I have been reading this thread for awhile and think I have came to a decision. Any input would be appreciated. This is for 100% home theater as I have a separate listening room for music. Room is 20'x12' with coffered ceiling that slopes from 8' to 10'. Paradigm Studio 60's, cc-590, adp-590s, powered by a Onkyo TX-NR807 and a single SVS pb13-ultra. I think the studio 100's and cc-690 would be unnecessary without going with separates and probably overkill for my room as well. Plus my stand will not support the cc-690 anyways.

Anyone with this setup? How is it for movies? I am upgrading from JBL es90's, es80's, es25c, and es250p with onkyo 705. How much of an improvement can I expect? both setups will blow your socks off:D but you are skimping on the avr i would go for the 1007 just because its ultra 2 not select like the 807, the 1007 has better DAC's, the 1007 has a lower THD also.

both setups will blow your socks off:D but you are skimping on the avr i would go for the 1007 just because its ultra 2 not select like the 807, the 1007 has better DAC's, the 1007 has a lower THD also.

Ok, thanks. I did not see those specs I just seen it was a 9.2 and thought I did not need it. I will check it out.

Ok, thanks. I did not see those specs I just seen it was a 9.2 and thought I did not need it. I will check it out.the 1007 in theory sounds better .


then again the 5007 has 32bit DAC's and a Toroidal Transformer, Independent Block Construction (Amp/Preprocessor) your Paradigms will benefit from this im sure. just because its 9.2 when you run 7.2 or 5.2 you will have that much more power going to your speakers.

So you don't think that the equipment sending the signal to a speaker is as important as having a good speaker? I said it was a more important part of the equation, I didn't say it was the entire equation. Yes, the speaker has to be able to faithfully play what it has been given. I just see way to often people spending lots of money on speakers and then driving them with a (example) denon 1610 and complaining that it doesn't sound good. I looked at your setup, why did you go with extra amplifiers for your setup? Couldn't the 6003 put out enough power for your speaker? Like I said, having the right electronics really helps the equation.

No its not as important. But obvioulsy i know it is still a key part, hence me owning amplifiers. The 6003 is a great unit, but will it handle the 4ohm and lower impedence drops my speakers load presents? No, hence why i own two amps. I am also a HUGE music lover, again this is why i own amps since i drive my speakers full range for music. If you are into HT this is less key because you are generally crossing speakers over at 80hz, and the greatest power demands from a speaker will usually be sub-80hz impedence dips.

Not everyone needs an amp though. Depends on what level of db's you are trying to achieve in a given sized room. Impedence curves need to be looked at, as well as key amplifier characteristics.

In the end you can have incredible electronics but it won't do jack squat for you if your speakers don't have the capabilities to reproduce a given signal. Again let me reiterate that electronics CAN be very important, but most people will be using them to help tweak the sound to their given preferences. I've seen far to often people trying to fix a major characteristic of their speakers by swtiching out amps, or cables.

Electronics should not be a crutch, but they should properly compliment the speakers in use. That does not mean i believe a cheap $375 1610 is all that is needed though as that is just not my point...

Say you have two individuals.One has Paradigm S8's with an Denon 1910, the other has Studio 100's driven with an Anthem P5. I will gurantee if the individual with the S8's upgraded to a Anthem P5 it would be less drastic of a difference/ less noticeable of a difference than if th other indivdual upgraded from Studio 100's to S8's.

I am selling 2 millenia 20's for 500 bucks 6 months old piano black.

Chester

PM sent;)

Besides output, the S6 is not that much different from the S4. Although the S6's will be a better match than the S4 to your C5v2. I think if you have a different weak link in the equation then put the money towards that like a better sub or new processor or amp. IF you have all the basses covered then its only natural to want the S6 :D

Thanks. I have the other bases covered (d2v pre/pro, an A5 amp, a Servo 15 v2 and an Oppo BDP). I don't listen to really loud levels, but I thought that the S6 might offer fuller sound. I like the S8s, but they are just too big.

That would be a pretty nice setup for you. That is what I would go with.

thx a lot, so may I ask 1 more question? is wall mount or stand mount the millenia 20 be any difference? Try to save every penny that I could:p

thx a lot, so may I ask 1 more question? is wall mount or stand mount the millenia 20 be any difference? Try to save every penny that I could:p

If you stand mount the speakers, you can move them around until you find the perfect spot for imaging, soundstage, etc. If you wall mount them, they are pretty much stuck there unless you have alot of flexibility in moving them later (drop ceiling, extra speaker wire, etc.). If you were going to get stands for them though, you are better off jumping up to the Millenia 200 towers because the price of the matching stands and the Millenia 20s is almost the same price. Wall mounting is just fine, that is what they were intended for.

Bluemark:

How do you like the S6s? I was thinking of upgrading my pair of S4 (v2) to S6 v2. I have a C5v2 center. I originally thought that my front L/R speakers would be mounted on a shelf. I scratched that plan and now have the S4s mounted on stands. The S4s on stands take up the same room as S6s, so I am considering going with S6s. I have heard the S8s and they sound great, but they are too big for my space. I have not had the chance to hear the S6s.

Thanks,

Lew

Lew:

I love the S6's. I was originally going to get the S8's but they were far too big for my room as well. I couldn't be happier with the S6's though. I upgraded from S2's and now use my S2's for my surrounds, replacing my Studio 20's. Very similar sonically, but the S6's naturally provide a fuller sound even compared to the S2's coupled with a sub as capable as the DD15. I have never heard the S4's so I don't know how much more of an improvement you'll hear in the lower frequencies.

The millenia line is part of the studio series. They are studio series speakers that are more aesthetically pleasing to the eyes.

That's certainly a matter of taste, but you might mean "higher WAF"...which is still a matter of taste.

J.

Well after some time of upgrading of other components in my system, I am starting to upgrade my speakers now, therefore my Studio 690 .v4 Black will be the first to be replaced, got a C5 on the way.... Other pieces that will be going will be the 100's and 20's, all .v4

If anyone is interested - feel free to pm me

got a C5 on the way....
If anyone is interested - feel free to pm me

:cool:

Well after some time of upgrading of other components in my system, I am starting to upgrade my speakers now, therefore my Studio 690 .v4 Black will be the first to be replaced, got a C5 on the way.... Other pieces that will be going will be the 100's and 20's, all .v4

If anyone is interested - feel free to pm me

What are you upgrading to for your others?

Can someone enlighten me if there's any online dealers for paradigm speakers?

What are you upgrading to for your others?

S2's are in the way, and S8's all . V2
I need to hold onto the 20's For now for a speaker shootout later this month.

Can someone enlighten me if there's any online dealers for paradigm speakers?

paradigm is a strict supporter of B&M stores. They like to respect their dealers and forbid online sales. Anything found online and purchased the warranty will be void. Any dealers who sell online can be stripped of their paradigm dealer status. Paradigm is pretty paranoid with that stuff lol.

That being said Paradigm dealers are pretty easy to find, just go to their website and do a dealer search for your area. Get a good relationship with the dealer and get yourself a discount. If you are wanting to buy online to get a cheap price, then i suggest looking at audiogon for new/used models (but keep in mind they wont have a warranty)

That's certainly a matter of taste, but you might mean "higher WAF"...which is still a matter of taste.

J.

What's WAF meants?

WAF= Wife Approval Factor

J.

paradigm is a strict supporter of B&M stores. They like to respect their dealers and forbid online sales. Anything found online and purchased the warranty will be void. Any dealers who sell online can be stripped of their paradigm dealer status. Paradigm is pretty paranoid with that stuff lol.

That being said Paradigm dealers are pretty easy to find, just go to their website and do a dealer search for your area. Get a good relationship with the dealer and get yourself a discount. If you are wanting to buy online to get a cheap price, then i suggest looking at audiogon for new/used models (but keep in mind they wont have a warranty)


Actually if you got to www.audiophileliquidator.net you can find all kinda speakers. The Paradigm studio 6 v5's are being sold right now but its a picture of the v5.

frenchmon

Well after some time of upgrading of other components in my system, I am starting to upgrade my speakers now, therefore my Studio 690 .v4 Black will be the first to be replaced, got a C5 on the way.... Other pieces that will be going will be the 100's and 20's, all .v4

If anyone is interested - feel free to pm me

Looking forward to the new pics!

Actually if you got to www.audiophileliquidator.net you can find all kinda speakers. The Paradigm studio 6 v5's are being sold right now but its a picture of the v5.

frenchmon

i didnt say you couldn't find them online, i just said they won't be authorized resellers and audiophile liquidators is no exception to that. They dont come with a Paradigm facotry warranty.. However, they do come with a third party warranty, but you never know what kind of service you get with those companies and they surely are not as timely with repair as paradigm support is.

I would suggest that you search google on audiophileliquidators, to see what kind of customer service you will get from them.....

do your homework... they don't have the greatest rep.


Looking forward to the new pics!

I'm looking forward to the step up in SQ :) but when everything comes together, I'll get some pics up...

WAF= Wife Approval Factor

J.

Oh, I see... LOL...was thinking something technical... like something something frequency!:p Sure my wife like the looks of the millenia series but I like the boxy tranditional style better. Since the price of the millenia is only slightly more than monitor series and they are sound better, I dun mind to please my wife by spending a few hundred bucks. If millenia didn't sound better than monitor series, of course I will do as usual... just tell her it is just her illusion when she happened to ask is there something different...:p

I am currently using Mirage Omnisat as my setup. I am thinking of using the 4 omnisat as my 7.1 rear and get the Studio 60 + CC690 for front. I wonder if anyone has been using similar setup and get good results mixing these 2 brands together.

After I have my mind set to go with millenia then my friend just offer me to take over his Focal Chorus 807v with a really good price. Since I am noob on speakers so I never heard of Focal before so how is the Focal compare to Paradigm?

S2's are in the way, and S8's all . V2
I need to hold onto the 20's For now for a speaker shootout later this month.

what are you comparing the studio 20v4 to s2v2? I be interested in hearing the review if that were the case.

After I have my mind set to go with millenia then my friend just offer me to take over his Focal Chorus 807v with a really good price. Since I am noob on speakers so I never heard of Focal before so how is the Focal compare to Paradigm?

apples to oranges man. Different sound, any answer you get is going to be biased. I recommend you give them a listen and find out yourself.

After I have my mind set to go with millenia then my friend just offer me to take over his Focal Chorus 807v with a really good price. Since I am noob on speakers so I never heard of Focal before so how is the Focal compare to Paradigm?

We are a dealer for both speaker companies, each has it's own sound. The 807v is a pretty darn good bookshelf speaker. Those retail for the same as 2 of the millenia 20's, but you would still need a center channel. You would also need speaker stands for the Focal's. They are 2 different sounds though. I think the Focal's tend to have a dry-ish sound compared to Paradigms. I would definetly listen to them first. Both companies are top notch, they do everything in house, from building cabinets, to the drivers, to the crossovers, etc. So that you don't hijack this thread, I would ask over in the focal owners thread about how people like their 807v speakers.

I am currently using Mirage Omnisat as my setup. I am thinking of using the 4 omnisat as my 7.1 rear and get the Studio 60 + CC690 for front. I wonder if anyone has been using similar setup and get good results mixing these 2 brands together.

I have never heard a setup with both types of speakers used, but I do know that the studio 60 + cc690 up front will be amazing. The 690 is an awesome center, but it is also physically huge. It is the size of a studio 60 tipped over on it's side.

I have never heard a setup with both types of speakers used, but I do know that the studio 60 + cc690 up front will be amazing. The 690 is an awesome center, but it is also physically huge. It is the size of a studio 60 tipped over on it's side.

Thanks for the reply. I have guessed too that its very rare to find anyone with such setup. The reason why i wish to keep the omnisat is due to the fact that i really enjoy the omnipolar enveloping sound that these mirage speakers provides. I am afraid it will be difficult to create such effect with conventional paradigm surround speakers.

Your opinion please.
I have Studio 100s with a CC 590 and ADP 370s surrounds. I use this for mainly HT, Blu Ray.

Do you think the upgrade from the 370s to 590s is worth it?
I'm using an Onkyo 906 bridged to the 100s in a 5.1 system.

Your input appreciated, ayrton

Your opinion please.
I have Studio 100s with a CC 590 and ADP 370s surrounds. I use this for mainly HT, Blu Ray.

Do you think the upgrade from the 370s to 590s is worth it?
I'm using an Onkyo 906 bridged to the 100s in a 5.1 system.

Your input appreciated, ayrton

I like the upgrade but then again the price is a concern. If you get a good deal then it is worth the price.

what are you comparing the studio 20v4 to s2v2? I be interested in hearing the review if that were the case.

There were a number of speakers (bookshelf) that were going to be at the shootout, The Ascend Sierra 1 (http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html)'s, WAF-1 (http://tweakcityaudio.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=21&category_id=7&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1), Emotiva ERM-1's, my studio 20's, I may bring the S2's, but those would obviously blow the pants off everything there.

I think it will be a leisure type comparison, but fun none the less...

I have never heard a setup with both types of speakers used, but I do know that the studio 60 + cc690 up front will be amazing. The 690 is an awesome center, but it is also physically huge. It is the size of a studio 60 tipped over on it's side.

