any one running Tubes with Studio line?, what you have and how does it sound?

hi everyone,

a question, how you can tell if tower is Studio 100 V4 or V3? (as there's no serial sticker on the back, been removed it guess).
Thank you for chip-in.

hi everyone,

a question, how you can tell if tower is Studio 100 V4 or V3? (as there's no serial sticker on the back, been removed it guess).
Thank you for chip-in.

Check the tweeter dome color. If it is gold plated, you have the Studio 100 V4. If it is not, then you have the V3s.

hi everyone,

a question, how you can tell if tower is Studio 100 V4 or V3? (as there's no serial sticker on the back, been removed it guess).
Thank you for chip-in.

Even more obvious, look at the first mid-range driver. If it looks like a white condemn, it's V4. :eek:

I looked at the downloadable brochure for speaker stands but the information is lacking. Does anyone have any information on the height of these stands? Mostly I am looking to more than likely pick up some Studio 20's for surrounds so I was looking at the J-29. Also I was thinking of picking up a CC-690 center speaker and this is the one I really need to know the height on for the J-18C stand. I also want to know if it is possible to angle the speaker at all since by the picture it looks like it sits flat. I need to probably sit the center speaker a bit lower so as to not block my tv and then angle it slightly upwards. Can anyone point me in the right direction for this information?

I looked at the downloadable brochure for speaker stands but the information is lacking...Does anyone have any information on the height of these stands?...Also I was thinking of picking up a CC-690 center speaker and this is the one I really need to know the height on for the J-18C stand...Can anyone point me in the right direction for this information?

I'm not sure which brochure you were looking at, but the one on Paradigm's website has the heights on the right side of the second page. You can download it here:

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/downloads.php

BTW, it says that the height of the J-18C is 17 3/4 inches. Hope this helps.

I'm not sure which brochure you were looking at, but the one on Paradigm's website has the heights on the right side of the second page. You can download it here:

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/downloads.php

BTW, it says that the height of the J-18C is 17 3/4 inches. Hope this helps.

Thank you. I had my screen blown up to 100% to see which stands I needed at the beginning and when I scrolled down to look at the actual stands I didn't notice the right side of my screen was cut off.

I still would like to know if there is anyway to tilt the speaker.

The stands offer spikes for the bottom that are adjustable for any tilting up or down.

On my Sig S4's, I only use the front spikes to aim the speaker higher toward my ear level, they are in my bedroom, my bed sits somewhat high...

Thank you. I had my screen blown up to 100% to see which stands I needed at the beginning and when I scrolled down to look at the actual stands I didn't notice the right side of my screen was cut off.

I still would like to know if there is anyway to tilt the speaker.

For the CC-690 v.5, there is no way to tilt the speaker using only the speaker component itself. The "cradle" feet are not adjustable. You can, however, place something under the front portion of the cradles to get the desired angle.

All,

I currently have the following:

CC-370 v4, 2 Monitor 5 v4, 2 Mini Monitor v4

All powered by Denon 4306.

I was looking at getting the Studio 60s for front and studio ADP-590 for the sides, and keeps the mini monitors for the rear.

I am located in Dallas and curious to know what I should expect to spend for this upgrade. Would 6th Ave be a better deal?

I don't think 6ave will ship Paradigms because of warranty issues. I could be wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure that would violate Paradigm's "authorized dealers only" policy. Check A'gon if you don't need new...especially if v4's will do. A lot of movement with the v5's out now.

Jason

Couldn't do this myself so had a friend with a little carpentry skill build this TV upper deck for me. Thanks for the inspiration guys.

Well nelson, I guess I should post my pics of my upper deck as well now that I finished it.. Even made room to upgrade to the C5 when I make the switch..

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2546.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2547.jpg

Wow - nice looking setup Warp! What TV is that?


Can anyone else help me with this (quote below)?




I am about to re-run YPAO (Yamaha 3900) for my setup since I just got a new amp (XPA-2).

I am wondering what to set up my crossovers at, since YPAO always wants to set up my fronts and rears to LARGE.

I am thinking about the 80Hz THX standard, but my center channel is my concern for this - I am not sure if it is a good setting for the center.

Right now I have the crossovers set up as:

Fronts - Paradigm Studio 100 - SMALL/60Hz
Rears - Paradigm Studio 20 - SMALL/80Hz
Center - Paradigm Millenia 20 - SMALL/110Hz

Here are the specs for my speakers...

FRONTS - 25 Hz (DIN), ±2 dB from 44 Hz - 22 kHz, Suitable Amplifier Power Range 15 - 350 watts, Maximum Input Power 230 watts, Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 93 dB / 90 dB

REARS - 36 Hz (DIN), ±2 dB from 54 Hz - 22 kHz, Suitable Amplifier Power Range 15 - 180 watts, Maximum Input Power 110 watts, Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 90 dB / 87 dB

CENTER - 77 Hz (DIN), ±2 dB from 110 Hz - 20 kHz, Suitable Amplifier Power Range 15 - 150 watts, Maximum Input Power 110 watts, Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 92 dB / 89 dB


Any suggestions on what to try?

Thanks!

Thanks Corpfan.....

My suggestion would be to start to take room measurements and let your room decide what crossover to choose.... The measurements and graphs will allow you to see if you have any integration issues with your mains to subs, if you just randomly choose a crossover Freq and your room ends up having a huge null at that spot then you are missing the impact of sound in that range.

You should test not guess...

I have an SMS-1 that will show your room response at a given seating position, effectively highlighting the area of crossover from your subs to mains

Here is an early picture of my OSD of before and after EQing my 18" subs crossed over at 100hz
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Subwoofer%20Builds/IMG_2461.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Subwoofer%20Builds/IMG_2458.jpg

As you can see I have pretty smooth even response with no dips at my 100hz area of crossover, at 80hz cross I had a very large dip of at least 5-10db, so I chose not to use 80hz, 60hz was even worse. So you can see by measuring you can see what your room does to your response.

Thanks WARP - but how do I test that stuff?

YPAO wants to set my crossover at...

Fronts - LARGE (40Hz indicated)
Rears - LARGE (40Hz indicated)
Center - SMALL - 90Hz

Just picked up a pair of Monitor 11 v.5's today.
I had been "test driving" a pair of 7's v.4 and felt they were not much of a step up over my 3's for the money so I went with the 11's and am glad I did.
I've taught my wife how to use the Yamaha remote to access "Pure Direct" and she actually said she loved the sound and likes the look of the 11's...wow WAF and all, how cool is that?...
I have taken pics and will post them tomorrow. Got home from work a bit ago and heading off to bed...g'nite all.

Check the tweeter dome color. If it is gold plated, you have the Studio 100 V4. If it is not, then you have the V3s.

thank you, it is V4 :)

2 more questions:

i) what is speakers impedence? 8ohm.. 6 or 4?
ii) currently i'm using Yamaha 6190, & thinking to get 2ch amp, which amp is closest match on warm side?

NAD C272? or something else?

Well nelson, I guess I should post my pics of my upper deck as well now that I finished it.. Even made room to upgrade to the C5 when I make the switch..

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2546.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2547.jpg

Awesome job Warp! I should have waited until you were finished and shown these pictures to my guy. I'm happy though. Again, thanks for the inspiration.

I am running LCR-450's for my fronts. They are around 10 years old. They were top of the Paradigm line "Reference" when I bought them. They are sealed. No ports.

Here is an old review of the speaker
http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/reviews/surrounds/studioadp590_review_166.pdf

The room is treated. The panels between the wood are acoustic panels.

Here is a photo of the theater for what it is worth.
http://bill-stan.smugmug.com/photos/440627799_dqKKQ-L.jpg

With Grills
http://bill-stan.smugmug.com/photos/440628227_ogSGn-L.jpg


I am considering
Studio 60's 100's.
CC 590 CC 690

Signature S4, Signiture S6
C3, C5

I believe the center channel is the most important.

The ultimate nagging question.

Will I hear a significant difference?

Thanks

Thanks WARP - but how do I test that stuff?

YPAO wants to set my crossover at...

Fronts - LARGE (40Hz indicated)
Rears - LARGE (40Hz indicated)
Center - SMALL - 90Hz

Kinda looks like you are getting alot of low end boundary gain from your mains with them being so close to the walls, which is why YPAO wants to set them as large and cross them over so low...

You can manually plot this out with a test tones and an SPL meter....
You graph out the responses you get from the tones measured on the SPL meter. Here is a good place to download and read http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm

Hello Everyone! Brand new to this thread. I am cosidering replacing an aged front array of NHT 2.9 Towers and C2 Center with possibly Studio 100s and cc 690 center. Would that be an improvement and / or should I consider a pair of Sig 6's with c-3 center. Would the huge diff in $'s be justified? Any input would be appreciated. Thank you, John Fricano.

Warp - can you explain low end boundary gains and what effect that would have on sound?

Also - if that is the case - should I let YPAO determine things or should I ignore it and set to small, etc...

Thanks.

Don't have an SPL meter. Not sure I want to get into that at this point - since I don't have much choice in placement of speakers, etc...

Kinda looks like you are getting alot of low end boundary gain from your mains with them being so close to the walls, which is why YPAO wants to set them as large and cross them over so low...

You can manually plot this out with a test tones and an SPL meter....
You graph out the responses you get from the tones measured on the SPL meter. Here is a good place to download and read http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm

Lets just continue this in your thread over at Audio Theory...

I'm looking at upgrading the speakers on my Onkyo mini-system and I'm wondering if anyone has used older Mini Monitors or Titan Monitors as near-field speakers...

There are a couple of pairs of each on eBay right now for under $100 and the old Titans and Minis are small enough to sit on my desk...

Is there really a big difference between the 6.5" Titan v.2 and the 5.25" Mini v.2? The Mini is a nicer size and the specs say the Titan only goes 3hz lower...

Anyway, if anyone has experience with either the Mini Monitor v.2 or the Titan Monitor v.2, let me know...

Thanks!

**Edit** Now that I look at the ebay auctions, I'm confused. They list the Mini Monitor v.2 as having a 5.25" woofer, when all the reviews I can find say it's a 6.5". Is there anywhere to find old specs on paradigm stuff? Anyone have an old Performance Series brochure laying around? :)

t6902wf, that is awesome. Really clean and functional theater. Not like some of the "theaters" I've seen that look like they shoehorned some equipment into a walk in closet. I bet that sounds phenomenal. :)

t6902wf, that is awesome. Really clean and functional theater. Not like some of the "theaters" I've seen that look like they shoehorned some equipment into a walk in closet. I bet that sounds phenomenal. :)

Thanks I built the house and was able to plan it in.
It does sound good, I am wondering if it can sound better?

I am running LCR-450's for my fronts. They are around 10 years old. They were top of the Paradigm line "Reference" when I bought them. They are sealed. No ports.

Here is an old review of the speaker
http://www.paradigm.com/en/pdf/reviews/surrounds/studioadp590_review_166.pdf

The room is treated. The panels between the wood are acoustic panels.

Here is a photo of the theater for what it is worth.

I am considering
Studio 60's 100's.
CC 590 CC 690

Signature S4, Signiture S6
C3, C5

I believe the center channel is the most important.

The ultimate nagging question.

Will I hear a significant difference?

Thanks


Paradigm has made significant changes to their lineups since the LCR series.... I think the jump to the studio line would be a marked improvement, they are just more refined and tighter in SQ. Jumping from what you have to the Sig line would be a huge improvement - they are a spectacular speaker, to me the difference between the Studio .v4 to the Sig .v1 was quite an improvement....

You really need to get out and audition to get a feel for the differences, I had to drive 2 hours to listen to the .v2 sigs but I was sold right away. Truly the top tier in audio

Paradigm has made significant changes to their lineups since the LCR series.... I think the jump to the studio line would be a marked improvement, they are just more refined and tighter in SQ. Jumping from what you have to the Sig line would be a huge improvement - they are a spectacular speaker, to me the difference between the Studio .v4 to the Sig .v1 was quite an improvement....

You really need to get out and audition to get a feel for the differences, I had to drive 2 hours to listen to the .v2 sigs but I was sold right away. Truly the top tier in audio

Thanks for the tip. I enjoyed your sub build thread.
I called a local dealer who is having a great sale (he can't tell me the price over the phone). I don't have time to run over but I will try and make it soon.

He has S6 displays he want to sell.

So have any of you compared the Studio v4's with the v5's? I've got studio 100v4's and a CC-690 v4. Would I hear any significant difference in the v5's? I love the curved cabinets, but the upgrade probably doesn't make sense. I think it comes down to: I've upgraded everything else, should I upgrade my speakers again?

So have any of you compared the Studio v4's with the v5's? I've got studio 100v4's and a CC-690 v4. Would I hear any significant difference in the v5's? I love the curved cabinets, but the upgrade probably doesn't make sense. I think it comes down to: I've upgraded everything else, should I upgrade my speakers again?

I would go listen I have not heard them personally but back when the v4's
came out and I had v3's statements where made what a difference so I
had to demo them I still have my v3's. Thats not saying this time there
could be enough of a difference to justify change.

So have any of you compared the Studio v4's with the v5's? I've got studio 100v4's and a CC-690 v4. Would I hear any significant difference in the v5's? I love the curved cabinets, but the upgrade probably doesn't make sense. I think it comes down to: I've upgraded everything else, should I upgrade my speakers again?

v4 to v5 isn't worth the upgrade, IMO, unless you're getting an amazing trade-in credit.

And even if you are, you might want to consider the Signatures instead. But if you can't appreciate the v4 -> Sig sound difference, the v4 -> v5 is a pretty box upgrade only.

Also since they produce the speakers they probably feel it's also not proper treatment of the speaker, so when warranty issues come up they don't have to deal with "You told me it was okay to do this"

More commonly, it's "You didn't tell me I couldn't do this.":rolleyes:

Studio V.4 and V.5 sound virtually the same. The box is definitely an improvement.

I'd get Studio 100 v.5's and move my 100 v.4's to the side surrounds for multi-channel music.

Hey, all!

I'm moving over to Dynaudio (sorry :o!) so need to put my Studio 40v2s, 20v2s and CCv2 up for sale but I'm having a hard time settling on fair prices.

All have been well cared for in a nonsmoking home. Condition is 8/10 for all with minimal slight cosmetic wear but they work perfectly and still sound amazing. The 40v2s and 20v2s have real cherry wood sides. The CCv2 is black.

What are people paying for the v2s now? Are people still buying them?

