature Inwall ADP's...
From here... http://www.castercomm.com/prView.cfm?cid=113&id=209

Looks to me, it will offer less of a dead zone or null area like the wall mounted versions. I like them...

I'm curious as to whether these are sealed, I would imagine they would be, but they look great and will provide a welcome improvement in aesthetics. Looks to me that this is the Studio version pictured with the G-Pal tweeter...

Sorry about the stupid long picture they have there..
http://www.castercomm.com/gallery/hiRes/Paradigm%20SIG-ADP.jpg

I'm curious as to whether these are sealed, I would imagine they would be

The press release implies they are part of the SA series: "Studio Series v.5 technology incorporated into the design of SA-ADP". My SA-35s and SA-30s are not sealed. I would venture a guess that these will not be, either.

I believe this particular speaker is the signature version (SIG-ADP) but the SA-ADP probably looks very similar.

So much talk about what's new I thought I'd post some photos I finally got around to taking of my "new" Paradigm Signature (v1) speakers for my Photo Album (http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/album_personal.php?user_id=3). I bought these 2 years ago... ;)

S8 v1 left/right, C5 center, ADP Surrounds, and an older Studio Servo-15 sub.

Some of the 'sexy speaker' shots with the grills off (normally they're on of course):

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_3_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_4_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_5_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_6_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_7_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_8_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_9_resize.jpg

A few extra shots:

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_2_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_10_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_11_resize.jpg

http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_12_resize.jpg

I still need to wrap up the speakers with some velvet-like fabric like I had with my old speakers so as to cut light reflection as light bounce off the side speakers is distracting at times from the viewing seat. I hate to hide them as the wood finish is great (and matches my bar stools perfectly!) but it does make a difference. It's been 2 years and counting however ... who knows when I'll get around to it. ;)

Kal

So much talk about what's new I thought I'd post some photos I finally got around to taking of my "new" Paradigm Signature (v1) speakers for my Photo Album (http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/album_personal.php?user_id=3). I bought these 2 years ago... ;)

S8 v1 left/right, C5 center, ADP Surrounds, and an older Studio Servo-15 sub.

Kal

Some nice looking photos and even more impressive speakers!! :D

Beauty.
Can't say much more.
wow!

methinks you need that new Sub-25 Kal :)

kal.... that is a formidable theater setup... I can only imagine how incredible it sounds in your theater.... Thanks for sharing your pics...

I have a great love for the tight sound of the Sigs... as well as how spectacular they look in person... Stunning...

Real wood veneers confirmed for the Studio v.5 with shipping starting in January.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1640/studio20v5ca9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Real wood veneers confirmed for the Studio v.5 with shipping starting in January.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/1640/studio20v5ca9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Any News on the Pricing Yet????

Any word on changes besides cosmetics/finish?

Any News on the Pricing Yet????

I know when I spoke with my Paradigm dealer last week he said a price increase on the Monitor line was coming, 10-20 bucks more, wether that carries over to all speakers we shall see.

I know when I spoke with my Paradigm dealer last week he said a price increase on the Monitor line was coming, 10-20 bucks more, wether that carries over to all speakers we shall see.

I think he is asking about the new Studio v.5 line. I hope they don't go to increase the price on the Monitor v.6 as the just announced them a month ago and put out a price list. That would look bad to increase them so soon. They should've figured that out before they release.

I think he is asking about the new Studio v.5 line. I hope they don't go to increase the price on the Monitor v.6 as the just announced them a month ago and put out a price list. That would look bad to increase them so soon. They should've figured that out before they release.

Yes he was asking about the Studio's, thats why I said I am not sure if the price increase would carry over to other lines.

Yes he was asking about the Studio's, thats why I said I am not sure if the price increase would carry over to other lines.

It looks like there will be a significant price increase if they are going to a real wood veneer instead of a laminate veneer.

It looks like there will be a significant price increase if they are going to a real wood veneer instead of a laminate veneer.

Wouldnt suprise me at all heh. I was caught off gaurd when he said the prices were going up cause what I asked him was with the new v6 monitor line coming out are the v5's going to go down and this was when he said prices were rising a tad.

Paradigm deserves the money. Those new 20's (alledgedly) are down right gorgeous!

Beauty.
Can't say much more.
wow!

methinks you need that new Sub-25 Kal :)
Or a couple of Signature subs. ;) (In all seriousness I'd really like 2 to make it easier to even things out a bit...)

Kal

The new rubber surrounds on the driver aren't "inverted" anymore =O

If the speaker pictured by itself is the new Studio 20 then there must be what a "Studio Mini" with the oval port? I am looking to buy Paradigm this fall/winter so this is just in time. I already have my Pioneer 5080 and Rotel RMB-1075,now I need a bluray player, receiver and speakers. Anyone know what matches with Paradigm sound best, Marantz or Denon? Thanks

If the speaker pictured by itself is the new Studio 20 then there must be what a "Studio Mini" with the oval port? I am looking to buy Paradigm this fall/winter so this is just in time. I already have my Pioneer 5080 and Rotel RMB-1075,now I need a bluray player, receiver and speakers. Anyone know what matches with Paradigm sound best, Marantz or Denon? Thanks

My Paradigm dealer like Denon a lot. And of course Anthem works nicely.

I did have an Anthem PVA-5 for this system but sold it to my cousin and bought the Rotel instead. Maybe a bit more power from the Rotel as per the specs but not sure if I would have noticed much difference between the two as far as sound.

If the speaker pictured by itself is the new Studio 20 then there must be what a "Studio Mini" with the oval port? I am looking to buy Paradigm this fall/winter so this is just in time. I already have my Pioneer 5080 and Rotel RMB-1075,now I need a bluray player, receiver and speakers. Anyone know what matches with Paradigm sound best, Marantz or Denon? Thanks

Since you have a rotel RMB 1075 why not wait and get the new 15 series Pre/Pro from Rotel.. I have the RSP 1068 with the RMB 1075 and it sounds great with my Studio's.. Also, i like the way Rotel looks in my Audio rack.



cheers,

I have to wait and see what it comes in at in CDN funds. Supposed to have an MSRP of around $2200.00 I think but who knows. I could get the new lower end Rotel receiver RSX-1550 maybe, as it should be a bit cheaper.

I did have an Anthem PVA-5 for this system but sold it to my cousin and bought the Rotel instead. Maybe a bit more power from the Rotel as per the specs but not sure if I would have noticed much difference between the two as far as sound.

I assumed he meant pre-pro/AVR?

Thats right, I guess we were talking processing and not amps. I am not sure if I could afford any of the Anthem pre/pros though. Maybe the new Rotel but not Anthem.

Quick questions for the people with Studio 60's? What cross over do you like the best with these speakers for movies? 60Hz or 80HZ? or is it just a personal preference.. I know standard is 80Hz but do you think they play better with 60?

cheers,

Same answer, I gave 100 times...
Your room should be the deciding factor for where you crossover your speakers, you need to measure and test both scenarios and plot out your room response. Its not just a personal preference, its what measures best in your room, where you have the best flattest FR overall IN YOUR ROOM, EVERY ROOM IS DIFFERENT.

You can do this with a Laptop, mic Room EQ Wizard or do it with a spl meter and plot it on paper with test tones... Search is your friend.

Same answer, I gave 100 times...
Your room should be the deciding factor for where you crossover your speakers, you need to measure and test both scenarios and plot out your room response. Its not just a personal preference, its what measures best in your room, where you have the best flattest FR overall IN YOUR ROOM, EVERY ROOM IS DIFFERENT.

You can do this with a Laptop, mic Room EQ Wizard or do it with a spl meter and plot it on paper with test tones... Search is your friend.

That's not what i was asking. Thanks for showing up.:rolleyes:

Hey guys. i'm trying to wrap up my theater. i have some adp studio v.2 surrounds for the sides and was going to use some older titans for the back surrounds mounted on the ceiling bouncing off the back wall. ceiling and riser heights will no longer allow this so i was wondering if i should get another set of adps for the backs.

the room is only 13.5' wide by 16.5' deep, so 5.1 should be fine, but i'ld hate to waste those 2 channels!!

i have a denon 2809ci waiting to power the setup.

so if you were in my situation, would you pick up another pair of adps?

i have a chance at TWO pairs of adps. one set is the same as my original studio adp v.2. the other is the ADP 470 studio Reference V3. i can get either for about the same price...actually the 470s are a little less. are the 470s better or did paradigm downgrade them from the studio v2s. or are they close to the same.

thanks for your help!!

That's not what i was asking. Thanks for showing up.:rolleyes:

You are asking what other people with the same speakers as you are doing for a crossover in their rooms.... :confused: You have a completely different room, and your rooms response will be different then what someone else's room is, so you can't go by what their settings are, you have to test your own rooms response and set your crossover accordingly.

That is exactly what you were asking.....

When I set my system up in my room, I checked both the 60hz cross, and the 80hz cross, and measurements told me that I had a big huge dropout of sound (null) in the 60hz range. -10db.... Even after trying to boost that area with my SMS-1 EQ I couldn't get that null flat.

When I crossed over at 80hz, I got a much flatter response, which was easier to correct with EQ and yielded a far better response for any problem areas I had in my particular room.... Every room is different, you have to experiment in your own room... to find out what works best...

Good Luck....

*****I see you have now edited your post to remove what I had already quoted from you*****

I'm in the hunt for a dedicated cd player and I'd like to know what some of my fellow Paradigm owners use. I know that synergy is important and I've read that NAD and Rotel both have good synergy with Paradigm, but what else out that sounds great with the Paradigms?

As it stands now, I will be sending the signal via analog interconnects to my Denon receiver and then on to my two Paradigm Studio 20 v.4 speakers. I only have two speakers and I use the setup for movies and music. Eventually, I'll complete the HT and I'll get a dedicated amp to run the two front speakers for when I am just listening to music.

I have limited choices on what I can audition in the local a/v shops around town, basically NAD, Arcam, Naim, Rega and Rotel. All of these companies make good cd players but since I haven't found a shop that will let me audition a player with my own setup I'd like to know what some of your opinions are on players I should consider.

My budget is $750 new or used.

Thanks!

I'm in the hunt for a dedicated cd player and I'd like to know what some of my fellow Paradigm owners use. I know that synergy is important and I've read that NAD and Rotel both have good synergy with Paradigm, but what else out that sounds great with the Paradigms?

As it stands now, I will be sending the signal via analog interconnects to my Denon receiver and then on to my two Paradigm Studio 20 v.4 speakers. I only have two speakers and I use the setup for movies and music. Eventually, I'll complete the HT and I'll get a dedicated amp to run the two front speakers for when I am just listening to music.

I have limited choices on what I can audition in the local a/v shops around town, basically NAD, Arcam, Naim, Rega and Rotel. All of these companies make good cd players but since I haven't found a shop that will let me audition a player with my own setup I'd like to know what some of your opinions are on players I should consider.

My budget is $750 new or used.

Thanks!
Of those you mentioned I would get the Arcam but for me personally the
new Oppo 983 would be my choice.

Its not just a personal preference, its what measures best in your room, where you have the best flattest FR overall IN YOUR ROOM, EVERY ROOM IS DIFFERENT.

Just a very small nit to pick with this statement. I would argue it's 100% personal preference. No matter how great the measurements are if you don't like the sound you should change it to what ever you like. Yes, it may be technically incorrect, but you're the one that has to listen to it so what ever makes you happy should be what you listen to.

Just a very small nit to pick with this statement. I would argue it's 100% personal preference. No matter how great the measurements are if you don't like the sound you should change it to what ever you like. Yes, it may be technically incorrect, but you're the one that has to listen to it so what ever makes you happy should be what you listen to.

John, alas you are correct. If one would decide to not measure and just go by ear, and find one solution sounds better then the other so be it... If this is what your room is doing to your signal, and find it acceptable, so be it. Which graph would you prefer in your room... and which do you think would sound better... For aid in helping others...
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/acoustics/velodyne-sms-1-subwoofer-parametric-eq-system/SMS1graphicresults2.jpg/image_preview

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/acoustics/velodyne-sms-1-subwoofer-parametric-eq-system/SMS1graphicresults1.jpg/image_preview
I proclaim that knowing how your room responds and being able to correct the problems that lie within would be the next step in achieving better quality sound. A subwoofer response that is not flat is not truly able to reproduce the original signal properly.

