Hisense TA42P-HDRA 42" HDTV Plasma (Discuss) [Text View]

Hersh007

08-29-05, 01:50 PM

I was part of the failed 3G buy and saw this pop up today, here are the specs, price is similar to 3G:

Hisense TA42P-HDRA 42-Inch 1024 x 768 3000:1 Contrast HD-Ready Plasma TV with DVI

Display Area: 42"
Aspect Ratio: 16:9
Contrast Ratio: 3000:1
Resolution: 1024 x 768

Audio Ports: 3
Speakers: 2

Inputs
15 pin D-Sub
Component In
Composite RCA
DVI-D
RS-232 Communication
S-Video

Input Terminals Video
RF connector
Y, Pb/Cb, Pr/Cr

Outputs
RCA
RCA Audio

Output Terminals
Headphone

Unit Dimensions (WxHxD): 45" x 32.25" x 14.75"

Here’s to Long Life!
HiSense 42-inch HDTV Plasma Display
It’s the latest generation in plasma technology! And the impact it has on you the first time you drink it in will be something you will remember forever. Just like the first time you heard the pure digital sound of a compact disc. It’s the HiSense 42-inch Long Life Plasma. Believe us, you will not forget it. Latest Generation plasma panel with 3000:1 contrast ratio. Sky-high 1000 cd/m2 brightness. 1024 x 768 native HD resolution. Widescreen 16:9 format. Combined with extraordinary digital picture enhancement technologies such as Motion Adaptive De-Interlace and Film Mode, allows this set creates vividly realistic images that command the viewer’s rapt attention. Advance feature set includes: PIP, Split Screen, Freeze Frame, Multi Brand Universal Remote Control and DVI Input w/ HDCP decoder for DIRECT DIGITAL FEED from HDTV sources. Lots of other brands DVI inputs are only for PCs! Razor thin 3.3-inch bezel. Features a true HDTV experience with a massive widescreen display. Comes in stylish, functional two-tone cabinet. Gorgeous black bezel edge enhances contrast and draws viewers in. One of the world’s leading entries into the new Long Life category of plasma displays. Includes Multi-Brand Universal Remote control, table stand and speakers. Simply unforgettable. The HiSense 42-inch Long Life Plasma Display.

Features

Widescreen 16:9 Format
Advanced circuitry to de-interlace old analog interlace signals to progressive digital
Scaling Circuitry that takes old 4:3 format and fills to 16:9 or widescreen
PIP Picture in picture feature
POP Picture on Picture for side by side viewing of 2 sources with adjustable aspect ratio
Digital Freeze Frame like taking a photo of any moment on TV
10 Watt per channel HSE (Hisense Sonic Enhancement circuit) Stereo Speaker system, with 20 watts of total power
Detachable Side mount Speakers
Table Top Stand included
Multi-brand, multi-function remote control pre-programmed to work with most cable, satellite, VCR and DVD player/recorders. Has a total of 3000 user codes.
User friendly Advanced 3-D, 256 color on screen menu system

Anyone have first hand knowledge of this brand or even better of the actual unit? Sure seems like a good deal but thats on paper =)

Thanks,

Scott

Crazy Eyes

08-29-05, 05:20 PM

Are you buying this online or in a store?

Per Hisense's info on my LCD's warranty page "No authorized dealers are allowed to sell the products plasma display monitors on the Internet, through an online retailer or any similar e-tailing website."

If it is online - you might call Hisense and verify if you will have a warranty if you purchase it online.

Their # 888-935-8880

memikee

08-29-05, 06:26 PM

I ordered one 13 Aug from Tiger. Still waiting 'cuz they totally screwed up their delivery system. Near impossible to find out anything about it and not very trusting of reviews at a reseller's website but...

Had a nice, enjoyable, long talk w/ the technicians at Hisense (called to complain about the screwed up website - can't download, e-mail didn't work). Gave specs on Panel (latest Samsung - also used in the Phillips [i think]). I have the TL3220 LCD and the features are solid so I think the plasma should have the same level of picture.

Latest from Tiger, will ship Friday

If I don't post back w/results, either I never got it or I'm enjoying it too much.

-mike

(PS TigerDirect is an (the only) authorized dealer

Hersh007

08-29-05, 10:58 PM

Great! I eagerly await a review =)

Q&A

08-30-05, 10:20 AM

I look forward to the review too!

It seems like a great deal at this price. I don't understand why we don't see more people here interested in this set.

Good luck!

gotrees

09-07-05, 03:33 PM

memikee

09-07-05, 03:37 PM

It shipped at 1am friday. is supposed to be delivered this friday.

gotrees

09-07-05, 09:05 PM

There's a tigerdirect store here in Chicago. If I can get my dish installed tomorrow or Friday, I'll just go down and pick one up -- supposedly they are in stock. In any case, I'll be curious to hear what you think. I'm sure I'll be blown away no matter what since this is my first plasma so I'd like to hear a more educated opinion.

maximum360

09-07-05, 09:06 PM

Cool. I might have to check this out.

memikee

09-07-05, 10:25 PM

They had a second price cut so that should help!

memikee

09-09-05, 01:43 AM

Well I got it a day early so got to try it out on the game. Overall impression: glad I got it, no real complaints (but after a few days I might start to notice the "little" things)

Box wasn't that heavy, probably could have come ups, not truck

Screen is a bit heavy, might want to get help setting it up. If you can get it out of the box by yourself, you should be OK (why don't they put handholds on these?).

Instructions - basically none. Hard to read and squat for pictures. The two little stands are for the speakers unless you want the speakers side-mounted to the set (or use a stereo). The two metal parts go into the base and are held w/ the self tapping screws. The base slides into the bottom of the tv and are held with machine screws. Seems pretty stable.

I'm using a DTV H10 HD receiver (now I can see its shortcomings). First tried the component cables. picture looked great on 1080i, 720p, and dvd player. Immediately lowered the brightness for the 100 hr break-in and the color got yucky, picked up a very red cast, especially on the non-HD channels. Messed w/color controls and got it in the ballpark then tried the HDMI DVI-D cable (for audio through the speakers, you need an adapter to a mico plug, like on your headset, fortunately had one). Color much better on all channels.

I'll wait to calibrate after the initial break-in when I'll bump up the brightness a tad.

The view angle is great. Can get way off to the side and the picture still looks solid.

Tried the picture w/ a Voom tuner for OTA and dicovered the H10 was causing the picture to look blurry on non-HD channels and oversaturation on the colors. The Voom box looked outstanding. in the menu there is an advanced option where noise reduction, low angle, Maoi, film... a bunch of stuff that's supposed to sharpen the picture. Turned them all on and they helped a lot.

Bottom-line. Before I get it calibrated, this is as good as any picture I've seen on any screen less than $3000. I anticipate it will be better after the break-in. The speakers sound fine, I haven't tried them at high volume yet. There are Ant, AV, SVideo, component, DVI-D, and svga inputs.

I like the looks, I like the picture. If after watching for a while, I start noticing things, I'll get back with ya.

cheers,
Mike

mmans

09-09-05, 09:49 AM

memikee - Sounds great. I have one on order also. It's in the "processing in wharehouse" stage. Hopefully It doesn't take a month to get here like yours did. I'll share my views once it here.

I do have a pdf copy of the manual if anybodys interested let me know and I can send it to you. The website link says "File not found." I'd post it here but I don't know how and since this is my first post I don't think I can.

Mike

ultracat

09-12-05, 10:20 AM

Hi all,

Mine shipped last week, should be here soon. I'll post a review once I get it setup and calibrated with DVE. Seems like a really sweet deal - this is the sort of price point I've been waiting for!

Anyone know what anti burn-in features this set has, if any?

j118418

09-13-05, 03:04 PM

Well I got it a day early so got to try it out on the game. Overall impression: glad I got it, no real complaints (but after a few days I might start to notice the "little" things)

...

cheers,
Mike

Hi Mike, Would you mind letting me know the width of the TV (Hisense TA42P-HDRA 4) without the speakers attached? I can't find this info anywhere - neither Tigerdirect nor Hisense reps were helpful enough to give me a definite answer.

I need to know whether I can fit the TV into a built-in closet before buying it.

Thanks -

JZ.

memikee

09-13-05, 06:40 PM

sure, it 40 and 7/8 inches wide wo speakers

and everyone who watched this weekend (including wife) love this screen. after all the games, several dvd's, & shows w/ logos - no ghosting, burn-in and superb resolution and color.

j118418

09-13-05, 09:49 PM

Thanks!

phantom203r

09-13-05, 10:38 PM

I've been keeping an eye on this set for a while, I know tha it is basicly a samsung, but wasn't sure about the quality.Can anyone post some pics when they have it all set up?Thanks

phantom203r

09-13-05, 10:41 PM

I found this site http://www.tradezone.com/tradesites/beautalent101.html showing that it has a samsung longlife panel and detailed spec if it helps anyone out.

j118418

09-14-05, 11:27 AM

Just put in an order through Tigerdirect. It was very troublesome to get the credit through and I had to call my bank twice. One odd thing: when my credit was rejected when ordering via the web, I called the Tigerdirect number that popped up and the guy on the other ends was friendly in helping me resubmit the oder. He couldn't get through the credit through either. So I called my bank. The odd things here is that the my credit history showed that the Tiger guy tried to charge $50 more to my credit card (and didn't tell me anything on the phone. This cannot be the next shipping upgrade, which should be something like $65 more). In hinsight, it could have costed me $50 more if he got my credit through! I suspect it was his commission and if it was, it is a bit dishonest.

Anyway, after already investing time on the issue, I decide to put in the order anyway, now with my fingers crossed.

JZ

memikee

09-14-05, 11:42 AM

i've bought much from tiger over the years and they've always been great - until this summer when they tried a new delivery system. i had a credit card problem but it wasn't the bank. tiger has an internal max amount requiring you to talk to their "people" to say its ok.

but after complaining about the delays, they did give me $100 back on shipping and dropped the price twice so i ended up saving $400 from my original order, i don't think the salesperson was out to cheat you, i think they're just screwed up right now.

hope they get their act together before Christmas

ultracat

09-14-05, 01:50 PM

Hi all,

Got mine last night and set it up. I ordered DVE online at the same time, but it hasn't come yet so I didn't really calibrate it (just tweaked it to my eye and eased off the torch mode settings). I hooked it up with component to my SA8300HD set to passthru. My viewing distance is about 7.5 feet. I watched House and that new show Bones, both on HD FOX. In short, I am VERY happy with this purchase. The PQ is excellent. I don't have a digital camera to show you, but just to describe it it is crystal clear, great colour saturation - better than film-like. This is not a $2500 picture quaility; it is the same quality picture as those other plasmas that are going for 4 grand.

I did have a bit of a heart attack this morning though. I left it on overnight on PBSHD zoomed in so the station logo is not visible; I'm trying to speed up my 100hr breakin. My PVR or the TV must have an autoshut-off feature because the feed was not running - the tv was powered on and blank/black and my PVR was off. I noticed what I thought was burn-in of my PVR navigator bar and also the tv setting menu (probably from playing around with it so much the night before). I freaked - ruined already! So, I threw the PBS feed back onscreen in zoom and had my morning shower. When I came back down about 20 minutes later I checked the screen again - no burn in - zero. Yay! It was just normal image retention.

I noticed also what an earlier poster said about using the component in on the tv - there is definitely some kind of red push. I've ordered a DVI cable and I'll see if it looks better hooked up to my 8300HD.

Also, just ordered a Harmony 880. For those of you looking for a better remote then the crap one that comes with this tv, I've confirmed that the Harmony supports this TV.

I'll post a better review once I've got it calibrated and know what I'm doing with it. For now, I'd say grab it while tiger is still selling them so cheap. It's friggin' awesome for the price, nothing beats it that I've seen.

Questions for other owners out there:

- I noticed some of the settings are not accessible. For example, I can adjust brightness and contrast, but not hue/tint (it's an option in the menu, it just won't let me access it). Are you experiencing the same thing? Any idea how to unlock this? Other locked settings for me are v-chip, that satellite icon whatever that does, PIP, and CC settings.

- the manual says there is a built-in pixel orbiter / shifter. It doesn't say how to turn it on or off. Is it always on? All their other features turn on and off (scaler / deinterlacer / 3:2 pulldown /etc.) Do you think they maybe just threw that in the manual to satisfy people but the panel doesn't really have the feature?

