Snazio SZ-1350 Net DVD Cinema HD network player [Text View] - Page 3

Dolfo

11-11-05, 09:08 AM

Just a humble request - can't any kind soul owning one of these machines burn a DivXtest v2 test CD and fill out the v2 form for the Snazio player? :)

EDIT... som anti-link system here... ;) oh well, it's weeweeweedivxtestcommercial

After reading your request, I downloaded the 700MB ISO (all servers were a little slow so this took a while) and burned it to a CD-R. I spent about an hour going through the form (I didn't realize it would take so long) and only got about 3/4 of the way through it. I had something else to do and there is no way to save your progress on the form and come back later to finish it so it was all for naught :( If I get a couple of hours this weekend where I have nothing else to do, maybe I'll give it another shot.

SeeMoreDigital

11-11-05, 11:47 AM

Just a humble request - can't any kind soul owning one of these machines burn a DivXtest v2 test CD and fill out the v2 form for the Snazio player? :)

EDIT... som anti-link system here... ;) oh well, it's weeweeweedivxtestcommercialI wonder why the creator of this test disc insists on calling it an "DivX Test CD", when it contains more than just "DivX" samples?

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5783/divxtestdisc5ki.png

Cheers

Dolfo

11-11-05, 12:03 PM

a LOT more

T2k

11-11-05, 02:18 PM

After reading your request, I downloaded the 700MB ISO (all servers were a little slow so this took a while) and burned it to a CD-R. I spent about an hour going through the form (I didn't realize it would take so long) and only got about 3/4 of the way through it. I had something else to do and there is no way to save your progress on the form and come back later to finish it so it was all for naught :( If I get a couple of hours this weekend where I have nothing else to do, maybe I'll give it another shot.

YEah, I was clever and checked it first... ;) then realized it'd take hours on a Sunday afternoon, so I looked around and found these printable docs on the disc, Dolfo:

-Manual_en.pdf kinda long, 32 pages but descriptive and you can pencil in your results

-Results_sheet_en.pdf only 6 pages, apparently created exactly for your purpose, tho' no descriptions

Dolfo

11-11-05, 02:35 PM

Hmmm... I guess I should have looked around a little, huh. Oops ;) I might just use one of those forms.

latreche34

11-11-05, 06:35 PM

I wonder why the unit is too large and deep, they could use 2/3 of it's total size by managing the spaces between the parts. Check picture:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/latreche34/detail?.dir=/afb0&.dnm=962c.jpg

MorganB

11-12-05, 05:44 PM

Yesterday I submitted the post below concerning over-scan and the general positioning of the same image via the AVLP2's different output modes.

Can any of you SnaZio owners pass on your comments about this issue please!

SeeMoreDigital, I was going to give this a try but when I attempt to download the files I get "server stopped responding". I also tried to download some HDTV test content from your website but the links return a "page not found" error. I tried the earlier pal and ntsc test for BTB and WTW files but they wont scale properly when I set the player to 480p or 480i. The player forces the image into a 4:3 aspect by cutting off the edges.

SeeMoreDigital

11-12-05, 05:58 PM

SeeMoreDigital, I was going to give this a try but when I attempt to download the files I get "server stopped responding". I also tried to download some HDTV test content from your website but the links return a "page not found" error. I tried the earlier pal and ntsc test for BTB and WTW files but they wont scale properly when I set the player to 480p or 480i. The player forces the image into a 4:3 aspect by cutting off the edges.Sorry about that....

I changed the IP address of the PC these files are stored on.... It should be working now ;)

Cheers

MorganB

11-12-05, 06:05 PM

Sorry about that....

I changed the IP address of the PC these files are stored on.... It should be working now ;)

Cheers

Thanks for the quick reply! Downloaded. Will give it a try.

MorganB

11-12-05, 06:22 PM

Well i cant get the files to fill the screen properly so I am just going to stick with what I have already tried which is the BTB WTW screens. I had to use the zoom button to scale the files properly.

Below is the main menu via Component 720p. The menus are centered.

http://homepage.mac.com/morgan68/.Pictures/SnazioOverscan/ComponentMenu720p.jpg

Below is the main menu via DVI 720p. See how the menu is moved over to the right. The grey margin on the right side of the screen is much narrower.

http://homepage.mac.com/morgan68/.Pictures/SnazioOverscan/DVImenu720p.jpg

This image is via Component and you can see that even though there is some overscan it is even around the entire screen.

http://homepage.mac.com/morgan68/.Pictures/SnazioOverscan/ComponentScreenTest720p.jpg

This is DVI. Here you can see that the left side has almost no overscan but top and bottom do and all the right side is completely off the screen.

http://homepage.mac.com/morgan68/.Pictures/SnazioOverscan/DVIScreentest720p.jpg

Clarence

11-12-05, 06:37 PM

I got mine today from the AVS Power Buy (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6452357&&#post6452357) (I don't know if the link will only work for AVS Club members).

So far, so good. A few snags, but I haven't really read the setup guide yet. I've got it connected via wireless/WEP, but it's not fast enough to stream HD .ts files, so now I'm trying to connect it directly to my HTPC as a snazzi server via wired ethernet, in addition to my wireless server.

Plays back .ts fine from DVD-R.

And upscaling DVD works fine after using the remote codes.

I haven't tested WTW/BTB yet.

I'm using DVI 1280x1024. Hopefully they'll add 1080p.

Ron Tobin

11-13-05, 10:32 AM

cooldude919

11-13-05, 08:50 PM

Wondering if anyone, who purchased this Snazio network player, also owns the Linkplayer2? Since I believe they are both using the same chip, are there any head to head comparisons of one unit over the other?

I own the Linkplayer2, am pretty happy with it, however I had to change the loader (from EPO to Liteon) and did the filter mod. Curious if the Snazio, out of the box, is essentially the same as the Linkplayer2, when used as a network player. Also interested in comments on both the software and the firmware.

If the moderator feels this should be in a separate thread, please move it.

I would also like to know this. I am wanting to get one of these units very bad, but im unsure what one to go with. My main goal is to play .ts files well. The snazio is $100 more, and has wireless and dvi, where as the avel does not. I hear something about lower quality on the componets on the avel, is this true? I would be happy with the avel and spending $100 less if it serves my purpose, but if i need to spend more to get it done right that is ok.

Also the new Iodata JVC HD player is out, and is around $380 or so, anyone have any ideas on how that will be? Following a few threads on here myself to try to find out.

T2k

11-14-05, 11:07 AM

SeeMoreDigital

11-14-05, 11:30 AM

AFAIK the JVC one is nothing but essentially a rebadged I-O Data LP2, thus it's inferior to Snazio in terms of features; no wireless, no DVI and IIRC (from DV Expo East, end of July) it has only stereo analog audio outputs (multiple ones though).According to the preliminary spec sheet the JVC does have a DVI output.... but everything else you mentioned seems to be the case!

No way would I consider it ;)

cooldude919

11-14-05, 11:51 AM

so pretty much comparing the snazio vs lp2, your paying around $80-$100 more for wireless and DVI, and besides that they are about the same?

SeeMoreDigital

11-14-05, 01:18 PM

so pretty much comparing the snazio vs lp2, your paying around $80-$100 more for wireless and DVI, and besides that they are about the same?Plus.... the SnaZio offers 6Ch analogue outputs and a scart output too!

Ron Tobin

11-14-05, 01:24 PM

I'll ask my original question again.

Has anyone done a head to head comparison of the Snazio against the Linkplayer2, particularly with respect to its firmware and software? I'm most interested in its performance as a network player.

SeeMoreDigital

11-14-05, 01:45 PM

The designs of the players circuit boards are quie different, as the SnaZio uses the latest Sigma reference board.

There will be very little difference in the players middle-ware because they both run Syabas software :eek:

Cheers

cooldude919

11-14-05, 01:59 PM

does the snazio upconvert normal dvds over the component?

T2k

11-14-05, 05:14 PM

does the snazio upconvert normal dvds over the component?

All of them does, that's not an issue. The big issue is whether it upconverts over DVI? And the answer is - fortunately - yes, it does.
That's why we bought this player.

cooldude919

11-14-05, 06:37 PM

All of them does, that's not an issue. The big issue is whether it upconverts over DVI? And the answer is - fortunately - yes, it does.
That's why we bought this player.
Have you played and High def files on it? I guess im leaning towards the snazio since its only about $75 or so more and has the extra features.

robneal81

11-14-05, 07:43 PM

Hey guys, I don't want to insult anyone, but I just got my Snazio and it is awful! I installed the media server, got the newest firmware updates, entered the region-free and 1080i-through-DVI hack. The lag time on the remote is unbearable. The 10 seconds it takes to scroll through the pages in the media server is worse. My Xbox BLOWS this thing away in every single category execpt WMV9...but that seems to be a fair trade cause the snazio doesn't play WMV8. I even did a DVD comparison and watching a movie in 1080i through the Xbox looks 10 times better than the Snazio. Unles you guys tell me I'm doing something wrong, I'm returning this thing tomorrow.

T2k

11-14-05, 09:40 PM

Have you played and High def files on it? I guess im leaning towards the snazio since its only about $75 or so more and has the extra features.

Yes, I did, extensively. Even 25Mbit HDV is playing fine - though I'm using the wired network.

T2k

11-14-05, 09:47 PM

Hey guys, I don't want to insult anyone, but I just got my Snazio and it is awful! I installed the media server, got the newest firmware updates, entered the region-free and 1080i-through-DVI hack. The lag time on the remote is unbearable.

Read back first next time - it's been reported they are working on this.

The 10 seconds it takes to scroll through the pages in the media server is worse.

WHich one you're using/ We've posted at least 3-4 different one, I think...

My Xbox BLOWS this thing away in every single category execpt WMV9...but that seems to be a fair trade cause the snazio doesn't play WMV8.

Since when Xbox capable to play Divx, DivxHD, MPEG2 TS, Xvid, 3ivx?
Since when Xbox has wireless connection by default?
Xbox is a game console with some limited mmedia functions, that's it. It's not even close to the features of this player.

I even did a DVD comparison and watching a movie in 1080i through the Xbox looks 10 times better than the Snazio. Unles you guys tell me I'm doing something wrong, I'm returning this thing tomorrow.

You're really doing something wrong - Xbox, as it is, does not upconverts DVDs.

robneal81

11-14-05, 10:14 PM

T2k,

I'm not good at quoting, so I'll reply line by line...

"Read back first next time - it's been reported they are working on this."
...I believe you were talking about wmv8. I tried everything, both streaming and on a cd and it didn't work.

"WHich one you're using/ We've posted at least 3-4 different one, I think..."
I'm using the server that came with the dvd player. Are you sure that changing the software would make a difference? The DVD player itself only loads one page at a time. Could you please point me to a better server?

...about the Xbox...I have a modded xbox running "xbox media center". If you've never used one, I SERIOUSLY suggest you find one to play with. It does everything the snazio can do and then some! The only limitation (a hardware limitation) is that it can't play wmv9. DivxHD works most of the time. If you'd like more info, email me. I'd be gald to help you set one up.

Thanks for your reply.

cooldude919

11-14-05, 10:47 PM

well i went with the iodata, i hope it works ok! The snazio was going to be over $100 more.

Bud-man

11-15-05, 09:13 AM

robneal81

11-15-05, 09:56 AM

I am interested in this player, but i have a HTPC i built from a shuttle case, so would this really be necessary?
It has a good sized hard drive and a dvd burner and i'm networked to my pc and router, so i'm thinking...WHY?

The reason people would want a snazio is to not have to go through the trouble of building, networking and configuring a HTPC, not to mention it costs more. The only thing I would suggest is using Windows Media Center Edition with a video card that was designed to output a true HD signal. MCE has a video configuration utility that makes sure it looks great on most HDTV's. Although I have built MANY HTPC's, I tried to save money by buying the snazio. It isn't a bad device, but it isn't better than an HTPC (provided the HTPC was built correctly). Also, when blu-ray is released, all you'll have to do is switch the optical drive and you've now got a true HD DVD player without spening hundreds. As much as I don't like using MS products, MCE is a great choice considering what's available now.

