I am looking for an 7 channel external amp either on clearance or used, as it gives me greater flexibility if I want to go with a pre/pro in the future, or go from 5.1 to 7.x. I love the small footprint of Class D amps but they are all outside of my $1500 budget. Audiogon has some good used amps, but man 50+lbs and HUGE, not very appealing to the decor. Maybe x-mas or one of these 3 paycheck months I will go with the wyred 4 sound mini mc 7, 220x7 :D

Three Mackie or Crown stereo pro amps will be under your budget, if you have a spot to put them (due to fan noise), four amps if you could get them on sale. My Mackie FR1400s drive Studio 60v3s, 570v3 center and 470ve sides, the fan noise is less then the two PCs I have in the same A/V closet. 300+ wpc @ 8 ohms, they replaced a triple set of Aragon 8008/2 audiophile amps. The Mackies run much cooler and are more dynamic, just as clean. They also seem to drive longer speaker cabling better. These amps didn't work well with my Thiels or Maggies in my two channel music system, but for 6 or 7 channel HT, where dynamics, ie. "sizzle and boom" trump your usual audiophile qualities, this is all one needs (IMHO :D)

Just for giggles and kicks, go to your local pro shop, pick one of these up, with the agreement that you can return it for a full refund (Guitar Center will do this) and try one out. Only way you will know.


http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/843/p1000750.jpg

Thank you everyone who responded with comments on pricing. In not so distant future I'm going to get center CC-490 or CC-590 in addition to 60's fronts (CC-690 is too big for the room). I hope local dealers have them so I can figure out which one suffice.

Also from what I heard, Sub 12 is pretty nice supplement to Studio series. Someone, however, pointed out to me that there are cheaper alternatives in terms of comparable quality in Velodyne product line. Can anyone comment on that?

Three Mackie or Crown stereo pro amps will be under your budget, if you have a spot to put them (due to fan noise) My Mackie FR1400s drive Studio 60v3s, 570v3 center and 470ve sides, the fan noise is less then the two PCs I have in the same A/V closet. 300+ wpc @ 8 ohms, they replaced a triple set of Aragon 8008/2 audiophile amps. The Mackies run much cooler and are more dynamic, just as clean. They also seem to drive longer speaker cabling better. These amps didn't work well with my Thiels or Maggies in my two channel music system, but for 6 or 7 channel HT, where dynamics, ie. "sizzle and boom" trump your usual audiophile qualities, this is all one needs (IMHO :D)

Just for giggles and kicks, go to your local pro shop, pick one of these up, with the agreement that you can return it for a full refund (Guitar Center will do this) and try one out. Only way you will know.




JK, are those green wires grounding your amps?

If so where did you ground it too? Also did you notice any difference after grounding such as less hum/buzz?

I'm running two Yamaha P3500S pro amps and I'm thinking that I should ground my amps due to the slight hum I am getting. However, I'm not sure if it will make a difference in my case since my amps are mounted to a pro-console. So I might have to go with an Ebtech Eliminator.

Thanks

JK, are those green wires grounding your amps?

If so where did you ground it too? Also did you notice any difference after grounding such as less hum/buzz?

I'm running two Yamaha P3500S pro amps and I'm thinking that I should ground my amps due to the slight hum I am getting. However, I'm not sure if it will make a difference in my case since my amps are mounted to a pro-console. So I might have to go with an Ebtech Eliminator.

Thanks

Yes, they are grounding wires, put there to reduce hum. In my system, I have a 230 volt sub panel, for the A/V system. One 15 amp circuit feeding my pre-pro and other audio equipment, a 20 amp circuit for the three power amps, plus two other 15 amp circuits for video, and PC equipment. Even though the grounds of each circuit come together in the panel (which is in the A/V closet) I still had hum from the amps when they were first installed.

So instead of lifting the grounds of the amps, which is a safety no-no, I added these ground wires, which also connect to the chassis of my pre-pro, and also the power strip that feeds the prepro. I'm using diy RCA to XLR signal cables, with the cable shields lifted from the source side, that way any hum is kept out of the cables.

See this Rane article, figure 4 # 17
http://www.rane.com/note110.html

I still get a little noise, but it is inaudible once I am couple feet from the speakers.

Best thing to do is go to Radio Shack and buy a pack of the small jumper cables. Then experiment connecting them between different equipment chassis in your system, while it's on with no signal.

I have used Jensen Isomax transformers to do the same thing, but that means more cabling and connections. To my ears that compromises the sound more then a little (mostly) inaudible hum.

Yes, they are grounding wires, put there to reduce hum. In my system, I have a 230 volt sub panel, for the A/V system. One 15 amp circuit feeding my pre-pro and other audio equipment, a 20 amp circuit for the three power amps, plus two other 15 amp circuits for video, and PC equipment. Even though the grounds of each circuit come together in the panel (which is in the A/V closet) I still had hum from the amps when they were first installed.

So instead of lifting the grounds of the amps, which is a safety no-no, I added these ground wires, which also connect to the chassis of my pre-pro, and also the power strip that feeds the prepro. I'm using diy RCA to XLR signal cables, with the cable shields lifted from the source side, that way any hum is kept out of the cables.

See this Rane article, figure 4 # 17
http://www.rane.com/note110.html

I still get a little noise, but it is inaudible once I am couple feet from the speakers.

Best thing to do is go to Radio Shack and buy a pack of the small jumper cables. Then experiment connecting them between different equipment chassis in your system, while it's on with no signal.

I have used Jensen Isomax transformers to do the same thing, but that means more cabling and connections. To my ears that compromises the sound more then a little (mostly) inaudible hum.
Thanks JK, I'm going to try grounding the amps to the chassis of my receiver and also my power conditioner.

I'm using RCA cables from the receiver to a Samson S-Convert than XLR cables from the S-Convert to the amps, so I don't believe my hum is originating from the cables.

Thank you everyone who responded with comments on pricing. In not so distant future I'm going to get center CC-490 or CC-590 in addition to 60's fronts (CC-690 is too big for the room). I hope local dealers have them so I can figure out which one suffice.

Also from what I heard, Sub 12 is pretty nice supplement to Studio series. Someone, however, pointed out to me that there are cheaper alternatives in terms of comparable quality in Velodyne product line. Can anyone comment on that?

I have been happy with my SVS sub. It was definitely the right price.

You should expect to get 10-20% off msrp from a decent dealer depending on your purchase history and their flexibility/generosity. Tell them that you're willing to shop around and visit other dealers if you don't get 20% off and they'll likely make the sale. They're still clearing a nice profit at that discount. Never pay msrp.

J.

I am contemplating Paradigm speakers (a for a new setup), but having trouble making comparisons cost-wise since I cannot find MSRP costs on Paradigm's website. Are these available anywhere? If I just show up at a dealer, how would I know he is not inflating his MSRPs?

I am contemplating Paradigm speakers (a for a new setup), but having trouble making comparisons cost-wise since I cannot find MSRP costs on Paradigm's website. Are these available anywhere? If I just show up at a dealer, how would I know he is not inflating his MSRPs?

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/10/paradigm-gives-its-reference-studio-speakers-a-bump-to-v-5/

Scroll down a bit on that page. Pricing is per speaker.

You can also check Audiogon for deals. There are often good prices on used/new gear there.

I am contemplating Paradigm speakers (a for a new setup), but having trouble making comparisons cost-wise since I cannot find MSRP costs on Paradigm's website. Are these available anywhere? If I just show up at a dealer, how would I know he is not inflating his MSRPs?

Try using the "Search This Thread" button. Here is a list (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16625175#post16625175) of current Studio v5 prices.

And Paradigm is very strict as far as controlling the selling price of their products, so I don't think you'll see much inflation of the msrp by an authorized dealer.

J.

Does anyone know how I can get hold of a pair of the adp 390 v5s? Im upgrading to 7.1 and would like to match my current pair.

What sub from which company would go best with the Studio 60 setup? It will be 90% HT, the room is large 19 by 24, hardwood floors, one side wall is a half wall mostly open to a similar size room. Thanks

What sub from which company would go best with the Studio 60 setup? It will be 90% HT, the room is large 19 by 24, hardwood floors, one side wall is a half wall mostly open to a similar size room. Thanks

I'm by no means an expert and just learning myself, but I recently faced the exact same decision. Personally, I love the look of the Studio 60s and I just couldn't bear cramming one of them next to a monstrous box sub. I decided on dual HSU VTF-2 MK3s as end tables at the rear of the room on both sides of the listening position. Now I know subwoofers in near field position at the back of the room can be a controversial topic, but it is a configuration often recommended by HSU. Having two subs (one on each side of the listening position) will minimize localization effects. I have a small room so I chose the 2.3s. With a larger room, you may consider the 3.3s. The customer service from HSU is excellent. If you send them your room layout and budget, Dr Hsu will personally provide suggestions for you. SVS also provides excellent advice. I was torn between the two. Ultimately, I decided to go with HSU subs because they provided the "end table" look I was looking for.

In not so distant future I'm going to get center CC-490 or CC-590 in addition to 60's fronts (CC-690 is too big for the room). I hope local dealers have them so I can figure out which one suffice.

Ok, looks like I'm out of luck with this. Local dealer does not have any display versions of CC-490/590/690 available for listening.

Here is my dilemma. I can fit CC-490 into stand as it is right now. I understand this might not be a valid question, as ears should be responsible for final vote. But at least theoretically -- is CC-490 + 60's bad combination in any way? Perhaps the one can draw conclusions looking at tech. specs, but I'm not qualified for that.

If it is somehow bad combination, the other option for me is to move TV to the wall and go with CC-590. Question is - is it worth the hassle? Would there be any difference between CC-490 and CC-590? I heard that 60-70% of audio goes to center for movies and center is much more important for HT (movies) than people tend to think. That is why I' so concerned.

All comments are greatly appreciated! Thanks.

My humble setup, getting a W4S Ice Amp to power them sometime next week. Looking for a pre/pro (avr, not dedicated) any suggestions < 1k?

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x242/routar/Home%20Theater/DSC00471-1.jpg

My humble setup, getting a W4S Ice Amp to power them sometime next week. Looking for a pre/pro (avr, not dedicated) any suggestions < 1k?

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x242/routar/Home%20Theater/DSC00471-1.jpg

Sub 1K, Denon and Onkyo are good choices, especially if you're just looking for pre-pro and non FR/FL/FC amps.

I have an Onkyo 806, not happy with it, it was refurb so who knows if it was every truly fixed. What do you guys think about new Pioneer Elite vsx-21 and Marantz 5004, $899 retail.

I have an Onkyo 806, not happy with it, it was refurb so who knows if it was every truly fixed. What do you guys think about new Pioneer Elite vsx-21 and Marantz 5004, $899 retail.

Whatever you weren't happy with the Onkyo you likely won't be happy with anything else in this price range. It's the nature of the sub-1K AVR.

Personally, I think Denon has the best balance of cost, features, and reliability. Onkyo has the best price/features, but the worst customer service.

Anyway, you'll get roughly the same thing from anyone in this price.

Ok, looks like I'm out of luck with this. Local dealer does not have any display versions of CC-490/590/690 available for listening.

Here is my dilemma. I can fit CC-490 into stand as it is right now. I understand this might not be a valid question, as ears should be responsible for final vote. But at least theoretically -- is CC-490 + 60's bad combination in any way? Perhaps the one can draw conclusions looking at tech. specs, but I'm not qualified for that.

If it is somehow bad combination, the other option for me is to move TV to the wall and go with CC-590. Question is - is it worth the hassle? Would there be any difference between CC-490 and CC-590? I heard that 60-70% of audio goes to center for movies and center is much more important for HT (movies) than people tend to think. That is why I' so concerned.

All comments are greatly appreciated! Thanks.

I personally notice a pretty big difference from the 590 to 690... clearer vocals for sure

Anyone know the current prices on the Studio 60's and 100's? What can I expect to pay? I currently have Monitor 9's, but finally landed a good job with great pay, and now thinking about selling the Monitor 9's and moving up to the studio line. If I decide to sell, what is best way? Craigslist? I don't think my local dealer will accept a trade-in.

I was curious if anyone had some ideas for replacing my center channel. Here's my setup:

Front L&R - Paradigm Monitor 9's (v.2) (just bought)
Center - Paradigm CC-370 (v.2)
Surround L&R - Paradigm Monitor 7's (v.2) (just bought)
Surround Back L&R - Paradigm Monitor 3's (v.2)
Presence L&R - Paradigm Mini Monitor's (v.2)
Sub - Paradigm PS-1200 (v.2) (just bought)

I had the 3's up front before, and now with the 9's I was thinking about replacing the center. Maybe the CC-570 (7.5" woofer - close to the 9's 8") or the CC-390 (for bragging rites - just kidding)

Any opinions?

Anyone care to chime in? Any opinion will help

Anyone care to chime in? Any opinion will help

I had monitor 11s and I moved from the 370 to 390 and noticed a big improvement.

Anyone know the current prices on the Studio 60's and 100's?

Try the search button...prices are posted one page back and probably 100 other times.

J.

Whatever you weren't happy with the Onkyo you likely won't be happy with anything else in this price range. It's the nature of the sub-1K AVR.

Personally, I think Denon has the best balance of cost, features, and reliability. Onkyo has the best price/features, but the worst customer service.

Anyway, you'll get roughly the same thing from anyone in this price.

I plan on using it as a pre/pro as I have an W4S Ice Amp on order. Just looking for something with great SQ, and not all the features that I will never use.

Marantz SR5003 or SR6003:)

Looking to upgrade my current paradigm setup. Currently I have monitor 9's,cc-170, adp 370, titans all v.3 and a pw2200. Just wondering what your thoughts wee on what I could get rid of these for. I would definitely like to upgrade(paradigm's) depending on what I could get out of my system. Thanks

I plan on using it as a pre/pro as I have an W4S Ice Amp on order. Just looking for something with great SQ, and not all the features that I will never use.

All the 1K AVRs are pretty much the same. Many feel the Onkyo's are a nice pairing with the Paradigms, as they are slightly brighter, but there's really not much of a difference from one brand to the next in this price range.

And the "bells and whistles" are exactly what you want! More HDMI inputs, HD audio decoding, etc. Sure, you don't need some Dolby IIz nonsense, but you need all the HD-related stuff.

All the 1K AVRs are pretty much the same. Many feel the Onkyo's are a nice pairing with the Paradigms, as they are slightly brighter, but there's really not much of a difference from one brand to the next in this price range.

And the "bells and whistles" are exactly what you want! More HDMI inputs, HD audio decoding, etc. Sure, you don't need some Dolby IIz nonsense, but you need all the HD-related stuff.


+1, not a whole bunch different in this price range...

Not sure what I would choose - I had the Pioneer, but it doesn't hold a candle in SQ to the D2v, glad I upgraded

I had monitor 11s and I moved from the 370 to 390 and noticed a big improvement.

Really, what version of 11s did you have (with 8" woofers or 7.5" - v.1 & v.2 or v.3 & v.......?

Thanks for the comment (by the way), I'm actually in the process of finding a CC-390 (probably the v.5). I was toying with finding a CC-570, but I heard through the grapevine that it just didn't have the same mid responce.:(

Hi Everyone. There are some very knowledgeable people contributing to this thread so I thought I would ask my question here.

I recently just bought my first condo and have the pleasure of picking out my first home theater. I am a huge Paradigm fan and will almost certainly be getting my speakers from them. I'm familiar with their products and my parents have been using them for about 10 years in both the home theater and general TV watching areas. I live in Canada and the local dealer gives 20% off right away.

The second bedroom of my condo will be used for a small home theater room. It is 10.8 feet X 9.2 feet. Due to the closet and the window, I have to use the room width-wise so I have 9.2 feet wall to wall. After a couch is in there, I'll be about 8" closer. Anyways, my question is do you think my planned setup will be too much for that size of room? Here is my planned setup:

TV: EDIT: Looks like I can actually get about a 70" screen from certain projectors, so I will be doing that.

Speakers: 5 Paradigm Studio 20's, or four 20's + a 590 center.

