What is your budget? Famous Maker (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=309-175) andBIC 100 (http://cgi.ebay.com/H100-BIC-Acoustech-H-100-12-500-Watt-Subwoofer-New_W0QQitemZ140287069963QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Subwoof ers?hash=item140287069963&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1308|301%3A1 |293%3A1|294%3A50) are great budget subs.

For higher end subs, I'd check out the SVS PB10-ISD (https://svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm), HSU VTF-1 (http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html), or ed A3-300 (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_41&products_id=102&osCsid=834ec1c9a5bba48881ff6ec456c1c818).

If you can up the sub budget, I'd go with the Epik Knight (http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/KnightOverview.html)... But I'm assuming this is out of the price range :)

Personally I'd run phantom 2.1 with a better sub before I used a less quality sub and 3.1.

Ok. So you think with Titan's I can avoid center channel for now and just go for the sub? I would be using my titan's for 70% movies and 30% music. If that is the case I can probably buy a good sub for $300 or $400. Anyways I cannot find cc190 any where to listen to and cc290 is way out of my range.

Ok. So you think with Titan's I can avoid center channel for now and just go for the sub? I would be using my titan's for 70% movies and 30% music. If that is the case I can probably buy a good sub for $300 or $400.

Are there multiple off-center listening positions?

Phantom works great for the sweet spot, but not so great for off to the side viewers.

If I would the Atoms they would be mounted fireing towards the sitter. But beacuse of furniture one would be slightly higher then the other.

So If it came down to getting ADP-190s or Atoms, which would sound better?

I believe the 190's would be a better option. I like the Atom's for direct firing as back surrounds, but in a 5.1 setup as side surrounds, I prefer the 190's.

Has anyone else had problems with the grill "legs" breaking off the studio series centers?
When I first got my cc590 home I took the grill off (carefully)to check out the drivers and 1 of the legs was broken off. i immediately contacted the dealer who replaced it. This took 6 weeks to arrive from Paradigm.By the time I changed it over another 1 had broken.

I now have the new grill and have been very reluctant to take the grill off but have done so on a few occaisons and now there are 3 broken legs on the replacement:(

Are these grills normally like this? Is it a problem with the speaker itself? (mounting holes misaligned?).
I have spoken to my dealer again and they are ordering another grill, but I expect the same thing to happen again.

I have not had a problem with the grills on my studio 100's.

Has anyone else had problems with the grill "legs" breaking off the studio series centers?


Are these grills normally like this? Is it a problem with the speaker itself? (mounting holes misaligned?).

I've taken the grill off my cc-590 many times and never broken a mounting pin.

Has anyone else had problems with the grill "legs" breaking off the studio series centers?
When I first got my cc590 home I took the grill off (carefully)to check out the drivers and 1 of the legs was broken off. i immediately contacted the dealer who replaced it. This took 6 weeks to arrive from Paradigm.By the time I changed it over another 1 had broken.

I now have the new grill and have been very reluctant to take the grill off but have done so on a few occaisons and now there are 3 broken legs on the replacement:(

Are these grills normally like this? Is it a problem with the speaker itself? (mounting holes misaligned?).
I have spoken to my dealer again and they are ordering another grill, but I expect the same thing to happen again.

I have not had a problem with the grills on my studio 100's.

I also had the same issue with my CC-690 when I first got it, he replace the entire CC. I lubed up the posts and I have been very careful from that point on.... no problems since....

I've taken the grill off my cc-590 many times and never broken a mounting pin.

I got my 590 and 3 weeks ago and removed carefully the grill and...

i broke 3 of those pins at one shot!!! and i was holding it like you hold a baby!!

They sent me a nw grill and i haven t had a problem since them.

But now i try not to remove the grills frequently

Good luck with the new one

Has anyone else had problems with the grill "legs" breaking off the studio series centers?
When I first got my cc590 home I took the grill off (carefully)to check out the drivers and 1 of the legs was broken off. i immediately contacted the dealer who replaced it. This took 6 weeks to arrive from Paradigm.By the time I changed it over another 1 had broken.

I now have the new grill and have been very reluctant to take the grill off but have done so on a few occaisons and now there are 3 broken legs on the replacement:(

Are these grills normally like this? Is it a problem with the speaker itself? (mounting holes misaligned?).
I have spoken to my dealer again and they are ordering another grill, but I expect the same thing to happen again.

I have not had a problem with the grills on my studio 100's.

Strangely, I just installed a 590 in my theater and the first time I took the grill off, one of the pegs fell off. It was damaged during shipping/handling. I wonder if it is a bad batch of plastic.

I also had the same issue with my CC-690 when I first got it, he replace the entire CC. I lubed up the posts and I have been very careful from that point on.... no problems since....

Didnt think of using lube, might be worth a try.


I got my 590 and 3 weeks ago and removed carefully the grill and...

i broke 3 of those pins at one shot!!! and i was holding it like you hold a baby!!

They sent me a nw grill and i haven t had a problem since them.

But now i try not to remove the grills frequently

Good luck with the new one

I was being very careful too, but they still broke.

Strangely, I just installed a 590 in my theater and the first time I took the grill off, one of the pegs fell off. It was damaged during shipping/handling. I wonder if it is a bad batch of plastic.

You may be right, I picked mine up in july this year.

Didnt think of using lube, might be worth a try.


:D heh,heh.

Hi All

Currently have studio 40's for fronts, and an SVS sub. Thinking of buying cc-590 for center, and mini-monitors for surrounds. Room is 27*17 feet, where 17 is the length of the walls from couch to TV. I live in a condo.

Will the center and surrounds suit? or should I consider other models?

Local dealer quoted $999 for cc-590, and $478 pair mini's - is that a fair price?

All suggestions appreciated!

Cheers

Ian

As for the pegs on the studio centers, i have had some problems with my mini v3 pegs but i doubt it's related.

Anyways, i just finished off my 5.1 monitor setup:
Monitor 9 v5
CC-290 v5
Mini's v5 for rear surrounds
and yes.. a pw-2200 v2 ( i know i know i should have gone with a different sub but it is working quite well)

Getting to my point/question:
If/when i go to a 7.1 setup what is the real benefit of the adp390 v adp190 besides the obvious additional woofer? is there a big difference in sound quality? and ability to seamlessly wrap?
And one more dumb question, would i be even better off if i could get a used set of 590s?

Thanks

Currently have studio 40's for fronts, and an SVS sub. Thinking of buying cc-590 for center, and mini-monitors for surrounds. Room is 27*17 feet, where 17 is the length of the walls from couch to TV. I live in a condo.

Will the center and surrounds suit? or should I consider other models?


What version of the 40's do you have? If you have v4's the 590 is the ideal center; prior Studio series had different naming convention for the centers and surrounds. If you want a direct radiating surround, the Mini Monitors will work well. I personally prefer diffuse side surrounds, so I have ADPs. I do however use a pair of Mini Monitors as my back surrounds (7.1 set-up). Since it sounds like your couch is against the back wall, you should stick with 5.1. I would recommend ADPs for surrounds, but that's your call. If you prefer direct radiators, the Mini's will be fine.

Local dealer quoted $999 for cc-590, and $478 pair mini's - is that a fair price?

No; that is full MSRP. With new versions of the studio series coming out in 09, dealers are discounting the current, v4, significantly.

The ADP-590s are expensive, but worth it in my book. In anycase, there's no need to buy new. The surrounds don't need to be the perfect timbre match anyway, and if you don't go with ADPs, I would recommend looking for a used pair of Atoms, Minis, or Titans of any recent vintage in good condition.

Has anyone else had problems with the grill "legs" breaking off the studio series centers?
When I first got my cc590 home I took the grill off (carefully)to check out the drivers and 1 of the legs was broken off. i immediately contacted the dealer who replaced it. This took 6 weeks to arrive from Paradigm.By the time I changed it over another 1 had broken.

I now have the new grill and have been very reluctant to take the grill off but have done so on a few occaisons and now there are 3 broken legs on the replacement:(

Are these grills normally like this? Is it a problem with the speaker itself? (mounting holes misaligned?).
I have spoken to my dealer again and they are ordering another grill, but I expect the same thing to happen again.

I have not had a problem with the grills on my studio 100's.



I had one peg break off on my 100s. The grill has to be put on just right for one peg to go in, found out the hard way!!!!!

I doubt the holes are off in the speaker cabinet but the frame of the grill could have
shifted slightly since it looks to be injection molded.

I'm looking to upgrade my kef speakers that were included in my 5.1 system.

I have a lead on a pair of Monitor 3.v2's and a cc 100 center speaker.

Pending on the condition will I be satisfied with this set up?
In the near future I would look to upgrade the rears to the atom's.

Any advice or feedback is appeciated.

Has anyone heard anything about current Paradigm orders being delayed? I put an order in with my local dealer a month and a half ago for a pair of Studio 20s, and they're still not in. At this point, I don't know what is actually happening, but I don't think my dealer is being truthful.

I had ordered my 40's and 690 about 2-3 months ago, and they took about 2-3 weeks. After placing this order, I waited and finally called the dealer. They said everything(other orders as well) would be in the Monday or Tuesday before Thanksgiving. Called 'em again the Wed. before Thanksgiving. "Paradigm is closed for the whole week, and the order didn't go out... yet... we don't think" was the excuse that time.

Called yesterday. Here's the best one yet... "The shipment got lost... stolen, er, or something like that. We're waiting to hear from (them) about what's going to happen. Um, would you like us to call you when we find out what's going on? What's your number?"
Call me???!!! WTF?!?!? At this point, I'm not even sure they still have my order receipt! Sorry... had to vent there for a moment.

So, has anyone heard anything about the Studio Series? Delays, postponements... truck hijackings?
I just want my speakers... :(

I am looking at a Signature C3 in piano black to match my Signature S1s. Dealer quoted MSRP-10% for pay with cash price. Going to check another dealer in the area today but wanted to ask what others thought/have gotten theirs for.


WARPDRV, I appreciate all of your insight and posts on this forum and I see you are in WI-where/who is your dealer? I travel to the WI/Milwaukee area monthly. I'm in Chicagoland.

I am looking at a Signature C3 in piano black to match my Signature S1s. Dealer quoted MSRP-10% for pay with cash price. Going to check another dealer in the area today but wanted to ask what others thought/have gotten theirs for.


WARPDRV, I appreciate all of your insight and posts on this forum and I see you are in WI-where/who is your dealer? I travel to the WI/Milwaukee area monthly. I'm in Chicagoland. call www.6ave.com for lowest price

Thinking of buying cc-590 for center, and mini-monitors for surrounds.

See if you can find a place locally to compare monopole vs dipoles for rear speakers... I like the diffuse sound of dipole surrounds, but not everybody does. For that size room though you'd probably want the ADP390 which ain't cheap, heh.

I am looking at a Signature C3 in piano black to match my Signature S1s. Dealer quoted MSRP-10% for pay with cash price. Going to check another dealer in the area today but wanted to ask what others thought/have gotten theirs for.


WARPDRV, I appreciate all of your insight and posts on this forum and I see you are in WI-where/who is your dealer? I travel to the WI/Milwaukee area monthly. I'm in Chicagoland.


Hey GAX..... My Paradigm dealer in town here does not handle the Signature line, I had to go out to Madison to audition the Sigs...

There is a C5 in Piano Black on Audiogon for a decent price, make room for it... :D

Hey GAX..... My Paradigm dealer in town here does not handle the Signature line, I had to go out to Madison to audition the Sigs...

There is a C5 in Piano Black on Audiogon for a decent price, make room for it... :D

Thanks-the C5 would be too big for my space. :(

I am looking at a Signature C3 in piano black to match my Signature S1s. Dealer quoted MSRP-10% for pay with cash price. Going to check another dealer in the area today but wanted to ask what others thought/have gotten theirs for.


WARPDRV, I appreciate all of your insight and posts on this forum and I see you are in WI-where/who is your dealer? I travel to the WI/Milwaukee area monthly. I'm in Chicagoland.6 ave has the C3 version 2 for $2000 but they do not sell out of state.

6 ave has the c3 version 2 for $2000 but they do not sell out of state.

road trip !!!!!

6 ave has the C3 version 2 for $2000 but they do not sell out of state.

I did not see that on their website-where did you get/see that price?

Also, I thought Paradigm did not authorize on-line sales/retailers?

I did not see that on their website-where did you get/see that price?

Also, I thought Paradigm did not authorize on-line sales/retailers?i called. they only sell the millenia series online

Hi guys,

I need some advice for my next setup
i read alot about the studio 60s and 100s and the need of a power amp
what about the 20s ??

here what i have in mind

20v4 in front
cc590v4 center
mini monitorv6 for surround
Dsp 3400 for the bass duty

all this on a harman kardon avr 445 (7x65) in a 20x19 room with a big opening at the back of the room

60/40 movie/music

you guys think my 445 can drive the 3 front with no problem ?

Hi guys,

I need some advice for my next setup
i read alot about the studio 60s and 100s and the need of a power amp
what about the 20s ??

here what i have in mind

20v4 in front
cc590v4 center
mini monitorv6 for surround
Dsp 3400 for the bass duty

all this on a harman kardon avr 445 (7x65) in a 20x19 room with a big opening at the back of the room

60/40 movie/music

you guys think my 445 can drive the 3 front with no problem ?im a sony guy, but the best bang for the buck is onkyo 805(can be spical ordered from circuit city for $589.00)

The Signature 8's and C5 and ADP's got a rave review in the current issue of Home Theater Magazine. It doesn't say what cables or components they used in the review and I checked their online site and the review is not on there. Any suggestions?

The Signature 8's and C5 and ADP's got a rave review in the current issue of Home Theater Magazine. It doesn't say what cables or components they used in the review and I checked their online site and the review is not on there. Any suggestions?

http://www.monoprice.com

More specifically, 14 or 12 AWG speaker cable, any of their HDMI cables, and any of their analog interconnects.

6 ave has the C3 version 2 for $2000 but they do not sell out of state.

The piano black C3 is $2299 canadian up here. I got my Paradigm Signature C3 in Piano black from my dealer for $1699 canadian..

Here is a picture of my C3 in piano black..

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn222/icegberg70/sig2.jpg

im a sony guy, but the best bang for the buck is onkyo 805(can be spical ordered from circuit city for $589.00)

thanks but im not looking for a new reciver
i want more info on studio 20s and cc590

Has anyone here upgraded from Titan V3's to Mini Monitor V6's?

Big difference or......????

I am currently using a cc-290.

Upgrade bug keeps biting

I currently have a CC-290v.5 as my center channel with my Monitor 9's v.5. Have the upgrade bug/urge for the CC-390v.6 as a new center channel. Anyone have the CC-390v.5 or v.6 that can give some feedback on their experiences?

Thanks

Hey i just get back from my local paradigm dealer
and they offering me a killer deal i think

a pair of studio20 v3
and a cc 570 v3
for 1500$

the only downside is the tweeter dome of the 20s, one of them got hammered by some fat fingers and the other have a small ding on it

the vendor tell me that it dont affect the sound ... what do you guys think ?

good deal or not ? or should i get only the cc570 witch is 100% perfect for 699$ and find an other pair of 20s elsewhere ??

Hey i just get back from my local paradigm dealer
and they offering me a killer deal i think

a pair of studio20 v3
and a cc 570 v3
for 1500$

the only downside is the tweeter dome of the 20s, one of them got hammered by some fat fingers and the other have a small ding on it

the vendor tell me that it dont affect the sound ... what do you guys think ?

good deal or not ? or should i get only the cc570 witch is 100% perfect for 699$ and find an other pair of 20s elsewhere ??

BS! Tell the dealer to get lost. If a dented tweet dome was good, paradigm would have made their domes dented to begin with. That kind of poor sales man tactics really annoy me.

The deal sounds great other than the dented tweet.
Look up the price on a new tweet from paradigm to replace the dented one and see if the difference is worth it. But, if you got some turkey that tells you this kinda of BS then I'd probably shy away from anything they sell and report them to paradigm as a bunk dealer.

If they were a good dealer, they'd simply order a new tweet for it and still offer it for a good price.

If you don't come up with anything, PM me and I'll talk to my local guy and see if there is any kind of deal they can work for you!

Oh if you can get me that kind of deal
btw im from canada :P if you can get it shipped to my door too i would apreciate :D

I currently have a CC-290v.5 as my center channel with my Monitor 9's v.5. Have the upgrade bug/urge for the CC-390v.6 as a new center channel. Anyone have the CC-390v.5 or v.6 that can give some feedback on their experiences?

Thanks

I would say it depends the room, I have the same setup as you. I just bought the CC-390v5 and I found it too big on my little tv stand. It does sound better then the 290.

If you have room... get it. Oh and btw chk canuckaudiomart.com for one :D

Hi guys,

I need some advice for my next setup
i read alot about the studio 60s and 100s and the need of a power amp
what about the 20s ??

here what i have in mind

20v4 in front
cc590v4 center
mini monitorv6 for surround
Dsp 3400 for the bass duty

all this on a harman kardon avr 445 (7x65) in a 20x19 room with a big opening at the back of the room

60/40 movie/music

you guys think my 445 can drive the 3 front with no problem ?

I have a very similar setup. I'm using Studio 20 v4's and a CC590 with a HK AVR320 in a very similarly sized room. The HK is rated at 55x5 and powers the front three speakers just fine. I've never had a volume issue. You will want a good sub to pair the 20's, especially for movies. You'll love them for music, paired with the HK they sound amazing. After 7 months of owning them I'm still very impressed with the Studios. Good luck.

