mostly OARI agree with you on all of your points but this -- Universal HD is really hit-or-miss when it comes to OAR and seems to crop more often than not, although they do correctly letterbox some films.

HDTVFanAtic commented:
> Universal HD... worse bandwidth, worse quality <

Could you expand on this a bit? How could it possibly be worse than the blurry upconverts, stretched atrocities, and hacked commercial-laden offerings from TNT-"HD"? How could anything be worse than that?

I've only had UHD for a couple days, and haven't had time to really examine it much. So I'm asking in all sincerity. What I did notice right away though was: no commercial breaks (on films), no content hacked out, no upconverts, no stretching, no constant corner bugs, no popups, and mostly OAR.

- Tim

UHD has shown less than 10 OAR movies - probably closer to 6. None have been on more than twice.

Only one movie has been in 5.1 audio.

Get with us after 60 days of their fine offerings and your 200th viewing of Playing for Keeps and their other stable of less than 100 fine flicks that score in the 3s and 4s on imdb.

Then you will ask yourself do you want to watch Forest Gump on TNT-HD with pop ups and commercials or Ssssss on Universal HD.

Thanks, HFA! That's what I needed to know.

> UHD has shown less than 10 OAR movies - probably closer to 6. <

Hey! Then at 5 days of viewing, I'm at 50% already ;) Lucky me.

- Andromeda Strain, The @2.35
- Dragonheart @2.35
- Possession @2.35

> ...stable of less than 100 fine flicks that score in the 3s and 4s on imdb. <

Yeah, that's a pretty key factor. Thanks for clueing me in.

When you go to their Schedule page, there's a link to their Movies. I saw about 80 films listed there, thinking that was what was on tap for this month and next (not too shabby). I didn't realize that was their entire filmography.

- Tim

Thanks, HFA! That's what I needed to know.


When you go to their Schedule page, there's a link to their Movies. I saw about 80 films listed there, thinking that was what was on tap for this month and next (not too shabby). I didn't realize that was their entire filmography.




By most counts, Universal HD has shown a total of 100 different titles since it went on the air. This list may miss 5 or less, but that's probably it.

Probably 20-25 have shown up in the last 6 weeks - so they have expanded their library by 33% ..... lol.

The few you really want to see may be shown once every 4 months - or even less.

Then you get Decoys every week multiple times to where you know all the lines.


A Countess From Hong Kong
A Little Sex
Airport '77
More American Graffiti
Andromedia Strain the
Apollo 13
Arabella
Army of Darkness
Babe - The Pig
Babe the - The Man
Backdraft
Beethoven's 4th
Billy Madison
Border the
Born on the Fourth Of July
Brighton Beach Memoirs
Bring It On
Bring It On Again
Bugs
Bull Durham
Casino
Casper
Conan The Barbarian
Conan The Destroyer
Control Factor
Coogan's Bluff
Curse of the Werewolf the
Dante's Peak
Darkman III Die Darkman Die
Day of the Jackal
Daylight
DC Sniper 23 Days of Fear
Deathlands
Decoys
Do or Die
Doctor Detroit
The Don Is Dead
Dragonheart
Dune
Ed
Encrypt
Evil Of Frankenstein
Far And Away
Fast And The Furious the
Flinstones
Forty Pounds Of Trouble
Frighteners the
Front Page the
Ghost Story
Gotcha!
Gray Lady Down
Guardian the
Happy Gilmore
Hard To Hold
Hitcher II the
House Calls
Housesitter
I Wanna Hold Your Hand
In Enemy Country
Into The Night
Jackal the
Jesus Christ Superstar
Judgement Night
K-9 P.I.
Legacy
Moment By Moment
More American Graffiti
Mulholland Drive
Musketeer the
Nelson Affair the
Paradise Alley
Pete 'n' Tillie
Playing For Keeps
Posse From Hell
Postman the
Raid On Rommel
Ride To Hangman's Tree
Rollercoaster
Saint Sinner
Scarface
Showdown
Silent Running
Skulls III
Slap Shot 2 Breaking The Ice
Smokey And The Bandit 2
Spy Game
Sssssss
Stealing Christmas
Terminal Invasion
Thoughtcrimes
Threshold
Tremors 3 Back to Perfection
Tremors 4 The Legend Begins
12 Monkeys
U-571
Walker
Webs
What Dreams May Come
Xanadu

So the movies on UniversalHD contain bad language, nudity, and are logo free? Sounds great even if they dont have the best selection. TNT is painful to watch on some R rated movies. Especially when they stretch the hell out of them.

So the movies on UniversalHD contain bad language, nudity, and are logo free? Sounds great even if they dont have the best selection. TNT is painful to watch on some R rated movies. Especially when they stretch the hell out of them.

Errr no, you get a Universal HD logo and the bad language is in 2.0.

As for nudity, I can't say that any comes to mind on Universal HD.

Plus you get to see all the Universal TV shows that were so bad they lasted for 10 -22 episodes and they don't know what else to do with them!!!!!

Who can forget that fine Thanksgiving day marathon!!!!!

If I could only have one, TNT-HD - no question.

UHD has Stargate Atlantis and BSG....TNT-HD has re-runs of Law and Order and Charmed....I'd much rather have UHD and I haven't watched it once...

Other than the NBA its worthless!

Mark

UHD has Stargate AtlantisNo, they don't.

Although the last few months of '05 were dismal, it does seem like Universal HD is trying in '06. There's more of a rotation of series, more movies are popping up...there are at least a few things a month I'm interested in watching, even if it's not something I tune to nearly every day like HDNet Movies.

A channel that shows edited movies with commercial breaks is of very little use to me. I might watch shows like Angel on TNT-HD if they were in high-definition, but taking a letterboxed show, cropping it, then stretching it renders it completely unwatchable. I watch the NBA sometime on TNT-HD, but that's it.

No, they don't.

Although the last few months of '05 were dismal, it does seem like Universal HD is trying in '06. There's more of a rotation of series, more movies are popping up...there are at least a few things a month I'm interested in watching, even if it's not something I tune to nearly every day like HDNet Movies.

A channel that shows edited movies with commercial breaks is of very little use to me. I might watch shows like Angel on TNT-HD if they were in high-definition, but taking a letterboxed show, cropping it, then stretching it renders it completely unwatchable. I watch the NBA sometime on TNT-HD, but that's it.


oh thats right, the Canadians get SGA in HD...I'd still rather trade TNT-HD for just BSG alone...

nice thread, i noticed only 3 movies in HD were OAR.. not that cool.
Thanks for creating this usefull thread :)

Snow Day appeared to be in Stretch-O-Vision this morning.

Not only that but it had serious lines in it. It looked like it was in desperate need of being deinterlaced or something. The picture was also a bit jittery.

The broadcast in HD overlay was present at the beginning also. TNT is really screwing people. Especially newbies who actually think this stretched crap is HD.

agreed snowday looked terrible, like a bunch of midgets or something. luckily I didn't care much for the flick in the first place, but it was unwatchable, especially since I couldn't adjust the aspect ratio..

Year of the Yao this morning in SD stretch-o-vision.

updated... TNT however has done a good job with its sports programming in HD

Here's a few extra films to add to each list:

Stretch-o-vision...

- Armageddon,
- Cradle 2 the Grave,
- Double Team,
- Random Hearts,
- Red Heat,

Additional confirmed films in true HD:

- the Craft,
- Glimmer Man,
- Romeo Must Die,
- Under Siege 2

Thanks for maintaining the list, Ou8thisSN.

- Tim

updated... TNT however has done a good job with its sports programming in HD


What do you mean by that?

Other than the NBA its worthless!

MarkCould say the same for ESPNHD right now unless you consider poker a sport or billiards. Of course theres always College Basketball :rolleyes:

BTW you left out NASCAR

Didn't find this one using search: Star Trek: Insurrection was stretch-o-vision.

Spaceballs is very stretched.:(

shoot, i was hoping Armageddon would be in HD this weekend... oh well.

Disturbing Behavior = Stretched.

Has TNT ever shown a movie in the past stretched and then later on not-stretched?

Disturbing Behavior = Stretched.

Has TNT ever shown a movie in the past stretched and then later on not-stretched?

yes....and some the mix up depending on how much time they want to fill.

Look back in this thread - its not that long.

Jeez. TNT sucks donkey balls lately.

I was looking forward to Armageddon, Spaceballs, and Disturbing Behavior. Very upsetting to hear that all of them are stretched. Thanks for the advance notice though. I would hate to save these 2hour programs to my DVR only to realize they are stretched.

How in the bloody hell can they not air Armageddon in HD at least?! They have been promoting they hell out of it. I am also sure there is a HD copy lying around somewhere. Didn't ABC air it around a year ago? Very lame.

On a positive note... I have been really enjoying there offerings of the first season of ALIAS.

TNT is really losing a great deal of my viewing time. I tend to watch UniversalHD much more now that my cable company finally added it to the lineup.

U.S. Marshalls is listed as HD, but the version they ran at 7:30AM Pacific time this morning was definitely not HD.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9205/usmarshals11tg.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usmarshals11tg.jpg)

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/4189/usmarshals20ik.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=usmarshals20ik.jpg)

Check out how stretched the guy's head gets in the second frame.

Fifth Element is playing on TNT right now. I have to say I think it looks very good.. Much better than the one I saw on HBO or Showtime.

Fifth Element is playing on TNT right now. I have to say I think it looks very good.. Much better than the one I saw on HBO or Showtime.

I disagree. To me it looks like sd. The dvd looks better. Not very impressive at all.

I disagree. To me it looks like sd. The dvd looks better. Not very impressive at all.

Wow...are you sure you weren't watching the sd TNT broadcast? The hd broadcast was outstanding over Brighthouse cable. Crystal clear and great color. If you saw anything differently perhaps its a result of your service provider.

