I'm reaching the conclusion that I made a huge mistake purchasing the Studios, I was just trying to deny it. I'm becoming quite concerned that whether they are junk or not (I'm thinking they may lean more towards junk), they do make some of my CDs sound bad and I'm afraid of finding more bad ones. I like music, period and I don't want to be reduced to 5 or 6 CDs. So I think I may hook my old Kenwoods back up realizing the fact that they hide a lot of detail and have terrible to almost no staging no matter how you set them up. Should I do that, what to do with the Studios becomes the question. I don't want to go through the bother of selling them, I'm open to any other suggestions though.

Anubis you should feel lucky that you heard no difference between the 100s and the S6. You saved some $$$.
My friend was ready to purchase 100s until I asked to hear the S2s - we didn't plan on listening to the S6, it just happened. We immediately noticed a difference as soon as the S2's sounded a note and they are comparable in price to the 100s. The S6s give you more of the good stuff the S2s provide. We both were hooked and my friend ended up buying the S6s with a C3.
I have yet to hear a CD on my system (v4 Studio 40s) or my friends system (v3 S6s) that aren't a pleasure to listen to. There are shortcomings in some recordings but that does not put me off of that particular artist. You should be happy you have a system that can reveal these sorts of things.
Please enjoy your 100s because they are a fantastic speaker and stop lamenting about your purchase. As I have posted before, the lineup of guys who wished they had a new pair of 100s in their living room would be a mile long. As for the "junk" comment another friend has my my old Espirit Monitors from 1993 and they are still going strong after 18 years so stop worrying about what will happen 5 years down the road. Try to keep your glass half full - life is much better if you can do that.

Yeah, you bought more speaker than you could afford. It happens, they're sexy. Just think of it as investment. Perhaps you can't afford them yet, but they won't need upgrading for a LONG time. You'll save money by not going through several upgrade cycles, and you'll enjoy some fantastic speakers in the meantime.

Just because they were more than YOU should have spent on speakers, in your life/financial situation, doesn't mean that the cost of the speakers themselves is unjustifiable. I can't afford a Porche, but that doesn't mean they're unjustifiably expensive. It just means that I can't afford them. It means that I would have to make sacrifices in other areas of spending in order to get them, and to me that's not worth it. Certainly a large number of people can justify that expense, and think they get an excellent car for their money.

I'm not sure if it was more than I could afford, I mean I saved up and all for a year to get to the $3k level after finding out that seemed to be the demarcation line if you will. As I said, saved up, sacrificed non-important things a little and did not go into debt for them. Had I gone into debt for them and such I would have been dead by now. No speaker or any peice of audio gear is worth going into more debt for.
Investment? No, I mean I don't thnk so. If it's an investment, it's a bad one like the mutual funds and IRA I lost my ass on a couple of years ago.

You also read my thoughts. I was thinking precisely about making the upgrade leap once thus avoiding great expense having to take several steps and avoiding buying another pair of speakers for the next 20 years or more. Thus my concern that due to lack of quality that 20 years just turned to 4 or 5 years.

I think you're just making up numbers there. I mean, $800? What speakers could you get for $800 that would be equivalent? And five years? What makes you think that? There are PLENTY of people on these forums who have had Studios for more than five years already. I have heard of very few people who have had issues.

You just spent more money than you could afford. That shouldn't reflect badly on the speakers themselves.

Yes, I did throw that number out there just an example, not meant for accuracy. I don't think I could get anything equivalent for $800 judging by what I heard in that price range when I first started looking 12 months ago.
I still don't see where I spent more than I could afford, at least physically anyway. More than I could afford mentally? You bet!;)

Anubis ..... I've been following this thread for quite awhile. The pain and anguish you've expressed in your posts as you've bared your soul has been/is disconcerting to me. The anonymity of an online forum facilitates discussions which may otherwise be difficult or impossible. I don't "know" you as close friend or confidant might; but from your posts, I believe you are an honest and good guy.

May I suggest, go back thru for posts in this forum and the related replies and copy/paste them into a document and then read it objectively. Then, if you felt comfortable, have a friend or confidant read it with a critical eye.

Lastly, sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between symptoms and problems. If one misidentifies what are in reality symptoms as the problem, then the problem isn't addressed and resurfaces. I believe that some of the "problems" you've discussed are really "symptoms" and that some counseling would be beneficial.

I hope I've been politically correct and diplomatic. Others who know me would tell you this isn't my forte. I am just trying to help, as others have, one human being to another.

Counseling is not only not needed in this case, but also the biggest scam of our times anyway. I think I have correctly identified the root issue (aside from the family members jealous objections a time ago) as buyer's remorse...make that heavy buyer's remorse. Getting over that remorse is the question and whether it can be done or not in this case.

More than I could afford mentally? You bet!;)

Yes, that's what I meant. :-) More than you were mentally prepared to spend. And now you're freaking out.

If you don't do anything silly like giving them away, in a few days you'll hopefully accept that good things are expensive and you'll be able to enjoy your purchase. Just calm down.

They're NOT going to fall apart in 4-6 years. You'll probably be enjoying them in 15 years, and probably with the rest of the matching surround set.

ROFL! I have a pair of Paradigm 9seMk3 (comparable to the monitor line) I use as my L&R and also use a set of Atoms I use as wides (formerly as my rears). I bought them new in Dec 1995 and are used daily. They are over 15 years old and still work like new. The only issue I have is my subwoofer PDR-10 which needs to be re-foamed because I made the mistake of watching tron legacy at high levels.

Now I can understand your issue with spending over 3k on speakers. I still bounce back and forth trying to determine if differences between the Studio 60 and 100 are justified for the $1100 difference. I do own the cc-690 and love it hands down and have no regrets, though, I did get it from 6th avenue when it was at a stupid good price. But the issue with quality, I can say as long as you don't abuse your speakers, it will last you a long time.

Makes me wonder if they were built better then. Glad to hear this though. I agree about the price difference, but I won't have a sub in a few months and the 60s just didn't reach down like the 100s. Other than that, there is no other excuse. I won't be getting a Paradigm CC, that's for sure, may not need one anyway which would be fine.

Anubis you should feel lucky that you heard no difference between the 100s and the S6. You saved some $$$.
My friend was ready to purchase 100s until I asked to hear the S2s - we didn't plan on listening to the S6, it just happened. We immediately noticed a difference as soon as the S2's sounded a note and they are comparable in price to the 100s. The S6s give you more of the good stuff the S2s provide. We both were hooked and my friend ended up buying the S6s with a C3.
I have yet to hear a CD on my system (v4 Studio 40s) or my friends system (v3 S6s) that aren't a pleasure to listen to. There are shortcomings in some recordings but that does not put me off of that particular artist. You should be happy you have a system that can reveal these sorts of things.
Please enjoy your 100s because they are a fantastic speaker and stop lamenting about your purchase. As I have posted before, the lineup of guys who wished they had a new pair of 100s in their living room would be a mile long. As for the "junk" comment another friend has my my old Espirit Monitors from 1993 and they are still going strong after 18 years so stop worrying about what will happen 5 years down the road. Try to keep your glass half full - life is much better if you can do that.

Hmm, that certainly is one way of looking at it.
The shortcomings on a CD don't put me off to an artist on the whole at all, just the particular CD itself if it sounds real bad. No sense making my ears bleed, is there?;)

Yes, that's what I meant. :-) More than you were mentally prepared to spend. And now you're freaking out.

If you don't do anything silly like giving them away, in a few days you'll hopefully accept that good things are expensive and you'll be able to enjoy your purchase. Just calm down.

They're NOT going to fall apart in 4-6 years. You'll probably be enjoying them in 15 years, and probably with the rest of the matching surround set.

I don't relish giving them away, but if I can't get past the remorse in a reasonable amount of time (say another 30 days), it may be the only way to do so.
I'll take 15 years gladly! Oh, I have no plans what so ever to get any matching surround set. I have an HSU VT-F1 I'm happy with and I don't want a matching center. I'll probably be fine with what I have. I don't need bigger surrounds or anything.

Everyone should be existed about the new Monitors v7 huge difference over v6.

Existing is good, exciting can be fun too. :)

Details?

I usually find it hard to get V.x to V.y specs to compare the Paradigm iteratations. If you could provide link to spec/build comparisions please let me know. If it is a sheet you can PM me, please feel free.

MKard

P.S. I'll not be buying new until kid gets her doctorate (@2024!!), but until then I like to stay informed, and perhaps be alert for a sweet speaker on the 2ndary market.

I am trying nut the email won't let me copy and paste i am going to see if my dealer will send me there pic so I can share.

Thanks

Makes me wonder if they were built better then. Glad to hear this though. I agree about the price difference, but I won't have a sub in a few months and the 60s just didn't reach down like the 100s. Other than that, there is no other excuse. I won't be getting a Paradigm CC, that's for sure, may not need one anyway which would be fine.

I don't read half of what you write anymore (in fact skip over your posts), I like this thread for info on paradigm speakers. You obviously couldn't afford your purchase. Good luck on the Kenwood thread.

I don't relish giving them away, but if I can't get past the remorse in a reasonable amount of time (say another 30 days), it may be the only way to do so.
I'll take 15 years gladly! Oh, I have no plans what so ever to get any matching surround set. I have an HSU VT-F1 I'm happy with and I don't want a matching center. I'll probably be fine with what I have. I don't need bigger surrounds or anything.

You should get a iPod and a pair of logitech speakers and you'll be more than happy for just $200. Meanwhile I'll take those 100's from you for $1000. So you don't have to feel bad anymore, I'll do the suffering for you.

I don't read half of what you write anymore (in fact skip over your posts), I like this thread for info on paradigm speakers. You obviously couldn't afford your purchase. Good luck on the Kenwood thread.

+1 Well said

Can anyone provide some feedback on the Dipole surround theory in a 7.1 setup, where it is said that the surround backs should be switched to correct they're polarity?
I was under the impression that the ADPs are not polarised therefore it shouldn't make a difference.

Well;
I see a lot of posts in this Paradigm owners thread about many things, I tried to engage people with this thread Jun-11-2011:
Q:
7.1 set-up of dipole surrounds (ADP-390) phase question

When I run audyssey it comes back saying my LH surrounds are out of phase....I have the + and - correctly connected on back Amp<>Speaker each of the 4, so I ignore it.

Now, as I have gained more insight into acoustics I questioned the side surrounds in/out of phase vs the back wall rear surrounds in/out of phase.

My HT layout and speakers are shown below.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-OYlhJXu-NJM/TZDf9NO7CvI/AAAAAAAAMng/lifsMgwOeFU/s400/HT%252520Plan%2525202x4%252520Seats-Riser.JPG


Then, I come across this diagram from
http://www.bobgolds.com/DipoleSurrounds/home.htm
which makes sense, the nulls are in the middle for the side walls, yet on the back wall with both on same wall they don't cancel each other between the speakers.
http://www.bobgolds.com/DipoleSurrounds/NewRoom.JPG


Guys, I'm not sure mine are wired like this...and when I look at the Paradigm website and the owners manual for the ADP-390's no where does it mention this....

How have others here with ADP-390's in their 7.1 set-up handled this?

and then this thread:
Maybe the Paradigm owners thread is the wrong place to discuss this?
Or, it's been discussed before and the "same" conclusions are reached...

Doing a search here on "dipole phase" there are some threads, mostly older, that have discussed this, here are some I found, all are 1 page thread except the one noted:
Do dipole surrounds come with Left and Right option? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=792578)
Dipole vs Bipole (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1320501)
Bi-pole vs di-pole vs standard for surrounds (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1317605)
10 page thread: DIPOLE and BIPOLE SURROUND SPEAKER THREAD (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=874378)
Per this article, are my Paradigm dipoles (ADP 590s) lame? (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055505)
Dipole phase question (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1079304)


I also modified just the the woofer driver polarity inside, so when I switched the main wire polarity going into the surround the woofer polarity was in correct phase with all the others, "+" as it points at each other / next to.
picts of re-wiring, actually easy to do.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-qhIIf4rST0A/TfXtPUzrdoI/AAAAAAAAM1E/z0lWPc9DHRw/s288/IMG_0819.jpg https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NMxftKQscTw/TfXtP1H5Z8I/AAAAAAAAM1I/pol7NPIx6OU/s288/IMG_0820.jpg

Before clearly woofer is "+' in phase, I swapped the wires here, Red now goes to "-" and Black to "+".
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-0isH5R2sE3g/TfXtQNZmm7I/AAAAAAAAM1M/oWV8scKnwJ0/s400/IMG_0822.jpg

Crossover board layout, I did NOT do anything here
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-0f-sydjUcao/TfXtQZM760I/AAAAAAAAM1Q/tEtqwZfCrq4/s400/IMG_0825.jpg

Labeled the Back RH surround and LS Side surround as "modified":
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-iY88ejrvAdM/TfXtQ9Sm9bI/AAAAAAAAM1U/LOoB4X4tCjY/s400/IMG_0833.jpg

By doing this I simply matched what a LH/RH hard wired from factory or a switch does.
Circled on RED are now modified as shown, woofer's are all "+" phase.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-_dQmsTIQ8u0/TfY841-ltGI/AAAAAAAAM1s/Gu_heMf1GeQ/s640/HT%252520ADP-390%252520modified.jpg

Can I hear diff?
I got this done last night 10pm-ish and went to bed, I'll have to go thru my demo material.
Best would be if I had 2 more ADP-390's and could do a/b comparision....the dealer I bought these from, AVIO in Brighton, closed their store 8 months ago and only their Troy store is open, I had good repore with them and could have borrowed a set for weekend.
Anybody in SE Michigan with ADP-390's want to do some A/B comaprision of dipole surrounds?

Not 1 response.......I guess people in this Paradigm forum have no opinion on "Dipole surround theory in a 7.1 setup", or my 3 posts got lost in the multitude of posts.

I'll post this Q in the Audio theory, Setup and Chat where it might get more expert discussion.
The Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554) has it under the "Speaker Layout" portion, so if the thinking has changed that link should be modified or removed if its no longer the best practice.

[edit]
I posted in that thread, here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20720828#post20720828

I don't relish giving them away, but if I can't get past the remorse in a reasonable amount of time (say another 30 days), it may be the only way to do so.
I'll take 15 years gladly! Oh, I have no plans what so ever to get any matching surround set. I have an HSU VT-F1 I'm happy with and I don't want a matching center. I'll probably be fine with what I have. I don't need bigger surrounds or anything.

If you still have buyer's remorse after your 30 days are up and you don't get any response locally for a sale, I'll gladly drive from Modesto and take them off your hands for the $800 you mentioned earlier:D

So now the question is:
#1 - Keep them and listen to them fearing the loss of most of my music collection (which may not happen as well) and knowing I overpaid big time for them.
#2 - Hook my crappy Kenwoods back up (as I am used to them) and take the Studios to an E-waste facility.
#3 - Go back to the Kenwoods and find someone local to take the Studios from me (Of course then there would be the question of ownership from Paradigm since they are registered in my name).

So far I like #3 the most if there is something that can be done to satisfy Paradigm. #1 would be a distant second but only for lack of other options so far.
Any other suggestions on what I could do with them?


You would simply go from "buyer's remorse" to "seller's remorse", I guarantee it. It's seriously bizarre watching you go from one extreme to another over the course of this thread. My advice for you is to chill and try to enjoy them. If in a few months you still feel like they were a bad purchase, fine, but at least step back and put things into perspective.

PS I find it ridiculous that your latest rant against your speakers is that they make poorly recorded CDs sound bad, so your solution is to go back to speakers that make EVERYTHING sound bad. That's like curing a headache by cutting off your head.

You would simply go from "buyer's remorse" to "seller's remorse", I guarantee it. It's seriously bizarre watching you go from one extreme to another over the course of this thread. My advice for you is to chill and try to enjoy them. If in a few months you still feel like they were a bad purchase, fine, but at least step back and put things into perspective.

PS I find it ridiculous that your latest rant against your speakers is that they make poorly recorded CDs sound bad, so your solution is to go back to speakers that make EVERYTHING sound bad. That's like curing a headache by cutting off your head.

My plan is to give them 30 days providing me the chance to log some hours on them playing more CDs and such. (I only have about 3 hours on them now). I'm going to experiment this weekend comparing them to my vintage speakers.

Being that the Studios are revealing...that is I think they are, poorly produced CDs will sound bad because they are not being colored. My thought behind going back was that "IF" I find the majority of my CDs not sounding good at least the old speakers will hide a multitude of sins by making everything sound the same. However, it is yet to be determined if that will happen. I've played about 8 CDs so far out of 853 finding two to be poor on the borderline of annoying to listen. 2 out of 8 heard and 845 not heard yet is not alarming. Something tells me that the major majority of my CDs will be fine to good.
I've run two movies through them in a surround setting so far and they have done very well. They even seem to improve the sound of my Polk CC and KLH surrounds, of course that is an audio illusion, but I'll take it.

If you still have buyer's remorse after your 30 days are up and you don't get any response locally for a sale, I'll gladly drive from Modesto and take them off your hands for the $800 you mentioned earlier:D

Ok, thanks.:) Saves the trouble of placing ads and dealing with that mess. If you don't hear from me after the 30 days that means I will be living with them in spite of their faults.

Don't forget about break-in. They will likely sound better after 40-50 hours of playtime.

Dear thread,

I think some folks began to "get it" way back on page 712.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20495540&postcount=21334

The tone and content of almost all that would occupy the next 22pages built on this humble beginning. It has been frightening to watch.

Please continue discussing discoveries, problems, joys, and challenges related to your Paradigm sound. I even enjoy the lucky dogs comparing the finer points of Studio 100's and S6-8's. Contributes to nice dreams, and who knows? Maybe I'll learn a few things.

Mkard

Well;
I see a lot of posts in this Paradigm owners thread about many things, I tried to engage people with this thread Jun-11-2011:

and then this thread:

Not 1 response.......I guess people in this Paradigm forum have no opinion on "Dipole surround theory in a 7.1 setup", or my 3 posts got lost in the multitude of posts.

I'll post this Q in the Audio theory, Setup and Chat where it might get more expert discussion.
The Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554) has it under the "Speaker Layout" portion, so if the thinking has changed that link should be modified or removed if its no longer the best practice.

[edit]
I posted in that thread, here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20720828#post20720828

Cheers M8 unfortunately it doesn't seem to be a topic of interest. Either that or not many people have ADP's in a 7.1 setup.

Koko for coco puffs

Don't forget about break-in. They will likely sound better after 40-50 hours of playtime.

Yeah, at least that long. I figure to be able to reach that in 30 days time possibly.

Yeah, at least that long. I figure to be able to reach that in 30 days time possibly.

I agree with the need to spend time with them. It is a marked change from what you are used to and you need time to adapt. The break in is in your brain more than the speakers. It is a remarkable piece of equipment that adapts to changing environment. But thirty days may not be enough.

What other equipement do you have? Source and amplification? As you increase the quality down the line (speakers), you will need to match the quality all the way up the line to the source. General wisdom in upgrading is to start with the source and work your way down to the speakers.

