But, if you still feel the need for louder dialog, I know that many sources have a dialog enhancement feature. This is definately an option in the PS3. Plus, I think some AVR's may even have a seperate dialog enhancement feature. Check it out...

Dynamic Volume/EQ sort of does that automatically with the room's acoustic properties "in mind". (You can't use D. Volume without D. EQ engaged.)

BTW, this may seem like a dumb question. But is there a way to "confirm" for sure it's the tweeter? Dealer wants me to ship the tweeter back, but I want to confirm it's the tweeter and not say the woofer or something else?

When I run a test tone and put my ear to the woofer vs. tweeter, it "seems" like the distorted sound is coming from almost in between the two, but slightly more pronounced as my ear approaches the tweeter.

Would a cross-over issue also cause this?

I'm going to try calling Paradigm tomorrow to see if I can just bring the speaker there given how close they are. But apparently they may not allow this and force customers to deal through their dealer network (makes sense I guess).

A bad tweeter is easily identified, easier with music as cymbals sound like static (high pitched distortion) instead of a cymbal. Which speaker was it L/R/C ? If it was a center, move it to the L/R and listen to it, should be fairly obvious if it's a tweet and your highs sound like garbage.. :)

I bought one of the new special editions center channels, got it the day ofter Christmas for 20% off of $500. Being this is my first Paradigm, and I'm using it with a set of Orb bookshelves, and I'm a newbie at this, I can't really comment too much on it other than I like it a lot. It is a beautiful speaker in piano black. Can't wait to get some se bookshelves to go with it.

Question for you - It's sitting in my entertainment center on a shelf under the tv that wasn't tall enough to hold it so I have the shelf propped up for now. Would it hurt either the TV or the center channel if I put the TV, a 40" XBR6, directly on top of the speaker without the wood in between them?? Would the vibration over time hurt the LCD tv? I would think the cc would be strong enough to hold the tv.

I would not recommend placing the TV on it !!!! Post a pic and we'll have some suggestions !!!!

Just play only the speaker in question with some material you're familiar with, it should be obvious if there's no treble. If it's distorting you might have to put your ear up to the tweeter. Generally though, they just don't work.

To determine if it's the crossover, swap tweeters with the one that does work.

Always check for loose speaker connections, frayed wires and stuff by switching the speaker in question to one of the channels that you know has no problem.

There's definitely sound coming from the tweeters. Will try moving the speaker cable from the CC (which works fine) to the right front (which is the problem speaker) to see what that does. PIA, given how tight the cables are to move as the speaker is pretty close to the back wall! But beats shipping the wrong speaker/tweeter!

A bad tweeter is easily identified, easier with music as cymbals sound like static (high pitched distortion) instead of a cymbal. Which speaker was it L/R/C ? If it was a center, move it to the L/R and listen to it, should be fairly obvious if it's a tweet and your highs sound like garbage.. :)

It's the right front...

Swapped the speaker wire with the CC, same sound.

... and think it's actually the woofer. Played some Rush at a low volume, cymbals sounded more or less fine. But seemed to be distortion during some of the drum scenes. It's odd as it's not all the drums. But in any event, when I lightly press on the woofer the distortion goes away somewhat (but obviously the sound is muffled).

Tweeters sound fine and the extreme distorted sound goes away. Wonder if T Salvation somehow did damage to the woofers? Wouldn't think so as I cross at 80hz and had just checked the speaker SPL's with my Galaxy SPL meter to ensure everything was at 75db.

Argh. Frustrating. If I do have to ship, it's a much heavier component of the speaker!

I would not recommend placing the TV on it !!!! Post a pic and we'll have some suggestions !!!!


Here's my dilemma, as you can see the wood shelf isn't attached. The base of the tv is about the same size as the speaker. Maybe if I put some felt on the speaker under the tv? Notice the homemade itouch docking station next to the receiver to stream Slacker radio app and the Sony HD tuner. Sorry for the large size, I'll edit out the photo later.

http://i850.photobucket.com/albums/ab67/kellerite/026.jpg

Swapped the speaker wire with the CC, same sound.

... and think it's actually the woofer. Played some Rush at a low volume, cymbals sounded more or less fine. But seemed to be distortion during some of the drum scenes. It's odd as it's not all the drums. But in any event, when I lightly press on the woofer the distortion goes away somewhat (but obviously the sound is muffled).

Tweeters sound fine and the extreme distorted sound goes away. Wonder if T Salvation somehow did damage to the woofers? Wouldn't think so as I cross at 80hz and had just checked the speaker SPL's with my Galaxy SPL meter to ensure everything was at 75db.

Argh. Frustrating. If I do have to ship, it's a much heavier component of the speaker!

Hmmm, also check that the allen bolts aren't loose on the driver/s and that you're not getting "chuffing" from a bad driver seal to the cabinet.

I've seen that before, and also seen the rubber surrounds come loose from the cone or basket. Both would likely sound the same.

Swapped the speaker wire with the CC, same sound.

... and think it's actually the woofer. Played some Rush at a low volume, cymbals sounded more or less fine. But seemed to be distortion during some of the drum scenes. It's odd as it's not all the drums. But in any event, when I lightly press on the woofer the distortion goes away somewhat (but obviously the sound is muffled).

Tweeters sound fine and the extreme distorted sound goes away. Wonder if T Salvation somehow did damage to the woofers? Wouldn't think so as I cross at 80hz and had just checked the speaker SPL's with my Galaxy SPL meter to ensure everything was at 75db.

Argh. Frustrating. If I do have to ship, it's a much heavier component of the speaker!

I had a similar problem before with my older CC-390 - it sounded distorted especially on louder vocals - and it turned out to be an intermittent midrange driver... try putting your ear right up to the driver and then put a little pressure around the rubber rim of the driver. When I did that it played straight and but as soon as I let go it started to cut out again. It would not work for awhile at times then on louder peaks I could hear a static noise from the driver. If it is the same problem I had mine replaced within a couple of weeks and even got to borrow a speaker from the dealer while waiting. I understand you would have to ship it so I hope Paradigm would be able to just do it for you.


edit: sorry just noticed you already mentioned pressing lightly on the driver

Thanks guys. Tried tightening the allen screws a bit, no luck with the sound though. Hard to believe the woofer would blow on these. Guess it can happen to any speaker though, maybe a malfunctioning woofer to begin with that finally gave way?

Darn it, not going to be able to watch the season premiere of 24 in Signature sound!

Got my Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 system(11's,adp-390's,cc-290,dsp-3200) couple days ago and so far they are amazing and a huge upgrade to what i had before(htib lol) just wondering about the break in period for them? Some say 100 hours is that correct and can I turn my system up between medium to high or do I have to wait 100 hours??? I have turned them up a couple times but I am worried about the break in.....any info appreciated thx

Darn it, not going to be able to watch the season premiere of 24 in Signature sound!

Now that sucks!

Got my Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 system(11's,adp-390's,cc-290,dsp-3200) couple days ago and so far they are amazing and a huge upgrade to what i had before(htib lol) just wondering about the break in period for them? Some say 100 hours is that correct and can I turn my system up between medium to high or do I have to wait 100 hours??? I have turned them up a couple times but I am worried about the break in.....any info appreciated thx

Nothing to worry about. Just don't turn them up so loud they distort. "Break in" just refers to reaching the hours where they've "loosened up" to the point where they're going to stay. It's often suggested not to do any critical listening until then.

Thanks guys. Tried tightening the allen screws a bit, no luck with the sound though. Hard to believe the woofer would blow on these. Guess it can happen to any speaker though, maybe a malfunctioning woofer to begin with that finally gave way?

Darn it, not going to be able to watch the season premiere of 24 in Signature sound!

Damn that sucks... were those the used from Florida?

If you go to their miss plant they should repair it no problem, just gonna have to pay for it without the warranty :(

Anyone have a pair of bookshelf speakers for sale?

:D

Nothing to worry about. Just don't turn them up so loud they distort. "Break in" just refers to reaching the hours where they've "loosened up" to the point where they're going to stay. It's often suggested not to do any critical listening until then.

Just wondering about one of my Monitor 11 speaker....the bottom bass rubber diaphram or whatever is not perfectly smooth like the other 11 speaker....there is about a 1 inch part on the bottom of the rubber that is a little bubbly so I was wondering if that is going to be a problem and if I should get a new Monitor 11 speaker since I just got it and have 5 years warranty on it.....the dealer probly wouldnt accept it though would they?

Just wondering about one of my Monitor 11 speaker....the bottom bass rubber diaphram or whatever is not perfectly smooth like the other 11 speaker....there is about a 1 inch part on the bottom of the rubber that is a little bubbly so I was wondering if that is going to be a problem and if I should get a new Monitor 11 speaker since I just got it and have 5 years warrant on it.....the dealer probly wouldnt accept it though would they?

Your brand new speakers should be in brand new condition. Phone up the dealer and tell them you're not too happy with the condition of one of your new speakers. Maybe you'll get a new one, maybe they'll get you a new driver, so you can just pop the old out and pop the new one in.

If you're dealing with Laser Tech, I imagine they'll treat you pretty good.

Your brand new speakers should be in brand new condition. Phone up the dealer and tell them you're not too happy with the condition of one of your new speakers. Maybe you'll get a new one, maybe they'll get you a new driver, so you can just pop the old out and pop the new one in.

If you're dealing with Laser Tech, I imagine they'll treat you pretty good.

I will be dealing with Audio 5.1 so hopefully they will give me good service! I might call to see what they say since it will bug me unless I get a new monitor 11 speaker but what does the warranty cover? Still sounds good

Damn that sucks... were those the used from Florida?

If you go to their miss plant they should repair it no problem, just gonna have to pay for it without the warranty :(

Nope, bought them new from Chicago.

Bringing them in to the Paradigm service center tomorrow morning.

Any recommendation on getting just a FR/FL/C, and perhaps Sub, of the Cinema line? I have a friend who doesn't need surrounds, but does need the three fronts, and budget is around Cinema level. And they need to be wall mounted.

Thanks!

Any recommendations? Or am I out of luck?

Any recommendations? Or am I out of luck?

Budget?
Room Size?
% HT or Music?

Budget?
Room Size?
% HT or Music?
This is for a friend. He's settled in on the Cinema line, but I'm trying to see if I can get a FL/FR/C for him, versus the whole set, since that's all he needs.

And it needs to be wall mounted.

This is for a friend. He's settled in on the Cinema line, but I'm trying to see if I can get a FL/FR/C for him, versus the whole set, since that's all he needs.

And it needs to be wall mounted.i have the cinema 330's love them for movies and music, they are just a really good speaker. just get a nice 10" sub

I love my studio 100's

i have the cinema 330's love them for movies and music, they are just a really good speaker. just get a nice 10" sub

Can you get them piece-meal, or only as a 5.1 set? If so, do you have a link to the pricing?

Hey guys, I have to chance to pick up the Studio 100 v4 tower speakers and the cc 690
for $3000cdn. They're used but MINT almost brand new. Should I jump on this deal or try to bargain to $2500? Or get the new V5s.

Thanks

Can you get them piece-meal, or only as a 5.1 set? If so, do you have a link to the pricing?

MSRP for the Cinema 330 is $349 each.

Here's a May 2009 MSRP price list that includes both U.S.A. and Canadian pricing.

http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1905665&postcount=91

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I just bought three Special Edition 3s as my LCRs. Should have them in a couple days! :D

please post pics and a review when you get those SE's!!!

I'm currently thinking about upgrading my speakers (paradigm studio v2) and was curious on ballpark prices for used Paradigm S6, C5, ADP1 and ADP3 version 2. I saw that Audiogon has a used S6 v2 with some minor cabinet damage for $3800 and a C5 v2 for $2500. Do these prices seem reasonable? Thanks in advance.

I'm currently thinking about upgrading my speakers (paradigm studio v2) and was curious on ballpark prices for used Paradigm S6, C5, ADP1 and ADP3 version 2. I saw that Audiogon has a used S6 v2 with some minor cabinet damage for $3800 and a C5 v2 for $2500. Do these prices seem reasonable? Thanks in advance.

The Signature v.3 lineup (prices shown are cherry finish, U.S. FMV):
S1 G-PAL - Two-driver 2-way compact bookshelf, G-PAL (gold-plated, pure-aluminum) domes - $599/ea
S1 P-Be - Two-driver 2-way compact bookshelf, P-Be (pure beryllium) domes - $799/ea
S2 - Two driver 2-way bookshelf - $1,299/ea
S6 - Four-driver 3-way floorstanding - $2,599/ea
S8 - Six-driver 3-way floorstanding - $3,499/ea
C1 G-PAL - Four-driver 3-way center, G-PAL (gold-plated pure-aluminum) domes - $1,099/ea
C1 P-Be - Four-driver 3-way center, P-Be (pure beryllium) domes - $1,299/ea
C3 - Four-driver 3-way center - $1,999/ea
C5 - Six-driver 3.5-way center - $3,499/ea
ADP1 G-PAL - Five-driver 3-way surround, G-PAL (gold-plated pure-aluminum) domes - $999/ea
ADP1 P-Be - Five-driver 3-way surround, P-Be (pure beryllium) domes - $1,299/ea
ADP3 - Five driver 3-way surround - $1,599/ea

Would the Paradigm Atom system (Atom x 2, ADP-190 x 2, CC-190), go well with the Yamaha RXV765 receiver?

ABMagFab wrote: My friend needs a front end.................And it needs to be wall mounted.

Why?

i love my studio 100's
+1 love! Love!

I'm currently thinking about upgrading my speakers (paradigm studio v2) and was curious on ballpark prices for used Paradigm S6, C5, ADP1 and ADP3 version 2. I saw that Audiogon has a used S6 v2 with some minor cabinet damage for $3800 and a C5 v2 for $2500. Do these prices seem reasonable? Thanks in advance.

don't know about the prices, but another place to look is spearit sound out of boston/northampton MA.

they have had both new and demo sig v2s on their site for a while, and they're an authorized dealer. they have a great new/demo/refurb section for electronics too.

http://www.spearitsound.com/specials.htm

Well first off I can get this set up for $1000. All BRAND NEW.

