Does anyone have any suggestions on what Plasma Stand/Cabinet will fit that massive 690cc inside it? I cannot mount my Pioneer 111FD on the wall so some sort of stand setup is the only solution for me but I need one that is esthically pleasing but will still fit that monster sized center channel...lol

I have a denon 2807 powering this; from what I've read here and in related topics, I think I may benefit from an external amp. Is anyone out there running a similar setup with the 2807 with or without an amp? Would love to hear what difference it made (pun intended) and what you paired with the denon to get your results.


I had Studio 40's (now have 100's) and ran them from a Denon 3808 and then added an Anthem power amp and loved the improvement. On the 100's I would definitely get a power amp.

I am running 5.1 with Studio 60 v3's for fronts, cc-570 center and ADP-590 v.5 sides.

I realized my room will work for 7.1 (7.2 soon I hope)...

I am looking for advice on rears.

1. Studio 10 v.5
2. Studio 20 v.4

If you could get both for about 600-650 what would you do?

Does the v.5 rear soundfield matter? would it be worth getting the smaller speaker?

Are Studio 20 v.4 rear ported??? I need something that can be basically on wall (not hung but on a modified bookshelf)

The 20's are front ported. I just ordered the new 10's for my rears in my 7.1 as I don't think the rears are extremely important (to get the 20's over the 10's) and neither did my dealer. But some members here posted in my build thread that the 20's would be better. So I dunno. :) See the last page of my build thread for the discussion.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what Plasma Stand/Cabinet will fit that massive 690cc inside it? I cannot mount my Pioneer 111FD on the wall so some sort of stand setup is the only solution for me but I need one that is esthically pleasing but will still fit that monster sized center channel...lol

My Panny 50" weighs more then your Pioneer... how about this for your answer... been sitting there for 2 years now... I think it looks great...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/AcousticPanels004small.jpg

LOL - good luck. I had the same problem and had to get a Millenia 20 to fit.

When I mount my plasma one day I will upgrade.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what Plasma Stand/Cabinet will fit that massive 690cc inside it? I cannot mount my Pioneer 111FD on the wall so some sort of stand setup is the only solution for me but I need one that is esthically pleasing but will still fit that monster sized center channel...lol

I had Studio 40's (now have 100's)

The 20's are front ported. I just ordered the new 10's for my rears in my 7.1 as I don't think the rears are extremely important (to get the 20's over the 10's) and neither did my dealer. But some members here posted in my build thread that the 20's would be better. So I dunno. :) See the last page of my build thread for the discussion.

Are the 10's really smaller? looking at the specs they seem nearly the same size.

I am just thinking for the price used 20's might be worth it but size is my main concern.

Warpdrv,

A little off topic, but have you ever been concerned about the heat from the fireplace? I did a setup for a friend recently and their sub is in about the same position to their fireplace (wood burning) and I had a little concern to the heat from the fireplace being bad for the sub. Have you had the fireplace lit around them and noticed any heat issues??


Gixxer1
Also regarding the stand thing have you thought about a wall mount style stand? I got one for my parents setup this Christmas and the price is pretty decent on some. Note this would probably not fit the HUGE CC-690 but there are stands with adjustable shelves that can do the job.
http://photoshare.shaw.ca/image/f/7/6/82684/00045-0.jpg?rev=0

Today my other Studio 100 came!!!:D

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1001.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1002.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1003.jpg

I guess I'm gonna have to lay it on it's side:eek: or something in the temp setup until the theater is ready. But I can say - I LOVE IT!! Talk about an awesome center. I don't know if it was just that my cc-570 wasn't very good or if it's just because it matches the LR better, but man it is great:D

The dealer also loaned me a used B&K 125Wx6 amp to try out for the rears and maybe use it to biamp the surrounds and let the MCA handle the fronts. I dunno if it'll do any better than the Denon, I'm gonna try it out once the 10's come in.

Today my other Studio 100 came!!!:D

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1001.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1002.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1003.jpg

I guess I'm gonna have to lay it on it's side:eek: or something in the temp setup until the theater is ready. But I can say - I LOVE IT!! Talk about an awesome center. I don't know if it was just that my cc-570 wasn't very good or if it's just because it matches the LR better, but man it is great:D

The dealer also loaned me a used B&K 125Wx6 amp to try out for the rears and maybe use it to biamp the surrounds and let the MCA handle the fronts. I dunno if it'll do any better than the Denon, I'm gonna try it out once the 10's come in.

Those are beautiful!!!!! Does your dealer give you full trade in value?? Wish I had the change to throw down for a couple of those.

BTW: Thaeter is looking great!!! And I liked both versions before the last changes.

I agree I am not crazy about the cc-570 and wish i had money for a 690

Those are beautiful!!!!! Does your dealer give you full trade in value?? Wish I had the change to throw down for a couple of those.

BTW: Thaeter is looking great!!! And I liked both versions before the last changes.

Thanks!! Yes he gave me full trade in value for my 40's and cc-570 that I replaced these for.

Thanks for the picture! It's a very nice stand, who is the Manufacturer?

I don't think that I can place the TV on top of the new 690 though since the speaker is now curved and no longer flat.

My Panny 50" weighs more then your Pioneer... how about this for your answer... been sitting there for 2 years now... I think it looks great...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/AcousticPanels004small.jpg

Have you considered wall mounting the CC (on a shelf like setup)? You could have it above the TV but not sure if that would be practical.

Today my other Studio 100 came!!!:D


Congrats! Those look incredible. This was going to be my upgrade this year. Three studio 100's across the front, but now I think I am going to go to a 2.37 setup instead.

I am still very envious......

Thanks for the picture! It's a very nice stand, who is the Manufacturer?

I don't think that I can place the TV on top of the new 690 though since the speaker is now curved and no longer flat.

Here you go http://www.standoutdesigns.com/store/pc/Radius-C701-Solid-Wood-Entertainment-Center-p223.htm
Warp put me onto them and mine arrived last week; well worth the money.

Got an email from Paradigm today about placing my TV on a CC-690. They said - they are not rated for nearly that kind of weight and highly advise against attempting it.

My Kuro is 125 lbs.

GL

Thanks for the picture! It's a very nice stand, who is the Manufacturer?

I don't think that I can place the TV on top of the new 690 though since the speaker is now curved and no longer flat.

I had Studio 40's (now have 100's) and ran them from a Denon 3808 and then added an Anthem power amp and loved the improvement. On the 100's I would definitely get a power amp.


Thanks! Any more "budget" options that may fit well with the 2807 that people have tried?

Hi everybody Im a newbe to this forum hope Im not stepping on any thread. Great Thread lots of good info. Just joined the Paradigm club (I think ?) & AVS Forum. I will try to make the post short. I have an 18 year old audio set up Pioneer VSX95 Elite & Polk satellite/subwoofer setup. Yes time to upgrade all of it. I looked at satellite speakers first made my way to bookshelf style after two demos of sats. Lisitened to KEF, B&W, Monitor Audio, Triad, Paradigm. The Paradigm Studio 20 v.5 gave me chills they sounded so good the Triad Bronze LCRs were as close to the Studios as any of the others I heard. So I ordered the Paradigm Studios 20v.5 (2) & center CC-490 v.5. I called the Triad salesman back to let him know I went with the Paradigms he said the Paradigms were very fatiguing to listen to at high levels, thats were I like my music, I shoud bring a pair of Studio 20s home to try and I would hear they were too harsh and change to the Triad Bronze LCRs. I have listened to the Studio 20s for about 4hrs total in demo rooms very loud. I found them sharp & detailed, filled the room in sound not fatiguing. You guys have logged many more hours with Paradigm Speakers than I any thoughts to his claim.
Thanks

Congrats! Those look incredible. This was going to be my upgrade this year. Three studio 100's across the front, but now I think I am going to go to a 2.37 setup instead.

I am still very envious......

You won't regret going scope! I was dead set on doing a 16:9 screen and thanks to some members here they convinced me to go scope. I laid it out in masking tape and fired up the projector and I was sold immediately. I ended up getting a smx 150" 2:35. I can't wait to install it. Of the two I would probably get the screen first too, in fact that was my plan and I was going to wait on the 100's, but I couldn't wait:D

Thanks! Any more "budget" options that may fit well with the 2807 that people have tried?

Best bang for the buck - I would get a used power amp. Maybe try audiogon or your dealer. For instance, my dealer has an used B&K 6 channel x125W amp that he loaned me to try out to power my surrounds and rears with and he'll sell it for $400. You could even biamp your front three with something like that. Ideally getting a more powerful amp is better, but the biamped (125 to tweeter and 125 to woofers) or just normal (125) would be a great improvement over the denon (just my opinion).

I've also heard good things about Emotiva amps and they seem to be very reasonably priced.

Hi everybody Im a newbe to this forum hope Im not stepping on any thread. Great Thread lots of good info. Just joined the Paradigm club (I think ?) & AVS Forum. I will try to make the post short. I have an 18 year old audio set up Pioneer VSX95 Elite & Polk satilite/subwoofer setup. Yes time to upgrade all of it. I looked at satilite speakers first made my way to bookshelf style after two demos of sats. Lisitened to KEF, B&W, Monitor Audio, Triad, Paradigm. The Paradigm Studio 20 v.5 gave me chills they sounded so good the Triad Bronze LCRs were as close to the Studios as any of the others I heard. So I ordered the Paradigm Studios 20v.5 (2) & center CC-490 v.5. I called the Triad salesman back to let him know I went with the Paradigms he said the Paradigms were very fatiguing to listen to at high levels, thats were I like my music, I shoud bring a pair of Studio 20s home to try and I would hear they were too harsh and change to the Triad Bronze LCRs. I have listened to the Studio 20s for about 4hrs total in demo rooms very loud. I found them sharp & detailed, filled the room in sound not fatiguing. You guys have loged many more hours with Paradigm Speakers than I any thoughts to his claim.
Thanks

Go by what your ears tell you, not a competing salesman. You said you listened to the Studio 20's very loud and didn't find them fatiguing, don't let anyone else tell you to think.

Thanks THX1720 for the second opinion. The friend of mine that shopped stereo equipment with me & liked what I liked & could exchange opinions with passed on 3 years ago. So I have been doing the demos solo. Some times it's good to have a 2end pair of ears. The wife just don't care that much, as long as it is not to loud.

In a 7.1 system with Studio 60 v3, cc-570 and adp-590 v5...

Can you mix timbers with paradigms lower levels for the rear channels?

Something onwall and sleek like 2 x cinema 330 center channels or other cinema on wall fronts?

If not cinema/studio pairing because it is too far of a gap then what else small might be ok (assuming the studio esprits are not an option because I am only mixing to save $$)? Mini or Micro monitors?

***What about mixing brands and getting something like the SVS sbs-01's for rears?

Today my other Studio 100 came!!!:D

The dealer also loaned me a used B&K 125Wx6 amp to try out for the rears and maybe use it to biamp the surrounds and let the MCA handle the fronts. I dunno if it'll do any better than the Denon, I'm gonna try it out once the 10's come in.
now you will need an anthem P5:)

now you will need an anthem P5:)

You should change your user name to upgradeinstigator:D

You should change your user name to upgradeinstigator:D
after we race that slow car of yours:D

Thanks for the picture! It's a very nice stand, who is the Manufacturer?

I don't think that I can place the TV on top of the new 690 though since the speaker is now curved and no longer flat.

Here is what I did for my center channel. I do not get any delays and the sound is seamless. I used Omnimount mounts.

after we race that slow car of yours:D

I found yours:D

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd88/spunkylovemuff/Cats/funny-pictures-kitten-in-car-wheel.jpg

I found yours:D

http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd88/spunkylovemuff/Cats/funny-pictures-kitten-in-car-wheel.jpgfunny but seriously we can race for the 100's http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/rb26ina240/IMG_0818.jpg?t=1235105298

funny but seriously we can race for the 100's http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/rb26ina240/IMG_0818.jpg?t=1235105298

Nice car, looks like a lot of fun:)

I think I'll pass and keep my 100's;)

Just got a new panny (58-800) with studio 20 (V4) paridigim and the 590 center tossing the psb set to the rear and my sub staying put. Lord I have to get those studio's off the floor the sub is background now. Oh and running a 3808ci with it.

awsome speakers. With a nice center, and only a tweeter, and missing a base how the heck do they get this sound???? They are so clean and heavy.

Thanks!! Yes he gave me full trade in value for my 40's and cc-570 that I replaced these for.

Nice. Great to have a dealer like that in the area. My dealer does the same, although I didn't see any used product on the floor... hmmm.
Just went last night and bought the Atom pair and the CC-190. Next purchase HAS to be a sub. I listen to this setup with and without a sub (even an 8" Onkyo) and it was night and day difference.
Probably next year I will get floorstanders for the front and move the Atoms to the rear. At least that is my plan.

Warpdrv,

A little off topic, but have you ever been concerned about the heat from the fireplace? I did a setup for a friend recently and their sub is in about the same position to their fireplace (wood burning) and I had a little concern to the heat from the fireplace being bad for the sub. Have you had the fireplace lit around them and noticed any heat issues??




I have never had an issue with heat from my fireplace and my speakers.


Thanks for the picture! It's a very nice stand, who is the Manufacturer?

I don't think that I can place the TV on top of the new 690 though since the speaker is now curved and no longer flat.

Gixxer, you could build a unit that would work like a stand on a stand the the 690 would fit under and the tv would go on top of.

[----------] <-------- something like that..... That was my original intention, but I never got around to it, and it seems to be working just fine for this long....

Nice. Great to have a dealer like that in the area. My dealer does the same, although I didn't see any used product on the floor... hmmm.
Just went last night and bought the Atom pair and the CC-190. Next purchase HAS to be a sub. I listen to this setup with and without a sub (even an 8" Onkyo) and it was night and day difference.
Probably next year I will get floorstanders for the front and move the Atoms to the rear. At least that is my plan.

I would kill to find a dealer like that ha... In NJ all we have is 6th ave electronics and it's more of a chain store.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what Plasma Stand/Cabinet will fit that massive 690cc inside it? I cannot mount my Pioneer 111FD on the wall so some sort of stand setup is the only solution for me but I need one that is esthically pleasing but will still fit that monster sized center channel...lol

I looked everywhere for a stand but for the price this well work.
Whalen Furniture - TV Stand for Flat-Panel TVs Up to 50" or Tube TVs Up to 40" BB has them.
I have a Pioneer Elite1540 plasma sitting on top and the CC690 on the shelf below. On carpet you need to tilt it towards the back :eek: but in my old house with wood floors it was rock solid. I've had this stand for about 1 year.

I would kill to find a dealer like that ha... In NJ all we have is 6th ave electronics and it's more of a chain store.

Put in zipcodes from other areas in NJ. You may have to travel an hour but there's other dealers in NJ besides 6th ave.
Where are you at in NJ?

I tried a bunch of different jersey zips and all I was was 6th ave. I found a decent guy at 6th ave and honestly won't be shopping for speakers (besides maybe rears) for some time. I am in harrison, north jersey near bloomfield sort of.

I have listened to the Studio 20s for about 4hrs total in demo rooms very loud. I found them sharp & detailed, filled the room in sound not fatiguing. You guys have loged many more hours with Paradigm Speakers than I any thoughts to his claim.
I have a VERY short three hours on my Studio 20's (got the call they arrived yesterday and picked them up right after work). I also like my music/movies very loud (just read my previous posts where I took bottomed out Totems).

These Studio 20's v5 are replacing my PSB Image B25's. I'm running an NAD T775. Previous to buying them I listened to many speakers, the best of which, IMO, were the Totem Rainmakers. The PSB Synchrony's were amazing, but at a steep price. I NEVER listened the the Studio 20's, but I got such a good deal I figured if I didn't like them, I could EBay them and break even if not make a profit.

