Why run two connections? Just run the DVI-D to HDMI in 720P and you done
Those cables were already there, I was using them with my Sony DVD. The 720P won’t let you stretch the image. With the Oppo you could use both outputs (DVI and Component) simultaneously and one won’t affect the other. :)

O.K. so you like to stretch the image even after the Oppo does its thing. You must be loosing a part of the picture then ....

Good to know about the oputputs, I guess I am not using any component video at all on my setup. Just 2 DVI, Tivo and Oppo, and one VGA fro the XBOX 360 - I might hook up my old XBOX to the component now

Those cables were already there, I was using them with my Sony DVD. The 720P won’t let you stretch the image. With the Oppo you could use both outputs (DVI and Component) simultaneously and one won’t affect the other. :)

No problem.

There are more people having the same problem so It's really an issue with the Panasonic Commercial Models and the Oppo.

See this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=658125


Here's an email I got from Oppo Support.

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Glauco,

There is likely a compatability issue with the commercial series of
Panasonic plasma displays, as this is something that has been asked
several times in the last week. We do not know what is causing the
error, as the pixel clock timings with starting with the F-0220
firmware are industry standard. We are trying to arrange some face time
with a 8UK, but we do not know if this will pan out.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
453 Ravendale Dr, Suite D
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119

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I should have them come to over to my house for the face time with an 8UK, I am only 5 miles from them.

-Tim

Do it, invite them to bring a player over and test, maybe they will leave you with it :)

I should have them come to over to my house for the face time with an 8UK, I am only 5 miles from them.

-Tim

O.K. so you like to stretch the image even after the Oppo does its thing. You must be loosing a part of the picture then ....


Sometimes I don’t want to see the black bars. For example I have some music videos that have cool graphics that go to the rhythm of the music. Stretching these types of videos does not make a difference and it just looks better when it takes up the full screen :D

Do it, invite them to bring a player over and test, maybe they will leave you with it :)

Yes, and hopefully they'll have this worked out for their new unit, due next month.

shane

Yes, and hopefully they'll have this worked out for their new unit, due next month.

shane
New unit? :eek:
This is not good. I jus purchased mine last week. :(
If this is true, I guess I will be returning it.
What does the new one offer?

What will the new model have new? 1080p? HD-DVD ?

Yes, and hopefully they'll have this worked out for their new unit, due next month.

shane

same here

New unit? :eek:
This is not good. I jus purchased mine last week. :(
If this is true, I guess I will be returning it.
What does the new one offer?

What will the new model have new? 1080p? HD-DVD ?

Oppo tells me that no details will be announced until early May.

I read in another thread that this new unit (970HD?) will allow 480i over HDMI and will be SACD and DVD-A capable.
I view both of these tidbits as rumor until I see what Oppo has to say.

shane

I read on another thred it will use the Mediatek chip as also used in the Pioneer 588, so you can expect performance similar to that player - maybe macroblocking will not be an issue as with Faroudja chiped players

As well as upconvert over component for those who use external scalers

I think I will have to return my brand new Oppo if this is all true, I want to get rid of the macroblocking, the other stuff is not so needed for me

Oppo tells me that no details will be announced until early May.

I read in another thread that this new unit (970HD?) will allow 480i over HDMI and will be SACD and DVD-A capable.
I view both of these tidbits as rumor until I see what Oppo has to say.

shane

Oppo tells me that no details will be announced until early May.

I read in another thread that this new unit (970HD?) will allow 480i over HDMI and will be SACD and DVD-A capable.
I view both of these tidbits as rumor until I see what Oppo has to say.

shane
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I should be getting my Oppo next week. I was also told by Oppo support that the new version comes out next month, with upconverting to 1080i (720p) via component. I'm planning on using it with my NEC, so hopefully macroblocking may not be an issue over HDMI (although I have heard that the NEC may have this issue as well - we'll see)

A friend of mine who has the Panny 8UK got himself an upconverting player from Momitsu (880DX) and swears it's better than his Pioneer V5000 player - which I thought was pretty good with the Panny! Anyone else tried the Momitsu?

I read on another thred it will use the Mediatek chip as also used in the Pioneer 588, so you can expect performance similar to that player - maybe macroblocking will not be an issue as with Faroudja chiped players

As well as upconvert over component for those who use external scalers

I think I will have to return my brand new Oppo if this is all true, I want to get rid of the macroblocking, the other stuff is not so needed for me
I guess I bought mine too soon? :(
I wonder what the price tag on this one will be. Is it going to drive the price of the current model lower?

Rumor is a better price point so I would say yes ...


I guess I bought mine too soon? :(
I wonder what the price tag on this one will be. Is it going to drive the price of the current model lower?

Folks,
Have searched through various threads on this PDP. From what I gather, the 8uk should offer the same picture quality as the 500u. I have had a chance to check out the 500u and was very impressed.

Can I expect the same from the 8uk (especially when it comes to handling SD/480i inputs). Do both PDPs use the same scaler?

Ideally I would have liked to check out this panel in person but given that its not available in any of the local stores, I'll have to go with the reviews posted here

Also, any comments on the quality of the matching panasonic speakers (which have to be purchased seperately)? I prefer not using my receiver for cable TV

Thanks

speakers do need to be purchased seperately - sorry I know nothing about them other then this

Folks,
Have searched through various threads on this PDP. From what I gather, the 8uk should offer the same picture quality as the 500u. I have had a chance to check out the 500u and was very impressed.

Can I expect the same from the 8uk (especially when it comes to handling SD/480i inputs). Do both PDPs use the same scaler?

Ideally I would have liked to check out this panel in person but given that its not available in any of the local stores, I'll have to go with the reviews posted here

Also, any comments on the quality of the matching panasonic speakers (which have to be purchased seperately)? I prefer not using my receiver for cable TV

Thanks

Folks,
Have searched through various threads on this PDP. From what I gather, the 8uk should offer the same picture quality as the 500u. I have had a chance to check out the 500u and was very impressed.

Can I expect the same from the 8uk (especially when it comes to handling SD/480i inputs). Do both PDPs use the same scaler?

Ideally I would have liked to check out this panel in person but given that its not available in any of the local stores, I'll have to go with the reviews posted here

Also, any comments on the quality of the matching panasonic speakers (which have to be purchased seperately)? I prefer not using my receiver for cable TV

Thanks
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I think they should be very close. I am not sure if this is a fact, but was told by someone in the AV business that Panny sometimes uses their commercial pannys to test certain features on their chips. On specs alone, both products the 8UK and 50/500 series look exactly the same, same glass and same specs for contrast etc. If there are differences at least it does not show up on the model information. However, I believe the 8UK has:

1. Better support for 720p content
2. Multiple settings for each input
3. 3-D color management
4. Advanced gamma control
5. Improvements in showing details in fast moving objects
6. Advanced picture settings

etc. etc.

I had seen 500U sets many times at BB, but the first time I saw an 8UK, right out of the box I was pretty impressed with the PQ. The 500U looked good, but it didn't make me want to go and buy it right away :)

speakers do need to be purchased seperately - sorry I know nothing about them other then this
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We use the speakers in our office, where we have several large commercial Pannys. To me they appear pretty weak in terms of SQ, although the construction is rock solid and they are heavy!

I'm sure there are better alternatives you can invest in for that price...

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I should be getting my Oppo next week. I was also told by Oppo support that the new version comes out next month, with upconverting to 1080i (720p) via component. I'm planning on using it with my NEC, so hopefully macroblocking may not be an issue over HDMI (although I have heard that the NEC may have this issue as well - we'll see)

Little confused .... Are you getting an Oppo 971H next week or some beta of the new player? I have been using my Oppo 971H with my XR50 for several weeks and have not observed any MBE, the picture is quite impressive to me with DVI->HDMI @480p. MBE was one of the first things I looked for in Monsters Inc and SWEPII, I didn't see anything obvious... Curious to hear what you find, maybe you can post it back in the NEC or Oppo thread.

Little confused .... Are you getting an Oppo 971H next week or some beta of the new player? I have been using my Oppo 971H with my XR50 for several weeks and have not observed any MBE, the picture is quite impressive to me with DVI->HDMI @480p. MBE was one of the first things I looked for in Monsters Inc and SWEPII, I didn't see anything obvious... Curious to hear what you find, maybe you can post it back in the NEC or Oppo thread.
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No no. The same old Oppo 97H. Got it for my NEC, based on the assumption that it will not have the same MB issues (that the Pannys seem to suffer from). I heard the MB occurs when upscaling to 720p and 1080i, not 480p. I could be wrong, but I'll find out soon enough...I'll definitely post on the NEC thread.

I felt I needed to invest in a better DVD player for the NEC mainly because my wife complains that after spending money for it we should not be still watching all our movies on the Panny 7UY (and we watch far more movies than TV in our home, so the usage pattern between the two sets is badly skewed for now). So perhaps Oppo + NEC may close the gap. However, I am curious that since you have the XR5 (same as mine) that you would be inputting 480p. By the way I have also found that 480p looks the same or better than 480i on the NEC, but the consensus is that the NECs internal scaler is so good that it would be better feeding it 480i and let it scale to it's native res. For me the problem I am trying to fix is details in dark scenes (when compared to my Panny - I use the cpcat settings that I have modified a little over time, which works great for HD content). There are several instances where scenes appeared totally back in my NEC, but viewing it in the Panny showed additional details. Anyway, this is an 8UK thread, so sorry for going OT.

My Marantz DV7600 shows no MB via DVI, but I will try HDMI as soon as I get my blade and advise. Obviously not the same price range as the Oppo though, but it had SACD and DVD-A, so...

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By the way I have also found that 480p looks the same or better than 480i on the NEC, but the consensus is that the NECs internal scaler is so good that it would be better feeding it 480i and let it scale to it's native res.

This is further OT, but the more I learn, the more I don't understand why 480i would automatically be better even with quality internal display processing. 480p output is able to take the 3:2 frame duplication directly from the disc while 480i input requires the display to recognize the 3:2 from the signal and recreate 480p60 inside the display. This is analogous to 1080i vs. 1080p60 input from Blue Ray and no one is calling 1080i "native" for Blue Ray and lusting for 1080i input. O.K. rant over. :)

The new models are coming out soon, and the prices have dropped about $200 in the past two months. How much do they tend to drop in the two months before a new model? Thanks.

The new models are coming out soon, and the prices have dropped about $200 in the past two months. How much do they tend to drop in the two months before a new model? Thanks.

What new models are you talking about, 9UK's?

shane

What new models are you talking about, 9UK's?shane
Looks like the Oppo has hi-jacked this thread? :)

The new models are coming out soon...

The new Commercial Models should be coming September so It's not that soon. ;)

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BruZZi's Panasonic Plasma FAQ — bruzzi.ws
Lots of info for all Plasmas in general.

The Thin Red Line on DVD looks real nice on this TV. All the jungle shots...and the animals...wow...and that's with lowly DVI too, hehe ;)

If any of you have some time to kill, perhaps you can take a look at my thread, which is linked below. I'm posting in this specific thread, because I've got my eye on this model, the Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK. I would appreciate any input you can provide to my thread. I've read ten pages of this thread so far, and will eventually catch up 100%.

Questions For The Plasmatics of AVS (Others Feel Free To Chime In) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=667230)

Folks,
I plan to mount a 42uk on the matching stand. I am a little concerned about the set tipping over. Haven't purchased the stand as yet. 1) Where can I get one and 2) is it possible to strap the stand to the furniture or back of the wall?

Thanks

Folks,
I plan to mount a 42uk on the matching stand. I am a little concerned about the set tipping over. Haven't purchased the stand as yet. 1) Where can I get one and 2) is it possible to strap the stand to the furniture or back of the wall?

Thanks
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1. Trust me, it won't tilt over, even if you tried ;)

2. It comes with a strap to hold the stand onto a table if you want to.

Folks,
I plan to mount a 42uk on the matching stand. I am a little concerned about the set tipping over. Haven't purchased the stand as yet. 1) Where can I get one and 2) is it possible to strap the stand to the furniture or back of the wall? Thanks
Hi buster,

I share your concern about an expensive plasma screen toppling over. BTW, Plazman, you seriously underestimate my ability to foul up. FUBAR? :D

The "factory" Panasonic pedestal stand that I have my 50PHD8UK mounted on is substantial. Very heavy in fact. It came with two narrow plastic straps that attach on one end to the base and the other end can be screwed into whatever is supporting the monitor/stand. Far better than nothing, but a tad bit whimpy in my opinion.

Since my monitor is currently sitting about five feet off the floor on my fireplace mantel --- I decided to play it safe so I screwed a 1/2" lag bolt (out of sight) into the wall directly behind the monitor and then ran a solid 12-gauge wire from the monitor's handles to the lag bolt. Now, even if I accidently (stupidly) pull on or tip the monitor --- it can't go anywhere --- unless I remove the "safety tether". Like when I decided to connect a S-Video cable after placing the monitor atop the mantel and reached around and under the screen to get at the blades.

Since everything is hidden behind the monitor it doesn't look bad and it isn't a big chore to remove the tether if I need to take the monitor down. (Lifting the monitor and stand is NOT an easy task.)

I "googled" the model of the stand that I wanted: "TY-ST08-K"

Got a few listings of merchants... And, I would imagine that ANY of the fine, forum sponsors who sell the 8UKs would have the stand that you need.

Note: Once you attach the massive pedestal stand you cannot access the monitor's terminal boards, so install them before mounting the stand to the monitor.

Hi Plazman, Techophobe
Thanks for responding to my questions

If you mount to a wall then it would be best to use a wall mount - the stand is great for a table top ...

I "googled" the model of the stand that I wanted: "TY-ST08-K"



You can get the identical (except for the black/silver color) TY-ST42PA20 Stand for 1/4 of the TY-ST08K Stand price at Ebay. :)

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BruZZi's Panasonic Plasma FAQ — bruzzi.ws
Lots of info for all Plasmas in general.

Once & for all, can someone just convince me that the Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK is THEE set for my HD viewing needs. I worry about watching some of the SD 4:3 shows I enjoy, but I just want reassurance that the HD broadcasts, including sports, will truly shine on this set, before I plunk down thousands of dollars. I trust the experiences of my fellow AVS'ers, as most of you are rather critical in assessing the equipment's performance. I really want HD that shines, and impresses me. I like the dark color, and minimalist appearance of this set, so that's why I'm leaning towards it, but I'm openminded.

Once & for all, can someone just convince me that the Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK is THEE set for my HD viewing needs. I worry about watching some of the SD 4:3 shows I enjoy, but I just want reassurance that the HD broadcasts, including sports, will truly shine on this set, before I plunk down thousands of dollars. I trust the experiences of my fellow AVS'ers, as most of you are rather critical in assessing the equipment's performance. I really want HD that shines, and impresses me. I like the dark color, and minimalist appearance of this set, so that's why I'm leaning towards it, but I'm openminded.

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I can assure you. Although I don't own one, but have spent several hours with one on multiple occasions :)

Once & for all, can someone just convince me that the Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK is THEE set for my HD viewing needs. I worry about watching some of the SD 4:3 shows I enjoy, but I just want reassurance that the HD broadcasts, including sports, will truly shine on this set, before I plunk down thousands of dollars. I trust the experiences of my fellow AVS'ers, as most of you are rather critical in assessing the equipment's performance. I really want HD that shines, and impresses me. I like the dark color, and minimalist appearance of this set, so that's why I'm leaning towards it, but I'm openminded.
Convince you? Hmmmmmmm. Well, not that it will convince you, but I plunked down over $3K of my hard-earned money for mine... Sight unseen... And no regrets... Just the opposite.

For example, I don't play golf... I don't much like people who do play golf, if you get my drift... (They think they're superior to me because I can't hit that damned little ball 300 yards.)

But, I do admit that I often watch golf on tv. It's guaranteed to always put me right to sleep --- even if I'm not tired. Boring! But, with that said, I simply could NOT believe the picture quality of the Masters on CBS. I could read the greens as well as the caddies because I could see individual blades of grass... I could even see the stitching in the golfer's shirts... Phil Mickelson's beard was rather disturbing though. Aren't there any razor blade sponsors on the PGA circuit?

Fact is, the three grand I plunked down was worth it just to watch a sporting event that I really don't care about. So naturally, you can understand the degree of pleasure that I had when watching the recent NCAA basketball tournament in HD. Absolutely mesmerizing. And it's probably the reason that my Gators won the big championship! (Take that UCLA.)

I'd guess that if you still need convincing --- then you aren't ready to buy. Heck, maybe you just don't deserve it? :D

Now, stop your whining and order one... Enough with the silly questions!

Oh yeah, I do have one major complaint! There aren't enough programs in HD. But, even SD looks better to me when viewed on the Panasonic 8UK monitor.

Did I mention that I own Panasonic? :D

What he said.

Masters + TH-50PHD8UK = :eek: :D :eek:

I third that, this Panasonic monitor is eye candy for sure - you will want to beef up the rest of your home theater

What he said.

