Those are an early generation of "Monitor Series" speakers, model 9 I believe. Don't know the year, but I'm thinking late 90's / early 2000.

http://www.mortechcomputers.com/paradigm_speakers.jpg



Thanks. What would be a good center match for them?

I'm just curious to know: If the Monitor 5s can go down to let's day 50Hz with no dips, what is the advantage of sending the sound below 80Hz to the subwoofer instead?

Lots, the biggies in my book are:

It reduces load on the AVR as the sub amp is doing the heavy lifting.

It reduces the excursion of the drivers in the main speakers, letting them reproduce the upper frequencies more linearly (lower distortion)

You can position the sub optimally in the room for bass reproduction, not constrained by the locations for stereo imaging

Lots, the biggies in my book are:

It reduces load on the AVR as the sub amp is doing the heavy lifting.

It reduces the excursion of the drivers in the main speakers, letting them reproduce the upper frequencies more linearly (lower distortion)

You can position the sub optimally in the room for bass reproduction, not constrained by the locations for stereo imaging

In any system where a subwoofer is used I always recommend taking measurements of your main L/R speakers full range. Throw together a quick graph from the measurements and this will show you how your speakers interact with your room at your seating (measuring) position. Now set them to Small and then start with your sub's cross-over at 80Hz and go down to it's lowest setting. Now go back up to 80Hz and do it again and tinker with the phase. Some are only selectable, 0 or 90, but some let you adjust over a range. Once you've gone through a few times you can see where you sub/sat combo achieves the flattest response in your room and you're all set.

I run my Studio 100's set to Small and cross them over to my SVS sub at 40Hz with the phase at 90 and all holes unplugged.

Bill

Thanks for the reply!

I'm just curious to know: If the Monitor 5s can go down to let's day 50Hz with no dips, what is the advantage of sending the sound below 80Hz to the subwoofer instead?

Thanks!

Because your sub can do those frequencies without breaking a sweet and
unless your rec/amp is capable of sending out at least 200w a channel i doubt
the same can be said.

Is there anyway to wall mount my Mini Monitors (v.3)? Moving into a house with space issues on the wall where my TV will be going and was hoping to find a wall mounting solution.

:d


Thanks for the info on the V.5. DO they look like they might be Sig V.2 hand-me downs, just from looking at the shape and look of the cabinet. To me the Studio 20 looks alot like the the Sig S2..Not sure how to copy the pic!!!


I am currently using the Atom v5's as a true bookshelf speakers due to space constraints in a small room.

While I am happy with their movie performance, I was looking for a step up in music performance.

Someone mentioned there was a Studio 10 in the works? Does anyone have any info?

Thanks


The small one to the left in the pic of the new v5s with the oval shape port is rumored to be the Studio 10..

Id be very interested in seeing the new Studios opened up to see the differences in the cabinet construction between them and the Sigs, but obviously the drivers will still remain the .v4 setup from the pictures. Not that I have any complaints with mine, .v5's are certainly nicer looking in the looks dept. and a curved cabinet will also aid in the reduction of backwaves.

I have the Cinema 220 speakers for my home theater system. The left and right speakers are about 6' apart, when I sit on the ends of the couch I am opposite of the speakers. The problem is that during music I can hear the sound coming from the speaker opposite me, it's like the sound is just coming from that one speaker. I have tried different angles with the speaker and it doesn't seem to fix the problem. Anyone know why this is happening ? I know the speakers are not the best in the world, would a better quality speaker solve this problem ?

Thanks

I just purchased a pair of Monitor 11 v6 and I was wondering where I should cross these over at. I do have a sub, it is an ED A3-300. Should I just cross these over at 80 or should I go to 60?

I just purchased a pair of Monitor 11 v6 and I was wondering where I should cross these over at. I do have a sub, it is an ED A3-300. Should I just cross these over at 80 or should I go to 60?

Trial and error.

Missed this thread in my original post, long story short what is your opinions of this setup which was recommended to me by a local dealer, intended for casual use as we already have a home theater upstairs:

Fronts: Paradigm CS-60R-30 @ $219 ea.
Center: Paradigm CC190 @ $299
Rears: Paradigm CS-60R-SM @ $169 ea.
Sub: Paradigm DSP3100 @ $499
Rec.: Marantz Sr5003 @ $799

There were not available in the showroom so we have no idea how these sound... shopping blindly here, help appreciated. Wanted to keep it under 2k... wondering if the above is worth it.

Missed this thread in my original post, long story short what is your opinions of this setup which was recommended to me by a local dealer, intended for casual use as we already have a home theater upstairs:

Fronts: Paradigm CS-60R-30 @ $219 ea.
Center: Paradigm CC190 @ $299
Rears: Paradigm CS-60R-SM @ $169 ea.
Sub: Paradigm DSP3100 @ $499
Rec.: Marantz Sr5003 @ $799

There were not available in the showroom so we have no idea how these sound... shopping blindly here, help appreciated. Wanted to keep it under 2k... wondering if the above is worth it.

This guy isn't doing you any favors.
for a couple of bucks more, The ATOM's for front and rear are light years better the anything in the Cinema series.. Then go for the CC290 for the center and AVOID THE PARADIGM SUBS AT ALL COSTS! Better to buy a small HSU or a REL, then you will have a REAL sub. As for electronics the cheapo Marantz's are not of the same caliber as the 800x series.. I would go with a Onkyo SR806, 706, 606, 576, 506. If money is the issue, heres a link to Onkyo's bargain basement refurbished gear. you can get a 506 for $200!:
http://www.shoponkyo.com/products.cfm?specials=1&group_id=1.

I own both a Denon 4806CI and Yamaha V2700... and I can honestly state in hearing the recent Onkyo's they just may have the "sonic" edge on my gear at less then 1/2 the price!

FYI... I am a retired Audio Salon owner which featured Paradigm, Denon, Rotel, ARC, Classe', Martin Logan, Thiel, REL products. This doesn't make me expert, just familiar and knowledgeable about sound and value.

Good luck!:)

Is there anyway to wall mount my Mini Monitors (v.3)? Moving into a house with space issues on the wall where my TV will be going and was hoping to find a wall mounting solution.


I mounted my mini-monitors as surrounds using Paradigms mounts which can work up to 18 lbs. They are a ball joint so you can angle them. Be aware that they are not designed well and the 18 lbs pushes them to the limit. They say not to overtighten, but they will not hold unless firmly tightened. But go a little too far and they will crack.

I mounted my mini-monitors as surrounds using Paradigms mounts which can work up to 18 lbs. They are a ball joint so you can angle them. Be aware that they are not designed well and the 18 lbs pushes them to the limit. They say not to overtighten, but they will not hold unless firmly tightened. But go a little too far and they will crack.

I suggest you avoid using the Paradigm MB-60 mounts for anything larger than the Atoms and even they test the ability of the Ball to hold in place.

Here are the mounts I am using for my Mini Monitors:

http://www.htd.com/speaker-cables-accessories/Wall-Mount-Speaker-Brackets/BR1-Heavy-Duty-Brackets

These are totally adjustable in all directions.
I have attempted to attach a couple of photos of the mounts attached to my speakers for your review.

Where do you mount onto the Mini monitor? Mine has no area to attach anything. It only has the speaker connections the label, and the port.

Where do you mount onto the Mini monitor? Mine has no area to attach anything. It only has the speaker connections the label, and the port.

You have to pre-drill holes in the back of the speaker. Then you can premount the speaker side of the brackets. You don't have to go very deep, but use large diameter screws like #10 or #12 1 1/4" round head. You only need two screws to mount the brackets on the speakers. I placed the brackets centered between the ports.

The Mini Monitor uses 1 1/2" thick MDF board, so if you choose in the future not to have them wall mounted, you can fill the screw holes with Wood putty and touch of black paint.

This doesn't compromise the sound in any way? I'd rather build a shelf then drill holes.

Lots, the biggies in my book are:

It reduces load on the AVR as the sub amp is doing the heavy lifting.

It reduces the excursion of the drivers in the main speakers, letting them reproduce the upper frequencies more linearly (lower distortion)

You can position the sub optimally in the room for bass reproduction, not constrained by the locations for stereo imaging

Thanks for the help!

That all makes sense!

just finished off my monitor v.5 setup with a couple of deals off ebay last week. fronts are monitor 9's, center is a cc-290, and rears are titans, with a velodyne dls sub. it's definately a nice step up from my 16+ y/o 3se's and 10+ y/o titans.

better than the servo 15 or the seismic, BETTER?

this guy isn't doing you any favors.
For a couple of bucks more, the atom's for front and rear are light years better the anything in the cinema series.. Then go for the cc290 for the center and avoid the paradigm subs at all costs! Better to buy a small hsu or a rel, then you will have a real sub. As for electronics the cheapo marantz's are not of the same caliber as the 800x series.. I would go with a onkyo sr806, 706, 606, 576, 506. If money is the issue, heres a link to onkyo's bargain basement refurbished gear. You can get a 506 for $200!:
http://www.shoponkyo.com/products.cfm?specials=1&group_id=1.

I own both a denon 4806ci and yamaha v2700... And i can honestly state in hearing the recent onkyo's they just may have the "sonic" edge on my gear at less then 1/2 the price!

Fyi... I am a retired audio salon owner which featured paradigm, denon, rotel, arc, classe', martin logan, thiel, rel products. This doesn't make me expert, just familiar and knowledgeable about sound and value.

Good luck!:)
wow really

this is suppose to be for paradigm! i think they are great for the money IMO, but i have 5 in ceiling and might go with a para sub or hsu or sunfire or epic the wait would kill me any advice from you guys?

AVOID THE PARADIGM SUBS AT ALL COSTS! Better to buy a small HSU or a REL, then you will have a REAL sub.
Can i know why?
I have a Monitor 9 v5, CC-390, ADP 170, Atom Monitor v5 and Onkyo 605 for set-up.
I'm looking to change my temporary Quest Sub. I was looking for a Paradigm PS, PW or maybe a DSP serie, because i taught that it will be the best to stay with the same Company, as for front and center.
Why i should not go with Paradigm sub?
I'm running low on $$ these times, and i was looking for a 500-600$ max sub, what will be better if not Paradigm?
thx

Can i know why?
I have a Monitor 9 v5, CC-390, ADP 170, Atom Monitor v5 and Onkyo 605 for set-up.
I'm looking to change my temporary Quest Sub. I was looking for a Paradigm PS, PW or maybe a DSP serie, because i taught that it will be the best to stay with the same Company, as for front and center.
Why i should not go with Paradigm sub?
I'm running low on $$ these times, and i was looking for a 500-600$ max sub, what will be better if not Paradigm?
thx

On subs it does not mater which brand since the frequencies it deals with
are to low as for their subs better can be had for the same amount such
as HSU and SVS. That being said the Servo is a remarkable sub and expensive.

That being said the Servo is a remarkable sub and expensive.

I'm not quite certain what you mean by this comment. Maybe its a typo.

It seems we are in agreement for different reasons. Mine purely economics versus value. Paradigm subs offer little performance value versus their prices.

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Axiom: http://www.axiomaudio.com/subwoofers.html

SVS.com:http://www.svsound.com/products-sub.cfm

EPIK: http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/Products.html

REL: http://www.rel.net/index2.htm This sells for $700


Check these companies out. Each produces subs many times superior to the best that Paradigm offers for much less money. My Favorite is the AV123 MFW-15 for $700... Each of these are highly rated in Craigs Sub list on this forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9164136#post9164136

This should be your guide to subs....look at the disparity between price and rank-performance for all that are listed, you can make your own conclusions.

There are many under $1k that are exceptional performers, Paradigm products are not among them IMHO as a retired audio dealer.

I did not say that the servo was a good bang for the buck but it is a great sub my
preference would be an SVS pb-13.

I was going to get a Paradigm Sub, but I took the advice of Ginovino a few months ago and now have four (4) subwoofers from AV123 (the MFW-15's) for less than the price of one Paradigm Sub. The AV123 subs are awesome and put out plenty of well-defined, articulate and very low bass.

I couldn't be happier with my deicsion and felt that I got an incredible bargain with these subs and having 4 of them doesn't mean that I will use all 4 at the same time, but at least it gives me the flexibility of using them in different configurations if I wanted to, plus these subs are "stackable" as well so you could have one stacked on top of another. What I'm doing now is having two subs stacked on top of each other on either side of my my viewing area. Looks very impressive and sounds more than impressive. I'm only using 2 of the subs because my receiver has one sub output and at this point, until I get a more advance receiver or processor, I will just use two of the subs instead of all 4. But, can't wait to use all 4 of them.

Thank you Ginovino for helping a sometimes stubborn guy like me to a great company. I've heard the Paradigm Subs between $2k and $3k and there's really no difference between the subs I got and the Paradigms. I feel like I got 4 Paradigms actually and that's why I like this forum so much is because you CAN learn about other companies that you would never think of purchasing from because you've never heard of them before. I did my research and got a great price and this is one area I don't think I will ever have to worry about for a long time. !

I missed this a few months back:

paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6 (http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/)

I own v.5 (2) Monitor 9's / (1) CC-390 / (4) ADP-390's, bought 1/10/2008.
Has anyone ever tried to upgrade their commercial speakers via dealer/OE?
I'll check with my dealer and see if they offer a crossover upgrade for current customers, since it seems the drivers/cabinets are the same.
Curious how much a dealer upgrade would cost vs them offering a DIY'er type swap upgrade.

Yea, I did notice my grille's are not the most stable for staying on, the 9's and CC-390, glad they improved that for new buyers.

I did not say that the servo was a good bang for the buck but it is a great sub my
preference would be an SVS pb-13.

It was my understanding (maybe incorrect) that MisterW was being cost frugal and is unable to spring $ for the mega models. Thus my suggestion about value for $. Again my case is supported by Craigs Sub rankings. Paradigm is for intents and purposes nowhere to be found.

My thanks to JimmyDavies for the kind words. Let me make it perfectly clear, I have NO VESTED INTEREST of any sort with the AV123 organization other than they build very good sounding, looking and built products for their price points.

I have very high regard for the SVS line of subs. They may have set the standard in the +$1k subs (except JL Fathoms). In fact companies such as Axiom, Epik and AV123 are the ones to beat and I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

I trust and respect your knowledge from reading many of your responses on this forum. Your knowledge of HT is extensive and pointed.

I lean toward the audiophile side of the fence, deeply entrenched in the 2 channel arena. Where sonic accuracy, purity, speed, staging, dimension and realism are the "paradigms". While subwoofers have their place in the 2 channel world, they are face the integration, time alignment and phase issues seemingly resolved in the Home Theater world.

My recommendations weigh heavily with musical accuracy of any subwoofer you plan to use. Bombastic, pants flapping sound has its place for special effects, though is never found in the concert hall or performance venue.

It is my view that if you buy with accuracy 1st on your priority list, the rest should fall into place (within reason of course) given your sub is large enough and its electronics are up to the task.:).

