Heres a link for some prices,

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm
:D

What were the prices on the Studio 60 v2s? I didn't realize there was a price increase from v2 to v3. Glad I asked now but I'm still curious to know the differences.

Just joining this thread as I picked mine up (Studio 60s, v3) and have had them for a whole night :D. In love, just a pity how many recordings aren't up to snuff :(. However, I have heard a few things in recordings that went previously unnoticed.

So...now I have two new agendas:

1) Find a sub to compliment them

2) Find a surround and center that will match but won't cost as much as the Studio surrounds. I don't listen to movies often enough or at high enough volumes to warrant spending more on the Studio center and surrounds than I did on the towers themselves.

So...any suggestions? :D

Just joining this thread as I picked mine up (Studio 60s, v3) and have had them for a whole night :D. In love, just a pity how many recordings aren't up to snuff :(. However, I have heard a few things in recordings that went previously unnoticed.

So...now I have two new agendas:

1) Find a sub to compliment them

2) Find a surround and center that will match but won't cost as much as the Studio surrounds. I don't listen to movies often enough or at high enough volumes to warrant spending more on the Studio center and surrounds than I did on the towers themselves.



So...any suggestions? :D

DreamWarrior: Maybe you can answer the questions Sendero and I have about S60s
Do U know the differences between the 60 v2 and the 60 v3 both musically and price difference.

I know the v3 price list between 1900 Cdn and 1700US but retail far less but do not know fair market value.

Equipment:

Paradigm:
Studio-V100 V3
CC 570 V3
Studio-V40 V3
Servo 15

Electronics:
Aragon Stage1
Aragon 3002
Aragon 3005
Elite 59Avi

Things sound good in San Diego

DreamWarrior: Maybe you can answer the questions Sendero and I have about S60s
Do U know the differences between the 60 v2 and the 60 v3 both musically and price difference.

I know the v3 price list between 1900 Cdn and 1700US but retail far less but do not know fair market value.

As you might surmise, the V3 is a refinement of the technology in the V2. The biggest difference between the two versions is the midrange driver, which is a completely new design in the V3. As to whether or not you think the V3 is better than the V2 can only be decided by you and your ears. They are both highly regarded speakers.

Here's some reviews that may help with your questions about the differences between the V2 and V3.

http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/1204paradigm/
http://www.stereophile.com/loudspeakerreviews/105paradigm/

About price. Paradigm only distributes through authorized dealers, so you're not likely to get more than 5-10% off if you barter. Buying a speaker package helps give you leverage.

Equipment:

Paradigm:
Studio-V100 V3
CC 570 V3
Studio-V40 V3
Servo 15

Electronics:
Aragon Stage1
Aragon 3002
Aragon 3005
Elite 59Avi

Things sound good in San Diego

Nice set up. :)

I am going to check out some Paradigms this week, as I have never seen/heard them. I guess this will be my first "real" set of home theater speakers. I have hear great things about Paradigm, but I have a couple questions....

Will I be able to find a set of Paradigms that fit my budget of around $2k? I need the complete 7.1 setup, including floorstanding fronts. Is this possible?

Should I go with a Paradigm sub, assuming I get Paradigm for the other speakers? Or, is there another brand of subs that is better?

Thanks for the advice,
Andy

I am going to check out some Paradigms this week, as I have never seen/heard them. I guess this will be my first "real" set of home theater speakers. I have hear great things about Paradigm, but I have a couple questions....

Will I be able to find a set of Paradigms that fit my budget of around $2k? I need the complete 7.1 setup, including floorstanding fronts. Is this possible?

Should I go with a Paradigm sub, assuming I get Paradigm for the other speakers? Or, is there another brand of subs that is better?

Thanks for the advice,
Andy

You may want to visit the Paradigm website and look at the packages for the Monitor series. I think doing this will help you get a better overview of the packages and what's within your budget. Assuming, your fixed on floorstanders for the fronts, you may want to start there and add a center to start, then work your way to the surrounds.

Depending on your sub budget, most on this forum will start to echo SVS and Hsu for best value/performance for the money - I think they're right. I feel Paradigm also makes some good subs. Their website will us give you an overview.

You may want to visit the Paradigm website and look at the packages for the Monitor series. I think doing this will help you get a better overview of the packages and what's within your budget. Assuming, your fixed on floorstanders for the fronts, you may want to start there and add a center to start, then work your way to the surrounds.

Depending on your sub budget, most on this forum will start to echo SVS and Hsu for best value/performance for the money - I think they're right. I feel Paradigm also makes some good subs. Their website will us give you an overview.

I didn't notice any prices on their website, but maybe I just missed them. I have to return some speaker wire to the shop anyways, so I'll check into the Paradigms while I am there.

Thanks.

Paradigm Loudspeakers
CC-70 Center
Atom V.2 Main
ADP-170 Surrounds

Other Vendor Speakers
Phase Technology Power 12 Sub Woofer

Electronics
Sherwood RVD-9090 Receiver
Pioneer CLD-59 Laserdisc and RFD-1 Demodulator
JVC HRS-5902 VCR
R-10 DirecTivo
Philips 27PT830H 27" HDTV Monitor

I purchased the loudspeakers and receiver between 1997 and 1999 when I worked at the Stereo Trading Outlet in Jenkintown. All the tweeters match but the woofers in the CC-70 are a little smaller than the Atom woofers. I know there is some sort of timbre mismatch but I can't detect it watching every television.

It's a nice system then when permitted fills my living room with plenty of sound. These days the hardest workout it gets is a nice surround effect from "Baby Einsteins" on the Disney channel.

Regards,

I didn't notice any prices on their website, but maybe I just missed them. I have to return some speaker wire to the shop anyways, so I'll check into the Paradigms while I am there.

Thanks.

Oh yes sajandrew, sorry about that, they don't post prices there (I was thinking of something else in terms of prices).

While you are there, listen to some bookshelf speakers (monitors and studios series) with a sub and see if you like the sound. Some folks are fully satisfied with that type of set-up, and don't require floorstanding front speakers. Have fun.

I have:

Front: Studio 40's
Back: Studio 20's
Center: LCR 450
Back C: Cinema 90

I am looking to upgrade from my old crappy sub to a Paradigm.
I am looking at a Seismic 10, but is the difference in the 12 worth it?
Unfortunatelly my dealer does not have any in stock for me to hear.
Also is the Servo 15 too much for my room?
Money is not the issue.

Thanks for any advice.

How come so few are using the ADP surrounds? Is it really that better to use studio 20's and 40's for the back speakers?

How come so few are using the ADP surrounds? Is it really that better to use studio 20's and 40's for the back speakers?

Depending on tastes, many choose direct radiators vs dipoles. ALot could also depend on room constraints as well...Personally my HT doubles as my M/C music setup as well, and for 5.1 music I highly prefer direct radiators to polars....

[QUOTE=TVDaveR]I have:

Front: Studio 40's
Back: Studio 20's
Center: LCR 450
Back C: Cinema 90

I am looking to upgrade from my old crappy sub to a Paradigm.
I am looking at a Seismic 10, but is the difference in the 12 worth it?
Unfortunatelly my dealer does not have any in stock for me to hear.
Also is the Servo 15 too much for my room?
Money is not the issue.

Dave: Just a friendly tip...think about the question you just asked "...too much for my room?" So your room is a 10X12 bedroom...or your room is a ballroom in a formal room with crystal chandeliers and is 30'X 80'. We have no idea about this room, so how can we even start to give a credible recommendation? ;)
Please try back. A close estimate would even be good...is it open...closed...heavy furniture or bare floors and walls?

Fronts: Monitor 9 v4
Center: CC370 v4
Surround: ADP350
Sub: PS1200
Receiver: Denon 2805
Room: 22 feet X 14 feet
Front speakers are bi-wired.

Sound: Awesome

Ya your right

My room is 13 X20 with a fireplace on one end and the stairs going up on the other side. My system is on the side wall.
The walls are drywall over concrete and carpet on the concrete with no underlay.

I know it is not ideal but it is all I have at this time.

Dave-

Your room is not that big, though some of the "openings" are not ideal. If you listen to >60% music, then I'd go with the Seismic 10 (a great choice IMHO), but if you are doing >60% movies and LIKE "boom-boom," then you would be smilin' big, I'm sure, with the Seismic 12. I think the Seismic 12 is going to be loud and low in your application.

Dave-

Your room is not that big, though some of the "openings" are not ideal. If you listen to >60% music, then I'd go with the Seismic 10 (a great choice IMHO), but if you are doing >60% movies and LIKE "boom-boom," then you would be smilin' big, I'm sure, with the Seismic 12. I think the Seismic 12 is going to be loud and low in your application.

What are you driving your system with?

I would lean toward the 12.

The 15 would be too much unless you want your HT to sound like a Civic with 3 15" subs in the hatch. :D

The 15 would be too much unless you want your HT to sound like a Civic with 3 15" subs in the hatch. :D

I fail to understand the reasoning behind this statement. Properly calibrated, the Servo 15 will sound like a lesser subwoofer, except it will go a lot lower and will play more loudly before compression.

If the room gain from a smaller room is overly accentuating very low frequencies, a high quality parametric EQ can be purchased for ~$300 to adjust the sound accordingly. This will give even more headroom in a smaller room!

If you are in a TINY room, then yes, you can get too large of a subwoofer. In any normal room, I wouldn't worry about subwoofer overkill...

I fail to understand the reasoning behind this statement. Properly calibrated, the Servo 15 will sound like a lesser subwoofer, except it will go a lot lower and will play more loudly before compression.

If the room gain from a smaller room is overly accentuating very low frequencies, a high quality parametric EQ can be purchased for ~$300 to adjust the sound accordingly. This will give even more headroom in a smaller room!

If you are in a TINY room, then yes, you can get too large of a subwoofer. In any normal room, I wouldn't worry about subwoofer overkill...

I guess it depends on your definition of "tiny" and what you like to hear.

Granted the majority of the people on this forum are not the average HT Joe but, how many do you think are actually going to buy, and spend the time tweaking with a parametric EQ?

Overkill? no. Waste? maybe.

What's the point of having a car that goes 200mph if you rarely drive over 55 if it costs more than a car that will do 100mph which will cover your 55mph driving style and occasional speed fix?

And I never said a Civic with 3 15" in the hatch sounded bad. Although I only have 3 JL Audio 8" in the hatch of my car.

...

Any suggestions on where to buy?
Depends. Where do you live?

A week ago I decided to upgrade my speakers, and originally set a budget of $800 for a 5.1 setup, minus the sub (keeping mine, Sony 120w). My budget has since changed a bit.. :D

I picked up some Paradigm Studio 60 V2 towers (w/cherry veneer) V2 Mini Monitors locally from craigslist. The Monitors even came with some very sturdy stands. I bought them from someone who went with Paradigm in-walls for the WAF. I got a really good demo before buying, and after setting them up here I've gone through scenes from The Matrix, Monsters, Inc., and watched The Rock CE. I am amazed at the level of bass these things put out, I actually had to turn off my sub! I'm in an apartment until this summer, so I won't be able to appreciate them on a regular basis until I move. I was hesitant to get such heavy towers knowing I'd have to move them, but I got a good deal on all four speakers (and monitor stands). I know it'd be very hard to beat the quality for the price, too.

Soooo now I need to find a matching center! Unless I can get a steal on the Studio CC-570, I'll probably go with the Studio CC-470. Any suggestions on where to buy?

Aargh, I think you got the set I was planning to buy. I had been talking to the guy on Friday and though he said he was going to put them on craigslist I was thinking he'd let me know before he sold them (he was thinking I was going to get back to him if I wanted them) and so I lost out on them. It's been one of those weekends where I didn't have a chance to get back to him until today and apparently you go there first. You got a screaming deal on them and I hope you enjoy them.

For the center channel, check out audiogon.com and see if you can find one there. For local places you can try Definitive Audio but, knowing what you paid on the ones you just bought, the CC470 is going to cost you about 300 less than you paid today.

I'm jealous. You got the speakers I wanted. Oh well, I'll keep looking or maybe take a trip up to Canada for some new ones...

...

I read all the Paradigm threads especially the Studio Monitor threads as I own 2 pair myself (studio monitor 100's and 20's) I originally bought the CC-470 and I was really happy with it but I would sit and stare at it wondering what I was missing with the 570. I developed such a bad case of buyers remorse that I bought the 570 and ebayed the 470. It was definitely worth the extra money, it produces dialog like you would not believe and I gotta tell you I run mine off a Rotel 5 channel amp it sounds fantastic. I love watching the jaws drop when I demo my stuff, get the 570 in the long run you will be glad you did!

Guess the diff is only $200 list price. Probably worth it on a system in this price range anyways.


Here's another question - What sub (from any manufacturer)would go well with Studio 60s in a 5.1 setup?

...

I had an SVS PB12 with Studio 60s (now 100s) and they sounded very good together, but I don't have much experience with comparing that sub with any others with the 60s.

get the 570 in the long run you will be glad you did!



How much power are you sending to that 570? I have had mine for a few weeks now, (matched with 20v3s) and can say that it sounds better than the 470, although I only auditioned the latter in the showroom.

Also I too prefer the sound of Paradigm + Rotel, the combo, in my setup, rolls off the highs enough to prevent those "movies for guys who like movies" soundtracks from getting too much out of hand.

I use a 5 channel Rotel 1055, which sends 75 watts to each speaker. I was afraid the 570 might have been more boomy than the 470 in my room, but actually it seems I'm getting the opposite effect. I am wondering if the larger center, like the 100s, need more current to output decent bass?

One thing's for sure, I know now that I prefer the Paradigms that use a midrange. So this summer I plan on upgrading to the 100s, (which means I will have to switch to my Aragon stereo amp for L/Rs).