Sub: Paradigm Sub 12 (also considering cheaper options like the SVS PB12 or similar)

Amp: Emotiva XPA-5

Pre/Pro: Emotiva UMC-1 (if its out yet) or something like the Onkyo 886.

I'd really appreciate some opinions. I'd be using the room for about 80% TV/movies and 20% music.

Thanks in advance,

Mark

Really, what version of 11s did you have (with 8" woofers or 7.5" - v.1 & v.2 or v.3 & v.......?

Thanks for the comment (by the way), I'm actually in the process of finding a CC-390 (probably the v.5). I was toying with finding a CC-570, but I heard through the grapevine that it just didn't have the same mid responce.:(

Great, you wont be disappointed with the 390. I had v.4s; I posted about this upgrade a few months back in this thread if you care for more details. The major improvement definitely was in the mid impact.

+1, not a whole bunch different in this price range...

Not sure what I would choose - I had the Pioneer, but it doesn't hold a candle in SQ to the D2v, glad I upgraded

D2V is what $7500 retail... Well after I did the math and consulted some friends I went with a Pioneer SC-25. It is featured packed (have to admit all the audio streaming features are nice, MCAAC seems more advanced than Audyssey, etc) and has the ice amps. The SQ is an improvement from the Onkyo for sure, my wife even noticed it, although it does retail for 1k more than the Onkyo. I looked at various wattage calculators and what not, I am mostly HT, do not do any critical music listening, etc. and for my listening levels, I do not need an external amp. Maybe down the road I will add an amp, but for now I am very happy with the Pioneer. Glad that saga is over, now for some ADP's :D

D2V is what $7500 retail... Well after I did the math and consulted some friends I went with a Pioneer SC-25. It is featured packed (have to admit all the audio streaming features are nice, MCAAC seems more advanced than Audyssey, etc) and has the ice amps. The SQ is an improvement from the Onkyo for sure, my wife even noticed it, although it does retail for 1k more than the Onkyo. I looked at various wattage calculators and what not, I am mostly HT, do not do any critical music listening, etc. and for my listening levels, I do not need an external amp. Maybe down the road I will add an amp, but for now I am very happy with the Pioneer. Glad that saga is over, now for some ADP's :D

how do you see MCAAC as being more advanced than audyssey?

how do you see MCAAC as being more advanced than audyssey?

I think that is a subjective statement...

One would have to measure the before and after response of MCACC to determine how good of a job it does... I certainly didn't feel it measured up to Anthems ARC by any stretch of the means...

Also One would have to be running Audyssey Pro which is also a step up from the regular version - that compares very closely in handling to ARC...

I don't think MCACC came even close to ARC, but I'm glad you are happy with your new Pioneer RobBas....

I think that is a subjective statement...

Correct. And I said it seemed it was more advanced than the version of Audyssey on my Onkyo as I do not have data to back this up, so I can't say for sure. MCACC does phase control as well and provides nifty before and after graphs, very cool software. I am an engineer myself so I can appreciate good work. Audyssey uses one tone where MCACC used several different ones that seemed to be catered to testing different things. Subjectively, it just seems MCACC is doing more in terms of taking measurements than Audyssey. Audyssey same tones from various positions, MCACC is checking and sampling a whole host of things. You would have to run through a setup to see what I mean. I also compare it to Yahama's room correction software. At a friends house, the Yahama was done in 2 mins, not sure how it could gather much data in that timeframe to make anything useful out of it. To my ear (and 2 others) my system sounded quite a bit better, but that also has to do with the higher end AVR with better components. The Onkyo I replaced was the 806 which is the stripped down version, the 805 is/was a better reciever, I just could not find one when I bought the 806. But it's all quite subjective, the key is being happy with the before and after, and I am.

Warp, 7500 vs 1799, but if your comparing to the sc-09 then by all means you have valid points. Not sure why anyone would by the sc-09 at its current price tag.

True on the price comparison, but I didn't pay anywhere near that with my reputable dealer...

Glad to hear that MCACC has stepped up a bit in the audio processing, my older unit didn't have as good of processing, couple years old...

I can have a used PW2200 for 375$ cdn, is it worth the upgrade of my PS1200 v3. and WHY?
thank you

Anyone have a suggestion on how to find single Studio 100 v3. Do not care about the finish, will go behind an AT screen. Have watched the usual for sale sites with no luck for months.

Had given some thought to buying a set of three S4's or S6's but Paradigm will not sell the odd count. Go figure.

Does anyone know what is the price of the Cinema 220 supposed to be? From the online reviews they say $199 for the 220 and $299 for the 330 but I went to a dealer today and he quoted me $229 for the 220 and $349 for the 330. Did they go up in price within a couple of months or is the dealer overcharging me?

This is my current set-up:

Paradigm Studio 60(v5) Fronts
Paradigm Studio cc590(v5) Center
Klipsch RB-51 Surrounds
Denon 4310ci AVR
Emotiva XPA-3

I run my 5.1 sytem with the Paradigm's(LCR) powered by the Emotiva and the surrounds powered by the the Denon. I want to upgrade the surrounds with the Studio 10's but have a concern about power. The Denon is rated at 130wpc and the Paradigm web site shows the following specs for the Studio 10:

Suitable Amplifier Power Range 15 - 150 watts
Maximum Input Power 90 watts

My concern has to do with the max input of 90 watts but they also say that anything within 15-150 watts is suitable. :confused: I find this a bit confusing so can someone tell me if I will be overpowering the Studio 10's with the Denon?

ez

Short answer is you will be fine. Unless you have a gigantic room and listen at ear damaging levels, chances are you are using less than 50 watts. Not some wild statement, just fact. Exception is hard to drive speakers and 4 ohm speakers which require more power. But the studio line is very efficient and rated at 8 ohms. I think the range you mention is for peaks.

Thanks for the reply, RobBas. My room is on the small size(approx. 1900 sq. ft.) and I tend to do most of my HT listening in the -20dB to -15dB range on the Denon.

I have owned Klipsch speakers for the past 15 years. But, after listening to the Paradigms, I knew I had to make the switch. I thought the RB-51's would be OK for surrounds. After 5 months of listening though, the Klipsch just don't match and are too forward compared to the Paradigms. Glad to hear I'll have no problem getting the surrounds matched to the rest of the speakers. :)

ez

Hello All,
I own a pair of Paradigm Studio 20's V.5, and I was wondering if bi-wiring would make a big difference in overall sound quality? I have an onkyo 705, and I saw in the users guide that they claim this should give me better overall balanced audio performance. I am currently using Straightwire Encore II cables.

From the replies in this thread, I've seen that it's possible to get 20% off on speakers from certain dealers. Can anyone recommend an authorized dealer in Socal (preferably in Los Angeles County but will travel further if necessary) that will offer 20% off on speakers? I'm not sure what I will be purchasing yet, but am considering purchasing 2 Studio 100's (or 60's), and a cc-690 (or cc-590). Am also considering 2 Studio 20's for surrounds. Thanks.

From the replies in this thread, I've seen that it's possible to get 20% off on speakers from certain dealers. Can anyone recommend an authorized dealer in Socal (preferably in Los Angeles County but will travel further if necessary) that will offer 20% off on speakers? I'm not sure what I will be purchasing yet, but am considering purchasing 2 Studio 100's (or 60's), and a cc-690 (or cc-590). Am also considering 2 Studio 20's for surrounds. Thanks.

That's a pretty expensive setup so I am pretty sure any dealer will be able to work with you. Did you check on the Paradigm website who are the dealers that are closest to you?

That's a pretty expensive setup so I am pretty sure any dealer will be able to work with you. Did you check on the Paradigm website who are the dealers that are closest to you?

yes, there are 3 that are within 20 miles of me, but i guess i have read that some people have not been offered any discount at certain stores and others only 10-15%. i was kinda hoping that if someone in LA has received a 20% discount, that they could provide a name of a store so that negotiations are relatively painless. also, kinda random question, but i know that in the Downtown LA jewelry/diamond district and some asian communities, some jewelers are willing to waive the tax if you pay in cash. Any way this would work at a paradigm dealer or am i dreaming?

yes, there are 3 that are within 20 miles of me, but i guess i have read that some people have not been offered any discount at certain stores and others only 10-15%. i was kinda hoping that if someone in LA has received a 20% discount, that they could provide a name of a store so that negotiations are relatively painless. also, kinda random question, but i know that in the Downtown LA jewelry/diamond district and some asian communities, some jewelers are willing to waive the tax if you pay in cash. Any way this would work at a paradigm dealer or am i dreaming?

You are not dreaming. Since there are 3 dealers in your area you can easily shop around to see which one gives you a better deal. After all even after discount they still make a good chunk from markup so you should be good. If they don't offer a discount you could always ask for one anyway. A pair of Studio 100, 20, and the larger center channel easily comes to around $5000 so it should be easy to get a nice 15%-20% discount.

My dealer here is the only one around but they give 20-25% off without even asking. I just found a laid back guy who really likes audio. I get the feeling that he understands that once you start buying, you will get upgrade-itis and be back so he works with me. If you find someone who really understands the hobby they should work with you.

My dealer here is the only one around but they give 20-25% off without even asking. I just found a laid back guy who really likes audio. I get the feeling that he understands that once you start buying, you will get upgrade-itis and be back so he works with me. If you find someone who really understands the hobby they should work with you.

thanks for the advice guys. dang!!! 25% off would be sweet, but what would be really nice would be the no tax option if it exists at all bc tax is like 9.1% here, which cuts out a lot of the discount...

also, what do you guys think about buying on ebay? there's a seller with good ratings who has over 10 pairs of studio 60 v.5's available for sale for $1700 w/ free shipping and no tax. with bing cashback and ebay bucks, those studio 60's are a steal. i only wonder how this guy could get so many speakers if he is not an authorized dealer (since AD's are not supposed to sell online). or do you think he is an AD but he's doing something he shouldn't by selling on ebay? he has some monitors on ebay too.

thanks for the advice guys. dang!!! 25% off would be sweet, but what would be really nice would be the no tax option if it exists at all bc tax is like 9.1% here, which cuts out a lot of the discount...

also, what do you guys think about buying on ebay? there's a seller with good ratings who has over 10 pairs of studio 60 v.5's available for sale for $1700 w/ free shipping and no tax. with bing cashback and ebay bucks, those studio 60's are a steal. i only wonder how this guy could get so many speakers if he is not an authorized dealer (since AD's are not supposed to sell online). or do you think he is an AD but he's doing something he shouldn't by selling on ebay? he has some monitors on ebay too.

If you buy them on ebay I don't think you will have a valid warranty as I doubt he is an authorized dealer.

Does anyone know how to get an owner's manual for the Paradigm Titan V2? I just want to get more info on it. I've only seen a couple of write-ups online, but not much else.

I just received my first pair of Paradigm from ebay. Looks great in rosewood. It's not as heavy as I thought it would be. I haven't really put it to a real test since the kids are already sleeping. I've been sort of shopping around for a couple of months, first looking at the newer Minis & Atoms. I love the way the Minis sounded and for its looks, a good size bookshelf which my wife would somewhat approve of. But I held of buying due to budget constraint, until I found the Titan V2.

I'll give it a test in the next few days. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be a lemon.

I would like to know how Paradigm can allow these "dealers/stores" to sell their speakers on eBay? I thought this was not allowed. I see some speakers going for the same price as you can get directly from a local dealer.

I have a chance to buy a pair of Studio 100 V4 floor model from an online dealer for $1350 plus shipping which probably mean my out the door cost will be about $1600. Do you think it's a good price?

I auditioned a pair of Studio 100 V5 locally and found it a little harsh and bright, the dealer said it was because the pair was so new and needed to be broken in.

Any consensus on the V5 being too bright?

I have a chance to buy a pair of Studio 100 V4 floor model from an online dealer for $1350 plus shipping which probably mean my out the door cost will be about $1600. Do you think it's a good price?

I auditioned a pair of Studio 100 V5 locally and found it a little harsh and bright, the dealer said it was because the pair was so new and needed to be broken in.

Any consensus on the V5 being too bright?

i dont think they are bright, but i guess that depends on what you are comparing them to, or what the source is.

i dont think they are bright, but i guess that depends on what you are comparing them to, or what the source is.

Comparing to my current Studio 60 V2.

Anyone have a suggestion on how to find single Studio 100 v3. Do not care about the finish, will go behind an AT screen. Have watched the usual for sale sites with no luck for months.

Had given some thought to buying a set of three S4's or S6's but Paradigm will not sell the odd count. Go figure.

Finding a single Studio 100 will be tough. Is there any way you could use both mates in a pair and maybe use the 2nd as a back surround or maybe dual CC's? Or maybe risk buying a pair and selling one solo? Good luck!

J.

Probably my best bet is to buy a pair and then try to sell one.




Finding a single Studio 100 will be tough. Is there any way you could use both mates in a pair and maybe use the 2nd as a back surround or maybe dual CC's? Or maybe risk buying a pair and selling one solo? Good luck!

J.

Probably my best bet is to buy a pair and then try to sell one.

It would be the first individual Studio 100 I've seen on A'gon...but apparently there is indeed a market! :D

Good luck with your project!

J.

I've got good news and bad news... the good news is I want a single Studio 100 v3 for behind an AT screen as well.. the bad news is I don't want it for probably 2-3 more years (when I get the next house and build the theater).

But yeah, I think there's a market - just need to find someone else if you want to sell sooner.

Sounds like a match made in heaven! You guys exchange the requisite info, nail down a purchase, split shipping (literally), and then enjoy all of the goodness. A few years down the road, you guys just re-connect and sell them as a pair (of lost long brothers). Sounds like a novel to me.

J.

I had hopes that someone would speak up with a more current need. Encouraging though.

I've got good news and bad news... the good news is I want a single Studio 100 v3 for behind an AT screen as well.. the bad news is I don't want it for probably 2-3 more years (when I get the next house and build the theater).

But yeah, I think there's a market - just need to find someone else if you want to sell sooner.

Hello All,
I own a pair of Paradigm Studio 20's V.5, and I was wondering if bi-wiring would make a big difference in overall sound quality? I have an onkyo 705, and I saw in the users guide that they claim this should give me better overall balanced audio performance. I am currently using Straightwire Encore II cables.

Bi-wiring won't do anything for you.

Do you have a 5.1 or 7.1 set-up? If you only have 5.1 you can use the back surround channels and bi-amp your speakers.

You won't notice any difference in SQ, but speaker wire is cheap, you have the extra channels and you will seem cooler to your friends.:D

Also I believe there are other reasons to do it.

Well lets look at the Pricing here.... all the speakers are priced individually, so there should be no reason why you can't just buy a single speaker, unless the dealer just doesn't wan't to co-operate - why should he care really...

Most people just can't accommodate that 3rd tower in front, but there is no question that its the perfect scenario from an audio reproduction standpoint... perfect center channel...

Got me, two dealers and Paradigm email response all say no. One dealer did say he would ask around for a single but was not successful. I admit there would not be much demand for an odd number of speakers but you would think that they could work it out.

Well lets look at the Pricing here.... all the speakers are priced individually, so there should be no reason why you can't just buy a single speaker, unless the dealer just doesn't wan't to co-operate - why should he care really...

Most people just can't accommodate that 3rd tower in front, but there is no question that its the perfect scenario from an audio reproduction standpoint... perfect center channel...

I had monitor 11s and I moved from the 370 to 390 and noticed a big improvement.

Thanks for the info. Now I just have to find a used CC390 (v.5 or v.6). What do you think the v.5 is worth to buy used?

If I bought a used pair of Studio 100 v.3, would it be ok for me to match it with v.5 center channel and surrounds as far as the timbre is concerned or is it best to match it with the cc-570 v.3? My concern would be that it would be difficult to find a used cc-570 v.3 (and surrounds) in the same finish and I don't know if I would want to wait around for those speakers to become available on the secondary market...

I can't tell the difference between V3 and V4 have not had a chance to compare a V5 next
to the others can't imagine there would great difference.

