For a pair of surrounds, which do you guys think would better match a set up that has Monitor 9's for front, a PS-1200 sub, a Studio 470 center. Price for used stuff is about the same, so that isn't much of an issue.

Now let me complicate it: Good chance I'll upgrade the 9's to 60's or 100s when I find a smokin' good deal. I Might migrate to a 570 on the center too under same circumstance. I'm not SUPER picky about audio fidelity, so I doubt I would push into the Studio line for the surrounds if this happens.

BTW: Surrounds will need to be in or dang close to the back corner of my listening room too; Paradigm tech guys said I'd need 18" off back wall to use ADPs, so that's why I'm asking about directional speakers for the surrounds.

Bwahahaha! I feel like I cheated, but I'm officially in the 'club' now!

I found a gent on craigslist who was getting rid of his older Paradigm Monitor 5's to upgrade/baby-proof his house, and I was fortunate enough to be the first caller. So now I have two pretty, 'new' speakers sitting in my living room, filling it with glorious sound! All for practically a song :D.

Not as good as a lot of the shiny setups I see here, but I'm darn proud of getting it before leaving college!

Hello!
First time Paradigm owner here.

I gotta say I absolutely love the sound that Paradigm speakers produce. I ended up buying a pair of Millenia 200 towers. The dealer matched a closeout price of 848/pair so I had to grab them at that price. Also purchased a Millenia 20 for use as a matched center channel when in home theater mode.

I'm curently running:
Millenia 200 towers for front R and L
Millenia 20 for center channel duty.

While these do benefit from a sub to pick up the lower ends (Im saving for one now) they can still hold their own very well without. The mids and highs these speakers put out really define my music choices.

Any other Millenia owners out there?

Hello!
First time Paradigm owner here.

I gotta say I absolutely love the sound that Paradigm speakers produce. I ended up buying a pair of Millenia 200 towers. The dealer matched a closeout price of 848/pair so I had to grab them at that price. Also purchased a Millenia 20 for use as a matched center channel when in home theater mode.

I'm curently running:
Millenia 200 towers for front R and L
Millenia 20 for center channel duty.

While these do benefit from a sub to pick up the lower ends (Im saving for one now) they can still hold their own very well without. The mids and highs these speakers put out really define my music choices.

Any other Millenia owners out there?look into the DSP3400 ive heard nothing but good things http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/subwoofer-dsp-dsp3400-model-5-24-4-19.paradigm
http://www.paradigm.com/images/paradigm/speaker_type_5/series_24/model_19/dsp3400_2_off.jpg

osofast,

Thanks....I'll see if my local Paradigm dealer has it in stock. That's a really sharp design....if it sounds half as good as it looks I can't go wrong.

Hey guys , I hope someone could help me out.. I've had a new CC-390 center for about a week now and notice that at around -20db on certain movies the dialogue seems to get distorted. I am using a Yamaha 6190 (rxv1800) which is 910 watts(130 watts per channel). Is this receiver not giving enough to my center or could it be a problem with my speaker.

Thanks in advace to anyone that could help

osofast,

Thanks....I'll see if my local Paradigm dealer has it in stock. That's a really sharp design....if it sounds half as good as it looks I can't go wrong.

I am sure it costs more than an PC12-nsd from svs... Just a suggestion.

Hey guys , I hope someone could help me out.. I've had a new CC-390 center for about a week now and notice that at around -20db on certain movies the dialogue seems to get distorted. I am using a Yamaha 6190 (rxv1800) which is 910 watts(130 watts per channel). Is this receiver not giving enough to my center or could it be a problem with my speaker.

Thanks in advace to anyone that could help

My guess is it's the Yamaha. I assume you're driving other speakers with it? And is -20db loud or quiet for your setup? (I'm assuming loud)

Remember that 130W/channel x 7 channels does *not* equal 910W, unless it's a mono-block design, which the Yamaha isn't.

You're working from a single transformer, which means the total power output is limited, whether that's all going out a single channel, or spread across all of them. And the Studio's (I assume you're using a Studio setup?) need a lot of power, especially at lower frequencies where the resistance can drop to 2 ohms.

Anyway, I had to make a bunch of assumptions, but if they're right, it's likely the Yamaha is just way underpowered for your setup.

My guess is it's the Yamaha. I assume you're driving other speakers with it? And is -20db loud or quiet for your setup? (I'm assuming loud)

Remember that 130W/channel x 7 channels does *not* equal 910W, unless it's a mono-block design, which the Yamaha isn't.

You're working from a single transformer, which means the total power output is limited, whether that's all going out a single channel, or spread across all of them. And the Studio's (I assume you're using a Studio setup?) need a lot of power, especially at lower frequencies where the resistance can drop to 2 ohms.

Anyway, I had to make a bunch of assumptions, but if they're right, it's likely the Yamaha is just way underpowered for your setup.


Thanks for the quick reply. I'm actually using the monitor series (vs Monitor 11's, CC-390 and ADP-390 - 7 speakers total). So it looks like I might need an amp to power my fronts? I will try connecting a Monitor 11 to the center to see if it could be the speaker wire but I doubt that could be the problem. Thanks for the help again and if anyone has any other ideas, please let me know. Thanks.

I am planning on getting another studio 20 to use as a center with my studio 20 v3 left and rights. I am totally stumped as to whether I should get a new 20 v4, or a used 20 v3. There's two ways to look at it. Another v3 would obvously be the closest match to my left and rights sonically, but does the v4 sound noticeably better? Is it a big enough improvement to override the fact that it might not match up AS perfectly as with the v3's as another v3 would? I know the center takes the brunt of a movie soundtrack, so I want the best possible speaker I can have in that possition, but I cant decide which is more important, an exact match, or a speaker that will no doubt be a very close match, but may sound slightly better? If anyone has any advice it would be really appreciated. (especially if you have experience with both the v3 and v4.)

Couple of questions to all the Paradigm experts out there:

I'm replacing a set of Vandersteen 1b's and a Vandersteen center. The reason is primarily for aesthetics. I've grown tired of the Vandersteen look over the course of the last 18 years or so that I've had the Vandersteens.

Anyhow, I'm looking at the following:

Used Dynaudio Contour 1.3 (well used, probably 5 years old?)....probably around $1200-$1400

Barely used Signature S2, v1.....$1500

Lightly used Studio 40, v4......$not sure, but dealer said "good deal" to make room for v5....not my favorite finish choice and a bit larger than I'd like.

I've listened to the Studios.....I liked them. Haven't listened to the S2 (local dealer doesn't have em). The Dyns sound great played loud, but lose a bit of their magic played at reasonable levels. The Studios image beautifully and seem very detailed.

I use a Bryston amp and preamp/processor, and a Mirage SW. I plan on upgrading my center and surrounds to match whatever mains I decide on. I listen to 50% stereo music, and 50% theater. Mostly rock and jazz for music.

I'm leaning towards the used s2's. I love the look, and I think the price is good, but my questions:

1. Is $1500 indeed a good price for barely used S2 v1 pair.
2. Is there much difference between the v1 and v2 S2
3. I haven't actually heard the s2, but can I assume its equal to or better than the Studio 40?

Thanks a bunch everyone.

Fabian

Hello Guys,

Could someone comment on the difference between the Monitor 11 v 5 and v 6? I just ordered a new cc-390 and will be ordering the Monitor 11's within the next week. My local dealer has quoted them to me for $1400, but I just found a pair of v5 for $850. This could save me a lot of money obviously and I could use the difference to buy me a new Emotiva XPA-3 I've been wanting. Im just curious to what the differences are, purley cosmetic or are these some internal differences? Different crossover perhaps? Thanks!

I'm leaning towards the used s2's. I love the look, and I think the price is good, but my questions:

1. Is $1500 indeed a good price for barely used S2 v1 pair.
2. Is there much difference between the v1 and v2 S2
3. I haven't actually heard the s2, but can I assume its equal to or better than the Studio 40?

Thanks a bunch everyone.

Fabian

Hey Fabian..... I think you may be able to do a bit better on the price of the S2 v1.

Have you looked at Audiogon for any of the used Signature stuff...
I bought a New in Box (never opened) pair of S4 v1 for $2K with Stands, but they were the discontinued Rosewood - truly gorgeous !!!

The S2 IMO will beat out the Studio 40 in SQ and SPL.

The new .v2 Sigs to me are a whole new step up the ladder, the tweeter is much sweeter to a point they are extremely close to the twinkle of a well implemented ribbon tweet, without the lack of dispersion or focus.

I was truly blown away by the S6 and S8 v2 when I auditioned them, having the S4 v1, which I think is a phenomenal speaker. Best speaker I have ever owned to date...... I look forward to upgrading my Studio 100's to the S8 v2 in the near future...

Not sure what your color choice is, there is a pair of S4's v1 in Piano Black on Audiogon... http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1237582743&/paradigm-s4-signiture

I can attest to the fantastic SQ, wide sound stage, and performance, I run mine with a C3 center 500wpc IcePower and JL F112.....

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm actually using the monitor series (vs Monitor 11's, CC-390 and ADP-390 - 7 speakers total). So it looks like I might need an amp to power my fronts? I will try connecting a Monitor 11 to the center to see if it could be the speaker wire but I doubt that could be the problem. Thanks for the help again and if anyone has any other ideas, please let me know. Thanks.

I'm assuming that you have set your channel levels using an SPL meter or with the auto set-up. If yes, then -20 is about a medium volume level and shouldn't be too much trouble for the Yammy. It could be the amp, but it could also be a blown driver in the center.

Disconnect all of your other speakers and play the center alone. This will give you the full 130 watts to the center, which is more than enough to reach a high volume level. If the distorsion goes away, you are underpowered. If you still get distorsion, connect the center to the right channel speaker cable and try again. If the distorsion goes away, you have a bad amp channel. If it stays, there is a good chance that the speaker is blown. The only way to know is to try another amp.

I'm assuming that you have set your channel levels using an SPL meter or with the auto set-up. If yes, then -20 is about a medium volume level and shouldn't be too much trouble for the Yammy. It could be the amp, but it could also be a blown driver in the center.

Disconnect all of your other speakers and play the center alone. This will give you the full 130 watts to the center, which is more than enough to reach a high volume level. If the distorsion goes away, you are underpowered. If you still get distorsion, connect the center to the right channel speaker cable and try again. If the distorsion goes away, you have a bad amp channel. If it stays, there is a good chance that the speaker is blown. The only way to know is to try another amp.

Thanks, actually that's exactly what I did before reading this - I hooked my center up to the right channel and get the same sound. I listed up close at a lower volume and figured out it was one of the middle 4 inch drivers. It wasn't always producing sound and when it did, it was distorted. I will be taking it back to my dealer so hopefully turnaround time isn't too long or maybe they'll loan me one from the store but I doubt it.

Thanks again.

New Paradigm owner.
Just picked up a pair of 7se MK 3's for $40 bucks. MINT condition!

Guy (an older guy around 65) who sold them said one of the towers didn't work. Took it apart and found a wire was loose. All good!

test,

Hello Guys,

Could someone comment on the difference between the Monitor 11 v 5 and v 6? I just ordered a new cc-390 and will be ordering the Monitor 11's within the next week. My local dealer has quoted them to me for $1400, but I just found a pair of v5 for $850. This could save me a lot of money obviously and I could use the difference to buy me a new Emotiva XPA-3 I've been wanting. Im just curious to what the differences are, purley cosmetic or are these some internal differences? Different crossover perhaps? Thanks!

I think most of the differences between the Monitor V5 and V6 are aesthetic.

BTW: Surrounds will need to be in or dang close to the back corner of my listening room too; Paradigm tech guys said I'd need 18" off back wall to use ADPs, so that's why I'm asking about directional speakers for the surrounds.

I have ADP190's mounted on the wall directly behind my couch and I think it sounds great. I have the couch sitting about 8-10 inches from the wall and I did have to increase the levels of the surrounds a bit, but they sound wonderful.

I am planning on getting another studio 20 to use as a center with my studio 20 v3 left and rights. I am totally stumped as to whether I should get a new 20 v4, or a used 20 v3. There's two ways to look at it. Another v3 would obvously be the closest match to my left and rights sonically, but does the v4 sound noticeably better? Is it a big enough improvement to override the fact that it might not match up AS perfectly as with the v3's as another v3 would? I know the center takes the brunt of a movie soundtrack, so I want the best possible speaker I can have in that possition, but I cant decide which is more important, an exact match, or a speaker that will no doubt be a very close match, but may sound slightly better? If anyone has any advice it would be really appreciated. (especially if you have experience with both the v3 and v4.)


I came across an older studio 20 v3 vs. v4 thread, and, while overall it was a toss up, a couple people commented on the v4s reproducing voices better. One guy said "voices on the v4 sounded noticeably much better"

Can anyone attest to this? If this is the case than it might just be worth it to go with the v4 as my center even though it might not blend perfectly with my v3 left and rights.

Anyone here used a v3 as a center? How is the dialog intelligibility?

[QUOTE=nickwin;15631731]I came across an older studio 20 v3 vs. v4 thread, and, while overall it was a toss up, a couple people commented on the v4s reproducing voices better. One guy said "voices on the v4 sounded noticeably much better"

I've listened to both v.3 and v.4, v4 sounded much better, tweeter not too fatiguing like v.3. even during med volume listening.

[QUOTE=marcopulos;15632500] I've listened to both v.3 and v.4, v4 sounded much better, tweeter not too fatiguing like v.3. even during med volume listening.[/QUOTETE]

Do you think the v4's sounded different enough that they wouldn't match up right with v3 left and rights if used as a center?

Anyone know if the Titan monitors have dual binding posts ?

And is there any pictures of these titans on this thread ?

Do you think the v4's sounded different enough that they wouldn't match up right with v3 left and rights if used as a center?[/QUOTE]

They still match up nicely, I'll grab v4 quick before they're gone & replaced by v5 :)

Not a Millenia owner, but I wanted to say you can get a nice used Paradigm sub for approximately 35 - 50% of typical new street price if you are willing to go back a version or two. I paid $275 for a PS-1200 and it works fine.

Thanks Tomberg.

Where would one look to find these deals? :)

Do you think the v4's sounded different enough that they wouldn't match up right with v3 left and rights if used as a center?

They still match up nicely, I'll grab v4 quick before they're gone & replaced by v5 :)[/QUOTE]

If you're asking if a cc590/690 will match up with a v3 studio left/left right. Then I think you are fine. My buddy has the studio 100's v3 and a cc690 and it sound great.

I had decided to go with the v3 before the v4 came out and I was prepared to buy the 60's, center, and adps.(after a couple of months of demo'ing) When I went in my local shop to buy them, they had just received and set of the Studio 60's v4 so I was able to listen to v3 and v 4 side by side. I found it an easy decision to choose the v4 - Sound improvement ++ aesthetics +++

One thing to remember is that room acoustics plays a BIG role in this department. My system has never sounded as good as the show room, but it doesn't suck.

DN

For a pair of surrounds, which do you guys think would better match a set up that has Monitor 9's for front, a PS-1200 sub, a Studio 470 center. Price for used stuff is about the same, so that isn't much of an issue.

Now let me complicate it: Good chance I'll upgrade the 9's to 60's or 100s when I find a smokin' good deal. I Might migrate to a 570 on the center too under same circumstance. I'm not SUPER picky about audio fidelity, so I doubt I would push into the Studio line for the surrounds if this happens.

BTW: Surrounds will need to be in or dang close to the back corner of my listening room too; Paradigm tech guys said I'd need 18" off back wall to use ADPs, so that's why I'm asking about directional speakers for the surrounds.

Still hoping somebody out there can comment on Titan's vs. 7's

Anyone know if the Titan monitors have dual binding posts ?

And is there any pictures of these titans on this thread ?

my Titan v5's only have a single pair of binding posts.
there are some pics in here , but only of the front of the speaker.