Hey I have an interesting problem with my DVI blade in my 8UK. I recently started using a Mac mini Core Duo on the DVI blade and went through a few cables thinking it might be interference causing a visual artifact but it does it with all the cables I tried. First off looking at 1080p QT trailers is stunning from the mini and I see no problems here. The artifact I see is when using the mini to surf or general computer usage. The best way to describe it is a horizontal bleeding of bands of color. If I look at this forum with the AVS-White preference set at the bottom the dark bluish bands between the posts will bleed off the side to the edge of the screen. If I am looking at a mostly light colored page like this filling up like 60% of the width of the screen I can see discoloration spanning the entire screen. It is hard to describe so I may try to take a photo but I don't think it will show up well in this way. I tried my G5 and it does the same thing. The mini booted into XP does the same thing as well so it is not limited to OSX. It is very subtle but very reproducible. Large areas of white or light color with dark bands always seem to have the problem. If I scroll up or down the bands follow as well. It is almost like the image processor is confused but I am not sure if it is a defective blade or not. It is not a huge deal for me as I don't really use the display for PC style stuff as much as my desktop G5 and during video I don't think there is any time I have seen this type of artifact. Any input would be appreciated.

-Jerry C.

Hey I have an interesting problem with my DVI blade in my 8UK. I recently started using a Mac mini Core Duo on the DVI blade and went through a few cables thinking it might be interference causing a visual artifact but it does it with all the cables I tried. First off looking at 1080p QT trailers is stunning from the mini and I see no problems here. The artifact I see is when using the mini to surf or general computer usage. The best way to describe it is a horizontal bleeding of bands of color. If I look at this forum with the AVS-White preference set at the bottom the dark bluish bands between the posts will bleed off the side to the edge of the screen. If I am looking at a mostly light colored page like this filling up like 60% of the width of the screen I can see discoloration spanning the entire screen. It is hard to describe so I may try to take a photo but I don't think it will show up well in this way. I tried my G5 and it does the same thing. The mini booted into XP does the same thing as well so it is not limited to OSX. It is very subtle but very reproducible. Large areas of white or light color with dark bands always seem to have the problem. If I scroll up or down the bands follow as well. It is almost like the image processor is confused but I am not sure if it is a defective blade or not. It is not a huge deal for me as I don't really use the display for PC style stuff as much as my desktop G5 and during video I don't think there is any time I have seen this type of artifact. Any input would be appreciated.

-Jerry C.
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If I had to choose I would say the blade is the problem. Now, I have a Panny 7UY in the bedroom that is hooked up to a Sony Vaio PC via the VGA input. After reading this post I turned on the Plasma and am typing this response on my plasma. I see no bleeding at all. I don't have the DVI blade to test it, but VGA seems to have no problems at all. I believe with the 8UK you can probably feed 1080p via the VGA input without noticeable loss of resolution. The 8UK claims higher greyscale over DVI though....

Hey I have an interesting problem with my DVI blade in my 8UK. I recently started using a Mac mini Core Duo on the DVI blade and went through a few cables thinking it might be interference causing a visual artifact but it does it with all the cables I tried. First off looking at 1080p QT trailers is stunning from the mini and I see no problems here. The artifact I see is when using the mini to surf or general computer usage. The best way to describe it is a horizontal bleeding of bands of color. If I look at this forum with the AVS-White preference set at the bottom the dark bluish bands between the posts will bleed off the side to the edge of the screen. If I am looking at a mostly light colored page like this filling up like 60% of the width of the screen I can see discoloration spanning the entire screen. It is hard to describe so I may try to take a photo but I don't think it will show up well in this way. I tried my G5 and it does the same thing. The mini booted into XP does the same thing as well so it is not limited to OSX. It is very subtle but very reproducible. Large areas of white or light color with dark bands always seem to have the problem. If I scroll up or down the bands follow as well. It is almost like the image processor is confused but I am not sure if it is a defective blade or not. It is not a huge deal for me as I don't really use the display for PC style stuff as much as my desktop G5 and during video I don't think there is any time I have seen this type of artifact. Any input would be appreciated.

-Jerry C.
Try a Power Conditioner. It seems to me that you are getting AC noise via your power supply or outlet. If this is not the case than I must agree with plazman. :)

Hey I have an interesting problem with my DVI blade in my 8UK. I recently started using a Mac mini Core Duo on the DVI blade and went through a few cables thinking it might be interference causing a visual artifact but it does it with all the cables I tried. First off looking at 1080p QT trailers is stunning from the mini and I see no problems here. The artifact I see is when using the mini to surf or general computer usage. The best way to describe it is a horizontal bleeding of bands of color. If I look at this forum with the AVS-White preference set at the bottom the dark bluish bands between the posts will bleed off the side to the edge of the screen. If I am looking at a mostly light colored page like this filling up like 60% of the width of the screen I can see discoloration spanning the entire screen. It is hard to describe so I may try to take a photo but I don't think it will show up well in this way. I tried my G5 and it does the same thing. The mini booted into XP does the same thing as well so it is not limited to OSX. It is very subtle but very reproducible. Large areas of white or light color with dark bands always seem to have the problem. If I scroll up or down the bands follow as well. It is almost like the image processor is confused but I am not sure if it is a defective blade or not. It is not a huge deal for me as I don't really use the display for PC style stuff as much as my desktop G5 and during video I don't think there is any time I have seen this type of artifact. Any input would be appreciated.

-Jerry C.

I have a Mac PowerBook connected via DVI without any problems

I use a power conditioner and it really helps

Try a Power Conditioner. It seems to me that you are getting AC noise via your power supply or outlet. If this is not the case than I must agree with plazman. :)

So, I've decided to get the TY-FB7HM for my 8UK. Why is everybody out of them all of a sudden? Are they discontinued? I rather the $125 TY-FB7HM than the $250 TY-FB8HM.

So, I've decided to get the TY-FB7HM for my 8UK. Why is everybody out of them all of a sudden? Are they discontinued? I rather the $125 TY-FB7HM than the $250 TY-FB8HM.
Supply is having trouble keeping up with demand? I waited more than two months just to get my 50PHD8UK monitor... And, I just sold a used TY-FB7HM a coupla weeks ago... BTW, Panasonic's MSRP for the TY-FB8HM is $145.00. (Same as the MSRP for the TY-FB7HM)

Anyone charging $250 is price gouging! :eek:

Panasonic link: http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?displayTab=S&storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=94540&catGroupId=14624&modelNo=TH-50PHD8UK&surfModel=TH-50PHD8UK

Thanks. That must be a typo on the Panny website. INteresting that when you click on "How to Buy", there's no info.

Do you trust this?


------>Link<----- (http://www.deepdiscounters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&currency=USD&products_id=86532)

$150 for the TYFB8HM , in stock seems to good to be true.

if you add to cart, SOLD OUT

Do you trust this?


------>Link<----- (http://www.deepdiscounters.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&currency=USD&products_id=86532)

$150 for the TYFB8HM , in stock seems to good to be true.

I got my 7hm from sparco.com after about a week. I have my Comcast 6412 DVR Ph. II connected via DVI and my Marantz 7600 set to 720p & connected to the HDMI. Component comes in via PC/VGA port.

Thanks. That must be a typo on the Panny website. INteresting that when you click on "How to Buy", there's no info.
I don't think that Panasonic MSRP a typo... When I bought my TY-FB7HM a couple of months ago, I paid $144.99. The only ones that I see available online now are being "scalped" at ridiculous prices. Double the MSRP?

Your choices seem to be either --- (a) wait 'til Panasonic ships more of them OR (b) pay a ridiculous price.

Maybe people are buying them up and hoarding them? :)

OK I managed to capture the artifact in a photo. It is pretty subtle but if you follow the horizontal green bar you can see a lightness extends all the way to the right edge of the screen. Even the black lines in the metallic title bar seem to have an artifact that trails off the edge:

http://web.mac.com/jerrycube/iWeb/Site/Library_files/P4203865.jpg

This discoloration is on both sided of this browser window not just to the right. A static image is almost imperceptible but when you scroll a web-page up and down it can catch your eye a little easier.

-Jerry C.

I don't think that Panasonic MSRP a typo... When I bought my TY-FB7HM a couple of months ago, I paid $144.99. The only ones that I see available online now are being "scalped" at ridiculous prices. Double the MSRP?

Your choices seem to be either --- (a) wait 'til Panasonic ships more of them OR (b) pay a ridiculous price.

Maybe people are buying them up and hoarding them? :)

Even some of the vendors at the top of the forum are over-charging...'scalping' seems to be quite appropriate.

I got my 7hm from sparco.com after about a week. I have my Comcast 6412 DVR Ph. II connected via DVI and my Marantz 7600 set to 720p & connected to the HDMI. Component comes in via PC/VGA port.

You promted me to canel my pending out-of-stock order with buy.com and place a sparco order. I processed, and then 15 hours later I get an email that it's out of stock. What's going on here??? :(

OK I managed to capture the artifact in a photo. It is pretty subtle but if you follow the horizontal green bar you can see a lightness extends all the way to the right edge of the screen. Even the black lines in the metallic title bar seem to have an artifact that trails off the edge:

http://web.mac.com/jerrycube/iWeb/Site/Library_files/P4203865.jpg

This discoloration is on both sided of this browser window not just to the right. A static image is almost imperceptible but when you scroll a web-page up and down it can catch your eye a little easier.

-Jerry C.
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Sorry for not reading the entire thread, but are you using VGA input? try switching to VGA and see if you still get the artifacts. If no, then I would attribute it to a faulty cable and/or input board. You can also try a different (higher quality) cable to eliminate the cable angle....I see absolutely no artifacts on my Panny 7UY with a PC.

JerryNY,

I believe this is the way the panel works. When horizonal bands of light and dark can affect the other areas of the screen. I have not seen this waching video so for me it is not a big deal.

I had Pioneer that did this as well, but the NEC did not but both those panels had a lot of image retention switching from dark to light scenes which I hate more.

- Rich

JerryNY,

I believe this is the way the panel works. When horizonal bands of light and dark can affect the other areas of the screen. I have not seen this waching video so for me it is not a big deal.

I had Pioneer that did this as well, but the NEC did not but both those panels had a lot of image retention switching from dark to light scenes which I hate more.

- Rich

I agree. I've seen this on both my 50U and my NEC XR5. I think it's normal behavior for a plasma.

You promted me to canel my pending out-of-stock order with buy.com and place a sparco order. I processed, and then 15 hours later I get an email that it's out of stock. What's going on here??? :(

Did you miss the 'after about a week' part of my post?

You promted me to canel my pending out-of-stock order with buy.com and place a sparco order. I processed, and then 15 hours later I get an email that it's out of stock. What's going on here??? :(
It sounds like your patience might be wearing a bit thin? I can understand THAT!

This terminal board seems to be out-of-stock EVERYWHERE --- unless you're willing to pay over twice the MSRP.

MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.

Keyword is "suggested".

Not that it will help at all, but it's just a matter of time before the next shipment of HDMI blades get here from wherever they're made. Frustrating though, isn't it?

After all the DVI-D and HDMI talk I think I want to get a new HDMI terminial card and sell one of my DVI-D cards, I hope the next shipment comes soon -

It sounds like your patience might be wearing a bit thin? I can understand THAT!

This terminal board seems to be out-of-stock EVERYWHERE --- unless you're willing to pay over twice the MSRP.

MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price.

Keyword is "suggested".

Not that it will help at all, but it's just a matter of time before the next shipment of HDMI blades get here from wherever they're made. Frustrating though, isn't it?

I agree. I've seen this on both my 50U and my NEC XR5. I think it's normal behavior for a plasma.

After more testing and looking at some other makes of plasmas I came to the same conclusion that it is normal plasma behavior. Like I said it is no biggie as it is impossible to see this effect in moving video. I just wanted to make sure nothing was broken.

-Jerry C.

anyone into HD-DVD? Here is a nice review, this will make your 8UK pop with life ....

http://www.denguru.com/2006/04/20/toshiba_hd_a1_dvd_first_look/

anyone into HD-DVD? Here is a nice review, this will make your 8UK pop with life ....

http://www.denguru.com/2006/04/20/toshiba_hd_a1_dvd_first_look/


I like how it opens with "April 17, 2006 Thursday" (wasn't that a Monday???)

anyone into HD-DVD? Here is a nice review, this will make your 8UK pop with life ....

http://www.denguru.com/2006/04/20/toshiba_hd_a1_dvd_first_look/

Did I miss it or did this review forget to actually evaluate the unit playing an HDVD :rolleyes:

- Rich

I think you need to click anoither link off this review that talks about a few HD-DVD releases, it goes on to say "The Last Samari" is very very nice in HD-DVD

Did I miss it or did this review forget to actually evaluate the unit playing an HDVD :rolleyes:

- Rich

Anyone seen or have either HD-A1 or HD XA1 connected to a 8UK?

I read that the smalled the display the less difference you'll see.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6510291.html?tag=links;feature

Anyone seen or have either HD-A1 or HD XA1 connected to a 8UK?

I read that the smalled the display the less difference you'll see.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6510291.html?tag=links;feature

I have the HD-A1 connected to a 657UY which has the same number of pixels and it really looks fantastic. People have seen HD so it is not as "amazing" as it once was. What you see is not motion or macroblocking artifacts. From now on, I buy on HD or BR DVDs. Depending on your patience, I would consider waiting for the LG or Samsung HD DVD/BR dual format player.

- Rich

You know, I've considered myself an amateur audio/videohphile for some time. I mean, not to the point of being anal but I do take *some* care in being certain I get a great listening and viewing experience. I was on the laserdisc bus when they first came out, and instantly chucked both laserdisc and my VHS collection when DVD finally arrived.

But I digress...

I've seen HDTV in full 1080i and 720p onmy TH-50PHD8UK and I've seen my own standard DVD's upconverted onto my TH-50PHD8UK...and I'm just not that excited about HD-DVD or Blue Ray. I mean yes there is a difference, but is it worth the cash right now?

HELL NO. IMHO anyway.

I'll give HD-DVD/Blue Ray a couple of years to mature and hit market saturation. When I can pick a decent feature-rich player up for $200 - $300 that performs, maybe then I'll start the inevitable replacement of my 200-plus standard DVD collection!

I'll give HD-DVD/Blue Ray a couple of years to mature and hit market saturation.

Yeah right, or maybe you'll go pick up one tomorrow. Don't sit there and act like you're better than the rest of us. :)

I said all along I would wait for BD and now I'm getting really itchy with all the HD-DVD talk going on. If I could have found one, I'd have bought it already.

Depending on your patience, I would consider waiting for the LG or Samsung HD DVD/BR dual format player.

- Rich

I thought that player was dead in the water?

Yeah right, or maybe you'll go pick up one tomorrow. Don't sit there and act like you're better than the rest of us. :)

Oh no not at all - in fact, I waited several years to pick up my first plasma, and I'm glad I did because I feel I received a technologically matured piece of equipment with better picture quality and MTBF than I would have gotten had I jumped on the first ones.

I feel the same about HD-DVD/Blue Ray, and even moreso since it's not clear who will be the "winner" in this particular format war. I'm betting on HD-DVD for my own reasons, but we'll see...

I'm not better than anyone here, trust me - I've just got limited funds since dropping that wad of cash on my new TH-50PHD8UK. ;-)

The new Toshiba HD-DVD player has alot of reviews now. I found one buy a guy who took his apart and found a USB flash memory unit inside and that the drive was a normal IDE computer interface same as a Toshiba HD-DVD reader for the PC, he also found that the system runs redhat as its OS - only time now before a cheap way to do HD-DVD will hit the underground scene

Oh no not at all - in fact, I waited several years to pick up my first plasma, and I'm glad I did because I feel I received a technologically matured piece of equipment with better picture quality and MTBF than I would have gotten had I jumped on the first ones.

I feel the same about HD-DVD/Blue Ray, and even moreso since it's not clear who will be the "winner" in this particular format war. I'm betting on HD-DVD for my own reasons, but we'll see...

I'm not better than anyone here, trust me - I've just got limited funds since dropping that wad of cash on my new TH-50PHD8UK. ;-)

I thought that player was dead in the water?

Last I heard the samsung was dead in the water, but the LG was still on.
Of course, I could be wrong :)

I still hold hope out for the HTPC playback option (not the Vista bloatware).

- Rich

Hi,
Is anyone out here using the matching speakers? If yes, can you please post some pics

Thanks

Hi,
Is anyone out here using the matching speakers? If yes, can you please post some pics

Thanks
ByteBuster,

My question is, why would someone want to use the matching Panasonic speakers? I suppose that someone would need/want to use them, but I can't imagine why. A pair of these speakers cost in the neighborhood of $250 - $300 (or more). Add to that the fact that the monitors' built-in amplifiers aren't high-quality and it seems like the best choice would be to opt for a home theater a/v receiver with separate speakers. Wouldn't an inexpensive setup even be preferable? I know that I'm addicted to Dolby 7.1. :D In fact I have spent more in total on audio components than on video.

One important factor in my choosing the Th-50PHD8UK was that these "commercial" monitors did not include low-q speakers. I didn't want anymore doorstops...

I just rechecked the "official" Panasonic brochure and there aren't any pictures of these monitors with the optional speakers installed, so I can't be of any help to you there.

Hi TechoFobe,
Just trying to see if I can save some money :D
Have been researching some decent home theater setups but they are working out to be a little expensive ($1300 to $1800) :(

Hi TechoFobe,
Just trying to see if I can save some money :D
Have been researching some decent home theater setups but they are working out to be a little expensive ($1300 to $1800) :(
You sure got THAT right ByteBuster! :D

Money: the root of all audio/video evils. :)

I would personally opt for the best home theater system that my budget would allow... I'm pretty sure that modestly priced A/V receivers and decent speakers can be had... Fact is, no matter what your budget --- it seems like there is always something a little better for just a little more money? :)

Paying 300 bucks for the optional Panasonic speakers would not seem to me (IMHO of course!) like the wisest choice. A quickie Google search found a Sony HT-DDW900 Home Theater System with 900-watts of total power; Consisting of: A/V Receiver and complete Speaker System and an 8-inch Powered Subwoofer. I was surprised to see that it even sports a 2-in 1-out HDMi Interface?

