Don't rule out the 690 if you have the space and $$. I have 40s and a 690 (all v4) upfront on my system(20s in the rear, with a Servo v1 on the front left/right through a SMS1, and a Sig Servo on LFE), and it's reaaaal nice! It(the 690) IS one big speaker for a center, though...

One of the main reasons I chose the 690 over the 590 (all v5 here) was the price difference. It was only $200 more for me to upgrade, which is either a good deal for the 690, or it makes the 590 seem a bit overpriced.

However, I agree that the 690 is a BIG speaker. Not everyone will have room for it. When deciding, do your research and double check your measurment!

Mike Bradson,

Really nice setup. I don't think I can help you with your sound issues. I auditioned the 590 at a dealer and I thought it sounded good, but never was able to do a side by side comparison. But from what the other posts are saying, it may be worthwhile to try the room treatments. Probably the cheapest thing to try first!

If you're in Ontario then you could try East Hamilton Radio. They had a demo for 600 bucks back in April. The other place I called was Live Wire in Windsor. They had a demo for $750. The other place you might try is Gibby's in St. Catherines.

Awesome, thanks for the suggestions. Why don't you sell me yours? I hear the CC-690 is a really good upgrade... ;););)

With the SC-07 can you add an amp to it at a later date to drive the mains as a way to stay in budget now? A two or three channel amp would be fine upgrade at some point to drive the fronts.

As for the sub you did not say what size the room is but take a look at the Velodyne SPL series.

My main listening area is about 14x27x7 (only 7' ceilings) (about 2600 cu. ft.) but towards the back, it opens up in an L shape to an additional 1200-1400 cu. ft. The floor is carpet over concrete (so maybe not down firing for sub???). There is plenty of soft seating and sound panels and curtains on much of the walls, but two of the walls are plaster and the rest drywall. My possible placement locations are front rt. and rear left (or in far rear anywhere). Size is not a significant constraint.

Well, I just picked up new mains and center:

- Monitor 7 v6

- CC-190 v6

I'll know more after a few days of setup/calibrating over this long weekend. These should be a big jump up from the HTD Level Two bookshelves I am coming from.



Tim

Just want to thank everyone for their help and advice.

Last night I picked up a pair of Paradigm Studio 40 v4 and a pair of Studio 20 v4s for my home theatre. I did not yet get a centre channel as the dealer only had CC-590 v5 and I really want the v4 version, so I am on the hunt.

I also need to find a wall mount speaker bracket for the Studio 20s - they are heavy - ~22lbs each, which seems to limit my choices somewhat. ANyone care to share links to wall mount brackets they've used?

I am going to make my own front stands for the Studio 40s so will be trolling the DIY threads for ideas....

Just want to thank everyone for their help and advice.

Last night I picked up a pair of Paradigm Studio 40 v4 and a pair of Studio 20 v4s for my home theatre. I did not yet get a centre channel as the dealer only had CC-590 v5 and I really want the v4 version, so I am on the hunt.

I also need to find a wall mount speaker bracket for the Studio 20s - they are heavy - ~22lbs each, which seems to limit my choices somewhat. ANyone care to share links to wall mount brackets they've used?

I am going to make my own front stands for the Studio 40s so will be trolling the DIY threads for ideas....

As for finding a V4 Center try looking at www.canuckaudiomart.com they have used Paradigm come and go there.

As for wall mount bookshelf brackets I would consider the B-Tech 77's
http://www.sonicboomaudio.com/btech-bt77-side-grip-speaker-brackets-p-22.html
They can handle the weight.

shrabok is correct, don't even consider using another wall mount bracket, the B-Tech's are the best out there and work perfect for the Studio 20's...

Keep an eye on Audiogon.com and Videogon.com as well as Ebay for the CC, they do come up when people upgrade

I wanted the v4 590 because it was flat and cheaper than a v5 model.

Does anyone know if the V4 590 has a slope to the top that tapers down towards the rear, or is it perfectly flat?

I'd like to get the 590 but it's a large speaker and depending on whether it slopes down it may not work for me. So I was also looking at the Monitor CC 190 (which still is a little too deep but I could probably make it work) and the Cinema series center channel speakers. Any of the Cinema series would fit well including the Cinema 330. But would the sound be a night-and-day difference between the Cinema 330 vs. the CC-190? Would I be well advised to steer clear of the Cinema series or are they actually pretty good sounding centers?

The 590 is flat top.... Do you or don't you need the slope...?

If you need the slope get the .v5 590, if you don't get the .v4 590...

I didn't care much for the Cinema series... there were pretty thin sounding...

I didn't care much for the Cinema series... there were pretty thin sounding...

That's what I was afraid of. What about the monitor series? Yeah, I need the slope in order for it to fit in my stand underneath my TV. Ideally I'd like to set it on top of the stand in front of my TV but that's not gona happen (only the Cinema series would work that way). My only other choice is mounting it to the wall above the TV. Then the 590 would work but I'd need a heavy-duty mount for sure.

What are you running for main speakers...?

You should be matching your Center channel sonically with your mains for a seemless soundstage Left Center Right...

My mains are a pair of Paradigm Export Monitors. They've been discontinued by Paradigm quite a while ago. However, at the time they were in production, their Monitor series was one of their TOTL speaker series. Now the Monitor line is their budget series. I contacted Paradigm and was informed that the Studio series would match up sonically to my Export Monitors.

Eventually I'd like to get a pair of Studio 20's and move the Export Monitors to rear surround duty. But that would be contingent on the 20's actually outperforming my Export Monitors, which sound excellent.

My mains are a pair of Paradigm Export Monitors. They've been discontinued by Paradigm quite a while ago. However, at the time they were in production, their Monitor series was one of their TOTL speaker series. Now the Monitor line is their budget series. I contacted Paradigm and was informed that the Studio series would match up sonically to my Export Monitors.

Eventually I'd like to get a pair of Studio 20's and move the Export Monitors to rear surround duty. But that would be contingent on the 20's actually outperforming my Export Monitors, which sound excellent.

Only way to find out is to give the 20s a listen. Find a dealer that will let you take a pair home. See if you can get a pair Saturday night when they close and return them Monday when they open. Gives you Sat. night to set them up and all day Sun. to listen to them.

does it really make a diffence if I bring 2 wires from the Receiver and do a biwireing. presently I use gage 12 for my speakers. tia

does it really make a diffence if I bring 2 wires from the Receiver and do a biwireing. presently I use gage 12 for my speakers. tia

Try it and see if you can hear a difference. In my opinion you won't, but until you try, that nagging question will always be in the back of your mind.

does it really make a diffence if I bring 2 wires from the Receiver and do a biwireing. presently I use gage 12 for my speakers. tia

No, absolutely none at all.

Electricity is electricity, and 12AWG is more than enough thickness to carry the complete electrical signal, unless you're running like 1000 feet.

All bi-wiring does is increase the effective AWG, which at 12AWG is completely unnecessary.

Try it and see if you can hear a difference. In my opinion you won't, but until you try, that nagging question will always be in the back of your mind.

I have about 12ft of wire from speakers to receivers.

I just realized that there is gold plated metal piece that connects both red to red and black to black poles.
so its like its already doing bi-wireing. So whats the joke then about biwireing. Its already doing by itself

I have about 12ft of wire from speakers to receivers.

I just realized that there is gold plated metal piece that connects both red to red and black to black poles.
so its like its already doing bi-wireing. So whats the joke then about biwireing. Its already doing by itself

Biwiring is pointless.

That little plate is for passive bi-amping, which is also pointless. You take off the plate, and connect each crossover of the the speaker to a separate amp, producing identical sound but using twice the amps.

In any case, just run one 12AWG wire and you'll be perfect. There's nothing you can do on the wiring side to get any better sound. Focus on upgrading your amp/pre-pro for the next step in sound.

Biwiring is pointless.

That little plate is for passive bi-amping, which is also pointless. You take off the plate, and connect each crossover of the the speaker to a separate amp, producing identical sound but using twice the amps.

In any case, just run one 12AWG wire and you'll be perfect. There's nothing you can do on the wiring side to get any better sound. Focus on upgrading your amp/pre-pro for the next step in sound.


thanks for the clearing.

I live in a condo, so I can't blast my hometheater like I would like. Although floors are cement and walls are cement blocks, my neighbor whose head bed is just where my subwoofer is, feels all the ratling to the point they thought they were having a nightmare.:)

What would be the benefit of the amp/pre-pro with my Denon 1910 and how much does it cost. This is a bit new to me. tia

I have about 12ft of wire from speakers to receivers.

I just realized that there is gold plated metal piece that connects both red to red and black to black poles.
so its like its already doing bi-wiring. So whats the joke then about bowering. Its already doing by itself

Welcome to the hobby!

See post by AbMagFab

Just know that the great thing about this hobby is you get to do what sounds best for you in your home in your room. Everyone will tell you what you can or cannot hear and what is scientific "fact" and what is not. But the bottom line is it's your money and your ears do what ever you like that makes you happy.

As I stated in my post, in my opinion it doesn't make a difference, but if you have the extra wire laying around then do it and let your own ears be the judge. I'll never tell anyone what they can or cannot hear.

I the words of the the great George K

"It's not a lie if you believe it to be true." :D

So by all means try what ever you can afford to try and see for yourself if it makes a difference to you.

As for upgrading your Denon to a separate pre/pro and amp, you should hear a difference in sound quality if the pre/pro has a better processor/dacs in it compared to your Denon.

Welcome to the hobby!

See post by AbMagFab

Just know that the great thing about this hobby is you get to do what sounds best for you in your home in your room. Everyone will tell you what you can or cannot hear and what is scientific "fact" and what is not. But the bottom line is it's your money and your ears do what ever you like that makes you happy.

As I stated in my post, in my opinion it doesn't make a difference, but if you have the extra wire laying around then do it and let your own ears be the judge. I'll never tell anyone what they can or cannot hear.

I the words of the the great George K

"It's not a lie if you believe it to be true." :D

So by all means try what ever you can afford to try and see for yourself if it makes a difference to you.

As for upgrading your Denon to a separate pre/pro and amp, you should hear a difference in sound quality if the pre/pro has a better processor/dacs in it compared to your Denon.

I appreciate your diplomacy, except in this case it is fact. You can measure the differences (or lack thereof), both in the delivered electricity, as well as the resulting sound.

Biwiring is pointless and useless. Passive Biamping is also pointless and useless (except in some fringe cases, which are exceedingly rare).

I appreciate your diplomacy, except in this case it is fact. You can measure the differences (or lack thereof), both in the delivered electricity, as well as the resulting sound.

Biwiring is pointless and useless. Passive Biamping is also pointless and useless (except in some fringe cases, which are exceedingly rare).

:)

I agree you can measure the delivered electricity without question. The resulting sound, who really knows? Every ear and brain is different and how it ultimately translates sound right or wrong.

While I agree with you and I can't hear a difference I won't tell someone else what they are or are not hearing. :)

:)

i agree you can measure the delivered electricity without question. The resulting sound, who really knows? Every ear and brain is different and how it ultimately translates sound right or wrong.

While i agree with you and i can't hear a difference i won't tell someone else what they are or are not hearing. :)

+1

It is a shame that there are a lot of people on this forum that believe they need to tell people what they can hear. I always say try it for yourself and judge with your ears. If the speaker has two binding posts and you have extra wire try it and see. If you hear no difference at least you know for sure.

It is a shame that there are a lot of people on this forum that believe they need to tell people what they can hear. I always say try it for yourself and judge with your ears. If the speaker has two binding posts and you have extra wire try it and see. If you hear no difference at least you know for sure.

Because some things are facts. It's irrational to think that everything is open to debate or opinion. In this case, all of these things can be objectively measured, and proven to be unaltered in any way (no matter what someone thinks they do or don't hear).

There are laws of physics involved here.

Would you say we should just let people go on thinking that "orange" looks like "blue"? Or that gravity is pretend? Or instead, should we try to help people understand what is proven fact versus what isn't?

In the end, people (adults) are always able to do what they want in the face of facts, but that's what evolution is all about...

Back to the topic - biwiring does nothing but increase the effective AWG of the wire. 12AWG over 12 feet is already substantially more AWG than what you need, so biwiring will do absolutely nothing.

Because some things are facts. It's irrational to think that everything is open to debate or opinion. In this case, all of these things can be objectively measured, and proven to be unaltered in any way (no matter what someone thinks they do or don't hear).

There are laws of physics involved here.

Would you say we should just let people go on thinking that "orange" looks like "blue"? Or that gravity is pretend? Or instead, should we try to help people understand what is proven fact versus what isn't?

In the end, people (adults) are always able to do what they want in the face of facts, but that's what evolution is all about...

Back to the topic - biwiring does nothing but increase the effective AWG of the wire. 12AWG over 12 feet is already substantially more AWG than what you need, so biwiring will do absolutely nothing.+1
unless there is a need to correct a voltage drop, but the again i would move to 10awg before running 2 #12's. if we are talking DC now thats a another story:)

Because some things are facts. It's irrational to think that everything is open to debate or opinion. In this case, all of these things can be objectively measured, and proven to be unaltered in any way (no matter what someone thinks they do or don't hear).

There are laws of physics involved here.

Would you say we should just let people go on thinking that "orange" looks like "blue"? Or that gravity is pretend? Or instead, should we try to help people understand what is proven fact versus what isn't?

In the end, people (adults) are always able to do what they want in the face of facts, but that's what evolution is all about...



There are plenty of people who will argue that evolution is not a fact. :D:D:D

How do you check what gauge speaker wire is being used. I have checked mine and cant find it written on the cable.

Do you use thicker wire for surrounds than for mains or vice a versa?

Well I had an extra wire 12 gage lying around so I connected to one speaker with a switch. Played turned the switch on and off and my ears heard no difference.