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema 110 L/R Speakers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 110 Center Speaker
1 x Cinema 110 CT Subwoofer

What do you guys think? I listened to these speakers today locally and was pretty impressed. I think this would make a pretty good 7.1 setup, what do you guys think?

Well first off I can get this set up for $1000. All BRAND NEW.

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema 110 L/R Speakers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 110 Center Speaker
1 x Cinema 110 CT Subwoofer

What do you guys think? I listened to these speakers today locally and was pretty impressed. I think this would make a pretty good 7.1 setup, what do you guys think?i would change the center to the 330

Now im actually thinking of changing the setup back to a 5.1 with a better sub and center.

Im thinking of this:

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 220 Center Speaker
1 x Elemental Design A2-300 Subwoofer

Would the Paradigm Atom system (Atom x 2, ADP-190 x 2, CC-190), go well with the Yamaha RXV765 receiver?

Yes, quite well in fact.

Now im actually thinking of changing the setup back to a 5.1 with a better sub and center.

Im thinking of this:

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 220 Center Speaker
1 x Elemental Design A2-300 Subwoofer

Agree with the upgrade of the sub and cc. Much more important than the additonal surround/rear speakers IMO.

Definitely the two biggest areas to spend your money for HT.

Pretty darn good service. Sitting here at the parts and service dept watching them replace my midrange/woofer.

Cool. Don't need to make two trips!

Well, got to the P&S dept at 8:40. Gave one guy my speaker who said "they'd call me with whatever is wrong". As I was filling out paper work a young guy asked if I was the guy who called yesterday, I said yes. He says "give me 10 minutes and I'll see if we can fix your speaker on the spot". Hooked it up, heard the woofer, went into the second aisle, grabbed a box, replaced the woofer, 20 minutes later, I'm driving downtown to work.

Sweet. Thankfully I ran into that guy as he replaced it on the spot with no questions asked. Great service.

Good thing I only watched the first hour of 24, can watch the second hour in Signature sound once again. All is right in the world. :D

Newb here.

Im currently debating on which to buy;
Studio 60's or Monitor 9's?

I currently have a Denon 3310CI. Would I have to get an external AMP to make the Studio 60's sound the way they are suppose to?

Thanks
Chris

Newb here.

Im currently debating on which to buy;
Studio 60's or Monitor 9's?

I currently have a Denon 3310CI. Would I have to get an external AMP to make the Studio 60's sound the way they are suppose to?

Thanks
Chrisstudio 60' v.5 has a Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 92 / 89 dB they should not have a problem with your denon

Newb here.

Im currently debating on which to buy;
Studio 60's or Monitor 9's?

I currently have a Denon 3310CI. Would I have to get an external AMP to make the Studio 60's sound the way they are suppose to?

Thanks
Chris

I think the 3310 would be fine as mentioned above, the Studio's are fairly efficient.

The Monitor 9's are considerably more efficient (96db?), but 92db in room is nothing to sneeze at either, and I think the step up in sound quality (from their non-reference to reference lines) is the way to go if the price isn't an issue.

Well first off I can get this set up for $1000. All BRAND NEW.

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema 110 L/R Speakers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 110 Center Speaker
1 x Cinema 110 CT Subwoofer

What do you guys think? I listened to these speakers today locally and was pretty impressed. I think this would make a pretty good 7.1 setup, what do you guys think?

Where are you? Is that $1000 US? I just looked at a 110 system and the guy quoted me $945. So for nearly the same price, you're also getting the 2 Phantoms on top of everything else!

Where are you? Is that $1000 US? I just looked at a 110 system and the guy quoted me $945. So for nearly the same price, you're also getting the 2 Phantoms on top of everything else!http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-Cinema-110-CT-5-1-Speaker-System-Home-Theatre_W0QQitemZ350299376938QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Sub woofers?hash=item518f784d2a

Newb here.

Im currently debating on which to buy;
Studio 60's or Monitor 9's?

I currently have a Denon 3310CI. Would I have to get an external AMP to make the Studio 60's sound the way they are suppose to?

Thanks
Chris


Hello Chris,

Like others have stated, you have a very good receiver with a capable power section. You would be easily able to drive either speaker. That being said, the Studio 60's and Monitor 9's are in two totally different leagues, with the 60's being the much better of the two. The fit and finish is much nicer, the soundstage, imaging, highs, bass, everything is better with the 60. If you can swing it, I would go 60's in a heartbeat. The new smaller footprint makes them easier to integrate into most rooms now, where they used to be much deeper and boxier looking.

The Signature v.3 lineup (prices shown are cherry finish, U.S. FMV):
S1 G-PAL - Two-driver 2-way compact bookshelf, G-PAL (gold-plated, pure-aluminum) domes - $599/ea
S1 P-Be - Two-driver 2-way compact bookshelf, P-Be (pure beryllium) domes - $799/ea
S2 - Two driver 2-way bookshelf - $1,299/ea
S6 - Four-driver 3-way floorstanding - $2,599/ea
S8 - Six-driver 3-way floorstanding - $3,499/ea
C1 G-PAL - Four-driver 3-way center, G-PAL (gold-plated pure-aluminum) domes - $1,099/ea
C1 P-Be - Four-driver 3-way center, P-Be (pure beryllium) domes - $1,299/ea
C3 - Four-driver 3-way center - $1,999/ea
C5 - Six-driver 3.5-way center - $3,499/ea
ADP1 G-PAL - Five-driver 3-way surround, G-PAL (gold-plated pure-aluminum) domes - $999/ea
ADP1 P-Be - Five-driver 3-way surround, P-Be (pure beryllium) domes - $1,299/ea
ADP3 - Five driver 3-way surround - $1,599/ea


Keep in mind, for Gloss black, prices usually go up about $500-$600 a pair

Would the Paradigm Atom system (Atom x 2, ADP-190 x 2, CC-190), go well with the Yamaha RXV765 receiver?

That would be a great system for the price there.

I just bought three Special Edition 3s as my LCRs. Should have them in a couple days!
Congrats! I spent some more time with mine this past weekend and last night. They sound really, really good. They were killer on Terminator Salvation. My friends were all like :eek:
I also listened to a bunch of different music last night...they fill the room up so nicely and let you hear every layer in the music. I'm really, really happy with these things. :cool:

I've been looking at going with a 2 channel setup and I've heard lots of speakers. Unfortunately, I listened to the Studio 20 v5 and they are out of my budget (I'm thi. I was wondering what peoples views were on the differences between these two versions.

It seems I could pick up a pair of v4's for 600ish on Audiogon, but I don't quite know how they will stack up to the v5's I listened to. I have no way of hearing them, so I was hoping you might be able to tell me the differences. Thanks

I have the S1, C1, S1 for the fronts / centre in a millwork (70-80% HT/ movies/TV, 10% gaming, 10-20% music).

My seating area (long couch -10-11 Ft) is about 10-12 ft from the TV. The couch is 6 inches from the back wall (due to the radiator jutting out). On one side is a wall -3-4 ft away. The other side is open with the nearest wall about 15-20 ft away (seating area opens into broader living room, dining, kitchen etc. - open floor plan). Windows occupy 60-70% of the space behind the couch.

The rear surrounds can be positioned on stands right behind the couch at the two ends (side positions are not possible) or on the wall-mounted at the two ends of the couch.

Which are the better speakers for this set-up. I cannot (and will not go to 7.1ever here), so can't use the ADP1 in another position. and I cant demo and return them, hence the request for your view/experience.

My concern with the Adp1 is that they will be firing left to right along the wall and the bass driver (which has probably nothing over 300Hz) will be firing forward.

Help!

I've been looking at going with a 2 channel setup and I've heard lots of speakers. Unfortunately, I listened to the Studio 20 v5 and they are out of my budget (I'm thi. I was wondering what peoples views were on the differences between these two versions.

It seems I could pick up a pair of v4's for 600ish on Audiogon, but I don't quite know how they will stack up to the v5's I listened to. I have no way of hearing them, so I was hoping you might be able to tell me the differences. Thanks

The big differences are that v4 had square cabinets, v5 is curved. V4 had plain looking veneers, V5 have much better looking ones. Biggest changes were that the v5 drivers were redesigned for greater output, so the crossover changed as well. The curved design along with the newer drivers gives you greater performance over the v4 imho.

Why does Audeysey set my Paradigm Atoms at 50 hz? It just doesnt make sense! Should I bump them up to 80 hz 70 hz or just leave the settings it comes in with? Help Also Set my matching center at 100hz, I know it goes a little lower then that.

Why does Audeysey set my Paradigm Atoms at 50 hz? It just doesnt make sense! Should I bump them up to 80 hz 70 hz or just leave the settings it comes in with? Help Also Set my matching center at 100hz, I know it goes a little lower then that.bump those pupies to 80hz

I have the S1, C1, S1 for the fronts / centre in a millwork (70-80% HT/ movies/TV, 10% gaming, 10-20% music).

My seating area (long couch -10-11 Ft) is about 10-12 ft from the TV. The couch is 6 inches from the back wall (due to the radiator jutting out). On one side is a wall -3-4 ft away. The other side is open with the nearest wall about 15-20 ft away (seating area opens into broader living room, dining, kitchen etc. - open floor plan). Windows occupy 60-70% of the space behind the couch.

The rear surrounds can be positioned on stands right behind the couch at the two ends (side positions are not possible) or on the wall-mounted at the two ends of the couch.

Which are the better speakers for this set-up. I cannot (and will not go to 7.1ever here), so can't use the ADP1 in another position. and I cant demo and return them, hence the request for your view/experience.

My concern with the Adp1 is that they will be firing left to right along the wall and the bass driver (which has probably nothing over 300Hz) will be firing forward.

Help!

I'd likely go with the ADP's since you're so close to the back wall. If you can move your couch away from the wall more it would be a good idea too. Don't worry about the bass drivers firing forward bass isn't very directional.

I've been looking around for upgrading my paradigm studio v2 5.1 system and was offered the following deal from a local dealer.

Signature S6 V2 demo (piano black)
C3 new (piano black)
ADP-3 New (piano black)

All for $8200 shipped to me. Does this seem like a reasonable deal, or should they be discounted more based on the fact that the v3 is now out? It looks like about 30% off MSRP. My other option is to continue to search Audiogon/ebay for deals as I'm in no huge hurry to upgrade.

Why does Audeysey set my Paradigm Atoms at 50 hz? It just doesnt make sense! Should I bump them up to 80 hz 70 hz or just leave the settings it comes in with? Help Also Set my matching center at 100hz, I know it goes a little lower then that.

Audyssey bases the crossovers on the "in-room" response at the primary listening position. Bass response of your speakers can vary greatly by where you place them, for instance placing them in a corner will enhance the bass output, a cc is usually mid-room and in/on a cabinet so it doesn't typically get as much room reinforcement as the mains do.

Nothing to worry about but, 80hz is what I would set them at as recommended above.

Hey guys, I have to chance to pick up the Studio 100 v4 tower speakers and the cc 690
for $3000cdn. They're used but MINT almost brand new. Should I jump on this deal or try to bargain to $2500? Or get the new V5s.

Thanks

Anyone?

What do you guys think of this setup for a $1000 budget?

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 220 Center Speaker
1 x Elemental Design A2-300 Subwoofer

What do you guys think of this setup for a $1000 budget?

2 x Cinema Phantom Towers
2 x Cinema ADP Surrounds
1 x Cinema 220 Center Speaker
1 x Elemental Design A2-300 Subwoofersounds good i still like the 330 better

Anyone?

If you have the extra cash get the v.5s

sounds good i still like the 330 better

Why do you like the 330s better? have you heard both in person? Just wondering cause I have not heard the Phantoms.

Why do you like the 330s better? have you heard both in person? Just wondering cause I have not heard the Phantoms.yes, some content its hard to tell the difference. but when playing Jazz music they can really shine, my wife likes the fact that she can pick out the different instruments. its hard to go wrong with paradigm your going to have a nice sounding system.

yes, some content its hard to tell the difference. but when playing Jazz music they can really shine, my wife likes the fact that she can pick out the different instruments. its hard to go wrong with paradigm your going to have a nice sounding system.

So do you think the setup I chose would be pretty good? Im looking for an upgrade from my Klipsch HD500 or should I try to get something else for my budget? This set up would be used for probably 80% HT and 20% music.

Anyone?

I just got the Studio 100's and 690 both V5 for $3500/cdn. If you could get them for $2500 I would do it.

Hope this is not a repeat of another post but Home Theater Magazine just did a review of the Paradigm SE speakers and they gave it glowing reviews. Here is a link:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/paradigm_special_edition_se_1_speaker_system/

Anyone have a pair of bookshelf speakers for sale?

:D

I have been considering selling my Studio 40 v.2's and going to floor standing of something. Probably not Paradigm as I think they are out of my price range. I'll be looking in the $1000-1200 per pair price range for floor standing if anyone has any opinions. If I sell my Studio 40's it will also include a matched Studio CC. They are all 9 years old and in mint condition.

I have been considering selling my Studio 40 v.2's and going to floor standing of something. Probably not Paradigm as I think they are out of my price range. I'll be looking in the $1000-1200 per pair price range for bookshelves if anyone has any opinions. If I sell my Studio 40's it will also include a matched Studio CC. They are all 9 years old and in mint condition.

At full retail, I believe 1200 will get you studio 10s (800 per pair) or Studio 20s(right at 1200 I think). I'd definitely check them out.

At full retail, I believe 1200 will get you studio 10s (800 per pair) or Studio 20s(right at 1200 I think). I'd definitely check them out.


