could you have a ground loop issue? Did you hook up another speaker to it to confirm that there is something in the feed and not a issue with the speaker?

Ground loops produce a low hum, so i dont think it would be that.


A hiss is common in speakers, especially higher efficiency speakers. If there is any noise within the system though, the receiver will amplify this signal and make it more prominent. If its very audible during movie playback well then it could be something else, my guess an issue with the receivers amp section for that channel, or the source just has the usual low level hiss.

More pics of S6, C3 and S2's.

Hey bluemark81, have you experimented with center channel placement at all? I've found that in a lot of systems where the center channel is pushed back on the stand the center will produce heavy early reflections off the stand and thus not provide best performance. I tried this with my center a while back in dialouge was definately improved. Anyway just a experimental suggestion! Again great setup! :cool:

Ground loops produce a low hum, so i dont think it would be that.


A hiss is common in speakers, especially higher efficiency speakers. If there is any noise within the system though, the receiver will amplify this signal and make it more prominent. If its very audible during movie playback well then it could be something else, my guess an issue with the receivers amp section for that channel, or the source just has the usual low level hiss.

Yeah, it's pretty low level. I tend to notice those things. The odd thing is it's only during dialogue, and only from the center channel. That makes me think it's probably the movie. I don't hear it at all during music playback. Is there a good way to test the receiver's amp section other than trying other sources? I don't have another speaker unfortunately, unless I hook up a side.

Hey bluemark81, have you experimented with center channel placement at all? I've found that in a lot of systems where the center channel is pushed back on the stand the center will produce heavy early reflections off the stand and thus not provide best performance. I tried this with my center a while back in dialouge was definately improved. Anyway just a experimental suggestion! Again great setup! :cool:

Yes, noticed the same, but with the Anthem/ARC, it compensates for this, so it becomes moot issue. Another beauty of Anthem's pre/pros.

could you have a ground loop issue? Did you hook up another speaker to it to confirm that there is something in the feed and not a issue with the speaker?

I doubt a ground loop as that would tend to be 50hz or 60hz and hiss is more typically well over 1000hz.

If the hiss is only noticeable on the center channel and the speakers are driven by an AVR how could the center have a ground loop problem but not the other speakers?

At what point in the movie did you notice the hiss? Have you listened to that same section with headphones?


Brian

If the hiss is only noticeable on the center channel and the speakers are driven by an AVR how could the center have a ground loop problem but not the other speakers?



Nothings impossible - its an electronic device... man made


Replay that track, switch the speaker wires from the center channel to one of the mains and see what you get....

v4s have the G-Pal tweeter. primary difference is the cabinets

My bad, thanks. Yeah, the v.5 cabinets are much nicer - a bit less boxy looking. I had a listen to the 100 v.5's, very nice, and as is typical with Paradigm an outstanding value.

Well I brought home my CC stand this afternoon to spray it over the weekend and temporarily set it up while we watched Monsters vs. Aliens on BluRay.

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05541.jpg

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z285/vikingdwarf/DSC05542.jpg

I'm going to spray it to match the kickplate/feet on the Studio 100s and fill the columns with sand. It's pretty substantial already at about 40 lbs.

J.

Great work, nice looking stand!

Thanks...it certainly beats the piano bench, which I have packed up and ready to ship to Osofast...:) I didn't like the JC stand from Paradigm and the materials for this stand were a fraction of the cost.

I'll post a couple of pics when it's done.

J.

Do you guys think Paradigm Studio 60 v3's would be good surrounds for JTR Triple 8's? I am having a hard time selling them and for the price I think they would be good. My concern is they will be very close to the wall, I'd be lucky to get a foot behind them max

Jason,

Looking good.


Goonstopher,

I have a v.3 Studio setup (20s/CC470/ADP470) and have been looking for a clean pair of v.3 60s in black. If that is what you have (and for sale), PM me.

Mike Sherman

Would Studio 60 v3's sitting one foot from the rear wall and one of them also sitting inches from the side wall - both just a couple feet from the MLP be overkill for surrounds?

Just purchased my first paradigm speakers (Monitor 9's) and am enjoying them immensely.

Now a I'm looking for a receiver to pair with them with 2 HMDI outs. I've found the Denon AVR-4310, Onkyo NR-3007, Yamaha RX-V3900, Marantz SR8002, and Pioneer SC-27. Given that I may upgrade to the Studio 60's within a year which receiver/s would best compliment them (either 9's or 60's).

Thanks in advance for any advice!

Would Studio 60 v3's sitting one foot from the rear wall and one of them also sitting inches from the side wall - both just a couple feet from the MLP be overkill for surrounds?
I don't see why... I have a pair of 20s(v4) in the same place. :D
Setup is critical, though. A few db will make them seem real loud, or real soft. Running such a big speaker, you'll be able to drop your crossover point for the surrounds as well.

Need little help...
I have 135" AT screen, speakers behind the screen.
I have at the moment Studio 20 and CC-590 v5.

option 1. get Studio 100 for L and R
option 2. get Studio 100 x 4 (Dealer' will not sell 3), sell one 100., and CC-590.

does worth going throught headache to get 3x100's
I'm looking for help specially if you're using 3 identical for the RCL....

Need little help...
I have 135" AT screen, speakers behind the screen.
I have at the moment Studio 20 and CC-590 v5.

option 1. get Studio 100 for L and R
option 2. get Studio 100 x 4 (Dealer' will not sell 3), sell one 100., and CC-590.

does worth going throught headache to get 3x100's
I'm looking for help specially if you're using 3 identical for the RCL....buy the 2 100's then find a dealer that will sell you one 100:)

I don't see why... I have a pair of 20s(v4) in the same place. :D
Setup is critical, though. A few db will make them seem real loud, or real soft. Running such a big speaker, you'll be able to drop your crossover point for the surrounds as well.

Are the v3 60's rear ported? That would make a huge difference between them and your 20's.

J.

buy the 2 100's then find a dealer that will sell you one 100:)
Yeah, I don't understand why dealers are so weird about selling an odd number of speakers. My dealer was more than willing to sell me a single Studio 20 when UPS lost one of mine during transit. I've got something that Brown can do for me...

J.

Yeah, I don't understand why dealers are so weird about selling an odd number of speakers. My dealer was more than willing to sell me a single Studio 20 when UPS lost one of mine during transit. I've got something that Brown can do for me...

J.

I wish he would, but only in pairs. He gives very good price and based on that I'm wondering if I don't buy 4x100's, will CC-590 blend well with 100's ?...

You should definitely go for the CC690 with the 100s. Buy the 100's, sell the 590 and get a 690...you'll never look back with regret.

J.

My first post on this forum after months of lurking and I would like to start by saying thank you to everyone for your great advice and information. I came into this situation with a flooded apartment and big insurance cheque. Having never really owned a HT setup before I really had no idea where to start. I was about 5 mins away from buying a Bose HTiB before I started reading this forum ( it only took about 2 threads before I was sufficiently warned off ). So after a LOT of reading (every page in this thread is marked as read :D ) and extensive auditioning I have some shiny new Paradigm speakers on the way. So again thanks to all the contributors for your input!

Now down to my question, I plan on using a pair of Monitor Titans as my surrounds, however due to space constraints, I will need to lay them on their sides. Anyone know if this will have any serious negative effect on SQ?

You should definitely go for the CC690 with the 100s. Buy the 100's, sell the 590 and get a 690...you'll never look back with regret.

J.

Is 690 better than 3rd 100', I do have AT' screen and watch ton of movies, from this point would it be better to get L/C/R same?

Is 690 better than 3rd 100', I do have AT' screen and watch ton of movies, from this point would it be better to get L/C/R same?

Sure the 100 would be the ideal choice, but if you're stuck buying 2 pairs and then hoping to sell 1 (in the specific finish and version that you get) then maybe getting a 690 is a better deal. I love my 690 with my 100's and listen to a lot of multichannel music and Bluray concerts and movies and the front end is seamless. Certainly not as seamless as a 3 X 100 front end would be, but you might get screwed trying to offload that $1499 msrp solo Studio 100...

J.

If I have to take a little loss, ok, but I would like to get the best available front...
My room is 15x17x7 and 2ft. behind AT screen wall, if that helps.

I am looking for a 100 to replace a 590 in the middle of my AT screen. From time to time I feel like I am missing something not having a matched front. If you are serious let me know. I might be able to swing buying one of a pair of 100's.

My setup is v3 but I would guess that a v5 100 would be a better match than a 590 in the center. Anyone have an opinion on that?

You mention 2 ft behind the screen, I have 18 inches from the back side of the 100's to the wall. If you only have 2 ft behind the wall you might want to rethink the 100's, don't think the bass will sound right with no back side clearance.


If I have to take a little loss, ok, but I would like to get the best available front...
My room is 15x17x7 and 2ft. behind AT screen wall, if that helps.

I am looking for a 100 to replace a 590 in the middle of my AT screen. From time to time I feel like I am missing something not having a matched front. If you are serious let me know. I might be able to swing buying one of a pair of 100's.

My setup is v3 but I would guess that a v5 100 would be a better match than a 590 in the center. Anyone have an opinion on that?

You mention 2 ft behind the screen, I have 18 inches from the back side of the 100's to the wall. If you only have 2 ft behind the wall you might want to rethink the 100's, don't think the bass will sound right with no back side clearance.

Should I be looking at 60's ?. My sub is always on, when I had my 60 v4., I thought they sounded very good.

I have never positioned 60's, do not know what they take in the way of real spacing. Just know that my 100's do not sound right up against the wall. One dealer suggested that if I was upgrading use 3 bookshelves to get the match and then a good sub. Been considering that. His take was that matched across the front was important and unless you were going to do a lot of music the floor standing speaker was not necessary. I actually have my 100's hung inverted with the tweeter at ear level so none of the drivers are behind the screen frame. If I went with 3 S2's would not need that approach.



Should I be looking at 60's ?. My sub is always on, when I had my 60 v4., I thought they sounded very good.

I have never positioned 60's, do not know what they take in the way of real spacing. Just know that my 100's do not sound right up against the wall. One dealer suggested that if I was upgrading use 3 bookshelves to get the match and then a good sub. Been considering that. His take was that matched across the front was important and unless you were going to do a lot of music the floor standing speaker was not necessary. I actually have my 100's hung inverted with the tweeter at ear level so none of the drivers are behind the screen frame. If I went with 3 S2's would not need that approach.

thanks, make sence

I actually have my 100's hung inverted with the tweeter at ear level so none of the drivers are behind the screen frame.

I'd love to see a pic of that!

J.

I got my new S6 speakers a week ago and I had been hearing an odd noise at times from one of the speakers. I tried various songs where I've noticed the noise and determined it to be coming from my midrange driver in my left speaker. Spoke to my dealer and Paradigm do not have any more of the v2 S6's in gloss black so they are going to have to replace the driver. Should I be concerned in the integrity of the speaker being compromised my doing this?

depends on how much of a discount you got the speakers for. If you paid close to retail I wouldn't be happy.

Does anyone know where I can purchase paradigm speakers, in the Washington D.C. metro area? Any help is appreciated.

Should I be concerned in the integrity of the speaker being compromised my doing this?

No, its not unusual as these things do happen. They will just send your dealer a new driver and it can be easily replaced. Paradigm drivers are some of the easiest to change out IMO.

what's the best place to buy paradigm studios in the USA?

Anyone looking for speaker stands?

No, its not unusual as these things do happen. They will just send your dealer a new driver and it can be easily replaced. Paradigm drivers are some of the easiest to change out IMO.

Already in the works apparently. I take it you have experience changing out these drivers?

depends on how much of a discount you got the speakers for. If you paid close to retail I wouldn't be happy.

Yes, I did get a great price on them, but I don't know what that has to do with it. Just because I got them at a discounted price does not mean I should be happy accepting a faulty speaker.

Does anyone know where I can purchase paradigm speakers, in the Washington D.C. metro area? Any help is appreciated.

Wow...check Paradigm's website and click on the incredibly useful "Dealer Locator" link to find a dealer near you. That's much easier than joining AVS and posting a question in an owners' thread...

Here...I'll even do the hard part for you...LINK (http://www.paradigm.com/en/dealer_locator/paradigm.php) Sorry, you'll have to type in the zip code yourself. I'll spot you the 2-0-0-

J.

what's the best place to buy paradigm studios in the USA?