Got me, two dealers and Paradigm email response all say no. One dealer did say he would ask around for a single but was not successful. I admit there would not be much demand for an odd number of speakers but you would think that they could work it out.

Right... At least with the Sigs, they supposedly test them in pairs, to ensure they are sonically matched, and that their wood finish is matched. Sounds like hooey to me, but I had a similar issue:

On shipment, one of my S6's was damaged. Paradigm forced the dealer to send both S6's back because of this matching they do. So I got to set up the rest of my 7.1 setup, but was missing my pair of S6's for a couple more weeks.

The wood finish thing I almost buy, but whatever. Apparently it's their policy.

I'm finally getting serious about upgrading my main and center speakers from a pair of 5seMKIII and a cc-170. Too bad I hadn't of thought about doing it just after the new studio v5s were announced. So I'm pretty much looking at biting the bullet and picking up a pair of Studio 60s, but I'm not quite sure on which center to get. Is the cc-590 worth the 40% higher price tag than the cc-490?

I'm finally getting serious about upgrading my main and center speakers from a pair of 5seMKIII and a cc-170. Too bad I hadn't of thought about doing it just after the new studio v5s were announced. So I'm pretty much looking at biting the bullet and picking up a pair of Studio 60s, but I'm not quite sure on which center to get. Is the cc-590 worth the 40% higher price tag than the cc-490?

Personally I would go as big as you can on the center. I had a cc-570 v 3 matched with 60 v3's and it just wasnt clear enough for me so I got a 690 v4 and it was WELL worth it

Right... At least with the Sigs, they supposedly test them in pairs, to ensure they are sonically matched, and that their wood finish is matched. Sounds like hooey to me, but I had a similar issue:

On shipment, one of my S6's was damaged. Paradigm forced the dealer to send both S6's back because of this matching they do. So I got to set up the rest of my 7.1 setup, but was missing my pair of S6's for a couple more weeks.

The wood finish thing I almost buy, but whatever. Apparently it's their policy.


The wood finish thing is true.... I forgot about that ---- They always try to keep the same run of veneer and on the Sigs, they are bookend matched... With my Rosewood S4's they are almost identical in appearance... all the knots and stripes are pretty much perfect, and the production run serial numbers are incremental... also, they work at making sure that the center channel is in the same run number so it also matches the fronts as best they can...

Rosewood turned out to be a very difficult wood grain to keep consistent in looks - the stain didn't always end up exact from one veneer batch to the next...
So they they would end up being lighter and darker from run to run...

I bought all my Sigs used, and the CC is very different in color = quite a bit lighter...

If I bought a used pair of Studio 100 v.3, would it be ok for me to match it with v.5 center channel and surrounds as far as the timbre is concerned or is it best to match it with the cc-570 v.3? My concern would be that it would be difficult to find a used cc-570 v.3 (and surrounds) in the same finish and I don't know if I would want to wait around for those speakers to become available on the secondary market...
Finding a used v3 should be easy...there are always a few at Audiogon. The ADPs only come in black or white (if that's what you plan to use for surrounds). I have a mint pair of ADP-470s in black that I'm selling if you're interested...PM me if you'd like.

J.

There are 2 CC-570 v3's listed at Audiogon...black and cherry.

J.

There are 2 CC-570 v3's listed at Audiogon...black and cherry.

J.

I suggest to find a 690 v4 at a retailed on closeout... I got a sick deal

My first Paradigm purchase

Phantom V2 and CC170 (not pictured) for $75.

Not bad if I say so myself.

http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/RAMONandJARYCE/CIMG4731.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/RAMONandJARYCE/CIMG4734.jpg

There are 2 CC-570 v3's listed at Audiogon...black and cherry.

J.

yes, i saw them - problem is im looking for rosenut. i've been looking at audiogon for the past month but that rosenut finish is rather elusive...also, as for the surrounds, i was actually considering studio 20's for surrounds vs the adp's. what are the pros/cons of using 20's or adp's for surrounds? i'm new at this stuff...

I suggest to find a 690 v4 at a retailed on closeout... I got a sick deal

i was thinking about that, but wasnt sure if it would be ok to get a v4 to go with v3 mains. from the responses, it seems it would be ok to get a v4 or v5 with the studio 100 v.3 so yeah, that is definitely an option i would have to consider. the other thing though, is that i understand that the v.3 was not real wood whereas the v.4 and v.5 is real wood. not sure how the finishes would match up (WAF).

Here's my free gift (CC-170) I got when I purchased the pair of Phantoms.
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/RAMONandJARYCE/CIMG4735.jpg
http://i733.photobucket.com/albums/ww331/RAMONandJARYCE/CIMG4736.jpg

Greetings Paradigm owners !

I'm in the process of redoing the system in my den and I have a few questions.

My current bookshelves, which actually DO reside on a shelf in a built-in wall unit, are PSB Image B25s. The tweeter is pretty much right at ear level. They are on the lowest shelf available and cannot be mounted on stands due to room layout. They sit 10 feet from my ears, and are about 6 feet apart - again, these positions are fixed. I am considering upgrading to Studio 20/40 v4s and have the following questions...

- with the tweeter being roughly 5 inches higher on the 40s than my PSBs, will that be "too high" at the 10 foot distance? The 20s are basically the same.

- Whats the main difference between the 20 and the 40 sound wise? You should note that my overriding goal is music first, and I do a lot of 2.0 direct listening. Will I benefit from upgrading to the 40s?

And since this started out as a " honey, I need a better receiver", is anyone using marantz? I'm looking hard at the new 6004.

- Is the 690 worth the extra money? I can fit it, but it would go on a shelf above my display, just under 2 feet above my mains.

Thanks for any advice.

At 10', the 5" difference will not be too noticeable. If money and space permit, I would go for the 40's over the 20's, especially if you're actually doing 2.0 and not using your sub for music. The 20's are great speakers, but don't dig deep enough for accurate reproduction in the lower range. Is there a reason you're not including a sub?

The 690 is definitely worth the investment. I've had mine for a couple of months and I'm floored by the clarity and dynamics that it's capable of. It creates a seamless front end.

J.

Hi,

I run some older Paradigm Studio Monitors that I bought from a friend for my mains with a Paradigm CC370v2 center. I use Cerwin Vega AT-12 speakers for my surrounds and an Energy XL-S12 subwoofer.

I want to upgrade to a 7.1 system from my current 5.1 and was thinking of spending $1,000-1,200 on a receiver but now I am thinking of spending less on the receiver and instead investing in some speaker upgrades.

What would you recommend for Paradigm surrounds, subwoofer and in-ceiling speakers(for the side speakers in a 7.1 setup)? My room is about 22'x20'x8' in size. Or am I in good shape speaker wise and would benefit most by jumping into an expensive A/V receiver?

Thanks!
Chad

Depending on your usage (movies/music) you'd like get the most benefit from upgrading your mains. I'm not sure how old your Monitors are, but the fronts and center are obviously the most important speakers and should get the lion's share of the budget. You can get very nice gear used via sites like Audiogon and AudioCircle as well as AVS, so you may want to consider a higher tier of speaker at a used price vs. a lesser speaker at msrp.

What receiver/avr are you currently using? Depending on your setup (display inputs, decoding issues, connectivity, networking, etc), that may or may not be a necessary upgrade.

Give us an idea of what you've got and what you can spend and the recommendations will likely flow...

J.

Depending on your usage (movies/music) you'd like get the most benefit from upgrading your mains. I'm not sure how old your Monitors are, but the fronts and center are obviously the most important speakers and should get the lion's share of the budget. You can get very nice gear used via sites like Audiogon and AudioCircle as well as AVS, so you may want to consider a higher tier of speaker at a used price vs. a lesser speaker at msrp.

What receiver/avr are you currently using? Depending on your setup (display inputs, decoding issues, connectivity, networking, etc), that may or may not be a necessary upgrade.

Give us an idea of what you've got and what you can spend and the recommendations will likely flow...

J.

Hi,

Thanks for the reply. I currently have a Yamaha RX-V800 (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=200257&CTID=5000300) 5.1 receiver (100w per channel). I also have a pair of AT-15 Cerwin Vega speakers along with a pair of CV bookshelf speakers in storage. I could always swap out the AT-12 speakers for the AT-15 etc. Again, unsure about the quality of the Energy subwoofer but I am not super excited with its performance.

I would say my main use of the receiver is for movie/tv watching with less for music now that I have young children.

The front mains are from the Monitor series and are set up for tri-amp/tri-wire. I am not sure how old they are but I am going to guess at 15+ years.

I don't have a HDTV yet but plan on getting one soon, I have a PS3 for blu-ray playback and a 9 year old Denon DVD player. I am definitely open to buying used speakers to get the best bang for the buck!

Dollar wise on the subwoofer... say up to $750 and am unsure on the front mains but perhaps $1,000 max. I have a HTPC hooked up running SageTV so having network connectivity on an a/v receiver is not important to me.

Thanks,
Chad

EDIT: I pulled the trigger on a Denon AVR-2310CI that's for sale for a price I just couldn't pass up so I really would appreciate any help on speaker upgrades!

At 10', the 5" difference will not be too noticeable. If money and space permit, I would go for the 40's over the 20's, especially if you're actually doing 2.0 and not using your sub for music. The 20's are great speakers, but don't dig deep enough for accurate reproduction in the lower range. Is there a reason you're not including a sub?

The 690 is definitely worth the investment. I've had mine for a couple of months and I'm floored by the clarity and dynamics that it's capable of. It creates a seamless front end.

J.

the reason I didn't mention my sub is....

1) I'm gonna be doing a lot of listening in 2.0, at least hopefully.

2) I already have a sub. I got the Energy s10.3 for $199 when I was planning on using the PSBs. It was a great deal, is allegedly more musical than the other budget subs, and still digs down to 21 Hz (-3dB) according to factory specs. If I do end up getting the Studios, I'm sure an upgrade is eventually due and the Energy will be relegated to the bedroom. Until then, it'll have to do for tv/movies (sigh).

You say the 40 has more low end than the 20. I'm certainly not disputing that and it seemed to have more and better lows than my PSBs (which are rated to 46 Hz, if I remember) when I did my comparo at the local dealer. Yet Paradigm specs the 20 and the 40 the same on the bottom.

What's the deal? (scratches head...)

I don't need to reproduce pedal tones on pipe organs - my musical tastes are mostly acoustic jazz, with some blues, big-band, old-school funk & fusion, and a bit of classical thrown in. When I demoed the 40s, I listened to "Cannonball and Coltrane" and "Miles Davis Live at the Blackhawk". The horns sounded right to me, i heard all the notes on the upright bass, and being an "ex" jazz drummer, I know what Philly Joe Jones' and Jimmy Cobb's kits are supposed to sound like... The 40s did just an excellent job.

I was looking to upgrade my current equipment for a nice deal I see online...

These would be powered by a Denon 2808

Current -
Paradigm Phantom v2 / Atoms / CC 170 (nearly 9 years old)

Upgrading to -
Paradigm Monitor 9 v2/ ADP 350 / CC 350 (nearly 10 years old)

1) Do you think this is a nice upgrade? I would use it to listen to 50% music and 50% movies in a fairly large family room.
2) Does the price of $350 for the above package seem like a good buy?

Any help would be appreciated. I have not upgraded my speakers in a long time and doing this out of impulse and to use my Phantoms in a spare room :)

Finding a used v3 should be easy...there are always a few at Audiogon. The ADPs only come in black or white (if that's what you plan to use for surrounds). I have a mint pair of ADP-470s in black that I'm selling if you're interested...PM me if you'd like.

J.

Jason,

I sent you a PM on your ADPs.

Mike

Do most Paradigm dealers buy used speakers and sell them on consignment?

I have Monitor 9 v.6 and CC-290 v.6 that I bought two months ago. But now that I'm starting a new good paying job, I want to upgrade to the Studio series. But before I do, I need to sell these speakers.

Do most Paradigm dealers buy used speakers and sell them on consignment?

I have Monitor 9 v.6 and CC-290 v.6 that I bought two months ago. But now that I'm starting a new good paying job, I want to upgrade to the Studio series. But before I do, I need to sell these speakers.

I don't know about all, but my shop will take back speakers bought within the previous year and give you the full purchase price toward new, more expensive ones. However he doesn't give anything off msrp on the new ones :( . I still did it to upgrade to some Studios 2 years ago. :)

Do most Paradigm dealers buy used speakers and sell them on consignment?

I have Monitor 9 v.6 and CC-290 v.6 that I bought two months ago. But now that I'm starting a new good paying job, I want to upgrade to the Studio series. But before I do, I need to sell these speakers.My local Paradigm dealer buys used equipment - depending on the condition. But you might be better off selling them on EBay.

I'm currently looking for a small set of speakers to use with a computer. I have a Paradigm Studio v.3 setup for my HT, so I'm familiar with their line of speakers, but I haven't listened to their Monitor v.6 line yet.

Has anyone compared them to any of the ID <$300 speakers like the Ascend HTM-170, Axiom M2 v2 or AV123 ELT525?

I just picked up a new paradigm speaker setup and had some questions about my AVR, incase anyone has some first hand experience with something similar.

I just got 3 Paradigm Cinema 330's for front, 2 ADP's for rear, and a DSP-3100 Sub. I'm currently running them with an HK AVR 235. My two questions are:

1) I've had the AVR for more than a few years. Would it be worthwhile to upgrade to something newer, and if so, any suggestions for that speaker setup?

2) Is it worthwhile to get a couple more ADP's? I can't get them for $95/each CAD so for the price I'm figuring, why not? But on the other hand, if there won't be any difference going to 7.1, what's the point.

Thanks in advance for the advice.

I have Studio 40 v4s for front, Seismic 12 Subwoofer, and Signature C3 center. Need to add surounds. Speakers will be placed on a high shelf in a bookcase, so I am worried about the side firing ADPs. I am considering the Signature S1s. Would this be a good choice?

I have Studio 40 v4s for front, Seismic 12 Subwoofer, and Signature C3 center. Need to add surounds. Speakers will be placed on a high shelf in a bookcase, so I am worried about the side firing ADPs. I am considering the Signature S1s. Would this be a good choice?

That's an unusual set-up you have up front in terms of mixing series of speakers. How's the timbre match with your Sig C3 with the Studio 40s?

I'm hoping to upgrade from the Studio to Signature line someday, but I would most likely have to do it in increments.

I have Studio 40 v4s for front, Seismic 12 Subwoofer, and Signature C3 center. Need to add surounds. Speakers will be placed on a high shelf in a bookcase, so I am worried about the side firing ADPs. I am considering the Signature S1s. Would this be a good choice?

why oh why would you choose the S1's for rears when you are using Studio 40's as mains?

Sell the 40's use that money and the money you were going to spend on the S1's to get yourself some S2's or S4's for mains. Then your front soundstage would actually have a proper sonic match which is far more important than getting S1's as rears. The Be tweeter is just sooooo different compared to the standard tweeter in the Studio line. Just use somthing cheaper for surrounds in the mean time will you save up some more cash for the proper surrounds.

Hey BigRed, Maybe he is just on a slow upgrade path here, and all sigs up front are next on his list, I'll bet it sounds just fine in there - the C3 is a great center and should be a pretty close match voice wise for now, and he'll at least get his 5.1 setup together for now. The S1's will be a great choice for what you are looking to do, in fact I prefer direct firing speakers for surrounds, and the sealed nature of the S1's is better then a ported speaker close to the wall IMO, and tucked into a bookshelf rather then ADP's

Ultimately I agree with you, but he could likely find some used S4's that will mount right on the stands he's using for the 40's... keeping the cost down - down the road. :) Audiogon is a great place to get those great deals, even if the upgrade path time is a bit slower, with patience it pays off... :)

Don't forget Videogon as well

good luck soseddie...