It's actually not the width of the 690 that makes it a beast, it's the depth. I definitely glossed over the 16"+ depth when I was checking out the specs. Was definitely a shock when I opened up the box :)

I'll like to check whats the current prices of the v4 studio 60 and cc690 for the clearance price? I am close to sealing a deal but the dealer quote me like only 20% price off the v5 prices.

I'll like to check whats the current prices of the v4 studio 60 and cc690 for the clearance price? I am close to sealing a deal but the dealer quote me like only 20% price off the v5 prices.

There aren't any current prices for V4 speakers, only V5 in the studio line.

20% is a very nice discount on V5's. Most dealers won't go deeper than that unless it's a package discount or other such promotion.

J.

Would the sound difference be any different between these 2 models. I currently have Studio 100's V5 for front and rear and CC690 V5 for the center. I would like Studio 40's V4 for the rear surround but was wondering if the S4 V1's would be the same as the Studio 40's. The S4 V1's i am looking at are $1600.00 cdn., is this a good price? Thanks for the help.

Would the sound difference be any different between these 2 models. I currently have Studio 100's V5 for front and rear and CC690 V5 for the center. I would like Studio 40's V4 for the rear surround but was wondering if the S4 V1's would be the same as the Studio 40's. The S4 V1's i am looking at are $1600.00 cdn., is this a good price? Thanks for the help.

The studio 40's v4 and S4 v1 were out at the same time, the S4 is a better speaker all around, from finish to sound. The V5 studio's actually have very similar drivers to the v1 sig speakers, so that would be a pretty nice match sonically. I would take the S4's in a heartbeat, especially if the price is similar.+

I'll like to check whats the current prices of the v4 studio 60 and cc690 for the clearance price? I am close to sealing a deal but the dealer quote me like only 20% price off the v5 prices.

You mean they are trying to sell you the v4's at 20% off the price of the v5's? I guess it depends on how good their v5 prices are. 10-15% off MSRP is probably a good start for the v5's.

Hi! I hope someone can reply to my question.I have a 2year old servo 15 v2 subwoofer from paradigm and I have developed a slight Hum in the speaker when it is not being used.My dealer suggested unplugging the audio cable to see if it would disappear.The volume of hum was lowered but was definitely not gone. So I do have a ground loop problem of some sort he says,but I still have a slight Hum in the subwoofer when the audio cable is unplugged?
My question is --Is the slight hum NORMAL and therefore acceptable?
I have less than a month and a half left on the warranty! I own a second subwoofer (Elemental Designs A7S 450) which is also amplified.They are 4ft. apart firing in the same direction. It does not give off any sound at all --even if I switch the audio cables.
If anyone out there owns a Servo 15 ver 2 ,is this hum however slight normal? Thanks Mikepebble

Second part of the question __any suggestions to solve ground loop problem?

I'm coming up on my trade up period at my local hi-fi place -- anyone have any opinions on Studio 60 vs Studio 100 from a cost-performance ration perspective? I was only able to demo the 100's and loved them, but they are quite pricey --

Hi all.

I currently own a cinema 110 5.1 system. I have them on the wall. I was thinking of upgrading them. I would very much prefer to keep the on the wall aspect.

I have been thinking of the Sig W5 and was wondering if anyone would be able to shed some light on them - performance etc or perhaps other brands? (I undertand its a paradigm thread but thought I'd ask).

thanks for your time.

Do not think that a hum is normal. Mine is dead quiet. Do not see how you could have a ground loop with just the sub plugged in.


Hi! I hope someone can reply to my question.I have a 2year old servo 15 v2 subwoofer from paradigm and I have developed a slight Hum in the speaker when it is not being used.My dealer suggested unplugging the audio cable to see if it would disappear.The volume of hum was lowered but was definitely not gone. So I do have a ground loop problem of some sort he says,but I still have a slight Hum in the subwoofer when the audio cable is unplugged?
My question is --Is the slight hum NORMAL and therefore acceptable?
I have less than a month and a half left on the warranty! I own a second subwoofer (Elemental Designs A7S 450) which is also amplified.They are 4ft. apart firing in the same direction. It does not give off any sound at all --even if I switch the audio cables.
If anyone out there owns a Servo 15 ver 2 ,is this hum however slight normal? Thanks Mikepebble

You mean they are trying to sell you the v4's at 20% off the price of the v5's? I guess it depends on how good their v5 prices are. 10-15% off MSRP is probably a good start for the v5's.

Yes about 20% price differences for the v4 compared to the current v5 price.
I am not sure if that's good discount as i remember i've read about 40% discount for v4 speakers?

Somehow my dealer over here still leave 1 or 2 sets for the v4. :P

Second part of the question __any suggestions to solve ground loop problem?

I went though a terrible period of hum where I thought I had a ground loop. I purchased a couple of these: http://www.ebtechaudio.com/humxdes.html
and also one of these: http://www.psaudio.com/ps/products/detail/humbuster-iii

These significantly reduced the hum. The humX reduced the hum from my speakers and the Humbuster reduced the hum from my amp, however it still annoyed me that I had an electrical problem somewhere that I couldn't find.

The day I changed amps (went from bel canto to Simaudio Moon), all my hum issues disappeared. I have since sold the hum eliminating devices. The bel canto went back to the manufacturer and they say nothing was wrong with it so I sold it and the purchaser is very pleased. I can only assume that there was something to do with the design of the bc that wasn't compatible with something in my system.

The usual culprit in ground loops is a coax cable, but in my particular case, I removed each component one by one and reran new cables, had electrical checked, etc. Sometimes they are just impossible to find.

Where you are getting the hum when it is unplugged, makes me think your driver is stuck and it is not a ground loop. Have you tried plugging the sub in a seperate location of the house on an entirely different circuit?

In my case, the culprit was the amp.

Good luck!

Yes about 20% price differences for the v4 compared to the current v5 price.
I am not sure if that's good discount as i remember i've read about 40% discount for v4 speakers?

Somehow my dealer over here still leave 1 or 2 sets for the v4. :P

Well people are successful at getting even up to 25% off MRSP on the v5's, so 20% off of that might be a nice price on the v4's :)

Well people are successful at getting even up to 25% off MRSP on the v5's, so 20% off of that might be a nice price on the v4's :)

I saved 37% on my sig S6's v2.

wow that's a great deal on the s6's.. Makes them sound even better.. lol..

wow that's a great deal on the s6's.. Makes them sound even better.. lol..

It was.....and I got an even better deal on a D2v.

Hi! I hope someone can reply to my question.I have a 2year old servo 15 v2 subwoofer from paradigm and I have developed a slight Hum in the speaker when it is not being used.My dealer suggested unplugging the audio cable to see if it would disappear.The volume of hum was lowered but was definitely not gone. So I do have a ground loop problem of some sort he says,but I still have a slight Hum in the subwoofer when the audio cable is unplugged?
My question is --Is the slight hum NORMAL and therefore acceptable?
I have less than a month and a half left on the warranty! I own a second subwoofer (Elemental Designs A7S 450) which is also amplified.They are 4ft. apart firing in the same direction. It does not give off any sound at all --even if I switch the audio cables.
If anyone out there owns a Servo 15 ver 2 ,is this hum however slight normal? Thanks Mikepebble

You might also want to read the 4th paragraph of the following article:

http://www.hometheatersound.com/equipment/paradigm_sub_25.htm

I saved 37% on my sig S6's v2.

Rick took a while to give me the price I was looking for on the 60/690 combo, so I suspect your sig order helped a little :)

Rick took a while to give me the price I was looking for on the 60/690 combo, so I suspect your sig order helped a little :)

Good...glad I could help. I've sent a fair bit of business his way over the years and he has treated me very good as well.

Good...glad I could help. I've sent a fair bit of business his way over the years and he has treated me very good as well.

I am using the same mounts for my S2s.. Nice..

I am using the same mounts for my S2s.. Nice..

I've secured them underneath this way, just so I don't have any disasters.156182

Good...glad I could help. I've sent a fair bit of business his way over the years and he has treated me very good as well.

I am also looking to possibly sell my Velodyne DD15 and pick up Paradigms SUB1 when they are released in Nov.

http://www.slashgear.com/paradigm-sub-1-and-sub-2-subwoofers-are-hexagonal-expensive-loud-0158714/

I am also looking to possibly sell my Velodyne DD15 and pick up Paradigms SUB1 when they are released in Nov.

http://www.slashgear.com/paradigm-sub-1-and-sub-2-subwoofers-are-hexagonal-expensive-loud-0158714/

Nice, make sure and convert an outlet to 220 :)

Nice, make sure and convert an outlet to 220 :)

I am waiting for the Sub1 which is 120V. Even the Sub2 can be fed any voltage from 108V to 265V although performs at its best with 240V.

A good article by Jeff Fritz follows on the Sub2:

http://www.soundstage.com/equipment/paradigm_sub2.htm

I am waiting for the Sub1 which is 120V. Even the Sub2 can be fed any voltage from 108V to 265V although performs at its best with 240V.

A good article by Jeff Fritz follows on the Sub2:

http://www.soundstage.com/equipment/paradigm_sub2.htm

whoops i was thinking the sub 1 was the sub 2 for some reason lol.

whoops i was thinking the sub 1 was the sub 2 for some reason lol.

I would have thought they would name the larger model the Sub1 as well.

Here's a neat article:

http://www.soundstagenetwork.com/ultraaudio.com/twbas/twbas_200909_paradigm.htm

I am also looking to possibly sell my Velodyne DD15 and pick up Paradigms SUB1 when they are released in Nov.

http://www.slashgear.com/paradigm-sub-1-and-sub-2-subwoofers-are-hexagonal-expensive-loud-0158714/

I have already pre ordered 4 Sub 1's and 3 Sub 2's for customers... These things are the hottest product in Paradigms arsenal right now.

I have already pre ordered 4 Sub 1's and 3 Sub 2's for customers... These things are the hottest product in Paradigms arsenal right now.

Great....hope they post their impressions on here.

I recently moved into a smaller place (apartment) which has eliminated my ability to have a 5.1 system. I'm currently running Mini Monitor v5's for my front's, with a Cinema CC v3 a pair of Cinema 70 v3 for my surrounds.

I'm considering selling them and picking up 3 Millenia 20's for a 3.1 setup. I know they won't have a problem filling my room, but I just want to make sure that this would be a worthwhile upgrade. Anyone have any experience going from the speakers I have now to the Millenia's?

I'd suggest visiting your local Paradigm dealer and finding the speakers that are right for you (assuming that you want to stick with Paradigm). The Millenia will certainly be an upgrade, but you might consider other alternatives depending on space and budget constraints. The new Studio line is quite nice and certainly worth a listen if your situation permits a larger cabinet. The Millenia will be sonically thinner and will need to be paired with a good musical sub that can fill in the lower end that the Millenia line can't do.

Is that your one post for this year? :)

J.

Anyone using Bel Canto amps with Signature series? If so how do you like them and can you compare to anything else?

Anyone using Bel Canto amps with Signature series? If so how do you like them and can you compare to anything else?

I had a pair of REF1000's, but I found them to be edgy and harsh. Prior to that I had a bc eVo amp and it was much much better with the Sigs. It was actually quite a stunning match for the Sigs. I now run Simaudio amps and they are more similar to the eVo and a very very good match. So, I guess it depends what bc amp you are considering using. The new REF1000 mkII's are supposed to be better in terms of the harshness I experienced with the REF1000's.

I'd suggest visiting your local Paradigm dealer and finding the speakers that are right for you (assuming that you want to stick with Paradigm). The Millenia will certainly be an upgrade, but you might consider other alternatives depending on space and budget constraints. The new Studio line is quite nice and certainly worth a listen if your situation permits a larger cabinet. The Millenia will be sonically thinner and will need to be paired with a good musical sub that can fill in the lower end that the Millenia line can't do.

Is that your one post for this year? :)

J.

I've been trying to get to my local dealer, its actually only a couple of blocks way but I work a weird schedule so I usually miss their hours of operation. Hopefully I can get in there this week as I should have a day when I can get home before they close. So I was just asking if other had a similar change/experience to this to get their opinions.

Unfortunately, I have size constraints and the WAF to contend with, so while I would love to get some Studio 60's & CC-590 or 690 that won't happen at least not until we buy a house. I have a Supercube 3, which works just fine for my bass needs at the moment, but am also considering a sub upgrade as well (SVS SB-12 Plus, I need something on the small side).

No, this shouldn't be my one post for the year. I plan on getting more involved. This site has been a great source of information for me over the past few years and I'd like to start giving back what I've learned. :)

Anyone using Bel Canto amps with Signature series? If so how do you like them and can you compare to anything else?

I would suggest you also take a look at Wyred4Sound (http://www.wyred4sound.com/) - they use the same modules as Bel Canto, but they modify them for a more rich & warmer sound.
Here is the Forum Thread, its a good read. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1005943

Another manufacturer is D-Sonic (http://www.d-sonic.net/)
Here is the thread for that - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=855660

I have both amps, D-Sonic 5 channel 3 x 500 + 2 x 250 for my bedroom system, with Signature S4, C3 .v1's, and I'm very happy with the performance and SQ.
I have the Wyred4Sound 7Ch for my great room, powering studio's .v4, Sig S8's, C5, and S2s are on order, and should be arriving shortly... This amp is very nice, more refined build quality then the D-Sonic, with a bit more attention to detail, and Wyred mods these units for better SQ. - which is what the Bel Cantos mkII are supposed to have changed...

