I don't know if it's because I've reached the magic break in period or what, but over the last couple of days these S8 v.3's have gone from great to exceptional. Goosebumps stuff!
I honestly didn't think the upgrade would be this significant but there isn't an area from top to bottom that is the least bit wanting. The top end is simply magnificent.
Very few things have made me go wow lately, but... wow.
How long did you have your S8s before the change?
Because I got my S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 last week.
Thanks,

That is not the C5 in that pic... its the Studio CC-690 .v4

The C5 is not in the pic yet, its in my basement waiting for the replacement driver, hope to get them this week. Bad luck from audiogon, but the seller is taking care of it.. just playin the waiting game.

Stand is the Radius series from Standout designs, I built the riser for the Plasma...
Wow, good work! I wouldn't have guessed...pity the stand doesn't come like that, it'd be ideal for those of us with wide center channels. I don't know what I'm going to do about furniture to hold the center. I guess I'll have to mount the plasma to the wall and let it hover above a stand having the center on it.

I don't know if it's because I've reached the magic break in period or what, but over the last couple of days these S8 v.3's have gone from great to exceptional. Goosebumps stuff!
I honestly didn't think the upgrade would be this significant but there isn't an area from top to bottom that is the least bit wanting. The top end is simply magnificent.
Very few things have made me go wow lately, but... wow.

Congrats! I certainly love my S6's. What are you upgrading from?

How long did you have your S8s before the change?
Because I got my S8 v3, C5 v3 and ADP3 v3 last week.
Thanks,

Maybe about a month, but they didn't get as much use as I would normally have in that amount of time.. maybe 150 hours?

Congrats! I certainly love my S6's. What are you upgrading from?

S4 v.1's, and the difference is surprising as I said earlier. I loved my S4's and really the only reason I wanted to upgrade was the nagging feeling that I should have gotten S8's in the first place. In a way I'm glad I didn't, since I ended up with v.3's when it was all said and done.

S4 v.1's, and the difference is surprising as I said earlier. I loved my S4's and really the only reason I wanted to upgrade was the nagging feeling that I should have gotten S8's in the first place. In a way I'm glad I didn't, since I ended up with v.3's when it was all said and done.

When I first bought the v2's, I had a pair of v1's home at the same time as they were selling them at clearout prices. I thought if there wasn't much difference between the v1's and v2's, I would buy the v1's and save a bunch of cash. The improvent was so drastic, I had to go with the v2's.

I was going to go with the S8 v2's, but I thought they would be far too big for our room. The s6's are just perfect and absolutely no regrets. They are a fabulous speaker.

I would like some advice please. I am getting ready to purchase surrounds to complete my Monitor 5.1 system. The problem is my room layout. I was thinking about getting ADP-390's, but there is no way to mount them on my side walls. One of my walls has a computer hutch area. My sofa is also up against the wall next to the entry door.

Would it be a bad idea to hang the surrounds behind my couch on the wall? This would be where you normally place the rear speakers. Or would I be better off just purchasing direct-firing Mini Monitors with stands, and place them on the sides of my couch? I am thinking about going with Dolby recommendation for 5.1 (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/setup/speaker-setup-guide/index.html) direct firing.

My odd living space:
http://images.forrent.com/imgs/fr/propertyFiles/084/012/1/FP_11646703580716183.jpg

What are you using your system for mostly? Movies/Music? If mostly music and/or video games, the direct speakers will be better. Those sources work better with regular speakers. If movies, go for the ADP speakers. If 50/50, then I don't know what to tell you.

You have some similarity with my components! How do you like the Simaudio with the Sigs?

Love the Titan with my W5's. I had a set of Revel Performa's a while back and liked the amp with them. I like the W5+Titan amp much better, the top end is amazingly smooth. I also am trying out a different processor at the moment which adds a different flavor to the mix.

When I first bought the v2's, I had a pair of v1's home at the same time as they were selling them at clearout prices. I thought if there wasn't much difference between the v1's and v2's, I would buy the v1's and save a bunch of cash. The improvent was so drastic, I had to go with the v2's.

I was going to go with the S8 v2's, but I thought they would be far too big for our room. The s6's are just perfect and absolutely no regrets. They are a fabulous speaker.

Yeah the S8's are quite big, but gorgeous.
It's ironic because when I went from Studios to the Sig v.1's I thought the tweeter was the biggest improvement there too.

According to a thread on blu-ray.com, Paradigm is in talks with Best Buy. This is only going to bring the value down on their speakers.

I wouldn't mind so much, if they had bigger showrooms where the speakers were set up properly. But the way it is now, the Magnolia rooms are tiny, with speakers along all four walls. They need a large room to place the speakers along one wall. It is terrible trying to audtion speakers in their tiny Magnolia rooms. Especially when you close the doors, and can still hear the booming car stereo department. Is Paradigm serious in ruining their repetition by aligning themselves with Best Buy?

According to a thread on blu-ray.com, Paradigm is in talks with Best Buy. This is only going to bring the value down on their speakers.

Value or price?

If they do not change their quality any, but sell a much higher volume, the price should drop.

It will also allow me to buy them without having to drive 100 miles to do it, something I am unwilling to do.

According to a thread on blu-ray.com, Paradigm is in talks with Best Buy. This is only going to bring the value down on their speakers.

I wouldn't mind so much, if they had bigger showrooms where the speakers were set up properly. But the way it is now, the Magnolia rooms are tiny, with speakers along all four walls. They need a large room to place the speakers along one wall. It is terrible trying to audtion speakers in their tiny Magnolia rooms. Especially when you close the doors, and can still hear the booming car stereo department. Is Paradigm serious in ruining their repetition by aligning themselves with Best Buy?if 6 ave has not brought down the value, i dont think best buy will.

I highly doubt they will sell the ref series ie. the studios or the sigs, anything else is of no concern to them and their business stature IMO...

if 6 ave has not brought down the value, i dont think best buy will.

YES they have if you live near them!

I easily got 25% off (before I swore them off forever) and have local buyers bickering with me over the price of my used gear because they claim 6th ave gives 40% off if they argue enough.

Maybe about a month, but they didn't get as much use as I would normally have in that amount of time.. maybe 150 hours?
Thanks.
I am waiting for that magic moment too.

According to a thread on blu-ray.com, Paradigm is in talks with Best Buy. This is only going to bring the value down on their speakers.

I wouldn't mind so much, if they had bigger showrooms where the speakers were set up properly. But the way it is now, the Magnolia rooms are tiny, with speakers along all four walls. They need a large room to place the speakers along one wall. It is terrible trying to audtion speakers in their tiny Magnolia rooms. Especially when you close the doors, and can still hear the booming car stereo department. Is Paradigm serious in ruining their repetition by aligning themselves with Best Buy?

I would like to take a moment to shine some light on this recent issue regarding Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater.

Recent threads on AVSFourms have mentioned Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater in discussions regarding new distribution. I can ensure you that this is not the case. Paradigm products will not be available in BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater, nor have we a desire to do so.

Regards,
Zoltan Balla
Paradigm Product Manager

Whoa !~!~!

Big brother is always watching....


Thanks for the clarification Zoltan....

I would like to take a moment to shine some light on this recent issue regarding Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater.

Recent threads on AVSFourms have mentioned Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater in discussions regarding new distribution. I can ensure you that this is not the case. Paradigm products will not be available in BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater, nor have we a desire to do so.

Regards,
Zoltan Balla
Paradigm Product Manager

Have you been here all this time?:)

I would like to take a moment to shine some light on this recent issue regarding Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater.

Recent threads on AVSFourms have mentioned Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater in discussions regarding new distribution. I can ensure you that this is not the case. Paradigm products will not be available in BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater, nor have we a desire to do so.

Regards,
Zoltan Balla
Paradigm Product Manager

That's really good to hear as far as I'm concerned

That's really good to hear as far as I'm concerned

Thank you for clearing that up.

Whoa !~!~!

Big brother is always watching....


Thanks for the clarification Zoltan....

Yeah, he graced us with post #1!

All kidding aside it's nice that he took the time to clarify.

Now, Mr. Balla, can I get a deal on a cherry C5? ;):p

Paradigm has always kept their eye on the forums and threads, but unlike other companies they feel they don't want to have a forum rep stationed here... Thats too bad.

I certainly would like to see that...

Paradigm has always kept their eye on the forums and threads, but unlike other companies they feel they don't want to have a forum rep stationed here... Thats too bad.

I certainly would like to see that...

they have one for anthem.

I would like to take a moment to shine some light on this recent issue regarding Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater.

Recent threads on AVSFourms have mentioned Paradigm Electronics Inc. and BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater in discussions regarding new distribution. I can ensure you that this is not the case. Paradigm products will not be available in BestBuy/Magnolia Home Theater, nor have we a desire to do so.

Regards,
Zoltan Balla
Paradigm Product Manager

I will sleep a lot better tonight! :D
The Paradigm Dealers I have contact with seem to be a huge step above BB.

they have one for anthem.

I assume you mean Bob and according to him he does not work for Anthem. I think Nick from Anthem has posted once or twice in that thread but it is rare.

Given the track record of how reps are treated on this forum, I would not have on here either.

Monitor, sure, to do what he just did, smash rumors or such.


That said, I would have liked to have easy access to Paradigm speakers. The economy played havoc with dealers in my area and I am now Paradigm dealerless...unless I want to drive a LONG distance, which I do not.

I would rather take my chances with an Internet grey market purchase. Paradigm's quality is very good, after all.

I would like some advice please. I am getting ready to purchase surrounds to complete my Monitor 5.1 system. The problem is my room layout. I was thinking about getting ADP-390's, but there is no way to mount them on my side walls. One of my walls has a computer hutch area. My sofa is also up against the wall next to the entry door.

Would it be a bad idea to hang the surrounds behind my couch on the wall? This would be where you normally place the rear speakers. Or would I be better off just purchasing direct-firing Mini Monitors with stands, and place them on the sides of my couch? I am thinking about going with Dolby recommendation for 5.1 (http://www.dolby.com/consumer/setup/speaker-setup-guide/index.html) direct firing.

My odd living space:
http://images.forrent.com/imgs/fr/propertyFiles/084/012/1/FP_11646703580716183.jpg



Hey I have a similar situation as you. The sales people I worked with recommended I use the Monitor Atoms for my rear surrounds (because the way my walls were I couldnt mount both rear channels on the same wall) until I can upgrade later. May be worth a consideration.

That said, I would have liked to have easy access to Paradigm speakers. The economy played havoc with dealers in my area and I am now Paradigm dealerless...unless I want to drive a LONG distance, which I do not.

I would rather take my chances with an Internet grey market purchase. Paradigm's quality is very good, after all.+ 1000 today i could not find a dealer in the dallas fort worth area that had a d2v, Sub 15, Sub 12 or Sub 25 to listen to. one dealer wanted to take me to a customers house to listen to the sub 25.

^lol to the customers house...but,

This is often the case, you just listed 12,000 dollars worth of inventory (plus they need +1 in each model just in case you decide you like one, so $24,000). Most dealers prefer to just custom order it straight, then to have it in stock for god knows how long, and have nightmares about not selling them.

This is bad for the consumer but it lets a dealer sleep easier at night. Although never met a dealer with AT LEAST 1 of those models mentioned above on the floor.

Maybe just wasn't your lucky day.

Curious, have been looking for some used S2's on audiogon/canuck audio mart, but have come across some Studio 20 v4's that I might try out in the mean time. What were the improvements from v4 to v5 and were they "noticeable"? I thought I had read an article about the new v5 being "night and day better" than the V4 (whatever exactly that would mean!), but maybe it was the v4 over the v3?

^lol to the customers house...but,

This is often the case, you just listed 12,000 dollars worth of inventory (plus they need +1 in each model just in case you decide you like one, so $24,000). Most dealers prefer to just custom order it straight, then to have it in stock for god knows how long, and have nightmares about not selling them.

This is bad for the consumer but it lets a dealer sleep easier at night. Although never met a dealer with AT LEAST 1 of those models mentioned above on the floor.

Maybe just wasn't your lucky day.

Depending on the set up, listening at a customers house can be a lot better than listening in a dealer showroom.

^lol to the customers house...but,

This is often the case, you just listed 12,000 dollars worth of inventory (plus they need +1 in each model just in case you decide you like one, so $24,000). Most dealers prefer to just custom order it straight, then to have it in stock for god knows how long, and have nightmares about not selling them.

This is bad for the consumer but it lets a dealer sleep easier at night. Although never met a dealer with AT LEAST 1 of those models mentioned above on the floor.

Maybe just wasn't your lucky day.i dont buy that, paradigm is midrange in price. their inventory was well over a million. they had a speaker that looked like a robot.

i dont buy that, paradigm is midrange in price. their inventory was well over a million. they had a speaker that looked like a robot.

regardless not every store is going to carry every model, it just doesnt make any sense. They probably have another speaker line that they prefer that is within the same price point. It doesnt shock me in the least bit that there is no dealers in your area that don't carry sigs, its just a business decision.

regardless not every store is going to carry every model, it just doesnt make any sense. They probably have another speaker line that they prefer that is within the same price point. It doesnt shock me in the least bit that there is no dealers in your area that don't carry sigs, its just a business decision. so what should they carry?

so what should they carry?

...whatever they like. Its not that hard to figure out lol. At my store we are a paradigm dealer, but dont carry Sigs. Why? Because the 800 series B&W's are by far more popular in our area.

...whatever they like. Its not that hard to figure out lol. At my store we are a paradigm dealer, but dont carry Sigs. Why? Because the 800 series B&W's are by far more popular in our area.whatever they like, then they should not be listed as a reference dealer. they should carry some sigs, studio and millenias. this is the part i donot like about paradigm at least in the dallas area.

I recently purchased my Studio 100's and 60's here in Dallas at Audio Concepts and they only had the 60's to demo and I just had to "imagine" what the 100's would sound like (though I was obviously not disappointed). I agree they should not carry everything, but Audio Concepts took care of me - if you are in the Dallas area, get a hold of John Warwick, he was great to work with and no pressure sales guy.

whatever they like, then they should not be listed as a reference dealer. they should carry some sigs, studio and millenias. this is the part i donot like about paradigm at least in the dallas area.

Just because they dont carry it on hand does not mean they should not be a dealer, lol thats ridiculous and unreasonable. Most stores are in fact a dealer of many things they dont carry on hand. If none of those stores in the Dallas area were allowed to get Signature speakers then you would be SOL if you wanted to buy them. They are just available if you want them, which sucks if you want to hear them but to say they should not be a dealer for it is a strange statement. Its not like Paradigm is at fault here, and its not as if this only happens with paradigm speakers. Several speaker manufacturers are the same way within a store.

EDIT: I do undestand your frustration though. When you want to hear something and just cannot, its a bummer. I live in Middle of missouri and the nearest dealer who actually stocks them is 2 hours away.

Just because they dont carry it on hand does not mean they should not be a dealer, lol thats ridiculous and unreasonable. Most stores are in fact a dealer of many things they dont carry on hand. If none of those stores in the Dallas area were allowed to get Signature speakers then you would be SOL if you wanted to buy them. They are just available if you want them, which sucks if you want to hear them but to say they should not be a dealer for it is a strange statement. Its not like Paradigm is at fault here, and its not as if this only happens with paradigm speakers. Several speaker manufacturers are the same way within a store.ridiculous and unreasonable whatever but at the end of the day im the customer, and you know what they say the customer is always right. i was not just talking about the Signature series. strange statement not even close i just dont like running all over town wasting my time. this is not going to stop me from buying anthem or paradigm, i will just buy in new york/new jersey

ridiculous and unreasonable whatever but at the end of the day im the customer, and you know what they say the customer is always right. i was not just talking about the Signature series. strange statement not even close i just dont like running all over town wasting my time. this is not going to stop me from buying anthem or paradigm, i will just buy in new york/new jersey

ahhh ok your one of "those" guys ;)


my apologies you are correct then and should be accomodated. :p

I have a pair of v4 Studio 40's on the way and need to pick up a matching centre channel speaker.

From the v4 CC's I thought an appropriate match would be the 590. Right now I can't locate a v4 590, just the 690. While getting the 590 would be easier to swallow price-wise, I can accept paying more for a 690 if it's not "too much" of a speaker to go with the 40's.