Maybe if I was using a smaller gage wire such as 16 or 18, doubling and over greater distance I probably would have heard a difference but at a 12ft distance with a 12 gage my test concluded negative.

But in my paradigm manual says by doing biwireing, CAN
Improve Clarity and Openness

but they don't give more details.

How do you check what gauge speaker wire is being used. I have checked mine and cant find it written on the cable.

Do you use thicker wire for surrounds than for mains or vice a versa?


When I bought my system, the guys told me for the
MAIN wires should be of equal length and thicker lets say 12 gage(thicker) for a house system, If your length is qiet a distance, then I suppose thicker wire or biwering would be more appropriate:confused:

Satelites they told me a 16 gage(thinner) will do even at 30 ft.

keep same length.

AWG of 12 will work for almost any layout as to wether you can hear any difference
is up to the listener and the same length is a myth run the distance you need and give
yourself enough slack for replacing it or moving it. I would run the same AWG to all speakers and label them.

awg of 12 will work for almost any layout as to wether you can hear any difference
is up to the listener and the same length is a myth run the distance you need and give
yourself enough slack for replacing it or moving it. I would run the same awg to all speakers and label them.+1

How do you check what gauge speaker wire is being used. I have checked mine and cant find it written on the cable.

Do you use thicker wire for surrounds than for mains or vice a versa?goto home depot buy a wire stripper(for stranded wire)

Well I had an extra wire 12 gage lying around so I connected to one speaker with a switch. Played turned the switch on and off and my ears heard no difference.

Maybe if I was using a smaller gage wire such as 16 or 18, doubling and over greater distance I probably would have heard a difference but at a 12ft distance with a 12 gage my test concluded negative.

But in my paradigm manual says by doing biwireing, CAN
Improve Clarity and Openness

but they don't give more details.
Biamping may improve the sound (since you're adding more amplification), but bi-wiring is just adding to the effective gauge of the wire. If you're already using something like 12 AWG, then biwiring isn't going to make a difference for any home setup.

Biamping may improve the sound (since you're adding more amplification), but bi-wiring is just adding to the effective gauge of the wire. If you're already using something like 12 AWG, then biwiring isn't going to make a difference for any home setup.

No, passive bi-amping will make no difference to sound. More amplification means nothing if it's not being used.

Passive bi-amping is just sending discrete power to the existing crossovers in the speakers. This makes zero difference to sending power to the entire speaker and using the crossovers to distribute the power.

(The only theoretical exception is if you are clipping, and that means you have an underpowered amp to begin with; so that likely means it has a single transformer since monoblocks are rarely underpowered; and bi-amping to fix clipping with a single transformer amp will do zippo, since the transformer is what's the limiting factor.)

Bi-wiring and bi-amping do nothing.

I suppose I should've specified.. I meant active biamping.

I suppose I should've specified.. I meant active biamping.

Then you wouldn't have said amplification. The value of active bi-amping is more about changing the speaker crossovers. However, for like 99.9% of the population, this is a pointless exercise, as most people don't have the equipment (or expertise) to set up external crossovers.

They're quite valuable in DIY speaker building (admittedly not with Paradigm speakers). 99.9% of people aren't on AVS, either.

But since you want to be specific..
No, passive bi-amping will make no difference to sound. More amplification means nothing if it's not being used.
So how do you know it's not being used? That was never stated.
Passive bi-amping is just sending discrete power to the existing crossovers in the speakers. This makes zero difference to sending power to the entire speaker and using the crossovers to distribute the power.

(The only theoretical exception is if you are clipping, and that means you have an underpowered amp to begin with; so that likely means it has a single transformer since monoblocks are rarely underpowered; and bi-amping to fix clipping with a single transformer amp will do zippo, since the transformer is what's the limiting factor.)

Yep, it provides the ability to use multiple amplifiers with the same speaker. How is that not zero difference? If I have an extra amp laying around, and would like to bi-amp the fronts, doing that could improve the sound (if you use it). Not worth the cost, IMO, but more than "zippo".
Bi-wiring and bi-amping do nothing.
Bi-wiring increases the effective gauge of the wire (and I could even stretch it to say it's a redundant path), and bi-amping can provide more total power to the speaker when using multiple amps. Both of those are certainly more than "nothing".

They're quite valuable in DIY speaker building (admittedly not with Paradigm speakers). 99.9% of people aren't on AVS, either.

But since you want to be specific..

So how do you know it's not being used? That was never stated.

Yep, it provides the ability to use multiple amplifiers with the same speaker. How is that not zero difference? If I have an extra amp laying around, and would like to bi-amp the fronts, doing that could improve the sound (if you use it). Not worth the cost, IMO, but more than "zippo".

Bi-wiring increases the effective gauge of the wire (and I could even stretch it to say it's a redundant path), and bi-amping can provide more total power to the speaker when using multiple amps. Both of those are certainly more than "nothing".

I've said over and over that all bi-wiring does is increase effective AWG. If people aren't running 12AWG by now, then they need to try again. Even so, the OP of this mini-thread has 12-foot runs... And if people can bi-wire, they surely would be better off running a single 12AWG run versus 2 x some lower AWG. (Redundancy is pointless in this case.)

Passive bi-amping - You don't send more power to a speaker by bi-amping. The sound is the sound, and the amplification needed for a specific volume level is constant, whether using one amp or 20. You're simply distributing the load across multiple amps.

In a single-transformer amp (which is what most people have), the limiting factor is the transformer, not the channel, so bi-amping will neither increase the available power nor help reduce issues like clipping. In most mono-block amps, each channel has more than enough power to drive each speaker, so again bi-amping does nothing.

Just having more power "available" is meaningless if it's not used. And (passive) bi-amping doesn't magically cause more power to be used. That's the same thing as saying using a 500W amp is better than a 300W amp, if all you need is 150W (again, except for clipping).

You're simply distributing the load across multiple amps.Exactly my point; it has its use.
Just having more power "available" is meaningless if it's not used.No doubt, but that's an assumption that it doesn't get used. What if someone has a couple of 75W amps? It doesn't take much to get past that (e.g. Studio 100s @ 4m and 106dB = 128W if I'm doing the math correctly).

I have a pair of older Paradigm Export Monitors I'm using for front L/R speakers. I recently got an amp and pre/pro and I'm now looking for a center speaker. I emailed Paradigm to ask about them and which center speaker would be a good match. They informed me that a center channel speaker from their Studio line would be a good match. Of course they aint exactly cheap and I was wondering about either a Polk Audio CS1 or CS10 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50012345%2040000494&Manufactory=12345&bop=And&SpeTabStoreType=0&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=N82E16882290022%2CN82E16882290105) center channel speaker. I can't really afford a CC-590 right now and I have a $30 off coupon for the CS1. Would it be a big mistake to grab the CS1 for now to go with my Paradigm front speakers? It can't sound terrible, can it? :confused:

I've heard that the timbre matching of the center to the L/R front speakers is kind of important. Does it have to be perfectly matched to sound good?

Well...if you don't want someone's voice to change as the walk from one side of the screen to the other on a DVD/BD/TV/etc then the CC is critical. It should ideally be identical to your other front speakers, but since most of us can't finagle a tower speaker under/above our TV/display we opt for matched CC speakers. Why not look for a used Studio line CC at Audiogon...they pop up all the time. I just sold my 570 v3 a few weeks ago to help fund the new 690 v5 monster.

J.

Well...if you don't want someone's voice to change as the walk from one side of the screen to the other on a DVD/BD/TV/etc then the CC is critical.

And if it's not perfectly matched it's very noticeable is what you're saying? How does one tell if the timbre is a match? I mean if not buying speakers that the manufacturer has designed to match, is there another way to tell? Could it be possible that the Polk CS2 or CS20 center channel matches my Paradigm speakers or is it highly unlikely?

I would think that it's highly unlikely, but your ears can be the judge. Personally, I would wait until funds permit the purchase of the correct CC.

J.

And if it's not perfectly matched it's very noticeable is what you're saying? How does one tell if the timbre is a match? I mean if not buying speakers that the manufacturer has designed to match, is there another way to tell? Could it be possible that the Polk CS2 or CS20 center channel matches my Paradigm speakers or is it highly unlikely?

I had the same problem when I got my studio 20s V.5. I had a polk CC channel and I asked people on this forum if there would be a difference if I got a Paradigm CC speaker vs the Polk. All I have to say is after buying the CC490 to go with my 20s the difference is night and day! I have a seamless front line of sound, and for some reason the bottom end improved at least 50%.

Well I'm glad I came in here and asked. The more I think about it the more I realize that since I've come this far with putting together my system, that it would make no sense to skimp on the center channel speaker. I'm sure Polk centers mate well with other Polk speakers, but I'm fooling myself to think a Polk center would sound just as good with my Paradigms as a CC-490 or a CC-570.

My only question now is should I look for a newer Paradigm like a v4 490 or 590, or go with an older v3 570 or even a 370 or 350, since my Export Monitors are quite old yet still sound excellent.

RetRoe, I don't know if you are looking to buy right now, but there are two 590 v4's & two 570 v3's for sale on audiogon.

Yes, please post them if you can find them. It's alway interesting to see the assembly lines, facilities

tO all i found the pictures , from my dealer i of the paradigm factory and new products , will put them up soon .

bErT

RetRoe, I don't know if you are looking to buy right now, but there are two 590 v4's & two 570 v3's for sale on audiogon.

The two 570's are a little over-priced, IMO. There's three 590's but two are sold. I put an offer in on the other one that's still available hours ago when it was just listed but haven't heard back from the seller. I'm a little leery as the seller has no feedback, will only take a Money Order (no paypal) and has it listed at a very low price (too good to be true?). How would some of you handle such a situation on A'gon?

Never do money order EVER - back up any purchase with a credit card.

Also make sure if you use PayPal, that it goes through a credit card not a bank account direct draw, PayPal is a pretty sketchy co. when it turns out you need to get a refund.... With a credit card at least you have someone on your side...

Never do money order EVER - back up any purchase with a credit card.

Also make sure if you use PayPal, that it goes through a credit card not a bank account direct draw, PayPal is a pretty sketchy co. when it turns out you need to get a refund.... With a credit card at least you have someone on your side...

ditto

Well, the seller accepted my offer for THIS CC-590 (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1252160493&/Paradigm-studio-CC-590-V.4-cen) on A'gon. Gulp! :eek:

Got a weird feeling in my stomach. The seller has NO FEEDBACK and wants paid via Money Order. The price certainly was quite low @ $450 considering another went for $600 recently without the box (which was also from a seller with no feedback).

So I guess I should contact the seller and try to get a phone number. Any other advice y'all can offer? Any other precautions I can take to protect myself just in case this deal goes south? :confused:

Just tell him you didn't realize it was money order, and you will only pay with paypal or credit card, give him the chance to back out. Only way you pay like that is when you have the item in your hands.

Well, the seller accepted my offer for THIS CC-590 (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1252160493&/Paradigm-studio-CC-590-V.4-cen) on A'gon. Gulp! :eek:

Got a weird feeling in my stomach. The seller has NO FEEDBACK and wants paid via Money Order. The price certainly was quite low @ $450 considering another went for $600 recently without the box (which was also from a seller with no feedback).

So I guess I should contact the seller and try to get a phone number. Any other advice y'all can offer? Any other precautions I can take to protect myself just in case this deal goes south? :confused:

I assume picking it up in person is not possible. Maybe you can get someone here that lives near the seller to check it out for you. Not the best option but better than buying blind.

I emailed the seller and asked if I can pay via paypal. I also asked if he has an eBay ID and if would give me a phone number to contact him at. I live about 2 1/2 hrs away from him. I reckon if he says no to paypal I could do a road trip. It appears if this is legitimate that I got the speaker at a very good price, no? (perhaps too good).

You know, a first time seller with no feedback that doesn't disclose an eBay ID or a phone number and only accepts a M.O. is sending up all kinds of red flags. Don't think I'm not aware of that.

I also like the idea of someone here picking it up. Anyone living near Bristol, Indiana with a a desire to help and is well known here on AVS is more than welcome to contact me. Send me a PM. I'll even pay for your gas and of course the shipping.

All -I've been out of the loop with the Paradigm lineup for a little while now (since I purchased mine). I have a pretty basic set-up but am looking to upgrade the center channel to capture better dialouge from movies. My current Paradigm setup is: esprit towers for the mains, cc-170 center, and titans for the surrounds. (it's just a 5.1 setup)

I visited the Paradigm website and WOW -- things have changed in the short time since I purchased my setup.

Does anyone have a recomendation as to what center channel would compliment my existing speakers? Either something new , or even an "older" model that i could look around for (aka e-bay). Any info would be appreciated.

Well I spoke with the seller today after he emailed me his cell phone #. He's a really nice guy and explained everything and we've agreed to meet to complete the sale. He lives 3 hrs away from me so I told him I'd be willing to drive 2 hrs if he'd drive 1 hr. He said that's no problem and he said the speaker is in excellent condition and has the box, all the packing material, manual and receipt. He's 43 yrs old and sounds like a true gentleman. Just never sold anything online before and said he was amazed by how many emails and offers he got. But mine was the first so the CC-590 v.4 is mine. :D

I have been looking around for a stand and can not find any center channel stand that's 17 or 18 inches tall and will support this beast of a speaker which weighs 45 lbs. I don't want to wall mount it above my TV (Samsung 67" LED DLP) and my TV stand won't accommodate it either. So I need to place it on a stand. Does anyone know of a 17" or 18" tall stand that will support the CC-590?

