This is the place to talk about Sony's much anticipated A10 series LCD rear projection televisions.

Sony is currently releasing new LCD sets for 2005/2006. More info will be added as it becomes available.

Please post initial sightings, owner reviews, tweaks/calibration settings, issues/problems and tips 'n tricks with these new sets.

Do not talk street pricing, MSRP only.



Availability:

A10 Series (42" and 50" models): Late July/Early August (as of 7/22, should be shipping any day)

A10 Series Inputs:

• Input(s): PC Input (D-sub 15) + Audio Input (Stereo Mini) 1 (0 Front / 1 Rear)

• Input(s): HDMI™ + Audio L&R 1 ( 1 Rear) connector

• Component Video (Y/Pb/Pr ) Input(s): 3 (1 Front / 2 Rear)

• S-Video Input(s): 1 (1 Rear)

• Composite Video Input(s): 3 (1 Front / 2 Rear)

• Input(s): RF 75-ohm F-type 1 (1 Rear)

• Input(s): Cable 75-ohm F-type (1 (1 Rear)

• Input(s): CableCARD™ PCMCIA-type 1 (1 Rear) slot

• Input(s): Total Audio Input (LR, RCA-pin) excluding HDMI 5 (1 Front / 4 Rear)

• Digital Audio Output(s): (Optical) 1 (0 Front / 1 Rear)

• Headphone Output(s): 1 (1 Front / 0 Rear)

• Audio Output: Audio Output (Variable/Fixed) 1 (1 Rear)



Sony KDF-E42A10 42" Rear Projection LCD Display

MSRP $1999 as of 7/22/05

• Dimensions (WxHxD)

• 39 3/8"×28 1/2"×14 1/8" (999×722×357mm)

42" box dimensions - 43.5" x 33.5" x 18.5"

Sony Link To KDF-E42A10 (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDFE42A10&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_42to51TVs)



Sony KDF-E50A10 50" Rear Projection LCD Display

MSRP $2499 as of 7/22/05

• Dimensions (WxHxD)

• 46 5/8"×32 5/8"×16 1/8" (1184×827×408mm)

50" box dimensions - 50" x 37" x 20.5"

Sony Link To KDF-E50A10 (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=KDFE50A10&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=tv_ProjectionTVs_RearProjection_42to51TVs)

What we know so far: The A10 series has an Advanced Iris which is supposed to improve contrast/black level. To what degree we do not know, but the only Sony front projector (VPL-HS51) with this feature has received very good reviews on contrast/black level.


Owners Manuals:

Sony KDF-XXA10 Manual (http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/documents/specifications/kdfe42a10_manual.pdf)

I think a 50" set would be pushing my luck for the size room I have available. The front projector folks are pretty happy with the advanced iris on the VPL-HS51, so I think this will be a pretty exciting year for LCD rear projection.

Here's a review on the VPL-HS51 with the advanced iris:

http://www.theperfectvision.com/new...tpv61/sony.html

I'll be curious to see what the PC input can do as well for resolution settings and refresh rates. It will be fun to get some games up on the big screen.

Yeah...I think the advanced iris will be a great improvement. However, i never had a problem with LCD blacks anyway.

Would have been nice to have kept the new A10/A20's together since the A10's are limited to 42 and 50" so the A20's are the extension of the line above that.

I disagree. They are quite different TVs.

Thank you for splitting the A10s to their own thread.

Then he needs to either create yet another "official" thread for the A20's, or have the mods rename his original "official" thread to just the A20's. Right now we have about five different threads pertaining to the A10's with information everywhere. All's this thread did was add to the confusion.

Then he needs to either create yet another "official" thread for the A20's, or have the mods rename his original "official" thread to just the A20's. Right now we have about five different threads pertaining to the A10's with information everywhere. All's this thread did was add to the confusion.

The old threads have a lot of speculation and months of rambling. It's time to start something new in my opinion....

I have notified the mods to modify the original topic to include A20 only.....

Its only a forum guys, its not the end of the world ;)

I also saw a 50A10 in person earlier this week, and posted my first impressions in the gigantic A10/A20 thread. Here's the link to my post - hope you find it helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5918200&&#post5918200

I also saw a 50A10 in person earlier this week, and posted my first impressions in the gigantic A10/A20 thread. Here's the link to my post - hope you find it helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5918200&&#post5918200


Our store's unit arrived, yesterday. I've lowered the price on all competitive products. At it's price point, it is pretty special. Wish it had more HMDI and at least one 1394. But form factor and picture are great. I find the SD (didn't test DVD) from satellite or antenna much better than the other units. HD is great, so is the size and price.

I was just reviewing the manual for the first time. I'm disappointed that there isn't a justify-type stretch mode where the center is left alone and only the edges are stretched. My in-laws have that on their Panasonic and I think that it is the best stretch mode for 4:3 by far.

Would have been nice to have kept the new A10/A20's together since the A10's are limited to 42 and 50" so the A20's are the extension of the line above that.

You are so yesterday. It has been discussed and agreed upon by the powers that be! So, let it go :p ;)

I know..resistance was futile, I was assimilated.

But remember, when people start asking about the 55" inch A10's in here...I told ya so. :p

Are there ANY differences at all between the Sony KDF-E50A10 or KDF-E42A10 models? Anything that might be in one model and NOT in the other. Also, which model do you think would most like have a clear and sharper picture? I would suspect the smaller 42 would, though I may well be wrong. Please answer before 5PM CST Sunday as I need to make a decision between the 42 OR 50" model. Thanks!

This is a repeat post but I have a Mass dealer with a decent price. PM me for details.

Thanks.........

Are there ANY differences at all between the Sony KDF-E50A10 or KDF-E42A10 models? Anything that might be in one model and NOT in the other. Also, which model do you think would most like have a clear and sharper picture? I would suspect the smaller 42 would, though I may well be wrong. Please answer before 5PM CST Sunday as I need to make a decision between the 42 OR 50" model. Thanks!

I don't believe there are any differences except for size. They both use the same bulb. I'm sure the lenses are slightly different since you have to project a 50" screen vs. 42". You are right, the 42" will have the clearer and sharper picture, but really the difference will be minimal and will not be noticeable depending upon how far you are sitting away from the TV.

What are the dimensions of your room?

I know..resistance was futile, I was assimilated.

But remember, when people start asking about the 55" inch A10's in here...I told ya so. :p

Hahaha, hey it wasn't anything personal....just trying to appease the masses, thats all :D

I also saw a 50A10 in person earlier this week, and posted my first impressions in the gigantic A10/A20 thread. Here's the link to my post - hope you find it helpful:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5918200&&#post5918200

That was a great review, thanks for posting the link. It's interesting, the Sony advertising states that the Iris automatically adjusts as necessary depending upon the signal, however the settings in the menu would seem to dictate otherwise.

Does anyone know how the front project VPL-HS51 handles the iris? This is interesting to say the least. Hopefully the setting in the menu system is just how far the iris will open up.

No chance you saw the sticker on the back for a manufacturing date? I'd be curious to see how long Sony has been putting these things together.

Our store's unit arrived, yesterday. I've lowered the price on all competitive products. At it's price point, it is pretty special. Wish it had more HMDI and at least one 1394. But form factor and picture are great. I find the SD (didn't test DVD) from satellite or antenna much better than the other units. HD is great, so is the size and price.

Interesting that the SD content looks much better. I wonder what Sony did to enhance these models? I'm assuming a better scaler?

How is the SDE on the 50" A10? I was looking at the previous model 3LCD 55" model and it's fairly noticeable (especially to my wife). Would it be less noticeable on the 42"?

I think a 50" set would be pushing my luck for the size room I have available. The front projector folks are pretty happy with the advanced iris on the VPL-HS51, so I think this will be a pretty exciting year for LCD rear projection.

Here's a review on the VPL-HS51 with the advanced iris:

http://www.theperfectvision.com/new...tpv61/sony.html

I'll be curious to see what the PC input can do as well for resolution settings and refresh rates. It will be fun to get some games up on the big screen.


What size room do you have and how far will you be sitting? I've gotta decide on the new Sony 42 or 50 inch in the next 24 hours. If possible, please reply asap. Thanks!

Then he needs to either create yet another "official" thread for the A20's, or have the mods rename his original "official" thread to just the A20's. Right now we have about five different threads pertaining to the A10's with information everywhere. All's this thread did was add to the confusion.

This new thread will become the one and only simply because the sets are here now. Totally different discussion now, no more speculation. The fact is this thread will be the one to go to if you are interested in the A10 series. The 42" and 50" are the exact same except for screen size. Much of the upcoming conversation will be the effectivness (or lack thereof) of the Cinema Black Pro feature which is not in the A20's. There will be a discussion on the physical characteristics of the A10 which also will have nothing to do with the A20's. I believe most people by now realize that the A10's only go up to 50", so anyone looking for a bigger screen will not find this thread relevant. Hopefully, people not as familiar with the A10's will read the thorough original post by CFoote stating the specs, this will alleviate posts not relevant to this thread. Basically, this thread becomes a one TV thread only, the A10 series. Wow, i haven't mentioned the word thread this many times since i was a senior in knitting school...LOL.

What size room do you have and how far will you be sitting? I've gotta decide on the new Sony 42 or 50 inch in the next 24 hours. If possible, please reply asap. Thanks!

I have a 16' (width) by 11' (depth) room. My viewing distance is 7 ft from the TV. I think 50" is going to be pushing my luck, but who knows....

kmil, what are the specs of your room?

So I wonder if the A10's are supposed to be replaced by the soon to be released 50" sxrd models? It's funny that most of each models only come in 2 sizes? It really sucks that the A10's are coming in only sizes up to 50". You will have to sacrifice slight picture quality to get the bigger size sets. Hmmmm.....

I know..resistance was futile, I was assimilated.

But remember, when people start asking about the 55" inch A10's in here...I told ya so. :p

If people ask about the A20's, they will be....uh....
well, uh...terminated!!!!!!!!! :eek:

This new thread will become the one and only simply because the sets are here now. Totally different discussion now, no more speculation. The fact is this thread will be the one to go to if you are interested in the A10 series. The 42" and 50" are the exact same except for screen size. Much of the upcoming conversation will be the effectivness (or lack thereof) of the Cinema Black Pro feature which is not in the A20's. There will be a discussion on the physical characteristics of the A10 which also will have nothing to do with the A20's. I believe most people by now realize that the A10's only go up to 50", so anyone looking for a bigger screen will not find this thread relevant. Hopefully, people not as familiar with the A10's will read the thorough original post by CFoote stating the specs, this will alleviate posts not relevant to this thread. Basically, this thread becomes a one TV thread only, the A10 series. Wow, i haven't mentioned the word thread this many times since i was a senior in knitting school...LOL.

Yeah,
But what about the 55" model?
How does all of this affect the 55" model??





;)

I have a 16' (width) by 11' (depth) room. My viewing distance is 7 ft from the TV. I think 50" is going to be pushing my luck, but who knows....

kmil, what are the specs of your room?

Around 15 by 20 feet approximately with us sitting 13 feet from the screen. My main concern was the possibility of seeing SSE or SDE. Also, I'm concerned with the possibility that the picture quality of the 50 will not be as good as the 42, which is to say, perhaps not as crisp/sharp. What do you think?

So I wonder if the A10's are supposed to be replaced by the soon to be released 50" sxrd models? It's funny that most of each models only come in 2 sizes? It really sucks that the A10's are coming in only sizes up to 50". You will have to sacrifice slight picture quality to get the bigger size sets. Hmmmm.....

Nah, SXRD is a totally different technology and will be right along side the Rear PJ LCD models. There are different price points too, for now anyways....

