Thank you, Em Gee, Enigma. Yes, my problem is that I only have one digital input into my home theater. It is an old Bose Lifestyle 25, which otherwise still works great.

I did read through the 42HDT52 guide, and there is NO indication that it will block optical audio out, if the input is HDMI (Pioneer manuals specifically mention that theirs do). I just want to be sure before investing, to save myself an unpleasant surprise. :-)

When I owned my 42hdt52 I played around with the service menu. I only messed with the medium setting and the original values were Red:ff Green:bf and blue was aa

hope this helps

What are these values called? If they are color codes, aren't they supposed to be 6 digits?

I apologize for my ignorance, but I just want to know what they are before I make some changes to these values.

I wouldn't mind hearing the reason for the switch and how they compare...

Thanks in advance!

Ok, sorry for the late reply but I finally got my SXRD last saturday. I'm not an expert so I won't go into technical details, and my english is not very good so I'll do my best.

I bought the 42HDT52 about three weeks ago. I went to a store here and was convinced that Plasma was the best thing to get. I looked at the Pioneer, Pana and Hitachi, in the 42''-43'' range. I liked the pana but I would have had to wait about 3 months before getting one. The pioneer was too expensive (I also had to buy the stand) and I think it had less features than the hitachi. At the time, the Hitachi cost me about 500CAN$ less than the pio, not counting the stand. I still think the Hitachi is one of the best 40-49'' plasma out there.

I live with my girlfriend, no kids. The TV would be on about 4 hours on weekdays and maybe 6 hours on weekends. That means between 30-40 hours average per week. 40% of this time would be spent watching SD cable (we can only get one HD channel here, but I think there'll be more by the end of the year), and about 30% playing GameCube and PS2 (and I plan to buy both the Xbox360 and the PS3 by the end of the year), the other 30% will be for watching DVD movies. However, gaming to me was the reason of the upgrade, so I didn't really care about how SD would look as long as games look great.

I sit at 8'-9' and there's a huge 10' patio door near the TV. About 40% of our viewing time will be on daytime.

Ok, so I thought Plasma would be the fastest to play game (no lag and no blurring) and I almost believed it was a true 1080p set.

What I liked about the Hitachi :

- Great SD quality. Since 40% of my viewing time is watchin SD, I was really impressed with what the Hitachi could do.
- A lot of features. It hasn't been discussed a lot here, but the USB input is great. We take a lot of pictures with our friends and it's nice to be able to watch them on the Hitachi.
- No motion blur when playing games
- The colors are awesome
- Great viewing angle (170 degrees)
- Good sound from the speakers

What I didn't like about the Hitachi :

- The glass was too reflective. Because of the big window and the 40% daytime viewing, we had way too much reflections on the set.
- At my viewing angle, the Screen Door Effect was REALLY noticable.
- There was a lag with 480i games. When playing games like Guitar Hero or MVP Baseball, you had to press the buttons something like half a second before what you would normally do. Guitar Hero was unplayable. For your info, my PS2 is linked with the monster gamelink 400 component cables, so I doubt this was a problem with the cables (original RCA PS2 cables were even worse). To solve the problem, I would have had to buy some kind of Progressive-Scan Component VGA Box then a VGA-HDMI converter. Would have cost me 400$
- I didn't like to have to get right in front of the TV for the remote to work. Even when I thought I was in the perfect middle, the remote sometimes refused to work.
- Blacks weren't black enough, and the flicker was very noticeable (even my girlfriend saw it). I know this should have been fixed by now...
- Burn in. I know it's hard to burn permanently your plasma screen, but I'm an old school gamer and I played the first Zelda game on it (GameCube version, collector's edition). The first time I played was about 2 hours (pretty short gaming session as far as I'm concerned) and I swear I could see what sword I was using and how many hearts (life) I had for AT LEAST 45 minutes after I stopped playing. Even after shutting down the TV for the night, it was still there the next morning. Sure, it disapeared in less than an hour, but I don't want to know how long it takes for a 8 hours gaming/SD watching period to make the burn in disapear.

I went back to the B&M where I bought the Hitachi and switched it for a 50'' Sony SXRD. It cost me about 1000CAN$ more, but it's a 50'' screen. Also I bought the extended warranty for the Sony. Plasma models were 500$ for 3 years and RPTV were 300$ for 5 years, so I guess it was worth it.

What I like about the SXRD :

- The colors are AWESOME. Even at the factory settings, everything looks prettier (to my eyes) than the Hitachi. Blacks are blacks, and Red is really nice.
- No reflections. Sure, the matte screen is said to have Silk Screen Effect. I can see it when I really want to, but I haven't told my gilfriend about this problem and she still hasn't complained, so you really have to look for it to see it. She saw the SDE the second we opened the hitachi, and was always complaining about the reflections.
- 1920x1080 resolution. I don't have a lot of HD stuff right now, but Gran Turismo 4 on 1080i looks a lot better on the SXRD than on the Hitachi. I always thought the 1024x1024 alis system was weird, so I'm glad I can now have a true 1080 resolution.
- Lots of inputs. There's also a VGA port.
- No lag when playing Guitar Hero or other 480i games. For me, that's a big plus.
- No burn in. I can pause the game, get on the computer to look at FAQs and Guides, forget about the TV and spend an hour in front of the computer without fearing about burn in.
- I don't really like the remote, but at least I don't have to be in front of the TV to make it work.
- I might be the only one, but I like the idea of having to change the bulb when it's fading. I think spending 300$ every 5-8 years to make my set look brand new is a lot better than worrying in 5-8 years how worse the picture is and will become in the next years. I plan on using this TV for a good 15-20 years (will move it to the basement or give it to the kids, but I won't sell it for sure).
- The menu really had a lot of options. I'm sure I can get a better picture than what I have now, and it's already awesome!

What I don't like (so far) about the SXRD :

- I've read a lot about the green blob. I can see it in the first 5-10 minutes, but I don't want this problem to get worse over the years...
- Right now, I don't care about the dumbo ears (speakers) but when I'll move it to the basement in a few years, it might cause a problem.
- The viewing angle is not as good as the Plasma. Horizontal is fine (130-140 degrees) but vertical still isn't good enough. If I stand up during a game for whatever reason, the screen gets really dark. I've invited a few friends last sunday (we were about 8 around the TV) and I'm sure a few of them thought the TV was too dark because of where they sat.
- Memory Stick input. I don't think I'll ever buy a Sony camera and their expensive memory cards, so this is really useless for me. The USB input made a lot more sense...
- No easy way to turn the TV. It's not a problem with the SXRD, but the Hitachi made it so easy to turn the TV with the Power Swivel that it's hard not to complain.
- SD looks horrible. A lot worse than the Hitachi. As I previously said, I don't care much about the SD since as soon as I can get HD here, I'll get it. But until then, boy does it look like crap.
- It takes about 30 seconds to open. It's not a big problem, but if you sit on the remote and accidently close the TV during the last seconds of the fourth quarter, better open the radio! It already happened twice that we accidently close the set (and no, my ass is not that big!). Anyway, I'll get the Harmony 880/890 in a few weeks so I'll stop having 8-9 remotes lying everywhere.

I guess that's about it. I doubt anyone will read through my entire post, but if you only read this, know that from a gamer's point of view the SXRD is a lot better than the hitachi. Better resolution, no lag, no burn in, better blacks and no flicker (Splinter Cell looked really bad on the hitachi...). And since we often play NHL06 or NFL2K with 6-7 players around the TV, it's nice not to have the SDE, as some players will be way too close to the set not to notice it. I know a lot of avs members think Plasma is the best and only option, but for me the SXRD is better at the same price range (I know 8000CAN$ Pioneer Elite are great, but I couldn't afford it). So for the same price as a 42'' plasma, I got a 50'' SXRD which so far I like a lot more.

Hope this helps : )

What are these values called? If they are color codes, aren't they supposed to be 6 digits?

I apologize for my ignorance, but I just want to know what they are before I make some changes to these values.


I believe he is refering to the:

WHT BAL HIGH
WHT BAL MED
WHT BAL STD
WHT BAL B/W

If you scroll down to any of these choices and press Select, a new menu shows up displaying something like

RDRV HIGH xx
GDRV HIGH xx
BDRV HIGH xx

or close to it. I can't really remember. There is a choice for R, G & B. The xx represent a HEX number from 00 to FF. In my case all the values were set to ff somehow. I don't know how that happened since I was not even messing with these menus.

Maybe someone can explain how to set certain options in the menu. For example when the menu opens, the cursor is next to line RGB. Pressing Select or Right arrow does nothing but if I press and hold Select or Right arrow the colors are restored and it looks great. The problem is the menu disappears and slowly the colors begin to wash out until you can't hardly see anything and the menu reappears. Is there a way to access the RGB menu or retain the setting? Also, this seems to be affecting only the analog; the digital channels look fine.

In addition if I scroll to factory reset, pressing select does not do anything but pressing the right arrow switches the screen to Magenta then to Green and then it hangs and I can only get out of it by turning OFF the Main Power.

Sahrento, would you be willing to write down your settings for the WHT BAL (12 in total) and share so that I can try at least restoring those.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sam

Hi ssantia,

Sure. I'll do it for you and post it here. Is your unit the 42HDT52A model? Just want to make sure as that is my model.

I still want to know what those hex codes/values represent. Does anyone?

I believe he is refering to the:

WHT BAL HIGH
WHT BAL MED
WHT BAL STD
WHT BAL B/W

If you scroll down to any of these choices and press Select, a new menu shows up displaying something like

RDRV HIGH xx
GDRV HIGH xx
BDRV HIGH xx

or close to it. I can't really remember. There is a choice for R, G & B. The xx represent a HEX number from 00 to FF. In my case all the values were set to ff somehow. I don't know how that happened since I was not even messing with these menus.

Maybe someone can explain how to set certain options in the menu. For example when the menu opens, the cursor is next to line RGB. Pressing Select or Right arrow does nothing but if I press and hold Select or Right arrow the colors are restored and it looks great. The problem is the menu disappears and slowly the colors begin to wash out until you can't hardly see anything and the menu reappears. Is there a way to access the RGB menu or retain the setting? Also, this seems to be affecting only the analog; the digital channels look fine.