Well I spoke with the seller today after he emailed me his cell phone #. He's a really nice guy and explained everything and we've agreed to meet to complete the sale. He lives 3 hrs away from me so I told him I'd be willing to drive 2 hrs if he'd drive 1 hr. He said that's no problem and he said the speaker is in excellent condition and has the box, all the packing material, manual and receipt. He's 43 yrs old and sounds like a true gentleman. Just never sold anything online before and said he was amazed by how many emails and offers he got. But mine was the first so the CC-590 v.4 is mine. :D

I have been looking around for a stand and can not find any center channel stand that's 17 or 18 inches tall and will support this beast of a speaker which weighs 45 lbs. I don't want to wall mount it above my TV (Samsung 67" LED DLP) and my TV stand won't accommodate it either. So I need to place it on a stand. Does anyone know of a 17" or 18" tall stand that will support the CC-590?what a score! you might be able to trade it in for a 590 v.5

Trade it in? Why would I want to do that?

What do you guys use for stands for center channel speakers this large? Man I can't find anything in the 17" to 18" height range that will support this thing! Help please.

Trade it in? Why would I want to do that?

What do you guys use for stands for center channel speakers this large? Man I can't find anything in the 17" to 18" height range that will support this thing! Help please.

Paradigm has one, or you can check with SoundAnchors.com

Paradigm has one, or you can check with SoundAnchors.com

The Studio Center Stand (http://www.soundanchors.com/page60.html)from Sound Anchors looks awesome (and pricey) and looks perfect for my application. It kind of looks like it wouldn't be hard to build one like that. Anyone have the specs/dimensions of it? Really helpful, thanks. ;)

I have a pair of Sound Anchors for my Meyer HD-1 monitors. I've had them for about ten years now, and those things are BUILT! Sound Anchors can also custom build a stand for you. (At least they used to) Also, take a look at their studio line-up. The finish isn't quite as shiny, but just as durable and much cheaper.

The stand I'm referring to is from their "studio" line, I believe. it called the Studio Center Stand (its the second stand on the page I linked to above). The only thing I can't understand is how the speaker stays attached to the stand since it tilts. I would like to also know how wide the base of it is but there are no specs and it says it can be custom built. That must mean there is no standard size from which to reference a customize build.

By the way, all set to meet up with the Seller tomorrow morning to pick up my CC-590 v.4 center speaker. He had a really beautiful set of Studio 100 v.4 mains (sold for 1200) that I would love to have but just can't afford right now. Still, he told me he has everything the speaker came with and states it's in excellent condition, not a scratch anywhere and even has the original receipt. For $450 and a few hours of my time to pick it up, I think I did OK. But that remains to be inconclusive until I actually have it hooked up and listen. Only then will I know if it was worth it.

Well I spoke with the seller today after he emailed me his cell phone #. He's a really nice guy and explained everything and we've agreed to meet to complete the sale. He lives 3 hrs away from me so I told him I'd be willing to drive 2 hrs if he'd drive 1 hr.


Glad to hear that "Communication" with the seller turned out in the right light...

I can't stress enough that before stressing out on something entailing a sale that there be communication with the seller to see if something like a money order can be overcome in some form or fashion..... :)

I hope you enjoy that center.... it is amongst the best designed centers out there.... Paradigm was the front runners that put the tweeter on top of the midrange to lessen the effects of lobing from a majorly compromised MTM designed center channel - if in case you have to use a horizontally based center channel at all....

Yeah I got all worried before even attempting to contact him. But thanks for the friendly advice. I just hope all goes well tomorrow with the road trip. I got a buddy coming with me so it should go fine. I'll let y'all know how it worked out.

I wish I was also picking up those Studio 100 towers he had. Someone got a great deal on those as well. But I gotsda take it one step at a time. I'm hoping my front sound-stage will sound very good with that new center mated to my Export Monitors as mains.

Not sure what you mean by "a majorly compromised MTM designed center channel." :confused:

heheheh The " majorly compromised MTM designed center channel."has nothing to do with Paradigm and their latest designs....

If you look at the Center Channel...
The tweeter is directly above the mid range driver...

As opposed to something like a MTM which is comprised of a Mid range driver (left) with the tweeter in the middle and a mid range driver again on the right...

Here are some pic comparisons...

Paradigm (good design)
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/9405/studiocc590rosenut2gc7.png
Lesser quality desing.... Mid-range - tweeter - Mid range destign..
http://www.eldamar.net/audio/rs150mtm/graphics/P0000519.jpg


Basically for the best sound performance - one should ultimately be looking for all Studio 100's for Left - Center -Right...

OK, I was not sure what MTM stood for. Thanks for the clarification. Good to know the CC-590 is a superior design.

Other than visual inspection for obvious damage, is there anything else I should check or look for to make sure the speaker is in excellent working condition? I mean we're meeting at a Taco Bell, so I can't plug it in and audition it. But if there's anything I should watch for (or watch out for) I'd appreciate the heads up.

Studio 100's some day, perhaps. Actually I was thinking Studio 20's v.4 for my next purchase to upgrade my mains, then move the Export Monitors to surround duty.

I'm sure if it looks in good condition like he says, it'll be fine... not much you can do here in your position unless you want to bring your HT along... :)

If you're in Ontario then you could try East Hamilton Radio. They had a demo for 600 bucks back in April. The other place I called was Live Wire in Windsor. They had a demo for $750. The other place you might try is Gibby's in St. Catherines.

BTW, I emailed East Hamilton Radio, and the guy still has the v4 demo on sale, I am not sure if its because I emailed looking for it, but he said he'd sell me it for $750!! I countered with $700 but he said $725. Sneaky sneaky. My local store had them new for $700 on close-out.

Anyway, the good news is, on Wednesday I won an eBay auction for a brand new v4 CC-590 for US$489! I am arranging my own shipping through work where we get good FedEx discounts, so shipped to my door it should be under $600 for a new one!

I HAVE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED PHOTOS , AS PROMISED , BUT CAN'T SEND THEM TO PHOTOBUCKET , THEY WON'T GO THREW ? any ideas ? i don't want to post that many photos on this board . did i have my caps on again . i want to share them with u all !

bert

OK, I was not sure what MTM stood for. Thanks for the clarification. Good to know the CC-590 is a superior design.

Studio 100's some day, perhaps. Actually I was thinking Studio 20's v.4 for my next purchase to upgrade my mains, then move the Export Monitors to surround duty.

My previous centre was of the MTM design and the most noticeable effect was difficulty in hearing dialogue at times.

I've now got the cc590 v4 and dialogue is crystal clear at all times.

I would also suggest the Studio 40's v4 an option when you purchase your mains. They integrate very well with the 590.

I HAVE CLOSE TO A HUNDRED PHOTOS , AS PROMISED , BUT CAN'T SEND THEM TO PHOTOBUCKET , THEY WON'T GO THREW ? any ideas ? i don't want to post that many photos on this board . did i have my caps on again . i want to share them with u all !

bert
humm give us the link to photobucket.:)

I'm just about ready to wire our room for a 5.1 setup with studio 60s front, cc590 center but I'm still torn about which surround speaker to use since our listening position will be directly against (or very close to) the back wall. I emailed Paradigm and they say the adp 590s can be mounted on the rear wall, at or just outside the edges of the listening position, at least 18 inches from the side walls. This would work for me but I thought for dipoles you were supposed to sit in the "null" spot. Would studio 10s on stands at the back sound better? I wish I could wall mount the studio 10s on the back wall but there doesn't seem to be a way to wall mount those. Or maybe an atom monitor, mini monitor or even cinema 90 wall mounted since Paradigm sells fully positionable wall mounts for these??
Thanks a lot

I'm just about ready to wire our room for a 5.1 setup with studio 60s front, cc590 center but I'm still torn about which surround speaker to use since our listening position will be directly against (or very close to) the back wall. I emailed Paradigm and they say the adp 590s can be mounted on the rear wall, at or just outside the edges of the listening position, at least 18 inches from the side walls. This would work for me but I thought for dipoles you were supposed to sit in the "null" spot. Would studio 10s on stands at the back sound better? I wish I could wall mount the studio 10s on the back wall but there doesn't seem to be a way to wall mount those. Or maybe an atom monitor, mini monitor or even cinema 90 wall mounted since Paradigm sells fully positionable wall mounts for these??
Thanks a lot
one member has used studio esprit on the back wall.

I'm just about ready to wire our room for a 5.1 setup with studio 60s front, cc590 center but I'm still torn about which surround speaker to use since our listening position will be directly against (or very close to) the back wall. I emailed Paradigm and they say the adp 590s can be mounted on the rear wall, at or just outside the edges of the listening position, at least 18 inches from the side walls. This would work for me but I thought for dipoles you were supposed to sit in the "null" spot. Would studio 10s on stands at the back sound better? I wish I could wall mount the studio 10s on the back wall but there doesn't seem to be a way to wall mount those. Or maybe an atom monitor, mini monitor or even cinema 90 wall mounted since Paradigm sells fully positionable wall mounts for these??
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Title says it all. I am thinking of changing speaker brands and trying out Paradigm, but want to make sure I am being quoted fair prices and current models. What would make more sense, since the price is comparable. Studio 20v4 vs. Monitor 9v6. They did not have the Monitor 9 to demo, just the Monitor 7 and Studio 20. Are the versions listed above the current lines for the respective class? Most likely a sub will be employed, so will it be beneficial to go with floorstanders? Is the sound quality better in the smaller Studio 20 vs. bigger Monitor 9?

I'm just about ready to wire our room for a 5.1 setup with studio 60s front, cc590 center but I'm still torn about which surround speaker to use since our listening position will be directly against (or very close to) the back wall. I emailed Paradigm and they say the adp 590s can be mounted on the rear wall, at or just outside the edges of the listening position, at least 18 inches from the side walls. This would work for me but I thought for dipoles you were supposed to sit in the "null" spot. Would studio 10s on stands at the back sound better? I wish I could wall mount the studio 10s on the back wall but there doesn't seem to be a way to wall mount those. Or maybe an atom monitor, mini monitor or even cinema 90 wall mounted since Paradigm sells fully positionable wall mounts for these??
Thanks a lot

You can wall-mount the 10's as they have threaded inserts in the base. Ask around for suggested brackets/mounts.

J.

Where can I get a riser to put my CC-290 underneath, and a LCD TV on top? I currently have my center channel on the shelf below my TV, but it's too low. I want to put it on the top shelf where my TV is, but need something, so my TV doesn't sit directly on the speaker. What kind of riser does everyone use with their center channel? Maybe I just need to buy a different TV and component stands?

Maybe I should just replace my stand with a "floating" design like this stand?
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10843657&sourceid=1500000000000003142050&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=10843657

Does anyone sell a universal mount that can be added to an existing stand that would allow for a tv to be raised from the stand's surface to all for a center channel underneath?

I was looking at this (http://soundanchors.com/PLASMA%20DISPLAY%20STAND.html) but it seems like kind of a kludge.

Title says it all. I am thinking of changing speaker brands and trying out Paradigm, but want to make sure I am being quoted fair prices and current models. What would make more sense, since the price is comparable. Studio 20v4 vs. Monitor 9v6. They did not have the Monitor 9 to demo, just the Monitor 7 and Studio 20. Are the versions listed above the current lines for the respective class? Most likely a sub will be employed, so will it be beneficial to go with floorstanders? Is the sound quality better in the smaller Studio 20 vs. bigger Monitor 9?

For the Studio line, v5 is the latest, the v4s are the previous model. The main difference between the two is that the cabinets in the v5 are Chinese made, solid wood and "curvy" in design. The v4 are traditional square cabs. The drivers are identical. For the savings available on the v4s they are a much better buy (over the v5s). I just bought v4 line Studios on close-out for amazing prices.

For smaller Studio vs larger Monitor, the smaller Studios are also the better buy. Much better IMHO. I just auditioned Monitor 9s which were the same price as the v4 Studio 40s and the Studio 40s were noticeably better. The drivers are of a better quality. As I have been told (cos I am no audiophile) size is not as important as the drivers/crossover/etc.

I literally just made the decision you are faced with and went with the v4 Studios. This was based on a pretty good A/B compare at my local audio store (as well as the sales guy's skills...)

Where can I get a riser to put my CC-290 underneath, and a LCD TV on top?
DIY for the win! Simple 3 or 4 piece assembly that you can do yourself and even stain/paint to match your existing A/V furniture. Check out Warpdrv's CC/TV shelf...it's quite nice. You could always farm out the gig to a local carpenter if you prefer, but it should be pretty easy. Shoot me a PM if you'd like a quick quote.

J.

x2 on the DIY. That sounds like a simple project to start with too.

For the Studio line, v5 is the latest, the v4s are the previous model. The main difference between the two is that the cabinets in the v5 are Chinese made, solid wood and "curvy" in design. The v4 are traditional square cabs. The drivers are identical. For the savings available on the v4s they are a much better buy (over the v5s). I just bought v4 line Studios on close-out for amazing prices.


The midrange and bass drivers are different on the 20s and 60s. The tweeter is the same. The v4 were a vinyl veneer and the v5 is a real wood veneer. IMO any of the v4 or v5 studio line is much better then the monitor line and with v4 prices so good I wouldnt consider the monitor line.

Early last year I bought a pair of mini monitor v5 speakers as the beginning of my HT. I'm about to complete the picture with the following:
CC-290v6 center @ $400, 4 sa-25's @ $300 each, dsp-3200 @ $650. I'll be using an onkyo TX-SR805 to drive 'em. I don't want to have any regrets or go over board. Eventually I want to go with a monitor 7 or 9 but the mini must do for now. Have I bartered well enough or should I reconsider? Is the setup a good match? Is it over kill with the sa-25's? The reason for the inwall/inceiling is mainly aesthetics to please my better half - I have no choice there.:o

Does anyone sell a universal mount that can be added to an existing stand that would allow for a tv to be raised from the stand's surface to all for a center channel underneath?

