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Kimwyn

03-20-10, 11:37 AM

Hey Kimwyn!!
I'm actually going to do what you suggest about the rears which I had discussed here a while back because the rear of my room has a bookshelf/cabinets.so I'm going to keep my direct firing speakers in the rear for now.in my situation I have to have wall mounted rears which I have now or do some modifications to put stands or shelves!

I just wanted to post my original quote form my dealer on what I thought was going to be my setup in the beginning!with only 2 ADP's it would be less of course.

so have you been able to compare the sub 15 and the 25 side by side.my dealer has neither for me to listen to.how much more is the sub 25 compared to the 15?

i havent actually heard a sub 15 so i cant compare the 2 but i can tell you, that when i heard the sub 25, it was so clean and tight that it made me uncomfortable. it felt as if i was being punched in the chest. That sub is a monster, if it wasnt so expensive i would have bought one for sure but for now i can get 3 ULS-15s for the price of one sub 25. in my opinion, i dont think there is no way 1 sub 25 can sound better than 3 ULS-15s and i havent even heard a ULS-15(yet :D mine is on its way). i just dont know why paradigm has their subs so expensive :confused:

zwalls

03-20-10, 11:58 AM

i havent actually heard a sub 15 so i cant compare the 2 but i can tell you, that when i heard the sub 25, it was so clean and tight that it made me uncomfortable. it felt as if i was being punched in the chest. That sub is a monster, if it wasnt so expensive i would have bought one for sure but for now i can get 3 ULS-15s for the price of one sub 25. in my opinion, i dont think there is no way 1 sub 25 can sound better than 3 ULS-15s and i havent even heard a ULS-15(yet :D mine is on its way). i just dont know why paradigm has their subs so expensive :confused:

sounds impressive no doubt.I'm sure I cant swing the cost difference in a signature series sub compared to a studio right now no matter how good it sounds:(
but hey the new system I getting will be drastic improvment over what I have now:D

rnrgagne

03-20-10, 12:01 PM

i just dont know why paradigm has their subs so expensive :confused:

Yeah, we discussed this earlier in the thread. It's sort of out of character for them. Paradigm probably sells enough speakers and has their production costs at a levels where they can compete price-wise with speakers made overseas, but that might not be the case with their subs.

eric-t

03-20-10, 12:20 PM

I have been looking into the Monitor 7's and CC-290. Does anyone own this combo? If so, how do you like them?

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/fronts-monitor-monitor7-model-2-4-1-17.paradigm

http://www.paradigm.com/en/paradigm/centers-monitor-cc290-model-3-4-1-7.paradigm

oresund5

03-20-10, 12:20 PM

looks aside any notable sound differences? What music did you listen to audition? Bass i guess would be a lot better? treble?

Imaging is much better, and more detail. The monitor 9's start to break down with volume but the 60's handle it much better.

I put the Yamaha receiver on pure direct and the vocals are very focused and accurate. I played the White Album on CD and heard sounds in the music that I never heard before. I haven't run the calibration on the receiver yet and I think I have the crossover for my SVS PB10-NSD sub set at 80hz. I will try without the sub to see what the bass is like.

Warpdrv

03-20-10, 12:30 PM

No kidding it certainly justifies my journey into DIY so heavy....

Just started my upgrade on my subs....
3 - Dual Opposed 18" LMS subs.... 6 LMS's with a 4000w amp for each driver, and each should have about 3 -4 x the output of a Sub 25, boxes will be just a touch larger then an SVS Ultra... Hope to have it done in a few weeks.

I think I have a problem... Maybe I should seek some therapy :o

dpnaugle

03-20-10, 12:58 PM

opinions needed!!

would ya'll think that $9500,which includes an 8% sales tax a fair price for:
2-studio 100's
CC690
4-ADP 590'S
SUB 15
and it would be $9720 if I go the PBK-1

thanks
Z

I think there is more savings in choosing a different sub, unless you want all Paradigm. Assuming this is v5, that's about a 10% savings off list after tax.

You should ask for a bigger dicount for getting it all at one time.

DPN

Pair4Dimes

03-20-10, 01:21 PM

Pair4Dimes

03-20-10, 01:22 PM

that's US Pair4Dimes!!

Hmm.. I see for Canada that would be a really good discount...

Cant comment on US..but at least you got some % off, some dealers dont discout depending on where you are.

John WL

03-20-10, 01:27 PM

Hey guys, I just wanted to post my quick impression of the ADP3 Paradigm Signature surround speakers. In my current setup, I have a pair of Signature S6's and a C3 center channel. In the past, I was using another manufacturers bipole surround. I listen to 70/30 music/movies.

The old surrounds never matched up with the S6's and this constantly annoyed me. I installed bass traps, wall treatments, and I ran Audyssey...and they all helped. But, there was always that timbre mismatch that drove me up the wall. It was like when a musician would strum a guitar, and part of the sound would come from the fronts and some of the other tones would come from the back. The musical image would never stay in one spot :mad:.

Finially, two week ago I purchased the ADP3's. All I can say is OMG..OMG..OMG :eek: :D. My system sounds phenomenal now. The ADP's match perfectly with my S6 fronts and C3 center speakers. Multichannel music sounds great. The matching surrounds have created an image and soundstage that is much more realistic. I was worried about having adaptive dipoles since I listen to mostly music, but it sounds great. One caveat is that in the room I have, direct firing speakers would have been very difficult to place due to doors, windows, etc. For anyone on the fence about these speaker...make the jump and get them. The only downside to the ADP3's is the price and it can be a major one. But if you have the $$, get them.

What have I learned since I started upgrading my system? First and foremost speakers, speakers, speakers make the biggest improvement in sound. Room treatments, separates, etc... to a much smaller degree. But, the journey has been fun so far ;).

Dave Ol

03-20-10, 01:38 PM

Could you turn on pure audio mode (presuming your avr has it of course) this should turn off your sub and pure full freq out to your se3's and listen to some 2 channel music that your familiar with that has some bass (nothing crazy) and report back? cheers, Im hanging out as you can tell!!!

Maybe just some mainstream music not sure what you might have around!

When I auditioned the speakers it was a pair of Studio 60's vs SE1's (they didn't have any SE3's on hand). I auditioned them with music without a sub. To me, even the SE1's had plenty of base. But this is subjective, as what I think might be good base may not be the same for you. It was very hard to tell a difference between the Studios and the SE's, even though there are two extra drivers in the 60's.

Bottom line, I personally think the base output is fine. That being said, in today's world of speakers it is my opinion that everyone needs a sub even for two channel music. So base output was not a big concern to me since I have a sub. Also, I think the SE's are damn close to the sound of the Studio line. If there is a difference, I certainly can't tell.

zwalls

03-20-10, 01:43 PM

I think there is more savings in choosing a different sub, unless you want all Paradigm. Assuming this is v5, that's about a 10% savings off list after tax.

You should ask for a bigger dicount for getting it all at one time.

DPN

Hmm.. I see for Canada that would be a really good discount...

Cant comment on US..but at least you got some % off, some dealers dont discout depending on where you are.

I feel I should be getting a little more savings, beings I've been buying stuff from this guy for 14 yrs.just last yr I bought an Intergra 8.9 and a new 54" plasma from him!he is good to me when it comes to service and that does mean a lot."BUT" when he shops me on a new vehicle I "ALWAYS" give him dealer invoice which pays me a $100 commission, not also counting all the ppl I've sent to him over the yrs!

maybe I'm wrong wanting a little more.:confused:I have a somewhat hard time to ask for a little more, cause ppl beat up on me all day long about price and I know how it feels.I dont expect him to sell it to me at invoice but hey,I am buying 8 studio speakers from him!!

just my $.02

zwalls

03-20-10, 01:46 PM

Hey guys, I just wanted to post my quick impression of the ADP3 Paradigm Signature surround speakers. In my current setup, I have a pair of Signature S6's and a C3 center channel. In the past, I was using another manufacturers bipole surround. I listen to 70/30 music/movies.

The old surrounds never matched up with the S6's and this constantly annoyed me. I installed bass traps, wall treatments, and I ran Audyssey...and they all helped. But, there was always that timbre mismatch that drove me up the wall. It was like when a musician would strum a guitar, and part of the sound would come from the fronts and some of the other tones would come from the back. The musical image would never stay in one spot :mad:.

Finially, two week ago I purchased the ADP3's. All I can say is OMG..OMG..OMG :eek: :D. My system sounds phenomenal now. The ADP's match perfectly with my S6 fronts and C3 center speakers. Multichannel music sounds great. The matching surrounds have created an image and soundstage that is much more realistic. I was worried about having adaptive dipoles since I listen to mostly music, but it sounds great. One caveat is that in the room I have, direct firing speakers would have been very difficult to place due to doors, windows, etc. For anyone on the fence about these speaker...make the jump and get them. The only downside to the ADP3's is the price and it can me a major one. But if you have the $$, get them.

What have I learned since I started upgrading my system? First and foremost speakers, speakers, speakers make the biggest improvement in sound. Room treatments, separates, etc... to a much smaller degree. But, the journey has been fun so far ;).

congrats on your new ADP3's.sounds like you have a big:D on your face right now!!

John WL

03-20-10, 01:58 PM

congrats on your new ADP3's.sounds like you have a big:D on your face right now!!

I am grinning from ear to ear. Although, my wife does not understand this hobby. The other day she came into my room and was astonished that I was just sitting there. I mean I was just sitting there, and smiling and (from her point of view) doing nothing...hahaha. That's ok because I still don't understand why she is always buying new shoes. I guess we are even ;).

Pair4Dimes

03-20-10, 02:14 PM

I feel I should be getting a little more savings, beings I've been buying stuff from this guy for 14 yrs.just last yr I bought an Intergra 8.9 and a new 54" plasma from him!he is good to me when it comes to service and that does mean a lot."BUT" when he shops me on a new vehicle I "ALWAYS" give him dealer invoice which pays me a $100 commission, not also counting all the ppl I've sent to him over the yrs!

maybe I'm wrong wanting a little more.:confused:I have a somewhat hard time to ask for a little more, cause ppl beat up on me all day long about price and I know how it feels.I dont expect him to sell it to me at invoice but hey,I am buying 8 studio speakers from him!!

just my $.02

Yes definitely... A loyal customer like you should get the family discout :D ~ 25-30%

Pair4Dimes

03-20-10, 02:15 PM

Warpdrv

03-20-10, 02:37 PM

Holy crap... and possibly a doctor for your bleeding ears. :D

Not as loud in the room my size, but I will have plenty of headroom to spare when I want to crank em up... effortless, incredibly clean output. Should be fun... :)

zwalls

03-20-10, 03:07 PM

I am grinning from ear to ear. Although, my wife does not understand this hobby. The other day she came into my room and was astonished that I was just sitting there. I mean I was just sitting there, and smiling and (from her point of view) doing nothing...hahaha. That's ok because I still don't understand why she is always buying new shoes. I guess we are even ;).

LMAO......it's no different at my house.she'll enjoy a good movie in HT,but she could live without it.
we are redoing some flooring in the house,changing out window,etc.so this is why I'm buying new speakers!!but she really doesnt know how much they are going to cost me.:D
I've just been stashing bounuses and spiffs from work to suppliment what she knows I'm spending!!

hopefully before too long I'll be just like you.just sitting there :D

zwalls

03-20-10, 03:15 PM

Yes definitely... A loyal customer like you should get the family discout :D ~ 25-30%

thanks....this makes me feel better about asking him for more:D

JulienLN

03-20-10, 05:31 PM

I currently have some Titan Monitor v6 and I've been really enjoying them since I snagged them in December. Anyways, I have been looking at either the CC-190 or CC-290 for my next purchase. Anyone have any suggestions or pointers on which is the better buy?

flatlander4510

03-20-10, 07:14 PM

If you guys could choose over the SE3 new for $1300 + tax, or the Studio 100 v4 used for $1400, which would you choose? I'm in the process of building my first home theater/stereo setup. Sticking with just two channels for now as I will mostly be using it for music, and no subwoofer because I live in an apartment.

Stylz25

03-20-10, 07:42 PM

You guys think the Onkyo 807 would be a good match/AVR for the Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 system or would you guys go with a different avr? Just curious as to opinions.....thx guys!

unavol

03-20-10, 07:52 PM

Hi guys,

I like all sorts of music ranging from tori amos (used her scarlet walk cd for auditioning) to dire straits and everything in between! Im not into heavy rock/metal although the odd track is great for some fun! I like my music clear and precise.

I'm a Dire Straits/Paradigm fan too. Love Over Gold is a good album to use for auditioning speakers. It has good dymanics (Telegraph Road), lots of interesting details (like the footsteps and bottle breaking in Private Investigations) & it uses a wide frequency range...espacially if it's the older noncompressed disc. Good luck with your search & decidsion.

519audiofan

03-20-10, 07:56 PM

George Fire Eagl

03-20-10, 08:19 PM

zwalls

03-20-10, 09:20 PM

i would go for the 100's if i were you if they are in good shape. They are a nice pair of speakers to build your home theatre around.

+1

zwalls

03-20-10, 09:25 PM

4 Paradigm Monitor 11 Tower Speakers pair / Rosenut
Paradigm DSP 3200 Subwoofer / Rosenut
Paradigm CC-390 Center Channel Speaker / Rosenut
Paradigm ADP-390 Surround / rear speaker / each
Yamaha RX-V765:D
What ya all think?

I will be getting it around 4/3

awesome system!!!it's one many would like to have!!

you'll definitly have to keep us posted once setup!!

zwalls

03-20-10, 09:31 PM

I'm a Dire Straits/Paradigm fan too. Love Over Gold is a good album to use for auditioning speakers. It has good dymanics (Telegraph Road), lots of interesting details (like the footsteps and bottle breaking in Private Investigations) & it uses a wide frequency range...espacially if it's the older noncompressed disc. Good luck with your search & decidsion.

I too am a dire straits fan.well produced music!one my favorit tracks is Ghost appear!another band I used to demo speakers with was steely dan!!before digital they had some of the best produced and recorded music.I think they used to record on a 24 track!not sure if I'm saying that just right!!I just know it sounded good!!

cant wait to listen to either on some new paradigms:D

lakebum431

03-20-10, 10:11 PM

Well, placed my order today on 2 Studio 60s and a CC 590 in Piano black. Dealer said he hopes to have it in on Friday! Can't wait. Thanks for all the help guys.

zwalls

03-20-10, 10:30 PM

Well, placed my order today on 2 Studio 60s and a CC 590 in Piano black. Dealer said he hopes to have it in on Friday! Can't wait. Thanks for all the help guys.

let us know once you've got em set up!!

519audiofan

03-20-10, 10:38 PM

Well, placed my order today on 2 Studio 60s and a CC 590 in Piano black. Dealer said he hopes to have it in on Friday! Can't wait. Thanks for all the help guys.

You'll have to post some pics

George Fire Eagl

03-20-10, 10:55 PM

Will do

Mattrix

03-21-10, 12:46 AM

You might find the yamaha avr too bright for the slightly bright monitors

4 Paradigm Monitor 11 Tower Speakers pair / Rosenut
Paradigm DSP 3200 Subwoofer / Rosenut
Paradigm CC-390 Center Channel Speaker / Rosenut
Paradigm ADP-390 Surround / rear speaker / each
Yamaha RX-V765:D
What ya all think?

I will be getting it around 4/3

rnrgagne

03-21-10, 01:41 AM

I'm a Dire Straits/Paradigm fan too. Love Over Gold is a good album to use for auditioning speakers. It has good dymanics (Telegraph Road), lots of interesting details (like the footsteps and bottle breaking in Private Investigations) & it uses a wide frequency range...espacially if it's the older noncompressed disc. Good luck with your search & decidsion.

One of my reference albums is the 20th anniversary SACD of Brothers In Arms.

But all of the Dire Straits and Knopfler stuff is well recorded. I really like Kill To Get Crimson.

mbfleming

03-21-10, 01:45 AM

The old surrounds never matched up with the S6's and this constantly annoyed me. I installed bass traps, wall treatments, and I ran Audyssey...and they all helped. But, there was always that timbre mismatch that drove me up the wall.

