about 5ft from the back wall!another thing I didnt mention is,a large portion of the back wall has a book case/cabinets.
so one side of each 590 would be bouncing off of the cabinets.I have direct firing speackers now.(NHT super Z's)

At 5ft. you should try just 5.1 with two 590's first. You may find that you won't need the two back speakers at all.

If you are absolutely set on getting the two back speakers and had to decide without actually trying and comparing direct vs dipoles then with 5ft distance and book case/cabinets I would go with direct firing speakers.

this was probably lost in the surround talk, so i guess it's worth a repost.

i am currently at my friend's house (on his cpu) listening to his Klipsch RF 82s. They seem so loud and clear (being pushed by a Pioneer VSX-23) and the bass is incredible. the sound is very enveloping in the room also (18'x16') . I was looking at them in amazement and saying that i hope the S4s can compare but i was weary because i could "see" the power coming from the RFs because they are floorstanders. has anyone heard the 82s and compare them to the S4s????

At 5ft. you should try just 5.1 with two 590's first. You may find that you won't need the two back speakers at all.

If you are absolutely set on getting the two back speakers and had to decide without actually trying and comparing direct vs dipoles then with 5ft distance and book case/cabinets I would go with direct firing speakers.

I tend to agree.for the room that I will be using the system in,buying a set of 590's for the rear might be a waste of money and then maybe not!!I'd hate to spend the money on them and not get the full effect even though I have audessy on my reciever to maybe make some corrections.

maybe for now I'll just put the extra money towards the 100's setup and continue to use the super Z's in the rear.I really dont want to loose my 7.1.
I may have to do some tweaking with the Z's to try to get them to keep up with the 590's.but for rears with HT should'nt be that bad.....right?

what do you or anyone thinks about keeping the super Z's for the rear or what other direct firing speaker to go with the rest of the paradigm system?they would need to be wall mounted!!

I can always get the 590's for rears later:D


thanks again for the input!!!

At 5ft. you should try just 5.1 with two 590's first. You may find that you won't need the two back speakers at all.


And if you only go with 5 channels you can bi-amp the 60s (or 100s). :D
The 8.9 will bi-amp but only if you sacrifice the back channels.

I tend to agree.for the room that I will be using the system in,buying a set of 590's for the rear might be a waste of money and then maybe not!!I'd hate to spend the money on them and not get the full effect even though I have audessy on my reciever to maybe make some corrections.

maybe for now I'll just put the extra money towards the 100's setup and continue to use the super Z's in the rear.I really dont want to loose my 7.1.
I may have to do some tweaking with the Z's to try to get them to keep up with the 590's.but for rears with HT should'nt be that bad.....right?

what do you or anyone thinks about keeping the super Z's for the rear or what other direct firing speaker to go with the rest of the paradigm system?they would need to be wall mounted!!

I can always get the 590's for rears later:D


thanks again for the input!!!

I don't know what your Z's are but I have Studio 20's for rears and ADP590's for sides and it sounds great.

And if you only go with 5 channels you can bi-amp the 60s (or 100s). :D
The 8.9 will bi-amp but only if you sacrifice the back channels.

dont think I havent thought about that already!!!;)

I don't know what your Z's are but I have Studio 20's for rears and ADP590's for sides and it sounds great.

NHT SUPER Z's! I have them wall mounted.I looked at the 20's but dont think they can be wall mounted!!

I have a situation with the back wall that wont allow me to put shelf speakers or stands:( at lest for now!

I might just do what wnl recommended and just bi-amp the fronts and forget about the rears!!:D

I tend to agree.for the room that I will be using the system in,buying a set of 590's for the rear might be a waste of money and then maybe not!!I'd hate to spend the money on them and not get the full effect even though I have audessy on my reciever to maybe make some corrections.

maybe for now I'll just put the extra money towards the 100's setup and continue to use the super Z's in the rear.I really dont want to loose my 7.1.
I may have to do some tweaking with the Z's to try to get them to keep up with the 590's.but for rears with HT should'nt be that bad.....right?

what do you or anyone thinks about keeping the super Z's for the rear or what other direct firing speaker to go with the rest of the paradigm system?they would need to be wall mounted!!

I can always get the 590's for rears later:D


thanks again for the input!!!

I missed the fact that you already had rears, so I would lean even more towards just two ADP's for now, but that's just me. How far apart would the rears be from one another?

I wouldn't worry too much about your Z's matching or keeping up during movies since the limited content sent to them is mostly ambient, which IMHO makes it very difficult to hear any differences between different speakers.

You'll get more out of putting the $ towards 100's, especially if you listen to music.

i am currently at my friend's house (on his cpu) listening to his Klipsch RF 82s. They seem so loud and clear (being pushed by a Pioneer VSX-23) and the bass is incredible. the sound is very enveloping in the room also (18'x16') . I was looking at them in amazement and saying that i hope the S4s can compare but i was weary because i could "see" the power coming from the RFs because they are floorstanders. has anyone heard the 82s and compare them to the S4s????

bump for Kimwyn!!

I missed the fact that you already had rears, so I would lean even more towards just two ADP's for now, but that's just me. How far apart would the rears be from one another?

I wouldn't worry too much about your Z's matching or keeping up during movies since the limited content sent to them is mostly ambient, which IMHO makes it very difficult to hear any differences between different speakers.

You'll get more out of putting the $ towards 100's, especially if you listen to music.

no problem!!!I agree with you!
because of the rear book case/cabinets are about 15' apart.I have them pointing down towards the rear center of the room!if that makes any sense.

your right as for as what ambient sound comes out of the rears.I think I may just bi-amp the fronts and let the 590's do the rest on the sides!!

yep!!thats what I'm going to do.forget about 590's for the rear and just put the extra money towards some 100's,cc690 and a sub 15 with the PBK-1:D

thanks again!!!

this was probably lost in the surround talk, so i guess it's worth a repost.
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Originally Posted by Kimwyn View Post
i am currently at my friend's house (on his cpu) listening to his Klipsch RF 82s. They seem so loud and clear (being pushed by a Pioneer VSX-23) and the bass is incredible. the sound is very enveloping in the room also (18'x16') . I was looking at them in amazement and saying that i hope the S4s can compare but i was weary because i could "see" the power coming from the RFs because they are floorstanders. has anyone heard the 82s and compare them to the S4s????


I don't know if this will be any help but at least it gives you another bump.

When I was doing my auditioning I listened to the Klipsch (either rf62 or rf82) alongside various Monitor models and the Studio 20s. I have no idea how these compare to the S4.

While the Klipsch did have decent power and bass I couldn't get past how harsh and direct the horns seemed compared to all the paradigms. It had been quite a while since I listened to a set: my dad had a set of the corner horns in the 70s and they needed a very large space to mellow out -- he didn't have them long.

So if that is what you mean by weary I agree!
Doug

I don't know if this will be any help but at least it gives you another bump.

When I was doing my auditioning I listened to the Klipsch (either rf62 or rf82) alongside various Monitor models and the Studio 20s. I have no idea how these compare to the S4.

While the Klipsch did have decent power and bass I couldn't get past how harsh and direct the horns seemed compared to all the paradigms. It had been quite a while since I listened to a set: my dad had a set of the corner horns in the 70s and they needed a very large space to mellow out -- he didn't have them long.

So if that is what you mean by weary I agree!
Doug
I listened to the Paradigm S2 compared to the Klipsch RF62. The listening room was far from perfect. Beyond the price difference that can color perception, there are efficiency issues and volume balance that effected the comparison. In general, I thought that the RF62 did a great job with rock music, but less so on Chopin piano and Blue Note jazz.

Without seeing a frequency response curve, my ears thought the Klipsch produced a brighter high end against the Paradigms, and as a larger box speaker, the lower end was also a bit more accentuated. The Paradigm S2's had a richer middle end, some might say more balanced, but that is is personal taste. I also think that that is the reason I prefer Paradigm, my older ears are not so set on the high end anymore. In the end, I thought the Klipsch did a good job holding their own against a much more expensive speaker, but I preferred the Paradigms.

I just posted the full story in this thread http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1233355 but I figured this would be the best place to ask... I'm looking for Cherry S4 v1's, because mine were stolen and the rest of my 7.1 system is all Signature V1 speakers. If anyone has some mint speakers, (esspecially in the Calgary, Vancouver, or Victoria area) I'd likely be willing to pay enough to pay for an upgrade to new V2's (note though, that S4's are discontinued, the next closest speaker being S6's)... PM me if anyone's interested...

Does anyone have any recommendation for a TV stand for a 46 in or higher that would fit a CC-690 v.5 center speaker?

Does anyone have any recommendation for a TV stand for a 46 in or higher that would fit a CC-690 v.5 center speaker?

Good luck with that. I have a feeling you'll be looking for one that you can just set the speaker on top of and mount the tv to the wall. Or find a stand that has a rearmount where you can raise the tv up instead of mounting to the wall.

What do you think Monitor 11 (V5) in cherry a pair for 999? Good deal?

What do you think Monitor 11 (V5) in cherry a pair for 999? Good deal?That's about the discounted
price for the v6 version.

That sounds like a big "no" then. Thanks Simpletheater.

I know. I'm hoping to avoid the wall mount option.

I'm looking for something like these type of stands where I can stick the CC-690 just below the top surface. I do see some stand out there...but they're 10 inches apart...just too tight and the back is block by some metal bar.

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0076405344148_L4.jpg

Good luck with that. I have a feeling you'll be looking for one that you can just set the speaker on top of and mount the tv to the wall. Or find a stand that has a rearmount where you can raise the tv up instead of mounting to the wall.

What about a Bello stand?

Thanks... I just visited their site and it has spec to their stands...I'll have to see if they have any stands with at least 11 inches clearance.

What about a Bello stand?

I ordered the Salamander Designs Synergy System (http://www.salamanderdesigns.com/syn/index.jsp) using a single height module and a mount to get the panel higher than a Signature C5.

I haven't received it yet, so I can't confirm it will work. I expect to get it in another week or so.

http://70.75.2.101/synergytriple.jpg

Does anyone have any recommendation for a TV stand for a 46 in or higher that would fit a CC-690 v.5 center speaker?

Hmmmm......tough endevor!!I'm also looking at uprgrading to 100's with the CC690 from an older CC370.I havent found any stands that would fit but I do have the luxury of being able to modify my existing shelves but would like to have something a little newer!!

If I run across something I'll let you know!!

I second the motion on Salamander. You can configure it the way you want. A little pricey, but worth it.

I've had mine for 3 years and love it! :D

Paradigm Thread: Over 1 Mega views!!!!

I know. I'm hoping to avoid the wall mount option.

I'm looking for something like these type of stands where I can stick the CC-690 just below the top surface. I do see some stand out there...but they're 10 inches apart...just too tight and the back is block by some metal bar.

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0076405344148_L4.jpg


look into the bdi arena series.

I don't think it's the height in as much as the width of the 690 that will be a problem. I think find a stand that you like. I think inevitably the 690 will be on top of a stand not in a cubby in the stand.

On a side note I had a similar issue ended up getting a local cabinet/furniture maker to make me a more or less clone of a standout designs model. Cost me less than half as much. It's solid beech except for the rear of the cabinet.

http://www.standoutdesigns.com/store/pc/Horizon-N702-Solid-Wood-TV-Console-p180.htm

On my Salamander setup I have 3-20"x 20" lowers with a 5' 6" x 10" open above the 20s.

I currently have a 590 in that open space which has the same height as a 690. A 690 is on the way.


http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss168/ayerton012/Home%20Theater/P1040491R.jpg?

I am using a Whalen from best buy and it works very well for my 470. I am very familiar with the 690 and there is enough room for it

Stand at best buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Whalen+Furniture+-+TV+Stand+for+Flat-Panel+TVs+Up+to+60%22+or+Tube+TVs+Up+to+32%22+-+Brown+Cherry/8387113.p?id=1179876185999&skuId=8387113)


http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-9/839120/IMG00406-20100227-1227.jpg

I guess my think with the Salamander is it's a great stand but a little pricy. You could save a bunch of money buy just rear mounting the tv to the stand or the wall and placing the speaker on top. That's essentially how that salamander is set up. I guess there's also the question of WAF.

This is a photo of the stand I had built. The tv is a 56" DL. the opening is 10" x 25.5". The entire thing is 70". Oh yeah and there are casters underneath totally hidden. I really really like the unit and it was <$700.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4039/4420058353_8b30b5ae58_o.jpg

I know. I'm hoping to avoid the wall mount option.

I'm looking for something like these type of stands where I can stick the CC-690 just below the top surface. I do see some stand out there...but they're 10 inches apart...just too tight and the back is block by some metal bar.

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0076405344148_L4.jpg

Chris,

As others' have echoed, I use a Salamander triple twenty with a 11" riser. I had a C5 in the riser and it fit perfectly. Seeing as the 690 is almost the same height, that would be an option, or get the triple twenty with the LCD pole for mounting and lay the center on top of that. I love the synergy series, lots of things you can customize.

Hi,

I have an Energy speaker system. RC-70, LCR, RC10s, ESWV10. I am thinking about upgrading to Signature 100s, CC690. Do you think this would be a significant upgrade. I mostly use my system for home theatre. I would use Signature 20s for rears, as I do not have any rear walls nearby. My theatre is in my finished basement, very large room with the theatre in an alcove. Thank you.

Hi,

I have an Energy speaker system. RC-70, LCR, RC10s, ESWV10. I am thinking about upgrading to Signature 100s, CC690. Do you think this would be a significant upgrade. I mostly use my system for home theatre. I would use Signature 20s for rears, as I do not have any rear walls nearby. My theatre is in my finished basement, very large room with the theatre in an alcove. Thank you.

To be prefectly honest I don't think it would be a "significant" upgrade. The RC series are quite good, and for HT I doubt you'd get much of an improvement, maybe a bit by going to a bigger center, but not so much with the mains.

If it were me I'd upgrade the sub and see what you think first. If your room is "very large" I think the ESWV10 would be the weak link.

Thanks Noah! I would love to see pictures :)

Thanks everyone for their suggestion...a lot of good options.

Chris,

As others' have echoed, I use a Salamander triple twenty with a 11" riser. I had a C5 in the riser and it fit perfectly. Seeing as the 690 is almost the same height, that would be an option, or get the triple twenty with the LCD pole for mounting and lay the center on top of that. I love the synergy series, lots of things you can customize.

Dudes: cc-290 or cc-390? I'll be getting some Monitor 9's and wanted to get your opinion on the center speaker. Obviously, go with the superior one. However, is it worth the difference in price? I will be using it primarily for HT movie viewing.

Thanks for your time and opinion!

Dudes: cc-290 or cc-390? I'll be getting some Monitor 9's and wanted to get your opinion on the center speaker. Obviously, go with the superior one. However, is it worth the difference in price? I will be using it primarily for HT movie viewing.

Thanks for your time and opinion!

HT = get best center possible. Compare the two yourself to see if the price is worth it (based on your personal value of money), but you should try to get the 390.

Hi,

I'm currently using Studio100s with cc690 and 4 x adp590s with onkyo 3007. But having difficulties about power for both stereo and movies. As you know, S100s are power hungry and I'm planning to change 3007 with a Pioneer sc-lx90. Do you guys think pioneer's 200w per channel will be enough for the beasts. I will use bi-amp connection for front stage. I wish I could buy Anthem pre-power but in Turkey they are really expensive and I can't afford them for now. I asked a friend of mine to bring me Pio from hong kong, it will cost me around 3500$ + the money that will come from onkyo 3007. Any opinions?

any ideas?

does anyone have a clue what type of mounts i can use to get the ADP-590s (or ADP-3s) to look like the speakers pbc has mounted as his rear surrounds in the pic below???

does anyone have a clue what type of mounts i can use to get the ADP-590s (or ADP-3s) to look like the speakers pbc has mounted as his rear surrounds in the pic below???

The ADPs are Dipoles and the ones in the pic look like direct radiators. I don't believe that it is recommended to mount Dipoles in that fashion. (Corner/angled)

FYI: I have 2 590s and haven't seen that in the recommended installations.