In addition if I scroll to factory reset, pressing select does not do anything but pressing the right arrow switches the screen to Magenta then to Green and then it hangs and I can only get out of it by turning OFF the Main Power.

Sahrento, would you be willing to write down your settings for the WHT BAL (12 in total) and share so that I can try at least restoring those.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Sam

Okay, here's my settings:

WBH
R DRV HIGH ff
G DRV HIGH e9
B DRV HIGH df

WB MED
R DRV MED ff
G DRV MED c7
B DRV MED b7

WB STD
R DRV STD ff
G DRV STD b6
B DRV STD 7e

WB B/W
R DRV B/W ff
G DRV B/W a7
B DRV B/W 63

Hope that helps ssantia.

Hi ssantia,

Sure. I'll do it for you and post it here. Is your unit the 42HDT52A model? Just want to make sure as that is my model.

I still want to know what those hex codes/values represent. Does anyone?

Thanks Sarhento.

Yes it is the 52A.

The HEX number is the binary way of representing color level. The range is 0 to 255 so there are 256 levels of Red, Blue and Green. FF is 255, FE is 254...7F is 127, 0F is 15 and so on.

The theory is that if you mix them in equal amounts it should produce 256 levels of gray and you should be able to choose a level of gray that provides a good range of gray levels without being too dark or washing out the colors. However in the TV world it is not that simple because there are other variables involved. The manufacturer is trying to provide different choices of gray (Temperature) to compensate for these variables. That's why they provide High, Med, Std and B/W. Once you mess up those values, without calibration tools, it is difficult to achieve those setting. That's why I am hoping the values you provide will get me to a good starting point.

Sam

Hi ssantia,

thanks for the explanation although I still don't understand it :)

let us know what you come up with eventually. good luck.

I have a HDT42 and I am getting some sort of electrical interference all of a sudden. I have the Plasma attached to a Starchoice 505 and have not had any issues until recently. While watching i will all of a sudden hear a "crackling" sound and the picture distorts. It is different then when there is a satellite issue with rain or snow. Any ideas or help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Ok, sorry for the late reply but I finally got my SXRD last saturday. I'm not an expert so I won't go into technical details, and my english is not very good so I'll do my best.

I bought the 42HDT52 about three weeks ago. I went to a store here and was convinced that Plasma was the best thing to get. I looked at the Pioneer, Pana and Hitachi, in the 42''-43'' range. I liked the pana but I would have had to wait about 3 months before getting one. The pioneer was too expensive (I also had to buy the stand) and I think it had less features than the hitachi. At the time, the Hitachi cost me about 500CAN$ less than the pio, not counting the stand. I still think the Hitachi is one of the best 40-49'' plasma out there.

I live with my girlfriend, no kids. The TV would be on about 4 hours on weekdays and maybe 6 hours on weekends. That means between 30-40 hours average per week. 40% of this time would be spent watching SD cable (we can only get one HD channel here, but I think there'll be more by the end of the year), and about 30% playing GameCube and PS2 (and I plan to buy both the Xbox360 and the PS3 by the end of the year), the other 30% will be for watching DVD movies. However, gaming to me was the reason of the upgrade, so I didn't really care about how SD would look as long as games look great.

I sit at 8'-9' and there's a huge 10' patio door near the TV. About 40% of our viewing time will be on daytime.

Ok, so I thought Plasma would be the fastest to play game (no lag and no blurring) and I almost believed it was a true 1080p set.

What I liked about the Hitachi :

- Great SD quality. Since 40% of my viewing time is watchin SD, I was really impressed with what the Hitachi could do.
- A lot of features. It hasn't been discussed a lot here, but the USB input is great. We take a lot of pictures with our friends and it's nice to be able to watch them on the Hitachi.
- No motion blur when playing games
- The colors are awesome
- Great viewing angle (170 degrees)
- Good sound from the speakers

What I didn't like about the Hitachi :

- The glass was too reflective. Because of the big window and the 40% daytime viewing, we had way too much reflections on the set.
- At my viewing angle, the Screen Door Effect was REALLY noticable.
- There was a lag with 480i games. When playing games like Guitar Hero or MVP Baseball, you had to press the buttons something like half a second before what you would normally do. Guitar Hero was unplayable. For your info, my PS2 is linked with the monster gamelink 400 component cables, so I doubt this was a problem with the cables (original RCA PS2 cables were even worse). To solve the problem, I would have had to buy some kind of Progressive-Scan Component VGA Box then a VGA-HDMI converter. Would have cost me 400$
- I didn't like to have to get right in front of the TV for the remote to work. Even when I thought I was in the perfect middle, the remote sometimes refused to work.
- Blacks weren't black enough, and the flicker was very noticeable (even my girlfriend saw it). I know this should have been fixed by now...
- Burn in. I know it's hard to burn permanently your plasma screen, but I'm an old school gamer and I played the first Zelda game on it (GameCube version, collector's edition). The first time I played was about 2 hours (pretty short gaming session as far as I'm concerned) and I swear I could see what sword I was using and how many hearts (life) I had for AT LEAST 45 minutes after I stopped playing. Even after shutting down the TV for the night, it was still there the next morning. Sure, it disapeared in less than an hour, but I don't want to know how long it takes for a 8 hours gaming/SD watching period to make the burn in disapear.

I went back to the B&M where I bought the Hitachi and switched it for a 50'' Sony SXRD. It cost me about 1000CAN$ more, but it's a 50'' screen. Also I bought the extended warranty for the Sony. Plasma models were 500$ for 3 years and RPTV were 300$ for 5 years, so I guess it was worth it.

What I like about the SXRD :

- The colors are AWESOME. Even at the factory settings, everything looks prettier (to my eyes) than the Hitachi. Blacks are blacks, and Red is really nice.
- No reflections. Sure, the matte screen is said to have Silk Screen Effect. I can see it when I really want to, but I haven't told my gilfriend about this problem and she still hasn't complained, so you really have to look for it to see it. She saw the SDE the second we opened the hitachi, and was always complaining about the reflections.
- 1920x1080 resolution. I don't have a lot of HD stuff right now, but Gran Turismo 4 on 1080i looks a lot better on the SXRD than on the Hitachi. I always thought the 1024x1024 alis system was weird, so I'm glad I can now have a true 1080 resolution.
- Lots of inputs. There's also a VGA port.
- No lag when playing Guitar Hero or other 480i games. For me, that's a big plus.
- No burn in. I can pause the game, get on the computer to look at FAQs and Guides, forget about the TV and spend an hour in front of the computer without fearing about burn in.
- I don't really like the remote, but at least I don't have to be in front of the TV to make it work.
- I might be the only one, but I like the idea of having to change the bulb when it's fading. I think spending 300$ every 5-8 years to make my set look brand new is a lot better than worrying in 5-8 years how worse the picture is and will become in the next years. I plan on using this TV for a good 15-20 years (will move it to the basement or give it to the kids, but I won't sell it for sure).
- The menu really had a lot of options. I'm sure I can get a better picture than what I have now, and it's already awesome!

What I don't like (so far) about the SXRD :

- I've read a lot about the green blob. I can see it in the first 5-10 minutes, but I don't want this problem to get worse over the years...
- Right now, I don't care about the dumbo ears (speakers) but when I'll move it to the basement in a few years, it might cause a problem.
- The viewing angle is not as good as the Plasma. Horizontal is fine (130-140 degrees) but vertical still isn't good enough. If I stand up during a game for whatever reason, the screen gets really dark. I've invited a few friends last sunday (we were about 8 around the TV) and I'm sure a few of them thought the TV was too dark because of where they sat.
- Memory Stick input. I don't think I'll ever buy a Sony camera and their expensive memory cards, so this is really useless for me. The USB input made a lot more sense...
- No easy way to turn the TV. It's not a problem with the SXRD, but the Hitachi made it so easy to turn the TV with the Power Swivel that it's hard not to complain.
- SD looks horrible. A lot worse than the Hitachi. As I previously said, I don't care much about the SD since as soon as I can get HD here, I'll get it. But until then, boy does it look like crap.
- It takes about 30 seconds to open. It's not a big problem, but if you sit on the remote and accidently close the TV during the last seconds of the fourth quarter, better open the radio! It already happened twice that we accidently close the set (and no, my ass is not that big!). Anyway, I'll get the Harmony 880/890 in a few weeks so I'll stop having 8-9 remotes lying everywhere.

I guess that's about it. I doubt anyone will read through my entire post, but if you only read this, know that from a gamer's point of view the SXRD is a lot better than the hitachi. Better resolution, no lag, no burn in, better blacks and no flicker (Splinter Cell looked really bad on the hitachi...). And since we often play NHL06 or NFL2K with 6-7 players around the TV, it's nice not to have the SDE, as some players will be way too close to the set not to notice it. I know a lot of avs members think Plasma is the best and only option, but for me the SXRD is better at the same price range (I know 8000CAN$ Pioneer Elite are great, but I couldn't afford it). So for the same price as a 42'' plasma, I got a 50'' SXRD which so far I like a lot more.

Hope this helps : )

I read the whole thing and I am now NOT purchasing this plasma...

Anyone having excessive buzzing issues? After the plasma (42HDX) is on for about an hour, the buzzing starts...its def NOT the fan or other plasma sounds that im used to when close to the unit. Even with my home theater on, I can hear it over the audio at times, its that annoying.

Ok, so I thought Plasma would be the fastest to play game (no lag and no blurring) and I almost believed it was a true 1080p set.

