does anyone out there have studio v-5's in 100's cc-690 adp-590's and been using them for music , ht ? mine are a week out and it is killing me! i need to know . i also decieded on the sub 15 . thanks in advance


I have the same kit minus the ADP's as I use the v.5 Studio 20's for my surrounds.

Love them!


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Brian

I'm building a small home theater (12' wide by by 21' deep) - and the current plan from the home theater firm is to have (all from Paradigm):

L/R: SA-35
Center: SA-LCR
Side and Rear: ADP-390 (four of them)
Sub: DSP-3200

All powered by an Integra DTR-7.9.

The Front and Center speakers will be hidden behind a 106" screen.

Any thoughts or recommendations re: speaker combinations? Receiver (though this is probably not the right place).

Thanks for any insight you can provide...

Thanks for all the help on the surround speakers but I decided to play it safe on my amo and go with 8ohm speakers. I also already have Di-poles for sides so i wanted direct radiating rears because my seat is at least 5 feet from the rear wall.

I got SVS SBS-01's for $220 shipped, just got transporter 3 in and will be building 2 eD 18" woofer sonotubes... Should be a fun 7.1 experience.

I heard the studio 10's today and was pretty impressed with them! My dealer wanted $950 for them but I just showed a bit of intrest and it was down to $700 pretty quick.
I also was looking at the 100's v5. Can get for around $2600. not a bad deal and I might just go pull the trigger next weekend.
Must also note, the 60's sounded awesome with metallica at the store!! and the whole v5 line is very nice in person.

I heard the studio 10's today and was pretty impressed with them! My dealer wanted $950 for them but I just showed a bit of intrest and it was down to $700 pretty quick.
I also was looking at the 100's v5. Can get for around $2600. not a bad deal and I might just go pull the trigger next weekend.
Must also note, the 60's sounded awesome with metallica at the store!! and the whole v5 line is very nice in person.

That is a great price on the 100's and they are addictive.

I still think searching out a good deal on the v4 100s is a better value. I got mine at $1800 for the pair a month ago.

That is a great price on the 100's and they are addictive.

Original Studio 20's, my own subs. Even though the 20's were voiced much flatter than the rest of the line, I will soon replace them with my own. They were a great buy for $600 at the time. I really hate how my CC of the same series is voiced to match the floor standers, really pushy mids. Still, they were the only built speakers I could afford that passed my wife's test. She has better hearing than anyone I have ever met. Can go in a store and go no, no, no, no, OK, no...etc. Vandersteen, 800 series B&W, ML's if played low, and the cheap Studio 20's. Only ones to pass her test.

Original Studio 20's, my own subs. Even though the 20's were voiced much flatter than the rest of the line, I will soon replace them with my own. They were a great buy for $600 at the time. I really hate how my CC of the same series is voiced to match the floor standers, really pushy mids. Still, they were the only built speakers I could afford that passed my wife's test. She has better hearing than anyone I have ever met. Can go in a store and go no, no, no, no, OK, no...etc. Vandersteen, 800 series B&W, ML's if played low, and the cheap Studio 20's. Only ones to pass her test.

Huge difference in the D and S 800's. The D's are the only passable B&W's, IMO.

I have owned my Studio 40 v4s for a month now and I am blown away by these speakers. The mid range detail and sound stage is stunning. Listening to familar CD's I am hearing things I did not previously hear. Simply amazing

I am going to go to my local dealer this afternoon and demo the Studio 100 v4 or v5, and the cc-690 center. I am hoping to be blown away by these speakers. I currently have Jamo c809's and the c80 ceneter. The center sounds a little thin to me. My brother-in-law has the Monitor 7 or 9's I can't remember, and I like the way they sound. I just hope the studio's will be a step up from the Jamo's. Any opinions?

I am going to go to my local dealer this afternoon and demo the Studio 100 v4 or v5, and the cc-690 center. I am hoping to be blown away by these speakers. I currently have Jamo c809's and the c80 ceneter. The center sounds a little thin to me. My brother-in-law has the Monitor 7 or 9's I can't remember, and I like the way they sound. I just hope the studio's will be a step up from the Jamo's. Any opinions?

I would listen to a few CDs at home right before leaving and take the same CDs with me to listen to the 100s

I would listen to a few CDs at home right before leaving and take the same CDs with me to listen to the 100s

Thanks, I was planning on doing that too. I don't really listen to much music in the home theater, mostly just movies.

Thanks, I was planning on doing that too. I don't really listen to much music in the home theater, mostly just movies.

Well do the same with your favorite DVDs. Just make sure you take something that you are familiar with along with you. You will have to make some mental adjustments for the differences in rooms but it will be a decent comparison.

Just got back from listening to the Studio 60 v4 and the cc590 center. I thought they sounded a little better than my Jamo's, the center was definatley better. They didn't have the studio 100's which is what I really wanted to hear. He gave me a price on the floor model 60's, v4, 1200 for the pair and said he would deal on the center too. Would the 100's be overkill for my room, it's 15x22 and the left side is open to another room about 16x19. I know it's hard to say, just don't want to wait the 2 -3 weeks before they get the v5's in, and they might not have the 100's, just the 60's. Thanks.

Current 805's passed her muster. $3800 pair. $1200 2Ce's, $2400 ML's and $600 Paradigms. I also liked a Canton that they made at that time. Point I was making is that the humble mass-produced Paradigm 20's could on that basis be compared with a rather select, if varied, set of speakers. They are far from perfect as I consider their voicing a bit too forward and they fall apart at high levels in my large-ish living room. Criticism? No, market choice. That is why I have gotten back into building my own. Paradigm is an easy recommendation that is far better than a lot of well known brands and does nothing particularly wrong. (The famous attribute of the 2ce's). Mine have served me well and I expect a good return from e-bay when I recycle them.

I have the Titan's v5 and I wonder if its worth it to get some 20's or 40's. Is their a noticable difference or only minor. Someone please chime in while I still have some income money.

I have a question about the versions of the Paradigm speakers. I know that one should get all the fronts from the same line but does it make a difference if they are of different versions? For example, I have the Monitor 7s v4 and the cc190 v5. I may look to up the cc190 to a cc290 but that may end up being a v6.

I found an enormous difference between the monitor and studio reference line. In fact, I was going to buy B&W until I listened to the studio reference equivelents from paradigm. Much hardier speakers that are much clearer sounding and can handle much higher volumes without falling apart.
Though, I do have to say I'm not very impressed with the adp590's. They are no longer side specific so you end up with one side speaker in phase with your fronts and one thats not. Not a hot setup in my book.

I prefer to use the 20's as my surround speakers with the 40's up front and the larger center(reference). For my subs I use two SVS 12" passive subs running off a 1200 watt amp. The most content I've ever been with my system!

I have the Titan's v5 and I wonder if its worth it to get some 20's or 40's. Is their a noticable difference or only minor. Someone please chime in while I still have some income money.

Yes, definitely. If you can still get a pair of 40's within your budget, do not hesitate and move your Titans to the rear. That would a great upgrade.

I have a question about the versions of the Paradigm speakers. I know that one should get all the fronts from the same line but does it make a difference if they are of different versions? For example, I have the Monitor 7s v4 and the cc190 v5. I may look to up the cc190 to a cc290 but that may end up being a v6.

I have V2 100's, a V4 CC690, V1 PW2200, V2 20's and V6 Atoms.
Cant get much different versions than that. Sounds great.

If you're still unsure, email Paradigm and see what Gary says.

i have an active setup from the v1 paradigm reference line. has anyone auditioned these against current models? i have the front l/r as active 450 so they are mtm. my center is a studio 450 powered with an emotiva amp. and my rears are active 20/s ver 1. i have the servo 15 ver1 sub. while i am really happy with my current setup im thinking what does the v5 sound like.....

i have the same kit minus the adp's as i use the v.5 studio 20's for my surrounds.

Love them!


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brian

do you find the 20's do a better job as surround than the adp590's i have heard both sides and wondered if you ever ran the 590's

bert

Yes, definitely. If you can still get a pair of 40's within your budget, do not hesitate and move your Titans to the rear. That would a great upgrade.



I have V2 100's, a V4 CC690, V1 PW2200, V2 20's and V6 Atoms.
Cant get much different versions than that. Sounds great.

If you're still unsure, email Paradigm and see what Gary says.

Thanks. I have Atoms v5 as rears so I may keep those instead of doing all five. Would the 20s be just fine also?

brian

do you find the 20's do a better job as surround than the adp590's i have heard both sides and wondered if you ever ran the 590's

bert


I didn't plan to go with the 590's but can't say how good they are. I do like the 20's though. If I had the money I'd like to have 5 Sig 8's for my 5.1 system.


Brian

I have the Titan's v5 and I wonder if its worth it to get some 20's or 40's. Is their a noticable difference or only minor. Someone please chime in while I still have some income money.

I just upgraded from Mini monitor v5 to Studio 20 v5's, and there's definitely a difference, even before the 20's have broken in. (I A/B'd them on my receiver at home, so it's a fair comparison). The 20's have a much bigger soundstage in all 3 dimensions (width and depth, and height is even noticeable on some recordings), imaging is much more precise, and I like the tweeters a lot more; they're clearer and cleaner, but not fatiguing IMO; less so than on the Monitors even, I'd say.

I have the Titan's v5 and I wonder if its worth it to get some 20's or 40's. Is their a noticable difference or only minor. Someone please chime in while I still have some income money.
I was using Atoms as my main speakers after selling my old Esprit Monitors a few years ago. Last month I picked a pair of Studio 40's and the difference was so great my wife immediately piped up about how great they sounded - only after 30 seconds of music. The Atoms now happily bring up the rear and the 40's are simply amazing whether they are playing movie soundtracks, Diana Krall, Vivaldi, or the Tragically Hip. Get the either the 20's or 40's !!

I just purchased studio 100's and the cc690 center, what center speaker stand should I use with it?

Hi guys,
Is $700 plus tax a good price for a floor model CC590.V4.
It would come with full 5 year warranty...

Hi guys,
Is $700 plus tax a good price for a floor model CC590.V4.
It would come with full 5 year warranty...


Tell them to make it $600 and you ll get a good deal. $700 is only 10% less of a brand new one.
Good luck!

I tought retail is $1000 for the CC590.V4 and the new Version.5 is even higher..

Hi guys,
Is $700 plus tax a good price for a floor model CC590.V4.
It would come with full 5 year warranty...

$700 is an ok price (depending upon condition), thats 30% off MSRP. However, I've seen brand new ones going for 33.3% off MSRP.

I paid $650 for a cc-570 v3 a few months ago befor eI knew the v5's were coming out so that price seems good.

I paid $650 for a cc-570 v3 a few months ago befor eI knew the v5's were coming out so that price seems good.
That's what I think since the new 590.V5's will have a retail of $1200.
I wish I could find a CC690.V4 for a great discount but it seems hard to find....
I am not even sure if there is a big difference between the 590 and the 690 center...

I paid $650 for a cc-570 v3 a few months ago befor eI knew the v5's were coming out so that price seems good.
That's what I think since the new 590.V5's will have a retail of $1200.
I wish I could find a CC690.V4 for a great discount but it seems hard to find....
I am not even sure if there is a big difference between the 590 and the 690 center...

The diference is huge, I sold my cc-690 v.4 not long ago and it was gone in about 8 hrs., they do go fast if price is right.

What's the msrp for stand for 20 V.5 ?.

What's the msrp for stand for 20 V.5 ?.

$400 for a pair of the J-29's, with the lower-end S series stands being significantly cheaper.

The J series stands are quite nice; you can fill them with sand, they have a channel to run the speaker wire through, they have adjustable spikes, and you can bolt the speakers to them (there are threaded holes in the bottom of the 20's for this). They're expensive, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a stand that blends with the styling of the v5's as well as these do, I think. Plus all those features are nice to have.

I initially regretted spending that much on stands (I got a decent discount though), but I am glad I bought them now.