If you had to do a corner mount, you would have to build some bracket in the corner to hang these on. They mount on a top/center hanging bracket provided with unit..

any ideas?

Why not just use the Onkyo as a pre and get a nice amp. I dont know if emotiva delivers to Turkey but lm sure you can find something. It seems like it would be a waste to start over if power is your only problem with the receiver. That pioneer is a beast that should get the job done but I would just go with an Amp and save some cheese.

The ADPs are Dipoles and the ones in the pic look like direct radiators. I don't believe that it is recommended to mount Dipoles in that fashion. (Corner/angled)




Those are ADP's.... Why not just ask pbc through PM as to what mounts he got....

The ADP's are meant to just smear sound around the room, I highly doubt mounting them in that fashion will prove a problem and work just fine.....

No, they are Mirage OMR2's and are dipole (well, "omnipolar" per Mirage). Kimwyn did PM me, but in any event I've added some comments in my HT thread (link in my sig).

Why not just use the Onkyo as a pre and get a nice amp. I dont know if emotiva delivers to Turkey but lm sure you can find something. It seems like it would be a waste to start over if power is your only problem with the receiver. That pioneer is a beast that should get the job done but I would just go with an Amp and save some cheese.

Well thank you.

I know Emotiva delivers to Turkey and I wish I could get one but we have probably the worst customs office in whole world :D. Its cost will be tripled after taxes and delivery. In addition, currently I don't have a place to put a gigantic power amp. Maybe after if I change the house and have a cinema room, I will go with Anthem Statement. But now, buying another power amp will cost me the same.

And also I don't really like the sound character of Onkyo, especially in movies. They are very flat. It's a good thing for music for sure, but I would like to hear more bright sounds for movies. I've listened Pioneer VSX-AX5ais and Sony 9000es here, both sounds closer the sound I'd like to hear. I want to kill 2 birds with one stone.

I just want to be sure that Susano will be enough for Studios because I will not have the chance to return it. But as you said, i think it will get the job done.

Hey guys, I am considering making my own acoustic panels with the Owens corning 703 and basic supplies. Found a video on youtube about it...just wondering what if you guys had any input on this product/DIY project.

Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lc0BjFHoA8

I just want to be sure that Susano will be enough for Studios because I will not have the chance to return it. But as you said, i think it will get the job done.

It will absolutely do the job. If it had Audyssey I might have given up my separates for that unit. (Right now I run the Denon AVP & ICE amps.)

I know. I'm hoping to avoid the wall mount option.

I'm looking for something like these type of stands where I can stick the CC-690 just below the top surface. I do see some stand out there...but they're 10 inches apart...just too tight and the back is block by some metal bar.

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0076405344148_L4.jpg

I have a similar stand for my setup. Bought it from walmart ;) Pretty sure the cc-690 is on the high end for maximum weight per shelf, but it works. Definitely a tight fit! The speaker pretty much takes up the entire top shelf. Definitely glad I was too lazy to lower the TV when I first set it up :P

Hey guys, I am considering making my own acoustic panels with the Owens corning 703 and basic supplies. Found a video on youtube about it...just wondering what if you guys had any input on this product/DIY project.

Thanks


Yeah that's pretty basic and simple to do.
My room is fairly narrow so I just used 3/4 inch O.C. with a 3/4" airspace behind. They still did a good job, and combined with some bass trapping the room turned out excellent, it's well worth the effort. You can see them on the side walls here;

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z212/RNRGAGNE/DSC00893.jpg

Regarding mounting ADP's in corners... they do a fine job of "smearing the sound around" and I have used these shelves for my 590's in the past. http://www.creativeconnectors.com/corner.html
Sometimes a corner placement is the only decient one available. I'd try and keep them away from the ceiling if going with a corner mount though. Too many nearby surfaces will overemphasize the lower midrange.

Well thank you.

I know Emotiva delivers to Turkey and I wish I could get one but we have probably the worst customs office in whole world :D. Its cost will be tripled after taxes and delivery. In addition, currently I don't have a place to put a gigantic power amp. Maybe after if I change the house and have a cinema room, I will go with Anthem Statement. But now, buying another power amp will cost me the same.

And also I don't really like the sound character of Onkyo, especially in movies. They are very flat. It's a good thing for music for sure, but I would like to hear more bright sounds for movies. I've listened Pioneer VSX-AX5ais and Sony 9000es here, both sounds closer the sound I'd like to hear. I want to kill 2 birds with one stone.

I just want to be sure that Susano will be enough for Studios because I will not have the chance to return it. But as you said, i think it will get the job done.

Wow thats not good that you dont like the Onkyo. I was thinking about getting one. Not that exact model cause I dont have that kind of a system but I was looking at the 807. I am going to rethink that now. I dont really have alot of experince with pioneer elite but the reviews of the ice amps all say they are great. I have a Denon reciever now and I love it but lack of Dolby True HD is getting on my nerves. I would go with the 2310 but I dont want to get a new receiver later on if I get the studio 100s. I know it would work now with the studio 20s but I need preamp outputs just in case. Thanks for the heads up and I hope everything works out for you.

Thanks rnr, what kind of bass trappings would you recommend?

Just because one person doesn't like the Onkyo doens't mean you won't like it mjpearce. I think a lot of people use Onkyos to power their Paradigms. Some people like Pioneer, others do not. The best thing you can do is listen to both and pick the one you like best. We all have different tastes. My dad used to tell me, "That's why they make chocolate, strawberry, & vanilla ice cream."

Thanks rnr, what kind of bass trappings would you recommend?

That would depend on a lot of things but you could put those DIY panels in the corners as bass traps too.

Go do some nosing around here;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=91

The sticky "Home Theater 101" has got some great links on the subject, and search "bass traps" in general.


Anyone reading this that wants the most out of their system should be spending some time learning about room acoustics & treatments.
You will get more bang for your HT dollar here in terms of appreciable results than just about anything, with speakers being second on the list.

Just because one person doesn't like the Onkyo doens't mean you won't like it mjpearce. I think a lot of people use Onkyos to power their Paradigms. Some people like Pioneer, others do not. The best thing you can do is listen to both and pick the one you like best. We all have different tastes. My dad used to tell me, "That's why they make chocolate, strawberry, & vanilla ice cream."

Exactly, it's important to experience before you buy. It doesn't mean Onkyo 3007 is a bad receiver, no, it is really good actually. But ''I'' don't like very much its sound in movies, however, when I think about it, it is really successful too. It's all about taste. And main reason to change it is my power requirements. I wouldn't think of changing onkyo if 3007 can drive Studio100s easily. Just be sure of the receiver will drive your speakers. If they don't, you will start to listen music in mono mode like me listening with cc690 :D. It has 2 bass drivers but it makes me hear much more bass than stereo mode with S100s which has 6 of bass drivers. It not only the basses. Details, sound stage, depth...

Just because one person doesn't like the Onkyo doens't mean you won't like it mjpearce. I think a lot of people use Onkyos to power their Paradigms. Some people like Pioneer, others do not. The best thing you can do is listen to both and pick the one you like best. We all have different tastes. My dad used to tell me, "That's why they make chocolate, strawberry, & vanilla ice cream."

well said!
I ended up with the integra reciever after listening to a few and thought it sounded better than the rest.but hey,that's just my ears:D

I guess it also depends on how many different speackers you can listen to with different recievers.which isnt always easy to do.

Yea I wish I could find a store that carries onkyo around here. I was going to order it form accessories for less. I have heard before that onkyo dosnt have a great power suply since the 05s. I know the 805 was a beast but I cant find one. Im going to go thru the 807 and 707 owners thread and see what people are saying. I could get the Marantz 5003 but I know the 5004s have problems with dying. I dont know anywhere to get a good deal on the pioneer elites so Im gonna have to pass on that. Thanks for the advice.

Just because one person doesn't like the Onkyo doens't mean you won't like it mjpearce. I think a lot of people use Onkyos to power their Paradigms. Some people like Pioneer, others do not. The best thing you can do is listen to both and pick the one you like best. We all have different tastes. My dad used to tell me, "That's why they make chocolate, strawberry, & vanilla ice cream."

I use both 8-)

Pioneer with Monitors in the lounge.
Onkyo (feeding a power amp) with Sigs in the Media room.

Both work well for me but as others have said you need to find a combination that works well for you and produces the sort of sound you like.

If anyone here is from the Edmonton, Alberta area and is interested in the Sub 12, I'm looking to unload my duals.

PM me for details...

If anyone here is from the Edmonton, Alberta area and is interested in the Sub 12, I'm looking to unload my duals.

PM me for details...

I am from Edmonton and I dont need them I dont think...lol...but I will ask around for you man!!

If anyone here is from the Edmonton, Alberta area and is interested in the Sub 12, I'm looking to unload my duals.

PM me for details...

I'm not from around there but I have to ask, WHY and how much. You can PM me if you like. But WHY.

Does anyone know if the PBK is compatible with the ultracubes?

Still in work... 7.1


L/R: Definitive BP-8's
Center: C5 WHAT AN AMAZING ADDITION!
Surround sides: SA-15R Ceilings
Surround backs: SA-15R-30 Ceilings
Sub: Velodyne SPL-1000 Series 1

I may replace the BP-8's with Paradigms or possibly B&W 805's that I currently own.

Panasonic 65" Plasma TH-65PZ850U
Pioneer Elite SC-05

Advice?

Mike

Pictures finally.

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/IMG_2103_compress.JPG

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/IMG_2106_compress.JPG

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/IMG_2112_compress.JPG

This thread has how many posts?!!! WOW!
Anyway, can someone tell me the differences between the different Titan versions and which may be preferred or which to avoid? Thanks!

Very nice flooring...does the full gloss reflect the TV, or reflect light onto the TV?

Does anyone know if the PBK is compatible with the ultracubes?
This is a link from Paradigms website:
http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/subwoofers-paradigmperfectbasskit%28pbk1%29-pbk1-model-5-30-4-26.paradigm#

Click the "Use it With" link on the right hand side.

This thread has how many posts?!!! WOW!
Anyway, can someone tell me the differences between the different Titan versions and which may be preferred or which to avoid? Thanks!

The version 1 thru 4 were the performance series. They were right below the monitor series. Starting with v5 they became part of the monitor series and got more expensive. If you want version 1 thru 4 the Monitor 3s or mini monitors would be better. V5 or 6 I would take the titans because they are the same as the minis with a bigger woofer.

my dealer just texted me that April 1st paradigm will be raising the price on studio 100's by $150 and the ADP590's by $50!

anyone else here about this?

Pictures finally.



OK, now we believe you actually own them :D

my dealer just texted me that April 1st paradigm will be raising the price on studio 100's by $150 and the ADP590's by $50!

anyone else here about this?

No , but it's not surprising given the strength of the Canadian dollar and rumors it will exceed the US greenback soon. They used to get $1.20 CDN (and more) for a US buck and are getting $1.02 today with the possibility of it getting to $0.98 or lower.
We had to deal with the reverse up here when buying US goods like cars and trucks.

First I want to thank those that have helped me in making a decision on setup and speacker choice.

I thought I had made my final decision on studion 100's,cc690,sub 15 and 2 ADP590s for sides.keep my direct firing speackers in the rear wall mounted due to bookcase/cabinets,bi-amp the 100's and buy a amp for the rear NHT super z's!

some suggestions were to try some 20's for the rear but to much modification would have to take place for shelf mounted speackers.

here's my new delima!

my brother has a set of studio 40 v4's that he wants to give me/let use indefintily for my rears:eek:

will these be overkill for the rears?if not,I think I may be willing to do whatever modifications I would need to do to use them for my rears beings they are free!!:D

keep in mind that on the shelves they will only be about 5' or a little less behind me!!

thanks again for the help:)

No , but it's not surprising given the strength of the Canadian dollar and rumors it will exceed the US greenback soon. They used to get $1.20 CDN (and more) for a US buck and are getting $1.02 today with the possibility of it getting to $0.98 or lower.
We had to deal with the reverse up here when buying US goods like cars and trucks.

thanks!!that's what I was afraid of.only because I'm about to buy some more paradigms:rolleyes:

I guess this may benefit you guys tough?

First I want to thank those that have helped me in making a decision on setup and speacker choice.

I thought I had made my final decision on studion 100's,cc690,sub 15 and 2 ADP590s for sides.keep my direct firing speackers in the rear wall mounted due to bookcase/cabinets,bi-amp the 100's and buy a amp for the rear NHT super z's!

some suggestions were to try some 20's for the rear but to much modification would have to take place for shelf mounted speackers.

here's my new delima!

my brother has a set of studio 40 v4's that he wants to give me/let use indefintily for my rears:eek:

will these be overkill for the rears?if not,I think I may be willing to do whatever modifications I would need to do to use them for my rears beings they are free!!:D

keep in mind that on the shelves they will only be about 5' or a little less behind me!!

thanks again for the help:)

Go for it!! It'd only be overkill if you had to purchase them at full price ;) If they're free then IMHO there's no real debate, no such thing as overkill since most receivers can adjust speaker levels, distances, etc. to give you as close a match as possible to the rest of your setup.

thanks!!that's what I was afraid of.only because I'm about to buy some more paradigms:rolleyes:

I guess this may benefit you guys tough?

Well, the last time CAD was par or above par with USD I don't recall any amazing deals for Canadians...

Go for it!! It'd only be overkill if you had to purchase them at full price ;) If they're free then IMHO there's no real debate, no such thing as overkill since most receivers can adjust speaker levels, distances, etc. to give you as close a match as possible to the rest of your setup.

What he said..........

Well, the last time CAD was par or above par with USD I don't recall any amazing deals for Canadians...

that really sucks:(

Go for it!! It'd only be overkill if you had to purchase them at full price ;) If they're free then IMHO there's no real debate, no such thing as overkill since most receivers can adjust speaker levels, distances, etc. to give you as close a match as possible to the rest of your setup.

What he said..........

LOL.....nough said:D

I do have Audessy!!

"mjpearce023 ... The version 1 thru 4 were the performance series. They were right below the monitor series. Starting with v5 they became part of the monitor series and got more expensive. If you want version 1 thru 4 the Monitor 3s or mini monitors would be better. V5 or 6 I would take the titans because they are the same as the minis with a bigger woofer."

Thanks. Do you know when Paradigm stopped using foam surrounds on the Titan?

I guess this may benefit you guys tough?

No, not really since the bulk of our economy is raw materials export, it makes us less competitive.

Well, the last time CAD was par or above par with USD I don't recall any amazing deals for Canadians...

I do recall shopping and travelling in the States a lot more back then.
US border towns will get a bit more of our bucks for sure.

Pictures finally.


http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/IMG_2112_compress.JPG

Nice - that is a discontinued Rosewood C5 .v1 - clear finish... which they don't offer anymore either... just Matte finish...

I have the .v1 C3 to go with my S4's all in Rosewood, they still sound awesome... very pleased with their performance...

May I suggest some area rugs in there and I certainly hope your planning on some room treatments with all the echo you are likely getting in that "bright" sounding room... all hard surfaces = ouch on the ears...

http://www.audimutesoundproofing.com/decorative-wall-panels-decorative-wall-panel-gallery.aspx

The possiblilites are endless as to what you can have on your printed Acoustic Panels...

Have fun with the Guitar Hero !!!! :D

Thanks. Do you know when Paradigm stopped using foam surrounds on the Titan?

Im not really sure. I know the 5s and 6s dont use it. Heres a review of the v6 titans.
http://stereos.about.com/od/stereospeakerreviews/fr/ParadigmTitans.htm

I have a small theater room and I like the sound but I feel like there is a gap behind me in the surround sound. I need to know if I add a center surrond speaker would that fill that spot ok or am I to close to the back wall. My surrounds are paradigm minimonitor and they are right at the ceailing. I have 1 small speaker I could use behind me if It would help but I dont want to put a whole in the wall if it wouldnt. Any Ideas. I have attached a little diagram of my room.

Anyone here ever use a C1 with Studio 60's or 10's? I'm looking for a smaller bedroom system but I am limited by the center channel height. The only options that fit for me are the SE Center and the C1 (most likely G-Pal version) but I'd rather have a center that outperforms the mains (the C1) versus underperforms (the SE Center) even if theoretically, the SE Center would be a better match because of the matching drivers.