I'm sorry, I've got nothing. My clowning bag-o-tricks is fresh out. See post above.

J.

depends on how much of a discount you got the speakers for. If you paid close to retail I wouldn't be happy.

That's clearly a separate issue...whether he paid retail or below retail shouldn't have anything to do with the quality/functionality of his speakers. That's a Paradigm QC issue, not a dealer/pricing issue.

J.

Been in this thread since 2004, read from time to time of a driver needing to be replaced in new and used speakers. Never heard of it causing any secondary issues. I can not think of any reason to be suspicious of the rest of the speaker because of a bad driver.



I got my new S6 speakers a week ago and I had been hearing an odd noise at times from one of the speakers. I tried various songs where I've noticed the noise and determined it to be coming from my midrange driver in my left speaker. Spoke to my dealer and Paradigm do not have any more of the v2 S6's in gloss black so they are going to have to replace the driver. Should I be concerned in the integrity of the speaker being compromised my doing this?

Im a meathead and I replaced 2 tweeters on mine from shipping damage

Small people with Small minds

Chester

Wow...check Paradigm's website and click on the incredibly useful "Dealer Locator" link to find a dealer near you. That's much easier than joining AVS and posting a question in an owners' thread...

Here...I'll even do the hard part for you...LINK (http://www.paradigm.com/en/dealer_locator/paradigm.php) Sorry, you'll have to type in the zip code yourself. I'll spot you the 2-0-0-

J.

Thanks alot Jason, I tried that, but phone of the dealer listed was disconnected so I thought I would try here. And I didnt join AVS to find a dealer, I joined so I could conversate with &%*$%& like you.

Thanks alot Jason, I tried that, but phone of the dealer listed was disconnected so I thought I would try here. And I didnt join AVS to find a dealer, I joined so I could conversate with &%*$%& like you.

Then try a phone book or do an internet search...quite simple really.

Glad to be here for you!

J.

Yes, I did get a great price on them, but I don't know what that has to do with it. Just because I got them at a discounted price does not mean I should be happy accepting a faulty speaker.

Only point I am making is if you like the deal you got replace the woofer though Paradigm. If the price was close to retail, get a full refund and buy a v3 model. Oblivious can stay with a broken speaker. I am just weighing the options. If I paid full price I be more upset.

I got a set of Polks before and needed to get a woofer replaced because it was faulty. I didn't care so much because I got the speakers half off. If I didn't I might have returned them. And no if they take down the serial number and get a replacement for you I don't think you would hear the difference. That is just me, it is more the inconvenience of it all.

Thanks alot Jason, I tried that, but phone of the dealer listed was disconnected so I thought I would try here. And I didnt join AVS to find a dealer, I joined so I could conversate with &%*$%& like you.

try some different zip codes in your area to find other deals. That is what I had to do.

jmorr81,

I just enter a bunch of zip codes in the area and hope something comes up close to where I live and that the are good people to do business with. Good Luck,

Small people with Small minds turn into RLCJB

Chester

Ok, this might have been discussed already, but what the heck happen to the Paradigm S4s? Has Paradigm upgraded their Signature series?

Hello everyone,
I am considering changing my Polk Lsi series either with Paradigm S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 or Def tech BP7000sc, CLR3000 and BPVX. But the question is, I can get the Def Tech 5.1 system for about $6400 (total including taxes) and the Paradigm Sig 5.1 system for $10,000 (total including taxes). So what direction should I take?
I appreciate everyone's input.

Hello everyone,
I am considering changing my Polk Lsi series either with Paradigm S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 or Def tech BP7000sc, CLR3000 and BPVX. But the question is, I can get the Def Tech 5.1 system for about $6400 (total including taxes) and the Paradigm Sig 5.1 system for $10,000 (total including taxes). So what direction should I take?
I appreciate everyone's input.

No brainer....if you can get the Paradigms for 10G taxes in, go for it. I think that is an incredible price for V3's that have just been released.

Only point I am making is if you like the deal you got replace the woofer though Paradigm. If the price was close to retail, get a full refund and buy a v3 model. Oblivious can stay with a broken speaker. I am just weighing the options. If I paid full price I be more upset.

I got a set of Polks before and needed to get a woofer replaced because it was faulty. I didn't care so much because I got the speakers half off. If I didn't I might have returned them. And no if they take down the serial number and get a replacement for you I don't think you would hear the difference. That is just me, it is more the inconvenience of it all.

Got ya! Agree, but I wanted v2's as I already have S2's and a C3 in V2's. Thanks for clarifying though. Makes sense.

Hello everyone,
I am considering changing my Polk Lsi series either with Paradigm S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 or Def tech BP7000sc, CLR3000 and BPVX. But the question is, I can get the Def Tech 5.1 system for about $6400 (total including taxes) and the Paradigm Sig 5.1 system for $10,000 (total including taxes). So what direction should I take?
I appreciate everyone's input.

What are your main uses?
HT, Music?

The Def Techs and Paradigms are very different sounding speakers. The Def Techs implement a bi-polar design that really fills the room with sound, but its not exactly accurate. The 7000's are great speakers though, excellent dynamics especially with the built in 15's.

Have you at least heard both speakers? Because thats the most important step when making a big decision like this.

I am trying to figure out fair prices for my Paradigm Studio speakers I am selling. I haven't gotten any offers yet and listed them very reasonably.

Is there anyone who can help determine the market price?

Is it just a bad time of year?

What are your main uses?
HT, Music?

The Def Techs and Paradigms are very different sounding speakers. The Def Techs implement a bi-polar design that really fills the room with sound, but its not exactly accurate. The 7000's are great speakers though, excellent dynamics especially with the built in 15's.

Have you at least heard both speakers? Because thats the most important step when making a big decision like this.
Thanks Bigred7078,
My use is mainly for HT and once in a while 2 ch music. I heard that the def tech 7000 sound is very close to Polk Lsi15 that I have in terms of laid back sound quality. I also have a good sub JL F113 to accomodate the mains so I don't care much about the subs on the 7000. My Polks Lsi series are very good but sometimes they sound very thin comparing to the JL sub that I have. But on the other hand Paradigm Sigs are about $3500 more than Def Tech.

Thanks Bigred7078,
My use is mainly for HT and once in a while 2 ch music. I heard that the def tech 7000 sound is very close to Polk Lsi15 that I have in terms of laid back sound quality. I also have a good sub JL F113 to accomodate the mains so I don't care much about the subs on the 7000. My Polks Lsi series are very good but sometimes they sound very thin comparing to the JL sub that I have. But on the other hand Paradigm Sigs are about $3500 more than Def Tech.

In your price range I would be looking at JTR on the lower end and Seaton on the higher.

I am trying to figure out fair prices for my Paradigm Studio speakers I am selling. I haven't gotten any offers yet and listed them very reasonably.

Is there anyone who can help determine the market price?

Is it just a bad time of year?

I'm looking to buy some speakers what do you have?

Hey all,
Just join the Paradigm club. Ordered 4x Atom, CC-190, DSP-3100. They will be powered by my new Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH. I'm super excited to get the full setup. I got a demo, and just LOVE the stereo quailty from the Atoms when playing music.

This will be used in my HT system (HTPC, PS3, Cable) and an upgrade from a sony htib.

Anyways just wanted to say Hi, and expect some questions from me :D!

I'm looking to buy some speakers what do you have?

I just PMed you. If you are interested let me know.

I am trying to figure out fair prices for my Paradigm Studio speakers I am selling. I haven't gotten any offers yet and listed them very reasonably.

Is there anyone who can help determine the market price?

Is it just a bad time of year?

Yours are pretty fairly priced (now that you lowered your price). There had been a few pairs on A'gon listed for a while, so the need may be less at this point. I actually just bought my pair at A'gon from a guy in Canada and paid a bit less than yours are listed at and they were new in box.

Good luck with the sale!

J.

Mine are basically new in box, I really never used them and still have the boxes.

Like I said, yours are competitively priced and should move no problem.

J.

Thanks you for the assurance.

I also listen my studio 60's but then realized that even on a budget it is not worth selling them for 800 to fund my JTR switch. They will be amazing surrounds ha

I got my Studio 100 and CC590 set up (minus the rears) and my word, they sound amazing. :)

Just a quick few impressions. The cabinets are very solidly built and look very nice. No surprise right ? Well I can tell you now, pictures on the net or in brochures simply do not do these speakers justice at all. They are like pieces of art.

The quality of the finish is outstanding. As for the sound, I was worried that the CC590 center wouldn't it cut, as some had experienced problems before, however I'm happy to report that dialog sounds remarkably clear though it, much cleaner than my previous Jamo C80 center. Also, the center is bigger than I thought. Easily double the size of my previous center speaker.

So I'm very happy at the moment.

I'll be sure to post pics once I have some time available. The Studio 100's sound very detailed and pin point accurate. I think the first thing I noticed with the Studio 100's was how immediate the sound was. It sounded 'fast'. I've only spent like 2 hrs listening to them so I'm sure the sound will improve. So all in all, so far I'm a very h

Congrats on the setup! Glad you're enjoying it so far and looking forward to pics when you have a chance...

J.

Good morning

I got my Paradigm Studio V.4 speakers in November last year.
I got the 100s, a cc-690 and adps 590.
I got a problem with one of the adps, one of the sides drivers was buzzzzzing.
As it is a double driver( Mid range + high frequency) they ha to replace the hole left side of it.
Now, almost 1 year later I got a problem with my center (cc-690) with the center drivers that are just like the surround drivers( Midrange and High frequency in just one piece) and they are replacing it for me.
A have a friend that had to replace the same part on his CC-590.
Do you think it is a problem with the Version 4 Studios?

Thanks for helping Paradigm Owners!

Rick

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I just PMed you. If you are interested let me know.

email me what you have/ asking price. yourtoys7@gmail.com

Nice forum!
Trying to get familiar with Paradigms, just started working for store that carries them and just trying to learn a little bit more about them.
I think this will be a great forum to do it in!

Couple days ago we set up a theatre room with 2 Studio 60s v.5, 2 AMS-150R30 in celings, CC-490 v.5 and a sub 12 (Ill try to post pics as soon as I take some).... wow... I think I watched the scene in pirates of the caribbean dead man's chest when hes playing the organ 15 times...

Both owners of other businesses on either side of us came out, and were amazed on how clear and loud the quality was (This is probably when I fell in love with them haha).

Anyways just wanted to know how these speakers compare to other, more marketed (over marketed? ... maybe just in Toronto hah) speakers like bose. Maybe improve my selling pitch a little bit.
And if anyone has questions about prices and/or how they price their products pm or email me. :p

Awesome forum though!

email me what you have/ asking price. yourtoys7@gmail.com

Sent

I just became a proud owner of paradigm monitor 3 v3. I had read on this forum that some people think the monitor 3 were boomy but they sound good to me so I picked them up. The store where I bought them has a good deal on a paradigm cc-370 so I was wondering if that would be a good match for the monitor 3s. They have the version 6 centers up there also but I thought the version 6 monitors had higher treble than the version 3 so I didnt know if that would be a good match. Anyway Im glad I finally got some Paradigms. I had klipsch reference and I like the sound of the monitors better than anything I have owned so far. Cant wait to get the full 5.1 system. I will probably get some mini monitor v3 or some atoms for the surrounds. I dont know which yet.

Pair4Dimes

Hello and welcome to AVS, can you tell me what the studio esprits cost in us dollars.
And I would like to know if they would work as a left front and a right front system I have 4 sa 35's for surrounds and a seismic sub.

Thanks
Chester

My new S8 v.3's, broken in now, and absolutely superb sounding, a very worthwhile upgrade from my previous S4 v.1's;

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z212/RNRGAGNE/DSC00853.jpg



http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z212/RNRGAGNE/DSC00852-1.jpg



http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z212/RNRGAGNE/DSC00851-1.jpg

Damn, nice setup there. Not very wide room though, do you have reflection point treatments?

Damn, nice setup there. Not very wide room though, do you have reflection point treatments?

Yeppers, I did a lot of work on that front. I was dealing with a fixed width (13'), but the room's length was determined with a room mode calculator. The entire front wall is treated and has small bass traps floor to ceiling which is the reason fro the angled corners. The back wall has two large bass traps 2' x 2' x 6' each and I've got acoustic panels at 1st & 2nd reflection points for both seating rows and a large one on the ceiling as well.

