Is that MPEG2 or MPEG4 (H.264) or VC-1 codec? HD optical formats support them all.

Here in UK HDTV is being delivered via MPEG4 which could prove interesting, at least no MPEG2 mosquito noise.
It was revealed somewhere in the HD-DVD/BluRay/HDTV Media forums that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will still be using 4:2:0. :(

It was revealed somewhere in the HD-DVD/BluRay/HDTV Media forums that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will still be using 4:2:0. :(
Only if they use MPEG2 (4:2:0 and 8-bit), MPEG4 is 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 (and can be 10- or 12-bit).

Sony Pictures have announced they are initially using MPEG2 for their HD discs, but other studios are using MPEG4 and VC-1. So you'll get 4:2:0 on Sony Pictures' initial HD discs, but not discs from other studios.

StooMonster

My VP30 has a tendency to "lose" or lock up the HDMI from my Sammy 165. It has happened often enough that I no longer freak out - just unplug the HDMI cable from the VP30, turn the 165 on again, and then reconnect the HDMI cable.

The bad part is that the VP30 doesn't "remember" the settings for the HDMI input. Is that how it is supposed to work? - I am connecting the same source to the same input, but after the VP30 kills my Sammy, forcing the reconnect, all my settings for that input are gone. :(

just unplug the HDMI cable from the VP30, turn the 165 on again, and then reconnect the HDMI cable.
Jon,
You reconnect the HDMI cable when the VP30 and the 165 are on? :eek:

Yup - HAVE to have the 165 on, and then connnect the cable. When the VP throws a fit (or whatever it does,) the 165 will NOT turn on. Period. No matter if the VP30 is turned on or off, if they are connected, via the DVI-HDMI cable that came with the VP30, the Samsung 165 will not turn on. Disconnect, then the 165 will turn on. Connect, and it is good, for a week or two. Since the VP30 is on top of my rack, and not buried, this isn't a huge deal. But it is a drag to lose the settings also.

BTW, it is an HDMI issue - has never happened with the 165 connected via HD15/BNC breakout. I'd leave it that way, and forgo the HDMI altogether, but then I have no way to connect PC.

Only if they use MPEG2 (4:2:0 and 8-bit), MPEG4 is 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 (and can be 10- or 12-bit).
Maybe MPEG4 can optionally 4:2:2 or 4:4:4, but AFAIK BluRay/HD-DVD and also HD broadcasts in H.264 are still 4:2:0 and 8bit.

Only if they use MPEG2 (4:2:0 and 8-bit), MPEG4 is 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 (and can be 10- or 12-bit).

Sony Pictures have announced they are initially using MPEG2 for their HD discs, but other studios are using MPEG4 and VC-1. So you'll get 4:2:0 on Sony Pictures' initial HD discs, but not discs from other studios.

StooMonster

No, they're all still encoded in 4:2:0 (would have to double check for VC-1), so I think there is still the likelyhood of QUE and ICP issues at source...

John.

Oh yes, MPEG4 use of 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 as opposed to 4:2:0 are optional. :o Therefore, VP30 CUE function still required!

Bit rusty on codecs here. :rolleyes:

StooMonster

Any word on the availability of the new deinterlacer plugin for the VP30? I just sent my Oppo out to JVB Digital for the SDI mod and should have it back next week. I am really looking forward to putting all the pieces together and enjoying some real high quality video.

I just installed my SDI board and started watching a DVD on the Panny RP-62 which has been modified for SDI. I am getting lots of dropouts (Scaler puts up blue screen, audio video gone, comes back about a 1/2 second later).

I need to try some other DVD's, will probably have time later. Hope it is not the SDI board, it is brand new. If its the Panny, then I just wasted the purchase of the SDI board as that is my only SDI source.

Any word on the availability of the new deinterlacer plugin for the VP30? I just sent my Oppo out to JVB Digital for the SDI mod and should have it back next week. I am really looking forward to putting all the pieces together and enjoying some real high quality video.

I just got my Oppo player back from being modded by JVB. Now I'm waiting for the SDI board for my iScan HD+ to arrive. I really hope to see a big improvement in picture when I mate the two together. :)

Any word on the availability of the new deinterlacer plugin for the VP30?

From page 93 of this thread:

These are the features:

•SD(480i/576i) Source, Motion and Edge Adaptive Deinterlacer
o Five-field motion adaptive deinterlacing
o Edge adaptive processing to produce smooth diagonal edges
o Three frame video processing delay (Max)
o Game Modes with very low latency (sub-1 frame delay)
• Arbitrary cadence detection (any:any) to detect non-standard cadences in input signals.
o Reliable 2:2 pull-down detection for 50Hz countries
o Detection of 2:2 to/from 3:2 crossfades and out of phase 3:2 crossfades
o Detection of multiple source types within a frame for example video titles over film
o Bad edit detection and compensation to minimize artifacts caused by sequence breaks in film content

This is the availability:

Late April

And, YES, this is the pricing

Special price of $199, after which it will be priced at $499

One thing that I would like to clear up is that this upgrade is ONLY available as user/dealer-installable upgrade. We have no plans to come out with a version of the VP30 with this card installed.

We are all, well most of us, anxiously awaiting the release of this chip.

I'm still curious as to how this unit will compare to the DF. In other words....would there be much difference between a Mosquito > VP30 vs a Mosquito > DF setup. The price is sure better. Any thoughts?
Javry

I am on the same boat.

I already have Yamaha DPX-1300. DPX-1300 has HQV engine inside.
But, generally speaking at least in this forum, HQV lags behind Mosquito in Noise reduction(at least MPEG) and Detail enhancement.

So, I purchsed MosquitoHDMI.
Now It is turn to buy a good VP.

As for Noise and Enhancement, I will turn off the fuction in the VP in any case(HQV or VXP or somethingelse).
This time, my main concern is to select VP which has best deinterlacing performance.(on the assumption that film and carton cadence detection performances are almost the same among various VPs. - and actually it is.)

Upto now, I found and heard that HQV and VXP is not the best deinterlacer.
Please refer to another thread named "Which VP is best deinterlacer".

And for the Dragonfly, it also based on HQV.
I think the main defect of dragonfly is that it can not direct non-HDCP HDMI input to anlog output. I think all others(vantage, Crystallio, VP30..) can do it.
So, Dragonfly is completely spec-out for me.

Once you got Mosquito, I think it is best choice to select VP which has best deinterlacing performance.

In this regard, I think VP30 is most cost-effective and most performance-wise.
(As long as deinterlacing performance they claimed at the CES demo comes to true life.)

I think VP30 is most cost-effective and most performance-wise.
(As long as deinterlacing performance they claimed at the CES demo comes to true life.)
I think many people are hoping DVDO have created the magic combination of best-in-class solution for lowest-in-class price. :) Roll on ABT102!

StooMonster

Is there any update on when we get 1080i pass through, a few people here think this is quite important? :)

Is there any update on when we get 1080i pass through, a few people here think this is quite important? :)
I believe it does have 1080i pass through. While it does output 1080P it will not (yet) accept a 1080P input.

I'm sorry if I was wrong, my understanding was it didn't yet have the capability of 1080i pass through but all that was needed was just a 'tweak' in the firmware ;)

I believe the "Tweek" was for 1080P passthrough. It accepts 1080i in and will output 1080i. I assume with no processing? Maybe someone from DVDO can give an answer

dlm10541, you are incorrect. The VP30 only passes through 1080i if your output is also 1080i.

Personally, and as per Nic's post, I would like VP30 to deinterlace and scale all signals (480i/576i/720p) to my display's native resolution (1366x768) except 1080i which I would like it to passthrough rather than 'field-scale' to native resolution (which is what it currently does). This is because I prefer the 1080i deinterlacing in my display to the VP30.

The HD and HD+ simply passed through 1080i signals with no processing, I would like to have the choice to either use VP30's 1080i deinterlacing or not (and passthrough 1080i signal unprocessed).

StooMonster

Please explain.

If 1080i in and 1080i out-- isn't that pass through. What processing is being done to 1080i in when 1080i is output?

Based on the answer to a question I had asked earlier, if the VP30 sees 1080i coming in, and you have it set to 1080i as output, my understanding is that it does not do any field scaling.
If you set it to 1080p, then it field scales.

Please explain.
Yes, 1080i input with VP30 set to 1080i output does passthrough, but that is not what post #3020 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7377875&&#post7377875) above discusses is it?

My VP30 is not outputting 1080i, it is outputting native resolution of my display (1366x768). Therefore the point that 1080i input results in 1080i output is completely irrelevent.

When VP30 is outputting a resolution/signal/format other than 1080i, i.e. 720p or native resolution (e.g. 1366x768), it processes the 1080i signal with a 'field scale'. I do not want it to do this, I would like the VP30 to have the option to pass the raw 1080i input signal to my display regardless of my output resolution/signal/format used for all other inputs.
* Lumagen and other scalers have this option.

Neither do I want to set all VP30 output as 1080i, because then the VP30 would scale SD content up to 1080i and my display would downscale it to 1366x768; this makes the external scaler redundant.

I want VP30 set to output 1366x768 and process all SD signals + 720p, i.e. deinterlace (where appropriate) and scale to NR; but I would like the VP30 to passthrough 1080i unprocessed.

StooMonster

Can't you set profiles to do exactly what you describe.

I'm probably wrong at this but the VP30 might still do limited processing to the 1080i input even with a 1080i output. The limit processing probably includes overscan and picture adjustments like contrast and brightness.

Yes it does but if you have it set to the default it will not do any processing so it would be like a passthru.

YWhen VP30 is outputting a resolution/signal/format other than 1080i, i.e. 720p or native resolution (e.g. 1366x768), it processes the 1080i signal with a 'field scale'. I do not want it to do this, I would like the VP30 to have the option to pass the raw 1080i input signal to my display regardless of my output resolution/signal/format used for all other inputs.
* Lumagen and other scalers have this option.

Neither do I want to set all VP30 output as 1080i, because then the VP30 would scale SD content up to 1080i and my display would downscale it to 1366x768; this makes the external scaler redundant.

I want VP30 set to output 1366x768 and process all SD signals + 720p, i.e. deinterlace (where appropriate) and scale to NR; but I would like the VP30 to passthrough 1080i unprocessed.
I believe the VP30 will do this. According to the VP30 manual it saves a separate set of settings for each input and each video format. (See the section labeled "Non-Volatile Memory Settings".) One of the settings saved with each format is the display profile, so if you have defined one display profile for 1366x768 and one for 1080i, then you should be able to assign the 1080i output format to just 1080i format input signals. Caveat: I've never done this myself as I haven't had the need, but I'm sure DVDO tech support can help you with this if you have any problems.

- Dale Adams

I'm probably wrong at this but the VP30 might still do limited processing to the 1080i input even with a 1080i output. The limit processing probably includes overscan and picture adjustments like contrast and brightness.
You're not wrong. However, if you have all the controls you mention set to their default positions then the data is passed through unchanged . . . almost. The one exception is that there may be an extra color space conversion or two done depending on what input and output color spaces you have.

- Dale Adams

Thanks Dale, I will try your advice ... I was going from posts above and the DVDO website that says VP30 scales 1080i signals. http://www.dvdo.com/faq/faq_isvp30.php I've only ever run VP30 with one screen at a time and never set up two display profiles.

Will this automatically switch display profile when signal is 1080i or will I have to manually change?

StooMonster

Will this automatically switch display profile when signal is 1080i or will I have to manually change?
It's supposed to automatically switch (says the person who's never tried this . . . :D ).

- Dale Adams

I haven't tried it for 1080i, but it certainly switches profiles for different input signals - I have different profiles for 576i@50Hz and 480i@60Hz and just changing the input makes the VP30 auto switch the profile to the last one that you'd manually selected for that input.

Yeah same here, it works really well. I have different profiles for 480i and 576i on my DVD input (to cater for R1 & R2 movies) - you do have to turn on Auto under Display Profiles though iirc

ah hello Pete

You can also define analog vs digital output as part of a display profile. This is my cunning plan for simplified output switching for SkyHD wired with both component (most of the time) and HDMI (if evil HDCP is involved). Hopefully.

evening Choddo

isn't it ironic that we're talking about the ABT102 on page 102 of the discussion on the VP30?

and how about if they released it on April 12, that would be the 102nd day of the year. While they're at it, how about a special intro price of £102 :)

isn't it ironic that we're talking about the ABT102 on page 102 of the discussion on the VP30?