Still in work... 7.1


L/R: Definitive BP-8's
Center: C5 WHAT AN AMAZING ADDITION!
Surround sides: SA-15R Ceilings
Surround backs: SA-15R-30 Ceilings
Sub: Velodyne SPL-1000 Series 1

I may replace the BP-8's with Paradigms or possibly B&W 805's that I currently own.

Panasonic 65" Plasma TH-65PZ850U
Pioneer Elite SC-05

Advice?

Mike

Mike,

How do you like the SA15Rs for the surrounds? I am looking at options for my surrounds and I am thinking that I am going to have to go with ceiling speakers due to room constraints. I have been looking at SA15R-30s for sides and possibly for rears someday since I am planning on a Paradigm Studio front stage. Does the 30 degree angle help with placement flexibility? That is a very beautiful center speaker you found (referencing pics from later post).

Thanks,

Matt

Does anyone know if the PBK is compatible with the ultracubes?The current models (v.2) are PBK compatible.

Pictures finally.


Nice room. Needs acoustic treatments though, lots of smooth and highly reflective surfaces in there.
Oh, and move the CC forward so you're not getting extra early reflections off the cabinet. ;)

No, not really since the bulk of our economy is raw materials export, it makes us less competitive.

Hmm I dont think 'bulk' would be a good word to use there...Maybe in 1905 but not 2010...

Still...Nice to see the dollar coming close again! GO CANADA

I have a small theater room and I like the sound but I feel like there is a gap behind me in the surround sound. I need to know if I add a center surrond speaker would that fill that spot ok or am I to close to the back wall. My surrounds are paradigm minimonitor and they are right at the ceailing. I have 1 small speaker I could use behind me if It would help but I dont want to put a whole in the wall if it wouldnt. Any Ideas. I have attached a little diagram of my room.

IMO you don't have enough room (between the seats and the back wall) for a rear speaker, assuming your diagram is accurate and to scale. The two surrounds you have should fill the entire surround field fine.

I just wanted to say that I simply LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE my Paradigms.

The detail, imaging, clarity is just simply outstanding.

Hmm I dont think 'bulk' would be a good word to use there...Maybe in 1905 but not 2010...

Still...Nice to see the dollar coming close again! GO CANADA

Yeah, you're right that was a bit of "Western Canada" thinking... softwood, oil, grains & mining. We don't have a lot of manufacturing on the west side.

Maybe a more relevant thing would be that the US buys 78% of our exports... if our stuff is more expensive with a higher dollar, what'll happen to that number? Anyways, wrong topic for this thread.. apologies.

I just wanted to say that I simply LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE my Paradigms.

The detail, imaging, clarity is just simply outstanding.

that's good to hear!!
cant wait to order my new system.I'm changing the flooring and couple of other nick nacks that need to be done before I put the new speackes down!!:D

First I want to thank those that have helped me in making a decision on setup and speacker choice.

I thought I had made my final decision on studion 100's,cc690,sub 15 and 2 ADP590s for sides.keep my direct firing speackers in the rear wall mounted due to bookcase/cabinets,bi-amp the 100's and buy a amp for the rear NHT super z's!

some suggestions were to try some 20's for the rear but to much modification would have to take place for shelf mounted speackers.

here's my new delima!

my brother has a set of studio 40 v4's that he wants to give me/let use indefintily for my rears:eek:

will these be overkill for the rears?if not,I think I may be willing to do whatever modifications I would need to do to use them for my rears beings they are free!!:D

keep in mind that on the shelves they will only be about 5' or a little less behind me!!

thanks again for the help:)

Seeing as they are free speakers, I would take them and use them no matter what. My only gripe with the 40's was their size, they sound phenomenal for the price, but when you factor in a stand (for fronts) they are the price of studio 60's, hence the reason we didn't sell very many. They may be slight overkill for rears, but I like overkill for everything. Overkill is a great way to subdue upgraditis.

IMO you don't have enough room (between the seats and the back wall) for a rear speaker, assuming your diagram is accurate and to scale. The two surrounds you have should fill the entire surround field fine.

Thats what I thought. I would turn the room around long ways but because of the door and closet its not gonna work. I have the surrounds in the back corners facing the seating postion so I guess I will try to play around with the angle of them. Thanks for confirming it for me.

I was wondering if someone can help me with my DSP-3200. I just want to know what to put the settings at on the back of the subwoofer?? It has a degree setting and a hz setting which some people tell me to put at 80hz and some tell me 150hz.....so if someone could clear this up it would be greatly appreciated! Whats the degree setting for? digital signal process?? what do i set it at? 0 degrees or 180 degrees.....? thx

I was wondering if someone can help me with my DSP-3200. I just want to know what to put the settings at on the back of the subwoofer?? It has a degree setting and a hz setting which some people tell me to put at 80hz and some tell me 150hz.....so if someone could clear this up it would be greatly appreciated! Whats the degree setting for? digital signal process?? what do i set it at? 0 degrees or 180 degrees.....? thx

The Hz setting can be either, depending on your receiver crossover settings. If you have the crossover in the receiver set to 80 Hz, then it passes everything 80 and below to the sub. I would just keep it at 80 on the sub. The degree setting is for phase, it all depends on where you have your sub in your room. Try it at 0 degrees, listen to some music with bass, and then try it at 45 degrees, 90, 135, and 180. Whatever setting creates the best sounding bass at your listening position is the setting to keep it at.

You should have a bypass setting on the Hz control as well. If you receiver handles the crossover than set the sub control to bypass

You should have a bypass setting on the Hz control as well. If you receiver handles the crossover than set the sub control to bypass

Oh ok that makes sense I will do that! thx

The Hz setting can be either, depending on your receiver crossover settings. If you have the crossover in the receiver set to 80 Hz, then it passes everything 80 and below to the sub. I would just keep it at 80 on the sub. The degree setting is for phase, it all depends on where you have your sub in your room. Try it at 0 degrees, listen to some music with bass, and then try it at 45 degrees, 90, 135, and 180. Whatever setting creates the best sounding bass at your listening position is the setting to keep it at.

Ok thanks so much I will try diff settings....but what does the degree setting really do anyways?

I found a good review of the new SE paradigms. I dont know if anybody posted it yet but it was very in depth.

http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

I found a good review of the new SE paradigms. I dont know if anybody posted it yet but it was very in depth.

http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

heard them the other night. they're fantastic little speakers for the money. Almost identical to the studio 10's, just smaller and look cheaper.

if your not concerned about looks then there a steal. and its not like they look bad by any stretch of the imagination

Seeing as they are free speakers, I would take them and use them no matter what. My only gripe with the 40's was their size, they sound phenomenal for the price, but when you factor in a stand (for fronts) they are the price of studio 60's, hence the reason we didn't sell very many. They may be slight overkill for rears, but I like overkill for everything. Overkill is a great way to subdue upgraditis.

I like overkill too:D
but this is what I like to hear!!just need to decide if I want to make the necessary modifications necessary to accomodate the 40's.he has the stands to go with them,but there's no way I can use them now!

and your right.they are big!!
how the old saying goes?.......bigger is better:D

I just have to throw out some praise for Paradigm speakers and this awesome forum.

A few months ago i desperately wanted to make the jump from my many HTIB over the years to a "real" HT setup. I love watching movies and listening to music loud (probably 70/30 movies to music) but didn't think i could afford a setup that would blow me away, but oh was i wrong! Here's the 5.1 system that i ended up with:

Center: CC-290 v6
Fronts: Monitor 9s v6 (bi-amped)
Rears: Monitor Atoms v6
Sub: DSP-3400
AVR: Pioneer Elite 21TXH
Blu-Ray: (soon to come) either the Oppo 80 or 83!
I already had a Sony 60" XBR2 - a few years old now but still produces a beautiful picture

I went with the Atoms over higher priced rears to put that $ towards the sub and it was a wise decision. The speakers sound fantastic anyways, but the deep bass of the 3400 just makes the movie experience magical. I got a great price on the pioneer receiver and to my relatively untrained ears it does a great job pushing clean warm sound through the speakers, though they don't need much help ;)

I'm a very picky, indecisive and cost conscious buyer and i wanna thank everyone in this thread because you all helped this newb put together a solid sound system.

It's crazy that i'm still reading these forums even though i have a great system in place. This stuff is so addictive and i cant help but continue to look for ways to tweak this and that to optimize my setup (or even add to it lol).

Sorry for my lack of detailed tech review but with some more time spent on these forums and in front of my speakers i'll hopefully be able to offer some sound input that will help you all as you have helped me.

Hello everyone.
I need some advice badly. I am pretty well set on paradigm studio 60's. However, I am balking at the price. I have a choice of buying used studio 60's v.3 at a price I am willing to live with.

I've never heard the v.3's. Do they sound identical to the v.5's? Is it a good idea to buy them? Or should I start considering buying new Studio 20's V.5's instead of studio 60's?

The reason I am considering the studio 20's in the first place is because I live in a small place and I have a feeling they might be enough. I know I am rambling a bit but that's been my state of mind the last two weeks.

I will be mainly using the speakers for 50% movies and 50% music. I am looking to just buy the fronts for now and build up to a 5.1 system slowly.

Any input/advice/idea's much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

I currently own Studio 60s V3s and they sound phenomenal.

The 60 V5s are slightly better but they have smaller drivers and a smaller cabinet which , if you were tight on space, would be better for you.

BUT the difference between the two is marginal.

I was really looking at the V5s and after auditioning them was pretty set on buying them when I found a pair of V3s at a price I could not refuse. As luck would have it, and this is going to sound incredible, the person I bought the V3s from got a pair of V5s to replace them due to their size.

I got the chance to A/B them on the same equipment , same environment and the difference is very very minor.

If you are getting a deal on the V3s, do not pass them up.

Hi again,

I've decided to go with Anthem d2v+a5-a2 combination. I'm going to buy an a2 from hong kong followed by an a5 then complete it with d2v when i sell my current onkyo 3007. I was thinking to buy a Pioneer Sc-Lx90 but it was an overweight for baggage capacity.

I will probably add an emotiva erc-1 cd player for media source. I would like to hear further suggestions too.

I'm also wondering a2 will be sufficient for s100s? I'm a stereo fan so it's very important for me to get full performance from Studio100s and don't want to spend more money for an extra stereo pre and power amp.

I've decided to go with Anthem d2v+a5-a2 combination. I'm going to buy an a2 from hong kong followed by an a5 then complete it with d2v when i sell my current onkyo 3007. I was thinking to buy a Pioneer Sc-Lx90 but it was an overweight for baggage capacity.

I will probably add an emotiva erc-1 cd player for media source. I would like to hear further suggestions too.

I'm also wondering a2 will be sufficient for s100s? I'm a stereo fan so it's very important for me to get full performance from Studio100s and don't want to spend more money for an extra stereo pre and power amp.

Are you from Hong Kong? Just curious since you specifically referenced the location.

The A2 will be MORE than enough for the S100's. I'm very close to selling my S20's because my dealer is offering new S100's for $2,350. He's probably getting tired of me asking prices between the PVA 7, PVA8, unreleased Anthem A/V receivers, and the Pioneer Elite SC-27 (don't know why I have Pioneer while looking at Anthem, but always had an affinity for their products).

Hello everyone.
I need some advice badly. I am pretty well set on paradigm studio 60's. However, I am balking at the price. I have a choice of buying used studio 60's v.3 at a price I am willing to live with.

I've never heard the v.3's. Do they sound identical to the v.5's? Is it a good idea to buy them? Or should I start considering buying new Studio 20's V.5's instead of studio 60's?

The reason I am considering the studio 20's in the first place is because I live in a small place and I have a feeling they might be enough. I know I am rambling a bit but that's been my state of mind the last two weeks.

I will be mainly using the speakers for 50% movies and 50% music. I am looking to just buy the fronts for now and build up to a 5.1 system slowly.

Any input/advice/idea's much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

If you are set on the Studio 60's, you may want to take a look at the new SE series. The SE3's are basically Studio 60's in a Monitor box (although it is real wood veneer). When I compared the two side by side it was tough to tell much of a difference. I just received my set this week and they sound awesome!!! I have the SE3's for the fronts, the SE center and SE1's for the rear. I was worried about the center channel being so small (small compared to other center channels in the studio line) but it just flat out kicks butt. I am truly impressed. The rest of the speakers are on the small side as well, so they should fit your needs as far as size goes (not being too big for your room).

If you are considering going with the V.3's due to price, look at the SE series. They have the new drivers of the V.5 series so you would't have to go backwards. Link to a recent review below.

http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

Happiness is buying a pair of brand new Studio 20s and a 690, sorrow is having paid for them and then having to wait until next month to get them because they are on backorder from Paradigm! For those with a 690 version 5, is it flat on the bottom or is it curved? I am going to have to make a custom enclosure for it and will need to angle the center up about 10 or 15 degrees.

Happiness is buying a pair of brand new Studio 20s and a 690, sorrow is having paid for them and then having to wait until next month to get them because they are on backorder from Paradigm! For those with a 690 version 5, is it flat on the bottom or is it curved? I am going to have to make a custom enclosure for it and will need to angle the center up about 10 or 15 degrees.


It is curved on the bottom but it comes with feet that allow it to sit flat. You shouldn't have a problem.

I just have to throw out some praise for Paradigm speakers and this awesome forum.

A few months ago i desperately wanted to make the jump from my many HTIB over the years to a "real" HT setup. I love watching movies and listening to music loud (probably 70/30 movies to music) but didn't think i could afford a setup that would blow me away, but oh was i wrong! Here's the 5.1 system that i ended up with:

Center: CC-290 v6
Fronts: Monitor 9s v6 (bi-amped)
Rears: Monitor Atoms v6
Sub: DSP-3400
AVR: Pioneer Elite 21TXH
Blu-Ray: (soon to come) either the Oppo 80 or 83!
I already had a Sony 60" XBR2 - a few years old now but still produces a beautiful picture

I went with the Atoms over higher priced rears to put that $ towards the sub and it was a wise decision. The speakers sound fantastic anyways, but the deep bass of the 3400 just makes the movie experience magical. I got a great price on the pioneer receiver and to my relatively untrained ears it does a great job pushing clean warm sound through the speakers, though they don't need much help ;)

I'm a very picky, indecisive and cost conscious buyer and i wanna thank everyone in this thread because you all helped this newb put together a solid sound system.

It's crazy that i'm still reading these forums even though i have a great system in place. This stuff is so addictive and i cant help but continue to look for ways to tweak this and that to optimize my setup (or even add to it lol).

Sorry for my lack of detailed tech review but with some more time spent on these forums and in front of my speakers i'll hopefully be able to offer some sound input that will help you all as you have helped me.

Very nice weis..Glad to see new members always coming in:D

Happiness is buying a pair of brand new Studio 20s and a 690, sorrow is having paid for them and then having to wait until next month to get them because they are on backorder from Paradigm! For those with a 690 version 5, is it flat on the bottom or is it curved? I am going to have to make a custom enclosure for it and will need to angle the center up about 10 or 15 degrees.

Yes it comes angled with 2 black feet that are molded to the shape... Which make it sit flat... Also i dont know if they designed it so that you can rotate the feet and it would angle upwards... either way I did it (less than a cm sticks out of from the bottom) but cant notice if the grill is on... It gives it a little angle upwards.

this pic shows the curved 690 backing well http://www.xfaudio.it/prodotti/Paradigm_Reference_Studio_CC_690_v5.jpg

Argh .... looks like another trip to Paradigm in Mississauga this week. The same woofer on the S2 seems to be acting up again. Though way more subtley this time. Didn't notice it until playing some two channel music today (selling my amp) and thought I heard an odd sound (thought it was something vibrating in the audio rack). Put my ear up close and noticed it was the woofer again, but doesn't seem to happen all the time and no where near as offensive as the last time.

Annoying given the price for Sigs, and the fact that I've already had the speaker repaird by PDigm! I know I push my speakers on occasion, but never past reference and typically 5 to 10db less, plus they are crossed at 100hz!

