First off, a big, BIG thanks to Candace at Visual Apex for pulling some strings to get this to work for me; these came in late Thursday, and she made double sure that the order processing went through so that I could pick it up on Friday- the first 50PHD8UK to leave their warehouse! I can't recommend VA highly enough; from now on, if they sell it, I'm buying it from them.

I created this thread to log my impressions to anyone who cares to read about them, but as new owners come online, be sure to add your own! Note that I'm not exactly a videophile (though I think I tend to be very picky) and that this is my first HDTV of any kind. Actually, it's because of this fact that I'm horribly underprepared for my new toy. The sole device connected to my television at the moment is my Humax DirecTV TiVo unit, through S-Video. I don't even have a component DVD player, (a situation I hope to remedy tomorrow morning) so all I can comment on so far is the DirecTV SD video quality.

First some unboxing pictures:
http://www.aykew.com/misc/avs/semiUnboxed1.jpg http://www.aykew.com/misc/avs/semiUnboxed2.jpg

The unit came double boxed insulated with styrofoam blocks. Seems like a perfectly safe way to transport; the boxes are heavy-duty and intelligently designed. The foam moulded to the panel's contours perfectly and hold it very snugly indeed.

Wall mounting was a harrowing experience (just from nerves- I've never hung something that costs $3k on a wall before!) but my father-in-law and I managed to get it on the wall pretty well. I thought I'd be nervous about the quality of our install at this point in time, but with four 3" lag bolts into the wall studs, that thing isn't going anywhere!

When I turned it on for the first time... wow. Even though it was a DirecTV SD feed, the picture I got was rich, saturated and about as sharp as I could have expected. I was actually prepared to feel disappointed after watching SD content on other panels in the stores, but the picture really exceeded my expectations. (Now, I'm not sure if this is due to low expectations or high performance, but I'm happy either way!)

http://www.aykew.com/misc/avs/goodEats.jpg

My hero, Alton Brown from Good Eats is looking good here. The picture is extremely watchable. Being that Good Eats is a cooking show, it has a lot of text onscreen at various times. The text all looks great, though I can't wait till Food Network switches over to HD. It's weird to see how Just mode messes with your head during camera pans. I imagine I'll get used to it faster than watching people in "fat head" mode, though.

http://www.aykew.com/misc/avs/crappyPrisonBreakFeed.jpg

I thought I'd try something that was definitely of sub-par video quality; for some reason the season premiere of Prison Break looked just awful. Here you can see some heavy banding going on, which is 100% the feed's fault. Though this did look marginally worse on the plasma compared with my old CRT, I have to say that it's still not unwatchable... unpleasant, unenjoyable maybe, but... well, I've watched worse. :)

http://www.aykew.com/misc/avs/perspectiveView.jpg

Here's a nice perspective view so you can see how it hangs on the wall. I'm using the Peerless flat mount that VA sells. It's quite a slick device, and I highly recommend it. There are lots of adjustments, so even once the bolts are in the wall, you should be able to play around with it a bit if you're not happy with your leveling or placement. It sits quite flush against the wall; the front of the bezel is a hair under 5" from the wall.

Once I have a chance to finish up my install properly, none of those cables will be visible. I'll also have a floating shelf below the TV to put components I need to interact with physically. (DVD player, video game consoles, etc)

More pics and impressions tomorrow after I grab my new DVD player. I will confirm whether or not this set has any black level shifting problems tomorrow too, but I didn't notice it at all during my viewing so far (about an hour).

Now of to bed... or watch the TV some more. ;)

Nice choice! And, I like the fact you've picked up on "Prison Break." Good show, I can't wait to catch some on my 42" PHD8UK in HDTV. ;)

VA was great to me as well, and I can't recommend them enough. I couldn't even get TVA to answer any of my questions, even after 4 days of trying. VA was far and away the better choice. Glad you were able to get yours too. I think I was the first to get the 42" from them, so I'm glad to meet the one who picked up the 50".

Cheers.

Nice choice! And, I like the fact you've picked up on "Prison Break." Good show, I can't wait to catch some on my 42" PHD8UK in HDTV. ;)

VA was great to me as well, and I can't recommend them enough. I couldn't even get TVA to answer any of my questions, even after 4 days of trying. VA was far and away the better choice. Glad you were able to get yours too. I think I was the first to get the 42" from them, so I'm glad to meet the one who picked up the 50".


Yeah, other than the video quality, I enjoyed Prison Break a lot. (I really like the trend towards highly serialized shows like Lost and 24.) I just hope the feed improves next week!

Glad to hear you got your 42! Of course... you realize, of course, that many people hate us now, right? ;)

YOf course... you realize, of course, that many people hate us now, right? ;)

Hate???

You guys are the "Guinea Pigs" . We're hoping there will be no issues like the "7UY" Models.

So... we love you !!! ;) :D :D :D


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No hate. Envy? Oh my gosh yes... sick with it! ;)

Congrats on your purchases, and we'll be expecting more reviews and reports! Detailed... and with pics to match. ;)

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shane

I'm very curious about how the 50PHD8UK stacks up once you're watching DVD's and other tests. Anyone that has purchased this, please share your comments here!

I don't see any way on the VA web site to check status of my order. I ordered the 50" a week ago, they emailed me saying it was back ordered. Still waiting for notice of a ship date.

I hope to mount it on the same mount that is currently holding my 42" 7UY. I do not know if it will fit on the Peerless articulating arm or not.

Hello, did you try your dvd player yet? Any hd? Its killing me waiting for more impressions :) Thanks and later

Be still my beating heart!! All black, no silly silver shining anywhere!! And at an attractive price as well. I may have found my Christmas present to myself. :)

Thanks for your post! Can you answer one question. From the pictures and diagrams I've looked at, it seems like the back handles protrude further back then the rest of the set. (ie. where you would screw on the mounting plate is actually recessed compared to the handles.) Is that correct? Could you estimate how much? Trying to figure out mounting here before making my order. :D

Sorry for making you all wait! To tell the truth, it's been very hard to pull my eyes away from my new set. :)

DVD impressions:
I've got my new Denon 1710 hooked up via component cables. (The least expensive monster cables I could find... I know, I know, Monster isn't a great value, but it's all the store had!) The Denon has a auto-gamma correcting feature turned on by default, which I deactivated. I'm thinking I'll do a side-by-side when the new Sony DVP-NS70H is available and return the one I don't like as much.

The first disc I popped in was Kung Fu Hustle, which I highly recommend both for the video transfer and the movie. The first thing that struck me was how gorgeous the title screen looked. It's black, white and red and the colors really just popped off the screen. My wife remarked on how it looked like it had been printed on paper, and I agree!

The movie itself was just wonderful, though keeping the movie on its original aspect ratio (1.85:1, I think) was a little stressful because of the thin black bars at the top and bottom. I stuck it out though, and there aren't any negative consequences to speak of! Colors were well saturated, and I didn't have any trouble resolving details at all, even during some of the night scenes.

Next, I watched the pilot episode of Firefly and paid special attention to the space scenes. The TV's ability to render shadow detail isn't perfect, but it is very, very good. I swapped the DVD player's gamma mode on and off to see if there was anything I was missing. The gamma mode boosts the black levels into grey and also raises the contrast a little. There were a few details here and there that got lost in the shadows without it on, but the darker blacks are certainly worth it.

I also used this disc to test the TVs deinterlacer. I put a scene where the camera pulls out from a tight shot of the crew in spacesuits to a wider shot that shows the ship. Lots of debris at diagonal angles here. Using the 480i output on the DVD player, there was a little bit of dot crawl and roughness on the diagonals, especially one of the dark lines on the ship. (The joint between two pieces of plating) On a 480p output, the lines did seem to resolve better, but I noticed that the smoothness of the pan-out was a little diminished (like the frame rate had been turned down a little). Overall, I think I prefer using the Denon's deinterlacer, but I'm going to have to do a little more testing.

For those concerned about the shifting black level problem that had plagued last generation's 42", you'll be happy to know that I haven't seen any evidence of that here. (Though I suppose it's possible that it's happening to me and I'm just not noticing.) I used both Firefly and Finding Nemo for testing this. On Finding Nemo, I paid particular attention to the black levels in the scene where Dory and Marlin go down into the trench. This is challenging because not only is it a smooth fade into black, but there are about 10 seconds of nothing BUT black, followed by a speck of light. I'll have to watch this tonight when there isn't so much ambient light around, but I didn't see anything to suggest the black level problem is present.

Video games
I hooked up my Xbox via component cables to do a short blaze through the first level of Halo 2, which is pretty dark in places. This really gave the Panasonic's ability to render low-luminosity details a chance to shine. I didn't lose track of any of my targets and could easily distinguish the bad guys from the good guys in dark areas. One thing that floored me was how sharply the TV rendered the game. So sharply, in fact, that I could see aliased edges, mip mapping and other frame rate-enhancing graphics tricks that I never noticed before, even on my brother-in-law's ED Gateway. (A moment of silence for his inferior hardware....) I am now SERIOUSLY jonesing for the next generation consoles; the PS3 and Xbox 360 are both Hi definition by default (and mandate, I believe) and should be so very, very sweet indeed.

Not that it's ever been a problem on plasmas, which have a natively low pixel latency compared with LCD, but I didn't see any ghosting or latency related issues at all.

Generally, I'm very pleased with my new TV, thought there is one thing that I found just a little disappointing. Though the gradations in the blacks are very nice, I'm a little disappointed that an entirely black screen is still not perfectly black. (A very dark grey, somewhere between the color of the outer and inner bezels.) I think maybe this is just still a limitation of the technology, but can any 7UY owners confirm that this isn't a step backwards?

Another small complaint is that either the remote or the IR receiver (or both) don't seem to have a particularly wide angle, so that you have to point the remote more or less directly at the screen to get it to recognize your command. Hopefully that will all be resolved when I set up my Harmony 880 with the new TV settings.

All and all though, I really couldn't be happier. This is by all measures a fantastic set, and I can't believe it is priced as low as it is. I'm not really sure I'd rather have any other similarly-sized set at any price!

PS- This isn't really a good time of day to take photographs, as the TV is mounted directly opposite french doors. The set is perfectly watchable under these conditions, but my camera doesn't do a very good job of capturing what things actually look like.

Just in case you do not know, the handles are easy to remove,

John

Thanks for your post! Can you answer one question. From the pictures and diagrams I've looked at, it seems like the back handles protrude further back then the rest of the set. (ie. where you would screw on the mounting plate is actually recessed compared to the handles.) Is that correct? Could you estimate how much? Trying to figure out mounting here before making my order. :D

No worries; the handles are flush against the back edge of the panel; it just doesn't look like that's the case because of the taper around the edge of the screen. JohnMR is right, too; they remove with just a normal philips head screwdriver.

No worries; the handles are flush against the back edge of the panel; it just doesn't look like that's the case because of the taper around the edge of the screen. JohnMR is right, too; they remove with just a normal philips head screwdriver.


Easy removal, nice. :cool:

I think I may have phrased my question poorly though. Are you saying that the handles do not extend any further back (toward your wall) then the area where the mouting plate is attached?

Can I ask what mount you purchased? (to help me determine the depth it added with your install at just under 5")

Last questions I promise... :D

aykew, thanks for the great review!! So you havent noticed any issues at all with lag and the xbox? Have you tried any other games besides halo 2? Thanks again, now I just need to be able to find one in stock somewhere. Later

jpooton: Yup, the handles do not extend past the back of the plasma. In other words:
http://www.aykew.com/misc/avs/sideviewDiagram.gif

The mount I bought was the Peerless Plasma Flat Mount, model SF660-001. (It's the one they have in the Visual Apex AVS special bundle)

10secbee: Nope, no lag issues at all! For now, the xbox is connected directly to the set, but eventually it will be run through the receiver, which may introduce some lag, but I hope not! I'll give Pirates and Burnout: Takedown a shot this week and let you know.

Thanks!

Aykew-

Congrats on the purchase. Any thoughts on having it calibrated? I'd suspect you'd get even better blacks than what you are getting out of the box.

Thanks,
Mike

Aykew-

Congrats on the purchase. Any thoughts on having it calibrated? I'd suspect you'd get even better blacks than what you are getting out of the box.

Thanks,
Mike

You can see how deep the blacks on the panel will go in a few seconds, simply by playing with the brightness control. Put on a 2:35:1 movie with black bars, adjust the brightness downward until the black bars stop getting any darker. Now you know how deep the blacks will go.

I would recommend a calibration. I have the 50PHD7UY and while it had a great picture out of the box, it is mindblowing after the calibtration. Better blacks, better contrast, better overall color and more detail.

I don't see any way on the VA web site to check status of my order. I ordered the 50" a week ago, they emailed me saying it was back ordered. Still waiting for notice of a ship date.

I hope to mount it on the same mount that is currently holding my 42" 7UY. I do not know if it will fit on the Peerless articulating arm or not.

it is my understanding that the Panasonic mount -- the only model they sell for the brand -- works fine for the 42 and the 50.

Aykew-
Congrats on the purchase. Any thoughts on having it calibrated? I'd suspect you'd get even better blacks than what you are getting out of the box.