I'm sure there are MUCH better choices, but that has a list price for roughly the same as the pair of optional Panasonic speakers... I'm definitely no expert, but I'd be willing to wager that such a system would produce a better sound experience too.

And, with some research you could Shirley find a far better quality HT system for only slightly more money. Of course, a system costing 3, 4, or 5 grand would easily blow it away. :D

Just my 3 cents worth... (inflation)

TechoFobe-

I enjoy your posts because they read as Jack Nicholson. Are you a big fan or are you, uhh, really him?! :-)

TechoFobe-

I enjoy your posts because they read as Jack Nicholson. Are you a big fan or are you, uhh, really him?! :-)
I don't think Jack Nicholson would be likely to hang around in Avsforum considering his age. He's getting old and you know he is tired.. He may like plasma screen and just watch it when he sits on the sofa and then just relax.... no? but you never know.... There maybe actually some movie actors hanging around.

TechoFobe- I enjoy your posts because they read as Jack Nicholson. Are you a big fan or are you, uhh, really him?! :-)
Hey Mule,

Nope... I'm not Jack... I'm only the president and charter member of the AVSForum's International "Jack" Fan Club. Oh yeah, that AND I'm mad as a hatter. :D

But who's this "Plasma Doctor" guy? And, what is he thinking when he says things like Jack's OLD and TIRED? Is he an AGEist or something... ;)

As if Jack sits by himself on the sofa watching Laker's games... :p

So, what is it now, less than a month until you get your new TH-50PHD8UK? Bet you're getting anxious now.

I currently have my 50PHD8UK perched atop the Panasonic pedestal mount.

Call me crazy, but after looking at many different wall mounts manufactured by any number of companies --- I'm wondering if there are any mounts available that allow plasma screens to be "rotated" from landscape to portrait positions? Maybe a "tilt, swivel. rotate" mount?

In other words, I wonder if I could adjust the hundred-plus-pound 50PHD8UK's position similar to the way I can position my 21" Viewsonic computer monitors?

So, what is it now, less than a month until you get your new TH-50PHD8UK? Bet you're getting anxious now.

It is less than a month now! The 8UK is still atop my list as it continues to knock off challengers. Now taking on the Samsung HP-S5053 -- nice looking opponent with all the tools but only a rookie. :)

It is less than a month now! The 8UK is still atop my list as it continues to knock off challengers. Now taking on the Samsung HP-S5053 -- nice looking opponent with all the tools but only a rookie. :)
Isn't that fence rail getting a bit uncomfortable? So you've STILL not decided for sure? Sounds like torture to me... :)

Some talking head recently was blathering about how people often do too much research before making buying decisions. Sounded absolutely ridiculous to me at the time, all the more so since I often tend to do in-depth research and comparisons on such things as which brands of toothpicks are superior. So I do understand the cross-roads you are at with deciding whether to get the 8UK or some other model/brand monitor.

But, aren't Samsungs made in a damp, moldy basement in Singapore? :D

The best news is that no matter which you eventually choose, it will greatly increase your viewing/entertainment pleasures.

As you might imagine, I've gotten rather attached to my 8UK... I even rate it slightly above my guns in the 'cold-dead-fingers' department. And of course, "Something's Gotta Give" looks positively incredible on the Panasonic!

mule65-

Apparantly, TechoFobe is more Heston than Nicholson. Jack is anti-gun last I heard.

mule65-

Apparantly, TechoFobe is more Heston than Nicholson. Jack is anti-gun last I heard.
:D

Yep, exactly right fasTLane, Jack is still "officially" in the anti-gun camp. But I did put my 8UK above guns on my CDF list (Cold Dead Fingers). And, fL, if I disagree with you --- that doesn't necessarily mean I'm unable to respect you and your opinions. Reasonable people can agree to disagree? For example, some people even prefer Sam's-Sungs!!!

:D

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Quote of the Day: "Consistency is the hob-goblin of little minds..."
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Opinion? More like observation. :)

Opinion? More like observation. :)
I vehemently disagree! IMHO my Panasonic is superior. :D

Correction: That doesn't necessarily mean I'm unable to respect you, your opinions or observations... ;)

You better be right on this since I just ordered by 8uk from VA yesterday.

In the past week, I've hauled my Vizio back to Costco, hauled a HP home and back to BB two days later. My brother is threatening to avoid any of my future calls summoning him to help me carry the panel. The few days before my 8uk arrives should be sufficient for him to cool off.

And I was going to treat him to a nice dinner with the $$ I save off the Pio 1130 I had my eye on.

You better be right on this since I just ordered by 8uk from VA yesterday. In the past week, I've hauled my Vizio back to Costco, hauled a HP home and back to BB two days later. My brother is threatening to avoid any of my future calls summoning him to help me carry the panel. The few days before my 8uk arrives should be sufficient for him to cool off. And I was going to treat him to a nice dinner with the $$ I save off the Pio 1130 I had my eye on.
Howdy X,

I'm sure. I'll even make you a "limited guarantee" that you'll be more than pleased with it. Delighted in fact? ;)

Heck fire, I'll bet that your brother will be totally impressed with it too, if his back has recovered, that is...

Hmmmm, so you've gone thru both a Vizio and Samsung HP plasma monitor? You sound like a highly discriminating VideoPhile alright... And, if you're half as pleased with your 8UK as I am with mine --- you'll be one extremely happy camper. :D

Welcome to the Unofficial Panasonic Owner's Club.

TechoFobe, you're famous now. You got 119,928 hits on your thread. I think part of it is that I had a big arse thread with 1000 pics/screenshots posted for the 8UK/7UY. I think part of the influence has been caused by me. :p I think I helped many buyers make their decision about purchasing the TV... :D

TechoFobe, you're famous now. :D
Yeah? But is that a good thing? :o

I generally don't praise excessively --- but I will say that I am most happy with my TH-50PHD8UK...

By the way, will I benefit monetarily from my new-found 15-minutes of fame? :D

Two questions come to mind: How many hits did you say and will fame spoil the Fobe-ster? :cool:

I just got a "product alert email" that buy_dot_com has the TY-FB7HM in stock.

Thanks for the heads up.
But shouldn't one get the TY-FB8HM instead.
I quickly ordered a 7HM and then quickly cancelled since I can live with component for awhile.

Agreed, but given the price-gouging that's been discussed on this thread for the 8 series, and given the very minor differences for most users, I thought folks might be interested.

Well duh! I should have checked the latest news on that.
The last I read was that the 8HM was the one to get, more lines, ability to see the details of nostril hairs e.g.

I only hope they don't screw up my order, cancel, order again.
The nerve of some fickle customers!!

Well duh! I should have checked the latest news on that.
The last I read was that the 8HM was the one to get, more lines, ability to see the details of nostril hairs e.g. I only hope they don't screw up my order, cancel, order again. The nerve of some fickle customers!!
Nose hairs? :p As in splitting nose hairs? :D

FWIW, my free advice/opinion is that the claims of increased functionality of the TY-FB8HM vs. the TY-FB7HM are extremely nebulous... From what I "KNOW" --- and what I believe --- Panasonic has officially stated that the only difference between the two units is that the TY-FB8HM can be used with PAL and NTSC. Which might explain why they are primarily available from Canadian suppliers at the present time.

Considering that premium prices are being charged for the TY-FB8HM, and it seems like opting for the 8 over the 7 is not particularly a wise course of action...

On an aside: I hope you have better luck with BuyDotCom and that your cancelled order doesn't turn into a SNAFU situation... I recently ordered two items (needed one item in order to use the other item). A few hours later, they advised me that half of my order was going to be delayed indefinitely. So, I immediately cancelled my time-sensitive order (next-day shipping). But, they evidently couldn't cancel my order "in time". Co-incidentally the partial-order was shipped by them about 8-hours after I requested they cancel my order. I have yet to get a credit for the item too. My problem is probably just an unusual/isolated transaction? But it's too bad. I "used" to buy from BUY on a frequent basis... :confused:

Back on topic, obviously if you could actually get a TY-FB8HM for the same price that would be best... :)

Nope, no hopes of a 8HM.
This thing is as rare as the holy grail.
Of course, the one place that *say* they have it are asking about a hundred more.
I'll get it if someone tells me I'll get a hundred bucks more in better PQ?

NE1? NE1?

well, if it's true that the 8th gen goes a proper job at deinterlacing over HDMI, then yes, relative to the 7th gen. As far as I'm aware this is unsubstantiated (but caveat is I haven't read the thread if there was a link posted from documentation that refutes this).

well, if it's true that the 8th gen goes a proper job at deinterlacing over HDMI, then yes, relative to the 7th gen. As far as I'm aware this is unsubstantiated (but caveat is I haven't read the thread if there was a link posted from documentation that refutes this).
I like that... Unsubstantiated... Yeah, that's precisely the way I read it...

Panasonic (the people who should know for sure?) do NOT indicate any difference in the specs for the 8th gen vs. the 7th gen. The Panasonic website ALSO indicates that the MSRP for both units are the SAME...

"IF" anyone can, please point to a knowledgeable source showing the 8 is better. That would change everything, except for the price-gouging.

well, if it's true that the 8th gen goes a proper job at deinterlacing over HDMI, then yes, relative to the 7th gen. As far as I'm aware this is unsubstantiated (but caveat is I haven't read the thread if there was a link posted from documentation that refutes this).

I saved this. I found somewhere else on this forum... :eek:

Check out page 7 of the TY-FB7HM manual:
http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/man...fb/ty_fb7hm.pdf

Compare this to page 7 of the TY-FB8HM manual:
http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/man...fb/ty_fb8hm.pdf

In particular, check out the differences between the 2 manuals for the 1125/60i signal source (1080i signal). The 7 series board notes that it will display 540 active lines and 562.5 total lines. The 8 series board notes that it will display 1080 active lines and 1125 total lines. To me, this suggests that the 7 series board "bobs" 1080i display sources while the 8 series board displays a full 1080 line equivalent after deinterlacing content. Regardless, I can tell you that HDMI on the 8UK series will result in significant picture improvement over component.

Regardless, I can tell you that HDMI on the 8UK series will result in significant picture improvement over component.Hey. Have you witnessed a one on one comparison of these two boards in the same setup? I am extremely interested in conclusive proof. :cool:

Not me. Those are another posters words I ripped (I cut and paste interesting stuff into my own text document). Maybe you can find the original post. It does make some sense and the 2 cards are different.

Here's the original post. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7147877&&#post7147877)

I thought the possible color range was quite different with the newer blade. Is this not true?

I saved this. I found somewhere else on this forum... :eek:

Check out page 7 of the TY-FB7HM manual:
http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/man...fb/ty_fb7hm.pdf

Compare this to page 7 of the TY-FB8HM manual:
http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/man...fb/ty_fb8hm.pdf

In particular, check out the differences between the 2 manuals for the 1125/60i signal source (1080i signal). The 7 series board notes that it will display 540 active lines and 562.5 total lines. The 8 series board notes that it will display 1080 active lines and 1125 total lines. To me, this suggests that the 7 series board "bobs" 1080i display sources while the 8 series board displays a full 1080 line equivalent after deinterlacing content. Regardless, I can tell you that HDMI on the 8UK series will result in significant picture improvement over component.

Hmnn, the links are in japanese, or at least the error message displayed happens to be, I get no pdf files. :(

But what you have said in the last paragraph is what I have read elsewhere.

As to whether or not Panasonic is passing on accurate descriptions of the differences between the blades, anyone that has worked in the corporate world knows that at times very important differences slip through the cracks because the information (from engineering) didn't get to the guys that disseminate it or that no one thinks that difference is one that anyone would care about (which is false since I want my 1080i to be deinterlaced without throwing away half the resolution). So I guess I remain unconvinced (but would err on the side of caution and buy a 8th gen blade for my 7UY just in case, I'm content to wait out availability). =)

Edit- links in original thread work, I'm now extremely curious to see this tested!

Edit2- looks like no 1080p support anyway, so this panel being used with either HD DVD and/or BD will have to use 1080i out of the player anyway.

The series 8 HDMI blade will NOT work in a 7UY but a 7 series blade will work in a 8UK!

Are you sure about that? The manuals don't say either way. This is of significant relevance to me as is it's ability to IVT 1080i (for a progressive source). :)

Jeez, this Pany video card business is really mysterious.
I won't be surprised if news break out about how the 8HM card can outline ppl's inner garment like the Sony camcorders of years ago!!

What we have so far:

- availability of 7HM is limited
- availability of 8HM is non-existent or very limited
- differences betwen 7HM the 8HM are (a) none, (b) perceptible only with 1080 sources and/or (c) PAL vs NTSC

What's going on?
Does Panasonic not support HDMI for these nUK units?

I wonder how many sales were lost with the HDMI diehard folks?

Are you sure about that? The manuals don't say either way. This is of significant relevance to me as is it's ability to IVT 1080i (for a progressive source). :)

I just read about a guy trying an 8blade in a 7display -- no go.

I just read about a guy trying an 8blade in a 7display -- no go.

Do you happen to have a link?

If true, a little piece of me just died inside then. =(

Now I have to see if I can actually find the DVI blade manual, so far no luck, but I fail to see how it would be different than 7th gen HDMI blade.

Do you happen to have a link?

If true, a little piece of me just died inside then. =(

Now I have to see if I can actually find the DVI blade manual, so far no luck, but I fail to see how it would be different than 7th gen HDMI blade.

Here's the link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7594015&&#post7594015)

Wow! what a view! Got it from VA - perfect box - 1 week flat. Great customer service - the price had dropped a few bucks between the time I ordered and recieved - i called and they refunded me the difference! obviously prices will continue to drop, but i thought 'come on, before i even get it?' - they were great

I'll be playing with the setting for a while, but I have a couple questions

for those hooked up to the Moto 6412 DVR...

What DVI output setting on the box have you found to display the best picture (HD and/or SD)? 1080i, 720p, 480p or 480i

Break in period... If I strictly watch full screen programing for at least the first 100 hrs. and beyond (SD "just" picture looks far better than i was expecting), is it really necessary for one of those looping DVDs displaying various colors for hours on end (at least the first 100 hrs.)

I just got you beat.
Ordered Mon and set to deliver (calif) Thurs (tomorrow).
Alas, I told them to come Fri instead since noone is around to sign for it.
Just in time for my 'reduced' definition 7HM card.

for those hooked up to the Moto 6412 DVR...

What DVI output setting on the box have you found to display the best picture (HD and/or SD)? 1080i, 720p, 480p or 480i


I have a 7UY and since the moto box doesn't have passthrough at this point in time I prefer 1080i to 720p. YMMV though.

Here's the link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7594015&&#post7594015)

Crud. Well it looks like from reading the thread that no one has actually tried it (just said that is what panny says), so I wonder what will happen if you do (since I assume the physical connection is the same (as evidenced by backwards compatibility of the 7th gen and earlier terminal boards)... I wonder if that would void your warrenty?

for those hooked up to the Moto 6412 DVR...

What DVI output setting on the box have you found to display the best picture (HD and/or SD)? 1080i, 720p, 480p or 480i

1080i for me. Especially since the Sox are on INHD2.

If true, a little piece of me just died inside then. =(
ROTFL. :D

And here I thought that I was too fanatical about this stuff...

Let me get this straight, orogogus. Part of you "died" because you will have to use a TY-FB7HM terminal board instead of a TY-FB8HM? Please tell me I am wrong. :eek:

Also, someone please correct me if I missed something else, but it looks to me like the ONLY "proof" offered that the TY-FB8HM has superior performance thus far is a link to a non-English website? Wait a minute, my sides are hurting from laughing too hard! :p

Did someone also suggest that the reason why Panasonic is not touting its TY-FB8HM's superior functionality is because the engineers forgot to tell its rank and file employees about these secret & mysterious improvements? Oh please stop! My sides are KILLING me... I believe a part of me just died inside --- and it is all because I am laughing too hard!!! :D :D :D

Maybe I should take a crash course in how to read Japanese?

Too, too funny! ;)

ROTFL. :D

And here I thought that I was too fanatical about this stuff...

Let me get this straight, orogogus. Part of you "died" because you will have to use a TY-FB7HM terminal board instead of a TY-FB8HM? Please tell me I am wrong. :eek:

Also, someone please correct me if I missed something else, but it looks to me like the ONLY "proof" offered that the TY-FB8HM has superior performance thus far is a link to a non-English website? Wait a minute, my sides are hurting from laughing too hard! :p

Did someone also suggest that the reason why Panasonic is not touting its TY-FB8HM's superior functionality is because the engineers forgot to tell its rank and file employees about these secret & mysterious improvements? Oh please stop! My sides are KILLING me... I believe a part of me just died inside --- and it is all because I am laughing too hard!!! :D :D :D

Maybe I should take a crash course in how to read Japanese?

Too, too funny! ;)

I just noticed this discussion in this thread and thought I'd add a few comments. I have no idea what happened to the links that I posted to the manuals back in February. At the time, those links referenced English language publications, not Japanese publications. Regardless, I used the links because they were identical to the actual language that I was reading in the cited manuals - both of which I have in my possession as I have both boards installed in my 8UK as noted in previous posts.