Anyone using Bel Canto amps with Signature series? If so how do you like them and can you compare to anything else?

I had the Ref1000 amps paired with my Sig S8's a while back. While the bass from the S8's was impressive, the top end was not. The top end seemed rolled off and the soundstage was smaller and more recessed with the Bel Canto amps. I also made the switch to a Simaudio Titan and I have been extremely pleased. I no longer have the S8's, but the W5's sing with that amp.

I've been trying to get to my local dealer, its actually only a couple of blocks way but I work a weird schedule so I usually miss their hours of operation. Hopefully I can get in there this week as I should have a day when I can get home before they close. So I was just asking if other had a similar change/experience to this to get their opinions.

Unfortunately, I have size constraints and the WAF to contend with, so while I would love to get some Studio 60's & CC-590 or 690 that won't happen at least not until we buy a house. I have a Supercube 3, which works just fine for my bass needs at the moment, but am also considering a sub upgrade as well (SVS SB-12 Plus, I need something on the small side).

No, this shouldn't be my one post for the year. I plan on getting more involved. This site has been a great source of information for me over the past few years and I'd like to start giving back what I've learned. :)

I completely understand the WAF when it comes to speakers. The millenia series is very popular because of this. As long as you have a sub, the millenia series is very good (absolutely no bass comes from these speakers, look at the driver sizes). The mids and highs they produce are much better than the mini monitors and cinema stuff you have right now. They would be a huge step up.

As a side note, the footprint of the studio 60 is now smaller than it used to be and the finish is much nicer, making it easier to please the wife. :)

As a side note, the footprint of the studio 60 is now smaller than it used to be and the finish is much nicer, making it easier to please the wife. :)

Absolutely. New new v5's are absolutely gorgeous and definitely not your typical big-box floorstanding cabinet. Real wood veneers, hand-rubbed lacquer finishes, etc...

J.

As a side note, the footprint of the studio 60 is now smaller than it used to be and the finish is much nicer, making it easier to please the wife. :)

I just have to wait for now, I've been told no Floorstanders until we have a basement. So, I'll just keep waiting and dreaming until then.

Anyone using Bel Canto amps with Signature series? If so how do you like them and can you compare to anything else?

I'm using the same modules as the Ref 1000's in a PS Audio chassis. I have S8 v.3's now and had S4 v.1's prior. I think it's a fantastic match, best amps I've owned.

I am confused at the comments by some calling the the highs "harsh" and then others calling them rolled off.
Is this some kind of chameleon amp? I think not.
I think what is happening is people get used to a "sound" and anything different is percieved as either bad or good.

My take on the top end is that it is incredibly detailed, tonally true with incredible separation. In fact I would echo those sentiments throughout the entire frequency range. In a word; "natural".

I have run the D-Sonic in a speaker shootout on both my Sig S4's and Salk Song Towers w/ Ribbon Tweeter - a very revealing speaker, Nuance the owner suggested there was no hint of rolloff nor harshness with that AMP, and the Wyred is supposed to be even more tube like or softer if you will...

You are welcome to PM Nuance about these amps, his name is very well known around here, and will be more then honest with his IMO very acute ear. In Fact we have a small speaker shootout scheduled for next SAT, I can bring either the Wyred or the D-Sonic to add to the mix of comparison material if you like and want to hear others opinions of it...

I'm using the same modules as the Ref 1000's in a PS Audio chassis. I have S8 v.3's now and had S4 v.1's prior. I think it's a fantastic match, best amps I've owned.

I am confused at the comments by some calling the the highs "harsh" and then others calling them rolled off.
Is this some kind of chameleon amp? I think not.
I think what is happening is people get used to a "sound" and anything different is percieved as either bad or good.

My take on the top end is that it is incredibly detailed, tonally true with incredible separation. In fact I would echo those sentiments throughout the entire frequency range. In a word; "natural".

The reason I got the REF1000's was due to the reports of them being a fantastic match for the Sigs. The reason I sold them is because I never could get "used" to the sound of them with the Sigs as much as I wanted to. I do believe that each individual has a perceived notion of what sounds good to them and different individuals detect different harmonics within their audible hearing range. ie. What one person hears, may not be what another does and that may be the difference in sounding good or bad to them. My experience with the REFs was a definite harshness which gave me listener fatigue. I don't get any of that with my Simaudio amps, but perhaps someone else would listen to my combination and hear something they don't like. What's important here is that I love my combination and that is what should matter most to each person. I didn't mean to imply that someone else might not like the BC/Sig combo, but it certainly was not for me. It appears as though this combo works for you as well as many others, which is great. You fit in with the reported reasons of why I originally purchased the REF's.

In my case, I was actually quite disappointed when I sold my eVo amp to get the REF's as the eVo was such an incredible sound to my ears with the Sigs.

Thanks-I would appreciate any opinions on this subject. I am able to listen to simaudio but do not have any bel canto dealers nearby. I have heard they match up quite well sonically w/ paradigm.

cheers,

Mike


I have run the D-Sonic in a speaker shootout on both my Sig S4's and Salk Song Towers w/ Ribbon Tweeter - a very revealing speaker, Nuance the owner suggested there was no hint of rolloff nor harshness with that AMP, and the Wyred is supposed to be even more tube like or softer if you will...

You are welcome to PM Nuance about these amps, his name is very well known around here, and will be more then honest with his IMO very acute ear. In Fact we have a small speaker shootout scheduled for next SAT, I can bring either the Wyred or the D-Sonic to add to the mix of comparison material if you like and want to hear others opinions of it...

In my case, I was actually quite disappointed when I sold my eVo amp to get the REF's as the eVo was such an incredible sound to my ears with the Sigs.

I wasn't being specific to you in my comment but more puzzled by some calling them laid back and others calling them harsh. The contrast is what I was commmenting on.

But interestingly enough since you mention it, when the Ref's first came out they were reported by more than a few pro reviewers as blowing the eVo's out of the water, and having a higher level of refinement, detail and power with a much quieter noise floor.

I've never experienced listening fatigue with the B&O ICEpower 1000ASP's & Signature combo - not even close -and when I listen to music I listen pretty loud, close to and above reference levels.

So you right I guess, to each their own. ;)

Hi! I hope someone can reply to my question.I have a 2year old servo 15 v2 subwoofer from paradigm and I have developed a slight Hum in the speaker when it is not being used.My dealer suggested unplugging the audio cable to see if it would disappear.The volume of hum was lowered but was definitely not gone. So I do have a ground loop problem of some sort he says,but I still have a slight Hum in the subwoofer when the audio cable is unplugged?
My question is --Is the slight hum NORMAL and therefore acceptable?
I have less than a month and a half left on the warranty! I own a second subwoofer (Elemental Designs A7S 450) which is also amplified.They are 4ft. apart firing in the same direction. It does not give off any sound at all --even if I switch the audio cables.
If anyone out there owns a Servo 15 ver 2 ,is this hum however slight normal? Thanks Mikepebble

I developed the same problem with my Servo 15 when I changed the plasma out that is just above it. Nothing worked to get rid of the hum until I plugged it into an extension cord and found a different outlet to plug it into. As it so happens, the outlet shared by my amps worked just fine to eliminate the hum so I used it. My wife wonders when I'm going to reroute the cord to not show anymore. It's on the list of things to do.

I'm coming up on my trade up period at my local hi-fi place -- anyone have any opinions on Studio 60 vs Studio 100 from a cost-performance ration perspective? I was only able to demo the 100's and loved them, but they are quite pricey --
I own the Studio 100's and the Studio 60's v.5 and have had them now for about a month. One main difference is that the 60's are rear ported where the 100's are not. The 60's are running like 5" cones and the 100's are running 7" cones (something like that) and I promise you will find a better bass response with the 100's, though the spec's do not show it, I think and this is just an opinion that the 100's do take a bit more to power than the 60's and they are not as responsive as the 60's. I do think though overall the 100's are the most incredible speakers I have ever had the pleasure to listen to, but maybe I am partial to them now considering the out of pocket expense I just went through picking up all four v.5 FS speakers and the CC-590. I did have the 60's as the front speakers but the 20's I had did not meet the W.A.F, so the 60's went to the rears and the 100's were put as fronts. I can tell you that the 100's dwarf the 60's in size and imo sound - see image

I actually demo'd the 60's - loved them. Once I got the 100's I wish I had gone 100's all the way around, not that the 60's are bad or anything, its just that the 100's have this sex appeal to them that is undeniable. They sound great as well in simple 2 channel, but when you have all 4 running (and I have the CC-590 center) - WOW, personally I have found my listening heaven from music to movies these babies rock!

When all I had was the 60's - I loved them, did not "want" for more and was quite happy with them. However now that I have the 100's, I would never go back to the 60's as my main fronts. So if you get the 60's you will not know what you are missing, they are amazing speakers themselves, but these 100's are worth every penny IMO. I do not know how I ever lived without them now.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2977/138hx.jpg

I actually demo'd the 60's - loved them. Once I got the 100's I wish I had gone 100's all the way around, not that the 60's are bad or anything, its just that the 100's have this sex appeal to them that is undeniable. They sound great as well in simple 2 channel, but when you have all 4 running (and I have the CC-590 center) - WOW, personally I have found my listening heaven from music to movies these babies rock!


I am envious......I have V4 40's and a 590 with old Atoms in the rear and I can describe my listening enjoyment in the same manner you do...heaven. My wife squashed my plan for a pair of Studio 10's to replace the Atoms in the rear until our basement is finished and our driveway surfaced......I don't mind parking on gravel...LOL You have an amazing system!!

I just have to wait for now, I've been told no Floorstanders until we have a basement. So, I'll just keep waiting and dreaming until then.


Last time I checked a marriage was supposed to be a 50/50 deal. If my wife "told" me NO! I'd definitely order them.

my 2¢ Dave

Hello to all.

Anyone here using the supplied floor spikes on hardwood floors with their 100s?

I have hardwood floors and I'm wondering if using the floor spikes (with isolation discs of course) would improve the sound significantly or at all for that matter (tighter, quicker bass maybe).

Thanks.

Last time I checked a marriage was supposed to be a 50/50 deal. If my wife "told" me NO! I'd definitely order them.

my 2¢ Dave+1
Life is a one shot deal, you got one chance and you never know when your going to go:D

Last time I checked a marriage was supposed to be a 50/50 deal. If my wife "told" me NO! I'd definitely order them.

my 2¢ Dave

hmm so im guessing you dont mind not "getting some"

:D

Hello to all.

Anyone here using the supplied floor spikes on hardwood floors with their 100s?

I have hardwood floors and I'm wondering if using the floor spikes (with isolation discs of course) would improve the sound significantly or at all for that matter (tighter, quicker bass maybe).

Thanks.

I wouldn't think so, the cabinets are fairly inert to begin with, the supplied feet with the rubber on the bottom should be fine.

hmm so im guessing you dont mind not "getting some"

:D
We've been married 28 years, we don't play games. She's out shopping for curtains right now....we really don't "need" new ones, but ... I didn't "tell" her No! Like I previously stated it's a 50/50 deal. Works for us. D

Hello all.
Are the legs on Sig C5 removable?
Thanks,

Just curious if you dont purchase the recommended center speaker for your system will it not sound good? I am looking into getting the Monitor 11 system and the center it recommends is the CC-390 but it wont fit in my stand just the CC-290 will fit perfectly where I want it. Thanks.

guys what's your opinion about Sig S6 v3? I want to upgrade my setup,
right now I have Denon 3808 with a Rotel amp and a Millenia setup -
300 front, 200 back and a 30 center.
I like to listen to the multi channel music, that's why I chose those
200s for the back instead of weak surrounds...
What would you recommend as a step up? If I pick S6 for the front,
what should I get for my backs? Another pair of S6? Are S2s gonna give
me enough balance with SACDs?

Hello all.
Are the legs on Sig C5 removable?
Thanks,

They sure are. In fact they aren't even attached when shipped.

guys what's your opinion about Sig S6 v3? I want to upgrade my setup,
right now I have Denon 3808 with a Rotel amp and a Millenia setup -
300 front, 200 back and a 30 center.
I like to listen to the multi channel music, that's why I chose those
200s for the back instead of weak surrounds...
What would you recommend as a step up? If I pick S6 for the front,
what should I get for my backs? Another pair of S6? Are S2s gonna give
me enough balance with SACDs?

For SACD either 5 X S6's or 5 X S2's with a great sub thrown in would be the ticket based on that formats' recommendations. (Depending on the size of the room they should sound pretty darn close.)

But if you multi task, ie watch movies and other surround music formats you're probably better throwing a C3 or C5 in the middle.

I've got a S8, C3, ADP setup and listen to all music formats including live concert Blu Rays in DTS HD MA & DD TrueHD which I think is on par with SACD and have no regrets with any format, they all sound exceptional.

If you go that upgrade route, spend the bucks and get an Audyssey "Pro" calibration for your 3808 too.

They sure are. In fact they aren't even attached when shipped.
Thanks. I appreciate it.

