I am looking to upgrade my front 3 speakers and I am hoping that this will be my last upgrade for sometime. I really want a good top of the line 3-way speaker for home theater. I would like to have my 3 speakers matched across the front as closely as possible, if not identical. I have been looking for months now and have auditioned several different speakers, including: PMC, Revel, Paradigm Signature, B&W, Aerial and many more. I am NOT concerned about lower extension as I have the sub thing covered with multiple subs and strong extension to 16hz. So, I am more looking for the best mid-range and highs I can find down to about 50 hz. I want the front sound stage to be deep and wide and well blended and balanced across the 3 speakers.

I have heard a little about Triad, but they are nearly impossible to audition and there are really not many reviews on them. Their LCR series, particularly the Gold LCR In-Room seem to be a perfect fit for what I am looking for, but are they really that good? I know they are great for in-wall applications, but are they that great as a stand alone "In-Room" speaker? They are usually distributed through Cedia type installers who are usually dealing with clients who want everything done for them and don't care about price. I am not one of those guys!!! I do it all myself and am proud of that fact, I am willing to pay good money to get the best sound, but I demand BANG for my BUCK. I wish there were more reviews on the Triad Gold LCRs, for example there is not even 1 review on them at audioreview, I find that very strange!

So, here is my question. Who out there has had first hand experience with Triad speakers, preferrably the Gold LCRs. Does Triad skimp a bit on the components for what you get (i.e., tweeter, crossover, etc.)? How good is the tweeter they use, how about the mid-range drivers? How would they compare with Aerial Acoustics center the CC-5, or Revel's Voice? I know the Triad's are less expensive, but do they approach the performance of those 2 center channel speakers? I can get the Triad's for MSRP of about $1750, I can get a used Aerial CC-5 for $2500, I don't mind spending the extra money if there is a big difference in performance. Would love to hear from some Triad owners, or others who may have heard Triad and chosen something else.

I use a Lexicon MC-12 and Lexicon amps bdridged to give me 400 WPC.

Thanks,

Mike

Allow me to clarify a bit to help you in your quest. First of all, you're looking at really good stuff, and it appears you've done your homework.

There are two pending reviews on the NEW Gold LCR (don't confuse them with the old ones that used a dispersion control lens.) The latest Widescreen Review (August) features the Gold LCR and Gold PowerSub, and there's a tentative review coming soon in Digital TV and Sound. Because the Gold LCR ($1750 each) is new within the past year, we don't have a large collection of reviews...yet.

The drivers are all proprietary, premium Seas drivers and include a 1" fabric dome tweeter, 5.5" midrange, and two 8.5" metal cone bass/midrange drivers. The speaker has high sensitivity (92dB) and will handle gobs of power. It was our intention to make a mini-Platinum LCR, at less than one-third the cost. You'll like the review in Widescreen, which makes reference to value, stating that within this price range, the Gold LCRs are tough to beat.

We use a vertically-aligned mid/tweeter array in the Gold Center, like Revel and Arial, which helps dispersion. As I mentioned, Arial and Revel are also outstanding choices, and I don't often use the word "outstanding" in reference to speakers.

Thanks for the unput Paul. May I ask you which speakers you use for your set-up and why??? Are you more of a HT or music guy. As I said earlier I am geard more towards HT. I figure you are using Triads as you get them for a great price, but which Triad's did you decide upon?

Also, do the Triads tend to be birght, warm, or more neutral in your opinion?

As for the tweeter on the Triad Gold LCRs, is it the best tweeter you offer for HT use, if not why?

As for the finish...in the black standard finish...is it glossy or more flat. I am worried about reflections from my projector. If I go with a veneer finish will it change any of the sound characteristics of the speaker?

Are the Triad Gold LCRs still THX certified? Not a big deal either way as I don;t give much weight to THX certification anyways, but would sitll like to know. What do you recommend for a crossover point on the Gold LCRs?

Thanks!!!

Thanks for the unput Paul. May I ask you which speakers you use for your set-up and why??? Are you more of a HT or music guy. As I said earlier I am geard more towards HT. I figure you are using Triads as you get them for a great price, but which Triad's did you decide upon?

Also, do the Triads tend to be birght, warm, or more neutral in your opinion?

As for the tweeter on the Triad Gold LCRs, is it the best tweeter you offer for HT use, if not why?

As for the finish...in the black standard finish...is it glossy or more flat. I am worried about reflections from my projector. If I go with a veneer finish will it change any of the sound characteristics of the speaker?

Are the Triad Gold LCRs still THX certified? Not a big deal either way as I don;t give much weight to THX certification anyways, but would sitll like to know. What do you recommend for a crossover point on the Gold LCRs?

Thanks!!!
Lots of good questions...

I am an ex-professional musician and non-Martian audiophile who loves accurate music reproduction as well as accurate movie sound. I have Triad speakers all over my home and office, but I have three Gold Monitors ($3400 each) in my theater/demo room. I had the opportunity to compare these to Gold LCRs almost a year ago, and, at half the price, I advised my reps and dealers NOT to do a comparison. The Gold Monitors use a $450 tweeter and they're spectacular, but the Gold LCRs are probably 90% as good. Both have high output, but the Gold LCR may have a 2 dB edge here. The fact that both speakers are accurate with flat frequency response makes them sound very similar...neither has a sonic personality, and they are both windows to the sound. I would describe them as unforgivingly neutral and very dynamic.

Tweeter choice is a matter of using what is appropriate, and there is no real "best" tweeter. Being a 3-way system, the Seas tweeter in the Gold LCR doesn't have to handle as much midrange as the Scan-Speak tweeter in the Gold Monitors.

Our cabinets are the deadest made, and a veneer finish changes nothing. We, too, believe a high-gloss finish is a distraction in a home theater due to reflections from the screen. Our basic finish is a black pebblestone water-based acrylic, although we can do any color and even gloss.

We haven't submitted the new Gold LCR for certification, but it is a good candidate. Our last Gold LCR was certified, and this speaker crushes it in all respects, though. An 80 Hz crossover can be used, but the Gold LCR has strong response to 50 Hz. I would probably do 65 Hz if the processor allows it, or 80 Hz if you are a-thumpin'...

Great questions, and I hope my answers helped.

Following up -- I am forced into a less than ideal setup -- putting a system into a 220 yr old house/room -- in wall in celing are not an option -- horsehair plaster and very thin spaces not standard stud spacing etc -- and I don't want to know what is in my wavy ceiling and on the floor is not an option also

Soooo Im forced into a custom cabinet -- I know this is not ideal but since this is not a dedicated room but an intimate family space with 7' ceilings --

I am considering the Bronze or Silver LCR -- -- their size specifcations capability and price seem perfect for me

will I really lose alot of performace for if I place them in the cabinet -- I might be able to have it be an open shelf but the current design calls for a door with fabric?

thanks

Michael M

I can answer some of the questions from a semi-biased point of view. We carry Triad as part of our product line and they are excellent speakers. I come from an engineering background and enjoy designing and building speakers for fun. I can tell you from taking the Triads apart and looking at the quality of components I can't build speakers this good for the price I can get them for (pretty close to Dealer Cost). And the cabinets are the best I've seen from any company. The internal bracing they use is impressive. No cheap parts in the crossover. They might use some propietary driver design but if you study the drivers themselves and build speakers you know about how much something like these would cost.

I consider Triad at RETAIL price one of the best values in the industry when you compare their design, workmanship and components. I have heard the Aerials, PMC and Revel but never directly against the Triad. I would say the Triads are in that league and worth a listen if at all possible. However, for a reference I have heard the Triad Bronze and Paradigm Signature S2's and this would be splitting hairs but I would pick the Bronze over the S2s. The Gold is definitely a step up.

Michael,

Mounting speakers in cabinets can cause all types of acoustic problems. Here is what I would suggest. Leave enough room so you can surround the speaker on all sides and behind speaker with acoustic foam to fill the cavity that they will be put. Then cover that cavity with speaker cloth and make some framing for the cavity to hide the edges of the speaker cloth.

Hope this helps

Bob

Michael,

Mounting speakers in cabinets can cause all types of acoustic problems. Here is what I would suggest. Leave enough room so you can surround the speaker on all sides and behind speaker with acoustic foam to fill the cavity that they will be put. Then cover that cavity with speaker cloth and make some framing for the cavity to hide the edges of the speaker cloth.
Bob

Bob thank you that is very helpful regarding the installation ---

Do you know what the Silver InRoom LCR's retail for?

thanks

Michael

I don't have the latest price sheet at home but if I recall $850 each for basic finish. Paul will correct me if I'm wrong or if I'm quoting the old price. I can check tomorrow.

Bob

InRoom Silver LCRs are $850 each, and they'll work well on a shelf or in a cabinet. You'll have slightly elevated response from around 100 Hz-300 Hz due to the boundary effect. Bob's advice of packing the area around the speaker with foam is spot on. The current and 3rd version of the Silver LCR is very robust, and is as sensitive as the Gold LCR.

For what it is worth, I use the Triad Silver In-Wall Mini Monitors for our great room theater. The Mini Silvers are used in the front with Silver Dipoles in the rear. I find these speakers to be very clean and super responsive. I am now looking to add two sets into the ceiling of two other rooms.

I thought I would post for I do not see a lot of chat on speakers like the Triads.

I thought I would post for I do not see a lot of chat on speakers like the Triads.
Thanks, Dave. Triad doesn't usually induce animated discussion because our line is made up almost exclusively of applications-based problem solvers. We're not mainstream, and we live out our solitude wretched lives in the lonely shadow of anonymity... ;)

(Was that a bit over-the-top??)

Thanks, Dave. Triad doesn't usually induce animated discussion because our line is made up almost exclusively of applications-based problem solvers.

Sounds like speakers that you would have to remind the house painters to not paint ....

You see those new Revel in-walls Paul? At least I think they are new ..

InRoom Silver LCRs are $850 each, and they'll work well on a shelf or in a cabinet. You'll have slightly elevated response from around 100 Hz-300 Hz due to the boundary effect. Bob's advice of packing the area around the speaker with foam is spot on. The current and 3rd version of the Silver LCR is very robust, and is as sensitive as the Gold LCR.

Paul:

I am also considering using Triads in a custom cabinet in a media niche. Would it be more appropriate to use the InWall Silver/4 LCR in a custom cabinet?

Thanks
Rick

Paul:

I am also considering using Triads in a custom cabinet in a media niche. Would it be more appropriate to use the InWall Silver/4 LCR in a custom cabinet?

Thanks
Rick
You'll have enough depth to use the InWall Silver/6 LCR, which is 6" deep and has a smaller baffle. Everything about the speaker is the same as the 4" version other than the enclosure proportions.

If a potential dealer or consumer living on the East coast wanted to audition a set of Gold LCR's in-room speakers before deciding whether to invest the $5000+ how would one go about it?

Mounting speakers in cabinets can cause all types of acoustic problems. Here is what I would suggest. Leave enough room so you can surround the speaker on all sides and behind speaker with acoustic foam to fill the cavity that they will be put. Then cover that cavity with speaker cloth and make some framing for the cavity to hide the edges of the speaker cloth.


This is exactly what I did with the speakers in our living room. To make matters worse I had to place the speakers on their sides (but I'm using very small speakers which don't give up much when placed on their sides). The results have been good.

The cabinet maker built covers made with speaker cloth that snap in place with magnets. They work well and I removed the speaker grills from our speakers (since we don't need two sets of them).

I'm using Role Audio Discovery speakers. They aren't in the same price league as the Triad Golds and I haven't heard the Triad Golds, but I'm very happy with the Role Audio speakers. They work well in tight spaces and still image well even when abused by being placed into a cabinet. We're using a subwoofer crossed over at 65hz (the Discovery speakers start rolling off between 50-60hz depending on placement).

http://gallery.phred.org/CS/photos/house/picture10.aspx is a picture of our cabinet. You can see the speaker grills on the upper left and right. The center speaker is identical to each side speaker to give you an idea of size. It is 5.5x5.5x10 or so (you can check the real specs on http://www.roleaudio.com).

Previously we were using Paradigm Studio 60s placed in the middle of the room. To give you a size comparison here are the Discovery's placed on top of the Studio 60s from the day that I received the new speakers:
http://phred.org/~alex/pictures/audio/new-and-old-speakers.jpg

My wife is much happier with the new setup. I don't feel like I gave up much, if anything. I spent a lot of time listening to the speakers in their normal orientation and on their sides to see if the new placement would cause imaging or staging issues and it didn't seem to. The driver placement is so close on these speakers that it might not matter.

I've picked our components more for music quality than HT quality. We have no surround speakers and our subwoofer (M&K MX70b) is great for music but probably underpowered for the space for hollywood effects. We watch few hollywood movies so this isn't really an issue.

My only Triad content is that I considered using Triad inwalls here instead of building into the cabinet, but couldn't demo them easily. I probably wouldn't have known about the Role Audio speakers if I didn't see them on Audiogon from a local seller that did allow me to demo them. I wish Triad products could be found in places like Magnolia Hifi or Definitive Audio (two local stores) for easily comparison with other products.

alex

If a potential dealer or consumer living on the East coast wanted to audition a set of Gold LCR's in-room speakers before deciding whether to invest the $5000+ how would one go about it?

That's a fair request. Go to www.triadspeakers.com and look under "how to buy." Scroll over your geographical territory and the name of the local Triad rep will come up. Call him, use my name, and he will take it from there. Also, my Eastern Regional is a great guy named Bruce Franklin, and he can be reached at 860 657 9920. If no one has a close demo, we can probably "work something out." (Don't ask... :p )

I've explained this before, but Triad is sold almost exclusively through CEDIA dealers who specify products and generally aren't set up for retail demonstrations. I apologize for what can be somewhat of an inconvenience, but this has been our business model, and it's allowed us to grow tenfold in the past nine years. We'll try to help you, though.

Thanks for the interest.

I read the review in Widescreen. It was very good, although I didn't like the comment that they weren't quite as fast or accurate as the reference Dunlavy SC-Vs Widescreen uses. Still, other than that the review sounded quite good.

Paul, can you please explain to me the reason you use a "proprietary" driver from Seas and how it differs from some of their better known drivers (i.e., the Seas Millenium, etc.)...thanks.

I wish there was someone out there who could better compare the Triad in Room LCR Golds to the Aerial CC-5 (or CC-3b) or the Revel Voice. I would expect the Aerial and Revel would win out due to the difference in price, but I would be very interested to hear from anyone on the similarites, differences, etc...

Thanks,

Mike

I've explained this before, but Triad is sold almost exclusively through CEDIA dealers who specify products and generally aren't set up for retail demonstrations. I apologize for what can be somewhat of an inconvenience, but this has been our business model, and it's allowed us to grow tenfold in the past nine years. We'll try to help you, though.

I think it is great that this has helped you grow tenfold in the last decade, but it also seems odd considering your presence on this forum. Most of the members of this forum are DIY types and not the sorts who purchase products through CEDIA dealers.

I don't know much about the business end of this industry, but would it be impossible to have both types of dealers? It seems like there are dealers who cover both ends of the spectrum like Definitive Audio (http://www.definitive.com/) in Seattle.

alex

You'll have enough depth to use the InWall Silver/6 LCR, which is 6" deep and has a smaller baffle. Everything about the speaker is the same as the 4" version other than the enclosure proportions.