Bottom line: (And I had this confirmed by a senior Panny tech at the time.) The "8" series HDMI board is not compatible with the 7 series panels as the electronics differ. The 8 series board does differ in specs from the 7 series board and those differences go beyond PAL support - at least as noted in the manuals. As for why Panny has not been pushing 8 series HDMI boards in the USA, I couldn't say for sure. But, it would make sense for the company to try to exhaust existing supplies of older boards before making newer boards available unless there were compelling reasons to the contrary (such as PAL support for European users). My guess is that you'll start to see more 8 series boards becomming available in the USA in the coming months. From what I understand, the 7 series board was in very short supply this time last year as well.

As for needing to see the manuals to confirm what I noted back in February, all one had to do was do a Google search. I just did it again and found the following links:

For the 8 series board:

http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/manual/operating_instructions/ty/fb/ty_fb8hm.pdf

For the 7 series board:

http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/manual/operating_instructions/ty/fb/ty_fb7hm.pdf

The manuals are in SEVERAL languages, including English. That's why I directed everyone to page 7 last time (the English language part of the manual).

I trust that this information will put this to rest yet again.

Just wanted to mention, my TH-50PHD8UK that I purchased through dtvcity.com on March 23rd, 2006 is still going strong after 30-days of use (the deadline for me sending it back). It's currently May 4th, 2006. Guess I'm going to throw my box out now, as this thing takes up way too much room in my house! ;-)

I can't stress how great the picture quality of this plasma is, and the elegance of its design. If anyone is interested, my experience with dtvcity.com was great - I highly recommend them.

Anyway, time to paint my theater room now; I just had can lights and IR dimmers installed last week. I'll have to post some pics when the room is finished.

Cheers!

I trust that this information will put this to rest yet again.
Whoa there! Not just yet? :D

If I may be so bold I’d like to discuss a few “facts”. Please humor me? And by all means feel free to correct any errors? :)

As I understand, basically with interlaced signals, every second field is drawn at half-a-scanline offset. This creates an illusion of more vertical resolution than there actually is. The adjacent interlaced fields are seen stitched together, as if they formed a full-resolution frame.

In progressive (non-interlaced) signals, there is no half-line offset. The corresponding scanlines in adjacent fields get drawn in exactly the same places. Or more pedantically: what were formerly known as "fields" have now become frames.

What then are the advantages or disadvantages of interlaced signals and progressive signals, you might ask?

Well, it seems to me that the advantage of a progressive mode signal is that it is flicker-free. Since all frames (and scanlines) get drawn on the same location, there is no interlace flicker. The image is very stable and clear. So, if one has a choice, why even watch an flickering interlaced signal. Simply because, the advantage of a interlaced mode signal is that the perceived vertical resolution is twice what it seems to be with a respective progressive mode signal. In other words, the interlaced signal “fools” human vision. I'm guessing that a 1125/60p signal format would beat them all? ;)

Now, getting down to business... The pertinent facts are as follows:

ALL 525/60p format signals have a total of exactly 525 scanlines. That is what the “525" actually and simply stands for.

Also, as one might logically expect, ALL 625/50p format signals have (you got it) a total of 625 scanlines.

Carrying this further, 750/60p format signals have (Voila!) 750 scan lines...

Lastly, a 1125/60i format signal HAS TO HAVE a total of 1125 scanlines. It isn’t magic. It is simply a fact. By definition?

Thus, the spec for the total number of lines for 1125/60i that is listed on line 4 of the table on page seven of the TY-FB7HM manual is quite simply incorrect. It IS in English though! However, the signal can NOT have 562.5 total lines. Think about it. How would it be possible to have half of a scan line? The figures listed for that signal format are, I'm guessing, most likely confused with the “effective” number of scanlines that are generally associated with interlaced signals.

On the other hand, page 7 of the manual for the TY-FB8HM correctly lists the total number of scanlines (1125). Whether you want to believe it or not, I believe that the FACT is that both the TY-FB7HM and the TY-FB8HM output exactly the same total number of scan lines. Don’t take my word for it... Ask your helpful, neighborhood video engineer.

It would be great if the TY-FB8HM actually did output double the number of scanlines. But if you compare apples to apples it just ain’t so. If the TY-FB7HM output a total of 562.5 scan lines then the signal format would not be 1125/60i but 562.5/60i?

Leastwise that’s the way it looks to me. I’m obviously no expert... I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night... But mad cow disease hasn’t got me quite yet either? And, by all means. if someone with an electrical engineering degree, or heck, even a layman like myself, can explain otherwise I’m always ready to learn. As a matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised that I am totally wrong. Has happened to me once or twice before. :D Man am I going to be embarrassed when someone explains this to me! :o

Professor Techo --- over and finally out! :D

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So what's the verdict?
Would I get a better look at the next wardrobe malfunction with the 8HM or what?

All this discussion between the 7 v 8 series HDMI blade...

What speakers do you have directly connected to necessitate either?

I can’t imagine making such a purchase only to hook up two speakers.

All this discussion between the 7 v 8 series HDMI blade...

What speakers do you have directly connected to necessitate either?

I can’t imagine making such a purchase only to hook up two speakers.
Speakers?

I'm having mine hooked up to an old old system.
Infinity Modulus all around, Velodyne 18", Sony ES receiver e.g.
Center channel was always a problem.
Eh, for esthetic reasons.
It just won't look good no matter what unless I hide it in the wall or ceiling or sit it on a stand under the tv which is wall mounted.
I have a B&W cc3 lying around but that one is just too deep.
At this point, tonally matching the sides is not even an option.

So I'm doing the ugly; not using a center and diverting the center signal to the sides via the receiver.

if you're not hooking up speakers directly, why not just get the DVI blade? TY-42TM6D

Outside of audio, i didn't think there was a difference between this and the 7HM. Other than supporting PAL, i didn't think there was a difference b/w the 7 and 8.

if you're not hooking up speakers directly, why not just get the DVI blade? TY-42TM6D

Outside of audio, i didn't think there was a difference between this and the 7HM. Other than supporting PAL, i didn't think there was a difference b/w the 7 and 8.
There have been several messages regarding the difference between HDMI and DVI. I get the impression that HDMI "can" be preferable for reasons not to do with audio. PQ issues?

I agree with you that the basic difference between the TY-FB7HM and the TY-FB8HM deals with PAL. Some people disagree and believe the 8HM is "new & improved". :) They might be right...

Whoa there! Not just yet? :D

If I may be so bold I’d like to discuss a few “facts”. Please humor me? And by all means feel free to correct any errors? :)

As I understand, basically with interlaced signals, every second field is drawn at half-a-scanline offset. This creates an illusion of more vertical resolution than there actually is. The adjacent interlaced fields are seen stitched together, as if they formed a full-resolution frame.

In progressive (non-interlaced) signals, there is no half-line offset. The corresponding scanlines in adjacent fields get drawn in exactly the same places. Or more pedantically: what were formerly known as "fields" have now become frames.

What then are the advantages or disadvantages of interlaced signals and progressive signals, you might ask?

Well, it seems to me that the advantage of a progressive mode signal is that it is flicker-free. Since all frames (and scanlines) get drawn on the same location, there is no interlace flicker. The image is very stable and clear. So, if one has a choice, why even watch an flickering interlaced signal. Simply because, the advantage of a interlaced mode signal is that the perceived vertical resolution is twice what it seems to be with a respective progressive mode signal. In other words, the interlaced signal “fools” human vision. I'm guessing that a 1125/60p signal format would beat them all? ;)

Now, getting down to business... The pertinent facts are as follows:

ALL 525/60p format signals have a total of exactly 525 scanlines. That is what the “525" actually and simply stands for.

Also, as one might logically expect, ALL 625/50p format signals have (you got it) a total of 625 scanlines.

Carrying this further, 750/60p format signals have (Voila!) 750 scan lines...

Lastly, a 1125/60i format signal HAS TO HAVE a total of 1125 scanlines. It isn’t magic. It is simply a fact. By definition?

Thus, the spec for the total number of lines for 1125/60i that is listed on line 4 of the table on page seven of the TY-FB7HM manual is quite simply incorrect. It IS in English though! However, the signal can NOT have 562.5 total lines. Think about it. How would it be possible to have half of a scan line? The figures listed for that signal format are, I'm guessing, most likely confused with the “effective” number of scanlines that are generally associated with interlaced signals.

On the other hand, page 7 of the manual for the TY-FB8HM correctly lists the total number of scanlines (1125). Whether you want to believe it or not, I believe that the FACT is that both the TY-FB7HM and the TY-FB8HM output exactly the same total number of scan lines. Don’t take my word for it... Ask your helpful, neighborhood video engineer.

It would be great if the TY-FB8HM actually did output double the number of scanlines. But if you compare apples to apples it just ain’t so. If the TY-FB7HM output a total of 562.5 scan lines then the signal format would not be 1125/60i but 562.5/60i?

Leastwise that’s the way it looks to me. I’m obviously no expert... I didn't even stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night... But mad cow disease hasn’t got me quite yet either? And, by all means. if someone with an electrical engineering degree, or heck, even a layman like myself, can explain otherwise I’m always ready to learn. As a matter of fact I wouldn't be surprised that I am totally wrong. Has happened to me once or twice before. :D Man am I going to be embarrassed when someone explains this to me! :o

Professor Techo --- over and finally out! :D

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From The University of Foot In My Mouth

The potential for a technical error in the manual for the 7 series board was something that I pointed out, as well. The only other possible explanation that I could come up with was that the 7 series board "bobs" the 1080i signal. (You may recall that "bobbing" was a major issue that was discovered with many HDTV's in the past year. Thus, I recognized that the fact that the 7 series HDMI board manual indicated that fewer than 1080 lines were being resolved for 1080i signal might suggest that the panel was only displaying 1/2 of the lines at a time, i.e. it was "bobbing" 1080i signals. Notice the use of the term "might.") You obviously suspect the first explanation. (And, I'm not saying your right or wrong.) I have never been able to get an answer to this question from a Panny tech and don't have sufficient interest to push the matter further. What I do know - and the Panny literature confirms this - is that Panny has advised that the 8 series HDMI board is NOT compatible with 7UY generation commercial plasmas. It is only compatible with the 8UK series. I also know that the 8UK series has a different scaler and offers a higher rate of gradation (through digital source material) than the 7 series panel. Thus, I have concluded that the 8 series board is better for the 8UK series panels and have advised others of what I know and why I have reached my conclusions.

I don't profess to be an expert in this area. What I do state is that I own both HDMI boards and that I noticed a significant improvement in PQ when going from component to an 8 series HDMI board with a digital STB on my 8UK. I have not tried to swap inputs with the 7 series board as that would be a major undertaking given the complications of my setup and because I'm quite satisified with my present arrangement (7 series HDMI board feeding my DirecTV source to the panel).

You have both boards installed on your 8uk and have not tried switching over the inputs? :confused:

you mean you have the means to test this for all of us and won't do it??!! jeez, some people ;)

You have both boards installed on your 8uk and have not tried switching over the inputs? :confused:


Nope. It's not an easy undertaking given the complexities of my system. I am feeding my panel directly from the digital STB (the 8 series board) and from a Denon HDMI switching receiver (the 7 series board). The HDMI cables to the boards are not the same length. As a result, I can't easily swap sources given where all of the equipment is. Plus, my Denon receiver is connected to about 9 other pieces of equipment in my video cabinet. I'm sure you can just imagine what the jungle of wires in the back of my cabinet must look like. So, given the fact that the HD signal that I receive from DirecTV is not nearly as good as the HD signal I get from digital cable (due to compression algorithms used by Directv), I don't think that it is fair to compare the results that I get - say from watching ESPN-HD on DirecTV vs. watching ESPN-HD on digital cable. (This was also true for 1080i source material.) The PQ from the digital cable is superior to that from Directv using the 8 series HDMI board. But, you should also know that the PQ on this channel used to be better using the DirecTV 7 series HDMI board when I was feeding the digital cable STB to the panel via high grade component video cables. The PQ using the digital cable STB improved noticeably when I changed from component video cables to the 8 series HDMI board and now the digital cable PQ for ESPN-HD exceeds the PQ that I get from DirecTV using the 7 series board. But, I can't and won't conclude that the difference is all about the quality of the 8 series board as the PQ distinction is likely to be caused (at least in part if not in whole) by the limitations imposed by the satellite algorithms used to compress HD signals.

I know what you mean. The Cable Jungle has beaten back my curiosity on a few instances as well. Too much equipment syndrome. :)

ROTFL. :D

And here I thought that I was too fanatical about this stuff...

Let me get this straight, orogogus. Part of you "died" because you will have to use a TY-FB7HM terminal board instead of a TY-FB8HM? Please tell me I am wrong. :eek:

Also, someone please correct me if I missed something else, but it looks to me like the ONLY "proof" offered that the TY-FB8HM has superior performance thus far is a link to a non-English website? Wait a minute, my sides are hurting from laughing too hard! :p

Did someone also suggest that the reason why Panasonic is not touting its TY-FB8HM's superior functionality is because the engineers forgot to tell its rank and file employees about these secret & mysterious improvements? Oh please stop! My sides are KILLING me... I believe a part of me just died inside --- and it is all because I am laughing too hard!!! :D :D :D

Maybe I should take a crash course in how to read Japanese?

Too, too funny! ;)

Well in the original thread, the link actually take you to the manuals, which also happen to be in english, and they are actually different.

And of course my life will go on if I don't get proper deinterlacing, but information is power.

And to wit, yes companies don't always communicate products effectively. Heck, Sharp still isn't straight forward about not accepting 1080p SIGNALS with their 1080p panels...

you certainly don't have to justify it to me, but you can't just take the hdmi cable out of the 8 series blade and put it in the 7 series blade?

you certainly don't have to justify it to me, but you can't just take the hdmi cable out of the 8 series blade and put it in the 7 series blade?

I wish it would be that easy. I would have done that a long time ago. But, the only real way to compare would be to have 2 STB's each feeding the panel the same material from the same source at the same time. That I cannot do, regardless. (I only have 1 cable STB.) Once I realized that (and as I am quite pleased with my present setup), I knew that the best result I could achieve would be a subjective comparison.

Plus, I have very little slack at the ends of my HDMI cables (where they connect to the underside of my 65" 8UK which is mounted on the wall). Removing one and inserting the other is not as simple as you might think and I actually ruined an HDMI cable a few months ago when I had to bend it to insert it into the panel once the panel was on the wall. (You can only imagine the "fun" that caused as I had to run out to Best Buy to buy a new cable, get some guys back to help me take the panel off of the wall YET AGAIN so that I could run the cable in the conduit behind it, and then had the get the guys to help me put the panel back on the wall - all the time PRAYING that I would not damage this huge monster of a display in the process.) I also have a large cabinet housing all of my equipment beneath the display and access is limited (as you might imagine).

But, the kicker is that my wife has threatened to have me carted away in a straight-jacket if I play with the cabling again. ;)

Well in the original thread, the link actually take you to the manuals, which also happen to be in english, and they are actually different.

And of course my life will go on if I don't get proper deinterlacing, but information is power.

And to wit, yes companies don't always communicate products effectively. Heck, Sharp still isn't straight forward about not accepting 1080p SIGNALS with their 1080p panels...

I agree completely. We're all here (hopefully) to help one another by sharing experiences and whatever knowledge we've been able to acquire along the way. That's why I posted on this subject in the first place. I had discovered (or thought that I might have discovered) something that was not consistent with what many of us had been told by Panasonic and resellers regarding the 8 series HDMI board. All I wanted to do was share (a) what I had learned, (b) how I had learned what I had learned, and (c) my opinion as to the potential significance of the new information. At the time, I also contacted BruZZi (the board's resident Panny expert) to see if he could shed any light on this issue and to ensure that his FAQ reflected the differences as noted in the 2 manuals (for the 7 series and 8 series HDMI boards).

The whole point of the exercise was to help others make a more fully informed decision when purchasing an HDMI board for an 8UK display.

I know what you mean. The Cable Jungle has beaten back my curiosity on a few instances as well. Too much equipment syndrome. :)

Thanks for understanding. I knew I couldn't possibly be the only one dealing with the cable jungle. :D

The whole point of the exercise was to help others make a more fully informed decision when purchasing an HDMI board for an 8UK display.

And I appreciate your efforts in that regard.

I think for my particular situation (7uy with an open terminal board) I might as well stick with DVI instead of HDMI since I already have HDCP (and apparently can't use a 8th gen HDMI board). And I'm actually only really concerned with what will happen with 1080i out of a HD DVD player to my panel (1080i IVT). You like to know what the theoretical best thing to do is, and how best to spend your hard-earned money.

And I appreciate your efforts in that regard.

I think for my particular situation (7uy with an open terminal board) I might as well stick with DVI instead of HDMI since I already have HDCP (and apparently can't use a 8th gen HDMI board). And I'm actually only really concerned with what will happen with 1080i out of a HD DVD player to my panel (1080i IVT). You like to know what the theoretical best thing to do is, and how best to spend your hard-earned money.

I think that there are good reasons for you to choose a DVI board instead of an HDMI board. While there are some DVD players that will rebel when you output HDMI and convert to a DVI input, most will not have a problem with this at all. Moreover, the ability to achieve 1:1 pixel mapping through DVI has been confirmed on the 7UY and has not been confirmed through HDMI. So, if you ever plan on using an outboard scaler that can output native resolution to the panel, you're guaranteed to get a great result using DVI.