I'm about to place my order for Paradigm's new SUB1.

Just curious if you dont purchase the recommended center speaker for your system will it not sound good? I am looking into getting the Monitor 11 system and the center it recommends is the CC-390 but it wont fit in my stand just the CC-290 will fit perfectly where I want it. Thanks.

Anyone?

I own the Studio 100's and the Studio 60's v.5 and have had them now for about a month. One main difference is that the 60's are rear ported where the 100's are not. The 60's are running like 5" cones and the 100's are running 7" cones (something like that) and I promise you will find a better bass response with the 100's, though the spec's do not show it, I think and this is just an opinion that the 100's do take a bit more to power than the 60's and they are not as responsive as the 60's. I do think though overall the 100's are the most incredible speakers I have ever had the pleasure to listen to, but maybe I am partial to them now considering the out of pocket expense I just went through picking up all four v.5 FS speakers and the CC-590. I did have the 60's as the front speakers but the 20's I had did not meet the W.A.F, so the 60's went to the rears and the 100's were put as fronts. I can tell you that the 100's dwarf the 60's in size and imo sound - see image

I actually demo'd the 60's - loved them. Once I got the 100's I wish I had gone 100's all the way around, not that the 60's are bad or anything, its just that the 100's have this sex appeal to them that is undeniable. They sound great as well in simple 2 channel, but when you have all 4 running (and I have the CC-590 center) - WOW, personally I have found my listening heaven from music to movies these babies rock!

When all I had was the 60's - I loved them, did not "want" for more and was quite happy with them. However now that I have the 100's, I would never go back to the 60's as my main fronts. So if you get the 60's you will not know what you are missing, they are amazing speakers themselves, but these 100's are worth every penny IMO. I do not know how I ever lived without them now.

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/2977/138hx.jpg

The Studios are almost getting better looking than the Sigs.

I'm about to place my order for Paradigm's new SUB1.

Congrats on that, I hope your home has had a seismic upgrade recently! :D

Sorry, my friend but I have to comment - I looked at your set up and I have to say looking at the way you have your system set up I seriously doubt you could tell the difference between amps. In fact I'm surprised your ears aren't bleeding as we speak.

Okay, that's a bit of overkill for dramatic effect. ;) But I do see things in the picture that lead me to conclude there's no way you're getting the most out of your system.
For one your mains are too close to the wall and the stand, you're not going to get good bass reproduction with that positioning and also they are so close and behind the stand that you are no doubt getting wicked near-field reflections. The CC is even worse, it should be further out so the speakers radiate past the stand, where it is you're getting near-field reflections off both the stand and most likely the TV too.

With combination of hardwood floors, barren walls and speaker positioning I see in the pic it's not surprising listener fatigue was an issue for you and unless the amp you have now seriously limits the top end I'd bet you still get it.

I'm only saying this to help and not to criticize. The majority of people that experience harshness, brightness and listener fatigue all do the same thing; and that's neglect the room acoustics themselves. Generally when you get into the level of equipment you've got there, it's not the equipment causing the problem.

I strongly recommend you spend some time reading about room acoustics & treatments on the Audio Theory & Setup threads.

Anyone?

Most speakers now are "voiced" identically for HT use within the same product line so it should be an non issue, unless the room is quite large and/or you are sitting a long distance from the center, then the size could be relevant.

The other thing is with the new on-board EQ's of receivers I don't think matching is as important as it once was.

Most speakers now are "voiced" identically for HT use within the same product line so it should be an non issue, unless the room is quite large and/or you are sitting a long distance from the center, then the size could be relevant.

The other thing is with the new on-board EQ's of receivers I don't think matching is as important as it once was.

+1

I'm using a Studio CC490 for a center and Monitor 7 fronts with Titans for the rears and am quite pleased with the sound. The CC490 was the highest performing center that fit my credenza and budget. It's my intention to upgrade to Studio 100s next year but for now it's a sound that I can definately live with.

guys what's your opinion about Sig S6 v3? I want to upgrade my setup,
right now I have Denon 3808 with a Rotel amp and a Millenia setup -
300 front, 200 back and a 30 center.
I like to listen to the multi channel music, that's why I chose those
200s for the back instead of weak surrounds...
What would you recommend as a step up? If I pick S6 for the front,
what should I get for my backs? Another pair of S6? Are S2s gonna give
me enough balance with SACDs?


Can you accomodate 3 floorstanding speakers in the front...?
If so, 3 S6's up front would be the way to go, if not - throw a C5 in for the center...

The S2's for multichannel will be more then sufficient.... My S2's just showed up... I have Studio 100's, cc690 and 20's rear, and never had an issue with the bookshelf speakers for side surrounds - they have always been great for multichannel music.

Anyone?

I run the 11's with a CC-290 and it's fine.:)

I just recently set up my home theater room. I have studio 60s and cc590v5. Question about the cc590. I would like to angle it up slightly since it is below ear level but I'm not sure the best way to do that (or if its recommended) with the "feet" on the v5 studio centers. Does anyone else have their studio v5 center angled up?
Thanks

There is a single S4 .v2 piano black on Ebay for $699 + ship if anyone is interested.

Would make for a very nice CC IMO...

How often are the Studio lines revised? I'm considering purchasing a pair of Studio 20s (v5) for my music room but they'll eventually be moved to rears for my HT when I upgrade my Studio 20s (v4), which are currently the mains in my HT, to Studio 60s or 100s. But that probably wont happen for another 1.5 years. I just don't want to pick up v5 20s now and end up with v6 front stage down the road.

Thanks!

Congrats on that, I hope your home has had a seismic upgrade recently! :D

Sorry, my friend but I have to comment - I looked at your set up and I have to say looking at the way you have your system set up I seriously doubt you could tell the difference between amps. In fact I'm surprised your ears aren't bleeding as we speak.

Okay, that's a bit of overkill for dramatic effect. ;) But I do see things in the picture that lead me to conclude there's no way you're getting the most out of your system.
For one your mains are too close to the wall and the stand, you're not going to get good bass reproduction with that positioning and also they are so close and behind the stand that you are no doubt getting wicked near-field reflections. The CC is even worse, it should be further out so the speakers radiate past the stand, where it is you're getting near-field reflections off both the stand and most likely the TV too.

With combination of hardwood floors, barren walls and speaker positioning I see in the pic it's not surprising listener fatigue was an issue for you and unless the amp you have now seriously limits the top end I'd bet you still get it.

I'm only saying this to help and not to criticize. The majority of people that experience harshness, brightness and listener fatigue all do the same thing; and that's neglect the room acoustics themselves. Generally when you get into the level of equipment you've got there, it's not the equipment causing the problem.

I strongly recommend you spend some time reading about room acoustics & treatments on the Audio Theory & Setup threads.

I'm truely sorry for insulting your choice in amps but like I said it is my personal opinion alone. Others do love the REF1000's, but they were just not for me. I've already explained that in the most polite way that I could and sorry, I can tell the difference between amps very easily. Probably because I don't listen to my system at ungodly levels to make my ears bleed as you suggest.

With regards to my setup, please review the following and then feel free to comment.

156430

156431

156432

156433

I admit, I do have a slight adjustment to make with my CC, but I doubt the error in the curve is even noticeable to human hearing, even yours. I will ask our cats though to see what they think. I do have a wife, so it is much easier to get a smart black box (Anthem D2v) capable of taking care of room acoustics rather than get divorced because I have all sorts of baffles and room treatments done. Very sorry you don't approve of my setup, but if you're ever in the area, you're more than welcome to drop by to have a listen and then provide me with additional recommendations rather than diagnosing them from a single picture.

The seismic reinforcement of our home will be taken under consideration.....thanks.

your friend

Hi all,

quick question for a noob. Seems most folks here are used to seeing some measure of discount on their new speakers. I'm ready to purchase a pair of Studio 10's to start my HT but my local dealer says his $800 is firm. He'll price match if I can find something but otherwise, tough ****.

When I bought my Seamaster Pro last year, I walked into Ben Bridge and said Zales had offered me 20% off. Blam, $500 back in my pocket. Can this be done to the speaker snoots down the street?

Thanks.

Hi all

I am looking to get some on wall speakers. (5.1 setup). I've currently got the following shortlisted (to test/purchase). I currently own the cinema 110

Paradigm – millenia 20/30
– cinema 330

Monitor Audio – R250HD
– R270HD

I would like get more recommendations brands+models and where possible your thoughts /impressions on the models itself (of the ones you've suggested or the ones i've already listed)

Thank you very much for your time!

Hi all,

quick question for a noob. Seems most folks here are used to seeing some measure of discount on their new speakers. I'm ready to purchase a pair of Studio 10's to start my HT but my local dealer says his $800 is firm. He'll price match if I can find something but otherwise, tough ****.

When I bought my Seamaster Pro last year, I walked into Ben Bridge and said Zales had offered me 20% off. Blam, $500 back in my pocket. Can this be done to the speaker snoots down the street?

Thanks.


depends on the dealer. If he is going to be a stiff about it he will most likely ask for the price quote to call your bluff.
If he just said that to intimidate you expecting you to cave then you may have a chance by telling him you were offered a better deal at a different dealer.

Hi all

I am looking to get some on wall speakers. (5.1 setup). I've currently got the following shortlisted (to test/purchase). I currently own the cinema 110

Paradigm – millenia 20/30
– cinema 330

Monitor Audio – R250HD
– R270HD

I would like get more recommendations brands+models and where possible your thoughts /impressions on the models itself (of the ones you've suggested or the ones i've already listed)

Thank you very much for your time!what did you like about the cinema 110's.

what did you like about the cinema 110's.

did you mean what i didn't like or it was really what i did like? just checking.

I'm truely sorry for insulting your choice in amps but like I said it is my personal opinion alone. Others do love the REF1000's, but they were just not for me. I've already explained that in the most polite way that I could and sorry, I can tell the difference between amps very easily. Probably because I don't listen to my system at ungodly levels to make my ears bleed as you suggest.

With regards to my setup, please review the following and then feel free to comment.

156430

156431

156432

156433

I admit, I do have a slight adjustment to make with my CC, but I doubt the error in the curve is even noticeable to human hearing, even yours. I will ask our cats though to see what they think. I do have a wife, so it is much easier to get a smart black box (Anthem D2v) capable of taking care of room acoustics rather than get divorced because I have all sorts of baffles and room treatments done. Very sorry you don't approve of my setup, but if you're ever in the area, you're more than welcome to drop by to have a listen and then provide me with additional recommendations rather than diagnosing them from a single picture.

The seismic reinforcement of our home will be taken under consideration.....thanks.

your friend

Yikes. :eek: No, that very little to do with your taste in amps actually and I never take opinions personal, I understand all too well personal taste.

Obviously when I made the comments I did, I didn't factor ARC into the equation. I did say my only goal was to help, and no dissing was intended and apologies if I came across like that.

I probaby did jump to conclusions, however the picture simply doesn't lie, and even an advanced room correction like ARC can only do so much. I don't have first hand experience with ARC but I do have the Audyssey Pro kit, and the before and after graphs tend to be pretty optomistic. It appears you're getting great results, yet I can't help but think you could do even better with a bit better placement and some treatments. Maybe you can try it when the wife gives you your pants back! ;)

Question for those with the J29 stands: Any inexpensive alternatives to filling them with sand?

Yikes. :eek: No, that very little to do with your taste in amps actually and I never take opinions personal, I understand all too well personal taste.

Obviously when I made the comments I did, I didn't factor ARC into the equation. I did say my only goal was to help, and no dissing was intended and apologies if I came across like that.

I probaby did jump to conclusions, however the picture simply doesn't lie, and even an advanced room correction like ARC can only do so much. I don't have first hand experience with ARC but I do have the Audyssey Pro kit, and the before and after graphs tend to be pretty optomistic. It appears you're getting great results, yet I can't help but think you could do even better with a bit better placement and some treatments. Maybe you can try it when the wife gives you your pants back! ;)

There is no question that additional treatment/placement could possibly, and I mean possibly eak out a bit more from my system whether it be an audible improvent or not, but fact of the matter is, I am very, very pleased with my system right now. I think it sounds fantastic as does anyone that hears it, and to me, that is what is most important. Am I willing to experiment and try new things? Absolutely, that is part of the enjoyment I get out of this hobbey, but in doing so, I have to have some consideration for my wife as well. If that means she wears, the pants, so be it. I just call it marriage.

Question for those with the J29 stands: Any inexpensive alternatives to filling them with sand?

What's inexpensive? Sand is about the cheapest fill. If you really want weight nothing beats lead shot. You might try one bag of this in each stand. http://www.precisionreloading.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PRE&Product_Code=SHLMAG4&Category_Code=LEAD_SHOT_BB9 If you do use lead I'd suggest putting it into heavy duty freezer rated storage ziplock type bags. This way it can be inserted/removed easily and won't tear open leaving you with a mess.

How often are the Studio lines revised? I'm considering purchasing a pair of Studio 20s (v5) for my music room but they'll eventually be moved to rears for my HT when I upgrade my Studio 20s (v4), which are currently the mains in my HT, to Studio 60s or 100s. But that probably wont happen for another 1.5 years. I just don't want to pick up v5 20s now and end up with v6 front stage down the road.