Any thoughts on which would be a better match for the 40's and whether I should just be patient for a 590 to become available? (In the used market I've just been checking canuckaudiomart since I'm in Canada, audiogon and e-bay).

thanks

ridiculous and unreasonable whatever but at the end of the day im the customer, and you know what they say the customer is always right. i was not just talking about the Signature series. strange statement not even close i just dont like running all over town wasting my time. this is not going to stop me from buying anthem or paradigm, i will just buy in new york/new jersey

Bigred is right, it would be difficult for a dealer to carry everything from every line that paradigm has. We have a select few speakers from each line (the best sellers). Most dealers do have other brands that they need to support so having everything on display just isn't possible, plus the floor space needed to accomodate that would be gigantic as well. It is unfortunate that your local dealer doesn't have the sigs on display, they are unbelievable speakers for the price.

i think this question has been asked already but are the Studio 100s in line with the Sig S2s? or are the S2s leaps and bounds beyond the 100s? i have heard S2s before but no 100s.

i am getting the 100s for $1,723.85/speaker and i am in Barbados. is that comparable to you guys in the US?

I have a pair of v4 Studio 40's on the way and need to pick up a matching centre channel speaker.

From the v4 CC's I thought an appropriate match would be the 590. Right now I can't locate a v4 590, just the 690. While getting the 590 would be easier to swallow price-wise, I can accept paying more for a 690 if it's not "too much" of a speaker to go with the 40's.

Any thoughts on which would be a better match for the 40's and whether I should just be patient for a 590 to become available? (In the used market I've just been checking canuckaudiomart since I'm in Canada, audiogon and e-bay).

thanks

Either CC will work. I have v4 40s as well and I was lucky enough to pick up the last 590 my dealer had back in April.

i think this question has been asked already but are the Studio 100s in line with the Sig S2s? or are the S2s leaps and bounds beyond the 100s? i have heard S2s before but no 100s.

i am getting the 100s for $1,723.85/speaker and i am in Barbados. is that comparable to you guys in the US?

I think in US the price should be much cheaper than $1,500/speaker... Personally eyeing for Studio 100, cc690 and ADP590 too but they are not cheap....

i think this question has been asked already but are the Studio 100s in line with the Sig S2s? or are the S2s leaps and bounds beyond the 100s? i have heard S2s before but no 100s.

i am getting the 100s for $1,723.85/speaker and i am in Barbados. is that comparable to you guys in the US?are u related to any Holder's down there?

Bigred is right, it would be difficult for a dealer to carry everything from every line that paradigm has. We have a select few speakers from each line (the best sellers). Most dealers do have other brands that they need to support so having everything on display just isn't possible, plus the floor space needed to accomodate that would be gigantic as well. It is unfortunate that your local dealer doesn't have the sigs on display, they are unbelievable speakers for the price.the one thig dealers in the dfw area have is floor space. sometime in dec im going to visit 6ave mabey then i can get my sub 15 vs. sub 25 comparison.

the one thig dealers in the dfw area have is floor space. sometime in dec im going to visit 6ave mabey then i can get my sub 15 vs. sub 25 comparison.

That sucks...

If I ever want a comparison...I just get in my car... drive 30 min ... and arrive at their manufacturing plant... But most are not so lucky :D

Anyone using this combo? If so what is your impression?

I am getting a pair of ADP-390's for side surrounds, and need to place them on stands. Paradigm has several compatible stands, (S-26, S-30, J29). The 26" would place them at ear level to the couch. The 26" stand is only 2" higher than my couch arm rests. I know usually you want surrounds mounted above listening level. What is the recommended height when using stands?

I am getting a pair of ADP-390's for side surrounds, and need to place them on stands. Paradigm has several compatible stands, (S-26, S-30, J29). The 26" would place them at ear level to the couch. The 26" stand is only 2" higher than my couch arm rests. I know usually you want surrounds mounted above listening level. What is the recommended height when using stands?

I think I remember reading somewhere that Paradigm recommends having the tweeter at ear height. I have been checking out the Studio 20's, so it may have been for that specific model.

I am getting a pair of ADP-390's for side surrounds, and need to place them on stands. Paradigm has several compatible stands, (S-26, S-30, J29). The 26" would place them at ear level to the couch. The 26" stand is only 2" higher than my couch arm rests. I know usually you want surrounds mounted above listening level. What is the recommended height when using stands?

I recently purchased some Studio 20's (before my wife rejected them and the stands -long story, short story is they didn't go with her decorating). Now I run Studio 60's as the rears and Studio 100's up front because she wanted nothing but towers.

Personally I think these stands are great:
http://www.racksandstands.com/StudioTech-SP-36-B-SO0011.html

36" pipe stands which places the rear speakers at the desired height, especially like in my case where we have a large overstuffed couch with a high back.

only hearing good things about the Studio 100s cant wait to get mine.

only hearing good things about the Studio 100s cant wait to get mine.
I promise you will be one happy camper, I was sold on the Studio 60's, I thought they were the best things ever, then I got their big brothers. Yeah the Studio 100's are awesome. Not to discount the 60's, they hold their own and are some fine speakers, but the 100's will impress.

do you find that the SC-27 pushes the 100s enough or do you think an ext amp would be needed?

Can anyone suggest speaker mounts for side walls? I just purchased L/R front studio esprits and I can't mount them next to my tv because my ent.unit fills the whole space so I have to mount the speakers on the side wall. I have a mount that works for my millenia's but the esprits weigh alot more. I am selling the mellenia's they are a sweat speaker but my room is just to big for them.

Chester

Just curious, has anyone seen or heard the SE paradigms speakers yet? Are they available ?

Looking for some opinions. My room is 12.5x17x9, family room (with 2 doorway openings, one to teh kitchen the other to the hallway), lots of hardwood (with an area rug), and couch, etc.

Currently running a PB13 Ultra as the sub (nearfield placement at the back of the room due to space), with Mirage OM9 towers and Mirage OMC2 center channel (and Mirage OMR-2 x 4 surrounds/rears for 7.1). Powered via a Sunfire 7x200 watt amp and an Onkyo 876.

I was considering buying Sierra 1's and getting rid of my front 3 Mirages, mounting them to the wall and then moving my sub up to the front wall as well.

Now I'm leaning towards S2's with a C3 center channel (all version 2), obviously more expensive, but what the heck. Going to keep the OMR-2s for now.

1. Has anyone heard the Mirage OM series speakers and compared to the S2s? Wondering if they would be an improvement over my current setup
2. I typically listen at -10 to -15db versus reference, but do occasionally push it up to -5 or even reference during movies. Will the S2's start to compress or distort at those levels in that size of a room?
3. I know with the Sierra's, Dave recommended using the port plugs if I have them mounted using a wall mount. Would I need port plugs with the S2's, and/or will they simply be too overbearing from a Bass perspective to put them on the walls? The whole point is to move my sub up front and downsize from towers.

Probably need to make a decision quickly, so any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

Steve

Oh, one other question. Does the warranty on speakers purchased in the US carry over to Canada?

do you find that the SC-27 pushes the 100s enough or do you think an ext amp would be needed?

The ICE amps in that Pioneer Elite SC-27 are beasts - they handle the Paradigm Studio 100's without issue. I am unsure as to the maximum range of volume the SC-27 goes to in terms of +xx.xdb showing for volume on the receiver itself when turnin it up or down, but I promise you on most sound settings, pushing just the Studio 100's in 2 Channel stereo, I cannot get it past +5.0db or +.10.0db on the volume level of the SC-27. It starts out around -80.0db, you actually start hearing music around -70.0, I normally listen around -20 to -30.00. Anything past +1.0db is just too loud within a 15.5 x 17.2 room to listen to within any length of time, however that room basically has a 1/2 wall (kitchen opening with bar), two openings in the back for walkways into the room, so essentially I am filling a much larger area than just the 15.5x17.5 initial room size.

NOTE: For what it is worth, I also have the Studio 100's bi-amped giving slightly more juice to them using the spare rear channel amps and removing the post bridges on the speakers.

So in short - yes, the SC-27 is a beast that will do those Studio 100's v.5 justice. I hope that helps.

That sucks...

If I ever want a comparison...I just get in my car... drive 30 min ... and arrive at their manufacturing plant... But most are not so lucky :D

If you ever find yourself there again, can you take a listen to the SA-15R-SM (http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/inwallcustom-sa-sa15rsm-model-6-14-2-34.paradigm)


The SM in the codename stands for "StereoMono" - meaning that this new speaker can be utilized in both stereo and mono applications. Mono as in "normal" conditions, when a multiple of 2 speakers is used for Left and Right sound-separation.

Now comes the tricky part: The new Paradigm SA-15R-SM can act as a stereo sound-source by itself! The center of the speaker houses a very special type of HF driver, made of two separate units, oriented differently so the sound would spread accordingly.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Stereo-From-One-Speaker-Paradigm-Say-YES-51520.shtml


I wonder how well it works.

Just curious, has anyone seen or heard the SE paradigms speakers yet? Are they available ?
I received my 2-S8 v3 cherry, C5 v3 piano black and 2-ADP3 v3 piano black about 2 weeks ago. I think they are still in the break in period but they sound very luxurious and refined. Last night I was sitting very close to the FL speaker and I noticed, I was almost enjoying the sound as good as the sweet spot. The off-axis ability of these speakers are amazing as well. By the way I got the whole system for about $9300 out the door (including taxes). Is that a good deal?

I received my 2-S8 v3 cherry, C5 v3 piano black and 2-ADP3 v3 piano black about 2 weeks ago. I think they are still in the break in period but they sound very luxurious and refined. Last night I was sitting very close to the FL speaker and I noticed, I was almost enjoying the sound as good as the sweet spot. The off-axis ability of these speakers are amazing as well.

PICS!!!!!


By the way I got the whole system for about $9300 out the door (including taxes). Is that a good deal?

lol why ask a question you already know the answer to? Thats almost $5k off

Hey All,
Just wanted to take a moment to let you all know how much I love my Paradigms:D I have posted several times on this thread and wanted to thank everybody for there feedback. I live in a 1 bedroom in NYC, with a listening room about 17ft by14 ft. I have Studio 20s v.5 fronts, CC490 center, HSU sub, and Studio 10s for surrounds. I am using a Onkyo 705 for AVR. I just got the 10s to replace my definitive's. I just want to add that I also replaced the speaker cable from old Monster copper cable to Blue Jean 10 gauge Beldon cable. Wow what a difference. After I replaced the rear cable The whole system sounds 100x better:eek: The speakers all work so seamlessly now! I know people always argue that the speaker wire has nothing to do with the sound quality, but in this case it definitely does;)

Nevermind, just bought the the S2v2 and C3v2 in gloss black and shipping to my parents in FL.

Now I have to wait a month to hear them (when my parents get back). But on the plus side it gives me 30 days to figure out a good explanation for my wife as to why we're now on our 3rd set of speakers in 7 years. :eek:

Looking forward to joining the Paradigm Owners Club. Signatures no less!!! :D

Hey All,
Just wanted to take a moment to let you all know how much I love my Paradigms:D

Congrat's on the digm's. may they bring many years of happiness and audio bliss

Looking forward to joining the Paradigm Owners Club. Signatures no less!!! :D

Sweet - yeah, I love my Studio's, but those Sig's are going to kick some booty. I am already trying to formulate my reasoning for upgrading to Sig's, but I got a couple years before that happens, still enjoying my new Studio's. My wife doesn't understand spending $100 on a speaker much less $2k+ - but wow, congrat's on the Sig's! Sucks having to wait...........it will totally be worth it though.

Great speakers!

I ended up with a pair of 9seMII's years ago and they are fantastic. I currently use a CC390 as a CC. Powered by one of Pioneers low end AV's amps/tuner. As I slowly get back into listening to music I plan on upgrading to the Reference Series. I find Paradigm tough to beat with such value and performance.

Can anyone suggest speaker mounts for side walls? I just purchased L/R front studio esprits and I can't mount them next to my tv because my ent.unit fills the whole space so I have to mount the speakers on the side wall. I have a mount that works for my millenia's but the esprits weigh alot more. I am selling the mellenia's they are a sweat speaker but my room is just to big for them.

Chester

Mounting Front L/R speakers on the side walls seems like a terrible option to me.

Congrat's on the digm's. may they bring many years of happiness and audio bliss



Sweet - yeah, I love my Studio's, but those Sig's are going to kick some booty. I am already trying to formulate my reasoning for upgrading to Sig's, but I got a couple years before that happens, still enjoying my new Studio's. My wife doesn't understand spending $100 on a speaker much less $2k+ - but wow, congrat's on the Sig's! Sucks having to wait...........it will totally be worth it though.



I hope so. I still have some anxiety about going from the Mirage OM9 towers to small bookshelves though. Hopefully it will pass!!!

Hello Speakers Guru,

I am totally new to this home entertainment setup and my room is 14' x 24' with hardwood floor, sliding door on right, two windows in the front and my future TV will be on top of the gas fireplace.

My budget roughly: $5000 max for speakers
purchased Onkyo NR3007 this week for $1245 from newegg.com
55" Samshung LED LCD TV ?????? for room 14 x 24 size
Planning to buy power conditioner = Panamax
Planning to purchase = LG BD390 ??????

Any suggestions on speakers and other choices guys?

Thanks

Hello Speakers Guru,

I am totally new to this home entertainment setup and my room is 14' x 24' with hardwood floor, sliding door on right, two windows in the front and my future TV will be on top of the gas fireplace.

My budget roughly: $5000 max for speakers
purchased Onkyo NR3007 this week for $1245 from newegg.com
55" Samshung LED LCD TV ?????? for room 14 x 24 size
Planning to buy power conditioner = Panamax
Planning to purchase = LG BD390 ??????

Any suggestions on speakers and other choices guys?

Thanks

onkyo 3007 good choice
as for th BD player http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/
$5k is a great budget for Studio speakers
Studio 100's left and right
Studio cc690 center
Studio adp590 side surrounds
Studio 10 rear surrounds

onkyo 3007 good choice
as for th BD player http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/
$5k is a great budget for Studio speakers
Studio 100's left and right
Studio cc690 center
Studio adp590 side surrounds
Studio 10 rear surrounds


Thanks osofast240sx,

Blu-ray-bdp-83 is difference compare to LG BD-390 unit and it is cheaper. The other problem is that I need speakers that can do three things such as: movies, music, and vocal for singing karaoke.

Does any body have any suggestions for speakers with these three things that fall under my budget as well as TV recommendation?

Thanks again guys,

onkyo 3007 good choice
as for th BD player http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-bdp-83/
$5k is a great budget for Studio speakers
Studio 100's left and right
Studio cc690 center
Studio adp590 side surrounds
Studio 10 rear surrounds

+1 this would be a very nice system :cool:

TThe other problem is that I need speakers that can do three things such as: movies, music, and vocal for singing karaoke.


lol this reminds me of this one customer i had who bought studio 100's. He had a party and used his studio 100's for karaoke....the next day he had 2 blown tweeters and three dead woofers...

he said someone got a little to excited singing a U2 song...

The ICE amps in that Pioneer Elite SC-27 are beasts - they handle the Paradigm Studio 100's without issue. I am unsure as to the maximum range of volume the SC-27 goes to in terms of +xx.xdb showing for volume on the receiver itself when turnin it up or down, but I promise you on most sound settings, pushing just the Studio 100's in 2 Channel stereo, I cannot get it past +5.0db or +.10.0db on the volume level of the SC-27. It starts out around -80.0db, you actually start hearing music around -70.0, I normally listen around -20 to -30.00. Anything past +1.0db is just too loud within a 15.5 x 17.2 room to listen to within any length of time, however that room basically has a 1/2 wall (kitchen opening with bar), two openings in the back for walkways into the room, so essentially I am filling a much larger area than just the 15.5x17.5 initial room size.

NOTE: For what it is worth, I also have the Studio 100's bi-amped giving slightly more juice to them using the spare rear channel amps and removing the post bridges on the speakers.

So in short - yes, the SC-27 is a beast that will do those Studio 100's v.5 justice. I hope that helps.

as usual you have been nothing but a major help.thanks again sir.

Hey all, I've recently developed a nasty case of upgraditous, and have been considering the Studio 60 v5 for 2 channel music with an Adcom 5300(80 watts/channel) and an Anthem TLP1.