I missed this a few months back:

paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6 (http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/)

I own v.5 (2) Monitor 9's / (1) CC-390 / (4) ADP-390's, bought 1/10/2008.
Has anyone ever tried to upgrade their commercial speakers via dealer/OE?
I'll check with my dealer and see if they offer a crossover upgrade for current customers, since it seems the drivers/cabinets are the same.
Curious how much a dealer upgrade would cost vs them offering a DIY'er type swap upgrade.

Yea, I did notice my grille's are not the most stable for staying on, the 9's and CC-390, glad they improved that for new buyers.

A couple of points, Paradigm in its Monitor .V5 series improved how the Grill covers now are attached.

Paradigm as a company has no internal structure for revamping, retail product "in production" upgrades/retools.

If your product is defective or so you believe, it can be returned to "P" and at their discretion repair, modify it or replace it for free. They WILL NOT convert your model .v4 to a .V5 nor are they able based on the technical design issues between models.

Unlike many companies, "P" does not maintain a "B" stock inventory, defective parts are trashed, the remaining operating parts are used to backfill repaired units or returned to a 5 year inventory warehouse. In fact their inventory methodology is amazing. They stop producing (building) models 1 year before introducing their replacements. Ergo, no excess inventory.

Any dealer who claims otherwise, doesn't know Paradigm, is lying or trying to impress you. A call to Gary Takada (customer service manager) at Paradigm will answer any questions you may have.

Good luck;)

A couple of points, Paradigm in its Monitor .V5 series improved how the Grill covers now are attached.


Improved? not in my book. Look's nice, but the v4 grill was better imo. Since my Monitor 9 v5 grills dont clip (magnet clip) well at top or bottom equally, plus one of the grill seem to twist a bit, can result in vibrations with bass (grill on cabinet).
So v5 grill looks nice and clean, but v4 where more secure in place.
V5 gill seem to be more filled with plastik instead of a mesh, and the sound seem more "covered" (i dont know how to say it in english, but like if you have your hand in front of your mouth), and sound clearer without grills. But Gary Takeda from Pardigm told me they are calibrated to play with the grills.
I have to keep them anyway since cats and kids are a threat to speakers.

BTW, Thank you for you advices about subwoofers.

This doesn't compromise the sound in any way? I'd rather build a shelf then drill holes.

I have Mini-monitors used as surrounds in my media room with the B-Tech BT77 stands. No need to drill holes into your speakers and the stand is highly adjustable. Relatively cheap too and very well made.

This doesn't compromise the sound in any way? I'd rather build a shelf then drill holes.

I have Mini-monitors used as surrounds in my media room with the B-Tech BT77 stands. No need to drill holes into your speakers and the stand is highly adjustable. Relatively cheap too and very well made. They hold around 30 pounds each too. Crutchfield has them.

My local Paradigm dealer is trying to steer me away from the CS-60R-30, 30 degree angled CS series speakers...

http://paradigm.com/images/paradigm/speaker_type_6/series_7/model_30/cs60r30_7_off.jpg

And to just go with downward pointing drivers and the regular CS-60R.

Any recommendations to go with one or the other?

I'm interested in hearing responses to this post, as well.

I still haven't made a purchase yet. I can't figure out why he would think the down firing would make better surrounds in a home theater setup.

I still haven't made a purchase yet. I can't figure out why he would think the down firing would make better surrounds in a home theater setup.

Roughly how much was he quoting you for the speakers?

I'm interested in hearing responses to this post, as well.

Sorry, I have no experience on this subject myself. However, the following links may help.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14764687

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-sPl7jmiO4iq/learn/learningcenter/home/inwall_placement.html
“If your speaker's tweeters can swivel, aim them towards your seating position. This can help create a realistic soundfield ™ you'll be able to hear objects on the screen as they move from left to right.”

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-ogZg9nHRatZ/Learn/learningcenter/home/speakers_inwall.html
“Swiveling tweeters — Some in-wall and in-ceiling speakers come with swiveling tweeters, so you can angle the sound toward a preferred listening spot. For example, in a home theater setup, you might angle the tweeters in your surround speakers to get more realistic sound effects.”

Roughly how much was he quoting you for the speakers?

I haven't gone in to work a deal yet, but retail I think is $229 for the -30 and $159 for the regular ones.

I'm curious as to how important it is to tonally match the surrounds to the rest of the system. I like the features of the Speakercraft AIM8 over anything paradigm had to offer.

I'm curious as to how important it is to tonally match the surrounds to the rest of the system. I like the features of the Speakercraft AIM8 over anything paradigm had to offer.

I dont find it important at all, I run 2 Energy RVSS surrounds I got for $120 bucks, along side Titan v5 and a CC190. The biggest difference is listening to multi channel music, so if thats not an issue like it isnt for me then anything decent should work fine for HT applications.

I'm curious as to how important it is to tonally match the surrounds to the rest of the system. I like the features of the Speakercraft AIM8 over anything paradigm had to offer.

For me, it’s important to tonally match speakers. I’ve heard it stated like this before….If you’re sitting in a chair in the middle of your home theater system. And your system is emulating the sound of a car or helicopter traveling around you in a circle. The helicopter or car should sound the same as it travels around the listener to create a more believable image. It would be much easier to create a smooth transition if the speaker were tonally matched. If possible (most often not the case) use the exact same speaker all the way around.

For me, it’s important to tonally match speakers. I’ve heard it stated like this before….If you’re sitting in a chair in the middle of your home theater system. And your system is emulating the sound of a car or helicopter traveling around you in a circle. The helicopter or car should sound the same as it travels around the listener to create a more believable image. It would be much easier to create a smooth transition if the speaker were tonally matched. If possible (most often not the case) use the exact same speaker all the way around. Can't disagree, but unfortunately even identical speakers will not always guarantee identical responses in a given room. Placement and idiosyncrasies of the room itself come into play. Oddly, I've had mismatched speakers blend more convincingly than identical ones, although the odds for success are certainly much better if they are tonally matched to begin with.

I recently purchased a pair Paradigm Sig S1 v2s as fronts in my HT setup. I have a Integra DTR 8.8 driving them and a Velodyne DD15 sub to fill in the bottom. As nice as the speakers are I find myself just not totally happy with them. The detail is great but they lack soundstage and overall presence. I have discussed this with my dealer and we have a few alternatives, please let me know what you think.

1. trade in sig 1s for sig s2s
2. trade in sig s1s for studio 60s and add an Anthem MCA30
3. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus (lots more $$)
4. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Concerto Domus (more $$) - not advised by dealer prefers studio 60 & mca30 to these speakers

I think the amp will help tremendously. My choices are 1 & 2 so far, probably adding an amp to #1

thanks for your help in advance.

A couple of points, Paradigm in its Monitor .V5 series improved how the Grill covers now are attached.

Paradigm as a company has no internal structure for revamping, retail product "in production" upgrades/retools.

If your product is defective or so you believe, it can be returned to "P" and at their discretion repair, modify it or replace it for free. They WILL NOT convert your model .v4 to a .V5 nor are they able based on the technical design issues between models.

Unlike many companies, "P" does not maintain a "B" stock inventory, defective parts are trashed, the remaining operating parts are used to backfill repaired units or returned to a 5 year inventory warehouse. In fact their inventory methodology is amazing. They stop producing (building) models 1 year before introducing their replacements. Ergo, no excess inventory.

Any dealer who claims otherwise, doesn't know Paradigm, is lying or trying to impress you. A call to Gary Takada (customer service manager) at Paradigm will answer any questions you may have.

Good luck;)

Thx for quick feedback, I'll stick with my stock v5 Monitor 9's / CC-390 and give up any upgrade path to v6 for it's "improved" crossover circuit.

I am satisfied with them as is.
You know how it is, you buy something, love it, then a small internal part of it is "tweaked" in the next minor product cycle rev, and you think hmmmmm I wonder if I can upgrade to the next rev myself.
(just doing my part as a consumer to keep this economy moving)

I recently purchased a pair Paradigm Sig S1 v2s as fronts in my HT setup. I have a Integra DTR 8.8 driving them and a Velodyne DD15 sub to fill in the bottom. As nice as the speakers are I find myself just not totally happy with them. The detail is great but they lack soundstage and overall presence. I have discussed this with my dealer and we have a few alternatives, please let me know what you think.

1. trade in sig 1s for sig s2s
2. trade in sig s1s for studio 60s and add an Anthem MCA30
3. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus (lots more $$)
4. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Concerto Domus (more $$) - not advised by dealer prefers studio 60 & mca30 to these speakers

I think the amp will help tremendously. My choices are 1 & 2 so far, probably adding an amp to #1

thanks for your help in advance.
Since you are shopping have you had a chance to listen to the s6 and of
your options i would pick between 1&2 more than likely 1.

not advised by dealer prefers studio 60 & mca30 to these speaker
Who cares what the dealer thinks. These are YOUR speakers and you're the one that's not happy with the S1 so YOU need to listen to the combinations you listed and decide for yourself. The products you listed are all very good. There's no right or wrong.

Kal

I recently purchased a pair Paradigm Sig S1 v2s as fronts in my HT setup. I have a Integra DTR 8.8 driving them and a Velodyne DD15 sub to fill in the bottom. As nice as the speakers are I find myself just not totally happy with them. The detail is great but they lack soundstage and overall presence. I have discussed this with my dealer and we have a few alternatives, please let me know what you think.

1. trade in sig 1s for sig s2s
2. trade in sig s1s for studio 60s and add an Anthem MCA30
3. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus (lots more $$)
4. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Concerto Domus (more $$) - not advised by dealer prefers studio 60 & mca30 to these speakers

I think the amp will help tremendously. My choices are 1 & 2 so far, probably adding an amp to #1

thanks for your help in advance.

If it is the soundstage you want, you have to move up to the Signature S6 or the S8. But there is also a price issue, the S6's depending on the finish will set you back 5k.

What is your budget? If money is an issue than the Studio 60's with a good amp will give you more bang for the buck and the soundstage your looking for.

Is this mostly for music or HT?

I recently purchased a pair Paradigm Sig S1 v2s as fronts in my HT setup. I have a Integra DTR 8.8 driving them and a Velodyne DD15 sub to fill in the bottom. As nice as the speakers are I find myself just not totally happy with them. The detail is great but they lack soundstage and overall presence. I have discussed this with my dealer and we have a few alternatives, please let me know what you think.

1. trade in sig 1s for sig s2s
2. trade in sig s1s for studio 60s and add an Anthem MCA30
3. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus (lots more $$)
4. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Concerto Domus (more $$) - not advised by dealer prefers studio 60 & mca30 to these speakers

I think the amp will help tremendously. My choices are 1 & 2 so far, probably adding an amp to #1

thanks for your help in advance.

I would go for option 1. I went from studio 60s to sigs and couldn't go back. They are a lot better. I haven't heard the Sonus Faber though.

I recently purchased a pair Paradigm Sig S1 v2s as fronts in my HT setup. I have a Integra DTR 8.8 driving them and a Velodyne DD15 sub to fill in the bottom. As nice as the speakers are I find myself just not totally happy with them. The detail is great but they lack soundstage and overall presence. I have discussed this with my dealer and we have a few alternatives, please let me know what you think.

1. trade in sig 1s for sig s2s
2. trade in sig s1s for studio 60s and add an Anthem MCA30
3. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus (lots more $$)
4. trade in sig s1s for Sonus Faber Concerto Domus (more $$) - not advised by dealer prefers studio 60 & mca30 to these speakers

I think the amp will help tremendously. My choices are 1 & 2 so far, probably adding an amp to #1

thanks for your help in advance.

Not mentioned but what center do you have? That alone would be a major factor IMO.
And yes, I agree.....an amp will really help open up these speakers to their full potential.

But dont be restricted to just Anthem. I've tried Anthem on my system and for the money, I wasnt that impressed. I demo'd a used Parasound HCA1203A with my old Studio setup and was really pleased with the sound.
Now with my 100's and CC690, I searched for quite a while but found a used Parasound HCA2003 and couldnt be more happier.

Hey guys I am currently looking at Paradigm speakers and since my budget is tight and my wife doesn't want too huge of speakers I think I am looking more towards to cinema series.. are these still really good speakers? If not what would be some different options on some small but good speakers. I am buying the center speaker first and I am looking to spend anywhere from $100-$200.

Also does anyone know what the Cinema CC and Cinema 110 C prices should be around?

Hey guys I am currently looking at Paradigm speakers and since my budget is tight and my wife doesn't want too huge of speakers I think I am looking more towards to cinema series.. are these still really good speakers? If not what would be some different options on some small but good speakers. I am buying the center speaker first and I am looking to spend anywhere from $100-$200.

Also does anyone know what the Cinema CC and Cinema 110 C prices should be around?

I had the Cinema 110's, and there were great little speakers. Though I'd recommend getting at least the FL/FR/C at once, or you'll likely be disappointed with the total sound. And I think they are generally sold in a 5.1 setup, where you basically get the sub for free, and you really need a sub with these guys.

The only question is whether you can move up the PDigm line for nearly the same cost? I'm not sure about the pricing in the many middle models - can someone clarify?

Not mentioned but what center do you have? That alone would be a major factor IMO.
And yes, I agree.....an amp will really help open up these speakers to their full potential.

But dont be restricted to just Anthem. I've tried Anthem on my system and for the money, I wasnt that impressed. I demo'd a used Parasound HCA1203A with my old Studio setup and was really pleased with the sound.
Now with my 100's and CC690, I searched for quite a while but found a used Parasound HCA2003 and couldnt be more happier.


thanks for the reply. I am using a Definitive Technologies Center...and will probably upgrade that to a Paradigm center. I didn't mention it because i am less happy with the stereo performance than the theater performance. I also have def. tech left/rights and unknown surrounds (7.1 setup) However as I was watching a movie yesterday I had the thought to replace the center. I will check out a Parasound Amp. The dealer recommended Ayre amps but I did not want to spend that much., any thoughts on those

If it is the soundstage you want, you have to move up to the Signature S6 or the S8. But there is also a price issue, the S6's depending on the finish will set you back 5k.

What is your budget? If money is an issue than the Studio 60's with a good amp will give you more bang for the buck and the soundstage your looking for.

Is this mostly for music or HT?

Mostly HT but i do like to listen when i have the chance. I am a 2 channel guy at heart I just sold a pair of Dunlavy SC111 due to the WAF was spoiled by the awesome soundstage they offered. (paired with Creek 5350) . But without a higher-end input device its a futile experiment. Most music these days if form HTPC or apple TV...or blu-ray video concerts, which are amazing. I am surprised at the imaging a properly ripped CD played back with the right equipment can offer though, but I am not quite there.

I think if I keep the Sig1s i think I will eventually move them to another channel (side or rear) and upgrade to a higher sig series (s6 or s8). If i had not bought the sub, the s6 would be in the budget.

I will try to listen to the studio 60s this week and compare them to the sig2s

I'm not what your budget is or what equipment you're thinking of purchasing 1st but regardless, your l/r fronts should be 1st, then a good matching center channel (or as close as you can get)
I emphasize on matching since HT is your main concern and once you get the front 3 setup properly, side-to-side pans will be seamless and because the center is IMO the most important speaker in a 5.1 setup, I think you'll enjoy it that much more.