That said, I started off last night around 8pm with Beethoven's 9th, then went to Amy Winehouse 'Back to Black', Very Best of Diana Krall and finished off with Plant/Krauss 'Raising Sand'. It was slightly after 11pm when I was done and not only were they NOT fatiguing, but the impact, clarity, soundfield - you name the audiophile term, were excellent.

Let me add, if three hours does not get fatiguing, nothing will. I very seldom have that kind of time to dedicate to music. Fatigue usually sets in for me around 45 minutes to an hour - yes I used to own Klipsch speakers and they were very fatiguing. I'm keeping these speakers!

I'm in Medford, have a local dealer here that's pretty good.
No versions 5 yet but hoping soon.

I looked everywhere for a stand but for the price this well work.
Whalen Furniture - TV Stand for Flat-Panel TVs Up to 50" or Tube TVs Up to 40" BB has them.
I have a Pioneer Elite1540 plasma sitting on top and the CC690 on the shelf below. On carpet you need to tilt it towards the back :eek: but in my old house with wood floors it was rock solid. I've had this stand for about 1 year.
Ever think about making your own? You can get iron pipe from Home Depot/Lowes at specific lengths and the ends threaded. Then get some MDF, cut holes in each corner, slide the pipe through and fasten the nut. Do this at both ends of the pipe for rigidity and you have a center stand that will hold anything.

If you take the time to sand the pipe, paint the pipe and MDF, you can make it look very good (though it will be an industrial look). The look goes great with my dark gray NAD receiver.

Ever think about making your own? You can get iron pipe from Home Depot/Lowes at specific lengths and the ends threaded. Then get some MDF, cut holes in each corner, slide the pipe through and fasten the nut. Do this at both ends of the pipe for rigidity and you have a center stand that will hold anything.

If you take the time to sand the pipe, paint the pipe and MDF, you can make it look very good (though it will be an industrial look). The look goes great with my dark gray NAD receiver.

Don't they say a picture is worth 1 thousand word???
HAHA....
Great to hear you love the Studios. Also because I was choosing between Klipsch and Paradigms. Glad I chose Paradigms!!

Nice. Great to have a dealer like that in the area. My dealer does the same, although I didn't see any used product on the floor... hmmm.
Just went last night and bought the Atom pair and the CC-190. Next purchase HAS to be a sub. I listen to this setup with and without a sub (even an 8" Onkyo) and it was night and day difference.
Probably next year I will get floorstanders for the front and move the Atoms to the rear. At least that is my plan.

That's the setup I started out with of Paradigms! You'll be happy with those especially when you add a sub. Great speakers and when your ears get a taste of the monitor towers you'll want to upgrade, and then when you ears get a taste of the studio 20's you'll want to upgrade, and then when your ears get a taste of the studio 100's, you're screwed cause then you'll know it will never end:D

Shawn is pretty much right but I am happy to brag that I finally have my system to where I am almost 100% happy.

I put my adp's so I sit in the null of where the woofer is and angled my sub so most of my listening position's null is gone.

Right now have the:
cc-570 (would like the 690)
stuido 60 v3 (Happy with them)
adp 590 v5 (happy with them)
SVS PB13 Ultra (want to add a nearfield pc13 but am happy)

Next additions:
Sooner - SVS scs-01(m) rears (center channels but will use as rears)

Later - External amp to go with onkyo 805

much later - PC13 ultra

Today my other Studio 100 came!!!:D

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1001.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1002.jpg
http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/1003.jpg

I guess I'm gonna have to lay it on it's side:eek: or something in the temp setup until the theater is ready. But I can say - I LOVE IT!! Talk about an awesome center. I don't know if it was just that my cc-570 wasn't very good or if it's just because it matches the LR better, but man it is great:D

The dealer also loaned me a used B&K 125Wx6 amp to try out for the rears and maybe use it to biamp the surrounds and let the MCA handle the fronts. I dunno if it'll do any better than the Denon, I'm gonna try it out once the 10's come in.


That looks amazing, the only thing missing is an AT Screen :), I'm in process building my 130/140" AT screen, can't wait to see the diffeance.

That's the setup I started out with of Paradigms! You'll be happy with those especially when you add a sub. Great speakers and when your ears get a taste of the monitor towers you'll want to upgrade, and then when you ears get a taste of the studio 20's you'll want to upgrade, and then when your ears get a taste of the studio 100's, you're screwed cause then you'll know it will never end:D

I WAS so close to just buying the Monitor 7's. They sounded awesome. I didn't want to listen to anything higher up the $ line because I didn't want to be dissappointed with the Atoms. The sales guy basically talked me out of the 7's and back into the Atoms, 190 w/ sub. I'm hooking it all up tonight so I'll give it a test drive in my home. Any recommendations for a good yet inexpensive sub?

What is your idea of inexpensive for a sub?

What is your idea of inexpensive for a sub?

Well, if you notice I went with the Atom and CC-190 if that means anything to you. Probably around $300.

Edit: I hope that didn't sound to d!ckish.... was just make fun of myself.

I can sounds pretty dickish myself ha

I didn't do any shopping in that pricerange so I can't help.

People talk about the BIC america or cadence subs in that range.

The Elemental designs a2-300 is only $350 shipped and I bet its a great value.

I didn't do any shopping in that pricerange so I can't help.

People talk about the BIC america or cadence subs in that range.

The Elemental designs a2-300 is only $350 shipped and I bet its a great value.

Thanks. I know for Paradigm for anything of real value you need to get over the $500 -$700 hump. I'm gonna take a look-see over in the sub forum but figured I'd ask here since I just got the Atoms and hear if anyone had any good ideas.

i bet the a2-300 could put up a fight against anything under the seismic 12

Here you go http://www.standoutdesigns.com/store/pc/Radius-C701-Solid-Wood-Entertainment-Center-p223.htm
Warp put me onto them and mine arrived last week; well worth the money.


Hey Bigsac.... where are the pictures of that bad boy....

I fell pretty hard for that stand 2 years back when I was on the hunt, I seriously scoured the net for days, and then all of a sudden, my hunt was over...

Here are a couple of pics of my new arrival... MMMmmmm

Wyred4Sound MC7 (http://www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/site/74030/117839/shopping/shopping-view.html?pid=332927&b_id=&find_groupid=18048) 500x3 - 250x4 Class D IcePower, those numbers double at 4ohms which the Studios are well known to do under hard and heavy usage...

Don't mind the mess of wires, Just cleaned most of that up last night, too many changes of equipment lately....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/IMG_2501.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/IMG_2502.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/IMG_2504.jpg

Hey Bigsac.... where are the pictures of that bad boy....

I fell pretty hard for that stand 2 years back when I was on the hunt, I seriously scoured the net for days, and then all of a sudden, my hunt was over...

Here are a couple of pics of my new arrival... MMMmmmm

Wyred4Sound MC7 (http://www.wyred4sound.com/webapps/site/74030/117839/shopping/shopping-view.html?pid=332927&b_id=&find_groupid=18048) 500x3 - 250x4 Class D IcePower, those numbers double at 4ohms which the Studios are well known to do under hard and heavy usage...

Don't mind the mess of wires, Just cleaned most of that up last night, too many changes of equipment lately....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/IMG_2501.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/IMG_2502.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/home%20theater/IMG_2504.jpg


All that and you have an original x-box....lol. That amp must weigh 200 lbs. - beautiful though!!!!

That looks amazing, the only thing missing is an AT Screen :), I'm in process building my 130/140" AT screen, can't wait to see the diffeance.

My SMX is here, just gotta install it - hopefully next week, can't wait:D

I WAS so close to just buying the Monitor 7's. They sounded awesome. I didn't want to listen to anything higher up the $ line because I didn't want to be dissappointed with the Atoms. The sales guy basically talked me out of the 7's and back into the Atoms, 190 w/ sub. I'm hooking it all up tonight so I'll give it a test drive in my home. Any recommendations for a good yet inexpensive sub?

That's a good idea not listening to anything higher up the line, especially when on a budget. Ignorance is bliss:D

When I bought my first set of atoms and a 190, I bought a PDR-10. It was a floor model and I paid around $250 for it. In the grand scheme of subs, it's not an extremely good one, but it is pretty well matched to the atoms. Going much better than that could also overpower your atoms. SVS subs are amazing, but more expensive. I would try audiogon, you might be able to get a 800 sub when it was new for 300 or so. Your dealer may also have some demos or floor models that he'd be willing to discount.

All that and you have an original x-box....lol. That amp must weigh 200 lbs. - beautiful though!!!!Au contraire my friend, that Xbox is not for games.... Its modded and runs XBMC on it, I can stream music and movies across my network !!! please enlighten me on a standalone unit that has as slick of an interface as XBMC that will play any and I mean any format known to man. It puts out HD and Optical audio, It may not be 1080p, but its also not stuck with the restrictions that every other media player must abide by.... It still pumps out 480p or 720p which I let my Plasma upscale to whatever.

I have tried still to this day to find a solution that is even comparable and have yet to come across a GUI as slick or as flexible and upgradeable then what the XBMC has, and you can build that thing for easily less then $100(oh and that includes the Xbox). I have been using it like that since I got them Many, Many years... Might be worth checking into. :) I aint so dumb after all...

Amp weighs 55lbs - ICEPOWER !!! :)

Getting ready to make a speaker purchase and would love some reassurance that it’s the right way to go.
Yamaha 3900
Samsung 860 LCD
Directv HD
BD – soon come

Heard and priced a Paradigm system
RCL SA 30’s or 35
Millennium ADP surrounds
Seismic 10 or 12 sub

I like the built in look for fronts but I’m open to suggestions. This is a chuck of change and I would like to hear your opinion; is this a good system?
Thanks!

Au contraire my friend, that Xbox is not for games.... Its modded and runs XBMC on it, I can stream music and movies across my network !!! please enlighten me on a standalone unit that has as slick of an interface as XBMC that will play any and I mean any format known to man. It puts out HD and Optical audio, It may not be 1080p, but its also not stuck with the restrictions that every other media player must abide by.... It still pumps out 480p or 720p which I let my Plasma upscale to whatever.

I have tried still to this day to find a solution that is even comparable and have yet to come across a GUI as slick or as flexible and upgradeable then what the XBMC has, and you can build that thing for easily less then $100(oh and that includes the Xbox). I have been using it like that since I got them Many, Many years... Might be worth checking into. :) I aint so dumb after all...

Amp weighs 55lbs - ICEPOWER !!! :)

+100

There's nothing that comes close to XBMC on an XBox1 for SD content.

Sadly, it's not even close to the task of HD content (e.g. BD ISO's). And the new cross-platform XBMC build is just not in the same league as the XBox1 system (as of the last beta build I tested, at least).

To get something comparable that plays HD source content, you have to cobble together a HTPC for at least 5x the price, and about 1/5th the usability and stability.

+100

There's nothing that comes close to XBMC on an XBox1 for SD content.

Sadly, it's not even close to the task of HD content (e.g. BD ISO's). And the new cross-platform XBMC build is just not in the same league as the XBox1 system (as of the last beta build I tested, at least).

To get something comparable that plays HD source content, you have to cobble together a HTPC for at least 5x the price, and about 1/5th the usability and stability.

Thank you my friend :)

I love these machines, I have one for both my systems, I couldn't live without it !!!!

I am looking forward to when they get it all compiled to a good enough product to run on a HTPC....
Thats going to be great....

What do you use the xbox for again?

Sound svery interesting but specifically, do you stream shows, movies?

What do you use the xbox for again?

Sound svery interesting but specifically, do you stream shows, movies?

http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft-xbox/article/how-to-go-from-xbox-to-xbox-media-center-in-30-minutes.html

I can't remember the last time I downloaded an updated version of this, probably over a year ago, I think its time....


XBMC is a multimedia player/jukebox for the Xbox from Microsoft. It can be used to play or view most common video, audio, and picture formats such as MPEG-1/2/4, DivX, XviD, MP3, AAC, JPG, and GIF directly from a CD or DVD in the Xbox DVD-ROM drive or from the Xbox hard drive. XBMC can also stream files over a local network or from the Internet. Playlist and slideshow functions, a weather forecast, and many audio visualizations are also included.

http://www.productwiki.com/microsoft-xbox/article/how-to-go-from-xbox-to-xbox-media-center-in-30-minutes.html

I can't remember the last time I downloaded an updated version of this, probably over a year ago, I think its time....

Nice, I stand corrected. Thought that was a little too wierd sitting next to all the nice equipment. Sounds like a great piece of equipment!!!

Now I am pissed I paid 350 for the squeezebox duet!

Actually the GF did which is even worse cause I can't dare replace it because she is super tolerant of this nonsense and that might ruin it.

Now I am pissed I paid 350 for the squeezebox duet!

Actually the GF did which is even worse cause I can't dare replace it because she is super tolerant of this nonsense and that might ruin it.

The SB has it's place. I have 5 XBMC's (one for each main TV), and also a SB in 3 of the rooms (the rooms with full A/V setups, not including the HT).

For non-HT use, the SB is great for whole-house audio (no video). So streaming Rhapsody or Sirius or your own music throughout the house, controlled from one (or more) locations, without turning on a TV.

Totally different use-cases, and very useful on it's own.

I have 3 xboxs on 3 TV's, cause thats all I have, but I have both my main systems with dish network and with my pronto 9600 remotes I have all the SAT Radio stations programmed as pictures on the remote, so basically for whole house audio I just fire up both systems on the same radio station and can change volume and stations on the fly, from anywhere in the house or outside, its great for parties.... without having to install all those cr@ppy ceiling speakers just to have ambient music in the background.... Seems to work for me...

Is it possible to place a speaker upside down?

I bought the Millenia 20 speaker as a center - see here - http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/centers-millenia-millenia20-model-3-20-1-65.paradigm

It is symmetrical. There is no indication that it goes one wat or the other...

Just wondering - is it possible to "supposed to be" one way or another?

Thanks!

The SB has it's place. I have 5 XBMC's (one for each main TV), and also a SB in 3 of the rooms (the rooms with full A/V setups, not including the HT).

For non-HT use, the SB is great for whole-house audio (no video). So streaming Rhapsody or Sirius or your own music throughout the house, controlled from one (or more) locations, without turning on a TV.

Totally different use-cases, and very useful on it's own.

I am still a bit lost, but very interested.

Besides something like say hulu or youtube what else could a relative simpleton like me use sbmc for?

It sound cool and something is making me want one to have one but I need to justify it to myself haha

Well, if you notice I went with the Atom and CC-190 if that means anything to you. Probably around $300.


I think the general consensus on this board (in the lower price range) is that you should look at the ID brands like HSU, Outlaw (designed by HSU), SVS, ED, etc. You should be able to find something pretty close to your price range from those companies. I think most (if not all) of these have a 30 day return policy if you don't like the one you try. There are some good threads on the subwoofer forum you might want to check out.