I might be able to get a used pair of Signature 6 v2, and I'm wondering if they have the newer tweeter with 3 drivers. If I understand the line correctly, v2 was replaced with v3 a year ago or so, so they shouldn't be more than 4 years old.

Any thoughts on bass performance? (my current bookshelf 2 ways are pretty limited)

I might be able to get a used pair of Signature 6 v2, and I'm wondering if they have the newer tweeter with 3 drivers. If I understand the line correctly, v2 was replaced with v3 a year ago or so, so they shouldn't be more than 4 years old.


I think you might be a bit confused. The v3's just got released a couple weeks back. The v2 sigs were released in like late '06 early '07 i believe. The v2 and v3 both have the same Be tweeters and drivers. The v3's are pretty much the same as the v2's except for a few minor details.

The biggest change was from v1 to v2.

[QUOTE=cybrsage;17515574]If you ever find yourself there again, can you take a listen to the SA-15R-SM (http://www.paradigm.com/en/reference/inwallcustom-sa-sa15rsm-model-6-14-2-34.paradigm)

Going there this Friday, so ill look around and let you know.

Triger716
Have you ever gone to a movie theater with front speakers mounted on side walls. Many theaters have done this, but that is not the reason why I'm doing it my entertainment center takes up the entire front space. So I mounted my millenia's on the side walls with brackets that tilt many different degrees and moved sideways with the same adjustments. My system sounded great but I now have 4 sa35's surround speakers and just purchased a L/R studio Esprit because my room is pretty big. That's why I need new speaker mounts the Esprits weigh more than the Millenia's.

Chester

I think you might be a bit confused. The v3's just got released a couple weeks back. The v2 sigs were released in like late '06 early '07 i believe. The v2 and v3 both have the same Be tweeters and drivers. The v3's are pretty much the same as the v2's except for a few minor details.

The biggest change was from v1 to v2.

Thanks for the pointer, apparently I was confused! I've been tracking the Studios and the Sigs would have been out of my league. I suspect that the studio 100 would have lower bass than the Sig 6 or studio 60, I guess the only thing for me to do is go to a dealer and have an extended listen.

i find the sig a huge upgrade from studio. Music sound much smoother and sweeter.
However, the price is a big problem for me :)

i find the sig a huge upgrade from studio. Music sound much smoother and sweeter.
However, the price is a big problem for me :)

Well there's price and then there's value, there's not much that can compete with the S8's in their price range. The Sigs not only give a performance upgrade over the Studios, but they are like fine furniture in their finish.

So those of you trying to talk the wife into it, tell her it's like the difference between buying a dining room table from Ikea or from Thomasville... then they'll get it! ;)

Well there's price and then there's value, there's not much that can compete with the S8's in their price range. The Sigs not only give a performance upgrade over the Studios, but they are like fine furniture in their finish.

So those of you trying to talk the wife into it, tell her it's like the difference between buying a dining room table from Ikea or from Thomasville... then they'll get it! ;)

Excellent analogy for the woman - and oh so true... but the proof is def in the pudding - the SQ of the Sigs for me is far more important since I bought my Studio's only 2.5 years ago - and I am finally more then thrilled to have what I have always wanted on those lines... I can say, I am glad I bought Studio's first and it has been a long journey, hearing, appreciating and learning the nature of better or even different or be that may poorer quality speakers...

I really hate to say to people - if you truly have a passion for very good quality audio - and have an attuned ear for really good quality recordings..... Audition, audition audition - and buy out of your price range and get the best you can !!! I wish I would have sprung for the Sigs right from the get go... but then again, the Be tweeters weren't around just yet...

Now that they are, the .v2 and .v3 Sigs that is, in the mean time before I finally was able to get my Sigs, I have listened to many different brands and iterations of design aspects. There has been over this long time frame a transformation of what I thought were competent sounding speakers and ones that truly were... I guess what I am getting at with all this senseless dribble, is that there are two ways of going about it, getting what you can afford for a quick fix, or - Audition, Audition, Audition - going the whole nine yards and finding that ONE that fills the void, no matter what the cost...

It doesn't have to be a race, it can be a journey....

Hello Speakers Guru,

I am totally new to this home entertainment setup and my room is 14' x 24' with hardwood floor, sliding door on right, two windows in the front and my future TV will be on top of the gas fireplace.

My budget roughly: $5000 max for speakers
purchased Onkyo NR3007 this week for $1245 from newegg.com
55" Samshung LED LCD TV ?????? for room 14 x 24 size
Planning to buy power conditioner = Panamax
Planning to purchase = LG BD390 ??????

Any suggestions on speakers and other choices guys?

Thanks

Since your name is "Basiclearner", I'll "learn" you something... DO NOT MOUNT YOUR TV OVER THE FIREPLACE. I know you probably think it'll look cool, but you will pay dearly for it. Not to mention, the picture will be very washed out with that Samsung.

You're better off kiddy cornering it with a full motion wall mount. You could use a pair of in-ceilings for your surrounds.

Excellent analogy for the woman - and oh so true... but the proof is def in the pudding - the SQ of the Sigs for me is far more important since I bought my Studio's only 2.5 years ago - and I am finally more then thrilled to have what I have always wanted on those lines... I can say, I am glad I bought Studio's first and it has been a long journey, hearing, appreciating and learning the nature of better or even different or be that may poorer quality speakers...

I really hate to say to people - if you truly have a passion for very good quality audio - and have an attuned ear for really good quality recordings..... Audition, audition audition - and buy out of your price range and get the best you can !!! I wish I would have sprung for the Sigs right from the get go... but then again, the Be tweeters weren't around just yet...

Now that they are, the .v2 and .v3 Sigs that is, in the mean time before I finally was able to get my Sigs, I have listened to many different brands and iterations of design aspects. There has been over this long time frame a transformation of what I thought were competent sounding speakers and ones that truly were... I guess what I am getting at with all this senseless dribble, is that there are two ways of going about it, getting what you can afford for a quick fix, or - Audition, Audition, Audition - going the whole nine yards and finding that ONE that fills the void, no matter what the cost...

It doesn't have to be a race, it can be a journey....

This is what I'm hoping I'll find with my S2v2's over my Mirage OM9's, I do enjoy the sound of the OM9's, but something seems off to me in a way that is hard to explain. Was going to go with the Ascend Sierra 1's, but I knew I'd then wonder "how much better would the S2's really be".

Maybe in a few years I'll upgrade the S2's to the S6's or 8's, but right now I'm keen on seeing what these bookshelves can do with my PB13.

My receiver (Onkyo 806) allows to set crossover for fronts and center starting from 40Hz and for LFE starting from 80Hz. I currently have fronts at 60Hz (Studio 60 v5), center at 60Hz (CC-590) and LFE at 80Hz (Sub 12). This is my first more or less serious audio setup so I consider myself a newbie and still experimenting with settings.

My question is -- Is it perfectly normal to have different crossover frequencies or they all have to be the same?

Thanks!

This is what I'm hoping I'll find with my S2v2's over my Mirage OM9's, I do enjoy the sound of the OM9's, but something seems off to me in a way that is hard to explain. Was going to go with the Ascend Sierra 1's, but I knew I'd then wonder "how much better would the S2's really be".

Maybe in a few years I'll upgrade the S2's to the S6's or 8's, but right now I'm keen on seeing what these bookshelves can do with my PB13.

We just had a comparison with a few bookshelf speakers with the Sierra's, Studio 20, and Sig S2. The Sierra's are very very good speakers, easily a good match with the Studio's but the S2's outclassed both those speakers hands down... Here is the thread, and there is a couple more writeups below that.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17458921#post17458921

Planning to buy power conditioner = Panamax

Might want to reconsider the Panamax. The warranty and guarantee might not exist in a few months.
http://hometheaterreview.com/parent-company-of-sunfire-panamax-speakercraft-to-file-for-chapter-11-bankruptcy/

Excellent analogy for the woman - and oh so true... but the proof is def in the pudding - the SQ of the Sigs for me is far more important since I bought my Studio's only 2.5 years ago - and I am finally more then thrilled to have what I have always wanted on those lines... I can say, I am glad I bought Studio's first and it has been a long journey, hearing, appreciating and learning the nature of better or even different or be that may poorer quality speakers...

I really hate to say to people - if you truly have a passion for very good quality audio - and have an attuned ear for really good quality recordings..... Audition, audition audition - and buy out of your price range and get the best you can !!! I wish I would have sprung for the Sigs right from the get go... but then again, the Be tweeters weren't around just yet...

Now that they are, the .v2 and .v3 Sigs that is, in the mean time before I finally was able to get my Sigs, I have listened to many different brands and iterations of design aspects. There has been over this long time frame a transformation of what I thought were competent sounding speakers and ones that truly were... I guess what I am getting at with all this senseless dribble, is that there are two ways of going about it, getting what you can afford for a quick fix, or - Audition, Audition, Audition - going the whole nine yards and finding that ONE that fills the void, no matter what the cost...

It doesn't have to be a race, it can be a journey....

Thanks for the advice, I heard back from the seller and his Sig. 6v2 are a little over a year old and he runs them with a 85/ch watt Sansui amp. I was originally budgeting $2000 and I'd be going waaaay over which would put me in the waf doghouse(since I just spent $900 on a pre amp and was heard commenting how good the old speakers now sound!)

My receiver (Onkyo 806) allows to set crossover for fronts and center starting from 40Hz and for LFE starting from 80Hz. I currently have fronts at 60Hz (Studio 60 v5), center at 60Hz (CC-590) and LFE at 80Hz (Sub 12). This is my first more or less serious audio setup so I consider myself a newbie and still experimenting with settings.

My question is -- Is it perfectly normal to have different crossover frequencies or they all have to be the same?

Thanks!

In general it's perfectly normal. Did you use the Audyssey to set up your system or did you just do it manually?
The LFE channel setting is the upper limit of the LFE range, if your subs' frequency response extends up to or beyond 120hz then you should have it set there or you'll loose any LFE bass between 80-120hz.

We just had a comparison with a few bookshelf speakers with the Sierra's, Studio 20, and Sig S2. The Sierra's are very very good speakers, easily a good match with the Studio's but the S2's outclassed both those speakers hands down... Here is the thread, and there is a couple more writeups below that.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17458921#post17458921

Yes, that was one of the main reasons I ended up going with the S2's. Of course, if they don't sound nice I'll blame you and Nuance .... :p

In general it's perfectly normal. Did you use the Audyssey to set up your system or did you just do it manually?
The LFE channel setting is the upper limit of the LFE range, if your subs' frequency response extends up to or beyond 120hz then you should have it set there or you'll loose any LFE bass between 80-120hz.
Yes, I did run Audyssey, but manual says Audyssey does not set crossover frequencies. Those need to be adjusted manually, if desired.

I set Sub to "Bypass" so it can work with whatever receiver settings are. I believe receiver setting for LFE goes up to 120Hz. Are you saying that I need to set it to 120Hz?

Thanks!

Triger716
Have you ever gone to a movie theater with front speakers mounted on side walls. Many theaters have done this, but that is not the reason why I'm doing it my entertainment center takes up the entire front space. So I mounted my millenia's on the side walls with brackets that tilt many different degrees and moved sideways with the same adjustments. My system sounded great but I now have 4 sa35's surround speakers and just purchased a L/R studio Esprit because my room is pretty big. That's why I need new speaker mounts the Esprits weigh more than the Millenia's.

Chester

No, I have never gone to a movie theater with the front speakers on the sides. Every theater I have ever gone to have the front speakers behind the screen with multiple pairs of surround speakers on the side walls.

I just don't see how having front speakers on the sides pointing toward each other would ever sound good even if you did angle them slightly, but I have been proved wrong before. I'm sure somebody can point to some mounts for the Esprits.

Music Lovers Audio Video. I have had good experience with them.

Great, thanks. I'll have to head up to the city.

Yes, I did run Audyssey, but manual says Audyssey does not set crossover frequencies. Those need to be adjusted manually, if desired.

I set Sub to "Bypass" so it can work with whatever receiver settings are. I believe receiver setting for LFE goes up to 120Hz. Are you saying that I need to set it to 120Hz?

Thanks!

The manual is correct, and that's the first time I've heard of it reported properly in a manual.

Most people think Audyssey sets the crossovers when in fact it's the receiver manufacturer that decides what low frequency extension of the speaker determines large or small. Most will use the THX standard of 80hz but some go as low as 40hz.

So in short you did it right. I like to use a crossover at least 10hz over the +/- 3db low frequency range of the speaker, but good results can be had using the THX 80hz standard for all speakers too, it's a matter of taste and what sounds good in your room.

To determine where to set LFE channel upper extension check the specs for your sub - if its' stated +/- 3db is like 20hz to 200hz then by all means set it to 120hz so you don't miss any potential LFE info on that channel. But if it's say 20hz to 100hz, then 100hz would be the best bet.

The manual is correct, and that's the first time I've heard of it reported properly in a manual.

Most people think Audyssey sets the crossovers when in fact it's the receiver manufacturer that decides what low frequency extension of the speaker determines large or small. Most will use the THX standard of 80hz but some go as low as 40hz.

So in short you did it right. I like to use a crossover at least 10hz over the +/- 3db low frequency range of the speaker, but good results can be had using the THX 80hz standard for all speakers too, it's a matter of taste and what sounds good in your room.

To determine where to set LFE channel upper extension check the specs for your sub - if its' stated +/- 3db is like 20hz to 200hz then by all means set it to 120hz so you don't miss any potential LFE info on that channel. But if it's say 20hz to 100hz, then 100hz would be the best bet.

where would I find what a Maelstrom-X and a 19Ov.2 is listed as for uppper XO? Sure missing where they have it listed on there websites.

where would I find what a Maelstrom-X and a 19Ov.2 is listed as for uppper XO? Sure missing where they have it listed on there websites.


Most transducers of this type will play far above what you will ever want to be choosing for a crossover in your system....

I was running 3 Maelstroms in my room and was crossing the system over at 120hz. I had fantastic bass and upper bass response with that setup.

If you are only going to be running a single driver or even a pair of subs - I would hesitate to ever XO over that high, because you will start to experience localization and be able to pinpointing exactly where your bass is coming from which you don't want. But I promise you they will play far higher then that.

Most transducers of this type will play far above what you will ever want to be choosing for a crossover in your system....

I was running 3 Maelstroms in my room and was crossing the system over at 120hz. I had fantastic bass and upper bass response with that setup.

If you are only going to be running a single driver or even a pair of subs - I would hesitate to ever XO over that high, because you will start to experience localization and be able to pinpointing exactly where your bass is coming from which you don't want. But I promise you they will play far higher then that.

It's not the crossovers we're talking about, it's setting the LFE channels' upper limit. (I think that channel is discrete, so if you set it lower than 120, the info below that isn't sent to other speakers.)

Most transducers of this type will play far above what you will ever want to be choosing for a crossover in your system....

I was running 3 Maelstroms in my room and was crossing the system over at 120hz. I had fantastic bass and upper bass response with that setup.

If you are only going to be running a single driver or even a pair of subs - I would hesitate to ever XO over that high, because you will start to experience localization and be able to pinpointing exactly where your bass is coming from which you don't want. But I promise you they will play far higher then that.

so if you have the XO set at 120 Hz then and your normal speakers @ 80Hz doesn't that cause an overlap in the 80-120 frequency range?

The other question I have is running a EP2500 with the Maelstrom and what is the best setup for this. I am figuring bridging @ 4 ohms for Maelstrom.

It's not the crossovers we're talking about, it's setting the LFE channels' upper limit. (I think that channel is discrete, so if you set it lower than 120, the info below that isn't sent to other speakers.)

yeap I am setting the LFE channels max frequency response.

Tiger716
They are not pointing at each other they point at the listening area with full motion. Kind of like your ears without full motion agh duh.

chester

so if you have the XO set at 120 Hz then and your normal speakers @ 80Hz doesn't that cause an overlap in the 80-120 frequency range?

The other question I have is running a EP2500 with the Maelstrom and what is the best setup for this. I am figuring bridging @ 4 ohms for Maelstrom.

When you set your crossover, it will be setting in place where your mains stop and your sub start, so if you set your xo at 120hz, your subs will handle everything up to that point and mains above. Or if you set 80hz xo, same thing, I am unaware of any unit that will allow an overlapping of sub and mains...