400, might as well get 60's

i have on order adp 590's for the surround's , v5's . i am only doing a 5.1 system are the 20's a better speaker for the surrounds ? the other speakers are, 100's cc690 sub 15 . or shoiuld i go crazy and do a 7.1 using 20's for rears or possibly 10's . room is smallish . thanks in advance . bert

i have on order adp 590's for the surround's , v5's . i am only doing a 5.1 system are the 20's a better speaker for the surrounds ? the other speakers are, 100's cc690 sub 15 . or shoiuld i go crazy and do a 7.1 using 20's for rears or possibly 10's . room is smallish . thanks in advance . bert

I'm doing 7.1 with ADP590's for the sides, 20's for the rears, 690 for the center and 100's for the fronts. I'm very happy with the ADP's, I feel it does a better job at sound dispersion when utilized as side surrounds.

i have on order adp 590's for the surround's , v5's . i am only doing a 5.1 system are the 20's a better speaker for the surrounds ? the other speakers are, 100's cc690 sub 15 . or shoiuld i go crazy and do a 7.1 using 20's for rears or possibly 10's . room is smallish . thanks in advance . bert

I've got 590's for surrounds and 10's for rears. I'm very happy with the setup:)

i have on order adp 590's for the surround's , v5's . i am only doing a 5.1 system are the 20's a better speaker for the surrounds ? the other speakers are, 100's cc690 sub 15 . or shoiuld i go crazy and do a 7.1 using 20's for rears or possibly 10's . room is smallish . thanks in advance . berthttp://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16072244

400, might as well get 60's

60's are still $400 more than 20's with stands. I must admit, the 60's were tempting though. However, I'd always use them with a sub, so I couldn't justify them over the 20's.

400, might as well get 60's

I bought s pair of Studio 40s v4's last month because my AV rack has room on the either side of the TV for speakers. The height of the unit bring the tweeters nicely to ear level. Otherwise, I'd have been tempted to go with 60's.

Hello all, been trolling around the forum here for the last few months since I decided to upgrade the HT this past year. Lots of great information here... The following is the system that I started with

Pioneer VSX 1015
2 Fluance AV-F3
4 Mission 700 speakers
1 Mission 70c1 center channel speaker
1 Mission 70as subwoofer
Epson Cinema 10 Projector - tired of changing bulbs @ $300 per pop
JVC TV
PS3
HTPC e6600 C2D in Silverstone LC-10 case

Basically got rid of most everything except the PS3 and HTPC here is the current system

Marantz SR4002
2 Paradigm Reference Studio 60
1 Paradigm Reference Studio CC
2 Paradigm Monitor ADP350
Energy s-10.3 subwoofer
Mission 70as subwoofer - remnant used as a rear sub
Samsung 61" LED DLP
PS3
HTPC c2d e6600


80/20 Movies/Music



Been awhile since I updated the post - so I got rid of the Mission sub and still keeping an eye open for another Energy s10.3 sub It really is quite a good sub goes down to 21hz +/-3 and I live in an apartment. Have moved the ADPs as side surround as I found a nice pair of Atom v5s for the rears. Sounds great. Also found a nice little Rotel 160w amp to power the Studio 60 front end and will continue to use the Marantz to power the rest. I am so pleased with the current set up, I have nothing to spend my money on:( Just kidding, I have two daughters - I'll never have that problem:eek:

I just purchased studio 100's and the cc690 center, what center speaker stand should I use with it?

Congrats on the purchase!

There are plenty of stands out there but none currently look and fit the studio's as good
as their J series.

I can barely operate a hammer and I built stands for my ADP 590's

Am a newbie setting up my home theater , and need advice on surround speakers and sub woofer .

Here's my setup details :

Receiver : pioneer VSX91-Thx
Fronts : Paradigm Monitor 7 series tower speakers
console : ps3
Tv: Samsung LN52A650

Room style : 18X12 (shoe box style)

----------------------------------------------------
Speaker1###{TV }### Speaker2######sub


rear2#####Couch#######rear1
----------------------------------------------------
<-------------------- 18 feet----------------------->

As you can see in the above image , i can not place my rear speakers
behind the couch , so they can be either wall mounted or placed on the
sides of the couch .

here are some options i was thinking :

Surrounds:

paradigm Adp 190
Paradigm Mini Monitors
Mirage Os3 sat
Definitive Technology BP2x

Subs: all suggestions welcome

please advise
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Has anyone wall mounted a set of Signature S1's.... Bracket link, or suggestions...?

Am a newbie setting up my home theater , and need advice on surround speakers and sub woofer .

Here's my setup details :

Receiver : pioneer VSX91-Thx
Fronts : Paradigm Monitor 7 series tower speakers
console : ps3
Tv: Samsung LN52A650

Room style : 18X12 (shoe box style)

----------------------------------------------------
Speaker1###{TV }### Speaker2######sub


rear2#####Couch#######rear1
----------------------------------------------------
<-------------------- 18 feet----------------------->

As you can see in the above image , i can not place my rear speakers
behind the couch , so they can be either wall mounted or placed on the
sides of the couch .

here are some options i was thinking :

Surrounds:

paradigm Adp 190
Paradigm Mini Monitors
Mirage Os3 sat
Definitive Technology BP2x

Subs: all suggestions welcome

What is your budget?

i have a chance to buy 4C/14AWG-3CL wire for 200 dollars for 500 feet . is this a good wire to use with my paradigm speakers ? i was going to double it so i bacisly have a 7 wire PER SPEAKER . the product is from a high end store . the product is ETHEREAL . THEY SAY IT IS THE SAME AS MONSTER WIRE WITH OUT THE NAME . I THINK THEY SAID 105 OR 120 STRAND WIRE COUNT . THANKS BERT

Use the chart on this page to find out what length you should use for your runs.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm


Then compare prices with monoprice.com and see if your getting a good price, or bluejeanscable.com as well... there is no magic in speaker wire. Monster is a hyped up company that preys on its victims.

I checked the wire , on chart , should be great for the runs i will be doing . The price is close . Thanks for the input . Here goes the wire into the ceilings and walls. Thanks bert

Has anyone wall mounted a set of Signature S1's.... Bracket link, or suggestions...?

I have no idea what the brand of mount is but here's a pic of what someone has done in Australia.:)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=137470&d=1237673330

I checked the wire , on chart , should be great for the runs i will be doing . The price is close . Thanks for the input . Here goes the wire into the ceilings and walls. Thanks bert

Glad to help....

I have no idea what the brand of mount is but here's a pic of what someone has done in Australia.:)


Thanks peter...

Thats a B-Tech BT-77 mount, and I have used that on my side surround.

I was looking to use some type of bracket that I could utilize the screw holes right on the back of the speaker (http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/pics/paradigm_signature_s1_rear.jpg)... I'm trying to find something for a rear surround speaker so it doesn't stick out of the wall like a soar thumb.

I have a strange room layout and need something on either said of the plant that will face the camera.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/HTPics013.jpg

I think I may just have to fabricate something on my own...

Warp try looking at omni mount at one time they offered a bottom plate swivel mount. http://www.htmarket.com/om30lbbospmo.html

Warp, the problem with those types of mounts is that they employ a ball joint design, which does not have the capability to substantiate the load that most quality bookshelfs/satellites require due to their dense design. The typical load is around 10-15 pounds.

If you find a pair that are capable, lmk, as I have yet to find any, and would be interested to see if it exists.

I am looking to buy some new speakers and think I will be going with some paradigms. I don't have a very high budget though and was thinking about something in the monitor series. The local dealer has the mini monitors for $219.99 and the monitor 7s for $349. He also has last year's studio 20s for $800/pair. I was wondering if these were good prices and if home audio stores that sell products like this would negotiate prices. I have no experience buying at dedicated home audio stores. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I am looking to buy some new speakers and think I will be going with some paradigms. I don't have a very high budget though and was thinking about something in the monitor series. The local dealer has the mini monitors for $219.99 and the monitor 7s for $349. He also has last year's studio 20s for $800/pair. I was wondering if these were good prices and if home audio stores that sell products like this would negotiate prices. I have no experience buying at dedicated home audio stores. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I think they are fairely good prices.

i planned my system on a 5.1 . anthem avm 50 , anthem mca 50 , paradigm's V-5's 100 , cc-690 , adp-590's , sub 15 . then when i ran the wires , i upgraded the wires to a 7.1
, all in ceiling and in walls . the room is a great room it is around 40 x 30 . the listening area is 13 wide 17 deep 8high . i have never had a home system like this , soon OH YEA . so is the 7.1 over kill , will the expence of rear speakers and the amp be worth it ? how much sound quality will i gain from the added cost . the wire cost nothing , so if i don't use it no problem . could add down the road . i have a samsung 850 lcd how far from the tv should the 100's be ? i am going to drive everyone crazy whem i am done with the remodel and put in my eqip. in . i am clueless to this all i read about the arc on the anthem and get lost right away . be patient . thanks in advance bert

Warp try looking at omni mount at one time they offered a bottom plate swivel mount. http://www.htmarket.com/om30lbbospmo.html


Thanks Oz, I see you editted your post about the weight, I actually have the other form of that mount here in my house, not being used at this time. http://www.htmarket.com/om30lbspmo.html They supported the SVS bookshelves when I auditioned them.

I really haven't made up my mind whether I'm going to do the Sig S1's back there or go with something onwall like the Studio Esprit (http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/fronts-studio-studioesprit-model-2-13-1-72.paradigm) to keep it tighter to the wall, unless I can find something similar that is not tall, those are 26" tall.

Being rear surrounds, I'm much less concerned about matching identical speakers as I am with aesthetics. So with that said - - - any suggestions for an above average SQ speaker would be more then appreciated.

Hey Warp!!!

okay.. now the question..

one of my ADP-590s is acting up. The subwoofer sounds weird with certain frequencies. It is the only one that is doing it. How can you tell if the woofer is blown. What other problems could be causing it. If I contact Paradigm, what would I tell them.

Thanks

I paid a large amount for my ADP590's (relative to everything else in my system) and want to get the most out of them or sell them (590 v.5 would get me a good return).

Right now I have them set on each side of my seat (I have a single chait for my main seat) about one foot up in height and 1.5 feet to the side on stands. Very few movies are giving the sound I would like but the ones that do are amazing.

Because they are so close I thought ADP's would be better to not identify themselves but part of me is missing the direct feeling of the sound being more noticable. When I move them back a bit they do seem to identify themselves a bit more but I am adding rears very soon so I am wondering if getting matching sides and rears would be worth it for the money savings (SVS SBS-01's).

Hey Warp!!!

okay.. now the question..

one of my ADP-590s is acting up. The subwoofer sounds weird with certain frequencies. It is the only one that is doing it. How can you tell if the woofer is blown. What other problems could be causing it. If I contact Paradigm, what would I tell them.

Thanks

What is your crossover set to?

I paid a large amount for my ADP590's (relative to everything else in my system) and want to get the most out of them or sell them (590 v.5 would get me a good return).

Right now I have them set on each side of my seat (I have a single chait for my main seat) about one foot up in height and 1.5 feet to the side on stands. Very few movies are giving the sound I would like but the ones that do are amazing.

Because they are so close I thought ADP's would be better to not identify themselves but part of me is missing the direct feeling of the sound being more noticable. When I move them back a bit they do seem to identify themselves a bit more but I am adding rears very soon so I am wondering if getting matching sides and rears would be worth it for the money savings (SVS SBS-01's).

When you get your rears, try them out as surrounds and see if you like them more than the adps. I like the adps for the surrounds and directs for the rears, but mine are further away than yours.

What is your crossover set to?

110Hz

I have ADP for the surrounds and rears.. but my sofas are only a foot away from the back wall.. I was afraid they were too close for directs (Studio 20s)

I am thrilled with them

I am very close to purchasing some in-wall speakers but having trouble with the centre speaker choice.

Proposed setup as follows -

Front -SA35
Centre - :confused:
Surrounds - SA25
Sub - Ultracube10


The problem lies in getting a centre that fits within my budget and meets the WAF criteria.

She wont entertain SA30 or 35 as a centre (fine for fronts) and we don't want to put in a large box centre. The SALCR just blows the budget out plus it is a special import into New Zealand.

We are seriously considering a Millenia 20, it fits perfectly under the LCD TV. and as its from the reference range it "should be" a better choice than the AMSLCR which gets the WAF tick.

Comments anyone?

Rob.

PS: She thinks the SA35 as fronts are a good idea so who am I to argue? :D

Hi folks,

Are there any problems pairing Monitor 7 with Onkyo receiver TX-SR6xx/7xx that I should be aware of?

Hi folks,

Are there any problems pairing Monitor 7 with Onkyo receiver TX-SR6xx/7xx that I should be aware of?

The Monitors are easy to drive, most any receiver will be fine. The Onkyo will be a great match. Although no more or less than any other. ;)

Hi folks,

Are there any problems pairing Monitor 7 with Onkyo receiver TX-SR6xx/7xx that I should be aware of?