Wow...are you sure you weren't watching the sd TNT broadcast? The hd broadcast was outstanding over Brighthouse cable. Crystal clear and great color. If you saw anything differently perhaps its a result of your service provider.

Yep, I have D*. I really didn't think this was hd. I remember seeing this a few years ago on showtime or hbo and it blew me away.

Yep, I have D*. I really didn't think this was hd. I remember seeing this a few years ago on showtime or hbo and it blew me away.

Again....wow! The 5E broadcast was as good as any hd broadcast I've seen over Brighthouse. Of course, I've never used or seen D* so wouldn't know if it was generally signicantly better or worse than Brightouse. I wonder if certain channels are simply better or worse depending upon the service provider. As good as TNT was tonight, I've got other channels such as sd Sci-Fi that are nearly unwatchable, while other sd channels are pretty good.

What about the short, black horizontal lines around movement? Caused by poor deinterlacing I'm guessing.

What about the short, black horizontal lines around movement? Caused by poor deinterlacing I'm guessing.

Didn't see any artifacts. Now Armageddon...that's an entirely different story.

So are you seeing the lines in "Armegeddon"? Especially around moving mouths when they talk. This is the only channel where I've noticed these lines in (their so called) HD. Someone (they?) seems to be doing bad transfers.

Yep...I am seeing lines like you describe...and I see them frequently in these shows that are stretched.

These are some strange kind of transfers. :confused:

5th element was HD both times it aired this weekend... at least from what I saw, a great transfer as always. US Marshalls was not. Perhaps I should create a category: "Sometimes in HD"

armageddon was not HD..come on guys. It should be quite obvious.

Just look at how the shot is framed...If it is really zoomed in and a guy's head takes up the whole screen (because of stretching), you know it's not HD.

Ugh.

I just recently got FiOS (came from DirecTV) and I caught some of Armageddon and thought it looked horrid. I mean, does TNT know how to stretch? It's as if it looks fat on the edges. I need to go through this thread and see if anyone else thinks it looks "odd" when they stretch films. It was painful to watch that way, and almost wish it was 4:3 so I could use my sets stretch! :( :eek:

Ou8thisSN commented:
> Perhaps I should create a category: "Sometimes in HD" <

Maybe not a bad idea. One thing to keep in mind is that even when TNT has an actual HD transfer they're airing, they do occasionally make the same mistake of many OTA channels when they flip away to commercial, and come back leaving upconvert mode on. So it's possible that folks could come to different conclusions on the same film/airing, if they just sampled it randomly at different times.

- Tim

P.S. To be fair, I've only witnessed this once, and they got it right the following night when they did the 2nd run airing. But I haven't had TNT-HD very long, and I assume it's happened before.

armageddon looked horrible.

BUT I have to give props to them for Fifith Element and Spiderman. Both looked very nice and were most definately HD. I even had a glimpse at The Mask and it looked to be pretty decent.

armageddon looked horrible.

BUT I have to give props to them for Fifith Element and Spiderman. Both looked very nice and were most definately HD. I even had a glimpse at The Mask and it looked to be pretty decent.

I was very disappointed in the way Armageddon looked.

My first impressions of TNT HD are that they suck hard.

1. The big ass TNT logo.
2. The self promoting adds during the film.
3. The horrid picture quality and streching.

If this is what TNT is about, I will not be watching.

Scott

Anyone know if the Underworld showing this Friday will be in HD?

Anyone know if the Underworld showing this Friday will be in HD?

The previous airing was in glorious HD...looked great...It wasn't OAR but it still looked great

Fifth Element is playing on TNT right now. I have to say I think it looks very good.. Much better than the one I saw on HBO or Showtime.

Uhg! TNT completely butchered this movie. Slice and dice, chop and crop... two thumbs way down.

perhaps were seeing different carriers?

I agree that they did edit the movie but in terms of pic quality I cant knock it. im really confused as to the apparent impressions from some verses others.

Valentine was in Stretch-O-Vision

Underworld was not HD last night. Stretch and terrible picture. If they showed it in HD before, they put the wrong tape in.

Why do they advertise it as HD in the program guide if it's obviously not?!

-Mike

Im pretty sure Blade was in HD. Looked and sounded great!

The previous airing was in glorious HD...looked great...It wasn't OAR but it still looked great


Can someone tell me what OAR is? I assume OTA is Over The Air, but can't figure out what OAR might be.

Greg

Original Aspect Ratio.

> Im pretty sure Blade was in HD. <

I don't want to make any definitive statement about what you saw, because I wasn't watching that airing, and TNT does mix things up to keep us guessing. But the times I did catch Blade, it was definitely stretched, although Blade II was true HD.

- Tim

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1239/blade032mf.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1687/blade6jc.jpg

Not in OAR.

Not in Streeeeeeeeetch mode. Why can they do that ALL the time. I*****.

But in True HD. At least.

I will show screencaps if I can.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1239/blade032mf.jpg

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1687/blade6jc.jpg

Not in OAR.

Not in Streeeeeeeeetch mode. Why can they do that ALL the time. I*****.

But in True HD. At least.

I will show screencaps if I can.

weird, the one time I turned on Blade (when they showed the sequel with it), it was definitely stretched...maybe they got a different source

Well, TNT-HD is a PITA to deal with, because even though they air the same films over and over, and several people may have seen and confirmed that a particular film was in the stretched category, that doesn't guarantee that TNT won't at some point come up with a True-HD version. That has happened before, just a few weeks back with "Trapped", which was logged as Stretch, but when I caught it was true HD. Now with Blade.

It's even possible to go in the other direction, with a film we've seen in actual HD before, and find that a particular airing (probably by mistake) is being shown upconverted and stretched. With TNT-HD, you get pot-luck (with a lotta pot, and not much luck).

Blade is airing again on TNT-HD at midnight, March 16th, with reasonable odds it won't be stretched. ;)

- Tim

I was watching Saving Private Ryan last night and I honestly couldn't tell if it was HD or SD....it didn't really look all that sharp, but then again, I can't remember if the movie itself was shot to look sharp...anybody else catch it last night?

I was watching Saving Private Ryan last night and I honestly couldn't tell if it was HD or SD....it didn't really look all that sharp, but then again, I can't remember if the movie itself was shot to look sharp...anybody else catch it last night?

whats your display device? do you have cable or D* ?

I have a 37" sharp LCD , and it looked awesome for me. (via comcast)

whats your display device? do you have cable or D* ?

I have a 37" sharp LCD , and it looked awesome for me. (via comcast)

Comcast digital cable via a DCT6412pIII on a 92" screen via a Panny AE900u

I was watching Saving Private Ryan last night and I honestly couldn't tell if it was HD or SD....it didn't really look all that sharp, but then again, I can't remember if the movie itself was shot to look sharp...anybody else catch it last night?


I think it was HD, because it wasn't stretched. However, a lot of it was shot on 16mm, which has more grain than 35mm. There's a lot of glare in certain scenes, too. People complain about it, but it's not the HD channel or DVD player doing it. It was Spielberg's idea.

Spielberg is bad about making his films grainy. Just look at A.I., Minority Report, War of the Worlds, etc.

The General's Daughter is on now... andf the quality is easily the worst I have ever seen. Even the credits have strange interlacing problems or something. I mean, hell, this looks like a stretched VHS copy encoded in divx.

And The Negotiator was just on as well, looked to me like a DVD transfer.

Saving Private Ryan was in HD, i did numerous comparisons between the regular and HD feed and there was more information on the side on the HD channel. The Negotiator was HD, General's daughter was not.

anyone know about Crimson Tide?

Crimson Tide sreeeeetched mode.

Sucks that Blade was not in OAR, even though an OAR transfer exists because I had it from when UPN aired it a few years ago for Halloween, when they first started doing HD. The transfer looked great, too bad my hard drive crapped out and I lost it along with a couple of old James Bonds HD movies.

Saving Private Ryan was in HD, i did numerous comparisons between the regular and HD feed and there was more information on the side on the HD channel.

I'm not sure what you mean by more information on the side.

I also did comparisons but came up with the opposite result. I compared Saving Private Ryan on both TNT-SD and TNT-"HD" simultaneously using twinview mode. The "HD" channel actually carried a vertically cropped version of what was shown on the SD channel. The content at the edges of the HD frame matched the SD frame. TNT chopped the sides of the OAR of 1.85:1 to get 4:3 then chopped the top and bottom of that to get 16:9. With this method, you get an "HD" image that is actually about 54% of the original. The top of Old Private Ryan's head was cropped off while he walked at the beginning. :eek: I only watched about 30 minutes at the beginning and then the last 10 but it was consistent.

TNT-"HD"=Ridiculous

I'm not sure what you mean by more information on the side.

I also did comparisons but came up with the opposite result. I compared Saving Private Ryan on both TNT-SD and TNT-"HD" simultaneously using twinview mode.
TNT-"HD"=Ridiculous

This seems to take credibility away from many of these reports. Ou8thisSN and yourself have different findings when only one finding can be correct.

But regardless of this, I certainly agree that TNT HD= Ridiculous. Other than the sports, I can't imagine why anyone would want to watch butchered and commercial ridden movies on this faux HD channel.

I'm not sure what you mean by more information on the side.

I also did comparisons but came up with the opposite result. I compared Saving Private Ryan on both TNT-SD and TNT-"HD" simultaneously using twinview mode. The "HD" channel actually carried a vertically cropped version of what was shown on the SD channel. The content at the edges of the HD frame matched the SD frame. TNT chopped the sides of the OAR of 1.85:1 to get 4:3 then chopped the top and bottom of that to get 16:9. With this method, you get an "HD" image that is actually about 54% of the original. The top of Old Private Ryan's head was cropped off while he walked at the beginning. :eek: I only watched about 30 minutes at the beginning and then the last 10 but it was consistent.