An SMS-1 is a very very easy tool to aid in measuring your in room response as well as gaining the benefit to adjust EQ on the fly... obviously it has its limitations, but better then nothing at all I say...
Here is one of my early testing shots before final placement and correction of my Dual SVS-Plus/2 with Studio 100's please forgive the blurry photo. I have since been able to eliminate the unwanted high boost in the 40-50hz range.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/HTPics014.jpg

Here is a good read on the SMS, http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/acoustics/velodyne-sms-1-subwoofer-parametric-eq-system

With a little more work, and knowledge, one could achieve equal or better results for cheaper with REW and a laptop and a BFD 2496. There are newer and upcoming subwoofer EQ's out there that will aid in knowing your room, and blending your sub with your mains if need be...

Of those you mentioned I would get the Arcam but for me personally the
new Oppo 983 would be my choice.

I would second the recommendation for an Oppo, however the 983's claim to fame is the Anchor Bay video processing. For pure audio performance, the 981is likely identical. However, the real power of the Oppos, IMHO, is to use them as a digital transport. I use my Oppo to play CD, SACD, DVD & DVD-A, and all of those formats are transferrred digitally over HDMI. I personally think that high-end dedicated CD players are, for the most part, an anachronism when players like the Oppo can bitstream (arguably perfectly) to a Pre/Pro or AVR.

Hey guys. i'm trying to wrap up my theater. i have some adp studio v.2 surrounds for the sides and was going to use some older titans for the back surrounds mounted on the ceiling bouncing off the back wall. ceiling and riser heights will no longer allow this so i was wondering if i should get another set of adps for the backs.

the room is only 13.5' wide by 16.5' deep, so 5.1 should be fine, but i'ld hate to waste those 2 channels!!

i have a denon 2809ci waiting to power the setup.

so if you were in my situation, would you pick up another pair of adps?

i have a chance at TWO pairs of adps. one set is the same as my original studio adp v.2. the other is the ADP 470 studio Reference V3. i can get either for about the same price...actually the 470s are a little less. are the 470s better or did paradigm downgrade them from the studio v2s. or are they close to the same.


I have a pair of ADP470 v3 as my side surrounds and they are phenomenal; I can't comment on the comparison to v2's however, since I haven't heard that vintage of ADPs. I would think that the v3s are improved; however, I think the deciding factor would be to use what's closest to you front stage.

I would, however, strongly recommend sticking with the Titans as your back surrounds (I have mini-monitors in back in an otherwise studio set-up and they do great in the least critical channels). While people debate the mertits of direct radiating vs. di/bipole as side surrounds, almost all universally agree that rear surrounds should be direct radiating. Also, I don't understand why you would ceiling mount the Titans firing into the rear wall. Ceiling mount (or put them on stands) facing towards the listening position at the positions given by Dolby's recommendations. If your seating is against the rear wall, then you should stay 5.1, as 7.1 usually just doesn't work in that situation. Don't think of it as wasting the extra channels, since unless it's done properly, it will detract from an otherwise well set-up 5.1 system.

I would second the recommendation for an Oppo, however the 983's claim to fame is the Anchor Bay video processing. For pure audio performance, the 981is likely identical. However, the real power of the Oppos, IMHO, is to use them as a digital transport. I use my Oppo to play CD, SACD, DVD & DVD-A, and all of those formats are transferrred digitally over HDMI. I personally think that high-end dedicated CD players are, for the most part, an anachronism when players like the Oppo can bitstream (arguably perfectly) to a Pre/Pro or AVR.

I have read up immensely on the Oppo's and I think they are a viable choice. I don't plan on entering the SACD and DVD-A realm so while it's a plus the Oppo can read those formats, they are useless to me. I also do not have an HDMI input on my AVR, so I can't bitstream the audio to my AVR via HDMI. Does anyone know what DAC the Oppo 981 or 983 has? I can't seem to find any info besides 24bit / 192kHz. Thanks for the info.

Any thoughts on JoLida JD 100A or an Exposure 2010?

John, alas you are correct. If one would decide to not measure and just go by ear, and find one solution sounds better then the other so be it... If this is what your room is doing to your signal, and find it acceptable, so be it. Which graph would you prefer in your room... and which do you think would sound better... For aid in helping others...

I agree with what you're saying regarding measurements, but no matter how you slice it sound is a subjective thing. You will always have what an artist/musician intends something to sound like and what a person likes to hear. The majority of the time the two should be the same but in the cases where they are not, as the owner of the equipment in your own listening space, you should listen to what makes you happy regardless of the measurements.

I proclaim that knowing how your room responds and being able to correct the problems that lie within would be the next step in achieving better quality sound. A subwoofer response that is not flat is not truly able to reproduce the original signal properly.

Again I agree but "quality" sound is also subjective.

For some crazy reason my Dad likes to listen to pipe organ music. One day while visiting he left the room while I was being subjected to this torture. He has a well treated and measured two channel setup to listen to this noise. While he was out of the room I turned his speakers out about 45 degrees so they were pointing directly at some acoustic panels he has on the wall. The scratching of the fingernails on a blackboard sound that I had been listening to went away and the music became somewhat tolerable. Basically the highs became very muted. Not what the organist had interned and it certainly ruined the FR but it was something that I could live with.

I know this is an extreme example but my point is no matter what the measurements say if one doesn't like the sound they should make adjustments until they like it regardless of the measurements. :)

i have read up immensely on the oppo's and i think they are a viable choice. I don't plan on entering the sacd and dvd-a realm so while it's a plus the oppo can read those formats, they are useless to me. I also do not have an hdmi input on my avr, so i can't bitstream the audio to my avr via hdmi. Does anyone know what dac the oppo 981 or 983 has? I can't seem to find any info besides 24bit / 192khz. Thanks for the info.

Any thoughts on jolida jd 100a or an exposure 2010?

cirrus logic cs4361

I have a pair of ADP470 v3 as my side surrounds and they are phenomenal; I can't comment on the comparison to v2's however, since I haven't heard that vintage of ADPs. I would think that the v3s are improved; however, I think the deciding factor would be to use what's closest to you front stage.

I would, however, strongly recommend sticking with the Titans as your back surrounds (I have mini-monitors in back in an otherwise studio set-up and they do great in the least critical channels). While people debate the mertits of direct radiating vs. di/bipole as side surrounds, almost all universally agree that rear surrounds should be direct radiating. Also, I don't understand why you would ceiling mount the Titans firing into the rear wall. Ceiling mount (or put them on stands) facing towards the listening position at the positions given by Dolby's recommendations. If your seating is against the rear wall, then you should stay 5.1, as 7.1 usually just doesn't work in that situation. Don't think of it as wasting the extra channels, since unless it's done properly, it will detract from an otherwise well set-up 5.1 system.


your last statement is correct. the backrow will be about 4" from the backrow. i had a similar situation in my last theater, but had some ceiling height, so i mounted them on the ceiling and used a laser level and a mirror to aim the speakers so they were aimed at the prime listening position. so is the consensus that a 5.1 setup would yeild better results and that the use of a dipole or two for the back surround would be a bad idea? :(

so is the consensus that a 5.1 setup would yeild better results and that the use of a dipole or two for the back surround would be a bad idea? :(

In general, with seating against the rear wall, 5.1 is difficult and 7.1 is impossible. Since you have mulltiples rows, however, you could optimize things for the front row, however, the rear surrounds might be obtrusive to the back row. You'd have to try it to be sure. Also, in general, direct radiators are preferred for the rear surrounds, even with dipoles at the sides.

You will probably have better luck if you re-post your question, along with a room diagram, over in the Audio Theorey, Set-up and Chat Forum.

Hope this helps...

hi

i have HT 7.1

Front - Studio 60's v4
Center - CC590 V4
Surround - Studio 20 v4
Surroundback - old TITANS v3
Sub - PW2200

receiver onkyo TX-SR803
also i have a APPLE TV - love it

50% MUSIC - 50% MOVIES -

SOON WILL UPGRADE TO STUDIO VERSION 5 or SIGNATURE SERIES.
I WILL AUDITION it.

Thanks

hi

i have HT 7.1

Front - Studio 60's v4
Center - CC590 V4
Surround - Studio 20 v4
Surroundback - old TITANS v3
Sub - PW2200

receiver onkyo TX-SR803
also i have a APPLE TV - love it

50% MUSIC - 50% MOVIES -

SOON WILL UPGRADE TO STUDIO VERSION 5 or SIGNATURE SERIES.
I WILL AUDITION it.

Thanks

Nice set up. Have you been bit by the upgrade bug? Your speakers are fine. How about looking at some separates and a sub?

nice set up. Have you been bit by the upgrade bug? Your speakers are fine. How about looking at some separates and a sub?

+1

nice set up. Have you been bit by the upgrade bug? Your speakers are fine. How about looking at some separates and a sub?+2

Exactly. No point in going to signatures unless you have the electronics to drive them. Driving a set of Sig's with the onkyo 803 would be very much unbalanced as the Onkyo is not up to the same standards.

To the others: He does have a sub however, the PW2200

Kal

Exactly. No point in going to signatures unless you have the electronics to drive them. Driving a set of Sig's with the onkyo 803 would be very much unbalanced as the Onkyo is not up to the same standards.

To the others: He does have a sub however, the PW2200

KalNah....The sub could be upgraded!

Nah....The sub could be upgraded!
In fact, if he is going to drive those Studio's with a receiver, he would be better off adding additional subwoofers to take some stress off of the receiver. Two for the sides and rears and one each for the fronts.

True. A better sub would be good (or two subs) but before going to Sigs I think better electronics are needed otherwise it's just not worth it.

Kal

Just thought I'd mention that I just got the Paradigm Monitor 7 v.6's today, for a bedroom setup, and they are really great.

Big improvement from the Atom Monitor v.5's.

Cost was $675, so for the price I really like them.

Can anyone recommend a multichannel, stereo or monoblock amp that will really make the Paradigm Signatures sing and will make them put out their full potential?

Although my use of the Signatures is mostly home theater, I still want to give them a great power source, but I don't want to spend a ton of money.

I've looked at Emotiva, Bel Canto, Wyred 4 Sound, Parasound, D-Sonic, etc, etc. I know that I could spend thousands of dollars and get Anthem, Krell, but since I don't use these speakers much and when I do it's mostly home theater, I'd rather get the best bang for the buck. (I did like the idea of having a full balanced amp or monoblocks to have XLR connectors for long runs of cable or to have a really low noise floor).

Any suggestions, advice, comments would be appreciated. Thanks!

Can anyone recommend a multichannel, stereo or monoblock amp that will really make the Paradigm Signatures sing and will make them put out their full potential?

Although my use of the Signatures is mostly home theater, I still want to give them a great power source, but I don't want to spend a ton of money.

I've looked at Emotiva, Bel Canto, Wyred 4 Sound, Parasound, D-Sonic, etc, etc. I know that I could spend thousands of dollars and get Anthem, Krell, but since I don't use these speakers much and when I do it's mostly home theater, I'd rather get the best bang for the buck. (I did like the idea of having a full balanced amp or monoblocks to have XLR connectors for long runs of cable or to have a really low noise floor).

Any suggestions, advice, comments would be appreciated. Thanks!

A new or used Rotel 1095 will get the job done. Rotel just annouced a new line of equipment at CEIDA so some used 1095s may start showing up on audiogon.

Can anyone recommend a multichannel, stereo or monoblock amp that will really make the Paradigm Signatures sing and will make them put out their full potential?

Although my use of the Signatures is mostly home theater, I still want to give them a great power source, but I don't want to spend a ton of money.

I've looked at Emotiva, Bel Canto, Wyred 4 Sound, Parasound, D-Sonic, etc, etc. I know that I could spend thousands of dollars and get Anthem, Krell, but since I don't use these speakers much and when I do it's mostly home theater, I'd rather get the best bang for the buck. (I did like the idea of having a full balanced amp or monoblocks to have XLR connectors for long runs of cable or to have a really low noise floor).