Ok, got some questions but first my setup:

Outlaw 1050 receiver
CC370
monitor 7's
adp370's
ps1000 sub All speakers version 4.

So, I like all these speakers except the cc370 and find it to be boxy sometimes as others have mentioned. Would it be ok to upgrade to the cc570 or 470 and keep all the rest of the speakers? I just don't want a huge difference in timber matching up front but I want that clarity that the cc570 offers.

Paradigm's website states that all the speakers can be used together but that they're even more matched within each series. If anyone has a setup like this please advise. I could upgrade to the 20's or 40's but would those really beat monitor 7 towers???

thanks!

Steve

Guess the diff is only $200 list price. Probably worth it on a system in this price range anyways.


Here's another question - What sub (from any manufacturer)would go well with Studio 60s in a 5.1 setup?

Get the 570 if you can.

I'm using the Vdyne SPL1200R sub with my 60s. Did an in home comparison with the Seismic 12. Preferred the Vdyne and the added gimmicks it has over the S12.

Get the 570 if you can.

I'm using the Vdyne SPL1200R sub with my 60s. Did an in home comparison with the Seismic 12. Preferred the Vdyne and the added gimmicks it has over the S12.

Thanks, I'll have to try that one out. Right now i am demo'ing some magnepan MMGWs (ordered them on the 60 day trial before I settled on the Studio 60s) and have to say they're kinda interesting. Using a Definitive 12" sub and they sound pretty good. Right now I'm just using a Panny XR55s and was planning to get a Denon 2106 but I managed to get a open box 3805 for only $650 at a local store. Figure it'll be worth it for the small price increase.

My end system is shaping up to be :
Panny AE900
Denon 3805
Paradigm Studio 60 v3
Paradigm CC-570
Paradigm Mini-monitors
Sub to be determined

I'm new here, is this Paradigm thread still going, if so where do I get the latest entries. Well I'm here, is there really a lot of difference between studio 60s v2 VS 60s v3? And, what would be better 60s v3 fronts with surrounds being s20v2 or s60v2? Or would 60s v2 be overkill for the surrounds? And finally if I got an amp later any suggestions on wpc, dual or multi, and brand? I realize a lot of this is subjective but we all have opinions.



I'm the writer of the above, I would appreciate opinions on my questions, I'm just trying to get some input. Thanks all.

I'm the writer of the above, I would appreciate opinions on my questions, I'm just trying to get some input. Thanks all.

I'm a bit new myself, but I'll take a shot (i know this is just my thoughts so you should probably judge for yourself):

I'd think that 60s would be overkill for the surrounds. 20s would probably work just fine and you may even consider the mini-monitors as well.

For an amp, the quality is going to be more than just wpc rating. From what I've learned in a short time, you're probably going to be looking at a Denon or HK amp in the $5-700 range although some people think the Panasonic XR55 is a lot for only ~$230 from amazon.

For the v2 vs v3 question, the only way to tell is to listen. I would bet you can find plenty of people on each side of the debate. All that matters is your ears though.

I'm the writer of the above, I would appreciate opinions on my questions, I'm just trying to get some input. Thanks all.
I'm not really sure what you mean by getting "the latest entries".. There's a way to subscribe to the thread if that's what you mean.

In general, the V3s have a different driver (mentioned several times in this thread), but the difference is not immense. If you can use 60s for surrounds and have the space for it, great. Otherwise, the 20s or ADP-470s would work well also.

If you're getting the 60s for surrounds though, be sure you have nothing worse than a CC-570, as that's much more important than great surrounds.

Can someone pick up my question from above too? If I get the cc570 it'll probably be tomorrow...

thanks!

Can someone pick up my question from above too? If I get the cc570 it'll probably be tomorrow...

thanks!

This only comes from my own personal experience with the 570. It is so good at "anchoring" the dialog to the screen that really no matter where your sitting at my place when you hear people talk and so on you swear its coming right out of the persons mouth on the screen. And that's what its all about. For me the Center Speaker in HT is the one I will be more than glad to spend lots of money on.

Thanks Russdawg. I'm still probably gonna get it today and I'm just hoping it doesn't conflict with the monitor 7's. I could also trade those in on the s60's and trade my adp370's for 470's. Of course then I'd really be spending some money lol Anymore comments are appreciated.

thanks

Ok, I couldn't resist :) I traded in the monitor 7's, adp370's and the cc370. I got the Studio 60's, CC570 and ADP470's. HOLY CRAP!!!!! What a difference! It's like watching my dvds for the first time. I no longer have the boxy sound of the cc370 center and now dialogue is much better!

When I used to watch dvds at a loud level I could never tell what people were saying when explosions, etc were happening on the screen. Now it's much better. I would say if you're still in the store's allowed upgrade period and you can afford the studio series to run down there and trade in your monitors. It's that big a difference going up to the studio line. Call me a very happy Paradigm owner now ;)

Steve

Steve-

As I understand it, you have an Outlaw 1050 receiver powering your new set-up? I believe that the Outlaw is spec'd at 65W RMS per channel. Do you find that sufficient? Help me out on this.

Hey, yes it seems to have more than enough power. I know Outlaw uses a TRUE power rating so that definitely makes a difference. The loudest I've been able to get on the outlaw volume dial is 70 and that's "bleeding ears" loud lol I'm not sure how much further the volume dial goes up. Anyone know?

I've been demoing many scenes from movies that I'm very familiar with. Here's some thoughts after around 2 hours of listening:

1) The adp470 midrange and surround field sounds much better to me than the adp370's. So much so that I may not even go to 6.1 or 7.1. If I do I'll probably get 2 more adp470's for the rear wall.

2) The cc570 ANNIHILATES the cc370 (as it should for the $). I can turn the whole system up loud now and leave it there if I choose. Even during explosions or lots of action on the screen I can still and understand dialogue which I've never been able to do with the cc370. Also, I don't get that "boxey sound" anymore which really annoyed me when certain male voices were onscreen.

3) Just the whole presentation of surround sound is very much enhanced. I liken it to cars. You drive a 350z, etc and you're like "that's it! that's the ultimate car for me and you're happy. Then your friend lets you take his Ferarri for a spin and you're like 350 who? This is why I won't even audition the Signature series speakers when I'm at the dealer because I know I can't afford them and it's better NOT to hear what you can't afford ;)

I'd say confidently I have no reason to upgrade now unless some kind of spectacular upgrades come out within the same price range. When we get DTShd and DolbyHD with these new upcoming receivers it should be pure HEAVEN lol

So, in closing yes the Outlaw 1050 seems to be powering this setup quite nicely and if you have the new outlaw 1070 it's even a little more powerful than the 1050. Any more questions let me know.

Steve

Congrats on the the new Studios dvdguru! I've never listened to the Monitor series, but I've aways wondered how the the Studio series would compare. Thanks for the detailed comments.

So, in closing yes the Outlaw 1050 seems to be powering this setup quite nicely and if you have the new outlaw 1070 it's even a little more powerful than the 1050. Any more questions let me know.
Steve

Steve-

A receiver that has come under discussion is the relatively new Denon 3806 w/ a (realistic) rating of 120WPC. It has been the opinion of several folks that this underpowers the Studio series.

Steve,

Receiver/amplifier power isn't about how loud it can get, but more about the reserve the amp has to handle brief, intense bursts of sound without clipping. It also typically provides more detail and crispness to the same set of speakers.

I'm glad you like your Studios. I auditioned Monitor 11s vs 60s and my wife heard such a difference (as did I) that we decided to get them without question. I was continuing to use my original, very crappy center channel a few months later and was going to have a Band of Brothers marathon and decided to pick up a CC-370 at the time with the intent of upgrading later once I had the spare cash (and for the fun of comparison at no cost to me), and I agree that it's a night and day difference.

Thanks for the comments guys. Oh, don't get me wrong. I want a more powerful receiver but I'm waiting on the new ones that have the DTShd and DolbyHD capability. Not to mention hdmi switching. I'm sure I'll hear even better sound when that comes but for now the Outlaw is handling them well.

It's like I said before. I didn't hear these speakers hooked up to say an Anthem amp or something so that's probably good for the moment as I don't know what I'm missing. I hope the new receivers come out pretty soon as I'll throw the Outlaw on ebay when they do. They have pretty good resale value too so I'll wait a little longer....

Oh, also so when I do get that new receiver I should use an anthem amp as well and biwire all the speakers, correct? I just want to get the best sound these speakers are capable of. thanks

You can use an external amplifier now, connected into your 1050's preouts. That way you can either get a newer receiver and do the same, or just get a separate pre/pro that has the features you want.

Thanks, I've been thinking of doing that but will that be compatible with the new receivers coming out? Unless I'm mistaken the only way to get the high bit audio is thru hdmi, right? Just wondering if that will mean I'd need another amp setup down the line....

Guys-

I demoed the Studio 60's and the 40's in different places, so it was NOT a fair comparison. The 60's and 40's are apparently almost identical in terms of "hardware" but of course one is a floor stand and the other is pedestal. Are they about the same in S.Q. ? I noticed that the 40 (where I was sitting) had it's tweeter right in line with my ears, whereas the 60 had the tweeter a fair amount BELOW.

Guys-

I demoed the Studio 60's and the 40's in different places, so it was NOT a fair comparison. The 60's and 40's are apparently almost identical in terms of "hardware" but of course one is a floor stand and the other is pedestal. Are they about the same in S.Q. ? I noticed that the 40 (where I was sitting) had it's tweeter right in line with my ears, whereas the 60 had the tweeter a fair amount BELOW.

Perhaps you were sitting higher when listening to the 60's? "Standard" couch/chair height should put the tweeters fairly close to ear level.

I listened to both 40's and 60's in the same room (in two channel - no sub) and found that the 60's sounded "fuller". I think that it would be more difficult for me to distinguish if they were set to small and w/sub though. I ended up taking the 60's and never looked back.

I am going to be picking out some speakers for my dedicated theater room in the next couple weeks. Wondering, is it possible to get a 7.1 setup of Paradigms for under $2k? I already have a sub (Mirage S12), so just need the remaining speakers.

I was pretty set on getting some Energys, as I can get them locally for abour $1400, and to me, they sounded good. However, the same shop sells Paradigm, just wondering if I should even look into them, or are they out of my price range? I would prefer floorstanding for the fronts, bipole sides, and some small bookshelves for the rears.

Can it be done within my budget? If so, what series would I be looking at?

Yes, look at the monitor 7 for towers, cc370 for center and adp370's surround. Their prices are roughly 750.00, 350.00 and 750.00. If your looking for direct radiating for surround the mini monitors are around $350-399. Great setup for the price there too...

Oh, and if you buy all that at the same time make sure you get at least a 10% discount or walk out and go to another paradigm dealer if possible.

Yes, look at the monitor 7 for towers, cc370 for center and adp370's surround. Their prices are roughly 750.00, 350.00 and 750.00. If your looking for direct radiating for surround the mini monitors are around $350-399. Great setup for the price there too...

Oh, and if you buy all that at the same time make sure you get at least a 10% discount or walk out and go to another paradigm dealer if possible.

Don't forget the sub though :)

Hope the dealer gives you a discount. When i talked to one about Studio 60s, a CC 470, and a pair of mini-monitors, they only offered 5% off. I did a bit more checking around and found a place to give me a much better deal.

Don't forget the sub though :)

Hope the dealer gives you a discount. When i talked to one about Studio 60s, a CC 470, and a pair of mini-monitors, they only offered 5% off. I did a bit more checking around and found a place to give me a much better deal.

I picked up one of the Mirage S12 subs when they were on sale, so I already have the sub. I spoke with the dealer today, and he said they would definitely work with me on the price. I need the 7 speakers for my main room, as well as 2 bookshelfs for the recroom, in addition to a receiver and DVD player. So, I am hoping he puts together a nice deal ont he whole thing, saves me from having to order things online. Might run over there tomorrow, I'll let you know what I find out.

Ok, just to make sure here. The outlaw 1050 won't damage these speakers from having too little power, correct? I think they're rated at 60 true watts. I don't really play them at ear bleed levels. Only rarely to demo them. Am I ok with this setup til' I go with separates? I'm looking at maybe going with the Outlaw 990/1725 combo now...

thanks

Guys-

I demoed the Studio 60's and the 40's in different places, so it was NOT a fair comparison. The 60's and 40's are apparently almost identical in terms of "hardware" but of course one is a floor stand and the other is pedestal. Are they about the same in S.Q. ? I noticed that the 40 (where I was sitting) had it's tweeter right in line with my ears, whereas the 60 had the tweeter a fair amount BELOW.

The 40s will probaly cost you about as much with a GOOD pair of stands as the 60s. My 60s were about $95.00 more. The weight of the 60s are double the 40s 140 Lb vs 70 lb per pair for the 40s. Money and weight aside which do you like as to sound? BTW the 60s ARE DEEP so you may want to consider that in your set up. Although the specs for depth might be the same check Paradigm's website.
I just hooked them up tonight with a pair of 20s and sub. As others say here they sound awesome. I decided against going with 60s for the surrounds from the helpful advice I got here.Thanks to those who replied. I still have to adjust everything and arrange things but I couldn't wait to hear them. They look a LOT nicer up front than when I had the 20s there on stands. The 60s LOOK as impressive as they sound. No regrets spending a little extra.

As to price make them an offer, you can always start at 20% or higher and negotiate from there, the dealer isn't going to ask you to leave. It's like buying a car don't let emotions sway you, every rep wants to make a sale and keep you happy for repeat business.

Thanks, I've been thinking of doing that but will that be compatible with the new receivers coming out? Unless I'm mistaken the only way to get the high bit audio is thru hdmi, right? Just wondering if that will mean I'd need another amp setup down the line....
Audio transmission methods such as analog, HDMI, S/PDIF, et al, are all a function of the audio processor (e.g. pre/pro or receiver), not the amplifier. The amplifier simply does its job of amplifying a "line level" signal and sending it as cleanly as possible to the speaker to reproduce it loudly (relative to a line level signal).