I have no experience with Ayre amps and I see that these units are priced not for the faint of heart. My experience is limited to Parasound, Rotel and Anthem.

I'm not sure if you're into buying used but a place like Audigon.com would be a good place to start. Whether you're looking for a 2ch amp or a multi, theres lots out there to choose from.

Hi guy's

Just a quick question. When you ordered your paradigms, how long did it take to get them in?

The reason i am asking is, i ordered a Signature C3 in piano black more than 3 weeks ago and still no show. My Signature S6's arrived in six business days but the C3 is still no show. Is paradigm behind on orders? My dealer was suppose to get back to me but i am still waiting to hear from them. I always owned paradigms and my orders usually came within one to two weeks. I wonder what's up?


thanx,

Hi guy's

Just a quick question. When you ordered your paradigms, how long did it take to get them in?

The reason i am asking is, i ordered a Signature C3 in piano black more than 3 weeks ago and still no show. My Signature S6's arrived in six business days but the C3 is still no show. Is paradigm behind on orders? My dealer was suppose to get back to me but i am still waiting to hear from them. I always owned paradigms and my orders usually came within one to two weeks. I wonder what's up?


thanx,

If it has to come from Canada, it could take weeks (customs, multiple stops). Mine actually got lost in the system, and I ended up having to call PDigm myself, then conference my dealer in, to get them pushed through (they were stalled in NYC somewhere).

If it has to come from Canada, it could take weeks (customs, multiple stops). Mine actually got lost in the system, and I ended up having to call PDigm myself, then conference my dealer in, to get them pushed through (they were stalled in NYC somewhere).

The thing is, i am in Calgary and they are coming from Toronto(both in canada). Shouldn't take more than 10 business days to get them in unless there is a shortage on the piano black signatures. Hopefully they will come in this week. Fingers crossed...

cheers,

Hey fellow Paradigm users,

If you're in Toronto, Audio One having Fall Events Sale 25% off on all Paradigm Reference speakers this Saturday :)

just finished off my monitor v.5 setup with a couple of deals off ebay last week. fronts are monitor 9's, center is a cc-290, and rears are titans, with a velodyne dls sub.

Same as mine except I have a home built sub :)

Hi, I am looking at a couple of choices for my mains, the Studio 60s or the B&W 683s. Not to sure what to go with. Both around the same $$$. I hear both are great speakers however the B&W center to match the 683s some say is not so hot some say and others have no probs. Paradigm centers all seem to have great reviews. Not too sure what to do? Has anyone here had a chance to listen to both mains, if so what did you think???

Rack and Stands.com

Stands and mounts.com

Plenty of alternatives to the Paradigm Stands, but as usual oxtech is right on with his info....

I have the J-Stands for my Signature S4's and they are extremely heavy duty, nice looking, and worth what I paid off Audiogon.

Here is the J-18 at Audiogon... http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?accsrack&1227762850&/Paradigm-J-18C-STand-v.2-J18-S
You can trust the seller... he is a forum member... and I have bought from him before...
I have a Millenia 20 center channel that I am relocating from the family room system to the basement system. Do any Millenia 20 owners have their speaker on a stand? If so, is it the J18C or something else?

Thanks in advance.

Anyone use the in-wall/ceiling AMS-300's? I'm thinking of getting 2 for my bedroom, and was wondering how full they sound? Will I need a sub? Will they sound better than my TV speaker?

I have been pining over a new system and pending a listen to some B&W equip. I will be going with Paradigm. I initially intended on getting an "all in one" 5.1 setup and quickly realized that I would never be truly happy with one of those systems. So here I am... I started listening to the Atoms, but going from even Sony Towers, I missed that depth that the smaller speakers lack. Keeping my budget of $1000 in mind I have totally been disappointed so I have wayyy surpassed it and I will be buying in pieces rather than the whole shebang at once.

I will be buying the Monitor 9's and a CC-190 to start with. My question to you all; is the CC-190 well matched to the 9's or do I really need to step up to the 290? Its quite a price hike so I would like to stick to the 190 if it works. I was not able to audition the 190 only the 290.

Also, those of you who have been using the PDR Series Subs, have you been happy with it? I am curious if the 8" is enough with the towers or if I need to step up to the 10". I am trying to not go too far over my budget, but as you all know... easier said than done.

I will be going with either Cinema 70's or Cinema 90's for rears.

One more question... Does anyone have their speakers in Cherry? Do you like it? Any pictures you could post? I spoke with my dealer and unfortunately he told me that if I ordered them in Cherry I would be stuck with them if I wasn't happy with the color, but they look pretty snazzy in the Paradigm literature.

Keeping my budget of $1000 in mind I have totally been disappointed so I have wayyy surpassed it and I will be buying in pieces rather than the whole shebang at once.

jzh797,

Buying as you can afford it is preferable to getting a sub-par system all at once. However, I think you're on a bit of a wrong track with what you've picked out. The system you've decided on is out of balance. I'll give you my honest feelings on what I think will work much better:

My question to you all; is the CC-190 well matched to the 9's or do I really need to step up to the 290? Its quite a price hike so I would like to stick to the 190 if it works. I was not able to audition the 190 only the 290.

Paradigm recommends the 390 with the 9's. I think the 190, with 2x 5" drivers won't be a good match. Many people can't accomodate the largest Paradigm centers, such as the 390, but the 2x 6.5" drivers in the 290 should be a perfect match to the 9's. The center is arguably the most important speaker for HT, don't skimp on it.

Also, those of you who have been using the PDR Series Subs, have you been happy with it? I am curious if the 8" is enough with the towers or if I need to step up to the 10". I am trying to not go too far over my budget, but as you all know... easier said than done.

The PDR-8, Paradigm's smallest, least powerful sub would be absolutley pointless paired with the 9's; it hardly warrants being called a subwoofer, IMO. and I think the 10" PDR is still anemic compared to the rest of the system and what's required for a good home theater. The minimum Paradigm sub I'd recommend would be the DSP series; the DSP-3200 is what Paradigm recommends to go with the 9's. However, IMO, your sub budget would be much better spent on an internet direct sub; you'll get much better bang for your buck looking beyond Paradigm. The sub forum can give you plenty of recommendations, but brands like Hsu, SVS, Outlaw, ed... should be considered.

If budget is a big constraint, I feel you would do much better with Minis or Titans instead of the 9s and spend the extra money on the 290 center and a really good subwoofer. Trust me, properly set-up with a good sub, such a system will absolutely not "lack depth". Unless this is primarily for strict 2 channel music, this would be far better than the 9s with a 190 center and wimpy sub.

I will be going with either Cinema 70's or Cinema 90's for rears.

I don't think this is the best choice either. The Cinemas are acoustically compromised with small/thin plastic enclosures. For direct radiating surrounds, Atoms would be better, and for a dispersive surround, the ADPs work well. Either of these would be a better choice, IMHO. Since exact timbre matching of surrounds isn't as critical, you could look for used, older surround speakers. Some v3 or v4 Monitor series surrounds, in good shape, would be a much better match than new Cinemas.

Hope this helps...

jzh797,


Paradigm recommends the 390 with the 9's. I think the 190, with 2x 5" drivers won't be a good match. Many people can't accomodate the largest Paradigm centers, such as the 390, but the 2x 6.5" drivers in the 290 should be a perfect match to the 9's. The center is arguably the most important speaker for HT, don't skimp on it.




I have to echo those comments. I have the 9's as my front speakers and I even find the 290 weak. I am planning on getting the 390 to match the 9's. I auditioned the 7's and 9's originally and the sound difference I found to be enough to get me to get the 9's. I've been running the cc290 for almost 12 months now and it just does not have the same power to match the 9's. I have to use my center channel much higher the FL and FR to accommodate using a Harman Kardon avr-635

just my 2c :) the best judge is your ears.

I have the 290 with the Titans and they are a wonderful match. At first I thought the 290 was overing powering the Titans but after setting it up with the spl meter they sound good. I now have atoms for the rear and they sounds good. You should be able to find these on Audiogon and ebay for a very good price to help save money. If I was going to do it all over again, I probaly would do a lil at a time and get something in the Studio line up(20's-40's). I haven't heard that line but I cant keep thinking about what if i had of waited and go something a lil higher. But the monitor line still sounds good.

Thank you everyone for your replies so far. Please keep them coming!

Does anyone own a Signature Reference Sub 25 with the perfect bass kit that can comment on its performance?

Thanks,
s

I'm considering a switch from my Def Tech bipolar fronts to the Studio 60s or 100s.

There looks to be only one dealer in my state. Anyone know of any online retailers that sell Paradigm?

I have checked audiogon, ebay, and craigslist and found limited availability.

I had the 190 and traded up to a 290, I haven't gotten my monitor 9's yet but there is a big difference. Well worth it.

BTW i'm running a Denon 4806 (8ga wiring)

I have to take a moment here to say what a pleasure it is to be the owner of a Paradigm Studio based home theater system. I've owned my Studio 20's and 590 now for about 4 months. They have been exceptional speakers. Tonight everything is clicking into place. The system is calibrated to perfection for my room. I'm watching a movie with a high bit rate DTS soundtrack and things sound absolutely incredible. Dialog is crisp and clear without being fatiguing. The music score sounds great. Even my new eD sub amp is rocking and the bass is as clean and powerful as ever. This is why I got into Home Theater. I'm enjoying myself so much I just had to share. Hope your evening is going as well as mine. FYI I'm watching The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers extended edition.

I'm considering a switch from my Def Tech bipolar fronts to the Studio 60s or 100s.

There looks to be only one dealer in my state. Anyone know of any online retailers that sell Paradigm?

I have checked audiogon, ebay, and craigslist and found limited availability.

bump

I'm considering a switch from my Def Tech bipolar fronts to the Studio 60s or 100s.

There looks to be only one dealer in my state. Anyone know of any online retailers that sell Paradigm?

I have checked audiogon, ebay, and craigslist and found limited availability. You're probably getting no replies because Paradigm doesn't authorize online dealers. You'll probably just have to keep doing what you are doing, Google until you luck into something.

You're probably getting no replies because Paradigm doesn't authorize online dealers. You'll probably just have to keep doing what you are doing, Google until you luck into something.

Thanks. Looks like I'll have to make a 2 hour drive at some point.

Thanks. Looks like I'll have to make a 2 hour drive at some point.


They are worth the drive.... I Made the same 2 hour trek to go listen to some Paradigm Sig S6's and S8's .v2 and they were well worth my time to audition. I did an overnight in Madison, and enjoyed a nice dinner out and did some shopping and sight seeing... all in all it was a well planned out venture...

After that, Audiogon has some 100's and a 690 for a very good price, the studio line is slated for a change to real wood finish in the .v5 after the first of the year, they are not changing the drivers from what I can tell, so they will likely sound almost exactly the same, but that should offer you some leverage on this model as far as pricing goes, if that interests you...

For those interested I have a pair of Studio 20 v4 black finish on sale in the classifieds. Because of mounting constraints I am forced to sell them.
I was intent on building a studio HT system with the paradigm studio 100s, c690 and the studio 20s for surrounds. Now i need to settle for the ADP-590s for side and rear surrounds.

I have to take a moment here to say what a pleasure it is to be the owner of a Paradigm Studio based home theater system. I've owned my Studio 20's and 590 now for about 4 months. They have been exceptional speakers. Tonight everything is clicking into place. The system is calibrated to perfection for my room. I'm watching a movie with a high bit rate DTS soundtrack and things sound absolutely incredible. Dialog is crisp and clear without being fatiguing. The music score sounds great. Even my new eD sub amp is rocking and the bass is as clean and powerful as ever. This is why I got into Home Theater. I'm enjoying myself so much I just had to share. Hope your evening is going as well as mine. FYI I'm watching The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers extended edition.

Congrats on your setup. In the end enjoying our systems is what this hobby is really all about.

Does anyone have the "rubber spikes" that come with any of the Studio series. You normally get a pair of regular "pointy" spikes and then a pair of rubber tipped spikes. I have the Studio 100's and the CC-690 (the MONSTER) and I can't find the rubber spikes that came with them. I need them because I don't want to hurt my salamander cabinet that it sits in.....

Thanks,

Mark

You're probably getting no replies because Paradigm doesn't authorize online dealers. You'll probably just have to keep doing what you are doing, Google until you luck into something.

You can buy Paradigm online from an authorized dealer! I purchased a millenia 20 from 6ave.com at 40% off sticker. I have a friend who works at my local paradigm dealer. I ask him for advice on the purchase and he said paradigm has never done this before. He thinks that the warranty would only be good though 6ave, so I would have to ship to it if I had a problem. Well, I have it now and love it, can't beat that price. I have notice now that they now have the Paradigm monitor v5 series for sale also. Not all are at discount, but no tax and free shipping isn't bad. They have the titan v5 in cherry for about 35% off retail, wish they had some studio or millenia adp.

Btw- I need rubber feet for my studio 100s, I'm going to ask my friend and will get back to you. if i can get extra I will sell them to you.:D

You can buy Paradigm online from an authorized dealer! I purchased a millenia 20 from 6ave.com at 40% off sticker... Yeah, I just discovered them about five minutes ago. First one I've seen. They list only a few models on their website, though, but I wouldn't be surprised to find you could buy others if you called them.

Gentlemen,

Can anyone comment on how a pair of used Studio 60 V3's would compare to pair of new Monitor 7 or 9 V6's. I will more than likely be running a pio 1018. Night and day? Comparable in a mid grade system?

Thanks

Gentlemen,

Can anyone comment on how a pair of used Studio 60 V3's would compare to pair of new Monitor 7 or 9 V6's. I will more than likely be running a pio 1018. Night and day? Comparable in a mid grade system?

Thanks

It would blow them away!!! I have a pair of studio 100 v3 and my buddy has monitor 9 v5 (same as v6). The monitor 9's are wonderful speakers don't get me wrong they have great midrange clarity and slam, but the studio series just have that clarity that makes you believe your in the room with the musicians/action.

You also have to think about build quaility those monitor 9's total weight is 88 pounds per pair, while the studio 60's come in at 140 per pair. Now thats an unfair fight.

LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT CENTER CHANNEL SPEAKER>>>>>>>>
I'm looking at the CC-470 (last years version) and the CC-290 v.5 or v.6

Currently I own a CC-450 and find vocals hard to make out at times. I was told two different stories from two diff. dealers. The first dealer told me that the 470 will match better and is an overall better center speaker. The 2nd dealer told me that the CC-290 is a different design and "if you have a hard time with making out voices on your cc-450, then the 290 will shine more in the highs, while giving up some midrange".....what would you guys recommend with my Studio 60ies v.1??? Thanks in advance!
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You can buy Paradigm online from an authorized dealer! I purchased a millenia 20 from 6ave.com at 40% off sticker.
Just because you CAN doesn't mean that Paradigm allows it. They don't. As the original poster said, paradigm doesn't authorize online dealers. 6ave.com has a brick and mortar store. So while they may be allowed to accept orders online, they (according to Paradigm's dealer agreement) can't ship to anyone outside of their sales region.