Paul -- since my cabinet is not yet build which would you recommend using the inRoom SIlver LCR or using the InWall Silver/6 LCR --

Michael M

I read the review in Widescreen. It was very good, although I didn't like the comment that they weren't quite as fast or accurate as the reference Dunlavy SC-Vs Widescreen uses. Still, other than that the review sounded quite good.

Paul, can you please explain to me the reason you use a "proprietary" driver from Seas and how it differs from some of their better known drivers (i.e., the Seas Millenium, etc.)...thanks.

I wish there was someone out there who could better compare the Triad in Room LCR Golds to the Aerial CC-5 (or CC-3b) or the Revel Voice. I would expect the Aerial and Revel would win out due to the difference in price, but I would be very interested to hear from anyone on the similarites, differences, etc...

Thanks,

MikeThe Dunlavys retailed for $8000 each in 1999. The Triad Gold LCR retails for $1750, and it held it's own. ;)

By "proprietary" I mean we work with our speaker vendors to develop a specific driver for our needs. Sometimes we require more sensitivity, more excursion, a bump smoothed out, shielding, etc., and Seas, Peerless, Scan-Speak and our other vendors are happy to help us.

As far as the assumption that the Arial or Revel products will sound better because they cost more, consider that we design and build everything in a lean manufacturing facility, and we rarely run a print ad. I would welcome a comparison with these two excellent speakers.

I think it is great that this has helped you grow tenfold in the last decade, but it also seems odd considering your presence on this forum. Most of the members of this forum are DIY types and not the sorts who purchase products through CEDIA dealers.

I don't know much about the business end of this industry, but would it be impossible to have both types of dealers? It seems like there are dealers who cover both ends of the spectrum like Definitive Audio (http://www.definitive.com/) in Seattle.

alex
I'm on this forum because I'm a hobbyist, like the rest of you, and it's a great place. If anyone asks about Triad, I answer. Other than that, I'm just goofin' here like everyone else.

Most retailers have their favorite brands of freestanding speakers that they've carried for decades, some of which make strong industrial design statements. They carry bookshelf speakers and towers, mostly, and inexpensive inwalls. Our business is the integration of the best possible sound into a high-end custom application, and that's a different business model. Plus, many big retailers have no idea what Triad does, nor are they interested in us...yet.

Paul -- since my cabinet is not yet build which would you recommend using the inRoom SIlver LCR or using the InWall Silver/6 LCR --

Michael M
If you're going to use the grill that comes on the speaker, you may want to use the InRoom Silver LCR and attenuate the 100 Hz-300Hz range a notch or two. If you're going to fabricate your own grill, use the InWall Silver/6 LCR, which can be ordered with the grill deleted at a savings. But remember, the InWall is $100 more than the InRoom, so this will be a wash.

For those who have not noticed, Paul has been an AVS Forum member from 2000. If you look over his posts here and in the archive, I think you will find he has been here more for the fun of the this hobby we so enjoy. In 2000, AVS was still young. :)

I also be be adding speakers into a built unit and not a wall. I have two more Silver Mini Monitors that will be used as a the center channel. You see, I am building a new fireplace mantel and these will be added into the collums of the mantel on the left and right side of the fireplace. I would like one center channel speaker, but I can not because of the setup. You will understand this when I am done and post the photos.

Paul,

Thanks for all of your help and comments. You have been very helpful and informative.

Take care,

Mike

I also be be adding speakers into a built unit and not a wall. I have two more Silver Mini Monitors that will be used as a the center channel. You see, I am building a new fireplace mantel and these will be added into the collums of the mantel on the left and right side of the fireplace. I would like one center channel speaker, but I can not because of the setup. You will understand this when I am done and post the photos.

Why not put just one in the fireplace? ;-)

Kal

Yet another comment on the original topic...

The Aerial Acoustics CC-5 is a spectacular center channel speaker, at more than twice the price of the InRoom Gold Center; $3800 vs. $1750.

The key when choosing among products is which one is appropriate for your needs. The CC-5 is worth the hefty price, and it's built at least as well as a Triad speaker. The CC-3B is the most comparable to the Gold Center, though, at almost the same price. The driver configurations are similar, with vertical alignment of the tweeter and midrange for better dispersion, and the Triad weighs 11 lb. more due to the extensive bracing. The only major difference is in sensitivity. The Gold Center is 92 dB and the CC-3B is 86 dB, which means the Triad will play to the same level on one-quarter the power. This has nothing to do with quality, and may not be an issue, especially if your room is moderate in size. Consider what your real needs are, what speakers you'll use for left and right, and what looks and sounds best to you. Again, I consider Aerial to be a top speaker brand that doesn't get enough accolades. They look and sound wonderful, and they're well built.

Why not put just one in the fireplace? ;-)

Kal
You're killin' me, Kal. It's really hard to get our speakers to burn, but I've found that lighter fluid helps...

Paul,

How would the Triad line sound with a Fosgate Model 4 processor in the mix?

You're killin' me, Kal. It's really hard to get our speakers to burn, but I've found that lighter fluid helps...

I guess it requires extraordinary motivation. Mebbe I should have said:
Why not put just one instead of the fireplace? ;-)

Kal

Yet another comment on the original topic...

The Aerial Acoustics CC-5 is a spectacular center channel speaker, at more than twice the price of the InRoom Gold Center; $3800 vs. $1750.

The key when choosing among products is which one is appropriate for your needs. The CC-5 is worth the hefty price, and it's built at least as well as a Triad speaker. The CC-3B is the most comparable to the Gold Center, though, at almost the same price. The driver configurations are similar, with vertical alignment of the tweeter and midrange for better dispersion, and the Triad weighs 11 lb. more due to the extensive bracing. The only major difference is in sensitivity. The Gold Center is 92 dB and the CC-3B is 86 dB, which means the Triad will play to the same level on one-quarter the power. This has nothing to do with quality, and may not be an issue, especially if your room is moderate in size. Consider what your real needs are, what speakers you'll use for left and right, and what looks and sounds best to you. Again, I consider Aerial to be a top speaker brand that doesn't get enough accolades. They look and sound wonderful, and they're well built.

While the driver configurations are similar Paul, it should be noted that the Gold LCR has a pair of 8" woofers as compared to the CC-3b's pair of 6.5" woofers. For those reading along, I would say the Gold LCR fits a nice niche inbetween these two, while having a potential benefit of being much higher sensitivity. I've installed quite a few CC-3s and have set up at least 7 systems with the CC-5. I have a project with Gold LCRs coming up. While of course this will be from memory, it should be interesting to see where they fit in the mix. In terms of overall clarity and certainly in build quality, the CC-5 is one of my personal benchmarks, with the caveat of requiring a brute of an amp.

Regards,

Regarding the retailers carrying Triad, it really doesn't fit.

The last remaining independant a/v dealers are concerned with becoming lean & mean in the SKU department, and when they see a line withy THAT many speakers available in THAT many configurations with THAT many finishes and colors, they run. They have no idea what to show from the mix, and there is no way to stock the right products to accomadate over-the-counter sales.

On the other hand, us custom guys look at all of the flexibility in the line as way to solve problems that always seemed to come up when we had the more traditional lines.

Retail based manufacturers have odd ideas about sales and marketing sometimes... I don't need 10% off the 13th pair of bookshelf monitors in light oak for buying a pallet quantity... I don't NEED a pallet of bookshelves right now, and I certainly wouldn't want all of my stock in light oak anyway!!

Many of us have become so sick of answering to clueless regional and national sales mgrs. that continually asked for end-of month (or quarter, or year) stocking orders... That's not our business, we rarely stock ANYTHING!! If I have six jobs in the pipeline, I have six speaker packages specified. I will place the orders as the "install the speakers" portion of the projects comes near.

Vendors like Triad understand this, which is why they have such aggressive growth.

Call your regional rep or territory rep and ask about the showrooms featuring Triad within an acceptable drive from your location. You may not be able to hear "this vs. that", but you may very well hear an excellent speaker system in very well done room. (many Triad dealers are among the best custom shops in their areas)

Best of luck...
--Rick.

Paul,

How would the Triad line sound with a Fosgate Model 4 processor in the mix?
Actually, when the Fosgate-Audionics Model Four Surround Processor (the official, authentic name) catches fire, use it to ignite the speaker.

You are obviously someone I know from my Fosgate days?? The Model Four was the best sounding analog surround processor on this planet until the Citation 7.0 came out...but that was then. ;)

You simply *must* audition a set of Triad Gold LCRs. Try to hear a set of Gold Monitors, too!!

Breathtaking!

Let us know what you choose!

Call your regional rep or territory rep and ask about the showrooms featuring Triad within an acceptable drive from your location. You may not be able to hear "this vs. that", but you may very well hear an excellent speaker system in very well done room. (many Triad dealers are among the best custom shops in their areas)

This is all that I would hope for anyway. Many retailers around here don't have every speaker from a given manufacturer ready to demo, just a couple of models at different price points (for example the Paradigm dealer might have one or two speakers models from each of their 4 lines (normal, Monitor, Reference, Signature). I can't expect a speaker in a demo room to sound exactly like it would at home, but it gives me an idea of what it might sound like and lets me do some A/B comparisons.

I don't know if Seattle is unusual, but most of the high-end audio shops here are doing a lot of business in custom installations and seem to be selling less and less boxed products. I live two blocks from Roosevelt Ave (aka Stereo Row) where 3 of the 4 stores are pretty much showrooms with limited stock on hand and who have showcase rooms for custom installs and do a high number of custom installs. The remaining store is Magnolia Hi-Fi's flagship store and it has a seperate showroom for custom installations.

I'm no longer in the market for speakers, but this is the thing that kept me from looking closely at the options from Triad. I had a hard time finding pricing information and a harder time finding locations to demo the speakers.

alex

If anyone is close to the Rochester, NY area, you are welcome to come on over and listen to the inwall Silver Mini Monitors. (Not that it helps you Alex. :))

I do very much like these...I really do not know how the in-wall Golds could be even better.

In regards to the In-room Golds, I have a pair and they are simply fantastic. Compared to the old classic gold lcr they are not even in the same league. In fact the new silver lcr is a better speaker than the classic lcr, IMO.

The output, clarity and definition that the new golds have is awesome. Plus the sensitivity makes these speakrers compatable with a lot of amps. When you throw 300 watts at them they really sing. I have heard a couple of Gold Monitor systems and the Gold LCR's leave nothing to be ashamed about.

Good luck in your search, but you will not be disappointed with the Triads.

I'm going to reassert that Aerial and Revel are two excxellent choices, just so the thread doesn't become lopsided. They don't have anyone speaking on their behalf here, so this isn't totally fair. Privately, I am very critical of aspects of almost all speakers, especially when used inappropriately, but Aerial and Revel are both the real deal; well built with high quality drivers. Your expectations would be exceeded by any of these three, in my informed (and biased) opinion...

Paul - Hearty congratulations on the rave review in Widescreen Review ! :)

The factory tour looked awesome, too !

Paul - Hearty congratulations on the rave review in Widescreen Review ! :)

The factory tour looked awesome, too !

Thanks! We were very pleased with the Gold PowerSub portion of the review, too.

If anyone in or visiting Portland would like a tour of a factory that actually makes speakers, let me know and I'll arrange it. No free samples, though...

Hi Paul,

Yes, I did work with you over the phone with Fosgate, you were most helpful!

Actually traded the old Model 4 in a few years ago to Audio Consultants, Libertyville Il. Near your old stomping grounds???

I look forward to auditioning your speaker line at some point, currently in Mobile, Al. Have enjoyed your honest and worthwhile input to this thread, thanks!


Tom

Actually traded the old Model 4 in a few years ago to Audio Consultants, Libertyville Il. Near your old stomping grounds???
I knew Rick, Loren, Dilly, and Tom from way back in the mid-'70s. I think they closed that store, but the Evanston store was and is one of the best high end shops in America. Simon is a wonderful person. I competed with them while I was at Columbia Audio/Video, but we were all friends back then, before our national policy became "you're either with us, or you're against us."

But, I digress...

Actually purchased the Model 4 from Columbia Audio / Video, Highland Park, also a great store!

Simon was great to work with, Phil in Libertyville is a great guy also.

Kal. The fireplace is not a good place for a speaker. It should be filled with fuzz and used as a low frequency broadband bass absorber. Besides, the weight and fashion challenged guy in the red suit keeps knocking the speaker off the stand. :)

InRoom Silver LCRs are $850 each, and they'll work well on a shelf or in a cabinet. You'll have slightly elevated response from around 100 Hz-300 Hz due to the boundary effect. Bob's advice of packing the area around the speaker with foam is spot on. The current and 3rd version of the Silver LCR is very robust, and is as sensitive as the Gold LCR.


Hi Paul,

I have a question regarding the retail price for the In-room Bronze/4 LCRs and In-wall Bronze/4 Surrounds?

I plan to have a customized entertainment center built for me with the In-room LCRs being placed on the shelves of the cabinetry. L and R would be facing vertical and the center would be facing horizontal just above the TV.

Thanks also to those mentioning the acoustic foam. I will definitely be adjusting my cabinet shelve slots for this.

My other question is based on the understanding that I will be using the speaker grill coming with the Bronze In-Rooms. Is it your recommendation that I also attenuate the 100 Hz-300Hz range a notch or two for the Bronze In-Rooms?

Forgive me for not knowing this but, if your answer is yes to the attenuate, what is the reason for it and how would it help me for the In-Room LCRs in the cabinet slot vs. In-walls? :)

Thanks.

DC

Wow, I thought this thread died months ago...:eek: IT'S ALIVE!!!

There are InWall versions of the Bronze and Silver LCRs, but not the Gold LCR...yet. (I have a non-functional mockup in my office for approval. It will be for new construction, only, unlike the Bronze and Silver LCRs.) The InWall versions already have their crossovers tweaked to compensate for the boundary effect. If you mount a Triad InRoom LCR into a wall, you'll have to eq it down in the upper bass, because of the gain in that region due to the boundary. Thus...the boundary effect.

Dennis Erskine has installed (masterfully) many Triad LCRs, and he may be able to better share what he's had to do in the realm of equalization when the speaker is a non-inwall and it's roughed in.

Erskine. Hullo??

Wow, I thought this thread died months ago...:eek: IT'S ALIVE!!!

There are InWall versions of the Bronze and Silver LCRs, but not the Gold LCR...yet. (I have a non-functional mockup in my office for approval. It will be for new construction, only, unlike the Bronze and Silver LCRs.) The InWall versions already have their crossovers tweaked to compensate for the boundary effect. If you mount a Triad InRoom LCR into a wall, you'll have to eq it down in the upper bass, because of the gain in that region due to the boundary. Thus...the boundary effect.

Dennis Erskine has installed (masterfully) many Triad LCRs, and he may be able to better share what he's had to do in the realm of equalization when the speaker is a non-inwall and it's roughed in.

Erskine. Hullo??

Hi Paul,

Thank you for the information. What I plan on doing is getting the In-Room Bronze/4 LCR's and placing them in the customized shelves of the built-in entertainment center. Since I won't be mounting them into the wall, will I still need to eq it down in the upper bass?