I have a very similar setup. I'm using Studio 20 v4's and a CC590 with a HK AVR320 in a very similarly sized room. The HK is rated at 55x5 and powers the front three speakers just fine. I've never had a volume issue. You will want a good sub to pair the 20's, especially for movies. You'll love them for music, paired with the HK they sound amazing. After 7 months of owning them I'm still very impressed with the Studios. Good luck.

Thanks for the review Ianick, tis is exactly what i am looking for , what do you think about a Dsp 3400 to pair with the 20s ? what sub do you have ?

i listened 60s and monitor 11 side by side and the 60s sounded muffled and muddy, maybe not enough power to feed them (driven by denon 7x100w)

then tonight i was amazed by the 20s and cc570 driven by a small pioneer elite i guess its 7x100w too

Thanks for the review Ianick, tis is exactly what i am looking for , what do you think about a Dsp 3400 to pair with the 20s ? what sub do you have ?

i listened 60s and monitor 11 side by side and the 60s sounded muffled and muddy, maybe not enough power to feed them (driven by denon 7x100w)

then tonight i was amazed by the 20s and cc570 driven by a small pioneer elite i guess its 7x100w too

To be honest, I liked the 20's and 40's over the 60's and 100's. But I also use two 12" subs powered with a 1200 watt amp to handle the lows.
I think the smaller 20's and 40's produce the mids and highs better than the 60's and larger - and since subs these days are so good, you don't need your mains to sacrifice good high/mid fidelity to play low freq. stuff.

I'd stick with the 20's or 40's and let your sub(s) do what they are supposed to do - handle the lows!

http://www.monoprice.com

More specifically, 14 or 12 AWG speaker cable, any of their HDMI cables, and any of their analog interconnects.

The Signature 8's and C5 and ADP's got a rave review in the current issue of Home Theater Magazine. It doesn't say what cables or components they used in the review and I checked their online site and the review is not on there. Any suggestions?

AbMagFab:

I should have been more specific on this. I was wanting to know what cables and components were used in the review that HT Magazine did on the Signature speakers. It doesn't list them in the printed Magazine and I couldn't find that information on the HT website.

To be honest, I liked the 20's and 40's over the 60's and 100's. But I also use two 12" subs powered with a 1200 watt amp to handle the lows.
I think the smaller 20's and 40's produce the mids and highs better than the 60's and larger - and since subs these days are so good, you don't need your mains to sacrifice good high/mid fidelity to play low freq. stuff.

I'd stick with the 20's or 40's and let your sub(s) do what they are supposed to do - handle the lows!

Obviously, your listening preferences affect decisions, but I prefer the mains to be towers that house all the speakers to be used for full sound reproduction. I just want the "fuller" sound towers give. If a sub helps them further, great, but I want to know I enjoy the speakers on their own merit first. And usually, if a speaker is great musically, which is how I judge them, it'll be just as good for HT. So a vote for 60's or 100's here.

In a 2ch music only system, floorstanders like the 60's and 100's are the way I would go. In an HT, since you will want a sub regardless, 20's or the 40's are the better route.

cheers,

I started out with 20's and liked them then dealer let me try some 100's liked them even
more so I moved the 20's to the rear and its been that way for years and still satisfied
in the end its what you like that will work in the room you have them and I have always
ran a sub just at different crossovers with different speakers.

I sure would appreciate some advice from anyone that has experience with Paradigm in-walls. I had intended to use a non- in-wall center channel for my dedicated home theater room, such as the cc-590 or cc-690, but my wife said that she would like a "cleaner look," and as she has been difficult to bring along on this project, if she shows interest, great ! I have to admit that "clean" up front looks nice, but that cc-590/690 would be sonically sweeeeet !...and I see in-wall as a big compromise sound-quality and costs more for seemingly less.
OK, to the point...I'm looking at Paradigm's SA-LCR 3 (a true 3-way), OR the SA-35 (a 2 1/2 -way). I am gonna use floor-standing speakers as LR fronts (don't ask what kind. it's not Paradigm...I have "fairly successfully" used a moderately-priced Infinity cc, and I firmly believe that it is not crucial to "tonally" have EXACTLY the same cc and L/R's (even the same manufacturer may not match, due to placement/room, etc....another discussion). Anyone with Paradigm in-walls ? I hear about "enclosed box" in-walls as being the only kind to consider. I have to admit that I do not fully understand in-wall construction of speakers. I have read that Triad has boxed enclosures for sure. How do they stack up in comparison w/ Paradigm? I absolutely want a 3-way cc...I do not necessarily have to have it labeled as a cc, and I could see going with a cc as a verticle in-wall speaker. Hmmm...then there is the "on-wall" (still cleaner perhaps than floor-standing, but not as inconspicuous as in-wall):eek: Advice, please ! Thanks.

Thanks for the review Ianick, tis is exactly what i am looking for , what do you think about a Dsp 3400 to pair with the 20s ? what sub do you have ?

i listened 60s and monitor 11 side by side and the 60s sounded muffled and muddy, maybe not enough power to feed them (driven by denon 7x100w)

then tonight i was amazed by the 20s and cc570 driven by a small pioneer elite i guess its 7x100w too

I have a DIY sub. It's a 12" driver in a sealed enclosure with a 250 watt amp. Not the most advanced thing out there, but it sounds great with the Studio's. I don't know much about the Paradigm sub lineup, but most people seem to think one can get a better value out of internet direct sub manufacturers(SVS, eD).

I've never thought of the Studios as muffled and muddy. It very well could have been the setup or room. If you can't decide between the Monitor and Studio lines an in home trial sounds like it is in order. At your home with your room and electronics is the very best way to decide which you like the best. Good luck.

I sure would appreciate some advice from anyone that has experience with Paradigm in-walls. I had intended to use a non- in-wall center channel for my dedicated home theater room, such as the cc-590 or cc-690, but my wife said that she would like a "cleaner look," and as she has been difficult to bring along on this project, if she shows interest, great ! I have to admit that "clean" up front looks nice, but that cc-590/690 would be sonically sweeeeet !...and I see in-wall as a big compromise sound-quality and costs more for seemingly less.
OK, to the point...I'm looking at Paradigm's SA-LCR 3 (a true 3-way), OR the SA-35 (a 2 1/2 -way). I am gonna use floor-standing speakers as LR fronts (don't ask what kind. it's not Paradigm...I have "fairly successfully" used a moderately-priced Infinity cc, and I firmly believe that it is not crucial to "tonally" have EXACTLY the same cc and L/R's (even the same manufacturer may not match, due to placement/room, etc....another discussion). Anyone with Paradigm in-walls ? I hear about "enclosed box" in-walls as being the only kind to consider. I have to admit that I do not fully understand in-wall construction of speakers. I have read that Triad has boxed enclosures for sure. How do they stack up in comparison w/ Paradigm? I absolutely want a 3-way cc...I do not necessarily have to have it labeled as a cc, and I could see going with a cc as a verticle in-wall speaker. Hmmm...then there is the "on-wall" (still cleaner perhaps than floor-standing, but not as inconspicuous as in-wall):eek: Advice, please ! Thanks.
there is a company that makes a in wall speaker that you do not see at all. lookin for the name found it http://www.stealthacoustics.com/

Anybody out here using the Studio 100 with the fathom f113 or f112?
How does the combo sound ?
Also for 2 channel music do you'll use the sub or have it off?

Anybody out here using the Studio 100 with the fathom f113 or f112?
How does the combo sound ?
Also for 2 channel music do you'll use the sub or have it off?

I haven't heard the Studio 100's with a JL product, but for 2 channel music I would use the sub. If it is integrated properly, it will blend so seamlessly you will be lost in the music instead of your signal path wondering if you are a purist.

I just bought a pair of the monitor 7 v5 for $600 im a poor college student and the sound amazing cant wait till their broken in and sound even better.

Here in Canada, paradigms are being discounted for the holiday season. A local dealer gave me a price quote $830 Cdn (about 675 US) for a pair of Studio 20v4 and $800 Cdn (about 650 US) for a Studio CC 590v4 . Are these good prices?

Where can I get good speaker stands for my monitor Titan's? My local dealer quoted $75 each for the paradigm stand. Is that good deal?

can I get some feedback on the performance of the DSP 3400 sub? i'm looking to add a sub to my system and got it narrowed down to this and the svs pb12 nsd for the same price. I like the looks of the paradigm, but the svs has a way bigger reputation.

With the drivers that SVS has manufactured - the output and SQ will be superior.

thx warp....will it matter what i'm surrounding the sub with, and would you know which will give me more placement options as I don't have many.

Do you have pics of your room... what is the room size....?

What size sub were you looking at from SVS? It would be best to be able to have some flexibility of moving it around a bit to find the best location for good response in your room. That is what testing is for though.

I don't actually have pics of the room but I'm only renting this place and looking to future proof myself with a bigger then needed sub. The room is a living room/kitchen combo kinda like a long rectangle. The main listening area (even though it's the same room) measures 17.8' x 11.3' x 8'. I'm looking at the pb12 nsb, or the dsp 3400 which I can get for the same price. By specs they are pretty much similar so it's kinda a tough choice. I'd have to order them both unheard also. I'm going to be matching them with a yamaha rxv863, energy cf50 towers, energy cc10 center, and energy cr10 surrounds. the system is going to be used 70% HT/Tv, 15% gaming, and 15% music. I like action movies with a lot of low end, as well as my music (rap, dance, hard rock etc...). Almost forgot the kitchen adds another 11' or so in lenght (make it about 29'), and same width.

I am not at all familiar with the Paradigm Studio "Esprit" model. OK, apparently it is an "on-wall" model and not as deep as its counterpart. I am considering either (a) in-wall, (b) on-wall (this Esprit cc), or (c) the CC590...
Now, my wife feels that she wants a "cleaner" look to the floor and front for our developing dedicated home theater (FP/100" screen). It's probably a or b. So is anyone familiar with the performance of this "Esprit" series ? The items in the speaker pretty much match the larger CC590 speaker. I just wonder if I can get better sound from an on-wall, rather than in-wall ( comparing relatively apples-to-apples, in this Studio series). Anyone?:confused:

I am not at all familiar with the Paradigm Studio "Esprit" model. OK, apparently it is an "on-wall" model and not as deep as its counterpart. I am considering either (a) in-wall, (b) on-wall (this Esprit cc), or (c) the CC590...
Now, my wife feels that she wants a "cleaner" look to the floor and front for our developing dedicated home theater (FP/100" screen). It's probably a or b. So is anyone familiar with the performance of this "Esprit" series ? The items in the speaker pretty much match the larger CC590 speaker. I just wonder if I can get better sound from an on-wall, rather than in-wall ( comparing relatively apples-to-apples, in this Studio series). Anyone?:confused:They use the same speakers 1" tweeter, 4 1/2" mid, two 7" mid base.
Paradigm LCR 3
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_6/series_14/model_47/salcr3_7_off.jpg
Paradigm Studio Esprit
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_13/model_72/studioesprit_2_off.jpg

Has Paradigm actually started designing those inwalls with a back box yet, I honestly can't see getting anywhere's near the performance from the inwall as you would with a sealed enclosure.... Only way I would use Inwalls would be for surround or backround music...

Has Paradigm actually started designing those inwalls with a back box yet, I honestly can't see getting anywhere's near the performance from the inwall as you would with a sealed enclosure.... Only way I would use Inwalls would be for surround or backround music...

In all the years I have been installing systems there has only been one speaker co that did in wall/ceilling speakers right and that was TRIAD that is my biased opinion and for myself give me floor standers and bookshelf.

Has Paradigm actually started designing those inwalls with a back box yet, I honestly can't see getting anywhere's near the performance from the inwall as you would with a sealed enclosure.... Only way I would use Inwalls would be for surround or backround music...lcr-3 and lcr-5 have a back box sold separately
http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/backbox.php?series_id=17&&model_id=48

lcr-3 and lcr-5 have a back box sold separately
http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/backbox.php?series_id=17&&model_id=48


Which means to me that they were to designed for open baffle and adding a back box to a design like that is a poor coarse of action IMO...

Speakers are built from the onset to a box size for them to perform to the specs(T/S parameters) specific to each driver, or they will not perform properly - period...

That separate back box for those speakers is a band aid to reduce sound leakage at best, not to increase the performance. It will be a weak speaker at best used for better then average background music.

Which means to me that they were to designed for open baffle and adding a back box to a design like that is a poor coarse of action IMO...

Speakers are built from the onset to a box size for them to perform to the specs(T/S parameters) specific to each driver, or they will not perform properly - period...

That separate back box for those speakers is a band aid to reduce sound leakage at best, not to increase the performance. It will be a weak speaker at best used for better then average background music.

I agree with Warpdrv 100%.

which means to me that they were to designed for open baffle and adding a back box to a design like that is a poor coarse of action imo...qft

Which means to me that they were to designed for open baffle and adding a back box to a design like that is a poor coarse of action IMO...

Speakers are built from the onset to a box size for them to perform to the specs(T/S parameters) specific to each driver, or they will not perform properly - period...

That separate back box for those speakers is a band aid to reduce sound leakage at best, not to increase the performance. It will be a weak speaker at best used for better then average background music.Installing these speakers into the Paradigm® BX-LCR 5 Backbox enclosure (sold separately) serves a number of purposes:

The backbox is required support for the speaker mounting frame
and baffle assembly;

In concert with the IMS/SHOCK-MOUNT™ system, the Ultra-Rigid™ high-strength design of the box removes any opportunity for unwanted resonances or standing waves to color sound;

The box ensures optimum volume—improving overall sound quality, promoting deep and articulate bass response while also reducing distortion to inaudible levels;

Since this is a very high-performance design, the backbox helps reduce acoustic bleed-through to adjacent rooms.

the only real way to know is to test them against there on wall cousin
signature w5
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_74/signaturew5_12_off.jpg

Here in Canada, paradigms are being discounted for the holiday season. A local dealer gave me a price quote $830 Cdn (about 675 US) for a pair of Studio 20v4 and $800 Cdn (about 650 US) for a Studio CC 590v4 . Are these good prices?

I don't know how that compares to other Canadian prices, but those are great prices for the US. I paid about $200 each more than that just a couple of months ago.

Installing these speakers into the Paradigm® BX-LCR 5 Backbox enclosure (sold separately) serves a number of purposes:

The backbox is required support for the speaker mounting frame
and baffle assembly;

In concert with the IMS/SHOCK-MOUNT™ system, the Ultra-Rigid™ high-strength design of the box removes any opportunity for unwanted resonances or standing waves to color sound;

The box ensures optimum volume—improving overall sound quality, promoting deep and articulate bass response while also reducing distortion to inaudible levels;

Since this is a very high-performance design, the backbox helps reduce acoustic bleed-through to adjacent rooms.

the only real way to know is to test them against there on wall cousin
signature w5
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_74/signaturew5_12_off.jpg

Another notable little tidbit that you didn't quote from the website is

Backboxes are 3/8" MDF Construction

3/4" MDF heavily braced is the minumum one should consider to have in speaker construction, 13ply Baltic Birch is far better then even MDF...

Can you say serious cabinet resonance.... Puh... I wouldn't spend my money on that if It was the last speaker on earth... And they want to pass that off as Audiophile quality being a Signature series... busy !!!!

As much as I love my Sigs, and I will be buying S8's in the future you would be better served buying far more quality product.

Another notable little tidbit that you didn't quote from the website is



3/4" MDF heavily braced is the minumum one should consider to have in speaker construction, 13ply Baltic Birch is far better then even MDF...

Can you say serious cabinet resonance.... Puh... I wouldn't spend my money on that if It was the last speaker on earth... And they want to pass that off as Audiophile quality being a Signature series... busy !!!!

As much as I love my Sigs, and I will be buying S8's in the future you would be better served buying far more quality product.i agree, when i fist got into the home theater market in august 08. at that time i was dead set on buying inwalls. after visiting some dealers i was stuck on on walls (millenia series). as of monday 12 15 08 i went to a local paradigm dealer i was able listen to a side by side comparison of the millenia 300's and monitor 7. i have to say its a night and day difference in sound. now i will not settle fo anything less then a floorstanding loudspeaker(no matter what the wife wants).

I don't know how that compares to other Canadian prices, but those are great prices for the US. I paid about $200 each more than that just a couple of months ago. Thanks for the info ianick. I am just waiting for another vendor quote before I purchase a CC 590 with a pair Studio 20's.

i agree, when i fist got into the home theater market in august 08. at that time i was dead set on buying inwalls. after visiting some dealers i was stuck on on walls (millenia series). as of monday 12 15 08 i went to a local paradigm dealer i was able listen to a side by side comparison of the millenia 300's and monitor 7. i have to say its a night and day difference in sound. now i will not settle fo anything less then a floorstanding loudspeaker(no matter what the wife wants).