Q&A

09-14-05, 02:03 PM

Ultracat,

Congratulations on your purchase. I am glad to see that you like your new set. Please keep us posted of your opinion as you have more experience watching this set. Has anyone compared it to the other "value" plasmas, such as visio and Maxent?
I just wish they would make it in black...

phantom203r

09-14-05, 08:03 PM

mmans

09-14-05, 11:23 PM

My TV arrives tomorrow via ABF Freight System. Whats the standard procedure for getting delivery a plasma? I know to inspect the box for damage. Should I unpack and hook it up before I sign for it? I dont want to be rude to the delivery guy and make him wait for an hour while I test it out. Any suggestions?

memikee

09-15-05, 01:05 AM

ultracat

09-15-05, 09:40 AM

Congrats, did you try hooking up the xbox yet if you did how did it look.

I've still got the xbox hooked to my old SD CRT. I've got the plasma on a 24hr DVD loop until this weekend to break it in. I wouldn't dare hookup a game system to a plasma for the first 100hrs. I'll let you know once it's hooked up, but I'm not expecting much from it based on the differences in watching 480p vs. HD television (I see big differences). What I'm really waiting for is the HD xbox360 to come out.

ultracat

09-16-05, 10:31 AM

Trying the different remote functions, v-chip works w/ avi and s-video but not component or dvi. Likewise, the some of the color control options are available in some view modes but not others. I haven't called hisense for the factory code but i suspect the orbiter control is in there.

Thanks Memikee, that's what I see too. As long as it's "normal" for this set, I'm ok with it. I just wanted to be sure I didn't have a wonky factory setup on my particular set.

Another question for owners out there - I tried last night to hook up my SA8300HD via HDMI-DVI cable. I'm getting a solid black or green bar on the extreme right of the picture on HD channels. Do you think this is the cable, the STB, or the TV's input/scaler? I'm hoping it's not the TV's handling of the input that's messing it up. I'm going to try replacing the cable and if that doesn't work replacing the STB (I rent it) - but if anyone has any experience that will allow me to skip all that I'd really appreciate it!

memikee

09-16-05, 10:46 AM

ultracat

09-16-05, 02:27 PM

How big of a bar? I have no bars on any of the four sides. There is a feature to move the screen up/dn/lt/rt. Maybe you can shift it a few clicks over? I use a $10 e-bay hdmi-dvi cable. Just finishing up color calibrating and I have no complaints. Don't think I'll spend $$$$ on the good cables (but I have a very short run - 3' - so that might also affect the signal quality)

Thanks for trying to help. I found the setting you are talking about and this allowed me to move the green bar off the screen, but I can't seem to get it exactly centered (when the bar is gone on one side, it is there on the other side). Do you mind telling me your up/down/left/right settings on the DVI input?

Also, even when the color bar (green on the right / orange on the left if it shows) disappears there is still a small 1/16" black line on the right side of the screen. If I go up really close to it, I don't see any pixels there. This is true if I swich to all the different inputs (which otherwise look ok). I'm thinking that they may have mounted the panel 1/16th of an inch to the left off-centre in manufacturing. I don't know if it's worth taking back though, it's not all that noticable...I'll have to think about it a bit - it'll be a lot of effort to ship it back and get a replacement shipped. Have you inspected your's really close up? Let me know if you see any imperfections like this. I didn't notice it at first, but now that I have it seems to be catching my eye.

You know those black strips buffering the edge of the plastic frame and the start of the plasma panel? How wide are yours? Mine are 0.5". If mine were only a smidgen wider I wouldn't see this stuff.

memikee

09-16-05, 04:38 PM

ultracat,

i checked real close and do not have any bars, lines, or blank pixels in dvi or s-video modes. every pixel on the screen is working. i never noticed the 1/2" inner bezel before because it blends into the outer bezel but i do have it.

mmans

09-16-05, 05:17 PM

Got mine this afternoon. I haven't had much time to enjoy it, except for few minutes of HDNET, then it was back to work. I did have one problem, it seems the 720p output on my charter MOXI cable box isn't compatible with the TV (1080i works). The screen keeps flashing on and off. For the brief second that its on it looks all scrambled. I searched the MOXI thread and it seems the problem is common with Samsung TVs and Motorola converters. Anyone else have this setup and/or notice a problem?

memikee

09-16-05, 09:58 PM

ultracat,

according to avia disk
for s-video have: for dvi
brightness: 79 78
contrast: 59 59
saturation: 48 60
sharpness: 4

can't get at the centering menu to read values with these options

phantom203r

09-16-05, 11:41 PM

I've still got the xbox hooked to my old SD CRT. I've got the plasma on a 24hr DVD loop until this weekend to break it in. I wouldn't dare hookup a game system to a plasma for the first 100hrs. I'll let you know once it's hooked up, but I'm not expecting much from it based on the differences in watching 480p vs. HD television (I see big differences). What I'm really waiting for is the HD xbox360 to come out.
Can't wait for the xbox360 either, thats why I've been looking at this plasma. Keep me posted with your results.

SPK8000LG

09-17-05, 04:02 AM

When anyone runs an Xbox tro this let me know how it works out. The price on this thing is unbeatble. IF u guys have nothing bad to say ill order one tomrrow after work.

SPK8000LG

09-17-05, 11:19 AM

Thing im worried about is ghosting. Being a chaper big Plasma. Anyone who owns it can chime in?

memikee

09-17-05, 12:56 PM

not a hint of burn-in. only time i notice any ghosting is immediately after shutting it off and the room is dark. disappears as it cools down.

ultracat

09-17-05, 07:51 PM

When anyone runs an Xbox tro this let me know how it works out. The price on this thing is unbeatble. IF u guys have nothing bad to say ill order one tomrrow after work.

I've hooked up my xbox via HD pack component cables. I set the xbox to 480p, 720p, and 1080i output, all in 16x9 widescreen. I put in a copy of the new Rainbow Six: Lockdown and it looked good. Then I tried Mechassault 2: Lone Wolf which is made in 16:9 and it looked even better. Keep in mind that most xbox games are 480p, so it won't be as mind blowing as the first time that you watch 720p/1080i HDTV. It does look good though - no distortion of the image in widescreen mode. Between the tv and the in-game settings, you can get the brightness just right for each game. I haven't done this, but you can also use the xbox's dvd player to calibrate the plasma specifically for the xbox using DVE or Avia. One thing I like about this plasma is that you can calibrate each input (s-video, DVI, component, etc.) separately. So you have control to tune each input perfectly to each input device.

Hope that helps.

ultracat,

according to avia disk
for s-video have: for dvi
brightness: 79 78
contrast: 59 59
saturation: 48 60
sharpness: 4

can't get at the centering menu to read values with these options

Thanks Memikee, you're the best. I'm relieved to see you have the brightness levels up in the 70s like I do. I kept turning them lower worrying about how high brightness might contribute to burn in, but......

Thing im worried about is ghosting. Being a chaper big Plasma. Anyone who owns it can chime in?

......I'm happy to report no image retention or ghosting since my first goofball mistake (see earlier post of mine). I've been watching a lot of 4:3 content not stretched also, and I see no evidence of side bar burn-in or ghosting even. SPK8000LG please keep in mind that all plasmas (even expensive name brand ones), especially in the first couple hundred hours of use will have some very temporary ghosting if you're keeping it in torch mode. This always goes away after 30sec or a couple of minutes of viewing something else. Ghosting / image retention is considered normal for ALL plasmas and is very reversible. Also keep in mind that this unit has 4th generation (last year's model) long-life Samsung *brand name* glass, as well as a pixel orbiter function. The "cheap" part of the plasma isn't the plasma panel, it's the electronics inside (scaler, 3:2 pulldown, all that) and the assembly "made in China" - they get like $2/hr over there. And we used to think communism was bad lol....

Got mine this afternoon. I haven't had much time to enjoy it, except for few minutes of HDNET, then it was back to work. I did have one problem, it seems the 720p output on my charter MOXI cable box isn't compatible with the TV (1080i works). The screen keeps flashing on and off. For the brief second that its on it looks all scrambled. I searched the MOXI thread and it seems the problem is common with Samsung TVs and Motorola converters. Anyone else have this setup and/or notice a problem?

I've got a SA8300HD box, so it's a bit different than yours. However, I've been obsessing over different settings/connection combos over the last few days and I can tell you that at my viewing distance (7.5ft) there is no discernable difference between 720p and 1080i. So, you're not really missing anything : )

ultracat,

i checked real close and do not have any bars, lines, or blank pixels in dvi or s-video modes. every pixel on the screen is working. i never noticed the 1/2" inner bezel before because it blends into the outer bezel but i do have it.

Thanks for lookin' for me. Yeah, those Chinese factory workers definitely installed my PDP panel about 16th of an inch off-centre within the housing. Damn them! lol I could and should return it for an exchange, but after sitting back on my couch at my viewing distance and asking my girlfriend's opinion, we agree that it is not noticible unless you're staring at the extreme right edge of the panel - who does that when watching something? No one, not me anyway. I originally noticed this defect when inspecting my panel close up when trying to figure out the DVI problem. It's not an issue with component (which I'm now using). Yeah, my DVI's screwed. The picture itself is alright (looks the same as component to me), just there's always a line of garbage from the incoming signal either at the extreme top or side of the screen no matter how much I stretch or shift the image.

BUT, I searched this forum and Digital Home Canada (I'm in Toronto, Canada with Rogers Cable service) and found that this problem is known and widely experienced with the Rogers Cable SA8300HD PVR/STB. I called Rogers and they immediately cut me off and said they do not suppor the HDMI out on the PVR. As much as I don't like it, it means that most likely there's nothing wrong with the TV itself. So, that all said and done I'm keeping this tv for the wicked price I paid and putting in a pre-order for that xbox 360 :D

Thanks Memikee and others for your help and input! If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer...

SPK8000LG

09-17-05, 10:53 PM

ultracat

09-18-05, 04:26 PM

Cool im glad to read good news. But when i say ghosting i mean like in a game when a guy leave a trail behide them like motion blur I guess that dont happen ether? And if i was to plug my computer to this thing what res would i run to fill the screen? It says its 1024 x 768, That not wide screen. I understand this is from the plasma pixels being wonkey or somthing. But how does this effect the rez id need to run widescreen from a PC?

Thanks for the clarification on what you meant by ghosting - nope, no ghosting whatsoever using the xbox w/HD pack. As far as PC connection, sorry I don't know about that. I'm pretty sure if you search the forums though I've seen that question covered.

DJRSTwin

09-19-05, 01:10 PM

I picked up one of these at a Tiger Direct outlet store in suburban Chicago yesterday. I don't know much about Hisense but for the price I'm willing to take a risk. Unfortunately I didn't know (as well as the useless sales associate :mad: ) that there is more than one box that this unit comes in.

Imagine my disappointment when I got it home and all I had was a plasma display. No power cord, remote control, documents, stand or speakers.

Just wanted to warn everyone that this unit comes in more than one box and you can't count on the sales people at Tiger to know that.

I'll post a review once I go back to the store for the rest of my display. :)

ultracat

09-21-05, 09:07 AM

On the PC input, there's a setting in the menu called "phase" with a value of 0-10 (if I recall). I've played with this setting and don't see any change in the picture. The user manual doesn't really describe the function. Anyone have any idea what this does?

DJRSTwin

09-21-05, 01:53 PM

I went back to Tiger and got the rest of my monitor and I am very pleased with the picture quality. So far I have been limited to DVD and the built in SD tuner for content but I am going to have the Directv HD package installed this weekend so I will know more about high def display quality then.

The only issue so far is that there is a slight audio sync problem between the built in SD tuner and my home theater audio system. DVD playback seems fine. Anybody else notice this issue? It's not a big deal as after this weekend I don't ever plan on using the SD tuner again and it may just be an issue with my audio system.

Q&A

09-21-05, 02:34 PM

Are you saying this TV has a build in SD tuner? I had no idea. I researched tiger direct's website but didn't see any info about tuners, so I assumed it was just a monitor. Do they have a 50' set as well?

Thanks.

Avax

09-21-05, 11:58 PM

There is another thread on the 50" I think, but isn't on Tiger at the moment.

Anyway I am really close to ordering one of these (the 42"). My 15 year old Sony 32" direct view is crapping out.

Seems like Memikee, ultracat and DJRSTwin are happy so far. Like to hear more from you guys as you put more hours on the Hisense.