Also, would you also happen to know the retail price of the In-Room Bronze/4 LCR's?

And would I lose anything if the center speaker were faced horizontal instead of vertical (the way the Left and Right will be facing)?

Thanks for all your help again. :)

-DC

Hi Paul

I too am interested in Triads but the Platinum Series what do they retail at.

Also are there any plans for a platinum surround, as there is only the gold surrounds right now

Thanks
Steven

DC...There's an InRoom Bronze LCR, an InWall Bronze/4 LCR, and an InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR. The numbers signify the required mounting depth. The InRoom models have no number. If you place an InRoom Bronze LCR; or any other speaker; on a shelf, you'll get a little boundary boost, but you probably won't notice it. Vocals may sound a little chesty, especially Dolly Parton recordings. (Indulge me...it's 6 AM here.) If you have an equalizer in your system, you can easily knock down that bump. InRoom Bronze LCRs are $500 each in the basic black finish. In most systems using three Bronze LCRs up front, the center is placed horizontally. Purists will tell you it's not ideal, but it works very well, especially for the middle two or three listeners.

Steven...The Platinum LCR and Platinum Center have just gone through an upgrade, with an improved crossover and a redesigned midrange chamber with more use of the clay-filled rubber damping material we use in the Monitor series. This is just my opinion, but I don't think there's any other speaker as accurate as the Platinum that will play as loud as the Platinum. It is absolutely sick. They are $6000 each, but that goes to $6300 each on February 1st. (I just told you something my dealers and reps don't know yet.) We are getting killed on price increases for foam and MDF. Increases this year have been 30% to 40%, and with all the bracing and double walls, the Platinum uses an acre of MDF. And at almost 150 lb. each, FedEx is spanking us on freight, which we pay for.

There are two new Gold Surrounds coming which will replace the current Gold Surrounds. They will be somewhat larger, and utilize eight drivers each. The InWall version has a nearly-flush grill and will fit into a 4" deep stud space. This will be a huge improvement over the current Gold Surround, designed to mate with the new Gold LCR and also for use with the Platinum LCR.

The InRoom Platinum PowerSub is still $2800US, and uses the same monster 18" Eminence driver, but it is now shipping with the new RackAmp1000, which delivers 1000 watts into a 4 ohm load. The old amp was 500 watts. The new amplifier has roughly the same features as the old one, but it is styled better and kicks pretty hard.

A complete Platinum system just went into a $2M house about a mile from me, and I should be able to hear it and calibrate it before Christmas. The installer used the big Sim2 Moon stuff, so it should be awesome. I've heard Platinums with a Denon receiver, though, and they still crush.

Thanks for the helpful info. Paul. Just to let you know, I have already listened to these speakers in a custom install done by one of your custom installers, Ultimate Control, here in San Jose, Ca. They were fantastic as the speakers were all in-wall, and I never thought I'd hear in-wall speakers sound so good. I would love to have the budget to move up to the Platinums, but I'm still satisfied with the prospects of getting the Bronze LCRs. My planned theater room is about 17'x17' and I'll be running my Denon 4806 receiver thru these speakers. Any recommendations on settings either receiver/speaker in order for me to get the best sound out of these speakers?

Primarily, I'll use these speakers for movies, but I'll also enjoy listening to some great vocals once in awhile.

Thanks again for your help.

-DC

DC...

There are two new Gold Surrounds coming which will replace the current Gold Surrounds. They will be somewhat larger, and utilize eight drivers each. The InWall version has a nearly-flush grill and will fit into a 4" deep stud space. This will be a huge improvement over the current Gold Surround, designed to mate with the new Gold LCR and also for use with the Platinum LCR.

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Add my name to the list of thinking about the In Room Gold LCR's.

Paul, I currently have M&K S-150's all around in my theater, and I would like to know how the Gold LCR's would compare. I'm looking for a speaker that goes a little deeper than the M&K, and ultimately, sounds better with music - and, ultimately, movies.

Also, when do the new Gold "On Wall" Surrounds come out - and how much will they be?

I'm very much enjoying this thread, as Revels and Aerials are also on my short list.

My planned theater room is about 17'x17' and I'll be running my Denon 4806 receiver thru these speakers. Any recommendations on settings either receiver/speaker in order for me to get the best sound out of these speakers?

Primarily, I'll use these speakers for movies, but I'll also enjoy listening to some great vocals once in awhile.

Thanks again for your help.

-DC
That's a pretty straightforward setup. I'd leave the crossover frequency at 80 Hz for the fronts and surrounds. Bronze LCRs use very robust, cast-basket Peerless drivers, and they have pretty good headroom at 80 Hz. If you have an 8.5' ceiling, you hit the jackpot as far as a big bass spike. You have two 17' dimensions already, and a multiple of that will cause problems. Expect a peak between 60-70 Hz, which you may be able to remove by inducing crossover suckout. If you have a bump there, lowpass your sub at about 50 Hz and highpass the fronts at 80 Hz, creating a dip where you have boost.

I'm guessing, based upon your dimensions...Run a Radio Shack analog meter with a test CD that has a bass frequency sweep with a voice-over. I have one, and I'll try to dig it up for the title...

Add my name to the list of thinking about the In Room Gold LCR's.

Paul, I currently have M&K S-150's all around in my theater, and I would like to know how the Gold LCR's would compare. I'm looking for a speaker that goes a little deeper than the M&K, and ultimately, sounds better with music - and, ultimately, movies.

Also, when do the new Gold "On Wall" Surrounds come out - and how much will they be?

I'm very much enjoying this thread, as Revels and Aerials are also on my short list.

Again, those are all great brands...among the best. The M&K S-150 is very snappy and dynamic, with lots of output and a very theatrical presence. I mean that in a good sense; the speaker is a lot of fun, and it's a great HT choice. The Gold LCR is more expensive and larger, and has bigger drivers, so, naturally, it has more extension, output, and power handling. Seas designed all the drivers in the Gold LCR expressly for Triad, and the emphasis was on smooth, accurate, musical sound. We don't "voice" or "tailor" any of our speakers. You may interpret that as being very accurate on music. One characteristic of the Gold LCR that is revealed after extensive listening is that the speaker does not change personality as the volume is cranked. It just gets louder...not aggressive sounding.

This isn't meant as a commercial...I happen to love this speaker, even if my opinion may be biased. Okay, they're paying me, I'll admit it... :rolleyes: :D

That is not the news I wanted to hear Paul. New Gold Surrounds. If they are as big an improvement as the new gold lcr's are over the classics, they are going to be sick. I think for sure my wife is going to kill me on this upgrade. When are the new Gold surrounds going to be released and what is the msrp on them?

Ben

That is not the news I wanted to hear Paul. New Gold Surrounds. If they are as big an improvement as the new gold lcr's are over the classics, they are going to be sick. I think for sure my wife is going to kill me on this upgrade. When are the new Gold surrounds going to be released and what is the msrp on them?

Ben
The design concept is frozen, and we are still qualifying one of the driver choices. I can't give you a date, but the new Gold Surrounds are a few months away. It's as dramatic an improvement as the new Gold LCR over the Classic Gold LCR, though, so they'll work well with both Gold and Platinum LCRs. The price goes from $1200 each to $1500 each.

I hate to be the bearer of good news...

Thanks a lot Paul. :) I just picked up a set of the Gold LCRs and could not be happier. I have been running two pairs of OnWall Gold Surrounds for about 4 years now. An upgrade of those would be great, however, cost is always an issue. To me the mains are much more important, but the idea of better matching surrounds is always nice. Geez, my wife is going to kill me. :( Next thing you know is you will be upgrading the Platinum subs and then I will have to replace those as well.

...Next thing you know is you will be upgrading the Platinum subs and then I will have to replace those as well.

As of two weeks ago, the Platinum is shipping with a new 1000 watt ICEpower RackAmp.

Damn you Paul.....


Actually, it will take more than that to make me switch out my current Platinum PowerSubs. An upgrade to the driver to go along with the extra power would certainly give me something to think about.

Damn you Paul.....


Actually, it will take more than that to make me switch out my current Platinum PowerSubs. An upgrade to the driver to go along with the extra power would certainly give me something to think about.

Maybe like one with higher sensitivity and double the excursion?? :rolleyes:

The price seems good. I was thinking the price increase would be like that of the new Gold LCR's. Really the price is not anymore than the current Gold surrounds at $1200 msrp for the standard black onwall version. What are the dimensions?

Maybe like one with higher sensitivity and double the excursion?? :rolleyes:

Yeah, like one with double the excursion and higher sensitivity. Better start saving up now. :eek:

Well I own Aerial 10t's and CC3 center powered by Bryston 7Bst amplifiers. 10t's are not made any more cause it was getting to difficult the make the heads.

Aerial makes awesome speakers. I'm sure Triads are very good. Find a place that lets you take them home and listen in your own home before you buy.

I must say that the efficiency of the Golds are quite high. I need a 400 watt amp to get my Aerials to play at the same level that the Triads will play with a 100 watt amp. The price is good too.

I love my Aerials and will never change them cause I'm completely happy. Thats the goal! Revels are awesome speakers too. Just listen to all three and decide for your self. Everyone has different tastes.

Ron

I agree, they are all very good brands. One advantage to the Triads is that you purchase the speakers individually. This is really important, if like myself, you have designed a room such that three identical speakers can be used across the front. Aerial, and correct me if I am wrong, Revel sell their speakers (other than centers and subs) as pairs which means if you want three identical speakers across the front, you will have to purchase two pairs of speakers.

We don't have final dimensions yet, but the InWall Gold Surround may be the same grill size as the InWall Silver/4 LCR...not sure yet.

(repost from "WTMW center" thread cuz I though it applies here too)


I have an Aerial CC3B and I love it. In fact, I like the midrange so much I spent about 3hrs last night just listening to CDs thru it, while surfing here. I have it standmounted so I pulled it out in the room, and hooked up one of the stereo channels to it and disconnected the other channel. It was non-fatiguing, very relaxed, and not "shouty".

the bass output is generous so you have to be careful with placement if running full range, which is the way I was listening to it last nite. I think it sounds best standmounted in free space just like a bookshelf speaker. Put it front of a TV, and bass is slightly muddied. If it's hidden like in many dedicated theaters, crossing the center off at 80hz should do the trick. There are "environment" controls on the back which gives the highs a bit more emphasis when placed near boundaries. I thought it was hokey when I first researched it, but now I experiment with those quite often and find it very flexible. It should also be useful to match other brands of speakers too.

I find some bookshelf speakers have a midbass bump which clouds lower vocals, like a slight "nasally" sound to it (Monitor Audio S2, Totem Rainmaker). The CC3B (in full range) has just a trace left of that. I'm hoping biwiring and bridging my Classe CA-150 to 300watts mono @ 8ohms will do the trick. (cross fingers)

Upgrading my mains to a different brand is difficult because then I'll have to find a center better than this which will be hard, time consuming, and $$$.

They say the CC5 is in another league altogether. At over 100lbs and $3500us retail it should be. Maybe if I run into some money I'll find out

Well I own Aerial 10t's and CC3 center powered by Bryston 7Bst amplifiers. 10t's are not made any more cause it was getting to difficult the make the heads.

Aerial makes awesome speakers. I'm sure Triads are very good. Find a place that lets you take them home and listen in your own home before you buy.

I must say that the efficiency of the Golds are quite high. I need a 400 watt amp to get my Aerials to play at the same level that the Triads will play with a 100 watt amp. The price is good too.

I love my Aerials and will never change them cause I'm completely happy. Thats the goal! Revels are awesome speakers too. Just listen to all three and decide for your self. Everyone has different tastes.

Ron
That sums it up nicely. :cool:

As an aside, some bookshelf (and other speakers) have a midbass hump for this reason: An acoustic suspension speaker system will drop off at a rate of 12 dB per octave below the resonant frequency. So, to get some bass extension and good spectral balance on a speaker with a 80 Hz resonant frequency, the designer may manipulate the crossover to attenuate the midrange and treble to make the speaker have more bass...a bass bump of, say, 4 dB centering at 80 Hz. This will make the speaker down 8 dB at 40 Hz instead of 12 dB. The speaker will sound better without a sub, but WITH a sub, it may sound bloated, warm, chesty, thick, full, boomy, flatulent, chocolatey, dark...(pick your favorite reviewers' cliche.)

Triad has done the same thing with the Omni series, which is designed for full range use in modest applications without a sub, but the LCRs, Monitors, and MiniMonitors are ruler flat because a sub is almost always used with them.

Also, most center channel speakers are designed with no consideration that it may be parked on top of a big Mitsubishi dog house, which will bring the upper bass response up about 2 dB.

We don't have final dimensions yet, but the InWall Gold Surround may be the same grill size as the InWall Silver/4 LCR...not sure yet.

Sorry if I missed this Paul, but will the new Gold Surrounds also be available as an "on wall" version?

There are two new Gold Surrounds coming which will replace the current Gold Surrounds. They will be somewhat larger, and utilize eight drivers each. The InWall version has a nearly-flush grill and will fit into a 4" deep stud space. This will be a huge improvement over the current Gold Surround, designed to mate with the new Gold LCR and also for use with the Platinum LCR.

I do believe so bambam.

Sorry if I missed this Paul, but will the new Gold Surrounds also be available as an "on wall" version?

There will be OnWall and InWall Gold Surround versions. The reason I think the InWall will be a big hit is it will fit into a 4" stud depth and have an almost-flush grill.

I'm aware that you're looking for comments from those familiar with the Triads which I have heard many good things about, but like you have been unable to audition.
I happen to have Aerials (10T L/R, and CC3B center), and I cannot imagine sound to be much better without approaching stratospheric pricing. I have been a hobbyist for almost 40 years now, and while yes, the Aerials demand power, they're well worth the investment to properly power them (I use Parasound). I employ them for a 50/50 mix of HT and music and they're unbelievably satisfying for both applications. While the 10Ts are no longer available, the 9 is and of course so is the 20T...Stereophile's 2004 speaker of the year...for very good reason!
As you have already heard the Aerials, I think you know what I'm talking about. Personally, and with all due respect to Triad and other manufacturers that employ CEDIA types to sell their products; there is NO way I would ever buy any speaker without a lot of judicious listening to it regardless of the review no matter how glowing...especially in the price range we're discussing and you are contemplating. Good luck with your purchase, and don't let the Aerials go by without another listening session. For me, they are speaker Nirvana!
Cheers :cool:

I'm aware that you're looking for comments from those familiar with the Triads which I have heard many good things about, but like you have been unable to audition.
I happen to have Aerials (10T L/R, and CC3B center), and I cannot imagine sound to be much better without approaching stratospheric pricing. I have been a hobbyist for almost 40 years now, and while yes, the Aerials demand power, they're well worth the investment to properly power them (I use Parasound). I employ them for a 50/50 mix of HT and music and they're unbelievably satisfying for both applications. While the 10Ts are no longer available, the 9 is and of course so is the 20T...Stereophile's 2004 speaker of the year...for very good reason!
As you have already heard the Aerials, I think you know what I'm talking about. Personally, and with all due respect to Triad and other manufacturers that employ CEDIA types to sell their products; there is NO way I would ever buy any speaker without a lot of judicious listening to it regardless of the review no matter how glowing...especially in the price range we're discussing and you are contemplating. Good luck with your purchase, and don't let the Aerials go by without another listening session. For me, they are speaker Nirvana!
Cheers :cool:

I agree completely with you! I would never change my Aerials for something different. I do know some people that don't care for them. Everyone has different likes and dislikes when it comes to how they want there speakers to sound. Guys I know that love Watt Puppies usually don't like the sound of the Meridian 10T's. The 20T's sound closer to a Watt Puppy to them. I don't care for Watt Puppies myself. Way to harsh with some music for my tastes. That was with an expensive high end amp and digital front end too. I listened to them with several amps and digital gear and just didn't warm up to them. Yet a lot of people love them.