Hey BigRed, Maybe he is just on a slow upgrade path here, and all sigs up front are next on his list, I'll bet it sounds just fine in there - the C3 is a great center and should be a pretty close match voice wise for now, and he'll at least get his 5.1 setup together for now. The S1's will be a great choice for what you are looking to do, in fact I prefer direct firing speakers for surrounds, and the sealed nature of the S1's is better then a ported speaker close to the wall IMO, and tucked into a bookshelf rather then ADP's

Ultimately I agree with you, but he could likely find some used S4's that will mount right on the stands he's using for the 40's... keeping the cost down - down the road. :) Audiogon is a great place to get those great deals, even if the upgrade path time is a bit slower, with patience it pays off... :)

Don't forget Videogon as well

good luck soseddie...

well i guess i came off as more aggressive than i thought :o Aplogies soseddie lol.

I would just think he would get better results by starting with the fronts first, then eventually work to the rears. soseddie is already on the right path with some great speakers though :cool:. Like i said if he got the S2's or S4's for fronts he could just use something really cheap for rears until he works up the cash for the S1's or ADP Sigs for rears. It wouls just have a much greater impact (for the better) on the sound quality. Ultimately people will do what they want to do or what they can do first, money always plays a key role in this....i know that far to well :)

P.S.- i still want to get some Sigs (just awesome speakers), but i need to get some more info on the v3's first...

anyone heard anything recent?:D

well i guess i came off as more aggressive than i thought :o Aplogies soseddie lol.

I would just think he would get better results by starting with the fronts first, then eventually work to the rears. soseddie is already on the right path with some great speakers though :cool:. Like i said if he got the S2's or S4's for fronts he could just use something really cheap for rears until he works up the cash for the S1's or ADP Sigs for rears. It wouls just have a much greater impact (for the better) on the sound quality. Ultimately people will do what they want to do or what they can do first, money always plays a key role in this....i know that far to well :)

P.S.- i still want to get some Sigs (just awesome speakers), but i need to get some more info on the v3's first...

anyone heard anything recent?:D

I sure there was no harm done :) as I said, I agree, the best front 3, but maybe he's jonesin to get 5.1 rollin

I'll be heading down to Atlanta in a week, and will be hitting Cedia for certain, tickets are already purchased. I'll be posting any news or pics of the upcoming SIGs if they are announced.

Hello,

I am thinking about installing the Paradigm SA-15R-30 speakers in my ceiling for the rear channels in a 5.1 system. My sofa is only 1' off the back wall so placing them behind the listening position is not an option. The Paradigm people said to place them about 7' to the left and right of the listening position and about 4' off the back wall. They also said to not aim them at the listening position. The said these need to be aimed at the back wall so they will reflect. This is supposed to make for a more "behind you" sound.

Anybody on this forum who has placed their in-ceiling speakers to aim at the back wall for reflection?

Thanks in advance.

Hey guys kinda new to the forum and have been learning alot from this place... my new set up is monitor 11s cc390 and adp 390s for my rears but i also have a set of adp 170 v3s that i have had for a couple years and was wondering if these would work for my rear surrounds or should i go with a direct facing speaker as these will be mounted on the rear wall?? any help is apreciated... oh and every speaker will have its own marantz MA 500 amp

I have a question,
I currently have Studio 20s V.5 cc490, HSU STF-1 sub, and a pair of Def Tech 800s for surrounds. Can I substitute the def tech 800s with Atoms, and would it sound any better. I am using a Onkyo 705 for an amp. Also can the atoms handel a 100 watt amp?

I have a question,
I currently have Studio 20s V.5 cc490, HSU STF-1 sub, and a pair of Def Tech 800s for surrounds. Can I substitute the def tech 800s with Atoms, and would it sound any better. I am using a Onkyo 705 for an amp. Also can the atoms handel a 100 watt amp?

I'm not sure the Atoms are voiced the same as the Studio line. Atom is in the Monitor line. Dealer would know or contact Paradigm direct. Studio 10s would be perfect if you can handle the extra $.

I have a question,
I currently have Studio 20s V.5 cc490, HSU STF-1 sub, and a pair of Def Tech 800s for surrounds. Can I substitute the def tech 800s with Atoms, and would it sound any better. I am using a Onkyo 705 for an amp. Also can the atoms handel a 100 watt amp?

The Atoms are not voiced the same as the studios but it would be a more seamless match than the Def Tech 800's.

Yes the Atoms can handle 100 watts. But what you must understand is that the onkyo is not putting out a continuous 100 watts. It delivers whatever the speaker requires given the source. If your main use is for HT then your rears will never require 100 watts, especially when they are crossed over with a sub at say 80hz. They will use much less wattage than that.

Long story short...Atoms will work just fine with your Onkyo 705 ;)

The Atoms are not voiced the same as the studios but it would be a more seamless match than the Def Tech 800's.

Yes the Atoms can handle 100 watts. But what you must understand is that the onkyo is not putting out a continuous 100 watts. It delivers whatever the speaker requires given the source. If your main use is for HT then your rears will never require 100 watts, especially when they are crossed over with a sub at say 80hz. They will use much less wattage than that.

Long story short...Atoms will work just fine with your Onkyo 705 ;)
Thanks for the reply. I have read so good reviews on these speakers, and at the moment I dont feel like spending another $800.00 on a pair of Studio 10s:D

If you're happy with your Def Techs, I'd probably skip "upgrading" to the Atoms. I've owned several pairs and currently run a pair in my kitchen for background music, but I don't think I'd ever try to incorporate them into a Studio-based system that's used predominantly for multichannel music. They are very, very different from the Studios. If you're not in a rush, why not save up some extra money and buy the speakers that are intended for your setup. You can get plenty of good deals on quality used gear at Audiogon and other sites or just buy new and haggle 20% off msrp from your dealer. I sincerely think you'd be disappointed with the Atoms.

J.

If you're happy with your Def Techs, I'd probably skip "upgrading" to the Atoms. I've owned several pairs and currently run a pair in my kitchen for background music, but I don't think I'd ever try to incorporate them into a Studio-based system that's used predominantly for multichannel music. They are very, very different from the Studios. If you're not in a rush, why not save up some extra money and buy the speakers that are intended for your setup. You can get plenty of good deals on quality used gear at Audiogon and other sites or just buy new and haggle 20% off msrp from your dealer. I sincerely think you'd be disappointed with the Atoms.

J.
Thanks Jason for the feedback. I probably will end up getting the Studio 10s.

I think that's a good idea. It doesn't make sense to try to incorporate a "lesser" speaker if you're not in a rush. Keep us posted!

J.

I think that's a good idea. It doesn't make sense to try to incorporate a "lesser" speaker if you're not in a rush. Keep us posted!

J.

I have another idea, and tell if I am crazy but how about replacing the Def techs with NHT classic 2s. They are perfect size for my room. There are 2 problems with the Studio 10s Price and size. I have read great reviews on the NHTs.

Hi
I'm assembling a system for my bedroom. I have a Pioneer VSX 919 driving a pair of Mini Monitor (v1) fronts. I bought a CC-170v2 and a pair of ADP-170v2s for rear surrounds (both used and cheap). My concerns that the CC would be inadequate turned out to be true -- it's quite muddy and not loud enough -- so much so that I find myself switching back to stereo mode. I was hoping to avoid buying a sub since I live in an upper floor apartment (and have already been informed by the wife that there are "too many speakers" in the bedroom -- as if such a concept exists! :p); but it's clear that I need one. FYI; I'm normally happy with the bass I get from my mini monitors and have no desire to make my room rumble -- I would just like to get clean sound.
I have about $500 to fix my lack of clarity problem. Here's what I'm considering:
Buying a used PS-1100 (about $320) or PDR-12 (about $200)
Replacing the CC-170 with a used Studio Reference CC (about $300) or CC-450 Reference (about $230)
Any feedback/suggestions?
Thanks and regards
/MM

Just thought I'd share my setup. Always a WIP.
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151733need a new best friend:D are those speakers too close to the wall?

They're not rear ported, so I'm not sure it really makes much of a difference.

J.

Just thought I'd share my setup. Always a WIP.
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Very nice. :)

They're not rear ported, so I'm not sure it really makes much of a difference.

J.


those are Sig s8's and they are both front and rear ported to handle the immense flow created by the bass drivers...

The Sig S8's are a bit more fussy about positioning then the Studio 100's or the Sig S6's that are only front ported...

I'm thinking seriously about upgrading to either the .v2 or the new .v3 with the improvements coming, while still staying priced the same.

The S8s with my limited positioning will complicate things for me, I may just have to go with the S6's, I'll be at Cedia to get more info on them...

My cabbage...I didnt' realize that they were both (clearly) front-ported as well as rear-ported.

J.

Very long shot......

Anyone with a pair of the old style Paradigm Premier J-20 20" 3 Tube Black stands??(old style) Looking to buy a set to match my J-27's :D

Send me a PM! Thanks!!

James

PM sent.

need a new best friend:D are those speakers too close to the wall?

Beautiful.

When is movie night? Ill bring the popcorn.

I'll try to condense the back story so you can try to find a cause or solution.

1. Had a cc-590 v3, played good but wanted for so I got a cc-690 v4 New in box from an authorized dealer on closeout
2. Used it for about a month, last 2 weeks in mono only and all at very low volumes (-20 usually) because my whole rig was being re-worked and upgraded
3. Finally set up my sub (having its own issues I am resolving in the epik thread) and need to turn up the volume to test the sub. I notice an IMMEDIATE horrible shrill, echo and skreetch on high pitch frequencies. It was really horrible.

Now I am left with the problem on low volumes as well if the pitch is high enough, obviously less severe. My dealer said bring it in on wens (when my sales person will be there) and they will send it to paradigm. Is there any other way to have it serviced? I am 95% sure it is just the tweeter. Will a dealer ever ok ordering the part only and letting me fix it?

Right now I have a set of Studio 100s running bi-amped off of a Anthem PVA-7(105 wattsx2). I am looking at buying an Anthem MCA-20 (200watts) to run the 100s. Will this amp be a better amp to run them, or is the PVA-7 fine.

I'll try to condense the back story so you can try to find a cause or solution.

1. Had a cc-590 v3, played good but wanted for so I got a cc-690 v4 New in box from an authorized dealer on closeout
2. Used it for about a month, last 2 weeks in mono only and all at very low volumes (-20 usually) because my whole rig was being re-worked and upgraded
3. Finally set up my sub (having its own issues I am resolving in the epik thread) and need to turn up the volume to test the sub. I notice an IMMEDIATE horrible shrill, echo and skreetch on high pitch frequencies. It was really horrible.

Now I am left with the problem on low volumes as well if the pitch is high enough, obviously less severe. My dealer said bring it in on wens (when my sales person will be there) and they will send it to paradigm. Is there any other way to have it serviced? I am 95% sure it is just the tweeter. Will a dealer ever ok ordering the part only and letting me fix it?

I had some polk speakers do that once but never did it again. Weird and horrible sound for sure. Sorry I don't have anything useful to add lol

I am 95% sure it is just the tweeter. Will a dealer ever ok ordering the part only and letting me fix it?
Letting you fix it, I don't know. But switching out the tweeter should be something the dealer does. No reason to send back the whole speaker.

For it to be covered under warranty, the dealer will likely have to test/inspect the speaker and do the replacement themselves. No need to send it back to Paradigm.

Good luck!

J.

I'll try to condense the back story so you can try to find a cause or solution.

1. Had a cc-590 v3, played good but wanted for so I got a cc-690 v4 New in box from an authorized dealer on closeout
2. Used it for about a month, last 2 weeks in mono only and all at very low volumes (-20 usually) because my whole rig was being re-worked and upgraded
3. Finally set up my sub (having its own issues I am resolving in the epik thread) and need to turn up the volume to test the sub. I notice an IMMEDIATE horrible shrill, echo and skreetch on high pitch frequencies. It was really horrible.

Now I am left with the problem on low volumes as well if the pitch is high enough, obviously less severe. My dealer said bring it in on wens (when my sales person will be there) and they will send it to paradigm. Is there any other way to have it serviced? I am 95% sure it is just the tweeter. Will a dealer ever ok ordering the part only and letting me fix it?

I was able to fix my 690 myself. However, it took 3 replacement mid-tweeter drivers until I figured out it was a bad crossover causing my drivers to blow (my speaker was always played at low to moderate levels). Like you, I was certain it was the driver until my 2nd replacement blew. My 6-month ordeal towards having a perfect 690 would have been less pain staking had I just taken the speaker to the dealer to get repaired.

On a positive note, my dealer and Paradigm were very helpful with getting my speaker repaired.

I'll try to condense the back story so you can try to find a cause or solution.

1. Had a cc-590 v3, played good but wanted for so I got a cc-690 v4 New in box from an authorized dealer on closeout
2. Used it for about a month, last 2 weeks in mono only and all at very low volumes (-20 usually) because my whole rig was being re-worked and upgraded
3. Finally set up my sub (having its own issues I am resolving in the epik thread) and need to turn up the volume to test the sub. I notice an IMMEDIATE horrible shrill, echo and skreetch on high pitch frequencies. It was really horrible.

Now I am left with the problem on low volumes as well if the pitch is high enough, obviously less severe. My dealer said bring it in on wens (when my sales person will be there) and they will send it to paradigm. Is there any other way to have it serviced? I am 95% sure it is just the tweeter. Will a dealer ever ok ordering the part only and letting me fix it?


goonstopher, I myself had run into a quality control issue with both my Paradigm Ref Studio 100 v.5 fronts some months ago. I had an issue with the tweeter in both my fronts in that they were not working at all. Upon several calls to my dealer and to Paradigm and not getting anywhere (support is still top notch from Paradigm--I'm not knocking them), I had decided to unscrew the speaker cable hookup plate and discovered that the two tweeter wires have come loose from their gold leads. These wires are so short, that it was evident that somehow in the shipping, they could've both come loose at anytime.

In speaking with Paradigm, this could've been a bad batch as this has been escalated to the actual person who assembled it since I've given them the serial numbers of my speakers. This is definitely a quality control issue that I was surprised to discover from such a great speaker company.

Thus, having said all this, I'm not sure whether you are running into a similar issue, since you've mentioned that you ARE hearing the tweeters, only they are harsh and shrill, whereas, mine were completely inactive. I'd still verify the leads to the tweeter wires (bottom pair), to make sure you've covered all your bases before sending your speaker to be serviced. There is nothing more frustrating than having discovered that it might've been a problem you could easily have fixed yourself. In addition, Paradigm had mentioned to me that such a minor repair, having been capable of performing it myself, does NOT void the warrantly.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Shawn

Now ALL the fronts are doing this (sides not connected)-Here is a post where I thought it might be the receiver...Hope I am wrong!

I Was changing some wiring on my 805 and then noticed the center channels tweeter sounded blown. I figured it was the center channel so I put it on stereo and waited to bring the center to the dealer for testing and repair and the front speakers are doing the same thing. The high frequencies sound very harsh and echo a lot. It is VERY noticeable, my girl can hear it and she never notices ANY changes. The center channel is PAINFUL and the fronts are almost as bad, even at lower volumes womens voices sound empty and have a shrill.

I switched back to the old speaker wire to see and took off all banana plugs then also removed the subwoofer I tried to add and it didn't help at all. The only change right now is that all the power cables were put into a wooden box I made to cover my power strip. It is just cosmetic and ventalated on top and bottom, besides that it is the same strip, same wires. All components cause the same problem, cable and dvd's. The ONLY other change is I added a wii to the power strip.

Could the onkyo be blown in some way. What can cause it to cause distortion to all speakers?

I have a question about matching towers with center, if I decided to buy paradigm studio 100v2, would it be alright to get Paradigm Studio CC690v3 or CC690v4 or do they have to be the same version to be timbre match. Also I heard that paradigm is very bright, is that true?

I am revamping (or modifying) my system after a few years, on strict budget, kids in college etc. I accumulated this speaker system over the years, and am wondering if i am just way off the technology arena....
So:

Existing Speakers from previous setup:
Paradigm Mini Monitor v2 fronts (cherry finish, gorgeous)
Paradigm subwoofer (Model ?)
Klipsch RC3 Center
Klipsch surround in rear

Samsung 55" LCD
Samsung Blue Ray

About to purchase Onkyo 706 AVR, and am wondering how this all plays out with this system? I have had these speakers for quite a few years, and have not been in the electronics market for long time..