I have Monitor 11s paired with my Onkyo 705 and find I have difficulty turning it off!:p

Hello All,
I have a question regarding compatibility. I currently have a Onkyo 706 amp with 2 Rogers LS 8's front speakers (from the 80's), a polk center channel, and difinitive rear Pro 800 series surrounds. Sub W, HSU STF-1. The listening room is about 15 feet by 12 feet. I know this sounds like a bit of a mish mosh, but it sounds very good. My ? is I am thinking about replacing the old Rogers Fronts with Paradigm studio 20's. My main concern is the pairing of the Studio 20s with a Onkyo 706. Are these speakers to good to use with this lower level amp?

Hello All,
I have a question regarding compatibility. I currently have a Onkyo 706 amp with 2 Rogers LS 8's front speakers (from the 80's), a polk center channel, and difinitive rear Pro 800 series surrounds. Sub W, HSU STF-1. The listening room is about 15 feet by 12 feet. I know this sounds like a bit of a mish mosh, but it sounds very good. My ? is I am thinking about replacing the old Rogers Fronts with Paradigm studio 20's. My main concern is the pairing of the Studio 20s with a Onkyo 706. Are these speakers to good to use with this lower level amp?

Anyone?

You should be alright to power the Studio's with that amp. But if you are really concerned about power, have you considered some monoblocks or a power amp solution? Really there shouldn't be a problem but if you want to give them a little more power an external power amp could give you some relief.

Edit***
From Paradigm's site they are saying the following
Maximum Input Power† 110 watts

Really don't need much power to drive these guys.

You should be alright to power the Studio's with that amp. But if you are really concerned about power, have you considered some monoblocks or a power amp solution? Really there shouldn't be a problem but if you want to give them a little more power an external power amp could give you some relief.

Edit***
From Paradigm's site they are saying the following
Maximum Input Power† 110 watts

Really don't need much power to drive these guys.

Thanks! Its not the power I am concerned with it is the overall quality of the amp vs the speakers. Anyway, I ordered the Studio 20s, couldnt resist the deal I got. Thanks for the feed back. Do you have them?

Not running them I run Paradigm Titans on an NAD. And from what I've heard from others the Onkyo sound good, the Paradigms are great I've heard the Studio's and they are just great speakers. Power would have been my first concern, but since it seems manageable I don't think you have much to worry about. I am more toward Denon then Onkyo, it would be great to hear what others say regarding Amp matching with Paradigms. I love the sound of my NAD but its a bit outdated in the feature side.

I was told my speakers and amp , paradigm , v-5's 100's cc690 adp590 sub 15 , anthem mca 50 , are in new york . On there way to me in az , yea yea can't wait it seems a life time .

I was told my speakers and amp , paradigm , v-5's 100's cc690 adp590 sub 15 , anthem mca 50 , are in new york . On there way to me in az , yea yea can't wait it seems a life time .
congrats, post some pics when they arrive.

what would be a better buy used S8,C5 v.s new 100,cc690?

what would be a better buy used S8,C5 v.s new 100,cc690?

I just compared the new Studio 100 v5 with my Signature S6's and i can tell you that the Signature line still sounds better. The S6 v.2 presented the midrange with excellent clarity than the 100's did and the S6 was more laid back and not as edgy in sound than the 100's. The bass is a different story. I found the 100's could go down little lower than the S6 and hit the bass little harder, but became little muddled compared to the S6.

So if you ask me, i would take a used S6 or an S8 over the new Studio 100's any day.

cheers,

what would be a better buy used S8,C5 v.s new 100,cc690?



Let your wallet and ears duke it out. Either way you win. :)

Let your wallet and ears duke it out. Either way you win. :)

well said.

Has anyone heard the in-wall Paradigm SA-ADP's yet? I have my HT in my living room and need to have the left and right surrounds as in-wall's. Right now I have Studio 100's v4 as the mains and a CC-590 for the center. But I kept my original Polk TC-615's and the in-wall surrounds. I was thinking of getting some SA-30's to replace the Polk's, when I noticed the SA-ADP's.

But because of the way the room is, I have the surrounds behind the seating area and raised up about 3 ft above the listener. I was wondering if the SA-ADP's will be a better choice than the SA-30's?

Thanks,

TL

Time to upgrade my fronts!

If you had the choice, and were going to use them for HT almost 100% of the time, would you get Studio 100 V4's, or Studio 60 V5's for about $300 less?

Some background:

Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR876

10 year old Paradigm Reference for other speakers.

(center: LCR-450a, surrounds: ADP-450, sub: PW-2200)

Room: 11x16 (but it's not like I'll never be moving).

Thanks! Its not the power I am concerned with it is the overall quality of the amp vs the speakers. Anyway, I ordered the Studio 20s, couldnt resist the deal I got. Thanks for the feed back. Do you have them?

Just got done setting up my fronts Studio 20s v.5 center CC-490 v.5 & AVR Pioneer SC-05, all an up grade from 1991. The SC-05 drives the Studio 20s great I haven't got past -5db on the volume. Just to let you know the quality IMHO is great. I also had the chance to demo the Denon 3808i vs Pioneer SC-05 A-B side by side through the studio 20s v.5. I have been a Pioneer guy since 1991 and liked the Pioneer better it was better on the top end to my ears that is the way I like my music & movies a little brighter than most people. But you have to listen to hear what you like.

Time to upgrade my fronts!

If you had the choice, and were going to use them for HT almost 100% of the time, would you get Studio 100 V4's, or Studio 60 V5's for about $300 less?

Some background:

Receiver: Onkyo TX-SR876

10 year old Paradigm Reference for other speakers.

(center: LCR-450a, surrounds: ADP-450, sub: PW-2200)

Room: 11x16 (but it's not like I'll never be moving).

I upgraded from 60s to 100s because I liked how the 100s sounded better with music, and I didn't want to wonder "what I was missing". Well, it turns out I'm more like 90% HT / 10% music, and I don't think the extra cost is worth it (provided you have a decent sub, as you do). It can be spent somewhere else more wisely. If you plan on keeping the fronts for 10+ yrs though, then it may be worth getting the 100s.

Hello all,

I just wanted to get some feedback on an issue I am having with this speaker. The small speaker under the tweeter (tweeter mid?) is vibrating quite a bit when the volume is loud and it has a noticeable effect on the sound (shrill).

I unplugged the speaker wire and plugged it into my Studio 100 V.4 and it sounds perfect. I went to Paradigm (I live close) and switched the tweeter mid - but still the same issue.

Perhaps it is the crossover sending to much sound to the one speaker? Anyway if you have a CC-690 (or similar) and LOTR extended edition perhaps you can test these two parts for me and see if you have issues also. I am powering them with an Adcom GFA-7700.

LOTREE Fellowship 1:15:50 (young boy with high voice singing)
LOTREE Two Towers First Disk (Ent talking 58:14)

The above are when the issue is really obvious - once I noticed it though I see the defect in a lot of areas in movies. Anyway let me know your thoughts, thanks.

Hello all,

I just wanted to get some feedback on an issue I am having with this speaker. The small speaker under the tweeter (tweeter mid?) is vibrating quite a bit when the volume is loud and it has a noticeable effect on the sound (shrill).

I unplugged the speaker wire and plugged it into my Studio 100 V.4 and it sounds perfect. I went to Paradigm (I live close) and switched the tweeter mid - but still the same issue.


I'm having a similar issue with my CC690 v.4. My small mid-bass underneath the tweeter at times sounds muddy/shrilly/statically. I only notice the problem with dialogue on Blu-ray movies. It most prevalent with deeper voices. I took the mid-bass / tweeter section out and noted the part number 2010xxxxxxx and called my dealer. Paradigm is sending a replacement part. I'm not sure if this part number is for the entire center section or just the mid-bass, since only one part number is on it.

Did you switch just the mid-bass section? If so, how does the mid-bass detach from the center mounting piece, it appears the speaker is stuck onto it.

That was a quick reply and an ominous one.

I had the entire section replaced - tweeter and tweeter mid. You are right I think the mid tweeter is stuck to it and cannot be removed. Anyway the replacement did not help at all.

It isn't just deep voices - very high voices will do it also. I don't think this little tweeter mid can withstand a lot of volume to be honest. I could be wrong as I am sure a lot of people would have noticed.

It's rather bizarre.

That was a quick reply and an ominous one.

I had the entire section replaced - tweeter and tweeter mid. You are right I think the mid tweeter is stuck to it and cannot be removed. Anyway the replacement did not help at all.

It isn't just deep voices - very high voices will do it also. I don't think this little tweeter mid can withstand a lot of volume to be honest. I could be wrong as I am sure a lot of people would have noticed.

It's rather bizarre.You said you lived close to Paradigm. I'd go back and haven't it changed again, and see if they have an amp/dvd player so they can listen to the problem. If not, bring your own equipment. The CC690 costs too much to have vibration issues. Mine doesn't have any problems, no matter what volume.

My issue is a little different from yours than, since I can only hear it with certain dialogue. High voices sound fine. In fact, I have no issues when watching the local news and I haven't noticed it while watching Directv programming.

I'm hoping the replacement part will fix it and its not something like the crossover. My issue appears to be isolated to the mid-bass driver, since the highs produced are pristine. Maybe, your crossover isn't separating the highs from the mids properly? Did you check the wiring inside your CC690?

I just received my brand new CC690 last week replaced a CC590. My former CC590 was excellent with no problems. Our situation is most likely isolated incidents.

Hey Warp!!!

okay.. now the question..

one of my ADP-590s is acting up. The subwoofer sounds weird with certain frequencies. It is the only one that is doing it. How can you tell if the woofer is blown. What other problems could be causing it. If I contact Paradigm, what would I tell them.

Thanks

when the receiver is on, and sending a minimal signal you can press gently on the driver, if it give a scratching feeling feedback to your pressing in on it it may be a problem.

Also you can send receiver generated tones to the speaker and go back and forth to different speakers, it will make an odd sound compared to the other speakers. Thats how I found one of my bad drivers... :)

If you plan on keeping the fronts for 10+ yrs though, then it may be worth getting the 100s.

D'oh!

You had me convinced to go with the 60's, then you throw THAT in there.. LOL

Why would having the 100's for an extended period make the difference?

If the 60's are a better fit for HT with a sub now (spending the extra dough on a better center channel, maybe), what changes in 10+ years?

Has anyone got this for a 7.2 set-up?


L & R: Signature Reference S8 v2

C: Signature Reference C5 v2

SL & SR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SBL & SBR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SW1 & SW2: Signature Servo


This would make for a fantastic set-up. :) I would love to hear impressions of this system.

Mine doesn't have any problems, no matter what volume.

Ok great.

I suspect it may be the crossover then. I am going to bring the entire speaker to them and have them sort it out I guess.

Thanks.

Has anyone got this for a 7.2 set-up?


L & R: Signature Reference S8 v2

C: Signature Reference C5 v2

SL & SR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SBL & SBR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SW1 & SW2: Signature Servo


This would make for a fantastic set-up. :) I would love to hear impressions of this system.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find fault with a system like that other than the cost. I can only imagine how much they must cost in Pakistan...


Brian

My issue is a little different from yours than, since I can only hear it with certain dialogue. High voices sound fine. In fact, I have no issues when watching the local news and I haven't noticed it while watching Directv programming.

I'm hoping the replacement part will fix it and its not something like the crossover. My issue appears to be isolated to the mid-bass driver, since the highs produced are pristine. Maybe, your crossover isn't separating the highs from the mids properly? Did you check the wiring inside your CC690?

I just received my brand new CC690 last week replaced a CC590. My former CC590 was excellent with no problems. Our situation is most likely isolated incidents.

Yes I have no issues at all with TV or low level things I watch. It only occurs when I crank the sound for a film.

The extreme highs are fine - they come from the tweeter which has no issues for me. It is all in the one driver. I think you are right and it may be the crossover.

I emailed Paradigm and I will likely give them the whole speaker to look at - I don't want to keep driving back and forth. ;-)

Has anyone got this for a 7.2 set-up?


L & R: Signature Reference S8 v2

C: Signature Reference C5 v2

SL & SR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SBL & SBR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SW1 & SW2: Signature Servo


This would make for a fantastic set-up. :) I would love to hear impressions of this system.


I'd think the only way to make that system sound bad would be installing it too small a room. I have no idea what kind of dealer network Paradigm has in Pakistan to showcase that setup but i have heard it with 4 ADP3's and it impressed me enough to buy most of it. I already have 3 subs so no need for the Signature Servos.