Well here is my mini-review on the new system:

Paradigm Studio 100v4 Fronts
Paradigm Studio 20v4 Rears
Paradigm Millenia 20 Center
Paradigm DSP-3400 Sub
Yamaha RX-V3900 AV Receiver

Setup
Got everything all connected up last night. Girlfriend did the banana plug/speaker wire prep. ;) I connected everything. The banana plugs worked really well and I MUCH prefer using them over loose wire connection. They were purchased at Monoprice.com as well as the 12AWG speaker wire and HDMI cables. Talk about a deal! :D

Everything went smoothly and there were no issues - although things were a bit tight - such large speakers in an apartment dining/living area is a bit crowded! :eek:

The subwoofer is a beast as well as the 100s. Not too easy to move around - but I managed fine. Attaching the Studio 20 stands (J-29) was the hardest chore. Can't believe they don't come with "regular screws" - they have the octagon shape screw hole that you tighten using the device provided. :mad:

The Yamaha RX-V3900 receiver is a horse. What a great machine. Super easy to use GUI and OSD. Very easy to understand how to navigate. The remote is fantastic and well back-lit. The manual was very good and easy to use as a guide. No complaints here. With all the features of the 3900 almost anything can be connected. I attached a YSD11 Ipod dock by Yamaha as well as the ethernet cable to the computer router. I quickly completed the latest firmware update with the press of a couple of keys on the machine. :cool:

I played around with settings and saved my setup under one of the 6 memories on the Yammy (nice feature). I then used the YPAO microphone to do an auto-setup. Attached it to my camera tripod and let it do its thing. Takes about 3 minutes. Only complaint in the results is that it thinks my sub is 22 feet away when it is really only 7-8 feet. The manual said this is normal depending on walls/furniture etc... Who knows? :confused:

The YPAO resulted in setting my front and rear speakers to LARGE (40Hz crossover - if small) and my center to small with a 110Hz crossover. My sub is set to SUB only. I saved this in another memory slot.

I then made some adjustments - and will make some more as I play around with various media. Saved my adjustments in ANOTHER memory slot. :p

Performance
All-in-all I can say I am very happy. The speakers perform well. The Studio 100s are fantastic. They can handle so much bass and are clear and well-defined. They are true powerhouses. Wonder if an AMP will even add more to them - I can't imagine it - but that is what I hear! Great listening for 2channel music as well and in movies they totally dominate. These are simply wonderful speakers. My only complaint is their size. 4.5/5 :)

The most impressive piece in the system are the Studio 20s. These are amazing smaller speakers! I would say I would have been VERY happy with them as my fronts and am delighted with them as rears. Great choice as any part of a system for the price! Surround sounds are solid. 5/5 :D

The Millenia 20 center is adequate. It does a nice job with dialog...but I would have loved to go with a matching center like the cc590 or cc690. I will eventually upgrade. I have been trying movies with the center on and off and am not sure what I prefer. Sometimes I feel 1 way - sometimes opposite. It is a nice looking and smaller center - fits nicely in my setup. However the shiny gloss coating is super reflective and I am looking for a piece of black velvet to cover it with. Also - it CAN NOT accept banana plugs! Grrrr.... 3/5

The DSP-3400 sub is quite a boomer. Being in an apartment, I can't take advantage of its full potential. However it does perform very well. Bass is earth-rumbling. This is the first time I get exercise by laying on the couch! It is a beast though - very big. Can use it to put something on or as a side table if you position it close to a seating area - bonus. I would love to be able to crank it and hear it roar. 4/5 :cool:

The Yamaha RX-V 3900 is solid. It is hard to rate a receiver when you don't compare it to another in the same exact environment. The features are immense and it is highly future-proof! It has very solid power and is easy to use. Ipod connection is a bonus...as is USB port, ethernet port, dual HDMI outs that can be used one at a time or simultaneously. This is one loaded puppy. YPAO seems to work fairly well. I have absolutely no complaints about this receiver at this time. Quick firmware updating is a real advantage. Switching is lightning fast between HDMI outputs and inputs. No issues whatsoever...not sure if I will need an amp. Sound is great - but I really think this is more dependant on the speaker set and the source material as well as the room. 5/5 at this point. :D

Overall the system is about a 4/5 or a 4.5/5. I could use a better center - and I will upgrade it once I move into a house and mount the plasma. I may add an amp as well when I go to 7.1 and add side surrounds. Plan is the ADP590s...

I have a calibrator coming on Wednesday to do my video for my Kuro. I am very happy I chose a receiver with 2 HDMI outs as now I can calibrate 2 separate inputs on my plasma for different types of viewing. And the receiver can ouptut to both all the time - so switching between them is a real easy process. :cool: ;)

Should I have him calibrate the AUDIO? Not sure yet... :confused:

Great review thanks. Congrats on your new system! Giving the 100's a .5 penalty for being too big?! You are banned!:D

That 12AWG speaker wire is a pain in the butt to strip, you were lucky to get your gf to do it for you!

The only oddball in there, as I'm sure you know is the millenia center. Did you get it for space reasons? The 100's fill the room so great you could run no center and it would sound amazing. But ideally a 690 (or another 100:D) would be great.

Yes - it was completely a space issue.

I am in an apartment and my tv stand is just the right size for a Kuro 60" and 6 components. There is just no room on top for anything bigger than the Millenia. Would have gotten the CC690 in a minute - but couldn't think of a solution.

Couldn't hang it. Can't mount the TV - cement wall behind and I didn't want to drill into it. Didn't want another stand - gf and I went through a bit of hell to get the one we did and we love it. Can't put it in front on the floor or a stand or we can't get to components or access the doors on the stand.

So, the Millenia was the solution. It will become the first piece in a secondary setup in a future new home (2-3 years).

In the meantime it is a little fish amongst sharks!

I am still a bit lost, but very interested.

Besides something like say hulu or youtube what else could a relative simpleton like me use sbmc for?

It sound cool and something is making me want one to have one but I need to justify it to myself haha

First, you need to decide you want a media server, and you'll put *all* your media on that server. This includes ripping all your DVD's, all your CD's, putting all your photos on it, and all your home video on it.

XBMC:
- Stream any movie, of pretty much any format
- Play any DVD rip, including menus
- Play any music, of any format, including playlists, etc.
- Show any picture of any format

That's all fantastic, and there's nothing that comes close to XBMC in terms of formats supported, ease of use, and stability. But no HD, which is the only issue (and it's an increasing issue, obviously). If you want to rip your BD's as well, and new HD home video, you need to build a HTPC (which is about 50-60% as effective as XBMC, but the only way to play HD right now, unfortunately).

SqueezeBox
- Put one on every AVR/pre-pro you have
- Add a SqueezeBox Boom to rooms that don't have an AVR/pre-pro
- From a computer or a Duet remote (or even a touch screen), play any music you want in any room
- Synchronize music across rooms
- Stream third party services, like Sirius, Rhapsody, and Pandora

There is definitely overlap, but the SB is a great compliment to any XBMC/HTPC setup for whole-house music.

Overall the system is about a 4/5 or a 4.5/5. I could use a better center - and I will upgrade it once I move into a house and mount the plasma. I may add an amp as well when I go to 7.1 and add side surrounds. Plan is the ADP590s...

Congrats - glad you like ths system! But that rating is obviously subjective. Don't go listening to better speakers or pre-pros any time soon, or you'll be spending more money.

Also, I suggest you invest in some acoustic treatments before you start paying someone to calibrate your audio. Or get a pre-pro that lets you calibrate it on your own, so you can play with speaker placement and other things.

If you want to rip your BD's as well, and new HD home video, you need to build a HTPC (which is about 50-60% as effective as XBMC, but the only way to play HD right now, unfortunately).


How is an XBMC twice as effective as an HTPC? I don't see what it can do that an HTPC can't, besides play Xbox games (and the PC can play most of those, with better graphics). I'd actually argue the opposite; that the HTPC is far more effective than an XBMC setup. Plays any audio or video format I've came across, upscales to 1080p and sharpens video (ffdshow filter), plays new games, can emulate all the old game systems, plus you have all the obvious PC features (web browsing, e-mail, office stuff) which are all great on an HDTV as well. Only downside is it could cost more, depending on how crazy you get with the hardware. What am I missing?

I will agree with the point you seem to be making about HD support on the PC; from what I've heard it still isn't very well supported, and it bugs me that you need to buy expensive software after you bought an expensive Bluray drive just to play the movies; for what you pay between the drive and software ($200-ish) you could buy a standalone Bluray player and not have to worry about HD DRM stuff (HDCP, right?).

I think everything has it's place. I use Knoppmyth. The nice thing there is you have a Server and a Front end. I can do much more then just use it for media it can also have numerous utilities along with it. But XBMC works great as a simple front end for a media center. But again it has it's limitations. PC will always have the ability to surpass it but a PC will cost more in hardware. I recommend a solid Server backend and having lightweight front ends all over the house, and I've heard many people use Playstations or XBox's to do so.

The Millenia 30 center is adequate. It does a nice job with dialog...but I would have loved to go with a matching center like the cc590 or cc690. I will eventually upgrade. I have been trying movies with the center on and off and am not sure what I prefer. Sometimes I feel 1 way - sometimes opposite. It is a nice looking and smaller center - fits nicely in my setup. However the shiny gloss coating is super reflective and I am looking for a piece of black velvet to cover it with. Also - it CAN NOT accept banana plugs! Grrrr.... 3/5

corpfan1 That must be one kicka** & loud setup.
I just ordered my LCR Studio 20 v.5 & the new Studio CC-490 center, that small setup shut down a Marantz SR6003 at med. vol.. If you have the room to put the CC-590 or 690 go for it. I got to demo the CC-490 and it was sharp & full sounding size is 8 3/8" tall x 19 1/4" wide and the feet can be removed if the hight is a problem just need felt stick on pads. Also I went with a Velodyne MiniVee 10" sub (under $800) to fill in the lows the 20s can't get. it matched up better with the 20s than the cheep Paradigm sub they had there. It seamed faster and sharper than the Para. sub

How is an XBMC twice as effective as an HTPC? I don't see what it can do that an HTPC can't, besides play Xbox games (and the PC can play most of those, with better graphics). I'd actually argue the opposite; that the HTPC is far more effective than an XBMC setup. Plays any audio or video format I've came across, upscales to 1080p and sharpens video (ffdshow filter), plays new games, can emulate all the old game systems, plus you have all the obvious PC features (web browsing, e-mail, office stuff) which are all great on an HDTV as well. Only downside is it could cost more, depending on how crazy you get with the hardware. What am I missing?

I will agree with the point you seem to be making about HD support on the PC; from what I've heard it still isn't very well supported, and it bugs me that you need to buy expensive software after you bought an expensive Bluray drive just to play the movies; for what you pay between the drive and software ($200-ish) you could buy a standalone Bluray player and not have to worry about HD DRM stuff (HDCP, right?).

Cost and interface..... I have never experienced a HTPC that is as smooth and intuitive like the XBMC. Not trying to start an argument. Just my opinion....

I'm looking into doing a 5.1 system using the in ceiling speakers from Paradigm. The salesman today pitched the PV,CS and AMS series. I've never owned this brand before and wondered if anyone here could clue me in to their experience (hopefully) with an all in ceiling installation. I'm not really sold on the idea that it will sound the way HT should. My wife is making me get rid of my trusty box speakers.

Thanks for any info./advice.

B.

I'm looking into doing a 5.1 system using the in ceiling speakers from Paradigm. The salesman today pitched the PV,CS and AMS series. I've never owned this brand before and wondered if anyone here could clue me in to their experience (hopefully) with an all in ceiling installation. I'm not really sold on the idea that it will sound the way HT should. My wife is making me get rid of my trusty box speakers.

Thanks for any info./advice.

B.

I also had to get my big box speakers off the floor, every day I kept finding stuff in front of them. 1991 Went to Polk Satellites Front/rear that was good for then. Now ordered bookshelf front Studio 20 v.5 on stands, cc490 under TV, subwoofer in corner, moving the Polk sats. to the ceiling rear (for now). That compromise sounded best to me. Big box sound little foot print. If you can go that route. Only good in wall/ceiling speaker I heard was Triad Bornze LCR my distant second choice after listening to Paradigm.

funny but seriously we can race for the 100's http://i436.photobucket.com/albums/qq84/rb26ina240/IMG_0818.jpg?t=1235105298


I want in. I'll put up my 60s. Just give me 10, the jump, and squeeze. :D

How is an XBMC twice as effective as an HTPC? I don't see what it can do that an HTPC can't, besides play Xbox games (and the PC can play most of those, with better graphics). I'd actually argue the opposite; that the HTPC is far more effective than an XBMC setup. Plays any audio or video format I've came across, upscales to 1080p and sharpens video (ffdshow filter), plays new games, can emulate all the old game systems, plus you have all the obvious PC features (web browsing, e-mail, office stuff) which are all great on an HDTV as well. Only downside is it could cost more, depending on how crazy you get with the hardware. What am I missing?

I will agree with the point you seem to be making about HD support on the PC; from what I've heard it still isn't very well supported, and it bugs me that you need to buy expensive software after you bought an expensive Bluray drive just to play the movies; for what you pay between the drive and software ($200-ish) you could buy a standalone Bluray player and not have to worry about HD DRM stuff (HDCP, right?).

A HTPC is far more *flexible*, definitely.

But XBMC is practically a CE device. It works, it works 100% of the time, and it's usable by you, your wife, your kids, your nanny, your babysitter, etc. That makes XBMC far more *effective* as a media player.

It's simple, it works, and it's stable.

A HTPC can do a lot more, at that's sort of my point (e.g. HD BD's). But at the cost of much lower usability, and far worse stability. Also, you have to hobble together a bunch of piece-parts that don't seamlessly work together.

Use XBMC for a while, and you'll understand. Sadly, since it only plays SD, it's getting lost to time. Hopefully the new XBMC will get stable soon, and perhaps open their minds a little to support more platform-specific stuff (since the cross-platform stuff is still so lowest-common-denominator).

I think everything has it's place. I use Knoppmyth. The nice thing there is you have a Server and a Front end. I can do much more then just use it for media it can also have numerous utilities along with it. But XBMC works great as a simple front end for a media center. But again it has it's limitations. PC will always have the ability to surpass it but a PC will cost more in hardware. I recommend a solid Server backend and having lightweight front ends all over the house, and I've heard many people use Playstations or XBox's to do so.

XBMC is a front-end to a media server. That's the point. Once media server, lots of XBMC's all over your house. Works perfectly, is incredibly usable, and completely stable.

PS3's and XB's as front-ends are horrible. The media format support is laughable, and the UI's are awful and designed to be used by technical people, not by real users.

I think were on the same page, I was referring to XBox's and PS for their hardware, not their actual software. I'd agree completely that there is no front end on the market that competes with hacked system.

But doesn't XBMC have the ability to do both (Frontend and Backend)? Or do you have to have a main server for storage?

XBMC is a front-end to a media server. That's the point. Once media server, lots of XBMC's all over your house. Works perfectly, is incredibly usable, and completely stable.

PS3's and XB's as front-ends are horrible. The media format support is laughable, and the UI's are awful and designed to be used by technical people, not by real users.

Thanks for clearing that up; I thought you meant you were using the Xbox as a media server. I do see how using it as a front-end makes a lot of sense. Even a slimmed-down barebones PC will cost you somewhere in that range, and won't have the nice GUI interface. (Some of the various Linux media center editions look pretty nice though; too bad Linux is such a pain to get working properly IMO...actually saw a quote yesterday related to this: "Linux is only free if your time has no value")

This thread isn't getting off-topic at all... :)

Folks - Today I auditioned studio 100s at the HiFi House in Wilmington, DE. The sales guy really pushed the new 100s. They were great but a bit beyond my budget. Does anyone know the list price for the 60s?
Jim

Folks - Today I auditioned studio 100s at the HiFi House in Wilmington, DE. The sales guy really pushed the new 100s. They were great but a bit beyond my budget. Does anyone know the list price for the 60s?
Jim

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061034&page=4

Hey everyone:

Just have a quick question as I narrow down my search (finally) for a multi-channel amp to power my Signature 8's and C5, etc.

Since these speakers are relatively effecient, would I notice a difference between a good amp that is 5 x 200 wpc versus an amp that is 5 x 300 wpc? I know that the consensus is to have more power than you need, but if you have 200 clean solid wattage on these speakers, would that be enough "headroom" for dynamics, bass, etc?