Furthermore, you should be testing by running sweeps in your room (REW software (http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/)) to determine what crossover you should be setting at, so as to eliminate getting major peaks and nulls, which is placement dependent and room dependent. What you are looking for is a nice smooth response from top to bottom with no peaks or nulls. (see pic) Every room is different and will effect the way the sound waves behave, so asking someone what it should be set at is impossible to determine, they are not in your room. Your room should be determining the crossover, and to find that out you should be testing the room with the appropriate equipment.

This is the type of graph you get when running sweeps, and if you have bad room interaction you can have severe dips and peaks, and that is the type of thing you need to determine when setting xo's to see which shows the best response when testing different xo's...

http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/attachments/rew-forum/376d1153448976-first-non-eqed-room-response-raw-response.jpg

Here is an older article, but still good reading regarding the LFE channel and bass management. http://www.ultimateavmag.com/howto/805bass/
Another
http://audiodesignlabs.com/wordpress/2008/07/confusion-lfe-subwoofer-bass-management/#more-21


What is the .1 / LFE Channel and why does it exist?
The .1 or LFE is a channel which is exclusively used for frequencies below 120Hz (below 80Hz for DTS). It is therefore a bandwidth limited channel, but it is not the same as the subwoofer, which is the speaker that typically reproduces the LFE channel in a home audio or studio monitoring system (more information is provided below). The purpose of this channel is to provide an additional 10dB of electrical headroom, for low frequencies, above the main channels. This is done by calibrating the acoustic playback level, so that it has 10dB of in-band gain above the other channels (fronts and surrounds).
And yes - bridge the ep2500 for 4ohms out to the Mal-X, just make sure you research the dip switches on the back of the amp as they are labeled incorrectly, search for that info its around.

When you set your crossover, it will be setting in place where your mains stop and your sub start, so if you set your xo at 120hz, your subs will handle everything up to that point and mains above. Or if you set 80hz xo, same thing, I am unaware of any unit that will allow an overlapping of sub and mains...

Here is an older article, but still good reading regarding the LFE channel and bass management. http://www.ultimateavmag.com/howto/805bass/
Another
http://audiodesignlabs.com/wordpress/2008/07/confusion-lfe-subwoofer-bass-management/#more-21



And yes - bridge the ep2500 for 4ohms out to the Mal-X, just make sure you research the dip switches on the back of the amp as they are labeled incorrectly, search for that info its around.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=120873&d=1222646612

ahh.. the dip switches.. I haven't played with them yet. Googled them and see what you are talking about.

As for the receiver, Onkyo 807, I can setup the speaker Freq Response separately from LFE response. So I could run LFE up to 120 Hz and run the speakers full response. What I have been doing is setting all the speakers at 80Hz then putting the sub in below 80 Hz. For HT I run the subs up to 120 Hz and leave the speakers at 80 Hz. I know this isn't right just like the overlap for actions sequences.

So you are running your subs only up to 80Hz and having your speakers XO at 80?

I have measured 80hz in my room and it didn't look as good in the sweeps as higher up for me... but that is my room not yours...
I am xo at 110hz right now, and I get major impact with my subs, but I can't set them independently as far as I know.. I wouldn't run separate xo's, set your mains and do the same with your sub...

Go re-read my post again, I have been editting it a bit...

I would think with three Mal-X in one room you would be blowing the room away.. guessing don't come close to using all the power the could provide.

Thanks, I did reread your other posting and I getting closer to getting my setup then I will be doing some adjustments to my setup and using REW to see what is going on in the room.

Actually the Mal-Xs were not enough for my room and I have been switching over to all 18" LMS's + a 15" TC3k, 4000w each.... :D My room is much larger then the norm at 8200^3 open to everywhere, so getting enough bass for me has been a journey.

If your room measures good at all XO's area's then you can set it for what ever you want, the Mal-X's have very good upperbass capabilities and will be much better then your mains even at 120hz, but you can start to get into localization issues having just 1 sub.... Thats where multiples comes into play and why I have gone the route I have...

so if you have the XO set at 120 Hz then and your normal speakers @ 80Hz doesn't that cause an overlap in the 80-120 frequency range?


No, because the LFE channel is discrete to begin with. Unless you select the LFE/Main setting that most AVR's have, no LFE info goes to any other speakers.
The only reason that setting is there is to limit the upper end of the frequency range for that channel, the top is 120hz because that's the limit of info it's going to get (as Warpdrv's quote above states). If your sub couldn't reproduce over 100hz cleanly, you'd set it at 100hz - it's not a complicated thing.
Your sub/s will still get the below crossover info from all your other speakers and that's where the "blending" comes into play.

I guess I haven't run into that type of setup like the onkyo's which allow you to choose the LFE max... I would just set it at 120 and be done with it...

It may be that for some equipment it is chosen for you, when you play material like DTS material (don't quote me on this) , I believe it is automatically designated at 80hz, but the newer more current codecs allow the full LFE range to be utilized up to the point of 120 max.

I would not want to limit it by setting it lower unless ones equipment(speakers/sub) just isn't up to par for reproducing those 10db spikes at that range... YMMV

No, because the LFE channel is discrete to begin with. Unless you select the LFE/Main setting that most AVR's have, no LFE info goes to any other speakers.
The only reason that setting is there is to limit the upper end of the frequency range for that channel, the top is 120hz because that's the limit of info it's going to get (as Warpdrv's quote above states). If your sub couldn't reproduce over 100hz cleanly, you'd set it at 100hz - it's not a complicated thing.
Your sub/s will still get the below crossover info from all your other speakers and that's where the "blending" comes into play.

so what happens say you run your 7.1 in stereo than how is this treated? At that point would you still ahve a discrete LFE channel?

I think I am understanding what you are saying.. If I am listening to 7.1 bluray (which there aren't many of but for sake of the argument last Rambo comes to mind), then you run 7.1 surround. The 7 channels will get there signal and the LFE will get it's own signal and to work with. So independently the front speakers could get someone in the 80 Hz range and the LFE could get something different 90 range. Is this a correct assumption?

I guess I haven't run into that type of setup like the onkyo's which allow you to choose the LFE max... I would just set it at 120 and be done with it...

It may be that for some equipment it is chosen for you, when you play material like DTS material (don't quote me on this) , I believe it is automatically designated at 80hz, but the newer more current codecs allow the full LFE range to be utilized up to the point of 120 max.

I would not want to limit it by setting it lower unless ones equipment(speakers/sub) just isn't up to par for reproducing those 10db spikes at that range... YMMV

I am going to need to dig out the Onkyo book and see. I did audio Audyssey from the Onkyo last night just because I have been playing with my setup and wanted to go back to a given baseline. So I run it well doing just 3 (could do up to 7) different spots in my HT setup because of time issues. When it got gone (again the calculations screen takes at least 5 mins. after doing all the points of reference) it had all the speakers at Full Range (which I never run, I always adjust) and LFE channel at 120 Hz. Which on the surface to me would seem wrong. I left out that adjusts the sub which is close to the sofa putting down 12.5 dbs. Anyways it going to take some more investigation on my part.

Actually the Mal-Xs were not enough for my room and I have been switching over to all 18" LMS's + a 15" TC3k, 4000w each.... :D My room is much larger then the norm at 8200^3 open to everywhere, so getting enough bass for me has been a journey.

If your room measures good at all XO's area's then you can set it for what ever you want, the Mal-X's have very good upperbass capabilities and will be much better then your mains even at 120hz, but you can start to get into localization issues having just 1 sub.... Thats where multiples comes into play and why I have gone the route I have...

As for the subs I have a Tempest-x/oaudio plate amp (2nd Gen) with the front speakers and last week I picked up EP2500 & 19Ov.2 (2 ohm version) from MKtheater (basically one from this HomeTheater picture). So I currently running Tempest-x & 190v.2 with half the EP2500. Which seems to be enough bass. Seems.. Again need the tests you mentioned above. I think I like more for HT but for music this amount is good.

Then I picked up a Mal-X used from Parts Express Forum this week. So not quite sure how I am going to run this setup. Figure I replace the Tempest-X with Mal-X and run it off half the EP2500, until I get another EP2500.

Good guess on the area I have is 5000^3 which is bigger then my old setup, smaller then yours, and why I am making changes. Basically most of the downstairs is open and when I did run only one sub I had peaks and valleys of bass response in different areas off the main listening area. Now that I have a second sub these seem to have gotten away mostly.

so what happens say you run your 7.1 in stereo than how is this treated? At that point would you still ahve a discrete LFE channel?

I think I am understanding what you are saying.. If I am listening to 7.1 bluray (which there aren't many of but for sake of the argument last Rambo comes to mind), then you run 7.1 surround. The 7 channels will get there signal and the LFE will get it's own signal and to work with. So independently the front speakers could get someone in the 80 Hz range and the LFE could get something different 90 range. Is this a correct assumption?

That question is a bit puzzling, but how it works is the LFE is the .1 channel, it's on all material recorded with that channel, i.e. 5.1 & 7.1 but not in 2.0 (stereo). The .1 channel only has signals from 0hz to 120hz nothing else.
The sub is the only speaker to get the LFE channel signal, and it also gets the bass signals from below whatever speakers you crossover. (You can, as I said earlier, select to send the LFE signal to your mains if you're not using a sub or want extra bass.)

When you run stereo with a sub, there is no LFE signal and the sub just gets the signals below what you have your L/R speakers crossed over at.

I am going to need to dig out the Onkyo book and see. I did audio Audyssey from the Onkyo last night just because I have been playing with my setup and wanted to go back to a given baseline. So I run it well doing just 3 (could do up to 7) different spots in my HT setup because of time issues. When it got gone (again the calculations screen takes at least 5 mins. after doing all the points of reference) it had all the speakers at Full Range (which I never run, I always adjust) and LFE channel at 120 Hz. Which on the surface to me would seem wrong. I left out that adjusts the sub which is close to the sofa putting down 12.5 dbs. Anyways it going to take some more investigation on my part.

Here's an excellent Audyssey "how to" that you should read. Following these tried & true methods will enable you to get the best out of using Audyssey and it's worth the effort IMO;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895#post14456895






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That question is a bit puzzling, but how it works is the LFE is the .1 channel, it's on all material recorded with that channel, i.e. 5.1 & 7.1 but not in 2.0 (stereo). The .1 channel only has signals from 0hz to 120hz nothing else.
The sub is the only speaker to get the LFE channel signal, and it also gets the bass signals from below whatever speakers you crossover. (You can, as I said earlier, select to send the LFE signal to your mains if you're not using a sub or want extra bass.)

When you run stereo with a sub, there is no LFE signal and the sub just gets the signals below what you have your L/R speakers crossed over at.

So maybe the LFE setting on the amp is just for 5.1/7.1 content. If there is this 5.1/7.1 content going to the LFE channel I can control the range which I can have set to 120 Hz. The difference comes in when listening to stereo and there not being LFE content then XO @ 80 would come into play I set for the normal speakers.

I guess the question is how 5.1/7.1 content is treated in the normal speakers, when you set the XO on the LFE channel to 120 Hz compared to 80. Does the XO change in the normal speakers when you do this. Would the XO in the normal speakers be 120 Hz because LFE is XO @ 120 Hz or would be an overlap. Or does it just go by the XO set in the normal speakers and there isn't any additional processing for 5.1/7.1.

Anyone using this combo? If so what is your impression?

When I got my W5's, we hooked them up to my co workers McIntosh 207 and they sounded amazing. Definetly a different sound than the Sim. It had a warmer midrange and top end, which I haven't heard in a while. I definetly could have lived with the sound. :)

Here's an excellent Audyssey "how to" that you should read. Following these tried & true methods will enable you to get the best out of using Audyssey and it's worth the effort IMO;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895#post14456895


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Not too much to be gained because I have had receivers/sub/Audyssey for a few years now, now just different room and more speakers/subs. I generally control the amount of bass though the receiver and not from the gain switch and I have done the calibration test too many times. I am now to the point of doing the calibrations and then tweaking the calibrations to what I like, sometimes changing individual speaker strengths to my own personal liking.

So maybe the LFE setting on the amp is just for 5.1/7.1 content. If there is this 5.1/7.1 content going to the LFE channel I can control the range which I can have set to 120 Hz. The difference comes in when listening to stereo and there not being LFE content then XO @ 80 would come into play I set for the normal speakers.

I guess the question is how 5.1/7.1 content is treated in the normal speakers, when you set the XO on the LFE channel to 120 Hz compared to 80. Does the XO change in the normal speakers when you do this. Would the XO in the normal speakers be 120 Hz because LFE is XO @ 120 Hz or would be an overlap. Or does it just go by the XO set in the normal speakers and there isn't any additional processing for 5.1/7.1.

Ahh, I see why you're so confused.

The LFE setting on your receiver is not a crossover!

It is a "limiter" and it's only there in case your sub can't play as high as 120hz and only in play for the .1 (LFE) channel.

It has no effect or correlation on how the rest of your system is crossed over to the sub.

Ahh, I see why you're so confused.

The LFE setting on your receiver is not a crossover!

It is a "limiter" and it's only there in case your sub can't play as high as 120hz and only in play for the .1 (LFE) channel.

It has no effect or correlation on how the rest of your system is crossed over to the sub.


Yes, the subs you have or have on the way are all more then capable up at those ranges, so just set it to the highest setting... and don't give it another thought... be more concerned with a smooth transition with your XO.

I almost think getting a pair of S2s with a good subwoofer is a better setup then getting a pair of Studio 100s only because the sound difference in the signatures is so much greater then the studios and running a good sub would cover for the lack of frequency response in the S2s. Especially with the S2 going so cheap used or new on ebay.

Yes, that was one of the main reasons I ended up going with the S2's. Of course, if they don't sound nice I'll blame you and Nuance .... :p

Apples and oranges?

I almost think getting a pair of S2s with a good subwoofer is a better setup then getting a pair of Studio 100s only because the sound difference in the signatures is so much greater then the studios and running a good sub would cover for the lack of frequency response in the S2s. Especially with the S2 going so cheap used or new on ebay.

Yeah that's not a bad option, I ran dual subs with my S4's and it sounded great, a bit better than the Studio 100 v.5s I heard, but in fairness they were'nt set up properly in the room I heard them in.

The size of room will have fair bit to do with it too, there's only so much space a small monitor can fill adequately even with subs.

Apples and oranges?

Tomatoe Tomahtoh?

I almost think getting a pair of S2s with a good subwoofer is a better setup then getting a pair of Studio 100s only because the sound difference in the signatures is so much greater then the studios and running a good sub would cover for the lack of frequency response in the S2s. Especially with the S2 going so cheap used or new on ebay.i was thinking the same thing but using the W5's, plus the W5's may give more detail than the S2's for my application.

So in anticipation of the S2's, can someone tell me the size of the port on them?

Has anyone who has wall mounted these as fronts tried plugging the ports and found that that results in a flatter FR? Noticed that the Sierra's (when I was originally considering these) has a plug option and Dave mentioned if I was wall mounting that the plug was exactly what this was for as the speakers would be closer to the back walls (obviously).

YMMV on the port plugs... One of the WAC guys who has the sierras got the port plugs and tried them out, but found it made them sound flat and dry, he ended up not liking that at all. I wouldn't be all that concerned with trying to plug the ports on the S2's... my surrounds are wall mounted and I don't plug the ports, needless to say the speakers are designed as a ported design.

Plugging them will change the FR of the already proven desing..

YMMV on the port plugs... One of the WAC guys who has the sierras got the port plugs and tried them out, but found it made them sound flat and dry, he ended up not liking that at all. I wouldn't be all that concerned with trying to plug the ports on the S2's... my surrounds are wall mounted and I don't plug the ports, needless to say the speakers are designed as a ported design.

Plugging them will change the FR of the already proven desing..

That's what I always thought. I just know Dave (founder of Ascend) was very keen on plugging the ports if the Sierra's were going to be wall mounted. Anyhow, guess it doesn't make sense to "guess" at this until I can measure the FR once the S2's are in the house. Can you tell I'm a tad anxious to get them! :D

Does it work if i pair the Studio 20 with CC690?

It will work just fine, I suspect you are going to be running a Sub along with that to hit the low notes...

It will work just fine, I suspect you are going to be running a Sub along with that to hit the low notes...

Yes that's my intention. I just want to be sure the drivers in 20's and 690 are the same and matching.