Hello. I hope I'm not veering too far from the discussion, but I have a time sensitive question.

I recently misread an auction on ebay and ended up winning ONE paradigm mini monitor speaker for a total of 85 bucks. I have a pair already and I was planning on matching them for the rear's. I haven't paid for it yet and may still back out of it as the advertising was slightly misleading.

Anyway, I had a thought...maybe i can just go ahead and buy the speaker and use it as a center channel. It is a lot cheaper than going with the CC-370(I think that is the timbre match for the mini monitor v.4's), and it's a gauranteed perfect match, the only thing would be figuring out placement as I don't think it would be wise to set it on it's side.

any suggestions?

I'm going to go with the Studio 60 v.5's to go with my 10 year old LCR-450 center, my ADP-450 dipole surrounds, and my PW-2200 sub.

I would LIKE to upgrade the center channel as well so they match, and hopefully it won't be ANOTHER 10 years..

But is the LCR-450 going to be such a large mismatch?

What would I have to get to get a good match?

The Paradigm site says a Studio cc-690 for the Studio 60's..

But that thing is HUGE!!!!! LOL

Would I be able to get away with a 590, or even a 490??

I'm going to go with the Studio 60 v.5's to go with my 10 year old LCR-450 center, my ADP-450 dipole surrounds, and my PW-2200 sub.

I would LIKE to upgrade the center channel as well so they match, and hopefully it won't be ANOTHER 10 years..

But is the LCR-450 going to be such a large mismatch?

What would I have to get to get a good match?

The Paradigm site says a Studio cc-690 for the Studio 60's..

But that thing is HUGE!!!!! LOL

Would I be able to get away with a 590, or even a 490??
590 will work fine.

590 will work fine.

Ok, good to know, thanks!

Like I say, hopefully it won't take me ANOTHER 10 years to upgrade THAT.. :)

Could I use the old LCR-450 then as a rear channel at that point (6.1)?

Wait, can you even DO 6.1?

I ordered my new Paradigm system yesterday, all are Studio v.5 and in Rosenut:

Mains - 100s
Center - CC-690
Rears - Esprit

I will be running a pair of JL Audio Fathom 113s with that set up (currently have 1, will order another)

This system will be replacing my previous speakers system that consisted of:

Mains - Martin Logan Ascents
Center - Martin Logan Stage
Rears - Martin Logan Scripts
Sub - Martin Logan Descent

I'll looking forward to the new sound.


Anyone else use the Esprit wall mountable speakers for rears??? Thoughts?

Ok, good to know, thanks!

Like I say, hopefully it won't take me ANOTHER 10 years to upgrade THAT.. :)

Could I use the old LCR-450 then as a rear channel at that point (6.1)?

Wait, can you even DO 6.1?

That can only be answered by you and your ears but the limited info in a few
6.1 ch was not all that demanding.

Looking for replacement woofer / mid for Paradigm Export Monitor. Original driver stamped with this model name and number 911. Cone is deformed due to owners attempt to reglue surround with shoe goo. I have cleaned and reglued but am concerned re travel due to cones warped edge and resulting imperfect contact with surround. Any leads on a source for a replacment driver?

Barry

Has anyone got this for a 7.2 set-up?


L & R: Signature Reference S8 v2

C: Signature Reference C5 v2

SL & SR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SBL & SBR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SW1 & SW2: Signature Servo


This would make for a fantastic set-up. :) I would love to hear impressions of this system.

Obviously all great speakers, but some feedback:

1) Often people prefer ADP's for the sides, since that type of sound is sometimes preferable on the sides (not the rears)

2) S4 for the rears are probably overpowered. S2's should be enough for nearly all rooms.

3) The subs are really not worth it. You can get much better subs that perform much better for less (or similar) money. Take a look at the boards here for lots of strong recommendations.

Thanks for your suggestions guys. All feedback is appreciated. :)

Hello all,

I just wanted to get some feedback on an issue I am having with this speaker. The small speaker under the tweeter (tweeter mid?) is vibrating quite a bit when the volume is loud and it has a noticeable effect on the sound (shrill).

I unplugged the speaker wire and plugged it into my Studio 100 V.4 and it sounds perfect. I went to Paradigm (I live close) and switched the tweeter mid - but still the same issue.

Perhaps it is the crossover sending to much sound to the one speaker? Anyway if you have a CC-690 (or similar) and LOTR extended edition perhaps you can test these two parts for me and see if you have issues also. I am powering them with an Adcom GFA-7700.

LOTREE Fellowship 1:15:50 (young boy with high voice singing)
LOTREE Two Towers First Disk (Ent talking 58:14)

The above are when the issue is really obvious - once I noticed it though I see the defect in a lot of areas in movies. Anyway let me know your thoughts, thanks.


Tested on a cc-690 / Denon 4308ci / Emotiva XPA-5 and nothing is wrong with the treant voice at 95db. btw the footsteps rock the house!

I feel your pain, I had a failed midrange driver on my 100 v4's purchased in January. The replacement driver that Paradigm shipped also had a visible manufacturing defect, so it took around a month to get it fixed for good....

I currently have a Klipsch Refernce set up. I have rf-63, RC-64 and rs-62. My amps are Emotiva XPA-2 and XPA-5. I have an Integra 9.9

My sub is Klipsch RT-12D

I was thinking of switching to Paradigm speakers. Would they sound different than the Klipsch. The Klipsch sound thin. The mid range is in your face and there is almost no bottom end.

I was considering either Studio 100's vs Signatures. What is the difference between the two lines?

Has anyone got this for a 7.2 set-up?


L & R: Signature Reference S8 v2

C: Signature Reference C5 v2

SL & SR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SBL & SBR: Signature Reference S4 v2

SW1 & SW2: Signature Servo


This would make for a fantastic set-up. :) I would love to hear impressions of this system.

Obviously all great speakers, but some feedback:

1) Often people prefer ADP's for the sides, since that type of sound is sometimes preferable on the sides (not the rears)

2) S4 for the rears are probably overpowered. S2's should be enough for nearly all rooms.

3) The subs are really not worth it. You can get much better subs that perform much better for less (or similar) money. Take a look at the boards here for lots of strong recommendations.


I'll second all of the comments above... That is a killer system, and the Sigs will be my next purchase.

What size is your room - dimensions? If your room is large enough you can go with S2's for all your surrounds. Many people go with ADP's for the side surrounds when their room is narrow and can't or don't want to have a large speaker like the S2. If you listen to multichannel audio I would strongly suggest you not getting ADP's as they tend to smear the sound around the room, rather then give you that precise accurate response you want with music.

There is not nearly the same amount of material being put out of the surround speakers as the front 3, so no need to go overkill with them, its just a waste of money ultimately. If you going with all floorstanders and can't make use of speakers on the walls then your plan to have all the speakers you have listed will make a seriously impressive system.

I will again second what mark stated about the Subwoofer, the Servo is nice and has good performance and looks top notch, but it is dated in design and performance. Look at JL Audio (http://home.jlaudio.com/products_pages.php?page_id=2), if money is truly no object, the Gotham line is pretty wicked and will make a enormous statement !!! For good in room performance and acoustic balance look at a pair of subs or more. The Fathom F112 and F113 are fantastic subs both in build quality, performance and looks IMO.

Good luck on your hunt for high end audio the Signatures are exceptional in sound and looks... :D

I currently have a Klipsch Refernce set up. I have rf-63, RC-64 and rs-62. My amps are Emotiva XPA-2 and XPA-5. I have an Integra 9.9

My sub is Klipsch RT-12D

I was thinking of switching to Paradigm speakers. Would they sound different than the Klipsch. The Klipsch sound thin. The mid range is in your face and there is almost no bottom end.

I was considering either Studio 100's vs Signatures. What is the difference between the two lines?

I currently have a Klipsch Refernce set up. I have rf-63, RC-64 and rs-62. My amps are Emotiva XPA-2 and XPA-5. I have an Integra 9.9

My sub is Klipsch RT-12D

I was thinking of switching to Paradigm speakers. Would they sound different than the Klipsch. The Klipsch sound thin. The mid range is in your face and there is almost no bottom end.

I was considering either Studio 100's vs Signatures. What is the difference between the two lines?


Budget?

The Sigs take everything to the next and highest level in audio performance, but they come at a price.

Budget is around 10-15K

I think it would be great for you to move up to the Sigs, but if you haven't listened to either the Studio's or the Sigs yet, it would be hard to make a suggestion as to how they would sound to you. Get out and Audition as many speakers in your budget to get a feel for whats available to you..... There are tons of products in your price range, but auditioning is an important part of finding the speaker that is right for you...

Its like marrying a woman without ever meeting her first.... YMMV !!! :D

Paradigm Studio Esprit v.5 wall mountable speakers.

These are listed on Paradigms website as "Fronts", but I'm going to be using them as rears. They are priced in between the 60s and 100s.

Do any of you have these speakers? Maybe using them as rears also? Impressions?

Thank you!

There is no reason why these cannot be used as surrounds. Direct radiating speakers are actually preferred, specifically for mch music. For the HT use, many prefer di/bipole surrounds.

Noticing a trend? It is all preference!

I personally don't prefer DiPole speakers over direct for HT usage, but not everyone has the room for sometimes large bookshelf speakers hanging off a wall, with that said, I do run ADP-590's in one of my setups for side surrounds and they are pretty good. My other setup I use Studio 20's for side surround, but they are over 10ft away and provide and exceptionally immersive experience, and to me are more articulate rather then blurring or smearing the sound around the room...

I was looking at the esprit for rear surround quite heavily, but my layout is strange, so I'm going with sealed aimable In-Wall, its just the only thing that will work for me.

I understand your frustration, as there is little to no info out there for the Esprits.... If your using them for surround duty, I'm sure they will be just fine if not overkill... the are big :)

Warpdrv,

Thanks for the post. That does make me feel better. Regarding the size....it's all relative. While the Esprits may be a bit large, they are significantly smaller than my previous rear speakers (Martin Logan Scripts). My only concern is that they won't be able to be angled in enough as my seating is only about 24" away from the rear wall.

That is also a problem that I have, too close and weird back wall is a V shape.

Have you considered inwalls? Make sure they are sealed box if inwalls apply.

I am ending up looking towards something like this (http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=In-wall/In-Ceiling%20Speakers&productid=UIW%20RCS%20II)..... I need an angular type approach, that will direct the sound, and with them only being rear surrounds I was not as concerned with them matching perfectly.... YMMV

I just gut studio 60 V.5 and cc-590 and at times it seems that center over powering the 60s. Now wondering if should have gone for 490? I didn't have a chance to listen prior to purchasing. Any thought?

I just gut studio 60 V.5 and cc-590 and at times it seems that center over powering the 60s. Now wondering if should have gone for 490? I didn't have a chance to listen prior to purchasing. Any thought?

Have you run any sort of RoomEQ to normalize everything? What AVR/pre-pro are you using?

Rotel 1057 reciever and 1080 200x2 amp for the front. I can adjust the volume of each speaker and 590 has to be lower.

Then set it lower, you need a SPL meter from radio shack and should have all front three speakers at the same level with white noise test tones if your receiver has them.

Otherwise get some from a download and play them with a CD, I assume it doesn't have an auto setup with a mic...? sorry I am unfamiliar with your Rotel, though they make nice sounding units...

It just has the test tone and I can adjust the volume that way, but I'm just wondering if it would better be matched by 490 or another 60?

It just has the test tone and I can adjust the volume that way, but I'm just wondering if it would better be matched by 490 or another 60?

If you can use another 60 that would be ideal. Otherwise I think you should stick with the 590.

Hello, Fellow Paradigm lovers! I just wanted to share with everybody
my most recent purchase.I got a little chump change back from
Mr. Obama and decided that I should stimulate the economy!
I decided that my covered patio speakers "needed" to be replaced.
I checked out the paradigm website and found that they sell
outdoor speakers. They have about 6 different models.

I decided on the model Stylus#270 which go for about $370 list.
Checked with my local dealer and he had them in stock.I asked him
for a 10% discount and he replied that he could do better than that.
He told me that this was his last pair of 270's,but he had 4 pairs
of the model #470 that he needed to move.I got them for $470!

I set them up the next morning and I am very impressed.
Great sound, boy the neighbors are not going to be happy:p

It just has the test tone and I can adjust the volume that way, but I'm just wondering if it would better be matched by 490 or another 60?