I've looked at amps from 200 wpc to 500 wpc, single-ended and balanced, multi-channel and monoblocks. I just want to get the best sound out of my speakers (who doesn't?) and I don't want to get a 200 wpc amp and then wish I had gotten a 300 - 500 wpc amp. Certainly there is a price difference but I don't want that to be the determining factor in my decision. I want an amp that will mate synergisticly with the Signatures and that I will not question and keep for a while.

I have my mind set on 2 different amps and I know I can't go wrong with either one, but there is a price difference and if 200 wpc is enough, then why pay more for 300-500 wpc?

Thanks for all of the advice you've given me so far (especially Patrick)!

Hey everyone:

Just have a quick question as I narrow down my search (finally) for a multi-channel amp to power my Signature 8's and C5, etc.

Since these speakers are relatively effecient, would I notice a difference between a good amp that is 5 x 200 wpc versus an amp that is 5 x 300 wpc? I know that the consensus is to have more power than you need, but if you have 200 clean solid wattage on these speakers, would that be enough "headroom" for dynamics, bass, etc?

I've looked at amps from 200 wpc to 500 wpc, single-ended and balanced, multi-channel and monoblocks. I just want to get the best sound out of my speakers (who doesn't?) and I don't want to get a 200 wpc amp and then wish I had gotten a 300 - 500 wpc amp. Certainly there is a price difference but I don't want that to be the determining factor in my decision. I want an amp that will mate synergisticly with the Signatures and that I will not question and keep for a while.

I have my mind set on 2 different amps and I know I can't go wrong with either one, but there is a price difference and if 200 wpc is enough, then why pay more for 300-500 wpc?

Thanks for all of the advice you've given me so far (especially Patrick)!
An Anthem P5 would make a nice combination and probably the last amp
you would ever need.

an anthem p5 would make a nice combination and probably the last amp
you would ever need.+1000

Hey everyone:

Just have a quick question as I narrow down my search (finally) for a multi-channel amp to power my Signature 8's and C5, etc.

Since these speakers are relatively effecient, would I notice a difference between a good amp that is 5 x 200 wpc versus an amp that is 5 x 300 wpc? I know that the consensus is to have more power than you need, but if you have 200 clean solid wattage on these speakers, would that be enough "headroom" for dynamics, bass, etc?

I've looked at amps from 200 wpc to 500 wpc, single-ended and balanced, multi-channel and monoblocks. I just want to get the best sound out of my speakers (who doesn't?) and I don't want to get a 200 wpc amp and then wish I had gotten a 300 - 500 wpc amp. Certainly there is a price difference but I don't want that to be the determining factor in my decision. I want an amp that will mate synergisticly with the Signatures and that I will not question and keep for a while.

I have my mind set on 2 different amps and I know I can't go wrong with either one, but there is a price difference and if 200 wpc is enough, then why pay more for 300-500 wpc?

Thanks for all of the advice you've given me so far (especially Patrick)!

Based on what I've bolded, you want the P5. Agree with previous posters that it's probably the last amp you'll ever need.

Remember, it's not really about power, it's about clean stable power across the resistance spectrum. First, that tends to drive towards mono-blocks. Second, you need something that is proven and has been measured to be stable and clean and consistent down to low resistances.

So, you can go with something easy like a P5, or try out the IcePower amps (I know Warp has been going through them, he might have has some initial hum issues but I think they are resolved, so he can chime in).

What are you guys powering your P5's with - does it really need 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits? And does it run hot?

What are you guys powering your P5's with - does it really need 2 dedicated 20 amp circuits? And does it run hot?

I have 2 dedicated 20A circuits available to me, but I'm powering my P5, P2, and D2v off one 20A circuit (along with my other stuff, like a Tivo S3, HTPC, PS3, and XB360).

I haven't had any issues at all, even at very high volumes. But I'm also using Sigs, not Studios, which apparently are more efficient (I know you have Studios, so you might have a slightly higher power draw).

The *only* time I've tripped the circuit is when I'm listening at very high volume levels, and my whole-house generator kicks in (I have it take full load during it's weekly self-test). And even then it only trips about 20% of the time.

And no, it doesn't run hot. The D2v and HTPC are the hottest things in my rack.

I have 2 dedicated 20A circuits available to me, but I'm powering my P5, P2, and D2v off one 20A circuit (along with my other stuff, like a Tivo S3, HTPC, PS3, and XB360).

I haven't had any issues at all, even at very high volumes. But I'm also using Sigs, not Studios, which apparently are more efficient (I know you have Studios, so you might have a slightly higher power draw).

The *only* time I've tripped the circuit is when I'm listening at very high volume levels, and my whole-house generator kicks in (I have it take full load during it's weekly self-test). And even then it only trips about 20% of the time.

And no, it doesn't run hot. The D2v and HTPC are the hottest things in my rack.

Thanks, glad to hear it..if I ever splurge enough to get the p5. I saw your post last year and you mentioned you were getting the d2v2 to go along with your p5 - how do you like it, combined with the p5 and compared to your old Onkyo?

I have 2 dedicated 20A circuits available to me, but I'm powering my P5, P2, and D2v off one 20A circuit (along with my other stuff, like a Tivo S3, HTPC, PS3, and XB360).

I haven't had any issues at all, even at very high volumes. But I'm also using Sigs, not Studios, which apparently are more efficient (I know you have Studios, so you might have a slightly higher power draw).

The *only* time I've tripped the circuit is when I'm listening at very high volume levels, and my whole-house generator kicks in (I have it take full load during it's weekly self-test). And even then it only trips about 20% of the time.

And no, it doesn't run hot. The D2v and HTPC are the hottest things in my rack.any pics of your setup? :)

Thanks, glad to hear it..if I ever splurge enough to get the p5. I saw your post last year and you mentioned you were getting the d2v2 to go along with your p5 - how do you like it, combined with the p5 and compared to your old Onkyo?
feeling the peer pressure yet.:) look at it this way, when we race for your studio's and i win. you can just get some sigs to match your new P5/P2. remember your whole system will only be as good as its weakest link.

I have 2 dedicated 20A circuits available to me, but I'm powering my P5, P2, and D2v off one 20A circuit (along with my other stuff, like a Tivo S3, HTPC, PS3, and XB360).

I haven't had any issues at all, even at very high volumes. But I'm also using Sigs, not Studios, which apparently are more efficient (I know you have Studios, so you might have a slightly higher power draw).

The *only* time I've tripped the circuit is when I'm listening at very high volume levels, and my whole-house generator kicks in (I have it take full load during it's weekly self-test). And even then it only trips about 20% of the time.

And no, it doesn't run hot. The D2v and HTPC are the hottest things in my rack.

In the best of worlds all components should be driven off the same powerline to limit ground and neutral variations between them as that would limit the problem of ground loops. However, powering everything from one line would limit you to 15A or 20A (120VAC) and also tie you to one location, something not really possible when you take into account the sub. And, even at 20A the total power available to you is limited to 2400W and when you subtract all the loads for such things as HDTV's, cable/sat boxes, etc the total available for audio is typically about 400W-500W less or, say, 2000W. Now take into account power factor and we're getting down towards 1600W as a max assuming a 20A circuit.

What would be nice is a battery based system with a good 'true sign wave inverter' with enough capacity to handle, say, 2500W continous with short term needs of 4000W and then power all your components from that. The 20A circuit would be there to keep the battery charged and 1600W should be more than enough to handle even the most intense power needs of all but the biggest HT system as an average. The other nice thing is a system like this would provide nearly total isolation from the mains so that any noise or harmfull spikes/surges/dips/etc would be invisible to the system as it is 100% powered by the inverter. Having a good surge suppressor going into the charger would still be a good idea and would almost completly protect you from all but a direct lightning strike on the powerlines going into your house.


Brian

feeling the peer pressure yet.:)

yes:o

remember your whole system will only be as good as its weakest link.

I know, I'm considering it:D

Thanks, glad to hear it..if I ever splurge enough to get the p5. I saw your post last year and you mentioned you were getting the d2v2 to go along with your p5 - how do you like it, combined with the p5 and compared to your old Onkyo?

It's *substantially* better than the Onkyo, in so many ways, even better than I was expecting. Here are some highlights:

- The ARC (Room EQ) is light-years better than the Audyssey in the 905. Perhaps the Audyssey Pro would be closer, but you have to pay someone to come in and do it with the Onkyo, where I can do ARC as much as I want myself, for free (I've already run it about 5 times this week, tweaking my room). And I'm currently adding more acoustic panels and moving speakers/subs around to further improve my room response, as a result of seeing ARC results and trying some things out. It's an invaluable tool in the drive to get perfect audio and room response, and the built-in Audyssey in the Onkyo is a joke by comparison (you simply run it and hope it did a good job).

- The Video Processor is unbelievable. I have always poo-poo'd VP's, especially for HD material. The VP in the 905 is a disaster (at least the Onkyo implementation of it), IMO (e.g. breaks under unusual cadences, can't do anything of value to HD content, the OSD breaks HD content, etc.). The D2v VP is what I've imagined, but never believed, a VP can do. 1080i->1080p conversion is visually stunning, and even 24p->60p works flawlessly. The additional features and tweaking (like custom crops and further image tweaking) make it even more valuable. I'm continually amazed each time I sit down and watch TV and movies since I got the D2v - the picture is noticably and significantly improved. (SD quality is also much better than the 905 VP, but I don't watch much SD, and the 905 supposedly does an okay job at SD VPing).

- The overall sound, even without ARC, is truly amazing. I keep reading people using words like "wide soundstage" and "emmersive sound", and now I know what they mean. Some good test BD tracks for me are Immortal Beloved's Ode to Joy scene - which has some nice dark and contrasty scenes as well as a great range-y classical piece, and the D2v not only reproduces the sound flawlessly, but also makes my HT seem like it's about twice as wide as it actually is. I know this sounds silly, and I've never heard it before now, but I guess this is what people mean by wide soundstage, and the Onkyo isn't even close.

- The control and configuration on the D2v, beyond the above, is also far beyond the Onkyo. You can pretty much do anything you want - whatever you can imaging, and whatever you need to do, you can do. And the RS232 control is complete and extremely reliable, so you can integrate however you want and trust it.

- The OSD works. Silly, but it's so nice to finally have this feature when every other Onkyo and Denon in my house causes such damage to the picture, or simply won't do it for certain combinations. The D2v has perfect OSD (and you can even have it display your own messages if you want - mine says "Mark's Perfect Theater" and "Enjoy the Show" at desired times). Not a huge deal for most, but such a relief for me.

- And then you couple all of this with Anthem's solid reputation for support, firmware and software upgrades, and even hardware upgrades. For a fraction of the original or replacement cost, they have always allowed you to send your unit in for a hardware upgrade to the current model (example - D2 owners can pay ~$2500 for a D2v upgrade, versus $7500 for a new D2v, list prices).

Anyway, I've only had my unit for a couple weeks, but I've been patiently waiting for about a year, and I couldn't be happier. It's more than I had expected, and I was expecting a lot.

It finally brings my Signature speakers to full life!

any pics of your setup? :)

Here's the Anthem portion of my rack:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN2748.jpg

And these are posted earlier in this thread, but here are just a couple pics of my nominal HT setup - Front 110" 16x9 Steward FHG3 screen with Sig 6's/C5 and acoustic panels:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1817.jpg

Side wall acoustic panels and ADP3:
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1808.jpg

Rear wall S2's and Sony VW60/Black Pearl, and more acoustic panels (SVS Ultra 13 sub is hidden behind the left chaise):
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/AbMagFab/DSCN1812.jpg

I'm adding rear-wall corner traps this week (just finished making them yesterday), and likely a ceiling panel for the center speaker reflection point. This is due to ARC, of course - I tossed a couple of 3-foot throw pillows in the rear-wall corners, and it really improved a 100-hz issue I was having (that I only saw thanks to ARC), so I figured it was time to put them in for real.

Got my Atom's and CC-190 set up to my Onkyo 606 ans all I can say is "WOW" These little speakers sound great!!! Obviously they are what they are.... small bookshelf speakers but let me tell you they sound great. The CC-190 produces great dialogue; once again for it's size. I listened to the 290 as well ans you could tell it was leaps and bounds better but for what I need the 190 is great.
I set it up and listened to them for 1 night with everything as their defaults and I thought it sounded good. As you can probably tell I am going from nothing to this set up. The next morning I went through and ran Audessy; it took all of 5 minutes. Now I am hearing things I didn't even know existed in movies!!! I am now getting great bass response from the Atoms and great clarity from the CC-190. I can now; for the time being, put my sub search on the back burner!
For me this small set up is all 10's. :D

It's *substantially* better than the Onkyo, in so many ways, even better than I was expecting. Here are some highlights:

- The ARC (Room EQ) is light-years better than the Audyssey in the 905. Perhaps the Audyssey Pro would be closer, but you have to pay someone to come in and do it with the Onkyo, where I can do ARC as much as I want myself, for free (I've already run it about 5 times this week, tweaking my room). And I'm currently adding more acoustic panels and moving speakers/subs around to further improve my room response, as a result of seeing ARC results and trying some things out. It's an invaluable tool in the drive to get perfect audio and room response, and the built-in Audyssey in the Onkyo is a joke by comparison (you simply run it and hope it did a good job).

- The Video Processor is unbelievable. I have always poo-poo'd VP's, especially for HD material. The VP in the 905 is a disaster (at least the Onkyo implementation of it), IMO (e.g. breaks under unusual cadences, can't do anything of value to HD content, the OSD breaks HD content, etc.). The D2v VP is what I've imagined, but never believed, a VP can do. 1080i->1080p conversion is visually stunning, and even 24p->60p works flawlessly. The additional features and tweaking (like custom crops and further image tweaking) make it even more valuable. I'm continually amazed each time I sit down and watch TV and movies since I got the D2v - the picture is noticably and significantly improved. (SD quality is also much better than the 905 VP, but I don't watch much SD, and the 905 supposedly does an okay job at SD VPing).

- The overall sound, even without ARC, is truly amazing. I keep reading people using words like "wide soundstage" and "emmersive sound", and now I know what they mean. Some good test BD tracks for me are Immortal Beloved's Ode to Joy scene - which has some nice dark and contrasty scenes as well as a great range-y classical piece, and the D2v not only reproduces the sound flawlessly, but also makes my HT seem like it's about twice as wide as it actually is. I know this sounds silly, and I've never heard it before now, but I guess this is what people mean by wide soundstage, and the Onkyo isn't even close.

- The control and configuration on the D2v, beyond the above, is also far beyond the Onkyo. You can pretty much do anything you want - whatever you can imaging, and whatever you need to do, you can do. And the RS232 control is complete and extremely reliable, so you can integrate however you want and trust it.

- The OSD works. Silly, but it's so nice to finally have this feature when every other Onkyo and Denon in my house causes such damage to the picture, or simply won't do it for certain combinations. The D2v has perfect OSD (and you can even have it display your own messages if you want - mine says "Mark's Perfect Theater" and "Enjoy the Show" at desired times). Not a huge deal for most, but such a relief for me.

- And then you couple all of this with Anthem's solid reputation for support, firmware and software upgrades, and even hardware upgrades. For a fraction of the original or replacement cost, they have always allowed you to send your unit in for a hardware upgrade to the current model (example - D2 owners can pay ~$2500 for a D2v upgrade, versus $7500 for a new D2v, list prices).

Anyway, I've only had my unit for a couple weeks, but I've been patiently waiting for about a year, and I couldn't be happier. It's more than I had expected, and I was expecting a lot.

It finally brings my Signature speakers to full life!

Thank you very much!! This is exactly the type of review I was looking for - a direct comparison to normal AV Receiver to the D2. It sounds like the D2 is worth the price. Do the new D2's automatically come with the ARC or is that extra? What is a fair price to pay for a new D2?