Hey, mmans how did things work out with the 720p sync issue?

No HDCP support might be an issue down the road though.

DJRSTwin

09-22-05, 01:13 PM

I was surprised to find the SD tuner on this model as well. I had not read anything about it anywhere and I wouldn't even have thought about it until I first turned it on and saw a faint fuzzy picture. I checked the back and found a coax connection so I connected my OTA antenna to it, switched to channel 7 and I was wheel watchin'. :eek:

I'll check back in after the HD Directv setup is installed this weekend.

ultracat

09-22-05, 03:36 PM

No HDCP support might be an issue down the road though.

There is HDCP on the DVI input. I've verified this with a SA8300HD PVR connected through a HDMI-DVI cable - in the diagnostic menu of the PVR it showed a HDCP authentication when connected via DVI.

elinkous

09-22-05, 06:50 PM

I have just bought one of these Hisense TA42P-HDRA Plasma TVs and an LG-LST350A HDTV Tuner. There is a built in DVD player with the tuner. I'm using the DVI connection for better video quality between the tuner and the PDTV but no sound. There are RCA-type audio out on the tuner but not sure where to input on the PDTV. No sound from either the AUDIO 1 or AUDIO 2 inputs when connected back to the tuner. Picture is great, but sound would be nice when switched to DVI from CATV. Sound is fine when in CATV mode (or TV1). Anyone else have this problem?

memikee

09-22-05, 08:25 PM

for sound w/dvi, you must use the mini plug which probably requires a rca to mini adapter or rca to mini patch cord.

j118418

09-22-05, 09:46 PM

Got mein today (thanks to memikee again for the dimension, it fits into my built in cabinet), unpacked & assembled in ~ 30-40min. So far, everying is great. I don't have a HD tunner yet, so can't tell you more.

JZ

Avax

09-22-05, 10:35 PM

There is HDCP on the DVI input. I've verified this with a SA8300HD PVR connected through a HDMI-DVI cable - in the diagnostic menu of the PVR it showed a HDCP authentication when connected via DVI.

Interesting, the earlier link http://www.tradezone.com/tradesites/beautalent101.html from phantom203r on the OEM model shows NO to HDCP (item 92).

But I am glad it is there and that there are more happy new owners showing up and posting positive reviews! :D

It would be great to see a side by side shootout with a Pio or Samsung.

I'm still on the fence. I have better places to spend the money, like fixing the front porch, replacing carpets, or brakes for my winter car. However, I'm leaning towards the Hisense :D

My wife keeps pointing out that there is all ready a 120" Front Proj 8" CRT in the same room, but yet I still think it needs a plasma too. Clearly more important than brakes, we don't need no stinkn' brakes.... I better order it before I come to my (hi?) senses. :) :rolleyes:

elinkous

09-23-05, 10:19 AM

Thanks for the information Memikee! I am also curious, since I'm quite the novice about this, how is the picture ratio set, when viewing from a DVD, so the whole screen is filled yet with no distortion? I can select WIDE, but it leaves a black bar at the top and bottom. Thought I would ask since you guys here seem to be the gurus for digital TV and more specifically on the Hisense model.

Q&A

09-23-05, 10:27 AM

Avax, I agree with you. It would be great to get a more in depth review and especially a side-by-side comparison with Pannys. Pios and Samsungs.
DJRSTwin, can you (or anyone else) comment on the SD picture. I have heard that Sammy plasmas don't do a very good job decoding SD.
Has anyone compared this set to other budget plasmas such as Vizio, Maxent, etc?

mmans

09-23-05, 11:11 AM

Hey, mmans how did things work out with the 720p sync issue?

720p still does not work with my cable box (Charter motorola Moxi). I've emailed Hisense about the issue. No reply so far. Someone else mentioned that they can't tell the difference between 1080i and 720p, so I guess all is well

DJRSTwin

09-23-05, 11:50 AM

Q&A,

The built in SDTV picture actually looks quite good. I only have a standard Directv picture to compare it to at the moment but it is better. There are three choices for display - wide screen, native aspect ration with black bars and a useless third type that just puts a tiny picture in the middle of the screen. The wide screen looks good, the distortion is hardly noticeable at all but I'm used to that as I have a wide-screen Mits and that thing looks awful by comparison. Just remember that you are taking a 480i picture and stretching it over 42", it's not going to be perfect.

I hooked up a progressive scan dvd player to the Hisense last night and the picture was awesome. I have only done some basic calibration so far. I have ordered the AVIA disk so I can't wait to see how much better I can get it.

As I stated before, I also have a Mits WS55511 and the picture on this thing blows it away. I watched Shrek with the kids last night and you would not believe the little things you notice. In most scenes early in the movie Shrek has flies buzzing all around him. You can see the individual hair strands on the characters. Very cool.

There are still a few small issues with the monitor. I can't seem to find a button on the remote to switch back to the SD tuner once I go to another input. I must bring up the TV/AV and cycle through to get back. There is a button for every input but no way to get back to the tuner. Additionally some of the menu items are poorly translated from Chinese to English.

dtjones

09-23-05, 01:26 PM

I have just gotten my 42" TA42P-HDRA from Tigerdirect. I have hooked it up for testing with an S-video cable to my cable box. When I watch the televison I get an intermittent "flash" or quick "flicker" on channels. HD or regular. I tried to plug the coax cable from the wall directly into the Hisense to see if this was a problem with the cable box, but I still get the intermittent 'flash' I do not see this 'flash' when I play a DVD or when I have my pc hooked up through DVI. Any idea's? Is this from the cable broadcast? or do you think it is a problem with the Hisense TV? If anyone else has had this problem with ANY plasma screen let me know so either I can just deal with it or send this TV back and get a different one.

memikee

09-23-05, 01:41 PM

elinkous - not all movies are a 16:9 ratio. if they're wider, bars will appear top/bott to maintain the original aspect ratio (also set the dvd player to widescreen)

dtjones - yeah, i do see an intermittent flicker. called hisense to see if its related to the orbiter function. they say no, its probably the source providing a bad conversion. am testing different sources, resolutions, etc to pin it down

mmans - to be honest, i can't tell any difference twix 720p and 1080i either.

djrst-win - i thought the manual said to return to tv, select a channel or channel up/dn? i don't use the tuner so can't remember

DJRSTwin

09-23-05, 03:31 PM

hmmm - read the manual? - I'll have to give that a try. :o

Actually I did read the manual and I didn't see that part but I really wasn't looking for it either. I'll check tonight.

As for the flicker part. I have noticed that it is super sensitive to loss of signal but nothing that has bothered me yet.

Avax

09-23-05, 08:44 PM

phantom203r

09-24-05, 07:31 PM

Could anyone comment on the black levels on the Hisense?

ultracat

09-24-05, 08:42 PM

dtjones - yeah, i do see an intermittent flicker. called hisense to see if its related to the orbiter function. they say no, its probably the source providing a bad conversion. am testing different sources, resolutions, etc to pin it down

hi,

just wanted to add my voice to this - I've seen the flicker too. I assumed it was just my cable feed / STB but tonight I was playing my XBOX in SD through a s-video cableand I got the same intermittent flicker. I think maybe it is an issue with the TV's scaler / deinterlacer or something. Anyone have any ideas on what might cause this? Is it fixable?

memikee

09-25-05, 02:31 AM

when i forced the source to output at 1080i, the flicker stopped. still testing...

jsupp

09-26-05, 08:20 AM

DJRSTwin

09-26-05, 11:45 AM

I've now had a chance to conduct some additional testing on the unit with Directv HD. I started out using the DVI cable provided from Directv and on most channels the picture was very good but on some I receive a thin white and black line at the very top edge of the screen along with some noticeable distortion. I switched over to the component cables and the picture is perfect. I'm not sure at this point if the problem is with the monitor, the HDMI to DVI cable or the Directv box. My money is on the cable and I may just go out and buy a high quality replacement for the cheap one that came with the Directv unit.

Now on to the flicker problem. Sure enough when watching Directv every so often I do notice a flicker. Not on any other input just Directv. As a test I recorded some content using Tivo and played it back. I got the flicker during playback. I didn't think to go back and replay the flickering parts to see if it was in the recording or "live". I'll check that out later. My thinking is that if it's in the recording then the problem must be with the feed. If it's "live" it must be an issue with the monitor.

Still happy with my purchase at this point. The picture quality on the component feed is excellent. I have the Avia disk and I started going through it last night but have not even scratched the surface yet on adjustments. I have a lot to learn.

memikee

09-26-05, 01:21 PM

i definetly do not get flicker if i set the directv hd-10 to 1080i, i didn't notice it at 480i/p either but didn't leave it long enough to make a definitive claim, but definetly get flicker at 720p or if the box is set to native. all signals look fine (including sports) at 1080i so thats my default and the problem is gone. it happens on dvi or s-video. didn't test other sources.

jsupp - asbsolutely no noise or buzz comes from unit. one station (OTA) has a metalic buzz occasionally, but it is the station. all users are complaining. i think the satellite option is for the antenna source signal.

gotrees

09-26-05, 02:27 PM

I got flicker on 720p coming from the directivo HR10-250 on DVI. I haven't experienced flicker with any other source, but I don't have any other 720p sources. If I rewinded the tivo to a spot that had just flickered, it wouldn't flicker again. It is clearly not the feed but either the cable or the monitor. There is no flicker at 1080i on DVI.

Unfortunately I'm in a temporary living situation and my home theater is in storage. I've got to use the speakers on the TV and my left speaker is bad. I don't want to drive all the way out to Naperville to replace it so I'm hoping HiSense will ship me a new one.

I have no buzz nor any image centering issues.

elinkous

09-26-05, 05:55 PM

:) After jumping through all the technical hoops to get the right settings with the right equipment (DVD, Tuner, etc.), the picture quality is supurb! I'm very satisfied with this display and for the price, I don't believe it can be topped!! I'm waiting on my HD antenna to arrive so I can try the "on air" HD feed from our local stations.

dtjones

09-27-05, 10:53 AM

I have the Hisense hooked up through the component inputs on the TV and displaying on 1080, 720 and 480 I DO NOT see the "FLICKER" anymore, I took memikee's advice and forced the display to 1080. And by the way, the TV picture looks AMAZING through the component inputs compared to the S-video (which I thought looked good too)
Now my dilemma is since I have used the component connections for connection between my cable box and TV I cannot hook up my DVD player through component!!!! (say good by to progressive scan!) I may have to settle for S-video for my DVD player.
Any ideas from you good folks on a different way to hook up things up so I can get the TV AND the DVD through the component inputs?

phantom203r

09-27-05, 11:08 AM

DJRSTwin

09-27-05, 02:04 PM

I'm having the same issue with too many component input devices. I've been looking at the AVT-5831 (http://www.avtoolbox.com/avt5831.shtml). It is an active switch and it is less expensive then most of the others I have found.

Now on to my final chapter on flicker. After reviewing more recorded 720p content I can report that the flicker is on the monitor not on the feed. When I replay scenes that flicker it does not reappear. Once I switched over to 1080i all of the flicker is now gone.

If anyone has received a response from Hisense on this issue I would be grateful if you could share it with the rest of us.

I just want to say that the flicker issue and all other issues so far have been minor things that do little to distract from the overall positive experience I have had with this monitor. The picture is absolutely brilliant.

danparker276

09-27-05, 07:22 PM

ultracat

09-27-05, 07:31 PM

I bought one of these TA42P-HDRA 42" TV's and I noticed that it has a faint "buzzing" coming from it when it is on. The 'buzz' changes in pitch when different video sources are chosen (ie: DVI or S-video). Anyone else notice this? You have to be standing up by the screen and put your head near the back of the set to hear it. A petty proplem you may say but after shelling out 1600 bucks I have the right to be I think. Dunno if this 'buzzing' is normal or not.

I noticed this buzz when I was up close to my set configuring it. I wondered if it was a sign something was gonna burn out / break soon or something. As usual with this board, now that I hear other people experience the same thing with the same model, my fears are gone. If we all have it, it's normal so don't worry about it. I don't know if other plasmas buzz, but I'm sure they do (probably a matter of noise shielding if they don't - all electronics buzz somewhat when they're on if not well soundproofed). It's completely inaudible from a few feet away so I'm not concerned. At this point I'm getting over my paranoia of having bought an unknown brand plasma for cheap. End of the day, this thing looks wicked with hdtv, movies, video games, so I'm cool with it.

