I heard the 8's blacks were really good and the 9's even better. So if the low end is somewhere in-between I'm very happy.

Yes and the it looks like the black levels may be a bit higher the the 768P 9 series but better than the 8 series. I guess we will have to wait for reviews and reports to see if this an issue or not.

- Rich

A 5000:1 dynamic contrast ratio does not equate to being better than a 3000:1 static ratio. If that were true, the latest LCDs would be superior to plasmas....and we all know that isn't true. If anything, the 65PX600U's blacks should be equal to a 7th or 8th gen Panasonic.

If the primary use will be computer graphics and the like, will the 1080p plasma offer anything better than the image available on the commercial TH-65PHD8UK?

w

Panny has the 65" 1080p 600u on their website:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S

MSRP is $9,999. I am sure vendors will have it lower. Specs of colors increased from the 3000 to 4000.

Isn't that a kick as tomorrow is officially the last day of Summer - they weren't kidding but talk about stretching to the last days. Good News but man is that thing heavy. Waiting for feedback it seems there wasn't much about it from CEDIA with Fujitsu and the 103" hogging space. Oh Well won't be long before there are owners nit-picking - Let it begin.

Better hope the delivery folks don't ship with single drivers even two people would have a challenge getting this thing up a porch and in the house. I recall getting my 500U 50" and it was far heavier than I imagined. :)

A 5000:1 dynamic contrast ratio does not equate to being better than a 3000:1 static ratio. If that were true, the latest LCDs would be superior to plasmas....and we all know that isn't true. If anything, the 65PX600U's blacks should be equal to a 7th or 8th gen Panasonic.

Perhaps, as usual we have different sources, my source said it shoud be better than the 8 series.

Also, that contrast ratio like the 10000:1 is measured with the front glass off, so it is better than you can get at home.

Like I said, at this point wait for forum member input, reviews, or an opportunity to view the panel if you are concerned. I certianly would be before spending 8K or more.

- Rich

Panny has the 65" 1080p 600u on their website:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S

MSRP is $9,999. I am sure vendors will have it lower. Specs of colors increased from the 3000 to 4000.What a beautiful looking display:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/th-65px600u.JPG

I wonder how this will affect the MSRP of the PRO-FHD1 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069731_290043890,00.html)?

Also, that contrast ratio like the 10000:1 is measured with the front glass off, so it is better than you can get at home.

If it is measured with the front glass off (f***'in stupid of you asked me), what is the point of marketing the product that way? You cannot achieve what they are spec'ed as you will have to deal with the front glass.

I'm not trying to bash you in the is post Rich. It's just shows how sleazy the marketing department at Panasonic has become. I guess Sony's relationship in the BDA is rubbing off.

What a beautiful looking display:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/th-65px600u.JPG

I wonder how this will affect the MSRP of the PRO-FHD1 (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/v3/pg/product/details/0,,2076_310069731_290043890,00.html)?

Pioneer has already done a price drop. the MSRP of the FHD-1 is 8K.

If it is measured with the front glass off (f***'in stupid of you asked me), what is the point of marketing the product that way? You cannot achieve what they are spec'ed as you will have to deal with the front glass.

I'm not trying to bash you in the is post Rich. It's just shows how sleazy the marketing department at Panasonic has become. I guess Sony's relationship in the BDA is rubbing off.

No argument here, but they need to keep up with all of the other *Marketing Department* Reminds me of the old tube monitors that were 17" but 15.4 viewable. :)

BTW, if you look at the spec it has a footnote with Panel Only. I think we know what that means ;)

- Rich

Talked to my two pre-order places today and told them about the set now being posted on Panasonic's website. (Or course they were unaware of this.) One dealer which recently communicated with Panasonic says Panasonic told them it would be in-store October 15th. (And Panasonic also verified that the pedestal stand is included. No information on included speakers.) The other dealer (who hasn't communicated with Panasonic) still shows an in-store date of 9/24/06.

At this point I think I'm getting more accurate information from the other members on this forum.

Yeah, it looks like the dates being tossed arond are only a few weeks off. I appears as if this thing is real, though I am still surprised with the lack of fanfare.

Yeah, it looks like the dates being tossed arond are only a few weeks off. I appears as if this thing is real, though I am still surprised with the lack of fanfare.

I'm thinking that the lack of fanfare may have something to do with the fact that there are only 350 sets in the initial shipment if the Mexico to U.S. shipping story is to be believed. And according to one person on this board they aren't even selling the TV in his neck of the woods.

(According to my dealer he's already pre-sold four sets from his one store. And Superbuck has one pre-ordered in the San Francisco area. So, by doing some quick math: 350 sets divided by 50 states equals SEVEN sets per state. California looks to be just about sold out of their allotment already. :p)

As production ramps up, maybe we'll hear more fanfare and prices will begin to drop. (Well, forget the fanfare--just give me the dropped prices.)

As I asked in another thread:

Since the TV is now on Panasonic's web page, has anyone called the Panasonic 1-800 number and inquired about ordering one? I'm wondering what time frame of delivery the live operator gives to people. (I'm stuck at work all day without phone access and on the West coast so I miss the calling hours, otherwise I'd give them jingle.)

Just tried to order a unit from the Panasonic web site. When you get to the shopping cart, it gives you an option to check availability. Reports that it should ship on or about 10/23.

Charlie O.

^^^^

Thanks, Charlie. I didn't try to order on-line because I figured I wouldn't get any information until they had my credit card number.

Any word on the Panasonic website whether the 65" accepts 1080p over HDMI?

Bobby

It's in the manual online. Accepts 1080p/60

so will it ship with speakers or not? Wonder how that will shake out. Website says optional detachable speakers. but no lisiting under accessories as this being seperate.

I hope it comes with them. I prefer to at least watch cable through the tv speakers.

-Mike

It's in the manual online. Accepts 1080p/60

But only via HDMI (presumably with overscan) not via the PC input (no overscan).

Apparently no way to get 1:1 pixel mapping to the screen.

But only via HDMI (presumably with overscan) not via the PC input (no overscan).

Apparently no way to get 1:1 pixel mapping to the screen.


I don't have time to look again (and I could be mistaken), but I thought there was an overscan adjustment option in the menu. Check the manual again, you may be surprised.

Yeah, it looks like the dates being tossed arond are only a few weeks off. I appears as if this thing is real, though I am still surprised with the lack of fanfare.
hopefully with good PQ, contrast and deep blacks, the fanfare will come when it is actually in the showrooms to compare and in peoples homes to review.

more shopping comparison sites are showing vendors with "in stock" still waiting on a shipping confirmed from someone here or pics showing somebody receiving/unpacking/watching this big dude.:)

I don't have time to look again (and I could be mistaken), but I thought there was an overscan adjustment option in the menu. Check the manual again, you may be surprised.

Could not find any mention of it.

I don't believe the consumer version has any sort of overscan adjustment in the basic user menu. My other consumer Panny has one if you go into the service menu, however.

Need I ask, "Has anybody seen one of these sets other than at a trade show?"?

I don't believe the consumer version has any sort of overscan adjustment in the basic user menu. My other consumer Panny has one if you go into the service menu, however.

show?"?

Yes (well kind of). Page 15 of the manual:

HD Size menu option
Selects between 97 % (Size 1) or 100 % (Size 2) for the scanning area when HDTV. (Size 1/ Size 2)

Select “Size 1” if noise is generated on the edges of the screen.
Size 1: Selected item for “HD size”. Scanning 97%
Size 2: Selected item for “HD size”. Scanning 100%

Yes (well kind of). Page 15 of the manual:

HD Size menu option
Selects between 97 % (Size 1) or 100 % (Size 2) for the scanning area when HDTV. (Size 1/ Size 2)

Select “Size 1” if noise is generated on the edges of the screen.
Size 1: Selected item for “HD size”. Scanning 97%
Size 2: Selected item for “HD size”. Scanning 100%

There is hope. Yet another thing we have to see in action.

- Rich

So close...soooo close... :)

This thing is supposed to show up soon in a local AV store, but I just hope I'll be able to demo it with a decent source. Unfortunately, this high-end store actually doesn't sell any Hi-Def DVD players, either HD-DVD or Blue Ray. I asked how it's possible a store with the latest/greatest displays can leave themselves so behind, when people have been able to walk into Best Buy and buy Hi-Def source players for months. I was told it was because they were hearing of too many technical issues with the new HD format, so weren't bringing them in until the kinks were worked out. Sheesh....you'd think a store would want the best source material available to show off their stuff. Guess not.

There is hope. Yet another thing we have to see in action.

- Rich

Yes, that might do it. Size1= 3% overscan
Size2= no overscan

Boy these manuals are hard to read,

Now any guesses what

"A JPEG image modified with a PC cannot be displayed."

might mean?

RH = BayBloorRadio ? Can't wait for your review, with everyone expecting the 65pPanny to set a new standard in plasma PQ, your writeup could be a masterpiece, anything less I'd be disappointed. Anticipation..... get the PDP in the stores for heaven's sake !

Yes, that might do it. Size1= 3% overscan
Size2= no overscan

Boy these manuals are hard to read,

Now any guesses what

"A JPEG image modified with a PC cannot be displayed."

might mean?


That's absolutley silly. As long as the JPEG image follows the format specification it shouldnt matter where or how it was modified. I can understand non compliance files. This mus be a translation error.

RH = BayBloorRadio ?

No, Kromer Radio.

I've done some consulting as a side gig (to my sound editing), helping people put together systems, buying displays, setting up surround sound etc. So I interact with lots of the salesmen in the city, which means I bring them business (I have no deals with any of them, I just bring people to the right store for the right product). Some of the folks at Kromer have been very accommodating, both with interacting via my consulting, and letting me test out displays.

I'm also on good terms with a salesman or two at Bay Bloor, but don't yet have quite the same relationship as with other stores in the City. Kromer is more likely to have the display set up so there is some light control (that's where I most recently tested out the Pioneer FHD1 plasma). With Bay Bloor it's more hit and miss that way. Hopefully Bay Bloor will do the Panny 65 justice, but if they place it out in the central part of the store in the "wall of Panasonic plasmas" that would be a bummer, because it's not optimal at all.

Another neat thing about this panel is the Zoom Adjust mode. It looks like it will come in handy with 2.35:1 material where you could have the image moved to the top or bottom. For burn-in paranoid freaks, this could be useful: Watch movie-1 with black bars on top and bottom, watch movie-2 with only black bars on top, then the final movie with the bars on the bottom. (You get the picture).

So close...soooo close... :)

This thing is supposed to show up soon in a local AV store, but I just hope I'll be able to demo it with a decent source. Unfortunately, this high-end store actually doesn't sell any Hi-Def DVD players, either HD-DVD or Blue Ray. I asked how it's possible a store with the latest/greatest displays can leave themselves so behind, when people have been able to walk into Best Buy and buy Hi-Def source players for months. I was told it was because they were hearing of too many technical issues with the new HD format, so weren't bringing them in until the kinks were worked out. Sheesh....you'd think a store would want the best source material available to show off their stuff. Guess not.
agree but rich they are also self protecting their own high margin dvd player sales. if they are not selling the toshiba or samsung then the buyers would want one too and the are not in position to sale it to them.
it is getting harder to sale say a denon 3910 for $1200 or pioneer elite 79 at $1000 when the toshiba is $500 does great sd upconvert and does HD DVD too.

even at risk of not making the display sale but as you point out sheesh.....they do it.

is it possible they have contracts not to display/sale/use other manufacturers products?

agree but rich they are also self protecting their own high margin dvd player sales. if they are not selling the toshiba or samsung then the buyers would want one too and the are not in position to sale it to them.
it is getting harder to sale say a denon 3910 for $1200 or pioneer elite 79 at $1000 when the toshiba is $500 does great sd upconvert and does HD DVD too.

even at risk of not making the display sale but as you point out sheesh.....they do it.

is it possible they have contracts not to display/sale/use other manufacturers products?

Assuming you have one, why would they object if you wanted to bring it in with your own software, as well?

Assuming you have one, why would they object if you wanted to bring it in with your own software, as well?
Agreed - perhaps if they could see what the HD DVD can do on a 1080P Display they may add to their inventory and increase sales of both -the Logic is in presenting the best PQ to improve sales and make up the money on volume of sales via a larger consumer base.

It's unlikely they'll see that panel shine like it should with anything less than an HD DVD or BD. I cannot think of an upconvert coming close to an HD Disk. The better they can present the panel the more likely it seems you can close a sale of one or both - to do otherwise defies logic to me. :)

hey rich rto and westy, i agree with ya'll. just wish life was that simple ...............

Another neat thing about this panel is the Zoom Adjust mode. It looks like it will come in handy with 2.35:1 material where you could have the image moved to the top or bottom. For burn-in paranoid freaks, this could be useful: Watch movie-1 with black bars on top and bottom, watch movie-2 with only black bars on top, then the final movie with the bars on the bottom. (You get the picture).

Is burn-in even a big issue anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw a post about someone having it, although I don't view the plasma forum all that regularly. Last I remember a good calibration and lowering the contrast pretty much keeps those demons away.

Is burn-in even a big issue anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw a post about someone having it, although I don't view the plasma forum all that regularly. Last I remember a good calibration and lowering the contrast pretty much keeps those demons away.

No, burn-in really isnt an issue anymore for the latest panels comming off the line as long as widescreen is used for the first few undred hours, and like you said, reduce torch mode.

The fact the zoom option is present is neat though.

I preordered mine today. I got 15% off MRSP at a local B & W high end elec. store. I currently have a 7 year old 3:2 aspect ratio 35 inch Sony Trinitron TV, 7 year old Denon 3300 receiver, and a non progressive scan Sony DVD player that came out soon after the format came out, and lastly Def Tech BP 10s. I will now have the 65px600u, a Denon 2807, I am planning on the Toshiba XA2 HDDVD player, and recently got Def Tech BP 7002s (Def Tef center with powered sub and the Def Tech surrounds also new upgrades). It will be interesting to see if I can see/hear a PQ improvement with the above upgrades.