Thanks!

Hey, all!

I'm moving over to Dynaudio (sorry :o!) so need to put my Studio 40v2s, 20v2s and CCv2 up for sale but I'm having a hard time settling on fair prices.

All have been well cared for in a nonsmoking home. Condition is 8/10 for all with minimal slight cosmetic wear but they work perfectly and still sound amazing. The 40v2s and 20v2s have real cherry wood sides. The CCv2 is black.

What are people paying for the v2s now? Are people still buying them?

Thanks!

Check out the completed listings on eBay....that should give you a good general idea.

Check out the completed listings on eBay....that should give you a good general idea.

I've been checking there and Audiogon. Not a lot of v2s for sale! I can get prices for v3s, and a lot of 60s but not many 40s.

Also, these are not the thin cherry veneer but 1/4" thick slabs of real cherry that look gorgeous. Not sure how to work that into the asking price. :confused:

You guys really know the Paradigm market. I guess I need to know: what would you pay if you were shopping for these?

I know the v4 and v5 studio series has been described as being similar, but does anyone have any personal experience with either of these compared to v3?

I currently have v3 40's and a cc-470. I was feeling the upgrade itch and wanted to move into the slightly larger v5 cc-590 for starters, and perhaps a pair of 60's down the road.

Since I was able to find a great deal on the cc-590, does anyone feel I would find the center upgrade to be a noticeable improvement?

Well, I am still awaiting my Studio 100 v.5's, but I did get my CC-690 v.5 and my Esprits (which are v.4...no v.5 released yet).

Here are some pics of the CC-690:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0076.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0100.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0102.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0090.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0096.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0098.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0094.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0095.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0099.jpg

And some pics of the Studio Esprits I'm using for surround speakers:

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0113.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0114.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0115.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0117.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0118.jpg

Not a paradigm...but here's one of my dual JL Audio Fathom f113 subs: :)

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j166/KCWolfPck/Paradigm%20-%20JL%20Audio/IMG_0108.jpg

Did you get the cc690 for a decent price? I am having a hard time getting my dealer to come off retail.

Did you get the cc690 for a decent price? I am having a hard time getting my dealer to come off retail.

Yeah, I got a really good deal....but I bought over 14k worth of speakers at the same time. (100s, CC-690, Esprits, and 2 JL Audio Fathom f113s).

Freakin' audio porn really sucks sometimes.
LOL beautiful kit...
I was just listening to some of that gear last week and dreaming.
Thanks for sharing with us.

Pictures are worth a thousand words sometimes nice setup.

Pictures are worth a thousand words sometimes nice setup.

2nd.

Gorgeous!

Looks great how does it sound? What center did you used to have?

Beautful shots. What I want to know is how do get your pictures into the post like that?

Looks great how does it sound? What center did you used to have?

Even thought the CC-690 is half the cost of my previous center speaker (Martin Logan Stage), it sounds much more powerful. Way more dynamic range and a much bigger sweet-spot. Other than that....I'll reserve final judgment until I get the front implemented into my system and get everything dialed up.

Beautful shots. What I want to know is how do get your pictures into the post like that?

Use an image HTML tag to embed your photos. They must be hosted elsewhere to do that.

Other than that....I'll reserve final judgment until I get the front implemented into my system and get everything dialed up.

A 690 paired with Polk bookshelf speakers? I bet when you fire up the system those Polks look at your 690 and shriek in fear. :eek:

A 690 paired with Polk booshelf speakers? I bet when you fire up the system those Polks look at your 690 and shriek in fear. :eek:

Yep....waiting on those backordered rosunut 100 v.5s is killing me!!

yep....waiting on those backordered rosunut 100 v.5s is killing me!!

kc

my 100,s will be in by mid week . Picking them up in phoenix this weekend , with rest of the equiptment . Can't wait !

Bert

Beautiful set up everyone. I have just purchased my first set of Paradigm speakers (Studio Reference 20's V5's for right, left and center, Studio Reference 10's V5's for side surrounds and rears). All I can say is they sound awesome. I have bought and sold B&W 803's, HTM1 and SCMS's for side and rear surrounds. Nice but did nothing for me. I then bought the Definitive Tech 7001's, CLR 3000 and BPVX's which sounded great but still I felt something was missing.

When I went out and auditioned the Reference Studio 10's I was sold. They along with a sub sounded incredible.

So this brings me to my question for everyone. I decided to go with three Ref. Studio 20's for right, left and center vs. having a dedicated center channel. I have no problems setting this up in my system and wanted to make sure this was my best bet. Was I correct or should I have gone with a CC690V5 for center duties. I have always heard that three identical speakers across the front is the best. I listen to about 30% music and the rest for movies. I am also using a Def. Tech Reference Sub but I am thinking about selling it and purchasing two subs for my system. Any recommendations for a dual sub set up?

Thanks,
Ted

Was I correct or should I have gone with a CC690V5 for center duties. I have always heard that three identical speakers across the front is the best.


Any recommendations for a dual sub set up?

Thanks,
Ted


You are doing yourself a great service with the same 3 across the front, much better off axis performance and cohesion. Forgo the 690 and get a good pair of subs that will handle the upper bass..... Don't try to cross to low and you'll have some great impact with that setup...

What is your budget for a pair of subs...?

That should be a really nice system.....

Beautiful set up everyone. I have just purchased my first set of Paradigm speakers (Studio Reference 20's V5's for right, left and center, Studio Reference 10's V5's for side surrounds and rears). All I can say is they sound awesome. I have bought and sold B&W 803's, HTM1 and SCMS's for side and rear surrounds. Nice but did nothing for me. I then bought the Definitive Tech 7001's, CLR 3000 and BPVX's which sounded great but still I felt something was missing.

When I went out and auditioned the Reference Studio 10's I was sold. They along with a sub sounded incredible.

So this brings me to my question for everyone. I decided to go with three Ref. Studio 20's for right, left and center vs. having a dedicated center channel. I have no problems setting this up in my system and wanted to make sure this was my best bet. Was I correct or should I have gone with a CC690V5 for center duties. I have always heard that three identical speakers across the front is the best. I listen to about 30% music and the rest for movies. I am also using a Def. Tech Reference Sub but I am thinking about selling it and purchasing two subs for my system. Any recommendations for a dual sub set up?

Thanks,
TedParadigm recommends the cc590 it may give you more detail.

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/rec_systems/Studio20System_US.gif

Hey all, pretty new to HT and am looking to get my first system. Can someone tell me if the following are good prices for new v5s? It seems smoking to me but I thought I'd ask the experts :)
Also with this setup should I go with the UltraCube given its price or find something else at a similar price?
edit ...US dollars..
CC-590 - $675
ADP-390 - $400/pair
Studio 20 - $340/each
Cube 10 - $500

thanks for your help!

You are doing yourself a great service with the same 3 across the front, much better off axis performance and cohesion. Forgo the 690 and get a good pair of subs that will handle the upper bass..... Don't try to cross to low and you'll have some great impact with that setup...

What is your budget for a pair of subs...?

That should be a really nice system.....

My budget for dual subs is around $1600.00 for both. I figured I can get around $800 for my Def. Tech and pitch in another $800-$1000 for the difference. Any suggestions?

Also any ideas where I can pick up the paradigm stands for a decent price?

Thanks,
Ted

I've been considering dual subs on a budget, and I keep looking at the SVS PC-12 NSD's. They have some really good range (down to 17 Hz) and are made for a mid size room, 2 would be significant and the price to value ratio is way better then anything else I've come across. I have a paradigm sub now and I don't find it performs for the money spent like the SVS would. I've been also considering a Sub EQ like SVS also is releasing, from what it looks like a good sub and sub EQ may be a better investment then two subs.


***Edit***
Actually the AV123 MFW-15's would be another good dual sub setup but I'm in Canada so it no longer becomes an affordable subwoofer after shipping and duties.

So, random question I thought of. What frequency is everyone using to cross their Studio 20's over to a sub at? I have a pair of v5's (along with a CC-590 and Mini Monitors as surrounds, crossed to a HSU STF-2 until I can convince myself to get a ULS-15 :) ), and I currently have them crossed at 80 Hz. However, I see that the 20's are supposedly -2dB at like 55-ish Hz, so maybe crossing them at 60 would sound better? I may have to mess with this tonight and see how it sounds.

From what I understand is 80Hz is the point when sound is no longer directional to the human ear. So whichever driver reproduces better response at that frequency would be the one to choose. If the 20's can reproduce 65 Hz better then your sub then go for it. But Again thats a lot of work for your speakers and at that frequency it's hard to say which one would do a better job. but I would leave it to the Sub. Also you should see with frequency sweeps which one would be smoother.

No, there's no question which would do a better job at 65Hz; a dedicated sub is the clear choice. How is a small woofer in the 20s supposed to accurately reproduce a male's voice at 250Hz when it's also trying to pound out an explosion at 65Hz in the background?

I've got Studio 100s, and I wouldn't go lower than an 80Hz x-over. The above assumes you have a somewhat decent sub, which cjv998 does.

you should see with frequency sweeps which one would be smoother.

This is the money post right here....

Let your room tell you what crossover you should choose - it will tell you with freq. sweeps, plot out your room.

How is a small woofer in the 20s supposed to accurately reproduce a male's voice at 250Hz when it's also trying to pound out an explosion at 65Hz in the background?

I've got Studio 100s, and I wouldn't go lower than an 80Hz x-over. The above assumes you have a somewhat decent sub, which cjv998 does.


+1....

I have the 100's and cross over at 100hz with my 3 - 18's and 1 - 15" subs in my room, I'd go 120hz, but my receiver doesn't have that... My subs are far more capable at reproducing those freqs.

Usually localization will start at or around 120hz, but I offset that with multiple subs... :D

A frequency sweep says nothing about the quality of the sound.

A frequency sweep says nothing about the quality of the sound.

:confused:
Yeah, but if you have a 10db dip at the freq you want to crossover at are you going to want to use that setting or try to find something that gives you a smoother transition in the handoff from sub to mains - I think not.

These are things you can't know unless you take measurements at different crossover freq's....

Test don't guess...

I guess I should've said, "testing FR isn't the only decision factor". My point is, he's not going to end up with a 10db dip at any reasonable freq response. In fact, since he's at -2db at 55Hz, (and assuming his sub is at least -3db at 55Hz), he'll theoretically have pretty flat FR at a 60Hz. But that doesn't mean it'll sound as good as a 80 or 100Hz crossover, which would *also* likely have a good FR (and I'd highly doubt it would).

Obviously, at 40Hz it would be a different story and you might be talking about 10db dips at that point, but that should also not even be in consideration.

I guess I should've said, "testing FR isn't the only decision factor". My point is, he's not going to end up with a 10db dip at any reasonable freq response. In fact, since he's at -2db at 55Hz, (and assuming his sub is at least -3db at 55Hz), he'll theoretically have pretty flat FR at a 60Hz. But that doesn't mean it'll sound as good as a 80 or 100Hz crossover, which would *also* likely have a good FR (and I'd highly doubt it would).

Obviously, at 40Hz it would be a different story and you might be talking about 10db dips at that point, but that should also not even be in consideration.

Huh? Unless he's got a perfect room, it's actually very likely he has a 10db dip/peak, probably a couple.

Agreed,
I actually noticed a dip between 80 to 100 Hz (Cross over set to 100) so I thought why not put it down to 80 so it would clean up, but still same dip, which makes me think the room is the source, this also continues to push me toward an equalizer to correct this.

Huh? Unless he's got a perfect room, it's actually very likely he has a 10db dip/peak, probably a couple.

Thank you....

Agreed,
I actually noticed a dip between 80 to 100 Hz (Cross over set to 100) so I thought why not put it down to 80 so it would clean up, but still same dip, which makes me think the room is the source, this also continues to push me toward an equalizer to correct this.

Every Room is different, and will effect the FR of speakers in their own unique manor, and there is no way of telling what your room is doing to the FR of your speakers as well as your subwoofer unless you measure...

There is no such thing as a perfect room, that is why there are so many products out on the market to try to adjust and EQ the response of that output, correct decay, reverberation of that imperfect room... Audyssey, YPAO, MCACC, Anthem's ARC oh and lets not forget the Subwoofer EQ appliances like SMS-1, AntiMode 8088, SVS's AS-EQ1 and even the Proaudio units that Behringer has to offer in full range EQ, as well as other reputable companies.

Proper room response is a science - not a guessing game...

Test your system - AND ROOM with an SPL meter or REW software, laptop, mic....
It makes for a fun hobby and you can learn alot, but it requires some effort.

Huh? Unless he's got a perfect room, it's actually very likely he has a 10db dip/peak, probably a couple.

Doh! Thanks for setting me straight. For some reason I was thinking of the speaker's internal cross-over in my head, where room acoustics are negligible (compared to speakers that are physically separated).

Anyone with thoughts on those prices I was offered above? thanks for the help, don't want to make the wrong decision! :)

Dude, pull the trigger, those are great prices.....

check out the retail prices and you'll have your answer... :)

Dude, pull the trigger, those are great prices.....

check out the retail prices and you'll have your answer... :)

lol I see so much talk about dealers giving different discounts etc. Just wanted to make sure this is good, why spend more if you don't have to, you know? This is my first system so I'm a bit trigger-shy

edit, also wanted to ask, do you think the ultra 10 would go well with that setup for that price?

v5 Studio will we officially introduced next week,
here is the FMV

Reference Studio/10 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 399.00
Reference Studio/20 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 599.00
Reference Studio/60 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 999.00
Reference Studio/100 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference CC-490 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 799.00
Reference CC-590 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1199.00
Reference CC-690 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1499.00
Reference Sub-12 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 1999.00
Reference Sub-15 - Blk/CH/RN (ea) 2799.00

from this post
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15397075#post15397075

Ultra 10?

Ultra 10?

The little baby subwoofer. 10"

Thats not a subwoofer.... MAN UP !!!!!

What is your room size and budget...? don't get cheap here or you'll end up just buying a replacement for something with some balls down the line...

hah thanks....

Right now in an apartment. It's one large room with the living room, dining room and kitchen open. I'll be in a house by the end of the year. Haven't determined which room it will go in but I'm thinking in one that is around 15x15. If I didn't do that room it would just end up being the living room which is larger and more open to the kitchen etc.

edit - sorry, budget if i get all the other speakers at these prices is from 500-700

One of the worst things in this hobby is not purchasing a big enough sub there are countless statements to that effect over the years either wait and do it right or finance.