Maybe we should start a VP40* thread so they will release it once we get to page 40 !

Daniel.

* vp40 only exists in the avs reality context

This weekend I hooked up my HTPC to the VP30 via DVI/toslink. With any audio output other than stereo my audio stutters constantly - you can both hear it and see it (for example, when watching a DD soundtrack the DD signal flashes on and off on my Pio AVR).

I know its not the audio input on the VP 30 because it occurs on both audio1 and audio2 and both of them work fine with other sources. I know its not the sound card because it functions properly when I connect the audio directly to my AVR.

Any ideas?

Thanks

The Precision Deinterlacing Card for the VP30 is now available to order on our website:

I will put the link here when it is actually fully active (Sorry for the tease) :o

How do we go about getting it for the 199 price?

Plus when you hit order it online, it is no where to be found so you can't add it to your cart...

Plus when you hit order it online, it is no where to be found so you can't add it to your cart...
Yes, it is not nice to tease us Josh. :p

True - the page and copy looks good, but it isn't on your ordering page. (in other words, me too.)

No fair, it's not even April 1st yet....... ;)

Good point, it could be an early April Fools joke...

I see the link to order it but it isn't listed with the items that are available to order.

I haven't tried it for 1080i, but it certainly switches profiles for different input signals - I have different profiles for 576i@50Hz and 480i@60Hz and just changing the input makes the VP30 auto switch the profile to the last one that you'd manually selected for that input.
Err... I set output resolution for display and it automatically switches between 50Hz for 576i and 48Hz for 480i. Must be 'Auto' by default.

Looking forward to trying the 1080i passthrough when time allows. (must... get... back... to... work...)

StooMonster

The Precision Deinterlacing Card for the VP30 is now available to order on our website:

I will put the link here when it is actually fully active (Sorry for the tease) :o

from the website :

----
This upgrade is user-installable and includes a DVD to assist in setup of your iScan VP30 and to evaluate the performance of the Precision Deinterlacing Card and other deinterlacers.
----

Can you explain what this test DVD is all about ? what does it contain in the area of setup (ntsc/pal?) and what test signals are provided.

Daniel.

We will release details of the DVD when it is finalized. Please don't tell me that the DVD is the reason that you are purchasing this upgrade.

We will release details of the DVD when it is finalized. Please don't tell me that the DVD is the reason that you are purchasing this upgrade.

Well that depends i guess on which models you selected to perform on this demo dvd :).

But i was wondering about this since it was new information i have not seen on this thread. Also i can see with the many new options we have more 'help' is needed in setting up the scaler. I can't see you shipping the HQV DVD as part of your product. What would be nice is if it would include the same test signals that are on the vp30 itself so you
can easy compare the direct and dvd signals.

Daniel.

What would be nice is if it would include the same test signals that are on the vp30 itself so you
can easy compare the direct and dvd signals.



That is one of the intentions of this DVD.

That is one of the intentions of this DVD.

Nice, good to see you are adding this. Some more questions feel free to ignore the ones you don't want to reply to at this moment *grin*

To compare the deinterlacer seems to mean you will include example clips correct ?

Will there be a ntsc and pal version or how will you handle this ? Since this new deinterlacer seems todo alot for us PAL people and i can't see how anyone with a vp30
in pal areas that don't want to upgrade.

Daniel.

Sounds cool Josh (add to my AVIA & DVE collection ;) ).

BUT HOW DO WE GET THE ABT102 IN THE *UK* FOR THE EXCELLENT INTRO PRICE???

Sorry to shout, but I've seen at least half a dozen of us ask before with no answer yet. :D

Although I'll probably be shipping my VP30 off for replacement this week. :(

(Do the currently shipping units all have the IR Lens replacement installs? Be one less thing to try to sort a source for ;) ).

BUT HOW DO WE GET THE ABT102 IN THE *UK* FOR THE EXCELLENT INTRO PRICE???

Sorry to shout, but I've seen at least half a dozen of us ask before with no answer yet. :D

Seconded (well, 7thed or whatever)

BUT HOW DO WE GET THE ABT102 IN THE *UK* FOR THE EXCELLENT INTRO PRICE???



don't feel special - he still hasn't told us over in the states how to do it yet either; and he has also pulled the link. Tho it did link to a neat picture and explanation - went there before it disappeared.

Yes, how do international customers get to buy the $199 Precision Deinterlacing™ Card?

If not possible (which I hope not), could we purchase the card through a friend in the US, and then ship abroad? Still talking the $199 deal...

This $199 card is for me the last lb which will turn the VP30 into a deal for me.

Btw... the link to the card is back up. ordering it is probably still an issue :)

Regards,

M.

We will release details of the DVD when it is finalized. Please don't tell me that the DVD is the reason that you are purchasing this upgrade.

I hope we don't have to watch the DVD while doing the install, because my DVD player is only connected to the VP30 and I can't watch anything without it. :)

I propose watching it beforehand or afterwards. Your choice ;)

Yes, how do international customers get to buy the $199 Precision Deinterlacing™ Card?

If not possible (which I hope not), could we purchase the card through a friend in the US, and then ship abroad? Still talking the $199 deal...

This $199 card is for me the last lb which will turn the VP30 into a deal for me.

Btw... the link to the card is back up. ordering it is probably still an issue :)

Regards,

M.

How do US customers get to buy the card. Definitely looking forward to it.

don't feel special - he still hasn't told us over in the states how to do it yet either; and he has also pulled the link. Tho it did link to a neat picture and explanation - went there before it disappeared.
The page is still there,

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_acc_abt-102.php
DVDO : products : accessories

Here's another pic I lifted from AVForums in the UK,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/pro_ABT102.jpg

Regarding purchase, I am sure Josh will let us know when and how when it's time, I wouldn't keep pestering him in the meantime. :)

It's not pestering Keenan, it's showing a keen interest! ;)

I presume US customers will be able to purchase via the website when it's ready, maybe with a coupon, the VP30 + ABT102 bundle is already listed with the discount applied.

I don't mind doing the same if DVDO want to handle the intro price internally rather then via distributors as either way will sting me for the 30% tax I'll have to pay in the UK so postage won't make a huge differance (so long as I've got a working VP30 by then :rolleyes: ).

Josh, I just received my IR sensor for replacement - will it be possible to just send the VP30 back to DVDO for the IR sensor to be installed "properly" and have the new de-interlacing card also installed at the same time for the $199 special price? Since I need both, it would seem like the best way to handle it since DVDO offered to replace the sensor in-house rather than me doing it and electrocuting myself or destroying the unit somehow. :eek: Details on how to do this would be appreciated. Thanks.

Yes another vote for the UK 102 board details :) oh and have people seen the nice new silver front for your VP30?

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_acc_isvp30_silverpanel.php

So Nacchio said the truth..... :D

But what will happen in september? :eek:

...

Yes another vote for the UK 102 board details :) oh and have people seen the nice new silver front for your VP30?

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_acc_isvp30_silverpanel.php
Oh no no no no.

Great idea though for those with silverness in mind.

No No No. Silver electronics is simply wrong. In this case, Black is the new Black.

So Nacchio said the truth..... :D

But what will happen in september? :eek:

...

When will we have a real 1080i deinterlace? See before line :D

Will arrive a VP 50 in september? see two before line :D

Will arrive an upgrade program for VP 30 in september? see three before line :D

And all is due to FPGA calculate power....... :p

VP30 is good product

VP30 with ABT102 is great product

VP30 with upgrade to VP50 will be a wonderful product! :D

ps

Josh send me a VP50....after this commercial on your product :D


ps2

VP 50 will have the new deinterlacer with the "same" software of ABT102 but in a new FPGA with more power (1080i to 1080p :D ). VP 50 will have a new mother board...the price wil be around........(no more news or josh :mad: )

Uh Oh! nacchio is talking in circle again...

VP30 + ABT102 = VP40
FPGA with 1080i to 1080p = VP50 in September

Josh@dvdo, for the VP50, lose the BNC stuff, coaxials too and add more component and hdmi outputs. Also, give me a button on the remote for 2:35:1 w/o OSD...I would be happy.


Steve

anyone else having problems with the discrete input presets not working, all the discrete codes that Josh posted back in this thread work only when they take a notion to :mad: this is very frustrating

the HD unit showed the same exact behavior with discrete codes, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't

what gives with this ??

-Gary

Uh Oh! nacchio is talking in circle again...

VP30 + ABT102 = VP40
FPGA with 1080i to 1080p = VP50 in September

Josh@dvdo, for the VP50, lose the BNC stuff, coaxials too and add more component and hdmi outputs. Also, give me a button on the remote for 2:35:1 w/o OSD...I would be happy.


Steve
more Outputs??

and don't lose the output BNCs, I use it for the connection to my plasma.

Agreed on the composite in and you can happily change the BNC input to 2 sets of components though ;)

So Nacchio said the truth..... :D



Many of us knew you were telling th truth ;) unfortunately not everyone like messengers :)

Roll on the VP50 and september... :D .....is it available in silver?, it is the new black, which was silver, which was... :p

And isn't that silver front panel link new too?

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_acc_isvp30_silverpanel.php

The black face plate matches my equipment, but I'm sure folks with silver equipment are happy to see this almost orderable.

- Collin

anyone else having problems with the discrete input presets not working, all the discrete codes that Josh posted back in this thread work only when they take a notion to :mad: this is very frustrating

the HD unit showed the same exact behavior with discrete codes, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't

what gives with this ??

-Gary

Yes Yes Yes. 16:9 & 4:3 always seem to work, but the others will stop responding after a while and the only way to get them back is to yank the power from the back of the unit.

Also, once I pressed the 4:3 button to change out of 16:9 mode and the unit got stuck in what looked like my Preset 1 aspect ratio. At this point the VP30 was completely functional, but I could not change the aspect ratio via menu or IR. A front panel power cycle cleared this one up.

I'd really like to see the discrete IR issue get addressed by DVDO. I'm surprised more folks aren't complaining. Using the menu is nightmare of a way to select aspects.

- Collin

anyone else having problems with the discrete input presets not working, all the discrete codes that Josh posted back in this thread work only when they take a notion to :mad: this is very frustrating

the HD unit showed the same exact behavior with discrete codes, sometimes they worked, sometimes they didn't

what gives with this ??

-Gary

I have the same problem with them. I personally gave up as they seem to only work 1 out of 10 times or so. Also, the 16:9 command (even on the remote) actually executes the USER setting and not the 16:9 full frame command (which is another discrete which I can not get to work)....

With regards to discretes which stop working; I am convinced that the VP30 is overwriting memory in probably many places (or one block) destroying stuff until power is dropped at which time volatile memory will be cleared/reset. I use the RS232 interface so I do not see it much.

My biggest problem has to do with the HDMI interface (yes, I know use something else, but I have three HDMI devices and I bought the VP30 because of the 4 HDMI input ports.)

It gets so bad that while switching between HDMI sources it sometimes causes the SA8300HD DVR to reboot while it is recording a show losing about 5-7 minutes of showtime. I do not believe it is the SA8300HD by itself because I have one directly connected to a plasma display and it never reboots. The other thing I noticed is that it lost audio (Toslink input) on one of the DVR's necesitating a reboot of the DVR. I believe that also was caused by poor handshaking logic on the HDMI inputs.

The SA8300 is not blameless as it should practice "Defensive Communications" but I do believe the VP30 is the main culprit.

I checked with the DVDO web site. the new de-interlacing board is out.
However price is $499. How does one get the $199 ?
Thanks.

Well, it's not actually out. Although the info page is there, if you click on the Order Online button, it's not listed as something you can buy - so I guess we're nearly there now, but not quite.

I have the same problem with them. I personally gave up as they seem to only work 1 out of 10 times or so. Also, the 16:9 command (even on the remote) actually executes the USER setting and not the 16:9 full frame command (which is another discrete which I can not get to work)....

Yup. Just to clarify what I said, the 4:3 and 16:9 user setting buttons on the remote always work. The true 16:9 & 4:3 full frame discrete codes fail to work with the same frequency as the rest of the discrete aspect codes.

- Collin

Hi,

A friend upgraded from a HD+ to a VP30 a while back. Now he want to connect his HTPC through the VP30 as pass-through. I know the old HD+ can passthrough from DVI in to DVI out. But I can't find such option in the VP30 OSD.