Except for the rare incompatibility issue that you may confront with certain DVD players, I see absolutely no reason for you to move from DVI to HDMI. I guess what I'm saying in WAY too many words is that I agree with you completely. :)

On the 7UY the HDMI board accepts native rate. It also accepts 480i which is not supported by the DVI input. If you use a Set-Top-Box, HDMI is better because their scalers are terrible and you can set most of them to pass 480i to the screen. The DVI input will not accept 1080i.

I have one of each, but If I were doing it again, I would just get two HDMI. I am not sure about HDMI on the 8 series accepting native rate though.

- Rich

On the 7UY the HDMI board accepts native rate. It also accepts 480i which is not supported by the DVI input. If you use a Set-Top-Box, HDMI is better because their scalers are terrible and you can set most of them to pass 480i to the screen. The DVI input will not accept 1080i.

I have one of each, but If I were doing it again, I would just get two HDMI. I am not sure about HDMI on the 8 series accepting native rate though.

- Rich

This is why I love this forum. This is interesting news, Rich. I don't know if anyone has yet confirmed if an HDMI board will accept native rate on an 8UK. What I found particularly interesting in your comments was that the 7UY and 7 series HDMI board combination will also accept 480i. That is not true with the 8UK. The 8UK won't accept 480i through HDMI. It only accepts 480p, 720p and 1080i and perhaps 1080p but at reduced frame rates (not confirmed). I don't know about DVI as I don't have a DVI board.

P.S. Thanks for correcting me about the 7UY accepting native rate through HDMI. I had read that it did through DVI but had previously been under the impression that it would not through HDMI.

I agree completely. We're all here (hopefully) to help one another by sharing experiences and whatever knowledge we've been able to acquire along the way. That's why I posted on this subject in the first place.
You're right!

After you posted that message --- I was "forced" to engage my limited brain capacity and actually do some thinking and research... Fact is that I am working at a big handicap... My brain. :D

Thanks for posting your info and comments. If I read a few more, I might actually learn a thing or two. :)

This forum is the greatest...

This forum is the greatest...

TechoFobe, this guy is looking for you! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7602735&&#post7602735)

You're right!

After you posted that message --- I was "forced" to engage my limited brain capacity and actually do some thinking and research... Fact is that I am working at a big handicap... My brain. :D

Thanks for posting your info and comments. If I read a few more, I might actually learn a thing or two. :)

This forum is the greatest...


Somehow, I suspect that my handicap may be greater than yours. ;) But, we're all here trying to help one another as much as we can.

Somehow, I suspect that my handicap may be greater than yours. ;) But, we're all here trying to help one another as much as we can.
And, it's sure been helpful to me! :D

There's still a lot more that I don't know --- than what I do know... :)

On the 7UY the HDMI board accepts native rate. It also accepts 480i which is not supported by the DVI input. If you use a Set-Top-Box, HDMI is better because their scalers are terrible and you can set most of them to pass 480i to the screen. The DVI input will not accept 1080i.

I have one of each, but If I were doing it again, I would just get two HDMI. I am not sure about HDMI on the 8 series accepting native rate though.

- Rich

I use my computer now and again for an HTPC though, and 1366x768 pops right up over DVI; I'm not sure if that will be the case for HDMI. Plus, I don't have any HDMI sources atm (moto box is DVI 6408 instead of the 6412 HDMI), but I suppose that would change with the theoretical HD DVD player.

The DVI board does take 1080i, because that is what I'm sending out of my STB. So like I said, maybe I'll stick with DVI.

However... if I can get NR with HDMI though (only with a scaler or does the EDID on the board report correctly to a PC graphics card?), and still get 480i, that's nice because not having 480i over HDMI is a bit of a drag with the cable box, if I ever upgrade (especially if I get a scaler or if they force a box with HDMI on me).

Decisions, decisions... thanks for the info though Rich!

On the 7UY the HDMI board accepts native rate. It also accepts 480i which is not supported by the DVI input. If you use a Set-Top-Box, HDMI is better because their scalers are terrible and you can set most of them to pass 480i to the screen. The DVI input will not accept 1080i.

I have one of each, but If I were doing it again, I would just get two HDMI. I am not sure about HDMI on the 8 series accepting native rate though.

- Rich

Correction. The DVI board does accept 1080i. It does not accept 480i.

Sorry about that.

- Rich

Correction. The DVI board does accept 1080i. It does not accept 480i.

Sorry about that.

- Rich

No worries. It certainly does not pass 480i. Still I have some food for thought if I want to get a HDMI board or another DVI. I think a HDMI blade might give me some otherwise unavailable flexibility.

Received my 50" 8uk late Friday. DHL delivery guy was great and nice enough to help me unpack and carry it down to my HT room. Plug in the hdmi card (came the same day also), installed the wall brackets and the tv was up and running in less than 30 mins.

First off, I, likely misled to think the 8uk was discontinued thus the heavy discounting. So I was surprised to see a manufactured date sticker of April 06 on mine.

Secondly, wow! what a picture right out of the box. I didn't even get a chance to check out the settings until the next day which I then finally moved off the vivid Dynamic default mode. The blacks is where I wanted it to be. DVR via hdmi was great, DVD via comp was great.

Thirdly, the myriad of adjustments is what I yearned for. Something I findly sorely missing in my previous panels, the ability to take that last step for that just right balance ... Sure, some settings are missing for hdmi but then again, I'm already good with the PQ.

Fourth, I love the minimalist design and a nice thin dark frame. Remote is good enough as well.

Thanks to this thread for all the good info, this is my last panel (at least on this wall).

Now if someone can tell me where to go on the menus to turn off that pilot lamp on the lower right corner.

Does anyone have an HDMI blade for an 8uk that they would be willing to trade for a brand new Logitech Harmony 880 remote?

I've read more posts on this issue that I'd care to admit, but I'm with TechoFobe on this one, even though Bruzzi specifically states in his faq that besides supporting more PAL signals, 8hm hdmi card also outputs 2x of lines in 1080i NTSC mode.

However, I did try to call Panny's commercial model tech support (where there's only one tech manning the line without any hold times) and he told me the following:

1) He knows nothing about 8HM since it's not officially available in US markets.

2) He knows nothing about 7hm outputting only half of the lines of 1080i signal and suggested I call a local video panny engineer. He gave me a number and a name, but for fear of sounding like a someone who spends too much time on avs sites and forums, I decided not to call. If anyone is brave enough to do so, pm me.

That section is just describing the video input signals. It's wrong, IMHO. 1125/60i is very clear as to what it is. I think it's just a misprint. It should read what the 8 manual reads.

Edit: It is describing as in listing the definition of.

I've been away from the forums for a little while and I see the SAME conversation is going on here again? :confused: :eek: :D :D :D

argh...no definite proof other than the manuals on the 8HM/7HM thing...although I also remember reading somewhere about the greyscaling being better...but alas I thought we all decided that either card was good, no?

still haven't gotten around to switching the Oppo from DVI to HDMI and comparing. Just too damn busy...and the previously mentioned cable jungle is a deterrent as well ;)

But....been quite a few months now and the 8UK is running great as usual. I Tivo the hell out of stuff and am enjoying it immensely as always. Just thought I'd stop in and say Hi as I haven't been here in awhile.

Bah, I'm super-happy with my new 50PHD8UK, except one thing: I can't get the damn thing to run in native resolution on either of my PCs. I just found out that 1366 can't be output by any NVIDIA or ATI video cards, and when I output 1360 or 1368 the picture is squished into the center of the screen.

Can anyone out there help me out with detailed step-by-step instructions on how to get native pixel mapping? I have a TY-FB8HM HDMI board (and of course the analog PC-in), I have an NVIDIA 7900 GT on my gaming computer and an ATI 9600 on my HTPC.

So far the people who got this to work all seem to have the DVI input blade, hopefully I won't need to buy one...

Bah, I'm super-happy with my new 50PHD8UK, except one thing: I can't get the damn thing to run in native resolution on either of my PCs. I just found out that 1366 can't be output by any NVIDIA or ATI video cards, and when I output 1360 or 1368 the picture is squished into the center of the screen.

Can anyone out there help me out with detailed step-by-step instructions on how to get native pixel mapping? I have a TY-FB8HM HDMI board (and of course the analog PC-in), I have an NVIDIA 7900 GT on my gaming computer and an ATI 9600 on my HTPC.

So far the people who got this to work all seem to have the DVI input blade, hopefully I won't need to buy one...

No one has been able to get NR wit the HDMI board. You will need to use the DVI or VGA board.

Bah, I'm super-happy with my new 50PHD8UK, except one thing: I can't get the damn thing to run in native resolution on either of my PCs. I just found out that 1366 can't be output by any NVIDIA or ATI video cards, and when I output 1360 or 1368 the picture is squished into the center of the screen.

Can anyone out there help me out with detailed step-by-step instructions on how to get native pixel mapping? I have a TY-FB8HM HDMI board (and of course the analog PC-in), I have an NVIDIA 7900 GT on my gaming computer and an ATI 9600 on my HTPC.

So far the people who got this to work all seem to have the DVI input blade, hopefully I won't need to buy one...

I am not sure about the 8UK. My 7UY can take native rate using the HDMI card. It can definately be done using the DVI card. All contemporary, NVidia cards will output 1366x768, my 7800GT does it just fine.

- Rich

I am not sure about the 8UK. My 7UY can take native rate using the HDMI card. It can definately be done using the DVI card. All contemporary, NVidia cards will output 1366x768, my 7800GT does it just fine.

- Rich

I've so far been a proud owner of a Panny 7UY, and the 8UK was my first choice when we decided to get a second plasma for the home, but due to supply problems I went with the NEC XR5 (another awesome set).

Today I was able to upgrade my 7UY for free! Our company uses Pannys for our conference rooms etc. We got in a new shipment of 8UKs (upgrading the 42 inch screens with 50) and I was able to convince my colleague (whose dept manages these) to exchange my 7UY for one of the 8UK (I am taking responsibility for the warranty etc. if anything goes wrong with the 7UY. Anyway, the 7UY will do fine with PowerPoint and product demos)!!!

I can't believe this...I was talking to some colleagues about the HD DVD player when the topic came up :D

So I guess from Friday I'll be able to report finally as an owner of an 8UK.

Only challenge is to do the switch while the wife is away, since she doesn't quite understand why we should replace one plasma for another that looks exactly the same ;)

I do believe there are subtle differences in PQ that make me prefer the 8UK over the 7UY. Just ordered the HDMI input board as well....

I guess I'll know soon enough how the 8UK compares to my XR5, which finally looks pretty good with the XA-1!

:D

I am not sure about the 8UK. My 7UY can take native rate using the HDMI card. It can definately be done using the DVI card. All contemporary, NVidia cards will output 1366x768, my 7800GT does it just fine.

- Rich

AFAIK - 8UK will take native res over DVI or VGA input. I believe that is also true for the 7UY.

Welcome to the fold plazman!

Welcome to the fold plazman!

I've been wanting an 8UK for awhile. I've seen it enough times to really see it's strengths. I'm thinking of putting it in my living room and switching the NEC to the bedroom.

Hopefully the table stand that I bought for the 7UY (I picked it up from Bang & Olufsen) will fit on the 8UK as well. I like the new round base on the 8UK, but not the one with the little feet that they had for the 7UY. The B&O stand is very elegant - makes my 7UY look more posh than even a Pio Elite (IMHO) ;)

Anyway, I'm glad to join the owners club (finally) :D

I've been wanting an 8UK for awhile.

Same, Let us all know how it goes! I am just days away from pulling the trigger on this bad boy. After months of research, nothing has been able to knock it out of 1st place on my list. :)

I've been wanting an 8UK for awhile. I've seen it enough times to really see it's strengths. I'm thinking of putting it in my living room and switching the NEC to the bedroom.

Hopefully the table stand that I bought for the 7UY (I picked it up from Bang & Olufsen) will fit on the 8UK as well. I like the new round base on the 8UK, but not the one with the little feet that they had for the 7UY. The B&O stand is very elegant - makes my 7UY look more posh than even a Pio Elite (IMHO) ;)

Anyway, I'm glad to join the owners club (finally) :DDoes this possibly mean you prefer the pannay 8 uk over the nec xr5?

I do have one last important question. Are you 8UK owners "thrilled" with PQ using SD DVD? I can't handle jerky scrolling credits, blotchy artifacting, yada yada, with a good SD DVD. I really want to know that SD DVD will shine on this display with some decent tuning. Thanks!

Does this possibly mean you prefer the pannay 8 uk over the nec xr5?

Yes. I hate to say this, but I do. The XR5 is an excellent set and I can easily see why some would prefer it over the 8UK. However, if I take a completely unbiased view (which is hard to do when you own one and not the other, and easier to do now since I'll have both), I feel the 8UK is probably the best all round performer for me in terms of PQ.

I wanted to get the 8UK, it wasn't there and got the XR5, which I like a lot, but honestly, if I saw it in a store I may not have bought it (not because it isn't good, but not my taste, just as I wouldn't have got a Pioneer Elite)!

If you aren't overly picky you'll probably like any. In these forums I read a lot of posts of people who thought the new samsungs were far better than the Pannys. I seen them on numerous occasions and have always felt that the Samsung colors were off - despite my best attempts to fix them via the menu! So, it's what appeals to you :p

I just don't think someone can objectively evaluate an 8UK panel and feel that there is another plasma that is substantially better - at any price (JMHO).

I do have one last important question. Are you 8UK owners "thrilled" with PQ using SD DVD? I can't handle jerky scrolling credits, blotchy artifacting, yada yada, with a good SD DVD. I really want to know that SD DVD will shine on this display with some decent tuning. Thanks!


I'll let you know next week. But SD is pretty good on my 7UY!

EDIT: At least as good as stretched SD can look on a plasma ;)

I'll let you know next week. But SD is pretty good on my 7UY!

EDIT: At least as good as stretched SD can look on a plasma ;)Thanks for your feedback plazman I appreciate it geno.

I do have one last important question. Are you 8UK owners "thrilled" with PQ using SD DVD? I can't handle jerky scrolling credits, blotchy artifacting, yada yada, with a good SD DVD. I really want to know that SD DVD will shine on this display with some decent tuning. Thanks!

SD DVD looks very very nice on the 8UK. I have seen none of the glitches you describe. I don't think you will be disappointed. Also, I'm not using an upconverting DVD player - just the one built in to my TiVo with DVD recorder.

SD broadcasts are another story. Some look fine, others look awful, most fall somewhere in between. Not the display's fault - just what happens when you take a low res, low quality source and blow it up on a large, hi res screen. The quality of the source material is the key, and it varies wildly.

I've had my 50 8UK for a couple of weeks right now and I love it. PQ does not quite reach my old Sony HD XBR CRT, especially if you play a DVD through component such as BTTF3. Can you say banding! But we shall move on :p

Anyway, back to my question: as the front of the manual says, this is a "Progressive High Definition Plasma Display". From what I've heard everything is upscaled to progressive at 1366x768. Is this correct? Does this mean that 1080i signal is turned into progressive (1080p)?? Kinda confused on that one. What would happen if you feed it 1080p signal?

I've had my 50 8UK for a couple of weeks right now and I love it. PQ does not quite reach my old Sony HD XBR CRT, especially if you play a DVD through component such as BTTF3. Can you say banding! But we shall move on :p

Anyway, back to my question: as the front of the manual says, this is a "Progressive High Definition Plasma Display". From what I've heard everything is upscaled to progressive at 1366x768. Is this correct? Does this mean that 1080i signal is turned into progressive (1080p)?? Kinda confused on that one. What would happen if you feed it 1080p signal?


Everything is converted to 768p (AFAIK). You should see no difference in 1080i and 1080p source....

Have you tried calibrating your set to minimize any banding?

Banding on a 8UK? None here.

SD DVD looks pretty good on the 8uk.
Then again the 8uk is the nicest plasma on this wall yet.

BTW, I wished the new 58" commercial ones are available.
I would love a bigger screen but not the substantially bigger cost of a 65".
The 58" is a nice 'compromise'.

Everything is converted to 768p (AFAIK). You should see no difference in 1080i and 1080p source....

Have you tried calibrating your set to minimize any banding?


Still breaking in at 1/2 values. I will calibrate with AVIA after my 100 hours but I seriously doubt that tweaking brightness/contrast will solve it. I am being too critical though.

No banding here, before or after ISF calibration.

SD DVD looks pretty good on the 8uk.

Hmm, pretty good is about a "B-" in my book. I was hoping for an "A-". :(

Hmm, pretty good is about a "B-" in my book. I was hoping for an "A-". :(

I'm getting my 8UK tomorrow, but in the meantime I have my 7UY - there is no banding and the Pannys are very good with SD TV mainly because you can use the excellent contrast black levels to hide a lot of the natural problems with SD content.

Also, compared to the NEC (or the new 60U) the commercial Pannys (8UK more so than even the 7UY) seems to have very little picture noise - this may be because the NEC and the 60U video processors are just too good for SD content and as a result both the bad and good are magnified and this can be a problem with bad channels since they usually have more bad then good ;)

I think the reason people are giving a B- is mainly becuase compared to DVD or HD, SD TV looks pretty bad. Also, most SD is designed for 4:3 rather than widescreens, so you'll get the standard distortions. However, if you just compare SD, the general consensus is that the commercial pannys are very good since they are designed to be used for corporate use where SD type content is pretty common....

I think the reason people are giving a B- is mainly becuase compared to DVD or HD, SD TV looks pretty bad. Also, most SD is designed for 4:3 rather than widescreens, so you'll get the standard distortions. However, if you just compare SD, the general consensus is that the commercial pannys are very good since they are designed to be used for corporate use where SD type content is pretty common....