Finially, two week ago I purchased the ADP3's. All I can say is OMG..OMG..OMG :eek: :D. My system sounds phenomenal now. The ADP's match perfectly with my S6 fronts and C3 center speakers. Multichannel music sounds great. The matching surrounds have created an image and soundstage that is much more realistic.

I just got my ADP3's on Friday, and I found the same thing. The seamless blending with the front S8 speakers is awesome. I have frequently seen advice in this thread recommending not to buy the Signature ADP's in order to save money, and substitute less expensive surrounds or direct radiators instead, but I think following that advice is a mistake. For me the ADP3's were a good choice and I have zero regrets.

I just finished watching Pan's Labyrinth again, and it has scenes with thunder claps and explosions that originate from the rear channels first; they sounded so real it startled me. I have watched this movie before but I didn’t remember those effects. It was amazing.

The ADP3's have made an immediately obvious improvement to my system over the old B&W bookshelf speakers I was using before.

rnrgagne

03-21-10, 01:57 AM

I just got my ADP3's on Friday, and I found the same thing. The seamless blending with the front S8 speakers is awesome. I have frequently seen advice in this thread recommending not to buy the Signature ADP's in order to save money, and substitute less expensive surrounds or direct radiators instead, but I think following that advice that is a mistake.

I don't know that that advice is a mistake, it really depends on the room and placement options, and if you're using 5.1 or 7.1.

Having said that the ADP's definitely are exceptional.

cassnlogan

03-21-10, 09:43 AM

13ege

03-21-10, 10:37 AM

Here is my setup, comes from Turkey :D

http://www.srcelektronik.com/class/INNOVAEditor/assets/sistem4.jpg
Paradigm Studio 100v.5 , Paradigm CC-690 , 4x Paradigm ADP-590, Paradigm DSP 3400

I'm moving into a new house in few weeks, and these are the first ones to move to house to make a correct placement for speakers and may be an acoustic arrangement. I'll also replace my Onkyo 3007 with Anthem d2v + A5/A2. it can't drive my Studio100s in stereo mode because of it can't supply their power requirements and creates lack of bass problems. I'm also having problems in movies, I can't hear surround effects from listening position. There are some sounds coming from adp590s when I get close to them but they can't reach to actual listening position. These problems will probably get solved when a2 and a5 join the system, right?

I'm really excited about listening my speakers with Anthem.

dleithaus

03-21-10, 10:52 AM

Is that the 590 center channel on the stand?

Actually the center is a Martin Logan Encore TF.

I seem to have a long line of center channels that have gone by the waist side.... 15 years ago it started with the Paradigm CC-190 version ?? mated with my prior SE MK2 fronts. This early version of the CC-190 was muddy sounding and I was always straining to understand the words people were speaking, even when it was turned up well beyond where it should have been in the HT calibration.

Then I went to a Harmon Kardon center. It was better, but still not quite there. I bought a Yamaha NS-C225 based on a review I read that indicated a better high end for older ears. I liked the sound of the Yamaha--I was no longer straining to understand what people were saying. Admittedly, these were all lower end centers.

Just before I started my latest Paradigm upgrade, I listened to the Martin Logan center marked down from $499 to $199. I liked what I heard, and especially liked the thin film tweeter in the Encore.

I have had it for about 45 days now... and with the Studio 60 fronts and Studio 10 sides, I find the balance very nice in every listening mode. The high end is smoother than expected with the thin film tweeter, and the sound is up front and centered, probably contributing to higher clarity and sound stage presence. For my older ears the vocals are clean and clear-- the best center I have owned. Not to say I would not consider a Paradigm center at some point, but I need to rest in the upgraditis that I have!:eek:

Warpdrv

03-21-10, 11:21 AM

There are some sounds coming from adp590s when I get close to them but they can't reach to actual listening position. These problems will probably get solved when a2 and a5 join the system, right?

Not necessarily - by the looks of your room you have some boundary issues and placement in that tight room might cause cancellations... How about a pic of the rear of the room with seating and the ADP's showing. (Is this the new house or old?)

Have you adjusted your speaker levels with an SPL meter to make sure all your speakers are set to the same level of output... ? Maybe the level is not the same as the front 3...? Maybe something is obstructing the sound getting to the seats by the ADP's, Can't tell without more info or pics.

An amp is just a cleaner form of power then an AVR.... It will not fix any issues in setup or configuration, just give you more effortless (distortion free) power. If the levels aren't high enough set them higher in the level matching area for the surround speakers in the AVR.

519audiofan

03-21-10, 11:27 AM

I am planning on upgrading my Onkyo 607. Right now I am looking at the Onkyo 876, 807 and 1007. Also the Pioneer VSX21/9040 and the Yamaha 1900. For pure clean sound, I'm looking for inputs from anyone who can shed some experience on which one is the right one for the Studio 40's? I'm not really concerned with heat on the Onkyos as my AVR is on a shelf with nothing above it. So it is in an open area.

I have a pair of v4 Studio 40's and I power them with a Yamaha 3900. I have some 24 bit Studio Master flacs that sound absolutely incredible with this setup. As for HT, the 3900 provides plenty of punch as well.

Stylz25

03-21-10, 12:10 PM

You guys think the Onkyo 807 would be a good match/AVR for the Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 system or would you guys go with a different avr? Just curious as to opinions.....thx guys!

Anyone??

Jay5298

03-21-10, 12:46 PM

Warpdrv

03-21-10, 01:05 PM

George Fire Eagl

03-21-10, 02:13 PM

4 Paradigm Monitor 11 Tower Speakers pair / Rosenut
Paradigm DSP 3200 Subwoofer / Rosenut
Paradigm CC-390 Center Channel Speaker / Rosenut
Paradigm ADP-390 Surround / rear speaker / each
Yamaha RX-V765:D
What ya all think?

I will be getting it around 4/3

I do under stand that this reciver is not realy high powered but think it will drive the speakers? right now its driving some HTIAB speaker doing ok with them

robbbby

03-21-10, 02:40 PM

Hey guys, looking to do a bit of upgrading and new shopping and was looking for advice.

I have a old cc-370 v.2, worth the upgrade to the newest monitor cc-390?

Also have a pair of old titan v.2s as surrounds, worth the upgrade to monitor adp-390s?

And for my 2 channel room I am still undecided, I am definately going to spend some time listening to both, but just wanted to see how others felt about these 2 options

latest studio 100's or latest signature s6's?

Jay5298

03-21-10, 03:50 PM

If your looking to hit ref levels you really should invest in an amp...

AVR's just don't cut the mustard in terms of getting enough power to the speakers without running into clipping and distortion setting in at higher playback levels. Paradigm will not replace the speakers - they will replace the drivers, just talk to your dealer - you will probably have to bring them in, unless you can remove the drivers and take them to the dealer yourself....

Your speakers come with a 5 year warranty if purchased from an authorized dealer...

Okay, then the question is which amp should I get. I'm sure there are a million different answers to this question. I could get a Emotiva XPA-3 to drive the fronts and use the Onkyo to power the surrounds, but the Onkyo is what caused the problem in the first place, or it could of been the clip I used. I could get a UPA-7 for $100 more which would be 125w per channel x 7 and this would not use the Onkyo's amps at all. Do you think the UPA-7 would be sufficient? My room is 16ft wide by 25ft deep and 8ft high ceilings completely enclosed. I also am using to powered subs.

Warpdrv

03-21-10, 04:00 PM

Jay5298

03-21-10, 04:32 PM

Generally its a case of trying to drive too many channels at very generous levels where the ARV will start to become the issue... They are usually rated at ***w per channel with ONLY with 2 channels running... not all 5 or certainly not 7 channels...

So going with a 3 channel for the fronts and running the surrounds off the AVR will be a nice option and not have you wasting the amp in the receiver... Emotiva seem to have people pretty happy with their amps - or even a pro amp like the new Behringer amp with RCA inputs http://www.amazon.com/Behringer-EPX2000-Professional-Accelerated-Technology/dp/B002GHBZ40 (http://go.avsforum.com/?aid=5336055023&bid=3136390&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBehringer-EPX2000-Professional-Accelerated-Technology%2Fdp%2FB002GHBZ40)
8Ω / 20 Hz - 20 kHz @ 0.1% THD : 350 W per channel
4Ω / 20 Hz - 20 kHz @ 0.1% THD : 600 W

Thanks for the response. If I decide to get a three channel amp to run the fronts and use the Onkyo to drive the surrounds will there be a difference in sound quality between the fronts and surrounds and what if the speaker blows again. It would be nice to have one amp running all the speakers, I just don't know if 125w per channel is enough. I could always get another amp to run the surrounds if I get the XPA-3, I just didn't want to spend that much.

eric-t

03-21-10, 04:55 PM

lorjam

03-21-10, 04:57 PM

Bradfords has updated its Paradigm prices.

http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Here is a sample:

Studio Series v.5
Studio 10 $898/pr Medium Sized Bookshelf, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash
Studio 20 $1298/pr Medium Sized Bookshelf, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash
Studio 60 $2198/pr Floorstanding, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash
Studio 100 $3298/pr Floorstanding, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash
ADP-590 $749/ea Surround Speaker
CC-490 $799/ea Center Channel, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash
CC-590 $1199/ea Center Channel, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash
CC-690 $1599 Center Channel, Cherry, Rosenut, Blackash

My handy calculator tells me an increase of almost 9%, at least for the studio 10s. Bummer!:(

Warpdrv

03-21-10, 05:19 PM

f I decide to get a three channel amp to run the fronts and use the Onkyo to drive the surrounds will there be a difference in sound quality between the fronts and surrounds

No

and what if the speaker blows again.Don't worry yourself out about it...

It would be nice to have one amp running all the speakers, I just don't know if 125w per channel is enough. I could always get another amp to run the surrounds if I get the XPA-3, I just didn't want to spend that much.Yes but thats more money - if your really that worried about it - get the 5 channel amps... The Front 3 is the most important, surround duty has much less material and doesn't require as much amp power....

Once you have your fronts powered properly that is all the less amount of power draining the internal amp on the reciever which will be more adequate amount of power for the 2 surrounds...

13ege

03-21-10, 06:21 PM

Not necessarily - by the looks of your room you have some boundary issues and placement in that tight room might cause cancellations... How about a pic of the rear of the room with seating and the ADP's showing. (Is this the new house or old?)

Have you adjusted your speaker levels with an SPL meter to make sure all your speakers are set to the same level of output... ? Maybe the level is not the same as the front 3...? Maybe something is obstructing the sound getting to the seats by the ADP's, Can't tell without more info or pics.

An amp is just a cleaner form of power then an AVR.... It will not fix any issues in setup or configuration, just give you more effortless (distortion free) power. If the levels aren't high enough set them higher in the level matching area for the surround speakers in the AVR.

Thanks.

It's not fixed even after Audyseey, effects get hearable after adding 7-8db to surround channels but this also cause very loud soundtracks. There isn't any obstacles between listening position and surrounds but still seems like they even don't exist and the room isn't tight, there is plenty of space actually. This could be the cause of the problem too. Or may be the front 3 draw too much power. Will upload the photo tomorrow.

zwalls

03-21-10, 07:00 PM

My handy calculator tells me an increase of almost 9%, at least for the studio 10s. Bummer!:(

this is a bummer:( I'm trying to get my order in before the 1st.not sure if I can make it!!

ayrton

03-21-10, 07:48 PM

Thanks.

It's not fixed even after Audyseey, effects get hearable after adding 7-8db to surround channels but this also cause very loud soundtracks. There isn't any obstacles between listening position and surrounds but still seems like they even don't exist and the room isn't tight, there is plenty of space actually. This could be the cause of the problem too. Or may be the front 3 draw too much power. Will upload the photo tomorrow.

What are your "speaker level" settings in setup of your AVR?

I have a very similar system with ADP 590s and I can hear them fine using the AVR reference test tones. I also use a SPL meter to make sure levels are = at the primary listening position. (My chair) The SPL meter is a sure way to make sure all is well. (As someone mentioned above)

FYI: Love your setup. Please post pics with the new stuff and Anthem.

mjpearce023

03-21-10, 08:32 PM

I finally got my studio 20s v3. They are by far the best speakers I have ever owned. They sound great. I feel like my denon 1508 is a little underpowered for them but I will definitely be getting a new receiver soon enough. Here are some pics of my new babies. One of them have a small dent in the tweeter that I didn't see at the store so I will have to get a new tweeter. It doesn't effect the sound but I paid to much for some demos to have a dent.
http:/http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/mjpearce023/f81ccc61.jpg
http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/mjpearce023/59b069d8.jpg

13ege

03-21-10, 08:48 PM

What are your "speaker level" settings in setup of your AVR?

I have a very similar system with ADP 590s and I can hear them fine using the AVR reference test tones. I also use a SPL meter to make sure levels are = at the primary listening position. (My chair) The SPL meter is a sure way to make sure all is well. (As someone mentioned above)

FYI: Love your setup. Please post pics with the new stuff and Anthem.

They are all the same now, at 0db, just made a factory reset. But after Audyseey it usually sets surrounds to -4db. I can also hear them fine while making level calibration but in movies they get disappeared. I didn't hear any sounds when watching Inside Man today, from beginning to end. :(

I'll surely post pics of my new living room with Paradigm&Anthem. :)

Stylz25

03-21-10, 08:53 PM

You guys think the Onkyo 807 would be a good match/AVR for the Paradigm Monitor 11 5.1 system or would you guys go with a different avr? Just curious as to opinions.....thx guys!

Anyone? And would you guys recommend having 2 subs??

unavol

03-21-10, 10:05 PM

One of my reference albums is the 20th anniversary SACD of Brothers In Arms.

But all of the Dire Straits and Knopfler stuff is well recorded. I really like Kill To Get Crimson.

I had a real "wow" moment the first time I listened to the Brothers In Arms SACD. It was my first SACD & I heard things I'd never heard before on an album that I had been listening to for 20+ years. The Sailing To Philadelphia DVD-A is also pretty good. Speedway At Nazareth rocks! I got to see Knopfler on the KTGC tour and he may be getting older, but he can still play.

Santapimp27

03-21-10, 10:11 PM

Anyone? And would you guys recommend having 2 subs??

its all preference, but the 807 is a great receiver and should work great with the paradigms

Bigred7078

03-22-10, 12:17 AM

They are all the same now, at 0db, just made a factory reset. But after Audyseey it usually sets surrounds to -4db. I can also hear them fine while making level calibration but in movies they get disappeared. I didn't hear any sounds when watching Inside Man today, from beginning to end. :(

I'll surely post pics of my new living room with Paradigm&Anthem. :)

Don't take this is in the wrong way, but do you know how to use your system? Like are you familiar with how everything is actually supposed to be set up, know what the different sound modes are, etc.? I find most people think they know what they are doing, but in reality don't have a clue and they never actually set up their system properly.

Some people just have to high of expectations with their surrounds and they expect them to be belting out sound at all times at loud volume levels. Some movies audio tracks just are not mastered for a fully enveloping surround sound so your experience will vary from movie to movie. Try something like Kung Fu Panda and the Tai Lung escape scene.

Lastly, you really need to make sure and use an SPL meter to make sure all your speakers are properly level matched. Audyssey is great, but always double check it! Receivers can actually be pretty complex so don't be afraid to ask questions :)

Edllguy

03-22-10, 12:30 AM

What would you guys recommend?

Monitor 7's and CC-290

Monitor 9's and CC-290

I am running dual subs and an Emo XPA-3 will power the fronts. I'm just wondering if the $200 difference is worth it for the 9's. This setup is used for 100% movies and TV.

I've demoed both of the above set ups. Go with the M9's and CC-290. Big difference IMO. The M9's will satisfy you for a long time.

