Why would you want something more high-end for the Studio v5 range ?

Regards,
I have a Parasound Halo A21 with my Dali Euphonias and love it. I haven't A/B'd it with the Anthem, but it specs better and sounds incredible and is a beautiful refined piece of machinery. I wouldn't mind picking up a second one.

J.

Of course, it is not as rational as comparing Piano Black finish and Black woodgrain of the same speaker as Ferrari Scaglietti and Honda Civic. Sorry pal but silly is a relative term.

To claim that "any Paradigm speaker is the best for the money that you can get" is a ridiculous claim. How's that for relative...? Apparently "silly" isn't clear enough for you.

I'm just sayin'...:p

J.

To claim that "any Paradigm speaker is the best for the money that you can get" is a ridiculous claim. How's that for relative...? Apparently "silly" isn't clear enough for you.

I'm just sayin'...:p

J.

I think based on Paradigm build quality, sound quality and material they are using and the fact that all drivers are made in Canada and not a factory in China, they are the best you can get for your money.

You are always "just sayin'". Unfortunately I don't use this forum as psychology treatments or showing my ego and I prefer to answer someone question instead of continuing “silly” conversations. You can always send me private message and we can go on and on. Just because you have paid the membership fee doesn't mean you can, and have the license to be rude to anybody. Beside you pay premium to be able to sell stuff to other people remember! JUST SAYIN' !

Please...I'm not being rude and it has nothing to do with anybody's ego when I simply call you out on your claim that Paradigm is the best you can get with your money. I've owned, and continue to own, numerous pairs of Paradigm speakers and I've always been fairly pleased with them...especially those in the Studio line. However, I'd never claim that they were the best...that's just fanboy-speak (whose ego is being stroked?).

And the AVS Club Member status simply gives me the ability to buy and sell in the marketplace ad nauseum...it's not really a club, it's a fee to be able to place ads.

The "I'm just sayin' " was supposed to be funny and actually lighten the back and forth, but was clearly misguided. My apologies.

J.

Jason, I don't think you need to appologize here... you are spot on with your remarks, whether or not Lost chooses to recognize that Paradigms are not the best speakers you can buy for the money...

As you know, I own 2 sets... Full Studio setup and Sigs as well... I obviously really like them, but there are lots and lots of speakers out there that will give them a run for their money in terms of SQ... I really have followed their product because they perform and sound very well, and look great - Sigs and studio's .v5.. as well as the fact they offer quite a bit of flexibility in their lines to produce a product that will fit many different applications in the same matching line... not alot of companies offer that to the customer.

I will be looking to replace my studio's with Sigs in the very near future here - not sure if I will be going with the new .v3 Sigs or .v2 Sigs, but I do love the SQ of them, and lets not forget the sexy looks of the slim very well veneered cabinetry... Def appealing to my eyes...

But before that happens - I got to get my LMS's up and running !!!! :)

I'm still trying to get my Maelstroms up and running (if you can believe it). I brought them home right around the same time as our daughter was born and she's just over 6 months old, which means that I need to get off my ass and get them up and running. I ran into some problems with my SMS-1 and EP2500, so I'll be back to the DIY forums looking for guidance. Thanks for the chime in and I look forward to what you end up with...your gear is always candy for the eyes!

J.

As you know, I own 2 sets... Full Studio setup and Sigs as well... I obviously really like them, but there are lots and lots of speakers out there that will give them a run for their money in terms of SQ...

I'm curious, what speakers can outperform them (the Studio range) at a similar cost ? Not trying to get into any arguments but I'm just interested to know what speakers you think are better.

Regards,

I have a Parasound Halo A21 with my Dali Euphonias and love it. I haven't A/B'd it with the Anthem, but it specs better and sounds incredible and is a beautiful refined piece of machinery. I wouldn't mind picking up a second one.

Fair enough. The A21 is a very good power amp. But besides the extra power would one actually hear a noticeable difference between the Anthem and the Parasound ? Perhaps you should do an A/B comparison using the Parasound with the Studio's one day to hear the results.

I'm going to use a lowly Onkyo 876 receiver to power my Studio 100 v5's for now but I'm hoping to get the Emotiva XPA-3 later. I really would be interested to hear from members who have switched from using receivers to dedicated power amps for the 100's if there were any big noticeable changes in sound.

Regards,

Hi all

I currently have the NHT super twos and super center in my HT. I saw a great deal at 6ave. electronics for the Paradigm Phantom v.3 towers. I was wondering how they would compare with my super twos. Anyone out there have the cc-270 v.3 centers? I am quite happy with my NHT setup, but always looking to upgrade, especially when good deals come my way:D Reviews on the net are quite positive for the Phantom v.3 setup.

Please...I'm not being rude and it has nothing to do with anybody's ego when I simply call you out on your claim that Paradigm is the best you can get with your money. I've owned, and continue to own, numerous pairs of Paradigm speakers and I've always been fairly pleased with them...especially those in the Studio line. However, I'd never claim that they were the best...that's just fanboy-speak (whose ego is being stroked?).

The "I'm just sayin' " was supposed to be funny and actually lighten the back and forth, but was clearly misguided. My apologies.

J.

Perhaps the whole heat started by the previous conversation about finishes and your exaggerations. My apologies too.

Jason, I don't think you need to appologize here...

I have read most of your posts in this forum and I have some kind of respect for you. I did not want any apology. I just simply believe people should be free to discuss their ideas without being attacked by "silly" kind of words or other sarcastic fraises.

If you simply think somebody is wrong, why not lighting the whole thing up by adding references and not just using those kind of words. In this particular conversation, some may be kind enough to put some names on the table that these are better than Paradigms with these prices and these reasons. Then we all can learn something, aren't you agree?

Perhaps the whole heat started by the previous conversation about finishes and your exaggerations. My apologies too.



I have read most of your posts in this forum and I have some kind of respect for you. I did not want any apology. I just simply believe people should be free to discuss their ideas without being attacked by "silly" kind of words or other sarcastic fraises.

If you simply think somebody is wrong, why not lighting the whole thing up by adding references and not just using those kind of words. In this particular conversation, some may be kind enough to put some names on the table that these are better than Paradigms with these prices and these reasons. Then we all can learn something, aren't you agree?


dang, i feel as i started all this askin about monitor 9s lol. i was at a toss up b/t the 9s and some klipsch rf-52s. think i got my mind made up for the monitor 9s. wise choice it seems from some of the responses :confused:

Fair enough. The A21 is a very good power amp. But besides the extra power would one actually hear a noticeable difference between the Anthem and the Parasound ? Perhaps you should do an A/B comparison using the Parasound with the Studio's one day to hear the results.
I will certainly do that before dropping $1.5K on the Parasound. I'm curious to see the results myself. I clearly prefer the aesthetics and build of the Halo but if the difference is insignificant, I'll obviously stick with the Anthem.

J.

Over at Audioholics a member was absolutely disgusted with the performance of the Studio 100's. Citing it as one of the worst designed speakers available.

Different strokes for different folks. Still, I was very surprised by his comments given that many people have been thrilled with the Studio's comparing them to much more expensive speakers. He was comparing the speakers to the B&W 803(S).

Anyway, his critique won't influence my decision. Can't wait for my pair of Studio 100's. :D I have never heard the B&W 803's before so I wonder if anyone has an opinion on them versus the 100's.

Regards,

Please...I'm not being rude and it has nothing to do with anybody's ego when I simply call you out on your claim that Paradigm is the best you can get with your money. I've owned, and continue to own, numerous pairs of Paradigm speakers and I've always been fairly pleased with them...especially those in the Studio line. However, I'd never claim that they were the best...that's just fanboy-speak (whose ego is being stroked?).

And the AVS Club Member status simply gives me the ability to buy and sell in the marketplace ad nauseum...it's not really a club, it's a fee to be able to place ads.

The "I'm just sayin' " was supposed to be funny and actually lighten the back and forth, but was clearly misguided. My apologies.

J.

Jason, I don't think you need to appologize here... you are spot on with your remarks, whether or not Lost chooses to recognize that Paradigms are not the best speakers you can buy for the money...

As you know, I own 2 sets... Full Studio setup and Sigs as well... I obviously really like them, but there are lots and lots of speakers out there that will give them a run for their money in terms of SQ... I really have followed their product because they perform and sound very well, and look great - Sigs and studio's .v5.. as well as the fact they offer quite a bit of flexibility in their lines to produce a product that will fit many different applications in the same matching line... not alot of companies offer that to the customer.

I will be looking to replace my studio's with Sigs in the very near future here - not sure if I will be going with the new .v3 Sigs or .v2 Sigs, but I do love the SQ of them, and lets not forget the sexy looks of the slim very well veneered cabinetry... Def appealing to my eyes...

But before that happens - I got to get my LMS's up and running !!!! :)

What is going on her guys? :confused:

Lost made a comment that, at least the way I took it, was pointing out the fact that Paradigm speakers give you a good bang for the buck. Which is exactly what I said a few posts ago. He didn't say they were the best, he said they were the best for the money.

You can spend more and get better speakers and sometimes you can spend more and get lesser speakers. But it would be difficult to spend less and get better speakers.

IMHO of course. ;)

Maybe I took it the wrong way though.

What is going on her guys? :confused:

Lost made a comment that, at least the way I took it, was pointing out the fact that Paradigm speakers give you a good bang for the buck. Which is exactly what I said a few posts ago. He didn't say they were the best, he said they were the best for the money.

You can spend more and get better speakers and sometimes you can spend more and get lesser speakers. But it would be difficult to spend less and get better speakers.

IMHO of course. ;)

Maybe I took it the wrong way though.

To claim that Paradigm makes a good bang-for-the-buck speaker is absolutely true...I've owned about 12-15 pairs over the past 15 or so years. To say that "you cannot go wrong with Paradigm, any model you choose are the best for the money you can get" is a bit extreme. I'll move along now...

J.

To claim that Paradigm makes a good bang-for-the-buck speaker is absolutely true...I've owned about 12-15 pairs over the past 15 or so years. To say that "you cannot go wrong with Paradigm, any model you choose are the best for the money you can get" is a bit extreme. I'll move along now...

J.

I don't see it. Those comments are basically saying the same thing. There are better speakers than Paradigm, but they usually come at a higher cost.

Oh well.

Oops... I always thought my Denon AVR889 (http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/4538.asp) had pre-outs for all speakers.
I'm looking and apparently it does not.

Does this completely throw out the possibility of using this receiver with an external 3-channel amp for my front three speakers?

Thanks

SO! I'm looking now into beginning my home theatre purchases. And, boy, I'm happy! I'm slowly talking the wife into it and I think she's starting to cave. I've been a pretty big Klipsch man in the past, but I'm more than more than open to suggestions.

I previously opened a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1181124) with pictures of my space and asked for suggestions on placement, models, ideas, etc. I was told that the Paradigm Monitor series is great and that I should definitely look into them, so I am!

I was previously looking into some used RF-52s or RF-62s from Klipsch, which run anywhere from $500-800 per pair. So, could I get some floorstanders from Paradigm that are relatively the same price with the same, or better, quality? (Subjective answers, as well as objective, are always welcomed!)

I don't see it. Those comments are basically saying the same thing. There are better speakers than Paradigm, but they usually come at a higher cost.

Oh well.

There are many companies with just as good of speakers as Paradigm. Most of them are not as widely distributed though and therefore they arent seen by the masses.

I love paradigm speakers, but i agree with the other guys that there are just as many other companies in the same price range that make just as good of a speaker. Everyone has different likes and dislikes in speakers, some prefer B&W some prefer Paradigm and some prefer Klipsch (just to name a few big distribution names).

IF you want an example of what some people prefer over Paradigm for much less money AV123 Rocket speakers come to mind. MAny many people have preferred the Rocket RS850's over the Studio 100's. (I've personally heard both and they are both great in their own ways). The 850's can be purchased as low as $1100. I'd say thats A LOT better bang for the buck.

BUT different strokes for different folks, It just comes down to ones personal taste.

I don't see it. Those comments are basically saying the same thing. There are better speakers than Paradigm, but they usually come at a higher cost.

Oh well.

Thanks :) at least somebody agrees.

There are many companies with just as good of speakers as Paradigm. Most of them are not as widely distributed though and therefore they arent seen by the masses.

I love paradigm speakers, but i agree with the other guys that there are just as many other companies in the same price range that make just as good of a speaker. Everyone has different likes and dislikes in speakers, some prefer B&W some prefer Paradigm and some prefer Klipsch (just to name a few big distribution names).

IF you want an example of what some people prefer over Paradigm for much less money AV123 Rocket speakers come to mind. MAny many people have preferred the Rocket RS850's over the Studio 100's. (I've personally heard both and they are both great in their own ways). The 850's can be purchased as low as $1100. I'd say thats A LOT better bang for the buck.

BUT different strokes for different folks, It just comes down to ones personal taste.

When I wrote that sentence I thought about the quality of the box, driver, the material they use, where there are made and all other factors even having nice collection of stands and accessories for all budgets. So I still stand by my words, Paradigm is the best for the money based on all factors specially where it is made.

Thanks :) at least somebody agrees.



When I wrote that sentence I thought about the quality of the box, driver, the material they use, where there are made and all other factors even having nice collection of stands and accessories for all budgets. So I still stand by my words, Paradigm is the best for the money based on all factors specially where it is made.

Actually the RS850's are every bit as good of a build as say the studio series. They also have a nice collection of stands and accessories, they are also now built in the U.S...But if you want another example then here we go since you are just being stubborn now...

Salk Sound actually makes far superior speakers (As far as build quality goes), they are all hand built here is the USA, you can get custom veneers, they use top of the line drivers...should i stop there :p

but hey if you want to limit yourself go right ahead....;) No one said that paradigm did not make awesome stuff, but there is just as good of selection of speakers out on the market if not better, but they just aren't as popular/known as paradigm. Again i LOVE paradigm, but i know that there is almost limitless (well it feels like it lol) opportunities in the audio community for speaker/electronic components.

I think my Paradigm Signature S6's in Piano Black finish is the Best speaker in it's price range and better than most speakers costing twice as much...

Just sayin' :D

cheers,

I think my Paradigm Signature S6's in Piano Black finish is the Best speaker in it's price range and better than most speakers costing twice as much...

Just sayin' :D

cheers,

lol again thats just an opinion. According to price/specs the are other options available.

But i agree with you i LOVE the S6's. BTW I love your setup, i've seen pics of it in a thread right after you got your C3. Its simple, but beautiful. I love your rotel rack on the side to, its very cool. You still loving your setup? How about the C3?