Kal

Just because you CAN doesn't mean that Paradigm allows it. They don't. As the original poster said, paradigm doesn't authorize online dealers. 6ave.com has a brick and mortar store. So while they may be allowed to accept orders online, they (according to Paradigm's dealer agreement) can't ship to anyone outside of their sales region.

Kal

What does that matter? They are shipping these speakers!

Even if they are not warrantied, doesn't mean they aren't good speakers, if there is a problem with them, you can always have them repaired, which won't cost all that much to replace driver, which is truly the only thing that goes wrong with speaker.

I personally think its worth the savings.... not every one feels the same as I do, but I prefer to buy used and let someone else take the hit on the Retail price... Audiogon is your friend as well...

Hello,

My current setup is as follows:

F: Paradigm Studio 40 v.3
C: Paradigm Studio CC-470 v.3
S: ADP-470 v.3
Yamaha RX-V1700
PS3


I'm moving into my new house next month and I'm trying to get some ideas for wall mounting the ADPs. My room is aprox 13 feet by 15 feet (9' ceiling). The primary listening position is on the back wall (13' wall). I've read that the ADPs should be mounted ~2 feet above ear level on the back wall in a 5.1 setup. Is this correct? I was thinking of mounting them on the side walls directly to the left and right of the primary listening position. Am I doing myself a disservice by doing this with a 5.1 setup?

Also, do you guys recomend flush mounting them to the wall using the suplied hardware or to use an aftermarket speaker wall mount?

Thanks in advance :)

Even if they are not warrantied, doesn't mean they aren't good speakers, if there is a problem with them, you can always have them repaired, which won't cost all that much to replace driver, which is truly the only thing that goes wrong with speaker.

I personally think its worth the savings.... not every one feels the same as I do, but I prefer to buy used and let someone else take the hit on the Retail price... Audiogon is your friend as well...

+1. Between Audiogon, E-bay and Craiglist and some patience, you can put together a good system for 50% off MSRP.

I've read that the ADPs should be mounted ~2 feet above ear level on the back wall in a 5.1 setup. Is this correct?


You should mount them above your head and I think that movie theaters only have speakers on the side wall the back wall. Check the thx website to see there placement recommendations, also check your manual!

movie theaters don't have speakers on the back wall...sorry didn't put don't in the other post.

What does that matter? They are shipping these speakers!
What do you mean "what does it matter"? Per the Paradigm dealer agreement, a dealer is not allowed to ship speakers to people outside of their sales region. You as a customer are allowed to drive anywhere in the country to pay for and pick up speakers in person, but you cannot call a store 2000 miles away and pay for & ask them to ship the Paradigm speakers to you. They are not allowed to do that per the Paradigm dealer agreement that is put in place to protect their dealers. The last thing a dealer wants is someone spending time in their store to listen to speakers and then going online to order them for $50 less from a place without a showroom so their prices are lower.

Agree or disagree with it, it doesn't matter. I'm not taking sides. I'm just stating the rules that Paradigm has laid out (like so many other manufacturers). The store that is doing this and shipping Paradigm speakers anywhere is risking losing their dealer licence if someone (like another dealer) complains to Paradigm. It happened to a store around here. Paradigm will no longer sell to them as they were shipping/delivering outside of their sales region.

Kal

What does that matter? They are shipping these speakers!

Here, read this from my dealer.

*We are authorized to sell Paradigm® and Paradigm® Reference in our local market only. If you are within our local area, please call us for information. If you are outside our area, please visit the official Paradigm web site for the name of your nearest dealer.

I've read that the ADPs should be mounted ~2 feet above ear level on the back wall in a 5.1 setup. Is this correct? I was thinking of mounting them on the side walls directly to the left and right of the primary listening position. Am I doing myself a disservice by doing this with a 5.1 setup?

No, the back wall is not correct, but 2-3 feet above your head is preferred. You should mount them on the side walls, even with the listening position, a few feet over your head.

Also, do you guys recomend flush mounting them to the wall using the suplied hardware or to use an aftermarket speaker wall mount?

Yes, mine are flush mounted, but since I bought them used I'm not familiar with the supplied hardware, and had to come up with my own. Don't bother with an aftermarket speaker mount, a trip to the hardware store for a few key-hole mounts and hollow wall anchors is all it takes. Mine are still on the wall after yesterday's (very minor) earthquake.:D

As the previous poster stated, save your money and flushmount. My Sig ADP's came with mounting hardware:

(Grills removed)
http://www.curtpalme.com/kal/Kal_HT2008_9_resize.jpg

Kal

movie theaters don't have speakers on the back wall...sorry didn't put don't in the other post.

Have you been to a movie theater in the past decade? Any modern theater certainly does have surrounds on the back wall!

Thank you for the replies everyone.

No, the back wall is not correct, but 2-3 feet above your head is preferred. You should mount them on the side walls, even with the listening position, a few feet over your head.



Yes, mine are flush mounted, but since I bought them used I'm not familiar with the supplied hardware, and had to come up with my own. Don't bother with an aftermarket speaker mount, a trip to the hardware store for a few key-hole mounts and hollow wall anchors is all it takes. Mine are still on the wall after yesterday's (very minor) earthquake.:D

Paradigm recommends ADPs to be mounted 6-9 feet high.

Hey guys,
I need to know if the center speaker CC-450 (which I have), is older than the "studio CC" center speaker and if it better matches the Studio 60's V.1. Thanks in advance,

I'm considering an amp that is rated at 200W/ch all channels driven. But it outputs 275W/ch in stereo. I have Studio 60 fronts and ADPs and these are rated at 150W MAX.

Will I cause damage to my speakers with the above amp? Or will I just have to make sure that I don't turn the volume knob too high? I'm worried about when my daughter's friends are over in my absence and rock out the place.. blowing the speakers!

Thanks for any insight on this.
~hemster

I'm considering an amp that is rated at 200W/ch all channels driven. But it outputs 275W/ch in stereo. I have Studio 60 fronts and ADPs and these are rated at 150W MAX.

Will I cause damage to my speakers with the above amp? Or will I just have to make sure that I don't turn the volume knob too high? I'm worried about when my daughter's friends are over in my absence and rock out the place.. blowing the speakers!
No, you can connect as powerful of an amp as you want to a speaker. Just don't turn the volume up too high. To prevent blowing them, turn down the gain on the amp so it will only deliver a desired maximum level.

To do this, follow these steps:
1. Connect everything up (speakers to amp, and amp to preouts on receiver/preamp)
2. Turn gain on amp all the way down
3. Turn volume on receiver/preamp all the way up
4. Turn gain up until you hit the max SPL/volume level you'd ever want the speakers to go
5. Turn the volume back down
6. Lock up the amp so they can't adjust gain (if they know how) :)

Using a more powerful amp provides more headroom, and thus won't "clip", and distort the sound.

It's between the Studio CC v.2 and the CC-470 v.3. I am now auditioning the 470 and MOSTLY like it over my current CC-450 for music and especially movies, but should I buy a used "Studio CC v.2" instead?

Studio CC v.2 used price is $300 plus shipping
Studio CC-470 v.3 NEW price is $400 plus tax

PLEASE HELP!!!

Currently own the Studio 60's v.1 and 20's for the rear/sides.....

Thx for quick feedback, I'll stick with my stock v5 Monitor 9's / CC-390 and give up any upgrade path to v6 for it's "improved" crossover circuit.

I am satisfied with them as is.
You know how it is, you buy something, love it, then a small internal part of it is "tweaked" in the next minor product cycle rev, and you think hmmmmm I wonder if I can upgrade to the next rev myself.
(just doing my part as a consumer to keep this economy moving)

A couple of points, Paradigm in its Monitor .V5 series improved how the Grill covers now are attached.

Paradigm as a company has no internal structure for revamping, retail product "in production" upgrades/retools.

If your product is defective or so you believe, it can be returned to "P" and at their discretion repair, modify it or replace it for free. They WILL NOT convert your model .v4 to a .V5 nor are they able based on the technical design issues between models.

Unlike many companies, "P" does not maintain a "B" stock inventory, defective parts are trashed, the remaining operating parts are used to backfill repaired units or returned to a 5 year inventory warehouse. In fact their inventory methodology is amazing. They stop producing (building) models 1 year before introducing their replacements. Ergo, no excess inventory.

Any dealer who claims otherwise, doesn't know Paradigm, is lying or trying to impress you. A call to Gary Takada (customer service manager) at Paradigm will answer any questions you may have.

Good luck;)

My dealer response:
Mike,

Sorry it's taken a little while to get back to you. I've been very busy and I forgot about this for a little while.

Here is the rundown. The crossovers for the Monitor9s are $80.00 ea, the CC-390 is $70.00 and the ADP-390s are $80.00 ea. With shipping that will be around $600.00. If it were me, I wouldn't do it. The improvements are not big enough to justify that kind of money. You could do more good with it elsewhere.

That said, if you want to do it, just let me know. I'd need to get at least half of it down to order them.

Also, if you would want me to install them (which I can do) there would be some labor to add as well.


I told him $600 was too much, if $200-$250 with “core return” of old ones I’d probably do it.

Bottom line, staying with v5.

So after auditioning speakers I am going to purchase a pair of Mini Monitors and the CC190 center channel. I want to put some in ceiling surrounds in the back for a 5.1 setup.
I looked at the CS-60Rs, but they weren't enclosed. I don't really want to enclose them myself, or do they even need to be enclosed??

Can anyone recommend some in ceilings for this setup?

Thanks

The sound of the signature series is phenomenal. Detailed and Neutral. Compared it to a similar priced sonus faber floorstander. The SF sounded a bit too smooth and non engaging for my taste. B&W's 7 series were non comparable either. Special sense of clarity in the signature series. Check them out if you havn't!

Purchased a pair of signature s6 as mains and s2 as surrounds, however I've inclined to stick to stereo with the s6. Gorgeous birds eye maple color. If any of you are interested in a pair of s2, please do not hesitate to pm me.

KBMAN,

As a past and current owner of Paradigm centers (CC-450, CC, CC-470), I have heard improvements in each subsequent model. Therefore, the CC-470 should be clearer than the previous model (CC). The CC-470 however, will be much better (and probably sound different) than you current version one speakers. In other words, for a mild improvement, get the CC. Beyond that, get new speakers.

Mike Sherman

thanks, abyssblue,
I just bought an AudioGon Paradigm Studio CC V.2 for $300. I'm am going to sell my CC-450 (which is still a nice center) for $200 either on this site or the 'Gons......

No, you can connect as powerful of an amp as you want to a speaker. Just don't turn the volume up too high. To prevent blowing them, turn down the gain on the amp so it will only deliver a desired maximum level.

To do this, follow these steps:
1. Connect everything up (speakers to amp, and amp to preouts on receiver/preamp)
2. Turn gain on amp all the way down
3. Turn volume on receiver/preamp all the way up
4. Turn gain up until you hit the max SPL/volume level you'd ever want the speakers to go
5. Turn the volume back down
6. Lock up the amp so they can't adjust gain (if they know how) :)

Using a more powerful amp provides more headroom, and thus won't "clip", and distort the sound.

Thanks miltimj for your detailed response. I feel better about the amps now. My family doesn't like ear-splitting SPLs but good to know how to limit the gain.

What level of acoustic treatments on a scale of 1-10 (i realize this is subjective) have you guys done to your HT/Game rooms with all paradigms? For some reason I think my CT 110s sounded better with out any room treatments than with. Im about upgrade the front 3, LCR, and wanted to prepare the room for better sound. Im hoping i can talk the local guy here into letting me do any in home test.

Thanks miltimj for your detailed response. I feel better about the amps now. My family doesn't like ear-splitting SPLs but good to know how to limit the gain.


Hemster, I have tossed 500 wpc @ 8ohms into both my Sig S4's and Studio 100's for an extened period of time, and with the Ice Power amp they double output to 1000wpc at 4ohms, the Studio 100's have been measured to go down to 3 - 4 ohms. I have never had any issues with either of my speakers feeding them that much power, you can never have enough.....

What level of acoustic treatments on a scale of 1-10 (i realize this is subjective) have you guys done to your HT/Game rooms with all paradigms? For some reason I think my CT 110s sounded better with out any room treatments than with. Im about upgrade the front 3, LCR, and wanted to prepare the room for better sound. Im hoping i can talk the local guy here into letting me do any in home test.



I would say a 6. I have super chunk bass traps in all four corners, FRP treatments on slide walls and ceiling, front wall treatments, and two 45 degree 2'x4' OC703 on the two side ceiling/wall corners.

Personally, I think it sounds great. Dialog is easy to understand, bass seems pretty tight, and not much slap echo.

I would like to beef up the two side wall/ceiling traps and maybe some diffusion on the back wall. But I'd like to get some accurate measurements of the room response before I invest too much more to make sure I'm treating the right problems.

Room is a cozy 10 x 12 x 8. Speakers are S4 v2, C3 v2, and ADP-3s powered by a Denon 3808CI with the feature pack upgrade. Sub is a SVS PB-12 Plus, classic model.

Anyone have a pair of Studio 60's v.1? If you do, pm me......

Hi all,

Maybe some of you can help me with a question...

I have a pretty good set up (nothing as fancy as some of you though). I'm trying to decide if a multi-channel amplifier would be a worthwhile investment for my set up.

Here's what I have now:

Front Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7v4
Surround Speakers: Paradigm ADP 370
Center Speaker: CC 370
Sub: PDR12 (150 watt)
Receiver: Pioneer Elite 56txi (will probably be replacing with the Pioneer SC-05)
TV: Pioneer 5020
Blu Ray: PS3
CD/SACD/DVD-A: Pioneer Elite 48DV

My room is about 14' long by 12' wide - drop ceiling, wall to wall carpet. My use is about 80% movies and 20% music.

If you think an amp is worth it, can you recommend one that is reasonably priced?

Thanks all.

Hi all,

Maybe some of you can help me with a question...

I have a pretty good set up (nothing as fancy as some of you though). I'm trying to decide if a multi-channel amplifier would be a worthwhile investment for my set up.

Here's what I have now:

Front Speakers: Paradigm Monitor 7v4
Surround Speakers: Paradigm ADP 370
Center Speaker: CC 370
Sub: PDR12 (150 watt)
Receiver: Pioneer Elite 56txi (will probably be replacing with the Pioneer SC-05)
TV: Pioneer 5020
Blu Ray: PS3
CD/SACD/DVD-A: Pioneer Elite 48DV

My room is about 14' long by 12' wide - drop ceiling, wall to wall carpet. My use is about 80% movies and 20% music.

If you think an amp is worth it, can you recommend one that is reasonably priced?

Thanks all.
The amp in the 56 was a serious rec amp to notice a difference you would
need to look at something in the neighborhood of 250w a ch those don't come cheap.