Finally, if you search posts in this thread under my handle, you will find my posts about modifying my Studio 40's. I replaced the alloy voice coils with silk ones. They are cheap - about $15 each - and available from Madison Sound. They are an exact replacement and will take the edge off the highs giving you more of that forgiving quality. I did it due to my need for digital hearing aids which tend to make the highs in music more harsh in general. But I think you might like them. If you don't, you can put back the alloy voice coils and you are only out about $35.

Not 1 response.......I guess people in this Paradigm forum have no opinion on "Dipole surround theory in a 7.1 setup", or my 3 posts got lost in the multitude of posts.

It looks like you already made the change...did you hear any difference?

I find it hard to believe that Paradigm would overlook something like this in engineering their product. I do know that their "ADP" speakers aren't 100% dipoles. They operate as dipoles above a certain frequency and below that frequency they are bipoles.

Don't forget about break-in. They will likely sound better after 40-50 hours of playtime.

I wounder if Anubis ever took room acoustics into account. I have not seen this mentioned yet so I thought I would bring it up.

I have Studio 100,690 and adp590 (side surround). If my budget allows, how worth it is to add back surround as adp590 to complete 7.1?

I agree with the need to spend time with them. It is a marked change from what you are used to and you need time to adapt. The break in is in your brain more than the speakers. It is a remarkable piece of equipment that adapts to changing environment. But thirty days may not be enough.

What other equipement do you have? Source and amplification? As you increase the quality down the line (speakers), you will need to match the quality all the way up the line to the source. General wisdom in upgrading is to start with the source and work your way down to the speakers.

Finally, if you search posts in this thread under my handle, you will find my posts about modifying my Studio 40's. I replaced the alloy voice coils with silk ones. They are cheap - about $15 each - and available from Parts Express. They are an exact replacement and will take the edge off the highs giving you more of that forgiving quality. I did it due to my need for digital hearing aids which tend to make the highs in music more harsh in general. But I think you might like them. If you don't, you can put back the alloy voice coils and you are only out about $40.

Hmm, interesting concept. You may be on to something there especially considering there is such a thing as selective listening, audio illusion, tone deafness, etc. It all ties in to the way our brain processes information it receives from various sources, one being our ears. It also makes sense in light of that when our receptors such as our ears or eyes and what not aren't functioning right for any reason, it effects the information our brain receives. Exactly like a computer, garbage in garbage out.

The other equipment I have are as follows:
Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver
Onkyo C-390 CD player
Yamaha DVD player (I forget the model right now)
Speakers = Polk CS1 CC, KLH cheapo 2-ways for surround and HSY VTF-1 sub.

The receiver is 100wpc which does power the speakers and it really is a good receiver, but a supplimental amp would show an improvement in SQ, to what extent I don't know. I do know the Studios like power and really want a minimum of 200 watts.
The CD player I found out to my surprise is pretty good itself. I has a decent DAC (Burr-Brown I believe, can't recall). I've had it for 3 years and have no trouble with it.
Yeah, still using DVD players because I have no use or reason to buy blue ray discs as there are hardly any titles that I like available on BR. That said though when the DVD players give up the ghost I will get a decent BR player and play DVDs through it.
I'm not too fond of the CC I have, but now it seems to be working better than ever (An illusion no doubt). Sure, it's not the best sounding thing, not even close, but it works and seems to be holding it's own for now. (The perceived improvement may have something to do with set up changes that were made when I hooked up the Studios).
The surrounds seem a little stronger as well, again not the greatest, but doing ok for the moment. I'm not concerned with them, all they do is process the delay signals.
The sub, well it doesn't get much better then what I have in my opinion.
That said, the rest of the speakers (CC, etc) I'm not worried about changing since I don't do much HT. I'm mostly music.

Yes, I figured the parts are affordable for upgrade. Obviously, I need to do much more research on that.
My idea about upgrading is not to take care of a particular problem such as the highs (I actually found that they are not as harsh in my environment as I thought they might be), but more to improve the build quality over the cheap materials they used in the Studios as opposed to the Sigs & Milliniums (since I could never afford those in my lifetime) and I figure it would make for life beyond 5 years after the warranty runs out.

Dear thread,

I think some folks began to "get it" way back on page 712.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20495540&postcount=21334

The tone and content of almost all that would occupy the next 22pages built on this humble beginning. It has been frightening to watch.

Please continue discussing discoveries, problems, joys, and challenges related to your Paradigm sound. I even enjoy the lucky dogs comparing the finer points of Studio 100's and S6-8's. Contributes to nice dreams, and who knows? Maybe I'll learn a few things.

Mkard

ROFL! I agree. Let's go back to discussing Paradigm equipment, not trying to convince a person who has buyer's remorse to love his speakers.

I have Studio 100,690 and adp590 (side surround). If my budget allows, how worth it is to add back surround as adp590 to complete 7.1?

I think it depends on the size of your room. Large room, yes, small room, nah.

I think it depends on the size of your room. Large room, yes, small room, nah.
Thanks for reply. My room is 21 feet x 15 feet. Not sure if it helps for this room. I may have 1.5 to 2 feet distance in the back. I can extend little more if 7.1 is worth it.

Thanks for reply. My room is 21 feet x 15 feet. Not sure if it helps for this room. I may have 1.5 to 2 feet distance in the back. I can extend little more if 7.1 is worth it.

That's about the size of my room and I recently went 5.1 to 7.1, and I didn't see a huge difference.

I wounder if Anubis ever took room acoustics into account. I have not seen this mentioned yet so I thought I would bring it up.

Yes, I did long before I bought them. The room is not treated and could sure use it as it is awful and I was going to make some treatments. I got into studying that and asking a bunch of questions and talking to folks. I do not have a dedicated room nor am likely to anytime in the future so I needed to be very tactful about treatments.
However, it turns out I may be moving in a few months so there is no point in trying to do the room and then have to do it all over again for the new room if it even needs it. Just a carpeted room would be a vast improvement.
Right now this is the nightmare room I have:
Hardwood floors (yeech!)
Stucco walls
Two skylights (worthless)
Brick fireplace which I learned is not a real issue
Two tall CD cabinets with glass doors along the wall on the right
A large Mirror on same wall
Room opens to a dining alcove with a garden window and a huge curio cabinet with glass doors on the wall to the left.
Sliding glass door to indoor patio on the left wall where the fireplace is.
I have a sofa, huge throw rug and coffee table in the room.
I also have the speakers sitting on a piece of carpet.
Finally, the sub can only go in one location which is next to the left front speaker between it and the brick planter which is part of the fireplace. (Anywhere else in the room would mean people tripping over the cable).

What is odd is that I thought the speakers would sound funny or similar to my old kenwoods with that room of acoustic disaster, but they actually sound way better than my old kenwoods and seem to have adapted to the room, although I know they have not, no speaker does that.

Hmm, interesting concept. You may be on to something there especially considering there is such a thing as selective listening, audio illusion, tone deafness, etc. It all ties in to the way our brain processes information it receives from various sources, one being our ears. It also makes sense in light of that when our receptors such as our ears or eyes and what not aren't functioning right for any reason, it effects the information our brain receives. Exactly like a computer, garbage in garbage out.

The other equipment I have are as follows:
Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver
Onkyo C-390 CD player
Yamaha DVD player (I forget the model right now)
Speakers = Polk CS1 CC, KLH cheapo 2-ways for surround and HSY VTF-1 sub.

The receiver is 100wpc which does power the speakers and it really is a good receiver, but a supplimental amp would show an improvement in SQ, to what extent I don't know. I do know the Studios like power and really want a minimum of 200 watts.
The CD player I found out to my surprise is pretty good itself. I has a decent DAC (Burr-Brown I believe, can't recall). I've had it for 3 years and have no trouble with it.
Yeah, still using DVD players because I have no use or reason to buy blue ray discs as there are hardly any titles that I like available on BR. That said though when the DVD players give up the ghost I will get a decent BR player and play DVDs through it.
I'm not too fond of the CC I have, but now it seems to be working better than ever (An illusion no doubt). Sure, it's not the best sounding thing, not even close, but it works and seems to be holding it's own for now. (The perceived improvement may have something to do with set up changes that were made when I hooked up the Studios).
The surrounds seem a little stronger as well, again not the greatest, but doing ok for the moment. I'm not concerned with them, all they do is process the delay signals.
The sub, well it doesn't get much better then what I have in my opinion.
That said, the rest of the speakers (CC, etc) I'm not worried about changing since I don't do much HT. I'm mostly music.

Yes, I figured the parts are affordable for upgrade. Obviously, I need to do much more research on that.
My idea about upgrading is not to take care of a particular problem such as the highs (I actually found that they are not as harsh in my environment as I thought they might be), but more to improve the build quality and get away from the cheap stuff they used to make for life beyond 5 years.

I corrected my post. It was Madison Sound, not Parts Express.

I have an Onkyo 5008. Does your Onkyo have vTuner? And does it allow bridging the front channels with any of the surround channels? My Onkyo is their flagship AVR at 145 wpc, bigger capacitors and better transformer. When I bridged, which ran my fronts at over 200wpc, there was a noticible improvement. I went further and bought a pair of Emotiva UPA-1 amps for the fronts - 200 true wpc. More improvement. I may be worth it, even as an experiment, to order a UPA-2 (or 2x UPA-1 or an XPA-2 if you want even better). They ship free in the lower 48 and have a return period. This would give you a close to best case scenario to see how your speakers can truly perform. My studio 40's love the power. I imagine your 100's need the power to reach their potential.

I asked about vTuner since you can use some high quality internet stations for the source (up to about 320kbps), eliminating the variable of your disc players. Alternatively, if you have a USB port, find some high quality lossless files to play.

Sources of HD audio tracks:

http://www.hdtracks.com
http://www.itrax.com
http://www.linnrecords.com/catalogue...ate&order=desc
http://www.klicktrack.com/2l/search?...+192kHz+24+bit
http://www.hifitrack.com/en/


It is likely to be the case that great speakers won't be enough and you will need to bring your entire system up to that level to appreciate them.

Welcome to the world of (entry level) hi-end audio! It is a bit different as you are learning.

Well;
I see a lot of posts in this Paradigm owners thread about many things, I tried to engage people with this thread Jun-11-2011:


and then this thread:


Not 1 response.......I guess people in this Paradigm forum have no opinion on "Dipole surround theory in a 7.1 setup", or my 3 posts got lost in the multitude of posts.

I'll post this Q in the Audio theory, Setup and Chat where it might get more expert discussion.
The Setting Up Your Home Theater Audio 101 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554) has it under the "Speaker Layout" portion, so if the thinking has changed that link should be modified or removed if its no longer the best practice.

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I posted in that thread, here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20720828#post20720828

I do not own the Paradigm 390 or 590 but I do own a pair of Mirage OMD-5 rears which require placement like the Paradigm ones. Unfortunately, I have mine on stands as I can't mount them on a long wall yet. The thing about dipoles is they need the wall to run for the sound. The placement that is recommended by Paradigm in their manual is correct for the 390/590 which appears from your photo looks correct.

When I ran Audyssey, I did not get an out of phase issue, nor have I read anyone in this thread have that issue. The only debates I have read have been about which is a better sound, direct verses dipole. A good search is to do Studio 20 verses Adp-590. Generally it comes down to preference, room placement, and material you listen to. Generally, 5.1 music sounds better with direct radiating speakers. Movies, if you can place them properly sound better with dipole. If you have to place them on stands, direct radiating sounds better, if you like to be able to localize the sound. I have seen where people use direct radiating for the 5.1 rear placement and then use the adp-390/590 for the 7.1 part.

There are two Paradigm stores in your area, I have been to the Ann Arbor one, though I wasn't impressed with the sales staff (disinterested in selling), but they do have two demo rooms. There is also one in Keego Harbor too, though I have never been there.

Question, this out of phase issue, was it when you first hooked them up or had you hooked them up before without any issues? One thing to consider, but sometimes the simplest solution is the most overlooked. Are you sure the speaker wires themselves were put in the correct banana plugs? Meaning could of someone accidentally put the positive wire into the black banana plug and the negative wire into the red banana plugs during setup?

That's about the size of my room and I recently went 5.1 to 7.1, and I didn't see a huge difference.

Thanks for sharing. I will hold off my purchase for rear back speakers.

I corrected my post. It was Madison Sound, not Parts Express.

I have an Onkyo 5008. Does your Onkyo have vTuner? And does it allow bridging the front channels with any of the surround channels? My Onkyo is their flagship AVR at 145 wpc, bigger capacitors and better transformer. When I bridged, which ran my fronts at over 200wpc, there was a noticible improvement. I went further and bought a pair of Emotiva UPA-1 amps for the fronts - 200 true wpc. More improvement. I may be worth it, even as an experiment, to order a UPA-2 (or 2x UPA-1 or an XPA-2 if you want even better). They ship free in the lower 48 and have a return period. This would give you a close to best case scenario to see how your speakers can truly perform. My studio 40's love the power. I imagine your 100's need the power to reach their potential.

I asked about vTuner since you can use some high quality internet stations for the source (up to about 320kbps), eliminating the variable of your disc players. Alternatively, if you have a USB port, find some high quality lossless files to play.



It is likely to be the case that great speakers won't be enough and you will need to bring your entire system up to that level to appreciate them.

Welcome to the world of (entry level) hi-end audio! It is a bit different as you are learning.

No, my receiver doesn't have vtuner or usb port or any of that stuff. It's a good surround sound receiver all THX and a few other bells and whistles and such, but nothing like the Integra line or the flagship unit you have.
I got my receiver because of the phono jack. I wanted to play vinyl on my modern system as well. Of course, then I found out long before I got these Studios that my TT is crap, so I have to replace that unit someday.

I do plan on getting an amp to suppliment my receiver after a time of saving money. However, I have no space for two UPA-1s. What I need is one amp (that's all I barely have space for) that can hook into my Onkyo as a suppliment so I can still use the Onkyo for control and such. I assume the UPA-2 fills that bill, but it's over my budget by $300. I need time to save up and I'm looking at a budget of $500 for an amp. However, we are talking about 6 months away, maybe a bit less.
As to changing out the receiver or CD player, no thank you. I don't have the need to replace anything that is not broken. The electronics I have are fine for "high-end", it's just the receiver is under-powered for the speakers no doubt as the Studios do require more power than what I have to reach their full potential.

I don't like MP3s, I prefer lossless, yes. I'm not much of a radio person outside of one show I listen to on Sundays on a local station. However, I am considering getting one of those internet radios and hooking it up to the reciever for fun because there are some real good internet radio stations out there.
Thanks for those links too. I'll make use of those as I go along. I'm thinking there might be a way to convert USB to RCA or something. I'll look around Monoprice, I go there for all that sort of thing.

I forgot to mention I upgraded my speaker cables. Made my own. I knew my little 18 gauge stuff was not going to cut it. So I got some 14 gauge with GLS banana plugs, techflex, heatshrink and all the bits and peices and made my own cables for a fraction of the cost of buying them.

It looks like you already made the change...did you hear any difference?

I find it hard to believe that Paradigm would overlook something like this in engineering their product. I do know that their "ADP" speakers aren't 100% dipoles. They operate as dipoles above a certain frequency and below that frequency they are bipoles.

Definitely I can hear marked difference with the ADP-390's wired like I show in the picture.
More diffuse sound, but it also appear simply more sound, even more discrete sound than before.
I've always ran my Denon 4038CI in PLIIx cinema mode, to extract the back surround 2 speaker tracks.

Is it the placebo effect or do I really hear "more sound"?

I like the change and won't go back.
As stated, I'd really like to borrow (2) more stock ADP-390's to do a/b comparison.




I do not own the Paradigm 390 or 590 but I do own a pair of Mirage OMD-5 rears which require placement like the Paradigm ones. Unfortunately, I have mine on stands as I can't mount them on a long wall yet. The thing about dipoles is they need the wall to run for the sound. The placement that is recommended by Paradigm in their manual is correct for the 390/590 which appears from your photo looks correct.

When I ran Audyssey, I did not get an out of phase issue, nor have I read anyone in this thread have that issue. The only debates I have read have been about which is a better sound, direct verses dipole. A good search is to do Studio 20 verses Adp-590. Generally it comes down to preference, room placement, and material you listen to. Generally, 5.1 music sounds better with direct radiating speakers. Movies, if you can place them properly sound better with dipole. If you have to place them on stands, direct radiating sounds better, if you like to be able to localize the sound. I have seen where people use direct radiating for the 5.1 rear placement and then use the adp-390/590 for the 7.1 part.

There are two Paradigm stores in your area, I have been to the Ann Arbor one, though I wasn't impressed with the sales staff (disinterested in selling), but they do have two demo rooms. There is also one in Keego Harbor too, though I have never been there.

Question, this out of phase issue, was it when you first hooked them up or had you hooked them up before without any issues? One thing to consider, but sometimes the simplest solution is the most overlooked. Are you sure the speaker wires themselves were put in the correct banana plugs? Meaning could of someone accidentally put the positive wire into the black banana plug and the negative wire into the red banana plugs during setup?

Good sanity check Q on the wiring being correct, being OCD on certain things I checked 3 times, plus have my wires labeled also.
Based on reading quite a few threads I now ignore the "out of phase" for the dipole check.

"one in Keego Harbor " - hmmm, I'll have to check this one out, prior I got mine from AVIO in Brighton, before they closed that shop.

Regarding di-pole vs bi-pole vs direct......I'm of the camp side wall surrounds definitely di-pole...and with the changes I made I'm "ok" with modified phase diploe in the back.
Caveat: This is 90% HT, 5% gaming, 5% HDTV sports/music, etc,

No, my receiver doesn't have vtuner or usb port or any of that stuff. It's a good surround sound receiver all THX and a few other bells and whistles and such, but nothing like the Integra line or the flagship unit you have.
I got my receiver because of the phono jack. I wanted to play vinyl on my modern system as well. Of course, then I found out long before I got these Studios that my TT is crap, so I have to replace that unit someday.

I do plan on getting an amp to suppliment my receiver after a time of saving money. However, I have no space for two UPA-1s. What I need is one amp (that's all I barely have space for) that can hook into my Onkyo as a suppliment so I can still use the Onkyo for control and such. I assume the UPA-2 fills that bill, but it's over my budget by $300. I need time to save up and I'm looking at a budget of $500 for an amp. However, we are talking about 6 months away, maybe a bit less.
As to changing out the receiver or CD player, no thank you. I don't have the need to replace anything that is not broken. The electronics I have are fine for "high-end", it's just the receiver is under-powered for the speakers no doubt as the Studios do require more power than what I have to reach their full potential.

I don't like MP3s, I prefer lossless, yes. I'm not much of a radio person outside of one show I listen to on Sundays on a local station. However, I am considering getting one of those internet radios and hooking it up to the reciever for fun because there are some real good internet radio stations out there.
Thanks for those links too. I'll make use of those as I go along. I'm thinking there might be a way to convert USB to RCA or something. I'll look around Monoprice, I go there for all that sort of thing.