I suppose it's a bit of a bummer about the flicker. It doesn't annoy me too much, but I guess it does a little when I notice it. I'm trying the 1080i solution now. If it works, that's another example of a minor inconvenience easily offset by getting such an awesome deal on a 1024x768 plasma that otherwise looks sweet as candy. I'll report back if it works or not for me and my setup. Also, I reported earlier that I experienced the flicker with my xbox, but it is important to note this was through s-video which only outputs 480i from the xbox. Once I get the xbox360 w/ component I will be able to force the 1080i output.

As far as component inputs, thanks all for the tips. I'm looking for one myself. It hasn't been mentioned but the one I'm looking at is the Audio Authority 1154A which does component and digital audio switching. You can get it at RAM, one of the forum sponsers for just over $200. If you don't already have an A/V receiver or are thinking about getting a new one, most will do component switching for ya. One I'm looking at is the reasonably priced THX certified Pioneer
VSX-1015TXK which you can find new for under $400 bucks and which has multiple digital audio and component inputs and built-in switching.

ultracat

09-27-05, 07:50 PM

I didn't see this thread till later, but i asked what will look better for dark xbox360 games, the Hisense TA42P-HDRA or a panny ETV for around $1400. The people who responded both said the Panny. I was really leaning towards the Hisense TA42P-HDRA, but I'm not sure now.

The people who answered you have no point of comparison. I'm sure none of them who say how great the panny is have actually seen the hisense. What I would do if I were you is just wait. Wait until the 360 comes out and watch these threads for actual reviews from people. Better yet, wait until you have a 360 in hand, then buy one plasma or the other and try it out for yourself. If you don't like it, return it and try the one you didn't buy. I would start with the hisense, only because the pannys are for sale all over. If you have the 360 and the hisense at your home you can try it out for your own eyes. Then take your 360 into a bestbuy or something, tell them you're interested in the panny and see if they'll let you hook up the 360 to it. If the hisense looks better then keep it, if not return it and buy the panny. my two cents...

ultracat

09-28-05, 01:20 PM

wow, sorry all, my third post in a row but I think this may help some of you...

You may have noticed that on component or DVI input certain items (e.g. the "satellite" or "tint") may be locked out so you can't access or change that particular setting on that particular input.

Cycling through the various inputs, I find that some inputs provide access to certain things that you cannot access on other inputs. To access the "restricted" menu item on a certain input do the following:

1. switch to the input where you do have access to the menu item you are interested in

2. press "menu"

3. highlight that menu item

4. press "menu" again so the menu disappears

5. immediately switch to the input that has the menu item "restricted"

6. press "menu" again

You should now have access to that previously restricted menu item on the current input. Note, you have to do this every time you try to access a "restricted" menu item.

I used this trick to get access to the computer settings (i.e. position) on the YPbPr input. The computer settings are accessible on the "Input PC" input, then I do the above with switching to the YPbPr input and I get access.

p.s. the forced 1080i solution seems to be working - no jitter watching tv all night last night! Thanks memike.

DJRSTwin

09-28-05, 02:33 PM

Thanks ultracat

I'll give that a try tonight. I've been using the Avia disk and I can't access the hue setting on component input so that should take care of that for me.

memikee

09-28-05, 05:56 PM

I got a call from Jeff at tech support, can't call him back now but I'll pass on whatever I can find out.

gotrees

09-28-05, 07:54 PM

Just an update on my bad speaker. Jeff shipped out new speakers to me today. HiSense has been responsive and they even knew who I was when I called based on an email I had sent them earlier in the day.

memikee

09-28-05, 08:48 PM

Yeah the service is nice and personal. Once the number of users pick up, it'll drop off but unitl then - enjoy.

cctex823

10-02-05, 10:54 PM

does anyone have a measurement for the stand base? I just want to know if it's too wide to fit on my stand

I saw this TV in the tiger direct catalog and it looked too good to be true! Especially after reading all the glowing reviews in this thread.

memikee

10-03-05, 02:22 AM

base is 34" across

DJRSTwin

10-03-05, 03:50 PM

Over the weekend I hooked up the XBOX and tried a couple of the 720p games that you can download using Live Arcade. The games looked good and the monitor didn't have any problems with the display. No lag was notice on 720p or 480p games. Some of the old XBOX games had trouble displaying properly along the edges but all games that supported 720p looked good.

The only other issue encountered was the 720p flicker. The XBOX cannot upconvert to 1080i so there isn't much that can be done for this generation but I'm hoping that the 360 will allow for upconverting otherwise I guess my next gen game play will flicker every once in a while.

phantom203r

10-03-05, 07:12 PM

DJRSTwin

10-04-05, 12:13 PM

phantom203r,

I'm not the best person to ask about black levels. Even though this is my second HDTV I'm still kind of a novice on tweeking the picture. To me it looks black. When I adjust the brightness to the proper levels on the AVIA disk the shadows look good and the parts that should be black appear black.

I put in some more games last night and all played well. The problems I had with old 480p games appear to only effect EA games. The rest of the games that I have look fine. Halo 2 is awesome.

ultracat

10-04-05, 09:17 PM

The only other issue encountered was the 720p flicker. The XBOX cannot upconvert to 1080i so there isn't much that can be done for this generation but I'm hoping that the 360 will allow for upconverting otherwise I guess my next gen game play will flicker every once in a while.

I thought you could tell the xbox which input resolutions your tv can take in the dashboard when using the HDTV pack. When I set mine up I chose 480i, 480p, 1080i, and 720p (i.e. all of them). Could you not "trick" it and leave everything out except 1080i? This is what I did with my SA8300 to get rid of the flicker. I'm seeing the flicker right now on my xbox and it is annoying (I think it's outputting 480i though).

For all new nextgen games, I hope the 360 will let you choose the output resolution!

Nice to hear that the games look good on the plasma. How are the black levels, is it more like a dark gray or a natural black?

I definitely wouldn't call it dark gray. I've calibrated mine with DVE and they are easily "true" blacks. What I do notice though is that it's a bit harder to make out fine details in really dark objects on this plamsa compared to my old CRT. This is my first HDTV and first plasma, so I'm not sure if it's a plasma issue or it's just this TV. I find if I up the brightness a notch or two in the in-game settings (I don't mess with the TV settings b/c I like them for other input devices the way they are) then dark areas become more discernable. This is a bit of a downside when playing really dark games like Splinter Cell.

phantom203r

10-04-05, 09:57 PM

Thanks for the input DJRSTwin and ultracat, I think I'm going to wait until I get my xbox360 before I order the plasma. For the price point it still seems like the plasma of choice for my gaming pleasure.

Since you can force the xbox360 to out put 1080i or 720p it should(cross our fingers) take care of the flicker problem with one of those settings.

SPK8000LG

10-05-05, 03:32 AM

So what up with this flicker? Are you saying this TV can not display DVI with out a flicker? Thats not good!!!

ultracat

10-05-05, 10:18 AM

So what up with this flicker? Are you saying this TV can not display DVI with out a flicker? Thats not good!!!

Yeah, it's the biggest downsides of this particular set IMO. Personally, I experience a noticable image "flicker" every few minutes when watching XBOX at 480i through s-video and DTV/HDTV at 720p using component. Keep in mind this is not a constant flickering or fluttering. It is a single "flick" of the image every few minutes. The set is watchable with the flicker, how much it annoys you will depend on you and your threshold for these types of things.

I have not seen flicker at 1080i using component for DTV/HDTV. I only played xbox with component for a few minutes before switching it to s-video, so I haven't really had a chance to try to tweak the xbox output. Interestingly, I do NOT see any flicker when watching my DVD player at 480i through s-video. I don't use DVI because only my SA8300 PVR has that output (HDMI-DVI) and I've had issues with that (not related to the TV) so I don't use DVI.

Thank god 1080i looks fine otherwise I definitely would return this TV. In effect, the flicker makes it a functional 1080i only HDTV. So far, I could care less about not having 720p - everything looks just as good in 1080i including source material that's native 720p and fast action stuff like sports broadcasts.

SPK8000LG

10-05-05, 11:58 AM

so all i have to do is put the tv on force 1080 mode or somthing along them lines?

DJRSTwin

10-05-05, 02:44 PM

so all i have to do is put the tv on force 1080 mode or somthing along them lines?

That's correct. As long as you can get your device to produce a 1080i output you are good to go with no worries about the flicker.

SPK8000LG

10-05-05, 10:06 PM

What about older game consoles put tro Svideo? I really would liek to know more about this flicker before i buy. Does HiSense have any plans to fix it?

slh888

10-06-05, 10:58 PM

From this thread, I knew there are little problems with this set. I just want to know, as an owner, are you still pleased with your purchase?

dtjones

10-07-05, 12:42 AM

I have had the Hisense for over 2 weeks now and I am very happy with it. I have my digital cable box hooked up to it component and it looks great. I have my Mac mini hooked up to the DVI input and it looks great. DVD's look great too. Ran the 'ol Video Essentials disc through it to set up teh video and I really dig the TV. I cannot wait until ALL televison shows are broadcast in HDTV!

elinkous

10-09-05, 05:25 PM

I too am very satisfied with the Hisense! Great quality and excellent picture! After getting to "know" the system, navigating around is a snap and actually thinking of getting another. Thanks to all that help me during the initial setup and learning curve I had to overcome in order to get familar with the features. :)

DJRSTwin

10-09-05, 11:09 PM

Count me as a happy customer as well. I think most of the issues are due to the fact that for me at least I have never had a plasma tv before and it is a different beast than the CRT type units that I have had in the past.

I can report that I have solved another issue that I had in the past. When I first got HD Directv I saw some distortion along the top of the screen with the DVI connection. It turns out the issue was with the Directv box and not with the Hisense. So the only real issue is the 720p flicker and as everyone has pointed out this can be overcome by switching to 1080i.

I've had the TV for three weeks now and I am loving it.

memikee

10-10-05, 11:51 AM

DJRSTwin - did you get a new box to fix the distortion?

DJRSTwin

10-11-05, 12:15 PM

I tracked down the problem by having a friend bring over a monitor with a DVI input and his own cable. When we hooked it up to the Directv box I saw the same distortion on his monitor.

I'm just going to stick with the Directv box for now as the component is fine and I'm going to have to switch out the box when they move to MPEG4 early next year anyway. I'm counting on that to be a free switch but haven't heard anything official yet.

ultracat

10-11-05, 02:06 PM

Hi all,

Just wanted to report that I've recently upgraded my A/V receiver to a Pioneer VSX-1015. This receiver does component switching and also "upconverts" other input (s-video, composite) to component output. In other words, I have component and s-video running in and only a single out (component) to the TV.

My biggest flicker issue used to be with my XBOX on s-video direct into the TV. Now when I run s-video through the receiver into the TV the flicker is gone.

I'm not exactly sure how this works because the receiver doesn't upconvert the signal (i.e. to 1080i). It just lets you use s-video in / componet out on the same line.

Still flickers at 720p though...

SPK8000LG

10-12-05, 01:06 AM

Can anyone more chime in on this flicker?

seememom

10-13-05, 09:10 AM

Q&A

10-13-05, 10:29 AM

Has anyone compared this set to other popular brands? If so, how does it stack up against major brand names like Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung, etc. How about budget models like Maxent and Vizio?

I went to CC and BB last weekend and too my eyes, I thought the Pio had the best picture, followed closely by the Panny. Next came the Hitachi with pic quality that was pretty close. There was a wider gap between the Hitachi and LG, Samsung and Philips, which seemed to have a less sharp or focused picture and the blacks were not as black as the Pio or Panny. Where would the Hisense stand?

I just got the print advert. for MicroCenter and they now have the 42' Hisense. I am not sure if it is the same model though. For some reason it is not on their website.

Thanks!

ultracat

10-14-05, 12:13 PM

A question for Ultracat:

How long does it take for this TV to detect 1080i/480i when switching between SD and HD channels on your rogers box?

The reason I ask is that a friend bought the AKAI from costco and although the picture is great it takes about 5 seconds when you switch from an SD channel to an HD channel (he has the 3250HD box but they should be similar).

Thanks in advance

I've got my SA8300HD set to Upconvert-1, which converts all 480i/p to 480p, and 1080i/720p to 1080i. I don't really notice the time between 480p and 1080i channels - it's about 1-2 secs. It's faster than when it's set to pass-thru, which is more like 3 secs between 480i, 720p and 1080i.