I'm going to try calibrating it myself using DVE and the various methods posted in the forum first, after the break-in period. If I can't get the picture to where I want it, I may consider professional help... but this whole upgrade cycle has left my wallet in a bit of pain, if you know what I mean! :)

I tried to do it myself also but other than the service menu, I found no way to get the gray scale perfect, which it is now or as close as it can get (6512k).

I would recommend a calibration. I have the 50PHD7UY and while it had a great picture out of the box, it is mindblowing after the calibtration. Better blacks, better contrast, better overall color and more detail.

Hi JWhip,

Just for the sake of calibration newbies....

When you say "better blacks" I presume you mean better shadow detail and perhaps a more nuetral gray scale/D6500 color temp (which would include the benefit of black/shadows having a nuetral hue rather than a blue or green bias).

Calibration is certainly good. I just figured we should be clear, as I wouldn't want someone spending tons of money on calibration under the assumption it will make the blacks go any deeper than what you can do with the picture controls.

Cheers,

Rich, you are correct, but... I must say that the blacks do look blacker after the calibration. Maybe it is just me, but the picture is much better across the entire spectrum after the calibration. I must say that I was really surprised by the results.

JWhip,

I have seen black levels look subjectively a bit better after ISF level calibration. I was always aware of the green hue in the Pioneer models, particularly visible in the lower gray scale (shadows, black bars on movies). I've seen it mostly calibrated out of an older Pioneer, and the new Pioneer models have pretty much eliminated the green in the dark areas. The nuetrality of the gray/shadow areas seems to catch my eye less and subjectively makes the shadow areas look better. The green glow having been removed could translate into a subjective impression of slighly deeper shadows. Perhaps the same applies for some people after their Panny has been calibrated. Although I did not find any difference in the quality of the blacks/shadow detail pre and post ISF on my display.

Wow i really need to get one of these now

Hey guys new here. I am also considering this monitor. I was under the impression that the frame was black. Is it ? or is it grey?

Also, I am looking for sugestions for a tuner or receiver to go with it.

Thanks

Definitely a charcoal grey, not black. (Though the frame around the screen itself is a very handsome black)

Would like to see HD screen shots on your beautiful set whenever you get the capability. Stretched SD through an S-video connection does this plasma no justice.

I just found out today that my 50PHD8UK was shipped today and I should have it Thursday :) I can take some HD shots then if people are interested. I ordered it from Plasma Concepts, one of the forum sponsors, and they do have some more in stock if anyone else is looking for some instant gratification. I originally ordered it from them as no others store had the panel listed so quickly. Their price is good, not as low as VA, but close and shipping 2day was far cheaper so they ended up being about the same price for me anyway. They also throw in a set of BNC->RCA adapters which is a nice touch.

-Jerry C.

So, what are the specs of your set up????

model of Panny? HD or ED?

what kind of dvd player are you using with what connections? DVI or RGB?

thanks

JerryNY, I would love to see some hd shots and your opinion on your new toy. Thanks

Hi I just bought my first plasma TH-50PHD8UK. I am moving so I don't know if I will be able to wall mount it or not so I figured I should get a desk stand. Any one have any prefs. I like the looks of the round one 8k b/c it looks like it could swivel and rotate. the 7k looks like it may be more stable. Or are there other stands I should be looking at. Thanks

I am about 90% sure that I am going to buy this same unit. However, according to the CNET review and a few others on this forum, the Pannasonic TH42px50u has "Poor DC Restoration". I know its a different display (size wise and its a consumer model), but both are 8th gen glass. I was wondering if you could test your display to see if it infact has Poor DC Restoration. To do this, you can simply watch a DVD that is not 16:9 and see if the black bars above or on the side of the display stay the same color or if they change between black and gray as the sceen goes from dark to light.

Any input on this issue would be greatly appreciated, since this is practically the only thing stopping me from placing an order on VA today.

Thanks.

Matt.

This is a thread I did not need to see! :D

I'm in the process of remodeling a house that we'll move to... should have been done long before now, but that's a different story. I guess I can look at this thread for motivation - especially the "unboxing" photos. I really have the itch to order one now, but don't want to have to move it in a month or two or store it in a construction wasteland. Glad to hear good things about these displays showing up in good condition with no shipping issues!

My mounting location will be above the fireplace. I already routed an A/C outlet and several types of cables (VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite) to the area. With a location somewhat higher than normal would it be advisable to get the tilting mount vs. the flat one?

Heath

I just found out today that my 50PHD8UK was shipped today and I should have it Thursday :) I can take some HD shots then if people are interested. I ordered it from Plasma Concepts, one of the forum sponsors, and they do have some more in stock if anyone else is looking for some instant gratification. I originally ordered it from them as no others store had the panel listed so quickly. Their price is good, not as low as VA, but close and shipping 2day was far cheaper so they ended up being about the same price for me anyway. They also throw in a set of BNC->RCA adapters which is a nice touch.

-Jerry C.

For what it's worth, VA also threw in free BNC adapters with my 42PHD8UK, and I agree with you...great little extra. Saved me $17 or whatever from Radio Shack to buy those.

Any fluctuations with black level? I understand the 42hd7uy had some problems with changing black levels on certain scenes. I don't think this was a problem on the 50" but would like your observations before I order.

I know its a different display (size wise and its a consumer model), but both are 8th gen glass. I was wondering if you could test your display to see if it infact has Poor DC Restoration.

Is this the same as the infamous shifting black level problem the 42PHD7UY had? (That the post above mentions?)

I will do the black bars test tonight, but I just rewatched the "abyss" scene from Finding Nemo and I have to stand by my original conclusion. (Above) (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6144099&&#post6144099) I'd really hate to be wrong, but this time, I actually cupped my hands in front of the screen so that I could only see the very top right corner and as far as I could tell the black level stayed the same. No flickering, no strobing even as bright objects flashed on and off of the screen... so if it is there, I can't tell and I'm grateful for it. ;)

I recommend using Digital Video Essentials. In the Test patterns, they have the black bars window with different brightness center rectangles. It should show up there if present.

I do not see a problem on my 65 DVI. But there is some shifting on the component but so small as to be a non-issue in normal viewing.

-- Rich

I'll try to pick up a copy of DVE soon and do the definitive test.

A couple other small details I keep forgetting to mention; first is that there is a fan, but it is very, very quiet. You can hear it spin up to (presumably) full revs when you hit the power switch on the panel, but even at full blast it is a very soft noise. Not too surprising, as Panasonic makes Panaflow computer fans, generally considered some of the best, quietest fans around. After about a second, it goes back down to a whisper. Really, you have to be within 6 inches to hear it.

Second is that the screen is factory perfect; no stuck pixels, no dead pixels, which I'm VERY glad about. (I once had an LCD computer monitor with a red stuck pixel right in the middle; I ended up selling it to my dad at about half of what I paid for it only a couple months later because it was driving me insane!) Hopefully this is a general indicator of this generation's quality!

Can someone please do me a favor and measure the height and width or the screen on their 50 inch plasma. Just the screen though. THANKS in advance

If you go to the Visual Apex site, you can download the PDF with all the specs.

-- Rich

aykew, Just curious if you are still impressed with your panny after a little time with it? Any problems that you have noticed? Did you get a chance to try any other xbox games?(any noticable lag) Sorry to be a pain in the butt, but I have one preordered from VA and I already am having second thoughts. I currently have a sony 36 hdtv and the picture is superb in hd. I just think I would really kick myself if the panny is quite a bit worse in PQ. thanks again

My mounting location will be above the fireplace. I already routed an A/C outlet and several types of cables (VGA, Component, S-Video, Composite) to the area. With a location somewhat higher than normal would it be advisable to get the tilting mount vs. the flat one?
Heath
I plan to do the same thing on my new house and I'll pay extra attention to the mounting height vs the seating height as I've seen plasma mounted too hi in the model home - good for demo as most people are standing. The correct angle is the line where the eye level meet the center of the screen which in the fireplace mounting case is very difficult to do.

10secbee: I played a little with the black extension and brightness settings a wee bit last night, and I'm actually even more impressed than I was before. The blacks are now officially "inky"!

I would also absolutely recommend this screen for games. For some reason, I'm actually BETTER at halo than I was with my old TV, which makes me wonder if there was a tiny lag on my old setup. I also played Splinter Cell last night, which is a very dark game. I could resolve the shadow details perfectly well; no problems at all.

Still, I don't think the 50PHD8UK will give you better results than your CRT, but it'll get close. The big question you need to ask yourself is if the flatness and hugeness of the new TV is worth the money and marginal PQ decrease.

VA is shipping my 50" today. 3000 miles to go.

Qooop, we need reviews :)

Well my 50" was delayed and I only got it today. I took an extended lunch hour to unpack it and check everything out to see if it works and it looks FANTASTIC! I will try to post some pix later on tonight. They are indeed packaged in a 2 box set-up, the outer box being almost the same size as the single boxed consumer 42", they have to put the stand in those boxes too remember. Some initial observations are that the charcoal slim bezel with the black glass to the border of the screen is much more pleasing to the eye than the consumer models IMHO. The set-up menus are far more in depth and I will need to take some time to play with the settings. The picture is very similar in quality to the consumer models but w/o out my HDMI blade yet I can't comment on the sharpness. Component seemed a little less sharp to me than HDMI on the 42PX50 and right now I can only watch over component from my SA 8300HD on the 50PHD8UK. So far I have yet to detect any black level fluctuations like the 42"s are prone to but I will need some seat time to really be certain.

One surprising thing of note: I have some old speakers from a 5.1 pioneer system I had for like 10 years hooked up to the speaker jacks, the commercials have no built in's but have speaker jacks for a built in amp, on the TV temporarily til I decide on a new audio system and they sound better than the speakers built into the consumer panel which themselves were not horrible. I figured, like cars, the built in's on TV's will suck compared to stand alone quality components but these 5.1's are ancient Pioneers but sound great from the small amp built into the 50PHD8UK. I was going to break out my old AV receiver and use the entire old 5.1 system I have in storage temporarily but these seem more than adequate for the time being hooked up to the TV directly. I may continue to use these for convenience and leave them for regular TV viewing even after I go to new additional audio system so I don't have to bother firing up the whole thing just to watch the news.

I have a BDI Vista pedestal stand and while I could fairly easily lift the 42" by myself onto the stand for the mount, the 50" required a bit of help. The 50" is only about 15Lbs more but the increase in size makes it a little more unwieldy. I would love to have wall mounted the TV but the room I have it in is a plaster wall with a stucco high relief finish which would have been a major pain to get flat against the wall and to some day repair. I do like the look of the pedestal stands from BDI which are built like a tank and are rated up to a 225LB flat panel, if you can find one that heavy to buy ;) I will try to post some pix and more observations later.

-Jerry C.

Congrats and welcome to the club, JerryNY! ;)

more photos!!!

some of us are living vicariously through some of you.

question for everyone: If I just put a hole in my wall or two and run the cables through that, AC power included, what's the worst that can happen? I know it "violates codes" or whatever, but the power cable for the panny plasmas is shielded as well as the one the contractors used in-wall. I plan on cutting 2 holes and putting a couple of those office desk cable pass-through rings in the holes for a "finished" look, then running the VGA, Component and power cables up from behind the entertainment console.

I know it violates codes, but I also know that unless it would cause a real fire hazard, I couldn't give two shakes about the codes.

Hey! I've been working with Candace at VA, too! And yes, she's been amazing through the whole process. I originally pre-ordered the 42PHD8UK, but bumped up to the 50" after the prices dropped a bit. Mine shipped out today to arrive at the end of next week (long delivery time is what I get for living in Bumville, Georgia :).

Congrats, and hopefully I'll have my thoughts up here soon! HD college football on a screen bigger than 27"..can't wait!

I also ordered from Candace, however I orderd the TH42PWD8UK. (ED Model)

I already had purchased a 50PHD7UY from Candace at VA for home use. When my company opened a new Corporate Office they decided they wanted to get a few new plasma's. Of cource I called Candace back and asked if I could get 3 more of the 7UY's for my office.

We worked things out and when the TV's arrived today I was very happy to see that they had shipped 8UK's instead of the 7UY's. I haven't noticed much difference from my 7UY other than the new remote but I only mounted one of them (I will mount the rest Sunday). I also purchased a BenQ 26 inch LCD from VA.

I can't say enough about Visual Apex and their follow through on getting me these sets on an aggressive schedule.

I'll post of a few pictures of all three once I put them all up Sunday.


But if anyone has questions, I have three sitting around the office to test on.

JerryNY
Stupid spec trick.
What size was the box? If I get one locally, I'd like to know if i can get it into my car or borrow a bigger SUV or truck. Thanks.

What size was the box?

The Outer box is approximately 57.00" (W) x 37.00" (H) x 17.00" (D)


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Is the 50PHD8UK the commercial version of the 500U? Which would include PIP capabilities.

Thanks

I just ordered one of these beauties from Visual Apex today. I plan on using the Peerless flat wall mount. I have read that the ideal mounting position is approximately eye level at mid-screen. However, can some owners here tell me if the image suffers if the panel is mounted a couple feet higher on the wall than your eye level sitting on the couch? Is it just less dim? Or is it a non-issue for the most part?

I have one of these on order also. I've been reading another thread about "Just" mode for stretching 4:3 SD material to fill the screen. It appears this has changed on some of the consumer models. Could someone with the 50phd8uk give me their impression? Does it seem that "Just" mode is very very close to full mode, or is the center portion of the screen less stretched?