I was looking at this (http://soundanchors.com/PLASMA%20DISPLAY%20STAND.html) but it seems like kind of a kludge.

Hey, heads up. Why are you putting an ad on your footer? Don't think you are allowed to do that;)

The midrange and bass drivers are different on the 20s and 60s. The tweeter is the same. The v4 were a vinyl veneer and the v5 is a real wood veneer. IMO any of the v4 or v5 studio line is much better then the monitor line and with v4 prices so good I wouldnt consider the monitor line.


I meant that the Studio 60 drivers in v4 are the same as the Studio 60 drivers in v5. Not that they used identical drivers throughout the line...

Oh, and they eliminated the Studio 40s in v5 btw. They were the floorstanding Studio 60 in a bookshelf size.

I meant that the Studio 60 drivers in v4 are the same as the Studio 60 drivers in v5. Not that they used identical drivers throughout the line...

Oh, and they eliminated the Studio 40s in v5 btw. They were the floorstanding Studio 60 in a bookshelf size.

The drivers in the studio 60v4 are 7" for the midrange and bass drivers. In the v5 they are all 5 1/2 inches. Also the v4s have an inverted surround while v5 dont so they have more excursion. The 100s may be all the same drivers from v4 to v5 as they are the same size and have inverted surrounds but Im not sure.

The drivers in the studio 60v4 are 7" for the midrange and bass drivers. In the v5 they are all 5 1/2 inches. Also the v4s have an inverted surround while v5 dont so they have more excursion. The 100s may be all the same drivers from v4 to v5 as they are the same size and have inverted surrounds but Im not sure.

You are indeed correct. Sorry for the misinformation. Also worthy of note is that the Studio 60 v5 has two bass drivers (5 1/2" each) whereas the 60 v4 had only one (7"). I paid closer attention to the specs :)

So the primary difference between v4 and v5 is a real wood vener?

So the primary difference between v4 and v5 is a real wood vener?

Just check Paradigm's site to see the new version 5's. You'll notice the obvious differences right away. The v5 is a complete departure from what they've done in the past with the rounded cabinets. They are veneered with real wood and the finish is spectacular. They look and sound excellent and were an excellent upgrade for me from the v3 setup.

J.

Anyone have reviews for this total system package?? How are the paradigm subs? You recommend just buying a velodyne or something else or get the paradigm sub with the system?? Thanks guys.

Anyone have reviews for this total system package?? How are the paradigm subs? You recommend just buying a velodyne or something else or get the paradigm sub with the system?? Thanks guys.

I have read multiple people say do not get the Paradigm subs as they're not worth it for the money. I built my own monster sub (15" driver in sonotube), so can't really comment.

Can anyone tell me what type of screw or bolt(size) I need to screw the J-23 stand to Studio 40's. Thanks.

I have read multiple people say do not get the Paradigm subs as they're not worth it for the money. I built my own monster sub (15" driver in sonotube), so can't really comment.

+1, Paradigm subs are good, but compared to what you can DIY - way out of line IMO as well.
There are better costing subs out there from the Internet direct co's, like SVsound Epik, or HSU amongst others...

You could do very well with a PB12+ or an Ultra13, or if your budget allows, a Seaton Sound Submersive is my ideal choice.

What is the budget for said sub to go along with the Monitor 9's?

Can anyone tell me what type of screw or bolt(size) I need to screw the J-23 stand to Studio 40's. Thanks.


I'm not 100% sure, but for some reason, 1/4 x 20 comes to mind, just take one of the speakers to the hardware store and get the right screws, it should take but a couple of minutes for the guy there to get the right thread for ya... :)

Can anyone tell me what type of screw or bolt(size) I need to screw the J-23 stand to Studio 40's. Thanks.

Although I don't have a J-23 I do have some J-29 and J-18C stands and Warvdrv's suggested size is exactly what mine are, 1/4 x 20 and about 3/4 inch long.

Just check Paradigm's site to see the new version 5's. You'll notice the obvious differences right away. The v5 is a complete departure from what they've done in the past with the rounded cabinets. They are veneered with real wood and the finish is spectacular. They look and sound excellent and were an excellent upgrade for me from the v3 setup.

J.

Right but that's just aesthetics. Do they sound different?

Right but that's just aesthetics. Do they sound different?

The mids are different. They are designed for more excursion. That plus the rounded cabinets should result in a slightly better sound.

Anyone heard anything at all about a Signature v3 series? I feel like its almost due... I'm thinking about S6 v2's but i figure with my luck the v3 would come out a month later...

Hey BigRed...

I have heard a couple things starting to leak out about them, but not much... someone had suggested that there may be a Sig S10 coming out.... I already have tickets to my first Cedia this year in Atlanta, as its my B-Day 9/11 so I figured WTH :)

I will be on the lookout for the next gen of Sigs, to replace my .v4 Studio's.

So only time will tell at this point...

Put me on the list for Paradigm owners! I picked up 2 MiniMonitors a few weeks ago and as my first home audio purchase I can't believe I haven't done something like this sooner!

I plan on getting a center next, then either surrounds or a sub after that :D!

Well I've had the new Studio 100's and CC690 for almost a month now. Here are some pictures of the setup for anybody interested:

http://s806.photobucket.com/albums/yy344/cornchip75/?albumview=grid

So far I'm pretty happy with these. The 100's are a definite improvement over the 12yo Sony towers I had. The highs and lows are much better. As far as the center, this is the biggest difference. Dialogue is crisp and the sound is so much clearer/louder. But looking at the old tin can I had there before, its a no brainer! Watching Fellowship of the Rings the other night, and not even a minute in, WOW what a change. Even my wife was amazed at the difference.:)

Please forgive the frankenstein stand at the moment. I had to move all the A/V components out from under the TV and build a stand for the CC. I also tilted it up a little, like I've seen others do on this thread before (thanks btw). Now building a stand for the A/V gear, then I'll get it all painted.

All in all, I am satified with with my choice. Next upgrade is the amplifier. I'm thinking of going to separates (the Emotiva UMC-1 has peaked my interest). So I have a question to any of you out there with a similar setup and separate amp, what type of power amp are you using? I'm ckecking out Anthem, NAD, Emotiva, Rotel, etc. Thanks,

Phil

Hey BigRed...

I have heard a couple things starting to leak out about them, but not much... someone had suggested that there may be a Sig S10 coming out.... I already have tickets to my first Cedia this year in Atlanta, as its my B-Day 9/11 so I figured WTH :)

I will be on the lookout for the next gen of Sigs, to replace my .v4 Studio's.

So only time will tell at this point...

yeah same thing i have heard (S10). I wonder what else would be different... hmmm i love speculation :cool:

Can anyone tell me what type of screw or bolt(size) I need to screw the J-23 stand to Studio 40's. Thanks.

1/4 x 20 is correct. 1/2" or 3/4" length should be fine.

J.

Very nice, Cornchip, I fell in love with my rosenut studios, but the black veneer looks incredible as well. :)

Warpdrv, dryeye, JasonColeman - Thanks guys! I'll head out to the hardware store and pick some up. I just wanna be safe especially with kids always around the HT.

Hi Guys,

I've currently got the Jamo C803 bookshelf speakers with the rest of the C80 range (center and dipoles). I'm thinking of upgrading and going for the Studio 60's with the 590 center. Has anyone compared the Jamo C80 range to the Studio v5 ?

Will this be a big upgrade or are both options in a similar performance bracket ? I have a buyer who is willing to take the Jamo system so I'm wondering if the move to the Studio's would be worthwhile. Anyone who has done any comparisons between the two, comments would be appreciated. Thanks.

Regards,

Have you had a listen to them yet goneten?

They are pretty darn good, but you'll never know how they stack up unless you hear them...

Nope, unfortunately I can't listen to them as I don't have a dealer close by. So I might decide to do a 'blind buy'. :D

I trust the members here...mostly...well, sort of....okay, sometimes, so any opinions or feedback using Jamo C80 speakers as a comparison would be great.

Look, the C80 range from Jamo is their top-of-the-range line. But it's also several years old. The Paradigm V5 is relatively new, well it was released in S.A a month ago so I know that we're behind somewhat.

My first choice initially was upgrading my book shelf speakers and go with the Jamo C807's which are relatively big floor standers as the dynamics would be a big improvement. But I have buyer for the whole system and am thinking if the Studio range is a big enough jump.

Opinions, feedback...anything would be appreciated. It's just unfortunate that I can't listen to the speakers myself. The Jamo's happen to be very neutral sounding, in my opinion, not treble predominant or fatiguing over extended periods. I just want something which is more dynamic and is more refined, more detailed (focused).

So yeah.

Regards,

Well the Paradigms certainly tend to deliver in all those criteria.... That is one of the reasons they are so popular. How is your room... do you have any room treatments or carpeting...

If its all hard wood floors and drywall everywhere or hard surfaces - you could have issues with the metal dome over the soft dome of the Jamo's... The Studio's are quite lively but will be well under control if your room is...

I'm considering getting the Titan Monitors and the CC-290. I will be pushing them with a HK254. I am wondering what subwoofer yall might recommend?

humm give us the link to photobucket.:)

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maybe the caps threw u off i can not get them to go to photobucket , they r in a e-mail from my dealer .

bert

Warpdrv,

I assumed that the Paradigms were also fairly neutral and not lively (when you mean lively, you mean like treble predominant ?)

I do have some acoustic treatment in my room (4 GIK tri-traps in the two front corners stacked floor to ceiling and 244 traps still in their boxes :)).

Regards,

I changed from Jamo c80 center and c809's to the paradigm cc690 and the studio 100's. I mostly watch movies, not much music listening. I really like the paradigm's for movies. I was really disappointed with the Jamo center, but the c809's are good speakers. I made the change mostly because of the center. By no means am I an audiophile, but I like the paradigm sound better than the Jamo's and I am glad I made the change. I did hang on to the Jamo's for now, but I will be looking to get rid of them very soon.

Mmarki,

Thanks so much for chiming in. Do you feel the Paradigms sound bright (or at least brighter) at all compared to the Jamo's in your room ? I find that the C80 center sounds a bit muffled with dialogue even when using acoustic treatment. It has a little bit of a nasal quality which I'm pretty sure is a design fault.

What exactly do you like about the Paradigms that the Jamo's couldn't give you ? Is it better detail, better dynamics (micro and macro), sound stage abilities; if you could expand a bit I would really appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Warpdrv,

I assumed that the Paradigms were also fairly neutral and not lively (when you mean lively, you mean like treble predominant ?)

I do have some acoustic treatment in my room (4 GIK tri-traps in the two front corners stacked floor to ceiling and 244 traps still in their boxes :)).

Regards,

I wouldn't say they are neutral, they are a bit forward, not laid back IMO. Extremely accurate, but not to a flaw... I explained what I meant - if your room is not treated (bare walls, no carpet - nothing but hard surfaces) they can be bright....

I don't think you'll have any problem with the treatments you have...

They have a great sound stage very wide and deep, which only got better for me with my D2v, the studios and are extremely agile - micro and macro with ease....

I wouldn't say they are neutral, they are a bit forward, not laid back IMO. Extremely accurate, but not to a flaw... I explained what I meant - if your room is not treated (bare walls, no carpet - nothing but hard surfaces) they can be bright....

Cool. Thanks !

Regards,

Just one thing that is bugging me a little : a couple of posters earlier on in the thread mentioned that the CC-590 center sounded nasally or didn't sound detailed. And there were a couple of posts that agreed with this.

Were those quality control problems, have they since been solved ? I mean, the Jamo C80 center is not a bad center but it isn't that great, for a top-end model. I'm hoping that the 590 will be significant step up in quality.

Anyone agree, disagree concerning the CC-590 ? I would love the 690 but that's a bit too big.

Regards,

Ok, I've got one for everyone. I know centers should sound best when not confined in a cabinet and out in the open but what should sound best between these two options: A cc590 out in the open on top of a cabinet or a cc690 within the cabinet. I'm planning on studio 60s for fronts and think the cc690 might just look too big next to the studio 60s in our small room when sitting on top of the cabinet but might look just right placed within a custom built cabinet.
Thanks

Ok, I've got one for everyone. I know centers should sound best when not confined in a cabinet and out in the open but what should sound best between these two options: A cc590 out in the open on top of a cabinet or a cc690 within the cabinet. I'm planning on studio 60s for fronts and think the cc690 might just look too big next to the studio 60s in our small room when sitting on top of the cabinet but might look just right placed within a custom built cabinet.
Thanks

590 out in the open will most likely sound better. I originally built my theater room with LCR inside of a cabinet/recessed holes and it sounded muffled, so I tore it all down and redid the front wall.:)

That's a toss-up, but if I had to choose, I'd opt for the 690 confined. It is such a huge step up from my v3 570 that I wouldn't ever go back. Figure out a way to make the 690 work in your setup and you won't regret it.

J.

A cc590 out in the open on top of a cabinet or a cc690 within the cabinet. Thanks

Too many variables, but consider that installing either speaker within a cabinet will prolly make it sound a bit thick. Especially with male voices. I'm not 100% sure the 690 is a ported model but if it is, that space you are considering for it should be open in the back and not very close to a wall.

Too many variables, but consider that installing either speaker within a cabinet will prolly make it sound a bit thick. Especially with male voices. I'm not 100% sure the 690 is a ported model but if it is, that space you are considering for it should be open in the back and not very close to a wall.

Hey, something I can pipe in on here....I have a 590 in a cabinet underneath the TV right now due to space issues. Having tried it both inside and outside of the cabinet it sounds much nicer outside of the cabinet.
If I had to pick between the two, from my experience I would take the 590 OUT of the cabinet instead of the 690 IN a cabinet. I know the 690 is a better speaker overall, but, I have to believe putting it in a cabinet will result in the same sound quality I'm currently getting. Why spend the extra money if that's the outcome?