You'll always be able to use whatever external amplifier you buy with any pre/pro and/or any receiver that has pre-outs.
Yes, look at the monitor 7 for towers, cc370 for center and adp370's surround. Their prices are roughly 750.00, 350.00 and 750.00. If your looking for direct radiating for surround the mini monitors are around $350-399. Great setup for the price there too...
I agree, but the first thing I'd upgrade is the center channel to a 470 or 570. Even though it doesn't technically match the Monitors, it will sound a ton better.
Ok, just to make sure here. The outlaw 1050 won't damage these speakers from having too little power, correct? I think they're rated at 60 true watts. I don't really play them at ear bleed levels. Only rarely to demo them. Am I ok with this setup til' I go with separates? I'm looking at maybe going with the Outlaw 990/1725 combo now...
No, they may actually damage the speakers if you don't have enough power being sent to them. If there is a burst of audio being sent to them which demands more power than the amplifier can deliver, the amplifier will "clip" and send massive distortion to the speaker, damaging them. You can never have too much amplifier power. You just have to turn the gain (volume) down on the amp to a lesser level on average if it has more power. So then it becomes a matter of price/power ratio when buying an amp (and obviously many other factors such as connections, fit/finish, transformer quality, and countless other things that you can research in the Amps forum).
The 40s will probaly cost you about as much with a GOOD pair of stands as the 60s. My 60s were about $95.00 more. The weight of the 60s are double the 40s 140 Lb vs 70 lb per pair for the 40s.
This is the main reason why I didn't even listen to the 40s. I knew that I'd need stands and that the cost is about the same. Honestly, I took the word of several here as well as the dealer in that the 60s sound fuller, and the cost is basically the same. Of course, I went in to the dealer wanting floorstanders anyway.

I'm in desperate need for some opinions here. 50/50 music to movies use out of the system. I'll outline my current setup:

Monitor 7's, cc-370, ps1000, titans for rears all running on a marantz sr6300. I was looking for a new better sound and was tired of boomie base. I have ordered a pair of studio 60's, a seismic 12 sub and a cc-470 center to hopefully satisfy that. Now I was hoping to use my monitor sevens as rears, the studio's up front with my new center channel and replace the ps1000 sub with the seismic 12 however I'm concerned that my rears won't be able to match sonically to the front three. Am i wrong? Also and suggestions as to whether or not my amp will need changing or adding to? I have a feeling that i'll need to run a 2 channel power amp to run those studio 60's and let the marantz power the rest of the system. Any suggestions or tips for my paradigm setup would be much appreciated!

Based on what you just purchased, I'd go with the following upgrades as finances permit:

1) Room treatments/modifications. Boomy bass is a problem with the room (and possibly location of speakers, especially sub), not the equipment.
2) CC-570. For only a couple hundred $$ more, the benefit you'll get is immediate and worth upgrading before spending a bit more on..
3) Two more (probably used) Monitor 7s as additional surrounds, if you have the space for 7s as surrounds all around. Otherwise, sell the 7s and get 4 ADP-470s or 20s (depending which you like better in a surround configuration).
4) External amplifier for the 20s. If you had 100s, I'd push this up to #3 or maybe #2.

Miltimj, thanks for the info! I'm going to buy the 7125 amp now and use the outlaw 1050 until they get all this audio stuff worked out. I'm sure I'll love the sound of the 7125 if I'm already happy with the 1050 sound ;)

Oh, and good advice to that previous poster. Go with the cc470 or cc570 instead of the cc370 center. See my comments from earlier on this subject lol

Regards,

Steve

Thanks for the reply. Unfortunetly the space issue doesn't permit me to have more monitor 7's directly behind for center surrounds. I will consider the cc-570 (my store will allow exchanges) but my concern is the size. Will it fit on top of my t.v? I have a hitachi 51f500 widescreen rptv and the current cc-370 is sitting on polipods on top of the t.v. The T.V slopes down behind though so there isn't a very large section of support. In regards to the sub placement, I had the store come out and check the room and due to room design this is the best spot for it though its still not adequate.
i'll have to call and ask what we can do for room treatments given the odd shape of the room. Any suggestions as to whether or not I will needd a power amp for the desired setup?

I don't think I'd put any decent sized center on top of a TV. Find some sort of shelf to put it on and angle down, if at all possible.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I am selling my Paradigms Studio 100s v.2, cc570 v.3, and ADP 470v.3. Here is the link

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=645346

Hello everyone,

My current setup is as follows:

Outlaw Audio Model 990 Pre-Amp
Anthem MCA-2 and Anthem MCA-5
Paradigm Studio 100's (Rosenut)
Paradigm Servo 12 Subwoofer (Rosenut)

I have the 100's bi-amped using balanced XLR's.

I have monitor 7's, cc370 and an old kenwood 10" sub. The Paradigms are only a couple months old. I am not totally happy with the cc370.

My question is which should I upgrade first, the center or the sub? I have my eye on clrv's cc570. A friend has a cc570 and I think it sounds amazing. According to earlier posts the cc570 should work with my monitor 7's, for now at least.

[No, they may actually damage the speakers if you don't have enough power being sent to them. If there is a burst of audio being sent to them which demands more power than the amplifier can receive, the amplifier will "clip" and send massive distortion to the speaker, damaging them.


I may be wrong but your statement"...which demands more power than the amplifier can RECEIVE..." is incorrect. The amp amplifies the signal it receives then SENDS it to the speakers" If the volume is loud and the amp cannot send a strong enough signal then the speakers will clip.

Hey guys,
I am thinking about going with the Monitor 7's with the CC-370 for mains to replace Polk Audio RTi6's and CSi5, Polk FXi3's for side surround and R15's for back surround. I'm going to keep my surround speaker for no. Maybe upgrade later Maybe no. Havn't decided yet. I Have a Yamaha RX-V757 receiver. should I get an amp for these or do you think my Yamaha has enough power to push them? I thought about going with the Studio 40's or 60's, but I thoght when I heard them the Bass of the 60's overpowered the highs, the 40's were better, but was not overly impressed with the distinction between highs and lows. A little disappointed with the demo. I expected more clarity/distinction with a "better speaker".
Your guys thoughts will be appreciated.

I better update my setup. I spent a little money this week :)

Outlaw 1050 receiver
Outlaw 7125 Amp
Paradigm cc570 center v.3
Paradigm Studio 60 towers v.3
Paradigm ADP470 surrounds v.3
Paradigm PS1000 Sub
Pioneer 59AVI Elite dvd player
SA 8300 Hd dvr

The amp was ordered today so I'll be in heaven soon lol I'm waiting on a new receiver/prepro that has all the new audio format capabilities...

I have monitor 7's, cc370 and an old kenwood 10" sub. The Paradigms are only a couple months old. I am not totally happy with the cc370.

My question is which should I upgrade first, the center or the sub? I have my eye on clrv's cc570. A friend has a cc570 and I think it sounds amazing. According to earlier posts the cc570 should work with my monitor 7's, for now at least.
If at least half of your listening is HT use (as opposed to music), then I'd definitely upgrade the 370 first.
I may be wrong but your statement"...which demands more power than the amplifier can RECEIVE..." is incorrect. The amp amplifies the signal it receives then SENDS it to the speakers" If the volume is loud and the amp cannot send a strong enough signal then the speakers will clip.
Oops, yep, that was a typo. I meant to say "...which demands more power than the amplifier can deliver..." I'll edit my post.. thanks.

Agree, I hated the cc370 most of the time when I listened to it. Loving the cc570 now...

Hey guys,
I am thinking about going with the Monitor 7's with the CC-370 for mains to replace Polk Audio RTi6's and CSi5, Polk FXi3's for side surround and R15's for back surround. I'm going to keep my surround speaker for no. Maybe upgrade later Maybe no. Havn't decided yet. I Have a Yamaha RX-V757 receiver. should I get an amp for these or do you think my Yamaha has enough power to push them? I thought about going with the Studio 40's or 60's, but I thoght when I heard them the Bass of the 60's overpowered the highs, the 40's were better, but was not overly impressed with the distinction between highs and lows. A little disappointed with the demo. I expected more clarity/distinction with a "better speaker".
Your guys thoughts will be appreciated.
Did you demo the 7s side by side with the 60s? Wow, my wife heard the two and liked the 60s immensely better. The good news for you though (if that's the case), is your tastes are less expensive! :)

I'd upgrade your center at the least, and sub as well before adding an amplifier to the mix. Your receiver should be able to power all of your speakers no problem; in other words, your speakers are more of a limiting factor to sound quality than the amount of power being sent to them. Of course, all of this speaks nothing about your room and its treatments (or possible lackthereof).

Did you demo the 7s side by side with the 60s? Wow, my wife heard the two and liked the 60s immensely better. The good news for you though (if that's the case), is your tastes are less expensive! :)

I'd upgrade your center at the least, and sub as well before adding an amplifier to the mix. Your receiver should be able to power all of your speakers no problem; in other words, your speakers are more of a limiting factor to sound quality than the amount of power being sent to them. Of course, all of this speaks nothing about your room and its treatments (or possible lackthereof).

I did not listen to the 60's and Monitor 7's side by side, but the 40's and 60's side by side. The 40's were much better in terms of distictoin between highs and lows but not as much clarity with the highs as I thougt would be.

What do you guys think about the Monitor 7's vs. the Monitor 11's?

Hey everyone!
Been reading through this thread like crazy lately.

I've got a couple of questions that I'm hoping you guys can help with.

I went to my Paradigm dealer and listened to the Monitor 11s, CC-370, ADP 370, and one of the 10in woofers (can't remember which one).

They sounded great! But I'm really wanting the best system within my "around $3k" budget. If the Studio line is that much better, I'm willing to upgrade to that and hold off on a sub for the time being.

Now, which setup would you recommend? My room is 20x15.

A:
Monitor 11
CC-370
ADP-370
SVS PB12-ISD
MSRP- $2807

B:
Monitor 11
CC-570
ADP-370
SVS PB12-ISD
MSRP- $ 3278

C:
Studio 60
CC-570
ADP-470
SVS PB12-ISD
MSRP- $4020 w/sub or $3420 w/o sub

Will I actually hear a $1200 difference between the Monitors and the Studios?

Also, I'm considering one of these receivers: Yamaha RX-V757 or the Yamaha RX-V1500. Do they have enough to makek these sound good. Would I need extra amps?

C. But I'm a little biased :) Go with C and get other stuff later... I hear a LARGE difference between the monitor and studio setups and I haven't even received my amp yet. When the amp comes next week it should be even better. If you don't go with the C option you'll always be wondering "what if"....

If you have a free upgrade (get 100% of what you spent towards upgraded gear) program at your dealer, then you could get B and upgrade to C later, but I agree with dvdguru that C is a significant step up. I'd avoid A if at all possible.

See, and that's just it. I want to the avoid the "what if?"

So C. sounds like the obvious winner.

Which amp/receiver though? I hear the Denons are good but what can push these speakers for around $300-1000.

Do you have the ability to hide the equipment in a rack, and even better, seculded somewhat for sound? There are many here (look in the Amps forum) that use a receiver with pre-outs, or a less expensive pre/pro like an Outlaw, and connect pro amps like Crown XLS, Carver, QSC, etc, which help considerably.

The best bang for your buck is probably a decent receiver ($500 or so) with preouts and a 2-channel pro receiver, say 250W+ / channel for the 60s and you'd be set for quite a while. Next thing would be to add another amp later for the center, and then maybe surrounds (e.g. get a 5 channel).

Yes, I can put them in a rack that is hidden.

I do plan on having this system for awhile.

I'm looking at the Denon AVR-2106 and the Yamaha RX-V1500 right now.

I've pretty much made up my mind to get the Paradigm Cinema 90CT speakers and will be buying a receiver also and wanted to know if any of you have paired them with any of these: 1) Yamaha RXV757; 2) Pioneer VSX-D914-K; 3) Pioneer VSX-915-K; 4) Panasonic SA-XR70S; or 5) Yamaha RX-V550. If so, what are your thoughts? Any receiver that is not on the list that should be? I don't want to spend more than $400 on the receiver.

Rahl,
Looks like you made your decision. My two cents on the center (and this is for everyone) - I have had a cc370 for about 3 months now and I already want to upgrade.

I had the Cinema Center ,than a CC-350 now a CC-450
Fronts went from Atoms to Mini Monitors Now Ref 40's
My rears are still cinemas 70's But need upgrading

I managed to get a Denon 3805 for $650 since they are clearing them out. It was supposed to be the open box price but the one they sold me was actually still new & sealed.

My setup (on order) is Studio 60s, Mini-monitor rears, and a CC570 center. I'll add on a sub later on. We'll see how long i can hold off on that.

See, and that's just it. I want to the avoid the "what if?"

So C. sounds like the obvious winner.

Which amp/receiver though? I hear the Denons are good but what can push these speakers for around $300-1000.

How well do the 60s sound without a sub?

I heard the 11s at my dealer, and they sounded alright, but with the sub it was even better.

How well do the 60s sound without a sub?

I heard the 11s at my dealer, and they sounded alright, but with the sub it was even better.

They're definitely better with a sub. The seemed workable for HT without one, but just barely.

My original target was $1500 for a set of 5.1. I totally blew that out of the water with just the 5 speakers I'm buying and the sub is about $900 more if I go with the Ultra Cube 10 (a bit less if I do a PS1000 or PS1200). It is definitely not by choice that I'm waiting on it.


Here's a random Q - What gauge of speaker wire should I be looking at for the speakers? 12 ga for LCR and 14-16 for the rears work ok? (Don't mean to start a cabling/quality argument. I've listed to diff ones and find the standard 'speaker cable' works well for me).

