Did anybody bother to improve on the crossover filters in their Paradigm speakers?

Well I did :-) Here are two pics of before and after modification.
OK looks bigger,
but how would you proof this???
Making it bigger doesn't mean it will sound better, some times it makes it worst

OK looks bigger,
but how would you proof this???
Making it bigger doesn't mean it will sound better, some times it makes it worst


Proof would be in the listening, to his ears only. Nothing else matters. :)

After spending lots of time reading the MUG (maggie forum) I found that it is almost a given that after one owns a pair of maggies for a while, the next step is to mod the crossover with better parts. Nothing wrong with that, part of what makes the hobby fun!

But not for the electronically challenged (me included :confused: )

Proof would be in the listening, to his ears only. Nothing else matters. :)

After spending lots of time reading the MUG (maggie forum) I found that it is almost a given that after one owns a pair of maggies for a while, the next step is to mod the crossover with better parts. Nothing wrong with that, part of what makes the hobby fun!

But not for the electronically challenged (me included :confused: )
Good point replacing part with higher quality components makes sense
if you have no problems doing it
:)

I have a question about the placement of my new CC-370. I had a telephone conversation with the installer who suggests that it be mounted on the wall above my 60" Sony SXRD (rear projection). I have bookcases on either side and will be using Monitor 5's as fronts. There isn't enough room to place the CC-370 in the stand below the SXRD. So... by mounting the CC-370 on the wall, I'll be about 18" behind the front of the screen, and about 10" behind the front of the Monitor 5's. Keeping in mind that I'm not creating a 'home theater' as such, but more of a living/media room, is this arrangement "okay" sound wise? (my only other option is some sort of shelf that won't look very good as far ss the wife goes). Thanks from a newbie.

I have a question about the placement of my new CC-370. I had a telephone conversation with the installer who suggests that it be mounted on the wall above my 60" Sony SXRD (rear projection). I have bookcases on either side and will be using Monitor 5's as fronts. There isn't enough room to place the CC-370 in the stand below the SXRD. So... by mounting the CC-370 on the wall, I'll be about 18" behind the front of the screen, and about 10" behind the front of the Monitor 5's. Keeping in mind that I'm not creating a 'home theater' as such, but more of a living/media room, is this arrangement "okay" sound wise? (my only other option is some sort of shelf that won't look very good as far ss the wife goes). Thanks from a newbie.


Just make sure you set the distances/delays accurately for the fronts and center. You may loose a bit of sound quality from bouncing off the back of the SXRD but it will more than likely be un-noticable.

I have a question about the placement of my new CC-370. I had a telephone conversation with the installer who suggests that it be mounted on the wall above my 60" Sony SXRD (rear projection). I have bookcases on either side and will be using Monitor 5's as fronts. There isn't enough room to place the CC-370 in the stand below the SXRD. So... by mounting the CC-370 on the wall, I'll be about 18" behind the front of the screen, and about 10" behind the front of the Monitor 5's. Keeping in mind that I'm not creating a 'home theater' as such, but more of a living/media room, is this arrangement "okay" sound wise? (my only other option is some sort of shelf that won't look very good as far ss the wife goes). Thanks from a newbie.
Yes it is OK to place it there,
Make sure its pointing towards your listening area.
Also make sure you adjust speaker distance on you receiver

I have a question about the placement of my new CC-370. I had a telephone conversation with the installer who suggests that it be mounted on the wall above my 60" Sony SXRD (rear projection). I have bookcases on either side and will be using Monitor 5's as fronts. There isn't enough room to place the CC-370 in the stand below the SXRD. So... by mounting the CC-370 on the wall, I'll be about 18" behind the front of the screen, and about 10" behind the front of the Monitor 5's. Keeping in mind that I'm not creating a 'home theater' as such, but more of a living/media room, is this arrangement "okay" sound wise? (my only other option is some sort of shelf that won't look very good as far ss the wife goes). Thanks from a newbie.

I would try to avoid having the speaker set that far back and against a wall. Those aren't the best conditions for good sound quality. I have seen special center speaker stands that allow you to place your center on top of a TV that has an angled back. The stand has two short legs on the back that compensate for the slopping back of the TV.

As I write this, I was able to find one for you. Try this.

http://www.racksandstands.com/Sanus-TVSb-and-TVSc-276SY0054.html

Cheers,

- Tim

Hello,

I first wanted to say that these forums are great. I have recently had a lot of time on my hands and have read numerous 50+ page threads from start to finish. The amount of collective knowledge that you guys have is incredible. On to my questions..

I am a proud owner of a a pair of Monitor 7's. I will be moving into a new apartment soon and will want to complete my 5.1 setup. I will be buying a CC-370 and a pair of Mini-Monitors for rears. I will also be buying a new television, probably the Sony 40v2500 that is coming out in about a month. I want to know if anyone has used a 'Center Channel Shelf,' such as the one above , with a 40" LCD TV, or maybe even a 42" Plasma with the CC-370. I can't post links yet, but I know that AudioAdvisor has a larger center channel shelf. I've taken a look at some of what is out there, but it would be nice to know if someone else has one and knows that it works.

If these shelves can work for a CC-370 on top of an LCD, then my search for entertainment center furniture becomes much easier.

Thanks in advance.

-Dan

I would try to avoid having the speaker set that far back and against a wall. Those aren't the best conditions for good sound quality. I have seen special center speaker stands that allow you to place your center on top of a TV that has an angled back. The stand has two short legs on the back that compensate for the slopping back of the TV.

As I write this, I was able to find one for you. Try this.

http://www.racksandstands.com/Sanus-TVSb-and-TVSc-276SY0054.html

Cheers,

- Tim

I don't think that stand will work with the sxrd Sonys.

I don't think that stand will work with the sxrd Sonys.

No, it won't. I have that exact stand I use with my Sony direct view 34XBR960 to support my CC370.

You might try a stand which attaches to the wall and extends out like an arm to position the CC370 directly over the screen. I have seen pictures of this setup. It looks like the speaker is floating above the set from the front, but a little awkward from the side. Of course if you move the Sony you will have to relocate the mount also so positioning is critical.

Chuck

Hey guys, I'm just curious, has the Paradigm Studio 20 dropped in price since December of last year? Also is the Milennia more expensive than the Studio 20?

Hey Guys, I'm wondering what's new for the Servo 15?

I have a v1 and a v2, the v1 sounds just like it's bottoming out, it's making a loud clapping sound whenever a good bass scene is played, scenes it always handled before with no problem. If fixing it is going to cost too much, then I'm going to buy another v2 or a v3, if it's already out unless there's something even newer coming along.

Hey Guys, I'm wondering what's new for the Servo 15?

I have a v1 and a v2, the v1 sounds just like it's bottoming out, it's making a loud clapping sound whenever a good bass scene is played, scenes it always handled before with no problem. If fixing it is going to cost too much, then I'm going to buy another v2 or a v3, if it's already out unless there's something even newer coming along.
i also am interested in a v2 unless a v3 is around the bend.

i have a pioneer vxs-80txv receiver and i'm running paradigm 100's as mains through a carver amp 350x2. i like a little more bass so i added as svs ultra tv-12 sub. how would i run this 2.1 setup? it there an option in the receiver? or should i use line level out?

i have a pioneer vxs-80txv receiver and i'm running paradigm 100's as mains through a carver amp 350x2. i like a little more bass so i added as svs ultra tv-12 sub. how would i run this 2.1 setup? it there an option in the receiver? or should i use line level out?

If you are using the system for music I would connect the sub via the LFE jack, set the 100s to SMALL (Yes, I know they are anything but small!), set the Crossover to 40 Hz and set output to SUB. This will send frequencies 40 Hz and below to the SVS. The crossover is not a brick wall so frequencies below 40 Hz will also be sent to the 100s, but reduced in volume. The manual is a little vague about setting the crossover frequency so I am assuming 40 Hz is an option.

Calibrate your sub and listen.

Another option is to set the output to PLUS. This will send 40 Hz and below to both the 100s and the SVS.

Calibrate your sub and listen. This may not be the optium setting since the 100s and SVS may cancel each other out resulting in poor bass.

For 5.1 Home Theater use I would set the crossover to 80 Hz instead of 40 Hz.

Hope this helps!

Hell all I am looking to try some new speaker cables
Shoud I look to get Bi-wire or run Full range with the speakers jumpers on my Paradigm 40's ?I power them with a denon 3805

you can get 12awg single from monoprice or ram it will work as
good and maybe better than anything else and its snake oil free.

Hell all I am looking to try some new speaker cables
Shoud I look to get Bi-wire or run Full range with the speakers jumpers on my Paradigm 40's ?I power them with a denon 3805

Yeah, what Oztech said. Don't buy into the hype. Cable is cable, though you should consider lower gauges for longer runs. Also, bi wiring does nothing. Bi-amping on the other hand does have some theoretical benefits.

Hi I have Paradigm 7semk3`s for my fronts. I`m looking for a center and know the cc-300 is my obvious choice. I can buy some cc-370`s amd mini monitors V.3 for $350. Is that a good deal?? How good is the 370 as a center?? Would it match decent with the 7semk3`s?? I`m currently have sbs-01 set as my center and surrounds.Would these be a step up?? These r my 1st Paradigm speakers so any info would help. Thanx

I would you like to share my experience with my new acquire Paradigm speakers. I got a pair of Esprit V4 and a CC370.

Im not an audiophile like many of you on this forums. When I got my first my HITB, like any newbie, I got lure by the Peak Watts announced by the manufacturer. I didn't even know it if was decent. I took my decision base on the fact that it was a 6.1 HTIB with a 1000W sticker on the front. After a year or 2 of owning that Onkyo HITB, same thing kept bothering me : I always always to play with the volume because I couldn't hear the dialogue. I must of spend hours trying to play with the AMP settings. Again, I didn't really understand what a crossover settings was for.

To make a story short, I'm a neophyte. After crawling for months on AVSforums, you have educated me in what I should look for. So I went on a quest to find a new center a a pair of front speakers. Started with Athena, Polk Audio, Klipsch and Infinity but they all sounded the same to me. They all had differences but nothing that really jump out and said "WoW". So today, I found a paradigm dealers (based of AVSForums recommendation). It was the first time that I ever listen a center (CC370) that really stand out has being way better then anything I've listen before. It was a great experience.

When I connected everything at home, for the first time in years, I've listen to a movie without touching the remote control. The difference it's like day and night.

Symtex, congrats on your purchase. Did you try out the Mini-Monitors as the center channel you referenced, the CC370 is in the same product line, the Monitor Series. The Esprit is in the Performance series, one step lower than the Monitor Series, so going with the CC-270 is probably a better match and cheaper alternative for a center channel.

Symtex, congrats on your purchase. Did you try out the Mini-Monitors as the center channel you referenced, the CC370 is in the same product line, the Monitor Series. The Esprit is in the Performance series, one step lower than the Monitor Series, so going with the CC-270 is probably a better match and cheaper alternative for a center channel.

After listening to the CC370, i couldn't bring myself to settle for the CC270. It just too outstanding to pass on it.

So How much did u pay for the 370?? I`m still trying to find out if the 370 and the mini monitor v3 is a bargain for 350. Also if anyone knows how it will compare to the svs speakers. I know the 7semk3`s are awesome and really looking forward to trying some other paradigm models.

So How much did u pay for the 370?? I`m still trying to find out if the 370 and the mini monitor v3 is a bargain for 350. Also if anyone knows how it will compare to the svs speakers. I know the 7semk3`s are awesome and really looking forward to trying some other paradigm models.

I paid around 375$ CAN for the CC370

I would try to avoid having the speaker set that far back and against a wall. Those aren't the best conditions for good sound quality. I have seen special center speaker stands that allow you to place your center on top of a TV that has an angled back. The stand has two short legs on the back that compensate for the slopping back of the TV.

As I write this, I was able to find one for you. Try this.

http://www.racksandstands.com/Sanus-TVSb-and-TVSc-276SY0054.html

Cheers,

- TimTim, Unfortunately the CC370 is about 10 pounds too heavy for this stand. I looked at the others at this site and none will work because they would place the speaker directly in front of the components located in the Sony stand holding the SXRD. It looks as if a compromise is in the making.

No, it won't. I have that exact stand I use with my Sony direct view 34XBR960 to support my CC370.

You might try a stand which attaches to the wall and extends out like an arm to position the CC370 directly over the screen. I have seen pictures of this setup. It looks like the speaker is floating above the set from the front, but a little awkward from the side. Of course if you move the Sony you will have to relocate the mount also so positioning is critical.

ChuckChuck, have you any idea where to find one of these "extension" stands? Thanks.

Hi guys, I just received my studio 60's and cc570. Unfortunately they seem to have been roughed up quite a bit during shipping and I might have to return them. On my 60's when I connect the speaker wires to the bottom speaker jacks I only get sound from the bottom two drivers, when I connect them to the upper speaker jacks I only get audio from the top driver. It seems that biwiring may fix this but I was under the impression these do not have to be biwired in order to get all drivers working properly. All speakers are powered by a H/K avr 635. Any help would be appreciated.