Thanks..

James

Just in case you do not know, the handles are easy to remove,

John


When you removed the handles did you replace the screws? Just wondering if the screws are necessary to secure the back of the plasma. Thanks.

Can someone post how you have the commercial sets connected? Like PC, set top, DVD, etc and what inputs/outputs you're using? Why BNC instead of RCA? How do you have your surround speakers connected.....digital audio out/in from the set top to A/V receiver?

I just ordered one of these beauties from Visual Apex today. I plan on using the Peerless flat wall mount. I have read that the ideal mounting position is approximately eye level at mid-screen. However, can some owners here tell me if the image suffers if the panel is mounted a couple feet higher on the wall than your eye level sitting on the couch? Is it just less dim? Or is it a non-issue for the most part?


The ideal mounting position for a home with young children is just above where they can reach. This is also true if you have children of child bearing years as they may have little buger wipers running around soon smearing god-knows-what on anything they can reach. I love my little jelly faced granddaughters but they seem to think napkins are too expensive and why waste a perfectly good shirt and isn't it fun to kiss Barney on grandpa's new plasma cause it looks like he is right there in the room with us...

My 42" (soon to be 50") is centered a little above 5' and while I freak out any time they start throwing things around the room, at least I might not see wierd mucusy looking substances smeared across the screen. Or maybe I will as the little pig pens seem to be able to spread corruption to areas I thought were safe.

Anyway, the level where mine is mounted has no problems as far as I can tell.

HD8UK owners, the manual states that the remote has discrete buttons for video inputs, is this true? If so, anyone know the discrete codes for them?

Any HD pics? :)

davidmac27,

My 50" is eye level center of screen with me standing (I am 6 foot) and it is not a problem.

Paul

can any of the proud 50PHD8UK owners verify the manufacturing origin of this new model? noticed the 50U were still manufactured in japan like the previous models, but the 500U were manufactured in mexico. just wondering if the recent drops in pricing were due to their cost saving by using facilities out of mexico, and if there'll be a difference in the overall quality. thank you..

The ideal mounting position for a home with young children is just above where they can reach.
Good advice but I would say that you also need to add in the length of any "instruments of destruction" that you hand them. My middle son nicely cracked the front project screen on our TV years back with a plastic mallet that was part of a construction toy set! That screen was "only' $250. I shutter to think of the cost of repairing a flat panel if the same had happened.

Amir

HD8UK owners, the manual states that the remote has discrete buttons for video inputs, is this true? If so, anyone know the discrete codes for them?


Yes it does have discrete buttons for each input but I haven't taken a minute to figure out what the codes are.

jpooton: I have one of these on order also. I've been reading another thread about "Just" mode for stretching 4:3 SD material to fill the screen. It appears this has changed on some of the consumer models. Could someone with the 50phd8uk give me their impression? Does it seem that "Just" mode is very very close to full mode, or is the center portion of the screen less stretched?

Just mode definitely appears very differently than full mode. Images toward the center definitely look like they're at a native aspect ratio with no head squishing at all. When the camera pans around, there's definitely a weird effect because the edges are basically moving faster than the middle. You get used to it after a while, though!

igreg: When you removed the handles did you replace the screws? Just wondering if the screws are necessary to secure the back of the plasma.

The screws for the handles appear to be completely dedicated to just holding on the handles. In other words, they don't serve any other function. However, I'd definitely put the screws back in, just so they don't get lost.

lipcrkr: Can someone post how you have the commercial sets connected? Like PC, set top, DVD, etc and what inputs/outputs you're using? Why BNC instead of RCA? How do you have your surround speakers connected.....digital audio out/in from the set top to A/V receiver?

In my final setup (need to set up a few more devices and buy some other cables, etc) I'll have my TiVo (via S-Video & RCA) and my XBox and PS2 (via component & optical) to my Yamaha receiver, with the receiver's monitor output to the TV. When I get my new Sony DVPNS70H DVD player and HDMI blade, I'll hook it up with HDMI straight to the TV and optical to the receiver. I'll also have my Mac Mini hooked up via the VGA input, audio via RCA to the receiver.

Video professionals, especially those who work with live video need BNC because they are very hard to accidentally unplug. If someone trips over a cable, for example, you could have dead air or not be able to see what you're doing, which would be a disaster.

chou1221: can any of the proud 50PHD8UK owners verify the manufacturing origin of this new model? noticed the 50U were still manufactured in japan like the previous models, but the 500U were manufactured in mexico. just wondering if the recent drops in pricing were due to their cost saving by using facilities out of mexico, and if there'll be a difference in the overall quality. thank you..

I'd check for you, but my screen is wall mounted so I'd have to take it off to see. (The manual didn't make any mention of the origin) Since the screens hit Seattle first (Visual Apex as opposed to Plasma Concepts, which is in southern California), I'd assume Japan, but I can't be sure.

Just mode definitely appears very differently than full mode. Images toward the center definitely look like they're at a native aspect ratio with no head squishing at all. When the camera pans around, there's definitely a weird effect because the edges are basically moving faster than the middle. You get used to it after a while, though!

Excellent! You made my night. :D

aykew,
please do not feel obligated to look for the manufacturing origin as your set is already wall mounted. maybe one of the soon-to-be owners can check for the manufacturing origin when they are ready to unwrap their early xmas present. thanks again for the quick response.

Here you go.

http://homepage.mac.com/jerrycube/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-09-11%2023.30.02%20-0700/Image-B878E17A235511DA.jpg

I have an album with some more here as well: Plasma Album (http://homepage.mac.com/jerrycube/Plasma/PhotoAlbum45.html)

Enjoy! Mine was manufactured in Japan btw.

-Jerry C.

I'd check for you, but my screen is wall mounted so I'd have to take it off to see. (The manual didn't make any mention of the origin) Since the screens hit Seattle first (Visual Apex as opposed to Plasma Concepts, which is in southern California), I'd assume Japan, but I can't be sure.I ordered mine from plasmaconcepts and my plasma shipment originated from Seattle as well. My accessories were shipped from Ohio though.

aykew,
please do not feel obligated to look for the manufacturing origin as your set is already wall mounted. maybe one of the soon-to-be owners can check for the manufacturing origin when they are ready to unwrap their early xmas present. thanks again for the quick response.I'll take a look for you. It should be here this week. :cool:

Does anyone know when the new HDMI board for the 8UK's will be available? I am talking about the TY-FB8HM board (not the 7HM which is the current one). From my understanding, you need the 8HM HDMI board to get 4096 steps on the new models.

Hello, just curious when using the pc input does this fill the whole screen or is there overscan issues? I am planning on hooking my xbox through the pc input. Thanks

Does anyone know when the new HDMI board for the 8UK's will be available? I am talking about the TY-FB8HM board (not the 7HM which is the current one). From my understanding, you need the 8HM HDMI board to get 4096 steps on the new models.

Don't know whether it will make any difference in PQ but the added processing is available either via HDMI or DVI according to Panasonic. I'd assume that holds for any compatible HDMI or DVI input board.

I'm considering ordering one of these and will likely go with the DVI input board as I don't have any HDMI sources yet.

Hello, just curious when using the pc input does this fill the whole screen or is there overscan issues? I am planning on hooking my xbox through the pc input. Thanks

If I'm not mistaken, adjustments can be made for overscan in the user menu. Look in the manual available on Panasonic's website to be sure. One of the advantages of the commercial model is added "tweakabilty". I do know that you can adjust gamma as well as the color decoder via the user menu.

Edit: confirmed via the manual. Both horizontal and vertical position and size adjustment is available and is saved both for the input as well as the resolution/frequency.

My confusion is if you can get the extra processing (4096) with both the current HDMI (7HM) and new HDMI (8HM) boards and the DVI board did not change (still 42TM6D for the 8UK's), then what has changed with the new HDMI boards if you can get 4096 from either? I am pretty sure the current HDMI boards are compatable with the 8UK's but I don't want to buy it and not be able to take advantage of the extra processing or miss out on something else. So to sum up:

IF TY-FB7HM + 8UK = 4069 processing on HDMI (which sounds like the case because the DVI board is according to the manual) then what else do you miss out on by not getting the 8HM on the 8UK?

My confusion is if you can get the extra processing (4096) with both the current HDMI (7HM) and new HDMI (8HM) boards and the DVI board did not change (still 42TM6D for the 8UK's), then what has changed with the new HDMI boards if you can get 4096 from either? I am pretty sure the current HDMI boards are compatable with the 8UK's but I don't want to buy it and not be able to take advantage of the extra processing or miss out on something else. So to sum up:

IF TY-FB7HM + 8UK = 4069 processing on HDMI (which sounds like the case because the DVI board is according to the manual) then what else do you miss out on by not getting the 8HM on the 8UK?

VA told me that the 8HM only adds support for PAL. *shrug*

RedHorn,

I have been asking the same question all around, and I was told the same thing that Bdeshong just posted above. VA told me that the 7 board was compatible, but he didn't know anything about the 14 bit processing, told me that I was spending too much time on AVS Forum and that I just needed to buy something and get it over with. Wouldn't it be wonderful if the person selling the thing knew all about it...had tested the product in every way possible and was willing to tell you what he found out??? What a world this would be.

Hey guys I'm new to the forums but I was just wondering, because this is a commercial model I thought it doesn't come with a HD tuner or DVI and HDMI "blades"? And that you have to purchase those components seperately? I hope I'm wrong can anyone please clarify...

You are correct, it does not come with a tuner, you need an STB (cable, sat etc) and also speakers or a receiver for sound. Also it comes with a few basic connections by default (composite/S Vid, component, VGA in slots 1 and 2) and the 3rd slot is empty which you can add a DVI or HDMI blade (sold seperately). You can also remove the default blades and add your own combo of connections as they sell blades for all connection types (composite, VGA etc).

Ok so basically having a cable STB from Cox Communincations will act as a HD tuner? So basically the HD tuner is just for if you don't have a STB? How would the STB from Cox connect to the Plasma (through what connection) sorry if my grammar seems a bit jarbled.

In order to view HD material from the Cox STB, you can connect component video , DVI, or HDMI cables to the 8UK. If you choose component video, then you don't need to purchase optional blades.

Of course, this assumes that the STB is and HD STB and not just a standard digital cable box.

But preferably its better to connect with HDMI right? Thanks btw for all the info.

Most people think the HDMI picture is better, some like the softer look of component video, some can't tell the difference, some can but don't think it's worth the extra price.

Technically HDMI provides no loss of signal because it is all digital so in that sense, it should be the best.

THough for a DVD player I should hook up HDMI to it

THough for a DVD player I should hook up HDMI to it

Some of the new upscaling DVD player require HDMI but if you have a standard DVD player component is fine. In fact some people think the 2:3 pull-down in the panny is superior to most DVD players and you should send the signal over component interlaced and not progressive scan. This allows the panny to use its own internal 2:3 pull-down and scaler. I would say that HDMI, while better than component, is better suited for carrying an HD signal, where you might see a difference. Hooking the cable box up with HDMI to carry the HDTV is more important than using HDMI on a DVD player IMHO.

-Jerry C.

Some of the new upscaling DVD player require HDMI but if you have a standard DVD player component is fine. In fact some people think the 2:3 pull-down in the panny is superior to most DVD players and you should send the signal over component interlaced and not progressive scan.

I can confirm that the TV's internal processor is better at 2:3 pulldown vs my Denon 1710's. Unfortunately, I do prefer the deinterlacer on the Denon for diagonal lines, so the mode I choose is definitely dependent on the material I'm playing. In a few days I'll hopefully be able to test out the Sony NS70's abilities too.

So your saying that the DVD's look better at 480i than at progressive scan? Since 480i uses the internal 4:3 pulldown? how can this be?

Also I have been reading about some banding seen on the consumer model can you do a quick test to see if you see any of this on the 8UK.. because hopefully I will be buying mine next week.

P.S. anyone in the LA area looking to buy the 50PHD8UK? If so PM me, i found a few local vendors and I am trying to get a volume discount.

So your saying that the DVD's look better at 480i than at progressive scan? Since 480i uses the internal 4:3 pulldown? how can this be?

I'm not really sure what the full technical skinny is on 3:2 pulldown (that's the correct ratio; I previously said 2:3) is and how that interacts with deinterlacing, but here's the quick and dirty: When I set the dvd player to 480i, pans are smoother, diagonal lines show some dot crawl due to (presuming here) a different deinterlacer. When I set the dvd player to 480p, the diagonal lines are better, but the panning isn't quite as smooth.

So your saying that the DVD's look better at 480i than at progressive scan? Since 480i uses the internal 4:3 pulldown? how can this be?

Also I have been reading about some banding seen on the consumer model can you do a quick test to see if you see any of this on the 8UK.. because hopefully I will be buying mine next week.


Well think of it this way: Either the TV or the DVD player can perform the 3:2 pulldown and make the picture progressive. Remember a plasma TV is a progressive device so it must convert ALL incoming video into progressive scan in order to display it. Where do you think might be a better electronics package to do this job? The average $100 DVD player or a $3000 TV? I think some quality DVD players may be better and some maybe worse so you should try both and see which you like better.