Good for you, nice to see someone actually put their foot down and not settle for compromise over WAF. That is one of the nice things for me about Paradigm Sigs.... they are very nice looking, and sound spectacular - It can be done....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Bedroom/BedroomPainted002.jpg

I am not at all familiar with the Paradigm Studio "Esprit" model. OK, apparently it is an "on-wall" model and not as deep as its counterpart. I am considering either (a) in-wall, (b) on-wall (this Esprit cc), or (c) the CC590...
Now, my wife feels that she wants a "cleaner" look to the floor and front for our developing dedicated home theater (FP/100" screen). It's probably a or b. So is anyone familiar with the performance of this "Esprit" series ? :confused:

I am repeating my original question, wishing to hear if anyone has direct knowledge about this "Esprit" series performance. As it is "on-wall," with a less-depth profile, it may suffice in terms of not being to conspicuous, off the floor, but I still wondr about the sound quality. As it DOES have a "box" in the speaker that it is, I would hazard to guess that it "beats" its cousin (similar components) that is an in-wall." Comments?:confused:

I am repeating my original question, wishing to hear if anyone has direct knowledge about this "Esprit" series performance. As it is "on-wall," with a less-depth profile, it may suffice in terms of not being to conspicuous, off the floor, but I still wondr about the sound quality. As it DOES have a "box" in the speaker that it is, I would hazard to guess that it "beats" its cousin (similar components) that is an in-wall." Comments?:confused:IMO Paradigm does not make a bad sounding speaker. i have a HT room 15w X 22l x 11h 131" diagonal screen the Studio Esprit LRC + a SUB would still get the wow factor.
http://www.proavmagazine.com/industry-news.asp?sectionID=1131&articleID=615501
http://www.e-gear.com/article/119000-119999/119354_1.html

I have converted a relatively small bedroom into a reading/music room and I have 2 Mini Monitors I can use for a 2-Ch setup. The room is about 8x9 ft and regular 8 ft high. I don't have the space to put the Minis on stands, I will be placing them on the bookcase.

I have two concerns :
1. Mini's are too large for the space (an overkill for the size of the room)
2. Since they are rear-ported, and since I have to place them close to the wall, I won't be getting good sound.

would selling the Mini's to replace them with smaller speakers be a better choice? maybe a pair of powered speakers to also eliminate the need to add an amp?

i agree, when i fist got into the home theater market in august 08. at that time i was dead set on buying inwalls. after visiting some dealers i was stuck on on walls (millenia series). as of monday 12 15 08 i went to a local paradigm dealer i was able listen to a side by side comparison of the millenia 300's and monitor 7. i have to say its a night and day difference in sound. now i will not settle fo anything less then a floorstanding loudspeaker(no matter what the wife wants).

On walls/in walls are a compromise and they violate almost every known "rule" for loudspeaker positioning.

I agree with Warp. Stand up to the man, I mean woman. :D

Hey All, I was just wondering what crossover set points people are running there 100s at? Thanks Ace27

IMO Paradigm does not make a bad sounding speaker. i have a HT room 15w X 22l x 11h 131" diagonal screen the Studio Esprit LRC + a SUB would still get the wow factor.
http://www.proavmagazine.com/industry-news.asp?sectionID=1131&articleID=615501
http://www.e-gear.com/article/119000-119999/119354_1.html

OSOFAST: This was very, very helpful. Thanks for taking the time to share this info. The Esprit apparently IS a compromise from its cousin...say...cc590, but that is to be expected, but it looks from the info/reviews that it is definitely worth considering.

Hey All, I was just wondering what crossover set points people are running there 100s at? Thanks Ace27

70hz for mine.

70hz for mine.

Sounds kinda high to me... The 100's should be able to run flat a bit lower than that, as they're spec'd +-2db to 44hz. I'd try 50 or 60hz, and then let the sub do the rest. Of course, the room and placement will have some say in the matter.
I'm running 40's up front, and they're crossed over at 70.... I'd say, play around with em, and see what works best, ace27.

Sounds kinda high to me... The 100's should be able to run flat a bit lower than that, as they're spec'd +-2db to 44hz. I'd try 50 or 60hz, and then let the sub do the rest. Of course, the room and placement will have some say in the matter.
I'm running 40's up front, and they're crossed over at 70.... I'd say, play around with em, and see what works best, ace27.

I did play with them you do realize when you set it this is not a brick wall
it begins to roll off at that point and is normally inaudible by 40 0r 50hz depending on the slope of the roll-off and my sub can play notes more efficently from 70hz down than my 100's with more authority. I tried 60hz
and noticed no change so to make life easier on my eq set it back to 70hz.

Yeah, I wouldn't go below 70Hz if you have any kind of decent sub with the 100s.

Has anyone upgraded from the cc-370 to the cc-390? Would love to hear your thoughts or any suggestions for a different/better paradigm center that will match well with my system.

I have Monitor 11 v.4 mains, ADP 390 v.4 surround and the cc-370 v.4 center and a HSU MkIII-VTF3 sub. As I am a patient, my budget is flexible and I can save a few hundred more if a move beyond the 390 would be worthwhile for the long run.

Have always felt the center channel didn't provide the sort of clarity that I am seeking and it seems a bit weak (subjective, but it's the best I can do to describe).

Thanks for any thoughts!!!

I asked this question before and got no response so I will try to make it more interesting and add some detail.

Current set-up in the basement/ kid's room:

Pio 816, cc-290, Titan v3's, Jamo surrounds, Energy S10.3, ps3 via optical, Sammy 42"DLP

I can only choose one to upgrade my sound:

1.Pio 1018
2.Mini Monitor v6

95% Movies/ Gaming

The 1018 via HDMI will give me the newer codecs.

The Minis will give me an overall better sound vs. the Titans???

The difference in $$ is only $150.

Up in the den I am running a cc-190, Atom v5's, cinema 70's, Ultracube 12, through a Sony 820 rec, 350 BD, and Sammy 46" 750.

I have brought the Atom's down and there does appear to be more detail in the sq. Forget about swapping the receivers. Way too much work and I really only bought the Sony because of a serious depth issue, not for it's sq.

Last thought:

I already own a pair of stands worth $150 that are 30" tall. Would stepping up to the new Titans and new stands or the 7's make that much of a difference for movies?

Man, I really, really want a pair of those 20's!

Don't worry, the basement Sammy will be swapped out in early '09. 52,52,52.....

For that guy a few posts back with the Minis in a small room:

My assumption is they are the larger, previous generation.

I run my rear ported Atom v5's in a bookshelf with acceptable 2 channel results. Good bass response for their size and price.

Have a look at the matching amp/ sacd players on the Pio site. I have experienced a set hooked up to some 20's. Pretty impressive in a small, dedicated listening enviroment.

I also have a v.4 based setup (2 minis and 2 Monitor 7s). I was told v4 and v5 would not timber match well and i believe the new x90 matches v5, not the v4.

For that guy a few posts back with the Minis in a small room:
My assumption is they are the larger, previous generation.


They are the v4 generation, 2-3 years old.

Does anyone know if there's a pair of used, good condition Studio 60's V.1 in BLACK out there....seems I looked everywhere and no go. You guys have these just laying around to sell???

I also have a v.4 based setup (2 minis and 2 Monitor 7s). I was told v4 and v5 would not timber match well and i believe the new x90 matches v5, not the v4.

Hrmm, so does that mean there is no upgrade path from v.4 within the paradigm line unless you do the whole soundstage at once? Anyone have direct experience with the 390 matched with other v.4s?

Stop the press; a decision has been made based on my rambling #9333 post.

After a long and invigorating shower I have seen a vision!

1. I am selling the Titan V3's and stands. $200-250ish
2. I am stepping up to the Monitor 7 V6's
3. Still buying a 52" LCD in early '09
4. Waiting for the next generation of the Pio 918 to be released. (vsx-919???)

Reasons:

The 7's will sound great as a background music system with a sub during cocktails and will rock, to a satisfying level, during movies and gaming.

I just do not need all the features of the 1018.
I will always be using HD sources so why put another non-used, upconverting capable piece of equipment in the chain.
Seperate amps are just not going to be part of any of my systems over the next 10 years.
My ps3 only sends out a PCM of the new codecs so the current 918 would suffice but my hope is the new ???919??? will accept the bitstream as I have a boxed Sammy 1500 sitting around.
A little future proofing is a good thing.

What really started me thinking was I paid $300 for my 816 and have been very happy for the last 3 years. I am ok with $100 a year. I will keep on this same path and replace what ever receiver I buy now in 3 years and remain happy.

It makes sense to me and now I have to explain this to my wife........my 6 and 7 year old boys get it. I just told them it will go louder!!!

So, my Studio 20s finally showed up! Yipeee!!!
Also, while I was at the dealer picking them up, I noticed a markdown tag on their floor model Signature Servo. Well, I had to ask why, and apparently, because the new Paradigm Sub 25 is coming out, it's going to replace the Sig Servo.
Ya know, with that kind of markdown, I just couldn't leave it there...:D So now, my system has a 690 on center, 40s with a Sunfire True sub on L/R, and 20s on surrounds. Oh, and a Sig Servo on LFE...
Just finished watching Dark Knight. Wow. The 20s in the rear blew away my M&Ks. The Sig Servo just made enemies for life of my downstairs neighbors. ;) Guess I'll have to start inviting them up for movie nights....

So, my Studio 20s finally showed up! Yipeee!!!
Also, while I was at the dealer picking them up, I noticed a markdown tag on their floor model Signature Servo. Well, I had to ask why, and apparently, because the new Paradigm Sub 25 is coming out, it's going to replace the Sig Servo.
Ya know, with that kind of markdown, I just couldn't leave it there...:D So now, my system has a 690 on center, 40s with a Sunfire True sub on L/R, and 20s on surrounds. Oh, and a Sig Servo on LFE...
Just finished watching Dark Knight. Wow. The 20s in the rear blew away my M&Ks. The Sig Servo just made enemies for life of my downstairs neighbors. ;) Guess I'll have to start inviting them up for movie nights....
pictures please

Sounds kinda high to me... The 100's should be able to run flat a bit lower than that, as they're spec'd +-2db to 44hz. I'd try 50 or 60hz, and then let the sub do the rest. Of course, the room and placement will have some say in the matter.
I'm running 40's up front, and they're crossed over at 70.... I'd say, play around with em, and see what works best, ace27.

I've read that you need to pick a crossover freq at least 1/2 octave (and some people believe a full octave) above the -3 dB point of the speakers. One octave above 40 Hz is 80 Hz .

pictures please

Who do I look like? George Eastman? :D j/k



Here ya go... (They're off my phone, so I apologize for the quality)
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0250.jpg
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0251.jpg
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0252.jpg
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0253.jpg
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0254.jpg
I actually leave the grilles on, but as it's a beauty shot....

The metal dome tweeter on my Signature S2 v1 is pushed in. I've tried the usual recommended fixes (tape, vacuum) but no luck. It does not seem to affect the sound, however I need to fix this so I can sell them.

Does anyone know if I'll need to purchase a whole new tweeter assembly, or is it possible to open up the tweeter and replace only the dome? Also, how many $ this might set me back?

Is it possible to open up the tweeter and push the dent out from the back side? Anyone will personal experience here? Don't want to open up the tweeter unless I know it'll be worth it (and I'd need to buy a torx wrench in order to do it.)

Would I be better off contacting Paradigm directly, or contacting my local dealer? These speakers were purchased on the used market, so they are not under warranty, and I have no reason to go through my local dealer unless necessary.

Thanks in advance.

I would just talk to your dealer and order a new tweeter... they are not that expensive, from what I understand, you cannot just open up the tweeter. Replacement is your only option at this point.

Greetings everyone,
Just discovered this fantastic thread tonight. Extremely informative. Too bad Paradigm doesn't have it's own section, so everything wouldn't be so burried.

While I was originally going with a B&W system, I listened to a wide range of Paradigm speakers today and really liked them.

Current gear:

Samsung 46" LCD
Onkyo 706 AVR
Rotel RB-956AX Multichannel Amp (prev system)
Panasonic DMP-BD35K
PSB Subsonic 5 Sub (prev system)
Studio Tech Speaker stands (a pair)
B&W DM303 R/L, and LCR3 Center Channel

Sadly, I don't have a great room to work with. The HT will be in the family room. Room is 17x17 FT. The TV wall is a 1/2 wall about 102 inches wide. The family room opens up to the kitchen.

I have decided to budget around $3,000 for speakers. Good mix of music and movies. Suggestions for a Paradigm system? How would you spend my money (for MY room, not yours!)?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Happy Holidays everyone

I am building a new HT system from scratch mostly everything is going out the door. the room the HT system is going into is 12 by 14. Here is a list of what has already been picked:
Pioneer Elite 151
Denon 4308 (maybe)
Denon 2500BDCI
Denon DMC-290
Dish DVR
HTPC

I have a budget of around $2500 for a 5.1 setup. I also need 2 pairs of in wall speakers for 2 other rooms but the cost of those are not included in the $2500. Also our local Paradigm dealer has closed down so I need to make a 2 hour drive to the nearest dealer who is in tucson. Thanks in advance.

Check Audiogon for some great prices on great speakers....

I run Sig S4's in a room that size, and they are over the top, I would suggest some Studio 40's with a 590 center and some ADP's for surrounds, unless you can fit some 20s for rears, but they really stick out from the wall... but that would be an awesome setup.

Or if you want some of the best sound... How about a pair of these http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1233329023&/Paradigm-Signature-s4-+-stands, and get a matching center later. Those speakers are spectacular for the price... I run those with the ADP-590's for rears.

Check Audiogon for some great prices on great speakers....

I run Sig S4's in a room that size, and they are over the top, I would suggest some Studio 40's with a 590 center and some ADP's for surrounds, unless you can fit some 20s for rears, but they really stick out from the wall... but that would be an awesome setup.

Or if you want some of the best sound... How about a pair of these http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1233329023&/Paradigm-Signature-s4-+-stands, and get a matching center later. Those speakers are spectacular for the price... I run those with the ADP-590's for rears.
Would this be a good setup: for the front 2 speakers I used the studio 40's and the center I use the cc-590 and in the rear 2 I use ADP-590 and I would still need a sub. I looked at what you recommended and used them for this setup. I wonder how much the cost is for all these speakers there are no prices on the Paradigm site. What would be a good sub to complement these speakers ? also does paradigm make good in wall speakers for just music in different rooms.

IMO, that would be a great setup, the Signatures would certainly better, and at the price used, you can't beat it... I have both the Studios and the Sigs, and I prefer the sigs, and will be replacing my Studios with the Sigs when I find a good set used on audiogon.

But the setup you laid out will be awesome for sure... There are tons subs to choose from, start reading in the sub section. I have no experience with paradigm inwalls.. search the speaker section for inwall suggestions.

The search feature on the site here works great, try it...

IMO, that would be a great setup, the Signatures would certainly better, and at the price used, you can't beat it... I have both the Studios and the Sigs, and I prefer the sigs, and will be replacing my Studios with the Sigs when I find a good set used on audiogon.

But the setup you laid out will be awesome for sure... There are tons subs to choose from, start reading in the sub section. I have no experience with paradigm inwalls.. search the speaker section for inwall suggestions.

The search feature on the site here works great, try it...

Ditto, except i don't have the Sigs.

Try here for retail pricing....
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Try here for retail pricing....
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Thanks for the link I hope the dealer I go to has some what the same price but I hope they are less.

Happy Holidays everyone. I didn't get any replies to my post below, so I thought I might try again. Speaker budget for new Paradigm HT is $3,000. Details on room and current gear is below.

Monitor 9's a good pair of mains to build this speaker set around? These appropriate for this sized room? Paradigm recommends CC390 for a Monitor 9 system. This is a very big speaker. How well would a CC 290 work?

I would also welcome your thoughts about keeping my existing sub vs upgrading.

Thanks very much in advance!


Greetings everyone,
Just discovered this fantastic thread tonight. Extremely informative. Too bad Paradigm doesn't have it's own section, so everything wouldn't be so burried.

While I was originally going with a B&W system, I listened to a wide range of Paradigm speakers today and really liked them.

Current gear:

Samsung 46" LCD
Onkyo 706 AVR
Rotel RB-956AX Multichannel Amp (prev system)
Panasonic DMP-BD35K
PSB Subsonic 5 Sub (prev system)
Studio Tech Speaker stands (a pair)
B&W DM303 R/L, and LCR3 Center Channel (will mostly likely be selling, or moving to another room)

Sadly, I don't have a great room to work with. The HT will be in the family room. Room is 17x17 FT. The TV wall is a 1/2 wall about 102 inches wide. The family room opens up to the kitchen.

I have decided to budget around $3,000 for speakers. Good mix of music and movies. Suggestions for a Paradigm system? How would you spend my money (for MY room, not yours!)?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Happy Holidays everyone. I didn't get any replies to my post below, so I thought I might try again. Speaker budget for new Paradigm HT is $3,000. Details on room and current gear is below.

Monitor 9's a good pair of mains to build this speaker set around? These appropriate for this sized room? Paradigm recommends CC390 for a Monitor 9 system. This is a very big speaker. How well would a CC 290 work?

I would also welcome your thoughts about keeping my existing sub vs upgrading.

Thanks very much in advance!

I have pretty much the same setup you do. Monitor 9's and a CC-290, some klipsch rsx3 in the back. My klipsch RW-10d died a little while ago so I have no sub and the front stage sounds great to me. I would save your money and get the CC-290.

I'll be picking up a DSP-3400 soon, so i'll see how much of a difference it'll make with the CC-290.

A cc290 will work but the center channel is the most important speaker in your setup IMO. Following Paradigms recommendations, you'll be spending less than $200 for a center that matches your front 2.

But if you feel its TOO big, then get the Monitor 7's and the CC290......try to stay matched for your front 3. Theres a reason why speaker manufacturers recommend certain models that go together.

Now, if you want another scenario, how bout this.....Studio 20's for the front, a CC590 center and a Seismic10/12 sub.
This is of course using your current B&W's as surrounds. That would be in the $3500+ range but I'm sure you could "negotiate".
Use your Rotel to drive the front 3 and the receiver to power your surrounds.