TNT-"HD"=Ridiculous

I have done the same with Private Ryan on TNT-HD twice - and it clearly was HD both times - and not chopped as you note.

I cannot speak to what was shown this week as TNT-HD has been known for showing HD at time and SD Stretched at others (Search for Twister Screen shots).

SS put in very stringent requirements for SPR and I suspect you are wrong on this one though. It had to be shown as he originally filmed it and unedited.

Furthermore, unless this showing was different, which again I seriously doubt, none of the constant pop up BS that usually occurs on TNT-HD appears on SPR.

I came accross this channel on my *D channel several times and everytime whatever the movie being shown it looks worse than my DVD pict quality and the screen being stretched so bad it looks funny! So goes a new acronym for it.

thats true about Saving Private Ryan... they didnt even put the "TNT" logo on the bottom right... SS must have a lot of clout, i cant think of any other director that can make such requests and expect them to be carried out.

I have done the same with Private Ryan on TNT-HD twice - and it clearly was HD both times - and not chopped as you note.

I cannot speak to what was shown this week as TNT-HD has been known for showing HD at time and SD Stretched at others (Search for Twister Screen shots).

SS put in very stringent requirements for SPR and I suspect you are wrong on this one though. It had to be shown as he originally filmed it and unedited.

Furthermore, unless this showing was different, which again I seriously doubt, none of the constant pop up BS that usually occurs on TNT-HD appears on SPR.

I stand by my observations. My observations were done during the cemetary seen at the beginning of the movie. The top of Old Private Ryan's head was chopped on the "HD" channel while fully visible in the SD channel in many instances and the content on the left and right edges of the "HD" channel matched the SD channel. Saving Private Ryan was butchered by TNT. Maybe if it was recorded by someone here, the issue could be laid to rest.

I viewed What Lies Beneath on ABC HD a couple of days ago and it was in OAR of 2.35:1. It looked great. On TNT-"HD" last night it was cropped to 16:9.

I can tell you that the quality of TNT-HD Saving Private Ryan is the same as the ABC version and the old HD version from the turn of the Century on the Premium Movie Channel.

Looking at the top of the tree, it appears TNT might loose several lines, but it clearly is identical in quality otherwise to the others.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5836892&&#post5836892


You know what, since I had to resize from 1920x1080i to match ABC, that loss in at the very top of the trees might actually be from that.

I am very doubtful that this presentation was in HD. I was watching on a 125" screen and i repeatedly switched from SD TNT to HD TNT. Although it was cleaner on the HD channel, one thing i repeatedly noticed was that the framing was the exact same on the SD and HD channel. I could not see anymore of the frame on the HD channel. I did test numerous times and it looked the same... maybe it was a new open matte or something...

the next thing was, after about 5 months of having TNT-HD, one "trusty" method I had of verifying whether or not a program was in HD, was an audio/video delay on the HD channel vs the SD counterpart.

coupled with the general lack of clarity, I highly doubt it was HD. I am confused though becuase the audio was definitely DD5.1

Maybe last night it was true HD and tonight it wasnt... who knows. We need to talk to a TNT engineer or something.


Saving Private Ryan was in HD, i did numerous comparisons between the regular and HD feed and there was more information on the side on the HD channel. The Negotiator was HD, General's daughter was not.

anyone know about Crimson Tide?


LOL...just read your comment under the above url Ou8thisSN

You must be a woman!!!!!

I noticed that The Animatrix is scheduled for this Sunday, March 19th, at 4:30 a.m. ET. According to the Master List, this is 1080i and OAR (i.e., 2.35:1). I've only seen one of the seven segments, and it looked terrific on TNT-HD.

thats true about Saving Private Ryan... they didnt even put the "TNT" logo on the bottom right... SS must have a lot of clout, i cant think of any other director that can make such requests and expect them to be carried out.

On the most recent showing, there were both pop-ups after commercial breaks and a persistent TNT bug.

LOL...just read your comment under the above url Ou8thisSN

You must be a woman!!!!!

I know what I said before, and i still stand by that, but the numerous comparisons i was talking about was the one i did on the last showing, and that definitely showed me it was HD.

Blade is in horrendous stretch-o-vision right now on TNTHD.

Blade 2 was shown right before and it looked amazing.


I rarely watch TNT anymore. I just check it every now and then to see if they show anything in HD. UniversalHD has really taken over my viewing from TNT and the INHD channels. I just got fed up with the stretching, cencoring, commercials, and constant LOGOS.

I am just amazed UniversalHD actually made a commitment to offering all HD material and very minimal logo placement. Now if only they would get there bitrate up and add some newer movies (American Pie series) from there library they would be perfect.

As for TNTHD, INHD1 and INHD2..... They could get me back as a viewer but serious changes need to be made. Until then f*ck em.

~10 days ago, I had written in response to shugazer9:
> Blade is airing again on TNT-HD at midnight, March 16th, with reasonable odds it won't be stretched. <

No such luck. The Rock was right:
> Blade is in horrendous stretch-o-vision right now on TNTHD. <

Not just stretched, but also with extra cropping, AND a soft upconvert to boot. A raggedy piece of dog poo. And I stayed up late for it. :mad:

xylon, thanks for the frame caps you posted. Without those (which were definitely HD, though not OAR), it was plain there was no stretch, and you can even see grain. There was no grain (or detail) tonight.

So the obvious question is, "If they have an HD transfer (which xylon demonstrated), why in the he!! do they air this garbage?". Something is totally whack.

- Tim

P.S. BTW, even if it had been HD, there's still a heavy price to pay. They've been running it in a 2 hour slot, with their nominal 30+ minutes of commercials. Since the film's runtime is 2hr, that means they whacked close to 30 minutes of content to make room (they usually get a few minutes back by double-speed scrolling the credits on longer films), even on the "good" airing. :(

I rarely watch TNT anymore. I just check it every now and then to see if they show anything in HD. UniversalHD has really taken over my viewing from TNT and the INHD channels. I just got fed up with the stretching, cencoring, commercials, and constant LOGOS.

I am just amazed UniversalHD actually made a commitment to offering all HD material and very minimal logo placement. Now if only they would get there bitrate up and add some newer movies (American Pie series) from there library they would be perfect.





Say what you want, but outside of NBA season, TNT-HD shows more movies titles in a month than UHD shows in a year (87 last year to be exact).

Furthermore, if you look at the IMDB score of for an average month, you will find the UHD average well over a point lower than any other HD channel.

And in MOST CASES, the quality of transfer and bitrate is far superior on TNT-HD.

Say what you want, but outside of NBA season, TNT-HD shows more movies titles in a month than UHD shows in a year (87 last year to be exact).

Furthermore, if you look at the IMDB score of for an average month, you will find the UHD average well over a point lower than any other HD channel.

And in MOST CASES, the quality of transfer and bitrate is far superior on TNT-HD.


I agree with everything you said here. Its just nice to know that every movie I am interested in on UniversalHD will indeed be HD. Not a guessing game like it is with TNT. Needing a thread devoted just to let people know what is HD and what isn't is insane. TNT should list there programs properly. Even when they have an HD transfer they sometimes dont air it. I have had interest in tons of movies aired on TNTHD and have been let down countless times. If they aired all of those in HD I would be one of there biggest fans and supporters.

I guess instead of comparing TNT to UniversalHD I should just be happy I have them. I should also be happy that UniversalHD didn't succumb to the norm and refused to have a constant logo and edit there content.

TNT is only doing this because right now there is no competition. Soon when other channels go HD, like USA network (i know UHD has a lot of that stuff, but still), Fox, Sci fi, etc, in the next... 5 years, then they will have to do better. I know, lame excuse, but every now and then they do show a good transferred flick or two...

I agree with everything you said here. Its just nice to know that every movie I am interested in on UniversalHD will indeed be HD. Not a guessing game like it is with TNT. Needing a thread devoted just to let people know what is HD and what isn't is insane. TNT should list there programs properly. Even when they have an HD transfer they sometimes dont air it. I have had interest in tons of movies aired on TNTHD and have been let down countless times. If they aired all of those in HD I would be one of there biggest fans and supporters.

I guess instead of comparing TNT to UniversalHD I should just be happy I have them. I should also be happy that UniversalHD didn't succumb to the norm and refused to have a constant logo and edit there content.

In all due respect, the percentage of movies in HD on TNT-HD is HIGHER than on Starz-HD.

You also need a thread to find out the same thing about Starz-HD, yet they charge you over $10 a month for it.

The fact that no one has started a thread on TRUE HD movies on Starz-HD shows how little most care.

In all due respect, the percentage of movies in HD on TNT-HD is HIGHER than on Starz-HD.

You also need a thread to find out the same thing about Starz-HD, yet they charge you over $10 a month for it.

The fact that no one has started a thread on TRUE HD movies on Starz-HD shows how little most care.

That might be a result from StarzHD being so exclusive. I have Cox Cable in Orange County and they dont offer StarzHD. If I remember correctly DirectTV also doesnt offer this channel. I believe TNTHD is offered by all of those providers plus Dish Network. More providers. More people. More complaints.

On a side note, I have seen threads complaining about a lack of HD on StarzHD. Unfortunately Starz doesnt offer any sort of contact information on there official site. Very sad. Starz has several movies I have interest in. I dont think you should be allowed to have HD in your title unless the vast majority of what you air is indeed HD.

In the end I guess we should just be happy with any HD. I remember a couple years ago the only way I could receive any HD (and a very small amount I might add) was with a rooftop antenna.

Pictures say a lot more . . . . . .