Any suggestions, advice, comments would be appreciated. Thanks!
If its in the budget it don't get much meaner than a p5 from Anthem.

If its in the budget it don't get much meaner than a p5 from Anthem.
While some will say the Anthem P5 is expensive (it's not an inexpensive item by any stretch), it's actually a very good value for what it does at "only" $1K/channel (List price is $5K but most dealers will do better).

Here's a good review on it: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_4/anthem-statement-p5-amplifier-12-2004.html

The Anthem A5 is also a good performer. 180W/ch instead of 325W/ch at about 1/2 the price.

Both pair amazingly well with Paradigm Signatures (no surprise since they're from the same company) and will 'open up' the speakers and let you hear their full potential, assuming your source devices up-stream are also of the same calibre.

Kal

+1 for Anthem A5. :) It's what I own and I think its great.. It works great with my Studio 100s/CC-690

Also, in general, direct radiators are preferred for the rear surrounds, even with dipoles at the sides.

Hope this helps...

Could you expand on this as it seems to differ from Paradigm's recommendations? I am about to get a Cinema 90 series and then add 2 more ADPs for the back 2 channels, are you saying I should get 2 more 90s instead?

Could you expand on this as it seems to differ from Paradigm's recommendations? I am about to get a Cinema 90 series and then add 2 more ADPs for the back 2 channels, are you saying I should get 2 more 90s instead?

Surround channels in 5.1 (the side surrounds in 7.1) should create an enveloping soundfield. Rear surrounds (the additional back speakers in 7.1) should solidly anchor sound at the rear of the room. Dipoles do a great job of creating a soundfield that seems to be emminating from all around you. This is not, however what you want from the rear channels. If the rear channels are dipoles, you will get very little left/right seperation in back (not that there's too much discrete 7.1 anyway) more importantly, however, is that bi/dipoles in back will scatter off the side walls much more, diminishing the effect you're trying to achieve, that the sound is in back of you.

One way to think of it is to look at Dolby's room layout diagrams (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout2.html), you see that the front three (LCR) should cover 45-60 degrees for the main soundstage; the rear two surrounds cover 60-90 degrees; which leaves the side surrounds responsible for covering more than 100 degrees of an arc each. IMHO, bi/dipoles are the way to go at the sides, to fill that large angular expanse between the front and rear stages. The rear surrounds have a much easier job, just to solidly anchor the rear stage at the back of the room.

I've played around with different types of surrounds in different locations and have found that direct radiators at the sides are too localizable (they don't truly 'surround' you) while di/bipoles in back are too diffuse, the sound isn't solidly in back of you. With a direct radiator in back, you often get that "WTF was that?" effect and chills up your spine when an effect is heard in back of you. The Orphanage BluRay has a DTS-MA 7.1 soundtrack that, along with Guillermo Del Torro's production, will scare the &*$^ out of you!

For a Cinema system, I would strongly recommend ADPs at the sides and 90's (or even 70's if your AVR has flexible bass management) instead for the back channels. Also, if you can buy and fit a single 90, it will make a better CC than the Cinema center. Three 90's up front, ADPs at the sides and 90s (or 70s) in back would be my choice.

Just wanted to say hi, Ive read this forum for along time and thanks everyone for all the great info here.

I had a pair of Studio 60s v.4 but sold them when I learned of the V.5 coming. Instead of waiting I bought the Signature S4 V.2 The look of the new studios is much better with the real wood and should sound better. Looks like they changed the new 60 version a lot. They have also gotten rid of the 40. Im sure the Sigs will still be a little better but I didnt want to wait for the new studios, dealer said they should ship in Nov. Right now I love the Sigs.
Thanks again
Mike

Surround channels in 5.1 (the side surrounds in 7.1) should create an enveloping soundfield. Rear surrounds (the additional back speakers in 7.1) should solidly anchor sound at the rear of the room. Dipoles do a great job of creating a soundfield that seems to be emminating from all around you. This is not, however what you want from the rear channels. If the rear channels are dipoles, you will get very little left/right seperation in back (not that there's too much discrete 7.1 anyway) more importantly, however, is that bi/dipoles in back will scatter off the side walls much more, diminishing the effect you're trying to achieve, that the sound is in back of you.

One way to think of it is to look at Dolby's room layout diagrams (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_entertainment/roomlayout2.html), you see that the front three (LCR) should cover 45-60 degrees for the main soundstage; the rear two surrounds cover 60-90 degrees; which leaves the side surrounds responsible for covering more than 100 degrees of an arc each. IMHO, bi/dipoles are the way to go at the sides, to fill that large angular expanse between the front and rear stages. The rear surrounds have a much easier job, just to solidly anchor the rear stage at the back of the room.

I've played around with different types of surrounds in different locations and have found that direct radiators at the sides are too localizable (they don't truly 'surround' you) while di/bipoles in back are too diffuse, the sound isn't solidly in back of you. With a direct radiator in back, you often get that "WTF was that?" effect and chills up your spine when an effect is heard in back of you. The Orphanage BluRay has a DTS-MA 7.1 soundtrack that, along with Guillermo Del Torro's production, will scare the &*$^ out of you!

For a Cinema system, I would strongly recommend ADPs at the sides and 90's (or even 70's if your AVR has flexible bass management) instead for the back channels. Also, if you can buy and fit a single 90, it will make a better CC than the Cinema center. Three 90's up front, ADPs at the sides and 90s (or 70s) in back would be my choice.
This is a great post. You did an excellent job of explaining why you prefer direct radiating speakers over a di/bipole design for rear surrounds.

I too am considering a move from ADP’s to a direct radiating speaker design for my rear surrounds. I’m just not sure what speakers to go with at this point though.

My current speakers consist of the following:

Mains: Monitor 7 v4
CC: CC-370
Surround: ADP-370
Rear Surround: ADP-370


I have been using this system for 3+ years now and while I am pleased with the overall sound quality of the speakers I have never been truly happy with the surround performance of this setup. Or to borrow your expression…I have never had that WTF sensation with this setup. :)

The room layout doesn’t allow for the most ideal placement of the surround/rear surround speakers so I have experimented with different crossover frequencies, acoustic treatments, and moving the sofa within the recommended area - in relation to the surround speakers. The best surround performance I am able to achieve is with the sofa in the following position but this still doesn't give me that "Wow! I need to look over my shoulder" effect.
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk234/RDLOH/HT/TheaterRoomTopDown1.jpg
I would ideally have the surround speakers farther forward on the side walls and the rear surrounds spaced farther apart on the rear wall but I would need to mount them against the ceiling due to the window on the right side wall and the door in the back left corner of the rear wall. I will save this as a last resort considering I currently have all of my speaker wire routed in the walls and I do not even want to entertain the thought of redoing it unless I absolutely have to.

Do you (anyone) believe I will notice a significant difference with this setup if I simply replace the ADP’s on the rear wall with a set of direct radiating speakers? And what model would you recommend if you do believe this would be a worthwhile “experiment”?

I found a couple pairs of Cinema 70's and one pair of Cinema 90's on eBay over the last few weeks but they sold for more than I was willing to pay for this experiment. I’m not sure how much I should be concerned with timbre matching the rear surround speakers to the other speakers in my setup. Any thoughts on that? What about power ratings? I wouldn’t think I would need to worry too much about overpowering the rear speakers if I set the crossover high enough but I’m not really sure…

Thanks in advance for any input you guys can provide.

For a Cinema system, I would strongly recommend ADPs at the sides and 90's (or even 70's if your AVR has flexible bass management) instead for the back channels. Also, if you can buy and fit a single 90, it will make a better CC than the Cinema center. Three 90's up front, ADPs at the sides and 90s (or 70s) in back would be my choice.

Thank you very much for the detailed response!

As a follow up, why do you recommend the 90 for the center channel over the Cinema center? I thought the center was pretty much just a 110, but on it's side. That would seem to be a better solution on it's face. I can certainly put another 90 there, but I'm wondering what the benefit is.

(If it makes a difference, I'll be running them with an Onkyo 606)

Thank you very much for the detailed response!


Sure thing!

As a follow up, why do you recommend the 90 for the center channel over the Cinema center? I thought the center was pretty much just a 110, but on it's side. That would seem to be a better solution on it's face. I can certainly put another 90 there, but I'm wondering what the benefit is.

The Cinema CC has smaller drivers, the size of the 70s; the 110 center has the same size drivers as the 90. Although more driver area is better, any center channel speaker is a compromise to provide a horizontally oriented enclosure that can be easily placed above or below a TV; there's absolutely nothing else 'special' about it that makes it better for dialog; in fact, they're often worse. Ideally, you have three identical speakers in front, but most people can't fit another L/R as a CC.

Because of angular dispersion issues, midrange and tweeter speaker drivers should be oriented vertically; this is why Paradigm's better CCs, like my CC590, use a 3-way design with a seperate midrange directly below the tweeter (this is one reason I went with my studio set-up, a proper 'WTMW' CC as opposed to the ubiquitous MTM). If you can fit another 90, in a vertical orientation, this would be superior to a CC for two reasons:

1) Perfect Timbre-matching to your L/R pair.

2) Vertically oriented tweeter and mid-woofer for better off-axis response than a MTM CC.

If you would have to lay it on it's side, a 90 would still be preferable to a CC. Many CC's have 2.5-way cross-over designs to mitigate their horizontal orientation, unfortunately, the Cinema CC does not (other than a 3rd order 2-way xover which has steep slopes) Since the 90 has a 3rd order as well, laying it on it's side is no worse than the CC in the tweeter/midrange interactions, and with only one driver playing through the midrange, it avoids the mid-range comb-filtering that any 2-way MTM CC will produce.

It think it's silly that manufacturers push satellite sized CCs when one of the other speakers is, an all objective criteria, a better design. But that's what consumers expect, a 'special' MTM center speaker.:rolleyes:

I hope this explains it.

(If it makes a difference, I'll be running them with an Onkyo 606)

It should do fine. If you can adjust the cross-over frequency for the rear surrounds seperately from the other speakers, like my 705 can, you could make do with 70s in the rear channels. If not, or if the cost difference is minimal, stick with 90s.

Thanks again for the quick response! As I plan on ordering them tonight, the information has been very timely.

there's absolutely nothing else 'special' about it that makes it better for dialog; in fact, they're often worse. Ideally, you have three identical speakers in front, but most people can't fit another L/R as a CC.

If you can fit another 90, in a vertical orientation, this would be superior to a CC for two reasons:

1) Perfect Timbre-matching to your L/R pair.

2) Vertically oriented tweeter and mid-woofer for better off-axis response than a MTM CC.

I hope this explains it.

If you can adjust the cross-over frequency for the rear surrounds seperately from the other speakers, like my 705 can, you could make do with 70s in the rear channels. If not, or if the cost difference is minimal, stick with 90s.

Your explanation (much of which I deleted in this response) was very understandable and makes sense. I do have the capability to place a 3rd 90 in the center, so I'll just have to adjust my expectations as to what a center should look like :p .

Although I'm pretty sure the 606 has the capability to adjust cross-overs for the rears independently, I'll probably stick with the 90s in back (I believe the relative cost difference is pretty minimal for me). Do you think a cross-over around 100 Hz sounds about right for the 90s (and ADPs)?

This is a great post. You did an excellent job of explaining why you prefer direct radiating speakers over a di/bipole design for rear surrounds.

Thanks, just trying to help...:D

Do you (anyone) believe I will notice a significant difference with this setup if I simply replace the ADP’s on the rear wall with a set of direct radiating speakers? And what model would you recommend if you do believe this would be a worthwhile “experiment”?

I think so, yes. From your diagram, it looks like you have a nice room set-up there. I would recommend two things:

Try to get your side ADPs even with the seating area. If you have to, move them up, I find that surrounds can be higher (mine are up ~7', close to the ceiling) and still be very effective if they're at the proper angular position. If this is impractical, try angling them so that the null plane (perpendicular to the front) faces the seating area. This will minimize the direct sound heard from them, and hopefully it won't look too goofy.;) Either one of these should help, IMO.