Bud-man

11-15-05, 10:04 AM

masken

11-15-05, 10:47 AM

@Dolfo, thanks ALOT for trying :) Most definetly hope you'll have a go at it again, with the papers this time ;)

@SMD, guess it's not good for testing long-time playback, but it gives a REALLY good indication of a players capabilities I think, and from what I know it's more or less the only comprehensive, pre-compiled and easy to use test-method available, with a reporting form where anyone could just click desired functionality and get a list of players that handle the desired content.

robneal81

11-15-05, 11:15 AM

Thanks for the response, problem is now i have a panny pm50u plasma and it doesnt have a pc input, i used hdmi but now the screen is way too overscanned and half the taskbar is hidden, i am using mce 2005 but i dont see any adjustments in the windows enviroment that will fix this, possibly in mediacenter there is.

MCE has an overscan correction adjustment buried in the setup. Are you using MCE 2005? If so, get the latest updates and run the display setup utility. Also, your video card's software might have some display adjusments that could fix the overscan.

Bud-man

11-15-05, 12:41 PM

Yes i'm using MCE2005, i'll check into it after work, thanks rob

T2k

11-15-05, 12:58 PM

T2k,

I'm not good at quoting, so I'll reply line by line...

"Read back first next time - it's been reported they are working on this."
...I believe you were talking about wmv8. I tried everything, both streaming and on a cd and it didn't work.

Sorry, my fault - I'm talking about the laggish wireless RC performance.

"WHich one you're using/ We've posted at least 3-4 different one, I think..."
I'm using the server that came with the dvd player. Are you sure that changing the software would make a difference? The DVD player itself only loads one page at a time. Could you please point me to a better server?

The guys have listed a few here earlier... I'm using Snazio's own stuff. It's fine. It's not great - nothing is great for me, as a costumer I love to bitch ;) - and I agree the player is a bit slow when it's changing pages but it's not unbereable at all.

...about the Xbox...I have a modded xbox running "xbox media center".

Well, I thought so but I really hoped you're not trying to compare a hacked, no-warranty unit to a default, right out-of-the-box unit, 'cause it's really meaningless...

If you've never used one, I SERIOUSLY suggest you find one to play with. It does everything the snazio can do and then some!

No, it doesn't, I just listed few things and I can still go on. :p

The only limitation (a hardware limitation) is that it can't play wmv9. DivxHD works most of the time.

C'mon... :)
Xbox is seriously underpowered to play anything in HD. Your DivxHD is most likely some lower quality stuff. :)
It cannot play back a nice quality 720p Xvid, only if its framerate has been halved to 30fps and all the nice quality stuff has been disabled. - and that's not real HDTV anymore. Divx and Xvid is pretty much the same, so your DivxHD claim is a bit exaggerated at best... ;) And let's not get into those high bitrate MPEG2 transport streams.... :cool:
FYI: playing a nicely encoded 720p Rome episode in Xvid takes up over 30% of my 3500+ AMD64-based primary office machine (XP x64), a 25Mbit 1080i MPEG2 MP@HL (aka HDV) takes up over 50% when played in VLC, over 60% when played in MPC.
Compare this to that 7xxMhz Pentium III...

Heck, even XBMC's FAQ admits that there's no way to watch real HD on Xbox; http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/info_faq.htm#hdtv

If you'd like more info, email me. I'd be gald to help you set one up.

Thanks for your reply.

Well, thank you very much for the help, I appreciate it but I'll stick with Snazio - it is a *real* HD player. :cool: :p

T2k

11-15-05, 01:00 PM

The reason people would want a snazio is to not have to go through the trouble of building, networking and configuring a HTPC, not to mention it costs more. The only thing I would suggest is using Windows Media Center Edition with a video card that was designed to output a true HD signal. MCE has a video configuration utility that makes sure it looks great on most HDTV's. Although I have built MANY HTPC's, I tried to save money by buying the snazio. It isn't a bad device, but it isn't better than an HTPC (provided the HTPC was built correctly). Also, when blu-ray is released, all you'll have to do is switch the optical drive and you've now got a true HD DVD player without spening hundreds. As much as I don't like using MS products, MCE is a great choice considering what's available now.

You forgot that even the smallest HTPC takes up more space (much higher) than Snazio, let alone the fact that Snazio is completely noiseless - in fact it's so quite it's in my bedroom currently and my noise-sensitive wife haven't complained yet. :cool:

k-y

11-15-05, 01:23 PM

Will the lack of HDMI hurt the Snazio HT experience much when connecting to an HDMI LCD HDTV?

I've been hunting around for the convergent media player to end all media players and while the Snazio seems like it has all the features I need, I'd rather not have to use a DVI-HDMI adapter to connect to my Sony 32" LCD TV (non XBR).

Will I notice a difference as opposed to a native HDMI output? Should I wait for an HDMI version of the Snazio or similar?

I'm using the DVP642 at the moment over component to tie me over while I look for something worth spending ~$300 on.

Kirby Baker

11-15-05, 03:01 PM

Anyone know if the Snazio (current or future) or LP or any other device of this type, will support h264/x264 files anytime soon (within a year)? Or am I stuck using a HTPC for those files?

T2k

11-15-05, 03:58 PM

cooldude919

11-15-05, 04:00 PM

i thought hdmi was just like an encripted dvi with audio included?

robneal81

11-15-05, 04:19 PM

In responce to the last few posts:

DVI and HDMI carry the exact same video signal, the encryption is up to the providor (cable company, DVD player). HDMI 2.0 can carry 2-channel audio, but you can still use an adapter to change it to DVI (with no audio).

The noise and size of an HTPC depends on the case and cooling. You can get cases the side of large DVD players and use a Pentium M fanless chip. I built something like that for my father using an ATI all-in-one card and it works fine. It does get hot, but never hot enough to do any damage.

A hacked, no warranty Xbox costs $100. Snazio costs almost $400. For most DIY people it's definately the better choice.

You were right about the DIVIX HD, it was a lower-quality HD file. So, one again, unless someone tells me otherwise, the ONE advantage of the Snazio is the ability to play HD video files. That makes it the PERFECT chioce for someone who just wants a good DVD player that can also play high-def video files. Not for geeks like me that want something that does everything.

Also, I wasn't being condesending about the help with the Xbox statement. I simply ment if you are curious on how to MOD one, I could email all the info I found, rather then spend hours researching it online. Your responce sounded a bit sarcastic.

Finally, I still can't find any other media servers that can be used with this player. Can someone please point me to where I can get them?

SeeMoreDigital

11-15-05, 04:28 PM

i thought hdmi was just like an encripted dvi with audio included?Both HDMI and DVI can be used to pass encrypted and unencrypted video signals.... Essentially the signals are the same (this is the reason why you can use an DVI-to-HDMI or an HDMI-to-DVI adaptor) and both can carry HDCP.

Cheers

T2k

11-15-05, 04:28 PM

Also, I wasn't being condesending about the help with the Xbox statement. I simply ment if you are curious on how to MOD one, I could email all the info I found, rather then spend hours researching it online. Your responce sounded a bit sarcastic.

I apologize - that certainly wasn't my intention. As I always try to help anybody, I am willing to accept it as well. :)

T2k

11-15-05, 04:30 PM

Both HDMI and DVI can be used to pass encrypted and unencrypted video signals.... Essentially the signals are the same (this is the reason why you can use an DVI-to-HDMI or an HDMI-to-DVI adaptor) and both can carry HDCP.

Cheers

Yeah, that's correct. :cool: I always confuse on these goddamn' acronyms and their roles... :o :mad:

konfucius

11-16-05, 03:58 AM

I got mine 1350 yesterday and I must say so far i'm pretty satisfied, there are some bugs in this player, but it's the best I tried so far.

I output 1024x768 60Hz from DVI (with DVI-I to VGA adapter) to my pj, the pq is not as good as from my htpc (with filtering) but it's not bad. I was afraid i'd get stuttering when playing PAL dvd's in DVI1024x768 60Hz, but that works very good.

When I output 1280x1024 to my Sony CRT monitor the picture gets better, so I think this player got potential.

The remote works fine for me, I use it up to 4 m from the player, some times the player reacts a bit slow though.

I did try some WMV HD trailers in 720p, and 1080p and it works fine, both from dvd's and over the lan, I think only analog sound i working with these movies. Also DRM protected trailers work if I use Media Connect 2.0.

I did try 5th Element WMV HD 720p, but that did not work, picture and sound stutters terrible, both over lan and from dvd, but it works perfectly on my PC. Thats the only full length HD movie I tried so far.

kuseman

11-16-05, 06:02 AM

Is there someone here who's got the source for the Linux application to the Snazio NET Cinema DVD 1350?
Could you please make a PM to me if you got it.

A/Vspec

11-16-05, 10:43 AM

Is Media Connect 2.0 release or beta version?

Also were can I find all the WMVHD real movies that are out? I have T2 WMVHD (yet to get to play on the Snazio) and a few of the (what I call non real movies), Step Into Liquid and Coral Reef, also have not gotten to work yet.

Has anyone managed to get 5.1 out of these 5.1 disc or downloaded clips from the analog outputs?

GabrielC

11-16-05, 12:20 PM

Hello,

I've been testing my Snazio 1350 for a couple of weeks now. It was not an easy task. Overall I am very pleased . My configuration is stated below and I think it would be very usefull if all of us would do this. We could help each other much faster and a lot of useless questions would be avoided. Not to mention that, if Snazio is reading this thread, they would have a much better feedback.

Firmware 10-09-050920-01-VNE-257-000. Component 1080i to a Sony CRT HD TV. Mac platform. Twonkyvision 2.9.1 from NSLU2 with unslung 5.5. Wired network to a WGT 624 router. Manual IP. DHCP on.

Briefly, I tried playing .ts (EyeTV 500, 19 Mb/s) from dvd, wired and wireless. Only wireless has problems sustaining the bitrate.
Dvd's works well on all connections, so 8Mb/s is ok for my wireless.
DivX and DivXHD well on all connections
WMVHD well on all connections but having only optical hooked-up I have no sound.
Internet portal is fast enough.
Some MPEG 4 from Nero (non AVC) play as well, maybe a bit choppy (not very smooth).
Picture quality is very good. Dvd upconversion is not as good as LG 7832 (Faroudja).

I would need some advice and info about internet TV. What streaming protocols the box accepts. How could I connect to a TV station webcasting both Real and WM?

Thank you all for the valuable info posted,
Gabriel

babis

11-16-05, 02:14 PM

Hello iam a new member,last week i receive the snazio net cinema 1350 and i would like to ask if someone knows how to activate the analog out 5,1 because in the main menu it has only raw and pcm.from the analog output i get only front r and fron left channel.

konfucius

11-16-05, 03:46 PM

I need help to get HD movies to play well on this machine, all the WMV HD trailers I tried plays perfectly, both 720p and 1080i on both dvd and network, but none of the movies plays well, I have tried:

The Fifth Element 16x9 720p WM9 HD-DVD
1280x720, 35214kbps
Stutters, picture and sound. Unwatchable.

T2 WMV HD
1440x816, 6835kbps
Stutters, picture and sound. Unwatchable.

the.day.after.tomorrow.1080i.dd5.1 .ts
Stutters in the beginning, then from time to time.