I checked DVDO web and found this:

*With the current software in the VP30. Software that allows these signals to pass through will be available on our website as a free user-installable update.

Does this "passthrough software" be released yet? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

Well I now see where you can order the VP30 with Precision Deinterlacing Card as a Package, but i still don't see the Deinterlacing Card listed by itself.

Yeah, the discrete codes don't work and I lose audio when changing channels half the time. Instead of coming out with something else too buy, I wish they would correct the problems. I doubt I'll live with losing the audio but so long.

Larry J,

What type of equipment (source) are you losing the Audio on, and how is it connected, HDMI?

I have a HR10-250 Directivo going into the Dvdo, HDMI for video, toslink for audio. Ever since the firmware updates, when I change channels I lose the audio, at random times. I have lost it a few times just by changing inputs but thats rather rare.

I don't remember losing audio on another input, but the satellite receiver is the only device I have hooked up that changes channels. I never got the pop or other noises people complained about, before the upgrades. But they said the color decoder wasn't right before them so I doubt I go back.

I haven't looked back over posts here tonight, but I'm pretty sure others lose audio also. Usually I can turn the DVDO off and back on, and the audio comes back. It keeps the audio muted longer than I'd like also, when doing something like changing channels. I assume that was part of the solution to that popping noise maybe.

So, I guess they know all these things and will try to correct them.

I have a HR10-250 Directivo going into the Dvdo, HDMI for video, toslink for audio. Ever since the firmware updates, when I change channels I lose the audio, at random times. I have lost it a few times just by changing inputs but thats rather rare.


I just turned Dolby Digital output off from the HD Tivo and everything works fine. Apparently lots of devices have trouble with the Tivo's implementation of Dolby Digital. It would be nice if DVDO worked around this though, the HD Tivo is a common device and this problem has been around at least since the HD+.

I don't really care about 5.1 for TV. What really annoys me is the occasional 1 second or so audio drop outs while watching a DVD. This never happened on my HD+.

- Collin

No No No. Silver electronics is simply wrong. In this case, Black is the new Black.
Black is so late-80s/early-90s ... shows your age. ;)

StooMonster

I prefer to think of it as a timeless classic ;-)

I just turned Dolby Digital output off from the HD Tivo and everything works fine. Apparently lots of devices have trouble with the Tivo's implementation of Dolby Digital. It would be nice if DVDO worked around this though, the HD Tivo is a common device and this problem has been around at least since the HD+.

I don't really care about 5.1 for TV. What really annoys me is the occasional 1 second or so audio drop outs while watching a DVD. This never happened on my HD+.

- Collin

Just about everything I watch from my HDTiVos are in 5.1 but I am using v1.00 which also isn't producing the audio dropouts. The color decoder seems to be fine the way I am using the VP30. The color bars look the same from my HDTiVos, DVD player, and VP30 as it did when I had the HD+ or when those components were connected directly to the TV.

Jason Turk posted a sticky on the main VP page that AVS is now taking preorders for the ABT102.

Black is so late-80s/early-90s ... shows your age. ;)

StooMonster

If you don't want black you just are not really into hometheaters we all know that the room has to be 100% black. including all the boxes and we need to tape all the leds. Infact we want dvdo to start shipping black velvet based boxes as to kill even more light to get the best blacklevels out of our displays.

Daniel.

Black is so late-80s/early-90s ... shows your age. ;)

StooMonster

and silver is so '70s... ;) ...I'm finally down to my last Marantz pre, and Phase Linear power amp. Once they're all gone, I'm finally up to speed, and back in the '80s - all black. :D

(not really - my stb is silver - I'm thinking about painting it, or as suggested above, gluing black velvet to the face. I've already replaced my rosewood rack with black.)

Jason Turk posted a sticky on the main VP page that AVS is now taking preorders for the ABT102.

So how do we place a preorder?

So how do we place a preorder?

Call Jason and he can set you up.

I thought you guys would like some pictures of my ABT102.

do you accept bribes ?

If you don't want black you just are not really into hometheaters
Really? What if your equipment is not underneath your display, or even in front of you?

However, I think it's a cultural thing; check this out...

If you visit Denon USA (http://www.denon.com) all the equipment on the website is black whereas if you visit Denon UK (http://www.denon.co.uk) all the equipment is silver. In fact, every Denon site except USA and Canada is post-black. Other manufacturers show similar trends too.

and silver is so '70s... ;) ...I'm finally down to my last Marantz pre, and Phase Linear power amp. Once they're all gone, I'm finally up to speed, and back in the '80s - all black. :D

(not really - my stb is silver - I'm thinking about painting it, or as suggested above, gluing black velvet to the face. I've already replaced my rosewood rack with black.)
Yes but 'brushed aluminium' is so ... now. ;)

Actually, I think two-tone is the new manufacturer's favourite. Check out the BlurRay and HD DVD players, mostly two colours (e.g. black and blue, or black and silver); and here in UK the new HDTV stb is black and silvery-white.

I am glad that DVDO gives us the choice, it's a nice move. Perhaps Crystalio may offer replacement covers in black next.

StooMonster

I just turned Dolby Digital output off from the HD Tivo and everything works fine. Apparently lots of devices have trouble with the Tivo's implementation of Dolby Digital. It would be nice if DVDO worked around this though, the HD Tivo is a common device and this problem has been around at least since the HD+.

I don't really care about 5.1 for TV. What really annoys me is the occasional 1 second or so audio drop outs while watching a DVD. This never happened on my HD+.

- Collin


Well, I've never had a problem losing 5.1 audio in the 2+ years I've use the HD tivo. I certainly wouldn't be interested in turning it off. The DVDO drops 2 channel digital also, not just 5.1. Also, like I said, it didn't do it on the first software version. Yes, get the audio drop out's, on both the Tivo and a HTPC.

I guess if they aren't going to correct it then I might go back to the orginal software. I didn't notice a difference with the decoder either, but DVDO said it wasn't right, so they should know. I thought other people were losing the audio at times also, but maybe not.

Well, I've never had a problem losing 5.1 audio in the 2+ years I've use the HD tivo. I certainly wouldn't be interested in turning it off. The DVDO drops 2 channel digital also, not just 5.1. Also, like I said, it didn't do it on the first software version. Yes, get the audio drop out's, on both the Tivo and a HTPC.

I guess if they aren't going to correct it then I might go back to the orginal software. I didn't notice a difference with the decoder either, but DVDO said it wasn't right, so they should know. I thought other people were losing the audio at times also, but maybe not.


I also had no audio problems with 1.00 but upgraded for the color decoder fix and now have DVD drop outs (Panasonic XP30) and periodic drop outs and loss of audio with my HD Tivo. Maybe DVDO can give us a separate firmware fix for the color decoder fix (like the 1080i separate fix) and we HD Tivo users and folks with the new DVD drop outs problem can go back to 1.00. How about it Josh?

Wishing DVDO would concentrate on the original product working consistently for both video and audio, so weird work arounds weren't required. I'm sure they are still focused on getting the original product, V30 without upgrades, to work as intended but we have not had an update from Josh on the outstanding audio issues in quite awhile.

I still have hourly audio dropouts from the VP30 and have had them with all software releases so far, I am simply using coaxial audio in from SDI DVD and coaxial audio out to a Sherwood P-965 Pre-Amp, nothing more, nothing less
this simple audio setup(No HDMI involved) should not be showing audio dropouts, no previous Iscan products(HD/HD+) showed these dropouts in my same EXACT setup, so I have no idea what gives

-Gary

IMHO the two main issues are the audio dropouts, and HDMI handshaking. I have not seen audio dropout from any of my component inputs, just from my HDMI related ones. The audio is always fed to the VP30 either via coaxial or optical, never on the HDMI cable.

It takes too long to sync up the audio, Sometimes I get a startup burst of very load noise (motorboating) when I switch sources. Clearly the Audio stream is humped up, but is straightens out very quickly.
I understand the pressure of new product, product improvements and all of that; BUT basic functionality like reliable working audio and HDMI handshaking is required. As a Judge once said - A toaster must make Toast!. The VP30 is not just a video scaler it is also a switcher for audio and video.

IMHO if the VP30 sees a valid display with HDCP protection, why can't it always tell every HDMI HDCP source that there is such a display no matter if that HDMI is the current input or not. It does not seem like a violation of license, or HDCP intent as the only video output is proper even if it is not being fed by the particular HDMI source at this time. I feel the HDMI problem occurs on switching and handshaking when switching inputs. It seems to work fine when changing stations on the same source (DVR or STB).

I for one am getting a little frustrated. I expected more, and faster response to this problem which has been around for a long time.

Question for DVDO:

ABT102 DL card is available at DVDO website for purchase but only for US, Guam and Puerto Rico. How do we place order for Canadians?

Thanks, VN

Well, I've never had a problem losing 5.1 audio in the 2+ years I've use the HD tivo. I certainly wouldn't be interested in turning it off. The DVDO drops 2 channel digital also, not just 5.1. Also, like I said, it didn't do it on the first software version. Yes, get the audio drop out's, on both the Tivo and a HTPC.

So to clarify. I think there are two problems that may or not be related.

1.) Complete loss of audio when switching from PCM to 5.1 sources from the HD Tivo. For me this only happens with the HD+ and VP30. This has happened on all firmwares for both units. It does not happen when directly connected to my receiver. In the Tivo forums there are some lengthy threads where many other receivers seem to have the same problem as DVDO with the HD Tivo. The problem is theorized to be related to something slightly out of spec the Tivo is doing when switching audio output types. I have not had any problems with Tivo audio once I switched off 5.1 output from the Tivo. I should note that I noticed the audio loss when switching between recorded programs on the HD Tivo. I'm assuming this is the same as the channel surfing audio loss people are talking about. I almost never channel surf live TV so I can't be fully certain that there's not another audio loss bug lingering there.

2.) Short, approximately 1 second audio dropouts every 1/2 hour to 1 hour when watching DVDs. My source is a SDI mod'ed Yamaha C920 (which is a changer based on the Panny RP-82 chipset). The player is connected via coax to the VP30. This did not happen on the HD+. This definitely happens on DD 5.1. I believe I've heard it on DD 2.0 and DTS, but I can't be certain. I don't know about PCM as I haven't watched many PCM DVDs.

- Collin

I feel the HDMI problem occurs on switching and handshaking when switching inputs. It seems to work fine when changing stations on the same source (DVR or STB).

I for one am getting a little frustrated. I expected more, and faster response to this problem which has been around for a long time.
I have drop out problems when switching channels on a Moto DCT6412 DVR but only on HDMI.

I am trusting DVDO to solve the problems. While I am not an expert as are many on this forum I can see by reading the various posts that different pieces of equipment have different problems. I guess HDMI is less than a perfect interface at this stage.

My goal is 4 HDMI devices feeding the VP-30 (40)(50)with HDMI to my display and receiver. I am close but not there yet with audio the biggest problem..

2.) Short, approximately 1 second audio dropouts every 1/2 hour to 1 hour when watching DVDs. My source is a SDI mod'ed Yamaha C920 (which is a changer based on the Panny RP-82 chipset). The player is connected via coax to the VP30. This did not happen on the HD+. This definitely happens on DD 5.1. I believe I've heard it on DD 2.0 and DTS, but I can't be certain. I don't know about PCM as I haven't watched many PCM DVDs.

- Collin

thats me right there, exactly my same problem

-Gary

Although this is my first post, I have been monitoring this board for some time. I have a VP-30 with HD Tivo connected by HDMI, a Brighthouse HD DVR connected by HDMI (1 and 2 respectively). In addition, I have a Denon DVD 3910 with SDI modified to the VP-30 SDI mod. Audio is connected to a Denon AV 4306. I run the audio direct to the 4306 after experiencing some of the audio drop off problems over HDMI experienced by many of the users. I am running the original 1.0 software. Today at start up, I got a "pink" screen with "snow" such as we experienced in the old days with OTA analog TV. It is the same on all imputs and alternates between a pink screen and being able to recognize programming overlayed by the pink snow. I do not recall seeing any mention of this problem in the prior posts. I called DVDO but had to leave a message since they were busy "supervising the final shipment of the new VP-30". Given the length of the release time, I can't believe the explanation for not answering the service call. One of the reasons I went with the VP-30 rather than another product was the rave reviews as to DVDO's service and responsiveness. Has anyone had the same problem? Is it a complete equipment failure or is there some solution?

Colored snow with HDMI connections is usually caused by an HDCP problem. Snow is what the encrypted data looks like when it's still encrypted.

