sorry meant to say VA

Regarding this 65" monster, my main concern is the 1080p HDMI input capability.

I hate this - an announcement in August, then nothing... for two months.

So, has anyone heard ANY specs on the US version, or are we still in the dark?

TH-65PHD8UK now on Panasonic website:


http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=94912&catGroupId=14624&modelNo=TH-65PHD8UK&surfModel=TH-65PHD8UK


At 12K list price it doesn't look like we will see the 65PX500 this year in US.

Sergio

Any news? Was it launched NOV 1 in Japan?

why does it show
• 1,366 x 768 resolution

Why? Because...



TH-65PX500U consumer 11/2005 in Japan 1920x1080 1080i
TH-65PHD8UK commercial 11/2005 in US 1366x768 1080i
TH-65??????? consumer 2nd quarter 2006 1920x1080 1080p
TH-65??????? commercial 3rd quarter 2006 1920x1080 1080p

Just another tidbit of the 1080P release in Japan and MPEG4 I found this article:

http://www.hdbeat.com/2005/11/10/panasonics-new-plasma-records-to-sd-cards/

:D

Come on guys, we need to keep this tread alive. These new 65" pannys are going to be the big ticket items that many people have been waiting for since plasma was invented. If anyone has any new news to share, please post it here. Thanks! Can't wait to see these panels for myself!

Bump.

Any early reviews or first looks yet of the TH-65PX500U that's being released in Japan?

(Last I read on this forum it was delayed until the 1st of December for Japan. Is this still true?)

(Oliver Carmona, if you're reading, any insider information as to when this set will reach the U.S.? My wife asked me what I wanted for Christmas this year and I told her a TH-65PX500U. I know she wants to have one sitting under the Christmas tree for me on Christmas morning :) .)

I doubt it will be here for xmas, but first quarter is likely. The commercial 65 8UK is now available for under $8k! ;) but only 1 mil pixels not the 2 mil in the 65PX500.

Tell the wifey that you don't want it for xmas, but will take one for your birthday plus an HD-DVD! :p

Yeah, no chance for a US 1080p model in time for xmas, unless I'm very much mistaken. Of course you could ask your wife to important one for you from Japan. In that case please write a nice review for us here... :)

Does anyone know if you will need a generator to run one of these. :o

Tell the wifey that you don't want it for xmas, but will take one for your birthday plus an HD-DVD! :p

My birthday is in the middle of February. I'm not adverse to getting my TH-65PX500U then. Mr. Carmona, will my wife be able to buy one at that time?

Yeah, no chance for a US 1080p model in time for xmas, unless I'm very much mistaken. Of course you could ask your wife to important one for you from Japan.

If you know of a reputable and cost-effect source to import one from, let me know. She'd entertain that idea.

(Least anyone on this forum think I have the world's greatest wife for springing for a 65 inch plasma for me, she did say she was only going to pick up the tab for 5 to 10 % of the total purchase price.)

I doubt it will be here for xmas, but first quarter is likely. The commercial 65 8UK is now available for under $8k! ;) but only 1 mil pixels not the 2 mil in the 65PX500.

Tell the wifey that you don't want it for xmas, but will take one for your birthday plus an HD-DVD! :p

does anyone know the difference between the 2? will the glass and stuff be the same? picture quality, etc?

wassy: if you read through this entire thread you will find out that very little to no details have been released regarding the US version. In fact, it hasn't even been anounced yet for export outside of Japan.


Date:

Originally Posted by pclausen
TH-65PX500U consumer 11/2005 in Japan 1920x1080 1080i
TH-65PHD8UK commercial 11/2005 in US 1366x768 1080i
TH-65??????? consumer 2nd quarter 2006 1920x1080 1080p
TH-65??????? commercial 3rd quarter 2006 1920x1080 1080p


The supposed difference between the consumer vs. commercial w/ respect to this 1080p panel would be the normal differences (see Panasonic FAQ) plus the capability of accepting a 1080p signal through HDMI. For more info on this please searth this thread for posts by CaptainPike - he saw the commercial model operational at a German conference.

Saw the Penny on display in Japan this week. It was next to the monster Sharp. Overall, the same comparison holds wrt to smaller LCDs relative to Plasmas. Unfortunately, the Yodobashi camera stores has terrible fluorescent lights just a few feet above these displays so I could not do any critical viewing. Overall though, it was an impressive sight to be sitting so close to these monsters radiating such large images!

BTW, the Sharp had uneven backlight/display. It had a strange distortion in a static part of the screen. The plasma did not of course. But as noted above, in the bright room, the Sharp was much punchier with no reflections of the screen.

Anyway, sorry about not having more info. I was not interested in the set so didn't pay too much attention other than watching them all for a few minutes.

Amir

I've read, and read.... and read even more.. great forum. I guess I am trying to get real life comparo's from the 8th generation professional to the consumer or even the Pioneer Elite PRO1410... would like to make a decision soon. Also, 65" might be a tad too big for 11-13' viewing distance? 50" has a great picture and a great selection, but might be a bit too small!

On viewing distance, I was sitting just 4-6 feet away watching an HD feed and it was absolutely enjoyable! Of course, poor SD quality may make you throw up given the same distance....

Amir

I've read, and read.... and read even more.. great forum. I guess I am trying to get real life comparo's from the 8th generation professional to the consumer or even the Pioneer Elite PRO1410... would like to make a decision soon. Also, 65" might be a tad too big for 11-13' viewing distance? 50" has a great picture and a great selection, but might be a bit too small!

I sit about 12 feet from my 657UY and I love it. I had a NEC which is really the same panel as the 1410. There is no comparison. The Panasonic is much better due to its:

- 3x better black levels
- 5 Inches bigger
- Support native rate via DVI
- Lack of persistence (image retention)

-- Rich

the 50" range of Plasmas are much vaster than larger... many more choices.. would i be happy with 50" at that distance?

also, Hitachi just came out with a new Directors series at 55" that is supposed to be a killer set

On viewing distance, I was sitting just 4-6 feet away watching an HD feed and it was absolutely enjoyable! Of course, poor SD quality may make you throw up given the same distance....
No SDE on the 65" Panasonic at that viewing distance? What was your impression about fill size on the Pany? Thanks!

Are any of the manufacturers planning on a 50" 1920x1080 panel? If so, who and when?

At 11" viewing distance is there noticable amount of gain in PQ with 1920x1080 vs 1366x768 in the 50" size? I realize that this is probably going back to the ED vs. HD debate.

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier on this thread, but it's too much for me to go through right now.

Looks like only 1 HDMI :(

A CAT 5 connection LAN ?

2 Firewire?

USB?

2xDVI?

http://panasonic.jp/viera/products/65px500/view_b.html

Looks like only 1 HDMI :(

A CAT 5 connection LAN ?

2 Firewire?

USB?

2xDVI?

http://panasonic.jp/viera/products/65px500/view_b.html

I'd say you're right. Only 1 HDMI connection is a bummer. Still, this is the Japanese version. It's possible that the U.S. model could be changed to accomodate 2 (or more) HDMI connections.

Any reviews in the current Japanese video magazines floating around on this set yet?

Looks like only 1 HDMI :(

A CAT 5 connection LAN ?

2 Firewire?

USB?

2xDVI?

http://panasonic.jp/viera/products/65px500/view_b.html

The inputs on the US model will be completely different. The 2 inputs you are trying to identify are Japanese-only "D Terminal" connections.

Plus, for the people who plan on getting the commercial version (whenever that happens), two seperate blades could be installed if desired

Anyone heard if Panasonic will showcase any of the new units at CES? We only have a few weeks left until the show.

I talked to some Panasonic reps involved with the CES show. Unfortunately they wouldn't give me any real info - they say that the displays are always revealed at the show, not before-hand. Although someone posted on another forum that Panasonic was going to be displaying a 100 inch mass production model plasma! (Apparently hoteliers were sent emails, with such details to entice them to the show).

The rep wouldn't comment on whether the North American version of the 65" 1080p model would accept 1080p input, but he did say that we should expect it to be slightly different - slight re-jigging or adding of features - vs the Japanese version. Just because slight feature changes are often the case between the Japanese/North American models.

FWIW...

Looks like only 1 HDMI :(
A CAT 5 connection LAN ?
2 Firewire?
USB?
2xDVI?
http://panasonic.jp/viera/products/65px500/view_b.html
No component? Am I missing something? I guess it doesn't really matter, since it will probably be out of my price range.

Decisions, decisions should I wait for these to hit the market hoping the 50" plasmas will drop in price?

The rep wouldn't comment on whether the North American version of the 65" 1080p model would accept 1080p input, but he did say that we should expect it to be slightly different - slight re-jigging or adding of features - vs the Japanese version. Just because slight feature changes are often the case between the Japanese/North American models.

FWIW...

Hmm, that is very good and interesting news.

Are any of the manufacturers planning on a 50" 1920x1080 panel? If so, who and when?

At 11" viewing distance is there noticable amount of gain in PQ with 1920x1080 vs 1366x768 in the 50" size? I realize that this is probably going back to the ED vs. HD debate.

Sorry if this has been mentioned earlier on this thread, but it's too much for me to go through right now.

----

Looks like Fujitsu/Hitachi have a 42" plasma on the way. Check out the details at Engadget.

50" 1366x768 vs 1920x1080 @ 11' Same PQ?

No.

As long as you have a computer a nice high resolution digital picture, try this simple experiment: since 1920x1080 TV has a density of roughly 2x more than 1366x768 - set your computer monitor to resolution A and step back 11'. Next set the resution to one-half (e.g. resolution B) and step back 11' feet. After mentally comparing both you shouldnt see a difference.

As you can tell, the intent is to compare resolution density and is not necessarily the same as watching a 50" screen, but none the less the point can be illustrated.

50" 1366x768 vs 1920x1080 @ 11' Same PQ?

No.

As long as you have a computer a nice high resolution digital picture, try this simple experiment: since 1920x1080 TV has a density of roughly 2x more than 1366x768 - set your computer monitor to resolution A and step back 11'. Next set the resution to one-half (e.g. resolution B) and step back 11' feet. After mentally comparing both you shouldnt see a difference.

As you can tell, the intent is to compare resolution density and is not necessarily the same as watching a 50" screen, but none the less the point can be illustrated.
Thanks, Comparing different resolutions on a computer monitor illustrates the point, but does not compare to how it would differ on a 50" monitor.

Just as there is a certain viewing distance where it is difficult to see the difference between ED(480) and HD(768), I assume that the same thing exists between 720HD and 1080HD.

That distance for ED vs HD is 8'-12' depending on who you ask. I guess we won't really know what that distance is until we can do actual comparisons. Right now the closest you can probably come to doing this right now would be to compare 1080 and 768 resolutions in 45" LCD panels at different distances. Again, you are not likely to find a place with these 2 LCD's on display side by side.

I know some of the guys here did some mathematical formula to determine the for HD vs ED. Maybe someone can do the same for 768 vx 1080 in the 50" size.

Plus, for the people who plan on getting the commercial version (whenever that happens), two seperate blades could be installed if desired

I think the hope is that the 9U 65" models will indeed be 1920x1080. It certainly makes sense for them to be.

With such a commercial model, one might have better luck time using Powerstrip to coax display a 1080p signal. After all, even my 50" 7UY will take a 1920x1080@60 signal over VGA, despite it not being supported. Now granted the real important part will be getting that signal over DVI or HDMI. But even if the current blades don't support that, there's still a possibility (maybe even a good possibility) that an update DVI or HDMI blade will ship next year that does support.

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Looks like Fujitsu/Hitachi have a 42" plasma on the way. Check out the details at Engadget.



Fujitsu and Hitachi have reached a new “low” in the somewhat humorous competition among display manufacturers to produce the “world’s smallest” 1080p plasma. The new 1920 x 1080 42-inch PDP snatches the title from previous record holder Panasonic, whose 50-inch model seems positively huge in comparison. This 16:9 widescreen features a 3000:1 contrast ratio and 1000 cd/m2 brightness—no word yet on pricing or availability, but we’ll be following this story closely, as you can be sure that the 42-incher isn’t the last contender we’ll see in this heated battle.

Thanks, Comparing different resolutions on a computer monitor illustrates the point, but does not compare to how it would differ on a 50" monitor.


Sure.

I am not saying set your computer monitor to those resolutions. Clearly that is incorrect. Infact, the best way is to match best you can to the dot pitch of your monitor combined with display resolution to the dot pitch for a 50" ED screen . As long as you can double or halve the density of pixels it will give you the same perceived resolution as a 50" @ 11' but obviously not the area. We are playing a scale game here. Done right it will work. Plus you can do it in your own home.

Also, remember any calculations done are for the average viewer. Various formulas are floating around and that is why the large discrepancy.

Sure.

I am not saying set your computer monitor to those resolutions. Clearly that is incorrect. Infact, the best way is to match best you can to the dot pitch of your monitor combined with display resolution to the dot pitch for a 50" ED screen . As long as you can double or halve the density of pixels it will give you the same perceived resolution as a 50" @ 11' but obviously not the area. We are playing a scale game here. Done right it will work. Plus you can do it in your own home.

Also, remember any calculations done are for the average viewer. Various formulas are floating around and that is why the large discrepancy.

I see what you are saying. I'll try to simulate the pixel pitch to match 768 and 1080 on my monitor. I'll let you know what my findings are. I'll probably use two different resolution jpegs to simulate.