Based on what I've bolded, you want the P5. Agree with previous posters that it's probably the last amp you'll ever need.

Remember, it's not really about power, it's about clean stable power across the resistance spectrum. First, that tends to drive towards mono-blocks. Second, you need something that is proven and has been measured to be stable and clean and consistent down to low resistances.

So, you can go with something easy like a P5, or try out the IcePower amps (I know Warp has been going through them, he might have has some initial hum issues but I think they are resolved, so he can chime in).

I picked up a NHT Power 5 (IcePower 500ASP modules 200W x 5), to go with my Studio line (60s, 20s and cc570). It was much, much nicer than the Anthem Statement A2 it replaced. The resolution is just super clear, and very true to life. Dark Side of the Moon has never sounded better to me.

I'm totally happy with my IcePower amp, and would not pay the extra for the P5 as great as it maybe. I'd definitely try to demo one in house. If you're open to used gear, you maybe surprised how little one of these go for.

Thanks AbMagFab, don't know your real name after all this time..

Appreciate your reveiw, and being that Anthem is Paradigm anyways, its a suited place here in teh Paradigm thread... I have really been contemplating going with a 2 channel theater bypass, and getting away from spending all the money on the D2v. I want an all in 1 unit, but need to get to the next step of SQ, with that wide and deep sound stage you are talking about... Hmmmm

Warp ---> Spins wheel and yells out "Come on big money !!!!!"



Macming, Jimmy is going to want to read that, he's looking for a amp to power his Sigs... I just got my second Ice amp, Wyred4Sound 3x500 (1000ASP's 4x250 500ASP's) and I have a D-Sonic 5 channel same config... great amps..

So how does the P5 compare to amps like the D Sonic MAGNUM 2000-5 or the NHT Power 5 Macming suggested?

Thank you very much!! This is exactly the type of review I was looking for - a direct comparison to normal AV Receiver to the D2. It sounds like the D2 is worth the price. Do the new D2's automatically come with the ARC or is that extra? What is a fair price to pay for a new D2?

Yes, the D2 comes complete, with ARC software and hardware (mic, stand, USB cable, serial cable). You just need a USB-to-serial adapter if you don't have a laptop with a serial port ($19 from Amazon or newegg), and it was recommended to me to get a boom mic stand for better mic positioning ($25 from B&H). I also switched to balanced interconnects between the D2v and the P5/P2, although technically that shouldn't matter for such a short distance.

As with all Anthem/Paradigm items, if you have a friendly dealer, you should expect 10-20% off. The D2v is very new and in high demand (exceeding supply right now), so you should target around 15% off list. List price is $7500 right now, but it's supposed to go up to ~$8000 by 3/1 or so (although with this economy, I wouldn't be surprised if they extended the current price).

As for "worth the price", that's obviously up to each person and what money and sound quality means to them. For me, it's definitely worth the price, but I'm also fairly frivolous with my electronics purchases (my wife mostly tolerates it, and can actually appreciate some portion of it).

Thanks AbMagFab, don't know your real name after all this time..

Appreciate your reveiw, and being that Anthem is Paradigm anyways, its a suited place here in teh Paradigm thread... I have really been contemplating going with a 2 channel theater bypass, and getting away from spending all the money on the D2v. I want an all in 1 unit, but need to get to the next step of SQ, with that wide and deep sound stage you are talking about... Hmmmm

Warp ---> Spins wheel and yells out "Come on big money !!!!!"



Macming, Jimmy is going to want to read that, he's looking for a amp to power his Sigs... I just got my second Ice amp, Wyred4Sound 3x500 (1000ASP's 4x250 500ASP's) and I have a D-Sonic 5 channel same config... great amps..

Oh yeah - another nice thing about ARC - you can set up two different speaker configs, for music and theater, and it will balance them separately. So I have my HT config with full 7.1, and a music config with 2.1/2.0 (still playing with both options). Then you can easily switch modes, and they are completely balanced for the room. ARC calculates everything differently based on the speaker configs.

Very nice feature in the D2v, especially if you want a 2-speaker config, since a complete bypass would eliminate all room correction, and you're going to want that even for 2.0 (unless you have a perfect room without any RoomEQ).

(-Mark)

Ok stupid question cause it doesn't mention it on the website - is this:

http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/D2/D2.html

the d2v? Or just the normal d2?

Ok stupid question cause it doesn't mention it on the website - is this:

http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/D2/D2.html

the d2v? Or just the normal d2?

Normal D2. The D2v has the full HD audio codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc.), an upgraded audio processor (24/192 for everything), an upgraded VP, supports 7.1 over HDMI, and 8 HDMI inputs, among other things.

You can download the manual for the D2v by downloading the ARC software from the Anthem site, and then looking in the directory for the D2v manual.

Normal D2. The D2v has the full HD audio codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc.), an upgraded audio processor (24/192 for everything), an upgraded VP, supports 7.1 over HDMI, and 8 HDMI inputs, among other things.

You can download the manual for the D2v by downloading the ARC software from the Anthem site, and then looking in the directory for the D2v manual.

Ah ok thank you very much. Sounds like I need the D2v:D

Ok stupid question cause it doesn't mention it on the website - is this:

http://statement.anthemav.com/HTML/Products/D2/D2.html

the d2v? Or just the normal d2?

Anthem/Paradigm is very slow to update their website, they seem to concentrate in supplying its customers with new products then spend time on getting the info out....

Either way, take a look at the D2 thread and you will soon realize all the discussion is way ahead of the curve of info released to public...

Monitor Series or Kilpsch RF-82 system????? I have listened to both I'm just trying to get some more info/feedback. Thanks Guys.

Does anyone have any pictures of the new Monitor "Wenge" finish in the wild? Not finding much online.

Monitor Series or Kilpsch RF-82 system????? I have listened to both I'm just trying to get some more info/feedback. Thanks Guys.

Look at post #10348 on the last page. I just got the Atom Monitors and matching CC-190 and love them matched w/ Onkyo 606. No sub. These are the smallest Monitors and I can't say enough good things about them. I also listened to the Monitor 7's and wish I could have got those but I will eventually go with the 7's and move the Atom's to the rear. I have heard that the Klipsch are a little fatiguing after a while listening to them. good Luck!!!

Look at post #10348 on the last page. I just got the Atom Monitors and matching CC-190 and love them matched w/ Onkyo 606. No sub. These are the smallest Monitors and I can't say enough good things about them. I also listened to the Monitor 7's and wish I could have got those but I will eventually go with the 7's and move the Atom's to the rear. I have heard that the Klipsch are a little fatiguing after a while listening to them. good Luck!!!

Thanks for the info! Yah I heard alot of people say the same thing about Klipsch! I will go for another listen on both!

Thanks for the info! Yah I heard alot of people say the same thing about Klipsch! I will go for another listen on both!

The Atoms & Mini Monitors are among the most musical sounding small boxes you can get at their price point. While some others may have a deeper punchier bass, or farther reaching high end, very few will match the OVERALL musicality of the these 2 gems. Klipsch speakers in general have over their lives never been noted for their musicality, though rather for their efficiency and bombastic sound given only a few watts.

I liken the Atoms and Minis to my my pair of original Rogers Ls5/3a's... very smooth mids, 3 dimensional staging, Rock solid imaging, a little bass hump around 80hz and a naturally rolled off high end.

Good choices for a medium sized room and a real 50+ watts per channel source.

Hook them up with Kimber 8tc (or 4TC if you can't get the geenbacks) and THEN give another listen... your money won't be wasted and you'll kick yourself in the butt for not doing it sooner!

[QUOTE=ginovino;15893374]The Atoms & Mini Monitors are among the most musical sounding small boxes you can get at their price point. While some others may have a deeper punchier bass, or farther reaching high end, very few will match the OVERALL musicality of the these 2 gems. QUOTE]

Pretty much what i was trying to say but you said it much better. I am loving my Atoms and CC-190. Just great overall sound!!!

how high do I mount the ADP 590 on the wall? the manual says 6-9ft but that is a pretty big spread. anybody have more specific height measurements?

how high do I mount the ADP 590 on the wall? the manual says 6-9ft but that is a pretty big spread. anybody have more specific height measurements?

Unless you have more than 10ft ceilings, 6ft is about right in most rooms make sure there are no surfaces on either side which could reflect sound back toward the speaker.... You make sure they are mounted flush to the wall surface as that is calculated into the sound specifications.

Wow... I have my adp's on stands...Am i losing a LOT of performance?

Stands are really my only option due to a strange room set up.

Wow... I have my adp's on stands...Am i losing a LOT of performance?

Stands are really my only option due to a strange room set up.

This is very subjective....If your ADP's are on stands and they are near your seating area closer to your head then I think you are truly better off. If you were to mount your ADP's on the wall you may not like the sound as much as what you have. Aesthetically many people mount their ADP's to the wall and I personally think that 6ft is even too high. I guess there is a fine line between getting the speakers close to you to give you the most impact and being mounted too low on the wall and looking goofy (just my opinion)

Mine are on stand 2.5 feet away according to audyssey. Its really about 1.5 feet away and 1-1.5 feet up on each side.

I made custom stands for them and play with the angles and how far back they go but it's good to know I am not loosing out.

I picked up four atom v6's, a cc190 center and a sonance 10" sub. I can't wait to get this thing going, I'm wAiting for my onkyo 606 to come in. Let's put it this way, I originally purchased the onkyo 9100 htib but it was backordered and then got to reading more and thanks to some influencing I went to my dealer and got the paradigms. I am sure for a little bit more cash I am getting a system that's head and shoulders better than the 9100 set. So I guess this is where I say thanks all you avs'ers. :D

I picked up four atom v6's, a cc190 center and a sonance 10" sub. I can't wait to get this thing going, I'm wAiting for my onkyo 606 to come in. Let's put it this way, I originally purchased the onkyo 9100 htib but it was backordered and then got to reading more and thanks to some influencing I went to my dealer and got the paradigms. I am sure for a little bit more cash I am getting a system that's head and shoulders better than the 9100 set. So I guess this is where I say thanks all you avs'ers. :D

Congrats, You will love it!!! I listened to them before I ran Audyssey and thought they were great, boy was I wrong. Audyssey really made the Atom/CC-190 shine and I don't even have a sub yet. I can only imagine what it would sound like with a sub!!!! Post back and let me know when you get them all hooked up.

Hey guys can you help me out here.

Do you know where the best place to buy a pair of the paradigm/Premier MB-60 wall mounts. Or do any of you have a pair you're willing to sell? Thanks.

Hey guys can you help me out here.

Do you know where the best place to buy a pair of the paradigm/Premier MB-60 wall mounts. Or do any of you have a pair you're willing to sell? Thanks.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say a dealer that sells Paradigm speakers.
But dont quote me on that.:rolleyes:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say a dealer that sells Paradigm speakers.
But dont quote me on that.:rolleyes:

and Im gonna go out on a limb and say they will probably cost twice as much from a dealer as they would online. :rolleyes: Seriously though, some used ones would be great If some one has upgraded.

and Im gonna go out on a limb and say they will probably cost twice as much from a dealer as they would online. :rolleyes: Seriously though, some used ones would be great If some one has upgraded.

I just returned a pair to my dealer when I traded in my atoms for the studio 10's. I found the receipt and paid $35 for the pair (of mounts). I'm not sure that you'll find them much cheaper..

I just returned a pair to my dealer when I traded in my atoms for the studio 10's. I found the receipt and paid $35 for the pair (of mounts). I'm not sure that you'll find them much cheaper..

Thanks, I shall go to my dealer tomorrow and see if I must insert my foot into my mouth. :p

Unless you have more than 10ft ceilings, 6ft is about right in most rooms make sure there are no surfaces on either side which could reflect sound back toward the speaker.... You make sure they are mounted flush to the wall surface as that is calculated into the sound specifications.
I've been measuring in anticipation of receiving my speakers next week, and here is the best I can do with the ADP590's due to a window being on one side and a door being on the other.
30to35in from back wall and 7' 1" high to the bottom of the speaker. ceiling is 8' 6" (it's an old house)
is this going to be ok? I can bring them down lower to the recomended height, but they would not be directly accross from each other. one would be about a foot and a half ahead of the other. which would be the best for this situation?
Also, is there a spot you can run the speaker wire out the side or bottom of the speaker or does it have to fit behind the speaker? Due to the speakers being above a door and a window, I am concerned about being able to fish the speaker wire sideways thru the wall and will more than likely have to come down the door/window frame until I can go straight down with it.
Thanks
Dan

hmm I think that if you don't have a completely flat back wall to put these on, your best bet may be to do trial and error. Maybe you can get a couple buddies to hold them up for you while you listen :). Specially with these kind of multi-speaker rears, I think the sound will bounce totally different if your wall isn't flat.

By the way, on the same topic. I moved from another house where I had Titans as rears and now I'm thinking of buying a pair of ADP-370s v4 (I run Monitor 7s as fronts and CC-370 as center, all V3s).

My question is, is there much difference between v3 vs. v4? at this point (and because of their age) I'm having too much trouble finding a pair of ADP-370 v3s and thinking it might just be better to get rid of all my v3 stuff and either go to v5 (I think this is the last version) or upgrade to studios... your feedback is appreciated!

Thanks!

hmm I think that if you don't have a completely flat back wall to put these on, your best bet may be to do trial and error. Maybe you can get a couple buddies to hold them up for you while you listen :). Specially with these kind of multi-speaker rears, I think the sound will bounce totally different if your wall isn't flat.
Thanks!
No the wall is completely flat, I was just trying to figure out if the speakers have a notch or anything in them for the speaker wire to go, or if I am going to be stuck doing some modifying...
Am more concerned really about the height issue though.. if it is 7'1" inch to the bottom of the speaker, that means the top of the speaker is going to be at 7' 9 3/4 or 7'10" that's only leaving about 8 inches from the ceiling..
I am assuming it would be better to have them high like this versus mounted in positions that are not equally or straight accross from each other..???
Dan

Normal D2. The D2v has the full HD audio codecs (TrueHD, DTS-HD MA, etc.), an upgraded audio processor (24/192 for everything), an upgraded VP, supports 7.1 over HDMI, and 8 HDMI inputs, among other things.

You can download the manual for the D2v by downloading the ARC software from the Anthem site, and then looking in the directory for the D2v manual.


Marc - I forgot to thank you for this bit of information, as this is truly exactly what I'm looking for - the ability to have room correction engaged while running 2 channel audio instead of using an outboard HT bypass negating the room correction.

Next week will be time for me to order the D2v, although I will need 2 - one for each system at some point... :rolleyes::cool:

No the wall is completely flat, I was just trying to figure out if the speakers have a notch or anything in them for the speaker wire to go, or if I am going to be stuck doing some modifying...
Am more concerned really about the height issue though.. if it is 7'1" inch to the bottom of the speaker, that means the top of the speaker is going to be at 7' 9 3/4 or 7'10" that's only leaving about 8 inches from the ceiling..
I am assuming it would be better to have them high like this versus mounted in positions that are not equally or straight accross from each other..???
Dan

Maybe drop it through the wall to the floor then have it come out of the wall and run along the floor?

Thanks, I shall go to my dealer tomorrow and see if I must insert my foot into my mouth. :p

I'm thinking this will happen as you cannot buy Paradigm online.:p

I've tried searching the this thread, but there are so many different combinations of Paradigm speakers that I haven't been able to find anything related to my question. I'm looking to get a 5.1 set of paradigms with two mini-monitors as fronts, the ADP-190's as surrounds, the CC-190 as a center, and the DSP-3100 for a sub. I'm also picking up a Denon AVR-789 as the receiver.

My question is whether it is worth the extra cash to upgrade the center channel to the CC-290, or will that be overkill when set up with the mini-monitors? Money is a bit of an issue, but I'm willing to stretch the budget if it will make the difference.