Does anyone have a A10 on pre-order? Someone has to have this thing already! :D

Around 15 by 20 feet approximately with us sitting 13 feet from the screen. My main concern was the possibility of seeing SSE or SDE. Also, I'm concerned with the possibility that the picture quality of the 50 will not be as good as the 42, which is to say, perhaps not as crisp/sharp. What do you think?

At 13 feet from the screen, you'll be hard pressed to notice any Screen Door Effect. As others have mentioned in other posts, you might want to consider a 60" screen from that distance. Have you gone to any stores yet and sat 13 feet away from a 42" screen? It's going to be kind of small!

This new thread will become the one and only simply because the sets are here now. Totally different discussion now, no more speculation. The fact is this thread will be the one to go to if you are interested in the A10 series. The 42" and 50" are the exact same except for screen size. Much of the upcoming conversation will be the effectivness (or lack thereof) of the Cinema Black Pro feature which is not in the A20's. There will be a discussion on the physical characteristics of the A10 which also will have nothing to do with the A20's. I believe most people by now realize that the A10's only go up to 50", so anyone looking for a bigger screen will not find this thread relevant. Hopefully, people not as familiar with the A10's will read the thorough original post by CFoote stating the specs, this will alleviate posts not relevant to this thread. Basically, this thread becomes a one TV thread only, the A10 series. Wow, i haven't mentioned the word thread this many times since i was a senior in knitting school...LOL.

There are knitting schools?

:p

Would any of you buy this tv sight unseen? Im really liking the pricing on this tv and it has all the specs im looking for.. Or should I just wait for the local retailers to get it in stock?

Oh yea one other question... How will this tv perform for say HD football? Any motion blur?

Chris

A10 Series Inputs:

• Input(s): PC Input (D-sub 15) + Audio Input (Stereo Mini) 1 (1 Front 1 / 0 Rear)

I know you copied this right from SonyStyle, but it's some sort of a typo. The manual clearly shows the PC input and its corresponding audio input on the rear of the TV, not the front. Actually, looking at it closer, I have no idea what "(1 Front 1 / 0 Rear)" is supposed to mean; at first I thought it was saying it was in the front. Anyways, I think it should be "(0 Front / 1 Rear)".

Just pointing this out since it's one of my major gripes on some of the Panasonic sets.. they only have it on the front.

It takes a brave man/woman to spend two thousand or more dollars on an item that they have never actually seen/tried. Patience...

I personally will not buy one until I can see one first, and read the opinions of the fine folks here.

Having said all that, I did buy a car once without ever driving a model like it (I did sit in one first). This decision was based on purely on the reputation of Toyota, and the total disregard for car salespeople. I got lucky and still like it 7 years later. YMMV.

I suspect that some buyers of DLP technology buy sets without seeing one first, only to be disappointed that they see rainbows.

Yet another consideration is the example of the Dell 42" TV. I almost bought one, but cancelled when I started seeing reports of problems. It might be prudent to wait until people live with them for a month or two.

My $.02 worth.

I know you copied this right from SonyStyle, but it's some sort of a typo. The manual clearly shows the PC input and its corresponding audio input on the rear of the TV, not the front. Actually, looking at it closer, I have no idea what "(1 Front 1 / 0 Rear)" is supposed to mean; at first I thought it was saying it was in the front. Anyways, I think it should be "(0 Front / 1 Rear)".

Just pointing this out since it's one of my major gripes on some of the Panasonic sets.. they only have it on the front.

I've seen it in person - the PC input is indeed on the back of the set, not the front (or side).

How is the SDE on the 50" A10? I was looking at the previous model 3LCD 55" model and it's fairly noticeable (especially to my wife). Would it be less noticeable on the 42"?

No SDE that I could tell at 10' back of the 50A10. I did notice SSE, but no worse than any other microdisplay - and personally, SSE doesn't really bother my viewing experience much.

notreally -- What store and how special was the price at your store?

Whats SSE stand for?

Chris

Whats SSE stand for?

Chris

Silk Screen Effect...I believe where white areas or very light areas of the picture tend to have a sparkle or glimmering effect to them. I've read on other posts that it's due to the nature of the screen that's in all rear-proj. sets.

It takes a brave man/woman to spend two thousand or more dollars on an item that they have never actually seen/tried. Patience...

I personally will not buy one until I can see one first, and read the opinions of the fine folks here.


I tend to agree, however, in this case we're talking about minor technological improvements to a proven item. I'd be less concerned about dropping a dollar sight-unseen than on something that contains overly new technology.

The addition of the iris is important to most people, but it's just a small electromechanical device that has been used for years in other things (cameras, etc), so it's a proven technology that is being used here for the first time perhaps, but in a fairly basic form.

If the A10's don't hit the stores before 8/3, I'll probably return my 655 and put my 27" back in place until they do. Not because I'm afraid of ordering sight unseen, but rather because I'd rather pick it up and bring it home myself.

My biggest questions related to these sets are:

What's the advertised and measured contrast ratio?

Is there much lag with 480i and 480p sources (think classic game consoles, and lip synch with cable/laserdisc/etc)?

Is there a front 'glare' protective screen?

Any improvements in vertical banding?

What's the response time? I don't want blur with 720 60p (think Xbox 360 and ESPN HD).

Of course, I know it's kind of early to expect answers to these questions. I'd love to see a full ISF analysis on these sets out of the box.

I know you copied this right from SonyStyle, but it's some sort of a typo. The manual clearly shows the PC input and its corresponding audio input on the rear of the TV, not the front. Actually, looking at it closer, I have no idea what "(1 Front 1 / 0 Rear)" is supposed to mean; at first I thought it was saying it was in the front. Anyways, I think it should be "(0 Front / 1 Rear)".

Just pointing this out since it's one of my major gripes on some of the Panasonic sets.. they only have it on the front.

Thanks for the info, I'll go ahead and update.

I suspect that some buyers of DLP technology buy sets without seeing one first, only to be disappointed that they see rainbows.

Yet another consideration is the example of the Dell 42" TV. I almost bought one, but cancelled when I started seeing reports of problems. It might be prudent to wait until people live with them for a month or two.

My $.02 worth.

I agree, this is a pricey purchase (for me anyways). I'll be interested to see what the initial owners have to say and what others think about it once it hits the stores. I think things will become a lot more lively once they hit the major chains, which would be very soon.

DLP is out for me because I can see rainbows :(

What's the advertised and measured contrast ratio?As of yet their is no advertised CR but for measured CR I would predict they will have around 2000 to 2500 on/off CR. This is based on the measured contrast ratio of the HS51. Also the highest measured on/off CR I have ever heard for a fixed pixel display was 4200 and that was for a $10,000+ front projector DLP. For most RP LCDs the measured on/off CR is only around 800 so reaching 2000 would be quite an accomplishment for a RP LCD.


My main question about the A10's is whether or not they can accept 1:1 pixel mapping over the HDMI/VGA inputs. That is because I would use the HDMI input for the PS3 and the VGA input for the X-box 360. Consoles, and computers, always do best with 1:1 pixel mapping so those two questions would heavily affect my decision to buy one of the A10's. I wouldn't even mind having to mess around in the service menu as long as their was some way to get 1:1 pixel mapping for those inputs.

Does anyone know yet how the sound of the new Sony 3LCD 50" compares to the 50" Sammy DLP. I use the TV speakers only and consider my HLN437W sound to be a very high quality......not tinny with sufficient bass to sound "full". Any comments and comparisions to the sound quality would be appreciated. I intend to get the Sony KDF-E50A10 as soon as I can sell my DLP.

I am also interested in the sound quality since I don't use my surround sound system for most of my tv watching. My 4-yr old Proscan has an external speaker connection to which I have fairly large 3-way speakers(w/10-in woofer) attached. The tv's amp handles them well with full bass. I wish more manufacturers added this simple connection on their sets. If only I knew of an easy way to get into the A10 and bypass the internal speakers.... I'm somewhat concerned the sound won't be at all great on these new sets.

My main question about the A10's is whether or not they can accept 1:1 pixel mapping over the HDMI/VGA inputs.

The owner's manual says the closest thing is 1280x768 over the 'PC Input', so that's a little troublesome.

I'll use a component input for the Xbox 360 if I have to.

As far as buying one sight-unseen is concerned, here's a couple of anecdotes that are making me seriously consider (pre)ordering one:

I was at a home theater store yesterday (Barrett's) and asked if they had the 50A10 in stock. They didn't - they're supposed to get them in on Aug 12 - and then I asked about the 42A10 and we talked about some things and to make a long story short he actually suggested that I order the 42 on the Sony site since he said the Sonystyle price for the 42 was pretty much their cost and that he's seen this in the past with Sony where once the unit hits the shelves they pop up to MSRP. So, that got me thinking. Afterall, why would the salesman suggest I go and buy it elsewhere?

Then, I spent some time looking at the 42WE655 (the "42A10 predecessor") and the 55A20 (which at least shares the new Wega stuff as the A10) and these sets looked great. And, I noticed a better picture on the A20 than the 55whatever655predecessor model next to it.

So, the way I see it is that Sony knows what they are doing when it comes to these LCD rear projector sets. The outgoing 42 looks great so I would only expect greater things from the 42A10 plus comparing the 55A20 to the outgoing 55 model indicates that Sony has indeed improved things even without the dynamic iris. Throw in the salesman's statement about pricing and throw in the fact that I have a Sonystyle store within 30 minutes of home making it relatively easy to return the unit if it turns out to be a dud, and I'm seriously considering preordering one of these puppies.

Can anyone talk me out of it? Seriously, please try - I might learn something.

Thanks,


Mitch

I believe the MSRP on the new A10's is $1999 and $2499. I don't see why SonyStyle would increase the price later on unless they raise the MSRP across the board.

A month ago, the press releases said something like $2399 and $2899 respectively. It was kind of a pleasant surprise when they showed up on SonyStyle for $400 less. But that's why some are speculating that the price will go up in a few weeks or we're seeing some sort of introductory pricing.

That would be very interesting, but I'm not sure I could see Sony doing such a thing. Usually you see smaller business publishing 'introductory' pricing but not such a huge company like Sony. Interesting, does anyone remember when the WF's came out if the website price went up?

Chris

Just ordered mine 50" A10 today. Should have it on Saturday. I could of got it on Tuesday but I am moving at the end of the week and don't really want to move it all over the place. I will post a review and some pictures as soon as I get it.

Heard through a trusted source, 1 of the B&M retailers show dates of about 3weeks into August for the 50 A10.

Was at bb yesterday, the 50a10 is in their system for approx 8/21-8/24. Sound advice (tweeters) has a date of approx 8/11 in so.fla. CC had no approx date.

I highly doubt Sony will increase its price on the website "after" they are widely released. The goal with these sets is to sell as many as possible. That's why they are so competitely priced to begin with. Anyway, dealer cost is closer $1800 for the 50 A10.

notreally -- What store and how special was the price at your store?

As a retailer, it isn't considered ethical, by site rule to list prices. Our store is in Toto land. Thanks for asking

As far as buying one sight-unseen is concerned, here's a couple of anecdotes that are making me seriously consider (pre)ordering one:

I was at a home theater store yesterday (Barrett's) and asked if they had the 50A10 in stock. They didn't - they're supposed to get them in on Aug 12 - and then I asked about the 42A10 and we talked about some things and to make a long story short he actually suggested that I order the 42 on the Sony site since he said the Sonystyle price for the 42 was pretty much their cost and that he's seen this in the past with Sony where once the unit hits the shelves they pop up to MSRP. So, that got me thinking. Afterall, why would the salesman suggest I go and buy it elsewhere?

Then, I spent some time looking at the 42WE655 (the "42A10 predecessor") and the 55A20 (which at least shares the new Wega stuff as the A10) and these sets looked great. And, I noticed a better picture on the A20 than the 55whatever655predecessor model next to it.