What I liked about the Hitachi :

- Great SD quality. Since 40% of my viewing time is watchin SD, I was really impressed with what the Hitachi could do.
- A lot of features. It hasn't been discussed a lot here, but the USB input is great. We take a lot of pictures with our friends and it's nice to be able to watch them on the Hitachi.
- No motion blur when playing games
- The colors are awesome
- Great viewing angle (170 degrees)
- Good sound from the speakers

What I didn't like about the Hitachi :

- The glass was too reflective. Because of the big window and the 40% daytime viewing, we had way too much reflections on the set.
- At my viewing angle, the Screen Door Effect was REALLY noticable.
- There was a lag with 480i games. When playing games like Guitar Hero or MVP Baseball, you had to press the buttons something like half a second before what you would normally do. Guitar Hero was unplayable. For your info, my PS2 is linked with the monster gamelink 400 component cables, so I doubt this was a problem with the cables (original RCA PS2 cables were even worse). To solve the problem, I would have had to buy some kind of Progressive-Scan Component VGA Box then a VGA-HDMI converter. Would have cost me 400$
- I didn't like to have to get right in front of the TV for the remote to work. Even when I thought I was in the perfect middle, the remote sometimes refused to work.
- Blacks weren't black enough, and the flicker was very noticeable (even my girlfriend saw it). I know this should have been fixed by now...
- Burn in. I know it's hard to burn permanently your plasma screen, but I'm an old school gamer and I played the first Zelda game on it (GameCube version, collector's edition). The first time I played was about 2 hours (pretty short gaming session as far as I'm concerned) and I swear I could see what sword I was using and how many hearts (life) I had for AT LEAST 45 minutes after I stopped playing. Even after shutting down the TV for the night, it was still there the next morning. Sure, it disapeared in less than an hour, but I don't want to know how long it takes for a 8 hours gaming/SD watching period to make the burn in disapear.


My experience with my Hitachi is a little different. I've got a 55HDX62 and I love it. I do agree with you about the glass being very reflective. In hindsight, I should have listened to my curtain lady and gotten black-out shades. That's about the worst part of the TV. But hey I'm at work during most day-light hours.
I'm not much of a gamer, but I did try out Halo2. The picture was a little too sharp -- the edges are too definied. In that respect my other plasma is better.

Other than that the TV is perfect. I find the blacks very deep. And I think the picture is far better than any DLP and LCD projection I've ever seen. The only TV that I thnk is noticably better than it is the Pioneer Elite models. But 50" is too small and the 61" well that's just too damn expensive. I thought the picture was good with Dish, but it's unbelievable with an OTA antenna.

P.S. About the remote, point it at the lower right hand corner. That's where the receiver is.

I read the whole thing and I am now NOT purchasing this plasma...

You should at least try it for a while. It's a great plasma TV, great value for the price with all the features. I wish I could have bought the Director's Series Model (no one seemed to be selling it near where I live) which seems to have better blacks and a less reflective screen.

For DVDs and TV, it's a great purchase. However, if you intend to play 480i games it can really be a problem. I plan to purchase the Nintendo Revolution because it will be nes/snes/n64/gc compatible. I doubt nes/snes/n64 will be progressive so that'll leave me with a lot of old 480i games with an annoying lag. Even games like Sonic were harder because you need a lot of split second jumping and I couldn't do it with this TV. I know some will disagree, but I've been playing A LOT of video games for the past 20 years, I own almost every console and hundreds of games, so I know when something's wrong.

If you only intend to watch movies/TV or play progressive scan games, it's an awesome TV with a lot of cool features.

My experience with my Hitachi is a little different. I've got a 55HDX62 and I love it. I do agree with you about the glass being very reflective. In hindsight, I should have listened to my curtain lady and gotten black-out shades. That's about the worst part of the TV. But hey I'm at work during most day-light hours.
I'm not much of a gamer, but I did try out Halo2. The picture was a little too sharp -- the edges are too definied. In that respect my other plasma is better.

Other than that the TV is perfect. I find the blacks very deep. And I think the picture is far better than any DLP and LCD projection I've ever seen. The only TV that I thnk is noticably better than it is the Pioneer Elite models. But 50" is too small and the 61" well that's just too damn expensive. I thought the picture was good with Dish, but it's unbelievable with an OTA antenna.

P.S. About the remote, point it at the lower right hand corner. That's where the receiver is.

Thanks for your comments! From what I've heard the Director's Series seem to have better blacks and a much better screen. Halo 2 is at least 480p, so it shouldn't lag. I've tried a few progressive games like Mario Kart DD and Metroid Prime, everything was ok. However, most PS2 games only output at 480i, so does a lot of gamecube games and older consoles.

I wasn't too fond of LCD RPTV either, but those new LCoS TVs are great (the SXRD and JVC D-ILA). I wouldn't have bought a DLP for my room mostly because of the rainbow effect and viewing angle, and LCD still aren't fast enough to play FPS games.

It took me 2 weeks and almost 40 hours of reading reviews and comments here, and researching all the info I could find before switching the Hitachi 42HDT52 for the SXRD.

I still can't say if I did the right move, but so far I prefer the SXRD to the Hitachi for my needs. I can't say if the 55'' hitachi is better than the 42'' Hitachi because over 50'' was too big for my room (in fact 50'' still is a little too big).

Rstr & Starforsaken,

I am vexed by the question of whether to go with the 55HDT52 or the 55HDX62. Did you get a chance to actually view the picture on each? If so, can you comment on how noticeable the HDX benefits were (anti reflective glass, better color control) to the picture quality. I'm looking at a $1,500 premium for the HDX, and want to be sure before I jump.

Thanks!

The DX models are the top of the Hitachi lines followed by the DT models. DX have better customizability and fine tuning features as well as better handling of blacks.

The DX models are the top of the Hitachi lines followed by the DT models. DX have better customizability and fine tuning features as well as better handling of blacks.

Yes, thanks. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether the customizability and fine tuning will affect picture quality enough to matter. The question is- "is it better enough to justify the big $ premium"

Thx!

Rstr & Starforsaken,

I am vexed by the question of whether to go with the 55HDT52 or the 55HDX62. Did you get a chance to actually view the picture on each? If so, can you comment on how noticeable the HDX benefits were (anti reflective glass, better color control) to the picture quality. I'm looking at a $1,500 premium for the HDX, and want to be sure before I jump.

Thanks!

I did not see the HDT, only the HDS. Even then it was at a different store -- no side-by-side comparison. So I can't quantify the premium.

However, I can say that $1500 bucks is a lot of money. Seems like you're getting a very good price with the HDT, but a high price for the HDX. The store can squeeze you harder b/c there's not as many outlets to get the HDX. If you have money to burn, get the HDX. But otherwise get the HDT and save or spend your spare $1.5K :)

Yes, thanks. I guess what I'm trying to figure out is whether the customizability and fine tuning will affect picture quality enough to matter. The question is- "is it better enough to justify the big $ premium"

Thx!

That of course is a very subjective judgment one has to make. If I was tech-savvy enough to tweak the color management and color decoding features, I would perhaps go for the DX. I'd feel that the premium is justified. On the other hand, DT has those features too, just not as sophisticated and complex as the DX's.

To tell you the truth, I am very happy with the 42HDT52A and what DVE and Spyder TV have done to adjust it to my liking.

I did not see the HDT, only the HDS. Even then it was at a different store -- no side-by-side comparison. So I can't quantify the premium.


I was able to compare the HDT and the HDX at different stores and I did notice a slight difference in sharpness and clarity. I used the same DVD material at both to compare-- LOTR 2Towers-- and the HDX looked slightly sharper and clearer. The problem was that the HDT was connected via component to a JVC DVD and the picture wasn't adjusted properly. I played with the sharpness and brightness and it improved, but it didn't quite get to the same image clarity. The HDX was connected via HDMI to a top notch Denon DVD player. I do have $ for the better model buy I don't like paying extra unless I'm sure its for something substantially better (that's why I have the $ today :-) I'm convinced its possible to get better blacks on the HDX via the better adjustment capability and the anti-reflective glass would be helpful as would the extra year of warranty. The main concern is basic sharpness/clarity though and I can't be sure if the difference was due to the player/connection/adjustments or if there is REAL difference between the models on this criteria.... Decisions... decisions....

This link describes the extra features on the HDX. http://www.hitachi.us/tv/discover/techadv/tech_ad_plas00.shtml

To tell you the truth, I am very happy with the 42HDT52A and what DVE and Spyder TV have done to adjust it to my liking.

Thanks-- it sounds like all the HDT owners are pretty happy, so I doubt I'm making a bad decision either way. Maybe I'll go with the HDT and put some of the $1,500 saved into a Denon upconverting DVD Audio DVD player...

I picked up my 42" HDS a couple of days ago at CC. They have a great price right now! Do you guys have any tips for removing the power swivel and wall mounting the television?

Thanks!

HH G has it.
Who is HH G? Hhgregg?

HH Gregg is a regional (eastern midwest B&M retailer of electronic and applainces). They offered the Sony 60" SXRD RP and the Hitachi 55" HDT with motorized stand for about same price (about $600 below today's MSRP). Both looked very nicve but the SXRD had better blacks and reds. The Hitachi had a slightly "hazy" appearence that took away from the sharpness. I bought the SXRD which will be delivered tommoror. Hopefully i made the right choice but time will tell.

Hi ssantia,

thanks for the explanation although I still don't understand it :)

let us know what you come up with eventually. good luck.

I finally got to try the values you provided. Unfortunately it didn't help. The problem seems to be with the RGB menu selection. It seems that if you press Select while on the RGB option it resets the Brightness. As I mentioned previously, as it stands right now if I press and hold Select while on RGB, it resets the brightness to a normal value but it does not retains the setting.

Does anybody know how to work the RGB choice? Has anybody seen instructions for this menu?

Sam

Hi ssantia,

In my case, I don't select the RGB, I go right away to the other selections whose values I have given you. I believe you change the values by pressing the left and right arrow keys.