Firmware 10-09-050920-01-VNE-257-000. DVI 1024x768 to PJ NEC LT150z. Win XP platform. Net Cinema 2.1 and Windows Media Connect 2.0. Wireless/Wired network to a D-link DGL-4300 router. DHCP on.

cooldude919

11-16-05, 10:14 PM

mrcysco

11-17-05, 12:10 AM

Well, just got my new cinema HD player and the thing is broken! When I turn on the player, the white light that eluminates the right side of the player just blinks and the dvd drive just clicks. The remote does nothing and the tray won't even open. I am so frustrated! Has anyone experienced anything like this? any thoughts? I really do not want to go through the hassle of sending this thing all the way back to Snazio. If I have to do that, I'll probably just tell them to keep their player and refund my money. Sorry, just had to vent and was hoping someone might know the key to making this thing work.

-=cysco

konfucius

11-17-05, 02:18 AM

You are streaming over the ethernet and not the wireless correct?

Well, I get the same result on all three medias: DVD, ethernet and wireless.

If it where on wireless, then I would understand, but at least from DVD it should work?

What is i bit strange is that with 'T2 WMV HD 1440x816, 6835kbps' I get different results everytime, sometimes it starts ok and stutters after a couple of minutes, sometimes it stutters from the start.

And all WMV HD trailers works fine, both from DVD, ethernet and wireless.

Standard DVD's work fine.

masken

11-17-05, 05:43 AM

Noone who feels like putting up the DivXtest v2 report? :(

SeeMoreDigital

11-17-05, 06:00 AM

I was thinking about it for the Zensonic Z500... but it's too much like hard work. As the disc contains far more than just "DivX Files" :eek:

On a quick note..... Needless to say playback of files in the OGM or MKV container (yet) along with any of the MPEG-4/AVC samples is not possible in hardware, as Sigma's EM8620L chip-set does not support such features.

Cheers

konfucius

11-17-05, 07:57 AM

Where can I find information on what kind of files that can be played on the 1350, with maximum resolution and bitrate?

Is there also HD tests on the DivXtest v2?

sneals2000

11-17-05, 08:03 AM

Both HDMI and DVI can be used to pass encrypted and unencrypted video signals.... Essentially the signals are the same (this is the reason why you can use an DVI-to-HDMI or an HDMI-to-DVI adaptor) and both can carry HDCP.

Cheers

Yep - though worth adding that HDMI can carry digital audio, DVI is video only.

SeeMoreDigital

11-17-05, 09:38 AM

Where can I find information on what kind of files that can be played on the 1350, with maximum resolution and bitrate?A good place to start is to head over to Sigma's web site and find the specification for the EM8620L chip-set.

Is there also HD tests on the DivXtest v2?Yes!

Cheers

Axel Olmos

11-17-05, 12:46 PM

The Sigma 8620 Networked DVD player development kit, notice the board:
http://www.sigmadesigns.com/pdf_docs/DVD-8620LNET_brochure.pdf

Website with a picture of the inside of a SZ-1350, scroll down, notice the board:
http://homepage.mac.com/morgan68/Snazio_SZ1350/PhotoAlbum32.html

The Sigma 8622 board:
http://www.sigmadesigns.com/pdf_docs/Promedia8622L_br.pdf

It sure seems like there could be an easy upgrade path to an 8622 (h.264).
It would be nice if that came with 1080P...

T2k

11-17-05, 12:49 PM

The Fifth Element 16x9 720p WM9 HD-DVD
1280x720, 35214kbps
Stutters, picture and sound. Unwatchable.

Well, it's 35Mbit/s, of course it won't be playable. That is one helluva useless encoding, whoever made it, it's useless - encode WMVHD over 10Mbit is quite unnecessary unless you're using 1080p+7.1 for a native 1080p display.

T2k

11-17-05, 12:51 PM

SeeMoreDigital

11-17-05, 01:15 PM

Well, it's 35Mbit/s, of course it won't be playable. That is one helluva useless encoding, whoever made it, it's useless - encode WMVHD over 10Mbit is quite unnecessary unless you're using 1080p+7.1 for a native 1080p display.Wow I missed that post....

35Mbps.... that's an incredible level of overkill for a high compression/performance codec - even for WMV9 :D

Does the 1280x720 frame include the mattes? This means if its a 2.35:1 movie, there's only around 1280x544 image pixels to encode. I can easily shove well over two hours at this resolution onto a single sided single layered disc in MPEG-4 SP.... and still make it look good :eek:

T2k

11-17-05, 01:55 PM

Wow I missed that post....

35Mbps.... that's an incredible level of overkill for a high compression/performance codec - even for WMV9 :D

Does the 1280x720 frame include the mattes? This means if its a 2.35:1 movie, there's only around 1280x544 image pixels to encode. I can easily shove well over two hours at this resolution onto a single sided single layered disc in MPEG-4 SP.... and still make it look good :eek:

Yep... :)

FYI: I store Rome in 720p and 3 episodes (each is a bit under 1.5GB) :cool: fit into one single layered, cheap DVDR disc in great quality.

konfucius

11-17-05, 02:39 PM

Well, it's 35Mbit/s, of course it won't be playable. That is one helluva useless encoding, whoever made it, it's useless - encode WMVHD over 10Mbit is quite unnecessary unless you're using 1080p+7.1 for a native 1080p display.

Yes I suspected that, but the 'T2 WMV HD 1440x816, 6835kbps' should'nt that be playable?

Or this one: 'Total recall WMV 1280x962, 8500kbps'?

masken

11-17-05, 03:43 PM

@SMD, it's not that time consuming :) I just printed the PDF from the CD and sat myself down and tested the Philips DVP5900. Took about 2 hours :)

bannerke

11-17-05, 04:23 PM

Hi

I bought the Snazio SZ1350 and I am having problems to get this player to work with my philips surround set.
Previously I had a kiss dp-1000 and I used a coax audio cable to connect that player to the philips amplifier and everything worked perfectly.
I tried the same thing with this snazio sz1350 player but I am getting no sound whatsoever. I tried changing the raw format to pcm but that did't work either.
I am getting "no valid signal" on my amplifier.
What am I doing wrong? I am trying to connect with a coax audio cable from the Digital out of the Snazio to the digital in of my philips surround set. I switch the amplifier to DI (Digital Input) but it's getting no signal.
In the user guide of the snazio, it says to put the audio setting to 5.1 surround but how can I do that? I am only getting the options raw and pcm. Nothing else!

I hope someone can help me with this issue!

Dolfo

11-17-05, 04:55 PM

SeeMoreDigital

11-17-05, 05:03 PM

Sorry - I use the optical audio out and the 6ch audio outs. I haven't even tried the digital coax out.If you can pass AC3 audio signals via the "optical" output, the SnZio should be able to pass the same signals via the "coaxial/electrical" output at the same time too!

Cheers

latreche34

11-18-05, 03:03 AM

SeeMoreDigital

11-18-05, 04:49 AM

Does the Promedia 8622L board sold separately in the US, because it has HDMI output which is perfect for my TV.The board shown in the "Promedia" picture appears to be the same reference design board as I have in the Zensonic Z500 (albeit with an EM8620L chip-set).

Cheers

latreche34

11-18-05, 06:44 PM

The board shown in the "Promedia" picture appears to be the same reference design board as I have in the Zensonic Z500 (albeit with an EM8620L chip-set).

Cheers

How comes Z500 has the latest board and SZ1350 has the old one, but Z500 doesn't play HD TS files while SZ1350 does. I'm I wrong?

Spizz

11-18-05, 09:56 PM

but Z500 doesn't play HD TS files

The Z500 does play HD .ts files.

T2k

11-18-05, 09:57 PM

How comes Z500 has the latest board and SZ1350 has the old one, but Z500 doesn't play HD TS files while SZ1350 does. I'm I wrong?

1. I doubt Z500 doesn't play TS.

2. Z500 is still not available yet (SMD is a beta tester for Zensonic) - unlike Snazio, which is available since mid-Summer IIRC. That's abig difference.

takis321

11-19-05, 12:10 AM

I have been doing a lot of searching the last few days but I haven't found a consistent comparison of this player and Avel linkplayer2, which many avsforum users seem to own.

Can anyone point me to such a comparison or have knowledge of both players to summarize the pros and cons of each. I would really like to buy one of them soon.

Also, I know avel needs software to run on your pc, is it also the case for snazio or can it read a filesystem by itself (from a nas drive for example).

T2k

11-19-05, 01:05 AM

takis321

11-19-05, 01:35 AM

are you sure? :) for example what does it do that avel can't do?

SeeMoreDigital

11-19-05, 05:03 AM

How comes Z500 has the latest board and SZ1350 has the old one, but Z500 doesn't play HD TS files while SZ1350 does. I'm I wrong?Yes you are wrong!

The Zensonic Z500 can play high-def MPEG-2 (MPEG-1 and MPEG-4) .TS files just fine thanks :)

Cheers

konfucius

11-19-05, 09:51 AM

I did the THX contrast/brightness test on a dvd yesterday, the black levels are terrible on this player, I could only see three levels of black and I could not see the THX logo in the background at all, no matter how much I tried different settings on my pj.

From my HTPC I can see seven levels of black.

Is there any settings in the player that helps this up?

SeeMoreDigital

11-19-05, 10:39 AM

Hi konfucius,

Which output connection did you use?

Rob79

11-19-05, 10:43 AM

Are you using the S-video connection? Component you should be able to see at least 7 bars and the THX logo and they are working on a fix for the DVI. I hope this has helped >;)

SeeMoreDigital

11-19-05, 10:58 AM

The THX tests are a bit lame.... Why not give mine a go?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6141724&&#post6141724

Cheers

konfucius

11-19-05, 11:30 AM

Hi konfucius,

Which output connection did you use?

I output DVI 1024x768 through a DVI - VGA adapter. (buying new LCD TV soon).

Will the new firmware fix this issue, is this the BtB and WtW issue that I'we been reading about?

Rob79

11-19-05, 11:33 AM

Yes the new frimware will fix your issues with the THX test. And yes this is the BTB, and WTW issue you ahve been reading about. Like seemore said though, the THX test is not a great test. But his are really nice and very accurate. Hope this has helped >;)

bannerke

11-19-05, 02:14 PM

Sorry - I use the optical audio out and the 6ch audio outs. I haven't even tried the digital coax out.

And what audio settings are u using for the optical out?
Just on Raw format?

Cause I am not getting any audio whatsoever...

T2k

11-19-05, 02:17 PM

are you sure? :) for example what does it do that avel can't do?

Wireless?
DVI?
Upconversion over DVI?
6-ch discrete analog audio output?

T2k

11-19-05, 02:21 PM

I am going to move within a week time or so, thus I want to do it now - what's the latest firmware currently? Is that the one with the fix for BTB/WTW issue? And does it break the region and/or upconversion codes?

takis321

11-20-05, 09:57 PM

Wireless?
DVI?
Upconversion over DVI?
6-ch discrete analog audio output?

Wireless is not that useful because you can plug it straight in the router, dvi is good but 100$ more? why would you prefer discrete audio rather than a digital output?

How about their ui, which is more user friendly? Is it easy to browse through mp3 files from snazio? Does it support playlists and cue files?

Does it need special software running on the pc?

Does it play both pal and ntsc? I suppose there is a crack for css and regions?

I appreciate your help, thank you.

SeeMoreDigital

11-21-05, 04:13 AM

Wireless is not that useful because you can plug it straight in the router, dvi is good but 100$ more? why would you prefer discrete audio rather than a digital output?

How about their ui, which is more user friendly? Is it easy to browse through mp3 files from snazio? Does it support playlists and cue files?

Does it need special software running on the pc?

Does it play both pal and ntsc? I suppose there is a crack for css and regions?Most, if not all your questions have been answered in this thread before!

Why not give it read?

Cheers

konfucius

11-21-05, 05:35 AM

Has anyone heard any timeframe when the new firmware will be ready? The one that fixes the btb/wtw issue, is what I'm talking about...

Dolfo

11-21-05, 09:59 AM

Wireless is not that useful because you can plug it straight in the router, dvi is good but 100$ more? why would you prefer discrete audio rather than a digital output?