I saw some banding on the consumer 42", only rarely on things like a gradient of a blue sky, but the 50" does seem to do better in this way. I am not certain though as I didn't do any specific comparisons to confirm this. One thing I do notice is that changing resolutions on the commercial plasma is far faster, like when you switch channels on your cable box between a 720p and 1080i channel, but it is less refined the way it does it. The consumer one seems to go to an all gray screen then change after a second or so. The commercial one seems to do it in less than a second but has a funky split-second frame of green static that you can see. I actually like the faster change with the more un-refined behavior as you are not staring at a blank screen for as long. It is more like changing the resolution on a crt computer display when you get that quick distortion as the new resolution comes on line. I think this faster resolution change may be evidence of a better video processor in the commercial model but that is only a guess. Another observation I made is the horizontal line that appeared on the 42" consumer models I had is absent on the 50" commercial. The both consumer 42"s I had would show a thin horizontal line exactly bisecting the screen. You could only see this line on solid color like a gray screen and was almost impossible to see in normal viewing. The commercial 50" lacks this line completely. I almost forgot about it after getting the 50" and had to go turn on my TV to verify it was absent as I didn't recall seeing it with the new TV.

-Jerry C.

Jerry,

Three things I'm concerned with (I have the 50px50u now):

Intermittent buzzing from the panel audible at 15 ft.

Intermittent but subtle change in black level. This appears almost as if the set is doing an "adjustment" after a major change in overall picture brightness.

Noise in dark/red backgrounds. I know this is inherent to the technology to some extent but I'm hoping it's less noticeable on the the commercial model.

Comments on these three?

Intermittent but subtle change in black level. This appears almost as if the set is doing an "adjustment" after a major change in overall picture brightness.

Noise in dark/red backgrounds. I know this is inherent to the technology to some extent but I'm hoping it's less noticeable on the the commercial model.

I can at least confirm this one: there is NO noise whatsoever beyond around a foot away from the TV, and even then it's the fan, not an electric sort of buzzing. Trust me, if there was, I'd be going out of my gourd.

As for the other two, I haven't noticed any black level changes (see my DVD impressions near the start of this thread). There also appears to be minimal noise in dark areas , especially if there isn't any in the original source. For example, video games of course don't have any video compression when they're rendering graphics realtime, and any noise that's there disappears for me at about 3ft from the screen. (480p on relatively low quality component cables from an Xbox)

I have no buzzing either but I didn't hear one from the two 42" consumer models either. The 50" seems to have 3 fans in the back but they are near silent. I have had electronics with buzzing before so I know what an annoyance this can be but I think in the case of panny plasmas it is a defect that only a few may have. I can't even hear the fans from beyond a couple of feet and I hear no buzz even with the sound off.

I have posted in a few different places about black level fluctuations and saw this severely on my first 42" and to a much lesser extent on the second 42" I had. The 50" does not show this at all so far and by now I am all too good at being able to detect it ;) As far as noise goes, I really didn't have an issue with either 42" or my current commercial 50". I suspect I gave a decently clean signal from the cable company and/or lack of local interference.

-Jerry C.

I ordered the last 50PHD8UK from Plasma Concepts over the weekend. I just logged into the tracking site and DHL is reporting that the shipping weight is 59lbs which seems about 40lbs too low. I sure hope they shipped me the correct TV!!! 59lbs sounds closer to a 32" model...

I ordered the last 50PHD8UK from Plasma Concepts over the weekend. I just logged into the tracking site and DHL is reporting that the shipping weight is 59lbs which seems about 40lbs too low. I sure hope they shipped me the correct TV!!! 59lbs sounds closer to a 32" model...I ordered mine from Plasmaconcepts and the box says 60kg (approximately 132 pounds). Do you think it may be kilograms? Give them a call or shoot them an email. I had an email answered in about 10 minutes during business hours.

I ordered the last 50PHD8UK from Plasma Concepts over the weekend. I just logged into the tracking site and DHL is reporting that the shipping weight is 59lbs which seems about 40lbs too low. I sure hope they shipped me the correct TV!!! 59lbs sounds closer to a 32" model...

I believe the 59 # is in kilograms.

that's what happens when the "german post office" is delivering your package - kilograms.

Thanks for all the reports here, guys. I'm getting closer and closer to that button...

Just received my 50PHD8UK yesterday from VA and it has to be one of the best purchases I have ever made.

While I am still waiting for my Comcast HD to be installed I was able to connect my computer through the DVI card and displayed some WMVHD video and jpg pics. The picture is stunning! So glad I chose over a 1080p projection.

Build quality and packaging was excellent! Thanks VA!

No audible buzzing except on start up (capacitors) then quiet even w/ head behind screen.

Will try and post some pictures soon.

Congrats sixdonuts!!!!! Just curious, when did you order your tv? I have had a preorder in and was just curious if this the shipment they were waiting for. Thanks again and pics would be awesome!!!

Just curious to see if anyone who has recently ordered the Panasonic 50" also bought the extended warranty package. I believe the Panny 50 comes with a 1 yr warranty and can be extended for an additional year with some credit card protection programs. With a 3K price tag, I want to be sure I have many years of trouble free service from my plasma. Are the extended warranties worth the price/peace of mind? VA offers a warranty from GE/Zurich...anyone have any experience with them ??

10secbee,
I ordered a month ago when they first posted the UY was discontinued. They first said it would be shipped the fist week in Sept. but then called and let me know that they were expecting some 3 week in Sept.
They were upset because they were told the order would be in the first week. Luckly they got a few in and called and told my mine would be shipped on the 6th. It seems that they are slowly trickling in. Has VA contacted you? When did you place your order?

geforce,
I didn't get a warranty. I personally have never had any problems with any Panasonic products, knock on wood. IMHO you should keep in mind two additional points if purchasing a 8UK:
- This is a professional piece of video equipment which has been engineered to a higher standard than the consumer models so unless you are going to be mis-treating it should last a long time.
- Panasonic has been making plasma TV's for a long time now and I would think they have worked out any of QC issues by now. Even though this is a "new" model it still uses many of the proven compenents from earlier generations (If it aint broke don't fix it).

sixdonuts, I just ordered mine around the end of august. I was told it should be around the 3rd week in september. I was just curious. Are you happy with your set? THANKS

As soon as I got done posting the last post my phone rang and VA said they are in. I will be in HD glory in 5 to 7 days, no turning back now. Thanks

- This is a professional piece of video equipment which has been engineered to a higher standard than the consumer models so unless you are going to be mis-treating it should last a long time.
I am not sure this is the case. If anything, the broadcast monitor may be of slightly lower quality than consumer models since the volumes for the latter tend to be much higher.

This above is not from theory btw. I have worked for companies that design and manufacture broadcast equipment and many have far, far lower standard than consumer equipment. The volumes simply don't justify as much testing and customers tend to not have return privileges, etc.

Of course, things could be different at Panasonic. But at best I would say they are equal in manufacturing reliability.

Amir

Adding to above, Panasonic used to not offer in-home service for broadcast monitors. So you may want to check this also if you care about reliability issues.

Amir

Adding to above, Panasonic used to not offer in-home service for broadcast monitors. So you may want to check this also if you care about reliability issues.

Amir

For the first year though right? An extended warranty, from lets say repair tech, would be in home i think.

Just received my 50PHD8UK yesterday from VA and it has to be one of the best purchases I have ever made.

While I am still waiting for my Comcast HD to be installed I was able to connect my computer through the DVI card and displayed some WMVHD video and jpg pics. The picture is stunning! So glad I chose over a 1080p projection.



Build quality and packaging was excellent! Thanks VA!

No audible buzzing except on start up (capacitors) then quiet even w/ head behind screen.

Will try and post some pictures soon.


Did you try VGA? I plan on using my PC for DVD playing. My video card does have DVI though.

Question about the input boards:

Does the HDMI board have one or 2 inputs?

I would like to hook up the following:

Cable box on HDMI, upscaling DVD on HDMI, dvd recorder on component, vhs on s-vid.

Can I do this with the 8UK?

Question about the input boards:

Does the HDMI board have one or 2 inputs?

I would like to hook up the following:

Cable box on HDMI, upscaling DVD on HDMI, dvd recorder on component, vhs on s-vid.

Can I do this with the 8UK?Not without some external help. You can get 3 input blades on the bigger 8UK's. Each HDMI input blade has 1 input. The component and s-video blades are separate. There is a fixed VGA (PC) input that you could use though.

Did you try VGA? I plan on using my PC for DVD playing. My video card does have DVI though.

Haven't tried the VGA but I am planning to use this once my new Comcast HDTV DVR arrives on the 28th.
The DVI cable that shipped w/ the DVI card was the only cable long enough to reach my PC. Not exactly sure on length but its alot longer than my 6' Geffen DVI cable. Its probably 8 - 10 feet.

Also tried the PIP and it works great. Most HDTV's don't do PIP w/ digital sources much less swap pictures but the 50UK does so I can use my computer while watching HDTV sources. Only others I have seen which do are the Hitachi vs810 or higher or the new 1080p Mitsubishis.
Planning on getting two HDMI cards once they are available. Will then use one for an HD DVD player (when released) the other for the Comcast DVR. The VGA and DVI will then be used with my computer to connect an HD OTA tuner (myHD 130) and regular VGA output (MSI Nvidia 6600GT).

So far I'm lovin it!

Thanks for the info enigma1406.

sixdonuts - fyi - the new Vizio 50 supports digital PIP - can mix and match any 2 sources of the 2 HDMI/2 Component/1 VGA sources.

This is unit I have now - was thinking of ditching it for the new 8uy but don't know if I can keep my inputs down to 3 + VGA.

Don't forget that the VGA port can also be used as component. While I am waiting for the new HDMI blade to show up here in the US I bought a VGA to component cable for $20 from Better Cables to be able to use 2 component sources. It works perfectly and the only thing you need to do to get it working is to switch the PC input on the TV to component otherwise you get a picture that is all green.

-Jerry C.

Just received my 50PHD8UK yesterday from VA and it has to be one of the best purchases I have ever made.

While I am still waiting for my Comcast HD to be installed I was able to connect my computer through the DVI card and displayed some WMVHD video and jpg pics. The picture is stunning! So glad I chose over a 1080p projection.

Build quality and packaging was excellent! Thanks VA!

No audible buzzing except on start up (capacitors) then quiet even w/ head behind screen.

Will try and post some pictures soon.


Sixdonuts,

Who is VA?
I'm a newbee here, but I'm looking at the 8uk as my next purchase.

DEFman. Visualapex, their link is at the top of this page. Later

I am not sure this is the case. If anything, the broadcast monitor may be of slightly lower quality than consumer models since the volumes for the latter tend to be much higher.

This above is not from theory btw. I have worked for companies that design and manufacture broadcast equipment and many have far, far lower standard than consumer equipment. The volumes simply don't justify as much testing and customers tend to not have return privileges, etc.

Of course, things could be different at Panasonic. But at best I would say they are equal in manufacturing reliability.

Amir

Sorry Amir my earlier comments were missing some additional info. I definitely agree that the quality of broadcast equipment can in some cases be of lower quality than consumer equipment but I should have clarified the word “professional”. Please understand my intent of using the word professional was not to categorize the 50UK as broadcast equipment.

While it does have features which lend itself to applications in the broadcast industry this piece of equipment can and is used by many other industries such as medical, industrial, retail, service etc. These industries, unlike the broadcast industry, do not have one of the requirement/luxury of having redundant equipment. As such, the 50UK has been designed and tested to operate at spec for a specific amount of time (MTBF). This is of course not to say their isn’t well made and quality equipment in the broadcast industry

From my experience their are usually two different categories of "industrial/professional/prosumer/enterprise etc." equipment:
Category 1 – Newer to bleeding edge technology that has little if any testing but has a high demand.
Category 2 – Older but well established technology which has been properly designed and tested.

I would place the 50UK in category two.

I am personally expecting this TV to work for a minimum 6 trouble free years. I also believe that since this set has a one year warranty, any issues due to shipping or a manufacturing should occur within this time frame. If something does go wrong I’m sure it can be repaired for less than the amount of the warranty.

Don’t get me wrong I definitely believe that warranties can be valuable tools to mitigate risk but I feel that if the consumer properly researches a product and utilizes a quality manufacture and dealer a one year factory warranty should be sufficient for electronic equipment.

In the end it was my history w/ Panasonic products, and the features and quality of the 50UK as a whole which changed my decision from purchasing a Mitsu 62927, or Samsung 1080p DLP and forgoing an extended warranty.

Thanks for the info enigma1406.

sixdonuts - fyi - the new Vizio 50 supports digital PIP - can mix and match any 2 sources of the 2 HDMI/2 Component/1 VGA sources.

This is unit I have now - was thinking of ditching it for the new 8uy but don't know if I can keep my inputs down to 3 + VGA.

erics,
That Vizio looks nice plus you get two HDMI inputs right from the get go. Still waiting for Panasonic to release their new HDMI card (although the old one is upward compatible according to VA) :( .

erics,
That Vizio looks nice plus you get two HDMI inputs right from the get go. Still waiting for Panasonic to release their new HDMI card (although the old one is upward compatible according to VA) :( .