What level of acoustic treatments on a scale of 1-10 (i realize this is subjective) have you guys done to your HT/Game rooms with all paradigms? For some reason I think my CT 110s sounded better with out any room treatments than with. Im about upgrade the front 3, LCR, and wanted to prepare the room for better sound. Im hoping i can talk the local guy here into letting me do any in home test.

I'd say an 8 or 9 for my room (see pics earlier in this thread). You really want to deaden the first reflection points on the walls (and optionally ceiling), the front wall, and either deaden the rear wall first reflection points (if close to the seats) or disperse it (if far from the seats).

You also want to put some sort of bass traps in to as many corners as possible.

Check out audioholics.com, as they seem to have a much better community around acoustic treatments than the threads on AVS (not sure why, as AVS is great for so much, just not acoustics or home automation).

Anyone use the in-wall/ceiling AMS-300's? I'm thinking of getting 2 for my bedroom, and was wondering how full they sound? Will I need a sub? Will they sound better than my TV speaker?

In case anyone is curious, I'm picking up a pair tomorrow and will post how they sound. Just sticking in a bedroom to see if I like them for all my secondary rooms (I'm rewiring my house again - centralizing everything and adding amplification to every room).

hello all

i finally hooked up a pair of monster bi-wire cables and "OMG." :eek:
i guess being "economical" i thought wire was wire until now. my paradigm studio 100 v2 are singing now. for those who don't believe, stop by if you're in the area 19426 collegeville pa.

Hey Everyone:

I was just about to mount my AD590's as my side surrounds and I have the brackets, but there were no screws included in the box. Should I just contact my dealer or can I get these type of screws at Home Depot or Lowes?

Can anyone who knows or owns these surrounds give me an idea of an equivalent screw I can purchase asap? Thanks!!

donaldsonjune:

Can you be more specific on the Monster Bi-Wire cable you are using? I don't know much about the Monster cables but willing to give them a try if you're having good success with them. Thanks!!

donaldsonjune:

Can you be more specific on the Monster Bi-Wire cable you are using? I don't know much about the Monster cables but willing to give them a try if you're having good success with them. Thanks!!

To be honest you'll probably get a better bang for your buck with this.
Canare 4S11 Cable
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

Monster is usually way overpriced. Bluejeans will at least give you you're money's worth.

I would say a 6. I have super chunk bass traps in all four corners, FRP treatments on slide walls and ceiling, front wall treatments, and two 45 degree 2'x4' OC703 on the two side ceiling/wall corners.

Personally, I think it sounds great. Dialog is easy to understand, bass seems pretty tight, and not much slap echo.

I would like to beef up the two side wall/ceiling traps and maybe some diffusion on the back wall. But I'd like to get some accurate measurements of the room response before I invest too much more to make sure I'm treating the right problems.

Room is a cozy 10 x 12 x 8. Speakers are S4 v2, C3 v2, and ADP-3s powered by a Denon 3808CI with the feature pack upgrade. Sub is a SVS PB-12 Plus, classic model.

Got any pics? I have the same size room and I am deciding what to get for treatments. I need to atleast do something for FRP. I've been slacking when it came to this room. I have 2 bookshelves in the back with my back speakers slightly above ear level, and a couple ADP's on the side walls several feet above ear level. The chairs in the pic are now about a foot further back, and the left/right otto's are no longer there. The left/right chairs are basically there for looks and the rare occasion of this room being used with friends over, as I know left/right positioning based on speakers is far from optimal, but only the center seat is of concern. Originally it was gonna be 5.1, but then I decided to get the 7 v6's, and put my Atoms in the back. Although this room is technically wayy too small for 7.1, I do like the added channels on some source material.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb246/gunbunnysoulja/JEFF019.jpg?t=1223686066

hello all

i finally hooked up a pair of monster bi-wire cables and "OMG." :eek:
i guess being "economical" i thought wire was wire until now. my paradigm studio 100 v2 are singing now. for those who don't believe, stop by if you're in the area 19426 collegeville pa.

Not to burst your bubble, but:

1) Speaker wire is speaker wire, assuming it's of the same gauge (14 AWG is about all you'll ever need).

2) Bi-wiring is completely useless. All it does is increase the effective gauge of the wire.

So unless you had something like 18 or 20 AWG before, or your run is over 20 feet, you won't hear anything different.

You could buy 12AWG from monoprice, for a fraction of the price, and likely have better speaker wire than you have now:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10239

Monster is a complete waste of money.

(I'm being brutally direct to hopefully save you money in the future.)

To be honest you'll probably get a better bang for your buck with this.
Canare 4S11 Cable
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

Monster is usually way overpriced. Bluejeans will at least give you you're money's worth.

Bluejeans is also often overpriced, although a much better value than Monster. Bluejeans can be useful for analog interconnects.

But speaker wire is just speaker wire. Buy 12AWG from Monoprice.com and you'll have the best speaker wire available.

Got any pics? I have the same size room and I am deciding what to get for treatments. I need to atleast do something for FRP. I've been slacking when it came to this room. I have 2 bookshelves in the back with my back speakers slightly above ear level, and a couple ADP's on the side walls several feet above ear level. The chairs in the pic are now about a foot further back, and the left/right otto's are no longer there. The left/right chairs are basically there for looks and the rare occasion of this room being used with friends over, as I know left/right positioning based on speakers is far from optimal, but only the center seat is of concern. Originally it was gonna be 5.1, but then I decided to get the 7 v6's, and put my Atoms in the back. Although this room is technically wayy too small for 7.1, I do like the added channels on some source material.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb246/gunbunnysoulja/JEFF019.jpg?t=1223686066
I bet the artillery and mortar sound close to real in that room.

donaldsonjune:

Can you be more specific on the Monster Bi-Wire cable you are using? I don't know much about the Monster cables but willing to give them a try if you're having good success with them. Thanks!!

Jimmy, I believe he is referring to some specail cables that greatly improve sound. Each cable contains three wires. Each wire is designed to transport only a given frequency range. One each for bass, mids and treble. Since each wire is only capable of transporting a designated frequency there is no bleed over into the other wires. You will definitely hear a sound improvement-----if you think you can.
Just think of them as improving your audio experience like Bose does.

Not to burst your bubble, but:

1) Speaker wire is speaker wire, assuming it's of the same gauge (14 AWG is about all you'll ever need).

2) Bi-wiring is completely useless. All it does is increase the effective gauge of the wire.

So unless you had something like 18 or 20 AWG before, or your run is over 20 feet, you won't hear anything different.

You could buy 12AWG from monoprice, for a fraction of the price, and likely have better speaker wire than you have now:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10239

Monster is a complete waste of money.

(I'm being brutally direct to hopefully save you money in the future.)


Sorry I just want to say I disagree that all same guage wire sound the same. I use Audioquest and there is definitely a difference between cheap wire and good wire. Some wire is way overpriced so try a few different companies.

I suggest people go try it. Most dealers have demo cables they will loan out. If you dont hear a difference great but on a good system I think you will.
just my opinion. To stay on thread I have Paradigm S-4 speakers and love them. Upgraded from studio 60s Mike

Sorry I just want to say I disagree that all same guage wire sound the same. I use Audioquest and there is definitely a difference between cheap wire and good wire. Some wire is way overpriced so try a few different companies.

I suggest people go try it. Most dealers have demo cables they will loan out. If you dont hear a difference great but on a good system I think you will.
just my opinion. To stay on thread I have Paradigm S-4 speakers and love them. Upgraded from studio 60s Mike

Could you explain the characteristics that were improved upon?

I bet the artillery and mortar sound close to real in that room.

lol. Wait until I add a 18" Mal-X with dual PR's and another EP2500 behind the listening position.

movie theaters don't have speakers on the back wall...sorry didn't put don't in the other post.

I was at the movies two nights ago and specifically checked because of this post and the fact that I remember them being there. Thought I maybe saw something that looked like a speaker but wasn't... sure enough when I looked the same speakers on the side walls were lined up through the back of the theater also.

Jimmy, I believe he is referring to some specail cables that greatly improve sound. Each cable contains three wires. Each wire is designed to transport only a given frequency range. One each for bass, mids and treble. Since each wire is only capable of transporting a designated frequency there is no bleed over into the other wires. You will definitely hear a sound improvement-----if you think you can.
Just think of them as improving your audio experience like Bose does.

Is that for real? I mean, do they really claim that? Please post a link, as that's some of the best material I've seen yet.

Is that for real? I mean, do they really claim that? Please post a link, as that's some of the best material I've seen yet.

I'm pretty sure it was a sarcastic joke. :)


If not, I'm lost.

lol. Wait until I add a 18" Mal-X with dual PR's and another EP2500 behind the listening position.


Nice.... I got a couple of Mal-X's on the way as well... Boxes are already built.... http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/speakers/IMG_0152.jpg
got 3 - 15" TC2000's to go along with them...

How are the sealed mal-x's? What subs are you coming from?

I'm hoping they are as tight and clean as the TC-2000's

Jimmy, I believe he is referring to some specail cables that greatly improve sound. Each cable contains three wires. Each wire is designed to transport only a given frequency range. One each for bass, mids and treble. Since each wire is only capable of transporting a designated frequency there is no bleed over into the other wires. You will definitely hear a sound improvement-----if you think you can.
Just think of them as improving your audio experience like Bose does.


HAHAHHAHAHAH I almost wet my pants on that one... :)

Good one HTMAN... :D

Sorry I just want to say I disagree that all same guage wire sound the same. I use Audioquest and there is definitely a difference between cheap wire and good wire. Some wire is way overpriced so try a few different companies.

I suggest people go try it. Most dealers have demo cables they will loan out. If you dont hear a difference great but on a good system I think you will.
just my opinion. To stay on thread I have Paradigm S-4 speakers and love them. Upgraded from studio 60s Mike

Then Monster and all the other overpriced cable folks thank you.

There's zero difference. Electricity is the same, no matter what cable it's going over. As long as the gauge is big enough to handle the load and distance, it's identical. (And all copper cable is "oxygen-free" nowadays, so don't get fooled by that.)

14 or 12AWG speaker cable from anyone will sound exactly the same, and is more than big enough to handle any load in any theater. No bi-wiring or any other nonsense.

This is a speaker thread, so I think this is sort of on-topic.

Then Monster and all the other overpriced cable folks thank you.

There's zero difference. Electricity is the same, no matter what cable it's going over. As long as the gauge is big enough to handle the load and distance, it's identical. (And all copper cable is "oxygen-free" nowadays, so don't get fooled by that.)

14 or 12AWG speaker cable from anyone will sound exactly the same, and is more than big enough to handle any load in any theater. No bi-wiring or any other nonsense.

This is a speaker thread, so I think this is sort of on-topic.

Agreed! As well as your posts above. The only reason I usually recommend blue jeans is cause there not out there using snake-oil terms and trying to make you believe their cables have some sort of mystical powers. It's been proven over and over again that gauge / distance ratio is all that needs to be accounted for and there is no difference in sound quality as long as you are within the range for your gauge. I usually follow a chart like this.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

Agreed! As well as your posts above. The only reason I usually recommend blue jeans is cause there not out there using snake-oil terms and trying to make you believe their cables have some sort of mystical powers. It's been proven over and over again that gauge / distance ratio is all that needs to be accounted for and there is no difference in sound quality as long as you are within the range for your gauge. I usually follow a chart like this.

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

That's a great page!

I loved this part at the end:
We have been told by advertising that the exotic speaker wires offer fabulous advantages over ordinary lamp cord. It would seem reasonable that using this same wire for lamps would also enhance their performance. In the same vein as wire literature, you can have your lamp reproduce light with the full spectrum color fidelity of natural daylight, finally allowing you see light the way it should be seen and bring out the natural performance of your lamp. It could offer greater warmth, detail, brilliance, definition and speed by providing wider bandwidth and reduced skin effect. It can provide a distortion free illumination that reduces eye strain, resulting in clearer vision and optimal color perception. It can allow you to work for longer periods of time with less visual distraction or fatigue. Just imagine what it might do for your electric razor or microwave, etc.!

Nice.... I got a couple of Mal-X's on the way as well... Boxes are already built.... http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/speakers/IMG_0152.jpg
got 3 - 15" TC2000's to go along with them...

How are the sealed mal-x's? What subs are you coming from?

I'm hoping they are as tight and clean as the TC-2000's

The ones I have now are Tempest-X's, 24" cube, 6.5cf internal (Neo Dan's design).. I came from a Paradigm PDR-8, so it was quite the upgrade.

I am more than satisfied now, but I am curious about the Mal-X, and now that someone here built the Mal-X with dual 18" PR's (Cinema Mad), I was instantly intrigued.

I still need an EQ, and I'm currently deciding on the DCX2496 or DEQ2496.

Where are you going to put those with that tight of space, the Passives have to go on the sides and it looks like that would put them into the walls... ???

Where are you going to put those with that tight of space, the Passives have to go on the sides and it looks like that would put them into the walls... ???

It's going to be on the back wall, centered. The bookshelves will be taken out and the back surrounds will be on stands. The PR's will be opposing each other with the Mal-X front firing towards my center seating location.

http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb246/gunbunnysoulja/JEFF004.jpg?t=1223686160

Then Monster and all the other overpriced cable folks thank you.

There's zero difference. Electricity is the same, no matter what cable it's going over. As long as the gauge is big enough to handle the load and distance, it's identical. (And all copper cable is "oxygen-free" nowadays, so don't get fooled by that.)

14 or 12AWG speaker cable from anyone will sound exactly the same, and is more than big enough to handle any load in any theater. No bi-wiring or any other nonsense.

This is a speaker thread, so I think this is sort of on-topic.

All along I thought that you knew something about audio. Maybe you should try those cables that I referred to a few posts up. Electricity is not the same. The newer homes have more advanced wiring than older ones so the electricty flows more freely and cleanly. Just imagine that special wiring in the home, all audio components and speakers along with cables and inter connects.

You really should read the link that I had in my post. If you could not see it then I doubt you would be able to hear any audible difference with the new cables. :)

Hey Everyone:

I was just about to mount my AD590's as my side surrounds and I have the brackets, but there were no screws included in the box. Should I just contact my dealer or can I get these type of screws at Home Depot or Lowes?

Can anyone who knows or owns these surrounds give me an idea of an equivalent screw I can purchase asap? Thanks!!


Surely someone has the answer for this! I guess I could just take the one screw that was sent with the speakers to Lowes or HD and have them match it?

it's going to be on the back wall, centered. The bookshelves will be taken out and the back surrounds will be on stands. The pr's will be opposing each other with the mal-x front firing towards my center seating location.




:D cool :D

All along I thought that you knew something about audio. Maybe you should try those cables that I referred to a few posts up. Electricity is not the same. The newer homes have more advanced wiring than older ones so the electricty flows more freely and cleanly. Just imagine that special wiring in the home, all audio components and speakers along with cables and inter connects.

You really should read the link that I had in my post. If you could not see it then I doubt you would be able to hear any audible difference with the new cables. :)

Actually if you read my post above you should read the link included. Even big companies like Transparent will not do a blind fold cable test. It's because there is science to support the fact that gauge and length are the only factors that make a difference.