I talked to some Panasonic reps involved with the CES show. Unfortunately they wouldn't give me any real info - they say that the displays are always revealed at the show, not before-hand. Although someone posted on another forum that Panasonic was going to be displaying a 100 inch mass production model plasma! (Apparently hoteliers were sent emails, with such details to entice them to the show).

The rep wouldn't comment on whether the North American version of the 65" 1080p model would accept 1080p input, but he did say that we should expect it to be slightly different - slight re-jigging or adding of features - vs the Japanese version. Just because slight feature changes are often the case between the Japanese/North American models.

FWIW...

Thanks for the info! Wonder if the 100" panny is true or just fluff. Probably will be way out of sight as far as pricing goes (if it even exsists). My guess is it is Panasonics attempt to put one up on Samsung's 102" plasma and will be a "demo for CES" prototype only. Would be cool to see it though :)

I'm looking forward to the next CES show...has anyone heard any early indication that Panansonic will release more detailed info on the 65" 1080P commerical model (hopefully with 1080P through HDMI) at CES?

I just finished up reading through all 18 pages of this forum and am really excited about this model. I currently have a four year old 65" Mits HD rear projection beast in my living room that will likely become a casualty over the next year as a result of me proposing to my girlfriend (granted, it belongs more in a basement entertainment room than a living room).

I came close to buying the 50PHD8UK for the living room but I couldn't bring myself to give up the extra size of a 65" screen, especially while watching DVD's or football.

Freeing up the space by hanging the unit on the wall, keeping 65" of HD heaven, 1080P, and hopefully an affordable price is too good to be true. Now I will just have to concentrate on reloading the savings account after the ring purchase :).

Looks like any new news concerning the new 65" panny's will hit the web on the evening of the 4th, just 15 days to go! I am surprised that this forum has been relatively quiet since we are so close to CES. I guess the holidays have everyone pre-occupied :)

Maybe it's because Panny & the other mfg'ers have been realitively quiet themselves on any new product info & releases. Reasoning is probably tied to the busy Christmas sales season and not wanting to interupt the marketing push for their current products.

Well today's the day. Anyone spotted this unit yet at CES?

Pioneer announced their 50" 1080p plasma.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626146

Pioneer announced their 50" 1080p plasma.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626146
Hmmm, let's see, 65" Panny 1080p or 50" Pio 1080p for a grand more. Tough decision ;).


ron

But I don't want to pay $10k for a 50" 1920x1080.

I want to pay $8k for a 65" 1920x1080. :)

You beat me to it ron.

But I don't want to pay $10k for a 50" 1920x1080.

I want to pay $8k for a 65" 1920x1080. :)

Me too! Except, I'd love some change :D

Here's a link to the press release. Availability is this summer with no pricing yet. Panel improvements as well, although the 65" won't have the 10,000:1 contrast ratio of the other models.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626355

Here's a link to the press release. Availability is this summer with no pricing yet. Panel improvements as well, although the 65" won't have the 10,000:1 contrast ratio of the other models.



Yeah, as I posted in the other thread that drove me friggin' nuts. The contrast ratio improves dramatically in every panel except the one I'm interested in!!!.

Sheesh.

Time to resurrect this thread?

Stopped by my local BB and CC today and was looking to see if anything was in their systems on the new 65" Panny Plasma...Both stores informed me they would not be carrying it...not even in the warehouse......50" was going to be the largest....Can anyone verify this?

Thanks,

Randy

Hey Rich I was in BayBloor today, was scoping out the 65 mainfloor centre/top wall. A few things struck me. No longer looks as big as it did when I first saw it. But still makes the Pioneer 61 and Panny 50 look small. You know the resolution at 720p really is pretty good , I was standing oh about 10 feet from the screen my eyes could not notice any pixel structure at that distance. And the blacks looked pretty darn good. In fact really just a much bigger version of my 42PX500U with perhaps a minor loss of resolution.
Anyway the sales rep. said the 65 1080p would be in at the end of April '06, so here's hoping....
On another subject I went in the room behind the big 65 and sat in one of those brown IKEA leather chairs (which cost about 5% of what I paid for my Italian leather Ferretti chair from Sound Design but i digress) and watched the Sharp Aquos 65 and the Sony 60 SXRD on the other side of the room, with the Bravia behind me. As to the Sharp , really impressive resolution although I couldnt side by side with the Panny 65 it was definitely a step up , so the Panny 65 1080p should be a treat. Back to the Sharp is it just me or do the Sharp LCD and the Sony Bravia come across as overly bright like in changing up a light bulb from 60watt to 100watt. Wow, too much for these eyes for any period of time. And despite the C$25K tab on the Sharp and the Sony 60 SXRD for 20% of that price, they still dont have the black levels of plasma.
If they do some serious price chopping on the current Panny 65 I may pick one up otherwise I'll wait with the rest of the gang here for the 65 in 1080p.

Trunorth,

I feel the same way about the brightness of the LCDs. Just too much. Of course you can turn them down, but you also start to squash their dynamic range that way too (since the black levels aren't terribly high). Still, I was just watching some DVDs on my Imac g5 20" LCD screen and it looked surprisingly good. Amazing in some ways.

BTW, I find the Panasonic 65" at Bay Bloor looks pretty crappy. I've yet to see it look good there - whatever they've done to the feed or set-up is making it look quite soft and mushy, even with the HD feeds. Over at Kromer it looks much better (they have the Onyx version - I don't think it's better at Kromer because it's Onyx, rather it's due to a dedicated set-up, better lighting conditions etc.)

I'd expect the "8UY" version looks even clearer due to the sub-pixel controller, given that the 8th gen 50" panels strike me as sharper than the previous gen. That, combined with the increase to 1080p screen resolution should indeed make for a "treat" when the new 65" version arrives.

I do find the Panasonic 65" does look somewhat smaller at Bay Bloor in that neck-cranking set-up, bright lights, and surrounded by the wall-o-plasma. But at Kromer when you see it eye height, at a normal seating distance, alone on the wall with the lights dimmed it still looks impressively large. I've often enough gone from viewing the projectors at Kromer and, when sitting around 9, 10 feet from the Panny 65" thought "Man, this thing still looks pretty big."

Trunorth,

I feel the same way about the brightness of the LCDs. Just too much. Of course you can turn them down, but you also start to squash their dynamic range that way too (since the black levels aren't terribly high). Still, I was just watching some DVDs on my Imac g5 20" LCD screen and it looked surprisingly good. Amazing in some ways.

BTW, I find the Panasonic 65" at Bay Bloor looks pretty crappy. I've yet to see it look good there - whatever they've done to the feed or set-up is making it look quite soft and mushy, even with the HD feeds. Over at Kromer it looks much better (they have the Onyx version - I don't think it's better at Kromer because it's Onyx, rather it's due to a dedicated set-up, better lighting conditions etc.)

I'd expect the "8UY" version looks even clearer due to the sub-pixel controller, given that the 8th gen 50" panels strike me as sharper than the previous gen. That, combined with the increase to 1080p screen resolution should indeed make for a "treat" when the new 65" version arrives.

I do find the Panasonic 65" does look somewhat smaller at Bay Bloor in that neck-cranking set-up, bright lights, and surrounded by the wall-o-plasma. But at Kromer when you see it eye height, at a normal seating distance, alone on the wall with the lights dimmed it still looks impressively large. I've often enough gone from viewing the projectors at Kromer and, when sitting around 9, 10 feet from the Panny 65" thought "Man, this thing still looks pretty big."


Hi,

I just wanted to see if this would revive this thread, for the few of us that are interested in the TH-65PX600U. I know I am.

So now would be the time for those of you that posted in the other Panasonic thread, that you wanted to revive this thread.

As I posted in the other thread, I am hoping that the translated width of the 65" at 69" is inaccurate, since that woud require a bezel width of 6.25"per side. A monster sized frame. Or if it is accurate, due to side speakers, then I hope that they are detachable.

I was just re-reading the interview with Jeff Cove, Panasonic's VP of Technology, which I believe has already been linked to somewhere in this thread. In case it hasn't:

http://gear.ign.com/articles/682/682536p1.html

For some of us, the take home info from that one would be:

Jeff Cove: Currently, there is no 1080p HDMI output. However, we believe that there will be one by the end of this year.

I was just re-reading the interview with Jeff Cove, Panasonic's VP of Technology, which I believe has already been linked to somewhere in this thread. In case it hasn't:

http://gear.ign.com/articles/682/682536p1.html

For some of us, the take home info from that one would be:

Jeff Cove: Currently, there is no 1080p HDMI output. However, we believe that there will be one by the end of this year.

Well Rich, I hope Jeff is wrong. At CES I had two different conversations with Panasonic's japanese engineers, and they unequivocably assured me that the TH-65PX600 would accecpt 1080p via HDMI, so I don't understand a statement that " there is currently no 1080p HDMI output". Especially since Pioneer claimed at their booth at CES that their BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player was outputting 1080p vis HDMI to their 50" 1080p Elite plasma.

Well Rich, I hope Jeff is wrong. At CES I had two different conversations with Panasonic's japanese engineers, and they unequivocably assured me that the TH-65PX600 would accecpt 1080p via HDMI, so I don't understand a statement that " there is currently no 1080p HDMI output". Especially since Pioneer claimed at their booth at CES that their BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player was outputting 1080p vis HDMI to their 50" 1080p Elite plasma.

Wow, I guess this thread is so old, if you posted that I forgot. That sounds...well...kinda promising (except how it clashes with what Mr. Cove says, and with what Panasonic Canada said Japan has told them about 1080p input, which jives with what Mr. Cove said).


I'm sure you must have written it somewhere in this gargantuan thread, but what did you think of the 65" 1080p model?

Well Rich, I hope Jeff is wrong. At CES I had two different conversations with Panasonic's japanese engineers, and they unequivocably assured me that the TH-65PX600 would accecpt 1080p via HDMI, so I don't understand a statement that " there is currently no 1080p HDMI output". Especially since Pioneer claimed at their booth at CES that their BDP-HD1 Blu-ray player was outputting 1080p vis HDMI to their 50" 1080p Elite plasma.

In the interview he states:
IGN: Getting back to the TH-65PX500, that'll be hitting the US this summer or spring, you did clarify that through HDMI, you can't display 1080p.

Jeff Cove: Not today.

IGN: Not today, but possibly by the end of the year?

Jeff Cove: We believe so.

I think this is what he means: You can't display 1080p today since there's no 1080p source out yet. But at the end of the year, when 1080p devices are out, it will display it. Or is that wishful thinking? :D

I think this is what he means: You can't display 1080p today since there's no 1080p source out yet. But at the end of the year, when 1080p devices are out, it will display it. Or is that wishful thinking? :D

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid:

IGN: One concern related to that television is that when you say 1080p, what kind of connection supports that bandwidth on the television? A lot of people are using HDMI, and they want to know if that will be supported with 1080p.

Jeff Cove: Currently, there is no 1080p HDMI output. However, we believe that there will be one by the end of this year.

IGN: Okay, so what does the TV display now?

Jeff Cove: 1080i. What happens is that you are able to get the benefit of the resolution, on a 1080i feed, since that's the best resolution, but because you don't have progressive, you miss some of the motion capability.

Admittedly I suppose you could interpret it as Cove talking about sources, rather than the TV, because the wording between them is a bit confusing. But I do take it as the Panny not accepting 1080p input at this time (perhaps waiting on the upgrade in HDMI standards).

1080p--When will they ever learn? More markert share down the toilet.

Wow, I guess this thread is so old, if you posted that I forgot. That sounds...well...kinda promising (except how it clashes with what Mr. Cove says, and with what Panasonic Canada said Japan has told them about 1080p input, which jives with what Mr. Cove said).


I'm sure you must have written it somewhere in this gargantuan thread, but what did you think of the 65" 1080p model?

I loved it, a spectacular plasma picture on a 65" display. I am a Pioner guy, I've owned a 424MV, a 5040, a 5050, a 5060 and now an 1130. As I've posted several times, on different threads, I have a pre order with 3 different sources for this Panasonic. If Pioneer had a 1080p 61" or larger plasma available within same time frame as 65PX600U, then I would compare the PQ on both, and choose accordingly. But since Pioneer's time frame is for 2007 for larger than 50", the Panasonic is the only game in town. ( In my mind Panasonic and Pioneer are the only two games in town, anyway.) My first plasma was the TH-42PWD6UY. IMO, hands down, the best ED plasma display in 2003.

I loved it, a spectacular plasma picture on a 65" display. I am a Pioner guy, I've owned a 424MV, a 5040, a 5050, a 5060 and now an 1130. As I've posted several times, on different threads, I have a pre order with 3 different sources for this Panasonic. If Pioneer had a 1080p 61" or larger plasma available within same time frame as 65PX600U, then I would compare the PQ on both, and choose accordingly. But since Pioneer's time frame is for 2007 for larger than 50", the Panasonic is the only game in town. ( In my mind Panasonic and Pioneer are the only two games in town, anyway.) My first plasma was the TH-42PWD6UY. IMO, hands down, the best ED plasma display in 2003.

I was really tempted by the 1130HD but I am still holding out for the 600u. If my sources are wrong about the dates, then maybe I will try for the 58" (does it really exist?) or the 65" :D

I am waiting for the 65PX600U. I am remodeling my basement now and would like to know as close as possible the size specs for this unit. Does anyone know the following:

Dimensions (Width, Height and depth) and weight
Are the speakers detachable?

Thanks,
Marc

I am waiting for the 65PX600U. I am remodeling my basement now and would like to know as close as possible the size specs for this unit. Does anyone know the following:

Dimensions (Width, Height and depth) and weight
Are the speakers detachable?