I forgot to mention I upgraded my speaker cables. Made my own. I knew my little 18 gauge stuff was not going to cut it. So I got some 14 gauge with GLS banana plugs, techflex, heatshrink and all the bits and peices and made my own cables for a fraction of the cost of buying them.

Ok..... best of luck in the adaptation! Even if the speakers don't quite meet your expectations at this point, you know you can grow into them with other improvements in the future.

Please stop replying to Anubisrocks; he's hijacked this entire thread for like a month.

Anyone have any info on the rumored Monitor series v7?

Please stop replying to Anubisrocks; he's hijacked this entire thread for like a month.

Anyone have any info on the rumored Monitor series v7?

someone earlier in the thread said he is trying to see if he can Paradigm to send him an email with info to share with us. I am also interesed as I am stuck between upgrading to Monitors or stepping up to Studios.

Please stop replying to Anubisrocks; he's hijacked this entire thread for like a month.

Anyone have any info on the rumored Monitor series v7?

+1. Anubisrocks please start your own thread if you really feel the need to pour out everything that comes into your head, stop polluting this thread with your drivel. If you have something meaningful to contribute go ahead.

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someone earlier in the thread said he is trying to see if he can Paradigm to send him an email with info to share with us. I am also interesed as I am stuck between upgrading to Monitors or stepping up to Studios.

Go ahead and go for the studios. I have not seen many people that have been disappointed by them. I thought about upgrading to the sig s1 but every time I listen to my studio 20s I change my mind. I used some mini monitor v6 before the studio 20s and I liked them but the clarity and detail was so much better on the 20s. They do a great job a disappearing into the room for music and movies. I am still considering ADPs but right now the mini monitors are doing a good job for surrounds. I didn't want to spend enough to get new ones so I got v3 studios and I have no regrets.

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Go ahead and go for the studios. I have not seen many people that have been disappointed by them. I thought about upgrading to the sig s1 but every time I listen to my studio 20s I change my mind. I used some mini monitor v6 before the studio 20s and I liked them but the clarity and detail was so much better on the 20s. They do a great job a disappearing into the room for music and movies. I am still considering ADPs but right now the mini monitors are doing a good job for surrounds. I didn't want to spend enough to get new ones so I got v3 studios and I have no regrets.

I am not going to be buying until around Christmas so I should have enough time to decide. I see some really good listings on Audiogon, but I am still leery buying used with no warranty.

All of these me too posts are more of a waste of space. AnubisR may have gone on a bit much, but I think I replied in constructive ways. It seemed like things came to a natural conclusion and now everyone whines. Most, especially the last day, was very much on topic.

Do not reply to this message. I will not reply to any that do.

p.s. Don't be too harsh on the tech's who write a "A-799" on your gripe-report for the aircraft. It wasn't personal. - probably. :D

LMAO! That cracked me up.

Thanks a bunch for your input and Semper Fi to you as well my friend :)

The 60's get here on Monday. I can't wait.

I have a couple of questions for those of you that go through a lot of speakers. How do you determine how much your speakers are worth when you sell them? I have a Paradigm Monitor 5.0 set I am going to be looking to sell soon.

It's a pair of v5 Atoms, cc-190 v5, and a pair of v6 adp-190s. The Atoms and adp-190's look like new, but the cc-190 has a couple minor (minor IMO) cosmetic issues. There's a chip in the veneer (on the bottom corner underneath the grill) and the plastic on the grill is cracked. There aren't any tears in the fabric of the grill and all of the drivers are in good shape. It still sounds perfect, but has a couple cosmetic issues when you really look hard. I still have the Paradigm boxes.

So how do you go about determining a fair price for the speakers that you sell? Would you try to sell something like this as a set or try to sell the Atoms together, the adps together, and the cc by itself? Just curious. TIA

all of these me too posts are more of a waste of space. Anubisr may have gone on a bit much, but i think i replied in constructive ways. It seemed like things came to a natural conclusion and now everyone whines. Most, especially the last day, was very much on topic.

Do not reply to this message. I will not reply to any that do.

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I have a couple of questions for those of you that go through a lot of speakers. How do you determine how much your speakers are worth when you sell them? I have a Paradigm Monitor 5.0 set I am going to be looking to sell soon.

It's a pair of v5 Atoms, cc-190 v5, and a pair of v6 adp-190s. The Atoms and adp-190's look like new, but the cc-190 has a couple minor (minor IMO) cosmetic issues. There's a chip in the veneer (on the bottom corner underneath the grill) and the plastic on the grill is cracked. There aren't any tears in the fabric of the grill and all of the drivers are in good shape. It still sounds perfect, but has a couple cosmetic issues when you really look hard. I still have the Paradigm boxes.

So how do you go about determining a fair price for the speakers that you sell? Would you try to sell something like this as a set or try to sell the Atoms together, the adps together, and the cc by itself? Just curious. TIA

Usually you can find popular models listed on Audiogon and/or eBay to get a sense. For example:
http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_fs.pl?WORD=paradigm&FOCUS=EXY&CTGSK=spkrmoni&submit=Search

You can get access to blue book values, but it cost:
http://cgim.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/srch_bb.pl

A rough rule of thumb for previous models is 50% of original MSRP if in good condition with reductions for faults. If it is a model in particular demand, somewhat more depending on what it is (your speakers would not likely be in this category). If current model, probably a bit more than 50%.

Basing on original MSRP helps take into account the age. For example, Paradigm Studio 60 v.2 MSRP was less than Studio 60 v.4.

Hope that helps a little.

Perhaps you have already been yelled at for watching your latest Super bit DVD "too loud" by your parents or you are tired of having the TV guys next door in the background of your music recording session? The solution to all these problems of modern day world lies in the home theater acoustic panels. ..................

Isn't this just spamming the thread? Totally out of context and unsolicited? :mad:

I just saw this on ebay and thought I would share with the group.

http://cgi.ebay.com/J218Y-LED-Sign-Paradigm-Speakers-Theater-Light-Sign-/270785458421?pt=BI_Signage&hash=item3f0c1230f5

I am not going to be buying until around Christmas so I should have enough time to decide. I see some really good listings on Audiogon, but I am still leery buying used with no warranty.

I know how you feel. I've never bought off audiogon or ebay. I found some floor models at a local dealer so those came with the 5 year warranty. Then I was in Oklahoma and found a cc570. It belonged to the owner of an audio store and he used it in his personal theater. I didn't get the warranty but I hooked it up at the store and got to listen to it and check it over real good. I check craigslist a lot because you can go listen to them before buying. I have bought 4 subs off craigslist. I look at audiogon a lot but I’ve never bought anything on there. I might someday if I decide to go for the Sigs. Its good to see you already have a nice receiver so that’s one less thing to worry about when upgrading.

Anyone have any info on the rumored Monitor series v7?

They are all new, and look awesome. I can't wait to see them in person so I can hear what they can do.
I did just pick up a pair of Atom Monitor v.6 at a great price. Gotta love closeout pricing!

been useing my new sub 12 now for about 2 weeks and have it all dialed in nicely, then yesterday I noticed that it started to sound even better? lower bass, tight, crisp. It was awsome before, but what caused it to go from an 8-10 to a 10-10? Break in? never had such a drastic change with my prior new dsp3400? any ideas?

been useing my new sub 12 now for about 2 weeks and have it all dialed in nicely, then yesterday I noticed that it started to sound even better? lower bass, tight, crisp. It was awsome before, but what caused it to go from an 8-10 to a 10-10? Break in? never had such a drastic change with my prior new dsp3400? any ideas?

Break in. ;)

been useing my new sub 12 now for about 2 weeks and have it all dialed in nicely, then yesterday I noticed that it started to sound even better? lower bass, tight, crisp. It was awsome before, but what caused it to go from an 8-10 to a 10-10? Break in? never had such a drastic change with my prior new dsp3400? any ideas?

I had the same experience with my Sub 12 after a few weeks. Then I noticed another improvement after buying a PBK a couple of months later.

Definitely I can hear marked difference with the ADP-390's wired like I show in the picture.
More diffuse sound, but it also appear simply more sound, even more discrete sound than before.
I've always ran my Denon 4038CI in PLIIx cinema mode, to extract the back surround 2 speaker tracks.

Is it the placebo effect or do I really hear "more sound"?

I like the change and won't go back.
As stated, I'd really like to borrow (2) more stock ADP-390's to do a/b comparison.






Good sanity check Q on the wiring being correct, being OCD on certain things I checked 3 times, plus have my wires labeled also.
Based on reading quite a few threads I now ignore the "out of phase" for the dipole check.

"one in Keego Harbor " - hmmm, I'll have to check this one out, prior I got mine from AVIO in Brighton, before they closed that shop.

Regarding di-pole vs bi-pole vs direct......I'm of the camp side wall surrounds definitely di-pole...and with the changes I made I'm "ok" with modified phase diploe in the back.
Caveat: This is 90% HT, 5% gaming, 5% HDTV sports/music, etc,

Hi Mike,

I'm a custom Paradigm/Anthem dealer in SE Michigan (Dearborn Heights) and have a pair of my own demo ADP-590 if you wish to (in-home) audition these. Just let me know.

Regards,

Joe

someone earlier in the thread said he is trying to see if he can Paradigm to send him an email with info to share with us. I am also interesed as I am stuck between upgrading to Monitors or stepping up to Studios.

Hello,

Paradigm are winding down stock on the Cinema and Monitor products. The redesigned Cinemas and Monitors will be announced in August.

Regards,

Joe

I have Paradigm Monitor 5's in front, Atom Monitors as rears, and I had a CC-170 as my center. I think the setup sounds better using no center(phantom) than with the older center. I have an HSU STF-2 in a 10x20x10 room listening 50/50 HT vs music. The CC-290 is a good match out of the newer centers available. For that price, I can get a 2nd HSU sub. Which should I get first? It'll be a long while most likely before I could get both.

I have Paradigm Monitor 5's in front, Atom Monitors as rears, and I had a CC-170 as my center. I think the setup sounds better using no center(phantom) than with the older center. I have an HSU STF-2 in a 10x20x10 room listening 50/50 HT vs music. The CC-290 is a good match out of the newer centers available. For that price, I can get a 2nd HSU sub. Which should I get first? It'll be a long while most likely before I could get both.

In your situation, without actually hearing how your room sounds, I think I would lean towards getting the centre. You alrady have a sub which presumably you think sounds good, whereas you have a centre that you don't think sounds good. Your room isn't so overwhemingly large that you're desparately in need of a second sub. I think you would gain more by adding a matching centre that you're happy with.

What is a good price for a pair of signature 100's in black ash. Should I expect much off mrsp if I previously bought cc690 and studio 20s with the j29 stands from that dealer?

Thank you in advance

Hi Mike,

I'm a custom Paradigm/Anthem dealer in SE Michigan (Dearborn Heights) and have a pair of my own demo ADP-590 if you wish to (in-home) audition these. Just let me know.

Regards,

Joe

Joe;
I appreciate the offer, next time in am in Dearborn I'll stop by your shop.
Ideally what I need is another pair of ADP-390's exactly like mine but un-modded, then a small panel of people hear the 7.1 with the back surrounds un-modded vs modded like I did.
4 people as a panel would work fine, 2 in 1st row 2 in second row and keep the seats and each vote "blindly" w/o bias.


Hey - we missed you this Spring at my home for the Spring HEMI Meet - Saturday May 14th (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1322007) .
We might be having a late Summer/early fall HEMI meet at another members home, tbd.

Also, a few people were interested in a listening/acoustics session at my home possibly late fall/early winter.
If that happens, and it probably will, then that would be good time to do A vs B experiment on the back surrounds and di-pole phase Q I posted earlier, 7.1 set-up of dipole surrounds (ADP-390) phase question (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20720750#post20720750).
Can you query your technical contacts at Paradigm my Q and their viewpoint?

Hello,

Paradigm are winding down stock on the Cinema and Monitor products. The redesigned Cinemas and Monitors will be announced in August.

Regards,

Joe

How long until the new redesigned Signature (v.4?) series will be announced?

In your situation, without actually hearing how your room sounds, I think I would lean towards getting the centre. You alrady have a sub which presumably you think sounds good, whereas you have a centre that you don't think sounds good. Your room isn't so overwhemingly large that you're desparately in need of a second sub. I think you would gain more by adding a matching centre that you're happy with.

That was my first choice for a while now until I realized that the center would cost the same as the sub. Thanks for the input and I think I will get the center first. Does anyone think that the authorized dealers will likely drop their prices when these new versions come out?

That was my first choice for a while now until I realized that the center would cost the same as the sub. Thanks for the input and I think I will get the center first. Does anyone think that the authorized dealers will likely drop their prices when these new versions come out?

The dealers around me say the prices will go up instead of down because they will be hard to get and don't look anything like the new ones so you will have to pay a premium that's why i have loaded up my stockroom with monitors v6.

The dealers around me say the prices will go up instead of down because they will be hard to get and don't look anything like the new ones so you will have to pay a premium that's why i have loaded up my stockroom with monitors v6.

Good to know, thanks.

Joe;
I appreciate the offer, next time in am in Dearborn I'll stop by your shop.
Ideally what I need is another pair of ADP-390's exactly like mine but un-modded, then a small panel of people hear the 7.1 with the back surrounds un-modded vs modded like I did.
4 people as a panel would work fine, 2 in 1st row 2 in second row and keep the seats and each vote "blindly" w/o bias.


Hey - we missed you this Spring at my home for the Spring HEMI Meet - Saturday May 14th (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1322007) .
We might be having a late Summer/early fall HEMI meet at another members home, tbd.

Also, a few people were interested in a listening/acoustics session at my home possibly late fall/early winter.
If that happens, and it probably will, then that would be good time to do A vs B experiment on the back surrounds and di-pole phase Q I posted earlier, 7.1 set-up of dipole surrounds (ADP-390) phase question (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20720750#post20720750).
Can you query your technical contacts at Paradigm my Q and their viewpoint?
Since I'm a custom dealer there is no showroom or shop, per se. Rather we have a modest HT in our basement with Monitor 11s, CC-590 and ADP-590s and you are welcome anytime. I'm currently researching which sub to purchase for demo. I understand now why you must get only the ADP-390s.

Wow! I read the thread about the May meet. Yes, I'd be interested in next time. I'll let you know what I find out about 7.1 dipoles.

Thanks,

Joe

How long until the new redesigned Signature (v.4?) series will be announced?
Hello,

Nothing mentioned to dealers yet.

Joe

I posted my first post on AVS earlier this month when I was looking at potentially purchasing a pair of used Studio 60's v5 to upgrade from my Quintet IV setup. I pulled the trigger on the 60's and I must say I am very impressed with the clarity, balance, imaging and soundstage of these speakers :) Thanks to all of you who gave me input and advice!

I'm currently using the 60's with a phantom center in a 7.1 setup in which the I'm using the Quintets for the 4 surrounds and the Klipsch KW-100 for a sub. My receiver is still currently the Denon 1912 that originally powered the Quintets. My use is about 50/50 music/HT. My room is 16x19 with two openings to a dining room and kitchen. The room, however, will change in the not so distant future as the Marine Corps currently has me moving about once a year for flight school.

Overall, I am quite happy with the phantom center setup, but am looking to add a CC at some point. The seller I bought the 60's from has a Studio CC v2 for sale for $225 shipped.

-In your guys opinions how well would this match with the v5 60's? Would I be better off waiting and saving for a matching CC490? Also, my setup does not currently allow for another 60 to be used as a CC unfortunately.

-Should I be looking to upgrade receivers before I add a CC? The Denon 1912 seems to handle the current setup alright, but I just want to make sure that it wouldn't be woefully under powered and likely to cause clipping issues if a CC is added to the mix.

Thank in advance for any input and advice on this!

-Ryan

I posted my first post on AVS earlier this month when I was looking at potentially purchasing a pair of used Studio 60's v5 to upgrade from my Quintet IV setup. I pulled the trigger on the 60's and I must say I am very impressed with the clarity, balance, imaging and soundstage of these speakers :) Thanks to all of you who gave me input and advice!

I'm currently using the 60's with a phantom center in a 7.1 setup in which the I'm using the Quintets for the 4 surrounds and the Klipsch KW-100 for a sub. My receiver is still currently the Denon 1912 that originally powered the Quintets. My use is about 50/50 music/HT. My room is 16x19 with two openings to a dining room and kitchen. The room, however, will change in the not so distant future as the Marine Corps currently has me moving about once a year for flight school.

Overall, I am quite happy with the phantom center setup, but am looking to add a CC at some point. The seller I bought the 60's from has a Studio CC v2 for sale for $225 shipped.

-In your guys opinions how well would this match with the v5 60's? Would I be better off waiting and saving for a matching CC490? Also, my setup does not currently allow for another 60 to be used as a CC unfortunately.

-Should I be looking to upgrade receivers before I add a CC? The Denon 1912 seems to handle the current setup alright, but I just want to make sure that it wouldn't be woefully under powered and likely to cause clipping issues if a CC is added to the mix.

Thank in advance for any input and advice on this!

-Ryan

On the center, by the matching one.

Mismatch of front stage is not a good idea.

On the center, by the matching one.

Mismatch of front stage is not a good idea.

Good to go. That's what I was guessing, but just wanted to get some second opinions. Thanks.

What are all your Monitor 9 and CC-390 set at large or small with sub 12 trying to prove a point to a client that bought his very first set of speakers last week now arguing with me about everything.He has even sat in our showroom and loved how everything sounded but still wants to argue
Thanks

Front LR - Studio 20s on stands
Center - CC 590 on stand
Surround - Studio 10s on wall at ear height while standing
Amp - Denon 4311

The limitation seems to be the left surround. Given it's efficiency (89 db/W/m), distance to MLP (7' 10") and maximum power handling of 90 watts, I've calculated a max SPL of 100 db at 71 watts. By the way, is Paradigms notation "provided amp clips less than 10% of the time" flexible if the amp never clips?

I realize I can't hit "reference" without possibly damaging that speaker, so all the calculations are based on 100 db SPL for each speaker (that would be -5 after Audyssey does it's thing, right?) I've read that many/most watch movies at -5 to -10. So I think I'm in the ballpark. Your comments are very much appreciated. No sub(s) are shown and I'm very flexible on placement, limit of two, suggestions?

Each of the little blue squares is 6" square. The picture with "nothing in it" is the "other side of the room". The room on the other side of the TV is the kitchen with just a framed opening, no door. Next to the left surround is another framed opening leading to a hallway and back around to the entry and another living room, no doors. These two openings are 3' wide x 8' tall. The opening formed in part by the curved wall is also 8' tall and about 4-5' wide.