Actually if you read my post above you should read the link included. Even big companies like Transparent will not do a blind fold cable test. It's because there is science to support the fact that gauge and length are the only factors that make a difference.

I certainly hope that you do not think I was being serious with my comments about magic cables. Just trying to relax for the week end.
A few years back I was constantly swapping cables, speakers and electronics. I used some Transparent inter connects and I have to admit that I heard a difference from my Tara's that I was using. The bass became tighter and not as deep. After a few hours I decided that the sound was better as the FR seemed flatter and prior to the Transparents I was getting more bloated bass. Was this a placebo effect? I am not sure. I did return the Transparents as I could not justify their cost for the subtle difference.
Why does Transparent lead us to believe that their cables will improve audio and video yet admit that only length and guage will make a difference? Do the networks on their cables really make a difference?
Some cables are supposedly directional. Is the distance from end A to end B of a cable shorter than from end B to end A?

I certainly hope that you do not think I was being serious with my comments about magic cables. Just trying to relax for the week end.
A few years back I was constantly swapping cables, speakers and electronics. I used some Transparent inter connects and I have to admit that I heard a difference from my Tara's that I was using. The bass became tighter and not as deep. After a few hours I decided that the sound was better as the FR seemed flatter and prior to the Transparents I was getting more bloated bass. Was this a placebo effect? I am not sure. I did return the Transparents as I could not justify their cost for the subtle difference.
Why does Transparent lead us to believe that their cables will improve audio and video yet admit that only length and guage will make a difference? Do the networks on their cables really make a difference?
Some cables are supposedly directional. Is the distance from end A to end B of a cable shorter than from end B to end A?

You're a confusing person. You say you're joking and that magic cables are silly, then you post that you "heard" (completely subjective) a different FR. And then you say electrical cable is directional??? I don't know what you're about...

I any case, whether there's an extremely subtle joking going on that I'm not getting (your first joking post was more direct), I think most people reading this will not get it.

So please, to everyone else, read the link above that does a great job explaining the nonsense of all "premium" speaker cable.

Some cables are supposedly directional. Is the distance from end A to end B of a cable shorter than from end B to end A?[/QUOTE]


I dont know if all companies are the same but I know one that says their cable is directional because of how they attach the ground on one end which could affect hum or ground loops.

Some cables are supposedly directional. Is the distance from end A to end B of a cable shorter than from end B to end A?


I dont know if all companies are the same but I know one that says their cable is directional because of how they attach the ground on one end which could affect hum or ground loops.[/QUOTE]

I would love to know what kind of cable these are. When it comes to any home theater application (speaker wire, analog cables, digital cables) I have not seen a format that the connector for the input and output differ in configuration (other then something like DVI to HDMI and even then they can be used in either direction).

Keep in mind there are hundreds of products manufactured to remove money from
your wallet shop wisely and Google is your friend. Snake Oil is still abundant in the
hi-fi world and around the holidays more so.

Hey everyone... I need to "Ask the Experts" for some advice. I have an older set of Paradigm Studio 40's (not sure what version), purchased them new in 2000. with a matching Center Channel - I used to use some old Infinity Bookshelfs for surround speakers but wanted to go with some "Matching" paradigms for my rear and need to know what would be best.

My listening possition is against the back wall... And I have no viable side walls to mount any of the ADP speakers - and as I have read all over the place, the Dipoles are not always the best options for surround. So I am thinking of maybe going with some standard monopole paradigm speakers - and wall mount them on the back wall pointed toward the listening possition about 95 deg back and 2-3 feet above ear level. Does this sound like good placement? And what speakers would match my front and center best?

I have seen a few Paradigms on ebay... Options: Paradigm Mini Monitors v5, Paradigm Atom Montitors, Cinima Series 70... Would any of these match my fronts well? or should I try and find, or buy new some Studio 20's? I don't want them to be too heavy because I plan to either add a wall mount bracket or put them on a small shelf.

Any advice would be helpful.

Thanks!!!!
Corey

:)Hey everyone... I need to "Ask the Experts" for some advice. I have an older set of Paradigm Studio 40's (not sure what version), purchased them new in 2000. with a matching Center Channel - I used to use some old Infinity Bookshelfs for surround speakers but wanted to go with some "Matching" paradigms for my rear and need to know what would be best.

My listening possition is against the back wall... And I have no viable side walls to mount any of the ADP speakers - and as I have read all over the place, the Dipoles are not always the best options for surround. So I am thinking of maybe going with some standard monopole paradigm speakers - and wall mount them on the back wall pointed toward the listening possition about 95 deg back and 2-3 feet above ear level. Does this sound like good placement? And what speakers would match my front and center best?

I have seen a few Paradigms on ebay... Options: Paradigm Mini Monitors v5, Paradigm Atom Montitors, Cinima Series 70... Would any of these match my fronts well? or should I try and find, or buy new some Studio 20's? I don't want them to be too heavy because I plan to either add a wall mount bracket or put them on a small shelf.

Any advice would be helpful.

Thanks!!!!
Corey

The atoms would be nice. I've recently bought some and they do wonderful for me. But its your choice if you want to match everything else with the 20's.

Anybody having a used pair of ADP 590 v4 speakers in black finish that is looking to sell? Please PM me. I need a pair. I have a black pair of Studio 20 v4 that I am looking to sell and am willing to do a trade.

jimmydean,

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?cablspkr&1231818121&/Monster-M-1.4's-BI-Wire-Speake

keep trying audiogon.com for the same cables monster m1.4 bi-wire speaker cable.

quick request from Paradigm-philes:

I am looking at a cheapish pair of Studio 20's on my local craigslist, which are either V1 or V2. How does one tell the difference between V1 and V2 visually? The owner doesn't know.

Is it just the little curvy part on top of the speaker cabinet on V2's versus flat on top for the V1's? Is there some other visual cue I can use?

thanks!!

Check the label. On my set it shows V4 on the sticker, I can't remember if it was part of the serial number or not but its distinctly noticeable.

Whats the deal with these mounting holes on the Titan v4? I'm at a loss here. I bought a mounting kit from Best Buy and none of the screws seem to fit the holes. Either they don't catch or they don't fit at all. I then figure maybe I have to open the back and attach a nut in the one that fits but doesn't thread only to find out it's plastic and sealed. No hole for the screw to come through. WTF?!?! As much as I love Paradigms this is getting on my nerve.

Is it just the little curvy part on top of the speaker cabinet on V2's versus flat on top for the V1's?

thanks!!

Yes.

Also, I believe V2 front has the Paradigm emblem with the grill off.

V1:
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g297/yettitheman/HT/IMG_0283.jpg

V2:
http://www.cube17576.com/images/Studio_20.JPG

Are you referring to the person who is willing to trade his 20's, this (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200276&CTID=5002100), and this (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200206&CTID=5000600) for a Bose Wave radio? That is mind boggling. I would of been all over this deal the second I saw it.

If so, I'm almost positive the ones in his ad pic are V1 when I zoomed in.

thanks gunbunny, for confirming the "curvy vs flat" thing and also pointing out the difference on the lower front bezel. I figured they were V1 as the label doesn't say anything but "Paradigm Reference" and the tops are flat....

yes, you've got the right guy. it's a fantastic deal, I know, the problem is I don't actually NEED any more speakers! :) and I risk angering my wife of course with the unnecessary purchase...

I might buy them just to listen to them for a while and maybe pass the along to a friend or something... it's so hard to pass up a great speaker bargain! :p

yes, you've got the right guy. it's a fantastic deal, I know, the problem is I don't actually NEED any more speakers! :) and I risk angering my wife of course with the unnecessary purchase...

I might buy them just to listen to them for a while and maybe pass the along to a friend or something... it's so hard to pass up a great speaker bargain! :p

lol... I'm very compulsive and buy just because. It's horrible. I'll never be married because of it :) And if I do get married, I'm sure this hobby will lead me to divorce.

i have a HT 15' wide 22' long 11'celing. i want to know the best 7.1 speaker setup for this room. i will be using a oknyo 876 or 906 receiver. i do not want to get speakers that the 876/906 cant handle.

i have a HT 15' wide 22' long 11'celing. i want to know the best 7.1 speaker setup for this room. i will be using a oknyo 876 or 906 receiver. i do not want to get speakers that the 876/906 cant handle.

budget? TV or AT screen?

I bought a pair of Monitor 9's v6 this past weekend, and should have them by the end of the week(dealer had to order them). I'm excited! I'm using a Yamaha RX-V1600 to drive them.

budget? TV or AT screen?120" x 51.1"/130.4" diagonal screen painted on the wall DIY

budget budget budget

the "best 7.1 speaker" setup could be about 50 grand... ;)

I'm going to order a pair of Studio 100 speakers for my HT. They will be behind an AT screen and I would like to know how close I can put the speakers to the front wall, which is acoustically treated. Will build my screen wall next week.

Thanks,

Randy

I'm going to order a pair of Studio 100 speakers for my HT. They will be behind an AT screen and I would like to know how close I can put the speakers to the front wall, which is acoustically treated. Will build my screen wall next week.

Thanks,

Randy

a good 12" to 18" would be good...

Attention Paradigm Owners,
I'm in the search for a GOOD MATCHING center channel for my reference studio V.1 system, and am currently unhappy with my CC-450 which I've had about 10 years. Is the CC-570 v.3 a good match for v.1 60's? There's one on AudioGon that I might buy, but really what I wanted was another pair of 60's and use one for the center, but they are REALLY hard to find. Would the CC-570 v.3 be a nice upgrade and match fairly well with my speakers??? Many thanks in advance!

batpig,

keep checking http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl

Paradigm all the way!

Front: Monitor 11's
Centre: CC370
Rears: Titans (v5?)
Sub: Seismic 12
Amp: Yamaha RX-V420
TV: Samsung 50" A650 - delivered tomorrow!

At any rate... I've never been thrilled with the amp... I bought it when I only had the Titans... Big difference now that I've got a more complete setup.

I went into a local shop and demo'd an Arcam 350 and Marantz about a year ago - powered by Monitor 11's as luck would have it.

I personally loved the AVR350 and how it livened up the sometimes boomy-sounding Monitor 11's.

The Marantz was a much mellower tone - not as punchy given my movie-addiction.

I ultimately didn't buy a year ago because of the lack of support w/Arcam for HD Audio formats - this hasn't changed 12 months later.

I really want to make a change if a good deal comes up for the end of the year.

I've never been big on the fancy gismos on Denon, Onkyo, Sony, etc.
* I should add I'm still toying with the Arcam AVR350 if I can pair it with a Blu-Ray player that decodes everything I need and has the appropriate audio outputs.

However, I will take all suggestions - please fire away!

Matt

Hey everyone... I need to "Ask the Experts" for some advice. I have an older set of Paradigm Studio 40's (not sure what version), purchased them new in 2000. with a matching Center Channel - I used to use some old Infinity Bookshelfs for surround speakers but wanted to go with some "Matching" paradigms for my rear and need to know what would be best.

My listening possition is against the back wall... And I have no viable side walls to mount any of the ADP speakers - and as I have read all over the place, the Dipoles are not always the best options for surround. So I am thinking of maybe going with some standard monopole paradigm speakers - and wall mount them on the back wall pointed toward the listening possition about 95 deg back and 2-3 feet above ear level. Does this sound like good placement? And what speakers would match my front and center best?

I have seen a few Paradigms on ebay... Options: Paradigm Mini Monitors v5, Paradigm Atom Montitors, Cinima Series 70... Would any of these match my fronts well? or should I try and find, or buy new some Studio 20's? I don't want them to be too heavy because I plan to either add a wall mount bracket or put them on a small shelf.

Any advice would be helpful.

Thanks!!!!
Corey

Was in the same predicament recently w my Studio 60s and Studio CC both V1 was using some missions for rears anyways the current set up is as follows

61" Samsung HL-T6189S
Marantz SR4002
2 -Paradigm Reference Studio 60 mains
1 -Paradigm Reference Studio CC center
2 -Paradigm ADP 350 rear -2 Monitor Atoms surr rear
1 -Energy S10.3 subwoofer
PS3 20gb - HTPC C2D E-6600

Tried the ADP V2's as rears alone and found it lacking - bought the Atoms V5's for the rear surrounds and moved the ADPs to the side as rears and now I'm in the zone... like you my Atoms are right behind my head on end tables so what I did is after running the Audissey or whatever it's called on the Marantz I simply did some manual adjustments to suit my particular needs. This little system kicks some a$$

matt,

i'm a rotel fan. checkout this site for some good deals
http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl

Matt,

I would also consider NAD, their new AVR's are great sounding IMO. They also have great power management.
http://nadelectronics.com/index

budget budget budget

the "best 7.1 speaker" setup could be about 50 grand... ;)5k budget. i dont want to get speakers that the oknyo 876 or 906 cant handle.

5k budget. i dont want to get speakers that the oknyo 876 or 906 cant handle.

The 906 is a very capable receiver of driving most of the Paradigm family
especially if used with a sub and crossed over around 70 or 80 hz the big
deciding factor is what size room and how many db from your chair.

I have a pair of S8's (v2) and I'm trying to decide on an amp to pair with them. I'm currently bi-amping them using a marantz SR7002 and wanted to add a separate 2 channel amp. I'm considering the anthem A2 or possibly the anthem P2, but not sure I need the extra power to drive the S8's. Any opinions on these or recommendations on other manufacturers?

I'd also appreciate any feedback from people that are using any of the statement amps with S8's.

Thanks.
-Brad

I have a pair of S8's (v2) and I'm trying to decide on an amp to pair with them. I'm currently bi-amping them using a marantz SR7002 and wanted to add a separate 2 channel amp. I'm considering the anthem A2 or possibly the anthem P2, but not sure I need the extra power to drive the S8's. Any opinions on these or recommendations on other manufacturers?

I'd also appreciate any feedback from people that are using any of the statement amps with S8's.

Thanks.
-Brad


IcePower, I'm running D-Sonic (http://www.d-sonic.net/) 2000-5 500w each for the front 3 and 250w for the rear 2. Good clean, cool running, efficient, unlimited power......They are the same B&O modules that other very well respected companies like Bel Canto, Jeff Rowland as well as others... costing far more in price They also double in power when driven into 4 ohm loads, making that 1000w per channel for the fronts... :D Forgot to mention Wyred4Sound and Seymour AV for IcePower as well....

Search Audiogon for Bel Canto for prices on used mono amps go for.

I have a pair of S8's (v2) and I'm trying to decide on an amp to pair with them. I'm currently bi-amping them using a marantz SR7002 and wanted to add a separate 2 channel amp. I'm considering the anthem A2 or possibly the anthem P2, but not sure I need the extra power to drive the S8's. Any opinions on these or recommendations on other manufacturers?

I'd also appreciate any feedback from people that are using any of the statement amps with S8's.