Can't wait till I move... :)

Those Center Channels are REAR PORTED, they are not meant to be confined, they need room to breath, or as Jason stated, they will sound muffled, the back wave coming from the ports will color the sound in an undesireable way... Full open back is the preffered install, with room away from the back wall as well...

Maybe some people that have had nasally experience with the 590 are placing it to close to the wall and there are ill effects with placement or the rear ports in proximity to the wall...

I will tell you that I have the C3, which is basically the same as the 590 with different drivers, and it sounds great - I have a smaller size room, but the rear ports are easily more then 1ft from the wall.... very full sounding and presentation is crystal clear.

My v4 CC590 sounds amazing paired with my Studio 40's. It sits on top of my cabinet about 15 inches from the wall.

As Warpdrv said the rear port needs at least a foot of distance between it and the wall
but I have found this to be true with every speaker i have owned.

Maybe some people that have had nasally experience with the 590 are placing it to close to the wall and there are ill effects with placement or the rear ports in proximity to the wall...



It would be inetresting to hear from those who were unhappy as to wether this the case.

My v4 CC590 sounds amazing paired with my Studio 40's. It sits on top of my cabinet about 15 inches from the wall.

I have the cc590 matched up with 100's, sounds seamless across the front soundstage, vocals crystal clear etc.

Band of brothers episode 2 where the naval artillery shells go overhead...awesome.:cool:

Mmarki,

Thanks so much for chiming in. Do you feel the Paradigms sound bright (or at least brighter) at all compared to the Jamo's in your room ? I find that the C80 center sounds a bit muffled with dialogue even when using acoustic treatment. It has a little bit of a nasal quality which I'm pretty sure is a design fault.

What exactly do you like about the Paradigms that the Jamo's couldn't give you ? Is it better detail, better dynamics (micro and macro), sound stage abilities; if you could expand a bit I would really appreciate it.

Thanks again.

Regards,

I feel that the Paradigms are a little brighter than the Jamo's, it seems like the sound stage is bigger and better detail. That's just my non-audiophile opinion. I did like the Jamo's, but I feel that the Paradigm's are better for my taste. I made the switch mostly because I felt the Jamo center was lacking. Voices were a bit muffled, not a big soundstage, etc.. I chose Paradigm because of the cc690 center, and because my brother-in-law, has the Monitor 9's, and I thought they sounded good. Hope that helps.
Matt

I chose Paradigm because of the cc690 center, and because my brother-in-law, has the Monitor 9's, and I thought they sounded good. Hope that helps.

Do you think the CC590 center will be a big step up from the C80 center ? As much as I would like the 690 and I would, believe me, it shouldn't work for me due to space limitations.

Regards,

Do you think the CC590 center will be a big step up from the C80 center ? As much as I would like the 690 and I would, believe me, it shouldn't work for me due to space limitations.

Regards,

I did have a chance to demo a 590 v4, it did sound like a step up from the c80. I did not listen for a long time, just a few minutes, and was not able to demo the c80 and 590 side by side. But I was impressed with the clarity and the soundstage.

Thanks for your reply. The 590 is bigger and seems much better built than the C80 as well.

I now have two options : get the Studio 60's V5 with 590 center and ADP's or get the Sig S2 with C3 center and then get the ADP studio rears (as there is no way I can afford the Sig surrounds).

I have an MFW-15 at the moment taking care of bass duties. Those who have experienced the Sig range, would the S2's offer a noticeable improvement over the Studio 60's in terms of detail, resolution ?

Regards,

Does anyone know if I can replace my S8 v.1 tweeters with the newer style beryllium. Would it be a significant upgrade? Cost? Thanks ahead of time.

Check with your dealer.

J.

I have been following this discussion for a while and decided to upgrade to the Studio 20s from my old Monitor 7 v.4.

What would be a fair price for the Studio 20s in todays market? I am looking at the Cherry or Rosewood finish. I will also be getting the J-29 stands to go with them.

I am not looking to get the rock-bottom price - I just need to know that I am not overpaying. Any guidance would be appreciated.

I'll try and make this quick. :)

My parents ~8 year old Bose system went belly up recently and with the ~$300 repair cost from Bose they have decided to move on to greener pastures so to speak. The fortunate part of this is that I recently came into an "old" Pioneer VSX-55TXi and I'm planning on using that for the base of the system. The good news is that it's probably more than what they need. I would like to stay towards a similar sized package (read: unobtrusive).

I recently went to BB to see what they had in the Magnolia section (Tweeter and CC are now gone so I have slim pickings). Of the few things that were working :mad: ... they had some Mirage cubes that sounded clean, but once you switched off the sub and then between the cube levels you could tell the ones I was looking at were really lacking.

I looked to see if there was a Paradigm dealer in the area and there was (a little out of the way). I took a trip over today and the "lowest" they had were some Cinema 110s on display. I was demoed a 110CT system and I thought it sounded very good for the size and price. The Cinema 90 system is about $100 less (based on quote), but I'm not sure it's worth the savings if you'd lose that much sound.

However, rather than go with the CT package, since I've heard so many good things around here I was thinking of going with an HSU or SVS sub separately. Doing some quick searching I'm leaning towards the cylindrical PC12-NSD. Does anybody foresee an issue pairing this with a 110 L/C/R and ADP rears? Or should I just go with the Paradigm packaged sub?

Also, does anybody have a good reference (link?) for pricing information? I was given a quote but I don't have much of a reference. Their package prices 90 and 110 CT are better than 6AVE, but that's the only comparison I could find.

Finally, if anybody thinks I should be looking at something else within Paradigm or a different brand I'd appreciate the feedback. They don't have a budget per se, but I'm thinking around 1k would be good.

Does anyone know if I can replace my S8 v.1 tweeters with the newer style beryllium. Would it be a significant upgrade? Cost? Thanks ahead of time.


I wouldn't attempt to do that....

The new Be tweeter and the new Cobalt Mid would likely have a completely different crossover configuration, therefore you would have to get all 3 - tweeter, mid, and crossovers for each speaker to accomodate these changes to attain the proper sound.


I am pretty sure with how tight Paradigm is about wanting to get model numbers of the speakers from the orginal owners to replace drivers as it is, they will not likely send out all 3 of these products to a dealer with the model #'s from a older line of speakers, but you can try...

Warp,

Just a question to you. If you have the opportunity to go for either the Studio 60's v5 and CC590's or the Sig 2's and C3's and you wanted to use the system for music as well as movies, which would you go for ? :)

Thanks.

Regards,

No question in my mind, I would go for the Sigs.... But those bookshelves will def need a sub...
Don't forget to give them the power the speakers are in need of to allow them to open them up...

I would go for a really nice sealed sub to retain enhance the tight clean nature of the Sigs..

I'm pretty much sold on studio 60 fronts and cc590 center (on top of cabinet - thanks for all the posts on this). The last post has got me thinking. How much power do I need from my receiver? (I won't be able to go with separates right away). My theater room will be quite small (12x14ft) and with young kids, I won't be able to go that loud too often. My dealer carries Denon receivers so I'll probably go with that brand (they seem to get good reviews also). I guess I was aiming for a model around the 100watt range. Would that be good enough? Should I go for more power even though I have a small room and don't expect to play that loud?? Thanks again for all the help. I'm pretty new to all this (but looking forward to the step up from my 5 yr old pioneer htib)

I'll try and make this quick. :)

My parents ~8 year old Bose system went belly up recently and with the ~$300 repair cost from Bose they have decided to move on to greener pastures so to speak. The fortunate part of this is that I recently came into an "old" Pioneer VSX-55TXi and I'm planning on using that for the base of the system. The good news is that it's probably more than what they need. I would like to stay towards a similar sized package (read: unobtrusive).

I recently went to BB to see what they had in the Magnolia section (Tweeter and CC are now gone so I have slim pickings). Of the few things that were working :mad: ... they had some Mirage cubes that sounded clean, but once you switched off the sub and then between the cube levels you could tell the ones I was looking at were really lacking.

I looked to see if there was a Paradigm dealer in the area and there was (a little out of the way). I took a trip over today and the "lowest" they had were some Cinema 110s on display. I was demoed a 110CT system and I thought it sounded very good for the size and price. The Cinema 90 system is about $100 less (based on quote), but I'm not sure it's worth the savings if you'd lose that much sound.

However, rather than go with the CT package, since I've heard so many good things around here I was thinking of going with an HSU or SVS sub separately. Doing some quick searching I'm leaning towards the cylindrical PC12-NSD. Does anybody foresee an issue pairing this with a 110 L/C/R and ADP rears? Or should I just go with the Paradigm packaged sub?

Also, does anybody have a good reference (link?) for pricing information? I was given a quote but I don't have much of a reference. Their package prices 90 and 110 CT are better than 6AVE, but that's the only comparison I could find.

Finally, if anybody thinks I should be looking at something else within Paradigm or a different brand I'd appreciate the feedback. They don't have a budget per se, but I'm thinking around 1k would be good.

Check out this link for Paradigm Pricing.
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

You cannot go wrong with the Paradigm CT package. But if you want to build-your-own package, the 110's will work just fine with third-party subs.

Don't forget to give them the power the speakers are in need of to allow them to open them up...

Well I've got the Onkyo 876 so I suppose that should be enough, especially when setting the speakers to 'small'.

Regards,

Check out this link for Paradigm Pricing.
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

You cannot go wrong with the Paradigm CT package. But if you want to build-your-own package, the 110's will work just fine with third-party subs.

Thanks for the feedback and the link. I thought I had seen that sometime last week but I couldn't dig it up again.

Now they're saying perhaps no surround so maybe I'll just go with 3 110s and a sub. :rolleyes:

superman did you get my pm

Atom... with or without grill?

Atom... with or without grill?
Every Paradigm I've owned (7 sets of speakers from Atoms through the Studio line) has included documentation that says they are designed to be played with grills on. Perhaps the new Atoms are different (my first Atoms were purchased before the grill could even be removed), so I'm just speaking in generalizations here.

Can't say I always follow that advice, as some of these look pretty damn slick with the grills off. ;)

I recently started to build a very modest (compared to most of you) home theater system.

Denon 1909, Samsung LN52B750, and an ED A3-300 subwoofer.

I originally bought two pairs of Atoms v6, and a CC-190. I upgraded the front pair of Atoms to Titans v6. I then got rid of all of the Atoms, moved the Titans to the back, and now have Monitor 9 v6 at the front. I have a CC-390 on order to replace my CC-190.

Do you guys think the CC-390 will sound a lot better than the 190 or is this more of a minor improvement? I do notice that dialogue in movies sounds a little weak with the CC-190 currently. Can't wait to get my 390 in a few days, I just hope its worth it.

I asked about that once and someone posted a link to Paradigm stating the grills should be on.

I think it is in this thread somewhere.

I was going to buy some speakers, but they looked so much like scratching posts I did not do it. ;)

Do you guys think the CC-390 will sound a lot better than the 190 or is this more of a minor improvement? I do notice that dialogue in movies sounds a little weak with the CC-190 currently. Can't wait to get my 390 in a few days, I just hope its worth it.

I went from a cc370 to a 390 (briefly before getting a deal on the 690). The difference was very noticable and a huge improvement in my room. Most notably, mid bass was much more prominent (an unexpected but welcomed change, I had no idea what I was missing). Secondly, the sound was much wider spread and enveloping in my set up with the 390 compared to the 370.

I don't have direct experience with the 190, but I doubt you will be disappointed. Let us know how it turns out!!!

I have been a fan of Paradigm and while I am looking at other brands I still come back to these. My set up is going to be used for everyday TV, Movies, Music, video games, etc. I feel like I should have tower speakers, don't know why but it is in my head. My room is 10x25, long and skinny. I am leaning towards the Monitor 9s and CC290 but should I consider the Studio 20s in the same price range? I know they are bookshelf speakers so I am hesitant to go there? Am I being crazy to not consider the studio line for similar money?

I have been a fan of Paradigm and while I am looking at other brands I still come back to these. My set up is going to be used for everyday TV, Movies, Music, video games, etc. I feel like I should have tower speakers, don't know why but it is in my head. My room is 10x25, long and skinny. I am leaning towards the Monitor 9s and CC290 but should I consider the Studio 20s in the same price range? I know they are bookshelf speakers so I am hesitant to go there? Am I being crazy to not consider the studio line for similar money?

What kind of subwoofer do you have? I myself would go for the studio bookshelves over monitor towers.

What kind of subwoofer do you have? I myself would go for the studio bookshelves over monitor towers.

I actually have an old Paradigm sub. I don't know that it is really all that good anymore but I haven't replaced it yet. What in your opinion is the sound difference between the monitor towers and studio bookshelf speakers?

I actually have an old Paradigm sub. I don't know that it is really all that good anymore but I haven't replaced it yet. What in your opinion is the sound difference between the monitor towers and studio bookshelf speakers?

Studio much better. If you have good subwoofer the Studio 20's can play down to 80 Hz just fine. It is not even a competition...

Atom... with or without grill?

Every Paradigm I've owned (7 sets of speakers from Atoms through the Studio line) has included documentation that says they are designed to be played with grills on. Perhaps the new Atoms are different (my first Atoms were purchased before the grill could even be removed), so I'm just speaking in generalizations here.

Can't say I always follow that advice, as some of these look pretty damn slick with the grills off. ;)

I asked about that once and someone posted a link to Paradigm stating the grills should be on.

I think it is in this thread somewhere.

I was going to buy some speakers, but they looked so much like scratching posts I did not do it. ;)

The absolutly worst thing that can happen from taking the grilles off is that the HF is a little "hotter". If you have a heavily damped room (overstuffed furniture, full carpeting, heavy drapes) it might be a good thing. Particulary if you're sitting more off axis.