Hello Guys,

Could someone comment on the difference between the Monitor 11 v 5 and v 6? I just ordered a new cc-390 and will be ordering the Monitor 11's within the next week. My local dealer has quoted them to me for $1400, but I just found a pair of v5 for $850. This could save me a lot of money obviously and I could use the difference to buy me a new Emotiva XPA-3 I've been wanting. Im just curious to what the differences are, purley cosmetic or are these some internal differences? Different crossover perhaps? Thanks!

the v6's use a slightly different crossover and the front bolts are now nickel plated instead of black. IMO not much of a difference considering the price.

Hey i just got a cc570v3 last week and im quite happy
now i need the left/right and a sub but i have a budget
here the two option i can afford
i already have speaker stand and surround that will do the job for now

1.) studio 20v3 + JL audio fathom f112 (yeah i have an unreal deal on the f112)
2.) studio 60v3 + dsp 3100 ( or any sub in the 500-600$ range)

there no such thing as get the 60s now and the JL later is 1 or 2
room is 20x17 i never listen 2ch music its always multichanel 20% music 50% movie 30% tv my reciver is a Harman kardon avr 445

so what you guy think ?

both setup cost almost the same for me ( 2300$ give or take )

I would personally go rout number one. The Fathom is an AWESOME subwoofer. When paired with a nice sub like that the studio 20's will sound very similar to the 60's IMO.

I have a question to...

Would anyone here sell Studio 60 v.3's and get studio 20 v.5's?

I have a pb13-ultra if that helps and mostly liosten to 5.1 surround

I have a question to...

Would anyone here sell Studio 60 v.3's and get studio 20 v.5's?

I have a pb13-ultra if that helps and mostly liosten to 5.1 surround

You already have these and know what they sound like so grab your favorite
piece of music go to the dealer and demo because truthfully only your ears
will be able to tell the difference.

Still hoping somebody out there can comment on Titan's vs. 7's

Anything of the same version in the Monitor line is going to blend well.

I have a question to...

Would anyone here sell Studio 60 v.3's and get studio 20 v.5's?

I have a pb13-ultra if that helps and mostly liosten to 5.1 surround
I wouldn't unless you want to bring the speakers off the floor and/or need smaller ones for some reason. But as for the sound, there's no reason to "downgrade" (despite the new version).

I have a question to...

Would anyone here sell Studio 60 v.3's and get studio 20 v.5's?

I have a pb13-ultra if that helps and mostly liosten to 5.1 surround

How much you gonna sell the 60s for? That will influence my answer to you. :D

I could use a set of those in the downstairs theater. :)

.

Hi all. I'm back with more questions. My room mate and I have moved to a new city, and we're looking at setting up a new home theater area. I know I want to stick with Paradigms, I'm just not sure whether I want to go with Monitors or Studios. I know new Studios are coming out and I think I'd prefer the design of the older Studio 60s because I believe the new ones have smaller drivers...

so with that in mind, the setups I've been comparing are:
Studio 60 fronts, Studio 20 surrounds, CC-590 center channel.
Monitor 7 fronts, Mini Monitor surrounds, CC-290 center channel.

I already own a CC-290 but I'd be willing to sell it, or relegate it to a different setup somewhere. Either set-up will be paired with an SVS PB-12 Plus, if necessary I'll move up to an Ultra for the Studio series to mesh with.

Main concern is in the amp area. I'm more than likely going to match either setup with a Denon, and was looking at a 2809. I've heard the Studio series and, while I'm confident it will be enough for the Monitors, if I need to upgrade to a 3808 or something like that then I'm not sure if it will be justified, the setup will be basically twice as expensive.

Any thoughts on the issue are appreciated. My worry is that if I don't get the Studios I'll regret it later.

That what i was thinking thx for the input :)

I would personally go rout number one. The Fathom is an AWESOME subwoofer. When paired with a nice sub like that the studio 20's will sound very similar to the 60's IMO.

bump from subs:
I have a pair of Paradigm Studio 60v4's mated with an Ultracube 12. Receiver is an Integra DTR 9.9. My room is 16x12 but more importantly the house is 1620 sq ft open plan with high vaulted celings. The system is new (Dec. '08) so it's just breaking in and the Studio's are amazing mated with this reciever. Howver, the bass from the Ultracube 12, although adequately musical with good finesse, it's just not enough "kick in the pants" on the kick drum, etc. I am 80% music and 20% HT btw. I have blended the sub well with my mains at 45-50HZ (talking music only and of course 80hz+ for HT) and the Studios are full range. I really want to stay with Paradigm as I love their stuff and I also want to stay matched. I know SVS, HSU are probably great bargains but my local paradigm dealer gives me 20-25% off so I am good there. Question for you gurus is: should I just get another ultracube 12 and call it a day or perhaps sell my uc 12 and grab a couple seismic 10's off the used market (can be had for around $500-600 each). The other option I have is once again selling my ultracube 12, but then ordering the new Paradigm Sub 12 - man this thing looks hot! But my budget would be strained and I would be forced to run only one sub for a good while if I did that. But I am leaning that way because i want to stay in the reference series for long term picture. Anybody else here run a ultracube 10 or 12 with studio speakers? Would a seismic 10 out slam it and more importantly is it cleaner and more accurate? When I audtioned the uc12 I was amazed at its musical finesse but I didn't realized I was paying extra $ for the small package - I have PLENTY of room for a bigger sub! Damn I just got back in to hobby after 5 years and may have "misfired" on that one.

I have a question to...

Would anyone here sell Studio 60 v.3's and get studio 20 v.5's?

I have a pb13-ultra if that helps and mostly liosten to 5.1 surround

Don't feel bad about that. I picked up v4's in Dec. while oblivious to v5's being a month away from release. I have them bi-amped (passively of course) to my Integra 9.9 and it they sound great! Soundstage is wide and 3-dimensional and the highs are extremely detailed, open, and airy. Mids are great too but they can get slightly harsh in the upper region when I play rock and alternative LOUD but I think that is due to my room acoustics. I have tile throughout! My problem is I think I picked up the wrong sub for my room. The ultracube 12 sounds great but it is just not enough bottom and punch for my big room - at least for my taste. friends that come think I am loco so there you go. To your point, the v5's seem very interesting and that wood veneer is gorgous, but it will be interesting to hear that extra driver and small depth cabinet and how it compares to the deep cabinets that we have. I guess we'll know soon but I can't seem to grasp how Paradigm did all of that and kept the price the same. Amazing.

Okay fellow Paradigm enthusiasts!!! I would love some input...

Room is about 14x16' and I'm about 90%HT 10% music
Setup is:
Pioneer 6010 60" Plasma
Denon 3808
Paradigm DSP-3100 Sub
Pioneer BDP-95FD Blu-Ray
TiVo HD

Choice between getting....

Studio 40 v.4 and CC-590 v.4 Closeout

Or

Studio 20 v.5 and CC-590 v.5 New

My gut says to go with the v.4 setup....more bang for the buck and all.

So I'd appreciate any input, since I might have forgot something or maybe someone has auditioned the Studio V.4 vs V.5 and thought the new one's are superior.

ALSO: I'm not ready to get the Studio ADP's....but I'm not sure what I should get for the rear channel. Suggestions? Monitor ADP's? Atoms, Mini's, or is there something you'd just keep an eye out for on eBay that's a sure bet to match with the Studio's?

Input appreciated!!

I guess we'll know soon but I can't seem to grasp how Paradigm did all of that and kept the price the same. Amazing.

Prices are going up by a pretty large amount on everything but the ADP's

My gut says to go with the v.4 setup....more bang for the buck and all.

Will you have a chance to audition these 2 against each other? I assume your local dealer doesn't have the v5's in yet. Let your ears decide ... if you grab the v4's prior to hearing the v5's, you may be missing out. BEING the addict I am, I'd listen to the new series at some point and could be disappointed. See my post above ... I picked up Studio 60 v4's last month before knowing the v5's were coming. TG I love my v4's but I may have waited had I known. Unlike your situation, my dealer is small so he doesn't carry much on the floor. The advantage of that is I get 20-25% no matter what series it is. The downfall is that I rarely have much to compare it to.:(

Prices are going up by a pretty large amount on everything but the ADP's

Really? I believe my Studio 60 v4's retailed at $1,999. Aren't the v5's listed for the same? I know the 100's went up $200 but I believe the 60's are the same although I could wrong.

Really? I believe my Studio 60 v4's retailed at $1,999. Aren't the v5's listed for the same? I know the 100's went up $200 but I believe the 60's are the same although I could wrong.

I was quoted $1998 for Studio 60 v.5's here in Minneapolis

bump from subs:
I have a pair of Paradigm Studio 60v4's mated with an Ultracube 12. Receiver is an Integra DTR 9.9. My room is 16x12 but more importantly the house is 1620 sq ft open plan with high vaulted celings. The system is new (Dec. '08) so it's just breaking in and the Studio's are amazing mated with this reciever. Howver, the bass from the Ultracube 12, although adequately musical with good finesse, it's just not enough "kick in the pants" on the kick drum, etc. I am 80% music and 20% HT btw. I have blended the sub well with my mains at 45-50HZ (talking music only and of course 80hz+ for HT) and the Studios are full range. I really want to stay with Paradigm as I love their stuff and I also want to stay matched. I know SVS, HSU are probably great bargains but my local paradigm dealer gives me 20-25% off so I am good there. Question for you gurus is: should I just get another ultracube 12 and call it a day or perhaps sell my uc 12 and grab a couple seismic 10's off the used market (can be had for around $500-600 each). The other option I have is once again selling my ultracube 12, but then ordering the new Paradigm Sub 12 - man this thing looks hot! But my budget would be strained and I would be forced to run only one sub for a good while if I did that. But I am leaning that way because i want to stay in the reference series for long term picture. Anybody else here run a ultracube 10 or 12 with studio speakers? Would a seismic 10 out slam it and more importantly is it cleaner and more accurate? When I audtioned the uc12 I was amazed at its musical finesse but I didn't realized I was paying extra $ for the small package - I have PLENTY of room for a bigger sub! Damn I just got back in to hobby after 5 years and may have "misfired" on that one.if you have a chance to dip into a reference series sub go fo it. see if your dealer will do a setup in your house to make sure its enough.

I was quoted $1998 for Studio 60 v.5's here in Minneapolis

Hence the same as the v4's for the 60's. I know they jumped last year so perhaps they did it then to fund a year of R&D. Still, both are a bargain at that but I'm surprised your deale won'r discount. These guys get about 30% and I am sure more if they buy more. I paid $1,600 for my 60v4's but it was part of a system. I also picked up my Integra 9.9 for $2k ($2,600 retail) and UC 12 for about $950.

Will you have a chance to audition these 2 against each other? I assume your local dealer doesn't have the v5's in yet. Let your ears decide ... if you grab the v4's prior to hearing the v5's, you may be missing out. BEING the addict I am, I'd listen to the new series at some point and could be disappointed. See my post above ... I picked up Studio 60 v4's last month before knowing the v5's were coming. TG I love my v4's but I may have waited had I known. Unlike your situation, my dealer is small so he doesn't carry much on the floor. The advantage of that is I get 20-25% no matter what series it is. The downfall is that I rarely have much to compare it to.:(

My dealer was due to get the Studio V.5 speakers in this weekend. So my plan was to do exactly that...go listen to them side-by-side. I was just wondering if anyone had any input or personal preference.

I do envy the 20-25% off....I have to work my sales guy pretty hard to get that....I had to walk out of the store last time when he wouldn't budge on a floor model item and when I got home I had an email saying I could get the price I was asking for. Thanks, the store is only a 40 minute drive each way for me!

if you have a chance to dip into a reference series sub go fo it. see if your dealer will do a setup in your house to make sure its enough.

Thanks for your input! The sub 12 looks powerful ... I just hope it is just as good for music though. I would be more series about trying the SVS ultra but I have not heard that it is for great music ... as with the majority of ported subs. I am searching for a sub that does both stellar and that is difficult to find under $1,500. BTW I can get the sub 12 for $1,600. Would just need to move my uc 12 first.

Hence the same as the v4's for the 60's. I know they jumped last year so perhaps they did it then to fund a year of R&D. Still, both are a bargain at that but I'm surprised your deale won'r discount. These guys get about 30% and I am sure more if they buy more. I paid $1,600 for my 60v4's but it was part of a system. I also picked up my Integra 9.9 for $2k ($2,600 retail) and UC 12 for about $950.

Our Paradigm dealer is not known for deals. Especially since they're the only dealer in Minnesota. 10% is about the average discount I seem to get when I insist.

Sounds like you got some great deals! I really went back and forth between the Integra and the Denon 3808.

Sounds like you got some great deals! I really went back and forth between the Integra and the Denon 3808.

I did but it sure sucks not having allot to compare it to - my dealer is more of a repair shop so he carrys very little in stock. I have to order just about anything I want to listen (without obligation until it goes home w/ me of course). Still, I don't beat these guys up as much as I used to because I want them to stay around. Last thing I want is nothing but mass market stores and internet (non-auditioning) dealers around.

Re: Integra. I compared it to a Denon 2809 which is not really fair but was the best choice at Best Buy that day. Of course I took the Denon back when I was able to get the integra at the discount. Since I am 80% music I wanted a receiver that sounded "close" to seperates. I found it! With that said, the Denon was great at its price point!

Wow my dealer said studio 60 v.5's would be around 2400 and studio 100's around 3400

Wow my dealer said studio 60 v.5's would be around 2400 and studio 100's around 3400

You know maybe I am wrong then. I will try and find that price list I saw yesterday...:confused:

You know maybe I am wrong then. I will try and find that price list I saw yesterday...:confused:

Here you go!

http://bitstream.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2009/01/ces-2009-paradigm-reference-studio.html

Wow my dealer said studio 60 v.5's would be around 2400 and studio 100's around 3400

I went back to my email from my dealer....Studio 60 v.5 msrp is $1998/pr, and he was willing to go about 12% off that price for a pre-order.

I went back to my email from my dealer....Studio 60 v.5 msrp is $1998/pr, and he was willing to go about 12% off that price for a pre-order.


Not bad. If it were me i would go with the 60's all day long. But that's just me because I prefer music critical listening. The 60 has the greatesr revamp in v5 so it may be most improved. Just think ... you get real woods veneers, an extra bass driver x 2, improved cabinets, etc. for the same price as v4. Bu then again I am biased toward floorstanders!:p I know they are a ways up in price but it is more important to do it right the first time .. even it takes longer to put the rest of the system together.;)

Wow my dealer said studio 60 v.5's would be around 2400 and studio 100's around 3400

"It appears" that your dealer may be trying to charge a premium. Are you sure he said this?

This is the system i am thinking of going with.

Paradigm
studio 100 fronts
cc690 center
adp590 surround
studio 20 rear
siesmic 12 or sub 15

anthem
avm 30
mca 50
mca 20

samsung
850
950

not to sure on dvd player or blueray? I am replacing my old pioneer elite system , 15 years old , it has been a while . Listened to pardigm love em !samsung is great ! Anthem not up to speed with there product, any in put would help me .

This is the system i am thinking of going with.

Paradigm
studio 100 fronts
cc690 center
adp590 surround
studio 20 rear
siesmic 12 or sub 15

anthem
avm 30
mca 50
mca 20

samsung
850
950

not to sure on dvd player or blueray? I am replacing my old pioneer elite system , 15 years old , it has been a while . Listened to pardigm love em !samsung is great ! Anthem not up to speed with there product, any in put would help me . THANKS IN ADVANCE

This is the system i am thinking of going with.