15% off is no small change. Good find!

I preordered mine today. I got 15% off MRSP at a local B & W high end elec. store. I currently have a 7 year old 3:2 aspect ratio 35 inch Sony Trinitron TV, 7 year old Denon 3300 receiver, and a non progressive scan Sony DVD player that came out soon after the format came out, and lastly Def Tech BP 10s. I will now have the 65px600u, a Denon 2807, I am planning on the Toshiba XA2 HDDVD player, and recently got Def Tech BP 7002s (Def Tef center with powered sub and the Def Tech surrounds also new upgrades). It will be interesting to see if I can see/hear a PQ improvement with the above upgrades.

Steve-

Would you consider selling me your Rambler station wagon? :D

I tried to purchase (or, at least, preorder) the set today at a Magnolia store inside of a Best Buy because it shows up in their computer as being available as of today. The problem is it's listed as a special order item, but at the same time won't allow the salesperson to purchase the TV through their normal special ordering process.

The manager of the entire store, the manager of the Magnolia section, his assistant, two salespeople, a tech who knows how to manipulate through the inventory of all the Best Buys, and several calls to the Magnolia stand alone store on the other side of the city could not produce a sales order/receipt, so I guess Best Buy is still a little ways off from being able to actually offer the TV.

Anybody been successful in finding one physically "In Stock" yet?

I'm a supervisor in a Magnolia in Jersey and we will be getting the 65px600 available to order in the 1st week of october

I was told by the Canadian company The Brick that if I ordered today I'd get the plasma in the first week of october.

I preordered mine today. I got 15% off MRSP at a local B & W high end elec. store. I currently have a 7 year old 3:2 aspect ratio 35 inch Sony Trinitron TV, 7 year old Denon 3300 receiver, and a non progressive scan Sony DVD player that came out soon after the format came out, and lastly Def Tech BP 10s. I will now have the 65px600u, a Denon 2807, I am planning on the Toshiba XA2 HDDVD player, and recently got Def Tech BP 7002s (Def Tef center with powered sub and the Def Tech surrounds also new upgrades). It will be interesting to see if I can see/hear a PQ improvement with the above upgrades.

LOL!

The black bars on the screen will be smaller when you watch movies on the plasma, plus the screen's a little bigger.

If you put an order in direct at Panasonic.com and "check availability" it says "Ships on or about 10/24/2006". Now if it's anything like Sonystyle.com they always ship new TV's first before stores get them which isn't surprising since it's direct from the manufacturer. It would seem odd if dealers got the PX65s before direct shipping from Panasonic began on 10/24.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702

If you put an order in direct at Panasonic.com and "check availability" it says "Ships on or about 10/24/2006". Now if it's anything like Sonystyle.com they always ship new TV's first before stores get them which isn't surprising since it's direct from the manufacturer. It would seem odd if dealers got the PX65s before direct shipping from Panasonic began on 10/24.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702
It truly is not odd at all - in my viewing of new releases for 2 years here the independent dealers have delivered panels to new owners before direct buys from the manufacturer. As I have followed both RPTV and FP LCD/PDP that's been my observation of new owner forums they have rarely been direct purchase first delivery.

The very first SXRD's on the market last year did not come from SonyStyle - Go check the SXRD thread - BombThroat was first and it was from ShopSunshine - just one example and I'd bet the same will occur with the XRB2. I realize the Logic may flow that route but in reality of new owners starting threads here they rarely come from the manufacturer first in my observations. The Qualia is totally different as it had a totally proprietary marketing and distribution process as a high end panel. :)

It truly is not odd at all - in my viewing of new releases for 2 years here the independent dealers have delivered panels to new owners before direct buys from the manufacturer. As I have followed both RPTV and FP LCD/PDP that's been my observation of new owner forums they have rarely been direct purchase. :)

I hope you're right. Like I said i'm just going by Sony that has been the case the last couple years i followed it, from the Qualia 006 to the couple generations of SXRD and LCD sets sony direct has been first to deliver.

This whole PX/PZ debacle makes me think that perhaps Panasonic will modify the Japanese PZ, but call it a PX in the US since we haven't had a PX here. Also, their Press Releases have called for a PX model to be released. I don't think they would do something awful like keep us waiting for a whole year before they send the technology over here. But then again, I haven't been watching the market as much as many of you veterans. Any thoughts?

Bobby

Time to start thinking about a 65PX owners thread...

I'm a supervisor in a Magnolia in Jersey and we will be getting the 65px600 available to order in the 1st week of october

Interesting. The Best Buy/Magnolia computers still show a MSRP price ($9999) same as on Panasonic.com. With all the online dealers at significantly less then that do you think Best Buy will really try to sell at that price? I'm in a hurry, but I don't think I''m that desperate. In your experience does the price get updated when the product shows up? (Try Froogle for th-65px600u to see the online dealers. Many are saying available as of today - 9/24.)

My bet is demand will be huge, supply limited initially, so MSRP will likely hold but once production and supply ramps up the prices will drop and drop and drop, so it is with technology today - gotta luv it !

I was told by the Canadian company The Brick that if I ordered today I'd get the plasma in the first week of october.

Rich,

Make sure you take pictures and give us a FULL review when you get your set in the first week of October. ;)

(Canadian prices be damned. You are buying a set just so you can be the first one on this forum to say you have one, aren't you? I sense you reaching for your credit card even as I type this... :p )

My bet is demand will be huge, supply limited initially, so MSRP will likely hold but once production and supply ramps up the prices will drop and drop and drop, so it is with technology today - gotta luv it !

I have this feeling, also. I think all the semi-rich new-tech junkies, plasma fiends, and folks waiting for a plasma at this size at a decent price will want to get in on the action as soon as possible. (I'm in at least one of those groups.)

What I'm not sure is how long before the marketplace is saturated with enough product to force the price down. I have no real explanation, but I don't think it will be before Christmas...just a feeling. And how low will the price drop on Panasonic's 65 inch 1080p set before it's just not that profitable to produce? (Just how expensive/difficult is it to produce a 65 inch 1080p plasma?) Is the Japanese market overflowing with this model? Can I easily obtain one if I live in Japan?

I think the low-ball prices I've seen posted by some of the on-line dealers are pretty much hitting the bottom rung already. (And any on-line vendor can post very low prices and still not have the item in stock. We all know about the "switch to another model/brand" because "we DO have this other one in stock.")

I say all this about prices because the upcoming Fujitsu and Pioneer 60+ inch sets are/will be well north of the $10,000 mark. I guess it's possible that Panasonic has streamlined costs on making the set, so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass here.

Interesting. The Best Buy/Magnolia computers still show a MSRP price ($9999) same as on Panasonic.com. With all the online dealers at significantly less then that do you think Best Buy will really try to sell at that price? I'm in a hurry, but I don't think I''m that desperate. In your experience does the price get updated when the product shows up? (Try Froogle for th-65px600u to see the online dealers. Many are saying available as of today - 9/24.)bb normally follows msrp/map prices for products such as this. where most of the online sellers do not.
depending on your bb/magnolia whether they will work with you a little or just say that is the price.

I have this feeling, also. I think all the semi-rich new-tech junkies, plasma fiends, and folks waiting for a plasma at this size at a decent price will want to get in on the action as soon as possible. (I'm in at least one of those groups.)

What I'm not sure is how long before the marketplace is saturated with enough product to force the price down. I have no real explanation, but I don't think it will be before Christmas...just a feeling. And how low will the price drop on Panasonic's 65 inch 1080p set before it's just not that profitable to produce? (Just how expensive/difficult is it to produce a 65 inch 1080p plasma?) Is the Japanese market overflowing with this model? Can I easily obtain one if I live in Japan?

I think the low-ball prices I've seen posted by some of the on-line dealers are pretty much hitting the bottom rung already. (And any on-line vendor can post very low prices and still not have the item in stock. We all know about the "switch to another model/brand" because "we DO have this other one in stock.")

I say all this about prices because the upcoming Fujitsu and Pioneer 60+ inch sets are/will be well north of the $10,000 mark. I guess it's possible that Panasonic has streamlined costs on making the set, so maybe I'm just talking out of my ass here.



The New York storefronts have a full stock on hand of everything, all the time. :D

Given the non-linear ratio between cost and panel size, the fact that they've been producing these big 1080p PDPs for a year, and the relatively small slice of the market represented by people willing to fork over 10k or even 8k for what is, after all, a television, I'm not sure how much further the price will be reduced in the near term, by economy of scale....but hopefully I'm wrong.

Well, rest assured the MSRP will be 20-25% lower within a year....

Also, the initial dealer margin is ~30%.

I was told by the Canadian company The Brick that if I ordered today I'd get the plasma in the first week of october.

And Rich, can you give me two good reasons why you didn't order it? :D

I do not know the answer to this:

Is it possible to do 1:1 mapping with a consumer unit? I know that commercials need DVI or VGA. I planned on using a VP50 on the industrial, but my credit card is burning a hole in my pocket. If I can get native res 1:1 on PX I may just break down and order one.

What exactly is 1:1 mapping?

From what I hear Panasonic likes to clear out their inventory at end of month.
And there is a rumor that some 65PX600U may be on their way to my distributor.
I have a pre-order to fill for a good customer of mine, so I'm hoping to get the first
one in to "test for a day" before I deliver it. I've had the pre-order in for 6 months.

I'm looking for a fixed bracket for this monster. So far VMPL3 from Sanus , and
SF680 from Peerless may fit the bill. Anybody knows what will work ??

I'll need to upgrade the Panamax surge protector to something with noise reduction too. Any good suggestions ?

Nick

If you put an order in direct at Panasonic.com and "check availability" it says "Ships on or about 10/24/2006". Now if it's anything like Sonystyle.com they always ship new TV's first before stores get them which isn't surprising since it's direct from the manufacturer. It would seem odd if dealers got the PX65s before direct shipping from Panasonic began on 10/24.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&catGroupId=24973&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702


I checked Panasonic.com ordering for the 65PX600U again today. I added it to the cart and went to check out and clicked on availability and it said "available to ship in one day."

This is completely different from when I checked several times over the weekend and it said "ships on or about 10/24/2006"

Does this mean one could get this display from Panasonic.com by next week????

Ok I just checked the check out again and it says will ship on 9/26/06!

I just checked out hte link above, and it talks about 1080P display, not input- will this tv accept 1080P input over hdmi?

I checked Panasonic.com ordering for the 65PX600U again today. I added it to the cart and went to check out and clicked on availability and it said "available to ship in one day."

This is completely different from when I checked several times over the weekend and it said "ships on or about 10/24/2006"

Does this mean one could get this display from Panasonic.com by next week????

Ok I just checked the check out again and it says will ship on 9/26/06!

I am very tempted to order this beast but I am still worried about my seating distance from this display. My family sits anywhere from 8 ft. to 12 feet from the screen. According to S & V chart this would be OK for viewing 1080P or 1080i but would be way to close for 720P viewing and SD (480P & 480i) viewing. I can not move back any further from this the display in my living room. These distances are fixed.

Is this display too big for my viewing distances?

Any thought on this...........I mostly watch HD but my wife watches QVC and Headline news from DirecTV a lot so will this QVC SD picture be unwatchable for her at these distances?

I would love to get this display but do not want to regret buying it if the picture will suck at these distances.....................SD and HD.

I apprecitate anyone's feedback on this issue. :)

Thanks

I am very tempted to order this beast but I am still worried about my seating distance from this display. My family sits anywhere from 8 ft. to 12 feet from the screen. According to S & V chart this would be OK for viewing 1080P or 1080i but would be way to close for 720P viewing and SD (480P & 480i) viewing. I can not move back any further from this the display in my living room. These distances are fixed.

Is this display too big for my viewing distances?

Any thought on this...........I mostly watch HD but my wife watches QVC and Headline news from DirecTV a lot so will this QVC SD picture be unwatchable for her at these distances?

I would love to get this display but do not want to regret buying it if the picture will suck at these distances.....................SD and HD.

I apprecitate anyone's feedback on this issue. :)

Thanks



If you have a choice in seating positions between 8' and 12', and don't mind switching positions with your wife depending on the programming and source, you should be fine......but I haven't heard any reports about the SD performance of this panel. What type and size display are you currently using?

If you have a choice in seating positions between 8' and 12', and don't mind switching positions with your wife depending on the programming and source, you should be fine......but I haven't heard any reports about the SD performance of this panel. What type and size display are you currently using?

I have a 6 year old 53 inch Hitachi HD RPTV. I am the one that normally sits at 8 feet from the screen.

I checked Panasonic.com ordering for the 65PX600U again today. I added it to the cart and went to check out and clicked on availability and it said "available to ship in one day."

This is completely different from when I checked several times over the weekend and it said "ships on or about 10/24/2006"

Does this mean one could get this display from Panasonic.com by next week????

Ok I just checked the check out again and it says will ship on 9/26/06!



Sweet!

I just checked out hte link above, and it talks about 1080P display, not input- will this tv accept 1080P input over hdmi?

Yes, info from the owner's manual

I'll need to upgrade the Panamax surge protector to something with noise reduction too. Any good suggestions ?

Nick

And why do you feel you need to do that?

Yes, info from the owner's manual

Yes, but only 1080p/60, not 1080p/24. That means 3:2 pulldown will still need to be performed on HD DVD/Blu-Ray material. Disappointing when all the new Pioneer plasmas will accept 1080p/24 directlly.

I have a 6 year old 53 inch Hitachi HD RPTV. I am the one that normally sits at 8 feet from the screen.

I think you'll both be happy with this set.

Yes, but only 1080p/60, not 1080p/24. That means 3:2 pulldown will still need to be performed on HD DVD/Blu-Ray material. Disappointing when all the new Pioneer plasmas will accept 1080p/24 directlly.

You can buy the Pioneer instead, or the commercial Panny 65 w/ 1080p24 over DVI.