The old TY-FB7HM card works fine in an 8UK. I got my 42" last night, and it worked great from the get go.

http://photos.deshong.net/gallery/Plasma

Don't forget that the VGA port can also be used as component. While I am waiting for the new HDMI blade to show up here in the US I bought a VGA to component cable for $20 from Better Cables to be able to use 2 component sources. It works perfectly and the only thing you need to do to get it working is to switch the PC input on the TV to component otherwise you get a picture that is all green.

-Jerry C.

My 50PHD8UK is arriving in about 30 minutes (the driver just called), and this is for some reason the first I heard about using VGA as component. Does anyone have more info about making the conversion, or did I just miss a page in the literature from Panasonic? Also, Jerry, could you PM me a link to that cable? Sorry, I know I'm lazy :).

Thanks for the info about using VGA as a component input - since I will not be using it as a monitor too oftern, I can probly just swich back and forth when I need to.

The Vizio is a new set - but a month ago when I bought it, it was $1400 less than the base price of a panny 50. At 400 less I'm not sure that its still that great of a deal, even considering I would have to buy one or two HDMI card and a stand.

BdeShong,

You seem to be in a position to test the celebrated 14-bit processing claim on the 8UK ... what I read is that when you feed the panel via HDMI or DVI you get 4096 grayscale steps and 500 billion colors. This should go a long way towards eliminating false contouring and clayface issues, banding, or whatever else you call it. I held off buying the PD50 because I couldn't resolve the clayface issue, but I am hopeful that the additional processing power of the 8UK's, both the PWD and the PHD, will have solved the problem. Captain & Commander is supposedly the perfect DVD to test for this...the fog scenes in the first part of the movie are supposed to be heavily banded. If you could test for the difference between the component input and the HDMI you would do a world of service to a lot of us out here, and thank you in advance for any input.

BdeShong,

You seem to be in a position to test the celebrated 14-bit processing claim on the 8UK ... what I read is that when you feed the panel via HDMI or DVI you get 4096 grayscale steps and 500 billion colors. This should go a long way towards eliminating false contouring and clayface issues, banding, or whatever else you call it. I held off buying the PD50 because I couldn't resolve the clayface issue, but I am hopeful that the additional processing power of the 8UK's, both the PWD and the PHD, will have solved the problem. Captain & Commander is supposedly the perfect DVD to test for this...the fog scenes in the first part of the movie are supposed to be heavily banded. If you could test for the difference between the component input and the HDMI you would do a world of service to a lot of us out here, and thank you in advance for any input.

Well, problem here is that my DVD player's pretty old...almost 5 years, so it's only cranking out 480i over component. Great movie though! I could always try with something that came over one of the HD movie channels...just swap the cables around, rewind and see if there's a significant difference.

Too bad HDMI switching receivers are so damn expensive. I have moral issues with spending $3k on a receiver. I'd kinda like to buy another HDMI blade and cables so I can get a DVD player with HDMI upconversion out, but that seems silly when my ultimate goal is to have my receiver taking all of the HDMI connections, with only one HDMI going to the panel.

Once I get this beast paid off in a month or two, maybe I'll get another blade and a new DVD player.

*shrug*

My 50PHD8UK is arriving in about 30 minutes (the driver just called), and this is for some reason the first I heard about using VGA as component. Does anyone have more info about making the conversion, or did I just miss a page in the literature from Panasonic? Also, Jerry, could you PM me a link to that cable? Sorry, I know I'm lazy :).


Oops, my bad. I bought the cable from Ramelectronics, a forum sponsor. http://www.ramelectronics.net (http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/hdtv-cables.html#hd15rgb) It is one of the nicest built $20 cables I have ever purchased. They seem to use very good quality connectors and cable stock, it seems very sturdy and well shielded IMHO. When I first held the cable I was laughing as it seems so odd to have a vga computer style connector on one end and the three RGB RCA plugs on the other.

-Jerry C.

I can't imagine what would be causing a "clay face" issue on new panasonic models. I have an old model - 4th generation - with less sophisticated processing and I certainly don't experience seeing any clay faces. Nor have I ever seen such a thing mentioned in a review of a panasonic plasma.

Baffling.

bdeshong I enjoyed your gallery of installation pictures from yesterday's TH-42PHD8UK delivery. Thank you.

WHEEE!! The truck just rolled up this afternoon!

Sadly, my stand is running a day behind, and I'm not about to set this baby on the floor, so no hookup until tomorrow. I know, it's killing me, too...

For now, if anyone's like I was a few weeks ago wondering exactly how the 50PHD would look in their living room, here's mine, partially unpacked, next to my old TV (which has a 27" viewable). Seems to get a lot bigger once it's actually sitting in your house :).

More pictures of the setup over in that thread once it's done.

I guess the actual image woudl be nice:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a337/gooselee8/DSC01140.jpg

Congratulations! I hope you enjoy it as much as I have mine so far.

-Jerry C.

Congrats!!!! Just curious are you waiting for the tabletop stand? If so did you order it at the same time and place as you did the tv? Thanks and enjoy

My 50PHD8UK is arriving in about 30 minutes (the driver just called), and this is for some reason the first I heard about using VGA as component. Does anyone have more info about making the conversion, or did I just miss a page in the literature from Panasonic?

Panasonic doesn't mention that info.




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Don't forget that the VGA port can also be used as component. While I am waiting for the new HDMI blade to show up here in the US I bought a VGA to component cable for $20 from Better Cables to be able to use 2 component sources. It works perfectly and the only thing you need to do to get it working is to switch the PC input on the TV to component otherwise you get a picture that is all green.

-Jerry C.


Wow, good info here. Have you checked the black level via the VGA input set at "component"? Often PC inputs are set at 0-255 whereas the video standard is 15-235. Hopefully, the switch to "component" sets it there. THX optimizer is a good way to check this. You should see the drop shadow on the "THX" screen and also no white crush on the white block pattern before that.

If this can be confirmed that gives the 50 inch a potential total of 4 HD inputs. :)

gooselee,

Congrats! Is there anything more exciting than receiving a gleaming new plasma?
Turn it on, plunk yourself down and welcome to a whole new world of sloth!

Congrats!!!! Just curious are you waiting for the tabletop stand? If so did you order it at the same time and place as you did the tv? Thanks and enjoy

Thanks!

I am waiting for the ST08K tabletop stand. I ordered it all in the same order from VA, but I think my situation was a little unique simply because of timing. From what it sounds like from everyone else in the forum, VA normally ships everything from their warehouse all together (not in the same box, obviously, but all in the same shipment).

In my case, I ordered my 8UK right after the first batch of pre-orders ran out. Candace at VA called about a week after that happened and told me VA had gotten a hold of a few extra units at one of their partners, and that my plasma would be shipping directly out of NY because a) that's where it was.no sense getting it sent all the way out to Seattle just to get booted back across the country and b) the NY warehouse was closer to me (in Georgia). According to my cargo bill, it shipped from Electrograph Systems in NY, which I checked out and as far as I can tell, they are also an authorized Panny reseller. Also, for anyone wondering, they shipped via Watkins Motor Lines to me. The tracking info there shows that my baby never left Watkins' control from the time it was picked up in NY until the time it was unwrapped in my living room, and they guy that delivered it had nothing else in his truck but what looked like a DLP or LCOS projection TV, and he seemed pretty knowledgeable about shipping that kind of stuff around and how to treat it. I couldn't even find a little scratch or dent on my outer box! And as an added bonus, not only did Watkins give me a pretty accurate estimate of when it would arrive, they offered to call me right before they got to my house. I ended up only having to leave work for around 45 minutes!

Moral of the story...since my plasma was closer than my stand, it arrived a day earlier. According to the UPS tracking info I have, my stand and BNC adaptors are on the way and on time from VA in Seattle, to arrive tomorrow. And of course, no extra shipping costs to me. Only thing that's bugging me a little is that my Avia disc is backordered..but I figure I won't pop it in until after the 100 hour break in anyway.

All said, this was probably the best online ordering experience I've ever had, start to finish. Big props to VA and Watkins all the way.

Rich H. & JerryNY - Thanks! I'm not leaving my couch all weekend!

Thanks gooselee, I was just curious since I was under the impression that the stand and tv were shipped together. I hope mine were shipped together since I am never around for a ups delivery. Thanks again

Panasonic doesn't mention that info.




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Using the VGA input as component is mentioned in the 8UK manual, accessible via the Panasonic website. I went and checked after I read the post. It would seem to indicate that the VGA input can be used as a component input with a VGA/component adaptor.

I'd still be interested in how it looks with black and white levels though compared to the regular component input.

Using the VGA input as component is mentioned in the 8UK manual, accessible via the Panasonic website. I went and checked after I read the post. It would seem to indicate that the VGA input can be used as a component input with a VGA/component adaptor.

I'd still be interested in how it looks with black and white levels though compared to the regular component input.


I believe it will look fine, you just have to change the mode from PC to Video.

Hate???

Y.... We're hoping there will be no issues like the "7UY" Models.



What issues with the 7UY models? My 50PHD7UY has been a dream since I bought it! Especially looks sweet after calibration!

To test the VGA-> component I quickly used the THX optimizer on a DVD I have and there is no problem with seeing the black drop shadow on the THX logo and I can see all 8 white shades on the white crush test too. I have all my settings pretty low for break-in though and had to bring the contrast and brightness up a little bit to get the best out of the THX optimizer but then again that is what it is there for ;) I am gonna wait a couple hundred hours before I do any real attempt to calibrate the TV though.

-Jerry C.

Using the VGA input as component is mentioned in the 8UK manual, accessible via the Panasonic website. I went and checked after I read the post. It would seem to indicate that the VGA input can be used as a component input with a VGA/component adaptor.



The manual mentions that component input is possible with the pin 1,2,3 of the D-sub 15P Connector.
But It Doesn't clearly say you can use an VGA/Component Adapter.



I'd still be interested in how it looks with black and white levels though compared to the regular component input.


Same. Well, at least on previous Models ( 7UY/6UY ).



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What issues with the 7UY models? My 50PHD7UY has been a dream since I bought it! Especially looks sweet after calibration!

The infamous DRC problems. Seems to be a problem in some cases with the 427UY industrial and the 42PX50U series. Hopefully my new 42PHD8UK will have consistant blacks. I'm still not even sure it was a problem in the first place, may be just normal.

To test the VGA-> component I quickly used the THX optimizer on a DVD I have and there is no problem with seeing the black drop shadow on the THX logo and I can see all 8 white shades on the white crush test too. I have all my settings pretty low for break-in though and had to bring the contrast and brightness up a little bit to get the best out of the THX optimizer but then again that is what it is there for ;) I am gonna wait a couple hundred hours before I do any real attempt to calibrate the TV though.

-Jerry C.


Cool. Sounds like it's just fine. :)

Thanks for checking.

I have a Dish 6000 receiver connected to my 50PHD8UK using the VGA and it works great.

Just ordered from VA. They have stock now and have a few more left apparently.

Using the VGA input as component is mentioned in the 8UK manual, accessible via the Panasonic website. I went and checked after I read the post. It would seem to indicate that the VGA input can be used as a component input with a VGA/component adaptor.


This really is good news for me, but can someone verify that the VGA input will take in HD component signals ? (or is it just lower res) I'd like to feed it a 720p component signal from a Pinacle Showcenter.

Thanks!

The VGA input will accept HD signals. My dish 6000 is connected with a VGA cable and the 8UK is displaying high definition.

The VGA input will accept HD signals. My dish 6000 is connected with a VGA cable and the 8UK is displaying high definition.

And you're connected to the Dish 6000's component output? (rather then the RGB D-Sub 15 it also has) Just want to make sure before fishing the wall. ;)

Thanks in advance.

The D 6000 is connected from the RGB output. I have not tried it from the component output.

This really is good news for me, but can someone verify that the VGA input will take in HD component signals ? (or is it just lower res) I'd like to feed it a 720p component signal from a Pinacle Showcenter.

Thanks!

According to the manual it will. Can't confirm it personally yet.

Has anyone received a 42PHD8UK yet? Lots of talk about the 50.

Has anyone received a 42PHD8UK yet? Lots of talk about the 50.

Yeah, a few of us have them.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=576605

http://photos.deshong.net/gallery/Plasma

The manual mentions that component input is possible with the pin 1,2,3 of the D-sub 15P Connector. That's exactly the function of the VGA/Component Adapter.

Received my 50" PHD8UK today and I am very impressed. The packaging was extremely protective. The Peerless flat mount was easy to install and I even managed to get my wife to help with the mounting (not a light TV!!!). I'm very happy with the end result. Now we just need to buy a console to hide the wires, Tivo and DVD player!

Here's a pic: http://home1.gte.net/res008k5/panny.jpg

Can anyone direct me to a good source for "tweaking" the settings on this particular monitor? Thanks!!!

Received my 50" PHD8UK today and I am very impressed. The packaging was extremely protective. The Peerless flat mount was easy to install and I even managed to get my wife to help with the mounting (not a light TV!!!). I'm very happy with the end result. Now we just need to buy a console to hide the wires, Tivo and DVD player!

Here's a pic: http://home1.gte.net/res008k5/panny.jpg

Can anyone direct me to a good source for "tweaking" the settings on this particular monitor? Thanks!!!

Looks like a Pioneer, you must have the optional speakers.

Yeah, I got the optional speakers. I wanted to keep things on the minimal side in the family room and my wife wasn't hot about speakers in the wall or on the floor (we used to have a 55" Mitsubishi rear projection in this spot and we're trying to free up space for our two growing boys!!)