Plazman, Thanks for the feedback. I'm more concerned with regular DVD. How would you rate DVD compared to a good CRT?

Hey Plaz...
I can't wait to hear your comparison of your new 8UK and the NEC.
Give us details on the details... especially the ones in the blacks! :D

cheers

shane

Got the box delivered. Office delivery picked up the old Panny.

Looks like packaging improved on the 8UK. Also, the set is assembled in Mexico, the 7UY was Japan.

I'm being tempted to set it up in my living room and moving the NEC to the bedroom - let me do one more pro-con review, since the NEC is pretty awesome with HD TV.

I'll be able to do a complete side by side, right in mu home. Damn, the customer meeting I have to attend at 1PM....

Having had Costco lose my first 8UK order, I decided to give them another chance to do-right.

Just placed an order for the 50" 8UK.
I'm a little disheartened that it won't arrive until the second week in June (if it arrives!), but I'll manage. ;)

I guess I'll start posting questions just like everyone else... Like...

Any concensus on which HDMI board I should get? From where?

Thanks!

shane

Got the box delivered. Office delivery picked up the old Panny.

Looks like packaging improved on the 8UK. Also, the set is assembled in Mexico, the 7UY was Japan.

I'm being tempted to set it up in my living room and moving the NEC to the bedroom - let me do one more pro-con review, since the NEC is pretty awesome with HD TV.

I'll be able to do a complete side by side, right in mu home. Damn, the customer meeting I have to attend at 1PM....

Can't wait for the review

I guess I'll start posting questions just like everyone else... Like...

Any concensus on which HDMI board I should get? From where?
As you've undoubtedly read in previous posts, Panasonic offers two versions of its HDMI terminal board. The TY-FB7HM and TY-FB8HM.

I have no idea how I can offer a consensus since I can only post my view, but I'll give it a shot...

Choose either one, unless you plan on living where you'll have PAL signals. Both are the same except the TY-FB8HM also does PAL.

As to where to get the HDMI blade? I'd personally buy one from a company that does not charge MORE than the MSRP of $145.

(http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ModelDetail?storeId=11201&catalogId=13051&itemId=94540&catGroupId=14624&surfModel=TH-50PHD8UK&displayTab=S)

Paying double for a TY-FB8HM makes no sense to me... If I could get one for the same price as a TY-FB7HM then I would buy a TY-FB8HM. No reason really, other than it's the latest version. I do NOT plan on moving to Europe in the foreseeable future either... :)

My 8UK arrived today and it's truly impressive. I just watched the Gladiator SE DVD and the picture is already an order of magnitude better (uncalibrated) than my old (ISF-calibrated) Tosh 40h80. I also watched the Aviator in HD on cable (SA4200 STB) this afternoon and the colors and black levels are amazing to my not-so-discerning eyes. The only adjustments I've made so far is to dial down contrast, brightness and sharpness from their "Best Buy" settings to zeros across the board -- I can only imagine how good it'll be after I get it calibrated in a month or so...

However, I'm having trouble getting native resolution from my HTPC (Nvidia Geforce 6600, VGA)

I have the latest driver and it's configured for 1366x768, the aspect ratio on the Panny is FULL, but the desktop is still slightly too narrow and way too high (I can't see the task bar at all and from the wallpaper it looks like I've lost about 50 pixels vertically. Other than that the picture is terrific.

I don't want to mess with the picture height and width just yet in the service menu, and was wondering if anyone else has tried the HTPC->8UK on the VGA input at native resolution without over/underscan? Should I get the DVI or HDMI blade in order to get the best HTPC experience, or should I be able to get a full desktop via VGA?

I'm ready to move on the 8UK.... a couple of questions: I live in Westchester, NY and work in Manhattan. Is there ANYWHERE in the area to actually SEE one of these? Also, where did all of you buy yours and do you have any recommendations? Thanks so much!!!!

can't wait!!!

John

Thanks TechoFobe.
Yeah, I know about the two different boards, but I also remember reading that there was a greater resolution (or something like that) with the 8-series(?). So yeah, me too... I'll be wanting that one... the latest.

Any recommendations for *where* to buy one of these?
My searches have not yielded much in the way of useful results. :(

Thanks

shane

BTW... looks like I have some time before this gets to me. June 9th?

Just got done with the break-in and hooked up the PC.

OMFG! A jaw has never dropped lower.

Yeah so the VGA input is complete garbage. I'm ready to yank it out and put in another DVI board. At first I was all happy to waltz around 1360x768 and 1368x768 but neither was quite there. Then I thought about it and gave DVI a shot. I mean we want 100% digital right? Made the whole difference in the world! The geometry is beyond perfection and 1366x768 1:1 has been achieved. Enabled ClearType and now I can surf the web and write emails from the couch.

I have officially moved my office to the living room :)

I got my Panny 8UK over the weekend. After some initial comparison I decided that the 8UK remains in the living room and (incredible but true) my wife helped my move the NEC XR5 to our bedroom.

I calibrated the 8UK using a THX disk.

Busy day at work, but here is my very quick impression on 4 movies I have watched:

1. Watched a combination of HD DVD and SD DVD on the 8UK - Busihido Blade, Serenity, Jarhead and Intepreter. One line to describe - IF there is any plasma that can do better with movies, I haven't laid eyes on it. I watched with the black bars on top for the HD DVD movies and there was no IR of any kind.

2. The 8UK picture quality is better than the 7UY (IMHO). My wife also noticed that the 7UY colors look a little dull compared to the 8UK. The 8UK is clearly better than my 7UY for HD content. The screen is also brighter.

At this point, based on my limited viewing, my consensus is that if you want a plasma display without speakers and a TV tuner you probably cannot find a display at any price that could outperform the 8UK (JMHO). If you want it all - tuner, speakers etc, probably the Pioneer Elite would be the alternative at the same PQ (again, JMHO).

I am glad I upgraded to the 8UK. On paper the 7UY and 8UK look very similar, but there are subtle differences that make the 8UK definitely more refined. I don't know what Panny just does not come up with a consumer version of these panels - same look and feel with a TV tuner, HDMI board and speakers. I don't believe the 60U can match a well calibrated 8UK (this is my impression based on how much I could tweak the picture, for some reason I could not achieve the same level of perfection with my 7UY)!

Panny should have put an HDMI board with this...

I'll post more comments if I have some time later today...

Thanks, plazman! I know we're all waiting with baited breath for your comparison of your new baby with the NEC too. Congratulations!

I got my Panny 8UK over the weekend.

Wow.

Your moniker really is appropriate. ;)

I'm green with envy. :)

Thanks plazman, as Vashti said I have been waiting patiently for this comparison. I was very close to buying the NEC but the IR issue was a turn off. And yes I know it is not a concern to most all happy NEC owners, but this says it all for me
I watched with the black bars on top for the HD DVD movies and there was no IR of any kind.

I have been debating/ waiting on the 58 60u but I am getting tired and can not hold out for a 58 9uk if there is even going to be one. I also do not like the silver on the consumer lines. Would you say the 8uk is comparable in brightness to a 60u?

I'm ready to move on the 8UK.... a couple of questions: I live in Westchester, NY and work in Manhattan. Is there ANYWHERE in the area to actually SEE one of these? Also, where did all of you buy yours and do you have any recommendations? Thanks so much!!!!

can't wait!!!

John

I got my 8UK this weekend from B&H Photo & Video in midtown (ordered Friday morning, delivered Sunday, if you can believe that, but the "White Glove" service is not all it's cracked up to be).

I ordered it online, so I don't know if they have any actually on display. I'm going there in person after work today (I'm downtown) to pick up a DVI blade, so I'll see if they have any on the show floor.

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They have very few plasmas on display, but there is a 42" Panny there -- the assistant didn't know if it was an 8UK or an older model. Looked great, though...

They're on 34th and 9th -- a huge store.

Thanks plazman, as Vashti said I have been waiting patiently for this comparison. I was very close to buying the NEC but the IR issue was a turn off. And yes I know it is not a concern to most all happy NEC owners, but this says it all for me


I have been debating/ waiting on the 58 60u but I am getting tired and can not hold out for a 58 9uk if there is even going to be one. I also do not like the silver on the consumer lines. Would you say the 8uk is comparable in brightness to a 60u?

I thought about writing some basic competitive differences between the XR5 and the 8UK. However, I honestly believe that it's not fair for me to recommend one over the other. Here are some of my observations based on initial impressions only.

1. I believe it may be somewhat easier to customize the image quality of the 8UK than the XR5. While I am sure you can get the image from the XR5 to look as refined as the 8UK, IMHO the settings menu in the Panny is much easier to use. I was able to calibrate it to get a very very good image without too much trouble. Right off the bat, the Panny had no banding problems, excellent blacks with no noise. However, on this forum you will find several folks who have had no trouble customizing their XR5, so this just may be me ;)

2. The XR5 comes with 2 HDMI inputs. This is a huge advantage (IMHO) that the XR5 has over the 8UK. I know you can get the optional HDMI boards, but everyone knows how difficult that is.

3. It is true that the XR5 is more suseptible to IR. Yesterday, just to experiment I watched (parts of) a movie with the black bars for around 20 minutes then switched to zoom and I could see the thin lines. The lines were visible for a good 10-20 minutes. However, in my regular viewing I don't switch between modes, so it's not a problem for me. I was surprised the 8UK had zero IR even from the first movie. I remember even the 7UY used to have some IR where the black lines were (not as extensive as the XR5). So this was a surprise. Overall I was impressed with the stability of the 8UK image (even without any break-in) - makes it perfect for movies.

4. In the past, I felt the XR5 did not handle movies very well. This is really not the case. The XR5 is more sensitive to noise in the source, however, when paired with a good DVD player like XA-1, I see no noise in the picture and excellent blacks.

5. While my impressions are that the total package in terms of picture quality the settings menu etc. are very refined on the 8UK, I am not sure that it flat out outperforms the XR5. I think you need to be a more sophisticated user with the XR5. Like I said, I was nervous to customize the picture since I didn't want to introduce noise into (after numerous failed efforts). So I set it and left it. With the 8UK, I found myself holding the remote and setting the picture until I got it right!

That's my basic comparison. If only Panny provided HDMI input boards with their commercial plasmas....

Plazman, do you notice any difference when viewing SD 4:3 TV stations using 8uy just stretch mode compared to the XR5 stadium stretch mode? Which looks most natural/pleasing to the eye?

cheers
Mike

"...I also remember reading that there was a greater resolution (or something like that) with the 8-series(?).
I seriously question the unsubstantiated "claims" that the TY-FB8Hm provides greater resolution (or for that matter --- any improvement in PQ). Were the claims that you read backed up by any proofs or any statements by Panasonic? I don't think that's the case. I might be wrong, but the ONLY difference between the 7HM & 8HM blades is that the latter will do PAL.

The 8HM is also not readily available here in the US, because, AFAIK, Panasonic has not yet officially released it for sale in the US market? It might be now? But at what price? The ones I've seen listed for sale are priced at double the MSRP price that Panasonoc lists for the blade.

That seems ;B'extreme[/B] to me. But, if you don't mind paying double for a blade that doesn't do anything different except handle PAL formats --- then go for it. I personally wouldn't. But --- YMMV. :)

Just got done with the break-in and hooked up the PC. OMFG! A jaw has never dropped lower. Yeah so the VGA input is complete garbage. I'm ready to yank it out and put in another DVI board.
Ummmm, good luck yanking the VGA out... :)

That is a "fixed" terminal board and wasn't designed to be "yanked" out...

I have my PC connected to the VGA inputs. Not unhappy with it at all. Looks good to me... Probably because I don't know any better? Or maybe I just can't stand the thought of not using the VGA inputs? :D

I seriously question the unsubstantiated "claims" that the TY-FB8Hm provides greater resolution (or for that matter --- any improvement in PQ). Were the claims that you read backed up by any proofs or any statements by Panasonic? I don't think that's the case. I might be wrong, but the ONLY difference between the 7HM & 8HM blades is that the latter will do PAL.

The 8HM is also not readily available here in the US, because, AFAIK, Panasonic has not yet officially released it for sale in the US market? It might be now? But at what price? The ones I've seen listed for sale are priced at double the MSRP price that Panasonoc lists for the blade.

That seems ;B'extreme[/B] to me. But, if you don't mind paying double for a blade that doesn't do anything different except handle PAL formats --- then go for it. I personally wouldn't. But --- YMMV. :)Page 7 of the TY-FB7HM Manual:
TY-FB7HM PDF Manual (http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/manual/operating_instructions/ty/fb/ty_fb7hm.pdf)

Page 7 of the TY-FB8HM Manual:
TY-FB8HM PDF Manual (http://panasonic.biz/pdp/manual/manual/operating_instructions/ty/fb/ty_fb8hm.pdf)

It appears the TY-FB7HM only takes 540 active lines of a 1080i signal instead of the full 1080 as in the TY-FB8HM.

TY-FB7HM:
Signal Format: 1125/60i (1080i) Number of Active Lines: 540

TY-FB8HM:
Signal Format: 1125/60i (1080i) Number of Active Lines: 1080

One would think you'd have better results scaling 1080i-->1080p-->768p then 1080i-->540p-->768p.

Page 7 of the TY-FB7HM Manual:

Page 7 of the TY-FB8HM Manual:

It appears the TY-FB7HM only takes 540 active lines of a 1080i signal instead of the full 1080 as in the TY-FB8HM.

This question was discussed extensively in earlier postings in this thread... The bottom line? Unless someone can "prove" otherwise, the specs in the 7HM manual are incorrect. Look back at previous posts about this if you still believe there is any difference in the two boards' resolutions, or --- call Panasonic and ask them. Last I heard, the "official" word is that the only difference between the two boards is that the 8HM does PAL, which seems logical when you consider that Panasonic hasn't released the 8HM for sale except in countries that use PAL?

Oh yeah, the 8HM will not work in a 7UY (previous generation) monitor...

Or, if you prefer, believe that the 8HM has twice the resolution at 1080i... Too bad that isn't true though. That would really be something to SEE! :D

Maybe Panasonic should issue an addendum (correction) to the 7HM manual's specs?

Thanks TechoFobe!!
Sorry I missed that. I thought I was being constructive. I've been holding out getting this plasma because of the inability to find a FB8HM. It seems the FB7HM can be easily obtained. All my questions regarding this display have been answered. Time to get one.
Thanks again.
-Mike

I do not know if it is lagit, but a seller on eBay has the TY-FB8HM cards. His add claims that he has 4 of them. But he is asking $$$

How hard/easy is it to put these HDMI terminal boards/blades into this TV?

Is it worth buying the blades for this unit? Seems like after you buy a couple of HDMI blades, the cost savings between this monitor and the 60U is neglible. Is it a superior picture, or is it just having a black TV that's the appeal of this TV?

Thanks.

The terminal cards are very easy to install before you mount the TV.

You only need one HDMI card if you want to use a pure digital signal. If you have more then one source you can either mix imputs or use a HDMI switch. BTW, DVI cards are also available if you want to connect from a PC

This TV has an amazing picture and thats why people buy it. I love mine ....

How hard/easy is it to put these HDMI terminal boards/blades into this TV?

Is it worth buying the blades for this unit? Seems like after you buy a couple of HDMI blades, the cost savings between this monitor and the 60U is neglible. Is it a superior picture, or is it just having a black TV that's the appeal of this TV?

Thanks.

Or, if you prefer, believe that the 8HM has twice the resolution at 1080i... Too bad that isn't true though. That would really be something to SEE! :D



With all due respect TechoFobe, given the differences in the manuals and the fact that the 7 series board will not work in an 8UK panel, one has to accept the possibilty that there is a difference between the 2 boards (and I have both) and you should characterize your views as being your opinion, not a statement of fact.

Contrary to you, I would advise purchasers of an 8UK panel to purchase an 8 series board if one can be found and if the difference in price is not substantial. I fail to see the logic, after spending thousands of dollars to purchase a panel, of risking potential 1080i signal "bobbing" in order to save $50.

Added note: Panasonic has been made aware of the diferences between the 2 manuals for months and, apparently, has not made an effort to either "fix" the 7 series manual or add an insert sheet to that manual to correct the resolution tables that reflect the differences between the 8 series HDMI board and the 7 series HDMI board. (Manufacturers add insert sheets all the time when a manual error is discovered and the manufacturer wants to avoid reprinting the manual.) Moreover, no Panny rep has advised me that he is certain that the table in the 7 series manual is wrong. Accordingly, one might reasonably conclude that Panasonic's failure to take any action to modify the 7 series manual suggests that the table in the 7 series manual is not wrong.

Please note that I am merely expressing an opinion on this subject.

With all due respect TechoFobe, given the differences in the manuals and the fact that the 7 series board will not work in an 8UK panel, one has to accept the possibilty that there is a difference between the 2 boards (and I have both) and you should characterize your views as being your opinion, not a statement of fact. Contrary to you, I would advise purchasers of an 8UK panel to purchase an 8 series board if one can be found and if the difference in price is not substantial. I fail to see the logic, after spending thousands of dollars to purchase a panel, of risking potential 1080i signal "bobbing" in order to save $50.
I'll start adding a disclaimer to my posts (in fine print): "All comments are solely the opinion of the poster and are very possibly incorrect." :D

"BOBBING" ??? Like with apples? :confused:

FACT: I generally don't believe a darned thing I read anywhere on the internet. OPINION: Too many people believe everything. :) As it so happens, I am a born skeptic. Irritates everyone who knows me, but I can't help myself... :eek:

Yes, there is definitely a possibility that the two boards have other differences. Anything is possible? And with all due respect (which you definitely deserve), after having called Panasonic USA, and being transferred a dozen times --- I eventually spoke with a rep who stated (as though it were fact) that there are no differences in resolutions between the two generations of HDMI terminal boards. He said that the 8th generation HDMI blade has the added benefit of being able to handle both 525/60 (NTSC) or 625/50 (PAL/SECAM) signals --- while the 7th generation blade only handles 525/60 (NTSC).