Wonder if something is wrong in the crossover that would cause the woofer to slowly tear/distort or something??

Grrr!

I just have to throw out some praise for Paradigm speakers and this awesome forum.

A few months ago i desperately wanted to make the jump from my many HTIB over the years to a "real" HT setup. I love watching movies and listening to music loud (probably 70/30 movies to music) but didn't think i could afford a setup that would blow me away, but oh was i wrong! Here's the 5.1 system that i ended up with:

Center: CC-290 v6
Fronts: Monitor 9s v6 (bi-amped)
Rears: Monitor Atoms v6
Sub: DSP-3400
AVR: Pioneer Elite 21TXH
Blu-Ray: (soon to come) either the Oppo 80 or 83!
I already had a Sony 60" XBR2 - a few years old now but still produces a beautiful picture

I went with the Atoms over higher priced rears to put that $ towards the sub and it was a wise decision. The speakers sound fantastic anyways, but the deep bass of the 3400 just makes the movie experience magical. I got a great price on the pioneer receiver and to my relatively untrained ears it does a great job pushing clean warm sound through the speakers, though they don't need much help ;)

I'm a very picky, indecisive and cost conscious buyer and i wanna thank everyone in this thread because you all helped this newb put together a solid sound system.

It's crazy that i'm still reading these forums even though i have a great system in place. This stuff is so addictive and i cant help but continue to look for ways to tweak this and that to optimize my setup (or even add to it lol).

Sorry for my lack of detailed tech review but with some more time spent on these forums and in front of my speakers i'll hopefully be able to offer some sound input that will help you all as you have helped me.

What does bi-amping your front speakers really do? just easier to power them? better sound? and what did you set your degree setting on the back of your dsp-3400??? curious thx

Oh and by the way nice choice in your setup...just awhile ago I was doing the same thing! HTIB for years and I jumped on the Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 system and got a crazy deal!!! :)

Argh .... looks like another trip to Paradigm in Mississauga this week. The same woofer on the S2 seems to be acting up again. Though way more subtley this time. Didn't notice it until playing some two channel music today (selling my amp) and thought I heard an odd sound (thought it was something vibrating in the audio rack). Put my ear up close and noticed it was the woofer again, but doesn't seem to happen all the time and no where near as offensive as the last time.

Annoying given the price for Sigs, and the fact that I've already had the speaker repaird by PDigm! I know I push my speakers on occasion, but never past reference and typically 5 to 10db less, plus they are crossed at 100hz!

Wonder if something is wrong in the crossover that would cause the woofer to slowly tear/distort or something??

Grrr!

play the internal test tones on the receiver and see if your getting a different/not normal sound coming from that driver.

Pushing in gently on the cone - in and out.... any scratching obviously is a damaged coil.

Thanks Fishak and Dave Ol.

I never heard the SE's. So that's what I will do today before making a decision. Any suggestions on the receiver for the studio 60's. What worked for you folks in this great forum.

thanks

Are you from Hong Kong? Just curious since you specifically referenced the location.

The A2 will be MORE than enough for the S100's. I'm very close to selling my S20's because my dealer is offering new S100's for $2,350. He's probably getting tired of me asking prices between the PVA 7, PVA8, unreleased Anthem A/V receivers, and the Pioneer Elite SC-27 (don't know why I have Pioneer while looking at Anthem, but always had an affinity for their products).


Nope, I'm from Turkey, but our Anthem products are very expensive because of taxes. (D2v-15000$) A friend of mine regularly visits Turkey, he works in HK.

I had an affinity for Pioneer too :D I also don't know why :D Hope Anthem will finish it :D

Thanks Fishak and Dave Ol.

I never heard the SE's. So that's what I will do today before making a decision. Any suggestions on the receiver for the studio 60's. What worked for you folks in this great forum.

thanks
I was able to hear the SE center last week with some Studio 100s. You will be able to hear the difference between the SEs and the Studios for sure. But for its size, it was pretty impressive. I was listening to version 5s so no actual knowledge of an SE with version 3s. Again, for its size, the SE put out a lot of sound. The room was maybe 20X15 and the SE center was able to keep up with no problems at the level I was listening at. If you like it LOUD, I think I would want a larger center channel.

play the internal test tones on the receiver and see if your getting a different/not normal sound coming from that driver.

Pushing in gently on the cone - in and out.... any scratching obviously is a damaged coil.

Oh, there's definitely something wrong. Don't even need to play the internal test tone. Same as last time, bass sounds distorted, almost like the cone is rattling. Except last time it was excruciatintly obvious. Pushing the cone slightly eliminates the sound.

The guy I just sold my Sunfire amp to brought his BC DAC 2 which he wanted to sell me so we were listening back and forth (between the Dac 2 and my Oppo 83) for about 20 minutes, same track. The vibration sound coming from the cone was pretty obvious (even though he didn't hear it at first which I thought was somewhat amusing!).

Very, very odd. I'd understand if I was running these guys full band in a large room, but not in my 12 x 17 family room crossed at 80 / 100 (switch on occasion).

I would have though replacing the woofer as they did last time would fix it. What else could cause that?

Nope, I'm from Turkey, but our Anthem products are very expensive because of taxes. (D2v-15000$) A friend of mine regularly visits Turkey, he works in HK.

I had an affinity for Pioneer too :D I also don't know why :D Hope Anthem will finish it :D

I would humbly suggest the Denon AVP and a D-Sonic 2500-7 as an option to the Anthems. You should be able to get both for about $1000 US more than just the D2v.2 alone. The Denon is easily in the same league sound quality and feature wise to the D2, and the amp is definitely world class and would compare more to Anthems' P5 than their A series amps.

I would have though replacing the woofer as they did last time would fix it. What else could cause that?

Maybe the replacement was from the same defective "batch" as the original.
It could also be a bad component in the crossover as you suggested, There's really nothing else in play. Take the whole speaker in this time and have them check it out.

Yeah, brought the whole speaker in last time as well. They simply took one listen to it and replaced the woofer, then it sounded fine. Though admittedly I haven't had much use of it since, at least not any critical listening until today and once I heard the sound now I can't hear anything but.

Will see what they say this time. Thankfully I'm off next week so it'll be easier to find time to head to the factory.

Only way to rule out the crossover and the driver at the same time would be to swap the woofers in both speakers.

If your dealer is decent, just have him order a new woofer and bring the speaker in when he gets it... save ya some down time. My dealer is awesome - I just tell him I have a bad driver and he does that for me. Trusts me to know without wasting his time. I appreciate that about him.

I would humbly suggest the Denon AVP and a D-Sonic 2500-7 as an option to the Anthems. You should be able to get both for about $1000 US more than just the D2v.2 alone. The Denon is easily in the same league sound quality and feature wise to the D2, and the amp is definitely world class and would compare more to Anthems' P5 than their A series amps.

Denon avp's weight is same as i am, so it's impossible to carry it on plane. Never heard of D-sonic though. How can it be that powerful in this size?

I'll go with Anthem I guess. Anthem-Paradigm seems to be a better couple.

Denon avp's weight is same as i am, so it's impossible to carry it on plane. Never heard of D-sonic though. How can it be that powerful in this size?

I'll go with Anthem I guess. Anthem-Paradigm seems to be a better couple.

Denon avp's weight is same as i am, so it's impossible to carry it on plane. Never heard of D-sonic though. How can it be that powerful in this size?

I'll go with Anthem I guess. Anthem-Paradigm seems to be a better couple.

I have the Anthem D2v, and its a great product, though a touch finicky until its all dialed in but certainly a excellent product with a nice smaller form factor that I liked over the huge AVP (not that its bad).

Part 2 - The D-Sonic or Wyred4Sound amps are both fantastic - serious power plants that are Class D. Don't let the weight fool you, they are far more efficient then the Class A/B of the Anthem A or P series. I am powering both of my Signature rigs with these 2 brands of amps, with the edge to SQ and build quality going to Wyred4Sound paired with my D2v IMO. It imparts a smooth richness of tubes, yet very dynamic and powerful and accurate in the low end. Also of note, the Wyred is a touch less bright then the Anthem amps to me.

No question to me how great the Combo is with the Wyred4Sound (http://www.wyred4sound.com/shopping.html) and Anthem D2v.
My amp is a 7 channel unit - 3 x 500w @ 8 ohms, 4 x 250w @ 8ohms.

Wyred4Sound (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1005943) Thread on AVS

Only way to rule out the crossover and the driver at the same time would be to swap the woofers in both speakers.

If your dealer is decent, just have him order a new woofer and bring the speaker in when he gets it... save ya some down time. My dealer is awesome - I just tell him I have a bad driver and he does that for me. Trusts me to know without wasting his time. I appreciate that about him.

Bought them off a dealer in Chicago, so not an option unfortunately! The 30 minute drive to PDigm isn't onerous. I'll let them do have a look even if they have to keep the speaker there a few days (last time they did it in 15 minutes while I waited).

I did try running the AVR's pink noise through them. Couldn't hear a thing. Then tried the same Norah Jones CD and track, didn't hear anything off. Tried another track, nothing.

Then went back to the first track, and there was the rattle/vibration, and heard it on every track there after.

Almost as if by leaving the speakers off for a while the sound doesn't come through until they've "loosened up a tad" if that's possible? Strange.

Nothing strange about the coil getting warm and then the problems surface... Didn't know you were that close to the Headquarters. Thats nice, I would love to get a nice tour or the place... someday

Nothing strange about the coil getting warm and then the problems surface... Didn't know you were that close to the Headquarters. Thats nice, I would love to get a nice tour or the place... someday

Bring extra baggy pants when you go... Theres only so many D2v's and S8s you can stuff down your pants when they fit :D

Actually, maybe I'll try to see if the Parts guys can show me one of the Sub 25 woofers ... naked! That may give the S8 in my pants a stir.

Okay, okay, it's more of an S6 unfortunately. :( :D

Denon avp's weight is same as i am, so it's impossible to carry it on plane. Never heard of D-sonic though. How can it be that powerful in this size?

I'll go with Anthem I guess. Anthem-Paradigm seems to be a better couple.

I hear you about the plane, but my thinking was having them shipped to you.

The D-Sonics & Wyreds use ICE modules, the identical ones used in Bel Canto's REF E1000's and M300's.

You can't go wrong with the Anthems, or the Denon, D-Sonic or Wyred. It's all top of the food chain stuff.

The D2 & AVP are probably the pest pre-pros on the market IMO, however I think the Denon is a bit of a better "value" since it can be had about $2k cheaper and has a few more features like media streaming and internet radio. But value is subjective and determined by your own wallet in the end.

My apologies for the long post. I am close to pulling the trigger on a pair of studio 60 v3's and as these are my first speakers I want to be sure that I am doing everything I can to set them up. As I see it, these are the steps I intend to go through. Please provide input on all or any of the below items:

Before I get down into the nitty gritty, my budget for this phase is about 2K. I am looking to buy fronts and a receiver for now and postpone everything to later.

1. Speakers: Fronts for now and 1 to 2 yrs down the line, build up to a 5.1 system.

2. Subwoofer: Do I need one right away? Can I use the 60's for both music and movies till I get around to buying the subwoofer.

3. Center channel: What would be a good fit and do I buy this before I buy the subwoofer?

4. Receiver/amplifier: I listened to the v5 of the studio 60 and they were driven by Rotel 1550's. I haven't listened to the V3's so if there is anybody out there who has the v3 of the 60's, what are you using to drive the speakers? I would like to keep the cost of the receiver to about $800. I can go up to $1000 if need be. Any suggestions? I am looking at Integra DTR 5.1, Onkyo 807, and Denon 805. Any others I should be looking at? Would buying an amplifier over an integrated receiver recommended?

5. Rears: Studio 10's or Studio 20's down the line. Any other suggestions? Is it important to buy V3 of the rears or can I buy the latest version?

6. Speaker wire: Recommendations?

7. Set up: What tools will I need to set up the system? a speaker wire cutter, crimp?, As I understand it, I connect the receiver to the speakers and the CD player/PS3/360/TV to the receiver and I am done. Correct? Is there a handy 'how to' anyone can point me to for setting up the speakers?

8. Am I missing anything else? Please assume that I don't know much but I am willing to read/learn/listen anything you guys can point me to.

Thanks a lot if you took the time to read through my questions and I would be very much obliged if you can take the time to answer any/all questions I have.

Wow, went to my local dealer today. Thought I had my heart set on getting a pair of Studio 100s and a CC 690. After talking to the dealer about what my expected use (about 90% HT and 10% music) and the fact that this setup would be in a family room and not a dedicated HT room, he talked me down to the Studio 60s and a CC 590. Basically my understanding from talking to him is that the only thing I'd really be missing was the extra bass that the 100s have. Since I'll be using a good SVS sub I don't see this being an issue. Anyone see any problems with the logic here? I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on these, but wanted to get some advice from the experts here first.

As a side bar, I have to say that it was really nice to have a dealer that listened to what I wanted and actually recommended something less expensive than what I thought I wanted based on my needs.

I hear you about the plane, but my thinking was having them shipped to you.

The D-Sonics & Wyreds use ICE modules, the identical ones used in Bel Canto's REF E1000's and M300's.

You can't go wrong with the Anthems, or the Denon, D-Sonic or Wyred. It's all top of the food chain stuff.

The D2 & AVP are probably the pest pre-pros on the market IMO, however I think the Denon is a bit of a better "value" since it can be had about $2k cheaper and has a few more features like media streaming and internet radio. But value is subjective and determined by your own wallet in the end.

Never heard of d-sonics&Wyreds but they look... POWERFUL... Way off the suitable power range for my speakers, it won't be a problem right? But, I'm not sure if they can be found in Hong kong, i didnt see a dealer of them in HK. Which ones better? A2-A5 or D-sonics or Wyreds (just performance)

Shipping is not option for me because it won't pass through customs unless I pay its taxes which costs same as D2v or Sc-lx90.(seriously). Just d2v will cost me like 15.000$.

Since the performance is more important than value/performance for me, I will go with D2v, I'm not interested in internet radio or media streaming. Gonna use it with a media source which can play 24-96 and 24-192 flacs. Don't have an idea yet. My imac sends signals as 16-48 at most. A little help would be great about it. I'm not good at digital media playback.

my dealer just texted me that April 1st paradigm will be raising the price on studio 100's by $150 and the ADP590's by $50!

anyone else here about this?

Here in Canada, I heard today that Paradigm is raising their prices by 8% and the Government is also adding an additional recycling fee on that day. Can anyone confirm?

Never heard of d-sonics&Wyreds but they look... POWERFUL... Way off the suitable power range for my speakers, it won't be a problem right? But, I'm not sure if they can be found in Hong kong, i didnt see a dealer of them in HK. Which ones better? A2-A5 or D-sonics or Wyreds (just performance)


Not a problem, you're actually better off having too much power than too little.

Both D-Sonic & Wyred are internet-direct companies so you'd have to pay taxes & shipping etc. But they'd still be a great value with that in question.

I haven't heard the A series so I can't comment from experience.

Wow, went to my local dealer today. Thought I had my heart set on getting a pair of Studio 100s and a CC 690. After talking to the dealer about what my expected use (about 90% HT and 10% music) and the fact that this setup would be in a family room and not a dedicated HT room, he talked me down to the Studio 60s and a CC 590. Basically my understanding from talking to him is that the only thing I'd really be missing was the extra bass that the 100s have. Since I'll be using a good SVS sub I don't see this being an issue. Anyone see any problems with the logic here? I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on these, but wanted to get some advice from the experts here first.

As a side bar, I have to say that it was really nice to have a dealer that listened to what I wanted and actually recommended something less expensive than what I thought I wanted based on my needs.

That sounds reasonable, assuming he took your room size into account.

Sounds quite logical and very honest. Great dealer you have there, seems to me.

Wow, went to my local dealer today. Thought I had my heart set on getting a pair of Studio 100s and a CC 690. After talking to the dealer about what my expected use (about 90% HT and 10% music) and the fact that this setup would be in a family room and not a dedicated HT room, he talked me down to the Studio 60s and a CC 590. Basically my understanding from talking to him is that the only thing I'd really be missing was the extra bass that the 100s have. Since I'll be using a good SVS sub I don't see this being an issue. Anyone see any problems with the logic here? I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on these, but wanted to get some advice from the experts here first.

