PANASONIC HAS OFFICIALLY MOVED RELEASE DATE

I spoke with a Panasonic rep today. Their story has changed since last week (when they were still sticking to a September release date). The release date for the 65PX600U will be mid-October and the stores will probably not have them until late October. The release will coincide with their Blu-Ray and integrated 7.1 sound system. It looks like they will be marketing the TV, Blu-Ray and sound system as a package... one remote operate operates everything and possible discounts for package buying. (This last sentence is from earlier press releases quoting Panasonic officers.)

I also asked when the specs would be released. She didn't know.

This thread started on 8/5/2005 and its now 8/30/2006. Can we call this TV "vaporware" ? Its taking forever.

This thread started on 8/5/2005 and its now 8/30/2006. Can we call this TV "vaporware" ? Its taking forever.

If the 65 inch PZ doesn't make it on Friday in Japan, I might start agreeing with, but...

Originally Posted by D-Nice
TH-65PX500U = TH-65PX600U

TH-65PZ600U = TH-65PZ700U

Hope this helps.

So, evidently it has been released...just not in this country.

This thread started on 8/5/2005 and its now 8/30/2006. Can we call this TV "vaporware" ? Its taking forever.
:eek: That’s pretty comical. A guy whose tag line is “waiting for SED” is talking about vaporware. :rolleyes: I guess, as they say, misery loves company.

PANASONIC HAS OFFICIALLY MOVED RELEASE DATE

I spoke with a Panasonic rep today. ...

The track record of "I spoke with a Panasonic rep" messages hasn't been good. This all sounds sensible, but I don't see that it is particularly more believable then any preceeding rumor.

I still want a September surprise. On the other hand if we get a committed date and it is October, that would be a whole lot better then rumors.

The track record of "I spoke with a Panasonic rep" messages hasn't been good. This all sounds sensible, but I don't see that it is particularly more believable then any preceeding rumor.

I still want a September surprise. On the other hand if we get a committed date and it is October, that would be a whole lot better then rumors.

You may still want a September surprise, but it looks like this will not happen. As the great philosopher Mick Jagger once said, "You can always get what you want, but if try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need." ;)

I don't know what Auditor55problem is. The panels were never going to hit US shores until Sept (now supposedly delayed until October). He needs to read the entire thread to understand that vaporware has does not apply here whatsoever.

The release date for the 65PX600U will be mid-October and the stores will probably not have them until late October.

I received an e-mail from a dealer today informing me that he will not have 65/600s to deliver until early November. The commercial Panny 65 and Pio 1540 just moved up a notch on my short list.

Ah ha! Bingo!

Oct-Nov now! So, we get the Sept 1st release in Japan of the new PZ series and............ a couple of months later, just like the 60/600U series, the release of a 65" 1080p set in the USA.

Humm, bet it is the entire lineup of the PZ 1080p sets that hits the USA in Oct-Nov....the time line is perfect! :D

Merry Christmas Bob...... :D :D :D

How far in advance of a release does Panny put out the specs? Or does it?

I am not sure that this is going to work. I am very close to cancelling my TH-65PX600u order and just get a Sony 60 inch SXRD (XBR2) instead. At least the Sony units actually ship. I would also save about $5k.

Why should I not do this right now? I cannot believe how idiotic Panasonic has been with this set. Simply unbelievable in such a competitive space. They really want to give market share away. The General Motors of HDTV? Will Samsung be the Toyota?

Argh...

I received an e-mail from a dealer today informing me that he will not have 65/600s to deliver until early November. The commercial Panny 65 and Pio 1540 just moved up a notch on my short list.

If you like plasma and like the plasma blacks, you'd be foolish to jump on an LCD rather than wait a couple of more months. But that's just MO.

I agree...I just returned a 46" LCD panel (the new Samsung 46 inch display). Blacks were awful, screen door effect, image retention, and horrible upscaling. I'd never go near an LCD again...well...I'll still use one for my PC. I'm waiting for the 65" 1080p. Whenever it comes, it comes. In the meantime I replaced the LCD with a Pioneer PDP-5070 which is magnificent...I think I'd probably be very happy with a PDP-6070 which I just saw in Best Buy and save myself a bundle....hmmm.

I agree...I just returned a 46" LCD panel (the new Samsung 46 inch display). Blacks were awful, screen door effect, image retention, and horrible upscaling. I'd never go near an LCD again...well...I'll still use one for my PC. I'm waiting for the 65" 1080p. Whenever it comes, it comes. In the meantime I replaced the LCD with a Pioneer PDP-5070 which is magnificent...I think I'd probably be very happy with a PDP-6070 which I just saw in Best Buy and save myself a bundle....hmmm.

Buy a 509UK online and save two bundles ;)

- Rich

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=98050&catGroupId=14624&surfModel=TH-103PF9UK&displayTab=O

Would this set's inability to take 1920x1080 without HD-SDI expansion board have any implications for the 65" 1080p plasma we're all waiting for??? The 103" plasma takes a max 1600x1200 by DVI, "out of the box." (Big box.) If I have to go with HD-SDI to do 1920x1080 input into the 65" plasma...well, see ya later.

scarbrtj:

From all indications the 65" will accept native 1080p via HDMI, DVI and VGA. You are not married to an HD-SDI card.

[url]The 103" plasma takes a max 1600x1200 by DVI, "out of the box.".

Where are you getting this information. I was told that the demo of this unit at Grand Central Station was using the new DVI board from a PC driven at native rate. This information came to me from someone who knows what they are talking about.

There has never been a commercial panel from Panasonic that did not accept NR from a PC/DVI.

- Rich

I just made a 1:1 scale mock up of the 65" PF display. Holy Smokes! That thing is huge.

A cardboard cutout (w/ edges painted black) for the base. Next I printed a 1920x1080 image at 150 dpi scaled to the dimensions of the actual dispay (these were spanned over many 11" x 17" sheets). Using some scissors and tape I was able to create the "display".

It's really big. Bigger than I thought. Now I can tune seating height (position), work on child proofing the display, and refenforcing the 24" on-center studs.

Way too much time on my hands.

I just made a 1:1 scale mock up of the 65" PF display. Holy Smokes! That thing is huge.

A cardboard cutout (w/ edges painted black) for the base. Next I printed a 1920x1080 image at 150 dpi scaled to the dimensions of the actual dispay (these were spanned over many 11" x 17" sheets). Using some scissors and tape I was able to create the "display".

It's really big. Bigger than I thought. Now I can tune seating height (position), work on child proofing the display, and refenforcing the 24" on-center studs.

Way too much time on my hands.

LOL. You've outdone even me in the "things to do while twiddling thumbs waiting for the Panny" mode.

Although, I bet I've got you beat in sheer number of times I've measured and fiddled with locations and seating for that Panny. ;)

I've had to move my plasma twice. Its current location is not ideal, but according to interior design rules, when you enter a room you should not be looking at the back of sofas. So... it's going to have to be where it is. Not to mention where it is there are no windows facing it. So all my measuring and planning was for nothing. It was fun though. Sixty-five is going to be huge, can't wait to see those pics.

according to interior design rules

Where did you hear this? I've seen any number of highly successful, practical designs in which sofas are not against a wall, but grouped with other seating in the center of a space. That's what sofa tables/consoles are made for.

Where did you hear this? I've seen any number of highly successful, practical designs in which sofas are not against a wall, but grouped with other seating in the center of a space. That's what sofa tables/consoles are made for.

We have a 30'x15 room that opens in back of the couch to the kitchen dinning area. The couch is in the middle facing the 65" Plasma.

No frowning here :D

- Rich

with recent panasonic msrp drops anybody know the new msrp on the th65px600u even though it's not released yet?

Although, I bet I've got you beat in sheer number of times I've measured and fiddled with locations and seating for that Panny. ;)

Rich, as long as you've got a seat for me in that theater, all is OK. ;)

LOL. You've outdone even me in the "things to do while twiddling thumbs waiting for the Panny" mode.

Although, I bet I've got you beat in sheer number of times I've measured and fiddled with locations and seating for that Panny. ;)

Yeah, I was bored and hand a few hours (precious) to burn while the children were knapping. Also, it's not too often I come across a single sheet of cardboard that size. (I'd post a pic, but don't have a host). Now I can find perfect viewing height without much fuss. I am trying to avoid Murphy's law prior to recieving the set.

Harkness, your lucky too have many locations and seating options available to you. It's pretty cool that you can much around and find the optimum position. It's part of the fun that goes into our Home Theatre hobby. I on the other hand have one of those living rooms where only one location on the wall is where the set will fit.

I've done almost everything: investigated video processors, mounts, plexiglass protection,built a 1:1 scale model, became intimate with calibration, mastered backlighting, and even become an apprentice construction worker. Who said television is a waste of time!

So does this thread have any Japanese Members or businessmen in Asia that can figure out the Retail on the new 65" Z release? We know pretty much what the previous model went for last Dec but it may help prospectors to know if they've adjusted the price margins on the next version for Asia and how it may transfer to US market. :)

Yeah, I was bored and hand a few hours (precious) to burn while the children were knapping. Also, it's not too often I come across a single sheet of cardboard that size. (I'd post a pic, but don't have a host). Now I can find perfect viewing height without much fuss. I am trying to avoid Murphy's law prior to recieving the set.

Harkness, your lucky too have many locations and seating options available to you. It's pretty cool that you can much around and find the optimum position. It's part of the fun that goes into our Home Theatre hobby. I on the other hand have one of those living rooms where only one location on the wall is where the set will fit.

I've done almost everything: investigated video processors, mounts, plexiglass protection,built a 1:1 scale model, became intimate with calibration, mastered backlighting, and even become an apprentice construction worker. Who said television is a waste of time!
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i think mock ups are very useful.
tinypic will let you host pics free


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tinypic has tiny resolution limits, hence the name. best free host is http://www.imageshack.us/

figure out the Retail on the new 65" Z release?

This is the japanese equivalent of price.com, and it says the 65" is only 753,980 Yen

http://kakaku.com/prdsearch/detail.asp?prdkey=20423014610

that's only abt $6500 ! :)

Yeah, I was bored and hand a few hours (precious) to burn while the children were knapping. Also, it's not too often I come across a single sheet of cardboard that size. (I'd post a pic, but don't have a host). Now I can find perfect viewing height without much fuss. I am trying to avoid Murphy's law prior to recieving the set.

Harkness, your lucky too have many locations and seating options available to you. It's pretty cool that you can much around and find the optimum position. It's part of the fun that goes into our Home Theatre hobby. I on the other hand have one of those living rooms where only one location on the wall is where the set will fit.

I've done almost everything: investigated video processors, mounts, plexiglass protection,built a 1:1 scale model, became intimate with calibration, mastered backlighting, and even become an apprentice construction worker. Who said television is a waste of time!

Hey Jack, I may have missed it, but what will be your viewnig distances? I've measured out that I'll be about 10'-11' away from the 65"er.

Hey Jack, I may have missed it, but what will be your viewnig distances? I've measured out that I'll be about 10'-11' away from the 65"er.

Cajieboy: My little experiment suggests 10'-11' is where my eye want to be. If the content was all HD all the time I'd move it up another 12" - 18" however that wont be the case for many years. However, my couch is limited to it's position where it is now and that is 15' away. Still acceptable.

Cajieboy: My little experiment suggests 10'-11' is where my eye want to be. If the content was all HD all the time I'd move it up another 12" - 18" however that wont be the case for many years. However, my couch is limited to it's position where it is now and that is 15' away. Still acceptable.
assJack1: thanks for the info on your ambitious 65" mock-up. how high off the floor did you find you liked your "set"? ...... i love this forum and all the contributions. hopefully, once i get my 65" (before i'm too old to see it? :) ) i'll be able to return the favor.

rz

Went to Magnolia today. Had the 65px600U in their system. Unfortunately, no inventory, no idea when, no idea etc., etc....

assJack1: thanks for the info on your ambitious 65" mock-up. how high off the floor did you find you liked your "set"? ...... i love this forum and all the contributions. hopefully, once i get my 65" (before i'm too old to see it? :) ) i'll be able to return the favor.

rz

That answer wil have to wait until tommorrow. My automated holding device (e.g. my blonde wife) isnt around. She got tired of hoding the prop yesterday while doing distance. The measurement we liked was the center panel being 39" off the ground. (The bottom was 24" from the floor). Clearly much lower than fireplace height many people use.

I'll try that image shack thing too.

Went to Magnolia today. Had the 65px600U in their system. Unfortunately, no inventory, no idea when, no idea etc., etc....

Thanks to SuperBuck27's advice earlier in this thread I went to my local Magnolia and pre-purchased a 65px600u last night. (Used a Labor Day Best Buy coupon to take some sting out of the purchase price.) My salesman had already pre-sold four and said he was expecting them "any day now...possibly next week...no later than mid-September."