The speakers are pretty good. I keep them on about 14 for every day viewing and it is plenty loud. From the volume scale, it looks like they will go to 100. I had them up to 30 on one of the music channels and they were rockin!

All i can say is wow i just got a 42phd8uk and the picture is absolutely stunning colors are increadable and the blacks are rich would recommended this tv to friends this was a pretty scary purchase for me spending that kind of cash never seeig it in person but it turned out to be a great purchase

I'm about to order this and a I have a couple questions (please bear with me as I'm a newbie when it comes to Plasma TV's)...

I have basic cable service and probably won't upgrade to digital cable for awhile, cause it is pretty expensive and it's not worth it to me to spend the extra money as I'm not home a lot. What is the best way to get TV to display on this screen?

Also, in addition to connecting a DVD Player and Cable TV, I would like to connect an XBox and PS2 to this unit. What connectors do I need?

Last question, is it worth it to get an extended warranty?

I appreciate any and all help. As I said I'm a newb when it comes to Plasma TV's and would really appreciate any and all insight.

no offense, brotha, but why would you spend thousands of dollars on a plasma set, but not upgrade your cable because its 'pretty expensive'.....

Got to love individuals that look for the obvious, as opposed to those that seek the most complicated answers.

:)

no offense, brotha, but why would you spend thousands of dollars on a plasma set, but not upgrade your cable because its 'pretty expensive'.....

Believe it or not, many of us with plasmas or other high end displays use them primarily for movies or something other than TV. I know for Comcast the price jump from basic non-digital cable to regular digital is huge. Add in the premiums and an HD STB and it jumps quickly. For someone who doesn't watch TV it makes sense not to pay for all that.

I can understand that, HR, but he says he's not home alot. I inferred that the display itself wouldn't get much usage.

Believe it or not, many of us with plasmas or other high end displays use them primarily for movies or something other than TV. I know for Comcast the price jump from basic non-digital cable to regular digital is huge. Add in the premiums and an HD STB and it jumps quickly. For someone who doesn't watch TV it makes sense not to pay for all that.

What's funny is i'm the opposite..i'm paying over a $140 a month for digital platinum cable on an 8 year old Sony 27" tube TV with a $2000 Polk surround system and a $500 HK A/V receiver. This will change in a couple of weeks when i get the Panny TH-42PHD8UK. 90% of my use of the new plasma will be hi-def TV. I will have 16 hi-def stations as of now.

I am going to bump this thread by letting you guys know that I just placed an order for TH-50PHD8UK at TVAuthority.

The rep said they are expecting the units in stock "within days", and maybe even this afternoon.

Anyway, I made my move after much hemming and hawing and decided to go with the 8UY as opposed to Pio 5060.

My sources for now will be an OTA HD STB (Zenith 420) and a Skyworth DVD player.

I'll let you guys know how it is going when I get the panel. What will be interesting is that I have plenty of PAL DVDs which my Skyworth DVD player outputs in 576p/50Hz which look awesome on my 34" Sampo Direct View CRT.

The Panny accepts 575/50p thru component, so we'll see if it accepts the signal from the Skyworth and whether it introduces any judder in displaying it. My CRT had no problems.

Another question - do you guys know whether Panny's standard RGB computer input (D-sub-15-pin) accepts 1080i/60Hz Hi-Def signal?

The specs suggest that it does not, but I don't believe in specs unless verified.

If it does not, I'll have to buy a blade...:(

Another question - do you guys know whether Panny's standard RGB computer input (D-sub-15-pin) accepts 1080i/60Hz Hi-Def signal?(

My 8UK does.

What's funny is i'm the opposite..i'm paying over a $140 a month for digital platinum cable on an 8 year old Sony 27" tube TV with a $2000 Polk surround system and a $500 HK A/V receiver. This will change in a couple of weeks when i get the Panny TH-42PHD8UK. 90% of my use of the new plasma will be hi-def TV. I will have 16 hi-def stations as of now.


That is funny. You'll get there though once that 8UK comes in! On a somewhat related note, I ripped out all my Polk built-ins and replaced them with some super sick custom Jamo drivers. I used to love the Polks, but now I don't know how I went without the Jamo. Of course in a few years I'll be saying the same thng about the Jamos. ;)

My 8UK does.


What's your source of this Hi-Def signal that goes into Panny RGB input?

Thanks.

Does anyone know or tried and confirm that the 8G panny plasma can take in Native Rate at 50hz and 60hz via DVI/HDMI?

I have aLumagen scaler and intend to use the lumagen to scale and deinterlace without the Plasma doing anything else to the signal.

Thanks!
Oliver

What's your source of this Hi-Def signal that goes into Panny RGB input?

Thanks.

Dish 6000

Believe it or not, many of us with plasmas or other high end displays use them primarily for movies or something other than TV. I know for Comcast the price jump from basic non-digital cable to regular digital is huge. Add in the premiums and an HD STB and it jumps quickly. For someone who doesn't watch TV it makes sense not to pay for all that.

But if that's the case why not just get an EDTV Panny then for thousands less?

Well I finally received all the parts and fired up the new 50phd8uk tonight. All I have right now is a scientific atlanta 8300 box hooked up via component. I have to say I am very happy with the purchase. I am upgrading from a sony 36inch hdtv and the new panny comes real close in PQ to the sony. HD is great but I really need to run a calibration disc and figure out the best settings yet. Also I am very pleased with the 480i and 480p content on this set. And the biggest reason for me for buying a plasma was the viewing angles without any PQ loss you get verses a projection set. Thanks for everyone who helped me here and I will try to post a better review after playing with the set for a couple weeks. Thanks

I am going to bump this thread by letting you guys know that I just placed an order for TH-50PHD8UK at TVAuthority.

The rep said they are expecting the units in stock "within days", and maybe even this afternoon.

Anyway, I made my move after much hemming and hawing and decided to go with the 8UY as opposed to Pio 5060.

My sources for now will be an OTA HD STB (Zenith 420) and a Skyworth DVD player.

I'll let you guys know how it is going when I get the panel. What will be interesting is that I have plenty of PAL DVDs which my Skyworth DVD player outputs in 576p/50Hz which look awesome on my 34" Sampo Direct View CRT.

The Panny accepts 575/50p thru component, so we'll see if it accepts the signal from the Skyworth and whether it introduces any judder in displaying it. My CRT had no problems.

Another question - do you guys know whether Panny's standard RGB computer input (D-sub-15-pin) accepts 1080i/60Hz Hi-Def signal?

The specs suggest that it does not, but I don't believe in specs unless verified.

If it does not, I'll have to buy a blade...:(

i was looking to order one as well, called TVAuthority and they said they're expecting stock to return on these next week, the guy I talked to said hopefully by tuesday or wednesday, but he couldn't be more specific.

he asked for a number, said he's keeping a list and will call back anyone who's waiting for one when they get more in stock.

unfortunately i can't remember his name (sorry I'm terrible with names) but for anyone else waiting to order, I'd recommend doing that.

Xayd - that's pretty much what I did.

I got my name on the pre-order list and gave TVA my cc number.

The guy I talked to probably wanted to keep the sale from getting away, so he told me that they might be in stock that afternoon. Now it looks like next week. Oh well.

Anyhow - could any new TH-50PHD8UK owners please report any automatically shifting (changing) black levels, depending on the scene?

42" 8UK Pannys seem have that and it isn't too troublesome for most people.

I would like to avoid it if I could, though.

well if you gave them a credit card you may be ahead of me, i didn't ;).

he offered to call back when they had em, i said sure, gave him a cell phone number and that was that, so if you gave em authorization to charge you when they got one you may get one first, hehe.

Does anyone know or tried and confirm that the 8G panny plasma can take in Native Rate at 50hz and 60hz via DVI/HDMI?

I have aLumagen scaler and intend to use the lumagen to scale and deinterlace without the Plasma doing anything else to the signal.

Thanks!
Oliver

I am going to use a DVDO Iscan HD+ to the 8UK via DVI when I get my set. DVI is your option as HDMI will not take 1366x768. DVI will at 60Hz.

Hope that helps!

John

Does anyone know or tried and confirm that the 8G panny plasma can take in Native Rate at 50hz and 60hz via DVI/HDMI?

I have aLumagen scaler and intend to use the lumagen to scale and deinterlace without the Plasma doing anything else to the signal.

Thanks!
Oliver

I think this has to be tried. My the 1366x768 7UY panels accept native rate fine using the HDMI card even though it is not documented. You might have to be the first, but I suspect that it works.

-- Rich

I think this has to be tried. My the 1366x768 7UY panels accept native rate fine using the HDMI card even though it is not documented. You might have to be the first, but I suspect that it works.

-- Rich

Are you using a scaler or a HTPC? I have been getting mixed signals as some users are saying no while other are saying yes. I really am looking to get a pana if they can accept native.

Thanks for the feedback Rich.

Oliver

Hey Oliver. The Panny WILL take NR from a scaler over DVI for sure. The HDMI taking NR is news to me. I was told by Panny in would not work. Sounds like Rich has it working and I am also interested in what he is using to get NR via HDMI as this is great news! Does your scaler only output HDMI?

John

Does the 8UK have the same aspect control limitations as the panny consumer models?

Are you using a scaler or a HTPC? I have been getting mixed signals as some users are saying no while other are saying yes. I really am looking to get a pana if they can accept native.

Thanks for the feedback Rich.

Oliver
It works fine with my scaler, I have not tried my HTPC.
I am running with a 657UY, so there is always a possibility that the 8 series is different.

-- Rich

I can't wait till I can officially contribute to this thread .. I ordered my unit on 9/4, and I'm still waiting .. the vendor was expecting their first shipment on 9/16, which was then pushed back to 9/23, and now looking more like 9/30. Has anyone whose plasma was not in the first shipment received a unit recently?

While I wait, I'm wondering what DVD players you proud owners are pairing your 50phd8uk plasmas with. There are numerous lengthy threads on the DVD player forum about upconverting players. Has anyone tried using one of these players (Momitsu, NeuNeo, Samsung, others) to upconvert via component to this particular display? How does it look? What is the optimal resolution you found? Any macroblocking issues to speak of?

(Sorry to be posting this here, but the vast majority of the comments indicate that results are very display-dependent.)

Thanks,
Phil

DVI is your option as HDMI will not take 1366x768.
John

John - have you actually tried it?

There is a guy at AVS who feeds his 7UY this resolution via HDMI, despite what the specs say.

Does the 8UK have the same aspect control limitations as the panny consumer models?

If you mean the lock-in-full feature on HD inputs - unfortunately yes.

That is a major PITA.

John - have you actually tried it?

There is a guy at AVS who feeds his 7UY this resolution via HDMI, despite what the specs say.

No. That is why I posted I was surprized it works. Very Cool!

No. That is why I posted I was surprized it works. Very Cool!

Cool indeed. Since this guy posted it in the processor forum I stopped believing in published specs.... :D

Eventually I plan to get the HDMI blade for my TH-50PHD8UK and a scaler - but first thing first - the plasma should be arriving soon.

wojtek did you talk to tvauthority about yours today?

they show TH-50PHD8UK as back in stock on the website now, but i didn't get a chance to confirm that on the phone before they closed.

Xayd - yes.

Additionally, Cambryn from TVA posted at AVS that they today received 100 units of TH-50PHD8UK, so all pre-orders should be filled.

Call them tomorrow.

Good luck.

I'm kinda confused why the TH-42PHD8UK would display the changing black levels (DCR) while the 50" wouldn't... don't they use the same technology?

Still waiting for people to report back on this...

Xayd - yes.

Additionally, Cambryn from TVA posted at AVS that they today received 100 units of TH-50PHD8UK, so all pre-orders should be filled.

Call them tomorrow.

Good luck.

awesome, will do, thanks.

I can understand that, HR, but he says he's not home alot. I inferred that the display itself wouldn't get much usage.


Sorry for the late reply. HR is right. I am not home that often, however when I am, I do enjoy watching DVD's movies.

But more than that, during the times I am home I would like to enjoy TV as well. My reason for not wanting to subscribe to d-cable, is also as HR referred to...There is a large discrepancy between standard cable and d-cable in my area. Just doesn't seem worth it to me.

I want a big TV, because I just recently purchased a home and the only TV I currently have is a small 13".

Any help from my previous request would be greatly appreciated.

Xayd - yes.

Additionally, Cambryn from TVA posted at AVS that they today received 100 units of TH-50PHD8UK, so all pre-orders should be filled.

Call them tomorrow.

Good luck.


Yep, Cambryn called me yesterday to confirm my preorder. I should have my 50phd8uk the first week of Oct. Woohoo!! :D

Kane

Anhedonic, I just received my 50phd8uk and have spent about 10 hours with it. On A couple different channels I seen a slight change in black levels. It didnt happen a lot but I did see something. (kind of a pulsing from light to darker) I watched the Utah football game and didnt see anything at all. So I dont know if what I was seeing is the tv itself or the signal. But I never noticed this on my 36 sony hdtv. I am using component with a 8300 hd settop box. I am very picky though and it wasnt t the point of being distracting. I will report back when I can play with the set some more. Later

Anhedonic, I just received my 50phd8uk and have spent about 10 hours with it. On A couple different channels I seen a slight change in black levels. It didnt happen a lot but I did see something. (kind of a pulsing from light to darker) I watched the Utah football game and didnt see anything at all. So I dont know if what I was seeing is the tv itself or the signal. But I never noticed this on my 36 sony hdtv. I am using component with a 8300 hd settop box. I am very picky though and it wasnt t the point of being distracting. I will report back when I can play with the set some more. Later

You may want to check the Power Save mode settings and make sure it is turned off. This can cause the picture level to be lowered when scenes change.