How well do the 60s sound without a sub?


They sound fine as long as you don't listen to the 100s. :)

I've pretty much made up my mind to get the Paradigm Cinema 90CT speakers and will be buying a receiver also and wanted to know if any of you have paired them with any of these: 1) Yamaha RXV757; 2) Pioneer VSX-D914-K; 3) Pioneer VSX-915-K; 4) Panasonic SA-XR70S; or 5) Yamaha RX-V550. If so, what are your thoughts? Any receiver that is not on the list that should be? I don't want to spend more than $400 on the receiver.
Pretty much any receiver will power the Cinemas. Compare the features and reliability, etc, of each receiver and don't worry about which would work better with the Cinemas (as they all will). You might want to ask this question in the Amps/Receivers forum.

They're definitely better with a sub. The seemed workable for HT without one, but just barely.

My original target was $1500 for a set of 5.1. I totally blew that out of the water with just the 5 speakers I'm buying and the sub is about $900 more if I go with the Ultra Cube 10 (a bit less if I do a PS1000 or PS1200). It is definitely not by choice that I'm waiting on it.


Here's a random Q - What gauge of speaker wire should I be looking at for the speakers? 12 ga for LCR and 14-16 for the rears work ok? (Don't mean to start a cabling/quality argument. I've listed to diff ones and find the standard 'speaker cable' works well for me).
You can get cheaper subs, such as SVS and HSU, etc, that will work just as well or better, for less cost (especially if you're over budget already). I'm using an SVS PB-12/ISD for that very reason (Paradigm subs seem a bit expensive, and mostly due to them being smaller for similar "punch".. I'll just have my sub take up more room..)

16 AWG is typically plenty for almost any application as long as it's not tons of power going across insanely long runs. So I'd go with 14 AWG all around and call it good. :cool:

Just thought I'd let you know that I decided i'd get a power amp for the fronts. Ended up finding a private seller who sold me an anthem mca2 power amp to drive the studio 60's. I figured i'll let the marantz reciever power the rest of the system for now. I'll let you all know how the setup is once its all arrived.

Great - I for one am definitely interested in the comparison. Although it may be difficult to avoid bias after buying a shiny new (to you) piece of equipment.. (I know I find it difficult..) :)

Can someone recommend me some Paradigm's for the following?

Denon 4306
50/50 HT/Music

Music is Metal, rock etc

I am budgeting about $3,500 in speakers for a 7.1 setup. Since I listen to metal I need really STRONG and tight bass and mid-bass.

You can get cheaper subs, such as SVS and HSU, etc, that will work just as well or better, for less cost (especially if you're over budget already). I'm using an SVS PB-12/ISD for that very reason (Paradigm subs seem a bit expensive, and mostly due to them being smaller for similar "punch".. I'll just have my sub take up more room..)

16 AWG is typically plenty for almost any application as long as it's not tons of power going across insanely long runs. So I'd go with 14 AWG all around and call it good. :cool:

Thanks for both tips. I'll look into both of those sub options.

And I just ordered the 14 AWG wire from partsexpress along with banana plugs so should be all set when the speakers arrive in another week or so.

Can someone recommend me some Paradigm's for the following?

Denon 4306
50/50 HT/Music

Music is Metal, rock etc

I am budgeting about $3,500 in speakers for a 7.1 setup. Since I listen to metal I need really STRONG and tight bass and mid-bass.
With that kind of budget, you should be able to get something in the Reference series all around.

Can someone recommend me some Paradigm's for the following?

Denon 4306
50/50 HT/Music

Music is Metal, rock etc

I am budgeting about $3,500 in speakers for a 7.1 setup. Since I listen to metal I need really STRONG and tight bass and mid-bass.

60s up front 570 center, 20s for side/rear S10 for sub.

Or you could go with 40s and the S15 sub.

...or the cc470 cc; more than enough with the 40s or even the 60s. That will save you a couple/few hundred dollars.

Do the Monitor 11's bass and mid range over power the highs? Or does it add to the over all sound?

Hi guys I am planning on buying Paradigm Monitor 7's for 699 a pair. The Monitor 3's for 236 a pair. the CC370 for 349 and the PS-1000 for 499. Are these good prices that I should be paying from my local Paradigm dealer? Could anyone give me a link to the MSRP or other prices on these speakers? All input on these speakers is much apperiated. :)

...or the cc470 cc; more than enough with the 40s or even the 60s. That will save you a couple/few hundred dollars.

The CC470 should save you about $200 over the CC570. May want to read through this thread more though as a number of people have said its definitely worth it to do the upgrade. May be different with the 40s, but with the 60s the choice seemed to be the 570. (Or, maybe I'm just saying this b/c I read this thread and decided to spend the extra for the CC570 myself :) )

after demoing several speakers i decided to get
the 100,s a570 and 20,s it sounds great and it
was one of the best experiences of buying audio
gear i had in a long time the people at all star audio
video were great.

As far as the center channel goes, it depends how much you'll be using your system for home theater purposes (compared to music). If it's significant, then the best money you can spend on your speakers is on the center.

sorry..
I know it is in here somewhere, but can someone link the " suggested " retail for paradigms or ref the website?
Thanks

nm

what was the suggested retail or msrp on the :

studio 60's?
cc470
cc570
studio 20's

My local dealer quoted me approx $800.00 for the studio 20's

Hi guys I am planning on buying Paradigm Monitor 7's for 699 a pair. The Monitor 3's for 236 a pair. the CC370 for 349 and the PS-1000 for 499. Are these good prices that I should be paying from my local Paradigm dealer? Could anyone give me a link to the MSRP or other prices on these speakers? All input on these speakers is much apperiated. :)



For US prices go to the Paradigm:
http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteReferenceProduct/RModels/SystemChoice/systems.html

Remember, these are list prices.

Got just got my S60s v3 hooked up with S20v2 for surrounds and PS1000. The sub difinitely gives it a punch.I still have to tweak the set-up, any suggestions?

Hi guys I am planning on buying Paradigm Monitor 7's for 699 a pair. The Monitor 3's for 236 a pair. the CC370 for 349 and the PS-1000 for 499. Are these good prices that I should be paying from my local Paradigm dealer? Could anyone give me a link to the MSRP or other prices on these speakers? All input on these speakers is much apperiated. :)

I bought Monitor 7's and a cc370 less than 3 months ago and those prices look good. One suggestion though, if you can, get the cc470 or 570. I wish I did. I will upgrade my center as soon as I can. In fact, I made a deal for a slightly used cc570 just yesterday but it fell through. (Anyone got a cc570 for sale?)

sorry..
I know it is in here somewhere, but can someone link the " suggested " retail for paradigms or ref the website?
Thanks

nm

what was the suggested retail or msrp on the :

studio 60's?
cc470
cc570
studio 20's

My local dealer quoted me approx $800.00 for the studio 20's
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A random page selection would probably turn it up, even.. ;)

after demoing several speakers i decided to get
the 100,s a570 and 20,s it sounds great and it
was one of the best experiences of buying audio
gear i had in a long time the people at all star audio
video were great.

Which sub, if any, are you using?

What do you guys think about Monitor 7's or Monitor 11's?

Which sub, if any, are you using?
velodyne ct-150

What do you guys think about Monitor 7's or Monitor 11's?

As I see it, they are basically the same except the 11's have three bass drivers to the 7's one. And the low pass crossover point is set a little different. If you have a good sub go with the 7's. If you want the extra bass (by extra I mean it may be a little louder not lower), go with the 11's.

I bought the 7's due to budget but I do think they sound better than the 11's. I preferred the Monitor 9's over both. Really, as has been said many times befor, it comes down to what sounds best to you.

As I see it, they are basically the same except the 11's have three bass drivers to the 7's one. And the low pass crossover point is set a little different. If you have a good sub go with the 7's. If you want the extra bass (by extra I mean it may be a little louder not lower), go with the 11's.

I bought the 7's due to budget but I do think they sound better than the 11's. I preferred the Monitor 9's over both. Really, as has been said many times befor, it comes down to what sounds best to you.

the thing that sucks is my Paradigm dealer doesnt have any Monitor 11's for audition. So I wont have a chance to hear them unless someone in the Des Moines, IA are has a pair I could audition. I did like the way the 7's sounded though.

the thing that sucks is my Paradigm dealer doesnt have any Monitor 11's for audition. So I wont have a chance to hear them unless someone in the Des Moines, IA are has a pair I could audition. I did like the way the 7's sounded though.

I listened to all three and I thought the bass of the 11's over-powered the mids and highs. If I had the money I would have bought the 9's. But I think the 7's sound great and I am very happy with them. If your dealer has a pair of Monitor 9's I would give them a listen.

I listened to all three and I thought the bass of the 11's over-powered the mids and highs. If I had the money I would have bought the 9's. But I think the 7's sound great and I am very happy with them. If your dealer has a pair of Monitor 9's I would give them a listen.

My dealer does have 9's, but he steered me away from them. He said they were better for rock music and take more to drive since they have a bigger woofers in them. Do you think they will sound good for HT as well as music?

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN...

I am a Paradigm owner. I have a pair of Studio 20 (v1) and a CC-450 (v1). Yesterday I was at a local Paradigm dealer because I have always wanted to upgrade to floorstander for my HT. I listened to the Studio 100 (v3) and they sounded really really good. Then I listen to the S4... AAAGGGHHHH.. That is the sound of ultimate suffering. They sounded so much better. I can't image buying the Studio knowing how much better the Signature series is and there is no way that I can afford the S8, S4 or even S2 with the matching center channel. I am glad that Paradigm continues to make such good quality product, but I wish that I wouldn't have been able to hear that much of a difference. The electronics were nothing special too, B&K amp, NAD DVD player, Adcom Stereo Pre.


Regards,

Charlie

PS- Donations Accepted to put S8s in good home.

Like I posted earlier. I NEVER audition speakers I can't afford. Go by this philosophy and you'll get along much better :)

Like I posted earlier. I NEVER audition speakers I can't afford. Go by this philosopy and you'll get along much better :)

:)

I hear you on that.

A friend of mine has Wilson Sophias, powered by Bryston with a Merdian CD. I ususaly wait a few days before turning on my system after listening to his so I can forget how good his sounded.

Last week I got the studio 60's, cc570 and adp470's. The dealer kept saying "and in that room we have the signature series". I quickly said "we're not going anywhere near that room" and he laughed lol I know better and don't want to be taking out a 2nd mortgage or anything crazy like that ;)

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN...

I am a Paradigm owner. I have a pair of Studio 20 (v1) and a CC-450 (v1). Yesterday I was at a local Paradigm dealer because I have always wanted to upgrade to floorstander for my HT. I listened to the Studio 100 (v3) and they sounded really really good. Then I listen to the S4... AAAGGGHHHH.. That is the sound of ultimate suffering. They sounded so much better. I can't image buying the Studio knowing how much better the Signature series is and there is no way that I can afford the S8, S4 or even S2 with the matching center channel. I am glad that Paradigm continues to make such good quality product, but I wish that I wouldn't have been able to hear that much of a difference. The electronics were nothing special too, B&K amp, NAD DVD player, Adcom Stereo Pre.


Regards,

Charlie

PS- Donations Accepted to put S8s in good home.

I searched high and low to find speakers with just the right balance of detail, body, dynamics and sound stage. I listened to virtually every speaker in my price range and some out of range (B&W, Dynaudio, Focal, Martin Logan, Revel, and so on). In the end I chose the Paradigm Signature S4's. (I actually owned the S8's for a few months, but I have limited placement options and they needed more room to "breath".)

Here's a link to a good deal on some new Sigs. Hopefully it will help.

http://www.northamptonaudio.com/Paradigm/paradigmhome.htm

Cheers,

- Tim

My dealer does have 9's, but he steered me away from them. He said they were better for rock music and take more to drive since they have a bigger woofers in them. Do you think they will sound good for HT as well as music?

Yes, I thought so. You should take a movie in and demo them. One piece of advice, if you are also looking for a center do not get the cc370. I know it is alot more money but the cc470 or 570 are well worth it.

does anyone make a 36 inch tall stand for the 20v3's.

try racksandstands.com

Do all paradigm dealers have the " upgrade " exchange policy or program ?

Someone here, mentioned they had a pair for 11 months and then echanged or upgraded later.

Not sure if this may only be offered if you get a packaged system..i.e spend more $$
not sure if this was a YMMV

I know that it does not hurt to ask, if no at one, try another dealer.

Thanks

Any testimonials on a studio 60 setup with metal music? I'm upgrading from ancient 3 ways with 12" woofers, so am wondering how these slim speakers of today can match the "power" of old gigantic 3 ways for stereo listening.

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN...

I am a Paradigm owner. I have a pair of Studio 20 (v1) and a CC-450 (v1). Yesterday I was at a local Paradigm dealer because I have always wanted to upgrade to floorstander for my HT. I listened to the Studio 100 (v3) and they sounded really really good. Then I listen to the S4... AAAGGGHHHH.. That is the sound of ultimate suffering. They sounded so much better. I can't image buying the Studio knowing how much better the Signature series is and there is no way that I can afford the S8, S4 or even S2 with the matching center channel. I am glad that Paradigm continues to make such good quality product, but I wish that I wouldn't have been able to hear that much of a difference. The electronics were nothing special too, B&K amp, NAD DVD player, Adcom Stereo Pre.


Regards,

Charlie

PS- Donations Accepted to put S8s in good home.

Take it from me.. SAVE YOUR MONEY! It would be well worth the wait IMO. :D

I read on another forum that there will be a studio v4 coming out soon.
Any truth to the rumor?