WMA Pro (the audio codec for most WMV-HD video) can only be decoded by a small number of A/V Receivers. Having the discrete audio outputs allows the ability to get surround sound with WMV-HD video without buying a new receiver.

How about their ui, which is more user friendly? Is it easy to browse through mp3 files from snazio? Does it support playlists and cue files?

The UI for both is almost identical and based off a template from Syabas. If you want something different, you should wait for the Zensonic because they are the only ones so far who are taking the time to develop their own interface without depending on the Syabas template.

Does it need special software running on the pc?

You need some server software. Most NAS devices have this server software built into the network interface. Again, this is the same for Snazio and LP2 (and Zensonic for that matter I believe).

Does it play both pal and ntsc?

Yes.

I suppose there is a crack for css and regions?

Yes.

I appreciate your help, thank you.

You're welcome.

T2k

11-21-05, 02:38 PM

Wireless is not that useful because you can plug it straight in the router,

Ummm, what? Since when the two are redundant? :)

When your HT/living room is on the other side of your 5,000 sq feet house or you have a dedicated HT building, wiring is not an easy option...
Wiring to another room is never a nice option if you have a wireless option by default, let alone that most of the routers are 4-port device and having 4 devices connected is not an extreme case in many houses.
Wireless is a big advantage for many-many customers.

dvi is good but 100$ more?

Yes, exactly. DVI is unencrypted, full-quality digital, no DRM/anything whatsoever.

why would you prefer discrete audio rather than a digital output?

Because otherwise you won't have audio whatsoever from movies with WMA Pro 5.1 or higher channel sound which is an upcoming choice for WMVHD movies.

How about their ui, which is more user friendly? Is it easy to browse through mp3 files from snazio? Does it support playlists and cue files?

Good question, I haven't tried yet but since it supports streaming over internet (online radio playlists), I'd think so.

Does it need special software running on the pc?

Not necessarily. It works with standard WMC of Windows as well but Snazio's

Does it play both pal and ntsc?

Yes.

I suppose there is a crack for css and regions?

Yes.

I appreciate your help, thank you.

I hope it hels, YVW. :cool:

T2k

11-21-05, 02:39 PM

Dolfo

11-21-05, 04:01 PM

T2K - the next firmware update will "officially" introduce the BTB/WTW fix. The latest release as of now is the one from a few weeks ago.

So far, none of the firmware updates have broken the Region or Upconversion codes, though they all seem to reset the Region and Upconversion status to default (you have to use the codes to set appropriately - at least I have had to).

abstravel

11-21-05, 04:49 PM

Does the Snazio SZ-1350 have 152, 128, or 64 bit encryption?

On another subject.....

I read on the Zensonic z500 company site that the Z-500 does support MPEG-4
Video Formats Supported
MPEG-1, MPEG-2 MP@HL, MPEG-4
ASP@L5 (720p), WMV9 MP@ML (720p)
XviD
Nero Digital™
QuickTime with MPEG4 encoding. .MP4 extension

Yet, on that same company site's FAQ, they state...
No.... The EM8620L does not have sufficient architecture to be upgraded to support MPEG-4/AVC (aka: H264).

I am suppossed to be confused, or what? :eek:

SeeMoreDigital

11-21-05, 04:53 PM

What do you find confusing about what Zensonic have written abstravel?

Dolfo

11-21-05, 04:58 PM

I think the confusion comes from the fact that not all MPEG4 falls under the H.264 classification.

SeeMoreDigital

11-21-05, 05:07 PM

I think the confusion comes from the fact that not all MPEG4 falls under the H.264 classification.I was kinda hoping that abstravel would be able to work out what the differences are between MPEG-4 SP and ASP (aka: ISO 14496 Part 2) and MPEG-4 AVC (aka: ISO 14496 Part 10, aka: H.264), himself :)

Dolfo

11-21-05, 05:15 PM

In all fairness, it can be somewhat confusing if you aren't in the industry and haven't read much about the specifics.

A/Vspec

11-21-05, 07:45 PM

What is the status on when the 5.1 analog outputs will actually work for WMVHD content?

Everyone is still gettin down-mixed stereo from them right?

cooldude919

11-21-05, 08:00 PM

well i got mine setup and everything, using a usb 2.0 300gb HD formated with FAT32. On my 30" sanyo widscreen at home, it pretty much plays fine(im working with .ts mpeg2 here). So far it has frozen up 2 times, i was watching bruce almighty and it played fine for like 30-45 minutes, froze up(stop, fastfoward, nothing would work, turned on and off and it came back). Started again and it froze about 5 minutes later. Playing another one now and it seems better, i moved it around and it seems better, it may have been overheating.

On my gfs tv it (40something inch 4:3 hitatchi), it seems the tv ranomly loosing signal from the player or something like that. The tv will flicker black and come back to the picture. Will troubleshoot some more and see if i can figure anything else out.

takis321

11-21-05, 08:44 PM

Yes, exactly. DVI is unencrypted, full-quality digital, no DRM/anything whatsoever.

As opposed to component or HDMI? I suppose component provides the above, except that it is analog. Is there any other advantage of DVI over component, other the fact that it may have better quality because it is digital?

Sorry if some thought my posts were annoying, I did go through the forum, but being new I found some things confusing. I hope to contribute more to the forum soon when I learn a few things

abstravel

11-21-05, 08:55 PM

I was kinda hoping that abstravel would be able to work out what the differences are between MPEG-4 SP and ASP (aka: ISO 14496 Part 2) and MPEG-4 AVC (aka: ISO 14496 Part 10, aka: H.264), himself :)

Sorry, I was away for a bit.

I did not know that there were MPEG-4 and MPEG-4s.
I thought they were all the same. Found different part number definitions at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4.

Would anyone be so kind as to simplify why one type of MPEG-4 is better than another, when referring to Snazio and Zensonic?

Thanks,

SeeMoreDigital

11-22-05, 05:45 AM

Would anyone be so kind as to simplify why one type of MPEG-4 is better than another, when referring to Snazio and Zensonic?You are getting confused again.

The SnaZio and Zensonic players are fitted with exactly the same decoding chip-set (ie: the Sigma EM8620L chip-set), so both players are capable of decoding the same types of media.

Both players chip-sets can decode MPEG-4 conforming to MPEG-4/SP (Simple Profile) and MPEG-4/ASP (Advanced Simple Profile). Neither players chip-sets can decode MPEG-4 conforming to MPEG-4/AVC (Advanced Video Coding).

MPEG-4/AVC works very differently to MPEG-4/SP/ASP and are not compatible with each other!

Cheers

Kabanero

11-22-05, 06:36 AM

SeeMoreDigital,

What about MPEG-4 (HDTV profile), 1440(1920) x 1080 @8Mbps?

SeeMoreDigital

11-22-05, 08:40 AM

SeeMoreDigital,

What about MPEG-4 (HDTV profile), 1440(1920) x 1080 @8Mbps?As long as you're referring to encodes conforming to MPEG-4 SP and/or ASP and not AVC, then Sigma's EM8620L chip-set will decode it fine.

Sigma's chip-set has the capability of decoding MPEG-4/SP/ASP at resolutions of up-to 1920x1088 pixels at bitrates of up-to 9000Kbps!

I know this, because I've tested this with the Zensonic Z500 ;)

Kabanero

11-22-05, 09:34 AM

SeeMoreDigital,

I was referring to Nero Digital profile "High Definition TV". See attached pictures.

Will Zensonic play those files?

SeeMoreDigital

11-22-05, 09:50 AM

SeeMoreDigital,

I was referring to Nero Digital profile "High Definition TV". See attached pictures.

Will Zensonic play those files?That particular profile conforms to MPEG-4 SP/ASP and will therefore work with the Z500 just fine!

By-the-way, don't generate encodes with any of those profiles with GMC selected ;)

And don't generate encodes with any of the AVC profiles!

Cheers

Kabanero

11-22-05, 09:53 AM

Cool!

Thanks.

Dolfo

11-22-05, 10:10 AM

On my gfs tv it (40something inch 4:3 hitatchi), it seems the tv ranomly loosing signal from the player or something like that. The tv will flicker black and come back to the picture. Will troubleshoot some more and see if i can figure anything else out.

Is this with the DVI output? I get the same thing when using "DVI 720p", but it goes away when I switch it to "DVI 1080i" or one of the component HD modes. I never was able to figure out why it was doing that in that one mode - I am wondering if some TVs are more sensitive to the timing of the digital signal than others. My TV is a 60" Sony GWIII (LCD).

MorganB

11-22-05, 01:27 PM

Rob79

11-22-05, 01:45 PM

Paul_PDX

11-22-05, 05:36 PM

New firmware released for R2 (Europe) players (I wouldn't recommend trying for the US).

"Release Date : 14th Oct, 2005
Remarks
1. With CRC
2. Enhanced UPnP Support for third servers like EzlinkNg, Twonkyvision etc.
3. Internet TV Support Added
4. 50Hz resolution support DVI/HDTV Component 720p/1080i.
5. Support Atheros driver.
6. CSS license controller support.
7. Subtitles support for SnaZio* Tera NAS HD.
8. Remote TV Streaming support (Requires latest Snazzi* Net Cinema version).
9. Microsoft DRM Support "

Missing items they had promised:

Better than Black issues not fixed.
No cusomizable DVI timings/resolutions.

It also doesn't appear many of the top requested fixes have mad it:
http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6275

People on the MPCClub site are reporting mixed results with this update.

(FYI This fix is based on the syabas drop about a month older than the version Iodata is currently using in their LP2 and just about a month newer than the JVC model is using).

SeeMoreDigital

11-22-05, 06:08 PM

By-the-way, what is: "6. CSS license controller support" ?

Cheers

MorganB

11-22-05, 06:21 PM

MorganB, are you saying you have a your SZ-1350 hooked up to a receiver wiht just coaxial and you get surround on WMVHD files? Is so I will have to try this, I am currentyl using optical to receiver but if coaxial works for WMVHD then I will have to try that. Thanks

No No No. Not WMVHD. DD 5.1 or DTS. Who has an outboard decoder that can handle WMVHD audio anyway. I am sure a few people do but not many and they are VERY expensive.

SeeMoreDigital

11-22-05, 06:29 PM

Who has an outboard decoder that can handle WMVHD audio anyway. I am sure a few people do but not many and they are VERY expensive.Pioneer do... And here are (some) of the model numbers: -

http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/9181/pioneersdssamps8ny.gif

But whether the SnaZio (or any other player) can pass a suitable WMA Pro audio signal via SPDIF in a form that any of these amps can understand.... is another matter!

Cheers

A/Vspec

11-22-05, 07:52 PM

I would settle for output on the analog jacks!!!!

latreche34

11-23-05, 01:08 AM

masken

11-24-05, 04:40 PM

Can't believe noone's put up a test result for the player yet... zillions of chat everywhere, but no hard facts to read about the player...

konfucius

11-25-05, 05:06 AM

It is very quiet around this player now, many has probably moved on to the next player inline to be the perfect allround player... Zensonic?

masken

11-25-05, 05:35 AM

guess so... both players still miss HDMI interfaces though, which does ALOT for image quality, especially when upscaling.

SeeMoreDigital

11-25-05, 05:53 AM

guess so... both players still miss HDMI interfaces though, which does ALOT for image quality, especially when upscaling.I don't understand your comment :confused:

Starred

11-25-05, 05:59 AM

I don't understand your comment :confused:

Me neither

konfucius

11-25-05, 09:15 AM

guess so... both players still miss HDMI interfaces though, which does ALOT for image quality, especially when upscaling.

Well it does have DVI wich can be used as HDMI with a cable, so they actually don't miss HDMI...