I would love to hear the Triads. The price is very good and the efficiency is so high that the purchaser can buy a better sounding 100 watt amp for less as apposed to a 400 watt amp that can break the bank. The Triad Gold reminds me of the CC3 and the LR3 design. They may not sound as good to you or me but they may sound better to someone else. Heck they may sound as good...I haven't heard them so who knows? That's just based on my opinion hanging out at the local Hi end shop.

Like you said, everyone should try any speaker at home with there own electronics or at least go listen to them before you buy.

Ron

(repost from "WTMW center" thread cuz I though it applies here too)

I find some bookshelf speakers have a midbass bump which clouds lower vocals, like a slight "nasally" sound to it (Monitor Audio S2, Totem Rainmaker). The CC3B (in full range) has just a trace left of that. I'm hoping biwiring and bridging my Classe CA-150 to 300watts mono @ 8ohms will do the trick. (cross fingers)



I never cared for the Aerials with Classe amplifiers. Thought they sounded dull and sloppy yet with some speakers they are great sounding amps. Mark Levinsons are awesome with 10T's. I purchased my Bryston 7Bst's because they used them to voice the 10T's at the factory. I talked to an Aerial Tech who built them and they used Bryston amplifiers. I live in Massachusetts near Aerial Acoustics. I had a Counterpoint amp once and they didn't sound quite right to my ears. After I got the Brystons I was a happy camper. The Brystons were three years old and I sent an email to Bryston to see if i could get two amps changed to add remote power turn on and they had me send them to Bryston and they were upgraded for a small amount of cash. I was floored. What a great company. They ordered new rear panels and had my serial numbers put on the panels so it looked like I purchased them that way. They are warranted for 20 years!

Ron

Ronomy:

I would love to able (afford) a nice ML amp to try out. In the meantime, I have a pair Model 7s that gives me fatigue from time to time with the same Classe amp. I guess it's the crappy mainstream recordings that I prefer. The few fine audiophile recordings I have do sound wonderful. I'm thinking of picking up a pair of 7Bs or 10ts (used) so I do hope that those models are more refined in the treble. I think that's why I gravitate towards lush, tubey sounding amps.

sorry if this is off topic, guys..

That's a pretty straightforward setup. I'd leave the crossover frequency at 80 Hz for the fronts and surrounds. Bronze LCRs use very robust, cast-basket Peerless drivers, and they have pretty good headroom at 80 Hz. If you have an 8.5' ceiling, you hit the jackpot as far as a big bass spike. You have two 17' dimensions already, and a multiple of that will cause problems. Expect a peak between 60-70 Hz, which you may be able to remove by inducing crossover suckout. If you have a bump there, lowpass your sub at about 50 Hz and highpass the fronts at 80 Hz, creating a dip where you have boost.

I'm guessing, based upon your dimensions...Run a Radio Shack analog meter with a test CD that has a bass frequency sweep with a voice-over. I have one, and I'll try to dig it up for the title...
Thanks Paul.

The actual dimensions from speaker to speaker will be in about a 15'x15' area. My ceiling is 9' and the front Bronze In-Room LCRs will be sitting on a shelf at about ear level to me sitting on the couch directly across from the custom built home entertainment center.

My question to you is whether or not I'll still need the acoustic foam placed around and behind each LCR speaker laying on the custom shelf for each speaker of the entertainment center?

And should I, or should I not have a cabinet cloth door enclosing each speaker?

Basically, the designer/installer will be creating a slot in the shelf for each speaker, and it is my option if I would like to have a cabinet black cloth door around each slot to hide the speaker.

I will be using the Bronze/4 surrounds mounted in-wall, ear-level and directly across from my ears.

Thanks again for the help.

-DC

There will be OnWall and InWall Gold Surround versions. The reason I think the InWall will be a big hit is it will fit into a 4" stud depth and have an almost-flush grill.

Paul,
Will the new OnWall Gold Surround have a similar shape - i.e. triangular - to the current Gold Surround?

My question to you is whether or not I'll still need the acoustic foam placed around and behind each LCR speaker laying on the custom shelf for each speaker of the entertainment center?

And should I, or should I not have a cabinet cloth door enclosing each speaker?

Basically, the designer/installer will be creating a slot in the shelf for each speaker, and it is my option if I would like to have a cabinet black cloth door around each slot to hide the speaker.

I will be using the Bronze/4 surrounds mounted in-wall, ear-level and directly across from my ears.

Thanks again for the help.

-DC

If you're going to fashion a cloth grill, make sure the speaker is as far forward as you can get it to avoid a "cupped hands" sound. The cavity the speaker is in should be packed with open-cell upholstry foam, or something to fill the excess space between the speaker and the slot. You can get foam remnants cheap. If you do a cloth door, remove the grill from the speaker.

bambam: The new OnWall Gold Surround (and the InWall) will have a flatter grill that's more attractive. The InWall is the big story, with a nearly flush grill.

If you're going to fashion a cloth grill, make sure the speaker is as far forward as you can get it to avoid a "cupped hands" sound. The cavity the speaker is in should be packed with open-cell upholstry foam, or something to fill the excess space between the speaker and the slot. You can get foam remnants cheap. If you do a cloth door, remove the grill from the speaker.

bambam: The new OnWall Gold Surround (and the InWall) will have a flatter grill that's more attractive. The InWall is the big story, with a nearly flush grill.
Paul, you've been a great help to me. Thanks very much.

Now I just need to find a place where I can get some "open-cell upholestry foam." We have a Home Depot over here and they didn't carry this type of foam. Any suggestions?

Thanks!

-DC

You can get this type of foam at a foam or upholstery shop. Home Depot is generally a place to be avoided. Now if I could get my truck to stop going there I'd be all set to take part in the boycott.

Home Depot is generally a place to be avoided.

Am I the only one who calls it The Home Despot??

Go to an upholstery shop or supply house and try to buy open-cell foam remnants. John Dunlavy's low-budget anechoic chamber was stuffed with it.

I remeber hearing a setup from Triad at the HE2002 convention it was the Platinum LCRs and smaller set of LCRs with the InRoom Plat sub, upon leaving the demo room hearing of Triad for the first time I grabbed all of the lit avail (well not all but whatever individual ones :-P )

I must say they are of a different breed, if I had to throw in an analogy

Definitive is to Triad as Ford is to Porche

~Bob

For what it's worth (this thread may be dead) but a buddy of mine who's a dealer is doing a comparison of the In-Room Gold LCR Center channel (Horizontal) to the Wilson Watt Puppy tonight. After which, he's sending me the speaker as I'm buying it (there's no reason for him to tell me it's as good as the Wilson as he knows I'm buying it regardless of the outcome...)

Anyway, I had the old in-room golds, and they were fantastic. The BEst Sounding Theater I've ever heard was with the old in-room golds at a local "Laser Land" here in San Jose. The room was well treated, had the MC-12B, Bryston amp and 3 in-room golds across the front while watching the first Matrix. During the fight seen in the dojo-training hall, the weird audio effects literally came from the middle of the room - they didn't sound like they came from the speakers. I bought them because of this and am trying to get back to this nirvana. NOW, I just need to get a RTA and figure out where other than the front wall I need to do room treatments....

Best,

E

For what it's worth (this thread may be dead) but a buddy of mine who's a dealer is doing a comparison of the In-Room Gold LCR Center channel (Horizontal) to the Wilson Watt Puppy tonight.


I would love to hear what his reaction is. The Wilson is $10,000 each the last time I checked, and it's an awesome product. The InRoom Gold Center is $1,850 each after the price increase February 15th. Is he just doing a listening comparison, or will he measure frequency response?

Boy, if he throws Triad under the bus, am I ever going to feel like a fool... :rolleyes:

Boy, if he throws Triad under the bus, am I ever going to feel like a fool... :rolleyes:

Won't happen, and if it does, the Triad Secret Society will hunt him down like the dog he is. :)

BTW, any timelines on when we can expect to see the updated OnWall Gold Surrounds, and Platinum PowerSub? Just itching to upgrade my original OnWall Gold Surrounds and Platinum PowerSubs.

Hi folks,

I emailed my dealer-friend again to get additional info, but this was his quote regarding the Watt Puppy vs. the InRoom Gold...

"The Triad out of the box was great last night up against the $11,000 Wilson center."

Best,

Stieger

Hi folks,

I emailed my dealer-friend again to get additional info, but this was his quote regarding the Watt Puppy vs. the InRoom Gold...

"The Triad out of the box was great last night up against the $11,000 Wilson center."

Best,

Stieger
YES!!! <armpump-armpump-armpump>

If he has any more detailed observations, I'd appreciate hearing them, even the critical ones. All this helps us make a better and/or more desirable product. Thanks for posting the response.

Won't happen, and if it does, the Triad Secret Society will hunt him down like the dog he is. :)
Hey, we don't even need a court order to eavesdrop on you!

BTW, any timelines on when we can expect to see the updated OnWall Gold Surrounds, and Platinum PowerSub? Just itching to upgrade my original OnWall Gold Surrounds and Platinum PowerSubs.
The Gold Surrounds are starting to look like April. We did not get the desired sensitivity with the four 2" midrange drivers, so we have since switched to four 4" mids. The estimation is at least 6 dB more output than the current Gold Surround, which already plays to robust levels.

The newest Platinum PowerSub is shipping now with the 1000 watt RackAmp, and it has at least 1.5 dB more output. I would not replace existing Platinums, though, because it isn't a night-and-day difference. I expect a driver change in the near future, and hopefully Eminence can continue to supply us, but with more excursion. I love their bass drivers.

Hi,

Just talked to him, he said a few things:

"There's no way you'd buy the Watt Puppy at $10K after hearing this thing (Triad)"
"The Triad was right out of the box, so it didn't seem to have the bass extension quite as low as the Watt Puppy..."
"The system was Krell Pre/Pro and Amp, which made the Watt Puppy too bright, but the Triad sounded really smooth..."

Overall, he thought it was a no brainer if you were to hear both. He had the Triad on a couch, and left the Watt Puppy on it's stand, which could have been a reason for the less bass depth.

Best,

Eric

Thanks! We were very pleased with the Gold PowerSub portion of the review, too.

If anyone in or visiting Portland would like a tour of a factory that actually makes speakers, let me know and I'll arrange it. No free samples, though...

I took the tour a few years ago and it is well worth the time spent. Triad builds great speakers in a great facility. Thanks to Paul again.

Paul,
It looks like I will have to get a couple pairs of the new OnWall Gold Surrounds once they are available.

The reworked Platinum PowerSub I was referring to was the one with the new driver, assuming that this takes place. Selling and shipping large heavy subs is such a PITA that the new Platinum PowerSubs will have to be a nice upgrade over the current model to make me switch. An extra 6 dB headroom at low frequencies, and lower distortion just might do it.

Speakers showed up yesterday - just in time for "card night" at the Stieg house.

Anyway, they are much more dynamic than the martin logans - I didn't level match them, so obviously the Triads were coming through loud and clear where the ML's were pretty "quiet."

Anyway, they are incredibly heavy! Great speakers!

I had Aerials before, and they are very nice too. However, I definitely prefer the 'softer" sound of the Triads, it sounds more realistic to me, in my room.

I got some of the "holographic" sound I mentioned in an earlier post - now I just need to get them on stands and tweak their positioning. I'm thinking "Home theater meet" in the very near future in Morgan Hilll, CA.

Best,

Stieger

The Gold Surrounds are starting to look like April. We did not get the desired sensitivity with the four 2" midrange drivers, so we have since switched to four 4" mids. The estimation is at least 6 dB more output than the current Gold Surround, which already plays to robust levels.



What will the retail be on the new On Wall Gold Surrounds?

What will the retail be on the new On Wall Gold Surrounds?
The retail price on both the OnWall and InWall versions of the Gold Surround will be $1500.

Question about triads - i want to add Triad Omni Rounds in ceiling to my basement bar. Problem is - it's drop ceiling - it can't support speaker weight - i guess i need to clamp the box somehow.

Any idea where to listen\buy triads in Chicago NW suburbs(Arlington heights) ?

Question about triads - i want to add Triad Omni Rounds in ceiling to my basement bar. Problem is - it's drop ceiling - it can't support speaker weight - i guess i need to clamp the box somehow.

Any idea where to listen\buy triads in Chicago NW suburbs(Arlington heights) ?
The OmniRound5, OmniRound6 and OmniRound8 aren't very heavy, and can work in a drop ceiling, but there may be a bracket for that purpose...I'm not sure. We talked about it last year. Call Bill at Triad at 800 666 6316 and tell him what you're tryiing to do.

To find a dealer, e-mail rep Gary Effert at Tandem Marketing at gaeffert@aol.com or call Tandem at 847 860 1010. Because we're about 99% custom, demos are not easy to find, but we'll help as much as possible. Use my name when you speak with my reps as it tends to enhance their attention a bit.

The OmniRound5, OmniRound6 and OmniRound8 aren't very heavy, and can work in a drop ceiling, but there may be a bracket for that purpose...
Thank you. Do you know what's MSRP on OmniRound5, OmniRound6, OmniRound8 ?

OmniRound5 $200 each
OmniRound6 $250 each
OmniRound8 $300 each

All have an integrated sealed enclosure for predictable sound and no annoying bleeding through into adjacent rooms.

Speakers are very high on my list of things to upgrade this year (and so is a new pre/pro amp combo or new receiver). The current leader in my search are the Focal/JMLabs Solo 6 Be active studio monitors. They sound excellent, neutral, detailed and with great imaging and they list for $1000 each. This puts me in the $3k-$5k price bracket for alternatives. The sub is a seperate upgrade search for me.

I have been following this thread with great interest. I have heard of Triad speakers before and am familiar with their excellent reputation. A set of InRoom Silver LCR's and Surrounds would be right in the middle of my price range, but I'm wondering if I shouldn't save up a little (well alot really) more and get a set of InRoom Golds instead. From everything I've read the Golds are reference quality speakers and I could probably skip an upgrade cycle or even two (I tend to buy new speakers every 4 years or so).

My real quesiton is this: How good are the Silvers compared to the Golds? I know that since all Triads are designed to be accurate they should sound very similar, and I won't be putting them into that large a room at first, but I would be ready should I move them to a larger room later on. Since I doubt I will have the chance to compare these speakers side by side, I am lookng for input from those that have heard both, or that may have done such a comparison. What does one give up going from Gold to Silver? I guess i just have the nagging feeling that if I buy the Silvers I will still want to upgrade to the Golds at some point, which would be even more expensive than just buying a set of InRoom Gold LCRs and Surrounds to begin with.