Thanks,
Marc

From SuperBuck27: (Post 1039)

The specs for the TX-65PX500U are therefore:

1754 mm wide (69.055 inches)
985 mm high (38.779 inches)
99 mm depth (3.89 inches)

From this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=626355&page=35&pp=30

From the pictures I've seen the speakers look like they may, indeed, be detachable, but I have no real knowledge whether they are or not.

So, Panasonic is releasing the Viera 37, 42, 50, 58 size models but no 65"? What is the deal with the 65" not being included in this series.
Does this mean it will come out later and be a true 1920 x 1080P size set which the new Viera's are NOT?
Yes, it was shown at CES and was 1080P. Why all the baby steps with the new Viera's? Seems to suck in a bunch of buyiing when it is not really anything significant in change over the last series. Now higher resolution in 1080P would be worth the plunge....I'm waiting here :(

Yeah Baby, Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Since this unit is in use in Japan, it would be nice to have some reviews!

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/th-65px600u.JPG

http://gear.ign.com/articles/682/682536p1.html

"IGN: The first question is the issue of the Panasonic 1080p televisions that are hitting Japan in November. This is something that is of a big concern to our audience because the Playstation 3 is going to be doing 1080p and the guys here are wanting to know if this TV is the right TV for them and when it will be released here and at what price. So we were wanting to talk about which TVs will be coming here.

Jeff Cove: Okay, in Japan we have, for sale, a 65" 1080p plasma. We've also demonstrated at shows a 50" 1080p plasma. For the United States, we have not announced any specific release date for those televisions. I think our public statement is that it will be summer for the 65" but we haven't put a price on it. No official release on the 50" unit. "
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Since this 65" 1080p is now available in Japan, one would think that some reviews must be available? Maybe once some HD/BR-DVD sources are available and connected it will get some ink.

Yeah Baby, Yeah!!!!!!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D
Since this unit is in use in Japan, it would be nice to have some reviews!

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/th-65px600u.JPGHmm... This picture looks vaguely familiar... :D

Panasonic releases the 65" Viera...

http://www.tradearabia.com/tanews/newsdetails_snRET_article101786.html

Interesting, Japan gets a 65" 1080p plasma 1st, then hopefully we in the US get one by summer, and the Middle East get a 500 series in March. Althougth the photo looks like the TH-65Px600U, there is no mention of 1080p.

Interesting, Japan gets a 65" 1080p plasma 1st, then hopefully we in the US get one by summer, and the Middle East get a 500 series in March. Althougth the photo looks like the TH-65Px600U, there is no mention of 1080p.

It's been well established that the native resolution of TH-65Px600U will be 1920x1080. This information came out from Panny during 2006 CES.

It's been well established that the native resolution of TH-65Px600U will be 1920x1080. This information came out from Panny during 2006 CES.

Of course, It has been well established that the TH-65PX600U is a 1080p display, as I have posted about that in this thread, as well as my oustanding pre-order for said display. However, had you of read the Trade Arabia link, or my understood the jist my post. That it was the TH-65PV500, announced in the Trade Arabia link that made no mention of it's native resolution.

Of course, It has been well established that the TH-65PX600U is a 1080p display, as I have posted about that in this thread, as well as my oustanding pre-order for said display. However, had you of read the Trade Arabia link, or my understood the jist my post. That it was the TH-65PV500, announced in the Trade Arabia link that made no mention of it's native resolution.
Wouldn't a fixed pixel display at 1080P be automatically native 1080? :)

Wouldn't a fixed pixel display at 1080P be automatically native 1080? :)

Yes, and exactly how is this relevant to my post, that you just quoted?

Maybe I am the one who is dense here, let me see if I can clear this up. In my initial post, in response to the "Trade Arabia" announcement of a new Panasonic plasma being released in March in the Middle East. I compared information, that has already been discussed, about the new 65" 600 series introduced in Japan and now comming to the US. This article touted the merits of this new 65"Panasonic Viera (Model # TH-65PV500), and yet no mention of the native resolution of this set. A new 500 series plasma, where all of the preceeding (8G) 500 series were at 1366 x 768. In Looking at the provided photo I mentioned that even though this looked like the new 600 (9G) 65" 1080p, there was no mention of its native resolution. Now if this new 500 series Viera is actually a 1080p, I would think that this is something that Panasonic would want to advertise. Absent any information to the contrary I am left to the conclusion that this new Viera is not a 1080p set, or that the article has printed the wrong model number.

Any one want to step in here, and help me out, this all seems obvious to me.

has there been any talk at all about the broadcast/professional version of a 1080p 65 from panasonic this year? if so, what is the eta for that? summer as usual?

i also saw that they are also doing a 58", any possibility of that being also marketed for broadcast/pros? i really like the simple design of these models, so they are probably the only choices that i'm willing to compare. anyone in the same boat as me?

TonyP, It's my understanding that the 600 series are to be the first 1080p Plasmas by Panasonic.

TonyP, It's my understanding that the 600 series are to be the first 1080p Plasmas by Panasonic.

I saw that too. It looks like the entire 60x seriers accept 1080p on their HDMI input. Perhaps they bit the bullet and upgraded their electronics. That would bode well for the 65. It would be height of folly to accept it only on panels that were not 1080P. There will be Blue Ray player available by the time this panel is released.

- Rich

Any one want to step in here, and help me out, this all seems obvious to me.

The native resolution of the TH-65PV500 is 1366 x 768.

The native resolution of the TH-65PV500 is 1366 x 768.

I Googled it and looks like it is sold in the UK:
"The Panasonic TH65PV500 is a Plasma Television with a 65'' screen. It displays at resolutions of upto 1366 x 768, has a screen brightness of 900 cd/m² and a pixel pitch of N/A. The TH65PV500 supports HDTV sound and has 2 speakers which produce a combined ouput of 30 Watts."

Yes, and exactly how is this relevant to my post, that you just quoted?

Maybe I am the one who is dense here, let me see if I can clear this up. In my initial post, in response to the "Trade Arabia" announcement of a new Panasonic plasma being released in March in the Middle East. I compared information, that has already been discussed, about the new 65" 600 series introduced in Japan and now comming to the US. This article touted the merits of this new 65"Panasonic Viera (Model # TH-65PV500), and yet no mention of the native resolution of this set. A new 500 series plasma, where all of the preceeding (8G) 500 series were at 1366 x 768. In Looking at the provided photo I mentioned that even though this looked like the new 600 (9G) 65" 1080p, there was no mention of its native resolution. Now if this new 500 series Viera is actually a 1080p, I would think that this is something that Panasonic would want to advertise. Absent any information to the contrary I am left to the conclusion that this new Viera is not a 1080p set, or that the article has printed the wrong model number.

Any one want to step in here, and help me out, this all seems obvious to me.
I wasn't responding to your post, I regret I must have been in a hurry and clicked the wrong post for quote as my reply does not make sense and it appears the other person deleted their post - does appear out of whack and an obvious misclick. :o .

What really worries me is supply vs demand. That Arabian article also touched on it. I saw some Panasonic figures of total production somewhere and I suspect a big shortage of Panasonic glass (AGAIN) :eek:

any word on differences between upcoming consumer and commercial 65 inch 1080p units?
Media box required for consumer? Blades?

I wasn't responding to your post, I regret I must have been in a hurry and clicked the wrong post for quote as my reply does not make sense and it appears the other person deleted their post - does appear out of whack and an obvious misclick. :o .


Thank you westa6969, I apologise, for reacting so directly, I was begining to get frustrated by what I thought were responses to my, some what tongue in cheek, initial post on the Trade Arabia article.


aprest, Thank you for clearing this up.

any word on differences between upcoming consumer and commercial 65 inch 1080p units?
Media box required for consumer? Blades?

I'm positive about requiring blades for the commercial, but I believe media boxes are Pioneer thing.

Hi, I know the 65 inch Onyx model required the use of a media box that came with that model.

Panasonic Canada has released MSRP pricing to dealers for the 65PX600 at $14999 cdn with availability in Sept. The US usually get their models a month before Canada so expect August availability in the US. For US MSRP comparison the 50PX600 will MSRP for $4999 cdn and the 58PX600 for $7499 cdn. This would translate to an MSRP of $12K US for the 65PX600.

Looks like NA will not be getting the Japanese pricing on the 65" 1080p plasma.

Panasonic Canada has released MSRP pricing to dealers for the 65PX600 at $14999 cdn with availability in Sept. The US usually get their models a month before Canada so expect August availability in the US. For US MSRP comparison the 50PX600 will MSRP for $4999 cdn and the 58PX600 for $7499 cdn. This would translate to an MSRP of $12K US for the 65PX600.

Looks like NA will not be getting the Japanese pricing on the 65" 1080p plasma.


Hear that big "KERPLONK?"

That's the sound of a heart sinking to the floor. That would pretty much kill the dream for me. :( :mad: :(

Where'd you get the info by the way? Thanks.

The math is not correct me thinks. 10k

Panasonic Canada has released MSRP pricing to dealers for the 65PX600 at $14999 cdn with availability in Sept. The US usually get their models a month before Canada so expect August availability in the US. For US MSRP comparison the 50PX600 will MSRP for $4999 cdn and the 58PX600 for $7499 cdn. This would translate to an MSRP of $12K US for the 65PX600.

Looks like NA will not be getting the Japanese pricing on the 65" 1080p plasma.

When was that SED thing coming out? :D

14,999 Canadian Dollar = 12,955.6 US Dollar
14,999 US Dollar (USD) = 17,364.6 Canadian Dollar (CAD)

The math is not correct me thinks. 10k

You sure its not 13K??

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/converter.html

When was that SED thing coming out? :D

Latest news is that Canon/Toshiba has postponed release to Q4 2007. Doubts are beginning to creep in that SED may not even make it to mass production.

Latest news is that Canon/Toshiba has postponed release to Q4 2007. Doubts are beginning to creep in that SED may not even make it to mass production.

Yep, with the 65" er being into the megathousands, that SED thing is looking better all the time. :eek:

Yep, with the 65" er being into the megathousands, that SED thing is looking better all the time. :eek:

Not much of an option if SED is teetering on being vaporware.

Not much of an option if SED is teetering on being vaporware.

I'm thinking the 58" is lookin better all the time... :D
Would like to have that 65" 1080p and all, due to the room size and seating distances, but the 58" may be a good compromise.

I'll believe that pricing when I see it as it makes no sense. A Pioneer 1410 Elite 61" now sells on their own Website for just under $10K and it used to MSRP for double that just like the Onyx has. If they are selling the 58" for [EDIT]) then how could they justify anything over $10K? Even Mike53 of Sharp has stated that in the second half of the year it is expected that prices will fall 25-40% by the end of the year for flat panels as Sharp brings on line it's new plant in October where they'll be producing between 50-52" LCD FP's in addition to the 57/65" models and they are subcontracting their smaller panels.

Mike of Sharp says competition between themselves and other LCD and PDP manufacturers like Panasonic with it's increased manufacturing and that price wars are expected this summer and fall and that we will all benefit as LCD FP's drop to compete and we know what that means with Plasma as Panasonic has the market share to drive the market and my money is on it debuting between $8 and $9K especially considering that market pricing can move significantly between now and August so how in the world they know MSRP 5 months in advance of a distribution channel being in place is guestimates IMO and doesn't make sense unless the production volume were to be so low they can command it like Sharp does with their 65" but again unlikely - I think Panny sees this as a big volume high profit panel-with true 1080P.

Hang in there Rich I'll bet on you getting yours before the Holidays! :)

Thanks Westa.

Given that recent report about Matsushita predicting huge price drops in plasma next year, maybe my I'll just have to wait...s..o...m...e....m....o....r...e.....

While looking longingly at the 65 1080p panel that first shows up.

Funny thing how long this wait has gone on. I'd actually started scheming and saving my pennies back at the 7thgen Panny 65" model. But with kids, house, business costs....there ain't tons of play money around, which is why this purchase has to really count. I'm willing to wait longer I think, because I'd decided that 65" is the smallest display I would settle for in my HT room.

Hang in there Rich I'll bet on you getting yours before the Holidays! :)

I agree with Westa, Rich. Hang in there, I expect that the panel will be available for the mid 8,000 range before the end of November. If that is hard to swallow, perhaps you'll be able to get the 65" 8UK at a better price at that time, assuming you can find one. I promise you that it won't disappoint unless you really want to sit super close (and, I know that you might want to do that to get the full immersion experience).

Don't lose faith yet. You've waited too long to throw in the towel at this point.

The pricing was provided here.

http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/showthread.php?p=348267=th37px60#post348267

Us Canadians will always have higher prices than in the US but you can still compare the prices between models to get a relative comparison as this is still applicable. You will notice that the 65PX600 ($15k) is 2x the MSRP of the 58PX600 ($7.5k) and 3x the MSRP of the 50PX600 ($5k) in Canada. The MSRP of the 50PX600 and 58PX600 in the US is $4K and $6k, respectively. So a MSRP for the 65" works out to $12k (3x$4k or 2x$6k). Now there could be some slight adjustment to the 65" price in the US but it should MSRP for well over $10K.

Rich, if I remember correctly, you paid darn near "early adopter" prices on your Panny 42 ED. Just try not to be the first in line to own a 1080p 65"er and you'll be fine. You know from experience how far prices can fall from MSRP. I'm confident you'll end up w/one of these 1080p's, just as I too am planning a large screen 1080p Plasma for my next HT Upgrade.

I also think that these prices are wrongly quoted. If they are correct, I might as well get the set imported from Japan. It would probably work out cheaper.