Test your system - AND ROOM with an SPL meter or REW software, laptop, mic....
It makes for a fun hobby and you can learn alot, but it requires some effort.

Alright, now I'm curious. Anyone mind throwing out a link to a thread on how to do this? I know I've heard of people using the Radio Shack SPL meter before, but I' m not sure how you'd do something like this. (I'd search, but I don't know what terms to search for...)

Go SVS and get a 12" NSD (either the cylinder or the box).

The little baby subwoofer. 10"

Go SVS and get a 12" NSD (either the cylinder or the box).

Good one corpfan1... :)

If your patient, keep your eye on the B-Stock page, lots of subs come up on there, I got 3 SVS subs from there.... perfect condition unless they tell you otherwise... comes with warranty as well... can't go wrong...

https://svsound.com/store/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=12

If your handy, you can have fun building your own sub... they are easy and you can learn alot, and get more bang for your buck... 1 of my 3 - 18" Mal-X subs with equal SQ to my F112 cost me $500.00 without amp. its a 24" cube sealed...

Alright, now I'm curious. Anyone mind throwing out a link to a thread on how to do this? I know I've heard of people using the Radio Shack SPL meter before, but I' m not sure how you'd do something like this. (I'd search, but I don't know what terms to search for...)

You can go here (http://www.realtraps.com/test-cd.htm) and get info and the test tones and the sheet of paper to plot out your graphs of your response with and SPL meter... this is certainly the cheapest route and will work fine just the same, just takes more time.

Now if you are interested in doing this sort of thing with a computer, you can use REW and all the info you need to start your journey down that road at Home Theater Shack.... Its a incredible tool....

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/rew-forum/11707-room-eq-wizard-rew-information-index-links-guides-articles-stickies-please-read.html

guys, can you please recommend me a cheap speaker stand for studio 20 v4.....

So it sounds like a resounding no on the Ultracube 10 even at the $500 price point?

guys, can you please recommend me a cheap speaker stand for studio 20 v4.....

standsandmounts.com
racksandstands.com

So it sounds like a resounding no on the Ultracube 10 even at the $500 price point?

If you want a fantastic little sub, take a look at the SVS SB12+, its a bit higher in price, but I bought one for my son, and that thing can put out, it will not do really well down below 25hz, but then what do you want for that kind of money... you have to pay to play....

Search Audiogon.com for some used SVS subs, there are some good deals there... http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl?searchstring=svs&B1=go

It doesn't necessarily have to be a small one. I just seriously know nothing about subs =\
I had a Klipsch sub in my computer pro-media speakers back in college...does that count for something :)

So is the SB12+ better than the NSD? Minus the shipping that 45 day return policy looks very nice. It would actually give me a chance to try a subwoofer without being all-in.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a small one. I just seriously know nothing about subs =\
I had a Klipsch sub in my computer pro-media speakers back in college...does that count for something :)

So is the SB12+ better than the NSD? Minus the shipping that 45 day return policy looks very nice. It would actually give me a chance to try a subwoofer without being all-in.

If size doesn't matter, for performance and certainly price/performance, you really can't beat the PB13-Ultra. But it's big.

The PB12Plus box will be simply amazing in that space of 15x15 and later you could add another one when you get a bigger place....

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm

Another option is the DSP3400 from Paradigm. It is a 14" sub and has decent power and looks. That is the one I ended up getting and it is more than enough for me...I am in an apartment same size as you and will be moving to house in 1-2 years.

I would say the NSD is probably a little better - but much much bigger in size.

It doesn't necessarily have to be a small one. I just seriously know nothing about subs =\
I had a Klipsch sub in my computer pro-media speakers back in college...does that count for something :)

So is the SB12+ better than the NSD? Minus the shipping that 45 day return policy looks very nice. It would actually give me a chance to try a subwoofer without being all-in.

I was looking at this sub...but opted for the DSP3400 by Paradigm at half the price.

The PB12Plus box will be simply amazing in that space of 15x15 and later you could add another one when you get a bigger place....

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-newpb12plus.cfm

The best setup for you is either...

4xStudio 20s + CC-690

or

5xStudio 20s (although they usually don't sell singles new)

I have heard not so great things about the CC590 as compared to the CC690.

If you have NO CHOICE but to wall mount your rears/sides, then maybe look at the ADP-590s or your choice the 390s...but you will probably prefer the Studio 20s as rears (but don't forget the added $ of the stands)...especially if you are going 5.1.

What AVR are you/will you be using?

Hey all, pretty new to HT and am looking to get my first system. Can someone tell me if the following are good prices for new v5s? It seems smoking to me but I thought I'd ask the experts :)
Also with this setup should I go with the UltraCube given its price or find something else at a similar price?
edit ...US dollars..
CC-590 - $675
ADP-390 - $400/pair
Studio 20 - $340/each
Cube 10 - $500

thanks for your help!

Also - don't forget to check out v4s. Same sound. Box shape. Although the curves look nice in pictures, I actually prefer the boxier shape in my room. Matches my TV stand better and matches most subs better. And you can (kind of) put things on top of them....especially the centers.

You might be able to find them cheaper than the v5s...although your v5 prices are really good.

GL

If you want to save a bit of money on the sub...here is an interesting deal:

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pcpow3.cfm

Alright, now I'm curious. Anyone mind throwing out a link to a thread on how to do this? I know I've heard of people using the Radio Shack SPL meter before, but I' m not sure how you'd do something like this. (I'd search, but I don't know what terms to search for...)

I found a frequency sweep test disk right here. It does a good job, my Avia disk had a few sweeps so I started looking for a dedicated disk and found this...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=742969

***Edit***
Note that disk is mostly for sweeps, there are tones as well, but if you want very small increments I think it only goes as far as 10 Hz steps.

Well, I had listened to the CC-290 but want to match the Studio 20s better. (no one had a 590 in stock to listen to) The 690 is just too large for me right now. But, I figure the 590 MUST be better than the 290 and will go better with the 20s right?

I also have the price so low on that 590 it seems hard to pass up.
This is also the reason for the 390's at this point. The price is something like 50% off which is hard to pass up. Even if I didn't like them I could sell them for what I paid or eventually use them in a 7.1 setup.

The AVR is part of the reason I'm trying to keep the cost on the speakers down. I don't have one yet. I heard that the Marantz are good, and the added bonus of the box being a little less deep than most brands is nice.


The best setup for you is either...

4xStudio 20s + CC-690

or

5xStudio 20s (although they usually don't sell singles new)

I have heard not so great things about the CC590 as compared to the CC690.

If you have NO CHOICE but to wall mount your rears/sides, then maybe look at the ADP-590s or your choice the 390s...but you will probably prefer the Studio 20s as rears (but don't forget the added $ of the stands)...especially if you are going 5.1.

What AVR are you/will you be using?

I see all your points and they are all certainly justified.

I didn't get the CC690 because of size as well.

You might consider the Millenia 20 as a center. I am doing fine with it and it is much smaller than the CC series.

I really think you would be much happier with Studio 20s as rears (they are cheaper too) than the ADPs. But, if space is limited and you need to wall mount the ADPs are the better way to go.

What is your price range for your AVR?

The Marantz 6003 is a good deal.

GL

Well, I had listened to the CC-290 but want to match the Studio 20s better. (no one had a 590 in stock to listen to) The 690 is just too large for me right now. But, I figure the 590 MUST be better than the 290 and will go better with the 20s right?

I also have the price so low on that 590 it seems hard to pass up.
This is also the reason for the 390's at this point. The price is something like 50% off which is hard to pass up. Even if I didn't like them I could sell them for what I paid or eventually use them in a 7.1 setup.

The AVR is part of the reason I'm trying to keep the cost on the speakers down. I don't have one yet. I heard that the Marantz are good, and the added bonus of the box being a little less deep than most brands is nice.

The best I've got on the studio 20's is $340/speaker but on the 390's I got $405 for the pair, so $200/speaker. So looking at a $280 difference...money that I figure can be put into the receiver or sub.
Unless you think that $340 wont be found again and I should allocate the money there instead of receiver/sub.

I don't need to wall mount, its just mostly pricing that I'm working with.

I see all your points and they are all certainly justified.

I didn't get the CC690 because of size as well.

You might consider the Millenia 20 as a center. I am doing fine with it and it is much smaller than the CC series.

I really think you would be much happier with Studio 20s as rears (they are cheaper too) than the ADPs. But, if space is limited and you need to wall mount the ADPs are the better way to go.

What is your price range for your AVR?

The Marantz 6003 is a good deal.

GL

Ahhh...didn't notice the /pair.

Sounds like you have a plan in mind. The Studio 20s are very nice and sound great. They will definitely be the gem in your setup. I would get a nice sub if you can - you will enjoy the LFE/bass.

Again - not to familiar with how the ADPs will sound...as I have 20s as my rears to the Studio 100s. I do plan on adding ADPs when I go 7.1 unless my new room will have a ton of space.

GL...research your AVRs...that is a whole other game! ;)

So it sounds like a resounding no on the Ultracube 10 even at the $500 price point?

Good one corpfan1... :)

If your patient, keep your eye on the B-Stock page, lots of subs come up on there, I got 3 SVS subs from there.... perfect condition unless they tell you otherwise... comes with warranty as well... can't go wrong...

There is a B-Stock PB12-NSD at SVS now for $519.00 or a new one can be had for $569.00. I would agree that if you can swing a PB-12+ or even a PB-13 Ultra you will not be disappointed.

Cheers!

Brent

Also - don't forget to check out v4s. Same sound. Box shape.

I know that this is all extremely subjective but when I auditioned the Studio 100's V5's there was a pair of V4's there as well. Was there a huge difference...no but I did prefer the sound coming out of the 5's and ordered them. To each their own. As for the new cabinets...no comparison!

Cheers!

Brent

Any other opinions on the dsp3400? I was gonna order a pb12nsd/sub cable/harmony one combo may 1st, but it now seems that I can get the same combo with a 3400 and save $100. The 3400 is only 150 km drive where as I'd have to ship across Canada on the svs.

Thanks in advance.

GL...research your AVRs...that is a whole other game! ;)

I am NOT looking forward to that!! :)

Any other opinions on the dsp3400? I was gonna order a pb12nsd/sub cable/harmony one combo may 1st, but it now seems that I can get the same combo with a 3400 and save $100. The 3400 is only 150 km drive where as I'd have to ship across Canada on the svs.

Thanks in advance.

Have a look at www.sonicboomaudio.com they are the SVS distributer for canada.

I am NOT looking forward to that!! :)

When it comes to AVR's I would recommend NAD, Denon, Marantz or step up to separates.
I have an NAD and I really like the power they have for an AVR and this years models have caught up with the technology bells and whistles. I noticed even the T747 is looking like a great AVR for the money.

Ya - I have heard mixed things. I have not listened to v5s myself.

But I have also read many opinions that preferred the v4s.

Who knows? I am assuming the v5s would be slightly better...but then again, when they change the cabinet, sometimes that is their main selling point. I have also heard that the cabinet causes some loss of quality in sound...again - various opinions.

I know that this is all extremely subjective but when I auditioned the Studio 100's V5's there was a pair of V4's there as well. Was there a huge difference...no but I did prefer the sound coming out of the 5's and ordered them. To each their own. As for the new cabinets...no comparison!

Cheers!

Brent

I'd skip the Monitor 3 and go either Mini Monitors or Monitor 5s. I'd also suggest another subwoofer manufaturer - I'm sure you've heard this before - such as SVS or HSU.

I personally have a SR-5600 + Monitor 7 2.0 system right now - love it. The SR-5600 isn't much for connections, though, in terms of video. Sounds great, though. If you dig classical music, they are quite amazing.

One of the worst things in this hobby is not purchasing a big enough sub there are countless statements to that effect over the years either wait and do it right or finance.Or not purchasing TWO subs. Two subs are very effective in dealing with peaks that a single sub can cause. You don't need 2 $3k subs, 2 $1,500 subs are more than adequate in most rooms.

Alright, now I'm curious. Anyone mind throwing out a link to a thread on how to do this? I know I've heard of people using the Radio Shack SPL meter before, but I' m not sure how you'd do something like this. (I'd search, but I don't know what terms to search for...)Spend a little extra for a Phonic PAA3 (http://www.phonic.com/en/testers/paa3.html) - it's worth it.

I got mine used for $150 and use it regularly.

I have looked at sonicboom as I said I had pricing from there. I'm pretty much on the opposite end of Canada from sonicboom, and wondering how close these subs are to each other.

I bought one for my son, and that thing can put out, it will not do really well down below 25hz, but then what do you want for that kind of money... you have to pay to play....I'm not sure how appropriate this comment is on a family website like AVS. :p

To those have been able to compare is it worth the upgrade if my main use is for movies? I do listen to music occasionally - I would say 90/10-movies/music.

I currently have Monitor 11's and a CC-390 v6. My dealer only carries Monitors in store but can special order Studio's but I would be stuck with them once ordered. I can only hear them myself if make a 4 hour drive to demo them. Is it even worth it?

I sent an email to my local dealer with my likes and budget. He said that the Monitor 7s and a matching center can be had for $1100. Any thoughts or opinions guys? Is there only one option for the "matching center" for the monitor 7?

To those have been able to compare is it worth the upgrade if my main use is for movies? I do listen to music occasionally - I would say 90/10-movies/music.

I currently have Monitor 11's and a CC-390 v6. My dealer only carries Monitors in store but can special order Studio's but I would be stuck with them once ordered. I can only hear them myself if make a 4 hour drive to demo them. Is it even worth it?

I upgraded from Mini Monitor v5 to Studio 20 v5's, and notice a pretty big difference. My music/movie ratio is more like 60 music/40 movies though. You don't have any dealers closer than that?

deepstang the cc190, 290 and 390 are the recommended matches for the Monitor 7.
I would go with at least the 290. I have the 190 and while it is good it was no match for my monitor 3 fronts. I replaced it with the 290 and am very, very happy. The 290 has an awesome sound for a center channel. Voices are crystal clear.
I now have the Monitor 11's v.5 and they do not over power my 290 either. Matter of fact they are a good match. For tv/movies the 290 is the dominant speaker.

I test drove a pair of monitor 7's in my house for 3 days and found them to also be a good match for the cc290. I went with the 11's because of the great price I was given and the sound.

Good luck and keep us informed.