I think you misunderstood my post. I'm thinking of selling Studio 40's and going to floor standing. Why would I want to go to 10's or 20's?

I think you misunderstood my post. I'm thinking of selling Studio 40's and going to floor standing. Why would I want to go to 10's or 20's?

Probably because you said ...

...I'll be looking in the $1000-1200 per pair price range for bookshelves...

:p

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Have you considered the Special Edition 3? They would be around the upper limit of your budget range.

I think you misunderstood my post. I'm thinking of selling Studio 40's and going to floor standing. Why would I want to go to 10's or 20's?you shoul look into studio 60's v.4 thats a nice upgrade from the 40's v.2

ABMagFab wrote: My friend needs a front end.................And it needs to be wall mounted.

Why?

Why what? Wall mounted because he has a small room, and needs them mounted around the TV. There's no other space for them in the room.

Front-end only because again, the room is small, and it's not worth tearing up the walls to wire two surround speakers when he'll get almost the same effect with a front-only soundstage (and good sub).

Is that what you were asking?

I have been considering selling my Studio 40 v.2's and going to floor standing of something. Probably not Paradigm as I think they are out of my price range. I'll be looking in the $1000-1200 per pair price range for bookshelves if anyone has any opinions. If I sell my Studio 40's it will also include a matched Studio CC. They are all 9 years old and in mint condition.

That's about what the new Paradigm SE3 floorstanders will cost you per pair...same drivers as the latest Studios.

I just got the Studio 100's and 690 both V5 for $3500/cdn. If you could get them for $2500 I would do it.

Where'd you get it for that price?? Tax included???

Where'd you get it for that price?? Tax included???

I got them at Audiotronic in Barrie. I just checked my bill, I was wrong I got them for $3420.00. I might have gotten a better deal then some people because I've spent a boatload of money there. I called everyone that sells this stuff and no one comes close to the prices there. The price was before taxes.

I just want to check in and say that I'm the proud owner of a Cinema 90 system! Just got a great deal over at 6ave on them...

...but now I have a speaker bug and I already want to upgrade the fronts... I can make the fronts into my surround backs, use the ADP's as the surrounds, and what towers would be good for up front useage?

Probably because you said ...



:p

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Have you considered the Special Edition 3? They would be around the upper limit of your budget range.

Oops, my bad.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=osofast240sx;17963274]you shoul look into studio 60's v.4 thats a nice upgrade from the 40's v.2[/QUOTE

I am a pleased Paradigm owner, even though I haven't had these very long. But I do like to explore other options. I've never heard them but can anyone tell me how the Monitor Audio RS6/8 or the new Rx line compares to the Studio 40's? I'm just curious about what other brands would be comparable to the Studio 40's? I'm thinking if I sell them, around $1000 for the pair and the Studio CC?

I just want to check in and say that I'm the proud owner of a Cinema 90 system! Just got a great deal over at 6ave on them...

...but now I have a speaker bug and I already want to upgrade the fronts... I can make the fronts into my surround backs, use the ADP's as the surrounds, and what towers would be good for up front useage?

You just got them & you are already have the upgrade bug? You're in trouble dude. :eek: :)

Are you using the system for mostly movies/TV? Also, are you going to use the CT system center speaker or are you looking to replace the entire front soundstage? IMO, if you are using your current center channel, towers might overwhelm it.

Can anyone that has experience with the monitor 7 towers and cc-290 center give their impressions? I have been looking at upgrading my existing speakers (very old and low quality) to these but am having a little trouble justifying the price. From what I gather these are an excellent value for the price. Are you extremely happy with them?
Thanks.

Was just wondering if anyone could compare these two speakers. I know the driver difference but my dealer is telling me that the se1s won't sound all that different. I am looking to get one or the other. The prices are about the same if you compare audiogon with the new se1s. Actually the ses would be cheaper and I would get a warrenty. And yes they will be paird with a sub and will be uses mostly for home theater and some music.

Can anyone that has experience with the monitor 7 towers and cc-290 center give their impressions? I have been looking at upgrading my existing speakers (very old and low quality) to these but am having a little trouble justifying the price. From what I gather these are an excellent value for the price. Are you extremely happy with them?
Thanks.


Go buy it! Today! and get Adp surrounds and a new sub. Spend your money!

So question for all...

I pretty much got a chance to pick up anything I want from Paradigms line up [excluding all sigs except S1 pr]

Was wondering if you were me what would you pick up? Besides the obvious Studio 60s/100s is there anything else worth giving honourable mention to?>

IMO, if you are using your current center channel, towers might overwhelm it.thats what the EQ is for.

I just want to check in and say that I'm the proud owner of a Cinema 90 system! Just got a great deal over at 6ave on them...

...but now I have a speaker bug and I already want to upgrade the fronts... I can make the fronts into my surround backs, use the ADP's as the surrounds, and what towers would be good for up front useage?you could go to the monitor 11's you will have good timber matching with the cinema speakers.

hey guys, this question might have been asked already so i appologize in advance. I was just wondering if the cc690 was to big of a speaker to pair with the studio 20 v5? I know they reccomend the 590 with the 20's, but I was interested in the 690 and my budget only allows me to get the 20's for fronts and surrounds. Does anyone have this set up and how does it sound? thanks guys

hey guys, this question might have been asked already so i appologize in advance. I was just wondering if the cc690 was to big of a speaker to pair with the studio 20 v5? I know they reccomend the 590 with the 20's, but I was interested in the 690 and my budget only allows me to get the 20's for fronts and surrounds. Does anyone have this set up and how does it sound? thanks guyswhat receiver are you runnning?

I have a denon 4802R 125w x 7

I have a denon 4802R 125w x 7

In my opinion CC690 needs really good amp. If you use receiver only - buy CC590.

In my opinion CC690 needs really good amp. If you use receiver only - buy CC590.do you own a cc690? you should have ask what volume levels he listens to first before making a suggestion like that. Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 93 dB / 90 dB not too many receiver will have a problem powering this speaker:)

On the 690 thing.

Studio 100s have about the same sensitivity as the 690 and my Onkyo 906 drives them very well at about -20 db from absolute 0 Audyssey calibration. :D

I currently have a 590 and will probably wait to upgrade until I get some Sigs in the room, then a C5.

I mainly use for home theater setup. Both sets of speakers are 2001-ish vintage. Would be clean swap. The cobalt 820 cost a lot years ago...

other stuff
denon 1910
paradigm cc-170
energy take five satellites
energy sub

Are cobalts an step-up? stick with paradigms?

Can anyone that has experience with the monitor 7 towers and cc-290 center give their impressions? I have been looking at upgrading my existing speakers (very old and low quality) to these but am having a little trouble justifying the price. From what I gather these are an excellent value for the price. Are you extremely happy with them?
Thanks.

My local shop loaned me a pair of 7's, along with a pair of 11's, for a week. I have the cc290 as well.
I connected both the 7's and 11's as front A and B and compared/contrasted for several days with music, tv and dvd movies.
The 7's went very well with the 290's. They were very complimentary with neither overpowering the other.

I went with the 11's because I preferred the wider sound stage and deeper bass plus the shop gave me a fantastic price.

Good luck and tell us what you decide to do.

I will listen to the 20's and 690 at higher volumes but not ear bleeding volumes. If i do indeed need a seperate amp will the two speakers match well together? or will they sound off? I had the studio 100 v4 for a short time before i had to return them because they were damaged (long story), but in the time that i had them i thought the denon 4802R did a pretty good job powering them. Anyway will the two speakers blend well together? thanks guys

I got them at Audiotronic in Barrie. I just checked my bill, I was wrong I got them for $3420.00. I might have gotten a better deal then some people because I've spent a boatload of money there. I called everyone that sells this stuff and no one comes close to the prices there. The price was before taxes.

Wow lucky!! Was qouted $4600 with the two towers n centre channel speaker and that's the cheapest here in the metro Vancouver area.

Wow lucky!! Was qouted $4600 with the two towers n centre channel speaker and that's the cheapest here in the metro Vancouver area.

Wow! I was quoted $3273 CAN. before taxes from my local Paradigm dealer for the V5 100's and 690 center. My local dealer must really want my business!

I will listen to the 20's and 690 at higher volumes but not ear bleeding volumes. If i do indeed need a seperate amp will the two speakers match well together? or will they sound off? I had the studio 100 v4 for a short time before i had to return them because they were damaged (long story), but in the time that i had them i thought the denon 4802R did a pretty good job powering them. Anyway will the two speakers blend well together? thanks guysyes they will blend well together

Wow! I was quoted $3273 CAN. before taxes from my local Paradigm dealer for the V5 100's and 690 center. My local dealer must really want my business!

Or just really desperate to make a nickel...

Wow! I was quoted $3273 CAN. before taxes from my local Paradigm dealer for the V5 100's and 690 center.

Yea, WOW.:eek: Are they "hot?"

Wow! I was quoted $3273 CAN. before taxes from my local Paradigm dealer for the V5 100's and 690 center. My local dealer must really want my business!

That's a great price, and since no one else asked - did you buy them or just get the quote?

I will listen to the 20's and 690 at higher volumes but not ear bleeding volumes. If i do indeed need a seperate amp will the two speakers match well together? or will they sound off? I had the studio 100 v4 for a short time before i had to return them because they were damaged (long story), but in the time that i had them i thought the denon 4802R did a pretty good job powering them. Anyway will the two speakers blend well together? thanks guys

I have a Denon 4306 with Studio 100's,690,adp590's,20's and sub 12 and the amp has no problem with them. I did just get a seperate amp for the 100's though because I'm moving to a dedicated HT room and I may want to push them a little bit (more). Those 2 speakers will match up perfect in my opinion. I had the 590 for three years and to be honest there really isn't that much difference between that and the 690.

First time Paradigm owner here and ...

I am impressed. :D

First off, thanks to several AVSers like need4spdnb, J Ritt, StephenMacauley, and Pair4Dimes for their input. It was invaluable because I bought these speakers without listening to them first! :eek: Because my local dealer doesn't have the Special Edition speakers in their showroom, I was able to listen to Studio 20s and Studio 60s there. For my budget, I was considering either the Studio 20s or the SE3s. Compared to the Studio 20s, the Studio 60s definitely "enveloped" me more with their sound. As a result, I chose the SE3s because their components are basically Studio 60 parts but in a Monitor kind of cabinet. In this pic, the reflectivity of the glossy black is easily visible on the side of the far right speaker:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4292391900_1b218f3fca_b.jpg

If there was any doubt about how they would sound, that was soon dispelled once I listened to some Holly Cole Trio, "My Baby Just Cares For Me," which was the same song I demoed the Studio 60s with. I first turned off my subwoofers so that I could listen to the SE3s only. Vocals were nice and clear, piano and bass sounded outstanding. And, as other people often mention when they upgrade equipment, I heard stuff that I hadn't heard before. :)

For anyone considering the Studio 60s, they should definitely try to do an A/B comparison with SE3s. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to, but from what I remember of the Studio 60s, they sound the same ... I suspect that a mouse could starve on the difference. I admit that Studio 60s do have a sexier, rounded cabinet, but it is also bigger cabinet so that may play a part in the WAF. I liken the choice between the SE3 and Studio 60 to the Sir Mix A Lot song, "Baby Got Back." ;) In my case, the speakers are hidden behind an acoustically transparent screen, so their cosmetic appearance was only important in that they had to be small enough to fit in the false wall. It's too bad that nobody will see these speakers because they're no slouch when it comes to looks. Blondes/brunettes, apples/oranges, big-butts/itty-bitty-waists, etc... ;)

As previously mentioned, there is conflicting info about what tweeters are in the Special Edition lineup. Here's a close up pic, so you can decide for yourself. Looks like G-PAL to me.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2790/4291648113_4f7be84048_b.jpg

I'm hoping to watch some blu-ray movies or play PS3 this weekend. But I did watch a couple episodes of Fringe last night. Dialogue from the center channel was nice and clear. And as usual, Fringe had me jumping out of my chair at least once because of its audio-visual punch.

Anyways, I am a very happy Paradigm first-timer, and I would say that the SE3s represent an incredible bang-for-the-buck speaker for Paradigm. And, in my opinion, they should be part of the Paradigm Reference family instead! But shhhh, don't tell Paradigm that or they might raise the price! ;)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4291647119_aa57ef3f2a_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4291649375_88d6def3bd_b.jpg

First time Paradigm owner here and ...

I am impressed. :D

First off, thanks to several AVSers like need4spdnb, J Ritt, StephenMacauley, and Pair4Dimes for their input. It was invaluable because I bought these speakers without listening to them first! :eek: Because my local dealer doesn't have the Special Edition speakers in their showroom, I was able to listen to Studio 20s and Studio 60s there. For my budget, I was considering either the Studio 20s or the SE3s. Compared to the Studio 20s, the Studio 60s definitely "enveloped" me more with their sound. As a result, I chose the SE3s because their components are basically Studio 60 parts but in a Monitor kind of cabinet. In this pic, the reflectivity of the glossy black is easily visible on the side of the far right speaker:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4038/4292391900_1b218f3fca_b.jpg

If there was any doubt about how they would sound, that was soon dispelled once I listened to some Holly Cole Trio, "My Baby Just Cares For Me," which was the same song I demoed the Studio 60s with. I first turned off my subwoofers so that I could listen to the SE3s only. Vocals were nice and clear, piano and bass sounded outstanding. And, as other people often mention when they upgrade equipment, I heard stuff that I hadn't heard before. :)

For anyone considering the Studio 60s, they should definitely try to do an A/B comparison with SE3s. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to, but from what I remember of the Studio 60s, they sound the same ... I suspect that a mouse could starve on the difference. I admit that Studio 60s do have a sexier, rounded cabinet, but it is also bigger cabinet so that may play a part in the WAF. I liken the choice between the SE3 and Studio 60 to the Sir Mix A Lot song, "Baby Got Back." ;) In my case, the speakers are hidden behind an acoustically transparent screen, so their cosmetic appearance was only important in that they had to be small enough to fit in the false wall. It's too bad that nobody will see these speakers because they're no slouch when it comes to looks. Blondes/brunettes, apples/oranges, big-butts/itty-bitty-waists, etc... ;)

As previously mentioned, there is conflicting info about what tweeters are in the Special Edition lineup. Here's a close up pic, so you can decide for yourself. Looks like G-PAL to me.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2790/4291648113_4f7be84048_b.jpg

I'm hoping to watch some blu-ray movies or play PS3 this weekend. But I did watch a couple episodes of Fringe last night. Dialogue from the center channel was nice and clear. And as usual, Fringe had me jumping out of my chair at least once because of its audio-visual punch.