For Blade II:

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/8646/bladeii024sa.jpg
True HD *OAR* :eek:

http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/1767/bladeiidvd4qw.jpg
DVD *Not intended for PQ comparison. Its only to show the aspect ratio*

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4121/bladeii5bp.jpg

I observed that:

1. Movies are not shown consistently in True HD or OAR. Somedays it will be SD streched mode. So you will never know when it will be in True HD.

2. The annoying LOGOS, the audible LOGOS, the annoying AND audible commercial graphics on the screen while the movie is playing http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/3041/crazy6nl.gif

3. Heavily edited for content and language. So forget about UNCUT R or sometimes lower rated movies. Blade II is the worst (best?) example. SPR is the only exception.

4. The way TNT HD movies are presented is really something to get angry and dissappointed. I only watch this channel whenever I could for Law & Order (its on my HD Tivo season pass) and some sports.

5. STARZ HD show movies uncut and no LOGOS. A big plus over TNT. And because of this archive worthy. Sin City & The Incredibles are the best example that was shown by STARZ HD.

UHD is also uncut. It shows its logo but not throught the movie and its very unintrusive compared to TNT HD.

so.... now that we know that even the movies on the confirmed HD list can sometimes not be HD... doesnt that defeat the whole point of this thread? Now, i had no idea that TNT would do this when i originally wanted to start this thread, but now it seems that the list is unreliable as it can or cannot be HD, based on whatever TNT feels like showing.

Yup.

Encino Man was in Stretch-O-Vision

Not only that but it had some of the worst picture quality I have seen in awhile. It was literally hurting my eyes to watch. It was also in desperate need of deinterlacing. There were horrible horizontal lines whenever there was any sort of movement.

Another movie I had interest in. Another movie listed as HD on the guide. Another movie that had the "High Definition" onscreen overlay. Another moved stretched all to hell by TNT.

Probably mentioned before, but Back to the Future is stretchovision.

It honestly looks like a stretched to Wide 4:3 Laserdisc presentation with amped up color.

Ugh. TNT-HD are incredibly lame and flat out lazy. My public television HD feed of cooking shows and travelogues looks better! :(

Some of these have already been reported by others, but I thought I'd dump my list of TNT disappointments for the past couple weeks, and clear my logs.

Stretch-O-Vision: :(
- Antitrust,
- Crimson Tide,
- Crocodile Dundee In LA (#3),
- Dangerous Minds,
- The Devil's Own,
- Encino Man,
- FireBirds,
- Generals Daughter,The,
- Panic (also upconverted SD),
- Tequila Sunrise

And True-HD... :eek: what's that?!
- Entrapment,
- Rush Hour 2

Random... :mad:
- Blade (usually stretched; once for sure in HD, so they DO have it)

I.e., the overwhelming majority of good films showing up on TNT-lyingSackOfCrap-HD are a huge disappointment, and should be a massive embarrassment to TNT.

- Tim

Space Cowboys looks HD today

holy crap, The Patroit is also TrueHD....two in a row, I'm honestly shocked

chances of Gladiator being stretched?

It will not be in the original aspect ratio, that is a promise,

3 in a row! Gladiator in glorius HD...looks great

I think What Lies Beneath last night was true HD. I only watched briefly.

3 in a row! Gladiator in glorius HD...looks great
Not OAR though. :rolleyes:

True HD = OAR

Is Planes, Trains, Autos in stretch-o-vision?

I think What Lies Beneath last night was true HD. I only watched briefly.


okay thats it, damnit, i give up. lets all go home guys...

Animatrix in OAR True-HD. I know it has been mentioned that it was shown before in OAR HD, but I didn't really believe it, but they are showing it now. Looks pretty good. I can't imagine how it would look in 1920x1080i, since I have D*.

Animatrix in OAR True-HD. I know it has been mentioned that it was shown before in OAR HD, but I didn't really believe it, but they are showing it now. Looks pretty good. I can't imagine how it would look in 1920x1080i, since I have D*.

hmmm crap, isn't coming on again....according to their schedule

Planes, Trains & Automobiles = Stretch-o

Animatrix in OAR True-HD. I know it has been mentioned that it was shown before in OAR HD, but I didn't really believe it, but they are showing it now. Looks pretty good. I can't imagine how it would look in 1920x1080i, since I have D*.


I set both my DVRs for this! looked awesome!

forrest gump and gladiator... still HD

I missed Gladiator. My plan is to post pictures from the BEV broadcast and TNT D*.

Oh well maybe next time.

I watched gladiator for about 10 minutes and noticed a bunch of audio dropouts on D*? Anyone else experiencing this?

Animatrix in OAR True-HD. I know it has been mentioned that it was shown before in OAR HD, but I didn't really believe it, but they are showing it now. Looks pretty good. I can't imagine how it would look in 1920x1080i, since I have D*.

I just finished watching my recording of this. The following "chapters" were missing:

Kid's Story
Program
A Detective Story

The following were included:

Final Flight of the Osiris
The Second Renaissance (both parts 1 and 2)
World Record
Beyond
Matriculated

My hunch is that TNT cut the three chapters to allow room for the four-minute commercial breaks between each chapter.

"Death Becomes Her" was in Stretch-O-Vision.
"Little Nicky" was also in Stretch-O-Vision.

"Mortal Kombat" was in Stretch-O-Vision

Not only that but it looked like a 10th generation VHS copy. Truly horrible.

Not OAR though. :rolleyes:

Gladiator was open matte

I watched a decent amount of "Saving Private Ryan" today. It was in HD. Had the TNT logo. Language (EXAMPLE: f-bombs) was censored. Violence (EXAMPLE: sniper getting shot through the eye) wasn't censored.

I don't watch TNT-HD much anymore (only when there's nothing else showing on any other channel), but I should probably post my list of recent observations (disappointments) over the last 3-4 weeks...

True HD:

- Blade I = in HD Once, usually stretched (90%+ of the time)


Stretch-o-vision:

- 6 Days, 7 Nights,
- (Along Came A Spider = stretched _once_, usually HD),
- Angel Eyes,
- Bed of Lies,
- Copycat,
- Deadly Intentions... Again,
- Death Becomes Her,
- Disclosure,
- The Juror,
- Little Nicky,
- Reindeer Games,
- Serendipity
- Stir of Echoes,
- Without Her Consent (+upCon)

There seems to be a preponderance of non-HD airings from TNT recently.

- Tim

sorry i've been neglecting this thread for a while, but i'll update it now

Edit: Updated.

I am watched the Matrix today and I am currently watching the Matrix Reloaded on TNT-HD. What is the consensus? After reviewing this forum, some think it's HD, others not. It looks like HD to me and not stretch-o-vision.

I am watched the Matrix today and I am currently watching the Matrix Reloaded on TNT-HD. What is the consensus? After reviewing this forum, some think it's HD, others not. It looks like HD to me and not stretch-o-vision.
Watched a little bit of the matrix this morning and its was not Stretched but it wasnt OAR either.

the maxtrix reloaded was in HD one time i watched it, and it was not in HD another tiem i watched it. this thread is essentially useless. we cant update this thread and use it to reliably predict which movie will be HD. TNT apprently airs whichever version it wants on a whim.

this thread is essentially useless. we cant update this thread and use it to reliably predict which movie will be HD. TNT apprently airs whichever version it wants on a whim.
yep, only solution is to set your DVR to record all the movies TNTHD and hope that a few of them will actually be HD.

we cant update this thread and use it to reliably predict which movie will be HD. TNT apprently airs whichever version it wants on a whim.Correct.

Does anyone know if TNT-HD will air The Matrix Revolutions?

Thanks guys
Gary

Does anyone know if TNT-HD will air The Matrix Revolutions?

Thanks guys
Gary

It probably will at some point, but it most likely will not be in OAR. To me, not showing in OAR is a deal-breaker, hands down.

It probably will at some point, but it most likely will not be in OAR. To me, not showing in OAR is a deal-breaker, hands down.
I'd accept true 16:9. But stretched 4:3, no way. I refuse to watch and erase movies immediately as soon as I discover that's the format TNT-HD is using.

I think it would be great. Are you confident that you can spot HD versus a good upconvert?
I agree, I thought National Security was an HD master, of course it wasn't super sharp, but that's the case even with an HD master with TNT's decreased bandwidth.

My first impressions of TNT HD are that they suck hard.

1. The big ass TNT logo.
2. The self promoting adds during the film.
3. The horrid picture quality and streching.

If this is what TNT is about, I will not be watching.

Scott
Jeez, you guys are way too hard on TNT. At least they have an HD channel that is on most carriers and it appears they are trying to get the best movies they can get on. Their NBA coverage was outstanding. Of course you are going to get ads, it isn't HBO. As far as picture quality, it isn't a 25 mb stream, but what channel is. It looks pretty on par with NBC and CBS's HD quality to me.

Wireless commented:
> Jeez, you guys are way too hard on TNT. <

In my opinion, not hard enough. Considering that they're committing fraud, by claiming that the upconverted, stretched content that they're airing is HD, when it is NOT. If it takes a class-action lawsuit to get them to stop that practice, then I'd say it's justified. How about some "truth in advertising"? I guess that's an obsolete concept.

> At least they have an HD channel that is on most carriers and it appears they are trying to get the best movies they can get on. <

What's the point? They could have fantastic movies, but after they get done mutilating them, who wants to watch that garbage? And who has the time to watch every airing to catch the sporadic one that's not stretched?

My solution was simply to remove them from my channel list and guides, so TNT doesn't even exist for me anymore, though I'm still forced to pay for it. Problem solved.

- Tim

Wireless commented:
> Jeez, you guys are way too hard on TNT. <

In my opinion, not hard enough. Considering that they're committing fraud, by claiming that the upconverted, stretched content that they're airing is HD, when it is NOT.
My solution was simply to remove them from my channel list and guides, so TNT doesn't even exist for me anymore, though I'm still forced to pay for it. Problem solved.