I checked Panasonic.com ordering for the 65PX600U again today. I added it to the cart and went to check out and clicked on availability and it said "available to ship in one day."

This is completely different from when I checked several times over the weekend and it said "ships on or about 10/24/2006"

Does this mean one could get this display from Panasonic.com by next week????

I guess there's one way to find out. ;)

And what's up with nsupuran from Florida getting one of these sets first. I thought the first shipment was coming up from Mexico. I'm in California and everybody knows Mexico and California share a common border. We should have first dibs on these sets.

Franchot - If you happen to score one first, I'll come over to help you unpack and hook it up??!! :D Or maybe we should both drive toward the border and hijack two of them. It's for a worthy cause. :p

Franchot - If you happen to score one first, I'll come over to help you unpack and hook it up??!! :D Or maybe we should both drive toward the border and hijack two of them. It's for a worthy cause. :p

I like your hijack idea. The dealers I'm talking to around here are giving me dates of "mid-October" to "we have no listing for that set." GRRRRR. :mad:

Yes, but only 1080p/60, not 1080p/24. That means 3:2 pulldown will still need to be performed on HD DVD/Blu-Ray material. Disappointing when all the new Pioneer plasmas will accept 1080p/24 directlly.

Well, sorta.

All HD-DVD/BluRay players will take 1080p24 source and output 1080p60 (assuming they have a 1080p60 output and the disc is actually recorded as 1080p24). This is a lot different than pulling down from 1080i60 material. Which is usally what people are talking about with 3:2 pulldown.

Since these sets only take 1080p60, they are going to need "pulled up" source. I'd imagine that in theory there could be some issues with this, but not too many. There will be no interlacing ambiguity, no cadence detection requirements, nor any particularly high-motion sequences. Film at 24fps is incapable of certain kinds of motion reproduction and therefore material is created for film accordingly.

Creating a "2:3 pullup" in this case to turn progressive 24fps material into progressive 60fps material is unlikely to create much anyone ever sees.

And, yes, next year, I'm certain Panasonic will support 1080p24 and make it a selling point.

P.C. Richards and Sons, A rather large NY metro chain as of last night showed six arriving by 10/08 with another 14 coming in by 10/20, they also showed that six were presold.

Hollywood, if you find out where they're displaying the unit on L.I., please post. Thanks.

Hollywood, if you find out where they're displaying the unit on L.I., please post. Thanks.

Absolutely, I have also been told that not every Magnolia/BB is going to have it, it may only be on display at possibly one, my guess would be Westbury or Huntington, which is the 2 busiest stores on LI. I will check with Intercounty to see if they have shipped to any local Mom & Pop stores. Funny thing PC Richards told me the same thing it will only be displayed in maybe one store.

P.C. Richards and Sons, A rather large NY metro chain as of last night showed six arriving by 10/08 with another 14 coming in by 10/20, they also showed that six were presold.

PC R just reopened an expanded store in Queens, corner of Northern and Francis Lewis Blvd, just west of the Clearview Expressway. I haven’t checked it out yet but since it’s now a new super sized store, I wouldn’t be surprised to find one there.

Well, sorta.

All HD-DVD/BluRay players will take 1080p24 source and output 1080p60 (assuming they have a 1080p60 output and the disc is actually recorded as 1080p24). This is a lot different than pulling down from 1080i60 material. Which is usally what people are talking about with 3:2 pulldown.

Since these sets only take 1080p60, they are going to need "pulled up" source. I'd imagine that in theory there could be some issues with this, but not too many. There will be no interlacing ambiguity, no cadence detection requirements, nor any particularly high-motion sequences. Film at 24fps is incapable of certain kinds of motion reproduction and therefore material is created for film accordingly.

Creating a "2:3 pullup" in this case to turn progressive 24fps material into progressive 60fps material is unlikely to create much anyone ever sees.

And, yes, next year, I'm certain Panasonic will support 1080p24 and make it a selling point.

Thank you- that answers my question perfectly. 20K posts! wow!

that was only my 200th! :)

MY REPORT ON THE PANNY 65 1080P HERE! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=728770)

I just called the new Best Buy that just opened near me that I haven't even been in yet and found out it's a Magnolia store. The salesman I talked to said he would be receiving the PX65, actually it was ETA 9/24 so any day now he expects. Sweet! :)

I just called the new Best Buy that just opened near me that I haven't even been in yet and found out it's a Magnolia store. The salesman I talked to said he would be receiving the PX65, actually it was ETA 9/24 so any day now he expects. Sweet! :)

In my part of the country, that's the ETA I've been hearing at three Best/Buy Magnolias since last week with the "expect it any day now" also thrown it. And yet, the main warehouse shows "none" available. (The stand-alone Magnolia had the 9/24 date, but switched it to "mid-October" this week.)

Let us know when something actually shows up at one of the stores near you. Thanks.

This just came in from Panasonic Customer Service:

We just received about 100 pieces of the 65", but I don't know for sure
when they will hit stores. My guess would be around the first week of
October.

Thank you,

8123 S. Hardy Drive
Tempe, AZ 85284
Tel: 480-446-1651 Rob Carnes
Fax: 480-467-6458 Customer Service

Magnolia availability update:

My salesman informs me that my pre-order unit has arrived in their Kent warehouse, and should be in the showroom around noon tomorrow. According to him, they received several units (they wouldn't specify how many). Looks like a road-trip tomorrow!

He will sell me the stand for $999 - I think I would pitch in a few more dollars and pick up a nice 42" for that :confused:

THe stupid table top pedestal is $1000?!?! What's it made out of, gold? WTF?

He will sell me the stand for $999 - I think I would pitch in a few more dollars and pick up a nice 42" for that :confused:

Can you say wall mount :p

- Rich

Thought I read that the stand is included in MSRP. If not, and anywhere near $999, the 70" SXRD may be moving to the number 1 spot in this race!

THe stupid table top pedestal is $1000?!?! What's it made out of, gold? WTF?

As I stated in another thread an e-mail from Panasonic customer service and my dealer at Magnolia have both confirmed that the table top pedestal stand is included. If not, I'm ready to join the "WTF Club," also. (At that price I could almost hire somebody from Gold's Gym to stand in my living room and hold the set whenever I needed. I'd guess I'd have an articulating arm mount that way, huh?)

(At that price I could almost hire somebody from Gold's Gym to stand in my living room and hold the set whenever I needed. I'd guess I'd have an articulating arm mount that way, huh?)

LOL! I needed a good laugh, thanks :)

Might not hurt to run a double check email back to Panny customer service. So far both the manual and the website list the pedestal stand as optional.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S

(Under General at the bottom)

As I stated in another thread an e-mail from Panasonic customer service and my dealer at Magnolia have both confirmed that the table top pedestal stand is included. If not, I'm ready to join the "WTF Club," also. (At that price I could almost hire somebody from Gold's Gym to stand in my living room and hold the set whenever I needed. I'd guess I'd have an articulating arm mount that way, huh?)

Sorry Fran, unless my sales person at Panasonic direct is wrong (always a possiblilty) the stand and speakers are a seperate purchase at about $1,000 each.(Yea, WTF!)
It does not look promising as the Panasonic web site also says that it's optional
Panasonic specs for the TH-65PX600U (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S)
They will be shipping mine today or tomorrow so I'll report back when I get mine in the next week or 2 from Panasonic direct.

In the meantime, I'm continuing my obsessive behavior by dusting off the table saw and hand-designing an interim pedestal mount. Is anyone familiar with the mechanical structure of the Panny sets? Based on the wall-mount specification that someone posted to this thread earlier, it looks like the four mounting bolts are M5 - and I'm sure to be careful not to thread them too deep.

Does anyone know if these are proper load bearing screws, or does the set need to be supported from a ledge on the bottom as well?

In the meantime, I'm continuing my obsessive behavior by dusting off the table saw and hand-designing an interim pedestal mount. Is anyone familiar with the mechanical structure of the Panny sets? Based on the wall-mount specification that someone posted to this thread earlier, it looks like the four mounting bolts are M5 - and I'm sure to be careful not to thread them too deep.

Does anyone know if these are proper load bearing screws, or does the set need to be supported from a ledge on the bottom as well?

I hope they're bigger than M5 for the 65", especially if there's only four of them. M8 would be nice.

To answer your question, though, I've never seen a lower ledge on a flat wall mount. The display hangs only on the screws on the back (hence the comment re: their dia.)

As I stated in another thread an e-mail from Panasonic customer service and my dealer at Magnolia have both confirmed that the table top pedestal stand is included. If not, I'm ready to join the "WTF Club," also. (At that price I could almost hire somebody from Gold's Gym to stand in my living room and hold the set whenever I needed. I'd guess I'd have an articulating arm mount that way, huh?)

:D The answer to this question may finally push me over the edge to an FP solution. I already have a dedicated room, so......... Two grand for "accessories" on a consumer model, not including a mount? I dun theenk so.

I talked to my dealer at Magnolia tonight about these expensive "optional accessories" and what others are saying on this forum and he still can't believe that the set does not come with, at least, a stand. He promised me that tomorrow he is going to contact his vendor and Panasonic directly to get to the bottom of this. From Elven's buying experience I sense that Panasonic is going to "get to the bottom of my bank account" with these "optional accessories" and that my dealer is going to continue to be in a state of disbelief.

Gentlemen: Maybe we can avoid filling up the pages with a discission of whether or not a stand is included and how crazy a marketing strategy that may or may not be.

As soon as the first set is delivered (presumably within days) we will know if the stand is included or not. Until that time, no one will believe anyone for sure based upon the comments confirming and denying the inclusion of the stand to date.

Let's not shoot Panasonic if they did not include the stand. Many,many people are interested in this set because it represents a perceived "value" for a 1
1080P set at 65". It is not $20k that Fujitsu is planning on as an MSRP.

In the end, anyone seriously considering this set can spend $1,000 on the stand (probably less whatever discount) or spend what will certainly be $300 to well over $500 for a wall mount including installation costs to ensure that you have support and help to install this unit. The difference between the two will be small in relative terms.

Either way, if you are considering this set, you can afford either option easily. If not, I would strongly urge you to consider a less expensive alternative. These TV's (!) are not that important in life (as non of us spending time on this forum - especially myself - can remeber each day).

Apologies if I sound rude or judgmental this morning. I am travelling for a few days and am really looking for comments like Rich's original post regarding what people are seeing to the extent possible.

Gentlemen: Maybe we can avoid filling up the pages with a discission of whether or not a stand is included and how crazy a marketing strategy that may or may not be.

Let's not shoot Panasonic if they did not include the stand.Panasonic's web site states the "Pedestal Stand (is) Optional." The more I learn about this PDP the less I like it... no HDMI 1.3 support, no two-way CableCARD support, no dual-tuners and now for $9999.95 you have to pay extra to obtain a stand or wall-mount for this "consumer" TV? Why are "experienced" A/V enthusiasts so eager and willing to settle for less? I thought I was reasonably well off financially but I guess you guy's must have a lot of money to burn.

Panasonic's web site states the "Pedestal Stand (is) Optional." The more I learn about this PDP the less I like it... no HDMI 1.3 support, no two-way CableCARD support, no dual-tuners and now for $9999.95 you have to pay extra to obtain a stand or wall-mount for this "consumer" TV? Why are "experienced" A/V enthusiasts so eager and willing to settle for less? I thought I was reasonably well off financially but I guess you guy's must have a lot of money to burn.

That's why I opted for the PF. I'm expecting a new HDMI1.3 blade to come out in the near future. Plus, its easy to hook up two or more sources. I don't know if it's possible, but a two way cableCard blade may come out - and would be such an easy install.

I weighed the pro's and cons of the consumer, and after teetering for a while ended up on the pro side.

Regardless, I think both sets will look spetacular.


-Jack

:D The answer to this question may finally push me over the edge to an FP solution. I already have a dedicated room, so......... Two grand for "accessories" on a consumer model, not including a mount? I dun theenk so.

I'm actually still amazed that people buy a 65" 1080p plasma and then use or buy 'plasma speakers' that either come with or are optional for the plasma. I would think the vast majority would have a dedicated amp/receiver and surround speakers, thus obviating the need for the speakers that either come with or are optional for the plasma. I probably wouldn't even be considering the Panny if it had built-in, non-removable speakers....unnescesary bulk IMO.

Now I can see needing the stand...which surely is not cheap, but there's always wall mounting.

Panasonic's web site states the "Pedestal Stand (is) Optional." The more I learn about this PDP the less I like it... no HDMI 1.3 support, no two-way CableCARD support, no dual-tuners and now for $9999.95 you have to pay extra to obtain a stand or wall-mount for this "consumer" TV? Why are "experienced" A/V enthusiasts so eager and willing to settle for less? I thought I was reasonably well off financially but I guess you guy's must have a lot of money to burn.

Optivity, I can probably give you a few reasons why many are considering it:

* It is a great value for a 65" 1080p panel, even if it comes with no stand/spkrs
* Many aren't convinced of the value of HDMI 1.3 for a variety of good reasons
* There is no TV out there that currently supports 1.3 to my knowledge
* Are there any TVs that support 2-way CCs?
* I've got 2 HDTVs with built-in ATSC tuners and use neither...I use a STB

So I don't think it's a question of 'settling for less' as opposed to 'meetng your needs'.

I'm actually still amazed that people buy a 65" 1080p plasma and then use or buy 'plasma speakers' that either come with or optional for the plasma. I would think the vast majority would have a dedicated amp/receiver and surround speakers, thus obviating the need for the speakers that either come with or optional for the plasma. I probably wouldn't even be considering the Panny if it had built-in, non-removable speakers....unnescesary bulk IMO.

Now I can see needing the stand...which surely is not cheap, but there's always wall mounting.

I agree. I would not put this on a table top. Somebody trips, and bye bye.
Then there is how you view TV. If you want Pay Per View or a DVR, what is the point of having a tuner. I just got my TiVo series 3. The thing is absolutely awesome.