I'm not sure how appropriate this comment is on a family website like AVS. :p


Gotta start him on his way to manhood sometime right... :p:)

I sent an email to my local dealer with my likes and budget. He said that the Monitor 7s and a matching center can be had for $1100. Any thoughts or opinions guys? Is there only one option for the "matching center" for the monitor 7?

Just out of curiosity have you considered bookshelf speakers? The stands are a factor but usually you can get more for your money in your situation, I find the Monitor 7's small compared to the Titans in my opinion, and I think the Titans are less expensive possibly with stands as well.

I have Titans V.4 and a CC 170 V.4 and they match well, the Monitor 7's I find sound almost the same.

Just out of curiosity have you considered bookshelf speakers? The stands are a factor but usually you can get more for your money in your situation, I find the Monitor 7's small compared to the Titans in my opinion, and I think the Titans are less expensive possibly with stands as well.

I have Titans V.4 and a CC 170 V.4 and they match well, the Monitor 7's I find sound almost the same.

I have considered bookshelfs; however, I want the largest sound for the dollar. I understand that size does not necessarily = sound; however, I do like a speaker that can strongly handle frequencies from atleast 80Hz to 120Hz. I actually like speakers that ARE slightly forward and dynamic. I also need a very efficient speaker as I will be using an Onkyo 605 (90wx7), and I will be using this primarily for HT. The other big factor in my decision is the LOOKS of the speaker. I want a speaker that is attractive and an eye catcher. I am not sure what the best wood finish is for Paradigm. I don't think I would (no pun intended) choose black/ash...as I like a darker real wood color.

The Studio 20s look gorgeous; however, I know it is out of my price range. I don't know if the Studio 10s would compare to the Monitor 7s. I hear the Monitor 10s are pretty darn good as well.

I would greatly appreciate any more recommendations to help me get the best I can for $1000 for the front 3 speakers.

There's a nice looking pair of Rosenut Titan v5's on A'gon.

Jason

There's a nice looking pair of Rosenut Titan v5's on A'gon.

Jason

A'gon ?? Google did not yield the web page for this site

www.audiogon.com

There are no Monitor 10's...only 7's, 9's and 11's.
When I was test driving the 7's in my home I had them and my 3's set up side by side as "A" and "B" fronts so I could bounce back and forth either in Pure Direct, Stereo or Dolby Digital surround mode for comparisons.
I found the 7's did not go as deep nor were as full in the lower ranges as my 3's were. The mid/bass driver in the 3 is 7 1/2" compared to the 5 1/2" of the 7's. However the upper ranges were more pronounced and much smoother than my 3's. I did not buy the 7's because there was not enough of a difference between them for the amount of money it would have cost...just not enough bang for the buck.
But the 11's are another story. They go much much deeper than my 3's dream of going. The mid's are so much wider and more clear. The upper ranges are also more clear and detailed. It was a major increase and improvement in the sound stage and detail.

I got to spend some time with the Studio 20's as well. The sound, depth and clarity of them was outstanding but I could not afford them...though I felt the charge card whispering "yes you can" lol. I was given an excellent price for the 11's v.5 and could not refuse. They are also matched perfectly with the rest of my kit.
If you are considering going the tower route I strongly suggest the 11's. They are an amazing speaker.

The best setup for you is either...

4xStudio 20s + CC-690

or

5xStudio 20s (although they usually don't sell singles new)

I have heard not so great things about the CC590 as compared to the CC690.

If you have NO CHOICE but to wall mount your rears/sides, then maybe look at the ADP-590s or your choice the 390s...but you will probably prefer the Studio 20s as rears (but don't forget the added $ of the stands)...especially if you are going 5.1.

What AVR are you/will you be using?

If you can go with three 20's across the front do it. That is what I am running and it blows away the cc590 set up.

kc

my 100,s will be in by mid week . Picking them up in phoenix this weekend , with rest of the equiptment . Can't wait !

Bert

kc

scratch what i said about my 100's . Now i am told there is another delay , no details , just delays . I am getting a gentelmans number by the name of jack george , works for paradigm ? I am getting an answer to when they will hit the door or i want my money back or a deep discount . Any word on yours ? The dealer wants to lend me a pair of s-6 fronts , might not get those back if i get them .

Bert

bert

These new speakers are in high demand, and Paradigm is likely trying to keep up with a storm orders here....Breath In and Out, I know its frustrating when you buy something and you experience delays...

I bet you wouldn't like to be in my shoes here.... Last fall (middle of august) I bought my 18" subwoofer drivers and they were delayed, they didn't show up until Feb...:eek:

I ordered an Anthem D2v and the day that I did, an announcement came across stating there would be a delay due to a electronic board shortage.... That was on march 2nd... still not here... :(

Take the deal you are getting from your dealer, that is quite a gesture on his part, though I'll bet that you will be less happy with your studio 100's after you finally get them.... ha... tough predicament.... :)

These new speakers are in high demand, and Paradigm is likely trying to keep up with a storm orders here....Breath In and Out, I know its frustrating when you buy something and you experience delays...
Yeah, that can be frustrating. I know from both of my local dealers that the v5's are in huge demand and there have been delays in shipping from the factory.

Last fall (middle of august) I bought my 18" subwoofer drivers and they were delayed, they didn't show up until Feb...:eek:
That delay was borderline epic...though well worth the wait. I need to update my build thread...subs and babies! :D

Take the deal you are getting from your dealer, that is quite a gesture on his part, though I'll bet that you will be less happy with your studio 100's after you finally get them.... ha... tough predicament.... :)
That's a helluva deal (if I'm thinking of the right poster). Consider yourself lucky and be patient!

Jason

There are no Monitor 10's...only 7's, 9's and 11's.
When I was test driving the 7's in my home I had them and my 3's set up side by side as "A" and "B" fronts so I could bounce back and forth either in Pure Direct, Stereo or Dolby Digital surround mode for comparisons.
I found the 7's did not go as deep nor were as full in the lower ranges as my 3's were. The mid/bass driver in the 3 is 7 1/2" compared to the 5 1/2" of the 7's. However the upper ranges were more pronounced and much smoother than my 3's. I did not buy the 7's because there was not enough of a difference between them for the amount of money it would have cost...just not enough bang for the buck.
But the 11's are another story. They go much much deeper than my 3's dream of going. The mid's are so much wider and more clear. The upper ranges are also more clear and detailed. It was a major increase and improvement in the sound stage and detail.

I got to spend some time with the Studio 20's as well. The sound, depth and clarity of them was outstanding but I could not afford them...though I felt the charge card whispering "yes you can" lol. I was given an excellent price for the 11's v.5 and could not refuse. They are also matched perfectly with the rest of my kit.
If you are considering going the tower route I strongly suggest the 11's. They are an amazing speaker.

So the Studio 20, althought a much smaller speaker (albeit higher quality drivers/material), has a sound stage and off axis perfromance improved vs the Monitor towers??

So, what I am gathering here is that it may be worth going with the Monitor 3s as opposed to the Monitor 7...and if I can afford it the Monitor 11, it is the best of the 3. If I am looking at the Monitor 11...I am wondering if the Studio 20 is almost in the same price (if it is even worth it).

Again, if I am considering Paradigm as my choice for HT speakers....what is the best set of front 3 speakers I can get for $1000-$1100...assuming a GREAT deal. I specified my likes a few posts up.

I haven't touched my home theater system in years, I had plans to upgrade speakers, go separates, etc..., but life just got in the way. Now that I have a basement that can be a dedicated home theater room, the urge has kicked in again.

I have a Paradigm Studio CC (v2 I think) from right before I stopped upgrading the system. I have sort of been watching the studio line and it looks as though as it has evolved a little, especially with the center channel.

Would I be fine pairing it with with the new v5 line or have the speakers changed that much that I would have to worry about them not sounding the same anymore?

I guess its worth a try, but honestly the sound of these speakers has changed quite a bit over the years with all the changes in drivers and the cabinetry work has also improved as well... Worse comes to worse, you notice how drastic the difference is and you upgrade your center.... Seems at least logical to try


***Edit****

Also be advised, although all horizontal Center Channels are a compromise in design, the .v2 CC is exceedingly problematic in its design with its MTM,(Mid Tweeter Mid) design compared to the newer updated configuration of center channels. Paradigm has made vast improvements in the layout putting the tweeter above the midrange driver which will aid in minimizing the effects of lobing and off axis performance.


http://www.audioreview.com/channels/audioreview/images/products/product_120333.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2507/studiocc490rosenut2qr0.png

Oh well, I am thinking it will get me by for the time being. I guess it could be worse and I could have a complete Frankenstein system.

Now I just have to figure out what speakers I want and convince the wife. I have always wanted the 60s, but now that I am older and have to think about room aesthetics and such, I am leaning towards the 20s or possibly the Espirts.

I guess its worth a try, but honestly the sound of these speakers has changed quite a bit over the years with all the changes in drivers and the cabinetry work has also improved as well... Worse comes to worse, you notice how drastic the difference is and you upgrade your center.... Seems at least logical to try


***Edit****

Also be advised, although all horizontal Center Channels are a compromise in design, the .v2 CC is exceedingly problematic in its design with its MTM,(Mid Tweeter Mid) design compared to the newer updated configuration of center channels. Paradigm has made vast improvements in the layout putting the tweeter above the midrange driver which will aid in minimizing the effects of lobing and off axis performance.


http://www.audioreview.com/channels/audioreview/images/products/product_120333.jpg

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/2507/studiocc490rosenut2qr0.png

I can attest to that. It will be hard to use another CC that doesn't have the tweeter on top of the midrange. Paradigm very wisely went with a 3 way design, even for the Monitor series a version back.

Oh well, I am thinking it will get me by for the time being. I guess it could be worse and I could have a complete Frankenstein system.

Now I just have to figure out what speakers I want and convince the wife. I have always wanted the 60s, but now that I am older and have to think about room aesthetics and such, I am leaning towards the 20s or possibly the Espirts.

I know the sacrifices we must make when $$ is concerned, however I made the mistake of 2nd guessing myself. I bought a pair of Monitor 9s V5, when I really wanted the 60s or 100s. Within a year I was back at the shop loading up a pair of 100s. I spent darn near a year with speakers, while very good, were not what I wanted. I am never looking back now. :)

[QUOTE=Warpdrv;16325093]These new speakers are in high demand, and Paradigm is likely trying to keep up with a storm orders here....Breath In and Out, I know its frustrating when you buy something and you experience delays...

THANKS 4 YOUR INPUT , IT IS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE ABOUT PARADIGM SITUATION , BACK ORDERS . BUT WHEN CASH IS PAID UP FRONT FOR A PRODUCT THEN U R GIVEN THREE DELEVERY DATES , NONE COME TRUE , THERE IS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN BACK ORDERS ! JUST ME .

BERT

kc

scratch what i said about my 100's . Now i am told there is another delay , no details , just delays . I am getting a gentelmans number by the name of jack george , works for paradigm ? I am getting an answer to when they will hit the door or i want my money back or a deep discount . Any word on yours ? The dealer wants to lend me a pair of s-6 fronts , might not get those back if i get them .

Bert

bert

Lambert,

The last information I received was last week I was told that they would be shipping to my dealer later this week (took that to mean either today or tomorrow) and he would receive them next week. I'll see if I can get confirmation if that is still the case. I've been figuring that it will be the end of the month before I get them and will be happy if that is the case. :D

THANKS 4 YOUR INPUT , IT IS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE ABOUT PARADIGM SITUATION , BACK ORDERS . BUT WHEN CASH IS PAID UP FRONT FOR A PRODUCT THEN U R GIVEN THREE DELEVERY DATES , NONE COME TRUE , THERE IS A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN BACK ORDERS ! JUST ME .

BERT
I'll just assume that you didn't realize your caps lock key was on...that's really annoying.

If you've got an issue, take it up with your dealer.

Jason

deepstang the Studio 20's msrp for $1200ish but surely can be had for less than that.
The Monitor 11's v.5 go for $1100 retail...I paid a good deal less. If I had to pay retail I would have bargained hard for the 20's.
I'm not sure if you can easily get a pair of Monitor 3's. They are not available in their new Monitor line.

I was not able to do a side by side with the Monitor 11's and the Studio 20's. My obsevations on the 20's were based on listening in a smallish room using a Marantz 2 channel receiver and Marantz CD player. I felt the breath and depth of the 20's were amazing for a bookshelf speaker. They hit hard but the the mid and upper ranges were clear. They sounded a lot like towers. I would think though that the 11's are going to have a wider range all around but that is subjective. I also went with the 11's because they match the rest of my Monitor family. Soon I will have access to a fully finished 13x26 family room downstairs...it is my son's living room until he leaves for the Navy in the next few months...I will be moving the HT to that room and using the 11's for fronts with the cc290, the Monitor 3's will become the surrounds and the Atoms surround back. So going with the Studios may not have matched timbre wise and I am done speaker upgrading for the next few years...or so I told my wife hehehe.

i'll just assume that you didn't realize your caps lock key was on...that's really annoying.

If you've got an issue, take it up with your dealer.

Jason

thanks for that observation , captain obvious , i know . If it annoys you don't read it , or respond to it .

I have taken it up with the dealer . Any other advice , please . Thanks in advance .

Bert

Any other advice , please .

Yeah...fire your therapist. :p

Jason

So the Studio 20, althought a much smaller speaker (albeit higher quality drivers/material), has a sound stage and off axis perfromance improved vs the Monitor towers??

So, what I am gathering here is that it may be worth going with the Monitor 3s as opposed to the Monitor 7...and if I can afford it the Monitor 11, it is the best of the 3. If I am looking at the Monitor 11...I am wondering if the Studio 20 is almost in the same price (if it is even worth it).

Again, if I am considering Paradigm as my choice for HT speakers....what is the best set of front 3 speakers I can get for $1000-$1100...assuming a GREAT deal. I specified my likes a few posts up.

Anyone else besides gentleman Winters have any input?

I'm buying a dsp3400 next week and hope to get some setup help. I'm pretty new to this, and this is my firstreal sub. Will just running the yamaha setup give me a good start, and where should I start with the gain/phase?

Thanks

Deepstang I'm not quiet sure about American pricing on them, but I myself would look into the monitor 9 or 11 with an adp 390. If your going to have a big sub I think the monitor 9's would work great.

For those debating about center channels, there's a single Studio 20 v4 in Black Ash listed at A'gon. These are pretty hard to come by.