Rob79

11-25-05, 10:48 AM

I don't think that many people have moved on with this player, I know I have not. With Snazio providing such great support for their BETA testers this system is continuing to improve itself almost on a weekly basis. I can see though the general public getting somewhat fed up, but Snazio has even released a couple public domain firmwares. I hope this gives somewhat of an update >;)

JimmytheSaint

11-25-05, 05:40 PM

I doubt people have moved onto a player that's not yet available....! :rolleyes:

Axel Olmos

11-25-05, 09:18 PM

I don't know about everyone else, but I've been quiet because I've been watching movies on my Snazio and have been really enjoying it. It does what I bought it to do. I'm sure competing products will be great when they come out, but it's only fair to compare shipping products with shipping products. Snazio hit the market with the first shipping DVI networked DVD player as far as I know and I bought it. I HOPE that competing products come out as competition will only make the next generation of products better.

chuna

11-25-05, 11:22 PM

They didnt hit the market first with a DVI networked product. The first one was IODATA Avel link Player which was released months and months before the Snazzio.

T2k

11-26-05, 01:38 AM

It is very quiet around this player now, many has probably moved on to the next player inline to be the perfect allround player... Zensonic?

How come Zensonic better when it's behind its original schedule almost by a year?
Wake me up whe it's out and has any advantage over Snazio... :cool:

T2k

11-26-05, 01:42 AM

guess so... both players still miss HDMI interfaces though, which does ALOT for image quality, especially when upscaling.

:confused: What? This is completely bogus if I understood correctly.
1. Zensonic will arrive with HDMI but it doesn't mean any plus or minus WRT PQ.
2. There's no quality difference between DVI and HDMI. Both digital.
3.Upconversion is already working on Snazio, both over component and DVI - therefore no need for HDMI.

T2k

11-26-05, 01:45 AM

They didnt hit the market first with a DVI networked product. The first one was IODATA Avel link Player which was released months and months before the Snazzio.

Not even that but Momitsu came first last year IIRC. (Edit: I mean minus one year of LP2.)

OTOH I think he thought first WMVHD-enabled and wirelessly networked upconverting DVI player. :cool: :D

SeeMoreDigital

11-26-05, 07:17 AM

Not even that but Momitsu came first last year IIRC. (Edit: I mean minus one year of LP2.)

OTOH I think he thought first WMVHD-enabled and wirelessly networked upconverting DVI player. :cool: :DYep.... we should all be referring to players that are high-def "media" capable.... not players that are std-def-to-high-def "up-scale" capable!

Any news on the BTB/WTW (grey-scale) over DVI firmware upgrade yet?

Cheers

konfucius

11-26-05, 09:56 AM

Well I'm a bit frustrated over this player, if I compare it to my HTPC, I love the easy handling and the smooth movie play, but I hate only seeing "half" the movie, I can't see any details in dark scenes.

And I'm also frustrated that it's dead quiet from any news regarding new firmware that is suppose to fix some of my issues...

MorganB

11-26-05, 01:15 PM

but I hate only seeing "half" the movie, I can't see any details in dark scenes.

And I'm also frustrated that it's dead quiet from any news regarding new firmware that is suppose to fix some of my issues...

I use component for the time being so I dont have to worry about it looking dark. However, the firmware is in the works and looks promising.

Dolfo

11-26-05, 05:09 PM

They didnt hit the market first with a DVI networked product. The first one was IODATA Avel link Player which was released months and months before the Snazzio.

Not in the U.S. IODATA was able to get JVC to put their brand on the DVI version, but that was released in the U.S. about the same time as the Snazio (MAYBE a month earlier).

SeeMoreDigital

11-26-05, 05:25 PM

Not in the U.S. IODATA was able to get JVC to put their brand on the DVI version, but that was released in the U.S. about the same time as the Snazio (MAYBE a month earlier).Well..... thankfully the "whole technological world" does not revolve around the requirements of people living in US..... Japan has a population of around 125 million people ;)

Cheers

Axel Olmos

11-26-05, 08:51 PM

>Not in the U.S. IODATA was able to get JVC to put their brand on the DVI version, but that >was released in the U.S. about the same time as the Snazio (MAYBE a month earlier).

I believe the JVC started shipping at the end of October, after the Snazio. I had no idea about the Momitsu! Thanks for the info. I don't know how I missed hearing about that player.

chuna

11-26-05, 09:27 PM

Yeah but users in the U.S were still buying the IODATA unit from overseas just like the Snazio when it first became available.

Dolfo

11-26-05, 09:31 PM

Well..... thankfully the "whole technological world" does not revolve around the requirements of people living in US..... Japan has a population of around 125 million people ;)

Cheers

I agree and I never expect the industry to revolve around the American market. However, if an American is discussing market availability (which Axel Olmos - an American - was), then it would be a logical assumption that he is referring to the American market. chuna, of course, did not agree.

T2k

11-26-05, 10:07 PM

Not in the U.S. IODATA was able to get JVC to put their brand on the DVI version, but that was released in the U.S. about the same time as the Snazio (MAYBE a month earlier).

I bought my Snazio in last Summer, direcly from Snazzi.

chuna

11-27-05, 02:12 AM

I was only referring to the statement he made that snazio was the first to hit the market, he didnt specify for the U.S which I said it wasnt the first to hit the market. And I didnt look in the left to see his location either, so wasnt as logical to me as not everyone looks where users are located. Not that I didnt agree on anything, just that I didnt see his location.

And besides its not clear when some one says first to hit the market regardless of their location cause in the AVS forums there were plenty of American users using the IODATA so I assumed the IODATA was available in the U.S back then.

A/Vspec

11-27-05, 11:53 AM

takis321

11-27-05, 12:25 PM

So it appears that the advantages of Snazio over LP2 are few and it costs 100 dollars more in US.

Personally I don't need the wireless.

Does dvi offer any advantage other than just being digital?

How important is wmv-hd? Is it going to be more popular / widely available than divx-hd? I never had any wmv moview and personally I don't care about buying movies from microsoft or wherever, what about availability in file sharing programs?

I have heard snazio has some delay problems when browsing through files with the remote. if you have a large music collection will that be a problem? does LP2 have the same issue?

Also, is there any difference in how upgradeable each of the 2 players is (firmware or other means)? Which company is more likely to devote time to future firmware upgrades ?

As far as I know there is no particular date when zensonic z500 will come to the USA. Anyone know more news?

T2k

11-27-05, 05:26 PM

So it appears that the advantages of Snazio over LP2 are few and it costs 100 dollars more in US.

It may apperars that way for you but it's not true.
As far as I know LP2 neither upconverts over DVI nor has region free hack.
There are quite a lot of people who could be happy to get wireless connection.
DVI is also a big thing for everybody with DVI display.

Personally I don't need the wireless.

Does dvi offer any advantage other than just being digital

How important is wmv-hd? Is it going to be more popular / widely available than divx-hd?

WMVHD is better in HD and VC-1 standars is part of both Blu-Ray and HDDVD.

I never had any wmv moview and personally I don't care about buying movies from microsoft or wherever, what about availability in file sharing programs?

Then look up yourself. AVS doesn't really honor any p2p dicussion.

I have heard snazio has some delay problems when browsing through files with the remote. if you have a large music collection will that be a problem? does LP2 have the same issue?

Also, is there any difference in how upgradeable each of the 2 players is (firmware or other means)? Which company is more likely to devote time to future firmware upgrades ?

Please, read back in the topic.
About 100x times been posted both company depend on the same firmware developer company, Syabas.

As far as I know there is no particular date when zensonic z500 will come to the USA. Anyone know more news?

It's been posted also numerous times - Zensonic is still not shipping. they announced the product almost a year ago but suffered many delays, so nobody can answer this.

T2k

11-27-05, 05:29 PM

abstravel

11-27-05, 09:27 PM

I have a problem with a 44393Kb Movie File (MPEG video file) that just stops near the end of the file?

Any ideas on what would cause the Snazzio to just stop playing the file? I can play the file just fine on any computer.

That's quite a big file... I'm moving currently but next weekend or after I can try to play back some of my longer HDV movies...

I believe that the Snazio can not play movies files with a size over 28000Kb.
Some users have experimented with 35000Kb with mixed results.
I believe I read it on their own company forum. :rolleyes:

MorganB

11-28-05, 02:51 AM

I believe that the Snazio can not play movies files with a size over 28000Kb.
Some users have experimented with 35000Kb with mixed results.
I believe I read it on their own company forum. :rolleyes:

The file size limit is via the USB port on the front of the machine and has to do with the way the USB drive must be formatted. I have played much larger files (18gig) via ethernet with no prob.

Dolfo

11-28-05, 09:02 AM

...there were plenty of American users using the IODATA so I assumed the IODATA was available in the U.S back then.

The American users of the IODATA were using the version without DVI. There were only a few people in the LP2 thread that had the DVI version that was originally released in Japan. There was a lot of anticipation about when the DVI version would make it to the States and then a lot of disappointment when it finally did (via the JVC branding).

Dolfo

11-28-05, 09:09 AM

SeeMoreDigital

11-28-05, 10:16 AM

At the end of the day....

I-O DATA did manufacture a player fitted with a DVI output and it was available in Japan before the the player fitted without a DVI output was available in the US.

The end

A/Vspec

11-28-05, 07:36 PM

The file is just a .mpg and like I said 43.3MB in size. I have not tried to convert it yet or burn to disc to see if it has the same problem.

dstoflet

11-28-05, 08:54 PM

You are getting confused again.

The SnaZio and Zensonic players are fitted with exactly the same decoding chip-set (ie: the Sigma EM8620L chip-set), so both players are capable of decoding the same types of media.

Both players chip-sets can decode MPEG-4 conforming to MPEG-4/SP (Simple Profile) and MPEG-4/ASP (Advanced Simple Profile). Neither players chip-sets can decode MPEG-4 conforming to MPEG-4/AVC (Advanced Video Coding).

MPEG-4/AVC works very differently to MPEG-4/SP/ASP and are not compatible with each other!

Cheers

Are you certain of this? Even SIGM's site says they do support AVC (MPEG4 part 10):

The EM8620L family provides highly-integrated solutions for products requiring high-definition MPEG-4.10 (H.264), VC-1, WMV9, MPEG-4.2 and MPEG-2 decoding.

T2k

11-28-05, 10:52 PM

Even via the USB port, there is no 35000kB filsiaze limit - that's only 35MB! I've played many DVD rips this way with filesizes up to 4GB (the FAT32 max filesize). I have also played many MPEG files wirelessly of 100MB or larger.

abstravel - please post a link to what you think is declaring a 28MB filesize limit.

Ahh, I somehow misread the original "44393Kb Movie File" posted by A/Vspec to MB... mea culpa. Of course, 44 megs should be OK. :D :cool:

SeeMoreDigital

11-29-05, 05:39 AM

Are you certain of this? Even SIGM's site says they do support AVC (MPEG4 part 10):

The EM8620L family provides highly-integrated solutions for products requiring high-definition MPEG-4.10 (H.264), VC-1, WMV9, MPEG-4.2 and MPEG-2 decoding.No it does not say "the" EM8620L chip-set supports MPEG-4 AVC at all...... It say's chip-sets in "the family" do!

Look at the chart provided.

picassopk

11-30-05, 12:54 PM

I just received my snazio today that I ordered from their free shipment offer for AVS members which saved my $25..delivery was fast via fedex and I am now about to play snazio and will publish my experience soon.

T2k

12-02-05, 03:59 PM

Anybody knows whether this unit is capable to output 1080p? At least as upscaled DVD?
I'm thinking about buying a 1080p display...

SeeMoreDigital

12-02-05, 04:40 PM

Anybody knows whether this unit is capable to output 1080p? At least as upscaled DVD?
I'm thinking about buying a 1080p display...Might be difficult to say.

The "chip-set" can certainly "play" progressive MPEG-4 at 1920x1080/88 but seems to struggle with progressive MPEG-2 at 1920x1088 (at least with the sample I encoded).

Upscaling std-def 480p or 576p DVD to 1080p is certainly a novel idea. Is upscaling to 1080i not good enough?