If you feel the price is getting up there, then going to an Ultracube 10/12" would be the next choice for your budget. The reason I'm mentioning the subs with the smaller footprint is because of your comment on the center channel....I might be wrong but I think WAF is involved here.....maybe a little? :D

Thanks very much for the reply. I plan on matching the drivers in the front three as much as possible. If I get Monitor 9's, I would like to get the CC-390 but size may be prohibitive. Good to hear that you are pleased with the 9's and CC-290 in the front. If I had a dedicated HT room, I would use the CC-390 without hesitation. In what room of the house is your set-up?

Which version of the Monitor 9's do you have? Did you buy them new or used?

What is a DSP-3400?


I have pretty much the same setup you do. Monitor 9's and a CC-290, some klipsch rsx3 in the back. My klipsch RW-10d died a little while ago so I have no sub and the front stage sounds great to me. I would save your money and get the CC-290.

I'll be picking up a DSP-3400 soon, so i'll see how much of a difference it'll make with the CC-290.

Thanks for the helpful comments. Staying with a matched set-up makes a great deal of sense here. I heard a demo setup of Studio 7's, CC 290, and 190 surrounds. While everything worked fine, I was distracted by the quality of sound/speech on the center.

I actually had my local dealer order a pair of Studio 20's for me to audition . Even after a few days of break-in, these speakers were not performing well to my ears in the store. I expected to love them based on their reviews and popularity. Perhaps there was something wrong with their setup, or they needed further breakin. I like monitors and the price point was just right on these.

Do you expect that using the Rotel will outperform the Onkyo for the fronts? I will certainly experiment.

Yes indeed, the WAF is involved in the decision making. When I mentioned I was upgrading speakers, her reply was "Oh, you going to get some of those little Bose speakers?". Oh dear.... not exactly. If I shoot for the larger center, I will need to find the right furniture to keep everything clean and neat looking.

I will look into the subs that you recommended.

A cc290 will work but the center channel is the most important speaker in your setup IMO. Following Paradigms recommendations, you'll be spending less than $200 for a center that matches your front 2.

But if you feel its TOO big, then get the Monitor 7's and the CC290......try to stay matched for your front 3. Theres a reason why speaker manufacturers recommend certain models that go together.

Now, if you want another scenario, how bout this.....Studio 20's for the front, a CC590 center and a Seismic10/12 sub.
This is of course using your current B&W's as surrounds. That would be in the $3500+ range but I'm sure you could "negotiate".
Use your Rotel to drive the front 3 and the receiver to power your surrounds.

If you feel the price is getting up there, then going to an Ultracube 10/12" would be the next choice for your budget. The reason I'm mentioning the subs with the smaller footprint is because of your comment on the center channel....I might be wrong but I think WAF is involved here.....maybe a little? :D

If you feel the price is getting up there, then going to an Ultracube 10/12" would be the next choice for your budget. The reason I'm mentioning the subs with the smaller footprint is because of your comment on the center channel....I might be wrong but I think WAF is involved here.....maybe a little? :D

I have been following this thread with a bit of chagrin.
But I had to jump in at this point to hopefully stave off a bad buying decision.
I am a former(retired) Audio Salon owner here in the New York Area(Long Island). Paradigm was my meat and potatoes. However, a substantial quantity of their line was suspect, especially the subwoofers. Avoid them at all costs.

for the money you would be paying for the ultracube et al, you could buy a real sub like a REL, or AV123 mfw-15, even HSU! Any of these would simply blow the Paradigms out of the water without as much as a blink.

As for using a CC-290, I had one set up with Studio 60's, 20's , monitor 9's and Mini monitors being driven by a DENON 4806ci and Onkyo HTR's of 80wpc. The room was 15x28x8 (3360cu ft). The cc-290 was capable of crescendo spl's of 105db before breakup. The issue is the electronics and not the speaker in most systems. Make sure the electronics has high current ability and you will be ok.
Before you move to the CC-390, ask your dealer if you take one home for a weekend as well as a cc-290 and compare them. My guess is for 95% of the time you will be unable to tell them apart. the quantum leap is when you move to the CC-590, which has a warmer mid and rolled off highs, but significantly more power handling before break up.

Frankly, I can't figure why your even considering the Monitor series, When the Titan, Mini monitor and Atoms all have received rave reviews for several years?

Hey guys.

Couple of days ago I have upgraded my reciever to Marantz separates (AV8003 and MM8003). Now upgrading all speakers in 5.1 HT setup. Room is ~3,5 x 8 meters (~ 11,5 x 26 feet).

I've decided to go for Signature S8's for the fronts (they will be bi-amped - already have got custom cable using Kimber 8VS as base).

Priority is music, however HT is also quite important.

I have 2 questions.

1) Rear speakers: Signature C2's or ADP3? I did not hear any of the two (only was choosing fronts). I've read that ADP3's are somewhat better for movies(?). The cable is mounted into the wall and present speakers are hanging. Now, the positioning is not good, since they are not facing the center of the room, but rather back of the room. I see the need to upgrade the hangers (Sigss are also somewhat bigger then my present B&W (old) 6 series speakers).

Which pair would you recommend? If using ADP3's should they be mounted almost parallel to the wall only slightly facing the center of the room?

I should make the speaker decision by friday. :)

2) Sub recommendation. It's not very important, since I am planning to get sub on later stage and spend more time on research. However, if somebody could recommend a decent sub for my system I would be glad to hear a suggestion. I would like to get a best sounding sub in a compact inclosure (in fact - the smaller the better, maybe some good standing sub out there?) within ~$1000-2000 budget.

Thanks for the help!

Hey guys.

Couple of days ago I have upgraded my reciever to Marantz separates (AV8003 and MM8003). Now upgrading all speakers in 5.1 HT setup. Room is ~3,5 x 8 meters (~ 11,5 x 26 feet).

I've decided to go for Signature S8's for the fronts (they will be bi-amped - already have got custom cable using Kimber 8VS as base).

Priority is music, however HT is also quite important.

I have 2 questions.

1) Rear speakers: Signature C2's or ADP3? I did not hear any of the two (only was choosing fronts). I've read that ADP3's are somewhat better for movies(?). The cable is mounted into the wall and present speakers are hanging. Now, the positioning is not good, since they are not facing the center of the room, but rather back of the room. I see the need to upgrade the hangers (Sigss are also somewhat bigger then my present B&W (old) 6 series speakers).

Which pair would you recommend? If using ADP3's should they be mounted almost parallel to the wall only slightly facing the center of the room?

I should make the speaker decision by friday. :)

2) Sub recommendation. It's not very important, since I am planning to get sub on later stage and spend more time on research. However, if somebody could recommend a decent sub for my system I would be glad to hear a suggestion. I would like to get a best sounding sub in a compact inclosure (in fact - the smaller the better, maybe some good standing sub out there?) within ~$1000-2000 budget.

Thanks for the help!

If music is your primary objective avoid ANY ADP series or the like. They will make the sound diffuse. Though after thinking about it, unless you are going to listen to SACD, you would be listening in the 2 channel mode anyhow. So the rears would play no part in the accurate reproduction of the signal.

Dipole speakers tend to radiate sound in 2 directions at once, ergo the diffuse sound field. My choice for accuracy would be The Atoms or MiniMonitors instead of the C2. And, you save a bundle of $$$$$.

My comments in an earlier post about subs should help you out. Forget going smaller, you cannot overcome the laws of physics, especially if you seek realism and accuracy.

Frankly, I can't figure why your even considering the Monitor series, When the Titan, Mini monitor and Atoms all have received rave reviews for several years?


? Those speakers are in the Monitor Series.

Nevermind. Yosh was talking about the Studio series and you typed Monitor instead. I agree with you on that then.

Thanks very much for jumping in. Auditioning both center speakers at home sounds like an excellent idea. My receiver should be arriving today, so I will be able to start auditioning equipment at home w/ my electronics.

I am not at all adverse to building a system w/ mini monitors instead of floorstanders. I have been listening to the entire Paradigm line over the past few weeks and really loved the bookshelfs.

So, with a $3,000 speaker budget and the room/equipment detailed in this thread, what system might you recommend? Also, please advice regarding need for upgrading the sub. Any specific recommendations for this particular room?

Thanks in advance.

I have been following this thread with a bit of chagrin.
But I had to jump in at this point to hopefully stave off a bad buying decision.
I am a former(retired) Audio Salon owner here in the New York Area(Long Island). Paradigm was my meat and potatoes. However, a substantial quantity of their line was suspect, especially the subwoofers. Avoid them at all costs.

for the money you would be paying for the ultracube et al, you could buy a real sub like a REL, or AV123 mfw-15, even HSU! Any of these would simply blow the Paradigms out of the water without as much as a blink.

As for using a CC-290, I had one set up with Studio 60's, 20's , monitor 9's and Mini monitors being driven by a DENON 4806ci and Onkyo HTR's of 80wpc. The room was 15x28x8 (3360cu ft). The cc-290 was capable of crescendo spl's of 105db before breakup. The issue is the electronics and not the speaker in most systems. Make sure the electronics has high current ability and you will be ok.
Before you move to the CC-390, ask your dealer if you take one home for a weekend as well as a cc-290 and compare them. My guess is for 95% of the time you will be unable to tell them apart. the quantum leap is when you move to the CC-590, which has a warmer mid and rolled off highs, but significantly more power handling before break up.

Frankly, I can't figure why your even considering the Monitor series, When the Titan, Mini monitor and Atoms all have received rave reviews for several years?

Thanks very much for jumping in. Auditioning both center speakers at home sounds like an excellent idea. My receiver should be arriving today, so I will be able to start auditioning equipment at home w/ my electronics.

I am not at all adverse to building a system w/ mini monitors instead of floorstanders. I have been listening to the entire Paradigm line over the past few weeks and really loved the bookshelfs.

So, with a $3,000 speaker budget and the room/equipment detailed in this thread, what system might you recommend? Also, please advice regarding need for upgrading the sub. Any specific recommendations for this particular room?

Thanks in advance.

In my haste to post a response, I missed making the point that while the Titans, Minis and Atoms are part of the Monitor series, they are NOT floor standers and thus provide you with the option of Stands or shelves ( in far enough away from the rear walls)

As for a recommendation, If your listening is not bombastic and occasional movie soundtracks, then the combination of a CC-290 center, Titans L&R,
Minis rear and Atoms (7.1) accompanied by a AV123 MFW-15, Small REL, SVS or a HSU. They should accompanied by 1st rate cabling Like Kimber 8 or 4TC or even Anti-Cables (http://www.anticables.com/). As for the Subwoofer I highly recommend the Audioquest SUB 3 powered cable-- it is fantastic!!!

Again, my choices are based on cost first, then sonics. This grouping will plant you firmly in very good sonic territory. I have never been a fan of the floor standing monitor series. I found their bass thin compared to the Studio 20 and 60's with the price difference being minimal.

I am sure other members will add their choices and bias' to this thread... and rightfully so. But unless you will have a dedicated sound room/ AV room, the WAF will nuke most Siggies or floor standers.

Thanks for the recommendations. You are correct that I do not listen at "bombastic" levels. Good call. Some follow-up questions.

(1) If you saw my original post, you know that I currently own a PSB Subsonic 5 sub bought several years ago. This was a $500.00 powered sub rated quite well for the value at the time. When you suggested the AVS MFW-15 at $699, would this represent a significant upgrade? Do you think the Subsonic 5 should be upgraded? Would something like the MFW-15 give me reasonably tight well defined bass for music (i.e. upright jazz bass)? I'm guess many lesser subs would be just fine for the bang-boom of movies. If I put more money into my sub (let's say around $1,000), would I get something more musical.. or just more power?

I am not a bass junky. Mostly listen to jazz, classical, and then smatterings of everything else.

(2) I am going to start with a 5.1 system for now. If I use Titans L&R, CC 290 center, still use the Mini's for the surrounds?

(3) When I called my local dealer, he implied that they rarely sell the Titans because by the time a monitor speaker gets this big, folks usually go for a Monitor 7 or 9. Do you feel Titans in the front (paired with a good sub) would outperform a Monitor 7/9? Will a Titan/Mini speaker system be large enough to deal w/ my 17x17 room?

(4) I owned some Kimber cable in the past and loved it. 8TC worth the cost over the 4TC? I see this stuff come up on Ebay. Any problems getting it used? I already have an audioquest subwoofer cable- a green snake-like pattern. You feel Kimber truly has an advantage over something like the typical recommendations that come up on www.bluejeanscable.com?

P.S. If you lived in my town, I would buy you at least a beer for your time...

In my haste to post a response, I missed making the point that while the Titans, Minis and Atoms are part of the Monitor series, they are NOT floor standers and thus provide you with the option of Stands or shelves ( in far enough away from the rear walls)

As for a recommendation, If your listening is not bombastic and occasional movie soundtracks, then the combination of a CC-290 center, Titans L&R,
Minis rear and Atoms (7.1) accompanied by a AV123 MFW-15, Small REL, SVS or a HSU. They should accompanied by 1st rate cabling Like Kimber 8 or 4TC or even Anti-Cables (http://www.anticables.com/). As for the Subwoofer I highly recommend the Audioquest SUB 3 powered cable-- it is fantastic!!!

Again, my choices are based on cost first, then sonics. This grouping will plant you firmly in very good sonic territory. I have never been a fan of the floor standing monitor series. I found their bass thin compared to the Studio 20 and 60's with the price difference being minimal.

I am sure other members will add their choices and bias' to this thread... and rightfully so. But unless you will have a dedicated sound room/ AV room, the WAF will nuke most Siggies or floor standers.

Thanks very much for the reply. I plan on matching the drivers in the front three as much as possible. If I get Monitor 9's, I would like to get the CC-390 but size may be prohibitive. Good to hear that you are pleased with the 9's and CC-290 in the front. If I had a dedicated HT room, I would use the CC-390 without hesitation. In what room of the house is your set-up?

Which version of the Monitor 9's do you have? Did you buy them new or used?

What is a DSP-3400?

Oh... to add also, I did get the CC-390 but I found the difference between the 2 not to be worth the HUGE size. Atleast in my setup, i'm not sure how broken in the 390 was but the 290 is about there and sounds alot better then when I took it outta the box.

The CC-390 is perfect to use if you have the pefect setup, but I don't so I didn't see huge difference.

My Monitor 9's (v.5) were 3 week old floormodels that I got for $775 (CDN) with warranty.

The DSP-3400 Is one of Paradigms newer Subs, I'm debating weither getting that or a Servo-15v2. I'm not sure if the servo is worth the extra $400 with no warranty over the DSP-3400. :confused:

Ginovino, your recommendation of Titans and Atoms with a good sub is admirable but to suggest he spend $500+ on cables/wires seems way over the top considering his budget.
He'd be better off to spend that money on speakers or electronics.
But I see you used to work at an audio salon....sorta makes sense now.:rolleyes:

And to avoid Paradigm subs? Have you heard a Seismic, the PW series or a Servo15?
There are other brands out there that are good but if digm's subs are that horrible, then
dealers wouldnt be selling them.

My 1st recommendation for headshrinker2 still stands.....Studio 20's, CC590 and a Seismic 10/12 with using his B&W's for surrounds. That should be ok as far as the WAF factor goes.
And just to reiterate what most already know, what it sounds like at the dealer is going to sound different in your home, hopefully for the better.

Hi Yosh.
I auditioned a new pair of Studio 20's, expecting to like them based on all the wonderful reviews. I'm really beginning to question if there was possibly something wrong with the speakers or setup at the dealer, because they didn't shine at all. I really liked most of the Paradigm speakers I heard that day- Monitor 7 and 9, Atoms, Mini's, and Studio 100's. There were no Studio 40's or 60's to audition. The 20's did not resemble the high end of the Studio 100's, which I really loved. I hope to hear a tried and true pair of 20's some time in the future.

While I enjoy the midrange of the various B&W monitors, I came to feel that the upper frequency range of these speakers were polite and soft as compared to the Paradigm.

Using the B&W DM 303's as surrounds for now certainly makes sense, especially if it allows me to put more money towards the front three speakers. Definitely something I will consider.

Before I bring a really big honkin' center into my family room, I think I'm going to audition a CC 290 first to see if it works to my ears satisfaction.

Appreciate the suggestion that Kimber at this time would probably put me over my budget. Perhaps this will be a future upgrade.

If I were to use monitors in both front and back, do you agree with G's suggestion to have Titan's as front L/R? Are there many folks on this forum who have happily used Titan's for the front stage of their HT setup?








Ginovino, your recommendation of Titans and Atoms with a good sub is admirable but to suggest he spend $500+ on cables/wires seems way over the top considering his budget.
He'd be better off to spend that money on speakers or electronics.
But I see you used to work at an audio salon....sorta makes sense now.:rolleyes:

And to avoid Paradigm subs? Have you heard a Seismic, the PW series or a Servo15?
There are other brands out there that are good but if digm's subs are that horrible, then
dealers wouldnt be selling them.

My 1st recommendation for headshrinker2 still stands.....Studio 20's, CC590 and a Seismic 10/12 with using his B&W's for surrounds. That should be ok as far as the WAF factor goes.
And just to reiterate what most already know, what it sounds like at the dealer is going to sound different in your home, hopefully for the better.

Monitors or Floorstanders? Do other folks agree with G's recommendation to go with Titans R/L in the front rather than Monitor 7 or 9?

Thank in advance!

Monitors or Floorstanders? Do other folks agree with G's recommendation to go with Titans R/L in the front rather than Monitor 7 or 9?

Thank in advance!

I have v5 Titans and a CC190, bottom line is you have to decide which is better for your situation.