Jason

I'm not sure if you can easily get a pair of Monitor 3's. They are not available in their new Monitor line.



FYI the new Titans are very similar to the monitor 3's

Deepstang: I think you would be very happy with the monitor 9's and cc 290. See what is the best deal you could get on these.

I have titans and cc 290 as I had to go with bookshelves. I did hear the 7's and 9's and would definitely spend the difference on the 9's.

Ya - I have heard mixed things. I have not listened to v5s myself.

But I have also read many opinions that preferred the v4s.

Who knows? I am assuming the v5s would be slightly better...but then again, when they change the cabinet, sometimes that is their main selling point. I have also heard that the cabinet causes some loss of quality in sound...again - various opinions.

Hi Corpfan,

I certainly could never disagree with someone who prefers the V4's over the V5's as it is a very subjective subject. The point that I was trying to make was that I don't think that the two versions sound the same and one really needs to audition them and make their own decision. As I mentioned, I preferred the sound of the V5's but as long as we are all happy with our choices, that's what is important.

Something that I don't understand though is why anyone would think that the new curved cabinets would degrade the sound. There are a lot of very excellent speakers out there with similar designs!

I'm patiently waiting for my V5's to arrive. :(

Cheers!

Brent

I went and listened to Paradigm Signature S6’s with the C3 center.
It was in an untreated dealer show room. The dealer had them on sale for $4300 for the 6’s and $1700 for the center.

I currently have 3 Paradigm Reference LCR-450’s across the front. They are sealed.
They are around 10 years old.

My thinking was I should be blow away by the difference. I was not.
My setup is movie only. Having three identical speakers across the front is good. The sound is seamless.

The good news is that I went and listened and left with my money and a good feeling.
I am not posting this to detract from the 6’s it is just an honest observation. The dealer offered to bring them over and set them up until he found out I was an hour away. Because I did not hear a real difference I didn’t push it.

The good news is that I went and listened and left with my money and a good feeling.

It looks like you may be immune to upgradeitis. Congratulations...I think. ;)

It looks like you may be immune to upgradeitis. Congratulations...I think. ;)

I wish. I wouldn't have been looking if I was immune.
But if I spend $6K on speakers I better hear quite a difference (the wife too).

I am pretty sure I will get a HSU MBM when they are back in stock to augment my 2- HSU ULS-15's. After that maybe an SVS-EQ1. After that a receiver upgrade. After that I am not sure but I am sure I will come up with something.;)

Hi everyone,

I was hoping I could get some opinions on a couple questions I have. I'm planning a 5.1 setup in a smaller home theater room (approx 12x14 ft). I would like to use studio 20s as fronts. Which center speaker would match best? The cc490 or cc590? The cc590 seems huge so I'm hoping I could get away with the490. Also, I'm not sure which way to go with surrounds. My listening position will be approximatel 1.5 to 2 feet from the rear wall. I can't mount adp 590s on the side of the listening position because there is a window on one of the walls. I emailed paradigm and they said the adps would work on the rear walls. My other option is to use studio 20s (or 10s) on stands to the sides and slightly behind the listening position. But if I did this I'd still like them to be the recommended 2 to 3 feet above seated ear level. All of paradigm stands seem so short. Any ideas? Do any stands from other manfacturers fit studio 20s

Thanks

I wish. I wouldn't have been looking if I was immune.
But if I spend $6K on speakers I better hear quite a difference (the wife too).

I am pretty sure I will get a HSU MBM when they are back in stock to augment my 2- HSU ULS-15's. After that maybe an SVS-EQ1. After that a receiver upgrade. After that I am not sure but I am sure I will come up with something.;)mabey the dealer has a bad setup?

Typicall what kind of pricing should most Paradigm dealers have in reference to the retail prices of speakers. I know I would never pay full retail price for a car....and as seeing that some of these speakers start approaching the price of vehicles, I doubt I will ever pay straight retail for them.

I want to know how much I can haggle my local dealer ;)

Well I finally pulled the trigger and got my new front 3. I had flirted with getting a pair of Studio 10s and a CC-490 but couldn't justify the price. There are other purchases to make as well. I got v6 Atom Monitors and a CC-190. I love them so much. I can't imagine needing anything more. I guess I'm easy to please!

My thinking was I should be blow away by the difference. I was not.
My setup is movie only. Having three identical speakers across the front is good. The sound is seamless.

My guess would be that the S6/C3 setup sounds only slightly better, if at all, for movies, especially as you have identical speakers across the front (ideal).

I think the difference would be greater for music.

My guess would be that the S6/C3 setup sounds only slightly better, if at all, for movies, especially as you have identical speakers across the front (ideal).

I think the difference would be greater for music.

Front three matching are ideal no matter the source. A center channel is always a compromise regardless.

What set up would you guys recommend for a 16' x 16' living room. I'm heading to a Paradigm dealer tomorrow for a listen, first time putting a system together and I'm looking for some suggestions. I have an Onkyo 906 receiver and I'm looking to spend up to 3k for now. I'm willing to buy a little at a time if you guys think that would be a better idea than going for the whole 5.1 now. Love to have the front three matching but not an option. Another thing, my seating is against two adjacent walls. There is about a foot and a half of room between the couch and wall, my system will be caddie-corner. Plan on moving in a year maybe less and I'll end up with more room down the road, for now It's what I have to work with, and less than ideal. Appreciate any advice/suggestions you can offer, I'm new to this addiction.
Thanks!!

kc

scratch what i said about my 100's . Now i am told there is another delay , no details , just delays . I am getting a gentelmans number by the name of jack george , works for paradigm ? I am getting an answer to when they will hit the door or i want my money back or a deep discount . Any word on yours ? The dealer wants to lend me a pair of s-6 fronts , might not get those back if i get them .

Bert

bert

Lambert,

I was told mine finally shipped yesterday. Dealer expects them Tuesday....I should get them by late next week. Have yu heard anything different on yours?

I wish. I wouldn't have been looking if I was immune.
But if I spend $6K on speakers I better hear quite a difference (the wife too).

I am pretty sure I will get a HSU MBM when they are back in stock to augment my 2- HSU ULS-15's. After that maybe an SVS-EQ1. After that a receiver upgrade. After that I am not sure but I am sure I will come up with something.;)

Before you spend anything on equipment, look into room treatment. That will net you the biggest beneficial difference without spending an arm and a leg IMO.

Typicall what kind of pricing should most Paradigm dealers have in reference to the retail prices of speakers. I know I would never pay full retail price for a car....and as seeing that some of these speakers start approaching the price of vehicles, I doubt I will ever pay straight retail for them.

I want to know how much I can haggle my local dealer ;)

15 to 20% is pretty common.

Hi Crosby.
3K is a good amount to spend on a system. If you are going to buy the complete 5.1 you can certainly negotiate a much better price than buying one pair at a time.
If you prefer the bookshelf style speakers I would suggest Studio 20's for the fronts, cc490 center, studio 10's surrounds and sub of your choice.
Studio 20: $1200 per pair msrp
Studio 10: $800 per pair msrp
Studio CC490: $800 msrp
Sub: ? depends on what you want. SVS and Hsu offer an arguably better product for a much better price. The Studio 12 sub is $2000 retail.
I would suspect at least a 15% discount if buying the fronts, center and surrounds at one time. What you would get are amazing speakers that will literally last for well over a decade giving sound that will blow you away. The quality of materials inside and out of the Studio line is simply wonderful. The sound they produce is equally wonderful.

The Monitor line is quite a bit less and you can certainly get the Monitor 11's for fronts, etc for much less but if you have the money to spend I would prefer the best quality I could get as well as a matching system. You will not be sorry.

Don't forget to keep us informed.

Before you spend anything on equipment, look into room treatment. That will net you the biggest beneficial difference without spending an arm and a leg IMO.

Thanks our dedicated room is treated pretty well I suspect that is why it sounds better to me.

Hmmm....I am wondering after reading about Paradigms if the Titan Monitor V.5 is the best dollar to speaker value Paradigm has. I know the Studio 20 gets great reviews and is amazing...but it does come at a cost. I was thinking about the Monitor 9 or even Monitor 11 (actually a bit over my budget); however, with my TV mounted high above the fireplace, there may be better imaging with a bookshelf mounted higher on a stand as opposed to floorstanders. Thoughts?

Thanks our dedicated room is treated pretty well I suspect that is why it sounds better to me.

Lol, thats probably true.....you're going to have to bring the speakers home to try out. A properly treated room will make mediocre speakers sound fantastic as you well know.

Hmmm....I am wondering after reading about Paradigms if the Titan Monitor V.5 is the best dollar to speaker value Paradigm has. I know the Studio 20 gets great reviews and is amazing...but it does come at a cost. I was thinking about the Monitor 9 or even Monitor 11 (actually a bit over my budget); however, with my TV mounted high above the fireplace, there may be better imaging with a bookshelf mounted higher on a stand as opposed to floorstanders. Thoughts?

The pair of Rosenut v5's are still available at A'gon.

Jason

Hmmm....I am wondering after reading about Paradigms if the Titan Monitor V.5 is the best dollar to speaker value Paradigm has. I know the Studio 20 gets great reviews and is amazing...but it does come at a cost. I was thinking about the Monitor 9 or even Monitor 11 (actually a bit over my budget); however, with my TV mounted high above the fireplace, there may be better imaging with a bookshelf mounted higher on a stand as opposed to floorstanders. Thoughts?

I am very happy with my Titans and cc 290. I definitely would have went with 20's if the budget allowed. when you are factoring prices, remember to add the cost of stands with bookshelves to towers. If you are considering 20's, some good deals on v4's can be had if you could find them.

The Titans seem quite similar to the older version 3's.
If so they will sound great especially mated with the cc290.
Add a pair of Atoms for your surrounds...I think they are better than the ADP190's but that is my opinion...and you have a very nice surround system. Add a nice sub and you will have great gear for a long time.

One of the best things about buying quality speakers then upgrading as necessary is that the old ones can always find a new home in a work area, bedroom, office, etc. They never need appear in a garage sale for next to nothing.

Hey Kai, thanks for the helpful information, I appreciate it. I’ll chime in when I get things set up next week, I can't wait!!. Again, thanks for your time sir!!! These speakers sound gorgeous!!!
Regards,
J

Well I finally pulled the trigger and got my new front 3. I had flirted with getting a pair of Studio 10s and a CC-490 but couldn't justify the price. There are other purchases to make as well. I got v6 Atom Monitors and a CC-190. I love them so much. I can't imagine needing anything more. I guess I'm easy to please!

Congrats. I've had that setup in v5 for a little over a year now & I am still amazed at the sound I get...especially considering what they cost.

Congrats. I've had that setup in v5 for a little over a year now & I am still amazed at the sound I get...especially considering what they cost.

Thanks! They sound great to me. I think I would rather spend the difference on room treatments than to buy Studios and listen to them in an untreated room.

Hmmm....I am wondering after reading about Paradigms if the Titan Monitor V.5 is the best dollar to speaker value Paradigm has. I know the Studio 20 gets great reviews and is amazing...but it does come at a cost. I was thinking about the Monitor 9 or even Monitor 11 (actually a bit over my budget); however, with my TV mounted high above the fireplace, there may be better imaging with a bookshelf mounted higher on a stand as opposed to floorstanders. Thoughts?

I have A Pair of Titan's V.4 Front and Back, a CC 170, and a PDR 10. The Titans are killer for two way speakers, they do Highs and Mids very well, having a good sub is really the key. I am really not happy with the PDR 10 and still considering an SVS PC-12 NSD. But I had a listen to all the new monitor's (11's, 9's, 7's V.5) and the timber match is still close to the same. I felt my Titans we just as good only factor would be room size, I actually find the bookshelf speakers cleaner then towers (and I've heard others dispute this as well) but thats a little subjective I think. Overall I think it's hard to find a better bang for your buck then these. As for the Studio 20's I truly find Studio is a step up no matter which model you are looking at, they have a darker cleaner sound that is just much clearer then the monitor series. Their imaging felt night and day to the monitor as well. I have to say I love my titans but I keep looking at moving up, the only problem I have is should I avoid the second coming of upgraditis and get Signatures instead.

I have to say I love my titans but I keep looking at moving up, the only problem I have is should I avoid the second coming of upgraditis and get Signatures instead.

I have beed an avid follower of this thread being a Titan and cc 290 v5 owner myself, and the majority consensus is that the sound quality for price difference is much larger from Monitor to Studio than it is from Studio to Sigs.

I have A Pair of Titan's V.4 Front and Back, a CC 170, and a PDR 10. The Titans are killer for two way speakers, they do Highs and Mids very well, having a good sub is really the key. I am really not happy with the PDR 10 and still considering an SVS PC-12 NSD. But I had a listen to all the new monitor's (11's, 9's, 7's V.5) and the timber match is still close to the same. I felt my Titans we just as good only factor would be room size, I actually find the bookshelf speakers cleaner then towers (and I've heard others dispute this as well) but thats a little subjective I think. Overall I think it's hard to find a better bang for your buck then these. As for the Studio 20's I truly find Studio is a step up no matter which model you are looking at, they have a darker cleaner sound that is just much clearer then the monitor series. Their imaging felt night and day to the monitor as well. I have to say I love my titans but I keep looking at moving up, the only problem I have is should I avoid the second coming of upgraditis and get Signatures instead.

Haha, the "upgraditis" sounds worse than jock itch, but more enjoyable :D

Thanks for the GREAT info! That was exactly the info I was hoping to hear. By description they sound like they would perform perfect for HT with a sub. My dealer acutally told me he can sell me a pair of Monitor 7s and a "matching center" and keep me withing budget (~$1000). This set-up should come in cheaper with the Titans...however, I am curious of the costs of a nice set of stands for them.

Anyone know the differences between the V.5 and the V.6 for the Titans? I found a great used set of v.5 for $350 shipped. Thanks

Anyone know the differences between the V.5 and the V.6 for the Titans? I found a great used set of v.5 for $350 shipped. Thanks

the v6's have a slightly different crossover and are poted front and rear. the v5's are only ported in the front.

I am getting new v6 Titans under warranty (one of my v5's cabinet warped) and was told the v6's will still sonically match my v5 cc 290 no problem.

the v6's have a slightly different crossover and are poted front and rear. the v5's are only ported in the front.