Get the 8's. You will always be second guessing if you don't. They will sound amazing in any space.

Well, I ended up going with the S6's. I really believe the S8's would have been too big. I now have the S2's in front, so I'm sure the S6's should be a step up.

I'm sure you'll be thrilled with the S6's...they are terrific speakers and will be a nice bump up from your S2's. Looking forward to some pics!

J.

Actually the RS850's are every bit as good of a build as say the studio series. They also have a nice collection of stands and accessories, they are also now built in the U.S...

Sorry but I only see one finish (rosewood) in the Rocket model you mentioned. So, again Paradigm offers much more finishes!

since you are just being stubborn now....

Oh I am just warming up :)


Salk Sound actually makes far superior speakers (As far as build quality goes), they are all hand built here is the USA, you can get custom veneers, they use top of the line drivers...should i stop there :p

I checked their web site too. I do not know these speakers and I am sure they sound perfect, however, their cheapest tower speaker was $1695 and their speaker line-up is not as complete as Paradigm. So again my point about Paradigm stands still.

i know that there is almost limitless (well it feels like it lol) opportunities in the audio community for speaker/electronic components.

I did not say there isn't, I just said for the money you spend, Paradigm is the best. But if you people are that stubborn and this topic is turning into opening cans of worms and more and more begins to look like a religious debate we can just say Paradigm is among the TOP 5, for the money you spend! Maybe we all can have some kind of peace.

lol again thats just an opinion. According to price/specs the are other options available.

But i agree with you i LOVE the S6's. BTW I love your setup, i've seen pics of it in a thread right after you got your C3. Its simple, but beautiful. I love your rotel rack on the side to, its very cool. You still loving your setup? How about the C3?

I was just kidding around. :)

Your right though. Joking aside, there are Lot of very nice speakers in the price range of Paradigms. Focals,B&W, Martin Logan, Monitor Audio and the list goes on and on.

I don't have the Rotels anymore, moved up to the Classe gear. The sound is much better with Classe. I found the Rotel was little bright for me with the paradigm signature S6's. The Classe tone it down a little. Also the sound is more clear now.

The C3 turned out to be a great. It was just the right size for our room. Good thing i cancelled the order for the C5, it would have been toooo big.

Overall, very pleased with the S6's so far but those new S8 V.3 are looking really good.:D

cheers,

OK, I'll pitch in here, and I'm being serious. I picked up a set of new in box Monitor 7 v6 speakers at a B&M dealer's going out of business sale for literally $479. They are as good as I had hoped, and more. Unquestionably a better speaker than I would have imagined I'd have otherwise.

I would not have considered purchasing them at near their full MSRP though, simply because that price point would have been out of my budget.


Tim

The loyalty in this thread reminds of the gaming forums. :p

Sorry but I only see one finish (rosewood) in the Rocket model you mentioned. So, again Paradigm offers much more finishes!


Did you happen to take a look at the rest of the AV123 speakers? LOL thats like saying Paradigm only carries the Studio series...:rolleyes:

Yes the rockets NOW only come in rosewood But seriously now...that has little to do with bang for the buck lol. You should honestly be more focused on how the speaker sounds than what finish you can get it in....

Besides that point, that was just ONE example of a speaker company lol that many have compared to in the past and preferred over the Studio 100. What about Salk Sound that i pointed out to you? Hmmmm? You can get Song towers in limitless finish options...does that mean its the Ultimate speaker? HA...






I checked their web site too. I do not know these speakers and I am sure they sound perfect, however, their cheapest tower speaker was $1695 and their speaker line-up is not as complete as Paradigm. So again my point about Paradigm stands still.
Have you been into the liquor cabinet again? :p j/k.

But seriously did you really look? here let me link that for you...

http://www.**********//index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=28&category_id=19&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=37 EDIT: linky does not seem to work

The second speaker down (RS450) is there smallest tower in the Rocket line and it comes in at $799 for the pair... LOL did you just look for the highest number on the page so you could prove your point or what hahah.

And you say their speaker line is not as complete as Paradigm? What in the heck does that mean....???:confused:

Last count, AV123 has 4 speaker lines, and just a few months ago they had 6...Paradigm has what 5?? lol.

Again i dont even know why i used AV123, its the first thing that came to mind, but like someone else said..what about Monitor Audio, Focal, B&W, Klipsch...blah blah blah...All those companies have just as many lines as Paradigm, just as many finish options, and are as widely available. So according to you they must be all the best? C'mon man have an open mind...



I did not say there isn't, I just said for the money you spend, Paradigm is the best. But if you people are that stubborn and this topic is turning into opening cans of worms and more and more begins to look like a religious debate we can just say Paradigm is among the TOP 5, for the money you spend! Maybe we all can have some kind of peace.

See here is where people are disagreeing with you. In reality i dont think it is that big of a deal that you even made the statement in the first place, i mean everyone is entitled to their opinions. But you keep stating it as if nothing else applies. Heck you didnt even know who AV123 is, so how can you make such a statement when you obviously have not diversified yourself in various speaker companies?

My point is not to come down on you (even though i did...whoops:D), but its more to show you that if you have an open mind there is just sooooo many incredible values out there, just like you see Paradigm as. But if you close yourself off like that and make such fanboy comments you can miss out on A LOT of great audio experiences.

Hey Lost...how about posting your familiarity with Paradigm. What have you owned and auditioned? That might shed some light on your "stubborn" (I know, you're just getting warmed up) insistence that they are "the best" dollar-for-dollar speaker out there. And what other relevant information are you basing your opinion on?

J.

Hey Lost...how about posting your familiarity with Paradigm. What have you owned and auditioned? That might shed some light on your "stubborn" (I know, you're just getting warmed up) insistence that they are "the best" dollar-for-dollar speaker out there. And what other relevant information are you basing your opinion on?

J.

all of yall are wrong here. its clear RCA htib are the best out there over anything! RCA > .

:p

I'm sure that's what some folks are saying in the "RCA HTiB" thread...

J.

Last count, AV123 has 4 speaker lines, and just a few months ago they had 6...Paradigm has what 5?? lol.

Paradigm has about 5 fronts in each line. That was what I meant.

And what other relevant information are you basing your opinion on?
J.

The reason that you and your friends have Paradigm somehow proves my point. Why did you put your money in Paradigm when you could get more speaker for your money somewhere else ;)

As I mentioned earlier, what I meant by best for the money was in general terms of every aspect of the company not just sound quality, service or cabinets and yet you still don't get it.

Does anyone know how far apart the mounting hooks are for the Studio ADP590 v5's ? I had the Jamo C80 dipoles on the wall a few months back which I've sold which also had two mounting hooks so I was wondering if it would be a clean fit, in terms of support. If anyone knows how far apart the hooks are I wiould appreciate it. Thanks.

Regards,

There are many companies with just as good of speakers as Paradigm. Most of them are not as widely distributed though and therefore they arent seen by the masses.

I love paradigm speakers, but i agree with the other guys that there are just as many other companies in the same price range that make just as good of a speaker. Everyone has different likes and dislikes in speakers, some prefer B&W some prefer Paradigm and some prefer Klipsch (just to name a few big distribution names).

IF you want an example of what some people prefer over Paradigm for much less money AV123 Rocket speakers come to mind. MAny many people have preferred the Rocket RS850's over the Studio 100's. (I've personally heard both and they are both great in their own ways). The 850's can be purchased as low as $1100. I'd say thats A LOT better bang for the buck.

BUT different strokes for different folks, It just comes down to ones personal taste.

You're correct. ID does give you a lot of bang for the buck. More so than traditional store brands. So I stand corrected. I just hate paying shipping costs. Also you have all the issues with the particular company you mentioned, they have gotten better from what I hear though.

And as I've said before here and in other threads, I like being able to go to a shop and hang out with the owner and his son. We drink beer, pop in different CDs and movies and just have a good time. He'll let me take gear home to get the WAF, at least thats what I tell him I'm doing, really I can buy anything I want and can afford. :D

In short, I guess I'm willing to pay a little extra for that.

...and yet you still don't get it.
Would you mind answering my earlier question about your familiarity with Paradigm?

J.

Where would you go after Paradigm? After having the Studio 60 for a while, I'm thinking of going with another line just for the sake of it.

Naturally, I'm thinking of the B&W 8 series or the Axiom. But the B&W is overpriced for its performance and the Axiom is internet only.

sounds like for my first home audio setup, ill be pleasantly pleased with the monitor 9s and a cc-290. trying to figure out if i wanna go with a paradigm sub!

sounds like for my first home audio setup, ill be pleasantly pleased with the monitor 9s and a cc-290. trying to figure out if i wanna go with a paradigm sub!

I think you can get a lot more boom-for-your-buck with other brands of subwoofer, including DIY. Lots of brands like HSU and SVS have a good variety of well-regarded subs. Another option would be buying used via Audiogon or elsewhere.

J.

Where would you go after Paradigm? After having the Studio 60 for a while, I'm thinking of going with another line just for the sake of it.

Naturally, I'm thinking of the B&W 8 series or the Axiom. But the B&W is overpriced for its performance and the Axiom is internet only.

I picked up a pair of Dali Euphonias to replace my Studio 100s when I moved them down to our basement HT and I couldn't be happier with them. They are quite a bit pricier than the 100s, but probably not much more than the S6s. I went with the MS-4s and absolutely love them. I've got them running off a Denon 3805/3910 combo with a Parasound Halo A21 for amplification and Tara Labs cabling. They are wonderfully clear and detailed, provide tons of nice clean midrange and bass, and look spectacular. I'll try to get some pics posted this evening.

FWIW, the only reason I didn't go with a Dali 5.0 is cost, thus the move of my Paradigm 5.0 to our HT. I'm using the Dalis in a 2-channel system.

J.

You're correct. ID does give you a lot of bang for the buck. More so than traditional store brands. So I stand corrected. I just hate paying shipping costs. Also you have all the issues with the particular company you mentioned, they have gotten better from what I hear though.

And as I've said before here and in other threads, I like being able to go to a shop and hang out with the owner and his son. We drink beer, pop in different CDs and movies and just have a good time. He'll let me take gear home to get the WAF, at least thats what I tell him I'm doing, really I can buy anything I want and can afford. :D

In short, I guess I'm willing to pay a little extra for that.

well like i said i dont know why i chose av123, it was just the first ID company that came to mind. But thats why i said Salk Sound after that as they a nicely established an truly a bang for the buck company. Honestly i dont consider any B&M Brand a bang for the buck because you are paying at least a 50% markup. When you actually get MORE for your money, that qualifies as bang for the buck. Paradigm is fantastic but its just as easily comparable to B&W and Klipsch and Monitor Audio and all the big names.

But hanging around in a shop has little to do with Paradigm. That means you have a good relationship with the dealer. That can juts as easily be said for the other B&M companies i listed. But i understand what you mean.

As I mentioned earlier, what I meant by best for the money was in general terms of every aspect of the company not just sound quality, service or cabinets and yet you still don't get it.

Hm i dont own paradigm, so i guess it doesnt prove your point. ;)

sounds like for my first home audio setup, ill be pleasantly pleased with the monitor 9s and a cc-290. trying to figure out if i wanna go with a paradigm sub!

If you've decided to get a sub I'd say go with bookshelf speakers instead of floor standers and put that money toward a good sub. The low end you pick up with something like a Monitor 9 won't matter when you send that bass to a sub. :)

And as others have said, I wouldn't get a Paradigm sub. You'll get more bang for your buck from the various Internet Direct (ID) manufacturers like Hsu, SVS, Epik, Elemental Designs, Rythmik, etc.

well like i said i dont know why i chose av123, it was just the first ID company that came to mind. But thats why i said Salk Sound after that as they a nicely established an truly a bang for the buck company. Honestly i dont consider any B&M Brand a bang for the buck because you are paying at least a 50% markup. When you actually get MORE for your money, that qualifies as bang for the buck. Paradigm is fantastic but its just as easily comparable to B&W and Klipsch and Monitor Audio and all the big names.



I agree that ID companies look very tempting to me now. Recently, I have been wanting to upgrade my Paradigm Studio to something better. But a set of Studio 100 sets you back $3K, a CC690 center sets you back another $1.5K. To me that's a little expensive considering I only paid $1300 for my Kuro 5080.

That's why I looked into Axiom. For the price of a pair of Studio 100, you get a set of 5.1 with Axiom. Can't really compare the quality as Axiom is ID only. But I wouldn't mind trying out a pair of their towers since they have a no questions asked return policy.

The other gear I recently picked up was the Emotiva UPA-7 power amp. A great power amp for only $650 USD and it is obvious why the Emotiva gears are so cheap because they are ID only so they cut out the middle man.

Well you can't compared the price of a TV to the price of speakers but still, that's a damn good price. Is there any more at that price?

Well you can't compared the price of a TV to the price of speakers but still, that's a damn good price. Is there any more at that price?

I got the Kuro 5080 for a good price because the retailer was clearing out the 720p plasma last year. But really, I don't see why speakers have to be so expensive. The Paradigm Studio V5 100 retails for over $3000, the price of a good 50" TV nowadays. Are speakers harder and more expensive to manufacturer than LCD/Plasma?

Where would you go after Paradigm? After having the Studio 60 for a while, I'm thinking of going with another line just for the sake of it.

Naturally, I'm thinking of the B&W 8 series or the Axiom. But the B&W is overpriced for its performance and the Axiom is internet only.

Why not stick with Paradigm, but move up to the Signature series? I have a pair of 804's, but prefer my Sigs.

Not sure about plasma but TN panel LCD's with CCFL backlight are ridiculously cheap to manufacture. That was one of the main reasons why TV manufactures were pushing LCD so hard a few years ago (bigger profit margins). I don't think materials on either tech cost all that much really. OLED on the other hand is a little expensive atm. I can't really comment on why some speakers cost so much but I think alot of it is R&D and of course what was discussed the "middle man".

I needed a little bit of guidance from the more knowledgeable paradigm folks here. My setup is:

Room Dim.: 15wx12lx8h
Onkyo 807 (135x7)
2 Epik Sentinels on the way
Studio 20 v.4 fronts
CC 590 v.5 center
Aim 8 v.3 as rears.

My question is in a room this size and using 2 epik sentinels would it be a significant/necessary gain for me to upgrade to Studio 40 v.5 fronts if available at the right price? Or would there be little noticeability and more a waste of money until upgrading to a floor based tower speaker with more range and overall capability? I purchased my studio 20's at $750 and can sell them for that. I am being offered the studio 40's for
$1000 even. Worth it? I'm really stuck on if the upgrade is really warranted and would be noticeable.