I've tried searching the this thread, but there are so many different combinations of Paradigm speakers that I haven't been able to find anything related to my question. I'm looking to get a 5.1 set of paradigms with two mini-monitors as fronts, the ADP-190's as surrounds, the CC-190 as a center, and the DSP-3100 for a sub. I'm also picking up a Denon AVR-789 as the receiver.

My question is whether it is worth the extra cash to upgrade the center channel to the CC-290, or will that be overkill when set up with the mini-monitors? Money is a bit of an issue, but I'm willing to stretch the budget if it will make the difference.

For HT use, your center channel does the majority of the work, I would get the 290 instead of the 190. The 290 is actually the center Paradigm recommends to go with the mini monitors.

To piggyback on that last question...

I have studio 60's with a cc-570, you think they would be better with a 690?

Since money is tight is it a big upgrade?

I've tried searching the this thread, but there are so many different combinations of Paradigm speakers that I haven't been able to find anything related to my question. I'm looking to get a 5.1 set of paradigms with two mini-monitors as fronts, the ADP-190's as surrounds, the CC-190 as a center, and the DSP-3100 for a sub. I'm also picking up a Denon AVR-789 as the receiver.

My question is whether it is worth the extra cash to upgrade the center channel to the CC-290, or will that be overkill when set up with the mini-monitors? Money is a bit of an issue, but I'm willing to stretch the budget if it will make the difference.


I upgraded from a CC-190 v.6 to a CC-290 v.6. I have a pair of Monitor 7 v.5 towers and a DSP-3100. Although the CC-190 sounds good and worked for my size room (14x18) the CC-290 seems to have more presence and bigger sound than the CC-190. I plan to move into a bigger place and was worried the CC-190 would not cut it. I'm confident the CC-290 will rock in a larger room. I'm pretty happy with the upgrade.

@ shawnwalters and sdhobbs

Thanks for the input guys. I took the plunge and ordered the CC-290. Probably should have just looked to the recommended systems guide for the answer in the first place. Live and learn.

Hey i just finished putting my kit together, running around the town to find the best deal for 4 month now the wait was well worth it

no pix sorry i installed all my gear in the basement cuz my living room is not finished yet

anyway here my high end kit on a budget ( no fancy v.5 here :D )

Harman Kardon avr445 - 400$
Studio 20v.3 - 490$
Studio cc570v.3 - 500$
Servo15.v2 - 700$
all price are in canadian funds with full warranty !

got some Sinclair speaker i use for surround until i find a deal on an other set of 20s
work great for now

the sound is amazing and no problem to fill my huge room ( 20x21 with big opening on the left rear)

For HT use, your center channel does the majority of the work, I would get the 290 instead of the 190. The 290 is actually the center Paradigm recommends to go with the mini monitors.

Isn't the 290 6.5"? And the Mini's 5.25"? I listened to the 290 and loved it. It was a huge step up from the 190 (which I got). Wouldn't it be a little but of overkill for the minis and ADP 190's?
Personally I would have gone with the 7's and the 190 as oppossed to the minis and the 290. Just my 2 cents.

Isn't the 290 6.5"? And the Mini's 5.25"? I listened to the 290 and loved it. It was a huge step up from the 190 (which I got). Wouldn't it be a little but of overkill for the minis and ADP 190's?
Personally I would have gone with the 7's and the 190 as oppossed to the minis and the 290. Just my 2 cents.

Well it's on the recommended systems by Paradigm:

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/rec-systems-14-1-2-4.paradigm#

I think they know their speakers better than us, so I tend to follow their expertise. But then again, they recommend the pdr-10 and he got the DSP-3100, which I think is a better sub than the pdr. But, It may be a little overkill for the system as the mini's dont get down to the sub territory, but anyway my point was their systems may not always be the one size fits all advice. Almost all the dialogue from movies and TV comes from the center.

Anyway, I've owned the following paradigm center channels:
cc-190
cc-290
cc-570
Studio 100 - current

The 190 I bought to go with my atoms, and when I upgraded to the 290 it was a huge improvement (paired with the atoms). After that I upgraded my atoms from L/R to Monitor 7's and loved them too. In any case, I guess the better system would be Monitor 7's and a cc-290, but he is on a budget right now and the 290 will blend wonderfully when if/he upgrades to towers. But at that point he'll want to start looking at a more powerful receiver too:p. So his system is good for now! - Just my opinion :)

To piggyback on that last question...

I have studio 60's with a cc-570, you think they would be better with a 690?

Since money is tight is it a big upgrade?

I've seen you mention you don't like your 570 about a hundred times :D

Well it's on the recommended systems by Paradigm:

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/rec-systems-14-1-2-4.paradigm#

I think they know their speakers better than us, so I tend to follow their expertise. But then again, they recommend the pdr-10 and he got the DSP-3100, which I think is a better sub than the pdr. But, It may be a little overkill for the system as the mini's dont get down to the sub territory, but anyway my point was their systems may not always be the one size fits all advice. Almost all the dialogue from movies and TV comes from the center.

Anyway, I've owned the following paradigm center channels:
cc-190
cc-290
cc-570
Studio 100 - current

The 190 I bought to go with my atoms, and when I upgraded to the 290 it was a huge improvement (paired with the atoms). After that I upgraded my atoms from L/R to Monitor 7's and loved them too. In any case, I guess the better system would be Monitor 7's and a cc-290, but he is on a budget right now and the 290 will blend wonderfully when if/he upgrades to towers. But at that point he'll want to start looking at a more powerful receiver too:p. So his system is good for now! - Just my opinion :)


This was kind of what I was thinking for down the road, buy the 7's, move the mini's to the sides, and get a beefier receiver/amp to power them all.

I too started with the 190. While it is a nice cc it didn't match well with my monitor 3's. I felt the dialogue, etc. was a bit too low no matter how I adjusted the system with my meter. I bought the 290 and was blown away. A major/dramatic improvement. As has been stated dialogue and presence was just miles above the 190...also much more expensive but worth every penny.
I am now thinking about replacing the 3's with a pair of Monitor 7 v.5...I listened to a pair a few days ago and loved the warmth and smoothness of them.

Does anyone have any pictures of the mounting brackets for the ADP590? I am supposed to get my speakers on Wed. and I need to see the mounting brackets because I want to get my speaker wires run thru the walls before the speakers get here.
Since it is a flush mount (I beleive) I don't want to drill a hole in the wall for the wire and find out the speaker wires are in the way of being a flush mount. Not sure if i will be safe drilling anywhere behind the speaker or if the wire had to be run in a certain spot.
I have checked Paradigm's site, and well, didn't find anything that would help there. It just says to check the install instructions that came with the speaker..
Thanks
Dan

Does anyone have any pictures of the mounting brackets for the ADP590? I am supposed to get my speakers on Wed. and I need to see the mounting brackets because I want to get my speaker wires run thru the walls before the speakers get here.
Since it is a flush mount (I beleive) I don't want to drill a hole in the wall for the wire and find out the speaker wires are in the way of being a flush mount. Not sure if i will be safe drilling anywhere behind the speaker or if the wire had to be run in a certain spot.
I have checked Paradigm's site, and well, didn't find anything that would help there. It just says to check the install instructions that came with the speaker..
Thanks
Dan

They come with them :) I just got my adp-590s v5 last week. You'd be amazed at how small the mounting bracket is!

They don't come with the screws though. So just make sure you have some decent length drywall screws for when you install them.

They come with them :) I just got my adp-590s v5 last week. You'd be amazed at how small the mounting bracket is!

They don't come with the screws though. So just make sure you have some decent length drywall screws for when you install them.

I know they come with the mounting brackets :)
does it matter where the speaker wire comes out of the wall, or will it still fit flush and correct no matter where it comes out as long as it is behind the speaker?
dan

Ahh I gotcha. I'll take a pic of the back of the speaker and the bracket in a bit.

Anyone gone from a CC-370 to a 390? I imagine the difference would be significant. I am pretty happy with the 370 right now, but might look at the 390 in the future.

Ahh I gotcha. I'll take a pic of the back of the speaker and the bracket in a bit.

Here's the bracket:

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/bracket1.jpg

And here's the bracket attached to the speaker

http://www.uncoverthenet.com/shawn/theater/bracket2.jpg

Thanks ShawnWalters, that is exactly what I was looking for. Looks like the speakers themselves have a notch on the top and bottom that the speaker wire can be run thru.
Thanka agian for your help.
Dan

Which center channel to match Studio 60s v5? Would be 490 or 590? thanx for any help.

Invader3 -- I went from 370 to 390 before I went to the Studio line. Difference was huge to me, most notably in the "openness" of dialogue (370, while good, sounded a bit boxy after I demoed the 390). I noticed a big improvment in bass output in the 390 as well. Mid bass sounds will come out of the 390 that I never heard from the 370.

Jaketh, thanks for the comments. I suspect I will do that upgrade eventually, but I'm in no hurry at this point.

Actually just bought a pair of ADP-390s yesterday. Got 'em hooked up last night, and the clarity I'm hearing from surround effects now is outstanding. They replace the pair of Bose 301s I was using for surrounds. The 301s actually weren't bad surround speakers (due to their tweeter alignment and large woofers), but the 390s are such a nice match with my Monitor 9s and CC-370. In my experience, the idea of voice matching is something you don't really notice until you actually make the switch to all matching speakers. The cohesiveness of my system is now quite noticeable.

I'm really happy with my system right now. May consider the before mentioned upgrade of the center in the future, or adding a power amp to power some or all of my speakers (as my Onkyo has pre-outs), but for now I'm quite content with the sound I'm getting.

I'm really happy with my system right now. May consider the before mentioned upgrade of the center in the future, or adding a power amp to power some or all of my speakers (as my Onkyo has pre-outs), but for now I'm quite content with the sound I'm getting.

Then stay away from these forums :). I was happy as could be until I started reading in my spare time. Now, I'm driving myself absolutely crazy with the "next step" in everything. Ignorance = bliss!

I hear that. I honestly think I'm approaching the point of "diminishing returns" now.

I'm thinking this will happen as you cannot buy Paradigm online.:p

Yes you can...but the online dealer must also be a physical store as well.

www.6ave.com sells Paradigm and are an authorized dealer.

6ave owns my life... Everytime i go in there I want something new.

Yes you can...but the online dealer must also be a physical store as well.

www.6ave.com sells Paradigm and are an authorized dealer.

Goes against Paradigm's policy "products are not offered for sale over the Internet"....does not specify that the dealer must be a storefront as well.

They dont seem to advertise the complete Paradigm line on the website as well.....seems weird.

Hi, anyone has dimentions on 20 and 60 v.5?, thanks.

Hi, anyone has dimentions on 20 and 60 v.5?, thanks.

Here you go:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061034&page=5

Yes you can...but the online dealer must also be a physical store as well.

www.6ave.com sells Paradigm and are an authorized dealer.

if there is no price by the speaker, its an in store only = :(:mad::rolleyes:

i'm looking at paradigms and swans. the swans are less expensive and online.

if there is no price by the speaker, its an in store only = :(:mad::rolleyes:

i'm looking at paradigms and swans. the swans are less expensive and online.

I know it says to call...did you do that and they told you it is in store only?

I know it says to call...did you do that and they told you it is in store only? I did, I was told they will not sell the studio or signature series online(only special circumstances). Also the number i called was not an actual store it was an online division, they also told me to call a store direct to get more info.

Goes against Paradigm's policy "products are not offered for sale over the Internet"....does not specify that the dealer must be a storefront as well.

They dont seem to advertise the complete Paradigm line on the website as well.....seems weird.It doesn't appear as though you can buy Paradigm on their website. Maybe if you call?

I would also note that you'll likely get a better price in person than some of those prices listed on 6ave.com.

It doesn't appear as though you can buy Paradigm on their website. Maybe if you call?

Call Sam, in the Rt 4 store in Paramus, NJ. He's a great guy, a fellow AVS'er, and he'll try to get you the best deal he can, and get product shipped to you. He's there Wedneday through Saturday. Tell him you got his name from the AVS forum.

Looking for advise, thinking of changing my Studio 60 v.4 and cc-690 v.4. I'm almost complete with my AT screen and I don't think I have enuph room for these to breithe properly.
I'm thinking of getting Sudio 20 v.5 L/ C/ R, if I don't like how C works in this setup, they will go as rears and will get 590 v.5

what you guys think?

Looking for advise, thinking of changing my Studio 60 v.4 and cc-690 v.4. I'm almost complete with my AT screen and I don't think I have enuph room for these to breithe properly.
I'm thinking of getting Sudio 20 v.5 L/ C/ R, if I don't like how C works in this setup, they will go as rears and will get 590 v.5

what you guys think?

Going to identical LCR is ideal, so you'll have a great sound stage with pans matching perfectly. It will depend on your receiver or pre pro though.

Anyway how much room do you have behind your AT false wall?

Call Sam, in the Rt 4 store in Paramus, NJ. He's a great guy, a fellow AVS'er, and he'll try to get you the best deal he can, and get product shipped to you. He's there Wedneday through Saturday. Tell him you got his name from the AVS forum.

Thanks for the info, I'll be calling him for ADP590s to complete my Paradigm 7.1 Studio set-up.

Going to identical LCR is ideal, so you'll have a great sound stage with pans matching perfectly. It will depend on your receiver or pre pro though.

Anyway how much room do you have behind your AT false wall?

I'm running Rotel 1057 with 75w x 5, Rotel 1080 amp. 200w x 2 for Studio 60, if I get 20s v.5, I'll try with 1057 to see how they sound. I can always borrow my brother in laws 1085d amp. 100x5 to see if they sound better, upgrade again :D

I'm running Rotel 1057 with 75w x 5, Rotel 1080 amp. 200w x 2 for Studio 60, if I get 20s v.5, I'll try with 1057 to see how they sound. I can always borrow my brother in laws 1085d amp. 100x5 to see if they sound better, upgrade again :D

Have you listened to the 20's vs the 60's and the cc-690? The 60's will definitely put out more bass and the 690 will put out more bass and mids. That's why I asked how much room you have back there.

24inch., I have Velodyne spl-1000r that does very well. Speakers are set to small, so I think 20s will do well.

Anyone have any thoughts on Paradigm Monitor 9's?

My brother got the upgrade bug and was VERY interested in Usher 602's that I have, (fantastic speakers), but as they are discontinued, and Usher at the moment has no similar value "tower" in their lineup, was looking for input on the similary sized Monitor 9's.

Thoughts?

If you've listened to them and also have a feel for Usher speakers, how would you compare them?

Perhaps someone here has gone to Paradigm from Usher, no matter what models, and might give their opinion on Paradigm vs. Usher, in general.

I have never, myself, auditioned Paradigms but am doing a little research for the bro.

Paradigms, indeed, seem to be very well regarded.

My number one point to him was to get the floor models on loan to test in his listening environment.

Thanks.

PS: I moved to Ushers after decades with B & W stand speakers.

Isn't the 290 6.5"? And the Mini's 5.25"? I listened to the 290 and loved it. It was a huge step up from the 190 (which I got). Wouldn't it be a little but of overkill for the minis and ADP 190's?
Personally I would have gone with the 7's and the 190 as oppossed to the minis and the 290. Just my 2 cents.

Well it's on the recommended systems by Paradigm:

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/rec-systems-14-1-2-4.paradigm#

I think they know their speakers better than us, so I tend to follow their expertise. But then again, they recommend the pdr-10 and he got the DSP-3100, which I think is a better sub than the pdr. But, It may be a little overkill for the system as the mini's dont get down to the sub territory, but anyway my point was their systems may not always be the one size fits all advice. Almost all the dialogue from movies and TV comes from the center.