-- Rich

Thanks Richb, I will check that but I think it was off. I'll check again to make sure though. Later

Been lurking around for a while- really impressed with the 50" consumer model I've seen out and about- so I'm thinking very seriously about the TH-50PHD8UK- have any of you heard anything about pcandplasma-com? They have it.

Thanks in advance all!

Michael D.

[MSRP ONLY]

You're only supposed to post MSRP here.

Make sure you use a reputable online dealer. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is. If the online dealer is authorized with Panasonic, it's usually a safe bet (but there are some reputable dealer's who aren't, i.e. TVA).

Whooops. Thanks for the advice. I know you get what you pay for generally...

Actually just did a search for that company name here on the board- you're right- stay away. The wonders of the internet :)

My Panny TH50PHDUK will be delivered this afternoon. Thanks, VA. :D

Hi all,

I'm seriously thinking of getting this plasma. For the current owners out there, how far do you sit from the screen? Do you notice the screen door effect, or motion blur, especially with SD programs? I figure I'll be doing 70% SD.

I have about 7" of viewing distance. Am I crazy going with the 50" instead of the 42"? :D

Coming from a 27" crt, I'm almost scared this 50" would be 'too big'! (am I paranoid?)

ps. I was at Futureshop and from 7" I couldn't see any screen door effects, but this was on HD programming. I was set on the 42" but seeing the 50" side by side... candy!

Shojin, I have the panasonic 50 and sit about 6.5 to 8 feet and I dont see any screen door or motion blur. I was thinking about the 42 also and I am so glad I went with the 50. Its even starting to shrink already. :) Good Luck and enjoy

Does this monitor accept native resolution (1366 * 768) via HDMI?

Yes it does, you can connect a computer with an appropriate graphics card (that allows you to select custom resolutions) via HDMI (provided you have an HDMI plug in card for the plasma).

Yes it does, you can connect a computer with an appropriate graphics card (that allows you to select custom resolutions) via HDMI (provided you have an HDMI plug in card for the plasma).
I just have my doubts, since the product brochure states otherwise.
Have you actually tried this yourself with success?

Was sure that I saw it running on my buddy's 7UY, haven't tried it on the 8UK. So actually, no I'm not positive.

I just have my doubts, since the product brochure states otherwise.
Have you actually tried this yourself with success?

Hi all,

I'm seriously thinking of getting this plasma. For the current owners out there, how far do you sit from the screen? Do you notice the screen door effect, or motion blur, especially with SD programs? I figure I'll be doing 70% SD.

I have about 7" of viewing distance. Am I crazy going with the 50" instead of the 42"? :D

Coming from a 27" crt, I'm almost scared this 50" would be 'too big'! (am I paranoid?)

ps. I was at Futureshop and from 7" I couldn't see any screen door effects, but this was on HD programming. I was set on the 42" but seeing the 50" side by side... candy!

I think there are two camps here. One craves the true "widescreen" theatre experience and the other just wants a big tv that looks good. It depends on preference.

I sit at around 14 ft. with my 50 inch. I guess you can figure which one I'm in. I personally think I would see SDE and dithering noise too much at 7 ft. with my set.

OTOH, at closer distances, it's likely you could turn the picture settings down to offset dithering noise and probably still be o.k.

Sorry, I guess my answer is it has to be up to you.

Edit: I own the 50PX50U, but I think my advice it still valid. I forgot which thread I was in. (oops)

Actually just did a search for that company name here on the board- you're right- stay away. The wonders of the internet :)


Yup. They used to be located here:

http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/0048.jpg


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Quick questions ..

Does this unit use a standard IEC power cord? It looks like it from the pictures, but I just want to make sure. Also, how long is the included power cord?

(I'm pre-running a power cable through the wall before the unit comes in .. according to my electrician, it's not really a code violation as long as it's not an extension cord running in the wall .. please let me know otherwise if you know for a fact that he's wrong)

Thanks,
Phil

Can anyone comment on the speaker outputs? Is power output reasonable for normal TV application.

If it is like my 50PHD7UY it has an IEC power cord which is 2 meters long. It is also my belief that running a power cord of any kind through a wall IS a code violation.

If it is like my 50PHD7UY it has an IEC power cord which is 2 meters long. It is also my belief that running a power cord of any kind through a wall IS a code violation.

The regulations on this are regional, not national. If your electrician is certified, then he would know best what the rules in your area are.

Hey Oliver. The Panny WILL take NR from a scaler over DVI for sure. The HDMI taking NR is news to me. I was told by Panny in would not work. Sounds like Rich has it working and I am also interested in what he is using to get NR via HDMI as this is great news! Does your scaler only output HDMI?

John

Does the DVI at NR accept both 50hz and 60hz? Thanks! funny why the HDMI input cannot accept NR. My Lumagen actually outputs DVI. Just prefer HDMI as my next scaler probably will be HDMI and HDMI cables are usually thinner =p

Oliver

As far as I last checked a couple of years ago, it is a violation of most forms of the BOCA code. I have seen many certified tradesmen make very fundamental mistakes. Irregardless, I would not do it and would only run romex through a wall.

Was sure that I saw it running on my buddy's 7UY, haven't tried it on the 8UK. So actually, no I'm not positive.

look at the specs on the 8UK, by default it has a vga, a component, and an S-video input ONLY. no speakers, no tuner, just the bare essentials. that's why it's as cheap as it is.

Can this plasma display a 720x480 dvd in native rate over hdmi? Meaning; can it display 720x480 within it's 1366x768 pixels with no upscaling?

My projector had that feature over its analog inputs.
Bob C

look at the specs on the 8UK, by default it has a vga, a component, and an S-video input ONLY. no speakers, no tuner, just the bare essentials. that's why it's as cheap as it is.

Yup, they don't come with stands either. But on the other hand if you don't need or want those things there is no way to un-pay for them by buying the consumer model. The typical example would be someone who wants to wall mount, making the stand it comes with useless, and have it hooked up to a separate audio system, making the internal speakers useless as well. Some people also prefer the minimal picture frame look of commercial panels as well and if you don't need internal speakers this works for them too.

I have my 50PHD8UK temporarily hooked up to some decent speakers I had from an old 5.1 system through the built in amp and they sound better than the built in speakers in the consumer panny I had. I have not used the built-in tuner on any television I have owned in over 12 years and If I want to go to 2 HDMI blades or some other combination I have the flexibility in the commercial panel that no consumer plasma I know of has. This plus the fact that I can tweak the settings far more than the consumer model, a better internal processor from what I can tell and have picture in picture capabilities that the PX50 doesn't have, you have to pay more for it in the shape of the PX500 model. The commercial works for me but it won't work for everyone.

It all comes down to what you need and want. If you want all the things the consumer model comes with, get that one. If you don't then you can look into the commercial ones.

-Jerry C.

Can this plasma display a 720x480 dvd in native rate over hdmi? Meaning; can it display 720x480 within it's 1366x768 pixels with no upscaling?

My projector had that feature over its analog inputs.
Bob C

I don't have an HDMI blade yet but I don't think it is possible. It makes sense for a projector to do this as you can either zoom in or move it farther away to fill up more screen. On a plasma you would have a picture using up only about 1/3 of all your pixels and even risk burn in as well over the long haul, not that I think this is a big issue with these panels right now. The internal scaler seems to do a fantastic job with DVD's IMHO and a well encoded DVD practically fools you into thinking it is HD anyway so why would anyone want to watch it in the native 720x480 anyway?

-Jerry C.

Can this plasma display a 720x480 dvd in native rate over hdmi? Meaning; can it display 720x480 within it's 1366x768 pixels with no upscaling?

My projector had that feature over its analog inputs.
Bob C

You would never want to view a DVD in native 720x480. If you did, the picture would look too wide if it was 4:3 aspect ratio or it would look too tall and skinny if the DVD was 16:9 aspect ratio.

DVD's don't have a 1:1 square pixel ratio. 4:3 DVDs are meant to be scaled by 90% on the horizontal and 16:9 DVDs are meant to be scaled by 120%.

The only way correctly view a DVD in it's native rez is to have a 16:9 display or a 4:3 display with 720x480 native resolution. Those don't exist AFAIK.

Bottom line is that all DVD's are scaled horizontally. If you want to view DVD's closest to their true rez, get an 853x480 EDTV. It has been well documented on this forum that EDTV plasma's display DVD's with the least amount of noise.

Thanks for the replys. I wouldn't want to view them that way all the time. I have my plasma showing up tomorrow, and wanted to be able to tell if my dvd player cropped or overscanned my picture. There's a thread going on about it right now in the dvd player forum http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=581265

I just scanned the user manual for the plasma, and I see that this commercial version allows setting the position and size of the picture. It also has a mode that uses 95% of the screen. Good enough for me to do my test when the plasma shows up!
Thanks,
Bob C

look at the specs on the 8UK, by default it has a vga, a component, and an S-video input ONLY. no speakers, no tuner, just the bare essentials. that's why it's as cheap as it is.

Cheaper in price. But a videophiles dream. More tweakability, no need for speakers because we spend thousands on audio equipment, no need for tuner if you have a DVR hi-def box. As far as inputs it actually has MORE if you buy blades. To me, and i'm still deciding between the 42PHD8UK and the 500U, the commercial model is a BMW with a stick and the 500U is a Lexus with an automatic..

i agree completely, and have a 50PHD8UK in shipment to me as we speak for those same reasons ;).

less than $3000 for a 50" 1366x768 plasma TV is a steal no matter how you cut it. in fact there's no reason not to do this that i can see. you're saving over 2k with these commercial displays, so why not just spend the 2k that you save on some average speakers and a decent receiver even if you don't have one? either way you come out ahead.

these commercial plasma displays are the best deals the TV business has ever seen, imo.

the commercial model is a BMW with a stick and the 500U is a Lexus with an automatic.

nice comparison.

Agree 100%.

But keep in mind that cars with a stick gearbox constitute about 1-2% of total US auto sales....:D

But they generate 102% of fun!

you're saving over 2k with these commercial displays, so why not just spend the 2k that you save on some average speakers and a decent receiver even if you don't have one?

Sorry, but that's just incorrect. Assuming purchase of one terminal board, a stand (or mount) and shipping costs, the price for the 50 inch 8UK is roughly equivalent to the 50PX50U including tax. With the 50PX50U you also get an NTSC,ATSC tuner as well as Cable Card and speakers (but no PIP, so you could say it's a wash).
Additionally, the 50PX50U can be purchased by most locally with 30 day guarantees and no- interest financing.

The main reason to go for the commercial model IMO is the flexibility of the the input terminals as well as the tweakability through the user menu.

The best analogy I have heard was from MAW on the avforums, buying a Panasonic TV is like buying an all in one midi system, buying a panel is like buying hi-fi seperates, you wouldn't do it with the sound, so why do it with the visual side.

I presume the consumer models are the same as our consumer models on picture quality?
I can't get the 500 to look anywhere near as good as the panels, it looks more like a panel with the external Tuner, which is not good. I can understand that some peopel just want an all in one tv, but for those who want the best picture the I would say panel everytime.

There's no reason to suspect PQ would be any different as they're both 8th gen. panels and have identical specs per Panasonic.

I like the hi-fi separates analogy, though. :)

I have not used the built-in tuner on any television I have owned in over 12 years -Jerry C.

Aha! This is the quote I've been looking for. Need some help here - I historically have used the built-in tuners because they let me channel surf like a fiend - as fast as I can push the button is how fast I want the channels to change. I tried a Set Top Box once and just about jumped out the window after trying to channel surf. Click... wait... channel change. Click... wait... channel change.

I'm about to buy a 50PHD8UK but am scared to death that with no built in tuner I will be stuck with an external tuner that changes channels at the speed of molasses.

Anybody else run into this? Any suggestions from my fellow impatient lightning-thumbed channel changers out there who can suggest a good solution to my problem - or an external box that will support my surfing style?

THANKS in advance. I've been reading the forum for weeks researching the 50PHD8UK and this is my first post ever. :)

- JonJ

Anybody else run into this? Any suggestions from my fellow impatient lightning-thumbed channel changers out there who can suggest a good solution to my problem - or an external box that will support my surfing style?

- JonJ

Jon,

Get a DVR or HD Tivo. You will forget all about your tuner.

There's no reason to suspect PQ would be any different as they're both 8th gen. panels and have identical specs per Panasonic.

I like the hi-fi separates analogy, though. :)

I have a 42HD6 and a PHD8 and I can not get my mates 500 to look anywhere near as good as my 6 series panel. All the guys who calibrate them for a living in the UK tend to agree. Just look at the banding on the 500 compared to a PHD8.
It looks more like the commercial panel with the crappy add on tuner box, alot softer and the image looks more digital. Another problem with the european model is there is no way to adjust the H and V size on the consumer version, so if you want to add a scaler gettig 1:1 mapping is pretty much a no go.