If I press select and the right arrow key nothing happens. I could not duplicate your experience. Strange huh?

im new so first off thanks for having such an awesome forum. I was wondering if theres a link to some good tweaks of the settings (contrast, tint, etc) for a hitachi plasma 42hds52a that i picked up 2 days ago and LOVE! i set the contrast and brightness down but am wondering if theres a good thread or web page w/ some preferred settings that will reduce the chance of burnin , extend the TV life, and still look amazing? I currently have the settings all around 30-45% and the picture looks good but im sure that someone may have some better info. Also, I was getting image retention when i had the settings on 40-50% and when i took it to 30-45% it went away... I played with some settings but couldnt narrow it down to a particular reason (the contrast was always on normal and not dynamic). Has anyone had a similar issue? Is this normal and should i even be concerned considering that the image retention wasnt permanant only from channel to channel (irritating to me but not permanent)??? WIERD. please help

thanks in advance...
eddy

what about changing from hd to digital channel i herd the tv will not remember it ask you things about the set up every time you swith from hd to other channels ??please help iam getting ready to buy this or the panny edtvt-42pd50u

what about changing from hd to digital channel i herd the tv will not remember it ask you things about the set up every time you swith from hd to other channels ??please help iam getting ready to buy this or the panny edtvt-42pd50u
Mine has never "asked" anything once I got it setup. The only setting I ever change between HD and other channels is the aspect ratio. It's a really smart set and does things in a very friendly way!

My 55HDT52 arrived on Saturday morning and I am set-up and connected to comcast HD using HDMI. I am in awe. No matter what kind of crappy programing is on, as long as its in HD, I could sit and stare at it all day and have a jolly good time. The picture is incredible- the sharpness and clarity are amazing and I'm having no glare troubles even though it is in a bright room. I'm glad I went with the HDT-- the blacks seem perfectly fine and no glare issues. It is possible that someone who is a real expert on plasmas might see a difference against an HDX, but for anyone who is upgrading from a 28inch standard def set to an HD plasma of this size isn't going to care about slight differences.

How do you like SD on the set? You feel the black levels and glare are OK? What's your window situation? It was pretty bright here on the East Coast, so the glare on my tube set was pretty bad until after 6:00. Still looking at the Hds/Hdx. Can't find the HT around here.

How do you like SD on the set? You feel the black levels and glare are OK? What's your window situation? It was pretty bright here on the East Coast, so the glare on my tube set was pretty bad until after 6:00. Still looking at the Hds/Hdx. Can't find the HT around here.
The SD looks very good. When I shopped in the store, I thought the SD looked poor on th fujitsui and panasonic plasmas, but the Hitachi is quite good in my opinion. If you play around with the aspect ratios options, you can usually find something that looks fine.

I'm not comparing black levels side by side, but they look very good to me. The HDT has a black-level enhancer option in the video settings that works well.

We watched the super bowl beginning at 3pm in California yesterday with direct sunlight coming through 3 bay windows at the side of the room, and I didn't notice any problems with glare.

I think I let myself obsess uneccesarily about black levels, glare and picture quality after reading all the debates amoungst the enthusiasts on this site about the various plasmas. Don't get me wrong-- I'm thoroughly appreciative of all the input / advice I picked up from AVSforum, but keep in mind you are chating with the top 5% of enthusiasts with very sophisticated tastes. We had two families over this weekend to watch movies/super bowl and they were all dumbstruck at how good the picture was. Unless you are a movie director or have time to be anal about marginal differences in PQ, just go with what looks good to you at the store and the pricing you get relative to the features at the dealers you are workign with.

The SD looks very good. When I shopped in the store, I thought the SD looked poor on th fujitsui and panasonic plasmas, but the Hitachi is quite good in my opinion. If you play around with the aspect ratios options, you can usually find something that looks fine.

I'm not comparing black levels side by side, but they look very good to me. The HDT has a black-level enhancer option in the video settings that works well.

We watched the super bowl beginning at 3pm in California yesterday with direct sunlight coming through 3 bay windows at the side of the room, and I didn't notice any problems with glare.

I think I let myself obsess uneccesarily about black levels, glare and picture quality after reading all the debates amoungst the enthusiasts on this site about the various plasmas. Don't get me wrong-- I'm thoroughly appreciative of all the input / advice I picked up from AVSforum, but keep in mind you are chating with the top 5% of enthusiasts with very sophisticated tastes. We had two families over this weekend to watch movies/super bowl and they were all dumbstruck at how good the picture was. Unless you are a movie director or have time to be anal about marginal differences in PQ, just go with what looks good to you at the store and the pricing you get relative to the features at the dealers you are workign with.

very well put aside from the 5% of enthusiasts talk...maybe 1% are true enthusiasts with qualified knowledge, while the rest of us really cant make any conclusions from what we see in a store display. Making a decision based on a trip to Best buy or some other B&M shop has too many variables that you cant control or even know about.

very well put aside from the 5% of enthusiasts talk...maybe 1% are true enthusiasts with qualified knowledge, while the rest of us really cant make any conclusions from what we see in a store display. Making a decision based on a trip to Best buy or some other B&M shop has too many variables that you cant control or even know about.
I think the right way to pick a new HD set is as follows: (1) decide on what form factor you want (projection vs. flat), (2) estimate your budget, and (3) identify the top 2-3 manufactures of those types of sets (this is where AVS comes in REALLY handy) based on PQ, features, quality etc... Then, go look at those sets at several stores, consider the pricing/deals and buy the biggest one that meets the three criteria. What I'm saying is, for 95% people the difference between the black levels on a pioneer vs. a panasonic vs. a hitachi are not going to matter. The quality of all these sets is very high.

And, I think there are a lot of very knowledgable people on this site (more than 1%!) and it is fantastic that they share their insights on products. I was much more knowledgeable about my purchase than I would have been otherwise.

well put sir ! too much worrying, not enough enjoying !

I'm not trying to scare any future Hitachi Plasma owners, but I have been less than pleased with my 2 month old 42HDF52. It was a replacement for my less than a year old 46" Sony RPTV(can't remember exact model).

My gripes about the Hitachi well it had a bad tuner(been replaced) to start with. Instead of a repair I tried shooting for a refund or have the entire set replaced. But the execs at Hitachi and the manager at the store I purchased it at wouldn't allow it. And appeartly "lemon laws" don't cover consumer electronics...atleast Widscreen TVs anyway.

Finally a TV that works...or so I thought..

It now suffers from Image Burn. The tech that replaced the tuner(in-home repair) thought that the Brightness/Contrast settings I was using were "too low"(set to THX Optimizer) and thought if I kept it that low the screen would be damaged. So I agreed... And he sets them to (Brightness 50/Contrast 85), which from what I understand is too high.

Is there any DIY options for reversing image-burn, or am I forever doomed for watching DVD's with station logos?

I just pickup the 42HDS52A from CC, but I suspect that is a return item, cause when I open the box, everything looks not as neat as a brand new item, there is no protective tape/film on the glass/speaker, the remote control is not wrapped properly, the power cord is not clustered nicely as I would expect for a new TV power cord. Could some one tell me how a brand new Hitachi Plasma is like, is there any easy way to identify whether I am getting a brand new item.

By the way, the TV looks great except that the fan is a little noisy, but just a little, and when you watch the regular TV, it is unnoticeable. The screen is a little bit more reflective than other set, but it is also to that bad.

any word on the 1080p's?

I'm not trying to scare any future Hitachi Plasma owners, but I have been less than pleased with my 2 month old 42HDF52. It was a replacement for my less than a year old 46" Sony RPTV(can't remember exact model).

My gripes about the Hitachi well it had a bad tuner(been replaced) to start with. Instead of a repair I tried shooting for a refund or have the entire set replaced. But the execs at Hitachi and the manager at the store I purchased it at wouldn't allow it. And appeartly "lemon laws" don't cover consumer electronics...atleast Widscreen TVs anyway.

Finally a TV that works...or so I thought..

It now suffers from Image Burn. The tech that replaced the tuner(in-home repair) thought that the Brightness/Contrast settings I was using were "too low"(set to THX Optimizer) and thought if I kept it that low the screen would be damaged. So I agreed... And he sets them to (Brightness 50/Contrast 85), which from what I understand is too high.

Is there any DIY options for reversing image-burn, or am I forever doomed for watching DVD's with station logos?

are you using component cable or an HDMI to DVI adapter for your DVD player?

Ok, sorry for the late reply but I finally got my SXRD last saturday. I'm not an expert so I won't go into technical details, and my english is not very good so I'll do my best.

: )

You made very valid points and I can confirm the same experience in a different way - The Panny PX500 was reflective a hell and it's SD could not touch the Hitachi as it uses virtual 1080P II on the panel I believe. I had to sell the plasma because of the reflections and sun impact washing out the panel. I think the Director series Hitachi has anti-reflective panels but at a price premium.

I also owned the 60" SXRD and can concur with your evaluation. SD at 60" gave me headaches whereas HD display was amazing. This is a set for dedicating to 1080i and 1080P in the future. SD = Hell and HD = Heaven on the SXRD. Wife hated the form factor but I would consider a 70" dedicated to HD on the next tweaked generation set.

I went with a smaller 45" Sharp FP which is amazing set but cannot make up for the impact of a 60+" panel. The Sharp is a little better with SD "Turdvision" but you certainly don't buy these sets to view SD. I'd get the 57/65" Sharp's but you need a mortgage for now anyways, but i expect that to change in a year or so.

Anyone here ever see the Directors Series Hitachi and whether it truly blocks reflections? The next generation Panny is supposed to be anti-reflective. :D

I just pickup the 42HDS52A from CC, but I suspect that is a return item, cause when I open the box, everything looks not as neat as a brand new item, there is no protective tape/film on the glass/speaker, the remote control is not wrapped properly, the power cord is not clustered nicely as I would expect for a new TV power cord. Could some one tell me how a brand new Hitachi Plasma is like, is there any easy way to identify whether I am getting a brand new item.

By the way, the TV looks great except that the fan is a little noisy, but just a little, and when you watch the regular TV, it is unnoticeable. The screen is a little bit more reflective than other set, but it is also to that bad.

Sounds previously openned.

Sounds previously openned.
Thanks for the reply, Rstr.

Do you own a Hitachi set? if you do, could you tell me whether there is some plastic tape/film on the screen glass/side speaker (for scratch protection) comes with a new set?

Thanks a lot.

Thanks for the reply, Rstr.