Hmm... The placement of my front L/R will be about only 1 foot from the wall. I wonder if it is better for me to have the v.5 for due to its single front port. Is my rationale wrong in that rear ported speakers require a bit more tuning in regards to its port and the wall.


I am getting new v6 Titans under warranty (one of my v5's cabinet warped).

What the.... :eek::eek::eek:

Is the CC-290 rear ported?

Ya, it was kind of weird but it's covered under warranty so I am happy. Yes the cc 290 is rear ported, but if you don't have the space behind it you could get port plugs ( I guess you could do the same with the Titans if you get v6's)

Hey guys, I've seen suggestions for the Marantz SR6003 to power the CC590, Studio 20s and ADP390s... (still trying to decide on a sub but most people on here seem to like the SVS ones)
What else would you guys recommend that's in the same class/price range as that Marantz? I've been trying to get through the 6003's thread in the amp forum to see whats good/bad about it.

All I've really ever heard of is Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer, Sony and Marantz. In similar price range I'm seeing the SC-05, 2809CI, and maybe the RX-V1900 if I can get a discount. Is there anything else I should be looking at for this setup?

edit - Also, is buying an amp at a local store a better idea than getting it online through 6ave or something like that?

Hey guys, I've seen suggestions for the Marantz SR6003 to power the CC590, Studio 20s and ADP390s... (still trying to decide on a sub but most people on here seem to like the SVS ones)
What else would you guys recommend that's in the same class/price range as that Marantz? I've been trying to get through the 6003's thread in the amp forum to see whats good/bad about it.

All I've really ever heard of is Denon, Yamaha, Pioneer, Sony and Marantz. In similar price range I'm seeing the SC-05, 2809CI, and maybe the RX-V1900 if I can get a discount. Is there anything else I should be looking at for this setup?

edit - Also, is buying an amp at a local store a better idea than getting it online through 6ave or something like that?

Personally, I'd go for the SR5003 (in fact, I did :) ). The 6003 only gives you an extra HDMI output, an extra 10 W/channel, and the USB port. IMO not worth the extra $200. You could also look into the Denon AVR-789 (same as 1909, minus the second remote basically). You could also look into Onkyo or Harmon Kardon receivers, but I'm not too familiar with their product line. The only issue with the Denons I mentioned, is that if you decide you want more power, you'd have to buy a whole new receiver, whereas with the Marantz, you could use the pre-amp outputs to run to a separate amp, while keeping the Marantz receiver around to do all your preamp processing. Also, the Yamaha RX-V665 could be an option. It's also 90 WPC, and looks like it has preamp outputs. I've heard Yamaha's tend to be on the bright side soundwise though, so maybe it's not the best choice to pair with a bright-ish speaker

Marantz stuff tends to be pricey for what you get, but sound-wise it's supposedly one of the better brands you can get as far as midrange receivers go, and like I mentioned, it has preamp outputs if you decide you want a separate power amp in the future..

I ordered my 5003 online, and saved quite a bit off the MSRP.

What type of difference does something like those 10watts make on the paradigms?

lambert,

i was told mine finally shipped yesterday. Dealer expects them tuesday....i should get them by late next week. Have yu heard anything different on yours?

kc

i will call tomorrow hope to get the same answer . Was told on thursday the dealer was contacting paradigm .

Bert

What type of difference does something like those 10watts make on the paradigms?

A better question is whats the difference at 4 ohms.

I’m in the market for some new speakers and I have a couple of questions on what would be the best route to take.

Here is my proposed system (Final Phase)
Fronts: S8’s
Center: C5
Side Surrounds: ADP3’s
Rear Surrounds: S2’s
Sub: Thinking SVS PB13-Ultra
Pre/Pro: Emotiva UMC-1
Amp: Emotiva XPA-1 (x3) for LCR and XPA-5 for surrounds

Now I’m unable to get this all at once, so I’m trying to find a happy medium until I can get there.

Here is what I’m thinking (Phase 1):
Fronts: S8’s
Center: C5
Side Surrounds: M&K Sound SS-150THX Tripoles (currently own)
Rear Surrounds: Nothing
Sub: Nothing (Using S8’s for bass)
Pre/Pro: Emotiva UMC-1
Amp: Emotiva XPA-5 (powering all five speakers)

Now my main question, will the Emotiva XPA-5 have enough power to run the S8’s, C5, and the SS-150’s?

Will the S8’s have enough bass to forgo a sub? (I have a M&K MX-350THX Mk II, but I’d like to keep that in my other theater)

And finally, what should be my Phase 2? Getting the XPA-1 amps for LCR? Getting a sub? Is there something in my setup you would change?

Some additional notes: Room size is 13’ x 32’, listening position is 17’ from back wall, and system use is 60% HT, 30% gaming, and 10% music.

Let me know if I left anything out. Thanks.:)

A better question is whats the difference at 4 ohms.
Hello What is the correct setting with Studio 20's 8 ohms, 6 ohms, or 4?

Leave the amp set at 8 ohms

Wow - quite the coming setup!

Here are my opinions...

1) I would get a sub. SVS PC/PB-Ultra13.

2) XPA-3 or XPA-2 PLUS XPA-5 (more than enough...but if you have the dough and it is not an issue at all why not XPA-1x3...

3) XPA-5 will run things fine...

GL! :D

I’m in the market for some new speakers and I have a couple of questions on what would be the best route to take.

Here is my proposed system (Final Phase)
Fronts: S8’s
Center: C5
Side Surrounds: ADP3’s
Rear Surrounds: S2’s
Sub: Thinking SVS PB13-Ultra
Pre/Pro: Emotiva UMC-1
Amp: Emotiva XPA-1 (x3) for LCR and XPA-5 for surrounds

Now I’m unable to get this all at once, so I’m trying to find a happy medium until I can get there.

Here is what I’m thinking (Phase 1):
Fronts: S8’s
Center: C5
Side Surrounds: M&K Sound SS-150THX Tripoles (currently own)
Rear Surrounds: Nothing
Sub: Nothing (Using S8’s for bass)
Pre/Pro: Emotiva UMC-1
Amp: Emotiva XPA-5 (powering all five speakers)

Now my main question, will the Emotiva XPA-5 have enough power to run the S8’s, C5, and the SS-150’s?

Will the S8’s have enough bass to forgo a sub? (I have a M&K MX-350THX Mk II, but I’d like to keep that in my other theater)

And finally, what should be my Phase 2? Getting the XPA-1 amps for LCR? Getting a sub? Is there something in my setup you would change?

Some additional notes: Room size is 13’ x 32’, listening position is 17’ from back wall, and system use is 60% HT, 30% gaming, and 10% music.

Let me know if I left anything out. Thanks.:)

Wow - quite the coming setup!

Here are my opinions...

1) I would get a sub. SVS PC/PB-Ultra13.

2) XPA-3 or XPA-2 PLUS XPA-5 (more than enough...but if you have the dough and it is not an issue at all why not XPA-1x3...

3) XPA-5 will run things fine...

GL! :D

Thanks! That's good to hear. I might consider a XPA-3 for the LCR instead of three XPA-1's. As long as the XPA-5 will get me by in the mean time, I'll be happy.:D

Also, any preference in a PC or PB for the SVS sub? If needed I can take this to the sub forum.

kc

i will call tomorrow hope to get the same answer . Was told on thursday the dealer was contacting paradigm .

Bert
I just got some more bad news. It turns out the dealer made a wrong assumption. He learned today that the speakers did not ship last Friday. He's now telling me they will ship at the end of this week. I'm getting frustrated. I wish you better luck!

I am intrigued by the cylinder sub. I think it might look pretty neat.

I think they are essentially the same - just about looks really and what you prefer.

The XPA-3 will definitely be fine...I just got an XPA-2 to power my Studio 100s.

I will be adding the XPA-5 later. I liked the extra power and low ohm handling of the XPA-2 and didn't believe there was any real importance on having the center channel on the same amp.

So, my setup when complete will be:

1) Studio 100 fronts
2) Studio 60 rears
3) CC-690 center
4) ADP590 sides
5) XPA-2 (for fronts)
6) XPA-5 (for center/surrounds)
7) some type of pre-pro
8) probably an SVS ultra13

But that isn't until I get into a house...lol!

For now it is Studio 100s/Studio 20s/Millenia 20/DSP3400/XPA-2/Yamaha 3900.

GL with whatever you choose and happy listening!

Thanks! That's good to hear. I might consider a XPA-3 for the LCR instead of three XPA-1's. As long as the XPA-5 will get me by in the mean time, I'll be happy.:D

Also, any preference in a PC or PB for the SVS sub? If needed I can take this to the sub forum.

Leave the amp set at 8 ohmso

Thanks, but my amp only gives you the option of 6 ohms, or 4? I have an Onkyo 705.

Very long shot......

Anyone with a pair of the old style Paradigm Premier J-20 20" 3 Tube Black stands??(old style) Looking to buy a set to match my J-27's :D

Send me a PM! Thanks!!

James

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Thanks, but my amp only gives you the option of 6 ohms, or 4? I have an Onkyo 705.

Before you said you have a 706...in any case, the MANUAL reads leave at 6 ohms for speakers 6-16 ohms.

Before you said you have a 706...in any case, the MANUAL reads leave at 6 ohms for speakers 6-16 ohms.
Thanks for the info. Sorry I cant keep track of what I have these days the receiver was the first to have True Hd and DTS Hd. :D

I just picked up a CC-290 and ran Audyssey from my Denon 2807. It set the crossover at 100hz. Paradigm lists the 290 as ±2 dB from 80 Hz - 20 kHz. Would I be better off with 80hz or even 90hz?

Cross posting from the PSB speaker thread with some edited history...

I had been looking a couple times last week at the PSB Image T65 and Imagine T tower speakers. I had seen Def Tech and Klipsch and didn't care for either of those. At this point I was leaning heavily to the T65, but I wanted to hear more and then visit another store that carried a couple other brands.

--

So...

I listened to the Image T65 and Imagine T towers again today. The Imagines weren't as bad as I thought after hearing them the last time. Much smoother than the T65s, but they were still dark and distant, they had almost no sparkle. T65s were the clear winners.

Until... I went to another store that carried Paradigm. I first asked to see the Monitor series. He had 9s and 11s in stock. The first ones I heard were the 9s and to me they sounded kinda bad. I quickly bumped to the 11s which were OK. Maybe as good as the T65s both with their strengths and weaknesses. The T65s have aggressive sparkly highs, solid bass and decent midrange, but the full spectrum isn't all that smooth, which is to be expected in a budget speaker. The Monitor 11s had good enough highs, not quite as good of bass, but much smoother, however it had an awful bump somewhere around 1000Hz that made them unlistenable. I thought, OK maybe I'm destined for the T65s.

I then went to the other side of the room and saw the Paradigm Studio series all neatly lined up. I knew the Studio 100s were supposed to be amazing, they were a decent amount over budget ($3000 pair), but I wanted to listen anyways. First though the guy let the Studio 60s, the kid brother to the 100s (2 less bass drivers), play and the highs and mids were fantastic. Bass was not great, which I expected due to only having a tweeter, mid cone and a woofer crossed over probably around 1500Hz. I thought OK, here it is the Studio 100s with their extra 2 woofers will totally own my wallet. He switched them on and I felt the buildup just drain from me. They didn't sound 'amazing', merely slightly fuller than the Studio 60s, which was good, but it was still missing quite a bit of sound. So I was about to pack it in and leave when he switched on the Studio 40s which are large bookshelves that I wasn't interested in at all, that is until he turned them on and I collapsed on the couch intently listening to my CD I had brought with me. Now, don't get me wrong the Studio 40s are just like the 60s, but in bookshelf form, so 1 tweeter, 1 mid cone, 1 bass woofer. The bass was similar to the 60s as I expected, but the midrange and highs were absolutely perfect. The entire spectrum the speaker could handle was smooth as glass with great PRaT and crystal clear highs. These combined with a subwoofer would be amazing.

So here we are at the end. Decision made: Paradigm Studio 40.

I didn't buy them on the spot because I wanted to check prices, not that I expect to order online after taking advantage of his store for about an hour today, but to make sure I wasn't paying way over price. He said he had them 'on sale' for $1299 so I'm about to check up on that. I'll be offering to pay him in cash to see if I can get a discount since there's no worries about bad checks or credit card fees.

Hoping to have new speakers tomorrow or next day to go with my vintage Pioneer receiver (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141090) that I picked up fixed and ready to go this morning as well.

Chris
(newest unofficial Paradigm owner)

I have a line a 6 month old 690 or a demo 590. The price for each is fair but I am not sure if the 690 will be overkill for the Studio 40s. Any thoughts?

If you can get the 690 for a good price, I'd go for it. It won't be overkill, and if you move up to a larger speaker in the future (maybe the 100s and move the 40s to the rears), the 690 will hold its own. Also, I'd hate to save a bit on the 590 and then regret not getting the 690...

Jason

Corpfan1 or someone else....

I'm buying a dsp 3400 on friday to finish my system off. What should I expect performance wise? I tried looking for answers in the sub section but all I got was svs fanfare :).

It is very good for me...but I can't crank things - I am in an apartment and have aquariums!

I am a bit scared to crank something like U571 for fear of imploding things...

Sounds good - but I don't have anything else to compare to except a HTIB sub.

Once I get into a house I will crank it and see - if it is not to my liking I will move it to my 2nd system as that is what I am planning anyhow once I get a house with a bigger room.

However, in the store showroom it sounded exquisite.

GL

Corpfan1 or someone else....

I'm buying a dsp 3400 on friday to finish my system off. What should I expect performance wise? I tried looking for answers in the sub section but all I got was svs fanfare :).

The 590 is from a dealer about 30 min utes away and comes with a full warranty. It hasn't been used too much. The 690 is a few hours away and already has some warranty comsumed. The speaker has to go under the plasma (42") so will the 590 look silly under the TV? At 26" the 590 is only slightly wider than the base of the TV.

Go for the 690. It will likely look better under your TV, certainly outperform the 590, and you won't look back.

Jason

Corpfan1 or someone else....

I'm buying a dsp 3400 on friday to finish my system off. What should I expect performance wise? I tried looking for answers in the sub section but all I got was svs fanfare :).
If this is your first good sub it is going to blow your socks off:). But there is always something better.