Hey guys,

I'm in a tough situation. I have to go to the tv store this weekend (two days), and tell them which tv I want (due to a munfacture's defect on an earlier tv). I have been looking at the TH-50PWD7UY, and I loved the fact that I can customize it with one additional component connection and 2 HDMI connections (I'm very excited to PIP 2 HDMI connections). Anyway, I just came across this thread talking about the TH-50PHD8UK. I did some research and it looks the same as the TH-50PWD7UY.

My question is, what is the difference between the TH-50PWD7UY and the TH-50PHD8UK?

and....

Is it possible to PIP two HDMI signals? (I was assuming I could, but I didn't want to jump the gun).

Thanks guys, my home theatre viewing is in your hands.

x Spades x

I would say that the HD8 is more important to people who live in the Pal world rather than NTSC, the main new features are added support at 50Hz on the HDMI/DVI inputs.

There are more greyscale steps on the 8 series now it has 14 bit processing, but speaking to people who have gone from a 7 to an 8 they all seem to think the picture is pretty much the same, apart from on the scart input, but not many people will buy a 50" and use scart so that is more important for the 37 and 42" screens I guess.

If you have the choice then go for the 8, but I wouldn't loose any sleep over getting the 7.

I'm about to buy a 50PHD8UK but am scared to death that with no built in tuner I will be stuck with an external tuner that changes channels at the speed of molasses.

- JonJ

Sorry I missed your post earlier. I just woke up in the middle of the night and couldn't go back to sleep so bear with me as I waver into and out of consciousness ;)

You face two problems: one you seem to be aware of and another you may not. You will have to use a cable box or external tuner and depending on what you consider fast or slow you may be disappointed. It really all depends on what you perceive as fast and I imagine some cable boxes are faster than others. If you have had an HDTV before you know that changing resolution can also cause a delay. When a plasma goes from a 1080i to 720p or 480i channel it has to adjust for the change. The consumer 42" panny I had before seemed to take a second or two while it displayed a gray screen and switched between different resolutions. The commercial panel seem to do this significantly faster but in a more unrefined computer display kind of way. A way around this lag is to set the cable box to pass all things out in 1080i for example, my SA 8300HD can do this but I am uncertain of other boxes. I don't like slow channel changes either but I prefer to pass all channels through in native resolution and let the panny do the scaling, especially because I like the SD stretch mode much better in the TV than the one the SA cable box does. I don't think the SA 8300 HD is particularly slow in changing though. My advice is to get an HD cable box from your cable company, tell them you have an HDTV, and give it a test drive on your current set-up.

For what its worth I never liked Tivo's and resisted the idea for a long time but after getting the dual tuner SA 8300HD, which essentially acts like a Tivo, I must say I can't imagine watching TV ever again with out it. I find myself purposely viewing programing later just so I can skip though commercials;) Sometimes you can teach an old dog new tricks;)

-Jerry C.

Sorry, but that's just incorrect. Assuming purchase of one terminal board, a stand (or mount) and shipping costs, the price for the 50 inch 8UK is roughly equivalent to the 50PX50U including tax. With the 50PX50U you also get an NTSC,ATSC tuner as well as Cable Card and speakers (but no PIP, so you could say it's a wash).
Additionally, the 50PX50U can be purchased by most locally with 30 day guarantees and no- interest financing.

The main reason to go for the commercial model IMO is the flexibility of the the input terminals as well as the tweakability through the user menu.

Your missing the point as far as the features, you make it sound like we are missing out on something by not buying the 50U. You say you don't get speakers, a tuner, and cablecard..that's true but the person buying the commercial (probably moi) doesn't want or need these features. The commercial can also be used as a HTPC.
And keep in mind the commercial can be tweaked more than the consumer resulting in a better picture despite having the same specs. Price wise i can get a 50PHD8UK for about the same price as a 42" PX50U from a CC. I will admit that it is harder to get a commercial in store but if you live near LAX there is an official Panny dealer which i have been to. The TV arrives from the wherehouse to the store and you have the option of having it delivered to your house or bringing it home yourself from the store.

Price wise i can get a 50PHD8UK for about the same price as a 42" PX50U from a CC. .

No one is missing out on anything. You choose what you want to buy after carefully shopping around and most will be happy with either.

I really think you need to get your facts on pricing straight, though. The above statement is ludicrous. Either that or your CC is ripping you off. I just bought a 50PX50U from CC. I'll PM you the price I paid including tax.

Edit: Tried your PM but it's disabled.

Your missing the point as far as the features, you make it sound like we are missing out on something by not buying the 50U. You say you don't get speakers, a tuner, and cablecard..that's true but the person buying the commercial (probably moi) doesn't want or need these features. The commercial can also be used as a HTPC.
And keep in mind the commercial can be tweaked more than the consumer resulting in a better picture despite having the same specs. Price wise i can get a 50PHD8UK for about the same price as a 42" PX50U from a CC. I will admit that it is harder to get a commercial in store but if you live near LAX there is an official Panny dealer which i have been to. The TV arrives from the wherehouse to the store and you have the option of having it delivered to your house or bringing it home yourself from the store.

What's the name of the store buy LAX?

I would say that the HD8 is more important to people who live in the Pal world rather than NTSC, the main new features are added support at 50Hz on the HDMI/DVI inputs.


Not at native res.?

this display can't receive it's native res. through HDMI? It won't upscale?

does the 7 series have that same problem?

I'm so confused....

No one is missing out on anything. You choose what you want to buy after carefully shopping around and most will be happy with either.

I really think you need to get your facts on pricing straight, though. The above statement is ludicrous. Either that or your CC is ripping you off. I just bought a 50PX50U from CC. I'll PM you the price I paid including tax.

I would have to agree w/ lipcrkr.
The 8UK is a much better deal than the 50PX50U at CC (Just checked the price). I ordered mine from VA and even w/ shipping it is cheaper by a magnitude (no tax helps). I am also including a DVI board, and stand.

My 8UK has more inputs and features (VGA, DVI, Component, Composite, S-Video). I can also do PIP w/ two digital sources (HD DVD, HD cable, HTPC etc.), the 50PX50U cannot. The 8UK display also has superior signal processing and screen.

I don't need a tuner because cable already has all the HD local stations in my location. As for the speakers I'm not sure why someone would wan't the ones which come w/ any TV since they are worthless. You could purchase a complete HTIB system for $200 and still come out way ahead.

I was just getting ready to pull the trigger on a 50" 8UK but now I'm on the fence again. I like that the 8UK has more picture controls and input specific settings. Also I watch a significant amount of 4:3 programming and from what I understand the just mode does a little zooming and a little stretching on the edges as opposed to just one or the other. I think I would prefer this to all zoom or all stretch since stretching would not be as noticable and the zooming would not clip as much. Can anyone confirm these differences in the "just" modes? Which "just" mode do most people prefer?

Now as to why I am on the fence again. I have a good friend who works for a company that shares an employee discount reciprocal relationship with Panasonic. In short he can get employee pricing on Panasonic products. The catch is that the employee pricing only works for the consumer models. I can actually get a 500u cheaper through his discount than I could get an 8UK with stand and HDMI board from VA or TVA. Oh yeah, and shipping would be free.

Would I be a complete idiot to actually pay more for the 8UK?

I don't need speakers and I user an SA8300 from Time Warner for my tuner. Maybe the tuner would have some benefit if cable went out? I would like to experiment with the cable card option but doubt I would use it much since I love DVR and use it for pausing and skipping around all the time. No need for a picture card reader.

Would anyone out there actually pay a bit more for an 8UK ($150) than a 500u? I feel like an idiot for contemplating paying more for what appears to be less but just don't need the extras of the 500u and like the ability to customize the 8UK. Am I crazy?

Would anyone out there actually pay a bit more for an 8UK ($150) than a 500u? I feel like an idiot for contemplating paying more for what appears to be less but just don't need the extras of the 500u and like the ability to customize the 8UK. Am I crazy?

You wouldn't be crazy to pay more the the 8UK. You could justify by several reasons.

1. Flexibility to have 2 HDMI inputs.
2. Teakability
3. Form Factor. To some, the look of the 8UK is much more appealing than the 500U or 50U. For me this is the biggest reason. My media opening is 50" wide so only the 8UK would fit.

No one would knock you for going either direction.

I would pay more. Way better form factor for me. All the tweaks, and the extra grey scale on the DVI and HDMI. I would never use the speaker, tuner, cable card, and what not. I just want to see my screen and nothing else and that is how all my Plasmas are set up.

John

Thanks, you guys. Can anyone explain the difference in the "just" mode between the commercial and and the consumer models. In my original post I listed what I thought was the difference but I'm not sure. Can anyone elaborate? This is very important to me since I'll be watching a significant amount of 4:3 programming.

I think just mode is exactly the same in the commercial and consumer panny's.

Sorry, but that's just incorrect. Assuming purchase of one terminal board, a stand (or mount) and shipping costs, the price for the 50 inch 8UK is roughly equivalent to the 50PX50U including tax. With the 50PX50U you also get an NTSC,ATSC tuner as well as Cable Card and speakers (but no PIP, so you could say it's a wash).
Additionally, the 50PX50U can be purchased by most locally with 30 day guarantees and no- interest financing.

The main reason to go for the commercial model IMO is the flexibility of the the input terminals as well as the tweakability through the user menu.

My main reason to go with the commercial model (even though I do like the flexibility) is that it fits in my 48.5 inch space where the consumer model with the built-in speakers is way too big. [Of course I also have a surround setup utilizing NHT speakers that just doesn't compare to the built-in speakers anyway.]

I think just mode is exactly the same in the commercial and consumer panny's.

I just looked at both owner's manuals from the Pansasonic web site and they look different. The top of the corner circles are flush with the top of the screen on the commercial model. In the consumer model manual the circles have a little space between them and the edge of the screen.

With the commercial model there seems to be a little zooming (and therefore cropping) in addition to stretching the outside left and right edges. It would seem that this little bit of zooming would not crop too much and also diminish the amount of stretch needed keeping a less distorted picture. I don't know how to copy and paste the pictures from the manuals but they do look different. I wonder though if its just the pictures in the manual that look different or if the just mode actually works different. Does anyone know for sure?

If that is the case, do you prefer less cropping (consumer) or more cropping (commercial).

The less cropping you have the more you have to stretch the picture. I think I would prefer more cropping.

I would have thought that the aspect modes would be the same.

If that is the case, do you prefer less cropping (consumer) or more cropping (commercial).

The less cropping you have the more you have to stretch the picture. I think I would prefer more cropping.

I would have thought that the aspect modes would be the same.


I believe based on the pictures in the manuals that the consumer versions have no zooming in just mode. It appears that the just mode on the commercial versions zooms a little and stretches the edge a little (but less than the consumer version since its zoomed). I would much prefer this but would like to verify that it's the case.

I just looked at both owner's manuals from the Pansasonic web site and they look different. The top of the corner circles are flush with the top of the screen on the commercial model. In the consumer model manual the circles have a little space between them and the edge of the screen.

With the commercial model there seems to be a little zooming (and therefore cropping) in addition to stretching the outside left and right edges. It would seem that this little bit of zooming would not crop too much and also diminish the amount of stretch needed keeping a less distorted picture. I don't know how to copy and paste the pictures from the manuals but they do look different. I wonder though if its just the pictures in the manual that look different or if the just mode actually works different. Does anyone know for sure?

I took a look a the manuals and there is a discrepancy between the 2 pictures.

I don't think that these pictures accurately depict if there are any real differences between just modes in the commercial and consumer.

The reason I say this is that the large center circle is the same in both pictures. Only the 4 small circles are drawn differently.

8UK JUST
http://members.cox.net/renlopez/images/8uk_just.jpg

50U JUST
http://members.cox.net/renlopez/images/50u_just.jpg

I would have to agree w/ lipcrkr.
The 8UK is a much better deal than the 50PX50U at CC (Just checked the price). I ordered mine from VA and even w/ shipping it is cheaper by a magnitude (no tax helps). I am also including a DVI board, and stand.

.

Bam, Bam, Bam. That's the sound of me banging my head against the wall. :confused:

If you always pay what they ask when you walk in, then I'll relent.


The commercial model has more user menu adjustment and more input versatility/customization. That's the reason to get it. It also looks better IMO.
That was almost enough for me to switch, but I didn't. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for either choice.

I took a look a the manuals and there is a discrepancy between the 2 pictures.

I don't think that these pictures accurately depict if there are any real differences between just modes in the commercial and consumer.

The reason I say this is that the large center circle is the same in both pictures. Only the 4 small circles are drawn differently.



No, I would say that the manuals are spot on. When I first got my 50PHD8UK I thought it was doing something different than the consumer 42" HD model I had and I looked into the manual and it appears correct. The commercial seems to zoom in a little more first than the consumer model and then it does the stretch so in effect it actually has to stretch out less of the picture. The difference is not huge but to my eyes significant. I really noticed it because watching channels like ESPN News with a constant ticker graphic at the bottom makes it more noticeable that some of the screen it being cut off top and bottom. The Consumer model zooms in a little as well I think but not as much as the commercial one. If anyone has as consumer panel and takes a screen shot of the AVIA or DVE over-scan screen I can post my results for a more scientific comparison.

-Jerry C.