I tend to watch SD content on the HD channels, so that's even faster because the signal stays 1080i. To me, the SD picture quality looks the same whether I watch it on a SD channel or a HD channel.

There was a wider gap between the Hitachi and LG, Samsung and Philips, which seemed to have a less sharp or focused picture and the blacks were not as black as the Pio or Panny. Where would the Hisense stand?

This is of course very subjective but IMO the Hisense is grouped with the LG/Samsung overall (although people keep talking about blacks, I think the blacks on the Hisense look as black as I'd expect from a plasma). It is not in league with the overall PQ of the Pio or Panny (or NEC which I've looked at). Since you're not giving model numbers, I'm assuming you're comparing 768p models to each other, and not the Hisense vs. some of those brands' EDTVs. That said, it's a matter of cost/benefit. The Panny has better PQ (particularly colour saturation is what I notice) but the Hisense does look good on its own in my living room. The big question: how much are you willing to pay for a slightly better PQ? The difference in PQ between the Hisense and, say, a Panny is not earth-shattering the way HDTV plasma looks compared to CRT SD television for example. If you want "the best" there's no way you're going to buy the Hisense (I sure wouldn't). However, I sure WOULD (and did) buy a pretty good plasma in the Hisense for about 60% of what an ED Panny or NEC would have cost me at retail. Hope that helps....

One more thing - calibration and environmental lighting is very important! You're not likely seeing its effects in the showrooms (which is where I did my comparison shopping also). I did a DIY calibration on my Hisense after the breakin period and to my and my girlfriend's eyes the Hisense looks "stunning" with HD content at 1080i.

seememom

10-14-05, 07:14 PM

Thanks for the info! In that case I think it's worth keeping the Akai. This is definitely also a nice set, saw it at the Tigerdirect store a few days ago. I don't know how or why the Pioneer would have fixed your TV's problem, but it is a great receiver.

free4me

10-19-05, 08:26 AM

what is the phase setting do??? I cant tell any change.....

memikee

10-19-05, 04:23 PM

I recorded a 1080i broadcast on my computer, converted it, put in on DVD and when it is played in my DVD player, I am blown away by the quality! Absolutely the best image I've ever seen on my plasma. The screen is better than I ever thought.

dr_bunsen

10-24-05, 04:47 PM

Can anyone tell me whether the power supply for the Hisense is full range 110Vac to 240Vac? I would like to take the plasma back to the UK when my contract finishes here in the USA.

DJRSTwin

10-24-05, 04:56 PM

Can anyone tell me whether the power supply for the Hisense is full range 110Vac to 240Vac? I would like to take the plasma back to the UK when my contract finishes here in the USA.

According to the manual it says Power source: 120VAC, 60Hz.

dr_bunsen

10-27-05, 06:09 PM

Thanks for the reply on power, but the manual is probably specific to the States and will talk about 120Vac, but I'm hoping the set itself has a full range transformer. Probably on the plasma itself near where the power cord goes in there will be a label that says what voltage and frequency the set can handle. Can anyone take a look without disturbing stuff too much?

I noticed an earlier post about a delay between the video and audio when using a cinema amp with this plasma. Anyone else witnessed this?

free4me

10-28-05, 01:15 AM

what does the phase setting do??? I cant tell any change..... anyone????

DJRSTwin

10-28-05, 11:44 AM

what does the phase setting do??? I cant tell any change..... anyone????

Well the manual is of no help on this but I did find some information on a Sony plasma phase setting and it reads as follows.

Phase: Optimizes the scan converter sampling phase to the input signal.

I have no clue on how adjusting that will help or hurt so best guess it to leave it alone.

DJRSTwin

10-28-05, 11:46 AM

I noticed an earlier post about a delay between the video and audio when using a cinema amp with this plasma. Anyone else witnessed this?

I posted earlier about the delay between the video and audio. After many many more hours of viewing I can report that there is no problem here. It must have been something in the actual network feed and not on the monitor.

Adam Paul

10-31-05, 11:41 PM

Hi all...

Just took my Hisense out of the box and hooked it up...

I am much impressed indeed!

A couple of questions:

I'm a newbie (never owned a plasma before!). From reading this forum, a couple of things stick out at me: the 100 hour 'burn-in' period, and the calibration that needs to be done afterwards.

1) From what I've read, the TV should be on continuously for 100 hours at a low brightness level. I've turned the brightness and contrast all the way down, and flipped through several DVDs. The problem is that every one seems to cut off the top and bottom of the picture with a black horizontal line. I don't mind its presence when I'm watching a movie, but I'm concerned that if I leave the DVD on for 100 hours at a continuous loop, the black lines will burn into the screen. Is there an alternative solution?

2) Where do I get these calibration settings? Is there some ideal list of settings the Hisense should be at?

3) I have an HD tuner that I rent from my cable company. When it's hooked up to the Hisense with component cables, there are a couple of faint purple horizontal lines that travel up the screen continuously. I was afraid this might be a problem with the TV, but the lines do NOT appear to be there when the box is disconnected and the DVD is hooked up to the TV through the component cables. Clearly, there's some kind of interference. Anyone have any suggestions? There is nothing else plugged into the TV except the HD box and the speakers.

4) Is there a link to some kind of primer for people who really know nothing about HDTV...not information about technical specs, how it works, etc...but some kind of guide to how to set your TV for maximum enjoyment/efficiency?

I'm sure I'll have more queries later...thanks so much for your help.

ultracat

11-01-05, 01:17 PM

1) From what I've read, the TV should be on continuously for 100 hours at a low brightness level. I've turned the brightness and contrast all the way down, and flipped through several DVDs. The problem is that every one seems to cut off the top and bottom of the picture with a black horizontal line. I don't mind its presence when I'm watching a movie, but I'm concerned that if I leave the DVD on for 100 hours at a continuous loop, the black lines will burn into the screen. Is there an alternative solution?

I would turn the brightness and contrast up from zero. I think you want some image being displayed. Try putting both around 30 to 45. Does your DVD player have a "zoom" feature that allows you to fill the whole screen? That's what I used. Yes, if you play a DVD for 100 hrs with static black bars you will most likely get some burn-in or at least the beginnings of burn-in, so I wouldn't recommend that. If you can't do your burn-in with DVD, does your cable box have a zoom feature? If not, try tuning into HDPBS. PBS has a lot of HD content so the majority of what is broadcast will fill the screen.

2) Where do I get these calibration settings? Is there some ideal list of settings the Hisense should be at?

Not really, it will depend on your setup, the kind of room/lighting you have, the kind and quality of the input devices (DVD player, cable box, etc.)

You need to buy yourself a DVD called "The AVIA Guide to Home Theatre" (I think that's its name anyway) - everyone on here just calls it AVIA. A slightly cheaper alternative is a DVD called "Digital Video Essentials" or DVE on this message board. You can buy either at an online web store or eBay. If you live in a big city, you may be able to borrow it from your local library if they have it. When you play one of these discs, it will take you through various test patterns that allow you to optimize your settings.

Also, and I only say this in case you are a real newbie, make sure you are connecting everything with component or DVI cables. Do not use composite or even s-video. Also, make sure your devices (DVD player, satellite box, video game console, etc.) are set to output in HD or at least progressive scan.

3) I have an HD tuner that I rent from my cable company. When it's hooked up to the Hisense with component cables, there are a couple of faint purple horizontal lines that travel up the screen continuously. I was afraid this might be a problem with the TV, but the lines do NOT appear to be there when the box is disconnected and the DVD is hooked up to the TV through the component cables. Clearly, there's some kind of interference. Anyone have any suggestions? There is nothing else plugged into the TV except the HD box and the speakers.

Are you using the same set of cables as the DVD player? Please confirm that you have eliminated the possibility that the cables from the tuner are faulty. Try wiping off the interconnects with a little rubbing alcohol on a q-tip. If you rent your cable box, you can have the cable company swap it out for a new one. Also, make sure your tuner is set to upconvert all output to 1080i. Aside from that, I'm not sure, but I think lines like that indicate something's faulty at the source or signal path. Do you have a "clean" power source (i.e. a monster or other brand clean power supply)?

4) Is there a link to some kind of primer for people who really know nothing about HDTV...not information about technical specs, how it works, etc...but some kind of guide to how to set your TV for maximum enjoyment/efficiency?

AVIA and DVE give you good overviews. I learned everything I know from AVS forum LOL! Here is a good FAQ about all things HDTV:

http://www.digitalhomecanada.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=30

Could you please list your setup/equipment in your signature (like mine)? It helps everyone who gives you advice.

Adam Paul

11-03-05, 03:10 AM

Ultracat --

Thank you so much for responding. Little by little I hope to make progress!

1) I couldn't find a zoom feature on either the cable box, the HD-over-the-air box, or the DVD player. Because the over-the-air box had the purple line interference problem and the DVDs didn't fill the entire screen, I elected to keep the TV on a standard cable TV station (non-HD) for the duration of the 100 hours. it fills the entire screen so there's no black bar issue, nor does the station have a logo or news ticker, so it should fit the bill.

As for the brightness and contrast, I had had it running at a level of about 20, and figured burn in might be a problem if the picture was too dark, so I made sure to keep it on a fairly bright channel (sports, rather than movies). Still, i didn't realize it could be as high as 30 - 45...I've bumped it up on your suggestion, and now I can watch it. yay!

2) I went to both a Blockbuster and a Tower here in NYC in search of the AVIA or the DVE...neither had it, unfortunately. Is the only alternative to buy one of these things, which seem prohibitiively expensive? And what exactly do I gain by using it anyway?

I am indeed a complete newbie...the wires I have hooked up are Yb/Yc/P (or whatever the exact designation is -- with the red, green and blue wires), for the cable box. Unless I missed something on the back of the TV, there is only ONE such set of ports (are these called COMPONENT or COMPOSITE?) The rest of the equipment (HD box and DVD player) would presumably have to be hooked up through standard RCA cables, no?

3) The cables I used for the DVD are indeed the same ones I used for the HD box and the cable box. The DVD works fine with no interference. The HD box gets purple vertical lines running through the screen. The cable box works fine on some channels (one of which i'm using for the burn-in as we speak), but on others, there is a lot of static/snow. I don't know if all of this is caused by the HD box and the cable box being situation on top of another tv (which is disconnected)?

4) Thank you for the link to the FAQ! It was very helpful.

I'm not sure how to modify my signature, if you could let me know, it would be great. In the meantmie, I'm running a HiSense TA42PHD42-A with a Motorola cable box, a Motorola HD box, a standard progressive scan DVD player, and a bunch of those blue, green and red wires.

Thanks for your help

ultracat

11-03-05, 09:48 AM

1) That should work fine. Also, you may have heard this or not, but the general rules for plasma burn in are: First 100 hours be very cautious, for the next 1000 hours of usage be cautious (not paranoid! - use as normal tv, just avoid long stretches of static images. vary your viewing habits), and after that you should be ok to treat it pretty much like a normal tv (as long as you don't leave a static image on it for something crazy like 12+ hours). If you see the early signs of burn in, give it a "white wash" of a blank white screen or the fuzz of not tuning into a channel overnight. The early signs called "image retention" on these boards are very, very reversible. You know what, don't even worry about that at this point.

2) I went to both a Blockbuster and a Tower here in NYC in search of the AVIA or the DVE...neither had it, unfortunately. Is the only alternative to buy one of these things, which seem prohibitiively expensive? And what exactly do I gain by using it anyway?

I ordered my copy of DVE online. It cost ~$20 shipped. AVIA is better for the novice but is about ~$40. If you're in New York City try the store Abes of Maine (they also have online ordering).

Most HDTVs including plasmas are shipped from the factory with all its settings geared to showroom display. As a home user you need to calibrate your settings to get the best picture possible. If you have certain settings too high, like brightness or contrast, you can definitely damage your plasma over time. So, there are two reasons to get one of these discs 1) to get the best picture possible and 2) as preventative maintenance for your plasma.

The alternative is to calibrate it by eye, based solely on your visual opinion of what the picture looks like. This is fine as long as you realize that you might be able to get a better picture and you're just not realizing it. Also, in general try to keep the brightness/contrast levels low. As a guide/starting point, my brightness is set to 76 and my contrast is set to 45. I have saturation set to 30, sharpness at 0, color temp at Normal, and tint I left at the factory default. If you don't want to get the calibration disc you could start with that, but keep in mind my settings may not look the best on your plasma to your eyes.