I'm positive about requiring blades for the commercial, but I believe media boxes are Pioneer thing.

Where has the commercial 65" 1080p even been mentioned? How are you positive?

Where has the commercial 65" 1080p even been mentioned? How are you positive?


Panasonic has a history of releasing new consumer models in the spring and commercial models in the fall. Earier in this very-thread a person in Germany saw at a trade show last September the demo commercial unit. But in all fairness, Panny has not made any official announcement.

I say there will be a premium on those 65" units this year at least. So 12-13K is not out of line. It all really depends how demand shapes up which, IMO will be HUGE!
Good luck trying to get one of those this year :eek:
I bet even the 58" will be hard to get at first..... :mad:
Look at Panasonics track record, are they able to meet demand on these bigger units even if they do on the 50" and smaller?

With Pioneer already publishing a 10K MSRP on a 50" 1080P plasma, why is Panasonic so out of line with a 12-13K MSRP on a 65" 1080P plasma? That's an extra 15 inches of screen size over the Pioneer for only another 2-3K. Sounds reasonable to me (not that I'll be able to afford one, but I don't really NEED 65" anyway, I'll be happy if Panny can force Pioneer to drop the price on their display) . This is cutting edge technology here, and the consumer who wants it is going to have to pay for it. I think many of us have paid the "early adopter" fees at least once or twice.

Also, we are still months away from release of either of these products, so just wait a little bit to see what happens with the pricing. If Panasonic makes an official MSRP statement in the US of 12-13K, I would assume that Pioneer would shortly make an adjustment to FHD-1, dropping from 10K to 9 or 8K. Face it, if you have 10K to drop on a 50" panel, will you really think twice about dropping another 2K to go WAY up to a 65" panel? Unless the Pioneer picture is significantly superior to the Panny (which is most likely not the case, though show reviews generally stated that it was the best of the 1080P plasmas, with the Panny running second), no one is going to buy the Pioneer, except for aesthetic reasons.

With Pioneer already publishing a 10K MSRP on a 50" 1080P plasma, why is Panasonic so out of line with a 12-13K MSRP on a 65" 1080P plasma? That's an extra 15 inches of screen size over the Pioneer for only another 2-3K. Sounds reasonable to me

But the thing is that, in anouncing the new 65" 1080p model Matsushita was also crowing about how much they'd lowered the price (vs the 720p 65" model of the previous year). And that they were bringing it out for (as I remember) around 900,000yen or so.

A search of places selling the TH-65PX500 in Japan yields a range of prices approximately between 700,000yen and 900,000yen.

That's:

900,000yen = $7,656 USD

= $8,841 CAD

800,000yen = $6,809 USD

= $7,858 CAD

700,000yen = $5,958 USD

= $6878 CAD

Japanese Panasonic plasma models have generally been priced on par with their NA prices. But this is pretty outrageous. Even if you take the top figure at 900,000yen that still has the US MRSP at almost $4,400 more and the Canadian price at over $6,000 more than the Japanese are paying!

So, maybe you can understand what a bummer this is. (And I don't know how it's justified).

In the UK forums it was said that while most plasma sizes are assembled in the target continent/country, 65" plasmas are always assembled in Japan and then shipped to the rest of the world. I don't know if that is true, but it would explain somewhat higher prices, because not only the shipping costs would be higher, but also import taxes would be noticably higher, I think.

Madshi, the thing is I've tracked Japanese prices for Panasonic plasmas against NA prices for quite a while and they are generally quite close. This seems to be a real anomaly.

In the UK forums it was said that while most plasma sizes are assembled in the target continent/country, 65" plasmas are always assembled in Japan and then shipped to the rest of the world. I don't know if that is true, but it would explain somewhat higher prices, because not only the shipping costs would be higher, but also import taxes would be noticably higher, I think.

Or they don't sell enough of the big boys to justify a seperate production line in each country.

Madshi, the thing is I've tracked Japanese prices for Panasonic plasmas against NA prices for quite a while and they are generally quite close. This seems to be a real anomaly.

I do have to wonder if Madshi hasn't hit upon the correct interpretation of the projected USDM 65 pricing here Rich, as it does make a lot of sense (to me). Did your tracking process include the previous generation 65s as well? Knowing your keen interest in the *jumbo-san* sized Panasonic plasmas, I would have guessed this to be so; which only leaves me all the more confused about this apparent pricing anomaly. :confused:

I'm happy to hear that all 65" are made in Japan and shipped world wide. I really was dreading getting one made in Mexico. Thumps up!

In the UK forums it was said that while most plasma sizes are assembled in the target continent/country, 65" plasmas are always assembled in Japan and then shipped to the rest of the world. I don't know if that is true, but it would explain somewhat higher prices, because not only the shipping costs would be higher, but also import taxes would be noticably higher, I think.

This sounds right. There is a big difference when you start putting tuners and parts into the units before exporting/importing. Gateway was one company that took advantage of this to really get plasma prices low.

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Wow, Rich - your PBAse gallery has just sold me on getting a Panasonic Plasma display. Amazing!

Wow, Rich - your PBAse gallery has just sold me on getting a Panasonic Plasma display. Amazing!

Yeah, it seems that gallery has sold a lot of Panasonic plasmas. :D

You'd think Panasonic would do something nice for me by now, like, you know, send me
a 65" 1080p plasma in gratitude.

But no, but no....

(BTW, when I watch DVDs on my 4th generation ED plasma I still can't believe how good it looks).

hoodlum,

I hope that your information turns out to be "not the case". At CES the information that I received from group of Panasonic engineers, and a represenative who claimed to be knowledgeable about this display, was that the US MSRP would be; "at around $10,000."
To me at around $10,000 = $9,500. to $10,500.

hoodlum,

I hope that your information turns out to be "not the case". At CES the information that I received from group of Panasonic engineers, and a represenative who claimed to be knowledgeable about this display, was that the US MSRP would be; "at around $10,000."
To me at around $10,000 = $9,500. to $10,500.

HiFi Buys (Tweeter) here in Atlanta told me it's listed in their system at 9,999.99.

HiFi Buys (Tweeter) here in Atlanta told me it's listed in their system at 9,999.99.

Great.....where do I order :D :D
I like this price much much much much better! ;)

HiFi Buys (Tweeter) here in Atlanta told me it's listed in their system at 9,999.99.

What is their price for the 58" 1080p?

The 58" TH-58PX600 is released with the other non 1080p sets. I have not seen anything about a 58" 1080p....yet.

http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en060308-11/en060308-11.html

58v type " TH-58PX600 " (1,366×768 dot) approximately 78,000 Yen
50V type " TH-50PX600 " (1,366×768 dot) approximately 56,000 Yen
42v type " TH-42PX600 " (1,024×768 dot) approximately 45,000 Yen
37v type " TH-37PX600 " (1,024×720 dot) approximately 36,000 Yen

Great.....where do I order :D :D
I like this price much much much much better! ;)

I was so excited to hear that Tweeters had this model in their system, that I placed a call to my account represenative at Tweeter Corporate, to check on how soon I could expect to recieve my pre-order on the TH-65. He looked in his computer, and no listing. He said that he has access to every US region Tweeters, and that as of yet they are not in the system. Just on the off chance that he might be mistaken, I called Tweeters Costa Verde store, and though it was not listed in their computer, the manager responded that he was familliar with this model. I was astonished that he would have had any fore knowledge of the 1080p Panasonic, but he said that they had recieved an internal notification about the pending arrival of this plasma. He thought that the time frame was around May.

God I hope he's right, thats so much better than Aug/Sept.

You'd think Panasonic would do something nice for me by now, like, you know, send me
a 65" 1080p plasma in gratitude.



For me too !!! :D :D :D

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For me too !!! :D :D :D

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Lots of info for all Plasmas in general.

YES!

And as the Master Of Panasonic FAQitude your role becomes ever more important here, with the great increases in plasma sales, particularly Panasonic.

I'll send a note to the Panny bigwigs on your behalf. ;)

During CES Panasonic announced their pricing for some of the new plasmas. Although, they leave the 65" TBD. Here's the link.
http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESdisplays/Panasonicplasmadisplays.php

any word from Panasonic Direct on MSRP USA for 65 1080p? Any news on 1080p HDMI capable?

The 58" TH-58PX600 is released with the other non 1080p sets. I have not seen anything about a 58" 1080p....yet.

http://www.panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en060308-11/en060308-11.html

58v type " TH-58PX600 " (1,366×768 dot) approximately 78,000 Yen
50V type " TH-50PX600 " (1,366×768 dot) approximately 56,000 Yen
42v type " TH-42PX600 " (1,024×768 dot) approximately 45,000 Yen
37v type " TH-37PX600 " (1,024×720 dot) approximately 36,000 Yen

Thanks. I seem to recall several months ago Panasonic announced they were planning a 50" 1080p plasma to be released in 2006, so I assumed the 58" would be a no-brainer. Which raises the question now - where the heck is the 50" 1080p model?

Perhaps you are thinking of the Pio 50" 1080p that is due for 2006:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1909023,00.asp

The Panasonic protype was shown late last year. A 50" 1080p set that will most likely follow the 65" 1080p set due out this Summer!
http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en051004-1/en051004-1.html

Whatever, the 65" 1080p is already out in Japan and the US is next later this year.
The 50" will be out but in time.

Bob

Is there a Japanese equivalent to AVS forum where someone fluent in the language might be able to translate comments on the 65" 1080p plasma and tell us what they're saying?

Ya know, it's gonna hurt real bad waiting for the commercial unit -- especially if the consumer is released in the summer. Painful yes- but in my opinion well worth it.

My uncalibrated, unknowing, feverish magic eight ball says mid-October.

Is there a Japanese equivalent to AVS forum where someone fluent in the language might be able to translate comments on the 65" 1080p plasma and tell us what they're saying?

Man, that would be great if someone on this Forum that is bi-lingual in Japanese would contribute to this Forum. Imagine getting user reviews months in advance before the display even arrives on our shores.

But the Japanese models are often different, aren't they? For example, some have mentioned that although the Japanese version of the 65" 1080p will not accept 1080p as input, but that the US version probably will. Who knows what else will be different?

But the Japanese models are often different, aren't they? For example, some have mentioned that although the Japanese version of the 65" 1080p will not accept 1080p as input, but that the US version probably will. Who knows what else will be different?

Well it would be nice if we could see some info on the Japan model, but I have not seen anything about it. And I have not seen where anyone has said it will not accept 1080p input? Where did that come from?

The Panasonic protype was shown late last year. A 50" 1080p set that will most likely follow the 65" 1080p set due out this Summer!
http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en051004-1/en051004-1.html

Whatever, the 65" 1080p is already out in Japan and the US is next later this year.
The 50" will be out but in time.

Bob

Thanks - I knew I wasn't just dreaming. But that raises the question of why the 58" is not being produced at 1080p? But then it would probably takes sales away from the more expensive (and more profitable) 65" model. Hmmmm...

Maybe Captain Pike has some info on the Japaneses 65 inch set or the soon to be released American version. I remember at one time he was very estatic about this set.

Captain Pike, please report in. What new info have you unearthed? ;)

Is the 65PX600 even out in Japan yet? Or is the earlier 1080p 65PX500 model still on sale there?

Is the 65PX600 even out in Japan yet? Or is the earlier 1080p 65PX500 model still on sale there?

Came out last November in Japan:
http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405-6412231.html

Mentioned here as 65PX500 but says 1080p which means 65PX600:
http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en051004-1/en051004-1.html

Came out last November in Japan:
http://www.cnet.com/4831-11405-6412231.html

Mentioned here as 65PX500 but says 1080p which means 65PX600:
http://panasonic.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/en051004-1/en051004-1.html

This appears to be a common source of confusion.

The model that came out last November in Japan is indeed the 65PX500 and is indeed a 1080p display. While naming differences between different regions is often a matter of semantics, I don't think we can say for sure that this is the case here. Obvious regional differences aside (the US verison certainly won't have D-Terminal input, for example), there may be any number of differences between this unit and the upcoming 65PX600. In particular the 600 may indeed get 1080p input over HDMI while the Japanese 500 model does not have that feature. Other features are likley to be added to the set as well. In fact it should be no less an upgrade than the 50PX600 is to the 50PX500. I suspect that the Japanese model will get upgraded to the 600 as well, either before or in tandem with the arrival of the 600 on our shores.

The point here is that even if we had a review of the current 65" 1080p Panasonic plasma in Japan, there is absolutely no way to know how much of it would be applicable to the model we will receive here later this year. Now, if the 60PX600 hits Japan (or anywhere) before it hits here, then at that point any reviews may well be of interest.

In fact the 65PX500 in Japan does have HDMI! And is 1080p!

"I won't even bother mentioning this one's audio/video inputs and outputs.
If you want it, it has it. From composite all the way up to HDMI,
it's all there"

http://www.japaninc.net/newsletters/index.html?list=gw&issue=204#3

In fact the 65PX500 in Japan does have HDMI!

Right. And I never said otherwise.

And is 1080p!

You'll notice the article you post says nothing about 1080p over HDMI.

According to everything we've heard, the 65PX500 does not support 1080p over HDMI. CaptainPike verified this in person with Panasonic reps.

Seeing that the current 60U and 600U models do support 1080p over HDMI, it is very probably that the 65PX600U that is coming will undoubtedly have this capability.

And that is the important part...correct.

Seeing that the current 60U and 600U models do support 1080p over HDMI, it is very probably that the 65PX600U that is coming will undoubtedly have this capability.

And that is the important part...correct.