The "fact" is that I advised the same thing you did. IF the price is right and IF you can actually get the 8th gen board for the PHD8UK monitor --- I would go that route. But, it seems to me that those two "ifs" are big ones? Last I saw --- the TY-FB8HM had a street price of double the MSRP. And finding someone selling them wasn't easy. Double the price? Wow... Well, I guess that's "only" about an extra $150 so maybe you would or did (?) pay that much and are happy? That's cool. :cool: In my opinion, however, I figure why pay $150 more for something that I believe is basically the same product (because I don't need PAL capabilities).

The rep didn't mention that the 8th gen wouldn't work in the PHD7UY monitor, that's something I read posted here on this forum... (Maybe your message?) So, that isn't my opinion, but someone elese's that I "stole". :) I figure if I do that often enough, people will start to believe that I might actually know a thing or two... On second thought, I doubt anyone would be so foolish as to believe anything I say... :D

Again, it's just my opinion, but if someone is truly concerned about potential picture quality differences between these two blades, it might be wise to not take the word of anyone posting here, but to take the time to call Panasonic directly for information. Sure, some people won't believe what they hear from the manufacturer either. But if that's the case, who cares? ;) "From the horse's mouth?"

If you don't like telephones, Panasonic tech support can be contacted via email. Ask any tech-related questions someone might have? After all, as you accurately pointed out, this isn't a low-dollar investment. The Panasonic link to submit inquiries is:

http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/support/tech_support.asp

Or if you're lazy like me, call Panasonic's toll-free number: (800)524-1448

Thanks, jsf, for keeping me real... :)

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These comments are solely the opinion of TechoFobe and therefore are quite possibly eroneous.

I'll start adding a disclaimer to my posts (in fine print): "All comments are solely the opinion of the poster and are very possibly incorrect." :D

"BOBBING" ??? Like with apples? :confused:

FACT: I generally don't believe a darned thing I read anywhere on the internet. OPINION: Too many people believe everything. :) As it so happens, I am a born skeptic. Irritates everyone who knows me, but I can't help myself... :eek:

Yes, there is definitely a possibility that the two boards have other differences. Anything is possible? And with all due respect (which you definitely deserve), after having called Panasonic USA, and being transferred a dozen times --- I eventually spoke with a rep who stated (as though it were fact) that there are no differences in resolutions between the two generations of HDMI terminal boards. He said that the 8th generation HDMI blade has the added benefit of being able to handle both 525/60 (NTSC) or 625/50 (PAL/SECAM) signals --- while the 7th generation blade only handles 525/60 (NTSC).

The "fact" is that I advised the same thing you did. IF the price is right and IF you can actually get the 8th gen board for the PHD8UK monitor --- I would go that route. But, it seems to me that those two "ifs" are big ones? Last I saw --- the TY-FB8HM had a street price of double the MSRP. And finding someone selling them wasn't easy. Double the price? Wow... Well, I guess that's "only" about an extra $150 so maybe you would or did (?) pay that much and are happy? That's cool. :cool: In my opinion, however, I figure why pay $150 more for something that I believe is basically the same product (because I don't need PAL capabilities).

The rep didn't mention that the 8th gen wouldn't work in the PHD7UY monitor, that's something I read posted here on this forum... (Maybe your message?) So, that isn't my opinion, but someone elese's that I "stole". :) I figure if I do that often enough, people will start to believe that I might actually know a thing or two... On second thought, I doubt anyone would be so foolish as to believe anything I say... :D

Again, it's just my opinion, but if someone is truly concerned about potential picture quality differences between these two blades, it might be wise to not take the word of anyone posting here, but to take the time to call Panasonic directly for information. Sure, some people won't believe what they hear from the manufacturer either. But if that's the case, who cares? ;) "From the horse's mouth?"

If you don't like telephones, Panasonic tech support can be contacted via email. Ask any tech-related questions someone might have? After all, as you accurately pointed out, this isn't a low-dollar investment. The Panasonic link to submit inquiries is:

http://www.panasonic.com/business/provideo/support/tech_support.asp

Or if you're lazy like me, call Panasonic's toll-free number: (800)524-1448

Thanks, jsf, for keeping me real... :)

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These comments are solely the opinion of TechoFobe and therefore are quite possibly eroneous.

I had not realized that some scammers were trying to charge double the price for an 8 series board. At the time I purchased mine, I only paid $50 more for it, and that included shipping costs from Canada. So, I didn't mind. I too have spoken with a few Panasonic tech guys about this subject and never received a reliable explanation on this subject. I do know what the "party line" is and you are absolutely correct that the PAL support is the explanation given. Heck, you may be right in everything that you're saying, but I have some doubt and that's why I mentioned that both of us are simply sharing our opinions on this subject.

As for the lack of compatibility between an 8 series board and the 7UY panels, I recall seeing that and/or hearing that, but can't remember where or when. I just spent a few minutes doing a web search on this subject and did find a German retailer that also notes this distinction in its advertising:
http://www.panashoppen.dk/shop/default.asp?ProductID=TY-FB8HM

The Swiss Panasonic web site seems to concur:
http://www.panasonic.ch/products/product.asp?l=de&grp=011001013&mod=ty-fb8hm&typ=

Given the above, especially the Swiss Panasonic website limitation, I would not advise trying an 8 series board in a 7 series panel.

I had not realized that some scammers were trying to charge double the price for an 8 series board. At the time I purchased mine, I only paid $50 more for it, and that included shipping costs from Canada. So, I didn't mind. I too have spoken with a few Panasonic tech guys about this subject and never received a reliable explanation on this subject. I do know what the "party line" is and you are absolutely correct that the PAL support is the explanation given. Heck, you may be right in everything that you're saying, but I have some doubt and that's why I mentioned that both of us are simply sharing our opinions on this subject.

As for the lack of compatibility between an 8 series board and the 7UY panels, I recall seeing that and/or hearing that, but can't remember where or when. I just spent a few minutes doing a web search on this subject and did find a German retailer that also notes this distinction in its advertising:
http://www.panashoppen.dk/shop/default.asp?ProductID=TY-FB8HM

The Swiss Panasonic web site seems to concur:
http://www.panasonic.ch/products/product.asp?l=de&grp=011001013&mod=ty-fb8hm&typ=

Given the above, especially the Swiss Panasonic website limitation, I would not advise trying an 8 series board in a 7 series panel.
I have seen websites for "reputable" dealers charging double or even higher for the TY-FB8HM boards. Most dealers don't even have these in stock, and I believe that like you, most people who've bought them have had them shipped from dealers in Canada.

My first impulse was that the dealers charging twice the MSRP (or even more?) were price gouging... But, after I thought about it, it's not like these devices are for critical life-support devices or anything. If I have a product to sell and am asking an exorbitant (IMHO) price for it, no one is forced to pay what I am asking. And, if someone is willing to pay what I am asking --- that is entirely their choice. Who am I to say they shouldn't buy it? If you paid MSRP + $50 --- that's really just none of my business. Literally. :) So I have altered my opinion of the people charging what seems to me to be outrageous prices. These blades are scarce and if a dealer can get the price they are asking --- more power to them. When these blades are not as scarce --- the pricing will drop. And $50 more is much better than $150+.

I think that the spec listed in the 7HM manual is OBVIOUSLY wrong. I'd be willing to make a wager on it, if it weren't illegal to gamble. :)

If you still doubt that the two boards offer the same resolutions, other than PAL, then would you be so bold as to say that the (1080i) picture on the monitor you have the TY-FB8HM installed in is TWICE as good as the monitor with the TY-FB7HM? [I]TWICE AS GOOD???[/i} Holy cow, that would be one super-fine picture! :D

Personally, I "doubt" that there is any difference in their respective resolutions. It seems like plain old common sense would indicate that when the TY-FB7HM is set in a 1125/60 format it would HAVE TO output 1125 scanlines and NOT 562.5 --- like I previously noted in message #1371 in this same thread --- how can there be HALF a SCANLINE? :o

Okay... I've now officially beat this dead horse 'way enuff. :eek:

Just to add a minor update to this:
Copied from my other thread...

"Well... made a lot of phone calls.
It appears that most places have these coming in on May 27th or 31st. This is good news."

I just placed my order with CostCentral which is charging way *below* MSRP. :D

shane

Sorry for being late to the party, but if I buy the 8UK monitor, which blade/board do I need to add HDMI inputs? This 7th vs. 8th generation thing has me bambooled.

Thanks.

I have seen websites for "reputable" dealers charging double or even higher for the TY-FB8HM boards. Most dealers don't even have these in stock, and I believe that like you, most people who've bought them have had them shipped from dealers in Canada.

My first impulse was that the dealers charging twice the MSRP (or even more?) were price gouging... But, after I thought about it, it's not like these devices are for critical life-support devices or anything. If I have a product to sell and am asking an exorbitant (IMHO) price for it, no one is forced to pay what I am asking. And, if someone is willing to pay what I am asking --- that is entirely their choice. Who am I to say they shouldn't buy it? If you paid MSRP + $50 --- that's really just none of my business. Literally. :) So I have altered my opinion of the people charging what seems to me to be outrageous prices. These blades are scarce and if a dealer can get the price they are asking --- more power to them. When these blades are not as scarce --- the pricing will drop. And $50 more is much better than $150+.

I think that the spec listed in the 7HM manual is OBVIOUSLY wrong. I'd be willing to make a wager on it, if it weren't illegal to gamble. :)

If you still doubt that the two boards offer the same resolutions, other than PAL, then would you be so bold as to say that the (1080i) picture on the monitor you have the TY-FB8HM installed in is TWICE as good as the monitor with the TY-FB7HM? [I]TWICE AS GOOD???[/i} Holy cow, that would be one super-fine picture! :D

Personally, I "doubt" that there is any difference in their respective resolutions. It seems like plain old common sense would indicate that when the TY-FB7HM is set in a 1125/60 format it would HAVE TO output 1125 scanlines and NOT 562.5 --- like I previously noted in message #1371 in this same thread --- how can there be HALF a SCANLINE? :o

Okay... I've now officially beat this dead horse 'way enuff. :eek:

TechoFobe: I don't think that the specs suggest that the TY-FB8HM is twice as good as the TY-FB7HM in displaying 1080i source material. The only difference that the specs suggest is that the newer blade will hold 1/2 of the source material (the first 540 ACTIVE scan lines of a 1080i signal, if you will) in memory until it has the 2nd. half of the source material and then display all the lines at the same time. HDTV's that "bob" 1080i signal simply display the 1080i source as it comes in, 1/2 at a time. Except for action sequences, the human eye is supposedly not capable of discerning the difference.

Note that the key here is to focus on the "active" lines of a particular video format, not the total lines that the format can, in theory, render. Thus, 1080i may be referenced as 1125/60i, but the number of active lines is limited to 1080. The specs suggest that the 7 series board renders these active lines immediately (i.e. every other line of the 1080 signal is rendered) while the 8 series board suggests that it may hold the first 540 active lines of the 1080i source material and render it only after the panel receives the remaining 540 active lines of the 1080i source, then convert all 1080 lines to the panel's native resolution. Apparently, the more sophistocated and preferred approach to rendering 1080i source material is to follow the latter approach. Within the industry, the former approach is known as "bobbing" and was the subject of a magazine article (more like an expose) last year.

Please understand that I am only stating that the specs SUGGEST this distinction. One could also argue that the specs reflect the fact that a 1080i signal can only process 540 active lines at a time as, by definition, a 1080i signal is broadcast and received 1/2 at a time (i.e. interlaced).

Regardless, don't you find it interesting that Panasonic routinely ships the 8 series HDMI blade to Canada despite the fact that Canada tv does not broadcast in PAL?

What I can say, boldly or subtly, is that the PQ using the 8 series HDMI for 1080i source material derived from my Comcast STB is spectacular and is noticeably better than the PQ that I presently enjoy from my DirecTV HD source using the 7 series HDMI blade, even when set to 1080i. It is also noticeably better than it was previously when I used component cables to connect the Comcast STB. (When I previously used component cables, the PQ from my DirecTV source was equal to or better than the PQ from the Comcast STB.) Having said this, I have no practical way of comparing PQ from comparable sources and I know that PQ from satellite sources is not as good as PQ from cable.

So, on balance, I always advise others that it isn't worth risking being wrong about the potential difference between the 7 and 8 series blades if the difference in costs is minimal (say $50), especially when the investment in the panel is so high. Then again, I am also the kind of guy that probably buys too much insurance.

Sorry for being late to the party, but if I buy the 8UK monitor, which blade/board do I need to add HDMI inputs? This 7th vs. 8th generation thing has me bambooled.

Thanks.

Look at the post just above yours.

TY-FB8HM HDMI board is the one for the 8UK.

shane

TY-FB8HM HDMI board is the one for the 8UK.

The TY-FB7HM will also work fine in the 8UK. The TY-FB8HM is the latest & greatest revision and most likely a little bit better -- this argument continues to drag on.

The TY-FB7HM will also work fine in the 8UK. The TY-FB8HM is the latest & greatest revision and most likely a little bit better -- this argument continues to drag on.

I couldn't agree more. Sorry. :)

The TY-FB7HM will also work fine in the 8UK. The TY-FB8HM is the latest & greatest revision and most likely a little bit better -- this argument continues to drag on.

Yeah, I know, but even by your post on the other thread, the advantage is to the 8-series.

He seemed confused and I wanted to end his confusion. :D

shane

Then again, I am also the kind of guy that probably buys too much insurance.jsf:

That's a hoot... I believe that insurance is a horrible rip-off scam. Wealthy people self-insure. Poor people can't afford to. (Talk about my getting way off-topic! ) :)

Okay... I've now officially beat this dead horse 'way enuff.

The spec's listing for the 7HM is that: 1125/60 format has 562.5 scanlines. Don't you find it at all curious that they list the number of scanlines as being 562 and a half? Did I miss the explanation for how it is possible to have a half of a scanline? :D

Let's agree to disagree and put this issue to bed?

Taking one last whack at that poor old dead horse...)

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Newbie here. I've just setup my 50PHD8UK. HD tv programs are fantastic via comcast connecting directly with component cables. however, the picture quality (i.e, sharpness of image) isn't as "stunning" with my upconvert dvd player connecting directly to the monitor via HDMI. The edges of actors are jagged and sometimes experiencing blotchy artifacts in darker scenes such as in the March of the Penguins dvd. I've tried $80-500 DVD players all through HDMI and they generate similiar results even with Faroujda on some units. Cables are all higher-range Monster Cables as testers (again, newbie here :). I know that DVDs are different but I feel like I'm missing out on something. Am I too critical and should I have set lower expectations with this monitor? I've exhausted all options and tried to narrow down the variables. I'm hoping I'm missing some important configuraton allowing for a clean picture with DVDs through HDMI. Connecting DVD players through component cables to monitor does the same thing too. Monitor has only 15 hours on it. Not sure if the set needs "seasoning" in order for it to come to it's full potential with DVDs.

Anyone else experiencing the same with DVD player connecting with HDMI?

Thanks,
Ron

It appears that most places have these coming in on May 27th or 31st. This is good news.Shane,
That's great news if it's true! 'Course it's no big deal to advertise a super-low price if you are "out of stock". :)

Talk about ending the whole mess... If the 8HM is readily available at a discounted price, there would be absolutely no reasonable reason to buy a 7HM (unless it's for a PHD7UY monitor)...

Thanks for the heads up. Lots of people will be waiting with bated breath! :cool:

Yes i would guess we are all having this issue. DVDs are mastered at 480p and this is why a DVD source will always look worse then an HD image, upconvert or non up convert

If you want HD quality DVDs then you need a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player

Newbie here. I've just setup my 50PHD8UK. HD tv programs are fantastic via comcast connecting directly with component cables. however, the picture quality (i.e, sharpness of image) isn't as "stunning" with my upconvert dvd player connecting directly to the monitor via HDMI. The edges of actors are jagged and sometimes experiencing blotchy artifacts in darker scenes such as in the March of the Penguins dvd. I've tried $80-500 DVD players all through HDMI and they generate similiar results even with Faroujda on some units. Cables are all higher-range Monster Cables as testers (again, newbie here :). I know that DVDs are different but I feel like I'm missing out on something. Am I too critical and should I have set lower expectations with this monitor? I've exhausted all options and tried to narrow down the variables. I'm hoping I'm missing some important configuraton allowing for a clean picture with DVDs through HDMI. Connecting DVD players through component cables to monitor does the same thing too. Monitor has only 15 hours on it. Not sure if the set needs "seasoning" in order for it to come to it's full potential with DVDs.

Anyone else experiencing the same with DVD player connecting with HDMI?

Thanks,
Ron

Let's agree to disagree and put this issue to bed?


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Deal. ;)

Ron I am experiencing exactly the same thing as you are. Picture is just not clean with DVD's. If this is just the source material limit, I have to say that bites the big one. I don't think I have ever seen anybody say that DVD's look like crap on this display, everyone is always raving (or maybe it's just the HD they're talking about).