What are all your Monitor 9 and CC-390 set at large or small with sub 12 trying to prove a point to a client that bought his very first set of speakers last week now arguing with me about everything.He has even sat in our showroom and loved how everything sounded but still wants to argue
Thanks

Tooley, here is my set-up and gear in the basemetn HT:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TZDf9NO7CvI/AAAAAAAAMng/lAqEhSER6TY/s400/HT%20Plan%202x4%20Seats-Riser.JPG

Audyssey comes back with my Monitor 9 and CC-390 as "Large", however I set them as "small" and my xover @ 80Hz.
Sounds great, and fills my 2,300 ft^3 room easily to ref (105db) level.

btw, what is your customers real argument point?
Not clear in your post.
Is it because he wants to use them as "full range" and feels why did he pay $$ for something not being used?
In your business (sales?), the customer is always "right"...you have to educate him so he can change his viewpoint to the "correct" right :rolleyes:

I realize I can't hit "reference" without possibly damaging that speaker, so all the calculations are based on 100 db SPL for each speaker (that would be -5 after Audyssey does it's thing, right?) I've read that many/most watch movies at -5 to -10. So I think I'm in the ballpark.

I wouldn't worry one bit about "reference", especially from a surround speaker. The effects coming from a surround will be at a lower volume than the fronts, so if your surrounds hit reference, your fronts will be WAY above that.

"Reference" is kind of silly anyway. Who the hell listens at 105dB all the time? If you have speakers now, see if you can borrow a sound level meter... Crank a movie up as far as you can stand it and measure that level.

For me, that level is about 90dB, and that's combining all 3 fronts watching a concert DVD. If my math is correct, that's only 84dB per speaker.

I wouldn't worry one bit about "reference", especially from a surround speaker. The effects coming from a surround will be at a lower volume than the fronts, so if your surrounds hit reference, your fronts will be WAY above that.

"Reference" is kind of silly anyway. Who the hell listens at 105dB all the time? If you have speakers now, see if you can borrow a sound level meter... Crank a movie up as far as you can stand it and measure that level.

For me, that level is about 90dB, and that's combining all 3 fronts watching a concert DVD. If my math is correct, that's only 84dB per speaker.

+1, at 105db my wife/kids complain, we watch movies at usually -15db on the volume knob, give or take, so 90db-ish like you seems right.

Sure, for those LFE passages or "show off time" I'll put the volume @ 0db, and crank up the EP2500 "Hot" so the IB sub is putting out 120db+, but honestly not often.

I'll have to bring my RS spl meter to the movies next time and see how much spl I really "get" there.

I saw v6 sales listed at a place called Gibbys Audio. I'm not sure of the store itself (reputation wise), plus it is a bit too far for me. Their prices are ok, but I may see what I can work out with my local dealer on a pair of 390's, or maybe even a cc290. Hopefully even less than what Gibbys has to offer.

I've got the S1s on order right now, should be in sometime next week. Won't be a long-term experience, but I can let you know how I like them when they get in.

I decided to go with the S1s over the 20s mainly for the smaller size and more attractive design, although I do feel that the S1s do sound a bit better.

Have you gotten the S1's yet and if so how do you like them? How large is the room they are in and do they fill it (with sound) well enough?

Last weekend I listened to everything in the studio and signature line. This may sound nuts, but my favorite's were the S1's. They were the cleanest, most articulate and quickest speaker I've heard. Of course they lacked the bottom end but they were not as bad in that regard as I would have thought. Even though the S8s had the bass extension, I did not like the top end on them, they sounded harsh (in the way horn tweeters sound harsh to me). (btw, all speakers were pushed by the same equipment playing the same source material)

Does anyone have experience with the v3 of the S1? I've searched this thread but the concerns I have seem to have only been anecdotally answered.

Here's my situation. The room is small at 11 1/2 by 17 1/2 by 8. Usage is going to be 60% ht/tv 40% 2 channel music (and once in a blue moon gaming).
My concern with the s1's is the fact that it is imperative to match them with a good sub and the possibility that on those occasions I want to really crank it up they won't be able to deliver the spl.

Of all the speakers listened to that day, the only other pair that blew me away were the Wilson Sophia 3's. They were almost as quick as the S1's but of course had tons of bass in them. Sure, it is not a fair comparison since they are in a different league price wise but there it is.
The sophias wouldn't even need a sub (the bass really was that good) and would be great for 2 channel and as l/r for a surround system. But matching a wilson center and rear speakers with them would blow the budget out of the water.
Which brings us back to the S1's

edit: plan on using my denon 4311 as a processor and getting a multichannel amp to be determined by which speakers are chosen

Have you gotten the S1's yet and if so how do you like them? How large is the room they are in and do they fill it (with sound) well enough?

Last weekend I listened to everything in the studio and signature line. This may sound nuts, but my favorite's were the S1's. They were the cleanest, most articulate and quickest speaker I've heard. Of course they lacked the bottom end but they were not as bad in that regard as I would have thought. Even though the S8s had the bass extension, I did not like the top end on them, they sounded harsh (in the way horn tweeters sound harsh to me). (btw, all speakers were pushed by the same equipment playing the same source material)

Does anyone have experience with the v3 of the S1? I've searched this thread but the concerns I have seem to have only been anecdotally answered.

Here's my situation. The room is small at 11 1/2 by 17 1/2 by 8. Usage is going to be 60% ht/tv 40% 2 channel music (and once in a blue moon gaming).
My concern with the s1's is the fact that it is imperative to match them with a good sub and the possibility that on those occasions I want to really crank it up they won't be able to deliver the spl.

Of all the speakers listened to that day, the only other pair that blew me away were the Wilson Sophia 3's. They were almost as quick as the S1's but of course had tons of bass in them. Sure, it is not a fair comparison since they are in a different league price wise but there it is.
The sophias wouldn't even need a sub (the bass really was that good) and would be great for 2 channel and as l/r for a surround system. But matching a wilson center and rear speakers with them would blow the budget out of the water.
Which brings us back to the S1's

edit: plan on using my denon 4311 as a processor and getting a multichannel amp to be determined by which speakers are chosen

I do indeed have the S1s now, although I'm still waiting for delivery of my sub. I've also not yet been able to perform the receiver (MRX300) room adjustment because delivery of my serial>usb adapter has been very slow. Hopefully I'll have everything by next weekend and be able to post a better review.

Preliminary thoughts, though: they sound very good. Not excellent, but very good. My room layout is not at all optimal, so I suspect that ARC will help quite a bit there. I would not be at all surprised to be upgrading that to "excellent" (or better) with room calibration and a sub.

They're essentially in the corner of a large open-concept living/dining room, with the main stairwell open both up and down at the back corner of the room. 8 ft ceilings, probably 4000 sqft alogether in that main space.

They do lack somewhat in the bottom end. I would say that they cross over very cleanly at 80hz, but not less than that. That's without having run ARC yet to verify, so take that as subjective. They're certainly not full range, though, and I wouldn't want to be running sub-less permanently. For WAF purposes, since it's right in the middle of our main living space, I went with a small Velodyne sub, the DD10+. After lots of looking, it's the "least ugly" sub that would perform at the level I wanted. Pricey though, especially compared to the variety of ID subs. They're just much bigger and boxier.

I'm still breaking them in, so I haven't really cranked them up yet. However, at extremely moderate levels (-25 or so), they're more than loud enough to hear clearly throughout the house. As in, I'll put music on and then go downstairs to the computer and be still listening to the music with no problem, or while washing dishes in the kitchen, or out back bbqing with the door open. I've had absolutely no worries about them filling the space with sound, and it's quite a big space. I think that in a small room, they would easily get to well in excess of the voume I'd be comfortable listening to without any strain.

I'm looking forward to getting the rest of my gear and calibrating everything properly. :D Based on my time with them so far, I would give them a cautious recomendation, pending the improvements I'm expecting when everything is set up properly.

Have you gotten the S1's yet and if so how do you like them? How large is the room they are in and do they fill it (with sound) well enough?

Last weekend I listened to everything in the studio and signature line. This may sound nuts, but my favorite's were the S1's. They were the cleanest, most articulate and quickest speaker I've heard. Of course they lacked the bottom end but they were not as bad in that regard as I would have thought. Even though the S8s had the bass extension, I did not like the top end on them, they sounded harsh (in the way horn tweeters sound harsh to me). (btw, all speakers were pushed by the same equipment playing the same source material)

Does anyone have experience with the v3 of the S1? I've searched this thread but the concerns I have seem to have only been anecdotally answered.

Here's my situation. The room is small at 11 1/2 by 17 1/2 by 8. Usage is going to be 60% ht/tv 40% 2 channel music (and once in a blue moon gaming).
My concern with the s1's is the fact that it is imperative to match them with a good sub and the possibility that on those occasions I want to really crank it up they won't be able to deliver the spl.

Of all the speakers listened to that day, the only other pair that blew me away were the Wilson Sophia 3's. They were almost as quick as the S1's but of course had tons of bass in them. Sure, it is not a fair comparison since they are in a different league price wise but there it is.
The sophias wouldn't even need a sub (the bass really was that good) and would be great for 2 channel and as l/r for a surround system. But matching a wilson center and rear speakers with them would blow the budget out of the water.
Which brings us back to the S1's

edit: plan on using my denon 4311 as a processor and getting a multichannel amp to be determined by which speakers are chosen

i have a pair i use as surrounds. my room is about the same as yours.. 18x14 including a 'walkway'. listening position in the middle of the room... the s1 are pretty articulate even at low volumes and i'd recommend it in a two channel system. its the tweeters. they'd be killer in a nearfield situation as well... the only hesitation i'd give you is that it requires the specific paradigm stands. at that to the total and you're pretty close to a pair of S2s.

i have a pair i use as surrounds. my room is about the same as yours.. 18x14 including a 'walkway'. listening position in the middle of the room... the s1 are pretty articulate even at low volumes and i'd recommend it in a two channel system. its the tweeters. they'd be killer in a nearfield situation as well... the only hesitation i'd give you is that it requires the specific paradigm stands. at that to the total and you're pretty close to a pair of S2s.

Mine are sitting on my entertainment unit. Works reasonably well, although not as wide of a soundstage as might be best.

I've been reading about the Monitor series getting bumped up to ver7 and the possible price increase. I'm currently running my monitor 11s in 2.0 and am thinking of adding a cc290 before my dealer runs out. Do you guys think a 290 will work with the 11s or am I better off running a phantom center ? Since there is no way I can accommodate a recommended 390 in my living room setup. What do you think is a good price for a cc290?

I've been reading about the Monitor series getting bumped up to ver7 and the possible price increase. I'm currently running my monitor 11s in 2.0 and am thinking of adding a cc290 before my dealer runs out. Do you guys think a 290 will work with the 11s or am I better off running a phantom center ? Since there is no way I can accommodate a recommended 390 in my living room setup. What do you think is a good price for a cc290?


I have the Monitor 11's paired with the CC-290 because of the same reason.....the 390 is way too big for me to put it anywhere!!! lol Just letting you know they pair actually pretty good and they sound great!! All I did was just increase the db rating a bit up for the 290 so the 11's wouldnt overpower the 290! I got my whole 5.1 system for a good price and Im not too sure what the cc-290 is going for....i think here its about $500 canadian but i know you can get it cheaper! I usually get 30-40% off my paradigm speakers!! :)

I have the Monitor 11's paired with the CC-290 because of the same reason.....the 390 is way too big for me to put it anywhere!!! lol Just letting you know they pair actually pretty good and they sound great!! All I did was just increase the db rating a bit up for the 290 so the 11's wouldnt overpower the 290! I got my whole 5.1 system for a good price and Im not too sure what the cc-290 is going for....i think here its about $500 canadian but i know you can get it cheaper! I usually get 30-40% off my paradigm speakers!! :)

Thanks, this really helps. Was wondering if you have tried the 11's without the center to see how much difference it makes?
My dealer is offering me the 290 for $515(incl. Tax).
Here in San Diego the dealers usually talk msrp on the Paradigms, except for the one I'm talking to, who gives me 10-15% off.
He's also offering me a pair of ADP190s For $400 but I'm not sure if I will go for these as I don't care much for surrounds right now and there are no issues with timbre matching and such for the surrounds.

Thanks, this really helps. Was wondering if you have tried the 11's without the center to see how much difference it makes?
My dealer is offering me the 290 for $515(incl. Tax).
Here in San Diego the dealers usually talk msrp on the Paradigms, except for the one I'm talking to, who gives me 10-15% off.
He's also offering me a pair of ADP190s For $400 but I'm not sure if I will go for these as I don't care much for surrounds right now and there are no issues with timbre matching and such for the surrounds.

Actually I have never tried the 11's without the center but I might actually do that sometime soon!! 10-15% off is ok....low here for canada but good! haha Yeah i wanted a 5.1 setup for my basement and the deal I got was awesome I couldnt say no! I got the 11'ss, CC-290, ADP-390's and the DSP-3200 for an amazing price!

Hiya all,

Can anyone tell me what changes were made going from original Monitor 7's to Monitor 7 v.2? Or, from v.2 to v.3, as I have a good data sheet for the v.3's.

Also, at one time were the Monitor 7's and Phantoms the same speaker?

Odd and old gear, but I figure someone here must have run across this kind of information.

Thank you.

Mike

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Of all the speakers listened to that day, the only other pair that blew me away were the Wilson Sophia 3's. They were almost as quick as the S1's but of course had tons of bass in them. Sure, it is not a fair comparison since they are in a different league price wise but there it is[/QUOTE]

Have you consider the salk speakers, speacilly the ht3 or the ht2-tl. The ht3 provably will sound pretty close and a better value and the look of the speakers is exellent.

Actually I have never tried the 11's without the center but I might actually do that sometime soon!! 10-15% off is ok....low here for canada but good! haha Yeah i wanted a 5.1 setup for my basement and the deal I got was awesome I couldnt say no! I got the 11'ss, CC-290, ADP-390's and the DSP-3200 for an amazing price!

It would be Awesome if you could try this out in the next day or two and post your thoughts....

my favorite's were the S1's. They were the cleanest, most articulate and quickest speaker I've heard. Of course they lacked the bottom end but they were not as bad in that regard as I would have thought. Even though the S8s had the bass extension, I did not like the top end on them, they sounded harsh (in the way horn tweeters sound harsh to me)

hmm.. can't fathom a reason why this should be. ...The S8's have the very same tweeter. ..Did you hear them in precisely the same room, with volume levels precisely matched using a db meter?? If memory serves, they have different sensitivity ratings. ..So simply setting the volume knob to the same setting doesn't ensure they are playing at the same level. So, you may have either been listening to one at a different volume than the other. Another possibility is that, because they are full-range and are better suited for considerably larger rooms, the S8's may have simply been overloading the room...

I have S8's (v.2) and my dealer lent me a pair of S2's a while back (was considering them for our bedroom) and I couldn't hear one iota of difference b/w the two in the top-end. Not surprisingly, they really couldn't compete with the S8's in terms of bass. ...As an aside, my S8's replaced Vandersteen 3A Sigs (a speaker lauded for it's non-fatiguing tweeter and mid-range) and I find the S8's to be every bit as smooth. ..I very much dislike "bright" speakers and would not have considered the S8's had I found them even slightly so.

Attached is photo of one of the Monitor 7 V.2's. :eek:

This dent seems to not affect how it sounds. :confused:

Any thoughts on this pair at $100?

I had a repair person who accidentally used a generic wood polish on my paradigm titan speakers and now the it lost its shine. I'm not really sure how to describe what the polish did, it made speaker cabinet lose its subtle sheen. It now looks flat black.

How do I bring back the regular paradigm not too shiny not too flat finish?

Doess anyone know what a fair price is for the studio 100s v5 new?

Anyone familiar with the Millenia 20 Trio L/C/R soundbar? My local dealer is wanting $1000 for it and I'm wondering if that is slightly overpriced. I see 6ave has it for $800 shipped which isn't too bad I guess...

Doess anyone know what a fair price is for the studio 100s v5 new?

In general, I aim for about 25% off of list. I'd consider that a very fair price.

In general, I aim for about 25% off of list. I'd consider that a very fair price.

I'm shooting for 30% off myself. :cool:

Currently I have the S30 stands with my ADP190's. I am seriously considering upgrading to the 390's. On the Paradigm website, they list both the S30 & J29 stands. I'm wondering how the heck will the 390 fit on the S30? My 190 barely fits on the top plate. Are there threaded inserts in the bottom of the 390? Unfortunately, I have to use stands, as wall mounting is really not an option. I really didn't want to buy the J29's, as they are expensive, and the speakers are the priority. However, if I don't have anywhere to put them...
Any insight is appreciated, thanks.
-Peter

I'm shooting for 30% off myself. :cool:

Well yeah, 30 would be better, but 25's about where I start to consider it fair. 30 is a pretty good deal.

I had a repair person who accidentally used a generic wood polish on my paradigm titan speakers and now the it lost its shine. I'm not really sure how to describe what the polish did, it made speaker cabinet lose its subtle sheen. It now looks flat black.

How do I bring back the regular paradigm not too shiny not too flat finish?

mike kaw,

I just bought a rather rough looking pair of Paradigm Monitor 7's with a PDR10 SW and found the same dull finish on the surfaces of all three. Sad looking.

I used a warm water and very generous amount of liquid hand-soap with a cotton terry towell and scrubbed. Alot! Seems to have restored some of the low-sheen to the finish. YMMV. Now, what to do about the scratches?

btw, these old (and not especially well cared for) Monitors sound quite nice. Listening to jazz, Chris Botti "When I Fall in Love" CD from 3 rooms away. Very sweet. :)

Good luck on regaining some of the "glow" for your Paradigms.

MKard

I used a warm water and very generous amount of liquid hand-soap with a cotton terry towell and scrubbed. Alot! Seems to have restored some of the low-sheen to the finish. YMMV. Now, what to do about the scratches?

Just be careful... Remember that these are clad in vinyl, not actual veneer. Rub too hard and you'll rub right through the vinyl!

I will try that out Mkard, thanks for that suggestion.

I'm just very disappointed repair dude used cheap liquid wood polish.

I will try that out Mkard, thanks for that suggestion.

I'm just very disappointed repair dude used cheap liquid wood polish.

mike kaw,

As noted above by jaball77, these are clad in vinyl which would be susceptible to damage from a petroleum-based compound. I think that the liquid hand soap (most assuredly NOT dish-soap) restores a little of the "waxy" quality to the surface.

An alternative might be to use a small block of old fashioned bee's wax. By applying and rubbing out (with cotton cloth) a couple of times you should be removing any petroleum residue and even a little of the damaged vinyl, and replacing damaged material with the neutral and somewhat glossy wax.

Again as noted, patience and care might well be rewarded.

Best of luck.

Mkard

Has anyone used S2's actually placed on a bookshelf?
I have no doubt that these sound better on stands, but this is not feasible in my setup. So I'd like to know what sort of sound quality I can expect placing these on shelves in a media unit. I plan to use the Sig W5 as the center.
Thanks,
TMG

I plan to use the Sig W5 as the center.

The on-wall Signature W5 is discontinued. I would seek one out while Paradigm still has inventory.