Anyway, I've owned the following paradigm center channels:
cc-190
cc-290
cc-570
Studio 100 - current

The 190 I bought to go with my atoms, and when I upgraded to the 290 it was a huge improvement (paired with the atoms). After that I upgraded my atoms from L/R to Monitor 7's and loved them too. In any case, I guess the better system would be Monitor 7's and a cc-290, but he is on a budget right now and the 290 will blend wonderfully when if/he upgrades to towers. But at that point he'll want to start looking at a more powerful receiver too:p. So his system is good for now! - Just my opinion :)

Yeah, I know what you mean. Like I said I listened to the 290 and LOVED it like someone else said, it is miles above the 190... and also about 2X the $$.

My thought was to go with the 7's, 190, and ADP 190s and then upgrade to the 290 when cash allows. I can already hear the 190 over the Atoms so the 290 would crush those speakers. My plan was Atoms, 190 and then get the 7's to match up with the 190 with the Atoms as rears. Eventually the 290 would replace the 190 but at 2X the price I can love the 190!!!

Sorry to bring this back up but I don't get on the site during the weekends. Like you said this is just MY opinion as you seem to have a bit more experience with paradigm than me!!!

Yeah, I know what you mean. Like I said I listened to the 290 and LOVED it like someone else said, it is miles above the 190... and also about 2X the $$.

My thought was to go with the 7's, 190, and ADP 190s and then upgrade to the 290 when cash allows.

I would recommend this....7's, CC290 and Atoms for rears. Roughly same amount of $$ and a better front soundstage.


Just my 2 cents.

Looks like I'll be getting new 20 v.5 all around. 5.1 or 6.1 as I can only get them in pair.

Looks like I'll be getting new 20 v.5 all around. 5.1 or 6.1 as I can only get them in pair.

Hey There,
All the new V.5 equipment is priced as eaches whereas the V.4's were priced as pairs. They are also all boxed individually. If you need to get just one speaker as a center or a center rear you can do it.

Anyone have any thoughts on Paradigm Monitor 9's?

My brother got the upgrade bug and was VERY interested in Usher 602's that I have, (fantastic speakers), but as they are discontinued, and Usher at the moment has no similar value "tower" in their lineup, was looking for input on the similary sized Monitor 9's.

Thoughts?

If you've listened to them and also have a feel for Usher speakers, how would you compare them?

Perhaps someone here has gone to Paradigm from Usher, no matter what models, and might give their opinion on Paradigm vs. Usher, in general.

I have never, myself, auditioned Paradigms but am doing a little research for the bro.

Paradigms, indeed, seem to be very well regarded.

My number one point to him was to get the floor models on loan to test in his listening environment.

Thanks.

PS: I moved to Ushers after decades with B & W stand speakers.

The only thing that is a bit disappointing with the Paradigm Monitor series is that they do not actually use MDF (High density wood) in their cabinet construction. They use a low density particle board which allows for more resonance and standing waves. All the Paradigm Studio and signature speakers are made with MDF and they are built great by the way. Regardless the sound on the Monitor 9's is great compared to a lot of different speakers in the same price range. Also The Paradigm Monitor 9's have 4 way separation Vs. the Usher 2 way setup. I have not gotten to hear the Usher 602's , but they look like they have a real wood veneer and a bit nicer overall build quality (especially if they are using MDF)

You may want to also consider the Paradigm Studio 60 v.5's (last years model) which you may be able to get for about the same price as the Usher 602's or the current Monitor 9's...Just a thought.

Here is a picture of the wood used for the monitor lineup.

I know it says to call...did you do that and they told you it is in store only?

yes. but i didn't ask about the ones that did have a price. they may only ship to a particular area. idk.

............. NOTICE !!! ..........................

I have heard that paradigm, and their dealers, can and possibly will "deny" warranty coverage if you didn't buy them from the dealer you ask to warranty them.

also. i have heard that the monitor line is going lower quality. not to say that they are bad. but to imply that they are not the quality paradigm is known for.


i am looking at SWAN's now.

Help! I am new to all this. I was considering putting Aperion Speakers on a Sony 920. Today I heard a Studio 20 on an Onkyo 606 which I thought sounded pretty good. Any comments. What about Onkyo 706/806

The 6ave ones with prices listed can be purchased and shipped. My problem is that my closes Paradigm dealer is 50 miles away.

Well cybrsage it looks like your in for a ride. 50 miles one way is not a big deal...maybe and hour each way?

Does anyone have a set of plastic feet that comes with your center speaker? The rounded black feet with the rubber screw on insert is what I'm looking for.

I already have one set that came with my CC570, but it'd be nice to pick up another set. I plan on using them for the DIY subwoofer enclosures I'm building.

Thanks!

Ming

............. NOTICE !!! ..........................

I have heard that paradigm, and their dealers, can and possibly will "deny" warranty coverage if you didn't buy them from the dealer you ask to warranty them.

also. i have heard that the monitor line is going lower quality. not to say that they are bad. but to imply that they are not the quality paradigm is known for.


i am looking at SWAN's now.

Hey Fabricator,

Paradigm may have told you about their strict warranty policy based on territories but it is a bit of smoke and mirrors. If you live in Ohio and buy over the phone from a guy in Texas and you need warranty work the dealer in Ohio (your local dealer) can refuse to do the work for whatever reason. This has nothing to do with Paradigm as a corporation it has to do with the rules set forth by the owner of that particular store/company. I dont know why a dealer would refuse service as it could potentially lead to business that may not have otherwise come about, but it is "their choice". If you buy a set of tower speakers and blow out a driver all you have to do is call the company that you got the speakers from in the other state. That dealer will order the replacement part from Paradigm which he can then send to you....simple as that. For the most part dealers that sell you equipment out of state lines have a vested interest in return business even if the original purchase was over the phone...

As far as the Paradigm monitor line going lower quality this year as opposed to last year is not true...they have maintained their low quality low density particle board for their cabinets in the Monitor line . Paradigm does not use this particle board in any of their other speakers.

Calling the Monitor series low quality is a bit of a stretch...compared to their higher lines (Signature & Reference)? Sure. But compared to other speakers in their price range, I think they're pretty high quality. Keep in mind this is coming from a very happy Paradigm Monitor Series owner.

guys. i was just passing along what i have read online. and me calling 6ave.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Like I said I listened to the 290 and LOVED it like someone else said, it is miles above the 190... and also about 2X the $$.

My thought was to go with the 7's, 190, and ADP 190s and then upgrade to the 290 when cash allows. I can already hear the 190 over the Atoms so the 290 would crush those speakers. My plan was Atoms, 190 and then get the 7's to match up with the 190 with the Atoms as rears. Eventually the 290 would replace the 190 but at 2X the price I can love the 190!!!

Sorry to bring this back up but I don't get on the site during the weekends. Like you said this is just MY opinion as you seem to have a bit more experience with paradigm than me!!!

I have Monitor 7 v.5 fronts and just upgraded my CC-190 v.6 to a CC-290 v.6. The CC-290 matches up better with the 7's. The sound is more full. Worth the upgrade, my 2 cents.

I own a pair of studio 40v2 and would like to match up a center and some adp,s and the adp,s are harder to find. What ver. is a workable option that will work with these. the 40v2 are in great condition and hate to give them up.

I've been pacing the house since 7am waiting for the Fed Ex guy to show up with my Paradigm speakers... WHAT A LONG WAIT... got the house all wired this weekend and have had all other equipment for a week or 2 now, all I need is the speakers...
I can't wait to get them hooked up and sit around and really do some critical listening this afternoon.
I know I still have at least 3 more hours since the last thing the delivered they showed up about 3 or 3:30.
Well, I guess I will try to find something to keep me busy and make the time pass..
Dan

Call Sam, in the Rt 4 store in Paramus, NJ. He's a great guy, a fellow AVS'er, and he'll try to get you the best deal he can, and get product shipped to you. He's there Wedneday through Saturday. Tell him you got his name from the AVS forum.

Again, thanks for the info! I called Sam and he definitely seems like a great guy who is willing to help a fellow AVS'er out. I only wished I had his contact info before I made my big Paradigm studio purchase back in Jan. I did order my ADP590's from Sam.

what do you think about $750 for a used set of monitor 9 v.5 ?

Thanks

what do you think about $750 for a used set of monitor 9 v.5 ?

Thanks

Not a bad deal for those, assuming they're in good shape.

Hello,
I am new to the forum and a proud new owner of the Paradigm monitor 11 v.5. Just wanted to introduce myself and ask your opinion of which center I should go with. I 've been looking at the monitor cc-290,but was considering the cc-370 and cc-390. Will the cc-290 offer a good timbre match for the 11's? Space is a concern that is why I am asking about this one in particular.
Thanks,
Young

Newbie question. I have my studio 60 V2s and 450 ADPs set up on my Yamaha RXV 590 as large (vs small). I've seen several posts that mentioned they had them set up as small. Can someone explain what the difference is, and what I should have mine set up as??

Thanks

Hello,
I am new to the forum and a proud new owner of the Paradigm monitor 11 v.5. Just wanted to introduce myself and ask your opinion of which center I should go with. I 've been looking at the monitor cc-290,but was considering the cc-370 and cc-390. Will the cc-290 offer a good timbre match for the 11's? Space is a concern that is why I am asking about this one in particular.
Thanks,
Young

All I can add is that Paradigm suggests the 390 with the 11's. I didn't even bother listening to the 390. I listened to the 190 and 290 and was blown away by the 290 but bought the 190 based on price alone. The 190 does sound great for what I have but I'll probably upgrade to the 290 eventually.

All I can add is that Paradigm suggests the 390 with the 11's. I didn't even bother listening to the 390. I listened to the 190 and 290 and was blown away by the 290 but bought the 190 based on price alone. The 190 does sound great for what I have but I'll probably upgrade to the 290 eventually.

I did an A/B/C at my local dealer with the 290, 390, and my current center at the time, the 370.

The 290 and 390 were VERY similar to each other but my ears gave the 390 the edge for a wider dispersion of sound and a more tactile experience (more "atmospheric" to me). If I did not do a direct comparison and only heard the 290 in isolation, I would have been very pleased with it in my system. I ended up taking home the 390 (after much back and forth with the 290) due to this atmospheric effect I noticed. Regarding the 370, it did its job very well for several years in my system, but I always felt something was lacking; maybe it was a bit too timid for my tastes.

All I can add is that Paradigm suggests the 390 with the 11's. I didn't even bother listening to the 390. I listened to the 190 and 290 and was blown away by the 290 but bought the 190 based on price alone. The 190 does sound great for what I have but I'll probably upgrade to the 290 eventually.

I did an A/B/C at my local dealer with the 290, 390, and my current center at the time, the 370.

The 290 and 390 were VERY similar to each other but my ears gave the 390 the edge for a wider dispersion of sound and a more tactile experience (more "atmospheric" to me). If I did not do a direct comparison and only heard the 290 in isolation, I would have been very pleased with it in my system. I ended up taking home the 390 (after much back and forth with the 290) due to this atmospheric effect I noticed. Regarding the 370, it did its job very well for several years in my system, but I always felt something was lacking; maybe it was a bit too timid for my tastes.

Thanks for the input... I am leaning towards the cc290, I guess the best thing is to go back to the autorized dealer and audition them. I just feel like a jerk because I auditioned the monitor 11's and didn't buy from him. He is the only dealer within 70 miles and now I'm gonna go back to audition the center. if you really do your homework deals are to be found, and I not sure if this dealer can match these deals on slightly used speakers.ie monitor cc390 for $400.00 obo (open box)

Is this bad practice/karma?

I recieved my 20's V.5 and using it all around for HT. I wasn't shure how this would go, but after spending some time with them, WOW. I sold my 60's V.4, no regrets...
They're sitting behind 135" 2:40:1 AT screen and really, really like how the sound just comes from screen.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/RPM74/IMG_0480.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/RPM74/IMG_0477.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc166/RPM74/IMG_0467.jpg

it is not complete yet, but it comming!!!

At the end of the day, you have to do what's right for your finances. Personally, I try to support my local dealer when possible since he lets me test equipment and try things out before I spend my money (thats how I justify paying a bit more). I would not feel right going in to try it out knowing I'm buying elsewhere unless I told them that first and let them make the call (if busy, I'll come back later, etc). On the other hand, it is incumbant upon the store to return the favor and treat you right, be there when something breaks, and provide honest feedback - not just a sales pitch. If they fall down on that, buying elsewhere is fair game.

Newbie question. I have my studio 60 V2s and 450 ADPs set up on my Yamaha RXV 590 as large (vs small). I've seen several posts that mentioned they had them set up as small. Can someone explain what the difference is, and what I should have mine set up as??

Thanks

If you have a subwoofer, let it do the low freq. work. Set all other speakers to small.
John

If you have a subwoofer, let it do the low freq. work. Set all other speakers to small.
John

Why? That's really not an absolute, as there are lots of things to consider, such as:

1) How much RoomEQ would be affected by setting them one way or the other

2) How good/weak an amp you have

3) How many subs you have

4) How good your subs are

5) How good your mains are as full-range speakers

Any other points...

5) How good your mains are as full-range speakers



How many speakers do you know that are good full range speakers?

How many speakers do you know that are good full range speakers?

The Signatures? And if you have one sub, even moderately good full-range speakers like the Studios, with good RoomEQ (and amps) and acoustic treatments, can fill in the bass sound.

At the end of the day, you have to do what's right for your finances. Personally, I try to support my local dealer when possible since he lets me test equipment and try things out before I spend my money (thats how I justify paying a bit more). I would not feel right going in to try it out knowing I'm buying elsewhere unless I told them that first and let them make the call (if busy, I'll come back later, etc). On the other hand, it is incumbant upon the store to return the favor and treat you right, be there when something breaks, and provide honest feedback - not just a sales pitch. If they fall down on that, buying elsewhere is fair game.

I agree completely. Support your local dealers as much as you can; especially in this economic climate.
I went with my local dealer when I bought my Onkyo 606 because of service, store warranty and location even though I knew I could get it a little cheaper elsewhere.
At least you should throw them a bone and buy your center there and at the very least let them know your intent and ask if they can price match.

How many speakers do you know that are good full range speakers?


Knowing how I like my bass..... NONE !!!!!

I have 3 - 18" subs and a 15" for a rear kicker.... 10kw of amp power and a big smile all the time... !!! :)

BTW Mark, I'm sure you noticed, but I ordered a D2v..... Looking forward to the upgrade !!!!!



Patrick

At the end of the day, you have to do what's right for your finances. Personally, I try to support my local dealer when possible since he lets me test equipment and try things out before I spend my money (thats how I justify paying a bit more). I would not feel right going in to try it out knowing I'm buying elsewhere unless I told them that first and let them make the call (if busy, I'll come back later, etc). On the other hand, it is incumbant upon the store to return the favor and treat you right, be there when something breaks, and provide honest feedback - not just a sales pitch. If they fall down on that, buying elsewhere is fair game.

I agree completely. Support your local dealers as much as you can; especially in this economic climate.
I went with my local dealer when I bought my Onkyo 606 because of service, store warranty and location even though I knew I could get it a little cheaper elsewhere.
At least you should throw them a bone and buy your center there and at the very least let them know your intent and ask if they can price match.

You know what, Ill follow you guys advice and give the dealer some support so he can stay in business,especially during this gloomy economic climate.

If you don't mind I'd like to get your opinions on what I should go with for the rears. I'm running a 5.1 now and was considering the mini monitor's, 7's, adp-190, or adp-390. This is a building process for me and I cant fork out the money all at once. So that I can have an idea I was wondering what are the adp's going for?

20' V.5 does Paradigm sell wall brackets that that utalize screws? I'll be setting up 6.1 from 20's and would like to wall mount 3 rears.