Anyways, I am a very happy Paradigm first-timer, and I would say that the SE3s represent an incredible bang-for-the-buck speaker for Paradigm. And, in my opinion, they should be part of the Paradigm Reference family instead! But shhhh, don't tell Paradigm that or they might raise the price! ;)

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4058/4291647119_aa57ef3f2a_b.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4291649375_88d6def3bd_b.jpg

Those look great. I am sure you will love them for a long time.

Wow! I was quoted $3273 CAN. before taxes from my local Paradigm dealer for the V5 100's and 690 center. My local dealer must really want my business!

Wow I bought mine last April and I thought I got a deal at $1250 each for the same front 3. I'm from the Edmonton area too.. you gotta PM me your dealer in case I ever upgrade to the Sig's - hopefully they'll do a similar discount!!

I got no response on the general board with this post so I thought I would try here
I have been lurking here for a while and decided to ask for advice for speakers. I already have Paradigm ps1000 sub and Paradigm esprit floors for the fronts. I am putting these in a loft room 18 x 15. It has 4ft kicker walls and 13ft peak. I am wondering what would be the best rear speakers to use for rears? I would like to use dipoles if they would work in this setup. I have not decided on a reciever but leaning towards Intergra since my local shop sell these and Dennon. Any help would be appreciated

Wow I bought mine last April and I thought I got a deal at $1250 each for the same front 3. I'm from the Edmonton area too.. you gotta PM me your dealer in case I ever upgrade to the Sig's - hopefully they'll do a similar discount!!
Is it customary to get a "discount" on paradigm speakers through a dealer? Just wondering as I'm pretty sure I was quoted list price for Monitor 7 towers and a CC-290 center channel. I'm new to the idea of purchasing speakers from a dealer so I was just wondering if I'm supposed to just pay list price or if the price is negotiated. Seems like the price for the same speakers varies from person to person in some way.

Is it customary to get a "discount" on paradigm speakers through a dealer? Just wondering as I'm pretty sure I was quoted list price for Monitor 7 towers and a CC-290 center channel. I'm new to the idea of purchasing speakers from a dealer so I was just wondering if I'm supposed to just pay list price or if the price is negotiated. Seems like the price for the same speakers varies from person to person in some way.

It all depends on the dealer. I've visited 4 dealers in 2 different cities this past year and while one quoted close to MSRP another quoted 10% off and the place I bought from which I already had a previous purchase from gave me a little over 20% off the v5 Studios and they were just recently released at the time.

If you are prepared to buy them on the spot let your dealer know but tell him not at that price - from there you can probably work something out. If they won't budge try finding another dealer. Good luck.

Is it customary to get a "discount" on paradigm speakers through a dealer? Just wondering as I'm pretty sure I was quoted list price for Monitor 7 towers and a CC-290 center channel. I'm new to the idea of purchasing speakers from a dealer so I was just wondering if I'm supposed to just pay list price or if the price is negotiated. Seems like the price for the same speakers varies from person to person in some way.

I know the owner of my local HT store that sells paradigm. I have bought quite a few Paradigm products over the last 15 years from him. Paradigm encourages retailers to sell at full MSRP. He says he hates giving quotes over the phone to folks because they will call the next dealer to beat the price and then dealer #2 asks who gave them the first quote and then when they find out they call Paradigm and report dealer #1 for selling below MSRP. So it probably depends on the dealer, how much business you have given them and how hard up they are to make a sale. 20% off is considered pretty darn good on Paradigm.

Correct...depends on the dealer and the customer. I'm a long time customer at my local shop and get very good prices from them.

Thanks for all the replies. Since I'm new to buying better speakers, I would be a first time customer. Although I wouldn't just expect a discount, I didn't want to pass one up if it was the norm either. I really loved the sound of those speakers.

I got no response on the general board with this post so I thought I would try here
I have been lurking here for a while and decided to ask for advice for speakers. I already have Paradigm ps1000 sub and Paradigm esprit floors for the fronts. I am putting these in a loft room 18 x 15. It has 4ft kicker walls and 13ft peak. I am wondering what would be the best rear speakers to use for rears? I would like to use dipoles if they would work in this setup. I have not decided on a reciever but leaning towards Intergra since my local shop sell these and Dennon. Any help would be appreciated

Hello gamehunter,

I would actually do in ceilings if you can run the wire. Having your surrounds at 4 ft high might be a little low and inconvenient walking past them. Obviously, if you do mount them on the kicker walls, you could do the Studio ADP's, or if you mount in the kicker walls, I would do SA ADP in walls. If you go in ceilings, I would do SA 15rs. There are a few ideas, without seeing the room, I can't tell you what would be the best idea. Both Integra and Denon are good receivers, if it were me, I would go Denon because I have never had problems with them. What price range are you looking at?

Just wanted to chime in and say I finally took the plunge! I upgraded from my old Polk Rti100's to a complete Studio setup. 60's and 590 in front with 4 590 surrounds. Can't wait to hook all these up and be blown away! One important question first though, what gauge speaker wire should I use to run these from my Denon 3808ci? Receiver is at the rear of a 15' x 20' room. Thanks!

Or just really desperate to make a nickel...

Possibly, but this dealer has a good reputation for customer service in this area. He wants his customers to come back, so he provides good deals when he can.

Yea, WOW.:eek: Are they "hot?"

Nope. If they were I'd be paying less than that:p

That's a great price, and since no one else asked - did you buy them or just get the quote?

It was just a quote. Gotta wait for a bit more cashflow before making the purchase.

Wow I bought mine last April and I thought I got a deal at $1250 each for the same front 3. I'm from the Edmonton area too.. you gotta PM me your dealer in case I ever upgrade to the Sig's - hopefully they'll do a similar discount!!

I'll send you a pm. A quick dealer search on Paradigms website will bring up the dealers in the Edmonton area. You may have to enter in a few different postal codes to show all of the dealers though. Go visit them and see what they can do for you.

Just wanted to chime in and say I finally took the plunge! I upgraded from my old Polk Rti100's to a complete Studio setup. 60's and 590 in front with 4 590 surrounds. Can't wait to hook all these up and be blown away! One important question first though, what gauge speaker wire should I use to run these from my Denon 3808ci? Receiver is at the rear of a 15' x 20' room. Thanks!


I think 16 AWG would be suitable....I have about the same size room and I was told 16 would be good but the dealer gave me Monster 12 AWG for the same price as 16 AWG so I went with that! I think if your runs are under 50ft 16 AWG is fine and you wont notice a difference in sound unless you go over like 80 ft or whatever.....

I think 16 AWG would be suitable....I have about the same size room and I was told 16 would be good but the dealer gave me Monster 12 AWG for the same price as 16 AWG so I went with that! I think if your runs are under 50ft 16 AWG is fine and you wont notice a difference in sound unless you go over like 80 ft or whatever.....

Yea the dealer told me 16 gauge would be good as well. Just wanted to get another opinion on the matter since I really only feel like prewiring the room once haha! Is there any benefit to a larger wire or does it make the receiver work harder to power it?

Yea the dealer told me 16 gauge would be good as well. Just wanted to get another opinion on the matter since I really only feel like prewiring the room once haha! Is there any benefit to a larger wire or does it make the receiver work harder to power it?
i ran 12 gague for my 15 x 22 theater my fornts are 60 feet from my receiver. if you run 14 you will be fine i purchased mine from www.monoprice.com

Yea the dealer told me 16 gauge would be good as well. Just wanted to get another opinion on the matter since I really only feel like prewiring the room once haha! Is there any benefit to a larger wire or does it make the receiver work harder to power it?

The cost difference is minimal, and better gauge is always better. Just get 12AWG from monoprice.com, and you'll be set no matter what.

Yeah I would just go with the 12AWG wire since you get less resistance through it so the sound is going to be better but its hard to tell unless the runs are pretty long! I would just go with the best and get 12AWG even though 16 or 14 are good as well! :) Receiver shouldnt have to work any harder at all

I'll just get the 12 gauge then. Thanks for the help! I'll post some pics once everything is set up.

That's looking good Dragon... Post some more pics when the screens up.. Good stuff so far

Just make sure the terminals on your receiver or amp will accept whatever size you end up getting. Larger gauges can sometimes be quite the pain to squeeze into the speaker/receiver terminals.

Just make sure the terminals on your receiver or amp will accept whatever size you end up getting. Larger gauges can sometimes be quite the pain to squeeze into the speaker/receiver terminals.

+1 (you said THAT right !) Unless it is a VERY long run, 14 G is going to be fine. 12 G is overkill in most applications and it CAN be a pain to stuff into receptacles on your speakers, so look and be familiar with what 12 G actually LOOKS like ! :eek:

I'll just get the 12 gauge then. Thanks for the help! I'll post some pics once everything is set up.is this new construction?open walls?

That's looking good Dragon... Post some more pics when the screens up.. Good stuff so far

Thanks, Pair4Dimes. I'm especially enjoying these SE3s for music because, up to now, the HT has been primarily used for TV and movies (~99%). It has allowed me to rediscover my music collection.

Click on my sig if you want to see more pics. My initial HT build was in 2006. A couple months ago, I overhauled the front wall and installed an acoustically transparent screen. This week, I ripped out some studs and built new shelving for the SE3s. Here's the finished product with masking panels in position:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2582/4139402909_bda8d25f62_b.jpg

Thanks, Pair4Dimes. I'm especially enjoying these SE3s for music because, up to now, the HT has been primarily used for TV and movies (~99%). It has allowed me to rediscover my music collection.

Click on my sig if you want to see more pics. My initial HT build was in 2006. A couple months ago, I overhauled the front wall and installed an acoustically transparent screen. This week, I ripped out some studs and built new shelving for the SE3s. Here's the finished product with masking panels in position:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2582/4139402909_bda8d25f62_b.jpg

Ahh.. I hope my future HT looks similar :D

Just make sure the terminals on your receiver or amp will accept whatever size you end up getting. Larger gauges can sometimes be quite the pain to squeeze into the speaker/receiver terminals.

Thats why I use banana plugs! haha makes it sooooo much easier to plug everything in! I recommend using them with higher gauge for sure! haha

Thats why I use banana plugs! haha makes it sooooo much easier to plug everything in! I recommend using them with higher gauge for sure! hahabanana plugs from monoprice?:D

i ran 12 gague for my 15 x 22 theater my fornts are 60 feet from my receiver. if you run 14 you will be fine i purchased mine from www.monoprice.com

12ga. is considered good for 50 to 60 feet. Anything longer than that and you should go to 10ga.

Can anyone suggest the best online retailers in the US to buy Paradigm speakers from? They're not at a lot of the ones I'm familiar with...Vann's, Newegg, B&H, etc.

can anyone give me an idea as to how well the SE1's would be as main L/R speakers? The specs don't really look like they have the performance to be fronts while the home theater mag raves about them, I have had one dealer tell me that they were made to be the rears for the SE'3s while another dealer was trying to tell me that they would come close to the performance of the studio 20. And I cant find a dealer in the midwest that will show them on there floor so listening for myself is out of the question, which in my mind is total BS! I have begged my dealer to let me listen to a pair and they said they don't have the room. Can someone who has them or heard them please help me out

12ga. is considered good for 50 to 60 feet. Anything longer than that and you should go to 10ga.10 gague will be my upgrade most likely a higher end wire with a lot of strands.

Thanks, Pair4Dimes. I'm especially enjoying these SE3s for music because, up to now, the HT has been primarily used for TV and movies (~99%). It has allowed me to rediscover my music collection.

Click on my sig if you want to see more pics. My initial HT build was in 2006. A couple months ago, I overhauled the front wall and installed an acoustically transparent screen. This week, I ripped out some studs and built new shelving for the SE3s. Here's the finished product with masking panels in position:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2582/4139402909_bda8d25f62_b.jpg

Dragon that is an awesome looking room!! Are those subs STF-2's?

Dragon that is an awesome looking room!! Are those subs STF-2's?

Thanks!

And good eye! Yes, those are HSU STF-2s. The first one I bought in 2006, and the second one a couple months ago (that's why the HSU decal on the front looks slightly different).

Can anyone suggest the best online retailers in the US to buy Paradigm speakers from? They're not at a lot of the ones I'm familiar with...Vann's, Newegg, B&H, etc.

If you look at Paradigm's website, they specifically state that you can't purchase them online (with the exception of the Cinema line).

If you look at Paradigm's website, they specifically state that you can't purchase them online (with the exception of the Cinema line).how are you liking your 90's

Few quick set up questions. New Atoms, Center, Used Adp 170, Ultracube 12.
Question #1. I sit about 10 / 11 ft away, what spacing would you recommend trying? I think there about 8ft last time I measured?
Question #2 I assume they should be positioned out a few inches from my center and turned in slightly? I guess this depends on the spacing L to r. I have an l shaped couch so I want everyone to enjoy the sound. I sit in the middle I know scrw everyone else. haha
Question #3 I notice sweet spots in the volume level. I assume all speakers have a optimium volume range or sweet spot where they sound best. running these with Onkyo 607. Is there a volume level in which speakers sound there best and start to degrade.
Question #4 Can my Onkyo overpower and hurt my Atoms,etc? Meaning if I was to turn the volume to max? Which I will never do. Most I have went is maybe 3/4 on the receiver.
Last Question... My center was set at 100hz and 120 hz for surround. You guys said to bump the Atoms to 80hz from 50hz it set it at. Should I back down the center to 80hz or leave it? Should I put the adp's to maybe 100hz? Or would this ruin the sound because of Audesey adjustments.
Thank you ahead of time... And man you guys have some sweet setups!