I have no regrets.

emptychair

03-22-10, 01:07 AM

Hi Guys,

I purchased a set of Paradigms about a year ago, but just recently set them up in my theater. I have Studio 60's, CC-590, and ADP-590's x 4 (V4). I downloaded some trailers form Demoworld.eu and one of them was the THX amazing life scene. At the beginning the horns start to play and the high pitch sound made a screeching sound on two of my surrounds and my left midrange or tweeter is blown. I have an Onkyo TX-NR 3007 driving the system. I only had it turned up to about -5db. All of my speakers are set to 80hz on the Onkyo. I hope Paradigm will replace the speaker. I am just wondering why this happened. Everything else I have played on them has been fine. I know an amp would probably provide cleaner sound, but I figured the Onkyo would be fine.

Thanks

Jay, the screeching sound is supposed to be in that particular trailer; the screeching only comes from the surround speakers and to a lesser extent the front left speaker. I had a friend who heard the exact same as you and thought their speakers were damaged, but further testing proved that they were not.

Here's what you can try:

1. Play the trailer again at a low volume and you will still hear the screeching, so now you know you are not pushing your Onkyo too hard.

2. Disconnect all speakers except one of your surrounds (which had the screeching) and playback at low volume. You will still hear the screeching, which further confirms that the Onkyo is not being pushed too hard.

3. Connect any speaker you feel is undamaged (ie. no screeching) to the surround channel(s) in question (ie. in place of a speaker that had screeching) and playback at low volume and you will indeed hear the screeching, which shows that the source of the screeching is the audio track itself, not the speaker.

4. Connect any speaker you feel is damaged (ie. had screeching) to the front right or centre channel (or any channel that did not have screeching) and playback at high volume, and you will not hear any screeching, indicating that the speaker itself is OK.

5. Playback any other material (THX trailer, movie clip, music, whatever) at high volume and you will not hear any issues, which would further indicate that your speakers are OK.

In summary, you will get the screeching only with the THX Amazing Life trailer. You will not get the screeching listening to anything else. Furthermore, during the THX Amazing Life trailer, you will only get the screeching from certain channels, regardless of volume level or which speakers you may have connected to those channels.

13ege

03-22-10, 05:16 AM

Don't take this is in the wrong way, but do you know how to use your system? Like are you familiar with how everything is actually supposed to be set up, know what the different sound modes are, etc.? I find most people think they know what they are doing, but in reality don't have a clue and they never actually set up their system properly.

Some people just have to high of expectations with their surrounds and they expect them to be belting out sound at all times at loud volume levels. Some movies audio tracks just are not mastered for a fully enveloping surround sound so your experience will vary from movie to movie. Try something like Kung Fu Panda and the Tai Lung escape scene.

Lastly, you really need to make sure and use an SPL meter to make sure all your speakers are properly level matched. Audyssey is great, but always double check it! Receivers can actually be pretty complex so don't be afraid to ask questions :)

Yes, I know plenty about setup and sound modes etc. This problem is very interesting, I don't have a certain idea about what is the cause.

And yes I have high expectations from surrounds and i want to hear them, thats why people buy a 7.1 setup right :) i guess The reason of the problem is the source and bad placement of speakers, last night while watching Norah Jones concert(ac3) the claps from the audition were hearable enough. But it's still weird to not even hear a noise in Inside Man.

Kai Winters

03-22-10, 06:13 AM

Monitor 9's and the cc290.

JHAz

03-22-10, 08:04 AM

Yes, I know plenty about setup and sound modes etc. This problem is very interesting, I don't have a certain idea about what is the cause.

And yes I have high expectations from surrounds and i want to hear them, thats why people buy a 7.1 setup right :) i guess The reason of the problem is the source and bad placement of speakers, last night while watching Norah Jones concert(ac3) the claps from the audition were hearable enough. But it's still weird to not even hear a noise in Inside Man.

If you have set your speakers up so that all output equal levels, as heard at the listening position, with an equal test signal, then whether you hear the surrounnds or not is basically up to the program material. If your AVR does not have something like Audyssey's Dynamic EQ, and if you listen to movies below reference, then your surrounds may in effect be too quiet at least some of the time. As I understand it, for whatever reason, when we turn down from reference, the surrounds get less audible faster than the front stage. Probably in part at least due to the fact that the levels in the surrounds are usually lower than those in the mains, even when surrounds are active.

So if you listen quieter than reference levels, there would be nothing theoretically wrong with compensating by bumping the surrounds usp a bit. Actually since its your system you can set it however you wish, anyway.

But if you haven't tried it, an additional test would be to listen to a passage with surrounds on, quickly reconfigure to turn the surrounds off, then re listen to the same passage. Even if you did not "hear" the surrounds you may notice their absence immediately. This would mean that you are indeed hearing the surround content, but that it is subtly adding space to the sound, not causing the individual surround speakers to yell "hey, look at me."
And it would mean you are indeed hearing the surrounds.

unavol

03-22-10, 09:38 AM

eric-t

03-22-10, 09:54 AM

I've demoed both of the above set ups. Go with the M9's and CC-290. Big difference IMO. The M9's will satisfy you for a long time.

I have no regrets.

Thank you for your input as I think I will get the 9's and cc290.

Monitor 9's and the cc290.

Your setup looks great. Also is $998 for the 9's and $520 for the cc290 on par?

mjpearce023

03-22-10, 10:39 AM

ayrton

03-22-10, 11:29 AM

Yea that seems kinda off strange. I thought Inside Man sounded great. At the opening credits when that song is playing with the talli teha teha teha sounded great. I could really hear the surrounds on that part. I do have to turn mine up or down sometimes depending on the movie. 2012 was a little to much surround so I brought them from +1.5 to 0. I would say to try out Dark Knight and if there is nothing in the surrounds then you definitely have a problem.

I'll agree with the "Dark Knight" test. Excellent dynamic sound all over.

mj, How big is your room and how far from your prime listening area are your surrounds? My right is 11' from my seat and is set at -1.5 for 0 db reference.

KK in CT

03-22-10, 11:38 AM

Thank you for your input as I think I will get the 9's and cc290.

Your setup looks great. Also is $998 for the 9's and $520 for the cc290 on par?

Eric-t - I think you'll be very happy with that combo. I just picked up the same combo myself a few weeks ago. I'm still amazed everytime I listen to something for the first time with them. And I know you have an A2-300 as well, which I find blends really nice with them. That price you were quoted is list I believe, which is a bit higher than I think most end up paying.

Anyway, I went into the dealer convinced I wanted the 7's, then heard the 9's vs. the 7's and my choice was easy.

rnrgagne

03-22-10, 11:43 AM

Okay, then the question is which amp should I get. I'm sure there are a million different answers to this question. I could get a Emotiva XPA-3 to drive the fronts and use the Onkyo to power the surrounds, but the Onkyo is what caused the problem in the first place, or it could of been the clip I used. I could get a UPA-7 for $100 more which would be 125w per channel x 7 and this would not use the Onkyo's amps at all. Do you think the UPA-7 would be sufficient? My room is 16ft wide by 25ft deep and 8ft high ceilings completely enclosed. I also am using to powered subs.

If the Onkyo is THX Ultra2 certified it should be able to handle just about anything you throw at it in a normal room. It's not unsual to have defective drivers from time to time, it's not automatic that they blow due to lack of power. I'd be surpirsed if that were the case here, especially since it's a crossed-over ADP on a surround channel you blew.
If you enjoyed the sound of the Onkyo at the levels you listen to before the driver blew, just get the speaker repaired. Talk to Paradigm and tell them what you're powering them with and see what they say.

eric-t

03-22-10, 11:47 AM

Eric-t - I think you'll be very happy with that combo. I just picked up the same combo myself a few weeks ago. I'm still amazed everytime I listen to something for the first time with them. And I know you have an A2-300 as well, which I find blends really nice with them. That price you were quoted is list I believe, which is a bit higher than I think most end up paying.
Anyway, I went into the dealer convinced I wanted the 7's, then heard the 9's vs. the 7's and my choice was easy.

Since you can only buy from a dealer how to most of you get the price lower?

mbfleming

03-22-10, 12:14 PM

jacksonian

03-22-10, 12:40 PM

eric-t

03-22-10, 01:18 PM

the_phew

03-22-10, 02:34 PM

Since you have only one dealer to buy from, the only bargaining power you have is to not buy Paradigm. You have to be willing to consider other brands of speakers and let them know it. If they know you will only buy Paradigm, they will keep their price high.

When you buy a Chevy, there is no rule that you have to buy from your nearest Chevy dealer, so why do you assume you can only shop for speakers from your nearest Paradigm dealer? They can't advertise outside of their local region, but if you call up any Paradigm dealer in the U.S., they will sell you new speakers with a full warranty and ship them to you.

Place a WTB ad on Audiogon with what you are willing to pay, and I bet dozens of authorized Paradigm dealers will reply to you within a week.

weissja22

03-22-10, 02:56 PM

Good point. I did call them and they offered me $1250 for the M9's and CC-290.

I got my cc290 for $425 and M9s for $850. I also added a DSP-3400 sub and Atoms for the rears and for the money I couldn't be happier. I definitely caught the bug and cant wait to upgrade one day but every time i hear my system play i am totally impressed. BTW, it's really the sub that makes many movie experiences come to life - i really like war/action movies!

rnrgagne

03-22-10, 03:10 PM

Need help.

I have a pair of Paradigm Signature Sub 25s on the way to replace my JL Fathom f113. I'm currently running Monitor Audio GSLCRs across my front 3. I'd like to go with an all-Paradigm setup.

I can get some discontinued (but new) S4 v2s probably at about the same price as I can get new S2 v3s.

If I'm going to cross over at 80hz, is there any reason to go with the S4 over the S2 or vice versa? I was thinking that the S4 would give me more oomph in the middle and give me a fuller sound than the S2. But is that really even going to be noticeable with the crossover? I could use the 100hz crossover also and put both subs in the front of the room just outside the L/R mains to prevent localization.

You should buy some S8's, if you're anything like me that's where you'll end up. ;)

jacksonian

03-22-10, 03:24 PM

You should buy some S8's, if you're anything like me that's where you'll end up. ;)
That sounds just like me. I LOVE the S8s. But I'd have to run them for 2 channel audio because I'd be wasting them in the HT with the Sub 25s.

mjpearce023

03-22-10, 03:37 PM

I'll agree with the "Dark Knight" test. Excellent dynamic sound all over.

mj, How big is your room and how far from your prime listening area are your surrounds? My right is 11' from my seat and is set at -1.5 for 0 db reference.

My room is not big at all. 13 x 11. I have the surrounds about 5 feet away. I dont have a new receiver so I dont have audessy or anything cool (Denon 1508). I have the surrounds at the ceiling though. They are about 4 feet above my listening postition so thats probably why I have to turn them up more. I dont have them angled down toward me either. Not perfect I know but trying to get those big minimonitors above my door was not easy at all.
Heres a pic.
http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/mjpearce023/259ed894-1.jpg

jacksonian

03-22-10, 03:41 PM

Need help.

I have a pair of Paradigm Signature Sub 25s on the way to replace my JL Fathom f113. I'm currently running Monitor Audio GSLCRs across my front 3. I'd like to go with an all-Paradigm setup.

I can get some discontinued (but new) S4 v2s probably at about the same price as I can get new S2 v3s.

If I'm going to cross over at 80hz, is there any reason to go with the S4 over the S2 or vice versa? I was thinking that the S4 would give me more oomph in the middle and give me a fuller sound than the S2. But is that really even going to be noticeable with the crossover? I could use the 100hz crossover also and put both subs in the front of the room just outside the L/R mains to prevent localization.
Anybody possibly have any experience with an S2 vs. S4 with an 80hz crossover to some great subs? Just can't audition them side by side now. Don't know if the cobalt infused aluminum cone 7" driver on the S2 going all the way down to the 80hz would sound any different than the S4 that crosses over at 400hz to the mineral filled polypropylene 7" driver for that range.

Kai Winters

03-22-10, 03:45 PM

Good point. I did call them and they offered me $1250 for the M9's and CC-290.

That is a better price and I'd bite on it.
I paid a bit over $300 for my 290 several years ago and I got the 11's for a killer deal.

KK in CT

03-22-10, 04:01 PM

That is a better price and I'd bite on it.
I paid a bit over $300 for my 290 several years ago and I got the 11's for a killer deal.

I agree. That's about the best price I was quoted from my local dealer as well. And from what I read in previous posts the price goes up very soon per Paradigm.

rnrgagne

03-22-10, 04:02 PM

That sounds just like me. I LOVE the S8s. But I'd have to run them for 2 channel audio because I'd be wasting them in the HT with the Sub 25s.

I use them for a dual purpose role - they can adapt! :D

eric-t

03-22-10, 06:01 PM

I agree. That's about the best price I was quoted from my local dealer as well. And from what I read in previous posts the price goes up very soon per Paradigm.

What is very soon?

Need4spdnb

03-22-10, 06:33 PM

What is very soon?

Very soon is April 1st.

Kimwyn

03-22-10, 07:01 PM

hey is this a decent SPL meter to use to level my system??

http://cgi.ebay.com/Boom-Stick-SPL1000-Digital-SPL-Stereo-Sound-Level-Meter_W0QQitemZ350330259652QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDoma in_0?hash=item51914f88c4

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-Digital-Sound-pressure-Level-SPL-Meter-AR824_W0QQitemZ260517789093QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDoma in_0?hash=item3ca811fda5

eric-t

03-22-10, 07:03 PM

Very soon is April 1st.

Does this effect the whole line? Does anyone have an idea what the increase will be for the M9's and CC-290?

rnrgagne

03-22-10, 07:10 PM

ayrton

03-22-10, 07:39 PM

My room is not big at all. 13 x 11. I have the surrounds about 5 feet away. I dont have a new receiver so I dont have audessy or anything cool (Denon 1508). I have the surrounds at the ceiling though. They are about 4 feet above my listening postition so thats probably why I have to turn them up more. I dont have them angled down toward me either. Not perfect I know but trying to get those big minimonitors above my door was not easy at all.
Heres a pic.
http://i1023.photobucket.com/albums/af352/mjpearce023/259ed894-1.jpg

Thanks mj, I thought you had ADP 590s so things would be different with yours.

Jay5298

03-22-10, 07:49 PM

Jay, the screeching sound is supposed to be in that particular trailer; the screeching only comes from the surround speakers and to a lesser extent the front left speaker. I had a friend who heard the exact same as you and thought their speakers were damaged, but further testing proved that they were not.

Here's what you can try:

1. Play the trailer again at a low volume and you will still hear the screeching, so now you know you are not pushing your Onkyo too hard.

2. Disconnect all speakers except one of your surrounds (which had the screeching) and playback at low volume. You will still hear the screeching, which further confirms that the Onkyo is not being pushed too hard.

3. Connect any speaker you feel is undamaged (ie. no screeching) to the surround channel(s) in question (ie. in place of a speaker that had screeching) and playback at low volume and you will indeed hear the screeching, which shows that the source of the screeching is the audio track itself, not the speaker.

4. Connect any speaker you feel is damaged (ie. had screeching) to the front right or centre channel (or any channel that did not have screeching) and playback at high volume, and you will not hear any screeching, indicating that the speaker itself is OK.

5. Playback any other material (THX trailer, movie clip, music, whatever) at high volume and you will not hear any issues, which would further indicate that your speakers are OK.

In summary, you will get the screeching only with the THX Amazing Life trailer. You will not get the screeching listening to anything else. Furthermore, during the THX Amazing Life trailer, you will only get the screeching from certain channels, regardless of volume level or which speakers you may have connected to those channels.

I actually heard the screeching noise on the rt surround channel as well. The left ADP-590 is definitely blown, but it is only the midrange/tweeter on the rt side of the dipole, the left side is fine. I played another clip with music in it and it had some piano notes and the dipole sounded like crap. I like playing that clip because it sounds good and looks good as well, I'm just afraid to turn it up again. My dealer ordered me a new driver, so it should be here soon, don't know how long it will take to get here though. I think I'm going to order an XPA-3 anyway. I wanted to order one when I set up the system, but wanted to hear what it sounded like first. Music and movies sound great with the Onkyo, But I wonder how much better they would sound with an amp running the front channels. Like you said I will still hear the screeching sound even if I had an amp, it's just the clip itself. I'm just worried about blowing another speaker with that clip again. I think adding an amp to the front channels would allow the Onkyo to play the four surrounds easier and maybe not cause this problem again, what do you think?