Are you seeing this on the SDI input as well?

- Dale Adams

I receive the same thing when switching channels on the hd cable box with the different rez signals and source switching.

Jeremy

Although this is my first post, I have been monitoring this board for some time. I have a VP-30 with HD Tivo connected by HDMI, a Brighthouse HD DVR connected by HDMI (1 and 2 respectively). In addition, I have a Denon DVD 3910 with SDI modified to the VP-30 SDI mod. Audio is connected to a Denon AV 4306. I run the audio direct to the 4306 after experiencing some of the audio drop off problems over HDMI experienced by many of the users. I am running the original 1.0 software. Today at start up, I got a "pink" screen with "snow" such as we experienced in the old days with OTA analog TV. It is the same on all imputs and alternates between a pink screen and being able to recognize programming overlayed by the pink snow. I do not recall seeing any mention of this problem in the prior posts. I called DVDO but had to leave a message since they were busy "supervising the final shipment of the new VP-30". Given the length of the release time, I can't believe the explanation for not answering the service call. One of the reasons I went with the VP-30 rather than another product was the rave reviews as to DVDO's service and responsiveness. Has anyone had the same problem? Is it a complete equipment failure or is there some solution?

I got the same pink snow switching sources a couple of times while using 1.00. Unplugging the V30 for a minute allowed it to reset after the HDMI handshake apparently got confused (possible wrong color space assigned?). This only occurred when switching from the V30 output through the component to my projector to an HDMI output to my plasma. They are both now wired for HDMI and it no longer is a problem. Also, turning off the HDCP on the input may also be a way to eliminate the pink snow. Resetting it back on afterwards did not cause the pink snow to return until another "triggering" event.

Returning your unit will probably not fix your HDMI handshake triggering events for pink snow, so you might want to upgrade to 1.05 or 1.06 and see if that resolves your video issues. Just note that audio issues may then become an issue for you.

I still have hourly audio dropouts from the VP30 and have had them with all software releases so far, I am simply using coaxial audio in from SDI DVD and coaxial audio out to a Sherwood P-965 Pre-Amp, nothing more, nothing less
this simple audio setup(No HDMI involved) should not be showing audio dropouts, no previous Iscan products(HD/HD+) showed these dropouts in my same EXACT setup, so I have no idea what gives

-Gary

That's my situation also. SJ

I've lost sound effects on my HD Tivo with 1.05. I would like to go back to 1.0. Where can I download this?

Dale, yes the pink snow is a problem with the SDI modified DVD player as well. The only thing I did to respond to the problem is to remove the power cord from the VP-30 for about 2 minutes and then power up. No change. Everything was working until the battery ran down on the remote (RTI T2+) and we tried to access a D* program. If upgrading to 1.06 may help I am not concerned about the audio issues since I am not using the VP-30 for audio switching, although that is one of the reasons I purchased it! Any help or suggestions will be appreciated.

Ordered the ABT102 Precision Deinterlacing Card from the DVDO website with the discount. Let the timer begin :)

Ordered the ABT102 from the DVDO website with the discount. Let the timer begin :)


What does the ABT102 board do? What are the advantages?

Mark me down as a customer who has also experienced the pink snow but, only once in 2 months. I am using v 1.0 and all cables are component in and HDMI out. Hope that helps.

Ordered the ABT102 Precision Deinterlacing Card from the DVDO website with the discount. Let the timer begin :)
I hope it is soon. I put off my calibration again, wanting to get this card first. I am getting a little anxious. :D

ABT102 and sdi, will the ABT102 help sdi picture?

just ordered one anyway...

I've lost sound effects on my HD Tivo with 1.05. I would like to go back to 1.0. Where can I download this?

You lost the sound effects only? That might not be a DVDO firmware thing. I believe it's documented in the Tivo manual that the sound effects don't work over Dolby Digital.

- Collin

ABT102 and sdi, will the ABT102 help sdi picture?

just ordered one anyway...

Yes, the ABT102 card will help any SD signal, including an SD-SDI signal.

You lost the sound effects only? That might not be a DVDO firmware thing. I believe it's documented in the Tivo manual that the sound effects don't work over Dolby Digital.

- Collin

I assume these are the sound effects in the menus not while watching a program since I had the same problem. The sound effects work with v1.00. I lost them also when I tried a later version. I am using version 1.00 since that is the only version that works without any hiccups for me. I think I got it from DVDO in an email. I'm really not sure. I just know I had to install v1.00 and then also install an update that was sent me that corrected the 1080i in /1080i out problem.

How to update the VP30 software/firmware? My friend's unit is on 1.00

I downloaded the 1.05 .abt file and Tera Term Pro for PC. Install the Tera Term, config it according to the http://www.dvdo.com/update/update-vp.php (Transmit: CR+LF, Flow Control: Hardware etc). Select "Software Update" on the VP30 and got the "Please load the .abt file now..." prompt in Tera Term.

Select "Send File" and make sure Binary mode is selected. And select the 1.05 abt file to transmit. Tera Term starts the transmition and count the transmited unit. But the VP30 front panel still shown "Load .abt file now.." and never change to "Loading...*" as shown on DVDO's web. After a while the Tera Term finish the send file, but the VP30 is still at "Load .abt file now..". I unplug the VP30 power and tried again with same result.

What to do now? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

How to update the VP30 software/firmware? My friend's unit is on 1.00

I downloaded the 1.05 .abt file and Tera Term Pro for PC. Install the Tera Term, config it according to the http://www.dvdo.com/update/update-vp.php (Transmit: CR+LF, Flow Control: Hardware etc). Select "Software Update" on the VP30 and got the "Please load the .abt file now..." prompt in Tera Term.

Select "Send File" and make sure Binary mode is selected. And select the 1.05 abt file to transmit. Tera Term starts the transmition and count the transmited unit. But the VP30 front panel still shown "Load .abt file now.." and never change to "Loading...*" as shown on DVDO's web. After a while the Tera Term finish the send file, but the VP30 is still at "Load .abt file now..". I unplug the VP30 power and tried again with same result.

What to do now? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

This is just a shot in the dark, but in the TeraTerm Pro serial port setup dialog you could try changing the Transmit Delay to 1 msec/line. This was a trick on the HD+ to make the update work on some configurations.

Also, did you use the exact USB adapter they recommend? On the HD+ I tried to update the unit with a different adapter and couldn't make it work. I had a non-operational scaler for a few days until the correct adapter showed up in the mail. It would be nice if DVDO would spring for a little more nvram to hold a backup image so you could revert to the old firmware if the update didn't take.

- Collin

dual bios... would be nice if the serial was replaced with usb... stick a pen drive in and hit copy :) look ma, no wires.

but in a real world we have wires. i was talking to one of my co workers last week.. boy there are a wires in this datacenter. it would be great if you could make a wireless server...
downside you would get a cancer cluster the size of a turkey on your head in a matter of seconds walking into a datacenter. we have 5000+ servers in ours currently. we use over 80,000 killowatts...

Any news on UK order procedures for the Precision Deinterlacing Card for the VP30 with the Introductory Discount.?
:confused:

Li On,

Check the data rates in the VP30 for the serial port. It must be set to 19200. This is different from earlier versions of the firmware load process. If the VP30 serial port rate is set to something else, what you describe is what will happen.

Check the data rates in the VP30 for the serial port. It must be set to 19200. This is different from earlier versions of the firmware load process. If the VP30 serial port rate is set to something else, what you describe is what will happen.
I run at a rate of 57600 on both the VP30 and TT and do software updates all the time with no problems. One thing that is different is that the VP30 serial port rate now defaults to 19200 instead of 57600 (although this doesn't appear to matter for the update as long as you have TT set to 57600 - I just tried this to be sure). The hardware flow control setting is absolutely required (but this is apparently set correctly according to Li On). The only way I've successfully done updates is with the TT setting at 57600 and hardware handshaking.

- Dale Adams

Come on UK Guys lets ask again !

Any news on UK order procedures for the Precision Deinterlacing Card for the VP30 with the Introductory Discount.?

Li On - make sure you check every setting and box in tera term as per the online instructions. I missed one the first time thru (sorry - forget which one) and had same results as you. went back, reread instructions, found the setting buried in a sub menu I missed, put a check in the box, and all went as it was supposed to.

tho, if it makes any difference, I'm lucky enough to have a serial port on my computer - no adapters or convertors probably helps.

How to update the VP30 software/firmware? My friend's unit is on 1.00

I downloaded the 1.05 .abt file and Tera Term Pro for PC. Install the Tera Term, config it according to the http://www.dvdo.com/update/update-vp.php (Transmit: CR+LF, Flow Control: Hardware etc). Select "Software Update" on the VP30 and got the "Please load the .abt file now..." prompt in Tera Term.

Select "Send File" and make sure Binary mode is selected. And select the 1.05 abt file to transmit. Tera Term starts the transmition and count the transmited unit. But the VP30 front panel still shown "Load .abt file now.." and never change to "Loading...*" as shown on DVDO's web. After a while the Tera Term finish the send file, but the VP30 is still at "Load .abt file now..". I unplug the VP30 power and tried again with same result.

What to do now? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Li On

Make sure you follow the instructions on the download page for configuring tera term, in particular make sure you switched to CR+LF, and flow control to hardware. Even with that, the USB to serial connector that I got didn't work (failed at around 840K of the transfer) and had to unhook the VP30 and haul it next to a machine with a real serial port to do the transfer.

eric

I currently have the HD+. It was my first processor, so I wasn't sure what to expect in terms of improvements. Like may others, the most glaring need was a way to improve the quality of the images from SD signals. I was also curious to see how much it would improve DVD and HD images as well, so I started with the HD+. Before I decide to spend more money to upgrade, I have been waiting to see what updates DVDO was going to make to the VP30 or if they were going to come out with a new product that would dramatically improve image quality and compete with some of the more expensive processors.

I was wondering if DVDO could not provide us example images to show the improvements between the HD+, VP30, and the VP30 with the new Deinterlacing card. (Like some of the other vendors have done) I think that would be a big help in making my decision and might help with customer expectations. I apologize if those images are already available or if it is not possible. They could use examples from standard test DVDs or favorite scenes that many people would be familiar with. (Maybe that wouldn't work because of copyright laws, but they could come up with something to demonstrate the improvements) If it really works, then it should help convince people to purchase the upgrade.

Now that's a great idea! :cool:

Li On,

Check the data rates in the VP30 for the serial port. It must be set to 19200. This is different from earlier versions of the firmware load process. If the VP30 serial port rate is set to something else, what you describe is what will happen.

It takes a long time to update at 57Kbs, it must take forever at 19kbs.

It takes a long time to update at 57Kbs, it must take forever at 19kbs.

eight minutes? certainly no more than 10. I couldn't even find an option on the VP30 to go faster than 19. Based on the warnings, I wanted top speed myself, but 19200 (?) was the fastest option on the menu. And it really didn't take that long - had I known it was that easy and painless, would have done it sooner. :)

I thought it defaulted to a higer rate. I guess I was wrong.

Just got my PJ back and rehooked up everything. Now when the VP30 outputs 1080i@60 (essentially pass thru from cable box) the image is set at 4:3 and shows just a zoomed in portion of an upper left side of the image. Really odd. Wasn't doing this before. When I go directly to the PJ from the cable box with the same connection all is well. Any thoughts. Nothing had changed on my VP30. Hadn't even had it in use for 2 weeks now. Running 1.03 software (still getting fading audio--not complete from optical)

Andy

Andy,

Is your cable box set to 16:9? Perhaps your PJ is set to "zoom" a 4:3 image and your cable box is outputting 4:3?

Andy - are you sure you don't have the format set at 4:3 somewhere in the Vps signal chain? I'd go do a double check - sounds like a zoom and pan problem. Also double check synch, just in case that changed.

Yeah I checked but could not find anything out of the norm. I don't think its the cable box since directly into the PJ the picture is fine. When I go to format and try 1080p60 all is fine but switch to 1080i60 and the pan and zoom thing occurs without any other changes in parameters. It's really odd. I just unplugged the VP30 and I'll try it again later.

Boy I really wish Dale had more to do with the VP30. The HD and HD+ were never this buggy.