I need speakers and cablecards for Kitchen and bedroom TVs not for HT.

Congratulation Jack, I think you are going to like this display :D

- Rich

Optivity, I can probably give you a few reasons why many are considering it:

* It is a great value for a 65" 1080p panel, even if it comes with no stand/spkrs
* Many aren't convinced of the value of HDMI 1.3 for a variety of good reasons
* There is no TV out there that currently supports 1.3 to my knowledge
* Are there any TVs that support 2-way CCs?
* I've got 2 HDTVs with built-in ATSC tuners and use neither...I use a STB

So I don't think it's a question of 'settling for less' as opposed to 'meetng your needs'.

I agree. No 2-way cablecard or HDMI 1.3? Jack, you're at least a generation away from these. Name one display that has either. There aren't even standards yet for the former. Plus, these features aren't just a matter of providing the inputs. In the case of HDMI 1.3, the display must also be designed to take advantage of it. For 2-way cablecard, the remote and menu setup need to accomodate it.

I'll say it again -- source material is not shot using the "deep color" capability offered by HDMI 1.3. It may be years, if ever, before it is. Even then, the bandwidth required will likely keep it from being delivered via broadcast.

I was sold on that having HDMI would be nice but not necessary by refreshing about colors and BD here:

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/bit-depth.htm
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml

If we can only make out about 10 million colors and the internal processing handles higher bit depth calculations (for round off errors) then what does 1.3 really buy me.

As for CC, it's nice to have but I can live with out it.

-Jack

I'm actually still amazed that people buy a 65" 1080p plasma and then use or buy 'plasma speakers' that either come with or are optional for the plasma. I would think the vast majority would have a dedicated amp/receiver and surround speakers, thus obviating the need for the speakers that either come with or are optional for the plasma. I probably wouldn't even be considering the Panny if it had built-in, non-removable speakers....unnescesary bulk IMO.

Now I can see needing the stand...which surely is not cheap, but there's always wall mounting.

Why are you amazed that people may not want to have to turn on their surround sound system just to listen to the news or some talking heads? Many of us use our plasmas for casual TV viewing, and having the option of using the TV speakers or a surround system is a nice one to have. If the display is used only as a dedicated HT then I agree TV speakers are of no use at all. But one of the main distinctions between a plasma/LCD display as opposed to a FP for HT is their ability to be used as a full time TV, and for most of us it is just that.

gkouri, how much did panasonic pay you to post that? :rolleyes:

I think the guys endlessly posting about their internet connections on the PZ thread is way off-topic, but no one seemed bothered by that. You guys are a funny bunch for sure ;)

Not to belabor the "optional stand and speakers" topic, but...

When I look at the commercial plasmas on Panasonic's site, I see that a pedestal stand for a 50 inch panel is $175. I just can't fathom how a stand for a 65 inch TV is practically SIX times that price! Is the profit margin so slim on this new 65 inch plasma that they need to gouge some of us consumers on the price of the stand.

Having not heard the quality of the speakers, I can't comment on their worth, but that price also sounds exorbitant to me. (And like dsmith901 I'd like some sort of sound coming from the TV for the quick viewing times when I don't need 7.1 surround sound from my sound system.)

Is there any other stand or alternative that would work with this set?

Maybe, Rich H., if you go back for another look at the set you could ask the salespeople if the stand is, indeed, not included. Maybe you could call them for us? :)

From the Official Panasonic site:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S

"Speakers Optional Detachable Speakers (80mm round speaker x 6) (3-way) (10% THD, 30W Output Power) "

"Pedestal Stand Optional"

So, both the speakers and stand ARE optional.

On line, both may be had for about 70-80% of the MSRP.

So, both the speakers and stand ARE optional.

On line, both may be had for about 70-80% of the MSRP.

Yes, I can find a stand at a reduced price, but this is a stand for the older sets. Will that stand work with the new TH-65PX600u? If you have a link to the TY-ST65PV500 stand, please supply it. (Another member says that Panasonic has not released the new stand.)

Yes, I can find a stand at a reduced price, but this is a stand for the older sets. Will that stand work with the new TH-65PX600u? If you have a link to the TY-ST65PV500 stand, please supply it. (Another member says that Panasonic has not released the new stand.)

Well a Google will probably find several stands, speakers that will work. But, yes, I would wait until the official new ones are released just to make sure, and they also will be in the 70-80% range, just like the TV is now... :)

Why are you amazed that people may not want to have to turn on their surround sound system just to listen to the news or some talking heads? Many of us use our plasmas for casual TV viewing, and having the option of using the TV speakers or a surround system is a nice one to have. If the display is used only as a dedicated HT then I agree TV speakers are of no use at all. But one of the main distinctions between a plasma/LCD display as opposed to a FP for HT is their ability to be used as a full time TV, and for most of us it is just that.

That's fine. Then in that scenario I would go with cheapo speakers since sound quality is obviously not an important issue. You can get nice speakers for that purpose for far less than $1,000. So the Panny $1,000 speakers are a non-issue no matter how you slice it.

That's why I opted for the PF. I'm expecting a new HDMI1.3 blade to come out in the near future. Plus, its easy to hook up two or more sources. I don't know if it's possible, but a two way cableCard blade may come out - and would be such an easy install.

I weighed the pro's and cons of the consumer, and after teetering for a while ended up on the pro side.

Regardless, I think both sets will look spetacular.


-JackI viewed a PRO-FHD1 at Tweeters and the display rendered a noticeable improvement in HDTV resolution, with more smoothness of contours and increased color depth of perception versus the current generation of 720p plasma TVs. However, in order to justify buying a TV or monitor right now, while knowing I'm likely to incur a period of Mrs. optivity's disapproval during the process; :rolleyes: IMO, that $10,000 1080p PDP has to come with a few more bells & whistles! ;)

I viewed a PRO-FHD1 at Tweeters and the display rendered a noticeable improvement in HDTV resolution, with more smoothness of contours and increased color depth of perception versus the current generation of 720p plasma TVs. However, in order to justify buying a TV or monitor right now, while knowing I'm likely to incur a period of Mrs. optivity's disapproval during the process; :rolleyes: IMO, that $10,000 1080p PDP has to come with a few more bells & whistles! ;)
Does anyone actually sell it or buy it for anywhere near that MSRP? I've seen it regularly for under $8K. Still way up there though for a 50". :)

I thought pioneer decreased the MSRP to $7900 neighborhood?

.. that $10,000 1080p PDP has to come with a few more bells & whistles! ;)
For me...
bells & whistles = inches
no less than 5 more...
to infinity and beyond!

From the Official Panasonic site:

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?storeId=15001&catalogId=13401&itemId=98487&modelNo=TH-65PX600U&cacheProgram=11002&cachePartner=7000000000000005702&surfModel=TH-65PX600U&catGroupId=24973&surfCategory=Plasma%20TVs&displayTab=S

"Speakers Optional Detachable Speakers (80mm round speaker x 6) (3-way) (10% THD, 30W Output Power) "

"Pedestal Stand Optional"

So, both the speakers and stand ARE optional.

On line, both may be had for about 70-80% of the MSRP.


I wonder if the pedestal mount from the 58" will fit this? Those came with the TVs (imagine that) and people are selling them off on ebay for $129.

I wonder if the pedestal mount from the 58" will fit this? Those came with the TVs (imagine that) and people are selling them off on ebay for $129.

I don't have the pedestal specs for the 65"er.
The 58":

The bolts center at 26" apart;
Lowest bolts are 14.9" off the base; second set are +12.6" more = 27.5"

Does the 65" match those numbers??

Does anyone actually sell it or buy it for anywhere near that MSRP? I've seen it regularly for under $8K. Still way up there though for a 50". :)If I'm going to consider spending $8K - $10K for a TV at that point an extra grand or two doesn't matter as much as the overall investment.For me...
bells & whistles = inches
no less than 5 more...
to infinity and beyond!and I've made many posts in this Forum that IMO a 50" display is too small Space Ranger! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzz_Lightyear_of_Star_Command) :D

Well, I spoke to my Magnolia salesperson today and he said that my plasma is in Arriba and should be here in a few days. (Is Arriba a warehouse destination/holding center for Magnolia or Panasonic? I thought these TVs were coming up from Mexico. Maybe the sets are taking a round-about trip up through Texas and have to be processed somewhere first?)

Although I would have the TV, I still need the "optional" table stand. The vendor told my salesperson that the table stands are on a ship that is currently coming from Asia to California. He also quoted the stand price to be $1200 and the speakers at $600. (Hey, what a bargain if I purchase both, huh? A saving of two hundred bucks from other quoted prices!) My salesperson said the "optional" table stand and speakers should show up on Panasonic's web site in the next few days according to this Panasonic contact.

People are talking about using the 58 inch table stand as an alternative. What about the table stand for the commercial Panasonic TH-65PHD8UK? Is that also a possibility?

Wow Franchot. Looks like maybe you will have the first in-depth review of this panel. Can't wait!

People are talking about using the 58 inch table stand as an alternative. What about the table stand for the commercial Panasonic TH-65PHD8UK? Is that also a possibility?

dtvcity sells it for $850. No idea if it'll fit, but aesthetically it'll probably look odd since it's black and the base of the PX65 is silver.

http://www.dtvcity.com/agraphics/access/panasonic_stand_65.jpg

Wow Franchot. Looks like maybe you will have the first in-depth review of this panel. Can't wait!

Unfortunately, I won't be reviewing anything if I don't get a stand because I don't have a wall I can drill into for a wall mount.

Thanks, Jason. I've found several places that sell the table stand for last year's 65 inch Pannys. It's a matter of will it fit. I guess I'll pick the brains of the customer sales people and help desk at Panasonic tomorrow.

Here is a wall mount that will work; need to select the PLP Pan65 adapter plate. $134 free shipping.
http://www.racksandstands.com/Peerless-SF16D-Kit-25PE1061.html

My plan is to SUSPEND IN MID AIR my 65"er!! :eek:

Here's the deal. I have a 7' x 4' TV cove, and I plan to use the above mount and hang it above my BDI Avion cabinet using chrome chain from each side, top and bottom of the mount, to each side wall via an implanted eye bolt sunk deep into the wall above above each side!! :eek:

Now are there any structural engineers on site? :eek:

As for the speakers, I've got plenty and will use the fronts of my 7.1 system.

Done....where do I order? :D

I'm actually still amazed that people buy a 65" 1080p plasma and then use or buy 'plasma speakers' that either come with or are optional for the plasma. I would think the vast majority would have a dedicated amp/receiver and surround speakers, thus obviating the need for the speakers that either come with or are optional for the plasma. I probably wouldn't even be considering the Panny if it had built-in, non-removable speakers....unnescesary bulk IMO.

Now I can see needing the stand...which surely is not cheap, but there's always wall mounting.

I simply don't like firing up the entire 7.1 butt massaging system, simply to watch the news, check the weather forecast, etc., and the inclusion of speakers gives me the option of not having to do that. I also personally happen to prefer the look of this set with the speakers.

We have only one display in the house (42" plasma) that functions as our TV and movie watching device (I shudder to call it "home theater" lest the projector hounds descend). We have surround sound. But the fact that we are using external speakers via an AV amp means no additional hassle at all in terms of everyday operation. One button on the universal remote turns on both the display and the sound. Ta Da - no harder than turning on our old tube set. And it's simply set to "stereo" for regular TV watching. Although it is nice to be able to simply switch on one of the surround matrixes when viewing performance shows and some sporting events.

Here is a wall mount that will work; need to select the PLP Pan65 adapter plate. $134 free shipping.
http://www.racksandstands.com/Peerless-SF16D-Kit-25PE1061.html


Actually it is much simpler to hang and I will not need a special mount to accomplish the task.

The back of the PDP has double bolt holes on each side above center and single bolt holes on the same line below center. The commercial mounts use these six bolt holes to secure the PDP to various brackets. Since there are three holes in line on each side of center, I will use 1" angle iron of about 3' length(full height of 65PDP is 42") with 3 holes drilled in the spots where the bolts fit in the PDP to secure the angle iron. One for each side, and a hole in the angle flange at the top and bottom to connect the chain or wire that will connect to the side walls.

I will then lift each side alternating back and forth to lift the PDP to the proper height. Since I am lifting from the back of the PDP but at near the top it will tip forward at the top and back at the bottom. Chain/wire to the bottom from the side wall will be tightenend to bring the bottom back in line and provide a slight tilt forward for viewing.

This will work very nicely in my 4' x 7' cove with about a foot of space on each side of the PDP to the wall. The cabinet will be free wheeling and easy to move under the suspended PDP and just 2" lower than the bottom of the PDP.

Luckily, I have a 100 yr old stick built house with large rough cut studs in the walls to secure everything, and with a 9' ceiling space above for the lift points.

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1) Now if I get the Toshiba HD-A2(whatever its called) in December that has HDMI 1.3, and a receiver that has HDMI 1.3 then I am all set for the best audio. The HDMI connection to the PDP (HDMI v 1.2a) from v1.3 receiver will work ok as the video is all that the PDP is interested in and backwards compatibility says it should work?

2) If I use the Dish(currently have a spinoff of Cox called Suddenlink that has only just added 7 HD channels) which has 26 HD channels, the audio from the STB will go to the receiver while the HDMI goes to the other HDMI PDP input? I am using the receiver for TV audio.

Humm, what's a good Receiver? I have a 1992 Yamaha, but that will go.
Off to the audio section of the AVS Forum.... :D


Bob

bwClark:

Sounds like an interesting install. Good luck.

I'm gonna have help from my brother for the life and connection.

I just bought some 4"x4" posts. I didnt want to lag into 2"x4"'s, plus I had 24" centers and the mount was for 16". I'm gonna bolt all the way through the posts with washers on the ends. This will hold very nicely.

I want to use a Chief PDR-2000, however I am finding it very difficult to obtain. MountsAndMore doesnt offer the series 2000 and I may have to go right to the maker to get one.