Any testimonials on a studio 60 setup with metal music? I'm upgrading from ancient 3 ways with 12" woofers, so am wondering how these slim speakers of today can match the "power" of old gigantic 3 ways for stereo listening.
not sure about the 60's as i bought the 100's but metallica never sounded better
when i was auditioning the speakers i noticed the one of the main differences was more midbass on the 100's

Take it from me.. SAVE YOUR MONEY! It would be well worth the wait IMO. :D
It's money straight down the toilet without room treatments.

deafgoose,

That is one of the most beautiful pictures I have ever seen.

It's money straight down the toilet without room treatments.

It would depend on the room as far as how much of it will go down the toilet. :)

I need a precise size (height) measurement on the Paradigm CC570. The website spec's the CC570 as 9 1/16" in height...yet the Signature CC has the same 3-way configuration and is under 9"...and the CC470 (I know, apples and oranges) measures out quite a bit smaller than spec'd on the website.

I am in one of those reeeeeally close situations where 1/4" makes a difference in whether my stand can accommodate a CC507 or not, and I now realize that the Paradigm site cannot be closely trusted. SO WHAT I AM ASKING of a Paradigm CC570 owner is if you would PLEASE carefully measure the height of the CC570 and let me know of the height. My stand/shelf has a space 9.25" in height. I think that means that the CC570 NEEDS to be just a "scosh" UNDER 9" in height.

Thanks to anyone who could advise on this. I think that CC570 wouod be a great addition. ;)

Just measured mine. It's 8.5" WITHOUT the feet or little rubber bumpers on the bottom. So, you're good to go and could even use the small rubber bumper feet on the bottom. But, you can't use the little legs as those raise the height another inch...

dvdguru-
Thanks for taking the time to do the measurement ! Hmmm...OK, yea, I have a glass shelf that this monster of a CC would go on...and without any "padding" it would probably vibrate like crazy. So I hear you saying that they have an optional relatively flat "rubber bumper feet" that might kill vibration without adding more than...what 1/4 " or so ???

Yep, not even a 1/4". You're good to go as it comes with 4 of the little round rubber feet. I would also use a large thin rubber mat under the whole speaker so the shelf doesn't "color" the speaker sound as much.

dvdguru-
Thanks for taking the time to do the measurement ! Hmmm...OK, yea, I have a glass shelf that this monster of a CC would go on...and without any "padding" it would probably vibrate like crazy. So I hear you saying that they have an optional relatively flat "rubber bumper feet" that might kill vibration without adding more than...what 1/4 " or so ???

How high is the shelf from the floor? With my 570 I have the feet on the front and just the rubber bumpers on the rear to give it a slight angle toward the listening position.

That's how mine is too but the feet raise the front to around 9.5 inches. Doesn't sound like he has the room for that though...

That's how mine is too but the feet raise the front to around 9.5 inches. Doesn't sound like he has the room for that though...

And that could have the speaker pointing at his knees if he can't angle it.

True, we need the height from the floor to your shelf, Wolvernole.

How high is the shelf from the floor? With my 570 I have the feet on the front and just the rubber bumpers on the rear to give it a slight angle toward the listening position.

Thanks again- Well, what I have is one of those Sony (gray) stand built specifically for the Sony 42" A-10. It has two glass shelves and the UPPER shelf is about 10" off the floor...so you're correct that by all that is good and holy, I should (ideally) be angling the CC570 upward...BUT as dvdguru noted, I do not have much room to negotiate at all. Having said that...I have consistently read that the CC570 does wonders at imaging (if that is the correct word) on a broad sweep for listeners in the room (I think that is usually in regards to horizontal...rather than VERTICLE dispersion of sound). :confused:

Do all paradigm dealers have the " upgrade " exchange policy or program ?

Someone here, mentioned they had a pair for 11 months and then echanged or upgraded later.

Not sure if this may only be offered if you get a packaged system..i.e spend more $$
not sure if this was a YMMV

I know that it does not hurt to ask, if no at one, try another dealer.

Thanks

I have two Paradigm dealers in my area. One does an "up to one year / 100% trade in value if next purchase is at least twice as much", along with some other excellant return options.

The other doesn't offer squat.....

Hmm, wolvernole's question leads to one of my own...

Can anyone recommend a good stand for the CC570? My projection screen comes down to 34" above the floor. Figuring on ~9.5" for the 570, I think I need a max 23-24" stand that is wide enough to really support the 570. Any recommendations?

(The speakers are the Cherry finish, so matching would be nice)

No offense, but I think it would be an utter waste to spend the money for the CC-570 just to wedge it in a cabinet 10" off the floor. You should either get a proper center channel stand and place it in front of the cabinet or fabricate a shelf above the TV for the speaker. Just my 2 cents....

Hmm, wolvernole's question leads to one of my own...

Can anyone recommend a good stand for the CC570? My projection screen comes down to 34" above the floor. Figuring on ~9.5" for the 570, I think I need a max 23-24" stand that is wide enough to really support the 570. Any recommendations?

(The speakers are the Cherry finish, so matching would be nice)

Have you looked at Paradigm's Premier division? The T-50 or J-18C would work.

Have you looked at Paradigm's Premier division? The T-50 or J-18C would work.

I hadn't seen those, but in looking at them I'm not sold. I don't think the look of the J-series fits and the T-series might work but it seems to be only available in black, and it doesn't look very wide either. also, I was hoping to be able to find a cherry finish to blend in better with the speakers.

No offense, but I think it would be an utter waste to spend the money for the CC-570 just to wedge it in a cabinet 10" off the floor. You should either get a proper center channel stand and place it in front of the cabinet or fabricate a shelf above the TV for the speaker. Just my 2 cents....

Utter waste is quite strong. It may not be the most ideal set-up but it will still sound very good.

I hadn't seen those, but in looking at them I'm not sold. I don't think the look of the J-series fits and the T-series might work but it seems to be only available in black, and it doesn't look very wide either. also, I was hoping to be able to find a cherry finish to blend in better with the speakers.

Check out racksandstands.com the have a very good selection a decent prices. Not the cheapest but not the highest either.

dvdguru-
Thanks for taking the time to do the measurement ! Hmmm...OK, yea, I have a glass shelf that this monster of a CC would go on...and without any "padding" it would probably vibrate like crazy. So I hear you saying that they have an optional relatively flat "rubber bumper feet" that might kill vibration without adding more than...what 1/4 " or so ???
Remember, the CC570 is rear ported, so if you shove it form-fitting into a cabinet, you're going to have a ton of vibrations (which may or may not be noticed, depending on the cushion underneath) as well as a distorted/muffled low end. Whether it's muffled enough to be nearly inaudible from the front, I don't know. I'm just pointing out the design of the CC570 warrants a more open space.

My setup is as follows:

Studio 40 mains
CC-470 Center
SA-25s in walls for Surround and Backs
Seismic 10 Sub

Denon 3805 Receiver in a 2500 cu ft room.

Currently only running 5.1 waiting for 2nd pair of 25s to come in.

Opinions requested on 3805 driving this system vs addition of a seperate 7 channel amp and using the 3805 for processing only or perhaps less than 7 channel amp for some of the channels ( 2 channel for mains? ) 80/20 HT/Music

I also am thinking of puting my cc-570 into a 36Hx55wx24d custom cabinet. I plan on using auralex mopads under the speaker and some sort of insulation on the sides and back of the speaker - will that help control distorton/muffledness on the low end and vibration. My other fix for the problem would be a 72" high center speaker stand to be placed behind the cabinet and i don't believe that is doable.

any input would be appreciated.

Remember, the CC570 is rear ported, so if you shove it form-fitting into a cabinet, you're going to have a ton of vibrations (which may or may not be noticed, depending on the cushion underneath) as well as a distorted/muffled low end. Whether it's muffled enough to be nearly inaudible from the front, I don't know. I'm just pointing out the design of the CC570 warrants a more open space.

Good point. I wouldn't want it pressed against a back wall. Open glass shelves would be the way to go.

Remember, the CC570 is rear ported, so if you shove it form-fitting into a cabinet, you're going to have a ton of vibrations (which may or may not be noticed, depending on the cushion underneath) as well as a distorted/muffled low end. Whether it's muffled enough to be nearly inaudible from the front, I don't know. I'm just pointing out the design of the CC570 warrants a more open space.

Yea, good points.
I have plenty of side space, and plenty of space to the rear...it is HEIGHT of that shelf that is a bummer. It is not like I am sliding it into a shoebox "container" but rather, a short but open on sides and rear...shelf. So you really think this is trouble if I set on rubber "mat"-type bottom over glass shelf??? Hmmm.... :eek:

i am in the same situation in a bello stand open
sides and front and rear on a glass shelf so far so
good have not noticed anything wrong with the
sound i did pull the 570 just pass the edge of the
front of the glass to keep reflections down.

How does the CC470 compare to the CC570?

How does the CC470 compare to the CC570?

Rahl-

Go to the website paradigm.com

They have pics and comparisons . Briefly the cc470 is a two-way and the cc570 is a true three-way.

The cc470 has a front firing port. It is located in the space that is occuped by the midrange driver on the 570. I'm not sure if it also has a port on the back.

Regards,

Charlie

Thanks guys, but I was really wanting to know how they compare to each other in sound quality.

Everyone on here says the 370 can sound boxy, and I wanted to know if the 470 compared to the 570 has any issues like that.

I'm sorry for not clarifying better.

Is there going to be a significant change in quality that warrants the $200 price difference?

when i was demoing the paradigm's i liked
the sound of the 570 over the 470 it is
definitly worth doing a comparison.

Hello Paradigm Owners!

I'm a newbie ... looking to buy some Paradigm speakers to build my HT. I'm just wondering whether any of you has purchased any thing, speakers in particular, from hometheaterbythesea website. They seems to have good price on the Paradigm speakers comparing to the local Authorized Dealer. If you did, how was your experience with their products and customer services? BTW, I'm from Dallas, Texas USA. I'd really appreciate any recomendations or pointers on where to get a good deal on these speakers.

Thank you all in advance,

all star audio video in houston very knowledgable and did me right

Hello Paradigm Owners!

I'm a newbie ... looking to buy some Paradigm speakers to build my HT. I'm just wondering whether any of you has purchased any thing, speakers in particular, from hometheaterbythesea website. They seems to have good price on the Paradigm speakers comparing to the local Authorized Dealer. If you did, how was your experience with their products and customer services? BTW, I'm from Dallas, Texas USA. I'd really appreciate any recomendations or pointers on where to get a good deal on these speakers.

Thank you all in advance,


Home Theater By The Sea is a rip off. They sell you something they don't have in stock and then after several weeks try to move you to something else. Sometimes they do have it in stock but they are not a authorized dealer. I called Paradigm about them on a AVM-30 and they said that they have thrown many warning by his way but ultimately they can't do anything but to him because he buy's the product from other people and resales it. I have comfirmed I did ask if I had a warranty issue would they cover it and they said if they found out it came form him no...

Hello Paradigm Owners!

I'm a newbie ... looking to buy some Paradigm speakers to build my HT. I'm just wondering whether any of you has purchased any thing, speakers in particular, from hometheaterbythesea website. They seems to have good price on the Paradigm speakers comparing to the local Authorized Dealer. If you did, how was your experience with their products and customer services? BTW, I'm from Dallas, Texas USA. I'd really appreciate any recomendations or pointers on where to get a good deal on these speakers.

Thank you all in advance,

There are (2) authorized dealers in Dallas that I know about. One is Audio Concepts (214-360-9520) and is located at Preston/Forest or Preston/Royal (can't remember). They only have Studio 60s and a few Para subs to listen to (but sell the entire line). They seem to offer very little or no discount on the speakers. The second is Kellum (214-526-1717). They have Monitor and Studios to demo (but sell the entire line too). They discount MSRP about 5%.

One other "unauthorized" Internet dealer is http://www.hifitrader.com/. I have not dealt with them but was looking into it. They offer discounts around 18%. My goal is to buy locally from an authorized dealer if I can get them down on the price a bit.

That HiFiTrader.com says that they sale "Certified Mint" products.

Most of them are not actually brand new. Some are, but I just looked at the Monitor 11s they have, and they have the little "100% Certified Mint" emblem on the purchase page.

And also, if you look, those speakers are only $100 cheaper (after shipping) than if you were to buy them from an authorized dealer.

Pleased to be able to join this group after recently purchasing my Paradigm setup:

Monitor 7's Front L/R
CC370 Center
ADP 370's X4
Velodyne CHT-10 w Def Tech SuperCube III
Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi
Pioneer Elite DV-45A
Denon 2910

I also use Polk speakers, but love the Paradigm sound as well. What has been your experience of a "break-in" period with Paradigms?

nelson,, if you mind ,,,, could you pls let me know how much did you spend on all 5 paradigm??

thx. k

Hello Tigerkn,

My complete Paradigm set which includes (4) ADP 370's, (2) Monitor 7's and (1) CC370 came to a total of 2528.00. (including tax) Purchased from 6th Avenue Electronics in NJ.

I have Paradigm Reference Studio 80's with a CC450. Side surrounds are ADP 470's and rear surrounds are Reference Studio 20's. Im using a Marantz SR9600 7.1 THX with a Sony Ruby projector on a 110" Stewart 130 screen. I'm also using a HPZ558 media center and a Richard Grey power conditioner. Finally a MX3000 remote to control it all My sub is a Paradigm PS1200. I also have a Yamaha DSP1 from my old system which I may or may not incorporate. Does any one see any reason to use this DSP1?????

You system looks really nice. I would recommend you add an external 200W amp for the Studio 80's. I'm sure they would benefit from the added juice! Look for something used if you have to. Maybe in the Rotel/B&K/Acurus/Parasound realm. Another option would be a pair of 200W monoblocks from Outlaw. One of the guys over in the Outlaw forum has a pair of Studio 60s with the older M-200 amps.