13ege

03-22-10, 08:40 PM

mbfleming

03-22-10, 09:25 PM

When you buy a Chevy, there is no rule that you have to buy from your nearest Chevy dealer, so why do you assume you can only shop for speakers from your nearest Paradigm dealer? They can't advertise outside of their local region, but if you call up any Paradigm dealer in the U.S., they will sell you new speakers with a full warranty and ship them to you.

Place a WTB ad on Audiogon with what you are willing to pay, and I bet dozens of authorized Paradigm dealers will reply to you within a week.

Here is what the only dealer (http://generalaudio.ca/products) in my city has on their website:

*We are authorized to sell Paradigm® and Paradigm® Reference in our local market only. If you are within our local area, please call us for information. If you are outside our area, please visit the official Paradigm web site for the name of your nearest dealer.

mbfleming

03-22-10, 09:34 PM

I thought I would share some photos of my S8 and ADP3 speakers, showing some details not seen anywhere else.

http://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/S8frontview.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/S8topview.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/S8Terminals.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/S8plaque.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/S8grill.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/ADP3drivers.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/ADP3metal.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/ADP3tweeter.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/ADP3grill.jpghttp://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/ADP3grillwoofer.jpg

jacksonian

03-22-10, 09:36 PM

scoobygt68

03-22-10, 09:38 PM

Im double posting as Ive already psted the same ? in the Paradigm Sig V3 forum, but I need a quick answer. I am considering beginning a costly upgrade from my all paradigm 100v2/690v4 system to a paradigm signature system. Im going to start with the purchase of the C5..... is it really worth all of the money to upgrade from the studio line to the signature line. Since Im only buying the C5 in the immediate future im very curioues on anyones whos heard/owned both a Paradigm 690 and Paradigm Sig C5.

13ege

03-22-10, 09:43 PM

OMG, they are beautiful. Never listened them before but i'm sure they sound great as their look.

mbfleming

03-22-10, 09:47 PM

Gorgeous photos! Did you take those yourself? I hope you're a pro photographer. If not, you should be.

Did someone put you up to that since I'm mulling buying a set of S8s right now? Those pics should be labeled NSFW!

Nope, total amateur. I rented a camera lens on my way home from work tonight. Anything you want to see naked? My speakers do requests, but I don't have the live web cam set up yet.

jacksonian

03-22-10, 09:51 PM

Nope, total amateur. I rented a camera lens on my way home from work tonight. Anything you want to see naked? My speakers do requests, but I don't have the live web cam set up yet.
Wow, I'm jealous, you've got some talent. That shot of the binding posts is really cool.

miltimj

03-22-10, 10:04 PM

Large F-stop (open lenses) = shallow depth of field = the type of pics he took

emptychair

03-22-10, 10:04 PM

I actually heard the screeching noise on the rt surround channel as well. The left ADP-590 is definitely blown, but it is only the midrange/tweeter on the rt side of the dipole, the left side is fine. I played another clip with music in it and it had some piano notes and the dipole sounded like crap. I like playing that clip because it sounds good and looks good as well, I'm just afraid to turn it up again. My dealer ordered me a new driver, so it should be here soon, don't know how long it will take to get here though. I think I'm going to order an XPA-3 anyway. I wanted to order one when I set up the system, but wanted to hear what it sounded like first. Music and movies sound great with the Onkyo, But I wonder how much better they would sound with an amp running the front channels. Like you said I will still hear the screeching sound even if I had an amp, it's just the clip itself. I'm just worried about blowing another speaker with that clip again. I think adding an amp to the front channels would allow the Onkyo to play the four surrounds easier and maybe not cause this problem again, what do you think?

When I tested that trailer, the screeching came primarily from left & right side surrounds as well as left & right back surrounds.

Wow, you must have been playing REALLY loud then. An external amp will help if you do plan on playing that loud again. The Onkyo *should* be OK handling your surrounds, but the ADP-590's are only 88dB sensitivity I think. How many surrounds do you have and how far away from the listening position are they?

emptychair

03-22-10, 10:05 PM

Sweet pics mbfleming :)

ace27

03-22-10, 10:48 PM

Very, Very nice pics of the Sigs!!!!!!

Fanaticalism

03-22-10, 10:55 PM

How about some pics of the speakers from afar, from the side and from the back (full view)?

Thanks!

Jay5298

03-22-10, 10:57 PM

When I tested that trailer, the screeching came primarily from left & right side surrounds as well as left & right back surrounds.

Wow, you must have been playing REALLY loud then. An external amp will help if you do plan on playing that loud again. The Onkyo *should* be OK handling your surrounds, but the ADP-590's are only 88dB sensitivity I think. How many surrounds do you have and how far away from the listening position are they?

I have 4 ADP 590 surrounds. I have two rows of four recliners. the first row the side surrounds are about 8 to 9 ft from the primary listening position. the back surrounds are probably about the same (from the primary listening position). My room is 16.5 ft wide by 25 ft deep. I was only playing it at -5db which according to the Onkyo manual is 5db less than reference level, 0 being reference. You are correct about the "screeching" noise coming from all the surrounds, I only noticed it mostly from the speaker that blew.

nelson57

03-22-10, 11:06 PM

Great pics mbfleming, seeing pictures of owners setups is one of the things I love about this thread.

mbfleming

03-22-10, 11:11 PM

How about some pics of the speakers from afar, from the side and from the back (full view)?

Thanks!

I'll take some more after I get my C5. It's too dark right now, and I don't have enough flash. I did take this back view but I didn't like it:

http://70.75.2.101/ParadigmS8/s8backview.jpg

boyce89976

03-22-10, 11:40 PM

Just got a used pair of 100 v.5's and a cc690 v.5. Have been looking at these for a while and had settled on the 100's over the 60's due to the size of my room. Holy Crap, these things are amazing! I was a little worried my SC25 would be a little short on power, and I do notice the efficiency difference from my old speakers (the 100s are about 3db down in efficiency) in the volume level being at -20 for movies now, vs -22 before for the same SPL, but the sounds is so much better. At some point I'll upgrade my rears to either 10's or 20's, but for now, I'm enjoying my 100's and 690 more than I ever expected! Thanks to everyone on this site for all of the advice... What a great community this is!

grasshoppers

03-22-10, 11:50 PM

I decided to make the BIG jump to the Signature series.
I am moving up from my trusty Monitors 11's.
Got a good deal on a pair of V-2's in birds eye maple.
They should be here tomorrow. I feel a "cold" coming on,
so I think I should take the day off;);)

My new Rythmik sub came in tonight.Everything should be up and
Running this time tomorrow night. Looking forward to some 2.1
sonic bliss!

emptychair

03-23-10, 01:23 AM

I have 4 ADP 590 surrounds. I have two rows of four recliners. the first row the side surrounds are about 8 to 9 ft from the primary listening position. the back surrounds are probably about the same (from the primary listening position). My room is 16.5 ft wide by 25 ft deep. I was only playing it at -5db which according to the Onkyo manual is 5db less than reference level, 0 being reference. You are correct about the "screeching" noise coming from all the surrounds, I only noticed it mostly from the speaker that blew.

You should be OK with your Onkyo (NR3007?) powering all four ADP's and nothing else, but I don't know what the real world output is (rated 140W?). Taking the LCR speakers off the Onkyo and moving them onto an external amp should allow you to play the THX Amazing Life trailer at -5db without damaging anything.

dryeye

03-23-10, 08:49 AM

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nk1953.jpg

here is a photo for surrounds. This is an old one, the couch and the rear surrounds are now centered between walls. I think the main problem is; sounds get lost in this big space, there isn't any obstacles to reflect the sound.

After seeing a picture of your setup I'd strongly agree, most of the sound from your surrounds isn't being reflected enough due to it being thrown into "free space". Perhaps you'd be better off with small direct radiators in that room. Studio 10's would be my 1st choice assuming the 20's were too large.Perhaps your dealer has some or similarly sized models he is willing to let you take home and try?

Another idea might be to try and mount the side ADP's higher up near the ceiling. From the pic it appears you might have just enough room although this will definately emphasize the lower midrange. You might be surprized by the results and it shouldn't cost anything more than some time.

You mention the rears are now centered between the walls. Do you mean on the far rear wall or between the side walls? I would definately try the rears on that back wall vs where they are now. Again you have nothing to lose and will gain experience. I'm sure you can find a suitable solution in that room.

lounjus

03-23-10, 09:30 AM

Wow, mb, nice photos...macro lens?

So I was just wondering what amplifiers Paradigm owners use for their speakers. I have a new pair of S4 v.2 coming and I will need to mate them with an amp and pre/pro for 98% HT use. (The S4s will be my two fronts.)

I am familiar with the Marantz SR7000 & NAD M15/ M25.

Im thinking of using a stereo amp for the S4s and purchasing another amp for the rear channels. I can get a Bryston 4B ST for a good price, but i was told not to mate it with the S4s as it will be "too forward".

Any S4 owners have suggestions for Amps and Pre/pros?

(should I just keep it simple and get a 5 or 7 ch. amp? just figuring i should put more dollars to work in the front than in the back.)

Also, do you guys think the C5 will be overkill in this S4 setup? (hard to find the C3 v.2 now)

thanks for your input!

Geek From NJ

03-23-10, 09:34 AM

Just a friendly heads up... My dad bought the HSU VTF1 sub to go with his m7's, cc190, adp 190's in a 14x14x 8 ft room with one opening the size of a door. It sounds awesome... This HSU sub really makes everything shine.

I am very jealous that his HSU VTF1 sounds better then my Ultracube12. I assume its because my room is 3x's the size and very open? It's so depressing that he spent have the money and his sub sounds better. Even on HT with it only going down to 25hz it just kicks so much ass.

I love the way his monitor 7's sound, I have only Atoms in the front with the rest being the same. What I could afford... It's load enough for me and I am in a townhouse.

So do you think that overall my sub would sound better in his small room? Is it just the room size that makes my sub sound less impressive?

And when you move up to the SE's, the step up models is it that much better. Because to me it sounds awesome. Granted I havent listed to higher end Paradigm speakers.

So to make me feel better - Is my Ultracube 12 a better sub than my dads HSU VTF1? Like if I bring it over it should spank his HSU I would assume? Just curious on your thoughts. Thanks, Mike

oztech

03-23-10, 09:56 AM

unavol

03-23-10, 10:04 AM

Remove all doubt and do an a/b test at your place and his with both subs to
determine if its solely the sub or the room size ,shape and furnishings.

I agree with oztech. Once you've compared them, if you like the HSU better you can always sell your Ultracube12 and get a HSU. Then you can pocket the cash or do like the rest of us would & use it to buy more gear. ;)

13ege

03-23-10, 10:14 AM

If I'd stay at this house I would try to mount rears and sides as you said but since I'll be moving into a new one, it's unnecessary. May be you can't notice because of the photo but the rear wall is actually very far away from listening position like 18-20ft.

The couch and rears are centered between side walls. I also thought about changing adp's but I didn't want to spend my money for these and decided to change the house instead :D:D

In fact, I'm sure that these adp's will do their best if they placed on correct positions in the new house and driven by Anthems.

jstwoca

03-23-10, 10:16 AM

I had an Ultracube 12 paired with Studio 60v5's in a 2200 cubic foot room. I always thought it sounded good until last night when I brought my new Sub 12 home. I haven't stopped grinning since. The Ultracube just couldn't keep up with the 60's. The new Sub 12 just seems to be idling along without even breaking much of a sweat.

mjpearce023

03-23-10, 10:22 AM

Last night I listened to some Michael Jackson on my Studio 20's and man it sounded better than ever. I couldnt believe how good it sounded. I love these speakers. I have to wait a couple months and then I will get a new receiver and then I will try to find a v3 cc470 or cc570. I cant wait. Studios are the real deal. There is no going back now. Thanks to everybody in the forum for putting up reveiws and giving me advice. I never thought I would spend that much on some bookshelf speakers but Im glad I did. Paradigm RULES!!!!!!!

osofast240sx

03-23-10, 11:10 AM

I never thought I would spend that much on some bookshelf speakers but Im glad I did. Paradigm RULES!!!!!!!how much did you spend? i saw a pair at 6ave for 599 ea.

Kimwyn

03-23-10, 11:17 AM

if you say Studios are the real deal what would you think about the Signatures???? :D

dzruna

03-23-10, 12:46 PM

mjpearce023

03-23-10, 01:37 PM

osofast240sx. I didnt get them new. I got floor model of the v3s. That was the only way I could afford them. I know thats not much to people who have the sigs or the studio 100s but Im not ballin like that. I only got 20% off msrp but it was that or nothing. I dont like my dealer anymore so I dont know where I will get my next paradigms. Im in Arkansas so the choices of dealers is very limited.

Kimwyn. I hope I never see the signatures in person. If I do my plan is to turn around and walk away quickly. If I dont, I might have to get a 2nd and 3rd job. I dont have sig money even used. They are beautiful to look at but I hope I dont ever get a chance to listen to them. I dont want to be spoiled. Right now I can say I own about the best speakers I have heard. I dont want to mess that up. I thought the monitors were great but I made the mistake of listening to the studios at my dealer. The monitors never sounded the same. Im sure that would be the case with sigs too. So the studios are the real deal. The sigs are a mythical creature. Something I will read about but never see in person (hopefully).

mjpearce023

03-23-10, 01:41 PM

I currently have Monitor 9s, a CC290 and ADP190s powered by a Yamaha 2700. I am going to upgrade the ADP190s to ADP390s and use the 190s for rears in a 7.1 setup.

The question I have is, is there a significant difference between ADP390 version 5 and version 6. My current speakers are all version 5 and the 390s I'm looking at are version 6. Will this be an issue? Thanks!

The last big change in the monitors was v4 to v5. The v6 will be fine with v5 i just wouldnt go any lower than that. I had v3 fronts and a v4 center with v6 surrounds and had no problems.

osofast240sx

03-23-10, 01:43 PM

Rod#S

03-23-10, 01:47 PM

Has any one been able to compare the Paradigm C5 v3 to the B&W HTM2D or new HTM2Di and if so what were your impressions? Strengths, weaknesses of both.

I have been in the gray zone between these 2 manufacturers trying to decide which I would prefer to go with if I were to upgrade my system. I can not audition either as my dealer does not stock them.

Of all the purchases I have made over the years this is turning out to be the hardest. Typically I can make up my mind on what I want with little effort but choosing between a Paradigm Signature or B&W 800 Diamond system is killing me.

My primary use will be home theater (movies, games) followed by music however I listen to all music via my full surround system using Logic 7.

osofast240sx

03-23-10, 01:57 PM

Has any one been able to compare the Paradigm C5 v3 to the B&W HTM2D or new HTM2Di and if so what were your impressions? Strengths, weaknesses of both.

i was very impressed with the B&W demo its hard to choose between b&w and paradigm.

eric-t

03-23-10, 03:09 PM

Does anyone have pics of there Monitor 9's in the wenge and cherry finish. It's hard to get a feel from their website.

mbfleming

03-23-10, 03:30 PM

Does anyone have pics of there Monitor 9's in the wenge and cherry finish. It's hard to get a feel from their website.

My Paradigm dealer had some small samples in the store to show the available finishes of the Signature series. Perhaps one might have them for the Monitor series.

weissja22

03-23-10, 03:39 PM

Does anyone have pics of there Monitor 9's in the wenge and cherry finish. It's hard to get a feel from their website.

I had a hard time deciding on a color for my M9s as well. I've seen both wenge and rosenut in-person and i think they look GREAT in rosenut - like a much pricier speaker than they are. Wenge didn't do it for me, kinda dull throwback to the 80's brownish color. Unfortunately rosenut doesn't go with the decor in my room and i went with black because it goes with everything!

piperapper

03-23-10, 03:47 PM

Seismic 110? The "Bulldog" sub as it has been coined. :) I do not see it in their site. Is it shipping?