The absolutly worst thing that can happen from taking the grilles off is that the HF is a little "hotter". If you have a heavily damped room (overstuffed furniture, full carpeting, heavy drapes) it might be a good thing. Particulary if you're sitting more off axis.

Supposedly the grills provide better sound dispersion from all drivers, not just the HF. Whether that's true or not, who knows.

I leave my grills on, and have great sound throughout my room, with no off-axis issues.

The absolutly worst thing that can happen from taking the grilles off is that the HF is a little "hotter". If you have a heavily damped room (overstuffed furniture, full carpeting, heavy drapes) it might be a good thing. Particulary if you're sitting more off axis.

Supposedly the grills provide better sound dispersion from all drivers, not just the HF. Whether that's true or not, who knows. I leave my grills on, and have great sound throughout my room, with no off-axis issues.
I've gone extened periods of time with grills on and off, and never noticed a difference. I do have full carpeting, but I virtually never sit off-axis. ;)

Studio much better. If you have good subwoofer the Studio 20's can play down to 80 Hz just fine. It is not even a competition...

Why are the studios better? I understand they are recognized as "higher" end but what is it about them that are better? I am just curious to get opinions because I don't know why anyone would by the monitor 9s since they are the same price and I am going through this now. Thanks!

I've gone extened periods of time with grills on and off, and never noticed a difference. I do have full carpeting, but I virtually never sit off-axis. ;)


Agreed, I think they are designed for maximum dispersion throughout the room, mainly for off axis listeners...

I always leave the grills on, for the pretty factor, but the come off for the people wanting to investigate.

Why are the studios better? I understand they are recognized as "higher" end but what is it about them that are better? I am just curious to get opinions because I don't know why anyone would by the monitor 9s since they are the same price and I am going through this now. Thanks!

The tweeter is much smoother, midrandge much clearer. The cabinet is far superior.

The tweeter is much smoother, midrandge much clearer. The cabinet is far superior.
I'll second that. The Monitors have their advantages:

1) Much easier to drive, but the Studio's aren't exactly hard to drive. I'd probably argue that unless your using a sub $500 A/V receiver you will be better off with the Studio's.

2) Because the Monitors you're looking at are floor standing, they are more stable in case you have children. You will also have to pay for stands which may make the Studio 20's more expensive than you are expecting. While I like Paradigm stands, when my customers see the pricing they often let me procure stands from a more reasonably priced alternative source.

This is the review that first got me interested in the Paradigm studio line (although its for the v4 model).

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/307paradigm/

I moved up from the 190 to 290 and the improvement was dramatically better...midrange is just great. I imagine the move from 190 to 390 will be more dramatic.

If I had the choice of Monitor 9's or Studio 20's I would buy the 20's. I have heard both and the 20's have a much better high and mid-range. Much more clear and defined. The bass on the 20's was also tight and crisp and went much deeper than I expected for a bookshelf.

The absolutly worst thing that can happen from taking the grilles off is that the HF is a little "hotter". If you have a heavily damped room (overstuffed furniture, full carpeting, heavy drapes) it might be a good thing. Particulary if you're sitting more off axis.

Agreed, I think they are designed for maximum dispersion throughout the room, mainly for off axis listeners...

I always leave the grills on, for the pretty factor, but the come off for the people wanting to investigate.

FYI...from the newest reference catalogue and the new studio V5's

"Removable Grille Assemblies:
The latest generation of Paradigm®Reference speakers is designed to sound every bit as clean, clear and transparent when playing with the grilles on or off."

Cheers!

FYI...from the newest reference catalogue and the new studio V5's

"Removable Grille Assemblies:
The latest generation of Paradigm®Reference speakers is designed to sound every bit as clean, clear and transparent when playing with the grilles on or off."

Just what my wife didn't need...an excuse for me to upgrade from V4 to V5!:D

Just what my wife didn't need...an excuse for me to upgrade from V4 to V5!:D

Please apologize to your wife for me. ;)

Cheers!

FYI...from the newest reference catalogue and the new studio V5's

"Removable Grille Assemblies:
The latest generation of Paradigm®Reference speakers is designed to sound every bit as clean, clear and transparent when playing with the grilles on or off."

Cheers!

Personally I felt that the previous declaration of Paradigm (.v4 and earlier) stating that the speakers sounded better and got more dispersion with the grills on was silly... I was only repeating what they had in their manual. Which is probably why they changed their perspective.

I would really be more impressed if Paradigm implemented Magnetic grills on the .v5 Studios, I certainly hope that they were saving that for the .v3 sigs, which all signs point to them being displayed at Cedia in Sept... I will be attending :D

Personally I felt that the previous declaration of Paradigm (.v4 and earlier) stating that the speakers sounded better and got more dispersion with the grills on was silly... I was only repeating what they had in their manual. Which is probably why they changed their perspective.

I would really be more impressed if Paradigm implemented Magnetic grills on the .v5 Studios, I certainly hope that they were saving that for the .v3 sigs, which all signs point to them being displayed at Cedia in Sept... I will be attending :D

Interestingly enough, the manual that comes with the V5's still recommends to leave the grills on but I think they are still using the V4 manuals!

A definite +1 for magnetic grills! Hate looking at all the holes!!

Gents...Could you help me with a little care and feeding for my Paradigm speakers? I just received a pair of S8s and a C5, in cherry, that I bought used and they showed up in poor shape. The cherry veneer finish is scuffed from top to bottom on all three speakers.

Any thoughts on how to buff out the scuffs? Would you recommend a specific technique or product?

Thanks

Interestingly enough, the manual that comes with the V5's still recommends to leave the grills on but I think they are still using the V4 manuals!

A definite +1 for magnetic grills! Hate looking at all the holes!!

Oh and recessed or flush mounted drivers would be another nice step up as well...

Oh and recessed or flush mounted drivers would be another nice step up as well...

Drool!! :)

Oh and recessed or flush mounted drivers would be another nice step up as well...

They'll save that for your Sigs...:D

J.

Antique store that does refinishing might be a good place to ask. Paradigm might have some suggestions.


Gents...Could you help me with a little care and feeding for my Paradigm speakers? I just received a pair of S8s and a C5, in cherry, that I bought used and they showed up in poor shape. The cherry veneer finish is scuffed from top to bottom on all three speakers.

Any thoughts on how to buff out the scuffs? Would you recommend a specific technique or product?

Thanks

Looking at upgrading from my monitor setup to the studio series. My ? is how much better are the 60s over the 20s in a room about 20x20? And please don't say 40. :) Will I be lacking much by going with the 20s? Or do you think it's worth it to spend the extra on the 60s? Thanks in advance

Looking at upgrading from my monitor setup to the studio series. My ? is how much better are the 60s over the 20s in a room about 20x20? And please don't say 40. :) Will I be lacking much by going with the 20s? Or do you think it's worth it to spend the extra on the 60s? Thanks in advance

I have a set of 20s and 60s. The 60s have better low end, but they do sound very similar other wise.

If you're buying the J29 stands with the 20s, you're near the same price range as the 60s anyways :)

OK I am going to be completely honest -- when it comes to sound I am a noob. I am unfortunately also a noob that lives in Alaska. We have two AV stores and they both sell significantly overpriced stuff..... So I can go online and do all my research for projectors, tv's, receivers etc and I have done that and am getting my HT setup. BUT I cannot listen to speakers. So I am going to get "stuck" buying speakers i didn't listen to. I am accepting this and buying decent quality and hoping for assistance.

I can get the Paradigm Reference Millenia 200 / 20 system for a good price, but I am also looking at the axiom VP150v2 with the M60v2 as center. Not going to discuss exact cost, but it would be a tad more for the axioms.

I am hooking it up to a SC-07 it will become part of a 5.1/7.1 system (haven't decided) the room is 10-12 feet wide (opens up in the back for the back row) and 24ft long.

I plan on going 80-90% movies and the rest music

So the question is simple -- what would you guys buy and why? I am obviously looking for something to fill up the room, be more "neutral" so that different people will like it and not be to harsh

Appreciate your thoughts

Antique store that does refinishing might be a good place to ask. Paradigm might have some suggestions.

Thanks! I called Paradigm and they recommended the same. I've been able to work wonders using Howard Feed-N-Wax and Restor-A-Finish. Also, in extreme cases, like what I had on the tops of my S8s, I'd recommend using an acrylic polish, like what RadTech sells ("Ice Creme") for iPods. Although, the "downside" is that it buffs the finish to a finer polish than the original finish. Better than scratches in my book.

Interesting effect of varying the crossover on my Monitor 7 v6 main speakers with CC-190 v6 center:

I was normally running an 80hz crossover to the sub, a PC13 Ultra. No complaints about the bottom end in that configuration. My room though does cause a dip from the mains, around 99 hz. In testing with REW I saw that this was most pronounced when measuring just the mains, or the mains and sub crossed at 80hz. When testing the sub only, no dip.

OK, so I tried setting the crossover on the receiver to 100hz, since I have the sub up front right next to the mains. After measuring, in that configuration, the dip at 99hz is essentially gone due to less input from the mains and much more from the sub at that frequency. Fine, but how does it sound?

Since the sub is up front right next to the main speakers, no localization problem at all. The sound is a touch punchier and a tad more level down low. OK, so what's the point Oval....?

The point is the surprise. The treble. Very noticably more smoother and dimensional. I'd heard before that a higher crossover can make Paradigms sing, and now I understand that idea. I believe it's that since the receiver is not trying to reproduce as much of the most demanding bottom end, it has more amplifier headroom freed up. That allows the amps to feed the speakers a cleaner signal, and as transparent as these speakers are, I think what I'm hearing is essentially the same effect as adding outboard amp separates. I'm hearing the cleaner signal. Pretty cool.


Tim

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my t-shirt is saturated in this 'drool' stuff

Looking for some input. I have an Onkyo 886 pre/pro with 5 mono amps. Original plan was to get 5 Studio 20s and 2 Studio 10s along with my existing Hsu 12" sub for a 7.1 system. Reading some professional reviewers comments make me now wonder if the added 2 back surrounds and the necessary 2 additional amplifier channels would be worth the additional cost over and above a 5.1 system. Any thoughts?

Looking for some input. I have an Onkyo 886 pre/pro with 5 mono amps. Original plan was to get 5 Studio 20s and 2 Studio 10s along with my existing Hsu 12" sub for a 7.1 system. Reading some professional reviewers comments make me now wonder if the added 2 back surrounds and the necessary 2 additional amplifier channels would be worth the additional cost over and above a 5.1 system. Any thoughts?

How big is your room? What's the configuration? What do you mostly watch? How loud?

For a dedicated HT, 7.1 is nice, but whether it's worth it to you or not is a personal decision around cost.

Personally, I would pick bigger speakers for your front sound stage before going 7.1, like 40's or 60's or 100's with the 590 or 690.

Personally, I would pick bigger speakers for your front sound stage before going 7.1, like 40's or 60's or 100's with the 590 or 690.

That's what I did. Rather than invest in a good set of surround rears, I upgraded my front 20's to 40's. Great decision. Plus, since I've never heard a 7.1 home system in action, I don't know what I'm missing. Blissfully unaware, some might say. ;)

Hi folks,

I just purchased Onkyo TX-SR806 and looking to buy Paradigm speakers for my HT. HT sits in a townhouse basement. The whole room is 15 ft x 25.5 ft. HT takes half of it, meaning that speakers will be placed at one longer wall (close to the room end) facing the other longer wall.

I listened to Monitor 7, 9, 11 and Studio 60 at dealer's showroom. So my question is this -- would Studio 60 be an overkill for such room size?

Hi folks,

I just purchased Onkyo TX-SR806 and looking to buy Paradigm speakers for my HT. HT sits in a townhouse basement. The whole room is 15 ft x 25.5 ft. HT takes half of it, meaning that speakers will be placed at one longer wall (close to the room end) facing the other longer wall.

I listened to Monitor 7, 9, 11 and Studio 60 at dealer's showroom. So my question is this -- would Studio 60 be an overkill for such room size?

Doubt it and if your dealer is willing take home some demo's and try it my
room is 17 ft deep and 100's are playing just fine.

I started a thread asking this question. However, since this is a dedicated Paradigm thread it might be suited better here.

I just picked up the following setup:

- 2 Paradigm Studio 100 V.3 Front Speakers
- 1 Paridigm Reference Servo 15 V.2 Sub
- 1 Paradigm Studio CC-570 V.3 Center
- 4 Paradigm Studio ADP-470 V.3 Surround Speakers

I paid $2100 for the entire package. How would you rate this deal? I will be upgrading from my current Boston Acoustic Setup (Mains - VR940s, Center - VR910, Sub - Micro90, Rears - VRS-Pros). I am hoping to get $500-$600 for these, taking my upgrade price to $1500-$1600 for the Paradigms.

Thanks,

Chris

Hi folks,

I just purchased Onkyo TX-SR806 and looking to buy Paradigm speakers for my HT. HT sits in a townhouse basement. The whole room is 15 ft x 25.5 ft. HT takes half of it, meaning that speakers will be placed at one longer wall (close to the room end) facing the other longer wall.

I listened to Monitor 7, 9, 11 and Studio 60 at dealer's showroom. So my question is this -- would Studio 60 be an overkill for such room size?

I have Studio 100's in a room about that size (maybe slightly bigger) and they're great. Studio 60's will most definitely need a good sub even with music and even more so for movies, so no overkill there. Maybe even slightly underkill without that subwoofer backup.

And definitely consider putting a good multi-channel power amp in the 200-250 watts/channel range into the mix. The Studio and Signature line-up really opens up with that kind of clean power and extra headroom only afforded with a beefy amp.