Good luck finding studio 40 v5's, they don't exist :)

well like i said i dont know why i chose av123, it was just the first ID company that came to mind. But thats why i said Salk Sound after that as they a nicely established an truly a bang for the buck company. Honestly i dont consider any B&M Brand a bang for the buck because you are paying at least a 50% markup. When you actually get MORE for your money, that qualifies as bang for the buck. Paradigm is fantastic but its just as easily comparable to B&W and Klipsch and Monitor Audio and all the big names.

But hanging around in a shop has little to do with Paradigm. That means you have a good relationship with the dealer. That can juts as easily be said for the other B&M companies i listed. But i understand what you mean.

Im thinking of going av123 but would want the x-tatic x-omni as surrounds cause they look interesting and would need more amp power over the 130 from the onkyo

Good luck finding studio 40 v5's, they don't exist :)

I'm sorry, meant to refer to Studio 40 v. 4 :o Thanks for pointing that out. Care to share any thoughts on the question posed in the original post?

Does anyone have the ADP590 surrounds ? If you do, please check the mounting hooks at the back and tell me how far apart they are spaced. That would be brilliant. :) Thanks.

Regards,

The ADP-590 v5's don't use the typical mounting hooks. They reworked their brackets somewhere between v3 and v5. The new bracket (which I'll post pics of this afternoon if you'd like) requires two screws spaced 5 cm (or about 1/32" under 2") apart horizontally. The speaker has a built in notch that seats into the wall bracket.

J.

Jason, if you could post pics of the bracket I would really appreciate it. Thanks !

Regards,

No problem...I can get them up this afternoon for you.

J.

Thanks Jason. I know this is not related to the topic of speakers, but you know, the one thing I'm very surprised not to see are any reviews of the Paradigm Sub-12 and Sub-15 subwoofers.

I've ordered the Studio 100's and I used to own dual MFW-15's, both of which I thought sounded tight (got GIK tri-traps stacked from floor to ceiling), that was until I put a sealed sub next to it. Much tighter, more articulate, cleaner sounding.

The reference sub I compared it to was a Jamo D6 THX Ultra. Not exactly a benchmark sub but it sounded much better, more responsive, 'quicker' (yes, a technical misnomer). I'm just beginning to think that the MFW-15 was boomy sounding to begin with.

So I'm interested in the Sub-15 but I just don't see any reviews or any customers impressions on them. I find that strange. I would have thought they would be a hot topic but strangely there isn't much talk about them.

I wonder if anyone has heard anything about them.

Regards,

Its probably because you can get plenty of other products out there for the money as Paradigms Sub-15.... thats not to say its not a good sub, just somewhat expensive for what your getting... They are very nice looking subs for sure...

At $2800 list price US - there are plenty of bargains out there to be had for less...

One caveat I will throw in there - would be that all of the more bang for the buck products will be more reasily available to people in the more mainstream countries... sorry to say for you goneten in Africa... :(

This is a good case for you to look into doing something of the DIY nature IMO.... Building something can yield excellent results...

:rolleyes: :D

J.

Warp, I've tried my hand in DIY years ago, so been there, done that. I'm also lazy and it's getting progressively worse as time goes on. \

However you are spot on that at retail, the Sub-15 is not the best sub available. Good thing I won't be paying retail prices then. ;) Hence my dilemma and the reason why I'm considering it. ID options are, well, they're everywhere. Been there, done that too. Twice. No, make that thrice.

I considered the Submersive but the shipping on the unit alone will cost more than the MFW-15 subwoofer (with a satin black finish :)). So that isn't an option. I mean, for $2800, you might as well buy a Submersive and spend the remaining cash on acoustic treatment.

All I know is that if I buy a subwoofer it must be local, as I've had my fair share of ID products and performance-wise, it must rival the MFW-15 at least in output , it must be sealed (tired of ported subs). Even a Jamo D6 sub blew the MFW-15 away (in terms of quality, not quantity) and it isn't even a 'reference' sub by today's standards.

If the Jamo sub made such a good impression then I can only imagine what the Sub-15 would do.

Regards,

I'm sorry, meant to refer to Studio 40 v. 4 :o Thanks for pointing that out. Care to share any thoughts on the question posed in the original post?

If you're using a good sub (or two in your case!), I'm not sure you're going to see a lot of improvement between the 20s and the 40s v4. I haven't owned either, so someone that has should chime in.

Just ordered a pair of studio 60s and a cc690 in rosenut. Should be here next week :)

goneten, Well if your room isn't all that large and you can get away with a single 15, I think the choice of the Sub 15 would be pretty darn good... I would mention the Sub1 and Sub 2, but now the prices are really starting to get out of control....

Its too bad that you really have nothing much else available...
JL is not available to you I assume... I know you have been looking at them

Yes, I would love to buy the JL Fathom, fantastic subwoofer, unfortunately I'm not able to get it. Well, I can, but in S.A, the prices are slightly exaggerated. Okay, that might be an understatement. :rolleyes:

Certain products are more expensive over here, others not so much. I can get pretty much everything you can get, minus the ID options (where all the value is, damn it..). I know you love your Fathom's and I'm sure I would too, but unfortunately it's just one of those products over here that is way overpriced. Your prices and mine don't exactly correlate with one another. :D

Regards,

Could anyone tell me how good or bad the paradigm esprits stack up with the paradigm w5's? I have paradigm millenium 20's I think I need to change these for a bigger driver speaker for movies i use them fo L/F and R/F.

Chester

If you're using a good sub (or two in your case!), I'm not sure you're going to see a lot of improvement between the 20s and the 40s v4. I haven't owned either, so someone that has should chime in.

Just ordered a pair of studio 60s and a cc690 in rosenut. Should be here next week :)

I think you're right and from what i've been reading have to agree.

I'm jealous on the 60's and cc 690. I didn't have the room for both...great setup!

I think you're right and from what i've been reading have to agree.

I'm jealous on the 60's and cc 690. I didn't have the room for both...great setup!

I had planned on the 60s and a 490 or 590, but got a pretty good package deal with the 690, so went with that. Had thought about 20's for mains, but I'm in an apt, so it's not always possible to use my DIY 142litre sub :(

I'm not sure you're going to see a lot of improvement between the 20s and the 40s v4

I have the 40s, and extensively auditioned the 20s vs 40s vs 60s (all v4). The 40s, to me, seem to be a bit more... aggressive, while the 20s might have a bit better 2ch imaging, IMO. I know that sounds a bit vague, but the difference, although subtile, is noticeable. The 40s have better lowend extension, and I don't currently have room for a full size floor standing speaker(thus no 100 or 60). Eventually, I hope to move the 40s to surrounds, and upgrade the fronts to 100s. Eventually... :D

A question, looking at the dimensions for the Studio 100's, they don't seem that large. I mean, the pictures make them look imposing but after using my trusty measuring tape, they seem kind of small.

Agree ? Ahem, I have a significant other and so far, based on the measurements I've been given, they don't seem too big but almost every picture I've seen shows a different story. Hope I'm right about this. :D

Regards,

A question, looking at the dimensions for the Studio 100's, they don't seem that large. I mean, the pictures make them look imposing but after using my trusty measuring tape, they seem kind of small.


The Studio 60's are actually a little smaller than the Monitor 9's. I have Monitor 9's in a small apartment, and my living room is only 15ftx10ft. I am sitting 10ft away from them on my couch. How can anyone say the 60's or 100's are too big? I could have went with Monitor 11's, but I got a subwoofer and everything sounds fine. By the time you purchase stands for Studio 20's/40's, those take up just as much floor space. I fail to see people's logic these days with saying that modern speakers are too large, or they don't have enough space. I've seen people install those small cube speakers from Mirage/Bose in their living rooms, where they had plenty of room for floorstanders. People are more concerned about aesthetics than sound.

Jason, if you could post pics of the bracket I would really appreciate it. Thanks !

Regards,

Here you go...

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05486.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05487.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05490.jpg

J.

A question, looking at the dimensions for the Studio 100's, they don't seem that large. I mean, the pictures make them look imposing but after using my trusty measuring tape, they seem kind of small.

Agree ? Ahem, I have a significant other and so far, based on the measurements I've been given, they don't seem too big but almost every picture I've seen shows a different story. Hope I'm right about this. :D

Regards,

The Studio 100s are a very nice size. They are large enough to seem impressive and imposing (especially with the grilles off), but they are also manageable and easy to position. I'll post some pis of my setup in a few...

J.

Here are a few pics of the front end of our basement HT. You'll have to forgive the piano bench-style (okay...it obviously is a piano bench) center channel stand...I refuse to pay the coin for the Paradigm stand, so I'm in the process of building my own (for the win!).

Full shot...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05497.jpg

Studio 100 side...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05499.jpg

Studio 100 angle...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05500.jpg

Studio 100 front...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05503.jpg

Studio 100 top...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05513.jpg

Studio 100 corner detail...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05514.jpg

Studio 100 tweeter...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05504.jpg

Studio 100 midrange...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05505.jpg

Studio 100 woofer section...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05508.jpg

Studio 100 front port...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05509.jpg

Studio 100 front kickplate...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05510.jpg

Studio 100 outrigger feet...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05511.jpg

Studio 100 rear connections...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05516.jpg

Studio CC-690...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05517.jpg

When I first brought the v5 Studio 100s home and had them sitting next to my Dali MS-4s.
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC04494.jpg

^ very very nice!!! Great theater you have there!!! Thanks for sharing :)

P.S. - is that a VCR i see in the rack? niiiiiiice!

Great setup Jason. One thing you may want to try is to replace the cheap plated jumpers on the speaker terminals with short pieces of speaker wire. Its cheap and much better then the gold plated nickel. Since the top terminals are for the midrange and tweeter you should notice a difference.

Great setup Jason. One thing you may want to try is to replace the cheap plated jumpers on the speaker terminals with short pieces of speaker wire. Its cheap and much better then the gold plated nickel. Since the top terminals are for the midrange and tweeter you should notice a difference.

lol im sorry, but The tiny 2" of jumpers between the terminals is extremely insignificant. If there were some sort of downgrade, Paradigm would address this and spend the extra $0.40 to put in a higher quality jumper. With all the research and testing that Paradigm does they would not allow something like that to slip through.

+1, though I'll gladly experiment for your satisfaction.

And no, that's not a VCR in the rack...TAPE IS DEAD!

J.

I currently have a set of rosenut Studio 40s v3 and a CC-590 v4. They sound great. I am trying to determine the best place to mount the center speaker:

1. Mount the CC-590 in the top center of the cabinet, which would put it about 11-12" from the bottom of the screen. This places the top of the CC-590 at or just below the bottom of the Studio 40s (although the Studio 40s are mounted about 8' apart. This allows me to hide the center speaker and use the top center of the cabinet for other things.

2. Mount the cc-590 on top of the cabinet and although it wouldn't be hidden, the CC-590 and the Studio 40s would all be mounted at the same height: 30". The top of the CC-590 would be about 4" below the bottom of the screen (an Elite 141).

- or -

3. Upgrade to a CC-690 and mount it on top of the cabinet (there is plenty of room between the two Studio 40s. Again, the top of the speaker would be about 4" below the bottom of the screen and the bottom of the CC-690 would be at the same level as the bottom of the Studio 40s.

What to do? There is no room to mount the speakers on the floor, so Studio 60/100s were not an option. Anyone have a v3 or v4 CC-690 in rosenut in exellent condition for sale?

Thanks,

Lew

JasonColeman, thank you very much for sharing pics and also for showing me the bracket. Much appreciated !

I just can't wait for my Studio 100's to arrive. Unfortunately as much as I would have liked to go for the CC690 center, I made the decision to go for the CC590 due to limited space.

I hope that it won't be too much of a compromise in quality.

Regards,

I currently have a set of rosenut Studio 40s v3 and a CC-590 v4. They sound great. I am trying to determine the best place to mount the center speaker:

1. Mount the CC-590 in the top center of the cabinet, which would put it about 11-12" from the bottom of the screen. This places the top of the CC-590 at or just below the bottom of the Studio 40s (although the Studio 40s are mounted about 8' apart. This allows me to hide the center speaker and use the top center of the cabinet for other things.

2. Mount the cc-590 on top of the cabinet and although it wouldn't be hidden, the CC-590 and the Studio 40s would all be mounted at the same height: 30". The top of the CC-590 would be about 4" below the bottom of the screen (an Elite 141).

- or -

3. Upgrade to a CC-690 and mount it on top of the cabinet (there is plenty of room between the two Studio 40s. Again, the top of the speaker would be about 4" below the bottom of the screen and the bottom of the CC-690 would be at the same level as the bottom of the Studio 40s.

What to do? There is no room to mount the speakers on the floor, so Studio 60/100s were not an option. Anyone have a v3 or v4 CC-690 in rosenut in exellent condition for sale?

Thanks,

Lew

I'd say that if you can finagle the CC-690 (both spatially and financially) go for it. There was one for sale at Audiogon a couple of weeks ago (by a AVS member), but it looks like it has been sold or the ad expired. I'd keep an eye out there or see what kind of deal you can get from your local Paradigm dealer.

J.

Here are a few pics of the front end of our basement HT. You'll have to forgive the piano bench-style (okay...it obviously is a piano bench) center channel stand...I refuse to pay the coin for the Paradigm stand, so I'm in the process of building my own (for the win!).

Full shot...
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05497.jpg

I guess i know now how im going to mount my center, temporary setup.:D

Jason, thanks for the great pics. Makes me want to save my $ a lot quicker to replace my old DefTechs.

JASONCOLEMAN: Great speaker arrangement. BY the way what color paint is that in your room and was it something I can get at Low/HD? My wife and I are looking for the same color? :)

It's a Sherwin-Williams color called Techno Grey...kind of like a silvery sage. We went with the satin finish.

J.

I guess i know now how im going to mount my center, temporary setup.:D

I'm hoping to have the new stand done in a week or so...busy time of year! :D

J.

I brought them home yesterday, started setting them up like a kid on Christmas morning - then the Master Decorator came in and she, well I will not explain the expletives that occurred, but lets just say the Studio 20's on the stands are being returned. The good news is she asked that I move the Studio 60's to the back and replace the fronts, so I ordered Studio 100's for the fronts.