All in all a very good room, and then add in the help of Audyssey Pro & it's pretty sweet sounding rig.

I wish to be there one day with my own room. I may even end up with the sigs as I'm looking at some s2 v1's on a'gon right now.

Pair4Dimes

Hello and welcome to AVS, can you tell me what the studio esprits cost in us dollars.
And I would like to know if they would work as a left front and a right front system I have 4 sa 35's for surrounds and a seismic sub.

Thanks
Chester

Thanks chester,

The retail store I work at is in Toronto, but I'll do my best to convert the price hah (Canadian dollar is going up ! Its great ~1USD=~0.95CDN) , Retail is 1199/each ( 1199 CAD = 1150.2302 USD ). I guess we cant advertise price on here so Ill just say I can get up to 20% off this price ;-).

As for the tech question, Im sure the guys on these forums can help you out way more than me, I deal more with numbers. hah

Set up
Studio 60s v.5, CC-490 v.5, AMS-150R-30's
http://images.foraster.us/imgs/-292538749s60s cc490 2.JPG
http://images.foraster.us/imgs/-661697170Rear.JPG

I have a pair of adp-590 v5 I am selling if you need rears. I am in the US but can work out shipping

Pair4dimes,

My friend, I'm only saying this to help and not criticize, in looking at your pictures - you need to spend some time and money on room treatments and speaker placement. There's no way you're getting close to what those speakers can do for you the way you've got that room and speakers placed.

For instance if I was doing that room, for audio purposes, I'd shrink the screen size to be able to remove the L/R's out from the corners and further forward into the room, also I'd move the CC to the front of the stand so you don't have early reflection off the glass surface.

Do yourself a favor and go to the room acoustics thread in the Audio Set-up Theory & Chat forum and specifically the room acoustics thread and do some reading. I guarantee it'll be the best time and money you'll ever spend in this hobby.

Hey thanks for the tips,

The screen is auto and it stops inch or two above the speakers... and yes the speakers are normally out a but further than that

fairly certain he is referring to sound wave reflection

Hey thanks for the tips,

The screen is auto and it stops inch or two above the speakers... and yes the speakers are normally out a but further than that,

and the reflection is from the flash on the cam ...

Oh it's a pull-down or motorized screen, well the good news is it's above your mains so you can move them out from the corners without affecting line of sight. Where they are now will give you bloated or over-emphasized bass and poor imaging.

As Jaketh suggests, I'm strictly talking about early sound wave reflections as far as your CC is concerned.

You're really not getting what you could out of your system.

Yes you are right.

That is mainly for aesthetic purposes for the pic, when they are in use they are pulled out away from the walls in each direction.

But Ill start pulling the center out as well now.

and yes the screen is a power down

Rnrgagne knows what he's talking about, doing what he suggested would make it sound so much tighter and cleaner.

Yes you are right.

That is mainly for aesthetic purposes for the pic, when they are in use they are pulled out away from the walls in each direction.

But Ill start pulling the center out as well now.

and yes the screen is a power down

Well at least you have a very nice easy room to treat if and when you need to add more.

Remember there are alot of really cool places that offer Printed / Art (http://www.auralex.com/sonicprint/) options for acoustic panels thats awesome... Really cool options out there for aesthetics purposes and WAF, which is seriously important IMO. Shop around for pricing...

I bought the SonoSuede (http://www.auralex.com/sound_absorption_sonosuede/sonosuede.asp) for my great room....

Art prints on acoustic panels - now there's a great idea. I know my wife wouldn't have let me do any of the treaments I did if I didn't have a dedicated room and had to use a general purpose or living room.

Pair4Dimes

Thank you, I have the Millenia 20's for my front L/R speakers and I'm not at all happy with them. I want to sell them and get the Esprit's but I can't remember what I paid for them. Would you have a ballpark price on new Millenia 20's I bought them 6 months ago if i had a price to go bye I could put them up for sale.

Chester

Pair4Dimes

Thank you, I have the Millenia 20's for my front L/R speakers and I'm not at all happy with them. I want to sell them and get the Esprit's but I can't remember what I paid for them. Would you have a ballpark price on new Millenia 20's I bought them 6 months ago if i had a price to go bye I could put them up for sale.

Chester

I was looking at the millenia 20's for my family room...what dont you like about them?

They are sweet speakers but they can't keep up with my surrounds. My other speakers have bigger drivers. The 20's sound good I just want to go big and bad I guess uprade for the sake of upgrading.

Chester

Well at least you have a very nice easy room to treat if and when you need to add more.

Remember there are alot of really cool places that offer Printed / Art (http://www.auralex.com/sonicprint/) options for acoustic panels thats awesome... Really cool options out there for aesthetics purposes and WAF, which is seriously important IMO. Shop around for pricing...

I bought the SonoSuede (http://www.auralex.com/sound_absorption_sonosuede/sonosuede.asp) for my great room....

Awesome link Warpdrv! Now THAT is a great concept, room treatment without sacrificing the look of the room.

There are alot of great choices out there, I'll be adding some of those Printed Art panels for my room, but here are a couple shots of my great room that show things can be Aesthetically pleasing if you want them to be...

My LMS Subs are not quite finished, so please forgive the raw nature of them, but they will be grilled, veneered and topped with granite upon completion....


http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/LMS/IMG_0308.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/LMS/IMG_0307.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/LMS/IMG_0310.jpg

Great Room Warpdrv :)

Great Room Warpdrv :)

Thanks red....

Just needs an upgrade to the Sigs, which will be happening shortly... :D

Hello guys.
I received an offer from my dealer for brand new 2-S8 v2 in piano black or cherry, C5 v2 piano black and 2-ADP3 v2 piano black for $9000 out the door with warranty. Is it a good deal or get the v3 for about $11000 plus tax?

Hello guys.
I received an offer from my dealer for brand new 2-S8 v2 in piano black or cherry, C5 v2 piano black and 2-ADP3 v2 piano black for $9000 out the door with warranty. Is it a good deal or get the v3 for about $11000 plus tax?


The deal on the .v2's is around 34% discount, and the deal on the .v3's is between 18-19% discount.... from retail...

Keep in mind that Paradigm DID NOT increase prices on the new line, so the dealer is just offering you a better deal on the older model to move them... THAT IS - only if he has them in stock - If he has to order both .v or .v2 then he is working you over a bit here IMO...

that is a very good price on the .v2's, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that can find a better deal then that - and I have connections....

Personally I wouldn't hesitate on that deal...

WTF, all of our latest posts were just lost... :(

The deal on the .v2's is around 34% discount, and the deal on the .v3's is between 18-19% discount.... from retail...

Keep in mind that Paradigm DID NOT increase prices on the new line, so the dealer is just offering you a better deal on the older model to move them... THAT IS - only if he has them in stock - If he has to order both .v or .v2 then he is working you over a bit here IMO...

that is a very good price on the .v2's, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that can find a better deal then that - and I have connections....

Personally I wouldn't hesitate on that deal...
Thanks Warpdrv,
He said he will order them.
Thanks for the assurance.

Currently, the Canadian MSRP is 10% more than the US MSRP. If and when the Canadian dollars hit par with the USD, had Paradigm adjusted the Canadian MSRP in the past to reflect this?

I was wanting to know how much power you need to run some studio 20s v2 or v3. I have a denon 1608 that does 75 x 7 so I dont know if it would be worth it to upgrade. I have the monitor 3 v3 right now so if it wont be a big improvement then I dont want to spend the extra money now. Would I have to upgade to better reciever first to give the 20s the juice they need?

I have 4 Paradigm Studio 20's V4 and a 590 Centre that were purchased new last November and used lightly. I was running Pioneer SC-07 setup the other day and the one studio 20 has a kind of crackle sound coming from the woofer during the pink noise. I also heard it when watching the start of Transformers with the male voice narrating at the beginning.I had a pair of Atoms once that the dust cap came unglued but that can't be the case on these. Anyone familiar with this problem or had it fixed before on one of these speakers??Is the turnaround at Paradigm quite slow? Thanks very much for any help.

How on earth are you supposed to pick up the 100 v5's without damaging the grills ? I tried moving them into a better position but I had to grip on to some of the cloth while moving the speakers. I ended up stretching the cloth a little on the one speaker. Now I need glue just to put the cloth back in place underneath the grill.

Bummer.

These speakers are not exactly inexpensive. I suppose next time just take the grills off ? :)

PS Is it normal for speakers of this caliber to have some minor imperfections like rough edges ? On the center speaker, at the back, it was very rough like the wood had ridges in it, the other side was smooth as a babies bottom. I mean, it's not drastic but running your hands over the speakers it showed some rough areas. Are these things just normal as part of the manufacturing process ?

I sound like a drama queen, I just have never spent this kind of cash on speakers before, even if some don't consider it a heck of a lot of money. :D

Regards,

Yeah the grills are pretty flimsy, (that's for a reason) and should be removed before trying to move the speakers. Use the port/s or input terminal recess as hand-holds.
You might have a case to go back to the dealer for a discount or exchange on the CC if the roughness you feel is also visible.
The build quality of the V5's is better than what you get for the same price from a lot of other manufacturers, so don't sweat it.

It's basically rough around the seams of the cabinet towards the back. It's only on one side. Everything else is smooth as butter. So you can't see it but I just wondered if it might be something common or if it's just normal in the manufacturing process.

Thanks for the tip concerning the grills. Heh...

Regards,

On further inspection, it's not actually bad at all. If you look at an angle, at the back, you can see where the veneer curves, the section that looks rough has veneer that simply wasn't 100% curved. You can't even see the problem directly looking straight at the back, its only at an angle, it's so slight, the lines are just slightly off hence the rough feeling.

I must assume this is just normal manufacturing. Everything else is in pristine condition. On the front speakers, when taking the grills off, the section around the drivers, where there is plastic looks like there is a slight overflow (if that even is the right word to use), there is some around the edges of the baffle where on a perfect speaker I assume there probably shouldn't be. I again assume this to be normal.

Agree ? The only thing that is not right (and the distributor was concerned about) was the feet on the one front speaker were not attached. Other than that, I assume everything is normal.

Regards,

I had to tighten all of the feet on my Studio 100's when I received them.

J.

My feet arrived today so I'm going to put them on later. Where's my sense of time ? I got them today so I'll install them tomorrow. It's already late over here. Heh. :D

Regards,

A question for the forum. I'm currently looking at getting the Sub 25 and perhaps in the spring replace my current Paradigm Studio speaker array with Signatures. I haven't really paid much attention to the Signatures since they were first introduced and noticed on the Paradigm website that the rosewood veener is no longer offered. Does anyone know why that is? I'm just curious if it was a cost or perhaps availability barrier. As a guitar player familiar with rosewood it would be really cool to have had the opportunity to get speakers with a rosewood veneer. Now bird's eye maple is nothing to sneeze at. How does Paradigm deal with the maple wood grade, or do they deal with it at all, i.e is the Bird's eye maple a stadard grade (i.e AA or AAA) across the board with little to no variation or is each cabinet inspected and graded based on how much each cabinet is figured? Ideally when dealing with figured maple, be it birds eye, flame/curly or quilted the higher the grade the more figure in the wood and if ordering Signatures I would love the opportunity to say I want AAAAA across the board.

On a sort of related note, has anyone been able to compare the Signatures to the B&W 800 series. I have always lusted over the 800 series but have finally come to grips with the fact I simply can not afford to put together the system I would like, 802D, HTM1D, 802D or 803D (rears) and DS8S for the sides. I have never even had the opportunity to listen to the 802D (and may never) but I have always loved the look of the speakers. If I were to go the Paradigm Signature route I would get the S8, C5, S8 or S6 (rears) and ADP3 for the sides. Are the 800 series from B&W head and shoulders above the Signatures? Based solely on price one would think so but almost every review I have read of the Signatures simply gush over how well they sound.

Thanks,

Rod

The deal on the .v2's is around 34% discount, and the deal on the .v3's is between 18-19% discount.... from retail...

Keep in mind that Paradigm DID NOT increase prices on the new line, so the dealer is just offering you a better deal on the older model to move them... THAT IS - only if he has them in stock - If he has to order both .v or .v2 then he is working you over a bit here IMO...

that is a very good price on the .v2's, I'd be hard pressed to find anyone that can find a better deal then that - and I have connections....