I am indeed a complete newbie...the wires I have hooked up are Yb/Yc/P (or whatever the exact designation is -- with the red, green and blue wires), for the cable box. Unless I missed something on the back of the TV, there is only ONE such set of ports (are these called COMPONENT or COMPOSITE?) The rest of the equipment (HD box and DVD player) would presumably have to be hooked up through standard RCA cables, no?

Yes, there is only one Component input on the Hisense. If you want to connect more thing via component you will need an A/V receiver that does component switching or a separate component switch. The input labelled Yb/Yc/P is component. The colour coding should be red, blue, green. Composite is a far, far inferior connection (you will definitely see the difference) and is labelled R/G/B if I remember correctly (it's been a long time since I used composite!)

If you want the HD signal transferred to your HDTV you must use an HD connection. The only HD connections are: component, HDMI, DVI, VGA (computer connection). The Hisense has 1 component, 1 DVI, and 1 VGA D-SUB. These are your only HD connections. If you need another component input you can get a component to VGA connector. If you use s-video or composite you are not getting a HD or SD progressive scan signal to your tv. So, if at all possible you should avoid s-video or composite all together.

For your setup I'd recommend using component to connect the Motorola HD box to your tv. Get a component to VGA cable or converter and connect your progressive scan DVD player to the TV with the component end at the DVD and the VGA end at the TV. If you don't want to do that then use s-video for the DVD player. I don't know the settings for the Motorola box but you must ensure that it is outputting 1080i to the tv. On my box (a Scientific Atlanta, not a Motorola) you have to go into the settings menu to set the output resolution. With the DVD player you should also ensure it is set to output progressive scan via component if that is how it is hooked-up.

3) The cables I used for the DVD are indeed the same ones I used for the HD box and the cable box. The DVD works fine with no interference. The HD box gets purple vertical lines running through the screen. The cable box works fine on some channels (one of which i'm using for the burn-in as we speak), but on others, there is a lot of static/snow. I don't know if all of this is caused by the HD box and the cable box being situation on top of another tv (which is disconnected)?

I'd call your cable company. It sounds like it's either the broadcast, the line into your house, or the cable box. The fact that some stations are ok and others have the purple line indicates to me that the problem is the cable box or something before the signal gets to the box, not after it leaves the box for your tv. You might try searching these forums for this specific problem or for issues known for your particular cable company. Sorry I can't be any more help on this one, I'm up in Canada and don't have the same cable provider as you.

I'm not sure how to modify my signature, if you could let me know, it would be great. In the meantmie, I'm running a HiSense TA42PHD42-A with a Motorola cable box, a Motorola HD box, a standard progressive scan DVD player, and a bunch of those blue, green and red wires.

Click on User CP, then Edit Signature.

Thanks for your help

No problem! Hope you enjoy your plasma and good luck with everything. If you have other questions don't be shy.

memikee

11-03-05, 01:49 PM

Adam Paul, I use (according to avia disk) from my initial color adjustment on s-video:

brightness: 79
contrast: 59
saturation: 48
sharpness: 4

With DVI, i upped the saturation to 60
I'll be recalibrating soon

As for burn-in, I've totally blown it off. I did the initial 100 (well at least 80) hours at about 50 on the brightness. Now...I watch DVD after DVD with the top/bottom bars, let the kids do X-Box, HD channels w/black bars on the ends and nothing. i check every day, very closely and not a hint of burn-in. The only problem I've encountered recently is someone keeps getting their fingerprints on the glass! A microfiber cloth and water and they've always come off. I do use Zoom Mode for SD channels when I can and make a modest effort to fill the screen but absolutely no worries. Any picture irregularities are most likely the receiver not the set. I had an iffy picture on one channel so recorded it on my computer (6.6 gigs for 1 hour), burned to DVD (at 4 gigs) and when it played back - wow! Gorgeous! That's why some people try to bypass the cable box or STB when watching OTA feeds. This panel can really perform.

cheers,

mchandler

11-03-05, 08:56 PM

ultracat

11-04-05, 10:54 AM

Hi All.. I've had this set for two weeks now, and am very happy so far. However when using dvi imput, the display is about 1/2 inch too high ( from bottom bezel ). Can this be adjusted? Component is fine -- I just want to use it for dvd viewing. Can anyone tell me how to get into the centering area in the menu? thanks.... Marc

I had problems with the DVI centering too, I just eventually gave up and stuck with component. If you want to play with the centering, you have to be able to access the PC Input setting. It's in the menu under he icon that is second from the left. On DVI, if I remember correctly, this whole icon is grayed out. What you have to do is switch the tv to the PC input, then go to the menu, then select the pc settings (second from the left), then use the remote to switch directly to the DVI input, then press menu again - now the pc setting should be accessible. You should then be able to adjust the screen position on the DVI input. Let me know if it works for you. I could get into the setting and adjust it, but with my STB on DVI I never could get it to look right (if it was right on the bottom, there was a gap on the top and vice versa). Unfortunately you can't stetch the picture to fill the screen, you can only move the position around.

mchandler

11-04-05, 01:19 PM

thanks ultracat-- I'll give it a try tonight, if my remote will work. I'm on my second one right now, ( first one refused to work at all, and the second one is the wrong one for this plasma). But I have been able to access the menus thru other commands.. M.

mchandler

11-05-05, 03:46 PM

thanks ultracat-- I was able to access the centering area for dvi using your method, I moved the picture down, but not enough without bringing junk in on the top of the screen. Some hd channels were better than others, ota hd seemed to scale better than some hd thru dish network. I'am using an 811 hd tuner, I can zoom the picture enough to fill the screen, but I'm not a fan of using that feature.. Looks like component is the way to go with this display. I guess I'll use the dvi cable ( ram) for a up- converting dvd player.. m.

cctex823

11-07-05, 11:33 AM

Adam Paul

11-08-05, 12:44 PM

Ultracat, or anyone else who knows:

Thanks so much for your help to this point. My 100 hours are up, and while the picture looks great, I'm going to go out and get the AVIA disk per your recommendation.

I'm confused about the ideal input for my various devices. Only 1 Component input!? My 3 year old rear projection TV had two component inputs! Presently, I have my HD box (a Motorola which picks up HD stations from an antenna on top of my apartment building) plugged into the component slot, my digital cable box connected via a standard coaxial cable wire, and the progressive-scan DVD hooked up through S-Video.

The HD channels via the HD box look great...crisp and clear. The DVD looks noticably worse than it did when it used to be hooked up via component cables on my old rear projection TV -- lots of graininess, even lines through the screen. And the digital cable box, hooked up as it is through the standard coaxial cable line, looks atrocious -- far worse than a standard, non-HDTV would look.

I suppose I should head to Radio Shack...but what can I do to optimize my setup? The DVD player has, in addition to component, S-Video, and standard RCA outputs, an optical output option. Is there anything on the Hisense that can hook into that? I understand that optical is the best...even better than component (?)

What hooks into the DVI port? Nothing on the back of either of my boxes or my DVD player seems to have anything that would hook into that. Is there a converter I should use to output from any of those items into either the VGA or DVI port...and if so, wouldn't there be a an inevitable degradation of quality?

I don't know what I can do to enhance the digital cable...but it looks awful! Since that is the box I watch most often, it's a bummer, and kinda defeats the purpose of the whole plasma thing. The only other outputs there, besides the standard coaxial cable (which I'm using for the hookup right now) are: 1) two sets of standard RCA outputs, 2) an output that is the same size as the RCA outputs (i.e. RCA wire would fit inside), but colored orange (instead of red, yellow or white) and which has a diagram of what looks like a speaker with a counter-clockwise arrow circling around it, 3) What looks like a serial port, with a letter 'i' on top of it, 4) What looks like a headphone jack, with a diagram on top of it of a rectangular box connected to an antenna. I wonder why it has all these ports, if the coaxial is what's used for outputting. I don't have the manual, but it's model # Motorlola DSR470.

Also, should the RS-232 port be used for anything, or is that a relic from the past?
Finally, seems ironic that with all of these newfangled conduits for outputting video that audio is STILL transmitted with standard RCA cables. How come there's been no improvement in that regard?

Thanks much for your help, as always.

DJRSTwin

11-08-05, 12:47 PM

Does everyone who has this Hisense model have the 720p flicker issue? Or is this a spotty issue and worth the risk. Also, to what severity is the flicker? I plan on playing plenty of xbox on 720p and was wondering if the issue is widespread and how bad it is.

As far as I can tell everyone has the issue. I have not called Hisense yet on the problem but I will eventually. The flicker occurs once every minute or so but it is extremely random, you could go quite a while with no flicker and then see it repeatedly.

As far as the xbox goes, if you are talking about the 360, everything I have read tells my that you can upconvert all 720p games to 1080i so unless you just have your heart set on 720p this should not be an issue. The regular xbox does not have this option.

ultracat

11-11-05, 09:28 AM

Only 1 Component input!? My 3 year old rear projection TV had two component inputs!

Yeah, I know. I guess that's one of the reasons it's a cheaper set. Do you have a home theatre sound system? If so, you could upgrade the receiver. You'd get better sound plus component video switching. That's what I did and I'm happy on both fronts. Of course, it is an extra expense....

I suppose I should head to Radio Shack...but what can I do to optimize my setup?

If you don't want to go the A/V receiver route, you can pick up a cheap manual componet switch. They don't really cost all that much ~$50 I think. For this TV, and I think someone else in this thread has said it too, all component seems to be the way to go.

The DVD player has, in addition to component, S-Video, and standard RCA outputs, an optical output option. Is there anything on the Hisense that can hook into that? I understand that optical is the best...even better than component (?)

Optical is for sound only. If you have a surround sound system, are you aware that optical or digial coax is the only way to get 5.1 ch surround sound from your device? If you have it hooked up with regular RCA audio cables then all you're getting is stereo sound. For video, the best hookups are component or DVI.

What hooks into the DVI port? Nothing on the back of either of my boxes or my DVD player seems to have anything that would hook into that. Is there a converter I should use to output from any of those items into either the VGA or DVI port...and if so, wouldn't there be a an inevitable degradation of quality?

The device has to have either a DVI or HDMI output to hook it to your tv DVI input. Only newer and/or high-end devices have these outputs. Typically, some set-top boxes and some upconverting DVD players have DVI/HDMI output. On set-top boxes the results can be spotty. I think the best use for the DVI would be an upconverting DVD player.

You can convert between DVI and HDMI, or between component and VGA. You cannot convert DVI/HDMI to Component/VGA (at least not easily/inexpensively)

I don't know what I can do to enhance the digital cable...but it looks awful!

Misery loves company : ) SD i.e. regular digital cable looks like crap on just about any HDTV. Whether it's the Hisense or some $8000 Sony plasma, SD looks bad because the source material signal is low definition. Nothing magically makes SD material look HD. For things to look great, the source material has to be HD.

Be patient! More and more programming is being recorded in HD. By 2007-2008 I would hazard a guess that mostly everything will be in HD. As it is right now ALL original network series (ER, Lost, CSI, Law and Order, Desparate Housewives, Sopranos, etc. etc.) are in HD, most sports is in HD, there are movie channels that upconvert movies to HD. SD sucks, period. Good things come to those who wait...

What I do is watch SD content on the HD channels (i.e. through component). Then at least it is progressive scan. Plus, if you always watch things on the HD channels then you never miss the HD version of anything.

I don't know anything about your cable provider or set-top box (mine is completely different), but why do you have two boxes?? Your HD box should give you the SD channels too, mine does anyway. Try posting for help on the forums for your Motorola STB. They will know over there how to get the most out of your setup.

Finally, seems ironic that with all of these newfangled conduits for outputting video that audio is STILL transmitted with standard RCA cables. How come there's been no improvement in that regard?

If you only have the tv speakers for your sound, then RCA will give you the best audio available - stereo. If you have a surround sound system then you should be using either digital coax cable or optical for your sound cable. If not, then you're not getting actual 5.1 ch surround sound. Lastly, if you don't have a surround sound system get one!! I'm not a huge audiophile or anything but the difference between stereo and 5.1 ch surround sound is almost as dramatic as the visual difference between SD and HD. These days you can pick up a cheap surround sound system with speakers for about $150. I guarantee, a VERY worthwhile investment. Pioneer and Yamaha make pretty good lower end surround sound systems.