Any help would be most appreciative.

Hey guys, first time poster in the speaker section :cool:

After doing much researching, reading, and lurking I came to some conclusions on what I needed from my future speaker system. I have a list of a multitude of setups from many brands (Ascend, Axiom, B&W, eD, Energy, Infinity, JBL, Klipsch, Monitor Audio, NHT, Polk, PSB, SVS). However not being able to find much information on Paradigm, being harder to find (local only), I decided I needed to go listen to some Paradigm speakers at a local dealer. I was mainly interested in the Monitor towers because they represent a good value. As I expected, the 7s were just too weak. Switching to the 9s is a huge improvement, easily worth the price difference. Moving to the 11s provided a fuller sound and more bass, however I can't justify the price difference as a sub will be used (likely the SVS PB12-NSD - $569). So, Monitor 9s hit a sweet spot for me.

Then we switched on the Studios...not a good idea! Any time you are given a glimpse of a greener pasture you instantly start trying to calculate if its possible to swing the more expensive upgrade. Here is my short summary of the difference:

Monitor:
Up front, bright, in your face, detailed, if slightly artifical at times. Possibly fatiguing over time

Studio:
Laid back, very smooth, detailed yet neutral. Sounds like you could listen for hours and not get tired

The exact models I compared were the latest series bookshelves because we didn't have Studio towers in that room to compare. It was the Monitor 20 vs the Mini Monitor. Still, all I needed to hear was the different woofers and tweeter and the difference is pretty obvious.

Paradigm owners - do you believe the Studios could get "boring" for HT/Games being much more laid back and neutral? I did not find them warm, they just didn't make themselves so obvious like the Monitors.

Primary use is HT/Games. Music is very important to me also, but not the primary use of this system.

What would the matching center for the Studio 60 be? Paradigm says CC-690, but that seems like overkill, and a better match for the Studio 100. Local dealer says CC-490 but the drivers are small. CC-590 seems the best match on paper looking at driver size and frequency response.

I'm sticking with the Monitor series surrounds and SVS sub due to cost.

Here is some preliminary pricing with my choice of surrounds and sub...

--Paradigm Monitor-- $2769
F Monitor 9 $900
C CC-390 $600
S ADP-390 $700
S SVS PB12-NSD $569

--Paradigm Studio-- $3969
F Studio 60 $1700
C CC-590 $1000
S ADP-390 $700
S SVS PB12-NSD $569

Now this is a significant amount more for the Studio series. The prices aren't perfect but should be close. It's about $1200 between the two. I calculated that he is giving me roughly 15% off MSRP. My thinking is this...I don't like the cost. However, they will last many years and will eliminate the possibility of coming down with "upgraditis", also known as the upgrade bug. Knowing there was that better Studio series may bug me. Having the Studio series would prevent upgraditis. My motto is do it right the first time, so you don't have to do it again. Upgrading later means buying twice, spending more money in total.

I'd jump right on it but many other simultaneus expenses (king size bed, dining set, some living room furniture, 65" Mitsu DLP :D, stand for the DLP, Slim PS3...) are making me think twice about what I really need from a set of speakers. I have many less expensive options from the likes of Polk, Infinity, etc...I just hate knowing I settled! (although I really do like those magnetic grilles on the Monitor series...) ;)

I have more research to do on some of the other brands still, but if anyone could share their decision making process between the Monitor and Studio series I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

I have a question about matching towers with center, if I decided to buy paradigm studio 100v2, would it be alright to get Paradigm Studio CC690v3 or CC690v4 or do they have to be the same version to be timbre match. Also I heard that paradigm is very bright, is that true?
In my listening experience yesterday, the Studio series is not bright at all. See my previous post.

They're not rear ported, so I'm not sure it really makes much of a difference.

J.

I spent several hours playing with these in a dealership and the positioning made a way bigger difference that I'd expected. I settled on about 40" from the wall and 20 degrees of toe in (for that room and seating position) and grills off. I was surprised at the difference. I have average ears at best given what some folks say they can hear.

my $0.02

I have more research to do on some of the other brands still, but if anyone could share their decision making process between the Monitor and Studio series I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

I would go with the Studio set if you can stomach the extra cost. The Studio
line inherits some tech from the Signature line and if $1200 is the difference, IMHO, it's worth it. Plus the Studio line maintains its value better in the resell market.

However, for HT purposes alone, you probably won't mind the performance of the Monitor line as most sound is generated by the centre. Therefore the better L-R won't matter as much.

I have more research to do on some of the other brands still, but if anyone could share their decision making process between the Monitor and Studio series I would be very interested in hearing your thoughts.

I owned a full monitor set. I upgraded to the Studio line in 2 years. While I enjoyed the Monitors a great deal, I find the Studios are a much better fit to my ear.

I think you are spot on with your assessment of the differences. With the Studios, I can listen to HT/Games/Music for hours and hours on end. The Monitors did induce a few headaches and fatigue. However, take this with a grain of salt as I did make a substantial investment in acoustic treatments shortly after getting the Studios. I always wonder if I would've been happier with the monitors if my room were properly treated from the start. If you dont have a treated room; consider that along with your speaker decision; it can make a big difference.

Now ALL the fronts are doing this (sides not connected)-Here is a post where I thought it might be the receiver...Hope I am wrong!

I Was changing some wiring on my 805 and then noticed the center channels tweeter sounded blown. I figured it was the center channel so I put it on stereo and waited to bring the center to the dealer for testing and repair and the front speakers are doing the same thing. The high frequencies sound very harsh and echo a lot. It is VERY noticeable, my girl can hear it and she never notices ANY changes. The center channel is PAINFUL and the fronts are almost as bad, even at lower volumes womens voices sound empty and have a shrill.

I switched back to the old speaker wire to see and took off all banana plugs then also removed the subwoofer I tried to add and it didn't help at all. The only change right now is that all the power cables were put into a wooden box I made to cover my power strip. It is just cosmetic and ventalated on top and bottom, besides that it is the same strip, same wires. All components cause the same problem, cable and dvd's. The ONLY other change is I added a wii to the power strip.

Could the onkyo be blown in some way. What can cause it to cause distortion to all speakers?

Does anyone thing bundling the power chord in with other power chords using spiral wrap could be the cause? Before this they were together with zip chord but not bundled totally together... I am panicking, I sort of want to buy a 876 and send the 805 for fixing then sell it when it gets back

I have a question about matching towers with center, if I decided to buy paradigm studio 100v2, would it be alright to get Paradigm Studio CC690v3 or CC690v4 or do they have to be the same version to be timbre match. Also I heard that paradigm is very bright, is that true?

I have not found the studio 100's or anyother of their speakers bright. All of the speakers you mention will be timbre matched because timbre matching has to do with freq. response and all paradigms speakers adhere to this standard. I have been assured of this from an insider at paradigm. Incidentally, I have the studio 100's v.2 with the CC-690 v4 and they sound fanatastic. Very smooth panning from side to side. Even my PSB side and rears are very well matched to the fronts.
John

I would go with the Studio set if you can stomach the extra cost. The Studio
line inherits some tech from the Signature line and if $1200 is the difference, IMHO, it's worth it. Plus the Studio line maintains its value better in the resell market.

However, for HT purposes alone, you probably won't mind the performance of the Monitor line as most sound is generated by the centre. Therefore the better L-R won't matter as much.
Those are good points.
I owned a full monitor set. I upgraded to the Studio line in 2 years. While I enjoyed the Monitors a great deal, I find the Studios are a much better fit to my ear.

I think you are spot on with your assessment of the differences. With the Studios, I can listen to HT/Games/Music for hours and hours on end. The Monitors did induce a few headaches and fatigue. However, take this with a grain of salt as I did make a substantial investment in acoustic treatments shortly after getting the Studios. I always wonder if I would've been happier with the monitors if my room were properly treated from the start. If you dont have a treated room; consider that along with your speaker decision; it can make a big difference.
Thanks for confirming my assessment. This won't be a treated room, and the sq ft is between 2000-3000.

I have much more to read, but any more insight would be very helpful.

I have a pair of Studio 40 v3 and a CC-470v3 up front. I would like to upgrade to a bigger center and the CC-570 v3 seems to fit the bill, but I cannot find one. There is a CC-590 v4 available. Would that be a good match, or should I keep looking for a CC-570 v3? Listening is 80/20 HT/Music.

Thanks,

Lew

I spent several hours playing with these in a dealership and the positioning made a way bigger difference that I'd expected. I settled on about 40" from the wall and 20 degrees of toe in (for that room and seating position) and grills off. I was surprised at the difference. I have average ears at best given what some folks say they can hear.

my $0.02

There has to be something wrong with their room or setup, if you have to position speakers 40" from a wall. No one in their right mind, is going to position speakers over THREE FEET in a home environment. That is ridiculous. Use room treatments and make sure Audyssey is engaged. Listening to speakers in "direct" mode in a non-treated room is even worse. Your best bet is to see if you can demo them in your home.

Monitor:
Up front, bright, in your face, detailed, if slightly artifical at times. Possibly fatiguing over time

Studio:
Laid back, very smooth, detailed yet neutral. Sounds like you could listen for hours and not get tired


For my HT, I went completely with the monitor line, with Monitor 9's v.6, (2) ADP-390's, (2) DSP-3200's, CC-290. I wouldn't call them bright at all. Yes their sound was a little up-front and as you say "in your face". After I treated my living room with acoustic panels and ran Audyssey, the problem went away. They sound very smooth and detailed to me for both HT and music. I've had these speakers since end of last year, and they are not fatiguing at all. I've run music through them for several hours at a time, and never feel fatigued. The "brightness" and "fatigue" that most people experience can be lessened, with good room acoustics and proper setup.

I have a pair of Studio 40 v3 and a CC-470v3 up front. I would like to upgrade to a bigger center and the CC-570 v3 seems to fit the bill, but I cannot find one. There is a CC-590 v4 available. Would that be a good match, or should I keep looking for a CC-570 v3? Listening is 80/20 HT/Music.

Thanks,

Lew

The CC-590 will be fine, as would a v5. If you're itching for an upgrade from your center, why not consider the 690? If you have the space for it, I would highly recommend it.

J.

There has to be something wrong with their room or setup, if you have to position speakers 40" from a wall. No one in their right mind, is going to position speakers over THREE FEET in a home environment. That is ridiculous. Use room treatments and make sure Audyssey is engaged. Listening to speakers in "direct" mode in a non-treated room is even worse. Your best bet is to see if you can demo them in your home.

perhaps. Not my room obviously. Oddly it did have quite a lot of room treatments. Mind you 40 is where I could no longer notice any wall effects. I was not alone in this. now you really had to work to tell the difference between 40 and say 30 but below 2 feet it was really noticeable. the toe in really made a big difference. Keep in mind that these were brand new and the dealer had just placed them on the floor and spent no time positioning them. I KNOW they are way more knowledgeable than I am in this stuff. They just let me play. For reference the speakers were in the same relative position a week later so I was not too far off. You are right though 40" is big. In my room I'm 28" out and really cant afford much more.

I have my Studio 100s around 36 in away from my back wall.....Any less and the bottom end falls right off. Thats what I have found and read ,they need space behind them.......

I don't understand why they would need 36" behind them. Even my Dali Euphonias (which are rear-ported) don't need that much space.

J.

I have my Studio 100s around 36 in away from my back wall.....Any less and the bottom end falls right off. Thats what I have found and read ,they need space behind them.......

I've got'em just about the same distance as the speakers depth and the bottom end is pretty tight. I think 16" works fine - I originally had them out only 10" since the manual recommended at least 8 and it sounded boomy. 6" more was the most I could add to bring it out and that actually made a big difference. My room won't allow me to give them 36".

I have mine only about 1' from the wall so I put an acoustic panel behind each (24x24, 4" bass trap type leaning with space behind). It helped tremendously with creating the low end (which was missing before) that these can produce.

I have mine only about 1' from the wall so I put an acoustic panel behind each (24x24, 4" bass trap type leaning with space behind). It helped tremendously with creating the low end (which was missing before) that these can produce.
Can you show me where you found those?

I think I may get two ADP-390's for surround to add to my Monitor 9's to make 5.1ch. The only problem is that I have no place on one of my side walls to mount a speaker. So I will have to use these as rears, and mount on the back wall behind the couch. Will there be a problem having the speakers connected to "surround" on my receiver, and mounted as "surround-back"? I have my fronts bi-amped, so can't use "surround back" terminals. Would I be better off going with direct firing Mini or Titan Monitors for surround and place them on stands?

Can you show me where you found those?

Sure: http://www.atsacoustics.com/cat--ATS-Acoustic-Panels--100.html


For behind my studio 100's in front:
I have one 24x24 4" with open back leaning behind each. I then have a 48x24 4" hanging directly above each of the 24x24 panels that I attached to the wall.

I had the 48x24,4" for a few months before I decided to complement with the extra 2 feet at the bottom. In my room, it really helped (and the subsequent audyssey readout and change in its EQ helped prove that is wasn't all in my head)

For the rest of the room, I have two 6', 6" thick corner traps and then 8 more 48x24, 4" behind my seating position and along the side walls. The difference between my room when it was bare and my current setup is truly "night and day".

I myself have Paradigm Signature S8v2's. I bought them new last year. I also have, new last year, a Bryston 14B SST that powers them. I cannot overemphasize how important having a high current amp is for these speakers, or any for that matter.

Having 4 cones for bass makes them a drain on the current, and if the amp is high current the cones will have control, definition and poise. I have tried the speakers with a Parasound HCA 2200II amp, my former reference, and it was not even close. Granted, that should be expected given the cost difference in the 14B. But to say the amp makes a huge difference is like saying there is a difference in the cut of a diamond.

I was going to buy either the S8v2 or the B+W 803D. But I was able to get a discount on the S8 when I least expected it and sonically I could not find the 803D any better especially given the cost. Moreover, the fact the Paradigm is Canadian, which I am, and the B+W English meant there was no getting around the fact there was a huge cost difference in the shipping and importing of the 803D. Not to say the B+W was bad, but had it been cheaper the choice might of been tougher.

I have no regrets. Quality is astounding and would heartedly recommend it anytime. I am a strict 2 channel listener and find the sound, detail and resolution superb.

Does anyone know when the different versions of the Paradigm Monitor line came out?

I am really trying to figure out when the version 4 monitor series came out and when it was available for sale, and the same for version 3.

Thanks!

I have a quick question and need your help. I purchased three Paradigm Studio Series Studio 10's Version 5 with the Rosenut finish as my front right, center and left speakers. I have just ordered 3 Studio Series Studio 100's for the front right, center and left speakers in my theater. Since these speakers are only 4 months old and in perfect condidition what would be a fair asking pricing for these three speakers. I know I have to sell all three as a set but I would like to be fair. I loved having rthe same speakers across the front sound stage and they sounded awesome and that is why I purchased the 100's.

Is Audiogon a good place to advertise or would ebay be better?

Thanks,
Ted

With Audiogon you are going to get dedicated audiophiles where you are taking a chance on Ebay as you could always not get what you want. If you do go ebay, make sure on a good reserve price.

I would go Audiogon only in that you are selling to an audiophile who is going to understand what you have and respond in kind.

Sure: http://www.atsacoustics.com/cat--ATS-Acoustic-Panels--100.html


For behind my studio 100's in front:
I have one 24x24 4" with open back leaning behind each. I then have a 48x24 4" hanging directly above each of the 24x24 panels that I attached to the wall.

I had the 48x24,4" for a few months before I decided to complement with the extra 2 feet at the bottom. In my room, it really helped (and the subsequent audyssey readout and change in its EQ helped prove that is wasn't all in my head)

For the rest of the room, I have two 6', 6" thick corner traps and then 8 more 48x24, 4" behind my seating position and along the side walls. The difference between my room when it was bare and my current setup is truly "night and day".
I think it would be interesting to see some pictures of this setup :)

Sure: http://www.atsacoustics.com/cat--ATS-Acoustic-Panels--100.html


For behind my studio 100's in front:
I have one 24x24 4" with open back leaning behind each. I then have a 48x24 4" hanging directly above each of the 24x24 panels that I attached to the wall.