Has anyone used S2's actually placed on a bookshelf?
I have no doubt that these sound better on stands, but this is not feasible in my setup. So I'd like to know what sort of sound quality I can expect placing these on shelves in a media unit. I plan to use the Sig W5 as the center.
Thanks,
TMG

I have the S1s on top of my entertainment unit. I don't have a stand to compare them on, though. They sound good! But I'd make sure to have good room compensation in your receiver, to compensate.

The S1 is a sealed design and the S2 is ported. The S1 will do much better than the S2 near a boundary.

"The S1 is a sealed design and the S2 is ported. The S1 will do much better than the S2 near a boundary."

The S2 port is on the front of the speaker...
Do you think this helps w sound quality when used on a shelf?


TMG

AVS forum members: In my living room I have a pair of ancient Monitor 7s and a CC-150. One of them is blown. I'll have to disconnect the speakers one by one, but I believe it's the CC-150. I assume the CC-190 is the direct replacement for it, but should I be looking at the CC-290 instead? Other options? I don't have enough space for the 390 as it's in a partially enclosed cabinet, and I do not want to spend the cash for something like the 390 either.

BTW, I don't usually play the living room system loud. (My more robust system is in a dedicated home theatre room.) Nonetheless, one of my BDs did a number on my system. Perhaps the dynamic range on discs is getting more broad these days.

P.S. Paradigm, I hate your current website. In the old days I could go to a product page, and all the info was right on the page for every product. Now it's not (http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/center/paradigm/monitor-series/cc-190). What gives? Please tell me that's just an error.

AVS forum members: In my living room I have a pair of ancient Monitor 7s and a CC-150. One of them is blown. I'll have to disconnect the speakers one by one, but I believe it's the CC-150. I assume the CC-190 is the direct replacement for it, but should I be looking at the CC-290 instead? Other options? I don't have enough space for the 390 as it's in a partially enclosed cabinet, and I do not want to spend the cash for something like the 390 either.

BTW, I don't usually play the living room system loud. (My more robust system is in a dedicated home theatre room.) Nonetheless, one of my BDs did a number on my system. Perhaps the dynamic range on discs is getting more broad these days.

P.S. Paradigm, I hate your current website. In the old days I could go to a product page, and all the info was right on the page for every product. Now it's not (http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/center/paradigm/monitor-series/cc-190). What gives? Please tell me that's just an error.

Looks like it is mainly just that speaker the 290 and 690s specs are still there

Ah yes I see. Weird.

BTW, scratch the CC-290 idea. It doesn't fit. :( I have about 7.25" and 25"-ish to work with. With some strategic modifications I could raise the height a bit, but I can't do much about the width. So, it looks like I'd have to get a CC-190, unless the are options from other companies that might mate well with the Monitor 7s. Any other suggestions?

EDIT:

I've been here 10 years! How time flies!

Ah yes I see. Weird.

BTW, scratch the CC-290 idea. It doesn't fit. :( I have about 7.25" and 25"-ish to work with. With some strategic modifications I could raise the height a bit, but I can't do much about the width. So, it looks like I'd have to get a CC-190, unless the are options from other companies that might mate well with the Monitor 7s. Any other suggestions?

EDIT:

I've been here 10 years! How time flies!

BGAEAT,

I have monitor 7's and have been looking at things here and elswhere for a while. I'd have a hard time suggesting the 190.

I've been trying to run a cc-170 with original Monitor 7's in a large high-ceilinged room. No go. The cc just couldn't keep up. Couldn't do it whith Monitor 7 v.2's either. With the v.2's I took the opportunity to take the center speaker out of the system and re-calibrate. Imaging across the screen is probably better than with an inadequate cc inplace. Shrug.

The Paradigm site is very annoying. I usually have to send an e-mail support request for questions or data sheets on older equipment. Some folks there are very decent to persons like myself who know little. Often, not even what the question is. :)

Looking at data sheets for the cc0150 vs. cc-190, I am pretty sure that you would hear an improvement. The real difference, IMHO, would be getting into a cc-290 or better. The data sheets and photo's show that they are made very differently from the cc-190. I would be tempted to break out the saw and some sandpaper and stain, install the 290 (wth, while you're at it), or even the impressive Monitor 390, and just let them all figure it out. Or, save a little coin and see your your sytem responds to a phantom center using just your excellent L/R's. I am impressed with both my Yamaha AVR's and their abillity to create center effects and dialog on both my Monitor's and on Monitor v.2s. I put the cc speaker "for sale" on the local market. :D Yes, that is when us mere mortals notice, really see the clarity and image effects that are taking plac.

Enjoy regardless.

Mkard

Due to the odd layout of my room furniture my left speaker is in an odd location, which means with the centre channel speaker is a requirement.

Unfortunately, the entertainment cabinet we built for the system was built specifically for a 42" TV and 4 "components", one of which is a centre channel.

On the top shelf I have a PVR beside two stacked half height components - Blu-ray and HD DVD.
Below that is the centre channel beside the Sony receiver.
Below that is the TV.

However, I'm looking online and it says my LG 42PJ550 plasma is just over 46" wide. My Sony STR-DG500 is supposed to be 17" wide. If the CC-290 is 27" wide that means the two together are only 44" wide, which would actually leave me a bit of space. However when I measured it wasn't that wide. I suspect the online specs from LG are simply wrong because now I see that the 50PJ550 is the same width. So LG probably just listed the 50" specs - (W) 1171.4mm x (H) 786.2mm x (D) 309.7mm. Other 42" TVs have a width in the 40" to 41" range, which probably means my cabinet is around 42" wide internally, and is narrower than the 27"+17"=44" I'd need for the CC-290. I'll measure the cabinet when I get home.

So, if the CC-190 is an inappropriate choice, any recommendations for speakers from other brands? I know brand matching is usually preferred, but unfortunately I can't do that. Maybe something like the Energy CC-10 vs. V-5.2-C (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en/products/comparison/?ids=257%3b344%3b).

BTW, the acoustics will be compromised somewhat, since the rear bass is gonna get stuck in confines of the cabinet, so I'm not entirely keen on spending a lot of cash on the higher end speaker. I just want a decent speaker that isn't gonna blow when matched up to the Monitor 7 towers.

BTW, scratch the CC-290 idea. It doesn't fit. :( I have about 7.25" and 25"-ish to work with. With some strategic modifications I could raise the height a bit, but I can't do much about the width. So, it looks like I'd have to get a CC-190, unless the are options from other companies that might mate well with the Monitor 7s. Any other suggestions?

Yeah, the CC-290 is a beast!

For that size, I would look at the SE Center. It's a compact center with similar drivers to the Studio series, but a Monitor series style cabinet. It's only 7 inches high and 18 inches wide. Best part is it's only $500 new from a dealer.

Yeah, the CC-290 is a beast!

For that size, I would look at the SE Center. It's a compact center with similar drivers to the Studio series, but a Monitor series style cabinet. It's only 7 inches high and 18 inches wide. Best part is it's only $500 new from a dealer.
Oh, I didn't realize. I first thought the SE was Paradigm's new budget line, because they had only one option, and it was at the bottom of the center channel page (http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/center).

I see that was a completely wrong assumption. People have been saying they're somewhere in between the Monitor and Reference series. Consequently, the price is higher at MSRP US$499 and more than I wanted to spend, but at least it's something to keep in mind. I wonder if we Torontonians still can get better pricing on Paradigm products than those of you in the US (since they're made here).

Bugs, is an option to pull the drivers/crossover from the speaker you want and install them in a custom built box that has the same internal volume as the original and still fits your space?

Bugs, is an option to pull the drivers/crossover from the speaker you want and install them in a custom built box that has the same internal volume as the original and still fits your space?
Interesting idea, but I'm too lazy to do that. ;) Plus wouldn't it make more sense just to use the same box and replace the defective speaker cone or whatever?

I thought the issue was getting a larger speaker into a space in which it wouldn't quite fit. A cabinet shop might charge $100-200 for the box, depending on if they or you put the finish on it.

Sort of but not quite. I have a CC-150 that's blown and I was thinking that the direct replacement - the CC-190 - wouldn't be the best choice because it would run the same risk of being blown and because it's not a great match to the Monitor 7 either.

I was considering other replacements and the next logical upgrade is the CC-290, but it's that one that's too big. I haven't purchased anything yet though. The Paradigm SE Center seems like a good product, but it's pricey. I'll keep that at the back of my mind, but now I'm considering going with other brands. I'm less inclined to spend a lot because the cabinet enclosure will likely degrade the sound somewhat anyway, and because I have a higher end system in another room already. (My other system is Paradigm Studio 60 and CC in the front, Titans in the back, and an SVS PB13-Ultra sub.)

Due to the odd layout of my room furniture my left speaker is in an odd location, which means with the centre channel speaker is a requirement.

Unfortunately, the entertainment cabinet we built for the system was built specifically for a 42" TV and 4 "components", one of which is a centre channel.

On the top shelf I have a PVR beside two stacked half height components - Blu-ray and HD DVD.
Below that is the centre channel beside the Sony receiver.
Below that is the TV.

However, I'm looking online and it says my LG 42PJ550 plasma is just over 46" wide. My Sony STR-DG500 is supposed to be 17" wide. If the CC-290 is 27" wide that means the two together are only 44" wide, which would actually leave me a bit of space. However when I measured it wasn't that wide. I suspect the online specs from LG are simply wrong because now I see that the 50PJ550 is the same width. So LG probably just listed the 50" specs - (W) 1171.4mm x (H) 786.2mm x (D) 309.7mm. Other 42" TVs have a width in the 40" to 41" range, which probably means my cabinet is around 42" wide internally, and is narrower than the 27"+17"=44" I'd need for the CC-290. I'll measure the cabinet when I get home.

So, if the CC-190 is an inappropriate choice, any recommendations for speakers from other brands? I know brand matching is usually preferred, but unfortunately I can't do that. Maybe something like the Energy CC-10 vs. V-5.2-C (http://www.energy-speakers.com/na-en/products/comparison/?ids=257%3b344%3b).

BTW, the acoustics will be compromised somewhat, since the rear bass is gonna get stuck in confines of the cabinet, so I'm not entirely keen on spending a lot of cash on the higher end speaker. I just want a decent speaker that isn't gonna blow when matched up to the Monitor 7 towers.

I did not look, but I would imagine that is the diagonal measurement and not the width...I could be wrong though.

Here is the cabinet:

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt24/EugW/Multimedia/HomeTheatre/Cabinet_800.jpg

The internal width is 43" inches. (The width of the TV is 39".)
The width of the receiver is 17", leaving just under 26" for the speaker width.
I had it custom made to fit a large 42" TV, with enough room for 4 components on the shelves. When the doors are closed you'd never know there was a TV in the living room.

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt24/EugW/Multimedia/HomeTheatre/CC-150_800.jpg

It is definitely the centre channel speaker that's blown. I unplugged the right and left towers, and the distortion remains. If you look at the centre channel speaker, it's the woofer on the right that's blown. However, the actual cone seems intact. What has happened is that the foam outer rim has separated from the actual cone. (On the other one, the outer rim is firmly adhesed to the cone.)

This may sound stupid, but has anyone ever re-glued the foam back onto the cone? I figure if the speaker is toast anyway, it couldn't hurt to try. However, what adhesive would I use if I'm going to try this?

BuGsArEtAsTy,
Were you happy with the sound of the cc-150 with the 7's? If you were, then you'd probably be fine with the cc-190. I used a cc-190 for the past couple of years. It was paired with Atoms rather than monitor 7s, but I thought it sounded very good.

BuGsArEtAsTy,
Were you happy with the sound of the cc-150 with the 7's? If you were, then you'd probably be fine with the cc-190. I used a cc-190 for the past couple of years. It was paired with Atoms rather than monitor 7s, but I thought it sounded very good.
It was OK, but it didn't seem to be quite in the same league as the Monitor 7s, but it was decent. It was a good match to my Titans, but my Titans are now my surrounds for my main system. And not surprisingly I'm a bit spoiled by my Studio CC in the other room.

However, I mostly only watch TV and the occasional BD on this TV, so it hasn't been critical. The real "movie night" is on my projection system with the Paradigm Studio speakers and the SVS sub.

I've decided I am going to try the adhesive route, if only just for kicks. I just don't know what adhesive to use.

This may sound stupid, but has anyone ever re-glued the foam back onto the cone? I figure if the speaker is toast anyway, it couldn't hurt to try. However, what adhesive would I use if I'm going to try this?
Too late! :cool:

I've used Krazy glue, against my better judgement. It dries stiffly but I figured I try it because it sets quickly. I wasn't sure how to use something more flexible like a silicone based adhesive because it takes a lot longer to dry and much harder to apply thinly.

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt24/EugW/Multimedia/HomeTheatre/Krazy_800.jpg

However, while that cone (some sort of plastic I believe) seems quite robust, that outer rim of foam is very delicate, and even worse the Krazy glue seems to act as a solvent for it. If you put just a touch of Krazy glue to bond it's fine, but if you put more it is an issue as it may dissolve it a bit making the foam weaker.

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt24/EugW/Multimedia/HomeTheatre/Driver_800.jpg

Nonetheless, the adhesive seems to be holding well. Wish me luck. :D

Speaker has been fixed!

The distortion is completely gone, and it sounds the same for TV dialogue and background music…

Sweet. $2 worth of Krazy glue saved me at least $200.

Then again, the repeated testing has reminded me again just how much better the Studio CC is. :p Perhaps this repair won't hold and I'll be "forced" to buy an SE Center. ;)

Have you considered buying a replacement driver from Paradigm?

Have you considered buying a replacement driver from Paradigm?
Well, it works now, so no need. :cool:

However, were I to consider it, would they even still sell it? My CC-150 is from the 90s. Plus, how much would it be? If a significant amount, I'd probably just upgrade to a higher end model.

EDIT:

Apparently this is a known problem with the CC-150. There's even a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1228241) on it at AVS. The replacement driver as of 2010 was $40.

I do indeed have the S1s now, although I'm still waiting for delivery of my sub. I've also not yet been able to perform the receiver (MRX300) room adjustment because delivery of my serial>usb adapter has been very slow. Hopefully I'll have everything by next weekend and be able to post a better review.

Preliminary thoughts, though: they sound very good. Not excellent, but very good. My room layout is not at all optimal, so I suspect that ARC will help quite a bit there. I would not be at all surprised to be upgrading that to "excellent" (or better) with room calibration and a sub.

They're essentially in the corner of a large open-concept living/dining room, with the main stairwell open both up and down at the back corner of the room. 8 ft ceilings, probably 4000 sqft alogether in that main space.

They do lack somewhat in the bottom end. I would say that they cross over very cleanly at 80hz, but not less than that. That's without having run ARC yet to verify, so take that as subjective. They're certainly not full range, though, and I wouldn't want to be running sub-less permanently. For WAF purposes, since it's right in the middle of our main living space, I went with a small Velodyne sub, the DD10+. After lots of looking, it's the "least ugly" sub that would perform at the level I wanted. Pricey though, especially compared to the variety of ID subs. They're just much bigger and boxier.

I'm still breaking them in, so I haven't really cranked them up yet. However, at extremely moderate levels (-25 or so), they're more than loud enough to hear clearly throughout the house. As in, I'll put music on and then go downstairs to the computer and be still listening to the music with no problem, or while washing dishes in the kitchen, or out back bbqing with the door open. I've had absolutely no worries about them filling the space with sound, and it's quite a big space. I think that in a small room, they would easily get to well in excess of the voume I'd be comfortable listening to without any strain.

I'm looking forward to getting the rest of my gear and calibrating everything properly. :D Based on my time with them so far, I would give them a cautious recomendation, pending the improvements I'm expecting when everything is set up properly.

Ran a preliminary calibration in the little time I had yesterday evening, as my serial-usb adapter finally arrived. My sub still hasn't arrived at the dealer, so it's just 2.0 with the S1s so far.

The curves show really quite impressive performance, in my opinion, especially from a speaker so small. I'm not sure how much it's trying to generate >10khz sound for that test, since it doesn't actually calibrate anything past 5khz, by design. It's doing really well down to about 50hz, though. Very happy about that.

Note that the left speaker is in a corner, hence the boosted base. Both speakers are sitting on my entertainment unit, which I guess might be causing some of the mid-frequency trouble. I'll have to play around with positioning a bit, but I'll probably end up just having to live with that. It'd be nice to reduce that 200-500hz spike/valley, though.

In short, very impressed with the S1s technical performance. I still need to do some critical listening, especially once the sub arrives. If you're looking for a small main speaker, and it's within your budget, I would definitely recommend them.

"The S1 is a sealed design and the S2 is ported. The S1 will do much better than the S2 near a boundary."

The S2 port is on the front of the speaker...
Do you think this helps w sound quality when used on a shelf?

TMG

Compared to a rear port, yes. Typically placing ported speakers near boundaries will result in bloated bass and reduced soundstage compared to a sealed design. The S1's are a better choice placed on a shelf.

The S1's are excellent speakers for their size. At reference level they will strain in anything but a very small room even crossed over to very capable subs. I have blown tweeters on the S1, so I know their limits well.

*edited*

I picking up monitor 9's, cc-190 and adp 190's this weekend. Any suggestions on break-in period and level? I guess that's db level?

Well, it works now, so no need. :cool:

However, were I to consider it, would they even still sell it? My CC-150 is from the 90s. Plus, how much would it be? If a significant amount, I'd probably just upgrade to a higher end model.

EDIT:

Apparently this is a known problem with the CC-150. There's even a thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1228241) on it at AVS. The replacement driver as of 2010 was $40.

If this driver uses foam surrounds, it is not a "problem" unique to paradigm. It is the nature of that design. I have a pair of original Large Advents from 1970. I've replaced the surrounds three times over the years. Any competent repair shop that works with speakers can do it. But for $40, it's probably better to just get a replacement driver (if the crazy glue doesn't hold, or next time around). If it is deterioration of the foam, it won't be long before another tear occurs.

I picking up monitor 9's, cc-190 and adp 190's this weekend. Any suggestions on break-in period and level? I guess that's db level?
That is the same setup as I have. A good 30-50 listening hours should suffice. My suggestion, is go for the cc290 if doable. For the lower pricing now because of the new Monitor v7 coming out, it would make a lot of sense. I wish I had the 290, and may still get one soon. For me it is a matter of squeezing the 290 into the cabinet.
-Peter

That is the same setup as I have. A good 30-50 listening hours should suffice. My suggestion, is go for the cc290 if doable. For the lower pricing now because of the new Monitor v7 coming out, it would make a lot of sense. I wish I had the 290, and may still get one soon. For me it is a matter of squeezing the 290 into the cabinet.
-Peter

Wow 30 to 50 is a lot. Guess I'll just turn on the system and leave it running. Did you place your surrounds in the rear or on the sides. The salesman told me I have the option to exchange the 190 for the 290 if I'm not satisfied. Apparently a lot of people change according to him. He said I have a 90 day period to make the exchange. I may have a space problem though, because it is fairly large. I'll have to do some measuring.