I just purchased a used some used Paradigm S2,v2 off audiogon. they had their woofers replaced because they were supposedly shipped faulty from the
factory. They sound great until I turn them up very loud (100db at 10 feet) in an 18 x 14 open room. At that level the woofer will sound distorted like a clapping sound on certain passages like drums. Do you think the speakers are still faulty or am I driving them too hard? I am using a denon 989 with preouts going to an adcom 7500 with 150 wpc. I was offered a 30day money back warranty and was wondering if I should use it. Below that threshold they sound great and I would rarely listen at that level.
Thanks

Yes it is my first sub besides htib like corpfan1 said :D.

So excited can't wait! Got transformers and master and commander on bluray waiting ;).

At that level the woofer will sound distorted like a clapping sound on certain passages like drums.
That definitely sounds like clipping, but that surprises me given that you're using a decent amplifier. I'm not intimately familiar with the S2's or your amp, but something's definitely rotten in Denmark. Either try to replicate that (carefully) with another amp or another pair of speakers and see if you can isolate the culprit. Worse case scenario, you return the S2's to the seller.

Good luck!

Jason

Are you running a subwoofer with those S2's... Running them full range with good amp power like you have, they may not be able get as loud as you would like and become overworked quite quickly and be asking too much of them...

Are you running a subwoofer with those S2's... Running them full range with good amp power like you have, they may not be able get as loud as you would like and become overworked quite quickly and be asking too much of them...

Yes, I have 2 hsu vtf3 crossed over at 60hz, I tried 80hz but it made no difference. The sound is exactly like when I first connnected my SA 35 inwalls to hear how they sounded before mounting them in the wall and when I turned them up to loud the woofers fluttered.

Are you running a subwoofer with those S2's... Running them full range with good amp power like you have, they may not be able get as loud as you would like and become overworked quite quickly and be asking too much of them...

Yes, I have 2 hsu vtf3 crossed over at 60hz, I tried 80hz but it made no difference. The sound is exactly like when I first connnected my SA 35 inwalls to hear how they sounded before mounting them in the wall and when I turned them up to loud the woofers fluttered.

Hi, all!

Please take this in the right spirit:

I have been a Paradigm owner for many years. I started with some atoms then moved up to some monitor 7s and then got a Studio v2 set-up for my HT. 40s in front and 20s in back with a CCv2 in the middle. I have had those from 2002 until now.

Now, I know these are great speakers. Very articulate with great highs. Liked them all these years but never loved them. A bit too forward for me, and a bit too bright. Always drove them the best equipment, too.

So I finally decided to upgrade.

Well, I started doing my homework, and it kind of broke my heart as I went through the various Owner's threads (Energy, Paradigm, Dynaudio, Sonus, etc) to see my fellow Paradigm owners chasing after upgrades in the same series instead of looking beyond the familiar and maybe discovering something that might suit *them* better.

I mean, OMG, there are a lot of really excellent speakers out there, with some incredible offerings from Revel, Totem, Dynaudio, Linn, Sonus Faber, Focal and many others. For someone who has only known Paradigm for the last ten years, I was truly blown away....

If you love your Paradigms, stick with them. But if you're constantly looking for improvements through multiple generations of the same product maybe you don't really love the sound after all and should start looking elsewhere, too.

BTW, I ended up with Dynaudios.

Peace.

Hi, all!

Please take this in the right spirit:

I have been a Paradigm owner for many years. I started with some atoms then moved up to some monitor 7s and then got a Studio v2 set-up for my HT. 40s in front and 20s in back with a CCv2 in the middle. I have had those from 2002 until now.

Now, I know these are great speakers. Very articulate with great highs. Liked them all these years but never loved them. A bit too forward for me, and a bit too bright. Always drove them the best equipment, too.

So I finally decided to upgrade.

Well, I started doing my homework, and it kind of broke my heart as I went through the various Owner's threads (Energy, Paradigm, Dynaudio, Sonus, etc) to see my fellow Paradigm owners chasing after upgrades in the same series instead of looking beyond the familiar and maybe discovering something that might suit *them* better.

I mean, OMG, there are a lot of really excellent speakers out there, with some incredible offerings from Revel, Totem, Dynaudio, Linn, Sonus Faber, Focal and many others. For someone who has only known Paradigm for the last ten years, I was truly blown away....

If you love your Paradigms, stick with them. But if you're constantly looking for improvements through multiple generations of the same product maybe you don't really love the sound after all and should start looking elsewhere, too.

BTW, I ended up with Dynaudios.

Peace.
Most of the time in this hobby people just get infected with upgraditis.

Most of the time in this hobby people just get infected with upgraditis.

Yeah, so true!!! it's a never ending quest for the next fix, there is always something better on the horizon.

Nice...

Also check out...

Kill Bill
Crimson Tide
U571
Batmans (of course)
Cars

Enjoy!

Yes it is my first sub besides htib like corpfan1 said :D.

So excited can't wait! Got transformers and master and commander on bluray waiting ;).

What are the best matches to fill in a 5.0 of the Studio line if starting with Studio 40 mains? I prefer direct radiators to dipoles (for surrounds). I was thinking Studio 10s or 20s for surrounds and 590 or 690 center.

Hi, all!

Please take this in the right spirit:

I have been a Paradigm owner for many years. I started with some atoms then moved up to some monitor 7s and then got a Studio v2 set-up for my HT. 40s in front and 20s in back with a CCv2 in the middle. I have had those from 2002 until now.

Now, I know these are great speakers. Very articulate with great highs. Liked them all these years but never loved them. A bit too forward for me, and a bit too bright. Always drove them the best equipment, too.

So I finally decided to upgrade.

Well, I started doing my homework, and it kind of broke my heart as I went through the various Owner's threads (Energy, Paradigm, Dynaudio, Sonus, etc) to see my fellow Paradigm owners chasing after upgrades in the same series instead of looking beyond the familiar and maybe discovering something that might suit *them* better.

I mean, OMG, there are a lot of really excellent speakers out there, with some incredible offerings from Revel, Totem, Dynaudio, Linn, Sonus Faber, Focal and many others. For someone who has only known Paradigm for the last ten years, I was truly blown away....

If you love your Paradigms, stick with them. But if you're constantly looking for improvements through multiple generations of the same product maybe you don't really love the sound after all and should start looking elsewhere, too.

BTW, I ended up with Dynaudios.

Peace.

Eventually, I may upgrade, and may move to another brand. But the front speakers in my HT are a pair of Paradigm Model 9se (they weren't even called "Monitor 9" yet) that I bought in 1991. After 18 years, they still sound better than anything I have listened to since. I guess some things really do get better with age....

i just got some more bad news. It turns out the dealer made a wrong assumption. He learned today that the speakers did not ship last friday. He's now telling me they will ship at the end of this week. I'm getting frustrated. I wish you better luck!

kc

forgive the caps ?

I got the call today , my 100's shipped i will see them next week , i hope , i made the dealer promise me if i didn't get them by next saturday i get the s6's he was going to lend me , to keep . We will see all so soon , can't wait .

Bert

Thanks for the reply!

I'm just curious to know: If the Monitor 5s can go down to let's day 50Hz with no dips, what is the advantage of sending the sound below 80Hz to the subwoofer instead?

Thanks!


Lots, the biggies in my book are:

It reduces load on the AVR as the sub amp is doing the heavy lifting.

It reduces the excursion of the drivers in the main speakers, letting them reproduce the upper frequencies more linearly (lower distortion)

You can position the sub optimally in the room for bass reproduction, not constrained by the locations for stereo imaging

So I got a good deal on Monitor 11s v4 (from Monitor 5 v4s) recently and also got a PS1000 v4instead of the PDR-10 v3.

So now I have the same question... should I still set the crossover to 80hz for the monitor 11s, knowing they can get into the 30s range?

Also, this is my first subwoofer with a phase knob... is there a common safe setting for this or should I just run through Avia?

Thanks!

So I got a good deal on Monitor 11s v4 (from Monitor 5 v4s) recently and also got a PS1000 v4instead of the PDR-10 v3.

So now I have the same question... should I still set the crossover to 80hz for the monitor 11s, knowing they can get into the 30s range?

Also, this is my first subwoofer with a phase knob... is there a common safe setting for this or should I just run through Avia?

Thanks!

You have to play with the crossover settings but somewhere from 60 to 80hz
works for most people and one of the main reasons even though your mains
can go lower is the fact a sub 99% of the time can do it far better than the
mains and it takes the strain off the rec/amp while making the midbass tighter. The phase is placement and room sensitive another adjustment that
will have to be tried once set up and yes using the test disc and a db meter is recommended.

Nice...

Also check out...

Kill Bill
Crimson Tide
U571
Batmans (of course)
Cars

Enjoy!

Also

Band of Brothers (DTS)
Fight Club
Iron Man
LOTR

And lots more, but these will definitely get your system a workout

They sound great until I turn them up very loud (100db at 10 feet) in an 18 x 14 open room. At that level the woofer will sound distorted like a clapping sound on certain passages like drums. Do you think the speakers are still faulty or am I driving them too hard?
Thanks

I set up my S2v2's, stereo mode,crossed them over at 60hz, driven with a 200wpc Adcom GFA-555 amp. Plenty of cone movement but no sound like you describe. Was it some transient peak that might have over driven your amp? What were you playing to push these to 100db at 10ft? That's a tall order. I abused mine with Tool's Undertow album, and some cuts from Jeff Beck's new blue ray of Performing This Week...Live At Ronnie Scotts. Even played full range they passed. My ears however prefer larger speakers at that volume.

What are the best matches to fill in a 5.0 of the Studio line if starting with Studio 40 mains? I prefer direct radiators to dipoles (for surrounds). I was thinking Studio 10s or 20s for surrounds and 590 or 690 center.

I recently added the Studio Esprits for surrounds as they are wall mountable and couldn't be happier. Just throwing another option out there.....

I just purchased a used some used Paradigm S2,v2 off audiogon. they had their woofers replaced because they were supposedly shipped faulty from the
factory. They sound great until I turn them up very loud (100db at 10 feet) in an 18 x 14 open room. At that level the woofer will sound distorted like a clapping sound on certain passages like drums. Do you think the speakers are still faulty or am I driving them too hard? I am using a denon 989 with preouts going to an adcom 7500 with 150 wpc. I was offered a 30day money back warranty and was wondering if I should use it. Below that threshold they sound great and I would rarely listen at that level.
Thanks

You're either clipping the amplifier, or you're running out of excursion on the midbass woofers. The only way to really test it is to hook up another set of S2s (I know probably hard to do).

However, given the fact the speakers sound great at anything but super high volume, I'd guess the speaker itself is OK. The preout level on receivers can be pretty low, leading to the amplifier clipping earlier than it should.

Why don't you hook the speakers up to your receiver and see what happens?

Also

Band of Brothers (DTS)
Fight Club
Iron Man
LOTR

And lots more, but these will definitely get your system a workout

Sounds great guys. I got about 300 DVDs so I'm prolly gonna be driving the gf crazy re-watching them all ;).

Another question is it a waste to still bi-amp my mains with the new sub?

Sounds great guys. I got about 300 DVDs so I'm prolly gonna be driving the gf crazy re-watching them all ;).

Another question is it a waste to still bi-amp my mains with the new sub?

Short answer yes.

I have asked this in the past, but did not get a direct comparison.

Has anyone had the opportunity to compare the Monitor TITANS to any of its larger Monitor brothers (7,9,11)?? The price margin is so close to Titans on stands compared to Monitor 7s.

Short answer yes.


Thx oztech.....I won't be using the other 2 channels, but I guess it just adds more of a load to the amp right?

Thx oztech.....I won't be using the other 2 channels, but I guess it just adds more of a load to the amp right?

The only way I have heard a difference with bi-amping was with 2 independent amps with an electronic crossover and the speakers crossover
removed and adjusted correctly not an easy task and really not worth the money spent IMO.

The new Monitor Titans ought to be very close to the Monitor 7's. I test drove a pair of 7's for 3 days in a side by side test with my Monitor 3's and during tv viewing I noticed no difference between them but during music listening in either stereo mode or pure direct the 7's had a bit more head room in the upper mid range while the 3's were able to go a bit lower in the bass range. The 3's have a 7 1/2" bass driver while the 7's have twin 5 1/2" bass drivers and the difference is noticeable.

Were it me I would probably leave the 7's alone if it were between the Titans and 7's. But I would definately go for the 9's or like I did buy the 11's and live in audio nirvana...until the next wave of audio flu hits hehehe.

I will do that this weekend. Now that I think about it the volume level is higher when using the pre-outs to the adcom. A level of -6 with the pre-outs to adcom is about the same volume level as 0 using the denons amp. I also have an adcom 555 and 600 pre-amp I will connect and try that.

I haven’t been keeping up on the changes to the Paradigm range for the last couple years, so I am trying to get back up to speed.

One question, is the “monitor” series the old “performance” series? I mean, weren’t the Atoms and Titans part of the performance series back a couple years ago and now they are being called the “monitor” series?

And wasn’t the “Mini Monitor” smaller than the “Atom” back in the day?

Was the monitor series *substantially* improved upon as part of this name change, or just the normal updates/cosmetic changes that normally accompanied version changes?

Just curious. Would appreciate someone filling me in on the changes that have occurred over the last couple years, more so to keep me from thinking my mind is going on the blink. :o

-Suntan

I haven’t been keeping up on the changes to the Paradigm range for the last couple years, so I am trying to get back up to speed.

One question, is the “monitor” series the old “performance” series? I mean, weren’t the Atoms and Titans part of the performance series back a couple years ago and now they are being called the “monitor” series?

And wasn’t the “Mini Monitor” smaller than the “Atom” back in the day?

Was the monitor series *substantially* improved upon as part of this name change, or just the normal updates/cosmetic changes that normally accompanied version changes?

Just curious. Would appreciate someone filling me in on the changes that have occurred over the last couple years, more so to keep me from thinking my mind is going on the blink. :o

-Suntan

I always thought the Atom was the smallest and over the years the cabinets,
drivers and crossovers have changed along with price.

I always thought the Atom was the smallest and over the years the cabinets,
drivers and crossovers have changed along with price.

Perhaps you are right. Was there a “Mini Monitor” in the “Studio” line? Or perhaps it was that the Mini Monitor was positioned between the Atom and the Titan, but most people thought it was a bit unneeded, suggesting to either go up to the Titan or down to the Atom… Somehow I have the memory that the Mini Monitor was not a very prominent speaker in the lineup?

Don’t know, maybe I am going crazy.

-Suntan

OK, could use folks advice for a possible subwoofer upgrade....