I was told by Panasonic that they are working on 1080p via HDMI, but that it probably wouldn't be available in their models until the end of this year or so.

Things could change, I suppose.

We see the chip being touted for the upcomming 600 models (42" to 58" non 1080p plasmas) as doing "full" processing of Hi-Def signals. But I'm unsure whether that means simply the chips aren't doing the "bob and weave" that has been discussed on these forums, where 1080i signals loose some resolution. Or whether they in fact mean the chips are able to process full 1080p input. I somehow doubt the latter.

Does anyone know?

Seeing that the current 60U and 600U models do support 1080p over HDMI, it is very probably that the 65PX600U that is coming will undoubtedly have this capability.

I believe that is incorrect. Is there a user downloadable user manual available somewhere that would verify this? There is no mention of it on Panasonic's website.

And that is the important part...correct.

I'll agree that is important. My only point here was to inject a bit information regarding the wishes for reviews of the 65" 1080p unit that is sold in Japan.

I believe that is incorrect. Is there a user downloadable user manual available somewhere that would verify this? There is no mention of it on Panasonic's website.

I'll agree that is important. My only point here was to inject a bit information regarding the wishes for reviews of the 65" 1080p unit that is sold in Japan.

From the Viera PDF:

"This chip-set processes the full-HD video signal in its
original condition, without down-conversion
The full-HD video signal allows the reproduction of highly
expressive images with exceptional detail and full 1920 x 1080
resolution. Used in VIERA, this high-performance chip-set
processes the HD signal without altering its natural
specifications."

From the Viera PDF:

"This chip-set processes the full-HD video signal in its
original condition, without down-conversion
The full-HD video signal allows the reproduction of highly
expressive images with exceptional detail and full 1920 x 1080
resolution. Used in VIERA, this high-performance chip-set
processes the HD signal without altering its natural
specifications."

And again, no mention of 1080p input. This information refers to the video processor and scaler.

Bruzzi doesn't have the manuals yet. When he does (which should be soon, since plenty of people have 42" and 50" 60u sets in their homes now), we will se the detailed specs for each input. At that point it will be clear whether 1080p is supported over HDMI. I think it is highly unlikely. That won't necessariy mean the 65" display won't support it. But you'll note R Harkness' post above, along with the many other prior discussions of this very topic elsewhere on this board.

From the Viera PDF:

"This chip-set processes the full-HD video signal in its
original condition, without down-conversion
The full-HD video signal allows the reproduction of highly
expressive images with exceptional detail and full 1920 x 1080
resolution. Used in VIERA, this high-performance chip-set
processes the HD signal without altering its natural
specifications."

The problem is that still may be marketing speak for "Our new chip doesn't loose information bobbing and weaving 1080i signals." As opposed to other chips that downconvert 1080i, loosing resolution while doing so, then upconvert again.

I really hope it means "processes 1080p," or more specifically 1080p/60, which means the panel's native rate, which means outboard processing can be employed without engaging the panel's scaler. But the Panny PDF doesn't really address that. It seems any manufacturer whose panel can support full 1080p input, native rate, has made sure to boast about it (see Pioneer's 1080p display at CES). Which is why I find the absence of a direct statement of "accepts 1080p via HDMI" to be a bit suspicious.

It seems any manufacturer whose panel can support full 1080p input, native rate, has made sure to boast about it (see Pioneer's 1080p display at CES). Which is why I find the absence of a direct statement of "accepts 1080p via HDMI" to be a bit suspicious.

And as a corollary to that, plenty of manufacturers that don't support 1080p input (or perhaps don't even have 1080p native resolution), still claim "1080p processing" or some such. Hitachi and Sharp have been to notable "offenders" in this regard. They are able to get away with such claims because they are refering only to the capabilities of the video processing hardware, and not the video signals themselves.

How about this:

"The HDMI terminal corresponds to the input of the 1080p with all model. It can cooperate with the DIGA " DMR-EX550 " which corresponds to 1080p output and so on. Furthermore, it is not the next generation HDMI standard which corresponds to largest each color 16bit transmission, until recently it has become the HDMI of the same each color 8bit transmission."

Seems to say it will accept via it's HDMI terminal 1080p from the output of the DMR-EX550 which has 1080p out.

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=ja%7Cen&u=http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20060308/pana2.htm&prev=/language_tools


The Panasonic DMR-EX550:
"The new product, actualizes the high picture quality video recording * playback of high vision broadcast full transmits loads the " HDMI output terminal " onto all type digitally in connected equipment such as " PEAKS processor " and the image * aural signal television. Furthermore, the beauty which presses for the digital high vision broadcast which was videotaped in the HDD, to high vision * with 3 in the DVD it can videotape & can play back, high picture quality technology " beauty picture quality converter " of new development was loaded. Furthermore, the DMR-EX550 of the most significant model the industry beginning * to " the HDMI 1080p (the 1125p) corresponds output " of 4. Converting the interlace signal of high vision broadcast, to the high fine progressive signal, it can output."

How about this:[/url]

Certainly sounds more promising. These are 600u models, which are still not available here yet (although they will be very soon). But the 60u models are. I have not kept up on the discussions, but certainly someone must have verified the HDMI input specifications for the US models by now. Sounds like its worth a look at the new panny threads.

Its too bad Bruzzi does not have the manuals yet. He's usually got them weeks ahead of the first units shipping.

Well bwclark, it turns out that you were right.

I posted a query about this in the 600/60u mega-thread and membe j-t-w confirmed from his user manual that the new models do indeed support 1080p input through HDMI. See page 25 of the thread for his post. Given this, 1080p support for the 65" model seems almost a sure bet. Although its not guaranteed for certain yet (see Sharp for an example of why).

This comes as something of a surprise to me given all the doom-and-gloom surrounding this issue as of the last time it was discussed. It seemed almost certain that 1080p input was not in the cards until late 2006. I guess perhaps the prototype model that CaptainPike spoke about ended up forming the basis for the 65PX600.

We still need confirmation of overscan controls. If the 65PX600U does not have them, then it will be a wait for commerical 65PHD9UK. Although, with that model, we'd need confirmation of a new HDMI and/or DVI board that accepts 1080p.

Sounds very promising.

Now, if we can just get that North American MSRP down a bit....

65PHD9UK

Is the model name, or is that your best guess? Just curious.

Is the model name, or is that your best guess? Just curious.

Just a guess, but I'd put a c-note on it. ;)

Actually, according to rumors there will be silver models in the US starting this generation also. So there will probably be a 65PHD9US as well.

mkoesel,
Good job in finding someone that was able to look up the specs in their manual and verify that the 60U's do support the 1080p input. Sure bet that the 65PX600U will also support 1080p and have that 2 megapixel res! :D

Until then, I have my pinup model on the wall.......


http://bwclark.smugmug.com/photos/60982328-M.jpg

I have three quick questions that maybe someone knows the answer too. First, is the new displays 9th generation plasmas or 8th generation plasmas? I read that the new 9th gen displays have a maximum contrast ratio of 1:10,000. Second question is anyone know if and when the 50" and 58" 1080ps are suppose to be released? I would love to have a 65", but I think the cost will be a bit out of my price range. Finally, would the 50" 1080p be sharper at closer viewing distance due to smaller pixels?

Thanks,

David

new plasmas are 9th gen panels for sure, i don't have the answers to the other questions

Second question is anyone know if and when the 50" and 58" 1080ps are suppose to be released? I would love to have a 65", but I think the cost will be a bit out of my price range. Finally, would the 50" 1080p be sharper at closer viewing distance due to smaller pixels?

The 50" 60U is out now, but the 600U is not expected until May/June. These are NOT 1920 x 1080 pixel count but will accept 1080p input. The 50" 1080p is expected after the release of the 65" 1080p that is set for this Summer/Fall. No date announced yet.

The 58" is a 600U set and also NOT 1920 x 1080p but again will accept a 1080p input from a device such as a BR-DVD. I have nothing about a 1920x1080p set.

Sharpness will depend upon how good your vision is, and how close is "closer". Probably for a 50" inside 8' there will be a difference for most people.

Bob

PS All of this is predicated upon the fact that I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night ;)

Do you think it will be after the new year before the 50" 1080p arrives?

Thanks,
David

Do you think it will be after the new year before the 50" 1080p arrives?

I have not seen anything about the Pany 50" 1080p release date, but you may wish to check out Pioneer sets:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1909023,00.asp

This is a Pany thread :p

Do you think it will be after the new year before the 50" 1080p arrives?

Thanks,
David

Almost certainly.

Also, there was a quote from someone who spoke with a Panasonic rep saying that if they could not get the 50" 1080p into production "soon", then they would do a 58" 1080p first. Now, this was before confirmation of the new 58" 600u display, so the 58" screen size sounded a bit suspect at the time. But now that there is indeed a 58" on the scene (albeit only 768p), the legitimacy of this claim seems higher, IMHO. If I had to guess (and it would be a pure guess), I would say that the 10th generation sets ("70/700u") will likely include 1080p in 58", and the 50" will probably wait until 11th generation. I suppose it will depend highly on what sort of price pressure they get from the LCD vendors. Right now, there is only one vendor shipping LCD sets over 50" (Sharp) and they are outrageously expensive. And it will also depend on how succesful the 50" 1080p Pioneer is, especially if Pioneer releases a more consumer-friendly model sometime soon.

We must also keep in mind the Hitachi has announced they will ship a 55" 1080p model in the near future, and have also demostrated a 42" 1080p model. The presence of these models on the market (whenver that happens) could have an effect on Panasonic's timeframe as well.

If I had to guess (and it would be a pure guess), I would say that the 10th generation sets ("70/700u") will likely include 1080p in 58", and the 50" will probably wait until 11th generation.Will they also include dual tuners and provide support for two-way communications?

Perhaps some have not seen this interview:
http://gear.ign.com/articles/682/682536p1.html

So, I will post it and all can read directly from the "horses mouth".

Bob

http://finanzen.net/news/news_detail.asp?NewsNr=384424

"The new 58-inch plasma is the perfect complement to and rounds out Panasonic's existing line by providing a screen size that fits nicely between our 50-inch and our soon to be delivered 65-inch 1080p plasma," said Andrew Nelkin, Vice President of Panasonic's Display Group.

:D :D :D

Greetings everyone, I saw this on extremetech.com and they quoted the article from Rueters. Not sure if this is legit or a typo. Price seems Awfully low for a 103" plasma considering Samsung is selling their 102" for $150k. See below for a part of the overall article.....

"The arrival of Panasonic's Blu-ray player will coincide around the debut of its new 103-inch flat screen TV, estimated to cost around $10,000."

Here's the link if anyone wants to read the whole article:

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1943894,00.asp

Extremetech is at fault there. All other websites are talking about the first 1080p 65" plasma instead of the 103".

NEW YORK, March 28 /PRNewswire/ -- Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company
today announced the upcoming availability of the company's first Blu-ray Disc
player, the DMP-BD10, available this September.
Blu-ray Disc is the next generation optical disc format that features
capacity as large as 50 gigabytes on a dual-layer disc and will be capable of
holding high-definition movies, tens of thousands of songs, and extensive
capacity for extraordinary video games and PC storage. Blu-ray Disc has the
support of more than 170 leading companies including the top studios and
consumer electronics manufacturers.
Yes, it is the 65"!

"With the DMP-BD10, Panasonic proves its commitment to providing the best
high definition entertainment experience for the home," said Reid Sullivan,
vice president, merchandising, Panasonic's entertainment group. "Our goal is
to focus on the total solution for an uncompromised high definition
experience. In addition we want to ensure that the consumer experience is as
easy as possible, so we've added EZ-Sync HDAVI control function to make it
simple to connect and control multiple products, such as a Panasonic Plasma
TV, Blu-ray Disc player and receiver. Plus, with the BD10 we respect the
legacy content that consumers have in their entertainment libraries, including
virtually all DVD and CD formats, as well as video and image formats."
The introduction of the DMP-BD10 is timed to coincide with Panasonic's
release of its first 1080p Plasma TVs this fall, which can make full use of
Blu-ray's high definition entertainment capabilities.
Pricing in the United States on the DMP-BD10 has not been finalized, but
will be less than $1,500. Panasonic will also release a high-definition
receiver that when matched with the Blu-ray Disc player will provide an
unparalleled entertainment experience.

"The arrival of Panasonic's Blu-ray player will coincide around the debut of its new 103-inch flat screen TV, estimated to cost around $10,000."



MISPRINT.

Too bad that's not true. ;) :D


__________________________________
BruZZi's Panasonic Plasma FAQ — bruzzi.ws
Lots of info for all Plasmas in general.

Extremetech is at fault there. All other websites are talking about the first 1080p 65" plasma instead of the 103".

Actually, Extremetech copied the article from Reuters.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 65" 1080p panny supposed to be released this summer and not in the Fall? Did it get delayed?

The problem is that still may be marketing speak for "Our new chip doesn't loose information bobbing and weaving 1080i signals." As opposed to other chips that downconvert 1080i, loosing resolution while doing so, then upconvert again.

I really hope it means "processes 1080p," or more specifically 1080p/60, which means the panel's native rate, which means outboard processing can be employed without engaging the panel's scaler. But the Panny PDF doesn't really address that. It seems any manufacturer whose panel can support full 1080p input, native rate, has made sure to boast about it (see Pioneer's 1080p display at CES). Which is why I find the absence of a direct statement of "accepts 1080p via HDMI" to be a bit suspicious.

Could be... can I sign up for hope that they will include support for 1080p24 playback without converting it to a 60Hz cadence(ie give me 24/48/72hz playback)? Elimination of motion judder from my next gen format playback would be most sweet...