I have been looking for some time at fixing a problem I have with my setup. I currently have a 130x55 AT screen with L/R v3 Studio 100's and a cc-570 as the center. I really like the 100's but the cc-570 does not always sound right.

I have been unsuccessful in finding a matching v3.

The presumption has been that a v5 Studio 100 would be a bad match as a center with the existing v3's. Is that a valid presumption? I know it would not be an exact match but how noticeable would it be?

Sell them all and buy the JTR Triple 8's... per out conversation through PM....
You have everything hidden behind the screen - that would be a freakin AWESOME setup... Thats what I would do in your situation, if not Catalysts if money were no object...

I could sell my P5 and go with the Catalysts but that would limit my upgrade options in the future. I do not think that my wife or I would be Ok with taking a loss on the P5 and then having to re purchase an AMP in a few years.





Sell them all and buy the JTR Triple 8's... per out conversation through PM....
You have everything hidden behind the screen - that would be a freakin AWESOME setup... Thats what I would do in your situation, if not Catalysts if money were no object...

I have been looking for some time at fixing a problem I have with my setup. I currently have a 130x55 AT screen with L/R v3 Studio 100's and a cc-570 as the center. I really like the 100's but the cc-570 does not always sound right.

I have been unsuccessful in finding a matching v3.

The presumption has been that a v5 Studio 100 would be a bad match as a center with the existing v3's. Is that a valid presumption? I know it would not be an exact match but how noticeable would it be?

The v.5 studio 100 would not be a bad match at all. It is a better speaker than the older studio 100, Paradigm made changes with each line. The newest versions have the old tweeters from the sig line and higher output midrange/bass drivers. The non parallel walls also help out alot. I would rather have a new studio 100 as a center than an old cc570. You would have pretty much the same 3 across the front stage.

I could sell my P5 and go with the Catalysts but that would limit my upgrade options in the future. I do not think that my wife or I would be Ok with taking a loss on the P5 and then having to re purchase an AMP in a few years.

If you have a large room I could see bumping up to the Catalysts, and even then they would seriously be freakin overkill.... Like you say, the P5 is a great amp - so sticking with it is the best way to go... Moving up to the JTR's you will want to make sure your Subs are capable of pretty good output...

If this is for mostly or only HT, the chances of you upgrading down the line from the Catalysts is pretty slim... they are that good :)

Is there anywhere online where you can find out the price for Paradigm speakers? I'm finalizing my budget for speakers and am interested in what Paradigm has to offer, I've had the chance to listen to them a couple years back but don't remember any price details.

I'm looking at the Studio 20's and CC-590 (or 690). Maybe the recommended Studio 20 system off their web site if it's not too much. But again I can't find any price information. The room is not big, maybe 12x12x8 and bookshelf's are the answer for me. Also, any negative effects from using a third party sub such as an STF-1 with the Paradigm's?

Also should mention I'm looking for a 5.1 system.

Any info is appreciated.

Here is one of the dealers in my area that has the latest list pricing of their models.
http://www.audioemporium.com/2010Catalog.pdf

Here is one of the dealers in my area that has the latest list pricing of their models.
http://www.audioemporium.com/2010Catalog.pdf

Thank you.

I really hate to say to people - if you truly have a passion for very good quality audio - and have an attuned ear for really good quality recordings..... Audition, audition audition - and buy out of your price range and get the best you can !!! I wish I would have sprung for the Sigs right from the get go... but then again, the Be tweeters weren't around just yet...

Now that they are, the .v2 and .v3 Sigs that is, in the mean time before I finally was able to get my Sigs, I have listened to many different brands and iterations of design aspects. There has been over this long time frame a transformation of what I thought were competent sounding speakers and ones that truly were... I guess what I am getting at with all this senseless dribble, is that there are two ways of going about it, getting what you can afford for a quick fix, or - Audition, Audition, Audition - going the whole nine yards and finding that ONE that fills the void, no matter what the cost...

It doesn't have to be a race, it can be a journey....

Just a follow up to your advice, I was able to pick up a used pair of Sig 60 v2 after all and MOTHER OF GOD! These things are jaw dropping! I've been used to my Monitor 7 v3(Paradigm) and it is such a difference I can't begin to describe all of the differences.
But I will anyway, the freaking bass is glorious, tight and pounds louder than my ps-1000 sub. Diana Krall's voice and piano are so amazingly IN THE ROOM and the tweeters, Airy and just perfect. All on a 7 yr old Adcom 5300 (80 watts by 2)

I am now in speaker nirvana, best money I ever spent.

wow, all that from v2 Studio 60s.......i cant imagine what the 100s would sound like then.

I think he got the 6 series Signature not the Studio.



wow, all that from v2 Studio 60s.......i cant imagine what the 100s would sound like then.

Has anyone tried upgrading their Studio tweeter or midrange to the Signature ones? Are the chassis the same size?

Hi all, I've recently been upgrading my HT and am slightly interested in upgrading my full range speakers. The main reason I feel the slight need for an upgrade is because I have a HUGE volume to fill. The main room (living room) is about 22' x 24' x 8'-14' vaulted (5,800cu-ft+) and it is about half open to a kitchen that is maybe 10x20x8... so another 1,600cu-ft. I recently ordered Dual Epik Sentinels for the low end and also a Denon 2310CI. I currently have highly efficient BIC Acoustech towers which are very comparable to lower end Klipsch models and have a sensitivity of 98dB. The problem that I currently have is when i crank the volume up the speakers begin to sound compressed and overworked. I can literally turn the volume to the full +18dB and get sound that is not distorted but it just doesnt have the effortless, natural, transparent sound that it does at low volume. I have been looking at the Studio 100v5's as the mains with the Studio CC-690 as the center. These have a lower sensitivity rating than my current speakers of 98dB 1w/m and I'm afraid that I might need a separate amp at maybe 200Wx5 to drive them at comparable 'loudness' levels. Doing this would also require me to upgrade from the 2310CI to the 3310CI to get the pre-outs. Would I have similar problems with the Studio's at very high volume? also if I decided to go with studios, would the 2310CI handle it well or would I be doomed for another upgrade (amp)? Any suggestions?

Also, any negative effects from using a third party sub such as an STF-1 with the Paradigm's?

Also should mention I'm looking for a 5.1 system.

Any info is appreciated.nope

Has anyone tried upgrading their Studio tweeter or midrange to the Signature ones? Are the chassis the same size?

i imagine you wouldnt want to do that without modding the crossover.

Hi all, I've recently been upgrading my HT and am slightly interested in upgrading my full range speakers. The main reason I feel the slight need for an upgrade is because I have a HUGE volume to fill. The main room (living room) is about 22' x 24' x 8'-14' vaulted (5,800cu-ft+) and it is about half open to a kitchen that is maybe 10x20x8... so another 1,600cu-ft. I recently ordered Dual Epik Sentinels for the low end and also a Denon 2310CI. I currently have highly efficient BIC Acoustech towers which are very comparable to lower end Klipsch models and have a sensitivity of 98dB. The problem that I currently have is when i crank the volume up the speakers begin to sound compressed and overworked. I can literally turn the volume to the full +18dB and get sound that is not distorted but it just doesnt have the effortless, natural, transparent sound that it does at low volume. I have been looking at the Studio 100v5's as the mains with the Studio CC-690 as the center. These have a lower sensitivity rating than my current speakers of 98dB 1w/m and I'm afraid that I might need a separate amp at maybe 200Wx5 to drive them at comparable 'loudness' levels. Doing this would also require me to upgrade from the 2310CI to the 3310CI to get the pre-outs. Would I have similar problems with the Studio's at very high volume? also if I decided to go with studios, would the 2310CI handle it well or would I be doomed for another upgrade (amp)? Any suggestions?

Try it first. Using subs takes a lot of the load off the receivers' amps...

No point throwing money at it based on assumed performance possibilities. The Studios will be a good upgrade on their own, see if that floats your boat then move up if needed.

The key to filling a big room like that will most likely be proper sub placement anyways, when your Epics arrive you may want to spend some time on them alone... try co-locating them at the optimum position etc.. Go to the Subwoofer forum and search "sub placement" - get that as good as possible then add your Paradigms, run the Audyssey & see if you still need more horsepower.....

lilmike,

If your looking for ridiculous output with really great effeciency, maybe your better served with something along the lines of a proaudio type speaker like the JTR Speakers... they will get extremely loud and stay really clean and are very efficient like the Klipschs, and also keep in mind that for a good horn speaker to keep their composure you need lots of power... I have a larger room then you, and the Studio's .v4 100's and 690 with a 500wpc amp and they got a tiny bit edgy at really high volume. But that is also in part the Nature of my ROOM as well...

Warpdrv and rnrgagne....

Thank you for the comments and advice. I think I may save my judgements a bit until after I receive the subs on wednesday. When I crank up the volume it is plenty loud, just a little compressed and overworked sounding (again its hard to describe). I only feel like I would need an external amp if I went with less efficient speakers. Perhaps I could do a little EQ'ing to remedy that and keep myself from feeling the need to upgrade further for a couple of years. Since I've ordered two subs, I'm going to try placing one at each of the mains and crossing them a bit higher at maybe 120Hz. Then I can trim some of the bass/midbass out of the center and mains. That might help with the load and possibly get rid of some of the muddy/sloppyness that I'm getting at higher volume and since the subs are at the mains I wont have to worry much about localization.

I also checked out those JTR speakers and I've gotta say, since this is also a living room, aesthetics are a bit of a concern lol. High efficiency is not necessarily a requirement, but it will prevent me from having to upgrade my current receiver for the next up (3310CI) that has pre-outs and also spend another 1K+ on a 5 channel amp. I think it is safe to say that the next time I do a full blown upgrade I will be purchasing Paradigm. The only question is going to be when. :)

i imagine you wouldnt want to do that without modding the crossover.

For my Studio 100 v3, the crossover for the high is set at 2kHz which is the same for the Signature S6/S8. The mids however wouldn't match up as nicely but still seeing if anyone has tried =P

Warpdrv and rnrgagne....

Thank you for the comments and advice. I think I may save my judgements a bit until after I receive the subs on wednesday. When I crank up the volume it is plenty loud, just a little compressed and overworked sounding (again its hard to describe). I only feel like I would need an external amp if I went with less efficient speakers. Perhaps I could do a little EQ'ing to remedy that and keep myself from feeling the need to upgrade further for a couple of years. Since I've ordered two subs, I'm going to try placing one at each of the mains and crossing them a bit higher at maybe 120Hz. Then I can trim some of the bass/midbass out of the center and mains. That might help with the load and possibly get rid of some of the muddy/sloppyness that I'm getting at higher volume and since the subs are at the mains I wont have to worry much about localization.

I also checked out those JTR speakers and I've gotta say, since this is also a living room, aesthetics are a bit of a concern lol. High efficiency is not necessarily a requirement, but it will prevent me from having to upgrade my current receiver for the next up (3310CI) that has pre-outs and also spend another 1K+ on a 5 channel amp. I think it is safe to say that the next time I do a full blown upgrade I will be purchasing Paradigm. The only question is going to be when. :)

The trick is getting the bass right, once that's done the rest falls into place. It could be that you have to turn up your system to what you feel is compressed to get enough bottom end. The lower the frequency the higher the SPL has to be to hear it at the same level as the rest of the frequency range (something Dynamic EQ addresses at lower volumes).
Having the subs set up with your mains is one option, but might not be the best for that size of room. You might benefit more from one of a variety different placement options.
I have to think if your current speakers are muddy in the bottom end where they're at your subs probably will being there too. Audyssey will help but there's only so much it can do.
Going to the 3310 I believe gets you into the XT platform of Audyssey which has more advanced bass correction, which IMO makes the upgrade worthwhile even without the external amp.

For my Studio 100 v3, the crossover for the high is set at 2kHz which is the same for the Signature S6/S8. The mids however wouldn't match up as nicely but still seeing if anyone has tried =P

I wouldn't risk it, the crossover implementation is a critical element in the speaker's design, and if you change the drivers it'll mess with that synergy.

Thanks again, rnrgagne. I really appreciate you taking the time to make suggestions. I was thinking about actually getting the Behringer Feedback Destroyer and using my SPL meter and REW to try and even out the subwoofer response. Once I get these subs in on wednesday I'll have plenty of tinkering time through the weekend.

Does anyone know how this dented "tweeter cover" would effect sound, if at all? Also, any idea how much it would be to fix?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-Signature-S4-v2-Speaker-High-gloss-black_W0QQitemZ230398262663QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Subwo ofers?hash=item35a4ce7d87

Also,
since this is a single speaker, I am considering this for a center speaker, using S2s as my mains. Any idea how this might be possible?

I have room under my TV, but would it work standing on a small stand, slightly tilted upwards?

Here is a picture of my setup:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/4111934654_2d5cb46883.jpg

More pictures can be see here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41410341@N06/sets/72157622697151481/

Also,

Does anyone know if the ON-Wall Mini Monitors can be wall mounted with the MB60 wall mounts rather than "hanging" them on brackets?

I am considering these for my Surround backs and would like to have the ability to angle them as needed with the MB60. Or is this unnecessary?

Thanks

Does anyone know how this dented "tweeter cover" would effect sound, if at all? Also, any idea how much it would be to fix?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-Signature-S4-v2-Speaker-High-gloss-black_W0QQitemZ230398262663QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Subwo ofers?hash=item35a4ce7d87

Also,
since this is a single speaker, I am considering this for a center speaker, using S2s as my mains. Any idea how this might be possible?

I have room under my TV, but would it work standing on a small stand, slightly tilted upwards?

Here is a picture of my setup:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2667/4111934654_2d5cb46883.jpg

More pictures can be see here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/41410341@N06/sets/72157622697151481/

Well the replacement is $300 direct from Paradigm and no I don't think there will be an effect on the speakers. I have a set of S2s with a small dent, I was able to pull the wire mesh out alittle but isn't prefect, but I can't hear a different between the two S2 speakers(one with dent one w/o dent).

Personally I wait and see if he drops the price more. Not many people are interested in buying a Signature Series front speaker and running it as a center speaker. Generally people wants real center speaker especially at this elite level. Hense this has been on ebay for months now. Also the shipping listed as a $100, please. Personally I pass until this item goes no reserve.

I email the guy that was trying to sell the "Paradigm Reference Signature C1" on ebay. You can look it up on ebay under completed items search paradigm + signature. I offer him a lower price and see if he was interested. Only $100 more, is a true center speakers and tweeter isn't mess up. Just my two cents..

hi...
i'm thinking buy the studio 100 v.5 adp sorround and the centre 590 v.5 ,but too i hear about b&w cm9 ,i want do a decision ,my purpose is 70% movies ,20 % music and 10 % for game........sorry by my english i'm from pr.

thank you this is my first post...i don't if is this the section sorry....
thinking buy pioneer elite sc25 of receiver and playstation 3 of blue ray....

help please...

hi...
i'm thinking buy the studio 100 v.5 adp sorround and the centre 590 v.5 ,but too i hear about b&w cm9 ,i want do a decision ,my purpose is 70% movies ,20 % music and 10 % for game........sorry by my english i'm from pr.

thank you this is my first post...i don't if is this the section sorry....
thinking buy pioneer elite sc25 of receiver and playstation 3 of blue ray....

help please...

weather your 100% movies 100% games or 100% music, Paradigm and B&W Sonics are true. the speaker is not going to care if you playing games watching movies or listening to music. Paradigm and B&W will the most accurate reproduction of sounds compared to most speaker systems.

Since your starting off with Paradigm Studio line your way ahead of the game:)

Well the replacement is $300 direct from Paradigm and no I don't think there will be an effect on the speakers. I have a set of S2s with a small dent, I was able to pull the wire mesh out alittle but isn't prefect, but I can't hear a different between the two S2 speakers(one with dent one w/o dent).

Personally I wait and see if he drops the price more. Not many people are interested in buying a Signature Series front speaker and running it as a center speaker. Generally people wants real center speaker especially at this elite level. Hense this has been on ebay for months now. Also the shipping listed as a $100, please. Personally I pass until this item goes no reserve.

I email the guy that was trying to sell the "Paradigm Reference Signature C1" on ebay. You can look it up on ebay under completed items search paradigm + signature. I offer him a lower price and see if he was interested. Only $100 more, is a true center speakers and tweeter isn't mess up. Just my two cents..