Personally I wouldn't hesitate on that deal...

If they are brand new in a box... Thats a great deal... Just make sure they are not floor models... Like Warpdrv said... I wouldnt hesitate on those things... Hes making a couple hundred off you at most, just to move the older models(not that old though) ... great deal.

And yea 18-20% discount is max that we offer to customers.

A question for the forum. I'm currently looking at getting the Sub 25 and perhaps in the spring replace my current Paradigm Studio speaker array with Signatures. I haven't really paid much attention to the Signatures since they were first introduced and noticed on the Paradigm website that the rosewood veener is no longer offered. Does anyone know why that is? I'm just curious if it was a cost or perhaps availability barrier. As a guitar player familiar with rosewood it would be really cool to have had the opportunity to get speakers with a rosewood veneer. Now bird's eye maple is nothing to sneeze at. How does Paradigm deal with the maple wood grade, or do they deal with it at all, i.e is the Bird's eye maple a stadard grade (i.e AA or AAA) across the board with little to no variation or is each cabinet inspected and graded based on how much each cabinet is figured? Ideally when dealing with figured maple, be it birds eye, flame/curly or quilted the higher the grade the more figure in the wood and if ordering Signatures I would love the opportunity to say I want AAAAA across the board.

On a sort of related note, has anyone been able to compare the Signatures to the B&W 800 series. I have always lusted over the 800 series but have finally come to grips with the fact I simply can not afford to put together the system I would like, 802D, HTM1D, 802D or 803D (rears) and DS8S for the sides. I have never even had the opportunity to listen to the 802D (and may never) but I have always loved the look of the speakers. If I were to go the Paradigm Signature route I would get the S8, C5, S8 or S6 (rears) and ADP3 for the sides. Are the 800 series from B&W head and shoulders above the Signatures? Based solely on price one would think so but almost every review I have read of the Signatures simply gush over how well they sound.

Thanks,

Rod

I don't know about the wood, but in owning Signatures and also doing a fair bit of reading I think it's safe to assume the law of diminishing returns would seriously be in play when comparing them to the B&W's.

hey guys, i would really appreciate some help (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1187852). Thanks

hey guys, i would really appreciate some help (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1187852). Thanks

You should try to listen to each set up with your favorite piece of music my
preference would be Paradigm yours may not.

I will be selling a rc 64 center soon.

Chester

I don't know about the wood, but in owning Signatures and also doing a fair bit of reading I think it's safe to assume the law of diminishing returns would seriously be in play when comparing them to the B&W's.

Thanks for the response.

Hello all,
I purchased the Paradigm Sig S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 series. I need to sell my Polk LSi15, LSiC and LSiFX speakers. If anyone is interested please let me know.
I hope the Paradigm Sig series will give a good sense of upgrade.

I noticed that Paradigm now has the new SE line listed on their website.

Anyone know when they're supposed to be available? As nice as the Studio series is the cost is a bit much, and wanting a bit more than the Monitor line, I'm thinking the SE's would be a good bridge between the two. If they're supposed to be out soon I'll hold off on trying out the Axiom M22's that really intrigue me.

Hello all,
I purchased the Paradigm Sig S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 series. I need to sell my Polk LSi15, LSiC and LSiFX speakers. If anyone is interested please let me know.
I hope the Paradigm Sig series will give a good sense of upgrade.

I think you'll be impressed. Be sure to come back and let us know.

I think you'll be impressed. Be sure to come back and let us know.
Thanks for the assurance.
You think there will be a good difference between the Sigs and the Polk lsis?

Thanks for the assurance.
You think there will be a good difference between the Sigs and the Polk lsis?

Dunno, never spent any time with the Polks. I just am seriously impressed with the Sig's.

Thanks for the assurance.
You think there will be a good difference between the Sigs and the Polk lsis?

IMO there is a big difference. The Sigs are such an incredible smoothe speaker. The Lsi15's, while very good, just lack the effortless refinement of a speaker like the Signature 8's. With a powered woofer the LSi's will hit hard, but again they just dont have the smootheness that the Sigs have. Its all a matter of opinion though. Did you not listen to the Signatures before you bought them or something?

I second that. The two speakers lines sounded nothing alike when I bought my Studio 100 v3's. Listen to a little music you like on each, when I was auditioning they were different enough that my preference easy to establish.



You should try to listen to each set up with your favorite piece of music my
preference would be Paradigm yours may not.

I noticed that Paradigm now has the new SE line listed on their website.

Anyone know when they're supposed to be available? As nice as the Studio series is the cost is a bit much, and wanting a bit more than the Monitor line, I'm thinking the SE's would be a good bridge between the two. If they're supposed to be out soon I'll hold off on trying out the Axiom M22's that really intrigue me.


Depends on the dealer, but i believe they are available now.

IMO there is a big difference. The Sigs are such an incredible smoothe speaker. The Lsi15's, while very good, just lack the effortless refinement of a speaker like the Signature 8's. With a powered woofer the LSi's will hit hard, but again they just dont have the smootheness that the Sigs have. Its all a matter of opinion though. Did you not listen to the Signatures before you bought them or something?
I listened to some Paradigm speakers months ago but I am not sure if I listened to the S8s. Even if I did that must have been the v2. I ordered the V3 which based on Paradigm v3s are much more dynamic. By the way I got 2-S8 v3 cherry, C5 v3 piano black and 2-ADP3 v3 piano black for about $9300 out the door. Is that a good deal?

With so many splinter Paradigm threads in this forum, I am wondering if I have the correct one for questions regarding the v.3 - v.5 Studio series? I received today the latest issue of Stereophile, wherein Kalman Rubinson (frequent contributor in this forum) compared his v.3 Studio 60s to the v.5 60. Has anyone here done a similar comparison or purchased the v.5? If so, what are your thoughts. I have a pair of v.1 60s in another system and the v.3 20/CC470/ADP470s in my home theater.

Mike

I cant wait to be an EX paradigm owner!

Worst QC and worst dealer ever. Got a new cc-690 v4, it was blown, sent it back for service and it came back still blown and with a ruined grill and a large scratch. I assumed it was fine so I resold it and now have to force a very reasonable buyer to drive 6 hours for 2 long trips to my dealer. Also my studio 60 v3's are blown in some way as well. I am forced to keep the studio 60's cause after I fix them I can't even sell them for a decent price worth selling.

I will never own paradigm again.

Goonstopher,

Your experience (although unfortunate), is more the exception than the rule with Paradigm. I've owned several versions of the Studio series over a 10 year period and never had an issue with them. Before you throw in the towel, why not contact them directly?

Goonstopher,

Your experience (although unfortunate), is more the exception than the rule with Paradigm. I've owned several versions of the Studio series over a 10 year period and never had an issue with them. Before you throw in the towel, why not contact them directly?

Warranties are not transferable. they show no concern at all for either case.

I am considering upgrading a pair of v3 Studio 100's and a CC 570 to either a W5 set or three S6's. The speakers are behind a 130x55 inch AT screen with 42 inches of clear space for the speakers. Anyone want to chip in and offer an opinion on which way to go. I have already read had heard the argument that an on wall speaker can not sound as well as a free standing speaker. Please lets not revisit that part of this thread.

With so many splinter Paradigm threads in this forum, I am wondering if I have the correct one for questions regarding the v.3 - v.5 Studio series? I received today the latest issue of Stereophile, wherein Kalman Rubinson (frequent contributor in this forum) compared his v.3 Studio 60s to the v.5 60. Has anyone here done a similar comparison or purchased the v.5? If so, what are your thoughts. I have a pair of v.1 60s in another system and the v.3 20/CC470/ADP470s in my home theater.

Mike

what did Kal say about the comparison? is there a link that i can read?

Yes, link please!

what did Kal say about the comparison? is there a link that i can read?

If it is a newer copy you need to buy it, online lags behind unless you subscribe online, not free version.

There is no link to the article, as Goonstopher indicated. The gist of the article was that Kal found the 60v.5 to be "a clear advance over the v.3..." This advance was due in part to the "new cabinet design, construction and reconfigured driver array." He concluded his assessment by saying he could think of no way that the v.5 was not a "significant advance" over any previous Studio 60.

As I indicated in a previous post, I have a pair of the v.1 Studio 60 and v.3 Studio 20. If Kalman's assessment is to be believed (in lieu of hearing it for myself), those of us with v.3s may want to consider upgrading.

There is no link to the article, as Goonstopher indicated. The gist of the article was that Kal found the 60v.5 to be "a clear advance over the v.3..." This advance was due in part to the "new cabinet design, construction and reconfigured driver array." He concluded his assessment by saying he could think of no way that the v.5 was not a "significant advance" over any previous Studio 60.

As I indicated in a previous post, I have a pair of the v.1 Studio 60 and v.3 Studio 20. If Kalman's assessment is to be believed (in lieu of hearing it for myself), those of us with v.3s may want to consider upgrading.

I considered it but I am done with paradigm for good.

Yeah, we caught that...

J.

Interesting thread..... Hmmmm. Dave

On another note, as I've mentioned (numerous times in this unwieldy thread) I upgraded from version 3 Studio 100/570/ADP-470 to version 5 Studio 100/690/ADP-590 and consider the v5 setup a pretty big improvement. The biggest advantage has been upgrading to the larger 6xx center, but the new 100's have been exceptional. I unfortunately did not have the opportunity to A/B them with my v3 100's as I sold those first to fund the purchase of the v5's. However, as most of my use is 2-channel music, they get a lot of listening and I absolutely love the v5's. Furthermore, the cabinets are light years beyond the v3's which were incredibly boxy and cheap with the vinyl veneer (which I never quite understood in the Studio line). For those early version owners thinking of an upgrade, it would behoove you to give the v5's an audition.

J.

Interesting thread..... Hmmmm. Dave

Definitely Dave. They are great speakers. I seem to be the rare story and not the norm. I will be happy with the dealer as long as they take care of everything in the end. Also your fed-ex thing isn't paradigms fault.

I run my mouth now but I know one day I will go in my dealer and be sucked in by a set of paradigms for my living room ha, they are the best speakers I have been able to audition in person.

Chris

Wow...would that be a miraculous change of heart or simply the buyer chiming in [SURPRISE!] and subsequent damage control?

Interesting thread indeed...

J.

..they are the best speakers I have been able to audition in person.

How else could you possibly audition a speaker? Through a magazine review? Or maybe what a friend told you?

J.

Definitely Dave. They are great speakers. I seem to be the rare story and not the norm. I will be happy with the dealer as long as they take care of everything in the end. Also your fed-ex thing isn't paradigms fault.

I run my mouth now but I know one day I will go in my dealer and be sucked in by a set of paradigms for my living room ha, they are the best speakers I have been able to audition in person.

Chris

I'm sorry, but I'm going to nominate this as the Greatest Foot-in-Mouth (recovery) post ever made...

J.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to nominate this as the Greatest Foot-in-Mouth (recovery) post ever made...

J.

I told him ALL of this on the phone prior to posting... there is NO foot in mouth here. Jeez you are trying to piss me off.

FWIW ....
I'm the buyer of the CC-690. I knew about the "scratch" on the cabinet before purchase. I had also been informed about the "bad" grille and he's shipping a new one. I learned after receiving the speaker it had been serviced by the dealer for a bad tweeter. Apparently he (the dealer) missed the 115mm driver being bad or there are some crossover issues. I'm willing to get the thing repaired and look forward to it working properly.
The FedEx thing mentioned is another story entirely..... I also purchase a set of 10/10 Studio 60's from a Florida. They arrived with a hole in one of the boxes. One speaker is fine and the other has a small nick on the veneer and a dent about the size of your pinky nail. It plays fine but the resale value has been drastically reduced. FedEx is due to show up for an inspection next week. This could get interesting ..... everything was insured, but I want to see them try and get one studio 60 v4 to replace the damaged one. So..... That's what's up with my first venture in Paradigm. The 60's sound great but my HSU VFT2 Mk2 can't keep up, I've since ordered a VFT3 Mk3 to replace it. there you have it .... the "other" side of the story. Dave

Like I said Dave has been a great guy, the paradigmns were GREAT when they were working 100%, the dealer has been disappointing but as long as they handle this quickly then we will be ok. I still feel horrible and that is why I got so angry, the dealer said it was fine, I briefly checked it and took their word on it...