True - I had thought he was involved when I dropped the trigger - was saddened when he came into this thread from h@ll and told us he had nothing to do with it. (paraphrasing, I know, but I don't want to search 105 pages.) Still think you might have a pan/scan input linked to your 1080i format. Check your inputs. I just watched a Fleetwood Mac dvd, that was letterbox - non anamorphic. Switched input to "letterbox", viewed it fine. Switched to hd, watched some sd tv, then came back in a couple days to watch a dvd. VP30, correctly, was still set to "letterbox" - I was tipped off when Jessica Alba looked chunky. :) -ok Cartman, big-boned. ;)

Point being, had you been watching something in stretchovision at that format 2 weeks ago, and put the input format to 4:3, the VP will remember that until you change it. Sometimes the cool features of this unit come back and bite you in an unexpected fashion.

AaronWT, FlyingVee, Dale

The key factor in loading firmware is that the speed, protocol, and flow control settings match between TT and the VP30. When I got 1.05 I was running my VP30 at 57600. I use the RS232 control features extensively. When I tried to load 1.05, TT was set to 19200 ergo did not work. As soon as I put the VP30 at 19200 to match TT all worked well. I decided to leave it at 19200 since that is (at least as of 1.05) the default setting after a reset to factory defaults.

AaronWT, FlyingVee, Dale

The key factor in loading firmware is that the speed, protocol, and flow control settings match between TT and the VP30. When I got 1.05 I was running my VP30 at 57600. I use the RS232 control features extensively. When I tried to load 1.05, TT was set to 19200 ergo did not work. As soon as I put the VP30 at 19200 to match TT all worked well. I decided to leave it at 19200 since that is (at least as of 1.05) the default setting after a reset to factory defaults.
I set the baudrate on the VP30 (with 1.05 on it at the time), from the default 19200 to 57600 BEFORE I set the menu to firmware upgrade and that worked very well too - now 1.06 but still having audio problems :eek: At 19200 it would take a loooog time. Took over 10 min at 57600!

I think many are still having audio dropouts with 1.06. I am sure they are addressing this as we post about it...

With regard to firmware load times, I just go and do something else for 20 minutes. It is not like I change the firmware every hour or so. I guess the bottom line is that I am lazy. If it defaults to 19.2 I will use it that way.

I had a nice long discussion with Josh at EHexpo this afternoon. He reiterated that they are working on the audio and HDMI issue and will solve it (eventually; my comment not his).

I made two recommendations to him.

(1) make the scaler have plug in modules for the inputs. That way you could put in as many of a specific type as you need (within reason - lets say a max of 12). Ideally I would like the switcher to be a separate box (same form factor if possible so I could stack them) connecting to the scaler via a digital interface. The interface cable being anything from 6 inches to 30 feet. That would make it flexible and future connectivity proof. It would also make it easier (in some sense) to revise/correct an interface. Maybe some other company will build a switcher like that (Gefen?).

(2) Fib to HDMI input devices. As long as the single connected display is recognized as HDCP compliant tell every HDMI input device that there is a compliant display currently connected. Do this no matter what input device is selected to feed the scaler. This will keep a stable handshake and compliance data stream going to each HDMI input device. Most such devices have no problem as long as you do not keep dropping the display causing the box to reinitiate a startup handshake. I feel that is where I see a lot of the problems. Just my 2 cents.

I ordered the new video card yesterday and received an email saying the card would not be shipped till the second week of april. :(

Also, is there that big of an improvment having my Onkyo DV-SP800 upgraded to SDI? The component hook-up through the VP30 is awsome as it is!

Jeremy

I was told they would be in early next week...

Although it is not on the website, the Precision Deinterlacing Cards will be shipping at the end of April.

I still can't update the VP30. The instruction say if I do nothing when VP30 front panel shown "Load .abt file now.." then the VP30 will back to normal operation after 5mins. But the VP30 just sit there with the "Load .abt file now.." forever.

Btw the PC has a onboard direct serial port.

regards,

Li On

My unit actualy did the same. I think I pushed menu a couple of times then it woke up... Keep tapping the front display buttons. It will come around...

Just a quick Q to the DVDO guys, Ofer, and anyone else who has seen the new deinterlacing card in action...do you have any idea and/or feel to how it's deinterlacing compares to that of the old Denon 1600 - which I think is the DCDI? I have tried my 1600 both progressive scan, and interlaced, and on video, I get a much better picture now with the Denon feeding my VP30 a progressive signal. When I set the Denon to interlaced output, sometimes it seems sharper (film perhaps) but often, I see very nasty jaggies on diagonal lines.

Just to be sure I'm understanding everything, the new card is designed to fix that problem - right?

Thanks.

I still can't update the VP30. The instruction say if I do nothing when VP30 front panel shown "Load .abt file now.." then the VP30 will back to normal operation after 5mins. But the VP30 just sit there with the "Load .abt file now.." forever.

Btw the PC has a onboard direct serial port.

regards,

Li On

The bad firmware update wiped out your original firmware. There's only a serial loader left. It will never revert from the "Load .abt file now..." screen until you find a way to get a new firmware on the box. That's why in my previous post I was requesting more onboard flash to hold a backup image. Most devices I have worked on use a dual flash strategy to avoid this exact problem in the field. The cost of the extra flash more than pays for itself in reduced support costs.

- Collin

Just a quick Q to the DVDO guys, Ofer, and anyone else who has seen the new deinterlacing card in action...do you have any idea and/or feel to how it's deinterlacing compares to that of the old Denon 1600 - which I think is the DCDI? I have tried my 1600 both progressive scan, and interlaced, and on video, I get a much better picture now with the Denon feeding my VP30 a progressive signal. When I set the Denon to interlaced output, sometimes it seems sharper (film perhaps) but often, I see very nasty jaggies on diagonal lines.

Just to be sure I'm understanding everything, the new card is designed to fix that problem - right?

Thanks.

I have not seen the ABT102 yet, but based on its specs your general understanding is correct. It should look as good or better than the progressive mode 1600 in essentially all cases. The 1600 is based on the legendary Panasonic chipset which included a Faroudja DCDi deinterlacer. DCDis claim to fame at the time was edge adaptive deinterlacing which does a much better job at deinterlacing video based sources than the Sil504 in the VP30. According to the spec sheet and anecdotes from those that have seen the ABT102, the performance should match or exceed the DCDi chip in motion and edge adaption. The ABT102 also features improved cadence detection which I don't think think Faroudja is even in the same ballpark on. The Faroudja chip in the 1600 was famous for failing to lock on to 2:2 cadence for instance.

- Collin

The bad firmware update wiped out your original firmware. There's only a serial loader left. It will never revert from the "Load .abt file now..." screen until you find a way to get a new firmware on the box.

The VP30 revert to normal operation after I unplug the power and power on again. The firmware update seems never happen.

But the DVDO web instruction say if I do NOTHING (meaning NOT sending update from TT to VP30) while the VP30 show "Load .abt file now..", then it will revert to normal operation in 5mins. Then never happen. It seems it just hang there unless I unplug the power.

regards,

Li On

I know when I stopped an update midway it came up with that message. All I did was start the firmware update program again and loaded the version I wanted which was 1.00
.

Li On

If after a power kill, power restore the VP30 acts normal then the old firmware image is intact.

Ensure that the serial port speed of the VP30 is 19200. With release 1.0x (I think x was 3) DVDO set up Tera Term to run at 19200 because that was going to be the new default speed for the VP30 serial port. Then try to do the upload

There is either a macro file or the tera term ini file that controls the settings for the terra term upload, I just don't remember which.

Also carefully check the cable you are using. If the cable is bad (e.g. the transmit line is open) you will get what you report

The VP30 revert to normal operation after I unplug the power and power on again. The firmware update seems never happen.

But the DVDO web instruction say if I do NOTHING (meaning NOT sending update from TT to VP30) while the VP30 show "Load .abt file now..", then it will revert to normal operation in 5mins. Then never happen. It seems it just hang there unless I unplug the power.

regards,

Li On

My bad. Maybe they did include a backup ROM in the VP30. I haven't wiped out my VP30 yet. On my HD+ I had no way of getting the firmware back after the update failed due to the wrong USB adapter.

- Collin

Vee, exactly what Collin said, I watch alot of concert DVD's, 99% guitar stuff(Yngwie/Vai/AC-DC), and boy do guitar strings look nasty when deinterlaced poorly ;), jaggie city :mad:

I expect to see the new ABTcard real soon and I am so excited to finally see it that I can barely stand myself, I am expecting so much and I bet that is it even better than what I am expecting :)

I am expecting some film improvement also

I have plenty of troublesome Film DVD's to look at, like "Executive Decision" which has some flag problems and "Cape Fear" (De Niro/Nolte) that shows some combing and jaggies (mostly on Max Cady's red convertible car)

-Gary

About ABT102

If I understood well the ABT102 should improve video material deinterlacing:

- It should do that also for PAL land material?
- It should improve also the film material that has wrong flagging and that, at present,
is wrongly viewed as video material ?

About ABT102

If I understood well the ABT102 should improve video material deinterlacing:

- It should do that also for PAL land material?
- It should improve also the film material that has wrong flagging and that, at present,
is wrongly viewed as video material ?

Yes and Yes. Edge adaptive/motion adaptive algorithms don't care if they're fixing up PAL or NTSC. If anything the cadence locking improvements will help PAL users more, considering the plethora of difficult 2:2 titles in those markets. NTSC's typical 3:2 cadence is easier to lock on to provided its not full of bad edits or video overlays and I think the current Sil504 already does a respectable job with NTSC film mode. Dale assures us however that the ABT102 will be even better.

- Collin

Josh@dvdo,

Will there be a "soft switch" for using the new ABT102 so we can A-B between the Sil504 and ABT102? Or is it once the ABT102 is installed it is be default the deinterlacer (is that a word?) used.

Thanks.

Will there be a "soft switch" for using the new ABT102 so we can A-B between the Sil504 and ABT102? Or is it once the ABT102 is installed it is be default the deinterlacer (is that a word?) used.Once the ABT102 card is installed, SiI504 is disabled. In order to use SiI504, you'll have to remove the ABT102 card.

I expect to see the new ABTcard real soon and I am so excited to finally see it that I can barely stand myself, I am expecting so much and I bet that is it even better than what I am expecting :)
In my experience, hype and anticipation usually exceed reality. :D

- Dale Adams

The first time I got laid, it exceeded all hype and my every expectatation. Things got continually better after that when I started to access user adjustable tweaks and then there came available accessories to improve connectivity. Of course in that field, motion compensation has been the de facto standard for years.

The first time I got laid, it exceeded all hype and my every expectatation. Things got continually better after that when I started to access user adjustable tweaks and then there came available accessories to improve connectivity. Of course in that field, motion compensation has been the de facto standard for years.
And then you get older and the PC boards develop shorts, the pipes rust and spring leaks and you are back at the beginning with hype and anticipation. :D

I am using this settings provide by Tim from DVDO. My firmwire is 1.05. My plasma is 50" panny 8uk.

(TH-50PHD8UK on DVI) w/ TY-42TM6D DVI card (w/HDCP):

H Shift 292

H Size 1366

H Front 22
H Sync 112
H Back 292
H Total 1792
V Shift 3

V Size 768

V Front 3

V Sync 18
V Back 17
V Total 806

I am going into Output Setup >Format > 1366x768 and then hit enter again . I get into setting (ie H front ...). But to strange behavior.

1. I cannot save settings. Each time I go back into settings. Values change?

2.V shift and v back settings: If I change vshift to 3 the v back will change to 3 aslo. If i change v back to 17 v shift changes to 17????


Please help

Still...... any news on UK orders for the board ? Please... please... please...

In my experience, hype and anticipation usually exceed reality. :D

- Dale Adams

oh but Dale, I am so picky when it comes to video that a small percentage point in improvement will get me giddy :D ;)

-Gary

Mark H. and dlm10541:


LOL!

It must be Friday...you guys have great algorithms. ;)

UK forum members, I called DVDO today, they are aware of our wish to purchase ABT102 and are preparing a deal from local distributor. Should be rolled out in a couple of days. Suggest keeping you eyes peeled on net.

I just hooked up my VP30 and have horrible audio drop out using standard digital or coaxial audio ran through the unit. The receiver is a Denon. If I route the audio directly it works great. Right now I dont feel like im getting what I paid for. I hate field testing peoples products.