Paradigm
studio 100 fronts
cc690 center
adp590 surround
studio 20 rear
siesmic 12 or sub 15

anthem
avm 30
mca 50
mca 20

samsung
850
950

not to sure on dvd player or blueray? I am replacing my old pioneer elite system , 15 years old , it has been a while . Listened to pardigm love em !samsung is great ! Anthem not up to speed with there product, any in put would help me . THANKS IN ADVANCE
i would not get the avm 30(no hdmi) you can get the old D2 for a bargain since the D2v is somming out. dvd or blue ray? for the money your spending you can afford a blue ray that will play both

i would not get the avm 30(no hdmi) you can get the old D2 for a bargain since the D2v is somming out. dvd or blue ray? for the money your spending you can afford a blue ray that will play both

+1 I agree....
Do your homework on the Pre-Amp....
You can learn alot about pre-amps by reading this thread.... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=940065
It gets technical, but going through it will give you some good understandings....


I would really like to see how that sub 15 goes up against a JL F112 or F113


My F112 as far as SQ and Output is what I measure everything else by now... Its really quite amazing...

This is the system i am thinking of going with.

Paradigm
studio 100 fronts
cc690 center
adp590 surround
studio 20 rear
siesmic 12 or sub 15

anthem
avm 30
mca 50
mca 20

samsung
850
950

not to sure on dvd player or blueray? I am replacing my old pioneer elite system , 15 years old , it has been a while . Listened to pardigm love em !samsung is great ! Anthem not up to speed with there product, any in put would help me . THANKS IN ADVANCEsub 15 or svs 13 ultra

Wondering if I got a good deal - just picked up some Monitor 7s v4 for $600/pair.

So yesterday the wife and I drove for 8 hours auditioning as many speakers as we possibly could. We were very interested in the Studio series since v5 will ship in a month or so. However, when we got to the dealer, the Studio 20's (only one available to listen to) v4 version were set up in a hallway next to 3 other speakers, surrounded by boxes and a host of other stuff... Long story short, after auditioning B&W 600 & CM's, PSB, Dynaudio, etc we are not impressed at all, and it's a real shame too, we probably would have bought some v5's if some time was taken to setup one of the the 2 rooms they had. I am not even sure what they had it hooked up too, but compared to the other speakers we had heard earlier, the Studio 20's just did not make any sort of lasting impression. I would like to give these speakers a second chance at another dealer, but my wife kind of made up her mind with B&W CM series. We have been talking about speakers for months now, so she is over it, wants to pick something and buy. We made the decision to go with the CM series, but in your opinions would the v4's and v5's be that much better than the CM series? Cause that is what it would take for us to change our minds. Also, price comes into play, the v5's will not be discounted or so I have been told, not even a 10% package discount, nada according to a couple of dealers I called. The B&W dealers hinted they will work with us when we are ready.

sub 15 or svs 13 ultra

Just curious. Do you have or "have you" heard the svs 13 ultra? I am wondering how good it is for music. I am skeptical of ported designs being as fast and accurate for music (in general of course).

So yesterday the wife and I drove for 8 hours auditioning as many speakers as we possibly could. We were very interested in the Studio series since v5 will ship in a month or so. However, when we got to the dealer, the Studio 20's (only one available to listen to) v4 version were set up in a hallway next to 3 other speakers, surrounded by boxes and a host of other stuff... Long story short, after auditioning B&W 600 & CM's, PSB, Dynaudio, etc we are not impressed at all, and it's a real shame too, we probably would have bought some v5's if some time was taken to setup one of the the 2 rooms they had. I am not even sure what they had it hooked up too, but compared to the other speakers we had heard earlier, the Studio 20's just did not make any sort of lasting impression. I would like to give these speakers a second chance at another dealer, but my wife kind of made up her mind with B&W CM series. We have been talking about speakers for months now, so she is over it, wants to pick something and buy. We made the decision to go with the CM series, but in your opinions would the v4's and v5's be that much better than the CM series? Cause that is what it would take for us to change our minds. Also, price comes into play, the v5's will not be discounted or so I have been told, not even a 10% package discount, nada according to a couple of dealers I called. The B&W dealers hinted they will work with us when we are ready.

Rob you can come down here to Sarasota and our dealer here will give you 20% off you are buying system. V5's and all! I would just call him and ask him in advance to be sure.

Rob you can come down here to Sarasota and our dealer here will give you 20% off you are buying system. V5's and all! I would just call him and ask him in advance to be sure.

I was just in the St Pete\Tampa area yesterday :) Send me the information and I will contact them.

I was just in the St Pete\Tampa area yesterday :) Send me the information and I will contact them.

Audio Workshop in Bradenton, Fl. Look it up on the internet but number is 941-747-7977. Today he is closed so he is only available by cell phone. I can call him if you'd like. Otherwise tomorrow is good. One thing though: he is small so he is not going to have allot of demo stuff. I think he has a pair of studio 100 v4's right now. You are welcome to come to Sarasota and hear my setup as well. I have 60 v4's bi-amped to an Integra 9.9. They sound amazing! I work in Lakeland by the way ... not very far from you.;)

Just curious. Do you have or "have you" heard the svs 13 ultra? I am wondering how good it is for music. I am skeptical of ported designs being as fast and accurate for music (in general of course).

There are good and bad of both designs IMHO the 13 does quite
well with music but remember there are excellent floorstanders
and bookshelf speakers that are highly rated and they are ported.

Wondering if I got a good deal - just picked up some Monitor 7s v4 for $600/pair.

Sound like 15% off (or close). Sounds good to me. The Monitor line does not have as much of a markup ... very fair for the $!

There are good and bad of both designs IMHO the 13 does quite
well with music but remember there are excellent floorstanders
and bookshelf speakers that are highly rated and they are ported.

Good point! My studio 60's are obviously ported and bass is tight, fast, and natural. But I am referring to subwoofers where the size of the woofer is larger and heavier. Not sure what happens in terms of physics there but to my ear many ported subs seems to have more boom and overhang. On the up side they do have great output, hence why they are great for primary HT setups.

I am going to sell my ultracube 12 simply because I have enough room for a bigger sub and i want sometjing that fills the room more. Budget is around $1,500 - $600 I get for my uc (hopefully) so I am looking at the svs 13 ultra, HSU 15, Epic Tower and new Paradigm sub 12. I just really don't want to get away from Paradigm as this reference is specifically designed to blend with the studio line. What are your thoughts?

I've got Studio 40s for fronts and a cc570 for center, but still have atoms for surrounds/backs. Do you think I would notice a big difference going to studio 20's for surrounds/backs?

Hey i read in this thread about the v4 tweeter upgrade on the studio v3 ,where do you get the parts to do that ? at the dealer ? howh much a v4 tweeter cost ?

Good point! My studio 60's are obviously ported and bass is tight, fast, and natural. But I am referring to subwoofers where the size of the woofer is larger and heavier. Not sure what happens in terms of physics there but to my ear many ported subs seems to have more boom and overhang. On the up side they do have great output, hence why they are great for primary HT setups.

I am going to sell my ultracube 12 simply because I have enough room for a bigger sub and i want sometjing that fills the room more. Budget is around $1,500 - $600 I get for my uc (hopefully) so I am looking at the svs 13 ultra, HSU 15, Epic Tower and new Paradigm sub 12. I just really don't want to get away from Paradigm as this reference is specifically designed to blend with the studio line. What are your thoughts?
I have not heard the new subs so I can't pass judgement but the pb13 ultra
IMHO was just as musical as the servo-15 with more authority.

Hello all!

I have been studying about putting a plasma display home theater system together for the past few weeks. I'm considering a Paradigm monitor or studio system with one of the matching large center channels.

I have about come to the conclusion I am going to have to custom make a av stand for the display and to house the components and center channel due to not being able to find one commercially made that will house a center as large as a cc-390 (appx 9.5" x 40"). Does having the center channel in a cabinet effect it's performance? Are there other choices? What do you recommend for a clean look?

Silvermesa

I have about come to the conclusion I am going to have to custom make a av stand for the display and to house the components and center channel due to not being able to find one commercially made that will house a center as large as a cc-390 (appx 9.5" x 40"). Does having the center channel in a cabinet effect it's performance? Are there other choices? What do you recommend for a clean look?

Check out Salamander Designs.

Hey i read in this thread about the v4 tweeter upgrade on the studio v3 ,where do you get the parts to do that ? at the dealer ? howh much a v4 tweeter cost ?


I wouldn't suggest that... You would also need to change over the crossover, its just not that simple... You should just leave the speakers the way they are, I auditioned the .v3 directly with the .v4, and the differrence is very slight..... Your not missing anything with the .v3's... Just continue to enjoy them, they are fine.

Just curious. Do you have or "have you" heard the svs 13 ultra? I am wondering how good it is for music. I am skeptical of ported designs being as fast and accurate for music (in general of course).i have only listen to paradigm. but in my experience with car audio nothing is as accurate as a sealed sub.

I ran the same setup for a couple of years. I just upgraded the Atoms for ADP 590's and I am delighted with the results.
The Atoms were great but the extra output of the studio ADP's really filled out my soundstage.
I would have run 20's but I had no room.
No regrets for me despite the extra expense
Regards
Knights of Ni
(Ps this reply was for ShawnWalters, but I forgot to quote)

I posted earlier on here about not being satisfied with my ultracube 12 sub since it didn't seem to be enough for my large room. I was wrong. Today I moved it to off to the right close to a wall and corner but not actually up against either. I adjusted the low pass down to around 50hz abd set the gain at 12'o clock. Man, what a difference. Deep, tight, powerful bass that is quick and accurate. It was just a matter of placement! I had it in this spot before and didn't impress me. I think that may have been because I had the low pass set too high to blend with the 60v4's and it wasn't broken enough then. This sub is impresssive to fill a large room w/ vaulted ceilings. Sure it would be nice to have another but I think I spend the $ on my surrends, CC, or perhaps blue ray. I am such a 2-channel junky I have been stuck tryin' to get the front end of rig right for 2 months!

Did any of you see that the new Studio 60v5 has 5.5" drivers opposed to the 7" now? Although it is rated with the same low freq capability due to the extra bass driver. But man this might sound like a completely different speaker - especially in the mid and upper mids. Will be interesting to hear a pair.

Just curious. Do you have or "have you" heard the svs 13 ultra? I am wondering how good it is for music. I am skeptical of ported designs being as fast and accurate for music (in general of course).

The SVS 13 Ultra can be configured as completely sealed, completely ported, or anything in the middle.

It's one of the best subs out there for music and movies.

I hate to ask this without really looking to see if it's been covered..but this thread is massive. Anyone know if there is any difference between the Mini Monitor V5 AND V6?



I just bought the V5's and think they sound great...the guy said there was zero difference. I got them about a hundred off. Any info would be great. Thanks.

The SVS 13 Ultra can be configured as completely sealed, completely ported, or anything in the middle.

It's one of the best subs out there for music and movies.

I assume you mean by using port plugs, etc??? Or am I way off base and you are referring to SVS doing something upon requests?

I assume you mean by using port plugs, etc??? Or am I way off base and you are referring to SVS doing something upon requests?
port plugs. special request anything can be done for the right amount of $

port plugs. special request anything can be done for the right amount of $

This is a subjective question ... but how well do you think the svs ultra-13 will blend with a pair of studio 60v4's? Speaking in terms of music ... do you believe I could get to blend just as well as a Paradigm reference sub?

Hi:

I have a pair of in-wall SA-30 speakers in bedroom. I will be hooking them up to Denon 4306, Pioneer 5080 and Oppo 971. I will be watching HD TV and listen to music.

Do I need a subwoofer?
If the answer is yes then which subwoofer will match with these speakers?

Thanks

This is a subjective question ... but how well do you think the svs ultra-13 will blend with a pair of studio 60v4's? Speaking in terms of music ... do you believe I could get to blend just as well as a Paradigm reference sub?

I am hooking up an pb13 with 60's v.3 in the next couple days... Guess I am behind the times on the v.3 but should blend well I hope.

Geez, I feel kinda silly posting this with all the high-enders here...

But I just replaced my 20-something year old Atoms (so old they didn't even have a V number!!!) with new V6 Atoms ($299/pair Canadian). I can hear the difference from in here in the office.

There's been just a LITTLE progress in the last couple decades!!!! :D



Steve

i am considering selling the v5 mini-monitors i have now and replacing with some monitor 7's. i use these strictly for a dedicated HT room only. would i be getting more with the 7s or should i leave well enough alone?

i currently run mini-monitors, cc-290, adp 190, & hsu stf-2 off onkyo 605.

i am considering selling the v5 mini-monitors i have now and replacing with some monitor 7's. i use these strictly for a dedicated HT room only. would i be getting more with the 7s or should i leave well enough alone?

i currently run mini-monitors, cc-290, adp 190, & hsu stf-2 off onkyo 605.
IMO the 7's are a big step up in sound lots more detail.

I am hooking up an pb13 with 60's v.3 in the next couple days... Guess I am behind the times on the v.3 but should blend well I hope.

Excellent. Let me know how that works out. I am looking to demo something next to my ultracube 12 - be it a Paradigm new sub 12, Seismic 12, or SVS Ultra 13, I have yet to decide.;)

I am hooking up an pb13 with 60's v.3 in the next couple days... Guess I am behind the times on the v.3 but should blend well I hope.

Any good sub will "blend" well with any speaker.....its more to do with placement, layout of room and crossover settings.

IMO the 7's are a big step up in sound lots more detail.

I wouldn't say more detail but the step up to floorstanders would "fill in" a room a lot easier than bookshelves.

Considering upgrading from Studio 20 v.3 to Studio 40 v.3. Don't have the opportunity to listen to the 40's - so I wanted to know if anyone can offer opinions on the value of trading up to the 40's. My total cost would be about $200. Rest of the system includes cc-470 v.3, SVS NSD-10, and Atoms in the rear - all driven by an Onkyo 605 in a 2300 cubic foot room

If you can still hold on to the 20's (for surround duty), I'd say go for it.
Lots of people (including myself) have the 40/470/20 combo.
Works like a champ.
I always preferred the 40's for front speakers. They just seem to have more presence than the 20's up front.
Plus, they're a slightly better timbre match for the cc-470.
You'll find both the 470 and the studio 40's have the exact cabinet volumes and dimensions.
If you can, i would recommend it.

cheers!

New here to posting, long time lurker though. I jumped on the Paradigm band wagon the first time I heard them. I have been using 9se's up front, 7se's in the back & a cc300 center. To me the weak link is the cc300, it's obvious on pink noise & DTS concert DVD's. I'm curious if anyone has tried the new center's like the cc390 or cc690 with older speakers like these. Would they match up & have better dynamics for movies or should I look to upgrade, Thanks

I wouldn't say more detail but the step up to floorstanders would "fill in" a room a lot easier than bookshelves.

my room is shoebox shape of 19.5x10.5x9. can you eloborate a little more when you say fill in? thanks...

i just got a pair of atom monitors v.5 for $200. These are my first REAL speakers. The plan is to use these in a 2.0 system and then eventually move them to the rear as I upgrade. I'm going to pair them with a Marantz 4002 receiver. Any tips, recommendations??

How far from the back and side walls do others run their Studio 100s? Mine are43" from back and 27" from the side. What seems to be the most common?

My room dictates mine at 2ft from the back of the speaker and 3ft from
the left sidewall and 7ft from the right sidewall.

Hi I have had this sub for a number of years. It has not been worked hard however today it has stopped working. There appears to be no reason for this, my question is does it have an internal fuse that I could check & if so where is it located. Many Thanks

Audio Workshop in Bradenton, Fl. Look it up on the internet but number is 941-747-7977. Today he is closed so he is only available by cell phone. I can call him if you'd like. Otherwise tomorrow is good. One thing though: he is small so he is not going to have allot of demo stuff. I think he has a pair of studio 100 v4's right now. You are welcome to come to Sarasota and hear my setup as well. I have 60 v4's bi-amped to an Integra 9.9. They sound amazing! I work in Lakeland by the way ... not very far from you.;)

If your in FL, dude is awesome, just took the plunge on a pair of Studio 60's and the CC-690 center. V5's :) Should be in sometime next week...