Secondly, as discussed, I'd recommend direct radiating rears. I think Atoms would be the ideal match, but the rear port would complicate wall mounting. Some small Cinemas might work OK, as well. If you just want to experiment, however, you could try any pair of decent used bookshelf speakers you can find locally through Craigslist or a pawn shop. If you find you prefer the direct sound with those, re-sell them, and search for some permanant Paradigms.

Do you think a cross-over around 100 Hz sounds about right for the 90s (and ADPs)?

Yeah, that's where I'd start, certainly no lower. If you listen to it loud, you might consider bumping the xover up to 120Hz to take some load off them, but then you're getting to the point where the sub may get localizable. Try out both 100 and 120 and see which works better for you in your room.

Hi there, I have the following setup and am looking to upgrade the center channel.

Paradigm Monitor 7 V.5 (fronts)
Paradigm CC-170 V.2 (center)
Paradigm PDR-8 (subwoofer)
Paradigm Atom V.2 (rears)

I'm just not certain if the CC-170 is the best match? I really want to hear the dialogue from movies, and even though I increased the volume of the center channel it still seems a bit weak.

I have the Yamaha RX-V663 HD Receiver (aka HTR-6160) so I'm looking for a little more from my system with Blu-ray and hi-def programming.

Should I be looking for a CC-390? Would that be a good bet... or is it not even worth stepping up.

Thanks!

Hi there, I have the following setup and am looking to upgrade the center channel.

Paradigm Monitor 7 V.5 (fronts)
Paradigm CC-170 V.2 (center)
Paradigm PDR-8 (subwoofer)
Paradigm Atom V.2 (rears)

I'm just not certain if the CC-170 is the best match? I really want to hear the dialogue from movies, and even though I increased the volume of the center channel it still seems a bit weak.

I have the Yamaha RX-V663 HD Receiver (aka HTR-6160) so I'm looking for a little more from my system with Blu-ray and hi-def programming.

Should I be looking for a CC-390? Would that be a good bet... or is it not even worth stepping up.

Thanks!

You need a better center for sure, I have Titans and my center is a 190 heh. I could even of gone with the 290 but at the time budget didnt allow it.

Thanks, just trying to help...:D



I think so, yes. From your diagram, it looks like you have a nice room set-up there. I would recommend two things:

Try to get your side ADPs even with the seating area. If you have to, move them up, I find that surrounds can be higher (mine are up ~7', close to the ceiling) and still be very effective if they're at the proper angular position. If this is impractical, try angling them so that the null plane (perpendicular to the front) faces the seating area. This will minimize the direct sound heard from them, and hopefully it won't look too goofy.;) Either one of these should help, IMO.

Secondly, as discussed, I'd recommend direct radiating rears. I think Atoms would be the ideal match, but the rear port would complicate wall mounting. Some small Cinemas might work OK, as well. If you just want to experiment, however, you could try any pair of decent used bookshelf speakers you can find locally through Craigslist or a pawn shop. If you find you prefer the direct sound with those, re-sell them, and search for some permanant Paradigms.

Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, the window on the right side wall will make it a major pain to move the speakers forward on that wall. I'm not saying it is impossible...just an exercise I'm hoping to avoid. :)

Interestingly, I was able to pick up more activity in the surrounds when I moved the sofa forward. I originally had the sofa positioned so the surrounds on the side walls were at 90 degrees with my ears. I wasn't able to hear much activity in the surround track in this position for either 7.1 or 5.1. My guess was I was seated at the perfect spot for the null of the ADP's. Moving the couch forward "opened" the surrounds up - so to speak.

I will move a pair of my cheapo JBL satellite speakers from my family room to the rear wall of my theater room and see what this sounds like as an experiment. The timbre will certainly not be matched and they don't sound all that great but it should serve the purpose for this test.

I have toyed with the idea of moving all four surround speakers up and angled down in order to achieve the ideal placement. I'm really not looking forward to this though - as you may have picked up on. That sounds like a good project for the winter time though. My wife simply rolled her eyes and walked away when I mentioned this about a month ago. :D

Thanks again.

Thanks, just trying to help...:D



Secondly, as discussed, I'd recommend direct radiating rears. I think Atoms would be the ideal match, but the rear port would complicate wall mounting.

I have Atoms mounted on the rear wall (studios up front and on the sides)-- with the proper mount (in this case Premier MB-60), there is plenty of space between the wall and the port of an Atom.

You can see the left rear atom in this pic, and how far off the wall it is with the mount:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/~ericbeth/leftside.jpg

And here's a shot of both atoms on the back wall:

http://ericbeth.home.comcast.net/~ericbeth/chairsleft.jpg

My wife simply rolled her eyes and walked away when I mentioned this about a month ago. :D


We know the feeling. My wife just starts saying "Blah, Blah, Blah" when I want to discuss changing something like that.

I own a pair of Monitor 11's, but I just blew a tweeter when my crossover blew up. Crossover repaired, but still need to repair the tweeter.

Hi there, I have the following setup and am looking to upgrade the center channel.

Paradigm Monitor 7 V.5 (fronts)
Paradigm CC-170 V.2 (center)
Paradigm PDR-8 (subwoofer)
Paradigm Atom V.2 (rears)

I'm just not certain if the CC-170 is the best match? I really want to hear the dialogue from movies, and even though I increased the volume of the center channel it still seems a bit weak.

I have the Yamaha RX-V663 HD Receiver (aka HTR-6160) so I'm looking for a little more from my system with Blu-ray and hi-def programming.

Should I be looking for a CC-390? Would that be a good bet... or is it not even worth stepping up.

Thanks!


Personally, I think the 170 is a horrible match for the v5's.

I had a cc-370 and traded it to a friend for a 190, and I MUCH prefer my 190 over the 370, even though technically the 370 was a better speaker.

Timbre matching is VERY important to me, and the 370 just didn't integrate well. My bedroom Paradigm setup also includes Monitor 7 v6, Atom v5, and ADP-190 v5.

I am thinking of upgrading the 190 to the 390, but persoanlly I know it will be overkill, as I have been more than satisfied with the 190.

I guess I just have upgraditus...

Thats why my main rig is gonna get a behringer EP2500, Sound Splinter RL-p18, and a sonotube. :)

Just picked up a denon AVR 988/2808 and looking to get front floor speakers. I already have in wall surround speakers for the back. It will be used for music listening as well, I guess 60% music & 40% movies. I'm interested in Studio 60 but is open to any suggestion. TIA.

jerschwab , I just got a pair of titan v5's with a cc 290 v5 center. The 290 seems to be a very good center and should be a definite improvement to your setup.

I'm looking for a pair of front speakers..I have roughly a $500 budget and was looking at paradigm...for my price bracket, is it worth looking at any of the speakers?

I don't have a sub, so I can either get 2 fronts or 2 fronts + sub..but my budget is roughly $500

I'm looking for a pair of front speakers..I have roughly a $500 budget and was looking at paradigm...for my price bracket, is it worth looking at any of the speakers?

I don't have a sub, so I can either get 2 fronts or 2 fronts + sub..but my budget is roughly $500

I have seen used Paradigm Atom's under $200 and a PDR 10 sub for about the same. With your budget to get both a sub and speakers you are going to have to shop the used market and just keep at it. There is always buy the Titans for more then grab a sub later, build slowly and be patient and you can get what you want.

I was looking at the titans..they look awesome..I mainly watch action movies, so I need something SOMEWHAT powerful for now...I can always get a sub next month..

So are titans my best bet as far as paradigm goes?

I'm looking for a pair of front speakers..I have roughly a $500 budget and was looking at paradigm...for my price bracket, is it worth looking at any of the speakers?

I don't have a sub, so I can either get 2 fronts or 2 fronts + sub..but my budget is roughly $500

I agree with WaTaGuMp but I would like to add that if you can find v5 monitor series, they will be a very good price right now. I would recommend mini's or titans and add a sub later. I got my titans for $399 cdn new in the box. if not, do not be afraid going used .

I'm trying to find a price on the titans and can't seem to find it..you know how much they're going for?

I'm trying to find a price on the titans and can't seem to find it..you know how much they're going for?

Mine last year v5 were $479 as floor models, I know I didnt get the best deal though. They are having a price increase soon also.

The New Monitor Series v.6 lineup:

Atom Monitor – Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 5-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $149/ea
Mini Monitor – Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 6-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $219/ea
Titan Monitor – Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 7-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $279/ea
Monitor 7 – Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 5-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 5-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $379/ea
Monitor 9 – Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 6-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 6-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $499/ea
Monitor 11 – Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 7-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 7-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $699/ea
CC-190 – Four-driver 3-way center channel: Two 5-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 3-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome: $299
CC-290 – Four-driver 3-way center channel: Two 6-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 4-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $499
CC-390 – Seven-driver 3-way center channel: Four 6-1/2" carbon-infused polypropylene bass, two 4-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1" H-PTD™ dome; $699
ADP-190 – Four-driver 2-way surround/rear: Two 5-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, two 1" H-PTD™ domes; $249/ea
ADP-390 – Five-driver 3-way surround/rear: One carbon-infused polypropylene bass, two 4-1/2" M-ICP™ mid/bass, two 1" H-PTD™ domes; $429/ea

*All prices are US FMV. Monitor Series v.6 bookshelf and floorstanding speakers are available in Cherry, Rosenut, Black Ash or the New Wengé finish; Atom Monitor is also available in White. ADP-190 and ADP-390 are available in Black or White

wow, just found out there's a dealer 7 miles from me...I'll be going tomorrow to take a look.

I picked up Aperion 4Bs and I'm not happy with them, they're too weak :(

I'm trying to find a price on the titans and can't seem to find it..you know how much they're going for?

Something else to consider are PSB, I know you can get towers for $499, so dont rule them out without having a look. They also have bookshelf speakers for great prices.

So, I just blew the "mid" in one of my monitor 7 v6's, after less than a week of ownership.

I should of known better than to try running them full range with music... Although I'm not sure how that would effect the mid, unless the x-over wasn't working properly.

Played back @ ref level playing "VAST: Somewhere Else To Be".

Well, I guess I know their limits now... :)

So, I just blew the "mid" in one of my monitor 7 v6's, after less than a week of ownership.

I should of known better than to try running them full range with music... Although I'm not sure how that would effect the mid, unless the x-over wasn't working properly.

Played back @ ref level playing "VAST: Somewhere Else To Be".

Well, I guess I know their limits now... :)

I know us guys are not supposed to read them, but if you look at your manual for your speakers you shouldn't play them that loud until after the proper break in period. I guess thats what warranty is for though.

I know us guys are not supposed to read them, but if you look at your manual for your speakers you shouldn't play them that loud until after the proper break in period. I guess thats what warranty is for though.

Well today was the first day of really pushing them, I have been playing them ALOT since I got them, but your right, it was probably still too early to push them.

I have the Onkyo 805 and pure audio (full range) sounds much better (mids and highs are clearer, plus better imaging and soundstage) than Stereo (crossed @ 70) with a sub, so I figured I'd give it a shot.

I'll see what the dealer has to say. I certainly dont want to misuse the warranty, but I would like to think these speakers "can" handle ref level. I will just make sure to keep them crossed @ 70 from now on, IF that is what caused the mid to pop.

More reason to start my DIY sub build anyways.

Edit: I just looked at the other speaker to make sure it was fine after disconnecting the other one, and when I play it in Full Range, you can see massive amounts of excursion on the mid. I don't understand this as I would think the internal x-over would filter bass from the mid to the woofers. I know its not a brick wall, but when I play it crossed at 70, the mid has NO excursion. Why on earth would bass below 70 be going to the mid.

So, obviously they popped because the mid was getting too much deep bass. I wonder if this has anything to do with the new tweaked x-over, or if the mids are suppose to receive low bass (which doesn't make sense to me).

Also, is the mid suppose to have the same low bass capabilities as the woofers? I wouldn't of thought so... If it can't handle the same bass capabilities for mechanical failure.

jerschwab , I just got a pair of titan v5's with a cc 290 v5 center. The 290 seems to be a very good center and should be a definite improvement to your setup.