Thanks!

About every 2, maybe 3 years? Current v5s have been available for 8 months or so.

Hi all,

quick question for a noob. Seems most folks here are used to seeing some measure of discount on their new speakers. I'm ready to purchase a pair of Studio 10's to start my HT but my local dealer says his $800 is firm. He'll price match if I can find something but otherwise, tough ****.

When I bought my Seamaster Pro last year, I walked into Ben Bridge and said Zales had offered me 20% off. Blam, $500 back in my pocket. Can this be done to the speaker snoots down the street?

Thanks.

Run, don't walk, to another dealer. You should be able to get 5-10% off MRSP quite easily. Getting deeper discounts takes more work or a better relationship with the dealer. Shopping around can help you get better prices, but by the sounds of it, I'd rather just shop elsewhere. MRSP, take it or leave it? Leave it IMO.

There is no question that additional treatment/placement could possibly, and I mean possibly eak out a bit more from my system whether it be an audible improvent or not, but fact of the matter is, I am very, very pleased with my system right now. I think it sounds fantastic as does anyone that hears it, and to me, that is what is most important. Am I willing to experiment and try new things? Absolutely, that is part of the enjoyment I get out of this hobbey, but in doing so, I have to have some consideration for my wife as well. If that means she wears, the pants, so be it. I just call it marriage.

All that being said, the WAF is an all too common factor in negating the possible use of room treatments. There's some new stuff now that's finally addressing that issue, I don't remember the brand, but I know you can get acoustic panels with your favorite art prints on them now so they look like pictures when hung on the wall.
One option for those running into the WAF, is to get them creatively involved. The old "I'd like to do this, but I know it's too ugly, do you have any ideas..." trick.

Oh, and I've been married for thirty years, and I wear the pants in the house...........when she lets me! :p

Hi all,

quick question for a noob. Seems most folks here are used to seeing some measure of discount on their new speakers. I'm ready to purchase a pair of Studio 10's to start my HT but my local dealer says his $800 is firm. He'll price match if I can find something but otherwise, tough ****.

When I bought my Seamaster Pro last year, I walked into Ben Bridge and said Zales had offered me 20% off. Blam, $500 back in my pocket. Can this be done to the speaker snoots down the street?

Thanks.]

I bought a pair of studio 10s, got about 20% off. I had two dealers within an hour, one was firm, one 20%. Fortunately the closer dealer was the 20%.

i recently picked up some v2 titans for surround duty. I currently have the v5 adp-190's (rear duty for the moment), mini-monitors, and cc-290 up front powered by a marantz sr5003.

couple questions:

i am trying to determine if should place them at side surround or rear surround in my 21 x10.5' room. any suggestions?

secondly, will any generic speaker bracket work for these?

if mounted to the wall, is there a minimal clearance for the rear port?

are the grills supposed to be removable?

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help!

i recently picked up some v2 titans for surround duty. I currently have the v5 adp-190's (rear duty for the moment), mini-monitors, and cc-290 up front powered by a marantz sr5003.

couple questions:

i am trying to determine if should place them at side surround or rear surround in my 21 x10.5' room. any suggestions?

secondly, will any generic speaker bracket work for these?

if mounted to the wall, is there a minimal clearance for the rear port?

are the grills supposed to be removable?

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help!

Assuming you're using the room lengthwise I'd use the ADP's as the side surrounds - they're designed to diffuse sound and since the room is narrow and you have no choice but to sit close to them that is actually advantageous.

Use the Titans for rears. The rear port should be far enough away that it doesn't restrict air flow - that doesn't require much maybe an inch or two, toeing them in, or angling them down a bit will create even less resistance from the back wall so it's not too critical.

Only one dealer relativity close to me and was not sure if they would come off retail or not. Well I ordered studio 60's, cc-590, and adp-590's for 20% off. I thought that was a good deal. Just ordered a svs pb13 ultra as well. All rosenut. Can not wait to set them up.

Has anyone seen or heard the SUB1's first hand yet? I don't think they are officially released yet, but I know they have been on display at shows like CEDIA.

Has anyone seen or heard the SUB1's first hand yet? I don't think they are officially released yet, but I know they have been on display at shows like CEDIA.

As stated, I have seen them both at CEDIA, but this is the first I have seen that someone will be getting a chance to listen, other then for review purposes.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17434148#post17434148

Hi all,

quick question for a noob. Seems most folks here are used to seeing some measure of discount on their new speakers. I'm ready to purchase a pair of Studio 10's to start my HT but my local dealer says his $800 is firm. He'll price match if I can find something but otherwise, tough ****.

When I bought my Seamaster Pro last year, I walked into Ben Bridge and said Zales had offered me 20% off. Blam, $500 back in my pocket. Can this be done to the speaker snoots down the street?

Thanks.
Hell I got a pair of Studio 20s which were demos for $700 shipped off ebay. I look around. I see a nice pair of Studio 40s right now with stands for a good price.

Only one dealer relativity close to me and was not sure if they would come off retail or not. Well I ordered studio 60's, cc-590, and adp-590's for 20% off. I thought that was a good deal. Just ordered a svs pb13 ultra as well. All rosenut. Can not wait to set them up.

The dealer my friend went to was firm with their prices as well. My friend wanted to buy a complete Studio 60's package, but he got no where near the discount others are getting here. The prices he was given seem to be at most 12% off MSRP. We figured out the Studio 60 fronts to be only 10% off MSRP. Studio 100's were only 7% off. It's the only dealer around our area.

We understand the dealer needs to make a profit too, to stay afloat. But in this economic time, you would think they would give a better deal. Especially with a full-blown package being bought with HDTV too. We walked out the dealer and haven't been back. He's looking at other brands of speakers now, since that was the only Paradigm dealer around here.

Here is a review of the Studio line with MSRP, if anyone wants to figure out discount.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/10/paradigm-gives-its-reference-studio-speakers-a-bump-to-v-5/

As stated, I have seen them both at CEDIA, but this is the first I have seen that someone will be getting a chance to listen, other then for review purposes.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17434148#post17434148

"......other than review purposes." Have you seen a review on the SUB1?

anyone use "generic" brand mounts for their speakers? just wondering if they will do the trick to hold up some v2 Titans on the rear wall. thanks in advance!

considering DIY with some scrap wood/mdf i have laying around, but was wondering if others have mounted with a cheap alternative.

Thanks in advance...

The dealer my friend went to was firm with their prices as well. My friend wanted to buy a complete Studio 60's package, but he got no where near the discount others are getting here. The prices he was given seem to be at most 12% off MSRP. We figured out the Studio 60 fronts to be only 10% off MSRP. Studio 100's were only 7% off. It's the only dealer around our area.

We understand the dealer needs to make a profit too, to stay afloat. But in this economic time, you would think they would give a better deal. Especially with a full-blown package being bought with HDTV too. We walked out the dealer and haven't been back. He's looking at other brands of speakers now, since that was the only Paradigm dealer around here.

Here is a review of the Studio line with MSRP, if anyone wants to figure out discount.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/01/10/paradigm-gives-its-reference-studio-speakers-a-bump-to-v-5/now your friend has to miss out on great speakers because he thinks he should get 20% off thats not realistic. repeat customers usually get better discounts than first timers.

"......other than review purposes." Have you seen a review on the SUB1?

If you want to call this a review :rolleyes:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/paradigm-sub-1-2

Otherwise NO, not as of yet, but they are obviously shipping, so soon we will see.... sorry

now your friend has to miss out on great speakers because he thinks he should get 20% off thats not realistic. repeat customers usually get better discounts than first timers.

That's true however, there's a big difference between thinking he should and knowing the dealer could.

It's not in my DNA to pay full retail.....'cept maybe to Apple.

That's true however, there's a big difference between thinking he should and knowing the dealer could.

It's not in my DNA to pay full retail.....'cept maybe to Apple.

Well that makes no sense. Why do you think Apple should get full retail and not Paradigm?

There is just to many people that feel obligated for discounts when they have done nothing. It just doesnt work like that. I'll admit i was like you once, but after working for a small audio/video shop i understand what dealers actually need to survive these days. You call it snobbery, they call it surviving. I've said it before, but i'll say it again....

First time buyers are the WORST when they walk in and just flat out expect big discounts. wanting 20-30% is extreme. But here is the thing, generally that customer going from store to store to get the lowest price is not a repeat customer, and usually not the type to throw more business your way (Although sometimes it happens). They usually also tend to be the uber high maintenance customers. You dont have to agree with me i'm just saying its not really doing businesses any favors.

businesses need to adapt or die.

That's true however, there's a big difference between thinking he should and knowing the dealer could.

It's not in my DNA to pay full retail.....'cept maybe to Apple.

Two things, first the toughtest thing to do in this economy is to protect margins and yet it is actually the most prudent business thing to do. This dealer will still be there after the dust settles, discounters... well...

Second I believe that Paradigm is very strict in their policies, so if the most they allow their dealers to sell off of MSRP is 10%, or whatever, and the dealer puts his sticker price there, he can't discount any further or he'll loose the line.

There's another factor at play I just thought of, and that's the strength of the Canadian dollar, it has to make Paradigms a bit more expensive for the dealers to buy in the US.

businesses need to adapt or die.

yeah um if only it were that simple.

I'm amazed by people who shop by comparing "discounts" rather than which product yields the best value.

Sure, it would be nice if the dealer would agree to sell you the Paradigm setup at a discount, but in the end if $5000 of the Paradigm gear bought without a discount sounds better to you than $5750 worth of KEF gear discounted 15% to $5000 than why would think twice about getting the Paradigm gear?


There is nothing wrong with tactfully asking for a discount, but if the retailer says no, this shouldn't be an automatic deal-breaker. Buy whatever you like best within your budget. ..In the end, this is what will lead to long-term satisfaction. ..Not buying what's being discounted the deepest. ..And no offense to previous posters, but I'd be reluctant to trust all of the claims you read here of huge discounts. ..Some may be true, but others probably not. And Kudos to Paradigm for at least trying to protect the interests of it's retailers through protected territories and prohibiting internet sales. Without B&M stores our hobby dies. You'd better believe it..

And then there is always Audiogon, If you want a deeper discount, be patient and shop there, I have bought tons of gear there, but there are certain limits to what I will buy from there, knowing there could be shipping issues - such as getting huge towers - that can get slaughtered by UPS as well as other shipping co's, and also - comes with no warranty.

Just remember, if you have a good dealer, its nice to be able to have a place to go and have a relationship, I know I enjoy that..... I went back to mine to make an order for my Sig S8's, Even though they don't carry the Sig line - but wanted to allow him to have a chance at a sale, and he gave me a fair price - a good deal for me, and I know I can always rely on him for support. Glad to help a fellow entrepreneur and a customer of my own.

Hi all

I am looking to get some on wall speakers. (5.1 setup). I've currently got the following shortlisted (to test/purchase). I currently own the cinema 110

Paradigm – millenia 20/30
– cinema 330

Monitor Audio – R250HD
– R270HD

I would like get more recommendations brands+models and where possible your thoughts /impressions on the models itself (of the ones you've suggested or the ones i've already listed)

Thank you very much for your time!

Well here are my thoughts,

We used to have the Monitor Audio radius line on display. They have a very pleasing sound, but are not very efficient, so they don't play as loud as other speakers. They have tiny drivers so you need a sub to with them. I think they are a little expensive for what you get.

The cinema 330 setup wouldn't be that big of a step up from the 110's. They will play louder and have a bigger soundstage, but they will sound the same sonically.

Jumping up to the millenia line will be a dramatic increase. Just make sure you have a sub because those speakers should be crossed over at 80 cycles.

Two things, first the toughtest thing to do in this economy is to protect margins and yet it is actually the most prudent business thing to do. This dealer will still be there after the dust settles, discounters... well...

Second I believe that Paradigm is very strict in their policies, so if the most they allow their dealers to sell off of MSRP is 10%, or whatever, and the dealer puts his sticker price there, he can't discount any further or he'll loose the line.

There's another factor at play I just thought of, and that's the strength of the Canadian dollar, it has to make Paradigms a bit more expensive for the dealers to buy in the US.

Very well put rnrgagne, I couldn't have said it better. Paradigm's policies are very strict, but it also shows when you go to sell your speakers. Look at resale value for Paradigm and that will show you something. Their speakers hold their value very well, because you can't find them online for dirt cheap prices.

Yeah Warpdrv, same here - lots of Agon & Canuckaudiomart for me. Locally, I've pretty much been dealing with two guys for more than twenty years and always get a better deal than the guy walking in off the street.

That's true however, there's a big difference between thinking he should and knowing the dealer could.

It's not in my DNA to pay full retail.....'cept maybe to Apple.

Always check with your dealer to see if they have floor models to move out. They will typically discount them. We always have trade ins or floor models that we will discount. You just have to call at the right time to get a deal.

Many good replies, very thoughtful insight from all. Much appreciated.

FWIW, I'm not some schlub looking for a massive deal, just a new client looking to get his beak wet for 5% to 10% off. No harm, no foul.

I like the upgrade but then again the price is a concern. If you get a good deal then it is worth the price.

Thanks for your input. Got a good price, got the speakers.