So, the way I see it is that Sony knows what they are doing when it comes to these LCD rear projector sets. The outgoing 42 looks great so I would only expect greater things from the 42A10 plus comparing the 55A20 to the outgoing 55 model indicates that Sony has indeed improved things even without the dynamic iris. Throw in the salesman's statement about pricing and throw in the fact that I have a Sonystyle store within 30 minutes of home making it relatively easy to return the unit if it turns out to be a dud, and I'm seriously considering preordering one of these puppies.

Can anyone talk me out of it? Seriously, please try - I might learn something.

Thanks,


Mitch
The store's buyer shoul have been able to verify the new price with his Sony rep.

I highly doubt Sony will increase its price on the website "after" they are widely released. The goal with these sets is to sell as many as possible. That's why they are so competitely priced to begin with. Anyway, dealer cost is closer $1800 for the 50 A10.


Interesting. I wonder if the sales guy was looking at his cost for the 50A10 and comparing that to the cost of the 42A10 on SonyStyle. Hmmm. In fact, that's probably what was going on.

OK. I think I'm going to sit tight and wait as long as possible and see what happens.


Mitch

Can anybody give me base dimensions of the E50A10 please. Also distance between rubber (or whatever) feet if present on the base.

Thanks

Can anybody give me base dimensions of the E50A10 please. Also distance between rubber (or whatever) feet if present on the base.

Thanks

I'm also interested in these measurements. I want to build a stand and would like to know how big the TV is exactly.

According to SonyStyle, the set is: 46 5/8"×32 5/8"×16 1/8"

And the stand is: 42 7/8" x 28" x 19 7/8"

The TV on the stand will be over 60" high? Somebody please tell me this is not right. This is too tall for a 50" set IMO!

Need the base dimensions as my existing stand is exactly 42" wide.

Thank you somebody.

Me too, I need the dimensions of the footprint of the pedistal on the bottom of the TV, not the overall dimensions - those are easy to find anyways.

Michael, the 28" tall is a typo. If you look in the PDF for the stand, the real hight is something like 20 5/8".

If you look at the pictures on "Crutchfield.com" you'll clearly see that the front face plates are kind of light to medium GRAY and NOT BLACK as I seem to have seen them on other sites. Yesterday afternoon I saw what I was told was the new 60 inch "A20" and it was much darker.......like a "charcoal" and not a deep black. I hope they are at least a "charcoal" color and not light grey.

What color do you think/know the front of the A10's is?

If you look at the pictures on "Crutchfield.com" you'll clearly see that the front face plates are kind of light to medium GRAY and NOT BLACK as I seem to have seen them on other sites. Yesterday afternoon I saw what I was told was the new 60 inch "A20" and it was much darker.......like a "charcoal" and not a deep black. I hope they are at least a "charcoal" color and not light grey.

What color do you think/know the front of the A10's is?
I don't have any particular information about the A10's, but I do know the picture for the XS models on Crutchfield are very misleading. The bezel on the XS is actually much darker (essentially black) in real life than in the Crutchfield photo, which makes it look light grey. I don't know if it was just the lighting during the photo shoot or what, but the color is completely different in reality.

-Terry

Need the base dimensions as my existing stand is exactly 42" wide.

Thank you somebody.

The base is the same width as the set on front dimension and about 30" wide rear. The set is just over 14" front to back

If you look at the pictures on "Crutchfield.com" you'll clearly see that the front face plates are kind of light to medium GRAY and NOT BLACK as I seem to have seen them on other sites. Yesterday afternoon I saw what I was told was the new 60 inch "A20" and it was much darker.......like a "charcoal" and not a deep black. I hope they are at least a "charcoal" color and not light grey.

What color do you think/know the front of the A10's is?

The picture trim is not black, but charcoal. If you's seen a JVC DILA, just a little lighter charcoal than the frame on the JVC

tweeter expects 50a10 - 42a10 150 sets each!

Michael, the 28" tall is a typo. If you look in the PDF for the stand, the real hight is something like 20 5/8".

Whew, I was a little concerned there.

I'm certainly interested in any third-party stand suggestions as well.

went to CC yesterday, they have the 42 and 50 in in their computer system already. The sales person at the store showed me it in their system and said that they would be expecting 4 of them, and he said in his opinion probably sometime by the end of this week or early next week. Does anyone know what do you think they will offer the 42in and 50in for?

The base is the same width as the set on front dimension and about 30" wide rear. The set is just over 14" front to back
You sure about that?
http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/650x650/KDFE50A10.jpg
This picture clearly shows a base or pedistal that is not the same witdth as the overall front dimension.

TV is 46 5/8" wide. That said if I scale this pic base should be about 39". In any event pretty sure it's < 42"

You sure about that?
http://www.sonystyle.com/intershoproot/eCS/Store/en/imagesProducts/650x650/KDFE50A10.jpg
This picture clearly shows a base or pedistal that is not the same witdth as the overall front dimension.

You're right. I measured that with a tape this morning. The base is so unobtrusive, I completely missed it, until I saw your post. The width of the footprint is 33" The color frame is darker than the picture (probably reflection of bright light on the flat charcoal surfice. :D

You're right. I measured that with a tape this morning. The base is so unobtrusive, I completely missed it, until I saw your post. The width of the footprint is 33" The color frame is darker than the picture (probably reflection of bright light on the flat charcoal surfice. :D
Thanks :D

looks great

Now it just needs to get here!!

I stopped by Ultimate Electronics again and asked when they were going to get the 50a10 in. They still said that their warehouse in Colorado should get them tomorrow and they could have one as early as Friday.

However, I asked about the price and they said that it was $2799 instead of the $2499 posted on the Sony website. Could they be raising the price after they hit the stores??????

Hello all,
I think I may have a problem. My center channel sits on a stand and is 37" tall. Does anyone think I'll have trouble sitting the A10 on a table starting at 35"? I'm mainly concerned with viewing angle and am worried there will be dimming at the top of the screen from sitting the TV so high.

Hello all,
I think I may have a problem. My center channel sits on a stand and is 37" tall. Does anyone think I'll have trouble sitting the A10 on a table starting at 35"? I'm mainly concerned with viewing angle and am worried there will be dimming at the top of the screen from sitting the TV so high.


To me that seems to be to high but I guess if you were far enough back and couldn't you just prop the rear up a bit to angle the screen down slightly.

At ebay...........

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5792539688&category=61408&ssPageName=WDVW&rd=1

edit: do a search = E50A10

The Sony LCD Projection sets have never suffered from any real motion blur. I'm sure in a statistical way it's there but in general when you're looking at an LCD Projection set you won't notice motion blur like you would on an flat panel LCD Projection.

However, I asked about the price and they said that it was $2799 instead of the $2499 posted on the Sony website. Could they be raising the price after they hit the stores??????

I don't think Sony or anyone else is raising the price. I always have thought that UE was more expensive than other retailers. Thier sale prices are usually higher than most stores regular prices IMO.

I stopped by Ultimate Electronics again and asked when they were going to get the 50a10 in. They still said that their warehouse in Colorado should get them tomorrow and they could have one as early as Friday.

However, I asked about the price and they said that it was $2799 instead of the $2499 posted on the Sony website. Could they be raising the price after they hit the stores??????

I just checked out my local CC in Wisconsin, and they said the same thing about the price being $2799 when they get them. :confused:

I just checked out my local CC in Wisconsin, and they said the same thing about the price being $2799 when they get them. :confused:

Just called our local SEARS.........Price: "Priceless" at $2,499!!!

yeah but CC was probably offer them at a discount once they come in. Kucher, did they say when they would be receiving them in the stores or when you can order them off their website

UE usually always discount by 10%.


AkaStp is right about UE. I checked again and they said that they will be 10% off the price of $2799 when they get them.

Like I said before, the Sony press release from about a month ago said $2799 and $2299 MSRP for the KDF-E50A10 and KDF-E42A10 respectively. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they're priced less at SonyStyle right now, but you shouldn't be surprised to see prices like these.

read the last paragraph
http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5980

yeah but CC was probably offer them at a discount once they come in. Kucher, did they say when they would be receiving them in the stores or when you can order them off their website

The sales guy said they should be getting them in the next week or two.

Tweeter in Oak Brook, IL says their warehouse is scheduled to receive them on Aug 12, and that the store would have it a few days later (he estimated Aug 15). The price will be $1999, same as SonyStyle.

ghostee for the 50" ???? I think U mean the 42".

I know the 50" is 46 4/8 across.Does anyone know how far that 46 5/8 extends back?I was wondering if it would fit in my 45 3/4 w entertainment center.I have the depth and i guess it could stick out a couple of inches frontways and 3/4" on the side.Also,on the Iris feature,as i understand it is someting that you have to manually set it is not the dynamic iris i've heard about on their front screen projector.Is this correct? Thanks.

Hello all,
I think I may have a problem. My center channel sits on a stand and is 37" tall. Does anyone think I'll have trouble sitting the A10 on a table starting at 35"? I'm mainly concerned with viewing angle and am worried there will be dimming at the top of the screen from sitting the TV so high.


That's probably about 10" too high (or more). These TVs generally have a pretty narrow viewing angle (vertical). You'll see the image above and below the optimal level, but the TV won't look its best. You generally don't see dimming at the top, but rather a diminished look across the entire image.

Just wanted people to know Sears has the A10 50" available for immediate delivery. My store just got in their floor display today. I took the top off the box and pluged t in but didn't put it on display because we still have the old model in stock. The picture is amazing and in my opinion much better then last years model. Blacks are much better and the adjustable iris definately helps with that. I only had it on for about 10 minutes but if you were on the fence thinking about it I say go for it. Mine is being delivered on Saturday and I picked up my sony stand today. I could of had the TV delivered today but I am moving on Friday so I wanted it to go right to my new apartement. So if you need the TV ASAP then go to Sears, it is available in the NorthEast.

Snake where specifically are you in the northeast? MA, CT, RI, NH, ME, VT....?

I don't think Sony or anyone else is raising the price. I always have thought that UE was more expensive than other retailers. Thier sale prices are usually higher than most stores regular prices IMO.

2799 was the correct price. Sony lowered the prices to 2499, before the units shipped. Some retailers are not aware of it and still have a higher price in their systems.

I know the 50" is 46 4/8 across.Does anyone know how far that 46 5/8 extends back?I was wondering if it would fit in my 45 3/4 w entertainment center.I have the depth and i guess it could stick out a couple of inches frontways and 3/4" on the side.Also,on the Iris feature,as i understand it is someting that you have to manually set it is not the dynamic iris i've heard about on their front screen projector.Is this correct? Thanks.

The bezel is about 2" (2 1/2" if you add the bottom lip that curves in front of the screen). That receeds 3/4" on each side, before the taper to the rear.

Also,on the Iris feature,as i understand it is someting that you have to manually set it is not the dynamic iris i've heard about on their front screen projector.Is this correct? Thanks.The iris in the A10's is a dynamic iris similar to the one that is in the HS51 front projector. This should give the A10's a much higher on/off CR than any previous RP LCD.

Just wanted people to know Sears has the A10 50" available for immediate delivery. My store just got in their floor display today. I took the top off the box and pluged t in but didn't put it on display because we still have the old model in stock. The picture is amazing and in my opinion much better then last years model. Blacks are much better and the adjustable iris definately helps with that. I only had it on for about 10 minutes but if you were on the fence thinking about it I say go for it. Mine is being delivered on Saturday and I picked up my sony stand today. I could of had the TV delivered today but I am moving on Friday so I wanted it to go right to my new apartement. So if you need the TV ASAP then go to Sears, it is available in the NorthEast.


Can you tell me the Sears part #

Just wanted people to know Sears has the A10 50" available for immediate delivery. My store just got in their floor display today....So if you need the TV ASAP then go to Sears, it is available in the NorthEast.