Good Luck,

Charlie

I am guessing you are talking about 60s not 80s. I agree with brubacca if it was my system I would go with a 200 watt. amp. I think that Sherbourn is the best choice. I have used several amps and for ME the Sherbourn was the best.

I am guessing you are talking about 60s not 80s. I agree with brubacca if it was my system I would go with a 200 watt. amp. I think that Sherbourn is the best choice. I have used several amps and for ME the Sherbourn was the best.
No, they're probably talking about the no-longer-manufactured Studio 80s (http://www.avrev.com/equip/paradigmstudio80/index.html).

As long as the specifications are very similar, Sherbourn vs some other amp doesn't really matter (IMO). I'm curious what you heard differently among the amps, assuming very similar specs? (Ugh.. I suppose I'm starting something up in the wrong thread..)

"No, they're probably talking about the no-longer-manufactured Studio 80s"
My Mistake

You know this will start a holy war, but if you want to PM me or start I new thread I will be more than happy to go over my findings.

Fair enough.. We can reserve that for the Amps forum.. and the many threads that go into such topics I suppose. :)

Hello Paradigm Owners!

I'm a newbie ... looking to buy some Paradigm speakers to build my HT. I'm just wondering whether any of you has purchased any thing, speakers in particular, from hometheaterbythesea website. They seems to have good price on the Paradigm speakers comparing to the local Authorized Dealer. If you did, how was your experience with their products and customer services? BTW, I'm from Dallas, Texas USA. I'd really appreciate any recomendations or pointers on where to get a good deal on these speakers.

Thank you all in advance,

Just my .02 for a newbie.

If you plan to stay in the hobby for the long haul find a local brick and mortar and develop a relationship with a sales person that treats you with respect. This doesn't mean you'll get a discount on your first purchase. If you do great, if not so what, it will payoff in the long run.

Treat the salesperson with the same respect that you expect from them. If the store is crowded and you're just looking, tell him/her you're just looking so they can help someone else. Ask a question or two and move on, don't lock them down for an hour when you know you're not there to buy that day.

If the store is empty spend a few hours with him/her and pick their brain. Get to know them a bit. Listen and learn. Most good salesmen know that if you're serious about this hobby you're going to sink some cash into it. If you can make your first purchase a small one do so and be willing to pay full price. Wait a month and go back and get something else small. What you want to establish is that you're a repeat customer. In between purchases drop in and ask what's new? When you're ready for the big purchase stop by a week or two in advance and say, next week I plan to get a 5.1 set up, I'm thinking about the Pdigms or whatever. If he tries to show you some stuff tell him you have to run but you'll stop back in when you're ready to buy. When you come back have cash in hand. Prices will start dropping, stuff will get thrown in for free (speaker wire, cables) in home demo's will be allowed. All kinds of doors open up.

A couple of key points. This type of salesperson is not easy to find, you will have to shop around. When you do find him don't insult him with the "I found it cheaper on the internet line."

Hope this helps.

YMMV

They definitely are studio 80's about 6 years old.

Hometheaterbythesea worked for me. Mint certified speakers were actually brand new in unopened boxes. I saw one minor defect in a tweeter a slight dimple and they promised to send another pronto.

Hometheaterbythesea worked for me. Mint certified speakers were actually brand new in unopened boxes. I saw one minor defect in a tweeter a slight dimple and they promised to send another pronto.

Let us know how that works out for you.

You system looks really nice. I would recommend you add an external 200W amp for the Studio 80's. I'm sure they would benefit from the added juice! Look for something used if you have to. Maybe in the Rotel/B&K/Acurus/Parasound realm. Another option would be a pair of 200W monoblocks from Outlaw. One of the guys over in the Outlaw forum has a pair of Studio 60s with the older M-200 amps.

Good Luck,

Charlie

Why would you recommend an external amp? The Marantz SR9600 is a top rated receiver and would be more than capable of driving those 80's sufficiently. Unless his room is the size of a small gym, I'm sure he'd be wasting his money.

A better recommendation would be upgrading the sub....a front firing PW or Servo would be a welcome addition to his setup. PS series decent output but too boomy and sloppy compared to the other series.

Why would you recommend an external amp? The Marantz SR9600 is a top rated receiver and would be more than capable of driving those 80's sufficiently. Unless his room is the size of a small gym, I'm sure he'd be wasting his money.

A better recommendation would be upgrading the sub....a front firing PW or Servo would be a welcome addition to his setup. PS series decent output but too boomy and sloppy compared to the other series.

Definitely not a waste of money adding an external amp. Your recommendation to upgrade the sub is probably a better first move though. If funds allow it a dedicated amp can do wonders.

I made my recommendation of adding an external amp for the Studio 80 based on things I have read over the years about people using Studio Series Speakers. I have read repeatedly about how people added an external amp and it opened up the performance of their Studio 60/80/100 speakers.

This is another argument all together, but I am a big fan of seperates. I just looked at that specs for that SRX9600 and I would have to say for that much money that Receiver better handle the Studio 80s at least pretty well.

Regards,

Charlie

Thanks all. The reason I asked about an external amp is that I have my Yamaha DSP 1 just hanging around.. I was looking to put it to use if it made sense. I am sure that my Marantz SR 9600could handle everything just fine. Ill let you know I should have everything up and running in 2 weeks.

Thanks all. The reason I asked about an external amp is that I have my Yamaha DSP 1 just hanging around.. I was looking to put it to use if it made sense. I am sure that my Marantz SR 9600could handle everything just fine. Ill let you know I should have everything up and running in 2 weeks.

If you have a good relationship with your dealer ask if you can demo a couple of amps in home. I tried out a Rotel 1095 and Anthem A2 in home, both made an improvement. I liked the A2 better. Unfortunately budget will not allow either at this time.

I will be upgrading the mounts on my rear speakers soon .since my seating is against the back wall I now use V.1 Cinemas with MB-60 mounts . I want to change the mounts to MB 40's to get more flexablilty to point the speakers down into the listning area & pointing inward the MB60 are not as adjustable as the 60's
I do not have the $$$ to upgrade the speakers to Studio To match my 40's upfront BUT will the Cinema 90's V.4 be a big improvement over my V.1 (70's)
OR should I look into the Cinema ADP against the back wall -One side is open into another room ?
Thanks For your thoughts

I have two Paradigm dealers in my area. One does an "up to one year / 100% trade in value if next purchase is at least twice as much", along with some other excellant return options.

The other doesn't offer squat.....

THANKS. Nice to know

I did go to a local dealer, but I was not to impressed.
Service, not really wanting to help at all.
I was clearly stating I was interested in a ' package " set up
Auditioned several combos.
The salesman just walked away several times when I had some questions.

If we are able to..

Can somewhere recommend some dealer to go in the SoCal area ?
I do not mind the drive
Would like to have the exchange/upgrade option too.
951, 714, or 626, maybe even 323 area code

Thanks

Go to Ahead Audio on Beverly. Should be easy to find. They are a decent Paradigm dealer in the west LA area.

Hometheaterbythesea worked for me. Mint certified speakers were actually brand new in unopened boxes. I saw one minor defect in a tweeter a slight dimple and they promised to send another pronto.
Scope1,

I was wondering if you were able to get your dimpled tweeter fixed yet? If they did get it fixed -- did they send out a new tweeter for you to install yourself or the entire speaker? I'm curious about their customer services and replacement speed.

Thanks!

I currently run 4 Atoms v2, a CC-170, and a PDR10 sub. The performance is excellent for the money but I am looking to upgrade.

Can somewhere recommend some dealer to go in the SoCal area ?
I do not mind the drive
Would like to have the exchange/upgrade option too.
951, 714, or 626, maybe even 323 area code

The guys at Systems Design Group in Redondo Beach are very good, but I know they have no upgrade options.

anyone using the j stands for their 20v3
and like them i have the s stands thinking
about upgrading to j's not sure if it is
worth it.

anyone using the j stands for their 20v3
and like them i have the s stands thinking
about upgrading to j's not sure if it is
worth it.

I'm using the J stands.

What are you trying to accomplish?

If you're looking for sound improvement then no, it's not worth it. If you like the way the Js look better than the Ss than yes it's worth it.

from the pictures they look more stable than the s stands

With regards to the V4 version of the Titans - what has changed vs. the V3 flavor?

It,s close to 2 weeks and I am still waiting for the replacement of the dimpled tweeter. They told me to use the speaker for now and a replacement will be on its way. I expect it to take about 2-3 weeks

It,s close to 2 weeks and I am still waiting for the replacement of the dimpled tweeter. They told me to use the speaker for now and a replacement will be on its way. I expect it to take about 2-3 weeks
Thanks for the update.

BTW -- are they sending just the replacement tweeter and you replace it yoursefl?

Hey Swithy.
Home theater by the Sea sent me a replacement Tweeter. Got it today. They get my vote I would definitely order from them again.

Hey Swithy.
Home theater by the Sea sent me a replacement Tweeter. Got it today. They get my vote I would definitely order from them again.
That is excellent news. Glad you got the part! Thanks for the follow-up.

Went here in Nashua, NH last Sat. and ordered set of S8.

Be here in 1-2 weeks.

Got 19% discount and have never seen so much high end gear.

If you live in New England, suggest you go visit them.

http://www.ensemble-hometheater.com/

Listened to S8 vs Studio 100 and S8 won hands down.

May get a C5 for Xmas!!

Zorro99, Congrats on the S8's. I have a set for my 2 channel system and love 'em. Do you mind if I ask what your running them with? I don't see to many S8 postings around and would like to get other owners impressions.

I have some bass issues I'm trying to resolve. They seem kinda thin on some cd's. I plan on a couple bass traps soon.

Highs get a little brittle for me, but again, it's the room in my case. Not enough soft stuff in the room.

Mids are to die for. I have no complaints or observed any shortfallings at all.

When S8's arrive will try them with Marantz 8500 Receiver I have.

After broken in, if I don't like that, may have to put in switch to share with my Bryston 4BSST that is powering my 19 yr. old Polk SRS-SDA 185 lb. monsters with 8 tweeters, 16 mids, and 2 15in. passive radiators. Also have Paradigm PW-2200
sub.

Right now, the Bryston powers those 26 Polk drivers and the Marantz powers my home theater speakers and I can play HT speakers or Polks or both. With everything playing at once, it's a total wall of sound 18 ft. accross.

The S8 will be used for 2 channel and full HT, where as the Polks are only used for 2 channel and not everyday as I'd like to get a lot more years off them as they have been used very little until the last 12 months.

Hope to add C5 center by Xmas if can find a stand to put in front of 56" DLP .

C5 has to be higher than my components on DLP stand, but below the viewing portion of DLP. Have a very small vertical window of space to work with.

Hi guy's

I recently ordered the Studio 60 v3's for the front with ROTEL RSX-1067 receiver. When i listened to this combo at the dealer it sounded great. My question is do you think 100 watts rating of the Rotel will be enough to run these speakers? or should i get an separate Power Amp to run the front Studio 60's?

I have an Extra $1200 i can put towards a Power amp but if you guy's think if it is a waste of money then i will stick with the Rotel receiver.

I was thinking 2 chanel Power amp to run the front studio 60's. Than run the Center CC570 and the studio 20 Surrounds off the receiver? Would that be a good idea. Would i notice the difference?

Thanks guy's

Ok, is everyone sure I should switch the sides of my adp470 back surrounds? I did a search at avs and one guy emailed paradigm on this. They wrote back that the back surrounds should be placed as they're marked on the speaker and not switched? So who's right here? My 2nd pair of adp470's is arriving tomorrow and I'll be in 7.1 land tomorrow night :)

thanks

Hi guy's

I recently ordered the Studio 60 v3's for the front with ROTEL RSX-1067 receiver. When i listened to this combo at the dealer it sounded great. My question is do you think 100 watts rating of the Rotel will be enough to run these speakers? or should i get an separate Power Amp to run the front Studio 60's?

I have an Extra $1200 i can put towards a Power amp but if you guy's think if it is a waste of money then i will stick with the Rotel receiver.

I was thinking 2 chanel Power amp to run the front studio 60's. Than run the Center CC570 and the studio 20 Surrounds off the receiver? Would that be a good idea. Would i notice the difference?

Thanks guy's

If you have the funds and the space get a seperate amp.

Hi guy's

I recently ordered the Studio 60 v3's for the front with ROTEL RSX-1067 receiver. When i listened to this combo at the dealer it sounded great. My question is do you think 100 watts rating of the Rotel will be enough to run these speakers? or should i get an separate Power Amp to run the front Studio 60's?

I have an Extra $1200 i can put towards a Power amp but if you guy's think if it is a waste of money then i will stick with the Rotel receiver.

I was thinking 2 chanel Power amp to run the front studio 60's. Than run the Center CC570 and the studio 20 Surrounds off the receiver? Would that be a good idea. Would i notice the difference?

Thanks guy's

There's a good chance that you DON'T need a separate power amp. Unless you're room is over 3000 cubic feet, and/or you sit more than 12 feet away from the front speakers, 100 watts will go plenty loud for most people, and with a sub you should be able to hit the 105dB peaks (Dolby Digital reference level). Also keep in mind that you have to double the wattage to get just a 3dB increase in the overall volume. So in the end, unless you can hear distortion when playing music / movies loudly, you probably don't need an outboard amp. To put you mind at ease, see if your dealer will loan you an amp to try out for yourself.

Ok, is everyone sure I should switch the sides of my adp470 back surrounds? I did a search at avs and one guy emailed paradigm on this. They wrote back that the back surrounds should be placed as they're marked on the speaker and not switched? So who's right here? My 2nd pair of adp470's is arriving tomorrow and I'll be in 7.1 land tomorrow night :)

thanks

The reason the ADPs have directional markings on them is because the drivers on a dipolar speaker operate out of phase with one another. If you position them the wrong way they will be out of phase with the other speakers in your set up and the interference between the speakers will cause cancellations in the sound. You'll know when you have them facing the right way because the sound will be full and wide. Face them the wrong way and the sound should become comparatively narrow and weak.