Man it was tough, we really liked the B&W CM 7 and CMC2... Hope we made the right choice :confused::eek::D

If your in FL, dude is awesome, just took the plunge on a pair of Studio 60's and the CC-690 center. V5's :) Should be in sometime next week...

Man it was tough, we really liked the B&W CM 7 and CMC2... Hope we made the right choice :confused::eek::D

U won't be disappointed. No buyers remorse. Just sit back and enjoy.

Hey guys I just started puting together my home theater setup.Heres what Ihave in mind,Getting A decent 2.1 system maybe 2 titan monitors v5 i can get for 348.00 from 6th ave and a good sub i wont have to upgrade later.The when i move into my house move my titan monitors to the back and get 2 studio 20s and the matching center.what do you guys think can you suggest a reciever to please

Ohh and is there a major difrence from the v5 from 6th ave for 348.00,and the v6 my dealer is selling for 600.00 on the titan monitors

If your in FL, dude is awesome, just took the plunge on a pair of Studio 60's and the CC-690 center. V5's :) Should be in sometime next week...

Man it was tough, we really liked the B&W CM 7 and CMC2... Hope we made the right choice :confused::eek::D

Congrats! Looking forward to hearing what the redesigned 60 sounds like. Better yet, I may have to take a ride your way to hear what those puppies sound like. What a phat setup .... 60v5's with a PB Ultra 13. Damn that just has a nice ring to it!:cool:

Just went through the same thing. Listened to the B&W 600 series

683's / htm-61 / DS-3. verdict = didn't like the timber match of the center.

Cm 7's / CM center / DS-3. verdict = lost composure on electronic music / synths.

Monitor Audio RS-8's / RSLCR / RSFX. verdict = little bright for my taste.

Totem STTAF - great sounding speaker, very smooth. verdict = lacking ultimate SPL.

PSB imagine T / imagine c / imagine s , great looks / build quality. Nothing about the sound left an impression, which I guess is a good thing, but no wow factor either. verdict = I felt that they may also lack ultimate SPL, as they are similar in size to the Totems.

Focal Profile 918 / CC908 / SR 908 Unique styling and detailed sound. verdict = Again I felt they were lacking something.

Focal Chorus 826 / cc800v / sr800v Good looks, nice bass. verdict = treble not as open as I would have liked.

Paradigm Studio 60v4 / CC 590 / ADP 590 great center channel, best up to that point in critical listening. verdict = midrange not as detailed as the Studio 100`s

Paradigm Studio 100v4 / CC 690 / ADP 590 ( Have it all ). Great center channel, awsome midrange, smooth, powerful bass, open Treble, everthing I was looking for in a speaker. The only negative was the vinyl cabinets compare to the competition, but I bought the system based on sound quality as that comes first. Two days later I got a call from my dealer that the V5`s were just being released and Paradigm could not supply me with a rosenut cc 690 to match the Studio 100`s. I was offered to upgrade to the V5 system for the additional 13 or so % so jumped on it. Now I feel that I got everything that I was looking for in a speaker including a beautiful rosenut finish.

The only other system that I felt was on par with the Studio 100 system was the
Revel Performa F32 /c52 / s 30 which also costs almost 2 times what the Paradigms cost.

None of the above systems sounded bad, I just feel that the Paradigm Studio`s did everthing right ( to my ears ).
Speakers should be here at the end of the week, and will be paired with an existing svs pb13-ultra and a Pioneer Elite vsx-94txv.

Also thinking of upgrading amplification and possibly going to B&K.
Reference 70 and Reference 200.5

http://www.bkcomp.com/products/preamp-receivers/?tx_ttproducts_pi1%5BbackPID%5D=22&tx_ttproducts_pi1%5Bproduct%5D=11&cHash=4a85173845

http://www.bkcomp.com/products/amplifiers/?tx_ttproducts_pi1%5BbackPID%5D=14&tx_ttproducts_pi1%5Bproduct%5D=9&cHash=eb183f4201

Anybody use this combo before or any B&K product with you Paradigms.

Just went through the same thing.

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None of the above systems sounded bad, I just feel that the Paradigm Studio`s did everthing right ( to my ears ).



Way to do ur homework, that's what makes this so fun, listening and comparing to find what's right for u.

Enjoy!

Also thinking of upgrading amplification and possibly going to B&K.
Reference 70 and Reference 200.5

http://www.bkcomp.com/products/preamp-receivers/?tx_ttproducts_pi1%5BbackPID%5D=22&tx_ttproducts_pi1%5Bproduct%5D=11&cHash=4a85173845

http://www.bkcomp.com/products/amplifiers/?tx_ttproducts_pi1%5BbackPID%5D=14&tx_ttproducts_pi1%5Bproduct%5D=9&cHash=eb183f4201

Anybody use this combo before or any B&K product with you Paradigms.what is the msrp on these bad boys? also how do they compare to anthem products?

Congrats! Looking forward to hearing what the redesigned 60 sounds like. Better yet, I may have to take a ride your way to hear what those puppies sound like. What a phat setup .... 60v5's with a PB Ultra 13. Damn that just has a nice ring to it!:cool:

Me and you both :D

The center channel is what really sold us, our system is relegated to mostly HT use, so it's all about the center channel. The Paradigm CC-690 channel just seems beastly compared to the B&W CM Series centers, even the bigger one. Heck, even the Studio 60's (v5's) seem better than the CM 7's. With that said, we did love the transparency of the CM series, I hope the 60's come close in this regard. I guess in 2 weeks I will find out...

All this v5 talk has be soooooo mad i just got v3's...

Do you think upgrading my center channel from a cc-570 to a 690 v5 would be worth it if I keep my studio 60 v3's?

I have the apd 590's v5's as rears

All this v5 talk has be soooooo mad i just got v3's...

Do you think upgrading my center channel from a cc-570 to a 690 v5 would be worth it if I keep my studio 60 v3's?

I have the apd 590's v5's as rears

Yes if its a large room with the L and R speakers far apart.

No they are wbout 6 feet apart with the center channel 2-3 feet diagnol behind each

You guys is there a major diffrence from the titan monitors v5 and the v6 ,also these are my first pair of paradigm i hear music sounds great on them.But what about explosion action movies are these great for movies as well or just music.(sorry if this is a dumb question)

I will be building a new system shortly and since I first listened to Paradigm 9 years ago I've been very impressed with them. My first system with them included a pair of Studio 60's and a Servo 15 with some other items of lesser origin.

For my new system I'm leaning towards Studio 100's (front), CC-690 (center), Studio 20's (rear) and a Sub 15. My intent is to go with the Pioneer SC-05 receiver and perhaps seperate amps for the fronts and center down the road a bit.

I do have a question though ... how much do the stands cost for the Studio 20's?


Brian

The stands are very expensive, like $399...

I'd make my own or buy another brand.

I really want the big CC690 Studio center channel. I've always had an aversion to large floor standing speakers - mostly because I feel the sub should take care of the sub 80hz. So my question to Paradigm owners - would this system mesh well:
Studio 20's L/R
Studio CC690 Center
Reference Sub-12

or do I need to move up to the Studio 60's / Studio 100's?

Thanks in advance.

As goonstpher said they are expensive but they looked good and they are made for the
studio's if we are referring to the J model which at that price we are and the fact that
you can fasten them with screws to the predrilled bottoms make it very stable I made
a mistake and got the cheaper S stands not designed for it they will eventually be replaced with J's.

I really want the big CC690 Studio center channel. I've always had an aversion to large floor standing speakers - mostly because I feel the sub should take care of the sub 80hz. So my question to Paradigm owners - would this system mesh well:
Studio 20's L/R
Studio CC690 Center
Reference Sub-12

or do I need to move up to the Studio 60's / Studio 100's?

Thanks in advance.

I wanted to do something similar initially, but once I heard the Studio 100's, I scrapped my idea of getting bookshelf speakers. Currently crossing a SVS PB13-U over at 40Hz when listening to 2-channel now (80Hz in HT), the 100's have outstanding punchy mid-bass, tighter than I can accomplish with the powered sub. If listening to something that doesn't approach 40Hz, it's set to Direct / Tone Defeat.

If you are set on getting bookshelfs, I would just try my best to match up the drivers across the front 3. i.e. 7" woofers all the way across. Based on the models you quoted above, they should match nicely, as they all use the same midrange / woofer driver.

Which stands to use on Studio 20's? J-23 or J-29? Would they make the 20's sound a little different, e.g., wider sound stage when using the taller stands? My 20's are sitting on 2 night table and the bass are bit boomy :o

You guys is there a major diffrence from the titan monitors v5 and the v6 ,also these are my first pair of paradigm i hear music sounds great on them.But what about explosion action movies are these great for movies as well or just music.(sorry if this is a dumb question)

truly, no such thing as a dumb question. if you want explosions and what not for movies, you definitely need a dedicated subwoofer. i have the mini-monitor v5 and they sound great, but lack the bottom end as most bookshelf speakers do. pair the bookshelf speakers with a decent sub and you will be set for music and movies. hope this helps.

truly, no such thing as a dumb question. if you want explosions and what not for movies, you definitely need a dedicated subwoofer. i have the mini-monitor v5 and they sound great, but lack the bottom end as most bookshelf speakers do. pair the bookshelf speakers with a decent sub and you will be set for music and movies. hope this helps.


sure does thinking about going with a svs sub,,,anybody here have the rosenut color,

Sub question - I'm going to the local deal in a couple hours.

I've got studio 40 fronts, cc-570 center and atom surrounds and backs. Would a DSP 3100/3200 be a good choice for a sub? I have a PDR10 now and think it sucks. All I hear is boomy bass that has no clarity at all. Thanks.

^Read this RE: 3100 sub www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=982969

^Read this RE: 3100 sub www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=982969

Thanks. It seems like like the 3400 is better..?

My local dealer quoted me prices for the monitor 7v5 and the monitor 9v5. He said the monitor 7 will run me $798 and the monitor 9 is $998. Do these prices seem reasonable to you guys? I wonder if he meant $698 for the monitor 7's because that price seems a little high to me for the monitor 7's in my opinion. Any feedback on this for me? I know I will be buying either the 7 or the 9's just not sure which one yet. Is there that big of a difference between the two in sound quality?

My local dealer quoted me prices for the monitor 7v5 and the monitor 9v5. He said the monitor 7 will run me $798 and the monitor 9 is $998. Do these prices seem reasonable to you guys? I wonder if he meant $698 for the monitor 7's because that price seems a little high to me for the monitor 7's in my opinion. Any feedback on this for me? I know I will be buying either the 7 or the 9's just not sure which one yet. Is there that big of a difference between the two in sound quality?

Try Studio's... I am FAAAR from picky but the difference from monitor 11's to studio 20's was night and day to me. You can probably get studio 20's for close to 800

Which stands to use on Studio 20's? J-23 or J-29? Would they make the 20's sound a little different, e.g., wider sound stage when using the taller stands? My 20's are sitting on 2 night table and the bass are bit boomy :o

You like to have the tweeter at ear level which the J-29 should do plus or minus an inch or so.

The "S" stands are much less expensive. I think I remember paying $120- $150 (don't quote me). You can see them in the Monitor section.

The stands are very expensive, like $399...

I'd make my own or buy another brand.

The "S" stands are much less expensive. I think I remember paying $120- $150 (don't quote me). You can see them in the Monitor section.

They are cheaper and I have them for now but they will be replaced by the J's.
the J's are far more stable if you have them away from traffic the S's will work one of mine has fell when someone got to close and bumped it had I
used the J's and bolted them to the 20 it would have saved me 250.00. for
a new cabinet.

The stands are very expensive, like $399...
I'd make my own or buy another brand.


Been searchin' but couldn't find another brand of stands with a top plate of 8"x12 for Studio 20.

Sub question - I'm going to the local deal in a couple hours.

I've got studio 40 fronts, cc-570 center and atom surrounds and backs. Would a DSP 3100/3200 be a good choice for a sub? I have a PDR10 now and think it sucks. All I hear is boomy bass that has no clarity at all. Thanks.

Well I went to my local dealer and tried out the DSP 10,12,14 and the ultracube 10. I didn't like the DSP 10 or 12. So for me it came down to the DSP14 or the ultracube. After going back and forth with different songs and soundtracks, I felt like the DSP was more boomy and might be better for movies since that's what I use it for, but I couldn't pass up the clarity of the ultracube. It sounded really clean to me and I could hear the ups and downs of the bass, whereas on the DSP I just heard the bass as basically one note. Another huge factor in my decision was the WAF factor. I know if I got the DSP14 my wife would be like WTF is this big box on the floor?:D

So I bought the ultracube and am going to try it. I can bring it back and get the DSP 14 instead if I don't like it. Anyone else tried these two subs? Which did you prefer?

My local dealer quoted me prices for the monitor 7v5 and the monitor 9v5. He said the monitor 7 will run me $798 and the monitor 9 is $998. Do these prices seem reasonable to you guys? I wonder if he meant $698 for the monitor 7's because that price seems a little high to me for the monitor 7's in my opinion. Any feedback on this for me? I know I will be buying either the 7 or the 9's just not sure which one yet. Is there that big of a difference between the two in sound quality?


I'm not sure if the prices differ much between U.S and Canada but I was quoted $850(cdn) for the Monitor 9s v6. The v5 should be cheaper - unless Paradigm sells these speakers cheaper in Canada since they're made here? I ended up getting v6 11s for $950cdn. Is that the only dealer in your area?

yes dls unfortunately it is the only dealer where I live. I live in Ohio but the paradigm website does not show any other dealers near my zip code. I do not know if any other dealers are in Ohio or not? I guess I will do a search on the web and find out more information. $850 for the monitor 9's would be great if I could get them for that price here.

yes dls unfortunately it is the only dealer where I live. I live in Ohio but the paradigm website does not show any other dealers near my zip code. I do not know if any other dealers are in Ohio or not? I guess I will do a search on the web and find out more information. $850 for the monitor 9's would be great if I could get them for that price here.


Actually my local store that sells Paradigms does not show up on the website so I double checked with Paradigm and they are an actual authorized dealer - they just haven't added them online although they have been selling Paradigm speakers for almost 2 years? Maybe you should Call Paradigm directly and they might have some newer dealers in around your area. Hopefully they do and you could get more price comparisons.

Hello. I believe I've read everything on this forum so far. I really appreciate the posters. I've done a lot of research, and I've decided on a system purchase. I'm going with 2 Monitor 11s, a CC390, and 2 Titan's for surround. All are v6. I went to my local dealer, and the prices are as follows: Monitor 11 $749 each, CC390 $699, Titan Monitors $299 each. The way I understand it, these are an exact match for the Paradigm FMV prices. I asked the dealer if he could cut any off the price, and his answer was "the price is THE price". In other words, no wiggle room at all.

I guess I have some questions.
1. If this is indeed the only price, will I have any luck at another dealer? There 3 dealers within driving distance at about 35 miles, 45 miles, and 80 miles. Will they provide a united front?
2. Is it worth buying these speakers at the given price? I really like the sound of the speakers, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I feel like I'm being dictated to, sort of. I understand that Paradigm controlling the authorized dealer's is supposedly good for the consumer in the long run. It's definitely good for the dealers, and I don't want to see the only place to buy speakers rhyme with Best Guy. That said, i like a good deal as much as the next guy. I don't really appreciate someone I'm about to spend 3000 hard-earned dollars with tell me he could take me or leave me. It leaves the same taste in my mouth as I get at Best Guy.

If you guys feel like I'm totally out to lunch, please let me know. I really do want these speakers, but mom-n-pop stores are supposed to give you a mom-n-pop feeling. Is getting 10-20 percent off too much to ask to keep me coming back for years?