Hi guys, I just received my studio 60's and cc570. Unfortunately they seem to have been roughed up quite a bit during shipping and I might have to return them. On my 60's when I connect the speaker wires to the bottom speaker jacks I only get sound from the bottom two drivers, when I connect them to the upper speaker jacks I only get audio from the top driver. It seems that biwiring may fix this but I was under the impression these do not have to be biwired in order to get all drivers working properly. All speakers are powered by a H/K avr 635. Any help would be appreciated.
are your straps intact connecting the binding posts
and are the muti way posts screwed down tight.

Hi guys, I just received my studio 60's and cc570. Unfortunately they seem to have been roughed up quite a bit during shipping and I might have to return them. On my 60's when I connect the speaker wires to the bottom speaker jacks I only get sound from the bottom two drivers, when I connect them to the upper speaker jacks I only get audio from the top driver. It seems that biwiring may fix this but I was under the impression these do not have to be biwired in order to get all drivers working properly. All speakers are powered by a H/K avr 635. Any help would be appreciated.

As oztech said, make sure the gold jumpers are securely in place and the endcaps are screwed down tightly.

Im a little lost with all the terms but I tightened up the banana plugs as much as possible. I double and triple checked everything and all connections seem to be tight and in place. For setting up the wires I followed these instructions http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/Speaker_cable_termination.pdf Still having the same problem, my next step is to just go ahead and buy some biwirable cables and see if that works.

Hoof

Did the speakrs come with gold metal plates for the binding posts? They should have came with the speakers. If you did not get them a way to get the same result is to take 2 small pieces of wire (2 pieces for each speaker) and hook it up so that it connects the same binding posts together. So you will have one wire that is connected to the two red posts and one wire that is connected to the black posts. That should get all the drivers to work. That is basically what the gold metal plates do that come with the speaker. After that you can hook up the banna plugs to either the top or bottom posts and all the drivers should be working.

Golden-Eagle

hey guys ive been looking at reference studio 60s and studio 40s... are the studio 60s worth the extra cash?? or do the studio 40s do just fine on a nice stand

hey guys ive been looking at reference studio 60s and studio 40s... are the studio 60s worth the extra cash?? or do the studio 40s do just fine on a nice stand

Unless you have a small room or plan to use a subwoofer all the time, I will recommend the 60s over the 40s. Adding the cost of a nice stand to the 40s makes it almost the same price as the 60s.

I have the 60s v2 and it fills up my 13x20x8 room nicely.

hey guys ive been looking at reference studio 60s and studio 40s... are the studio 60s worth the extra cash?? or do the studio 40s do just fine on a nice stand
40s and a set of nice stands will cost about the same, maybe a little less, as 60s. When all said and done the price difference is only in the 100-200 dollar range. The question is, do the 60s sound $200 better to you? If the answer is yes, get the 60s. With either you will also need a good sub.

40s and a set of nice stands will cost about the same, maybe a little less, as 60s. When all said and done the price difference is only in the 100-200 dollar range. The question is, do the 60s sound $200 better to you? If the answer is yes, get the 60s. With either you will also need a good sub.

Unless you are a bass freak, the 60s will give more than enough bass under normal listening level.
Keep in mind they are not real full range. But I dont feel the need to turn on my sub during 2 channel listening.

Perhaps if you're only listening to music and not very loudly, the 60s are enough for music. If you're using them for HT at all, a sub is definitely needed. Even with 100s it's needed.

How did you do that?
I set the tweeter side through the surround back speakers and set the advanced menu to bi-amp. (see p19 of the manual) I left the bass in speaker B terminals on the receiver. Works fine. Seems to have a better bass response now. I was confused by the picture before and if you look real closely there's a break line that shows the other speaker connections go to the surround back terminals.

Sorry took so long to post response.

Glenn

I set the tweeter side through the surround back speakers and set the advanced menu to bi-amp. (see p19 of the manual) I left the bass in speaker B terminals on the receiver. Works fine. Seems to have a better bass response now. I was confused by the picture before and if you look real closely there's a break line that shows the other speaker connections go to the surround back terminals.

Sorry took so long to post response.

Glenn

No problem, thank you for responding.

Unless you are a bass freak, the 60s will give more than enough bass under normal listening level.
Keep in mind they are not real full range. But I dont feel the need to turn on my sub during 2 channel listening.
I have the 100 v3's and even they benefit from the addition of a sub. Sure, you don't need one, but it doesn't take a bass freak to appreciate the extra low end that a sub adds even in 2-channel listening. Especially when you're talking Servo low end...:D

J.

By the way, here's a pic of the speaker terminal jumpers.

J.

Hello gotchaforce,

One thing to consider is that Studio 20 and 40 are front ported, whereas the Studio 60 is rear ported. I have the 60, and it seems to me that if it is less than a foot away from the rear wall the bass sounds bloated to me.

The Studio 60, by the way, is almost full range - I listen mostly to classical music, and it sounds fine without subwoofers at relatively low volumes. However, for some types of music (grand organ, or orchestral) a subwoofer definitely helps - and if you are driving the speakers with a low end receiver as I am the sub helps to reduce the strain on the receiver.

Regards,
Sejin.

Hoof

Did the speakrs come with gold metal plates for the binding posts? They should have came with the speakers. If you did not get them a way to get the same result is to take 2 small pieces of wire (2 pieces for each speaker) and hook it up so that it connects the same binding posts together. So you will have one wire that is connected to the two red posts and one wire that is connected to the black posts. That should get all the drivers to work. That is basically what the gold metal plates do that come with the speaker. After that you can hook up the banna plugs to either the top or bottom posts and all the drivers should be working.

Golden-Eagle
By the way, here's a pic of the speaker terminal jumpers.

J.
Thank you!!! This is my first set of high end speakers and they didnt come with a manual, didn't know I had to do that. They sound amazing now, thanks again guys :D

Chuck, have you any idea where to find one of these "extension" stands? Thanks.


Try this site:

http://www.htmarket.com/home-theater-furniture-speaker-mounts.html

Unless you are a bass freak, the 60s will give more than enough bass under normal listening level.
Keep in mind they are not real full range. But I dont feel the need to turn on my sub during 2 channel listening.
I have 100's v3, I don't think I'm a bass freak, and my sub is allways on. I think a good sub is a must for movies, TV and 2 channel music.

Hello gotchaforce,

One thing to consider is that Studio 20 and 40 are front ported, whereas the Studio 60 is rear ported. I have the 60, and it seems to me that if it is less than a foot away from the rear wall the bass sounds bloated to me.

The Studio 60, by the way, is almost full range - I listen mostly to classical music, and it sounds fine without subwoofers at relatively low volumes. However, for some types of music (grand organ, or orchestral) a subwoofer definitely helps - and if you are driving the speakers with a low end receiver as I am the sub helps to reduce the strain on the receiver.

Regards,
Sejin.

My Studio 60 v2 is front ported !! Are you sure yours is rear ported ?

I have 100's v3, I don't think I'm a bass freak, and my sub is allways on. I think a good sub is a must for movies, TV and 2 channel music.
It depends a lot on whether the setup is in a enclosed room or is open to other areas of the house.
I have a Velodyne DD-12 but I only use it for movies or any 5.1 source.
For 2 channel listening, I find the studio 60 fills up my avg size room nicely.
of course it will not give you the low end a good sub would, but I dont think myself missing anything. Just my preference.
On the other hand, I have also tried a pair of monitor, similar to the Studio 20, and it definitely lacks bass in my room.

And another member already mentioned it also depends on what you drive it with.

My Studio 60 v2 is front ported !! Are you sure yours is rear ported ?
Hello wongmb,

I have a v3 - it has one port at the front and one at the back.

Regards,
Sejin.

Hi,
I have a question for Gurus.

Room size is 13(wide) X 7(height) X 22(logical size since behind the couch there is still 15 X 13 of open space).

I have Studio 60s, 20s, CC570 and Servo 15.
Wondering if I need to do the treatment on both walls and front wall? What would you suggest for the back wall which is 15ft away. Anything needed for that? I couldn't add a partition wall at 22ft since this is all the space I have in my basement. I had to skip the back wall to make it a multi-purpose room.

-Thanks!

pandababu, I suggest you look at the Acoustic Treatments Master Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=255432) in the Dedicated Theater Design & Construction (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=19) forum.

That will give you a bunch of information on how best to treat your room. I applaud your consideration of it too, as that is going to affect your sound quality much more than different speakers in the same manufacturer's line.

At the rear, you'll need absorption material so that the delay from the first reflection off the back wall isn't so long, resulting in comb filtering even in mid frequencies (as opposed to the typical high) due to the extra 30' of round-trip distance.

What is the ideal way to connect the PW2100 sub? My receiver, Panny XR57 has a sub out for which I got a sub cable that'll split the right and left but in the owners manual it states only to use the "Left". What should I go with? use the splitter and connect both L/R or just a single into the Left?

What are the bottom 2 connections for?

Thanks,
Robert.

Hello wongmb,

I have a v3 - it has one port at the front and one at the back.

Regards,
Sejin.

I see. Interesting design. Both front and back port

Hi,
I have a question for Gurus.

Room size is 13(wide) X 7(height) X 22(logical size since behind the couch there is still 15 X 13 of open space).

I have Studio 60s, 20s, CC570 and Servo 15.
Wondering if I need to do the treatment on both walls and front wall? What would you suggest for the back wall which is 15ft away. Anything needed for that? I couldn't add a partition wall at 22ft since this is all the space I have in my basement. I had to skip the back wall to make it a multi-purpose room.

-Thanks!

I have similar size room (13x20x8). From the dimension you have given, it sounds like you are placing your speakers right against the front wall. If it allows, I would move the speakers at least 2' from the back wall. Do the same for the side wall but not the same distance though.

For e.g my studio 60v2 are 5' from the front wall, 3' from the side wall. I sit about 8
' from the speaker.

Even with that setup, adding acoustic treatment for first reflection, etc helps tremendously in sound staging and clarity. It also tame the echo slap that was present in my room before.

I have similar size room (13x20x8). From the dimension you have given, it sounds like you are placing your speakers right against the front wall. If it allows, I would move the speakers at least 2' from the back wall. Do the same for the side wall but not the same distance though.

For e.g my studio 60v2 are 5' from the front wall, 3' from the side wall. I sit about 8
' from the speaker.

Even with that setup, adding acoustic treatment for first reflection, etc helps tremendously in sound staging and clarity. It also tame the echo slap that was present in my room before.

where exactly is your first reflection point?

where exactly is your first reflection point?
I use the mirror method.
At the end, I ended up adding 2'x4' acoustic foam pretty much on all 4 walls. But I make sure the room does not sound too dead at the same time.

I use the mirror method.
At the end, I ended up adding 2'x4' acoustic foam pretty much on all 4 walls. But I make sure the room does not sound too dead at the same time.

what is the mirror metod?

I use the mirror method.
At the end, I ended up adding 2'x4' acoustic foam pretty much on all 4 walls. But I make sure the room does not sound too dead at the same time.

what is the mirror method?

http://www.bryston.ca/newsletters/34_files/vol3is4.html

Scroll down to the middle "A sound treatment". Good read and describe what to look for when treating a room.

http://www.bryston.ca/newsletters/34_files/pic3.jpg

I can't read the diagram, HELP!

The diagram basically describe where the first reflection points are, etc.

Another description of the mirror test:
http://www.auralex.com/auralex_acoustics_faqs/mirrortest.asp

Lots of other info in the Auralex web site

Thanks, got it now

Question for the Paradigm connoisseurs: I am planning to get the Studio 40 and CC-470 for my home theater. My receiver will be an Outlaw 970/7125. Will the subwoofer I get make a great difference? I want to save some $$ so was thinking in getting the Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus Subwoofer instead of a Paradigm, like the ADP 470 is that a sin? or will it work?

In order to make suggestions on a sub I would need to know the number cubic feet the room is including adjacent rooms with openings to HT room. Also, do you just like regular loud or shake the foundation loud?

Nick

What is the ideal way to connect the PW2100 sub? My receiver, Panny XR57 has a sub out for which I got a sub cable that'll split the right and left but in the owners manual it states only to use the "Left". What should I go with? use the splitter and connect both L/R or just a single into the Left?

What are the bottom 2 connections for?

Thanks,
Robert.


Got it all figured out! Thanks RobertR1, you've been a great help!

Well, as of this afternoon, my Reference 5.1 is complete! Our local dealer had their quarterly 25% off sale and I finally snagged the ADP-470's (to replace our ADP-170's) to accompany my Studio 100's, CC570, and Servo-15. I've got to run the auto-eq setup on my 3805 tomorrow, but 5-channel "The Unforgettable Fire" was spectacular with the 470's. I've been working on this setup for over 2 1/2 years, so it's a relief to finally have it complete...for now! What great speakers! :)

J.

what is the current price on the servo-15.

I have no idea. I searched around online for a Servo in cherry to match the rest of my speakers and found one used in Chicago for $800. However, UPS dropped the box and superficially dinged one of the rear corners of the Servo and sold it to me via UPS salvage for $165. Now that's a bargain! I believe the list price for the v1 was $1795 and the going rate for the v2 is $2500...ouch! :eek:

J.