Do you own a Hitachi set? if you do, could you tell me whether there is some plastic tape/film on the screen glass/side speaker (for scratch protection) comes with a new set?

Thanks a lot.

Yes my 42HDS52A from CC had all the above.

Long time lurker, first time poster. I just bought a Hitachi 55HDT52. Here are my thoughts.

I initially purchased the Panny TH50PX50U from CC. A nice tv, but too small. After owning it for a couple of weeks, I just took it back and got the 55HDT52 from Video Only for only a few hundred dollars more. (I was stuck having to get the power swivel for it as well.) Since 50 inches was too small and 60 inches too expensive (plasma, anyways), I settled on the Hitachi since the extra 5 inches was a nice compromise. As for which model to get, that's where this forum became invaluable.

CC had the 55HDS model. Too expensive. A full $1000 more than Video Only's 55HDT. Magnolia HiFi had the 55HDX for $1500 more than Video Only. I also seriously considered the Sony 60 inch SXRD, but I couldn't get past the shiny, glittering screen. Too distracting. (And fear of the dreaded green/purple blob owners have reported.)

So, having had the 55HDT in my possession for a day now, and having compared it to the Panny I just owned, here are my findings after having calibrated the set with DVE: The Panny definitely had better blacks. The best the Hitachi can do is an inky, dark grey. I can live with it, but it could be better. (Mind you, I'm running Brightness and Contrast in the neighborhood of 30-35% for the 100 hour break-in period.) I tried using the tv's black enhancement feature, but I found it to be of little help. If anything, it just seemed to crush blacks, causing people wearing dark suits to blend in with dark surroundings. In all other aspects (color reproduction, sharpness, viewing SD and HD material, etc.,) the Hitachi is comparable, if not exceeds, the Panny. The Hitachi has many more inputs, better sound through its speakers, and I definitely prefer the way it stretches 4:3 material to fill the screen. Something about the way the Panny did it just made it look awkward. The Hitachi is more pleasing in this respect, as well as having the ability to stretch Hi-Def 4:3 material to fill the screen. (I was never able to get the Panny to do this, as I loathed having black bars on the sides of the screen for fear of uneven aging in the screen.) The only other drawback, if it can be called that, is the sound of the fan when the unit is off. I can't detect it at all when the tv is on, even at a low volume. Long after the tv has been turned off and cooled, I can still hear it running.

So, there you have it. Just one newbie's opinion on this fine tv. I don't regret having gotten it at all. The extra 5 inches is nice, but I lost a little black level in getting it. Trade-offs.

Papshmear

I am considering buying a Plasma TV for my office. Will watch mostly SD channels, Mainly WB, Kcal 9, and Speedchannel. Would like to know how the 42HDS52 compares to the Panasonic TH42PX50u in SD and DVD.

Also what is the difference between the 42HDS52 and the 42HDT52? Any picture quality difference, or is it just features?

Thank You for your help.

Long time lurker, first time poster. I just bought a Hitachi 55HDT52. Here are my thoughts.

I initially purchased the Panny TH50PX50U from CC. A nice tv, but too small. After owning it for a couple of weeks, I just took it back and got the 55HDT52 from Video Only for only a few hundred dollars more. (I was stuck having to get the power swivel for it as well.) Since 50 inches was too small and 60 inches too expensive (plasma, anyways), I settled on the Hitachi since the extra 5 inches was a nice compromise. As for which model to get, that's where this forum became invaluable.

CC had the 55HDS model. Too expensive. A full $1000 more than Video Only's 55HDT. Magnolia HiFi had the 55HDX for $1500 more than Video Only. I also seriously considered the Sony 60 inch SXRD, but I couldn't get past the shiny, glittering screen. Too distracting. (And fear of the dreaded green/purple blob owners have reported.)

I think that you and I are leading parallel lives.... (although with your user name I'm guessing that the analogy only goes so far.) I would have bought the 50inch panny but my wife said "it's too small" when I took her to the dealer to look(gotta love that). I also compared to the 60inch SXRD. Couldn't agree more about the extra five inches. I guess I'm not enough of a conniseur to notice the black level difference. I also bought at Video Only and tried to negotiate with Magnolia on the HDX and wound up with the exact same price difference. Spooky. The HDT is a swingin' deal.

Long time lurker, first time poster. I just bought a Hitachi 55HDT52. Here are my thoughts.
only other drawback, if it can be called that, is the sound of the fan when the unit is off. I can't detect it at all when the tv is on, even at a low volume. Long after the tv has been turned off and cooled, I can still hear it running.
Papshmear


Turn off the "TV guide" on the HDT's and turn off the "Quick Start Up" on HDS's. The fan will turn off. I think having these settings turned on keeps the tuners activated and the fan runs to make sure thay are kept cool. I have the HDS model and it takes 5 - 10 seconds to get a picture with quick start up off but the fan is too noisy in the bed room at night.

Hi all,

I received the software update from Hitachi today. For those who have already updated, have you seen any other issues that weren't there before the update? I know a little while ago mgholami indicated a problem with whites now.

I own the 55HDS52 (and we love it!) and plan on updating later tonight.

Thanks,
Ron

Has anyone upgraded firmware for 42HDT52A?

It looks like only the 55 models have an upgrade?

Ive owned the 55hdt52 for 3 months now. I love it. If your buying this set to view all types of signals (480, 720), and everyday viewing, this set is not for you. But if you just want to watch hd programing , there is nothing better. I have directv for my source and I my dvd uses a hdmi output. What sucks about this set is the remote!!! You have to be right in front of the set. Ive noticed the flicker that everyone is talking about and I hope to resolve that through the upgrade software, but its not that big of a deal. I would not trade this in for anything else. Except a bigger screen. :)

I am planning to buy a 42HDT52. I would like to connect its 'optical audio out' to the sole digital input of my old Bose home theater. Now, some plasmas (like Pioneer) are not designed to give out a digital audio out, when the input is HDMI. Does anybody think 42HDT52 has such a handicap? Somebody must have tried this... :confused:

Well, I got my 42HDT52A a few days ago, and the answer to my own question is that, yes, you CAN get a digital out, when the input is HDMI. I am very excited. :D Also, the TV looks awsome (January 2006 production)--no flicker, no buzz or hum, no image retention (50% contrast and brightness).

I just wonder why the last 3 Audio menu items are faded--unavailable (Language, Digital Output, DRC) even though the TV is connected to a receiver with a Dolby Digital decoder. Does anybody have the same issue?

I just wonder why the last 3 Audio menu items are faded--unavailable (Language, Digital Output, DRC) even though the TV is connected to a receiver with a Dolby Digital decoder. Does anybody have the same issue?

Same here.

They are not greyed out if you are on Cable or Air input.

Well, I got my 42HDT52A a few days ago, and the answer to my own question is that, yes, you CAN get a digital out, when the input is HDMI. I am very excited. :D Also, the TV looks awsome (January 2006 production)--no flicker, no buzz or hum, no image retention (50% contrast and brightness).

I just wonder why the last 3 Audio menu items are faded--unavailable (Language, Digital Output, DRC) even though the TV is connected to a receiver with a Dolby Digital decoder. Does anybody have the same issue?

Can you confirm what your firmware version is on this January 2006 unit?

They are not greyed out if you are on Cable or Air input.

I am on cable, including a few HD channels.

Can you confirm what your firmware version is on this January 2006 unit?

Where do I find it?

Go to "Setup" then "Upgrade"

"The Panny definitely had better blacks. The best the Hitachi can do is an inky, dark grey."

That is a real deal breaker for me :(

"Black" is in the eyes of the beholder, I guess.

I for one really like how the Hitachi 42HDT52A renders the whole picture including blacks. Having said that, I wish I'd see a professionally-calibrated Panny, Pio and Hitachi, to make my assessment as to which of these really is the "best" to my eyes. One thing I know, though my Hitachi does not render black "inky gray" and I only calibrated it using DVE and Spyder TV.

So I don't have an intelligent opinion about the Panny and Pio because all I saw was what was in the showroom.

Has anyone upgraded firmware for 42HDT52A?

It looks like only the 55 models have an upgrade?

Anyone? Anyone? I'd buy another if the black level problem was fixed....

Just a comment about the remote...

I had the same first impression that others have recently mentioned about having to point the remote precisely to make it work.

When I first got the TV, my temporary seating arrangement was close to the TV (I'm guessing 8ft away). I was a little bummed with the remote because I felt that I needed to be a 'sharp shooter' just to change the volume.

But with our seating rearranged, I'm back around 15-18 feet away now and the remote works great. So I guess the problem is that the IR "cone" is too narrow for convenient close-range usage?? Anyone have a better explanation for this? Is this something that could be tweaked?

Again, this is a non-issue for me but I could see how it would be aggrivating for someone with closer seating.

cooley

Quote:
Originally Posted by SARHENTO
Has anyone upgraded firmware for 42HDT52A?
It looks like only the 55 models have an upgrade?



No upgrades for the 42's according to Hitachi. They offered up a different service tech to come out and take a look at it. He hasn't come out yet, but I'm not expecting much to come from this. I think I just have to cross my fingers that they are working on a fix for it.

I'm past the point of No Return, (30 Days) so I'm keeping the set. The black flicker still bugs me, but I have been able to minimize as much as possible. It's still quite obvious in the darker movies though.

Can you confirm what your firmware version is on this January 2006 unit?

<Main V0101.0002>

Also, the TV looks awsome (January 2006 production)--no flicker, no buzz or hum, no image retention (50% contrast and brightness).


how can you find out the production date?

how can you find out the production date?

Printed on a label at the back of the tv.

i called hitachi last week for an update for my 42hds52 and they sent me the v0110.002 firmware upgrade. the blacks are deeper in my opinion, but last nite the panel started buzzing real loud! hope i don't need a service call......

Printed on a label at the back of the tv.


How can that be a production date? For them to manufacture your set, distribute the thing to your dealer, AND you get it home... I wonder if the date on the label might be a ship from distribution date??

How do you install the firmware udate? Alos, how do you find out which verison you have?

Thanks

<Main V0101.0002>

This is the same firmware number that mine got with Dec. 2005 build date.