If you have not level matched with a SPL meter like Warpdrv suggested, then getting another CC would be moot as the 590 is an excellent match for the Studio 60's.

How are your front three set up? Have you tried toeing in the 60's a bit to narrow the soundstage?

It might even be a room problem.....do you have any pics?

If you have not level matched with a SPL meter like Warpdrv suggested, then getting another CC would be moot as the 590 is an excellent match for the Studio 60's.

How are your front three set up? Have you tried toeing in the 60's a bit to narrow the soundstage?

It might even be a room problem.....do you have any pics?

Ditto.

Set up is key. Take your time and play with different placement of the 60s until you get an SLP meter.

I have studio 100's v5 cc690 and adp 590's that I am using as side surrounds.
I want to add rear channel speakers. I am looking for something small. I have thought about using studio 10's or maybe even atoms for the rear, but I am hoping to find something smaller. I do not have a rear wall so I would put a mount on the ceiling and angle the speakers, thats why I dont want anything too large.

My question would be: If I go and get a different brand of speakers will I comprimise the sound of my system, or will it not even be a factor since they are rear surround speakers.

Your knowledge and thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks
Brian

I have studio 100's v5 cc690 and adp 590's that I am using as side surrounds.
I want to add rear channel speakers. I am looking for something small. I have thought about using studio 10's or maybe even atoms for the rear, but I am hoping to find something smaller. I do not have a rear wall so I would put a mount on the ceiling and angle the speakers, thats why I dont want anything too large.

My question would be: If I go and get a different brand of speakers will I comprimise the sound of my system, or will it not even be a factor since they are rear surround speakers.

Your knowledge and thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks
Brian


It might be possible, but I'd be surprised if you find anything smaller than the 10s/Atoms (of any brand) that you will get to sound satisfactory when compared to the 100s. Paradigm's Cinema series are decent small speakers, but I'm not sure they can hold their own in a great setup like yours.

Have you thought about in ceiling speakers?

SVS SBS-01's are nice speakers for rears. Will save some money and can hold their own

I did originally think of in celing but I didnt think I would get that direct sound.

I saw the svs speakers. I do have the svs ultra 13 sub.

would something like a htd midday be a bad choice? It seems very compact

got a little chump change back from
Mr. Obama and decided that I should stimulate the economy!

Wrong economy, Grasshopper! The Paradigms are Canadian...;);)
j/k...
You did buy them here in the states though... right? :D

I have studio 100's v5 cc690 and adp 590's that I am using as side surrounds.
I want to add rear channel speakers. I am looking for something small. I have thought about using studio 10's or maybe even atoms for the rear, but I am hoping to find something smaller.

I wanted to upgrade to 7.1 as well (have 20's for side) and went to audition some speakers. I was thinking Studio 10's but started with the V6 Atoms.

I couldnt believe how those little speakers sounded on their own.....I had to check to see if one of the subs was kicking in (nope) and it wasnt one the larger monitor series that was switched on by mistake.

You really have to hear them and based on the price and for where they were going to be situated, it was a no-brainer for me.

Quick question about the Studio 20 v3- Are they predrilled on the base for mounts?

Quick question about the Studio 20 v3- Are they predrilled on the base for mounts?

Yes.... all speakers that are stand mountable from Paradigm have threaded holes in the bottom to mate with THEIR stands, but you can make them work for any stand if you have to modify the stand

Tested on a cc-690 / Denon 4308ci / Emotiva XPA-5 and nothing is wrong with the treant voice at 95db. btw the footsteps rock the house!

I feel your pain, I had a failed midrange driver on my 100 v4's purchased in January. The replacement driver that Paradigm shipped also had a visible manufacturing defect, so it took around a month to get it fixed for good....

Thanks for checking.

I took the entire center speaker in. They checked it out and said it was an issue with glueing in the actual mid speaker. From the sound of things it isn't entirely isolated - they only had it one day and found the problem really quick.

Anyway all is well (I hope) I will go back and pick the speaker up Friday. FWIW Paradigm is very good with me - I am lucky to live so close. I had a 20 year old speaker (before my current ones) and the tweeter blew. I went there on my way to work and they just handed me a new one at no cost. It was then I said to myself - I will continue with Paradigm for my next set of speakers. ;-)

Thanks for checking.

I took the entire center speaker in. They checked it out and said it was an issue with glueing in the actual mid speaker. From the sound of things it isn't entirely isolated - they only had it one day and found the problem really quick.

Anyway all is well (I hope) I will go back and pick the speaker up Friday. FWIW Paradigm is very good with me - I am lucky to live so close. I had a 20 year old speaker (before my current ones) and the tweeter blew. I went there on my way to work and they just handed me a new one at no cost. It was then I said to myself - I will continue with Paradigm for my next set of speakers. ;-)

So it ended being one of the two larger mids versus the smaller mid in the center?

So what side surrounds would be better in a rectagular room with no wall at the back(opens directly to the kitchen), the adp-590's or the studio 20's?

The system I am currently looking at is a 5.1

Studio 100 fronts
Studio 690 CC
Side surrounds ?

I was using direct speakers in that setup for awhile, it worked fine in my opinion, also had a feeling the adps would be firing sound into the "kitchen" area or open space which could cause delayed sound return or echo. I don't know how adp would do in that setup but I found direct worked well.

Yes.... all speakers that are stand mountable from Paradigm have threaded holes in the bottom to mate with THEIR stands, but you can make them work for any stand if you have to modify the stand
Thanks! That must have started with the v3 series, because the v2 are not predrilled for stands.

has any one heard that paradigm is back ordered on the rosenut series ? studio 100 's cc690 adp 590 sub 15 . i have been waiting , paid in full , for almost a month ! the sales person is very nice and did me right on the price . i am suppose to hear from a paradigm rep today so he can comprize me of the situation . do you think it is worth asking for a further discount ? i also ordered mca 50 avm 50 ect... very frustrated . thanks bert

has any one heard that paradigm is back ordered on the rosenut series ? studio 100 's cc690 adp 590 sub 15 . i have been waiting , paid in full , for almost a month ! the sales person is very nice and did me right on the price . i am suppose to hear from a paradigm rep today so he can comprize me of the situation . do you think it is worth asking for a further discount ? i also ordered mca 50 avm 50 ect... very frustrated . thanks bert

Hmm...I ordered 100s, 690, and Esprits in rosenut last Thursday and my dealer is supposed to get them in this week. I'll have to call and confirm that's still the case.

Hmm...I ordered 100s, 690, and Esprits in rosenut last Thursday and my dealer is supposed to get them in this week. I'll have to call and confirm that's still the case.

Hi,

Congratulations! I love the Paradigm Studio 100s latest versions and also the Esprits. Rosenut is very nice looking too and mucho stricking. :)

Let us know of your pleasure of satisfaction after you set them up.

Cheers,

_______
Bob

I couldnt believe how those little speakers sounded on their own.....I had to check to see if one of the subs was kicking in (nope) and it wasnt one the larger monitor series that was switched on by mistake.


I did the exact same thing with my dealer when I heard the v5 Atoms. I actually made them check twice.

Does anybody have their center channel CC-690 tilted slightly upwards to point to ear level. I plan to have my 690 around 1 1/2 feet from the ground level and want it raised in the front so that it points to the ear level of the listeners when seated. Or is it okay to just keep it flat? Which way would sound better?

malcolmp6, I had mine tilted up even when I have the Plasma sitting on it...

mine was a good distance so it was much, but thats why they have the adjustable feet on them... go for it..

Does anybody have their center channel CC-690 tilted slightly upwards to point to ear level. I plan to have my 690 around 1 1/2 feet from the ground level and want it raised in the front so that it points to the ear level of the listeners when seated. Or is it okay to just keep it flat? Which way would sound better?
My CC-570 center is only 15" from the ground, it's tilted up using the adjustable feet.

A quick search pulled up this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15754925#post15754925

I recently purchased a pair of Monitor 7's and a cc-290 for my basement theater. Both are version 6. My theater is rectangular shaped with walls on every side, it has a horizontal-type layout. It is a 2500 cu. ft. area. I need to get some surround speakers for the sides. The surrounds would be about 10 to each side of the viewing area. Unfortunately, I had to put the surrounds about a foot or so in FRONT of the seating position. There is a door on one side and a large window on the other. Should I go with the bipole/dipole approach or directs? I would appreciate any advice.

Does anybody have their center channel CC-690 tilted slightly upwards to point to ear level. I plan to have my 690 around 1 1/2 feet from the ground level and want it raised in the front so that it points to the ear level of the listeners when seated. Or is it okay to just keep it flat? Which way would sound better?



Although there hasn't as yet been any published reviews I'm aware of for the CC-690's frequency response it's nearly identical to the C5 in both physical size/driver layout/ and crossover points. Based on the results Ultimate A/V shows in their review of the C5 I'd think you would only benefit by aiming the tweeter at or above your ears.
http://ultimateavmag.com/speakersystems/408parref/index6.html


To hear the smoothest imaging across the front soundstage the goal should always be to place the midrange/tweeters at the same height off the floor. Of course this is nearly always impractical in the real world, especially with a huge center speaker, but nonetheless should always be the goal. For tweakers looking for a tool to help extract the most from their systems in this area I reccommend finding a cd with the LEDR test on it. More info can be found here.
http://www.stereophile.com/features/772/

What's the price of the signature s1?

I recently purchased a pair of Monitor 7's and a cc-290 for my basement theater. Both are version 6. My theater is rectangular shaped with walls on every side, it has a horizontal-type layout. It is a 2500 cu. ft. area. I need to get some surround speakers for the sides. The surrounds would be about 10 to each side of the viewing area. Unfortunately, I had to put the surrounds about a foot or so in FRONT of the seating position. There is a door on one side and a large window on the other. Should I go with the bipole/dipole approach or directs? I would appreciate any advice.


At 10' away you are at a distance where direct begins to not draw too much attention to itself, meaning they could work fine. Based on personal experience with both types of speakers at 12' away and again assuming you're mostly HT and not big into DVD-A or discrete music surround and these are your only surrounds, I'd go with some ADP's for a better effect. Having 4 real walls in your room will definately help the ADP's do their thing as they were designed to do. At 10' away I wouldn't sweat them being a foot forward your position, but if I could choose I'd prefer them 1 ' behind me. :p

Why not borrow both types from your friendly neighborhood dealer and decide for yourself? I'm sure he'd understand and happily grant that request.

What does MAXIMUM INPUT POWER vs. SUITABLE AMPLIFIER POWER RANGE mean?

For example:

Studio 100s...

Max Input Power = 230w
Suitable Amp Power Range = 15-350w

Just wondering so I can decide on a proper amp.

Thanks!

I wouldn't worry to much about overpowering them...

As long as you have a decent amp, it really doesn't make a huge amount of difference.

I'm running 500w @ 8ohm - 1000 @ 4ohm IcePower amp which yields me a couple extra decibels but thats about it... I'm sure that my amp barely idles most of the time.

Buy quality it will last you a long time to come...

Warp,

Thanks...what do you think of the Emotivas? I am leaning towards the XPA-5, but others have suggested the XPA-3 being more than suitable for me.

I have the Studio 100 FRONTS, Studio 20 REARS and Millenia 20 CENTER for now with the Yamaha RX-V3900 AVR. I plan on upgrading to the CC-690 CENTER eventually (1-2 years) and adding ADP-590 SIDES at that time.

So it ended being one of the two larger mids versus the smaller mid in the center?

No it was the smaller mid in the center. I was unlucky and had two bad ones in a row. :eek:

What does MAXIMUM INPUT POWER vs. SUITABLE AMPLIFIER POWER RANGE mean?

For example:

Studio 100s...

Max Input Power = 230w
Suitable Amp Power Range = 15-350w

Just wondering so I can decide on a proper amp.

Thanks!

This still confuses me too. Maybe Max Input power is max RMS you should actually feed it, and the 350W is the max peak power you should be running. However, I've heard from quite a few people that you can run an amp with noticeably higher power ratings tha what the speakers are rated for, as long as you don't go crazy with the volume, and listen at or near (or over! :eek: ) reference levels for a long time.

It's a bit tricky but the Max value is the limit paradigm recommends you power these speakers (saying if you put this much power they might blow or to be safe are getting close to a dangerous level).

The recommended Power Amp rating just recommends what kind of power amp values support this speaker well. If you go larger then the recommended amp power level it wont cause any problems, the issue is your amp has more power then your speakers can handle and you push it too far it will blow the speaker (and most likely your ears will hurt before this point).