When I told him about the delay until October-November I read on the forums here, he said, "I hope not. The people I pre-sold them won't go for that. I still think it'll be sooner than later." That was his take on it, for what it's worth.

(Looking over the manual, it seems the display does not come with a pedestal stand, which I need. (Some on-line vendors list it as being included, but I guess it's anybody's guess until the damn TV is actually released.) And doing a quick Internet search for the stand (TY-ST65PV500) shows me that it is only available from European vendors--in particular Great Britain. ???)

So, I'm heading back tonight to pre-buy a stand...and grill him again about the plasma's release date.)

Just saw a good sign this TV may be here sooner rather than later also as I just saw it on EBay by ShopSunshine for a quantity of three available for the next 8-9 days.

Yes, they are a NY Dealer but legit - they have their own stores and warehouses like J&R and Datavis and the very first SXRD last year was delivered by them not SonyStyle or anyone else to the shock of most -Bombthroat was the first owner of the SXRD from them. Admittedly they may try and shmooze you on extended warranty and upgraded delivery but my point is to reinforce that it appears the panel is likely arriving sooner than later with yet another piece to this long awaited panel by you folks.

Of course I cannot share the Buy it Now price as it violates the rules. Some may find it reasonable and less than expected though. To me it's priced pretty much where I thought it would be seeing how they don't have much competition with other PDP's and seeing it's less than the Pio 50" 1080P it seems a bargain if the PQ is on par to garner another 15" for less money. :)

westa, if you check the specs it shows the info for a 58"... :eek:

No thanks when they can't even list the specs correctly. ugh :(

westa, if you check the specs it shows the info for a 58"... :eek:

No thanks when they can't even list the specs correctly. ugh :(
For God's sake I wasn't telling you to buy it there my damn point was that the delivery or arrival is SHORTER than others have suggested or may be.

Why don't you read the whole post first besides they don't manufacture TV's they sell boxes just like they all do so what the hell does it matter if you know what the hell is in the specs? Your telling me if a vendor was going to put $1500 in your pocket you say no because you know the specs better than they? That occurs everyday at BB and CC all that counts is what the buyer knows of the specs and damn you folks have had over a year to discuss the specs - if you know and Panny knows and builds the TV who cares what's in an EBay post I like my money greeen and in my pocket rather than a B&M that is just as ignorant unless it's selling you an extended warranty. Good Night! :cool:

For the first time in a long time Panasonic is meeting there statements. I was told in September hte 65PX600U would be out, so lets keep an eye out.

Just saw a good sign this TV may be here sooner rather than later also as I just saw it on EBay by ShopSunshine for a quantity of three available for the next 8-9 days.

Yes, they are a NY Dealer but legit - they have their own stores and warehouses like J&R and Datavis and the very first SXRD last year was delivered by them not SonyStyle or anyone else to the shock of most -Bombthroat was the first owner of the SXRD from them. Admittedly they may try and shmooze you on extended warranty and upgraded delivery but my point is to reinforce that it appears the panel is likely arriving sooner than later with yet another piece to this long awaited panel by you folks.

Of course I cannot share the Buy it Now price as it violates the rules. Some may find it reasonable and less than expected though. To me it's priced pretty much where I thought it would be seeing how they don't have much competition with other PDP's and seeing it's less than the Pio 50" 1080P it seems a bargain if the PQ is on par to garner another 15" for less money. :)

I checked out the eBay site and it appears suspicious. The specs listed are not even close... only 1080i and native resolution of 1366 x 768. The price seems about what has been speculated. I hope someone on this forum leaps first and reports back. Not enough warm and fuzzies for me. It also seems weird nothing has shown up on the Panasonic website and their reps are saying mid-October release.

However, I am going to try to pre-order at my local BestBuy tomorrow and hear what they have to say.

lookout a westy twister has come onshore.....

hideflifestyle has it In Stock in their avs forum special buy section BUT when you try and order it says a preorder. and their price would same some green too :)

the in stock just changed this week even if it is not quite correct, so maybe as westy and chris points out it is coming sooner than later.

i wish costco and continental one pass would carry it to :)

can you bb guys get a product SKU to report to us.

Sorry, Westa. I saw your later post. I didn't mean to beat a dead horse.

anybody can be suspiscious and yes they look to have listed it with the wrong model specs but they are a good ebay seller. just contact them to verify. and as westy points out you maybe one of the 1st to get your hands on this panny 65" 1080P plasma.

Cajieboy: My little experiment suggests 10'-11' is where my eye want to be. If the content was all HD all the time I'd move it up another 12" - 18" however that wont be the case for many years. However, my couch is limited to it's position where it is now and that is 15' away. Still acceptable.

Thanks for the info. Looks like my viewing distance will accomodate a 1080p 65"er just fine.

Settle down westa, no need to unleash the 12 cans of whoopass on the guy for making an observation! Ay Carumba :)

Just returned from the Magnolia where I preordered my set. I was inquiring about purchasing a pedestal stand since it's listed as optional in the manual. The salesman couldn't find the part (TY-ST65PV500) in his system and said that it's strange since he was sure all Panasonic consumer sets came with a stand. (He was also curious as to how I had acquired a manual since he hadn't seen one yet.) He promised to call Panasonic direct on Monday to inquire about the stand and the availability of the plasma. I told him he'd probably have better success on Tuesday since Monday is Labor Day. :p He promised to call me after talking to Panasonic.

Just down the street from my local stand-alone Magnolia there is a Best Buy with a Magnolia store inside of it. To try an experiment, I decided to take a trip down to the Best Buy to see if I could pre-order another TH-65PX600u there (since the stand-alone Magnolias can't accept Best Buys' Reward Zone's cards.) The salesman knew about the set and looked through the store's inventory system to make a pre-order. This is the conversation that followed:

Salesman: That's strange. It's gone. It was in the system, but now it's been deleted.
Me: Deleted? What's that mean?
Salesman: That means we're not going to carry it.
Me: Did you ever have it?
Salesman: Yes. I saw it in the system before. We used to carry it, but now we're not.
Me: The set was never released.
Salesman: Are you sure? According to this we had some, sold out of them, and now it's discontinued.
Me: I'm almost positive you never had any in stock. I went to the stand-alone Magnolia and it's in their system.
Salesman: Is it? That could be since the stand-alone Magnolias deal directly with the vendors while our merchandise is maintained in our own warehouses. We've got the 58 inch Panasonic for sale...

So...

Is TH-65PX600U still coming? Was it discontinued and unreleased in favor of the new PZs that were just released in Japan? Are the PZs coming to the U.S. as rumored in a few short months? (I wonder what the hell I actually preordered? :confused:

(By the way, PriceMad has been advertising the TH-65PX600U as "In stock. Usually ships in 1-2 days" for a week now. But their price is too rich for my blood.)

For God's sake I wasn't telling you to buy it there my damn point was that the delivery or arrival is SHORTER than others have suggested or may be.

Why don't you read the whole post first besides they don't manufacture TV's they sell boxes just like they all do so what the hell does it matter if you know what the hell is in the specs? Your telling me if a vendor was going to put $1500 in your pocket you say no because you know the specs better than they? That occurs everyday at BB and CC all that counts is what the buyer knows of the specs and damn you folks have had over a year to discuss the specs - if you know and Panny knows and builds the TV who cares what's in an EBay post I like my money greeen and in my pocket rather than a B&M that is just as ignorant unless it's selling you an extended warranty. Good Night! :cool:

As long as they deliver the correct panel in perfect working condition and take it back without question if I don't like it then they got my money - specs or no specs :-)

For God's sake I wasn't telling you to buy it there my damn point was that the delivery or arrival is SHORTER than others have suggested or may be.

Why don't you read the whole post first besides they don't manufacture TV's they sell boxes just like they all do so what the hell does it matter if you know what the hell is in the specs? Your telling me if a vendor was going to put $1500 in your pocket you say no because you know the specs better than they? That occurs everyday at BB and CC all that counts is what the buyer knows of the specs and damn you folks have had over a year to discuss the specs - if you know and Panny knows and builds the TV who cares what's in an EBay post I like my money greeen and in my pocket rather than a B&M that is just as ignorant unless it's selling you an extended warranty. Good Night! :cool:

If they can't get the specs correct, why do you think they were able to get the delivery dates correct...my point! Relax man :rolleyes:

anybody can be suspiscious and yes they look to have listed it with the wrong model specs but they are a good ebay seller. just contact them to verify. and as westy points out you maybe one of the 1st to get your hands on this panny 65" 1080P plasma.

There is good reason to be suspicious... so, I don't see your point about how "anybody can be suspicious." In addition, I did send an email to the seller... no word yet. I don't see anyone else jumping on this deal even though this is a forum dedicated to the 65PX600U... so, my guess is that a lot of people are suspicious.

I have posted here numerous times about my dissatisfaction with Panasonic and their vapor ware TH-65PX600U. I pre-ordered my from Magnolia a little over two months ago and was told "early September". I contacted my rep at Magnolia who contacted their national buyer of Panasonic products.

He has been informed that this set should start shipping to Magnolia and other distribution outlets on September 22, 2006. I do not know what that means in terms of getting sets into stores. My rep has been a very reliable source in the past, but who knows. Panasonic's record lately on these things has not been very reliable.

Good luck to all.

SB27


Went to Magnolia today. Had the 65px600U in their system. Unfortunately, no inventory, no idea when, no idea etc., etc....

I have posted here numerous times about my dissatisfaction with Panasonic and their vapor ware TH-65PX600U. I pre-ordered my from Magnolia a little over two months ago and was told "early September". I contacted my rep at Magnolia who contacted their national buyer of Panasonic products.

He has been informed that this set should start shipping to Magnolia and other distribution outlets on September 22, 2006. I do not know what that means in terms of getting sets into stores. My rep has been a very reliable source in the past, but who knows. Panasonic's record lately on these things has not been very reliable.

Good luck to all.

SB27

If they ship any time in September, I would consider that a win. Panasonic never uses "early" when describing ship dates. That was probably your dealer.

- Rich

Rich,

I could not agree more. My dealer has been a pretty straightforward guy. I realize it is out of our control.

It is the first time I have seen a hard date from a Panasonic employee. We will see if it happens.

Good luck.

SB
If they ship any time in September, I would consider that a win. Panasonic never uses "early" when describing ship dates. That was probably your dealer.

- Rich

PANASONIC HAS OFFICIALLY MOVED RELEASE DATE

I spoke with a Panasonic rep today. Their story has changed since last week (when they were still sticking to a September release date). The release date for the 65PX600U will be mid-October and the stores will probably not have them until late October. The release will coincide with their Blu-Ray and integrated 7.1 sound system. It looks like they will be marketing the TV, Blu-Ray and sound system as a package... one remote operate operates everything and possible discounts for package buying. (This last sentence is from earlier press releases quoting Panasonic officers.)

I also asked when the specs would be released. She didn't know.

Well and this from another Panny rep! "late October". Guess we'll see which Panny rep is correct soon. :p

I had a similar experience as Franchot above. I went to my local Best Buy/Magonolia Store and they didn't carry. So, they called a Magnolia only store in another city, who told them they have no record of it on their computers. I tried to use my 12% off coupons to pre-order and they said I couldn't because it wasn't in their system.

I did buy the Panny 50 in. for the bedroom and was able to use the discount. So, the trip wasn't a total loss.

That answer wil have to wait until tommorrow. My automated holding device (e.g. my blonde wife) isnt around. She got tired of hoding the prop yesterday while doing distance. The measurement we liked was the center panel being 39" off the ground. (The bottom was 24" from the floor). Clearly much lower than fireplace height many people use.

I'll try that image shack thing too.


Good to hear (or read), that's the distance I came up with my Mock-up, although I did not paint it, just drew lines on it with a giant magic marker. Glad that I am not the only one who likes to have the center of the screen at my eye level, even though it looks aesthetically challenged.

Ok:

Attrached are pics of my cheesy mock up. It's 1:1 scale based upon 65-8UK numberss. The cardboard came from my bro's new outdoor shed. The pic was some 1920x1080 thing I pulled off the web. I do have a Paris Hilton 1080p, but I didnt want to print that out at work. I made sure the bezel around the top and bottom were correctly measrued and painted the board black ('cylon black')

I printed it twice after bi-cubic resampling the scene to print 300dpi and 150 dpi. I saw no real difference at my viewing distances.

The fact the picture is present at very high resolution really helps nail down seating location. The newspaper mock-up just didn't have the punch. This color image helps tremendously.