I guess I have some questions.
1. If this is indeed the only price, will I have any luck at another dealer? There 3 dealers within driving distance at about 35 miles, 45 miles, and 80 miles. Will they provide a united front?
2. Is it worth buying these speakers at the given price? I really like the sound of the speakers, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I feel like I'm being dictated to, sort of. I understand that Paradigm controlling the authorized dealer's is supposedly good for the consumer in the long run. It's definitely good for the dealers, and I don't want to see the only place to buy speakers rhyme with Best Guy. That said, i like a good deal as much as the next guy. I don't really appreciate someone I'm about to spend 3000 hard-earned dollars with tell me he could take me or leave me. It leaves the same taste in my mouth as I get at Best Guy.

If you guys feel like I'm totally out to lunch, please let me know. I really do want these speakers, but mom-n-pop stores are supposed to give you a mom-n-pop feeling. Is getting 10-20 percent off too much to ask to keep me coming back for years?
This is such a tough question to answer. First question - how important is $450 to you (~15% off the prices you stated above).

I ask because if the smaller stores that allow you to listen go out of business, we'll have no where to listen. However I understand, you worked hard for your money and would love to spend less of it. But ask yourself one more time - how important is $450.

I may be lucky because my local dealer gives 15% off. So if $450 is very important to you, here's my advice - go back to the other dealer and have the cash in hand (or credit card) and tell him you really appreciate the time he spent with you. You're not buying one pair of speakers, but a whole set. If you take 15% off you'll buy them right now, otherwise its worth your time to drive 30 minutes to go to "fill in closest Paradigm dealer". Then continue to tell him that if THAT dealer doesn't give me 15% off I'll buy them full MSRP from him anyway. Either way you lose the deal.

While the above is excellent dickering tactic, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if he told you to take a hike.

So I ask again - how important is $450 to you?

Hello. I believe I've read everything on this forum so far. I really appreciate the posters. I've done a lot of research, and I've decided on a system purchase. I'm going with 2 Monitor 11s, a CC390, and 2 Titan's for surround. All are v6. I went to my local dealer, and the prices are as follows: Monitor 11 $749 each, CC390 $699, Titan Monitors $299 each. The way I understand it, these are an exact match for the Paradigm FMV prices. I asked the dealer if he could cut any off the price, and his answer was "the price is THE price". In other words, no wiggle room at all.

I guess I have some questions.
1. If this is indeed the only price, will I have any luck at another dealer? There 3 dealers within driving distance at about 35 miles, 45 miles, and 80 miles. Will they provide a united front?
2. Is it worth buying these speakers at the given price? I really like the sound of the speakers, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I feel like I'm being dictated to, sort of. I understand that Paradigm controlling the authorized dealer's is supposedly good for the consumer in the long run. It's definitely good for the dealers, and I don't want to see the only place to buy speakers rhyme with Best Guy. That said, i like a good deal as much as the next guy. I don't really appreciate someone I'm about to spend 3000 hard-earned dollars with tell me he could take me or leave me. It leaves the same taste in my mouth as I get at Best Guy.

If you guys feel like I'm totally out to lunch, please let me know. I really do want these speakers, but mom-n-pop stores are supposed to give you a mom-n-pop feeling. Is getting 10-20 percent off too much to ask to keep me coming back for years?
were are u located?

I don't really appreciate someone I'm about to spend 3000 hard-earned dollars with tell me he could take me or leave me. It leaves the same taste in my mouth as I get at Best Guy.


There's your problem. I could understand paying a little more if the guy was truly helpful or went above and beyond. But if you feel like he didn't earn your business go try another dealer until you find one you can build a rapport with.

My local dealer gives me ~15% off and then when I buy multiple things he cuts a little more off to make me happy. Even if he didn't though, I would pay more from him than a Best Buy type place because he is so helpful and nice. He moves speakers all around the room, switches a to b to b etc and answers a million questions for me.

I appreciate the feedback. In answer to the question of how important 450 dollars is to me: it won't kill me, but nor am I rich. If I could save that 15 percent, I would probably spend all of it with him. I am also in the market for a 65" LCD TV, 2 wall mounting stands, and other things in the future. Another option would be upgrading to the studio line. I like how both sound, with a clear edge going to the S60. CC690, S10 surrounds combo. That combo retail is about 4300 retail. If you take 15 percent off the studio option, you're getting closer to the 3500 ballpark I'm looking to land in.

I gave the impression that my dealer was rude to me. He was not. However, he did make it clear that the prices he listed were the prices he's expecting people to pay. No sly winks, no intimations of any kind that a deal could be had if I bought an entire system.

I am located in southwest michigan. I'm willing to drive about 2-3 hours each way for the right deal.

I'd like to say that I agonize over spending decisions like these. Whims having nothing to do with the process. I get obsessed.

I would like to add that the vast preponderance of advice I've read on this and other forums suggests listening to exactly what you want to buy before you buy it. While this is good advice, it's virtually impossible for those of us that don't live in Metro areas like Chicago or New York. Dealers cannot afford to set this kind of thing up. What I have done is go and listen to a set of monitor 11s with titan surrounds. I really liked how they sounded. They were better than anything else i've heard. I still feel like they're missing something I can't put my finger on exactly.

Would I be happy with them? yes. Something inside me tells me the studio line will last me 20 years if i can swing them somehow. I don't think I'd get 20 out of the monitor line.

Would I be happy with them? yes. Something inside me tells me the studio line will last me 20 years if i can swing them somehow. I don't think I'd get 20 out of the monitor line.

Heres one way I would suggest to anybody that has roughly $3K to spend on a 5.0 system......see what you think.

4 Studio 20's and a CC590. $3K retail. Even 10% off shouldnt be a problem with any dealer. Or talk about throwing in some stands if you dont have.

I take it you already have a sub.

Now, down the road when the upgrade bug hits and money is burning a hole in your pockets;), relegate the front 20's to rear surround duty and get a pair of 60's or even 100's.

The result would be a 7.1 system that would have all your friends green with envy.:D

Another option would be upgrading to the studio line. I like how both sound, with a clear edge going to the S60. CC690, S10 surrounds combo.


http://www.audiogon.com/index.html

Search at the top for Paradigm and see what you come up with.....

I have been an extremely satisfied shopper there, as well as videogon.

I have even aquired off ebay, just do your homework shopping there.

If it means anything I had the monitor line for 6 months and upgraded to the studio line. So I would have saved money by going straight to the studio line. But it was my first set of real speakers and I didn't know the difference. I actually thought my Monitors were some of the best speakers made. But then I learned some speakers cost $100,000 per pair lol. I guess that's how it all starts.

So I thought, hey maybe I missing out so I tested the studio line and I really liked the clarity of them compared to the monitors, so I upgraded. I still am a total newbie to the world of audio, but I've already wondered if I should have gotten the signature line. I just wonder if I'm missing out on anything. Problem with thinking like that is after 10 upgrades I'd no longer be married but at least I'd have $100,000 per pair speakers:D

But I'm going to stick with and be happy with my studios as I have zero complaints with them. Try them both out and see if you can hear a difference and then put a price on that difference. :)

Try Studio's... I am FAAAR from picky but the difference from monitor 11's to studio 20's was night and day to me. You can probably get studio 20's for close to 800

Agreed! I had a pair of M9 v5's in my home for about two weeks. They were great for the $ but no where near as refined as the 60's side by side. Then again I listen to allot of rock / alternive in 100% tiled home so that probably magnifed the difference. The studio series just does everything from imaging, to soundstage size, to detail, refinement ... you name it.

so for those of us with monitor series speakers, are we truly missing out? i am not trying to start a big debate, but i have just been recently bitten by the upgrade bug and am looking into something different from the mini-monitors i have now. they sound great IMO, but i am always wondering what would speaker brand xyz sound like if it were here?.....and what if i bought a sererate amp?.....and what if....get my point?
if someone was to purchase the studio line, would they begin thinking they could ultimately do better with the signature line? this upgraditis gets expensive quick!!

mlkmgr,

It's my opinion that you should determine a budget for your total system, and research the best combination of technology for that budget, keeping in mind potential upgrades (separate amp in the future, for example, would mean preouts on a receiver). If you already have a system, as it seems is your case, then consider the weakest part of your system (and whether it actually does bother you.. if not, why spend the money?), and still consider the budget for that single (or few) item(s).

I think most people would notice an upgrade as you go up the line of any given manufacturer's product line. I know my wife and I did - we were considering Monitors and Studios. The Studios were not all that much more, yet sounded quite a bit better. The Sigs sounded just slightly better, but were a heck of a lot more $$. We agreed that most of the benefit of getting Sigs was going to be in the exceptional furniture grade cabinetry (again, in our opinions), and I was planning on hiding the speakers at some point in a dedicated theater anyway, so that would be wasted money.

The problem with not going into a shopping trip with a budget is that you will *always* find something better. If you don't listen to it, you won't know what you're missing anyway (which can be a good thing.. just enjoy what you have). Oh, and don't spend too much time on AVS, or it's inevitable..

Need help of anyone with a strong understanding of the Studio series and its power needs from an amp...

I have an onkyo 805 that is supposed to be 130w/channel running studio 60 v.3, cc-570 and adp-590 v.5 for surrounds. I have heard that because the amos in the reciever are not monoblocks you will never get close to the full 130w. My question is, would a true 200w amp like an emotiva or sunfire or rotel be worth it to power the front 3 channels?

goonstopher, it depends how hard you drive the speakers. For example, it only takes 1W to get 91dB with the Studio 60s. Obviously with more dynamic content, it'll spike above that which is where the need for headroom in an amplifier comes in.

If you listen at "normal levels" in an "average sized" room, the only way I would recommend it is if you put it in your system and notice a very obvious difference. It's not as easy to give a blanket recommendation in that case - if you're driving all of them hard relatively often (e.g. you have a larger room that is acoustically treated), it becomes a much bigger need in your system.

Hello. I believe I've read everything on this forum so far. I really appreciate the posters. I've done a lot of research, and I've decided on a system purchase. I'm going with 2 Monitor 11s, a CC390, and 2 Titan's for surround. All are v6. I went to my local dealer, and the prices are as follows: Monitor 11 $749 each, CC390 $699, Titan Monitors $299 each. The way I understand it, these are an exact match for the Paradigm FMV prices. I asked the dealer if he could cut any off the price, and his answer was "the price is THE price". In other words, no wiggle room at all.

I guess I have some questions.
1. If this is indeed the only price, will I have any luck at another dealer? There 3 dealers within driving distance at about 35 miles, 45 miles, and 80 miles. Will they provide a united front?
2. Is it worth buying these speakers at the given price? I really like the sound of the speakers, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

I feel like I'm being dictated to, sort of. I understand that Paradigm controlling the authorized dealer's is supposedly good for the consumer in the long run. It's definitely good for the dealers, and I don't want to see the only place to buy speakers rhyme with Best Guy. That said, i like a good deal as much as the next guy. I don't really appreciate someone I'm about to spend 3000 hard-earned dollars with tell me he could take me or leave me. It leaves the same taste in my mouth as I get at Best Guy.

If you guys feel like I'm totally out to lunch, please let me know. I really do want these speakers, but mom-n-pop stores are supposed to give you a mom-n-pop feeling. Is getting 10-20 percent off too much to ask to keep me coming back for years?

Go somewhere else. If they really want your business they would give you a system break. They could take less profit or no profit, its they're choice.

You say you're in SW Michigan? How does driving about a 1/2 hr west of Chicago sound? My dealer will work with you.

Has anybody seen the CC-690 v5? I ordered one sight unseen since v4 isn't available around here. Now I see a pic of what I *think* is a CC-690v5 (same drivers anyway, could be a new Sig though) and its shape doesn't look at all like the one on the Paradigm site. Nor does it look like the Signature shown there much. It looks pretty weird to me. I'm slightly freaking out :) I mean, it doesn't have corners or spikes...I don't like jelly-bean designs.

According to this (http://www.sigtheater.com) website, here is a picture of the CC-690 v5 (http://www.sigtheater.com/images/prod/124842608130_Studio_CC690_feet_CH_ng.jpg). I can't confirm whether that's a reused v4 picture, though.

Paradigm's site doesn't specify the version.

Yeah that site is wrong... Look a few pages back, there is a link to a pdf with the info and pictures of the v5 line

I have the Studio 100's, CC-570 and ADP-470 in my home theater. All v.3. I have had them for about 4 years and have been very pleased.

I am wondering how close the gap is between the Signature line and the new Reference V.5's would be? One of the biggest differences between the old studio line and the sig line, was the shape of the cabinet and wood vs vinyl finish? With these both being similar now, they have to be closer in performance right? Am I off base here?

I have the Studio 100's, CC-570 and ADP-470 in my home theater. All v.3. I have had them for about 4 years and have been very pleased.

I am wondering how close the gap is between the Signature line and the new Reference V.5's would be? One of the biggest differences between the old studio line and the sig line, was the shape of the cabinet and wood vs vinyl finish? With these both being similar now, they have to be closer in performance right? Am I off base here?

I believe the tweeters and crossovers are also different.

Thanks for the CC-690 info. Saw the pics: don't look at all like what I was told. I notice many retailer sites are selling v5s but show pics of v4s...somebody else may be as shocked as I was when they receive the goods. I find the current "base" looks very insubstantial too, but I don't know anything about it...looks much less than optimum for a 69lb speaker that supposedly does some reasonably low bass. I was told they have spikes too (??)...I really don't see that base with spikes unless the base "cradle" can be made wider i.e. the cradle is two separate pieces.

Anyone here see the black finish? Is it gloss black, or duller/satin? I can't exactly tell from the photo. This is kind of important at this stage, as I specifically did NOT like the "piano black" finish on the Sig. I'm not saying it's not a good finish, just not to my taste. It makes the Sig look cheap to my eye, like it's molded out of plastic, and the v5 shape would probably make it look even more so. I was told it is a duller black, like I'm looking for, but we know how accurate the other info I was told is... Problem is of course nobody has much of the v5s on the floor yet, in this case they have none and Paradigm factory is 20 miles away. Thanks.

I'm jealous that you are that close to the factory.... Not that they are offering tours for their loyal customers.... whats up with that....?

As far as I know, no-one has the answers to any of these questions and Paradigm is really great about leaving both their customers and even their dealers in the dark about everything..... I truly love their product, but tactics towards CS is something to be desired.... who runs a company like that..???

Well, I dropped the dime today and should receive my kit next week or, if I'm lucky, the end of this week. I was woried that my local dealer wouldn't budge from full list price given that I'm not on either coast but managed a 15% discount on the new v5's. Here's what I ordered:

2x Studio 100's
2x Studio 20's
CC-690
Sub-15
Pioneer SC-05 AVR


Brian

I'm jealous that you are that close to the factory.... Not that they are offering tours for their loyal customers.... whats up with that....?

As far as I know, no-one has the answers to any of these questions and Paradigm is really great about leaving both their customers and even their dealers in the dark about everything..... I truly love their product, but tactics towards CS is something to be desired.... who runs a company like that..???

It may be more like 30 miles. 30 miles through Toronto can be like 100 miles in the real world, some days.