This thread doesn't need this drama and its not even like I am fighting with the buyer, if anything, I meant my post out of frustration for having a hand in something like this happening to such a reasonable guy.

video...

I think that the W5's are just as good as the S6's or maybe a little better. I heard them with movies - rock - classical - jazz. They are the wet in my dream.

Chester

Why would the the buyer have to drive 6 hours even if it's Paradigms fault or Fedex's fault. I would not be able to sleep at night If this happened to me IMO. I would drive 100 hours to make it right the old American way.

Chester

Why would the the buyer have to drive 6 hours even if it's Paradigms fault or Fedex's fault. I would not be able to sleep at night If this happened to me IMO. I would drive 100 hours to make it right the old American way.

Chester

I do not own the car I have access to and offered to get the part but we agreed it may be best to have the entire thing checked out through warranty.

I can't believe this needs to be so public. I feel horrible and PISSED at the same time. I can only make a dealer do the best they are willing to and what is within my means. Although both of us are pissed about this, we have come to this unfortunate solution. If the dealer will allow me to pay shipping and save one of the round trips I will do so. I am not some villain here and the only other person who matters in this situation understands that more than I could ever hope for.

I do not own the car I have access to and offered to get the part but we agreed it may be best to have the entire thing checked out through warranty.

I can't believe this needs to be so public. I feel horrible and PISSED at the same time. I can only make a dealer do the best they are willing to and what is within my means. Although both of us are pissed about this, we have come to this unfortunate solution. If the dealer will allow me to pay shipping and save one of the round trips I will do so. I am not some villain here and the only other person who matters in this situation understands that more than I could ever hope for.

Bummer dude. :(

But in all fairness to the complaints of publicity, you were the one who went off on the rant.

Nice that you guys are able to work through a bad situation though. ;)

Bummer dude. :(

But in all fairness to the complaints of publicity, you were the one who went off on the rant.

Nice that you guys are able to work through a bad situation though. ;)

I ranted about paradigm. If I lead to this I apologize. Sometimes in replying to things it can be hard to realize the possible outcome and input that may result. You are right, I did not mean to bring it to this but my initial posts did open a door and you can't chose when a door is closed once you let other people in it.

im looking at buying a a studio v5 setup (100s, 20s, and 690) and i contacted 3 'driving distance' stores via email/phone.
i said id like to get the whole setup for a certain % off, but they all say 'ill match that % off price of someone else if you bring in their offer'.
so im wondering then, if they all agree theyll match a price, but then they all want to see someone elses quote first in writing and in person, then it means i can buy it for that price but i have to do something that none of them will do, so what the best route there?
thanks for any advice, i was just hoping to seal the deal via email/phone, then just pick them up when ready quick-n-simple....

im looking at buying a a studio v5 setup (100s, 20s, and 690) and i contacted 3 'driving distance' stores via email/phone.
i said id like to get the whole setup for a certain % off, but they all say 'ill match that % off price of someone else if you bring in their offer'.
so im wondering then, if they all agree theyll match a price, but then they all want to see someone elses quote first in writing and in person, then it means i can buy it for that price but i have to do something that none of them will do, so what the best route there?
thanks for any advice, i was just hoping to seal the deal via email/phone, then just pick them up when ready quick-n-simple....

That sounds like bull. Why would you even go through the trouble to "match" price? If they will beat it then MAYBE worth the trouble. Obviously one of the dealers has to have the best price or there would be nothing to match. If one dealer is closer or seems like the service will be better but they don't have the best price then it might be worth figuring out a way to finagle the quote out of them (say you need to show your wife or some other story) but if not then go with who ever gives you the best price to begin.

im looking at buying a a studio v5 setup (100s, 20s, and 690) and i contacted 3 'driving distance' stores via email/phone.
i said id like to get the whole setup for a certain % off, but they all say 'ill match that % off price of someone else if you bring in their offer'.
so im wondering then, if they all agree theyll match a price, but then they all want to see someone elses quote first in writing and in person, then it means i can buy it for that price but i have to do something that none of them will do, so what the best route there?
thanks for any advice, i was just hoping to seal the deal via email/phone, then just pick them up when ready quick-n-simple....


Why make it so hard? Visit the nearest store and get to know them.. If they seem easy to deal with, are well established, and are running a successful operation that appears will be around in the future (should you need warranty service), then ask them what sort of a discount they will give you? If it's 10-15% then go ahead and buy the gear and quit worrying about whether or not you might have paid a few less dollars somewhere else. ..I don't think you have to worry about a hifi retailer getting rich off of you. ..Each year there are fewer and fewer dealers around which suggests to me that these are not lucrative businesses.

I bought my Paradigm S8 v.2's from a dealer who allowed me to spend hours listening, comparing, and was a real gentlemen to work with. ..They had been in business for over 25 years and have a good reputation in the area. When I told him I was getting ready to buy, he offered a 15% discount and I agreed to the price. I felt that whatever extra I was paying him that I might not have another dealer was fair compensation for his kind treatment..

I would not buy Paradigm speakers from 6th ave.

Chester

I would not buy Paradigm speakers from 6th ave.

Chester

and why not?

I would not buy Paradigm speakers from 6th ave.

Chester

You have NO choice in NJ and the surrounding area. They have been good until something went wrong, now everything is a mess and the service was poor to put it lightly.

What is the big difference between the Studio and Reference?

The Studio line seems to be the better value for the price. The Reference appears to be a little out of the box for Paradigm considering the pricing especially the S8.

What is the big difference between the Studio and Reference?

The Studio line seems to be the better value for the price. The Reference appears to be a little out of the box for Paradigm considering the pricing especially the S8.

For your own clarity in case others answer, studio and reference are the same line, Signature is the higher line. Unfortunately I have never heard the Sigs but there is some reverse engineering so while there is a difference according to owners, the studios are a great value (again I am sure owners can chime in)

My bad I did mean to say Signature.

Say...

S8 vs. Studio 100
S6 vs. Studio 60
c1 vs. CC490
C3 vs. CC590
C5 vs. CC690

My bad I did mean to say Signature.

Say...

S8 vs. Studio 100
S6 vs. Studio 60
c1 vs. CC490
C3 vs. CC590
C5 vs. CC690

One nice thing with studios is you can get the higher level studios and spend less than the lower level sigs so a direct comparison is not even needed. It is interesting from an intellectual standpoint but I assume most people considering Sigs would only consider the highest level of the studios. Obviously you have priced and are aware of this.

For your own clarity in case others answer, studio and reference are the same line, Signature is the higher line. Unfortunately I have never heard the Sigs but there is some reverse engineering so while there is a difference according to owners, the studios are a great value (again I am sure owners can chime in)

for your own clarity, Signatures are part of the Paradigm Reference. ;)

Giving this a bump. Only had one response. Wondering if anyone actually bought a set of the W5's


I am considering upgrading a pair of v3 Studio 100's and a CC 570 to either a W5 set or three S6's. The speakers are behind a 130x55 inch AT screen with 42 inches of clear space for the speakers. Anyone want to chip in and offer an opinion on which way to go. I have already read had heard the argument that an on wall speaker can not sound as well as a free standing speaker. Please lets not revisit that part of this thread.

My bad I did mean to say Signature.

Say...

S8 vs. Studio 100
S6 vs. Studio 60
c1 vs. CC490
C3 vs. CC590
C5 vs. CC690


The sigs are all around better. They sound completely different. I definately prefer the Signatures. But it depends on the type of person you are because you may either see the effects of dimishing returns or find it a steal of a deal for the sound you get.

You have to hear them for yourself

and that's why I would never buy speakers if they have to be shipped. Speakers get demaged and the headaches after. I have driven 4hrs. to pick speakers and would drive further if was a good deal.

6th ave, has been guilty of bait and switch and they also have been found guilty of selling lcd's and plasma's or tv's in general that are refurbished units with out letting the customer know. And then they sell the the nieve people cleaning kits that you should not even use on today's tv's and they also sell the sucker the HDMI cable and Power cleaning kit that is total garbage . I could go on but I don't have the time. I wonder if anyone that buy's from 6th. ave actually knows who the owners are I do and that alone keeps me out of there. I buy my Paradigms from a place in Somerville NJ called the Sound Exchange so in you can buy these speakers from a real HiFi shop in NEW JERSEY if you try.

Chester

and that's why I would never buy speakers if they have to be shipped. Speakers get demaged and the headaches after. I have driven 4hrs. to pick speakers and would drive further if was a good deal.

lol how the heck do you think the speakers get to the store you go to???

Hello to all.

Maybe I'm one of a lucky few (I don't know) but a little over a year ago I bought a pair of Paradigm Studio 100s and a CC690 center channel from a 6th Ave in New Jersey for a great price. Not only did I get a good deal on the three speakers but the sales guy was very helpful and not the least bit pushy. When I picked the speakers up from the store the boxes appeared to factory sealed and when I got them home and took them out of their boxes they were in perfect condition cosmetically and functionally. I hooked them up right away and since that time they've performed wonderfully with no hiccups or problems. Again, I may one of a lucky few to have had a good experience with 6th Ave and it really sucks that anyone has had a bad experience by getting refurbished or second rate items under the pretense that it's "NEW". A few months before the Paradigm purchase I bought a Yamaha RX-V3800 receiver from a different 6th Ave just minutes away from the one where I bought the speakers. While the salesman was a bit pushy at this location (trying to steer me towards a Denon receiver) the price was right and I haven't had a single issue with the receiver either.

For anyone's info that may be considering a purchase from 6th Ave. As always do your homework, negotiate and check the item purchased before leaving the store if possible.

Be well, good luck.

I just got a pair of Studio 100 v3's. I'm looking for suggestions on how far they should be separated and spaced. Room is roughly 13'x15'; seating is probably going to be about 8-10' away depending how far they end up from the wall.

I just got a pair of Studio 100 v3's. I'm looking for suggestions on how far they should be separated and spaced. Room is roughly 13'x15'; seating is probably going to be about 8-10' away depending how far they end up from the wall.

Start by placing them, at minimum, a foot away from the front wall and 75% of the distance to your listening position appart with a toe in where the lines will intersect about a foot or more behind where your head will be.

You should try to avoid having the drivers the same distance from the back wall as they are from side wall if possible.

So about 6.5 to 7.5 feet appart. But every room is different and that's a just starting position. The best thing to do from there is put on some two channel music you're very familiar with and move them around till you get the perfect blend of imaging and bass response.

I just got a pair of Studio 100 v3's. I'm looking for suggestions on how far they should be separated and spaced. Room is roughly 13'x15'; seating is probably going to be about 8-10' away depending how far they end up from the wall.

You're of course going to have to play around with toe in as well to achieve that balance but first reply is pretty much right on. My Studio's are exactly 7' apart and 1'1" from the rear wall while my couch is roughly 8' from the centerline between the two mains. That may not work best in your room but is a good starting point as previous reply stated. Best of luck.

FWIW ....
I'm the buyer of the CC-690. I knew about the "scratch" on the cabinet before purchase. I had also been informed about the "bad" grille and he's shipping a new one. I learned after receiving the speaker it had been serviced by the dealer for a bad tweeter. Apparently he (the dealer) missed the 115mm driver being bad or there are some crossover issues. I'm willing to get the thing repaired and look forward to it working properly.


Definitely, check the crossover, I went through 3 replacement mid-drivers. Finally, I had the crossover replaced and all is well now. I had a bad crossover which was blowing my mid-tweeter.

Hello to all.

Maybe I'm one of a lucky few (I don't know) but a little over a year ago I bought a pair of Paradigm Studio 100s and a CC690 center channel from a 6th Ave in New Jersey for a great price. Not only did I get a good deal on the three speakers but the sales guy was very helpful and not the least bit pushy. When I picked the speakers up from the store the boxes appeared to factory sealed and when I got them home and took them out of their boxes they were in perfect condition cosmetically and functionally. I hooked them up right away and since that time they've performed wonderfully with no hiccups or problems. Again, I may one of a lucky few to have had a good experience with 6th Ave and it really sucks that anyone has had a bad experience by getting refurbished or second rate items under the pretense that it's "NEW". A few months before the Paradigm purchase I bought a Yamaha RX-V3800 receiver from a different 6th Ave just minutes away from the one where I bought the speakers. While the salesman was a bit pushy at this location (trying to steer me towards a Denon receiver) the price was right and I haven't had a single issue with the receiver either.