Your 806 has 7.1 channel pre-amp outputs and so you can grab a bundle of Blue Jeans Cables' analog audio cables from Belden to connect the receiver and the amp. No need to waste money on boutique audio cables.

Studio 60's will most definitely need a good sub even with music and even more so for movies, so no overkill there. Maybe even slightly underkill without that subwoofer backup.
Dan, thank you for your inputs. Being tight on money, I wanted to buy speakers in steps. Did I understand you correctly that after Studio 60 front speakers next important thing would be sub? I planned for center speaker to be next, but this is not cast in stone and I open for suggestions. Thanks!

I'd go with what you're thinking, Eternum (Fronts, center, sub, surround).

Same here.

J.

I started a thread asking this question. However, since this is a dedicated Paradigm thread it might be suited better here.

I just picked up the following setup:

- 2 Paradigm Studio 100 V.3 Front Speakers
- 1 Paridigm Reference Servo 15 V.2 Sub
- 1 Paradigm Studio CC-570 V.3 Center
- 4 Paradigm Studio ADP-470 V.3 Surround Speakers

I paid $2100 for the entire package. How would you rate this deal? I will be upgrading from my current Boston Acoustic Setup (Mains - VR940s, Center - VR910, Sub - Micro90, Rears - VRS-Pros). I am hoping to get $500-$600 for these, taking my upgrade price to $1500-$1600 for the Paradigms.

Chris


That is a very good price with sub included, the servo .v2 is a great product.
Just make sure that is the version of it.
You will have a great system chris , good luck selling your
old stuff.

Guys, New member here. I just bought a Cinema 110 CT speaker system and I also have a Denon 1910 on order.
I am about to get all the cables from Monoprice. What wire guage do I need for the speaker connections? Is 14AWG good enough for an apartment setup? What kind of cables do I need for the subwoofer? Do I need anything else other than the cables to go between the receiver and speakers ?

Appreciate the help.

Edit - sorry if this is not the right thread to post this question.

Guys, New member here. I just bought a Cinema 110 CT speaker system and I also have a Denon 1910 on order.
I am about to get all the cables from Monoprice. What wire guage do I need for the speaker connections? Is 14AWG good enough for an apartment setup? What kind of cables do I need for the subwoofer? Do I need anything else other than the cables to go between the receiver and speakers ?

Appreciate the help.

Edit - sorry if this is not the right thread to post this question.
Welcome to the wonderful world of home theater! For your speaker wire, unless you're running really long lengths, 14 gauge is just fine. And for your sub connection, technically any good 75 ohm RCA cable would suffice, but something with decent shielding will reduce any noise in the sub. Monoprice is a great way to go, and this cable (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=620&seq=1&format=4) should work well for you as long as 12 ft. is a long enough length. If it's not, just look for something similar in a longer length.

Enjoy!

Welcome to the wonderful world of home theater! For your speaker wire, unless you're running really long lengths, 14 gauge is just fine. And for your sub connection, technically any good 75 ohm RCA cable would suffice, but something with decent shielding will reduce any noise in the sub. Monoprice is a great way to go, and this cable (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=620&seq=1&format=4) should work well for you as long as 12 ft. is a long enough length. If it's not, just look for something similar in a longer length.

Enjoy!

Thank you. I'm very excited to finally switch to a real home theater system from Logitech 5.1 speakers. One more question for you guys. I am planning to mount both fronts and surrounds on speaker stands. The paradigm speaker stands LS-20 (http://www.amazon.com/Paradigm-LS-20-Floorstanding-Speaker-Silver/dp/B002BA5ILS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248829143&sr=1-1) are above my budget. Are there any cheaper alternatives for the speaker stands?

I found a cpl of speaker stands that are much cheaper. Does anyone use the Cinema speakers (110 specifically) with these stands?

http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Satellite-77305018-Speaker-Stands/dp/B000289DC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248829329&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Satellite-SPSCUR47-Speaker-Titanium/dp/B000289DCG/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248829350&sr=1-6

Are there any cheaper alternatives for the speaker stands?
Both standsandmounts.com (http://www.standsandmounts.com/) and racksandstands.com (http://www.racksandstands.com/) are reputable and competitive. The Paradigm/Premier speaker stands are nice, but very pricey as you've noticed.

Dan, thank you for your inputs. Being tight on money, I wanted to buy speakers in steps. Did I understand you correctly that after Studio 60 front speakers next important thing would be sub? I planned for center speaker to be next, but this is not cast in stone and I open for suggestions. Thanks!


Well, I'd probably go with the CC-690 (or another Studio 60 if you want to go into the realm of acoustically transparent projection screens) next, then the surrounds (if you're into music at all I would get another pair of 60's as multi-channel music from SA-CD, DVD-Audio, and now Blu-ray concerts and the upcoming music only Blu-ray discs, is killer).

Get the larger Studio bookshelf speakers for the back surrounds. I'd probably get the subwoofer before the back speakers.

Before you get a sub just be sure the LFE .1 channel isn't routed back to the main speakers. Easiest way to do that is to tell your surround processor you have a sub even though you don't.

I am having a hard time choosing here between these paradigm speakers..

This is my 2nd theatre room dedicated to 98 % movies and hdtv sports.

Millennia 20 vs millennia 30 ( 1000 differance in price) is this worth it is the sound that much better..

Lat option is between cinema 330 vs millennia 20 ( diff $1500) are the millennia 20's a lot better than the cinema 330..

Lastly im thinking of getting the denon 1910 considering the 2310 as well if 1910 can do the job on the above I will stick to buying that how ever would the 2310 make a differance .........Im torn apart if I had to get the floor speakers i would have picked studio 100's hand down but this room has to have them on the wall.

Dan, thank you for your inputs. Being tight on money, I wanted to buy speakers in steps. Did I understand you correctly that after Studio 60 front speakers next important thing would be sub? I planned for center speaker to be next, but this is not cast in stone and I open for suggestions. Thanks!

I moved my Atoms to the rear when I bought my V4 Studio 40's. Ran the centre channel as a phantom with good results. A few months later I picked up a v4. CC 590. The difference was incredible. Next month I will finally add a sub. IMO I would get the surround speakers next followed by the CC and finally the sub.

Oh and recessed or flush mounted drivers would be another nice step up as well...

I think that is one reason Paradigm recommends leaving the grills on. When they are mounted the drivers are flush with the face of the grill and the rounded edges help to reduce edge diffraction. The grills are an integral part of the cabinet design. Very smart.

Ok guys I need help!

I have studio 60 v3's and a cc-570 - I have never been happy with the 570 and its clarity. I really like the vocal clarity of the 60's in stereo much more but for movies obviously that isn't an option (without phantom center setup).

What options do I have?

I was almost thinking of selling my whole front stage and adp-590 V5's and getting JTR Triple 8's for left/right speakers and running a phantom ceter (since my l/r chanels are only 4 feet appart and fund are limited)

Has anybody heard any news of Paradigm purchasing Martin Logan?

Ok guys I need help!

I have studio 60 v3's and a cc-570 - I have never been happy with the 570 and its clarity. I really like the vocal clarity of the 60's in stereo much more but for movies obviously that isn't an option (without phantom center setup).

What options do I have?

I was almost thinking of selling my whole front stage and adp-590 V5's and getting JTR Triple 8's for left/right speakers and running a phantom ceter (since my l/r chanels are only 4 feet appart and fund are limited)

If you're considering that, why not just run the 60's with a phantom center?

Ok guys I need help!

I have studio 60 v3's and a cc-570 - I have never been happy with the 570 and its clarity. I really like the vocal clarity of the 60's in stereo much more but for movies obviously that isn't an option (without phantom center setup).

What options do I have?

I was almost thinking of selling my whole front stage and adp-590 V5's and getting JTR Triple 8's for left/right speakers and running a phantom ceter (since my l/r chanels are only 4 feet appart and fund are limited)

You have a pair of 60s only 4' apart? :eek:

I would experiment with placement, angling and level before I up and replaced everything. You have good gear.

I cant place them further apart. I have an "AV Cove" in the room where all my gear besides my surround are.

If you're considering that, why not just run the 60's with a phantom center?

Because if I am going to do that why not just upgrade... thats my thought and since music means almost nothing to me I was thinking JTR's

Because if I am going to do that why not just upgrade... thats my thought and since music means almost nothing to me I was thinking JTR's

Because the 60's are a great pair of speakers. Seems silly to upgrade to something that is at best comparable.

I hear AMAZING things about JTR's for movie dynamic. Everyone who has ever heard them seems to be amazed.

I cant place them further apart. I have an "AV Cove" in the room where all my gear besides my surround are.

Is your CC inside something as well? If that is the case thats probably what is accounting for your displeasure with it. If so it's doubtful another sub would do any better.

Because the 60's are a great pair of speakers. Seems silly to upgrade to something that is at best comparable.

+1

I hear AMAZING things about JTR's for movie dynamic. Everyone who has ever heard them seems to be amazed.

Same can be said for the Paradigms.

The JTR reviews just blow me away because dynamics and clarity are their strong points.

I heard people who had 100k wilson setups switched to JTR's for movies.

Next step above that is the Seaton Catalysts - self powered....

If you want to talk about blown away - that is a whole new level for me... Just downright jaw dropping :eek:
If my decor wasn't so important to me, I would have a set of those myself...

I think I might make the leap as soon as I get a job. I may even save for the triple 12lf's but I would have to forgo a center chanel - no way 3 of those would fit in my room

Thank you. I'm very excited to finally switch to a real home theater system from Logitech 5.1 speakers. One more question for you guys. I am planning to mount both fronts and surrounds on speaker stands. The paradigm speaker stands LS-20 (http://www.amazon.com/Paradigm-LS-20-Floorstanding-Speaker-Silver/dp/B002BA5ILS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248829143&sr=1-1) are above my budget. Are there any cheaper alternatives for the speaker stands?

I found a cpl of speaker stands that are much cheaper. Does anyone use the Cinema speakers (110 specifically) with these stands?

http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Satellite-77305018-Speaker-Stands/dp/B000289DC6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248829329&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Satellite-SPSCUR47-Speaker-Titanium/dp/B000289DCG/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1248829350&sr=1-6

Did you end up going with that brand of speaker stand for your 110s, or settle on something else? Did anybody else have any feedback on these? The specs say they only hold 2lbs, which is much less than those 110s weigh.

Did you end up going with that brand of speaker stand for your 110s, or settle on something else? Did anybody else have any feedback on these? The specs say they only hold 2lbs, which is much less than those 110s weigh.

No. Not yet.. I'm getting my 110s on Monday. I want to actually look at the rear panel before I buy any stands. I emailed customer service from Sanus and the guy said one of these 2 might be a possibility (mounting using 1 screw):

http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/speaker-foundations/sp-euro/EFSat
http://www.sanus.com/us/en/products/speaker-foundations/sp-hover/HF1
They have Sanus stands on amaozn and I read that these are much better in quality compared to those atlantic ones.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002481EQ/ref=s9_simb_gw_xu_s1_p23_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1VR6K6AWRJ18YMQTEA63&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006A03LA/ref=s9_simb_gw_xu_s1_p23_i4?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_r=1VR6K6AWRJ18YMQTEA63&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938811&pf_rd_i=507846

I would love to get an opinion from someone who owns the 110s.

I don't think that second link would work, but I could be wrong. It just seems too flimsy based on the size/position of the 110s. I'd say the first would work, but I can't exactly tell what the different mounting options are.

I changed from a paradigm cc-570 (one mid and two bass drivers) to a cc-690 (3 mids and 2 bass drivers) with both placed in the same location and in the same wiring BUT did not run Audyssey again when I changed speakers. The problem is that now the vocal sync is off and does not match the lips moving on screen.

My onkyo 805 has multiEQ XT and like I said the distance and wires did not change

Could audyssey be causing this? Could the speaker be defective??

I changed from a paradigm cc-570 (one mid and two bass drivers) to a cc-690 (3 mids and 2 bass drivers) with both placed in the same location and in the same wiring BUT did not run Audyssey again when I changed speakers. The problem is that now the vocal sync is off and does not match the lips moving on screen.

My onkyo 805 has multiEQ XT and like I said the distance and wires did not change

Could audyssey be causing this? Could the speaker be defective??Without being there to troubleshoot I hate to make an off the cuff diagnosis, but it is not the speaker. Try turning off Audyssey and any other 'simulated' EQ functions on your Onkyo. Go into your speaker settings and make sure they aren't set at any great distance. Also make sure the dvd player doesn't have some type of EQ functionality. Good luck.

Try turning off Audyssey and any other 'simulated' EQ functions on your Onkyo. Go into your speaker settings and make sure they aren't set at any great distance. Also make sure the dvd player doesn't have some type of EQ functionality.
And rerun Audyssey. Audyssey does very specific measurements for each speaker in your system. It's unreasonable to expect to swap out a speaker for a totally different speaker (even if they're both made by the same manufacturer) and have the results match.

And rerun Audyssey. Audyssey does very specific measurements for each speaker in your system. It's unreasonable to expect to swap out a speaker for a totally different speaker (even if they're both made by the same manufacturer) and have the results match.

My system is all over the place now - I just got the urge to make speaker cables and a stained wood/custom speaker grill power hub/chest/cap to go over my power strip and wires... Once everything is done or close to done Ill try it again

Guys I have Studio 60's and a CC-690 (v5's), 70% HT/TV, 30% music, I am currently using an Onkyo 806 to drive my 5.1 system. I would like to upgrade my receiver... but I can't decide what to get, a 1500-2k receiver, or a separate amp and use the Onkyo as a pre/pro. So my question is, in the $1500 realm what should I go with? Or what do I need to spend to really showcase my Studios? Right now I feel like I am not hearing the true potential of my v5 studios.