This is the same firmware number that mine got with Dec. 2005 build date.
Me too. Still have the flicker, still haven't called on it. Anyone had any luck with the 42s, or is Hitachi still claiming there's no problem??

I have no flicker on my 42hds52A v0110.002 firmware.

I have no flicker on my 42hds52A v0110.002 firmware.
but it looks like you have newer firmware - 0110.002 rather than 0101.0002. So how does one go about getting that if the company doesn't acknowledge it?

but it looks like you have newer firmware - 0110.002 rather than 0101.0002. So how does one go about getting that if the company doesn't acknowledge it?

I have no flicker with V0101.0002.

How can that be a production date? For them to manufacture your set, distribute the thing to your dealer, AND you get it home... I wonder if the date on the label might be a ship from distribution date??

It is printed (not stamped) on the same label as the model and serial numbers. It says
MANUFACTURED: January 2006

Besides the TV Guide IPG and the firewire port, are there any other differences between the 42HDT52 & the 42HDS52? Also, any recommendations of 'fair & honest' online retailers? (I'm sceptical of the lowball prices I've seen out of some of the NYC retailers).

Does anyoe have issues with IR Blaster distance on other devices? The remote works fine for function on the Hitachi TV itself but distance problems for other devices connected via the blaster (Cable Box, DVD, and Reciever). Can someone please let me know so I can determine if this is just my television or a known issue for all. I have the 42HDT52.

Has anyone on the forum had this problem?

I have no flicker with V0101.0002.

Ditto here.

Hello all,

As I had a bad experience with the black level retention, and got tired of waiting, I picked up an HP LC3700N.

What a difference.

The blacks are deep, dark, and stable. The picture and colours are fantastic. Sharp and bright with no false contouring whatsoever. I cannot recommend this set highly enough.

Anyone sitting on the fence with the 42hdt52 and doesn't mind giving up a few inches in panel size, give the HP lcd a try. I don't regret it one bit and I can finally enjoy the image instead of worrying about the black flickering or side bars burning in.

That's right, no need to zoom into 2.85 material either. It's also less expensive.

Love it.


LCD is nice to watch home and garden TV or something of the sort but not so nice for sports.

being a football junkie, i'll pass on LCD, thanks anyway. :)

somebody please help me, my eyes are going buggy after 20 some odd pages.

does the 42HDF52 have this "flickering" problem or any other problems i should be aware of?

i found one at "the brick" here in toronto for $3,000 and it sounds too good to be true.

thanks, joe.

LCD is nice to watch home and garden TV or something of the sort but not so nice for sports.

being a football junkie, i'll pass on LCD, thanks anyway. :)

Hey Joe,

There's no motion blur to speak of, check it out the lcd.

The price you mention (we're not supposed to mention prices on this forum) is not a deal for the HDF as it's extremely bare bones, you should be able to get an HDT (as I did) for just a couple hundred more than an HDF, and the HDT is absolutely the most feature rich panel out there.

Ok ya'll, I just ordered a 42HDT52. I am extremely happy with my 55HDT51, so I decided after much debate and shopping around, that I'd stay with Hitachi for the bedroom's TV as well. I hope I'm as happy with it as I am with my 55" set.

Mark

Hey Joe,

There's no motion blur to speak of, check it out the lcd.

The price you mention (we're not supposed to mention prices on this forum) is not a deal for the HDF as it's extremely bare bones, you should be able to get an HDT (as I did) for just a couple hundred more than an HDF, and the HDT is absolutely the most feature rich panel out there.

thanks miccos, i'll go with the HDT then.

so i just make sure it's a newer model then, one that has the letter "A" at the end of the model number?

anyone had this flicker problem with the HDS24 ?

flicker problem with HDS42 models ?

thanks miccos, i'll go with the HDT then.

so i just make sure it's a newer model then, one that has the letter "A" at the end of the model number?


Joe,

I returned both the HDTs I had as the black level retention, or "flicker" was absolutely unbearable in dark scenes, so I'm on the fence with these units until there's a fix.

It appears as though different people have different experiences, I don't think there's a rule that applies to the 42s. There is a fix for the 55s but I've heard nothing on the 42s.

Ok ya'll, I just ordered a 42HDT52. I am extremely happy with my 55HDT51, so I decided after much debate and shopping around, that I'd stay with Hitachi for the bedroom's TV as well. I hope I'm as happy with it as I am with my 55" set.

Mark

You will be happy with 42HDT52A.

Joe,

I returned both the HDTs I had as the black level retention, or "flicker" was absolutely unbearable in dark scenes, so I'm on the fence with these units until there's a fix.

It appears as though different people have different experiences, I don't think there's a rule that applies to the 42s. There is a fix for the 55s but I've heard nothing on the 42s.

wow, i'm really confused now. :confused:

thanks for the info, miccos, i really appreciate it.

I have read this entire post......

I was trying to gain more information on the audio synch issue some have posted about.

I purchased the Hitachi 42HDS52A 3 days ago. I am in the process of adding Comcast HDTV capabilities next week.

For now I use a Terk Antenna mounted to my satellite dish to receive OTA HDTV signals in the Chicagoland area. I can receive all the networks fine (78 signal strength on average) but I do experience the audio to video synch issue, which is annoying. I can also receive Directv (non HDTV).

I did some comparing of stations this morning and noticed that the only time I see this problem is with stations sending out signals in 1080i format. 480i, 720p, etc. do not cause this problem. I can switch from the Digital station to the non digital station and the synch issue disappears also.

I am only using my TV speakers at the moment. If I find that this is due to the TV and not the local transmission I will return this set.

Is anyone in the Chicago area that can receive CBS, NBC or any 1080i signal without this synch issue?

I do not experience any flicker problem and other than synch issue I love the TV.

My firmware BTW is V0100.0003 - Build date December 2005

I have read this entire post......

I was trying to gain more information on the audio synch issue some have posted about.

I purchased the Hitachi 42HDS52A 3 days ago. I am in the process of adding Comcast HDTV capabilities next week.

For now I use a Terk Antenna mounted to my satellite dish to receive OTA HDTV signals in the Chicagoland area. I can receive all the networks fine (78 signal strength on average) but I do experience the audio to video synch issue, which is annoying. I can also receive Directv (non HDTV).

I did some comparing of stations this morning and noticed that the only time I see this problem is with stations sending out signals in 1080i format. 480i, 720p, etc. do not cause this problem. I can switch from the Digital station to the non digital station and the synch issue disappears also.

I am only using my TV speakers at the moment. If I find that this is due to the TV and not the local transmission I will return this set.

Is anyone in the Chicago area that can receive CBS, NBC or any 1080i signal without this synch issue?

I do not experience any flicker problem and other than synch issue I love the TV.

My firmware BTW is V0100.0003 - Build date December 2005

I have the HDS42, no flicker problem, but on the hi-def stations the audio will sometimes be choppy or out of sync and the picture will have a few of those digital squares fade in and out of parts of the picture. It does not exhibit this problem all the time, but frequently. When I change to the SD channel (same station) the problemis not there. I am thinking it is cable signal strength or quality. I have cox cable, and use the cable card. I hope its not the TV, I really like this set - except for this problem. I have not yet called the cable company.

any clues would be appreciated?

I have read this entire post......

I was trying to gain more information on the audio synch issue some have posted about.

I purchased the Hitachi 42HDS52A 3 days ago. I am in the process of adding Comcast HDTV capabilities next week.

For now I use a Terk Antenna mounted to my satellite dish to receive OTA HDTV signals in the Chicagoland area. I can receive all the networks fine (78 signal strength on average) but I do experience the audio to video synch issue, which is annoying. I can also receive Directv (non HDTV).

I did some comparing of stations this morning and noticed that the only time I see this problem is with stations sending out signals in 1080i format. 480i, 720p, etc. do not cause this problem. I can switch from the Digital station to the non digital station and the synch issue disappears also.

I am only using my TV speakers at the moment. If I find that this is due to the TV and not the local transmission I will return this set.

Is anyone in the Chicago area that can receive CBS, NBC or any 1080i signal without this synch issue?

I do not experience any flicker problem and other than synch issue I love the TV.

My firmware BTW is V0100.0003 - Build date December 2005

hibusa, make sure you disable the 3:2 pulldown mode, or movie mode, that may help you.

I have no flicker on my 42hds52A v0110.002 firmware.

I have the same model 42HDS52A but have software version V0100.0003 and DO have the black "flicker" problem that has been reported on the 55 model. I thought that since you have the A model you would have a different version of those who have the 42HDS52. But you are saying you have the same version on a different model?

I called Hitachi and they offered to send a tech out, but dont think that will help. :mad:

They said I have the latest software version and that there are no updates as of yet.

Just got the 42HDS52A at cc and have been testing it this weekend. Thanks to all the posters of this thread for all the help they provided. They certainly made my purchase decision easier, and all their research and tips will certainly help me enjoy the unit much more.

Now on to the problem. I have a H20 (DirecTV HD receiver) attached via HDMI as Input 1. Just a few mintues ago, I turned the unit on and the picture and sound came on, then suddenly the sound went out.

I changed input to "Input 4" a DVD player (which was off) and then back to "Input 1" and the sound returned. The sound is also lost when I go to Setup and then Exit. Is this problem with my unit or is this how the Hitachi works.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Just got the 42HDS52A at cc and have been testing it this weekend. Thanks to all the posters of this thread for all the help they provided. They certainly made my purchase decision easier, and all their research and tips will certainly help me enjoy the unit much more.

Now on to the problem. I have a H20 (DirecTV HD receiver) attached via HDMI as Input 1. Just a few mintues ago, I turned the unit on and the picture and sound came on, then suddenly the sound went out.

I changed input to "Input 4" a DVD player (which was off) and then back to "Input 1" and the sound returned. The sound is also lost when I go to Setup and then Exit. Is this problem with my unit or is this how the Hitachi works.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks.