Thanks for the reply! I agree with you regarding the price of the S4. He recently reposted it at its current price, down from the $700 he had it at.
I would hope to get it for a lower price if i was to bid, especially without the grill which is probably about $60-$70 shipped.

In regards to the C1... it seems to be missing it's veneer?

Does anyone know MSRP on the Piano Black S4 v2?

Looks like a NIB Cherry C3 went for about $800 shipped recently, if I wanted to go higher I'd likely go for that.

Would the S4 standing normally not work well? If I eventually did a projector setup and had a screen that didn't effect the sound, I would then be able to raise the S4 to the proper level.

Thanks for the reply! I agree with you regarding the price of the S4. He recently reposted it at its current price, down from the $700 he had it at.
I would hope to get it for a lower price if i was to bid, especially without the grill which is probably about $60-$70 shipped.

In regards to the C1... it seems to be missing it's veneer?

Does anyone know MSRP on the Piano Black S4 v2?

Looks like a NIB Cherry C3 went for about $800 shipped recently, if I wanted to go higher I'd likely go for that.

Would the S4 standing normally not work well? If I eventually did a projector setup and had a screen that didn't effect the sound, I would then be able to raise the S4 to the proper level.

I wouldn't run the S4 on it side.. if that is what you are asking, wont sound right. Unless in a short time you were going to have it upright. Again I just say guy selling of eBay isn't offering a deal unless you need something right now. If you got it, you may end up buying the correct center anyways. I watch Ebay or Audiogon. If it is a good deal it will move fast if bad deal it never moves.

Not sure MSPR $2,400 + $400 for piano black for S4s but they aren't the current model, v3s are the current and they don't make S4s anymore again another hit.
I saw a SET of new S4s go for $1400 + shipping on eBay not long ago. But that is for a set and this is for a single dented speaker. Personally I wouldn't want it @ current price and if you did plan on taking a hit when selling it.

Like the C3 for $800.

I wouldn't run the S4 on it side.. if that is what you are asking, wont sound right. Unless in a short time you were going to have it upright. Again I just say guy selling of eBay isn't offering a deal unless you need something right now. If you got it, you may end up buying the correct center anyways. I watch Ebay or Audiogon. If it is a good deal it will move fast if bad deal it never moves.

Not sure MSPR $2,400 + $400 for piano black for S4s but they aren't the current model, v3s are the current and they don't make S4s anymore again another hit.
I saw a SET of new S4s go for $1400 + shipping on eBay not long ago. But that is for a set and this is for a single dented speaker. Personally I wouldn't want it @ current price and if you did plan on taking a hit when selling it.

Like the C3 for $800.


Actually I'm referring to to keeping the speaker standing upright with a short stand angled slight upwards towards the head of the main seating position. I would have it as high up to the TV as possible.

The tweeter would be even closer than it is currently to the optimum height, but the other two drivers would be a bit lower.

The S4 looks to be about 22" high. The bottom of the TV is about 30" off the ground. So the S4 would be on about an 8" stand tilted slightly upwards.

I agree with you guys regarding the price and would not consider it unless the price was lowered, but no sense in persuing that if it won't work with good results.

Thanks for the reply! I love all of the knowledge here and appreciate the advice.

Here is a an estimate from paint:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2559/4113401020_50e0cc1f91_o.jpg

Thanks again, rnrgagne. I really appreciate you taking the time to make suggestions. I was thinking about actually getting the Behringer Feedback Destroyer and using my SPL meter and REW to try and even out the subwoofer response. Once I get these subs in on wednesday I'll have plenty of tinkering time through the weekend.

No worries,
Actually I just learned something new on another thread, and that is that you don't have to go to the Audyssey XT platform to get the ALFC improvement I was talking about; it is the same in the MultEQ platform, it's the 2EQ that doesn't have it.

I've gone the route of the Behringer/REW combo, and dual SMS-1's and Audyssey trumped them all in the end result. I think the critical element missing in the other solutions is the ability to work in the time domain which Audyssey does.

I would use the REW as a tool to find the best location for the subs (best blend of FR & SPL over the widest area) and then just use Audyssey.

If you have any really bad peaks or valleys you can use the Behringer and gang up on those only and then run the Audyssey over top.

Actually I'm referring to to keeping the speaker standing upright with a short stand angled slight upwards towards the head of the main seating position. I would have it as high up to the TV as possible.

The tweeter would be even closer than it is currently to the optimum height, but the other two drivers would be a bit lower.


That would work fine. In fact it would be a preferred set up for SACD! ;)

Going there this Friday, so ill look around and let you know.


Did you get there, see any SA-15R-SMs, listen to them, etc?

The mesh on the Be tweeter is semi rigid but I think you could use a right angled pick and pull it back into shape.... as long as the dome itself isn't damaged you should be just fine... just the mesh dome protector being dented would be of no concern to performance to me..

That would work fine. In fact it would be a preferred set up for SACD! ;)

Truthfully for me it's 95% movies, 5% music.

So I'm not ruling out the fact that I might listen to more music, but that's not currently the plan.

I definitely feel like I'm missing something with my current Monitor CC370 v4. I know some of it is the need for acoustical treatment, which was the primary reason I took all of those pictures.

With that said, is there any downside to movies with that setup?

The mesh on the Be tweeter is semi rigid but I think you could use a right angled pick and pull it back into shape.... as long as the dome itself isn't damaged you should be just fine... just the mesh dome protector being dented would be of no concern to performance to me..

That's good to know.
Any idea how far in the dome of the tweeter is compared to the protector?

I am afraid it might be pushed into the dome of the tweeter.

just checked... I give it about 3/8 of an inch between the mesh and the dome on the Be tweeter... I would think you would be fine... just confirm with the seller in writing that the mesh hasn't crushed to touched the dome and back up your purchase with a credit card, and your should be OK IMO...

With that said, is there any downside to movies with that setup?

Those pillars limit things a fair bit, I'd try moving the mains slightly ahead of the pillars and reduce the toe-in a bit. It seems you're sitting fairly close to them so focusing them like that might reduce the soundstage a bit. Typically off axis performance of Paradigms is very good so it won't hurt to try. Getting them an inch or two in front of the pillars will eliminate possible near-field reflection issues.
Another little trick might be to put some acoustic foam on the inside of the mains if they're at the first reflection point of your center channel. You can tell if they are by sitting in your prime position and having someone hold a mirror against one of them around tweeter height, if you can see the tweeter in the mirror then it could be an issue. The spot where you see the tweeter is the ideal spot for the foam. Another option could be to move the center forward until it's not reflecting off the mains.

Those pillars limit things a fair bit, I'd try moving the mains slightly ahead of the pillars and reduce the toe-in a bit. It seems you're sitting fairly close to them so focusing them like that might reduce the soundstage a bit. Typically off axis performance of Paradigms is very good so it won't hurt to try. Getting them an inch or two in front of the pillars will eliminate possible near-field reflection issues.
Another little trick might be to put some acoustic foam on the inside of the mains if they're at the first reflection point of your center channel. You can tell if they are by sitting in your prime position and having someone hold a mirror against one of them around tweeter height, if you can see the tweeter in the mirror then it could be an issue. The spot where you see the tweeter is the ideal spot for the foam. Another option could be to move the center forward until it's not reflecting off the mains.

Not sure if I got any good pictures to show the pillars from the side, but I made it so that the speakers edges are about .5 inches past the pillars, and their toe-in is meeting at the back of the couch, dead center. For a reflection, their sound would need to be going out past 180 degrees. I didn't think this was possible so that's why it's only about .5 inches past the pillar on the side nearest to the pillar. It's only a 47" screen so the prime seating position is about 6.5-7ft from the screen. (So yes, definitely a bit close for the speakers IMO)
because the seating
I notice quite a bit of reflection off the back wall. If I cup my ears to only hear sound coming from the front, the sound becomes much more localized.

I will have to try the mirror trick. I never thought of that possibility and am trying to understand what you mean. So I should place the mirror on the side of the L/R and see if I can see the tweeter of the center channel? In my case the center is about 6'-12" behind the main. I thought this was ideal to keep their distance to the prime position about the same.

The picture is missleading if they're about 1/2 past them, it should do since you want them back as far as possible without the pillars being an issue.

Generally you want the speaker toe-in to intersect about a foot to 18" behind the listener but that's assuming there's room behind the listener. Since you're so close to both the back wall and to the speakers I'm thinking reducing toe-in will be a good idea, as would some kind of diffuser on the back wall. Engaging the "Boundary Gain Compensation" in your receiver could also be beneficial.

You got the right idea about the mirrors, I've never had to worry about that with a CC so I don't know how big of a factor it is, or could be, but I'd have to assume first reflection x2 (off the sides of the L/R's) might not be a good thing..

Of course if the depth perception of the photo is playing tricks on me and the cc's tweeters' dispersion is clear of the L/R's it won't be an issue.

The picture is missleading if they're about 1/2 past them, it should do since you want them back as far as possible without the pillars being an issue.

Generally you want the speaker toe-in to intersect about a foot to 18" behind the listener but that's assuming there's room behind the listener. Since you're so close to both the back wall and to the speakers I'm thinking reducing toe-in will be a good idea, as would some kind of diffuser on the back wall. Engaging the "Boundary Gain Compensation" in your receiver could also be beneficial.

You got the right idea about the mirrors, I've never had to worry about that with a CC so I don't know how big of a factor it is, or could be, but I'd have to assume first reflection x2 (off the sides of the L/R's) might not be a good thing..

Of course if the depth perception of the photo is playing tricks on me and the cc's tweeters' dispersion is clear of the L/R's it won't be an issue.

Here are a few pictures that give a better view of where the speakers are place in comparison to the pillars and the angle from the center channel to the L/R channels.

As you can see, the L/R are nearly even with the wall, but with their angle, they would need to be sending sound past 180 degrees to have a reflection.

With the Center... it looks like it would almost need to be sending sound at 180 degrees to reflect off of the L/R. The center speaker is really only abut 4-5" further back than the L/R channels. If this reflection is an issue, like you said it would probably be easiest to bring the center channel forward slightly.

I'm not sure I understand the mirror trick for this center reflection. I should place the mirror flat against the front of the L/R channels and see if I can see the center tweeter? If this is the case I can only see myself, nothing near towards the center channel. Am I doing this correctly? Thanks again for the help!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2659/4114526090_617a181047.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2528/4114526050_74841d6005.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4113756727_ffd8eba3b3.jpg

My bad, sorry I was completely fooled by the pics here and missed the link to the rest of the pics in your earlier post. First reflection off the center won't be an issue.

I'd still experiment with toe-in and diffusion on back wall. With toe in, put on some two channel material you're familiar with and move them out (or in) until you get the best blend of center vocals and soundstage width.

If I had that room and it was mostly for movies I'd forgo the large sides and direct radiating rears and go with four ADP's, have the sides on stands and the rears higher & on the wall. Sitting that close, the ADP's dispersion would be an asset IMO. It could be with all those speaker directly focused at the listening position your center is being "drowned out".
What room correction are you using if any?

My bad, sorry I was completely fooled by the pics here and missed the link to the rest of the pics in your earlier post. First reflection off the center won't be an issue.

I'd still experiment with toe-in and diffusion on back wall. With toe in, put on some two channel material you're familiar with and move them out (or in) until you get the best blend of center vocals and soundstage width.

If I had that room and it was mostly for movies I'd forgo the large sides and direct radiating rears and go with four ADP's, have the sides on stands and the rears higher & on the wall. Sitting that close, the ADP's dispersion would be an asset IMO. It could be with all those speaker directly focused at the listening position your center is being "drowned out".
What room correction are you using if any?

The picture of the front view is actually from the back wall so I see what you mean. Their toe in looks more than it is from the actual seating position.

I also play first person shooters, and I like the localization of the surrounds that I have.

I was given the impression that ADP's need a side wall to bounce sound off of and I don't really have that on either side. (One side would be around 6-8 feet and another about 10-12 feet from rear ADPs)

Is this incorrect?

I have a Denon AVR-889 (2309ci) so I use Audyssey MultEQ for room correction. I don't move the mic too drastically for the 6 positions though because me and my wife are really the only ones who watch movies and we're always very close to the prime seating position.

Could anyone here possibly point me in the direction of a Canadian retail price list for the new Signature v3 line? Thanks.

Truthfully for me it's 95% movies, 5% music.
So I'm not ruling out the fact that I might listen to more music, but that's not currently the plan.

I definitely feel like I'm missing something with my current Monitor CC370 v4. I know some of it is the need for acoustical treatment, which was the primary reason I took all of those pictures.

With that said, is there any downside to movies with that setup?

A great pair of speakers will reverse those numbers!

A great pair of speakers will reverse those numbers!

hehehe...
That isn't likely but more for personal reasons. I hate paying for media though (I rent Blu-rays) and have a hard time finding high-quality music to take advantage of the speakers. I haven't looked too much for music though.

Can someone tell me if the Signature series currently being manufactured, that is the v3s, is the maple still bird's eye or just plain maple? I'm trying to order a Signature Sub 25 however I have conflicting information. The brochure I have, which is listed as the latest on the Paradigm website states Natural Bird's Eye Maple however I know this brochure is not current because it has the Signature Servo sub which was discontinued and replaced with the Sub 25. Now looking at the products on the web site the Signature Servo is properly listed as discontinued however looking at the available finishes the maple option is described as only Natural Maple, there is no mention of the Bird's Eye.

Paradigm tells my dealer the brochure is a good approximation of each product but how can that be if the brochure is not current and does not jive with the website :)

The picture of the front view is actually from the back wall so I see what you mean. Their toe in looks more than it is from the actual seating position.

I also play first person shooters, and I like the localization of the surrounds that I have.

I was given the impression that ADP's need a side wall to bounce sound off of and I don't really have that on either side. (One side would be around 6-8 feet and another about 10-12 feet from rear ADPs)

Is this incorrect?

I have a Denon AVR-889 (2309ci) so I use Audyssey MultEQ for room correction. I don't move the mic too drastically for the 6 positions though because me and my wife are really the only ones who watch movies and we're always very close to the prime seating position.

Well, I'm probably dating myself but I have no idea what "first person shooters" is, and to me that would involve tequila! :p

ADPs can serve a couple of functions, in a 5.1 set up when mounted on side walls they can create a "rear" presence by reflecting off the back wall. (Or side presence if they're mounted on the back wall & reflecting off the side wall.) But they also can diffuse sound to reduce directionality regardless of where they're placed, which is advantageous in small room, and if you're in close proximity. The good ones still allow for directional cues to exist but increase the ambiance at the same time.

Could anyone here possibly point me in the direction of a Canadian retail price list for the new Signature v3 line? Thanks.

S2 $2,999
S4 $3,999
S6 $5,999
S8 $7,199
C1 $1,449
C3 $2,299
C5 $3,999
ADP3 $3,399
ADP1 $2,699
Sub 25 $3,999

Add $300 to $800 for the upgraded finishes.

S2 $2,999
S4 $3,999
S6 $5,999
S8 $7,199
C1 $1,449
C3 $2,299
C5 $3,999
ADP3 $3,399
ADP1 $2,699
Sub 25 $3,999

Add $300 to $800 for the upgraded finishes.

This sort of relates to a question I asked earlier, you state $300 - $800 for the upgraded finishes. Are thoses finishes still Piano Black and Natural Bird's Eye Maple? Do you know if the Bird's Eye Maple has been discontinued in favor of a lesser Natural Maple as the Paradigm website indicates (i.e they no longer mention Bird's Eye)?
Does anyone know what it is about the Maple and Piano Black (and discontinued Rosewood) that make those more expensive then the Cherry?

Thanks

This sort of relates to a question I asked earlier, you state $300 - $800 for the upgraded finishes. Are thoses finishes still Piano Black and Natural Bird's Eye Maple? Do you know if the Bird's Eye Maple has been discontinued in favor of a lesser Natural Maple as the Paradigm website indicates (i.e they no longer mention Bird's Eye)?
Does anyone know what it is about the Maple and Piano Black (and discontinued Rosewood) that make those more expensive then the Cherry?

Thanks

Yup there is still a premium for the PB and NM. The older Birds Eye Maple was a glossy veneer i believe. The new one is a flat finish. I'm not really sure about the change from BEM to NM so sorry.