Thanks, that's sort of what I was thinking... I will go to the dealer and demo them. Then after that, a sub upgrade from my PDR-8!

Hopefully someone can help me with my decision :) I am in the process of updating my home theater setup and am thinking of moving from my existing Paradigm monitor 7 v.2 and CC-350 to Studio 100 v.2's and a studio-cc. The total cost to me after trading in existing equipment would be 500-600 or so. Has anyone listed to both of these speakers? if so, what would be your recommendation?

Has anyone listen to the titans V6 with the new upgrades and do you think they sound better then the titans V5. Thanks for the help.

Just curious, does anyone else run their Monitor 7's Full Range?

Has anyone else blown/popped a mid?

If the speaker is listed to go down to 54Hz, are they still tested to mechanical failure below that plot? Or is it only tested under load of a sine wave?

I am still suprised the low pass of the mid is the same as the low pass of the woofers.

Anyways, I will speak to my dealer in a few hours and see if he has any info as to why they popped :)

Just curious, does anyone else run their Monitor 7's Full Range?

Has anyone else blown/popped a mid?

If the speaker is listed to go down to 54Hz, are they still tested to mechanical failure below that plot? Or is it only tested under load of a sine wave?

I am still suprised the low pass of the mid is the same as the low pass of the woofers.

Anyways, I will speak to my dealer in a few hours and see if he has any info as to why they popped :)

Is it a 2.5-way or 3-way speaker? If it's 2.5 there's no crossover on the mid. If it's a 3-way speaker there is a crossover on the mid. At least that's my understanding. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

According to the Paradigm brochure in front of me, the monitor 7 is a 2 1/2 way but also states it is crossed over at 2.0 kHz and 700Hz.

I don't have access to the PDigm site right now, but are they any in-ceiling speakers that are reasonably priced? I have a bedroom, living room, and a couple other rooms that I'd like to do in-ceiling (stereo most likely), and don't want to spend a ton per speaker.

I like the PDigm sound, so would prefer to stick with them, but I'm open to similar sounding alternatives. Mostly music, but a couple with TV as well (not HT, just TV).

Has anyone heard or read anything new on the studio v.5's?

According to the Paradigm brochure in front of me, the monitor 7 is a 2 1/2 way but also states it is crossed over at 2.0 kHz and 700Hz.

That means the tweeter gets High passed at 2kHz, the mid-woofer gets low passed at 2kHz and the woofers get low passed at 700Hz. Since it's a 2.5-way, the mid is a mid-woofer, not a true mid-range; there's a low pass, but no high pass filter on the mid. By design, it gets driven by the entire amount of bass being sent to it, in this case, too much...:(

I talked to my dealer today, in regards to blowing the mid on my Monitor 7's.

He thinks the reason it blew is because I am using a computer to output my source material, opposed to a dedicated player. He said a computer has a much higher distortion level. Personally I didn't understand this, but he was pretty set on this.

I have all my music ripped lossless via WMA's, and output over HDMI from my ATI 4850.

He also said it could possibly be a defective mid, hence the mechanical failure. He said they should have no issue running full range.

gunbunnysoulja
The computer shouldn't have anything to do with it. You would be able to hear the distortion if it was bad enough to blow the driver. The monitor 7 is a 2.5 way so the midrange plays everything from 2k down including all the bass. The woofers play from 700 down. If you have a big room and play loud you may want to go to a monitor 9 with its bigger drivers.
Mike

Thanks for the reply. I have a small room (12x10), but I did play them at ref level.

I will most likely cross the @ 70 in the future, but I gotta admit I do like Pure Audio mode.

Just curious, does anyone else run their Monitor 7's Full Range?

Has anyone else blown/popped a mid?

If the speaker is listed to go down to 54Hz, are they still tested to mechanical failure below that plot? Or is it only tested under load of a sine wave?

I am still suprised the low pass of the mid is the same as the low pass of the woofers.

Anyways, I will speak to my dealer in a few hours and see if he has any info as to why they popped :)

I am using a pair Monitor 7 (v4) for my mains and up until recently I was running them full range. I have listened to many different sources at reference levels and never had a problem with mine. I did however blow one of my PW-2100 subs within the first six months of owning them. I was listening to Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture SACD at reference levels. The voice coil "blew off" the woofer when the canons were firing. I had the crossover set at 80 Hz then and it didn't damage the Monitor 7's. I didn't play that disc at reference levels after that. :) I have replaced my two PW-2100's with an eDA5 - 350 in the last year and it hasn't even broken a sweat no matter what I have thrown at it.

I wouldn't think the PC has anything to do with this either. I don't understand why he thinks it will output more distortion. I guess it could if you were able to bump the gain up somehow but I doubt that is the case. I am far from an expert though so take my opinion with a grain of salt. :)

Thanks for the reply. I have a small room (12x10), but I did play them at ref level.

I will most likely cross the @ 70 in the future, but I gotta admit I do like Pure Audio mode.

'Reference level' refers to movie soundtracks, not music; since you were playing ripped music on a computer, 0dB volume has no bearing on reference level playback for a DD/DTS source. Soundtracks have dialog and peak levels which are carefully calibrated relative to the 0dB setting; music does not. Most modern music suffers from dynamic range compression in the effort to make it sound AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE ALL THE TIME which seriously raises the average volume level. The volume leve should be adjusted for the source, and used with caution; it must have been deafening in there:eek:. Playing music on almost any speaker full range at 0dB is asking for trouble (and hearing loss), IMHO.

Hey Guys, I am tempting to buy Paradigm CT 110 HT speakers set. Is it any good? I know it is kind of outdated (2005??) but does it matter? It is selling for $950 in Toronto. Is that a "right" price? Or should I be able to get a better set at that price range?? Thanks for all comments! I am new in this...

...I was listening to Tchaikovsky: 1812 Overture SACD at reference levels. The voice coil "blew off" the woofer when the canons were firing. I had the crossover set at 80 Hz... I didn't play that disc at reference levels after that. :) ...:D That's why Telarc puts a warning label on that disc! ;)

'Reference level' refers to movie soundtracks, not music; since you were playing ripped music on a computer, 0dB volume has no bearing on reference level playback for a DD/DTS source. Soundtracks have dialog and peak levels which are carefully calibrated relative to the 0dB setting; music does not. Most modern music suffers from dynamic range compression in the effort to make it sound AS LOUD AS POSSIBLE ALL THE TIME which seriously raises the average volume level. The volume leve should be adjusted for the source, and used with caution; it must have been deafening in there:eek:. Playing music on almost any speaker full range at 0dB is asking for trouble (and hearing loss), IMHO.

Thanks for the reply. Good to know. I asked this particular question regarding dynamic range and reference level for CD's about a few days ago, BEFORE I blew my speaker... :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1065916&highlight=

I believe I was getting about 100db at the seating position, according to my Rat Shack SPL meter. I didn't notice any distortion. I did however notice alot of excursion on the mid-woofer after it popped, on the other speaker, when I checked to make sure it was operating properly. As soon as I noticed the excursion, I immediately lowered the volume and crossed them at 70Hz. The "popped" speaker is disconnected. My dealer said he will try to order me another mid, although he said I will likely have to bring it to the shop so he can get the s/n off the mid itself. Unfortunately he didn't want me to remove the driver from the box. Hopefully he can order it with the s/n from the main speaker, but he wasn't sure.

With these speakers and this seating distance, I'd assume it's in the ball park of 16w consistently, not including the millisecond spikes. If you calculate 94db speakers 1w/1m, 2m distance. Although I am sure there are other factors to consider, like you said, due to dynamic range compression. I do not believe the amp was clipping though. Atleast not noticible distortion.

After I build my new sub I will be crossing them at 70Hz anyways, which should alleviate the issue.

I also don't think I'm as sensitive to 100db as others, since a couple tours in Field Artilley affected my hearing... :)

When I played back Alice in Chains at the same level, it was fine. Same thing with Days of the New. But when I put on VAST, I had the issue almost immediately. So that makles sense now how its completeley dependent on the source material in question.

Since I can't go by "ref level" and need to go on a CD by CD basis, what method should I use for knowning when loud is too loud?

SPL? I asked my dealer and he said he wouldn't know unless he heard it on an individual basis, but I would like to know some guideline exists. I said I didn't hear distortion, but he said most can't recognize distortion. Which doesn't really give me an answer as how to guage "whats too loud" :)

Anyone? :/ I'm sure someone here has listed to both of these or similar speakers.

Hopefully someone can help me with my decision :) I am in the process of updating my home theater setup and am thinking of moving from my existing Paradigm monitor 7 v.2 and CC-350 to Studio 100 v.2's and a studio-cc. The total cost to me after trading in existing equipment would be 500-600 or so. Has anyone listed to both of these speakers? if so, what would be your recommendation?

I believe I was getting about 100db at the seating position, according to my Rat Shack SPL meter.

I also don't think I'm as sensitive to 100db as others, since a couple tours in Field Artilley affected my hearing... :)

That explains it!:p

http://hearing-protection.4ursafety.com/exposure-limits.html

Decibels (dB) Exposure Time
85dB 8 hours
88dB 4 hours
91dB 2 hours
94dB 1 hour
97dB 30 minutes
100dB 15 minutes

Movies at Reference levels have peaks well over 100dB, but these are usually only for short bursts. Listening to music for any length of time at anything over 90dB is probably not a good idea. Do people do it? Sure, but I predict an epidemic in hearing loss as the gen-x and gen-y ages and the cumulative effects of iPods and high powered car stereos starts to manisfest itself. I enjoy cranking up my HT and car system, but not to triple digits for very long.

Since I can't go by "ref level" and need to go on a CD by CD basis, what method should I use for knowning when loud is too loud?

Get a handle on what 90-95dB sounds like and try not to exceed that by too much for music, which is usually constant volume.

After I build my new sub I will be crossing them at 70Hz anyways, which should alleviate the issue.

Definately, while not trying to reproduce the bottom end, they should be very robust.

That explains it!:p

http://hearing-protection.4ursafety.com/exposure-limits.html

Decibels (dB) Exposure Time
85dB 8 hours
88dB 4 hours
91dB 2 hours
94dB 1 hour
97dB 30 minutes
100dB 15 minutes



lol, good to know...



Movies at Reference levels have peaks well over 100dB, but these are usually only for short bursts. Listening to music for any length of time at anything over 90dB is probably not a good idea. Do people do it? Sure, but I predict an epidemic in hearing loss as the gen-x and gen-y ages and the cumulative effects of iPods and high powered car stereos starts to manisfest itself. I enjoy cranking up my HT and car system, but not to triple digits for very long.


Get a handle on what 90-95dB sounds like and try not to exceed that by too much for music, which is usually constant volume.


I did notice the SPL was constant with music, opposed to with movies, so I will follow your advice and still with 90-95db.


Definately, while not trying to reproduce the bottom end, they should be very robust.

Sounds good. I really appreciate the info.

Hopefully someone can help me with my decision :) I am in the process of updating my home theater setup and am thinking of moving from my existing Paradigm monitor 7 v.2 and CC-350 to Studio 100 v.2's and a studio-cc. The total cost to me after trading in existing equipment would be 500-600 or so. Has anyone listed to both of these speakers? if so, what would be your recommendation?

I have Studio 100 v.2's and just added a CC-590 a few weeks ago.

For the money (especially give how little 100 v.2's are going for right now), this is a tough combo to beat if you are on a budget.

For the center, I would go with the CC-590. This was what Paradigm recommended to me and it is a very good fit.

-- Craig

p.s. I have not listened to Monitor line. I started at the Studio 60 and then immediately returned them to jumped up to the 100's.

Thanks for the response Craig! I believe this actually comes with studio-cc so I would not need to purchase a center. I listed to the Studio 60 v.3's today and was very impressed.... hopefully the 100 v.2's sound atleast somewhat similar.

I have Studio 100 v.2's and just added a CC-590 a few weeks ago.

For the money (especially give how little 100 v.2's are going for right now), this is a tough combo to beat if you are on a budget.

For the center, I would go with the CC-590. This was what Paradigm recommended to me and it is a very good fit.