The InRoom Silver LCR is $850, and as of February 15th the InRoom Gold LCR is $1,850, so there's a thousand bucks difference per unit. Triad's margins on the two products are almost the same, which indicates how much more goes into a Gold LCR. The enclosure alone costs us about the same as the entire Silver LCR. The drivers are much more expensive, the shipping carton costs more, freight is more than twice as much, and the crossovers are pricey. Within each price category, I'll put them up against any other LCRs for sound and build quality, but they are not the same animals. In fact, in my own A/B comparison between the Gold LCR and the $3,400 Gold Monitor, the Gold LCR lost, but it was closer than one would think. (Still, I am using Gold Monitors in my theater.)

This is not to imply that the Silver LCR is cheap. The cast-basket Peerless woofer/mid drivers, for example, are stunningly good. In fact, we use them in other products, and we're trying to design some upscale versions of those products with better drivers, and it appears we'll have to spend three times as much to achieve a significant improvement.

In an A/B using the Gold LCR and the Silver LCR, I heard a very similar family sound. When speaker products are designed with absolute accuracy as the reference, there are strong sonic similarities. The Gold LCR sounded a bit more focused with a tad more definition and analytical tightness with almost 3 dB more output capability.

Again, the other speaker brands mentioned throughout this thread are excellent, and you'll have to make the choice.

I thought you might be interested in what the raw interior of a Gold LCR looks like after box assembly, with bracing and gluing. This is before any finish work, obviously, and doesn't include any of the foam, which fills the entire enclosure. Note the assymetrical bracing pieces which help break up standing waves within the enclosure. Also note the brass fittings for the cup/crossover...no wood screws anywhere. So, why do we bother doing all this if no one can even see it?? ;)

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-7/36400/IRGoldLCR_inside.jpg

Paul --

First off I want to thank you for your continued involvement here at AVS. I would not have even considered Triad without reading your contributions.

That being said, I was wondering a few things. I know that you have made a couple of statements to the fact that the Gold Monitor is better than the Gold LCR. In terms of dynamic capability, does that still hold true? I see on your site that the monitor series is the 'audiophile' grade of your speakers... is there any plan (or need) for a platinum level in the monitor series?

I am looking for a matched set of 3 speakers for LCR to replace what I have now. I have to have 3 identical speakers (that is what I have now, and simply refuse to go back to mismatched sound) and was wondering if it is OK to turn any of your speakers on their side? I am thinking specifically of the Platinum LCR, as I do not have a transparent screen, and it is too tall to put underneath standing up. However, on its side pointing up would be OK (I have 24" to the bottom of my screen). Am I correct in that the Plat LCR is a sealed speaker? What freq do you suggest in crossing it over to? I use a couple of very capable subs to augment the lower end.

Thanks for any and all info,

Blake

Blake: First of all, the Gold LCR is about as "dynamic" as the Gold Monitor, with the same 92 dB sensitivity and roughly the same 150-300 power handling. The Gold Monitor has even higher resolution and refinement. The Gold LCR uses an excellent Seas tweeter, but the Gold Monitor uses all Scan-Speak drivers with the R-29 tweeter that you can get a deal on through Madisound for only $450 each! The R-29 has pretty flat response to 60 kHz. Keep in mind the Gold Monitor costs almost twice as much as the Gold LCR.

All Triad speakers are sealed. I would use a 60 Hz crossover frequency for both the Gold and Platinum LCRs, unless the system will be played abusively loud, and then move it up to 80 Hz. And call an audiologist, because you're going to need some work done...

If you do three Gold Monitors up front, as I am doing, the center has to be turned on it's side. This is not optimum, but it works very well. The Gold LCR and Platinum LCR solve this problem by having center channel versions, with vertically-aligned mids and tweets.

I'm about to be able to stand all three Gold Monitors up in the same plane, when my acoustically transparent Screen Research 80" jobbie gets here...

I appreciate the response Paul. Costs notwithstanding, is the Plat LCR a better speaker than the Gold Monitor, or just different? I am making this purchase once, and the Plats are at the high point of my budget. If they are truly worth the extra scratch, then I am OK with that.

I would want 3 of the same speakers. I know that there is a center channel version, but I have had speakers that have all the same drivers, just different lay-outs, and always go back to 3 identical speakers. If I have to hamstring one of them temporarily until I get a acoustic screen, then so be it. Do you know how much of a compromise it would be for the Plats?

Thanks again for your candid and thoughtful comments. I really appreciate it.

Blake

Paul:

As you seem fairly open to giving forum members the current MSRP on select Triad speakers, would you be agreeable (or permitted) to give us the prices for ALL of Triad's speakers?

Thanks ........... Peter (he who all too often cleans up after three doxies ..... bummer!!!)

Paul I see your point. I suppose I could always upgrade the front soundstage first and then add Gold Surrounds later if I run short of time, money or patience. Of course I would finally fulfill the upgrade goal I set for myself 2 years ago, which was to make my next upgrade a move to something can hit reference level and that I can keep for a long, long time. In the long run it'll be cheaper than upgrading now and buying something I would want to upgrade from in four years.

Sean, et al.,

If you're ever in the San Jose, CA area, you're welcome to come by and listen to my setup.

I bought the Gold In Room LCRs site unseen based on a dealer-friend's suggestion. I replaced martin logans, which had been my long standing favorite.

I've had aerial acoustics LR5's, 10T's, and a few others - but I'm really liking the inRoom Golds. Terrific for theater. I don't do much 2-channel, but the listening I do with them is nice (I can't say awe inspiring because 2-channel just doesn't do it for me).

I"m getting the Gold mini-monitors tomorrow for my "rear channels" and can set them up and do a comparison if you like with the inRoom Gold LCRs. Let me know and I'll do it.

Best,

stieger

Wow, I can't believe this thread is still going. I originally started this thread a LONG time ago. Well, I ended up buying the Triads. I purchased the In-Room Gold LCRs for my mains and the In-Room Gold Center, so I have the same 3 speakers across the front. For the rears I had to go with an "On-wall" and after talking to a couple of guys from Triad's sales department they told me that the Omni On-Wall Gold surrounds would probably be the closest "Sonic" match to my Gold LCRs up front.

I received the front 3 speakers 4 days ago, and although I haven't done any critical listening I have some some demoing and they are in a word "Smooth". That is the biggest difference I hear so far. Great detail and very smooth. Dialogue is very clear from the center speaker.

My surrounds should arrive in a week or two and I am still waiting for stands/pedastels (right now they are on old speaker stand that are a bit small, but doing the job) for my mains. Once everything arrives I will give a more detailed review, but so far so good.

Paul, do you concur that the On Wall Gold Omnis are going to be my best sonic match with my Gold LCRs since I have to go with an On wall (direct radiator)? I would love to hear your opinion.

I plane on doing some heavy demoing this weekend with the In Room Gold front 3 this weekend.

Take care all...

(audiophile1966)

Let me know what you set your crossover at - just curious. Somewhere in this thread or another Triad thread, Paul suggests a 60Hz Xover. Just wondering if I should then set my subwoofer at 60Hz, or a little lower or higher. Thoughts?

Setting it at 60Hz - no dip in signal or loss of frequency assuming room has no peeks.

Setting Sub X-over at 70Hz, I would lose the 60-70Hz range...

Setting Sub X-over at 80Hz and speakers at 60Hz, I assume I get "too much" within the 60-80Hz range (or is that not totally true??)

Stieger

My Triads fronts are crossed at 70hz and my sub is at 70hz.

You should have them crossed at the same frequency or cancelation and numerous other problems can occur.

Jack

Costs notwithstanding, is the Plat LCR a better speaker than the Gold Monitor, or just different?

Okay, I seem to have quite a few questions to respond to, and I'll answer all of them, in no particular order, and as time permits.

I started a thread that disappeared immediately some months ago...I don't know how or why...and it had to do with selecting the APPROPRIATE speaker for your application, and not just what might be empirically the best. In the case of the Platinum LCR and the Gold Monitor, let me say I have had both in my 11.5' x 19' theater, and they both excelled, but in different ways. The Gold Monitor is probably more appropriate for my near-field setup, and it has the best dynamic tweeter I know of; better than the Platinum LCR tweeter. The Platinum LCRs, however, play a full 8 dB louder, and I could crush myself against the back wall with them with the huge Parasound amp I was using at the time. I measured 121 dB in my room, which is totally sick. :eek: The Platinum is better suited for gonzo theaters where the listeners are 12' - 24' back, and as good as they are, they overpowered me in my room, and as an ex-professional drummer, I have no fear of decibels. The design goal of the Platinum LCR was for it to be the best-sounding LCR available that would play that loud. It also has narrower vertical dispersion, which works better in most theater applications. The appropriate application should be the deciding factor.

So, audiophile monitor with lots of headroom?...or 94.5 dB sensitive LCR that'll handle a kilowatt and break your sternum??

Paul:

As you seem fairly open to giving forum members the current MSRP on select Triad speakers, would you be agreeable (or permitted) to give us the prices for ALL of Triad's speakers?

Thanks ........... Peter (he who all too often cleans up after three doxies ..... bummer!!!)
I would never refer to a daschund as a "weiner dog" by the way. ;)

We are in the process of revising all price sheets, and I currently don't have a retail version. I should have one within two weeks. If anyone wants one, please e-mail me at pscarpelli@triadspeakers.com and I'll forward it when I have it.

Paul, do you concur that the On Wall Gold Omnis are going to be my best sonic match with my Gold LCRs since I have to go with an On wall (direct radiator)? I would love to hear your opinion...

I was not privy to the conversation you had with the consultant at Triad, and he knows more about your system than I do, but in a direct-radiating situation, Gold Omnis work great with our Bronze, Silver, and Gold LCRs. Some of the Omni drivers are the same drivers used in some of our LCRs.

(audiophile1966)

Let me know what you set your crossover at - just curious. Somewhere in this thread or another Triad thread, Paul suggests a 60Hz Xover. Just wondering if I should then set my subwoofer at 60Hz, or a little lower or higher. Thoughts?

Setting it at 60Hz - no dip in signal or loss of frequency assuming room has no peeks.

Setting Sub X-over at 70Hz, I would lose the 60-70Hz range...

Setting Sub X-over at 80Hz and speakers at 60Hz, I assume I get "too much" within the 60-80Hz range (or is that not totally true??)

Stieger
To clarify; with your fronts set to "small"; you can set the receiver or processer to 60 Hz only if you can set your sub's lowpass to 60 Hz, too. If you play movies at face-melting levels, move both crossover points up to 70 or 80 Hz. The Gold LCRs are robust down to 50 Hz, but you'll give up headroom setting the crossover that low.

My Triads fronts are crossed at 70hz and my sub is at 70hz.

You should have them crossed at the same frequency or cancelation and numerous other problems can occur.

Jack
I agree with Jack, however, you can flatten out peaks that occur between 60 Hz and 100 Hz by inducing crossover suckout. If you have a nasty peak at, say, 90 Hz, you might try setting the sub at 70 Hz and the fronts at 110 Hz to sit on the peak.

Ouch, that sounds painful...

Paul/guys,

Good point about the high and low pass if I have a peak - I just need a real time analyzer, or something to indicate where my peaks are. There's a spreadsheet somewhere (I"ll attach it here) that indicates what peaks, dips may occur based on room dimensions, etc.

Paul, sounds like your room of 11.5 x 19 and mine 12 x 22, are pretty similar, most likely the exception is the ceiling - as mine indicates in the picture I attached earlier in the thread, I have an 8ft on the right side, but it slants down starting at the 6ft mark (middle of my room) down to 5ft at the far left wall.

How do you have your room setup? IE., how far out do you have your front speakers from the screen wall? How far back do you sit from the screen (I have a 110") Thanks!

Going to tweak this weekend, and see if I can remove any peaks or dips.

On another note, there are some professional EQs by QSC and Rane that have real-time analyzers and parametric/constant Q EQs - do you think this is a good idea to help flatten the response and get "better" sound?

Thx again, great thread! (Triad = Totally Realistic, Immersive, And Dynamic).

Stieger

here's that spreadhseet...

Stieger

How do you have your room setup? IE., how far out do you have your front speakers from the screen wall? How far back do you sit from the screen (I have a 110") Thanks!

(Triad = Totally Realistic, Immersive, And Dynamic).

Stieger
I have my three Gold Monitors in a slight arc at the same height with the center about ten inches from the wall. That entire wall and three feet of the adjacent walls are covered with custom-made acoustical panels done by Dennis Erskine. :thumbs: The 80" screen will be about 4" in front of the center. The two rows of seating are at around 11' and 15'.

I'm in the middle of a remodelling right now, and my theater is disconnected. In fact, I have a washer, dryer, and refrigerator sitting in the uncarpeted theater right now. :eek: :eek: :eek: I have advice if you ever decide to remodel: Don't. Sell the place and buy a new house. :rolleyes:

Paul,
I know this is OT but, what screen are you using?

I'm waiting for a motorized Screen Research 80" which may be the most acoustically neutral screen available. It's a weave, and not perforated. My friends over at THX really like it. (Sorry, wrong part of the Forum...)

waiting for a Screen Research 80" Me too, ordering fixed version on Monday. Thanks for replying sorry for the OT.

Paul,

Can you compare & contrast the Mini-monitors to the LCR's. If I am in a relatively small theater (19 x 24) and don't need the SPL's, am I better off with the mini-monitors?

What's MSRP on the Gold & Silver InWall Mini-monitors? Can I get them through AVS?

Finally, within a family, is there any difference in performance? Do the In-Rooms sound better than the In-Walls?

Paul,

Can you compare & contrast the Mini-monitors to the LCR's. If I am in a relatively small theater (19 x 24) and don't need the SPL's, am I better off with the mini-monitors?
That's not what I would call a small room. With an 8' ceiling, it is 3650 cubic feet, exceeeding the standard THX 3000' reference room size. MiniMonitors, due to the 2-speaker driver configurations, have more hemispherical radiating patterns, and may not be quite as well suited to multichannel sound in a larger venue compared to our comparably-priced LCRs. Our MiniMonitors are designed for somewhat smaller venues for either theater or high-end audio. Triad Monitors are a different story, with much more output and a narrower vertical dispersion pattern.

What's MSRP on the Gold & Silver InWall Mini-monitors?
InWall Silver/4 MiniMonitors are $1300 each. The InWall Gold/6 MiniMonitor needs 6" of stud depth and is $1800 each. If you wish to do something very good in a 4" depth wall, the InWall Silver/4 Monitor at $2200 each is a great choice.

Can I get them through AVS?
Triad is sold only through CEDIA-type custom installers. Go to "how to buy" on our website, and get the phone number for the local Triad rep. Mention my name and AVS Forum to gain his full attention.

Finally, within a family, is there any difference in performance? Do the In-Rooms sound better than the In-Walls?
The InWall, InRoom, InCeiling, OnWall, or InCorner versions of any of our speakers have virtually identical performance, with the same drivers, the same internal enclosure volume, and crossovers tweaked to compensate for boundary effect. The whole idea of our line is to provide solutions for every possible application with the least amount of sonic compromise.

Paul,

So If I am considering the Bronze or Silver but the center is going to be on a open cabinet as in only the bottom is MDF with the sides and top open. Of course there is going to be a wall haning Plama just above it, would you still recomment the center inroom models for the center only or use one of the other range for the center?