Help please,
I finishing a new room 20x18x8 with an additional 4x7x8 entry area

- - will bookshelve speakers work in this room or are floorstanders warranted?

I don't listened at extremely high levels. Although my wife differs. At least not for majority of the usage.

Help please,
I finishing a new room 20x18x8 with an additional 4x7x8 entry area

- - will bookshelve speakers work in this room or are floorstanders warranted?

I don't listened at extremely high levels. Although my wife differs. At least not for majority of the usage.
Even though some will tell you it will work with a decent sub, I would definitely go for floorstanders if I were you. Unless you really spend the time to dial in a sub and has the calibration software to do it (such as the one that comes with the Velodyne DD series), its not as easy to match a bookshelves with the sub as it seems.

Hi all,

I'm fairly new here and would like some advice about the attached files.

The "Room Layout.pdf" file shows my room and the locations I was considering for the surround and rear speakers. Both the surround and the rear speakers will be approx. 8 feet above the floor.

So far, I have decided to get Paradigm Studio 60 for the mains and either the CC-470 or CC-570 for the center. The "future subwoofer" in the file is no longer future as I have purchased an Outlaw LFM-1Plus/SMS-1 combo when it was on sale.

I am considering the Axiom QS8 speakers as well as the Paradigm ADP-470, but am leaning towards the QS8's because of price.

I swapped E-mails with Axiom about the surround speaker locations, which ended up with a recommendation that I use a 5.1 system in lieu of 7.1 with the sorround speakers located as shown in "red" color on the attached "Room Layout - Axiom Recommended.pdf" file. They said that I didn't need 7.1 with the couch so close to the rear wall, which actually makes a lot of sense. They said that if I just had to have a 7.1 system, that the 2 rear speakers should be placed as shown in the "green" color in the photo.

The Axiom QS8 has the downfiring woofer, as opposed to the ADP's side-firing woofers (driver). My questions are as follows:

1. For my room, would you also recommend a 5.1 system?

2. Would having the ADP's with their side-firing woofers make a difference in whether I could go with a 7.1 system or stay with a 5.1 system?

3. If I go with the ADP's in a 5.1 configuration, would you recommend Axiom's proposed surround speaker locations over those I originally was going to use?

4. If I go with the ADP's in a 7.1 configuration, would you recommend Axiom's proposed surround and rear speaker locations over those I originally was going to use?

All comments are appreciated.

Thanks.
Alan

Hi

New to this thread.... First Alan what software did axiom use to generate that layout? Does paradigm have a similar service?

Anyway I have a set of studio 20's; they sound good after a week but a little midrangy and a little muddy in the lower midrange...

Is this typical/normal? What are strategies to deal with this? Also, I like the studio 20 but the center and surrounds are very expensive; what are others using for centers and surrounds that match well for 5.1 music but don't cost $$$$$$.

Also looking to upgrade my AVR, recommendations appreciated...Looking for sound quality over features but if it had HDMI 1.3 for multichannel digital ins that would be awesome (and impossible to find just about hehe except for Denon and one or two others maybe).

I'm a carver amp fan so anything that has the power and transients of the carver would be great..

SDA10

you could use 20's all around and save over the adp's and center
and for muti-channel music this would be ideal regardless the
soundfield would be seamless.

that is also a very expensive option though and the form factor of the studio 20's doesn't really lend itself well to a center channel.... looking for something more affordable than that if possible

SDA10,
I made the original layout with AutoCAD. I'm sure Axiom just manually scanned & modified the layout to suit their experience.
I don't think Paradigm has somebody at the factory to ask specific questions. I haven't talked with my local Paradigm dealer about their recommendations for the surrounds yet as my purchase is still several months away - I'm still saving the $. I wanted to get advice from owners on placement.
The Studio 60's/Studio CC/ADP combination sounded wonderful at a friend's house who has this setup. He has a 7.1 system, but also has 6 to 8 feet behind his couch, unlike my layout, which has very little behind the couch.

Alan

that is also a very expensive option though and the form factor of the studio 20's doesn't really lend itself well to a center channel.... looking for something more affordable than that if possible

I have three 20s as my LRC. I originally had the matching center, but did not like the sound, price or size. Buying a single 20 to use as my center is on of the best audio decisions I have made. I have had no audible issues placing it on its side on a shelf below the display. I have had it that way for six years and could not be more pleased. The font sound stage is fantastic.

Nick

Hi

Had the chance to audition some Energy C5's today; was rather impressed; what's the take here on the energy's versus the studio 20's? I thought the c5's had a more expansive soundstage and less woofy midrange..... Thoughts?

SDA10

Hi


Anyway I have a set of studio 20's; they sound good after a week but a little midrangy and a little muddy in the lower midrange...

Is this typical/normal? What are strategies to deal with this?



SDA10

Speaker positioning associated equipment, room acoustics/treatment, and if all else fails, digital EQ.

I owned the 20v3s, driven by a Rotel receiver, for almost a year, originally had the same problem, until I moved the speakers to the "right spot".

I have since traded them in for Studio 60s, driven by an Aragon amp. The 60s were actually easier to place in my room.




Hi

Had the chance to audition some Energy C5's today; was rather impressed; what's the take here on the energy's versus the studio 20's? I thought the c5's had a more expansive soundstage and less woofy midrange..... Thoughts?

SDA10

Try out as many speakers in your room, with your equipment, to find out what works best for you (to whatever extent you want to pursue the issue). Just about anything is going to take some effort to satisfy. To be honest, I think the opinions on this thread will be a little bias. :D

I am preparing to upgrade my 7 year old cerwin vega speakers. I've been thinking about replacing them with paradigm speakers for quite a while. My plan is to replace my front L & R 312's first. As luck would have it I found a shop that is discontinuing there demo room and selling a pair of studio 100 v.3 for $1700 usd.
I was wondering how good of a price this is? The speakers are in great condition, albeit used. If I were to buy them, would my Onkyo TXDS797 suffice until I eventually get a new receiver/amp? I read a few posts in this forum and some think that a $1000 receiver suffices and others recommend a 2 channel amp.

The shop also has a Seismic 12 for $1299. I already have a 15'' cerwin vega powered sub that gives me plenty of bass. I'm wondering how much of an improvement the Seismic would be. Unfortunately, the demo room is no more and so I can't readily demo the sub. I have listened to the studio 100s though and so I am aware of their quality first hand (or should it be ear?).

the 100's go for around 2400 and the 12 usually
is sold for 1700 i own the 100's and am completely
satisfied with them have not demoed the seismic
but i got s chance to hear and feel the servo-15
that thing is a beast and hopefully next on my
upgrade list.

You'll definitely want some external amplification for the 100s...they'll really shine when you give them tons of power. That's not to say that an average AVR can't power them sufficiently, but they'll really open up and howl when fed a well balanced diet of power. I had my 100s powered with a Denon 3805 for over a year and a half and it wasn't until I added an Anthem MCA-20 that I realized how much the 100s benefit from the extra power that the amp provides. I'd look for something in the 200-300 wpc range.

I've not had an opportunity to demo the Seismic, but I'll agree with Oz that the Servo is a definite beast of a sub. I've heard and read good reviews of the Seismic, but for your needs, I might add a decent amp for now and think about the sub down the road. The 100s can dig pretty deep even without a sub, but if you're looking for deep, tight bass there's no substitute for a good subwoofer.

J.

BTW, those prices are pretty good for Paradigms, but a lot of dealers (ours included) will offer as much as 25% off msrp during a good sale. That would put the 100s at $1800 for a brand new pair...worth the extra bill if you ask me.

J.

I had my 100s powered with a Denon 3805 for over a year and a half and it wasn't until I added an Anthem MCA-20 that I realized how much the 100s benefit from the extra power that the amp provides. I'd look for something in the 200-300 wpc range.

J.

roughly how much is the Anthem MCA-20 ?

I picked mine up for about $850 on sale...well worth it to give those greedy 100s what they need! :)

J.

do you guys think 40's need extrnal power or is a denon 3805 fine for them ?

The 40s max out at 140w, so I don't think that you need more than what the 3805 has under its hood...unless you're driving a full 7.1. with some demanding speakers. Otherwise, the 3805 should do the trick just fine. That's not to say that the 40's wouldn't benefit from some additional power, or that the 3805 might appreciate a little help driving your setup, but it should suffice. However, if you get the itch...the Anthem PVA-2 might be a nice addition. :)

J.

I second the MCA20 or any of MCA series by Anthem.
I have a MCA5v2 and it FEEDS my 60v2 well. :)

do you guys think 40's need extrnal power or is a denon 3805 fine for them ? Yes & Yes. It all depends on volume levels, a function of room size, and/or how much of a critical listener you are. If you’re in a large room and play at moderately loud levels and fancy yourself an audiophile then the Denon amp's perceived shortcomings may become apparent to you sooner, than if you were in a small room listening at relatively low levels and don’t obsess over instruments correctly placed in space. :rolleyes: That said, since getting my initial system of 20's and a Denon 3802 I've added outboard amplification and pre-amplification :o

Thanks My room is on the larger size since it is shared with a dining room The room is 14Ft wide & fires across this way the length is 25 ft long. So IF I get a 2 ch amp will my center be out of wack OR will it help improve my center since the load is taken off L&R ? I am only concerned with 2 ch for music HT is fine I run 5.1

Try with just the 3805. As long as you run the speakers small (which you should do IMO unless you have a crappy sub and in that case get a decent sub before you starting adding external amps) you will not be taxing the 3805.

Nick

My sub is a PDR8 Not the best sub in the world My Major complaint is lack of lows @ low listning volumes

Hello Everyone,

Quick question
My brand new C3 is quieter than my S4's
Will C3 get lauder after 2 months of usage
S4's are about 4 months old and are powered by A2
C3 is powered by Rotel RMB-1075
I have to boost it by about 6db's to balance my speakers. Everything else is at 0 or -1
THX

Sage advice from Nick, the 3805 and a good sub tweaked for flat in room response may yield better results than outboard amplification. Bear in mind my 3802 didn't have anywhere near all the features of the 3805, especially auto Room eq and crossover points lower than 80hz. The latter partly expedited my purchase of external amps and crossovers mostly for music. Good luck and good listening.

I know from all your input that the set up from my 3805 should be
Speakers SMALL
Crossover 80 HZ
BUT This is what sounds best to me
Speakers set to LARGE
Crossover @ 150 HZ
Sub set to LEF & MAIN
Set the crossover wide open @150 on the PDR8 and run input about 75% on the sub.

Antman27.I don't mean to offend,but your sub is woefully inadequate for that size of room. Is a sub upgrade on the horizon? Paul

I know from all your input that the set up from my 3805 should be
Speakers SMALL
Crossover 80 HZ
BUT This is what sounds best to me
Speakers set to LARGE
Crossover @ 150 HZ
Sub set to LEF & MAIN
Set the crossover wide open @150 on the PDR8 and run input about 75% on the sub.
I sense a bass fiend in you. There’s one in us all. Paul is right, ultimately, I think you’ll need a better performing sub.

The 40’s are first and foremost bookshelf speakers that should be set to small and crossed over to a sub anywhere from 50hz and up.

They are designed to finesse (in my opinion) in the highs and mids with just enough bass to seamlessly handoff to a capable sub.

Setting the 40’s to large, setting any bookshelf to large as a matter of fact, will result in poor performance.

In lieu of a better performing sub, you should, If you haven’t already, position your current sub as close to your listening position as possible i.e. nearfield, to get as much chest thumping bass an 8 inch woofer, a 100 watt continuous amp in a relatively small box can give you in a large room, i.e. not much.

Don’t forget to post in the Amp/Receiver thread and sub threads for more detailed answers.

Good luck & good listening.

Hello Everyone,

Quick question
My brand new C3 is quieter than my S4's
Will C3 get lauder after 2 months of usage
S4's are about 4 months old and are powered by A2
C3 is powered by Rotel RMB-1075
I have to boost it by about 6db's to balance my speakers. Everything else is at 0 or -1
THX


That's strange. My C3 matches the output of my S4s. I bought them all at the same time, but I can't imagine you are going to realize a 6dB increase in sensitivity after break in. Could be a difference in amp gain. Try temporarily connecting the C3 the either the Left or Right channel of the A2 and keep one of the S4s on the other channel. Play a test tone through each to see if the difference is still there. If it isn't, I think you can just chalk it up as a difference in amp gain and not worry about it. If the difference is still there, it seems to me that the C3 is defective and you should get it repaired or replaced.

That's strange. My C3 matches the output of my S4s. I bought them all at the same time, but I can't imagine you are going to realize a 6dB increase in sensitivity after break in. Could be a difference in amp gain. Try temporarily connecting the C3 the either the Left or Right channel of the A2 and keep one of the S4s on the other channel. Play a test tone through each to see if the difference is still there. If it isn't, I think you can just chalk it up as a difference in amp gain and not worry about it. If the difference is still there, it seems to me that the C3 is defective and you should get it repaired or replaced.
THX
I will try that in the morning, and will keep you posted

My sub is a PDR8 Not the best sub in the world My Major complaint is lack of lows @ low listning volumes

I own one too, what a horrible sub. Throw it out the window and get a real sub. And I say that in the context of how in the world is Paradigm selling such a dreadful product. Mine never gets used and never will. I have a Hsu VTF-2 and Rocket UFW-10 and these subs actually perform their intended duties unlike PDR8.