Here is one for 24" centers: A Peerless unit,
http://www.racksandstands.com/Peerless-SF24D-Kit-PE1064.html

Actually if I can't get the Chief, I was going to a Peerless PLAV70:

http://www.peerlessindustries.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/productId/149316/categoryID/195/u/T

Panasonic.com updated their picture of the PX65 to reflect the optional speakers and stand. I wonder if it comes with a power cable or if that's optional for $6000. :rolleyes:


http://www2.panasonic.com/static//LargerPhoto/TH-65PX600U_L_Angle.jpg

NY/NJ 6th Ave Electronics is claiming to have in stock today. I called, however, it is NOT on display.......also in their flyer....TH65PX600U. 1920 X 1080p at 9999.99

Anyone have one yet?

1) Now if I get the Toshiba HD-A2(whatever its called) in December that has HDMI 1.3, and a receiver that has HDMI 1.3 then I am all set for the best audio. The HDMI connection to the PDP (HDMI v 1.2a) from v1.3 receiver will work ok as the video is all that the PDP is interested in and backwards compatibility says it should work?

Bob

Yes, such a setup should work fine. You don't necessarily need HDMI 1.3 at all in order to get the new high def audio formats. Just make sure that the player has the capability to decode them. It can then transmit the decoded audio as a PCM output through HDMI 1.1 connections. The difference with HDMI 1.3 is that you can transmit the new audio formats in their encoded form to be decoded in the receiver, which may or may not be an advantage.

The bottom line is that it is not necessary to have HDMI 1.3 connections to take advantage of the new high def audio formats.

Went to my local Magnolia (Westchester County, NY). Not only didn't they kn ow what I was talking about, but had none coming in. After they looked it up, they said I could order now and it would be in around October 25. :mad:

My BB/Magnolia guy here in DeWitt NY said something strange to me. He said only his store and the Buffalo one would get the set in NY. Neither market is the largest in NY state by far, so it made no sense to me.

Went to my local Magnolia (Westchester County, NY). Not only didn't they kn ow what I was talking about, but had none coming in. After they looked it up, they said I could order now and it would be in around October 25. :mad:
:D LOL...well, MY Magnolia never heard of a Panny 1080p...and had none on order (I guess because it does not exist :rolleyes: )

Then I asked about the very new Sony SXRD XBR2 units. The manager said that not only have they had IT for months...they have the XBR3 (I told him "that's pretty darn miraculous as the XBR2 is not even out yet, really.") :rolleyes: (sigh)

Elven (through Panasonic direct) or I should have this new 65 inch set in our homes the first week of October or the next. (I went to my Magnolia dealer today to see what my status was. He told me my set was in the Magnolia warehouse in Denoova ??? (never heard of the town, but he said it's in the San Francisco area. In another post I had erroneously stated it was in Arriba, Colorado.)

Anyway, the stand for the set is on a boat in the Pacific Ocean making its way to California. My salesguy is going to try and find out from his vendor if the pedestal stand from the commerical 65 inch Panny set will fit the new consumer set. (I tried calling Panny direct and other dealers, but couldn't find out anything.)

SuperBuck27 mentioned that he is getting a set from the Colma Magnolia. He doesn't post very often so he may have one already.

I know that dealing with the Magnolias within a Best Buy store has been fruitless for me. They find it in their inventory system, but are unable to special order the item. Maybe when more sets make it off the production line because a large pool of unfilled pre-orders is not going to make for very many happy customers. At the stand-alone Magnolia were I was successful in pre-ordering the set, the salespeople have pre-sold five sets. Now, we're waiting for the sets to be shipped from the main warehouse.

Talking with my salesperson who talks to his vendor who talks to Panasonic, my salesperson says there's lots of "finger-pointing" going on between Panasonic and the vendors. The vendors are blaming Panasonic for not deseminating the proper information about the "optional" stands and speakers and delivery times, etc. of the sets while Panasonic says the vendors have not been forthcoming with the information that Panasonic is giving them. My salesperson said he ends up looking bad to his customers because he can't really give definitive answers on the set. And whatever answers he gives, seem to be changing. For example, I called three on-line vendors today and all three swore that the pedestal stand was included with the set. Even today my salesperson is not 100% convinced that the set doesn't ship with a stand! :eek:

Yes, one would certainly expect a "Consumer" model to come with a stand and speakers. At least most consumers would....but not us right, we read the manual,etc. that said differently! ;)

I wonder if the 65 PZ 600 comes with the stand in Japan? :D

Yes, one would certainly expect a "Consumer" model to come with a stand and speakers. At least most consumers would....but not us right, we read the manual,etc. that said differently! ;)

I wonder if the 65 PZ 600 comes with the stand in Japan? :D

I know you put a "smiley" at the end of your question, but that's a damn good question. Maybe our "informer" from Japan will chime in with an answer.

The eagle has landed.

I drove the five hours (each way) to my Bellevue Magnolia to pick the "baby" up. According to them they received 20 units, and had six left available for purchase this morning - no small demand!

I'm embarrassed to say that due to the reports of no stand being true, I have the panel wired in a particularly backcountry way on one end of my room in front of the fireplace (below the mantel).

It looks tremendously sweet, but this is my first plasma, so I'm sure I'm having plasma shock, and am not going to even pretend to be a discriminative reviewer. I'm currently running HDMI input from my Motorola Time-Warner box, but I can't get the display to report anything over 720P. Now to download the user's manual for the cable box.

The eagle has landed.

Congratulations! :) You beat the rest of us! :D A ten hour road trip, eh? (I probably would have done the same thing! :D )

Looking forward to your review and thoughts on the set (and pictures if you can manage it.) Congratulations again!

I drove the five hours (each way) to my Bellevue Magnolia to pick the "baby" up. According to them they received 20 units, and had six left available for purchase this morning - no small demand!



Is that Bellevue, WA? I am supposedly on a list to be notified when they come in, but I haven't heard anything yet.

OK - I got my Motorola dct6416 to output 1080i - I have to say the difference in pic quality is tremendous. My seating distance is 20 feet, where it's arguable that such high resolution isn't required.

My eyesight is pretty good, and even at ten feet the picture is crystal - I can't perceive the pixel boundaries.

I do have a front projector DLP system (1024X768) which has been inoperative for three months, and I can say I've forgotten the drastic quality differences between different camera shots, much less between different resolution source material.

I admit I was having buyer's remorse earlier tonight, but I just can't make the silly giddy feeling go away for now :)

My big mover was Magnolia's 30 day no questions asked return policy with no restocking fee, and their 30 day price match guarantee.

Correct - I bought the panel at Magnolia Bellevue, WA - my salesman was John Webb FYI - but all the people in the store knew about the "1080p 65 inch panasonic" :)

Sounds good so far. Glad you're not disappointed in what you're seeing.

You'll have to move to the other thread now. (Or is this still the thread for new owners.) Maybe you should start a NEW thread. ;) Keep the reports coming either way.

Elven (through Panasonic direct) or I should have this new 65 inch set in our homes the first week of October or the next. (I went to my Magnolia dealer today to see what my status was. He told me my set was in the Magnolia warehouse in Denoova ??? (never heard of the town, but he said it's in the San Francisco area. In another post I had erroneously stated it was in Arriba, Colorado.)

Anyway, the stand for the set is on a boat in the Pacific Ocean making its way to California. My salesguy is going to try and find out from his vendor if the pedestal stand from the commerical 65 inch Panny set will fit the new consumer set. (I tried calling Panny direct and other dealers, but couldn't find out anything.)

SuperBuck27 mentioned that he is getting a set from the Colma Magnolia. He doesn't post very often so he may have one already.

I know that dealing with the Magnolias within a Best Buy store has been fruitless for me. They find it in their inventory system, but are unable to special order the item. Maybe when more sets make it off the production line because a large pool of unfilled pre-orders is not going to make for very many happy customers. At the stand-alone Magnolia were I was successful in pre-ordering the set, the salespeople have pre-sold five sets. Now, we're waiting for the sets to be shipped from the main warehouse.

Talking with my salesperson who talks to his vendor who talks to Panasonic, my salesperson says there's lots of "finger-pointing" going on between Panasonic and the vendors. The vendors are blaming Panasonic for not deseminating the proper information about the "optional" stands and speakers and delivery times, etc. of the sets while Panasonic says the vendors have not been forthcoming with the information that Panasonic is giving them. My salesperson said he ends up looking bad to his customers because he can't really give definitive answers on the set. And whatever answers he gives, seem to be changing. For example, I called three on-line vendors today and all three swore that the pedestal stand was included with the set. Even today my salesperson is not 100% convinced that the set doesn't ship with a stand! :eek:

Dinuba is in the Fresno area

Dinuba is in the Fresno area

Thank you! I had no idea how to spell it and I'm geography illiterate. (And my TV ain't so far away from me as I thought. Maybe I'll do a stretchblt road trip tomorrow and pick it up.)

Dinuba is in the Fresno area

Metz, is your first initial T? Do (or did) you work in in Livermore?? If so, we know each other.

My company has an employee purchase program with Panasonic and I just got this back last week. I want to wait and see what price they come up with before I look into the best retailer pricing.

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Thanks for the email. Unfortunately as of right now the employee price on this model has not been determined. We are currently working closely with our product management team to get this info up and posted on the web site. We have had many requests for this information so it's an issue that is being worked on.

I can say that we were told the ETA on getting this model is in late October or early November. So based on that the pricing should be finalized soon.

Please keep an eye on our web site for more updates. If you would like to contact us directly you can at 800-405-0657.

Thanks,

8123 S. Hardy Drive
Tempe, AZ 85284
Tel: 480-446-1498 Bryan Campbell
Fax: 480-889-8440 Operations Manager
bcampbel@direct.us.panasonic.com

My company has an employee purchase program with Panasonic and I just got this back last week. I want to wait and see what price they come up with before I look into the best retailer pricing.

PM sent.

Latest Panasonic distribution news is that there is no distribution till November.
If you got one so far, be happy.
I'm upset.

Nick

Latest Panasonic distribution news is that there is no distribution till November.
If you got one so far, be happy.
I'm upset.

Nick

Reason being?
Shortage?
Or some flaw in the current batch?

The Good: I'll have my set by the end of the week (if I want it. See the next two items.)

The Bad: I need a pedestal stand for it and the commercial stand for the 65 inch set won't work with it.

The Ugly: The only stand that will work with it is sitting on a boat and will not be available in this country for at least two to three more weeks.

This is all according to Panasonic Customer Support and Panasonic Direct Sales. Ahhhhh! Is this anyway to run a company? When is that 60 inch Pioneer 1080p going to be released? Anyone have some metal working skills that can build me a stand? This is getting more and more...f...f...frustrating...

Franchot:

What was the MSRP quoted for the stand? VA wants $795 for the commercial version. Thanks

Franchot:

What was the MSRP quoted for the stand? VA wants $795 for the commercial version. Thanks

I would go for the commercial stand, but everybody I've talked with (at least five vendors) and Panasonic product support and Panasonic sales say it will not work with the TH-65PX600u. (Personally, I think it will, but I'm either optomistic or foolish for thinking so. I mean, are the panel dimensions and case really different between the sets? Both ship without speakers. To me, it seems like only some of the internal parts would be different. And it would be easier to design ONE stand that would fit many different 65 inch models. Still, maybe with the blades on the commercial set there is a difference in the exterior of the panel.)

The MSRP price for the consumer stand is $999.95. (My dealer was told through his vendor that it is $1200, but I think that information is wrong.)

FRanchot,

Great update. Thanks. My Colma Magnolia guy is emailing me daily now. My new delivery date is b/w Oct 10-16....I will try to keep you posted.

SB27


Elven (through Panasonic direct) or I should have this new 65 inch set in our homes the first week of October or the next. (I went to my Magnolia dealer today to see what my status was. He told me my set was in the Magnolia warehouse in Denoova ??? (never heard of the town, but he said it's in the San Francisco area. In another post I had erroneously stated it was in Arriba, Colorado.)

Anyway, the stand for the set is on a boat in the Pacific Ocean making its way to California. My salesguy is going to try and find out from his vendor if the pedestal stand from the commerical 65 inch Panny set will fit the new consumer set. (I tried calling Panny direct and other dealers, but couldn't find out anything.)

SuperBuck27 mentioned that he is getting a set from the Colma Magnolia. He doesn't post very often so he may have one already.

I know that dealing with the Magnolias within a Best Buy store has been fruitless for me. They find it in their inventory system, but are unable to special order the item. Maybe when more sets make it off the production line because a large pool of unfilled pre-orders is not going to make for very many happy customers. At the stand-alone Magnolia were I was successful in pre-ordering the set, the salespeople have pre-sold five sets. Now, we're waiting for the sets to be shipped from the main warehouse.

Talking with my salesperson who talks to his vendor who talks to Panasonic, my salesperson says there's lots of "finger-pointing" going on between Panasonic and the vendors. The vendors are blaming Panasonic for not deseminating the proper information about the "optional" stands and speakers and delivery times, etc. of the sets while Panasonic says the vendors have not been forthcoming with the information that Panasonic is giving them. My salesperson said he ends up looking bad to his customers because he can't really give definitive answers on the set. And whatever answers he gives, seem to be changing. For example, I called three on-line vendors today and all three swore that the pedestal stand was included with the set. Even today my salesperson is not 100% convinced that the set doesn't ship with a stand! :eek:

Thank you, SB27, for posting the information about how to get a set through a Magnolia store. Otherwise, I'd still be banging my head against the wall at Best Buy/Magnolia which shows the set in their system, but doesn't allow a purchase. :confused:

My latest update is this:

My Magnolia dealer now has the pedestal stand in his system and the price is $1199.00! (Two hundred bucks more than what Panasonic direct is claiming the price is.) My salesperson asked his vendor if there was different pricing for Magnolia stores versus Pansonic direct and was told, "No."