Thanks
Oliver

A Bronze or Silver LCR can be positioned horizontally for center channel. Although this is not ideal, it works very well, especially since it allows all three front speakers to be the same. There is no specific Bronze or Silver "center" model. The Gold and Platinum LCRs have centers with vertically-aligned mids and tweeters, and they work flawlessly, but the Bronze and Silver LCR used horizontally work fine.

You can mix different versions of the Bronze LCR, because performance among the various models is identical. Theoretically, you could use an InRoom for center, an InWall for left, and an OnWall for right channels, if the application dictated it.

Hello Paul,

I've read many of your posts researching Triads and found you on this thread today! Mind if I interrupt and borrow you? We’re talking about the same speakers.

My to be finished basement HT room is just under 13' wide, side walls 14' deep, no rear wall because it but opens to a larger rec. room, ceiling will be suspended/drop just over 8'. Tastes are 50% movies/50% music (blues, rock, acoustical, jazz vocal, and a little of everything else). Looking for a musical home theater that is also my dedicated listening room. Oh, and I am talking all in-walls; room is tight and I can’t do in-room because the hall to the bathroom is stage left. Plus the wife wants in-walls, so I am being passive-aggressive spending 3x as much for Triads! Will be using a B&W ASW1000 sub. Likely Outlaw 1070 receiver; could use my Adcom 545II for 2 channel if needed and significantly better..

I am considering Bronze or Silver LCR; Bronze Surround on sides; and because I want to do 7.1, and there will be some crossover for music listening in the rec. room, I’m considering ceiling mount Omnirounds or the Silver or Gold 6 Omni. Golds were recommended, and the upgrade to Gold isn’t that much more dough in the big picture, but considering potential Silver LCR, need I keep it consistent? My other questions… Is it ok to mix Silver LCR with Bronze surrounds (with a Gold 6 Omni)? This was recommended because the cost difference is significant and I am on a budget, and I was told the only major difference is size of drivers, which shouldn’t matter that much with dipoles and my size of room. And the big one I know you will qualify anyway… Is the Silver LCR a worthwhile investment to keep away the upgrade bug, or will there be no significant advantage considering the size of room and tastes? A non-sound consideration is that screen wall space is a premium and the Silvers are wider; every inch counts. (I still don’t know where in Creation I’m going to get the center channel to fit without buying an acoustical screen).

My dealer has been helpful, but I can’t listen to these because they aren’t carried in the show room, and I can’t visit a finished theater to compare Silver/Bronze because I won’t commit to system config. and put 50% down. No pressure… but I need to make a decision soon, because I will be doing the install myself and want to get the new-construction mounts in to save a hassle later. You are the Triad King. Any advice is appreciated!

That's a smallish room, but you can make it sound really good with inwalls. The Bronze LCR and Silver LCR use a similar tweeter and cast-basket Peerless woofer/mids, only the Silver uses 6.5" drivers; slightly bigger. The sound won't be dramatically different in a smaller room. Also, the 4" deep Silver/4 LCR is very big. If you have 6" of stud depth, then the Silver/6 LCR will work great and look better. You'll still like the InWall Bronze/4 LCR if you choose it, though.

In that room, you can use Bronze Surrounds with Silver LCRs. There's no problem mixing Bronze with Silver because of the driver similarity, and surrounds should be matched to the room and seating arrangement more than to the front speakers. Use either InCeiling Gold/6 Omni or InCeiling Silver/6 Omni in the back of the listening area. (The sound from a dipole and a direct-radiating speaker is so different, it really doesn't matter if the drivers are matched...but they happen to be.)

You may want to do an acoustical screen to allow for all three fronts in the same plane, and positioned vertically, especially in a room that size. You'll also want to order the speakers custom paint matched at Triad for a real custom look, which will make you and the wife both happy. If you catch my driftage. ;)

I realize you haven't heard the speakers, but in a smaller room with carpeting and furniture, your expectations will be exceeded. I'm not being cocky, either. If you can do it...it ain't braggin'... ;)

If you have 6" of stud depth, then the Silver/6 LCR will work great and look better. You'll still like the InWall Bronze/4 LCR if you choose it, though.

You may want to do an acoustical screen to allow for all three fronts in the same plane, and positioned vertically, especially in a room that size.

I realize you haven't heard the speakers, but in a smaller room with carpeting and furniture, your expectations will be exceeded. I'm not being cocky, either. If you can do it...it ain't braggin'... ;)

Thanks Paul. I was feeling really guilty for the ramble :( , but details are helpful to avoid multiple posts sometimes. I can't do 6" stud depth because that hallway I described stage left is already too tight, which is one reason I am worried with speaker size/wall space over there.

While I have your ear... In terms of the big picture of the project, considering I have a budget and would like to stay married ;) , does it seem wise to you (having heard both and being sensitive to audio issues well beyond my humble aptitude), to use the extra money I would have spent on the Silver LCR and go Bronze LCR with an acoustical screen? That is, in my application, is it better to align the Bronze properly (aka acoustical screen), than have a Silver center channel grazing the ceiling or floor :eek: ?

....I’m considering ceiling mount Omnirounds or the Silver or Gold 6 Omni.

r5d4,

My situation is very similar to yours, no rear wall because my set-up is on one end of a big (17' x 42') multi-use room. What I'm planing on using for my ceiling mounted rear surrounds is Triad InCeiling Silver/6 Omni's (http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/ics6o.html). The angled baffle should alow for more precise positioning for rear effects.

I think going with an Omni Round or Omni will either result in the the sound being to far behind you or directly above you.

Mike

r5d4,

My situation is very similar to yours, no rear wall because my set-up is on one end of a big (17' x 42') multi-use room. What I'm planing on using for my ceiling mounted rear surrounds is Triad InCeiling Silver/6 Omni's (http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/ics6o.html). The angled baffle should alow for more precise positioning for rear effects.

I think going with an Omni Round or Omni will either result in the the sound being to far behind you or directly above you.

Mike

Thanks Mike, good point, especially for the theater application. However, if I'm listening to tunes shooting pool in the rec. area behind the home theater, watching a game, etc., wouldn't it sound funny if those speakers were directed back towards the theater? That's why I was considering the Omniround- I was wondering if I could get some dual use there. They'd be a couple of feet behind the main seating in the theater, which also puts it a couple of feet into the game room. Another option is ceiling mounting a Bronze Surround (6.1) or two (7.1) up there? Or, would the dipoles also be wierd for music; and not give a directional rear effect for theater?

I am building a dedicated home theatre that will be approx 18' x 26' and will have a 9' ceiling. I am just beginning to look at speakers. I plan on having a 7.1 setup. Someone mentioned to check out Triad speakers. I see that the gold in room speakers are $1750 each for LCR. How much are the surrounds and the subwoofer and would I need one or two subs? Also, would these speakers be appropriate for the size room I am building. Also, someone else mentioned M & K speakers. I know they use them at many studios mixing rooms but I don't know if that translates well to a home theatre. Any opinions would be appreciated.

I think the In Room Gold LCR's would be appropriate for a room that size. And I believe that they are now $1850 ea. MSRP. The On-Wall Gold surrounds are $2400/pr. if I'm not mistaken. They are really nice if you like or want to use dipoles.

I'm considering these same speakers myself and I am debating On Wall Gold surrounds or perhaps four In Room Silvers or Bronzes for surrounds.

If only I could find someplace to audition them I'd be fine. I know they're very high quality speakers and I might just take the plunge without hearing them, as I've heard they sound very much like Aerials, which I am growing to like more and more every time I hear them. I'm sure that Paul Scarpelli will be along to clear up any mistake I've made sooner or later.

I think the In Room Gold LCR's would be appropriate for a room that size. And I believe that they are now $1850 ea. MSRP. The On-Wall Gold surrounds are $2400/pr. if I'm not mistaken. They are really nice if you like or want to use dipoles.

I'm considering these same speakers myself and I am debating On Wall Gold surrounds or perhaps four In Room Silvers or Bronzes for surrounds.

If only I could find someplace to audition them I'd be fine. I know they're very high quality speakers and I might just take the plunge without hearing them, as I've heard they sound very much like Aerials, which I am growing to like more and more every time I hear them. I'm sure that Paul Scarpelli will be along to clear up any mistake I've made sooner or later.
I won't discourage you from looking at Aerials! There are few speakers for the money (IMHO) that perform as well as Aerial, Triad, or Revel. Most of the time when speakers are mentioned here I have to bite my tongue, but not this time. ;) Accurate speakers tend to sound like other accurate speakers, thus your comment about similar sound. The Gold LCR is much more sensitive, though, and more capable of pinning you to the wall with little effort. 92 dB and they'll handle 400 watt UNCLIPPED peaks.

The InRoom Gold LCRs are now $1,900 each. But now we include a new handsome metal grill and color paint matching (speaker and grill) for free. Provide your dealer with a sample. Also, if you order veneer at extra cost, we will even custom match to your wood sample. This, of course, is impossible for other speaker companies to do when their shipments come over from China in containers, but we design and build these suckers in the U.S of A. :flag: We have built some veneer versions with the veneer custom matched, and the metal grill custom matched either the same color as the veneer or a complimentary color...No extra charge, and no one else can do this. :p

There are also matching pedestals, which place the tweeter at 40" high. If you buy a set from a dealer and you don't like them, I'll take them back from the dealer, as long as they're in new condition with the shipping cartons. Unless your room acoustics are teh suck, you'll keep 'em. I've never taken a system back.

There will be new, high-output OnWall and InWall Gold Surrounds by mid-December. They're larger, but the InWall fits almost flush into a 4" stud space. The price for the new 7-driver dipole is $1,500 each. They have at least 6 dB more output than the current Gold Surround, which will be renamed the Classic Gold Surround, and phased out when I can get all the diehards to stop freakin' ordering them.

I'm in the middle of a road bicycle stage race this week, so I may not respond quickly to this thread, but I'll try if you have any questions.

Folks,

I have a 7.1 Triad setup in a dedicated theater (Paul is aware of my constant PMs) and I absolutely love the system. My room is 13.5 wide x 24 deep x 8ft ceiling, and I have the triad inroom Gold's on the Triad stands + inwall gold surrounds (last model from about 4 years ago) and gold mini-monitors for the back channels.

After treating the front wall and 2+ feet of the side walls, I love these speakers (loved them before the room treatments, but now they have better imaging).

I had Aerials - I thought they were too big, I had martin logans - totally different sound. The Triads have terrific soundstaging and spaciousness when setup correctly. After about 50 hours of movies and music, they also seemed to open up a bit - the soundstage got as "deep" as I could ever recall in the room. I bought them from a dealer in LA, who's a friend of mine, without seeing them or hearing them - I trusted my "bud" that much.

He's never steered me wrong - I'll be keeping these for a while, unless I upgrade to the Platinum after winning the lottery.

PAUL - a while ago you mentioned if I wanted new grills for my inwall dipoles (I painted them and messed them up) you'd help me out. I gotta take you up on that, the wife is getting on my case now that the holidays, and subsequent "parties" are being planned - I need to get the grill covers back on.

Please send me a PM so I can get this taken care of PLEASE!!

Best,

Stieger

Hmmm, $1900 each with matching metal grill and paint to order, huh? Are these gloss finishes or flats or do you have a choice? How much more for the veneers? Say Birds Eye Maple? The matching stands are for left and right I presume? Is there one for the center or do you just use the same stand?

The sensitivity of the Aerials is one of the reasons that I'm not seriously considering them and would rather have Triads instead. The Gold LCR's are at the upper limit of my price range and really what I had planned to spend on five speakers, but I'd rather spend that on reference quality mains and pick up surrounds later.

Will these new On Wall surrounds have drivers on three sides (the only way I can see have seven drivers on a dipole)?

All our paint finishes are a premium satin pebblestone finish. A veneered InRoom Gold LCR is $2,400, regardless of which of our 20 or so stock veneers is used, even bird's eye maple, which is drop dead stunning. It takes hours to do each speaker, and the veneer pattern is book-matched (mirror imaged), with the grain carrying into the optional pedestal. Left and right speakers are done with consecutive veneer sheets. It's a real premium process. We don't make a pedestal for the Gold Center because there's no way to know what size you'd need. Custom pedestals are available, but they are individually engineered and cost as much as $600 each (standard is $250.)

The new Gold Surrounds use a front-firing 6.5" driver, and two arrays consisting of two 3" drivers and a tweeter each.

(SeanMax)

If it makes any difference at all - since you're looking at building from the ground up...

I had an Anthem AVM50 in my setup with the Triads, and thought they sounded great.

I felt like selling the Anthem (it has a built in scaler) and bought a Pioneer Elite receiver, continued to power the 5 main speakers with an outboard amp (exactly what I did with the Anthem) and bought the Toshiba HD-DVD player. I think the video quality is still pretty good (not as good as the expensive Anthem) BUT...

The audio quality is just a good using a receiver - I attribute it to two things:

1. The Pioneer Elite has auto-EQ, which I really like and can tell the difference between the Anthem (which has no auto-EQ) and the Pio with center-EQ turned on - much more spacious.

2. The Triads are very easy to drive unlike the Aerials - so whether you use an outboard amp or not may not matter (depends on the size of your room of course...).

Personally, this may sound sacreligious, but I prefer the auto-EQ-Pioneer elite with the Triads than the Anthem and Triads.

My point, if you are getting to the upper limit of your budget with just the front L/R, you may consider buying a Receiver that can drive the Triads vs. considering seperate components which could cost substantially more.

(On a side note, I did drive the Triads with "just" the Pioneer elite amplifier, and it was great - not as much bass, but sounded good none-the-less). I decided to use my 125wpc Carver 705x amp simply because it was sitting there!

Good luck, and DON'T skimp on speakers. The speakers and room WILL make the biggest difference in your audio experience - Paul made a believer out of me...

Best,

Stieger

Thanks for the advice Stieger. Speakers are the top priority for me during this round of upgrades, as I have made many posts stating exactly what you have said, that speakers and the room make the difference in your audio experience. It's not the L/R pair that would put me near the limits of my budget, but rather the whole front soundstage L/C/R. The three combined (especially if I spring for wood veneers) are about what I had planned to spend on all five channels ($7500 MSRP). With luck I'll be able to get a decent discount from my local Triad dealer. I will basically be paying him to place an order and then receive the speakers, after all. I have always been partial to Outlaw products and I've been meaning to buy a 200w Outlaw amp for some time now. This seems like the perfect excuse. I was also thinking of using a Pioneer receiver (84TXSi) as my pre/pro until a more capable and affordable unit comes along.

After that it'll be a toss up between buying a sub (the JL Audio Fathom 113 is the leading candidate in this regard) or the surrounds. Once I have all of the audio components in place I suppose I'll pick up a 1080p projector to replace the 720p Sharp that I have now. After that it'll just be the occasional pre/pro and projector upgrade, and perhaps a move to 7.1 down the road. And of course treating the room to make the most of my speakers.

My friends think I'm crazy to drop five figures on home theater, but I consider it money well spent to not feel that I have to upgrade every couple of years.