My current setup is. Paradigm Studio 40v4, 590v4, Emotiva surrounds. Pushing them with the Emotiva 7ch power amp. Using the Integra 9.9Pre/Pro. Current sub is the Paradigm DSP3200. Room isn't too big. About 13x15.

Thinking about an upgrade in the sub department.....not necessarily looking to stay with Paradigm. I've had an SVS in the past.

Suggestions for this system? What would YOU get? Looking for input.

Thanks!!!

Ron

Perhaps you are right. Was there a “Mini Monitor” in the “Studio” line? Or perhaps it was that the Mini Monitor was positioned between the Atom and the Titan, but most people thought it was a bit unneeded, suggesting to either go up to the Titan or down to the Atom… Somehow I have the memory that the Mini Monitor was not a very prominent speaker in the lineup?

Don’t know, maybe I am going crazy.

-Suntan

The major claim that the Atom had and still has is price to performance ratio
very hard to beat.

I haven’t been keeping up on the changes to the Paradigm range for the last couple years, so I am trying to get back up to speed.

One question, is the “monitor” series the old “performance” series? I mean, weren’t the Atoms and Titans part of the performance series back a couple years ago and now they are being called the “monitor” series?

And wasn’t the “Mini Monitor” smaller than the “Atom” back in the day?

Was the monitor series *substantially* improved upon as part of this name change, or just the normal updates/cosmetic changes that normally accompanied version changes?

Just curious. Would appreciate someone filling me in on the changes that have occurred over the last couple years, more so to keep me from thinking my mind is going on the blink. :o

-Suntan

Not so sure about the changes, but I can give you a quick recap of their current model line:

Monitor Series v.6: Atom - Mini - Titan - 7 - 9 - 11
(5.5" bookshelf, 6.5" bookshelf, 7.5" bookshelf, 5.5" tower, 6.5" tower, 7.5" tower) - all Monitor towers have 2 bass drivers
CC-190, 290, 390
ADP-190, 390

Reference Studio v.5: 10 - 20 - 60 - 100
(5.5" bookshelf, 7" bookshelf, 5.5" tower w/ 2 bass drivers, 7" tower w/ 3 bass drivers)
CC-490, 590, 690
ADP-590

Reference Signature v.2: S1 - S2 - S4 - S6 - S8
(5.5" bookshelf, 7" bookshelf, 7" 3-way bookshelf, 7" tower w/ 2 bass drivers, 7" tower w/ 4 bass drivers)
C1, 3, 5
ADP1, 3

Plus they've got the in-wall stuff, and the Cinema and Millenia series, but I don't really pay attention to those; I kind of consider them outside of their "core" product lineup.

I have V.4 Titans performance series V.5 became Monitor series. From what I understand Performance became Monitor.

Hello all - I ended up getting the CC590 last night. Hooked it right away and I am blown away by the hole I previously had running without a CC for the last 3 months. I watched some HD NHL, Criminal Minds (5.1), and Quantum Solace. I finished off with the Eagles Greatest Hits in 5.1 and was very impressed here as well. And it looks right at home under the plasma. I received a thumbs up from my wife on the visual appeal.

Perhaps you are right. Was there a “Mini Monitor” in the “Studio” line? Or perhaps it was that the Mini Monitor was positioned between the Atom and the Titan, but most people thought it was a bit unneeded, suggesting to either go up to the Titan or down to the Atom… Somehow I have the memory that the Mini Monitor was not a very prominent speaker in the lineup?

Don’t know, maybe I am going crazy.

-Suntan

The Atom and Titan were moved up the Monitor line and the Permformance line was dropped.

Hey guys, I've done some searching and found some results, but I wanted to post here to see what you guys thought.

I currently have a Millenia 200/20 system complete with Millenia ADP surrounds. I've become interested in the v.5 Studio 60's with matching center (690 or 590 depending on costs). I've contacted my dealer, got pricing, and was wondering from you guys' experience, what kind of difference can I expect?

I know the characteristics of the Millenia from having owned them from about a year now, but are the Studio 60's what you consider worth the step up? Like in an immediate, "wow," kind of way? They're not in a showroom anywhere near, so it'll probably be a blind upgrade.

They're run through a Marantz SR8002 with a SVS PB13 Ultra, fyi.

Thanks, guys!

Personally, I'd be a bit hesitant to drop that kind of money without carefully auditioning the speakers first (though I've done just that on a pair of Dali Euphonias). Also, I'm not sure how much of an upgrade there'll be moving from the Millennias...don't get me wrong, I'm sure you'd like the 60s and my guess is that they'll be worthy of the upgrade, but I think I'd want to be sure first.

Good luck!

Jason

I agree that you should definitely demo first. However, when I demoed the two side by side, I immediately noted that there was no competition between the product lines. Huge difference for me.

Hey guys, I've done some searching and found some results, but I wanted to post here to see what you guys thought.

I currently have a Millenia 200/20 system complete with Millenia ADP surrounds. I've become interested in the v.5 Studio 60's with matching center (690 or 590 depending on costs). I've contacted my dealer, got pricing, and was wondering from you guys' experience, what kind of difference can I expect?

I know the characteristics of the Millenia from having owned them from about a year now, but are the Studio 60's what you consider worth the step up? Like in an immediate, "wow," kind of way? They're not in a showroom anywhere near, so it'll probably be a blind upgrade.

They're run through a Marantz SR8002 with a SVS PB13 Ultra, fyi.

Thanks, guys!even the monitor 11's are a step up from the millenia 200/300. the studio 60's/100's will blow you away.

Yeah, the auditioning thing part does make me a little hesitant. I think I might be able to listen to one of the Studio bookshelves, but not the 60's.

And the sentiment that you guys share (the no comparison thing) seems to be what I'm finding across the board.

I'd love to see what the system does with speakers that don't tend to lean harsh with brighter material. It seems the 60's could be the ticket with a fuller, more rounded sound. Nevertheless, this continues to pique my interest.

Anybody else with any thoughts?

Yeah, the auditioning thing part does make me a little hesitant. I think I might be able to listen to one of the Studio bookshelves, but not the 60's.

And the sentiment that you guys share (the no comparison thing) seems to be what I'm finding across the board.

I'd love to see what the system does with speakers that don't tend to lean harsh with brighter material. It seems the 60's could be the ticket with a fuller, more rounded sound. Nevertheless, this continues to pique my interest.

Anybody else with any thoughts?
dont make the mistake i did. Never audition speakers out of your price range:)

I haven’t been keeping up on the changes to the Paradigm range for the last couple years, so I am trying to get back up to speed.

One question, is the “monitor” series the old “performance” series? I mean, weren’t the Atoms and Titans part of the performance series back a couple years ago and now they are being called the “monitor” series?

Paradigm discontinued the Performance series after v.4 or some might say combined the Performance Series with the Monitor Series. Starting with v.5 and the current v.6, the Atom and Titan names were incorporated into the Monitor Series and hence the revised names Atom Monitor and Titan Monitor.

And wasn’t the “Mini Monitor” smaller than the “Atom” back in the day?

No. You might be thinking of the Micro which was smaller than the Atom and was part of the Performance Series. In terms of size, it was the Micro, Atom, Titan and then Focus in the Performance series bookshelf speakers. The Mini-Monitor was the smallest in the Monitor series up to v.4. Starting with v5, the Atoms are the smallest speaker in the Monitor line, followed by the Mini-Monitor, and then the Titan. The v5 and v6 Atoms are slightly larger (taller and deeper) than its prior versions while the Mini-Monitor is slightly smaller than the prior versions.

Was the monitor series *substantially* improved upon as part of this name change, or just the normal updates/cosmetic changes that normally accompanied version changes?

Just curious. Would appreciate someone filling me in on the changes that have occurred over the last couple years, more so to keep me from thinking my mind is going on the blink. :o

-Suntan

The changes starting with v5 were both technical improvements and cosmetic changes. The Monitor Series inherited some technology from the Reference line and speakers were generally made more efficient to play louder without needing more power. Cosmetic improvements included new color options and removable grills (not previously available on the Atoms and Titans). The v6 is essentially the same technology as the v5 but with tweaked cross-overs, redesigned magnetic grils and nickel plated screws to provide a more high-end look.

dont make the mistake i did. Never audition speakers out of your price range:)

Thanks, but I wouldn't be considering them if I couldn't afford them. ;)

Thanks, but I wouldn't be considering them if I couldn't afford them. ;)if you can afford the 100's, cc690, adp590, 10's for rears then go for it. im saying Just dont go listening to any Sig's. plus what Pre pro did you audition the 100's on? to get the full potenional out of this speaker system you will need a Anthem 50V or a D2v pre pro, and a Rotel 1085 class D amp(to save money and get your feet wet) or any of the Anthem Amps(I perfer Anthem).

if you can afford the 100's, cc690, adp590, 10's for rears then go for it. im saying Just dont go listening to any Sig's. plus what Pre pro did you audition the 100's on? to get the full potenional out of this speaker system you will need a Anthem 50V or a D2v pre pro, and a class D amp.

Hey man, I think you might have me mixed up with another poster... I'm currently looking at the Studio 60's (maybe the 100's -- still in the research phase), and in a location I can't easily audition any of them. That's why I'm fielding as many opinions as I can to get a sense of how people feel about them as compared to my current Millenia setup. So far the answers are encouraging.

And I totally understand the Signature thing... what is it, ignorance is bliss? :) :cool:

Hey man, I think you might have me mixed up with another poster... I'm currently looking at the Studio 60's (maybe the 100's -- still in the research phase), and in a location I can't easily audition any of them. That's why I'm fielding as many opinions as I can to get a sense of how people feel about them as compared to my current Millenia setup. So far the answers are encouraging.

And I totally understand the Signature thing... what is it, ignorance is bliss? :) :cool:ok now i understand :) the 60's/cc590 will blow your socks off compared to the millenia 200. And yes ignorance is bliss(its too late for me but you can save yourself :) ). the Signature/Anthem setup is the diference between watching a movie and being in the movie.

I think reading this thread is getting expensive because I seem to have convinced myself that I need studio 60 fronts (instead of 20s). Visiting a dealer yesterday didn't help either since they look and sound (to my untrained ear) awesome. Does anyone have studio 60 v5 fronts and cc 690 center? Does the cc 690 match the studio 60s well, both visually and sonically? Or is it too overpowering? Pictures would be great too.

I think reading this thread is getting expensive because I seem to have convinced myself that I need studio 60 fronts (instead of 20s). Visiting a dealer yesterday didn't help either since they look and sound (to my untrained ear) awesome. Does anyone have studio 60 v5 fronts and cc 690 center? Does the cc 690 match the studio 60s well, both visually and sonically? Or is it too overpowering? Pictures would be great too.


There is no such thing as overpowering, only SQ....

All these speakers are voice matched to work perfectly and sound perfectly with each other, whether it be the 590 or 690 paired with the 20's 60's or 100's, thats the point of staying in the same line for proper and seemless front stage..... Upon arrival, you will set each speaker to the exact SPL with a meter, even though most receivers have an auto setup, I suggest that you have an SPL meter to double check the level.... Auto setups are not always perfect and you should have the tools to assure proper configuration. You then therefore should have the same output or SPL from each speaker.

Both the 590 and the 690 are voice matched to the entire Studio line and will integrate perfectly with what ever L or R you choose... :)

Hey all,

Well I finally bought my dsp 3400 and harmony one Friday night, and am completly amazed. LOL the gf already hates it, but she'll learn to live with it ;). I haven't had much time to do any tweaking, and was hoping I could get a few suggestions from you guys...

1). The auto speaker setup on my yamaha a/v sets the mains to large and all others to small. Should these be set to small as well, and I'll add I'm bi-amping them.
2). It sets the crossover to 200 which I know is way to high. Is 80 the general recommendation?
3). For running the test the a/v manual says to set the sub at the highest crossover setting, and the gain to a little below half. Is there a better way to do this, and a recommendation for sub gain opposed to a/v gain?

For the guy considering the studio 60's...I listened to them in a 2 channel setup powered by seperate pre/pro's. This was in a dedicated sound room and they sounded beautiful.

Thanks Warpdrv,

Since my system will probably be used about 95% for HT I'm sure I would never regret getting the cc690. It's really not that much more expensive either. I wish the dealer had one in stock so I could have seen it next to the studio 60s. From the specs, it sounds enormous.

if you can afford the 100's, cc690, adp590, 10's for rears then go for it. im saying Just dont go listening to any Sig's. plus what Pre pro did you audition the 100's on? to get the full potenional out of this speaker system you will need a Anthem 50V or a D2v pre pro, and a class D amp.

A P2/P5/A2/A5 would also be fine. It doesn't *require* a D amp.

Also, the Denon AVP1 is pretty close to the 50v in terms of sound quality with the Sigs/Studios.

The D2v is certainly a step up in sound quality in a lot of ways, but a lot like fine wine, where it might be hard for many to appreciate or care.

A P2/P5/A2/A5 would also be fine. It doesn't *require* a D amp.

Also, the Denon AVP1 is pretty close to the 50v in terms of sound quality with the Sigs/Studios.

The D2v is certainly a step up in sound quality in a lot of ways, but a lot like fine wine, where it might be hard for many to appreciate or care.i was actualy thinking of the rotel 7 channel amp($1000) to save money. any of the anthem amps will do just fine, but you have to spend the bucks.

Hi nucl3,
Regarding your sub/863 I would start with the recommended settings then make adjustments and choose the settings that are the most pleasing to your ears. YPAO is not the end all to room setup and sometimes running it again will provide different results. The recommendation is to set the crossover on the sub to max and let the receiver do the adjusting. 200 may be a bit high, the usual is 80, but perhaps for the room acoustics and sub it works...again try another crossover then use some good movie/song material to test the settings and change until you are pleased with the results.

I currently have my fronts set as large and the rest set at small with the crossover at 80 for my system. I have tried small/large for the fronts and "at the moment" lol prefer large. If I were bi-amping I would do the same.

I suggest you put a list of your gear in your "user cp" "about me", details, etc. It makes it easier when we can see what you have when offering suggestions. Pics are also very useful.
I have the H1 too, for well over a year now, and absolutely love it. I especially love changing the colors, etc. because it makes my wife a bit crazy and that is priceless...just last night she said "did you change the remote? It took me a few minutes to figure it out again." hehehe priceless...she hit me with a pillow when I started chuckling...again priceless.

Good luck and keep us informed.

updated my details and thx kai....