I spoke with Panasonic customer service on the phone about availablity of these elusive pedestal stands and the salesperson said they are at least two to three weeks away from entering this country. (Talk about a slow boat from China.)

Finally, I received an e-mail from Panasonic customer service about using the Panny commercial stand in place of the Panny consumer stand. Their response:

"Dear MR. ______

Thank you for your inquiry. We can only recommend using the TY-ST65PV600
stand with this plasma.

Thank You,
Panasonic Consumer Support"

Somewhat ambigious to me. To me it kind of says we can only recommend it because that's the stand that was designed for this set. However, it doesn't say that another stand won't work.

My dealer is doing everything he can to track down where the bolts and insert holes are on the back of the plasma to see if another stand would fit. (Even the 58 inch stand.)

Anybody with the TH-65PX600u! How far apart are the insert holes on the back of your plasma. Thanks! :)

SB27, I know you've had your pre-order in much longer than I, so I'm glad you'll be getting your set soon. I hope you'll post back with opinion on it. (My dealer also stated that the Magnolia stores received 30 sets from the initial shipment of, I guess, 350 sets. Maybe I got lucky and will receive one soon, also.)

Anyone have some metal working skills that can build me a stand? This is getting more and more...f...f...frustrating...

Building a table top type stand would be very easy. It probably would take maybe about 45 minutes to a hour to cut the steel and drill the needed holes, and then about another 10-15 minutes to weld up a stand like that, and then some additional time for painting it and letting it dry. But someone would also need to draw up a set of plans with all the necessary dimensions that are needed to do so. And it could also be done for a lot less money than the high priced Panasonic stand. Most table top stands are really rather simple, and they are made with just some common steel plate and some square steel tubing. The cost of the needed raw steel would probably be somewhere around $25-$50, depending upon where you buy the steel. And it could probably be even less, or at least more towards the $25 range. If enough of the steel plate and square tubing was bought in a larger amounts, to build say maybe somewhere around a dozen stands or so.


If you can get the needed dimensions and a halfway decent drawing made up. Then I'd bet you could go to a place that does wrought iron railings/fences, and have them make you up one for around $200-$300. And maybe less.

Franchot:

I feel your pain dude. While your trying to get a stand, I'm trying to locate an articulating mount. I identified the one I wanted in early spring. Turns out it was the absolute hardest part to get. I know the make and model number, but everyone wanted a few weeks to special order. With the set comming sooner than expected (Friday or Monday) I needed it immediatley. I did find one place that could get it sooner, but man --- I've been planning since March, and never though obtaining the mount would be such a hassal.

Good luck!

Guys, full reports when you get these beasties, OK? Otherwise you are forever banned from AVS! :)

Franchot:

I feel your pain dude. While your trying to get a stand, I'm trying to locate an articulating mount. I identified the one I wanted in early spring. Turns out it was the absolute hardest part to get. I know the make and model number, but everyone wanted a few weeks to special order. With the set comming sooner than expected (Friday or Monday) I needed it immediatley. I did find one place that could get it sooner, but man --- I've been planning since March, and never though obtaining the mount would be such a hassal.

Good luck!

Jack I thought you were getting the commercial unit? Or are you still and it's coming this soon(Friday or Monday)?

Building a table top type stand would be very easy. It probably would take maybe about 45 minutes to a hour to cut the steel and drill the needed holes, and then about another 10-15 minutes to weld up a stand like that, and then some additional time for painting it and letting it dry. But someone would also need to draw up a set of plans with all the necessary dimensions that are needed to do so. And it could also be done for a lot less money than the high priced Panasonic stand. Most table top stands are really rather simple, and they are made with just some common steel plate and some square steel tubing. The cost of the needed raw steel would probably be somewhere around $25-$50, depending upon where you buy the steel. And it could probably be even less, or at least more towards the $25 range. If enough of the steel plate and square tubing was bought in a larger amounts, to build say maybe somewhere around a dozen stands or so.


If you can get the needed dimensions and a halfway decent drawing made up. Then I'd bet you could go to a place that does wrought iron railings/fences, and have them make you up one for around $200-$300. And maybe less.

yup a table stand should be pretty simple. have them black gloss it or powder coat black gloss and good to go.

Guys, full reports when you get these beasties, OK? Otherwise you are forever banned from AVS! :)

You will get a full report about the box my plasma is sitting in for a month while I wait for the pedestal stand.

Actually thanks, Johnla, for the suggestion about having someone build a customized stand. I hadn't thought to go that route, but if the Thanksgiving Day football games roll aound and I'm still watching an unopened box, I'll pursue that direction. Hopefully, someone will post where the insert holes on the back of their new plasma are and I can proceed forward. (Hopefully, the few new owners are busy enjoying their new sets and aren't ignoring me. ;) )

AssJack,
I'm looking at mounting with an articulating arm as well. I have found four, listed below. Is the one you want listed below? Have you seen it in person? Does it have channels for cables? Which cables are you running? Sorry for all the questions, just that we're getting so close.


Superior TV Mount - heavy duty (http://www.superiortvmount.com/)
Peerless - PDR™ Dual Arm Wall Mount (http://www.peerlessindustries.com/dyn/Products/BrowseProduct.aspx/productID/149316/manufacturerProductId/163172/u/F)
Sanus - VMDD-26 (http://www.sanus.com/cgi-bin/web_store.cgi?page=products/wallmount/visionmount/VMDD26.html&cart_id=5254184_25898)
Chief - PDR (http://www.chiefmfg.com/store/detail/?product_id=80867)

From the Crutchfield website:

"Panasonic TH-65PX600U
65" 1080p high-definition plasma TV
Item #13365PX600

Expected: 11/16/2006"

ugh!!!!

And I am trying to track down a simple flat wall mount.

From the Crutchfield website:

"Panasonic TH-65PX600U
65" 1080p high-definition plasma TV
Item #13365PX600

Expected: 11/16/2006"

ugh!!!!

Not surprising since Pansonic Direct now has a ship date of 11/02/06. (It was 11/01/06 last night.) I guess these plasmas are selling pretty well despite what I would call a rather heavy price for a TV.

Try calling Premier Mounts, www.mounts.com they will work with you on finding a stand or modifying one they make to work with the new 65" Panasonic.

Jamie
Invision Displays.

The Good: I'll have my set by the end of the week (if I want it. See the next two items.)

The Bad: I need a pedestal stand for it and the commercial stand for the 65 inch set won't work with it.

The Ugly: The only stand that will work with it is sitting on a boat and will not be available in this country for at least two to three more weeks.

This is all according to Panasonic Customer Support and Panasonic Direct Sales. Ahhhhh! Is this anyway to run a company? When is that 60 inch Pioneer 1080p going to be released? Anyone have some metal working skills that can build me a stand? This is getting more and more...f...f...frustrating...

Try calling Premier Mounts, www.mounts.com they will work with you on finding a stand or modifying one they make to work with the new 65" Panasonic.

Jamie
Invision Displays.

Thanks! That could be the answer.

(Jeeze Louise. I thought only the people without the table stand were ones having troubles, but even people wall mounting the set are running into difficulties. This is f'ed up. If Panasonic had included a stand with the panels, the people waiting for wall mounts could use it until their product arrived. If only Panasonic weren't the only 65 inch 1080p plasma in town...

I wonder how Stretchblt is doing with his new plasma which is sitting on the floor propped up against his fireplace. I haven't seen any new postings since he got the set. I hope it didn't fall over and... :eek: .)

Wonder how much the stand is for the 103 in this picture?

http://twice.com/article/CA6377490.html?nid=2402

Thanks! That could be the answer.

(Jeeze Louise. I thought only the people without the table stand were ones having troubles, but even people wall mounting the set are running into difficulties. This is f'ed up. If Panasonic had included a stand with the panels, the people waiting for wall mounts could use it until their product arrived. If only Panasonic weren't the only 65 inch 1080p plasma in town...

I wonder how Stretchblt is doing with his new plasma which is sitting on the floor propped up against his fireplace. I haven't seen any new postings since he got the set. I hope it didn't fall over and... :eek: .)

The Sanus VMPL3 flat wall mount will work for this too.

I live near Toronto Canada and today I was able to actually view the 65" 1080p panasonic in a local store and to make a long story short:

1 - PQ was outstanding for such a large display (even up close)- just awesome
2- the display itself looks a little cheap (plastic looking bezel) compared to other manufacturers like pioneer and samsung, hitachi (this is very subjective however)
3 - the price was considerably lower than what I expected

I live near Toronto Canada and today I was able to actually view the 65" 1080p panasonic in a local store and to make a long story short:

2- the display itself looks a little cheap (plastic looking bezel) compared to other manufacturers like pioneer and samsung, hitachi (this is very subjective however)


I wonder why Panasonic is stuck with the cheap look. I wonder when they will change that. hope this is not some superstition for them.

Ack!

Just got back from my local Magnolia and asked if I could get the 65" puppy before Thanksgiving.

Said I could get one right now -- they have 6 in their warehouse (but will not be showing it.)

And then I saw this big bright panel across the room. Turned out to be the 65" Sharp LCD. It is priced the same (!!!) as the Panny plasma. I thought it was 15k or so.

So now I am conflicted. I like the complete lack of burn-in and the (presumably) lower reflections of the LCD but the Sharp has silver all the way around and looks ugly to me. Also, even though the contrast ratio was specified at 4000 to 1 (close to the Panny), I could clearly see a bluish cast to the blacks. I could only compare to the 58 inch panny and that had much better blacks.

Ack.

If you look at the sharp D62 thread, Westa mentioned that there was going to be a huge price drop on that and the 57 inch models on 10/01/06.

In the last couple of pages of that thread the new Msrp's are posted, they have dropped dramatically.

I thought the 65" Sharp would not take any sort of a 1080P input?

Tweeter in Mission Viejo has 13 in stock. A salesman named Adolph said he can't display them ebcause they are too big. I tried to convince him to, then he pointed out they ahve a 30 no questions return policy. I am tempted...

I am curious. How low was the price? Is this in Canadian or US $$$?

I live near Toronto Canada and today I was able to actually view the 65" 1080p panasonic in a local store and to make a long story short:

1 - PQ was outstanding for such a large display (even up close)- just awesome
2- the display itself looks a little cheap (plastic looking bezel) compared to other manufacturers like pioneer and samsung, hitachi (this is very subjective however)
3 - the price was considerably lower than what I expected

I live near Toronto Canada and today I was able to actually view the 65" 1080p panasonic in a local store and to make a long story short:

1 - PQ was outstanding for such a large display (even up close)- just awesome
2- the display itself looks a little cheap (plastic looking bezel) compared to other manufacturers like pioneer and samsung, hitachi (this is very subjective however)
3 - the price was considerably lower than what I expected

Cool xrox. Can you tell me which store had the Panny 65? Was it Bay Bloor (I've seen it there) or a different store?

Thanks.

I live near Toronto Canada and today I was able to actually view the 65" 1080p panasonic in a local store and to make a long story short:

1 - PQ was outstanding for such a large display (even up close)- just awesome
2- the display itself looks a little cheap (plastic looking bezel) compared to other manufacturers like pioneer and samsung, hitachi (this is very subjective however)
3 - the price was considerably lower than what I expected

xrox, do you happen to know what source it was playing and what setting the display was in?

Folks,

I have seen the Sharp 65 inch. It is very nice, but still an LCD. Perhaps it is just me, but the 65 inch PLASMA PQ simply blows away the LCD. I just bought 2 Samsung 1080p 45 inch sets. They are lovely at high res, but flat out terrible with any material short of perfect HD.

I would go with the new 1080p plasmas coming RSN....

This is just one person's opinion, but I have really shopped the market, have purchased a pair of 1080p LCD sets and am in the process of getting a TH-65PX600u whic I saw in Las Vegas earlier this year (feels like 10 years ago now...). No contest. Again, IMHO.

SB27

I thought the 65" Sharp would not take any sort of a 1080P input?

Ack!

Just got back from my local Magnolia and asked if I could get the 65" puppy before Thanksgiving.

Said I could get one right now -- they have 6 in their warehouse (but will not be showing it.)

And then I saw this big bright panel across the room. Turned out to be the 65" Sharp LCD. It is priced the same (!!!) as the Panny plasma. I thought it was 15k or so.

So now I am conflicted. I like the complete lack of burn-in and the (presumably) lower reflections of the LCD but the Sharp has silver all the way around and looks ugly to me. Also, even though the contrast ratio was specified at 4000 to 1 (close to the Panny), I could clearly see a bluish cast to the blacks. I could only compare to the 58 inch panny and that had much better blacks.

Ack.

Larry, that it in a nutshell. With the Sharp you'll get the typical LCD blacks (or lack thereof) and with the Panny you'll get the typical very nice blacks. Depends on how important that is to you.

Tweeter in Mission Viejo has 13 in stock. A salesman named Adolph said he can't display them ebcause they are too big. I tried to convince him to, then he pointed out they ahve a 30 no questions return policy. I am tempted...
:eek: Maybe they dont have a stand for it :eek:

Cool xrox. Can you tell me which store had the Panny 65? Was it Bay Bloor (I've seen it there) or a different store?

Thanks.

Rich,

It was Trutone electronics on Dundas St E
http://www.trutone.ca/html/locations.html

Cheers

Awesome xrox. I was just about to drop over to Trutone yesterday to see if they had it, and aborted mission (bad weather). Hopefully they have it set up in the more light controlled location. I'll see it tomorrow.

Thanks!

xrox, do you happen to know what source it was playing and what setting the display was in?