Bill I had the same thing once or twice, even some high pitched screeching a few times, simply reset and unplug and start over :mad:

with the current state of the VP30 you will never get better than one or 2 audio dropouts per movie though

-Gary

I just hooked up my VP30 and have horrible audio drop out using standard digital or coaxial audio ran through the unit. The receiver is a Denon. If I route the audio directly it works great. Right now I dont feel like im getting what I paid for. I hate field testing peoples products.Didn't need to read that. :confused: I just received an email that my VP-30 unit, ordered from DVDO on March 11, was just shipped this morning - UPS next day air. Now you got me scared.:rolleyes:

Hope someone here can suggest a fix for you.

Paul

Didn't need to read that. :confused: I just received an email that my VP-30 unit, ordered from DVDO on March 11, was just shipped this morning - UPS next day air. Now you got me scared.:rolleyes:

Hope someone here can suggest a fix for you.

Paul

If you have been reading this forum you must know the audio switching through the VP-30 doesn't work completely perfect for anyone--some better than others based on the particulars of their equipment/setup and VP-30 firmware version. DVDO is still working on fixes for this (aren't you Josh??? -- please chime in here at any time!).

However, if your systems video isn't improved enough to warrant sticking around until DVDO gets the audio bugs worked out you always have your 30 day, no questions asked, full refund guarantee -- so why worry?

I am sure they will get this audio issue resolved soon enough...

If you have been reading this forum you must know the audio switching through the VP-30 doesn't work completely perfect for anyone--some better than others based on the particulars of their equipment/setup and VP-30 firmware version. DVDO is still working on fixes for this (aren't you Josh??? -- please chime in here at any time!).

However, if your systems video isn't improved enough to warrant sticking around until DVDO gets the audio bugs worked out you always have your 30 day, no questions asked, full refund guarantee -- so why worry?

I'm not worried, just scared of the unknown. :confused:

On 2/19/06, Ofer LaOr wrote a VP30 Product Review @ http://hometheaterhifi.com/volume_13_1/dvdo-iscan-vp30-video-processor-2-2006-part-1.html

There he stated:

" Audio inputs include two sets of coax/optical S/PDIF (digital) inputs and a single analog stereo input (missing in previous versions). These can forward their audio through either optical/coax outputs or even through the HDMI output. Although some problems were reported with this conversion, the unit is supposed to allow HDMI inputs that contain audio (PCM or DD/DTS only) to be routed out of the S/PDIF optical and coax outputs. I have not tested this extensively, but reports indicate that this feature may need more work to finalize."

Although Ofer seems to be referring to HDMI, he apparently didn't test any of the audio inputs/outputs extensively?

Paul

The first time I got laid, it exceeded all hype and my every expectatation. Things got continually better after that when I started to access user adjustable tweaks and then there came available accessories to improve connectivity. Of course in that field, motion compensation has been the de facto standard for years.

I would hate to ask if that also came at the cost of $199 but someone has to make the joke :).

Daniel.

I am sure they will get this audio issue resolved soon enough...
joerod,

I hope I'm not reading too much into your posts but I've posted similar cryptic messages when I was "playing" with the beta of a beta of one of the prior releases. But if my hunch is correct this is good news.

UK forum members, I called DVDO today, they are aware of our wish to purchase ABT102 and are preparing a deal from local distributor. Should be rolled out in a couple of days. Suggest keeping you eyes peeled on net.
Thanks

After testing my VP30 last night with a SD feed (Analog Cband satellite channel) and I have to say, that it was definitely disappointing. I hope that the new deinterlacing chip works better then the one that is in it now, I would have preferred no processing at all compared to what it looked like.

with the current state of the VP30 you will never get better than one or 2 audio dropouts per movie though

-Gary

Now Gary, I've had my share of funkiness with the VP, but that is going a bit too far ;) - just watched War of the Worlds, Denon 1600 @ 480p thru VP30 (toslink) to Yamaha pre, via toslink. No dropouts at all, spectacular sound and video, probably pretty much as mr Spielberg planned it. I have problems with the sound during the starting menu of dvds; rarely have dropouts during the actual film.

So new people, there are bugs with this puppy, you might try the firmware update if your machine isn't running V 1.05; but dang, it sure looks nice.

vfrim - dunno about the feed you are viewing - over a good nstc cable feed, the results look very satisfying; if it is a highly compressed or low quality signal, the display looks correspondingly poor - maybe more so in comparison to how good it can look. It really depends on the source material.

One of the only programs I watch in SD is PBTV's 7 Lives Xposed. And using the VP30 with the Directv Tivo makes it very watchable...Thanks DVDO!

I would hate to ask if that also came at the cost of $199 but someone has to make the joke :).

Daniel.

that would be a new line of business for DVDO .....

Vee I have used all firmware released that have been released, including betas

I just watched Smokey and the Bandit, 90 min movie, I had 2 audio dropouts, I have tested no less than 10 different SDI players with the VP30 and everyone was the same, I get the same audio dropouts and frequency with all input sources

my guess would be the digital output needs some adjusting on the VP30, lots of devices have this problem with various receivers and pre-amps, I use a Sherwood Newcastle P-965

-Gary

Gary,

10 players (seriously?) ?

I have to admit I have never even tested audio connections on processor before. I always use my A/V receiver to adjust lipsync. The variation between film and video mode is relatively small in lipsync delay - so that a high enough value on my new Denon 4306 eliminates lipsync delay from every processor I have (including the VP30).

Lipsync delay is a nice enough feature and I would expect nothing less than perfection on this point from the VP30, but I would say that this is certainly not a critical point, IMHO.

Btw, what audio delay values does the ABT102 need for film/video?

Btw, what audio delay values does the ABT102 need for film/video?
It has a 3 field period delay, which is one less than the SiI504. If you're adjusting A/V sync external to the VP30 then set the delay to 1 field period less than you do now. This applies to both film and motion-adaptive processing.

Note that the game modes have different delays than this. One has essentially a zero delay (i.e., a small fraction of a field period) while the other has a 1 field period delay.

- Dale Adams

It has a 3 field period delay, which is one less than the SiI504. If you're adjusting A/V sync external to the VP30 then set the delay to 1 field period less than you do now. This applies to both film and motion-adaptive processing.
That's nice! I expected bigger delays...

Cosmos5861 -

I have a VP30 and Panny TH-65PHD8UK and I got NR resolution to work. Here's what I did differently than what you described in your post:

1. Do NOT select 1366x768 as the resolution. Select "User" then set the appropriate values.
2. Do NOT set the H-Shift and V-Shift. They are a combination of the other horizontal and vertical settings, which you should set separately. Once the values are set, you can fine tune with the shift settings.
3. Once you've set everything and have it working properly, then go into the profile save.

Here are the values that are working for me for NR 1:1 pixel mapping:

H-Size: 1366
H-Front: 34
H-Sync: 112
H-Back: 282
V-Size: 768
V-Front: 3
V-Back: 31

I hope this helps!

Cosmos5861 -

I should also add that I am also using the same DVI blade you have.

Cosmos5861 -

One more note. Check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=638211&page=1

It is the thread specific to Panny plasmas with the VP30 and NR.

dsalomon: Let me first say that NOONE is able to get the 8UK's to work with the HDMI card, I am glad you confirmed that the DVI card is the way to go as I did a few months ago.

regarding your settings, I find them to be significantly different from mine. I am wondering if there are multiple ways to achieve 1:1 or if one of us isnt 1:1. Did you try my settings to see if they worked on your set? I have teh exact same setup as you but, my numbers are vastly different.

I did not try your specific settings, but I have tried numerous other settings, some of which worked and some did not. The DVI blade is very picky - it's difficult to get it right. I also haven't heard of anyone who has been able to get the HDMI blade to work.

The 1:1 is related to the number of pixels, i.e. the 1366x768. Apparently, there are many combinations of the other settings that will work.

Once I got the 1:1 working through the DVI, it's very stable and the picture is incredible. One thing I did learn is that if you have the wobbling screen saver turned on, it will cause you to constantly have to adjust the horizontal and vertical size settings, so make sure you have that turned off.

Ofer

I have tried near 10:

Denon 2900
Yamaha CX1
Panny rp56
2nd panny rp56
Panny rp62
2nd panny rp62
Panny cp72
Denon 1600
Kenwood dv-5700

all of these SDI players showed the audio dropout problem with the VP30, along with my other devices, such as LD etc.

-Gary

Gary - just out of curiousity, have you run any of those via component instead of DVI? and if you did, did you still have a dropout problem? Wondering if it is an implementation problem with the SDI interface, instead of the VP30 as a whole.....

If you haven't, please humor us all, and connect component and toslink (or coax - whichever you use) and see if you still get the dropouts. If that works, you'd also give the guys at DVDO something more to concentrate on.

I have component on my DVD player and get occasional drop-outs (2-3 per movie). Audio is run via digital cable to the VP30 and then to my processor.

I have component on my DVD player and get occasional drop-outs (2-3 per movie). Audio is run via digital cable to the VP30 and then to my processor.

Is your audio connected via coaxial or optical? Gary and I both have drop outs using coax.

- Collin

Were there audio drop out issues with the Iscan HD/HD+, or is this problem unique for the VP30?

"ABT’s Precision A/V Lipsync intelligent digital audio delay technology to perfectly synchronize Audio and Video"

What Lipsync issues would you have if you don't use the VP30's audio inputs?

Paul

I was wondering if anyone has this issue. When I set the resolution format on my HR10250 to 480i, I can only get pillar box and no stretch of the picture to fit my screen. Also using a Sony KF50XBR80 for the display. When I set the resolution format to 480P same thing, but when I set it for 720P or 1080i then the screen stretches to fit. My TV is set for 16x9 and so is the output format on the HR10250. I am outputting HDMI to the VP30 and the input and output is set to properly.

The only reason why I ask this is I just ordered the new Deinterlacing card and the primary benefit of this card is deinterlacing 480i. My DVD player is set to output at 480i and I do not have this problem. If I can not fill the screen if I output 480i SD out of the HR10250 I will not get the benefits of deinterlacing with the new card. If I can only output from the TIVO unit at 720P or 1080i won't I not get any benefit of the new card with SD satellite? Not hat I can see unless I like to watch everything in pillar box.

If I was not to get the card I would still be using the VP30 as is, but watching SD satellite and having the HR10250 output at 1080i I will not see any PQ enhancements.

Curious to know if anyone can help me.

I was wondering if anyone has this issue. When I set the resolution format on my HR10250 to 480i, I can only get pillar box and no stretch of the picture to fit my screen. Also using a Sony KF50XBR80 for the display. When I set the resolution format to 480P same thing, but when I set it for 720P or 1080i then the screen stretches to fit. My TV is set for 16x9 and so is the output format on the HR10250. I am outputting HDMI to the VP30 and the input and output is set to properly.

The only reason why I ask this is I just ordered the new Deinterlacing card and the primary benefit of this card is deinterlacing 480i. My DVD player is set to output at 480i and I do not have this problem. If I can not fill the screen if I output 480i SD out of the HR10250 I will not get the benefits of deinterlacing with the new card. If I can only output from the TIVO unit at 720P or 1080i won't I not get any benefit of the new card with SD satellite? Not hat I can see unless I like to watch everything in pillar box.

If I was not to get the card I would still be using the VP30 as is, but watching SD satellite and having the HR10250 output at 1080i I will not see any PQ enhancements.

Curious to know if anyone can help me.

The HR10-250 is not the box to be watching SD with. It has it's own issues. I use my SD DirecTiVos for SD. The only time I've used my HR10-250 at 480i is when I'm burning a show to disc to take to my girlfriends so I've never tried expanding the picture. At the very least you should be a ble to expand the horizontal and vertical. I can check it out tonight when I get home though.

Ofer

I have tried near 10:

Denon 2900
Yamaha CX1
Panny rp56
2nd panny rp56
Panny rp62
2nd panny rp62
Panny cp72
Denon 1600
Kenwood dv-5700

all of these SDI players showed the audio dropout problem with the VP30, along with my other devices, such as LD etc.

-Gary

I sold my SDi player before I got my VP30 but I have no audio dropouts using v1.00 and using video and audio over HDMi with a Sony 975 DVD player(HDMI video out at 480i) and two HD-TiVos. I am using an optical Toslink cable to go to my Denon 3805 receiver. I also have a SD DirecTiVo connected with SVideo and an optical cable for audio without any audio dropouts. The HDMi out for video goes Samsung 1080P DLP set.

Is your audio connected via coaxial or optical? Gary and I both have drop outs using coax.

- Collin

Coax.