If you have less then the recommended value when you really want to drive these speakers louder, your amp may not have sufficient power to get the volume you are looking for, this causes clipping. Clipping will damage your speakers, just as much as too much power can.

Got a price today from my dealer of $4800 for this system is this a good price?

Studio 100's
Studio 690cc
Studio adp590's

All V.5's

No sub yet, kinda leaning towards the SVS ultra 13 instead of the new Sub 15 considering I have a 80% HT 20% music need.

It is a bit high. You could probably get to $4500 or under.

That's what I thought, I'm going to go back on Monday and tell him to bring it down under $4500 CAD or I'm buying them out of town instead

Where are you located?

Thunder Bay, Ontario

So I'm guessing you're dealing with Power Center eh? I grew up there, and they have really bad sales people, I was looking for a TV for my parents over Christmas, I needed a TV with a Matte screen because my parents have big windows in their living room, so they kept telling me the high gloss is better because the picture will be clearer. I don't waste my time with sales people anymore, do my own research and name a price, if they don't match, walk away.

Yup it's the Power Center and I absolutely hate the effin place but I'm just starting to check into other dealers elsewhere so I should end up purchasing from someone else...lol!


So I'm guessing you're dealing with Power Center eh? I grew up there, and they have really bad sales people, I was looking for a TV for my parents over Christmas, I needed a TV with a Matte screen because my parents have big windows in their living room, so they kept telling me the high gloss is better because the picture will be clearer. I don't waste my time with sales people anymore, do my own research and name a price, if they don't match, walk away.

Yup it's the Power Center and I absolutely hate the effin place but I'm just starting to check into other dealers elsewhere so I should end up purchasing from someone else...lol!


Do you mind to let me know how much you paid for a pair studio 100 v5 ? I'm thinking about getting them too. I'm located in Ottawa.

thanks

DO YOU GUYS KNOW what the difference is between the v.1 and v.2 of the older studio line? I have a chance to buy a pair of studio 60's v.2, and use one for the center channel, but my whole system is v.1. ANYBODY????

You might check with Gibbys in St. Catherines, ON.

Not sure if they will be able to give you enough of a good deal - but they deliver out of town.

I have a guy I dealt with near Toronto that would give you great prices...just not sure if he can deliver. PM me if you need the name.

GL

Yup it's the Power Center and I absolutely hate the effin place but I'm just starting to check into other dealers elsewhere so I should end up purchasing from someone else...lol!

I can get the studio 100's for $2600, Thats a fair price in my book.

Here in Calgary at one of my preferred HT stores (Sounds of Music) they were clearing out their V.4's at 30% off. It's sad that you have to deal with only the Power Center, it might be worth considering Duluth MN, Paradigm's website shows that D.A.D.S Electronics carry them, I would give them a call and it might be a better deal after exchange rate and boarder crossing, hell they could probably ship them to Riden's boarder store as well.

Also I'm not on Studio's yet, still riding it out with my Titans, but I noticed you mentioned Subs, I have a PDR 10, and I've listened to quite a few high end Paradigm subs and still I think for the money your better off getting an SVS or something similar, thats actually my next purchase, SVS Sub (probably Cylinder) and then a Power amp (thinking Emotiva).

My Plan...

Well, after quite a bit of contemplation, listening to opinions, and research...here are my plans:

I have...

Yamaha RX-V3900 (rated 140w/channel)
Paradigm Studio 100s v4 (fronts) - rated at 15-350w / max inp. power - 230w
Paradigm Studio 20s v4 (rears) - rated at 15-180w / max inp. power - 110w
Paradigm Millenia 20 (center) - rated at 15-150w / max inp. power - 110w

...for a solid 5.1 system

I have decided to add...

The Emotiva XPA-5. It is rated at 200w/5ch, 250w/3ch, 275w/2ch.

When I get the amp, I will let it drive ONLY the Studio 100 Fronts at 275w/ch. I will let the Yamaha drive the center and rears.

Eventually, I will...

- add the Paradigm CC-690 center and let the Emotiva XPA-5 drive the fronts and the center at 250w/ch.

- add Paradigm ADP-590 sides and let the Yamaha drive the rears and the sides

Finally, I will...

- use the Millenia 20 center as the start of a backup system.
- upgrade my sub and use my current Paradigm DSP3400 as the sub for the backup system
- may even upgrade the rears and use the Studio 20s as the fronts for the backup system and maybe get Studio 60s to be the rears for the primary system, at which point I may upgrade the sides as well and add the XPA-2 to drive the Studio 100s and use the XPA-5 to drive the Studio 60s, CC-690 and sides (whatever they may be at that time.
- I can then upgrade to the newest receiver at that time or get a pre-pro for the main system.

Results - eventually

System 1 - 7.1


Pre-pro (yet to be determined)
Studio 100s - fronts
Studio 60s (rears)
CC-690 (center)
Yet to be determined (sides)
Powered by the XPA-2 (fronts) and XPA-5 (rears, sides, center)
Sub (yet to be determined)


System 2 - 5.1


Yamaha RX-V3900
Studio 20s - fronts
Millenia 20 - center
ADP590s - Surrounds
DSP-3400 -sub


So, the next step is the XPA-5...thanks for all the advice!

Any comments?

Cool I'll send you a PM for the name near Toronto, I have a friend that lives in Welland and we are going to visit!



You might check with Gibbys in St. Catherines, ON.

Not sure if they will be able to give you enough of a good deal - but they deliver out of town.

I have a guy I dealt with near Toronto that would give you great prices...just not sure if he can deliver. PM me if you need the name.

GL

Funny that you mentioned them, I was just in Duluth and Minneapolis visiting a friend and that's where I auditioned the new 100's. With the exchange the way it is and including travel expenses plus Canadian taxes I don't think they could give them to me cheap enough. I did ask for a price from Hi-Fi Stereo in Minny but he wouldn't give me one....lol!

Here in Calgary at one of my preferred HT stores (Sounds of Music) they were clearing out their V.4's at 30% off. It's sad that you have to deal with only the Power Center, it might be worth considering Duluth MN, Paradigm's website shows that D.A.D.S Electronics carry them, I would give them a call and it might be a better deal after exchange rate and boarder crossing, hell they could probably ship them to Riden's boarder store as well.

Also I'm not on Studio's yet, still riding it out with my Titans, but I noticed you mentioned Subs, I have a PDR 10, and I've listened to quite a few high end Paradigm subs and still I think for the money your better off getting an SVS or something similar, thats actually my next purchase, SVS Sub (probably Cylinder) and then a Power amp (thinking Emotiva).

Hey,

Responded to your PM.

The guy is really good - he doesn't beat around the bush and can order anything you need from Paradigm.

GL

Cool I'll send you a PM for the name near Toronto, I have a friend that lives in Welland and we are going to visit!

Is it true that you can place a fairly large flat panel TV on the CC-390? I have a 52" Samsung LN52A650 that weighs about 77 lbs - can I put that baby atop the center channel? Am I testing its limits with this amount of weight? Anyone else doing this?

Is it true that you can place a fairly large flat panel TV on the CC-390? I have a 52" Samsung LN52A650 that weighs about 77 lbs - can I put that baby atop the center channel? Am I testing its limits with this amount of weight? Anyone else doing this?

Earlier in this thread WarpDrv had a post showing a pic of his setup and it was exactly that. I his is a studio which would make me much more apprehensive about doing that, so I think it should be fine.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15442132#post15442132

***Edit***
After looking closer I think those are Signatures. Wow, I don't know if I could feel comfortable putting my TV on that much money.

Mine are Studio's, and the 690 .v4 supported the weight of my 100lb 50" Plasma no problem for over 2 years. I just upgraded my TV to a 65" Plasma and I wasn't about to test that theory or the limits with that monster weighing in at over 200lbs...

I built a deck to go over the top of the 690 and support the TV, I'm staining and finishing right now, I'll post a better pic of it later...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2536.jpg

Thanks. I'm hoping the cc-390s are built as well.

Warpdrv, your deck looks nice, I built a similar box/deck which holds my 690 using MDF wood. I too did not want to risk putting my XBR5 on top of the speaker.

Warp,

What are those two monsters sitting in there, are they 15's.

Mine are Studio's, and the 690 .v4 supported the weight of my 100lb 50" Plasma no problem for over 2 years. I just upgraded my TV to a 65" Plasma and I wasn't about to test that theory or the limits with that monster weighing in at over 200lbs...

I built a deck to go over the top of the 690 and support the TV, I'm staining and finishing right now, I'll post a better pic of it later...
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2536.jpg

The acoustics in there must be tough to manage! You're going to spend about 300 hours tuning your room once April 17th hits...

You are right Mark, I'm slowly working on it.... carpet is on the way, for the main seating area and beyond, and more acoustic panels, even ones for the ceiling to kill some of the echo, but I am slowly working on it... It is a bright room - and I will make it happen and work with it the best I can... Which is another reason I am going for the D2v to help me out with the difficulties... When It comes to bass I get extremely smooth response in here, with very little EQ....

shrabok - Those monsters are sealed DIY 18" Maelstrom X's, (just getting things dialed in before I do the finish work on them) and I also have a 15" sealed behind the LP powered right now with 2500w each and they provide me with some incredibly tactile bass response in this ridiculously large room... at this point I am amp limited, but I have 4000w amps on the way, and down the line I'll be upgrading my 18" drivers to the new upcoming 2009 TC-LMS5400's.... "The Best of the Best" those should be way over the top - more then I will ever need...... :D

Those monsters are sealed DIY 18" Maelstrom X's, (just getting things dialed in before I do the finish work on them) and I also have a 15" sealed behind the LP powered right now with 2500w each and they provide me with some incredibly tactile bass response in this ridiculously large room... at this point I am amp limited, but I have 4000w amps on the way, and down the line I'll be upgrading my 18" drivers to the new upcoming 2009 TC-LMS5400's.... "The Best of the Best" those should be way over the top - more then I will ever need...... :D

You are outta control! And I like it...

6th ave is great locally but never mail ordered
I ordered my Monitor 7's from 6th Ave. Great price. Asked to have them shipped to me in California. They said it would take "a couple of days" for one of their retail stores to ship. After 10 days and one ignored email request for a shipping date, I called their CS. The response was they had NOT shipped yet, but "maybe this week". I canceled my order, and purchased locally for $40 more. Very glad to deal with a local firm.

You are right Mark, I'm slowly working on it.... carpet is on the way, for the main seating area and beyond, and more acoustic panels, even ones for the ceiling to kill some of the echo, but I am slowly working on it... It is a bright room - and I will make it happen and work with it the best I can... Which is another reason I am going for the D2v to help me out with the difficulties... When It comes to bass I get extremely smooth response in here, with very little EQ....

shrabok - Those monsters are sealed DIY 18" Maelstrom X's, (just getting things dialed in before I do the finish work on them) and I also have a 15" sealed behind the LP powered right now with 2500w each and they provide me with some incredibly tactile bass response in this ridiculously large room... at this point I am amp limited, but I have 4000w amps on the way, and down the line I'll be upgrading my 18" drivers to the new upcoming 2009 TC-LMS5400's.... "The Best of the Best" those should be way over the top - more then I will ever need...... :D

18" sealed that's crazy (and by crazy I mean CRAZY AWESOME!), how much did it cost in material to put the whole thing (single sub) together, if you don't mind me asking?

18" sealed that's crazy (and by crazy I mean CRAZY AWESOME!), how much did it cost in material to put the whole thing (single sub) together, if you don't mind me asking?

13ply Baltic Birch plywood is about $70. for each box (you can use 3/4" MDF).... figure just shy of $100 for materials... Each Mal-X (http://www.diycable.com/main/product_info.php?products_id=681) driver is just shy of $400.00, I paid less, and you can power them with an EP2500 amp for around $300 or less...

I already had an EQ to boost the low end so less then $800 for each sub, with really fantastic output and SQ equal to my JL F112... and thats saying alot... I measure every sub I have built to the F112, and the Mal-X's sound almost identical with more output (No LIE !!!)...

Here is my inroom response with EQ....
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/speakers/IMG_2483.jpg

My build thread....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1104579

Sealed Mal-X cutsheet (http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n139/its-loud-dude/AVS/Shervins%20Cubes/CutSheet.jpg)

I ordered my Monitor 7's from 6th Ave. Great price. Asked to have them shipped to me in California. They said it would take "a couple of days" for one of their retail stores to ship. After 10 days and one ignored email request for a shipping date, I called their CS. The response was they had NOT shipped yet, but "maybe this week". I canceled my order, and purchased locally for $40 more. Very glad to deal with a local firm.