I'd choose to sit about 10'/11' if I could (I can't - I'm locked into 15'). The height trials were experimented today. I like about 38"/39" (center of panel). It's a nice trade for standing up behind the couch and sitting on it. (Dropping to 36" would be sweet for pure sitting and laying spawled out.)

Since I have my ideal locations identifed I can now order the mount and start re-enforcing the studs. (Lots of torque for a 65" on with articulating arm). Also, I can order some Cyro to stop the little ones from fingering up the display. Finally I can now position my soone to be new DefTec Mythos on-wall speakers too.

Cheers!

Damn nice job but that looks like and LG to me. ;)

It's amazing in these photo's it's hard to get the sense of size - I've seen number of 70" panels on this site and they simply do not present how really big they are.

I have to build a mockup myself as I may be placing my new larger TV in an upstairs loft and have to figure out if I can manuever it up my stairway before buying. Luckily I still have my Sharp Box so I just need to add to it for the dimension of the new set. Really nice job though but I notice some misconvergence and SDE. You need some Monster Cables. ;)

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does anyone know the height of the jdm pedestal from last year ?

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Yeah thanks, that looks great, but it's difficult to see the actual scale from pictures. I guess it's quite evident just how serious you are about possibly purchasing the 65"er!

Looks great, assJack!

Panasonic should put you on their production line to help get the real 65 inchers assembled and rolled out as we wait...and wait...and...

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does anyone know the height of the jdm pedestal from last year ?

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scratch that Q - found the US version height - 3"


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I talked to someone in Panasonic Tech support (not customer service) today. He confirmed Oct 1st release date (late Sept early Oct -- not worth quibbling about). More importantly (I think) I asked if it supported 1080p/24 and he said "yes" -- he had specs to refer to and was reading off some numbers that didn't make a lot of since to me (refer to my earlier posts as proof I'm new to all this) -- he mentioned 24fps and 25p and I thing 50 and 60 and he read some other stuff. So is this news? If it does 24fps, does it get converted to a 48 or 72 in TV or what? Maybe someone who knows this stuff should call and might get more specific and useful info. The number for switch board is 1888-263-4752 (this is not the regular number on their web site) -- then they will ask for model (th65px600u) and then make sure you tell them that you talked to customer service and they rec'd you talk to tech. support -- wait time for me was 11 minutes -- so prepare to read something as you wait.

Good news Steve, thanks for posting

I talked to someone in Panasonic Tech support (not customer service) today. He confirmed Oct 1st release date (late Sept early Oct -- not worth quibbling about)

Thanks for the info. Things are looking more and more promising. When does Panasonic usually put their new upcoming products up on their website? I see that the 103 inch plasma is listed and there's even a link to their Blu-Ray player which are both supposed to be released after TH-65PX600u.

I talked to someone in Panasonic Tech support (not customer service) today. He confirmed Oct 1st release date (late Sept early Oct -- not worth quibbling about). More importantly (I think) I asked if it supported 1080p/24 and he said "yes" -- he had specs to refer to and was reading off some numbers that didn't make a lot of since to me (refer to my earlier posts as proof I'm new to all this) -- he mentioned 24fps and 25p and I thing 50 and 60 and he read some other stuff.

Thanks for this information. I see this 24/25/50/60 supported in the specs for the 1080P consumer plasma, what is not known is if that support is there for HDMI and DVI or just for the analog outputs.

Time will tell. My sources tell me that 1080P/24 is supported on the commercial 65 1080P via DVI. Still waiting for word on the HDMI connection though.

- Rich

Anyone else see this?

Panasonic announced the 65 inch Plasma full HD TV TH-65PX500 already in 2005 in Japan. Now the Panasonic Viera KIT-TH-65PX600E has gotten a release date in Germany of November 1st.

This large Plasma with full 1080p resolution is supposed to be available in the United States as Panasonic TH-65PX600U. Some small stores are listing it as available for about $8,000, but I could not find it from any retailer I would trust to buy such a TV from. If you know one please email me.

The 65 inch full HD Plasma TV features the latest G9 panel with 5,000:1 contrast ratio, SD Card slot, 3 HDMI interfaces (One in the front) and SRS TruSurround XT with 30W.

Anyone else see this?

Panasonic announced the 65 inch Plasma full HD TV TH-65PX500 already in 2005 in Japan. Now the Panasonic Viera KIT-TH-65PX600E has gotten a release date in Germany of November 1st.

This large Plasma with full 1080p resolution is supposed to be available in the United States as Panasonic TH-65PX600U. Some small stores are listing it as available for about $8,000, but I could not find it from any retailer I would trust to buy such a TV from. If you know one please email me.

The 65 inch full HD Plasma TV features the latest G9 panel with 5,000:1 contrast ratio, SD Card slot, 3 HDMI interfaces (One in the front) and SRS TruSurround XT with 30W.

That's great! Are we getting a rebadged 65PX500, a cross between the new 65PZ600 and 65PX500, or is it just a 65PZ600 rebadged? :confused:

I don't plan on buying a "pig in the poke" until I know more about what the differences are between these various models.

Thanks Panasonic..... :mad:

Westa:

Your right about the mockup pictures not having a reference scale. I took on more pic (for those that care) next to my Honda Pilot SUV. Hope this helps.

That's great! Are we getting a rebadged 65PX500, a cross between the new 65PZ600 and 65PX500, or is it just a 65PZ600 rebadged? :confused:

I don't plan on buying a "pig in the poke" until I know more about what the differences are between these various models.

Thanks Panasonic..... :mad:

Looks to be pz600 based.


http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=5@-@1@13@40@41@@@@@KIT-TH-65PX600E@Viera|Plasma-Bildschirme@&altMod=N&upper=&prop=

Westa:

Your right about the mockup pictures not having a reference scale. I took on more pic (for those that care) next to my Honda Pilot SUV. Hope this helps.
That's hilariously cool. I was thinking it's too bad you can't make up a foldable version to market on the Forum and sell as prototype lifesize and instead of Davyo's blow-up strippers/manikins a fold up or inflatable mockup PDP.

Let's see how long before Davyo see's this. Nice Job! ;)

Translated German Specs. :p


http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eprodukte%2epanasonic%2ede%2fproduct%2fp roduct%2easp%3fsStr%3d5%40%2d%401%4013%4040%4041%40%40%40%40 %40KIT%2dTH%2d65PX600E%40Viera%7cPlasma%2dBildschirme%40%26a ltMod%3dN%26prop%3d

Looks to be pz600 based.


http://www.produkte.panasonic.de/product/product.asp?sStr=5@-@1@13@40@41@@@@@KIT-TH-65PX600E@Viera|Plasma-Bildschirme@&altMod=N&upper=&prop=

Hmmm. 5000:1 contrast ratio. That looks official.

- Rich

Yeah,this is definitely not a rebadged 500.That was 3000:1.

I found this tidbit about the 65" 1080p's pricing in Twice.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6367976.html

Every good, reputable Panny plasma retailer I've contacted recently has been really vague about the 65PX600. Everything from "We don't planny to carry it" to "Not going to appear." So...eventually you have to say...how much is roundtrip airfare to Tokyo :D My buddy checked it out in Tokyo last year, he was mightily impressed. I should've just had him get it then and then schlepped it over here. Somehow.

I'm sure we're all prepared to be pleasantly surprised, of course.

On another note--anybody got a link to the manual yet?

Westa:

Your right about the mockup pictures not having a reference scale. I took on more pic (for those that care) next to my Honda Pilot SUV. Hope this helps.

Thanks Jack, that new pic does put the display size more into scale & perspective. I can EASILY visualize this baby in my living room w/me sitting about 10' away....gotta get control of these damn plasma fever shakes! My hand keeps reaching for my wallet and doing a Dr. Strangelove act.

On another note--anybody got a link to the manual yet?


http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH65PX600U-MULTI.PDF

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH65PX600U-MULTI.PDF
1080p24 is not listed as a supported input format, nor is 1080p48 or 1080p72.

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH65PX600U-MULTI.PDF

Interesting that it has three HDMI inputs. I think the original specs from last year listed it with just two (Although it might have just said "HDMI inputs", not sure. Or that could have been refering to inputs on the backside only.). If this is true, then it seems they may indeed have tweaked things. Whether or not that means this shares more DNA with the newer PZ600 than the older PX500 is still anyone's guess.

And low and behold the 1080p/60 support is there just like it is on the other consumer PX models. It looks like the commercial model will still be favored though, since it is said to support 1080p/24, have 1:1 mode, and have overscan control.

To consolidate

Japanese PZ Specs:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fpanasonic%2ejp%2fviera%2fproducts%2fpz600%2fs pec%2ehtml

Belgian TH-65PV600E Specs:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2epanasonic%2ebe%2fservlet%2fPB%2fmenu%2f 1240551%5fl6%2findex%2ehtml

German TH-65PX600E Specs:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2eprodukte%2epanasonic%2ede%2fproduct%2fp roduct%2easp%3fsStr%3d5%40%2d%401%4013%4040%4041%40%40%40%40 %40KIT%2dTH%2d65PX600E%40Viera%7cPlasma%2dBildschirme%40%26a ltMod%3dN%26prop%3d

Italian TH-65PX600 Specs:
http://translate.google.com/translate?sourceid=navclient&hl=en&u=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2epanasonic%2eit%2fProducts%5fInfo%2easp% 3fM%3d3681%7c603%7c602%7c601%7c4%7c1

US TH-65PX600U Manual
http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TH65PX600U-MULTI.PDF

Behold. A manual. I am speechless. How am I even speaking right now? Speaking ability: I have none. <silence>

I guess this one, versus commercial, is at least offering a modicum of overscan compensation right (97% vs 100%...see page 29, right hand side, "HD size")? And I bet there is a service menu, etc. C U @ Buzzi's place.

I have no problem driving 1920x1080 through DVI from a PC into a 42" 1080p Westinghouse LCD. I expect to be able to do the same with a DVI-->HDMI cable for the 65PX600U, but I'm open for comments about the potential for that.

Unless I missed something, speakers are listed as optional equipment only for the US model. Does that seem exceedingly odd to anyone else?

For those of you who can understand this manual better than I, can this set accept a third party video processor at 1080P and bypass the internal Panasonic video processing? (i.e. via a DVDO or faroudja - something other than a PC). I am really, really hoping that this is the case, as a screen this size needs the very best processing available.

I thought I had read somewhere in this thread some time ago that this ability would only be available on the commercial version of this set.

gkouri:

It's not clear from the manual but I suspect if you set the HD input size to 100% and have the video processor (DVDO) do the processing it appears that it may bypass internal processing. I thought I read somewhere on AVS that it had a 1:1 mapping mode, but I didnt see it in the manual.

Unless I missed something, speakers are listed as optional equipment only for the US model. Does that seem exceedingly odd to anyone else?

According to the manual, the speakers and the stand are supposedly optional. I have a preorder in for the set and my dealer was pretty sure that all Panasonic 600s came with speakers and a stand. When he looked at the manual and saw that they were "optional accessories," he also thought that it was exceedingly odd. He's supposed to get in touch with Panasonic directly to verify if, in fact, they are options or are included.

gkouri:

It's not clear from the manual but I suspect if you set the HD input size to 100% and have the video processor (DVDO) do the processing it appears that it may bypass internal processing. I thought I read somewhere on AVS that it had a 1:1 mapping mode, but I didnt see it in the manual.

Unclear to me too. The 1:1 mapping is available on the 1080P Commercial panel. We may have to wait until someone gets one in hand. Unfortunately, the manual shows the bias toward analog connections for computers. How 90's :rolleyes:

- Rich

For those of you who can understand this manual better than I, can this set accept a third party video processor at 1080P and bypass the internal Panasonic video processing?

The thing that sticks in my head after reading the manual carefully is the following:

"All signal is (sic) reformatted before being displayed on the screen."

On page 52.

While this is ambiguous, the message I am getting here is that even if you send it a 1080p signal and even if you have the display set to "100% mode", you are still technically instantiating the services or the scaler. I will emphasize that, assuming this is the case, it is nevertheless no different than any past Panasonic model - commercial or consumer. However, the upcoming 65PF9UK has reportedly added a "1:1 mode" which will free us from this burden.

All IMHO, of course.

According to the manual, the speakers and the stand are supposedly optional. I have a preorder in for the set and my dealer was pretty sure that all Panasonic 600s came with speakers and a stand. When he looked at the manual and saw that they were "optional accessories," he also thought that it was exceedingly odd. He's supposed to get in touch with Panasonic directly to verify if, in fact, they are options or are included.

Thanks, Franchot. Please post again when you hear back from your dealer. I don't care about the stand, as I plan on using a wall mount, but the prices I've seen for "optional" Panasonic speakers ( and stands ) have been totally outrageous......and not in a good way.