Anyway, here they are - I guess you can tell we are in the process of putting out living room together, there is like nothing in there but these electronics right now. I am waiting on the TV which is back ordered (Samsung UN55B8000 LED) and the AV123 MFW-15 DUAL Sub woofers are also back ordered, but most everything else is in.

CURRENT PARADIGMS:
Studio 60's v.5
Studio 20's v.5
CC-590 v.5 Center

I liked this first picture of the GLS Banana Connectors I am using for all the speakers. Those things are awesome for 14ga wire and yes, that is a wiring chart and a numbering scheme I set up so I could label all my cables and know what is going where.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/8183/ht004025.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7571/ht004001.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/629/ht004060.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2577/cc590.jpg

The rejected Studio 20's on stands (I thought they looked awesome)
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5025/ht004054.jpg

Ahhhh, the Studio 60's
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1060/studio60001.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3841/studio60002.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6081/studio60003.jpg

Congrats 1stCav, and thanks for the beautiful shots Jason. Jason what is the breakdown of the electronics in the wall rack?

1stCav thanks for the pics. nice setup.

Jason what is the breakdown of the electronics in the wall rack?

Thanks!

Russound CAM 6.6
PS3
Xbox 360
Velodyne SMS-1
Pioneer DV-45a
Denon AVR-4306
NAD 916 Multizone Amp
Anthem MCA-20 (for the Studio 100s)

There's also a 2TB HP music server a Sony 1080p VW50 projector and 2 DIY 18" subs...:)

J.

The Paradigm rep mentioned that the studio v.5's are now available in gloss black during the CEDIA podcast. I wonder if he misspoke. The comment was made at the 7:47 mark during the podcast.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/292740/cedia-2009-video-podcast-paradigm

Thanks!

Russound CAM 6.6
PS3
Xbox 360
Velodyne SMS-1
Pioneer DV-45a
Denon AVR-4306
NAD 916 Multizone Amp
Anthem MCA-20 (for the Studio 100s)

There's also a 2TB HP music server a Sony 1080p VW50 projector and 2 DIY 18" subs...:)

J.

Thanks. thats a really nice system.

JasonColeman,

Please tell me more about your experience leading up to your purchase of your Studio's. What about them grabbed you and took your attention away from the other competing speakers ? I assume you demoed a number of speakers before deciding to choose the Studio's ? Was it a long process for you ? I would be very interested to hear how you reached your decision. Thanks.

Regards,

Hello all.
I am new to this forum and have 2 questions.
Currently I have Polk LSi15 with LSiC, and LSiFX for sorrounds. I want to replace them with Paradigm S8, C5 and ADP3. The question is, will there be a great improvement to justify the mony difference? And 2, are ADP3s wall mounted?
I really appreciate evryone's suggestions and help.
Thanks,

Hm i dont own paradigm, so i guess it doesnt prove your point. ;)
Bigred,

How do you think the Studio and Signature towers compare to the Vienna Acoustics Grands (Mozart and Beethoven) ?

Best regards,
Ole Willy Tuv

The Paradigm rep mentioned that the studio v.5's are now available in gloss black during the CEDIA podcast. I wonder if he misspoke. The comment was made at the 7:47 mark during the podcast.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/292740/cedia-2009-video-podcast-paradigm

Yes the Studios are now available in gloss black. If you look through thr paradigm cedia photos you can actually see a few models in gloss black :)

Bigred,

How do you think the Studio and Signature towers compare to the Vienna Acoustics Grands (Mozart and Beethoven) ?

Best regards,
Ole Willy Tuv

Hey there Willy Tuv,

These two brands are by far extremely different sounding. The Viennas are so incredibly musical which is the main reason i still own them and dread the thought of getting rid of them. They are definately an elegant speaker. They produce such incredible deep and natural bass for a speaker of their size.

I also absolutely love the Signatures. They are just so incredibly smoothe. They are more forward than the VA Mozarts i own, but there dynamic movie performance is just killer. The Signatures are just kind of hard to describe IMO. They have just the right balance of sound. Nothing is to forward, nothing is to laid back, everything is jut so smoothe and natural sounding. I also adore the sound from Paradigm Signature center channels. :cool:

Hey folks,
Can anyone share a little info. on the Paradigm Esprits or the w5's.

Chester

I'm looking for a little help with the esprits or W5's. My system is set up with Millenium 20's f/l and f/r my center is klipcsh I can't remember model number but it's from thier pro or better speaker line. I want to replace it with the cc690 the klipcsh is just to bright. I have 4 sa35's for surrounds all hooked upto a Integra dhc 9.9 and Anthem A2 amp and Anthem A5 amp.

Chester

Hey folks,
Can anyone share a little info. on the Paradigm Esprits or the w5's.

Chester

What are your main uses? What kind of person are you? Do you like to get the best, or do you like to be conservative? Basically thats what it will come down to lol.

The W5 is definately a better speaker, but that doesnt mean the Esprits wouldnt do it for you.

have you heard either speaker, or at least heard a speaker from both the Stuio Series and Signature Series?

Hey there Willy Tuv,

These two brands are by far extremely different sounding. The Viennas are so incredibly musical which is the main reason i still own them and dread the thought of getting rid of them. They are definately an elegant speaker. They produce such incredible deep and natural bass for a speaker of their size.

I also absolutely love the Signatures. They are just so incredibly smoothe. They are more forward than the VA Mozarts i own, but there dynamic movie performance is just killer. The Signatures are just kind of hard to describe IMO. They have just the right balance of sound. Nothing is to forward, nothing is to laid back, everything is jut so smoothe and natural sounding. I also adore the sound from Paradigm Signature center channels. :cool:

Hi Bigred,

Thanks for the useful info/comparison. When moving into an apartment two years ago, we set up a 3.0 HT system in our main living room. The wife decided against our old KEF towers (which I loved) in this environment, so we ended up with B&W XT4 (LR) and XTC (center). The speakers are powered by an Emotiva XPA-3 amp. I´m currently using a Pioneer VSX-LX70 (European model) as prepro, but might get a UMC or XMC from Emotiva when they´re eventually released. ;)

While we love watching movies (mostly BD, some DVD), I´m personally more and more into listening to music, mostly 2 channel CD but also multi channel SACD, since I bought the Emotiva ERC-1 CD player and the Oppo BDB-83 universal player. Since we don´t want a sub, the challenge is to find good looking (WAF) musical speakers with great bass. :) So far, I have the Beethoven Baby Grand/Maestro center on my short list, but I guess the Signature S6 might be a great alternative.

Best regards,
Ole Willy Tuv

Bigred,
I have listened to the W5's but not the Esprits, My Paradigm dealer did not have them in stock anymore due to the economy I guess. I have to be a little conservative right now. I just wish I did'nt let an old dealer talk me into the Millenium 20's. The 20's are great speakers but they don't have enough bass or punch.

Thanks
Chester

Bigred,
I have listened to the W5's but not the Esprits, My Paradigm dealer did not have them in stock anymore due to the economy I guess. I have to be a little conservative right now. I just wish I did'nt let an old dealer talk me into the Millenium 20's. The 20's are great speakers but they don't have enough bass or punch.

Thanks
Chesterthey make the most profit from the mellina series:mad:

they make the most profit from the mellina series:mad:

lol its like half a point difference between the markup on say the millenia and say studio esprit.

Bigred,
I have listened to the W5's but not the Esprits, My Paradigm dealer did not have them in stock anymore due to the economy I guess. I have to be a little conservative right now. I just wish I did'nt let an old dealer talk me into the Millenium 20's. The 20's are great speakers but they don't have enough bass or punch.

Thanks
Chester

well you will definately get a bit more punch with either the W5's or Studio Esprits compared to the Millenia on walls. The Millenias are designed to have a much high roll off for the low frequencies. The two models you are interested in are desinged to roll off around 65-75hz instead of around 90hz+ so you will get a bit more midbass punch, but nothing crazy deep. What kind of sub do you have?

Anybody!!!
Anyone who has listened to Polk lsi15 and paradigm S8 series?
Would you let me know if the sound difference is good enough to satisfy the price gap.
Thanks,

Hello All...I am curious what crossover settings you are using for your ADP190's. Specs call for 110 hz to 20KHZ. My dealer told me 100hz but that does not seem right. Does the low frequency extension of 80hz determine anything...?

Hello All...I am curious what crossover settings you are using for your ADP190's. Specs call for 110 hz to 20KHZ. My dealer told me 100hz but that does not seem right. Does the low frequency extension of 80hz determine anything...?

I don't think you are going to get anything that low out of your surrounds. I can't imagine much bass being sent to the rear channels. I think mine are set to 120 hz or something like that. The rears are mostly ambiance and effects.

I don't think you are going to get anything that low out of your surrounds. I can't imagine much bass being sent to the rear channels. I think mine are set to 120 hz or something like that. The rears are mostly ambiance and effects.

Is it the source that does not send low frequencies to the surounds/rear or is that a setting on the receiver?

Paradigm Speakers Rock!

From a subjective stand point, which would be a better center speaker, the CC390 Monitor center or the CC590 Studio center ?

If one had a choice to go with the Studio line and either the CC590 or the CC390 from the Monitor line, which would you go for ? And if you would go for the 390, would it be a reasonable match, timbre-wise to the Studio's or would it be advisable to go with the Studio center ?

Regards,

From a subjective stand point, which would be a better center speaker, the CC390 Monitor center or the CC590 Studio center ?

If one had a choice to go with the Studio line and either the CC590 or the CC390 from the Monitor line, which would you go for ? And if you would go for the 390, would it be a reasonable match, timbre-wise to the Studio's or would it be advisable to go with the Studio center ?

Regards,

Without question, the CC-590. The tweeter and midrange driver quality more than makeup for the quantity of drivers.

I have the chance to replace my Studio 40 v3 and CC-590 v4 (or could upgrade to a CC-690 v4) with a new set of Sig S2s or S4s and C5 for about $2500-3,000. I could also upgrade mr Sevo 15 v2 with a Signature Servo 15 for about $800 (but is there any point in that?). My listening is 75% HT/25% music. I would also probably switch out my SA-15R-30 surrounds for SIG 1.5R-30s.

I am currently running an Integra DTR-7.8 with an Oppo BDP-83 and Pioneer Elite 141. I may upgrade my receiver, but such upgrade would have to be below $3,000.

Is this upgrade worth it, of is this just a case of upgrade-itis? i.e. is it prudent or is the performance of the upgrade not justified by the price?

I have a follow-up question too: should I conceal the center speaker in the cabinet (and have the top of the center speaker be 11" below the bottom of the screen) or just mount all of the L/C/R speakers on top of the 30" cabinet so that the top of the center speaker is 2-3" below the bottom of the monitor and all of the bottoms of the speakers are mounted at the same height.

Thanks,

Lew

Can't tell you if its worth it for YOU....

But just so you know the only change you will get from the Servo 15 .v2 will be in the looks dept... The Signature SUB is really only a cosmetic difference with the same hardware...

Hi Warpdrv,

Since I've asked Jason (probably just hasn't had time to respond as of yet), I might as well ask you as well. Please tell me more about your experience leading up to your purchase of the Studio's.

What speakers did you audition with the Studio's at the time and what exactly made you decide to choose them over the competition ? I'm curious to know. Thanks.

Regards,

Can someone give me a bit more info on the ADP-370 surrounds. I was thinking of picking up a used set ADP-370 V.3 OR V.4 for my rear surrounds. I wanted to know if these are bipoles or dipoles. Paradigm surround get complicated with their fancy crossovers.

Also, does anyone know the difference between the v3 and the v4 with the ADP-370? I am not sure if it is worth spending 300-400 bucks for used surrounds, but there are a few for sale.

Hi folks,

I see that both my Studio 60 fronts/center and receiver (TX-SR806) support bi-amping option (please ignore bi-wiring message header, I made mistake). Description says that bi-amping "might" provide better sound by supplying separate tweeter and woofer feeds. From your experience, do you think it makes any noticeable difference for Studios?

Thanks!

Personally, I've never heard any noticeable difference when bi-wiring. That's just me.

Regards,

Personally, I've never heard any noticeable difference when bi-wiring. That's just me.

Regards,

It is bi-amping, not bi-wiring. I made mistake and corrected my post.

Anyone looking to sell ADP 590s v4? If so, let me know!

I have a chance to purchase a pair of S6 or S8's which are both on sale right now. Only thing is, the S8's are only $500 more than the S6's with the sale on each. This makes me lean towards the S8's, but they are significantly larger than the S6's. The size of the S6 is much more suited to the room they will be going in. I hate to pass up such a great deal on the S8's though. I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to audition these side by side? Will I be losing much by going with the S6 over the S8? I do run a Velodyne DD15 sub as well, so if I will just be losing a bit of bottom end, I can make that up with my sub.

These will be integrated into a HT setup, but I do listen to a great deal of 2 channel music also.

I am running an Anthem AVM50 pre/pro amd they will be powered by a Simaudio W5.

Thanks

Buy the S8. You can never know what the sound room in 3 years will be, and if tuned properly, you can remove the need for a sub. For only $500 more you are getting more than $500 in speaker, and I know as I own S8v2's.

Please...I'm not being rude and it has nothing to do with anybody's ego when I simply call you out on your claim that Paradigm is the best you can get with your money. I've owned, and continue to own, numerous pairs of Paradigm speakers and I've always been fairly pleased with them...especially those in the Studio line. However, I'd never claim that they were the best...that's just fanboy-speak (whose ego is being stroked?).

And the AVS Club Member status simply gives me the ability to buy and sell in the marketplace ad nauseum...it's not really a club, it's a fee to be able to place ads.

The "I'm just sayin' " was supposed to be funny and actually lighten the back and forth, but was clearly misguided. My apologies.

J.

Just so you know, sarcasm, humour and subtlety are difficult to pull off in print. Sticking to simplicity and fact is easier to do.

Personally, with my many years of audio passion with me, I have yet to find ANY brand that can offer as much as Paradigm does at the money, the Signature line included. I had a rather large budget to work with and chose the S8 as the sound quality was above what I could get at twice the price, to say nothing of the fact I got it at a deal. And the fact it is all built in house to spec THEY want.... not many do that and use off the shelf drivers they have to "work around" to get right for THEM.

To say the statement "best for the money" is not silly if you do your homework.

Just so you know, sarcasm, humour and subtlety are difficult to pull off in print. Sticking to simplicity and fact is easier to do.
I was simply asking Lost! to back up his claim with his own experience. He has yet to chime in and offer any type of credentials that would give any substance to his claim that Paradigm is the best bang-for-the-buck manufacturer out there.