I had the 48x24,4" for a few months before I decided to complement with the extra 2 feet at the bottom. In my room, it really helped (and the subsequent audyssey readout and change in its EQ helped prove that is wasn't all in my head)

For the rest of the room, I have two 6', 6" thick corner traps and then 8 more 48x24, 4" behind my seating position and along the side walls. The difference between my room when it was bare and my current setup is truly "night and day".

What made you want these over GIK? I don't think GIK is better, heck I don't know but they seem more popular so I am just wondering and hopefully learning.

What made you want these over GIK? I don't think GIK is better, heck I don't know but they seem more popular so I am just wondering and hopefully learning.

i cant speak for Jaketh, but i chose ATS because they were sooo much cheaper. In fact i went with the DIY route and just purchased a 6-pack of roxul in the 24"x48" panel size for only $50. With the cost of wood and breathable cloth it only ended up costing me $135 for 4 full sized panels and 4 half sized panels. Waaaaay cheap and one of the best additions to any room. :cool:

Interesting, the dealer is letting you buy three Studio 100's? I have had two local dealers and Paradigm tell me they would not sell a set of three S6's or a single Studio 100 to match what I have now. Is there a back story on this, is the dealer ordering 4 and keeping 1 or something like this?



I have a quick question and need your help. I purchased three Paradigm Studio Series Studio 10's Version 5 with the Rosenut finish as my front right, center and left speakers. I have just ordered 3 Studio Series Studio 100's for the front right, center and left speakers in my theater. Since these speakers are only 4 months old and in perfect condidition what would be a fair asking pricing for these three speakers. I know I have to sell all three as a set but I would like to be fair. I loved having rthe same speakers across the front sound stage and they sounded awesome and that is why I purchased the 100's.

Is Audiogon a good place to advertise or would ebay be better?

Thanks,
Ted

No, I ordered the Studio 10's the same way.

I think it would be interesting to see some pictures of this setup :)

Let me see what I can do and upload something this weekend

What made you want these over GIK? I don't think GIK is better, heck I don't know but they seem more popular so I am just wondering and hopefully learning.

If I recall correctly it was cost and ATS was offering a free shipping option which really helped me on the decision. I also did some of the readytraps DIY 6" bags for my corners; so I have a mix of readytraps/ATS. I would really doubt if there is a major sound difference between any of the brands when used as wall panels, so to me, cost made the most difference.

I wish I had the inclination to DIY but with 2 toddlers running around, the last thing I need is another project (especially one with insulation and glue!)

i cant speak for Jaketh, but i chose ATS because they were sooo much cheaper. In fact i went with the DIY route and just purchased a 6-pack of roxul in the 24"x48" panel size for only $50. With the cost of wood and breathable cloth it only ended up costing me $135 for 4 full sized panels and 4 half sized panels. Waaaaay cheap and one of the best additions to any room. :cool:

ATS is cheaper but their absorption numbers for the 4" traps are similar to the numbers for the 2" traps from GIK. I may use GIK for behind my fronts because space is at a premium back there then consider ATS for other locations.

There was a Paradigm dealer in the state of Washington that we use to use as a reference, that had an m.s.r.p. sheet for all of their speaker products. Very nice folks to deal with. Could someone provide me with their name/site-address, please? Thanks !

Interesting, the dealer is letting you buy three Studio 100's? I have had two local dealers and Paradigm tell me they would not sell a set of three S6's or a single Studio 100 to match what I have now. Is there a back story on this, is the dealer ordering 4 and keeping 1 or something like this?

No reason the dealer shouldn't let you order 3, if thats what you want. They're sold individually and priced "each" anyway.

ATS is cheaper but their absorption numbers for the 4" traps are similar to the numbers for the 2" traps from GIK. I may use GIK for behind my fronts because space is at a premium back there then consider ATS for other locations.

I'm no expert, but having 4" thick treatments should help more for the low frequency taming. 2" will likely not do much/anything for your low end. Whichever company you choose, having some treatment will make a difference...just how much and at what frequency is dependant on your choice of thickness (my understanding from reading the acoustic threads).

I'm no expert, but having 4" thick treatments should help more for the low frequency taming. 2" will likely not do much/anything for your low end. Whichever company you choose, having some treatment will make a difference...just how much and at what frequency is dependant on your choice of thickness (my understanding from reading the acoustic threads).

correct. That just means they would work better as a bass trap, but has nothing to do with the quality of the panel.

No reason the dealer shouldn't let you order 3, if thats what you want. They're sold individually and priced "each" anyway.

They are priced each, but sold in pairs...strange i know.

I am a bit surprised at some of the posts mentioning the Paradigm speakers are bright sounding....I had a Monitor lineup for several years and they were very neutral sounding to me...I made the mistake one day of taking them into my local custom installer's place and listening to them side by side with some other speakers and it was as if a pillow was over my Monitor 7's - the other speakers were much more detailed and open sounding (these were far more expensive speakers though)...I ended up selling my Monitors, but have always been a Paradigm fan since - very hard to beat them for the money imo...on another note, how about that new $7k sub with 6 10 inch drivers they have coming out?!?!:eek:

I am a bit surprised at some of the posts mentioning the Paradigm speakers are bright sounding....I had a Monitor lineup for several years and they were very neutral sounding to me...I made the mistake one day of taking them into my local custom installer's place and listening to them side by side with some other speakers and it was as if a pillow was over my Monitor 7's - the other speakers were much more detailed and open sounding (these were far more expensive speakers though)...I ended up selling my Monitors, but have always been a Paradigm fan since - very hard to beat them for the money imo...on another note, how about that new $7k sub with 6 10 inch drivers they have coming out?!?!:eek:

hmm i dunno man, the Monitors these days do tend to push towards the bright side. Its not a bad thing.

I think it would be interesting to see some pictures of this setup :)

Here you go!

Here you go!Very nice! Great job. Who makes those theater seats and if you don't mind on telling me the price.

Does the studio esprit sound way better than the millenium 20's? How does the esprit stand up with the w5's.

Chester

Very nice! Great job. Who makes those theater seats and if you don't mind on telling me the price.

Thanks! They are Berklines, cant remember price exactly so I'll abstain given the rules around here on price quoting.

There was a Paradigm dealer in the state of Washington that we use to use as a reference, that had an m.s.r.p. sheet for all of their speaker products. Very nice folks to deal with. Could someone provide me with their name/site-address, please? Thanks !


Not sure if this is the one you are looking for:

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Has anyone opened a PDR-12 sub for cleaning/inspection? How should I go about it? Any gotchas?

My PDR-12 sub makes a light chattering noise when I send the "pink" calibration sound. During normal use, there is no chattering sound. Seems as if there is some debris between the cone and the grill (non removable) or maybe some loose joint. Don't believe I can cause damage if I carefully open to clean it up. Sub is 2 years old, so no warranty.

Please post any manuals/pictures/instructions

Not yet a paradigm owner, but likely to be joining the ranks soon... I am looking to purchase the following for a room of 11x16x8 feet and am looking for some "yeah, that'd work" remarks or "are you crazy?" if pertinent.

Monitor 7 (Front)
Atom (Surround)
CC390
DSP-3100

I realize that the CC290 would be fine, but the only place I can find for the centre will be under the TV due to the height of Paradigm's centres. The only centre big enough to completely support the base of my TV though is the CC390.

Not yet a paradigm owner, but likely to be joining the ranks soon... I am looking to purchase the following for a room of 11x16x8 feet and am looking for some "yeah, that'd work" remarks or "are you crazy?" if pertinent.

Monitor 7 (Front)
Atom (Surround)
CC390
DSP-3100

I realize that the CC290 would be fine, but the only place I can find for the centre will be under the TV due to the height of Paradigm's centres. The only centre big enough to completely support the base of my TV though is the CC390.
I think you will be fine if you have heard this combo and its pleasing to your
ears then enjoy the only thing I would look at some SVS or HSU for the sub
they tend to offer more bang for the buck than Paradigm.

http://www.cepro.com/article/paradigms_new_299_se_1_speaker_beats_1000_model_in_blind_lis tening_tests/D1/

Thought this might be of interest to some here.

http://www.cepro.com/article/paradigms_new_299_se_1_speaker_beats_1000_model_in_blind_lis tening_tests/D1/

Thought this might be of interest to some here.

Sounds interesting. Wonder why they think that the Monitor series HF drivers and the Studio sereis LF drivers would make a good combo though? They seem to be priced right though.

Not sure if this is the one you are looking for:

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Yes, exactly ! Thanks a lot, Blarkin !;)

I'm just about to order the Paradigm Studio 100's in rosenut but I'm a little conflicted about the center I should go for. On one hand, my cabinet won't be able to hold the CC690 so I don't really have a choice as it wouldn't fit.

But on the other hand, I've heard from some owners that the CC590 sounds 'nasally' and 'congested' and other things which tells me that it's not the best center to go for. Really want the 690 but I'm probably going to have to compromise and get the 590.

Anyone with experience having heard the 590 vs 690 center ? Is the difference in clarify very big or subtle ?

Regards,

http://www.cepro.com/article/paradigms_new_299_se_1_speaker_beats_1000_model_in_blind_lis tening_tests/D1/
Thought this might be of interest to some here.

This is odd, combining the drivers in this fashion. They look pretty nice, although I'm not too keen on gloss black. Too reflective in a theater setting, gets fingerprints easy. I wonder how rosenut will look? Also notice they don't have the silver screws of latest Monitors. :(

http://www.cepro.com/images/uploads/paradigm_se_series_official.jpg

This is odd, combining the drivers in this fashion. They look pretty nice, although I'm not too keen on gloss black. Too reflective in a theater setting, gets fingerprints easy. I wonder how rosenut will look? Also notice they don't have the silver screws of latest Monitors. :(

http://www.cepro.com/images/uploads/paradigm_se_series_official.jpg
When will these be available?
Can't find them on their website.

I recently moved and I'm in the middle of redoing my in-wall system, so if anybody knows where I can get a decent deal on a pair of Sa-15's, 25's or Sa-30's let me know...

Wonder why they think that the Monitor series HF drivers and the Studio sereis LF drivers would make a good combo though?

They sure look better than those condem looking drivers though.:):p

The new SEs don't mention surrounds, will they offer em in this line up?

PS, very ht wet behind the ears, so if the bookshelf speakers are the surrounds or can be then DOH on the observation:-), but the site lists bookshelves, floorstanding, center, sub and surrounds.

PPS, if those aren't the surrounds and they will not be offered what would you buy to compliment the new speaker line up?

I'm just about to order the Paradigm Studio 100's in rosenut but I'm a little conflicted about the center I should go for. On one hand, my cabinet won't be able to hold the CC690 so I don't really have a choice as it wouldn't fit.

But on the other hand, I've heard from some owners that the CC590 sounds 'nasally' and 'congested' and other things which tells me that it's not the best center to go for. Really want the 690 but I'm probably going to have to compromise and get the 590.

Anyone with experience having heard the 590 vs 690 center ? Is the difference in clarify very big or subtle ?

Regards,

I had both the 590 and 690. I "upgraded" to the 690 because I thought it would match my 100's better (visually and sonically). IMO, although, there was an improvement in sound quality with the two additional mids and bigger cabinet of the 690, it wasn't a substantial improvement. Since, my set-up is in a rather small space, the 590 sounded great. I think you should consider the size of your room, if its smaller go with the 590 otherwise go with the 690.

BTW, I didn't find my 590 to be nasally or congested, to me it's close to being as detailed as the 690.

Does anyone use Studio 20s for surrounds? I currently have studio 100 & 690 v.4s up front and adp390s in the back (on wall behind me). I was thinking of putting either adp 590s on the sides or going direct-firing with studio 20s. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Reason -- I have upgraditis (#1). Secondary Reason -- I've always been skeptical of where I had to put the 390s (being right behind me) and wanted something to the sides.

Thanks for any thoughts

Does anyone use Studio 20s for surrounds? I currently have studio 100 & 690 v.4s up front and adp390s in the back (on wall behind me). I was thinking of putting either adp 590s on the sides or going direct-firing with studio 20s. Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Reason -- I have upgraditis (#1). Secondary Reason -- I've always been skeptical of where I had to put the 390s (being right behind me) and wanted something to the sides.

Thanks for any thoughts

I have a very similar setup to yours - same fronts, same surrounds and have th ADP's on the back wall as well.

I also wanted to add a pair of Studio 20's to the sides and ended up getting Studio 40's instead(only cuz they were cheaper and came with free stands with the v4's on clearance). I think it sounds very good having direct-firing surrounds especially for multi-channel music listening. It also blends in well with the dipoles ion the back wall for 7.1 movies. They don't draw attention to themselves since it is all level matched with an SPL meter. I personally wouldn't change the way I have it now but I think either way with the Studio 20's or ADP-590's it will sound good. It would be best if you could take them home to try out.

I have a very similar setup to yours - same fronts, same surrounds and have th ADP's on the back wall as well.

I also wanted to add a pair of Studio 20's to the sides and ended up getting Studio 40's instead(only cuz they were cheaper and came with free stands with the v4's on clearance). I think it sounds very good having direct-firing surrounds especially for multi-channel music listening. It also blends in well with the dipoles ion the back wall for 7.1 movies. They don't draw attention to themselves since it is all level matched with an SPL meter. I personally wouldn't change the way I have it now but I think either way with the Studio 20's or ADP-590's it will sound good. It would be best if you could take them home to try out.

I really appreciate the info; I'll keep an eye out for a used set of either 20s or 40s and give it a go.

In a CEDIA podcast, a Paradigm rep. announced that the Studio series speakers will be available in gloss black. In fact, they had a model 60 in gloss black at the show. Grrrreat!!!!!

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/292740/cedia-2009-video-podcast-paradigm

Would a new Monitor 7 v6 be better than a Studio 60 v2?

Not sure if this is the one you are looking for:

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

On a side note, I've seen two different msrp's for 2009 now, which is correct?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1905665&postcount=91

is the other listing which claims CAD and USD price differences even though my local place told me the Cinema 330's are $379 in the US.

Would a new Monitor 7 v6 be better than a Studio 60 v2?

I have not heard the new Monitor lineup (since I sold mine 5 years ago), but from what I recall of them, there is no comparison whatsoever between the monitor lineup and the Studio lineup....you will need a sub added to your system no matter which way you go, so that is not a deciding factor there - I would get the Studio's for sure (assuming they are in good condition, etc)

I have a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2 and recently I visited my local dealer and saw he has a Signature C3 for sale at half price, cheaper than Audiogon prices.

I'm wondering would this, the C3, would be a good match with my 60s. Normally, you shouldn't but maybe I can more up to the Signature line down the road with the C3.

Reason I'm looking for a Center is I find that my CC450 sounds a littel thin so I"m looking for a bigger center.

Another option would be the CC690 which is about $150 more expensive than the C3. What do you think?

I have a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2 and recently I visited my local dealer and saw he has a Signature C3 for sale at half price, cheaper than Audiogon prices.

I'm wondering would this, the C3, would be a good match with my 60s. Normally, you shouldn't but maybe I can more up to the Signature line down the road with the C3.

Reason I'm looking for a Center is I find that my CC450 sounds a littel thin so I"m looking for a bigger center.

Another option would be the CC690 which is about $150 more expensive than the C3. What do you think?

solid deal. It definately wont be a timbre match, as the Sig line is just different sounding, more refined if you will. If you plan on using it as a way to jump to the Signature Series than thats not a bad plan. Its a great center, just realize it will be a little different sounding (but obviously much better than the CC450). Ask your dealer if he will let you audition it at home and see how you like it.

solid deal. It definately wont be a timbre match, as the Sig line is just different sounding, more refined if you will. If you plan on using it as a way to jump to the Signature Series than thats not a bad plan. Its a great center, just realize it will be a little different sounding (but obviously much better than the CC450). Ask your dealer if he will let you audition it at home and see how you like it.