The thing that sticks in my head after reading the manual carefully is the following:

"All signal is (sic) reformatted before being displayed on the screen."

On page 52.

While this is ambiguous, the message I am getting here is that even if you send it a 1080p signal and even if you have the display set to "100% mode", you are still technically instantiating the services or the scaler. I will emphasize that, assuming this is the case, it is nevertheless no different than any past Panasonic model - commercial or consumer. However, the upcoming 65PF9UK has reportedly added a "1:1 mode" which will free us from this burden.

All IMHO, of course.


What is the native resolution of the model? From the manual it tells us it can only accept 1080p60 so one would assume that's not the native resolution/rate.

According to Panasonic's January 2006 Press Release, "The TH-65PX600U is the flagship of Panasonic’s new plasma line with an incredible resolution of 1920 x 1080P."

The trick is getting the proper framerate so it'll bypass it's internal scaler, and that's a question for our experts on the forum.

What is the native resolution of the model? From the manual it tells us it can only accept 1080p60 so one would assume that's not the native resolution/rate.

The native resolution is 1920x1080 @ 60Hz.

I don't understand the logic you are using in your second sentence.

The trick is getting the proper framerate so it'll bypass it's internal scaler, and that's a question for our experts on the forum.

The ability to bypass the scaler would only be the fuction of the framerate if the display were designed in that fashion. Indeed, given what is said in the manual, it does not sound like the 65PX600 does this at all. The commercial model, on the other hand, appears to have been designed expressly with this ability in mind.

So who is getting the first 65" 1080P. Talking with my Panasonic guys and they confirmed this month !!

The ability to bypass the scaler would only be the fuction of the framerate if the display were designed in that fashion. Indeed, given what is said in the manual, it does not sound like the 65PX600 does this at all. The commercial model, on the other hand, appears to have been designed expressly with this ability in mind.

Yes, this 1:1 mode that's been discussed has me confused. What exactly does this do? Is it something one would only need for connecting a PC?

So who is getting the first 65" 1080P. Talking with my Panasonic guys and they confirmed this month !!

Chris, you never answered my question....can you build a swivel stand for this big mamajama?

So who is getting the first 65" 1080P. Talking with my Panasonic guys and they confirmed this month !!

I hope you're right. If you do a Froogle search for th-65px600U you get 11 retailers claiming to be able to sell it to you. Most of them look like fly-by-night operations to me. Many of them have the specs wrong - such as saying its 768p or 50 inch diagonal so obviously they can't be believed. The prices range over 3000 dollars from top to bottom too.

If you find someone who can really deliver one of these puppies I'm sure we'd all like to know about it.

Yes, this 1:1 mode that's been discussed has me confused. What exactly does this do? Is it something one would only need for connecting a PC?

The idea behind the "1:1" mode is to map one pixel from signal to one pixel on the screen. So if you fed the display its native resolution, the image would automatically fill the screen. No stretching (scaling). Of course, if you fed it a signal of some other resolution it would either be letterboxed/sideboxed/both or it would spill over the edges, depending on if it was a lower or higher resolution than that of the display.

This would be very useful for HTPC, yes, but also for DVD/HD DVD/Blu-ray since those should contain very clean source unmangled by the broadcast process.

So who is getting the first 65" 1080P. Talking with my Panasonic guys and they confirmed this month !!

Sorry, since we don't have adequate information about the unit it is difficult to make a purchase decision at this time. Once we know more about this unit and how it compares with the newly released 65PZ600 in Japan then we can make an informed and intelligent purchase.

I am also waiting on Panny's new BR-DVD and Receiver that will work harmoniously with the new 65"er! :)

So to answer your question....I will not be first nor last, but I will be purchasing one in time once more information is released and reviews are available. :cool:

can you build a swivel stand for this big mamajama? Sure, why not. Anything can be made or done.

Will be nice once these are out. Huge, I say. Huge!

There is always someout out there who has to have it, and have it now!

I hope you're right. If you do a Froogle search for th-65px600U you get 11 retailers ...

OK, I see you actually are a a retail outfit yourself. So, OK, I'll bite. Basically the first retailer that can really deliver gets my business. I'm happy to be first. PX600U, PX500, PZ600, 65-9UK I'll take any of those. Can you deliver?

Link to Panasonic official site with description of 65PX600 - in German:

http://www.panasonic.de/presse/detail/ct_detail.aspx?newsID=055e3f12-2eaf-4d12-a37d-171fa1ade415

So who is getting the first 65" 1080P. Talking with my Panasonic guys and they confirmed this month !!

Chris,

I've read nothing but outstanding comments about your company and I wouldn't hesitate to order from you. My only concern is what problems could occur during shipping. Do you have any input or control over who ships your merchandise? Any negative reports in this regard?

Link to Panasonic official site with description of 65PX600 - in German:

http://www.panasonic.de/presse/detail/ct_detail.aspx?newsID=055e3f12-2eaf-4d12-a37d-171fa1ade415

Man, that picture in the living room makes the set look a little 42 inch set. If the 65 incher looked that small in my room, I'd be thinking about trading up to the 103 inch monster.

Link to Panasonic official site with description of 65PX600 - this one to the Italian set:

http://www.panasonic.it/Products_Info.asp?M=3681|603|602|601|4|1

Come on, Panasonic USA. Are we going to be the last country to get the goods?

Franchot et al,

I received another email from my Magnolia sales rep. September 22 is the actual day they are told that the 65 inch sets will start shipping to Magnolia's warehouses. No idea on actual in-store availability -- it should be just a few days thereafter.

Good luck.

SB

Link to Panasonic official site with description of 65PX600 - this one to the Italian set:

http://www.panasonic.it/Products_Info.asp?M=3681|603|602|601|4|1

Come on, Panasonic USA. Are we going to be the last country to get the goods?

Thanks, Franchot. Please post again when you hear back from your dealer. I don't care about the stand, as I plan on using a wall mount, but the prices I've seen for "optional" Panasonic speakers ( and stands ) have been totally outrageous......and not in a good way.

rto,

This is the response I received from Panasonic:

"Dear MR ...

Thank you for your inquiry. This model will be released on September 21,
2006. This model does come with the stand.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support"

Since the manual lists the stand and speakers as both being optional either the consumer support person forgot to mention that the speakers are included or they're not. Take your pick. You might try sending them an e-mail from Panny's website to see what kind of response you get.

Thanks, SB.

As noted from my e-mail from Panasonic I'm getting the same time-frame for the set. Now, I have to investigate the Mitsubishi WS 73831 and 65831 DLPs and see how really good they actually are. Their picture quality is supposed to rival or beat a plasma's with little to no glare problems...at a significantly lower price!

...Now, I have to investigate the Mitsubishi WS 73831 and 65831 and see how really good they actually are. Their picture quality is supposed to rival or beat a plasma's...at a significantly lower price!
I recently saw the new Mitsubishi DLP's at two stores, one was playing a Mitsubishi demo-loop and looked great; the other was fed from the same feed as the other TV's. It still looked good but during some scenes I was surprised to see the dreaded rainbow effect (I've never seen this on another DLP). I didn't see it all the time and never saw it on the set playing the Mitsu loop. All I'm saying is view a variety of programming (including fast movement) before buying one to be certain you're not going to see the DLP rainbows.

The Manual says the 65PX600U weighs 174.2 lbs beside the heading TV Set Only (page 59). I checked on the pedestal weight, which is 55.6 lbs, for a cmobined weight of 229.8 lbs. The TV stand I purchased is not specked to hold this much combined weight. Is there any chance the 174.2 lb weight includes the pedestal, since the picture below on page 59 also shows a pedestal?

Signed,
I think I screwed up

rto,

This is the response I received from Panasonic:

"Dear MR ...

Thank you for your inquiry. This model will be released on September 21,
2006. This model does come with the stand.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support"

Since the manual lists the stand and speakers as both being optional either the consumer support person forgot to mention that the speakers are included or they're not. Take your pick. You might try sending them an e-mail from Panny's website to see what kind of response you get.

Thanks, SB.

As noted from my e-mail from Panasonic I'm getting the same time-frame for the set. Now, I have to investigate the Mitsubishi WS 73831 and 65831 DLPs and see how really good they actually are. Their picture quality is supposed to rival or beat a plasma's with little to no glare problems...at a significantly lower price!

Thanks Franchot. :) It would make zero sense to include a stand, but no speakers.

The Manual says the 65PX600U weighs 174.2 lbs beside the heading TV Set Only (page 59). I checked on the pedestal weight, which is 55.6 lbs, for a cmobined weight of 229.8 lbs. The TV stand I purchased is not specked to hold this much combined weight. Is there any chance the 174.2 lb weight includes the pedestal, since the picture below on page 59 also shows a pedestal?

Signed,
I think I screwed up

For past models the TV weighs in at 175 and the stand is seperate. Sorry that you messed up but atleast you caught the mistake prior to overloading the stand.

Cheers!

Man, that picture in the living room makes the set look a little 42 inch set. If the 65 incher looked that small in my room, I'd be thinking about trading up to the 103 inch monster.
Your absolutely correct it sure appears small in that photo yet anyone that's had a 60+" set knows that is a really deceiving photo - the reality is it'll be huge for a few weeks anyways and then you can apply for a second mortgage for the 103" and a Hi-lo to move it. ;)

BTW - I posted the availability a week ago at ShopSunshine and now they've dropped it by another $1K and yes they are using wrong pics and specs and my point wasn't to instruct where to buy but only to demo availability is soon and pricing appears lower than anticipated and hoped for by many of you folks and now that looks as it's gotten even better. Just use it as a yardstick in matching your budget resources. Real owners should not be that far off now. :)

I'm getting confused here.

Is the 65" 600U 768p or 1080p?

[QUOTE=JimP]I'm getting confused here.

Is the 65" 600U 768p or 1080p?[/QUOTE
The 600U is 1080P.

Here is a CNET Link (http://reviews.cnet.com/Panasonic_TH_65PX600U/4505-6482_7-31639089.html).

- Rich

Thanks Rich,

Reason for my confusion is that the 58" 600U is 768p. It didn't follow that the 65" 600U would be 1080P.

Thanks Rich,

Reason for my confusion is that the 58" 600U is 768p. It didn't follow that the 65" 600U would be 1080P.

Yes. There is room for confusion. The contrast ratio specs are all over the place too. Personally, I prefer the commercial version: TH-65PF9UK (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682757)


I am told by a contact at Panasonic the commercial 65 Plasma support 1080P/24 via its DVI connection. HDMI details are not known. DVI would be fine with me. The downside to HDMI is the ridiculous connector. I had to use many tie wraps to try to secure it while mounting my 509UK.

- Rich

Chris,

I've read nothing but outstanding comments about your company and I wouldn't hesitate to order from you. My only concern is what problems could occur during shipping. Do you have any input or control over who ships your merchandise? Yes, I only can use one shipper on this panel. Any negative reports in this regard? Not as of yet. Either way the Panels are covered 100% for damages..

Yes. There is room for confusion. The contrast ratio specs are all over the place too. Personally, I prefer the commercial version: TH-65PF9UK (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682757)

Rich,

For us noobs, can you detail all the differences between the consumer and commercial versions? I know cosmetically the commercial is all black, but beyond that I don't know much. Thanks.

Jason,

This might help.

http://www.bruzzi.ws/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=29

Thanks Jim!

Everything is acceptable to me except the warranty. No on-site repair? I'm not shlepping a huge 200 lbs. plasma on my back to the nearest service center. :( Is that still the case with these new 1080p commercial models?

For past models the TV weighs in at 175 and the stand is seperate. Sorry that you messed up but atleast you caught the mistake prior to overloading the stand.

Cheers!

Thanks, assJack, it is definitely better to know now than later. I could wall mount, but my wife isn't excited about that. She thinks I won't have it long given my history of "getting the latest new electronic gadget and we will be left with holes in our wall" I have no idea where she got that idea. :rolleyes:

Thanks, assJack, it is definitely better to know now than later. I could wall mount, but my wife isn't excited about that. She thinks I won't have it long given my history of "getting the latest new electronic gadget and we will be left with holes in our wall" I have no idea where she got that idea. :rolleyes:

I too spent countless hours trying to find a nice credeza with a glass top shelf rated at 200+ lbs. I did find some, but recently decided to hang the device on the wall for a more modern look. (Especially after a recent AVS member posted pics of his tempored glass shelf breaking didnt make me feel any better).

This problem now is most articulating mounts have a 200lb load limit. These things extend 36" from the wall. Thats like 600 ft-lbs! Yowza! Re-enforce that puppy!

I too spent countless hours trying to find a nice credeza with a glass top shelf rated at 200+ lbs. I did find some, but recently decided to hang the device on the wall for a more modern look.