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 65" 1080p panny supposed to be released this summer and not in the Fall? Did it get delayed?

Vendors have given me June as the time when the consumer 1080p is released. It is believed that October is when the unannounced commercial version will hit stores.

Vendors have given me June as the time when the consumer 1080p is released. It is believed that October is when the unannounced commercial version will hit stores.

If these Vendors have an arrival date, do they also have an MSRP or other price?

If these Vendors have an arrival date, do they also have an MSRP or other price?

No information on price has been given. Please keep in mind that data is really scarce - I'm just passing on what I have been able to find out.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 65" 1080p panny supposed to be released this summer and not in the Fall? Did it get delayed?

That is my concern as well. The only date that I have seen is the "summer" date that was in the Pansonic release at the Consumer Electronics show in January. None of the dealers I have talked to have a date and the ones that say they do are SWAGing it.

The problem is that still may be marketing speak for "Our new chip doesn't loose information bobbing and weaving 1080i signals." As opposed to other chips that downconvert 1080i, loosing resolution while doing so, then upconvert again.

I really hope it means "processes 1080p," or more specifically 1080p/60, which means the panel's native rate, which means outboard processing can be employed without engaging the panel's scaler. But the Panny PDF doesn't really address that. It seems any manufacturer whose panel can support full 1080p input, native rate, has made sure to boast about it (see Pioneer's 1080p display at CES). Which is why I find the absence of a direct statement of "accepts 1080p via HDMI" to be a bit suspicious.

On page 40 of the 37/42/50PX60U owners manual, it gives 2 1125 (1080p)resolutions that are supported through the HDMI input. The resolutions are:
1,125 (1080) /60p- Horizontal Frequency is 67.42- Vert Frequency is 59.94
1,125 (1080) /60p- Horizontal Frequency is 67.50- Vert Frequency is 60.00

I would assume that the 65" will accept the same signals.

On page 40 of the 37/42/50PX60U owners manual, it gives 2 1125 (1080p)resolutions that are supported through the HDMI input. The resolutions are:
1,125 (1080) /60p- Horizontal Frequency is 67.42- Vert Frequency is 59.94
1,125 (1080) /60p- Horizontal Frequency is 67.50- Vert Frequency is 60.00

I would assume that the 65" will accept the same signals.
I would hope that the 65" will also support 50Hz and at least one multiply of 24.

I would hope that the 65" will also support 50Hz and at least one multiply of 24.

The current 60 series may support those frame rates, but it is not stated in the owners manual and I have no way of testing those rates.

TWICE - Quoted 103" in the fall but no MSRP.

Speaking at its “Digital Lifestyle” event, held here yesterday, company executives said the DMP-BD10’s pricing would be finalized later in the year, but would launch alongside Panasonic’s first 1,080p plasma and high-definition receiver.

The company also announced that its mammoth 103-inch 1,080p plasma set debuted at International CES would ship in the United States this year. Pricing was not expected to be finalized until later in the year.

“It will be in our customers’ homes before the holidays are over,” said John Iacoviello, product and marketing VP. Home Equity Loans Qualify? Christmas Fund? Millerwill where are you this is your Prize Big Screen! :D

Guess we'll have to start a new thread... "Official Panasonic 103" 1080p Plasma, Info, Pictures, Etc. :D

The company also announced that its mammoth 103-inch 1,080p plasma set debuted at International CES would ship in the United States this year. Pricing was not expected to be finalized until later in the year.

“It will be in our customers’ homes before the holidays are over,” said John Iacoviello, product and marketing VP.

Wow. Even if I could afford this beauty, I'm not sure how easily I could squeeze this beast through my front door and into my house. (And I guess I can forget about going to pick it up in my Honda Element with a few of my buddies.) Guess I'll have to buy a new house, a LARGE truck, and get a second job to make this dream a reality.

True

Not to mention, where would one hang such a device? Since a 103" plasma is basically four 50" plasmas (and then some), this sucker would weigh close to 400 pounds. I think you'd need a forklift!!

Anyway, back on topic. It would be nice to get some more info on the 65" 1080p unit. Personally, I'm more interested in the industrail model. I'd like to know it's technical specs, as well as ETA and MSRP. Has anyone heard anything?

As you folks have nothing much to discuss but vapors regarding the 65" don't get your panties in a bunch over a 103" being discussed you've got several months and probably a few hundred pages of useless posts before there's anything REAL to discuss unless your in Japan - everything else is conjecture until the LA show pretty much unless Panny decides otherwise or else Bruzzi can post the pic's a few hundred more times.

BTW the Daily Yomiuri in Japan identifies the Panel as selling below one million Yen and converted to US = just over $8500.00. No telling what costs may or not be added that is a good sign for Japan Press Releases placing the price at such a target as they announced all the way back to August of last year they would cut the 65" Viera Panel in half before releasing the 1080P version in November. There is still hope that Panny will make the 65" a realistic consumer panel in the US if they can produce them in quantity to meet demand. Good Luck! :cool:

On page 40 of the 37/42/50PX60U owners manual, it gives 2 1125 (1080p)resolutions that are supported through the HDMI input. The resolutions are:
1,125 (1080) /60p- Horizontal Frequency is 67.42- Vert Frequency is 59.94
1,125 (1080) /60p- Horizontal Frequency is 67.50- Vert Frequency is 60.00

I would assume that the 65" will accept the same signals.

This is good news. BUT ... you have keep in mind this only partially answers part of the 'golden 1080p goal'.

Just because the panel can accept the signal doesnot mean it can process it. I suspect 'yes', however Panny may be taking a shortcut a dropping lines because a processor they are using just can't handle the bandwidth. Who knows? I am doing a reality check before we dance in the streets about accepting 1080p. (Read the 'half resolution being thrown away' thread if you want to know what I am talking about.)

I am sure this will be answered only after panels are in hand and folks start running test patterns and attempt to do 1:1 mapping.

This is good news. BUT ... you have keep in mind this only partially answers part of the 'golden 1080p goal'.

Just because the panel can accept the signal doesnot mean it can process it. I suspect 'yes', however Panny may be taking a shortcut a dropping lines because a processor they are using just can't handle the bandwidth. Who knows? I am doing a reality check before we dance in the streets about accepting 1080p. (Read the 'half resolution being thrown away' thread if you want to know what I am talking about.)

I am sure this will be asnwered only after panels are in hand and folks start running test patterns and attempt to do 1:1 mapping.

I thought the new Panasonics can handle it now? :confused:

I thought the new Panasonics can handle it now? :confused:

There is no 1080p panny yet. The screens are still 1300+ lines. It can accept the signal - but who knows what is done with it.

The unreleased 65" (june) will be 1080p in display size, and apparently capable of ingesting a 1080p source signal. The third part of the equation is to see what it does with the signal on the inside.

It could ingest the signal, then toss every even line while processing the data. Afterwhich it could upsample and blast the results to the screen. In this example, the upsample and ingestion electronics have the horse power, but the video processing chips may be maxed out, so a shortcut was used. Again, this onlyis an example.

So, in summary - we have the display comming and signal acceptance. The last thing most people want is 'native' internal processing.

"Next up with a high-definition Blu-ray Disc player announcement is Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company. The Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-ray Disc player is the company's first, but it won't be available until September 2006. The DMP-BD10 will be released at the same time as Panasonic’s first 1080p Plasma TVs this fall, which are optimized for Blu-ray’s high definition entertainment capabilities."

It appears to me that the 65"er will be out this fall(as much as I would like to see it sooner), and that is the timing that Panasonic is looking for to get the biggest wow factor when connected to their Blu-ray player.

What a combination: the 65" PDP, Blu-ray player, and their new receiver all compatible with each other and producing drop dead gorgeous video and audio. :D


http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/panasonic_dmp-bd10_its_first_high-def_blu-ray_player.php

There is no 1080p panny yet. The screens are still 1300+ lines. It can accept the signal - but who knows what is done with it.

The unreleased 65" (june) will be 1080p in display size, and apparently capable of ingesting a 1080p source signal. The third part of the equation is to see what it does with the signal on the inside.

It could ingest the signal, then toss every even line while processing the data. Afterwhich it could upsample and blast the results to the screen. In this example, the upsample and ingestion electronics have the horse power, but the video processing chips may be maxed out, so a shortcut was used. Again, this onlyis an example.

So, in summary - we have the display comming and signal acceptance. The last thing most people want is 'native' internal processing.

I understand what 1080P actually is :D .
I was just mentioning that 9th Gen Panasonics work with 1080P internally.
I am not sure why you would say nobody wants 1080P processing internally :confused:

This is just in on the 65" 1080p model and comes from a post on the 60/600U thread:

"Panasonic’s TH-65PX600U has a heftier price tag ($19,995) and will debut in September. This TV sports a full 1920x1080-pixel matrix, CableCARD slot, and TV Guide OSD. As for the 103-incher, no prices were bandied about for it, but you can expect it to be a 100% custom-install product."

Reported from this site:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/panasonic2006.html

I will contact Panasonic PR and find out if this is an error! :confused:

If it is correct, then bye... :mad: :mad:

This is just in on the 65" 1080p model and comes from a post on the 60/600U thread:

"Panasonic’s TH-65PX600U has a heftier price tag ($19,995) and will debut in September. This TV sports a full 1920x1080-pixel matrix, CableCARD slot, and TV Guide OSD. As for the 103-incher, no prices were bandied about for it, but you can expect it to be a 100% custom-install product."

Reported from this site:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/panasonic2006.html

I will contact Panasonic PR and find out if this is an error! :confused:

If it is correct, then bye... :mad: :mad:

Yes. Please do. I'm sick of having my hopes up based on the initial announcements about these panels and seeing the price rumors only go up and up. :mad:

Just under 20 grand? :mad: :( It would be bye-bye Panasonic for me...I'd probably give up on plasma and actually consider other technologies more seriously 'cause I'm getting really sick of waiting.

As I'd mentioned before, all the Panasonic prices for NA have been pretty much at parity with Japan. Why the heck would this thing be such in incredible anomaly? You can find it for the equivalent of $7,000 in Japan right now!

I doubt...and I repeat DOUBT seriously, that the 1080p 65"er will MSRP @ 20 Grand. That scuttlebutt should ignored. With their brand new plant opening up soon, Panny is getting ready to open up the flood gates & swamp the Plasma market w/lower priced displays. In 2007, the planned production is 11,000 units from this one plant alone!

There is no 1080p panny yet. The screens are still 1300+ lines. It can accept the signal - but who knows what is done with it.

The unreleased 65" (june) will be 1080p in display size, and apparently capable of ingesting a 1080p source signal. The third part of the equation is to see what it does with the signal on the inside.

It could ingest the signal, then toss every even line while processing the data. Afterwhich it could upsample and blast the results to the screen. In this example, the upsample and ingestion electronics have the horse power, but the video processing chips may be maxed out, so a shortcut was used. Again, this onlyis an example.

So, in summary - we have the display comming and signal acceptance. The last thing most people want is 'native' internal processing.

This makes little sense.

First of all, screen resolution has nothing to do with internal processing other than they end up at the same value.

Internal 1080p processing is very important. The best 1080i deinterlacing means converting to 1080p60 followed by scaling to NR of the display. It's also important for a display to accept 1080p24 or 1080p60 input if you plan to adopt Blue Ray. This will allow simple frame duplication of the native 1080p24 on the disc to 1080p60 followed by scaling to the NR of the display. This is easy compared to 1080i inverse telecine processing which is required if 1080i input is all that's possible.

Comparatively speaking, 1080p screen resolution is much less important unless you qualify form the aspect of screen size/viewing distance.

If you like plasma, you'll spread this message.:)

I doubt...and I repeat DOUBT seriously, that the 1080p 65"er will MSRP @ 20 Grand. That scuttlebutt should ignored. With their brand new plant opening up soon, Panny is getting ready to open up the flood gates & swamp the Plasma market w/lower priced displays. In 2007, the planned production is 11,000 units from this one plant alone!


Is that 11,000 per month?

Is that 11,000 per month?

I went back and checked some news releases again for facts. By the end of 2007, Panasonic expects to be producing 11 million Plasma displays per annum. The new PX600 line are being made at their new Amgasaki City plant. Panny has another all new plant scheduled to open in 2007.

I have a bad feeling this panel is going to be priced pretty high. If you look at what is currently out there in the 60" range, they all MSRP for over 10 Gs. I wouldn't be surprised to see this 65" come in at about $15,000. It will have the latest technology (1080p) and be the biggest of any of the 60" screens. The only thing I don't understand is why Japan seems to be able to get them at such an attractive price?

I have a bad feeling this panel is going to be priced pretty high. If you look at what is currently out there in the 60" range, they all MSRP for over 10 Gs. I wouldn't be surprised to see this 65" come in at about $15,000. It will have the latest technology (1080p) and be the biggest of any of the 60" screens. The only thing I don't understand is why Japan seems to be able to get them at such an attractive price?

It is my understanding that the unit in Japan that was available last November is a 1080p res HDTV, BUT it does not accept the 1080p input signals, ie doesn't have the newer electronics that the current 60/600U sets have.

I don't understand how the electronics could bias the cost that much higher, since the current 60/600U sets are not higher in cost compared to their 50/500U sets.

I will be in touch once I hear back from Pany PR ( I have already corresponded with them and should get a reply by Monday on this issue).

Bob

This makes little sense.

First of all, screen resolution has nothing to do with internal processing other than they end up at the same value.