You know, it's kind of sounding to me like you've got an inferior cable STB. A good one will do both SD and HD video, and will also have digital coax / optical for 5.1 ch surround sound.

Adam Paul

11-11-05, 01:38 PM

Ultra Cat...

Thanks once again for the help...you're singlehandedly making my tv viewing experience much better!

So yes, I realized I was wrong about optical..it's audio only. I do not have a receiver or stereo system...but if the sound improvement is as dramatic as you say, I will definitely look into it. Any recommended (and inexpensive!) systems? I live in a small apartment, and the TV is in my rather small bedroom...so I can't imagine I need something that extravagant.

As far as video is concerned, I went to Radio Shack and Circuit City, and you're right...there was no component to DVI adapter. So to get component video on screen from the DVD player (the main component input is utilized by the box), you say I should get a 'manual component switch' or use a receiver, if I'm understanding correctly? Where do I buy this switch? Or, if I buy a receiver (isn't that for sound only though?) then I won't need to buy the switch? Please clarify, if you would.

The other option you mentioned seems to be a component to VGA converter. I looked, but couldn't find that at Circuit City or Radio Shack. Any suggestions? Also, is there any degradation in quality when you go that way? Isn't VGA only 640x480, while the Hisense has 1024x768 (presumably via DVI or component?)

Thank you once again!

dr_bunsen

11-14-05, 03:29 PM

As far as video is concerned, I went to Radio Shack and Circuit City, and you're right...there was no component to DVI adapter. So to get component video on screen from the DVD player (the main component input is utilized by the box), you say I should get a 'manual component switch' or use a receiver, if I'm understanding correctly? Where do I buy this switch?

Best value for a component switch is one for $20 I've seen in EB Games. It's meant for hooking up a games console into an existing setup, but it can switch up to four component sources to one output. Don't know what the quality's like for this money, but I might need one of these aswell as my cinema receiver since I have three sources and two component inputs on the receiver. Can't get DVI to work very well, with a line of rubbish at the top of the picture and lots of black bands around the picture, so I might go back to component, hence the switch.

ultracat

11-15-05, 03:25 PM

Looks like my original response got deleted for containing non-sponsored links, so I'll give it another shot:

Any recommended (and inexpensive!) systems? I live in a small apartment, and the TV is in my rather small bedroom...so I can't imagine I need something that extravagant.

Exactly, just start yourself off with a cheapo system. Check out the HTIB section of these forums for some reviews.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=109

RCA makes a cheap starter system that is for sale at many big box stores, you could start with that if you wanted to cheap out.

Where do I buy this switch? Or, if I buy a receiver (isn't that for sound only though?) then I won't need to buy the switch? Please clarify, if you would.

That's right, it's one or the other assuming the receiver you buy does component switching (they don't all do it). Here's manual switch from one of the forum sponsors:

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/40-814.html

The other option you mentioned seems to be a component to VGA converter. I looked, but couldn't find that at Circuit City or Radio Shack. Any suggestions? Also, is there any degradation in quality when you go that way? Isn't VGA only 640x480, while the Hisense has 1024x768 (presumably via DVI or component?)

You can buy them online quite easily. Here's one from one of the forum sponsors:

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/hdtv-cables.html#hd15rgb

VGA and component are equivalent. In fact, some people say VGA carries more information than component and is provides a better picture. To my eyes, they look the same. They both can carry a 720p or 1080i tter signal.

This is the cheapest option of all if you only have two devices to hook-up to your Hisense. You would not need a switch with only two devices because you could hook up one with component and the other with a component to VGA cable.

ultracat

11-22-05, 08:52 AM

as expected, it flickers in 720p mode but not in 1080i mode. I don't see any difference between 720p and 1080i. I've compared the dashboard and also in-game with COD2.

Adam Paul

11-24-05, 09:15 AM

You can buy them online quite easily. Here's one from one of the forum sponsors:

OK, so I just bought an AV switch from Radio Shack for $60...then i see this post. I'd rather buy the vga to component wire rather than have an enormous switch thing sitting on my dresser. But this site has both RCA and BNC models. Which should I get?

Thanks!

ultracat

11-25-05, 12:53 PM

OK, so I just bought an AV switch from Radio Shack for $60...then i see this post. I'd rather buy the vga to component wire rather than have an enormous switch thing sitting on my dresser. But this site has both RCA and BNC models. Which should I get?

Thanks!

You need to get the RCA one - BNC are typically for commercial installations.

Also, if you go this route be aware that the Hisense allows for separate video settings on each input. You should set contrast/brightness/saturation etc. optimally for each separate input you use. You do this simply by selecting the desired input then accessing the Menu settings while on that input.

jayers25

11-27-05, 07:40 PM

DJRSTwin

11-28-05, 11:23 AM

First of all....if i ask something that has already been asked.. i apologize. I have a couple questions about this unit. I saw the incredible deal on tiger direct, and i want to see if i understand everything, since there isn't a lot of info.

First of this is called an HDTV. Is this a TV or a Monitor? In other words is it going to require a box to decode the HD stream or does it just require a HD antanea or HD cable box?

The DVI input is for digital input from a HD source or possibly a DVD player, correct?

How many different devices can you hook up to it....i have a DVD player....my cable box....and a playstation......I think i'm seeing 2 sets of component, a DVI and a S-Video correct?

Is it a good deal? I know its cheap, but i'd rather wait and spend a little more if there is a better deal to be had....just not to much more :-)

thanks,
Jon

Jon,

The monitor does not come with an HD decoder. It does come with an SD decoder so you can view standard TV over the unit without any additional equipment. (not sure why you would do this but its better than nothing)

As for the inputs, it comes with one DVI, one component, one composite and one S-video. Unless you buy a component switch you can only hook up one such input source at a time.

Besides the lack of extra component video inputs the only other known issue with this unit is a flicker on the 720p display. Some people see it some don't some see it and don't mind.

I love the unit so far. For the price I couldn't ask for a better monitor.

Hope this helps.

DJRSTwin

11-28-05, 11:27 AM

New hardware update!

Over the holiday I added the Audio Showcase Switch (40R4-3400H) to my system and it works like a dream. My harmony remote works well with the unit so I can now change component input through the remote! :)

I also added an XBOX 360 to my setup and I am happy to report it works perfectly and the picture is awesome. I am able to play in both 1080i and 720p with no flicker problem at all. I still have the issue on other inputs but none from the XBOX 360.

Big_Ice_D

11-29-05, 02:07 AM

DJRSTwin

11-29-05, 10:06 AM

DJRSTwin-

I've been thinking about getting this monitor for my 360. Here is my question....does the "flicker problem" in 720p occur just over the component input? The reason I ask is my cable box ( Scientific Atlanta 3250HD ) has DVI which I use on my current LCD. And the XBOX 360 offers a VGA adapter. Or do I understand you that the "flicker" is non-existant over the component on the 360?

Optimumly I'd like to have it set up as such-

DVI- Home Theatre PC

Component- Cable box( locked in 1080i if needed)

VGA- xbox 360

Big_Ice_D,

I'm running all of my devices through the component input via the Audio Showcase Switch (40R4-3400H). My sat box has a DVI output but I can't use it because I get distortion along the top edge of the screen when I do (this is an issue with the sat box NOT the monitor).

At first I just hooked up the 360 and set it to 1080i and all was perfect. Just to check things out I switched it to 720p and to my delight, there was no flicker at all. I've been running it for 3 days with about 6 hours of game play and no issues to this point. Since I've seen the flicker on my sat box in 720p I know what to look for so I'm confident the problem does not exist with this setup.

I'm unsure if it's the 360 or the switch box that is making things work properly. When I get home tonight I'll change the sat box to 720p now that it is going through the switch and see if the flicker is gone.

Big_Ice_D

11-29-05, 11:56 AM

Also, could you possibly hook the 360 directly into the monitor @ 720p?

ultracat

11-30-05, 03:47 PM

That's interesting DJRSTwin, I do get the flicker at 720p with my xbox 360. I'm using component routed through my Pio 1015tx a/v receiver.

Does your component switch scale?

I haven't tried the VGA cable yet but there's a chance that the flicker only happens on the component input, I don't know. Can anyone verify this (i.e. with xbox 360 through VGA cable)?

DJRSTwin

12-01-05, 10:46 AM

Okay, I totally screwed this one up. When I was changing things around on the back of my 360 I accidently slid the switch on the connector from HDTV to TV and as a result I was actually playing Madden in 480p not 720p. :o I figured it out when I went back to PGR3 last night and it looked totally awful.

As a result I can now report that indeed there is a flicker in 720p. Sorry for the misinformation.

DJRSTwin

12-01-05, 10:49 AM

ultracat,

My gamer tag is HagridTwin. I have PGR3 and Madden for the 360. Look me up if you have either game.

ultracat

12-01-05, 12:08 PM

ultracat,

My gamer tag is HagridTwin. I have PGR3 and Madden for the 360. Look me up if you have either game.

I'll add you to my friend's list anyway, but I only have PD0, COD2, and Condemned right now. GT KrazeeEyezKeith see you around!

TheCMB

12-01-05, 04:20 PM

In a similar boat to Adam with the stupid Mot DSR470 STB. The outputs on it are very strange and limited (especially no component!).

http://broadband.motorola.com/catalog/productdetail.asp?ProductID=162

Anyway, it has a Dolby Digital Output that is a single orange RCA jack. The Digital input on my Pioneer HTIB is a single coaxial jack. Aren't these 2 different things? Is there a special RCA-to-Coaxial cable for this?

TheCMB

12-02-05, 11:21 AM

I think I just need a dig coax cable with an RCA Adapter on one end.

ultracat

12-05-05, 06:21 PM

DJRSTwin,

Do you notice any blurring/ghosting with fast moving images playing games on the 360? I didn't notice it at first, but now I do a little. I play mostly FPS games and I have my gamepad sensitivity turned way up so I can spin around really fast and see if anyone's behind me (I do this a lot). I'm noticing some slight ghosting on vertical linear elements such as ladders, corners of buildings, etc. Do you see anything like this on yours?

DJRSTwin

12-06-05, 01:56 PM

ultracat,

I haven't noticed anything like that myself but I have seen some postings on the XBox message boards about that. Most of the issues were with Halo 2 on XBox 360 the comments match what you are describing perfectly. The issue was reported on many different types of monitors so its most likely not a problem with Hisense.

The only video issue I have is with Madden. When viewing the linemen between plays you can see "striping" of the video but again I have seen this posted on other boards so I don't think its a monitor issue, I'm actually quite sure it's an EA issue.

Other than that, woohoo! This thing is awesome. I want to reach out and touch the cars in PGR3.

ultracat

12-06-05, 04:18 PM

thanks - it never occurred to me it could be the games or the 360 itself. Thanks for the info! I bet once the next wave of games comes out and the developers have pushed the 360s hardware to the max we won't see small imperfections like what I saw. I agree, overall I'm still awed by the picture on this thing!

TTW

12-12-05, 10:02 PM

I've got my Hisense on order from TigerDirect. I'm glad I found this forum. It has been a good source of information.

I just wanted to tell all of the people who need a second set component input on their flat panel TVs to use the VGA input. All you need is a VGA-to-component adapter. This was mentioned at least twice in this very forum, but I don't think some of you guys were paying attention. Sure, you could use a switch, but that's more work!

Many flat panels double as monitors so they will almost all have at least one VGA input (and at least one set of component inputs).

I researched all of this about a year ago because the single component issue is a common one for many flat panels. Well, naybe it'll prove useful to someone else. Do do a search for hdtvsupply. They sell them.

On that note Ultra Wide Band wireless HDTV devices were also on my list of things to research. Basically, I'm tired of running cable for anything these days and I only have a cable hookup in 2 places in my house. Well, looks as if they as slated to appear by summer...But this is of topic and I'm sure that's being discussed on AVS somewhere.

Thanx,
TTW

Adam Paul

12-13-05, 07:23 PM

So I placed a special offer at a local electronics store for a component-to-DVI cable so I could finally use my DVD player 'correctly' with the Hisense (the box uses the primary component port).

I hooked it up, pretty simple...component half into the component output on the DVD player, and DVI half on the DVI input on the Hisense...

And nothing!

When I select 'DVI' in the TV's menu, it says 'no signal'.

I tried tightening all wires...and nothing. Very frustrating, as I waited 2 and a half weeks for this dang cable to arrive!