Currently I have the S30 stands with my ADP190's. I am seriously considering upgrading to the 390's. On the Paradigm website, they list both the S30 & J29 stands. I'm wondering how the heck will the 390 fit on the S30? My 190 barely fits on the top plate. Are there threaded inserts in the bottom of the 390? Unfortunately, I have to use stands, as wall mounting is really not an option. I really didn't want to buy the J29's, as they are expensive, and the speakers are the priority. However, if I don't have anywhere to put them...
Any insight is appreciated, thanks.
-Peter

I have adp390's bought dec2007, no threaded insert on bottom of mine.

Since I'm a custom dealer there is no showroom or shop, per se. Rather we have a modest HT in our basement with Monitor 11s, CC-590 and ADP-590s and you are welcome anytime. I'm currently researching which sub to purchase for demo. I understand now why you must get only the ADP-390s.

Wow! I read the thread about the May meet. Yes, I'd be interested in next time. I'll let you know what I find out about 7.1 dipoles.

Thanks,

Joe

Joe;
Any word on the phase question for dipole surrounds?

I have adp390's bought dec2007, no threaded insert on bottom of mine.

Thanks for the info. On the Paradigm site, for the J29 stands, it says there are holes for mounting speakers for more stability. I figured that the 390's & J29's were made for that reason. That's what I get for thinking.
-Peter

quick question on the cc-290 Does it have a mount on the back for mounting it to a wall.

Thanks

quick question on the cc-290 Does it have a mount on the back for mounting it to a wall.

Thanks

Nope. And at 36lbs I don't think I'd want to mount it on a wall, either...

Nope. And at 36lbs I don't think I'd want to mount it on a wall, either...


hmm wife doen't like the idea of a stand and either do I especially since its a /playroom for my daughter. Right now I have a Polk audio 5.1, tiny little speakers that can mount on the wall.

Maybee I can get some recomondations on something you guys can recomend it terms of performance

hmm wife doen't like the idea of a stand and either do I especially since its a /playroom for my daughter. Right now I have a Polk audio 5.1, tiny little speakers that can mount on the wall.

Maybee I can get some recomondations on something you guys can recomend it terms of performance

I made a shelf for my cc390 exactly because I did not want to have it on a stand, it "hangs" in space and is angled up towered ear @ seat position. On iPhone now so later will post Picts.

[edit - picts added]
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-vl8DRpPGRmc/SctIjlLXOyI/AAAAAAAAKaA/XU6s_vOcX2k/s288/IMG_9434.JPG https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7FvkyMDr8RU/SYBWVKSVdrI/AAAAAAAAKaA/Wn6SLRl8oM4/s288/IMG_9431.JPG

pretty basic stuff. 2 shelf stands, securely attached to studs behind drywall.
Longest shelf brackets I could find, 20" or 24" I forget. Made the wood angle wedges to direct the sound at listener position.
Notice the speaker overhangs the shelf by 3/4", no edge diffraction issues to worry about that way.
People who just lay their CC's on a shelf/cabinet top w/o overhanging the edge will have edge diffraction sound issues.
Your kids won't trip on this.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-an4JyAVFmbs/SUmP4W4M1TI/AAAAAAAAKaA/STXwLijc_9Q/s640/IMG_9260.JPG

It's far enough from the front wall the rear ports can breath, the CC-390 comes back as "large" in audyssey calibration
(I change it to small with xover 80hz)

Wow 30 to 50 is a lot. Guess I'll just turn on the system and leave it running. Did you place your surrounds in the rear or on the sides. The salesman told me I have the option to exchange the 190 for the 290 if I'm not satisfied. Apparently a lot of people change according to him. He said I have a 90 day period to make the exchange. I may have a space problem though, because it is fairly large. I'll have to do some measuring.

Well, it doesn't take me long to get through 30 cd's, or a few hours of movies...
I use my adp190's on the sides. Measure twice :cool:
-Peter

I have found these two listings in my area. I was wondering if anyone on here would be able to give me their impressions.

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ele/2519137892.html

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ele/2483730439.html

http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/ele/2519146779.html

I guess my biggest concerns are if the pricing seems fair and how difficult it will be to get matching centers.

The studios are better, but that's too much for version 1s. I have version 2s for sale locally in Wichita KS for that price haha. Whenever possible get into the studio series tho...

The studios are better, but that's too much for version 1s. I have version 2s for sale locally in Wichita KS for that price haha. Whenever possible get into the studio series tho...

Thanks for the quick answer. I thought that seemed a little high, coupled with the fact that it may be hard to get a mactching center is why I am hesitent.

I made a shelf for my cc390 exactly because I did not want to have it on a stand, it "hangs" in space and is angled up towered ear @ seat position.

Yeah, that's what I would do.

I may be making an offer on some used Studio 100 V1's but want to make sure I can get a matching center for it. Does anyone know what center would go best so I can research that before I take the plunge.

Can anyone tell me what model these speakers are? I found this picture on the web that look like the ones I have, only mine are 15 years or so old. Are they hopelessly outdated?

Mine look like the one on the right in the photo, have those, a center, two midsize and two small and the sub is a pdr-10. I just ordered a new HSU vtf2-mkIII though. I bought them on a recommendation from a friend who worked in a AV store at the time so I have no idea what level speakers they are, paid a grand or two for the whole set. Reason I ask is I am thinking of upgrading and wouldn't want to end up downgrading instead. What price point would out perform them?

Can anyone tell me what model these speakers are? I found this picture on the web that look like the ones I have, only mine are 15 years or so old. Are they hopelessly outdated?

Mine look like the one on the right in the photo, have those, a center, two midsize and two small and the sub is a pdr-10. I just ordered a new HSU vtf2-mkIII though. I bought them on a recommendation from a friend who worked in a AV store at the time so I have no idea what level speakers they are, paid a grand or two for the whole set. Reason I ask is I am thinking of upgrading and wouldn't want to end up downgrading instead. What price point would out perform them?

The names are under them in the pic.

They are Paradigm 7, older models. Plenty of info last I looked online.

I have seen alot of them on ebay over the years.

Attached is photo of one of the Monitor 7 V.2's. :eek:

This dent seems to not affect how it sounds. :confused:

Any thoughts on this pair at $100?

You can usually get that to come out.

There was a guy on ebay selling drivers and tweeters from V.3's not too long ago.

I almost was tempted to buy them as spares, but I didn't.

I have V.3's and the CC-370 and always loved the front stage. The ADP-360 surrounds ? I think that is the model. I never bought them cause everyone wanted $800+ for a pair. I run sapphires for surrounds and they are decent, but not as good as the originals probably.

The names are under them in the pic.

They are Paradigm 7, older models. Plenty of info last I looked online.

I have seen alot of them on ebay over the years.

Ahh, actually taking a closer look mine might be the 9 series, any way to know for sure? Any idea what kind of performers they are? As in, how much would I need to spend to replace them with something better? And do they degrade in performance after so many years? New at this stuff, any help is appreciated. Also, I notice they are bi-ampable, is there any reason to do so and can I do it from a single amp if there is? My current amp is a pioneer elite vsx-56txi.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-an4JyAVFmbs/SUmP4W4M1TI/AAAAAAAAKaA/STXwLijc_9Q/s640/IMG_9260.JPG

I realize this is a construction pic… But have you experimented with dampening the wall area behind your center? With the rear-facing port so close to the wall, it might help...

You can usually get that to come out.

There was a guy on ebay selling drivers and tweeters from V.3's not too long ago.

I almost was tempted to buy them as spares, but I didn't.

I have V.3's and the CC-370 and always loved the front stage. The ADP-360 surrounds ? I think that is the model. I never bought them cause everyone wanted $800+ for a pair. I run sapphires for surrounds and they are decent, but not as good as the originals probably.

bruman,
Thanks. I tried the tape trick and the vacuum to pull the dust caps back up. No joy. Someone else suggested using a needle to tease them up, I decided to not try that and just put the covers back on. :o

These spkrs are v.2 monitors. Cleaned up well, sound at least decent. Oddly, I kinda thought that the original Mon 7's sounded a little better in my large room. I brought over a friend with talented hearing to tell me in more detail. She said that the v.2's were a bit muddied in the lower mid compared to the orignals. Music was familiar and placement was near identical, and seemed to be not a factor.

To my surprise I am relegating the "new" pair to surround duty in a 6800 cu.ft room, and restoring the original Mon 7's to front stage. The v.3 Atoms from surround are going on CL with center and SW for a very nice little 3.1.

Thanks for the hint regarding replacement drivers. I did think for whatever reason, that the improvements in audio performance in the Monitor's really showed in the v.3 and more-so on the v.4 iterations. Your thoughts, please.

Again, thanks.

Mike

bruman,
Thanks. I tried the tape trick and the vacuum to pull the dust caps back up. No joy. Someone else suggested using a needle to tease them up, I decided to not try that and just put the covers back on. :o

These spkrs are v.2 monitors. Cleaned up well, sound at least decent. Oddly, I kinda thought that the original Mon 7's sounded a little better in my large room. I brought over a friend with talented hearing to tell me in more detail. She said that the v.2's were a bit muddied in the lower mid compared to the orignals. Music was familiar and placement was near identical, and seemed to be not a factor.

To my surprise I am relegating the "new" pair to surround duty in a 6800 cu.ft room, and restoring the original Mon 7's to front stage. The v.3 Atoms from surround are going on CL with center and SW for a very nice little 3.1.

Thanks for the hint regarding replacement drivers. I did think for whatever reason, that the improvements in audio performance in the Monitor's really showed in the v.3 and more-so on the v.4 iterations. Your thoughts, please.

Again, thanks.

Mike

I think it is a great idea for back surrounds, I would be curious how it sounds. I bet great and head level too.

I am not sure when they changed to mine, I bought mine in mid 2003 I cannot remember and I bought them brand new. They are much more modern looking than the pics you posted, but similar look and design.

I always thought the tweeter was a tad harsh, but still sound good. I would rather have had a silk done tweeter on them.

I liked them because they went very low for a tower and they are ported on the front.

I will also say I liked my models looks better than the before models and after.

I have been happy with them ever since, they still look brand new and the front stage with the CC-370 sounds great. I just wish I had the matching surrounds.

Tweeter was clearing out some sapphire dipoles cheap back then and I got those. They actually sound quite nice and not out of place. But the ADPs would have been nice.

I'm working on putting a pair of Sig-1.5Rv2s in the ceiling of the dining room area. I made back boxes out of 3/4" MDF assembled with screws and construction adhesive. I also have unfaced insulation inside. I calculated the internal volume to be about 1.3 cu. ft.

I haven't installed them in the ceiling yet, but I put the speakers into the boxes and tried them out with the secondary system that I purchased(Arcam CD73/NAD T743). I am very impressed.

I usually listen in my HT which has Studio 60v3s with a Outlaw Audio LFM-1 plus subwoofer(with a Anthem MRX500, Anthem Room Correction enabled) for music listening. I was listening to a Sarah Mclachlan CD and the quality of the beryllium tweeters was quite apparent to me. I think I had read that female vocals are incredible with the Sig line and now I can see what everyone is raving about.

I will have to resist switching out the Studios in my HT for Sigs. I do find it odd that I have Studios in my main listening room and Sig-1.5Rs for background music in my dining room. It's probably overkill for a secondary system, but I'm betting that I end up listening to the secondary system about 10x more often, so that's ok.

Can anyone tell me what model these speakers are? I found this picture on the web that look like the ones I have, only mine are 15 years or so old. Are they hopelessly outdated?

Mine look like the one on the right in the photo, have those, a center, two midsize and two small and the sub is a pdr-10. I just ordered a new HSU vtf2-mkIII though. I bought them on a recommendation from a friend who worked in a AV store at the time so I have no idea what level speakers they are, paid a grand or two for the whole set. Reason I ask is I am thinking of upgrading and wouldn't want to end up downgrading instead. What price point would out perform them?

I did some more research and I am now pretty sure they are the 7 SE Mk3's. I see from the specs they are nominal 6 ohms. I assume my Pioneer elite is running them at 8ohms, is that a problem?

Also, I am using the upper set of posts currently, is that correct?

And am I correct that I should set them to small on the amp with the crossover at 80khz and then run the MACC set up?

My new sub should be here Wednesday. Now all I have to do is find that microphone that came with the amp lol.

I realize this is a construction pic… But have you experimented with dampening the wall area behind your center? With the rear-facing port so close to the wall, it might help...

Hey Glen, that pict is 2 1/2 years old!

I posted it to help a person here make their own center channel stand that would not trip or get in the way of young ones.

FWIW, I did apply treatments to help the CC-390 in low end, actually behind my 130" screen as shown at the bottom of this post.
My CC-390 now comes up as "large" full range in Audyssey calibration(meaning it's 3db cut is below 40hz).
As stated, I set that (and the R/L mains) to small and use 80hz xover.

As for my HT space, I've focused past 10 months on the acoustics and it's about 90% dialed in using RFZ and broadband bass trap techniques
(with objective data/charts to back that up, not just subjective "it sounds great").

Here is visual of my current HT layout and acoustic treatments:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-FPHsjylvEvM/TjgGGOPSVGI/AAAAAAAANJY/-Yv0XMgfBL4/HT%252520Plan%2525202x4%252520Seats-Riser-acoustics.JPG

My focus now is the final 10% via ETC (energy time curve), here is my in progress thread on that. Using energy time curve for acoustic analysis: developing a Home Theatre primer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1351247)

I'm no expert, but have learned knowledge, and trying to improve the room/speaker interactions as much as possible.
Also many here are experts and guiding me.

The items learned there may/should help others also.

IMO too many people here (not just this Paradigm thread) never try to dial in their room acoustics.
Maybe "acoustics" seem hard or that esoteric thing people like reading about but get scared from when asked to look at a graph or take objective data?

Simply buying more $$ speakers, etc, w/o balancing that with "proper" acoustic space is not well spent $$, again IMO.

I humbly recommend people consider acoustics treatments as well as speaker upgrades in the continuing quest for audio excellence.

From my 130" DIY screen thread, these treatments behind the screen did help the CC-390 with the low end.

Hopefully not TMI, but my point in posting is by basic principles true improvements are possible.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=19969212&postcount=107
This past weekend continuing with improving the HT acoustics, I put (6) sheets of 2" thick 2' x 4' Roxul Rockboard on my screen to make is a "dead zone" instead of a resonance/reflection zone.
http://www.atsacoustics.com/item--Roxul-Rockboard-60-Case-of-6--RB60.html

I used Roxul Rockboard instead of OC705 because I am NOT going to cover it, so did not want itchy stuff.

This was on my "to do" list for almost 2 years.....finally did it this weekend.

This is on back of my DIY screen, there is a controlled 3/4" gap to the screen via the metal plates I added for supporting, secured the panels by suspended ceiling 14ga wire.
#1
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TVDMlQb3JEI/AAAAAAAAMFw/LncrBIXSX0c/s400/_MG_4199.jpg

Final product done and secured, the outside portion has (2) 2" thick 2 ' x 4'pieces fitting, the inside 1 due to screen curve allows more on outside.
#2
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TVDMlo0FmGI/AAAAAAAAMF0/MlVKzxbf0Y0/s400/_MG_4511.jpg

It's also with about a 3" air gap to the wall now.
#3
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TVDX0hXBLHI/AAAAAAAAMGM/Ahg5TRaPpO0/s400/_MG_4557.jpg

#4
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TVDX07rjSMI/AAAAAAAAMGQ/nDYi2ah2Oe0/s400/_MG_4563.jpg

screen hung, btw It's also 50 lbs heavier.....my wife complained I'm "slaving her" with all this heavy lifting.:
#5
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TVDX1LfIoVI/AAAAAAAAMGU/GSYG1BJ0U5I/s400/_MG_4569.jpg
(that's my acoustic cloud I'm making just today, i was not there when I did the Audyessy re-run)

I immediately could tell improved bass, I've not taken REW plots yet, but I did re-run my Audyessy and it shows how its EQ is applied, look at the before/after for the center channel!
Yes, I was very careful about having my mic in repeatable positions as well for before/after check..
Before:
#6
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TUlz_iAS18I/AAAAAAAAMC0/QbTkzm_w9l8/s400/_MG_4083%20After%20side%20wall.jpg

After:
#7
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_FqTNmgNQHz8/TVDMmEKnjQI/AAAAAAAAMF8/SiQ09q916Os/s400/_MG_4531.jpg

I did some more research and I am now pretty sure they are the 7 SE Mk3's. I see from the specs they are nominal 6 ohms. I assume my Pioneer elite is running them at 8ohms, is that a problem?

Also, I am using the upper set of posts currently, is that correct?

And am I correct that I should set them to small on the amp with the crossover at 80khz and then run the MACC set up?

My new sub should be here Wednesday. Now all I have to do is find that microphone that came with the amp lol.
Make sure is sometype of jumper between the upper and the lower posts, it does't matter if you use either posts as long as is something between both.
After you run the setup make sure everything is correct and the speakers are set to small.

I am in the process of slowly upgrading my system and recently purchased a pair of Studio 60's for the first major addition. My next step will be to upgrade receivers. However, until I can afford to do so, at what volume settings would clipping generally become a factor given my current setup?

My current setup is as follows:
Denon AVR 1912
Paradigm studio 60's v5
Currently running a phantom center
Klipsch Quintets IV's for surrounds
Klipsch KW-100 sub

-I use my setup for about 60% music (stereo) and 40% HT (7.1).
-My room is about 16x19 with two large openings to a dining room and kitchen.
-The receiver is currently set to the relative volume scale (-80 to 18 db) and thus far I have stayed in the -30db to -20db range.

Jdsmoothie and Batpig over in the Denon owners thread were of the opinion that if I stayed below the 0db threshold I shouldn't run into clipping with my setup. They said to not be afraid to crank the volume and just back off if it starts to sound harsh.

I am just trying to be cautious so that I don't damage my beloved first set of Paradigms soon after having purchased them and wanted to get your guys opinions as well.

Thanks for any input!

-Ryan

Make sure is sometype of jumper between the upper and the lower posts, it does't matter if you use either posts as long as is something between both.
After you run the setup make sure everything is correct and the speakers are set to small.

Thanks, they seem to be connected, probably should have noticed that heh.

I may be making an offer on some used Studio 100 V1's but want to make sure I can get a matching center for it. Does anyone know what center would go best so I can research that before I take the plunge.

In addition to my question above, if anyone knows an answer to that I would like to know if I should really be thinking about getting an external amp for Studio 100 v.1's. I see that that they are nominal 6 ohm but a minimal of 3 ohms in the 90hz region. Considering that amount of material in this range, would it not be wise to run these on my current AVR or should I really be looking into an external amp? It is an Onkyo TX-NR1008. Any input would be appreciated.