Thanks.
-Brad

I love Anthem amps and the P2 would make your Signatures sing. I don't like digital amps, yeah they pump lot of power but i find the sound boring, not my taste. I really like the sound of Mcintosh, Anthem and Classe amps with the signature series. Give them a listen...

good luck,

Not everyone finds the sound of Class-D Amps boring.....

Kal Rubinson of stereofile magazine seems to have no problems with them... So let it be known that is just an opinion.
What do you think of his system with all those Bel Canto Class-D amps... from this post....http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15109279#post15109279
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=124769&d=1227145983

I have a pair of S8's (v2) and I'm trying to decide on an amp to pair with them. I'm currently bi-amping them using a marantz SR7002 and wanted to add a separate 2 channel amp. I'm considering the anthem A2 or possibly the anthem P2, but not sure I need the extra power to drive the S8's. Any opinions on these or recommendations on other manufacturers?

I'd also appreciate any feedback from people that are using any of the statement amps with S8's.

Thanks.
-Brad

I've got a P5 driving my S6's, C5, and S2's. Works great, unlimited clean power down to a "short circuit" (i.e. any resistance). Will likely be the last amp I'll ever need for this room. Runs pretty cool, too.

I'm just debating now on a P2 or A2 to drive the ADP's. An A2 is really all I need, but then it wouldn't match!

Not everyone finds the sound of Class-D Amps boring.....

Kal Rubinson of stereofile magazine seems to have no problems with them... So let it be known that is just an opinion.


I have nothing against Class D Amps. I had two digital amps and one of them was the Bel Canto that i had bought for a good price from Audiogon few years back to run my Studio 100 v4's. Yes they do pump lot of power and run cool and don't take up much space, but for me they lack the warm sound that my Classe provides right now. This is all personal preference and people should go audition to see if they like the sound of D class amps.

Right now i am running my Signature S6's with the Classe CA 2200 and couldn't be happier.

cheers,

I have nothing against Class D Amps. I had two digital amps and one of them was the Bel Canto that i had bought for a good price from Audiogon few years back to run my Studio 100 v4's. Yes they do pump lot of power and run cool and don't take up much space, but for me they lack the warm sound that my Classe provides right now. This is all personal preference and people should go audition to see if they like the sound of D class amps.

Right now i am running my Signature S6's with the Classe CA 2200 and couldn't be happier.

cheers,

I've heard the same comments before about Class D amps, it seems to be a matter of personal opinion, some people just don't like them. I'll have to listen to some Class D amps before I can consider buying one. I did listen to an Anthem P2/P5 with studio 100's and S8's before I bought mine and definitely liked what I heard.

How come you choose the Classe 2200 instead of the P2? Accordingly to my research, 200W per channel versus 325 for the P2 and the Classe is significantly more expensive (MSRP $5000). Unfortunately my local Paradigm dealer doesn't carry Classe amps so I can't listen to them together.

I've heard that the S8's are fairly easy speakers to drive, and thus wouldn't benefit as much as some other kinds of speakers from the additional power of the P2 versus the Anthem A2. However, I do have a large room (~18 x ~28) and I like to turn up the volume. Either amp is in my budget, I'm just not sure if the added cost of the P2 is worth it.

Also keep in mind that there are different versions of Class-D and Amps built with IcePower (B&O modules)

The amps built with the B&O 1000ASP modules are said to be the best sounding out there, I have read on more then one occasion of some Class-D's sounding dry and sterile as well, but I have never had an issue like that with my 1000asp modules.

Of all those amps I listed, they are all built with the 1000asp. Just an FYI....

Good luck in your descision, maybe you could come back and give us your thoughts on your A/Bing with your speakers.

I'm going to order a pair of Studio 100 speakers for my HT. They will be behind an AT screen and I would like to know how close I can put the speakers to the front wall, which is acoustically treated. Will build my screen wall next week.

Thanks,

Randy

Hi Randy I'm just curious where you got your screen from & what kind of price range?

Hi Randy I'm just curious where you got your screen from & what kind of price range?
Got my SMX screen from Jason at AVS. Give him a call and he can give you a price on the spot.

How come you choose the Classe 2200 instead of the P2? Accordingly to my research, 200W per channel versus 325 for the P2 and the Classe is significantly more expensive (MSRP $5000). Unfortunately my local Paradigm dealer doesn't carry Classe amps so I can't listen to them together.



I've tried many amps over the past couple of years, including tubes and Class D... and this CA-2200 even with 200 Watts per channel is the finest mix of power and finesse I've ever heard. The classe CA 2200 to me presented a wider and deeper soundstage with music (two-channel, of course) than the anthem P2 did. CA-2200 is far more neutral and natural-sounding with my Signature S6's. Also compared to the P2 the classe provides a tube-like warm sound that I particularly like. This is particularly noticeable with music rather than watching movies.

You really have to compare the two with auditioning them side by side to see if the $$$$ difference worth it to you. I had my dealer provide the two Amps (Anthem P2 and the Classe CA 2200) at my house for a audition. It would be great to do the listening in your house to compare them. But like i said, it is all personal preference but i am very happy with the classe CA 2200 and would highly recommend it.

cheers,

Attention Paradigm Owners,
I'm in the search for a GOOD MATCHING center channel for my reference studio V.1 system, and am currently unhappy with my CC-450 which I've had about 10 years. Is the CC-570 v.3 a good match for v.1 60's? There's one on AudioGon that I might buy, but really what I wanted was another pair of 60's and use one for the center, but they are REALLY hard to find. Would the CC-570 v.3 be a nice upgrade with vocals and match fairly well with my speakers??? Many thanks in advance!

Can anyone chime in on this?

Can anyone chime in on this?

Since the drivers and crossovers are different it probably will not be a good
match the front 3 should be as close as they can be in that area as not to
alter the soundstage.

Same in San Diego. One Paradigm dealer closed, so now we are just down to one. The next closest ones are in Orange County and LA. I'm bummed our one dealer sucks so much.

We have two dealers in San Diego - SCo(sound company) and Dss(dynamic sound systems). Dss will definatly work with you on package deals and tend to have their equip. set up better IMO than Sound co.

if you google dss, make sure to include San Diego - otherwise you'll get one of the ten million other dss's!

We have two dealers in San Diego - SCo(sound company) and Dss(dynamic sound systems). Dss will definatly work with you on package deals and tend to have their equip. set up better IMO than Sound co.

if you google dss, make sure to include San Diego - otherwise you'll get one of the ten million other dss's!

I've dealt with Sound Co and was not happy. Tried to order some speaker brackets and their customer service was fairly poor. Glad to know I have an alternative.

I've dealt with Sound Co and was not happy. Tried to order some speaker brackets and their customer service was fairly poor. Glad to know I have an alternative.

The folks at DSS were very friendly and helpful and even willing to hold the shop open when I couldn't get there in time for closing. They do alot of experimenting with high end stuff including various sound proofing materials and what not.

I think the guys at Snd co are pretty knowledgable, but they are always pushing crap on me that I'm not in the market to buy....and its the same darn thing everytime! Obsolete DVD players that magically play bitstream signals better than my top of the line processor but that cost 1500.00 - and don't do blue ray. And of course, Richard Gray power line cleaners - if I hear another 30 minute long spiel of richard gray powerline boxes I'm gonna puke! ;-)

Not to mention I had bought stuff from SndCo for years and I still only get a 8% discount on some things - full retail on others.....
DSS on the other hand has welcomed me with 20% discounts and more along with friendly customer service and no pushing of merchandise you don't need nor want.

I have a question-I have had Ref Studio 100 v.3s in a 2-channel system for about 3 years. I wanted to use them a FR/FL in a HT system but would prefer not to use a used center channel. Would using a CC-590 as the center be disappointing? I know it is preferable to have speakers from the same series but I am getting a great deal on a new in box CC590 from an authorized dealer (<$700). All 3 are great speakers but would the v4 spoil the seamless front stage for HT?

Nope, it'll blend almost perfectly..... the .v3's and .v4's are very subtle in difference of SQ..... they will match perfectly IMO.

I a/b'd .v3 and .v4, I was hard pressed to tell the difference blind.

Nope, it'll blend almost perfectly..... the .v3's and .v4's are very subtle in difference of SQ..... they will match perfectly IMO.

I a/b'd .v3 and .v4, I was hard pressed to tell the difference blind.

My listening experience exactly.

I can get a demo unit P2 for $2100... is that a good price I should jump on? I almost never see these on AudioGon, and I think list is like $3500?

Can't ask for a better match for you P5 don't ya think buddy.... :D

Go for it, if funds are not an issue, it will be a perfect match sonically, as well as looking so sexy next to that P5.... :)

Nope, it'll blend almost perfectly..... the .v3's and .v4's are very subtle in difference of SQ..... they will match perfectly IMO.

I a/b'd .v3 and .v4, I was hard pressed to tell the difference blind.

My listening experience exactly.

Thanks for the advice :)

Is there a difference in the sound between the v5 and v6. I know they only changed the magnetic grills and the crossover to make them more efficient. I just purchased a set of monitor 7, cc190, and adp190. I auditioned the v5 and I got a nice discount on them because the v6 just came out. When I got home I realized that they gave me a cc190 v6 instead. I called them up and they didn't have the cc190 v5 instock so they gave me a v6 instead. They can get a v5 from another store but it won't be any cheaper since they already gave me a discounted price. These speakers are for an HT room in my new house. I am in the process of moving so I cannot set these up to listen for myself.

Has anyone auditioned the v5 and v6 and notice any difference in sound other then playing a little louder because of the better efficency. Thanks.

I have been using on-wall Monitor 5's (WAF) that have 6.5" mid and bass drivers...I need some in-ceiling surrounds (WAF) to complete 7.1 and am curious whether the ams-100 (6.5" driver) or ams-150 (8" driver) would be better...at some point I want to dump the on-walls but would still end up with bookshelf-type speakers (might take back the Studio 20's I gave my mom)...

If I were to go back to the Studio 20's would the AMS series not be a good match anymore or as long as I stay Paradigm I should be ok?

Got an old question for ya guys,
Is the old LCR-450 any different than the CC-450 (center speaker)? If so, what are your experience between the two?

Hi Guys,

Has anyone been able to compare the sound difference between the
Sig ADP 1's and ADP 3's? I'd like to know if the difference is substantial and worth the price. Thanks - Mike

I want to buy a set of in wall cinema series, and if some one can pm me the best source?

I want to buy a set of in wall cinema series, and if some one can pm me the best source?6 ave electronics http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PRDCINE110CTBK

Hello all. boy do I feel old school. bought my system in 96. Speakers are the only thing original. Below is my set up. but I have a question first. Looking to get smaller speakers. Can you recommend any? Looking for Paradigm only. My 9,s still sound like the day I bought them but its time to upgrade. After these there is no turning back. Thanks.

Blake

Paradigm-9semk3-F
Titans-R
CC-150
Denon 2803
Pioneer-563A DVD ( this thing will play anything I put in it.)

I'm running the Studio 40s up front with the 690 center, and am waiting for my Studio 20s to arrive(grrr) to replace my M&K 550s in the rear. The 40s will run almost full range up front, but really shine when a sub is running with them. The 690 easily runs full range, as it's.. um.. kinda big. I actually have two subs running on my system. A Servo 15(v1) running the LFE channel, and a Sunfire True Sub running with the 40s.

If you're looking to replace a full floor standing speaker, the 40s, or even the 20s will sound great, IMO. Whie I'm running direct radiators in the rear, the ADPs are fine sounding dipole hybrids.

There's my $.02. :D

What is your budget Blake...? Size of your room...?

Has anyone auditioned the v5 and v6 and notice any difference in sound other then playing a little louder because of the better efficency. Thanks.

According to Paradigm, the efficiency is the same.

I have v5 Atom's, CC-190, and ADP-190's, and v6 Monitor 7's and don't notice any different sound characteristics. Everything integrates very well.

AFAIK, there is no reason for them to yield a "different" sound.

6 ave electronics http://www.6ave.com/shop/product.aspx?sku=PRDCINE110CTBK

thanks! Any contact person there? I'll sell my studio 60s, and adp/cc 450s then.

Are there any higher end on wall paradigm to replace my studio series

I want to buy a set of in wall cinema series, and if some one can pm me the best source?

Are there any higher end on wall paradigm to replace my studio serieshttp://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/fronts-signature-signaturew5-model-2-17-1-74.paradigm 3k each

http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/fronts-signature-signaturew5-model-2-17-1-74.paradigm 3k each

Wow I've never seen the Sig W5's before... They look very nice!

http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/fronts-signature-signaturew5-model-2-17-1-74.paradigm 3k each

no man! thanks but no thanks! lol, I was looking at millenia 20, as front, LR C, what will I use for surrounds? I would still like dipoles

Anyone has done a compare between the Paradigm Monitor 11 v6 and v5? I've heard the v6 and really liked it but there is a sale for v5s. Problem the v5s are out of town and I'd be ordering blind. Any insight appreciated

Anyone has done a compare between the Paradigm Monitor 11 v6 and v5? I've heard the v6 and really liked it but there is a sale for v5s. Problem the v5s are out of town and I'd be ordering blind. Any insight appreciated

I didn't hear the 11's, but I compared Monitor 7 v5 to v6, and they sounded the same. I use 7 v6's with v5 everything else.

They should sound the same. They use the same components. The only difference is the grills and a tweaked x-over.

I'm going to be getting a pair of Studio 100 speakers for my fronts and I understand that they really like power to sound their best. Have been looking at AVR's and I'm considering the Denon 3808 and the Pioneer SC-05. If anyone is using one of these AVR's I would like to get you opinions.

Randy

I'm going to be getting a pair of Studio 100 speakers for my fronts and I understand that they really like power to sound their best. Have been looking at AVR's and I'm considering the Denon 3808 and the Pioneer SC-05. If anyone is using one of these AVR's I would like to get you opinions.

Randy

If your using a sub and cross it over at 70hz to 80hz and the room is not to
large and your not trying for rock concert levels I bet you will be fine.

no man! thanks but no thanks! lol, I was looking at millenia 20, as front, LR C, what will I use for surrounds? I would still like dipoles
im in the same boat as u are. i may go for the millena 20 or 30 depending on my budget. do the diploes make a difference on the sides and rear?

the millenia 20 lrc will run just under 900 dollars from 6ave i guess thats a good deal

I'm going to be getting a pair of Studio 100 speakers for my fronts and I understand that they really like power to sound their best. Have been looking at AVR's and I'm considering the Denon 3808 and the Pioneer SC-05. If anyone is using one of these AVR's I would like to get you opinions.

Randy


I have owned a few Pioneers now for the last couple of years and I really like them, and the SC-05 is running the new Multichannel IcePower, which will double in power when you turn that volume up, and the 100's are measured to dip down to 4ohms or lower, so that's 260wpc from the Icepower, I doubt you will get that much power out of the Denon.

I tried the Denon units before I bought Pioneer, I just didn't care for the lesser version of Audessey, just not as nice as MultiEQ XT, IMO.

im in the same boat as u are. i may go for the millena 20 or 30 depending on my budget. do the diploes make a difference on the sides and rear?

the millenia 20 lrc will run just under 900 dollars from 6ave i guess thats a good deal

Thanks! and What will be matching dipoles? or should I keep my ADP450s?