Question #2 I meant pulled out a few inches not a few inches from the side.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2582/4139402909_bda8d25f62_b.jpg

Please tell me you are looking to adopt a married 40 year old man....please...

Few quick set up questions. New Atoms, Center, Used Adp 170, Ultracube 12.
Question #1. I sit about 10 / 11 ft away, what spacing would you recommend trying? I think there about 8ft last time I measured?

Question #2 I assume they should be positioned out a few inches from my center and turned in slightly? I guess this depends on the spacing L to r. I have an l shaped couch so I want everyone to enjoy the sound. I sit in the middle I know scrw everyone else. haha

If you want a wide listening area I'd place them as far apart as you can and not toe the speakers in at all. The only caveat is that you don't want them way out against the side walls. This will cause reflections that will degrade the sound...

Question #3 I notice sweet spots in the volume level. I assume all speakers have a optimium volume range or sweet spot where they sound best. running these with Onkyo 607. Is there a volume level in which speakers sound there best and start to degrade.

Question #4 Can my Onkyo overpower and hurt my Atoms,etc? Meaning if I was to turn the volume to max? Which I will never do. Most I have went is maybe 3/4 on the receiver.

Max input power on the Atoms is listed as 50w and the 607 says it can put out 90w, so if those numbers are accurate yes, you could blow them. But in my experience, the volume will be uncomfortable before you get to that point. As for the sweet spot it depends... It depends on the receiver, the speakers, the listeners, and the room. Experiment with it!

Last Question... My center was set at 100hz and 120 hz for surround. You guys said to bump the Atoms to 80hz from 50hz it set it at. Should I back down the center to 80hz or leave it? Should I put the adp's to maybe 100hz? Or would this ruin the sound because of Audesey adjustments.
Thank you ahead of time... And man you guys have some sweet setups!

Looking at the frequency response specs Paradigm lists I think I would set the crossover for the Atoms and the center at 100Hz and the ADP's at 120Hz. On the Paradigm website (and probably in the owner's manual :)) it lists the +/-2dB frequency response numbers... That's what I'm basing this on.

Dragon,
Congrats on the speakers...glad they were a good fit.:cool:

The room looks great...very warm and cozy! I wish had been able to go the transparent screen route in my setup. While my speaker placement is far from ideal (a few feet in front of my screen), it's not an issue with these speakers since they create such a nice stage.

I just don't see how someone could be disappointed with these things at the prices they carry. When I sit down in front of them and pop anything in...music, movies, or games, I'm all grins. :D

Dragon,
Congrats on the speakers...glad they were a good fit.:cool:

The room looks great...very warm and cozy! I wish had been able to go the transparent screen route in my setup. While my speaker placement is far from ideal (a few feet in front of my screen), it's not an issue with these speakers since they create such a nice stage.

I just don't see how someone could be disappointed with these things at the prices they carry. When I sit down in front of them and pop anything in...music, movies, or games, I'm all grins. :D

hey j ritt it sounds like you really love the se's but I would like to know what your opinion would be on using the se1s as fronts. I would appreciate thefeedback

how are you liking your 90's


I love them! For the small space I am in right now, they are simply stellar. And from the demo I got with them at 6ave, I know they are more than capable of filling up the room I'm going to be putting them in next, so I'm set for now. I'm glad to have great Paradigm sound in such a small form factor.

Once I move, I'm probably going to look into upgrading and getting something from the Monitor line, but the 90's are the best sounding small speaker I've ever heard!

can anyone give me an idea as to how well the SE1's would be as main L/R speakers? The specs don't really look like they have the performance to be fronts while the home theater mag raves about them, I have had one dealer tell me that they were made to be the rears for the SE'3s while another dealer was trying to tell me that they would come close to the performance of the studio 20. And I cant find a dealer in the midwest that will show them on there floor so listening for myself is out of the question, which in my mind is total BS! I have begged my dealer to let me listen to a pair and they said they don't have the room. Can someone who has them or heard them please help me out

hey j ritt it sounds like you really love the se's but I would like to know what your opinion would be on using the se1s as fronts.

It sounds to me like you're being up-sold to more expensive models!

I can't see any reason why the SE1's wouldn't make great fronts in a home theater setup with a sub. They absolutely do have enough power-handling for a typical receiver, they're efficient and easy to drive, and they have drivers from Paradigms reference range (which oodles of other people in this thread are using as fronts). Unless you plan to constantly run them at stupid listening levels, they should be great.

Many, many folks on these forums are running small/bookshelf speakers as their fronts. I went with the SE3's because I wanted something that was more stable (in terms of being tipped over due to my setup, dog, & kid on the way), and I think they look better in my room. Since I'm not running them full range and using a sub, I highly doubt I'd notice much difference vs. the SE3's most of the time under the conditions in which I use them.

If I was on a tighter budget, I wouldn't hesitate to get the SE1's and put the substantial leftover money towards a quality sub. In fact, I'd go that route any day vs. having the front towers and no sub, or having the towers and a marginal sub. I think most people around here will agree that a good sub makes an unbelievable difference in the home theater experience.

As for surrounds, I think people get a little crazy with the money they spend on them. Do yourself a favor and listen to a movie with only the surrounds active (unplug your fronts, center, and sub). The amount of sound going through them is minimal compared to what is coming out of your front sound stage. Put your money into your center, fronts, and sub.

You can get some lesser surrounds if you're on a tight budget, and upgrade later. IMO, upgrading surrounds won't be the revelation that you get when upgrading your L/C/R and sub.

Thanks!

And good eye! Yes, those are HSU STF-2s. The first one I bought in 2006, and the second one a couple months ago (that's why the HSU decal on the front looks slightly different).


Yea I have an STF-2 that I got a couple months ago used and I absolutely love it!! I wish I could find another used one.;) Patience will pay off in the end.:)

Just pulled the trigger on denon 3310,monitor9's,cc290 and atom surrounds.I am now searching for stands for the atoms...who or what is the best deal.

It sounds to me like you're being up-sold to more expensive models!

I can't see any reason why the SE1's wouldn't make great fronts in a home theater setup with a sub. They absolutely do have enough power-handling for a typical receiver, they're efficient and easy to drive, and they have drivers from Paradigms reference range (which oodles of other people in this thread are using as fronts). Unless you plan to constantly run them at stupid listening levels, they should be great.

Many, many folks on these forums are running small/bookshelf speakers as their fronts. I went with the SE3's because I wanted something that was more stable (in terms of being tipped over due to my setup, dog, & kid on the way), and I think they look better in my room. Since I'm not running them full range and using a sub, I highly doubt I'd notice much difference vs. the SE3's most of the time under the conditions in which I use them.

If I was on a tighter budget, I wouldn't hesitate to get the SE1's and put the substantial leftover money towards a quality sub. In fact, I'd go that route any day vs. having the front towers and no sub, or having the towers and a marginal sub. I think most people around here will agree that a good sub makes an unbelievable difference in the home theater experience.

As for surrounds, I think people get a little crazy with the money they spend on them. Do yourself a favor and listen to a movie with only the surrounds active (unplug your fronts, center, and sub). The amount of sound going through them is minimal compared to what is coming out of your front sound stage. Put your money into your center, fronts, and sub.

You can get some lesser surrounds if you're on a tight budget, and upgrade later. IMO, upgrading surrounds won't be the revelation that you get when upgrading your L/C/R and sub.
thanks a bunch for the help Jritt, my plan is to actually move my titan v3 that are my fronts now and replace them with something from either the studio line or se line and I will be having to get a new center to match my fronts. This is why money is becoming an issue because I am replacing all of my fronts and ideally I would like to have studio 20's with a cc-490 but I think I may have to get the se's simply because of the cost issue. The way Jritt and others are talking I do not think I will gain that much the 20's compared to the SE1's. Am I right or wrong here?

OK guys which would you chose?

3x Paradigm Cinema 330 Front & Center
2x Paradigm Cinema 70 Surrounds
1x eD A2-300 Sub

or

4x Paradigm Atom Monitors
1x Paradigm CC-190 Center
1x eD A2-300 Sub

or

2x Paradigm Atom Monitors
1x Paradigm CC-190 Center
2x Paradigm ADP-190
1x eD A2-300 Sub

Which set up is better?

3x Paradigm Cinema 330 L/R/C
2x Paradigm Cinema 70 Surrounds
1x eD A2-300 Sub

or

2x Paradigm Monitor 7
1x Paradigm CC-190
2x Paradigm ADP-190
1x eD A2-300 Sub
(If I go this route I will have to buy the ADP-190s later when fund become available)

I have a feeling most of you are going to say the monitor series....Now my question is....Are they worth $500 more then the Cinema setup?the cinema series is part of the monitor series. you will get more mid bass out of the monitor 7/cc190/adp190
I would change that sub to the paradigm DSP3100/3200/3400 or sub SE only because you can use the PBK perfect bass kit. http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/subwoofer-paradigmperfectbasskit(pbk1)-pbk1-model-5-30-4-26.paradigm

OK guys which would you chose?

3x Paradigm Cinema 330 Front & Center
2x Paradigm Cinema 70 Surrounds
1x eD A2-300 Sub

or

4x Paradigm Atom Monitors
1x Paradigm CC-190 Center
1x eD A2-300 Sub

or

2x Paradigm Atom Monitors
1x Paradigm CC-190 Center
2x Paradigm ADP-190
1x eD A2-300 Sub

I own the last pick only I found used adp 170 for $175 and bought a new Ultracube 12. I have a large room and its plenty for me. The gf is always telling me to turn it down so it plays loud enough to make her mad and my neighbor in my townhouse. I really like the way the Atoms sound, the center channel is'nt bad as well. I just looked and I paid $255 for my pair of Atoms.
SIDE Note: My dad has the monitor 7's, same cc and new adp, no sub yet. For the money I really love the Atoms. I mean for the price whats going to be better. I own an onkyo 607 receiver and lg 390 br player as well.

Sub Wise - I dont really agree with the DSP I think they sounded crappy the 3100/3200 that I listened to. I would have went the id route but I needed the gf approved sub. Hence the Ultracube. Dont care about size look ID and save money. As far as the PBK - Your gonna pay 250 300 for this which is the same as what your going to pay for your atoms. Doesnt make sense to me. But if you go this route make sure you get the lateest version as I bought my sub in Nov and I cant use the PBK if I wanted to.

ANy questions let me know... I think you will be very happy. THE GEEK

thanks a bunch for the help Jritt, my plan is to actually move my titan v3 that are my fronts now and replace them with something from either the studio line or se line and I will be having to get a new center to match my fronts. This is why money is becoming an issue because I am replacing all of my fronts and ideally I would like to have studio 20's with a cc-490 but I think I may have to get the se's simply because of the cost issue. The way Jritt and others are talking I do not think I will gain that much the 20's compared to the SE1's. Am I right or wrong here?

What exactly is your budget for your LCRs?

Do you currently have a sub?

And, does your setup have room for a matching center channel speaker or do you need a horizontal one?

I will try this again .I have the following on order
Monitor9
cc290
monitor atoms surround
I have a few questions
1-What gauge speaker wire should I use and which sites should I look at.
2-looking for speaker stands for the atoms.I really dont think they are worth spending 200.00 for stands.
Thanks to everyone for the info

I will try this again .I have the following on order
Monitor9
cc290
monitor atoms surround
I have a few questions
1-What gauge speaker wire should I use and which sites should I look at.
2-looking for speaker stands for the atoms.I really dont think they are worth spending 200.00 for stands.
Thanks to everyone for the info12 gague is the standard on this forum, for runs over 60 feet use 10 gague www.monoprice.com
as for stands look on ebay or audiogon

It sounds to me like you're being up-sold to more expensive models!


Many, many folks on these forums are running small/bookshelf speakers as their fronts.

As for surrounds, I think people get a little crazy with the money they spend on them. Do yourself a favor and listen to a movie with only the surrounds active (unplug your fronts, center, and sub). The amount of sound going through them is minimal compared to what is coming out of your front sound stage. Put your money into your center, fronts, and sub.

You can get some lesser surrounds if you're on a tight budget, and upgrade later. IMO, upgrading surrounds won't be the revelation that you get when upgrading your L/C/R and sub.


Very true. Until I got my Studio 40's a few months ago, I was running Polk R10's aall the way around including fronts, and they did an admirable job for their size and cost.:)

What exactly is your budget for your LCRs?

Do you currently have a sub?

And, does your setup have room for a matching center channel speaker or do you need a horizontal one?
My budget for my fronts is about 700 dollars and then I will purchase the matching center. And yes I do have a sub it is a b&w asw600 and my current center channel is a cc 190 to match the Titan v3s. My goal really is to step up the sound quality to something in the studio series by either buying used studio 20s or new se1s and to get the matching center and move the titans to the rears to replace the cheap onkyos that came in an old HTIB. My room is 20x17x8 so I don't think I will have any problems filling the room, I am just trying to get the best that my budget will allow me.

My budget for my fronts is about 700 dollars and then I will purchase the matching center. And yes I do have a sub it is a b&w asw600 and my current center channel is a cc 190 to match the Titan v3s. My goal really is to step up the sound quality to something in the studio series by either buying used studio 20s or new se1s and to get the matching center and move the titans to the rears to replace the cheap onkyos that came in an old HTIB. My room is 20x17x8 so I don't think I will have any problems filling the room, I am just trying to get the best that my budget will allow me.