Nick

THX
I will try that in the morning, and will keep you posted
Same thing
Contacted my dealer to see what they can do to help,
I'm only 10 min from paradigm factory maybe I should go straight to them

I know from all your input that the set up from my 3805 should be
Speakers SMALL
Crossover 80 HZ
BUT This is what sounds best to me
Speakers set to LARGE
Crossover @ 150 HZ
Sub set to LEF & MAIN
Set the crossover wide open @150 on the PDR8 and run input about 75% on the sub.

Adding to my previous post, tweaking your system is not possible while the PDR8 is in the picture. I would remove it from the system, and throw it from a second floor window so you are never tempted to use it again. Use the mains only until you get a decent sub.

Nick

I have a question about stands. I need stands for my Titans which are serving as my rear/surrounds. Ideally the speaker should be about 31-36" off the floor. Would you suggest one of the "Premier" stands found on the Paradigm website, or do you have a good recommendation other than the Premier stands? Thanks guys (and gals?)!!

LOL Now that would be fun to trrow the sub off the roof !
bass fiend Yes that is me Not only am I setting my 40s to large BUT at low listning I go +6 on the bass and set a manual EQ with the lows boosted .
Not to get off the Paradigm thread but waht subs should I be looking into for a room 14X25 and that room opens into a 12X 12 room also I will post some Pix
When I get a new sub I would like one with a small footprint
Thanks and no offence taken

Just like to state for the "record", that I run a Servo 15 with my Studio 40s. I would suggest contacting SVS, give your room dimensions and they will recommend a suitable model. Just don't expect a small footprint.

I need stands for my Titans which are serving as my rear/surrounds. Ideally the speaker should be about 31-36" off the floor. Would you suggest one of the "Premier" stands found on the Paradigm website, or do you have a good recommendation other than the Premier stands? Thanks guys (and gals?)!!
- www.partexpress.com has some nice stands you can use for the Titans. The Premier stands are very nice, but are quite expensive.

I used to have our Titans on Sanus's Natural Foundation stands...pretty decent stands with a variety of finishes and heights, and a good price can be had with a bit of looking.

J.

LOL Now that would be fun to trrow the sub off the roof !
bass fiend Yes that is me Not only am I setting my 40s to large BUT at low listning I go +6 on the bass and set a manual EQ with the lows boosted .
Not to get off the Paradigm thread but waht subs should I be looking into for a room 14X25 and that room opens into a 12X 12 room also I will post some Pix
When I get a new sub I would like one with a small footprint
Thanks and no offence taken
if your a critical music listener a servo-15 or a velo hgx-15
would fill the bill.

Has anyone heard the new Millenia™ 200's yet. My wife is pushing for small bookself plasma friendly, but the new Millenia 200's would sound much better.


I reviewed them a couple weeks ago. Millenia 200 Review (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=711539)

I am preparing to upgrade my 7 year old cerwin vega speakers. I've been thinking about replacing them with paradigm speakers for quite a while. My plan is to replace my front L & R 312's first. As luck would have it I found a shop that is discontinuing there demo room and selling a pair of studio 100 v.3 for $1700 usd.
I was wondering how good of a price this is? The speakers are in great condition, albeit used. If I were to buy them, would my Onkyo TXDS797 suffice until I eventually get a new receiver/amp? I read a few posts in this forum and some think that a $1000 receiver suffices and others recommend a 2 channel amp.

The shop also has a Seismic 12 for $1299. I already have a 15'' cerwin vega powered sub that gives me plenty of bass. I'm wondering how much of an improvement the Seismic would be. Unfortunately, the demo room is no more and so I can't readily demo the sub. I have listened to the studio 100s though and so I am aware of their quality first hand (or should it be ear?).

the 100's go for around 2400 and the 12 usually
is sold for 1700 i own the 100's and am completely
satisfied with them have not demoed the seismic
but i got s chance to hear and feel the servo-15
that thing is a beast and hopefully next on my
upgrade list.

You'll definitely want some external amplification for the 100s...they'll really shine when you give them tons of power. That's not to say that an average AVR can't power them sufficiently, but they'll really open up and howl when fed a well balanced diet of power. I had my 100s powered with a Denon 3805 for over a year and a half and it wasn't until I added an Anthem MCA-20 that I realized how much the 100s benefit from the extra power that the amp provides. I'd look for something in the 200-300 wpc range.

I've not had an opportunity to demo the Seismic, but I'll agree with Oz that the Servo is a definite beast of a sub. I've heard and read good reviews of the Seismic, but for your needs, I might add a decent amp for now and think about the sub down the road. The 100s can dig pretty deep even without a sub, but if you're looking for deep, tight bass there's no substitute for a good subwoofer.

BTW, those prices are pretty good for Paradigms, but a lot of dealers (ours included) will offer as much as 25% off msrp during a good sale. That would put the 100s at $1800 for a brand new pair...worth the extra bill if you ask me.

J..

Thanks for the input. I picked up the 100s yesterday for $1600. Only now, I've caused problems for myself. My system is no longer complete. Now I've got to get the ADPs and CC to go along with the 100s. Unfortunately, immediately buying everything is not an option. What should I acquire next? I've decided to replace my sub last. I could get a 2 channel amp for my 100s as recommended for my next purchase or get the ADPs or CC next. Listening to my system, it seems that my weakest link is my surrounds, which stears me toward getting the ADPs next. However, I'm inclined to go with the CC because of its critical role as a center channel. I would like to know the thoughts of others regarding my upgrade path.

I agree that the CC makes the most sense. Then the sub. Then the surrounds. But this is the importance of each speaker relative to one another. If you have a particularly weak link, then you may have to change the order.

CC-570 definitely next....

Sounds like you are not happy with your surrounds. CC-570 first for sure, ADPs then sub. You can get very good bass from your 100s in the mean time.

Quick question:

I currently own an Onkyo TX-SR603X receiver, and while waiting for my studio 20's, I currently have monitor 3's on loan. I only have the monitor 3's, CC-370, and an Accoustech H-100 (until my SVS PB-10 comes in) connected to the receiver. I'm planning on going to radio shack and buying a sound meter when my studio 20's come in to avoid calibrating twice.

I was wondering what the best settings would be when it comes to Speaker Level DBs setting. Does the sound meter from radio shack help adjust this? I am assuming that they need to be changed from where I currently have them set because the volume on my receiver is almost all the way up for normal listening.

Thanks

What should I acquire next?...I would like to know the thoughts of others regarding my upgrade path.
Unless most of your usage is 2-channel music (like mine...in which case I'd recommend the amp and then a sub), I'd go for the CC570 first. Then you can add the surrounds, sub, and amp in whichever order you prefer.

Congrats on the 100s...they're awesome speakers!

J.

the 570 center first
the adp surround next or 20v3
sub
then an amp if you feel the need.

I just purchased a used PDR-10 off of e-bay and it didn't come with a manual. I've looked on Paragdigm's site, but no manuals.

Can someone post the PDR-10 manual.

Thanks,

Anyone want to recommend a few good AVR's with good punch and transient handling for Studio 20's?

SD A10

Same thing
Contacted my dealer to see what they can do to help,
I'm only 10 min from paradigm factory maybe I should go straight to them
My C3 is at the doctors (paradigm)
I did get a factory tour.
Should have it back on Tuesday or Wednesday the latest :(
Will keep you posted on what they found

Anyone want to recommend a few good AVR's with good punch and transient handling for Studio 20's?

SD A10
SD
Whats is your budget ?

Well, I'd like to keep it <$1000

SD A10

Hi again,
I posed a few questions about rear and surround speaker placement for my room in Post 1824 and haven't had any bites yet.
Is this type of post best placed in the Main "speaker" forum in lieu of the "Paradigm Owner's" forum?
Thanks.
Alan

Hi all,

I'm fairly new here and would like some advice about the attached files.

The "Room Layout.pdf" file shows my room and the locations I was considering for the surround and rear speakers. Both the surround and the rear speakers will be approx. 8 feet above the floor.

So far, I have decided to get Paradigm Studio 60 for the mains and either the CC-470 or CC-570 for the center. The "future subwoofer" in the file is no longer future as I have purchased an Outlaw LFM-1Plus/SMS-1 combo when it was on sale.

I am considering the Axiom QS8 speakers as well as the Paradigm ADP-470, but am leaning towards the QS8's because of price.

1. For my room, would you also recommend a 5.1 system?

2. Would having the ADP's with their side-firing woofers make a difference in whether I could go with a 7.1 system or stay with a 5.1 system?

3. If I go with the ADP's in a 5.1 configuration, would you recommend Axiom's proposed surround speaker locations over those I originally was going to use?

4. If I go with the ADP's in a 7.1 configuration, would you recommend Axiom's proposed surround and rear speaker locations over those I originally was going to use?

All comments are appreciated.

Thanks.
Alan

I would go with the CC570 and the ADPs for the rears.

Start with the 5.1, you can always add two speakers later if you feel the need and as your budget allows.

You say the speaker will be 8' above the floor, is it safe to assume they will be wall mounted? If wall mounted, is there a way you can mount them temporarily without messing up the wall?

My suggestion is this. Figure out how you can set them up temporarily in the green spots. Get a copy of Master and Commander The Far Side of the World. Pop it in, pump up the volume, close your eyes, and listen for the first 15 minutes.

Wipe the grin off your face, move the speakers to the red spots and repeat.

Do this several times until you decide which sounds better then mount the speakers and enjoy.

Well, I'd like to keep it <$1000

SD A10

Denon 2807

I would go with the CC570 and the ADPs for the rears.

Start with the 5.1, you can always add two speakers later if you feel the need and as your budget allows.

You say the speaker will be 8' above the floor, is it safe to assume they will be wall mounted? If wall mounted, is there a way you can mount them temporarily without messing up the wall?

My suggestion is this. Figure out how you can set them up temporarily in the green spots. Get a copy of Master and Commander The Far Side of the World. Pop it in, pump up the volume, close your eyes, and listen for the first 15 minutes.

Wipe the grin off your face, move the speakers to the red spots and repeat.

Do this several times until you decide which sounds better then mount the speakers and enjoy.


Thanks for the reply.

Yes, the speakers will be wall mounted.

A temporary setup sounds like a good idea. I have run the pull strings for the surround/rear speakers, but haven't actually pulled the cables yet.

Would a couple of step ladders work to put the speakers on or would they "vibrate" off the top? I could then run my speaker cables across the floor to 'try" the sound at the different locations. This would let me avoid messing up the walls!

Thanks for the reply.
Alan

Would a couple of step ladders work to put the speakers on or would they "vibrate" off the top? I could then run my speaker cables across the floor to 'try" the sound at the different locations. This would let me avoid messing up the walls!

Thanks for the reply.
Alan

A couple of ladders should work fine. Keep your eye on the speakers but the chances of them vibrating off are pretty slim.

Denon 2807

Hi
Why 2807 and not 3806? Is there as good/better amp than the denons in terms of sound or money? Ive never owned a denon amp and i'm only semi pleased with my denon 1920 universal player

SD A10

Hi
Why 2807 and not 3806? Is there as good/better amp than the denons in terms of sound or money? Ive never owned a denon amp and i'm only semi pleased with my denon 1920 universal player

SD A10
Denon makes great players and amps. The 1920 is one of their lower-end players. I think if you went up a notch to the 29XX series, you'd see a major difference. As for the 2807 rather than the 3806, it's <$1K (street price) as you specify. Also, I think the HDMI switching may be updated, if that's important to you. If you can wait a month of so, however, the 2807 is being updated to to the 2807CI which, while being 100 wpc, rather than 110, like the 2807, will be less money and offer iPod compatibility, improved HDMI switching, XM surround and some other updates.

Hi
Why 2807 and not 3806? Is there as good/better amp than the denons in terms of sound or money? Ive never owned a denon amp and i'm only semi pleased with my denon 1920 universal player

SD A10

As s2silber said, it's below your $1K max.

Well the 2807 is around $800 street from what I can tell and the 3806 is around $999 street from what I can tell, both of which I could afford...

One thing I dont like about the 2807 is only 2 HDMI inputs... what other brands offer more bang for the buck than denon? I've heard good things about some of the high end onkyos..how do those fare?

Dunno if NAD, adcom etc has anything in my range (prolly not)

SD A10

Well the 2807 is around $800 street from what I can tell and the 3806 is around $999 street from what I can tell, both of which I could afford...

One thing I dont like about the 2807 is only 2 HDMI inputs... what other brands offer more bang for the buck than denon? I've heard good things about some of the high end onkyos..how do those fare?