That's my decision as well. I cringed when I saw that picture.

This problem now is most articulating mounts have a 200lb load limit. These things extend 36" from the wall. Thats like 600 ft-lbs! Yowza! Re-enforce that puppy!

I've been thinking the same thing, and imagining that moving nearly two hundred pounds back and forth with so much leverage working against the attachment points, might tend to loosen anything not extremely well secured. I'll be anchoring into a concrete block wall, and I've been obsessing about the proper type of hardware to use in order to absolutely insure that I don't come home to find a shattered PDP lying in pieces on the floor. I'd drill all the way through and use bolts with reinforcing plates if I had access to the other side. Unfortunately, I don't. Can anyone recommend another solution that's essentially fool proof?

Since there is already a 786P model 50PX600U, and 58PX600U, there must be a new model number for the 1080P versions. Does anybody know when they are going to come out and under what model name ?
I care more about when rather than what they will be called. But it is confusing with the 65PX600U being 1080P.
Who has a wall mount tilt bracket for the 172 lb monster ???
I need one by the 21st .

Nick

Since there is already a 786P model 50PX600U, and 58PX600U, there must be a new model number for the 1080P versions. Does anybody know when they are going to come out and under what model name ?
I care more about when rather than what they will be called. But it is confusing with the 65PX600U being 1080P.
Who has a wall mount tilt bracket for the 172 lb monster ???
I need one by the 21st .

Nick

Sure they are right here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700904&page=1&pp=30

They were released Sept 1st in Japan....coming to the USA....? :confused:

Thanks for the link but the PZ600U is in Japan.
I don't see a second release of the 65PX600U as 65PZ600U. That does not click.
Anybody else knows when the 50" and 58" 1080P come out ??

Nick

That's my decision as well. I cringed when I saw that picture.



I've been thinking the same thing, and imagining that moving nearly two hundred pounds back and forth with so much leverage working against the attachment points, might tend to loosen anything not extremely well secured. I'll be anchoring into a concrete block wall, and I've been obsessing about the proper type of hardware to use in order to absolutely insure that I don't come home to find a shattered PDP lying in pieces on the floor. I'd drill all the way through and use bolts with reinforcing plates if I had access to the other side. Unfortunately, I don't. Can anyone recommend another solution that's essentially fool proof?

I think there is a realistic limit to how much weight you can hang on a wall with the current line of mounting brackets without running the risk of having the bracket or wall come apart on you.

You might want to reconsider table mounting your display.

Yes they always come out in Japan first...that's where they are produced after all.
Once they have been out in Japan then they will come to the largest market for them in the world .... the USA! ;)

Just like the 42,50, 58 60/600U came out in Japan first, and then two months later here they were in the good `ol USA. :D

Patience...they will come.

I think there is a realistic limit to how much weight you can hang on a wall with the current line of mounting brackets without running the risk of having the bracket or wall come apart on you.

You might want to reconsider table mounting your display.

Sure. But it is a lot more than 200 lbs. My 65 is mounted using the Panasonic bracket and 6 2.5 inch lag bolts. Each one is only holding about 33 lbs. It is not going anywhere ;)

- Rich

Sure. But it is a lot more than 200 lbs. My 65 is mounted using the Panasonic bracket and 6 2.5 inch lag bolts. Each one is only holding about 33 lbs. It is not going anywhere ;)

- Rich

Yeah, static flush mounts have the advantages of absolute stability at the attachment points, and lower cost, but I really like the idea of a convenient way to reduce the viewing distance when appropriate.

Yeah, static flush mounts have the advantages of absolute stability at the attachment points, and lower cost, but I really like the idea of a convenient way to reduce the viewing distance when appropriate.

How about moving your chair :D
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- Rich

How about moving your chair :D
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- Rich

Casters on the sofa would be convenient, but moving the viewing position, would also screw up the sound field. My equipment is in a Synergy twin 40 cabinet, so I guess I could order a matching triple 20 with casters, and wall mount the center channel above the plasma ( it's too wide to fit between the posts in the Synergy products )........Then again, I could just use a flush mount, go with a permanent, close viewing position, and limit my viewing on this set to HD sources and programming...............Yeah, I know, I've spent waaaay too much time thinking about this. :D

Yeah, I know, I've spent waaaay too much time thinking about this. :D

You're not alone my friend, you're not alone :D

So revisiting the idea of using a TV stand instead of wall mount, have you guys found any good options? I've been searching around the net and find a couple problems, they aren't wide enough (TV is ~61") or they don't have a 200 lb load capacity. Anyone find some good options? Thanks

So revisiting the idea of using a TV stand instead of wall mount, have you guys found any good options? I've been searching around the net and find a couple problems, they aren't wide enough (TV is ~61") or they don't have a 200 lb load capacity. Anyone find some good options? Thanks


The one I almost went with prior to going with a wall mount was the Plateau TL-2V . Top shelf rated at 300lbs. I was going to paint black the ugly silver screw heads. It's 59" wide.

http://www.audio-video-furniture.com/ProdImages/1qb/TL2V-B-style_1_ll.jpg


Also comes in silver (consumer works good here):

http://www.audio-video-furniture.com/prodimages/p/TL-2V-SIL.jpg

I went with this beauty:

http://www.martinfurniture.com/TL/TL357.htm

Removed one of the center drawers to accomodate my center speaker. My wife and I (at the same time) stomped around on the top of it to make sure it was sturdy. It's been sitting in my entertainment room since April of this year WAITING for that 65 inch plasma so it could hold it.

I'll probably settle for this or its black mate:


http://bwclark.smugmug.com/photos/60982328-M.jpg

bwclark:

I thought that was a Panasonic product that was only available in Japan?

bwclark:

I thought that was a Panasonic product that was only available in Japan?

My local B&M store says they can get it for me! :D

Humm, I may have it mixed up with this one, The Salamander....need to check again: :o

Do you know the height of that TY-VL2000-S stand from Panasonic? It would be interesting to see what their recommended height is for the TV.

Found the answer: http://panasonic.jp/viera/dl/pdf_file/ty_vl2000.pdf

Looks like 70.87" (1800mm) width x 15.75" (400mm) height x 20.55" (522mm) depth

That is surprisingly shorter than I figured. Most aftermarket stands seem to be 19" or greater.

[QUOTE=Franchot]
Since the manual lists the stand and speakers as both being optional either the consumer support person forgot to mention that the speakers are included or they're not. Take your pick. [QUOTE]

I'm just thankful the speakers ARE detachable! :)

Humm, I may have it mixed up with this one, The Salamander....need to check again: :o

The Synergy line from Salamander is a top-tier, very high quality set of products. I wouldn't give a second thought to the stability and safety of any PDP placed on this furniture.........OK, maybe the 103" would make me a little nervous, but nothing else in production, short of that.

rto, do not anchor an articulating mount into a concrete block wall without access to the other side. Do not try to contemplate ways around this. You will almost certainly live to regret it as the shearing force of the plasma, extended, is a nightmare and concrete anchors, installed after the fact, are not a solution.

It still looked good but during some scenes I was surprised to see the dreaded rainbow effect

I see rainbows on plasma, just turn color down and watch black and white. I also see rainbows in a form, not like dlp, but were you see rainbow colors in foggy scenes with plasma, like plasma cant display a white fog.. Anyways i still think plasma the best pq besides crt, but the worst when it comes to noise, pq flaws. :(

I see rainbows on plasma, just turn color down and watch black and white. I also see rainbows in a form, not like dlp, but were you see rainbow colors in foggy scenes with plasma, like plasma cant display a white fog.. Anyways i still think plasma the best pq besides crt, but the worst when it comes to noise, pq flaws. :(

Zues,

Please explain what the rainbows you see look like. Have you noticed it on other plasmas or just panasonics??

I see rainbows on plasma, just turn color down and watch black and white. I also see rainbows in a form, not like dlp, but were you see rainbow colors in foggy scenes with plasma, like plasma cant display a white fog.. Anyways i still think plasma the best pq besides crt, but the worst when it comes to noise, pq flaws. :(

Do you see pots of gold :p

- Rich

Well i see two different types of rainbow effect. One is similar to dlp were you see flashes of color seeming to come thru the screen. Dlp only does this in dark scenes but plasma does it in bright scenes, not dark scenes unless their is alot of white in it, and b&w. The other looks like actual rainbows when its raining outside. Granted i have a cheapo vizio with 10k:1 ratio, so it's processing might not be on the level af panasonics and pio's, but theirs been threads on peaple seeing dlp like rainbow effect on pasnasonics. As far as the other type of effect like when its raining out, i cant say if they have that.

I'm getting ready to purchase another set soon. I have a 42" Panny WD7uy and have loved it. Even though it can only do 480p my HD channels look awesome. I used to run my SD channels through SVid but know they go through component for the HD. The picture quality has went way down on my SD channels know. My solution is to move our plasma up to the upstairs living room and have it be an SD only TV upstairs and get a 1080p set for downstairs for the future.

I need to point out that I have a kid on the way so the $$$ is limited as well this will be my last TV purchase for awhile.

So I want to get the biggest and best set for the money. I mention all this because it doesn't look like plasma is going to be possible.

Do you guys ever see the 65" plasma coming down under the $4,000 range. I quote the post below because I'm actually thinking of getting the 65" mit 831 set for under my budget which will have 1080p etc.

My only concern is I"ve never liked DLP becuase of SSE which is why I got a 42" plasma instead of a bigger DLP for the same amount of $$$.

So does my situation pretty much take plasma out of the running or do I have a chance.



I recently saw the new Mitsubishi DLP's at two stores, one was playing a Mitsubishi demo-loop and looked great; the other was fed from the same feed as the other TV's. It still looked good but during some scenes I was surprised to see the dreaded rainbow effect (I've never seen this on another DLP). I didn't see it all the time and never saw it on the set playing the Mitsu loop. All I'm saying is view a variety of programming (including fast movement) before buying one to be certain you're not going to see the DLP rainbows.

Do you see pots of gold :p

- Rich

Hehe yea if its there i'll see it. One more thing is the 58 panny i seen at magnolia and a smaller one at sears, they really look choppy. Like there in vivid galore or something and their choppin it like its hot or sumthin. :rolleyes:

So I want to get the biggest and best set for the money. I mention all this because it doesn't look like plasma is going to be possible.

Do you guys ever see the 65" plasma coming down under the $4,000 range. I quote the post below because I'm actually thinking of getting the 65" mit 831 set for under my budget which will have 1080p etc.

My only concern is I"ve never liked DLP becuase of SSE which is why I got a 42" plasma instead of a bigger DLP for the same amount of $$$.

So does my situation pretty much take plasma out of the running or do I have a chance.

Depends on how quickly you want to buy. In the "immediate" future, I think your best bet to hit a big size at a reasonable price would be the 58 inch plasma. The set is not a 1080p set, however. I doubt any 65 inch 1080p plasma will get under $4,000 any time soon.

I'm also keeping my eye on the 65 inch 831 from Mitsubishi. Since I've been unable to see it in person, I've asked about RBE on black and white films in the "Rear Projection" threads, but have received little to no information. That set seems like it could also hit your target price. As RicheyPoor stated, YOU really need to see the set for yourself to see if rainbows appear in front of YOUR eyes.

I am just happy if the 65 inch 1080p wil cost below $7000 but I think it will be around $9-10000 here in Denmark wich is crazy compared to US price

Panasonic TH-65PX600 on the Way to Best Buy and Circuit City (http://www.i4u.com/article6554.html)

"We got word that 350 Panasonic TH-65PX600 Full HD 65 inch Plasma TVs are on the way to Best Buy and Circuit City.

Europe already got a release date for the Panasonic TH-65PX600E a couple days ago. The 1080p HDTV will ship there on November 1st.

The 350 TH-65PX600 are actually on the way from a Mexican Panasonic plant. Circuit City and Best Buy are not listing the new 65 inch Panasonic Plasma yet."

^^^^^^^

Thanks for the update. According to my eighth grade math that's about 7 per state. (And by looking at that number a great many stores will not be getting a shipment.) More to come off the production line soon, I hope? Anybody here work for Best Buy or Circuit City or have some insider information as to when we might see them in store?

I saw this news story and called my local Best Buy immediately. I found a guy who was able to find it on their computer. Their computer told him it would be available Sept 24th. Long drive from Mexico I guess. No reason to believe this really, but we've heard dates around that time elsewhere. Maybe I'll get my September surprise after all. (They aren't taking pre-orders yet.)

I saw this news story and called my local Best Buy immediately. I found a guy who was able to find it on their computer. Their computer told him it would be available Sept 24th. Long drive from Mexico I guess. No reason to believe this really, but we've heard dates around that time elsewhere. Maybe I'll get my September surprise after all. (They aren't taking pre-orders yet.)