I ordered mine Feb 25/10 and still don't have it in. I heard that it was a packaging problem. Apparently the sub must be placed only one way in the box and it is easy to mistakenly place it backwards which causes the switch to get damaged. If the sub wasn't placed properly in the box one of the rear switches (on/off ?) wasn't working because they got loosened or damaged in shipping.

They are on the Canadian website but I don't think they're shipping yet.

I don't know how true this is but a dealer told me they had one on the floor and it had a bad power switch which was damaged in shipping, and he told me this info and said he was expecting the 110 to be back on the floor by the end of March.

I have a new date for shipping which is April 08, 2010. I am considering changing my order to the sub-12 but like the fact that the 110's are less than 40lbs and much smaller than the sub 12 which is almost twice the110's size and more than double the weight 88lbs. It also has twice the power!!

mjpearce023

03-23-10, 04:30 PM

Does anyone have pics of there Monitor 9's in the wenge and cherry finish. It's hard to get a feel from their website.

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/168366-paradigm_monitor_7_v6_wenge_see_photo/
heres a pic I found of wenge.
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/162080-paradigm_monitor_7_v6_new_conditon/
Here is the cherry. looks kind of light. I saw some atoms that looked good but I think they were walnut. If I find them I will post em.

eric-t

03-23-10, 06:39 PM

http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/168366-paradigm_monitor_7_v6_wenge_see_photo/
heres a pic I found of wenge.
http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/162080-paradigm_monitor_7_v6_new_conditon/
Here is the cherry. looks kind of light. I saw some atoms that looked good but I think they were walnut. If I find them I will post em.

Thanks, those pics are a big help;)

dzruna

03-23-10, 09:32 PM

The last big change in the monitors was v4 to v5. The v6 will be fine with v5 i just wouldnt go any lower than that. I had v3 fronts and a v4 center with v6 surrounds and had no problems.

Right on. Thanks.

jacksonian

03-23-10, 09:57 PM

I actually called Paradigm today to ask about my S2 vs. S4 mating with the Sub 25 question. A nice young lady answered the phone and put me into someone's voice mail. About an hour later I got a call from a guy at Paradigm (don't know his official title) who very kindly talked me through the options. I even asked him about crossovers and external amplification.

That's a really nice feeling to be able to call a company like that and talk to a real live person about their products and actually have someone be helpful. Hats off to Paradigm. I'm glad I'm supporting them now.

13ege

03-23-10, 10:31 PM

can someone inform me about how much cost a pair of sig s8 in usa? p.black version.

Santapimp27

03-23-10, 10:59 PM

can someone inform me about how much cost a pair of sig s8 in usa? p.black version.

$7K (Pair) MSRP

boyce89976

03-23-10, 11:00 PM

if you say Studios are the real deal what would you think about the Signatures???? :D

A side by side comparison between the 100 v.5's and the S6 v.2's is what made me decide to get the 100s. The highs on the sig's were a little better, but the 100s sounded just as good to me in the rest of the frequency range and actually sounded tighter in the lower frequencies. Now that I have a pair of 100s I couldn't be happier... great match with my Elite SC25!

Kimwyn

03-23-10, 11:12 PM

thats a first.....i am very surprised at that statement.

dshred

03-23-10, 11:26 PM

I ordered mine Feb 25/10 and still don't have it in. I heard that it was a packaging problem. Apparently the sub must be placed only one way in the box and it is easy to mistakenly place it backwards which causes the switch to get damaged. If the sub wasn't placed properly in the box one of the rear switches (on/off ?) wasn't working because they got loosened or damaged in shipping.

They are on the Canadian website but I don't think they're shipping yet.

I don't know how true this is but a dealer told me they had one on the floor and it had a bad power switch which was damaged in shipping, and he told me this info and said he was expecting the 110 to be back on the floor by the end of March.

I have a new date for shipping which is April 08, 2010. I am considering changing my order to the sub-12 but like the fact that the 110's are less than 40lbs and much smaller than the sub 12 which is almost twice the110's size and more than double the weight 88lbs. It also has twice the power!!

I haven't heard the 110 but I have 2 sub12's and I can assure you that you would be more than happy with it. The specs might make it seem a lot bigger, but in the room they don't actually look that big or out of place.

13ege

03-23-10, 11:48 PM

$7K (Pair) MSRP
thank you. and how much for the taxes?
dude, you're all lucky. It costs about 10.400euros pair in here.(inc. taxes)

boyce89976

03-24-10, 12:00 AM

thats a first.....i am very surprised at that statement.

For me, for the price, it was no contest. The sig's are sweet, but the 100s were as good, or better, for what I need.

Santapimp27

03-24-10, 12:15 AM

thank you. and how much for the taxes?
dude, you're all lucky. It costs about 10.400euros pair in here.(inc. taxes)

Depends on the state. For me its 7%. So its about $7500

Although most dealers will sell under MSRP

piperapper

03-24-10, 04:43 AM

I haven't heard the 110 but I have 2 sub12's and I can assure you that you would be more than happy with it. The specs might make it seem a lot bigger, but in the room they don't actually look that big or out of place.
Thanks for the info. I think if I get the right price I will get the sub-12 It just seems weird that the 110's are taking so long to be released. Originally they were supposed to be shipped by the end of Oct/09, but no one seems to have one yet and there are no reviews; which begs the question, is there a more serious design problem that is delaying their release for shipping. My price for the 110 seemed good, at $1275.00 Can. I'm hoping for the Sub-12 for about $1700.00 Can and will get it in the piano black finish.

piperapper

03-24-10, 05:05 AM

I haven't heard the 110 but I have 2 sub12's and I can assure you that you would be more than happy with it. The specs might make it seem a lot bigger, but in the room they don't actually look that big or out of place.
A second question on setup. My room is 25'x12front of room widening to 18' at the back and 7' high. Finished basement with concrete floor with berber carpeting and underpadding. Currently my sub (old yamaha yst-100) is in the front 1' away from rear wall 2.5' to the left of my front left speaker. 6' from front wall is the side of my leather coach. I'm thinking of putting the sub-12 beside the coach (end table position) with the sub facing the center of the room. I'll experiment but the current placement of my present sub gives me the best bass. It only has a 70W amp. With 1700Ws it might not necessarily give me the best sound as my current sub. Does it matter if it is 5-6' away from the side of my leather couch or does furniture blocking the subs firing range not affect things adversely like a main speaker? Also, I get good bass on the opposite side of the room from the 2 couches and may try the sub in front of my right front speaker, either close to the side wall facing the center of the room or to the right and slightly in front of the front right main.

Not sure if I'll get the pbk-1 as it seems like a lot to pay for something I'll probably use only once unless I move.

A final question about the PBK. If my amp only has one selection for the cutoff, 90hz, (select small for the speakers and Sub for the LFE which automatically sets cutoff to 90hz) would the PBK be of any use since the amp is already choosing 90hz as the cutoff freq. for bass to sub. Would it be better to set speakers as Large and get the PBK or set as Large and manually set up the crossover to match the speakers?

piperapper

03-24-10, 05:43 AM

This may be a very stupid question. If you have 2 very different subs, ie. brand and power could you use both or just use the new one and use the old one on another system? I posted above about the seismic 110 but may get the sub-12 instead (1700W - 2 850w amps). Current sub is very old (19 years, Yamaha Yst -100 - 2 7" drivers and ported out the front, grill is not removable ) and very different than a seismic 110 or sub-12.

I have an old Sansui Au1100. It is a stereo integrated amp that is rated at 110w per channel. I bought it in the late 70's (77-78). It still works but is residing in a box in the basement. Maybe I'll bring it out of retirement and put it in the bedroom and use the Yamaha sub there!

Rod#S

03-24-10, 08:05 AM

i was very impressed with the B&W demo its hard to choose between b&w and paradigm.

Yeah tell me about it :D

Thanks for the reply.

dshred

03-24-10, 10:31 AM

A second question on setup. My room is 25'x12front of room widening to 18' at the back and 7' high. Finished basement with concrete floor with berber carpeting and underpadding. Currently my sub (old yamaha yst-100) is in the front 1' away from rear wall 2.5' to the left of my front left speaker. 6' from front wall is the side of my leather coach. I'm thinking of putting the sub-12 beside the coach (end table position) with the sub facing the center of the room. I'll experiment but the current placement of my present sub gives me the best bass. It only has a 70W amp. With 1700Ws it might not necessarily give me the best sound as my current sub. Does it matter if it is 5-6' away from the side of my leather couch or does furniture blocking the subs firing range not affect things adversely like a main speaker? Also, I get good bass on the opposite side of the room from the 2 couches and may try the sub in front of my right front speaker, either close to the side wall facing the center of the room or to the right and slightly in front of the front right main.

Not sure if I'll get the pbk-1 as it seems like a lot to pay for something I'll probably use only once unless I move.

A final question about the PBK. If my amp only has one selection for the cutoff, 90hz, (select small for the speakers and Sub for the LFE which automatically sets cutoff to 90hz) would the PBK be of any use since the amp is already choosing 90hz as the cutoff freq. for bass to sub. Would it be better to set speakers as Large and get the PBK or set as Large and manually set up the crossover to match the speakers?

I currently have mine at the end of my love seat facing the center of my room and that actually gives me the best sound. Furniture isn't going to effect it like a regular speaker. I've played with the positioning a couple of times but I'm just finishing my HT room in the basement and then I'll be testing the setup a lot more.

I have the PBK but didn't follow through with the receiver setup after it so it was better when not eq'd. That was because of my receiver setting though. BRAC used the PBK on his dual sub12's and did the receiver setup after and said it worked great. You should have your speakers set to small though and let the sub take over for the LFE.

I just ordered a new receiver last night and my room will finally be complete in 2 weeks, so I will be able to tell you more about placement and the PBK. I got my PBK for $200 if that helps.

Need4spdnb

03-24-10, 10:38 AM

can someone inform me about how much cost a pair of sig s8 in usa? p.black version.

Piano black S8's are $7800

piperapper

03-24-10, 11:03 AM

I currently have mine at the end of my love seat facing the center of my room and that actually gives me the best sound. Furniture isn't going to effect it like a regular speaker. I've played with the positioning a couple of times but I'm just finishing my HT room in the basement and then I'll be testing the setup a lot more.

I have the PBK but didn't follow through with the receiver setup after it so it was better when not eq'd. That was because of my receiver setting though. BRAC used the PBK on his dual sub12's and did the receiver setup after and said it worked great. You should have your speakers set to small though and let the sub take over for the LFE.

I just ordered a new receiver last night and my room will finally be complete in 2 weeks, so I will be able to tell you more about placement and the PBK. I got my PBK for $200 if that helps.

Thanks, that does help. I still don't realy understand how the PBK works. I keep hearing that it uses eq. Does that mean that it adjusts the crossovers? My amp, a Yamaha 5560 (75W x 6) doesn't give me too many options. If I choose to do a manual setup for the sub I think I need to set the speakers to Large because if I set them to small ( which most people recommend for bookshelf speakers) it defaults to 90hz for the crossover which may not be ideal for my speakers and sub. You said BRAC did the receiver setup afterwards which seems to imply that the PBK software will not interfere with my receiver speaker settings (small for all 5 speakers, LFE to sub - auto set to 90hz for low freq crossover) If this is true that's great and it would be better to order the PBK.

My question is, will the pbk override the amps setting by adjusting the frequency response (even if the speakers are set to small) or does it use a different method to adjust for room acoustics? I don't really understand the science of how it works and what it does to adjust for room dynamics/acoustics? The Paradigm manual for the sub-12 setup (setting the sub up manually without pbk) says that if you are using the amp/receiver to set the crossover freq., to set the subs crossover to BYPASS. Do some receivers let you manually select the crossover freq. wheres mine is preset to 90hz when the speakers are set to small ?

My limited understanding of how the pbk works is that the software runs by putting out a test tone from the subwoofer and the mike picks up the sound and sends it to the computer where the software then analyzes the signal received from each listening position and then when you are finished it analyzes all the data and makes it's adjustments. To me this infers that it doesn't care what your amps speaker settings are and makes it's own adjustments. So if my receiver forces the crossover to work at 90hz when the speakers are set to small will the pbk work. If it does that's great, but if I need to set all the speakers to Large in the receiver's speaker settings in order for the PBK software to work and use a different crossover frequency than my auto pre-set of 90hz, how will that affect the way all my speakers will receive sound from my receiver and the overall sound?
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osofast240sx

03-24-10, 11:08 AM

Not sure if I'll get the pbk-1 as it seems like a lot to pay for something I'll probably use only once unless I move.

?what if you add room treatments? change position of the sub or furniture ect.

dshred

03-24-10, 11:36 AM

Thanks, that does help. I still don't realy understand how the PBK works. I keep hearing that it uses eq. Does that mean that it adjusts the crossovers? My amp, a Yamaha 5560 (75W x 6) doesn't give me too many options. If I choose to do a manual setup for the sub I think I need to set the speakers to Large because if I set them to small ( which most people recommend for bookshelf speakers) it defaults to 90hz for the crossover which may not be ideal for my speakers and sub. You said BRAC did the receiver setup afterwards which seems to imply that the PBK software will not interfere with my receiver speaker settings (small for all 5 speakers, LFE to sub - auto set to 90hz for low freq crossover) If this is true that's great and it would be better to order the PBK.

My question is, will the pbk override the amps setting by adjusting the frequency response (even if the speakers are set to small) or does it use a different method to adjust for room acoustics? I don't really understand the science of how it works and what it does to adjust for room dynamics/acoustics? The Paradigm manual for the sub-12 setup (setting the sub up manually without pbk) says that if you are using the amp/receiver to set the crossover freq., to set the subs crossover to BYPASS. Do some receivers let you manually select the crossover freq. wheres mine is preset to 90hz when the speakers are set to small ?

My limited understanding of how the pbk works is that the software runs by putting out a test tone from the subwoofer and the mike picks up the sound and sends it to the computer where the software then analyzes the signal received from each listening position and then when you are finished it analyzes all the data and makes it's adjustments. To me this infers that it doesn't care what your amps speaker settings are and makes it's own adjustments. So if my receiver forces the crossover to work at 90hz when the speakers are set to small will the pbk work. If it does that's great, but if I need to set all the speakers to Large in the receiver's speaker settings in order for the PBK software to work and use a different crossover frequency than my auto pre-set of 90hz, how will that affect the way all my speakers will receive sound from my receiver and the overall sound?
,

The PBK will not effect your receiver setup it only adjusts for the sub. You should be good to go with your speakers set to small and the Xover at 90.

Other receivers will let you set your own xover.

peterpioli

03-24-10, 12:02 PM

Has anyone seen a review of the new S8 v3 yet?

Stylz25

03-24-10, 02:03 PM

Just a quick question regarding speaker cable length.....does it matter that my fronts and center cable length are different?? My center cable lenght is only a couple feet to my Paradigm CC-290 and my fronts are about 12 feet cable length to my Monitor 11's....just curious if I should go buy a 12 ft piece for my center and if this will make a difference? Thanks

jaball77

03-24-10, 02:05 PM

does it matter that my fronts and center cable length are different??

No.

Warpdrv

03-24-10, 02:22 PM

Has anyone seen a review of the new S8 v3 yet?

I'll give ya mine.... Though not as detailed as you'll find from a Mag or Online...

They Are Great !!!!! :)

Stylz25

03-24-10, 02:22 PM

No.

Ok thanks and I thought so. I am just hearing some "s's" now and then when I watch a blu ray on my ps3 that are hightened. I have ran audyssey a couple times so thats not the issue.....maybe the CC-290 is so clear it picks up annoying s's haha

mjpearce023

03-24-10, 02:51 PM

Has anyone seen a review of the new S8 v3 yet?

Im pretty sure these are v3
http://www.hometheatermag.com/floorloudspeakers/paradigm_reference_signature_s8_speaker_system/

I know these are v2 but still a good reveiw.
http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-signature-s8-v2-loudspeakers-reviewed/

eric-t

03-24-10, 03:02 PM

Fanaticalism

03-24-10, 03:06 PM

What is this??

Sibilance.

piperapper

03-24-10, 03:13 PM

The PBK will not effect your receiver setup it only adjusts for the sub. You should be good to go with your speakers set to small and the Xover at 90.