Internal 1080p processing is very important. The best 1080i deinterlacing means converting to 1080p60 followed by scaling to NR of the display. It's also important for a display to accept 1080p24 or 1080p60 input if you plan to adopt Blue Ray. This will allow simple frame duplication of the native 1080p24 on the disc to 1080p60 followed by scaling to the NR of the display. This is easy compared to 1080i inverse telecine processing which is required if 1080i input is all that's possible.

Comparatively speaking, 1080p screen resolution is much less important unless you qualify form the aspect of screen size/viewing distance.

If you like plasma, you'll spread this message.:)

CpCat:

It makes complete sense. Youre a smart guy, so perhaps I didnt go a good job in conveying my message. I'll explain using an example of a companies research project.

A simple PDA screen does not have nor does it require HDTV resolution (pixels). However, when trying to develop an OTA reciever for a PDA it's also clear that the horse power required to process ever pixel is not available within the system. We can get the data into the system - but that is where things break. Bascially, it boils down to a throughput issue (pixels / second). It is not feasible to perform color space and convolution kernels across the fields. So, as an amends we recieve 1080i signals, then do some funky data decimation and process only what you can see.

My brothers FP display can accept 1080i - but its internal scalar (and other electronics) were cheap and thus toss out about half the resolution. Another example of this is the single NTSC field that is captured be the older VHS machines. When originally designed the bandwidth of the tape and player could not handle the 480 lines - so they basically tossed the odd fields. But, as you can see the VHS player and FP display can accept the signals - they just do evil things to them once inside.


The PDA and FP displays are not native to the input signals - so those examples need to understood with that in mind. Not the best - but I think you get the picture.

Lets take that to the Panny 1080p panel. Bare with me. We (the A/V) industry are just starting to go 1080p. Chip sets, algorithms, and components are not mature. Panny has just achieved the pixel density of 1920x1080. This is great news. BUT... just because Panny has a 1080p worth of pixels AND can accept a 1080p source BR signal DOES NOT mean it will process the data into the glory that you and I so desire. It's purley a function of electonics - and I believe because we are in this infancy stage of 1080p that shortcuts may be taken by the engineers.

My disclaimer is- the set has not been released- so I do not know what it can or can not do. Considering the recent rumors of the price tag this set ought to do 1080p processing and wash my dishes as well.

I hope this makes sense.

:)

Lets say you type in 65PX600U in google and do a search. You will find at least one retailer online that is advertising a Preorder price that is half this supposed $20k MSRP!! :confused:

Maybe I should preorder.... :D

So, what does this retailer know that is SO different from this story's MSRP??? :confused:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/panasonic2006.html

Lets say you type in 65PX600U in google and do a search. You will find at least one retailer online that is advertising a Preorder price that is half this supposed $20k MSRP!! :confused:

Maybe I should preorder.... :D

So, what does this retailer know that is SO different from this story's MSRP??? :confused:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/panasonic2006.html

The retailer (and I know which one you are talking about) jumped the gun. Nothing more to the story.

The main dude from HDTVExpert.com (Peter Putman) went to a NYC panasonic unvieling on the 58" and BR player. Somewhere at the event he "found out" that MSRP will be $20k. The thing is Panny has not officially said this- so like many other folks it boils to nothing more than what the online retailer is doing- jumping the gun.

Lets take that to the Panny 1080p panel. Bare with me. We (the A/V) industry are just starting to go 1080p. Chip sets, algorithms, and components are not mature. Panny has just achieved the pixel density of 1920x1080. This is great news. BUT... just because Panny has a 1080p worth of pixels AND can accept a 1080p source BR signal DOES NOT mean it will process the data into the glory that you and I so desire. It's purley a function of electonics - and I believe because we are in this infancy stage of 1080p that shortcuts may be taken by the engineers.

My disclaimer is- the set has not been released- so I do not know what it can or can not do. Considering the recent rumors of the price tag this set ought to do 1080p processing and wash my dishes as well.


assjack1, I do see where you are coming from. But I do not see your hypothetical situation as a likely scenario. We must keep in mind that so far, we have not seen any such device that has 1080p resolution and also accepts 1080p that is losing any resolution from the incoming source. This would include Sceptre and Westinghouse LCDs as well as HP DLPs.

Let's hope the HTDV experts information was "garbled" in translation. Maybe the 103" is listing for 20K. That would be about right ;)

- Rich

assjack1, I do see where you are coming from. But I do not see your hypothetical situation as a likely scenario. We must keep in mind that so far, we have not seen any such device that has 1080p resolution and also accepts 1080p that is losing any resolution from the incoming source. This would include Sceptre and Westinghouse LCDs as well as HP DLPs.

You may be right on the extremely few 1080p panels out there. I was just bringing up the point and hoping the engineers avoid THIS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=608670) situation.

We all have high expectations - and I do hope for the best.

THe funny thing is- I am more concerned with the outrageous $20 price tag more than anything else.

Cheers.

Let's hope the HTDV experts information was "garbled" in translation. Maybe the 103" is listing for 20K. That would be about right ;)

- Rich

Yeah. I perhaps when keying the price he meant to hit 'tab' then hit the number one. Yeah, that's the ticket. Everything makes sense now. ;)

Here's another thing that strikes me IF this MRSP is true for the Panny 65."

Given how cheaply that display is found in Japan, and given the price tag of the current 720p 65" model (which can be found for just over $8,000), the premium Panasonic is asking for simply buying up to 1080p is enormous. Around $10,000. Virtually double the price is you want 1080p.

Compare that to other technologies. You can buy 1080p displays from top names like Sony and Toshiba, at comparative sizes. You can get 1080p res at 60" from Sony SXRD for around $3,000. Around $15K cheaper than the Panasonic. You can get 72" of excellent 1080p quality from Toshiba DLP at around $4,000. $14K cheaper for 1080p at a bigger size!.

If Panasonic really expects just under 20K to acquire 1080p, that is saying their plasma technology, in terms of what plasma can offer resolution/price-wise, is not even remotely competitive with the established 1080p technologies of DLP and SXRD.

It just looks really bad, to me, in terms of trying to pitch plasma as a reasonable alternative when trying to decide which 1080p display to buy.

Whereas Panasonic certainly had produced a very significant alternative to RPTVs when they produced 720p plasmas at such enticing prices - prices that actually were in the ball park enough for someone considering a display of that size "Hey, the plasma doesn't cost much more than the RPTV...maybe I can go plasma."

That advantage seems utterly lost, if the MRSP of 20K turns out to be true. It's back to niche-ville for plasmas at that range.

I concur fully with RH, $20K is absolutely nuts if true. Hoping not because like a lot of others this is the dream machine I've been looking forward to. Thought I'd bypass 50" and go straight to 65 1080p. Alternative is the 58" at 720p. Frankly I can see $20K, here in the Great White North LG 60" had an MSRP of C$14,999. An extra 5" and 1080p and the Panny Brand name could drive it to $20K but worse that's US$ so likely C$23K in Canada. Disappointing but it aint over till its over , lets not panic lets wait for the official Panny announcement.

...Virtually double the price is you want 1080p....
Which is double the pixel count!!! I agree that other technologies allow lesser prices, but Sharp set the 65" MSRP at $20k+, so why shouldn't Panasonic? Because none of us would buy it? That may not be a measure of what they are thinking at this time. Remember, when Sony released the 34" HD CRT they had a MSRP of about $10k as I recall, and the street price was around $8k! They didn't want to make them yet, but they would sell a few if you fell for it! Maybe that's what Panasonic is planning for the first year, and then ramp up for real production of the fine pitch displays thereafter. Just a thought!

I walked into a client's house the other day, and hanging on his wall was the 65" Sharp! So, some folks are stepping up to purchase them!

Folks, there wouldn't be that big a price difference between Japan and the US market.

Let the dust settle and then see what they sell for.

It is my understanding that the unit in Japan that was available last November is a 1080p res HDTV, BUT it does not accept the 1080p input signals, ie doesn't have the newer electronics that the current 60/600U sets have.

I don't understand how the electronics could bias the cost that much higher, since the current 60/600U sets are not higher in cost compared to their 50/500U sets.

I will be in touch once I hear back from Pany PR ( I have already corresponded with them and should get a reply by Monday on this issue).

Bob


Hello Jim?

The set in Japan is NOT the 65PX600(it is the 65PX500). I believe that is correct?
As I said above, it IS 1080p, but does not have the electronics of the 600U.
And as I said above, I also do not see the electronics making that much price difference. So, I too am baffled about the large increase.

As was said, since these are made in Japan, you do have to factor in shipping and import fees, etc. But, I doubt it would add that much.

As I also said above, I am checking on this articles validity with Panny's PR dept. and should have the info Mon/Tue this next week. I will let you know what is said about this article from PR.

I moved from DILA with anamorphic lens and Vigatec processing to the commercial 50 Panny. I still have the system but I have too much light in a new place to use it easily.

At 20k, can you say Ruby? I can. And I will deal with the light control issues.

I still think it will street for 10k and likely less. Or there will be glut on the market. I personally think that a preponderance of 50 inch 768 PDP buyers see the 65 1080P PDP as their preferred upgrade path. But at 6+ times the price (street at 3k to MSRP at 20k which is apples to oranges I know), most will sit and watch the war. Or thumb their noses at the arrogance and warm up to some very appealing alternatives. Not a good scenario for Panny who paid for a brand-name buy-in with reduced prices. 10k or less. Likely less.

Vince

I'm starting to think the $20k price was an early April fools joke.

I'm starting to think the $20k price was an early April fools joke.
I concur with that one as it makes no sense.

If you check the Qualia thread someone posted a very good Press Release Blu-Ray announcement of a price reduction to beat Toshiba down to $299.99. Whoever created it did a very nice job. This seems more likely the same as the Onyx 65" MSRP over a year ago in that range and now is about half what it was.

I agree - April Fools is the more likely scenario as it's just not Panasonic's style to market themselves to the Elite - they've made their mark making panels affordable to the middle class consumer which is why they hold 40% of the PDP market. :)

IMHO, it is no coincedence that the first Panny 1080p PDP is 65". Density is going to be expensive, and I suspect it may actually be easier to make a 65" than a 50" at the same native pixel count. Has there been an announcement of the schedule for a 50" 1080p?

Yield has to go up before the price can come down.

Panny may well start the MSRP at $20000 as rediculous as it may seem.
1. This gives them plenty room to come down.
2. This item will start out slow even if it is $10,000 as the 1080i/ 720p is a much more affordable unit
3. 1080p Content currently is limited.


WE WILL ALL KNOW SOON ENOUGH.

I wrote to Pete Putman about the pricing in his article, and he replied:

"My mistake. The actual SRP is $9,995, not $19,995. It has been corrected accordingly.

The availability (September 2006) was announced at the line show.

PP"

Boy, do I feel a whole lot better,
:D :D :D :D :D :D

Swing!

Thanks for clearing this up! I'm back to buying (if I can find one. Hope there's not a shortage!)

Thanks for clearing this up! I'm back to buying (if I can find one. Hope there's not a shortage!)

Good luck getting one this year ;)

What's the holdup? Not available until September? Haven't they been saying "Summer" all along here. Pisses me off :(

"Next up with a high-definition Blu-ray Disc player announcement is Panasonic Consumer Electronics Company. The Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-ray Disc player is the company's first, but it won't be available until September 2006. The DMP-BD10 will be released at the same time as Panasonic’s first 1080p Plasma TVs this fall, which are optimized for Blu-ray’s high definition entertainment capabilities."

It appears to me that the 65"er will be out this fall(as much as I would like to see it sooner), and that is the timing that Panasonic is looking for to get the biggest wow factor when connected to their Blu-ray player.

What a combination: the 65" PDP, Blu-ray player, and their new receiver all compatible with each other and producing drop dead gorgeous video and audio. :D


http://www.newlaunches.com/archives/panasonic_dmp-bd10_its_first_high-def_blu-ray_player.php

:rolleyes:
As I indicated above, Panny's marketing plan is to release this 65" 1080p along with their new Blu-ray player at the same time...in September.

What a show that will be!!! :D

They also have a new receiver that ties everything together for a no-brainer operation.

Its only 5 months..... I can wait. :)

I wrote to Pete Putman about the pricing in his article, and he replied:

"My mistake. The actual SRP is $9,995, not $19,995. It has been corrected accordingly.

The availability (September 2006) was announced at the line show.

PP"

Boy, do I feel a whole lot better,
:D :D :D :D :D :D


I just visited HDTVExpert.com and it has not been corrected there.

FYI,

Rich

This site? Looks fine here:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/panasonic2006.html

What's the holdup? Not available until September? Haven't they been saying "Summer" all along here. Pisses me off :(

Still on schedule. Summer goes through Sept 21. ;)

This site? Looks fine here:
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_b/panasonic2006.html

Yep. It is there. Perphaps I was getting a cached page from my browser. Very nice :)

- Rich

Still on schedule. Summer goes through Sept 21. ;)

Ha. So we should figure on a Sept 20th on-sale date? ;)

I wrote to Pete Putman about the pricing in his article, and he replied:

"My mistake. The actual SRP is $9,995, not $19,995. It has been corrected accordingly.

The availability (September 2006) was announced at the line show.

PP"

Boy, do I feel a whole lot better,
:D :D :D :D :D :D


YAAAA! I just couldn't make sense of the 20k figure.

The Panny 65 is back in the game!

I'm thinking that the price of the 58" is pretty nice at $5,500 and $6k! But, compare a Pioneer 50" 1080p to the 65" 1080p at the same price??? Pioneer's better do some real tricks to sell enough to pay the R&D.