Were there audio drop out issues with the Iscan HD/HD+, or is this problem unique for the VP30?

"ABT’s Precision A/V Lipsync intelligent digital audio delay technology to perfectly synchronize Audio and Video"

What Lipsync issues would you have if you don't use the VP30's audio inputs?

Paul

I never had this problem with my previous HD unit. I don't want to switch my processor for audio. I purchased a VP30 to handle that which simplifies things for my setup (plus the lipsync, etc. - although my proc does allow for a general delay). They just need to get it to work as well as the previous models (HD/HD+)... SJ

Mine works well with v1.00 unfortunately the later firmware versions cause major problems so I'm stuck at v1.00 for now. They are working on some fixes so I'm sure they'll get things ironed out eventually. In the meantime i can look forward to the new deinterlacing card. Hopefully the problems with the later firmwares will be fixed by the time they have the firmware that makes use of the new deinterlcaing card.

OK, I'm a little confused. The as stated above, the intro price is $199 and MSRP is $499, but the web site lists it as $1,999 MSRP. What am I missing?

OK, I'm a little confused. The as stated above, the intro price is $199 and MSRP is $499, but the web site lists it as $1,999 MSRP. What am I missing?

the vp30 is $1999
the vp30+deinterlacercard is $2189
if you already own a vp30 and registered deinterlacercard will be $199 ($179 avs deal)
if you alreadt own a vp30 but did not registerer (i think before 1may this year?) $499

Daniel.

Gary (and all) - spoke too soon. War of the Worlds - no dropouts. Constantine last night - one ~2 second dropout about 2 chapters in. Otherwise fine.

watched Collateral last night, in DTS, on my SDI Yamaha CX1 with coax digital output

2 audio dropouts that were very very short, not enough for my Sherwood to loss the signal and have to reaquire

I think I am going to have to finally make the choice and route audio to my Sherwood directly and set delay there :(

-Gary

watched Collateral last night, in DTS, on my SDI Yamaha CX1 with coax digital output

2 audio dropouts that were very very short, not enough for my Sherwood to loss the signal and have to reaquire

I think I am going to have to finally make the choice and route audio to my Sherwood directly and set delay there :(

-Gary

Sounds like exactly the problem I am having. Mentioned it a while ago on the forum and it seemed then that I was the only one experiencing these short dropouts. Good (in a way) that its not just me and that others are also experiencing it. Maybe now this will move up the DVDO buglist priority as this bug really annoys me.

-Hans

Hello,

does someone know when the firmware upgrade for non linear stretching will be available?
And whether you can rely on that coming out at all when buying a VP30 now?

Regards
Ariomanus

Ref: Audio dropouts. I get these on my Sky box (RGBs into comp1, sound via optical1) - usually very short, maybe 1 second and I'd say similar rate to others, maybe once an hour? Doesn't bother me too much but would be nice to have it fixed.

Not noticed them on my DVD input (component2, Audio3 coax)

I am thinking along the same lines as Gary (running Audio directly to my Lexicon MC1 and setting a single audio delay there). I guess what I need to do is keep a before and after log. I do not see audio dopouts on my DVD players, or the Roku HD-1000 which I use for high quality music and concert DVD's, only on the DVR's. This makes me suspect the DVR's or the HDMI morass, as the DVR's are the only thing that uses HDMI, Everything else with audio uses Component. All systems use separate audio, I do not use Audio from the HDMI cable. Luckily I left the cable runs in place between the DVR's and component switcher to the Lexicon so it is just a matter of switching cables and setting the control system for the correct audio inputs on the Lexicon.

I am thinking along the same lines as Gary (running Audio directly to my Lexicon MC1 ....

I'm doing this now because of this audio dropout bug. Running my sources straight to my TAG AV32 processor. One thing I noticed is that the auto lip sync function on the VP30 is brilliant. However hard ive tried I cant get the lip sync spot on with my amp its never quite there. Its close but with the VP30 doing the audio delay its perfect. Must be this precision AV lipsync feature they talk about on the product specs. Whatever it is it gets the sync perfect and I find it annoying that I cant use it. Please Josh can you get this bug sorted out... pleassseeeee.

I dont think this was a feature in the HD so maybe the timing changes for the autosync is what is breaking the audio stream. Who knows.

Also is it just me or has josh abandoned this thread in favour of the other VP 30 thread??

Hans

Also is it just me or has josh abandoned this thread in favour of the other VP 30 thread??

Hans
What other VP30 thread?

I think Josh has been busy with the ExH show in Orlando, but then again he can (and should) speak for himself. Josh?

Hans, I have been holding back on running audio direct (bypassing the VP30) for just that reason. When I tried it I had the same issue with my AVP that you had with yours. Lip sync is a good feature, but they need to get it right and get it syncing up fast.

As of today I have switched my sources to direct connection to my Sherwood P-965, too bad :(

-Gary

Never had a drop out untill I moved up from 1.00 to 1.3 and 1.5.

Never had a drop out untill I moved up from 1.00 to 1.3 and 1.5.

I definitely had drop outs in 1.00.

- Collin

Just a note in passing; I am watching and active in two threads, this one and the one for the SA8300HD w/Passport software. What is interesting is that they are both about 108 pages long with some of the same people contributing.

I definitely had drop outs in 1.00.

- Collin

Always had dropouts too although I never had the screeching effects some said they had experienced, even with 1.00. All I have noticed with the software upgrades from 1.00 - 03 - 05/06 is that the time to sync to an audio format change on my processor has got longer and longer. 1.00 was the quickest by far.

Oh and for those other UK member waiting for pricing on the ABT 102 I just got this via email


"The UK will have access to the special introductory price. We are working on a solution for that and I will be getting back to you later on this week. Once we have work the solution out, it should be on our website. "

Heres to hoping the prices in sterling are similar to the dollar charge.

Hans

Heres to hoping the prices in sterling are similar to the dollar charge.

Hans

If it's less then £165 including shipping I'll be happy. (My rough estimate of importing via the AVS deal).

But as UK retail seem unable to calculate currency/taxes correctly it'll probably be £199. (It's a shame they seem capable of replacing the $ sign with a £ sign thou as we could get some real bargains for a change then! ;) ).

If it's less then £165 including shipping I'll be happy. (My rough estimate of importing via the AVS deal).

But as UK retail seem unable to calculate currency/taxes correctly it'll probably be £199. (It's a shame they seem capable of replacing the $ sign with a £ sign thou as we could get some real bargains for a change then! ;) ).

Well i can confirm that the price my dutch dealer gave me was inline with prices in the usa plus the normal extra costs. The first one shipping should be mine :).

Daniel.

Received my VP30 yesterday and it came with version 1.05 software.

First, I installed the "DVDO PrecisionSDI™ Serial Digital Interface Video Input Module", connected the video via SDI using a 'JVB Digital' SDI modified Oppo OPDV971H and output the video from the VP30 via HDMI>DVI to a Marantz VP-12S2 projector. The audio was connected via optical, to the Oppo DVD player and audio out the VP30, to a Lexicon MC-12 processor.

When playing the DVD , "Return of the King", I had one audio dropout, 1 to 2 seconds, during a loud battle scene. IMO, this should not be considered a "minor glitch", knowing it's not connected to an HDMI interface. Because of so many people reporting this, the problem needs to be isolated and fixed. Common audio optical and/or coaxial interface connections, having dropouts, should not be acceptable in any processor.

For those that have their processor connected via SDI, the VP30 Owner's Manual states that "the Hue control is not available for Component or PAL/SECAM inputs", but when I use NTSC SDI Video connections, HUE is also grayed out and I cannot use it. Is this correct and just not added to the owner's manual?

Thanks,
Paul

As of today I have switched my sources to direct connection to my Sherwood P-965, too bad :(

-Gary

Wow, I really don't want to do this. Has DVDO indicated what the problem is with the drop outs? So many folks are having them that it really can't be an isolated issue. they just need to make it work like it did on the HD/HD+! SJ

When playing the DVD , "Return of the King", I had one audio dropout, 1 to 2 seconds, during a loud battle scene. IMO, this should not be considered a "minor glitch", knowing it's not connected to an HDMI interface. Because of so many people reporting this, the problem needs to be isolated and fixed. Common audio optical and/or coaxial interface connections, having dropouts, should not be acceptable in any processor.


You know, Paul here has a valid point. If dvdo was selling these to theaters, and the theater experienced "one or two short dropouts" per film, dvdo would soon have a lot of b-stock to sell, due to the returns. For that matter, when I'm on stage, if my amp has a "dropout," for one thing, I don't consider it a drop out. I tell my tech the damn amp is cutting out, and it either gets fixed, flogged, or replaced.

The only reason I chose dvdo over lumagen was for the lip synch (and their reputation for customer service and responsiveness.) If we have to bypass the VP30 for audio, there goes half the reason for chosing dvdo; the fact that we are forced to do that eliminates the other half.

How long should we give Josh to fix this, given that it is a 2k piece of gear? Or more, with the dl card, sdi card, and pretty silver faceplate? :mad:

Anybody want to start a separate poll?

I must force upon folks that this is NOT a HDMI problem, I am using SDI DVD in with Coaxial audio in and simply DVI output with Coaxial audio output to my Sherwood P-965

lat night I watched Matrix reloaded with direct to pre-amp audio from my DVD, oh I forgot how sweet it was to have no audio dropouts :mad:

this problem needs to be fixed ASAP, I never encountered it even once with my old HD unit

-Gary

For those that have their processor connected via SDI, the VP30 Owner's Manual states that "the Hue control is not available for Component or PAL/SECAM inputs", but when I use NTSC SDI Video connections, HUE is also grayed out and I cannot use it. Is this correct and just not added to the owner's manual?

The SDI connection transmits a digital Component YCbCr signal, so technically the manual is still correct. However, it should probably be edited for clarity. It also omits RGB signals as having disabled Hue control.

Theoretically, you shouldn't need Hue control for these types of signals.

I must force upon folks that this is NOT a HDMI problem, I am using SDI DVD in with Coaxial audio in and simply DVI output with Coaxial audio output to my Sherwood P-965

-Gary

agreed, re-emphasized, and reiterated. I don't even HAVE any hdmi devices; my stb goes dvi to hdmi input, but audio is always either thru coax or toslink, depending upon the device. But the dropouts I'm complaining about are from my Denon 1600's coax audio out (or toslink - haven't seen any difference or correlation, between the two digital outputs.) Dropouts that do not dropout when the Denon is connected to my Yamaha.

and as far as blaming my prepro, if it had ever had a SINGLE dropout, I would have returned it. Who wouldn't? duh. but since the VP30 is new, that's fine. yeah, right.

-Is it possible to see an image of the VP30 with a silver panel anywhere?
Will the buttons and the rest of the case still be black? I'm guessing yes, as there's only info about a silver panel (as in front panel).

John I have had the front panel off my unit, the buttons are part of the panel, so the buttons will be silver on the new panel, here is a pic

http://www.dvdo.com/images/accessories/vp30-silver2.jpg

-Gary

Vee I agree, and that is NOT to say that HDMI doesn't have it's issues also :mad: I have seen them and that combined with the audio dropouts I am not sure I would be owning this processor, but I am not currently using any HDMI devices, but that could change ASAP if you know what I mean(Blu-Ray)

-Gary

I am getting a little more frustrated with the issue of audio dropouts and HDMI interfacing. At my age I have become very patient. Unfortunately we have not heard much lately about resolving the problems (post 1.06) but seem to be mired down in improving the product as opposed to fixing the product. Perhaps the DVDO team thinks we are willing to trade fixing it correctly for new capability. As far as I am concerned, the 30 day money back guarantee is automatically extended when the product does not work as advertised. Especially when it is hinted/implied that the fix is just around the corner.

Yes I want the new capabilities and have already ordered the new DI chip and already installed the SDI card. My SDI DVD player is unwatchable, due to audio and video dropouts. It is my only SDI source so I can not compare to see if it is the player or the VP30. Josh thinks it is my player, and I suspect he is correct. If it was the VP30 there would be a lot more screaming on this BBS.

I do not want to route audio around the VP30. I also bought it over the Lumagen because of the lip sync capability. I for one just want the DVDO team to get the product fixed and wish to hear nothing about any improvements or new features until that is done.

I understand the marketplace and the development problems with something like HDMI. But audio DO on component should never be the case. I would hate to see the DVDO reputation for customer service tarnished, or even worse changed to "they can't get the product right out of the box, so of course they need good customer service to make up for it".