Other receivers will let you set your own xover.
Thanks! That is as simple an answer as it gets. Thanks dshred and ohsofast240sx. I tried to get a price today for the sub-12 but the salesman I bought the seismic 110 from was off. I'll call back tomorrow and ask how much with the pbk. Hopefully I'll get them within a week. I only live 120 kms from the Paradigm factory located in Mississauga Ontario. Like the Seismic 110, I'm going to order it in piano black finish. The way the 110's shipping time is going I won't get it until at least the middle of April. Therefore the sub-12 is a good option. I will say, both look as awesome as they supposedly sound. Haven't heard either one yet.

1) Should I run the pbk immediately or do I wait a couple weeks until the sub is broken in?
2) Run it immediately then again after break-in?
3) Does it reduce the importance of where you place your sub or do you still need to optimize placement?

JHAz

03-24-10, 03:15 PM

Ok thanks and I thought so. I am just hearing some "s's" now and then when I watch a blu ray on my ps3 that are hightened. I have ran audyssey a couple times so thats not the issue.....maybe the CC-290 is so clear it picks up annoying s's haha

I have a similar isue with a CC190. It is infrequent. THere is one particular female singer's album on which many of her "S" sounds are "SH" via the 190. My guess is it's something about the tweeter or the tweeter/midrange combination. Peoples' sibilances are at different frequencies, and different mics operate differently in these ranges, and it appears that it requires unusual content to tickle that particular imperfection in what is otherwise an amazingly good speaker for the price. I think.

jacksonian

03-24-10, 03:56 PM

1) Should I run the pbk immediately or do I wait a couple weeks until the sub is broken in?
2) Run it immediately then again after break-in?
3) Does it reduce the importance of where you place your sub or do you still need to optimize placement?
Others may disagree, but I'm not sure that break-in is a big factor for subs. You may want to play a few bass heavy songs/movies to make sure but I wouldn't plan on an extended break-in period.

It does reduce the critical nature of placement, but I think everyone will tell you nothing takes the place of good placement. PBK will help correct dips and peaks caused by your room. But if you put it in a horrible place, there's only so much it can do. But it should allow you to get the best sound you can from any reasonable placement.

AKishkovsky

03-24-10, 04:30 PM

grasshoppers

03-24-10, 04:39 PM

Hello Forum,

Has anyone here Bi Amped their monitor 7's with the rear surround amps of your receivers??? Am also mulling over getting a external amp from Emotiva. Im curious more than anything. Any info or results of doing this would be awesome to read. Please share:D

I did it with my Marantz sr-5003 and the Monitor 11's.
I could not tell any difference...at all!!
Hope that helps.

AKishkovsky

03-24-10, 04:43 PM

I did it with my Marantz sr-5003 and the Monitor 11's.
I could not tell any difference...at all!!
Hope that helps.

Interesting......I have an sr5002, am wondering if it will be worth the trouble.:(

syd123

03-24-10, 04:51 PM

I purchased Paradigm Signature S8 v.2's about 15 months ago and absolutely love them. ..What has me surprised however is just how easy these things are to drive to LOUD levels. Since purchasing them I have been driving them with a Bryston 3Bsst amp which pushes 150+ watts into 8 ohms and over 250 into 4. Not surprisingly, the amp can drive them to louder levels than I can tolerated. What has me surprised, however, is that I just borrowed a PeachTree Nova from my dealer and it drives the S8's with the same impact and control as the Bryston. Granted, the Nova is a well-engineered integrated, however, considering it's rated at 80 watts into 6 ohms (and not recommended for speakers of 4 ohms or less) this surprised me.

..So, for those considering S8's, or perhaps other Paradigm floor-standers, adjust your allocation of spending with this in mind. ..Yes, a robust amp is important, but don't overspend. ..Your system may be better served by stepping up to a larger speaker - or up to the next model line - rather than over-spending on your electronics. I realize this is anathema for many here, but that's how I see it. As much as I've loved the Bryston (built like a tank, 20 year warranty, quiet, etc..), I'm now switching to the Nova and pocketing the difference.

jacksonian

03-24-10, 04:56 PM

..So, for those considering S8's, or perhaps other Paradigm floor-standers, adjust your allocation of spending with this in mind. ..Yes, a robust amp is important, but don't overspend. ..Your system may be better served by stepping up to a larger speaker - or to the model line - rather than over-spending on your electronics. I realize this is anathema for many here, but that's how I see it. As much as I've loved the Bryston (built like a tank, 20 year warranty, quiet, etc..), I'm now switching to the Nova and pocketing the difference.
Thanks for posting that, very enlightening.

Stylz25

03-24-10, 05:13 PM

I have a similar isue with a CC190. It is infrequent. THere is one particular female singer's album on which many of her "S" sounds are "SH" via the 190. My guess is it's something about the tweeter or the tweeter/midrange combination. Peoples' sibilances are at different frequencies, and different mics operate differently in these ranges, and it appears that it requires unusual content to tickle that particular imperfection in what is otherwise an amazingly good speaker for the price. I think.

Yeah mine is doing the exact same thing!! Do other center speakers do this as well? Like the Klipsch RC-52??? I am curious about this considering I thought the Paradigm CC-290 is a very good speaker but heraing the "S" sounds sometimes like I do it really makes me question!

ayrton

03-24-10, 05:39 PM

rnrgagne

03-24-10, 05:41 PM

Yeah mine is doing the exact same thing!! Do other center speakers do this as well? Like the Klipsch RC-52??? I am curious about this considering I thought the Paradigm CC-290 is a very good speaker but heraing the "S" sounds sometimes like I do it really makes me question!

Sibilance is a strange egg. It's likely isn't the speaker.
I have no idea how old anyone is here, but as we age our "tolerance" of sibilance decreases, or our sensitivity to it increases, which ever way you want to look at it.
That could be part of the fact that we loose our ability to hear the upper frequencies over 16khz as we get closer to diapers again, and since sibilance is in the 8khz to 10khz range there might be less top end competing for our attention. That last bit is just speculation on my part...

The most common cause of sibilance is in the recording process not the post processing, or speakers, and that's why it'll be more pronounced on some material than others. Your rig isn't creating it or it would be there all the time.

rnrgagne

03-24-10, 06:16 PM

I'm using an Onkyo 906 for my Studio 100s, CC-690 and ADP-590s.T he rating of this is 145w 2 channels driven. With all 7 used I bet I'm around 100-110w. This has me worried about clipping at higher volume. I have an Emotiva XPA-3 on the way which will allow me to sleep better at night. (Not worried about hurting my Paradigms) ;)

There's nothing wrong with peace of mind.

I bet there's a thousand Emotiva owners with the same or similar story. They've really created themselves a nice little niche market.
I've been on these forums for a long time and it's uncanny how anytime someone even hints at adding an external amplifier that "brand" comes up.

syd123's experience makes a great deal of sense and is supported by pretty basic science. We don't need gobs of power for most rooms. And frankly even less when you add a sub and cross over most of your speakers.

I would just caution that anyone thinking that big power is a must-have do their home work, because it's not an absolute.

Mattrix

03-24-10, 08:01 PM

Studio 20's vs SE1's ? for a 5 channel surround sound matching - possibly go with a dedicated centre to match, would make it easier to lay it down.

Whats peoples thoughts between the two?

weissja22

03-24-10, 08:22 PM

Interesting......I have an sr5002, am wondering if it will be worth the trouble.:(

I have a pioneer elite 21txh and I bi-amped my monitor 9s. I think without an a/b test you are not likely to notice much of a difference. I had the extra speaker wire and the receiver to do it so i figured why not. My speakers sound great but i couldn't honestly tell you i noticed any difference before and after. Anything we can do to improve the system right? :)

mjpearce023

03-24-10, 08:44 PM

Studio 20's vs SE1's ? for a 5 channel surround sound matching - possibly go with a dedicated centre to match, would make it easier to lay it down.

Whats peoples thoughts between the two?

I would have to go with the studios if you have the cheese. I read in a reveiw of the SEs that they dont have the highs that the studios have. I did an a/b of them at a dealer and I went we the studio 20s. They just sounded more full. The SEs are a great deal though. It was a tough decision but the 20's I got were floor models so they were the same price as the SE1s. If I had a good sub I dont know which way I would have gone but if you are going to do 2 channel audio with no sub the 20s for sure would be the way to go.

Here is that review. Its on page 3 he says the highs cant keep up.
http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

Kai Winters

03-24-10, 09:32 PM

I'm bi-amping my Monitor 11's with a Pio Elite 21 and honestly can't tell any difference...sounds awesome...I too had extra wiring laying about and the receiver is capable so I'm giving it a whirl.

zwalls

03-24-10, 10:30 PM

Thanks, that does help. I still don't realy understand how the PBK works. I keep hearing that it uses eq. Does that mean that it adjusts the crossovers? My amp, a Yamaha 5560 (75W x 6) doesn't give me too many options. If I choose to do a manual setup for the sub I think I need to set the speakers to Large because if I set them to small ( which most people recommend for bookshelf speakers) it defaults to 90hz for the crossover which may not be ideal for my speakers and sub. You said BRAC did the receiver setup afterwards which seems to imply that the PBK software will not interfere with my receiver speaker settings (small for all 5 speakers, LFE to sub - auto set to 90hz for low freq crossover) If this is true that's great and it would be better to order the PBK.

My question is, will the pbk override the amps setting by adjusting the frequency response (even if the speakers are set to small) or does it use a different method to adjust for room acoustics? I don't really understand the science of how it works and what it does to adjust for room dynamics/acoustics? The Paradigm manual for the sub-12 setup (setting the sub up manually without pbk) says that if you are using the amp/receiver to set the crossover freq., to set the subs crossover to BYPASS. Do some receivers let you manually select the crossover freq. wheres mine is preset to 90hz when the speakers are set to small ?

My limited understanding of how the pbk works is that the software runs by putting out a test tone from the subwoofer and the mike picks up the sound and sends it to the computer where the software then analyzes the signal received from each listening position and then when you are finished it analyzes all the data and makes it's adjustments. To me this infers that it doesn't care what your amps speaker settings are and makes it's own adjustments. So if my receiver forces the crossover to work at 90hz when the speakers are set to small will the pbk work. If it does that's great, but if I need to set all the speakers to Large in the receiver's speaker settings in order for the PBK software to work and use a different crossover frequency than my auto pre-set of 90hz, how will that affect the way all my speakers will receive sound from my receiver and the overall sound?
,

dont know if this will help,but I had talked to Chris with Audessy and asked about using PBK-1 with Audessy MultEQ .this was his response!

we recommend to first run the subwoofer processing and then run MultEQ after that. Keep in mind that processing adds delay so when MultEQ measures your sub it will find it "farther" away than what the tape measure would show. It is compensating for the additional delay introduced by the the processing.

Regards,
Chris

dshred

03-24-10, 11:58 PM

others may disagree, but i'm not sure that break-in is a big factor for subs. You may want to play a few bass heavy songs/movies to make sure but i wouldn't plan on an extended break-in period.

It does reduce the critical nature of placement, but i think everyone will tell you nothing takes the place of good placement. Pbk will help correct dips and peaks caused by your room. But if you put it in a horrible place, there's only so much it can do. But it should allow you to get the best sound you can from any reasonable placement.

With both of my sub12's i had to turn the volume down after a couple of weeks use. They do have somewhat of a break-in but not as much as the studio 100's.

+1 on the PBK

dshred

03-25-10, 12:02 AM

Thanks! That is as simple an answer as it gets. Thanks dshred and ohsofast240sx. I tried to get a price today for the sub-12 but the salesman I bought the seismic 110 from was off. I'll call back tomorrow and ask how much with the pbk. Hopefully I'll get them within a week. I only live 120 kms from the Paradigm factory located in Mississauga Ontario. Like the Seismic 110, I'm going to order it in piano black finish. The way the 110's shipping time is going I won't get it until at least the middle of April. Therefore the sub-12 is a good option. I will say, both look as awesome as they supposedly sound. Haven't heard either one yet.

1) Should I run the pbk immediately or do I wait a couple weeks until the sub is broken in?
2) Run it immediately then again after break-in?
3) Does it reduce the importance of where you place your sub or do you still need to optimize placement?

Just curious but what store are you shopping at? I'm only an hour north of TO.

snmhanson

03-25-10, 12:46 AM

I would have to go with the studios if you have the cheese. I read in a reveiw of the SEs that they dont have the highs that the studios have. I did an a/b of them at a dealer and I went we the studio 20s. They just sounded more full. The SEs are a great deal though. It was a tough decision but the 20's I got were floor models so they were the same price as the SE1s. If I had a good sub I dont know which way I would have gone but if you are going to do 2 channel audio with no sub the 20s for sure would be the way to go.

Here is that review. Its on page 3 he says the highs cant keep up.
http://www.avguide.com/review/paradigm-special-edition-speaker-system-the-perfect-vision-86

I agree with mjpearce. I went to a dealer a few weeks ago and listened to the SE-1s and the Studio 20s within minutes of each other. The Studios went a bit lower and seemed slightly crisper at the mids and highs. Now, whether that is due to a truly dicernable difference between the two or the placebo effect I can't be certain. However, I can say with authority that the Studio are a better looking speaker and they just say "quality". If cost isn't an issue I would go for the Studio 20s over the SE-1s. I am sure you would be happy with either as I don't think there is THAT much of a difference between the two though. Just don't listen to the Sudio 60s or 100s unless you have a flexible budget...

Matt

ToBeFrank

03-25-10, 02:59 AM

Got my SE3s today. Sounded like crap when I first hooked them up, but after a calibration they sound fantastic!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d117/fhriley/se3/se3.jpg

piperapper

03-25-10, 04:15 AM

Just curious but what store are you shopping at? I'm only an hour north of TO.
I bought the seismic 110 from United Audio Video in Cobourg ON. They don;t have a lot of stuff on the floor but the staff are very helpful and friendly. I think I got the 110 for a good deal too at $1275 (plus tax = $1449 in total Can).I went to Whitby Audio with a friend to see if they had a 110 on the floor which is where I found out about the switch problem caused by the packaging. No Sub-12 on the floor either but the sales staff are verrry knowledgeable and helpful. If and when I upgrade the rest of my audio equipment ie. Anthem amp/processor, new speakers, I would seriously consider purchasing my equipment from them. I spoke to Mark and he was very generous with his time in answering my questions and also suggested I consider the Sub-12 over the Seismic 110. He was very informed about the Anthem line of products and gave me some good tips on how to upgrade a little at a time starting with the Anthem multi-channel amp. He suggested I could use the Anthem amp and use the pre-outs on my Yamaha to run it as the pre-amp and processor. He also suggested to keep costs down that I could buy a 3 channel Anthem amp to power the front main speakers and then purchase at a later date an Anthem 2 channel amp for the rear surrounds. If the Anthem processors are too expensive to consider other options. Thanks for your help! Soon as I get a price on the piano black Sub-12 with PBK I'll post with the info.

ravingndrooling

03-25-10, 07:36 AM

njandy

03-25-10, 07:53 AM

Studio 20's vs SE1's ? for a 5 channel surround sound matching - possibly go with a dedicated centre to match, would make it easier to lay it down.

Whats peoples thoughts between the two?

When i was shopping for mine a few months back I listened to the the SE-1's back to back with the studio 10's (this is a better comparison). The 10's definately went deeper and were louder at the same volume level so i decided to go with the 10's. The mid's and highs sounded identical which you would expect because they have the same drivers.

Then i went to another dealer in NYC and listend to the 10's and 20's back to back. The 20's sounded fuller and had much more bass when listening to music. So i decided to go with the 20's.

I ended up with S2 demos when i found them for almost the same price as the new 20's and am very happy.

Hope that helps.

Andy

mjpearce023

03-25-10, 11:48 AM

When i was shopping for mine a few months back I listened to the the SE-1's back to back with the studio 10's (this is a better comparison). The 10's definately went deeper and were louder at the same volume level so i decided to go with the 10's. The mid's and highs sounded identical which you would expect because they have the same drivers.