Thanks for the reply How do you like your setup? What are you using as surrounds? Are you satisfied with the CC 190? I noticed that Paradigm recommends the C 290 for use with Titans. How did you choose the 190?

Regarding the front speakers, here is where I am coming from. At least in the front, by the time you have a monitor on a stand it takes up approx the same amount of space as a floorstander. So at least in the front, size is not a strong argument here when choosing between monitors and floorstanders.

Will I have a better performing system if I pair a monitor and a great sub, vs a floorstander like Monitor 7/9?

Happy Holidays

I have v5 Titans and a CC190, bottom line is you have to decide which is better for your situation.

Hey Paradigm owners! I've been thinking of getting the studio series for my new home theater room and had some questions. My current receiver is the Yamaha v663 and I already have 2 MFW15 subs. Eventually I can add an amp to the 663 but can't really afford to do it at the moment since we are building a new house and having to buy everything.

1st question: Studio 60 vs Studio 100. I've done lots of reading on here but still haven't decided which would be better. The room will be a 15x17 fully enclosed room. With the 2 subs, do I need the Studio 100's or will the 60's be good enough? I'll spend the extra money if need be but I didn't know if it'd be wasted and I wouldn't really notice a difference getting the 100's since the lower sound will already be taken care of. Still undecided on which center channel also. Probably 690 just because, lol.

2nd question: Will that receiver (v663) perform well enough for the time being? I'm thinking about adding the Emotiva UPA-7 eventually since it's not too expensive and gets good reviews but won't be adding it anytime soon.

The sides will be the ADP-590's obviously. Thanks for any help. I won't have my house complete until April so I still have lots of time for research but just trying to get things narrowed down.

Thanks for the reply How do you like your setup? What are you using as surrounds? Are you satisfied with the CC 190? I noticed that Paradigm recommends the C 290 for use with Titans. How did you choose the 190?

Regarding the front speakers, here is where I am coming from. At least in the front, by the time you have a monitor on a stand it takes up approx the same amount of space as a floorstander. So at least in the front, size is not a strong argument here when choosing between monitors and floorstanders.

Will I have a better performing system if I pair a monitor and a great sub, vs a floorstander like Monitor 7/9?

Happy Holidays

It works fine, I have seen people using the CC190 for things higher then Titans. I am using some Energy RVSS surrounds I found for 120 bucks. I am not one of these people that thinks timber matching is such a big deal for surrounds. I went with the CC190 cause I really just didnt feel I needed to spend the extra cash on the 290. Bottom line no matter what you buy your ears are going to adjust to the sound, you just have to be happy with what you hear. Dont forget the used market is always a good place to look to get higher end stuff for the money you want to spend.

Hey Paradigm owners! I've been thinking of getting the studio series for my new home theater room and had some questions. My current receiver is the Yamaha v663 and I already have 2 MFW15 subs. Eventually I can add an amp to the 663 but can't really afford to do it at the moment since we are building a new house and having to buy everything.

1st question: Studio 60 vs Studio 100. I've done lots of reading on here but still haven't decided which would be better. The room will be a 15x17 fully enclosed room. With the 2 subs, do I need the Studio 100's or will the 60's be good enough? I'll spend the extra money if need be but I didn't know if it'd be wasted and I wouldn't really notice a difference getting the 100's since the lower sound will already be taken care of. Still undecided on which center channel also. Probably 690 just because, lol.

2nd question: Will that receiver (v663) perform well enough for the time being? I'm thinking about adding the Emotiva UPA-7 eventually since it's not too expensive and gets good reviews but won't be adding it anytime soon.

The sides will be the ADP-590's obviously. Thanks for any help. I won't have my house complete until April so I still have lots of time for research but just trying to get things narrowed down.






I just picked up a pair of Studio 100s and have them in a 15x17 room that opens part way along one wall. I have a 10in sub for the low bass. With the 100s crossed-over @70hz they still play a pile of low material that sounds great....I also am tryin to get a little extra cash to get the CC-690, as for the 60s vs the 100s, of course I will say go for the 100s they sound phenomenal. I have no complaints!!!

Hey Paradigm owners! I've been thinking of getting the studio series for my new home theater room and had some questions. My current receiver is the Yamaha v663 and I already have 2 MFW15 subs. Eventually I can add an amp to the 663 but can't really afford to do it at the moment since we are building a new house and having to buy everything.

1st question: Studio 60 vs Studio 100. I've done lots of reading on here but still haven't decided which would be better. The room will be a 15x17 fully enclosed room. With the 2 subs, do I need the Studio 100's or will the 60's be good enough? I'll spend the extra money if need be but I didn't know if it'd be wasted and I wouldn't really notice a difference getting the 100's since the lower sound will already be taken care of. Still undecided on which center channel also. Probably 690 just because, lol.

2nd question: Will that receiver (v663) perform well enough for the time being? I'm thinking about adding the Emotiva UPA-7 eventually since it's not too expensive and gets good reviews but won't be adding it anytime soon.

The sides will be the ADP-590's obviously. Thanks for any help. I won't have my house complete until April so I still have lots of time for research but just trying to get things narrowed down.


I dont see any reason why the 60's wouldnt be fine.

I am planning a new HT. My current plan is to use Paradigm CS series in-wall/ceiling speakers. I listened to some CS-160s & 80Rs at a local dealer and was impressed with the sound for in-walls.

Dealer recommended CS160 pr for L/R, CS-LCR for center, and CS-80R for surrounds, with a DSP 3200 Sub.

Does this sound like a good system? It will be mainly for movies in a room with wood floors and hard surfaces. I will add absorbtion where I can, such as drapes and rugs.

Would I do better with three CS-LCRs in the front? I have not heard these. I also plan to add another pair of 80Rs later to complete 7.1. I will be looking into other subs after reading post in this thread.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

I have been auditioning speakers for a few weeks now and am close to purchasing a 5.1 Studio 100 setup (2x Studio 100, 1x CC-690, 2x ADP-590). If I purchase these I will need a new receiver. There are two Paradigm dealers in town and both said that I could drive these with a Marantz SR6003 just fine (specs say 100w/channel). My current room is about ~1500 cubic feet that does not open to any other parts of the house. I'm confused on what to do about amplification.

Option 1: Marantz SR6003 for amplification
Option 2: Onkyo TX-SR806 + Emotiva XPA-2
Option 3: $600-800 receiver + Emotiva XPA-5

The Marantz + an Emotiva is probably a bit outside my budget (unless my dealer gives me a very good deal on the Marantz) but in the long term I can always add an amplifier later. I'm just wondering if I should be purchasing a separate amplifier to start with.

My other question is about ADP-590 mounting. For my current room I would really prefer to ceiling mount these. I'm looking at http://www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=58 for brackets (rated to 20 pounds). Do I run a serious risk of damaging the speakers by attaching these mounts? I'm not worried about them falling I'm worried about screws into the speaker cabinet.

Hrmm, so does that mean there is no upgrade path from v.4 within the paradigm line unless you do the whole soundstage at once? Anyone have direct experience with the 390 matched with other v.4s?

did anybody try to use mini v4 as a center ?
is it better than 370, how much ?

I have been auditioning speakers for a few weeks now and am close to purchasing a 5.1 Studio 100 setup (2x Studio 100, 1x CC-690, 2x ADP-590). If I purchase these I will need a new receiver. There are two Paradigm dealers in town and both said that I could drive these with a Marantz SR6003 just fine (specs say 100w/channel). My current room is about ~1500 cubic feet that does not open to any other parts of the house. I'm confused on what to do about amplification.

Option 1: Marantz SR6003 for amplification
Option 2: Onkyo TX-SR806 + Emotiva XPA-2
Option 3: $600-800 receiver + Emotiva XPA-5

The Marantz + an Emotiva is probably a bit outside my budget (unless my dealer gives me a very good deal on the Marantz) but in the long term I can always add an amplifier later. I'm just wondering if I should be purchasing a separate amplifier to start with.

My other question is about ADP-590 mounting. For my current room I would really prefer to ceiling mount these. I'm looking at http://www.panavise.com/index.html?pageID=1&page=full&--eqskudatarq=58 for brackets (rated to 20 pounds). Do I run a serious risk of damaging the speakers by attaching these mounts? I'm not worried about them falling I'm worried about screws into the speaker cabinet.


You shouldnt need to buy an amp right away, they are nice to have dont get me wrong, headroom is always a good thing, but most receivers put out enough power to give a great expierience. Take baby steps amps can always be added later if you feel you really need that extra BAM. Quality speakers and a source are far more important IMHO.

I have been auditioning speakers for a few weeks now and am close to purchasing a 5.1 Studio 100 setup (2x Studio 100, 1x CC-690, 2x ADP-590). If I purchase these I will need a new receiver. There are two Paradigm dealers in town and both said that I could drive these with a Marantz SR6003 just fine (specs say 100w/channel). My current room is about ~1500 cubic feet that does not open to any other parts of the house. I'm confused on what to do about amplification.

Option 1: Marantz SR6003 for amplification
Option 2: Onkyo TX-SR806 + Emotiva XPA-2
Option 3: $600-800 receiver + Emotiva XPA-5

The Marantz + an Emotiva is probably a bit outside my budget (unless my dealer gives me a very good deal on the Marantz) but in the long term I can always add an amplifier later. I'm just wondering if I should be purchasing a separate amplifier to start with.


I'm running 100's with a CC690 powered by a Parasound 250WPC 3 channel amplifier and the surrounds (20's) run by my Marantz SR5002. Before with a cheaper Behringer amplifier, it sounded ok but once I brought the Parasound amp into the picture, it sounded fuller and seemed to open up the soundstage especially at higher volumes.

If and when you decide to add an amp to the picture, make sure its powering at least the front three, not just the 100's. Any receiver will work driving those speakers but more power will benefit louder listening levels.

Thanks for the advice on the amplifier. I have a small room and I don't typically play anywhere near reference level so I will start with just a receiver.

Now I just need to figure out how I can ceiling mount the surrounds.

hi,
I'm new to the forum. I am finishing off my basement and wanted to put in a nicer home theatre setup than our existing one in the family room(denon amp/canton speakers). came across this forum when setting up my panasonic tv - great info. hoping to find out some general info if someone has the time.
I found these for sale in my area:

2 Studio reference 60's
2 ADP-350 dipole surrounds
1 LCR-450 Studio reference center channel
1 PS-1000 subwoofer

question - any issues to look out for in buying used? is this a good mix of speakers - I know that is a relative term, but don't want to buy something that was put together by someone just to sell. What amp/reciever in the $500 to $1000 range might go with this set up? I think I will buy that new. finally, any idea what the speakers would be worth in good to excellent condition (since I won't buy if they look crappy). not sure if i'm allowed to ask that question on this forum.

thanks for responding

hi,
I'm new to the forum. I am finishing off my basement and wanted to put in a nicer home theatre setup than our existing one in the family room(denon amp/canton speakers). came across this forum when setting up my panasonic tv - great info. hoping to find out some general info if someone has the time.
I found these for sale in my area:

2 Studio reference 60's
2 ADP-350 dipole surrounds
1 LCR-450 Studio reference center channel
1 PS-1000 subwoofer

question - any issues to look out for in buying used? is this a good mix of speakers - I know that is a relative term, but don't want to buy something that was put together by someone just to sell. What amp/reciever in the $500 to $1000 range might go with this set up? I think I will buy that new. finally, any idea what the speakers would be worth in good to excellent condition (since I won't buy if they look crappy). not sure if i'm allowed to ask that question on this forum.

thanks for responding


I will just say this, you can find better subs out there over the Paradigm.

I dont see any reason why the 60's wouldnt be fine.



So besides saving money, I won't be missing out on much by not going w/ the 100's?

BTW, this room is pretty much only for movies/video games/TV....not really music

So besides saving money, I won't be missing out on much by not going w/ the 100's?

I dont feel you will but of course its just my opinion. Your room isnt huge and those speakers sure arent just small whimpy speakers. Gives you some cash to spend on something more important, an awesome subwoofer.

I dont feel you will but of course its just my opinion. Your room isnt huge and those speakers sure arent just small whimpy speakers. Gives you some cash to spend on something more important, an awesome subwoofer.

lol, well I certainly won't be buying a subwoofer since I just bought the 2 MFW15's :)

lol, well I certainly won't be buying a subwoofer since I just bought the 2 MFW15's :)

Oh god I so forgot about that, my apologies.

Oh god I so forgot about that, my apologies.

Ha, it's all good. I was thinking the same thing, that the 60's will probably be more than enough. Hell, I'm using JBL satellites right now so anything is an upgrade. Trying to get all my picks together for when my houses is completed though :) I'm super excited for my media room.

Thanks for the advice on the amplifier. I have a small room and I don't typically play anywhere near reference level so I will start with just a receiver.

Now I just need to figure out how I can ceiling mount the surrounds.

If your room is that small and you wont be playing it loud, whats with choosing the 100's and CC690? Save some money and get the 60's and CC590 then.

And concerning your placement of the dipoles, they either mount on the side walls or on stands....you dont hang them from the ceiling.

hi,
I'm new to the forum. I am finishing off my basement and wanted to put in a nicer home theatre setup than our existing one in the family room(denon amp/canton speakers). came across this forum when setting up my panasonic tv - great info. hoping to find out some general info if someone has the time.
I found these for sale in my area:

2 Studio reference 60's
2 ADP-350 dipole surrounds
1 LCR-450 Studio reference center channel
1 PS-1000 subwoofer


If the 60's and surrounds look and sound good, snatch them up if they're priced right.

The cc I would leave alone and PS sub is up to you but way too boomy for my tastes.

Then again, if its a package deal and you can get it cheap enough, grab it and sell off what you dont want/need.

before i pull the trigger. your thoughts on the signature 6 vs. studio 100s


http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_67/signatures6_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_13/model_29/studio100_2_off.jpg

for centers cc690 vs.sig c5
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_3/series_13/model_50/studiocc690_2_off.jpg
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_3/series_17/model_36/signaturec5_12_off.jpg

lol, well I certainly won't be buying a subwoofer since I just bought the 2 MFW15's :)

Please tell these folks just how good the MFW's sound:D

There appears to be a few members still hanging on the paradigms as quality subs, when they haven't been in over 5 years. they don't even rank in the top 20 of Craigs sub woofer list!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9164136#post9164136

IMHO the 60's are slightly more melodic than the 100's, the siggies are terribly over priced for waht they are. You can get many better sounding floor standers for much less money than the Siggies. Dollar for Dollar the Studio series is Paradigms sweet spot.

before i pull the trigger. your thoughts on the signature 6 vs. studio 100s

for centers cc690 vs.sig c5


What thoughts are you after? Sigs are roughly $8700 and the Studios are $4000.
Do you feel the sound is worth the price? I know the finish is beautiful on the Sigs and the center is just a masterpiece.:cool:
I dont think money is an issue since you're considering a top line series, so why even bother with the Studio's.

P.S. I hope you have proper amplification for them since powering those with just a middle-priced receiver would be doing them an injustice.

the siggies are terribly over priced for waht they are.

This coming a guy who recommends $300 subwoofer cables and 10' of speaker wire for over $400 :rolleyes:

If your room is that small and you wont be playing it loud, whats with choosing the 100's and CC690? Save some money and get the 60's and CC590 then.

And concerning your placement of the dipoles, they either mount on the side walls or on stands....you dont hang them from the ceiling.

I want the 100's for a few reasons. I like the sound of the 100's more than the bookshelf speakers I have auditioned. They will most likely be placed in a larger or more open room within the next two years. These are all floor models so the price is nice.

I want to suspend the surrounds from the ceiling because there are no room for stands. Wall mounting presents an issue because while one wall would allow for optimal mounting of the ADP the other wall is at an angle. My room is a rectangle except to the right of the seating area is the door. The door area is actually an extra triangular corner to the room and I am hesitant to place a speaker in what amounts to a recessed corner. If I can suspend them from the ceiling I can move the right surround out of that corner area. This would put the surrounds 8 to 9 feet above the floor in a straight line with the seating area.

before i pull the trigger. your thoughts on the signature 6 vs. studio 100s


http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_67/signatures6_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_13/model_29/studio100_2_off.jpg

for centers cc690 vs.sig c5
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_3/series_13/model_50/studiocc690_2_off.jpg
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_3/series_17/model_36/signaturec5_12_off.jpg

If you can swing the Sigs.... don't even think twice about it...

I auditioned the .v2 S6's and the S8's and unless you have a gynormous room, the S6's and C5 will be the most amazing setup IMO. I own the 100's and I can't wait to upgrade to the S8's, they are absolutely transparent and one of the best speakers I have ever heard. I also have the S4's and C3 .v1 in my bedroom, they are awesome but they are no S6 .v2... The sigs are a speaker of very few that have givin me shivers.

I would get Studio .v4's or ADP's or Studio 20's for surrounds, they will be more then adequate unless you don't mind really blowin your wad....

Does anyone know if Paradigm made a cc-570 v4. I thought the cc-590 replaced the cc-570 v3. Am I correct?

I have a pair of studio 100v2 that I have no plans to upgrade for my ht.
My center speaker is a Boston accoustics vr12 which I hope will match up ok.
I'm just in the process of getting my electronics in order after I figure what I really want to spend.

So if the vr12 doesn't cut it,which Paradigm center is would be a good choice?
The sub is a SVS pb13u with old Paradigm Titan's v1 for surrounds.

thanks

I have a pair of studio 100v2 that I have no plans to upgrade for my ht.
My center speaker is a Boston accoustics vr12 which I hope will match up ok.
I'm just in the process of getting my electronics in order after I figure what I really want to spend.