- TimDang... you are hardcore. I never take my TV that seriously.

This is kind of a dated thread, but I felt this was the most appropriate place for this question/comment. It's about TNT. I like their programming. I don't even mind their stretched upconverted content because it looks so good. I love the movies and the HD Law & Orders. But can someone please tell me, what is going on with the logo/ads?

THE CLOSER
ALL NEW EPISODES TNT
TOMORROW 9PM

This logo seems to be on all the time. I mean all the time. THE CLOSER does not seem to come and go occasionally, it has become a permanent part of the TNT logo. This is really horrible. Aside from being a huge burn-in problem, it is incredibly distracting. What are they thinking? It has to be the biggest logo in all the cable world.

I like their programming. I don't even mind their stretched upconverted content because it looks so good. I love the movies and the HD Law & Orders.
i like tnt too. if you don't have premium channels, you don't get to see broadcast HD movies very often. at least TNT has some on, usually on the weekends which is when I watch. i saw blade II recently, which looked really good and yesterday watched a knight's tale which had awesome pq. i've watched blade II a bunch of times but i probably wouldn't have watched a knight's tale yesterday if it wasn't for the excellent pq. i was just admiring it the entire time.
there are other movies i've caught too which have been in HD and am very happy that i have the channel.

I found that ignorance can be bliss. There was a time I didn't mind watching movies on commercial TV. I could tolerate the commercials, edits for time, and the censoring. I usually watched the HD movies on channels like ABC. I was just happy to see ANYTHING in HD. Then my cable company finally offered HD movie channels. Since then my interest in movies on commercial TV has decreased a huge amount.

There also used to be a time when I didn't mind hugely if SD content was on HD channels. It usually looked a great deal better than my basic SD channels for that same material. But since then I have also grown weary of that. Almost everything should be offered in HD by now. I have been patient. HD technology has been around since the 80's. It should be up and running fully by now. TNT is just being cheap and lazy. Almost all of the material that they offer IS available in HD.

As for TNT. Its sort of like this thread. I almost forgot about it. It used to be relevant. I used to be a fan. I used to watch it a great deal. But it has alienated me WAY to many times. I cant even remember the last time I watched TNT. I gave up on it. In part due to the horrible LOGOS that you are talking about. They are absurd. If it wasn't for there NBA coverage I would probably never watch.

I just wish I was a rich bastard so I could buy all of these sh!tty stations and finally offer the people a good product.

Kill Bill is on in glorious...STRECH-O-VISION. :( :( :(

Kill Bill Looks like ****.
Worse than DVD.

Kill Bill is on in glorious...STRECH-O-VISION. :( :( :(

We call it "Crap-o-Vision"

Worse than being stretched crap, the censoring is just outrageous. The scene where Oren Ishii decapitates the Yakuza guy is just wretched. You can actually see where someone took a circa 1999 copy of Gimp and tried to cover up Ishii's naughty language. Her face completely warps for a few seconds. This is actually worse than I was expecting, and I was expecting it to be pretty bad. It really isn't even worth watching. I think I'll break out my DVD instead.

what a shame... I actually hoped this would be in HD. heh... maybe they will show part 2 in HD tommorrow. anyone wanna place bets?

what a shame... I actually hoped this would be in HD. heh... maybe they will show part 2 in HD tommorrow. anyone wanna place bets?

I'll take not in HD. BTW, you can add The Crow to the confirmed NOT in hd list.

heh looked good when it went through all the Premium channels in HD....TNT suxors!

Vol2 = STRETCH-O-VISION = REALLY DUMB

TNT sucks

Devil's Advocate......If Miramax is going to release Kill Bill Vol. 1 and 2 on Blu-Ray, why would they release a HD transfer to TNT(even a heavily edited one)? Yes I know SHO has also aired KB 1&2 in HD, but that's a premium channel.

Was Kill Bill 2 in HD last night? Is the censoring so bad that I might as well go out and rent the DVD? I've seen 1 but not 2.

no

I do not have TNT HD on my cable system, but I have become curious as to the complaints that I have seen about the video.

Does anyone have an idea as to WHY TNT doesn't show the programming in its original size format but with 1080 lines of resolution? It would then look as good as some of the gorgeous network 4:3 commercials that we now see.

Does anyone have an idea as to WHY TNT doesn't show the programming in its original size format but with 1080 lines of resolution? It would then look as good as some of the gorgeous network 4:3 commercials that we now see.

For many of the same reasons that HBOHD and others also do not present everything in Original Apsect Ratio. They believe that many of their viewers want their screen filled with no black bars.

TNT's adds to this nonsense by not only croping films but also Stretching SD material.

Croping is nasty :confused: ......but stretching is horror :eek: . Thus TNT is basicly dead to me

i think TNT primarily set up this channel just for NASCAR and the NBA, both of which they do a great job, week after week. I think the HD movies are somewhat of a bonus, and unfortunately for us, not much of a priority for them.

if only middle america could love Formula1...then we could get F1 in HD...:(

TNT actually shows some pretty good movies, so it's a shame that they don't show more of them in HD. They obviously have the capability to do so, it makes no sense that they don't.

Rumble in the Bronx in on right now and its not all stretchy. Too bad its the American version.

Galaxy Quest is in HD. (Well, it's not stretched at least. The transfer is so soft that it might as well be an upconverted dvd, but, hey even that's a vast improvement for TNT)

if only middle america could love Formula1...then we could get F1 in HD...:(

Dream on. Fat chance of middle America ever loving real racing................... Formula1 :o

Yes I know SHO has also aired KB 1&2 in HD, but that's a premium channel.
I've never seen the Kill Bills on SHO. They've been on Starz but always upconverts

I like TNT for what it is. I don't consider it a movie channel and never watch movies on it. I think its great for NBA and HD reruns (L&O, ER, Without a Trace, etc.). I'm sure there are one or two Nascar fans that like it too.

All,

I know a lot of bits have spilled over the problems with TNTHD movies; but here goes, anyway.

Even among movies that are "not HD" I see great variation, e.g. Austin Powers/Shagged has distorted proportions but is otherwise sharp and clear, whereas Aliens is both distorted and of low PQ. For me these two movies do not fall into the same class at all, one is potentially watchable and the other I delete after getting a glimpse of it; so I think it would be worth making a further distinction in the non-HD category, between movies with excellent PQ and those with crappy PQ.

Now, about the "potentially" in "potentially watchable". IMO when TNT HD stretches a movie out to 16:9 the results are simply laughable - especially for instance when an actor tilts his/her head sideways and it elongates! :D I call these miserable pieces of work "malmorphic" (badly formed) widescreen; and Austin/Shagged is definitely one of these.

I do most playback through a MyHD card which provides hw support for mpeg decoding; it provides a few fixed choices of playback aspect ratios. I tried playing back some malmorphic movies at 4:3, but they still don't look right - at that AR faces are too skinny.

Then I took a cue from other 4:3 programs shown on HD channels by legit networks - have you ever noticed they are a bit wider on the HD channels than on the SD ones? I took a ruler to my TV screen, and found a 13:9 aspect ratio on those, and by flipping back and forth I see that the extra width is actually extra picture, not a stretch. I think this is due to the horizontal overscan which is not seen in an SD picture but evidently included when reformatting into a pillarbox for an HD channel. MyHD will not play back in 13:9, but I also have zplayer which supports custom aspect ratios. I set it to 13:9, tried Austin/Shagged and VOILA! the malmorphic widescreen program is transformed back into a crisp, appealing narrowscreen+ program.

That's not a complete solution for me, because my HTPC at 2.4 GHz P4 does not have the horsepower to sustain the framerate for software-only playback of HD programs; so I still can't really watch it. What I guess I need is a video editor that can resample the mpeg file from 1920x1080 to 1560x1080, and position the video image at a horizontal offset of 180 pixels.

I've been burned a couple of times already by video editor vendor claims about capabilities in handling HD, and feel reluctant to buy any more of the %^$^% things on speculation that they just might be telling the truth "this time". I had a demo version of Magix Movie Edit Pro 10 that would actually open a small sample file, allowed me to define the exact change needed (position and size menu item), and looked reasonable on screen; but the demo won't save the output, so I have no idea how long it might take or whether the PQ will survive the process (or even if it actually can save the file at all).

In Conclusion:

1. Can we add something to the "not HD" listing to further classify the PQ? (I nominate Austin/Shagged as "high" and Aliens as "low"; I suppose "disputed" wouild have to be among the choices as well...)

2. Can anyone testify to the ability (or inability) of any video editors to make the necessary corrections?
Can we at last find a cure for MWS (Malmorphic Widescreen Syndrome)?


-tom-

Change the channel. Why watch cropped, malmorphed movies? Go rent the DVD (I own the DVD for most of the movies aired on TNT).

Change the channel. Why watch cropped, malmorphed movies? Go rent the DVD ...

Well, Marc, if you want to change the channel on all TNTHD movies I won't suggest you do otherwise. I think this thread is for people who are interested in the movies on THTHD. (Thread: TNT HD - Movies in HD/SD Master Topic)

As for DVDs, with few exceptions commercial DVDs are compressed to such a low bit rate that they don't even begin to fully take advantage of even the SD video standard. If you are satisfied with the way they look, good for you; maybe your equipment is that much better at processing them, or whatever.

But SOME of the malmorphic movies on TNTHD actually seem to have better PQ, hidden inside the distortion, than any DVD. So, I'm looking for an effective way to recover those movies. Maybe some others are interested in this too.

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As for the L&O and ER etc. reruns you say you watch on TNTHD, the few times I've looked at those they have been obviously, grotesquely malmorphed, and I could not possibly stand to watch it... but to each his own: if you are able to enjoy them, good for you.