Is the C3 by itself a better center than the CC690, even though the CC690 has two more drivers?

Is the C3 by itself a better center than the CC690, even though the CC690 has two more drivers?

depends on what you mean.

Technically the CC690 specs out better than the C3, but the drivers are of a more sophisticated design in the C3.

The CC690 is more of a timbre match than the C3 to your Studio 60's so it could blend a bit better and thus sound better to you.

I have a pair of Paradigm Studio 60 V2 and recently I visited my local dealer and saw he has a Signature C3 for sale at half price, cheaper than Audiogon prices.

I'm wondering would this, the C3, would be a good match with my 60s. Normally, you shouldn't but maybe I can more up to the Signature line down the road with the C3.

Reason I'm looking for a Center is I find that my CC450 sounds a littel thin so I"m looking for a bigger center.

Another option would be the CC690 which is about $150 more expensive than the C3. What do you think?

I guess it depends on whether you want to upgrade (at some point) to the Signature line or to the Studio line. There's a pretty big price difference whether you're looking at new or used, so I'd figure that out and let that decision guide your CC purchase. BTW, I have the CC-690 and absolutely love it. I upgraded from the CC-570 v3 and couldn't be happier.

J.

Hey all,

About 4 months ago I purchased a pair of Studio 40 V4 locally which sound amazing, but recently I'm getting a pretty nasty resonance buzz in one of the drivers. Here is a picture of the speaker:

http://www.sklep-paradigm.mavikon.pl/zencartpl/images/produkty/studio-40.jpg

It only happens in 1 of the 2 speakers. The buzz seems to be coming from the white driver and in the range of a female singer or mid range strings. The buzz gets exceedingly bad when multiple sources of this particular frequency are present (such as female singer with strings background). The sound begins to oscillate and kills the listening experience.

I have switched speakers from left to right and used a different amplifier and the results are the same. It has been powered by a 1983 Pioneer SX-9 stereo receiver with a true 125Wx2 rating. I play these speakers at immersive, but not dangerous levels so I do not believe it is due to my usage. The speakers are rated at 140W maximum input with an amplifier range of 15-180W acceptable according to the pdf.

Here is a link to a pdf for the Studio v4 series (http://www.spearitsound.com/Paradigm/Studio_v4_PDS.pdf).

Does anyone know what it could be? I plan on contacting my local dealer I purchased it from, but some idea of what it could be would be nice to have before I take it in.

Thanks!

I had both the 590 and 690. I "upgraded" to the 690 because I thought it would match my 100's better (visually and sonically). IMO, although, there was an improvement in sound quality with the two additional mids and bigger cabinet of the 690, it wasn't a substantial improvement. Since, my set-up is in a rather small space, the 590 sounded great. I think you should consider the size of your room, if its smaller go with the 590 otherwise go with the 690.

Thank you for your comments. I think I'll stick with the 590. Not sure why others were experiencing these nasal qualities as it was a couple of posters around here. Maybe a couple of bad batches.

BTW, do you have any pics of your 100's ? :)

Regards,

Hey all,

About 4 months ago I purchased a pair of Studio 40 V4 locally which sound amazing, but recently I'm getting a pretty nasty resonance buzz in one of the drivers.
It only happens in 1 of the 2 speakers. The buzz seems to be coming from the white driver and in the range of a female singer or mid range strings. The buzz gets exceedingly bad when multiple sources of this particular frequency are present (such as female singer with strings background). The sound begins to oscillate and kills the listening experience.

I have switched speakers from left to right and used a different amplifier and the results are the same. It has been powered by a 1983 Pioneer SX-9 stereo receiver with a true 125Wx2 rating. I play these speakers at immersive, but not dangerous levels so I do not believe it is due to my usage. The speakers are rated at 140W maximum input with an amplifier range of 15-180W acceptable according to the pdf.

Does anyone know what it could be? I plan on contacting my local dealer I purchased it from, but some idea of what it could be would be nice to have before I take it in.

Thanks!

At least one driver in the offending speaker is blown. Time for a trip to the dealer or a call to Paradigm customer service if you think you can replace it on your own.

Might just have been a questionable driver in the first place........it wouldn't be the first case of less than perfect QC from Paradigm. Haven't heard much lately though, a while back there were quite a few instances.

I myself have Paradigm Signature S8v2's. I bought them new last year. I also have, new last year, a Bryston 14B SST that powers them. I cannot overemphasize how important having a high current amp is for these speakers, or any for that matter.

Having 4 cones for bass makes them a drain on the current, and if the amp is high current the cones will have control, definition and poise. I have tried the speakers with a Parasound HCA 2200II amp, my former reference, and it was not even close. Granted, that should be expected given the cost difference in the 14B. But to say the amp makes a huge difference is like saying there is a difference in the cut of a diamond.

I was going to buy either the S8v2 or the B+W 803D. But I was able to get a discount on the S8 when I least expected it and sonically I could not find the 803D any better especially given the cost. Moreover, the fact the Paradigm is Canadian, which I am, and the B+W English meant there was no getting around the fact there was a huge cost difference in the shipping and importing of the 803D. Not to say the B+W was bad, but had it been cheaper the choice might of been tougher.

I have no regrets. Quality is astounding and would heartedly recommend it anytime. I am a strict 2 channel listener and find the sound, detail and resolution superb.


Noseman

The Bryston 14B SST puts out 600W at 8 ohms (per channel). Wouldn't this be overkill and possibly cause damage to those S8's? The recommended/suitable amplifer range max is 500W.

I just purchased a used pair of S8's (v1), Anthem P2. Still waiting on an Anthem D2 Pre-Pro. Would this not be sufficient? From what I have reasearched, it seems this combination sounds glorious.

Noseman

The Bryston 14B SST puts out 600W at 8 ohms (per channel). Wouldn't this be overkill and possibly cause damage to those S8's? The recommended/suitable amplifer range max is 500W.

I just purchased a used pair of S8's (v1), Anthem P2. Still waiting on an Anthem D2 Pre-Pro. Would this not be sufficient? From what I have reasearched, it seems this combination sounds glorious.

1st Amps do not put out a continuous amount of power.
2nd the wattage ratings for speakers ARE for continous power.

An amp powers a speaker according to what the speaker requires at any particular time. At any given number in the frequency response a speaker will have anywhere from a rather flat impedence to a large dip or peak. The lower the impedence at that frequency the greater the power will be drawn from that amp. A speakers sensitivity also plays a huge role. (Short story is that the amp will not damage the speakers because they really wont pull that much wattage continuously)

Under most listening conditions you really are only using anywhere from 5-30 watts. Under dynamic peaks in movies and music the wattage can take a huge jump and that is why we use amps because some receivers just cant handle the load and they will clip. The amp provides massive amounts of headroom so that the speaker can draw as much power as it needs without becoming strained and distorted (at least when used reasonably)

For example in a room that is 10'x15' with a speaker rated sensitivity of 95db's it will need 125 watts to drive it to a rather loud level of 110db's SPL.

For a different speaker in that room that has a sensitivity of 86db's it will require 1250 watts to reach that same SPL.

In this particular case of the S8's the Bryston is technically overkill, but rest assured he certainly will not clip that amp and will not have to worry about an amp being the weak link in his system. That amp will definately not hurt his speakers, but of course if abused it can damaged them (volume cranked beyond sanity)

Just want to welcome myself to the AV Science Forum. I did alot of reading before I joined, and have officially sold my soul to the devil. As mentioned above, I now own a pair of S8 v1's and an Anthem P2, and also looking to purchase the Anthem D2 Pre-Pro. I am a big music lover and enjoy a good piece of film occasionally.
I decided to take the plunge into this game after realizing we are nearing the death of 2 channel Audio, with Blu-ray, and other formats matching, or possibly surpassing the reproductions played on vinyl. I am not a big fan of all the hassles involved with going vinyl, since my time is limited. Multichannel music is the future and has reached levels high enough to lure me into the bottomless pit. Unfortunately this means I have to spend some money on surround speakers equivalent to my mains to get the quality I desire. All this of course, without breaking the bank.
Since this is the Paradigm owners thread, I would sincerely appreciate the professional (and unprofessional) opinions of everyone here. With the upcoming release of the V3 signatures, I thought it would be a great time to snatch up some matching V1's (gently used) for my 7.1 channel sound room project. While searching for speakers, I realized that I could possibly afford to do something sort of unconventional, which may just sound marvelous. Please feel free to critique.

Here is my plan for a 20' x 15' basement (future) sound room:

Anthem D2 Pre-Pro
Anthem P5
Anthem P2
Signature S8's (fronts)
Signature C5 (center)
Signature S4's (L+R surrounds)(wall mounted)
Signature S4's (Rear surrounds)(wall mounted)
1 Signature Servo Subwoofer (possibly 2)




Room sizes are somewhat flexible. May also consider downgrading Anthem P5 to the A5, and also the C5 center to C3 along with the lower powered amp.

1st Amps do not put out a continuous amount of power.
2nd the wattage ratings for speakers ARE for continous power.

An amp powers a speaker according to what the speaker requires at any particular time. At any given number in the frequency response a speaker will have anywhere from a rather flat impedence to a large dip or peak. The lower the impedence at that frequency the greater the power will be drawn from that amp. A speakers sensitivity also plays a huge role. (Short story is that the amp will not damage the speakers because they really wont pull that much wattage continuously)

Under most listening conditions you really are only using anywhere from 5-30 watts. Under dynamic peaks in movies and music the wattage can take a huge jump and that is why we use amps because some receivers just cant handle the load and they will clip. The amp provides massive amounts of headroom so that the speaker can draw as much power as it needs without becoming strained and distorted (at least when used reasonably)

For example in a room that is 10'x15' with a speaker rated sensitivity of 95db's it will need 125 watts to drive it to a rather loud level of 110db's SPL.

For a different speaker in that room that has a sensitivity of 86db's it will require 1250 watts to reach that same SPL.

In this particular case of the S8's the Bryston is technically overkill, but rest assured he certainly will not clip that amp and will not have to worry about an amp being the weak link in his system. That amp will definately not hurt his speakers, but of course if abused it can damaged them (volume cranked beyond sanity)

Great reply, however I wouldn't call 600W's overkill. My mains are Studio 100's (v.5) rated at 230W as I recall and I'd love to have that much amplifier headroom for my 100's. Better to have more power than you'll ever use than overdriving (clipping) a smaller amp.

It would be nice to have that setup


Brian

So has anyone bought Studio 60 or 100's recently ? Please post pics. Thanks.

Regards,

What exactly are you looking for pics of? I'm happy to snap some of my 100's and 690 and ADP's, but they'll likely look just like everybody else's...

J.

So has anyone bought Studio 60 or 100's recently ? Please post pics. Thanks.

Regards,

Here's one looking up at 100 in Black..

http://images.blu-ray.com/htgallery/18775_full.jpg

and the feet with spikeshttp://images.blu-ray.com/htgallery/18764_full.jpg

I have a paradigm set up and my rears are svs with a sensitivity of only 85 or 86 (forget the exacts), my amp is only 120-130w. Will this large sensitivity difference be a major problem?

I have a paradigm set up and my rears are svs with a sensitivity of only 85 or 86 (forget the exacts), my amp is only 120-130w. Will this large sensitivity difference be a major problem?

No, because people do this thing called calibration, whereby the speaker levels are calibrated to produce the same volume.

This can be done manually by using the AVR's or pre/pro's internal test tones and an SPL meter. Audyssey or some other auto set-up scheme could also be used in lieu of the manual method.

Thanks for the pics DLS ! Looks really nice in black ash.

Jason, I guess the reason why I'm asking for pictures is because I've ordered my Studio 100's in rosenut and I'm just really excited about my purchase. It will be my first Paradigm purchase as well.

Any chance to see them in any finish is just easing the wait for me. I'm upgrading from the Jamo C80 range of speakers.

Regards,

Hey all,

About 4 months ago I purchased a pair of Studio 40 V4 locally which sound amazing, but recently I'm getting a pretty nasty resonance buzz in one of the drivers. Here is a picture of the speaker:

http://www.sklep-paradigm.mavikon.pl/zencartpl/images/produkty/studio-40.jpg



I'm thinking it has something to do with all of those blue lines coming out of the speaker.

DLS, do you have another pic with the grills on ? BTW, what amp are you using to power the speakers with ?

Regards,

DLS, do you have another pic with the grills on ? BTW, what amp are you using to power the speakers with ?

Regards,

I have more pics in my gallery here (http://www.blu-ray.com/community/gallery.php?member=DLS_222&folderid=1676#) but only one or two with the grills on. I'm using a Marantz SR8002 to power my surrounds and an Emotiva XPA-3 for the 100's and CC-690.

Hi folks. A local dealer is having an excellent sale on Paradigm speakers starting this afternoon, I'm hoping you can help me out with some buying advice.

I currently have the following Paradigm system:

- Monitor 5 L&R (wall-mounted)
- CC-370 center
- ADP-370 surrounds
- PS-1000 sub

The system is 5 years old. It's used strictly for home theater purposes (i.e., no music listening). The AVR is more recent, a Pioneer SC-07. I'm considering upgrading the center and the fronts.

Due to space limitations, I can't go beyond a CC-290 for the center. Would this represent a significant and worthwhile improvement relative to the existing CC-370? The main thing I'm looking for in upgrading the center is improved dialogue - it can be a challenge to pick out the dialogue clearly in some situations with the CC-370. The CC-490 could also be an option, but I'm not sure the dealer carries it.

I need to stick with wall-mounted L&R, and wonder whether the Millenia 20 would be a good choice, and a major improvement over the Monitor 5. Are there any other on-wall models I should be considering?

The sub will also need upgrading someday, but isn't a priority at the moment. Any thoughts on replacing the PS-1000, for future reference?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

My local dealer called today. My Studio 10s just arrived and I'll be picking them up after work. Yea!!

My local dealer called today. My Studio 10s just arrived and I'll be picking them up after work. Yea!!

Let me know how they sound, I may be picking a pair up soon!

No, because people do this thing called calibration, whereby the speaker levels are calibrated to produce the same volume.

This can be done manually by using the AVR's or pre/pro's internal test tones and an SPL meter. Audyssey or some other auto set-up scheme could also be used in lieu of the manual method.

No need for the sarcastic opening... I mean because at peak spl the receiver will not have the headroom for the less sensitive rears and may clip them

Hi folks. A local dealer is having an excellent sale on Paradigm speakers starting this afternoon, I'm hoping you can help me out with some buying advice.

I currently have the following Paradigm system:

- Monitor 5 L&R (wall-mounted)
- CC-370 center
- ADP-370 surrounds
- PS-1000 sub

The system is 5 years old. It's used strictly for home theater purposes (i.e., no music listening). The AVR is more recent, a Pioneer SC-07. I'm considering upgrading the center and the fronts.

Due to space limitations, I can't go beyond a CC-290 for the center. Would this represent a significant and worthwhile improvement relative to the existing CC-370? The main thing I'm looking for in upgrading the center is improved dialogue - it can be a challenge to pick out the dialogue clearly in some situations with the CC-370. The CC-490 could also be an option, but I'm not sure the dealer carries it.

I need to stick with wall-mounted L&R, and wonder whether the Millenia 20 would be a good choice, and a major improvement over the Monitor 5. Are there any other on-wall models I should be considering?

The sub will also need upgrading someday, but isn't a priority at the moment. Any thoughts on replacing the PS-1000, for future reference?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions!

The cc 290 would definitely be an improvement over the cc 370 as it is a 3 way design. I have the 290 with Titans up front and am very pleased with the sound, especially for what I paid for them. The cc 290 is not a timbre match for the millenias though so panning may not sound correct. I would just use another millenia 20 for a center.How about studio 10's and the cc 490, or sudio esprits? What is your budget?