Thanks for the tip.

And the fact it is all built in house to spec THEY want...
I'm fairly certain that at least the Studio and Signature cabinets are being manufactured in China, and I wouldn't be surprised if that held true to their lower lines, too.

To say the statement "best for the money" is not silly if you do your homework.
I'll give you that, but I still think that making blanket claims using language like "best" is a leap...clearly you've done your homework and you're obviously happy with your purchases, but you'll find owners on all of the threads making the same claims.

I'll reiterate and state that I've been a loyal Paradigm fan for about 15 years. I just unloaded my v3 Studio 100 5.0 setup and replaced it with a v5 setup. I've owned most of the speakers that they've offered...the Sigs aside. I'm a huge fan of Paradigm and recommend them to friends and colleagues. That being said, you can scroll through any of my 3k+ posts and you won't ever see me claim that they are the best...because it's an asinine claim, even for someone with my experience with their products.

J.

I heard the studio 20 v5 for the first time today and they sound amazing.Ended up ordering the 10's for the living room.In the basement ht a pioneer sc-07 is running monitor 9 v6,cc 390 v6,adp 390 v6,atom monitor v6 and dual dsp 3200.Would the pioneer run a studio setup or would i need a power amp?If not, which studio setup could i use?

JasonColeman,

Please tell me more about your experience leading up to your purchase of your Studio's. What about them grabbed you and took your attention away from the other competing speakers ? I assume you demoed a number of speakers before deciding to choose the Studio's ? Was it a long process for you ? I would be very interested to hear how you reached your decision. Thanks.

Regards,

I'll say that of all of the speakers I've had experience with, my Dali Euphonias are my favorite. However, at $6k msrp for the pair and well over $10k for a 5.0 setup the Dalis were simply out of my price range as a replacement for my Studio 100 5.0 in our basement HT. I got a very good price on my Dalis and use them strictly for 2-channel music and movies in our great room and would have loved to be able to move them downstairs to our HT, but purchasing the rest of the speakers would have set me back nearly as far as it did to buy the Studio v5 setup, and then I'd still need a pair of mains for my 2-channel setup which sees about 80% of our usage.

Regarding my choice for the Studio v5's, I'll confess that a major part of it was convenience. I have a good relationship with my Paradigm dealer and I've got a limited selection of manufacturers in our area. Our dealer also carries Definitive, Phase Tech, Bose, McIntosh, and a few others. There's another dealer that has a few other brands, but nothing that has really wowed me in the past. I've had a lot of experience with Totem, Vienna Acoustics, Sonus Faber, Klipsch, and a handful of other brands, but nothing that I've heard wows me like the Dalis. However, with no dealer anywhere within a few hundred miles and with their lines being so far out of my price range, I was content to settle for the new version of the Paradigm Studios. That, and the fact that my wife and I just had our second child in the spring, which has clearly left me with less time to shop around and do my due homework. At any rate, I had always been quite happy with the performance of my v3 Studio setup, so when I heard that v5 was on the horizon I started looking into them. I love the quality of the new cabinet (regardless of where it's made) and the fact that they're finally back to real wood veneers (appeals to the woodworker in me), I love the new curved design (which matches my curved DIY subs I built this past year), and I knew that I could get a decent amount for my v3 setup. I got my whole v3 setup for 25% off list, so there was plenty of room to recover enough to get me going on the v5's. When they landed at my dealer, I made 3 trips down to demo the Studio 100's. I played a lot of material on them and ran them in a variety of modes and really liked what I heard. The build quality was excellent, my dealer gave me a very good price on them, and I knew that they'd be fairly seamless with my remaining Studio setup until I upgraded the rest.

They didn't have a v5 center, but I knew I'd go for the CC690 after my less than satisfactory experience with my CC570. I ordered it several weeks after my Studio 100's came in and have never looked back...I absolutely love this center. I need to finish building the stand for it, but that's been the only drawback. And the ADP's were the last priority, which I just got about 3 weeks ago. I'd say that they were the only disappointing facet of my upgrade, and only because of their build quality. I really liked my v3's, which were hefty and well-mounted and just felt substantial. The v5's are considerably smaller, though have the bass drivers which make up for the differences. They just lack the "awesomeness" that the other v5 speakers clearly have, particularly in the looks and build department. In retrospect, I'd probably have opted for Studio 20's, though our room is a bit restrictive and we'd have a tough time squeezing them in.

Overall, I've been very happy with my purchase. Ideally, I would have liked to spend more time making an informed decision, but I have no regrets.

Since I've asked Jason (probably just hasn't had time to respond as of yet)

True, true...I went and saw a show on Thursday night that kept me out until the wee hours of the morning. I've been recovering ever since...totally worth it! :D

J.

I heard the studio 20 v5 for the first time today and they sound amazing.Ended up ordering the 10's for the living room.In the basement ht a pioneer sc-07 is running monitor 9 v6,cc 390 v6,adp 390 v6,atom monitor v6 and dual dsp 3200.Would the pioneer run a studio setup or would i need a power amp?If not, which studio setup could i use?

I guess it would depend on which Studio setup you were considering. 10's, 20's, 60's, 100's,... The SC-07 has enough power for any of these setups, but you would be wise to invest in a decent 2 or 3-channel amp (depending on the CC you're looking at) to power the front end. It's not necessary, and you could certainly enjoy your setup without one, but if you're looking at the larger speakers, an external amp would take a lot of load off your AVR and reduce the risk of clipping and damage at higher levels.

J.

I guess it would depend on which Studio setup you were considering. 10's, 20's, 60's, 100's,... The SC-07 has enough power for any of these setups, but you would be wise to invest in a decent 2 or 3-channel amp (depending on the CC you're looking at) to power the front end. It's not necessary, and you could certainly enjoy your setup without one, but if you're looking at the larger speakers, an external amp would take a lot of load off your AVR and reduce the risk of clipping and damage at higher levels.

J.

I thinking about studio 20,cc 590,adp 590,subs still haven't decided.Not sure if back surround speakers are worth the added cost.If possible i would like to only run the pioneer but will get an amp if needed.My modest living room stereo will cinsist of studio 10's,marantz 8003 intergrated amp,marantz 5003 cd player.Should i return the marantz and get the rotel 1520 intergrated amp with cd player or keep the marantz?Heard the rotel the other day and it sounded great, but got a really good deal on the marantz.I'm kinda of leaning towards the rotel and maybe ordering the 20's instead of the 10's.If that were the case, ht upgrade would have to wait.Any thoughts?

Jason, thank you very much for taking the time to share your experiences. Also, congratulations with the second baby. I'm sure that's going to be a handful. :)

The only speaker that I'm a little worried getting is the CC590 center although a few posters here have commented that there isn't much difference between it and the CC690. You mentioned being underwhelmed with it.

Was that the previous generation center or the v5 ?

Regards,

Bigred,
I have the sizmic 12 I think its called sizmic paradigm.

Chester

Thanks! :) She's a doll...

The center I replaced was a v3 CC-570. I always found it to be thin and weak and a bit boxy sounding. I had to order my v5 center sight unseen, so I opted for the 690 with hopes that I wouldn't be disappointed, and I couldn't be happier with it. I've never heard the v5 590, so I can't compare the two, but there are a lot of happy 590 owners out there, so I think you'll be fine.

J.

That would be "Seismic" as in earthquakes...

J.

Jason, thank you very much for taking the time to share your experiences. Also, congratulations with the second baby. I'm sure that's going to be a handful. :)

The only speaker that I'm a little worried getting is the CC590 center although a few posters here have commented that there isn't much difference between it and the CC690. You mentioned being underwhelmed with it.

Was that the previous generation center or the v5 ?

Regards,

I was very happy trading in my 570 for a 690 and I don't consider it due to it being the next version, it just seems clearer

I was very happy trading in my 570 for a 690 and I don't consider it due to it being the next version, it just seems clearer

Exactly...the 690 is simply more robust and much more speaker and on par with my Studio 100's than my v3 570 was.

J.

I have owned my v4. 590 for almost 6 months now and I am very impressed with how it performs with my v4 Studio 40's. The 590 is clear, powerful, and delivers a dynamic punch on both HT and music. I run Atoms for surrounds and picked up a DSP 3200 a few weeks ago. Simply stated I could not be happier with my setup. You won't be disappointed with the 590

Exactly...the 690 is simply more robust and much more speaker and on par with my Studio 100's than my v3 570 was.

J.

And got it on closeout for well under $900 and an authorized , got the last one ha

I have owned my v4. 590 for almost 6 months now and I am very impressed with how it performs with my v4 Studio 40's. The 590 is clear, powerful, and delivers a dynamic punch on both HT and music. I run Atoms for surrounds and picked up a DSP 3200 a few weeks ago. Simply stated I could not be happier with my setup. You won't be disappointed with the 590

Running the 590 with Studio 40's is a totally different story than running a 590 with Studio 100's (which is what Goneten is looking to do). I've got no beef with the 5XX series CC, but I thought that it couldn't hold its own with the Studio 100's. I'll admit that I haven't heard the v4 or v5 590 and I'm basing my comments entirely on my experience with my v3 570.

J.

And got it on closeout for well under $900 and an authorized , got the last one ha

Nice! Is that a v4 or v5?

J.

Running the 590 with Studio 40's is a totally different story than running a 590 with Studio 100's (which is what Goneten is looking to do). I've got no beef with the 5XX series CC, but I thought that it couldn't hold its own with the Studio 100's. I'll admit that I haven't heard the v4 or v5 590 and I'm basing my comments entirely on my experience with my v3 570.

J.

I agree completely - I was limited to bookshelf speakers so the 40's were the largest Studios that would work for me. Had I purchased the 60's it would been a tougher choice. Had I purchased the 100's it would of been a 690 hands down. My post was addressing the sound quality of the 590 in my humble opinion (at least the v4 anyway.)

Thanks for the input! Again, I'm glad that you're pleased with the 590 and it certainly seems like it is well suited for the 10's, 20's, and 40's. The 690 would probably be overkill...

J.

Nice! Is that a v4 or v5?

J.

v4 - still great though

Any news on the SE series?

v4 - still great though
Absolutely! Congrats on the sweet deal!

What is the rest of your speaker setup?

J.

I can appreciate how the 690 pleased it's owners as well. Once the basment is finished my gear will move downstairs, which absolutely thrills my wife. What she doesn't know yet, but soon will, involves moving the 40's to the rear, selling the 590 and picking up a 690 and then plunking down a set of 100s in place of the 40s. A SUB-12/15 may have to replace the DSP 3200 or if I can get away with it augment with a second 3200. My RXV 3900 will do pre/pro duty with a NAD M25 driving the front Studios.

Sounds like an awesome setup! Good luck breaking that plan to the wife...! :eek:

J.

Absolutely! Congrats on the sweet deal!

What is the rest of your speaker setup?

J.

60 v.3, adp-590 v5... figuring out the rears currently svs sbs

epik dynasty, 2 x 18" DIY ed woofers, as-eq1, pioneer 111fd

I can appreciate how the 690 pleased it's owners as well. Once the basment is finished my gear will move downstairs, which absolutely thrills my wife. What she doesn't know yet, but soon will, involves moving the 40's to the rear, selling the 590 and picking up a 690 and then plunking down a set of 100s in place of the 40s. A SUB-12/15 may have to replace the DSP 3200 or if I can get away with it augment with a second 3200. My RXV 3900 will do pre/pro duty with a NAD M25 driving the front Studios.

I would go for the sub 15.I am running dual dsp 3200's and don't feel they keep up.They don't go low enough with enough output.The bass they put out isn't as clear,muddy you might say, as the studio series subs.

I have the Studio 40s and a CC-590 (v4). I was thinking of upgrading to a CC-690, but would that not e such a good match up with teh Studio 40s?

I think you'd be fine with either the 590 or 690 with the Studio 40's. If you have the room and the funds for the 690, I'd go for it. Are you looking for v4 or v5? I saw your ad at Audiogon, but don't recall if you specified which version you were looking for.

J.

If I has Studio 10's or 20's, I'd go with the CC-590. With Studio 60's or 100's, I'd choose the 690. With the 40's, I think it's a toss-up. I haven't auditioned the 40's, so hopefully someone with more direct experience can chime in regarding the centers.

J.

Existing 5.1 System: Need for find 2 rear surround for 7.1

Paradigm Mini Monitor v2
Paradigm PDR-12 Subwoofer
Klipsch RC-3 center
Klipsch Synergy KB2 surround

Any recommendations on REAR channel to complete 7.1 setup?

Onkyo TX-SR706 AVR

thanks

I was very happy trading in my 570 for a 690 and I don't consider it due to it being the next version, it just seems clearer

Paranoia is going to set in for me fairly quickly. :) Which version did you use prior to getting the CC690 ?

I'm not completely sure what improvements were made going from the v3 (or v4) to the v5 range. It's possible that you experienced larger gains going from not only an older range but then making the leap to their reference model.

I mean, new cabinet, new crossovers, new drivers; all these things might have been improved enough to make appreciable gains in sound quality. Then again, I haven't heard plenty of people talk about the v5 590 and 690 (just a few here or there).

Hey, who knows, I'm just trying to justify to myself that I'm making a sane decision (I only have one decision to make and hence one option which is no option at all) so I'm trying to rationalize things.

I'm sure the CC690 would sound better, less stressed at higher levels (etc.) all things being equal within the same product line, but the real question is, is the subjective sound quality improvement that much better or is it more of a subtle improvement ? Can't believe I've wasted so many lines trying to convince myself that the CC590 is the best buy. Indirectly and directly. :D

Regards,

Honestly, if you're getting the Studio 100's you'd be nuts not to go for the 690. If your setup or budget procludes the 690, that's understandable. But if you can swing it, you'll never look back...

J.

The thing is, my budget isn't so much a problem. I just don't have the space at the moment for the 690. My cabinet simply doesn't have the depth required for the speaker. I have the width and height covered but that damn center speaker is too deep.

Oh well. No use in crying of spilled milk I guess. :)

Regards,

Yeah, that additional 4" can be the ender. Doesn't your cabinet accomodate components? Those are certainly deeper than the 690. I'm sure you've done your homework, and as I said before there are plenty of 590 owners that are quite happy.

J.

I would go for the sub 15.I am running dual dsp 3200's and don't feel they keep up.They don't go low enough with enough output.The bass they put out isn't as clear,muddy you might say, as the studio series subs.