Anyway, I'm not trying to put the CC-690 v5 down, but IMO Paradigm is way more about marketing than making a decent speaker these days. Not that they're not decent. And, they ARE still in business, which is saying something too. But I'm a meat-and-potato guy. I like to buy function with a simple basic style. Whereas Paradigm is pursuing fashion, and as opposed to style which is enduring, fashion goes out very quickly. Will anybody want this "fashion" in 5 years? I didn't really want it now. Maybe I'm over-reacting due to fashion-shock, but this speaker lists for $1649 in Canada, and is just so different than described to me (when I was told I couldn't get the v4, they said the v5 looked like the Sig with the v4 finish and drivers...WTF...so I bit), and I've been waiting to upgrade my center for a while...not the big-looking-forward-to-getting like I had when I ordered. Because there's so much I don't know that I thought I did. Maybe I'll get over it by the time I receive product (scheduled for next week), as long as it's not "piano black", which IMO looks best on pianos that the servants can keep polished. :)

sure does thinking about going with a svs sub,,,anybody here have the rosenut color,

I have the SVS PB13 ultra and Studio v.4 100's with cc690 all in rosenut finish. They look and sound amazing together. Honesty...I am so unbelievably in love with my new gear. I had Monitor 11's and SVS 25-31pc+, wanted to upgrade, listened to a few different brands and quickly realized I just needed a little more of what I already had. I just didn't realize what an amazing jump I made until it all arrived and BAM! Thank ya' Jesus! Im in Heaven. To me you cant go wrong with Paradigm, loved them then...really lovin' them now.

I need advice on speaker stands for these:

CC-570
-Needs to be low to the ground since I have a 120" projection screen.
ADP-350 surround speakers (pair)
-I can't wall mount as one of the speakers will be placed next to one of the french doors. It's locked in place to the door frame and I only open one side, but I obviously won't mount the speaker to the door. I haven't found stands that are the proper height for surround speakers of this size.

Style isn't at the top of the list, but this is a new dedicated HT room so I'd like something that looks nice. I'm using black Paradigm stands for the Studio 20s (L/R) on both sides of the screen, so it'd be nice if the CC-570 stand matched those.

I believe the tweeters and crossovers are also different.

I wonder what the difference would be to your ears? Same shape on cabinet. Same wood construction. I am in the mood for some 100 v.5's....

I could then move my 100 v.3's to the sides or rear.

I wonder what the difference would be to your ears? Same shape on cabinet. Same wood construction. I am in the mood for some 100 v.5's....

I could then move my 100 v.3's to the sides or rear.

A demo with a familiar piece of music would work for me and then it would
have to be a distinguishable amount to make me budge from my V3's the
V4's did not do it for me have yet to hear V5's.

Folks, I managed to get a pair of Studio Reference V4 20's today to be used as my stereo music pair in my home theater. The theater is Def Tech all around and for movies it's always been great. However, music had me looking for my first pair of Paradigms. Do you think the following makes a good match for these Paradigms?

CD player - Denon 3800BDCI
AVR - Rotel RSX-1067 (7x100 Watts/channel)
Interconnects are Audioquest Sidewinder
Speaker wire is 12 ga from Monoprice

I think I found my Def Techs fatiguing? and lacking imaging (being bipolar) but these 20's auditioned well in the demo room. Most of you are probably wondering why I haven't set up the 20's yet for a listen but the incoming v5 has me wondering whether I should wait. Any pricing on the v5 20's?

Any pricing on the v5 20's?

v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV

Reference Studio/10 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 399.00
Reference Studio/20 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 599.00
Reference Studio/60 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 999.00
Reference Studio/100 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference CC-490 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 799.00
Reference CC-590 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1199.00
Reference CC-690 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference Sub-12 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1999.00
Reference Sub-15 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 2799.00

:cool:

Thanks urmystlkal!

Looks like the v5 versions have priced themselves out of my budget! A pair of Studio Reference 10's at MSRP would still be more than what I just paid for the v4 20's after tax!

Thanks urmystlkal!

Looks like the v5 versions have priced themselves out of my budget! A pair of Studio Reference 10's at MSRP would still be more than what I just paid for the v4 20's after tax!

About the only thing I can complain about now is that I'm still dealing with a vinyl exterior as opposed to a nice wood veneer. Anyone know of a speaker comparable to the v4 20 with real wood veneer?

Posted in the speakers forum-Now asking Paradigm owners--

Found in a local audio recycler shop;
Paradigm Titan v2 pr. with stands
Atom v2 " "
CC-170 center
PS-1000 vs sub
Look in perfect physical condition, sub sound good and so do front pair (did'nt listen to the others)
They are asking $499.00/set plus cables inc

I had a couple Studio 60's and a Servo 15 from back about 2001 and guess they were either v2 or v3 but I don't have them now and I'm not sure when Paradigm introduced the v3 line. So, to broaden the question, can someone post the month/year in which Paradigm released the Reference Studio's in versions 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5.


Brian

About the only thing I can complain about now is that I'm still dealing with a vinyl exterior as opposed to a nice wood veneer. Anyone know of a speaker comparable to the v4 20 with real wood veneer?The Paradigm Studio v5 20 w/real wood veneer is my best guess. :cool:

Nice rug!!

Have owned the Studio 100 v4's for several weeks now and I've identified significant distortion from one of the midrange drivers. Needless to say, I'm disappointed having a failure already, as my previous Def Tech BP30's stood up to all kinds of college stupidness and loud parties and never had any issues. I've been keeping these things around 85db for the listening I've done since I got them.

Question is - Has anyone else had driver failures / is it prevalent? I'm apt to return something that costs this much and has this type of hardware issue.

Were they floor models or new in boxes?

Have owned the Studio 100 v4's for several weeks now and I've identified significant distortion from one of the midrange drivers. Needless to say, I'm disappointed having a failure already
Question is - Has anyone else had driver failures / is it prevalent? I'm apt to return something that costs this much and has this type of hardware issue.

Its a man made object..... these things happen... Also what amp are you driving them with...?

I have just replaced 2 of my bass drivers, one on each of my Studio 100's, had them just 2 years..... I'm surprised something hasn't happened sooner they way I blast the hell out of them all the time... :o I have been powering mine with a Rotel 1095 200x5 for that period, I have a Wyred4Sound amp on the way 500wpc, that will be better for the speakers, effortless power....

If its under warranty just have the dealer order you a new one and put it in yourself. 8 screws and the driver is replaced. There are rubber cups on each of the screws to seal the holes as well they need to be reused.

The driver rubber that is tight to the baffle pretty much sticks to the baffle , you have to gently pry the driver loose, then your good to go... easy.

They were NIB. I've driven them with a couple amps, but primarily a Denon 4308ci, 140wpc, which is the same power amp they had in the demo room at the dealer (though it was a Marantz separate).

Can't help but feel slighted... the dealer specifically touted Paradigm's QC process. I've owned DiY, Signet Audio, Infinity, Polk, Def Tech and Vandersteen and never had a driver blow. Wouldn't have expected it on the most costly one, and certainly don't want to have to repair it myself, perhaps they will come to my house to do the replacement.

Will contact the dealer tomorrow, they're closed Sundays.

You can't take 8 allen head screws out of a driver and remove it... wow... :confused:

Maybe you ought to give it a try, you might learn something....

Didn't say I was incapable, said I don't feel I should have to.... $3500 for speakers, I shouldn't have to replace parts myself 2 weeks later.

Didn't say I was incapable, said I don't feel I should have to.... $3500 for speakers, I shouldn't have to replace parts myself 2 weeks later.


ah touche'

I guess I would rather not have a possible incompetent monkey messing with my stuff.... :)

My apologies....

The Paradigm Studio v5 20 w/real wood veneer is my best guess. :cool:

I'd have to wait 2 years before they drop to my budget level. They look pretty good though.

Femal vocals on the v4 20's are very good. Still breaking in the speakers. Toeing the speakers in allow for an image that's pure audio holography! I can never get that with my bipolar Def Techs!

Where can I find pricing info for the Signature line?

^Paradigm prices including Sigs:http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

They were NIB. I've driven them with a couple amps, but primarily a Denon 4308ci, 140wpc, which is the same power amp they had in the demo room at the dealer (though it was a Marantz separate).

Can't help but feel slighted... the dealer specifically touted Paradigm's QC process. I've owned DiY, Signet Audio, Infinity, Polk, Def Tech and Vandersteen and never had a driver blow. Wouldn't have expected it on the most costly one, and certainly don't want to have to repair it myself, perhaps they will come to my house to do the replacement.

Will contact the dealer tomorrow, they're closed Sundays.

The amp in the Denon receiver is the same as the one in a Marantz separate?

Right.

^Paradigm prices including Sigs:http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html


Great Info
Thanks !

-Digs

Ok owners. I need some help in making a decision. The 20's are my first pair of bi-amp capable speakers. Am I better off connecting them conventionally, bi-wiring, or bi-amping? What would be the pros/cons? I can re-assign the rear surrounds amps to act as an additional amp for the fronts on my Rotel receiver. Any help is appreciated.

Ok owners. I need some help in making a decision. The 20's are my first pair of bi-amp capable speakers. Am I better off connecting them conventionally, bi-wiring, or bi-amping? What would be the pros/cons? I can re-assign the rear surrounds amps to act as an additional amp for the fronts on my Rotel receiver. Any help is appreciated.

Oh please.....lots of threads around with 100's of posts.

This is not the place.

Ok owners. I need some help in making a decision. The 20's are my first pair of bi-amp capable speakers. Am I better off connecting them conventionally, bi-wiring, or bi-amping? What would be the pros/cons? I can re-assign the rear surrounds amps to act as an additional amp for the fronts on my Rotel receiver. Any help is appreciated.

Best thing u can do it to pick ur favorite DVD and your favorite CD. Try all three on our favorite scene from the DVD and your favorite track on the CD. Which ever one sounds the best to YOUR EARS in YOUR SYSTEM in YOUR ROOM is the one to go with.

Forget what every one else says about the pros and cons. Go with what sounds best to u. You're the one that has to listen to it everyday, make yourself happy.

Hi,

Would like to know comment and input from owner of Paradigm to pair with NAD AV receiver.

I am looking at the NAD T785.


Thanks

Hi,

Would like to know comment and input from owner of Paradigm to pair with NAD AV receiver.

I am looking at the NAD T785.


Thanksi will be using the same t785 or t175 with their t975 7 channel amp. im going to hear a demo today with this setup

T975 Seven Channel Power Amplifier Features
7 x 140W Continuous Power (4 or 8 Ohms); all channels driven simultaneously (20 Hz to 20 kHz with 0.03% THD)
Dynamic Power - 230W 8 Ohms, 345W 4 Ohms, 570W 2 Ohms
PowerDrive™ amplifier technology
Mono-block, Modular construction
Balanced Differential, Class A input circuit topology
Low loss, massive Holmgren toroidal mains transformer
Input gain control for each individual channel
Thermostatically controlled fan with signal tracking circuit
Custom 5-Way Binding Posts
12V Trigger for advanced control options
NAD Soft Clipping™
Detachable AC cord

The amp in the Denon receiver is the same as the one in a Marantz separate?

Right.

It's rated for the same RMS, not the same amp. From independent reviews I've seen, Denon is pretty fair in their wattage ratings. The point was that it's unlikely it was an amp issue (not to mention I've powered other speakers for over a year and never had any blown drivers).

Try to post a negative experience and everyone wants to argue with me.... Didn't realize this was the Paradigm fanboy-only thread. I still like the speakers, just disappointed one broke already and wanted to tell people that it's not all sunshine and rainbows all the time in Paradigm land.

Also, anyone think it would be unreasonable to request a full speaker replacement instead of a driver swap?

Part of the sales pitch at the dealer was the "extensive QC process" including testing each unit prior to release... if that's the case, then wouldn't just dropping another driver in it subvert that process?

It's rated for the same RMS, not the same amp. From independent reviews I've seen, Denon is pretty fair in their wattage ratings. The point was that it's unlikely it was an amp issue (not to mention I've powered other speakers for over a year and never had any blown drivers).

Try to post a negative experience and everyone wants to argue with me.... Didn't realize this was the Paradigm fanboy-only thread. I still like the speakers, just disappointed one broke already and wanted to tell people that it's not all sunshine and rainbows all the time in Paradigm land.
His response has absolutely nothing to do with being a Paradigm fanboy. It has to do with you stating something completely inaccurately. Being the same advertised output between an AVR and a separate amp is very different than being "the same power amp". Would you say that two vehicles with the same MPG have the same engine? (yep, a lame car analogy) No reason to be defensive - just give the right level of specificity in the comparison.

Also, anyone think it would be unreasonable to request a full speaker replacement instead of a driver swap?

Part of the sales pitch at the dealer was the "extensive QC process" including testing each unit prior to release... if that's the case, then wouldn't just dropping another driver in it subvert that process?
What's the dealer's response to replacing it? I would think it'd be quite simple to bring them back and say that it's clearly a manufacturer defect, they order a new one, and you swap.

Also, anyone think it would be unreasonable to request a full speaker replacement instead of a driver swap?

Part of the sales pitch at the dealer was the "extensive QC process" including testing each unit prior to release... if that's the case, then wouldn't just dropping another driver in it subvert that process?

I have no idea about their Paradigm's volume, but I assume it's rather large, not every product coming out of their QA\QC process will be perfect, that's an unrealistic expectation. Sounds like you got one on the wrong side of the percentages. It sucks arse, but it happens.

With that said, I do not think it's unreasonable to ask for a new speaker as opposed to a driver swap. But then again he might be stuck with that one speaker and can no longer sell it as being new... I guess it now depends on how much the dealer cares about his customers and repeat business.

Good luck, hope it works out.

I would think the dealer could sent it back to Paradigm who would then refurbish it, if it's still under warranty.

Best thing u can do it to pick ur favorite DVD and your favorite CD. Try all three on our favorite scene from the DVD and your favorite track on the CD. Which ever one sounds the best to YOUR EARS in YOUR SYSTEM in YOUR ROOM is the one to go with.

Forget what every one else says about the pros and cons. Go with what sounds best to u. You're the one that has to listen to it everyday, make yourself happy.

Thank you. Your patience is appreciated. Still breaking them in. Would the procss be accelerated if I bi-amped as each driver gets more "action"?

It's rated for the same RMS, not the same amp. From independent reviews I've seen, Denon is pretty fair in their wattage ratings. The point was that it's unlikely it was an amp issue (not to mention I've powered other speakers for over a year and never had any blown drivers).

Try to post a negative experience and everyone wants to argue with me.... Didn't realize this was the Paradigm fanboy-only thread. I still like the speakers, just disappointed one broke already and wanted to tell people that it's not all sunshine and rainbows all the time in Paradigm land.

You misunderstood. I was taking to task the comment abut the amps even being comparable. It doesn't matter what brand receiver you have, the built-in amps aren't usually up to par with what you get in a separate unit. SQ wise there may be little difference, but in actual current and real world power the separate is almost sure to win.

As far as "fan-boy" land, this is the Paradigm owners thread and we all bought what we bought because we like them. Although they are not the end all of speakers by anybody's admission here. Very nice cost to performance ratio. Thats it.

Since there are a heck of a lot of people with the same speakers as your's that haven't had the problem you are that leads me to believe that you:

1) Overdrove them.
2) Used an underpowered receiver.
3) Abused them with very loud, distored music. This leads back to #2.
4) Just got a bad pair. QC ain't what it used to be I guess. With the volume they sell, it's not impossible to get a bad one every now and then.

As another poster said, Warp I believe, he is surprised that his haven't needed driver replacement sooner, since he rocks the hell out of them.

Me, I use a receiver and (knock on wood) haven't had any issues yet. I also don't have time for lots of loud music with a toddler running around. We watch lots of animated flicks, SQ kills for those. :D

I've been listening at 80-85db, primarily uncompressed Apple lossless over an Airport express, both via an optical in on the receiver and through a Theta Digital DS Pro Prime DAC. I did a quieter break-in the first couple days. The things still sound great at low levels, but 75db+ at certain frequencies, one midrange breaks up.

I've been listening at 80-85db, primarily uncompressed Apple lossless over an Airport express, both via an optical in on the receiver and through a Theta Digital DS Pro Prime DAC. I did a quieter break-in the first couple days. The things still sound great at low levels, but 75db+ at certain frequencies, one midrange breaks up.