So if the vr12 doesn't cut it,which Paradigm center is would be a good choice?
The sub is a SVS pb13u with old Paradigm Titan's v1 for surrounds.

thanks

I have 100v2's as well.....I had a CC570 with them for awhile and stepped up to the CC690 recently. Seems to match up well to the 100's and the dialogue/vocals are crisp and clear. Very happy with my upgrade.
What are you powering the front 3 with?

Does anyone know if Paradigm made a cc-570 v4. I thought the cc-590 replaced the cc-570 v3. Am I correct?

You are correct.

You can get many better sounding floor standers for much less money than the Siggies. Dollar for Dollar the Studio series is Paradigms sweet spot.

Can you please name some of these MANY speakers your talking about that sounds better than the signature S6 and the S8 for less money? Because i feel like Sucker now for spending 5K for my Signature S6 in piano black when i could have had something cheaper that sounded better.

I have 100v2's as well.....I had a CC570 with them for awhile and stepped up to the CC690 recently. Seems to match up well to the 100's and the dialogue/vocals are crisp and clear. Very happy with my upgrade.
What are you powering the front 3 with?

Currently I'm just running a 2 channel PSE preamp/amp that has been used in my audio only setup driving my Vandersteens and turntable.Yes I'm a vinyl junkie!:D

I'm just getting into this HT and will probably run a Pioneer sc05/ or sc07 rcvr. in line with my Pio. plasma and let the sub take the load off the 100's

My weakest link is probably the room which consists of the family rm. kitchen area of 2800 cu. ft.

A lot of the upper end gear like Rotel and NAD are just getting into the true hd audio with issues already starting to show up. I'll just wait and observe.

I will eventually end up with separate components down the road.
I'm open to any suggestions though.

thanks

Please tell these folks just how good the MFW's sound:D

There appears to be a few members still hanging on the paradigms as quality subs, when they haven't been in over 5 years. they don't even rank in the top 20 of Craigs sub woofer list!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9164136#post9164136


lol, The MFW15 does sound very nice. That thing is loud, and will def. rattle your walls. I only hooked them up for a few minutes to make sure they work then had to put them back in the box :(. I'm in an apartment right now and those subs are way too much for here. I'll have to wait until my house is completed to use them. Can't wait! Just gotta decide on what equipment I'll be putting in that room other than the MFW's.

Happy Holidays everyone,
In this thread I have been recommended to consider a pair of Paradigm Titans (along with a good sub) for my L/R main speakers in a HT setup.

Anybody out there using such a system? Any personal feedback?

Thanks.

-- Rob



Ginovino, your recommendation of Titans and Atoms with a good sub is admirable but to suggest he spend $500+ on cables/wires seems way over the top considering his budget.
He'd be better off to spend that money on speakers or electronics.
But I see you used to work at an audio salon....sorta makes sense now.:rolleyes:

And to avoid Paradigm subs? Have you heard a Seismic, the PW series or a Servo15?
There are other brands out there that are good but if digm's subs are that horrible, then
dealers wouldnt be selling them.

My 1st recommendation for headshrinker2 still stands.....Studio 20's, CC590 and a Seismic 10/12 with using his B&W's for surrounds. That should be ok as far as the WAF factor goes.
And just to reiterate what most already know, what it sounds like at the dealer is going to sound different in your home, hopefully for the better.

If you can swing the Sigs.... don't even think twice about it...

I auditioned the .v2 S6's and the S8's and unless you have a gynormous room, the S6's and C5 will be the most amazing setup IMO. I own the 100's and I can't wait to upgrade to the S8's, they are absolutely transparent and one of the best speakers I have ever heard. I also have the S4's and C3 .v1 in my bedroom, they are awesome but they are no S6 .v2... The sigs are a speaker of very few that have givin me shivers.

I would get Studio .v4's or ADP's or Studio 20's for surrounds, they will be more then adequate unless you don't mind really blowin your wad....

interesting. my room is 16 x 20 x 9 and I have the following setup:

S6 fronts
C5 center
ADP3 x 2 surrounds
Servo 15 sub
rears coming soon...
Integra 9.8
Anthem A5.

I have really been wondering if I should not have gone with the S8's, the bit more money was not the issue, rather that I read the S8's need 3 feet clearance behind them. I could still upgrade if i really wanted to, do you think there's any point ? seems the only difference between the 6's and 8's is a couple bass drivers ? i hardly need more bass.

interesting. my room is 16 x 20 x 9 and I have the following setup:

S6 fronts
C5 center
ADP3 x 2 surrounds
Servo 15 sub
rears coming soon...
Integra 9.8
Anthem A5.

I have really been wondering if I should not have gone with the S8's, the bit more money was not the issue, rather that I read the S8's need 3 feet clearance behind them. I could still upgrade if i really wanted to, do you think there's any point ? seems the only difference between the 6's and 8's is a couple bass drivers ? i hardly need more bass.
I would think this system would sound outstanding.

Happy Holidays everyone,
In this thread I have been recommended to consider a pair of Paradigm Titans (along with a good sub) for my L/R main speakers in a HT setup.

Anybody out there using such a system? Any personal feedback?

Thanks.

-- Rob

I am a Titan owner using v5, CC190 center Energy RVSS Bipoles and a ML Dynamo sub. I dont have the best HT sub but its no slacker, I went for a music 1st sub, no complaints rattling stuff watching Transformers though. Its a good setup for me, of course more money I could do better. I couldnt pass up the Energy's for 120 bucks used in almost mint condition, they are a reference speaker.

I too went with an SVS sub mated with my monitor 11's..the 20-39..never heard bass that kicked you in your chest before!!!! and a yammy 3800 that i saved on from the new 3900... and couldn't be happier. Just reading through the forums as I am an Audiphile newb if there is such a thing LOL... Just have to get the 390 centre and a couple of rears and 5.1 is good enough for me..thanks to all for your superior knowledge and help otherwise I and many others would be lost!!!!cheers!!!!

interesting. my room is 16 x 20 x 9 and I have the following setup:

S6 fronts
C5 center
ADP3 x 2 surrounds
Servo 15 sub
rears coming soon...
Integra 9.8
Anthem A5.

I have really been wondering if I should not have gone with the S8's, the bit more money was not the issue, rather that I read the S8's need 3 feet clearance behind them. I could still upgrade if i really wanted to, do you think there's any point ? seems the only difference between the 6's and 8's is a couple bass drivers ? i hardly need more bass.

How much 2 channel audio do u listen to? if the answer is not much keep the 6s. If the answer a a lot then go with the 8s.

Are you satisfied with the front three speakers on movies? Do they work well together? Is dialogue clear and easy to hear?

This coming a guy who recommends $300 subwoofer cables and 10' of speaker wire for over $400 :rolleyes:

I am not sure how to take your comments.

Let me say that I would sooner spend $2000 on a pair of Vanderstine 2ci then a pair of big Siggies. I would sooner spend 4k on a pair of Vanderstine 3's than anything Paradigm makes. I would sooner spend $4.4k on a pair of Thiel 2.4 or Magnapans.

If you consider $300 for sub cables expensive, the indeed you are living in the "darker ages". Has the electric company finally reached Mayberry and cleared the road to your hut yet:confused:;););)

Respectfully, it is indeed a matter of priority and of course taste. I am a political history buff of material between 2000bc - 400 A.D. the majority or folks would find that duller than a snail race...Though alas, it belies what we are currently faced with today, with the exception of the speed in which it is presented to you.

Scarf not at my "$400" 3 meter cables but the billions that will be wasted (wealth sharing) by the new "Left" soon to be in control of our government.

If you thought $400 for cables is an abomination, or the infamous $1k toilet seat. Just wait a few months and you will be foaming at the mouth, when you see billions of your tax dollars being doled out to the indigent, ignorant, inapt, inadequate, indolent, insolent, incarcerated, incorrigible, intolerant, illegal and unemployable.

Then my $400 indulgence will look like chump change.:D

let me add the PSb series of speakers, the AV123 dipoles, the smaller maggies, Energys, used Martin Logans. Even the Defintive Technology dipoles would be superior. Mind you this coming from a former dealer!!!

let me add the PSb series of speakers, the AV123 dipoles, the smaller maggies, Energys, used Martin Logans. Even the Defintive Technology dipoles would be superior. Mind you this coming from a former dealer!!!

Sorry, I haven't been following the whole time but I'm planning on getting Studio 100's or 60's w/ the matching surrounds/center. Are you saying that you wouldn't buy anything from Paradigm? Is there a reason for this?

Are you satisfied with the front three speakers on movies? Do they work well together? Is dialogue clear and easy to hear?

If this was directed at me then yes, everything works fine.

Sorry, I haven't been following the whole time but I'm planning on getting Studio 100's or 60's w/ the matching surrounds/center. Are you saying that you wouldn't buy anything from Paradigm? Is there a reason for this?

No, on the contrary. As a former dealer for over 20 years, Paradigm has produced many outstanding products that appealed to audiophiles of every level. They were among the first to build affordable powered sub woofers. The Monitor and Studio series evolved to a serious contender for bang for the buck. The Atoms v5 and Mini Monitors v5 have continue to be given "Best of"

However, I draw the line at the Signature series, they I believe are overpriced for what they can sonically produce. the same for the in wall and all of the current subwoofers.

Paradigm has evolved into the M & K of home theater speakers. Sonically overrated vs $$ cost. Indeed they are beautiful to behold, though they can never sonically be in the same same league as Vanderstine, PSB, Magnepan and Thiel.

How much 2 channel audio do u listen to? if the answer is not much keep the 6s. If the answer a a lot then go with the 8s.


2 channel - not a whole lot at all. mostly Sat and lots of movies, the latter sound great to my ear, but I think i could see what you are saying with 2 channel, just that tiny little bit is perhaps missing with the S6's for 2 channel.

Are you satisfied with the front three speakers on movies? Do they work well together? Is dialogue clear and easy to hear?

did you mean me [ i.e. C5 and S6's ? ]. then yes, the C5 is a superb center, it cannot be overcome.

However, I draw the line at the Signature series, they I believe are overpriced for what they can sonically produce. the same for the in wall and all of the current subwoofers.

Paradigm has evolved into the M & K of home theater speakers. Sonically overrated vs $$ cost. Indeed they are beautiful to behold, though they can never sonically be in the same same league as Vanderstine, PSB, Magnepan and Thiel.


I agree to a point, for the money new retail, the sigs are over priced, but buy them used for somewhere around 40-50% off retail, and I feel that you are getting an outstanding product in a price range closer to what they are worth....

Paradigm as a whole IMO is entitled to make a buck, and they offer in incredibly very well engineered product that ranks up there with the best out there.... one doesn't necessarily have to spend or pay retail, but they are dam well one of the best sounding speakers out there period.

I would rather buy a set of Sigs used then a set of Studio's new for the same price.... I have done both, and I will never buy new again.

Merry Christmas to all....

Warp

Happy Holidays everyone,
In this thread I have been recommended to consider a pair of Paradigm Titans (along with a good sub) for my L/R main speakers in a HT setup.

Anybody out there using such a system? Any personal feedback?

Thanks.

-- Rob


I have been using my Titan v5's and cc 290 with Mirage omnican 6 in ceilings for a while now.I love the cc 290, it is very clear. I am very pleased with the sound despite my room limitations. I got my v5's for a great price when the v6's came out.

I don't know ginovino... I guess you feel very strongly against the Sigs, as I've read your same reply many times in this thread since the Sig v1s came out. Have you heard the Signature v2s?

I recently purchased the S6s after auditioning many speakers, including some that you mention - Vandersteen 2ces, PSB Synchronys, Thiels - and obviously felt that the S6s were significantly better sonically, especially as it applied to the mids and highs. The Beryllium tweeters are pretty amazing, IMO.

If you could comment on your specific dislikes against the Signature v2s, or does this apply to the previous version only. Also, if you know of something, being a previous dealer, something you seem to stress over and over again, please share with us. Merry Xmas everyone!

However, I draw the line at the Signature series, they I believe are overpriced for what they can sonically produce. ... Sonically overrated vs $$ cost. . . . Indeed they are beautiful to behold, though they can never sonically be in the same same league as Vanderstine, PSB, Magnepan and Thiel.

You could say the same thing about any number of speakers on the market and I can say from experience that I have heard several more expensive speakers than the Sigs that while they did some things better, I would still choose the Sigs over them.

As to the Vanderstine's, PSB's and Magnepan's being "better" speakers, ask ten different audiophiles which speakers are best and you'll get ten different answers. Sigs have better off axis performance than the Vandy's, better treble extension than the PSB's and are easier to place than some massive Maggie panels.

I think you get exactly what you pay for with the Sigs, even at full retail. Paradigm has testing and development facilities that are equal to the likes of Revel and PSB (the NRC) and better than the vast majority of speaker manufacturers out there. The Sigs and the Studio's provide consistently excellent objective performance as shown in the impartial testing done by SoundStage -- commendably flat FR, broad dispersion and low distortion.

And what is a good speaker but a collection of well designed drivers and crossover in a box. It's easy to think that the higher price of a "nicer" speaker should be the result of more exotic drivers or more advanced technology, but the truth is a lot of it goes into the cabinet. The prettier and / or more complicated the box, the more expensive it will be. Considering that the Sig cabinets are outsourced to Denmark to one of the few cabinet makers that can make curved cabinets, it only makes sense that they should cost a fair bit more than the Studios, even if they both used the exact same drivers (which they don't).

I think the only place that Paradigm went wrong is in their business model. If you start off as a high-end company and then offer lower priced products to meet market demand you still have credibility with high-end seeking audiophiles, but it doesn't usually work well going the other direction. Paradigm was started as a value brand, and then tried appealing to the high-end audiophile. Kinda like Honda coming out with a sports car intended to compete with Porsche. At least Honda was smart enough to create a separate brand -- Acura.

Well stated Tim.....

there is of course the NSX...

Well stated Tim.....

Happy Holiday's! :D

there is of course the NSX...

Yeah, my Honda analogy is certainly not air-tight, but I hope you catch my meaning. :)

Happy Holidays everyone,
In this thread I have been recommended to consider a pair of Paradigm Titans (along with a good sub) for my L/R main speakers in a HT setup.

Anybody out there using such a system? Any personal feedback?

Thanks.

-- Rob I am currently using Titans v3 and cc 170 v3 for my front three speakers. Works great with an eD A3-300 subwoofer.

I am not sure how to take your comments.

Well I guess that could be a problem....maybe check with your significant other to get a second opinion.

Let me say that I would sooner spend $2000 on a pair of Vanderstine 2ci then a pair of big Siggies. I would sooner spend 4k on a pair of Vanderstine 3's than anything Paradigm makes. I would sooner spend $4.4k on a pair of Thiel 2.4 or Magnapans.

If you're going to show off your audio prowess by throwing around some high end speaker names, at least spell them correctly.
Its "Vandersteen".:rolleyes:

If you consider $300 for sub cables expensive, the indeed you are living in the "darker ages". Has the electric company finally reached Mayberry and cleared the road to your hut yet:confused:;););)

Wow, that one hurt. You are one sharp-tongued audio "salonist".
I guess if you realized you're recommending 25% of his total budget on cable/wires, then yes, I consider that expensive.

The long and debated threads on this forum regarding cables and how much we really need to spend on them is an eye-opener for most but those with their blinders on tend to stick with their expensive cabling. I have a good idea on which side of the fence you're on.

Respectfully, it is indeed a matter of priority and of course taste. I am a political history buff...........................

I have no response to that.....thankfully, I'm sure, to the other members of this forum.

Originally Posted by Warpdrv
Well stated Tim.....

x 2

Thanks for the reply and details. Glad you like your system. What are you using for surrounds?

I'm curious, when you bought your Titans, did you consider getting a floorstander (like Monitor7/9 series) instead?

I am currently using Titans v3 and cc 170 v3 for my front three speakers. Works great with an eD A3-300 subwoofer.

I just added a pair of ADP 170's as my surrounds. When I ran the Audessy setup from my Onkyo 605 it set them for 150hz, this seems a bit high. I don't have experience with dipoles so maybe this is correct

wondering if I should lower to 80 or 100.

My fronts(old sony towers) and center(cc 170) were set for full band, but I changed to 80. my rears(titans) were set for 60.

Also thinking about using a pair of Atom v3 for fronts instead of sony

suggestions welcome

I just added a pair of ADP 170's as my surrounds. When I ran the Audessy setup from my Onkyo 605 it set them for 150hz, this seems a bit high. I don't have experience with dipoles so maybe this is correct

wondering if I should lower to 80 or 100.

My fronts(old sony towers) and center(cc 170) were set for full band, but I changed to 80. my rears(titans) were set for 60.

Also thinking about using a pair of Atom v3 for fronts instead of sony

suggestions welcome

From the Paradigm website, their measurements are listed for the ADP-190's, Frequency Response:
On-Axis http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/images/spacer.gif
±2 dB from 110 Hz - 20 kHz
I would not be using the cross of 80hz, as they don't play that low. Audessey set it properly for slighly above what they are capable of playing down to...




AAAHHAHHAH grrrrr...

I thought I read 190's....

the 170's are listed to do
FR (mfg) 90 Hz - 20 kHz ± 2dB

I wouldn't set them below 100hz..... even 110 if there is a setting for it.... You don't need to stress them out by playing material they can't reproduce....

From the Paradigm website, their measurements are listed for the ADP-190's,
I would not be using the cross of 80hz, as they don't play that low. Audessey set it properly for slighly above what they are capable of playing down to...