Sorry, forgot to look. I will check that when I'm back there tomorrow. They had the XBR3's there as well and even though I don't like LCDs I was wowed by them as well (they were fed HD-DVD)

P.S.- I got this uneasy feeling when I was there that my recent purchase of a pioneer 5070 was a mistake as within a couple years 1080p may be so ubiquitous as to place 768p displays into the budget category like the current ED displays are. In fact now that I write this I feel that this is almost a certainty (crap! :))

Cheers

Sorry, forgot to look. I will check that when I'm back there tomorrow. They had the XBR3's there as well and even though I don't like LCDs I was wowed by them as well (they were fed HD-DVD)

P.S.- I got this uneasy feeling when I was there that my recent purchase of a pioneer 5070 was a mistake as within a couple years 1080p may be so ubiquitous as to place 768p displays into the budget category like the current ED displays are. In fact now that I write this I feel that this is almost a certainty (crap! :))

Cheers


Depending on your viewing distance, it might not matter.

It's promising that the 65PX600 is at Trutone, because I know they sell HD-DVD players.
Last time I was there I was able to view HD-DVD on a number of displays, incuding panasonic plasmas, DLPs etc. So hopefully I'll be able to see the new Panny with HD-DVD...finally.

within a couple years 1080p may be so ubiquitous as to place 768p displays into the budget category like the current ED displays are. In fact now that I write this I feel that this is almost a certainty
IMHO the 50" size does benefit from the extra resolution (1920x1080), and the 50" 768'ers will fade into oblivion.

Meanwhile, ED sets will live on longer, because they are the best at displaying SD, which is a valuable feature in itself.

And as for the 42" size, I believe the current 1024x768 resolution yields a very pleasing (perhaps optimal) picture on the 42" panels, and so the 42 inchers might never switch to 1920x1080, for the same reason the 42 inchers have never switched to 1365x768, namely, the current 1024x768 is already optimal for 42 inches.

So, if you buy a 42" panel today, it may very well be future-proof, in the sense that its 1024x768 will not be superceded (at the 42" size). However if you buy a 50" 768 panel, I think we all know it will be bettered by a 50" 1920x1080 panel in the coming year(s).

So I think the 42"ers have already reached a kind of perfection for their size, while the 50" and above sizes are still benefitting from the increases in resolution (pixel density), and that trend is sure to continue.

savvy?

IMHO the 50" size does benefit from the extra resolution (1920x1080), and the 50" 768'ers will fade into oblivion.

Completely agree, although it will take a long time for that to happen (> 5 years).

Meanwhile, ED sets will live on longer...

And as for the 42" size... 42 inchers might never switch to 1920x1080...

But I have to disagree here.

I think that the issue becomes clearer if we leave off the technical details with respect to resolution, viewing distance, pixel density, etc. Instead, if we simply look at the trend in LCD displays, we see that 1080p resolution is available all the way down to 37" size. It is for this reason that plasma manufacturers will be forced to increase the resolution on the smaller panels as well. Indeed Fujitsu/Hitachi already ship a 1024x1080 42" ALiS panel and are reported to have a 1920x1080 panel in the works. Its just a matter of time until Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, and Samsung follow suit.

Its just a matter of time until Panasonic, Pioneer, LG, and Samsung follow suit.

Of course Panasonic already does have 1920 x 1080p sets available....at least in Japan and "soon" to the USA! ;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700904

Of course Panasonic already does have 1920 x 1080p sets available....at least in Japan and "soon" to the USA! ;)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=700904

Absolutely. But I was specifically addressing the 42" size with my comment.

I thought the 65" Sharp would not take any sort of a 1080P input?

Apparently so.

That, in and of itself, is a deal breaker.

I'll be buying the plasma soon.

I've created an owners thread since I will very soon be one and we have a few owners already:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=732584

Franchot,

Delivery date now confirmed for this Sunday, October 8, 2006. Finally....

What does everyone want to know? I have already seen the display in Vegas and it is a knockout.

Now a question for the group. Which BluRay player to purchase? Stick with Pany? Go elsewhere? It will be routed via a Denon 2807 (HDMI switching). Should I get a scalre for SD signal? I am a DirecTV HD Tivo guy (now). What would you guys suggest in terms of Series 3 vs. the new DirecTV box? Thanks in advance....review to follow.

SB

I would go for the commercial stand, but everybody I've talked with (at least five vendors) and Panasonic product support and Panasonic sales say it will not work with the TH-65PX600u. (Personally, I think it will, but I'm either optomistic or foolish for thinking so. I mean, are the panel dimensions and case really different between the sets? Both ship without speakers. To me, it seems like only some of the internal parts would be different. And it would be easier to design ONE stand that would fit many different 65 inch models. Still, maybe with the blades on the commercial set there is a difference in the exterior of the panel.)

The MSRP price for the consumer stand is $999.95. (My dealer was told through his vendor that it is $1200, but I think that information is wrong.)

Now a question for the group. Which BluRay player to purchase? Stick with Pany? Go elsewhere? It will be routed via a Denon 2807 (HDMI switching). Should I get a scalre for SD signal? I am a DirecTV HD Tivo guy (now). What would you guys suggest in terms of Series 3 vs. the new DirecTV box? Thanks in advance....review to follow.SB


Good questions that are on my mind also. Panny is just releasing their BD player, so it might be a possibility...check the thread over in that forum. The whole BD issue is not settled for me as the PQ has been less than stellar compared to HD-DVD. So, I'm waiting for that piece of the puzzle to clear up until I buy the set. I also need a new recevier, and one that will allow HDMI connections from the hidef DVD and a sat dish. Local cable is way behind with locals being analog but just added 7 hidef channels, so I think I will become a sat/OTA person for awhile.

Probably the first of the year to get it all at once...whew! :D
I thought the TiVo series 3 would not work with sat dishes?

Franchot,

Delivery date now confirmed for this Sunday, October 8, 2006. Finally....

What does everyone want to know? I have already seen the display in Vegas and it is a knockout.

Now a question for the group. Which BluRay player to purchase? Stick with Pany? Go elsewhere? It will be routed via a Denon 2807 (HDMI switching). Should I get a scalre for SD signal? I am a DirecTV HD Tivo guy (now). What would you guys suggest in terms of Series 3 vs. the new DirecTV box? Thanks in advance....review to follow.

SB

I'll beat you by one day. My delivery date is Saturday. :) (And will be returned the same day if it doesn't fit on the commecial stand. In which case I'll have a reason to switch over to the commercial 65 inch set which is just now being released.)

As far as BluRay players go, I'd wait until the Panny and the Sony both were released and then check out the users' reviews on this forum. The Samsung player turned out to be pretty bad, and until I read or see something pretty positive about the Panny and Sony players I won't be convinced that a BluRay player is something worth investing in at the moment. (The Pioneer machine is still off in the future.) I have an HD DVD player which gets me a pretty good selection of HD movies, so I'm in no rush for BluRay just yet.)

Of course, if you're overly anxious to test the BluRay waters with the Panasonic player, jump right in and let us know what you think. (But make sure you have a good return policy just in case ;) .)

No screenshots yet? Anywhere?

Franchot,

That is outstanding. Enjoy the set. Do to some cabinet installation delays, I may not get mine installed for 2+ weeks -- so your review is highly desired and anticipated. It sounds like you are much more of an expert than yours truly.

Let us know how it goes.

SB

I'll beat you by one day. My delivery date is Saturday. :) (And will be returned the same day if it doesn't fit on the commecial stand. In which case I'll have a reason to switch over to the commercial 65 inch set which is just now being released.)

As far as BluRay players go, I'd wait until the Panny and the Sony both were released and then check out the users' reviews on this forum. The Samsung player turned out to be pretty bad, and until I read or see something pretty positive about the Panny and Sony players I won't be convinced that a BluRay player is something worth investing in at the moment. (The Pioneer machine is still off in the future.) I have an HD DVD player which gets me a pretty good selection of HD movies, so I'm in no rush for BluRay just yet.)

Of course, if you're overly anxious to test the BluRay waters with the Panasonic player, jump right in and let us know what you think. (But make sure you have a good return policy just in case ;) .)

Hello, BWClark.

You are correct about Series 3 and Satellite dishes. The Tivo ~ DirecTV divorce is going to be painful for many of us. I frankly have no clue which way to go. Until DirecTV loses the NFL out of market exclusive, they frankly hold me hostage. What is their set top box look like? I know very little. I am not necessarily wedded to Tivo, but have sure enjoyed their UI. Let me know your thoughts on this.

I agree that a wait and see on the Blu Ray is the likely plan. Kinda like buying a Betamax right before the VHS war settles. "Now is not the time, Kato!" comes to mind.

I would welcome other's thoughts/input here. I realize it is off topic to this forum, but we all want to leverage the ROI out of this massive investment in plasma HD technology, right?

:)

SB



Good questions that are on my mind also. Panny is just releasing their BD player, so it might be a possibility...check the thread over in that forum. The whole BD issue is not settled for me as the PQ has been less than stellar compared to HD-DVD. So, I'm waiting for that piece of the puzzle to clear up until I buy the set. I also need a new recevier, and one that will allow HDMI connections from the hidef DVD and a sat dish. Local cable is way behind with locals being analog but just added 7 hidef channels, so I think I will become a sat/OTA person for awhile.

Probably the first of the year to get it all at once...whew! :D
I thought the TiVo series 3 would not work with sat dishes?

Live in California. My TH-65PX600U was delivered yesterday, October 5th. Ordered it from Tweeters. Unfortunately, I have to wait for the installation to
take place next Thursday. Will be using the Sanus wall mount, with slight tilt. So for now, I get to look at the box and look forward to opening it next week.

Franchot,

That is outstanding. Enjoy the set. Do to some cabinet installation delays, I may not get mine installed for 2+ weeks -- so your review is highly desired and anticipated. It sounds like you are much more of an expert than yours truly.

Let us know how it goes.

SB

I'm hardly an expert and your expertise probably equals or surpasses what I know. I just hang around these forums and try to absorb what I can from the REAL experts: Rogo, Rich H., Rich B., assJack1, D-Nice, modeshi, RandyWalters...and on and on. I'll post my observations and answer what questions I can.

Delivery date now confirmed for this Sunday, October 8, 2006. Finally....

What does everyone want to know?

Since you are asking :)

I am dying to see one of these new displays showing a PC or MacOSX desktop at 1920x1080. With the "no overscan mode" of course. :) Some 1080p movies trailers from Apple or Microsoft would be great too.

I will try to set it up to do both. I have a high end Core Duo box running XP Pro and a Mac Mini. I will hook up both and try to circulate some screen shots. Ditto for the 1080p material.

What else?

:-)

SB


Since you are asking :)

I am dying to see one of these new displays showing a PC or MacOSX desktop at 1920x1080. With the "no overscan mode" of course. :) Some 1080p movies trailers from Apple or Microsoft would be great too.

Delivery date now confirmed for this Sunday, October 8, 2006. Finally....

What does everyone want to know? I have already seen the display in Vegas and it is a knockout.



Details on the picture, details on the picture!!! :)

Panny is just releasing their BD player, so it might be a possibility...check the thread over in that forum.

I saw it reviewed somewhere (can't recall where) and the reviewer was surprised by what was essentially the same picture quality as the Samsung. He was hoping for much better but it didn't happen. To this day I'm still floored by the amazingly poor start of BR. I'll be staying out of the BR world until they get their act together. In the meantime HD DVDs are fabulous!

I just came back from an AV store and saw the Panasonic 58" and was scared by the bad picture quality. It was unwatchable. It looked great on the Pioneer 50" 1080p unit. But on the Panasonic, there were lots of jaggies, noise and mosquito grain all over it. The salesman said they have been awful this series. Is this 1080p unit a whole new series? If not, I won't even consider it. I have a Hitachi 55" director's series that is jaw-dropping when properly fed by Dish HD via HDMI. I sold my house with the plasma and want bigger and 1080p. How come it looked so bad and will this be better?

Totally different panels adidali. See the 65" and then decide.

I just came back from an AV store and saw the Panasonic 58" and was scared by the bad picture quality. It was unwatchable. It looked great on the Pioneer 50" 1080p unit. But on the Panasonic, there were lots of jaggies, noise and mosquito grain all over it. The salesman said they have been awful this series. Is this 1080p unit a whole new series? If not, I won't even consider it. I have a Hitachi 55" director's series that is jaw-dropping when properly fed by Dish HD via HDMI. I sold my house with the plasma and want bigger and 1080p. How come it looked so bad and will this be better?

The 60u and 600u are some of the best plasmas on the market. It was in vivid mode and wasn't calibrated. Also comparing a 58" 720p set and a 50" 1080p set isn't exactly a fair comparison.

But could the vivid mode and lack of calibration account for all that noise? If it is a new panel, that is a moot topic.
For the people that have seen this 65" 1080p Panasonic, is it as good as the Hitachi 55" Director's series and Pioneer Elites? I am stunned by the picture quality of my 55" Hitachi Director's series, but sold it with my house. Any thoughts?

But could the vivid mode and lack of calibration account for all that noise?

Yes. Definitely. The "vivid" mode of the latest Panasonics is absolutely terrible, one of the worst I've seen in terms of factory-set "eye-catching" picture settings. It displays terrible artifacts - clay-face, lack of detail, crushed whites/blacks, and tons of picture noise. Pretty much all of that is ameliorated by switching out of vivid to decent picture settings.

For the people that have seen this 65" 1080p Panasonic, is it as good as the Hitachi 55" Director's series and Pioneer Elites? I am stunned by the picture quality of my 55" Hitachi Director's series, but sold it with my house. Any thoughts?

I think that at 65" the Panasonic provides a whole different viewing experience than the 55" Hitachi (which I've seen many times). The Hitachi is super sharp, very bright and has rich color. However, it's black levels aren't near the current Panasonic displays. (I just viewed that Hitachi plasma right next to Panasonic plasmas in dim lights, recently).

From what I've seen the 65" 1080p Panasonic plasma is gorgeous both with broadcast HD and SD DVD. I haven't seen it with HD-DVD, which should be even better. It's not even close concerning which I'd choose between the Hitachi and the Panasonic (the Panasonic). But, people have different criteria so obviously it's something you'll have to see for yourself.