For a "matching center," have you considered a third SE1? Because that would truly be the most "matching" CC, and it would be cheaper than a CC-290/390. I would consider a SE1 for your CC as long as your space permits. Personally, I would prefer 3 brand new SE1s with a full warranty rather than used Studio 20s (v.4? or earlier?) and a new CC ... but that's me (new vs. used stuff).

And, with your sub and room size, I think that 3 SE1s for your LCRs would give you an excellent soundstage. It only might be lacking a bit if you routinely listen at reference-level settings.

Would it be better to have 3 se's or get the se center? What would be the advantages or disadvantages of each. I personally thought the se center would be better than another se 1.
And I was considering the studio 20 v4s and maybe a used cc490.

Would it be better to have 3 se's or get the se center? What would be the advantages or disadvantages of each. I personally thought the se center would be better than another se 1.
And I was considering the studio 20 v4s and maybe a used cc490.

Here is a very good article explaining vertical vs. horizontal CCs.

http://www.audioholics.com/education/loudspeaker-basics/vertical-vs-horizontal-speaker-designs

The Studio 20s + CC490 could likely play louder.

Personally, I'd go with 3 SE1's instead of the SE center. Here's an excerpt from that article:

"One solution is to completely avoid their center channel and use a bookshelf speaker, hopefully one that’s identical to your left and right speakers. With this configuration, you get a properly oriented horn as well as a much smoother frequency response across the room."

And if you go with the Special Editions, that combo would probably fit your budget better.

need some input. I have had my Paradigm speaker for alittle while. Got my front stage setup but never got around to get rear surrounds. This is used mostly for HT. I have run across someone selling a set of Paradigm mini monitor v6 for 300$ cdn. They are mint. Should i jump on this deal. Adp's would not really work to well as i have a weird living room setup. Missing a side wall. Current set up:

Front: Monitor 9 v5
Center: Cc-290 v5
Rear: None
Sub: HSU vtf-mk2

Thanks for the help. Need to act quickly as these probably wont be available for very long.

Should i jump on this deal.

Are your feet still on the ground? I would get to jumping, that's just my opinion though.

Are your feet still on the ground? I would get to jumping, that's just my opinion though.
yeah i know. i should be all over this. almost seems like a need a push :P. Trying to set something up, maybe i will go get them today if guy is available.

I would jump on this deal if I needed/wanted them.

the cinema series is part of the monitor series. you will get more mid bass out of the monitor 7/cc190/adp190
I would change that sub to the paradigm DSP3100/3200/3400 or sub SE only because you can use the PBK perfect bass kit. http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/subwoofer-paradigmperfectbasskit(pbk1)-pbk1-model-5-30-4-26.paradigm

What do you mean the Cinema series is part of the Monitor series? They are separate lines under Paradigm.

The Monitor series consist of: Atom, Minis, Titans, 7s, 9s and 11s.

The Cinema series consist of: 70s, 90s, Micros, 110s, 220s, Phantoms and 330s.

Well that was quick i got the mini monitor's. Like i told the GF for 300$ cdn can't really go wrong. listen to them a little, pretty impressed for their size. The only thing that sucks is guy who stuck on the bumper feet stuck them on all crocked. Wonder if i email Paradigm if the will send me new ones. Now to get some stands.

What are your thoughts on a pair of Millenia 300's for $1100? From the dealer, full warranty, coming from monitor 9's?

What do you mean the Cinema series is part of the Monitor series? They are separate lines under Paradigm.

The Monitor series consist of: Atom, Minis, Titans, 7s, 9s and 11s.

The Cinema series consist of: 70s, 90s, Micros, 110s, 220s, Phantoms and 330s.my cinema 330's have Monitor series engraved on the back. It even says monitor series on the grey boxed cimema speakers.

What are your thoughts on a pair of Millenia 300's for $1100? From the dealer, full warranty, coming from monitor 9's?the monitor 9's sound fuller than the millenia 300's i did a A&B comparison at Titan home theater.

I can't see any reason why the SE1's wouldn't make great fronts in a home theater setup with a sub. They absolutely do have enough power-handling for a typical receiver, they're efficient and easy to drive, and they have drivers from Paradigms reference range (which oodles of other people in this thread are using as fronts). Unless you plan to constantly run them at stupid listening levels, they should be great.Keep in mind that while the SE's share their cones and domes with the Studio series, they do not have the same motor structures, cast baskets, or crossovers.

What are your thoughts on a pair of Millenia 300's for $1100? From the dealer, full warranty, coming from monitor 9's?Here is a review of the 300's:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/home-theater-speakers/716-paradigm-reference-millenia-system.html?showall=1

Just wanted to say hello. Picked up a set of Mini Minitors V3 today to use as fronts for a 5.1 setup. Very impressed to far considering these speakers are 5-6 years old.

Eventually these will be relegated to rear surround duty when I can splurge on a new set of monitor 7's. For now, living in an apartment, and with such a small space these work great. I need more power now though lol

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ryantsi/DSC00683.jpg

new guy here, im running the 11se mk11's and the titans V2, but with a cerwin vega 15 inch powered sub,

Hello,
I need a little input on my decision process here. I'm running the following

Studio 40s v3 L/R
Studio CC v2 CC
Studio 20 v2 SRL/R
Studio adp 470 v3 SL/R

I'm thinking about upgrading to a new studio cc-690 v5. Is the newer version going to work with the 40s? I've yet to find a v3 center channel for sale anywhere?

Just wanted to say hello. Picked up a set of Mini Minitors V3 today to use as fronts for a 5.1 setup. Very impressed to far considering these speakers are 5-6 years old.

Eventually these will be relegated to rear surround duty when I can splurge on a new set of monitor 7's. For now, living in an apartment, and with such a small space these work great. I need more power now though lol

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c30/ryantsi/DSC00683.jpg

You need a bigger TV.

There, you now have justification to buy one. Some guy on the Internet you do not know said you should. ;)

my cinema 330's have Monitor series engraved on the back. It even says monitor series on the grey boxed cimema speakers.

Well I guess somebody should get Paradigm to change the description on their website.

For the Cinema series it says: "Incorporating award-winning Monitor Series technology, Cinema speakers (award-winners in their own right!) integrate beautifully.............".

Saying they are part of the Monitor series is like saying that the SE series is part of the Reference series because they share some elements.

Well I guess somebody should get Paradigm to change the description on their website. i will drop them a email



Saying they are part of the Monitor series is like saying that the SE series is part of the Reference series because they share some elements.not really, like i said monitor series on the speaker it self and in the cinema owners manual.

I just saw this one on ebay. Thought you might want to check it out.
http://cgi.ebay.com/PARADIGM-STUDIO-CC-470-V3-CENTER-CHANNEL-SPEAKER_W0QQitemZ160397444643QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers_Sub woofers?hash=item25586ec623


Hello,
I need a little input on my decision process here. I'm running the following

Studio 40s v3 L/R
Studio CC v2 CC
Studio 20 v2 SRL/R
Studio adp 470 v3 SL/R

I'm thinking about upgrading to a new studio cc-690 v5. Is the newer version going to work with the 40s? I've yet to find a v3 center channel for sale anywhere?

Ok, who has a v5, or v6 monitor cc-390 they want to sell to me for a good price? :)

All this upgrade searching has led me to wanting to upgrade only my center for now. The problem is trying to find one. :confused:

Ok, who has a v5, or v6 monitor cc-390 they want to sell to me for a good price? :)

All this upgrade searching has led me to wanting to upgrade only my center for now. The problem is trying to find one. :confused:http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-CC-390-V-5-Speaker-black_W0QQitemZ260543456249QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers

http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-CC-390-V-5-Speaker-black_W0QQitemZ260543456249QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers

lol, just posted in the last hour. Amazing. Thanks for the link. Ive been searching audiogon, canuck, ebay, and more for days, and you find one on your first try. :p Just bought it! Now, who wants to buy a black v5 cc-290 for $249 plus shipping?

good price to bad the corner is so badly busted. looks like it might have been dropped


http://cgi.ebay.com/Paradigm-CC-390-V-5-Speaker-black_W0QQitemZ260543456249QQcmdZViewItemQQptZSpeakers

good price to bad the corner is so badly busted. looks like it might have been dropped

Yeah, I hate to have the corner broken, but it will be behind my AT screen never to be seen. So I think I will be able to live with it.

I was at the local Paradigm dealer listening to a pair of Monitor 7s and a CC-290 center channel. They sound amazing. I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on these. He quoted me a price of $1,300 for the three speakers ($800 for the towers and $500 for the center). Being new to this, is that a good price?

I was at the local Paradigm dealer listening to a pair of Monitor 7s and a CC-290 center channel. They sound amazing. I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on these. He quoted me a price of $1,300 for the three speakers ($800 for the towers and $500 for the center). Being new to this, is that a good price?not good price you may be able to get into the new SE line for that price. you may want to head over to 6 ave electronics on route 4 in new jersey.

I was at the local Paradigm dealer listening to a pair of Monitor 7s and a CC-290 center channel. They sound amazing. I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on these. He quoted me a price of $1,300 for the three speakers ($800 for the towers and $500 for the center). Being new to this, is that a good price?
Maybe in Canada! The list price of the Monitor 7's are $758 and the CC-290 is 499.

Maybe in Canada! The list price of the Monitor 7's are $758 and the CC-290 is 499.your right but home theaterreview states that they are $649 for the pair
http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-monitor-7-floorstanding-loudspeakers-reviewed/

Yikes. I'm glad I asked. Thanks for the quick responses. Looks like I need to do a litte more homework and then see if the local dealer will match the price. Seems odd that he would quote higher than list though. Makes me think twice about buying from him at all.

your right but home theaterreview states that they are $649 for the pair
http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-monitor-7-floorstanding-loudspeakers-reviewed/
Why doesn't Paradigm just stick the MSRP on their website? I got the $758 price from Engadget:
http://hd.engadget.com/2008/08/09/paradigm-bumps-up-monitor-speaker-line-to-v-6/

Yikes. I'm glad I asked. Thanks for the quick responses. Looks like I need to do a litte more homework and then see if the local dealer will match the price. Seems odd that he would quote higher than list though. Makes me think twice about buying from him at all.paradigm really does not have a list price they call it fair market value and it changes. here is a price list from 08

The new Monitor Series v.6 lineup:

Atom Monitor - Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 5-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $149/ea
Mini Monitor - Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 6-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $219/ea
Titan Monitor - Two-driver 2-way bookshelf/stand-mounted: 7-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $279/ea

Monitor 7 - Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 5-1/2˝ carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 5-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass,1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $379/ea
Monitor 9 - Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 6-1/2˝ carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 6-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass,1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $499/ea
Monitor 11 - Four-driver 2-1/2-way floorstanding: Two 7-1/2˝ carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 7-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $699/ea
CC-190 - Four-driver 3-way center channel: Two 5-1/2˝ carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 3-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome: $299
CC-290 - Four-driver 3-way center channel: Two 6-1/2˝ carbon-infused polypropylene bass, 4-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $499
CC-390 - Seven-driver 3-way center channel: Four 6-1/2˝ carbon-infused polypropylene bass, two 4-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, 1˝ H-PTD™ dome; $699
ADP-190 - Four-driver 2-way surround/rear: Two 5-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, two 1˝ H-PTD™ domes; $249/ea
ADP-390 - Five-driver 3-way surround/rear: One carbon-infused polypropylene bass, two 4-1/2˝ M-ICP™ mid/bass, two 1˝ H-PTD™ domes; $429/ea

*All prices are US FMV. Monitor Series v.6 bookshelf and floorstanding speakers are available in Cherry, Rosenut, Black Ash or the new Wengé finish; Atom Monitor is also available in White. ADP-190 and ADP-390 are available in Black or White.

I need to change out a bass driver on my CC-190. Is it as simple as unscrewing it, unplugging it and then putting the replacement back in? I've never done this before. Is there anything I need to do or watch out for?

Yikes. I'm glad I asked. Thanks for the quick responses. Looks like I need to do a litte more homework and then see if the local dealer will match the price. Seems odd that he would quote higher than list though. Makes me think twice about buying from him at all.dont be mad at the dealer he is in busniess to make money. he may just have a old price list. at full list my dealer will come and setup the speakers. did you get this offer?

[QUOTE=osofast240sx;18006239]paradigm really does not have a list price they call it fair market value and it changes. here is a price list from 08

So their "fair market value" prices can actually go up then? I guess I'm not used to buying speakers from a dealer. On most electronics, from what I've seen anyway, prices typically go down over time as new technology comes out. :confused:

dont be mad at the dealer he is in busniess to make money. he may just have a old price list. at full list my dealer will come and setup the speakers. did you get this offer?
Definitely didn't get that offer. That price was to put the boxes in my suv and drive away. He seemed anxious for me to take out my credit card and buy them. He was great about letting me listen to them and explained them to me. But seemed to be pushing the sale at the end. I guess between that and then finding out the price differences makes me think a little..

Definitely didn't get that offer. That price was to put the boxes in my suv and drive away. He seemed anxious for me to take out my credit card and buy them. He was great about letting me listen to them and explained them to me. But seemed to be pushing the sale at the end. I guess between that and then finding out the price differences makes me think a little.. check out the 6ave.com retail store also into the SE series: http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-offers-special-edition-speaker-line/

dont be mad at the dealer he is in busniess to make money. he may just have a old price list. at full list my dealer will come and setup the speakers. did you get this offer?

I agree. I would go back and try to negotiate a better price. You should be able to get a couple hundred $'s off that price pretty easily. If you aren't happy with the offer you get, go somewhere else.

Here is a link to pretty up to date pricing.

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

I agree. I would go back and try to negotiate a better price. You should be able to get a couple hundred $'s off that price pretty easily. If you aren't happy with the offer you get, go somewhere else.