AAAHHAHHAH grrrrr...

I thought I read 190's....

the 170's are listed to do


I wouldn't set them below 100hz..... even 110 if there is a setting for it.... You don't need to stress them out by playing material they can't reproduce....how low will the studio adp 590 go? or sig adp3?

I just added a pair of ADP 170's as my surrounds. When I ran the Audessy setup from my Onkyo 605 it set them for 150hz, this seems a bit high. I don't have experience with dipoles so maybe this is correct

wondering if I should lower to 80 or 100.

My fronts(old sony towers) and center(cc 170) were set for full band, but I changed to 80. my rears(titans) were set for 60.

Also thinking about using a pair of Atom v3 for fronts instead of sony

suggestions welcome

While I don't always like the EQ that Audyssey performs, it has shown to be accurate in it's determination for crossover points, distances and levels. Even though your rear speakers are spec'd for 90Hz, when you put them in a room, that changes. You may be sitting in a bit of room null that is causing the bass roll-off to happen a bit sooner. I would stick with what Audyssey recommends or try repositioning your listening seat to see if you can get out of the null.

how low will the studio adp 590 go? or sig adp3?


Go to the Paradigm site, and click on each of the products specs and they tell you everything you need to know...

Thanks for the reply and details. Glad you like your system. What are you using for surrounds?

I'm curious, when you bought your Titans, did you consider getting a floorstander (like Monitor7/9 series) instead? headshrinker2, I use a second pair of titans (same old version 3 as my mains) for my surrounds. No I didn't consider floor stand speakers. the book shelf speakers works great with a good sub (for bass management, speakers are set to small and the sub takes care of the low frequency effects). I watch mostly 90% movies/tv and 10% listen to music. NOTE: My system is now 6 years old, I am in the process of replacing all my titan speakers with Studio 20s and upgrading the CC 170 to CC 590. Gerry

I wondered if any one has tried the Emotiva XPA-5 with Paradigm Studio speakers?
I have 40's v3 and CC 570 v3 and Millenia ADP's powered by a Yamaha RXV4600.
I wondered if it would be a good match?
I know this is a speaker thread but I want to know how this amp works with Paradigm speakers.
The price seems too good to be true as it is less than half of the Anthem MCA-5!
Any experience would be appreciated
Regards
Knights Of NI!!

I wondered if any one has tried the Emotiva XPA-5 with Paradigm Studio speakers?
I have 40's v3 and CC 570 v3 and Millenia ADP's powered by a Yamaha RXV4600.
I wondered if it would be a good match?
I know this is a speaker thread but I want to know how this amp works with Paradigm speakers.
The price seems too good to be true as it is less than half of the Anthem MCA-5!
Any experience would be appreciated
Regards
Knights Of NI!!


I personally dont believe in the whole match thing. If you buy a receiver you like the sound of an amp you like the sound of and speakers you like the sound of then you should be happy. Of course sound can change when you buy something that makes highs brighter etc etc but in the end I dont feel its because they dont match, you just bought something that is bright on highs.

I wondered if any one has tried the Emotiva XPA-5 with Paradigm Studio speakers?
I have 40's v3 and CC 570 v3 and Millenia ADP's powered by a Yamaha RXV4600.
I wondered if it would be a good match?
I know this is a speaker thread but I want to know how this amp works with Paradigm speakers.
The price seems too good to be true as it is less than half of the Anthem MCA-5!
Any experience would be appreciated
Regards
Knights Of NI!!

My feeling on equipment if it does the least to add or take away from the sound you are as close as it gets currently since all equipment in some way
or another will alter the sound are there would not be so many different
descriptions of how this or that gear sounds to so many people and then our
own ears come into play as well since nobodies ears are physically identical.
I am no med student or doctor but I would be willing to bet our own ears are
not identical to each other.

Tim,
I don't know about the size of your room, but Paradigm Atoms are really fantastic bookshelf speakers. They are not just a great value. They are great speakers. If you haven't seem them already, check out the reviews on the Paradigm website.

Good luck w/ your decisions.



While I don't always like the EQ that Audyssey performs, it has shown to be accurate in it's determination for crossover points, distances and levels. Even though your rear speakers are spec'd for 90Hz, when you put them in a room, that changes. You may be sitting in a bit of room null that is causing the bass roll-off to happen a bit sooner. I would stick with what Audyssey recommends or try repositioning your listening seat to see if you can get out of the null.

I've gotten some great advice from Ginovino and I agree with him that the Studio line is probably Paradigm's best price/performance line. However, I went that route and agree with him but once I heard the Signature line, I simply had to have those.

If you can get a "good" price or buy them used, then getting the Signatures is a great purchase. I don't know if I would have made the jump, especially to the S8's, if I had had to pay full retail.

I am very happy with the Signature 8's and C5 up front because they are the most seamless match I've ever heard and the S8's by themselves are simply awesome and the C5 is the best center speaker I've heard period.

It took me a long time to get to the point where I'm at now. I still have issues with spending so much money on the Signature ADP surrounds and I've kept the Studio ADP590's for now and so far they've been a good match to the Signatures up front. Of course, I will wonder how much of a difference getting the Signature ADP's will make in the whole scheme of things, but with the current economy, I'm going to hold onto the ADP590's for now.

The Signatures received a rave review in HT magazine and I'm still trying to figure out what components they used in that review. I've looked online on the HT Mag website but can't find out anything. Anyone have an idea or know where to look?

Also, Ginovino has given me some really good advice on other components in addition to Paradigm, so he does have some great insight on alot of things and I appreciate the time he spent explaining things to me because I did end up with a great HT system, partly due to his advice.

Season's Greetings!

^^^ Jim -

I don't recall seeing a review of the current Sigs in HT Mag, but they were reviewed in by UltimateAVMag.com. Here's the review system they list.

Review System
Sources
Sony PlayStation 3 (used as Blu-ray player)
Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player
Marantz DV-8400 DVD/DVD-A/SACD player
Bell ExpressVu Model 6000 HDTV satellite receiver.

Electronics
Classé SSP-300 pre/pro
Classé CA-5200 power amp
PS Audio Ultimate Outlet, PS Audio Noise Harvester power conditioners

Display
Marantz VP-12S3 DLP projector
Stewart FireHawk screen (100" diagonal, 1.25 gain)

Cables
Transparent Cable the Wall Plus speaker
MusicLink Plus interconnects
AudioQuest TosLink
Transparent Powerlink Plus AC
Monster M500 DVI

hifisponge:

Thank you for taking the time to put that information up for me. The review of the Signatures I saw was in the current HT Magazine, not an online review. I kept looking at hometheatermag.com instead of ultimateavmag.com, so I was looking in the wrong place. Again, thank you!!

UPDATE:

I just went to the Ultimateavmag.com and the Signature Review they have is from April 2008 and my Home Theater magazine is dated January 2009 and the website on the front of the magazine is hometheatermag.com, so I wonder if the components used are the same or totally different. Hmmm.

You could say the same thing about any number of speakers on the market and I can say from experience that I have heard several more expensive speakers than the Sigs that while they did some things better, I would still choose the Sigs over them.

As to the Vanderstine's, PSB's and Magnepan's being "better" speakers, ask ten different audiophiles which speakers are best and you'll get ten different answers. Sigs have better off axis performance than the Vandy's, better treble extension than the PSB's and are easier to place than some massive Maggie panels.

I think you get exactly what you pay for with the Sigs, even at full retail. Paradigm has testing and development facilities that are equal to the likes of Revel and PSB (the NRC) and better than the vast majority of speaker manufacturers out there. The Sigs and the Studio's provide consistently excellent objective performance as shown in the impartial testing done by SoundStage -- commendably flat FR, broad dispersion and low distortion.

And what is a good speaker but a collection of well designed drivers and crossover in a box. It's easy to think that the higher price of a "nicer" speaker should be the result of more exotic drivers or more advanced technology, but the truth is a lot of it goes into the cabinet. The prettier and / or more complicated the box, the more expensive it will be. Considering that the Sig cabinets are outsourced to Denmark to one of the few cabinet makers that can make curved cabinets, it only makes sense that they should cost a fair bit more than the Studios, even if they both used the exact same drivers (which they don't).

I think the only place that Paradigm went wrong is in their business model. If you start off as a high-end company and then offer lower priced products to meet market demand you still have credibility with high-end seeking audiophiles, but it doesn't usually work well going the other direction. Paradigm was started as a value brand, and then tried appealing to the high-end audiophile. Kinda like Honda coming out with a sports car intended to compete with Porsche. At least Honda was smart enough to create a separate brand -- Acura.

You have stated it better the I as to the business model. Such being the case for the Holman Amp and preamp of th early 70's.

Paradigm had indeed joined that trend and they can't go back. caveat emptor


I thank Jimmy for the kind word about my guidance.

Having sold Thiel for almost 25 years and Infinity and M&K until their demise, and Martin Logan until recently, The siggie series is not in the same league as any of these other speakers.

do they sound good... YES, are they worth $4-6k, never!

Am I bad retailer, maybe.....but then, I never stopped taking home a paycheck every month for 28 years.

So you fill in the blanks if I was a successful retailer.

Ginovino:

I agree that you can put Thiel speakers up there as a class act, but the Signatures are their equal or better. (I like Thiel alot and auditioned them before choosing the Signatures).

The HT Magazine reviewer (Kris Deering) who wrote the excellent review of the Signature 8's called them his "new reference" speakers. Also, Robert Deutsch who reviewed the Signatures for Ultimateavmag.com gave the Signatuers a very glowing review. They can't both be blowing smoke and just writing these words because they have a vivid imagination. I know you say relatively kind things about the Studio line from Paradigm but always in the context that something else would be better.

I'm beginning to sense you honestly just don't like most of Paradigm and seem to have a very obvious disdain for the Signature line. Yes, even I will admit that the Signatures are somewhat high priced but to throw them out of a lineup consisting of Martin Logan, M&K, Infinity and Thiel is simply "bashing" them and you know it.

Come on, you're going to say that Infinity and M&K are better than the Signatures (version 2)? NO WAY! Thiel can claim to be in the neighborhood and Martin Logan in the distant neighborhood, but M&K and Infinity? You know I have respect for some of your opinions but your derogatory comments about the Signatures are just too obvious and glaring.

hifisponge:

Thank you for taking the time to put that information up for me. The review of the Signatures I saw was in the current HT Magazine, not an online review. I kept looking at hometheatermag.com instead of ultimateavmag.com, so I was looking in the wrong place. Again, thank you!!

UPDATE:

I just went to the Ultimateavmag.com and the Signature Review they have is from April 2008 and my Home Theater magazine is dated January 2009 and the website on the front of the magazine is hometheatermag.com, so I wonder if the components used are the same or totally different. Hmmm.

Ultimate AV and HT Mag are sister sites, but still independent, so I would gather that the HT boys would have a different system. Give it a month or two for the recent HT Mag review to make it on-line and you'll have access to their equipment list. :)

BTW - case in point, I switched from Martin Logan ESLs to Paradigm Sig V1's a few years ago because I felt the Sigs were a better speaker for my needs. The ML's have unbeatable transparency, but with that they have a very narrow sweet spot, limited dynamics and become congested at much lower levels than the Sigs.

where I could find Studio 60 V.4 just one speaker? maybe some has one for sale? thanks...

Having sold Thiel for almost 25 years and Infinity and M&K until their demise, and Martin Logan until recently, The siggie series is not in the same league as any of these other speakers.

do they sound good... YES, are they worth $4-6k, never!

Am I bad retailer, maybe.....but then, I never stopped taking home a paycheck every month for 28 years.

So you fill in the blanks if I was a successful retailer.

Even a jackass finds food everyday. :rolleyes:

Ginovino:

I'm beginning to sense you honestly just don't like most of Paradigm and seem to have a very obvious disdain for the Signature line. Yes, even I will admit that the Signatures are somewhat high priced but to throw them out of a lineup consisting of Martin Logan, M&K, Infinity and Thiel is simply "bashing" them and you know it.

Come on, you're going to say that Infinity and M&K are better than the Signatures (version 2)? NO WAY! Thiel can claim to be in the neighborhood and Martin Logan in the distant neighborhood, but M&K and Infinity? You know I have respect for some of your opinions but your derogatory comments about the Signatures are just too obvious and glaring.

Different strokes for different folks. The Sigs are not for everybody and opinions of them will always vary widely. Ginovino has his of them and you have yours. While a good healthy debate can be had over them it still comes down to personal preference with no real right or wrong.

Even a jackass finds food everyday. :rolleyes:



Different strokes for different folks. The Sigs are not for everybody and opinions of them will always vary widely. Ginovino has his of them and you have yours. While a good healthy debate can be had over them it still comes down to personal preference with no real right or wrong.

I think I've been very fair and was not judging on this point and if you read my previous posts you'd see. A healthy debate is always welcome. Ginovino knows that I respect his opinions on certains things and has helped me with my HT system as well.

Ginovino:

I agree that you can put Thiel speakers up there as a class act, but the Signatures are their equal or better. (I like Thiel alot and auditioned them before choosing the Signatures).

The HT Magazine reviewer (Kris Deering) who wrote the excellent review of the Signature 8's called them his "new reference" speakers. Also, Robert Deutsch who reviewed the Signatures for Ultimateavmag.com gave the Signatuers a very glowing review. They can't both be blowing smoke and just writing these words because they have a vivid imagination. I know you say relatively kind things about the Studio line from Paradigm but always in the context that something else would be better.

I'm beginning to sense you honestly just don't like most of Paradigm and seem to have a very obvious disdain for the Signature line. Yes, even I will admit that the Signatures are somewhat high priced but to throw them out of a lineup consisting of Martin Logan, M&K, Infinity and Thiel is simply "bashing" them and you know it.

Come on, you're going to say that Infinity and M&K are better than the Signatures (version 2)? NO WAY! Thiel can claim to be in the neighborhood and Martin Logan in the distant neighborhood, but M&K and Infinity? You know I have respect for some of your opinions but your derogatory comments about the Signatures are just too obvious and glaring.

I agree, remove m&K and infinity (old) from the group and add Verity, PSB, Legacy, Quad, Magnapan, Vanderstines.

Disdain is a harsh word.Though I sold many sets of themover the years, in my heart I viewed them as glorified Studios where for a LOT less money you could have 90%+ of their sound. I will say no more about the Siggies. chapter is closed.:(

I have some Studio 20s v.2 - does anyone know where I can find the specs for this version (sensitivity, etc)?

I am actually enjoying this debate. I am trying to decide between the Vandersteenm Thiel and the Paradigm. I only have a budget of about $7000 for the fronts, rears and center so I am guessing cost will help point me in the right direction. I got the wife to agree it was time to upgrade and we set a budget.

My last thought on the Paradigm Studio vs Signature debate is that it is possible that when Ginovino last carried/sold these models, it may have been around the time the Studio line had been upgraded to version 4, which brought them close to the Signature version 1 sound and thus, I can see Ginovino making the comments he did. However, once the Signature "version 2" came out, then the closeness of the comparison ended there. In my posts, I was very specific referring to the Signature "v2's". Thanks.

I have some Studio 20s v.2 - does anyone know where I can find the specs for this version (sensitivity, etc)?

I think v.2 and v. 1 are pretty much identical -- this should help:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/paradigm-reference-20-470-speakers-5-2005.html

I think v.2 and v. 1 are pretty much identical -- this should help:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_12_2/paradigm-reference-20-470-speakers-5-2005.html

Thanks but it looks like that article is for the version 3 20's...I think sensitivity improved with the v.3's...

Greetings everyone,
What is your current Paradigm setup? What are you using? Maybe also include your electronics and comments about overall performance.

Thought this might help folks with their purchase choices to see what folks are using.

Happy Holidays.

Well the local audio/video shop had a boxing week sale and I heard an ad on the radio that speakers were up to 75% off. Before I could suggest it my wife's eyes opened wide and suggested we could save some $$$ if we took a look-see. Well, if we must :)

Of course there was only a single speaker in the entire store at 75% off, whatever - I expected that. Ended up getting 4 Paradigm Studio 20's V. 4 in Rosewood for $1400 (Canadian, before taxes). Only wanted 3 but they wouldn't split them up - I already have a pair of Studio 60's. Not sure yet if I'll sell or hold onto the spare.

Not sure if I got that great of a deal (anyone know?) but I'm excited to bring them home once they arrive :)

guys, I dunno if I shd regret or not. can you shine me some light?

I just got a 5.1 paradigm from a local dealer, all in 1550. here are the spec:

Front: Monitor 7 v6
Center: CC-190 (yes I know...it's cheap tho?)
Surround: Cinema ADP (I want small size..but would I lose too much on this Cinema??)
SW: PDR-8

Somehow I really think this is overprice at 1550 (tax incl)...what do you think?? maybe I shd (or could?) refund it and got it somewhere?

Quick question...

I've got a chance to pickup some S6 v2's at a great price and I'm wondering if I could get some input from some signature owners. I was told by my local dealer that the S6 is more of a large S4 than a little S8...which bums me out. Not that the S4 isn't a good speaker, but I'm really trying to achieve the incredible sound of the S8 at a lower price. The room will be small->medium sized and I'll also likely pickup the C3 and continue to use my HSU sub and drive it with my Marantz AV8003/MM8003.

The industry reviews are overwhelmingly positive on the S8's...but little is said about the S6's.

Any thoughts/comments are appreciated.

Thanks.

Also...any word if they are updating the signature line along with the Studio's this week?

Quick question...