Any idea why I can't access it on the website if it's available in the stores?

Any idea why I can't access it on the website if it's available in the stores?

I believe its not on the website because they are still trying to clear out the old inventory (the old 50").
At my local Sears yesterday the guy said he had a 50A10 in the back but they weren't going to put it out on the floor until they cleared out the old 50."
However, he could order one for me and I would have it by tomorrow. :eek:

I wasn't ready to pull the trigger - I'm still debating between the 42 and 50.


Mitch

I just got back from Sears here in Kingston MA and no A10's. They did have the 60A20 that looked really nice. Didn't play with; just walked by.

42" from Sony Style shipping 8/3.


Now I just have to place the order! :D

I wasn't ready to pull the trigger - I'm still debating between the 42 and 50.
Mitch

That's part of my hesitation....my viewing distance is 7.5-8 feet. I've got a 38" direct view now and want something bigger...something that gets me into the action more, but I'm concerned about SDE with the 50 inch at that distance. Sony recommends about about 6.5 ft (I think) for the 50 in. There are so many different views on this it's hard to tell. In the stores, 50 inch doesn't seem too bad at 7-8 ft., but it's not optimal in a store for judging.

That's part of my hesitation....my viewing distance is 7.5-8 feet. I've got a 38" direct view now and want something bigger...something that gets me into the action more, but I'm concerned about SDE with the 50 inch at that distance. Sony recommends about about 6.5 ft (I think) for the 50 in. There are so many different views on this it's hard to tell. In the stores, 50 inch doesn't seem too bad at 7-8 ft., but it's not optimal in a store for judging.
I have the same viewing distance as you, and I've got the same debate going on in my head. I will need to see the 50" on display before I buy it, since I notice SDE very easily. The question will be: how noticeable is it from 8 ft. The 6.5ft that sony specs is their minimum recommended viewing distance. I'm hoping SDE/SSE won't be too noticeable from beyond that distance.

My viewing distance is about 9' which apparently means I'm supposed to get a 50" TV. But, I have 32" 4:3 TV that seems to be big enough, :), and a 42" HDTV is pretty much a match in terms of screen size (in SD mode, for example). But, it might be nice to upgrade to a 50" (which is about the same as a 40" 4:3 in SD mode). A 50" set is alot of hardware in my relatively small family room - plus its a few more dollars.

I'm pretty sure I'm going to go with the 50. But, I will buy it locally so I can return/exchange it for the 42" if I end up thinking it really is too big for the room.

As far as SDE is concerned, I spent a good amount of time over the past few days looking at the older generation 50" and the 55A20 and 60A20, Even at pretty close viewing distances (4 feet or so), I thought the picture looked great and didn't really notice an SDE unless I really looked for it and even then I only really seemed to see it mostly in large monochromatic swaths of screen. (And, I do mean SDE and not SSE - which I do notice in some scenes [brighter ones] but it really doesn't bother me.)


Mitch

maybe this has already been asked but does anyone have a guess to the width of the 42" at the back of the tv? I have an entertainment center in the corner of the room (original homeowner built it) and I'm extremely limited by the width of the tv.

I think the A10 42" is my best option, but if it won't fit I have to go with LCD or Plasma.

Just got back from my local Sears where I spent 1 1/2 hrs going over the new 50" Sony A10. It was set up next to the Sony 42" Current model, I believe its the WE655 whatever. Anyways.............WOW what a picture! Get this it should, if you can believe this, be even better at home. Reason: Sears has all their sets on a loop feed set at 1080i so it stands to reason 720p will look even better. We set the menus up to my personal taste to have a complete list of settings for both audio and video. The set was looking very good right out of the box, but you know how it goes........like salt and pepper, it depends on your personal taste. Folks, I'm not only excited........I'm PUMPED! On Aug 14, Sears will have their "Friends and Family Night (day)".....where most, if not all things in the store will be 10% off. Its even possible that set may be on sale that day so that its 2499 now, and say they sell it for 2399; that means the 10% off will be at the 2399 price point. BTW, I should also add that the picture of the new 50" set is a noticeable improvement over the current 42" despite the slightly larger screen. Oh, one more thing the SOUND.......I'm disappointed that it doesn't at least match the quality (as to "fullness") of my Samsung HLN437w. Come on SONY you guys could have done better. The Sound of the 50" A10 leaves more that a bit to be desired. Sound is very important to me as it is a major component of the "Audio/Visual" experience.

Folks, it doesn't get any better (outside of a free TV)! Now if someone will just buy my Sammy HLN437W!

See it for $2144.99 shipped from authorized dealers. PM me if you want to know.

does anyone know when CC will get the a10 in their stores.

Kmil....what is this "Friends and Family Night" on Aug. 14? Is it just locally or at all Sears? Only for employees? I guess I have to get on the phone and try to get some info on when this set will be available in this area. I went through something similar 5 years ago when I tried to get RCA's 38-inch directview crt-HDTV. Back then, I was lucky if I could find sales people who even knew of the term HDTV!

Kmil....what is this "Friends and Family Night" on Aug. 14? Is it just locally or at all Sears? Only for employees? I guess I have to get on the phone and try to get some info on when this set will be available in this area. I went through something similar 5 years ago when I tried to get RCA's 38-inch directview crt-HDTV. Back then, I was lucky if I could find sales people who even knew of the term HDTV!


I just checked with Sears and the August 14 Friends and Family is for ANYONE!

Sony Canada said they are not getting the set till Sept 1st.

8/14 is a tax free day in MA. If sears has a deal that is the day to buy!!!!!

I noticed in Sears this morning that all their HD sets are run off of a loop that runs at 1080i.........therefore when you get to the proper menu you'll notice that the screen menu does indeed show the setting as: 1080i.....my question is since the set itself is a 720P set would 720P automatically show up in the menu setting .......... OR, do you have to SET it to 720? If so, how would you do that. Is there a place in the menu settings to change settings, say to......720P ?

Since the TV is a display device and not an output device, wouldn't it automatically change to accomodate the best display properties dependent upon what is being input to it?

Oh, one more thing the SOUND.......I'm disappointed that it doesn't at least match the quality (as to "fullness") of my Samsung HLN437w. Come on SONY you guys could have done better. The Sound of the 50" A10 leaves more that a bit to be desired. Sound is very important to me as it is a major component of the "Audio/Visual" experience.
That's because Sony went and put the speakers on the bottom. But really, I don't care... that's why I have things like a 1000W 6.1 channel home theater system.

I noticed in Sears this morning that all their HD sets are run off of a loop that runs at 1080i.........therefore when you get to the proper menu you'll notice that the screen menu does indeed show the setting as: 1080i.....my question is since the set itself is a 720P set would 720P automatically show up in the menu setting .......... OR, do you have to SET it to 720? If so, how would you do that. Is there a place in the menu settings to change settings, say to......720P ?
It will tell you what resolution the feed is, 1080i, 480i/p, etc. But since it's a 720p display, it will always display in 720p. Any feed other than 720p will be converted in some way, shape, or form to fit the TV's 1280x720 pixels. You don't have to worry about setting anything, but a 720p feed will look the best since there is no extra conversion.

<snip>
The Sound of the 50" A10 leaves more that a bit to be desired. Sound is very important to me as it is a major component of the "Audio/Visual" experience.

Folks, it doesn't get any better (outside of a free TV)! Now if someone will just buy my Sammy HLN437W!

Thanks for the heads up on the friends and family thing. 10% off will more than offset the taxes I could have saved by buying from an E-tailer. Plus, Sears carries the Silver Sensor HDTV indoor antenna that I plan on using for free HDTV broadcasts - we don't need no stinking cable. :)

As far as sound is concerned, I have two words for you: "Home Theater." :)
You really should get a 5.1 system (or 6.1 or 7.1). I would assert even a cheapo home theater in a box would be worthwhile. But, I would suggest dropping a few more dollars and doing it right (well, at least right-ish).
Avsforum and the hometheaterforum offer great insight into the audio part of the experience.


Mitch

My store is the Sears Essential's in Londonderry NH. The Sears stock number for the 50" is 54635 and the 42" is 54625. I put the 50" on display today right next to Last years Sony 50" and this years 46" Samsung HLR. The new A10 blows the other two away in my opinion. I can't wait to get mine on Saturday. It is true delivery time to get the TV is about 1-2 days in my area. Sears also sells the matching stand to the 50" but as of right now the 42" stand isn't in the system. I am so glad to be beating BB and CC to the punch with getting this TV quicker then them.

My store is the Sears Essential's in Londonderry NH. The Sears stock number for the 50" is 54635 and the 42" is 54625. I put the 50" on display today right next to Last years Sony 50" and this years 46" Samsung HLR. The new A10 blows the other two away in my opinion. I can't wait to get mine on Saturday. It is true delivery time to get the TV is about 1-2 days in my area. Sears also sells the matching stand to the 50" but as of right now the 42" stand isn't in the system. I am so glad to be beating BB and CC to the punch with getting this TV quicker then them.

How much was the 42" model listed at Sears? I could not find this part number at the Sears website.

2799 was the correct price. Sony lowered the prices to 2499, before the units shipped. Some retailers are not aware of it and still have a higher price in their systems.I know this thread is for the A10's but the BB in Columbus, OH (Easton area) has the 55A20 on display listed at $2,799 and shows the 50A10's in the system for $2,499, though none guaranteed to be in stock until 8/14 (!!!) They had the 50WE655 at $2,499...I think, though it might have been $2,199.

They claim they had to clear the 655's out before they would get the A10's in.

thinksnow, I know that they are in the system, when does CC expect to receive them in the stores. Did you talk to someone there. What did they say?

ghostee for the 50" ???? I think U mean the 42".

Yes, sorry, I was referring to the 42".

I think I need to go visit my local Sears store.

thinksnow, I know that they are in the system, when does CC expect to receive them in the stores. Did you talk to someone there. What did they say?No idea, I only dropped by the BB to browse and see if they happened to have on in stock. I spoke to guys at BB, but haven't been to a CC in ages. The BB guy said they wouldn't have the A10's in until they cleared out the 655's. I suspect that's the case, unless the preasure of other stores selling the A10's before them prompts something else (if that happens, expect the 655's prices to drop through the floor).

I went to CC and they have the A10's in their internal system. But I forgot to ask how much they were going to sell them for and when they would be in the store for retail. Maybe the next time someone is near CC, they can find out this important info because we are all impatient :)

The A10's are not on Sears website but they are in the computer system at Sears and are available for immediate delivery. The 42" is listed at $1999.99 and the 50" is $2499.99. Not sure if all Sears have their floor model yet but my store does.

Catching up on some missed posts and it's great to read that the sets are becoming more available, but disappointing to read that the sound leaves so much to be desired. I expected as much when I saw Sony's new design. I know a home theater will compensate (I have one), but it shouldn't be required for all tv viewing and one should have other options. Sound contributes a great deal to the viewing experience...I can't believe Sony went backwards in this area. It's not a deal breaker, but disappointing; especially in a high-priced set such as this one.

I'm going to wait a little. I wouldn't be surprised to see this set at $200 - $300 less than what it is now in a couple of months when sales and LCD prices continue to fall. They are going to get MSRP or close to MSRP for most of the early adopters here.. and then for price conscience consumers like me, they will have "sale" prices to get the TV sold.

When Dell 19" Digital LCD's are $212... you know price drops are coming.

Yummy. Thanks for the tip on F&F @ Sears. And it is a tax free day for MA. :) Big savings for me.