I can't give you any advice on the center, but I can help you out on the amp question. I have the 100's v5 and I originally purchased them and powered them with my Rotel RSX-1550, which is 100w when 2-channels are driven and they seemed a bit underpowered. So I picked up a Bryston 4BSST2 which is rated 300w + and it was like night and day. The Bryston works perfectly with the v5's. And at reference levels the Studio's REALLY come alive. The Studio's are power hungry speakers, so get as big of an amp is possible, after all it's distorted power that will destroy your speakers not overpower, within reason obviously.

I can't give you any advice on the center, but I can help you out on the amp question. I have the 100's v5 and I originally purchased them and powered them with my Rotel RSX-1550, which is 100w when 2-channels are driven and they seemed a bit underpowered. So I picked up a Bryston 4BSST2 which is rated 300w + and it was like night and day. The Bryston works perfectly with the v5's. And at reference levels the Studio's REALLY come alive. The Studio's are power hungry speakers, so get as big of an amp is possible, after all it's distorted power that will destroy your speakers not overpower, within reason obviously.

That what I thought but not really what I wanted to hear. I would have to imagine that an amp of that quality would be a bit out of my price range. I guess Studios just aren't in my immediate future as far as upgrade paths go. I just don't feel comfortable running a speaker off of my receiver that has a minimum ohm rating of 3, especially in the 90Hz region. Thanks for the answer.

That what I thought but not really what I wanted to hear. I would have to imagine that an amp of that quality would be a bit out of my price range. I guess Studios just aren't in my immediate future as far as upgrade paths go. I just don't feel comfortable running a speaker off of my receiver that has a minimum ohm rating of 3, especially in the 90Hz region. Thanks for the answer.

Mr. Smigro, don't feel like you have to drop $5,000 on an amp to power the 100's, because that is not the case at all. A friend of mine has the Studio v4's and he uses a Rotel RB-1080 and they sound great too. I think they're rated at 250w and the RB can be had for around $500. Another friend has the Studio 60's and he uses his Integra AVR which is rated at 100w, I believe and they sound really good too. Don't be discouraged from the Studio's because they're power hungry. They are darn good speakers. Good luck to you sir.

Mr. Smigro, don't feel like you have to drop $5,000 on an amp to power the 100's, because that is not the case at all. A friend of mine has the Studio v4's and he uses a Rotel RB-1080 and they sound great too. I think they're rated at 250w and the RB can be had for around $500. Another friend has the Studio 60's and he uses his Integra AVR which is rated at 100w, I believe and they sound really good too. Don't be discouraged from the Studio's because they're power hungry. They are darn good speakers. Good luck to you sir.

Thank you for the encouraging words. This speaker search that I am on has just become so overwhelming and when I saw these V1's on Craigslist I figured if I could get him down a couple hundred it may be a good buy; as long as I can find a good center in which I heard the centers from the V1 line were not so hot so I may have to find another tower or even bookshelf speaker. There are so many choices out there and pros/cons on every speaker that trying to make a decision is becoming increasingly difficult. The one posistive out of all of this is I am reallt aiming at the holiday season 2011 for my purchase so that leaves me about 4 more months to make a decision.

Thank you for the encouraging words. This speaker search that I am on has just become so overwhelming and when I saw these V1's on Craigslist I figured if I could get him down a couple hundred it may be a good buy; as long as I can find a good center in which I heard the centers from the V1 line were not so hot so I may have to find another tower or even bookshelf speaker. There are so many choices out there and pros/cons on every speaker that trying to make a decision is becoming increasingly difficult. The one posistive out of all of this is I am reallt aiming at the holiday season 2011 for my purchase so that leaves me about 4 more months to make a decision.

How much is he asking for the Studio's? How's the condition?

How much is he asking for the Studio's? How's the condition?

He said there are in prisinte condition and the pics seem as if they are. Right now he has them at ~$700 o.b.o. I was going to offer him $550; by the advice of someone else on this thread, and see what he says. He is only about 25 minutes away an is willing to audition them.

He said there are in prisinte condition and the pics seem as if they are. Right now he has them at ~$700 o.b.o. I was going to offer him $550; by the advice of someone else on this thread, and see what he says. He is only about 25 minutes away an is willing to audition them.

Mr. Smigro, that's a very good price. I wouldn't worry so much about your center matching your towers. It is ideal but it's not the end of the world if they don't match. I would totally get the Studio's though. Bring $500 to him an tell him that's all you have. Money talks my good sir! Good luck. I think you'll be very happy with them.

I am in the process of slowly upgrading my system and recently purchased a pair of Studio 60's for the first major addition. My next step will be to upgrade receivers. However, until I can afford to do so, at what volume settings would clipping generally become a factor given my current setup?

My current setup is as follows:
Denon AVR 1912
Paradigm studio 60's v5
Currently running a phantom center
Klipsch Quintets IV's for surrounds
Klipsch KW-100 sub

-I use my setup for about 60% music (stereo) and 40% HT (7.1).
-My room is about 16x19 with two large openings to a dining room and kitchen.
-The receiver is currently set to the relative volume scale (-80 to 18 db) and thus far I have stayed in the -30db to -20db range.

Jdsmoothie and Batpig over in the Denon owners thread were of the opinion that if I stayed below the 0db threshold I shouldn't run into clipping with my setup. They said to not be afraid to crank the volume and just back off if it starts to sound harsh.

I am just trying to be cautious so that I don't damage my beloved first set of Paradigms soon after having purchased them and wanted to get your guys opinions as well.

Thanks for any input!

-Ryan

I'm also running a Denon 1912 with Paradigm Studio 40's and the Studio CC in a 5.1 setup (Mini Monitors for surrounds).

My room is pretty much closed off from the rest of the house and my room is about 20' x 14'

I've easily cranked it up to single digits many times without clipping. The Studios can handle it! I often run a whole Blu-ray viewing at around -10db or -8db and typical 'background' music on at -18db.

I bought the Studio from my buddy who owned them for 10 years and played them loud often. Still sound out-of-the-box great!

I am just trying to be cautious so that I don't damage my beloved first set of Paradigms soon after having purchased them and wanted to get your guys opinions as well.

Thanks for any input!

-Ryan

Compression/clipping artifacts can be insidious and not always easily identified until it's too late. When listening a high volumes it's easy for the ear to compensate and lose the ability to identify at exactly what point you've gone too far. I know since I have blown Signature tweeters that I know are more robust than the Studios.

The key is that if you think that *maybe* you're hearing compression, you are. Don't second guess it - turn it down.

Mr. Smigro, that's a very good price. I wouldn't worry so much about your center matching your towers. It is ideal but it's not the end of the world if they don't match. I would totally get the Studio's though. Bring $500 to him an tell him that's all you have. Money talks my good sir! Good luck. I think you'll be very happy with them.

Thanks for the time Zong. I will let you know how I make out.

Thanks for the time Zong. I will let you know how I make out.

Good luck sir!

Thanks for the quick reply Lucas Theatre. That's good to know.


[QUOTE=Gooddoc;20798643]Compression/clipping artifacts can be insidious and not always easily identified until it's too late. When listening a high volumes it's easy for the ear to compensate and lose the ability to identify at exactly what point you've gone too far. I know since I have blown Signature tweeters that I know are more robust than the Studios.

The key is that if you think that *maybe* you're hearing compression, you are. Don't second guess it - turn it down.

Thanks for the advice Gooddoc. I'll definitely keep that in mind. So far I've kept the volume settings between -30 and -20db (volume ranges from -80 to +18db on the 1912). I haven't really pushed the receiver so far and haven't encountered any compression/clipping that I'm aware of. I'm just trying to get a general idea of where clipping generally sets in so that I can do my best to simply avoid volume settings that are near that threshold.

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I am just trying to be cautious so that I don't damage my beloved first set of Paradigms soon after having purchased them and wanted to get your guys opinions as well.

Thanks for any input!

-Ryan

Ryan,

Batpig et al seem to really know their stuff. Regards the Denon, you aren't likely to go too far wrong with them.

Regards your Studio 60's (repeat Seething ENVY!!), others here have discussed 100hrs or so of break-in. To me it makes sense to let them air out at moderate volume for a few days. Tune to a classical station, configure AVR to analog direct (2 ch only) set volume to SPL of 83 to 85 dB, and leave the house for work. My apologies to any pets trapped in there. :D

After 4 or 5 days of that, I can't imagine any movie or certainly music events that would be likely to damage speakers before your ears couldn't stand it anymore.

I seem to have noted here a lot of the driver failures occur on new units in the first month or so of ownership. Might, repeat might, have a relationship to pushing hard before a break-in or seasoning is done. But, what do I know? I'll not get to buy new Paradigms (or anything else!) before my kid gets her doctorate in 2024! :eek:

Enjoy your set up. Sounds like it is sweet, and will get better. :)

Mike

^He bought the Studio 60s used.

Ryan, because you bought them used, they're not in warranty, so for that reason alone I'd be very cautious about cranking them up and really pushing them.

^He bought the Studio 60s used.

Ryan, because you bought them used, they're not in warranty, so for that reason alone I'd be very cautious about cranking them up and really pushing them.

Oh!! :o Sorry, I mis-remembed his acquisition. Thought he bought them new. I am envious still.

Regardless, they will be sweet for him. Especially as he is being judicious in his demands on his Denon. Only asking it to power two surrounds in addition to his 60's up front. Should allow for good enough power from AVR to fronts while minimizing risk of running out of AVR power supply.

I've bought Paradigms on used market 4 times locally. Been lucky thus far.

Mkard

Where is the beat place to buy used Paradigm speakers?

Where is the beat place to buy used Paradigm speakers?

www.audiogon.com has quite a few listings on there and you could also look on your local Craigslist listings. Sometimes it is tough to find someone local, but that would be the best idea so you can audition them before purchasing.

www.audiogon.com has quite a few listings on there and you could also look on your local Craigslist listings. Sometimes it is tough to find someone local, but that would be the best idea so you can audition them before purchasing.

You can also check your local dealer my local dealer always has a bunch on consignment.

Ryan,

Batpig et al seem to really know their stuff. Regards the Denon, you aren't likely to go too far wrong with them.

Regards your Studio 60's (repeat Seething ENVY!!), others here have discussed 100hrs or so of break-in. To me it makes sense to let them air out at moderate volume for a few days. Tune to a classical station, configure AVR to analog direct (2 ch only) set volume to SPL of 83 to 85 dB, and leave the house for work. My apologies to any pets trapped in there. :D

After 4 or 5 days of that, I can't imagine any movie or certainly music events that would be likely to damage speakers before your ears couldn't stand it anymore.

I seem to have noted here a lot of the driver failures occur on new units in the first month or so of ownership. Might, repeat might, have a relationship to pushing hard before a break-in or seasoning is done. But, what do I know? I'll not get to buy new Paradigms (or anything else!) before my kid gets her doctorate in 2024! :eek:

Enjoy your set up. Sounds like it is sweet, and will get better. :)

Mike

Mike,
What do you consider a good break in period? I just purchased Monitor 9's, a cc190, two adp190's and a pdr100. The manual says several hours before critical listening. I'd like to hear your opinion.

Mike,
What do you consider a good break in period? I just purchased Monitor 9's, a cc190, two adp190's and a pdr100. The manual says several hours before critical listening. I'd like to hear your opinion.

If the manual says several hours, then that's what the break in period is. Breaking in speakers doesn't take as long as many people think.

If the manual says several hours, then that's what the break in period is. Breaking in speakers doesn't take as long as many people think.

They recommend 60 hrs but after ten you can hear a difference I tune my clients systems after 2-3 weeks of them having me install it.

Hello guys,

I'd like to know if the rear port on the CC-490 can be plugged because it's sitting on a TV rack that is placed quite close to a wall.

Are there any side effects or damage by doing this?

Many thanks.

They recommend 60 hrs but after ten you can hear a difference I tune my clients systems after 2-3 weeks of them having me install it.

Do you install for a privately owned store?

Do you install for a privately owned store?

Yes and no they have there own installers but clients I recommend to go there I install for. But I do all there custom theater room builds I am a self employed contractor that specializes in theater rooms and basement reno's iv been dealing with them for 16 years now so I get everything at cost +3 % which I can't complain about.

Yes and no they have there own installers but clients I recommend to go there I install for. But I do all there custom theater room builds I am a self employed contractor that specializes in theater rooms and basement reno's iv been dealing with them for 16 years now so I get everything at cost +3 % which I can't complain about.

Man. That's a cool gig. You work in the same field that you support. You are a lucky man. There aren't too many people who can say they enjoy their work. What's the biggest home theater you've installed? Square footage and cost.

Man. That's a cool gig. You work in the same field that you support. You are a lucky man. There aren't too many people who can say they enjoy their work. What's the biggest home theater you've installed? Square footage and cost.

The room was 40' x 32' x 12' and cost was around $240,000 labour and materials also included all the gear.

Wow! That must have been one hell of a HT room!

Wow! That must have been one hell of a HT room!

I'd call that a cineplex, not a HT room.
15,300 cubic feet volume is not your avg or even big HT room.

I'd call that a cineplex, not a HT room.
15,300 cubic feet volume is not your avg or even big HT room.

Fairly close we installed seating for 24.
The entire house is 14 300 sqft

Hello guys,

I'd like to know if the rear port on the CC-490 can be plugged because it's sitting on a TV rack that is placed quite close to a wall.

Are there any side effects or damage by doing this?

Many thanks.

How close is quite close? Do you hear any boominess from the speaker?

I'm pretty sure you won't damage anything by plugging the port, but you will change the frequency response of the speaker. If you're using a receiver with an auto-eq that may be able to take care of that...

Another option is to use a higher crossover. Depending on your subwoofer and its placement you might be able to use a 120-140Hz crossover without getting localization.

I would like to know if there is a noticeable difference between 5.5" woofers and 6.5" woofers in a center channel. I am looking at getting a used cc-370 v.3 or cc-190 v.5. I am looking for more bass response and sq, but have noticed that the 190 digs to 54hz and the 370 digs down to 50hz, which is not much of a difference on paper. The 370 will match my older monitor 9's better but the 190 should work also. I say bigger is better but will it be worth it? or should I go with the 190?

How close is quite close? Do you hear any boominess from the speaker?

I'm pretty sure you won't damage anything by plugging the port, but you will change the frequency response of the speaker. If you're using a receiver with an auto-eq that may be able to take care of that...

Another option is to use a higher crossover. Depending on your subwoofer and its placement you might be able to use a 120-140Hz crossover without getting localization.

It's less than 6 inches away from the wall. There's a little bit of boominess when there's an actor speaking with a particular deep and throaty voice.

Is this normal?

Unfortunately my AVR doesn't have audyssey. I have tried 100hz as the crossover but it still sounds the same. I suspect the boominess is around 120hz and above.

I would like to know if there is a noticeable difference between 5.5" woofers and 6.5" woofers in a center channel. I am looking at getting a used cc-370 v.3 or cc-190 v.5. I am looking for more bass response and sq, but have noticed that the 190 digs to 54hz and the 370 digs down to 50hz, which is not much of a difference on paper. The 370 will match my older monitor 9's better but the 190 should work also. I say bigger is better but will it be worth it? or should I go with the 190?

I assume you are running these with a subwoofer.
What xover do you set your RH/LH at?

As ref:
I have monitor 9 with cc390, set them to small and run 80hz as xover.

I'd say get the cc370.

It's less than 6 inches away from the wall. There's a little bit of boominess when there's an actor speaking with a particular deep and throaty voice.

Is this normal?

Unfortunately my AVR doesn't have audyssey. I have tried 100hz as the crossover but it still sounds the same. I suspect the boominess is around 120hz and above.

Well you can try plugging the port and see if that solves the problem. Or you can try cranking the crossover up as high as it can go and see if that takes care of it.

This could be sub-related, too. Remember that crossovers aren't a brick wall... if the sub crossover is set to 80Hz the sub will still be contributing to the sound up to 120-160Hz. Maybe try turning off the sub to make sure it's the center that's booming?

Bought a Paradigm Millenia 20 Trio last week and I just got it hung on the wall this morning. Was able to play with the speaker for a bit before work and so far I'm impressed with music. Very very clear and crisp. Have it attached to a Yamaha 867. Haven't had any time to mess with playing movies yet.

The build quality is excellent on this thing and its damn heavy. My only grip is the mounting brack is absolute rubbish. I'm going to e-mail Paradigm and complain about it. The bracket isn't long enough to be able to mount it directly to studs inside a wall. Paradigm instructs you to use drywall anchors (4 @ 25lb load capacity each) in order to mount the speaker. I went and purchased 80lb capacity anchors but I am still damn nervous about it. My $1000 speaker is hanging by plastic anchors on a wall made of essentially paper... Here are some pics:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6150/6029371384_b897259784.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/51848025@N07/6029371384/)
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Bought a Paradigm Millenia 20 Trio last week and I just got it hung on the wall this morning. Was able to play with the speaker for a bit before work and so far I'm impressed with music. Very very clear and crisp. Have it attached to a Yamaha 867. Haven't had any time to mess with playing movies yet.

The build quality is excellent on this thing and its damn heavy. My only grip is the mounting brack is absolute rubbish. I'm going to e-mail Paradigm and complain about it. The bracket isn't long enough to be able to mount it directly to studs inside a wall. Paradigm instructs you to use drywall anchors (4 @ 25lb load capacity each) in order to mount the speaker. I went and purchased 80lb capacity anchors but I am still damn nervous about it. My $1000 speaker is hanging by plastic anchors on a wall made of essentially paper... Here are some pics:


Totally understand your issue.

Can you get a 1" x 3" board, cut it 2-3" shorter than your cc length, paint it room color, mount that securely to the studs, then mount your speaker Brkts to that board?

That would be rock solid, guarantee, and should not be visible.

Any suggestions for stands for studio 10s for desk use? I'd like to get the tweeters up to ear level and need about 8-10" of lift.

Found these:

http://www.homeaudiosuperstore.com/woodtechnology-fgh.html

But the 10s would are about 8x11" and wouldn't fit perfectly on the FGH-8. But probably close enough.

Totally understand your issue.

Can you get a 1" x 3" board, cut it 2-3" shorter than your cc length, paint it room color, mount that securely to the studs, then mount your speaker Brkts to that board?

That would be rock solid, guarantee, and should not be visible.

I thought of this but then it will stick out slightly and I might lose what little WAF it now provides! :eek:

It seems to be doing well. With four 80lb drywall anchors it *should* hold it. I got an e-mail into Paradigm basically telling them their engineers "took a nap" with the design of the bracket. I'm sure they will just respond and tell me they have never heard of a failure so long as it was done properly...

Bought a Paradigm Millenia 20 Trio last week and I just got it hung on the wall this morning. Was able to play with the speaker for a bit before work and so far I'm impressed with music. Very very clear and crisp. Have it attached to a Yamaha 867. Haven't had any time to mess with playing movies yet.