Guys I have Studio 60's and a CC-690 (v5's), 70% HT/TV, 30% music, I am currently using an Onkyo 806 to drive my 5.1 system. I would like to upgrade my receiver... but I can't decide what to get, a 1500-2k receiver, or a separate amp and use the Onkyo as a pre/pro. So my question is, in the $1500 realm what should I go with? Or what do I need to spend to really showcase my Studios? Right now I feel like I am not hearing the true potential of my v5 studios.

Too bad you waited and got an 806 instead of the 805. The 805 had a much stouter amp section. I have an Integra 7.8, which is basically an 805. It drives some v5 100s just fine. :) I even run them full range in 2 channel mode.

Guys I have Studio 60's and a CC-690 (v5's), 70% HT/TV, 30% music, I am currently using an Onkyo 806 to drive my 5.1 system. I would like to upgrade my receiver... but I can't decide what to get, a 1500-2k receiver, or a separate amp and use the Onkyo as a pre/pro. So my question is, in the $1500 realm what should I go with? Or what do I need to spend to really showcase my Studios? Right now I feel like I am not hearing the true potential of my v5 studios.

You might want to look at the Emotiva in that price range as an external amp and use the 806 as a pre-pro.

I was considering some pro-amps down the road, yamaha pro is suppose to be good and I believe crest.

I got the 806 for $450... and I did not think I would ever get into this line of speakers (budget wise) but here I am, and I do not regret it. I was planning to get some Ascend speakers, but my wife was strongly against buying speakers without hearing them. After doing an entire weekend of auditioning, we settled on the Paradigms v5 since at the audition time only v4's were out and they were so boxy. IMO the v5's sound more refined if you will, than the v4's, plus the aesthetics (WAF)... In any case, since we blew the budget on the Paradigm's, I had to wait a few months, but I would like to upgrade the Onkyo, I just do not know what matches well with Paradigms so I thought I would ask some fellow owners for their thoughts. I would like to keep it around 2k if possible. I was looking at some class D amps but they are pricy... I dunno.

...I just do not know what matches well with Paradigms so I thought I would ask some fellow owners for their thoughts. I would like to keep it around 2k if possible....

I use an Outlaw 7500 5-channel amp to drive my Studios. Sounds excellent. I hear great things about Emotiva amps as well. Both are (relatively) easy on the budget and have great customer support and satisfaction.

Guys, New member here. I just bought a Cinema 110 CT speaker system and I also have a Denon 1910 on order.
I am about to get all the cables from Monoprice. What wire guage do I need for the speaker connections? Is 14AWG good enough for an apartment setup? What kind of cables do I need for the subwoofer? Do I need anything else other than the cables to go between the receiver and speakers ?

Appreciate the help.

Edit - sorry if this is not the right thread to post this question.

For any run length of 25 feet or less, 16 AWG speaker wire is more than thick enough. There really is no acoustic benefit to using speaker wire thicker than 16 AWG for normal home use. The difference in the thickness of 14 and 16 AWG wire is only 0.009 inches. Not enough to make any difference in sound quality.

In the past I used the thickest wire I could get, but I found it hard to conceal by running the wire under the carpet or had trouble fitting it in standard conduits.

I recommend the 16 AWG speaker wire from Monoprice. It comes with a white jacket that makes it easier to hide along the baseboard. It is also rated for in-wall use.

Just a quick note to let everyone know about my thoughts re ceiling speakers. I was hesitant at first regarding them but upon having the wife insisting on them I just installed some Paradigm SA15's and SA15R30'S in my loungeroom.

EXCELLENT....... They are hooked up to my cc690, Yammaha 3900 and SVS PB13ultra. I am still waiting for my studio 100's to arrive.

If anyone thinks they aren't as good as dedicated bookshelf speakers than you would be pleasantly surprised. Easy to install and sound great.

I use an Outlaw 7500 5-channel amp to drive my Studios. Sounds excellent. I hear great things about Emotiva amps as well. Both are (relatively) easy on the budget and have great customer support and satisfaction.

I have been looking at amps quite a bit over the last month or so, is there anything with say 200x3 or 5 that has a small form factor? We are not thrilled at the size of some of these amps, and the weight... I guess that is what attracted me to the class D amps but Wyred4Sound and D-Sonic are so damn pricy. Anyone know any more budget friendly ice amp alternatives? I even considered geting the Pioneer SC-xx since they have an ice amp for their amplifier section. Man I wish buying audio equipment was a little more straight forward, too many options, and if you buy the wrong thing your system sounds sub par :confused:

I have been looking at amps quite a bit over the last month or so, is there anything with say 200x3 or 5 that has a small form factor? We are not thrilled at the size of some of these amps, and the weight... I guess that is what attracted me to the class D amps but Wyred4Sound and D-Sonic are so damn pricy. Anyone know any more budget friendly ice amp alternatives? I even considered geting the Pioneer SC-xx since they have an ice amp for their amplifier section. Man I wish buying audio equipment was a little more straight forward, too many options, and if you buy the wrong thing your system sounds sub par :confused:

Sorry, I wish I could offer some advice. When I was shopping for amps, I wasn't concerned about form factor. But one thing I can suggest is to monitor the listings on Audiogon for a good deal on what would otherwise be a too-expensive amp. Happy hunting!

Is the Studio CC-570 center too big for the Studio 20s to keep up with as left/right channels?

I have been looking at amps quite a bit over the last month or so, is there anything with say 200x3 or 5 that has a small form factor? We are not thrilled at the size of some of these amps, and the weight... I guess that is what attracted me to the class D amps but Wyred4Sound and D-Sonic are so damn pricy. Anyone know any more budget friendly ice amp alternatives? I even considered geting the Pioneer SC-xx since they have an ice amp for their amplifier section. Man I wish buying audio equipment was a little more straight forward, too many options, and if you buy the wrong thing your system sounds sub par :confused:


Emotiva is the budget amp company, and people seem to be loving them..

Look at used Rotel, Parasound... etc etc there are lots of used great amps on Audiogon.com

Is the Studio CC-570 center too big for the Studio 20s to keep up with as left/right channels?
No, not at all. Within a given product line (v.3, v.4, v.5, etc.), all the Studio speakers use the same drivers, so they are perfectly matched. Presumably, you'll have a subwoofer to help out the 20s (and the center, too), so it will balance very nicely.

Fellas.

I currently have the MiniMonitors as my fronts. I'm ready to expand out of this 2.0 system. Paradigm suggets ADP-190s for the rears and the CC290 for the center. Sound good?

Room is about 10x10... perhaps a little wider. Should be a perfect fit. I would have to find some stands for the 190s!

Just wanted some suggestions :)

^^^^
Suggestions about what? Speaker stands? If that's what you're asking about, I've recommended both standsandmounts.com (http://www.standsandmounts.com/) and racksandstands.com (http://www.racksandstands.com/) in the past. Good selection and seem to have some of the best prices.

If you're asking about the possible speaker setup, I think you'll be very happy. That is, until you hear the Studio 20s or Signature S2s. :):):)

Hello All,

Paradigm Studio 100s V2 & Sub woofer With a Rotel RSP-1068 processor.
What's your recommendation for the best 2-channel sound?
SPEAKERS: LARGE OR SMALL
CROSSOVER SETTING

I listen to jazz with a Rotel VD player.

IMO you should set your speakers to small, and let the Sub handle the low stuff and take some strain off the mains...

You really need to measure your in room response to see what the appropriate xover setting is.... every room is different and that will determine what best xover setting to use...

I just bought A used pair of Par. 90p v2 I believe.Why do you have to use speaker cables and sub in from you,re AVR. to activate the powered subs?

^^^^
Suggestions about what? Speaker stands? If that's what you're asking about, I've recommended both standsandmounts.com (http://www.standsandmounts.com/) and racksandstands.com (http://www.racksandstands.com/) in the past. Good selection and seem to have some of the best prices.

If you're asking about the possible speaker setup, I think you'll be very happy. That is, until you hear the Studio 20s or Signature S2s. :):):)

Thanks for both suggestions! LOL I just got the Mini's and they will do for now... I don't need the upgrade bug biting me just yet ;)!

Fellas.

I currently have the MiniMonitors as my fronts. I'm ready to expand out of this 2.0 system. Paradigm suggets ADP-190s for the rears and the CC290 for the center. Sound good?

Room is about 10x10... perhaps a little wider. Should be a perfect fit. I would have to find some stands for the 190s!

Just wanted some suggestions :)

The 290's would be a very good match for the Mini's and 190's.
I have the 290 matched with the Monitor 11's and Atoms and they blend very well. Was using Monitor 3's as fronts with the 290 and they went very well together...closer to your Mini's.

The 290's would be a very good match for the Mini's and 190's.
I have the 290 matched with the Monitor 11's and Atoms and they blend very well. Was using Monitor 3's as fronts with the 290 and they went very well together...closer to your Mini's.

Awesome.

Now the real question is... buy the 290 now, and the 190s down the road... or wait a little longer and buy them all at once :)

But then again that question should probably follow...

Should I leave my TV in the room its in now where a 5.1 system would only work if I mounted the TV above the fireplace, or should I get someone (who I have no idea) to run a cable jack to the other room where a 5.1 system is much more plausible??? Hmmm... :D

I was curious if anyone had some ideas for replacing my center channel. Here's my setup:

Front L&R - Paradigm Monitor 9's (v.2) (just bought)
Center - Paradigm CC-370 (v.2)
Surround L&R - Paradigm Monitor 7's (v.2) (just bought)
Surround Back L&R - Paradigm Monitor 3's (v.2)
Presence L&R - Paradigm Mini Monitor's (v.2)
Sub - Paradigm PS-1200 (v.2) (just bought)

I had the 3's up front before, and now with the 9's I was thinking about replacing the center. Maybe the CC-570 (7.5" woofer - close to the 9's 8") or the CC-390 (for bragging rites - just kidding)

Any opinions?

Hi folks,

I'm about to pull the trigger on Studio 60 v5 fronts.

I know that MSRP is about $2,000. From your experience, do dealers budge at all when selling those or this price is firm as rock and non-negotiable? If they do, what realistically can be achieved in terms of bringing price down?

Thanks!

^^^ Standard practice, at least here in Canada, is about 20% off for anything Paradigm. The store I go to, you don't even have to ask, they just give you 20% off MSRP right up front. You should be able to get the Studio 60's for around $1,600.

Thank you Mark! I'm in US, although do not know if that makes a difference from Paradigm price policy perspective.

Anyone with US experience?

Thank you Mark! I'm in US, although do not know if that makes a difference from Paradigm price policy perspective.

Anyone with US experience?

I got 10% on my v4 60's and CC-590 and 15% on my ADP-590's. I bought from the same dealer- fronts and center first purchase and about a month later the ADP's and he worked with me. I think some in here have claimed to get as much as 20% off.

I did my due diligence and was pleased with the price I got.

I am envious of your v5 60's but not enough to buy new ones. You will be pleased too.

Don

all -- i apologize in advance if this is too basic of a question. First a little back story. I have v.3 esprit towers for my fronts - these were purchased around 2004 or so. I think I have blown the woofer in each speaker. Basically when a lower tone is produced, just before you would think it would cross over to the sub the woofers produce a "paper flapping" sound. I pulled out the speakers to do a physical check and do not see any damage (tear, crack, etc) on the cone, but I have never blown a speaker before so I am really not sure what to look for. Is it the speaker, or can a crossover go bad? Any advice would be appreciated before I take it in to the local speaker shop to get it looked at.

So.... what happened to think that the speakers are blown. I went to plug in my MP3 player (connected to my receiver via one of those stereo mini headphone jacks to the MP3 player) I had the receiver on and plugged in the MP3 player, as it was on as well, and got a loud hum and pop. kind of like when you plug in a guitar to an amp when it is on. Anyway, it took the receiver into overload mode and shut it down.... but not before the pop from the speakers.

thanks again --

Guys I have Studio 60's and a CC-690 (v5's), 70% HT/TV, 30% music, I am currently using an Onkyo 806 to drive my 5.1 system. I would like to upgrade my receiver... but I can't decide what to get, a 1500-2k receiver, or a separate amp and use the Onkyo as a pre/pro. So my question is, in the $1500 realm what should I go with? Or what do I need to spend to really showcase my Studios? Right now I feel like I am not hearing the true potential of my v5 studios.

Do what I did... find an Arcam 350... These $2,500 receivers are now discontinued and you should be able to get one for $1,500 USD. Marantz works too.

Do what I did... find an Arcam 350... These $2,500 receivers are now discontinued and you should be able to get one for $1,500 USD. Marantz works too.

Why bother, add a cheap external amp and keep the 806... emotiva, yamaha pro, crest ect

I am looking for an 7 channel external amp either on clearance or used, as it gives me greater flexibility if I want to go with a pre/pro in the future, or go from 5.1 to 7.x. I love the small footprint of Class D amps but they are all outside of my $1500 budget. Audiogon has some good used amps, but man 50+lbs and HUGE, not very appealing to the decor. Maybe x-mas or one of these 3 paycheck months I will go with the wyred 4 sound mini mc 7, 220x7 :D

Hi folks,

I'm about to pull the trigger on Studio 60 v5 fronts.

I know that MSRP is about $2,000. From your experience, do dealers budge at all when selling those or this price is firm as rock and non-negotiable? If they do, what realistically can be achieved in terms of bringing price down?

Thanks!
You should expect to get 10-20% off msrp from a decent dealer depending on your purchase history and their flexibility/generosity. Tell them that you're willing to shop around and visit other dealers if you don't get 20% off and they'll likely make the sale. They're still clearing a nice profit at that discount. Never pay msrp.

J.

Anyone heard how the new studio 60s compare with the Salk songtowers?