My store is the Sears Essential's in Londonderry NH. The Sears stock number for the 50" is 54635 and the 42" is 54625. I put the 50" on display today right next to Last years Sony 50" and this years 46" Samsung HLR. The new A10 blows the other two away in my opinion. I can't wait to get mine on Saturday. It is true delivery time to get the TV is about 1-2 days in my area. Sears also sells the matching stand to the 50" but as of right now the 42" stand isn't in the system. I am so glad to be beating BB and CC to the punch with getting this TV quicker then them.


Is the 42" in stock?

What is the size of the box? I would like to know what sort of vehicle I would need to cart this thing home. I live in CT and might just zip up to MA to take advantage of the tax free day on 8/14 if I can get the KDF-E50A10 home.

Has anyone had the chance to see the 42 and 50 together? Does the 50 look darker than the 42? I also called my local sears yesterday, and they could have had it here by Friday, but I need to wait until the 14th. :D

The size of the box should be very important to every one in New England... so if you Sears people could measure one before Tax-free day in MA (august 14), that'd be great!!!

I'm going nextdoor to Sears in Braintree MA at lunch to see if the 50" is on the floor. If I can get box dimensions I will.

so, snake, have any thought about "friends and family" day at Sears? Is it for real?

The 42" are now "Add to cart" at SonyStyle.com.

The big question I have about these sets is the resolution and if it's visually noticable that it's lower than last year's model?


I've noticed that the pixels are very visible on some of the competitions's LCD Projection sets and i'm hoping this new Sony doesn't fall prey to that problem as well.

Just got back from my local Sears where I spent 1 1/2 hrs going over the new 50" Sony A10. It was set up next to the Sony 42" Current model, I believe its the WE655 whatever. Anyways.............WOW what a picture! Get this it should, if you can believe this, be even better at home. Reason: Sears has all their sets on a loop feed set at 1080i so it stands to reason 720p will look even better. We set the menus up to my personal taste to have a complete list of settings for both audio and video. The set was looking very good right out of the box, but you know how it goes........like salt and pepper, it depends on your personal taste. Folks, I'm not only excited........I'm PUMPED! On Aug 14, Sears will have their "Friends and Family Night (day)".....where most, if not all things in the store will be 10% off. Its even possible that set may be on sale that day so that its 2499 now, and say they sell it for 2399; that means the 10% off will be at the 2399 price point. BTW, I should also add that the picture of the new 50" set is a noticeable improvement over the current 42" despite the slightly larger screen. Oh, one more thing the SOUND.......I'm disappointed that it doesn't at least match the quality (as to "fullness") of my Samsung HLN437w. Come on SONY you guys could have done better. The Sound of the 50" A10 leaves more that a bit to be desired. Sound is very important to me as it is a major component of the "Audio/Visual" experience.

Folks, it doesn't get any better (outside of a free TV)! Now if someone will just buy my Sammy HLN437W!

I currently own the KDF42WE610 GWIV television. Had to buy the 42 inch, because the 50 was too wide for my Entertainment Center. TV has had no problems in almost a year...BUT I really would like the 50 inch screen now that the new A10's will fit. My only reservation with the current TV is the mediocre rendering of night and dark scenes. I am VERY interested in hearing how much improved the dark scenes, and shadow details are on these new models. If they can match DLP in that area, I will be trading up SOON. Any opinions regarding the picture quality improvements vs the GWIV will be greatly appreciated!!

The big question I have about these sets is the resolution and if it's visually noticable that it's lower than last year's model?


I've noticed that the pixels are very visible on some of the competitions's LCD Projection sets and i'm hoping this new Sony doesn't fall prey to that problem as well.

Not to worry, see my post from yesterday. Sears had "old" 42 inch WE655 next to new A10 Sony 50inch set. Noticeable improvement clearer and sharper without question. No pixels stood out. This set is a no brainer. Sony and Sears ought to have me on commission for enthusiastic endorsements.
One complaint.............SOUND......the Sony engineers appear to have been asleep at the switch when they made the sound system. IMHO, the WE655 was better; "better" meaning a more full and solid sound such as found on my Samsung HLN437W (which is for sale, contact me if interested). I'm getting the new Sony KDF-E50A10 as soon as I sell my set, which is in excellent condition.

The big question I have about these sets is the resolution and if it's visually noticable that it's lower than last year's model?


Past Sony LCD-Projection panels were an abnormal (for HDTV) resolution. Therefore EVERY signal needed to be rescaled. The new resolution matches the 720p resolution of HD, therefore 720p will not be rescaled on this TV, and that right there should led to a better picture. 1080 signals will get sized down to match the 720.

Question about Sears... is it only the 50 that's in-stock? I'm looking for a 42 before my baby arrives (August 15th due-date). I'd like at least a little time with the TV before my attention is taking elsewhere. But I want it for those 3am feedings!!! :)

I just got back from Sears in Braintree MA. Nothing there.

Sears in Kingston MA yesterday. Same thing; nothing.

Family and friends night is August 14th and is open to the public. You will get 10% off regular and sale prices. I didn't wait cause I had a coupon which I got 10% off anyways so it is the same deal.

Last I checked the 42" was available but I didn't have any in stock. I didn't have the 50" in stock either but I do have my floor model displayed and I know for a fact the delivery time for the 50" is 1-2 days.

Can an owner possibly post a pic????

I just called Sears here in Illinois. I called a very big store located in Woodfield mall. They don't have a floor model but they are able to order the tv now. They told me they could deliver it by Monday if I wanted it. :)


All the Sears stores around me seem incredibly slow about getting new models on the floor though.

Just got back from my local BB and CC's.

BB had both in their system for special order to be delivered 8/16. Nothing in the channels on either the 42" or the 50".

CC was a different story...salesman was extremely helpful and worked the system to find out that they do have the 50" in their main warehouse and available to order if the store manager agrees to it. They had no stock in the main warehouse on the 42" at this time. Word of caution: they have the old prices in the system...$2400 for the 42" and $2800 for the 50", so be sure to let them know that Sony dropped the prices on them.

Unless the wife talks me out of it, I'll be taking my 42" 655 back tonight so we can get the 50" on tomorrows truck to be here on Saturday.

The 42" are not "Add to cart" at SonyStyle.com.
I believe you mean "now". Big difference. ;)

Whoops! lol

I know a number of people now have the KDF-E50A10 home and set up. Unfortunately, most of them are still posting in the "Sony launches new native 720p... " mega-thread. What I want to know is has anyone hooked up their PC yet? Does the VGA input accept 720p? If not, can you do 720p via DVI->HDMI from your PC?

Probably to be expected when you bury the speakers inside the TV and have the sound emerging form a narrow slot below the screen! Personally I would have preferred visible speakers behind a grill mounted below the screen, not hidden inside. Such as like on the new Mits RP-LCD and the Samsung DLPs.


IMHO, Sony should've/could've made the width of the speaker slot another one inch deeper. I think (tho I'm not an engineer) made the sound much better.

lander215, how was the 50a10 listed in the CC system. I am in NYC, where is the warehouse that you are talking about located in.

What should I say to the salesperson. I am supposed to have a switch done this saturday on my HL-R4667 for another one because of circuitry problems, but would rather go with the sony instead. How do I do this because when I talked to a salesperson last week that had a hard time finding it in their system. When they did find it, the price was wrong. How was the model number listed. I would like to order it tonight so I can possible get it on saturday instead of the new HL-R4667 coming on saturday.

sony now says add 2 cart,on there web site.
2 me that means we will be seeing the 50a10 - 42a10 every where mid aug.
perfect for football season. i will have my tv for opening night.
pats vs. raiders ! GO Pats!!!
sept.8 !!! :)

I am in the same boat- please post if you find out.

I just ordered 50" from my mom and pop appliance dealer. Will know availability later today but won't take delivery till no tax Saturday 8/13.

Sox, Pats, Bruins, NASCAR, NCAA will be looking good.

I have Direct w/Sony HD-100 and OTA antenna for Boston/Providence locals.

Not to worry, see my post from yesterday. Sears had "old" 42 inch WE655 next to new A10 Sony 50inch set. Noticeable improvement clearer and sharper without question. No pixels stood out. This set is a no brainer. Sony and Sears ought to have me on commission for enthusiastic endorsements.
One complaint.............SOUND......the Sony engineers appear to have been asleep at the switch when they made the sound system. IMHO, the WE655 was better; "better" meaning a more full and solid sound such as found on my Samsung HLN437W (which is for sale, contact me if interested). I'm getting the new Sony KDF-E50A10 as soon as I sell my set, which is in excellent condition.

I still would like comments on how well the black levels and contrast are on the new models, vs the GWIV. That is my main complaint on my GWIV, dark scenes in movies are murky and lack contrast. The sharpness is fine as is.

right now my viewing distance is 7.5 feet to tv. Would the 50 in be pushing it very appropriate viewing distance or should I just go with the 42. I just dont want for it to seem that the 42 is too small, but also I dont want to feel that the 50 is not for my size viewind distance. Any advice will be helpful

lander215, how was the 50a10 listed in the CC system. I am in NYC, where is the warehouse that you are talking about located in.

What should I say to the salesperson. I am supposed to have a switch done this saturday on my HL-R4667 for another one because of circuitry problems, but would rather go with the sony instead. How do I do this because when I talked to a salesperson last week that had a hard time finding it in their system. When they did find it, the price was wrong. How was the model number listed. I would like to order it tonight so I can possible get it on saturday instead of the new HL-R4667 coming on saturday.

I'm not exactly sure what he did, but he showed me where they had coded the TV such that a regular salesman looking it up wouldn't find it...sorry, I know that's not much help. But we used the appropriate model numbers, SON KDFE50A10 and SON KDFE42A10.

I"m not sure where the warehouse was, but it's close enough to SC that their Friday truck will have it here on Saturday. I believe the warehouse number he put in was 755...or 725....but he spoke of it like it was their central warehouse...not sure if it's the central warehouse for the SE or where exactly.

You're best bet is to get the manager involved as you'll have to in the end. The salesman actually went to the main store manager to see if he would approve of the unit being ordered because the system required a managers override to get it.

At 7.5' I think the 50" will be your choice. I'm at 7' and my wife is at 8' and we can't wait to get the 50" model in. Also, CC didn't have any stock on the 42" yet, but it's probably just a matter of days until they do. The date on the 50" was 7/22 while the date on the 42" was 7/28 in the CC computer.

I was lucky, the salesman I had was really cool about the whole thing.

thanks Lander215, I think I may go talk to them after work today. I am supposed to be having a replacement switch done on saturday for my samsung tv, but would rather go with the Sony. I had a sony in the past and the picture was awesome. You wont be disappointed.

Did he say when the 50 in would be in stock? How much should the two be listed for in CC?

The 50" were in stock at the warehouse and available to order with a managers approval. The 42" were not yet in stock at the warehouse. No ETA on when they'd be in the stores.

MSRP on them is $1999 for the 42" and $2499 for the 50", but they were in the computer wrong, so be sure to point out the proper price to them.

you think CC will price-match J&R's 50a10 for $2299

right now my viewing distance is 7.5 feet to tv. Would the 50 in be pushing it very appropriate viewing distance or should I just go with the 42. I just dont want for it to seem that the 42 is too small, but also I dont want to feel that the 50 is not for my size viewind distance. Any advice will be helpful

In my opinion, a 50 inch model MAY be too large at 7.5 feet. I have the 42 inch and view it at 13 feet...at that distance the 50 would clearly be better. You are very borderline on your distance. I would suggest go to a store with a measuring tape, and watch the 50 inch for a decent period of time at 7.5 feet. Make sure sports and action scenes aren't hard to follow, and making you dizzy. If you think you like the 50 after testing it, go for it. But make sure you can exchange it for a 42 if you change your mind at home. A 50 inch will look MUCH larger in your small room than in a TV showroom.

you think CC will price-match J&R's 50a10 for $2299

Doubt it, they'll match any local competitor though, so I was glad when HH Gregg moved into our area....now we have four to price match amongst.