Oh, and thank you for the information Paul. Those new surrounds seem like they may be just the thing to complement the Gold LCR's. Now, to veneer or not to veneer, that is the question. I'm leaning toward veneer since I really love Bird's Eye Maple and it would go a long way to reducing any potential WAF (if and when I get a Wife) issues down the road. That and I can't think of a paint color that I know I'd like to see every day for years to come, other than black, and I'm sure veneers wouldn't hurt the resale value.

Only thought on the veneer - IF you are placing the speakers near the screen, the speakers finish is somewhat shiny so you may get a glare off the speakers at your seated position.

I fixed it by using the "toe in" method - so at the sweet spot I don't notice any glare off the speakers. I use all black triad stands, which are more a matte finish and not glossy/shiny.

best,

Stieger

I have a need for inwall speakers for two channel listening. My kitchen is about 12 x 24 and I have a pair of Paradigm SA-25 inwall speakers being driven by a Marantz zs5300 multi-room contgroller putting out 60wpc into three rooms. I choose the source from my A/V receiver and this set-up has been in place for about two years.

One of my speakers seems to have completely stopped emitting any sound at all. Obviously, I'm going to look into repairing it.

This setback has caused me to reconsider my options for this room. My wife and I realize that we spend more time listening in this room than any other in the house. We are willing to spend what it takes put better sounding speakers into this room. I will have to fight to get any speakers that are deemed to be "big and ugly".

So - what great sounding inwall speakers to two channel listening?

I've started to read through this informative thread and I dont understand something - the Triads all seem to be 4 ohm speakers. How can that load be easy to drive? I was looking at the critically acclaimed Arcam AVR350 which is only 100wpc and wondering if it would be an issue pushing the Gold InRoom LCRs for example?

The Triads would be easy to drive with a GOOD receiver. It all about the advertised specs. Triad is more honest about their specs. NO speaker is 4,6,8,etc. ohms per se. They all vary by frequency, so a speaker rated at 8 ohms might be that at 2khz but at 100hz it might be 3 ohms. Triad shows the minimum ohms there speakers will drop within its frequency range (3.2ohms for Gold LCRs) but by no means is at that impedance all the time.

Below is a link for the Triad Gold Mini Monitors showing an impedance curve (impedance vs. frequency graph). Notice how much of the graph is above 4 ohms (dark blue line) yet they are rated at 4 ohms. If you look at a lot of these type of graphs you will certainly find some speakers rated at 8 ohms with worse looking graphs.

The author recommends a good amp with these mainly because of the low sensitivity of 86db. That is not a problem for for the Gold LCRs with a sensitivity of 92db.

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/TriadGoldMiniMonitorsp4.html

Bob

The Triads would be easy to drive with a GOOD receiver. It all about the advertised specs. Triad is more honest about their specs. NO speaker is 4,6,8,etc. ohms per se. They all vary by frequency, so a speaker rated at 8 ohms might be that at 2khz but at 100hz it might be 3 ohms. Triad shows the minimum ohms there speakers will drop within its frequency range (3.2ohms for Gold LCRs) but by no means is at that impedance all the time.

Below is a link for the Triad Gold Mini Monitors showing an impedance curve (impedance vs. frequency graph). Notice how much of the graph is above 4 ohms (dark blue line) yet they are rated at 4 ohms. If you look at a lot of these type of graphs you will certainly find some speakers rated at 8 ohms with worse looking graphs.

The author recommends a good amp with these mainly because of the low sensitivity of 86db. That is not a problem for for the Gold LCRs with a sensitivity of 92db.

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/TriadGoldMiniMonitorsp4.html

Bob

Damn, Bob, you nailed it. Thanks for saving me five minutes! ;)

I know this is a bit late in the fray for suggestions but centre speakers have always been a pet hobby of mine.. both DIY and commercial. I've listened to most of the models mentioned here on a visit to the States, but the one that blew my mind was the McIntosh CS350. So much so that I had one freight shipped at tremendous cost back with me to South Africa. That thing is amazing, and using three (it can also double as an LCR) sounds superb even in large rooms. I know McIntosh isn't a such a mainstream brand, but still worth a listen. The 5-tweeter array also pays off in that besides a wide sweet spot, even at extreme volumes the top end stays clear.

The only caution is that they're unforgiving with bright equipment (I ditched my Rotel RSP985 which is a horrible thing anyway in favour of a highly modded Meridian 565 with a topnotch DIY 8channel outboard DAC) and as with all large speakers need substantial amplifier power. The curved shape is quite attractive, although the finish is a bit lacking compared to others like the B&W HTM1 and to a lesser degree Aerial CC3, especially considering its $2500 pricetag.

How would the In-Wall Bronze/4 LCRs do in a 2-story family room that is about 25x20? The application is for tv and movies at moderate volume. thanks for any advice.

How would the In-Wall Bronze/4 LCRs do in a 2-story family room that is about 25x20? The application is for tv and movies at moderate volume. thanks for any advice.
That's probably an 8,000 cubic foot room, which is cavernous. The Bronze LCRs have a sensitivity of 90 dB, so unless you're seating is more than halfway back, they'll still play to robust levels. The Silver LCR is 92 dB, and it'll handle a bit more power, for about 4 dB more actual output.

That's definitely a two-subwoofer room, though. And probably direct-radiating surrounds.

Hi paul, I also need to make some decisions with budget. It's tempting to try and get everything at once but I 'm going to try and slow down, walk down the hill, and #@%^ them all, (Robert deniro from the movie Colors) With that in mind I will probably need to use the receiver I have for a year or so, It is an Marantz SR/8001, and it says the power output is 8 ohms 125 W/CH, or 6ohms 160W/CH
Will this unit work with 4 ohm speakers? more questions to follow, thanks jeff

Hi paul, I also need to make some decisions with budget. It's tempting to try and get everything at once but I 'm going to try and slow down, walk down the hill, and #@%^ them all, (Robert deniro from the movie Colors) With that in mind I will probably need to use the receiver I have for a year or so, It is an Marantz SR/8001, and it says the power output is 8 ohms 125 W/CH, or 6ohms 160W/CH
Will this unit work with 4 ohm speakers? more questions to follow, thanks jeff
Your receiver will work fine. It's rare that one of today's receivers will actually put out more power into a 6 ohm load than into an 8 ohm load. If it delivered the same or less, I'd have concerns about it driving 4 ohm speakers. The Bronze LCR isn't a hard load to drive, and only a Nancy-Boy receiver would have difficulty driving it.

That's probably an 8,000 cubic foot room, which is cavernous. The Bronze LCRs have a sensitivity of 90 dB, so unless you're seating is more than halfway back, they'll still play to robust levels. The Silver LCR is 92 dB, and it'll handle a bit more power, for about 4 dB more actual output.

That's definitely a two-subwoofer room, though. And probably direct-radiating surrounds.


Paul, that is helpful. I am trying to do the best I can within budget.

My installer is recommending:

Inwall Bronze/4 LCRs and Bronze/4 surrounds with a velodyne spl-100R 10" woofer. He suggests driving this with a Marantz SR7001 receiver.

Frankly, this speaker setup is about at the outside limit of my budget. Am I better off going with this setup or going for a less expensive brand that will be a better fit for the room?

Thanks again.

Sorry, I just read my own post and realize more details are in order. So, here goes. The room is a dedicated theatre, 16'X24'X 7'5" The screen will be screen research clearpix2, 120" wide, 2:35:1 ratio the room is already isolated, drywalled, and ready for room treatments, risers etc.
I think I'm going to get the 3 fronts first and build up from there. I will use the room abot 50% music and 50% movies, Ive been given the advise that if it sounds good for music the movies will sound good. My music tastes are mostly rock, some blues and almost always pretty loud. Ive never heard Triads but I trust the person that reccomends them, I just dont know what line to start with. I'm thinking the LCR Inwall golds to save the depth for the screen unless they are substantially more than the inroom golds. I'd like to keep my budget between $3500-$5000 for the 3 fronts. thanks, jeff

Paul, that is helpful. I am trying to do the best I can within budget.

My installer is recommending:

Inwall Bronze/4 LCRs and Bronze/4 surrounds with a velodyne spl-100R 10" woofer. He suggests driving this with a Marantz SR7001 receiver.

Frankly, this speaker setup is about at the outside limit of my budget. Am I better off going with this setup or going for a less expensive brand that will be a better fit for the room?

Thanks again.
If you want to do a serious system using inwalls, your installer has steered you in the right direction. You can spend less and get less, but you can spend more, and you can still get less. The system will perform well, and a year from now, you'll regret doing something less. I may be wrong, but I doubt it. ;)

Sorry, I just read my own post and realize more details are in order. So, here goes. The room is a dedicated theatre, 16'X24'X 7'5" The screen will be screen research clearpix2, 120" wide, 2:35:1 ratio the room is already isolated, drywalled, and ready for room treatments, risers etc.
I think I'm going to get the 3 fronts first and build up from there. I will use the room abot 50% music and 50% movies, Ive been given the advise that if it sounds good for music the movies will sound good. My music tastes are mostly rock, some blues and almost always pretty loud. Ive never heard Triads but I trust the person that reccomends them, I just dont know what line to start with. I'm thinking the LCR Inwall golds to save the depth for the screen unless they are substantially more than the inroom golds. I'd like to keep my budget between $3500-$5000 for the 3 fronts. thanks, jeff

The InWall Gold/6 LCR is $150 more each than the InRoom Gold LCR. The InWalls are $2,050 each. If you listen loud, you eliminate most of the inwalls on the market from consideration. These are 92 dB sensitivity and they'll handle 300 watt unclipped peaks. Just make sure the receiver can handle a 4 ohm load. Gold LCRs are definitely home theater speakers, but they are great for music. Your observation that if the speaker works well on movies it will work well with music is correct. A speaker that's accurate has no idea if it's playing music or a movie soundtrack.

You've selected a great screen (I love mine), but according to the width, you will be sitting 15' back. Is this correct? I mention this because quite often people buy screens that are too wide, and they lose brightness, contrast, black level, and detail.

Good luck. The project sounds really nice so far.

thanks paul,
Is my thinking correct that whatever "series" of speaker I get for the front 3 I should stick with for the surrounds, rear etc.? Is the monitor series around the same price as the LCR series?
For what you know of my preferances so far would for example is the Silver monitor line about the same price point as the gold LCR line? would that be a reccomended scenario? Also I really dont need Inwalls for the fronts as I have 24' lenght to play with, and I like onwall surrounds.
Thanks for noticing my screen size, right now I've got an SMX screen at 130" wide with my seat at 13' Ive been trying differant image sizes from 100" and up. I only want 2 rows of seats and I'm fine tuning the size and seating distance as often as I can:)

thanks paul,
Is my thinking correct that whatever "series" of speaker I get for the front 3 I should stick with for the surrounds, rear etc.? Is the monitor series around the same price as the LCR series?
For what you know of my preferances so far would for example is the Silver monitor line about the same price point as the gold LCR line? would that be a reccomended scenario? Also I really dont need Inwalls for the fronts as I have 24' lenght to play with, and I like onwall surrounds.
Thanks for noticing my screen size, right now I've got an SMX screen at 130" wide with my seat at 13' Ive been trying differant image sizes from 100" and up. I only want 2 rows of seats and I'm fine tuning the size and seating distance as often as I can:)
The three front speakers should be the same, but you can use Silver series for surrounds with Gold fronts, for example. In a perfect scenario with one listener, you'd use five identical speakers, but that isn't the real world very often, unless you're Gary Reber.

Silver and Gold Monitors run almost twice as much as the Silver and Gold LCRs, which are the best value we have for fronts. The Monitors use very expensive drivers, including the Scan-Speak Revelator tweeter in the $3,450 InRoom Gold Monitor. However, the Silver Monitors are around the same price as the Gold LCRs, all hovering around $2,000 each.

If you have the room, I would do Gold LCRs over Silver Monitors in your application. The Gold LCR will play a bit louder, especially down near 80 Hz, and even though it isn't quite as detailed as the Silver Monitor, which may work better in the near field, it will work better in your room. Read the reviews of both on our website.

thanks Paul, I'm going to narrow it to the LCR series, now I'm thinking of not doing inwall in case I want use these somewhere else in the future. would it be ok to use the inroom on stands behind the screen? I.m thinking it might be nice to be able to toe them, adjust spacing etc. The wall behind them will have absorption. how far forward should the speakers be? is against the wall ok? Is there a minimum distance to the side wall? thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Jeff

thanks Paul, I'm going to narrow it to the LCR series, now I'm thinking of not doing inwall in case I want use these somewhere else in the future. would it be ok to use the inroom on stands behind the screen? I.m thinking it might be nice to be able to toe them, adjust spacing etc. The wall behind them will have absorption. how far forward should the speakers be? is against the wall ok? Is there a minimum distance to the side wall? thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Jeff
We make Pedestals for all our InRoom speakers, with secure mounting and wire management. Here are my three InRoom Gold Monitors on Pedestals, with acoustical treatment behind and to the sides of the speakers to kill first reflections. I wouldn't position the speakers against the wall because they'll get "chesty" sounding. Move them out at least 10". You'll need at least a foot of space (minimum) to the side walls, and you'll need treatment there. You can see my three speakers are on an arc, with the left and right toed in. The Screen Research screen comes down and covers the center, with the left and right speakers to the outside of the screen. Other than the Triad speakers in the system, I am especially blown away by the Screen Research drop screen and the two Lyngdorf semi-digital amplifiers I'm using to drive the Gold Monitors.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-7/36400/UDDQE-Theater043.jpg

Looks nice, are the clearance reccomendations the same for the Gold LCR inrooms? the center looks to be all the way back, is that ok? also i will treat the sides and first reflection points.jeff

Looks nice, are the clearance reccomendations the same for the Gold LCR inrooms? the center looks to be all the way back, is that ok? also i will treat the sides and first reflection points.jeff
It's an optical illusion, due to the camera flash, but the center is about a foot away from the acoustical treatment. The InRoom Gold LCRs have the same requirements.

thanks for clarifiying that, how close can the fronts be to the screen? it will be a fixed screen.

Paul,

Is there any issue with using in-wall Bronze 4 LCR for left and right front and using an on-wall Bronze LCR for center?

Thanks,
Jared

thanks for clarifiying that, how close can the fronts be to the screen? it will be a fixed screen.
Sorry I missed this post. The speaker should be at least three inches behind the screen, if you're referring to an acoustically transparent screen.

Paul,

Is there any issue with using in-wall Bronze 4 LCR for left and right front and using an on-wall Bronze LCR for center?

Thanks,
Jared
The reason we make different versions of the same speakers is to fit applications like the one you have. Theoretically, an InRoom Bronze LCR could be used for left, an OnWall Bronze LCR for center, and an InWall Bronze/4 LCR for right. The speakers are the same, but they're all configured for different installation applications.

The reason we make different versions of the same speakers is to fit applications like the one you have. Theoretically, an InRoom Bronze LCR could be used for left, an OnWall Bronze LCR for center, and an InWall Bronze/4 LCR for right. The speakers are the same, but they're all configured for different installation applications.

OK great. I had the in walls installed yesterday. They couldnt get the center one into the wall due to some issues with studs, so we are going to go with the on-wall for center.

The systems sounds absolutely terrific. I love it.