Dunno if NAD, adcom etc has anything in my range (prolly not)

SD A10

The 2807 has an ipod port that the 3806 does not have. The 3806 only has 2 HDMI inputs as well if memory serves me right.

Right but the 3806 has more power I think..how do they compare sound wise to the new pioneer vsx 84 that has 4 hdmi?

And what are their CI line how is that different? More ipod stuff?
SD A10

Hi again,
I posed a few questions about rear and surround speaker placement for my room in Post 1824 and haven't had any bites yet.
Is this type of post best placed in the Main "speaker" forum in lieu of the "Paradigm Owner's" forum?
Thanks.
Alan
I would consider a 6.1 setup
Here is your reorganize layout

SanDiego-

With a feature-set and a price tag and a bit of homework, you'd probably have better luck than simply polling fellow Paradigm owners. Otherwise, see if you can find a local dealer that will let you do an in-home audition, or at least spend some time at their shop and check out the AVRs in depth. Just a suggestion...

J.

Well the 2807 is around $800 street from what I can tell and the 3806 is around $999 street from what I can tell, both of which I could afford...

One thing I dont like about the 2807 is only 2 HDMI inputs... what other brands offer more bang for the buck than denon? I've heard good things about some of the high end onkyos..how do those fare?

Dunno if NAD, adcom etc has anything in my range (prolly not)

SD A10

1. Aside from some different features the 3806 and the 2807 will otherwise be indistinguishable from each other.

2. The differences in sonic signature between mid range receivers is so small compared to say moving one of the speakers six inches one way or the other that I suggest one buys what they like or has the features they want and move forward.

3. The above are my opinions and experiences, so agree, disagree that's fine. It's your money, get what pleases you. I bought a 3806 a while back, I like it, no regrets.

Nick

I would consider a 6.1 setup
Here is your reorganize layout

Elmac,

Interesting option. I've heard that a disadvantage to a 6.1 system is that with only one speaker behind you, you're ears may tell you that the sound is actually coming from the front of the room. Would this be the case with an ADP that has 2 tweeters & 2 woofers?

Would the distance between the couch and the rear wall still be a factor in placing an ADP behind the couch? I know the QS8 coouldn't do this because of it's downfiring woofer, but I can't think of a reason this wouldn't work using an ADP with its side firing tweeters/woofers, unless you get the feeling that the sound is coming from over your head as opposed to behind you. If the ADP is 8' high, would I have this problem?

Thanks.
Alan

Elmac,

Interesting option. I've heard that a disadvantage to a 6.1 system is that with only one speaker behind you, you're ears may tell you that the sound is actually coming from the front of the room. Would this be the case with an ADP that has 2 tweeters & 2 woofers?

Would the distance between the couch and the rear wall still be a factor in placing an ADP behind the couch? I know the QS8 coouldn't do this because of it's downfiring woofer, but I can't think of a reason this wouldn't work using an ADP with its side firing tweeters/woofers, unless you get the feeling that the sound is coming from over your head as opposed to behind you. If the ADP is 8' high, would I have this problem?

Thanks.
Alan
Hey Alan

Based on your setup looks like you have about 2' behind you couch

Thats will be just fine

ADP on sides and a CC on the back firing towards listening position
You will be surprise how well this will sound.
Don't forget before you test this setup to set your speakers with the sound meeter (please do not use auto equalization with single mike. Some of them are as much as +-2Dbs and having 4Dbs spread is huge for HT application)

When you get your ADP's try it and let your ears be a judge
keep as posted on the outcome.

Anyone here vertically bi-amping their center?

Since I upgraded my H.T. L/R speakers from studio 20s to 60s, I found that my Rotel 1055 receiver was having a hard time driving them plus my CC570 center.

By pulling my Aragon 8008BB amp off my 2 channel system, on to the 60s, they sounded much better. So I have decided to keep them there, and use Aragon power across all three front channels. The cheapest way to do this was to buy a used 8002 Aragon off the Audiogon. (Thanks for the idea, Steve Donalson of Klipsch!)

This amp is very similar to the 8008 series, except it is rated at 125 wpc, instead of the 200 wpc rating of the 8008 ST/BB models. Since it is a stereo amp, and my Rotel receiver has 2 “center” pre-outs, I figured I could hook it up in a passive/vertical bi-amp configuration (I already have the center bi-wired).

I don’t know how much extra performance I will get from this, just seems like a waste to use just half of a stereo amp for the center.

Hey Alan

Based on your setup looks like you have about 2' behind you couch

Thats will be just fine

ADP on sides and a CC on the back firing towards listening position
You will be surprise how well this will sound.
Don't forget before you test this setup to set your speakers with the sound meeter (please do not use auto equalization with single mike. Some of them are as much as +-2Dbs and having 4Dbs spread is huge for HT application)

When you get your ADP's try it and let your ears be a judge
keep as posted on the outcome.

Elmac,

I just want to understand this setup a bit more. You are recommending using a CC-470 (or CC-570) for the rear speaker over using an ADP? ... and this rear CC speaker should be used on the back wall with its tweeters/woofers facing the entertainment center?

I do plan on buying a RadioShack meter for equalization.

Thanks again.
Alan

i would not lay a 570 on its back there are 2 ports in the
rear if covered will alter the sound the 470 has a single
port on the front center.

Elmac,

I just want to understand this setup a bit more. You are recommending using a CC-470 (or CC-570) for the rear speaker over using an ADP? ... and this rear CC speaker should be used on the back wall with its tweeters/woofers facing the entertainment center?

I do plan on buying a RadioShack meter for equalization.

Thanks again.
Alan
Hey Alan,
I would point the tweeter/woofer towards your listening position so you would have to angle it down
This is correct I would try 470 to see how it sounds
You will be really surprize
I used centre channel with my Integra DTR7.1 receiver about 4 years ago it sounded amazing

Been reading this thread for the last 10 minutes as I'm soon to be getting a set of Paradigm 100's and CC-570 as the center, a guy locally tried to tell me the 470 is actually a better center because of the size of the drivers... can anyone tell me if he is right? I think not, the frequency response still seems to me to be perfect....

Also why do alot of people not use the ADP surrounds and use 20's or 40's as surrounds... when is this beneficial?

For now I am going to take the hafler amps I have running my Tannoy Precision 8's and use them but what amps would people recommend as I will eventually get some more...

Been reading this thread for the last 10 minutes as I'm soon to be getting a set of Paradigm 100's and CC-570 as the center, a guy locally tried to tell me the 470 is actually a better center because of the size of the drivers... can anyone tell me if he is right? I think not, the frequency response still seems to me to be perfect....

Also why do alot of people not use the ADP surrounds and use 20's or 40's as surrounds... when is this beneficial?

For now I am going to take the hafler amps I have running my Tannoy Precision 8's and use them but what amps would people recommend as I will eventually get some more...

I have the 470, with Studio 20s. I think with the 100s, the 570 is a better match though. You can't go wrong either way though.

Many people dont' buy the ADP surrounds, as they are MUCH more expensive than running directs. I run Paradigm Atoms as my surrounds (5.1 system).

Also, some people like the direct sound, as opposed to dipoles.

The ADPs are only about 20% more ($200) per pair.

I'd definitely go with the 570s (that's my setup now as well), and in no way would I say the 470 is actually better than the 570, especially with 100s.

After I throw my PDR8 from my second story window (as suggested ) and upgrade my sub my next upgrade MAY be my center
I now own
40's V.3
CC Studio (V.1) ?
PDR8 V.1
Cinemas 90 V.3
Will a 470 be a major improvement over the CC Studio .
I also was thinking of using atoms in the rear since my rears are on the back wall that my sofa sits against (not sure how ADPs would work against the back wall that you sit against.)
Any thoughts

Also why do alot of people not use the ADP surrounds and use 20's or 40's as surrounds... when is this beneficial?


If you have a decent SACD or DVD-A collection you may want to consider the 20s or 40s over the ADPs. Best thing to do is listen to both and go with what you like better.

if you use it for movies mostly you may like the adp better
like john said i listen to dvd-a and sacd 50% of the time
so 20's worked better for me plus they are 6.5 feet behind me
so they still work good for movies.

Hey all,

I would much appreciate any advice on my proposed 7.1 setup. I already am a proud owner of the Monitor 7's v.4 and am ready for the rest of my setup to take shape.

Fronts: Monitor 7's v.4 (paid $600)
Center: CC-370 (quoted $329)
Surrounds: ADP-370's (quoted $460)
Backs: Mini-Monitors (quoted $369)
A/V Receiver: Denon AVR2807 (paid $875)
Sub: SVS PCi 20-39 (quoted $599)

Does anyone have a similar setup? I have auditioned all of the above with the exception of the sub. I love Paradigm and I am on a bit of a budget or I would be looking at their Studio Reference line. Knowing that the ADP's are dipoles presents some mix reviews, however my system will be utilized 70% for movies/tv, and 30% music. I feel that I have adequate enough space behind my couch to place the rears on speaker stands. Placement of the sub is to be determined not sure if behind my couch or up front with the entertainment center will result in the best performance. Well I would love opinions or advice, and I thank you in advance. The price quotes have some flexibility, can anyone tell me what I should be looking to pay with the exception of the sub (online ordering only) . Again thank you.

aeh10:

I have Monitor 5's; a CC-370; two ADP170's on the sides and two Atoms in back and a SVS 25-31PCi being driven by a Marantz Sr5500 in my smallish basement home theater. I think it sounds terrific.
I have Ref 40's; a CC-470; (4) ADP-470's and a Paradigm PW-2200 sub in my main largish home theater.
The basement room sounds nearly as good as the main room. I don't think you need to spend as much as you are considering for your surrounds and backs.

Been reading this thread for the last 10 minutes as I'm soon to be getting a set of Paradigm 100's and CC-570 as the center, a guy locally tried to tell me the 470 is actually a better center because of the size of the drivers... can anyone tell me if he is right? I think not, the frequency response still seems to me to be perfect....

Also why do alot of people not use the ADP surrounds and use 20's or 40's as surrounds... when is this beneficial?

For now I am going to take the hafler amps I have running my Tannoy Precision 8's and use them but what amps would people recommend as I will eventually get some more...
I would use personally CC-570 for any of the following speakers 20's, 40's, 60's or 100's
Don't forget for HT you are receiving about 60% more sound out of the centre channel than any other speaker. the remaining 4.1 or 6.1 channels are only for effects.
570 will be more detail than 470 for any HT setup.
Just my $0.02

aeh10:

I have Monitor 5's; a CC-370; two ADP170's on the sides and two Atoms in back and a SVS 25-31PCi being driven by a Marantz Sr5500 in my smallish basement home theater. I think it sounds terrific.
I have Ref 40's; a CC-470; (4) ADP-470's and a Paradigm PW-2200 sub in my main largish home theater.
The basement room sounds nearly as good as the main room. I don't think you need to spend as much as you are considering for your surrounds and backs.

Thanks Boxerboy,

How do you like the SVS sub it seems too good to be true for the price and it's almost incomparable low levels of bass. For the money I am not sure if there is a better sub manufacturer? Thanks again I am going forward with my setup.

aeh10:

I love the sub but I could never get away with the "ugly" but oh so functional trash can look in my main theater room. The SVS has the lowest WAF of any component - ever!

I need to get some suggestions for a set of paradigm (or other) surrounds.
My room is 13x19 and my couch is up against the back wall. I can move the couch
about 1-2ft off the wall, but that's all.

I currently have studio 60 v3's for my fronts & a cc570 for my center.

any suggestions?? studio 20,40, adp, monitor audio??????

aeh10:

I love the sub but I could never get away with the "ugly" but oh so functional trash can look in my main theater room. The SVS has the lowest WAF of any component - ever!
They can get uglier.. I'm planning on building two sonosubs (like the SVS cylinder but 6' tall and 2' around), but nobody will see them since they'll be hidden behind a false front wall. You can work around the aesthetics, given a large enough room of course (but if you have a smaller room, less sub is needed anyway).

I need to get some suggestions for a set of paradigm (or other) surrounds.
My room is 13x19 and my couch is up against the back wall. I can move the couch
about 1-2ft off the wall, but that's all.

I currently have studio 60 v3's for my fronts & a cc570 for my center.

any suggestions?? studio 20,40, adp, monitor audio??????
If you're that close to the back wall, definitely go with ADPs over directs, since you'll easily be able to pinpoint the sound with directs (20s). This assumes you use 7.1 though.

The thing is that it's going to be a 5.1. so i'm kinda stuck....

In that case it's not really a big deal how far away you are from the back wall. With 5.1 I'd still recommend dipoles on the side to disperse sound more given there are less sources that audio is coming from (6 instead of 8).

The ADPs are only about 20% more ($200) per pair.




Unless you go with Atoms for surrounds. I did -- sounds great.

I need to get some suggestions for a set of paradigm (or other) surrounds.
My room is 13x19 and my couch is up against the back wall. I can move the couch
about 1-2ft off the wall, but that's all.

I currently have studio 60 v3's for my fronts & a cc570 for my center.

any suggestions?? studio 20,40, adp, monitor audio??????

20s IMO.

Nick

20s IMO.

Nick


Where would i install them???