I have had to replace both midrange drivers on my Studio 60s V3. The speaker surface is "pimply" and the glue that holds the outer edge of the speaker cone to the flexible edge didnt hold. So i would have an audible buzzing from the speaker when ever there was loud sound. First was replaced very soon after purchase ( 5 years ago )and the other just very recently. Both replacements have been good.

I agree that the speakers shouldn't have this problem and im surprised this wasnt fixed for the v4's. However I LOVE the speakers. Best I have ever had, so Ill take the inconvenience.. for now :)

I doubt you will get a brand new speaker but asking never hurt anyone.

C

I'm going to an AT screen and putting my studio 40's and cc-570 behind it. Unfortunately, I did not prewire a sub cable to the front, only the rear. Would it help to go with the studio 100's in the front instead (to help with bass) of the 40's and keep the sub in the back? How much lower do the 100's go than the 40's?

I have had to replace both midrange drivers on my Studio 60s V3. The speaker surface is "pimply" and the glue that holds the outer edge of the speaker cone to the flexible edge didnt hold. So i would have an audible buzzing from the speaker when ever there was loud sound. First was replaced very soon after purchase ( 5 years ago )and the other just very recently. Both replacements have been good.

I agree that the speakers shouldn't have this problem and im surprised this wasnt fixed for the v4's. However I LOVE the speakers. Best I have ever had, so Ill take the inconvenience.. for now :)

I doubt you will get a brand new speaker but asking never hurt anyone.

C

Sounds promising, thanks for the chiming in.

Also, anyone think it would be unreasonable to request a full speaker replacement instead of a driver swap?

I can see your point but in a business perspective, it doesnt work that way at all.

Lets try that car analogy thing again.

You recently bought a new car and 2 months later, lets say, the head gasket blew out. Should I go any further?:rolleyes:

I can see your point but in a business perspective, it doesnt work that way at all.

Lets try that car analogy thing again.

You recently bought a new car and 2 months later, lets say, the head gasket blew out. Should I go any further?:rolleyes:

So as picky as most of us are with this obsession we call a hobby... let me phrase it this way.

I purchased a product that was communicated to me by the salesman to be a high end loudspeaker in which the manufacturer took great, great pride their QC process and rigid standards. Pride to the extent that each individual speaker was tested and validated to be within their strict parameters in an anechoic chamber before it was released to a reseller. Then one of the primary components failed almost immediately and their response is, "lemme grab a new one from the spare parts bucket and mail it to you, swap it out in your house and you should be good (paraphrased, of course ;))." To me that says a lot more about the pride they take in their product than any R&D or QC they perform.

Do I still like the speaker? Yes, it's probably the best full range speaker I've heard for the money (and then some).
Will I keep the speaker? Yes, probably for 5-10 years, with the expectation there aren't any additional defective parts.
Am I disillusioned with what I considered to be a boutique, proud audio company? You betcha... perhaps I just need to level-set my expectations against a high volume manufacturer such as Paradigm.

I'll refrain from further posting regarding the situation. Certainly not trying to rattle anyone or troll, I just wanted to convey my situation, as I felt it was a valid "Paradigm Owners" experience.

jd

Thank you. Your patience is appreciated. Still breaking them in. Would the procss be accelerated if I bi-amped as each driver gets more "action"?

I highly doubt it but I have never tried it so it's just my swag. There is plenty of debate on speaker break-in, bi-wiring, and bi-amping and both sides of the isle can be very vocal with their opinion.

Just listen and find what sounds best to u.

On the bi-amping topic... anyone have any opinion on say running Studio 100's and a CC-690 on a 250wpc Emotiva vs. bi-amped on a similar Emotiva at 200wpc? Is one theoretically better than the other? Anyone tried and been able to hear a difference?

Correct me if I am wrong but bi-amping only REALLY works if you remove the crossover from the speaker and somehow let the amp do the crossover which removes much of the charecteristic of the speaker.

Also bi-amping may change the sound of a speaker but if it actually improves it or not is nearly impossible to quantify.

I do bi-amp mine it is only passively because I don't have rear speakers and my reciever has the capacity to do so.

Umm.. wrong. :p

Correct me if I am wrong but bi-amping only REALLY works if you remove the crossover from the speaker and somehow let the amp do the crossover which removes much of the charecteristic of the speaker.

Umm.. wrong. :p

Are you kidding? how so?

Reason I asked is that I've tried the following 3 options:
1 - 140wpc integrated amp on a Denon 4308ci
2 - 200wpc on a Phase Linear 400 (32 year old amp!)
3 - 140wpc bi-amp on the Denon

Option 2 has a definite advantage over 1 and a slight one over 3. So just by math, 2X140 = 280 should offer more headroom than 200X1..... but it's also competing against a purpose-built separate, no matter the age. I've gone through all these options on my previous Def Tech BP30's with identical results.

I'm considering getting Emotiva amplifiers. The XPA-5 is 250X3 with the other option being 2X XPA-3's at 200WPC (and a lot more footprint, heat, weight etc.).

Recievers run "bi-amped" don't really double the wattage...

This isn't precisely the situation, but I see what you mean...

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/2676/test-bench-denon-avr-4308ci-av-receiver.html

In summary, it says 155wpc in stereo and 126wpc with 5 channels driven. So it's not a 2X increase over the advertised 140wpc, but it's still overall a higher combined wattage than the old Phase Linear (probably 260-270 / side in 4 channel mode).

Reason I asked is that I've tried the following 3 options:
1 - 140wpc integrated amp on a Denon 4308ci
2 - 200wpc on a Phase Linear 400 (32 year old amp!)
3 - 140wpc bi-amp on the Denon

Option 2 has a definite advantage over 1 and a slight one over 3. So just by math, 2X140 = 280 should offer more headroom than 200X1..... but it's also competing against a purpose-built separate, no matter the age. I've gone through all these options on my previous Def Tech BP30's with identical results.

I'm considering getting Emotiva amplifiers. The XPA-5 is 250X3 with the other option being 2X XPA-3's at 200WPC (and a lot more footprint, heat, weight etc.).
Biamping will not double your power and it might sound better than the older amp
since caps age and start to go bad along with other related parts as with
time they don't hold their original spec.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I made a decision and the rest of my Paradigm Monitor setup has been ordered and should be in my home within 2 weeks. My lonely CC-290 will be joined by 2 Monitor 9s and 2 Mini Monitors (w. the matching S-26 stands). The dealer was easy to deal with (especially since all he really had to do was place the order as I had already decided on what I wanted). Happy to be part of the Paradigm family!

Currently running my room-mates Onkyo 605. Thinking about getting the Denon 2809. Denon and Paradigm are a good match from what I've heard :).

I decided to bi-amp and see how it sounds. Please let me know if the following is the correct procedure for my equipment as I have never bi-amped before and don't want to damage anything:

1) Reassigned Center Back (CB) amps to fronts on the Rotel RSX-1067 receiver.
2) Calibrate the conventional fronts with the reassigned CB to have the same level by testing each separately with an SPL meter while the 20's still have the jumper across both pair of binding posts.
3) Remove the jumper and connect each pair of speaker wire to the respective binding post on the rear of the 20's.

Does this sound about right or did I miss a step? I would imagine bi-wiring would be similar except I'm running off the same amp for both sets of wire and don't need to reassign the CB amp.

Correct me if I am wrong but bi-amping only REALLY works if you remove the crossover from the speaker and somehow let the amp do the crossover which removes much of the charecteristic of the speaker.

Also bi-amping may change the sound of a speaker but if it actually improves it or not is nearly impossible to quantify.

I do bi-amp mine it is only passively because I don't have rear speakers and my reciever has the capacity to do so.

You're wrong on the 1st point. There are a number of reasons to bi-amp. Almost none of which result in audible improvements most of the time for most people. I still do it though.

See this link. (http://www.sonicfrontiers.com/HTML/TechnicalSupport/TechSupport.html#5)

I decided to bi-amp and see how it sounds. Please let me know if the following is the correct procedure for my equipment as I have never bi-amped before and don't want to damage anything:

1) Reassigned Center Back (CB) amps to fronts on the Rotel RSX-1067 receiver.
2) Calibrate the conventional fronts with the reassigned CB to have the same level by testing each separately with an SPL meter while the 20's still have the jumper across both pair of binding posts.
3) Remove the jumper and connect each pair of speaker wire to the respective binding post on the rear of the 20's.

Does this sound about right or did I miss a step? I would imagine bi-wiring would be similar except I'm running off the same amp for both sets of wire and don't need to reassign the CB amp.

1) should be rear surrounds. L & R.

1) should be rear surrounds. L & R.

Rotel's terminology is CB's instead of rear surrounds but I know what you mean. ;)

You're wrong on the 1st point. There are a number of reasons to bi-amp. Almost none of which result in audible improvements most of the time for most people. I still do it though.

See this link. (http://www.sonicfrontiers.com/HTML/TechnicalSupport/TechSupport.html#5)

Correct me if I am wrong but bi-amping only REALLY works if you remove the crossover from the speaker and somehow let the amp do the crossover which removes much of the charecteristic of the speaker.

Also bi-amping may change the sound of a speaker but if it actually improves it or not is nearly impossible to quantify.

I do bi-amp mine it is only passively because I don't have rear speakers and my reciever has the capacity to do so.

I decided to bi-amp and see how it sounds. Please let me know if the following is the correct procedure for my equipment as I have never bi-amped before and don't want to damage anything:

1) Reassigned Center Back (CB) amps to fronts on the Rotel RSX-1067 receiver.
2) Calibrate the conventional fronts with the reassigned CB to have the same level by testing each separately with an SPL meter while the 20's still have the jumper across both pair of binding posts.
3) Remove the jumper and connect each pair of speaker wire to the respective binding post on the rear of the 20's.

Does this sound about right or did I miss a step? I would imagine bi-wiring would be similar except I'm running off the same amp for both sets of wire and don't need to reassign the CB amp.

Unless you're using a mono-block amp, passive bi-amping will do absolutely nothing.

As one example - All the power you send the speaker has to go through a single transformer in the amp. Whether you split that over two wires (and channels) or not, makes absolutely no difference on the total power draw from the single transformer.

That transformer has to feed all channels, and is capable of whatever it's capable of. Sending more power over a single channel, or less power over each of the two channels (but the same total power), is completely meaningless in terms of amplifier effectiveness and speaker output.

(And if one channel of the amp is already underpowered to to drive the speaker, it's extremely unlikely that bi-amping will improve much. You need an amp with more total power output.)

Unless you're using a mono-block amp, passive bi-amping will do absolutely nothing.

As one example - All the power you send the speaker has to go through a single transformer in the amp. Whether you split that over two wires (and channels) or not, makes absolutely no difference on the total power draw from the single transformer.

That transformer has to feed all channels, and is capable of whatever it's capable of. Sending more power over a single channel, or less power over each of the two channels (but the same total power), is completely meaningless in terms of amplifier effectiveness and speaker output.

(And if one channel of the amp is already underpowered to to drive the speaker, it's extremely unlikely that bi-amping will improve much. You need an amp with more total power output.)

True, too bad you didn't cover another valid reason to bi-amp. The reason I do it.

Lets not muddy this thread with bi-amp talk. He asked i told him, if he wants to know why he should do it he can PM me or do a search.

True, too bad you didn't cover another valid reason to bi-amp. The reason I do it.

Lets not muddy this thread with bi-amp talk. He asked i told him, if he wants to know why he should do it he can PM me or do a search.

LOL... I can't imagine a reason you would do it that is so secretive you won't post it?

There's really no valid reason to bi-amp. Most mono-block amps have more than enough power to drive the speakers, and single-transformer amps really make no difference at all.

The link you referred to is more about debating passive versus active bi-amping, which only matters if bi-amping matters, which it doesn't. Active bi-amping though, is the only justification for bi-amping at all, and as Anthem/Paragidm says in that link, why would you buy speakers and then gut the crossovers?

And bi-amp discussions in a speaker thread are very relevant, I think. Especially since it comes up every few months and it's a good idea to let people know how pointless it is.

LOL... I can't imagine a reason you would do it that is so secretive you won't post it?

It has been covered so many times, I think it gets old for some regular posters to see the subject come up so many times.

But here it goes.

Low frequencies are what cause an amplifier to clip, they take the most power to reproduce. Right?

Driving the HP section of a speaker with a separate amplifier, even one in a receiver, will reduce the chance of sending a clipped signal to you HP section, since chance are, that the HP section amplifier won't be clipping even if the LP section amplifier is.

This is really only beneficial if you drive your speakers full range, which I do when listening to music. HT is crossed over at 60hz, however the speakers are still bi-amped.

Thats it, no magic, no secret. Just logic. Maybe wrong, I don't know. But I had the unused channels in my receiver and the speaker wire was cheap. :)

I will say that I can't detect any audible difference. Just peace of mind.

The reason I copied to that link was because one poster had said that he believed to bi-amp you had to rip out a speakers crossovers and use an outboard unit. Thats just one way.

It has been covered so many times, I think it gets old for some regular posters to see the subject come up so many times.

But here it goes.

Low frequencies are what cause an amplifier to clip, they take the most power to reproduce. Right?

Driving the HP section of a speaker with a separate amplifier, even one in a receiver, will reduce the chance of sending a clipped signal to you HP section, since chance are, that the HP section amplifier won't be clipping even if the LP section amplifier is.

This is really only beneficial if you drive your speakers full range, which I do when listening to music. HT is crossed over at 60hz, however the speakers are still bi-amped.

Thats it, no magic, no secret. Just logic. Maybe wrong, I don't know. But I had the unused channels in my receiver and the speaker wire was cheap. :)

I will say that I can't detect any audible difference. Just peace of mind.

The reason I copied to that link was because one poster had said that he believed to bi-amp you had to rip out a speakers crossovers and use an outboard unit. Thats just one way.

I understand your logic, but it is wrong, at least with a single-transformer amp/AVR (i.e. non-mono-block).

If you're clipping, you're unable to send enough power. The transformer is the limiting factor there, and if there's only one, then sending power over two wires will make zero difference. That single transformer can only do what it can do, and the number of channels are just a way to send the power out. If you're clipping through one channel, you're going to clip through two channels to the same speaker, since the total power required isn't changing, so the transformer will still be maxed out.

In a mono-block amp (or separate amps), then you're actually increasing the available power, so it's technically different. But if you've got a mono-block amp or multiple amps, the likelihood that you're "on the edge" of the power needed (i.e. clipping), is very unlikely.

Anyway, while it seems like it makes sense, it doesn't. Bi-amping just doesn't do anything at all, except use extra wire and comsume amp connections.

(And the issue is active versus passive bi-amping. The person is correct that active bi-amping is the only way you'll really see any difference. Passive bi-amping is pointless completely. Anthem's statement is just telling you not to even bother with active bi-amping, as you're ripping out all their hard work.)

How can you tell if an amp is clipping?

How can you tell if an amp is clipping?

It's horribly audible. The problem that you'd notice is that the speakers sound like they're broken, usually at high volumes with dynamic content.

The solution is more total power, either a replacement amp, or additional amps.

So for most cases a 130w amp for a reputable, if not premium company (like the Onkyo 805) can drive paradigms without clipping?

So for most cases a 130w amp for a reputable, if not premium company (like the Onkyo 805) can drive paradigms without clipping?

Depends... the Studios drop really low on the resistance curve, and at high volumes the 805 might have a problem? I think only the 905/6 has the improved teroidal transformer?

For anything else in the Paradigm lineup, the 805 should be fine.

I have the studios... I am considering an emotiva xpa-3 for my front stage.

I generally listen at 80db +/- 5db for movies

In a mono-block amp (or separate amps), then you're actually increasing the available power, so it's technically different. But if you've got a mono-block amp or multiple amps, the likelihood that you're "on the edge" of the power needed (i.e. clipping), is very unlikely.