Cheers

Rob79

12-02-05, 06:48 PM

It played the Batman 1080P clip that I tried, butt hat is the only 1080p I have tried. Maybe someone with more trials with 1080p can help more. >;)

Clarence

12-04-05, 10:56 AM

Is anyone else having problems with their Snazio completely freezing mid-movie?
Maybe it's at the layer-change, but I have to press [next chapter] then fast scan back to the scene.

SeeMoreDigital

12-04-05, 02:18 PM

It played the Batman 1080P clip that I tried, butt hat is the only 1080p I have tried. Maybe someone with more trials with 1080p can help more. >;)Isnt your Batman clip WMV9 in WMV.... and not MPEG-2?

Cheers

SeeMoreDigital

12-04-05, 06:11 PM

To all SnaZio player owners who have sent me e-mails requesting Z500 firmware to run on their players.... Please stop!

Not only is the Z500 firmware incompatible with SnaZio player, even if it was compatible I would not send it to you....

I thank-you in advance for your co-operation.

chuna

12-04-05, 10:22 PM

Let me also add that it is impossible to put it on the Snazzio, Buffalo or IODATA as the Snazzio and the other players mentioned uses 8MB flash and the Z500 uses 16MB flash and the Z500 firmware is well over 8MB, so it wont fit to begin with.

T2k

12-05-05, 12:14 AM

Why would anybody do such stupid thing? I don't really understand...

Dolfo

12-05-05, 09:54 AM

Often, the misconception is that these players all share common hardware configurations and differ only in the firmware and form factor. As some of us know, this is absolutely NOT TRUE.

jsirwin

12-05-05, 05:18 PM

Suggestions on DVD and Ts file setup on computer to work best with Snazzio:

I just ordered a Snazzio 1350 and was going to setup a few DVD's ripped to the hard drive to test out the "Video" playback. Any suggestions on file types and folders? The best way to play the full DVD without stops or stutters. Certainly the TS files could be set up just inside the "video" folder but the DVDs would need to be in an individual folder if they are VOB's wouldn't they?

sanssome

12-07-05, 10:14 AM

Just received my SZ1350 yesterday. Did any other US buyers receive a unit with a round pin power plug? I'm not sure if they made a mistake or they just haven't regionalized the device. I am certain I can easily find an adapter , but I was all set to test my new toy out last night and hit a roadblock!

pfriese

12-07-05, 12:21 PM

zimmy135

12-07-05, 02:10 PM

I also received a unit with the round pin power plug. A logo on the back panel indicates it's a region 2 DVD player. I haven't tried an adaptor yet.

pfriese, have you had any issues playing region 1 DVDs?

zimmy135

12-07-05, 06:27 PM

Nevermind...

A/Vspec

12-07-05, 06:34 PM

Mine came with the power cord adaptor... did you guys look through all the packaging?

deez

12-07-05, 08:34 PM

lmao so this player still does nopt pass BTB amnd WTW?

I was gonna buy one but not until this is resolved.....

thevideowizard

12-07-05, 08:40 PM

Applied Magic Video is the North American Distributor and they have units with the correct power plugs. It sounds like you got a gray market import.

888-624-4255

They have stock and can ship same day if your order is placed early enough in the day.

A/Vspec

12-07-05, 09:05 PM

Next firmware upgrade is supposed to fix the BTB via DVI problem.

I purchased direct from Snazio.

Hi-Jack

12-08-05, 12:22 AM

thevideowizard

12-08-05, 12:27 AM

Mine came with proper plug but in the long run doesn't matter as long as it works. BTW the folks at AMV are not too shabby on the support side.

deez

12-08-05, 03:33 AM

Well i would like that........to buy one that is but not if it has BTB and WTW problems...also can anyione comment on pq via dvi versus the oppo?

robneal81

12-08-05, 10:23 AM

Hey guys,

This is a good DVD player, but not perfect for my needs. I tried to send it back, but it costs to much to ship it to Singapore. I emailed Snazzi for help and they never responded...actually, the only time I ever got a responce from them was when I sent two or three emails each time. I decided to just putting it on ebay. It has less than two hours of time on it and has the region free and 1080i through DVI codes entered. Here's a link. Thanks for all your help with my configuration.

http://cgi.*********/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5839948746&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

robneal81

12-08-05, 10:26 AM

for some reason, the forum won't let me post the full link. Please replace "*********" with "ebay dot com"

Clarence

12-09-05, 09:18 PM

Is anyone else having problems with their Snazio completely freezing mid-movie?
Maybe it's at the layer-change, but I have to press [next chapter] then fast scan back to the scene.Dang... my Snazio has frozen on 3 .ts movies today :(

0 for 3 :(

DVDs are bad enough... when a DVD freezes on my Snazio, at least I can skip to the next chapter, then skip back.

But with a .TS file, it locks on a frame and none of the fwd/rev buttons respond, so I have to stop the movie completely, then restart it from the beginning, then FFWD to where I was in the movie :( To add insult to the process, 4X FFWD stinks.

It seems to be about 45-60 minutes into each movie. But it's not a glitch in the file because it'll play smoothly thorough the same spot the 2nd time.

I finally got this all connected with wired ethernet to my HTPC. Looks great. But if it locks up in the middle of every movie, I can't take that.

It's not overheating... plenty of ventilation and it's not warm to the touch.

Dang it... just did it again while I was typing. Frozen solid :(

No one else having problems?

Guess we'll all get to see how responsive the customer service is for AVS Power Buyers.

SeeMoreDigital

12-10-05, 05:56 AM

.... To add insult to the process, 4X FFWD stinks.This is an Sigma chip-set software issue. Sadly this fault can be found on all other players using the same chip-set - with varying degrees of rectification!

Clarence

12-10-05, 01:34 PM

SeeMoreDigital

12-10-05, 02:10 PM

Does your Snazio ever lock up on DVDs or TS?

I don't see much griping here or on MPC, so I'm guessing/hoping that it's just my player, not all.

I could live with the awkward FFWD, but I can't take the hard freezes.I'm actually beta testing the Zensonic Z500 ;)

Personally speaking, I don't have issues with traditional MPEG-2 DVD media or high-def MPEG-2 .TS files burned to DVD.

That said, during the course of my beta testing I have been made aware of various outstanding Sigma chip-set bugs.... and unfortunately, fast-forwarding and fast-rewinding (for all stream types) is one of them :(

geewcee

12-10-05, 02:22 PM

Aww. I've waited a week and a half to receive my Snazio, and the units completely dead. No HD action for me tonight then. Have to wait another fortnight for a replacement :(

deez

12-10-05, 04:37 PM

hmmmm...so are youi saying SMD that this will plague the player or that through a fw this can be rectified?

SeeMoreDigital

12-10-05, 04:46 PM

hmmmm...so are youi saying SMD that this will plague the player or that through a fw this can be rectified?What I'm saying is... unless Sigma rectify this issue at their end. There's only so far individual player manufactures can do to ease the problem!

Cheers

mattdb

12-13-05, 10:53 PM

Deleted this post.

I got this on ebay and realized that it is actually the SZ1300. There was no mention of that in the auction and I didn't realize that there were different models.

Doesn't play allot of the divx files that I have. Oh well.

Sorry for the confusion.

Matt

sanssome

12-14-05, 01:21 AM

Well so far mine has played everything I've thrown at it, but that's not saying much. I haven't watched a full DVD yet where I can comment on freezes or pixelation. Actually, I'm not watching much with it at all as the ethernet stopped working. It was a little flaky from the start, at first working with DHCP, then not, working with static IP, then not at all. It' s dead from a network perspective now, though I haven't tested wireless and don't plan to without support for WPA/TKIP.

As someone else said, Support is non responsive. I've sent three inquiries using different methods and not one reply back. The only person who was really responsive to me was the cutomer service rep who handed the order (no irony there,) so I'm gonna ping him if I don't get another reply back in a day or two.

So based on what I've seen and from what others have said this is not a perfect solution, but it's the sadly the best choice for me right now as I've heard the LinkPlayer has issues with DVD-R and various video formats. I guess it will fill the gap until the Z500 ships in quantity, that is, if it's really as good as Zensonic says it is.

Of course, I would miss the region free and upscaling over DVI features.

sanssome

12-14-05, 01:27 AM

Hey Rob, I see you did pretty good on your Ebay sale! Pity for the poor fellow that only snagged $152 for his.

mattdb

12-14-05, 09:06 AM

Well as it turns out I actually got the SZ1300. See edited post above.

Anyway, My linkplayer plays just about everything. Doesn't lock up. The remote response is awful. I got a new Harmony remote and that improved it.

Anyway, anyone want a a SZ1300 for cheap? ;-)

Matt

Axel Olmos

12-14-05, 09:20 AM

After having a 1350 for a while, I can tell you that I need to power cycle it on a regular basis. The network issue pops up where it flashes endlessly, and that's a sure sign you need a "reboot". That is very annoying. My wife reports that occasionally it will freeze during playback, but I have yet to catch it. I have seen the bug where all of a sudden it fast forwards a few seconds. It's not perfect, but I still like it. I have trouble believing players all based on the same chipset are going to have wildly differing results, so perhaps firmware upgrades will even things out in the future.

diver90

12-14-05, 10:13 AM

FWIW, I got the 1310 and just use it to stream content across my LAN to the home theater. That works really well and the HD content looks good too.

I've got a Marantz DV7600 for single DVD playback so I didn't need/want the 1350.

I don't like the fact that you have to use the analog outputs for the audio portion of WMV-HD h'ever.

T2k

12-14-05, 06:13 PM

Let's see...

It plays almost everything I want to play (by now I realized that older WMVs went out of fashion), no problem with wireless (I've just got a D-Link DGL-4300, very nice piece!), I programmed my Sony AV-RM3100 for remote control. My only issue is - apart from the upcoming fix for BTB/WTW - those rare freezes. Other than that I'm fine with this unit as of now.

abricko

12-15-05, 12:58 AM

I received my Snazio on Friday. It also had the round pin power plug. I was a bit concerned also as I had not read about this. I went to radio shack and bought an adaptor and set it up on Saturday anyway. It worked just fine with the adaptor.

I ordered one of these units, in case i need to get the power adapter, what type should i get? if you bought at Rat Shack can you post a product sku (since most web linking doesn't work on the board)

Thanks, i'm excited about this unit.

JimmytheSaint

12-15-05, 03:02 AM

I also have the SZ1310 (i.e no dvd drive) and access everything over the LAN. I have had NO issues with .ts playback or HD XviD (WMV is a waste of time and space). I don't use it for dvd playback (don't need to) so am really happy with the unit! Like anything, there are always issues with computer based solutions and the Snazio is no exception. Proof will come as to how the unit is supported and this is where the Zensonic may be a better contender. Time will tell!

picassopk

12-15-05, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by pfriese
I received my Snazio on Friday. It also had the round pin power plug. I was a bit concerned also as I had not read about this. I went to radio shack and bought an adaptor and set it up on Saturday anyway. It worked just fine with the adaptor.
I also received my snazio with round pin power plug and just got my US$10 refund as per thier below email

Dear valued SnazziShopper,
Firstly, on behalf of snazzishop, I would like to extend our sincere apology for the problem that you are facing. The problem arises due to the wrong info captured into our systems. The problem has since been rectified and I would like to offer the following 2 solutions for your consideration.

1. We will send you an adapter (to convert European 2-round pins to US 2-flat pin). I have attached a pix for your reference. The shipment will likely to take 3-4 days to reach you once we received your confirmaton.
OR
2. We will refund US$10 to your paypal account to offset the purchase of the adapter that you might want to get locally.

For your info.. all units are shipped with Region 1 coding despite the wrong power cord.

Please let me know your decison and once again thanks for your support & patience.

Good customer services from SnazziShop..

SeeMoreDigital

12-15-05, 08:24 AM

picassopk

Can you change the colour of your "yellow" text to something more readable please?