I just added a pair of v3 Monitor 7s to my setup. The speakers themselves seem to be perfect condition but the grills have some slight damage where the plastic the grill material has broken.
I am looking for two replacement grills for Monitor 7s and also one for a Mini-Monitor v4.

Does anyone have any recommendations or idea what this may cost?

Thanks!

Let me know how they sound, I may be picking a pair up soon!

Don't judge about their quality right after you opened the box. I got my Studio 20s for over a month now and for sure they sound much better than the first two weeks. Now I feel I don't need a center anymore. (I use them as 2.0 setup with Marantz Amp - currently ZR-6001 moving to SR-5004)

And it is impossible to go back to TV speakers after listening to these for a while. The funny thing is they blended into our living room so well that neither my wife or I can tell if they never existed. The sound is so natural you even don't notice them like they always were here.

I just added a pair of v3 Monitor 7s to my setup. The speakers themselves seem to be perfect condition but the grills have some slight damage where the plastic the grill material has broken.
I am looking for two replacement grills for Monitor 7s and also one for a Mini-Monitor v4.

Does anyone have any recommendations or idea what this may cost?

Thanks!

Just give Paradigm customer service a call and ask to speak with Gary Takeda. He'll take good care of you...

J.

No need for the sarcastic opening... I mean because at peak spl the receiver will not have the headroom for the less sensitive rears and may clip them
I was going to point out the same thing, but figured you'd chime in and defend your own post. There was no need for a jackass-ish response...

J.

I am considering upgrading my cc from a CC-590 v.4 to a CC-690 v.4. The L/R speakers are Studio 40s v.3. Will the 690 be too much for the Studio 40s? I know that the 690 would go great with the Studio 100s or even the 60s, but I need to run bookshelf L/R speakers. The 590 certainly is more manageable width-wize, but I might be able to squeeze the 690 in. Would the 690 add depth and warmth w/o overshadowing the Studio 40s. I am running a Servo 15 v2 sub and the speakers would run off of an Integra 7.8 receiver in 5.1 mode. The rears are in-ceiling Paradigms. Listening is 85% HT 15% music.

Thanks,

Lew

Just give Paradigm customer service a call and ask to speak with Gary Takeda. He'll take good care of you...

J.



Thank you very much! I plan on doing that now!

They're probably not open now...:)

J.

I am considering upgrading my cc from a CC-590 v.4 to a CC-690 v.4. The L/R speakers are Studio 40s v.3. Will the 690 be too much for the Studio 40s? I know that the 690 would go great with the Studio 100s or even the 60s, but I need to run bookshelf L/R speakers. The 590 certainly is more manageable width-wize, but I might be able to squeeze the 690 in. Would the 690 add depth and warmth w/o overshadowing the Studio 40s. I am running a Servo 15 v2 sub and the speakers would run off of an Integra 7.8 receiver in 5.1 mode. The rears are in-ceiling Paradigms. Listening is 85% HT 15% music.

Thanks,

Lew

If space constraints and budget permit the 690, you would be insane not to go for the 690. I've not heard the v5 5-series CC, but I was quite underwhelmed with my v3 CC-570 matched up with my v3 100s. The 690 is a beast and is so clear and concise and capable. I had to save for a few months to get the new v5 690 but I'm so glad that I did and it is a dynamo with my v5 100s and I'm sure that it would be equally impressive with the v3 40s and if you ever decided to upgrade (even to the v5 20s) you wouldn't miss a step. Why not see if your dealer offers a brief in-home audition period just in case.

Good luck,

J.

I was putting together my 2nd theatre room multipurpose room / bar and pool table room. Pics are posted in one of previous messages.

I was getting a great deal on Millennia 20's
on the front L/R and centre.

millennia adp is the matching surround for them according to the website.However I was getting a smoking deal on the ADP 590 would these 590 be to good for my front / left and centre is timbre matching for the rears and fronts an issue. Are adp 590's dipole like the millennia I hate to lose this deal but I wouldnt want my speakers not too match. Or is matching between the fronts and rears not important.


Im buying them tomorrow..Hope I get a quick response.

F/L/R all millennia 20's

Rears : Millennia ADP or the ADP 590

I could try!
Hehehe... I'll wait.

While I'm doing that, I would like to get some opinions on what I could do from here with my setup.
It has evolved from Monitors 5s, cc370, Mini Monitors, PDR10 to the following:
Monitor 11 V4 (L&R Fronts)
CC-370 V4 (Center)
Monitor 7 v3 (L&R Side Surrounds)
Mini-Monitor v4 (L&R Rear Surrounds)
PS1000 V3.

I run all of this with a Denon 2309ci (AVR889).

I feel that my center and possibly the subwoofer are the weak-points in this setup.

Are there any recommendations on what I should look to upgrade next?

I will keep my eye out on any great Craigslist deals for the Studio series, but once I get there I feel I will need to start looking at seperate amps to take advantage of the speakers potential.

Let me know how they sound, I may be picking a pair up soon!


Ok I will. I'll also get some run in time on them and repost, but out of the box fantastic. Hear is my out of the box review:

I hooked them up and put in Rubber Soul Remastered. Yea the Beatles are the best band ever, but not necessarily the best speaker test ever. I dug out Traffic's Low Spark of High Heeled Boys. The title cut is a great test of a speaker from its very low, not booming, but rythmic bass, to the piano and organ segments with the jazz style cymbal percussion, and Winwood's somewhat raspy voice. The song is a great test of a speaker having a broad dynamic range. I was floored. The speakers aren't even broke in and at low to moderate volume the bass response was fantastic and the highs just superb. The whole range was just - I'm speechless. It was like I never really heard the song before. It made me want to go into the attic and dig out my old turntable and find the somewhat scratched album and play it, but that was another era, I'll wait for the Oppo to arrive and get it on SACD or DVD-A.

We went round and round on speaker and system selection. We almost pulled the trigger on polk tsi floor standers with a center channel and surrounds for our entertainment center. Cabinet selection and space limitations took floors out of the running, so I started looking at high quality bookshelf speakers that could sit next to the TV on top of the stand. My wife has a preference for two channel stereo for listening to music and our living room is not ameanable to mounting for surround sound anyway so we went for high qual 2 channel and are not disappointed. I bought them without an audition and just had my local dealer order them based on the following review:

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/paradigm_studio10_v5.htm

I'll post further updates when they break in, but out of the box they were really good. If space is a consideration and you desire real good 2 channel stereo, the studio 10s can really fit the bill. I have no doubt they'd make an excellent surround speaker for a higher end surround system based on studio floors in the front, but that would almost never let them experience their real potential, great 2 channel stereo music.

I was going to point out the same thing, but figured you'd chime in and defend your own post. There was no need for a jackass-ish response...

J.

Not jackass-ish at all. I don't see the problem.

1) They should be set to small

2) The rears almost always require less power

3) If the rears are clipping, then the fronts would most likely also be clipping

If he has a clipping problem, then he needs a more powerful receiver or an outboard amplifier. He wouldn't be the first person with speakers of different sensitivity levels.

Sorry if it was taken as mean spirited. It was the kind of question you expect from someone who just got done talking to a box store salesmen, not someone who has over 900 posts here.

The cc 290 would definitely be an improvement over the cc 370 as it is a 3 way design. I have the 290 with Titans up front and am very pleased with the sound, especially for what I paid for them. The cc 290 is not a timbre match for the millenias though so panning may not sound correct. I would just use another millenia 20 for a center.How about studio 10's and the cc 490, or sudio esprits? What is your budget?

Thanks for the input. After lining up to get in to the store and talking to various manufacturer reps for about an hour, I ended up doing... NOTHING! The Paradigms were on for just 20% off - not really a screaming deal, so I decided I'd just wait and do some more research before pulling the trigger.

I would definitely consider the 490, and would like to upgrade beyond the Millenia. Unfortunately, the dealer having the sale is a B&M that doesn't carry the Studio or Signature series.

One of my problems is that the HT room is set up for on-walls at the front L&R. The house was configured that way when we bought it, and since there were already holes in the walls with speaker wire sticking out of them, I took the path of least resistance and installed on-walls. Maybe I need to revisit this, because sticking with on-walls limits my speaker options and impairs sonic performance - especially since the L/R fronts are a couple of feet further apart than they really should be for the room's geometry and seating postion. On the other hand, the on-walls make for a very clean-looking install, and I'm not too keen re-routing the wiring, filling the holes and repainting!

It looks like I should check out the Studio Esprit line to see how it would fit in. Thanks for pointing this out, I wasn't aware that Paradigm had a wall-mount speaker in the Studio series.

At least the afternoon wasn't a total loss, as I ended up dragging home a Pioneer BDP-23FD for under $400 Cdn!

where did you get the pio blu ray for under $400

Ok I will. I'll also get some run in time on them and repost, but out of the box fantastic.

Thanks for the quick response, I'll be looking forward to your thoughts after they break-in!

where did you get the pio blu ray for under $400

At Soundsaround, here in Calgary. This sale is open to the public for 12 hours today, but lots of stuff went out the door during yesterday afternoon's VIP sale. It was 398 loonies (about $365 US). Once in awhile we get some good deals here in the Great White North, and as a bonus, Pioneer's Elite series is covered by a 3-year warranty in Canada (which is great, provided the company survives that long...).

Hey guys. I've tried researching and come up with very little, but anyone have any experience with the monitor 9's? this is my first home setup so im on a tight budget. getting the pair for $700 at a local dealer.

Thanks for the quick response, I'll be looking forward to your thoughts after they break-in!


A quick response was not a problem... I had the speakers hooked up and running 15 minutes after I got them home. :)

Thanks for the input. After lining up to get in to the store and talking to various manufacturer reps for about an hour, I ended up doing... NOTHING! The Paradigms were on for just 20% off - not really a screaming deal, so I decided I'd just wait and do some more research before pulling the trigger.

I would definitely consider the 490, and would like to upgrade beyond the Millenia. Unfortunately, the dealer having the sale is a B&M that doesn't carry the Studio or Signature series.

One of my problems is that the HT room is set up for on-walls at the front L&R. The house was configured that way when we bought it, and since there were already holes in the walls with speaker wire sticking out of them, I took the path of least resistance and installed on-walls. Maybe I need to revisit this, because sticking with on-walls limits my speaker options and impairs sonic performance - especially since the L/R fronts are a couple of feet further apart than they really should be for the room's geometry and seating postion. On the other hand, the on-walls make for a very clean-looking install, and I'm not too keen re-routing the wiring, filling the holes and repainting!

It looks like I should check out the Studio Esprit line to see how it would fit in. Thanks for pointing this out, I wasn't aware that Paradigm had a wall-mount speaker in the Studio series.

At least the afternoon wasn't a total loss, as I ended up dragging home a Pioneer BDP-23FD for under $400 Cdn!

I have not heard the esprits in person, but heard that they are good for an on wall. You could always use the studio 10's with wall brackets as well. My next step will definitely be into the studio line.

has anyone paired a set of Monitor 7's for fronts with a Cinema 330 for center, any thoughts?

I found a posting about 2009's MSRP having Canada and US prices, is this accurate or are people seeing the Canadian prices in the US?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1905665&postcount=91

I found a posting about 2009's MSRP having Canada and US prices, is this accurate or are people seeing the Canadian prices in the US?

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1905665&postcount=91

Well the canadian msrp is correct, not that anyone should pay msrp :P

bump for opinions on monitor 9s

I'm considering purchasing an Anthem MCA 3 amplifier for my F/L/R speakers.

I currently have Monitor 11s and CC370.

Does anyone have any recommendations or comments?

If I was to upgrade in the future to the Studio series, likely Studio 40 or 100 for my front, how would this amp do with these also?

Would I notice a big sound difference using an amp like this instead of my Denon AVR889 when watching movies?

Thanks!

Hey guys. I've tried researching and come up with very little, but anyone have any experience with the monitor 9's? this is my first home setup so im on a tight budget. getting the pair for $700 at a local dealer.

bump for opinions on monitor 9s

I had a pair of Monitor 9 v5 prior to getting a set of Studio 100s v4. The 9s are a great speaker for the money. Definitely the most bang for your buck out there. IMHO. ;)

I have a chance to purchase a pair of S6 or S8's which are both on sale right now. Only thing is, the S8's are only $500 more than the S6's with the sale on each. This makes me lean towards the S8's, but they are significantly larger than the S6's. The size of the S6 is much more suited to the room they will be going in. I hate to pass up such a great deal on the S8's though. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to audition these side by side? Will I be losing much by going with the S6 over the S8? I do run a Velodyne DD15 sub as well, so if I will just be losing a bit of bottom end, I can make that up with my sub.

These will be integrated into a HT setup, but I do listen to a great deal of 2 channel music also.

I am running an Anthem AVM50 pre/pro amd they will be powered by a Simaudio W5.

Thanks

It sounds like you have answered your own question. If the room the speakers will be in is more condusive to the S6, why bother beating yourself over the head for the larger and more expensive S8?

bump for opinions on monitor 9s

When I went for Paradigm 1.5 months ago, I went for Monitor 7 and I auditioned Monitor 7, 9, 11, Studio 60 v4, 20 v5, 10 v5, 60 v5 and Signature S4.

To be honest, I preferred Studio 10 sound over all the Monitor line. The tweeter in studio series is much better and sound came out of it really amazing. You could hear all the tunes in the music separately specially higher frequencies but in Monitor series it was not that separate from each other.

BTW it depends on personal preference for the sound quality, so you need to audition all of them yourself and decide. I went for Studio 20s and they cost me about $1100 with the cheap S-26 stand. But Studio 10s are $400 cheaper in list price. ($1200 vs. $800)

Lastly you cannot go wrong with Paradigm, any model you choose are the best for the money you can get.

Lastly you cannot go wrong with Paradigm, any model you choose are the best for the money you can get.

I don't think I'd go that far...that's a pretty silly claim.

J.

I'm considering purchasing an Anthem MCA 3 amplifier for my F/L/R speakers.

If I was to upgrade in the future to the Studio series, likely Studio 40 or 100 for my front, how would this amp do with these also?
The Anthem will provide plenty of power for the Studios. I've had my MCA-20 with v3 Studio 100s and now with my v5 Studio 100s. Ideally, I'd love something a bit more high-end, like another Parasound Halo or similar, but the Anthem has what it takes.

J.

Ideally, I'd love something a bit more high-end, like another Parasound Halo or similar, but the Anthem has what it takes.

Why would you want something more high-end for the Studio v5 range ?

Regards,

I have a chance to purchase a pair of S6 or S8's which are both on sale right now. Only thing is, the S8's are only $500 more than the S6's with the sale on each. This makes me lean towards the S8's, but they are significantly larger than the S6's. The size of the S6 is much more suited to the room they will be going in. I hate to pass up such a great deal on the S8's though. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to audition these side by side? Will I be losing much by going with the S6 over the S8? I do run a Velodyne DD15 sub as well, so if I will just be losing a bit of bottom end, I can make that up with my sub.

These will be integrated into a HT setup, but I do listen to a great deal of 2 channel music also.

I am running an Anthem AVM50 pre/pro amd they will be powered by a Simaudio W5.

Thanks

Get the 8's. You will always be second guessing if you don't. They will sound amazing in any space.

I don't think I'd go that far...that's a pretty silly claim.

J.

Of course, it is not as rational as comparing Piano Black finish and Black woodgrain of the same speaker as Ferrari Scaglietti and Honda Civic. Sorry pal but silly is a relative term.

The Anthem will provide plenty of power for the Studios. I've had my MCA-20 with v3 Studio 100s and now with my v5 Studio 100s. Ideally, I'd love something a bit more high-end, like another Parasound Halo or similar, but the Anthem has what it takes.

J.

Thanks! Any comments on the difference I should notice with the
v4 Monitor 11s and v4 CC370 with the MCA-3 compared to the Denon AVR889?

Thanks again!

it is a dynamo with my v5 100s and I'm sure that it would be equally impressive with the v3 40s

I'm running 40s for L/R with a 690, and 20s for surrounds (all v4). I have no complaints whatsoever. The 40s and the 690 play very well together.