For those who have seen this set, how do you think it compares to the Samsung HL-R4667 or 5067? It's between the two for me, I've seen the Samsung, now need to see the Sony. I've seen the rainbows in the dlp, but only with a THX disc, but never when watching regular tv/movies. I'm hoping the Sony can compare to the Samsung

J&R is local, remember I am from NYC

Well, after a long time researching and deciding between various DLP and LCD HDTVs, I finally took the plunge and ordered the 50A10 from Crutchfield.com. I had ordered the 42" model, but they said the ETA was August 12th and I needed the TV before then, so I went with the larger one. The set seems to have everything I wanted...720p, game mode, advanced iris, all that good stuff. I play a ton of 480i games (most of my games are PS2 or older), so a game mode was a requirement. Now I just have to wait for the freight company to call and schedule a delivery time.

dude...what is this "game mode" ive heard you talk about. ALL i've seen in the manuel is a setting called "game picture" that allows you to move the picture left and right. didn't see anything about a game mode that adjust for the lag in 480i...

Here is my review that I posted on another forum topic. I am not a tv expert by any means but here it is:

Ok, so I set up the tv last night (E50A10) and spent a few hours playing around with it. Here are my impressions:

Standard def tv- I previously had a JVC 32" CRT and so this is my first experience watching standard def tv on an hdtv, besides at friends' houses or at the stores. The picture isn't as good as it is with my old CRT, but that is expected. Could all be due to the huge increase in screen size. Some channels are worse than others, but that is the same on my CRT. My couch is 14' away from my tv (big room), and so watching standard def is fine. I am sure that standard def is as good or better than any other hdtv I have seen it on. I notice no real degredation when I switch from standard view to wide zoom, so that is good.

High def tv- AMAZING!! It blew me away. I have seen high def on many tvs at stores, and at friends' houses, but this is the best I have ever seen. When I watched hdtv on my friends Sony 34" widescreen hdtv I thought, what is the big deal? On this tv....incredible. The clarity is awesome! I was switching back and forth between Lost on hd and standard def and was sold. Huge difference. The colors and bright scenes seem brighter than I have seen on other tvs, but in a really good way. I had the picture set on standard most of the time, instead of vivid. A scene on Lost which showed the mountains and sky in Hawaii blew my wife and I away.

DVD- Again, the best I have seen. I have taken dvds to stores and tested them on many tvs. I have a progressive scan cheap Samsung dvd player. The picture looked great even from a couple feet away. No weird pixel issues or clamation details like I have seen on Samsung dlps. I watched the huge fight on LOTR:Two Towers to check out the dark levels. The iris settings are actually different than I have seen explained on this forum. There are levels from 1(min) to 5(max). I saw no on/off. 1 is the darkest, and 5 is the lightest. I think the default setting was 2, and I found 2-3 to be the best settings. Black levels were excellent on the battle scene. Blacks were SUPER black, but there was still great detail in dark scenes. I think the new iris does its job well.

Sound- I have a surround sound system, but I usually use my tv speakers for tv, especially since my children are asleep during a lot of my tv watching. Since the speakers are in that open gap in the bottom, the regular sound was a little muffled. I switched to dynamic sound I think (or whatever the option was) and it was a little better. When I switched to the surround option it sounded much better, and seemed to take away the muffled effect.

Overall- I think this is the best hdtv I have seen. Let me know if you have any questions and I will try to answer them .

pictures .... show us some pictures :D

No new news really, but it might save someone a trip. I went to Magnolia Hi-Fi in Bellevue today and they don't have either model in stock yet. Both are expected mid-August at the standard price of $1,999 and $2,499.

Dlpwanter,

Nice write up, i've been waiting....and waiting to take the plunge, the 50 incher sounds promising. Any pictures you could post would be most welcome to the forum....Thanks


AW

dude...what is this "game mode" ive heard you talk about. ALL i've seen in the manuel is a setting called "game picture" that allows you to move the picture left and right. didn't see anything about a game mode that adjust for the lag in 480i...

I've read about the A10 series having it in a number of threads. If it doesn't, I may have a problem with my new investment...

J&R is local, remember I am from NYC

Ah, well then, take in the J&R ad/info and see what they got to say then!

I will post pics later tonight. I also found out how to access the other iris settings but haven't checked them out yet.

Regarding the game mode on the A10 series, I've found proof of it in the online manual I have through Cruchfield. The link is...

http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/158/158KD50A10.PDF

On page 78, they have game mode listed as "optimize the lip synch when playing games". I'm glad to see that this mode exists as it was a main selling point to me for this tv.

Some good news and bad news. . .

First, the good: Sears at the Meadows Mall in Las Vegas has the 50" model in stock and on display.

Now, the bad (and, man, does it hurt): They have the tv setup with only a standard def feed through a coax cable. It's on an endcap away from the other HDTVs, so they can't hook it up to a high def feed even if they wanted to.

But, wait, it gets better. The TV isn't next to any other TVs, so even if we hook up a DVD player, I can't do any direct comparisons.

Nonetheless, I want to go back tomorrow with an Xbox and a few DVDs to see how the picture looks.

The set itself is elegantly designed and fairly attractive. I did not test the sound, but I'll look into that tomorrow.

Is anyone else -- particularly a videophile -- in the Las Vegas area?

Dlpwanter's review is much much appreciated, and it brings to light what I think is a pretty important issue regarding the Iris, begging the question: Is this Iris really dynamic/automatic?

Here's what I'm talking about: Sony in their manual describes the Iris as one that "automatically open(s) and close(s) according to the incoming signal level . . ." (p. 9 of the Manual, Sony Style site) yet later on it indicates that the iris is set (presumably by the user) to high/medium/low/off (p. 65, Manual), which is exactly what DLPwanter had to do - set the iris. Doesn't sound automatic to me if you have to manually set it.

The only theory I can come up with that reconciles all this is that maybe the iris setting somehow sets its *sensitivity*, as opposed to just setting a *static* arpeture opening size. Just a theory based on speculation, hyperbole, innuendo, and viscious rumors . . . Anybody know the definitive answer on this? After all the hoopla and high expectations about the iris, it would be pretty disappointing if it was just a sort of dumbed down version of the truly automatic one used in that Sony projector (VS51 or something like that).

dlpwanter,

For SD content, you might want to try what I've found to work best. Are you using the component cables for both SD and HD to the same input? For my Pioneer CRT RPTV, I found that the component cables actually brought out the bad quality in SD - I guess they truly show how bad it is.

So what I've done is had to use 2 inputs on the TV. It's a pain switching, but my SD is better. I plan to do the same on my new 50A10. What I do is run the coax into the HD box from the cable company. Then I run the component cables out into the TV, to Input1 or whatever. Then I run either straight coax, or maybe an S-Video cable into the TV to another input. That input I use to watch SD.

Anyway, if you are ever board, you might wanna give it a try. Maybe it will make your SD just a little better. It does for me.

Aaron

If anyone is looking to order from Sears, particularly in California, refer to the information I posted here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5952368&&#post5952368


It includes the Sears order number and info and explanation. Enjoy!

Have my eye on the 50. Any suggession on a good stand besides the Sony. Maybe one that swivels??

A swivelling 50"?!

I actually found a really nice swiveling stand at my local Bernies. Not sure if you have one.

I have my 60" Grand wega on a swiveling stand, it is really nice. One side have a fireplace can turn it 30 degrees easily, and straight on I have my couch.

It is perfect.

Edit:

For anyone who has these TVs, two requests
1) Pictures!! :rolleyes:
2) Clarity of text from a computer on the TV thru HDMI

FWIW, I ordered this stand for the 50A10 that will be joining the family around August 14 - hopefully.
http://www.racksandstands.com/prods/Tech-Craft/MT400/0PTC0050.htm

It's not a swivel, but it addressed some key concerns for me:
my center can fit on the shelf below the TV, my components on the bottom shelf and it's relatively shallow (only 20.5") - I have a tight corner I'm working with and depth is critical.


Mitch

If anyone is looking to order from Sears, particularly in California, refer to the information I posted here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5952368&&#post5952368


It includes the Sears order number and info and explanation. Enjoy!

Where in California?

I stopped by UE (in the St. Louis area) again today. They now have it listed in their system at a price of $2499 for the 50" plus a 10% sale, so the final price is $2249.

Earlier this week, I preordered it from them when they had it listed for $2799 and on sale for $2519. They are having a store wide sale, which ends on 7/30, so that could be why its been discounted. The salesman said he would credit me the difference, since I had already paid for it.

In addition, he's going to give me a call when they get a floor model, so I can check it out in person to make sure this is the TV I want. He thought that they should get a floor model by Friday and I might have mine delivered by Saturday night. I can't wait!!

That's a pretty good price. I don't know if that's going to be there standard price or if it was just a sale that could be ending this Saturday. If you guys have an UE in your area, I would check it out.

Dlpwanter's review is much much appreciated, and it brings to light what I think is a pretty important issue regarding the Iris, begging the question: Is this Iris really dynamic/automatic?

Here's what I'm talking about: Sony in their manual describes the Iris as one that "automatically open(s) and close(s) according to the incoming signal level . . ." (p. 9 of the Manual, Sony Style site) yet later on it indicates that the iris is set (presumably by the user) to high/medium/low/off (p. 65, Manual), which is exactly what DLPwanter had to do - set the iris. Doesn't sound automatic to me if you have to manually set it.

The only theory I can come up with that reconciles all this is that maybe the iris setting somehow sets its *sensitivity*, as opposed to just setting a *static* arpeture opening size. Just a theory based on speculation, hyperbole, innuendo, and viscious rumors . . . Anybody know the definitive answer on this? After all the hoopla and high expectations about the iris, it would be pretty disappointing if it was just a sort of dumbed down version of the truly automatic one used in that Sony projector (VS51 or something like that).

It's quite possible that it is automatic once you set the level. Another words, if you set it to medium the iris automatically adjusts the light to be at medium. The owner makes the choice of what level they prefer then the TV does the rest.

pictures .... show us some pictures :D

Ok, here are a few.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/m.roberts04@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/4a02&.dnm=ee7b.jpg&.src=ph

i dont quite understand why anyone will care to read about the availability of this TV in your neighborhood. i understand you are excited but please refrain from publically announcing this detail. it makes the thread much more bloated and harder to read. the main focus should be reviews/impressions on the quality of the TV and questions about the TV technology. thanks. :)

you think CC will price-match J&R's 50a10 for $2299

Dream on!

i dont quite understand why anyone will care to read about the availability of this TV in your neighborhood. i understand you are excited but please refrain from publically announcing this detail. it makes the thread much more bloated and harder to read. the main focus should be reviews/impressions on the quality of the TV and questions about the TV technology. thanks. :)



I posted that information, cuz I thought it was a good deal for the TV and I wanted to inform other forum members who were looking for a place to buy this TV. I apologize for putting any other additional/irrelevant information in my post. :)

Ok, here are a few.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/m.roberts04@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/4a02&.dnm=ee7b.jpg&.src=ph


Wow, you have some interesting views out your windows. Hey wait a minute, those aren't windows .... :)


Mitch

For me, its down to the JVC D-ILA(52G786) or the Sony 50A10! I saw the JVC at BB the other day and was impressed by the PQ. I'll have to take a ride over to my local Sears to see if they got one on display to compare. Now there are definately more positive aspects than negative with the new A10's, but there are a couple little "scratch-your-head" issues. How does a $2500 dollar TV have only ONE S-video output? Also, Sony usually gets it right when it comes to ergonomics and aesthetics but why would I want component output on the SIDE of the TV? Please leave component output on the rear panel please!
I like watching SD cable via S-video connection on these type of sets. That doesn't leave me with much. Am I gonna have to disconnect my STB so I can use my camcorder, etc through S-video? Albeit, these are little issues, but I'm just trying to play through my connectivity options between the JVC and Sony!