The build quality is excellent on this thing and its damn heavy. My only grip is the mounting brack is absolute rubbish. I'm going to e-mail Paradigm and complain about it. The bracket isn't long enough to be able to mount it directly to studs inside a wall. Paradigm instructs you to use drywall anchors (4 @ 25lb load capacity each) in order to mount the speaker. I went and purchased 80lb capacity anchors but I am still damn nervous about it. My $1000 speaker is hanging by plastic anchors on a wall made of essentially paper...

I use the Millenia 30 which is the same weight as the Trio. I know what you mean. The Paradigm bracket doesn't give you any options on where to put the anchors. If there isn't a stud where you need it, you have to use a drywall anchor.

I've used a lot of different types of anchors but this one is by far the most secure I've ever used. It's also the easiest to install. I got them at Home Depot. I think Lowes carries them too. They are each rated at 79 lbs. The bracket needs four of them. That gives you a rated holding capacity of 316 lbs. vs. a speaker weight of only 18 lbs. My kids have banged into my center and I haven't had any problems.

Hey I just found this thread. SO here's my setup:


Paradigm CC-370 V3 (Center)
Paradigm Monitor 9 V5 (Front L&R)
Paradigm Phantom V3 (Rear L&R)
Paradigm ADP-350 (Rear Center L&R)
Paradigm PDR-10 (LFE sub)
Klipsh RPW-10 (Crossover through rears)


That's my current setup. I recently upgraded my receiver from a Pioneer VSX-1018ah to A Pioneer Elite SC-35. And I gotta say the speakers sound clearer, and crisper at times. I'm also hearing thins I never heard before. but I am curious as to if I should swap out the Phantoms for ADP-390', and also if swapping the Monitor's to Studio 60's or 100's would be a good idea. Anyway cheers to you all, and I'm glad I found this thread! :D

I assume you are running these with a subwoofer.
What xover do you set your RH/LH at?

As ref:
I have monitor 9 with cc390, set them to small and run 80hz as xover.

I'd say get the cc370.

I have a ps-1000 v.4 but I keep it turned down unless watching a movie, I have an old school cc-100 set at 80hz, monitor 9's set to large with bass freqs sent to both sub and mains and sony ss-f7000's as rears. I am running them off a HK avr354 @ a modest 75 wpc and find that I do not need to use the sub because my mains provide adequate bass, I guess I want the punch and fullness like my 9's give me since 80% of sound is produced from the center. I would love a 390 but I have a limited budget and the waf of a 60lb/40 inch center is out of reach. I am leaning more towards the 370 as you suggested but I can get the 190 v.5 cheaper.

I use the Millenia 30 which is the same weight as the Trio. I know what you mean. The Paradigm bracket doesn't give you any options on where to put the anchors. If there isn't a stud where you need it, you have to use a drywall anchor.

I've used a lot of different types of anchors but this one is by far the most secure I've ever used. It's also the easiest to install. I got them at Home Depot. I think Lowes carries them too. They are each rated at 79 lbs. The bracket needs four of them. That gives you a rated holding capacity of 316 lbs. vs. a speaker weight of only 18 lbs. My kids have banged into my center and I haven't had any problems.

Great minds think alike! That is the exact anchor I used.

I guess I'm just old school. The only thing that belongs attached to drywall is picture hangers. Everything else needs to be driven through to the studs! I guess I'll just have to get over it... :(

Another suggestion.

Find the exact location for the speaker and cut the sheetrock the exact size of a 1"X4" and screw the 1 x 4 to the studs and the speaker mounts to the 1 x 4. (Speaker would not be spaced away from the wall)

This should move the WAF up a few points. :D

Pictures of the new monitor version 7 is in the new sound and vision magazine

Pictures of the new monitor version 7 is in the new sound and vision magazine

Here is a picture unfortunately it's from my phone

Hey guys! First post in the Paradigm thread, but absolutely love Paradigm speakers. I was introduced to them a few months ago and own a pair of the Atoms. Now I have a question. I found a pair of Titans locally for $40. They are older, though. The seller thinks they are Mk. 1 as he bought them back in 2000. Im going to listen to them later, but wanted to know what you guys thought about the older Paradigms. I only have limited knowledge and experience with their newer products. I would be using them primarily for music. What do you guys think? Assuming they are in good condition, etc, is $40 a good price? It seems like an absolute steal to me. Thanks for your input!

Bought a Paradigm Millenia 20 Trio last week and I just got it hung on the wall this morning. Was able to play with the speaker for a bit before work and so far I'm impressed with music. Very very clear and crisp. Have it attached to a Yamaha 867. Haven't had any time to mess with playing movies yet.


I have had one for quite some time and love it.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n205/cybrsage/P1000653.jpg

I bolted shelving brackets to the wall mount holes on the TV. I then put those triangle shelf brackets into the slots and put a black board on them - essentially creating a shelf on the back of the TV. I put the Trio on the board towards the TV side of it (to prevent a cantilever effect from stressing the brackets).

Since the TV mounting holes are able to support the weight of the TV, I know they can hold the lighter speaker. :)

Here is a picture unfortunately it's from my phone

This makes me wish I waited a bit long before I bought my Paradigm Monitor Version 6 5.1 system!!!!! Makes me a little mad but I guess this happened with almost everything!! Wonder whats all that has changed??

This makes me wish I waited a bit long before I bought my Paradigm Monitor Version 6 5.1 system!!!!! Makes me a little mad but I guess this happened with almost everything!! Wonder whats all that has changed??

I know what you mean. I just bought Monitor 9's, a CC190 a pair of ADP190's and a PDR100. I love the sound, but I may have waited to get the new models. This was my first speaker upgrade in ten years. I went from a polk audio box set(about $300) to this Paradigm setup for about $2000. I must say sometimes you get what you pay for and I surely did. After years of reading about great equipment in magazines, I am finally on my way. Next up, time to replace that ten year old Yamaha HTR 5250.

I know what you mean. I just bought Monitor 9's, a CC190 a pair of ADP190's and a PDR100. I love the sound, but I may have waited to get the new models. This was my first speaker upgrade in ten years. I went from a polk audio box set(about $300) to this Paradigm setup for about $2000. I must say sometimes you get what you pay for and I surely did. After years of reading about great equipment in magazines, I am finally on my way. Next up, time to replace that ten year old Yamaha HTR 5250.

Well congrats with the awesome Paradigm System!! :) They are amazing speakers! And I would so upgrade your AVR when you can....the speakers will become more alive and amazing!! :) I am just curious what the new version 7 montior line has changed in the version 6!! Cant find anything yet!

I just posted the Monitor Series 7 brochure here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1353668).

I just posted the Monitor Series 7 brochure here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1353668).

Those look great. They look similar to the SEs. I was surprised they only have 2 centers now. I want to see the surrounds because I had looked at some adp390s but those surround 3 look nice. I also want to see the prices.

Well congrats with the awesome Paradigm System!! :) They are amazing speakers! And I would so upgrade your AVR when you can....the speakers will become more alive and amazing!! :) I am just curious what the new version 7 montior line has changed in the version 6!! Cant find anything yet!

All I've seen so far is the ad in sound and vision magazine. The AVR upgrade will take place by the end of the year. Either a B-day present to myself (November) or a Christmas present to myself. That way I'm sure to get what I want;)?

Those look great. They look similar to the SEs. I was surprised they only have 2 centers now. I want to see the surrounds because I had looked at some adp390s but those surround 3 look nice. I also want to see the prices.
According to a local dealer, these are the retail prices for Series 7:
Monitor 7 $450 each
Monitor 9 $600 each
Monitor 11 $750 each
Center 1 $349 each
Center 3 $549 each

I just bought Monitor 9's and a CC-390 (both v6) a couple of months ago, and comparing the specs of my v6 against the specs of the new Series 7 speakers, and have some concerns/questions:

- Why are the in-room and anechoic sensitivities of the new Series 7's worse/lesser than the same sensitivities of the current v6's?
- Can the new Center 3 even be compared to the CC-390? Wouldn't it be a downgrade to go from a CC-390 to a new Center 3 (for movies at least)?
- Are the new PAL tweeters really any different than the current Titanium ones (does material really make a difference in high frequency reproduction and how we perceive it)?
- Lastly, I heard rumors that the ridiculous price drops are due to the Series 7 being manufactured elsewhere. Does this mean lesser build/cabinet quality?

Again, not bashing (Paradigm buyer for years past and present)....just asking some obvious questions.


Would it be worth selling my Monitor 9's to a friend (who has offered $600 for them) and replace them with the new Series 7 Monitor 11's? Or would the only difference be lower bass extension, which would be wasted since I crossover at 80Hz anyways?

According to a local dealer, these are the retail prices for Series 7:
Monitor 7 $450 each
Monitor 9 $600 each
Monitor 11 $750 each
Center 1 $349 each
Center 3 $549 each

What about prices for the Atoms and Minis?

BigCool,
I could tell a difference in the high range when I upgraded from the Atoms to the SE1s. Now I can't tell you if that was due to tweeter materials or better implementation of other components, but the highs on the SE1 (with aluminum tweeter) sounded better to me that the Atoms (with titanium tweeter). YMMV

According to a local dealer, these are the retail prices for Series 7:
Monitor 7 $450 each
Monitor 9 $600 each
Monitor 11 $750 each
Center 1 $349 each
Center 3 $549 each

Any idea about the price for surrounds?

Hey guys! First post in the Paradigm thread, but absolutely love Paradigm speakers. I was introduced to them a few months ago and own a pair of the Atoms. Now I have a question. I found a pair of Titans locally for $40. They are older, though. The seller thinks they are Mk. 1 as he bought them back in 2000. Im going to listen to them later, but wanted to know what you guys thought about the older Paradigms. I only have limited knowledge and experience with their newer products. I would be using them primarily for music. What do you guys think? Assuming they are in good condition, etc, is $40 a good price? It seems like an absolute steal to me. Thanks for your input!

My Paradigm system is at least 12 years old and still sounds great! Monitor 9's for the front 2 LCR350 center and ADP150s for surrounds and a PS1200 sub. For $40. get them if you like the Titans!!

Jeff

I have a question about the speakers I have.

I have the Paradigm 5seMK3 that has a 8" woofer and the 7seMK3 that has 2 6 1/2" woofers. What speakers should be used for the front, or does it matter? I would think the the 5seMK3 because it has the bigger woofer. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

So I went and listened to the Titans and the sounded great! The surrounds are in great shape and the cabinets were mint. They might be a little older, but they could sure still sing. Needless to say, that was some of the best $40 I have spent on my sound setup so far.

What about prices for the Atoms and Minis?Don't know, didn't ask, sorry.Any idea about the price for surrounds?
Nope. He did tell me he doesn't have pricing for the surrounds yet.

So I went and listened to the Titans and the sounded great! The surrounds are in great shape and the cabinets were mint. They might be a little older, but they could sure still sing. Needless to say, that was some of the best $40 I have spent on my sound setup so far.

Good for you!! Enjoy!

Jeff

According to a local dealer, these are the retail prices for Series 7:
Monitor 7 $450 each
Monitor 9 $600 each
Monitor 11 $750 each
Center 1 $349 each
Center 3 $549 each

It looks like the prices stayed the same then. That's good since the rumor was they were going up. Can't wait to hear them. If they sound like the SE then it will be on like donkey kong.

Everything went up. Everything. Lol

Surrounds for the monitor are surround 1 $279 and surround 3 $399

Does anyone have any theories as to why the sensitivities for the new Series 7 speakers would be lower (both in-home and anechoic) compared to the same v6 speakers?
Or rather, why Paradigm would be OK with lower sensitivity for their new version/series of a speaker line, considering that is a spec many people look at to help judge speakers when comparing?

The SRP for the Series Atom & Mini are:
Atoms - $398.00 pair
Mini - $ 558.00 pair.
I was told that they will officially launch today. Soon you will see them on the Paradigm's website.

I was told that they will officially launch today. Soon you will see them on the Paradigm's website.

Well, it's kind of half-way there...

Can the new Center 3 even be compared to the CC-390? Wouldn't it be a downgrade to go from a CC-390 to a new Center 3
Pretty much what I'm thinking as well. It just doesn't seem that the Center 3 would even be close to the same sonics. Damn, I wish I had a big enough room for one. Especially during the closeout sales that will be popping up.
But let's face it, the cc390 is a major beast of a speaker. Worth very inch, but there are a lot of inches...

Does anyone have any theories as to why the sensitivities for the new Series 7 speakers would be lower (both in-home and anechoic) compared to the same v6 speakers?
Or rather, why Paradigm would be OK with lower sensitivity for their new version/series of a speaker line, considering that is a spec many people look at to help judge speakers when comparing?

If they can get better sound quality out of the new tweeters then sensitivity would take a back seat. 90DB 8 ohm speakers are still pretty easy to drive. The new Monitors match up with the Studios. Both the Studio 100 and Monitor 11 are 93DB. If the new Monitors are pretty close to the sound quality of the Studios then it would be worth it to me.

If they can get better sound quality out of the new tweeters then sensitivity would take a back seat. 90DB 8 ohm speakers are still pretty easy to drive. The new Monitors match up with the Studios. Both the Studio 100 and Monitor 11 are 93DB. If the new Monitors are pretty close to the sound quality of the Studios then it would be worth it to me.

New monitors sound better then the v6 but still not close to studios

The SRP for the Series Atom & Mini are:
Atoms - $398.00 pair
Mini - $ 558.00 pair.
I was told that they will officially launch today. Soon you will see them on the Paradigm's website.

Thanks.

New monitors sound better then the v6 but still not close to studios

So you've heard them in person.....What kind of improvement did you notice over the v6's (better midrange, clearer highs, more envelopment, etc)?

Have you had the opportunity to compare the Center 3 with the CC-390? I ask because a friend of mine is offering me enough money for my current Monitor 9's (v6) and CC-390 (v6) to easily pay for the new Series 7 Monitor 9's and Center 3 due to their ridiculously low prices.....but the Center 3 is putting me off because it just doesn't seem close to the CC-390. So I am curious how the new center holds up to the old beast for movie/video game use.

So you've heard them in person.....What kind of improvement did you notice over the v6's (better midrange, clearer highs, more envelopment, etc)?
All of the above
Have you had the opportunity to compare the Center 3 with the CC-390? I ask because a friend of mine is offering me enough money for my current Monitor 9's (v6) and CC-390 (v6) to easily pay for the new Series 7 Monitor 9's and Center 3 due to their ridiculously low prices.....but the Center 3 is putting me off because it just doesn't seem close to the CC-390. So I am curious how the new center holds up to the old beast for movie/video game use.
I was able to listen to the monitor 11 only

I was able to listen to the monitor 11 only

Did you notice a huge difference in sound quality?? Highs? Dynamics?? etc.... I am curious....as well as others I am sure! :)

Did you notice a huge difference in sound quality?? Highs? Dynamics?? etc.... I am curious....as well as others I am sure! :)

Yes I would say about 30% better across the board but don't forget that was at Paradigm headquarters they may sound totally different in our rooms just waiting for some demos to come in so I can really listen and compare.

Yes I would say about 30% better across the board but don't forget that was at Paradigm headquarters they may sound totally different in our rooms just waiting for some demos to come in so I can really listen and compare.

Sounds like an improvement but I am not sure if its worth the $ to sell my version 6 Monitor system to get the version 7 Monitor system! I just want to see them and hear them!!! Actually I shouldnt cause then it will make me want them!!!! lol

Note: The Monitor 11 Series 7 is a true 3-way design (as opposed to 2.5-way). I believe this is a first for the Monitor Series.

Note: The Monitor 11 Series 7 is a true 3-way design. I believe this is a first for the Monitor Series.

Yeah I noticed that as well and I believe your right.....first true 3 way design in the fronts for the Monitor Series!!

According to a local dealer, these are the retail prices for Series 7:
Monitor 7 $450 each
Monitor 9 $600 each
Monitor 11 $750 each


OK, so I just noticed the words "each" and not "pair".
So it's $900 for the Monitor 7's, $1200 for the Monitor 9's, and $1500 for the Monitor 11's?

That would make A LOT more sense to me now.

OK, so I just noticed the words "each" and not "pair".
So it's $900 for the Monitor 7's, $1200 for the Monitor 9's, and $1500 for the Monitor 11's?

That would make A LOT more sense to me now.Exactly. Paradigm has changed the pricing on the Monitor line from "pair" to "each".

I've got a CC470 v3 center that I love and have used it for years with a set of Monitor 7 v3 and a HSU sub. I have noticed an issue with timbre match only a handful of times with movies— and only then if I was listening for it.

I would probably keep the 7s, EXCEPT— I'm moving to a slightly larger room, and I already felt like the Monitor 7's they just don't move enough air when listening to stereo recordings. Also, I would like a bit more refinement on the music side of things.

Looking around the usually selling sites, I am seeing a lot of v2 Studio 40s and 60s out there for pretty cheap. So my question is:

Do I hold out for an affordable v3, (which seem to be few and far between) or do I get a bargain V2, and figure the timbre match is closer to the 470 as both are Studio?

Thanks!

^^^^^^^

I have a 570 and studio 20s v3 and it sound amazing. The front sound stage blends together perfectly. The switch from v2 to v3 was pretty big in the studio line so I would try to get some v3. They highs seem to be better and they will match the 470 perfectly. I had a cc370 I was using with the studio 20s and it sounded better with the center off so I think timbre matching is very important for the front 3. Running something like Audyssey might help if you get the v2 but I still think you would be more happy with v3 for music and movies.

Hi there, this is my first post to the forum, so please be merciful :)

I'm on my way to become a Paradigm owner, Monitor Titan-Bookshelf, when today I was doing some final readings, and could't find them on the Paradigm Page !
Does anyone knows if the Titan Monitor Line has been discontinued ? If so, which would be the closest option ? The studios ?

Regards, and thanks for the Help,

Roberto.

Hi there, this is my first post to the forum, so please be merciful :)

I'm on my way to become a Paradigm owner, Monitor Titan-Bookshelf, when today I was doing some final readings, and could't find them on the Paradigm Page !
Does anyone knows if the Titan Monitor Line has been discontinued ? If so, which would be the closest option ? The studios ?

Regards, and thanks for the Help,

Roberto.

Paradigm has dropped the Titan speaker in the new Monitor series 7 lineup. I do not know the closest option, but the Studio 20 are a hell of a lot more than the the Titans were. If you are looking for a 7" woofer I guess the 20's would be the only option.

Thanks, Smigro. A really pity they dropped the Titan Line. I wonder if it is due to marketing reasons, if they were "stealing" sales from the Studio line.

I can find some Titans in my local dealer, but now I wonder if I should buy them.

Regards,

Roberto

Thanks, Smigro. A really pity they dropped the Titan Line. I wonder if it is due to marketing reasons, if they were "stealing" sales from the Studio line.

I can find some Titans in my local dealer, but now I wonder if I should buy them.

Regards,

Roberto

If I remeber correctly I think someone said it was becasue they were not selling too well, they also dropped the CC-390 apparently for the same reasons. If you setup is just for two channel I think you should go for it, but if it is for HT maybe not. If you are thinking about going with the series7 they may not timbre match with the v6 lineup.