I've got a chance to pickup some S6 v2's at a great price and I'm wondering if I could get some input from some signature owners. I was told by my local dealer that the S6 is more of a large S4 than a little S8...which bums me out. Not that the S4 isn't a good speaker, but I'm really trying to achieve the incredible sound of the S8 at a lower price. The room will be small->medium sized and I'll also likely pickup the C3 and continue to use my HSU sub and drive it with my Marantz AV8003/MM8003.

The industry reviews are overwhelmingly positive on the S8's...but little is said about the S6's.

Any thoughts/comments are appreciated.

Thanks.put it this way you only have to buy the S8 once.

http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/paradigm_signature_s6_v2.htm

put it this way you only have to buy the S8 once.

http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/paradigm_signature_s6_v2.htm

And my wife only needs to divorce me once ;) It's hard enough to convince her the S6's are a "wise" purchase...I'm not even bringing up the S8's...

And my wife only needs to divorce me once ;) It's hard enough to convince her the S6's are a "wise" purchase...I'm not even bringing up the S8's...
True, but every man has to have their THING. we all know we could be out doing other things. the way i see it HT stuff keep the man at home.

Hi all, I was looking at getting the CC-690 center speaker and the dealer gave me a price of $1040+tax(only have one a/v store 3hrs away). Is this a fair price or is there still room to move?Thanks in advance!

Hi all, I was looking at getting the CC-690 center speaker and the dealer gave me a price of $1040+tax(only have one a/v store 3hrs away). Is this a fair price or is there still room to move?Thanks in advance!Great price
http://www.sigtheater.com/prod_list.asp?nav=qtype&mcid=2&scid=7&qcid=113

I have the opportunity to buy a mint condition pair of Bird's-eye maple S-4s for $1800.00. The dealer is describing them as mint condition as I have not seen, nor heard them. To me, if these speakers are truly in this good of shape, then this is a great price, isn't it? Also, how old could these speakers be at this point, meaning when did Paradigm start making them? Also, if I purchase a new C3 to go with them, should I be concerned about the age of the S4s matching timbre with the new C3?

I've got 4 ADP-590's for side and rear surrounds in my soon-to-be home theater 7.1 setup. I'm mounting the sides to pillars at ear-level, relatively close to the primary seating. It's the mounting location for the rears that I'm having difficulty with; the back of the room will contain a bar area and a door to a storage room. Putting the -590's on stands somewhere near the bar is one option, but they would be somewhat in the way. Another option I'm considering is to fabricate some sort of mounting boards that would descend from the ceiling, on which I would hang the -590's. The issues with this setup would be L-R separation could be no more than 6-7 ft, plus they would be substantially above seated ear level. Any opinions on these options?

I've got 4 ADP-590's for side and rear surrounds in my soon-to-be home theater 7.1 setup. I'm mounting the sides to pillars at ear-level, relatively close to the primary seating. It's the mounting location for the rears that I'm having difficulty with; the back of the room will contain a bar area and a door to a storage room. Putting the -590's on stands somewhere near the bar is one option, but they would be somewhat in the way. Another option I'm considering is to fabricate some sort of mounting boards that would decend from the ceiling, on which I would hang the -590's. The issues with this setup would be L-R separation could be no more than 6-7 ft, plus they would be substantially above seated ear level. Any opinions on these options?

Typically, direct firings are considered best for the rears in 7.1. ADP 590s for the side and directs for the back. You might be better exchanging one set of 590s for atoms or mini monitors or something like that.

Quick question...

I've got a chance to pickup some S6 v2's at a great price and I'm wondering if I could get some input from some signature owners. I was told by my local dealer that the S6 is more of a large S4 than a little S8...which bums me out. Not that the S4 isn't a good speaker, but I'm really trying to achieve the incredible sound of the S8 at a lower price. The room will be small->medium sized and I'll also likely pickup the C3 and continue to use my HSU sub and drive it with my Marantz AV8003/MM8003.

The industry reviews are overwhelmingly positive on the S8's...but little is said about the S6's.

Any thoughts/comments are appreciated.

Thanks.

Also...any word if they are updating the signature line along with the Studio's this week?

I demo'd them side by side, and there is nothing lacking with the S6's, if you don't have a really large room and you are planning on running a sub then I would be thrilled with the s6's for mains... the S6's are 3 ways and the S4's are 2.5 way, a very nice step up with better midrange clarity from the dedicated driver. I love my S4's but would trade them in a heartbeat for a pair of S6's in my bedroom.

I have an enormous room for my studio 100's, but I will be updating them to S8's in the future for sure.



I have the opportunity to buy a mint condition pair of Bird's-eye maple S-4s for $1800.00. The dealer is describing them as mint condition as I have not seen, nor heard them. To me, if these speakers are truly in this good of shape, then this is a great price, isn't it? Also, how old could these speakers be at this point, meaning when did Paradigm start making them? Also, if I purchase a new C3 to go with them, should I be concerned about the age of the S4s matching timbre with the new C3?

So your saying he's offering you a set of the .v1 s4's and your looking to add a .v2 c3 to complete the front... Personally I think that may be a bit high in price, the stands better be included.... There are a number of S4's and C3's on audiogon for less then that... $1300 for a pair of cherry.

The .v2 is much smoother overall, and I personally wouldn't mix them, you would be struggling with the tweeter and mid differences. The .v2 tweeter is so much nicer.

Version 3 Studio series owner here. I have 60s for the fronts and a CC470. I am currently using a Denon 3803 as my receiver and am considering an upgrade in power more than anything.

Can anyone attest to an upgrade to something like an Anthem MCA50 being worth the $1000 it will cost me via Audiogon? Any other suggestions? I am using these speakers in a relatively small room as well. My usage is about 50/50 for music and movies.

Thanks.

What kind of discount does everyone receive from their local Paradigm/Anthem reseller? My guy gives 20% off sticker. Just wondering what kind of deals can be had.

Thanks.

That's pretty typical, and probably better than average (more like 15%).

is $1250 for monitor 9's and cc-290 v5 new a good price? the cc-390 is an extra $150 so I'm looking at $1400 which is probably better (canadian dollars). I don't know what other dealers sell these for since then next paradigm dealer is 300kms away.

*Potentially Stupid Question Alert*

I have a pair of Studio 60's V.3s and I have 2 pairs of Studio 20 V.4s en route. In a 5.1 setup would you:

1. Keep the 60's as the left/right and fill in the center/surrounds with the 20's, or
2. Move one of the 60's to the center and use the 20's for left/right/surround

To answer the obvious question or why not simply go 6.1: there simply is no room for a rear speaker.

I'm leaning towards option 1 as the "obvious" choice but since most dialog comes from the center channel I'm somewhat unsure which way is "best". In the end I'll probably be running them all small anyway since I'll be getting a subwoofer but any insight would be awesome.

*Potentially Stupid Question Alert*

I have a pair of Studio 60's V.3s and I have 2 pairs of Studio 20 V.4s en route. In a 5.1 setup would you:

1. Keep the 60's as the left/right and fill in the center/surrounds with the 20's, or
2. Move one of the 60's to the center and use the 20's for left/right/surround

To answer the obvious question or why not simply go 6.1: there simply is no room for a rear speaker.

I'm leaning towards option 1 as the "obvious" choice but since most dialog comes from the center channel I'm somewhat unsure which way is "best". In the end I'll probably be running them all small anyway since I'll be getting a subwoofer but any insight would be awesome.

I am assuming you just bought the 20s which are on the way. My question is why didn't you buy a center channel? Don't move one of the 60s to the center and degrade your front stage.

Because horizontal center channels are a compromise in sound quality in exchange for placement options.

I opted for vertical speakers all-round, which I can do since I'm going the projection route and putting them behind a an acoustically transparent screen. There is no degredation of the front stage.

Does anyone prefer their grilles on or off?

Are grilles just for protection or is their a sonic benefit with them off?

Thanks & Happy New Year!

Does anyone prefer their grilles on or off?

Are grilles just for protection or is their a sonic benefit with them off?

Thanks & Happy New Year!

Check question #15 http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/tech_faq/

I like showing them off for just a bit but the grilles go back on when its time to party!

20% off Sale at my local dealer. I finally pulled the trigger and ordered four Studio 20s v4, and CC 590.

Well, I guess I'll chime in here.

I've had my Paradigm's for almost 10 years now (will be in 2009) and they still sound great.

F: Studio 40's
C: Studio CC (no further model info)
Rears: Titans
Sub: PS-1000

I originally bought this set up on a budget with the plans of upgrading the sub and rears, but I've not had the need to do this, mainly because I've not lived anywhere with anywhere that had anything near an optimal listening environment. Also I just have too many expensive hobbies and not nearly enough money for them all... :)

Anyway powering this is my just as old Marantz SR8000 receiver.

I don't hardly use my CD changer any more (it's an even older Carver 10 disk cartridge type change - I forget the model but it's not from the good Carver years) since I typically use my Samsung BD-P2550 if I want to listen to a CD. However I typically listen to MP3 via a PC I have connected to the receiver via SPDIF.

From the same era is my dual cassette deck. Again, it's a Carver unit from the same era as the CD changer and pretty much just collects dust these days. Not much use for it any longer. I think it's more of a museum piece at this point. :D

I also have a Sony MiniDisc recorder connected. Again I just don't recall the model as I hardly ever use it, but it's there!! ;)

I don't know why I keep this stuff connected. I think maybe to show the younger generation that this stuff actually existed. :rolleyes:

Anyway, back to this century, I have an Xbox 360 connected to handly my Hi-Def gaming needs (mostly Rockband as I typically use a PC for FPS gaming).

Picture is provided by my Mitsu 55" rear projection Hi-Def TV. I don't recall the model off the top of my head as it's a few years old (about 4) and has worked flawlessly since I bought it.

So there you have it. Quite a mix of components. I'm currently looking towards updating my AV receiver once I get my tax returns or yearly bonus. I'm looking at various receivers, but am most interested in the Marantz SR6003 or the Denon 2309CI for the lower price point (around $750), Denon 2809CI in the middle of my budget range ($1000) or the Denon 3808CI and the Integra DTR-8.9 in the upper end of my price range ($1500ish).

Because horizontal center channels are a compromise in sound quality in exchange for placement options.

I opted for vertical speakers all-round, which I can do since I'm going the projection route and putting them behind a an acoustically transparent screen. There is no degredation of the front stage.

Oh, well that changes everything! If you can swing it, why don't you get another 60 to match your fronts to use as the center? Taking the 60s down for the 20s I think would be a significant blow to your front stage. With 60s as your front, left and center would be an awesome setup!

What kind of amplification are you using?

I love my Paradigm Studio 60's. I have them matched with the large center ( dont remember the name of it ) and then i have matched in-ceiling rears. I know.. the in-ceiling thing isnt great but i had not choice. Finally I have an old AR 12" subwoofer. I keep wondering if maybe i need a new subwoofer since its the oldest piece in my home audio puzzle. Just bought a Pioneer Elite SC-07, still havent hooked it up yet.. hope to tonight and tomorrow.

The 60's have been used daily for hours a day for over 3 years now. Music, movies and just regular TV. They have been extremely solid and and cant recommend them enough!

is $1250 for monitor 9's and cc-290 v5 new a good price? the cc-390 is an extra $150 so I'm looking at $1400 which is probably better (canadian dollars). I don't know what other dealers sell these for since then next paradigm dealer is 300kms away.

I paid $399 cdn for my v5 Titans and $299 cdn for my v5 cc 290.

I have some Studio 20s v.2 - does anyone know where I can find the specs for this version (sensitivity, etc)?

This may help you. Not sure if this is the v.2 but had this saved away in 2004 so it might be. Catalog is from 2003.

I paid $399 cdn for my v5 Titans and $299 cdn for my v5 cc 290.

That's better than what he quoted me - $375 for the CC-290 and said that I could've gotten it a bit lower in the fall but they raised their catalog prices in October because of our dollar. Is that bs? Did you just get yours recently?

I told him I was also lookin at Polk speakers and he lowered my total by another $100. So I've got the CC-390 and Monitor 9's ordered for $1300 which he said is a little over 30% off of the catalog price. For $50 more than my original quote i get the bigger center speaker so I guess I'm pretty happy with the price he gave me.. My budget was $1400.

Now the wait... 2nd week of January seems so far from now..

They are closing out stock of last models products to make way for the .v6.

They will always give ya a song and dance to benefit their sales...

That's better than what he quoted me - $375 for the CC-290 and said that I could've gotten it a bit lower in the fall but they raised their catalog prices in October because of our dollar. Is that bs? Did you just get yours recently?

I told him I was also lookin at Polk speakers and he lowered my total by another $100. So I've got the CC-390 and Monitor 9's ordered for $1300 which he said is a little over 30% off of the catalog price. For $50 more than my original quote i get the bigger center speaker so I guess I'm pretty happy with the price he gave me.. My budget was $1400.

Now the wait... 2nd week of January seems so far from now..


under budget and with the 390......you did good.

let us all know how they are when you get them, I am sure you will be quite happy.
I am surprised that they can still order v5's, the v6's have been out for a while now.
how were the v5 prices compared to v6?

under budget and with the 390......you did good.

let us all know how they are when you get them, I am sure you will be quite happy.
I am surprised that they can still order v5's, the v6's have been out for a while now.
how were the v5 prices compared to v6?

Sorry my mistake, I just checked with my sales rep and they are the v6s. I don't know how much different they are I've only listened to the v5's. I'm guessing they'll sound just as good, hopefully even a bit better.
I'm using a YAMAHA 6190(rxv1800) which should be perfect for these I can't wait to get em!!:D

I'll post again once I've broken them in a bit. My surrounds are a bit off (polk monitor 50's sides and klipsch s-1 rears) from my first setup but I'll upgrade later hopefully depending on my wife:confused:

Hi,
I'm looking for rear bi-pole or di-pole speakers that are compatable with my Paradigm studio 60s. I'd like to go with a lower cost brand still want them to be compatable with Paradigm. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Hrmm, so does that mean there is no upgrade path from v.4 within the paradigm line unless you do the whole soundstage at once? Anyone have direct experience with the 390 matched with other v.4s?


For anyone else pondering this, I went ahead and got the 390 v.5 and paired with my Monitor 11 v.4 and adp 390s. It sounds great; the dialogue out of the cc-390 seems to mesh well with the other sounds, not to mention it kicks out a fair amount of chest-thump during gunfire scenes, etc.

A question for the Techsperts.
I have a Paradigm Studio v3 setup 40's and cc570
I wanted to get surrounds as I have been using Atoms till now.
I just got a pair of Millenia ADP's as they appear to have very similar drivers to the Studio v3 speakers.
They seem to blend really well but 1 of them seems to have a problem.
One speaker is quieter than the other!:confused:
I am not talking about setup because when I swapped the speaker to the other side it was quiet on the other side. The wiring was kept the same so the issue must be the speaker.
Any ideas
Knights of Ni

Curious what the going rate is out there on some S8 v2's...

curious what the going rate is out there on some s8 v2's...
6500-7000

Alright, I have recently started research toward upgrading my current speaker system and was wondering how the versions worked with these speakers. I have looked extensively at Paradigm's website and have not seen anything regarding this. What version are the Studio 60's currently in? When will a new version appear? How much do the speakers change from version to version? Sorry if this has been discussed in any previous posts but I dont feel up to reading over 9000 post with my current post New Years Eve hangover.

Thanks

This version of Studio's is currently .v4, and has been out for just a touch over a year, and was hardly changed sonically from .v3 IMO, I A/B'd them together at the time of purchase last January.

Paradigm recently announced the .v5 with a full curved cabinet change with real wood veneers which look very nice.... heres a thread for you to look through...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061034

New .v5 pic
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=118962&d=1220643285
.v4 pic
http://www.gibbysaudiovideo.com/images/paradigm_studio100.jpg

.v3 pic
http://www.avhaja.co.kr/shop/upload/mall/Studio%20100%20V3.jpg

I agree with Warpdrv if there is a difference in sound on the v3 to v4
my ears are not good enough to hear it now with the crossover and cabinet change there could be a noticeable change in the v5 as soon as
the dealers have them I'm sure this thread will pick up pace.

Thanks for the explanation. What are yall's thoughts on the 60s vs the 100s? Worth the extra $? Does the new 60 truly have an extra bass driver? Whats is the general consensus on which center best matches the 60s?

my local dealer advised me to use ESPIRIT on wall, to replace my Studio 60s, possibly?

Thanks for the explanation. What are yall's thoughts on the 60s vs the 100s? Worth the extra $? Does the new 60 truly have an extra bass driver? Whats is the general consensus on which center best matches the 60s?


Personally, I would hold off for more information to surface about the new .v5. The new rounded cabinets will offer a greater performance with better back wave cancellation over the square build.
If they are going the route of the Sig S6's then the 60's will likely be a 3 way instead of the 2 1/2 way design. I have the S4's and I'm very happy with the 2 1/2 way, but would switch for a dedicated 3 way in the S6's over my S4's if they offered my rosewood finish....

How would you guys compare a pair of Paradigm atoms against a pair of Ascend Acoustics 170SE?

If this has been asked, I apologize!

Anyone think it would be a bad Idea to set a 50 inch Kuro on top of a Paradigm cc690 center channel? The cc690 seems like its built like a tank.

If this has been asked, I apologize!

Anyone think it would be a bad Idea to set a 50 inch Kuro on top of a Paradigm cc690 center channel? The cc690 seems like its built like a tank.

Shouldn't be a problem. I know Warp and others have done this, and I currently have a Mitsubishi 65734 DLP sitting on top of mine.