Where would the best best place for instalation be????

I need to get some suggestions for a set of paradigm (or other) surrounds.
My room is 13x19 and my couch is up against the back wall. I can move the couch
about 1-2ft off the wall, but that's all.

I currently have studio 60 v3's for my fronts & a cc570 for my center.

any suggestions?? studio 20,40, adp, monitor audio??????

You should ask you dealer, or Paradigm about this, but how about a pair of Paradigm in-walls, mounted either in the walls or ceiling?

Yeah, I've got the Paradigm Reference SR15's, in-ceiling, and like them alot.

Thanks for all the replies guys, think I will have to have a listen to the dipoles vs 20's/40's

What you think of using my Hafler transnova P3000 (2x150w) to power the speakers ? I would end up getting something else later was thinking rotel but I've been hearing alot about the odyssey khartago's and they seem like good bang for buck

i would have to agree with tim the adp's at that close to the back wall.

i would have to agree with tim the adp's at that close to the back wall.

What do you think the best position would be? I have a window about 28'' away from the back wall & 15" from the ceiling.

Don't know what to do, I 've been at this for about 3 weeks now.

someone in a thread once mentioned using varying
height step ladders and playing with the location
until it sounded its best.

How do you think they will sound with music??
I'm 60% music, 40% ht....

i personally use the 20's for the rears but they
are 6.5 feet behind me i listen 50/50 music and ht.

Hey guys, I bought a pair of 60's and a cc570 a couple of weeks ago. I am returning the 60s due to some damage during shipping (the drivers suffered some damage). Even with the damage the 60s sound great at times and pretty crappy at other times. My room is about 12 x 12, my question is would I be better off getting the 20s instead of the 60s given my small room size? Ive read a couple of posts here suggesting the 20s would sound better in a smaller room. The thought of saving up a bit and getting the 100s instead of the 60s has also crossed my mind, but would of course dimiss this idea if the room size is really a big factor.

Hey guys, I bought a pair of 60's and a cc570 a couple of weeks ago. I am returning the 60s due to some damage during shipping (the drivers suffered some damage). Even with the damage the 60s sound great at times and pretty crappy at other times. My room is about 12 x 12, my question is would I be better off getting the 20s instead of the 60s given my small room size? Ive read a couple of posts here suggesting the 20s would sound better in a smaller room. The thought of saving up a bit and getting the 100s instead of the 60s has also crossed my mind, but would of course dimiss this idea if the room size is really a big factor.

60s is as big a speaker you want in your room unless its heavily acoustic treated.

20s or 40s is prob all you need. Get a nice sub when you feel the need to kick the bass up a nodge.

I am looking at Paradigm again as well.

My question is about the rears. In my basement one side wall is not full length as it leads up to a stairway.

My room is 13 x 18 but one of the walls only goes 10 feet of the 18 feet.

My question is if I use the ADP for rears would I lose some sound on the one side that points towards the opening leading to the stairs.

With that said should I use Direct firing rears ...........this is 7.1 by the way.

thank you,

I am looking at Paradigm again as well.

My question is about the rears. In my basement one side wall is not full length as it leads up to a stairway.

My room is 13 x 18 but one of the walls only goes 10 feet of the 18 feet.

My question is if I use the ADP for rears would I lose some sound on the one side that points towards the opening leading to the stairs.

With that said should I use Direct firing rears ...........this is 7.1 by the way.

thank you,

Kernie,

I have never attempted my ADP's for rears, and I am not sure if this helps, but I would sugest direct firing rears to you. I currently run mini-monitors as my Surround Backs, and either these or atoms should do just fine. I just feel that with the opening you would infact lose some sound through the opening if I understand your dimensions correctly, or cause some of the sound to be improportional. A possible solution may be to use the ADP's like you wanted and with the Audessey function calibrate your settings, to show the one ADP to be farther away than the other. I just worry that if you have too much deflection of sound it may become somewhat muddied. Well I jope this helps I prefer direct firing for the rears and for surrounds my ADP's, but do what works best for you. Listen.....

Looking for Opinions on Purchase of Paradigm Monitors

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Spoke to a Dealer yesterday and his recommendation was as follows:

Monitor 7
ADP 170
CC370
PW-2100

My Room is about 30 feet in depth and starts at about 14 feet wide and opens up to 22 feet wide (after about 12 feet) and then opens up to 30 feet (after about another 12 feet).

The 30 foot wall is covered with 1-3 inch cork (done by previous owner) and seems to work wonders acoustically even with my current junk system.

My question basically is do I really need the Monitor 7s or should I go with the 3s or 5s? (his rationale was that the 5s plus stand are the same price as the 7s -- as well as go with a lower end rear and put the money into the Fronts).
Also, if I did go the 7s do I really need a sub? Would the sub 'muddy' the mids in anyway??
Just wondering if the 7s are 'too much' or if it will definitely be better than the 5s or 3s. Primary use will be movies and HDTV as my new 50" Plasma wil be coming this month once available in Canada.

Thanks for any and all input as I am fairly PUMPED to embark into some quality speakers.

Also, in due course I will upgrade my cheap Sony Receiver to an ARCAM AVR300.

Thanks and I look forward to some experienced opinions!!

Cheers!

Could we break this thread into PARADIGM STUDIO REFERENCE OWNERS THREAD, PARADIGM MONITOR OWNERS THREAD, etc...

this thread is big and getting bigger and....well..it's just a thought

Anyway who wants to recommend some amps/avr for my paradigm 20s and some cheaper center and surround solution than what's offered in the reference line but would still match well.

I'm a man of limited means, not unlimited means like some of those OTHER posters ;)

SD

Looking for Opinions on Purchase of Paradigm Monitors

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spoke to a Dealer yesterday and his recommendation was as follows:

Monitor 7
ADP 170
CC370
PW-2100

My Room is about 30 feet in depth and starts at about 14 feet wide and opens up to 22 feet wide (after about 12 feet) and then opens up to 30 feet (after about another 12 feet).

The 30 foot wall is covered with 1-3 inch cork (done by previous owner) and seems to work wonders acoustically even with my current junk system.

My question basically is do I really need the Monitor 7s or should I go with the 3s or 5s? (his rationale was that the 5s plus stand are the same price as the 7s -- as well as go with a lower end rear and put the money into the Fronts).
Also, if I did go the 7s do I really need a sub? Would the sub 'muddy' the mids in anyway??
Just wondering if the 7s are 'too much' or if it will definitely be better than the 5s or 3s. Primary use will be movies and HDTV as my new 50" Plasma wil be coming this month once available in Canada.

Thanks for any and all input as I am fairly PUMPED to embark into some quality speakers.

Also, in due course I will upgrade my cheap Sony Receiver to an ARCAM AVR300.

Thanks and I look forward to some experienced opinions!!

Cheers!

Im planning on purchasing all most the same setup from Paradigm minus the sub and the 170(goin SVS for the sub and ADP-370 for rears) If your mainly movies you def want a sub. I'm no pro, just my 2cents.

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/SiteParadigmProduct/ParadigmModels/SystemChoice/Mon7_System.html

Could we break this thread into PARADIGM STUDIO REFERENCE OWNERS THREAD, PARADIGM MONITOR OWNERS THREAD, etc...

this thread is big and getting bigger and....well..it's just a thought

Anyway who wants to recommend some amps/avr for my paradigm 20s and some cheaper center and surround solution than what's offered in the reference line but would still match well.

I'm a man of limited means, not unlimited means like some of those OTHER posters ;)

SD

Due to space considerations and WAF, I use 4 of the Cinema ADP's for surrounds matched with Studio 40's and the CC570. I'm sure the ADP470's would sound better but at 5 times the size it wasn't going to happen in my livingroom. The Cinema ADP's work quite well though regardless. I had to dial them up 5db's to match with the fronts but it works quite well.

I wouldn't go with a cheaper centre if you can avoid it though. The centre is vital if you are using your system for a lot of HT viewing. If I didn't have the CC570, I would have gone with no centre in phantom mode until I could have afforded it. I should mention also that I had the CC470 for about 4 days until I took it back and traded for its big brother. The difference is quite noticable - especially in the mids.

. I would have gone with no centre in phantom mode

I've tried that but to me the sound is incredibly phase distorted; it just sounds bad.... I don't know if it's my amp or if they all sound bad with a phantom center on the processing; but my cheap onkyo center sounds better than phantom center on the studio 20's (for DD/DTS anyway).

I'm just not into movies enough to spring for a center channel that costs as much as my fronts did; it just seems outlandish. Why bother to even make the studio 20's if the center is $700-$900? That's fine for people with Studio 100's, but for Studio 20's ....I'd rather have a $1400 pair of mains than an $800 mains and an $900 center.... :(

SD

Looking for Opinions on Purchase of Paradigm Monitors

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spoke to a Dealer yesterday and his recommendation was as follows:

Monitor 7
ADP 170
CC370
PW-2100

My Room is about 30 feet in depth and starts at about 14 feet wide and opens up to 22 feet wide (after about 12 feet) and then opens up to 30 feet (after about another 12 feet).

The 30 foot wall is covered with 1-3 inch cork (done by previous owner) and seems to work wonders acoustically even with my current junk system.

My question basically is do I really need the Monitor 7s or should I go with the 3s or 5s? (his rationale was that the 5s plus stand are the same price as the 7s -- as well as go with a lower end rear and put the money into the Fronts).
Also, if I did go the 7s do I really need a sub? Would the sub 'muddy' the mids in anyway??
Just wondering if the 7s are 'too much' or if it will definitely be better than the 5s or 3s. Primary use will be movies and HDTV as my new 50" Plasma wil be coming this month once available in Canada.

Thanks for any and all input as I am fairly PUMPED to embark into some quality speakers.

Also, in due course I will upgrade my cheap Sony Receiver to an ARCAM AVR300.

Thanks and I look forward to some experienced opinions!!

Cheers!


Well Waz,

Im not sure about an experienced opinion but I will try to assist in anyway possible. I currently run a 7.1 setup with:
Monitor 7's
CC-370
ADP 370
Mini Monitors
(Cheap) Sony Sub

As far as your choice for the Monitor 7's they are an awesome speaker, what I like best about them is their low bass response. I feel that your mains should match timbre with the center and the CC-370 with the 7's does exactly that. So far I think you are 2 for 2. The ADP-170's, I auditioned them sounded good but were a lacking the 'engulfing' sound field that the ADP-370's offered. I used my mini-monitors as surrounds for 3 months and was truly impressed. Since the ADP-370's are 2 mini-monitors in one I knew that the mini-monitors could hang with the rest of my setup for the time being. I would look at SVS' PCi 20-39, its frequency response curves shows me that for the money it is one of the best out there, however I dont have it to audition.... yet, but that is my next purchase. Paradigm subs are good but I think a litte overpriced for what you get, IMO. However it is your preferences for sound that will move you to purchase what you want with your money. I use my system 70% movies, games, TV and 30% Music. I hope this helps with your purchase. Remember that the whole system doesnt have to be bought at one time, audition, go with what sounds good to you. Listennn......

Hey guys, I bought a pair of 60's and a cc570 a couple of weeks ago. I am returning the 60s due to some damage during shipping (the drivers suffered some damage). Even with the damage the 60s sound great at times and pretty crappy at other times.

Are you sure it's the speakers and not the source material that sounds crappy?

The quality of a large number of todays recordings is awful. I not referring to a defective disc, I mean the recording itself is bad as in the sound engineer could care less about the final product.

I'm finding this across all types of music. Not so much in classical, but jazz recordings are going down hill. Any top 40, R&B, rock, dance, etc. is hit or miss at best.

Thank you Aeh10 and DrPainMD!!

Very Helpful.

I will definitely look at the SVS PCi 20-39 and that should free up the dollars to get the better rears ADP370s.

Looking forward to the new sound system (I also will use it primarily for movies, HDTV and gaming -- some music) and the New 50" Panasonic Plasma as soon as it is available in Canada.

Thanks Again!

Could we break this thread into PARADIGM STUDIO REFERENCE OWNERS THREAD, PARADIGM MONITOR OWNERS THREAD, etc...
Yeah, good luck with that at this point...! :eek:

this thread is big and getting bigger and....well..it's just a thought
That's what happens when you build quality speakers at varying price ranges for varying budgets...:) Like Mothra Stewart says, "It's a good thing."

Anyway who wants to recommend some amps/avr for my paradigm 20s and some cheaper center and surround solution than what's offered in the reference line but would still match well.
I've loved my Anthem MCA amp for my Studio 100's and have heard great things about their Statement line and PVA line, but haven't auditioned them personally. Check Audiogon or Ebay for gently used amps at good prices. I saw a member at Audioholics with a Statement D2 (225 wpc) for a good price...

I'm a man of limited means, not unlimited means like some of those OTHER posters ;)
Those damn posters...;)

J.

Anyway who wants to recommend some amps/avr for my paradigm 20s and some cheaper center and surround solution than what's offered in the reference line but would still match well.

... I saw a member at Audioholics with a Statement D2 (225 wpc) for a good price...