Thanks, just wondering why Paradigm responded that way? You'd think they would have tested the speakers in that setup before. hmm...

There's a good chance that you DON'T need a separate power amp. Unless you're room is over 3000 cubic feet, and/or you sit more than 12 feet away from the front speakers, 100 watts will go plenty loud for most people, and with a sub you should be able to hit the 105dB peaks (Dolby Digital reference level). Also keep in mind that you have to double the wattage to get just a 3dB increase in the overall volume. So in the end, unless you can hear distortion when playing music / movies loudly, you probably don't need an outboard amp. To put you mind at ease, see if your dealer will loan you an amp to try out for yourself.

:)

Nor do we need 60s 100s or S8.

A separate amp can bring more to the table than just high volume levels.

A seperate amp in his case is not a priority IMO.....if he had a cheezy Sony or Kenwood receiver model, then yes, he could probably benefit from external amplification. He has a decent receiver and to spend $1000 on an amp, well, that could go towards other things.

But as a previous poster mentioned, try one and see for yourself.

Agree w/ JohnGZ28. A separate amp does more than increase the peak volume. I've gone from a good receiver w/ a measured 130W/channel to a 200W sep amp running a Studio 100 and the difference was big, even at low listening levels.

Having said that, I have no experience w/ the Studio 60s. Ask your dealer to lend you a separate amp, try it, and let us know what you think.

Thank's for the respond guy's

I phoned my dealer today. They will give me an separate Amp this weekend to try it out. The Amp is ROTEL RMB-1075. I will let you guy's know if it made any difference.

Ok, is everyone sure I should switch the sides of my adp470 back surrounds? I did a search at avs and one guy emailed paradigm on this. They wrote back that the back surrounds should be placed as they're marked on the speaker and not switched? So who's right here? My 2nd pair of adp470's is arriving tomorrow and I'll be in 7.1 land tomorrow night :)

thanks

You need to place the surrounds so that the arrow points to the front of the room (or L or R in the appropriate place -- facing the front of the room). The back surrounds should be placed so that the arrows point towards each other (or R should go on the left, L on the right -- facing the front of the room).

:)

Nor do we need 60s 100s or S8.

A separate amp can bring more to the table than just high volume levels.


I'm curious as to what type of improvements you heard with a separate amp and what level of receiver you are comparing it to? I have a Denon 5800 mated up to Paradigm S4's (augmented by a sub). I've tried a couple of different amps (both weighed more than my receiver alone) and heard no difference within the volume ranges I listen (up to 95dB for music and 105dB for movies). And I don't believe this is for the lack a "good ear". I auditioned no less than five speaker brands and various models in my home before choosing the Paradigms. I heard distinct differences between all of those speakers.

In fact, I actually traded a pair of S8's for the S4's because I was able to get smoother bass response from the s4's and sub combo. I just didn't have the room to pull the S8's out from the walls as much as they needed. In my case, bigger did not equal better nor was it the right choice for my application.

In regards to your argument that, "we don't need 60's, 100's, or S8's", I would say that there are relatively significant differences between going up in speaker size vs going up in amp size. The larger speaker not only gives you greater output capability, it gives you greater bass extension. And in the case of the 100's you also get slightly better midrange clarity because it uses a dedicated midrange driver (the driver in the 60's is the midbass type). My point is that the difference in sound quality between a large and small speaker are often easily discernable. With an amp, if you aren't driving it into clipping, it has been my experience that the differences are often slight if perceivable at all. Of course, based on your previous response, I understand that you feel differently.

Those are some good points you pointed out hifisponge,

The only reason i wan't to try a separate amp is to see if there is a difference in sound quality that i might be lacking. I never heard the Studio 60 v3's with a separate Amp. And from the feedbacks i read here, people are saying that these speakers (100's 60's) sound much more better with a separe amp. I guess more crystal clear. I will pick up the ROTEL amp from my dealer this weekend and do some serious listening my self to see if there is a big difference in sound quality. If there isn't much noticable diffrence than i will stick with my receiver.

Those are some good points you pointed out hifisponge,

The only reason i wan't to try a separate amp is to see if there is a difference in sound quality that i might be lacking. I never heard the Studio 60 v3's with a separate Amp. And from the feedbacks i read here, people are saying that these speakers (100's 60's) sound much more better with a separe amp. I guess more crystal clear. I will pick up the ROTEL amp from my dealer this weekend and do some serious listening my self to see if there is a big difference in sound quality. If there isn't much noticable diffrence than i will stick with my receiver.
Let us know how that goes, you might convince me to audition a separate amp with my Studio 60s. ;) Did you configure your speakers "small" or "large"? I run mine "small" so that's why I've been kind of hesitant to try a separate amp, my Denon receiver doesn't have to work quite as hard as it would if I needed to run them "large".

Hi redline,

My studio 60's are set to "SMALL" Center "SMALL" rears "SMALL" i usually let the SUB handle everything. When i had them setup at "LARGE" the bass from the 60's over powered everything. I had to turn the sub crossover down. The speakers where not as clear as they where before with the volume up.

To really test it appropriately, get someone to help you do a random blind test. If you have banana plugs, you can have them disconnect from the amp and connect to the receiver, and vice versa, (without you looking), but disconnect and reconnect to the same one occasionally as well, and not have them tell you which one they're connecting. Then play some high quality source material that you're very familiar with and that tests a full range of frequencies. Also, try it with the sub disconnected, and then with it connected to see if there's a difference as well (obviously it will sound different between those, but what I mean is Amp + Sub vs Receiver + Sub, and then just Amp vs Receiver no sub).

Well call me crazy but I have my 40's set to large -I have my crossover set @ 100 -the LFE to main & LFE and I took the setting from the normal EQ on my 3805 & made a manual EW setting with MORE LOWS
And I think it sounds great nice & thick !
It my by since I do not have a great sub(PDR8 ) that I am looking for more lows from my 40s .
When I set it to small, 80Hz crossover I can tell that the lows are comming from the right corner of my room ( Lows are non-directional and you shouldf not be able to tell where the FEQ is comming from ) NOT IN MY HOUSE

Those are some good points you pointed out hifisponge,

The only reason i wan't to try a separate amp is to see if there is a difference in sound quality that i might be lacking. I never heard the Studio 60 v3's with a separate Amp. And from the feedbacks i read here, people are saying that these speakers (100's 60's) sound much more better with a separe amp. I guess more crystal clear. I will pick up the ROTEL amp from my dealer this weekend and do some serious listening my self to see if there is a big difference in sound quality. If there isn't much noticable diffrence than i will stick with my receiver.

No problem, just sharing my knowledge and experience. Your's may be different.

For what it is worth, I had no trouble at all powering the S8's I used to own with the Denon 5800. (The S8 has the same driver configuration as the Studio 100.)

And take miltimj's advice about doing a blind test, but also make sure you match the volume levels of each amp using an SPL meter (or even better a voltometer if you have one.) Without a blind test, with properly matched levels, you are likely to favor the more expensive amp or the louder one (even if the difference in volume is slight.)

Cheers,

- Tim

I'm curious as to what type of improvements you heard with a separate amp and what level of receiver you are comparing it to? I have a Denon 5800 mated up to Paradigm S4's (augmented by a sub). I've tried a couple of different amps (both weighed more than my receiver alone) and heard no difference within the volume ranges I listen (up to 95dB for music and 105dB for movies). And I don't believe this is for the lack a "good ear". I auditioned no less than five speaker brands and various models in my home before choosing the Paradigms. I heard distinct differences between all of those speakers.

In fact, I actually traded a pair of S8's for the S4's because I was able to get smoother bass response from the s4's and sub combo. I just didn't have the room to pull the S8's out from the walls as much as they needed. In my case, bigger did not equal better nor was it the right choice for my application.

In regards to your argument that, "we don't need 60's, 100's, or S8's", I would say that there are relatively significant differences between going up in speaker size vs going up in amp size. The larger speaker not only gives you greater output capability, it gives you greater bass extension. And in the case of the 100's you also get slightly better midrange clarity because it uses a dedicated midrange driver (the driver in the 60's is the midbass type). My point is that the difference in sound quality between a large and small speaker are often easily discernable. With an amp, if you aren't driving it into clipping, it has been my experience that the differences are often slight if perceivable at all. Of course, based on your previous response, I understand that you feel differently.

Let me start off with my disclaimers.

I did not do any double blind, triple blind or quadruple blind tests. The moon was not full, the stars were not aligned, it wasn't the 3rd Tuesday of the 5th Month of the 2005th year. The test were done in my house, in my room, with my ears and the results I got were satisfying to me and made me happy and when it comes to my home theater I'm the only voice that counts.

Having said that, my speakers are 60s, 570, 20s all v3. I narrowed my selections down to the Rotel 1098-1095 Anthem AVM30-MCA50 and Denon 4806. All three got in home auditions (individually) on back to back to back weekends. All three were excellent to my ears but each had a unique sound (much more so with redbook CDs than movie DVDs). I liked the Anthem combo the best but purchased the 4806. The Denon had more features that I wanted and I got tired of waiting for Anthem to update the 30. (glad I got the Denon cause I'd still be waiting on Anthem). Having liked the Anthem combo I auditioned an Anthem A2 in home after purchasing the Denon. I chose the A2 because the sound difference that I noticed was more with 2 channel music than movies. Spent a weekend with the A2 using the 4806 as a pre-pro. With the A2 Miles Davis visited my house and played Sketches of Spain for me. Terry Evans really Puttin Down on his JVC XRCD. Megumi Kanda's trombone played Amazing Grace like I never heard it before. The list goes on and on. With the A2 and the 60s all the usual clichés applied, they were more open, highs were cleaner, bass had more punch, etc. etc.

Bottom line is to my ears the 60s sounded better with the A2 + 4806 than the 4806 alone.

My comment about "needing" 60s or 100s… was definitely not meant to be taken as an argument. It was meant on a much bigger scale in that do we really need to spend all the cash that we do on this hobby when kids are starving, people are homeless etc.

ILKER if you can try a 1080 or 1090 even a 1095 you may notice a bigger difference than with the 1075

And take miltimj's advice about doing a blind test, but also make sure you match the volume levels of each amp using an SPL meter (or even better a voltometer if you have one.) Without a blind test, with properly matched levels, you are likely to favor the more expensive amp or the louder one (even if the difference in volume is slight.)
Excellent point -- I forgot to add that important part of the equation. Thanks.

Let me start off with my disclaimers.

I did not do any double blind, triple blind or quadruple blind tests. The moon was not full, the stars were not aligned, it wasn't the 3rd Tuesday of the 5th Month of the 2005th year. The test were done in my house, in my room, with my ears and the results I got were satisfying to me and made me happy and when it comes to my home theater I'm the only voice that counts.

Having said that, my speakers are 60s, 570, 20s all v3. I narrowed my selections down to the Rotel 1098-1095 Anthem AVM30-MCA50 and Denon 4806. All three got in home auditions (individually) on back to back to back weekends. All three were excellent to my ears but each had a unique sound (much more so with redbook CDs than movie DVDs). I liked the Anthem combo the best but purchased the 4806. The Denon had more features that I wanted and I got tired of waiting for Anthem to update the 30. (glad I got the Denon cause I'd still be waiting on Anthem). Having liked the Anthem combo I auditioned an Anthem A2 in home after purchasing the Denon. I chose the A2 because the sound difference that I noticed was more with 2 channel music than movies. Spent a weekend with the A2 using the 4806 as a pre-pro. With the A2 Miles Davis visited my house and played Sketches of Spain for me. Terry Evans really Puttin Down on his JVC XRCD. Megumi Kanda's trombone played Amazing Grace like I never heard it before. The list goes on and on. With the A2 and the 60s all the usual clichés applied, they were more open, highs were cleaner, bass had more punch, etc. etc.

Bottom line is to my ears the 60s sounded better with the A2 + 4806 than the 4806 alone.

My comment about "needing" 60s or 100s… was definitely not meant to be taken as an argument. It was meant on a much bigger scale in that do we really need to spend all the cash that we do on this hobby when kids are starving, people are homeless etc.

ILKER if you can try a 1080 or 1090 even a 1095 you may notice a bigger difference than with the 1075

No problem. I'm not taking you to task, as they say. I try to keep an open mind about these things and I'm really just interested in hearing what your experiences were. Especially when I hear no difference and others claim, like yourself, that the improvement was worth the investment. So, cliché or not, if you could be more descriptive of the changes, it may help me know what to listen for when I audition again, which I most certainly will.

Cheers,

- Tim

Sorry if this was asked in the last twenty pages.

Can someone tell me how they feel about their C5? How does it match timbre wise with, say, the S4s for left and right? Is there any dispersion issues with this speaker or has the vertical tweeter/midrange driver arrangement solved the problem? And if it is still a problem, has anyone dared to try S4s for all three across the front? Thanks.

Sorry if this was asked in the last twenty pages.

Can someone tell me how they feel about their C5? How does it match timbre wise with, say, the S4s for left and right? Is there any dispersion issues with this speaker or has the vertical tweeter/midrange driver arrangement solved the problem? And if it is still a problem, has anyone dared to try S4s for all three across the front? Thanks.

The C5 is an amazing speaker. It is virtually an S8 turned on it's side. The dispersion is great, for the very reason you mention. Because the midrange has been placed below the tweeter, off-axis is much more consistent. You just want to make sure you have the room to properly place the monster. It has considerable bass output, and if you don't give it room to breath, it could sound bloated. I have to ask though, why not just get the C3? It is a better performance match for the S4s. (I own the S4s and a C3.) Or even better, if you have the room for a vertically oriented S4, I would go that way. The front would sound seamless.