Good to hear you purchased locally.

For your reference, you should give Sam a call at the 6th Ave. Route 4 store. His customer service is excellent. I was able to purchase the Studio line from him and have my items shipped to CA. The pricing he offered was significantly less than any local retailer in the So Cal area. He made sure my items shipped that day. He also provided his cell phone number just in case I had any questions and couldn't get a hold of him at the store.

I had a problem with one of the drivers on my CC690 and Sam glady ordered a new driver from Paradigm.

KC

did you get your speakers ? i talked to a paradign rep last week , he said paradigm way under anticipated rosenut color , selling more than the other colors , and that was the delay on the 100's .bert

i am wondering has anyone heard a sub 12 , 15 ? and if so what are your thoughts on the unit i have one on the way . thanks bert

i am wondering has anyone heard a sub 12 , 15 ? and if so what are your thoughts on the unit i have one on the way . thanks bert

KC

did you get your speakers ? i talked to a paradign rep last week , he said paradigm way under anticipated rosenut color , selling more than the other colors , and that was the delay on the 100's .bert

Lambert,

No, I am taking delivery of the CC-690 and Esprits today. However, the 100s in Rosenut have not yet shipped to my dealer. I am supposed to get an update today.

To help kill time while I wait for the 100s....I ordered a second JL Audio Fathom f113. :D

Lambert,

No, I am taking delivery of the CC-690 and Esprits today. However, the 100s in Rosenut have not yet shipped to my dealer. I am supposed to get an update today.

To help kill time while I wait for the 100s....I ordered a second JL Audio Fathom f113. :D


Thats the spirit !!!!!!! Double down in times of depression :D

You should be able to use those Esprits for fronts for a bit, though I don't see them keeping up with the 690 being sealed, but I would really like to hear your input on the Esprits...

Your the first I know that have them, if you could take some pics and give us some feedback that would be much appreciated...

Congrats Wolf...

I am also curious about the Esprits...specifically about what speakers they timbre match well with.

When I do my 2nd system, I am wondering if they would go well with the Millenia 20 center either as fronts or rears.

I can't seem to find any pricing of the Esprits - what is their retail?

GL

Thats the spirit !!!!!!! Double down in times of depression :D

You should be able to use those Esprits for fronts for a bit, though I don't see them keeping up with the 690 being sealed, but I would really like to hear your input on the Esprits...

Your the first I know that have them, if you could take some pics and give us some feedback that would be much appreciated...

Congrats Wolf...

By the way, keeping it short and sweet...

I decided on the Emotiva XPA-2 to power the Studio 100s.

I will let my Yamaha 3900 power the center and rears.

Hope I made a good decision! :)

I am also curious about the Esprits...specifically about what speakers they timbre match well with.

When I do my 2nd system, I am wondering if they would go well with the Millenia 20 center either as fronts or rears.

I can't seem to find any pricing of the Esprits - what is their retail?

GL

corpfan1,

Being Studio series speakers, I'm guessing the Esprits would best be matched with the CC590....as they have identical drivers.

The retail price for the Esprits come in between the 60's and 100's. The Esprits go for $1099 each, or $2200 a pair.

Just wondering if anyone knows the price for the Monitor 9 System on the Paradigm Canada website? thx

Lambert,

No, I am taking delivery of the CC-690 and Esprits today. However, the 100s in Rosenut have not yet shipped to my dealer. I am supposed to get an update today.

To help kill time while I wait for the 100s....I ordered a second JL Audio Fathom f113. :D

KC thanks , i was told all my other equiptment is in route cc690 adp590 sub 15 mca 50 . i will be getting a call tomorrow on the 100's . BERT

Not a single person has , or heard , the new sub 12, 15 ? Bert

Warp, what tv did you end up getting? Your setup looks great! (as always!).. those subs are amazing!

Just wondering if anyone knows the price for the Monitor 9 System on the Paradigm Canada website? thx

I know that soundsaround in calgary is selling the Paradigm recommended system Monitor 9 for 2500$ and the Monitor 11 system (which is quite a steal) at 3000$. But thats only as a package, they are much more if purchased separate.

I am thinking of buying the Studio 100 v4 (they are being discounted now that v5 is released). My question is which center to match with it. 690 is too big. Will the 590 work? I feel the 490 is too small for my room (20x18 with vaulted ceilings). The rep at 6th ave tells me that even a Millenia series center will work. I'm not sure about that.

Any advice will be most appreciated

Not a single person has , or heard , the new sub 12, 15 ? Bert


I have a Sub 15 and like it a lot. I live in an apartment so I'm limited in how loud I can play it. I have not yet decided on the best route for sub EQ/calibration but I must have a pretty decent location because the sound is very good with no significant nodes of boominess or weakness.

So, I can't give you a complete evaluation but so far I'm lovin it!


Brian

Warp, what tv did you end up getting? Your setup looks great! (as always!).. those subs are amazing!

Thanks Babel.....

I went with the Panasonic 65" PZ850U, its superb.....

I am thinking of buying the Studio 100 v4 (they are being discounted now that v5 is released). My question is which center to match with it. 690 is too big. Will the 590 work? I feel the 490 is too small for my room (20x18 with vaulted ceilings). The rep at 6th ave tells me that even a Millenia series center will work. I'm not sure about that.

Any advice will be most appreciated

If you can't fit the beast of a 690, the 590 should work fine. I would definitely stay away from the 490 (too small). Just make sure you level match your speakers.

If you can't fit the beast of a 690, the 590 should work fine. I would definitely stay away from the 490 (too small). Just make sure you level match your speakers.
Thanks RodK. Any idea if I can use the Millenia center instead of the 590? That's what the 6th Ave guy has been suggesting

Thanks RodK. Any idea if I can use the Millenia center instead of the 590? That's what the 6th Ave guy has been suggesting

I would not suggest this as a center.... it is not from the same line and used different drivers then the studio line...

You should match the front 3 speakers as best you can for a seemlessly integrated soundstage.

Before I knew any better my first system consisted of a mismatched center to my mains and I struggled to get a good panning effect from left to right or vice versa...

To give you a little perspective with what your proposing....

Think of a Harley moving from the left speaker, when it reaches the center it sounds like a moped, and then back to a harley in the right speaker.... that is not the consistency you are looking to achieve....

I ended up using the Millenia 20 instead of a CC.

It is pretty good - not super.

My dealer says that many more people than most think go with the Millenia because of space issues.

I will upgrade my center to the 690 once I am in a house and can mount my plasma. The Millenia will then become part of a 2nd lower quality system which still blows away any HTIB.

Thanks RodK. Any idea if I can use the Millenia center instead of the 590? That's what the 6th Ave guy has been suggesting

I know that soundsaround in calgary is selling the Paradigm recommended system Monitor 9 for 2500$ and the Monitor 11 system (which is quite a steal) at 3000$. But thats only as a package, they are much more if purchased separate.

Thanks for the info...I will have to check that out for sure!! I was interested in Klipsch but heard that its a bit harsh! I will listen to both!

Just wondering if anyone knows the price for the Monitor 9 System on the Paradigm Canada website? thx

Not sure about the system but I got my pair of monitor 9 for $900 plus tax

I picked up a pair of Studio 60 v4 fronts at a closeout price and am trying figure a center to go with it. I know the CC590 v4 is the recommended match and a CC690 would probably do as well (but it's huge). I will be on the lookout for those, but are there center speakers from other brands that may fit in sonically as well ? What about Axioms VP100s ? Or Aperion 5Cs ?

are there center speakers from other brands that may fit in sonically as well ? What about Axioms VP100s ? Or Aperion 5Cs ?

Best to stick with the same family of speakers, no matter the brand, for best timber matching, etc.

I picked up a pair of Studio 60 v4 fronts at a closeout price and am trying figure a center to go with it. I know the CC590 v4 is the recommended match and a CC690 would probably do as well (but it's huge). I will be on the lookout for those, but are there center speakers from other brands that may fit in sonically as well ? What about Axioms VP100s ? Or Aperion 5Cs ?

Unless you are doing an acoustically transparent screen, and want a matching Studio 60 for the center (ideal), go with the CC-690 v.4

Do not pass "Go," do not collect $20.

I have the CC-690 v.4 and have listened to all the Studio speakers.

Get the CC-690 and don't look back. You will not regret it. It's huge for a reason: Big, clear sound, and the most timbrally matched center you're libel to run across in the Studio line-up.

Don't even think about getting speakers from another manufacturer. Always stick with the same brand and model line for correct timbre matching.

I would love to get some Studio 100 v.5's and move my v.4's to side surround duties (I listen to multi-channel music discs too). They sound the same, but the new Signature-inspired wood veneer box is much better, and heavier. The v.4's and v.5's are virtually sonically the same IMHO. They did beef up the drivers, however, and the Studio v.5's accept more power and can go a bit louder without strain.

Now, if I (or anybody else) added Studio v.6's into the mix of v.4's and v.5's, which will come sooner or later, then they will not sound the same since by then the Signature drivers will have migrated down to the Studio line (whilst the Signatures would get a complete overhaul for v.3).

Funny Dan, I would have expected something from the Signature line to trickle down to the Studio line already by now......

the last time something trickled down it was part of the tweeter, "the dome" only... not the whole tweeter, just the dome of the tweeter... whats up with that...

I agree - I wouldn't do anything but a CC-590, CC-690, or another Studio 60.

Get the CC-690 and don't look back.

+1
I'm running 40's with the 690, and... yeah. It's real nice. I had compared the 590 and the 690, and the 690 just sounded so much better. If you have the room, definitely go with the 690.

Hmm, that's quite a unanimous call for sticking to the same brand and same series of speakers. So there must be something you guys know that I don't. What precisely do you mean by timbre matching - matching the tweeter and midrange characteristics across the fronts and center ? Or is it the use of the same drivers across the three that amounts to them being matched ?

Because it is like wearing a sneaker on one foot, and a shoe and the other.

thanks what other speakers are you running ? what color is the sub ? thanks bert ? you haven't just turned it up to see it flex ?

Funny Dan, I would have expected something from the Signature line to trickle down to the Studio line already by now......

the last time something trickled down it was part of the tweeter, "the dome" only... not the whole tweeter, just the dome of the tweeter... whats up with that...

To do that, they have to improve the Signature line enough to make the difference worth it. Until then, they need to keep the distance between the speakers far enough so us crazy people can justify the additional expense.

Hmm, that's quite a unanimous call for sticking to the same brand and same series of speakers. So there must be something you guys know that I don't. What precisely do you mean by timbre matching - matching the tweeter and midrange characteristics across the fronts and center ? Or is it the use of the same drivers across the three that amounts to them being matched ?

When Paradigm makes a speaker they use certain material, different drivers, crossovers, etc. Also they test and tune in a different room then other makers. So when you listen to a speaker, each company and you can go as bold to say each line of products has different timber. If you listen to two different brands of speakers they will usually sound different, now some may not be night and day, but they will have their own sound. Thats why lots of people recommend listening before buying, because you may feel a different brand suits your taste.

Question:

My receiver has 1 subwoofer out coaxial connection. However the sub has a low level input (red/white connection).

http://z.about.com/d/hometheater/1/7/G/a/dsp3400rearcontrols-600-2.jpg

What do i need to connect the units properly? "Y" adapter? Links and pictures help

Question:

My receiver has 1 subwoofer out coaxial connection. However the sub has a low level input (red/white connection).



What do i need to connect the units properly? "Y" adapter? Links and pictures help

With most subs, you can just plug 1 cable into the "Left" channel and it will work fine. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I didn't use an XLR sub connection, so that may have changed??

You can also use a Y adapter and plug into both L/R if you prefer to do that.

Because it is like wearing a sneaker on one foot, and a shoe and the other.

60s
ADP 590s
Mythos Three Center

I've been a bit perplexed by the folks here insisting that a unified 'sound stage' is critical. I took a different approach. I have a small TV stand on which my Samsung 52A650 sits. I really wanted to see if there was a decent center channel speaker that I cold place in front of the TV without obstructing the view. My hypothese is that paradigms are a fairly 'neutral' speaker.