As a side bar, I have to say that it was really nice to have a dealer that listened to what I wanted and actually recommended something less expensive than what I thought I wanted based on my needs.

Agree with your dealer, oddly enough. Unless your family room is "Warp" sized, the S60's will be more than enough as with your SVS sub you'll be crossing them at 80hz anyhow. Same with the 590 vs 690.

Hi guys,
Been reading thru this thread a bit - some really nice setups!

Need some help with speaker choice. Im in AUS so stuff is very expensive here compared to the USA.

Out of comparing a million speakers i liked the sound of the paradigm monitor 9's (thought the 7's were a bit boomy but easily fixed with xover?) and sonus fabers "toys". Been reading though some reviews that the monitor series can be a bit bright especially if you've got a bright receiver which i currently do i guess being a Yamaha 2065. Im not tied to the avr and can sell it and get something else. Am thinking Marantz 6004 or Onkyo 807 or rotel 1560 cambridge 650r or even finding the older yamaha 1900/3900 etc

I have a room that is 4.8 long by 4.4 wide but probably only around 3mtrs wide usable however i can position the rears 1.8 from the right and 1.6 from the left of my front row seating position. I sit 2.5 from the front speakers but also have another row of elevated seating behind me. The previous home owner put in some polk ceiling 8" speakers for the rear which i have been using however after some good research i have found that even some cheap rears at the side sound waaaay better than the rear way up the back in the ceiling! I've now connected the ceilings as surround backs. I have a very musical subwoofer 12" custom made wood horned unit that utilises a peerless driver that sits in the front left hand corner. The windows are curtained, room is carpeted and a thick rug in the front sound stage. Fake wood flooring on the right hand side 1mtre wide front door entrance through to open archway at very front right.

Now my question is one of speakers initially just fronts and centre. Will upgrade the rear surrounds sooner or later! But want to get the front stage sorted. I've read a few people state that they prefer say even the studio 20's over the monitor 9's? My ht/music ratio would be 40/60. I like all sorts of music ranging from tori amos (used her scarlet walk cd for auditioning) to dire straits and everything in between! Im not into heavy rock/metal although the odd track is great for some fun! I like my music clear and precise.

Any help is appreciated as im feeling quite depressed atm from having spent over 3k on some crap speakers (yamaha 700 series) and the 2065 and hope to return them or sell them on....rrp on my misfortuned current setup is over 6k! hence why i jumped on it! lesson learnt....

I've even got to thinking about just getting some cheap 5.1 pack like psb's Alpha Performance System for around $1500 just for movies and then getting some nice 2 channel only speakers/amp hooked up in separate room or separately in the HT room purely for music. But would prefer to have a nice musical front in my HT for listening enjoyment.

So after all that... i guess im asking what do you think of the monitor 9's and say cc290 centre for HT and nice music (given that my current speakers are thin, tinny no bass and way too much top end brightness) or should i go have a look and listen to the studio 20's. I have no idea how expensive the studio range is over here.... but internet thoughts are that the 20's are around the 9's price!

Regards,

Matt

Hi guys,
Been reading thru this thread a bit - some really nice setups!

Need some help with speaker choice. Im in AUS so stuff is very expensive here compared to the USA.

Out of comparing a million speakers i liked the sound of the paradigm monitor 9's (thought the 7's were a bit boomy but easily fixed with xover?) and sonus fabers "toys". Been reading though some reviews that the monitor series can be a bit bright especially if you've got a bright receiver which i currently do i guess being a Yamaha 2065. Im not tied to the avr and can sell it and get something else. Am thinking Marantz 6004 or Onkyo 807 or rotel 1560 cambridge 650r or even finding the older yamaha 1900/3900 etc

I have a room that is 4.8 long by 4.4 wide but probably only around 3mtrs wide usable however i can position the rears 1.8 from the right and 1.6 from the left of my front row seating position. I sit 2.5 from the front speakers but also have another row of elevated seating behind me. The previous home owner put in some polk ceiling 8" speakers for the rear which i have been using however after some good research i have found that even some cheap rears at the side sound waaaay better than the rear way up the back in the ceiling! I've now connected the ceilings as surround backs. I have a very musical subwoofer 12" custom made wood horned unit that utilises a peerless driver that sits in the front left hand corner. The windows are curtained, room is carpeted and a thick rug in the front sound stage. Fake wood flooring on the right hand side 1mtre wide front door entrance through to open archway at very front right.

Now my question is one of speakers initially just fronts and centre. Will upgrade the rear surrounds sooner or later! But want to get the front stage sorted. I've read a few people state that they prefer say even the studio 20's over the monitor 9's? My ht/music ratio would be 40/60. I like all sorts of music ranging from tori amos (used her scarlet walk cd for auditioning) to dire straits and everything in between! Im not into heavy rock/metal although the odd track is great for some fun! I like my music clear and precise.

Any help is appreciated as im feeling quite depressed atm from having spent over 3k on some crap speakers (yamaha 700 series) and the 2065 and hope to return them or sell them on....rrp on my misfortuned current setup is over 6k! hence why i jumped on it! lesson learnt....

I've even got to thinking about just getting some cheap 5.1 pack like psb's Alpha Performance System for around $1500 just for movies and then getting some nice 2 channel only speakers/amp hooked up in separate room or separately in the HT room purely for music. But would prefer to have a nice musical front in my HT for listening enjoyment.

So after all that... i guess im asking what do you think of the monitor 9's and say cc290 centre for HT and nice music (given that my current speakers are thin, tinny no bass and way too much top end brightness) or should i go have a look and listen to the studio 20's. I have no idea how expensive the studio range is over here.... but internet thoughts are that the 20's are around the 9's price!

Regards,

Matt

You might want to take a look at the new SE series. They are a cross between the Monitor and Studio series. They have the drivers from the Studio series in a Monitor enclosure. The SE3 is similar to the Studio 60's, and the SE1 is similar to the Studio 10's. I recently purchased SE3's for the front, SE1's for the rear and the SE center speaker. They sound awesome. This setup may be exactly what you are looking for. A link to a recent review below.

http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

Thanks Dave im having a read now. i do remember the dealer mentioning them now but were quite a way off over here.... interesting tho, what have you mated them to?

For those with a CC-690, it's ported, yes? How many ports and where are they located? Round approximations work here. I need to vent the back of its new enclosure. Thanks for your time.

Not a problem, you're actually better off having too much power than too little.

Both D-Sonic & Wyred are internet-direct companies so you'd have to pay taxes & shipping etc. But they'd still be a great value with that in question.

I haven't heard the A series so I can't comment from experience.

Taxes will cause many problems in Turkey, not the best option for me. I don't want to pay doubled price for the product. I prefer to spend my money to the product not to taxes. Anthem A series seems the best and only option for me. Thanks for the suggestions anyway.

I will upload some pics and write my thoughts once I complete the trio :) d2v,a5,a2

Taxes will cause many problems in Turkey, not the best option for me. I don't want to pay doubled price for the product. I prefer to spend my money to the product not to taxes. Anthem A series seems the best and only option for me. Thanks for the suggestions anyway.

I will upload some pics and write my thoughts once I complete the trio :) d2v,a5,a2

I haven't heard the A series but have heard the MCA's and they sound great, I think the A series are the same in nicer cases. You'll be very happy, make sure you get the ARC if it's optional. That will make more of a positive difference than amp selection by a mile.

Wow, went to my local dealer today. Thought I had my heart set on getting a pair of Studio 100s and a CC 690. After talking to the dealer about what my expected use (about 90% HT and 10% music) and the fact that this setup would be in a family room and not a dedicated HT room, he talked me down to the Studio 60s and a CC 590. Basically my understanding from talking to him is that the only thing I'd really be missing was the extra bass that the 100s have. Since I'll be using a good SVS sub I don't see this being an issue. Anyone see any problems with the logic here? I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on these, but wanted to get some advice from the experts here first.

As a side bar, I have to say that it was really nice to have a dealer that listened to what I wanted and actually recommended something less expensive than what I thought I wanted based on my needs.

I would totally agree with his recommendations. If you listened to more music I would have said to stay with the 100s.

My dealer tried to talk me out of the 100s as well. I bought 'em anyway. :D

I haven't heard the A series but have heard the MCA's and they sound great, I think the A series are the same in nicer cases. You'll be very happy, make sure you get the ARC if it's optional. That will make more of a positive difference than amp selection by a mile.

ARC is not optional..... Standard with both the D2v and 50v - and your right it will make a far bigger difference then the amp section..

I personally couldn't conceive trying to carry a D2v box onto a plane, its not small by any means...

ARC is not optional..... Standard with both the D2v and 50v - and your right it will make a far bigger difference then the amp section..

I personally couldn't conceive trying to carry a D2v box onto a plane, its not small by any means...

I guess it will totally worth it :D, I will not carry it anyway, it's not heavier than my onkyo 3007, it came from Hong Kong too. D2v will not be a problem. I'm really excited about Anthem. I will get my first product, A2, in few weeks and complete the rest of the components by the end of summer.

Thanks Dave im having a read now. i do remember the dealer mentioning them now but were quite a way off over here.... interesting tho, what have you mated them to?

the SE series is awesome. Great way to save money if your ok with the cheaper cabinet. The SE1's are sound almost identical to the Studio 10's just with less extension down low. And if prices are higher over there they would be a great buy.

The Studio 20's are sound amazing and i dont think there bright at all, although my ears are not sensitive to them. I would go with a Pioneer or Marantz with your Paradigms because there both on the warm side

I would totally agree with his recommendations. If you listened to more music I would have said to stay with the 100s.

My dealer tried to talk me out of the 100s as well. I bought 'em anyway. :D

Glad to see so many agree with him. My only concern is that I will regret not getting the 100s. But if what he is saying is right, I really won't miss anything with the 60s. I'm 99% convinced. :)

While I agree with everyone that he is a great dealer...
... He might be making just as much money on the 60s as on the 100s ...so to him it would not matter if he sells either... OR... Just doesn't have the 100s in stock and wants to sell the stock at hand...

Just two other options that no one else mentioned...

I think the best thing for you to do is spend about an hour testing both the movie and music aspect... on both speakers... Not just letting others decide whats best for you. I think people rely on others too much to decide whats best for them... when in reality everyone is different and will have their own opinions.

Assuming hes got both on display... grab your favorite movie/music demo and get to work.

Finished the basement and looking to set-up a new HT. Haven't bought any equipment in a while. My current system in our family room is

Fronts - Studio 40's v-2
Center - Studio CC v2
Rear - Studio ADP v2
Sub- PW-2500

All of this is driven by a Denon 5700. Think I purchased all of this equipment back in 1999 so I am not familiar with the new models.

For my new basement HT, 16 X 14, I am looking to stay with Paradigms as I still love the above system. Would expect my mix to be about 70% movies and 30% music. Since I have been away so long, what speaker models would you recommend? Will most likely be using an Integra 70.1 or Pioneer Elite SC-27 to drive. Performance is the key. Price is secondary.

Fully understand I need to "test drive" models myself. Just looking for a place to start.

Thanks!

Finished the basement and looking to set-up a new HT. Haven't bought any equipment in a while. My current system in our family room is

Fronts - Studio 40's v-2
Center - Studio CC v2
Rear - Studio ADP v2
Sub- PW-2500

All of this is driven by a Denon 5700. Think I purchased all of this equipment back in 1999 so I am not familiar with the new models.

For my new basement HT, 16 X 14, I am looking to stay with Paradigms as I still love the above system. Would expect my mix to be about 70% movies and 30% music. Since I have been away so long, what speaker models would you recommend? Will most likely be using an Integra 70.1 or Pioneer Elite SC-27 to drive. Performance is the key. Price is secondary.

Fully understand I need to "test drive" models myself. Just looking for a place to start.

Thanks!For a room of that size I personally don't see a need to get floorstanding speakers, and would suggest looking at a Signature S1/C1/ADP1 system with a good subwoofer (Sub12, SVS PB12-Plus) or two. The Signature 5.0 system would retail for ~$5500, so I don't know if that is out of your price range. A great review of that system can be found here:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/home-theater-speakers/304-a-secrets-speaker-review.html?showall=1

Note, though, that this review is for the v.2 models. Current v.3 models are 3dB more sensitive.

If you can afford them, the Beryllium tweeters in the Signature line really are worth the premium. Hopefully there is a dealer that has at least something from the Signature line on display that you can listen to.

Here is my set up,

F: Studio 100V4
C: C3 V2
Sur: Adp 370v4
Sub: DIY SDX 15 with EP 2500
Pre amp: Integra DTC 9.8
Amp: Anthem MCA 20 on 100s and PVA 7 on others

I just picked up a pair of Studio 10sv5 for the living room( was as big as the wife would go) and these are a great little speaker. I cant get over how good they perform. My room is about 15ftx18ft and these little things fill the room with ease. The bass is just right for what we want.I am running them off zone two of the Integra and through the pva. Cant say enough good about these speakers, Paradigm still makes a great speaker at a fair price!!

Wow, went to my local dealer today. Thought I had my heart set on getting a pair of Studio 100s and a CC 690. After talking to the dealer about what my expected use (about 90% HT and 10% music) and the fact that this setup would be in a family room and not a dedicated HT room, he talked me down to the Studio 60s and a CC 590. Basically my understanding from talking to him is that the only thing I'd really be missing was the extra bass that the 100s have. Since I'll be using a good SVS sub I don't see this being an issue. Anyone see any problems with the logic here? I think I'm ready to pull the trigger on these, but wanted to get some advice from the experts here first.

As a side bar, I have to say that it was really nice to have a dealer that listened to what I wanted and actually recommended something less expensive than what I thought I wanted based on my needs.


I was just the opposite of you!I'm doing a full upgrade,all 8 speackers and had decided on what I had called on earlier post my 60's setup.
studio 60's cc590,4 adp 590's and a sub 12.

my room is 21x19,and is not a dedicated room!I dont have the advantage of listening to both the 60's and 100's at the same time!

after much discussion about my room size,furniture,surroundings,distances and I would be listening to HT/music 50/50.....I changed my mind and decided to go with 100's,cc690,sub 15 and 2 adp 590's and keep my rear firing speackers.

"wnl" gave me a good idea instead of buying new rears to just bi-amp the 100's for now to get the most out of them!!so ultimately that's what I decided to do and to also buy a small amp to fire the rears so I dont loose my 7.1

wnl has a total 60's setup and says it performs out of this world and is totaly satisfied with it!!I'm sure both you and I would be satisfied with the 60's system.but if either one of us buy the 60's would we be longing for the 100's all the time?not sure!!

I'm also wondering which ones perform/sound the best bi-amped?I think the 100's would have and edge there and maybe I'm wrong but not just bass!!

I know I rambling on but this was all because after deciding on the 100's,I read a post like this and it gives me second thoughts.but ultimately I think I'm going to stick with the 100's so I wont ever have to wonder if I should've,could've,would've bought the 100's:D

hopefully this post will help you with thought on your decision!!


ultimitely I think either system you and I get are going to be phenomenal!!!!

"GOOD LUCK" with your decision!!keep us posted:)

While I agree with everyone that he is a great dealer...
... He might be making just as much money on the 60s as on the 100s ...so to him it would not matter if he sells either... OR... Just doesn't have the 100s in stock and wants to sell the stock at hand...

Just two other options that no one else mentioned...

I think the best thing for you to do is spend about an hour testing both the movie and music aspect... on both speakers... Not just letting others decide whats best for you. I think people rely on others too much to decide whats best for them... when in reality everyone is different and will have their own opinions.

Assuming hes got both on display... grab your favorite movie/music demo and get to work.

Very good point. I guess what I meant was that it wasn't as if I wasn't willing to spend the money (so it wasn't like he was getting a sale vs not getting a sale). I also hear what you're saying about listening but also like to hear what the people here (who have much more experience than me) have to say :)

Thanks Dave im having a read now. i do remember the dealer mentioning them now but were quite a way off over here.... interesting tho, what have you mated them to?