Dennis

Newbie here. I've just setup my 50PHD8UK. HD tv programs are fantastic via comcast connecting directly with component cables. however, the picture quality (i.e, sharpness of image) isn't as "stunning" with my upconvert dvd player connecting directly to the monitor via HDMI. The edges of actors are jagged and sometimes experiencing blotchy artifacts in darker scenes such as in the March of the Penguins dvd. I've tried $80-500 DVD players all through HDMI and they generate similiar results even with Faroujda on some units. Cables are all higher-range Monster Cables as testers (again, newbie here :). I know that DVDs are different but I feel like I'm missing out on something. Am I too critical and should I have set lower expectations with this monitor? I've exhausted all options and tried to narrow down the variables. I'm hoping I'm missing some important configuraton allowing for a clean picture with DVDs through HDMI. Connecting DVD players through component cables to monitor does the same thing too. Monitor has only 15 hours on it. Not sure if the set needs "seasoning" in order for it to come to it's full potential with DVDs.

Anyone else experiencing the same with DVD player connecting with HDMI?

Thanks,
Ron

So when people say that their DVD movies is "stunning" and "sharp" on this monitor, is it really true or may I be too critical? Don't get me wrong, I love it in comcast high-def programs but when watching DVDs via HDMI I actually wish for a good ole' standard TV (as sad as that may sound). I've only had the thing for 6 days and have tried to make the image sharper with my DVDs. For those that are truly happy with their DVD quality using HDMI direct connect I would love to hear about your setup in terms of DVD player, cables and which DVD movie (non-animation) I should try out. I've been using Firefly and KillBill 2 as my test DVDs for comparison value.

Is it safe to assume that no there isn't a magical configuration I can set on this monitor if the only criteria I want is a sharp image above all else? I'll even take a black and white image as long as the picture is somewhat sharp without visual noise and artifacts. I'm also realistic that it won't be HD quality because I'm not using a HD DVD player but with all the threads I've read about "stunning" DVD movie quality I'm a bit disappointed but hope someone can convince me otherwise. My last TV was a 19" tube TV just so I can put it in perspective what I've been looking at for the last 7 years. Technically savvy and not afraid to tweak so I'm open to any suggestions if folks can help me with a viable solution.

Basically, will an upconvert DVD player through HDMI direct connect to the monitor with a well produced DVD movie disc prove me wrong? I'm really hoping so. No detail is too small if I can achieve a good picture; "stunning" would be good to have but I don't think it's realistic yet :) Have been visiting all the local AV stores to get the opinions of staff but none really seem to care about DVD picture quality of images but rather whether the colors are accurate and if black is rendered correctly. Just looking for a good overall picture when watching non-HD DVDs.

Thanks,
Ron

Well, I'm certainly no videophile but I'm using the same Panasonic RP62 player and component cables with my new 8UK, and DVDs (to date I've tested Gladiator SE and the remastered Unforgiven disc) look to be no worse than on my old (ISF calibrated) Toshiba RPTV. In fact, I'd say they look a darn sight better. I haven't used HDMI because I have no sources that are HDMI, and I'm not planning to upgrade anything based on what I've seen so far.

Of course, I'm not really looking for "sharp" when it comes to movies, I'm looking for "film-like", which aren't necessarily the same thing.

Ok, I have tested more DVD's, and I'm thinking this is primarily a source material issue. Monsters Inc. had significantly less pixelation around white letters on dark background. This may be just a case of GIGO, Garbage In Garbage Out.

Anyone try Sound of Music on their 50"? It was just HORRIBLE. And it was supposedly "Digitally Remastered".

Dennis

Of course, I'm not really looking for "sharp" when it comes to movies, I'm looking for "film-like", which aren't necessarily the same thing.
The "film-like" you are referring to is like "blurry" you mean?

I find what it appears to be "true" picture quality is to have sharpness. Sharpness is one of the most important ingredient to make picture "quality". Probably more important than anything else listed.

For me sharpness is absolutely required. Blurry pictures are bad for eye balls anyway. You will lose focus, and make you go sleepy. Sharpness keeps you stay up nice and clear. Great feeling, great looking.

This is another reason why I'm against Anti Aliasing in games. You keep that Anisotropic filtering way up! Sharpness give you clarity and more definition. More sharpness means more textures can be defined. You people should learn to appreciate the power of sharpness. ;)

Anyone try Sound of Music on their 50"?


Errm... No. No I haven't. :)

The "film-like" you are referring to is like "blurry" you mean?

I find what it appears to be "true" picture quality is to have sharpness. Sharpness is one of the most important ingredient to make picture "quality". Probably more important than anything else listed.

For me sharpness is absolutely required. Blurry pictures are bad for eye balls anyway. You will lose focus, and make you go sleepy. Sharpness keeps you stay up nice and clear. Great feeling, great looking.

This is another reason why I'm against Anti Aliasing in games. You keep that Anisotropic filtering way up! Sharpness give you clarity and more definition. You people should learn to appreciate the power of sharpness. ;)

I'm sitting 13 feet away from my TV, and I'm not as young as I used to be. If I'm getting nauseated with motion sickness while watching an action scene - I'd say that's too sharp :)

Ron I am experiencing exactly the same thing as you are. Picture is just not clean with DVD's.

Ok, for $3G you get crappy SD and less than great DVD? What's that leave you with -- 10 HD channels with pretty scenery?! Not good enough. :mad:

1. Get your set ISF calibrated.
2. Try DVD players without Faroudja scalers.
3. DVDs are not mastered in 480p.

Well I am going to stop by a nearby audio/videophile place and try some other DVD players. I can't speak to SD quality yet, have not watched TV. As well, I haven't even AVIA calibrated it, so who knows. Lord of the Rings looked good. I just haven't experienced "wow" yet. Will keep trying. ISF calibration I may consider down the road.

Dennis

Ok, for $3G you get crappy SD and less than great DVD? What's that leave you with -- 10 HD channels with pretty scenery?! Not good enough. :mad:

Pull out the HDMI cable and plug the DVD player into good old component and let the TV do the scaling. Compare to how the DVD player up-converts. The simple fact that ALL DIGITAL TV's basically have to scale no matter what the res is means that sometimes the scaler in the TV will be better and sometimes the scaler in the source box is. I find I like the DVD player hooked up through component and the Panasonic's internal scaler does a good job with DVD's. Well mastered DVD's sometimes fool me into thinking I am looking at HD material, any Pixar movie for example.

-Jerry C.

SD on this TV is crap in crap out.

Do you think a 36" CRT TV has a good picture? I would say this plasma has almost that good of an SD picture. Remember this is a 50" TV.

DVD, this is the same story. An upconverted DVD looks almost as good as a progressive scan DVD on a CRT TV.

Its all about content, play XBOX 360 and you will be blown away, watch HDTV broadcast and you will have one of the best pictures a 50" TV can produce, HD-DVD will be insane on this TV

It is all about the source


Ok, for $3G you get crappy SD and less than great DVD? What's that leave you with -- 10 HD channels with pretty scenery?! Not good enough. :mad:

Ok, for $3G you get crappy SD and less than great DVD? What's that leave you with -- 10 HD channels with pretty scenery?! Not good enough. :mad:
Mule,

Are you called Mule65 because you are "as stubborn as 65 mules"? :D

I do agree, however, with the point you are making... If you think that plasma dispays are not worth the money --- you shouldn't buy one. If it's your informed opinion that the picture is "crappy" except when watching all but 10-channels, it wouldn't make sense to buy one. I wonder though, just how "informed" your opinion is...

IMHO, the money I spent on my Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK plasma screen monitor was worth every penny. I do NOT think the picture is crappy, just the opposite in fact, it is superb. If you compare programs broadcast in SD or with DVDs to programs in HD --- the SD or SD-DVD programs are rather "crappy" --- but everything is RELATIVE. And, "rather crappy" is still a magnitude better than the same programming viewed on my old 36" CRT... Which, I guess is why I spent over $3k for my monitor. But, then, I could afford to spend that much money and consider it to be money well-spent.

An excentric (crazy?) friend of mine insists that he prefers watching his 9" CRT television monitor. Believes it is far better than any & all larger screen televisions... Sure, I think he might be bonkers, but he's entitled to his opinion --- just the same as you and I. :)

While you are watching YOUR little TV, I will be enjoying mine. Seems most fair to me. ;)

The new King Kong dvd movie I saw on my Plasma(50 PHD series), I almost p**ed my pants. The picture was too good.

And, "rather crappy" is still a magnitude better than the same programming viewed on my old 36" CRT...

Hmmm, nobody has ever said DVD's on my 32" Sony XBR CRT look "rather crappy." -- quite the opposite. I've looked at everything possible over the last few months and read more than I can stand. My "informed" decision is to go with the TH-42PWD8UK until I can get a 50" 1080p flat panel for $2k and a HD-DVD player for $100. For half the price of the TH-50PHD8UK I'm willing to trade some screen size and HD-Lite PQ for much better DVD and SD PQ. Eeeeyore! :D

Hmmm, nobody has ever said DVD's on my 32" Sony XBR CRT look "rather crappy." -- quite the opposite. I've looked at everything possible over the last few months and read more than I can stand. My "informed" decision is to go with the TH-42PWD8UK until I can get a 50" 1080p flat panel for $2k and a HD-DVD player for $100. For half the price of the TH-50PHD8UK I'm willing to trade some screen size and HD-Lite PQ for much better DVD and SD PQ. Eeeeyore! :D
Who said your "32" Sony XBR CRT" looks rather crappy? Not me! Did I miss something here? I thought that YOU said "Ok, for $3G you get crappy SD and less than great DVD?"??? :confused: Yep, I am definitely confused...

Let me get this straight... Are you suggesting that the TH-50PHD8UK monitor has "rather crappy" SD & DVD displays? Maybe I misunderstood you??? :)

And, are you saying that the TH-42PWD8UK has superior picture quality to the TH-50PHD8UK? Or, are you just saying that you believe that the 50PHD costs too much?

Hey, if you wait long enough, you can probably get these things for free when you open an account at your local bank... :D

I'd write more, but I think I'll go ENJOY watching Cool Hand Luke on my TH-50PHD8UK right now...

Strother Martin: "What we have here... is a failure to communicate."

Who said your "32" Sony XBR CRT" looks rather crappy? Not me! Did I miss something here?
You said, DVD and SD look better on your 8UK than CRT -- many disagree.

Let me get this straight... Are you suggesting that the TH-50PHD8UK monitor has "rather crappy" SD & DVD displays? Maybe I misunderstood you??? :)
Yes -- it seems many have said this.

And, are you saying that the TH-42PWD8UK has superior picture quality to the TH-50PHD8UK?
No for HD.
Yes for SD and DVD.

Or, are you just saying that you believe that the 50PHD costs too much?
Yes -- $3G is a lot for 10 HD channels. :)

Mule, either you have a very defective TV or your standards are way out of wack. This TV has the best picture available from a 50" plasma.

One thing I can say, if you by the TH-42WD8UK - SD will not look any better then on the TH-42HD8UK, and you want be able to watch HD at all. Since HD is the future of TV you would be cutting your self out of all the new "jaw droping" HD content that is getting released. Every show I want to watch is already in HD, so it was a no brainer choice for me



Hmmm, nobody has ever said DVD's on my 32" Sony XBR CRT look "rather crappy." -- quite the opposite. I've looked at everything possible over the last few months and read more than I can stand. My "informed" decision is to go with the TH-42PWD8UK until I can get a 50" 1080p flat panel for $2k and a HD-DVD player for $100. For half the price of the TH-50PHD8UK I'm willing to trade some screen size and HD-Lite PQ for much better DVD and SD PQ. Eeeeyore! :D

One thing I can say, if you by the TH-42WD8UK - SD will not look any better then on the TH-42HD8UK, and you want be able to watch HD at all.

Sorry Route66, but that is just flat out false. I'm not sure where you've been doing your research, but it is pretty much a know fact that SD and DVD will look better on an EDTV. Also, the comment about "wont even be able to watch HD at all" confuses me. Do you think that the PWD8UK will not accept 720p or 1080i material? If so, that is not the case, the PWD will accept it and display it VERY well. Just as good if not better (IMHO) than the PHD, if viewing distance is about 8ft or greater.

One thing I can say, if you by the TH-42WD8UK - SD will not look any better then on the TH-42HD8UK, and you want be able to watch HD at all. Since HD is the future of TV you would be cutting your self out of all the new "jaw droping" HD content that is getting released. Every show I want to watch is already in HD, so it was a no brainer choice for me

TOTALLY WRONG! HD will look great on the TH-42WD8UK. SD and DVD will look better on the TH-42WD8UK than on the TH-42HD8UK: Native format SD and DVD means minimal scaling and picture processing which means faster, better PQ. The ED has better contrast ratio than the same HD which makes for a better PQ. The ED's larger pixel size provides a brighter picture. Don't spread misinformation.

HD-Lite will look better on the HD-Lite displays.

I find this silly coming from a guy who thinks the TH-50HD8UK has a bad picture. Are you trying to say an ED resolution TV will have a great HD picture now. Get a life man, you make no sense at all

TH-42WD8UK will do HD content down scalled to EDTV hence its 852 x 480 resolution, how can this look "great"

I agree that native SD content will look better in its native resolution. the TH-50HD8UK does need to scale the image to it native resolution of 1,366 x 768 to display it, this will make the picture look a worse.

But even the TH-42WD8UK needs to scale the image to make it 16x9 (full screen). SD content is 4x3 native, this also has a negative effect on PQ

I also know the WD models have a higher contrast ratio. With this said I have my contrast turned so far down on my TH-50HD8UK to get the best picture it is not even funny

If you want to talk about a TH-42WD8UK start a new thread, this is a TH-50HD8UK thread

SD = suck - HD = "great" and we all know it


TOTALLY WRONG! HD will look great on the TH-42WD8UK. SD and DVD will look better on the TH-42WD8UK than on the TH-42HD8UK: Native format SD and DVD means minimal scaling and picture processing which means faster, better PQ. The ED has better contrast ratio than the same HD which makes for a better PQ. The ED's larger pixel size provides a brighter picture. Don't spread misinformation.

HD-Lite will look better on the HD-Lite displays.

no native HD - all down scaled to EDTV 480p

How on earth can this look better ?

All plasmas look better at a 8ft distance, screen door if closer


Sorry Route66, but that is just flat out false. I'm not sure where you've been doing your research, but it is pretty much a know fact that SD and DVD will look better on an EDTV. Also, the comment about "wont even be able to watch HD at all" confuses me. Do you think that the PWD8UK will not accept 720p or 1080i material? If so, that is not the case, the PWD will accept it and display it VERY well. Just as good if not better (IMHO) than the PHD, if viewing distance is about 8ft or greater.

EDTVs can look the same as HDTVs, with like brands, at 8+ feet. Your eye can not see the added resolution at greater distances. (IMHO)

Are you trying to say an ED resolution TV will have a great HD picture now. Get a life man, you make no sense at all

TH-42WD8UK will do HD content down scalled to EDTV hence its 852 x 480 resolution, how can this look "great"

I also know the WD models have a higher contrast ratio.


Look I don't want to get in a pissing contest with you, but YES HD content on an EDTV does look great. You've obviously never seen HD on a EDTV Panny or NEC or you would not be making these comments. Resolution is only one piece of a great picture. You really need to do some more research on the topic because you're starting to make yourself look a little silly.

no native HD - all down scaled to EDTV 480p

How on earth can this look better ?

Due to the added contrast ratio you acknowledged above, I have actually seen some material look better on the EDTV. Look, you can have your own opinion....but please don't state your comments as if they are facts....

you will have to accept a fact that the EDTVs have more limitations, will not give you the thang so-called "headroom". This is an important keyword guys.

EDTVs are not bad TVs, but it's just not best(if you are really serious about PQ) for viewing true HDs. Also, for PC use, you will run into problems in res. With HD-DVD movies starting to come out, HDTV is crucial to have.



Anyways... Even with HDTV, looks darn good to me viewing DVD video below.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/3963/img19800zv.jpg



... and allrightie meowCats, let's get along.... :o

Anyways... Even with HDTV, looks darn good to me viewing DVD video below.

What's the title of that dvd? Or is it really HDTV?

What's the title of that dvd? Or is it really HDTV?
that one is Yuko Ogura's DVD collection. It comes with 6 video clips, all are in vob files. It's a DVD quality at 480p viewing on my TH-50PHD7UY. :)

that one is Yuko Ogura's DVD collection. It comes with 6 video clips, all are in vob files. It's a DVD quality at 480p viewing on my TH-50PHD7UY. :)

Looks the same as this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7630424&&#post7630424)

Looks the same as this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7630424&&#post7630424)
those are 1080p HD clips. the one I posted here is 480p. :)

those are 1080p HD clips. the one I posted here is 480p. :)

Looks awesome! This further supports my decision that 480p is plenty good enough for now. :)

no wonder you think the HD TV you have sucks, your going blind - these pictures do not look the same at all, can you not see the additional PQ in the 1080P picture?


Looks the same as this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7630424&&#post7630424)

Glad you think so, go buy a EDTV and post on another thread -

Oh, and get some glasses

Looks awesome! This further supports my decision that 480p is plenty good enough for now. :)

Route66-HDTV-

Click this. (http://www.grammarstation.com/servlet/GGuide?type=BasicGrammar)

Route66-HDTV-

Click this. (http://www.grammarstation.com/servlet/GGuide?type=BasicGrammar)

:D