Then i went to another dealer in NYC and listend to the 10's and 20's back to back. The 20's sounded fuller and had much more bass when listening to music. So i decided to go with the 20's.

I ended up with S2 demos when i found them for almost the same price as the new 20's and am very happy.

Hope that helps.

Andy

Wow thats quite a jump to start off looking at the SE1 then the Studio 10s then 20s and all the way up to the S2s. I bet your loving that set up. What receiver or amp are you using?

jedrgy

03-25-10, 02:18 PM

jacksonian

03-25-10, 03:16 PM

So I have my SE Center inside my entertainment center (would post a picture but I'm out of town at the moment) and it sounds to me like its resonating with the cabinet at lower frequencies. The speaker itself fits rather snug inside the space width and height wise but the stand is much deeper than the speaker. I'm guessing the resonating is because there are two port holes on the back of the center and there is a large space behind the speaker in my cabinet.

I was thinking of filling the back of the space with a towel or pillow to help absorb the sound. Any thoughts on whether that's a good idea or not?
Are you sure it's "resonating" with the cabinet or is it possible vibrating it directly? It could be either/both.

You said it's snug, but is there enough room to put like an Auralex Mopad underneath it? That would decouple it from physically vibrating the cabinet. My front 3 speakers are in a Salamander cabinet and I use the Mopads under each speaker to a) decouple them from the cabinet and b) give a little angle to the tweeters.

As for the port firing to the rear, yeah, that could be a problem. I'd give the pillow a try and see if you notice any improvement. But that's a wild guess.
http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_mopad/sound_isolation_mopad.asp

njandy

03-25-10, 04:34 PM

Wow thats quite a jump to start off looking at the SE1 then the Studio 10s then 20s and all the way up to the S2s. I bet your loving that set up. What receiver or amp are you using?

I know. I really didnt expect to spend that much but just kept comparing and ended up with the 20's. Then when shopping around for them i saw the deal online for the s2's at about the 20 price. It sounds great but i now have an underpowered receiver. I bought a denon 1910 in anticipation of getting the 10's. I already spent more money than i wanted so i will be living with it for a little while.

jedrgy

03-25-10, 05:25 PM

Are you sure it's "resonating" with the cabinet or is it possible vibrating it directly? It could be either/both.

You said it's snug, but is there enough room to put like an Auralex Mopad underneath it? That would decouple it from physically vibrating the cabinet. My front 3 speakers are in a Salamander cabinet and I use the Mopads under each speaker to a) decouple them from the cabinet and b) give a little angle to the tweeters.

As for the port firing to the rear, yeah, that could be a problem. I'd give the pillow a try and see if you notice any improvement. But that's a wild guess.
http://www.auralex.com/sound_isolation_mopad/sound_isolation_mopad.asp

Yeah its possible.. I'm going to try and put some different kind of "feet" under it but I don't have room for a Mopad.

I think I will try both and see what happens... If that doesn't work I'm going to take it out of the cabinet and see what it sounds like...

Has anyone else with an SE Center noticed this same thing?

JHAz

03-25-10, 05:44 PM

favorini

03-25-10, 07:07 PM

Hey folks,

I'd love to get some feedback from you guys on the following system I'm considering. First some details on my usage and the room specs.

Usage: Mostly home theatre, some music (say 75%/25%). Volume levels will be mostly moderate, but I do enjoy a good chest-thumping when appropriate. I will stick with 5.1 setup for now.

Me: Techie type, but no expert on AV stuff. Managing to learn a fair bit on these forums, though. :D

Current gear: Only thing that I plan to keep is a new Pioneer 60" plasma (one of the last KRP-600m's) and cable box. Old stuff is speakers (25-year-old BA60's) and fairly old Sony receiver and CD player.

Room: 17 x 13.5 x 18 (two stories!) = 4131 cu ft. + adj. open areas. TV is on centered on short wall. Main listening position is ~12' from TV. The back wall behind LP is a half-height, half-width bar setup and opens onto kitchen eating area. Starting at 9' up, there is half-wall for game room on 2nd floor (basically a balcony above, so more open space). To left of LP, a 5' arch opens to hallway. In front left corner is the up staircase. Front and right walls are exterior. Room has wall-to-wall carpet. Walls don't have any treatments, just painted.

Possible setup: Two Studio 60's and CC-690 up front. Two ADP-590's in rear, 10' up on wall. One Sub-12 with PBK. Integra DTR-70.1 (http://www.integrahometheater.com/model.cfm?m=DTR-70.1&class=Receiver&p=f) (or 80.1 (http://www.integrahometheater.com/model.cfm?m=DTR-80.1&class=Receiver&p=f)) or Pioneer Elite SC-25 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/ci.SC-25.Kuro?tab=B) (or SC-27 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Products/HomeEntertainment/AV-Receivers/EliteReceivers/ci.SC-27.Kuro?tab=B)).

Issues:

Front - There is not a lot of floor space up front, so 100's are out. 60's are marginal, but I want floor standers. They will have to go within 6 inches or so of the wall. Any problems with that? They will fit if I put them just to either side of the TV, maybe 5.5' apart.

Center - Do I really need the 690 if I have a sub or can I get away with the 590 as a center? Main concerns are size and price (in that order). AV stand will be something like BDI Avion 8925 (http://www.bdiusa.com/theater/avion_2_8925.shtml) (22.5" x 50" x 22" HWD), which is about max that will fit since 690 is 10" tall, and I have 33" of space under the TV.

Sub - Is Sub-12 big enough or do I need Sub-15? Rather not spend more, if I don't have to. I'm not prone to ear-bleeding sound levels, but I would like to be able to feel the deep base pounding at times. Is the 12 enough faster than the 15 that the 12 might be a bit more seamless with the 60's? Is placement in the front, right corner behind a big leather chair going to muffle the sub? It could face into the back of the chair, into the corner, or out from one of the two walls. Not sure what is best. How much clearance do I want in front of the sub? This is by far the best location based on other stuff in the room. I might be able to put it next to the chair, but it would be close to the fireplace, which makes me nervous :eek:. The size of the Sub-15 may be a problem if I try to put it in the corner. Can someone tell me the front and back widths of the 12 and 15? I understand they are a bit trapezoidal in shape. Should I consider JL F112 or something ID instead (SVS, HSU, etc.)? I feel like PBK could really help in my setup, but maybe there's a legit alternative.

Surround/Rear - ADP-590's will be on back wall almost 10' off ground and 5' behind LP. They will be spaced about 8' apart and about 3' from the side walls. House was already wired this way, and it seems like the best layout, given the alternatives. (There is not a good place on the sides, due to a window on one side and open archway on the other.) Should I angle the 590's down a bit, so the sound doesn't float over the LP or is that not an issue with dipoles? Would direct-firing (Studio 10?) be better for some reason?

Finish - Can't decide between Cherry and Rosenut. Haven't seen either in person yet (only black). My furniture is dark brown leather, modern Italian style. I have a couple of chrome and glass tables, too. Walls and carpet are light, neutral colors. Trying to decide if I want a darker AV stand (walnut or espresso) with cherry speakers, or Rosenut speakers with lighter stand (cherry). I don't want the speakers to clash with the stand.

AVR - Main issue here is Audyssey vs. MCACC for room correction and whether to step up to 80.1 or SC-27 or stay with 70.1 or SC-25. I think power should be OK for any of them (140 W/ch; I can always add an amp later, if needed.). I have one local dealer who does Pio and the other does Integra. Any thoughts on whether Audyssey MultEQ XT or MCACC will be better for my room setup and/or with Paradigm and PBK? Could I get away with 40.1? It only has Audyssey MultEQ (not XT) and 100 W/ch. I have no plans to go to a 7.1 or higher setup. I don't really need multiple zones either. What's worth more, the 8 measurement positions for MultEQ XT vs. only one for MCACC, or the ICE amps on the Pio? Pio would be a bit cheaper it seems.
Also, the video processing seems better for Integra (HQV Reon-VX) than Pio (Faroudja and doesn't upscale any HDMI). I mainly would use this for the cable box. I have very few DVD's (going to blu-ray). Should I care about PQLS, since I have Pio plasma? Don't have blu-ray yet, but I could go Pio (but am leaning towards LG BD590 for features).

Alternatives - Also considering Def Tech STS, maybe with JL F112 or other sub. Thoughts on how they compare with Paradigm? I think I prefer the Paradigm sound by a little, not to mention looks. Size advantage goes to STS.

Timing - With the looming Paradigm price increase on April 1, I'm trying to make a decision this weekend. Yikes!

Hope this post wasn't too long to digest. Thanks for any help you can provide. This is forum is highly addictive!

mjpearce023

03-25-10, 07:54 PM

I know. I really didnt expect to spend that much but just kept comparing and ended up with the 20's. Then when shopping around for them i saw the deal online for the s2's at about the 20 price. It sounds great but i now have an underpowered receiver. I bought a denon 1910 in anticipation of getting the 10's. I already spent more money than i wanted so i will be living with it for a little while.

Yea last year I found a Denon 1508 for 75$. I couldnt pass it up and it seemed to do well with my monitor 3s I picked up. Now that I have the studio 20s I dont think the 1508 has enough power to create the realistic soundstage I heard at the dealer. I am looking at a marantz 5003 or 6003 off accessories for less. I wish we had a dealer around here that sold marantz so i could hear it before I buy it online. I wanted another denon but you have to go up to the 3310 to get pre amp outputs and thats too much money for me. If the 2310 had preamps I would get it. I aslo looked at Pioneer Elite but we dont have a dealer around here and they dont honor warrenties for online purchase. I think the marantz will sound better in 2 channel stereo from the millions of reviews I have read. We will see. I will probably order it in 2 months or so.

BTT917

03-25-10, 08:07 PM

Issues:

Front - There is not a lot of floor space up front, so 100's are out. 60's are marginal, but I want floor standers. They will have to go within 6 inches or so of the wall. Any problems with that? They will fit if I put them just to either side of the TV, maybe 5.5' apart.Any particular reason you want floorstanders? Unless you plan to listen to them full range without a sub frequently, I would get 20's for the L&R and use the money other places. And the 20's do a good job when run full range (I own Studio 10's and run them full range and am satisfied with them).

Center - Do I really need the 690 if I have a sub or can I get away with the 590 as a center? Main concerns are size and price (in that order). AV stand will be something like BDI Avion 8925 (22.5" x 50" x 22" HWD), which is about max that will fit since 690 is 10" tall, and I have 33" of space under the TV.I think the CC-590 is a good match for either the 60's or 20's, and is what I would get for your room size.

Sub - Is Sub-12 big enough or do I need Sub-15? Rather not spend more, if I don't have to. I'm not prone to ear-bleeding sound levels, but I would like to be able to feel the deep base pounding at times. Is the 12 enough faster than the 15 that the 12 might be a bit more seamless with the 60's? Is placement in the front, right corner behind a big leather chair going to muffle the sub? It could face into the back of the chair, into the corner, or out from one of the two walls. Not sure what is best. How much clearance do I want in front of the sub? This is by far the best location based on other stuff in the room. I might be able to put it next to the chair, but it would be close to the fireplace, which makes me nervous :eek:. The size of the Sub-15 may be a problem if I try to put it in the corner. Can someone tell me the front and back widths of the 12 and 15? I understand they are a bit trapezoidal in shape. Should I consider JL F112 or something ID instead (SVS, HSU, etc.)? I feel like PBK could really help in my setup, but maybe there's a legit alternative.This is where I would put the money saved by going with the 20's and CC-590. I would get two SUB12's, or even two Seismic 110's, though I haven't heard the Seismic yet. I haven't noticed a difference in SQ between the 12 and 15, only in output level. The PBK does make a significant difference, though.

I've never heard an SVS PB-13 Ultra but am sure it would be compairable to the 12 or 15. Its enclosure is a bit larger than the SUB15.

As far as placement goes, I would experiment a bit when you actually get the room in place. It's almost impossible to predict the best spot(s) for sub(s) beforehand. Are you concerned about getting even response for just one or two seats, or for a larger seating area?
Surround/Rear - ADP-590's will be on back wall almost 10' off ground and 5' behind LP. They will be spaced about 8' apart and about 3' from the side walls. House was already wired this way, and it seems like the best layout, given the alternatives. (There is not a good place on the sides, due to a window on one side and open archway on the other.) Should I angle the 590's down a bit, so the sound doesn't float over the LP or is that not an issue with dipoles? Would direct-firing (Studio 10?) be better for some reason?
I'd stay with the ADP's. I would bring them down a bit if at all possible. Is there a reason you can't bring the wires back into the wall and come out at 5-6 feet above the floor?
Finish - Can't decide between Cherry and Rosenut. Haven't seen either in person yet (only black). My furniture is dark brown leather, modern Italian style. I have a couple of chrome and glass tables, too. Walls and carpet are light, neutral colors. Trying to decide if I want a darker AV stand (walnut or espresso) with cherry speakers, or Rosenut speakers with lighter stand (cherry). I don't want the speakers to clash with the stand.I have Studio 10's and CC-490 in cherry, and SE1's in rosenut. They are both beautiful. Your dealer should have a set of 3"x3" finish samples to give you a better real-world feel. If not, he can get them from his dealer rep.

AVR - Main issue here is Audyssey vs. MCACC for room correction and whether to step up to 80.1 or SC-27 or stay with 70.1 or SC-25. I think power should be OK for any of them (140 W/ch; I can always add an amp later, if needed.). I have one local dealer who does Pio and the other does Integra. Any thoughts on whether Audyssey MultEQ XT or MCACC will be better for my room setup and/or with Paradigm and PBK? Could I get away with 40.1? It only has Audyssey MultEQ (not XT) and 100 W/ch. I have no plans to go to a 7.1 or higher setup. I don't really need multiple zones either. What's worth more, the 8 measurement positions for MultEQ XT vs. only one for MCACC, or the ICE amps on the Pio? Pio would be a bit cheaper it seems.
Also, the video processing seems better for Integra (HQV Reon-VX) than Pio (Faroudja and doesn't upscale any HDMI). I mainly care about this for cable box. I have very few DVD's that I care about. Should I care about PQLS, since I have Pio plasma? Don't have blu-ray yet, but I could go Pio (but am leaning towards LG BD590 for features).I would lean towards Audyssey. I would not worry about the upscaling in the receiver and just send everything native to the TV. Also, Anthem should be coming out with a pair of receivers ($1300 and $1800) with Anthem Room Correction which is regarded much higher than either Audyssey or MCACC. They're coming out in June, if you can wait.

Alternatives - Also considering Def Tech STS, maybe with JL F112 or other sub. Thoughts on how they compare with Paradigm? I think I prefer the Paradigm sound by a little, not to mention looks. Size advantage goes to STS.Never heard the STS's. I would choose either Studio sub or SVS Ultra before the JL's.

shawnwalters

03-25-10, 08:24 PM

Front - There is not a lot of floor space up front, so 100's are out. 60's are marginal, but I want floor standers. They will have to go within 6 inches or so of the wall. Any problems with that? They will fit if I put them just to either side of the TV, maybe 5.5' apart.

Whatever you choose, especially if floor standers, make sure they are front ported. It could still sound muffled being that close the wall even if they are front ported, but it should be help. If you find it's muffled, try putting like 4" of absorption behind them. If they are smaller speakers meant to go on the wall, you should be ok.

I have 100's and when I was in my temp setup, they sounded like crap when they were jammed up against a wall.

oztech

03-25-10, 08:36 PM

I have never been to a speaker demo yet that the speakers were not at least a foot and
a half away from the back wall its not mandatory but they will sound better. I know do
to certain rooms you have to work with what you have but you can use room treatments
to compensate for some of it.

spikeitaudi

03-25-10, 08:49 PM

Well I finally pulled the trigger on a pair of Monitor 9's V6 for 700 flat. Couldn't pass it up. They sounds so much better then the Polk R30's I had.