Nothing like this in my 42HDT52A with cable SD or HD or DVD.

pliny - i do not have anything like that happening with my 42HDS52A

Drewdown - The software you have is correct. The other one referenced is not for our set I do not believe - -"v0110.002 firmware" I would like that poster to confirm it again. (cnynctry)

I was trying to gain more information on the audio synch issue some have posted about.

I purchased the Hitachi 42HDS52A 3 days ago. I am in the process of adding Comcast HDTV capabilities next week.

For now I use a Terk Antenna mounted to my satellite dish to receive OTA HDTV signals in the Chicagoland area. I can receive all the networks fine (78 signal strength on average) but I do experience the audio to video synch issue, which is annoying. I can also receive Directv (non HDTV).

I did some comparing of stations this morning and noticed that the only time I see this problem is with stations sending out signals in 1080i format. 480i, 720p, etc. do not cause this problem. I can switch from the Digital station to the non digital station and the synch issue disappears also.

I am only using my TV speakers at the moment. If I find that this is due to the TV and not the local transmission I will return this set.

Is anyone in the Chicago area that can receive CBS, NBC or any 1080i signal without this synch issue?


I am not using over the air and also I'm not from the home of 'Da Bears' but I do have Comcast Digital/High Def and have my 42HDS52A plugged in as follows.

I do most of my watching from my series 2 Tivo (SD recording of HD channels is pretty damned good). I have svideo from my Motarola STB --> Tivo --> Receiver --> Plasma.

When I want to see something in HD I switch over to a direct feed from my STB (component for now) --> Plasma; audio 5.1 or not (via optical) STB --> Receiver.

If I want to watch a show while Tivo is recording another, I switch over to my direct cable input, on board audio.

I mention all this because I have not encountered an audio sync problem coming from Comcast's STB or direct cable.

I did notice some interesting issues with NBC's HD feed and audio sync. I ran across this (http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4371) researching what HD support NBC was throwing at the Olympics. It seems that the affiliates are responsible for ensuring that the audio and video are sync'd. What I noticed was that many times the video portion of the show would start but the audio would come in late but it would always be in sync when it started.

Last night I had to switch between HD and direct cable (to Tivo wife's Desp. HWs). The NBC HD feed in coming in at 1080i.

One of the first HD shows I watched when I got my set was the US Open. I find now that when I have time to watch sports I only want to watch it in HD. The Mens Downhill HD coverage was great but the Snowbording sucked.

I've had my 42HDS52A set up for about 5 days now and I am having some major issues with Video/Audio Sync. I can't watch a show like that, it's unbearable. I've noticed it on BOTH 1080i AND 720p feeds. I've read through much of this thread, but haven't found anyone with a solution. I'm planning on contacting both CC and Hitachi about it, but I want to be "armed" with the best info so I can counter any of their claims that it's my fault or the station feed. Could it be the station feed? If so, other HDTV models with built in tuners would suffer from this too, and I haven't heard much about it. I am receiving the signals strictly over-the-air direct to the built in tuner. This is the LAST place I figured I'd experience this kind of issue.

Anyway, I think my firmware is version V0100.0003 and from what I've read, this is the latest for this model. If anyone has anymore info, I'd greatly appreciate it. This is the only problem I experience, no flicker and nice deep blacks. If the audio problem can't be fixed though, the set will go back.

Thanks for everyone's input and help!!

OK....read all the posts on this thread...FINALLY. Anyway I took back my 42s52 to go for more screen and pick up a new Panny 50" at CC as they tell me they can't get the 55"? Someone had sold the Panny that was held for me, so as of now I have nothing. But I have convinced myself I need the Hitachi 55". Did love that picture on the 42" anyway. They have offered me a 1/K discount on the Panny for my trouble....but.... Anyone care to PM me some purchase prices on the HD S/T 55"so I know how low they go? Thanks.

I did run across this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=509495&highlight=audio+sync) in the 'HDTV Programming' forum.

OK....read all the posts on this thread...FINALLY. Anyway I took back my 42s52 to go for more screen and pick up a new Panny 50" at CC as they tell me they can't get the 55"? Someone had sold the Panny that was held for me, so as of now I have nothing. But I have convinced myself I need the Hitachi 55". Did love that picture on the 42" anyway. They have offered me a 1/K discount on the Panny for my trouble....but.... Anyone care to PM me some purchase prices on the HD S/T 55"so I know how low they go? Thanks.

The 55HDT52 in my opinion is the best deal going in plasma right now. The extra five inches makes a big difference over the 50inch panasonic and the picture quality is just as good if not better in some ways. (The 55HDX62 features don't make up for the price premium and the 55HDS52 is only avail at circuit city and their price is too high.) If you are in WA, you may be able to buy from Video Only, which is where I bought my 55HDT52 in the SF Bay Area-- the price was great. If you do a price scan on froogle, that should give you an idea of what you can do price wise at a discount retail store, although Video Only's price was even better than internet. You could search on the Hitachi Website for that specific model and it will tell you who is carrying it.

For what it is worth I spoke with hitachi about the sync issue and in short they said that it is caused by the source most of the time.

The ticket is still open and we agreed to wait until Wednesday, which is the date I will have HD feed from Comcast for comparison.

1. I still find it strange that when the TV's tuner is active - "OTA" signal I have the problem. It is up to the NTSC tuner to translate the signal, not comcast, tuner box, or satellite receiver. This makes me wonder about the tuner.....

2. I also think it is weird that when I use the monitor output to feed a Sony receiver, the sound from the TV and the sound from the Sony do not match. One is always ahead of the other. The Sony receiver is just a fairly low cost one, which I use the AUX in. I have done this before on my old set for added sound with no problem. I will be connecting a Surround system to this system soon using the optical out and I hope I do not have an issue. This happens on all signals regardless of whether they are HDTV or not.

3. I swear that the video is AHEAD of the audio signal, not behind, but it is really hard to tell. It looks like I am watching an old dubbed Kung Fu flick:)

BTW- Hitachi did confirm that firmware version 0100.003 is the most current for the 42HDS52A.

Thanks bobharp and hibusa.

So I guess I have to assume that it's not the TV and it's tuner, but the signal source (local affiliate etc.). I wish I could know for sure before my 30 day return period is up. I'm absolutely happy with every other aspect of the TV though...

hibusa, did Hitachi say anything about an update coming for other issues (flicker etc.)? Just wondering if the others on this thread will have their issues resolved...

BTW- Hitachi did confirm that firmware version 0100.003 is the most current for the 42HDS52A.

Whoa wait a second, 0100.003 !?

Those who have flicker please upgrade to this version, perhaps it fixes it!

My neighbor across the street has exactly the same OTA sync issues on the same channels on his Samsung DLP as I do on my HDT52. It is only an issue for me if I'm Tivoing something and want to watch a different HD channel...

miccos

When I spoke with Hitachi one of the first things he wanted to do after describing the problem was insure I had the most current firmware, which he said is v0100.0003 for the 42HDS52A.

I have no flicker problem that I have noticed, but maybe I have not watched the right scenes, /shrug. I have watched dark movies and plenty of black back ground scenes and never noticed anything but nice dark black.

As a matter of fact when I went to purchase my plasma I fully expected to purchase a Panasonic, but the Hitachi blew me away with a combination of features and picture quality.

Best Buy also will carry Hitachi now. I was looking at surround sound systems at their Magnolia show room and the sales person said that the sets were in the building and would be on display soon. The sales person commented on the quality of the Hitachi plasma picture, and especially liked the Director's series.

Well I think I cursed myself by posting on here and complaining about the audio/video sync issue. While I was watching the olympics last night, my 42HDS52A made a click noise, then all of a sudden only half of the lines of resolution were being displayed (every other one). Plus there was a band across the middle of the screen that muddied up the picture in that area. I've only had the thing for 6 days, so needless to say, it's going back.

That said, I'm really worried about replacing it with the same model. I need a flat panel for my room setup and this was the set I was really sold on with the picture quality, asthetics, features and inputs, and the price all of that came at. Do the other users of this model on this forum have enough confidence that their set will hold up for years to come, or are you seriously worried about the life of your TV? I really want THIS model, but not if on the inside, it is just a piece of junk. Please help!!

Other models considered: Panasonic TH-42PX50U, Samsung LN-R408D (LCD), any other suggestions? I watch sports a lot, so I stayed away from the LCD, would it be that big of a deal?

Whoa wait a second, 0100.003 !?

Those who have flicker please upgrade to this version, perhaps it fixes it!

Like it has been said before, 0100.0003 is the latest version for the 42HDS52A. Which I have, and which I get the 'flicker' problem in DARK scense. And I mean night scenes where the majority of the screen is black or nearly black.

I still may return it, although the swivel base is primo. :(

siddavis,

Every channel & input displayed this anomaly?

Yes, I tried everything: changed channels, powered off and on, played dvd through HDMI input. This thing is hosed. I wouldn't even call it an anomaly, I would call it junk. I mean, it looks really REALLY bad.

This is upsetting. We purchased our 55HDX62 from magnolia about 5 days ago, Been doing all the "proper" breakin procedures (settings below 50, etc). Set my aspect setting on my Denon 1920 from 4:3 to 16:9. And was very happy with it. We've been watching a mix of DVD's from Animation (Nemo, Matagasgar, etc) to Regular Movies. All performed well, I didn't notice any banding, flicker etc (black were a little on the gray side but totally acceptable to me).... till last night. We put in the DVD "Flight (Jody Foster)" and there were a lot of dark scenes. I started to see the flicker everyone was talking about. It wasn't a lot so I didn't say anything to my wife to see if she noticed it while we were watching....Then she finally said "why is it doing that"?, I said doing what? "keeps looking like it goes dark to light rapidly.

Argh!! :(

I'm going to call Hitachi this morning once I've confirmed my Firmware Version. And if they say we don't know anything about it or try to blame the signal input without giving me a fix.. back it goes for the Pioneer Elite 50. I don't want to do this sinc I enjoy the 55 size, e I really like the design and finish of the Hitachi. I can deal with the "not so dark blacks" but if my wife can notice the flicker, (and she's not perceptive to little details like i am), then back it goes.

I really hope they can fix this.
So here I go....