-- Craig

p.s. I have not listened to Monitor line. I started at the Studio 60 and then immediately returned them to jumped up to the 100's.

Has anyone heard anything new about the Studio v.5's since CEDIA?

Has anyone listen to the titans V6 with the new upgrades and do you think they sound better then the titans V5. Thanks for the help.

I would like to purchase the CC-390 and place my Pro-930 Elite plasma with stand on it. That's roughly 90 lbs total on top of this speaker. Should there be any concerns with this amount of weight on top of the 390? Has anyone else successfully placed their plasma or lcd on a 390?

Thanks

Hello all, been trolling around the forum here for the last few months since I decided to upgrade the HT this past year. Lots of great information here... The following is the system that I started with

Pioneer VSX 1015
2 Fluance AV-F3
4 Mission 700 speakers
1 Mission 70c1 center channel speaker
1 Mission 70as subwoofer
Epson Cinema 10 Projector - tired of changing bulbs @ $300 per pop
JVC TV
PS3
HTPC e6600 C2D in Silverstone LC-10 case

Basically got rid of most everything except the PS3 and HTPC here is the current system

Marantz SR4002 - new this summer to be used as pre pro next spring
2 Paradigm Reference Studio 60-V1 - purchased this spring
1 Paradigm Reference Studio CC - purchased this spring
2 Paradigm Monitor ADP350 - purchased last week
Energy s-10 subwoofer purchased this spring
Mission 70as subwoofer - remnant used as a rear sub
Samsung 61" LED DLP purchased last summer
PS3
HTPC
Spring 2009 Marantz MM8003 8 Channel Power Amplifier

80/20 Movies/Music

So currently went from 7.1 down to the 5.1 with the ADPs - I'm not as happy with the ADPs as I thought I would be. My question is, I have a line on a pair of Monitor 3 V2, would be ADPs be better served as side surround and the Monitor 3 as the rear surround or vice versa Monitor 3 as side surround ADP for rear surrounds - I think I already know the answer but hoping someone has already tried both configurations

So currently went from 7.1 down to the 5.1 with the ADPs - I'm not as happy with the ADPs as I thought I would be. My question is, I have a line on a pair of Monitor 3 V2, would be ADPs be better served as side surround and the Monitor 3 as the rear surround or vice versa Monitor 3 as side surround ADP for rear surrounds - I think I already know the answer but hoping someone has already tried both configurations

Are the ADPs located according to Dolby's recommendations?
Are you seated in the null-plane of the ADPs?
(That's where you need to be to get the proper effect.)
Have you calibrated their distance and level, preferably with an SPL meter?
All that needs to be done before you put the blame on the ADPs for underperforming.

That being said, I think it's worthwhile to go 7.1, and I detailed my choice of surround type for each location a recently in post #8659 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14643691#post14643691)of this thread. ADP's at the sides and Monitors in back. That's what I have and I love it.

P.S. Looking at your equipment list, if you don't mind a suggestion, I would recommend ditching the rear sub totally, and upgrading the Energy before adding a seperate power amp. I think you'll notice the effect of a good monster subwoofer over the 10" Energy much more than the benefits of a seperate amp over a decent AVR. The sub is the foundation, and 200W to a 10" driver isn't enough, IMHO. That amp looks sweet, and would be the icing on the cake, but pairing it with that sub is like a body builder with 20" biceps and huge pecs who can't even squat 100 pounds!

So currently went from 7.1 down to the 5.1 with the ADPs - I'm not as happy with the ADPs as I thought I would be. My question is, I have a line on a pair of Monitor 3 V2, would be ADPs be better served as side surround and the Monitor 3 as the rear surround or vice versa Monitor 3 as side surround ADP for rear surrounds - I think I already know the answer but hoping someone has already tried both configurations


I found that if you are used to directs as side surrounds, you at first feel that something is missing when you move to ADPs as side surrounds. Since it is a more subtle, coming at you via the whole side of a room, as opposed to coming from a particular speaker sound.

You eventually get used to it. I also turn my ADP side surrounds up a couple of dBs over the rest of my speakers when calibrating, to make up a little bit for the less forceful discrete effect from ADPs.

I found that if you are used to directs as side surrounds, you at first feel that something is missing when you move to ADPs as side surrounds. Since it is a more subtle, coming at you via the whole side of a room, as opposed to coming from a particular speaker sound.

You eventually get used to it. I also turn my ADP side surrounds up a couple of dBs over the rest of my speakers when calibrating, to make up a little bit for the less forceful discrete effect from ADPs.I went from direct firing older paradigms to ADPs a few years ago and that 'missing' thing is what I was actually looking for all along! :)

For years I played with the positioning of my direct radiating rears trying to make them sound dispersed... I tried firing them towards each other across my head, firing them up into the ceiling, down at the floor, etc. No matter what I did, it always sounded like everything was coming almost directly from that one spot.

Once I got the Signature ADPs that all changed: Now I get the correct 'envelopped' feeling.

A big thanks to wleehendrick too for posting about why rears in a 7.1 setup should be direct firing speakers. Makes perfect sense to me. Been thinking about going to 7.1 and would get a pair of Signature S2s instead of another set of ADPs.

Kal

...A big thanks to wleehendrick too for posting about why rears in a 7.1 setup should be direct firing speakers... FWIW, that's what THX (http://www.thx.com/home/setup/speakers/71.html) says, too:

To get the most out of your 7.1 set-up, the SBL and SBR should be the direct firing type...

ADP's at the sides and Monitors in back. That's what I have and I love it.

P.S. Looking at your equipment list, if you don't mind a suggestion, I would recommend ditching the rear sub totally, and upgrading the Energy before adding a seperate power amp. I think you'll notice the effect of a good monster subwoofer over the 10" Energy much more than the benefits of a seperate amp over a decent AVR. The sub is the foundation, and 200W to a 10" driver isn't enough, IMHO. That amp looks sweet, and would be the icing on the cake, but pairing it with that sub is like a body builder with 20" biceps and huge pecs who can't even squat 100 pounds!

Thanks for the replies guys, while I do still have more calibration to do with the ADPs I believe that caesar1 may have it right by saying I am used to the directs - the ADP are currently used as rears for now and they have blended in as they should - but it just feels like something is missing

I agree with you the rear sub is only there just because "I can" and will be removed at some point. The Energy however is a different story the S10-3 is quite a potent sub for my 25x16 apartment living room - I do have my eyes open for a used SVS

I found that if you are used to directs as side surrounds, you at first feel that something is missing when you move to ADPs as side surrounds. Since it is a more subtle, coming at you via the whole side of a room, as opposed to coming from a particular speaker sound.

You eventually get used to it. I also turn my ADP side surrounds up a couple of dBs over the rest of my speakers when calibrating, to make up a little bit for the less forceful discrete effect from ADPs.

I think you're right . Looks like buddy already sold his monitor 3s so will have to keep my eyes open for something else to use as rear surrounds - Saw a pair of Atoms for sale - probably too small

"Surround channels in 5.1 (the side surrounds in 7.1) should create an enveloping soundfield. Rear surrounds (the additional back speakers in 7.1) should solidly anchor sound at the rear of the room. Dipoles do a great job of creating a soundfield that seems to be emminating from all around you. This is not, however what you want from the rear channels. If the rear channels are dipoles, you will get very little left/right seperation in back (not that there's too much discrete 7.1 anyway) more importantly, however, is that bi/dipoles in back will scatter off the side walls much more, diminishing the effect you're trying to achieve, that the sound is in back of you.

One way to think of it is to look at Dolby's room layout diagrams (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/home_e...omlayout2.html), you see that the front three (LCR) should cover 45-60 degrees for the main soundstage; the rear two surrounds cover 60-90 degrees; which leaves the side surrounds responsible for covering more than 100 degrees of an arc each. IMHO, bi/dipoles are the way to go at the sides, to fill that large angular expanse between the front and rear stages. The rear surrounds have a much easier job, just to solidly anchor the rear stage at the back of the room.

I've played around with different types of surrounds in different locations and have found that direct radiators at the sides are too localizable (they don't truly 'surround' you) while di/bipoles in back are too diffuse, the sound isn't solidly in back of you. With a direct radiator in back, you often get that "WTF was that?" effect and chills up your spine when an effect is heard in back of you. The Orphanage BluRay has a DTS-MA 7.1 soundtrack that, along with Guillermo Del Torro's production, will scare the &*$^ out of you!

For a Cinema system, I would strongly recommend ADPs at the sides and 90's (or even 70's if your AVR has flexible bass management) instead for the back channels. Also, if you can buy and fit a single 90, it will make a better CC than the Cinema center. Three 90's up front, ADPs at the sides and 90s (or 70s) in back would be my choice.
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would the adps be a reasonable compromise for sides AND backs in a 7.1 system if the back row is only about 5 inches from the back wall? the side adps will be directly to the sides and slightly (a couple of inches) rearward of the 1st row. if i went with direct radiators, i would have to put them high up and angle them toward the front row. this would be shooting over the heads of the back row. the room is 13.5' wide by 16.5' deep. the front row is just over 4' from the back wall.

the front row obviously has the "money seats". it will mostly be my young children in the back and friends when Ultimate Fighting PPVs are on. in my situation, would direct radiators still be best for the front row? will the back row suffer too much because of it?

i have lcr 450s for the fronts, studio adp v.2 for the sides. i have some titans i could use for the rears (but they would have to be HIGH so the back row doesn't smash their heads) OR i have found a 2nd pair of studio adp v.2s for a reasonable price....of course, if the titans are the better choice, i'ld love to save the money!!

Once I got the Signature ADPs that all changed: Now I get the correct 'envelopped' feeling.



LOL that's the solution... but I can't afford my "Signature" on a cheque

Give me a call when you decide to upgrade again - I'll be interested in your used gear...:D

would the adps be a reasonable compromise for sides AND backs in a 7.1 system if the back row is only about 5 inches from the back wall? the side adps will be directly to the sides and slightly (a couple of inches) rearward of the 1st row. if i went with direct radiators, i would have to put them high up and angle them toward the front row. this would be shooting over the heads of the back row. the room is 13.5' wide by 16.5' deep. the front row is just over 4' from the back wall.

the front row obviously has the "money seats". it will mostly be my young children in the back and friends when Ultimate Fighting PPVs are on. in my situation, would direct radiators still be best for the front row? will the back row suffer too much because of it?

i have lcr 450s for the fronts, studio adp v.2 for the sides. i have some titans i could use for the rears (but they would have to be HIGH so the back row doesn't smash their heads) OR i have found a 2nd pair of studio adp v.2s for a reasonable price....of course, if the titans are the better choice, i'ld love to save the money!!

I think directs are the best choice for the surround back channels; Titans would be overkill, Atoms or MiniMonitors are sufficient. However, in your case, in walls may be the best choice.

I think you're right . Looks like buddy already sold his monitor 3s so will have to keep my eyes open for something else to use as rear surrounds - Saw a pair of Atoms for sale - probably too small

There's not a lot of content in the back channels. As long as your AVR can individually set the rear x-over up around 100Hz, the Atoms should work fine.

There's not a lot of content in the back channels. As long as your AVR can individually set the rear x-over up around 100Hz, the Atoms should work fine.

You know what, for the $120 he wants for them I think I will buy them if I don't like them as surrounds they will make a nice bedroom speaker

You know what, for the $120 he wants for them I think I will buy them if I don't like them as surrounds they will make a nice bedroom speaker


i used to amaze friends using a pair of micros sitting atop large floorstanding speakers.

after the demo i told them to go see which pair was being fed.

i have used them for sides and backs...you'll be fine with them.

Could use some help with a system I'm trying to build. Will be pretty much only for music going in a loft above a garage I am haveing built in the next month.

Here are my possibilities:

1) 2 x Studio 100's + 1 x Sudio 40 as center, 2 x Titans that I already own as rears, 2 x PB10 -NSD SVS subwoofers
2) 5 x Studio 40's + 2 x PB10-NSD SVS subwoofers
3) 3 x Studio 40's, use Titans as rears, 2 x PB10 NSD SVS subwoofers.
4) 3 x Studio 40's, 2 x Studio 20's, 2 x PB10-NSD SVS subwoofers.