For anyone's info that may be considering a purchase from 6th Ave. As always do your homework, negotiate and check the item purchased before leaving the store if possible.

Be well, good luck.

I bought a pair of Studio 20's V.5 from 6th Ave in NJ, and I have not had any problems with them! As Tony the tiger say's (There Great)!:D

I bought a pair of Studio 20's V.5 from 6th Ave in NJ, and I have not had any problems with them! As Tony the tiger say's (There Great)!:D

If you have trouble may god have mercy on your soul. The swore my speaker went directly back to paradigm and was factory refurbished. When another problem arised I realized it was all a lie and they send it to springfield nj to a 6th ave location. None of the managers have any idea what testing procedures go in in this service location and none of them have the ability to contact this service center for any reason.

The prices are great but I will only buy from them again if I get confirmation that I can have a different dealer service anything I buy there. I pray my elite 111fd is fine. I have an 8 year warranty on it but part of it is manufacturers and part is through them which means in both cases this shady service center will be my only hope.

If you have trouble may god have mercy on your soul. The swore my speaker went directly back to paradigm and was factory refurbished. When another problem arised I realized it was all a lie and they send it to springfield nj to a 6th ave location. None of the managers have any idea what testing procedures go in in this service location and none of them have the ability to contact this service center for any reason.

The prices are great but I will only buy from them again if I get confirmation that I can have a different dealer service anything I buy there. I pray my elite 111fd is fine. I have an 8 year warranty on it but part of it is manufacturers and part is through them which means in both cases this shady service center will be my only hope.

what do you mean you "realized" it was all a lie? Are you just speculating?

And seriously just because you had an issue there does not mean everyone else will lol. There are issues from any company selling product, its just the nature of the business...

I "realized" because we found out for a fact.

What's everyone's thoughts on Studio 20s vs. Studio 60s for 2-channel music setup? I'm currently debating between the two. I'm also considering upgrading the sub in my HT and moving the old one to compliment whichever Studio I get. If this is the case, is there any benefit to getting the 60s?

I've got Studio 20s as fronts in my HT (separate room than music setup) and they sound great. (Hopefully will upgrade to 100s over time) Do I gain anything by getting 60s for music or should I just save the money and get the 20s?

Does anyone have a Cinema CT110 setup connected to a Marantz receiver? I just purchased this setup last week. I am getting a pop from the sub when the lfe signal is lost (commercials, some tv shows, etc.) while the sub is in auto. If I leave the sub on the "on" position, said pop is non existant.

BTW, I purchase A LOT of electronics from 6th Ave. I've never had a product or customer service problem with them. I actually called the sales rep on this issue and he said to bring in the sub and receiver. Which ever it is they will replace with the same or different product of the same price point (unless I decide to upgrade)

I recently purchased Studio 60 v5, ADP-590 v5, and Studio 20 v5 (just missing the CC690) for a 7.1 setup. My question is, I like the look without the grill but is there a drawback (issues) at running these speakers without ? I had the v2's before and it was recommended to have them on.

If you have trouble may god have mercy on your soul. The swore my speaker went directly back to paradigm and was factory refurbished. When another problem arised I realized it was all a lie and they send it to springfield nj to a 6th ave location. None of the managers have any idea what testing procedures go in in this service location and none of them have the ability to contact this service center for any reason.

The prices are great but I will only buy from them again if I get confirmation that I can have a different dealer service anything I buy there. I pray my elite 111fd is fine. I have an 8 year warranty on it but part of it is manufacturers and part is through them which means in both cases this shady service center will be my only hope.

Mine was purchased from 6th Ave and they worked with me until it was finally fixed. Extremely pleased with their service.

I "realized" because we found out for a fact.

regardless your over generalizing YOUR problem...

Doesn't matter where you go, or where you buy...good ole Forrest Gump said it best... "**** happens".

I recently purchased Studio 60 v5, ADP-590 v5, and Studio 20 v5 (just missing the CC690) for a 7.1 setup. My question is, I like the look without the grill but is there a drawback (issues) at running these speakers without ? I had the v2's before and it was recommended to have them on.

i believe they're designed to play w/ the grills on

What's everyone's thoughts on Studio 20s vs. Studio 60s for 2-channel music setup? I'm currently debating between the two. I'm also considering upgrading the sub in my HT and moving the old one to compliment whichever Studio I get. If this is the case, is there any benefit to getting the 60s?

I've got Studio 20s as fronts in my HT (separate room than music setup) and they sound great. (Hopefully will upgrade to 100s over time) Do I gain anything by getting 60s for music or should I just save the money and get the 20s?

The 60's will have slightly better bass extension than the 20's but likely not enough where a sub wouldn't help. The 60's (in theory) should have better mid-bass performance than the 20's which could be more significant depending on room size and listening distance.

For strictly music I'd be tempted to go used Sigs over new Studios at the same price, (i.e. used S8's vs new 100's which are close to the same cost) but that's just me. ;)

i believe they're designed to play w/ the grills on

Yeah, they are, but I don't think we're talking about a significant enough diference that it's an absolute no no.
I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference, but I just leave them on to err on the side of caution.

cannot risk my 6 month old getting crushed by a floorstander. wondering what the difference in sound would be?
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regardless your over generalizing YOUR problem...

Doesn't matter where you go, or where you buy...good ole Forrest Gump said it best... "**** happens".

Misleading customers, providing poor service, lying about ordering parts, damaging goods under warranty then providing no compensation and being completely unapologetic about your mistakes while refusing to accommodate a very active customer DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN. I loved sixth ave but they are rude and misleading when you need service and do nothing to work with you regardless of the amount of business you do with them. I spent nearly 10k with them over the last 2 years and buy on a very regular basis and they refused to make a simple request to expedite my service after they messed up on the first time they serviced the same speaker and destroyed the grill and scratched the veneer.

I recently purchased Studio 60 v5, ADP-590 v5, and Studio 20 v5 (just missing the CC690) for a 7.1 setup. My question is, I like the look without the grill but is there a drawback (issues) at running these speakers without ? I had the v2's before and it was recommended to have them on.

Actually with the v5's Paradigm says "The latest generation of Paradigm Reference speakers is designed to sound every bit as clean, clear and transparent when playing with the grilles on or off.". I know with past versions they said they would sound best with the grills on.

The 60's will have slightly better bass extension than the 20's but likely not enough where a sub wouldn't help. The 60's (in theory) should have better mid-bass performance than the 20's which could be more significant depending on room size and listening distance.

For strictly music I'd be tempted to go used Sigs over new Studios at the same price, (i.e. used S8's vs new 100's which are close to the same cost) but that's just me. ;)

Thanks for the info. Let me see what my dealer quotes on the two but I usually get good deals and I'm sure I'll be in under the cost of Sigs.

cannot risk my 6 month old getting crushed by a floorstander. wondering what the difference in sound would be?
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_74/signaturew5_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_13/model_29/studio100_2_off.jpg

if you plan on getting a sub, i would be all over the W5's. They are some of the best on walls i have heard. The Be tweeter integrated with those drivers is something special :)

cannot risk my 6 month old getting crushed by a floorstander. wondering what the difference in sound would be?



In that case, I think there would be a very nice improvement on SQ, but the trade off will be in the Bass response from the W5's in comparison...

If you mate them with a nice appropriate Sub for the room size, I would have no issues with the trade off and more then likely prefer the Wall mount Sigs.

Misleading customers, providing poor service, lying about ordering parts, damaging goods under warranty then providing no compensation and being completely unapologetic about your mistakes while refusing to accommodate a very active customer DOES NOT JUST HAPPEN. I loved sixth ave but they are rude and misleading when you need service and do nothing to work with you regardless of the amount of business you do with them. I spent nearly 10k with them over the last 2 years and buy on a very regular basis and they refused to make a simple request to expedite my service after they messed up on the first time they serviced the same speaker and destroyed the grill and scratched the veneer.

Yeah your right, it happend to you so it happens to everyone right??? :rolleyes: And this kind of thing NEVER happens anywhere else right? :rolleyes:

Reality check man....reality check...

Yeah your right, it happend to you so it happens to everyone right??? :rolleyes: And this kind of thing NEVER happens anywhere else right? :rolleyes:

Reality check man....reality check...

Did I say to everyone? The level of disrespect and lack of service I was treated with should be enough to dissuade others from even entering into that risk. There are customer service mistakes, there are customer service oversights and then there is a straight up lack of care and rudeness. I shared my account and never made innuendos that other would necessarily face that I simply said that something that severe does not just happen, it takes a company wide culture that could very well carry itself over to others.

In that case, I think there would be a very nice improvement on SQ, but the trade off will be in the Bass response from the W5's in comparison...

If you mate them with a nice appropriate Sub for the room size, I would have no issues with the trade off and more then likely prefer the Wall mount Sigs.

so the clarity and detail will be there? i will use 1 sub 25, 2 sub 15's or one seaton submersive

so the clarity and detail will be there? i will use 1 sub 25, 2 sub 15's or one seaton submersive

clarity and detail are definately better on the Signatures. The only thing you lack is bass response when comparing the Studio 100 and W5. Thats why a sub is recommended ;)

so i went to demo some paradigms this weekend but unfortunately the dealer was very unwelcoming, maybe because i'm relatively young (23)

they would not let me put in my CD-R because he was worried it wouldnt sound good... i told him it was all FLAC/loseless but he brushed me off and said they can only demo their songs

also, i know theyre meant to play with the grill on, but they wouldn't even let me take them off to look at the drivers

what a horrible experience.. it's really unfortunate because i wanted to give the studio's a shot and they are the only paradigm dealer in my area.. but i will be going with B&W now since their dealer was very welcoming and nice to me

anyway, dont mean to stir up trouble in the paradigm thread.. just wanted to share my disappointing story

hopefully someday i'll get to seriously listen to the studios

so i went to demo some paradigms this weekend but unfortunately the dealer was very unwelcoming, maybe because i'm relative young (23)

they would not let me put in my CD-R because he was worried it wouldnt sound good... i told him it was all FLAC but he brushed me off and said they can only demo their songs

also, i know theyre meant to play with the grill on, but they wouldn't even let me take them off to look at the drivers

what a horrible experience.. it's really unfortunate because i wanted to give the studio's a shot and they are the only paradigm dealer in my area.. but i will be going with B&W now since their dealer was very welcoming and nice to me

anyway, dont mean to stir up drama in the paradigm thread.. just wanted to share my story


Was it the owner or an employee? What a prick...

If it was an employee, i think you should call and ask to speak to the manager and tell them the bad experience you had. Thats just not acceptable. How in the world is someone supposed to know if they like the speakers if they cannot listen to their OWN music...

If it was the owner call him up and tell him how disgusted you are with his attitude and let him know you will be taking your business elsewhere and from there on out recommending to all your friends not to give him business...

Anyone coming to my store can listen to whatever the heck they want...

Was it the owner or an employee? What a prick...

If it was an employee, i think you should call and ask to speak to the manager and tell them the bad experience you had. Thats just not acceptable. How in the world is someone supposed to know if they like the speakers if they cannot listen to their OWN music...

If it was the owner call him up and tell him how disgusted you are with his attitude and let him know you will be taking your business elsewhere and from there on out recommending to all your friends not to give him business...

Anyone coming to my store can listen to whatever the heck they want...+1 if that was me that guy would be looking for a new job. this should not be the way you go to another speaker like bw. It should be because you like that speaker better.

cannot risk my 6 month old getting crushed by a floorstander. wondering what the difference in sound would be?
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_74/signaturew5_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_13/model_29/studio100_2_off.jpg

If you're worried about your 6 mo old tipping an 80lb speaker, you should probably be more worried about them not being human :p

Hey anyone have any info or reviews on the new Special Edition (SE) Series from paradigm? Just curious as I just found out about them today and will be finally buying some speakers come Feb/Mar of 2010 because I just bought a house. Would be nice to know what they're all about.

Comparing studio 100, or even studio 60, against the mights of MK, JTR speakers for HT purpose, how do you guys gauge against that?

I really like the wide soundstage of the cc690 and the deep vocal. But i am also thinking if there are better overall performing speakers out there for similar price range

If you're worried about your 6 mo old tipping an 80lb speaker, you should probably be more worried about them not being human :p

Agreed...I have a monster of a 7-month-old and a very active 4 1/2-year-old and my floorstanding 100's are always fine. You'd have to crash into them pretty high up in order to tip them over, especially if you're using the carpet spikes.