I went to my local Best Buy and the salesguy found it in their computer, also. And like you, he couldn't take a pre-order. He did put me on a "list" (actually I was the first) and promised to call me as soon as one shows up in the area. Between my already existing pre-order at a stand-alone Magnolia and now having the top spot on the "list" at a Best Buy, hopefully I'll end up with something soon.

And after that, I'll have to see how soon the PZ model shakes out and possibly make a return of the PX. And then if the TH-65PF9UK comes out by mid-October, I'll compare it to the PX and possibly make a return.

Although spec-wise the PF is sounding like the better plasma, I need a stand and don't want to put out any extra cash. Also, I feel that reselling the consumer plasma in the future will be easier than reselling a commerical model due to the absence of tuners in the commercial set. If the picture quality is minimal between the sets (and my aging eyesight continues to age), I'll just stick with the PX.

I went to my local Best Buy and the salesguy found it in their computer, also. And like you, he couldn't take a pre-order. He did put me on a "list" (actually I was the first) and promised to call me as soon as one shows up in the area. Between my already existing pre-order at a stand-alone Magnolia and now having the top spot on the "list" at a Best Buy, hopefully I'll end up with something soon.

And after that, I'll have to see how soon the PZ model shakes out and possibly make a return of the PX. And then if the TH-65PF9UK comes out by mid-October, I'll compare it to the PX and possibly make a return.

Although spec-wise the PF is sounding like the better plasma, I need a stand and don't want to put out any extra cash. Also, I feel that reselling the consumer plasma in the future will be easier than reselling a commerical model due to the absence of tuners in the commercial set. If the picture quality is minimal between the sets (and my aging eyesight continues to age), I'll just stick with the PX.

I started to do the same thing at my local Best Buy until he said that it would cost $11,995. I hope this is not the true price when it actually shows up. The premium I would pay for a local B&M is not anywhere near that much.

yeah, I really hope we see this shake out at under $7K.

I started to do the same thing at my local Best Buy until he said that it would cost $11,995. I hope this is not the true price when it actually shows up. The premium I would pay for a local B&M is not anywhere near that much.

I don't know where he came up with that price. (Are you in Hawaii or something?) I looked at the computer screen when he pulled the model number up and the MSRP shows it listing as $9999.95.

That price is still too rich for my blood so I used a 12% off coupon (which barely covers the tax in my state!) Also using a Reward Zone Card gets you a nice amount of gift certificates. Since Circuit City is also going to carry the set, I intend to try to do some creative price-matching between the two superstores to see how far I can drive the price down at a B&M store.

The one sticking point is that the initial shipment will only have 350 sets for all stores in the United States according to the article. (That's coming from Mexico. I'm unclear if other sets are being imported from Japan.) I've been waiting a year for a 65 inch plasma at a "reasonable" price and I don't feel like waiting until after Christmas. It took so long to get this plasma released in the U.S. I have a fear that there may be a shortage of 65 inch sets this year. Since I don't have any information to back that up, perhaps my fears are unfounded.

The one sticking point is that the initial shipment will only have 350 sets for all stores in the United States according to the article. (That's coming from Mexico. I'm unclear if other sets are being imported from Japan.) So these TVs will be assembled in Mexico and/or will they be manufactured in Japan? For the 10 grand... I want the one made in Japan.

optivity:

I too have read (here?) that units made in Japan have better QC than Mexico. I wish I could find the thread that had all that information. Do you have any good links?

I went to my local Best Buy and the salesguy found it in their computer, also. And like you, he couldn't take a pre-order. He did put me on a "list" (actually I was the first) and promised to call me as soon as one shows up in the area. Between my already existing pre-order at a stand-alone Magnolia and now having the top spot on the "list" at a Best Buy, hopefully I'll end up with something soon.

And after that, I'll have to see how soon the PZ model shakes out and possibly make a return of the PX. And then if the TH-65PF9UK comes out by mid-October, I'll compare it to the PX and possibly make a return.

Although spec-wise the PF is sounding like the better plasma, I need a stand and don't want to put out any extra cash. Also, I feel that reselling the consumer plasma in the future will be easier than reselling a commerical model due to the absence of tuners in the commercial set. If the picture quality is minimal between the sets (and my aging eyesight continues to age), I'll just stick with the PX.

So Franchot, are you buying this sight unseen? Pretty gutsy if yes. :)

I would not be too worried about the sets "selling out" so fast. remember that 350 is the first shipment. These sets sound like that are being assembled in Mexico to take advantage of NAFTA related content issues and reduced labor costs. If 350 are on their way, cetainly there will be a number of other trucks leaving every week or so with fresh units as they are assembled. No one wants to sit on inventory - particularly if there is demand. Unlike the Panasonic 50"shortfall last year, these sets are much more expensive and will not have nearly the same volume...

So Franchot, are you buying this sight unseen? Pretty gutsy if yes. :)

Sight unseen? Yes. (Although I already have a 42 inch Panny plasma.) Gutsy? Not really. I'm buying it with the stipulation that I can return it if I'm not satisfied.

(And of course, I'm watching to see what the word out of CEDIA has to say. Anything too bad and I'll cancel the order.)

So these TVs will be assembled in Mexico and/or will they be manufactured in Japan? For the 10 grand... I want the one made in Japan.

Well you're going to have to fly to Japan to get it. There is absolutely no difference in quality to TV's being "assembled" in Mexico, and those being assembled in Japan or any other country. Nearly all the CE Mfg'ers have been doing this for years, and makes perfect sense when you think about having to ship a 200lb. flat panel TV to the other side of the planet.

There is absolutely no difference in quality to TV's being "assembled" in Mexico, and those being assembled in Japan or any other country.

Are you sure about this? I don't have the answer, but I swear there were problems with stuff comming out of Mexico from Panny. I may be grasping at straws here, but I thought the dreaded buzzing problem Panny's had a while back were predominately from South of Border.

I have a 10% off card for Circuit City that unfortunetly expires on 9/15. Not gonna be much help :(

I don't know where he came up with that price. (Are you in Hawaii or something?) I looked at the computer screen when he pulled the model number up and the MSRP shows it listing as $9999.95.

That price is still too rich for my blood so I used a 12% off coupon (which barely covers the tax in my state!) Also using a Reward Zone Card gets you a nice amount of gift certificates. Since Circuit City is also going to carry the set, I intend to try to do some creative price-matching between the two superstores to see how far I can drive the price down at a B&M store.

The one sticking point is that the initial shipment will only have 350 sets for all stores in the United States according to the article. (That's coming from Mexico. I'm unclear if other sets are being imported from Japan.) I've been waiting a year for a 65 inch plasma at a "reasonable" price and I don't feel like waiting until after Christmas. It took so long to get this plasma released in the U.S. I have a fear that there may be a shortage of 65 inch sets this year. Since I don't have any information to back that up, perhaps my fears are unfounded.

Unfortunately, I couldn't see the screen he was looking at. Also, I tried to pre-order with the 12% off coupon and the Reward Zone, but it wasn't showing up on his computer during the labor day weekend. So, I used the coupon to buy the Panny 50" for the bedroom and paid [EDIT]. I did note at least one internet seller was asking over $14,000 for the 65PX600U.

It seems like that even though a some sets will be available in September, the big shipments will not occur until October. I'm hoping the price competition will begin to drive the cost down during those couple of weeks at the B&Ms; if not, I will buy off of the internet.

I did note at least one internet seller was asking over $14,000 for the 65PX600U.

It seems like that even though a some sets will be available in September, the big shipments will not occur until October. I'm hoping the price competition will begin to drive the cost down during those couple of weeks at the B&Ms; if not, I will buy off of the internet.
The TV has been available by a legitimate NY B&M and Internet Dealer on Ebay for over a week at nearly half that price. :)

Not necessarily recommending where to buy but instead finding a common value versus all the rumors or preorder jerkoff dealers that people post here that are NOT real price points.

My point is in finding a common price we can all expect from a dealer as this is a real auction by a long term vendor whether you like them or not and rules prohibit me from listing them or the price. :)

"The TV has been available by a legitimate NY Dealer on Ebay for over a week at nearly half that price"


You may also want to PM Cleveland Plasma.

The TV has been available by a legitimate NY B&M and Internet Dealer on Ebay for over a week at nearly half that price. :)

Not necessarily recommending where to buy but instead finding a common value versus all the rumors or preorder jerkoff dealers that people post here that are NOT real price points.

My point is in finding a common price we can all expect from a dealer as this is a real auction by a long term vendor whether you like them or not and rules prohibit me from listing them or the price. :)

Yes, I know about the E-Bay dealer, but I want to see what the people on this forum choose. I prefer a B&M near me, but it looks like I will end up buying off the internet because I live in a small city. Best Buy is really my only viable B&M nearby and they are not in my ballpark yet and likely will not get there before my trigger finger gets itchy. In short, I'm smart enough to know that, while I know a lot more than the guys at my office, I'm junior league compared to some of you guys. Where you go, I will follow. :)

Anhydrosis2000,

Yes, that certain e-Bay dealer has the set "available" meaning available to pre-order, but that doesn't mean it's in stock. The advantage of a B&M is the quick turn-around if something is amiss with the set or you're not happy with it--the disadvantage is the higher cost to buy from them. If you're thinking of going Internet, I'd take crownman6's advice and shoot off an e-mail to Chris at Cleveland Plasma. You may be surprised at what he can do for you over the Internet for a great price.

Until an actual set appears in a dealer's warehouse, there's really no place to follow us potential buyers to. ;)

The ebay listing shows a picture of the wrong TV and lists the resolution at 768p. Pretty safe bet they don't have these in stock.

"Availability: In Stock" :eek:

WOW!!! :D

Haha.... these internet dealers are not to be trusted about anything concerning this set. Just a bunch of BS...

Well, somebody has seen this set in action. However, he is commenting on the Panny BD player and not the plasma:

Last night I was invited to a BDA sponsored Blue Ray party a few blocks from CEDIA. My co-worker and I went to see the girls (Pretty good), the free drinks (smirnoff, yuck), and see the demos (not very good).

They had the sony BD player, the Philips BD player, Panasonic BD (was playing the whole demo to all the TV's I found out), and Pioneer's BD. For televisions they had all 1080p sets (but were only able to feed then 1080i because the HDMI switching for this event is too slow and if the BD player crashed like the guy said they all did last year. He had to be able to switch over to the D5 master on tap quickly).

Anyhow Fox and Disney hosted this party and I couldn't find anyone from either studio to talk to . The TV's ranged from unreleased Panasonic 65" 1080p plasmas to Pioneer's ProFHD1 1080p plasma, to Sony's 1080hp LCD bravia.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=723947

Anyone else get a gander at this set at CEDIA?

Here is a picture.

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/cedia-2006-panasonic-booth-tour-200967.php

The $64,000 question, have any of the PZ series TV's shown up at Cedia? THat'll tell you how long to wait for that line in the US

Here is a picture.

http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/cedia-2006-panasonic-booth-tour-200967.php

His picture was good, his verbiage was useless. :rolleyes:

I'm throwing my hat into the preorder frenzy. Magnolia has my money :(

I intend to view the unit in their store before I take it home. They have a no-questions-asked 30 day return policy, which is what moved me off the pot.

I'm planning to build a custom wall-mount out of stained wood which will hold the unit above my fireplace, but below the mantel, which IMO is just vertically too high (~48") for decent seated viewing.

Does anyone have any experience with using a Panasonic display via HDMI coupled with the Toshiba HD-AI HD-DVD player? I'm hoping this new set will play well with it...

stretchblt

Toshiba announced at CEDIA some new HD-DVD players schedule for release in October and December. You might want to take a look at those if you haven't already purchased the HD-A1.

Yea, you want that new A-2...or whatever it is called...for about $1000...w/ HDMI 1.3 This is the real deal.

Yea, you want that new A-2...or whatever it is called...for about $1000...w/ HDMI 1.3 This is the real deal.

.......and it has the analog output which the cheaper model doesn't have. That way you don't have to run out and buy a new preamp right away. Of course the thinking there might be poor in that the $500 price difference could be applied to a new preamp.

Well you're going to have to fly to Japan to get it. There is absolutely no difference in quality to TV's being "assembled" in Mexico, and those being assembled in Japan or any other country. .

Well I haven't found this to be true at all. There is a definite difference in QA between Japanese assembled plasmas and those in Mexico by history.

Well I haven't found this to be true at all. There is a definite difference in QA between Japanese assembled plasmas and those in Mexico by history.


Based on......?