Eh? The D2 is a preamp/processor not a power amp. It's also pretty expensive - even used - for what he's looking for. You mean P2 or A2? The P series is the more expensive line. So, he could save more with a used A2, or A5 for 5 channels.

Also, studio 20s don't need that much power. I think he'd be fine with a good Onkyo or Denon AVR.

The one thing I would keep in mind with an AVR, however, is flexibility to upgrade. With most entry level to mid range AVRs, what you see is what you get, and if you want more power or something, you have to scrap the whole thing for a new one. If you want to make your system somewhat future proof, consider an AVR that allows you to add on separate power amps and such, or consider going separates.

Going the separates route for studio 20s, I'd recommend a used Bryston 3BST, which can be had for about $800-$900. Bryston amps also come with a 20 year transferable warranty. So even when buying one used, you'd be covered by a warranty for years to come. When buying used, I would look at ads that are within your area or AV shops that deal in used equipment. That way, you can see/hear what you are getting first, and know that you're not going to get ripped off.

Personally, if I were going Studio 20s at the front, I'd go with the 20s for the rears too and a 470 for the center. Keep in mind that it's possible to get a 10-15% discount. However, for someone that's not into HT as much, I dunno. You could try the 370 for the center and some mini monitors or ADPs for the rear, but demo it at the shop first to make sure you're comfortable with the way it sounds. Talk to the people at the shop about it. They may be able to give you a deal on display models or something.

Is the Millenia series currently in stores? How does it compare to the Cinema and Studio series?

Eh? The D2 is a preamp/processor not a power amp. It's also pretty expensive - even used - for what he's looking for. You mean P2 or A2? The P series is the more expensive line. So, he could save more with a used A2, or A5 for 5 channels.

Also, studio 20s don't need that much power. I think he'd be fine with a good Onkyo or Denon AVR.


You may also want to consider an entry level AVR paired with the Anthem MCA 20 or the Parasound 2125. Both are 2 channel to handle the 20s and the AVR can take care of the center ans surrounds.

Are you sure it's the speakers and not the source material that sounds crappy?

The quality of a large number of todays recordings is awful. I not referring to a defective disc, I mean the recording itself is bad as in the sound engineer could care less about the final product.

I'm finding this across all types of music. Not so much in classical, but jazz recordings are going down hill. Any top 40, R&B, rock, dance, etc. is hit or miss at best.
That could be it, the main reason I think it sounds crappy at time is because of the driver damage that the speakers suffered during shipping. Just wondering if Id be better off getting the 20s given my small room space, but according to wong the 60s will do just fine.

You may also want to consider an entry level AVR paired with the Anthem MCA 20 or the Parasound 2125. Both are 2 channel to handle the 20s and the AVR can take care of the center ans surrounds.

That'd work if he can find an entry level AVR that has the option of hooking up a separate power amp. The AVR, basically used as a preamp for music, wouldn't be of the same quality as the power amp, but he'd always have the option of replacing it with a good preamp/processor later. On the other hand, if he got a preamp/processor to start with, he'd need a 5 channel power amp or multiple power amps - adding to the cost. So, the AVR would be a cost effective way to go providing he can hook up a separate power amp.

When I was into AVRs, I went through 3 in less than a couple years because of limited options. I ended up with an Onkyo 919THX, which has ins/outs for just about everything - including separate power amps for all channels and a separate processor. Even though it's now about 12 years old, I could still use it because of the ability to add on to it. It wouldn't have all the new surround modes, but all you really need is stereo, DD, and DTS. I've never been a fan of pro-logic and music surround modes anyways, and the build quality of the 919 would smoke any entry - mid level AVR. However, I'll move on to separates once I pick up some new speakers.

There's an Onkyo 919THX with the ED-901 DD processor on eBay right now for $125, but the reserve is not met, and it doesn't look like it's in the best condition. Mine is still in mint. I take very good care of my stuff. Specially my Paradigm ADP 150s that sit in the box in a closet. lol I'm not a fan of dipolar speakers.

I also had a Carver TFM-35 hooked up to the Onkyo, which has a nice warm sound and lots of power at a reasonable price. If memory serves me correctly, I paid about $1500 for it, but I've seen them on eBay for about $500. However, it doesn't have the warranty that Bryston has, and I've heard that Carver got a bit ify after Bob left.

I'm thinking about an Anthem/Bryston combo now, but if I find a good deal on a Krell....

My thoughts on the Studio & Signature series:

The problem I have with the Studio series is that while they may sound great, nothing says cheap like vinyl and plastic. I know, an audiophile will argue that sound quality is what counts. Who cares what a speaker looks like as long as it sounds amazing, right? However, if I'm going to spend extra money on a quality product, in addition to performance, I consider aesthetics and build quality imporant too. It's all part of what makes a quality product.

If you consider that Onix makes a bookshelf speaker with real wood veneer for $220, why is it that the Studio 20 is only available in vinyl at nearly 4 times the price? To give Paradigm the benefit of the doubt, let's say they put everything into sound quality. Why not offer an upgrade to real wood veneer for a few hundred bucks more like Axiom? Let's be generous and say that if the vinyl was replaced with veneer and the plastic replaced with metal, the price of the Studio 100 would be increased to $3400 from $2400. $1000 dollars should cover the cost, no? That would give you a Studio 100 that looks just like the Sig 8 with a savings of about $2000. If Paradigm offered that, how many people here would still pay an additional two grand to get the Sig 8?

Is it any coincidence that they stop offering veneer on the Studio series as they release the Signature series? In my opinion, they're simply trying to create as much contrast as possible to sell the Signature series. It's easier to do that with aesthetics than with sound. Sound is subjective. Some people argue that cables make a difference in sound quality, and others argue that they make no difference. I can't help but wonder if some people would think something sounds better if you simply put a bigger price tag on it. However, a difference in aethetics hits you instantly and it's undeniable.

If you're only interested in sound quality, the Studio series offers good value. However, if you want the complete package, forcing people to spend more than twice the money for the Signatures instead of offering upgrades is ridiculous. Offering more options would give customers more value for their money, but Paradigm chooses not to do that, which is unfortunate for a company that's known for price/value.

Having said that, I was tossing around the idea of picking up a system based on the Studio 100s, but I'll probably go with an S2 based system for a little more, and skip tower speakers. In a surround sound system, it's the mids and highs that are important for the mains anyways. The sub picks up the rest.

Studio 100: $2400
Studio 20: $850
Studio cc 570: $900
Total Cost: $4150

or

Sig 2 (x2): $4000
Sig C3: $1600
Total Cost: $5600

Any Paradigm owners have the new Platinum finish? I can't find any pics of this finish inline.

My thoughts on the Studio & Signature series:

Studio 100: $2400
Studio 20: $850
Studio cc 570: $900
Total Cost: $4150

or

Sig 2 (x2): $4000
Sig C3: $1600
Total Cost: $5600

Sounds to me Pdigm speakers are not for you. There are 1000s of speaker options available. Why plunk down the kind of change you listed on speakers you're griping about. Onix and Axiom both make good products. Seems to me they offer what you're looking for.

Generally speaking, when you eliminate the middle man, i.e. sell via the 'net and not B&M you can charge less or add quality within a given price range.

Sounds to me Pdigm speakers are not for you. There are 1000s of speaker options available. Why plunk down the kind of change you listed on speakers you're griping about. Onix and Axiom both make good products. Seems to me they offer what you're looking for.

Generally speaking, when you eliminate the middle man, i.e. sell via the 'net and not B&M you can charge less or add quality within a given price range.

I like Paradigm speakers, just not crazy about the limited options for the Studio V3s. It's not a cost issue either because older versions had veneer. However, that wouldn't be an issue with the S2s.

You raise a good point about lowering cost by selling online, but Paradigm could offer more at an additional cost like they used to. If you want veneer from Axiom, it'll still cost you extra. This would give a bit of a middle ground between the Studios and the Sigs that would be my preference.

Certainly other speakers are worth checking out. I have been considering Onix, Axiom and Energy as well.

I can't help but wonder if some people would think something sounds better if you simply put a bigger price tag on it.Yes.
However, a difference in aethetics hits you instantly and it's undeniable.
It depends on your priorities, and in the case of Paradigm, whether you're willing to pay 2-3x the cost for a nicer looking speaker, and very slight performance increase relatively speaking (except in the case of the C5 and ADPs that have a significant driver differential).

Personally, I'm hiding all of my speakers, so I don't care how they look. It's also why my next upgrade will be to DIY speakers.

thats why i got mine in black ash they look fine and saved
me some cash to put in the system elsewhere.

I have this set-up in our family room, which joins the kitchen. No room treatments but even the wife said they sound great!!

Titan V.4 L/R
CC-170 Center
Atom for rear
PDR-10 Sub

I am very impressed with the range of this set-up. I haven't listened to anything that hasn't sounded great. And that is with a Denon AVR-65 receiver!!!!

I am thinking about upgrading that next.

After I throw my PDR8 from my second story window (as suggested ) and upgrade my sub(may look into the velo SPL-800r) is this to small in a 14x 25 room ) my next upgrade MAY be my center
I now own
40's V.3
CC Studio (V.1) ?
PDR8 V.1
Cinemas 90 V.3
Will a 470 be a major improvement over the CC Studio .
I also was thinking of using atoms in the rear since my rears are on the back wall that my sofa sits against (not sure how ADPs would work against the back wall that you sit against.)
Any thoughts

After I throw my PDR8 from my second story window (as suggested ) and upgrade my sub(may look into the velo SPL-800r) is this to small in a 14x 25 room ) my next upgrade MAY be my center
I now own
40's V.3
CC Studio (V.1) ?
PDR8 V.1
Cinemas 90 V.3
Will a 470 be a major improvement over the CC Studio .
I also was thinking of using atoms in the rear since my rears are on the back wall that my sofa sits against (not sure how ADPs would work against the back wall that you sit against.)
Any thoughts
try to listen to the 570 center i thought it sounded
better than the 470.

Hi guys, great thread, I have been a Paradigm fan for a long time myself, I have read thru a lot of the posts here, and decided to skip to the end and post a quick question.

I currently am running Paradigm Studio 40 v3s powered by a NAD 352 using audioquest type-4 bi-wire cables.

I am lookin to integrate a possible sub into my equation, I am 100% music with this rig.

I know someone who is selling a paradigm pw2100 v2 (I read the v4s werer the latest and better for music) any comments?

I was considering maybe upgrading to maybe the 100s, but I would also require a amp upgrade also, (I prefered the 40s over the 60s when I bought them, the 100s were at the time outta my price league).

Or do you think simply adding a sub will bring the 40s up a notch, I don't want earth shaking bass, I just want to extend it a lil lower, integrated perfectly without annoying my house mates too much :)

Thanks!

i would give the servo-15 alisten or a velo hgs=15 you did say music
and i prefer the 100's for music but i still like them with a sub.

Without taking the time to read through all the posts, I'm curious if any have paired the Studio 20s for the fronts with the cc570. I have subwoofers that will put out massive bass and I don't think towers are really necessary for my needs since 90% of my listening will be DVDs & games.

Without taking the time to read through all the posts, I'm curious if any have paired the Studio 20s for the fronts with the cc570. I have subwoofers that will put out massive bass and I don't think towers are really necessary for my needs since 90% of my listening will be DVDs & games.

Yes, I did for a while, and they matched fine. 20s on stands, 570 on top of RPTV. Have since upgraded from 20s to 60s.

Without taking the time to read through all the posts, I'm curious if any have paired the Studio 20s for the fronts with the cc570. I have subwoofers that will put out massive bass and I don't think towers are really necessary for my needs since 90% of my listening will be DVDs & games.

I have since moved up to the Signature series but I ran a 570 with both the 20's and 100's....You will be fine with what you want to do. The 20's are wonderful speakers.

Without taking the time to read through all the posts, I'm curious if any have paired the Studio 20s for the fronts with the cc570. I have subwoofers that will put out massive bass and I don't think towers are really necessary for my needs since 90% of my listening will be DVDs & games.

When I bought my Studio 20s six years ago I bought the CC center. Got everything home and besides the size problem I did not like the sound of the CC center. It sounded flat to me. I returned the CC center and my dealer was able to order a single Studio 20 for me to use as a center. It's one of the best audio decisions I have made. Having the three 20s up front provides a most beautiful sound stage. If you can still order a single 20 I highly recommend it. It's six years later and I still love the sound. I know one other person who had Studio 40s and returned his CC center to replace it with a single Studio 20 and was much happier with the sound as well.

Nick

Have a look at my set up
I think a 20 will be way to tall sitting on top of the TV

http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1183&pos=5

Can anyone tell me what they think about using a B&K Reference 200 s2 to power these speakers? I can't demo the amp with the speakers only seperately and with a pair of ProAc speakers the sound was awesome...

Thanks for the replies. I'll have to try the 570 with with the 20s from the dealer. They do have a 7 day return policy, i just feel awkward buying and taking them back if I'm not happy. I'm sure they'll accomodate it's just that it's not the same as taking back to a store like Ovation Audio where the guys are on commision as it is in BB or CC. And since I can't do an A/B comparison on my Polks I'll have to do it anyway. Gotta make sure I'm happy if I'm shelling out $3k:).