Heh. I waited so long to upgrade that by the time I was thinking about "finally moving up to 50 inches," 50 inches was looking too small, so it was up to 65." Now, by the time I'm ready to buy
65" that ol' 103" Panny will be out and....

LOL. Who am I kidding?

I'd love to see Panasonic come out with, say, a 75 to 85 inch plasma. That would be a real sweet spot for my set-up.

Let me add just one word: Whew!

Heh. I waited so long to upgrade that by the time I was thinking about "finally moving up to 50 inches," 50 inches was looking too small, so it was up to 65." Now, by the time I'm ready to buy
65" that ol' 103" Panny will be out and....

LOL. Who am I kidding?

I'd love to see Panasonic come out with, say, a 75 to 85 inch plasma. That would be a real sweet spot for my set-up.

103" would be just fine. Good think I have a 400AMP service.

Also, a modest lottery win would be required :D

- Rich

103" would be just fine. Good think I have a 400AMP service.

Also, a modest lottery win would be required :D

- Rich

Yep.

Could you imagine how visceral Hi-Def and HD movies could appear on a 103" friggin' plasma in your home?

I know I can. :D

Yep.

Could you imagine how visceral Hi-Def and HD movies could appear on a 103" friggin' plasma in your home?

I know I can. :D

Yes. I can. I can also imagine the 5 people required to lift the thing in place. This is a problem I would not mind having ;)

- Rich

Has anyone calculated the seating dimension that would be proper for a 103" display? Rounding off to 4 times the screen size of a 61-65" display, where would the Barcoloungers need to be placed for this beauty??? :rolleyes:

I wrote to Pete Putman about the pricing in his article, and he replied:

"My mistake. The actual SRP is $9,995, not $19,995. It has been corrected accordingly.

The availability (September 2006) was announced at the line show.

PP"

Boy, do I feel a whole lot better,
:D :D :D :D :D :D

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now will they have a commercial version available at the same time so they can "politely" rob my bank account :D

Has anyone calculated the seating dimension that would be proper for a 103" display? Rounding off to 4 times the screen size of a 61-65" display, where would the Barcoloungers need to be placed for this beauty??? :rolleyes:

Using THIS (http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html)
screen size/viewing distance calculator:

14ft from screen to achieve recommended SMPTE viewing angle.

16.2 ft maximum recommended THX viewing distance.

11.5 ft for THX recommended viewing angle.

Note that a distance from viewing seat to 103" plasma, for viewing regular NTSC channels would be 35.9 feet. :eek: :p

Here's a little mathematical price speculation, while we wait for September to roll around.

Looking around the internet, I was able to find the following:

TH-42PHD8UK - MSRP: $2995.00
TH-42PX500U - MSRP: $3995.00

TH-50PHD8UK - MSRP: $3995.00
TH-50PX500U - MSRP: $5495.00

In both of those cases, the MSRP for the industrial model is about 75% of the MSRP for the consumer model.

So let's assume that the MSRP for the TH-65PX600U is indeed $9995.00. If this same trend holds true this year, we might see the 65" 1080p industrial model MSRP for about $7495.00

Further searching yields fairly linear discounts on the street price of the industrial models compared to the MSRPs. It's against forum rules to post these exact prices, but in general, these models street for about 72% of their MSRPs.

If this same trend holds true this year, we might see the 65" 1080p industrial model street for about $5400.00.

Of course, this is all wild specaualtion, but it is possible. All I can say is WOW, that would be cool!!

Here's a little mathematical price speculation, while we wait for September to roll around.

Looking around the internet, I was able to find the following:

TH-42PHD8UK - MSRP: $2995.00
TH-42PX500U - MSRP: $3995.00

TH-50PHD8UK - MSRP: $3995.00
TH-50PX500U - MSRP: $5495.00

In both of those cases, the MSRP for the industrial model is about 75% of the MSRP for the consumer model.

So let's assume that the MSRP for the TH-65PX600U is indeed $9995.00. If this same trend holds true this year, we might see the 65" 1080p industrial model MSRP for about $7495.00

Further searching yields fairly linear discounts on the street price of the industrial models compared to the MSRPs. It's against forum rules to post these exact prices, but in general, these models street for about 72% of their MSRPs.

If this same trend holds true this year, we might see the 65" 1080p industrial model street for about $5400.00.

Of course, this is all wild specaualtion, but it is possible. All I can say is WOW, that would be cool!!

My credit card is waiting :D

My credit card is waiting :D

Hah! Mine beat you to the draw! (Jostles with D-Nice in line-up).

If you do indeed acquire the Panasonic 65er, what are your plans D-Nice? Would you use it as is? Or perhaps with an HTPC or an external Video Processor?

Hah! Mine beat you to the draw! (Jostles with D-Nice in line-up).

If you do indeed acquire the Panasonic 65er, what are your plans D-Nice? Would you use it as is? Or perhaps with an HTPC or an external Video Processor?

I'm using it in my new media room and will be used 80% for HD-DVD/BR movies and 20% football games :D. I will definitely be getting an external video processor (DVDO's VP50 should be out by then) as I personally do not like the new processors in the 9G Panasonics. I've seen some nasty picture smearing during fast moving scenes on the PX60s.

Since my new home is pre-wired for a gigabit network, maybe I should look into the HTPC option.

I'm assuming you are referring to the 65 inch commercial as the 65 consumer will most likely not support NR over HDMI/DVI. :(

If the commercial is circa 5500.00 street, you can count me in as well. :)

I'll look hard at the NEC 61XR5 though.

Out of curiosity, is anyone else wrestling with the idea of a projector vs the Big Plasma route?
It's kind of driving me nuts. I can imagine the impact of a big projection screen in the (smallish) room I'll be using for my new display. But I keep getting drawn back to plasma.

I recently compared the King Kong DVD on the latest Sim2 C3X DLP (3 chip) projector, vs on the Panasonic Onyx 64" plasma. I saw the usual trade-offs in each display. Plasma punchier, more window-like; projector bigger more enveloping, more film-like. If I had a FP-sized plasma image, problem solved. But as it is...trade-offs, trade-offs....

Anyone else?

Out of curiosity, is anyone else wrestling with the idea of a projector vs the Big Plasma route?
It's kind of driving me nuts. I can imagine the impact of a big projection screen in the (smallish) room I'll be using for my new display. But I keep getting drawn back to plasma.

I recently compared the King Kong DVD on the latest Sim2 C3X DLP (3 chip) projector, vs on the Panasonic Onyx 64" plasma. I saw the usual trade-offs in each display. Plasma punchier, more window-like; projector bigger more enveloping, more film-like. If I had a FP-sized plasma image, problem solved. But as it is...trade-offs, trade-offs....

Anyone else?

I have only half entertained the idea. If it was for a dedicated movie room I would do it. There, I would not have to worry about lighting, specialized cabling, backup power for the bulb cool down and added bulb costs. Not to mention mounting and keeping the projector pointed and focused.

With the plasma in a general purpose TV/Movie room it looks like I can get the brightness and the size I need with the least amount of fuss. Fuss is key in my mind.

It seems you are really aching to upgrade from the Panasonic ED set that you have commented on in your postings. I can't offer much comfort. I will say I think the 1080p is truthfully beyond me for the next year. A year is not log enough to hold off an upgrade so the 50" 600u or the 58" 600u seem like real possibilities to meet my manic urges.

Out of curiosity, is anyone else wrestling with the idea of a projector vs the Big Plasma route?
It's kind of driving me nuts. I can imagine the impact of a big projection screen in the (smallish) room I'll be using for my new display. But I keep getting drawn back to plasma.

I recently compared the King Kong DVD on the latest Sim2 C3X DLP (3 chip) projector, vs on the Panasonic Onyx 64" plasma. I saw the usual trade-offs in each display. Plasma punchier, more window-like; projector bigger more enveloping, more film-like. If I had a FP-sized plasma image, problem solved. But as it is...trade-offs, trade-offs....

Anyone else?
I've thought the same thing recently as got pretty bored waiting on something new and spent alot of time in the VP threads and it seems many of the projector folks use VP's extensively and just for the heck of it I started reviewing the projectors and I saw folks raving about this new Samsung 710AE DLP that was developed by Joe Kane (supposed to be a legend in HT business?) for Samsung and has been shown at many of the trade shows and a pj that was over $10K a short while ago and now has an MSRP under $4K. Don't know that I've read so many rave reviewers as I have with it on any part of the forum. Jason Turk did a review. It looks really good if one has a room with controlled lighting. Forgive me as this is plasma thread but placing a 100" display on a quality screen sounds pretty good with the right lighting anyways. Just a thought and hell we've got many months of waiting to ponder? ;)

... and hell we've got many months of waiting to ponder...

So is the money buring a hole in your pocket like mine? Am I correct to say that you are onboard getting one of these bad boys? Who woulda' thunk. ;) :D

RH - I cant imagine you bringing anything other than a 65" 1080p Panny Plasma home. And that would be just the start, you'll then have to figure out what type of external scaler you'll be hooking up.

Tnorth

Trunorth,

It does seem to be...(engages deep resonant voice)....My Destiny!.

BTW, the new Pannys should be in at Kromer in a week or two.

Have you heard of anyone else in T.O. showing them yet?

Cheers,

Hey Rich - Kromer in a week or two, hmmm, better blacks than my 42" 8th Gen, double hmmm, 65" of 1080p resolution, triple hmmm , ahh make that a home run. The guy at BayBloor did tell me end of April. I drive down to T.O. so I prefer the parking at BayBloor in MLife Ctr but listen I'll go anywhere it takes to look at the dream machine, Bathurst isnt that far out of the way and I can stop at the Open Window Bakery on the way down. BayBloor will have it priced high, Kromer will provide a one year one pixel guarantee which I like especially with the number of pixels at 1920 x 1080.
You know the 50" and 58" will be out there at really terrific pricing BUT that 65" is just an incredible draw , you buy anything less and it's the moth to the flame I know I'll keep coming back to look at the Premiere Flat Panel. Bank account vs emotion, head vs heart, I am not sure which one will win in my case, I hoping for some reasonable C$ pricing.

Hey Rich - Kromer in a week or two, hmmm, better blacks than my 42" 8th Gen, double hmmm, 65" of 1080p resolution, triple hmmm , ahh make that a home run. The guy at BayBloor did tell me end of April. I drive down to T.O. so I prefer the parking at BayBloor in MLife Ctr but listen I'll go anywhere it takes to look at the dream machine, Bathurst isnt that far out of the way and I can stop at the Open Window Bakery on the way down. BayBloor will have it priced high, Kromer will provide a one year one pixel guarantee which I like especially with the number of pixels at 1920 x 1080.
You know the 50" and 58" will be out there at really terrific pricing BUT that 65" is just an incredible draw , you buy anything less and it's the moth to the flame I know I'll keep coming back to look at the Premiere Flat Panel. Bank account vs emotion, head vs heart, I am not sure which one will win in my case, I hoping for some reasonable C$ pricing.

Whoops, apparently it wasn't clear I was referring only to the 42"/50" 9th gen Pannys (I presume the 60U versions) showing up at Kromer, not the 1080p 65" model. If that were appearing so soon I'd be jumping up and down. I can't get any specifics from anyone as to when the 1080p model will ever show up.

Seems as though Panasonic Direct was told no shipments of any PLASMAS for
10-12 Weeks, Which puts us in JULY. The wait seems to be getting longer.
I've spotted the 60U's in several stores so for those that really can't wait.......




I also realize that the reps at Panny are not that good at being well informed
(No fault of theirs)

It seems like in my area, smAlbany NY... most of the current stock of PX60Us at the local B&Ms... BB, CC & Tweeters are already sold-out with pre-orders. Presumably the same thing will occur with the 600Us. If you are interested in obtaining a 9th generation consumer model Panasonic PDP, most likely you will need to pre-order one and be prepared to pay MSRP for it; otherwise you will probably be shut-out until next year when the 10th generation 1080p PDPs hit the stores, which may be a good thing. ;)

Out of curiosity, is anyone else wrestling with the idea of a projector vs the Big Plasma route?
It's kind of driving me nuts. I can imagine the impact of a big projection screen in the (smallish) room I'll be using for my new display. But I keep getting drawn back to plasma.

I recently compared the King Kong DVD on the latest Sim2 C3X DLP (3 chip) projector, vs on the Panasonic Onyx 64" plasma. I saw the usual trade-offs in each display. Plasma punchier, more window-like; projector bigger more enveloping, more film-like. If I had a FP-sized plasma image, problem solved. But as it is...trade-offs, trade-offs....

Anyone else?

I'm presently planning both. I am waiting to buy the 65" Panny the moment I can get one. This will be used for most regular viewing in the room. However, I will also have a 119" screen that will drop down over the plasma screen. This will be used for movie viewing when light control is appropriate, and for larger groups.

Marc

I'm presently planning both. I am waiting to buy the 65" Panny the moment I can get one. This will be used for most regular viewing in the room. However, I will also have a 119" screen that will drop down over the plasma screen. This will be used for movie viewing when light control is appropriate, and for larger groups.

Marc

For me, this is the best solution for a HT setup. First, get the 1080p 60+" Plasma. Second HT upgrade, add the 1080p Projector w/120"+ screen. Only then, will I be in AV Heaven!!!...until the NEXT HT upgrade.:D

Guys,

Glad to hear the suggested MSRP on the 65 inch 600U has been corrected. I agree that supplies will be tight until year end.

Has anyone seen the final SIZE of the panel specs for the TH-65PX600u? Thanks.