The cable I'm using is from a company called Optoma...'cat # BCDICRXX02'. It came in a plastic baggie (no box), and it simply says "DVI to Component RCA Cable". And it doesn't work!

Are there other kinds of DVI-to-component cables that WOULD work? Is there perhaps a proprietary setting on this particular cable that makes it incompatible with the Hisense? Or is there some setting I'm missing.

Any help would be appreciated...I'm wary of ordering another such cable if it doesn't work :(

DJRSTwin

12-16-05, 11:49 AM

Adam,

Make sure you are using the correct kind of DVI cable. There are DVI-D and DVI-I cables also there are single link and dual link variations on both types. The manual offers little information on what kind is required but I think your issue is somewhere in the format of the cable. I'm fairly certain the the Hisense requires a dual link but again, the manual does not state this.

Here is a link that explains it a bit more http://www.mycableshop.com/3rd_Level/Video-Flat.htm

memikee

12-16-05, 04:46 PM

It does require a DVI-D

monkeygenius

12-16-05, 09:00 PM

Hello All,

My TV just arrived and I'm planning to install over the fireplace on Monday. Hooray!

I'm a plasma newbie, and this forum helped sway me toward this HiSense.

A Cable question (remember , I'm a newbie :o ):

As of now, I only need to plug in my HD cable box and my DVD player(out of the box home theatre system) into the plasma.

I'm planning on using a DVI D cable from the HD box into the tv, and a component cable from the DVD/home thetre system into the tv.

Are there any issues I need to consider if I use this hookup?

Ive been reading here about component switchers, and don't understand why people don't rig-up like I outlined above.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!

MG

Zyzzyva100

12-16-05, 10:28 PM

So what exactly is this flicker on 720P that people are reporting? Is it just with games, or what exactly is going on? I just plan to use this for tv and movies, but all the OTA channels I get here are 720P, so if my sports viewing is going to be affected, then it would be pointless to get this tv. Any insights?

memikee

12-17-05, 12:31 PM

Zyzzyva100

The 720p signals can't be fed to the TV directly 'cuz it doesn't have an internal tuner. All the tuners I use output at 1080 (1080 or 720 in, 1080 out) so the flicker is non-existent. Sports are excellent. If I feed it a 480 or 720 signal, it has an occasional flicker (which many of us didn't notice until someone pointed it out). If your siganl source can't provide 1080 then you should consider getting one of those switchs DJRSTwin talked about. As far as adapters, depends on your equipment. If it has component output, don't need an adapter. If you have two devices w/component output, you'll need a switch or VGA-component to use the VGA input.

Zyzzyva100

12-17-05, 01:43 PM

Hmmmm. Well my STB is the SA8300HD, so I can force it to output everything in 1080i if I want. On my lcd that went back I had it set to upconvert all SD content to 1080i since that looked better, but let real 720p come through as that.

It seems as though people haven't noticed any problems converting 720p sports programming to 1080i? I can go either the hdmi to dvi route, or just use component. I don't think my denon reciever can change the signal, but at least it gives me extra component inputs. I guess when I am home for the holidays I will have to check this out at one of the tigerdirect stores in chicago.

kgan100

12-27-05, 06:47 PM

Anyone know how the long the life of this plasma is?
60,000 hrs?

mchandler

01-02-06, 12:19 PM

Hey All... Has anyone been able to access the Hue control thru component input? I'am getting a fair amount of green (push?), blond hair with green highlights, green shadows around faces etc.. This seems to be worst on standard def, but is there on high def as well. I have about 300 hours on the panel, and have calibrated with Avia.. MC.

pilot zenith

01-03-06, 11:58 AM

DJRSTwin

01-03-06, 12:19 PM

memikee

01-03-06, 02:28 PM

kgan100,

yes, its the 60,000 hr long-life sceen

mchandler

01-03-06, 05:43 PM

mchandler,

I have not been able to access the Hue setting myself but the green push problem is due to having the Saturation setting too high. Turn it down and wait a while and the green push will go away.
Thanks DJRST.. I'll try it, I had the saturation level at 29. I'll turn it down to 15 and leave it for awhile. Sure would be nice to access the Hue control for component & dvi.

pilot zenith

01-04-06, 01:21 PM

On my newbie post #154 above did I post in wrong place? Or did I ask the wrong questions? Pilot Zenith

ultracat

01-04-06, 01:53 PM

I'm new here, just registered. Did read all posts about this Plasma, and bought one from TigerD. I have 70 hours on it now at low brightness. What is consenses on the Extended warranty from TigerD? Sounds like it adds 2 more years with in house repairs, for about $270 U.S.? My first Plasma, do they in general have poor repair histories? It was posted here that for additional component input to tv, you could convert A HD component out to VGA and use tvs VGA input in addition to the one component input on tv. Is VGA tv input digital or analog? Thanks

Just my opinion, but extended warranties are usually a rip off. With most electronics, if something is going to go wrong it will go wrong within the first couple of weeks, or month or two. This plasma has a 1-year (if I recall correctly) manufacturer's warranty. I've heard Hisense USA is pretty good about exchanges and repairs under manufacturer warranty. In short, don't sweat it. You could put that $270 towards a nice upconverting dvd player or a cheap surround sound system.

VGA and component are analog. Only HDMI or DVI are digital. Don't confuse digital with HD though. VGA or component will carry your HD signal just fine.

monkeygenius

01-05-06, 09:07 AM

Hello All,

Have had this tv for 3 weeks , and no problems until now...

Problem 1.
Inexplicably, I can't get sound through my stock speakers anymore. Used these while watching cable. They worked fine a day previous, and my fiance says she hasn't watched (or touched :) ) the TV since I last did. I have the speakers set up on the floor with speaker wire runnning from the set, through the wall , and out into the seakers. Unless there's an issue within the wall (hard to believe since this is freshly mounted) all the connections seem to be intact. "Mute" is turned off. Could something else have been toggled-off? An issue wth cable? Any troubleshooting ideas?

Problem 2.
I have a green line on the right side of the screen when I select my DVI input into my cable box. I am using an HDMI cable with a DVI adapter into the back of the set. My component connectionlooks fine.

I'm a complete newbie to plasma and AV gear, so any help woud be very much appreciated!

Thanks!

ultracat

01-05-06, 10:34 AM

monkeygenius

01-06-06, 05:15 PM

I've got your Problem #2 line as well if I use my DVI-HDMI cable with my cable box. I couldn't get rid of it at all (I could shift it over, but there there'd be an orange line on the opposite side of the screen). So, I just use component only. My understanding from another forum is that it is an overscan issue between the cable signal and the overscan % of this TV. This TV (all fixed-pixel displays really) doesn't let you adjust your overscan % so we're screwed.

Thanks for the info!

BTW...I believe I solved my #1 problem. I just had to power-down the cable box at the surge protector....then "reboot". Weird.
Is this a common occurance with HD boxes? I belive mine is a Motorolla.

skyboy3

01-10-06, 02:45 AM

Hey guys I got the access codes to get into the set ups for the Hisense 42" ( I drove to Chi town to pickup mine last Tues)
goto [EDIT]
goto [EDIT]
set [EDIT] to [EDIT]
then enter **** w/ the key pad and wait about 5 seconds

If you screw something up you'll see the Factory Reset at the bottom of the list of menu items Hope this helps some of you guys. Your feedback is what made up my mind to buy. Had bars top and bottom and left and right and was going to return it but tiger direct got jeff on the phone and had him call me. We checked signal sources got my DVD to full screen so it's not the TV my feed from Comcast must be 4:3 because 16:9 is distorted (short and fat people) and bars top ,bottom, left and right. I also have the infamous Dark Green Bar on the rightside of the viewing window it's about 7/8 of an inch wide anyone find a cure?
Also top of picture thin white snowy line. Jeff said the engineers have been notified and a fix should come soon. They think it's just digital noise :(

skyboy3

01-10-06, 03:03 AM

go to televisionwarranties and add a dot and a com to it. buy a four year warranty. It starts after the OEM warranty runs out in a year for $279.00 it's insured and rated excellent by A.M. Best. When you make a major purchase like this you need all the protection you can get especially a plasma with it life issues. They repair on site. They replaced my bulb twice on my big screen, it's a good warranty company
and it will give you five years total with the 1 yr OEM warranty . You can't beat that. Thats 279.00 wellspent!!

skyboy3

01-10-06, 03:14 AM

Woodrow

01-10-06, 03:29 AM

dr_bunsen

02-12-06, 03:07 AM

I have a Hisense TA42P-HDRA connected to a Comcast Digital Cable box (DCT6200/2005) using DVI. Just recently the TV stopped displaying a picture and an error message appeared on the screen:
"The HD content of your display has been compromised please use the ypbpr outputs for your hd connection"

Has anyone else had this problem? Anyone know what to do about it?

xpst500

02-28-06, 08:46 AM

Where can I pick up this tv myself so I can save on shipping. Hey skyboy3, can you provide the address from where you pick your plasma?

devilfear

02-28-06, 07:52 PM

Hi, i just received the TA42p-HDRA about 10 days ago. After 4 days i could not change channels anymore, after trying anything else, Hisense sent me a remote replacement. Well guess the problem is something else. The set works perfectly using the buttons on the tv but nothing works anymore with the remote. I also set other devices in the remote and they all work, so again the problem is not there.

Is there a way to reset the plasma without the remote? the accessible menus are very limited.
Anyone else has experienced anything like this?

thanks

FreeCanada

03-01-06, 05:08 PM

The remote is a bit funny. Make sure you push the TV1 button, then point the remote about 8 to 10 inches below the blue light to change channels.

Does anyone know why TigerDirect is no longer selling this TV?

monkeygenius

03-10-06, 08:27 AM

Strange...the buttons on the tv don't seem to work anymore. ON/Off , Channel, Menus, etc.

The remote still works, however. Am I missing something here? Have I inadvertantly de-selected something that I shouldn't have?

monkeygenius

03-15-06, 01:42 PM

...not sure if this is related to my issue above....but now my tv turns itself back on about 5 minutes after I power it off. What the?

Any thoughts or speculation on the cause of these problems?

confusion

08-29-06, 02:09 AM

confusion

08-29-06, 02:10 AM

Anybody have a HISENSE 42" that is almost 95 degrees on the glass

billrap

10-18-06, 04:25 PM

HI, I've had this model for just a year when the other night a bright blue row of pixels about a 1/2"long appeared at the top middle of the display running vertically, it gets bigger than smaller, it pulses up and down at times more than 3" and looks like interference but i've disconnected eveything and it still appears on the screen. Anyone had this experience.

Thanks

ultracat

11-20-06, 02:41 PM

Nope, have you checked your cables? Have you hooked up a different display to the same output/receiver to confirm it is the display and not something else? Is the set still under warranty? If so, I've heard Hisense is pretty good about replacing defective sets. Best of luck.

FreeCanada

12-09-06, 06:42 PM

I have never found the remote to work very well with this tv, and this week it died completely. I don't use the rf input at all but that's where I'm stuck. I've removed the batteries, waited and replaced them with new ones. The red light flashes. I've also tried pushing all the buttons with the batteries out and holding down the Power button.

3 Questions
Is there any way I can revitalize this remote?

Is there any universal remote that will work with this Hisense ?

Is there any way I can select inputs (YPbr, S-Video, PCI) from the menu on the tv i.e without the remote.

Thanks
FC

FreeCanada

12-11-06, 10:44 PM

monkeygenius

12-16-06, 06:37 AM

OK, Hisense is sending me a new remote.
I believe that the problem is that the IR remote has stopped sending a signal. How do I know that? Read on. You could face this problem in the future.
There is a simple way to find out if an IR remote is producing a signal. I found this on a UK TV repair site.
Tune an AM radio anywhere in the middle of the bandwidth. Take a known to be working remote and point it 15 cm away and push some buttons. You should hear a faint beep,beep,beep or bursts of static. Take the suspect remote and do the same.
A pile of remotes I had produced sounds. The Hisense did nothing, ergo the Hisense remote is dead.

FC

UGh! I believe my remote is dead, too. Have had it for a year now, and I've had the same lackluster performace throughout. I guess a call to HiSense is in order.

How was you expereeince with HiSnse customer service? Did you call their service number off of their website?

I can't access my input seclections now from the menu button on the tv either, so i'm stuck with no signal whatsoever. Does anybody here have any ideas how to access the YPbPR, S etc. WITHOUT using the remote?

THANKS