How do you like your S4s? Everybody raves about the 8s, but these get short shrift. I imagine they blend well with the right sub and don't feel "thin" on dialogue/effects. Am I right?

How do you like your S4s? Everybody raves about the 8s, but these get short shrift. I imagine they blend well with the right sub and don't feel "thin" on dialogue/effects. Am I right?

Long story short, I picked them over Revel, Dynaudio, Martin Logan, Sonus Faber, and several others. I love them. While they don't have extended bass, they definitely do not sound thin. It's actually funny that you mention that. The speakers I replaced we a bit dry and thin, which is one of things I was trying to remedy with new speakers.

I've got the S4's mated up to a Velodyne DD15 sub. I actually owned the S8's before the S4's, but because I had limited placement options, I could not get smooth bass response out of them. No fault of the speaker, just the right speaker in the wrong room. I don't miss them with the S4 and DD15 combo.

Cheers,

- Tim

No problem. I'm not taking you to task, as they say. I try to keep an open mind about these things and I'm really just interested in hearing what your experiences were. Especially when I hear no difference and others claim, like yourself, that the improvement was worth the investment. So, cliché or not, if you could be more descriptive of the changes, it may help me know what to listen for when I audition again, which I most certainly will.

Cheers,

- Tim

I'll try and post a detailed explanation over the weekend.

I'm looking to upgrade my Denon receiver over the next few months to accommodate a new HDTV. I currently have a 3802. I'm also thinking about upgrading from Monitor 7's to Studio 60's (with a CC470/570). I'm using cheap surrounds (kids/cats).

Would a Denon 3806 be sufficient to drive Studio 60's and a CC570? Or would an external Amp paired with a 2806 be a better solution?

jdg

I've got the Denon AVR 3806 powering the Studio 60s and CC470, along with Paradigm SR15s for surrounds, and it's more than adequate. I'm also using the SB channels of this 7.1 receiver to bi-amp the Studio 60s and that makes it even better.
While it never hurts to use a separate amp', I think you'd be unnecessarily sacrificing many features of the 3806 by downgrading to the 2806. Just MHO; YMMV.

I've got the Denon AVR 3806 powering the Studio 60s and CC470, along with Paradigm SR15s for surrounds, and it's more than adequate. I'm also using the SB channels of this 7.1 receiver to bi-amp the Studio 60s and that makes it even better.
So it makes a pretty noticeable difference bi-amping with the SB channels? I think my AVR-985S will do that too but I haven't tried it. I might have to give it a shot with my Studio 60s.

The difference is most noticeable when playing in Stereo/Direct mode, but there is a perceptible improvement on the overall sound of 5.1 playback, too.

Hey guys just an update I just was at my paradigm dealers to kill a lunch hour & he had the S4s driven by a Vincent Hybrid Integrated Amplifier SV-236 and a Vincent Hybrid CD-Player CD-S6 . KILLER Sound . Hands down one of the best set up I ever herd. Sweet highs & Deep lows Mids effortless .
Made my 40's with denon 3805 sound like AM radio
Where is the money better spent upgrading to S4's (and keep the denon) Or adding an amp to my set up now .

Hey guys just an update I just was at my paradigm dealers to kill a lunch hour & he had the S4s driven by a Vincent Hybrid Integrated Amplifier SV-236 and a Vincent Hybrid CD-Player CD-S6 . KILLER Sound . Hands down one of the best set up I ever herd. Sweet highs & Deep lows Mids effortless .
Made my 40's with denon 3805 sound like AM radio
Where is the money better spent upgrading to S4's (and keep the denon) Or adding an amp to my set up now .

Tough call, but I recently compared a Bryston setup with an Anthem setup, with both powering S8s. Now I was expecting a lot but I've heard better at my friend's house and he has older Anthem gear powering Studio 60s Ver 2. I should also add that he's tweaked his room and his system over the years to squeeze every ounce of performance from a fairly affordable system. The salesman also agreed that his room sucked and his speaker placement was not ideal. So what I'm trying to get at is a) room treatments first and b) Your Studio 40s' can prolly sound really sweet with the right equipment, don't sell those speakers short. So maybe you should dump the Denon and move to good separates.

Heard good things about the Vincents (a line from Thorens in Germany), assembled in China to keep the costs down.

I was about to buy a pair of cinema ADP, but the seller show me a pair of the discontinued ADP-70 for almost the same price.
Is there one better than the other, since the ADP-70 case is in wood and the other in plastic. Plus the ADP-70 tweeter is on top of the speaker, i dont know if it changes something. The ADP-70 are much bigger and space is a problem since my couch in on the wall (for now, will move someday).
So is there a good deal on the ADP-70 that i should not miss, or the new cinema ADP will do the same job with the same quality?
Here are the specs.
ADP-70
Type Surround
Design 4-driver, 2-way optimized reverberant surround / rear
Crossover 2nd-order electro-acoustic at 3.0kHz
High-Frequency Driver Two 14mm (5/8in) polymer domes
Bass / Midrange Driver(s) Two 115mm (4-1/2in) treated composite cones
Low Frequency Extension 70Hz (DIN)*
Frequency Response 90Hz - 20kHz (reverberant soundfield)
Sensitivity 89dB / 86dB
Suitable Amplifier Power Range 15 - 80 watts
Maximum Input Power 60 watts
Impedance Compatible with 8 ohms


Cinema ADP
Type: Surround/Rear On-wall / stand-mounted
Design (Magneshield™): 4-Driver, 2-Way acoustic suspension surround/rear, mineral-filled polymer enclosure, optimized reverberant soundfield
Crossover: 3rd-order electro-acoustic at 2.0 kHz
High-Frequency Driver(s): Two 25-mm (1 in) PTD™ domes, neodymium magnets
Bass/Midrange Driver(s): Two 90-mm (3-1/2 in) ICP™ cones
Low Frequency Extension: 100 Hz
Frequency Response ±2dB from 150Hz–20kHz (reverberant soundfield)
Sensitivity Room/Anechoic: 90dB / 87dB
Suitable Amplifier Power Range: 15–100 watts
Maximum Input Power : 50 watts
Impedance: Compatible With 8 0hms
Internal Volume: 1.5 L / 0.05 cu ft
Height, Width, Depth: 19.1 x 12.1 x 13.4 cm -- 7-1/2 x 4-3/4 x 5-1/4 in
Weight – lb (kg): 1.6 kg / 3.6 lb each


Thank you

Just got my Monitor 5 and S Series stand. Am I supposed to screw the stand to the bottom of my speakers? Will it damage it? How do I secure my speakers to the stand?

Thanks!

Alos, what are the spikes for? From what I read, I believe it's to separate the speakers from the floor. I have a wood floor and my wife will kill me if I scratch it. Any suggestions on what to use in between?

Alos, what are the spikes for? From what I read, I believe it's to separate the speakers from the floor. I have a wood floor and my wife will kill me if I scratch it. Any suggestions on what to use in between?

Go to WalMart or Target and find a couple of wood cutting boards and put the speaker stands on them. Or google cutting boards and you may be able to find one that matches your wood floor for a little more money. Or you can skip the spikes and just use the rubber dots. Or go to Lowes or HD and get a few wood tiles that match your floor. :)

Just got my Monitor 5 and S Series stand. Am I supposed to screw the stand to the bottom of my speakers? Will it damage it? How do I secure my speakers to the stand?

Thanks!

I'm not sure about the M5s but my Ref 20s are screwed directly to the stands.

Alos, what are the spikes for? From what I read, I believe it's to separate the speakers from the floor. I have a wood floor and my wife will kill me if I scratch it. Any suggestions on what to use in between?
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They have spike kits with floor protectors for $0.90. I have them under my M7's on hardwood, they work great.

I've got the Denon AVR 3806 powering the Studio 60s and CC470, along with Paradigm SR15s for surrounds, and it's more than adequate. I'm also using the SB channels of this 7.1 receiver to bi-amp the Studio 60s and that makes it even better.
While it never hurts to use a separate amp', I think you'd be unnecessarily sacrificing many features of the 3806 by downgrading to the 2806. Just MHO; YMMV.
I have an Onkyo SR703 and M7's up front. I was going to bi-amp the sb channel to the M7's but I thought it would sound strange having a rear channel coming from the front. So I never tried it. silber seems to like this set-up. Does anyone else do this?(with M7's?) I plan to upgrade to S40's this year. Would this speaker be a better candidate for this type of set-up?
Thanks

I have an Onkyo SR703 and M7's up front. I was going to bi-amp the sb channel to the M7's but I thought it would sound strange having a rear channel coming from the front. So I never tried it. silber seems to like this set-up. Does anyone else do this?(with M7's?) I plan to upgrade to S40's this year. Would this speaker be a better candidate for this type of set-up?
Thanks

I don't know about the capability of your Onkyo AVR, but the Denon allows you to reassign the surround back channels as front channels. You're not actually sending the SB signal to the fronts. The benefit of biamping is debatable. All you can do is try it to see if there are any positive audible change to your ears.

I'll have berber carpet under mine, with spikes..

Hometheaterbythesea worked for me. Mint certified speakers were actually brand new in unopened boxes. I saw one minor defect in a tweeter a slight dimple and they promised to send another pronto.


Does anyone else have experience with this company? The prices are great! :)

I've spoken to them, and they seem very honest, reliable and reasonably priced. However, they are not authorized dealers for most brands they sell.

I've spoken to them, and they seem very honest, reliable and reasonably priced.

:D

They wouldn't be very good crooks if they came off as dishonest, ureliable and had high prices.

I have NO knowledge of the company in question, I'm just making a point that you really can't tell over the phone.

Some people have had luck some have not. They are not a authorized dealer so be sure that the price is low enough for you not to feel bad when the product breaks down and there is no one to fix it (for free).

:D

They wouldn't be very good crooks if they came off as dishonest, ureliable and had high prices.

I have NO knowledge of the company in question, I'm just making a point that you really can't tell over the phone.
Point well taken. Sometimes you can't tell in person, either.

Ok, I have been using the search tool for an hour trying to find my answer, but I have not found them. I am wanting to get a pair of Studio 20 v.3's for a living room stereo/2.1 setup. The problem is that due to WAF no speakers on stands are allowed. I do have a shelf on either side of the television that these speakers can sit on, but my dilema is that everyone seems to always have these mounted on a stand. Is it not ok to sit these on a bookshelf (even with some sort of rubber feet attached?) Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is a deal breaker for me. The commander is very picky about what speakers she is going to allow in her living room....the only ones to pass the "pretty" test are these and the Onix Rockets. I want these over the Rockets, so somebody please tell me that sitting them on a bookshelf is ok!! Thanks!

Why don't you just move up to the Studio 60 floorstanders if you can't run stands? Oh, and as always with these WAF posts, I truly don't understand how the W has more decision-making power than us "guys"....it's your living room too!

Floorstanders are not an option either, or else the bookshelf on a stand would be fine as well. The speakers have to be bookshelf and have to sit on the existing furniture (so stands or wall mounting). I would try to throw my weight around a little more in the situation, but she is letting me have a dedicated HT room with a projector, screen, and full 7.1......SO, since I get to have my room I am letting her completely dictate what can and cannot go in the living room. She would be ok not having any speakers besides the ones on the tv, but if I am ever going to watch tv or movies in the living room then I have to at least have 2.1! Does anybody know if the Studio 20's can be placed directly on a shelf, even if rubber feet or something has to be used? Thanks again in advance for any help!

I think if you put a bookshelf speaker on something like a bookshelf, god comes and deafens you permanently for being a smartass....

Seriously, it's 2.1 being forced onto existing furniture, if the existing furniture will support the weight, then yes 20s can be put on anything.

Now mounting them in whipped cream or on feathers...

Sorry just couldn't resist.

Yeah, I still would not count out mounting the speakers on feathers if the wife got the notion to! She might think that was pretty or something :rolleyes: . Anyways, the only reason I'm concerned is that everyone else seems to always have these speakers mounted on a stand and also it does not appear that Paradigm includes any spikes or rubber feet with these (so I am not sure Paradigm intends anything other than stand mounting). Anyways, thanks for the replies, and the laughs!

Barret

One quick question all. How much do studio 100s usually run per pair? My parents are in the market for some, but cannot find any dealers in their area. TIA.

I think if you put a bookshelf speaker on something like a bookshelf, god comes and deafens you permanently for being a smartass

Hey, there's bookshelf speakers, and then theres Studio 20's..

:)

One quick question all. How much do studio 100s usually run per pair? My parents are in the market for some, but cannot find any dealers in their area. TIA.

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.htm#Paradigm

Ok, I have been using the search tool for an hour trying to find my answer, but I have not found them. I am wanting to get a pair of Studio 20 v.3's for a living room stereo/2.1 setup. The problem is that due to WAF no speakers on stands are allowed. I do have a shelf on either side of the television that these speakers can sit on, but my dilema is that everyone seems to always have these mounted on a stand. Is it not ok to sit these on a bookshelf (even with some sort of rubber feet attached?) Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is a deal breaker for me. The commander is very picky about what speakers she is going to allow in her living room....the only ones to pass the "pretty" test are these and the Onix Rockets. I want these over the Rockets, so somebody please tell me that sitting them on a bookshelf is ok!! Thanks!
Since the Studio 20s are front ported, you should be fine. I'd just be sure that the speakers are pushed as forward as your wife will allow. This will reduce any boundary issues from items on either side of the speaker. Also, since you are planning to utilize a sub, crossing those babies over at 80Hz will further reduce any port issues that may be caused by it being on the shelf. Rubber feet are an option but I don't think you'll need them unless you run them "large" and at very high levels. In the end, these speaker IMO are very forgiving and sound great for there very small size.