Here is a link to pretty up to date pricing.

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html
I agree on going back and referencing the other prices I seem to be getting for the same speakers. However that link you just provided actually backs up the quote I received from the dealer. I love the speakers. Just want to make sure I'm paying a fair price, especially since it's a lot of money.

I agree on going back and referencing the other prices I seem to be getting for the same speakers. However that link you just provided actually backs up the quote I received from the dealer. I love the speakers. Just want to make sure I'm paying a fair price, especially since it's a lot of money.

Just keep in mind that the prices on that list are for reference. That's not what you should hope to pay for them. Many dealers will give discounts up to around 20% off MSRP. Good luck.

Just keep in mind that the prices on that list are for reference. That's not what you should hope to pay for them. Many dealers will give discounts up to around 20% off MSRP. Good luck.

according to paradigm those prices are what they want the dealer to sell them for

I am new to the forums and this is my first post. I am wondering if anyone knows of a review specifically for the studio 20 v.5. I would also like to know why the price has gone up the amount it has from the v.4's.

according to paradigm those prices are what they want the dealer to sell them for

Yeah, but that is the same for all MSRPs out there. I would not expect to pay MSRP for anything...unless it was wildly popular.

I think the whole line went up in price with the version 5 as it was a pretty radical redesign (especially the cabinets). I have not seen a review for the 20 but the 10 v5 was reviewed in goodsound and the 60v5 in stereophile. Both reviews were pretty favorable. Hate to sound like a broken record but going to listen to them is the only way you will know if YOU will like their sound.

BTW, I own the studio 10v5 and the cc590 v5 and have been very happy with them. I don't have a large room and have very limited space in my cabinet so the 10s were my only choice in the studio line-up..even the 20s were to tall for my space. To my ears they are a good balance for 2 channel audio and HT. I am driving them with an Athem amp.

I am new to the forums and this is my first post. I am wondering if anyone knows of a review specifically for the studio 20 v.5. I would also like to know why the price has gone up the amount it has from the v.4's.

http://www.goodsound.com/equipment/paradigm_studio10_v5.htm

Just bought a pair of Atoms (v6 in black) from University Audio in Madison this afternoon. Using them for my office stereo system, paired with an Onkyo TX-SR700. They replace my Monitor 5 v3s. The Atoms sound amazing so far!

congrats on the Atoms... I like them as well. Do you have a sub? How are you running them?

No sub yet...planning to move my Velodyne CHT-10 into that room once I get a new sub for my main HT system.

Right now I'm just running the Atoms in stereo mode with the Onkyo receiver, and playing music from my computer via optical output. They sound really nice...they seem more musical and exciting than the Monitor 5s, which to be honest always seemed slightly dull and lifeless to me. The Atoms also seem to have a good amount of bass at the moderate volumes I'm playing them at.

thank you for your reply, I have heard them at an audio store. I really liked them. Was just curious about the changes. I am looking for my first good set of speakers so am bit of a neophyte when it comes to good audio.

I'm looking to buy the Monitor 7's and the cc-290. Anyone know of any dealers in the Chicagoland area? Doing a search on Paradigm's website only gives me 1 dealer and a few installers.

I'm looking to buy the Monitor 7's and the cc-290. Anyone know of any dealers in the Chicagoland area? Doing a search on Paradigm's website only gives me 1 dealer and a few installers.


I have a v5 290 Ill sell ya. ;)

Hey guys, been a long time reader on avs, but always found my questions being asked by other users, so I never posted myself. Anyways, I was just wondering if I could trouble ya'll for some opinions. Coming the end of February or March, I will be making my first Paradigm purchase...

My budget is around $1600 (I'm a poor college student) for speakers. I already purchased the DSP-3400, and am more than happy with it. The source will by my computer (I'm a huge computer enthusiast. Ask for photos:p), but I'm having trouble deciding if I want to go surround sound for the first time, or get a nice set of speakers for 2 channel. I do approximately 40 games/40 music/20 movies, and my room is about 11' x 12', but I will be moving into a larger room about 15'x20' in the summer.

If I decide to go 5.1, I will be getting...
CC-290 v6
2x Titan Monitor v6
2x Atom Monitor v6

If I decide to go 2.1, I will be getting two Studio 20's v5.

Although I know that the Studio 20's are nicer, and I do prefer their sound, I'm wondering what ya'lls thoughts on the matter are? Are the Studio's that much better for music in general?

Thanks :)

If you appreciate the sound of the Studio line over the Monitor line I'd go with the Studio's and start with a nice 2.1 system and add to it as monies allow.

I may wind up doing that, selling my Monitor system at some point and moving up to the Studio line. They sound great.

Hey guys, been a long time reader on avs, but always found my questions being asked by other users, so I never posted myself. Anyways, I was just wondering if I could trouble ya'll for some opinions. Coming the end of February or March, I will be making my first Paradigm purchase...

My budget is around $1600 (I'm a poor college student) for speakers. I already purchased the DSP-3400, and am more than happy with it. The source will by my computer (I'm a huge computer enthusiast. Ask for photos:p), but I'm having trouble deciding if I want to go surround sound for the first time, or get a nice set of speakers for 2 channel. I do approximately 40 games/40 music/20 movies, and my room is about 11' x 12', but I will be moving into a larger room about 15'x20' in the summer.

If I decide to go 5.1, I will be getting...
CC-290 v6
2x Titan Monitor v6
2x Atom Monitor v6

If I decide to go 2.1, I will be getting two Studio 20's v5.

Although I know that the Studio 20's are nicer, and I do prefer their sound, I'm wondering what ya'lls thoughts on the matter are? Are the Studio's that much better for music in general?

Thanks :)

I'd agree with starting with 2.1 and going with Studios since music is a big chunk of your listening and sound quality there is more important there than with gaming.

The thing about the Studio line is it is right up to the edge of where the "law of diminishing returns" really comes into play. That's where you have spend bigger bucks for smaller and smaller improvements. You might need to spend double the cost of Studio 20's to get any significant improvement since you've got a sub in already in the picture. To me that's a great starting point.

I bought a pair of v1 Studio 20s and a MK Sub in 1996 before college. Then I bought a CC-450 and had some junk surrounds. I recently bought 60 v5s and a CC-690. I love those decisions.

Will the Paradigm Titan monitor voice match with a CC-190 Center?

Some people hate these vs questions but it's the only way for me to gauge the way speakers might sound without actually listening to them(I plan to do a listen one day). I just got rid of my polk rti speakers because I didn't like them for music(lean bass, bright highs), they were OK for movies though. Then I heard MA RS6's, which were definitely better than the polks. The highs were a little more detailed with a little less harshness and the mids and lows were in a whole nother league(imo).

So my question is where the studios line up vs teh MA silvers with regard to music? I'd say the highs are my main focus because the polks really bothered me for music.

I'm looking to buy the Monitor 7's and the cc-290. Anyone know of any dealers in the Chicagoland area? Doing a search on Paradigm's website only gives me 1 dealer and a few installers.

We are a dealer for paradigm, we are out in Naperville though, not too far away. Give us a call, we'd be more than happy to help you out.

I'd agree with starting with 2.1 and going with Studios since music is a big chunk of your listening and sound quality there is more important there than with gaming.

The thing about the Studio line is it is right up to the edge of where the "law of diminishing returns" really comes into play. That's where you have spend bigger bucks for smaller and smaller improvements. You might need to spend double the cost of Studio 20's to get any significant improvement since you've got a sub in already in the picture. To me that's a great starting point.

I dunno rnrgagne, to me at least, the Signatures are more than a marginal improvement over the Studios. The top end is much more refined without the "in your face" approach. Mid-range is also a bit more neutral in its presentation. But you of course know all of this already. ;)

Hey guys, been a long time reader on avs, but always found my questions being asked by other users, so I never posted myself. Anyways, I was just wondering if I could trouble ya'll for some opinions. Coming the end of February or March, I will be making my first Paradigm purchase...

My budget is around $1600 (I'm a poor college student) for speakers. I already purchased the DSP-3400, and am more than happy with it. The source will by my computer (I'm a huge computer enthusiast. Ask for photos:p), but I'm having trouble deciding if I want to go surround sound for the first time, or get a nice set of speakers for 2 channel. I do approximately 40 games/40 music/20 movies, and my room is about 11' x 12', but I will be moving into a larger room about 15'x20' in the summer.

If I decide to go 5.1, I will be getting...
CC-290 v6
2x Titan Monitor v6
2x Atom Monitor v6

If I decide to go 2.1, I will be getting two Studio 20's v5.

Although I know that the Studio 20's are nicer, and I do prefer their sound, I'm wondering what ya'lls thoughts on the matter are? Are the Studio's that much better for music in general?

Thanks :)
I hear where you are coming from I just got out of school and I am trying to move form the titans to the studio 20's. I personally would go with the 20's in a 2.1 set up for now becuase it will be a much better investment. You don't want to be me and get titans with a cc290 (like I did when I was still in college 2 years ago) and be wanting to upgrade to the studio 20's. You have to remember even tho you will only have a 2.1 system FOR NOW you can always turn that into an amazing 5.1 system later. Because at that point the most expensive thing you will have to do is get yourself a cc490 or 590 and then add some rears. My vote goes for the 20's! Best of luck!

I hear where you are coming from I just got out of school and I am trying to move form the titans to the studio 20's. I personally would go with the 20's in a 2.1 set up for now becuase it will be a much better investment. You don't want to be me and get titans with a cc290 (like I did when I was still in college 2 years ago) and be wanting to upgrade to the studio 20's. You have to remember even tho you will only have a 2.1 system FOR NOW you can always turn that into an amazing 5.1 system later. Because at that point the most expensive thing you will have to do is get yourself a cc490 or 590 and then add some rears. My vote goes for the 20's! Best of luck!

Thanks for the support! That's what I was thinking. Studio 20's it is then. Maybe I'll be able to pick up a pair of new/lightly used ones on audiogon. Oh, and I know I've read about this somewhere, but has anyone here experimented with replacing the studio tweeter with the signature tweeter? I coulda swore I read a thread about it somewhere, but can't find it to save my life.

Thanks

Hey guys, been a long time reader on avs, but always found my questions being asked by other users, so I never posted myself. Anyways, I was just wondering if I could trouble ya'll for some opinions. Coming the end of February or March, I will be making my first Paradigm purchase...

My budget is around $1600 (I'm a poor college student) for speakers. I already purchased the DSP-3400, and am more than happy with it. The source will by my computer (I'm a huge computer enthusiast. Ask for photos:p), but I'm having trouble deciding if I want to go surround sound for the first time, or get a nice set of speakers for 2 channel. I do approximately 40 games/40 music/20 movies, and my room is about 11' x 12', but I will be moving into a larger room about 15'x20' in the summer.

If I decide to go 5.1, I will be getting...
CC-290 v6
2x Titan Monitor v6
2x Atom Monitor v6

If I decide to go 2.1, I will be getting two Studio 20's v5.

Although I know that the Studio 20's are nicer, and I do prefer their sound, I'm wondering what ya'lls thoughts on the matter are? Are the Studio's that much better for music in general?

Thanks :)

its funny when i went to demo the Paradigm line...mainly the Titans vs. the studio 10s i was thinking the same thing. How good could they REALLY be and are they worth the extra cashola? well after only a few minutes it was obvious how much better the Studio 10s were! i brought all my own CDs and listen to many many tracks

I said to the salesman that when he switched back and forth between the 2 pairs of bookshelf speakers i could actually hear the "square" boxy hollow sound of the Titans in their presentation vs. the smooth, full, tight, dynamic, well rounded sound of the Studios. i wasnt expecting such a dramatic difference! Its tough to put into words but the Titans sounded like they looked so to speak....boxy

I can only imagine the Studio 20s would devastate the Titans even more!!!!!!! KO punch

Will the Paradigm Titan monitor voice match with a CC-190 Center?

Yes that is a very good match.

I can only imagine the Studio 20s would devastate the Titans even more!!!!!!! KO punch

do yourself a favor dont ever listen to the signature S2's or any other signature speaker you will be hooked:eek:

i have an old crappy bose system and am in the process of upgrading it. I purchased a dsp-3100 sub in december and am now looking to upgrade the fronts and center. I am looking at the studio 10 and the SE 1. The price difference for the fronts isnt that bad but the centers is significant. My home theater is a 22 x 22 room with cathedral ceiling. I am mostly buying for home theater with occasional music. Just wanted to get people's thoughts on the difference between the two.

Thanks,

i have an old crappy bose system and am in the process of upgrading it. I purchased a dsp-3100 sub in december and am now looking to upgrade the fronts and center. I am looking at the studio 10 and the SE 1. The price difference for the fronts isnt that bad but the centers is significant. My home theater is a 22 x 22 room with cathedral ceiling. I am mostly buying for home theater with occasional music. Just wanted to get people's thoughts on the difference between the two.

can you stick/use studio 10 as a centre channel ?

can you stick/use studio 10 as a centre channel ?
I dont know yet. I have a new entertainment cabinet that is on order that i wont' get for 3 weeks. Once I get that and put my components in it I will be able to figure out what center size I can accomidate. My 46" sony is on a stand and not wall mounted so i don't know where the 3rd studio 10 would go. How far becomes too far below or above the TV for the center chanel?

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4312660870_4f5601a676.jpg

Pic of my new Atoms serving as awesome computer speakers.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4312660870_4f5601a676.jpg

Pic of my new Atoms serving as awesome computer speakers.

What are you using as an amp? Are you happy with it?

Using an Onkyo TX-SR700. It's a nice setup so far. Have an optical cable running from my PC to the receiver so I can play my MP3s.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4312660886_ae6a48f7d5.jpg

would it be overkill to pair 2 studio 20s with a CC-690 for a 15'x10' room with a HSU ULS 15 as a subwoofer?

I sat in front of a pair of Paradigm Reference Studio 100's today. Holy shiet. IMO Paradigm are the best bang for your buck speaker around. Good stuff!

I've been reading through this forum in the past couple of days, and went to listen to several Paradigm speakers today at a local dealer. My room is 14'W x 12' D x 7.5 H. Since I will not be able to audition these speakers in home I will need some advice from experienced owners. The two set up's that I am currently looking at are as follows: 1) Studio 10, CC-490, ADP-590. 2) Studio 20, CC590, ADP 590. Listening is about 75% HT, and 25% music. I very rarely listen at reference levels, so I question the need for the larger front sound stage. Another question I had was in regards to the ADP-590 surrounds, which I am sure are of great quality, but may be a place to cut cost. A traditional surround could be had for quite a bit less, and I was inquiring about opinions regarding the surrounds. I have read the articles about the advantage of di-pole speakers, but would love a little more feedback. I will be using either a SV or HSU sub, I don't think anyone could convince me to spend what Paradigm is asking for their subs at this point. I would greatly appreciate any feedback!!

While I cannot answer your question about having the larger bookshelves in front, I can help a little with the ADP's. Generally you will get mixed replies, but it seems the consensus on that is that dipoles are great for HT, while directs are great for music.

Personally, when I went to listen to the ADP's-590's vs Studio 10's as surrounds, I preferred the 10's based simply on the fact that they could dig deeper than the ADP's, and because I did not like the reverberated sound. If you wanted to cut costs even more, there are a lot of people who use mini monitors or atoms for the rears, since the studios/monitors are similarly matched sonicly...

Just my $.02 :)

I've been reading through this forum in the past couple of days, and went to listen to several Paradigm speakers today at a local dealer. My room is 14'W x 12' D x 7.5 H. Since I will not be able to audition these speakers in home I will need some advice from experienced owners. The two set up's that I am currently looking at are as follows: 1) Studio 10, CC-490, ADP-590. 2) Studio 20, CC590, ADP 590. Listening is about 75% HT, and 25% music. I very rarely listen at reference levels, so I question the need for the larger front sound stage. Another question I had was in regards to the ADP-590 surrounds, which I am sure are of great quality, but may be a place to cut cost. A traditional surround could be had for quite a bit less, and I was inquiring about opinions regarding the surrounds. I have read the articles about the advantage of di-pole speakers, but would love a little more feedback. I will be using either a SV or HSU sub, I don't think anyone could convince me to spend what Paradigm is asking for their subs at this point. I would greatly appreciate any feedback!!


I've auditioned them as well and would go with the Studio 20's for fronts, CC490 and Studio 10's for surrounds. I like the 20's for fronts as they go deeper than the 10's and have a wider sound stage...they sound great. The 10's, imo, are a great speaker and would do wonderfully as surrounds.
Were I starting over that is the way I'd go and I've been thinking of putting my system up for sale and starting over with the above system.

^^^ so with that being said, should i not pair the CC-690 with the Studio 20s? and would it be overkill for my small 15'x10' room?

I've been reading through this forum in the past couple of days, and went to listen to several Paradigm speakers today at a local dealer. My room is 14'W x 12' D x 7.5 H. Since I will not be able to audition these speakers in home I will need some advice from experienced owners. The two set up's that I am currently looking at are as follows: 1) Studio 10, CC-490, ADP-590. 2) Studio 20, CC590, ADP 590. Listening is about 75% HT, and 25% music. I very rarely listen at reference levels, so I question the need for the larger front sound stage. Another question I had was in regards to the ADP-590 surrounds, which I am sure are of great quality, but may be a place to cut cost. A traditional surround could be had for quite a bit less, and I was inquiring about opinions regarding the surrounds. I have read the articles about the advantage of di-pole speakers, but would love a little more feedback. I will be using either a SV or HSU sub, I don't think anyone could convince me to spend what Paradigm is asking for their subs at this point. I would greatly appreciate any feedback!!

I can't comment on the surrounds, but I'd definitely recommend the Studio 20s too, and if you have space for it, a Studio 20 center channel instead of the CC-490/590. And, if your budget allows, get TWO subs.

^^^ so with that being said, should i not pair the CC-690 with the Studio 20s? and would it be overkill for my small 15'x10' room?I would, just let your AVR eq do the majic

Some information I forgot to add was that I have a unique layout in my 14 x 12 x 7.5 room, in that the sectional couch is against the back wall and raps around to the right wall if you were center seated facing forward. If I place the ADP-590's on a linear plane with where I am seated, the little bit that is reflected off of the wall will actually arrive at me from the font I think. I am pretty sure I would prefer a traditional surround firing at my ear from above, vs. one that I have no idea without a spectrometer for eyes where the sound is going to come from. Can anyone object to that theory?

I sat in front of a pair of Paradigm Reference Studio 100's today. Holy shiet. IMO Paradigm are the best bang for your buck speaker around. Good stuff!

Had mine for three years and still think the same!
Maybe Sigs. in the future.. :D

I sat in front of a pair of Paradigm Reference Studio 100's today. Holy shiet. IMO Paradigm are the best bang for your buck speaker around. Good stuff!

Had mine since October '09 and I am also feeling it! One sweet set of digm's! though I have to agree, it has caused the stirr of wondering how the Sig's would sound compared to these........I may have to find out in a year or so, got to enjoy these babies for a bit until the "boss/master decorator" says its OK to upgrade again - you married guys know what I am saying :rolleyes:

would it be overkill to pair 2 studio 20s with a CC-690 for a 15'x10' room with a HSU ULS 15 as a subwoofer?

Studio 20's - go with a CC-590, unless you plan on demoting the 20's to surrounds in the future and plan on going Studio 60 or 100's for fronts, then get the CC-690 now and dial it back a bit so it does not over power those 20's. That would be my thoughts.

I've been reading through this forum in the past couple of days, and went to listen to several Paradigm speakers today at a local dealer. My room is 14'W x 12' D x 7.5 H. Since I will not be able to audition these speakers in home I will need some advice from experienced owners. The two set up's that I am currently looking at are as follows: 1) Studio 10, CC-490, ADP-590. 2) Studio 20, CC590, ADP 590. Listening is about 75% HT, and 25% music. I very rarely listen at reference levels, so I question the need for the larger front sound stage. Another question I had was in regards to the ADP-590 surrounds, which I am sure are of great quality, but may be a place to cut cost. A traditional surround could be had for quite a bit less, and I was inquiring about opinions regarding the surrounds. I have read the articles about the advantage of di-pole speakers, but would love a little more feedback. I will be using either a SV or HSU sub, I don't think anyone could convince me to spend what Paradigm is asking for their subs at this point. I would greatly appreciate any feedback!!For that sized room, I think the Studio 10 / CC-490 would be great. I own a pair of Studio 10's and they go lower than I would ever expect a stand-mounted speaker to go. And since you'll be crossing them over to a sub anyways, they should be fine in any case.

But if you would want to run them full-range for music listening, you might consider three Studio 20's across the front for nearly the same money (3*Studio 20's = 3*599 = 1797; 2*Studio 10's + CC490 = 2*399 + 799 = 1597).

As for the ADP's, I really like them as surrounds compared to direct radiating speakers. If you were looking to save money, I would consider downgrading to the ADP-390's.

Some information I forgot to add was that I have a unique layout in my 14 x 12 x 7.5 room, in that the sectional couch is against the back wall and raps around to the right wall if you were center seated facing forward. If I place the ADP-590's on a linear plane with where I am seated, the little bit that is reflected off of the wall will actually arrive at me from the font I think. I am pretty sure I would prefer a traditional surround firing at my ear from above, vs. one that I have no idea without a spectrometer for eyes where the sound is going to come from. Can anyone object to that theory?In that case, direct radiators probably would be better, but you do know that having your seat against the wall is about the worst place to sit in terms of getting even bass response?

But if you would want to run them full-range for music listening, you might consider three Studio 20's across the front for nearly the same money...

I second that. A Studio 20 as a center channel is ideal (if you have the space).




As for the ADP's, I really like them as surrounds compared to direct radiating speakers. If you were looking to save money, I would consider downgrading to the ADP-390's.

Or, if you wanted to save a bit more money, consider these Axiom surrounds. They are fantastic, and you get a 30 day in-home trial. If you don't like them, you only have to pay for return shipping.
http://www.axiomaudio.com/global/images/products/large/QS8CherryGrilleOff2.jpg
http://www.axiomaudio.com/qs8.html

I dunno rnrgagne, to me at least, the Signatures are more than a marginal improvement over the Studios. The top end is much more refined without the "in your face" approach. Mid-range is also a bit more neutral in its presentation. But you of course know all of this already. ;)



I was discussing the Studios in context of of what I assumed the budget, equipment and room that the OP was dealing with. The Sigs are double the price and still a great value at that price, but to get their full benefit over the Studios there needs to be a better supporting cast, like front end equipment, IMO.

Sorry in advance if this has been asked somewhere in this thread, but is $640 a good price for a pair of monitor 7 v6's?

I've been reading through this forum in the past couple of days, and went to listen to several Paradigm speakers today at a local dealer. My room is 14'W x 12' D x 7.5 H. Since I will not be able to audition these speakers in home I will need some advice from experienced owners. The two set up's that I am currently looking at are as follows: 1) Studio 10, CC-490, ADP-590. 2) Studio 20, CC590, ADP 590. Listening is about 75% HT, and 25% music. I very rarely listen at reference levels, so I question the need for the larger front sound stage. Another question I had was in regards to the ADP-590 surrounds, which I am sure are of great quality, but may be a place to cut cost. A traditional surround could be had for quite a bit less, and I was inquiring about opinions regarding the surrounds. I have read the articles about the advantage of di-pole speakers, but would love a little more feedback. I will be using either a SV or HSU sub, I don't think anyone could convince me to spend what Paradigm is asking for their subs at this point. I would greatly appreciate any feedback!!

I think you're getting good advice overall. The sub is the key element to reducing the workload on the front L/R's and getting sufficient SPL out of them.
You should consider for predominantly HT that the center channel plays a bigger role, in that they typically steer about 75% of the soundtrack there.

The decision to use or not use ADP's is room and sitting position dependent more so than material driven. Your set up is a bit unusual and it's tough to guess which would be better, I'd lean toward ADP's, but I don't think there's a "wrong" answer here. If you go with ADP's I wouldn't side mount them, I would rear wall mount them so that the outsides are reflecting forward off the side walls and with direct radiators probably corner load them.

but you do know that having your seat against the wall is about the worst place to sit in terms of getting even bass response?

Oh, yeah there's that too. There's often an option with receivers called boundary gain compensation to help with that if you can't move the couch away from the wall. I've never used it so I have no idea how effective it is.

I'm looking to complete my 5.1 paradigm setup in my HT. Because I have a long open style HT room, in ceiling speakers are the best option for the rear channels. I'm hesitant a bit as I don't want to compromise the quality of surround sound by not having rear speakers right behind the couch but it just would not work out well for placement at all so I'm left with in-ceiling as my only option.

Has anyone had any experience with the SA-15R-SM in-ceiling speakers?

I am running 2 studio 60's up front with cc-590 centre channel and sub 15, all V5. These are powered by a Denon 3808.

Your advice is appreciated.

Thank you.

Mark

Studio 20's - go with a CC-590, unless you plan on demoting the 20's to surrounds in the future and plan on going Studio 60 or 100's for fronts, then get the CC-690 now and dial it back a bit so it does not over power those 20's. That would be my thoughts.

That is exactly what I am doing. If you recall I was getting the 100s but due to unforseen circumstances I am moving and the room is very small. So I decided to get the 20s now and the 100s later. The next funny thing is the actual space for the set up is even smaller. Imagine the 15'x10' cut in half..... I am using the wall that is 15' for the tv but it will be in the corner and the set up measures about 6-7' so really and truly the area is actually 7'x10' in a 15'x10' room. Knowing this and knowing that I will be upgrading in the future should I still go the 20 with 690 route? Or would it be overkill?

In that case, direct radiators probably would be better, but you do know that having your seat against the wall is about the worst place to sit in terms of getting even bass response?

Yeah, the sofa position was not my first choice, but there is really no option. We rent a small house, and I had to work around a lot of issues. What I did do was move the sub to the back of the room next to the sectional. When I did the bass crawl method, it seemed to not be a bad spot to put it. The other thing was that I didn't have room on the front wall with speaker stands, and the 50" plasma on a Sanus entertainment rack. I appreciate all of the feedback, I guess if I chose the ADP's or direct radiators, they will get used when we get a bigger place on a 7.1 setup. The decision to get a new 5.1 setup came after the failure of an Onkyo HT in a box. Very bad decision on my part, HDMI on amp crapped out after a year of use. So I went Denon on the amp, and I am not into throwing money away. So I am looking for a really nice set of speakers that I can use when we move in a couple of years. Thanks again for all of your support!!

I'm glad my dealer here in Arkansas doesn't have the sigs. I loved my monitors until I listened to the studio 20s. They were setup on a Sony reciecer with no amp or anything. I was shocked a speaker could sound that good on a non es Sony receiver. They are v3 so I got an ok deal on them. I don't like to buy used because I like the 5 year warrenty. I only paid half so I have to go back and pay the other half in 2 weeks. I can't wait. I'm about to be in the studio club. Where's my jacket?

I'm glad my dealer here in Arkansas doesn't have the sigs. I loved my monitors until I listened to the studio 20s. They were setup on a Sony reciecer with no amp or anything. I was shocked a speaker could sound that good on a non es Sony receiver. They are v3 so I got an ok deal on them. I don't like to buy used because I like the 5 year warrenty. I only paid half so I have to go back and pay the other half in 2 weeks. I can't wait. I'm about to be in the studio club. Where's my jacket?

We get a jacket!!!?;)