Cheers

abricko

12-15-05, 11:44 AM

Which plug will I have to get: (go to radioshack<dot>com)
Catalog #: 273-1446 or Catalog #: 273-1406

I'm trying to go from the standard two pronged eurpoean plug to the standard US two flat prongs?

thanks for the info, i'd like to be ready to test this unit out when i get it.

sanssome

12-15-05, 04:35 PM

Well 273-1446 sounds right, but the other one may also be suitable. Need to see the female end to know for sure.

Watched a whole DVD-R last night with no stutters, skips, or freezes. Still can't use it on the network because of the dead IP stack. (Ethernet appears to be operational based on link status.) I finally got a response from V-One, namely Bilal, the sales rep that assisted me with my internet order after sending him an email. He promised they would handle the issue in a priority fashion and sent me the name of a support contact he asked to process the case. She's yet to contact me, but I'll give it another few days before losing all confidence in V-One. Bilal's great, but I don't know that all V-One staffers are as dedicated and responsive as he is. I think product quality/reliability and accessibilty of service are two critical factors one should think about when considering this player. Unfortuately I didn't.

abstravel

12-15-05, 11:11 PM

I've read the posts that some copy dvds to .ts and other formats.
Which is the best way to copy a dvd to a computer/server and then view it in full via the Snazio?

Thanks,

deez

12-16-05, 12:35 AM

I've read the posts that some copy dvds to .ts and other formats.
Which is the best way to copy a dvd to a computer/server and then view it in full via the Snazio?

Thanks,
Sorry but i dont think anyone is going to answer this....lol

konfucius

12-16-05, 08:20 AM

Hi-Jack over at MPCClub (http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6293&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45) is talking about:

"We'll be releasing a Snazio News tomorrow about new FW...
It's positive... so start being happy...".

If that means new release date or an actual release, we'll know tomorrow...

Dolfo

12-16-05, 09:46 AM

abstravel

12-16-05, 10:22 AM

Just to be clear, any discussion of "copying" DVDs should refer to the creation of backups for DVDs that you own and not the illegal copying of DVDs. That said, there is DVD Ripping software that will create backups of your DVDs to your harddrive. These backups are .VOB files and are not .ts files - those are transport streams that are generated by another means.

Thanks Adolfo.

My use of words -copying- over backup was incorrect.
I own over 300 DVDs, and purchase 1-2 every other week at Best Buy or Circuit city for $15.99-$16.99 when they come out every Tuesday.

I have children, ages 7 and 9, and you all know.. how good they take care of dvds. :p

I'm getting tired of watching dvds and halfway down the movie it skips or it's totally unviewable.

That said, I don't condone copying someone elses' dvds. I buy my own.
-----------------------O-----------------------

So, the .VOB files generated when I do the backup, I guess I would have to select All .VOB files to view a movie, or just one single directory or main file to view the movie and have control just like a regular dvd. Menu, etc.?

Thanks,

Rob79

12-16-05, 10:23 AM

If you are backing up your own DVD's just use a program that gives you the option not not make seperate VOB files in 1GB chunks. DVD shrink allows this and many more also. Thsi way you have 1 VOB file and only have to play 1 VOB file. I hope this has helped >.;)

abstravel

12-16-05, 10:39 AM

andyman2

12-16-05, 02:40 PM

originally posted by sanssome

Still can't use it on the network because of the dead IP stack.

Just been trying to find some information on the snazio and noticed this thread . I have what appears to be a similar problem, sorry in advance if it isn't I know how annoying that phrase can be. Note also I've already posted my problem on the mpc forum under andyh

My snazio will not talk to either wired Netgear device I have: dg834 router or fs605 switch at 100MB. (Can't ping it from pc on same network)

I have made a few tests:

1/ Cross over cable to laptop - OK
2/ Wired to neighbours cisco router - OK
3/ Wired Via 10baseT hub - OK
4/ Wireless to a DLink WAP - OK

But direct to the Netgear switch I just see continuous fast pulse on the port led. I've tried fixed addressing and DHCP, but neither work since I dont think the two are able to negotiate to 100MB together.

It would be nice to know if anyone has tried Netgear devices.

Note there are some reports that mention fixing this type of problem by powering off the snazio for 5 to 10 mins and trying again if it has been powered on without a network cable installed though this didn't fix it for me.

Rgrds

Andy

Axel Olmos

12-16-05, 02:55 PM

Hi,

You can also try unplugging it from the wall and waiting 5-10 minutes. Sometimes I have to push the power button on the front off, wait a few seconds, and on, several times to get the network light to stop fast pulsing.

Eventually it will work. I had this problem initially and it made me think my DHCP was broken. I have a Linksys router/switch. I may try a different brand in the future to see if that helps.

sanssome

12-17-05, 03:04 AM

I think this is an auto-neogtiation problem. I did get a response back from support and they did inquire on what type of switching equipment I use, so I'm guessing they've gotten reports from other users of similar failures. I initially tried this with a 3Com office connect and it wouldn't negotiate with that at all, then I moved it to a linksys mini five port 10/100 switch and I got link for the first time, but it became sporadic after initial use. I do notice if I leave the unit in standby (soft power off) it retains link, but if I power cycle it the problem reappears.

I don't think I can peg speed on either of these switches I'm trying to use and I like the small footprint of the linksys. What's interesting is that the support rep asked me to pull the hood off the unit and look for a yellow jumper on what apears to be the main board, but just below what looks like a daughter board for network, wired or wireless. It might be a speed jumper for ethernet. I'll have a look at mine tomorrow and test with and without said jumper.

Pic of jumper (from V-One): http://www.sanssome.com/Added_Jumper_Wirer.JPG

Clarence

12-17-05, 11:07 AM

konfucius

12-17-05, 11:49 AM

:D

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3924/felix8sc.gif

Well I guess tomorrow is soon over... and no news.

Clarence

12-17-05, 03:04 PM

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=26
On High Priority for the January release is the DVD playback issues and FF/RW improvements while on the other hand, Snazio* is playing with ideas (nothing final) like SMB, FLAC and NTFS. Several other FW fixes are planned during the next few weeks but really depends on how much time they need to fix them to implement more. As you are aware, this is done by Syabas Middleware provider. We as well pointed out that UDF 2.01 would be an option to be fixed in that release and Snazio* will look into the actions needed for that.
Hurry up and wait... "January". :(

But, if it happens, NTFS would be worth the wait. That's my biggest frustration.
FFWD/REW is just an annoyance.

But I was hoping the firmware would be available as implied... I was hoping to try it to see if it decreased the common hard freezes I'm getting from DVD and TS.

SeeMoreDigital

12-17-05, 05:48 PM

On High Priority for the January release is the DVD playback issues and FF/RW improvements while on the other hand, Snazio* is playing with ideas (nothing final) like SMB, FLAC and NTFS. Several other FW fixes are planned during the next few weeks but really depends on how much time they need to fix them to implement more. As you are aware, this is done by Syabas Middleware provider. We as well pointed out that UDF 2.01 would be an option to be fixed in that release and Snazio* will look into the actions needed for that. Well, well, well.... there's nothing like trying to keep up with the new "Zensonic Z500" competition..... LOL

T2k

12-19-05, 11:15 AM

Well, well, well.... there's nothing like trying to keep up with the new "Zensonic Z500" competition..... LOL

LOL, I agree, there's nothing like that - it'd be hard to try to compete with something still isn't out there yet... :D

SeeMoreDigital

12-19-05, 11:59 AM

LOL, I agree, there's nothing like that - it'd be hard to try to compete with something still isn't out there yet... :DActually....

The Z500 was officially launched on Monday 12 December. Currently it's being sold in Australia but that hasn't stopped a whole load of people placing and receiving personal imports to other countries ;)

Cheers

T2k

12-19-05, 12:08 PM

Actually....

The Z500 was officially launched on Monday 12 December. Currently it's being sold in Australia but that hasn't stopped a whole load of people placing and receiving personal imports to other countries ;)

Cheers

Wow, it's news - thx for the info. :cool:
Is it actual, 'real' launch, are there real people using it now or still just announcement and shipping 'will start'? Not to be too sarcastic but Zensonic has a very bad track record on this... ;)

SeeMoreDigital

12-19-05, 12:32 PM

Wow, it's news - thx for the info. :cool:
Is it actual, 'real' launch, are there real people using it now or still just announcement and shipping 'will start'? Not to be too sarcastic but Zensonic has a very bad track record on this... ;)It's a "real" launch....

You can order one yourself from Kadek (http://www.kadek.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=2949)...... But you might have to wait as they're selling fast ;)

Cheers

T2k

12-19-05, 01:05 PM

It's a "real" launch....

You can order one yourself from Kadek (http://www.kadek.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=2949)...... But you might have to wait as they're selling fast ;)

Cheers

Nah, I just moved to a new apt, I have to buy other things first. :D Snazio will serve me fine for a while... also I'm not sure how far is the h/x.264 AVC capable wave... next summer? ;)

Dolfo

12-19-05, 02:17 PM

Nah, I just moved to a new apt, I have to buy other things first. :D Snazio will serve me fine for a while... also I'm not sure how far is the h/x.264 AVC capable wave... next summer? ;)

Probably next summer for Snazio and IODATA. That would be Winter 2007 for Zensonic ;) JUST KIDDING chuna - congrats on the release. I've been hearing some good things about this player so it may have been worth the wait.

andyman2

12-19-05, 02:55 PM

originally posted by sanssome
What's interesting is that the support rep asked me to pull the hood off the unit and look for a yellow jumper on what apears to be the main board, but just below what looks like a daughter board for network, wired or wireless. It might be a speed jumper for ethernet. I'll have a look at mine tomorrow and test with and without said jumper.

Did you find time to try this? I'm a little retiscent to open mine up just yet ....

Cheers

Andy

sanssome

12-20-05, 08:13 PM

Yes, I did and I do have the jumper. Apparently they released two versions of this, the second having the yellow jumper and the first having a small red jumper that hugged the board. I'm fairly certain the yellow jumper replaces the red and they did this to allow you to simply snip it as I was advised to do by support in a follow-up email (crazy, huh?) What wasn't clear in the email was if the yellow wire did indeed replace the red or whether a red jumper still exists for whatever purpose underneath. Something was lost in the translation and I've asked for clarification. If you have the red wire they suggest de-soldering it! I was assured this wouldn't void my warrantee. :eek:

In any case, after clarification I'll perform the work, because the ethernet connectivity issue is driving me buggy. Invariably my 8 year old daughter powers the thing off (and I tell her each time not to :) ) and ethernet will not come back up without many power cycles, switch power cycles, etc. That cannot be good for either device, nor my patience.

I've also asked V-One to clarify what the purpose of the jumper is. Does it turn on auto-negotiation and if so, what settings will be the default if I remove it? Hopefully not half-duplex!

Other than this issue and the extremely poor remote response (I've yet to perform Hi-Jack's alignment procedure, but might as well next time I have the cover off) this player is great. HiRes video looks great and DVDs, both commercially produced and backup DVD-Rs play without a hitch. Every type of file I've thrown at it has played other than QuickTime, but no surprise there. The Syabas interface is rather clunky and some of the features in NetCinema do not work (like playing the designated slide show during internet radio play), so I'm hoping they improve this and release support for SMB. I'm sharing from my NAS thorugh my PC for now.

sanssome

12-20-05, 08:26 PM

It's a "real" launch....

You can order one yourself from Kadek (http://www.kadek.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=2949)...... But you might have to wait as they're selling fast ;)

Cheers

I waited and I waited, finally giving up. That's how I ended up with the Snazio and now I'm content to wait for the second generation, which hopefully will include HiDef DVD of some form and probably be based on SMP863x. I think I read on the Z500 forum that production is still in limited runs and they are so backordered people can expect to wait up to 15 weeks from the day they order one. Sorry, but I wanted a player for Christmas!