The room these will be in is going to be 16' W x 24' L x 8' H, but the side walls will be following the roof line after approx the 4' level on the wall.

Will be using my Yamaha RX-V2400 to power the center & surrounds, with an Emotiva XPA-2 powering the front l/r speakers.

Will mostly be used for 2 channel music & multichannel DVD-a & SACD.

The reason I picked the PB10-NSD subs is I don't think I could do better for the price delivered to me. I also ws considering the 2 of them when I was going to be all Studio 40's. If I went with the 100's I probably would not need the 2 subs.

Any suggestions/hints/comments would be appreciated!

Could use some help with a system I'm trying to build. Will be pretty much only for music going in a loft above a garage I am haveing built in the next month.

Here are my possibilities:

1) 2 x Studio 100's + 1 x Sudio 40 as center, 2 x Titans that I already own as rears, 2 x PB10 -NSD SVS subwoofers
2) 5 x Studio 40's + 2 x PB10-NSD SVS subwoofers
3) 3 x Studio 40's, use Titans as rears, 2 x PB10 NSD SVS subwoofers.
4) 3 x Studio 40's, 2 x Studio 20's, 2 x PB10-NSD SVS subwoofers.

The room these will be in is going to be 16' W x 24' L x 8' H, but the side walls will be following the roof line after approx the 4' level on the wall.

Will be using my Yamaha RX-V2400 to power the center & surrounds, with an Emotiva XPA-2 powering the front l/r speakers.

Will mostly be used for 2 channel music & multichannel DVD-a & SACD.

The reason I picked the PB10-NSD subs is I don't think I could do better for the price delivered to me. I also ws considering the 2 of them when I was going to be all Studio 40's. If I went with the 100's I probably would not need the 2 subs.

Any suggestions/hints/comments would be appreciated!

If it's mostly 2-channel music, then #1 definitely.

Could use some help with a system I'm trying to build. Will be pretty much only for music going in a loft above a garage I am haveing built in the next month.

Here are my possibilities:

1) 2 x Studio 100's + 1 x Sudio 40 as center, 2 x Titans that I already own as rears, 2 x PB10 -NSD SVS subwoofers
2) 5 x Studio 40's + 2 x PB10-NSD SVS subwoofers
3) 3 x Studio 40's, use Titans as rears, 2 x PB10 NSD SVS subwoofers.
4) 3 x Studio 40's, 2 x Studio 20's, 2 x PB10-NSD SVS subwoofers.

The room these will be in is going to be 16' W x 24' L x 8' H, but the side walls will be following the roof line after approx the 4' level on the wall.

Will be using my Yamaha RX-V2400 to power the center & surrounds, with an Emotiva XPA-2 powering the front l/r speakers.

Will mostly be used for 2 channel music & multichannel DVD-a & SACD.

The reason I picked the PB10-NSD subs is I don't think I could do better for the price delivered to me. I also ws considering the 2 of them when I was going to be all Studio 40's. If I went with the 100's I probably would not need the 2 subs.

Any suggestions/hints/comments would be appreciated!

Conventional wisdom says to use matched speakers all around, but having just been involved in the purchase and set up of a pair of Studio 100's used in conjunction with a "mismatched" set of surrounds, I know that such a set up can be sound excellent. Maybe I'm biased (but then most people here are in one way or another ;) ), but I'd go for option 1, mostly because I wouldn't want to give up the Studio 100's for pure music listening. (You can always add some smaller Studios to the rear later, if you feel the need.)

The Yamaha's auto EQ function can do a lot toward minimizing the difference between your mains and rears. In this case, I'd recommend the setting that attempts to match the other three to your main speakers rather than the one that adjusts all five of them.

Your room has a lot to do with how closely even identical speakers match in timbre when they are finally set up. The system I just mentioned blends better than my home system does, even though I use matched speakers at home. (My room is an acoustical nightmare!) While my speaker to speaker differences are very apparent when listening to pink noise, in real world listening, the differences aren't all that noticeable, even with SACDs.

I'd endorse your choice of subs. They are hard to beat for value. (I have a couple of larger SVS's in my home set up.) However, for music, they aren't really necessary with the Studio 100's. Although a sub does add a nice foundation to the bass, I didn't miss the sub a lot when I was listening to music through the 100's with the sub turned off.

A sub would add significantly to movies, though, especially action flicks. I like using two subs to reduce standing waves, but you'd probably be fine with just one. Most people are. It depends on your budget. (SVS offers a discount to customers who buy a second sub, even if they don't buy them at the same time.) If you can manage it, go with option one just as you described it.

Thanks for your suggestions. Anybody else?

Thanks for your suggestions. Anybody else?

What's your percentage of 2-ch to multi-ch? If it's most 2 channel studio 100's. If it's mostly multi-ch you might like 5 studio 40's.

I’m expecting a bunch of “oh boy, here we go again, not another noob..” type of reactions from all of you, but I could really use some help narrowing down my options…

I’ve been stuck in analysis paralysis for quite a while (years) and can’t seem to break through the decision making process (it stretched on for years because of lack of funds primarily), and now I think I’m close to making the “go” decision but am suddenly apprehensive and would appreciate some candid advice.

Here’s some background: I’m building my first ever surround Home Entertainment System (as opposed to a HTS, I will not now, nor in the near future have a dedicated room for an HTS). I have a wife and three kids (8, 5, 1.5yrs) and we entertain a couple other friends and families about once a week. Also, I plan on entertaining on Sunday’s as well (NFL Football!) with “the guys.” Almost all of our usage of the system will be for Movies or Sports, though with the kids we will watch the cartoons and other “kiddie” shows that they watch daily. Periodically we’ll use the system for music, but probably less than 5%.

I’ve attached some floorplan options that I drafted several years ago to ask for recommendations in another forum. We’ve decided that we’ll use Layout Option #3 but with the Sub in the NE corner, and move to 7.1 for now with the back speakers on the back wall, and probably another recliner opposite the one located in the southern side of the room. The acoustics will not be ideal, as the North wall is all glass (windows and sliding glass doors) and the wife will not go for heavy drapes to cut down on sound reflections so I’m looking at having to live with that. My ceilings are only 8 ft tall. Because of the kids the wife decided that we needed to go to Floorstanders for the Front channels (she was not comfortable with pedestals and the kids, especially after seeing price tags for the speakers).

After much perusing of these forums, and consulting with some of my audiophile friends I decided on Paradigm for the speakers, but could use your help selecting the right series and specifics.

Here were my thoughts, I basically picked the recommended setup from Paradigm’s site for the Studio 100s:
Fronts: Studio 100s
Center: Studio CC-690
Sides: Studio ADP-590s
Rears: ADP-590s, but now hear I might want some that are direct driven.
Sub: Servo 15 (this is negotiable).

I am planning on using a Pioneer Elite SC-07 to drive the speakers and handle the rest of the system (PDP, HD DirecTV DVR, etc.), but now I’m wondering if I’m biting off more than I can chew and should consider changing to either the Millenia or Monitor series speakers. And I have no clue about Subs (even after spending gobs of time in that forum).

The wife mentioned wanting in-walls, though I am concerned about the fact that the East wall is up against the bathrooms and am concerned we don’t have enough clearance for the in-wall types they offer. Space will be tight for the sides as well, does anyone think in-ceiling speakers in this position would be acceptable for what I’m trying to accomplish? I will take the advice about listening to the setup in the dealers store before I buy, so I’m Ok with listening to different options you might propose.

And I’m the type to buy stuff once and use it for a long time, so I look at future proofing these types of purchases and have been saving up to handle the pricetags for the Studio series (I won’t stretch to the Signature series… :rolleyes:).

Thanks for reading, and I look forward to your expert opinions.

I’m expecting a bunch of “oh boy, here we go again, not another noob..” type of reactions from all of you, but I could really use some help narrowing down my options…

I’ve been stuck in analysis paralysis for quite a while (years) and can’t seem to break through the decision making process (it stretched on for years because of lack of funds primarily), and now I think I’m close to making the “go” decision but am suddenly apprehensive and would appreciate some candid advice.

Here’s some background: I’m building my first ever surround Home Entertainment System (as opposed to a HTS, I will not now, nor in the near future have a dedicated room for an HTS). I have a wife and three kids (8, 5, 1.5yrs) and we entertain a couple other friends and families about once a week. Also, I plan on entertaining on Sunday’s as well (NFL Football!) with “the guys.” Almost all of our usage of the system will be for Movies or Sports, though with the kids we will watch the cartoons and other “kiddie” shows that they watch daily. Periodically we’ll use the system for music, but probably less than 5%.

I’ve attached some floorplan options that I drafted several years ago to ask for recommendations in another forum. We’ve decided that we’ll use Layout Option #3 but with the Sub in the NE corner, and move to 7.1 for now with the back speakers on the back wall, and probably another recliner opposite the one located in the southern side of the room. The acoustics will not be ideal, as the North wall is all glass (windows and sliding glass doors) and the wife will not go for heavy drapes to cut down on sound reflections so I’m looking at having to live with that. My ceilings are only 8 ft tall. Because of the kids the wife decided that we needed to go to Floorstanders for the Front channels (she was not comfortable with pedestals and the kids, especially after seeing price tags for the speakers).

After much perusing of these forums, and consulting with some of my audiophile friends I decided on Paradigm for the speakers, but could use your help selecting the right series and specifics.

Here were my thoughts, I basically picked the recommended setup from Paradigm’s site for the Studio 100s:
Fronts: Studio 100s
Center: Studio CC-690
Sides: Studio ADP-590s
Rears: ADP-590s, but now hear I might want some that are direct driven.
Sub: Servo 15 (this is negotiable).

I am planning on using a Pioneer Elite SC-07 to drive the speakers and handle the rest of the system (PDP, HD DirecTV DVR, etc.), but now I’m wondering if I’m biting off more than I can chew and should consider changing to either the Millenia or Monitor series speakers. And I have no clue about Subs (even after spending gobs of time in that forum).

The wife mentioned wanting in-walls, though I am concerned about the fact that the East wall is up against the bathrooms and am concerned we don’t have enough clearance for the in-wall types they offer. Space will be tight for the sides as well, does anyone think in-ceiling speakers in this position would be acceptable for what I’m trying to accomplish? I will take the advice about listening to the setup in the dealers store before I buy, so I’m Ok with listening to different options you might propose.

And I’m the type to buy stuff once and use it for a long time, so I look at future proofing these types of purchases and have been saving up to handle the pricetags for the Studio series (I won’t stretch to the Signature series… :rolleyes:).

Thanks for reading, and I look forward to your expert opinions.

That's one heck of a small dining room. Are you intending to use the rooms as noted, or just for the home theater-type system?

If you tend to buy stuff and keep it forever, as you say, logic would dictate to buy the best you're willing to afford. The Studios are much better than the Monitors, IMO.

Have you gone and listened to them all, to hear them side-by-side and determine if the price difference is worth it to your ears?

For subs, there are much better out there, often for much cheaper. Check out CraigSubs list. If you're willing to go ID, you can get a great deal on an amazing sub (I personally like the SVS PB13 Ultra).

That's one heck of a small dining room. Are you intending to use the rooms as noted, or just for the home theater-type system?

If you tend to buy stuff and keep it forever, as you say, logic would dictate to buy the best you're willing to afford. The Studios are much better than the Monitors, IMO.

Have you gone and listened to them all, to hear them side-by-side and determine if the price difference is worth it to your ears?

For subs, there are much better out there, often for much cheaper. Check out CraigSubs list. If you're willing to go ID, you can get a great deal on an amazing sub (I personally like the SVS PB13 Ultra).

Thanks for the reply. Yes the dining room is really too small for a dining room, that's why we basically use the entire shaded area as our "living" room. I am planning on using a "loveseat" for the sweet spot sitting arrangement with 2 recliners flanking it, the space behind the couch will still be the kids "play area" except when they're watching TV.

I am going to listen to the speakers before I buy them, I'm a little concerned about the differences between the "ideal" setup at a dealer's shop vs what I'd get while in my actual house, but I have some music and DVD's that I am quite familiar with that I plan on bringing with me so hopefully even my "untrained" ears will tell the difference.