Paul:

Thanks for staying on top of this forum. I've had the InWall Omni Gold's for my surrounds for over a year now. Moved from Chicago to San Jose and picked up a small house. Anyway when I had them installed I was thinking about going for a complete inwall setup but the installer I worked with suggested I hold off until I get the big flatscreen I wanted. Also, he said Triad had just come out with OnWall versions of some of the speakers and suggested that maybe they would be a good route for a couple of reasons.

1) Would be easier to mount the center speaker as studs would most likely prevent an inwall center.
2) They would be portable and could move with me if I decide to move to a bigger house in the near future.

Anyway I have been searching the internet for reviews, happy customers, etc about your OnWall speakers and haven't really been able to find any info. Can you shed some light on what to expect if I went with one of the following setups or even better suggest a setup. What is lost by going with the OnWall vs. the InWall?

1) 3 OnWall Bronze LCRs across the front
2) 3 OnWall Gold MiniMonitors across the front
3) InWall Silver/4 MiniMonitors for LR and either a Bronze LCR or Gold MiniMonitor for Center

Also, what are the MSRP for the following speakers. I will keep the Omni Golds for the surrounds and have a sub for the base extension.

Thanks.

Lance

Paul:

Thanks for staying on top of this forum. I've had the InWall Omni Gold's for my surrounds for over a year now. Moved from Chicago to San Jose and picked up a small house. Anyway when I had them installed I was thinking about going for a complete inwall setup but the installer I worked with suggested I hold off until I get the big flatscreen I wanted. Also, he said Triad had just come out with OnWall versions of some of the speakers and suggested that maybe they would be a good route for a couple of reasons.

1) Would be easier to mount the center speaker as studs would most likely prevent an inwall center.
2) They would be portable and could move with me if I decide to move to a bigger house in the near future.

Anyway I have been searching the internet for reviews, happy customers, etc about your OnWall speakers and haven't really been able to find any info. Can you shed some light on what to expect if I went with one of the following setups or even better suggest a setup. What is lost by going with the OnWall vs. the InWall?

1) 3 OnWall Bronze LCRs across the front
2) 3 OnWall Gold MiniMonitors across the front
3) InWall Silver/4 MiniMonitors for LR and either a Bronze LCR or Gold MiniMonitor for Center

Also, what are the MSRP for the following speakers. I will keep the Omni Golds for the surrounds and have a sub for the base extension.

Thanks.

Lance

Our OnWall speakers are virtually the same as the InWall, InRoom, and InCeiling versions, unlike most speaker company's products. (They make nice freestanding speakers, and el cheapo custom speakers, usually.) The OnWalls sound virtually the same as the InWalls, although there is a very slight blip in the response due to enclosure diffraction. (Inwall speakers work slightly better than onwalls, and considerably better than inroom speakers due to no reflection off the wall behind them. If I must, I will post technical articles supporting this.)

The OnWall Bronze LCR is $850 each, in a costly extruded aluminum enclosure. It can be ordered in 1/4" increments, and custom paint matching is free. (Match your walls and it'll disappear. Match your TV, and it'll stick out in your peripheral vision. Up to you. ;) )

The OnWall Gold MiniMonitor among the best onwall speakers at any price, and they're $2,050 each. They use a Scan-Speak woofer/mid, and a Vifa tweeter. I have three InCeiling and two InRoom versions at my home, and I love them.

I can't recommend your 3rd option, because it mixes dissimilar speakers across the front. BTW, we've had the current OnWall models for three years.

Thanks for asking!

Does anyone have specs of original Gold LCR and original Gold Surrounds?

I am shopping for Parasound A52 & A23 amps to drive these speakers along with Gold Omni in rears. Can I set up this way?
A52 5-channel 125W @ 8ohm; 225W @ 4ohm (lcr & surrounds)
A23 2-channel 125W @ 8ohm; 200W @ 4ohm (rear speakers)

I am also tempting Parasound A51 & A21 amps. They are 250W@8ohm; 400W@4ohm. Overkill?

Does anyone have specs of original Gold LCR and original Gold Surrounds?

I am shopping for Parasound A52 & A23 amps to drive these speakers along with Gold Omni in rears. Can I set up this way?
A52 5-channel 125W @ 8ohm; 225W @ 4ohm (lcr & surrounds)
A23 2-channel 125W @ 8ohm; 200W @ 4ohm (rear speakers)

I am also tempting Parasound A51 & A21 amps. They are 250W@8ohm; 400W@4ohm. Overkill?
The Classic Gold LCRs, as they are now called, are around 90 dB sensitivity, and an amp that delivers 200 watts into their 4 ohm load is perfect. If you pound any more power than that into them, you'll just get power compression and you may blow the 6.5" Seas drivers. Because of all the horn gain (around 8 dB at the tweeter crossover frequency), the tweeters are attenuated down low, and that adds lots of headroom, and makes them nearly indestructable. Don't push it, though. :rolleyes:

Response on the Gold LCR is around +/- 3 dB from 80 Hz - 18 kHz. The dispersion control lens boosts the bottom end of the response enough that we have to "sit" on the curve to flatten it. If we made it perfectly flat, sensitivity would be in the 87 dB range, which isn't a good tradeoff.

The Gold Surrounds are rated at 83 dB sensitivity, but that's measured on axis, in the null. Each array is actually around 87 dB sensitivity, (which would mean 90 dB, total, if the two arrays were in phase), but when a dipole is measured in the null, the reading is lower.

I hope that helps. ;)

I plan to push the 225W amp into the classic Gold LCR 4-ohm load and Surrounds. Would it be a problem? What are the LCR and Surrounds maximum power handling?

It is possible to damage any speaker with any amplifier. A 50 watt amp could set those speakers on fire, and so could a 500 watt amp. You can't drive the amp into hard clipping, and you can't grossly overpower a speaker, either. The Classic Gold LCRs can handle instantaneous peaks of 500 watts, midband, but if you ran an 80 Hz test tone through them at 100 watts, they would eventually puke. Speakers handle power based upon the frequency of the tone, the duration, and the level. Power ratings are absolutely meaningless.

That said, you'll be fine with a 225 watt amp on the fronts. And in order to clip a 225 watt amp into surrounds, you would have to be at a gazillion watts in the front speakers. Abuse will blow these speakers; not an amplifier.

Anecdote: As we walked onto the CES show floor seven years ago (GINORMOUS hall at the Las Vegas Convention Center), we heard an awful continuous boom-and-hiss noise coming from the other side of the block-long room. As we got closer, we realized it was from the Triad booth. At some point when the power in the hall was turned on, the ADA processor went into calibrate mode at full volume, with a Cinepro monster amp driving the system. The four Triad Platinum PowerSubs (18" drivers) were dumping a God-awful amount of pink noise bass into the room, and the three Gold LCRs, despite being fed 300+ watts of pink noise, were still making noise, but only from the tweeters. All the Seas midrange drivers were destroyed, although the crossovers were still okay. Even after the worst case of inadvertant speaker abuse I've ever seen, the speakers were repairable. I don't expect you to push them this hard.

But I digress...

Even after the worst case of inadvertent speaker abuse I've ever seen, the speakers were repairable.

Hello Paul!

What is the worst case of "advertant" abuse that you have seen??

Hello Paul!

What is the worst case of "advertant" abuse that you have seen??
That's an easy one, even though I have been futzing with speakers for around 45 years.

In the '80s I was behind the counter at Columbia Audio/Video, and the front door opened. The smell of burning carbon wafted through the door, followed by a young, wealthy bean trader, carrying an M&K S1B. "I think I need service," he grossly underestimated. The satellite smelled like it had gone through a house fire. The mids had burn marks near the voicecoils, and a closer look inside revealed resistors burnt through the crossover PC board. His other satellite speaker was in the same shape.

I asked him, "John, what were you doing when this happened??"

"I was doing yardwork, and I had the speakers outside so I could listen to music. I only turned them up loud enough that I could hear them over my work."

"And what kind of yardwork?"

"I was cutting down trees with a chainsaw, about 50 yards from the house."

He was actually angry when I fell to the floor laughing, but I pleaded his case to Chuck Back at M&K, and they covered it under warranty, only because we were a top 3 M&K dealer.

I have a need for inwall speakers for two channel listening. My kitchen is about 12 x 24 and I have a pair of Paradigm SA-25 inwall speakers being driven by a Marantz zs5300 multi-room controller putting out 60wpc into three rooms. I choose the source from my A/V receiver and this set-up has been in place for about two years.

One of my speakers seems to have completely stopped emitting any sound at all. Obviously, I'm going to look into repairing it.

This setback has caused me to reconsider my options for this room. My wife and I realize that we spend more time listening in this room than any other in the house. We are willing to spend what it takes put better sounding speakers into this room. I will have to fight to get any speakers that are deemed to be "big and ugly".

So - what great sounding inwall speakers to two channel listening?
What is the wall depth?... and do you have the full cavity width?

Triads are fully engineered MDF enclosures with thick baffles and bracing. They sound like good freestanding speakers because they are built exactly like Triad's excellent freestanding speakers.

If there are conduits, gas pipes, water pipes, etc., or if the cavity is narrower because of a jack stud, or other obstacle, you need to identify this because it may limit which enclosures will fit.

Let's say that you have open cavities in the "wet" wall of the kitchen (where the drain and vent stacks are located), and you have 2x6 construction.

For C-class executive budgets, the Monitor class are available as In-Wall versions... Paint matching your grilles at the factory (with the factory finishing equipment) to your walls is no extra charge.

In-Wall Gold Monitors ($ 7,300/pr.) These require a 2x6 cavity depth, and are approx 14" x 24"
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/productphotos/iwgold6monitor.jpg

InWall Silver Monitors ($ 4,500/pr.) These are available as 4" depth or 6" deoth, with the cutout size being larger for the shallower speaker
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/productphotos/iwsilver6monitor.jpg

Toward the bottom of the scale of offerings, the InWall Silver Omni ($ 900/pr.) are basically a bargain...
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/productphotos/iwsilver4omni.jpg

These are just three of the 15 or so models that are available...

The 60w/ch from your Marantz multi-zone system are capable of driving the smaller speakers without any issues, but good speakers will always appreciate better electronics.

That system has pre-outs that can be setup to be variable, use them into a bigger stereo amp for this zone.
Something 100w/ch and high current (like a Parasound Classic 275 or 2125) would really wake up any of these speakers, and the sound would be just outstanding on any of the Monitor or Mini-Monitor class InWalls.

PM Paul for more info and a referral for a Triad dealer in your area.

Hi Paul,

I’ve gutted a basement room in my house and will be turning it into a small home theater (5.1 channels). It’s 13’x12.5’ and just barely 7 feet high. The front wall has 2x6 studs and the back and side walls are made of 2x4s. I would like to install in-wall speakers throughout and by reading these posts, I’m convinced Triad speakers are the way to go. I’m on a budget constraint (the wife doesn’t know how much I’ll be spending on these) so I would like to spend as little as possible yet have a great sounding system for the money.

1. Can you recommend an affordable 5.1 speaker setup? (Without knowing the prices and just by going from the info on your website, I’m thinking of the Inwall Bronze/4 LCR for the front 3 channels, the Inwall Bronze/4 Surrounds), and the Inwall Bronze/4 PowerSub).
2. Is there any chance I could get the MSRP on the Triad Speakers? This will give me an idea so that I can set a realistic budget for speakers.

Thanks

Your receiver will work fine. It's rare that one of today's receivers will actually put out more power into a 6 ohm load than into an 8 ohm load. If it delivered the same or less, I'd have concerns about it driving 4 ohm speakers. The Bronze LCR isn't a hard load to drive, and only a Nancy-Boy receiver would have difficulty driving it.


I am interested in the in ceiling gold LCR's or in ceiling LCR monitors for my 5.1 setup. I am concerned with using my Denon 5308. There is a note in the Denon manual that says to use speakers that are 6-16ohms. There is also a note about using 4ohm speakers that says you may trip the thermal protection circuit after extended use at high volume. In the specs the amps rated output is 150w for the center, 150w+150w for the fronts, surround(a+b), and the rear surrounds at 8ohms...or 170w for those speakers at 6ohms. The specs also state "dynamic power " 200W x 2 at 8ohms and 340W x 2 at 4ohms.

I did not think to check those particular specs before buying the Denon. How big a problem is this really if I am trying to use these 4ohm speakers on a 5.1 system? I am afraid I may have a "Nancy-Boy" receiver.:)
Thanks,
Robert

I am interested in the in ceiling gold LCR's or in ceiling LCR monitors for my 5.1 setup. I am concerned with using my Denon 5308. There is a note in the Denon manual that says to use speakers that are 6-16ohms. There is also a note about using 4ohm speakers that says you may trip the thermal protection circuit after extended use at high volume.
That's a conservative disclaimer. Your receiver is fine. You will shut it off thermally if you play abusively loud for an extended period, but that's to be expected when abuse is involved. Check which Triads you might be interested in on the website...there's no InCeiling Gold LCR or InCeiling Gold Monitor. There's an InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR and an InCeiling SIlver/6 Monitor, though.
I am afraid I may have a "Nancy-Boy" receiver.:)
Thanks,
Robert

No, it's a beast. No worries.

That's a conservative disclaimer. Your receiver is fine. You will shut it off thermally if you play abusively loud for an extended period, but that's to be expected when abuse is involved. Check which Triads you might be interested in on the website...there's no InCeiling Gold LCR or InCeiling Gold Monitor. There's an InCeiling Bronze/8 LCR and an InCeiling SIlver/6 Monitor, though.


No, it's a beast. No worries.

Thanks Paul. The InCeiling SIlver/6 Monitor is what I recall on the Triad web site. It looks like that is about the best I can get in ceiling for the LCR speakers. What should I use for the rear surround? BTW, I am on a trip in China and I have had no luck getting on the Triad web site from here. I was in S. Korea the other day and had no problems...I suspect the censors are worried about something. No Triad speakers for the Chinese I guess.:)
Thanks again,
Robert

Thanks Paul. The InCeiling SIlver/6 Monitor is what I recall on the Triad web site. It looks like that is about the best I can get in ceiling for the LCR speakers. What should I use for the rear surround? BTW, I am on a trip in China and I have had no luck getting on the Triad web site from here. I was in S. Korea the other day and had no problems...I suspect the censors are worried about something. No Triad speakers for the Chinese I guess.:)
Thanks again,
Robert

The InCeiling Silver/6 Monitor, at $2,450 each, is arguably the best inceiling front speaker. I've heard some great systems with them and subs and surrounds. There's a good review from late 2003 on our website.

Surrounds depend upon the room. In a smaller, dead room, the InWall Silver/4 Surrounds work great, either in the wall or ceiling. If the room is a bit larger, you have focussed seating, and not a lot of acoustical treatment, look at InWall or InCeiling versions of the Gold Omni or Gold Omni SE.

Coincidentally, someone informed me yesterday that our website is unavailable in China. I may have caused that with some of my comments about our speakers (mostly) being made in America and not coming here in containers from China. I think "mad in America" is a big deal while some don't, but apparently the Chinese government thinks it's a big deal, too. :p

I don't know where it works, but on your cell phone or BB, try www.mytriad.mobi for a slimmed-down, compact version of our big website. It's easier to navigate on a tiny screen.

I am honored to share this thread with fine speaker companies like Aerial and Revel, BTW. Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!