UK Manual (http://www.panasonic.co.uk/customer-support/download-centre.asp?did=146311&fmt=pdf)

I'm throwing my hat into the preorder frenzy. Magnolia has my money :(

Does anyone have any experience with using a Panasonic display via HDMI coupled with the Toshiba HD-AI HD-DVD player? I'm hoping this new set will play well with it...
Virtually every native 1080 panel owner threads have reported top PQ as I can attest to with my Sharp 45" once you get used to the players slowness and replaced it's remote, I think a blind man created the remote and had a sick sense of humor - the PQ is so damn good that you will either get night vision glasses (they may not work on this thing though) for the remote or buy a Harmony or the like. :D

An example on PQ would be to visit the Samsung 7178 DLP Owners Thread over in RPTV section where one of the Top Calibrators "UMR" has provided testimony that it's the best match he's ever seen with a 1080P panel repeatedly and I would have to agree and that's on a giant 71" panel. I owned Oppo 971 and Samsung upconvert and do not use them anymore as my primary DVD the Toshiba combined with Netflix makes a great match and with most SD DVD's the PQ on most is taken to what looks like HD and just short of the HD DVD's. The picture is so crystal clear and sound so great that you tolerate it's quirks like being sloooow to load and periodic HDMI audio conflicts with my AVR (never during a movie only at boot load) - once playing it runs perfectlty troublefree in my experience) - I'm waiting to upgrade my AVR until next year once they become 1.3. It should definitely be a match in Plasma 1080P heaven and if not get it from a vendor with return rights and you have nothing to lose. :)

The $64,000 question, have any of the PZ series TV's shown up at Cedia? THat'll tell you how long to wait for that line in the US


http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home...tour-200967.php

Maybe that is the 65PZ!...... :D

Looks like somebody finally found out from Panasonic about the 1080P release date
in the 65" size. So it's going to be PX not PZ.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,2016708,00.asp

Much obliged for the article. 10K sounds good.

Where are the rest of the visitors from CEDIA posting ???

Nick

It is amazing that nobody is reporting on the 65" Panny. I guess nobody cares about the 1080p displays? ;)

Ken, I do not understand it either. The Panny 1080p should pull big excitement...especially as competition/alternative for the Pioneer. ;)

Reports from CEDIA (and IFA) are that 1080p is the salient feature of the show, for displays and sources. It's practically only 1080p display/sources that are being touted there now. Given every manufacturer has their 1080p line-ups on show, it's not surprising that a Panny 1080p plasma isn't grabbing headlines.

Reports from CEDIA (and IFA) are that 1080p is the salient feature of the show, for displays and sources. It's practically only 1080p display/sources that are being touted there now. Given every manufacturer has their 1080p line-ups on show, it's not surprising that a Panny 1080p plasma isn't grabbing headlines.

Yeah, that's probably true. It's in third place, size-wise, behind the 103 inch Panny and the 71 inch LG plasma sets. Third place in a big-size derby ain't much to boast about. :p

Reports from CEDIA (and IFA) are that 1080p is the salient feature of the show, for displays and sources. It's practically only 1080p display/sources that are being touted there now. Given every manufacturer has their 1080p line-ups on show, it's not surprising that a Panny 1080p plasma isn't grabbing headlines.

Here is a video of CES from the site you posted yesterday.Both the 65" and the 103" are all over the place.I don't recall any fuss about them then.Maybe 1080p plasma is old hat. :eek:

http://www.cinenow.com/uk/videos-reports.html

Panasonic video is about half way down the page.
At 3:57 there is a video wall with a 103" surrounded by like 8 65" panels. :D

Here is a video of CES from the site you posted yesterday.Both the 65" and the 103" are all over the place.I don't recall any fuss about them then.Maybe 1080p plasma is old hat. :eek:

http://www.cinenow.com/uk/videos-reports.html

Panasonic video is about half way down the page.
At 3:57 there is a video wall with a 103" surrounded by like 8 65" panels. :D

I think this proves conclusively that Panasonic Marketing was smoking something when they used the X series in naming the 1080P series in the U.S. :p

- Rich

Now the question is what is what will they call the 50" and 58" 1080p models in the USA?? ;) Complete idiots :(

Now the question is what is what will they call the 50" and 58" 1080p models in the USA?? ;) Complete idiots :(

TH-**PY600U? :D

TH-**PY600U? :D

We could not do that, letters are expensive :rolleyes:

- Rich

Reports from CEDIA (and IFA) are that 1080p is the salient feature of the show,

I'm looking at your post on my Dell 3007 LCD @ 2560x1600.

1080p has been old news since last year, when this Dell LCD came out.


I say BRING ON 2560x1600 content NOW!!!!

:D

Man every time I encounter the actual Canadian price of this thing it's like being thrown into a cold shower. $15,000 Canadian! A mere 4 to 5 times the price of a 50" model here. What am I thinking? I've gotta stop looking at this model.

RH not to worry, the price may start high but it will come down and likely pretty quickly. Just means some CDN enthusiasts may have to wait a bit longer. In the meantime you can sit back read all the opinions do your own evaluation, see what happens when people get them set up in their homes. And dont forget 'Anticipation' is a big part of a purchase of this magnitude so just enjoy that part of the 'event'. Now when are they going to start shipping these puppies ......???

RichB:

Buffalo isn't that far from you. Cross the Rainbow Bridge (for free ;)) and pick one up on the American side. On the way back you can stop at Private Eyes. :D

And dont forget 'Anticipation' is a big part of a purchase of this magnitude so just enjoy that part of the 'event'. Now when are they going to start shipping these puppies ......???

Wise words. Post-purchase anxiety inevitably sets in after actually making investment of this magnitude. "If I'd waited, the price would have come down"; "I wonder if this thing really offered the best price/performance ratio"; "Aw heck, the new model came out with X,Y,Z incremental performance improvements, and a price reduction";"OMG, is that just a signal issue, or is something wrong with my brand new PDP" etc. Expensive technologies are a lousy investment in peace of mind. :D

Wise words. Post-purchase anxiety inevitably sets in after actually making investment of this magnitude. "If I'd waited, the price would have come down"; "I wonder if this thing really offered the best price/performance ratio"; "Aw heck, the new model came out with X,Y,Z incremental performance improvements, and a price reduction";"OMG, is that just a signal issue, or is something wrong with my brand new PDP" etc. Expensive technologies are a lousy investment in peace of mind. :D


I don't think that way. There will always be new models of cars comming out. Once you get married there will always be twenty year old women to gawk at. Once you build a house - newer ones are going to be built. So on and so on and so on.
That's how life works. Same for technology.

Simply put buy and enjoy because something new and better will always come along.

How about this statement: Expensive technology is just that expensive technology. ;)

I see Engadget rates the new 65 inch Fujitsu Aviamo 1080p plasma as the best in show at CEDIA. Is this their own product (Hitachi, etc.,.) or is it a Panasonic rebadge 65/600-1080p set? Any guesses?

The Runco's were second.

Some interesting info on the the PZ thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8451191&&#post8451191

Anyone know if the Panny TH-65PX600U will have HDMI 1.3 when released?

The $64,000 question, have any of the PZ series TV's shown up at Cedia? THat'll tell you how long to wait for that line in the US

I'd say about one year from when you saw the PX60/PX600 get released. Sooner seems awfully unlikely.

I'd say about one year from when you saw the PX60/PX600 get released. Sooner seems awfully unlikely.

They were announced last January and released in March

has anyone heard when the commercial 65 1080 is coming out?
-rob

has anyone heard when the commercial 65 1080 is coming out?
-rob

October.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682757

Anyone know if the Panny TH-65PX600U will have HDMI 1.3 when released?

Sure don't think so. Not that it really matters.

has anyone heard when the commercial 65 1080 is coming out?
-rob

I was at my Best Buy/Magnolia today and the salesperson showed me his computer screen with an "In Store" date of 09/24/06.

Now, does that mean I can finally order one from them (which I've been unable to do before) or does it mean that it will actually be in their warehouse?

(I'm going back tonight to bug him for some details since he was busy while I was there.)

Sure don't think so. Not that it really matters.

it does matter- it matters very much. The new spec has several different 1080P specs that 1.2 does not, as well as support for deep color and dolby tru hd- true hd mightnot matter when going to the plasma, but the hdmi 1.3 also has support for advanced av sync technology to avoid audio delay. I would imagine if every component is speced at 1.3 hdmi, then they could all "talk" to each other in the best possible way. Can someone chime in here if I am off on this? Personally, fi 1.3 is the latest spec, I am not going to invest money in a high end 65" plasma if it does not have it. Besides- PS3 supports 1.3 with deep color! :D

Franchot - please try and get the exact model number listed in their system. I was there a few days ago and was told that the 65" PX600 was in the system but was showing as deleted and a product that they will not carry.

As far has the HDMI 1.3 issue, I recently spoke with a system designer from Anthem who makes a number of well regarded AV processors. I was asking about HDMI 1.3 and when they would be incorporating this into future products. He said that the 1.3 standard has not yet been agreed upon and that there are 112 pages in the documentation enumerating possibilities for the specification. Until a standard is agreed upon, they are holding off on incorporating these changes to avoid the handshake and other issues which have plagued the current 1.2 version of HDMI. He estimated at least one year before they would incorporate this given the challenges. For this reason, I am moving forward today...

Franchot - please try and get the exact model number listed in their system. I was there a few days ago and was told that the 65" PX600 was in the system but was showing as deleted and a product that they will not carry.

As far has the HDMI 1.3 issue, I recently spoke with a system designer from Anthem who makes a number of well regarded AV processors. I was asking about HDMI 1.3 and when they would be incorporating this into future products. He said that the 1.3 standard has not yet been agreed upon and that there are 112 pages in the documentation enumerating possibilities for the specification. Until a standard is agreed upon, they are holding off on incorporating these changes to avoid the handshake and other issues which have plagued the current 1.2 version of HDMI. He estimated at least one year before they would incorporate this given the challenges. For this reason, I am moving forward today...
Perhaps Anthem has not agreed on it but the Industry Standard was agreed on a few months back and in less than 60 days about 6 million PS3's will have HDMI 1.3 and the next gen HD DVD with 1.3 in December so I suspect that is confirmation the standard is genuine.

Personally the Color part is kind of Bogus since the human eye being tested at a maximum of 10 million colors as being distinguishable and so if you get a set that provides 549 billion and 13 bit processing like an HPs6373 you cannot get much deeper than what the panel is providing where your eye will see the difference - I'm holding out on a new AVR for lossless and trueHD sound via 1.3 but see no benefit worth waiting for with a new panel that's 1080P Native with billions of colors as a default out of the box. :)

iansilver-

Yea, I agree. This is really worth it in my opinion, and I'm willing to wait until what would seem to be Spring-summer 2007.

Gkouri-
I understand what you are saying, but the technology is just not THAT tough here for 1.3 and I truly believe April-June is NOT unrealistic for televisions. I mean come on, the "new and improved" HD-DVD has incorporated 1.3 so it is not as if this is "pie in the sky." We expect to see that "new and improved" HD-DVD w/ 1.3 in the early spring I believe.

Yea, I'm waiting. And meanwhile, my Dolby Digital 5.1 and 1080i will be quite tolerable, thank you. ;)

Franchot - please try and get the exact model number listed in their system. I was there a few days ago and was told that the 65" PX600 was in the system but was showing as deleted and a product that they will not carry.

That's strange. The stand alone Magnolia has had it in their systems for over a month now. One Best Buy/Magnolia (Torrance) that I went to told me the same thing about it being deleted and would not be carried. I went to this new Best Buy which just opened in Signal Hill and the salesperson showed me on his computer screen that they will, indeed, carry it. When I went there today he said the status had changed to a "In Store" date of 9/24/06 and he said they usually get things in very quickly when they have that status. (It also showed an "Out Store" date of 10/31/2010.)

The model number is TH-65PX600u and the SKU is #7674689.

it does matter- it matters very much. The new spec has several different 1080P specs that 1.2 does not, as well as support for deep color and dolby tru hd- true hd mightnot matter when going to the plasma, but the hdmi 1.3 also has support for advanced av sync technology to avoid audio delay. I would imagine if every component is speced at 1.3 hdmi, then they could all "talk" to each other in the best possible way. Can someone chime in here if I am off on this? Personally, fi 1.3 is the latest spec, I am not going to invest money in a high end 65" plasma if it does not have it. Besides- PS3 supports 1.3 with deep color! :D

To each his own, but don't kid yourself as to how important (or unimportant) it is to have an HDMI 1.3 interface on the display at this point. Deep color sounds great, but source material (movies, video, that is, I don't know about PS3 games) is not being produced in "deep color." And there is no guarantee that it ever will be. Then, providers (OTA, cable, satellite) have to deal with the bandwidth issues of transmitting the "deep color" material. Then, the display must have the capability of displaying the "deep color." Finally, it has to be proven that "deep color" actually improves picture quality in and of itself. (The examples shown on the HDMI web site shows color banding that is not indicative of current displays.)