Anyway, while it seems like it makes sense, it doesn't. Bi-amping just doesn't do anything at all, except use extra wire and comsume amp connections.



Alright, I'll play devil's advocate here.

About the argument that since you're driving two channels versus one, each channel has less output: you're right, to a point. But the outputs aren't cut in half each time you double the number of channels, according to spec sheets on every receiver I've looked at. If that were the case, this 100x7 W RMS amp would be putting out 350 WPC RMS when ran in stereo mode. Yes, the output capacity of the transformer allows that much power to be drawn from it, and it doesn't care how many channels it feeds into. But I'm wondering if other components in the system aren't this robust/versatile in power handling capability (capacitors, diodes, resistors, IC's...whatever; take your pick). So are you sure the transformer is always the limiting factor in a commercial amp design? It would seem to make sense from a design standpoint, since limiting the power there would avoid overpowering the other components. I just haven't looked into this before.

As a simple example, I've built a really basic amp with National Instruments' LM3875 op amp. The spec sheet on this op amp rates it at a max. peak output power of 100W. I could pair whatever huge transformer I wanted with it, but beyond 100W of output power, the op amp would be fried (I'm guessing either it can't provide enough gain, or can't handle that high of an input current or voltage). However, using 2 op amps (aka 2 channels), I could deliver a total peak output power of 200W before either amp got fried, provided the transformer is up to the task.

So let's say I have a receiver that is rated at 100WPC x 7, with all channels driven.

Even if we theorize that you're running the transformer at 100% capacity, and we ignore the limitations of all the other components, assuming the power is evenly distributed among channels; running 1 channel in a 5-channel setup would give you 1/5 the amp's total power (20%), whereas running two channels off a seven channel setup would give you 2/7 (~ 28.6%) of the total power. (So I'm saying we have 5 speakers, and a 7 channel amp. Bi amping the fronts uses two channels out of seven, per speaker, and each front speaker gets 28.6% the amp's total power, with the center and surrounds each getting 1/7, or 14.3%. Whereas running one channel out of a five channel setup feeds each speaker 20% of the max. output power.)

Unless I'm totally missing something, it seems like the front speakers will at least receive more power when bi-amped than they would otherwise, giving you more dynamic ability or headroom on a given speaker than you would've had if those channels had gone unused (yes, the other speakers will take a hit here to compensate; once again, assuming you're running the amp at full capacity and ignoring other component limitations).

Anyway, feel free to take this discussion to pm's. I don't want to start an argument, I'm just trying to understand what's really going on inside the amp. :)

Back on topic...can't wait to hear the Studio v5's! My dealer said he had some delays, and doesn't expect to get them in for another 2 weeks or so.

See? I knew this thread would mutate on the pro's/con's of bi-amping and thats why I suggested to post in the other 20/30 threads that are around on this.

Next one who posts here on the subject gets http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/774_smiley_getting_kicked_in_the_balls.gif

See? I knew this thread would mutate on the pro's/con's of bi-amping and thats why I suggested to post in the other 20/30 threads that are around on this.

Next one who posts here on the subject gets http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/774_smiley_getting_kicked_in_the_balls.gif

I tried to keep quiet, I swear. :D

Thanks for the technical responses... logical answers to why I can hear a difference (when I didn't expect to).

I was considering a pair of Monitor 9's floorstanding to replace my JBl E80. I wonder how much better they would be. I can't audition them but I know Paradigm is a nice brand.

Tried bi-amping and I couldn't hear any audible improvement through my receiver. The speaker sounds nice enough using the conventional way. I think only monoblocks would help at this point (maybe electronic crossover too).

Anyone know of any good deals on a Paradigm CC-290 to along with the Monitor 9 v.3's?

Hey guys:

I was just wondering how many of you are using Class D (digital amps) to power your speakers, mainly the Signature line. I've read a couple of reviews where Class D amps were used and seemed to have a synergistic match with Paradigm and their Signature line, such as Bel Canto, Wyred 4 Sound and D-Sonic.

Is there any one of these amps that have an edge sonically with the Signatures and what would be the lowest wpc I should consider to power the S8's? All of these amps seem capable of being able to double down to drive 4 ohm loads as well. The S8's are 8 ohm speakers and are relatively efficient. There are some multi-channel amps from these companies that are 250wpc and some that have 525wpc. The lower wattage output definitely saves me money.

Any thoughts, suggestions? Thanks!

Hey guys:

I was just wondering how many of you are using Class D (digital amps) to power your speakers, mainly the Signature line. I've read a couple of reviews where Class D amps were used and seemed to have a synergistic match with Paradigm and their Signature line, such as Bel Canto, Wyred 4 Sound and D-Sonic.

Is there any one of these amps that have an edge sonically with the Signatures and what would be the lowest wpc I should consider to power the S8's? All of these amps seem capable of being able to double down to drive 4 ohm loads as well. The S8's are 8 ohm speakers and are relatively efficient. There are some multi-channel amps from these companies that are 250wpc and some that have 525wpc. The lower wattage output definitely saves me money.

Any thoughts, suggestions? Thanks!


While I think there are plenty of folks that will argue there are no good Class D amps and that only a Class A or AB amp is worthy I think many others will happily play their music with a good Class D amp.

I have just picked up a Pioneer SC-05 AVR with ICE based Class D amplification and plan to use it to drive a pair of Studio 100 fronts, a CC-690 center and a pair of Studio 20 rears. At present I will drive all speakers with the SC-05 but when I move to a place that permits me to open it up I'll probably get some higher powered mono blocks for the fronts and center. I'd like to get amps with about 300W-500W per channel.

Anyway, I should have the Paradigm's within a week and I'll let you know how the system sounds.


Brian

Brian:

I look forward to seeing how your speakers and amps fit. I was also only checking class A A/B amps because that's all I've ever owned, so when I see a 7 channel amp weighing 35lbs I get nervous. But I read the review at hometheaterhifi.com on the Signature 8's and they were using one amp and then switched to the Bel Canto, and it was a night/day type of fit, then I really started to think about maybe I should go and look at different amps instead of the 100lb monsters I had been looking..

So let's say I have a receiver that is rated at 100WPC x 7, with all channels driven.

Even if we theorize that you're running the transformer at 100% capacity, and we ignore the limitations of all the other components, assuming the power is evenly distributed among channels; running 1 channel in a 5-channel setup would give you 1/5 the amp's total power (20%), whereas running two channels off a seven channel setup would give you 2/7 (~ 28.6%) of the total power. (So I'm saying we have 5 speakers, and a 7 channel amp. Bi amping the fronts uses two channels out of seven, per speaker, and each front speaker gets 28.6% the amp's total power, with the center and surrounds each getting 1/7, or 14.3%. Whereas running one channel out of a five channel setup feeds each speaker 20% of the max. output power.)

Unless I'm totally missing something, it seems like the front speakers will at least receive more power when bi-amped than they would otherwise, giving you more dynamic ability or headroom on a given speaker than you would've had if those channels had gone unused (yes, the other speakers will take a hit here to compensate; once again, assuming you're running the amp at full capacity and ignoring other component limitations).

Yes, you're totally missing something. Those "specs" are just rough specifications and guidelines. The bottom line is the transformer can put out what it can put it. How that maps to various resistance levels from the speakers is what they try to enumerate, and how that relates to multiple speakers of that same resistance is also what they try to enumerate.

The reality is that a speaker *NEVER* exhibits a single resistance level. Never ever. An "8-ohm" speaker will go as low as 2-ohms in normal playback, requiring lots more power for those dips.

So any metric that lists a single resistance/wattage is ultimately meaningless.

And it all comes back to what the tranformer can put out. Whether that's over one channel or 7 or anything in between. Without multiple transformers, bi-amping does nothing (and even with multiple transformers passive bi-amping is pretty meaningless except in fringe cases).

(On cheaper amps/AVRs, each channel will likely have come limiting factors in place preventing near-100% transformer utilization ove a single channel, but bi-amping still will make no difference if the problem you're trying to solve is not enough power to the speaker.)

I understand your logic, but it is wrong, at least with a single-transformer amp/AVR (i.e. non-mono-block).

If you're clipping, you're unable to send enough power. The transformer is the limiting factor there, and if there's only one, then sending power over two wires will make zero difference. That single transformer can only do what it can do, and the number of channels are just a way to send the power out. If you're clipping through one channel, you're going to clip through two channels to the same speaker, since the total power required isn't changing, so the transformer will still be maxed out.

In a mono-block amp (or separate amps), then you're actually increasing the available power, so it's technically different. But if you've got a mono-block amp or multiple amps, the likelihood that you're "on the edge" of the power needed (i.e. clipping), is very unlikely.

Anyway, while it seems like it makes sense, it doesn't. Bi-amping just doesn't do anything at all, except use extra wire and comsume amp connections.

(And the issue is active versus passive bi-amping. The person is correct that active bi-amping is the only way you'll really see any difference. Passive bi-amping is pointless completely. Anthem's statement is just telling you not to even bother with active bi-amping, as you're ripping out all their hard work.)


We disagree. Just because one channel is clipping it does not mean that the other channels will be clipping as well. Sorry.

See? I knew this thread would mutate on the pro's/con's of bi-amping and thats why I suggested to post in the other 20/30 threads that are around on this.

Next one who posts here on the subject gets http://www.clipartof.com/images/emoticons/xsmall2/774_smiley_getting_kicked_in_the_balls.gif

You saw that I didn't want to post it.....he made me. Sort of.

Sorry. :o

I'm currently running three Studio 20's V.3 across the front with good results, but its in a 6000 cu/ft room with a Denon 2309 and I'm wanting a little for volume during big action movies. Unfortunately my room won't allow for floorstanders due to built-ins along the front wall. I have a friend that's wanting to part with his Studio 40's and I was wondering if anyone on here has experimented with a Studio 20 as a center channel for their Studio 40's...I know the sound would not be perfectly consistent with panning but since its the same tweeter and midrange, is it close enough?

Thanks,

I'm currently running three Studio 20's V.3 across the front with good results, but its in a 6000 cu/ft room with a Denon 2309 and I'm wanting a little for volume during big action movies. Unfortunately my room won't allow for floorstanders due to built-ins along the front wall. I have a friend that's wanting to part with his Studio 40's and I was wondering if anyone on here has experimented with a Studio 20 as a center channel for their Studio 40's...I know the sound would not be perfectly consistent with panning but since its the same tweeter and midrange, is it close enough?

Thanks,

Since he's your friend, he will probably let you borrow the 40s right? That way you can set it all up and see if it works for you. :)

I think it would sound fine personally.;)

Since he's your friend, he will probably let you borrow the 40s right? That way you can set it all up and see if it works for you. :)

I think it would sound fine personally.;)

+1

Give it a shot, they are from the same lineage, i'll bet it would sound spectacular, please report back with your findings. The biggest issue with people is they ask about mixing different brands across the front stage, but your def selecting products with the same sound signature - as you say same tweeter and mid....

On the Studio 20s...my grilles are old and getting worn from hundreds of movings/tweakings...anyone have any experience replacing grill cloth on these? I looked closely and it appears that the grill cloth is glue VERY securely to the frams...may be a recipe for disaster but there are many discolorations on my grilles from the plastice grill beneath rubbing against the cloth...you know the look, it looks like a coarse screen door.

Just call paradigm and get new ones. For studio 60's they were only $50 each so I am sure they are less for 20's

I recently bought my first home, and finally have a basement to set up my HT. I am currently using a 5.1 setup with Polk RTi speakers, and a Velodyne DPS-10 sub. I am content with the sub for the time being. I have a Denon 3808 CI for my AVR. Can you guys recommend some speakers for me? I have an old pair of Atoms (v.2) that are still great speakers, so I am heavily interested in Paradigm.

The family room in my basement is a rectanular-shaped room. It has 4 doorways, but I can shut all the doors. The stairs lead down into the room. It is 12'x26' with about 8' ceilings. I'm not afraid to spend a bit, but want to keep things somewhat reasonable (no sigs).

The system is for about 95% HT. I rarely listen to music. I will probably stick with the Denon for the immediate future, but may upgrade to a separate amp (emotiva, outlaw, anthem) in the future. Thanks in advance for your advice!

We disagree. Just because one channel is clipping it does not mean that the other channels will be clipping as well. Sorry.

Maybe you don't understand what clipping means? It basically comes from the amp not delivering enough power to the speakers. A channel doesn't "clip", the amp is simply unable to deliver enough power.

The point is, you're not going to get any more power from two channels in a single-transformer amp than you would out of one, if you're already maxing it out (with very few if any exceptions). The single transformer can only do what it can do, and trying to magically make that one transformer send out more power by simply connecting two channels won't work. It's still one transformer, and it's still got the same power limits.

In a mono-block amp, that's totally different, since each channel has it's own transformer and if one is maxed, a second one can literally double the power. That being said, most mono-block amps provide more than enough power on each channel to not have this issue anyway.

Sorry.

I recently bought my first home, and finally have a basement to set up my HT. I am currently using a 5.1 setup with Polk RTi speakers, and a Velodyne DPS-10 sub. I am content with the sub for the time being. I have a Denon 3808 CI for my AVR. Can you guys recommend some speakers for me? I have an old pair of Atoms (v.2) that are still great speakers, so I am heavily interested in Paradigm.

The family room in my basement is a rectanular-shaped room. It has 4 doorways, but I can shut all the doors. The stairs lead down into the room. It is 12'x26' with about 8' ceilings. I'm not afraid to spend a bit, but want to keep things somewhat reasonable (no sigs).

The system is for about 95% HT. I rarely listen to music. I will probably stick with the Denon for the immediate future, but may upgrade to a separate amp (emotiva, outlaw, anthem) in the future. Thanks in advance for your advice!

In no particular order:

Paradigm Monitor series such as the Mini Monitors or Titans (V5) for the front & Mini's or Atoms (V5) for the rear and a CC290-390 v5 for the center with your Denon would be a great match and economical. Your Velodyne sub is a bit long in the tooth and technology wise. I would go with a AV123 MFW-15, which matches outstandingly with the Paradigms noted. Avoid Paradigm subs as they can't even approach the MFW-15 for $700. Be sure to use quality speaker wire such as Kimber 4TC or Anticables (http://www.anticables.com/).

For the sub, I would recommend AQ Sub 3 powered cable, there is nothing else on the market that even approaches it.

My comments are not personal bias's but 28 years of retail experience.

Should you desire floor standers, then go with monitor 9's or 11's instead.

First time Paradigm owner, bought a used 5.1 set consisting of:
Pr. Titan v2
Pr. Atom v2
CC-170
PS-1000
Just bought a Elite VSX-94TXH receiver. What extra Paradigm speakers should i add to change this into a 7.1 set? :confused:

First time Paradigm owner, bought a used 5.1 set consisting of:
Pr. Titan v2
Pr. Atom v2
CC-170
PS-1000
Just bought a Elite VSX-94TXH receiver. What extra Paradigm speakers should i add to change this into a 7.1 set? :confused:

2 more atoms :)

The family room in my basement is a rectanular-shaped room. It has 4 doorways, but I can shut all the doors. The stairs lead down into the room. It is 12'x26' with about 8' ceilings. I'm not afraid to spend a bit, but want to keep things somewhat reasonable (no sigs).

I'm no expert, but recently went through the same process.

option1) 7 atoms
option2) what ginovino said
option3 if you wanted to step it up) Studio 20's or 40's for fronts, cc-590, atoms or mini monitors for surrounds.

Hey fellas my front set up consist of Studio 60's V3 and a Monitor CC-390 V5. I was thinking about selling the CC-390 and putting that towards a CC-590. I figure this will provide a better "match" to the mains. But the fact that the 590 has less drivers than the 390 kind of makes me double think the while thing. What do you audiophile experts suggest??? Thanks (again) guys!!