J.

Comparing studio 100, or even studio 60, against the mights of MK, JTR speakers for HT purpose, how do you guys gauge against that?

I really like the wide soundstage of the cc690 and the deep vocal. But i am also thinking if there are better overall performing speakers out there for similar price range

Switching from 60's and 690 to triple 8's soon. Will know soon.

Agreed...I have a monster of a 7-month-old and a very active 4 1/2-year-old and my floorstanding 100's are always fine. You'd have to crash into them pretty high up in order to tip them over, especially if you're using the carpet spikes.

J.she was able to bend and take one end of the spindle on the popcorn machine wheel out. i thought the 100's were top heavy?

Anyone get their hands on a Paradigm Sub 1 or Sub 2 yet?

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/news/SUB1_SUB2_Fact_Sheet-OnlineVersion.pdf

Anyone get their hands on a Paradigm Sub 1 or Sub 2 yet?

http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/news/SUB1_SUB2_Fact_Sheet-OnlineVersion.pdf

They have definately grabbed my attention since cedia. Pretty pricey though. The sub 2 would defiantely need a 220 line to get full potential though with 7000 watts.... :cool:

Bigred7078
Can I ask what you know about 6th ave? I had a sharp tv from them that a tech guy changed every board inside some he replaced twice before 6th ave would give me a new tv even though the sharp people said if I would have called them sooner ( sharp ) they would have made 6th ave replace it after the tech came to my house the 2nd time not the 10th time. A freind of mine got a pioneer elite reciever as a gift his wife did not know he wanted a proscessor it was for x-mas present 6th ave would only give store credit. Look into who owns 6th ave on the web companys like beach camera and so on most of them do not have good customer relations.

Chester

so i went to demo some paradigms this weekend but unfortunately the dealer was very unwelcoming, maybe because i'm relatively young (23)

they would not let me put in my CD-R because he was worried it wouldnt sound good... i told him it was all FLAC/loseless but he brushed me off and said they can only demo their songs

also, i know theyre meant to play with the grill on, but they wouldn't even let me take them off to look at the drivers

what a horrible experience.. it's really unfortunate because i wanted to give the studio's a shot and they are the only paradigm dealer in my area.. but i will be going with B&W now since their dealer was very welcoming and nice to me

anyway, dont mean to stir up trouble in the paradigm thread.. just wanted to share my disappointing story

hopefully someday i'll get to seriously listen to the studios

I'd definitely contact the manager, that's horrible service. The manager that sold me my 60s & 690 unboxed an older pair of 60v3 and brought in a pair of MA RS6's for me to listen to. Both times I made an appointment, I brought in my own mixed CD and ended up spending an hour each time with the speakers.

Pair4Dimes

Do you know if paradigm is replacing the studio esprit with a new speaker? The reason I ask is that the esprit is still v4 I think while the cc590 is v5. They are almost the same speaker I think, could you find out for me.

Thanks Chester

cannot risk my 6 month old getting crushed by a floorstander. wondering what the difference in sound would be?
http://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_17/model_74/signaturew5_12_off.jpghttp://www.paradigm.com/images/reference/speaker_type_2/series_13/model_29/studio100_2_off.jpg

I would wager that there will be enough difference in SQ that you are better off waiting for a while and getting the 100s when your kid is a bit older.

But honestly, when I was in the market for speakers a couple of years ago, I was torn between stand mounted and floorstanding. I never even considered on-wall, because I wanted some placement flexibility. I ended up with floorstanding because they were a hell of a lot more stable than stand mounted. When my boy was 2 1/2 he managed to tip a Monitor 9 into the wall, but I seriously doubt he would have been able to do it with the 100s I have now. Hell, he's 4 now and I don't know if he could do it by accident, which was what the Monitor 9 incident was, an accident :)

Bigred7078
Can I ask what you know about 6th ave? I had a sharp tv from them that a tech guy changed every board inside some he replaced twice before 6th ave would give me a new tv even though the sharp people said if I would have called them sooner ( sharp ) they would have made 6th ave replace it after the tech came to my house the 2nd time not the 10th time. A freind of mine got a pioneer elite reciever as a gift his wife did not know he wanted a proscessor it was for x-mas present 6th ave would only give store credit. Look into who owns 6th ave on the web companys like beach camera and so on most of them do not have good customer relations.

Chester

i used to buy things from them all the time, never had an issue. I know several people that buy things from them all the time and have never had an issue. I have also been in the home theater sales business for some time now and i KNOW its just the nature of the industry for issues to pop up. Does not matter where the heck you go, there can ALWAYS be issues. People have a tendancy to hold grudges against companies if they have had problems, and that makes perfect sense. But you must realize there is just as much chance of you having an issue from the next place as anywhere else. Unfortunately no business is perfect and most are far from it. If one particular company gives you warm fuzzies well great! but i gurantee there is ten other people behind you that scream blasphemy because they have had so many issues with the company.

Yup, inconsistency is not unusual at all, especially with large internet direct companies. The people on the phone generally have no idea about the products themselves and are just data entry clerks and I wouldn't expect much. There's generally always a compromise for the money you save, and it's a "caveat emptor" world.
The example of the retail store above is a lot more disconcerting - and I think Paradigm would be very interested to know that.

Now, really this is off topic for this thread so can we please drop it.

So after talkin to my dealer. I think the price difference between the 20s and 60s is too much to make me choose the 60s. Guess I'll have to wait til I upgrade my HT for some Paradigm floorstanders.

The W5 versus the Studio 100 isn't a very fair comparison. You are comparing $6000 speakers versus $3000. Also, are you using a sub or not? The mids and highs are exceptionally smoother on the W5. Believe it or not, the W5's have a really decent amount of midbass (Due to the fact they are so close to the wall which emphasises this). The studio 100 will play lower in frequency, but if you are using a good enough sub, I would rather it handle that duty anyways. I have had my W5's for about a month now and I love them. Reason I got them, I have 2 kids, a 2 year old and a 3 month old. I was worried about towers tipping over. And for anyone who says they won't, I don't trust a giant 2 year old kid who can't control where he runs into :)
The sigs are a better speaker no matter what, and for an on wall speaker, the W5's are the best I have heard to date.

Any opinion on a W5 to S6 comparison? I am considering going from v3 Studio 100's to either the W5 or S6 behind an AT screen. Right now my 100's are inverted behind the screen with the tweeter at seated ear level. This was necessary to prevent the drivers from being behind the screen frame at the bottom. Seems silly to put an S6 upside down behind the screen when the W5 is available. That depends on how well they were able to tune the W5's to the wall.


The W5 versus the Studio 100 isn't a very fair comparison. You are comparing $6000 speakers versus $3000. Also, are you using a sub or not? The mids and highs are exceptionally smoother on the W5. Believe it or not, the W5's have a really decent amount of midbass (Due to the fact they are so close to the wall which emphasises this). The studio 100 will play lower in frequency, but if you are using a good enough sub, I would rather it handle that duty anyways. I have had my W5's for about a month now and I love them. Reason I got them, I have 2 kids, a 2 year old and a 3 month old. I was worried about towers tipping over. And for anyone who says they won't, I don't trust a giant 2 year old kid who can't control where he runs into :)
The sigs are a better speaker no matter what, and for an on wall speaker, the W5's are the best I have heard to date.

Any opinion on a W5 to S6 comparison? I am considering going from v3 Studio 100's to either the W5 or S6 behind an AT screen. Right now my 100's are inverted behind the screen with the tweeter at seated ear level. This was necessary to prevent the drivers from being behind the screen frame at the bottom. Seems silly to put an S6 upside down behind the screen when the W5 is available. That depends on how well they were able to tune the W5's to the wall.

I think you are the perfect person for the W5's. :)

I just wish we did not have to deal with hifi people that act like bad car salesmen or ambulance chasers. I guess nobody wants to google 6th ave you never know who wants fund people that have ********* licences.

chester

Again for paradigm speakers in NEW JERSEY Sound Exchange In Somerville on main street. Not far from springfield or northbrunswick.

Chester

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The W5 versus the Studio 100 isn't a very fair comparison. You are comparing $6000 speakers versus $3000. Also, are you using a sub or not? The mids and highs are exceptionally smoother on the W5. Believe it or not, the W5's have a really decent amount of midbass (Due to the fact they are so close to the wall which emphasises this). The studio 100 will play lower in frequency, but if you are using a good enough sub, I would rather it handle that duty anyways. I have had my W5's for about a month now and I love them. Reason I got them, I have 2 kids, a 2 year old and a 3 month old. I was worried about towers tipping over. And for anyone who says they won't, I don't trust a giant 2 year old kid who can't control where he runs into :)
The sigs are a better speaker no matter what, and for an on wall speaker, the W5's are the best I have heard to date.

100% HT use
I will use a sub or 2
Onkyo 5007 AVR

Is $1100 a good price for these used paradigm speakers: 60v2 pair, 20v2 pair and cc 450?

I just got a new Elite VSX23 AVR & a SVS PC12-NSD sub and thinking of upgrading my JBL front & center to Paradigm. I need some advice to help me pick my combo. I am thinking of Monitor 9 + CC290 or Monitor 7 + CC390. Or should I get a CC590 and pair with my cheap cheap JBL front for now. My friend told me my weakest link is on vocal & bass (that's why I got the SVS now). Also how about the millenia line? They kind of match my furniture and wife may allow to have a higher budget on those.:p

I am selling 2 millenia 20's for 500 bucks 6 months old piano black.

Chester

I just wish we did not have to deal with hifi people that act like bad car salesmen or ambulance chasers. I guess nobody wants to google 6th ave you never know who wants fund people that have ********* licences.

chester

Having spent years in the car business (mfg. field rep) and havng a brother who is a PI attorney, I felt compelled to reply:)

While no one enjoys an overly pushy salesperson who focuses more on closing the customer than on meeting the customer's needs, I personally find nothing wrong with a salesperson who will ask for the sale. I've accompanied friends as they've shopped for audio gear (and cars) and have noted that some of my friends are way too sensitive. ..If a person has visited a retailer and has listened to the same pair of speakers 2 or 3 times, there is nothing wrong IMHO with the salesperson asking for the sale. ..Yet some people get really annoyed by this.

..We need B&M businesses to keep our hobby alive, and those stores generally - in order keep salespeople motivated - need either a commission-based pay plan or bonus-based. If you want a salesperson to treat you fairly, then be fair with them. ...When I go out to listen to gear, I begin the conversation like this:

"I'm in the market for a pair of speakers and would like to spend some time listening to a few of the models/brands that you carry and plan to do likewise at a few other stores ..What would be a good time to return so I can listen to my own music for an hour or so? ..If I decide to buy a brand that you carry, I'll buy from you so long as I feel that I've been treated well and that I'm being charged a fair price."

..Using this strategy, I have NEVER had a bad experience at any of the 8 or so high-end retailers that I have purchased from over the years. ..This includes the following brands: B&K, NAD, Rotel, Ariston, Spica, PSB, Vandersteen, and Paradigm.

Pair4Dimes

Do you know if paradigm is replacing the studio esprit with a new speaker? The reason I ask is that the esprit is still v4 I think while the cc590 is v5. They are almost the same speaker I think, could you find out for me.

Thanks Chester

Just looked over the new price list and there are no notes on a new version of the esprit yet.

Main changes are the addition of the SE series, and now Studio Series have added extra cost on the Piano Black models.
+ addition of Sub 1 and 2.

I am getting a pair of studio 20 v4 speakers this week and was wondering where I can buy cheaper speaker stands than the paradigm J-29 stands. Does anyone know of any other speaker stands that would work with these speakers that are cheaper in price?

Tmac, you can use any stand you want with them...

RacksandStands.com

standsandmounts.com

2 good places to find what you need... keep in mind, the studio's have screw holes on the bottom for you to bolt the speaker to the stand... the paradigm stands have the holes that match with the speakers, but that doesn't mean you can't just drill holes on your new aftermarket stands when you get them...