I thought long and hard about getting a Sub 12 vs. the 3200 but ended up buying the 3200. It was hard for me to justify 2000 bucks for a Sub 12 and I got a smoking deal on the 3200. So far the 3200 performs very well. The bass does not boom like I feared and it digs deep as a HT sub. For music I set the crossover at 60 Hz so the boom is minimized. It does integrate nicely with my setup but I have found myself looking at the Sub 12 brochure lately.....

Currently, I have a Velodyne DD15. I'm considering changing to the Sub 25. Has anyone compared the two?

I thought long and hard about getting a Sub 12 vs. the 3200 but ended up buying the 3200. It was hard for me to justify 2000 bucks for a Sub 12 and I got a smoking deal on the 3200. So far the 3200 performs very well. The bass does not boom like I feared and it digs deep as a HT sub. For music I set the crossover at 60 Hz so the boom is minimized. It does integrate nicely with my setup but I have found myself looking at the Sub 12 brochure lately.....

I find that sealed subs sound much tighter and faster than ported subs.The sub 15 that i heard also had the pbk,sounded fantastic!After hearing a well setup sub 15 the dsp's sound slow.I too have a hard time trying to justify that much money for a sub,especially since two subs are always better.Did you have monitors before your studios?I stiil have monitors.

Build your own... much cheaper... and even better...


TC-Sounds is making a comeback... They make the Legendary 15" and 18" LMS drivers.. !!!!

http://www.audiopulse.com/products/subwoofer-drivers/lms-ultra
Well known to be pretty much the best drivers measured to date...

Sealed is simple... I built all my own... they are awesome...

Anyone able to help,

What would a pair of adp 590 v5's go for used?

I am considering getting rid of them so I can buy 2 of the tweak city subs to use for directional bass.

Build your own... much cheaper... and even better...


TC-Sounds is making a comeback... They make the Legendary 15" and 18" LMS drivers.. !!!!

http://www.audiopulse.com/products/subwoofer-drivers/lms-ultra
Well known to be pretty much the best drivers measured to date...

Sealed is simple... I built all my own... they are awesome...

How much did it cost to build your own?How much time invested?Which drivers would you buy if you were doing it over again now?

I find that sealed subs sound much tighter and faster than ported subs.The sub 15 that i heard also had the pbk,sounded fantastic!After hearing a well setup sub 15 the dsp's sound slow.I too have a hard time trying to justify that much money for a sub,especially since two subs are always better.Did you have monitors before your studios?I stiil have monitors.

The last set I owned were a pair of Esprit Monitors from the early 90's. I finally left the 2 channel world and made the jump to 5.1 in February. I never made it to the dealer to hear a Sub 12 but ended buying the 3200 from a buddy who sells only Monitor series stuff. So far I am happy but often wonder what I am missing by not choosing the Sub 12. I could always put the 3200 on Kijiji and get back what I paid and go to the Paradigm Reference dealer and pick up the Sub 12.

How much did it cost to build your own?How much time invested?Which drivers would you buy if you were doing it over again now?

The 13ply birch ply was about $70 a sheet, took me about a week to build each enclosure, and I started out with the 18" Maelstrom-X driver, but I am replacing all 3 of those with 18" LMS's from TC-Sounds... I personally wouldn't use anything else If I was starting out fresh... they are a bit expensive - I paid $1k each used... not sure how much the new LMS's are going to cost, ($1500-$1800 each) but they will be worth it.. don't forget you need a big amp for sealed - I got 4 x 4000w amps at about $1K each used.. unbelievable durability & output from those drivers... I have blown subs of lesser quality with my output needs. I personally wouldn't choose another driver, but thats just me.


You could always have a cabinet builder do a box for ya also.

If something like that is not an option - just start buying Seaton Sound - Submersives.. they are awesome subs... Mark makes a fantastic product for @ $2K each... much better value and output then a Paradigm sub - SQ is seriously amongst the best I have heard too...

The last set I owned were a pair of Esprit Monitors from the early 90's. I finally left the 2 channel world and made the jump to 5.1 in February. I never made it to the dealer to hear a Sub 12 but ended buying the 3200 from a buddy who sells only Monitor series stuff. So far I am happy but often wonder what I am missing by not choosing the Sub 12. I could always put the 3200 on Kijiji and get back what I paid and go to the Paradigm Reference dealer and pick up the Sub 12.

I have the monitor 9 v6,thinking of getting studio 20 v5,cc590,adp 590.Have you heard the 9's?Do you think the 20's will outperform the 9's?At a later date i would get some towers and move the 20's upstairs.Seriously thinking of a diy sub.I was hoping it would cost less than a sub12 or 15 because i would still like to have dual subs.What kind of amp are you using with your 40's?I'm running a pioneer elite sc-07,should be enough to push some 20's to start.

The 13ply birch ply was about $70 a sheet, took me about a week to build each enclosure, and I started out with the 18" Maelstrom-X driver, but I am replacing all 3 of those with 18" LMS's from TC-Sounds... I personally wouldn't use anything else If I was starting out fresh... they are a bit expensive - I paid $1k each used... not sure how much the new LMS's are going to cost, ($1500-$1800 each) but they will be worth it.. don't forget you need a big amp for sealed - I got 4 x 4000w amps at about $1K each used.. unbelievable durability & output from those drivers... I have blown subs of lesser quality with my output needs. I personally wouldn't choose another driver, but thats just me.


You could always have a cabinet builder do a box for ya also.

If something like that is not an option - just start buying Seaton Sound - Submersives.. they are awesome subs... Mark makes a fantastic product for @ $2K each... much better value and output then a Paradigm sub - SQ is seriously amongst the best I have heard too...

Is there anything worth doing in a 12?How about a budget of $1500 each?Am i dreaming or is it possible to have two 12's that will outperform the paradigms?What eq if any are you using?

Is there anything worth doing in a 12?How about a budget of $1500 each?Am i dreaming or is it possible to have two 12's that will outperform the paradigms?What eq if any are you using?

Possibly 3 of the new tweak city subs. 2x10" each, set up sort of like the submersive. A very interesting sub. Or possibly 2 x epik sentinels.

Is there anything worth doing in a 12?How about a budget of $1500 each?Am i dreaming or is it possible to have two 12's that will outperform the paradigms?What eq if any are you using?

I would suggest you could easily do a couple of 12's for that budget, and performance could easily equal or likely better the digms.

You could look at building a couple of your own DIY JL F112's or use some TC-Sounds 12" LMS's to do the same thing... there are LMS's in that size as well...

Just FYI, you could do a 15" driver in a 20 or 21" cube... if thats too big then yeah look toward some

The only EQ I use is the SMS-1 to boost the 20hz area, then my D2v handles all the rest of the EQing with ARC.

First I will try to fill in the back story as fast as possible:

1. Had my 3 front speakers (the only 3 connected) go at once while I was connecting my subwoofer - The center was completely gone - the fronts (what I need help with) are just "off" somehow.

2. The receiver was checked out and cleared by onkyo. I looked into all possible causes - none made sense, all changes were explained on the board and to onkyo and nothing made sense so I am not worried about the cause I just want to find what is wrong now.

OK HERE IS THE ISSUE NOW:

My fronts sound "off" - they are metalic, forward, have a lisp and an overhang. I really can't stand them, my crappy samsung tv speakers almost sound better.

Since the tweeter on the center was blown could that be what is wrong? The center was VERY VERY wrong but the fronts are not nearly as bad so I am wondering if it could possibly be the same problem since it sounds so different. Could the crossover cause this? The fronts are not under warranty so its harder to get help.

I would suggest you could easily do a couple of 12's for that budget, and performance could easily equal or likely better the digms.

You could look at building a couple of your own DIY JL F112's or use some TC-Sounds 12" LMS's to do the same thing... there are LMS's in that size as well...

Just FYI, you could do a 15" driver in a 20 or 21" cube... if thats too big then yeah look toward some

The only EQ I use is the SMS-1 to boost the 20hz area, then my D2v handles all the rest of the EQing with ARC.

Could you tell me more about the TC sounds?Where do i find them?Which amp would be suitable?Size is not an issue,if I were to go the diy route,I would like it to cost much less.Performance equal to or greater than the paradigm subs.Is there a good diy thread?How hard is it to set up the eq's?Which would you use on a budget?I would only like to spend the cost of one sub 15 for two diy subs.Is this possible?

Running the 590 with Studio 40's is a totally different story than running a 590 with Studio 100's (which is what Goneten is looking to do). I've got no beef with the 5XX series CC, but I thought that it couldn't hold its own with the Studio 100's. I'll admit that I haven't heard the v4 or v5 590 and I'm basing my comments entirely on my experience with my v3 570.

J.

I totally agree here. I started off running a 590 with the Studio 100's and found the 590 to be underwhelming, so I stepped up to the 690. Although I wouldn't say it was a huge improvement, the additional mid-bass drivers definitely provides a more balanced front sound stage in my opinion.

I have the monitor 9 v6,thinking of getting studio 20 v5,cc590,adp 590.Have you heard the 9's?Do you think the 20's will outperform the 9's?At a later date i would get some towers and move the 20's upstairs.Seriously thinking of a diy sub.I was hoping it would cost less than a sub12 or 15 because i would still like to have dual subs.What kind of amp are you using with your 40's?I'm running a pioneer elite sc-07,should be enough to push some 20's to start.

I have a RXV 3900 running the 40's, a v.4 590, and a pair of Atoms in the back. At the levels I listen and watch, it has plenty of power. I would go for the Studio 20's over the Monitor 9's. Your subs will fill in down low where the 20s drop off

Could you tell me more about the TC sounds?Where do i find them?Which amp would be suitable?Size is not an issue,if I were to go the diy route,I would like it to cost much less.Performance equal to or greater than the paradigm subs.Is there a good diy thread?How hard is it to set up the eq's?Which would you use on a budget?I would only like to spend the cost of one sub 15 for two diy subs.Is this possible?

Head on over to the DIY area and start reading, or post up a thread to get ideas about starting a build, lots more people to help you get going and figure out what your needs and requirements will be...

Post up your room size and related equipment - box size limitations and budget and that will get the ball rolling... tell them you would like to equal the paradigm sub - it can easily be done....

I have a RXV 3900 running the 40's, a v.4 590, and a pair of Atoms in the back. At the levels I listen and watch, it has plenty of power. I would go for the Studio 20's over the Monitor 9's. Your subs will fill in down low where the 20s drop off

I outgrew the monitor sound quickly,there're only six months old.Thats the problem though,hard to justify the cost of an upgrade already.I ordered a pair of 10's for a small 2 channel setup and every time I hear the monitors now all I can think about is this could sound so much better.They are used mostly for ht so it's not to bad.Sometime within the next year they will be replaced with some studios.Depending on which model ,I might pickup a power amp to power them.Does anyone know if it's easy to ship emotiva products to Canada?I've read a few posts which claim it wasn't worth it.

Head on over to the DIY area and start reading, or post up a thread to get ideas about starting a build, lots more people to help you get going and figure out what your needs and requirements will be...

Post up your room size and related equipment - box size limitations and budget and that will get the ball rolling... tell them you would like to equal the paradigm sub - it can easily be done....

Thanks for the info.For my first try,I was thinking of a small 10 to compliment a pair of studio 10's.You really got the wheels turning.If all goes well with the first sub, I will build some for the ht.

HI,i am looking to upgrade from a older set of m&k speakers to some studio 60v5 FRONTS now for the center i like the cc-690 but the salesmen is telling me it probbaly would over power the studi0 60 that i should go for the cc-590.i am also running 2 subs infinity psw12 400 watt wireless and a m&k 300 watt sub which was level calibrated along with the rest of the older system.i am also upgrading my surrounds with the studio adp-590.my living room is 15ft wide x 18ft which is wear all of this will be.So whats your opinion the cc-590 or cc-690? THANKS

Just curious guys about a decision that I have to make!! I got quoted for the Klipsch RF-82 System(2 82's, RC-62, 2 RS-52's no sub) for $2100 canadian and the Paradigm Monitor 11 System(2 Monitor 11, CC-290, DSP 3200 and 2 Mini Monitors for rears) for $2800 Just curious what you guys would do and why or if I should look for better deals if this is a deal at all??

Thanks guys.

And what do you guys recommend for rear surround speakers for 5.1 Dipole or Bookshelf??

And what do you guys recommend for rear surround speakers for 5.1 Dipole or Bookshelf??

Generically, it depends on your intended usage --

If you prefer home theater, general consensus seems to point to dipoles for more disperse, less directional sound (helps with environmental effects, feeling more like a part of the film/game as you can't rally pinpoint where your speakers are).

For multi-channel music, it seems most find direct firing bookshelf speakers more appealing (dipoles can "muddy" things a bit depending on your room/acoustics due to intentionally "bouncing around" the sound)

I use dipoles for games/movies, but go strictly 2 channel for critical music listening so it doesn't matter what rears I use; although I am certainly tempted to try out directs for my rears due to some room issues I have.

having said all that, I bet you'll be pleased with either choice, especially if you have some sort of room correction in your setup (audyssey, etc).

HI,i am looking to upgrade from a older set of m&k speakers to some studio 60v5 FRONTS now for the center i like the cc-690 but the salesmen is telling me it probbaly would over power the studi0 60 that i should go for the cc-590.i am also running 2 subs infinity psw12 400 watt wireless and a m&k 300 watt sub which was level calibrated along with the rest of the older system.i am also upgrading my surrounds with the studio adp-590.my living room is 15ft wide x 18ft which is wear all of this will be.So whats your opinion the cc-590 or cc-690? THANKS

the cc690 will not over power the studio 60'S. cc690 all the way

the cc690 will not over power the studio 60'S. cc690 all the way

Absolutely! Paradigm recommends the CC-690 with the 60's for a reason.

J.

Generically, it depends on your intended usage --

If you prefer home theater, general consensus seems to point to dipoles for more disperse, less directional sound (helps with environmental effects, feeling more like a part of the film/game as you can't rally pinpoint where your speakers are).

For multi-channel music, it seems most find direct firing bookshelf speakers more appealing (dipoles can "muddy" things a bit depending on your room/acoustics due to intentionally "bouncing around" the sound)

I use dipoles for games/movies, but go strictly 2 channel for critical music listening so it doesn't matter what rears I use; although I am certainly tempted to try out directs for my rears due to some room issues I have.

having said all that, I bet you'll be pleased with either choice, especially if you have some sort of room correction in your setup (audyssey, etc).

Excellent post!

J.