So armed with my favorite CDs and several blu-ray movies (iron man, hell boy 2, etc.) I went to my local dealer... who carries both DTs and paradigms. Well the sales guy was fantastic and allowed me to 'play' for about 4 hours. I fell in love instantly with the 60's. However, the CC690 was huge and I frankly wasn't impressed by dialogue, etc (even after playing with input levels, etc)...IMO. But, the Mythos three was superb and seemed at least to me to blend in well with the 60s. Another customer even commented on what seemed to be a great blend.

At the risk of being flamed, I'm certainly no audio expert. But, I'm delighted with this combination. Those of you with limited space may what to check out this combination.
Jim

I wouldn't say that speaker matching between two different brands can't be done, its just much more difficult. Without having an option to switch between the different brands it's hard to make a verdict on if the timber will match.

I am very happy to say that the XPA-2 I ordered has shipped today. :D

So, the system is complete for now...

- Yamaha RX-V 3900 AVR
- Emotiva XPA-2 Amp

- Paradigm Studio 100s (front)
- Paradigm Studio 20s (rear)
- Paradigm Millenia 20 (center)
- Paradigm DSP-3400 (sub)

- Pioneer Elite 151FD 60" Plasma
- Sony PS3 BD player/gaming machine
- SA8300 PVR
- Pioneer 640 DVD recorder
- Panamax 5400 Power Conditioner


The question is...What's next?

I think that is it for now...when I move to my new home, I will upgrade the Center to a Paradigm CC-690 and possibly add an XPA-5 (although it probably won't be necessary).

Any suggestions?

I am very happy to say that the XPA-2 I ordered has shipped today. :D

So, the system is complete for now...

- Yamaha RX-V 3900 AVR
- Emotiva XPA-2 Amp

- Paradigm Studio 100s (front)
- Paradigm Studio 20s (rear)
- Paradigm Millenia 20 (center)
- Paradigm DSP-3400 (sub)

- Pioneer Elite 151FD 60" Plasma
- Sony PS3 BD player/gaming machine
- SA8300 PVR
- Pioneer 640 DVD recorder
- Panamax 5400 Power Conditioner


The question is...What's next?

I think that is it for now...when I move to my new home, I will upgrade the Center to a Paradigm CC-690 and possibly add an XPA-5 (although it probably won't be necessary).

Any suggestions?

If you do a lot of TV/movie listening, the center is going to get very underwhelming very fast. You might want to accelerate the 690 purchase, and figure out how to make it fit.

Alternatively, you might be better off just removing the Milennia, and doing a phantom center across the 100's.

Not sure about the system but I got my pair of monitor 9 for $900 plus tax

How you liking your Monitor 9's so far man? Worth every penny? Im still not sure about the Klipsch RF-82's!! hmmmm I will listen to both!!

I tried it as Phantom in a few different situations as my AVR can do that with the push of a button. Seems to be better/clearer with the Millenia involved.

Can't fit in anything bigger here...have thought of everything and it just doesn't work...cause we love our TV stand and won't be changing it as it was a bitch to get the one we really wanted.

If you do a lot of TV/movie listening, the center is going to get very underwhelming very fast. You might want to accelerate the 690 purchase, and figure out how to make it fit.

Alternatively, you might be better off just removing the Milennia, and doing a phantom center across the 100's.

I tried it as Phantom in a few different situations as my AVR can do that with the push of a button. Seems to be better/clearer with the Millenia involved.

Can't fit in anything bigger here...have thought of everything and it just doesn't work...cause we love our TV stand and won't be changing it as it was a bitch to get the one we really wanted.

When I had the studio 60s and not enough room for a 590 I went with a Paradigm Signature C1. It is small but very good quality and I had a smaller room. It was much better matching with the Studios then the Millenia 20 that I tried. Of course it was much more expensive too. Just a thought for Studio people that cant fit a 590 or 690. The Sig matched very well.

I recently asked folks on this forum about whether or not putting their LCD/plasma's on top of their center channels was "kosher" and thought I should post a reply to an inquiry I received today:

Hi

Paradigm does not recommend placing a television on top of the CC-390 or any
other center channel speaker.

Thanks for your interest in Paradigm speakers.

Sincerely,
Gary Takeda
Paradigm Technical Support

I'm guessing this is the corporate boilerplate on this issue, but I'm also surprised that Home Theater mag would explicitly recommend setting your tv on top of the center channel in their review (http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/108parav5/). Of course, they don't offer details about what the weight limits are...

Just because they don't recommend it doesn't mean it can't be done. They just don't recommend it. Also since they produce the speakers they probably feel it's also not proper treatment of the speaker, so when warranty issues come up they don't have to deal with "You told me it was okay to do this"

when warranty issues come up they don't have to deal with "You told me it was okay to do this"

Exactly.

True, would have to hear to see if a match can be done. The main reason to consider other brands at all is not space but that I don't see any CC590 v4 or CC690 v4 speakers on sale now. The inventory for these seem to be cleared out in my area and I don't see any listings for these online. I do see a cc390 offered but that's the monitor series - the drivers are all different from the Studio 60, so it may not be any better than buying a different brand. :(
Which is why I was asking about the ID brands with a generous return policy, so that if the sound from those centers don't match I could send them back. If anyone has tried that combination already, it would be helpful to hear about the experience.
Oh, and thanks for the options recommended mustangv8 and mmcelyea, will keep these in mind

I wouldn't say that speaker matching between two different brands can't be done, its just much more difficult. Without having an option to switch between the different brands it's hard to make a verdict on if the timber will match.

How you liking your Monitor 9's so far man? Worth every penny? Im still not sure about the Klipsch RF-82's!! hmmmm I will listen to both!!

I love them...they look great and sound detailed

A local dealer is offering the following (all prices don't include tax, which would be additional):

Room 1:

Qty. 4: Studio 100 v.4 $4,500 (2 are demos, 2 are new in box)

Room 2:

Qty. 2 Monitor 7 $798
Qty. 1 CC-290 $519
Qty. 2 ADP-390 $898

or

Qty. 2 Studio 60 v.5 $1,699
Qty. 1 CC-490 v.5 $799
Qty. 2 ADP-590 $798 (demos, white)

Am I getting a good deal? Should I be getting a better price on these? The prices they're asking for room 2 are basically their "sticker" prices. I'm wondering how low I can reasonably go. What are others out there paying?

Also, I'm trying to decide which way to go in room 2. The monitors really sound good, but those studios are just so sweet!

New Studio 100s v4 should be about $1800 if you are in Canada...less in the USA.

KC thanks , i was told all my other equiptment is in route cc690 adp590 sub 15 mca 50 . i will be getting a call tomorrow on the 100's . BERT

So, what's the latest you've heard on the rosenut 100s?

I got my CC-690 and the Esprits. The CC-690had minor shipping damage (cracked speaker grill) and the midrange drive of the left Esprit makes a rattling noise. I was told I'd receive a new grill and driver. I'm loving the CC-690 though! Very beautiful speaker and sounds great! I'm also liking the Esprits for surrounds....I like direct much better than my previous dipoles (Martin Logan Scripts). The Esprits sound like they loads of potential....it's almost a shame to be using them as surrounds. My 2nd JL Audio Fathom 113 will be here Monday...can't wait for that. I watched U-571 this morning.....sweet!

New Studio 100s v4 should be about $1800 if you are in Canada...less in the USA.

Wow - is this guy trying to hose me across the board? What about the other prices?

I paid $3k recently for 2 100 v4's and a cc690... this was immediately after the announcement of the v5's.

I paid $3k recently for 2 100 v4's and a cc690... this was immediately after the announcement of the v5's.

What was the price breakdown? It sucks having only one authorized retailer in the area...

20% off sticker is reasonable for the monitors. I paid $399 cdn for titan v5's and $299 cdn for cc 290 v5. For room 3 , I would recommend the cc 590 over the 490.

Where are you located?

What was the price breakdown? It sucks having only one authorized retailer in the area...

I'm looking for surround speakers to go with my monitor 9 and cc390. I dont really have the space to mount box-speaker ....so im looking for in-ceiling or in-wall? Anyone has good experience with them and can make a recommendation for $200 budget?
Thanks

I'm looking for surround speakers to go with my monitor 9 and cc390. I dont really have the space to mount box-speaker ....so im looking for in-ceiling or in-wall? Anyone has good experience with them and can make a recommendation for $200 budget?
Thanks

I am using Mirage omnican 6's for surrounds with my Titan and cc 290 v 5's and it sounds very good. They are over your budget though. the Paradigm CS series would be the match for the monitors sonically, but most likely over your budget as well. I did not pick these because I wanted an enclosed speaker . If you can build a box in your attic for them it does not matter, but if you can't, I stongly recommend getting an enclosed speaker. For your budget I would check out the speaker company.

Where are you located?

I'm in Roseville, CA. Next nearest dealer would be over 100 miles away.

so, what's the latest you've heard on the rosenut 100s?

I got my cc-690 and the esprits. The cc-690had minor shipping damage (cracked speaker grill) and the midrange drive of the left esprit makes a rattling noise. I was told i'd receive a new grill and driver. I'm loving the cc-690 though! Very beautiful speaker and sounds great! I'm also liking the esprits for surrounds....i like direct much better than my previous dipoles (martin logan scripts). The esprits sound like they loads of potential....it's almost a shame to be using them as surrounds. My 2nd jl audio fathom 113 will be here monday...can't wait for that. I watched u-571 this morning.....sweet!

kc

all my equiptment is in adp-590 , cc-690 , sub 15 , mca-50 , except 100's , i was told that paradigm recieved 20 extra cabinets , besides the ones expected , i was also told mine should be on a truck by monday . Been told that before . Glad yours are in and they are fixing the problems asap . I can't pick mine up till i return from cali next week . The 100's should be in by the time i return .

Bert

I would not suggest this as a center.... it is not from the same line and used different drivers then the studio line...

You should match the front 3 speakers as best you can for a seemlessly integrated soundstage.

Before I knew any better my first system consisted of a mismatched center to my mains and I struggled to get a good panning effect from left to right or vice versa...

To give you a little perspective with what your proposing....

Think of a Harley moving from the left speaker, when it reaches the center it sounds like a moped, and then back to a harley in the right speaker.... that is not the consistency you are looking to achieve....
I ended up buying the 690 along with the Studio 100s! Got too tempted (and was offered a good deal). Thanks for the advice.

Congrats... I think you will be far happier and never have to look back....

Thats a great setup and something you should be happy with for years to come...
Keep us posted, and toss up some pics of your new setup... :)

Congrats... I think you will be far happier and never have to look back....

Thats a great setup and something you should be happy with for years to come...
Keep us posted, and toss up some pics of your new setup... :)
Yes - its been great so far! Now I have all these questions I'm trying to research (I was surprised that there was not much documentation with the speakers). I have a Yamaha RX-995 that is powering the speakers. If anyone can share their experience on the following that will be great:

1. Should I be using a 4ohm or 8ohm impedence? What would be the difference? I have currently set it to 8
2. I read somewhere on this forum that the speakers be set to small. What's the advantage of doing that
3. Do I really need to upgrade my receiver to get the most out of these speakers?

Yes - its been great so far! Now I have all these questions I'm trying to research (I was surprised that there was not much documentation with the speakers). I have a Yamaha RX-995 that is powering the speakers. If anyone can share their experience on the following that will be great:

1. Should I be using a 4ohm or 8ohm impedence? What would be the difference? I have currently set it to 8
2. I read somewhere on this forum that the speakers be set to small. What's the advantage of doing that
3. Do I really need to upgrade my receiver to get the most out of these speakers?

1. The speakers are 8 ohm - use that
2. Small will make the bass/lower-end go to the sub instead of the speaker, below the set crossover point (in your receiver). The advantage is that the sub is more capable at the lower range, the speaker can focus more on the mid and highs, and it requires less power. It should obviously be set to Large if you don't have a subwoofer (or you really know what you're doing)
3. If your receiver has pre-outs, there's no reason to upgrade your receiver unless you find it lacking in features (e.g. no HDMI, certain audio processes, room EQ, or whatever you care about), since you can always add an amp later, which is theoretically ideal.

Well,

I am finally a proud owner of some paradigms. The wife is happy with the sound too. I purchased two Monitor 7's v.5 and the cc-290 v.5 I paid 499 for the 7's and 300 for the cc-290. Prices are canadian. Product was demo, but comes with warrenty, so I am thrilled. Sounds great on my POS sony receiver. Now i just gotta figure out if I can get my really cheap sub to work, or if these speakers are to powerful for it to kick in.