Santapimp27

03-25-10, 09:08 PM

Yea last year I found a Denon 1508 for 75$. I couldnt pass it up and it seemed to do well with my monitor 3s I picked up. Now that I have the studio 20s I dont think the 1508 has enough power to create the realistic soundstage I heard at the dealer. I am looking at a marantz 5003 or 6003 off accessories for less. I wish we had a dealer around here that sold marantz so i could hear it before I buy it online. I wanted another denon but you have to go up to the 3310 to get pre amp outputs and thats too much money for me. If the 2310 had preamps I would get it. I aslo looked at Pioneer Elite but we dont have a dealer around here and they dont honor warrenties for online purchase. I think the marantz will sound better in 2 channel stereo from the millions of reviews I have read. We will see. I will probably order it in 2 months or so.

Pioneer Elite and Marantz both sound great with Paradigms from everything ive ever read and from people ive talked to. I have a Pioneer Elite and love it. Marantz just doesnt have the connections i needed unless i spent huge money.

Best buy carries Pioneer usually, or atleast the one by me does

Stylz25

03-25-10, 09:18 PM

multiham

03-25-10, 09:59 PM

mattldm

03-25-10, 10:30 PM

Ryan Peddle

03-25-10, 10:36 PM

Whatever you choose, especially if floor standers, make sure they are front ported. It could still sound muffled being that close the wall even if they are front ported, but it should be help. If you find it's muffled, try putting like 4" of absorption behind them. If they are smaller speakers meant to go on the wall, you should be ok.

I have 100's and when I was in my temp setup, they sounded like crap when they were jammed up against a wall.

I am finding the opposite with my Studio 100s (V5). I have the about a foot away from the wall, connected to a NAD M25 amp for power, and I find the bass underwhelming.

I have read a lot of reviews commending the 100s for their bass output. I played the THX opening sequence at the beginning of my Empire strikes back DVD and there just doesn't seem to be any major bass. Though, I put in some R&B music, and their seems to be some bass.

Do the woofers really have that long of a break in period that after a week of usage they are still stiff?

favorini

03-25-10, 10:37 PM

Any particular reason you want floorstanders? Unless you plan to listen to them full range without a sub frequently, I would get 20's for the L&R and use the money other places. And the 20's do a good job when run full range (I own Studio 10's and run them full range and am satisfied with them).

Oh man, I've gone back and forth on this a couple times. I haven't been able to hear the 20's or 10's and that combined with the fact that some people were saying the 60's had a fuller mid-range and more seamless transition to the Sub-12, is making me lean towards the 60's. But I could still be swayed back the other way. Any 20 + 12/15 owners want to chime in?

This is where I would put the money saved by going with the 20's and CC-590. I would get two SUB12's, or even two Seismic 110's, though I haven't heard the Seismic yet. I haven't noticed a difference in SQ between the 12 and 15, only in output level. The PBK does make a significant difference, though.

It's going to be hard to figure out where to put two subs. The only layout that seems feasible is one in front, right corner behind chair and one along right wall, a couple feet behind LP. Not sure how this would be balance-wise.

Are you concerned about getting even response for just one or two seats, or for a larger seating area?

The two main seats are side-by-side facing the TV. There is also a couch on the left wall. It would be nice to get decent sound in those 3 locations for when I have people over.

I'd stay with the ADP's. I would bring them down a bit if at all possible. Is there a reason you can't bring the wires back into the wall and come out at 5-6 feet above the floor?

Yeah, there's no wall there. :D The back wall is open up to 9' high. (Well, there is a 4' high wall/bar that goes from the back left corner to about halfway across the back.) I notice in the ADP-590 manual, Paradigm recommends 6-9' high placement, so I guess I'm not too far off. Do the wall mounts allow them to be aimed downward a tad? Couldn't tell from manual.

I would lean towards Audyssey. I would not worry about the upscaling in the receiver and just send everything native to the TV.

I tried leaving the cable box in native resolution, but the Pio then takes about 2 seconds to change resolutions on channel changes, and it's too annoying. So I have the cable box set to output 1080i always. It works well enough, but I thought maybe the Reon would do the trick. Not a huge deal either way.

Also, Anthem should be coming out with a pair of receivers ($1300 and $1800) with Anthem Room Correction which is regarded much higher than either Audyssey or MCACC. They're coming out in June, if you can wait.

I hadn't heard that before. That is really interesting. I am tempted to wait, but it would be tough. Do you have some more details?

Thanks for all the good feedback.

favorini

03-25-10, 10:55 PM

dshred

03-25-10, 10:57 PM

knik

03-25-10, 11:09 PM

Do the 100's have a rear port? I think the 60's are front port only. When I do my next demo (tomorrow, most likely), I'll have to play with distance from wall.

The Studio 100v.5 are only front ported, while the 60s are front and rear ported.

Ryan Peddle

03-25-10, 11:10 PM

Yes. Mine have at least 300 hours on them and they are still stiff. They do sound noticeably better though.

That's good to hear. All you ever hear about a speaker, be it from a review, or an owner, is that it sounds incredible. But they never describe the process.

I know my sub 12 took a good 2 months of usage before I really took notice of how intense it is in the low frequency department. And maybe I am spoiled with bass because of it. But I do think that the Studio 100s should be able to portray some impactful bass on their own.

I guess I am just playing the waiting game.

video_bit_bucket

03-25-10, 11:17 PM

I am finding the opposite with my Studio 100s (V5). I have the about a foot away from the wall, connected to a NAD M25 amp for power, and I find the bass underwhelming.

I have read a lot of reviews commending the 100s for their bass output. I played the THX opening sequence at the beginning of my Empire strikes back DVD and there just doesn't seem to be any major bass. Though, I put in some R&B music, and their seems to be some bass.

Do the woofers really have that long of a break in period that after a week of usage they are still stiff?

My v3 Studio 100's needed at least 18 inches from the back wall. Just for grins double the rear clearance and see if it makes a difference. What you are working with is the bass impulse leaving the front of the speaker, bouncing off the back wall and then coming to you the listener. Your mind will register both the first direct impulse and the second sound coming from the reflection. The timing between them will influence your perception of the sound.

The room in general will also have its own impact on the sound. Some rooms have a null at one point or another where the reflected waves tend to cancel each other which can give the appearance that a speaker is weak at a particular frequency. You may just have the misfortune of having placed the speakers in a place where the low bass range is compromised.

My v3's were not earth shattering in the bottom end but not a disappointment to me at any rate.

Ryan Peddle

03-25-10, 11:19 PM

This is the way my living room is set up right now. 10ft ceilings, above the garage.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/burnerp3h/P3H%20Theater/currentlayout.jpg

But I am thinking that a change to this would be beneficial. Because everything won't be out in the middle of the room. Almost every system I have had has always been set up this way.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g120/burnerp3h/P3H%20Theater/possiblechange.jpg

Pair4Dimes

03-26-10, 01:20 AM

Someone call the doctor I might have upgraditis..:eek:... Been looking at the S6 to replace my 100s v.5... I feel like missing something without the Be tweeters when it comes to music... and they are only 3 months old :eek:

Bah.....:confused:

jobu01

03-26-10, 01:30 AM

Got my SE3s today. Sounded like crap when I first hooked them up, but after a calibration they sound fantastic!

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d117/fhriley/se3/se3.jpg

I am in a similar situation where my center speaker obscures my TV if I put it on the stand at the same level as the TV. I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a solution other than buying a new stand, mounting the TV on the wall, or placing it on books :D (side note: the speakers look great).

Basically, I want to raise my TV up by about 3.5-4 inches. I've considered building a platform or purchasing one if they exist. Any thoughts?

dshred

03-26-10, 01:35 AM

That's good to hear. All you ever hear about a speaker, be it from a review, or an owner, is that it sounds incredible. But they never describe the process.

I know my sub 12 took a good 2 months of usage before I really took notice of how intense it is in the low frequency department. And maybe I am spoiled with bass because of it. But I do think that the Studio 100s should be able to portray some impactful bass on their own.

I guess I am just playing the waiting game.

When I got my 100's I set them up with a Yamaha RX795a and yamaha cd player and let them play different types of music for about 70hrs before I hooked them up to the Denon for HT use.

To me the bass was better with the Yamaha setup. The setup was in my room with the speakers side by side and away from the walls. I'm sure that helped the sound. As far as HT goes though, they are great along side of two sub 12's.

A guy I know said that it took about 4 years for his 100's to be broken in, I assumed he was kidding, but judging from the drivers on my 60's (3 years old) and the drivers on the 100's I'm sure it will take a while to get the full bliss out of them.

dshred

03-26-10, 01:37 AM

ToBeFrank

03-26-10, 02:36 AM

I am in a similar situation where my center speaker obscures my TV if I put it on the stand at the same level as the TV. I'm wondering if anyone has come up with a solution other than buying a new stand, mounting the TV on the wall, or placing it on books :D (side note: the speakers look great).

Lol, I was wondering when someone would comment on that. It's my temporary solution. I knew I would need to raise the tv, and I wanted to wait to see exactly how high I needed to go. I've debated a wall mount, but I really don't want to do that. I think I'm going to build a simple wood stand and paint it black.

And I just finished watching Iron Man on bluray. I finally have the movie theater experience in my living room! Very happy with the speakers.

dryeye

03-26-10, 08:43 AM

Looking for comments from anyone who has Paradigm in wall speakers. Looking to upgrade a room where I have 6 year old B&W in wall speakers (Front, Centers, and rear). Love my Paradigm Studio 40's I have in another room so thinking about replacing the B&W's with Paradigm. Anyone have Paradigm in wall speakers and have any comments or recommendations.

Room is 20 X 12. Will have a separate sub in the room. System is 99% for HT. Will use Integra 5.8 to drive speakers

Please know that I have to stick with in wall speakers in this room.

Comments about in or on wall speakers in this thread are pretty rare but I will say this, I do not own any in/on wall speakers but I have heard many from the Paradigm line up at various dealerships over the years. They always sounded very good and in some cases have "disappeared" better than a standard model could have in its place. Paradigm offers many types and sizes and I'm sure one will fit your needs.

No idea of what models you are looking to replace but a quick check at Audiogon turns up these http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1274119641&/Paradigm-signature-w5-lcr-On-w if you don't mind second hand

mjpearce023

03-26-10, 09:23 AM

Pioneer Elite and Marantz both sound great with Paradigms from everything ive ever read and from people ive talked to. I have a Pioneer Elite and love it. Marantz just doesnt have the connections i needed unless i spent huge money.

Best buy carries Pioneer usually, or atleast the one by me does

Yea the bestbuy near me has pioneer but none of them in the state have pioneer elite. The only thing I could do would be to order the pioneer 9040 which is the same as the 21thx without the pretty elite sign on it. You can order that online and get the regular 1 year warrenty. Or I could go visit my brother in Oklahoma and they have some pioneer elite dealers down there. He has a Pioneer elite and likes it but he wouldnt sell it too me. I dont know what Im going to do. I have changed my mind at least 30 times and Ill probably change it 20 more times before I buy one.

spikeitaudi

03-26-10, 09:25 AM

Yea the bestbuy near me has pioneer but none of them in the state have pioneer elite. The only thing I could do would be to order the pioneer 9040 which is the same as the 21thx without the pretty elite sign on it. You can order that online and get the regular 1 year warrenty. Or I could go visit my brother in Oklahoma and they have some pioneer elite dealers down there. He has a Pioneer elite and likes it but he wouldnt sell it too me. I dont know what Im going to do. I have changed my mind at least 30 times and Ill probably change it 20 more times before I buy one.

Just get the 21txh and be done with it. :) I have the 23 and it is nice.

the_phew

03-26-10, 09:51 AM

No idea of what models you are looking to replace but a quick check at Audiogon turns up these http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1274119641&/Paradigm-signature-w5-lcr-On-w if you don't mind second hand

I own the W5s for LCR, and IMHO they are the best kept secret of the Signature lineup. Same number of drivers as the S8, for half the price, and they take up no floor space. Bass extension isn't as good as the floorstanders, but I cross over to my Sub 1 at 80 Hz anyway.

CarlosMS16

03-26-10, 09:55 AM

Good Morning All. I just started the thread, on page 5 actually but I will finish it, and I want to know what is the price range of Paradigm floor standing speakers ranging from Monitor, Special Edition and Studio. I'm researching my upgrades and Paradigm is included but I need to know what's within my budget.

13ege

03-26-10, 11:59 AM

I'm listening Brand New Day from Sting (Dvd-Audio 5.1 DD) now, and there are no problems with surrounds at all, actually they are pretty hearable and stunning. But they always get lost in movies, I just can't hear any of surround effects. Of course there are sounds and all the surrounds are working but they are not reaching to lp unlike dvd-audios. weird..

njandy

03-26-10, 12:56 PM

favorini

03-26-10, 02:21 PM

Try this link for paradigm pricing. http://www.bradfordshifi.com/prices.html

Note, that seems to be the new pricing, which takes effect on April 1, by all accounts. The current pricing is roughly 10% less ($50-200).

lakebum431

03-26-10, 02:23 PM

Dang, just got word from my dealer that my new Studio 60s and CC 590 didn't make it in from Canada today. Have to wait until Monday. What a let down.

Frohlich

03-26-10, 02:25 PM

Dang, just got word from my dealer that my new Studio 60s and CC 590 didn't make it in from Canada today. Have to wait until Monday. What a let down.

Waiting for new toys is the worst. I ordered the Paradigm Sub 15 a few weeks ago and they held up the shipment for 2 days for another customers order for the same store. In the long run it makes no difference but there is something to be said for instant gratification :)

lakebum431

03-26-10, 02:43 PM

Agree, in the long run it is irrelevant, but it sure does suck right now!!! I almost wish the dealer would have told me it would take 2 weeks to be in and then when it comes on Monday I'd be excited. Oh well. I'll settle for inferior sound for a few more days :)

Kimwyn

03-26-10, 02:47 PM

I would lean towards Audyssey. I would not worry about the upscaling in the receiver and just send everything native to the TV. Also, Anthem should be coming out with a pair of receivers ($1300 and $1800) with Anthem Room Correction which is regarded much higher than either Audyssey or MCACC. They're coming out in June, if you can wait.

Do you have any more info on these receivers?? you have now peaked my interest because i am very interested in ARC and saying that i am getting Paradigms and Anthem is the sister company to paradigm it may be a great receiver to mate.

Warpdrv

03-26-10, 03:22 PM

Do you have any more info on these receivers?? you have now peaked my interest because i am very interested in ARC and saying that i am getting Paradigms and Anthem is the sister company to paradigm it may be a great receiver to mate.

Info is very hard to find on these units....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18383746

piperapper

03-26-10, 03:42 PM

I bought the seismic 110 from United Audio Video in Cobourg ON. They don;t have a lot of stuff on the floor but the staff are very helpful and friendly. I think I got the 110 for a good deal too at $1275 (plus tax = $1449 in total Can).I went to Whitby Audio with a friend to see if they had a 110 on the floor which is where I found out about the switch problem caused by the packaging. No Sub-12 on the floor either but the sales staff are verrry knowledgeable and helpful. If and when I upgrade the rest of my audio equipment ie. Anthem amp/processor, new speakers, I would seriously consider purchasing my equipment from them. I spoke to Mark and he was very generous with his time in answering my questions and also suggested I consider the Sub-12 over the Seismic 110. He was very informed about the Anthem line of products and gave me some good tips on how to upgrade a little at a time starting with the Anthem multi-channel amp. He suggested I could use the Anthem amp and use the pre-outs on my Yamaha to run it as the pre-amp and processor. He also suggested to keep costs down that I could buy a 3 channel Anthem amp to power the front main speakers and then purchase at a later date an Anthem 2 channel amp for the rear surrounds. If the Anthem processors are too expensive to consider other options. Thanks for your help! Soon as I get a price on the piano black Sub-12 with PBK I'll post with the info.
Cancelled the seismic 110 I ordered and went with the Sub-12 in piano black (mostly to soften up the wife to the purchase) and the PBK-1. I think I paid a little too much as I might be getting charged April 1 (new price changes at Paradigm - about 15% increase). Cost 2200$ Can with PBK. I checked if that was the right price or was I being charged new Apr 1 prices and they said no the piano black is more money. Anyway, I placed the order and when I get home next Friday they should have the sub & pbk.