Just curious guys about a decision that I have to make!! I got quoted for the Klipsch RF-82 System(2 82's, RC-62, 2 RS-52's no sub) for $2100 canadian and the Paradigm Monitor 11 System(2 Monitor 11, CC-290, DSP 3200 and 2 Mini Monitors for rears) for $2800 Just curious what you guys would do and why or if I should look for better deals if this is a deal at all??

Thanks guys.

If you've heard both, why not let your ears be the judge. If you haven't heard both or either, you're nuts to part with that kind of money without doing your homework.

Another less expensive option would be to buy 2nd hand from Audiogon or other such site. Many users are from Canada and most of those folks take very good care of their gear. There's a pretty tight scale for grading the condition of the gear and a lot of users will let you audition them at their home or work before you buy. I've bought and sold a fair amount of gear at Audiogon and have always been pleased with the outcomes.

J.

Absolutely! Paradigm recommends the CC-690 with the 60's for a reason.

J.

How about a CC-690 with Studio 40s? I have a CC-590 with my Studio 40s, but am thinking about upgrading to a 690. However, I don't want it to overwhelm my 40s.

Thanks,
Lew

How about a CC-690 with Studio 40s? I have a CC-590 with my Studio 40s, but am thinking about upgrading to a 690. However, I don't want it to overwhelm my 40s.

Thanks,
Lew

The 40's will work with the 690 but I think the 590 would be a better fit. For my setup the 690 would have been way too large and would have looked silly centred between the 40s.

Just curious guys about a decision that I have to make!! I got quoted for the Klipsch RF-82 System(2 82's, RC-62, 2 RS-52's no sub) for $2100 canadian and the Paradigm Monitor 11 System(2 Monitor 11, CC-290, DSP 3200 and 2 Mini Monitors for rears) for $2800 Just curious what you guys would do and why or if I should look for better deals if this is a deal at all??

Thanks guys.

I ended up paying $3k CAD + taxes on my 690+60s as a package deal, if you're going to pay over 2.5k for Paradigm speakers, I couldn't imagine not going with the studios over the monitors. The monitor 11's are nice large speakers, but if you're going t be using a sub, I'd seriously look at the studio 20s, 590 and maybe 10's for surrounds.

the cc690 will not over power the studio 60'S. cc690 all the way

Just make sure you have room for the cc690, it is a BEAST. Got the call this afternoon while at work that my 60s + 690 arrived. Very awesome looking speakers with the rosenut finish!

How about a CC-690 with Studio 40s? I have a CC-590 with my Studio 40s, but am thinking about upgrading to a 690. However, I don't want it to overwhelm my 40s.

The 40's will work with the 690 but I think the 590 would be a better fit. For my setup the 690 would have been way too large and would have looked silly centred between the 40s.

Actually, the 40s and the 690 get along very nicely.
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0250.jpg
(sorry about the bad pic)
The sub is a Sig Servo, and there's a pair of 20s for surrounds. The front three are within 2db of each other as far as volume goes.

And before anyone comments, the grills are off only for the pic. They usually stay on, as these are v4s and Paradigm recommends they stay on... ;)
Yyes, the 690 is a beast of a speaker, and needs quite a bit of real estate, but boy is it worth it.

Actually, the 40s and the 690 get along very nicely.
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0250.jpg
(sorry about the bad pic)
The sub is a Sig Servo, and there's a pair of 20s for surrounds. The front three are within 2db of each other as far as volume goes.

And before anyone comments, the grills are off only for the pic. They usually stay on, as these are v4s and Paradigm recommends they stay on... ;)
Yyes, the 690 is a beast of a speaker, and needs quite a bit of real estate, but boy is it worth it.

Your setup does look good....but I felt for mine it wouldn't look quite right.

Nice setups guys! :)

Your setup does look good....but I felt for mine it wouldn't look quite right.

Agreed...unless you did some serious rearranging. Do you ever find your front end to be too close together? I haven't owned the 40's, but when I had my Studio 20's (v3) I found that they really blossomed when I moved them farther apart. Paradigm provides recommendations for spacing as compared to the listening distance, but at first glance your front end looks a bit crowded. With nice speakers like the 40's you could practically run a phantom center and drop your display right in-between.

J.

Actually, the 40s and the 690 get along very nicely.
The sub is a Sig Servo, and there's a pair of 20s for surrounds. The front three are within 2db of each other as far as volume goes.

And before anyone comments, the grills are off only for the pic. They usually stay on, as these are v4s and Paradigm recommends they stay on... ;)
Yyes, the 690 is a beast of a speaker, and needs quite a bit of real estate, but boy is it worth it.

Nice setup...is that a SXRD? Also, what's your CC resting on? Any chance you could get it up another inch or two (he, he...that's what she said)?

J.

Do you ever find your front end to be too close together?
Not really. It's a 60" screen, so there's a good bit of separation. Remember, in theaters, all 3 are behind the screen itself.

is that a SXRD?
Yep. It's the model just before they started supporting 1080p24. doh!
Actually, I'm thinking of selling the SXRD, because I found a local dealer with some Pioneer Kuro 141s left. Very tempting...

Any chance you could get it up another inch or two?

*facepalm*

Actually, since I took that pic, it has been raised about two inches, and angled right at the listening position.

Im building my second theatre room.. I am doing this myself putting all the knowledge Ive acquired from this board to use.

Just picked up millennia 20's for L/F/R.
Using adp 590's for the rear.
Driven by denon 2310.

My screen is coming in a day or 2. I think I got the last infocus X10 off TG they are sold out now.

Guys I want a sub thats gonna give me a hard attack..I like big subs in big cabinets...Something front firing, sub is gonna sit in the open so it has to look impressive as well. Application is movies 99 % off the time..

I dont wanna spend too much over $1k.

Velodyne, hsu, svs, epik, MFW-15 ( love the size)
rythymic, Paradigm...elemental designs..Something servo ?

Guys I have no knowledge of subs if I am missing any brands please fill me in..Basically I want my chest to pound.

Dimensions off the room 20'6" length by 14'6" width ceiling height is 8'6" . Keep in mind I dont listen to music in this room at all... I know all are pretty good ones ive mentioned since music listening is taken out which one is the one ?

Does anyone have any info on these?How big of a step above the monitors would they be?

I ended up paying $3k CAD + taxes on my 690+60s as a package deal, if you're going to pay over 2.5k for Paradigm speakers, I couldn't imagine not going with the studios over the monitors. The monitor 11's are nice large speakers, but if you're going t be using a sub, I'd seriously look at the studio 20s, 590 and maybe 10's for surrounds.



Just make sure you have room for the cc690, it is a BEAST. Got the call this afternoon while at work that my 60s + 690 arrived. Very awesome looking speakers with the rosenut finish!

Your shipment must have come in with mine. I got the call yesterday from Cox that my Signature S6's and Anthem D2v were in. Pics will follow when all set up. Have to transfer settings from my AVM50 to the D2v.

Agreed...unless you did some serious rearranging. Do you ever find your front end to be too close together? I haven't owned the 40's, but when I had my Studio 20's (v3) I found that they really blossomed when I moved them farther apart. Paradigm provides recommendations for spacing as compared to the listening distance, but at first glance your front end looks a bit crowded. With nice speakers like the 40's you could practically run a phantom center and drop your display right in-between.

J.

The pic does make it appear that everything is tight but I think there is decent spacing. However, this the unit my wife wanted and it was purchased primarily for the TV. My remains of my 2 channel stuff was in boxes in the basement as our young family left me no time for my hobby so I didn't plan for AV gear. Once the TV and 1080P upconverting DVD player came it did not take long to fuel the fire. All of a sudden new 40's arrived and the older Atoms I had moved to the back. This was followed by the RXV 3900 a week later. A couple of months running a phantom centre went by and then poof a CC590 arrived. The summer went by and then a DSP 3200 arrived. I would like to space the 40's wider but with the wall to wall stand I can't. This is why I couldn't buy floor standing Studio's. Once I get my stuff into the basement I will be able to lay it out properly. BTW I did run a phantom centre for a couple of months and it worked well unless you were sitting off axis. I should get an updated pic as I have done some tweaking to the setup. My last serious system which was back in the 90's was a pair of Paradigm Espirit Monitors powered by a NAD 7100/2100 combo running bridged mono with a Nakamichi deck, Thorens turntable, and Yamaha CD player completing the system. This was an amazing sounding system but was dismantled once I started working after university and moved into a small apartment. My plan is to build my HT downstairs so I eventually end up back at this level of sonic bliss.

Awesome...:)

I'm glad you're enjoying it...you certainly have some nice gear! Good luck with the lower level setup and thanks for sharing your voyage.

J.

Your shipment must have come in with mine. I got the call yesterday from Cox that my Signature S6's and Anthem D2v were in. Pics will follow when all set up. Have to transfer settings from my AVM50 to the D2v.

Ahh nice! Wish I could afford the sigs, but they are definitely out of my price range. It was a streth on the 60s/690 :P I know I'm very happy with my new speakers and I'd imagine with a beast like the d2v + the sig 6's, you will be too!

Thanks osofast and jason i guess it will be the 690 then which is what i wanted in the first place the appearence of that speaker is just stunning and sound quality has to be surpurb. Darthv i will be using my BDI strata audio stand to hold the centerTHANKS FOR THE HELP GUYS.

Hi guys, I am a long time member but seldom post. My setup consists of Signiture S4's, C3, and SA-35's (4) for surrounds, and an SVS PB12 plus/2. It sounds fantastic, but the upgrade bug has hit and I need your input. I know the S8's would be the most logical upgrade, but they are out of my price range right now. I am considering the Studio 100's. Is this an upgrade over the S4's or should I just keep my current system until I can swing the S8's? Would the C3 mate well with the Studios?

Hi guys, I am a long time member but seldom post. My setup consists of Signiture S4's, C3, and SA-35's (4) for surrounds, and an SVS PB12 plus/2. It sounds fantastic, but the upgrade bug has hit and I need your input. I know the S8's would be the most logical upgrade, but they are out of my price range right now. I am considering the Studio 100's. Is this an upgrade over the S4's or should I just keep my current system until I can swing the S8's? Would the C3 mate well with the Studios?

lol no thats definately not considered an upgrade. Do yourself a favor and when the funds allow get the S8's or even the S6's. Or just keep on enjoying the S4's :)

Hi guys, I am a long time member but seldom post. My setup consists of Signiture S4's, C3, and SA-35's (4) for surrounds, and an SVS PB12 plus/2. It sounds fantastic, but the upgrade bug has hit and I need your input. I know the S8's would be the most logical upgrade, but they are out of my price range right now. I am considering the Studio 100's. Is this an upgrade over the S4's or should I just keep my current system until I can swing the S8's? Would the C3 mate well with the Studios?

I agree with Bigred except keep in mind that the S8's are huge and unless you have the room to let them breathe, go with the S6's. I considered the S8's until I actually saw a pair and ended up going with the S6's and couldn't be happier, but even these are large. My room is 16 x 24.

The 100's are a great speaker, but your S4's are phenominal!

Thanks for the responses. I guess I knew my current system was superior, but it helps to get a different perspective. My room is 16ft x 25ft, do you think that is too small to do the S8's justice?

Thanks for the responses. I guess I knew my current system was superior, but it helps to get a different perspective. My room is 16ft x 25ft, do you think that is too small to do the S8's justice?

It is very close to the size of my room and the S6's are plenty for it. My ceilings are quite low as well so that would definitely make a difference. Remember, the S8's are significantly deeper (I think they are 21" deep), and these should sit out from your wall by at least a foot and maybe more, putting the front of your speaker out 3 ft or more from you front wall.

Here are a few pics of my system. Thanks again for the input.

Anyone care to share the contact info on a dealer that will sell a set of 3 Studio or Signature speakers. I really want my center to match the L/R but am having no luck buying an odd count.

Thanks in advance.

Here are a few pics of my system. Thanks again for the input.

Nice system !

Anyone care to share the contact info on a dealer that will sell a set of 3 Studio or Signature speakers. I really want my center to match the L/R but am having no luck buying an odd count.

Thanks in advance.

There's an audiogon listing now for 3 studio 20 v.4s

How much difference can I expect to hear between Studio 40's and S4's?

There's an audiogon listing now for 3 studio 20 v.4s

Yeah, at a pretty ridiculous price...$1050 for the trio. That's $750/pr.

J.

Just curious guys about a decision that I have to make!! I got quoted for the Klipsch RF-82 System(2 82's, RC-62, 2 RS-52's no sub) for $2100 canadian and the Paradigm Monitor 11 System(2 Monitor 11, CC-290, DSP 3200 and 2 Mini Monitors for rears) for $2800 Just curious what you guys would do and why or if I should look for better deals if this is a deal at all??
Thanks guys.
I ended up paying $3k CAD + taxes on my 690+60s as a package deal, if you're going to pay over 2.5k for Paradigm speakers, I couldn't imagine not going with the studios over the monitors. The monitor 11's are nice large speakers, but if you're going t be using a sub, I'd seriously look at the studio 20s, 590 and maybe 10's for surrounds.

Just make sure you have room for the cc690, it is a BEAST. Got the call this afternoon while at work that my 60s + 690 arrived. Very awesome looking speakers with the rosenut finish!

Yeah the Monitor series is JUNK! Compared to the Studio series, it sounds muffled, like there is a blanket covering the speakers. :rolleyes: They have less than $100 worth of drivers in them. Even though the Studio series will cost you almost double for a complete 5.1 set, you should buy studio series instead.
^^^
Of course I am being sarcastic above, quoting what others have said on this board. I can't believe how much the Monitor series gets such a bad rap on this board. I've been on other boards where people are praising the sound quality vs. a lot of other stuff in their price range. To make a comment like they sound muffled with a blanket over them, is a little extreme. I have a complete set with CC-290 and DSP-3200 woofers and they sound clear to me in movies and music. I know there is better speakers out there for higher price, but the Monitor series is far from junk.

I've been following this thread since its inception and I don't think I've ever seen anybody refer to the Monitor Series as junk. Sure, they're not as nice as the Studios, but why would anybody expect them to be? If you like your Monitors, that's all that should matter. I don't think anybody is bad-mouthing your speakers.

J.