Sounds Great! :D

Very well put rnrgagne, I couldn't have said it better. Paradigm's policies are very strict, but it also shows when you go to sell your speakers. Look at resale value for Paradigm and that will show you something. Their speakers hold their value very well, because you can't find them online for dirt cheap prices.

Strict policies? There are dealers on this forum that will sell and ship out-of-state. 6thave anyone? I don't see Paradigm placing regulations on them and stopping them. Plus everyone always mentions dealer "territory". A person can travel out of town, and buy at another dealer. The customer doesn't have to live in that same area as the dealer. My friend told me tonight, he may just take a road-trip this weekend in his truck, and go to the next nearest dealer 300 miles away. He just won't tell the dealer he is out of town. He'll give his relatives address that live in the city, when he buys the speakers. He's not worried too much on warranty. Because let's face it, there is probably 35%-40% markup or more, on the higher-end Paradigm speakers(Studio/Sigs). If the dealer gives 20% off MSRP, they are still making a decent amount.

Always check with your dealer to see if they have floor models to move out. They will typically discount them. We always have trade ins or floor models that we will discount. You just have to call at the right time to get a deal.

I'll second this. I picked a set of v4 Studio 40's and a CC590 that were floor models at a very good discount. A few weeks ago I almost pulled the trigger on a floor model Sub 12. In the store I deal with the Studio stuff resides in dedicated listening rooms and not in the main traffic area of the store. All demos are done with a salesman present initially so the equipment is not abused. Centre channels are played for a few minutes at a time usually. If you're lucky you can get a matching set for a good price and still get full warranty.

Strict policies? There are dealers on this forum that will sell and ship out-of-state. 6thave anyone? I don't see Paradigm placing regulations on them and stopping them.

I think they must have. They now only sell the sets which Paradigm allows to be sold over the web, the Cinemas.

Always check with your dealer to see if they have floor models to move out. They will typically discount them. We always have trade ins or floor models that we will discount. You just have to call at the right time to get a deal.

problem I have is the dealers in the area (maybe 4). Only one of them actually has Studio line and by that I mean one set of Studio 20s and no one was Signatures. This makes is hard to get a deal on floor models. So those who have Paradigm dealers who stock Studio's and Signature's in the show room this makes sense.

Geesh.. After mentioning the Studio 40s that were selling on ebay with stands the price went two $200 dollars.. lol.

Check Audiogon for used, quality gear.

J.

Hi again,
Went to connect my new ADP 590s, according to the manual, and couldn't find where the speakers were marked "Right and Left. :confused:

The book clearly states that they are marked.

TIA, ayrton

Strict policies? There are dealers on this forum that will sell and ship out-of-state. 6thave anyone? I don't see Paradigm placing regulations on them and stopping them. Plus everyone always mentions dealer "territory". A person can travel out of town, and buy at another dealer. The customer doesn't have to live in that same area as the dealer. My friend told me tonight, he may just take a road-trip this weekend in his truck, and go to the next nearest dealer 300 miles away. He just won't tell the dealer he is out of town. He'll give his relatives address that live in the city, when he buys the speakers. He's not worried too much on warranty. Because let's face it, there is probably 35%-40% markup or more, on the higher-end Paradigm speakers(Studio/Sigs). If the dealer gives 20% off MSRP, they are still making a decent amount.

Wow, you're completely missing the boat, this may be the case for a lot of retailers and brands, but there's no way I'm wrong about the Paradigm group which includes Anthem. Sure as suggested above they have some budget lines that they will allow internet direct sales long with discontinued lines. But to the best of my knowledge they have serious control over distribution and mark-downs.
In my city of about three to four million people, there's only one dealer allowed to carry the Signature line, there's a quite a few with the Studio line and although I've got a great rapport with a couple of them, they couldn't even special order the Sigs for me.

I really don't get the knock against people making money, what is the point of building and selling anything? Why do you have a job.... probably because your boss is making money... :rolleyes:

I just went to my dealer this week and got a great deal from them. I bought a set of studio 20v4 speakers and a CC-590 v4 marked way down in prices. Now all I need to do is find a pair of studio 100 v4's somewhere so I can complete my system. Then it is on to buying a subwoofer and I will be done for awhile until I get the itch to upgrade.

So, I have auditioned some Atom Monitors and Mini Monitors and really liked the sound. I'm slowly upgrading from a HTIB to my next step in home theater listening. I have an HK-240 AVR that I am using for power.

Right now I have three options:

New Atom Monitors
HSU HB-1 (Internet brand so I have been unable to listen to)
There is also this listing @ audiogon:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1260845438&/Paradigm-Studio-20%27s

Now the used set of Studios I assume would be superior to new Atoms, but it's hard to tell, as I have no idea what version studio they are, and if there are issues I should be aware of with an older model.

My other concern is if I go studio (even an old model) for my fronts, am I going to be stuck when it comes time to find a matching center (assuming I can't afford a new studio cc).

Any help / advice between old studio and new atom and anyone who can compare hearing the HSU to the Atom would be great.

Thanks

Reu

My friend told me tonight, he may just take a road-trip this weekend in his truck, and go to the next nearest dealer 300 miles away.

I hope he's buying enough product that gas/wear on the truck doesn't overcome the savings. My company provides $0.50/mile reimbursement for wear & tear/gas as an estimate. That's $300 round trip. Even just gas would be about 30 gallons of gas at 20mpg (light truck) = $90 at $3/gallon. I hope he doesn't make the drive and end up with MSRP.

Has anyone worked with a good Paradigm dealer in the Bay Area? The one closest to me looks like they specialize in installs, but I'd prefer to work with somewhere that I can go in and visit and listen.

So, I have auditioned some Atom Monitors and Mini Monitors and really liked the sound. I'm slowly upgrading from a HTIB to my next step in home theater listening. I have an HK-240 AVR that I am using for power.

Right now I have three options:

New Atom Monitors
HSU HB-1 (Internet brand so I have been unable to listen to)
There is also this listing @ audiogon:

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1260845438&/Paradigm-Studio-20%27s

Now the used set of Studios I assume would be superior to new Atoms, but it's hard to tell, as I have no idea what version studio they are, and if there are issues I should be aware of with an older model.

My other concern is if I go studio (even an old model) for my fronts, am I going to be stuck when it comes time to find a matching center (assuming I can't afford a new studio cc).

Any help / advice between old studio and new atom and anyone who can compare hearing the HSU to the Atom would be great.

Thanks

Reu

Reu,
I went thru the same dilemma. I found some nice used gear online, but was hesitant to purchase without hearing. I also considered some internet direct sources, but again was hesitant without hearing them. i went to visit a couple brick and mortar stores to listen to B&W, Klipsch, Monitor audio, Polk, NHT, and Paradigm.

I really liked the Polks, but after hearing all of them, the Paradigm worked best for my taste and budget. I went with the mini-monitors, cc-290, and apd-190s all v5. The atoms worked for me, but the mini's had that little bit more bass (not much but more). The warranty that came with new speakers also helped my peace of mind.

as for the matching center, with most new avrs the need for a matching center are days of the past. the receiver will typically use some type of audio calibration to "match" the output of all speakers.

whatever you choose, be happy and enjoy. don't sweat whether you should have bought this or should have bought that. good luck with whatever you choose.

those studios look very nice!

Reu,


as for the matching center, with most new avrs the need for a matching center are days of the past. the receiver will typically use some type of audio calibration to "match" the output of all speakers.



No offense, but an AVR can not and will not fix the voicing (also referred to as timbre matching) of a center to make it match a different brand mains....

Paradigm speakers in the same line are built to be voiced (or timbre matched) the same, so stick with one of the correctly matched centers if you can... Different mains from the center will effect the sound when panning across the front sound stage.

Stick with the same line and brand across the front 3.... Its less of a concern when mismatching surround speakers to the front 3.
I usually shoot for 5.0 to be the same, and my rear surrounds are a different brand altogether... Paradigm does a great job of offering multiple different options of speakers to choose from for flexibility.

Well here are my thoughts,

We used to have the Monitor Audio radius line on display. They have a very pleasing sound, but are not very efficient, so they don't play as loud as other speakers. They have tiny drivers so you need a sub to with them. I think they are a little expensive for what you get.

The cinema 330 setup wouldn't be that big of a step up from the 110's. They will play louder and have a bigger soundstage, but they will sound the same sonically.

Jumping up to the millenia line will be a dramatic increase. Just make sure you have a sub because those speakers should be crossed over at 80 cycles.

Thank you very much Need4spd. Thanks for the info and comparison. So you think it's a fairly good option to go the millenia? Would you recommend any other on wall speakers?

thanks for the clarification warpdrv. i thought i read before it did not matter with all the new calibration features of most receivers. learn something new everyday!!

thanks for the clarification warpdrv. i thought i read before it did not matter with all the new calibration features of most receivers. learn something new everyday!!

nope definately matters, it just makes matching the sensitivity levels easier. Cant change timbre

What do you think my chances are of getting a paradigm dealer to help me diagnose and/or service a broken speaker without a warranty. I obviously will pay for parts but would prefer if labor was low as a courtesy as I am looking for a new dealer.

Do you think there is a likelihood that this can happen?

nope definately matters, it just makes matching the sensitivity levels easier. Cant change timbre

I think sensitivity levels are very important for many people who listen at high volumes but have mid/high level receivers without external amps. I have JTR fronts with a 98db sensitivity and was considering selling my studio 60's rather than use them as surrounds. I kept finding speakers in my price range were only 87-89 rated and with a rather powerful receiver with 130w at 8ohms and even more at 4ohms (which the jtr's are) the surrounds would have been getting clipped before the fronts broke a sweat. This made me keep the studio 60's despite finding out they have some sort of problem I have yet to diagnose.

Thank you very much Need4spd. Thanks for the info and comparison. So you think it's a fairly good option to go the millenia? Would you recommend any other on wall speakers?

For the price, the millenias are hard to beat. They look sexy on the walls and they have a very smooth sound to them. There is also a millenia hybrid, which mounts like an inwall speaker but sticks out of the wall about an inch which is really slick looking. We have 3 on display around a Sony LCD and they draw attention to them all the time.

Would I recommend any other on walls, sure, I have the W5 sigs on my walls in my basement. They are phenomenal. :)
Hey, you asked. :)

I think the millenia are the best bang for your buck on wall in the paradigm lineup, when you jump up to the esprit and W5, you are more of a theater guy because those aren't really a comprimise with the wife considering the size.

What do you think my chances are of getting a paradigm dealer to help me diagnose and/or service a broken speaker without a warranty. I obviously will pay for parts but would prefer if labor was low as a courtesy as I am looking for a new dealer.

Do you think there is a likelihood that this can happen?

Your local dealer should be willing to take care of you. We always do when people bring stuff in to us that they haven't purchased from us. It is good business to help people out whether they purchased them from you or not. You never know where the relationship could go from there. They will charge you obviously to do so, but they should help out.

thanks for the clarification warpdrv. i thought i read before it did not matter with all the new calibration features of most receivers. learn something new everyday!!

Well simple calibration features no, but some of the better room Room EQ's can make a difference in this regard IMO, it's always better to start with matched obviously, but when an EQ like Audyssey's MultEQ XT fixes not only the frequency response, but but also the timing and levels - it will have a positive effect if speakers aren't identical, better than not using it anyway.

For the price, the millenias are hard to beat. They look sexy on the walls and they have a very smooth sound to them. There is also a millenia hybrid, which mounts like an inwall speaker but sticks out of the wall about an inch which is really slick looking. We have 3 on display around a Sony LCD and they draw attention to them all the time.

Would I recommend any other on walls, sure, I have the W5 sigs on my walls in my basement. They are phenomenal. :)
Hey, you asked. :)

I think the millenia are the best bang for your buck on wall in the paradigm lineup, when you jump up to the esprit and W5, you are more of a theater guy because those aren't really a comprimise with the wife considering the size.any pics of that W5 setup?

any pics of that W5 setup?


Yeah, +1 on that.... Wheres the PICS bro....

Has anyone worked with a good Paradigm dealer in the Bay Area? The one closest to me looks like they specialize in installs, but I'd prefer to work with somewhere that I can go in and visit and listen.

Music Lovers Audio Video. I have had good experience with them.

Yeah, +1 on that.... Wheres the PICS bro....

I've been meaning to snap a few pics but have been tied up at work and playtime with our little ones. I'll try to snap some tonight and get them posted tomorrow.

I've been meaning to snap a few pics but have been tied up at work and playtime with our little ones. I'll try to snap some tonight and get them posted tomorrow.

dooooo it. lol this thread is in some serious need of pictures :)

dooooo it. lol this thread is in some serious need of pictures :)

agreed!!! :D Thanks Need4spdnb!!

Btw what you you say the difference is between the Sig W5 and Esprit. I was initially looking to get the W5 but I think budget wise it's currently way out of my league.

agreed!!! :D Thanks Need4spdnb!!