Animatrix: Final Flight of the Osiris was presented in OAR.

Appears to be an upconvert as the quality is no better than the DVD (and add the TNT bug throughout its entirety).

Well, Marc, if you want to change the channel on all TNTHD movies I won't suggest you do otherwise. I think this thread is for people who are interested in the movies on THTHD. (Thread: TNT HD - Movies in HD/SD Master Topic)

As for DVDs, with few exceptions commercial DVDs are compressed to such a low bit rate that they don't even begin to fully take advantage of even the SD video standard. If you are satisfied with the way they look, good for you; maybe your equipment is that much better at processing them, or whatever.

But SOME of the malmorphic movies on TNTHD actually seem to have better PQ, hidden inside the distortion, than any DVD. So, I'm looking for an effective way to recover those movies. Maybe some others are interested in this too.

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As for the L&O and ER etc. reruns you say you watch on TNTHD, the few times I've looked at those they have been obviously, grotesquely malmorphed, and I could not possibly stand to watch it... but to each his own: if you are able to enjoy them, good for you.
You are correct. My comments were inflammatory and out of place in this thread.

I'll have to disagree regarding DVDs. Most modern DVDs have excellent MPEG encoding. I won't get into OAR since it is obvious those in this thread don't give a rats ass about it.

L&O has been full 16x9 for every episode for quite a few months now. It appears they went back and retransferred even the older episodes that never originally aired in 16x9. Older ER episodes are still morphed.

Enjoy your movies.

Can we also put what TV shows are HD/SD at the top? This would clear up a lot of confusion for me, and alot of others.
The X Files Stretch-O-Vision™ (?)
Angel- Stretch-O-Vision™
Charmed-Stretch-O-Vision™
Law & Order-True HD
Cold Case- True HD
Without a Trace- True HD
ER- True HD (Earlier episodes are HD, but possibly stretched out as well)
The Closer-True HD
Saved- True HD

Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life is in HD.

Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life is in HD.

looked like crap though

Can we also put what TV shows are HD/SD at the top? This would clear up a lot of confusion for me, and alot of others.
The X Files Stretch-O-Vision™ (?)
Angel- Stretch-O-Vision™
Charmed-Stretch-O-Vision™
Law & Order-True HD
ER- True HD (Stretched from 4:3?)
The Closer-True HD
Saved- True HD

Without A Trace and Cold Case are also HD.

Can we also put what TV shows are HD/SD at the top? This would clear up a lot of confusion for me, and alot of others.
The X Files Stretch-O-Vision™ (?)
Angel- Stretch-O-Vision™
Charmed-Stretch-O-Vision™
Law & Order-True HD
ER- True HD (Stretched from 4:3?)
The Closer-True HD
Saved- True HD
I don't watch their reruns often, so I'm not sure, but from what I have seen, I suspect they run 16:9 episodes where available and stretch the others. A number of series started in 4:3, then switched later, so TNT may air the more recent episodes in 16:9. In some cases, an HD version is not yet in syndication, even though the shows originally aired in HD.

None of which explains TNT's bewildering approach to movies, though. :rolleyes:

ER- True HD (Stretched from 4:3?)
:confused: Not sure what that means. Those are mutually exclusive.

A number of series started in 4:3, then switched later, so TNT may air the more recent episodes in 16:9. In some cases, an HD version is not yet in syndication, even though the shows originally aired in HD.


I beg to differ. I watch Angel every morning while I get ready for work and they stretch the last three seasons which were produced in HD.

TNT-HD rarely shows true HD. I have seen a couple episodes of Law and Order reruns in HD and maybe one movie but that is it. This is more of a waste than Universal HD. It is a shame because they have the content but just don't care about the product they produce.

I beg to differ. I watch Angel every morning while I get ready for work and they stretch the last three seasons which were produced in HD.

TNT-HD rarely shows true HD. I have seen a couple episodes of Law and Order reruns in HD and maybe one movie but that is it. This is more of a waste than Universal HD. It is a shame because they have the content but just don't care about the product they produce.
It seems that it's mostly non-WB produced shows that get the Stretch-O-Vision treatment. Perhpas FOX is neglecting to provide HD versions of X Files and Angel?

But are those shows even ready for HD? IMDB says The X Files, despite looking almost HD on the DVDs, was edited on WS videotape up until the end. Same for Angel. Did anyone ever catch these shows in HD when they were on the air? I would love to see both shows in HD.

i updated the thread with the movie responses. I am not adding a grading of picture quality for movies in hd/sd because that is way to subjective for anything that can be taken as legitimate. in terms of tv shows, I really hadnt thought about that when i started this thread but if there's a general consensus that we need that, then i can, but i think TNT is pretty clear cut in which series have consistently been HD and which havent. this is why i didnt include it to begin with.

Ou8thisSN, you need to use the full title Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life (or list it as Tomb Raider 2).

It seems that it's mostly non-WB produced shows that get the Stretch-O-Vision treatment. Perhpas FOX is neglecting to provide HD versions of X Files and Angel?

But are those shows even ready for HD? IMDB says The X Files, despite looking almost HD on the DVDs, was edited on WS videotape up until the end. Same for Angel. Did anyone ever catch these shows in HD when they were on the air? I would love to see both shows in HD.

I am a big Angel fan and watched every episode when it was on UPN. I can say every season after the second season was in HD.


How do you explain the random nature of when a movie are shown in HD. A couple months ago when TNT had their "Signs" marathon one of the 5 showings a day would be in HD. Please explain?

I am a big Angel fan and watched every episode when it was on UPN. I can say every season after the second season was in HD...
I have no interest in defending TNT, but they can't be blamed if the versions of a show offered for syndication are not in HD. Blame the distributors and/or quite possibly even the often arcane SAG/AFTRA rules regarding residuals. (I don't know anything about current entertainment industry union contracts, but back in the days when I did have to deal with them I often walked around shaking my head, mumbling incoherently. :eek: )

You'll often see reruns of shows originally aired in HD being broadcast on local stations in SD (although rarely stretched), even when it's the same O&O affiliate that aired the HD version in the first place. Last year, for example, Veronica Mars was in HD during it's first showing, but the following Sunday's rerun on the same Chicago station was always in upconverted SD. (Could have been an equipment issue.) The same thing happens with a lot of previous season's shows on different networks (CSI comes to mind).

As I said before, what TNT does with movies defies any rational explanation.

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During the FRAKKKKKING MOVIE! ! ! !

Can it get any worse with this channel?

Xylon inquired:
> Can it get any worse with this channel? <

Sure! When Leeloo on the ledge breaks character, turns to the viewer and says, "Don't forget to watch 'The Matrix Reloaded' on Saturday night!", then turns back and jumps. :eek:

You probably think I'm joking, but with the direction things are going, consumer apathy, and the ability to do CGI inserts, in 10 years I wouldn't be surprised at all to see that happen. :mad:

- Tim

I am a big Angel fan and watched every episode when it was on UPN. I can say every season after the second season was in HD.

You can't be that much of an Angel fan if you don't even remember what network it aired on. (The correct answer is the WB.) Season 5 was the only season originally aired in HD (and it's not entirely clear whether it was true 1080i HD or upconverted).

IIRC, all seaons of Angel we shot 16:9 protected. Season 3-5 were composed for widescreen and aired letterboxed on the WB and in broadcast syndication. Seasons 2-5 were presented in anamorphic widescreen on the DVD box sets. The fool screen transfers of seasons 3-5 of Angel seem to exist exclusively for TNT and aren't terribly watchable, even before considering the stretch-o-vision issue, because so much action occurs outside of the 4:3 area.

You can't be that much of an Angel fan if you don't even remember what network it aired on. (The correct answer is the WB.) Season 5 was the only season originally aired in HD (and it's not entirely clear whether it was true 1080i HD or upconverted).

IIRC, all seaons of Angel we shot 16:9 protected. Season 3-5 were composed for widescreen and aired letterboxed on the WB and in broadcast syndication. Seasons 2-5 were presented in anamorphic widescreen on the DVD box sets. The fool screen transfers of seasons 3-5 of Angel seem to exist exclusively for TNT and aren't terribly watchable, even before considering the stretch-o-vision issue, because so much action occurs outside of the 4:3 area.

Here in West Palm Beach the UPN channel used to show WB content because there was not a WB channel. Now it is the CW.

TNT HD is show Rush Hour 1 & 2 in HD. I remeber reading here earlier that Rush Hour 2 wasn't in HD. I switched from TNT to TNT-HD and back and saw the titles were moved over or in a different place in the TNT version while while the TNT-HD were in the regular place.


Rush Hour 2 16:9 HD No Stretching.

Proof of Life is in HD.

Add Turner & Hooch to the "confirmed not in HD" list.

Shanghai Noon was malmorphic and definitely NOT HD.

These were all in malmorphic widescreen and definitely NOT HD (for most the PQ was truly awful):

A Walk to Remember
Ella Enchanted
Jersey Girl
My Stepmother is an Alien
She's All That
The Postman

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Ali was on the other night, not OAR of course, but it was HD and looked pretty fantastic.

Presumed Innocent was NOT HD - it was malmorphic widescreen.

FWIW, when scanning through it to decide if I would keep it (no!) I saw a scene where the camera is pointed straight at a wall with a clock. I measured the clock from top to bottom and across the sides; although the real clock was undoubtedly circular, in the vid it is wider than it is high, and the ratio as I measured it is .81; this works out to a corrected aspect ratio of 12.96:9, which is consistent with my previous guesstimate of 13:9.

But, no one has testified to any tools that can make this correction, and I have not found any more malmorphic movies (other than Austin/Shagged) with a high enough PQ to justify keeping it, anyway.

A Civil Action was also malmorphic widescreen, NOT HD.