I have an HK 525 receiver and an SVS PC Ultra sub.

If i was to go with the paradigms your saying to go with a warmer amp because they are bright or you mean the other way around because the paradigms are warm go with a brighter amp!?:p

the SE series is awesome. Great way to save money if your ok with the cheaper cabinet. The SE1's are sound almost identical to the Studio 10's just with less extension down low. And if prices are higher over there they would be a great buy.

The Studio 20's are sound amazing and i dont think there bright at all, although my ears are not sensitive to them. I would go with a Pioneer or Marantz with your Paradigms because there both on the warm side

Ok here we go.
1 60s are great. I have 20 v3s that im picking up friday and cant wait. I think the 20s have enough bass without a sub so that is last on my list.
2 I would say save the sub till the VERY end. The 60s should have good bass to get you started.
3 Yes before the subwoffer. The center is very important for movies. There was a cc570 v3 on audiogon for 450 but there is a sale pending now. Also there is one on ebay thats at 305 with 3 days left.
4 I think you would be good with anyone of those recievers as long as they have preamp outputs. You may want to get an amp later on for the 60s. It depends on your room size and how loud you listen. I have denon now but you have to go all the way to the 3310 for preamp out puts and that would be over your budget of 800. You might be able to find one online for 1000 but I dont know. Acessories for less has the onkyo 807 refurb for 699 so you might want to check that out.
5 I would keep the fronts and center in the same version but the surrounds dont matter. I have v3 monitors up front and v6 minimonitors behind me and that works. You may want to look at some adp470s v3. Hard to find but they're around. If not, I think you would be happy with some v5 studio 10s or 20s. Maybe even the se1. Im going to keep my minimonitors with my studio setup.
6 Monoprice 12 ga. I know there website is not taking orders right now but I would wait till they are back up and running. Theres no reason to buy monster cable for 3 times more. You wont hear a difference.
7 I would google home theater setups or search the forum. There is some good info out there. You might need a wire stripper from radio shack (15$).

These are all my opions and other people may not agree but I hope it helped you out some. Your starting off with some good front speakers so I think you will enjoy it. Its addictive though.

My apologies for the long post. I am close to pulling the trigger on a pair of studio 60 v3's and as these are my first speakers I want to be sure that I am doing everything I can to set them up. As I see it, these are the steps I intend to go through. Please provide input on all or any of the below items:

Before I get down into the nitty gritty, my budget for this phase is about 2K. I am looking to buy fronts and a receiver for now and postpone everything to later.

1. Speakers: Fronts for now and 1 to 2 yrs down the line, build up to a 5.1 system.

2. Subwoofer: Do I need one right away? Can I use the 60's for both music and movies till I get around to buying the subwoofer.

3. Center channel: What would be a good fit and do I buy this before I buy the subwoofer?

4. Receiver/amplifier: I listened to the v5 of the studio 60 and they were driven by Rotel 1550's. I haven't listened to the V3's so if there is anybody out there who has the v3 of the 60's, what are you using to drive the speakers? I would like to keep the cost of the receiver to about $800. I can go up to $1000 if need be. Any suggestions? I am looking at Integra DTR 5.1, Onkyo 807, and Denon 805. Any others I should be looking at? Would buying an amplifier over an integrated receiver recommended?

5. Rears: Studio 10's or Studio 20's down the line. Any other suggestions? Is it important to buy V3 of the rears or can I buy the latest version?

6. Speaker wire: Recommendations?

7. Set up: What tools will I need to set up the system? a speaker wire cutter, crimp?, As I understand it, I connect the receiver to the speakers and the CD player/PS3/360/TV to the receiver and I am done. Correct? Is there a handy 'how to' anyone can point me to for setting up the speakers?

8. Am I missing anything else? Please assume that I don't know much but I am willing to read/learn/listen anything you guys can point me to.

Thanks a lot if you took the time to read through my questions and I would be very much obliged if you can take the time to answer any/all questions I have.

If i was to go with the paradigms your saying to go with a warmer amp because they are bright or you mean the other way around because the paradigms are warm go with a brighter amp!?:p

I dont believe Paradigms are bright, but i am not sensitive. I own some Klipsch speakers as well and could listen to them all day without a hint of fatigue.

Just from my limited experience, warm receivers mate really well with Paradigms, although it is really hard to go wrong. Almost anything will make these puppies sing sweet sounds :D

"wnl" gave me a good idea instead of buying new rears to just bi-amp the 100's for now to get the most out of them!!so ultimately that's what I decided to do and to also buy a small amp to fire the rears so I dont loose my 7.1

I'm also wondering which ones perform/sound the best bi-amped?I think the 100's would have and edge there and maybe I'm wrong but not just bass!!


I wish some of these audio myths would be set aside, but unfortunately they still prevail.
"Passive" bi-amping which is what you're referring to, is largely inconsequential. Well, except that it sells more speaker wire LOL!
Anyone that does so and thinks they hear a big difference needs to go back and try it normal and see if they can still hear that enormous difference. If they're truly objective, most will have a tough time hearing anything.
You will likely get a better benefit by adding an external amp for your mains and letting the receiver handle the surrounds and center. That too will depend on room and receiver amp section so there's no one size fits all answer. "Active" bi-amping, where the cross-over is before the amps, has far more value, and in a way using a sub accomplishes that to a degree.

Try before you buy, plain and simple.

The key to the advice he got on the 60's IMO was his usage, which is predominantly HT and not much music, with a good sub doing the heavy lifting.

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:

Yeah...I'm so happy :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1676/img0669rk.jpg

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:

Yeah...I'm so happy :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1676/img0669rk.jpg


Nothing like getting new toys to put that sh*t eating grin on your face! :D :D :D


Brian

what more needs to be said?
waiting on some Studio 10's for side surrounds...:)

I wish some of these audio myths would be set aside, but unfortunately they still prevail.
"Passive" bi-amping which is what you're referring to, is largely inconsequential. Well, except that it sells more speaker wire LOL!
Anyone that does so and thinks they hear a big difference needs to go back and try it normal and see if they can still hear that enormous difference. If they're truly objective, most will have a tough time hearing anything.
You will likely get a better benefit by adding an external amp for your mains and letting the receiver handle the surrounds and center. That too will depend on room and receiver amp section so there's no one size fits all answer. "Active" bi-amping, where the cross-over is before the amps, has far more value, and in a way using a sub accomplishes that to a degree.

Try before you buy, plain and simple.

The key to the advice he got on the 60's IMO was his usage, which is predominantly HT and not much music, with a good sub doing the heavy lifting.

I have my front speakers (monitor 9s v6) bi-amped to my pioneer 21txh receiver (which has a special audio selection for bi-amping). It is 7.1 capable but i only have a 5.1 system so i used the remaining two for bi-amping. Is this "passive bi-amping?" If so, and you suggest it's "inconsequential," why would they offer it? I cant imagine pioneer cares about how much speaker cable you use lol.

I have a dsp-3400 sub so the front speakers are set to small. I feel like the bi-amping pushes a larger and cleaner sound out of the speakers. I fully acknowledge this could be a placebo affect but i dont think so :)

what more needs to be said?
waiting on some Studio 10's for side surrounds...:)

Look great! What size TV is that? I'm trying to get a good idea of what the 60s will look like beside by Pioneer 60"

Look great! What size TV is that? I'm trying to get a good idea of what the 60s will look like beside by Pioneer 60"

Thanks!
It is a 58" screen.

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:




Where do you run that NSX...?
I had tons of fun in that car... amazing power - and corners like no other... :)

Congrats on the Studio's... did you get a chance to audition the Sigs..? Def worth the extra mile....

I have my front speakers (monitor 9s v6) bi-amped to my pioneer 21txh receiver (which has a special audio selection for bi-amping). It is 7.1 capable but i only have a 5.1 system so i used the remaining two for bi-amping. Is this "passive bi-amping?" If so, and you suggest it's "inconsequential," why would they offer it? I cant imagine pioneer cares about how much speaker cable you use lol.

I have a dsp-3400 sub so the front speakers are set to small. I feel like the bi-amping pushes a larger and cleaner sound out of the speakers. I fully acknowledge this could be a placebo affect but i dont think so :)

Yes that is passive bi-amping, unless it has a crossover before the amps which I highly doubt.
They offer it because consumers think there's a value to it. It won't hurt, and you might get a small benefit in headroom, but in most cases it's pretty slight if any.
If you've got some time try it with an open mind, you'll see I'm not yanking your chain.

Ok here we go.
1 60s are great. I have 20 v3s that im picking up friday and cant wait. I think the 20s have enough bass without a sub so that is last on my list.
2 I would say save the sub till the VERY end. The 60s should have good bass to get you started.
3 Yes before the subwoffer. The center is very important for movies. There was a cc570 v3 on audiogon for 450 but there is a sale pending now. Also there is one on ebay thats at 305 with 3 days left.
4 I think you would be good with anyone of those recievers as long as they have preamp outputs. You may want to get an amp later on for the 60s. It depends on your room size and how loud you listen. I have denon now but you have to go all the way to the 3310 for preamp out puts and that would be over your budget of 800. You might be able to find one online for 1000 but I dont know. Acessories for less has the onkyo 807 refurb for 699 so you might want to check that out.
5 I would keep the fronts and center in the same version but the surrounds dont matter. I have v3 monitors up front and v6 minimonitors behind me and that works. You may want to look at some adp470s v3. Hard to find but they're around. If not, I think you would be happy with some v5 studio 10s or 20s. Maybe even the se1. Im going to keep my minimonitors with my studio setup.
6 Monoprice 12 ga. I know there website is not taking orders right now but I would wait till they are back up and running. Theres no reason to buy monster cable for 3 times more. You wont hear a difference.
7 I would google home theater setups or search the forum. There is some good info out there. You might need a wire stripper from radio shack (15$).

These are all my opions and other people may not agree but I hope it helped you out some. Your starting off with some good front speakers so I think you will enjoy it. Its addictive though.

Thanks a lot mj! That helped a lot. Especially the bit about getting the V.3 center channel...
I am down to two receivers now: Pioneer Elite SC-25 or Yamaha RXV 3900.
Any thoughts?

what more needs to be said?
waiting on some Studio 10's for side surrounds...:)

Is that the 590 center channel on the stand?

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:

Yeah...I'm so happy :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1676/img0669rk.jpg

"WOW".....that has to be a good feeling!!!congrats on the new system!!

watching you get yours just makes me more anxious to order mine:D

you have to let us know what you think once you have them hooked up and tweaked!!

what more needs to be said?
waiting on some Studio 10's for side surrounds...:)

awesome setup.love that piano black.matches your flat screen well!!

I wish some of these audio myths would be set aside, but unfortunately they still prevail.
"Passive" bi-amping which is what you're referring to, is largely inconsequential. Well, except that it sells more speaker wire LOL!
Anyone that does so and thinks they hear a big difference needs to go back and try it normal and see if they can still hear that enormous difference. If they're truly objective, most will have a tough time hearing anything.
You will likely get a better benefit by adding an external amp for your mains and letting the receiver handle the surrounds and center. That too will depend on room and receiver amp section so there's no one size fits all answer. "Active" bi-amping, where the cross-over is before the amps, has far more value, and in a way using a sub accomplishes that to a degree.

Try before you buy, plain and simple.

The key to the advice he got on the 60's IMO was his usage, which is predominantly HT and not much music, with a good sub doing the heavy lifting.

Yes that is passive bi-amping, unless it has a crossover before the amps which I highly doubt.
They offer it because consumers think there's a value to it. It won't hurt, and you might get a small benefit in headroom, but in most cases it's pretty slight if any.
If you've got some time try it with an open mind, you'll see I'm not yanking your chain.

OK......I hear what your saying.I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best when it comes to electronics knowledge.I want to do whats going to give me the best performance.

I called my dealer to check on an Anthem amp and a multi channel to pre out the 100's and I figured while I'm at it the cc690 as well.I havent read where too many amp the front channel but if I'm going to I might as well do all 3.suggestions on the amping the center?

also what exactly is having a crossover before the amp.is this something else that has to be purchased with the amp?
I'm hear to learn!!:D

Thanks a lot mj! That helped a lot. Especially the bit about getting the V.3 center channel...
I am down to two receivers now: Pioneer Elite SC-25 or Yamaha RXV 3900.
Any thoughts?

I would go with the Pioneer. The reviews for yamahas have not been great lately. I think they are underpowered while the pioneer has the ice amps and those are great amps.
Here's a good reciew of the sc-07. Im not sure what the difference is between it and the 25 but both have 140 x 7 with the ice amps.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/3042/pioneer-elite-sc-07-av-receiver.html
You may listen to the yamaha and love it, but I personally have never liked them. There was review of one done by sound and vision and it was 105 watts x7 and it couldnt even hit that with 1 channel driven. It only got 77 watts with 1 channel driven and 41 watts with 6 channels driven. Thats just sad to me. Now that was not the model you listed so maybe it was just that one but I stay away from yamaha after seeing that.

that is the older yamahas (good) before they changed to the new 65 series, i have a 2065 and its not actually that bad sound wise...amp section thats another story, it feels like you gotta windd the thing up a lot higher than others.... but again that can all be just a myth as they seem to have changed their volume weightin. I have currently also got a denon 2310 in and i can't pick any much difference between the 2 pure music compare only at this stage...

ive been learning that jacking a loaded signal into a avr and sticking it on the test bench isn't really a good way to compare models.... it helps but your ears are best. The 3900 from mem is 70watts all 5 driven but remember that watching a movie you aren't driving all channels all at the smame time with full freq test signals!!


I would go with the Pioneer. The reviews for yamahas have not been great lately. I think they are underpowered while the pioneer has the ice amps and those are great amps.
Here's a good reciew of the sc-07. Im not sure what the difference is between it and the 25 but both have 140 x 7 with the ice amps.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/receivers/3042/pioneer-elite-sc-07-av-receiver.html
You may listen to the yamaha and love it, but I personally have never liked them. There was review of one done by sound and vision and it was 105 watts x7 and it couldnt even hit that with 1 channel driven. It only got 77 watts with 1 channel driven and 41 watts with 6 channels driven. Thats just sad to me. Now that was not the model you listed so maybe it was just that one but I stay away from yamaha after seeing that.

I agree and that why I didnt say that all yamahas were terrible. I know they make some good receivers but the main complaint I have heard is that their amps are not very powerful and the test bench that I have seen on them is not that great. I know in the real world that you probably wont have all channels maxed out at one but I like to know the receiver has some umph to it. If I am paying for alot of money for a reciever that is 100 watts per channel I want it to hit at least 85 x 5. I agree that everybody needs to listen to different receivers and pick whats best for them. But, if asked my opinion then I will be happy to give it. Between the two that he mentioned I would take the pioneer and Im sure some would take the yamaha. Yamaha's sound has never been to my liking but alot of people buy them. I always listen to reciever before I buy them if possible but I also like to see reviews from experts and owners. The Pioneers test bench was 138 watts with 5 channels driven so I would say that is has a powerful amp. I wouldnt let that make my decision but its good to know that the receiver has some umph to it.
I am looking at the denon 2310. It would be for sure if it had preamp outputs but since it dosnt I have been looking at Pioneer elite also. What are you running with your denon? Can it get pretty loud without distorion? Any info would be great. I still would like to stay in the denon family I just dont want to regret it in 6 months and the 3310 is over the top of my budget big time!!


that is the older yamahas (good) before they changed to the new 65 series, i have a 2065 and its not actually that bad sound wise...amp section thats another story, it feels like you gotta windd the thing up a lot higher than others.... but again that can all be just a myth as they seem to have changed their volume weightin. I have currently also got a denon 2310 in and i can't pick any much difference between the 2 pure music compare only at this stage...

ive been learning that jacking a loaded signal into a avr and sticking it on the test bench isn't really a good way to compare models.... it helps but your ears are best. The 3900 from mem is 70watts all 5 driven but remember that watching a movie you aren't driving all channels all at the smame time with full freq test signals!!

OK......I hear what your saying.I'll be the first to admit I'm not the best when it comes to electronics knowledge.I want to do whats going to give me the best performance.