Btw what you you say the difference is between the Sig W5 and Esprit. I was initially looking to get the W5 but I think budget wise it's currently way out of my league.

you can only do what your budget allows, but everything in the Signature lineup is a big step up. The W5 would blow the Esprit out of the water :D, but its also around $9000 for the front three....

you can only do what your budget allows, but everything in the Signature lineup is a big step up. The W5 would blow the Esprit out of the water :D, but its also around $9000 for the front three....


true true. reality of life isn't it? hmmmmm that big of a jump eh.... man. can't wait for the pics :D

you can only do what your budget allows, but everything in the Signature lineup is a big step up. The W5 would blow the Esprit out of the water :D, but its also around $9000 for the front three....the msrp for the esprit and W5's seems to have been lowered:
FMV for the W5-LCR $6897USD
FMV for the esprit-LCR $3297USD

the msrp for the esprit and W5's seems to have been lowered:
FMV for the W5-LCR $6897USD
FMV for the esprit-LCR $3297USD

haha your right my bad i was looking at our price sheet from early 2008 :o:D

haha your right my bad i was looking at our price sheet from early 2008 :o:Dit must have been a hard sell the studio Esprit the same price as the studio 100's and the Sigs W5 the same price as the Sig S8. all they had to do was ask me, i would have told them:D

I have a pair of Studio 100 v3's as fronts and have a couple options for a center channel...a CC-590 v4 floor model or a C3 v1 used. The C3 is a tad cheaper...I know Paradigm matches within lines making the 590 the matching center, but would it be that notable of a difference going with the Sig center?

Anyone here mixing a Sig center with Studio mains can share their experience?

I have a pair of Studio 100 v3's as fronts and have a couple options for a center channel...a CC-590 v4 floor model or a C3 v1 used. The C3 is a tad cheaper...I know Paradigm matches within lines making the 590 the matching center, but would it be that notable of a difference going with the Sig center?

Anyone here mixing a Sig center with Studio mains can share their experience?

i heard of guy puting Sig tweeters in the studio floorstanders

i heard of guy puting Sig tweeters in the studio floorstanders

Really.. I know Paradigm direct sells Be tweeter for $300 each + shipping. I just wonder if the XO is different.

Really.. I know Paradigm direct sells Be tweeter for $300 each + shipping. I just wonder if the XO is different.

definately different

I have only seen MSRP in the past. Has the price actually changed or are they now putting out a FMV price?



the msrp for the esprit and W5's seems to have been lowered:
FMV for the W5-LCR $6897USD
FMV for the esprit-LCR $3297USD

I am actually trying to convince myself not to upgrade to a matched set across the front. I have never been fully satisfied with my v3 cc-570. I have an AT screen so a center floor stander is not a problem.


I have a pair of Studio 100 v3's as fronts and have a couple options for a center channel...a CC-590 v4 floor model or a C3 v1 used. The C3 is a tad cheaper...I know Paradigm matches within lines making the 590 the matching center, but would it be that notable of a difference going with the Sig center?

Anyone here mixing a Sig center with Studio mains can share their experience?

I have only seen MSRP in the past. Has the price actually changed or are they now putting out a FMV price?i got some msrp quotes over the phone a couple of days ago from a local dealer

Some new speaker porn.... Picked up my S8's today....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0327.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0328.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0329.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0330.jpg

Where's the "Me Likey" button...

Lookin' killer as always over there Patrick. Envious as usual over here...:)

J.

Some new speaker porn.... Picked up my S8's today....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0327.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0328.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0329.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0330.jpg

How or where did you get the Paradigm outriggers for your sub? Nice setup btw. Congrats on the speakers!

awesome Warp!!!

Alrighty, for those of you that asked, here they are. W5's in the wild.

Some new speaker porn.... Picked up my S8's today....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0327.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0328.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0329.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0330.jpgbetter than sex. im equally impressed with the sub. were did you get the sub feet?
have it dialed in yet?

Thanks Guys....

Actually, I have 2 of those 18" TC-Sounds LMS subs, the 3rd will be here by the end of the month... and a 15" TC3000 titanium driver... each sub is powered by 4000w pro amp... 16kw of sub amp power !!!! I just ordered the feet from my paradigm dealer... easy... Now that I have the drivers and all the sub testing is pretty much dialed in, I'll work on veneering & grills on the subs, then granite tops... Last of the work to do on my system.... I finally feel that it is complete... just incredible sound in here - So Happy :D

Some old pics of the room...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2536.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2537.jpg

Alrighty, for those of you that asked, here they are. W5's in the wild.

excellent!

Alrighty, for those of you that asked, here they are. W5's in the wild.


Yes, thanks for the pics... they certainly look fantastic - and are a consideration for my Sugar Mama for her new condo :)

Appreciate you posting these...

Alrighty, for those of you that asked, here they are. W5's in the wild.

nice do you have surrounds?

Just curious if you dont purchase the recommended center speaker for your system will it not sound good? I am looking into getting the Monitor 11 system and the center it recommends is the CC-390 but it wont fit in my stand just the CC-290 will fit perfectly where I want it. Thanks.

I have the Monitor 11's and use a 290 for my center. They sound very nice together...well balanced in my opinion.

nice do you have surrounds?

Yes sir, I used the ADP 3's as surrounds. Didn't take any pics, I can tomorrow. The V2 sigs are a big step up from the V1. I am glad I got these speakers as I am going to be with on walls for a long time with 2 kids under the age of 2.

The V2 sigs are a big step up from the V1. I am glad I got these speakers as I am going to be with on walls for a long time with 2 kids under the age of 2.

well you couldnt have asked for any better of on-walls :)

I recently returned my studio 10's for the 20's, just waitng for them to come in.This is a 2 channel system only.I'm using the Marantz pm 8003 intergrated amp at the moment.Will this be enough power?70 w x 2.Or should I return it while I still can?If so,what would you suggest?

I just got the v2 S6's about a month ago. Not that I will be changing anytime soon, but I'm curious if anyone has had a chance to compare the v3's to the v2's? Is there any significant difference? Can they get any better?

Some new speaker porn.... Picked up my S8's today....


Welcome to the club. You won't be dissapointed, and I think you'll be very pleased at the mid bass and bass performance of these beauties.

I just got the v2 S6's about a month ago. Not that I will be changing anytime soon, but I'm curious if anyone has had a chance to compare the v3's to the v2's? Is there any significant difference? Can they get any better?

The only difference is that the V3 can play 3 db louder. That isn't 3 db more efficiency, they can go an additional 3 db over what the V2 can. You can only take advantage of this if you double your amp power and listen at extreme volumes. There is no sonic difference. Is it worth it? Depends on how loud you listen and what you are using to power your speakers. If you are happy with your V2, I wouldn't sell em to get V3's.

Anyone have any experience with placement differences between Studio 100 v3 and Signature S8 v2? I am considering an upgrade from the 100's to a S8 v2 set and am concerned that the 18 inches I have behind my 100's might not be enough for the S8's

The only difference is that the V3 can play 3 db louder. That isn't 3 db more efficiency, they can go an additional 3 db over what the V2 can. You can only take advantage of this if you double your amp power and listen at extreme volumes. There is no sonic difference. Is it worth it? Depends on how loud you listen and what you are using to power your speakers. If you are happy with your V2, I wouldn't sell em to get V3's.

Thanks....my v2's are plenty loud.

Anyone have any experience with placement differences between Studio 100 v3 and Signature S8 v2? I am considering an upgrade from the 100's to a S8 v2 set and am concerned that the 18 inches I have behind my 100's might not be enough for the S8's

They do like a bit of room and they're pretty deep, but you should be fine.

In general you don't want the bass and mid-bass drivers the same distance from the side wall as the back wall. So if 18" is the furthest out you can go from the back of the speakers, you should try to make sure the front of the speakers aren't the identical distance from the side walls as the back walls.

The recommended distance apart is about 75% of the distance to the listening position and toed in so the lines intersect about a 1' to 1 1/2' behind the head. That's a great starting point and then you adjust to room and taste from there.

Welcome to the club. You won't be dissapointed, and I think you'll be very pleased at the mid bass and bass performance of these beauties.


thank you sir, can't believe I actually finally got them, so long I have want.... I have no need for better bass with all my bad @$$ subs, but the upgraded mid's and tweets are a welcome addition to what I was missing, as well as the gorgeous cabinets... Just WOW...

thank you sir, can't believe I actually finally got them, so long I have want.... I have no need for better bass with all my bad @$$ subs, but the upgraded mid's and tweets are a welcome addition to what I was missing, as well as the gorgeous cabinets... Just WOW...

so are you enjoying the upgrade and rocking out?:D

do you guys think the ICE amps in the Pioneer SC-27 would be enough to push the Studio 100s? or do i need an external amp? if so, is the Emotiva XPA-5 enough?

Here are the pics of my ADP 3's with and without grilles. BTW, that is a 60" Pioneer PDP6020 surrounded by my W5's, just so you guys get a feel for just how big the speakers are. That TV starts to look small with all the speakers near it.

thank you sir, can't believe I actually finally got them, so long I have want.... I have no need for better bass with all my bad @$$ subs, but the upgraded mid's and tweets are a welcome addition to what I was missing, as well as the gorgeous cabinets... Just WOW...

So what do you have your speakers XO at with all the subs in place.

Center
Fronts
Surr.
Subs.

I recently returned my studio 10's for the 20's, just waitng for them to come in.This is a 2 channel system only.I'm using the Marantz pm 8003 intergrated amp at the moment.Will this be enough power?70 w x 2.Or should I return it while I still can?If so,what would you suggest?

Are you restricted to an integrated amp, or are separates an option? Also, what kind of budget are you looking at?

So what do you have your speakers XO at with all the subs in place.



I'm sure I'm going to get lambasted for this, and I haven't got all the new speakers in place to make any changes just yet, but with all the studio's I have been crossing them all over at 100-110hz... Trust me when I tell you that the LMS's with 4000w behind each one of them is far more powerful and impactful at that hz range then a pair of towers.

When I get the rest of the speakers in place, I will re-run ARC on the D2v and measure everything with REW and see where things sit...

Are you restricted to an integrated amp, or are separates an option? Also, what kind of budget are you looking at?
Budget would no more than $1500.Today I listened to the nad 375bee 150 x 2, sounded pretty good.B&W 685 speakers were hooked up to it.I'm not against separates but don't think the budget allows for them.I get the feeling you don't think the Marantz is up to the task.I was reading the owners manual today and found out that the amp can be bypassed to use it as a pro if needed.The marantz was $800, so are there any amps that are descent for $700?I live in canada so shipping can sometimes be difficult.

Here are the pics of my ADP 3's with and without grilles. BTW, that is a 60" Pioneer PDP6020 surrounded by my W5's, just so you guys get a feel for just how big the speakers are. That TV starts to look small with all the speakers near it.

nice

Budget would no more than $1500.Today I listened to the nad 375bee 150 x 2, sounded pretty good.B&W 685 speakers were hooked up to it.I'm not against separates but don't think the budget allows for them.I get the feeling you don't think the Marantz is up to the task.I was reading the owners manual today and found out that the amp can be bypassed to use it as a pro if needed.The marantz was $800, so are there any amps that are descent for $700?I live in canada so shipping can sometimes be difficult.

The NAD amps are nice. I'm running a NAD975 with my Anthem 50v at home(Studio 40s on L/R, 690 center and 20s o surround), and have a C326BEE with a pair of Studio 10s in my office. The nice thing about the NADs, is they are conservatively rated, so you might get a bit more than the rated power out of 'em.

IMO, you'd get the best performance with good separates, but your budget is the determining factor here. Like you said, though, the Marantz will allow you to upgrade to a separate amp later, so that's a big bonus. The NAD can, too. I'd try to get your dealer to set up the 20s with some different integrated amps in your range, and see which wins.

The best I've ever heard a pair of 20s sound, was with a Sunfire stereo amp. But that was with a pair of V2 Studios, and the Sunfire is discontinued... *shrug* :D Personally, I'm a big fan of putting a bigger amp than needed in place.

Here are the pics of my ADP 3's with and without grilles. BTW, that is a 60" Pioneer PDP6020 surrounded by my W5's, just so you guys get a feel for just how big the speakers are. That TV starts to look small with all the speakers near it.

Man! Nice! I was going to ask you what the size of your pioneer was cos the W5s looked huge!!

I'm sure I'm going to get lambasted for this, and I haven't got all the new speakers in place to make any changes just yet, but with all the studio's I have been crossing them all over at 100-110hz... Trust me when I tell you that the LMS's with 4000w behind each one of them is far more powerful and impactful at that hz range then a pair of towers.

When I get the rest of the speakers in place, I will re-run ARC on the D2v and measure everything with REW and see where things sit...

that makes sense.. I know you have mult. subs in the house.. Only issues I could see is that directional sound comes in @ 60 Hz. But i totally understand your current setup. How much of a difference was there from the studio v4 center to the Signature v2 center? I am guessing you went with version v2 or did you go with v3 of the signature series?

Hey Chris, I get absolutely no localization from my subs, trust me if you were in this room, you would get what I'm saying. Impact and clarity is ridiculous.

I pieced the Sig setup together... I got really great deals off audiogon on .v2 center and .v2 S2's and new from my dealer .v3 S8's.

Warp, do you have any acoustic treatment in your room at the moment ?

Regards,

I do have some, but one could always have more... Its def a room that is in need of more, but how to do that tastefully I am still trying to figure out... alot of drywall and hardwood floors in there, I just added carpeting to a large area, but I didn't want to loose all the beautiful hardwood in there. Its obviously not a dedicated HT room, so I do what I can... The D2v with ARC has done wonders in the way of electonic room treatment - far better then things were before.