Piano Black finish is actually extremely labor intensive to get it to the glassy finish like paradigm has. A lot of companies have a gloss black which is different as it doesnt have as deep of a shine and i believe there is less layers. NM is more of a premium veneer than cherry which is pretty standard and easy to work with.

Thanks for the price list. Is that an old list? Where are the S1's?

Btw, I just placed an order for Sig v3 S2 fronts, C3 center and S1 rears. I'm very excited, but now I'm second guessing myself on the S1's. It turns out they are a sealed design, as opposed to vented like the S2's and C3's. Plus, the bottom is rounded, which might make them tricky to use with my current stands. Apparently, the matching stands attach to the back of the speaker. As I understand it, they do come with rubber feet which are supposed to be attached to one specific location for flat surface installation, which would mean that the top surface on my stands would have to be big enough to accomodate for there placement.

So, this leads me to 2 questions, 1) Will the S1's match well enough to use as rears for a S2/C3 front stage combo? 2) Does anyone here own a pair of S1's who can give me some measurements on foot placement, or is anyone successfully using them on anything other than Paradigm's matching stands?

Thanks.

Thanks for the price list. Is that an old list? Where are the S1's?

Btw, I just placed an order for Sig v3 S2 fronts, C3 center and S1 rears. I'm very excited, but now I'm second guessing myself on the S1's. It turns out they are a sealed design, as opposed to vented like the S2's and C3's. Plus, the bottom is rounded, which might make them tricky to use with my current stands. Apparently, the matching stands attach to the back of the speaker. As I understand it, they do come with rubber feet which are supposed to be attached to one specific location for flat surface installation, which would mean that the top surface on my stands would have to be big enough to accomodate for there placement.

So, this leads me to 2 questions, 1) Will the S1's match well enough to use as rears for a S2/C3 front stage combo? 2) Does anyone here own a pair of S1's who can give me some measurements on foot placement, or is anyone successfully using them on anything other than Paradigm's matching stands?

Thanks.

We had the S1 surround setup at our showroom for a week or so. We loved the speakers for how good the top end was. The only downside was that they are extremely inefficient. You need ALOT of power to get them to play loud. We had them hooked up to a P5 and they still didn't play very loud at typically loud volumes.

If I remember correctly, with the feet attached, they sat flat on our speaker stands. They are great little speakers, but a normal receiver will not do them justice. They really need a good amplifier to make them sing.

Yup there is still a premium for the PB and NM. The older Birds Eye Maple was a glossy veneer i believe. The new one is a flat finish. I'm not really sure about the change from BEM to NM so sorry.

Piano Black finish is actually extremely labor intensive to get it to the glassy finish like paradigm has. A lot of companies have a gloss black which is different as it doesnt have as deep of a shine and i believe there is less layers. NM is more of a premium veneer than cherry which is pretty standard and easy to work with.

Have to agree on the PB finish on the Digms. It is mirror like with no orange peel or imperfections.You can also tell that it is very evenly layered with smooth edges.

On other "premium" brands that I have seen, you could almost see that the edges are over buffed, revealing what appears to be the base coat.

We had the S1 surround setup at our showroom for a week or so. We loved the speakers for how good the top end was. The only downside was that they are extremely inefficient.

I wouldn't really call 90db in room sensitivity that inefficient. Thats pretty normal. They are sealed though so by nature they need a bit more power.

Brac,
I would say they will work great as rears and be a very nice match for your proposed system.

Have to agree on the PB finish on the Digms. It is mirror like with no orange peel or imperfections.You can also tell that it is very evenly layered with smooth edges.

On other "premium" brands that I have seen, you could almost see that the edges are over buffed, revealing what appears to be the base coat.

The "orange peel effect" is a great example of budget PB finshes. If you look at some less labor intense PB finishes you will notice a texture to it that looks pretty much like the surface of an orange peel lol. Paradigms is super smoothe and "deep". If someone wants to know what we're talking about first thing that comes to my mind the the B&W CM line in PB. Orange Peel look and edging is not that great.

Hmmm i wonder what the Studio Series new PB finish will look like...

I wouldn't really call 90db in room sensitivity that inefficient. Thats pretty normal. They are sealed though so by nature they need a bit more power.

Brac,
I would say they will work great as rears and be a very nice match for your proposed system.

Thanks for that... I'm getting seriously worried.:eek: Btw, I will be driving this setup with a Denon 3808. I hope my 3808 will be enough to drive these speakers in my very small 11x12x7.5 room.

Appreciate the feedback...

Thanks for that... I'm getting seriously worried.:eek: Btw, I will be driving this setup with a Denon 3808. I hope my 3808 will be enough to drive these speakers in my very small 11x12x7.5 room.

Appreciate the feedback...

Thats funny, we had a rep bring in a set of s1's, c1's, and adp-1's and we drove them with a 3808. Sounded great IMO.


Need4spdnb is right though, at some point you might want to consider a little better amplification. If budget is tight check out Emotiva.com, i have used several of their amps and still use 2 of them and they are quite good. I had it in my head awhile back to get a Anthem P2, but i a/b'd it against my RPA-1 and i just could justify the price of that sucker. What subwoofer will you be using BRAC?

Thats funny, we had a rep bring in a set of s1's, c1's, and adp-1's and we drove them with a 3808. Sounded great IMO.


Need4spdnb is right though, at some point you might want to consider a little better amplification. If budget is tight check out Emotiva.com, i have used several of their amps and still use 2 of them and they are quite good. I had it in my head awhile back to get a Anthem P2, but i a/b'd it against my RPA-1 and i just could justify the price of that sucker. What subwoofer will you be using BRAC?

That is funny, and great to hear... I will be stuck with the 3808 for awhile unfortunately. Lets just say, the wife will kick me out if I even mention another upgrade after this one. You could say I have a somewhat serious case of upgradeitis.:D I am running dual Studio Sub 12's. AWESOME subs!

Thanks for the tip on the Emotiva's. I've heard mostly good comments about their products.

Yup there is still a premium for the PB and NM. The older Birds Eye Maple was a glossy veneer i believe. The new one is a flat finish. I'm not really sure about the change from BEM to NM so sorry.

Piano Black finish is actually extremely labor intensive to get it to the glassy finish like paradigm has. A lot of companies have a gloss black which is different as it doesnt have as deep of a shine and i believe there is less layers. NM is more of a premium veneer than cherry which is pretty standard and easy to work with.

Thanks for responding. Wow I didn't realize the work involved in doing piano black. I always found it funny that Paradigm is a Canadian company, and being from Canada myself I know we have more than our fair share of maple trees in this country :) and the fact that their cherry finish is less money than the maple just strikes me as odd. To my knowledge we don't have many cherry trees in Canada :) The price must be determined by supplier and like you said the maple is a glossy finish while the cherry is not.

Thanks for the price list. Is that an old list? Where are the S1's?

Btw, I just placed an order for Sig v3 S2 fronts, C3 center and S1 rears. I'm very excited, but now I'm second guessing myself on the S1's. It turns out they are a sealed design, as opposed to vented like the S2's and C3's. Plus, the bottom is rounded, which might make them tricky to use with my current stands. Apparently, the matching stands attach to the back of the speaker. As I understand it, they do come with rubber feet which are supposed to be attached to one specific location for flat surface installation, which would mean that the top surface on my stands would have to be big enough to accomodate for there placement.

So, this leads me to 2 questions, 1) Will the S1's match well enough to use as rears for a S2/C3 front stage combo? 2) Does anyone here own a pair of S1's who can give me some measurements on foot placement, or is anyone successfully using them on anything other than Paradigm's matching stands?

Thanks.

Sorry, pulled the prices off of a CDN audio dealer in St. Cat's who puts MSRP's on their site. They didn't have the S1's listed, by my guess would be $1,999 or maybe even $2,299 MSRP.

Those little S1's received quite the glowing review from Soundstage when they first came out.

Oh, and I too just picked up a pair of S2 v2's and C3v2's for my fronts. Can't wait to get them!

I would think the S1's will work just fine as they have the same tweeters. Personally I'm going to use 4 Mirage OMR2's as rears/surrounds for now as I've liked their sound thus far and see no reason to change as I don't listen to SACD or DVD-A currently and don't believe the different speaker will make a noticeable difference at all for surround/rear purposes.

When you do get them, please try the S1's as rears and swap out the S2's, assuming you're using a sub it would be a very interesting comparison for many!

Based on the above linked review, it sounds like the S1's are rounded at the bottom, so I'm not sure what you could use other than the Paradigm specific stands?

Steve

I have a cinema 90 5.1 system and want to go to 7.1 by getting new fronts and moving the 90's to rears. I e-mailed Paradigm and asked their opinion. The reply was the Monitor 7 over the Cinema 330, since the Cinema Phantom has been discontinued. I have found brand new Phantoms on e-bay for around 350 clams, a little less than half the price of Monitor 7's. My question is does anyone have any experience with the Phantoms? The specs on the Paradigm site seem to be similar, but if there is there is something wrong with these, I don't want to throw money away, either by paying too much for something similar, or anything for something useless. Sorry for the ramble. Receiver is Onkyo 705.

I have a cinema 90 5.1 system and want to go to 7.1 by getting new fronts and moving the 90's to rears. I e-mailed Paradigm and asked their opinion. The reply was the Monitor 7 over the Cinema 330, since the Cinema Phantom has been discontinued. I have found brand new Phantoms on e-bay for around 350 clams, a little less than half the price of Monitor 7's. My question is does anyone have any experience with the Phantoms? The specs on the Paradigm site seem to be similar, but if there is there is something wrong with these, I don't want to throw money away, either by paying too much for something similar, or anything for something useless. Sorry for the ramble. Receiver is Onkyo 705.

Well the Phantom has a different tweeter and different drivers. So the sound is probably better with the Monitor 7. Much like the Monitor 7 isn't expected to sound as good as the Studio 60 or S6 even though they are similar size with similar sized drivers and also a similar amount of drivers.

What's a good sub to go with a pair of Paradigm Studio 10s? It's going in an 11.5' x 13' room, powered by a Panasonic XR57 for a 2.1 system. The Ultracube 10 has a great cabinet size, but it's over my budget and, IMO, too powerful.

What's a good sub to go with a pair of Paradigm Studio 10s? It's going in an 11.5' x 13' room, powered by a Panasonic XR57 for a 2.1 system. The Ultracube 10 has a great cabinet size, but it's over my budget and, IMO, too powerful.

Probably better suited for the sub forum unless you're looking for a Paradigm specific sub? Suggest you post your budget/room size, etc. over there!

What's a good sub to go with a pair of Paradigm Studio 10s? It's going in an 11.5' x 13' room, powered by a Panasonic XR57 for a 2.1 system. The Ultracube 10 has a great cabinet size, but it's over my budget and, IMO, too powerful.the Studio sub 12 is the recomended sub for the studio 10's.

I have a pair of Studio 20 V5 that will be moving to surround duty as soon as I find the front mains. Usage would be 70/30 HT/Music.
I can get a pair of Studio 100 V4 for ~$1900 cdn or Studio 60 V5 for about the same price (give or take a hundred or two).

MY DILLEMA:
The Studio 20 V5 mid-bass driver is a 7.5"
The Studio 60 V5 mid-bass driver is a 5.5"
The Studio 100 V4 mid-bass driver is a 7.5"

To me it seems the mid-bass match goes to the 20 v5 + 100 v4 pairing better.
Am I wrong? Would this make much difference?
I already have a cc-590 center in my 5.1 setup.

Can you guys tell me if my local AV shop's recommendations are valid?

Room Size - 13x20

I want to get the following:
Fronts - Studio 100's
Center - CC690
Surrounds - ADP590
Sub - 2 JL F110

Local AV shop's recommendations:
Pre/Pro - Integra DHC 9.9
Amp - Anthem MCA50

Do you agree with their recommendations? What are my alternatives? I'll be using them for movies/music/tv (70/20/10) respectively.

Please help.

Can you guys tell me if my local AV shop's recommendations are valid?

Room Size - 13x20

I want to get the following:
Fronts - Studio 100's
Center - CC690
Surrounds - ADP590
Sub - 2 JL F110

Local AV shop's recommendations:
Pre/Pro - Integra DHC 9.9
Amp - Anthem MCA50

Do you agree with their recommendations? What are my alternatives? I'll be using them for movies/music/tv (70/20/10) respectively.

Please help.
for the price of 2 JL F110 you could get 1 sub 25 or sub 2

pre/pro - Anthem 50v
Amp - Anthem A5

I have a pair of Studio 20 V5 that will be moving to surround duty as soon as I find the front mains. Usage would be 70/30 HT/Music.
I can get a pair of Studio 100 V4 for ~$1900 cdn or Studio 60 V5 for about the same price (give or take a hundred or two).

MY DILLEMA:
The Studio 20 V5 mid-bass driver is a 7.5"
The Studio 60 V5 mid-bass driver is a 5.5"
The Studio 100 V4 mid-bass driver is a 7.5"

To me it seems the mid-bass match goes to the 20 v5 + 100 v4 pairing better.
Am I wrong? Would this make much difference?
I already have a cc-590 center in my 5.1 setup.no dillema the entire studio line is a sonic match.

no dillema the entire studio line is a sonic match.

Awesome. Thanks!

for the price of 2 JL F110 you could get 1 sub 25 or sub 2

pre/pro - Anthem 50v
Amp - Anthem A5

Thanks for your suggestion. I was looking to get 2 subs because one end of the room opens up to a stairway and other rooms. So its not really enclosed. I was told that it would be better to have a sub in each side of the room, instead of just one corner.

I wouldn't really call 90db in room sensitivity that inefficient. Thats pretty normal. They are sealed though so by nature they need a bit more power.

Brac,
I would say they will work great as rears and be a very nice match for your proposed system.

Maybe they made a running change, the lit I have when we got the S1's has the in room at 87db and anechoic at 84db.

Maybe they made a running change, the lit I have when we got the S1's has the in room at 87db and anechoic at 84db.

hm interesting, they must have made a change.

Can you guys tell me if my local AV shop's recommendations are valid?

Room Size - 13x20

I want to get the following:
Fronts - Studio 100's
Center - CC690
Surrounds - ADP590
Sub - 2 JL F110

Local AV shop's recommendations:
Pre/Pro - Integra DHC 9.9
Amp - Anthem MCA50

Do you agree with their recommendations? What are my alternatives? I'll be using them for movies/music/tv (70/20/10) respectively.

Please help.

recommendations look nice, but why not get the Integra DHC 80.1? Unless they are giving you a great deal on it, i would ask for them to order you the newest processor instead ;)

I like the JL F110's. Pricey, but very nice subs.

You don't want F110's for HT use, they roll off too early, above 25hz. Are you restricted to a small form factor ?

You will not get very good impact with subs that small. Music they are nice but that's a pretty small sub for that large a room. There are plenty of really good sounding higher outputting subs that would be better choices.

have any of you guys heard these speakers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1040953)? how are they compared to Paradigms Sig line?

hm interesting, they must have made a change.

The difference is between the .v2 & .v3. Sigs.

87dB = .v2
90dB = .v3

Thanks for your suggestion. I was looking to get 2 subs because one end of the room opens up to a stairway and other rooms. So its not really enclosed. I was told that it would be better to have a sub in each side of the room, instead of just one corner.

That theory can work in some circumstances to produce a bit more accurate bass with less room mode issues, but I'd be more inclined to go the Sub 25 route mentioned and get a more powerful single sub. The 100's have pretty decent bottom end already so you won't be far off of having three subs really. The key will be proper placement of that sub, and the let Audyssey do it's thing.

The A5 is a good amp but you save a buck and go with their more utilitarian looking MCA50 which is pretty much the same. I'm a big ICEpower fan and like to recommend the D-Sonic amps, virtually as good as you can get at any price, but at a mid level price.

have any of you guys heard these speakers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1040953)? how are they compared to Paradigms Sig line?


Haven't heard the KEF's, but they are supposed to be pretty special...

A dealer I know stocked both the Sigs and highend KEF's and really had fantastic things to say about them... They are pretty comparable in price, and very nice looking as well.... I would love to put the 205's up against the Sig S8's to see how they sounded to me... :)

Hello:
I have a studio CC-690 and a sony 60 Wega/XBR LCD tv. Does anyone know of a good tv stand that has a large enough lower shelf to hold this center speaker?
Thanks

Hello:
I have a studio CC-690 and a sony 60 Wega/XBR LCD tv. Does anyone know of a good tv stand that has a large enough lower shelf to hold this center speaker?
Thanks


Can't think of any stand that would fit a speaker of the size magnitude the likes of the 690 or C5, I built a custom riser that fit that height and width.