I don't have a VP30, but am about to get one so I can use the ABT102. Has anyone tried using the analog audio inputs of the VP30 to isolate where the cause of the dropouts might be?

--Andre

I am getting a little more frustrated with the issue of audio dropouts and HDMI interfacing.
...

My SDI DVD player is unwatchable, due to audio and video dropouts. It is my only SDI source so I can not compare to see if it is the player or the VP30. Josh thinks it is my player, and I suspect he is correct. If it was the VP30 there would be a lot more screaming on this BBS.

My video performance is phenomenal. No video dropouts, ever. I'm feeding the VP30 chiefly with a JVB mod'ed SDI player and an HD Tivo via HDMI. On my HD+ I would occasionally have HDCP handshake issues with my display. Not so on the VP30. Not all SDI mods are equal. In researching them years ago there were definitely issues with certain ones.

- Collin

The SDI connection transmits a digital Component YCbCr signal, so technically the manual is still correct. However, it should probably be edited for clarity. It also omits RGB signals as having disabled Hue control.

Theoretically, you shouldn't need Hue control for these types of signals.
Thanks Josh, for the explanation. I'm glad the unit is working correctly.



To VP30 owners - Regarding the audio drop out issue:

I don't have a clue and I'm just guessing, but is it possible that the audio drop out problem may be caused by the very feature many of us want, "ABT’s Precision A/V Lipsync intelligent digital audio delay technology"?

Both the new feature and the drop outs are happening in the VP30 and affect the audio. Is it possible the feature may lack enough processing power, causing the audio drop out when delay is not enough or something like that? As I said, I'm just asking.:rolleyes:

Paul

Paul,

I don't think so. DVDO's Iscan HD and HD+ both had this feature and it worked flawlessly.

My video performance is phenomenal. No video dropouts, ever.
- Collin

true - and probably why I still have the puppy - that plus the fact that when I tried to send it back withing the 30 days, I was told, "You can - that is your right, but we have a fix that will be released on Thursday." Turns out V1.05 was released about 3 and a half weeks after "Thursday," and my dropouts are the same as before. Plus, as has been posted elsewhere, now there is a long, noticeable delay where the audio is muted upon input switching.

and that I can handle - that is a feature. I am becoming afraid that dropouts are also a "feature."

but yes, the video is indeed great. the VP makes good SD look like mediocre HD - can't ask for much more than that. But from what I've heard, so does the Lumagen.

Plus, as has been posted elsewhere, now there is a long, noticeable delay where the audio is muted upon input switching.

Yeah I think this is a big old band-aid for the folks who were getting the pops and shrieks. This muting occurs when I return to a DVD menu or even sometimes if I rewind a movie to catch a line of dialog I missed. I need to remember to rewind extra far to give the VP30 time to unmute audio. This was not present in 1.00 or my HD+ for that matter.

and that I can handle - that is a feature. I am becoming afraid that dropouts are also a "feature."

Me too. I'm beginning to fear that they have a hardware issue that can't be reasonably addressed in firmware.

- Collin

Me too. I'm beginning to fear that they have a hardware issue that can't be reasonably addressed in firmware.

- Collin

I'm not so sure about this being a hardware problem. I would be suprised if it were. I have only had one knock against DVDO since getting my HD, and that is the slowness of releasing firmware updates (or in the case of the HD, never releasing a firmware update that had been promised). Beyond that, DVDO customer service is fantastic, and the bang for the buck is great as well.

luckly i don't use my vp30 for audio switching... i use my sunfire preamp, but for video i haven't had any problems with dropouts what so ever... i cant wait until i get the di card. i just went to sdi and love it. hope someday they make a di card that does 1080i :)

What about the ones that don't have any audio dropouts? Why am I not having any dropouts but other people are. I just watched 1.4 hours of shows off an HDTiVo without a glitch.

We watched the Sopranos on Sunday nite with the DirecTv H20 (which for some reason has audio AV sync problems) without a single dropout. And I was very grateful the AV sync was perfect. I use the MPEG4 H20 for viewing alot of programs live and obviously I use my HDtivo to record movies. The only audio I use with the VP30 is the H20. The rest I adjust thru my Onkyo TX1000. I just have been experimenting to see if there are any glitches with firmware 1.06...I will try more tonite...

Me too. I'm beginning to fear that they have a hardware issue that can't be reasonably addressed in firmware.

- Collin

Well, that's me too (too). I'm running Vs 1.06. I've just lost my Comp 1 and HDMI 1 inputs tonight. Tried a power OFF (removed power cord from power point) for about half an hour, but no go. This on top of the audio issues - I'm getting close to a point of total disbelief that DVDO still haven't solved these problems. I said in a much earlier post, that I was afraid that the problem might be in the hardware and that software "fixes" would only be tinkering at the edges. I am beginning to think that I was right (unfortunately).

Like Gary, I'm not running a HDMI display, or anything HDMI. My connections and equipment is EXACTLY what I had on the HD+. It all worked faultlessly. Why can't I just have that back :eek:

How about some response from you Josh - let us know what's you are currently doing to try to solve these issues. Restore some faith in us mere mortels please.

P.S. I did what I would have thought NOT to do. I set the display output to HDCP ON. I don't have a HDCP display, so this should be OFF. But, that's what brought the picture back on Comp 1 and HDMI 1 inputs. Now, as we all know, Comp 1/2 DON't Have a HDCP setting - so go figure.

What about the ones that don't have any audio dropouts? Why am I not having any dropouts but other people are. I just watched 1.4 hours of shows off an HDTiVo without a glitch.

aaron -- are you still running 1.0?

luckly i don't use my vp30 for audio switching... i use my sunfire preamp, but for video i haven't had any problems with dropouts what so ever... i cant wait until i get the di card. i just went to sdi and love it. hope someday they make a di card that does 1080i :)

hope you are enjoying that Denon 1600 Bom, it seems that you are :D

you are correct in saying that, Video is perfect from the VP30, the occasional film mode combs from the current DI are my only problem, and we all know that should be taken care of very soon ;)

-Gary

Well, that's me too (too). I'm running Vs 1.06. I've just lost my Comp 1 and HDMI 1 inputs tonight. Tried a power OFF (removed power cord from power point) for about half an hour, but no go. This on top of the audio issues - I'm getting close to a point of total disbelief that DVDO still haven't solved these problems. I said in a much earlier post, that I was afraid that the problem might be in the hardware and that software "fixes" would only be tinkering at the edges. I am beginning to think that I was right (unfortunately).

Like Gary, I'm not running a HDMI display, or anything HDMI. My connections and equipment is EXACTLY what I had on the HD+. It all worked faultlessly. Why can't I just have that back :eek:

How about some response from you Josh - let us know what's you are currently doing to try to solve these issues. Restore some faith in us mere mortels please.

P.S. I did what I would have thought NOT to do. I set the display output to HDCP ON. I don't have a HDCP display, so this should be OFF. But, that's what brought the picture back on Comp 1 and HDMI 1 inputs. Now, as we all know, Comp 1/2 DON't Have a HDCP setting - so go figure.

this is not good Phil..... and is starting to remind me of the Toshiba J-35 (HD PVR with countless firmware issues released in Australia... currently in firmware number 71 or something.....)

I hope this is not the case.....

cheers,

Marcelo

Is it the end of April yet! :D

We are very much aware that some customers are experiencing problems using the audio delay feature of the VP30. I want to assure anyone who already has or is considering purchasing a VP30 that our engineering team is working to resolve these issues as quickly as possible and that this work is a priority for our company.

There has been much discussion on this forum on VP30 audio, and I wanted to address these issues, but I can not give you a timeframe for the release of the fix today. We want to make sure that we fully understand all causes and test with as much equipment as possible before releasing an update.

Some comments on this forum have suggested that we make the audio delay feature work as well as it worked in the HD and HD+. This is exactly what we are working to achieve. But The VP30 audio delay function includes an expanded feature set by adding audio input and output from HDMI and analog inputs in addition to the digital audio sources supported in the HD and HD+. This expands the number of conditions and cases to consider in the design and the amount ot testing that must be done. I offer this not as an excuse, but to explain why the VP30 is a different design. Some comments have suggested that there is a flaw in our hardware design. We believe our hardware design is solid. The audio chips we are use come from an industry leader in audio processing. They have been in volume production for 2 years and used in many other products before being selected for use in the VP30.

We aplogize for any inconvenience this may be causing our customers, and we ask for your patience while we work on a robust solution. We want to fix this as soon as possible, but we want to get right. I will provide timeframes when I know more.

aaron -- are you still running 1.0?

Yes I am still using v1.00, it is the only version that works for me without causing problems with either my Sony DVD player or my HDTiVos. I am happy with v1.00 right now but when the ABT102 is out I wonder how that will affect my setup since it will be a new firmware to use it. I'm also hoping the VP30 works well with the new HD DVD players that will be shipping next week. I guess I'll find out soon enough.

-Is it possible to see an image of the VP30 with a silver panel anywhere?
Will the buttons and the rest of the case still be black? I'm guessing yes, as there's only info about a silver panel (as in front panel).

The buttons and silk screen are black and the badge is silver/black on the new front panel. The top cover is not replaced.

We are very much aware that some customers are experiencing problems using the audio delay feature of the VP30. I want to assure anyone who already has or is considering purchasing a VP30 that our engineering team is working to resolve these issues as quickly as possible and that this work is a priority for our company.

There has been much discussion on this forum on VP30 audio, and I wanted to address these issues, but I can not give you a timeframe for the release of the fix today. We want to make sure that we fully understand all causes and test with as much equipment as possible before releasing an update.

Some comments on this forum have suggested that we make the audio delay feature work as well as it worked in the HD and HD+. This is exactly what we are working to achieve. But The VP30 audio delay function includes an expanded feature set by adding audio input and output from HDMI and analog inputs in addition to the digital audio sources supported in the HD and HD+. This expands the number of conditions and cases to consider in the design and the amount ot testing that must be done. I offer this not as an excuse, but to explain why the VP30 is a different design. Some comments have suggested that there is a flaw in our hardware design. We believe our hardware design is solid. The audio chips we are use come from an industry leader in audio processing. They have been in volume production for 2 years and used in many other products before being selected for use in the VP30.

We aplogize for any inconvenience this may be causing our customers, and we ask for your patience while we work on a robust solution. We want to fix this as soon as possible, but we want to get right. I will provide timeframes when I know more.

Thanks for the feedback Josh and responding to the forum. Not sure if the HDMI ON/OFF option works per input, but maybe you could put an IF statement around all the extra code for non HDMI audio sources! Of course, having it all work perfectly would even be better! SJ

aaronwt: that is funny that you mentioned your concern, Ihave the exact same issue. I too cant wait for the ABT board but, I know it will require a firmware/software upgrade and our 1.0 will be gone. I do not route audio through the unit but, have no problems using 1.0 with video. To get better deinterlacing only to have to deal with new firmware problems would reeeaaally suck.

Lets hope that DVDO is on top of it and will release a pretty solid firmware CD with the board.

Would it be possible to add at least a simple gamma correction such as in the following picture?

http://i2.tinypic.com/ot3fw7.png

I want to buy a VP30 however I'm going to wait until they get these minor issues resolved. Nice to know they are working hard to find the fix. :)

I'm running firmware 1.06 on a VP30 connected to a Sony Ruby projector. The VP30 output connects to a 36' well shielded HDMI cable which connects to the HDMI input of the Ruby. That works perfectly, except the Ruby's HDMI input does not support a 48Hz vertical rate.

When I use either a dongle HDMI->DVI converter, or a 6' converter cable to feed a 33' well shielded DVI cable which connects to the Ruby DVI input, the VP30 stops responding to any commands and there is no video. The only cure is to disconnect the cable and power cycle the VP30. If you power cycle the unit without disconnecting the cable, you'll see the boot message on the VP30 front panel for a couple of seconds, but after that everything is non-responsive.

I can feed the DVI cable with a switcher, or any one of half a dozen other sources and it works just fine to the projector, with or without a Gefen DVI repeater in the path. But no way no how can I get the VP30 to operate feeding the Ruby's DVI port.

Does anyone recognize this symptom and have a solution for it?

All equipment is on the same circuit leg and share a common ground.

Thanks.

--Bill

Is it the end of April yet! :D

Guys I just checked out dvdo site and it said "Shipping mid-April" !