OTOH, American Beauty was HD, and minimally cut too.

I just viewed Matrix Reloaded on TNTHD today.

Has anyone noticed previously that only some of the language in the movie was overdubbed?

I'm assuming that this is only true of the HD broadcast but I was not only surprised to find a few sh**'s in the movie, I was equally surprised to find some other ones dubbed out. It was a very bizarre experience and almost makes me wish I had watched it beginning to end in order to view the entire schizophrenic experience.

Does this happen frequently with true HD movies on TNT or was this just an anomaly?

YY

You can't be that much of an Angel fan if you don't even remember what network it aired on. (The correct answer is the WB.) Season 5 was the only season originally aired in HD (and it's not entirely clear whether it was true 1080i HD or upconverted).

IIRC, all seaons of Angel we shot 16:9 protected. Season 3-5 were composed for widescreen and aired letterboxed on the WB and in broadcast syndication. Seasons 2-5 were presented in anamorphic widescreen on the DVD box sets. The fool screen transfers of seasons 3-5 of Angel seem to exist exclusively for TNT and aren't terribly watchable, even before considering the stretch-o-vision issue, because so much action occurs outside of the 4:3 area.
You're so right. I was watching an episode where Lorne gets knocked out and has to tell the story from his mind, and almost 95% of the time, you could only see 1/3 of his head. I think the creators might have done that so that people would call up and complain.

I find it very odd that a series (especially one as memorable as Angel) was NOT shown in HD in 2004, and especially when it had been shown letterboxed for the past 3 season, and had been as HD-ready as they could have possibly been. This and Friends are the two biggest shockers of the non-HD treatment.

But, if they have an SD-only syndication deal, why not just play the DVDs? Who would object? The creator obviously intended for WS, and if the studio had been distributing LBX to other syndicators, then I have a hard time figuring out who at the studio would file a lawsuit.

But, if they have an SD-only syndication deal, why not just play the DVDs? Who would object? The creator obviously intended for WS, and if the studio had been distributing LBX to other syndicators, then I have a hard time figuring out who at the studio would file a lawsuit.

You can't broadcast from DVDs - the quality just isn't acceptable for broadcast use. You'd need clones (or at best copies) of the DigiBeta (or whichever format it was mastered to) final edit tapes for transmission.

Mr. Deeds is HD.

I looked at the Whole 9 yards for 30 seconds while channel surfing and it did not appear to be in HD - which is strange as it has been on CBS in True HD multiple times.

Looking through my notes for the past few weeks, and reporting only movies I don't see listed:

These movies were in HD:

Mr. Deeds
...ththat's all!


These were not HD, malmorphic widescreen:

Signs
Entrapment
From Dusk Til Dawn

So sorry about misleading formatting! - ...ththat's all! was an editorial comment, an expression of dismay at the scarcity of good HD on TNT, not a movie title!

The Mists of Avalon was HD.

I Know What You Did Last Summer was not - it was malmorphic widescreen

"Gone With the Wind" is, supposidly, being shown in the early morning hours (Sunday).

"Gone With the Wind" is, supposidly, being shown in the early morning hours (Sunday).

10:00 am on the East Coast. It was reported here that TNT telecast this in HD and unstretched (in 1.37 OAR) a couple of years ago. Let's hope history repeats.

It's going to be on starting Dec 9th. Any way to find out if all of the movies will be in HD, OAR hopefully.

10:00 am on the East Coast. It was reported here that TNT telecast this in HD and unstretched (in 1.37 OAR) a couple of years ago. Let's hope history repeats.It did. 4:3 HDTV. Looks good.

I came across "The General's Daughter" airing on TNT last week, and unlike previous showings, it wasn't stretched! I thought, "Hey, they finally got an HD transfer". The noon airing was already in progress, so I checked, and it was running again at midnight, so I set up a recording.

Of course, you know where I'm going with this. The midnight run was stretched, AND had an extra 30-minutes chopped out of it. Looking back, the noon airing had a 2h30m time slot, but the midnight was constrained to 2h.

Fascinating that they won't even air HD when they have it. :mad: I guess that's too much to ask for an "HD" station.

- Tim

Wohoo OAR and no logos!!!

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Aw F***!

Anyone know if The Chronicles of Riddick tonight will be an upconvert or true hd?

Anyone know if The Chronicles of Riddick tonight will be an upconvert or true hd?
I don't think even the TNT-HD staff knows whether it will be upconvert or true HD. I can make no sense of or discern any pattern in which movies will be in true HD and which will be SD Stretch-O-Vision. None at all. According to the posts here, some showings of the same movie are in HD and some stretched SD!

I wonder if there are two TNT-HD engineers who play Paper-Rock-Scissors before loading a movie. One guy has the HD version, the other the SD. The loser of Paper-Rock-Scissors has to load his tape of the movie. Seriously. This makes as much sense as any other explanation I have read for TNT-HD movie scheduling.

From what I can tell, most of the newer TV shows - the more recent L&Os, Without a Trace, Cold Case, their in-house series such as Closer - are reliably in HD. OTOH, the cropped stretch-o-vision job to Angel defies comprehension...

Watched riddick tonight and the quality looked pretty decent on my 1080i 40" display.

I don't know, maybe someone can tell me if this is streched or just cropped, it didn't look stretched from 4:3, but the TV 14 V logo at the top left after commercials did look a bit skewed.

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Doesn't really look like stretch-o-vision to me. But if it's not true hd or stretch-o-vision what is it?

Looked like hd to me...and very nice.

From what I can tell, most of the newer TV shows - the more recent L&Os, Without a Trace, Cold Case, their in-house series such as Closer - are reliably in HD. OTOH, the cropped stretch-o-vision job to Angel defies comprehension...
Yeah, but where else should Angel be? Unless HDNet is able to pay up, there's almost no one who would be a good alternative.
At least The X Files has looked good over the past few days. Definitely not the crapjob they've had before. I almost confused it for HD last night.

Van Helsing Premiere last night was true HD

Doesn't really look like stretch-o-vision to me. But if it's not true hd or stretch-o-vision what is it?

I didn't see the broadcast on TNT but from a 2.35 version I've seen and your pictures above I'm guessing it was open matte.

anyone want to chime in right abotu now if LOTR is in HD or scretched or 4:3 crop or whatever hell else TNT does?

Its HD.

These were all not HD, they were malmorphic widescreen: Rocky, Mars Attacks!, and Hook.

Jumanji was HD 16:9.

LOTR:Fellowship was HD, also cropped down to 16:9; I thought I heard it had been in OAR, but I guess not. After clipping out the commercials I have 172 1/2 minutes of movie, with trailing credits just shy of 6 minutes shorter than on the 179-minute theatrical release DVD; so what we have here certainly looks like the TR, uncut. OTOH, TNT seemed to be even more aggressive than usual with the self-promo overlays. Oh well, this will have to do until 2008-9 when one should be able to buy it on some blue laser format "TBD".

The made-for-cable movie The Librarian: King Solomon's Mines was HD (unstretched).

These were all not HD, they were malmorphic widescreen: Rocky, Mars Attacks!, and Hook.

Jumanji was HD 16:9.

LOTR:Fellowship was HD, also cropped down to 16:9; I thought I heard it had been in OAR, but I guess not. After clipping out the commercials I have 172 1/2 minutes of movie, with trailing credits just shy of 6 minutes shorter than on the 179-minute theatrical release DVD; so what we have here certainly looks like the TR, uncut. OTOH, TNT seemed to be even more aggressive than usual with the self-promo overlays. Oh well, this will have to do until 2008-9 when one should be able to buy it on some blue laser format "TBD".

You talking to me?

You talking to me?

It's hard not to hear Travis Bickel when addressed thus; when you use a quote from an aggressive, offensive character the presumption is that you intend to be rude. But rather than reciprocating I'll answer you non-aggressively:

No, I was not specifically talking to you. The way this thread works (as I guess you must actually know), folks post their observations and Ou8thisSN updates the master list at the beginning of the thread. That's what the first two pieces are for - I had some observations to report about movies that were at that time not yet listed, and about an hour later Ou8thisSN updated the list. As for the details on LOTR, it's ~in response to #447, and generally for the info of any of this thread's readers who may be interested.

In the following I am once again not specifically talking to you.

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FWIW, LOTR:Two Towers was similar, HD cropped to 16:9, 173 minutes after cutting out the ads - clearly it is the full theatrical release with compressed end credits. The overlay self-promos were not nearly as bad as on part 1. Curiously, the video data rate was much lower on part 2: about 16.2 Mbps on part 1, vs about 12.4 Mbps on part 2. The parts of part 2 that I've watched seem to have similar PQ to part 1, so I guess it's just better encoding...

The made-for-cable movie The Ron Clark Story was HD (unstretched).

Galaxy Quest was HD (16:9 and not stretched&distorted anyway, tho I would have to call it a bit grainy and soft)

LOTR: Return of the King was HD, cropped to 16:9, 24GB and 194 minutes after cutting ads, it looks like it is probably the complete TR with the credits compressed down to 2 minutes.

TNT needs a premium HD movie channel on the level of Encore.

Gladiator looked amazing in HD, but I can't stand watching movies on regular cable. Stuff's cut out, and the commercials. Plus, this wasn't in 5.1 surround sound. I love the movies TNT shows, most are great movies but hate watching b/c their on cable.

TNT needs a premium HD movie channel on the level of Encore.

Gladiator looked amazing in HD, but I can't stand watching movies on regular cable. Stuff's cut out, and the commercials. Plus, this wasn't in 5.1 surround sound. I love the movies TNT shows, most are great movies but hate watching b/c their on cable.
Yeah, if only there was some kind of premium movie channel that was a sister network to TNT....
Kind of like a home box office.