Hello:
I have a studio CC-690 and a sony 60 Wega/XBR LCD tv. Does anyone know of a good tv stand that has a large enough lower shelf to hold this center speaker?
Thanks

Salamander has stands with the option of a riser in several heights.

http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/syn/synergy.jsp?modelbase=slr


If your looking for something cheaper, This Best Buy Init stand might work.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Init%26%23174%3B+-+TV+Stand+for+Most+Flat-Panel+Televisions+Up+to+50%22+-+Black/7832492.p?id=1142296669371&skuId=7832492

I have found a pair of Studio 40's for sale on craigslist in my area and was wondering if anyone could give me a price range for them? I don't know what year or version they are yet as he hasn't answered my email. They would be replacing Polk R10's as my fronts. Thanks.

Ok I found out the Studio 40's, CC6 center, and sub were bought new in 2002. Still don't know what version they are. He says they are in perfect mint condition, never abused, not even used daily. He will take $500 for all. My only question is, since I have never heard Paradigms, can I buy a new set of fronts for $300-500 that will = the Studio 40s? How will the Paradigm center compare with Polk CS2? Don't know the model of the sub but it is 10" 175 watt. I have been looking for a good sub replacement, but I stumbled on this Paradigm deal and just wondered if this might be something that could be permanent?

I have a studio CC-690 and a sony 60 Wega/XBR LCD tv. Does anyone know of a good tv stand that has a large enough lower shelf to hold this center speaker?

Something like this?
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0250.jpg
http://www.twosense.net/pm/audio/IMG_0253.jpg

The problem, is I can't remember the mfr... :( They are out there, though.
The speaker is quite low, but I put blocks under the front to aim it to listening position ear level.
(sorry for the bad phone cam pics)

Not a big fan of putting my center channel on the floor... if the LP was far enough away, I guess it would be ok, but this is what I did...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d109/Warpdrv/HT-Great%20Room/IMG_2546.jpg

Guess I should post some updated pics with the Sigs in there... but you get the point of what I built for a riser on top of the Standoutdesigns stand I bought...

I am finally in the market (maybe switching over from Studio 20's as my surrounds) for dipole surrounds due to change in room/set-up for dedicated theater room. This is a HUGE Paradigm section for material, so I want to ask for folks with experience w/ the Paradigm surrounds (?? ADP-590 ?) dipoles, to please comment on their satisfaction (or otherwise) with them. They appear to be more substantive than some surrounds as they have side firing (highs) and apparently front firing mids or for base???

Thanks for any input/advice ! ;)

I have ADP590 for surrounds and 20's for the back and I can tell you that they kick some serious butt ! I had older ADP170's before and changed the whole setup. They rock !

What price would you guys recommend for a pair of Studio 60 v3 speakers? A pair just went up on craigslist and he's asking $975.
I believe they MSRP'd at $1600, so with a good dealer discount probably sold for $1300 or so.
I feel the $975 is a little high.

Also, would running them with a Denon-2309 receiver limit them too much? Currently running Monitor 11 v4s on the same receiver.

Also, what about the ADP-470 v3? Suggested used value for a pair in good condition? It was suggested that I use ADPs for my side surrounds recently and I'm still not sure because I prefer hearing a localized sound for surround sound effects in movies and especially games.
I'm not sure I would need to hear the ADps reflecting off the back wall to fill in the rear-surround area if I am running 7.1.

Thanks!

Keep in mind that the msrp you mentioned was for each, it sounds like $975 for the pair.

I was looking at purchasing sigs especially since i am lined up for my first job. In particular, the s6s. Listed below are the power ratings: I am looking for an external amp that would be sufficient to power these babies. Emotiva have an xpa 5 right now which is 5x 200 watt. I guess I am thrown on the specs (Max Input Power vs Suitable Amp Power Range)... So would i be underpowering the s6s if i got this amp? I just want to make them sing.

Suitable Amplifier Power Range 15 - 400 watts
Maximum Input Power† 200 watts

Salamander has stands with the option of a riser in several heights.

http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/syn/synergy.jsp?modelbase=slr


If your looking for something cheaper, This Best Buy Init stand might work.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Init%26%23174%3B+-+TV+Stand+for+Most+Flat-Panel+Televisions+Up+to+50%22+-+Black/7832492.p?id=1142296669371&skuId=7832492

I've got a Salamander for my HT. Great! :D

From what I've read that is the MSRP for the pair.
Several sites mentioned $1600... a quick google search returned a review of the Studio 60 v3 with this quote "The release of the v.2's successor, the Reference Studio/60 v.3 ($1699/pair)..."
http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1204paradigm/

Also you'll see others mentioning paying well below $1500 USD after dealer discounts for a pair. So I believe the $1600 MSRP is for the pair.

Well I was able to pickup the v3 Studio 60s! As well as the matching CC-470 and ADP-470s. Everything seems great so far but one of the tweeter domes is heavily dented. (Attached) on a Studio 60.

The sound seemed the slightest bit different or lower from that speaker, but it's hard to tell if it was the room positioning etc for that speaker.

This is beyond a slight dent but doesn't seem to have a huge impact, if any. The speakers are four years old. Is this something warranty could possibly cover? (A quick google showed some people mentioning Paradigm replacing a Studio 20 tweeter 2 years out of warranty) If not, that I have two options:

1) Swap a tweeter in the Studio 60 with a tweeter in the ADP-470. Anything to consider if this was going to be done?
2) Purchase one from a dealer/paradigm. Any ideas on how much this would cost?

Thanks!

Well I was able to pickup the v3 Studio 60s! As well as the matching CC-470 and ADP-470s. Everything seems great so far but one of the tweeter domes is heavily dented. (Attached) on a Studio 60.

The sound seemed the slightest bit different or lower from that speaker, but it's hard to tell if it was the room positioning etc for that speaker.

This is beyond a slight dent but doesn't seem to have a huge impact, if any. The speakers are four years old. Is this something warranty could possibly cover? (A quick google showed some people mentioning Paradigm replacing a Studio 20 tweeter 2 years out of warranty) If not, that I have two options:

1) Swap a tweeter in the Studio 60 with a tweeter in the ADP-470. Anything to consider if this was going to be done?
2) Purchase one from a dealer/paradigm. Any ideas on how much this would cost?

Thanks!

Nice speakers! Make sure you get a good amp to drive them.

Warranty on studios is 5 years, and I think a single tweeter only runs $30 - $50.

Good luck,

Ming

If you got them from a dealer they should be under warranty, but if you bought them second hand they will not be warrantied, but you can certainly go to a dealer and have him order you a replacement - which I suggest, very simple task.

congrats...

I am becoming a brand new Paradigm owner today. I have had the good fortune to find some on craigslist. 2 Studio 40's and a matching center for $300!!!! Did I do good or what? They are 2002 models but you can't tell them from new. I am so excited to replace my Polk R10's and get these babies hooked up to my Onkyo 607!!!

If you got them from a dealer they should be under warranty, but if you bought them second hand they will not be warrantied, but you can certainly go to a dealer and have him order you a replacement - which I suggest, very simple task.

congrats...

is there a final answer on whether the dealer price is the same as going threw Paradigm directly for replacement parts. I went threw Paradigm directly and there shipping and timeliness was excellent. I know B&W dealer charge a premium over that you can get directly from B&W themselves.

Well I was able to pickup the v3 Studio 60s! As well as the matching CC-470 and ADP-470s. Everything seems great so far but one of the tweeter domes is heavily dented. (Attached) on a Studio 60.


1) Swap a tweeter in the Studio 60 with a tweeter in the ADP-470. Anything to consider if this was going to be done?
2) Purchase one from a dealer/paradigm. Any ideas on how much this would cost?

Thanks!

Yea that needs replacement and guessing in the $100 - $200 range and not under any warranty. I know the Be Tweeter is $300 and has a premium price so got to much less then that. I would imagine.

I am becoming a brand new Paradigm owner today. I have had the good fortune to find some on craigslist. 2 Studio 40's and a matching center for $300!!!! Did I do good or what? They are 2002 models but you can't tell them from new. I am so excited to replace my Polk R10's and get these babies hooked up to my Onkyo 607!!!

sounds like you got a steal. There are differences but guessing you got version 3s, otherwise they do look different. The version number should be right on the back of the model..

Yea that needs replacement and guessing in the $100 - $200 range and not under any warranty. I know the Be Tweeter is $300 and has a premium price so got to much less then that. I would imagine.

Thanks for the reply!

Any idea what I should hear that the tweeter itself is damaged or if the cover is causing a change in sound?

I did some more listening last night and I can't hear the difference between the two speakers.

I called my local dealer to get a price and they said they would have to call Paradigm to find out.

Thanks for the reply!

Any idea what I should hear that the tweeter itself is damaged or if the cover is causing a change in sound?

I did some more listening last night and I can't hear the difference between the two speakers.

I called my local dealer to get a price and they said they would have to call Paradigm to find out.

not sure but just looking at it and the plastic piece which is suppose to protect that area, then having that tweeter area almost totally pushed in.. I replace it whatever I heard.. Along with the questions people will have just seeing it.

You could do an a to b test between the two with given material and see..

I guess for me it be a no brainier to just get a replacement. I am guessing you got the speaker discounted particularly because of this issue.

sounds like you got a steal. There are differences but guessing you got version 3s, otherwise they do look different. The version number should be right on the back of the model..

Thanks Chris. I am pretty sure they are v. 2's. I forgot to look on the back when I looked at them, but they have the 1 yellow and 1 black driver. According to the pics I am seeing, I guess they could be v. 2 or 3. Regardless I am as giddy with anticipation as I can be to get them home this afternoon. I also have a chance to get the PS1000 sub that comes with it for $100, but I have a line on an HSU STF-2, which I think would serve me much better for music/movies, and it is only $150!!

not sure but just looking at it and the plastic piece which is suppose to protect that area, then having that tweeter area almost totally pushed in.. I replace it whatever I heard.. Along with the questions people will have just seeing it.

You could do an a to b test between the two with given material and see..

I guess for me it be a no brainier to just get a replacement. I am guessing you got the speaker discounted particularly because of this issue.

I agree that I would like to replace it for the look of the speaker and for resale value even if it doesn't effect the sound at all.

I've heard of a monitor tweeter being around $60 so I estimated the studio series tweeter would be around $100. So yes you're right, we took $100 off of the agreed price. So I ended up paying $650 for the Studio 60s.

I'll let everyone know the replacement price once I hear back from the dealer.

Edit: I just heard back from our local dealer and they are asking $100+tax for the replacement tweeter.

So amazon has a killer deal on the cinema 90 CT 5.1 setup but I can't find much info/opinions on it. Worth buying for a budget basement setup?

So amazon has a killer deal on the cinema 90 CT 5.1 setup but I can't find much info/opinions on it. Worth buying for a budget basement setup?

for a budget system its pretty good, but if you have a big basement then you might want to look for something that can fill it a little easier. For $399 your going to be hard pressed to find a full 5.1 that is any better.

Thanks Chris. I am pretty sure they are v. 2's. I forgot to look on the back when I looked at them, but they have the 1 yellow and 1 black driver. According to the pics I am seeing, I guess they could be v. 2 or 3. Regardless I am as giddy with anticipation as I can be to get them home this afternoon. I also have a chance to get the PS1000 sub that comes with it for $100, but I have a line on an HSU STF-2, which I think would serve me much better for music/movies, and it is only $150!!

They are v. 2 and so far I couldn't be happier. I haven't even run Audyssey yet plus no sub right now and they sound great!! They seem to have a very nice bass sound too. Out of curiosity does anyone run these in a HT setting without a sub?

Thanks for the reply!

Any idea what I should hear that the tweeter itself is damaged or if the cover is causing a change in sound?

I did some more listening last night and I can't hear the difference between the two speakers.

I called my local dealer to get a price and they said they would have to call Paradigm to find out.


A dented tweeter, depending on the severity of the dent will certainly effect dispersion around the room to be certain and may have a large change in response.

To know exactly you would proably have to measure it with equipment and software like REW.... and in multiple spots around the room or outside... replacing it would be the best thing to do and not waste your time wondering...

Can't think of any stand that would fit a speaker of the size magnitude the likes of the 690 or C5, I built a custom riser that fit that height and width.

Here's an option from Salamander.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/mkr12162/StereoPics090.jpg

^^^^^nice stand...I have a Salamander audio rack and they are pricey, but well worth it imo:)

A rock and a hard place....

I have an option to get a lightly used pair of studio 100 v4.
I currently have studio v5 (20's, cc-590). I was planning to buy the 100's V5 but for 1k less I can get the V4's.

I'd like to know the actual differences in sound quality between these two speakers (if any?) and how they would mate with my existing speakers.

Your thoughts, opinions appreciated, as always.

I just ordered the Paradigm Cinema 90 that was on Amazon. These will replace an old Infinity 450 set that was occupying my bedroom. These appear to be bigger than the Infinity's, so I'm concerned about the WAF. Can anyone recommend mounts or even shelving. I scanned the thread looking for set-ups, but didn't see anyone with a Cinema 90 setup.

Didn't plan on ordering speakers today, but excited to upgrade. They should pair nicely with my Pioneer Elite.

I found out today I have a nice chunk of bonus money coming in a few weeks but I am not sure where to put the $$$. I have a set of v4 Studio 40s and CC590. In the rear I have an old set of Atoms and for a sub I have a DSP 3200. I use the system for 50/50 music/HT. Should I swap the Atoms for a pair of Studio 10's or sell the DSP 3200 for a Sub 12? The Studio 10's would be an improvement for music but the Sub 12 would benefit HT. I guess this is a good problem to have all things considered.

A rock and a hard place....

I have an option to get a lightly used pair of studio 100 v4.
I currently have studio v5 (20's, cc-590). I was planning to buy the 100's V5 but for 1k less I can get the V4's.

I'd like to know the actual differences in sound quality between these two speakers (if any?) and how they would mate with my existing speakers.

Your thoughts, opinions appreciated, as always.

Get the V5's. They are a nice improvement over the V4's. Not to mention, would be a much better timbre match.

I found out today I have a nice chunk of bonus money coming in a few weeks but I am not sure where to put the $$$. I have a set of v4 Studio 40s and CC590. In the rear I have an old set of Atoms and for a sub I have a DSP 3200. I use the system for 50/50 music/HT. Should I swap the Atoms for a pair of Studio 10's or sell the DSP 3200 for a Sub 12? The Studio 10's would be an improvement for music but the Sub 12 would benefit HT. I guess this is a good problem to have all things considered.

Replace the sub. You probably won't notice much of a difference between the Atoms and the S10's.

Now, if you said you were going to sell your front stage, and upgrade, that would be a whole 'nother story!

Studio 40V5's with a CC590V5 would be a much more worthy upgrade. You'd even have enough (assuming here) for something a ULS15 from HSU which will knock your socks off for both music and movies.

Studio 40V5's with a CC590V5


?????? 40 .v5's....

Noticed that also the 40's have been discontinued.

Was just wondering if anyone has heard the new SE models yet? Might take a look at these.

Hi all, I have a very general question that I'm hoping someone can give me some good input on. My current setup consists of the following:

Paradigm Studio 100 V4
Paradigm Signature W5 C Center
PSB 400 rear (soon to be replaced to Paradigm Signature ADP3)
PSB sub (to be replaced in the future)

All are being driven by my Denon AVR-4308CI. My question is, will I really benefit from adding external amplifiers into my system such as an Anthem A2 (two channel x 200watt) for the fronts etc. The main use of this system is for HT and we mainly watch movies on it. I play music on weekends but at low levels.

Will adding external amps make the speakers sound better (cleaner power than the Denon), and is this justified if I am not cranking the power to them?

Your thoughts are really appreciated.

Thanks in advance all!

I think you know the answer to that one before you asked it.. Sure adding an external amp is going to sound better with your 100s compared to the Denon. Also lighten the load on your Denon when you run surrounds from it. Personally maybe being cheap I take the XPA-5 and run 5 speakers from the amp. You can get the amp, save some money, and power 5 speakers. Just a thought. EMotiva Amps are on sale at the moment. XPA-5 going for $700 now.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1105298