I should have all my new speakers integrated into the system this week and will run ARC again - but even now, things are sounding amazing in there, and will only get better in the coming weeks. :)

Hey Warp, and Need4, thanks for pics. You both have beautiful setups. Congrats and enjoy.

I can imagine things sound very good indeed, especially with those new S8 v3's. I still need the ADP dipole surrounds but I'm thinking to myself whether I should perhaps go monopole instead.

My previous surrounds were dipoles, the Jamo C80 surrounds. I've been told that the ADP's are much better in every respect. The set up is almost exclusively for movies, not too many music dvd's lying around. I see you decided to go the S2 route instead of using the Sig dipoles.

Is it just preference that you choose that configuration or are you changing things up with the new set up ?

Regards,

I have ADP's in my bedroom setup, a much smaller room and they work fine for music and movies, there was just no way I was putting bookshelves on the walls in there, I tried - but I couldn't stand the look - way to big in a smaller room. But in my huge room I can accomdate the direct firing and personally I prefer it over the ADP's in every way. The S2's and Studio 20's are front ported as well making them even easier to work into the mix.

I think it all comes down to room size and integration - if you can do direct firing that is the way to go...

Hey Chris, I get absolutely no localization from my subs, trust me if you were in this room, you would get what I'm saying. Impact and clarity is ridiculous.

I pieced the Sig setup together... I got really great deals off audiogon on .v2 center and .v2 S2's and new from my dealer .v3 S8's.

Having been in this man's home just yesterday, I want to say that "impact" in redefined when hearing this setup. The Chinese drumming was downright scary! :eek: There is a force that just hits you so hard it's almost unreal. Even at extreme volume levels, everything is just clear sounding. Amazing really. :)

The Sig S8's are also amazingly good speakers. I was shocked at just how clear they were at these volume levels. Amazing speakers and absolutely just gorgeous to look at. They fit the room perfectly.

I was part of a GTG with Warp and a couple others yesterday listening to bookshelf speakers. While there was nothing all that great there, when the Sig S2's got their turn, it was obvious the jump up in sound they can produce. The tweeter is very, VERY good. The sound was really impressive from them. It really goes to show that speakers are where most of your money should go. It's a lesson many people could benefit from.

Patrick: I know you've been pining after those Sig S8's for a long time. I'm really happy for you. They are nothing short of absolutely impressive! :D

Hahahhah Terry you should have seen the look on your face - it was priceless, I wish I could have recorded it. It was a pleasure for you to finally get to come over - though as short lived as it was, I hopefully foresee you coming over for a much longer stint when things are all setup properly !!

I have much better music for showing off the subs, and to think I have a 3rd LMS on the way, I think it will be way over the top and likely unnecessary, I just can't help myself... But the system is so incredibly effortless - at extreme volumes still so nice and clean - I finally feel like I have gotten to where I have always envisioned my system to be. :)

Thanks for the praise...

Hahahhah Terry you should have seen the look on your face - it was priceless, I wish I could have recorded it. It was a pleasure for you to finally get to come over - though as short lived as it was, I hopefully foresee you coming over for a much longer stint when things are all setup properly !!

I have much better music for showing off the subs, and to think I have a 3rd LMS on the way, I think it will be way over the top and likely unnecessary, I just can't help myself... But the system is so incredibly effortless - at extreme volumes still so nice and clean - I finally feel like I have gotten to where I have always envisioned my system to be. :)

Thanks for the praise...

I can imagine the look I had. It was probably pretty funny. I didn't see you change the volume while you switching tracks, so the volume was unexpected to say the least. When that first drum strike hit, I was actually scared for a second! :eek::D

I am very much looking forward to an invite when you get all of your new gear dialed in. Let me know, I'll be there. I'd also like my wife to see your beautiful home. I love to have her understand what "loud" really is so she stops asking me: "does that have to be that loud?" This way I can remind her of what things are like at your house. :D:D I also think she'd let me get that 65" plasma after seeing yours as well. ;) So do me a favor and get things wrapped up and invite me over! :)

do you guys think the ICE amps in the Pioneer SC-27 would be enough to push the Studio 100s? or do i need an external amp? if so, is the Emotiva XPA-5 enough?

They most likely will be enough, unless your room is huge. The simple thing to do is try it first and see if there is a need to get external amps.

I finally feel like I have gotten to where I have always envisioned my system to be. :)


Same here, except I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my C3 v.1 to C5 v.2 or v.3 as the final piece of the puzzle.
I used to think the v.1's tweeters couldn't be improved on, or that I wouldn't appreciate the difference with the berilliums, but they are a bit better, a bit more separation and sense of ease. Since I listen to a lot of multi-channel music where the CC plays a large role, I think it could be a worthwhile upgrade.

Same here, except I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my C3 v.1 to C5 v.2 or v.3 as the final piece of the puzzle.
I used to think the v.1's tweeters couldn't be improved on, or that I wouldn't appreciate the difference with the berilliums, but they are a bit better, a bit more separation and sense of ease. Since I listen to a lot of multi-channel music where the CC plays a large role, I think it could be a worthwhile upgrade.

It would be a pretty big upgrade IMO. DO IT!!! :D
You just can't beat a seamless sound across the front!

Same here, except I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my C3 v.1 to C5 v.2 or v.3 as the final piece of the puzzle.
I used to think the v.1's tweeters couldn't be improved on, or that I wouldn't appreciate the difference with the berilliums, but they are a bit better, a bit more separation and sense of ease. Since I listen to a lot of multi-channel music where the CC plays a large role, I think it could be a worthwhile upgrade.

I agree with BigRed...

To me the C3 .v1 is a great center, but the new Be tweeter and Co-Pal Mids completely change the name of the game for me for dispersion and that airy ribbon like quality in the high end...

I have heard the Salks with ribbon tweeters, and they are so sweet - the new sigs have that same quality on the high end but give much better presence all around the room rather then the semi beeming nature of a ribbon tweet...

I agree with BigRed...

To me the C3 .v1 is a great center, but the new Be tweeter and Co-Pal Mids completely change the name of the game for me for dispersion and that airy ribbon like quality in the high end...



Great way to put it! The Beryllium tweeter does remind me of some ribbons. I used to own some Aurum Cantus monitors that used a 3" ribbon. They were so freaking smoothe. The Sigs have the same incredibly smoothe, EFFORTLESS sound.

Not surprising, off-axis performance has always been a Paradigm trait.
I think my wallet is going to hate you guys....

I think my wallet is going to hate you guys....
HA! that i dont disagree with:D

Alrighty, for those of you that asked, here they are. W5's in the wild.

You have some similarity with my components! How do you like the Simaudio with the Sigs?

Same here, except I'm seriously thinking of upgrading my C3 v.1 to C5 v.2 or v.3 as the final piece of the puzzle.
I used to think the v.1's tweeters couldn't be improved on, or that I wouldn't appreciate the difference with the berilliums, but they are a bit better, a bit more separation and sense of ease. Since I listen to a lot of multi-channel music where the CC plays a large role, I think it could be a worthwhile upgrade.

I'm also looking to upgrade to a C5 v2 from my C3 v2. Paradigm no longer have any, but hopefully I can find one somewhere.

I'm also looking to upgrade to a C5 v2 from my C3 v2. Paradigm no longer have any, but hopefully I can find one somewhere.

Do you not like your C3 v2 or are you just itching to upgrade?

I'm also looking to upgrade to a C5 v2 from my C3 v2. Paradigm no longer have any, but hopefully I can find one somewhere.

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1260680637&/Paradigm-signature-C5v2-piano-

I bought the Cherry one from there, contact Bad_Girl, she has been a reputable seller there for a while...

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1260680637&/Paradigm-signature-C5v2-piano-

I bought the Cherry one from there, contact Bad_Girl, she has been a reputable seller there for a while...

Thanks....sent her an e-mail. I will have to find out if she will ship to Canada.

Do you not like your C3 v2 or are you just itching to upgrade?

Probably just another itch. Paradigm recommends the C5 with the S6's, although I'm not sure if it matters. If I thought it wouldn't make a huge improvement, I probably wouldn't bother. I do really like the C3.

Ahhh I keep forgetting your in Canadia !!! hheheheh sorry buddy...

Ahhh I keep forgetting your in Canadia !!! hheheheh sorry buddy...

lol....We build great audio gear and get the US to buy it! Nothing to be sorry about. :)

yeah, but now here you are in a position where you guys built this and shipped it to the US and now you have to pay to have it shipped back... hehheheh Hey Canadians - we got your $hit right here.... :) heheheh just kidding

yeah, but now here you are in a position where you guys built this and shipped it to the US and now you have to pay to have it shipped back... hehheheh Hey Canadians - we got your $hit right here.... :) heheheh just kidding

touche! :)

Canuckaudiomart might be your best bet for new or used C3s , its like a smaller audiogon for Canadians haha

Can someone help me with two questions ?First is there any benefit to running a seperate amp to power front speakers? Someone told me iam not getting full potential from front speakers.Second i currently use ps3 for bluray but is there any benefit from using stand alone player?

my gear
panny 58pz800
ps3
marantz 8002 reciever
marantz sacd
harmony 890
furman power center
paradigm millenia 30 left right center
paradigm millenia adp surrounds x4
paradigm sub 12

I would like some advice please. I am getting ready to purchase surrounds to complete my Monitor 5.1 system. The problem is my room layout. I was thinking about getting ADP-390's, but there is no way to mount them on my side walls. One of my walls has a computer hutch area. My sofa is also up against the wall next to the entry door.

Would it be a bad idea to hang the surrounds behind my couch on the wall? This would be where you normally place the rear speakers. Or would I be better off just purchasing direct-firing Mini Monitors with stands, and place them on the sides of my couch? I am thinking about going with Dolby recommendation for 5.1 (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/setup/speaker-setup-guide/index.html) direct firing.

My odd living space:
http://images.forrent.com/imgs/fr/propertyFiles/084/012/1/FP_11646703580716183.jpg

Can someone help me with two questions ?First is there any benefit to running a seperate amp to power front speakers? Someone told me iam not getting full potential from front speakers.Second i currently use ps3 for bluray but is there any benefit from using stand alone player?

my gear
panny 58pz800
ps3
marantz 8002 reciever
marantz sacd
harmony 890
furman power center
paradigm millenia 30 left right center
paradigm millenia adp surrounds x4
paradigm sub 12

you have a very nice setup I would not change a thing. the only thing to top the ps3 as a bluray player is the oppo 83. an external amp will help to some degree. but i have a feeling your system sounds awsome. if it aint broke dont fix it:D

Some new speaker porn.... Picked up my S8's today....

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0327.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0328.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0329.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/Parardigm%20Signature/IMG_0330.jpg
Hey Warpdrv, what center is that and if it is really wide like the C5, what stand is it sitting on? Looks nice!

Hey Warpdrv, what center is that and if it is really wide like the C5, what stand is it sitting on? Looks nice!


That is not the C5 in that pic... its the Studio CC-690 .v4

The C5 is not in the pic yet, its in my basement waiting for the replacement driver, hope to get them this week. Bad luck from audiogon, but the seller is taking care of it.. just playin the waiting game.

Stand is the Radius series from Standout designs, I built the riser for the Plasma...

Anyone using simaudio amps with Paradigm Sigs? I have S8v2 and am thinking about I-7 or W-5. Any input would be appreciated.

Bluemark is.... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=7663525

Anyone using simaudio amps with Paradigm Sigs? I have S8v2 and am thinking about I-7 or W-5. Any input would be appreciated.

I am using a W5 to power my S6's and a Titan to power my C3 and S2 surrounds. Love the combination. Very smooth with great dynamics and bass control. I have tried a few amps and I have had nothing I like as much as the Simaudios with the Sigs. Of course, there is personal taste in my preference for the Sims sound as well. Good luck. Feel free to pm me if you wish.

That is not the C5 in that pic... its the Studio CC-690 .v4

The C5 is not in the pic yet, its in my basement waiting for the replacement driver, hope to get them this week. Bad luck from audiogon, but the seller is taking care of it.. just playin the waiting game.

Stand is the Radius series from Standout designs, I built the riser for the Plasma...

Be interested in hearing what you find are there differences between CC-690 and C5? Did you order the replacement driver from Paradigm direct?

I don't know if it's because I've reached the magic break in period or what, but over the last couple of days these S8 v.3's have gone from great to exceptional. Goosebumps stuff!
I honestly didn't think the upgrade would be this significant but there isn't an area from top to bottom that is the least bit wanting. The top end is simply magnificent.
Very few things have made me go wow lately, but... wow.

Be interested in hearing what you find are there differences between CC-690 and C5? Did you order the replacement driver from Paradigm direct?

I'm sure itll be a more controlled center and add that extra clarity and dispersion - its unelievable how great the Sigs have the ability to just fill the room so evenly...
Yes replacement driver will be coming from a dealer...


rnr... thats awesome... I am really loving the top end of the S8's... I probably could have gotten away with the S6's with all my woofage but I can't say I'm dissapointed in the least - they are extremely smooth.