Speaking of next generation players, there's an interesting press release on Sigma's site (http://www.sigmadesigns.com/news/press_releases/051212.htm) about collaboration with Pioneer.

Dolfo

12-21-05, 09:59 AM

Since Hi-Jack has such a good relationship with Snazio, maybe he can get some information on what this red/yellow jumper's purpose is and what happens when it is removed. Hi-Jack?

Roland Janus

12-22-05, 06:49 PM

Hi,

I just tried the "firmware update" menu entry on the cinema software.

I have now those in the program folder:

09-08-050812-01-VNE-243-026.bin
09-09-050812-01-VNE-242-026.bin
10-09-050920-01-VNE-257-000.bin
10-10-050920-01-VNE-258-000.bin
10-53-051007-01-VNE-243-000.bin
10-54-051007-01-VNE-242-000.bin

active is this one:

10-10-050920-01-VNE-258-000.bin

Now, is there a newer version in that list and if not why are there files having a later date in but are not newer?

And if they are how to upload them?

cheers, roland

A/Vspec

12-22-05, 07:18 PM

You lucky s..o..b.. I get no update avail....

Roland Janus

12-22-05, 08:04 PM

You lucky s..o..b.. I get no update avail....

on the netcinema software?

I downloaded the current 1.2...

A/Vspec

12-22-05, 09:53 PM

sanssome

12-23-05, 02:06 AM

To follow up on my ethernet problem, I snipped the yellow jumper as suggested by V-One Support and it solved the negotiation problem. They did not answer my question on what cutting the wire does, like is it now fixed at a 100 Mb/s Full, or something else. I'm just happy it connects to the net reliably now.

One problem solved and new ones have appeared. It does lock up on DVDs and the unit must be power cycled. It also freezes in random ways, like if we stop a DVD and save a bookmark or just pause it for a long period and come back to the device, the LED panel is lit up like a Christmas tree with every word turned on (DVD DVI HD ...) Yes, it must be power cycled at this point.

I've told V-One this device is not yet delivering value to their customers and quick action is necessary before potential buyers learn of these deficiencies and hedge their decisions, waiting for the Z500, the next Kiss or a more mainstream manufacturers to release hi def players. I hope these problems are solvable through firmware updates, but I suspect the underlying system design may be flawed. The software can only do so much if the electronics are of poor quality or connected in a poorly designed way.

sanssome

12-23-05, 02:10 AM

Don't know if this if off-topic, but can anyone recommend sources for full length pre-recorded hi-def material? I'm without HD TV yet and trailers and small clips are only wetting my appetite. When this thing does work the 720p or 1080i material looks fantastic and I want more! Send me a private msg if you think it's more appropriate.

Roland Janus

12-23-05, 03:14 AM

1.2 is the version of Net Cinema software, not the firmware version of the player.

I would love to try and download the 10-54-051007-01-VNE-242-000.bin firmware!

The 10-10-050920-01-VNE-258-000.bin was the last release version of firmware.....

I know. :)

I downloaded the 1.2 and then from that version of the netcinema software I got those rom-files.

The firmware I have on the player is the one I got when entering a link on the player. But those other files are newer.

So, what now?

andyman2

12-23-05, 04:39 AM

Ethernet problem: I took the plunge yesterday too. My player has the red wire that hugs the main board. After snipping this the player also appears to work correctly on the network. I then connected it to a laptop via a crossover cable. When the laptop is set to AUTO for speed/DUPLEX, the PC shows that it runs at 100MB (couldn't find the DUPLEX setting?). When I set the laptop to 10MB it seemed to still be able to talk to the PC ok. So I've no i dea what we are doing by cutting this link, but it does appear to fix my problem too. In my case I never managed to get the snazio onto the wired network.
I dont seem to get very smooth playback on my xvid encodes over the network, which I had though was a wireless bandwidth problem. Will try them locally on aDVD and see what they look like.

SeeMoreDigital

12-23-05, 05:42 AM

Has the BTB and WTW issue been rectified for the DVI output yet?

Cheers

GlennR

12-23-05, 05:48 AM

Has the BTB and WTW issue been rectified for the DVI output yet?

According to Hi-Jack on MPC the firmware upgrade to cover this issue will be released before Christmas. Not long to go then?

Glenn

Paul_PDX

12-23-05, 12:05 PM

Your only firmware currently without changing models (or maybe regions is)
10-10-050920-01-VNE-258-000.bin

Firmware version: 10.10
Data: 2005-Sept-01
Bios Type(??): 01
Vendor: VNE (V-One)
Model Number: 258
Sub Model Number(??): 000

It appears there are 4 models of V-One players out there right now (or that were considered):
242,243,257,258

I think bios type has something to do with different parts in the bios -- when Iodata went to 2 they added a second download (one time) that added some extra network media features. (when it went from 1 to 2 we lost the ability to reload 1 type updates.

Sometimes you can load other model numbers (if simple things like region changes)-- sometimes you can't (DVI model vs non-DVI model, wireless vs non-wireless, unless you know from V-One you might not want to try just any fw.

FYI -- some Iodata users have successfully turned US players into Japanese ones and vice versa (with Info from IODATA).

Roland Janus

12-23-05, 07:38 PM

I see, the 258 is actually defining the model and it's only there once.

Ok, should show up soon anyway...

jslickman4

12-24-05, 03:34 AM

I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to what the ideal TV setting would be for the Snazio SZ1350 if you have a Polaroid FLM-2601 on DVI. Color saturation, sharpness, contrast, and brightness.

T2k

12-25-05, 03:58 AM

Well, Christmas has arrived, unlike the firmware update. :(

In the meantime it seems the YPrPb output went completely kookoo on my Snazio. Great. : :mad: Jut f******* great. :mad:
Where should I write to get a replacement? :confused:

konfucius

12-25-05, 05:59 AM

Well Hijack over at mpcclub .com is closing all threads about the new f/w that he promised would be out before xmas... so I guess it won't come before xm... oh wait, he didnt say wich xmas, maybe he meant next year?

abricko

12-25-05, 02:52 PM

I don't see how this is Hi-Jack's fault... he's only reporting what he hears from the company... if you bought this player after knowing of all these faults and are complaining for the lack of updates, that's your bad... read the forums make a decision and stick with it. that's what i did, i waited until recently and bought the snazzio player... for my needs it's fine, the Black and White level issues don't bother me (I run DVI - HDMI into my tv), they seemed to fix the remote issue, and it plays what it's supposed to play... i'm very happy with this unit. I for one could not wait for the Zensonic unit (I live in the US).

I thank Hi-Jack for his communication with snazzio and I hope he's not discouraged to continue to speak for us to them to improve this product.

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate... or Happy Day to others...

konfucius

12-25-05, 04:28 PM

The Black and White issue is on the DVI and I use it and it's terrible, you only see half the movie.

I also understand that Hijack "only" is selling the machines and that he's not responsible for development, but his way of bragging about that he and some other beta testers are using the new f/w and that everybody else who is not using it, only have them selves to blaim, is not very proffessional and that he promised that it would be out before xmas and not saying anything about that it won't be released in time also adds on to my thoughts.

To me he's more of a salesperson than a techguy and I would not buy from them.
It's a big responsability to have a forum like they do and to close irritating threads is not the way to go if you want customers.

Well that's just my opinion and everybody has to have there own...

latreche34

12-27-05, 03:12 AM

I have about 20 latest HD movies logo free 1920x1080 I recorded them from Dishnetwork, but since it's illegal to sell them I can't help, sorry.

Zamola Wirez
dellsam34@yahoo.com

Don't know if this if off-topic, but can anyone recommend sources for full length pre-recorded hi-def material? I'm without HD TV yet and trailers and small clips are only wetting my appetite. When this thing does work the 720p or 1080i material looks fantastic and I want more! Send me a private msg if you think it's more appropriate.

poynter

12-29-05, 01:07 PM

sanssome

12-29-05, 01:16 PM

I received my 1350 just before Christmas, probably not a good time if you have problems as everybody is a little busy.
Anyway my problem is No Manual and No Pc connection Software.
Are these available anywhere else, ie on the net, or do I have to try to get them from V One.

The latest version of the PC software (2.1) is definitely on their Support site. I think you may need to register first, supplying the serial number of your unit.

T2k

12-29-05, 03:26 PM

I have about 20 latest HD movies logo free 1920x1080 I recorded them from Dishnetwork, but since it's illegal to sell them I can't help, sorry.

Zamola Wirez
dellsam34@yahoo.com

One word for everybody looking form things like this: usenet ;)

abricko

12-31-05, 03:33 PM

Check out MPC CLUB:
From Hi-Jack:

Changelist:
1. 1.5MB code release
2. Fixed BTB and WTW by adjusting recommended values for Brightness/Contrast/Saturation as default
3. Support 5.1 AC3 Dolby Digital
4. Fix Volume Up/Down key issues
5. Fixed 50 Hz settings issue of not saving the values for 50 Hz DVI/HDTV Component 720P/1080i
6. Fixed FF/RW issues for DivX
7. Fixed DVD Pause/Resume jump issues
8. Stabilize code base for inconsistent behavior while video streaming
9. Fixed VFD text messy issue
10. Added NTFS Read Support for attached USB media
11. Added and Fixed Time Search features. It does apply to Avi, Mov and Wmv only.
12. Introduced True Color Browser for Firmware to eliminate background overlapping. Unlike 256 color scheme, this firmware provides improved thumbnails and possible faster performance
NOTE: NTFS support is experimental and there is no official support.

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=7060

HA! to all you who complain!

T2k

12-31-05, 05:31 PM

T2k

12-31-05, 05:43 PM

Is there any other way to update than setting up internet access? Ie writing to a CD and when it boots up, it updates automatically?

A/Vspec

12-31-05, 06:41 PM

Updated to latest version and my DVD drive disappeared? Gone... press eject and it says "INVALID".

Anyone else have this same problem?

GlennR

12-31-05, 09:53 PM

Updated to latest version and my DVD drive disappeared? Gone... press eject and it says "INVALID".

Anyone else have this same problem?

Have you updated the right firmware? As both 1350 and 1310 were posted together

Glenn

abricko

01-01-06, 06:02 AM

two firmwares... 1310 and 1350... if you pulled 1310 on 1350 then you should not have access to dvd drive... (you'd think they'd have basic sanity check? on these units?) go to setup and roll back then pull the *other* firmware it should be a - ok after you do that... they original posty by hi-jack didn't specify for the 1350 firmware... the one that's not labeled 1310 is the 1350 firmware (i'm sure a few of you were too excited to read through the entire post to see this has happened allready...) good luck enjoy new *free* toys from snazio...

konfucius

01-01-06, 06:03 AM

Well I updated, but after a quick view with THX optimizer on a DVD I still only see four levels of black, anyone else had better luck?

I look in to it more later on.

SeeMoreDigital

01-01-06, 06:33 AM

Well I updated, but after a quick view with THX optimizer on a DVD I still only see four levels of black, anyone else had better luck?

I look in to it more later on.Don't forget to try my "Grey Scale - Test Cards" please: -

NTSC 720x480 Grey Scale Test (http://81.98.148.105/Uploaded_Files/AVS_Forum_files/NTSC_720x480_Grey_Scale_Test.7z)

PAL 720x576 Grey Scale Test (http://81.98.148.105/Uploaded_Files/AVS_Forum_files/PAL_720x576_Grey_Scale_Test.7z)

Cheers

T2k

01-02-06, 02:56 AM

Am I the only one who wants WPA support? What are these guys in the stone ages or something. I figured this thing would support WPA out of the box. My wireless network is setup for WPA and I don't want to revert everything else to WEP. Any idea when this will come?

I don't know but I'm second to none on the WPA witing list. I refuse to disable WPA on my shiny new DGL-4300 - well, I just 'let' my Snazio to 'find' some other connection around here... ;)

But I fully agree, missing WPA support is a big minus and needs to be addressed ASAP.