Thanks! and What will be matching dipoles? or should I keep my ADP450s?im going to use
http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/speaker_only-specification-63-1-4-20.paradigm

im going to use
http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/speaker_only-specification-63-1-4-20.paradigm

Thanks again! and if 6th avenue have those too?

Looking to get smaller speakers. Can you recommend any? Looking for Paradigm only.

Paradigm-9semk3-F
Titans-R
CC-150


Since you're coming from good large speakers, you'll likely be dissapointed by a Cinema set-up, and even the smallest current Studio configuration (20s, CC-590, and ADP-590s) is fairly large, so I would recommend you stay in the Monitor line.

Your simplest 'up'grade to smaller speaker would be to move your Titans to the front and get some Atoms or ADP-190s for surrounds. If want to replace everything, then Atoms and a CC-190 in front, and Atoms or ADP-190s for surrounds.

Pioneer-563A DVD ( this thing will play anything I put in it.)

Have you tried a BluRay Disc?:p

j/k, It's a great machine; I had one before I got my current Oppo, which also plays everything the Pio does, but has great upconversion to 1080p and transmits everything, including DSD over a single HDMI cable. So much less cluttered without the ten! cables I had to get the most out of the Pioneer.

Hey guys, I am getting Signature S8 fronts that will be bi-amped. I will be using Marantz separates (http://us.marantz.com/Products/2290.asp) (140W/channel). Distance from amp to speakers ~3 meters (~10 feet).

Can you please suggest me the speaker wire/cable that I should use to connect them? (I am getting AudioQuest interconnects for Marantz, but planning to build speaker cables myself).

What I think for now is maybe 4xCanare 4S11 per speaker (that is use the whole Canare 4S11 just for one output). Do you think this will be just too big in size (and would the whole thing actually fit together at all?). The reason I thought of something like this is to get max perfomance.

I am open to any suggestions: 12gauge/14gauge/brands/links. I am fine if the cable running from amp to speaker will be fat (untill it is still reasonalbe, which 4xCanare 4S11 could be not heh).

Also, which plugs would you recommend (spades, bananas)?

Also planning to wire central channel which will be either Signature C3 or Studio CC-590.

Thanks!

p.s. browsing forums for bi-wire bi-amping threads, just wanted to ask separate here since you guys use paradigm gear. Since my speaker cable budget is ~300 Euro I thought that it would make sense to build them myself...

I wouldn't spend the money your looking at on speaker wire....

Monoprice or Bluejeans cable has great high quality wire for much less money, you can also have them decoratively wrapped it thats what your looking for, and if you can get the locking banana's those are great.... Here is a chart for size wire for distance.... http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

Very nice choice on speakers, I just recently auditioned the .v2 S8's and S6's and they are spectacular in every way, the S8's are my next upgrade chain to replace my .v4 Studio 100's... Bi-wire or BUY-WIRE as we call it here is also a waste of money, bi-amping is ok, but not totally necessary...

Do not skimp on the Center.... get the C3.... its a perfect match to the Sigs... and extremely important matching the front 3 for HT... the surrounds are less important...

Thanks for the recommendation and link (will read the info).

I also auditioned .v2 S8's when I've been in CA recently, which I couldnt find in Europe (Germany/Berlin). They do sound great and its the top that I would spend for the pair for now.

As for the center, C3 would deffinately be a better choice and I will do my best to get enough funds for it. )

I would purchase from Monoprice or Bluejeans, but I am sure it will be very expensive when shipped to Germany. Thats why I want to buy some wire here.

Bluejeans sells Canare that you were looking at and also Belden cable. Your best bet is to look at getting a box of Belden Cable from an Electrician shop or dealer and save yourself the money by buying bulk. 300 euro should easily buy a box without having to deal with the shipping issue.

I would like to get some Studio 100s for my fronts. Right now I have an Anthem PVA-7 amp running my system. Will the PVA supply the 100s with enough power. Want to go demo a pair tomorrow, so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Thanks for the recommendation and link (will read the info).

I also auditioned .v2 S8's when I've been in CA recently, which I couldnt find in Europe (Germany/Berlin). They do sound great and its the top that I would spend for the pair for now.

As for the center, C3 would deffinately be a better choice and I will do my best to get enough funds for it. )

I would purchase from Monoprice or Bluejeans, but I am sure it will be very expensive when shipped to Germany. Thats why I want to buy some wire here.

Ahhhh You should add your location for us to more easily direct you to good inexpensive suppliers.... :)


I would like to get some Studio 100s for my fronts. Right now I have an Anthem PVA-7 amp running my system. Will the PVA supply the 100s with enough power. Want to go demo a pair tomorrow, so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

The PVA will make for a solid amp for your studio's, moreso then using a receiver.... Have a great time with your audition...

Make sure to try out other brands to compare and contrast... Make that dealer work for his $$$$ :)

I would like to get some Studio 100s for my fronts. Right now I have an Anthem PVA-7 amp running my system. Will the PVA supply the 100s with enough power. Want to go demo a pair tomorrow, so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

I have the AVM30 and the PVA-7 driving my Studio setup 100's v3 CC690, and 4 ADP-590's. Sounds outstanding.

Ahhhh You should add your location for us to more easily direct you to good inexpensive suppliers.... :)


You are kidding, right? :D

I don't really care where I would end up buing it. I kind of thought just to get an advice on what sort of cable I should use. In any case, if somebody whant to even point out a shop - I definately would not mind.

The best areas for me would be: Steglitz, Schoneberg, Whilmersdorf, Charlottenburg, Tempelhof (that is, kind of center-western part). It's ~15 min drive anyway.

I also thought that most likely I would order from internet.

Getting my interconnects here (http://www.komfortkauf.de). This shop also sells some speaker wire (http://www.komfortkauf.de/viashop/storefront/storefront.asp?katalogID=-1799136903). Since I need to bi-amp fronts and connect center I think that 50m would be planty. Maybe you could point out something at this shop?


I am pretty much should buy the cables by 10 Dec 08. :)

edit: I've talked to one guy at the mentioned online shop. Since they dont have 4 1m King Cobra pairs, he offered me some DIY cables. Just sent him a complete request for XLR interconnects and speaker cables. Will see what he offers...

Anyone kind enough to give me the RRP on the Paradigm Monitor 11 v6 and the Studio v4 100 and 60?

Thanks

You are kidding, right? :D





What I meant was, you should go into your user control panel, and add your location to your profile, so It says under your name what your location is, so that way we won't send you to some american depot to buy stuff... :)

I am not sending your cables.... :D

What I meant was, you should go into your user control panel, and add your location to your profile, so It says under your name what your location is, so that way we won't send you to some american depot to buy stuff... :)

I am not sending your cables.... :D

Warpdrv I wish everyone had their location listed with their username it would
save countless threads where the reply is I don't leave their or in the states.

Well I did it, I bit the bullit and upgraded my Monitor 5's with a set of Studio 100's. After about 3.5-4 hrs of listening all I can say is, this is one great speaker, and from what I have read is that it will only get better as they break in. Comming in a very close second was the B&W 683. I loved the sound of the B&W however the Paradigm was what I was looking for. Even the wife can't disagree with anything on the 100's. Now I just need to upgrade the center to the CC-690 or CC-590. Can't wait to get it. We we're listening to Dire Straits Brother in arms sacd and could not belive how boxy the CC-390 sounded in multichan. compaired to the 100's when in stereo. The new center will be a great addition and cant wait. One question I have is, is the CC-690 worth the extra money over the CC-590 or not?

Well I did it, I bit the bullit and upgraded my Monitor 5's with a set of Studio 100's. After about 3.5-4 hrs of listening all I can say is, this is one great speaker, and from what I have read is that it will only get better as they break in. Comming in a very close second was the B&W 683. I loved the sound of the B&W however the Paradigm was what I was looking for. Even the wife can't disagree with anything on the 100's. Now I just need to upgrade the center to the CC-690 or CC-590. Can't wait to get it. We we're listening to Dire Straits Brother in arms sacd and could not belive how boxy the CC-390 sounded in multichan. compaired to the 100's when in stereo. The new center will be a great addition and cant wait. One question I have is, is the CC-690 worth the extra money over the CC-590 or not?

If you have a large room than you will benifit from the CC-690, i find the CC-590 more than enough for moderate size rooms. The CC-690 is huge center, so make sure you have room for it. I have the Signature C3 in my 20x25 room and it does the job really well. If your only 10'-12' away from the center channel than save your money and stick with the CC-590..

Enjoy the 100's...

warpdrv i wish everyone had their location listed with their username it would
save countless threads where the reply is i don't leave their or in the states.

+1

if you have a large room than you will benifit from the cc-690, i find the cc-590 more than enough for moderate size rooms. The cc-690 is huge center, so make sure you have room for it. I have the signature c3 in my 20x25 room and it does the job really well. If your only 10'-12' away from the center channel than save your money and stick with the cc-590..

Enjoy the 100's...

+1

My room is 15'x18'x8'. I saw the cc-690 when I was at the store, any your right the thing is a beast!!!

The upside to the 690, is the extra low end extension. Less of the center channel has to go to the sub.
The downside... yeah, it's big.

Personally, I made room for the 690, I liked it that much. I'm only running the Studio 40s with it, but the Brothers In Arms SACD is just spectacular, IMO. Even the 5.1 version. (A great remix. Almost as good as the DVD-A of Hotel California)

Hi all,
Can't find any info on the difference between the two (if any)... Please.
The LCR-450 and 450a??
Thanks,
Alex

I was playing around with the placement of my 100s, I had them about 30in from the back wall and 31in from the side wall. Thought they were sounding great in that spot. I came across a review that said they like around 40in of space behind them. I moved them 42in from the back wall and still 31in from the sides. All I can say is WOW did the bottom end come alive, so much that I shut my sub off to listen to 2 ch music. There was no way I could do that with my old set-up. I guess the bottom line is I can't believe how a few inches front or back or side to side can totaly change the sound of the system. SO much to learn and experience!!!!!!

My room is 15'x18'x8'. I saw the cc-690 when I was at the store, any your right the thing is a beast!!!

With a room that size, I think the 690 may be a a bit overkill, you certainly don't need that much, but I will never say there is such a thing as overkill, If you can swing the 690 its a great center, it mates so nicely with the 100's for sure.

Gentlelmen,

I hope your gear is smoking this evening. I truly believe Paradigms were made for Saturdays...

Gentlelmen,

I hope your gear is smoking this evening. I truly believe Paradigms were made for Saturdays...

Could not agree more....

I am in San Jose CA and looking for CC 190 or CC 290 but they are always expensive $299 and $499 respectively. Can someone recommend which one's better and where and how can I get them cheaper?
I can even go with used one for now.

Thanks.

I am in San Jose CA and looking for CC 190 or CC 290 but they are always expensive $299 and $499 respectively. Can someone recommend which one's better and where and how can I get them cheaper?
I can even go with used one for now.

Thanks.

The 290 is better, but it may yield diminishing return that doesn't equate to $200 for some when considering price to performance ratio.

Check Audiogon.com from time to time for used models. Also, check local dealers to see if they will budge from MSRP. Many will. I usually get atleast 20% under.

What is your current speaker set?

The 290 is better, but it may yield diminishing return that doesn't equate to $200 for some when considering price to performance ratio.

Check Audiogon.com from time to time for used models. Also, check local dealers to see if they will budge from MSRP. Many will. I usually get atleast 20% under.

What is your current speaker set?

I have ordered Paradigm Titan's for front. Still looking for a center channel and subwoofer. Will connect them to my Onkyo 806.
I went over budget so for now I am looking for 3.1 setup with a cheaper sub. Any recommendations on cheaper sub?

Don't know what constitutes as "Cheaper Sub" but I am using a PDR 10 with my V.4 titans, and they do well together. I also have a CC 170 v.4 and they all work well together, but I would say the PDR 10 is a "cheaper sub" is this still beyond what you're looking for?

What would you guys recommend for rear surrounds?

I have Monitor 9 v.5, cc-290 v.5 and i'm either looking to get Atoms or ADP-390s.

I was thinking with the ADP-390's I would mount them on the ceiling facing down along the wall, With the Atoms 1 would be lower then the other. I don't have much options since my mom really doesn't like my speakers much lol.

The ADP's would be white so they would blend in better.

But which would sound better? 60% movies 40% music (PLII 10%)

I have ordered Paradigm Titan's for front. Still looking for a center channel and subwoofer. Will connect them to my Onkyo 806.
I went over budget so for now I am looking for 3.1 setup with a cheaper sub. Any recommendations on cheaper sub?

What is your budget? Famous Maker (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=309-175) andBIC 100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/H100-BIC-Acoustech-H-100-12-500-Watt-Subwoofer-New_W0QQitemZ140287069963QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Subwoof ers?hash=item140287069963&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1 |293%3A1|294%3A50) are great budget subs.

For higher end subs, I'd check out the SVS PB10-ISD (https://svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm), HSU VTF-1 (http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html), or ed A3-300 (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=102&osCsid=834ec1c9a5bba48881ff6ec456c1c818).

If you can up the sub budget, I'd go with the Epik Knight (http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/KnightOverview.html)... But I'm assuming this is out of the price range :)

Personally I'd run phantom 2.1 with a better sub before I used a less quality sub and 3.1.

What would you guys recommend for rear surrounds?

I have Monitor 9 v.5, cc-290 v.5 and i'm either looking to get Atoms or ADP-390s.

I was thinking with the ADP-390's I would mount them on the ceiling facing down along the wall, With the Atoms 1 would be lower then the other. I don't have much options since my mom really doesn't like my speakers much lol.

The ADP's would be white so they would blend in better.

But which would sound better? 60% movies 40% music (PLII 10%)

There is a significant price difference between Atom's and the 390's. Personally I prefer the 190's. Do you have a room layout pic?

There is a significant price difference between Atom's and the 390's. Personally I prefer the 190's. Do you have a room layout pic?

http://www.torontorentals.com/52Mabelle/2Bdrm/floorPlan1.jpg

The TV is right along the balcony, in the top left (living room) of the picture.

I would prefer either the 190's or 390's, they would be downfiring from the ceiling (near the bottom of the picture)

http://www.torontorentals.com/52Mabelle/2Bdrm/floorPlan1.jpg

The TV is right along the balcony, in the top left (living room) of the picture.

I would prefer either the 190's or 390's, they would be downfiring from the ceiling (near the bottom of the picture)

If you mount the ADP 190's on the ceiling, they would still be oriented the correct way, firing towards the front and rear walls. The front faceplate would be down firing.

http://www.6ave.com/assets/product/Images400/19DC409621BE4A90BC5B363C50A34B1A.jpg

The Atom's would be downfiring.

If I would the Atoms they would be mounted fireing towards the sitter. But beacuse of furniture one would be slightly higher then the other.

So If it came down to getting ADP-190s or Atoms, which would sound better?