100% HT use
I will use a sub or 2
Onkyo 5007 AVR

If you are using a sub or 2, there is no point in paying for the tower speaker which you won't use to it's fullest advantage. Like I said earlier, if you have a decent enough sub, let it do it's job below 80 cycles and let the speakers do their job above 80. The W5's will blow the doors off the studio 100's in this regard and that would be my choice. It is easy for me to spend other people's money though. :)

Any opinion on a W5 to S6 comparison? I am considering going from v3 Studio 100's to either the W5 or S6 behind an AT screen. Right now my 100's are inverted behind the screen with the tweeter at seated ear level. This was necessary to prevent the drivers from being behind the screen frame at the bottom. Seems silly to put an S6 upside down behind the screen when the W5 is available. That depends on how well they were able to tune the W5's to the wall.

We have the s6's at our showroom and for the price, they are amazing. They have a much smaller footprint than the s8's, but don't have the bottom end. The only advantages the s6's have over the W5's is more bass output, and the ability to move them around for placement purposes. The W5's, once mounted, can angle in or out because of their wall brackets, but you can't really move them around your walls to get the best image or soundstage (unless you want to put holes all over). Hanging a s6 upside down sounds like way to much work to get what you want, the W5 does seem like the most logical choice.

I love people who candy cote things like ripping off women just because you can ( horrible car dealerships not all of them but some of them do ) How about attorney's that are in with insurance companys back in the 80's that made deals on an injury settlements behind thier customers back. Lets just drop it. Don't be lazy look up 6th ave and beach camera and some other so called new york new jersey shops that claim to give you a good price and brand new merchandise. By the way I have brother in law that is a President and a sister in law that is head of Ford and a nephew who prints money

Chester

is the studio 100s equal or close to the Sig S2s in terms of sound quality?

I am selling 2 millenia 20's for 500 bucks 6 months old piano black.

Chester

Then how the millenia compare to monitor series? My friend keep telling me that you can't beat the physics... nice looking flat speaker, sound can't be good since speaker need enough room to resonate.

I just got a new Elite VSX23 AVR & a SVS PC12-NSD sub and thinking of upgrading my JBL front & center to Paradigm. I need some advice to help me pick my combo. I am thinking of Monitor 9 + CC290 or Monitor 7 + CC390. Or should I get a CC590 and pair with my cheap cheap JBL front for now. My friend told me my weakest link is on vocal & bass (that's why I got the SVS now). Also how about the millenia line? They kind of match my furniture and wife may allow to have a higher budget on those.:p

Ne1 willing to give me some advise?:o

is the studio 100s equal or close to the Sig S2s in terms of sound quality?

The tweeter and midrange on the Sig S2 is much smoother, open, and dynamic than that in the studio 100. At it's price point, the studio 100 is a great tower speaker. It plays low, loud, and sounds great for the price. The S2 is a smallish bookshelf, and most that buy them add a sub to help out the bottom end. The S2 is going to be more refined and have a better soundstage with better imaging, the studio 100 will have more bottom end. Two different animals.

^^^ thanks, i am buying a SVS PB-13 Ultra to pair with some Studio 100s, so are you saying thats a waste?

I just got a new Elite VSX23 AVR & a SVS PC12-NSD sub and thinking of upgrading my JBL front & center to Paradigm. I need some advice to help me pick my combo. I am thinking of Monitor 9 + CC290 or Monitor 7 + CC390. Or should I get a CC590 and pair with my cheap cheap JBL front for now. My friend told me my weakest link is on vocal & bass (that's why I got the SVS now). Also how about the millenia line? They kind of match my furniture and wife may allow to have a higher budget on those.:p

Lots of questions there. First, the Paradigm monitor line is a great bang for the buck line. They are efficient and can easily be powered by most receivers. They are priced right and blow away most speakers at the big box stores for the same price.

You have a decent sub. The monitor 9 is going to go lower in frequency than the monitor 7. They are both going to sound the same because there isn't that much that distinguishes them from one another. (all drivers are same materials, sizing won't matter that much). Since you have a sub, I woulnd't waste the extra few bucks on the monitor 9's and just buy the 7's. You can put the extra cash into the center. The CC390 is much better than the 290 in my opinion. It is however, the size of a monitor 7 on it's side. (Very large). If you have the space, go for the 390.

I would not buy the CC590 (studio series) and mate it with your JBLs. There wont be a proper timbre match and the center will outclass the rest of your speakers.

The millenia line is part of the studio series. They are studio series speakers that are more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. They are in a different league than the monitor line (a nice step up). They have terrific mids and highs, but not much bass (small drivers, small cabinets=no bass). Since you already have a sub, these would work out pretty well for you.

Hope that helps ya.

^^^ thanks, i am buying a SVS PB-13 Ultra to pair with some Studio 100s, so are you saying thats a waste?

If this is for home theater use, then yes, I would say you are better off paying for mids and highs since your sub will pick up the bass.

If you listen to 2 channel music and don't use a sub, the studio 100s would be a great choice.

It all depends on what you are using for electronics, what you like to listen to (music vs. home theater) and how you set things up. I would take the s2 in a heartbeat, I love the tweeter. The studio 100's are great though for towers.

I have millenia 30 system (30s left right center,adp surrounds & sub 12) i think they sound amazing and wife really likes the looks but am i sacraficing sound by not going with towers?

If this is for home theater use, then yes, I would say you are better off paying for mids and highs since your sub will pick up the bass.

If you listen to 2 channel music and don't use a sub, the studio 100s would be a great choice.

It all depends on what you are using for electronics, what you like to listen to (music vs. home theater) and how you set things up. I would take the s2 in a heartbeat, I love the tweeter. The studio 100's are great though for towers.

well, i can admit that i do listen to a lot of music but they are mostly ripped music so the fidelity is not the best. but i will also be using this set up for a whole lot of HT too, i would probably say its 55/45 to HT, so which would be better? oh yeah, the room is going to be 19'6" x 17' and will be acoustically treated.

well, i can admit that i do listen to a lot of music but they are mostly ripped music so the fidelity is not the best. but i will also be using this set up for a whole lot of HT too, i would probably say its 55/45 to HT, so which would be better? oh yeah, the room is going to be 19'6" x 17' and will be acoustically treated.

S2's

i have heard the S2s before but i heard them in a small room and they were very good,but i am just wondering if the S2s can "fill" a room of the size i mentioned?

i have heard the S2s before but i heard them in a small room and they were very good,but i am just wondering if the S2s can "fill" a room of the size i mentioned?

What are you using to power them? If you are going separates, then yes, you can power them. If you are using a middle of the road receiver, than no, I wouldn't. The sig line really shines with lots of power, not that they don't sound good with a receiver, but more power really brings out the best in them.

That is a pretty big room you have, you might be better off with the studio 100 just to fill it with sound. You have made a good decision with either speaker, you are splitting hairs with what your needs are right now. It is a good problem to have. :)

I have millenia 30 system (30s left right center,adp surrounds & sub 12) i think they sound amazing and wife really likes the looks but am i sacraficing sound by not going with towers?

You are not sacrificing sound at all. You have a very capable sub that will easily handle the 80 hz and below material, and great speakers that can handle everything above. The towers will let you position them so you can find your best image, wheras the 30s are on walls and dont have that much flexibility, but all in all they are great speakers that look as good as they sound.

actually i will be powering them with a Pioneer SC-27, isnt that good enough?

actually i will be powering them with a Pioneer SC-27, isnt that good enough?

That is a pretty good receiver, I meant something in the $400-$800 range. You see people spending all this money on speakers and then driving them with an entry level receiver and complaining about the way speakers sound. If you get a chance to go to the audio shows, most speakers, no matter the price, are using top notch electronics to demo their speakers. The receiver/ amp/preamp part of the equation is more important than the speaker part of it. That receiver will do just fine with either speaker.

yes, i figured it would be cause the S2s i heard were driven with a Pio SC-07 and the owner was able to push them to the max of the Pio (+12dB) without any distortion.

Lots of questions there. First, the Paradigm monitor line is a great bang for the buck line. They are efficient and can easily be powered by most receivers. They are priced right and blow away most speakers at the big box stores for the same price.

You have a decent sub. The monitor 9 is going to go lower in frequency than the monitor 7. They are both going to sound the same because there isn't that much that distinguishes them from one another. (all drivers are same materials, sizing won't matter that much). Since you have a sub, I woulnd't waste the extra few bucks on the monitor 9's and just buy the 7's. You can put the extra cash into the center. The CC390 is much better than the 290 in my opinion. It is however, the size of a monitor 7 on it's side. (Very large). If you have the space, go for the 390.

I would not buy the CC590 (studio series) and mate it with your JBLs. There wont be a proper timbre match and the center will outclass the rest of your speakers.

The millenia line is part of the studio series. They are studio series speakers that are more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes. They are in a different league than the monitor line (a nice step up). They have terrific mids and highs, but not much bass (small drivers, small cabinets=no bass). Since you already have a sub, these would work out pretty well for you.

Hope that helps ya.

Thx alot for the advice. So for my case, I should consider 3X millenia 20 instead of monitor 7 + CC390, right?

Thx alot for the advice. So for my case, I should consider 3X millenia 20 instead of monitor 7 + CC390, right?

That would be a pretty nice setup for you. That is what I would go with.

Before getting my S6's, I used S2's for my front channels with a Velodyne DD15 sub. The combination is potent. My room is 24'x 16'. It was no problem for the S2's. I agree with the comments about having enough power to make them really shine.

Bluemark:

How do you like the S6s? I was thinking of upgrading my pair of S4 (v2) to S6 v2. I have a C5v2 center. I originally thought that my front L/R speakers would be mounted on a shelf. I scratched that plan and now have the S4s mounted on stands. The S4s on stands take up the same room as S6s, so I am considering going with S6s. I have heard the S8s and they sound great, but they are too big for my space. I have not had the chance to hear the S6s.

Thanks,

Lew

The receiver/ amp/preamp part of the equation is more important than the speaker part of it. That receiver will do just fine with either speaker.

I'm sorry but that's just horrible advice. While components can have wonderful effects on the SQ, the SPEAKER itself with a proper source is the most important. A better amp or processor will only polish things up, and it can make a wonderful difference, but still...the speaker IS without a doubt the most important aspect of a system.

Also if one is looking for more of an impact on sound than an amp or processor i say go for room treatments as they will tame any room issues you have.

Bluemark:

How do you like the S6s? I was thinking of upgrading my pair of S4 (v2) to S6 v2. I have a C5v2 center. I originally thought that my front L/R speakers would be mounted on a shelf. I scratched that plan and now have the S4s mounted on stands. The S4s on stands take up the same room as S6s, so I am considering going with S6s. I have heard the S8s and they sound great, but they are too big for my space. I have not had the chance to hear the S6s.

Thanks,

Lew


Besides output, the S6 is not that much different from the S4. Although the S6's will be a better match than the S4 to your C5v2. I think if you have a different weak link in the equation then put the money towards that like a better sub or new processor or amp. IF you have all the basses covered then its only natural to want the S6 :D

I'm sorry but that's just horrible advice. While components can have wonderful effects on the SQ, the SPEAKER itself with a proper source is the most important. A better amp or processor will only polish things up, and it can make a wonderful difference, but still...the speaker IS without a doubt the most important aspect of a system.

Also if one is looking for more of an impact on sound than an amp or processor i say go for room treatments as they will tame any room issues you have.

So you don't think that the equipment sending the signal to a speaker is as important as having a good speaker? I said it was a more important part of the equation, I didn't say it was the entire equation. Yes, the speaker has to be able to faithfully play what it has been given. I just see way to often people spending lots of money on speakers and then driving them with a (example) denon 1610 and complaining that it doesn't sound good. I looked at your setup, why did you go with extra amplifiers for your setup? Couldn't the 6003 put out enough power for your speaker? Like I said, having the right electronics really helps the equation.

I have been reading this thread for awhile and think I have came to a decision. Any input would be appreciated. This is for 100% home theater as I have a separate listening room for music. Room is 20'x12' with coffered ceiling that slopes from 8' to 10'. Paradigm Studio 60's, cc-590, adp-590s, powered by a Onkyo TX-NR807 and a single SVS pb13-ultra. I think the studio 100's and cc-690 would be unnecessary without going with separates and probably overkill for my room as well. Plus my stand will not support the cc-690 anyways.

Anyone with this setup? How is it for movies? I am upgrading from JBL es90's, es80's, es25c, and es250p with onkyo 705. How much of an improvement can I expect?