As far as the new audio formats go, HDMI 1.1 is fully capable of transmitting them via PCM. So, as long as the player can decode them, the information can be transmitted via HDMI 1.1. Not that that should be an issue with a display anyway. It is more of an issue with the audio-video receiver or equivalent. The only difference that HDMI 1.3 will bring is that it will be possible to send the encoded audio to the receiver (or other outboard processor) where it can be decoded. This may end up being a good capability to have, but it is not a show stopper since HDMI 1.1 can transmit and accept the codecs via PCM.

The audio sync feature might be a good improvement, but again this appears to be a feature associated with where the audio-video is being processed, for example, an audio video receiver. It may need an HDMI 1.3 interface on the display, but this is not clear yet. Also, there are other ways of addressing the sync issue.

I don't think that way. There will always be new models of cars comming out. Once you get married there will always be twenty year old women to gawk at. Once you build a house - newer ones are going to be built. So on and so on and so on.
That's how life works. Same for technology.

For me, personal transportation isn't a luxury, but a necessity; gawking at twenty year old girls would make me feel like a dirty old man ( they have to be at least 21 ), and houses tend to appreciate in value.

Simply put buy and enjoy because something new and better will always come along.

Don't get me wrong. I love electronic AV toys, and I've been upgrading for over 30 years, but I also recognize that this particular hobby often requires significant expenditures for incremental ( or negligible ) performance improvements. A $10,000 1080p PDP should provide spectacular images, opportunities for the family to spend time together, and a longer useful service life than any high-end computer, but I sometimes wonder if beginning to research the next upgrade, after having just made one, borders on obsessive behavior.

How about this statement: Expensive technology is just that expensive technology. ;)

That's true enough; and at least in my case, you could add: "very"

My Magnolia pre-order status just changed for the worse. My Magnolia salesperson (Bellevue WA) received word from their "buyer" that my 65PX600U's new arrival date is "mid-October". I know this has been rumored before on the thread, but I had been holding a foolish hope for the "late September" that Magnolia had been promising until today.

Anybody else think they will be earlier? Maybe I should start investing in multiple preorders...

stretchblt,

Sorry for the delay. I went through the same a few years ago when I ordered a Sony.

Now my policy is that I don't order anything that's not shipping and more or less redily available.

This entire 65PX "fiasco" continues to unfold into the "Big Surprise" as Panasonic releases about two months later the entire PZ series 1080p line of sets in the USA in mid to late October. :D

Just like the later release earlier this year of the 60/600 sets in Japan and then the USA! ;)

Just makes sense, and maybe Panasonic finally realized that.

Whatever.... :cool:

But then again, perhaps its just your supplier that is not able to get the PX set?

So i take it the story about some PX65's having been shipped from mexico to bb/cc stores was BS

So i take it the story about some PX65's having been shipped from mexico to bb/cc stores was BS

With only 350...or something like that, perhaps the distribution will be limited at this time. WA maybe is not getting the # they would like in this case. Time will tell.

As I stated in another post:

I went to this new Best Buy which just opened in Signal Hill and the salesperson showed me on his computer screen that they will, indeed, carry it. When I went there today he said the status had changed to a "In Store" date of 9/24/06 and he said they usually get things in very quickly when they have that status.

It appears that all systems are "GO" for Southern California, but I wouldn't be shocked if the set is, indeed, delayed. In fact, I kind of almost expect it. Don't know why.

Maybe since back in January at CES this set was supposed to appear by mid-year:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/prModelDetail?storeId=11301&catalogId=13251&itemId=95880&modelNo=Content01032006040018477&surfModel=Content01032006040018477

Strange news here in Florida. With Franchot's SKU #, I contacted 2 florida area Magnolia stores both of which indicated that this product will not come to Florida (hence the "deleted" status in thier system). They each stated that they were not surprised that CA or other territories would have availablity and indicated that the country is divided into territories for Best BUY Magnolia and that there are items which are made available in some areas and not others (online included).

To this end, I recall being at the Palo Alto CA store a month ago which has everything you can imaging in terms of large displays and they also sell and promote the complete Fujitsu line which was eliminated from Florida (and many other areas) many months ago.

I've been holding out for a 65 inch flat panel for some time. I see that Sharp has dropped the MSRP on the 90 series to $11999. from $19,999. My guess is the new 92 series will MSRP for $7,500 to $8,000. Street pricing will be even better. This is making me think twice on waiting for the Panny. Anyone else in the same boat?

Mike

I can understand hesitancy to buy on Ebay but a Dealer is selling the TV for about $7500 and they actually deliver what they sell and have a 99.9% approval rate.

If they sell they must deliver - my point is there are dealers getting inventory and Cleveland Plasma is testimony that it is in fact below $8K so how is it people keep posting outrageous pricing when it's going to cost less than the commercial version being sold now? Not telling folks to buy at Ebay but they aren't selling air if you know anything about how Titanim Power Sellers work they MUST deliver what they sell and promptly or they do not keep their positive ratings.

BB is a major player but most states don't have a Mag store and will never even see this 65" monster - Dealers can deal with stock that is never in their shop they can ship warehouse stock without ever having it. As big as Crutchfield is they rarely have inventory first. Best is one Major Player but it sure as hell doesn't determine inventory at other vendors unless an exclusive contract has been worked out with the manufacturer. :)

I see Engadget rates the new 65 inch Fujitsu Aviamo 1080p plasma as the best in show at CEDIA. Is this their own product (Hitachi, etc.,.) or is it a Panasonic rebadge 65/600-1080p set? Any guesses?

The Runco's were second.


Uh oh....where did this one come from? I heard about the 60" ALIS panel, but not this one. I discounted the 60" based on the ALIS design and not wanting to sacrifice 5", but now this? I'd like to hear more about this!

Any links, I couldn't find the article?

Uh oh....where did this one come from? I heard about the 60" ALIS panel, but not this one. I discounted the 60" based on the ALIS design and not wanting to sacrifice 5", but now this? I'd like to hear more about this!

Any links, I couldn't find the article?

Apparently, it will list for $20,000.

Looks like Panny's Australian 1080p TH-65PV600A goes on sale in October. Do a google and you'll find many articles referring to some press release. It's launch is to coincide with their BR launch.

The trick here in the US is not monitor when the display will come out. Find the player's release date and you'll find your panel's. ;)

Uh oh....where did this one come from? I heard about the 60" ALIS panel, but not this one. I discounted the 60" based on the ALIS design and not wanting to sacrifice 5", but now this? I'd like to hear more about this!

Any links, I couldn't find the article?

This from HD Beat


http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/09/17/fujitsu-cedia-aviamo-1080p-plasmas/

I can understand hesitancy to buy on Ebay but a Dealer is selling the TV for about $7500 and they actually deliver what they sell and have a 99.9% approval rate.

If they sell they must deliver - my point is there are dealers getting inventory and Cleveland Plasma is testimony that it is in fact below $8K so how is it people keep posting outrageous pricing when it's going to cost less than the commercial version being sold now? Not telling folks to buy at Ebay but they aren't selling air if you know anything about how Titanim Power Sellers work they MUST deliver what they sell and promptly or they do not keep their positive ratings.

BB is a major player but most states don't have a Mag store and will never even see this 65" monster - Dealers can deal with stock that is never in their shop they can ship warehouse stock without ever having it. As big as Crutchfield is they rarely have inventory first. Best is one Major Player but it sure as hell doesn't determine inventory at other vendors unless an exclusive contract has been worked out with the manufacturer. :)

I spoke with Cleveland Plasma two days ago and they quoted me 8K and said they wouldn't have the sets until sometime in October. Also, I find it highly relevant that no one on this board has an actual 65" Panny in their house. However, I am a lawyer who is from the "Show Me" state, so I am a skeptic by nature! ;)

This from HD Beat


http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/09/17/fujitsu-cedia-aviamo-1080p-plasmas/

You just know these are going to be the best 1080p panels there are....but ouch, that price tag!

You just know these are going to be the best 1080p panels there are....but ouch, that price tag!

Today I was in a local store checking out a Runco projector. Afterward I spun the same DVD on the Fujitsu 55" (current model, non 1080p, goldish bezel). Unfortunately it was horribly calibrated, so didn't impress. The blacks were super crushed. But I tried watching it with the lights out, like the projector, and yikes...very unsatisfying black levels on that Fujitsu (non-Panny glass). This was a case where even I, a plasma nut, would have taken the projector, which had nicer looking black levels.

65px600 up on Panasonic

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702

According to the panasonic the speakers and stand are optional :eek:

hollywood

Can't find where the stand is optional. Where do you see that?

Its listed in the spec's - Pedestal Stand Optional.

This may or may not be an error, we're asking our Panny rep but I'm not sure he'll know just yet.

Why would speakers be optional on a $10,000 consumer TV? Removable yes, but an extra-cost option? Get real!

Why would speakers be optional on a $10,000 consumer TV?

Someone willing to pay $10K for a TV is very likely to be hooking it up to a stereo system having decent speakers and thus the speakers on the TV become superfluous and take up unnecessary space. I think it's a good decision to make the speakers optional. That way I'm not buying something I don't need.

I am guessing that this is a translation problem. The Specifications *might* indicate that these can be removed and the weight listing would make sense for wall mounters. Substitute removable for optional and it would make sense and be like the other 600 Plasmas.

Then again, I could be wrong ;)

- Rich

65px600 up on Panasonic

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702


Hmm i wonder why it's specs at only 5000:1 ratio compared to the 58in720p at 10:000:1. Or is 5000:1 ratio the real ratio specs for the 58. I guess either way it should not matter :confused:

29 billion colors? My cheapo vizio specs at 241billion colors and 10:000:1 ratio. Im drooling though i love the "looks" of that panasonic, reminds me of sonys xbr950.

Today I was in a local store checking out a Runco projector. Afterward I spun the same DVD on the Fujitsu 55" (current model, non 1080p, goldish bezel). Unfortunately it was horribly calibrated, so didn't impress. The blacks were super crushed. But I tried watching it with the lights out, like the projector, and yikes...very unsatisfying black levels on that Fujitsu (non-Panny glass). This was a case where even I, a plasma nut, would have taken the projector, which had nicer looking black levels.

Yup, I agree Rich. I've never been a fan of the 55" ALIS panel or any ALIS panel for that matter. I know the 55" was supposed to be different from previous ALIS panels, but to my eyes the black levels were never in the same league as Fujitsu panels with Panny glass.

My impression is that the 65" 1080p might well be using Panny glass.

I am guessing that this is a translation problem. The Specifications *might* indicate that these can be removed and the weight listing would make sense for wall mounters. Substitute removable for optional and it would make sense and be like the other 600 Plasmas.

Then again, I could be wrong ;)

- Rich

The speakers have been discussed as being optional since this was first announced. You can see this in articles many months old. THey say things like "The entire 2006 line of HD plasma displays has been redesigned with stunning cosmetics, nearly invisible built-in speakers (except TH-65PX600U) ."

link: http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESdisplays/Panasonicplasmadisplays.php

So I think optional means optional. Fine with me actually. Who wants cheapo speakers with a 65 inch screen. Think home-theater.

The fact that it is on the Panasonic site but there are no dealers anywhere with availability is going to make me completely insane. I really want this TV on my wall before the Thanksgiving vacation. Somebody find me a TV! AAAAAHHHHHGGGHHHH! (Told you I was going to go insane.)

Check how similar the panasonic looks to the 950. :)

Well the good news is that the September 21 release date mentioned a while back seems to be correct. Hopefully that means the trucks did in fact leave Mexico and are on their way to distributors. :)

Well the good news is that the September 21 release date mentioned a while back seems to be correct. Hopefully that means the trucks did in fact leave Mexico and are on their way to distributors. :)

Members of the Mexican and US border patrol must be really enjoying their new Plasma's :D

- Rich

Hmm i wonder why it's specs at only 5000:1 ratio compared to the 58in720p at 10:000:1. Or is 5000:1 ratio the real ratio specs for the 58. I guess either way it should not matter :confused:

29 billion colors? My cheapo vizio specs at 241billion colors and 10:000:1 ratio. Im drooling though i love the "looks" of that panasonic, reminds me of sonys xbr950.


5000:1 is a dynamic contrast ratio. This has been verified by a Panasonic engineer.

5000:1 is a dynamic contrast ratio. This has been verified by a Panasonic engineer.

Yes and the it looks like the black levels may be a bit higher the the 768P 9 series but better than the 8 series. I guess we will have to wait for reviews and reports to see if this an issue or not.

- Rich