I called my dealer to check on an Anthem amp and a multi channel to pre out the 100's and I figured while I'm at it the cc690 as well.I havent read where too many amp the front channel but if I'm going to I might as well do all 3.suggestions on the amping the center?

also what exactly is having a crossover before the amp.is this something else that has to be purchased with the amp?
I'm hear to learn!!:D

It's actually quite common for people to use an external amp for the front three speakers. There are a few amp manufacturers out there that offer three channel units. Whether or not you need one is another question.

Don't concern yourself with crossovers before the amps, it's a specialty thing that requires more hardware, some serious know-how and is tough to get right. It's mostly done in two channel rigs.

You want the best for for your Paradigms, get yourself a near-flagship quality receiver or go to a separates system. The bulk of "quality sound" will come from the quality of signal processing and room correction, more than the amps, whether they be internal, external or both.

I've had a whole gamut of brands through my rig and most sounded more alike than different. Yamaha and Denon are both decent choices, I've enjoyed both at a variety of price points.
Where they differ is in the room corrections IMO, I much prefer the Audyssey XT over YPAO, and unfortunately I've not use Pioneer's version in my set up so I can't comment on it. That's not to say YPAO is bad, I just think Audyssey is better.
I'm an ICEpower amp fan though, and if Pioneer SC series had Audyssey it would be my first choice because of that.

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:

Yeah...I'm so happy :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1676/img0669rk.jpg

Sweet.......

The bulk of "quality sound" will come from the quality of signal processing and room correction, more than the amps, whether they be internal, external or both.

Actually just last night i experience what adjustments to speaker placement can do.

My room is not ideal in size for a HT system, it's 20'x10' with the screen on the long wall - no choice here. My fronts were directly facing my back wall sat 1.5' inside of my rears and only about 1' from my 60' screen. So i moved them out 1.5' and toed them in so they pointed directly at my listening position forming the "golden triangle." I then popped in Band of Brothers for some solid sound testing...WOW. This made such a difference! It opened the sound stage right up and the detail was much more apparent as well because the sounds weren't sitting on top of each other fighting to be heard. My system now totally envelops me with distinct sounds which is exactly what i was hoping for.

This is so simple to do and i should have done it a while ago. I Just want to let anyone who's not quite content with their systems performance how much of a difference some small tweaking to your speaker placement can make.

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:

Yeah...I'm so happy :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1676/img0669rk.jpg

Welcome to the club.

It's actually quite common for people to use an external amp for the front three speakers. There are a few amp manufacturers out there that offer three channel units. Whether or not you need one is another question.

Don't concern yourself with crossovers before the amps, it's a specialty thing that requires more hardware, some serious know-how and is tough to get right. It's mostly done in two channel rigs.

You want the best for for your Paradigms, get yourself a near-flagship quality receiver or go to a separates system. The bulk of "quality sound" will come from the quality of signal processing and room correction, more than the amps, whether they be internal, external or both.

thanks rnrgagne!!

you and others have been a big help.I just want to make sure that I get the right system for my room and my listening needs and the right components the first time before I spend a wad of $$$$!

I went back and did some more reading on the thread to try to gather more info without having to bother you guys too much!!

stats one more time:
Integra 8.9 reciever
room size is 19x21x8= 3192 cubic ft.....living room with furniture
HT/MUSIC 50/50......if I could it would be more music!

new idea on system:
studio 100's
CC690
1 pair ADP 590's for sides and keep rear firing speakers
sub 15
Emotiva XPA-3 for fronts and center

I think this is my final decision!so one more time what do you guys think of this setup?

thanks
Z

I'm always surprised how many people go with the Studio 100s over the Signature S2s when they are also buying a subwoofer. The S2 is 15% cheaper than the Studio 100 and is better at everything except bass extension. But if you are crossing over to your sub at 80 Hz, all those woofers on the floorstander aren't doing much for you.

Is it just people preferring the aesthetics of floorstanders over bookshelves?

Hi All,
I need advice regarding the speaker selection.
I have Denon 2310 receiver
I am considering paradigm speakers in 5.1 (front bi-amp mode).
Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 7
Center: Paradigm CC290
Surround: Paradigm ADP 190
Sub: wharfedale SW 150 (I already have this sub)
Is this setup good enough:confused:
Whether paradigm speakers will match with Denon 2310. I think both are warm so should be OK ?.
Please suggest.

For me, I wanted the floorstand as my front speakers.

I'm always surprised how many people go with the Studio 100s over the Signature S2s when they are also buying a subwoofer. The S2 is 15% cheaper than the Studio 100 and is better at everything except bass extension. But if you are crossing over to your sub at 80 Hz, all those woofers on the floorstander aren't doing much for you.

Is it just people preferring the aesthetics of floorstanders over bookshelves?

I think this is my final decision!so one more time what do you guys think of this setup?

thanks
Z

Sounds great, except I'd give the 8.9 a try with the new speakers to see if you even need the Emotiva. I doubt you will with that sub in the mix.

I'm always surprised how many people go with the Studio 100s over the Signature S2s when they are also buying a subwoofer. The S2 is 15% cheaper than the Studio 100 and is better at everything except bass extension. But if you are crossing over to your sub at 80 Hz, all those woofers on the floorstander aren't doing much for you.

Is it just people preferring the aesthetics of floorstanders over bookshelves?

That would certainly be my first choice for music purposes in a small to medium room.
In a larger rooms, and with HT you want to move some air in the mid-bass area and the S2's could loose ground to floor-standers in that application.

Actually just last night i experience what adjustments to speaker placement can do.


That is passive room correction. ;)

Speaker placement is step one in room correction, treatments should be step two, and third is electronic correction especially in the sub 250hz region.

The more attention you pay to steps one and two the better the results of three will be.

As of today, I'm an official member of the Paradigm Club :)

Here are the pictures of the speakers still in the box:

Yeah...I'm so happy :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1676/img0669rk.jpg

Congrats! We all know the feeling. Looking forward to seeing some pics once you get them setup.

I too am thinking of getting the denon 2310. I think that would be a great setup if you dont make the mistake I made. I have a denon 1508 and a monitor set up and I went back to the dealer and listened to the studio 20s after I had the monitors. BIG MISTAKE! But the good news is Im getting my studio 20s friday. So get the monitors and go for it but dont listen to studios or it will mess you up. Im just so glad my dealer doesnt have the sigs. If I ever see them I will turn around and walkoff. maybe.
Let me know what you think of the denon. I am hoping to make a decision in the next 2 months.


Hi All,
I need advice regarding the speaker selection.
I have Denon 2310 receiver
I am considering paradigm speakers in 5.1 (front bi-amp mode).
Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 7
Center: Paradigm CC290
Surround: Paradigm ADP 190
Sub: wharfedale SW 150 (I already have this sub)
Is this setup good enough:confused:
Whether paradigm speakers will match with Denon 2310. I think both are warm so should be OK ?.
Please suggest.

Fronts: Monitor Atom
Center: Monitor CC-370
Rear: JBL (on schedule to be upgraded, looking at PVR-150)
Sub: JBL 8" (on schedule to be upgraded, looking at M&K or Velodyne 10-12")
Receiver: Yamaha RX-995

Hey guys, i'm on the slow upgrade path... I'm not an audiophile, but do like good speakers. My first upgrade from my JBL surround in a box setup was the Atom's.. and now the CC-370.

The problem i'm having is that my CC-370 sounds very flat compared to my Atom's.. is this normal? The Atom's are brighter when listening to music, but the Center is very.... not muffled, but not near as bright as the Atoms... it just sounds off... is this normal?

80% HT/TV
10% Music
10% 360

Sounds great, except I'd give the 8.9 a try with the new speakers to see if you even need the Emotiva. I doubt you will with that sub in the mix.

rnrgagne...thanks once again!!

this is what I'm trying to figure out.so your saying with the power the sub 15 has, which I will probably set the crossover at 60 or 80 depending on how it sounds/performs,you dont think I need the Emotiva.

so if I understand correctly,if I didnt have a sub this big/powerfull or a sub at all then I may need an amp for HT or 2 channel listening?

I definitly wouldnt want to waste money on an amp if its not going to give me what I would expect to be a great improvment in HT or 2 channel!!

thank God for this forum and the ppl on it!!:)

I have Studio 40's as fronts powered by an Onkyo 607. I decided to bi-wire the 40's, even though the 607 manual calls it bi-amping. It's really not. I just did it today and didn't have time to do any listening before I went to work. My question is--should I notice a difference in sound or sound quality? Exactly what is the purpose of bi-wiring? Is it just something cool to do just because you can? Or does it actually serve a useful purpose?

That would certainly be my first choice for music purposes in a small to medium room.
In a larger rooms, and with HT you want to move some air in the mid-bass area and the S2's could loose ground to floor-standers in that application.

Both the Studio 100 and S2 are basically flat in frequency response between 80 Hz and 300 Hz, so it's not like the S2 has a 'hole' in the mid-bass. The 100s slightly higher sensitivity and power handling is mostly owing to power below 80-Hz, where your sub is doing all the work.

Let's say you were playing 100 Hz test tones, both the 100s and S2 could play uncomfortably loud without distortion. All those woofers just let the 100s play lower, which it shouldn't do if your bass management is set up properly anyway.

Anyone know of a online retailer selling the studio 100's with the 690?

You can search Audiogon.com for paradigm

Paradigm does not advocate online retailers and pretty much will not stand behind the warranty of online sales...

Both the Studio 100 and S2 are basically flat in frequency response between 80 Hz and 300 Hz, so it's not like the S2 has a 'hole' in the mid-bass. The 100s slightly higher sensitivity and power handling is mostly owing to power below 80-Hz, where your sub is doing all the work.

Let's say you were playing 100 Hz test tones, both the 100s and S2 could play uncomfortably loud without distortion. All those woofers just let the 100s play lower, which it shouldn't do if your bass management is set up properly anyway.

Many people, myself included, prefer to listen to two-channel music w/out a sub. And, for sheer visceral impact in HT, more drivers is definitely better! ;)

Anyone know of a online retailer selling the studio 100's with the 690?

I will be selling brand new pair of 100's soon...but Id like to keep it in the GTA :(
Otherwise...
...Audiogon or ebay would be your best bet.... They had some on audioliquidator but all paradigm products got removed about 2-3 weeks ago...

anyone know which center channel matches the Paradigm Studio 20's v1? How good are these speakers supposed to be in comparison to the current line?

Both the Studio 100 and S2 are basically flat in frequency response between 80 Hz and 300 Hz, so it's not like the S2 has a 'hole' in the mid-bass. The 100s slightly higher sensitivity and power handling is mostly owing to power below 80-Hz, where your sub is doing all the work.

Let's say you were playing 100 Hz test tones, both the 100s and S2 could play uncomfortably loud without distortion. All those woofers just let the 100s play lower, which it shouldn't do if your bass management is set up properly anyway.

I think you missed my point. I'm not suggesting that they can't play mid bass accurately, just that there's a limit to how big a room & sitting distance they can do that with. If the 100's have three drivers operating below 250hz they're going to push more air over a larger distance plain and simple.

The mid bass you "feel" lessens with the increase in size of room and more improtantly the further away you get from the speakers, it's just physics.

Just to elborate on my point a bit more - headphones measure flat from 20hz to 20khz too - how far away from your ears do they have to get before you don't hear the bass....or they sound like crap? Same basic principle, there's a limit to how much air they can "excite".

rnrgagne...thanks once again!!

this is what I'm trying to figure out.so your saying with the power the sub 15 has, which I will probably set the crossover at 60 or 80 depending on how it sounds/performs,you dont think I need the Emotiva.

so if I understand correctly,if I didnt have a sub this big/powerfull or a sub at all then I may need an amp for HT or 2 channel listening?

I definitly wouldnt want to waste money on an amp if its not going to give me what I would expect to be a great improvment in HT or 2 channel!!

thank God for this forum and the ppl on it!!:)

I'm saying I don't know for sure, and you don't either, so until you try the 8.9 in your room with your speakers and listening to your material don't buy an amp on someone else's say-so.

I'm saying I don't know for sure, and you don't either, so until you try the 8.9 in your room with your speakers and listening to your material don't buy an amp on someone else's say-so.

thanks again for your help!!:)

Hey all Im not to sure what to do. I have a C3 center channel that I have been having problems with. Its about 1.5 yrs old and has a 5 yr warranty. I have had it to the store that sold it to me and they have changed out components like mid/tweet combo and even the crossover to it. However there is still a "crackle" in the audio out of the speaker. I can hear it on the test tones and even in movies in voices. I thought it was just me so I boxed it up and went over to the father in laws tonight who is an audio junkie and has a similar set-up. He had a listen and said he also could hear what he thought was another frequency in the test tone. I have almost had enough of this back and forth to the dealer that is a 3 hour drive one way. What does a guy have to do to get a replacement speaker. Has anyone else had a similar problem with a speaker, any advise on what to do??? Thanks

Hi All,
I need advice regarding the speaker selection.
I have Denon 2310 receiver
I am considering paradigm speakers in 5.1 (front bi-amp mode).
Fronts: Paradigm Monitor 7
Center: Paradigm CC290
Surround: Paradigm ADP 190
Sub: wharfedale SW 150 (I already have this sub)
Is this setup good enough:confused:
Whether paradigm speakers will match with Denon 2310. I think both are warm so should be OK ?.
Please suggest.

That is a fine match for the Monitor line.
If you have listened to the Monitor line and chose based on it pleasing your ears and is in your budget you did great.
I am a big fan of the Monitor line, see my pics, but if I had it to do over I would have gone with the Studio line and bought what I could with the money in my budget and expanded as I had more money. I'd also give the new Special Edition line a listen...it has received very good reviews by forum members and is reasonably priced...basically Studio line innards but not the Studio exterior quality.

Good luck and let us know what you wind up doing.

I have posted on this thread a few times, and I am still dream shopping. I will be making a decision very soon, but I would like to get some input from everyone first. As this is a Paradigm thread, I am not asking for a direct comparison cross manufacturer, but I would like to know if you had your choice would you go with the Studio 20's or the SE 3's. I am looking at the B&W 683's also, as they are a floor standing speaker I would like some opinions on the SE 3's if anyone has them, as I feel they are close to the B&W's. It is my understanding that the SE's carry the same drivers as the Studio's, with a cheaper enclosure. My dealer does not carry the SE line, only Monitor, Studio, and Signature. I will be adding a SVS PB12 plus to the mix, so I am definitely not worried about the low end.

Hi guys,

I am in the market for a home theater system and stumbled upon your owner's thread. What would you guys recommend for someone who wants to spend $1500 for speakers.

Would you:

a) just buy the front stage now and save up for surrounds later on

or

b) get the 5.0 system now since it's going to be better than what you have now (nothing)

Thoughts?

Thanks

oh and which dealer in so. california has the best prices?

Yep i can say stick with the denon family!
The ability to asign anything to anything is fantastic
-5 started to get a bit of distortion had to go up to -1 before same distortion, however the denon was a tad (1-1.5db) louder.

Nothing to say negative about the 2310 other than the stupid, really stupid remote.... :|

Matt


I agree and that why I didnt say that all yamahas were terrible. I know they make some good receivers but the main complaint I have heard is that their amps are not very powerful and the test bench that I have seen on them is not that great. I know in the real world that you probably wont have all channels maxed out at one but I like to know the receiver has some umph to it. If I am paying for alot of money for a reciever that is 100 watts per channel I want it to hit at least 85 x 5. I agree that everybody needs to listen to different receivers and pick whats best for them. But, if asked my opinion then I will be happy to give it. Between the two that he mentioned I would take the pioneer and Im sure some would take the yamaha. Yamaha's sound has never been to my liking but alot of people buy them. I always listen to reciever before I buy them if possible but I also like to see reviews from experts and owners. The Pioneers test bench was 138 watts with 5 channels driven so I would say that is has a powerful amp. I wouldnt let that make my decision but its good to know that the receiver has some umph to it.
I am looking at the denon 2310. It would be for sure if it had preamp outputs but since it dosnt I have been looking at Pioneer elite also. What are you running with your denon? Can it get pretty loud without distorion? Any info would be great. I still would like to stay in the denon family I just dont want to regret it in 6 months and the 3310 is over the top of my budget big time!!