The B-Tech BT77 is what you want, now the .v5's have a curved cabinet, but I'm sure it will work. I believe AbMagFab mounted his S2's with that bracket, I use it for my Studio 20's

You know what, Ill follow you guys advice and give the dealer some support so he can stay in business,especially during this gloomy economic climate.

If you don't mind I'd like to get your opinions on what I should go with for the rears. I'm running a 5.1 now and was considering the mini monitor's, 7's, adp-190, or adp-390. This is a building process for me and I cant fork out the money all at once. So that I can have an idea I was wondering what are the adp's going for?

Good karma for you, for sure!

I use the 390s. I had them with my monitor system and am keeping them with my studios. They sound great in my room (which is quite imperfect) and help de-centralize the sound (which I happen to like, especially in movies; I listen to music in 2 channel mode so direct rears don't hold much appeal for me).
I can't list prices, but if you search the net and this thread a bit, you'll be sure to see some quotes/retailer price lists pop up.

Good karma for you, for sure!

I use the 390s. I had them with my monitor system and am keeping them with my studios. They sound great in my room (which is quite imperfect) and help de-centralize the sound (which I happen to like, especially in movies; I listen to music in 2 channel mode so direct rears don't hold much appeal for me).
I can't list prices, but if you search the net and this thread a bit, you'll be sure to see some quotes/retailer price lists pop up.

Thanks, I'm all about karma. When I audition the center I definitely will listen to the 390's hopefully I can get at the same time. As long as my budget allows for it.

This is a little off topic, Are you familiar with Anthem products? If so, whats your impression on the A5? Any benefit over Sunfire TGA-5200?

Anyone use di-poles for sides AND rears in a 7.1?

Did paradigm make a signature c3v1 and v2

Did paradigm make a signature c3v1 and v2


Yes, I have a C3 in rosewood from .v1..... and here on the Paradigm site you can see they have both for the .v2 as well...

http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/centers-signature-series-2-3-17.paradigm

Thanks, I'm all about karma. When I audition the center I definitely will listen to the 390's hopefully I can get at the same time. As long as my budget allows for it.

This is a little off topic, Are you familiar with Anthem products? If so, whats your impression on the A5? Any benefit over Sunfire TGA-5200?

Sorry, not familiar. Let us know how your audition goes

The B-Tech BT77 is what you want, now the .v5's have a curved cabinet, but I'm sure it will work. I believe AbMagFab mounted his S2's with that bracket, I use it for my Studio 20's

Yes I did. They just barely fit, and I had to build a special bottom-plate for the S2's to get them in there. The S2's are slightly deeper than the 20's, so the screw holes won't line up.

No biggie though, took all of about an hour, and some 1/4" MDF.

And they've been in those mounts for over a year I think? Never a problem.

I ORDERED MY NEW SPEAKERS . PARADIGM V-5 100'S , CC690 , ADP 590'S , SUB 15 . IN ROSENUT CAN'T WAIT ! WISH THE REARS WERE MATCHING . THE FRONTS AND CENTER SHOULD BE SHORT RUNS OF WIRE . REARS COULD BE 30 to 40 FEET SEEING I AM HIDEING THE WIRES IN WALLS . WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD WIRE AND WHAT SIZE WIRE ? THANKS IN ADVANCE .

I ORDERED MY NEW SPEAKERS . PARADIGM V-5 100'S , CC690 , ADP 590'S , SUB 15 . IN ROSENUT CAN'T WAIT ! WISH THE REARS WERE MATCHING . THE FRONTS AND CENTER SHOULD BE SHORT RUNS OF WIRE . REARS COULD BE 30 to 40 FEET SEEING I AM HIDEING THE WIRES IN WALLS . WHAT WOULD BE A GOOD WIRE AND WHAT SIZE WIRE ? THANKS IN ADVANCE .

Something like this http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2817&seq=1&format=2, would be fine.

Anyone use di-poles for sides AND rears in a 7.1?

I just got two pair of the Emotiva ERD1 bi-pole/di-poles. Match really well with my Paradigm Studio Fronts. And the ERD1's have switches on the back to customized placement. And they are even on sale right now! $250 a pair with free shipping. See the Emotiva Lounge for full in-depth user reviews.

I have adp590's as sides but think for rears I will save some money (1200 for new adp's for rears? ha don't think so) and get something else in back. Gotta decide between those emotiva's and sbs-01's but the 4ohm of the emotivas could be hard on my onkyo 805 till I get a seperate amp for the fronts (possibly modified behringer ep2500's.

Thx certified wire for speakers ? Myth or truth ? Need wire soon have speakers here i a little over a week have to hide WIRE in walls !

Thx certified wire for speakers ? Myth or truth ? Need wire soon have speakers here i a little over a week have to hide WIRE in walls !
I'm going with myth.

Thx certified wire for speakers ? Myth or truth ? Need wire soon have speakers here i a little over a week have to hide WIRE in walls !

Obviously they'll be good but totally unnecessary. Paradigm speakers aren't THX certified anyway so definitely no need to use THX wire.

Thx certified wire for speakers ? Myth or truth ? Need wire soon have speakers here i a little over a week have to hide WIRE in walls !

Get in-wall rated wire from monoprice. From your distance runs 12AWG should be perfect.

I have adp590's as sides but think for rears I will save some money (1200 for new adp's for rears? ha don't think so) and get something else in back. Gotta decide between those emotiva's and sbs-01's but the 4ohm of the emotivas could be hard on my onkyo 805 till I get a seperate amp for the fronts (possibly modified behringer ep2500's.
get the studio 10's. check out this setup http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1103417

Hello,
I am new to the forum and a proud new owner of the Paradigm monitor 11 v.5. Just wanted to introduce myself and ask your opinion of which center I should go with. I 've been looking at the monitor cc-290,but was considering the cc-370 and cc-390. Will the cc-290 offer a good timbre match for the 11's? Space is a concern that is why I am asking about this one in particular.
Thanks,
Young

The 290 is a hoss all its own, I have one, it sounds great, I run mine with the monitor 9v5 though. If you go with the 390, its is almost a whole foot longer, and of course heavier... forgive me for not looking it up, just a guess. I don't think you'll be disappointed either way. for me it was the size in the end. I have mine mounted from a shelf installed above my DLP. I just couldn't sleep thinking that mountain of a 390 was haning out above my TV.

good luck, and enjoy!

The Rosenut finish is beautiful. A bit redder than my cabinet in real life but pretty close.

The Rosenut finish is beautiful. A bit redder than my cabinet in real life but pretty close.

SEXY... the speakers not the Blondie CD... LOL

i just ordered a cinema 330 lcr trio. can anyone tell me if any of the in-ceiling lines will be a good match for these (timber, especially in the midrange)? i'd like to use in-ceilings for the surrounds.

thanks,
ben

Anyone running NAD with Paradigm speakers? I'm thinking of eventually adding a dedicated two channel amp to my Onkyo TX-SR706 to power my Paradigm Monitor 9s (and let the Onkyo handle the other channels), and it seems like an amp like the C272 would fit the bill. Curious if anyone else has run a similar setup? Would the upgarde be worth it for the Monitor series towers?

I would rather upgrade something else than the amplifier given your current system. You could try auditioning one from a local dealer to see if you think the difference is worth it, but do blind listening tests with random switching from an independent person.

I would rather upgrade something else than the amplifier given your current system. You could try auditioning one from a local dealer to see if you think the difference is worth it, but do blind listening tests with random switching from an independent person.

Hmmm...not sure what else I would _want_ to upgrade right now. Honestly, I'm happy with the performance of my system, especially for movies. I think with music it could be somewhat better. I figured maybe an amplifier would be the way to go, since I listen to music in stereo mode.

Also, as far as NAD, it's darn hard to audition their stuff...they seem to have very few dealers in my area. There used to be a place in Madison (Happy Medium) who I believe sold NAD, but they're no longer listed on NAD's site. There's also a place in the Milwaukee area that supposedly carries them, but I can't find any info on them, positive or negative. I'd probably just buy from Saturday Audio or somewhere like that. Had good luck with them in the past. I think I lean towards NAD since I used to own a 2200, which sounded great...but eventually developed some issues due to age. Ended up selling that amp and haven't had a good power amp since.

I'm running a NAD T743 A/V Receiver for my Paradigms (Titans V.4 all around). And it does a great job, I would say NAD is strong when it comes to clean power and sound quality, but is lacking in keeping up to date with new technologies for DTS HD MA and Dolby True or Video management, usually their more expensive stuff keeps up but their lower end which still sits in the 1000$ range doesn't have all the extras that a Denon would have at a lower price point. But when it comes to Amps they really do have good clean power. I love the sound from my NAD thats for sure.

The Rosenut finish is beautiful. A bit redder than my cabinet in real life but pretty close.

Hey Warp, where is the CC-490 in front of the TV? I'm thinking of making that my front stage!

Hmmm...not sure what else I would _want_ to upgrade right now. Honestly, I'm happy with the performance of my system, especially for movies. I think with music it could be somewhat better. I figured maybe an amplifier would be the way to go, since I listen to music in stereo mode.

I'm just saying that (given your front speakers) I noticed a much larger improvement between Monitor 9s and Studio 60s than with a decent receiver vs power amp (very negligible). That's where I'd put the money (better speakers).

Im currently gathering up the components for my new theater room. I have been using a pair of Infinity Kappa 8's for the front speakers and really like the smooth sound and crisp highs they provide. These will be the left and right front speakers for the theater. Having recently acquired a new Denon AVR-3808CI, Im looking for the rear and side surrounds to round out the speakers in the rear. I auditioned a pair of SA-35 Ver 2 in wall speakers and also liked the bright and crisp sound. However, they were being driven by a different amplifier and did not benefit (or be detracted by) the Kappa 8's. I would welcome any recommendation or thoughts on the Paradigm in wall surrounds when coupled with the 3808 amp. The room is only 18' X 20' and the Infinity's are spec'ed at 6 Ohms but easily dip down to 4 or below. Im concerned about the power handling capacity of the amp and any potential sound issues between the speakers.

Anyone running NAD with Paradigm speakers?

I have a 175/975 combo, with 40s and a 690 up front, with 20s for sides. A Servo 15 v.1 is tied to the 40s so they run full range, and a Sig Servo on LFE.
It sounds really nice, and although I've never really pushed it, I can't see it running out of steam easily. The quality, even at lower levels is superb.

Thx certified wire for speakers ? Myth or truth ? Need wire soon have speakers here i a little over a week have to hide WIRE in walls !
Here is good priced & well made wire that will last a long time.
If in a hurry like I was to get my set up working Paradigm studio 20 v.5 & CC-490. I used the Belden 5T00UP (Gray jacket, 10 AWG) for the RLC fronts I used bigger wire cost not that much more & gray matched our carpet. Then use BJC Twelve White (5000UE) (White jacket, 12 AWG) for the rears. Got the wire at link below.
http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

If you want to use banana plugs for hook up I went with these.
http://www.speakerrepair.com/Merchan...y_Code=locking
I tryed the Safe-Connect Series Banana Plugs because they are shorter but they fell out of the sockets so I sent them back & got the locking type.

The B-Tech BT77 is what you want, now the .v5's have a curved cabinet, but I'm sure it will work. I believe AbMagFab mounted his S2's with that bracket, I use it for my Studio 20's

Thanks :) for the wall mount info I have been searching the internet, stores & my brain :confused: for somthing heavy duty enough to mount my studio 20 v.5 fronts on the wall or a small out of the way stand I could use. You people have all the answers.

get the studio 10's. check out this setup http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1103417

i don't have Paradigm money left for rears. Budget is like 250

my question is two sub 12's or one sub 15 ? my listening area is about 17 long 13 wide 8 high . paradigm 100's cc 690 adp 590 anthem mca 50 avm 50. my great room total is about 40 long 25 wide 8 high , with the listening room in that space , 50 50 ht music . i was told doing a 5.1 i would be better with two subs instead of a single sub . the cost of doing a 7.1 system would be more , amps speakers ect... input please ? want to do it right first time . putting wire in walls soon. thanks in advance .

i don't have Paradigm money left for rears. Budget is like 250

I would save a bit more and get what you really want a compromise is just
that and will eventually breakout in upgraditis.

my question is two sub 12's or one sub 15 ? my listening area is about 17 long 13 wide 8 high . paradigm 100's cc 690 adp 590 anthem mca 50 avm 50. my great room total is about 40 long 25 wide 8 high , with the listening room in that space , 50 50 ht music . i was told doing a 5.1 i would be better with two subs instead of a single sub . the cost of doing a 7.1 system would be more , amps speakers ect... input please ? want to do it right first time . putting wire in walls soon. thanks in advance .

That's going to be hard to answer without a review or forum testing done on
said models but my 2cents would be a sub-15 if you stay paradigm only and
an ultra 13 from SVS if you go with another brand.

Anyone running NAD with Paradigm speakers? I'm thinking of eventually adding a dedicated two channel amp to my Onkyo TX-SR706 to power my Paradigm Monitor 9s (and let the Onkyo handle the other channels), and it seems like an amp like the C272 would fit the bill. Curious if anyone else has run a similar setup? Would the upgarde be worth it for the Monitor series towers?

Being that the Monitors are so efficient, especially the V5, I don't think you would benefit that much from an external amp. The Onkyos have decent amps in them. Your's is THX Select rated anyway.

Still, better power never hurts. Just maybe not cost effective in your situation.

Thanks guys. I think I will stick with what I have for now. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

i don't have Paradigm money left for rears. Budget is like 250

My 2-cents...I have Paradigm Studio 40's/cc-590's...and I just got the Emotiva ERD-1 surrounds. I like them a lot and they have selectable switches to customize the sound for where it's placed in the room....on the side or in the rear. And they are exactly $250 with free shipping right now. They are internet only so you can't listen beforehand, but people really like them. Build REALLY well. I got 2 pair so I could do 7.1 and I'm really happy so far. They look and sound great.

Only sticking point is that they are 4 OHM speakers...so your amp would need to be able to do that.

http://emotiva.com/erd1.shtm

You know what, Ill follow you guys advice and give the dealer some support so he can stay in business,especially during this gloomy economic climate.

If you don't mind I'd like to get your opinions on what I should go with for the rears. I'm running a 5.1 now and was considering the mini monitor's, 7's, adp-190, or adp-390. This is a building process for me and I cant fork out the money all at once. So that I can have an idea I was wondering what are the adp's going for?
I am running the 390 with the 11's and am very impressed. I upgraded from monitor 9's and cc-370. the presence of the 390 is immense. Just remember the size!!! Plan ahead.

You would be happy with either but the 390 will survive longer in your system as you will really have to splurge to out perform it substantially IMO.

My 2-cents...I have Paradigm Studio 40's/cc-590's...and I just got the Emotiva ERD-1 surrounds. I like them a lot and they have selectable switches to customize the sound for where it's placed in the room....on the side or in the rear. And they are exactly $250 with free shipping right now. They are internet only so you can't listen beforehand, but people really like them. Build REALLY well. I got 2 pair so I could do 7.1 and I'm really happy so far. They look and sound great.

Only sticking point is that they are 4 OHM speakers...so your amp would need to be able to do that.

I am scared if my onkyo 805 can handle them. It does 4ohm but not sure how well.

Would it be safer to go with SBS-01 from svs or are the emotivas worth a shot?

does anyone out there have studio v-5's in 100's cc-690 adp-590's and been using them for music , ht ? mine are a week out and it is killing me! i need to know . i also decieded on the sub 15 . thanks in advance

does anyone out there have studio v-5's in 100's cc-690 adp-590's and been using them for music , ht ? mine are a week out and it is killing me! i need to know . i also decieded on the sub 15 . thanks in advance

Check out the Studio v5 thread.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061034&page=22