Have a look at my set up
I think a 20 will be way to tall sitting on top of the TV

http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1183&pos=5

Got the ole Sammy HLN huh? That was my first HDTV :D.

Yep I was told that upgrad aint anytime soon
It looks great (untill you put a new one side by side)

Have a look at my set up
I think a 20 will be way to tall sitting on top of the TV

http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1183&pos=5

No offense to the owner but its a waste to see such a capable speaker ends up with those placement and setup.

offence not taken -please elabroate

Have a look at my set up
I think a 20 will be way to tall sitting on top of the TV

http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1183&pos=5

I have mine placed horizontally on a shelf under the plasma. It is tilted up towards the sweet spot. I have not experienced any dispersion problems that one might think would occur with the horizontal placement.

YMMV, but as you can tell I am very happy with the current setup.

Nick

No offense to the owner but its a waste to see such a capable speaker ends up with those placement and setup.

Antman27 -

While I agree with Wong that your speaker set-up could be improved, it's by no means a shame. You will get much better imaging and a broader sound stage though if you can get the L / R speakers on proper stands out away from the sides of the TV and slightly in front of the AV cabinet.

Cheers,

- Tim

Antman27 -

While I agree with Wong that your speaker set-up could be improved, it's by no means a shame. You will get much better imaging and a broader sound stage though if you can get the L / R speakers on proper stands out away from the sides of the TV and slightly in front of the AV cabinet.

Cheers,

- Tim
i agree and tilt the center down.

Can the Monitor 7v.4 be bi-amped?

i agree and tilt the center down.


And...aren't Paradigms designed to be used with the grilles on? Even though they do look cooler the other way. :)

I do agree that the 40's need to be moved off of the AV cabinet BUT if I were to move them there I would get 60's NOT stands for the 40's
I thought this set up was more kid friendly althow it is not the best set up for the room .
I do use the grills but just took them off for the pix
I do have the center angled down let me know if you think it sould point down more

http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1183&pos=4

I do agree that the 40's need to be moved off of the AV cabinet BUT if I were to move them there I would get 60's NOT stands for the 40's
I thought this set up was more kid friendly althow it is not the best set up for the room .
I do use the grills but just took them off for the pix
I do have the center angled down let me know if you think it sould point down more

http://www.audiocircle.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1183&pos=4
I understand about the kids, mine are 3 and 18 months. You might try and move your TV and 40s forward to the edge of the cabinet. This way the flat, hard top of the cabinet would not immediately effect the 40s. Also, make sure the 40s are slightly in front of the TV. About the center, just point it at the sweet spot.

Just noticed the side view of your center. I have a similar setup with my CC570 and a DIY shelf. Try bringing the shelf to the top/front of the TV. Where the remote is in the pic. From there you can aim the cc down more and avoid interference from the TV.
Side note--Are you an electrician? I am an electrical contractor in CA. The parts you are using to support your cc look very familiar.

I currently have Atoms for the front speakers and surrounds and a CC-170 center channel (and a SVS 25-31 PC+ sub).
I really like this system, but I have a suspicion that there's a bit of a hole in the middle frequencies - I would like to get a bit fuller sound.

So, I'm toying with the idea of replacing the fronts with Mini-Monitors.
If I'm reading the specs right, the Mini-Monitors will give me that fuller mid-range sound.
But, the catch is that I don't want to/can't upgrade the center or surrounds.

So, would a system consisting of Mini-Monitors for the mains, CC-170 for the center, Atoms for surrounds (and the SVS for the sub) pose any problems?
If so, what are those problems? And, if you use a term like timbre matching in an answer, please expand on that a bit since I just don't have a good mental model of what that means. :)

Thanks,


Mitch

Nop not an electrician -Just have access to their stock room @ work :D :D
I did give the center a little bit more angle down

I currently have Atoms for the front speakers and surrounds and a CC-170 center channel (and a SVS 25-31 PC+ sub).
I really like this system, but I have a suspicion that there's a bit of a hole in the middle frequencies - I would like to get a bit fuller sound.

So, I'm toying with the idea of replacing the fronts with Mini-Monitors.
If I'm reading the specs right, the Mini-Monitors will give me that fuller mid-range sound.
But, the catch is that I don't want to/can't upgrade the center or surrounds.

So, would a system consisting of Mini-Monitors for the mains, CC-170 for the center, Atoms for surrounds (and the SVS for the sub) pose any problems?
If so, what are those problems? And, if you use a term like timbre matching in an answer, please expand on that a bit since I just don't have a good mental model of what that means. :)

Thanks,


Mitch

It seems to me like very reasonable upgrade. The Mini Monitors will certainly give you a fuller sound and there will no timbre issues to worry about. Atoms were my first surrounds and worked well for me even with Studio 20s up front. If you have not already doing it, make sure to set all your speakers to small and cross them over at 80Hz or so. What bass the Mini's have is a bit boomy so you want your sub to take care of the lows.

Nick

there is a good review of their outdoor speakers
on secrets of home theater and high fidelity web site
if anyone was interested.

It seems to me like very reasonable upgrade. The Mini Monitors will certainly give you a fuller sound and there will no timbre issues to worry about. Atoms were my first surrounds and worked well for me even with Studio 20s up front. If you have not already doing it, make sure to set all your speakers to small and cross them over at 80Hz or so. What bass the Mini's have is a bit boomy so you want your sub to take care of the lows.

Nick

Thanks for the input. Yes, I would be keeping the speakers set to small and let the sub handle the low stuff.

Thanks again,


Mitch

Can the Monitor 7v.4 be bi-amped?

Asking again :)

Asking again :)
yes if it has 2 sets of speaker posts with removable
straps between the 2 sets not familiar with the
monitor line.

yes if it has 2 sets of speaker posts with removable
straps between the 2 sets not familiar with the
monitor line.

Thanks but still does'nt answer my question.

http://www.axiomaudio.com/images/goldplated.gif


Speaker Post to remove

http://www.axiomaudio.com/images/goldplated.gif


Speaker Post to remove

those are axiom speakers, and still does'nt answer the question, Can the Monitor 7's be bi-amped?

Are there 2 sets of speaker post on your Monitor 7 ? IF so YES they can be Bi-amped
IF there is only one set of speaker posts than NO they can not be Bi-amped
IF there ARE 2 sets just be sure to remove the jumpers .

Are there 2 sets of speaker post on your Monitor 7 ? IF so YES they can be Bi-amped
IF there is only one set of speaker posts than NO they can not be Bi-amped
IF there ARE 2 sets just be sure to remove the jumpers .

No clue, I dont' own them. Thats why I'm asking :o

Thanks but still does'nt answer my question.

Ummm, yes it does.

Nick

Thanks but still does'nt answer my question.
I'm not sure what part of the answer "Yes" you don't understand. :confused: I'm able to bi-amp my Paradigm Studio 60s simply by sending the receiver's Front and Surround Back power outputs into the two sets of inputs as in the photo above. The only thing you need to check, with regard to the receiver, is whether you can direct those unused channels to the L-R fronts via the receiver's set-up menu. I know that can be done on Denon receivers. But, again, that's assuming that the back of your speakers look like the photo above.

I don;t own the Monitor 7's thats why I'm asking

Oztech said: yes if it has 2 sets of speaker posts with removable
straps between the 2 sets not familiar with the
monitor line.

He says yes "if" it has them and that hes not familiar with them. I've only been told that you can if they have 2 sets of binging posts (which I don't know cause I dont own them, so I can't verify if it does or does'nt. Sorry if it's unclear.

Maybe I'll re ask my question.

Do the Monitor 7's have Dual binding posts?

DrPain, are you talking about bi amping with an unused out on a receiver or bi amping with external amps?

Nick

DrPain, are you talking about bi amping with an unused out on a receiver or bi amping with external amps?

Nick

unused out on a receiver, pio 1016 for example or yamaha 1700 for example

Do the Monitor 7's have Dual binding posts?
yes

yes
OMG Thank you, how do you know, any pics?

OMG Thank you, how do you know, any pics?
I had Monitor 7s before I got my Studio 100s. They have four binding posts just like the 100s.

I had Monitor 7s before I got my Studio 100s. They have four binding posts just like the 100s.
Do you know if all of the Monitor line have it? The Mini-Monitor in particular.

Whats the cheapest receiver you guys would go with for a pair of s4s? I can only listen low to mid volumes since I live in an apartment. I currently have a h/k 635 im guessing that wouldn't be enough to power the s4s.

Do you know if all of the Monitor line have it? The Mini-Monitor in particular.If I recall correctly, the Monitor 5's are the first to have four posts. I don't think the Mini's or the 3's do.

-K

Whats the cheapest receiver you guys would go with for a pair of s4s? I can only listen low to mid volumes since I live in an apartment. I currently have a h/k 635 im guessing that wouldn't be enough to power the s4s.Keep your receiver as a processor and buy an amp to power the S4's. You won't find a receiver that has enough juice to power those guys.

-K

Keep your receiver as a processor and buy an amp to power the S4's. You won't find a receiver that has enough juice to power those guys.

-K
Ok thanks, what amp do you recommend?

Question about cross-over frequency. Is there a simple answer on how to set up my sub when using Monitor 5's as mains and the CC-370 as the center? I'm using 2 PDR-12s for the subs. Rears are Titans. Receiver is Denon 2807. Also, do you recommend all speakers be set to Small, or should the rears perhaps be set to Large???? Thanks!

Question about cross-over frequency. Is there a simple answer on how to set up my sub when using Monitor 5's as mains and the CC-370 as the center? I'm using 2 PDR-12s for the subs. Rears are Titans. Receiver is Denon 2807. Also, do you recommend all speakers be set to Small, or should the rears perhaps be set to Large???? Thanks!
Set ALL speakers to small, and try crossing the sub over at 80hz. You can play with the crossover frequency from there, but don't go any higher than 80hz. You can go lower, but with the Titans as rears I wouldn't go any lower than 80hz personally.

-K

Ok thanks, what amp do you recommend?
If you want to stick in the Paradigm family, an Anthem MCA20 or A2 amp would work well. But, the amp like the speakers should be picked ultimately by you. Some amps have different characteristics, and some may sound better to you. The Anthem's are pretty obviously designed (I think) with Paradigm speakers in mind, since they are the some company.

If you find a 100 watt amp for like $300 bucks, I wouldn't go that route. With as nice of speakers as you have, get a good amp and give those babies some good power.

Great choice in speakers BTW.

-K

Thanks for the help bassbone. My plan was to get the s4s first and then slowly upgrade to 5.1.

The A2 seems reasonably priced but the A5 is a bit more pricey then I was hoping for, its seems thats what I need though to power a 5.1 system.

Still have a lot of time to think about it and see what setup will suit me best.

Bassbone, thanks for the help as well. That gives me a very good basis upon which to get started.

If you want to stick in the Paradigm family, an Anthem MCA20 or A2 amp would work well. But, the amp like the speakers should be picked ultimately by you. Some amps have different characteristics, and some may sound better to you. The Anthem's are pretty obviously designed (I think) with Paradigm speakers in mind, since they are the some company.

If you find a 100 watt amp for like $300 bucks, I wouldn't go that route. With as nice of speakers as you have, get a good amp and give those babies some good power.

Great choice in speakers BTW.

-K
Agree
I use A2 for my S4s
That combo sounds amazing

Do you know if all of the Monitor line have it? The Mini-Monitor in particular.
I had Monitor 5s before the 7s. The M5s did have 4 binding posts. They are just a shorter version on the M7. M3s and Mini Monitors do not.

I had Monitor 5s before the 7s. The M5s did have 4 binding posts. They are just a shorter version on the M7. M3s and Mini Monitors do not.
Thanks for the info

Set ALL speakers to small, and try crossing the sub over at 80hz. You can play with the crossover frequency from there, but don't go any higher than 80hz. You can go lower, but with the Titans as rears I wouldn't go any lower than 80hz personally.

-KIn setting up my Denon 2807, I find that it also gives me the option to set the individual crossovers for the mains, center and rears. Should the Monitor 5's, CC370, and Titans also have their crossovers set at 80hz, or some other setting? Thanks.

In setting up my Denon 2807, I find that it also gives me the option to set the individual crossovers for the mains, center and rears. Should the Monitor 5's, CC370, and Titans also have their crossovers set at 80hz, or some other setting? Thanks.

That is correct, 80Hz for all speakers. There is also a separate LFE crossover value, and that should be set to 120Hz. And all speakers set to small as well.

Nick

Keep your receiver as a processor and buy an amp to power the S4's. You won't find a receiver that has enough juice to power those guys.

-K

I respectfully disagree. I own the S4s and a Denon 5800 AVR that will drive them to scary loud levels with no distortion. Before I owned the S4 I also had the S8s, which were also powered by the Denon with absolutely no problems at all. How much power a speaker needs is dictated by the speakers sensitivity and the impedance. The Paradigms have relatively high sensitivity and are 8 Ohms nominal. A good mid-level or higher receiver will have no problem driving them.