That is a fine match for the Monitor line.
If you have listened to the Monitor line and chose based on it pleasing your ears and is in your budget you did great.
I am a big fan of the Monitor line, see my pics, but if I had it to do over I would have gone with the Studio line and bought what I could with the money in my budget and expanded as I had more money. I'd also give the new Special Edition line a listen...it has received very good reviews by forum members and is reasonably priced...basically Studio line innards but not the Studio exterior quality.

Good luck and let us know what you wind up doing.

Thanks.. for Advice, I am going to Mumbai this Weekend i will try auditioning monitor series, Here in My town Pune there is no authorized Paradigm dealer. Its India so dealers are few and in selected Cities Only.
Hope, my trip will not go in vain.

I'm looking for input from anyone who is using a Pioneer VSX21 or VSX9040 with their Studio 40's as opposed to an Onkyo 607? Different world altogether? Or will it make that much difference? I am really liking what I read about the 9040, and the price is outstanding!! Anyone?

I have posted on this thread a few times, and I am still dream shopping. I will be making a decision very soon, but I would like to get some input from everyone first. As this is a Paradigm thread, I am not asking for a direct comparison cross manufacturer, but I would like to know if you had your choice would you go with the Studio 20's or the SE 3's. I am looking at the B&W 683's also, as they are a floor standing speaker I would like some opinions on the SE 3's if anyone has them, as I feel they are close to the B&W's. It is my understanding that the SE's carry the same drivers as the Studio's, with a cheaper enclosure. My dealer does not carry the SE line, only Monitor, Studio, and Signature. I will be adding a SVS PB12 plus to the mix, so I am definitely not worried about the low end.

I listened to Studio 20s and Studio 60s for about an hour in the showroom, no sub. I preferred the floorstanders. So that's why I ordered the SE3s and I'm VERY happy with them. Even though I have 2 subs, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the SE3s over the Studio 20s.

I haven't listened to the 683s. I suspect that the SE3s would give you a better value-for-the-money.

I think you missed my point. I'm not suggesting that they can't play mid bass accurately, just that there's a limit to how big a room & sitting distance they can do that with. If the 100's have three drivers operating below 250hz they're going to push more air over a larger distance plain and simple.

The mid bass you "feel" lessens with the increase in size of room and more improtantly the further away you get from the speakers, it's just physics.

Just to elborate on my point a bit more - headphones measure flat from 20hz to 20khz too - how far away from your ears do they have to get before you don't hear the bass....or they sound like crap? Same basic principle, there's a limit to how much air they can "excite".

this statement is very true. Lately i have really been into getting "proper" quality music to play on my ipod and when i do, it sounds so freaking awesome. So good that i actually say that that is how i want my system to sound but louder. everything is so crystal clear, highs, mids, even bass and i am sure it is because of what rnrgagne is saying.....the air doesnt have far to travel at all. Only if my S4s can sound like that i would be more than happy......;)

would a C5 V2 be too much for S4 V2s?

would a C5 V2 be too much for S4 V2s?

There is no such thing as too much. Just about every new receiver has some form of room correction which will adjust speaker levels so that your surround field is equal at the listening position. BTW, the C5 is one of the best centers I have heard, period.

I just got a C5. It's one big unit. Weighs 82 lbs.

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0018.jpg

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0020.jpg

thats a version 1 right???

Now thats a center channel!!!!!
Very nice.

Any idea what makes the C5 weigh so much?

I just got a C5. It's one big unit. Weighs 82 lbs.

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0018.jpg

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0020.jpg

that is one beautiful speaker!!I assume they dont make that finish anymore?

Anyone know what the original list price was of the Studio 100v4 per pair?

Also what kind of discount should someone expect on a pair of these speakers that have been demo units.

Thanks in advance for any help.

that is one beautiful speaker!!I assume they dont make that finish anymore?

That is one gorgeous speaker!!:eek:

Any idea what makes the C5 weigh so much?


That picture doesn't do the speaker justice. It is about 4 1/2 feet wide and 16" deep and 10" high. Most of the weight is the cabinet.

Anyone know what the original list price was of the Studio 100v4 per pair?

Also what kind of discount should someone expect on a pair of these speakers that have been demo units.

Thanks in advance for any help.

I think they were about $2500 a pair when they were out. New retail is $3000 for the next few weeks.

The C5 really is the pinnacle of center speaker design. 24 Hz bass extension, 250W power handling, 93 dB in-room sensitivity, 80 lbs...the specs are almost as beautiful as the speaker itself.

I have the W5C (on-wall version of the C5), and I'm constantly amazed by how well lead vocals/instruments are anchored on the sound stage on multichannel audio mixes (mostly concert Blu-rays).

I'm not even much of a jazz fan, but the Chris Botti in Boston concert Blu-ray demonstrates what a good center speaker can do better than any other material I've heard. Most of the concert features Botti playing his trumpet at center stage with the orchestra behind him, and a proper speaker setup can put you right in the front row by recreating this highly 3-dimensional sound stage.

Is anyone using the new SE center channel??
I need a new center to go with my Studio 20's and all the studio centers are too big to fit in my media cabinet, so I'm thinking of going with the SE center (since it will fit)

Just wondering if anyone has any opinions on it!?

I think they were about $2500 a pair when they were out. New retail is $3000 for the next few weeks.

Thanks for the reply. What type of discount should I expect on Studio 100v4 Demo units. Demo units for 2-3 years (since initial release) and estimate 500 hours use. Cosmetically good shape.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

I'm going to ask a newbie question.

What is the proper way of unpacking these speakers from the box?

On the box, it says "UNPACK FROM BOTTOM - TO AVOID SPEAKER DAMAGE, FOLLOW ALL UNPACKING INSTRUCTION"

I would like to keep the box intact. Currently, the speakers are standing up. Should I put these speakers side or flat down on the floor and cut the bottom box apart. And then put it back standing up and pull the box upward?

Thanks, :)

I'm going to ask a newbie question.

What is the proper way of unpacking these speakers from the box?

On the box, it says "UNPACK FROM BOTTOM - TO AVOID SPEAKER DAMAGE, FOLLOW ALL UNPACKING INSTRUCTION"

I would like to keep the box intact. Currently, the speakers are standing up. Should I put these speakers side or flat down on the floor and cut the bottom box apart. And then put it back standing up and pull the box upward?

Thanks, :)

Congrats on the new speakers!

I'm not sure about your exact speakers, but with my Monitor 9's I got a few weeks ago the instructions actually had me open from the bottom and then put the feet/spikes on the bottom of the speaker while it was still on it's side. Of course I didn't realize this until I got the first speaker out of the box and saw the instruction manual. The speakers were packaged in such a way that the speaker was supported to allow for attaching the feet after it was pulled out a foot or so. If I remember correctly the feet and hardware were in a small box at the bottom of the speaker box to easily allow for this. One thing I made sure to do was look in through the handle opening on the side of the box to determine which side the speaker grille was on so as not to lay the heavy box on that side. Hopefully that helps you with your speaker model as well - assuming they are all boxed about the same way.

Is anyone using the new SE center channel??
I need a new center to go with my Studio 20's and all the studio centers are too big to fit in my media cabinet, so I'm thinking of going with the SE center (since it will fit)

Just wondering if anyone has any opinions on it!?

Yes, I have the SE center. I recently purchased 2 SE3's for the front, the SE center and 2 SE1's for the rear. In my opinion, the center channel sounds great. I was quite amazed at how much sound comes from such a small box.

I have posted on this thread a few times, and I am still dream shopping. I will be making a decision very soon, but I would like to get some input from everyone first. As this is a Paradigm thread, I am not asking for a direct comparison cross manufacturer, but I would like to know if you had your choice would you go with the Studio 20's or the SE 3's. I am looking at the B&W 683's also, as they are a floor standing speaker I would like some opinions on the SE 3's if anyone has them, as I feel they are close to the B&W's. It is my understanding that the SE's carry the same drivers as the Studio's, with a cheaper enclosure. My dealer does not carry the SE line, only Monitor, Studio, and Signature. I will be adding a SVS PB12 plus to the mix, so I am definitely not worried about the low end.

I have a full SE set up. SE3's for the front, SE center and SE1's for the rear. I think they sound great. I prefer the better sound stage that the floor standers provide. I have an SVS PC Ultra sub so I could have gone for smaller fronts. I just like the sound and looks of the floor standers better. I guess it just all depends on your preference.

I posted a variation of this pic in the subwoofer photos thread, but I'll post here as well... Paradigm Reference Signature S6 and Signature Servo.

I'm going to ask a newbie question.

What is the proper way of unpacking these speakers from the box?

On the box, it says "UNPACK FROM BOTTOM - TO AVOID SPEAKER DAMAGE, FOLLOW ALL UNPACKING INSTRUCTION"

I would like to keep the box intact. Currently, the speakers are standing up. Should I put these speakers side or flat down on the floor and cut the bottom box apart. And then put it back standing up and pull the box upward?

Thanks, :)

Check online and see if there are instructions for download. Might include how to get them out of the box. Opening the bottom, standing them up, and pulling the box off sounds familiar but that memory is 4 years old now for me.

I just got a C5. It's one big unit. Weighs 82 lbs.

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0018.jpg

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0020.jpg

Nice new center! Word of advice though, Not sure if thats just a temporary position, but I suggest you somehow pull it forward, otherwise you are getting heavy sound reflections off of your stand thus not allowing you to hear the full potential of such a nice speaker :)

I posted a variation of this pic in the subwoofer photos thread, but I'll post here as well... Paradigm Reference Signature S6 and Signature Servo.

beautiful system:cool: post some more pics since its not to often people post the natural maple finish.

Any plans for a matching center?

Lay the speaker boxes on their sides and open the bottom of the box. Fold flaps out and upright box and lift off. This also works for the CC.

Very nice selection Sassy! :D

I'm going to ask a newbie question.

What is the proper way of unpacking these speakers from the box?

On the box, it says "UNPACK FROM BOTTOM - TO AVOID SPEAKER DAMAGE, FOLLOW ALL UNPACKING INSTRUCTION"

I would like to keep the box intact. Currently, the speakers are standing up. Should I put these speakers side or flat down on the floor and cut the bottom box apart. And then put it back standing up and pull the box upward?

Thanks, :)

The unpacking instructions are printed on a yellow sheet in the bottom of the box. I opened my S8's today and immediately discovered the box was too tall to slide off the speaker without hitting my 8 foot ceiling. I had to sit in my armchair and slide it off at an angle. Be careful because the drivers are unprotected. The grill is packed separately in the box.

The instructions say to have two people, but what is the likelihood of a married man being allowed to buy S8's?

I just got a C5. It's one big unit. Weighs 82 lbs.

http://getdieselpower.com/misc/home-theater/Home_Theater_Album/medium/0018.jpg


Is that a 40 year old folding table your C5 is sitting on? Aren't you afraid that C5 is going to crush that table? :eek:

BTW, I forgot to say that is one beautiful speaker.

The instructions say to have two people, but what is the likelihood of a married man being allowed to buy S8's?

thats right there is funny!!post of the day!!:D

I posted a variation of this pic in the subwoofer photos thread, but I'll post here as well... Paradigm Reference Signature S6 and Signature Servo.

Nice system - is that a Yamaha receiver?

That is one beautiful speaker! The envy of many who wish they owned Paradigm speakers! Does anyone have any experience with the Paradigm CS in wall speakers and your thoughts on them? Thanks!

Jeff

Does anyone know any heavy duty wall mounts i can use to replace those from the factory...i'm trying to mount my signature adp3v.1's...help

Well, called the Parts dept today to check up on my S2. They said they "couldn't find anything wrong with the speaker so sent it to their Research dept". I sure hope I'll get it back tomorrow, and hopefully they figure out what's wrong with it (there was definitely a vibration/rattle with bass, but as I said it was quite low and didn't happen all the time or right away).

To echo a post from a few days ago, it sounds like Paradigm prices are slated to rise next month. My local dealer (in Massachusetts) said it is variable but approx 10% increase across the line for anything he orders after March 31...

beautiful system:cool: post some more pics since its not to often people post the natural maple finish.

Any plans for a matching center?

Nice system - is that a Yamaha receiver?

bigred: thanks, they kind of stand out :) centre and surrounds will be replaced over time, but i'd sell my mission setup first. audiofan: the receiver is a Yamaha RX-V3800, with an Allen & Heath XONE:92 in the back. i think in time i'll be looking into a two channel amp for the front as well.

To echo a post from a few days ago, it sounds like Paradigm prices are slated to rise next month. My local dealer (in Massachusetts) said it is variable but approx 10% increase across the line for anything he orders after March 31...

ny dealer informed me of the same thing!!:(

So I just pulled the trigger on some Paradigm SE stuff.

My dealer said it would only take 3-5 business days go ship. That seems very optomistic to me. Would anyone care to share their shipping time experiences..

P.S. I live in TX

So I just pulled the trigger on some Paradigm SE stuff.

My dealer said it would only take 3-5 business days go ship. That seems very optomistic to me. Would anyone care to share their shipping time experiences..

P.S. I live in TX

What SE stuff did u get?

My dealer said it would only take 3-5 business days go ship. That seems very optomistic to me. Would anyone care to share their shipping time experiences.. P.S. I live in TX

I also ordered mine from a dealer in TX (Dallas Area) and it took almost 2 weeks to get my Studio's shipped. The reason I understand is they do not ship via UPS/FedEx, etc - it is shipped freight & palletized so they are safer than the other carriers that are known for busting things up (We all love the care UPS gives to packages)........

I also ran into the fact that customs held up my shipment for inspection, so that was another delay reason considering these are coming from Canada. Can't be too trusting that a high end speaker company isn't shipping anything strange in the speakers - got to love customs as a ton of heroin goes by, the Paradigms are held up for inspection - lmao. They just wanted to see how freaking beautiful they looked, I know they had ulterior motives. :D

Wow that is funny. They could make a movie out of that. Where some terrorist sends some speakers with a bomb in it and once they hit 80 db the bomb goes off. I can see it now. I will get Denzel to be in it. He can disarm the bomb without hurting the speakers of course and everyone will be happy in the end. It will be a blockbuster.

I also ordered mine from a dealer in TX (Dallas Area) and it took almost 2 weeks to get my Studio's shipped. The reason I understand is they do not ship via UPS/FedEx, etc - it is shipped freight & palletized so they are safer than the other carriers that are known for busting things up (We all love the care UPS gives to packages)........

I also ran into the fact that customs held up my shipment for inspection, so that was another delay reason considering these are coming from Canada. Can't be too trusting that a high end speaker company isn't shipping anything strange in the speakers - got to love customs as a ton of heroin goes by, the Paradigms are held up for inspection - lmao. They just wanted to see how freaking beautiful they looked, I know they had ulterior motives. :D

So I just pulled the trigger on some Paradigm SE stuff.

My dealer said it would only take 3-5 business days go ship. That seems very optomistic to me. Would anyone care to share their shipping time experiences..

P.S. I live in TX

I ordered 2 se3's and an se center from my delaer on a Sat(they probably didnt order till Mon) and I got the call that they were in the following Wed. So it was about 8 business days to Arizona.

How long is the warranty on Paradigm's products (specifically the Studio line if there are differences)?

opinions needed!!

would ya'll think that $9500,which includes an 8% sales tax a fair price for:
2-studio 100's
CC690
4-ADP 590'S
SUB 15
and it would be $9720 if I go the PBK-1

thanks
Z

i would actually drop off 2 of those ADPs and put the money towards upgrading to the sub 25. I actually had the chance to hear one of these monsters and that is just what they are.....MONSTERS!!!!!!! keep a solid 5.1 system as most movies still havent come in 7.1 as yet and get the unbelievable bass from that sub 25 :) you'll have time and probably money later on to add surround backs (which IMO should be either Studio 10s or 20s)

How long is the warranty on Paradigm's products (specifically the Studio line if there are differences)?

Limited warranty of 5 years page 13 of owners manual.