I know a number of people now have the KDF-E50A10 home and set up. Unfortunately, most of them are still posting in the "Sony launches new native 720p... " mega-thread. What I want to know is has anyone hooked up their PC yet? Does the VGA input accept 720p? If not, can you do 720p via DVI->HDMI from your PC?I too am very interested to hear if the A10's can do 1:1 pixel mapping with the HDMI and VGA inputs. Also to help anyone who wants to test that here is a test pattern (http://www.marky.com/misc/testpatterns/Digital_TestPattern_ByMark.bmp) that has been used by a lot of AVS members to determine whether a display could do 1:1 pixel mapping. You save the image to your hard drive and than set it as your wallpaper with the tile setting. The test pattern was originally posted here (http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90884).


Ok, here are a few.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/m.roberts04@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/4a02&.dnm=ee7b.jpg&.src=phThose are some good photos and I think the one with the bird was very well done. Also I know it may not photograph well but could you take a picture of a dark scene such as from Dark City or LOTR?


How does a $2500 dollar TV have only ONE S-video output? Well their is an HDMI input, VGA input, and three component video inputs. Also if you need to connect several S-Video devices their is always the option of a 4 input switch box from Wal-mart or Radioshack.


Also, Sony usually gets it right when it comes to ergonomics and aesthetics but why would I want component output on the SIDE of the TV?I believe the idea behind that was so you could hook up a HDV camcorder without having to get to the back of the TV. It does seem a little odd to put inputs on the side instead of the front but it is also done by several other manufacturers.


I like watching SD cable via S-video connection on these type of sets.I think that if your satellite/cable box has a component video output you might want to give that a try.

I think that if your satellite/cable box has a component video output you might want to give that a try.[/QUOTE]


Component output is not ideal for SD PQ. S-video or even composite looks alot better for SD material. I appreciate your input. Using a switch box would alleviate some connectivity problems.

Also, dlpwanter, or other A10 owners( I know there are few at this point) could you talk about the aspect modes on these sets?? Is there a good "stretch" mode that will allow viewing of 4:3 material in WS without too much distortion?

Also, dlpwanter, or other A10 owners( I know there are few at this point) could you talk about the aspect modes on these sets?? Is there a good "stretch" mode that will allow viewing of 4:3 material in WS without too much distortion?

I'm not dlpwanter but my new 34" sony ( that I'm selling to get the 52A10) has the Wide Zoom that only stetches the ends and keeps the middle as is. this looks real good to me. I believe in the 50A10 manual mentions the wide Zoom mode you can select. :cool:

i apologize if my post was unwelcome behavior.

I just wanted to ask if anyone has tested "Game mode" in the A10.

I'm wondering if the game mode has absolutely no lag whatsoever. I'm a hardcore gamer, and if anyone here plays MvC2, please oh PLEASE give us some info on the performance of the A10.

And I'm pretty sure motion blur isn't any problem (to any new tv's nowadays) anymore, right?

I just wanted to ask if anyone has tested "Game mode" in the A10.

I'm wondering if the game mode has absolutely no lag whatsoever. I'm a hardcore gamer, and if anyone here plays MvC2, please oh PLEASE give us some info on the performance of the A10.

And I'm pretty sure motion blur isn't any problem (to any new tv's nowadays) anymore, right?

Yes please respond. The main reason for the TV is MediaCenterPC, HTPC. Running it all through the TV and can't wait to play games like Doom3 finally with my towers and dual subs!! Someone test a game out already on it. Thanks.

Looks like Shop Sunshine has two 42a10s for sale on ebay. Not sure whether they have them in stock. Note the buy it now.

http://search.*********/sony-42-lcd_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

Check out the listing for the A10 on the Crutchfield web site. In the photos section they actually show the iris in both open and closed positions!

Component output is not ideal for SD PQ. S-video or even composite looks alot better for SD material. I appreciate your input. Using a switch box would alleviate some connectivity problems.

Also, dlpwanter, or other A10 owners( I know there are few at this point) could you talk about the aspect modes on these sets?? Is there a good "stretch" mode that will allow viewing of 4:3 material in WS without too much distortion?

I agree, I think someone commented awhile back that the A10 did a nice job of scaling SD on the set, and I would leave the sets internal electronics to do the job (unless you have a very nice scaler hanging around!) rather than the cable box. I believe S-Video uses whatever the *source* is for scaling, i.e. the cable box. Composite and RF use the A10s internal scaler.

Someone please chime in if I'm wrong....

I am looking hard at the 42A10 and wondered if others are checking out an extended warranty for this tv?

I will be purchasing the 50A10 and I am interested in buying some home theater equipment to go along with it.

I am looking at a newly released DENON HT in a box. It is due to release soon. I'm trying to decide between the S-101 and the S-301. The key difference is that he S-301 has HDMI Output with selectable scaling – 480p/720p/1080i, while the S-101 does not. And about 600 dollars difference.

Does the 50A10 have built in capabilities that would make this scaling difference a mute point? If the 50A10 doesn't have compensating capabilities, do you think the selectable scaling feature is worthwhile investigating further?

Thanks!

Leadercrat

Complete info on Denon S-101 and S-301 available on the world wide web audioholics site

I posted that information, cuz I thought it was a good deal for the TV and I wanted to inform other forum members who were looking for a place to buy this TV. I apologize for putting any other additional/irrelevant information in my post. :)

I like your posting or anyone's, telling me places to get the A10's. We need to find the best deals and I don't have the time to shop everywhere while living in rural America. :rolleyes:

I am looking hard at the 42A10 and wondered if others are checking out an extended warranty for this tv?

For me, it's a must have with the new models. 5 year extended warranty is what I need :D

I just wanted to ask if anyone has tested "Game mode" in the A10.

I'm wondering if the game mode has absolutely no lag whatsoever. I'm a hardcore gamer, and if anyone here plays MvC2, please oh PLEASE give us some info on the performance of the A10.

And I'm pretty sure motion blur isn't any problem (to any new tv's nowadays) anymore, right?

If I were you I would bring my Play station, and game to the store that's displaying A10's and play with it . Let us know :o

For me, it's a must have with the new models. 5 year extended warranty is what I need :D

$280 from sonystyle.com ;)

I will be purchasing the 50A10 and I am interested in buying some home theater equipment to go along with it.

I am looking at a newly released DENON HT in a box. It is due to release soon. I'm trying to decide between the S-101 and the S-301. The key difference is that he S-301 has HDMI Output with selectable scaling – 480p/720p/1080i, while the S-101 does not. And about 600 dollars difference.

Does the 50A10 have built in capabilities that would make this scaling difference a mute point? If the 50A10 doesn't have compensating capabilities, do you think the selectable scaling feature is worthwhile investigating further?

Thanks!

Leadercrat

Complete info on Denon S-101 and S-301 available on the world wide web audioholics site

I would use only the T.V scaler/ tuner. If you scale it before the T.V and then the T.V scales it again I think it would degrade the picture. I beleive the reveiws we've recieved so far states the A10's do an excellent job of scaling. :cool:

Any of you considering the new Oppo Upconverting DVD player that everyone is talking about these days? Seems to be the cat's meow for $200.

Folks, your suggestions would be appreciated. I am looking for a small pair of speakers (2 are enough) to hopefully be able to shut off the internal speakers and just be able to hook up the speakers to the back of the new 50 inch Sony WITHOUT (hopefully) have to get a separate amp. I'm hoping that these speakers can be powered the TV itself. Nothing complicated.

My cursory examination of the speakers at Sears left me very disappointed.
Perhaps Sony should have hired Samsung engineers because the Sammy DLP's have great sound. I love all kinds of music and hearing Classical music and some good Garth Brooks is one way for me to test speaker quality. BTW, is there indeed a simple hookup for external speakers on the REAR of the Sony? Just my luck this simple "fix" won't work. Thanks for your time and attention.

If you look in the manual available online at sonystyle.com, I don't think you're going to find any place to connect external speakers. You'll need an external amp (ie home theater system) to do it.

If you look in the manual available online at sonystyle.com, I don't think you're going to find any place to connect external speakers. You'll need an external amp (ie home theater system) to do it.


I only want two speakers, perhaps slightly larger than those inside the Sony TV. They should significantly improve the sound and should be inexpensive. In other words, please suggest some systems that would give me/us the biggest bang for the buck. I'm hoping not to use another remote. It would be dumb to have to turn on the TV.........AND an amp to get the sound.

You might want to look into some powered speakers like the Klipsch Pro-Media's. I have a 2.1 set and really like them for my PC. My set now is a few years old. Maybe the Sony hopefully has an audio out jack? Then you'd just need a RCA to 1/8" adapter, and the speakers would hook up fine.

On second thought, if you're using a cable/satellite TV box, I'm sure they'd have the audio out.

dlpwanter,

For SD content, you might want to try what I've found to work best. Are you using the component cables for both SD and HD to the same input? For my Pioneer CRT RPTV, I found that the component cables actually brought out the bad quality in SD - I guess they truly show how bad it is.

So what I've done is had to use 2 inputs on the TV. It's a pain switching, but my SD is better. I plan to do the same on my new 50A10. What I do is run the coax into the HD box from the cable company. Then I run the component cables out into the TV, to Input1 or whatever. Then I run either straight coax, or maybe an S-Video cable into the TV to another input. That input I use to watch SD.

Anyway, if you are ever board, you might wanna give it a try. Maybe it will make your SD just a little better. It does for me.

Aaron

Hmmm, maybe I will try that. I use a dvi to hdmi cable right now.

Those are some good photos and I think the one with the bird was very well done. Also I know it may not photograph well but could you take a picture of a dark scene such as from Dark City or LOTR?

I will try to take some tonight in 800x600 so I can upload them to this forum directly.

Also, dlpwanter, or other A10 owners( I know there are few at this point) could you talk about the aspect modes on these sets?? Is there a good "stretch" mode that will allow viewing of 4:3 material in WS without too much distortion?


The wide zoom mode looks very good on 4:3 material. I don't really notice any degredation in picture quality.

Anyone have any idea how I might take advantage of the Sears Friend's and Family discount while out of town? I'll be in San Diego from the 10th to the 15th. Can I order early at my own local store, and then call up for a price adjustment? Or order from a Cali store, and specifiy delivery to my home address?

Ok, here are a few.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/m.roberts04@sbcglobal.net/detail?.dir=/4a02&.dnm=ee7b.jpg&.src=ph

Wow, that's a tight fit. I hope you're leaving plenty of room in back for airflow, because the sides and top don't leave much room.

The wide zoom mode looks very good on 4:3 material. I don't really notice any degredation in picture quality.

PQ OK fine . but what about distortion, people with fat heads or long skinny people ? better yet, how about a screen shot of like local news anchors ?

Thanks

both have them in there stores 50a10.
both told me they will display them soon !!!
yea!!!

I'm in the same boat as you amheck--I know I'm going to be in airports on the 14th. I may have a buddy buy the set for me--though I'll have to blackmail him to keep him from opening the box :)

Wow, that's a tight fit. I hope you're leaving plenty of room in back for airflow, because the sides and top don't leave much room.

Yeah, VERY tight fit. I am actually going to take out the top shelf and relocate the dvd player and cable box using one of the IR router kits. That should help to ventilate the tv better.

PQ OK fine . but what about distortion, people with fat heads or long skinny people ? better yet, how about a screen shot of like local news anchors ?

Thanks


On wide zoom, I notice no stretching in any direction. On full mode I notice people get wider. I will try to get a shot of that.