I'll have to look up the specs on the SVS PB13, thanks for the recommendation.

I am curious to hear if anyone has any experience with Paradigms in-wall or in-ceiling speakers and how they compare to the info I've read about those types of speakers (that they don't have as much dynamic range, they sound too high or too low, and are subject to "hollow" reverb from the inside of the wall).

I am going to listen to the speakers before I buy them, I'm a little concerned about the differences between the "ideal" setup at a dealer's shop vs what I'd get while in my actual house, but I have some music and DVD's that I am quite familiar with that I plan on bringing with me so hopefully even my "untrained" ears will tell the difference.

If you do an A/B in the dealer, even if the setup is better than what you'll have, you'll still be able to hear the relative differences. So if they behave "worse" in your house, they will still sound similar relative to each other (e.g. if the Studio sounds 3x better to you, it will still be ~3x better to you in another environment).

Plus, your room isn't that bad. It's not a box, so you you won't have too many weird sound issues. And you have a couple soft pieces of furniture for sound. if you get motivated, you can put up a couple of acoustic panels and have a good listening area.

If you do an A/B in the dealer, even if the setup is better than what you'll have, you'll still be able to hear the relative differences. So if they behave "worse" in your house, they will still sound similar relative to each other (e.g. if the Studio sounds 3x better to you, it will still be ~3x better to you in another environment).

Plus, your room isn't that bad. It's not a box, so you you won't have too many weird sound issues. And you have a couple soft pieces of furniture for sound. if you get motivated, you can put up a couple of acoustic panels and have a good listening area.


Thanks again, I hadn't thought of the comparison that way. Guess I'm just getting too antsy about this. :D

I wasn't sure what type of acoustic treatment to look into. Right now the floor is carpeted, but in the future we plan on turning it into hardwood (not sure if I can muster the financing to include that in the remodel scope just yet). I know that hardwood will definitely make a difference in the acoustics, but for panels I would really only have the wall with the TV and the one behind the couch to mess with.

Thanks again, I hadn't thought of the comparison that way. Guess I'm just getting too antsy about this. :D

I wasn't sure what type of acoustic treatment to look into. Right now the floor is carpeted, but in the future we plan on turning it into hardwood (not sure if I can muster the financing to include that in the remodel scope just yet). I know that hardwood will definitely make a difference in the acoustics, but for panels I would really only have the wall with the TV and the one behind the couch to mess with.

Carpet is better for a HT space. The goal is to prevent too much reflected sound that's out of sync.

In the extreme, that means treating all the walls. In reality, it mostly means treating the first reflection points and the corners (for bass).

So - the front wall (TV wall), ideally the whole thing, but at least where the speakers are; the side walls where the speakers bounce (use the mirror test); the rear wall, at least the major reflection points; possibly the ceiling, at least for the center speaker. And all corners, if possible.

In terms of cost, you can do it for about $30 per panel, DIY. Check out ATS Acoustics for materials. Just use a panel + fabric + some sort of frame. Pretty easy, and great results.

Carpet is better for a HT space. The goal is to prevent too much reflected sound that's out of sync.

In the extreme, that means treating all the walls. In reality, it mostly means treating the first reflection points and the corners (for bass).

So - the front wall (TV wall), ideally the whole thing, but at least where the speakers are; the side walls where the speakers bounce (use the mirror test); the rear wall, at least the major reflection points; possibly the ceiling, at least for the center speaker. And all corners, if possible.

In terms of cost, you can do it for about $30 per panel, DIY. Check out ATS Acoustics for materials. Just use a panel + fabric + some sort of frame. Pretty easy, and great results.

Thanks again. I'm not quite sure I understand how to treat the corners, but I think I understand what you mean about the fabric/frames for the TV wall and the rear wall. I plan on mounting the TV on the wall, so that space won't be available, but I can probably work something out behind the speaker locations.

I'm also having trouble figuring out which rear direct driven speakers I should choose. Do I go with smaller fronts in that location (like the Studio 40s but wall mounted with a bracket/shelf), or a pair of the center channels?

Thanks again. I'm not quite sure I understand how to treat the corners, but I think I understand what you mean about the fabric/frames for the TV wall and the rear wall. I plan on mounting the TV on the wall, so that space won't be available, but I can probably work something out behind the speaker locations.

I'm also having trouble figuring out which rear direct driven speakers I should choose. Do I go with smaller fronts in that location (like the Studio 40s but wall mounted with a bracket/shelf), or a pair of the center channels?

For multi-channel music, generally go with as big directs as you can for all channels. So the best setup would be 100's for all 5/7 channels. ADP's for music is really not desirable. 40's are certainly good options. For HT use, 20's would likely be enough for the rears, and ADP's for the sides.

Is Paradigm the best Canadian speaker?

Is Paradigm the best Canadian speaker?

Oh this question is going to be interesting.

Is Paradigm the best Canadian speaker?

Hey now, no trick questions! That's like asking what the best Napa Valley wine is. It's all a matter of taste.
The best thing one could do, is audition them, and decide whether or not you like them. As I've spent a good amount of time in recording studios, I think the Studio series compares favorably to my personal favorite speakers, Meyer HD-1's.
But that's just me. YMMV. :D

The millinium series is among the most least desirable of the Paradigm line.

They are plastic encased and sound extremely thin sounding, easily overloaded. They are REALLY produced to entice folks who think by buying Paradigm they are doing better then buying a HTIB, absolutely not so. Moreover, they are flashy/trendy with their thin line construction requiring on wall mounting or buying their expensive flimsy stands. I would rank the Millinium somewhere in the middle of the current HTIB.

Considering their price, you would be much better served with the HSU below:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

As a Paradigm dealer of over 20 years and recently retired, I like to I am a little familiar with the issue. If HSU doesn't ring your bell, look at the Paradigm monitor series.

good luck!

I was actually thinking of getting the Millenia series...

I was actually thinking of getting the Millenia series...

Ergo my complete comments about that series. Hey... its your money, your home, your ears and to the uninformed or naive, its your WAF (sorry SOAF) or marriage/relationship.

If you are here for advice, advice is what you will get Unburnished, cutting, sometimes acerbic, undressed, to the point and not always what you hope to read.:eek:

Too many audio neophytes, to wit I include Home Theater beginners, look for acceptance and approval by those they agree with. Be pragmatic, if its a money issue then all bets are off. Buy what you can afford.:rolleyes:

If per chance, money is not the primary issue, but lack of knowledge, then forums such as these will give you a plethora of good solid and experienced information, by which you can avoid all of the pitfalls in making a buying decision.

If your mind is made up already, nobody here can help you. Decision making on forums of this type is done by consensus. The more folks who agree on a product, service, brand and process assures you IT WILL BE A GOOD BASIS FOR MAKING YOUR DECISION.:D

Should a fervent LACK of CONSENSUS exist, then you need to look harder for guidance.;)

I was actually thinking of getting the Millenia series...

Listen to the speakers. If you like them buy them.

It's pretty simple. People like to make a bigger deal out of it than it really is. It's our hobby so we like to think selecting the right speaker is an exacting science that takes tons of research. Others think we're crazy.

Bottom line is it's your money spend it on whatever makes you happy.

I was actually thinking of getting the Millenia series...I pretty much concur with the last two posts, but want to add that it is always wise to keep in mind that a kind of herd mentality exists on boards like this. It is not uncommon for someone to post a fervent opinion about one product being better or worse than another, even though that person has had little or no personal experience with either. It's a reflection of what he has read, not what he has observed. When an item gains a reputation, there is a tendency to reinforce it. Often "reviews" are tainted with a placebo effect based upon the expectations gained from peer opinions. Consensus is not always well earned.

Bottom line, it's valuable to learn what you can from these forums, but in the end there is no substitute for your own good judgement. :)

Thats why I said I am "thinking" of buying the Millenia, I did not say I "will" buy the Millenia :) two different things IMO ;)

I heard the Millenia, I wouldn't say it blew me away, but it was good. One of the things I like about it is its not bulky and I do not have the biggest living room so, no need to a big front speakers with bass. I was also thinking of the Studio 60 for the fronts. But the thing is it might be too big and the center for the studio series is way to big.

Another option was the Cinema Phantom for fronts, I am not sure if this is better than the Millenia since the Millenia is the "Reference" series... I havent heard for the Cinema yet.

Personally I am not really looking for power like most ppl, I want quality not quantity. Some ppl will buy the biggest/loudest speaker they can get/afford even cheap ones.

So thats why I am here to check and read ppls opinion ;)

Thats why I said I am "thinking" of buying the Millenia, I did not say I "will" buy the Millenia :) two different things IMO ;)

I heard the Millenia, I wouldn't say it blew me away, but it was good. One of the things I like about it is its not bulky and I do not have the biggest living room so, no need to a big front speakers with bass. I was also thinking of the Studio 60 for the fronts. But the thing is it might be too big and the center for the studio series is way to big.

Another option was the Cinema Phantom for fronts, I am not sure if this is better than the Millenia since the Millenia is the "Reference" series... I havent heard for the Cinema yet.

Personally I am not really looking for power like most ppl, I want quality not quantity. Some ppl will buy the biggest/loudest speaker they can get/afford even cheap ones.

So thats why I am here to check and read ppls opinion ;)

Ok then, if space is the issue then I strongly urge you look to another place for among the best "small" sytems I had the pleasure of hearing. Look to any of these offerings from HSU Research. 1st they are highly regarded by the HT & Audio Press, 2nd they quite very affordable, 3rd, you try them in your home and return them for all of your money back and, 4th you will keep a lot of your money in your pocket where it belongs!:)

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/performance1.html

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/performance2.html

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast1.html

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast2.html

It doesn't get better than this at THIS price point!

The proof that your mind isn't already made up, is for you to try this offer and widen your horizons. You'll be amazed at what lies outside of the Paradigm branding;)

I think that he also might be in it here partly for the looks dept. and the Millenia's are nice looking speakers, but have drawbacks within their design/implementation, choice of drivers for the price...

Not sure, but you might possibly be interested in looking at Def Tech's Mythos series, which employs the same in the looks department, but to me sounded much larger solid then the Millenia's... http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/mythos/mythos_tower.html

Ok then, if space is the issue then I strongly urge you look to another place for among the best "small" sytems I had the pleasure of hearing. Look to any of these offerings from HSU Research. 1st they are highly regarded by the HT & Audio Press, 2nd they quite very affordable, 3rd, you try them in your home and return them for all of your money back and, 4th you will keep a lot of your money in your pocket where it belongs!:)

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/performance1.html

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/performance2.html

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast1.html

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast2.html

It doesn't get better than this at THIS price point!

The proof that your mind isn't already made up, is for you to try this offer and widen your horizons. You'll be amazed at what lies outside of the Paradigm branding;)

I actually dont want HTIB since I currently have that.

I want a floor standing speaker for the fronts.

I think that he also might be in it here partly for the looks dept. and the Millenia's are nice looking speakers, but have drawbacks within their design/implementation, choice of drivers for the price...

Not sure, but you might possibly be interested in looking at Def Tech's Mythos series, which employs the same in the looks department, but to me sounded much larger solid then the Millenia's... http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/mythos/mythos_tower.html

Hmmm that might be good, I never check Def Tech since they are usually way out of my budget. I will have to check the price for the Methos 5 here in Canada...

I actually dont want HTIB since I currently have that.

I want a floor standing speaker for the fronts.

Unless I missed, I don;t recall you mentioning you already HTIB. Wapdrv is right on as always, though we disagree when comes to the MYTHOS, which I beleive is as overpriced as the Siggies and doesn't even sound as good to my ears. Their subs are built-in and a severe air moving limitation ergo. power. This has be written about in recent reviews as well. So $5k with mythos doesn't quite do the trick in my book. I keep on coming back to the SVS & AV123 lines, where you are $7-9k getting performance for under $5k including monster subs.

I don't see how you could go wrong. Both have big sales going on right now!

Go over to their forums on this boards and ask the local gentry about them.
see what they have to say.... you'll be amazed.:cool: