Enjoy...extreme22

Thanks buying speakers is so freakin hard to make, because i want the best that 3k can buy, and i am coming from polk audio m20 5.1 set which sounded okay to me but u had to control the bass, so i was so hooked on getting Klipsh RF82 set and then the sales guy should me the Monitor9 and i was like wow, so now i have to upgrade the adp-190 to the adp-390, so i now that is 3800 and i am like am i making the correct buy, going from 4 towers to
to 2 towers and 4 surrounds i am kind of stuck really, not sure what to do,

Just purchase some sig s2's v2's and C1 at over 40% off. There are some good deals out there for the v2s.

I can't wait to get them and hook them up

they really are some great deals out there for the V2s....i was actually wondering if something was wrong with them. I saw some Sig S4s for even less than i bought mine for and i thought i was getting a helluva deal with what i paid. Just wish i had a little more money to pick up the Sig S2s V2 also.......i'm broke now after my S4s and C3.

they really are some great deals out there for the V2s....i was actually wondering if something was wrong with them. I saw some Sig S4s for even less than i bought mine for and i thought i was getting a helluva deal with what i paid. Just wish i had a little more money to pick up the Sig S2s V2 also.......i'm broke now after my S4s and C3.

With a model change - (v.3) you'll always get a lot of people upgrading and there'll be a a small flood of demo gear too as the dealers get the v.3's on their display floors and clear any v.2 inventory.

Yeah and there is certainly nothing wrong with the .v2's either...

I recently bought some studio v5 speakers. I would have considered dealer demo's for the sig line but nobody around here even carries them :(

I am considering a 5.1 setup from the Paradigm Cinema line (mayinly det cinema 90s, as the other in the series have even worse bass extension than the 90), does anyone have any experience with this setup? What crossover do you use/gets deteced by audessey or similar? I am afraid that the crossover will be in the 100-120 Hz range, wouldn't the sub then be pretty easy to localize?

AtW

I used the Cinema 90s for a long time, loved them. I used a Cinema CC-110 as both the center channel and the rear center channel (6.1 setup), Cinema 90s for the fron sides, Cinema ADPs for the surrounds, and the PDR-10 as the subwoofer.

Great sound. I think audessey set the crossover to 100. I could not locate the sub except during the one scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind when the mothership shows up over Devil's Tower. They REALLY pounded the bass in that scene. My entire house was shaking...

I used the Cinema 90s for a long time, loved them. I used a Cinema CC-110 as both the center channel and the rear center channel (6.1 setup), Cinema 90s for the fron sides, Cinema ADPs for the surrounds, and the PDR-10 as the subwoofer.

Great sound. I think audessey set the crossover to 100. I could not locate the sub except during the one scene in Close Encounters of the Third Kind when the mothership shows up over Devil's Tower. They REALLY pounded the bass in that scene. My entire house was shaking...

Thanks for the help,I think i probably will run the 90s for at least four of the channels though, maybe even the center. Has anyone tried to run the Cinema 90 as a center channel?

AtW

Got a quick question. I have a paradigm pw-2200 sub. I just noticed today that it sounds like static coming through the sub. I have it connected to a denon 3808ci. Rest of system is monitor 9's, 170, and titans. Nothing new has been hooked up. Never had any problem with ground loop. I got it plugged into a monster hdp-1800. Any ideas would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

well i ended up purchasing Monitor9 v6 for my fronts and Monitor7 v6 for my backs and one big ass center LOL so i will post pics later once i have set these babies up

scoobygt68,

I'm of the school of thought that for maximum bang-for-the-buck, money should be spent along the following priorities:

1. Subwoofer
2. Speakers
3. Acoustic treatments
4. Pre-amp/processor or receiver
5. Amp(s)
6. Source components
7. Interconnects

...assuming you are bitstreaming your audio. If analog, then source components become more important. You could spend twice as much as the Emotiva amp on a used Anthem or something, and it might make a very slight audible improvement (probably not though), but I guarantee that $1k would make a much more noticeable improvement by spending it on any of the items above it on the above list. I'm not even convinced that separates provide much audible improvement over a solid receiver, assuming you have efficient speakers and you aren't driving your receiver to distortion or clipping.

Room correction software may be even more important than the pre-amp and amp selections. I'd love an Anthem pre/pro, not because I think it can do D/A any better than a decent pre-amp at a quarter the price, but because ARC is awesome.
I would have to respectfully totally agree. I ran my Paradigm Signature S8, C5, and ADP3 system with my $2,500 Denon Amp and then with the D2v P5 and A2 setup and let me tell you there is not even a comparison. I mean not even close to being in the same league. The separates setup is the clear choice for the best sound. Hands down.

I guess it's like walking into a BMW dealership, hoping to pick up a BMW 3 series. After exploring other options and model, you'll end up driving home with a M3 model :) hehehe. And I must admit, the M3 is so worth it over the regular 3 series. I would never buy a non M series BMW car.

I had my budget set for speakers...until I hear about other models and options :) I have to toss that budget out the window now :)

So it's worth to get the Studio 100 instead of the Studio 60 + $1000 other goodies huh?

I think this forum is putting a dent on my wallet :)
Sounds like we share a similar illness in all we buy so do not go and listen to a Signature setup (S8's, C5, and ADP3's). I now have the equivalent $'s of an M3 sitting in my living room especially after my Sub 2 arrives this month. Well worth it I must say. Amazing!!!!!

well i ended up purchasing Monitor9 v6 for my fronts and Monitor7 v6 for my backs and one big ass center LOL so i will post pics later once i have set these babies up


Wow, nice selection...enjoy !

first of all I like to state that I'm not an elctronics expert by any means but I do have a good ear for good sound.with that said I hoped to get some feedback from you guys that are more knowledgable than I.

I looking to upgrade my speakers from some older NHT's and Paradigms.

I presently have an Intergra 8.9 reciever.I looking into getting all paradigms this time.

1st setup: 2 studio 60's
cc 590
4-adp 590's
and the sub 12
2nd system I'm considering:2-studio 100's
CC 690
4-ADP 590's
and a sub 15
my questions are,those who have one or the other or who have heard both what would you guys recommend with the rreciever I have?my room measures 19x21.

also I was wondering what most of you guys think of ordering these speakers online such as from a company like www.audiophileliquidator.net .

thanks in advance!!your suggestions and comments will be greatly appreciated!!
hopefully I posted this in the right thread:D

I would like to thank member Need4spdnb and the_phew for converting me to be an upcoming proud member of the Paradigm family. I have already place my order for Studio 100, Studio CC-690, and Studio Sub 12. I'm planning to get the surround later on as I need to figure out how I'm going to set them up with my current living room space.

It's your all fault the_phew J/K. Thanks for the recommendation.

I can't wait until it arrives. I'm already looking for an amp to power them with my Pioneer Elite 23. If there are any recommendation for a reasonable amp, then please let me know. I'm hoping not to spend too much for an amp - I have seen some of them in the 4K range...way out of my budget :)

This hobby is getting quite expensive for me :) I'm going to cut down with my other hobby in collecting statues.

I read somewhere that you should stay away from them.



also I was wondering what most of you guys think of ordering these speakers online such as from a company like www.audiophileliquidator.net .

thanks in advance!!your suggestions and comments will be greatly appreciated!!
hopefully I posted this in the right thread:D

I would like to thank member Need4spdnb and the_phew for converting me to be an upcoming proud member of the Paradigm family. I have already place my order for Studio 100, Studio CC-690, and Studio Sub 12. I'm planning to get the surround later on as I need to figure out how I'm going to set them up with my current living room space.

It's your all fault the_phew J/K. Thanks for the recommendation.

I can't wait until it arrives. I'm already looking for an amp to power them with my Pioneer Elite 23. If there are any recommendation for a reasonable amp, then please let me know. I'm hoping not to spend too much for an amp - I have seen some of them in the 4K range...way out of my budget :)

This hobby is getting quite expensive for me :) I'm going to cut down with my other hobby in collecting statues.

Emotiva.

Hey guys,I am new to the forum and all your inputs will be vauluable.
I just bought a house and am getting it wired for surround sounds in-ceiling. I guess I could go with in wall but for in ceiling it is. My home theater guy suggested paradigm in-ceiling speakers particularly the SA's or the SIG's and assured me that they will sound good if calibrated properly. While I am not worried about sound quality(I know they will sound great for music) I am mainly worried about movies. Can they be set up and calibrated in a way where it feels like the sound is coming from the TV and not from the ceiling. I am planning to mount the TV on the wall.
Has anyone had any experience setting up such a system and what are your thoughts in retrospect ?

I too finally pulled the trigger.
S6, C5 and Sa-15R (ceiling for the surrounds) and Sub 12.
Anthem AVM 50v and A5.
I could not come up with a good location for the surrounds to match my listening area, so that will be a future upgrade. All on order, so I have to wait awhile.
Question - my dealer highly recommends a power surge protector and filter system for about $500 to $1000. What are your thoughts on it for this system? (I will post on the receiver site also).
Thanks for all your help and comments which lead me to pick this system. Although I went way way way over my budget.

What are the s 6's ? Are they In ceiling/ in wall ?

Never mind. I know what those are.
Guys any recommendations on paradigm in ceiling sig's or sa's for home theater set up ?

Monitor 9's and CC-350

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v78/taoggniklat/AV%20System/DSC_3041.jpg

I would like to thank member Need4spdnb and the_phew for converting me to be an upcoming proud member of the Paradigm family. I have already place my order for Studio 100, Studio CC-690, and Studio Sub 12. I'm planning to get the surround later on as I need to figure out how I'm going to set them up with my current living room space.

It's your all fault the_phew J/K. Thanks for the recommendation.

I can't wait until it arrives. I'm already looking for an amp to power them with my Pioneer Elite 23. If there are any recommendation for a reasonable amp, then please let me know. I'm hoping not to spend too much for an amp - I have seen some of them in the 4K range...way out of my budget :)

This hobby is getting quite expensive for me :) I'm going to cut down with my other hobby in collecting statues.


Congrats on the new system you've ordered. I have the 100's, cc690, adp590 and studio 20's with 2 sub 12's. The 20's and adp's are a great match for either a 5.1 or 7.1 setup. Those 100's take quite a while to loosen up but when they do they sound great. I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

NOOOOO... more money :(

Can you let me know of a recommendation for power surge protector and filter system too?


Thanks,


Question - my dealer highly recommends a power surge protector and filter system for about $500 to $1000. What are your thoughts on it for this system? (I will post on the receiver site also).
Thanks for all your help and comments which lead me to pick this system. Although I went way way way over my budget.

Hey guys,I am new to the forum and all your inputs will be vauluable.
I just bought a house and am getting it wired for surround sounds in-ceiling. I guess I could go with in wall but for in ceiling it is. My home theater guy suggested paradigm in-ceiling speakers particularly the SA's or the SIG's and assured me that they will sound good if calibrated properly. While I am not worried about sound quality(I know they will sound great for music) I am mainly worried about movies. Can they be set up and calibrated in a way where it feels like the sound is coming from the TV and not from the ceiling. I am planning to mount the TV on the wall.
Has anyone had any experience setting up such a system and what are your thoughts in retrospect ?I'm assuming he is suggesting either the SA-15R-30's or the SIG-1.5R-30's for the front channels? I have installed the SA-15R-30's as L,C,R's and really liked them. That being said, it is still preferable (if possible) to have the fronts be in the wall, but the two models mentioned do the best job of any in-ceiling speaker I know of simulating in-walls.

I too finally pulled the trigger.
S6, C5 and Sa-15R (ceiling for the surrounds) and Sub 12.
Anthem AVM 50v and A5.
I could not come up with a good location for the surrounds to match my listening area, so that will be a future upgrade. All on order, so I have to wait awhile.
Question - my dealer highly recommends a power surge protector and filter system for about $500 to $1000. What are your thoughts on it for this system? (I will post on the receiver site also).
Thanks for all your help and comments which lead me to pick this system. Although I went way way way over my budget.


A power surge protector for 500 to 1000 dollars? Seems grossly overpriced to me, at least here in norway you can get then much much cheaper.

AtW

I too finally pulled the trigger.
S6, C5 and Sa-15R (ceiling for the surrounds) and Sub 12.
Anthem AVM 50v and A5.
I could not come up with a good location for the surrounds to match my listening area, so that will be a future upgrade. All on order, so I have to wait awhile.
Question - my dealer highly recommends a power surge protector and filter system for about $500 to $1000. What are your thoughts on it for this system? (I will post on the receiver site also).
Thanks for all your help and comments which lead me to pick this system. Although I went way way way over my budget.A surge protector in that price range seems appropriate for that system, although I would try to stay on the low end of that range (if not lower). What brand(s) are they suggesting?

A surge protector in that price range seems appropriate for that system, although I would try to stay on the low end of that range (if not lower). What brand(s) are they suggesting?
I still dont get it? 500 to 1000 dolars is very expensive for a surge protector, you can get an online UPS for that price. And why would the surge protector have anything to do with the speaker system? Its jobs is to prteg from power spikes, wich it either does or fails to do, regardeless of speaker.

AtW

Hi,

I have a pair of Paradigm 9SE-MK2's that I bought in the 90's. While they still sound fantastic, I want to upgrade and move them to my bedroom. The local Paradigm dealer does not carry, but can get any model I want. I have been thinking about the Model 11 Monitor or the Studio 60 (about $1500 and $2000/pr respectively). I hesitate to purchase speakers I have not heard, especially one on one to what I already have. It is not about looks but it is about the sound.

This fun dilemma is causing me to consider other speakers that I might not get to listen to.... like the SVS MTS-01 (as I recently purchased a SVS PC-12 plus sub and am extremely pleased with product and service), or an Axiom speaker.

In any case, I was wondering if anyone had any opinion on Paradigm floor standing speakers in the $1000-2000/pr range....

Thanks in advance!

Hi,

I have a pair of Paradigm 9SE-MK2's that I bought in the 90's. While they still sound fantastic, I want to upgrade and move them to my bedroom. The local Paradigm dealer does not carry, but can get any model I want. I have been thinking about the Model 11 Monitor or the Studio 60 (about $1500 and $2000/pr respectively). I hesitate to purchase speakers I have not heard, especially one on one to what I already have. It is not about looks but it is about the sound.

This fun dilemma is causing me to consider other speakers that I might not get to listen to.... like the SVS MTS-01 (as I recently purchased a SVS PC-12 plus sub and am extremely pleased with product and service), or an Axiom speaker.

In any case, I was wondering if anyone had any opinion on Paradigm floor standing speakers in the $1000-2000/pr range....

Thanks in advance!

Just reading backwards, I guess I should toss the SE3 into this consideration.... Monitor 11 vs. SE3 vs. Studio 60. Ready to pull a trigger!

If anyone is looking for them, I have a pair of Studio 40's v.2 in mint condition along with the Studio CC, all in ash black. These are pretty much perfect, but times are forcing me to downsize. PM me if interested for pics.

Question - my dealer highly recommends a power surge protector and filter system for about $500 to $1000.Your dealer highly recommends a high profit-margin purchase.

Do you have power problems? Chronic brownouts or blackouts? Undervoltage problems (lights often dimming due to power drops)? Do you have reason to believe you have an unusually noisy electrical power lines that the amps in your system can deal with? If so, then you might benefit from a line conditioner and/or UPS.

Otherwise, you can buy a nice surge protector for well under $100.

And if you're going to spend up to a $1000 on a protector, you're in the price range to install a whole-house surge protector to supplement the outlet-level surge protectors.

NOOOOO... more money :(

Can you let me know of a recommendation for power surge protector and filter system too?


Thanks,


APC makes an H10 and and an H15. Check them out online. They work great.

I would also recommend the APC products.

I presently have an Intergra 8.9 reciever.I looking into getting all paradigms this time.

1st setup: 2 studio 60's
cc 590
4-adp 590's
and the sub 12

2nd system I'm considering:2-studio 100's
CC 690
4-ADP 590's
and a sub 15
my questions are,those who have one or the other or who have heard both what would you guys recommend with the rreciever I have?my room measures 19x21.


My setup is exactly identical to your first choice: Integra 8.9 and that exact same set of speakers. The sound is awesome. No issues and no complaints. My room size is a bit smaller: 13x17. But the sound certainly fills the room. I've had the receiver up to full volume (+18) and did not hear any sort of distortion or other problems. My ceiling light fixtures rattled from the sub, tho. :)

I was originally planning on getting the CC 690 to match the 60s, but budget constraints forced me back to the 590 and allowed me to not feel so guilty buying the sub 12. I've never demoed the 100's so I can't provide information on a comparison.

As for ordering online, I would think that shipping costs would eat up any savings. The sub 12 is at least 80 pounds.

I love the Integra, btw. I did lots of research before I found it, and it is a perfect fit for my needs.

I bought a used Monster HTS 3600 on E-Bay for $160. There's absolutely no need to spend $500 (much less $1000) on power conditioning or surge suppression.

I can't wait until it arrives. I'm already looking for an amp to power them with my Pioneer Elite 23. If there are any recommendation for a reasonable amp, then please let me know. I'm hoping not to spend too much for an amp - I have seen some of them in the 4K range...way out of my budget :)


Sounds like a great system. Emotiva XPA-5 is a no-brainer for the amp. $800, 200wpc, great quality, and looks cool. Or you could step down to the UPA-5 and save a little coin, its 125wpc which is probably sufficient for efficient speakers like the ones you got.

Which dealer did you end up buying your Studios from?

Sounds like a great system. Emotiva XPA-5 is a no-brainer for the amp. $800, 200wpc, great quality, and looks cool. Or you could step down to the UPA-5 and save a little coin, its 125wpc which is probably sufficient for efficient speakers like the ones you got.

Which dealer did you end up buying your Studios from?

So you have a xpa-5 I assume? I just purchased one which will arrive on monday. I am going to use it to power 2 pairs of studio 100 v2s and a 690 v4. Currently just powering them with a Yamaha 3800 but hoping the addition of the XPA-5 will improve the mid range bass and dynamics of the speakers in general. The alreay sound amazing so I slightly worried I wont actually notice a difference but I hoping :p

I bought a used Monster HTS 3600 on E-Bay for $160. There's absolutely no need to spend $500 (much less $1000) on power conditioning or surge suppression.

Same unit here and they cover damage downstream well above what I own..

So you have a xpa-5 I assume? I just purchased one which will arrive on monday. I am going to use it to power 2 pairs of studio 100 v2s and a 690 v4. Currently just powering them with a Yamaha 3800 but hoping the addition of the XPA-5 will improve the mid range bass and dynamics of the speakers in general. The alreay sound amazing so I slightly worried I wont actually notice a difference but I hoping :p

Please post a full review..

TIA

I bought it from your recommendation :)

Sounds like a great system. Emotiva XPA-5 is a no-brainer for the amp. $800, 200wpc, great quality, and looks cool. Or you could step down to the UPA-5 and save a little coin, its 125wpc which is probably sufficient for efficient speakers like the ones you got.

Which dealer did you end up buying your Studios from?

So you have a xpa-5 I assume?

No, I haven't upgraded to separates yet (using an Onkyo TX-SR876 receiver). After I get my room treatments done, separates are next on the list. I know a lot of people that love their Emo amps, and I like my cheap little BPA-1 that I use for my office 2.0 system.

MySassyGirl, what veneer did you go for on the Studios?

Please please share us your review :)

So you have a xpa-5 I assume? I just purchased one which will arrive on monday. I am going to use it to power 2 pairs of studio 100 v2s and a 690 v4. Currently just powering them with a Yamaha 3800 but hoping the addition of the XPA-5 will improve the mid range bass and dynamics of the speakers in general. The alreay sound amazing so I slightly worried I wont actually notice a difference but I hoping :p

Sorry, what finish (veneer) did you choose (black ash, cherry, piano black, maple, etc)?

I'm assuming he is suggesting either the SA-15R-30's or the SIG-1.5R-30's for the front channels? I have installed the SA-15R-30's as L,C,R's and really liked them. That being said, it is still preferable (if possible) to have the fronts be in the wall, but the two models mentioned do the best job of any in-ceiling speaker I know of simulating in-walls.

Thanks. Yes he did suggest the SA 15R-30 or the SIG 1.5R-30. But my concern is,while watching movies is the sound going to seem like it's coming from the ceiling or from the TV itself. How close does it does to an in wall/onwall/floor standing set up. I really want to get this right because I am mostly going to watching movies and TV. I am told that the Triad Bronze LCR's are really the best when it comes to In ceiling. And the price for Triad speakers seem to be around the same as the paradigms.

Hello all .. I am new to this forum. Need advice on Receiver to go with the new Paradigm Studio 100 v5 , CC-690 , Monitor Mini's for sourround 7.1 Setup, Sub DSP-3200. I am Room size 19 x 16 . 50% Music and 50% Movies Usage

My options are as follows I have budget of max 2k.

1)Pioneer VSX-23TXH as Receiver / Emotiva XPA-5
(I have listened to this and I like the diffrent sourround modes this has No GUI info about diffrent modes)
2) Marantz SR 5004 / Emotiva XPA-5 (Have listen to the SR 6004 seems to be same Save some money. Sounds good don't have as many sourround Listening modes as the VSX-23THX)

3) DHC-40.1 as sourround preamp / Emotiva UPA-7 (Didn't get a chance to listen to this )

4) NAD T-175 / NAT 955 ( Local dealer has this for under 2k, But never listened to this)

5) YAMAHA RX-3900BL / XPA-5 (Not Sure how will it sound)

Could you all pitch in and help me decide .. I really appricate all the diffrent posts out there.



Also please suggest other Receiver / Amp that can go good with studio 100's



I finally went with NAD t775HD bit more expensive for my budget but has amazing SQ . I currently set this in bi-amp it sound good.. 5.1 Mode but I am missing my the 7.1 sound envelop. I am thinking of a couple of options

1) Buy anothere amp to power the SBR/L using preouts (Need to know how to match amp gains , I guess if I buy Nad amps need not worrw about matching .. but they are ususal expensive

2) Get a stereo amp to do the front lows which will free up the channels on the t775

3) Or for get about the bi-amp..

Please let me know your advice

Thx

I got black ash finish. I thought black would go with everything if I ever decide to move or change furniture. I love the look of piano black, but it's too much high maintenance from scratch and dust.


Sorry, what finish (veneer) did you choose (black ash, cherry, piano black, maple, etc)?

3) Or for get about the bi-amp..

Please let me know your advice

Thx

The common sense thing is to do is try #3 before going out and buying anything. See if it suffices, you're the one that needs to be pleased, any advice you get here would be purely speculative.

NAD is know for having strong amps with good current. I'd be surprised if you notice the difference on your mains.

Thanks for the comebacks on the surge protector.
I am not sure which one the dealer is recommending as I was planning on looking into that when my system came in. I do not have a lot of power surges in my area, but with the amount of money I am putting out for the system I thought good protection was in order. I will look into the apc.

The common sense thing is to do is try #3 before going out and buying anything. See if it suffices, you're the one that needs to be pleased, any advice you get here would be purely speculative.

NAD is know for having strong amps with good current. I'd be surprised if you notice the difference on your mains.

Thank you.. I am planning to do so.. Thank you for the advice

Hey guy's
I currently have the Paradigm Monitor 9v5, CC290, and the DSP3400 sub.
I'm considering movin' on up to the Studio series and I have a few questions for those of you who would know.
First, there are space limitations in my AV stand.....does anybody know how much the outrigger legs on the Studio center speaker adds to the height of the speaker itself? I have 8-3/4" to work with and the Studio CC-590 MAY fit without the outrigger leg's. Studio 60's would go in the front.
I am also considering the Monitor 11's and the CC-390 center speaker but that thing (CC-390) is the size of a small child. Any comments out there about it's performance?

Thanks all.

Thanks for the comebacks on the surge protector.
I am not sure which one the dealer is recommending as I was planning on looking into that when my system came in. I do not have a lot of power surges in my area, but with the amount of money I am putting out for the system I thought good protection was in order. I will look into the apc.

You are absolutely correct about protecting your investment! Doesn't matter how few power problems you have had historically. All it takes is one to fry thousands of dollars of equipment. But, you don't need to pay $500 - $1000 for adequate protection. APC is a good brand. You should be able to find a product that offers excellent protection for around $100.

Can someone help me with the amount of watts or amps that the sub 12 draws. I have not received it yet and I am setting up the circuits. Do I need a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the sub? The Anthem A5 also draws 1800 watts. Looks like I need three circuits for the system including the sub. Then do I need 3 surge protectors?

Can someone help me with the amount of watts or amps that the sub 12 draws. I have not received it yet and I am setting up the circuits. Do I need a dedicated 20 amp circuit for the sub? The Anthem A5 also draws 1800 watts. Looks like I need three circuits for the system including the sub. Then do I need 3 surge protectors? i would use #10awg wire with a 20 amp circuit one for each sub, one for for the A5, 2 if you have a P5. this would be over kill but so is this hobby.

Just reading backwards, I guess I should toss the SE3 into this consideration.... Monitor 11 vs. SE3 vs. Studio 60. Ready to pull a trigger!

I was in the same place as you. I ended up ordering an SE system (SE3's, SE center and SE1's for the rear) yesterday. I listened to the SE1's side by side with the Studio 60's. It was very difficult to notice much of a difference. They produced very much the same sound (other than the sound stage was bigger with the 60's). If they had a pair of SE3's I'm pretty sure it would have been difficult to tell much of a difference at all (at least with my ears). Hope they arrive soon!!!

I was in the same place as you. I ended up ordering an SE system (SE3's, SE center and SE1's for the rear) yesterday. I listened to the SE1's side by side with the Studio 60's. It was very difficult to notice much of a difference. They produced very much the same sound (other than the sound stage was bigger with the 60's). If they had a pair of SE3's I'm pretty sure it would have been difficult to tell much of a difference at all (at least with my ears). Hope they arrive soon!!!

I figured that was the case, SE3 vs Studio 60. Glad I have some comparison. Dimensionally, ie the size and geometry of the cabinets, I decided to get the Studio 60's. After looking at a couple of pictures of both in piano black, I preferred the Studio 60, and either were in my budget for this purchase so wth. 7-10 days out for me.

i would use #10awg wire with a 20 amp circuit one for each sub, one for for the A5, 2 if you have a P5. this would be over kill but so is this hobby.Why 10 gauge? Code requires 12 gauge for a 20 Amp circuit.

Why 10 gauge? Code requires 12 gauge for a 20 Amp circuit.
in comercial i use 12 for 15 amp and 10 for 20amp for the last 21 years in NYC. the code in some cases is a minium spec.

Thanks. Yes he did suggest the SA 15R-30 or the SIG 1.5R-30. But my concern is,while watching movies is the sound going to seem like it's coming from the ceiling or from the TV itself. How close does it does to an in wall/onwall/floor standing set up. I really want to get this right because I am mostly going to watching movies and TV. I am told that the Triad Bronze LCR's are really the best when it comes to In ceiling. And the price for Triad speakers seem to be around the same as the paradigms.With any in-ceiling speaker, the sound will be coming from the ceiling, there is no getting around that. And, in general, you should only use in-ceiling speakers for LCR's if you cannot use in-wall / floorstanding speakers for some reason, regardless of their design. With that being said, the Paradigm's do a great job if the installation requires in-ceiling LCR's.

I don't have any experience with the Triad's, but they have a great reputation and am sure they would sound great as well.

Also, Paradigm has a back-box that is designed (BX-10R), but not required, to be used with the SA-15R-30 and SIG-1.5R-30.

in comercial i use 12 for 15 amp and 10 for 20amp for the last 21 years in NYC. the code in some cases is a minium spec.Why pay for wire that isn't necessary or needed?

Does anyone know what the difference between the v2 and v3 versions of the c1.

Does anyone know what the difference between the v2 and v3 versions of the c1.The v.3 Signatures have a higher sensitivity due to changes in the woofers. Here is a complete list of differences:

•Overmolded NLC non-limiting corrugated TPE (Santoprene for the bass
drivers) surrounds
•Redesigned Nomex Spiders
•Redesigned die-cast aluminum heatsink chassis with AVS cooling
•Advanced split-coil motor system (bass/midrange drivers)
•Cutting-edge long-stroke motor system (bass drivers)
•Thickened permanent ceramic (hard ferrite) magnets with focused-field geometry
•Retooled magnetic pole piece and metal top plate (bass drivers)
•Metallized high-integrity dust caps (bass/midrange drivers)
•Injection-molded mineral-filled polypropylene bass cones boast a 30% increase in mineral content

http://www.castercomm.com/prView.cfm?cid=113&id=322

Why pay for wire that isn't necessary or needed?


Piece of mind and peak voltage draw... Maybe a small sub like that won't really tax the circuit but multiples certainly can and will.

I really don't want wires getting hot in the walls in my house - possible fire hazzard...

Why pay for wire that isn't necessary or needed?its just a standard in the profesional electrical industry that i have been a custom to. plus the price difference is minimal.

The v.3 Signatures have a higher sensitivity due to changes in the woofers. Here is a complete list of differences:

•Overmolded NLC non-limiting corrugated TPE (Santoprene for the bass
drivers) surrounds
•Redesigned Nomex Spiders
•Redesigned die-cast aluminum heatsink chassis with AVS cooling
•Advanced split-coil motor system (bass/midrange drivers)
•Cutting-edge long-stroke motor system (bass drivers)
•Thickened permanent ceramic (hard ferrite) magnets with focused-field geometry
•Retooled magnetic pole piece and metal top plate (bass drivers)
•Metallized high-integrity dust caps (bass/midrange drivers)
•Injection-molded mineral-filled polypropylene bass cones boast a 30% increase in mineral content

http://www.castercomm.com/prView.cfm?cid=113&id=322

These are the changes for some of the speakers. The c1 has had no changes made to it except now they offer a version with g pal tweeter. The s2 is the biggest difference because of bass/midrange driver. The s6 and s8 only have woofer changes that give it higher output. The tweeter and midrange is the same as v2. All those changes listed above are about the woofers or the mid/woofer of a 2 way speaker like the s2.

Piece of mind and peak voltage draw... Maybe a small sub like that won't really tax the circuit but multiples certainly can and will.

I really don't want wires getting hot in the walls in my house - possible fire hazzard...So, you're saying the ratings on electrical wire (14g-15A, 12g-20A, 10g-30A) are meaningless? Do you not trust that the circuit breaker will trip before the wire gets hot?

Also, 12g is about 50% more expensive than 14g.

Hey guy's
I currently have the Paradigm Monitor 9v5, CC290, and the DSP3400 sub.
I'm considering movin' on up to the Studio series and I have a few questions for those of you who would know.
First, there are space limitations in my AV stand.....does anybody know how much the outrigger legs on the Studio center speaker adds to the height of the speaker itself? I have 8-3/4" to work with and the Studio CC-590 MAY fit without the outrigger leg's. Studio 60's would go in the front.
I am also considering the Monitor 11's and the CC-390 center speaker but that thing (CC-390) is the size of a small child. Any comments out there about it's performance?

Thanks all.

Probably shouldn't have posted this on a Saturday evening. Anyone have some thoughts?

These are the changes for some of the speakers. The c1 has had no changes made to it except now they offer a version with g pal tweeter. The s2 is the biggest difference because of bass/midrange driver. The s6 and s8 only have woofer changes that give it higher output. The tweeter and midrange is the same as v2. All those changes listed above are about the woofers or the mid/woofer of a 2 way speaker like the s2.That is not correct. The entire Signature line has the new woofer surround. Here are some pictures:

C1v.3
http://www.castercomm.com/gallery/hiRes/C1_v3.jpg

C1v.2
http://www.castercomm.com/gallery/hiRes/Paradigm%20Reference%20Signature%20Series%20C1%20-%20natural%20birdseye%20maple%20no%20grill.jpg

That is not correct. The entire Signature line has the new woofer surround. Here are some pictures:

C1v.3
http://www.castercomm.com/gallery/hiRes/C1_v3.jpg

C1v.2
http://www.castercomm.com/gallery/hiRes/Paradigm%20Reference%20Signature%20Series%20C1%20-%20natural%20birdseye%20maple%20no%20grill.jpg

Glad you didn't post a picture of the c5 for example as the picture probably would have required my 60 inch widescreen tv to display ;)

Better check building codes before running whatever gauge wiring you want...

Glad you didn't post a picture of the c5 for example as the picture probably would have required my 60 inch widescreen tv to display ;)Ask and ye shall receive! :D
http://www.castercomm.com/gallery/hiRes/C5_v3.jpg

Crap, it is too big to display on my 60 inch TV. I told my wife I better upgrade to a Panasonic 65vt25:p

Better check building codes before running whatever gauge wiring you want...
It is not a code violation on upgrading wire size

My setup is exactly identical to your first choice: Integra 8.9 and that exact same set of speakers. The sound is awesome. No issues and no complaints. My room size is a bit smaller: 13x17. But the sound certainly fills the room. I've had the receiver up to full volume (+18) and did not hear any sort of distortion or other problems. My ceiling light fixtures rattled from the sub, tho. :)

I was originally planning on getting the CC 690 to match the 60s, but budget constraints forced me back to the 590 and allowed me to not feel so guilty buying the sub 12. I've never demoed the 100's so I can't provide information on a comparison.

As for ordering online, I would think that shipping costs would eat up any savings. The sub 12 is at least 80 pounds.

I love the Integra, btw. I did lots of research before I found it, and it is a perfect fit for my needs.
thanks for your response!!!I bet it does sound great in a 13x17 room.same situation with me.I can get the 1st setup for $7500 with taxes but considerding the 2nd system as well but I have not checked for the cost difference between the 2 systems.
so I presume your satisfied with the C590?

love my integra as well.my first integra was the 9.1 the first yr it came out and I still have it but not hooked up to anything right now.I bought the 8.9 last yr mainly for the HDMI connections as well as some other upgrades!!
thanks again for your input!!

first of all I like to state that I'm not an elctronics expert by any means but I do have a good ear for good sound.with that said I hoped to get some feedback from you guys that are more knowledgable than I.

I looking to upgrade my speakers from some older NHT's and Paradigms.

I presently have an Intergra 8.9 reciever.I looking into getting all paradigms this time.

1st setup: 2 studio 60's
cc 590
4-adp 590's
and the sub 12
2nd system I'm considering:2-studio 100's
CC 690
4-ADP 590's
and a sub 15
my questions are,those who have one or the other or who have heard both what would you guys recommend with the rreciever I have?my room measures 19x21.

also I was wondering what most of you guys think of ordering these speakers online such as from a company like www.audiophileliquidator.net .

thanks in advance!!your suggestions and comments will be greatly appreciated!!
hopefully I posted this in the right thread:D

anyone else?:)

so I presume your satisfied with the C590?


I am satisfied with it. Very satisfied. Would I be more satisfied with a 690? Probably. I've never had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison. The 690 is much wider and may not have fit in my space.

FYI: link to my home theater blog entries (including some pictures):

http://wnl256.livejournal.com/tag/home%20theater

I am satisfied with it. Very satisfied. Would I be more satisfied with a 690? Probably. I've never had a chance to do a side-by-side comparison. The 690 is much wider and may not have fit in my space.

FYI: link to my home theater blog entries (including some pictures):

http://wnl256.livejournal.com/tag/home%20theater

beautiful room!!!!thanks for the look!one day I'll have real media room.mine is in my living room right now:eek:
a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do:D

I havent had a chance to listen to the 690,100's and the sub 15 either.it may be a good idea I dont!
I'm sure I'll be totally satisfied with the first system!!I'll definitly let you know which one I end up going with.it may still be a few months before I can purchase everthing!!
cant wait though:D

thanks again wnl!!

Thanks for the replies.

Andy

Hey guy's
I currently have the Paradigm Monitor 9v5, CC290, and the DSP3400 sub.
I'm considering movin' on up to the Studio series and I have a few questions for those of you who would know.
First, there are space limitations in my AV stand.....does anybody know how much the outrigger legs on the Studio center speaker adds to the height of the speaker itself? I have 8-3/4" to work with and the Studio CC-590 MAY fit without the outrigger leg's. Studio 60's would go in the front.
I am also considering the Monitor 11's and the CC-390 center speaker but that thing (CC-390) is the size of a small child. Any comments out there about it's performance?

Thanks all.

Probably shouldn't have posted this on a Saturday evening. Anyone have some thoughts?

Have you considered the new SE's? Much smaller footprint, and the SE3's are very similar to the studio 60's. The center channel should fit fine as well. I have listened to the SE1's side by side with the 60's and they are very similar in sound.

anyone else?:)

I have 100s and love them in a similar setup. (only 5.1) I think Paradigm recommends the CC-690 with the Studio 60s as well as the 100s. Check their site on "Recommended Systems"

Hey guy's
I currently have the Paradigm Monitor 9v5, CC290, and the DSP3400 sub.
I'm considering movin' on up to the Studio series and I have a few questions for those of you who would know.
First, there are space limitations in my AV stand.....does anybody know how much the outrigger legs on the Studio center speaker adds to the height of the speaker itself? I have 8-3/4" to work with and the Studio CC-590 MAY fit without the outrigger leg's. Studio 60's would go in the front.
I am also considering the Monitor 11's and the CC-390 center speaker but that thing (CC-390) is the size of a small child. Any comments out there about it's performance?

Thanks all.

I am a very recent convert to HT and no audiophile, but I ended up with the Monitor 9, CC-390 and DSP-3400 (still on order) as well as a pair of ADP-390 surrounds.

As far as the CC-390 I started off with the 290 and am very happy with the upgrade. The size isn't really a problem and compared to the size of the fronts it looks about right with the 9's and would certainly look correctly proportioned to the Monitor 11's.

I find that with HT the centre channel is used heavily and this unit really puts out some sound. Very clean and easy to understand dialog as well. After some experimenting I was very happy with the centre channel matching and ended up with the cross-over at 90hz and centre set to small.

Good luck.....

I read somewhere that you should stay away from them.

Originally Posted by zwalls View Post

also I was wondering what most of you guys think of ordering these speakers online such as from a company like www.audiophileliquidator.net .

thanks in advance!!your suggestions and comments will be greatly appreciated!!
hopefully I posted this in the right thread

Curious if there is more to this. I live in an area that does not have any high end audio stores, unless you count Best Buy. I have to drive 4 hours to get to a store that has sufficient selection, and then maybe not everything.

It is not about the dollars, but it is about the selection. Just reviewing what audioliquidator has on line shows a large slice of high end equipment that you would have a hard time finding on line from the known and respected outlets like OneCall, B and H, J and R, etc... much less seeing in a single store.

Specifically, and not really addressed on the audioliquidator site is what happens to warranties and the like if you purchase from them.

So, mysassygirl (or others with info) do you remember where you read something about this on line outlet?

Curious if there is more to this. I live in an area that does not have any high end audio stores, unless you count Best Buy. I have to drive 4 hours to get to a store that has sufficient selection, and then maybe not everything.

It is not about the dollars, but it is about the selection. Just reviewing what audioliquidator has on line shows a large slice of high end equipment that you would have a hard time finding on line from the known and respected outlets like OneCall, B and H, J and R, etc... much less seeing in a single store.

Specifically, and not really addressed on the audioliquidator site is what happens to warranties and the like if you purchase from them.

So, mysassygirl (or others with info) do you remember where you read something about this on line outlet?


You can search the forum for other experiences with that outlet. However, most of the "boutique" speaker brands (including paradigm) will only honor the warranty if you buy from an authorized dealer. It's one of the ways they help to control pricing and the buyer experience.

So, you're saying the ratings on electrical wire (14g-15A, 12g-20A, 10g-30A) are meaningless? Do you not trust that the circuit breaker will trip before the wire gets hot?

Also, 12g is about 50% more expensive than 14g.

No, but I can promise you that when I'm running heavy bass with higher SPL's in my bedroom setup with the JL F112 I could get the Lights to start dimming when it was plugged into the 14ga standard house wiring... I just isn't capable of handling that heavy a load.

Do what ever you want, you wanna go cheap be my guest. I wouldn't run a decent sub on anything less then 12ga wire. And No I wouldn't trust the breaker to pop when the wire gets hot.... I've been around electricity long enough to know that - can't always rely on a breaker - they can and have failed on me.

It's true that the factory warranty is no good if you purchase from a "Non Factory Authorized Dealer"

I think Audioliquidator has their own Warranty on some equipment. You should read all the "Fine Print" on their site.

There are Paradigm authorized dealers that will beat any price on Audiophile Liquidator, and you get to keep the full warranty.

If your local dealer won't give you a deal, call another dealer. You don't have to buy from your local dealer to get the full warranty. You just have to pay shipping.

It's true that the factory warranty is no good if you purchase from a "Non Factory Authorized Dealer"

I think Audioliquidator has their own Warranty on some equipment. You should read all the "Fine Print" on their site.

Stay away from Audiophileliquidator. Do a search on AVS forum on them before you make a purchase through them. Just an FYI.

Due to a nice tax refund, apparently I loaned the Federal/State govt too much money :) I have decided it's time for me to begin upgrading to the signature line. My local Paradigm dealer, only Paradigm dealer within 3 hours, told me they would sell me their demo Signature S8s v2 for $5200 and the Signature C5 v2 for $2600, both Piano Balck. Any chance Ill find a better deal than that anywhere?

Stay away from Audiophileliquidator. Do a search on AVS forum on them before you make a purchase through them. Just an FYI.

I am with you, but a lot that is said about this topic is not first hand information on AVS. Of course, that might be an indication of something else. No satisfied customers and no complaints?

Personally, I would not buy Paradigm from anyone but an authorized dealer. That goes for anything where I am spending hundreds of dollars on something that might require service. But there are certain things that I might want to buy from such an outlet because they have merchandise that would be unavailable to me otherwise.

Just looking over a couple of prices I am familiar with on some current purchases.... this particular outlet does not give any significant discounts and in a couple of cases is higher than what I purchased from an authorized dealer and/or big box. So why buy there?

It is always caveat emptor in purchasing anything on-line from vendors you have not used and outside of a marketplace that might be able to guarantee satisfaction. (eg Amazon Marketplace). Even then you can still be burned.

Search for audiophileliquidator in this forum and you'll get bunch of hits.

Here's a dedicated thread on them

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=687763&highlight=audiophileliquidator



So, mysassygirl (or others with info) do you remember where you read something about this on line outlet?

That is not correct. The entire Signature line has the new woofer surround. Here are some pictures: BTT917

BTT917 Thanks for the pics. sorry i had wrong info. I actually upgraded from a c1 v2 to a c3 v3 even though my room is only 12 x 15. Both are great.
Mike

Hey Guys,

I was given 2 Paradigm 5seMk3's and a CC-100.

Any idea what that the specs on these speakers are?

I will be using these with a Onkyo SR707. Whats the optimal settings for them in surround setup? Full Size? I am using a powered sub also.

Thanks for any help!

I guess I better move. All dealers in our area are MSRP period. :mad:

No, but I can promise you that when I'm running heavy bass with higher SPL's in my bedroom setup with the JL F112 I could get the Lights to start dimming when it was plugged into the 14ga standard house wiring... I just isn't capable of handling that heavy a load.

Do what ever you want, you wanna go cheap be my guest. I wouldn't run a decent sub on anything less then 12ga wire. And No I wouldn't trust the breaker to pop when the wire gets hot.... I've been around electricity long enough to know that - can't always rely on a breaker - they can and have failed on me.So, you're running a sub with a 2500W RMS amplifier on a 15 amp circuit and are surprised the lights dim? :rolleyes: That damn 14g wire strikes again!

So, you're running a sub with a 2500W RMS amplifier on a 15 amp circuit and are surprised the lights dim? :rolleyes: That damn 14g wire strikes again!


Ah no my friend.... that was back when I first got the sub, and I have since upgraded it to a 20 amp dedicated circuit.... it didn't take long for me to see how much draw it was taking on the circuit - that I upgraded.

Anyone have any experience, or know of good reviews, on the Paradigm SE speakers? I'm shopping for speakers, and really liked the Monitor line. But then I had a fantastic demo of SVS MTS speakers, which moved to the top of my list. That actually pushes me into the price class for the Paradigm SE line. I don't know have time for a demo for a week or more, so I'm trying to find information on this. Even better is info that helps me relate them to SVS MTS speakers.

Thanks!

Anyone have any experience, or know of good reviews, on the Paradigm SE speakers? I'm shopping for speakers, and really liked the Monitor line. But then I had a fantastic demo of SVS MTS speakers, which moved to the top of my list. That actually pushes me into the price class for the Paradigm SE line. I don't know have time for a demo for a week or more, so I'm trying to find information on this. Even better is info that helps me relate them to SVS MTS speakers.

Thanks!

I recently purchased an SE system (SE3's, SE center and SE1's for the rear). Haven't received them yet though. I was only able to listen to the SE1's prior to purchasing. I was able to compare them to Studio 60's and the sound is very comparable. So if you like studio 60's, the SE's will be close to them. There are already a few reviews our there on them. Do an internet search and you'll find them.

Anyone have any experience, or know of good reviews, on the Paradigm SE speakers? I'm shopping for speakers, and really liked the Monitor line. But then I had a fantastic demo of SVS MTS speakers, which moved to the top of my list. That actually pushes me into the price class for the Paradigm SE line. I don't know have time for a demo for a week or more, so I'm trying to find information on this. Even better is info that helps me relate them to SVS MTS speakers.

Thanks!


Here is a review of the Paradigm SE speakers:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/compactspeakers/paradigm_special_edition_se_1_speaker_system/

Can someone tell me how much heat the Sub 12 puts out. I am trying to figure out home much of a fan and vent I need to keep the heat level down.

Anyone have any experience, or know of good reviews, on the Paradigm SE speakers? I'm shopping for speakers, and really liked the Monitor line. But then I had a fantastic demo of SVS MTS speakers, which moved to the top of my list. That actually pushes me into the price class for the Paradigm SE line. I don't know have time for a demo for a week or more, so I'm trying to find information on this. Even better is info that helps me relate them to SVS MTS speakers.

Thanks!

Here's another review.

http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

i have a very imporatant question and please picture the situation carefully.

As i have mentioned many times before my room is 15'x10'x8' and i have the TV on the 15' wall. The entertainment centre takes up about 7.5'-8' of that wall and the L/R speakers are at the edge of this 8ft area. i was wondering if i could buy ADP-590 and mount on the other 15' wall behind me BUT up close to the roof (approx. 7.5' high above my listening position). Would i be able to hear the speakers up so high effectively?

i tried to be as descriptive as i could any other details i could try to fill in.

Thanks

Got my XPA-5 hooked up tonight, havnt really messed with it much but I played with it for about 30 mins after I hooked it up.
The amp looks great IMO, seems to be built rather well.
Unfortunately I couldnt really notice a difference in performance over my Yamaha 3800. Currently I have the XPA-5 powering my fronts/center/rears and my 3800 powering my back surrounds. All the speakers are studio 100s v2 and the center is a studio 690 v4.
Im not sure if perhaps the amp needs to break in or not. I know everything still sounds great, but it all sounded great with just the 3800. Ill mess with the set up some more tomorrow night and see if I can figure out how to get the wow factor I was expecting.

I've been upgdrading my HT system a piece at a time and I think I've decided on Paradigm for my fronts and center. I've got an Onkyo TX-SR707 receiver and I'm waiting for a SVS PC12-Plus sub to arrive. My system is used pretty much exclusively for bluray, DirectTV, and xbox 360. I'm hoping to audition the Monitor 9/CC-290 and the SE3/SE Center at my local dealer (sent them an email to see if they have them). My budget is around $1500. If I can talk my dealer down 20% under MSRP the SE3 and center fits in that. Do you think those speakers are good choices in that price range?

One thing I'm unsure of is one of the fronts would have to sit on a ledge that is about 12" tall and the other would sit on the floor. Would this height difference be a problem?

Thanks for the comments and reviews on the SE's. :)

Can someone tell me how much heat the Sub 12 puts out. I am trying to figure out home much of a fan and vent I need to keep the heat level down.


I have a Sub15 and don't really feel it giving off any heat. I think it might get slightly warm to the touch but that is it. I can double check tonight as I just got it last week and am not that familiar with it. I know for sure my old Servo 15 barely got warm.

Hi noobie here. I'm going to demo both the Paradigm Monitor 9 and the Monitor Audio RX 8 at my local dealer soon. Leaning towards Paradigm. What's max amount I should not go over for a pair of Monitor 9's.

I've been upgdrading my HT system a piece at a time and I think I've decided on Paradigm for my fronts and center. I've got an Onkyo TX-SR707 receiver and I'm waiting for a SVS PC12-Plus sub to arrive. My system is used pretty much exclusively for bluray, DirectTV, and xbox 360. I'm hoping to audition the Monitor 9/CC-290 and the SE3/SE Center at my local dealer (sent them an email to see if they have them). My budget is around $1500. If I can talk my dealer down 20% under MSRP the SE3 and center fits in that. Do you think those speakers are good choices in that price range?

Just saw your post after I posted, looks like we're in the same boat for Paradigm Monitor 9s. Both looking for below MSRP. I've seen it really low on Ebay for brand new pair but not sure how trustworthy it is.

I have 100s and love them in a similar setup. (only 5.1) I think Paradigm recommends the CC-690 with the Studio 60s as well as the 100s. Check their site on "Recommended Systems"

your right.paradigm does recommend the c690 with the 60's and 100's.I was just wondering if the c590 would sound good enough with the 60's.another member "wnl" has the c590 with 60's and he says it sounds great!!

in my mind If I were to get the 100's I would no doubt get the c690,but not sure if I want to spend that much more right now.I may just have to wait till I can.
:(

i have a very imporatant question and please picture the situation carefully.

As i have mentioned many times before my room is 15'x10'x8' and i have the TV on the 15' wall. The entertainment centre takes up about 7.5'-8' of that wall and the L/R speakers are at the edge of this 8ft area. i was wondering if i could buy ADP-590 and mount on the other 15' wall behind me BUT up close to the roof (approx. 7.5' high above my listening position). Would i be able to hear the speakers up so high effectively?

i tried to be as descriptive as i could any other details i could try to fill in.

Thanks

If you're suggesting as a single surround back speaker, I don't see why it would be a problem. You'll get some nearfield reflections off the ceiling, and some bass reinforcement by having it in a corner, but I don't think that will be much of an issue for the predominantly ambient sounds that the rear channels typically get.

i have a very imporatant question and please picture the situation carefully.

As i have mentioned many times before my room is 15'x10'x8' and i have the TV on the 15' wall. The entertainment centre takes up about 7.5'-8' of that wall and the L/R speakers are at the edge of this 8ft area. i was wondering if i could buy ADP-590 and mount on the other 15' wall behind me BUT up close to the roof (approx. 7.5' high above my listening position). Would i be able to hear the speakers up so high effectively?

i tried to be as descriptive as i could any other details i could try to fill in.

Thanks

I've temporarily got a similar setup but with ADP-390s mounted on the wall above and behind the couch. In order to mount them symmetrically I had to place one above a door almost against the ceiling. They are a little more than 2 feet outboard of the couch and about three feet from the corners of the room all mounted flat against the wall (if this makes any sense). It's in the basement and the ceiling height is about 7'6" so it's very similar and the overall room size is about 14x16 feet. Eventually I'll move everything upstairs to a much larger space.

What I've found with the current space is that it works fairly well once I moved the couch out from the wall a couple feet so that the speakers were more behind and less straight above -- hopefully you have room to do so with your setup. The bipole/dipole setup of the surrounds seems to give a lot of leeway for the setup and the surround sound field seems to be pretty good and more or less seamless. I had to do a bit of tweaking with the amplifier/receiver configuration as it had trouble determining the distance and seamed to set the levels a little low.

The 390's are great speakers so I'm sure the 590's will really do the job.

For what it's worth......
Doug

Got my XPA-5 hooked up tonight, havnt really messed with it much but I played with it for about 30 mins after I hooked it up.
The amp looks great IMO, seems to be built rather well.
Unfortunately I couldnt really notice a difference in performance over my Yamaha 3800. Currently I have the XPA-5 powering my fronts/center/rears and my 3800 powering my back surrounds. All the speakers are studio 100s v2 and the center is a studio 690 v4.
Im not sure if perhaps the amp needs to break in or not. I know everything still sounds great, but it all sounded great with just the 3800. Ill mess with the set up some more tomorrow night and see if I can figure out how to get the wow factor I was expecting.


I'm not surprised, well maybe a bit, because I thought with five 100's you might benefit some, but obviously in your size room the 3800 has enough clean power to get to what you want.

I think this external amp thing is an internet created market, it baffles me how a receiver's amps can have a virtually flat frequency response through the audible range, and yet people claim huge quality differences by adding an external amp that has pretty much the same FR.

I'm not suggesting that in some cases it can't help, but that in most cases it's not needed.

If you're suggesting as a single surround back speaker, I don't see why it would be a problem. You'll get some nearfield reflections off the ceiling, and some bass reinforcement by having it in a corner, but I don't think that will be much of an issue for the predominantly ambient sounds that the rear channels typically get.

No rnrgagne, i wasnt suggesting just one surround back, i think Doug understood what i meant just read his post. I'll try to post a pic of what i mean.

I've temporarily got a similar setup but with ADP-390s mounted on the wall above and behind the couch. In order to mount them symmetrically I had to place one above a door almost against the ceiling. They are a little more than 2 feet outboard of the couch and about three feet from the corners of the room all mounted flat against the wall (if this makes any sense). It's in the basement and the ceiling height is about 7'6" so it's very similar and the overall room size is about 16x20 feet. Eventually I'll move everything upstairs to a much larger space.

What I've found with the current space is that it works fairly well once I moved the couch out from the wall a couple feet so that the speakers were more behind and less straight above -- hopefully you have room to do so with your setup. The bipole/dipole setup of the surrounds seems to give a lot of leeway for the setup and the surround sound field seems to be pretty good and more or less seamless. I had to do a bit of tweaking with the amplifier/receiver configuration as it had trouble determining the distance and seamed to set the levels a little low.

The 390's are great speakers so I'm sure the 590's will really do the job.

For what it's worth......
Doug

Thanks for your response Doug but unfortunately i cant move the bed any more so the surrounds will be right above my head instead of behind. This is exactly why i was asking the question cause i wanted to know if anyone has had any experiences with this type of situation.

I tried the surrounds first with the couch against the wall and it was ok but definitely better with the couch away from the wall a couple feet. I had originally tried this setup with older paradigm bookshelfs and it was not good at all so the dipole/bipole speakers are much, much more forgiving about placement.

I couldn't put the speakers in the corners because of a stairway on one side but I would think if you could put the speakers at a 45 degree angle in the corners you might get a better sound than flat on the back wall, even with the couch against the wall, especially if they end up further away from the listening positions. This type of speakers seem to do better with a bit of space around them.

I should also add that I did a couple test positions with the speakers angled down about 20-30 degrees and I preferred the sound with the speakers mounted flat.

Doug

i will take pics and show you guys the possible positions for mounting for these speakers tonight. I really need you guys help on this one. I dont wanna use my energy speakers as surrounds because i want to go all paradigm but i guess you guys would provide the appropriate answers as you always do.

Are your energy speakers regular bookshelf-type? If so they are probably going to be more problematic in the tight quarters your describing compared to the adp's but if you already have them you should be able to give them a test and see how much room for improvement there might be.

Doug

they are regular bookshelf speakers and they are currently on stands next to the bed but as i said, i'll post pics tonight.

Rolled through my tax return in 5 days buying a new SVS PC-12 Plus sub and Paradigm Studio 60's. Now my boss says he is giving me a bonus for 2009 performance. Noooooo. :)

Then, by chance, I was selling a subwoofer last night via craigslist, and who shows up to buy it? The local USTech store manager where I ordered my Paradigm Studio 60's.... while we did not spend too much time talking Paradigm --- now I think I need to upgrade my old 1995 Paradigm Titan surrounds to something more fitting for the new Studio 60's.

Thinking of mating them with some Studio 10's due to budget considerations, and to save just a little for that new upgraditis related amplifier.... I have upgraditis.

Probably not much disagreement with this choice, but curious if anyone else has an opinion?

Terrible case, doctors unsure of diagnosis. :rolleyes:

No rnrgagne, i wasnt suggesting just one surround back, i think Doug understood what i meant just read his post. I'll try to post a pic of what i mean.


Yeah, I thought you were talking about a CC590....duh... I don't think the coffee had kicked in yet this morning! ;)

It should not be a problem to mount them high like that, it's not the best case scenario, but using ADP's instead of direct radiators when you're sitting as close as you are is worth it. What you can do is get mounting brackets that allow you to tilt them downward a bit.

The room correction of your receiver will go a long way to correcting any of the issues I mentioned before that will still apply.

Hello all. I'm upgrading my receiver to the new Onkyo 807 and am trying to decide between the Paradigm Titans and the Studio 20 speaker systems. I'm leaning more towards the Studio series but do you think I should/will need an amp to help power them? Room size is 12x23x8. I can't decide if the studios are worth twice the price, especially if I will need to buy an amp as well. Thanks for any advice.

Hi noobie here. I'm going to demo both the Paradigm Monitor 9 and the Monitor Audio RX 8 at my local dealer soon. Leaning towards Paradigm. What's max amount I should not go over for a pair of Monitor 9's.



Just saw your post after I posted, looks like we're in the same boat for Paradigm Monitor 9s. Both looking for below MSRP. I've seen it really low on Ebay for brand new pair but not sure how trustworthy it is.

Spend some time doing a demo and talk with your salesperson. Maybe go during a weekday, when there's no customers. My local dealer prices things normally at about 5% under MSRP. And they recently ran a sale for up to 5%, 10%, 15% off of 1, 2, 3+ speakers purchased.

Hello all. I'm upgrading my receiver to the new Onkyo 807 and am trying to decide between the Paradigm Titans and the Studio 20 speaker systems. I'm leaning more towards the Studio series but do you think I should/will need an amp to help power them? Room size is 12x23x8. I can't decide if the studios are worth twice the price, especially if I will need to buy an amp as well. Thanks for any advice.2.0? 3.1? 5.1? 7.1? plan on a sub. the 807 will drive the 20's or the titans.

Hello all. I'm upgrading my receiver to the new Onkyo 807 and am trying to decide between the Paradigm Titans and the Studio 20 speaker systems. I'm leaning more towards the Studio series but do you think I should/will need an amp to help power them? Room size is 12x23x8. I can't decide if the studios are worth twice the price, especially if I will need to buy an amp as well. Thanks for any advice.

I went through this a few weeks ago and listened closely to the Monitor 7 & 9 along with the Titan's and Studio 20's. There was also some stuff from Klipsch and JBL but they were easily outclassed by any of the Paradigm speakers in the first few minutes of listening.

I'd strongly suggest listening to the models side by side, without a subwoofer, using music or HT audio picks that your familiar with.
The studio 20's aren't as efficient as the monitor series so the amp did need to be turned up a bit to match the sound level with any of the monitor series but it was not a great deal of difference and you have more than enough power with the 807 for any of your choices. I wouldn't be concerned about this.

I also went to the store thinking the Studio 20's were the way to go.

Personally I only listen to rock music of the last 3 decades or so and action-type movies for HT. With this in mind I chose the Monitor 9's. Had the budget and living room been smaller I think I would have taken the Titan's over the Monitor 7's. The studio 20's didn't really do much for me for the price -- especially if you add in the cost of the better looking stands! To my ears (and keeping in mind the type of music) I thought they were probably more accurate in the mid to high ranges but lacked much bass and sounded kind of flat. I guess I failed the audiophile test but if I had a choice only between the Titan's and the Studio 20 I would have taken the Titan. My wife and I both thought the Studio series looked a lot nicer of course but in the end neither of us thought looks were enough. Note that I did not try out any of the higher studio models so maybe the 60 or 100's would have had me cashing in the kid's education funds.
Good luck!
Doug

quick question for you experts!!

the Paradigm studio 60's and 100's are quoted as being "Compatible with 8 ohms". I was told that they were 6 ohm speakers.

does this mean you can power them with an 8ohm only reciever?

thanks:)

quick question for you experts!!

the Paradigm studio 60's and 100's are quoted as being "Compatible with 8 ohms". I was told that they were 6 ohm speakers.

does this mean you can power them with an 8ohm only reciever?

thanks:)
Receivers aren't 6 ohm or 8 ohm per se. Receivers can handle 8 ohm more easily then 6 ohm but most receivers can easily handle both. It is when you get into hard to drive speakers that dip into the 2ohm and 4 ohm area that a seperate amp might be a good idea as many receivers don't have the power supply to drive those speakers.

Receivers aren't 6 ohm or 8 ohm per se. Receivers can handle 8 ohm more easily then 6 ohm but most receivers can easily handle both. It is when you get into hard to drive speakers that dip into the 2ohm and 4 ohm area that a seperate amp might be a good idea as many receivers don't have the power supply to drive those speakers.

I understand!!and thanks!

so the other part of my question about the paradigms being "Compatible with 8 ohms".are they 8ohm are 6ohm speakers?
I have an intergra 8.9 reciever if that matters!!

sorry if my questions sound uneducated!I love great sounding HT and music.just not that versed in electonics but learning everyday thanks to you guys!!hopefully you all wont get tired of my questions:D

Anyone in the Los Angeles area own the Studio 100s along with the CC-690? I had a chance to audition the Studio 100s V5 at a local stereo shop and really appreciated the sound - but im also interested in hearing them with the CC-690 (which the shop didn't have)

Id love to hear them if anyone nearby has them :)

Also - I found a pair of Studio 100s V4 for 1800 + shipping. How do these sound in comparison to the V5s?

Thanks!

I understand!!and thanks!

so the other part of my question about the paradigms being "Compatible with 8 ohms".are they 8ohm are 6ohm speakers?
I have an intergra 8.9 reciever if that matters!!

sorry if my questions sound uneducated!I love great sounding HT and music.just not that versed in electonics but learning everyday thanks to you guys!!hopefully you all wont get tired of my questions:D

I love how Paradigm says that, it's confusing, but truthful I guess since speakers don't really have a fixed impedance from what I understand.

I think it's safe to say that it should be of no concern.

So I'm officially a paradigm owner! I listened to the Monitor 9, SE1 and SE3. The Monitor 9 sounded really great but the SE3 had more detail. I also liked that the SE3 are smaller since I don't have a lot of space for them. I bought the SE3 and the SE Center and they should be here in a couple weeks. Can't wait!

I understand!!and thanks!

so the other part of my question about the paradigms being "Compatible with 8 ohms".are they 8ohm are 6ohm speakers?
I have an intergra 8.9 reciever if that matters!!


I'm driving studio 60's, a CC-590, and four ADP-590 speakers with an Integra 8.9. I have no issues. In fact, the setup sounds great! I have the speaker impedance set to "6 ohms" which is what the manual recommends for any speaker from 6 to 16 ohms.

ok so here is my situation (i.e my bedroom):

Option 1:
The green circles are the areas where i originally wanted to put the ADP-590s but as you can see the rectangle is my listening position so the speakers are directly above my head. is that fine?

Option 2:
The other red ovals are the areas i "could" put them also BUT the problem with this is that one of the positions (the one by the window) is like 10 ft from the LP and also like 5 ft above ear level while the other will be like 4 ft from the LP. so my question is would this be a problem?


what is the best option for me rather than what you guys can see i have it now with the energy speakers on stands.

I would go green. I have much the same situation with a door instead of a window and there seems to be no ill effects from placing the speaker right up near the ceiling. I think the red position above the cabinet will give you problems unless you were to build a top to the cabinet so that the speaker was even with the front of the cabinet. Compared to the position of your current surrounds I think a bi/dipolar speaker will give you quite a bit more "experience" to the surround sound.

The 590 looks way over the top for the size space though. I might have missed your original post but are you considering the 590's to match a set of studio speakers? I would think that even ADP-190's would be more than adequate and would play well with any of paradigm's line as a surround. If you haven't already bought the 590's you could look for used 190's or buy new and use them for back-surrounds if you later upgrade to larger surrounds.

Doug

well, i actually have bought the Signature S4 and Signature C3 but i realise that it makes no sense buying the signature line for surrounds because they have so little material coming through them so i see that as a waste of money. but i will wait to hear some more suggestions.

The signature speakers are cool.....

I've read some recent posts about corner loading surrounds with the couch against the back wall. I know that placing the listening position against the back wall is no good, but sometimes its just a design constraint that we have to work around. I have got some really great feedback if you look over on page 475 of this forum. That being said its still hard to make a decision on purchasing direct radiators or bipole/dipole surrounds. Then their is the issue of placement. I'm still open for more suggestions, and have attached a floor plan this time if anyone is up to taking a look and providing more feedback.

Hello all. I'm upgrading my receiver to the new Onkyo 807 and am trying to decide between the Paradigm Titans and the Studio 20 speaker systems. I'm leaning more towards the Studio series but do you think I should/will need an amp to help power them? Room size is 12x23x8. I can't decide if the studios are worth twice the price, especially if I will need to buy an amp as well. Thanks for any advice.

Yes, the Studio 20's are worth the price, especially if you like the sound better. Also, you should be alright with just the Onkyo AVR. Get the best speakers you can now, they're the most important.

What type of speaker wire should I use for my LRC S6's and C5. I have my wall torn out and getting to run the wire for the speakers that should be here in a couple of weeks.

I love how Paradigm says that, it's confusing, but truthful I guess since speakers don't really have a fixed impedance from what I understand.

I think it's safe to say that it should be of no concern.LOL..........agreed!!

I'm driving studio 60's, a CC-590, and four ADP-590 speakers with an Integra 8.9. I have no issues. In fact, the setup sounds great! I have the speaker impedance set to "6 ohms" which is what the manual recommends for any speaker from 6 to 16 ohms.

wnl....you've been a big help.we will have the same setup unless I go with the 100's,C690 and the sub 15.
I cant wait to get my paradigms to let you know how they perform!!

So I'm officially a paradigm owner! I listened to the Monitor 9, SE1 and SE3. The Monitor 9 sounded really great but the SE3 had more detail. I also liked that the SE3 are smaller since I don't have a lot of space for them. I bought the SE3 and the SE Center and they should be here in a couple weeks. Can't wait!

congrats on your purchase!!looking forward to your review!!

quick question for you experts!!

the Paradigm studio 60's and 100's are quoted as being "Compatible with 8 ohms". I was told that they were 6 ohm speakers.

does this mean you can power them with an 8ohm only reciever?

thanks:)

I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. :D

What type of speaker wire should I use for my LRC S6's and C5. I have my wall torn out and getting to run the wire for the speakers that should be here in a couple of weeks.I'd run Blue Jeans Cable 12g (5000UE).

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

I'm not an expert, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express. :D

maybe that's what I need to do.... ;)

I've read some recent posts about corner loading surrounds with the couch against the back wall. I know that placing the listening position against the back wall is no good, but sometimes its just a design constraint that we have to work around. I have got some really great feedback if you look over on page 475 of this forum. That being said its still hard to make a decision on purchasing direct radiators or bipole/dipole surrounds. Then their is the issue of placement. I'm still open for more suggestions, and have attached a floor plan this time if anyone is up to taking a look and providing more feedback.

In my experience, putting the ADPs in the corners didn't work well at all. I ended up putting them on the back wall up high above seated ear level. Putting them in the corner resulted in a null right in the middle or the couch. If you didn't see the ADPs in my living room, you would be hard pressed to "locate" them during a movie.

So I'm officially a paradigm owner! I listened to the Monitor 9, SE1 and SE3. The Monitor 9 sounded really great but the SE3 had more detail. I also liked that the SE3 are smaller since I don't have a lot of space for them. I bought the SE3 and the SE Center and they should be here in a couple weeks. Can't wait!

Welcome to the Special Edition club. :D

What type of speaker wire should I use for my LRC S6's and C5. I have my wall torn out and getting to run the wire for the speakers that should be here in a couple of weeks.

Get in-wall rated wire at Home Depot, 12g x2 twisted. That's what I used for pre-wire. It's in a green jacket, pretty much the same as the Blue Jeans mentioned below except the price. I think this stuff is like a buck a yard.

Get in-wall rated wire at Home Depot, 12g x2 twisted. That's what I used for pre-wire. It's in a green jacket, pretty much the same as the Blue Jeans mentioned below except the price. I think this stuff is like a buck a yard.Blue Jeans 12g is only $0.52/ft, and much better quality than the Home Depot wire.

I think his Signature Series speakers are worth the extra $0.19/ft. :)

Blue Jeans 12g is only $0.52/ft, and much better quality than the Home Depot wire.

I think his Signature Series speakers are worth the extra $0.19/ft. :)
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Paradigm DSP 3100 or 3200 anyone have one? Like or dislike it? I want to pair it with monitor 7's, adp, mathcing cc. Can you please tell me your thoughts on this sub. Looking to spend under $500, its for my dad and he is thinking about the DSP 3100 because of cost and size and can match the color. 70% music 30% tv/dvd 14x14x9ft high room. He listens at lower levels and just wants something nice to compliment the speakers. THoughts? Advice? Help... thanks

Blue Jeans 12g is only $0.52/ft, and much better quality than the Home Depot wire.

I think his Signature Series speakers are worth the extra $0.19/ft. :)

Monoprice is less than half the price, and the same quality. Copper is copper.

I'll never understand this logic of "it's worth spending $xxx more on wire for these speakers!"...

Bluejeanscable does give you the option of selecting which type of wire you like. Although the performance difference is unlikely to be noticed except in longer runs or with really bad interference in the house with the better shielded wiring. Also the jackets they use are very durable, rather than buying bare wire.

Bluejeanscable does give you the option of selecting which type of wire you like. Although the performance difference is unlikely to be noticed except in longer runs or with really bad interference in the house with the better shielded wiring. Also the jackets they use are very durable, rather than buying bare wire.

Copper is copper... 12AWG will handle runs that exceed the length of anyone's house.

I'm looking at a used Signature center speaker but not sure what to do. I was planning on getting Studios but if I can get Sigs for a decent price, why not? However, if I end up getting a Singature center but can't swing the the Signatures for the left and right, how would the Signature center work with Studio left and rights? And on a side note, would it be possible to type 'signature' and 'studio' any more times than I just did in the last three sentances?

Thanks,

Matt

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I'm looking at a used Signature center speaker but not sure what to do. I was planning on getting Studios but if I can get Sigs for a decent price, why not? However, if I end up getting a Singature center but can't swing the the Signatures for the left and right, how would the Signature center work with Studio left and rights? And on a side note, would it be possible to type 'signature' and 'studio' any more times than I just did in the last three sentances?

Thanks,

Mattthey blend well together

Copper is copper... 12AWG will handle runs that exceed the length of anyone's house.

I agree with you 100% that copper is cooper, but if your speaker wire is not hidden one may be willing to pay more for a nicer looking wrapper.

Monoprice is less than half the price, and the same quality. Copper is copper.

I'll never understand this logic of "it's worth spending $xxx more on wire for these speakers!"...I can't imagine anyone saying Blue Jeans Cable is overpriced, by any measure.

I agree with you 100% that copper is cooper, but if your speaker wire is not hidden one may be willing to pay more for a nicer looking wrapper.there are more things to consider. the amount of strands, alloy blend, insulation ect.

I can't imagine anyone saying Blue Jeans Cable is overpriced, by any measure.its just belden cable you could probally get it cheaper elsewhere.

they blend well together

Thanks!

ok so here is my situation (i.e my bedroom):

Option 1:
The green circles are the areas where i originally wanted to put the ADP-590s but as you can see the rectangle is my listening position so the speakers are directly above my head. is that fine?

Option 2:
The other red ovals are the areas i "could" put them also BUT the problem with this is that one of the positions (the one by the window) is like 10 ft from the LP and also like 5 ft above ear level while the other will be like 4 ft from the LP. so my question is would this be a problem?


what is the best option for me rather than what you guys can see i have it now with the energy speakers on stands.

anyone??? please refer to actual post for the pics of the room and possible placement.

Any in-ceiling Paradigm owners browsing this thread using them for home theater? What range are you using? I've always been a Paradigm guy but am having a hard time finding info and not able to audition them really... sucks.

Any input appreciated!

Hey all,
I'll make this quick......
I'm considering the Signature C1 center speaker to go with Studio 60's and the Sub 12. The reason for this basically is size limitations in my AV stand and uncertainty over the CC-490 center speaker.
Has anyone ever mixed series, and what are the negative, if any, consequences of doing this? In MY mind moving up a level for the center can only be good......??
I'm also trying to learn what the important spec's are to pay attention to when considering a certain speaker. I know drivers are important but I'm not sure how to interpret the spec's and understand which one's I should pay attention to.
Currently have Monitor 9, CC-290, DSP-3400.
Thanks.

I agree with you 100% that copper is cooper, but if your speaker wire is not hidden one may be willing to pay more for a nicer looking wrapper.

there are more things to consider. the amount of strands, alloy blend, insulation ect.

I hear you, just trying to avoid the whole speaker wire discussion. :)

Hey all,
I'll make this quick......
I'm considering the Signature C1 center speaker to go with Studio 60's and the Sub 12. The reason for this basically is size limitations in my AV stand and uncertainty over the CC-490 center speaker.
Has anyone ever mixed series, and what are the negative, if any, consequences of doing this? In MY mind moving up a level for the center can only be good......??
I'm also trying to learn what the important spec's are to pay attention to when considering a certain speaker. I know drivers are important but I'm not sure how to interpret the spec's and understand which one's I should pay attention to.
Currently have Monitor 9, CC-290, DSP-3400.
Thanks.

I believe your only risk in having a better center channel is the sound not matching between your other speakers. So when a sound is made that pans across your speakers, the center might sound a bit different, even if that different is "better."

anyone??? please refer to actual post for the pics of the room and possible placement.

Maybe its time to 1) move. 2) Build an extension, 3) Buy a larger house, or contrary to common practice of most home theater enthusiasts install ceiling speakers for the surround channels.:cool:

Paradigm has a number of good to fine sounding in-wall units that would fit the bill nicely and unobtrusively unlike ANY of the ADP series. Which IMHO make the sound diffuse and cause images to float around.:eek:
And defeat the reason for multi- channel sound to begin with.

this is a very different view to what i have heard from most other persons. "float aorund"??? what do you mean by that???

this is a very different view to what i have heard from most other persons. "float aorund"??? what do you mean by that???

You'll note that the ADP (and similar) designs have radiators pointing in opposite directions from each other. These signals are in different time and phase domains relative to each other and relative to the acoustic envirnoment they are attached as well what structures, objects, obstructions are in their respective radiating directions.

When compared to a direct radiator "point source " sonic radiation
is in one direction and time and phase are maintained. Thus the signal arrives is the perfect world arrives in sync and is specific. Unlike the Bi polar or ADP where the signal is already out of phase with its doppelganger possibly causing delayed signal to cancel out, of cause timing issues ergo, a phasey or diffuse sound. Understand that I am not a speaker designer and some of what I offer up is sit of the pants experiences.

My support of this argument is available for anyone to hear in the many upscale IMAX and traditional movie theaters which exist in the market. You will not see the use of ADP type speakers, but simple direct radiators pointing straight out 90* from the walls they are attached to. Sure enough you will find 6-10 units on each side of the theater and as many behind the Front screen to accommodate the multi channel sound tracks.

Think of the ADP design as a Play on the BOSE Direct radiator design speaker, 8 speakers in front firing and one on the rear. All producing the same signa at seemingly the same time, however no matter how good QC is in manufacturing the drivers, there will be variances among the production runs. agreed? Ergo, Time and Phase aberrations.

How many people do you know who own BOSE? Claim they are great sounding speakers? Used in professional setups?

I admit there is a place for ADP speakers. There cover a whole host of sins while at the same time create new ones. They keep the cost of additional speaker purchases down while offering sound fill-in to the rear of the theater. Unless you're wealthy, the number of consumer designed Home theaters that seat more than 8 people adequately is very limited indeed as the cost to build something larger goes up exponentially.

So much for my stream of consciousness. ;)

Hey, what's up guys.

A few pages back (10 pages maybe?) I said I was planning on buying parts for a 2.1 system. I already have the DSP-3400, and I'm pretty set on getting the studio 20's as my mains, but because of some recent events (stuff selling on ebay) I have more cash than I initially planned, enough for the studio 60's actually.

Anyways, I haven't had the chance to A/B the two yet (plan on it next week sometime?), but I was wondering ya'lls opionions on the two speakers for 2.1? I heard the 60's were very nice for music because of the smaller drivers... I will be doing mostly music still, probably 60 music/20 games /20 movies.

Powering them won't be a problem as I already have purchased the Integra DTM-5.9 and two Emotiva UPA-1's(waiting for these to arrive).

Thanks :)

Any in-ceiling Paradigm owners browsing this thread using them for home theater? What range are you using? I've always been a Paradigm guy but am having a hard time finding info and not able to audition them really... sucks.

Any input appreciated!

I'm using a pair of CS-50Rs as rear channels in my 7.1 setup. They're about 4 feet behind my main seating position (7.5' ceiling). They match well with my Atom fronts, CC-190 center and ADP-190 surrounds. As rear channels only, they work well for me but I wouldn't want to use them for a front sound stage.

Still in work... 7.1


L/R: Definitive BP-8's
Center: C5 WHAT AN AMAZING ADDITION!
Surround sides: SA-15R Ceilings
Surround backs: SA-15R-30 Ceilings
Sub: Velodyne SPL-1000 Series 1

I may replace the BP-8's with Paradigms or possibly B&W 805's that I currently own.

Panasonic 65" Plasma TH-65PZ850U
Pioneer Elite SC-05

Advice?

Mike

So much for my stream of consciousness. ;)

There are a number of misconceptions in your post, and I won't try to address them all. But I will point out that the arrays of many direct radiators you see at movie theaters all produce sound that arrives at your ear with different relative phase, and the net result is a diffuse surround sound field. The audio engineers that do the theatrical audio mixes expect that the surround channels will generate diffuse sound, and mix accordingly. Unless you are willing to mount 10+ direct radiators on each side of your home theater, the closest you are going to get to the sound engineer's intent is to use dipole surrounds.

Dipoles in a home theater environment are still able to be localized to a region of the room, just not as precisely as a direct radiator. I use four Signature ADPv1s as my surrounds, and I can tell exactly which speaker is generating sound in a 7.1 mix, I just couldn't tell you that it's 8 feet from the side wall and 7 feet up. You could use dipoles as your mains in a stereo setup and music would sound perfectly natural, just with a 'wider sound stage' than you are used to from direct radiators. The stereo separation effect remains intact.

Unless you listen in an anechoic chamber, ALL speakers (dipole and direct) excite both the direct and reverberant field. Dipoles just proportionally excite more of the reverberant field. They aren't anything like a subwoofer where you are unable to locate the source, however.

EDIT-The above is purely from a home theater perspective. Multi-channel music is more complicated. Some concert DVDs, for instance, will put crowd/ambient noise in the surround channels, and dipoles are AWESOME for making you feel like you are sitting in the audience at the concert. Even for multi-channel studio discs (like AIX Records' stellar offerings), dipoles can still make you feel like 'you are there', but this might be one application where 5-7 identical direct radiators more closely match the engineer's intent.

OK - looking for some opinions here (and I have the hard hat ready).

Current setup is Reference studio 20's for Front, Ref Studio CC for center, and Ref Studio ADP's for side surrounds. All are version 2.

I have an Onkyo 7.1 receiver (I think it's the 607? - can't remember off the top of my head). Home Theater Room is about 12' wide and 14.5' long. Have raised seating and wall treatments (built it using the "standard" methodology from the AVS Forum circa 2001-2003).

I watch blu-rays and do a lot of PS3 gaming through a PS3, as well as standard Verizon Fios HD viewing.

I would now like to add the rear speakers to take advantage of my 7.1 receiver.

Recognizing that the line of speakers I have are no longer made by paradigm, should I:

- Try to find some used v. 2 ADP's to match my sides? (these can be tough to find)

- Buy some used studio 20's and hang those as rears? (these are much easier to find. (Could also get used ver. 2 studio 40's or studio 80's and move the 20's to the rear)

- Buy some Monitor ADP-390's and put them up as rears?

Am not really worried about them visually matching current speakers as my current side ADP's are hidden in a column.

Was hoping not to spend more than $800.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Spike,

How about buying a new pair of Studio 20v5s for your fronts, and moving the old ones to the rear? That would give you the best stereo playback experience for your money, while keeping all of your surround speakers timbre-matched.

Hey, what's up guys.

A few pages back (10 pages maybe?) I said I was planning on buying parts for a 2.1 system. I already have the DSP-3400, and I'm pretty set on getting the studio 20's as my mains, but because of some recent events (stuff selling on ebay) I have more cash than I initially planned, enough for the studio 60's actually.

Anyways, I haven't had the chance to A/B the two yet (plan on it next week sometime?), but I was wondering ya'lls opionions on the two speakers for 2.1? I heard the 60's were very nice for music because of the smaller drivers... I will be doing mostly music still, probably 60 music/20 games /20 movies.

Powering them won't be a problem as I already have purchased the Integra DTM-5.9 and two Emotiva UPA-1's(waiting for these to arrive).

Thanks :)

What about getting a pair of Signature S2's one generation back. There are a lot of dealers that are trying to sell their v2 demos to make room for the v3. I just got mine for a lot less then i would have bought the 60's for.

There are a number of misconceptions in your post, and I won't try to address them all. But I will point out that the arrays of many direct radiators you see at movie theaters all produce sound that arrives at your ear with different relative phase, and the net result is a diffuse surround sound field. The audio engineers that do the theatrical audio mixes expect that the surround channels will generate diffuse sound, and mix accordingly. Unless you are willing to mount 10+ direct radiators on each side of your home theater, the closest you are going to get to the sound engineer's intent is to use dipole surrounds.

Dipoles in a home theater environment are still able to be localized to a region of the room, just not as precisely as a direct radiator. I use four Signature ADPv1s as my surrounds, and I can tell exactly which speaker is generating sound in a 7.1 mix, I just couldn't tell you that it's 8 feet from the side wall and 7 feet up. You could use dipoles as your mains in a stereo setup and music would sound perfectly natural, just with a 'wider sound stage' than you are used to from direct radiators. The stereo separation effect remains intact.

Unless you listen in an anechoic chamber, ALL speakers (dipole and direct) excite both the direct and reverberant field. Dipoles just proportionally excite more of the reverberant field. They aren't anything like a subwoofer where you are unable to locate the source, however.

EDIT-The above is purely from a home theater perspective. Multi-channel music is more complicated. Some concert DVDs, for instance, will put crowd/ambient noise in the surround channels, and dipoles are AWESOME for making you feel like you are sitting in the audience at the concert. Even for multi-channel studio discs (like AIX Records' stellar offerings), dipoles can still make you feel like 'you are there', but this might be one application where 5-7 identical direct radiators more closely match the engineer's intent.Good post!

Do any of you Paradigm owners have any experience with RBH? I am going back to bookshelf/monitor sized speakers in the front and have a very short list. Studio 20s or RBH 61SE/R. For those out there with Studio 20s, are you running a 590 or a 690? Is the 690 overkill for the 20s? I am currently running a Bigfoot for a center if that's a clue. I have had the Studios before, version 3 if I remember correctly, they are probably my favorite bookshelf/monitor. Thought about doing Dynaudio up front as well, maybe a Focus 140, but leaning more towards the Studios or RBH....All thoughts would be much appreciated and thanks for your time.:)

I can't imagine anyone saying Blue Jeans Cable is overpriced, by any measure.

No, they make good quality for the dollar stuff, more than you need to pay but not ridiculously so. Most of my interconnects are Blue Jeans, but I'd never buy speaker wire over the internet when I can go five minutes from my house and buy the same thing for cheaper.

ravingndrooling;

I would take a good look at the Paradigm Sig S2's here....

Your looking at 2 different price ranges here... $1K and $2k for the RBH's
I think you would do better comparing the Sig S2's (I have) and the RBH's (never heard).

The Sigs with the Be tweeter are very hard to beat IMO... and are far more efficient (92db) to drive then the RBH's (87db)..... and the cabinet on the Sig S2's are far nicer then the RBH's, Honestly I'm not even sure how Audioholics rates these speakers so high looking at the 2 in comparison...

Just one mans opinion.... take it for what its worth...

Here's an amazing deal on the S2's on audiogon...
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1271709370&/Paradigm-Signature-S2v2-mapl-e

There are others on there, new in box if you search Audiogon for "Paradigm" I have gotten some great deals on many speakers there... :)

OK - looking for some opinions here (and I have the hard hat ready).

Current setup is Reference studio 20's for Front, Ref Studio CC for center, and Ref Studio ADP's for side surrounds. All are version 2.

I have an Onkyo 7.1 receiver (I think it's the 607? - can't remember off the top of my head). Home Theater Room is about 12' wide and 14.5' long. Have raised seating and wall treatments (built it using the "standard" methodology from the AVS Forum circa 2001-2003).

I watch blu-rays and do a lot of PS3 gaming through a PS3, as well as standard Verizon Fios HD viewing.

I would now like to add the rear speakers to take advantage of my 7.1 receiver.

Recognizing that the line of speakers I have are no longer made by paradigm, should I:

- Try to find some used v. 2 ADP's to match my sides? (these can be tough to find)

- Buy some used studio 20's and hang those as rears? (these are much easier to find. (Could also get used ver. 2 studio 40's or studio 80's and move the 20's to the rear)

- Buy some Monitor ADP-390's and put them up as rears?

Am not really worried about them visually matching current speakers as my current side ADP's are hidden in a column.

Was hoping not to spend more than $800.

Thanks for any thoughts.


Spike I sent you a PM.

Here's an amazing deal on the S2's on audiogon...
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1271709370&/Paradigm-Signature-S2v2-mapl-e

There are others on there, new in box if you search Audiogon for "Paradigm" I have gotten some great deals on many speakers there... :)[/QUOTE]

Warp what do you think of these as far as price http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1272147118
Thinking of some thing like these in my music room
Thanks.

.....Honestly I'm not even sure how Audioholics rates these speakers so high looking at the 2 in comparison...


I don't want to venture too far off topic, and I don't know about you, but I found it a bit disconcerting when they started to sell products they've been, and are, reviewing. I think they've soiled their credibility a bit.

first of all I like to state that I'm not an elctronics expert by any means but I do have a good ear for good sound.with that said I hoped to get some feedback from you guys that are more knowledgable than I.

I looking to upgrade my speakers from some older NHT's and Paradigms.

I presently have an Intergra 8.9 reciever.I looking into getting all paradigms this time.

1st setup: 2 studio 60's
cc 590
4-adp 590's
and the sub 12
2nd system I'm considering:2-studio 100's
CC 690
4-ADP 590's
and a sub 15
my questions are,those who have one or the other or who have heard both what would you guys recommend with the rreciever I have?my room measures 19x21.

also I was wondering what most of you guys think of ordering these speakers online such as from a company like www.audiophileliquidator.net .

thanks in advance!!your suggestions and comments will be greatly appreciated!!
hopefully I posted this in the right thread:D

Is it me or did they pull all their Paradigm products off the internet???

There are a number of misconceptions in your post, and I won't try to address them all. But I will point out that the arrays of many direct radiators you see at movie theaters all produce sound that arrives at your ear with different relative phase, and the net result is a diffuse surround sound field. The audio engineers that do the theatrical audio mixes expect that the surround channels will generate diffuse sound, and mix accordingly. Unless you are willing to mount 10+ direct radiators on each side of your home theater, the closest you are going to get to the sound engineer's intent is to use dipole surrounds.

Dipoles in a home theater environment are still able to be localized to a region of the room, just not as precisely as a direct radiator. I use four Signature ADPv1s as my surrounds, and I can tell exactly which speaker is generating sound in a 7.1 mix, I just couldn't tell you that it's 8 feet from the side wall and 7 feet up. You could use dipoles as your mains in a stereo setup and music would sound perfectly natural, just with a 'wider sound stage' than you are used to from direct radiators. The stereo separation effect remains intact.

Unless you listen in an anechoic chamber, ALL speakers (dipole and direct) excite both the direct and reverberant field. Dipoles just proportionally excite more of the reverberant field. They aren't anything like a subwoofer where you are unable to locate the source, however.

EDIT-The above is purely from a home theater perspective. Multi-channel music is more complicated. Some concert DVDs, for instance, will put crowd/ambient noise in the surround channels, and dipoles are AWESOME for making you feel like you are sitting in the audience at the concert. Even for multi-channel studio discs (like AIX Records' stellar offerings), dipoles can still make you feel like 'you are there', but this might be one application where 5-7 identical direct radiators more closely match the engineer's intent.

I like the explanation here and have a question related to one I posted earlier, but with more detail....

I do not have a perfect listening room. I am restricted in speaker placement, and the so called side surrounds are back behind the listening area (two corners). With an open side, I do not have any way to put two surrounds in the same general position, so I dropped them both back. Levels are calibrated and balanced.

As a wrinkle, I have tried a couple of different "surrounds" in these positions. I have a set of old Titans that worked fine, but I have also tried some Bose 301's in the same position. The 301's have a dual rear port and reflecting tweeter. I do not really have a preference, except the 301's sound a bit brighter during some surround events. Maybe I cannot hear the spatial differences in this position --

My prior question asked if a Studio 10 would be a good surround with Studio 60's. The explanation above made me wonder if a dipole speaker like an ADP (or a reflecting speaker like the Bose 301!) might actually provide better potential sound than a direct front radiating speaker.

I am learning there are no perfect rooms in my life.

Yah, I've been watching Audiogon and have seen the Sigs. I would prefer to buy my speakers new from an authorized dealer....maybe. There is a gent on this board that contacted me who is a 'digm dealer, sounds like a good guy. I have also found a couple of RBH dealers that are willing to deal with me, so the 20s and 61se/rs become do-able. I wouldn't mind Sigs, but then I will be spending a lot more for the center and the surrounds. Not a bad thing, but in todays world I need to be a little bit more price conscience. So, what do you think would be better, last version of Sigs or newest version of Studios?? I'm only interested in the 20s and S2s though.

Is it me or did they pull all their Paradigm products off the internet???
Sure looks like it. I doubt they sold all the speakers they were selling last week. I'd speculate they weren't procuring their Paradigms from out-of-business dealers, but from an authorized dealer trying to make a few bucks by selling in quantity to a place like this and he probably got caught.

Do an AVS search on audiophileliquidators before you purchase. Not speaking from personal experience but the reviews from actual customers are less then glowing...just saying.

My prior question asked if a Studio 10 would be a good surround with Studio 60's. The explanation above made me wonder if a dipole speaker like an ADP (or a reflecting speaker like the Bose 301!) might actually provide better potential sound than a direct front radiating speaker.

If you only care about the sound in a particular seating position, I think using Studio 10s for surrounds would be great. ADPs cost a lot more than direct radiators (due to more drivers), and the aural difference isn't huge. My home theater is a 900 sf great room with a bar, ping pong table, dartboard, big sectional, etc, so I figured dipoles would be the best way to uniformly fill the room with sound all over.

If you only care about the sound at a particular listening position, I don't think dipoles are worth the extra cost.

General Audio near the Chinook C-Train station is also an authorized Reference dealer.

http://www.general-audio.com/

I was there a few weeks ago wanting to listen to some Reference Signature speakers but they didn't have any. I asked about a SUB2, and the salesman said if I ordered one he would personally set it up and test it out of course. He also said if 9000 watts is not enough why not order a pair of them. :)

I think Sounds of Music has a better selection of Paradigm demo speakers. I would go there first.

General Audio (http://generalaudio.ca/home) in Calgary now has the S8, C5, and SUB 25 in the cherry finish on display. I watched a scene from Batman The Dark Knight at full volume and holy crap! The front channel speakers were incredibly loud and clear. I could see the subwoofer visibly shaking the empty chair next to me. Honestly, I have never heard sound that good before. This is a whole level of performance I have never experienced. I'm really looking forward to getting mine next week.

Sounds Of Music has stopped carrying Paradigm and has a few demo models on clearance. This leaves General Audio as the only Paradigm Reference dealer in Southern Alberta.

I'm trying to purchase a set of feet for my C5 Center Channel. I called our local dealer, left a message but they don't respond. Is there another way to buy them?

Mike

General Audio (http://generalaudio.ca/home) in Calgary now has the S8, C5, and SUB 25 in the cherry finish on display. I watched a scene from Batman The Dark Knight at full volume and holy crap! The front channel speakers were incredibly loud and clear. I could see the subwoofer visibly shaking the empty chair next to me. Honestly, I have never heard sound that good before. This is a whole level of performance I have never experienced. I'm really looking forward to getting mine next week.

Sounds Of Music has stopped carrying Paradigm and has a few demo models on clearance. This leaves General Audio as the only Paradigm Reference dealer in Southern Alberta.

what were they powering the system with? did they use separates? or a receiver??

Sorry, I didn't pay attention to that. I was there on my lunch hour to buy some speakers so I didn't have time to linger. They didn't bother telling me and I didn't bother asking.

I'm trying to purchase a set of feet for my C5 Center Channel. I called our local dealer, left a message but they don't respond. Is there another way to buy them?

Mike

You can find a few dealers on audiogon, send them out a message see if they can help you.
A dealer is really the only way to order them.

Atlast I found it. Paradigm owners forum.

My setup includes

Paradigm S4 Signaturre(fronts)
Paradigm C3 Center
Paradigm Monitor 5 (rears)
B&K 7270 ( 200WX7)
B&K ref30 preamp
REL Strata III sub
Technics 100 disc Mega cd changer

This is working good as of now. For music it has great sound stage, But the Instrument separation is not too good when there are lots of voices or instruments involved in teh recording.

I just recently ordered a TUBED DAC from MHDT laboratories taiwan.

Have any of you have used DAC's got significant improvement in the sound quality let me know.

THanks
Pandu

Warp what do you think of these as far as price http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrmoni&1272147118
Thinking of some thing like these in my music room
Thanks.

Yes that is a pretty good price for some S4's....

I paid just shy of that for my .v1 Rosewoods years ago...

They are great speakers....

The new receiver has the option to had "height speakers" for a 9.1 set up using the DLPIIz matix on soundtracks. The speakers would be mounted near the ceiling angled above the L/R floor standing speakers.

My current speakers are Paradigm Studio 60's v3 for the L/R and the 590 v3 for the center. I am looking at the Studio 20's for the height channels. My question would be can I use the 20 v2's for these speakers (sound effects etc), or do I need to stick with the 20 v3's to properly match the L/C/R spearkers. I would group these with surround speakers in the sense of their role in soundtrack....so maybe there might be other options in the paradigm family for the role they'll play?

Thanks for any input.

Ron

What about getting a pair of Signature S2's one generation back. There are a lot of dealers that are trying to sell their v2 demos to make room for the v3. I just got mine for a lot less then i would have bought the 60's for.

I was actually considering the S2 v2 or S4, but no dealer in my area (Denton, Tx) has them to demo. There is one that has the S1 v2, and the S6 v2, but I did not like the sound of the s1, and the s6 is WAY outside of my college budget.

Honestly, when I listened to the Studio 20 vs the S1, I could not hear that much of a difference, but that may just be a function of the s1 being a sealed design. Anyone in the dallas/denton area with signatures? lol. I'm still a few weeks out from buying any speakers, and it's so tough deciding on a certain, though I know I will be MORE than happy with whatever I purchase. BTW, I will only buy the speakers if it comes with a warranty, as my college budget cannot afford to replace a driver before I graduate.

I will probably end up going with the studio 60's as they sounded fantastic with the demo music I had, and I've always had a thing for floorstanders.

p.s. If I didn't drop 3500 on my computer last summer this wouldn't be a problem ;)

I was actually considering the S2 v2 or S4, but no dealer in my area (Denton, Tx) has them to demo. There is one that has the S1 v2, and the S6 v2, but I did not like the sound of the s1, and the s6 is WAY outside of my college budget.

Honestly, when I listened to the Studio 20 vs the S1, I could not hear that much of a difference, but that may just be a function of the s1 being a sealed design. Anyone in the dallas/denton area with signatures? lol. I'm still a few weeks out from buying any speakers, and it's so tough deciding on a certain, though I know I will be MORE than happy with whatever I purchase. BTW, I will only buy the speakers if it comes with a warranty, as my college budget cannot afford to replace a driver before I graduate.

I will probably end up going with the studio 60's as they sounded fantastic with the demo music I had, and I've always had a thing for floorstanders.

p.s. If I didn't drop 3500 on my computer last summer this wouldn't be a problem ;)

As you said they are all great products. The S1 doesn't have the low end that the 20 has but should sound better in the mid and upper range. I was going to get a 20 but was able to get an S2 for just a small premium by buying v2 demo from an authorized dealer. Are you going to pair these with a sub or are they stand alone?

I'm gonna pair em' with a sub. I already got the DSP-3400 v2 :D

p.s. If I didn't drop 3500 on my computer last summer this wouldn't be a problem ;)

LMAO - that was me this week :D

I just ordered up a VTF 1 for my dads system. Mostly music 65% 35% tv dvd for a 14x14 x 9 ft ceiling room. Paired with Paradigm Monitor 7's. I hope we made the right desision on this sub. Anyone want to make us feel good about this purchase?

I just did'nt like the DSP subs in his price range. How do you think this will blend with his speakers? Musics the concerns...

Thanks, Mike

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?

I just ordered up a VTF 1 for my dads system. Mostly music 65% 35% tv dvd for a 14x14 x 9 ft ceiling room. Paired with Paradigm Monitor 7's. I hope we made the right desision on this sub. Anyone want to make us feel good about this purchase?

I just did'nt like the DSP subs in his price range. How do you think this will blend with his speakers? Musics the concerns...

Thanks, Mike

HSU makes good subs. It would be tough to do a whole lot better for the price than theirs. Enjoy!

The new receiver has the option to had "height speakers" for a 9.1 set up using the DLPIIz matix on soundtracks. The speakers would be mounted near the ceiling angled above the L/R floor standing speakers.

My current speakers are Paradigm Studio 60's v3 for the L/R and the 590 v3 for the center. I am looking at the Studio 20's for the height channels. My question would be can I use the 20 v2's for these speakers (sound effects etc), or do I need to stick with the 20 v3's to properly match the L/C/R spearkers. I would group these with surround speakers in the sense of their role in soundtrack....so maybe there might be other options in the paradigm family for the role they'll play?

Thanks for any input.

Ron

Ron, you will be fine with the v2's. The height channels are pretty much 100% ambient, which means any speaker/timber mismatches will be very difficult to notice, if at all. For height I'd definitely stick with the 20's over the ADP's.

If you were selecting speakers for wide channels, then you might want to make sure they are a closer match to your mains (ie. v3), but again, I doubt you would notice much, if any, of a difference.

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?
Are you a first time buyer from that dealer? Then yes do it, if not, ask for a bit more. Just my opinion. I gave right about that amount as a first time buyer and my dealer would not budge at all, so its your choice.

Keep this link in mind:
http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Just got my Paradigm Monitor 9 v4 setup all hooked up to my Pioneer 23txh and it is pure sex to my ears.

I love Paradigm :D

I love Paradigm :D

+1 :cool:

I finally got the balls to push them really well today with my Elite SC-27, all the way to a -5.0db cranking out some Theory of a Deadman songs. OMG I do love them, I had those Studio 100's and Studio 60's flat out rocking (with those dual sub's - wow what fun it was today)

Ron, you will be fine with the v2's. The height channels are pretty much 100% ambient, which means any speaker/timber mismatches will be very difficult to notice, if at all. For height I'd definitely stick with the 20's over the ADP's.

If you were selecting speakers for wide channels, then you might want to make sure they are a closer match to your mains (ie. v3), but again, I doubt you would notice much, if any, of a difference.

That was my (hope) assumption. Thanks for taking the time to respond.

Ron

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?

I just purchased the same speakers. That was the price for the piano black finish. I thought it was a fair price compared to some of the MSRP prices out there (which usually do not list the higher priced piano finish).

About 5 days and counting for mine to actually be here!

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?

for piano black it sounds like a fair (good)deal.the PB finish is usually about $200 more than any other finish.sounds like a 20% discount.jump on it!!:D

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?

WOah what dealer was this?

+1 :cool:

I finally got the balls to push them really well today with my Elite SC-27, all the way to a -5.0db cranking out some Theory of a Deadman songs. OMG I do love them, I had those Studio 100's and Studio 60's flat out rocking (with those dual sub's - wow what fun it was today)

yeah i had mine cranked up that high for the people that came over today. I felt like once i got to 0db, the sound started to get a little iffy. -3.0db is the sweet spot.

You never know what a nice speaker is until you go out an buy some. hopefully one day ill have the funds to run a setup just like the one you got :D

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?

I got a price of $1700 for reg. finish, so if PB costs $100 or $200 more I would say It's a good price.

Has anyone on the board had luck price shopping Signature Series speakers by phone? My local dealer (I live in the upper Midwest) isn't really budging with 5% off MSRP for my planned purchase of a pair of S8s, an associated integrated amp (probably the new Musical Fidelity), and decent quality DAC. I would really prefer to support my local store, but another 5%+ off is nothing to sneeze at when dropping over 10k on a system. I may widen my search geographically, but would prefer to deal over the phone first.

I don't want to encourage price talk, but I do want to discuss Paradigm’s sales model. I’m not sure it’s the same everywhere, but Paradigm’s dealers have a “restricted sales area”. My understanding is they are not allowed to sell to buyers outside of their sales area. For me that effectively meant I had one dealer. Do you have more than one dealer in your sales area? At first I was really annoyed with this until I found out B&W does the same thing.

Other posters have said that Paradigm dealers are not as willing to give big discounts like they did in the past. This might be caused by the weak American dollar. Yesterday the CAN/US exchange rate was 0.97. If you compare Canadian vs US MSRP prices you can see Paradigm was predicting an exchange rate of 0.86 on this years models. Something has to give, and I don’t know who is going to take the loss because of the exchange rate.

Historically the Canadian dollar has been weak against the US dollar, going as low as 0.65 in the year 2000. I suspect the US dealers margin has been reduced which would explain the small discounts they are offering.

I did the same with my SC-25 a few weeks back, I even got into the + category :eek: My 60's v5 played loud and clear, I was completely amazed, equally impressive was the Pioneer, those Ice Amps can throw out some insane power and still keep it clean.

Santapimp27 what kind of AVR/setup do you have.

+1 :cool:

I finally got the balls to push them really well today with my Elite SC-27, all the way to a -5.0db cranking out some Theory of a Deadman songs. OMG I do love them, I had those Studio 100's and Studio 60's flat out rocking (with those dual sub's - wow what fun it was today)

yeah i had mine cranked up that high for the people that came over today. I felt like once i got to 0db, the sound started to get a little iffy. -3.0db is the sweet spot.

You never know what a nice speaker is until you go out an buy some. hopefully one day ill have the funds to run a setup just like the one you got :D

I did the same with my SC-25 a few weeks back, I even got into the + category :eek:

I didn't know what 0dB meant until I came across this yesterday:

http://www.thx.com/consumer/thx-technology/thx-reference-level/

Just dont turn them up to eleven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven)

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Mike/Movies/SpinalTap.jpg

Has anyone on the board had luck price shopping Signature Series speakers by phone? My local dealer (I live in the upper Midwest) isn't really budging with 5% off MSRP for my planned purchase of a pair of S8s, an associated integrated amp (probably the new Musical Fidelity), and decent quality DAC. I would really prefer to support my local store, but another 5%+ off is nothing to sneeze at when dropping over 10k on a system. I may widen my search geographically, but would prefer to deal over the phone first.

I get 20% off across the board from my Paradigm dealer on all Anthem/Paradigm stuff (though I have been a customer for over 10 years). 5% is just ok compared to what I have read others get on here. He might know he is the only dealer in town and you have no joice but to buy from him. The other option is buying used off Audiogon. There is a pair of dealer Demo v2 s8 right now in Cherry wtih full waranty.

Hi all, I attached a little slide show so I can get a little reaction and maybe some suggestions...nice to be among anthusiasts...http://s907.photobucket.com/home/gatomalo1/recentuploads?view=slideshow

Around here there are about 5-6 dealers within an hour of each other.

Very nice Gatomalo... How do you like the 100+690 set up?

Hi all, I attached a little slide show so I can get a little reaction and maybe some suggestions...nice to be among anthusiasts...http://s907.photobucket.com/home/gatomalo1/recentuploads?view=slideshow

What is the Mad Hatter picture doing in there? Are you saying something about the home theatre construction pictures?

Hi all, I attached a little slide show so I can get a little reaction and maybe some suggestions...nice to be among anthusiasts...http://s907.photobucket.com/home/gatomalo1/recentuploads?view=slideshow

I wish I had a basement for a home entertainment area. I suffer with some uncontrolled light issues and a largely open space.... This looks like a great room to be entertained in.

Wondering if you put any special acoustic insulation in the walls?

Hi everyone,

A near by dealer is offering me a pair of Studio 60's (Piano Black) for $1800 + tax = $2034 CDN

Should I pull the trigger? or can I get a better deal?

To chime in here, that is a great deal. Decent deal for the flat black and other finishes, but a great deal for the piano black.

some of you guys have been great in helping me decide on a new paradigm upgrade.in previous post I was going to buy 4-ADP 590's for side and rear surround to go along with either studio 60's or 100's up front with matching center and sub or course!

I've been contemplating on keeping my direct firing speakers that I have now in the rear and just putting 590's on the side.

I would like some input from those who may have had the chance to listen to both or who have 4-ADP 590's for all of your surrounds now!!

I know THX recommends direct firing in the rear but I take that with a grain of salt sort of!

thanks for your input!!

Z

Hi all, I attached a little slide show so I can get a little reaction and maybe some suggestions...nice to be among anthusiasts...http://s907.photobucket.com/home/gatomalo1/recentuploads?view=slideshow

awesome room and system!!

one day I look forward to having "JUST" a media room.right now mine is a "living room/media room" :D

Hi all, I attached a little slide show so I can get a little reaction and maybe some suggestions...nice to be among anthusiasts...http://s907.photobucket.com/home/gatomalo1/recentuploads?view=slideshow

Very nice setup, gatomalo! The 100's and 690 look great. Question...how far apart are the 100's from one another?

some of you guys have been a great in helping me decide on a new paradigm upgrade.in previous post I was going to buy 4-ADP 590's for side and rear surround to go along with either studio 60's or 100's up front with matching center and sub or course!

I've been contemplating on keeping my direct firing speakers that I have now in the rear and just putting 590's on the side.

I would like some input from those who may have had the chance to listen to both or who have 4-ADP 590's for all of your surrounds now!!

I know THX recommends direct firing in the rear but I take that with a grain of salt sort of!

thanks for your input!!

Z

That would depend on your room and seating layout. How far are the seats from the back wall?

i am currently at my friend's house (on his cpu) listening to his Klipsch RF 82s. They seem so loud and clear (being pushed by a Pioneer VSX-23) and the bass is incredible. the sound is very enveloping in the room also (18'x16') . I was looking at them in amazement and saying that i hope the S4s can compare but i was weary because i could "see" the power coming from the RFs because they are floorstanders. has anyone heard the 82s and compare them to the S4s????

Just a question : has anyone stuffed the ports of their Studio 100 v5's ? Not commenting on whether it's desirable or undesirable but I'm interested to know if anyone has done it.

Regards,

Hi all,

Looking at picking up my first ever set of tower speakers in the next couple of weeks and I'm leaning heavily towards a nice pair of Paradigm Studio 60s v5. When I asked my dealer about a matching center, he said that the CC-690 is the appropriate match, and when I look at "Recommended Systems" on Paradigms website, that appears to be true.

However, the CC-690 simply will not fit in my space, not even close actually so the biggest I can get would be the CC-590.

So my question is, would that pose any problems or issues? Will the 590 be overpowered by the 60s or anything like that?

Thanks

I don't want to encourage price talk, but I do want to discuss Paradigm’s sales model. I’m not sure it’s the same everywhere, but Paradigm’s dealers have a “restricted sales area”. My understanding is they are not allowed to sell to buyers outside of their sales area. For me that effectively meant I had one dealer. Do you have more than one dealer in your sales area? At first I was really annoyed with this until I found out B&W does the same thing.

Other posters have said that Paradigm dealers are not as willing to give big discounts like they did in the past. This might be caused by the weak American dollar. Yesterday the CAN/US exchange rate was 0.97. If you compare Canadian vs US MSRP prices you can see Paradigm was predicting an exchange rate of 0.86 on this years models. Something has to give, and I don’t know who is going to take the loss because of the exchange rate.

Historically the Canadian dollar has been weak against the US dollar, going as low as 0.65 in the year 2000. I suspect the US dealers margin has been reduced which would explain the small discounts they are offering.

I just realized the potential faux pas of discusing a pricing related matter on the forum (especially as my 1st post). If it is indeed in bad form I will remove the post ASAP. Pardon my Noobness.

Heavygen

Hi all,

Looking at picking up my first ever set of tower speakers in the next couple of weeks and I'm leaning heavily towards a nice pair of Paradigm Studio 60s v5. When I asked my dealer about a matching center, he said that the CC-690 is the appropriate match, and when I look at "Recommended Systems" on Paradigms website, that appears to be true.

However, the CC-690 simply will not fit in my space, not even close actually so the biggest I can get would be the CC-590.

So my question is, would that pose any problems or issues? Will the 590 be overpowered by the 60s or anything like that?

Thanks


I had the 590 and 60's and it is a perfect match. I now have the 100's and 690 and the 590 would still be a perfect match. There is not a lot of difference between the 590 and 690 in my opinion.

I didn't know what 0dB meant until I came across this yesterday:

http://www.thx.com/consumer/thx-technology/thx-reference-level/

Just dont turn them up to eleven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_to_eleven)



I was curious what my SC-25 and 60's could do, and it was brief, was quite fun but will not be doing that again, I have already lost some hearing from my car audio days...

I think you Paradigm fans will enjoy this:

http://www.ultraaudio.com/twbas/twbas_20100301.htm

Thanks,

Hi all,

Looking at picking up my first ever set of tower speakers in the next couple of weeks and I'm leaning heavily towards a nice pair of Paradigm Studio 60s v5. When I asked my dealer about a matching center, he said that the CC-690 is the appropriate match, and when I look at "Recommended Systems" on Paradigms website, that appears to be true.

However, the CC-690 simply will not fit in my space, not even close actually so the biggest I can get would be the CC-590.

So my question is, would that pose any problems or issues? Will the 590 be overpowered by the 60s or anything like that?

Thanks

I'm not an expert, but think it should work well. The sensitivity of the 590 is pretty close to the 60s, so it should sound OK. I'm using a 590 with my 100s and it's OK, but have a 690 on the way. I think for the 100s it should improve things. (3 db difference with the 590, matched with the 690)

I'm not an expert, but think it should work well. The sensitivity of the 590 is pretty close to the 60s, so it should sound OK. I'm using a 590 with my 100s and it's OK, but have a 690 on the way. I think for the 100s it should improve things. (3 db difference with the 590, matched with the 690)

should sound just Ok? eek

I think you Paradigm fans will enjoy this:

http://www.ultraaudio.com/twbas/twbas_20100301.htm

Thanks,

Jeff,

In this review you state the SUB 2 weighs 289lbs (the same as your October review), but Paradigm website says 233lbs (unpacked) and the printed catalog says 230lbs (unpacked). Can you explain the discrepancy?

http://www.davedraper.com/incl3a.jpg

Why did you pair such small speakers with the largest subwoofer? Is there no benefit having the bass drivers of the S6 or S8 with higher crossover points of 190Hz and 230hz respectively?

http://printliberation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/masterblaster-249x344.jpg

If the Sub 1 or 2 is capable of good upper bass, which I would suggest they should very well be capable of with all the smaller drivers (8" & 10") then there should be no reason that the combination would be any issue.... Just take the load off the S2's and cross higher.

In my setup I am running the Sig S8's, C5 and cross them over pretty high... 120hz xover from the speakers to the 18" LMS sub that is closest to the mains, and the 2 side LMS subs are set to run only up to 80hz, and the rear sub only tops out at 60hz... The impact that I get from a setup such as this is more impactful then most any speaker can ever produce in that range... My Sigs array is basically acting like a line array at this point filling in the necessary easy loads and pretty much limping along - while the 4000w driven 18" LMS's can provide me with the heavy lifting in the most crucial areas - which will knock you on your @$$. The LMS's are pretty much flat all the way up to 500hz... I'm sure the Sub1 & 2 are as well easily capable of such a stretch... a pair of those subs crossed over high would easily produce a fantastic sounding combo.

Trying to ask a 7" driver to provide you with that kind of impact at whatever low crossover you are stretching them to, you better have a really powerful amp to get the S2's to truly belt it out here... to get higher db outputs. Also room size will come into play as well..

All this thought process is suggesting a HT setup with huge variants like 20-30db sweeps as seen in movies.. For music it will serve the same purpose but localization can start to occur here... the way to combat that issue is with multiple subs.

My receiver is a Pioneer Elite VSX-03TXH (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/VSX-03TXH). What do you suggest I do with the bass management for the S8,C5,SUB 2 combo? Should I set the sub crossover to bypass?

I went and listened to some brand new Studios today and was very impressed. I was somewhat shocked with the Studio 10s, they put out alot of sound for their size, and it was pretty damn good! I'm still going to end up with 20s for my front, but I think the 10s will find a home in the surround position. The version 5 impressed me enough that I think I will not even worry about dealing with RBH or Dyns(those crazy Dutch bastards). Now it's just a matter of which center....590 or 690?? Two different Ascend setups including Sierras and a room full of Rockets(which I truly loved) and am back to Studio 20s...I guess I should have kept the room full of 20s when I had them to begin with(version 3) There is just something special about the 20s that just does it for me.
Noah, I will talk with you soon.:D

My receiver is a Pioneer Elite VSX-03TXH (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/VSX-03TXH). What do you suggest I do with the bass management for the S8,C5,SUB 2 combo? Should I set the sub crossover to bypass?

I think you should try a 60hz or 80hz crossover to lessen the load on the receiver.

I just ordered some studio 20's and the cc-590. I was wondering if anyone else that has that center has it in a cabinet, and if so did you do anything special to the cabinet
thanks

I would like some input from those who may have had the chance to listen to both or who have 4-ADP 590's for all of your surrounds now!!


Z:

As you may recall, I have 4 590s for my surrounds and I am very happy with the setup. But I have also pondered the idea of using direct speakers for the back. I think it would work well for my prime seating position, which is about 8 feet in front of the speakers. But I have a second row along the back wall, and those seats are directly in front of the back speakers. I would worry that direct speakers would be overwhelming back there.

I recently used the DVE disk to do some system tweaking and I noticed in the section where the voice moves to the back of the room that the voice got very soft, so soft that it was hard to hear. A sound meter confirms that those speakers are set too low. I find that very puzzling as everything was set via Audyssey and it should have set the volume levels equal. I will probably tweak those up a bit when I get the chance. Not sure if it will still sound muffled once that is adjusted.

But the truth is that I have very little 7.1 material. Most of my rear channel sound is produced via Dolby IIx, so I'm not overly concerned about it. Improving the rear channels might boost the depth or ambiance a bit, but I don't expect to have a significant improvement in the listening experience.

That would depend on your room and seating layout. How far are the seats from the back wall?

about 5ft from the back wall!another thing I didnt mention is,a large portion of the back wall has a book case/cabinets.
so one side of each 590 would be bouncing off of the cabinets.I have direct firing speackers now.(NHT super Z's)

I had the 590 and 60's and it is a perfect match. I now have the 100's and 690 and the 590 would still be a perfect match. There is not a lot of difference between the 590 and 690 in my opinion.

how much different do your 100's sound compared to the 60's? and what are you powering them with?

I'm getting either the 60's or the 100's and not being able to listen to both of them together is making it tough to make a decision!!

not sure if this matters but the main sitting area is about 14ft from the center and front speakers!!

Z:

As you may recall, I have 4 590s for my surrounds and I am very happy with the setup. But I have also pondered the idea of using direct speakers for the back. I think it would work well for my prime seating position, which is about 8 feet in front of the speakers. But I have a second row along the back wall, and those seats are directly in front of the back speakers. I would worry that direct speakers would be overwhelming back there.

I recently used the DVE disk to do some system tweaking and I noticed in the section where the voice moves to the back of the room that the voice got very soft, so soft that it was hard to hear. A sound meter confirms that those speakers are set too low. I find that very puzzling as everything was set via Audyssey and it should have set the volume levels equal. I will probably tweak those up a bit when I get the chance. Not sure if it will still sound muffled once that is adjusted.

But the truth is that I have very little 7.1 material. Most of my rear channel sound is produced via Dolby IIx, so I'm not overly concerned about it. Improving the rear channels might boost the depth or ambiance a bit, but I don't expect to have a significant improvement in the listening experience.

wnl,
as usuall,you're always a big help.let me know the outcome after you do some tweaking on your rears.its getting close for me to pull the trigger!!:D

Is the warranty transferable on used speakers?
Thanx

how much different do your 100's sound compared to the 60's? and what are you powering them with?

I'm getting either the 60's or the 100's and not being able to listen to both of them together is making it tough to make a decision!!

noty sure if this matters but the main sitting area is about 14ft from the center and front speakers!!


I don't think the 100's sound that much different, just more of a good thing. I think they take a really long time to loosen up though. I've had my 60's for three years and the drivers on those are really loose and the sound is amazing, the 100's on the other hand have probably 250hrs on them and the drivers are still pretty tight. The 100's go deeper and louder for sure but I wouldn't say there is a huge difference in the two. I'm only speaking about HT though not 2 CH listening. 2 CH listening I would get the 100's for sure.

I have a Denon AVR4306 but I recently picked up a NAD275BEE to power the 100's. I only went this way because I am building a dedicated room and will be pushing everything more than I do now.

Currently my main seating is about 15' away.

My honest opinion is this, if you can afford the 100's and like the wow factor of them with the grill off (like I do) get them. If money is at all a concern, get the 60's and I guarantee you will be very happy.

Is the warranty transferable on used speakers?
Thanx

Not on Paradigm.

But if you're friends with someone at a retail store you might be able to obtain some sort of coverage..

I just ordered some studio 20's and the cc-590. I was wondering if anyone else that has that center has it in a cabinet, and if so did you do anything special to the cabinet
thanks

Interesting that I'm going to be in the same situation. I will get the Studio
60's with the CC-590 in the near future. Fitting a center speaker that size in an AV stand is a royal pain. I just purchased a new Bell'O AV stand (AVSC-2061E) and I decided I'll have to 'adapt' the stand to work for me when I get the new speakers.
I hate to do it but I'll take the top glass shelf off the AV stand and place the CC-590 on the middle shelf. Then I'll probably wall mount the Kuro-150FD just above the stand. I have Pioneer SC-25 AVR on the lower shelf and that requires 8" for clearance so that contributes to the problem.
I decided to upgrade speakers after I bought the stand.....so this is what happens. I already have a beautiful BDI Eileen AV stand that was $$$ and only three years old that I have sitting waiting for a buyer. That stand wouldn't hold the Pioneer AVR.
One part poor planning by me, and one part real challenge to find a stand that accomodates large AVR's and center speakers.
The CC-490 center would solve the whole issue but I always feel behind the eight ball with center speakers and I want one now that gets it right.
I currently have Monitor 9's, CC-290 center, Dsp-3400 sub.
Also, I know this isn't the proper thread but if any of you have heard the new Paradigm Seismic 110 sub I'd like to know your impressions.
Mike

I don't think the 100's sound that much different, just more of a good thing. I think they take a really long time to loosen up though. I've had my 60's for three years and the drivers on those are really loose and the sound is amazing, the 100's on the other hand have probably 250hrs on them and the drivers are still pretty tight. The 100's go deeper and louder for sure but I wouldn't say there is a huge difference in the two. I'm only speaking about HT though not 2 CH listening. 2 CH listening I would get the 100's for sure.

I have a Denon AVR4306 but I recently picked up a NAD275BEE to power the 100's. I only went this way because I am building a dedicated room and will be pushing everything more than I do now.

Currently my main seating is about 15' away.

My honest opinion is this, if you can afford the 100's and like the wow factor of them with the grill off (like I do) get them. If money is at all a concern, get the 60's and I guarantee you will be very happy.

great info and I apprectiate it!!

this is what I needed to hear.someone listening to them at least 14' to 15' away!!I probably do more HT but thats only because I have to be by myself to really enjoy 2ch listening the way I want to:(

this is why I need a dedicated room !!:rolleyes:

thanks again for the input!!