Yeah the Monitor series is JUNK! Compared to the Studio series, it sounds muffled, like there is a blanket covering the speakers. :rolleyes: They have less than $100 worth of drivers in them. Even though the Studio series will cost you almost double for a complete 5.1 set, you should buy studio series instead.
^^^
Of course I am being sarcastic above, quoting what others have said on this board. I can't believe how much the Monitor series gets such a bad rap on this board. I've been on other boards where people are praising the sound quality vs. a lot of other stuff in their price range. To make a comment like they sound muffled with a blanket over them, is a little extreme. I have a complete set with CC-290 and DSP-3200 woofers and they sound clear to me in movies and music. I know there is better speakers out there for higher price, but the Monitor series is far from junk.

I didn't mean the monitor line was junk, but you would get better quality with that same sub with a pair of studio 20s than the somewhat similarly priced monitor 11's.

$1900US for the monitor 11's + cc290

vs

$2100US for the studio 20's + cc490 (plus stand cost on the 20s)

For not much more money, his front soundstage will be much improved, that's my point.

Can someone let me the differences there are between the studio v4 and v5. I can get a Studio 40 for around $900 shipped or I can get a Studio 20 Shipped for $870. So I am wondering which one is better.

^ where are you seeing those prices?

Anyone care to share the contact info on a dealer that will sell a set of 3 Studio or Signature speakers. I really want my center to match the L/R but am having no luck buying an odd count.

Thanks in advance.

Why is your dealer not selling you an odd count? They are priced on a per speaker basis and the last dealer I spoke with regarding ordering 5 Studio 20s for a 5.1 system checked and it was all OK.

What do adp-590 v5's go for? I got a pair at a good deal and am going to get rid of them to raise some cash. Perfect with warranty, what should I list them for?

Why is your dealer not selling you an odd count? They are priced on a per speaker basis and the last dealer I spoke with regarding ordering 5 Studio 20s for a 5.1 system checked and it was all OK.

Because technically they are not supposed to be sold in singles. Yes they are priced as singles, but several manufacturers do this. If you found a dealer to do this good for you, but most wont as they can get in trouble for it.

Yes the Studios are now available in gloss black. If you look through thr paradigm cedia photos you can actually see a few models in gloss black :)
Thanks for the info!

Yeah, at a pretty ridiculous price...$1050 for the trio. That's $750/pr.

J.

Yup, but the list price vs "willing to sell at" price may not be the same. Either way, just passing along the info. Good luck video!

If anyone needs a pair of ADP-390's shoot me a PM. I didn't realize I should get the 590's instead so am selling the 390s prior to upgrading. They're unopened and black in color.
thx

^ where are you seeing those prices?

I found them online both are new.. so looking for pro and cons.. I get the studio 40 v4 if there wasn't much of a difference between v4 and v5 in the Studio lines.

That is encouraging but since I have a pair of v.3 100's was looking to round that out or go to a set of 3 S6's I will still be waiting.



There's an audiogon listing now for 3 studio 20 v.4s

I found them online both are new.. so looking for pro and cons.. I get the studio 40 v4 if there wasn't much of a difference between v4 and v5 in the Studio lines.

The v.5's have the G-Pal tweeter which are the same as in the Signature v.1's, I believe it's an upgrade over the v.4's tweeters.

That is encouraging but since I have a pair of v.3 100's was looking to round that out or go to a set of 3 S6's I will still be waiting.

I just got a pair of S6 V2's for an incredible deal and couldn't be happier. They replace my S2 V2's which are now being used as surrounds. If you are not set on the new V3's there are some fantastic deals out there on the V2's.

The v.5's have the G-Pal tweeter which are the same as in the Signature v.1's, I believe it's an upgrade over the v.4's tweeters.

v4s have the G-Pal tweeter. primary difference is the cabinets

I just got a pair of S6 V2's

Post pics or it didn't happen :D

Nice choice, let us know how you like them.

Yeah, at a pretty ridiculous price...$1050 for the trio. That's $750/pr.

J.

That would be expensive or cheap?

Anyone in the Las Vegas area knows what Paradigm dealer has closeout sales? I'm heading there in a couple of weeks and looking forward to pick up sonmethig on the cheap if possible.

The v.5's have the G-Pal tweeter which are the same as in the Signature v.1's, I believe it's an upgrade over the v.4's tweeters.

Ok now I am understanding the differences or possible differences. I knew the cabinet was rounded to prevent unwanted waves, which is standard in many other speakers. And there is a question if the tweeter is an upgrade from the Signature series.

The other thought is to pick up a used pair of Signature series S2s v1. The version one can be had for alittle over 1k. Again I am not sure of the differences between Signature S2 and Studio 20 v4 or studio v5.

I found this from the PR for v5.. doesn't so like there is too much of a difference at least from this..

Technology Advances

Paradigm has long been known for outfitting its speakers with midrange and bass drive units that are virtually free of unwanted vibrational resonances, cone standing waves and micro distortions. The new Studio v.5 line is no exception. On bass/midrange and bass drivers, Paradigm engages advanced Santoprene® rubber suspensions with a new elliptical shape, allowing the speakers to achieve even lower levels of distortion, with deeper and louder overall bass performance. High-hysteresis and progressive damping isolate and eliminate "edge-hole" distortion, while linearity is the finest Paradigm has ever achieved in this series.

Design Advances

The curved, modern look of the cabinetry in the Studio v.5 line doesn't just add a refined elegance to the next generation of Paradigm's award-winning speaker line. The curved enclosures also help solve the problems of unwanted internal sound reflections and edge diffraction that have long been associated with rectangular cabinets. Studio v.5 speakers are also treated to seven coats of the highest-quality lacquer, which is hand-sanded in between coats. The rich, deep wood grains are evident across models.

The cabinet tops, bottoms and baffles are MDF (medium density fiberboard) construction with critically placed internal bracing. The high-tech Permacote Linacoustic damping material helps to subdue any stray internal cabinet resonances and vibrations.

New outrigger feet with optional spikes and stability cradles are carefully sculpted to fit flush with the new floorstanding and cabinet-style center-channel models. These bronze-colored, bullet-shaped trimmings add a new level of stability and visual appeal to the Studio Series. New redesigned removable grille assemblies ensure the speakers sound every bit as clean and transparent with the grilles on or off.

Signature .v1 has much beefier drivers then the Studio .v4 or .v5.

The Tweeter in the .v1 Sig is not the same as the Studios either... it may look the same on the outside, but I have removed both and seen them first hand, the dome is the same but not the tweeter itself - heavier build quality on the Sigs.

The Mid/bass driver on the Sig .v1 is very heavy, much larger magnet and has a solid pole phase plug,Studio .v4 has solid phase plug for mid range, studio .v5 does not - its a dust cap made to look like a phase plug.

IMO the .v4 and .v5 have a very close sound, but the Sig is still a better sounding and more refined then either of the studio lines.. I own the .v4 full lineup and .v1 Sig S4 and C3.

Post pics or it didn't happen :D

Nice choice, let us know how you like them.

Here you go.

More pics of S6, C3 and S2's.

I know we are not supposed to discuss actual prices, but maybe someone can PM me an answer. A lot of people seem to be getting better deals, then what me and one of my friends, have been able to get at my dealer.

After looking at the Paradigm price lists, my dealer seems to only give at most, 5% off MSRP. Every time we go in the store, they say the price is set, and Paradigm doesn't allow discounting. They are also the only Paradigm dealer within 300 miles. You would think in this hard economic time, they would offer better deals and want to make a sale. But they also know they are the only dealer around. My friend wanted to buy a full 5.1 set - Studio 60's, CC-590, ADP-590. But the prices he was given was no more than 5% off MSRP, which is a lot more than anyone else here has been quoted.

What do you do in this situation?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=154169&d=1254427966

Very nice Bluemark... great looking setup....
Hope you get your D2v back quickly.... Thanks for posting pics
That Moon Titan amp looks like a beast sittin all alone over there.. :D

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=154169&d=1254427966

Very nice Bluemark... great looking setup....
Hope you get your D2v back quickly.... Thanks for posting pics
That Moon Titan amp looks like a beast sittin all alone over there.. :D

Thanks! How did you get the pic to show up in the display like that?

Whenever you reply, there are little buttons on top of the reply window, you then copy the link you posted into the area that pops up and hit ok... see the little yellow looking landscape button? hover over it - it says insert image... click it, paste your link, it will show the image then... you can use those tools to post links to web pages with the paper clip one, or copy images from the web with the image link.

FYI -

I re-ran audyssey and it just looks like my speakers might have just been too bright in my room without it engaged. Combine that with the fear of something being wrong and I made up the problem. Audio hypochondriac

Whenever you reply, there are little buttons on top of the reply window, you then copy the link you posted into the area that pops up and hit ok... see the little yellow looking landscape button? hover over it - it says insert image... click it, paste your link, it will show the image then... you can use those tools to post links to web pages with the paper clip one, or copy images from the web with the image link.

still don't get it. It comes up and asks for a URL of the site. I don't know how to get that. I only know how to do it how I did.

If the photos are on a webserver, you can just use and tags around the url.

Not sure if anyone has tried 'em out yet, but I just got a pair of Studio 10s for my office. I'm using them for both casual listening as well as audio/video editing. I'm driving them with a NAD C326BEE, and have a Sunfire True sub running along side of them. The 10s are running full range, and the sub is crossed over somewhere around 60-70hz.

Impressions: Visually, they're nice. Very nice. Their footprint is a bit bigger than I expected. I plan on building a pair of small, about 8", stands for them.
Sound quality? What can I say... They're Paradigm Studio Series! Great sound from a little box, and they go deeper than I expected. I was thinking 80-100hz for the crossover, but wound up a bit deeper. The NAD will put out 80w a side, and the 10s will take every bit of it. If you do plan on pushing these little guys, cross 'em over, not like I did and run full range.
Listening to Alison Krauss+Union Station's New Favorite SACD was a pleasure. All the detail and imaging you expect from the now legendary 20s, are packed in there.
Dislikes? Hmmm... Don't have any yet, but out of the box, they did sound a bit, well, boxy. They've since opened up and are a pleasure to listen to.

So, if you have a small room or an office, these guys won't let you down. I would even consider them as direct radiating surrounds or rear channels, or heck... both. Running them 2ch, you might want at least some sort of sub.
Here's my desk with them on it. The color is a bit strange and it's actually 2 pics together... Sorry.
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/studio10.jpg
Oh, did I mention my desk is a mess too?

If the photos are on a webserver, you can just use and tags around the url.

My photos are just on my hard drive, so I'm not sure if I can do that.

You can upload pictures to a place like photobucket.com - its a free webhosting service...

But like I said, if you copy the link of your pics in your post (right click on it instead of clicking it, you can then press the copy command, then when you click on the insert image, you can do a ctrl -v or right click in that area and hit paste - it will work, because its right here on the AVS server...

Here you go.

EXCELLENT! :) Beautiful setup! Congrats

I know we are not supposed to discuss actual prices, but maybe someone can PM me an answer. A lot of people seem to be getting better deals, then what me and one of my friends, have been able to get at my dealer.

After looking at the Paradigm price lists, my dealer seems to only give at most, 5% off MSRP. Every time we go in the store, they say the price is set, and Paradigm doesn't allow discounting. They are also the only Paradigm dealer within 300 miles. You would think in this hard economic time, they would offer better deals and want to make a sale. But they also know they are the only dealer around. My friend wanted to buy a full 5.1 set - Studio 60's, CC-590, ADP-590. But the prices he was given was no more than 5% off MSRP, which is a lot more than anyone else here has been quoted.

What do you do in this situation?

5%...Tell the dealer to go screw himself...seriously.

You should be able to get 15-20% off from your dealer. I often get 25% off because I have a good long-standing relationship with my local B&M. Additionally, I get the typical 30-day in-home trial and full price back towards a new purchase within a year. Dealers aren't doing you a favor by carrying Paradigm...they're there to carry the product for you. If your dealer isn't willing to work with you on the price, take your business elsewhere and let your dealer know that you're doing so. Find a dealer in another city and go visit a friend and buy from that dealer. Money is money and that's that.

J.

Here you go.

Hey, those look exactly like my speakers.:D

Enjoy, You got a great setup......

Hey, those look exactly like my speakers.:D

Enjoy, You got a great setup......

Thanks ILKER! I went from the S2's, which I loved to the S6's not thinking I would gain a whole lot, but wow, these are unbelievable. The S2's are now my surrounds. Can't wait to get my D2v to get everything setup properly.

More pics of S6, C3 and S2's.

What mounting bracket did you use for the S2s? BTW.. nice set up...

What mounting bracket did you use for the S2s? BTW.. nice set up...

Thanks! The brackets are by B-Tech. I added a piece on the bottom and screwed it into the speaker base inserts to ensure I don't come home to a disaster. It spans the bottom of the bracket and secures the speaker in place as the brackets themselves are just friction fit to the sides and where the S2's are front heavy, I would be nervous relying on the friction fit alone.

I have a 7.1 Paradigm surround system, but my question is more general in nature. I was watching Transporter 3 on blu-ray tonight and noticed that during a lot of the dialogue there was a hiss coming from the center channel. It wasn't noticeable in anything but dialogue, and not even during all dialogue. I believe I've noticed this in other movies as well, and on other systems.

Is a slight hiss during audio common? It's not a speaker problem is it? Rather a function of the movie?

Appreciate any help!

5%...Tell the dealer to go screw himself...seriously.

You should be able to get 15-20% off from your dealer. I often get 25% off because I have a good long-standing relationship with my local B&M. Additionally, I get the typical 30-day in-home trial and full price back towards a new purchase within a year. Dealers aren't doing you a favor by carrying Paradigm...they're there to carry the product for you. If your dealer isn't willing to work with you on the price, take your business elsewhere and let your dealer know that you're doing so. Find a dealer in another city and go visit a friend and buy from that dealer. Money is money and that's that.

J.

Yep, 5% is awfully low. I ended up getting prices that were around 20-25% off just from phoning dealers in another city.

I have a 7.1 Paradigm surround system, but my question is more general in nature. I was watching Transporter 3 on blu-ray tonight and noticed that during a lot of the dialogue there was a hiss coming from the center channel. It wasn't noticeable in anything but dialogue, and not even during all dialogue. I believe I've noticed this in other movies as well, and on other systems.

Is a slight hiss during audio common? It's not a speaker problem is it? Rather a function of the movie?

Appreciate any help!

could you have a ground loop issue? Did you hook up another speaker to it to confirm that there is something in the feed and not a issue with the speaker?

Yep, 5% is awfully low. I ended up getting prices that were around 20-25% off just from phoning dealers in another city.

B&W dealer here wouldn't give me any discount of there 685s. They wanted $650 for them. I couldn't believe I couldn't get anything off the price.