If I were you I would bring my Play station, and game to the store that's displaying A10's and play with it . Let us know :o

I'll probably bring my Dreamcast and test Marvel vs. Capcom 2 on it. What sucks is that I can't test it until Monday, but if no one is going to test it by then, I will.
I guess I'll bring my PS2 over too, and play Devil May Cry 3 or something with lots of flashy shiny stuff (enough to cause seizures).

Oh, and I'm going to be testing it with s-video, if that matters.

On wide zoom, I notice no stretching in any direction. On full mode I notice people get wider. I will try to get a shot of that.

On my 34" sony the wide zoom is the best because it only stretches the very ends. The only time you see some distortion is when there is a closeup of 2 people. One on one end and the other pearson on the other end ( they look a little fatter). The middle of the screen keeps everything in perspective. :D

On wide zoom, I notice no stretching in any direction. On full mode I notice people get wider. I will try to get a shot of that.

On wide zoom, do you loose a lot of the picture both sides and top/bottom?

Lander215, just got back from CC. They have alot of the 50 inch in the warehouse, but no 42's and none in the stores of either size. I got the 50 in and they are delivering it next saturday. I was suppose to have the switch done on my HL-R4667 tomorrow for a new Samsung HL-R4667, but I believe the Sony is so much better. Unfortunately I cant have my new Sony delivered tomorrow, because they wont do next day delivery so I have to wait a week because I work all day M-F. I was having some problems with the Samsung both audio and video problems, and would rather have a Sony instead of trying another Samsung. Heard great reviews about the Sony. Plus I have been reading alot of bad reviews from the Samsung because of the audio lag (which is there) and video pq.

Cnet review:
The good:
Displays nearly all of the resolution of a native 720p HD signal; solid black-level performance for an LCD; 2:3 pull-down in the video processing; three independent memories per input; three component-video inputs; PC input; compact dimensions.

The bad:
Inaccurate color decoding out of the box; no picture-in-picture.

I don't really like cnet reviews. I dunno, they never really seem to go too deep into the product.

I don't see the lack of PIP being a big deal. As I understand it, the PIP is only available for a standard (analog) definition signal. This might be useful right now, but what happens if we start to roll into a high definition cable lineup? I suppose we'll all have new TVs by then with the way things are going...I've never seen such a slow rollout of technology in my life!

I would never find picture in picture to be useful anyway. I can't really see myself being so captivated in two different programs that I would have to watch them both at the same time.

Cnet review:
The good:
Displays nearly all of the resolution of a native 720p HD signal; solid black-level performance for an LCD; 2:3 pull-down in the video processing; three independent memories per input; three component-video inputs; PC input; compact dimensions.

The bad:
Inaccurate color decoding out of the box; no picture-in-picture.

The thing that worries me is the comment on black level performance says 'for an LCD'. I want DLP quality black levels! Can anyone comment on the A10 vs recent model DLP's in that regard?

I don't think the cnet review is a good summary of the tv for one main reason...they completely didn't mention anything about the advanced iris! Who's to say the reviewer didn't even know about the iris and did his review without setting it up? Furthermore, the whole Wega GATE thing confused him so much he had to consult the manual? I don't think I can take this review seriously.

Cnet review:
The good:
Displays nearly all of the resolution of a native 720p HD signal; solid black-level performance for an LCD; 2:3 pull-down in the video processing; three independent memories per input; three component-video inputs; PC input; compact dimensions.

The bad:
Inaccurate color decoding out of the box; no picture-in-picture.

I couldn't find this review. Can you post the link? Thanks

I couldn't find this review. Can you post the link? Thanks

http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDF_E50A10/4505-6485_7-31453800.html?tag=bv

Cnet review:
The good:
Displays nearly all of the resolution of a native 720p HD signal; solid black-level performance for an LCD; 2:3 pull-down in the video processing; three independent memories per input; three component-video inputs; PC input; compact dimensions.

The bad:
Inaccurate color decoding out of the box; no picture-in-picture.

The Good:
Reviewer knew the name of the set.

The Bad:
No mention of the Iris, Menu confused him.

The Wrong:
the 55-inch KDF-E55A20 and the 60-inch KDF-E60A20. include numerous features these models lack, such as picture-in-picture, an extra HDMI input

I used to trust cnet...

I think that amongst all the questions about other equipment to buy and how tight enclosures seem that some questions specific to this set have been overlooked. Could someone who has this set check the following things if possible please?
What are the dimensions of the box it comes in?
Does the set accept 1280x720 on the PC input?
Does the set have 1:1 pixel mapping via DVI/HDMI?

people who have this tv, can they please post their settings for others who will be getting the tv's real soon

... no picture-in-picture ...

It has been pointed out here before that many cable STBs have a picture-in-picture feature built-in, which may lessen this omission.

Cnet review:
The good:
Displays nearly all of the resolution of a native 720p HD signal; solid black-level performance for an LCD; 2:3 pull-down in the video processing; three independent memories per input; three component-video inputs; PC input; compact dimensions.

The bad:
Inaccurate color decoding out of the box; no picture-in-picture.

I'm obviously biased owards the Sony but that review really smelled of a rush job by a guy with his own DLP-biases. But, that's just my take on things.

The only thing I learned from that review is that I would never want to buy the TV from Datavision Computer Video - $12,193.00 shipping! :eek:


Mitch

I hope this isn't confusing or annoying, but can someone get me a width measurement of the top edge of the 50A10??

TIA
RJ

Lander215, just got back from CC. They have alot of the 50 inch in the warehouse, but no 42's and none in the stores of either size. I got the 50 in and they are delivering it next saturday. I was suppose to have the switch done on my HL-R4667 tomorrow for a new Samsung HL-R4667, but I believe the Sony is so much better. Unfortunately I cant have my new Sony delivered tomorrow, because they wont do next day delivery so I have to wait a week because I work all day M-F. I was having some problems with the Samsung both audio and video problems, and would rather have a Sony instead of trying another Samsung. Heard great reviews about the Sony. Plus I have been reading alot of bad reviews from the Samsung because of the audio lag (which is there) and video pq.

Yeah, that's what I found out too...they have the 50's in the warehouse to deliver, but no stock on the 42's yet. I'm taking my 42" 655 back tomorrow and will just put my old 27" CRT back in until the 42's arrive in store. <sigh>

Lander215, I ordered the 50 in, but you think that will be too big. I am about 8 ft away from front of tv to where my eye sight would be. Will HD pq be very bad then.

How would you rate this tv to your 42we655, alot better?

Just for a bit of fun I think I will review the reviewer (http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDF_E50A10/4505-6482_7-31453800-5.html?tag=top) on CNet. Though I did think the review wasn't horribly bad I found it a bit surprising that the reviewer would compare the RP LCD to a RP DLP. It wasn't quite a fair comparison and in truth an actual rated contrast ratio would have been a far better way to judge how good the sets contrast ratio was. It was also somewhat strange that the reviewer couldn't figure out the Wega Gate when it was literally one of the main buttons (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-4pYGhwyS8HA/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&id=morephotos&pi=18&i=158KD50A10&display=XL#Tab) on the remote. As for how in depth the review was it doesn't appear as though the reviewer even tried to get 1:1 pixel mapping over the HDMI or VGA inputs. Since he went into the service menu of the TV I would have hoped he would try to figure out if 1:1 pixel mapping was possible. He also made no mention of the VGA input or any attempt to test it. Also like many others I find it amazing that the reviewer never even mentioned the dynamic iris once in his entire review. I give the reviewer a B for style but a C- for depth.


Hmm, I wonder what they mean by "Displays nearly all of the resolution of a native 720p HD signal"?Over HDMI the reviewer got a 2.5% overscan, per side, which is fairly good for most TVs but not exactly 1:1 pixel mapping. I wonder though if the reviewer tried to mess around with the display area setting, which is found on page 70 of the user manual, or if he tried changing any of the settings in the service menu? If not than it is still possible that their is a way to get 1:1 pixel mapping over HDMI and/or VGA.

I understand that this powered speaker system can be used with the new Sony A10 since the Sony has the ability to turn the speakers OFF and have the audio output (from the manual): "from your audio system can still be controlled by the TV's remote. Maybe someone can tell me if this will actually work and if so, how exactly to hook it up.

It appears this could be a simple 200 dollar solution to the terrible sound of the new set. I've read many reviews from major mags saying its great. Has anyone here used the ZVOX 315, or know of anyone who has?

BTW, does the 50 in A10 Sony have audio outputs on the rear of the set? If so would I plug the audio cable into the REAR of my TV.........OR.......plug them in the cable STB, and then run the cables directly to the 315?

Just for a bit of fun I think I will review the reviewer (http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KDF_E50A10/4505-6482_7-31453800-5.html?tag=top) on CNet. Though I did think the review wasn't horribly bad I found it a bit surprising that the reviewer would compare the RP LCD to a RP DLP. It wasn't quite a fair comparison and in truth an actual rated contrast ratio would have been a far better way to judge how good the sets contrast ratio was. It was also somewhat strange that the reviewer couldn't figure out the Wega Gate when it was literally one of the main buttons (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-4pYGhwyS8HA/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=147350&id=morephotos&pi=18&i=158KD50A10&display=XL#Tab) on the remote. As for how in depth the review was it doesn't appear as though the reviewer even tried to get 1:1 pixel mapping over the HDMI or VGA inputs. Since he went into the service menu of the TV I would have hoped he would try to figure out if 1:1 pixel mapping was possible. He also made no mention of the VGA input or any attempt to test it. Also like many others I find it amazing that the reviewer never even mentioned the dynamic iris once in his entire review. I give the reviewer a B for style but a C- for depth.


Over HDMI the reviewer got a 2.5% overscan, per side, which is fairly good for most TVs but not exactly 1:1 pixel mapping. I wonder though if the reviewer tried to mess around with the display area setting, which is found on page 70 of the user manual, or if he tried changing any of the settings in the service menu? If not than it is still possible that their is a way to get 1:1 pixel mapping over HDMI and/or VGA.


How can a 720 native set get 1:1 pixel mapping when it's confronted with 1280x768? I don't understand Sony.

How can a 720 native set get 1:1 pixel mapping when it's confronted with 1280x768? I don't understand Sony.Though not listed in the user manual I am still hoping that 1280x720 may be allowed as an input signal for VGA.

Though not listed in the user manual I am still hoping that 1280x720 may be allowed as an input signal for VGA.
Sure would be nice if someone with the TV would HOOK UP THEIR PC AND TRY IT FOR US ALREADY... ahem. :rolleyes:

I hope this isn't confusing or annoying, but can someone get me a width measurement of the top edge of the 50A10??

TIA
RJ

Widest distance top width 46 5/8"

Lander215, I ordered the 50 in, but you think that will be too big. I am about 8 ft away from front of tv to where my eye sight would be. Will HD pq be very bad then.

How would you rate this tv to your 42we655, alot better?

My viewing distance is 7.5' to 8.5' (lazy boy and couch). After mocking up a 50" screen on my 42", I have some concern about the 50" being too large for the room and that I may get more SDE than I do right now. Right now the SDE for me is quite minimal...yes, I see it from time to time, but it doesn't detract from what I'm watching beyond "oh, look, SDE". Since the set is new for us, this will eventually go away as I just become accustomed to it. It is infrequent enough that it doesn't bother me.

I have concern that with a 50" at this distance it will become more noticable and would either take longer for me to not notice it anymore, or be a big distraction over time. So, the 42" I feel is the right size for us and the only question then is do I want the smaller cabinet and iris in the A10 or am I happy with what I have now.

Coin toss.

Sure would be nice if someone with the TV would HOOK UP THEIR PC AND TRY IT FOR US ALREADY... ahem. :rolleyes:

I think all of those posts requesting that mysteriously dissapear when owners read these threads :)