I think TNT has potential, it's got great content (what else would you watch in the daytime: Judge Maria, General Hospital, or the News at Noon?) it just needs to do some small things.
First, stop with any and all promos in-movie (including "bug" promos), it's tasteless and distracts from the film. No Lord of the Rings fan gives a crap about your four hours of Law & Order tonight.
Second, no more live-action in-person promos, during any content ever. And, NO SOUND!!!
Third, stop with the stretching, HDTVs contain equipment that does it for us
Fourth, get the HD done right. It's understandable when a show can't be in HD because it hasn't yet been remastered, but when you have the master AVAILABLE, use it!
Fifth, actually start caring when something's not in HD, considering it's really weird to watch a dramatic series (Angel, X Files, etc) in such low resolution and bad quality. Demand it be available, that's how the original networks did it.

Did anyone else have trouble recording any of the HD Lord of the Rings movies using thier DVR? I have a DirecTV HR20 DRV, and I was absolutly unable to record any of the LOTR HD movies due to unknown technical glitches. I was able to play the movie, but if I attempted to pause, or rewind the channel would freeze until I changed to another channel.

Fourth, get the HD done right. It's understandable when a show can't be in HD because it hasn't yet been remastered, but when you have the master AVAILABLE, use it!
On saturday 12/16 the first showing of the Matrix was in beautiful HD and the second showing in ugly SD stretch-o-vision.Why?

On saturday 12/16 the first showing of the Matrix was in beautiful HD and the second showing in ugly SD stretch-o-vision.Why?Good question. No one seems to know, but it keeps happening.

Good question. No one seems to know, but it keeps happening.
That nicely sums up why I don't trust TNT-HD. No rhyme or reason to expect any given movie to be HD-OAR, HD-cropped, HD-cropped-bit-starved, quasi-HD-stretchorama or bottom draw SD-stretchorama. I gave up including it in my surf habits. Too bad really, given the very tasty content they have in their vault.

The Matrix last night was in stretch-o-vision yet Matrix Reloaded is on right now in HD. Last time I saw them, Matrix was in HD and Reloaded was in stretch-o-vision. Why do they even keep a copy of the stretched version?

Over the weekend they aired Scooby Doo in HD ...it looked incredibly good...if only TNT would play GOOD movies that looked this good! heh.

One episode of The X Files was letterboxed last night (on HD and SD channel). I'm not sure exactly which one, but its opening sequence was an underwater scene.
Could this mean that TNT-HD is getting a widescreen or HD master?

On saturday 12/16 the first showing of the Matrix was in beautiful HD and the second showing in ugly SD stretch-o-vision.Why?I saw another example of this last night with Ocean's Eleven. Naturally it was cropped, but at first it was semi-watchable HD(!), only showing blocking with any action or with pans, sort of like STARZHD, but pretty good detail in static scenes.

Then, maybe after the last commercial set, they reverted to Stretch-o-Vision (copyright TNT) that looked absolutely crappy.

I haven't read this entire thread, so sorry about bringing up covered territory, but is the most likely reason TNT does this paranoia about people staying with their DVR recordings instead of buying the true HD version when it comes out on disc? (Yeah, I really want to save those massive intra-movie promos in the right lower quadrant of my screen.)

Dan

You guys sure Entrapment is not in HD? Doesn't look stretched at all right now.

I saw another example of this last night with Ocean's Eleven. Naturally it was cropped, but at first it was semi-watchable HD(!), only showing blocking with any action or with pans, sort of like STARZHD, but pretty good detail in static scenes.

Then, maybe after the last commercial set, they reverted to Stretch-o-Vision (copyright TNT) that looked absolutely crappy.

I haven't read this entire thread, so sorry about bringing up covered territory, but is the most likely reason TNT does this paranoia about people staying with their DVR recordings instead of buying the true HD version when it comes out on disc? (Yeah, I really want to save those massive intra-movie promos in the right lower quadrant of my screen.)

Dan I just saw it on my DVR and couldn't believe it. What a disappointment. :mad:

Just watched tonight's airing of "My Best Friend's Wedding". Very rarely watch TNT, but there was nothing on tonight and this was a movie I enjoyed watching before but never in HD. Anyway, we get to the scene where Paul Giamatti's bellman character is suppose to make his brief appearance, the single best scene in the movie IMO. Lo and and behold, TNT has CUT his scene! Incredible! Why? Why, I kept asking. Then I remembered. It's TNT.

One episode of The X Files was letterboxed last night (on HD and SD channel). I'm not sure exactly which one, but its opening sequence was an underwater scene.
Could this mean that TNT-HD is getting a widescreen or HD master?


I believe you are referring the "The Triangle" episode that was shot in widescreen in the original airing.

Hey guys im moving to the sticks, and I think im being forced to buy satelite, thinking of going Dishnet with the 25 hd channel pack my question is does TNTHD have commercials during these movies?? also do you guys recommend Dish Bronze package form someone on a budget $29 the first 10 mos - $49 the last 8.

ok, added... under protest :)

I believe you are referring the "The Triangle" episode that was shot in widescreen in the original airing.
Yeah, as with most X Flies episodes, but, in the past, TNT has shown P&S versions of those widescreen episodes, and then stretched them out on the HD channel.

Space Cowboys and Galaxy Quest were both HD.

Heat, Now and Then, Kate & Leopold, and Coal Miner's Daughter were all not HD: they were lo-res malmorphic widescreen (stretched 4:3)

"Save the last Dance" is Stretched

I'm utterly shocked that "Wimbledon" was actually in HD last night. :eek:

"Cheaper by the Dozen" is stretched.

"3000 Miles to Graceland" is stretched.

digitalman asked:
> ...my question is does TNTHD have commercials during these movies?? <

LMAO. :D Sorry. Yes, they have numerous commercials during all movies, and will even hack out an extra 10-20 minutes (or more) of a movie to make room for even more commercials.

They are the very best, and undisputed champions, of mutilating excellent movies, which would otherwise be great to watch.

- Tim

if you get TNT HD ondemand, those movies carry very few commercials, like the LOTR trilogy.

on Comcast TNT HD is as a general rule not good - and sometimes huge problems

on Comcast TNT HD is as a general rule not good - and sometimes huge problems

I've only had On Demand for a couple of weeks, but I've yet to see any HD available from HBO, Cinemax, or Showtime. The Lord of the Rings trilogy was available from TNT and it worked well for me. FWIW.

Some good movies coming...

In the Line of Fire
Good Will Hunting
American Beauty
Jerry Maguire

I am wondering, what are the chances that these will be presented OAR, and not in stretch-o-vision? And, how badly do they censor rated R movies. I am almost afraid to even watch some of these.

Thirteen Days is ok, (not stretched).

Deep Impact is stretched. :(

stupid movie anyway, i hate tea leoni.

DeepImpact is terrible, imo.

AirForce one was a nice surprise. I really like a lot of Harrison Ford's movies.

Three Kings is not stretched. :D

Three Kings is not stretched. :D

Yep, that one was listed on the list as being good.

^ Looks like I came into this thread a little late: I never saw that list after all the times I've been here. Good to know.

Anyway, as mentioned earlier: time to add Thirteen Days to the "HD" list (just so I felt like I actually contributed). ;)

Swordfish is HD, not stretched

Swordfish is HD, not stretchedSorry if this has been discussed before, but I've only had TNT HD for a week... Adelphia just switched to Comcast and this was one of the swapped HD channels.

So tonight Swordfish was on. Cool... I've been having fun comparing HD cable to HD-DVD.

I noticed the F words were replaced with "don't fool with me", etc. No big deal. But this classic scene surprised me...

If you look close, there are no bikini straps. If you saw this movie in the theater, on DVD, or on HD DVD, you probably remember this scene...

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But a split second later... where did TNT find Halle's bikini top?! :eek:

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It doesn't surprise me that TNT edited out the nudity. I'm just surprised that they didn't just clip out the scene completely... they actually had a wardrobe reshoot. I guess it makes sense in order to show a film on an airplane or on network television.

Aside from the 16x9 crop and the horrid stretch-o-vision, does TNT always edit out the F-word and nudity?

looks like this same issue happened back in '04 on CBS:

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread.php?t=380232
There are two reasons to watch Swordfish, and I'm guessing CBS didn't show either one.the version TNT showed a while back that has a CGI bikini on Halle

'The Specialist' is 16:9 and not stretched.

Unfaithful is stretched :(

Titanic is O.A.R and not stretched :)

please dont post names of films in here that have already been mentioned in the list on the first page.

please dont post names of films in here that have already been mentioned in the list on the first page.

The only reason I mentioned Titanic was because it was OAR, I didn't see any mention of that, I thought it was worthy of noting.

ok then, my mistake.

I watched part of Jerry Maguire last night. Though the transfer looked good, they have alot of their movies flagged wrong. It is not a standard 24fps or 29.97fps. It is strage. I looked into it because it stutters badly. Wow, this is the absolute most pathetic "HD" network available. It is like someone asked how they can create the most disgusting HD channel, and they said, Hey, lets use stretch-o-vision as much as we can, add a ton of popups throughout the movie, flag the stream incorrectly, and edit the material for our audience. Pathetic!

Cocktail was stretched
Summer School was stretched

I don't know what it was, but for some reason both of these movies didn't seem as pronounced as some of the stretched movies I've watched on TNT-HD. I can't really put my finger on it, but something seemed different about these two movies.

Cocktail was stretched
Summer School was stretched

I don't know what it was, but for some reason both of these movies didn't seem as pronounced as some of the stretched movies I've watched on TNT-HD. I can't really put my finger on it, but something seemed different about these two movies.

I know what is wrong. Watching too much TNT is starting to warp your brain! :D

Good Will Hunting is stretched :(

Is everyone getting terrible interlacing tonight on "Remember the Titans"?