Great feedback Rich. Thank you. I am going to wait to have a look at it. i am between this and the SXRD 70 XBR2. Will have to see before I pounce.

Since you are asking :)

I am dying to see one of these new displays showing a PC or MacOSX desktop at 1920x1080. With the "no overscan mode" of course. :) Some 1080p movies trailers from Apple or Microsoft would be great too.

I've posted pictures in the owners thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=732584).

Franchot,
Since you have the commercial stand for the 65"er could you verify the size of the bolts used to secure the stand to the back of the set?

Here is a link to a adapter plate for the Panny PDP 65PHD7UY. It says M8 x 15mm socket pin screws. Uses a 4mm allen wrench. Looks like six are used.

http://www.peerlessindustries.com/pcattachments/INSTR%20SHEET-201-9352-1-1.PDF

Any info. you have is appreciated as I will need to get six screws for the plate I will make for mine to suspend it in the air above my cabinet.

Thanks,
Bob

I've been periodically checking up on the status of this beast, and reading the last couple pages stumbled on the confirmation that the stand and speakers are not included with the consumer version...

Other than some extra tweaking options in the commercial version, the internal tuner, and bezel color (which thankfully is now at least mostly black) I thought speakers and the stand were the primary differences between the two. So if those are now gone, what is the real difference between the 65" 9UK model and the 600U version??

I've been periodically checking up on the status of this beast, and reading the last couple pages stumbled on the confirmation that the stand and speakers are not included with the consumer version...

Other than some extra tweaking options in the commercial version, the internal tuner, and bezel color (which thankfully is now at least mostly black) I thought speakers and the stand were the primary differences between the two. So if those are now gone, what is the real difference between the 65" 9UK model and the 600U version??


I asked the question here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=682757&page=17&pp=30

What do you guys think of the 103" version? Affordable?

What do you guys think of the 103" version? Affordable?

Depends on who you are. For me $70K is NOT affordable.
It weighs over 400lbs and uses about 1500 watts.

However, Mark Cuban was upset that he did not get one of the fist ones shipped. So to him, it was affordable :D

Is there any word of a release date on the 58" or 50" 1080P models? MSRP prices also if available. Thanks

Depends on who you are. For me $70K is NOT affordable.
It weighs over 400lbs and uses about 1500 watts.

However, Mark Cuban was upset that he did not get one of the fist ones shipped.

That's 'cos Bill Gates got two. They really should limit the first run of these sets to one per household. I mean, give everybody a chance to own one.

hi:

plz forgive me if these questions were answered/discussed I just can't go thru 58 pages of this thread.

On the TH-65PX600U are the HDMI inputs v. 1.3? and did anyone come up with a difference between the PX and PZ? Thanks..

No. No.

So far Panasonic has only released the 65PX600U via large retail chains only.
The distribution to custom installers has not happened yet.
Anybody knows when Panasonic will treat all retail stores equally ?
They must be very short on pieces, or the shipping on their banana boat is slow.
Right now the R70XBR2 and the R60XBR2 from Sony are eating into the Panasonic
sales because of no availability of the Panasonic plasma.
I think Panasonic needs a pound of brain for Christmas.

Nick

Hi,

Any of the owners had the chance to integrate this set with AMX?


thanks for the reply

Panasonic, or any other major manufacturer, will ever treat all retailers the same...

Just a simple fact that the "Tier 1" chains will always be shipped at about two weeks early. Then everyone else gets their product. If the models are constrained (as all the Panny plasma's have been at launch) it only makes it worse as they'll typically continue to ship product to the Tier 1 stores until they don't want anymore.

Panasonic knows they're losing sales and market share because they have been short on product. The big problem is that these companies are "factory based" and not "sales based". this means that once a month, Panasonic U.S. gets a call with the quantities they're getting in the upcoming month. If they say they need more, too bad, that's all the factory made. They'll increase production eventually but they can never flip a switch to make more of a specific model overnight. Its very easy to fault these companies for doing business this way, but they've been in business a very long time, have some of the most known brandnames, and are extremely profitable.

Hope this is useful info somehow...

Thanks much

So far Panasonic has only released the 65PX600U via large retail chains only.
The distribution to custom installers has not happened yet.
Anybody knows when Panasonic will treat all retail stores equally ?
They must be very short on pieces, or the shipping on their banana boat is slow.
Right now the R70XBR2 and the R60XBR2 from Sony are eating into the Panasonic
sales because of no availability of the Panasonic plasma.
I think Panasonic needs a pound of brain for Christmas.

Nick

I think that at 65" the Panasonic provides a whole different viewing experience than the 55" Hitachi (which I've seen many times). The Hitachi is super sharp, very bright and has rich color. However, it's black levels aren't near the current Panasonic displays. (I just viewed that Hitachi plasma right next to Panasonic plasmas in dim lights, recently).

From what I've seen the 65" 1080p Panasonic plasma is gorgeous both with broadcast HD and SD DVD. I haven't seen it with HD-DVD, which should be even better. It's not even close concerning which I'd choose between the Hitachi and the Panasonic (the Panasonic). But, people have different criteria so obviously it's something you'll have to see for yourself.
Provided the Panny has a stand to place it on and speakers doesn't the Panny 65" cost out at double the Hitachi Director model, as a two for one comparison? Of course 10 inches will be more immersive much as it is comparing a 60" SXRD versus the 70" the 70" pretty much dwarfs the 60" when seen together.

I would guess you'd have many more bites on the Panny had they not chosen to Ala Carte the Consumer Panel. If money is no objective I guess we can throw a Fujitsu next Gen into the mix or next Pio 60" 1080P. :)

Depends on who you are. For me $70K is NOT affordable.

Ohh cmon!!! being richB im sure you could finance it :D

Talk about a window to reality, 473lbs and sports 16bit processing. Too cool.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13798647/

So far Panasonic has only released the 65PX600U via large retail chains only.
The distribution to custom installers has not happened yet.
Anybody knows when Panasonic will treat all retail stores equally ?
They must be very short on pieces, or the shipping on their banana boat is slow.
Right now the R70XBR2 and the R60XBR2 from Sony are eating into the Panasonic
sales because of no availability of the Panasonic plasma.
I think Panasonic needs a pound of brain for Christmas.

Nick

Panasonic is huge into supplying CNN, FOX , CBS, every affiliate this side of Mars with commercial panels thats their bread and butter. I'm quite sure they are all made in the same building.
They are making a killing on commercial models. Another lb of brain might have them making even more commercial models. :p
Thats what hurts the consumer models , production of commercial. Most other panel makers aren't as into commercial models. Take notice of the panels name next time you see one on say a news broadcast 9 out of 10 are panny.

so they aren't to concerned with Sony.....

This thread has gone very quiet as of late :( so anyone with more pluses or minus on the 65PX600U? I'm very interested in getting a 55-65 inch plasma with 1080p. Is this the one I should go with or wait for price drop or wait for other Panasonic plasma's to be released early 2007???

This thread has gone very quiet as of late :( so anyone with more pluses or minus on the 65PX600U? I'm very interested in getting a 55-65 inch plasma with 1080p. Is this the one I should go with or wait for price drop or wait for other Panasonic plasma's to be released early 2007???
I have had my 65PX600U for about a week now. I could not be happier. Picture quality is fantastic. Biggest limitation is my sources. When I tune hidef 1080i source it looks like film quality. Tivo'd Bourne Identity in hidef over the weekend and it was quite a treat to watch on the big screen. Only downside: it is heavy; mounting it on the wall was a pain in the backside.
Also, the connections are impossible to reach once it is mounted so if you want to change any connection have to take it off the wall. If you do a pedestal mount this is of course not an issue. I am not using the cablecard slot; only HDMI and component inputs. Combine a Tivo S3 with this and you have a killer combo.

I have had my 65PX600U for about a week now. I could not be happier. Picture quality is fantastic. Biggest limitation is my sources. When I tune hidef 1080i source it looks like film quality. Tivo'd Bourne Identity in hidef over the weekend and it was quite a treat to watch on the big screen. Only downside: it is heavy; mounting it on the wall was a pain in the backside.
Also, the connections are impossible to reach once it is mounted so if you want to change any connection have to take it off the wall. If you do a pedestal mount this is of course not an issue. I am not using the cablecard slot; only HDMI and component inputs. Combine a Tivo S3 with this and you have a killer combo.

Thanks that helps a lot!! I do already have two TiVo S3 units and love them. I'm still upset that Panasonic doesn't include the stand and speakers with this unit. Can you point me to where you got yours and if you saw the best place to get the stand? I wont wall mount this one like I did my Sony Plasma, rather place on a pedestal stand. I just wonder since this Plasma was so late to the US if they will be deploying newer versions soon or less expensive 1080p models early next year that will bring down the price of this one. I hate being an early adopter to find I'm behind technology soon after I buy.

This thread has gone very quiet as of late :( so anyone with more pluses or minus on the 65PX600U? I'm very interested in getting a 55-65 inch plasma with 1080p. Is this the one I should go with or wait for price drop or wait for other Panasonic plasma's to be released early 2007???

The reason it has gone quiet is that there are now two owners' threads, one for the commercial version of this panel and one for the consumer version.

The reason it has gone quiet is that there are now two owners' threads, one for the commercial version of this panel and one for the consumer version.

What is the link to the other threads??

read/search and ye shall find

What is the link to the other threads??

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=732584

and

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=569102

Thanks that helps a lot!! I do already have two TiVo S3 units and love them. I'm still upset that Panasonic doesn't include the stand and speakers with this unit. Can you point me to where you got yours and if you saw the best place to get the stand? I wont wall mount this one like I did my Sony Plasma, rather place on a pedestal stand. I just wonder since this Plasma was so late to the US if they will be deploying newer versions soon or less expensive 1080p models early next year that will bring down the price of this one. I hate being an early adopter to find I'm behind technology soon after I buy.

I did not use a stand; rather, I mounted it on a wall. And I used my own speakers not
the expensive but not so hot panasonic ones.

Does anyone know if this bad boy accepts 1080p24?

Does anyone know if this bad boy accepts 1080p24?

It does not.

Does anyone know if this bad boy accepts 1080p24?

The commercial units will take 1080p24 over VGA, not sure about the consumer. I'm also not sure if it then just pulls that up to 1080p60 internally.

Tweeter in Mission Viejo has 13 in stock. A salesman named Adolph said he can't display them ebcause they are too big. I tried to convince him to, then he pointed out they ahve a 30 no questions return policy. I am tempted...
I work at the Magonlia A/V store in Woodland Hills and we just put up the set yesterday for demo.

And then I saw this big bright panel across the room. Turned out to be the 65" Sharp LCD. It is priced the same (!!!) as the Panny plasma. I thought it was 15k or so.

So now I am conflicted. I like the complete lack of burn-in and the (presumably) lower reflections of the LCD but the Sharp has silver all the way around and looks ugly to me. Also, even though the contrast ratio was specified at 4000 to 1 (close to the Panny), I could clearly see a bluish cast to the blacks. I could only compare to the 58 inch panny and that had much better blacks.
58" panny is not even a close comparison to the new 65"
I think the LCD sharp is below average looking and I would recomend getting the Pro-1140 (not 1080p I know) or of course the new 65" panny.
We haven't been able to make the sharp look good in our store. It always has pixelation issues, blacks are greyish, and there isn't much depth of field.

I just came back from an AV store and saw the Panasonic 58" and was scared by the bad picture quality. It was unwatchable. It looked great on the Pioneer 50" 1080p unit. But on the Panasonic, there were lots of jaggies, noise and mosquito grain all over it. The salesman said they have been awful this series. Is this 1080p unit a whole new series? If not, I won't even consider it. I have a Hitachi 55" director's series that is jaw-dropping when properly fed by Dish HD via HDMI. I sold my house with the plasma and want bigger and 1080p. How come it looked so bad and will this be better?

It isn't even a night and day difference, more like a summer daytime vs winter night time difference between thet sets.

It isn't even a night and day difference, more like a summer daytime vs winter night time difference between thet sets.[/QUOTE]

Wow, that's a bit harsh! I think if you read all the postings for the 58inch, you will find that they are overwhelmingly positive, not to say you can't have a few bad sets in the mix. Well I'm not an authority but just a person that did months of research, and even considered the 65, but finally bought a 58PX600U about a month ago and have absolutely no buyer's remorse. Like so many other 58 owners, I am continually impressed with the PQ, even though it's not 1080P. Before the purchase, I was initially obsessed that SDE may be an issue, but this has not been an issue at all from even the closest seat. I am even shocked how good SD looks while using a cable card and I see hardly any of the undesirable artifacts previously mentioned. Even though it's 1st generation 1080P, I'm sure the 65 inch plasma is a great set (and I would hope so at twice the cost) but I think the 58 inch is a truly fantastic set (with decent sounding speakers & good looking pedestal that even come standard). IMO, the 58PX600U is definately NOT some flawed design as implied by the past few postings. Just one opinion, but I couldn't be happier with the 58 and would buy it again with no hesitation!

Aright - I'm getting confused and scared, there are so many TVs its friggen crazy.

I've been trying to find a decent 55-65" flat screen TV that displays 1080p, so far I've seen the Samsung 57" lcd LN-S5797D, Panasonics consumer/profesional 65" 65PX600U & TH-65PF9UK, also the pioneer elite 50" but thats only 50"...is there any more plasma/lcd 1080p tvs that are coming out in the next month or so that I should pay attention to? Also out of these tvs, I've heard I might have troubles with the 65" panasonic SDTV??...SDTV is kind of important...any views would be appreciated thanks..!

also thought I heard something about external tuners producing better images? any thoughts? thanks

This may be in another thread but I saw Panny's new 65" 1080p model at BEst Buy tonight. Looked pretty sweet, and only $10K!

I have a friend that just got a TH-65PZ750U and I'm looking for some general settings Contrast, Brightness, etc. Also if you could email me that would be great jdvanatta@hotmail.com. I'm sure this stuff is here in this thread but it's so long. Thanks again.