So disheartening. Got off the phone with Hitachi again and they say they can only schedule a service call and that the problem they have been seeing is only with the 55" models. Told me nothing would happen overnight, so I told "I dont want to get stuck with a busted TV waiting on you to fix it."

Back to CC this TV goes. :mad:

I haven't noticed the "flicker" that others have noticed. I'm curious, I'm thinking of renting that Jodie Foster DVD and see if my set "flickers".

My set is a 42HDT52A.

I dont even watch DVD's on it, its with any DARK scene. I was wating "without a paddle" and the scene where its raining and they are in the underwear trying to keep warm is when it happened.

Just got off the phone with CC. They were exteremely cool about it and offered right away to send out a new unit and said I could get another model if I wanted. I'm set up for Friday, so I'll be able to report more then.

In the meantime, I'm gonna look into other displays. Anyone know anything about the cheaper Pioneers? Like say, the ones at Costco? I feel this way because I'm the type of person that says burn me once, shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me.

And I thought 5 months of research would've covered it and given me piece of mind...

My 42HDS52 had none of the flicker issues. In fact I thought the blacks were very good.

Motovet,

Do you have a 52 or 52a? I have a 52 purchased 9/05. I have not noticed the flicker. I'm not using my HMDI inputs yet.

Got off the phone with Hitachi, my firmware v. on my 55HDX62 is V0101.001
They'll be shipping out the latest firmware to me overnight, she didn't give me the number but she said is was just approved for release, so I'm expecting it to be the .003 version. I hope this fixes it. I really like this 55".
~staytuned

Got off the phone with Hitachi, my firmware v. on my 55HDX62 is V0101.001
They'll be shipping out the latest firmware to me overnight, she didn't give me the number but she said is was just approved for release, so I'm expecting it to be the .003 version. I hope this fixes it. I really like this 55".
~staytuned

Thanks for this info as I am really close to purchasing one of these. I also am looking into the 58" Panasonic that, so far, I have seen nothing official about yet.
Any other input on this unit would be appreciated.

:)

I just purcased this display last week and have been pleased with all the features and PQ. Blacks are fine. Minimal flicker. 3-dimensional HD as close to my XBR CRT as I've seen. Had a 50" Samsung that we HAD to return. Hyped up neon colors, crappy looking 480p DVD's and the venerable CLAY FACE!! This display definitely beats the Sammy hands down in all aspects. Even SD on the Hitachi if bearable. FYI, I did have a problem the first few days of owning the Hitachi, it emitted a VERY noticable buzz (not from the speakers) at almost all volume levels. It nearly made us return it. But, yesterday, it just went away...completely. Very silent now. Has anyone else run into that? I know all plasmas emit some buzz, but this was unacceptable. Thankfully, it's gone now. Also, I am noticing some slight black flicker in dark scenes. This seems to be a common problem on the 55" and not on the 42". Maybe I need to uprade my firmware? How do I find out what version I have, and does Hitachi charge for the latest version?

As a side note, I wanted the Panasonic HD plasma, but BB couldn't even come close to competing with the AMAZING deal I got at a smaller shop. Sometimes I don't understand BB. They know the 60u's are coming out soon, why aren't they flexible with this 'old' model. I tried to deal at 6 different locations too! Oh well, they lost my business.

Thanks to all!

[QUOTE=bobharp]Motovet,

Do you have a 52 or 52a? I have a 52 purchased 9/05. I have not noticed the flicker. I'm not using my HMDI inputs yet.[/QUOTE

It WAS the 52....I returned it and am waiting on the 55". Must go bigger.....

Got off the phone with Hitachi, my firmware v. on my 55HDX62 is V0101.001
They'll be shipping out the latest firmware to me overnight, she didn't give me the number but she said is was just approved for release, so I'm expecting it to be the .003 version. I hope this fixes it. I really like this 55".
~staytuned

I have the 42hdx62 and my firmware version is :V0112.0002

No flicker on my set at all....great t.v.

I own the 42HDS52A and I have watched Flight Plan and noticed no flicker that I recall, and by the sounds of the problem I would have noticed it.

I have all LOTR DVD's so if anyone knows a specific scene that causes it for them I can check with that, otherwise I would have to say that I do not have this issue.

I connected my Denon AVR 1706 receiver along with a 6 speaker Definitive speaker package last night using the optical out. WEll .. :D WOW - It is so sweet to be able to use one optical out from the set and not use a million cables. I love the connectivity - I use a HDMI out for my DVD and Cable box, (arriving today), optical from my DVD to the receiver and optical from the TV to the receiver..that's it.

I am gonna hang in there with the Hitachi for now. I have a 3 year extended warranty through CC, and I was thinking about what I would replace this with and still get the connectivity and features for this price. Not much out there unless I put out some more cash.

Maybe if my set was rendered useless I would change my mind :(

Anyway, here is the e-mail response I got from Hitachi about the sync. I also think there customer service has been very good so far, in terms of responsiveness.


Dear Robert,


Thank you for visiting the Hitachi website and for your inquiry.



Unfortunately, the sound being out of sync is a limitation of currant technology. The reason for the lag in sound is that the sound is added in after the video is recorded. This causes some lag that becomes more evident on HD channels do to the clearer, sharper, image. And, over time, this problem becomes more evident as the delay increases from one show to the next.



The way to tell that it is not the TV causing it is to try non HD channels and non digital signals. If the sound is in sync with non HD or non digital then the TV is working fine.



If you have any further questions about any Hitachi product, please call our technical assistance number at 1-800-HITACHI. Please reference your e-mail address when you call in as a customer service file has been created based upon your e-mail contact. Again, thank you for your interest in Hitachi.



Ben

Hitachi Home Electronics

Just a thought for those who are debating keeping or returning.

Plasma TV's / electronics continue to advance. They are still relatively new though and I believe all Models can have problems, and most occur early on.

From the Panasonic forums: Not always greener on the other side

Thought I'd post this here first. I have a new Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK, just received within the last several days. Last night, while changing channels, the display suddenly shut down. I haven't been able to turn it on since. The red standby light is blinking, but the display does not respond to the remote. When I power down then up using the display hard button, the green light comes on for a moment, and a fan begins to whir, at which point the display shuts down again. A Panasonic service tech said that this is likely a defective power supply. Thankfully, DTVCity will be replacing the defective unit at no charge.

Anyone else encountered this problem with the newer displays? I'm worried I'll get another dud.

Someone here mentioned that Best Buy will be carrying the Hitachi plasmas. Will this include the Director's Series too? When is this slated to happen? You could be saving me a 90 in drive -

Thanks!

I'll try this again, how do you identify what firmware version you have? I have a 55HDS52. And how do you install the firmware should you need a later release?

Thanks

UF22,

I have the 55HDS52 as well and have noticed the flicker. I just called Hitachi and they told me they needed my 'firmware' model #. They told me to go to menu, setup, upgrade to find the firmware #. Once I tell them the # they will send an update card. He said you place the update card on the back of the TV and it updates.

LaCosaNostra,

Thanks for the help, let me know what your firmware # is and what the upgrade # is.

Thanks for your help.

hibusa,

One thing about the response from Hitachi -- If you changed to SD television, technically you would be using a completely separate tuner (ATSC vs NTSC). Therefore, if it were a problem with the HD tuner, this would prove nothing because you wouldn't be challenging that specific piece of hardware. Also, the whole "more evident on HD channels do to the clearer, sharper, image" explanation is completely bogus due to my experience where the audio is off by full seconds (ie I would notice this with a crappy image as well). Although it sounds like they are nice in responding, it seems they are sidestepping the issue. If it's a problem at the station, then I buy that, but that's not what he was saying.

I agree with you about the relatively "new" technology theory, I just hate being the guinea pig, even with 7th and 8th generation displays.

One more thing -- Couldn't you just run HDMI from your DVD player to the TV, optical out from the TV to your receiver, and lose the optical cable from your DVD player? That would save you one more cable/expense. I haven't had a chance to test this yet and don't want to add another audio lag issue, but i'm going to try it when I get my new 42HDS52A delivered on Friday. I'll let you know if you don't get to it first.

I really think this sync issue is from the source, or I'm hoping. Last night I even got it pretty bad on the bedroom CRT Mits through DTV. It was the worst I'd seen on a non HD feed for a while.

I really think this sync issue is from the source, or I'm hoping. Last night I even got it pretty bad on the bedroom CRT Mits through DTV. It was the worst I'd seen on a non HD feed for a while.

I agree with you, the source is the culprit. The same HD station behaves the same way - sync problem in two seprate TV and receiver sets. This is my intermittent experience.

Does anyoe have issues with IR Blaster distance on other devices? The remote works fine for function on the Hitachi TV itself but distance problems for other devices connected via the blaster (Cable Box, DVD, and Reciever). Can someone please let me know so I can determine if this is just my television or a known issue for all. I have the 42HDT52.

Has anyone on the forum had this problem or is it my TV?

pliny - i do not have anything like that happening with my 42HDS52A

Drewdown - The software you have is correct. The other one referenced is not for our set I do not believe - -"v0110.002 firmware" I would like that poster to confirm it again. (cnynctry)


Mine is v0101.002. I just transposed numbers. Sorry for the confusion.

LaCosaNostra,

Thanks for the help, let me know what your firmware # is and what the upgrade # is.

Thanks for your help.

UF22, LaCosaNostra,

I also own an 55HDS52 and noticed a slight flicker during certain dark scenes. This wasn't too bothersome but I decided to contact Hitachi about it and they sent me the upgrade (v0102.0001). I upgraded it last weekend and any flicker issue it had went away and the upgrade hasn't caused any other problems either.

The upgrade is simple and instructions are provided.

This is a fantastic Plasma and the Hitachi customer service has been excellent.

Good luck,
Ron

So, I found my firmware version for my 42HDT42A. It's: V0101.0002

Does anyone know if this is the most current version available for this model? Also, does Hitachi charge a fee for firmware upgrades?

Thanks!

So, I found my firmware version for my 42HDT42A. It's: V0101.0002

Does anyone know if this is the most current version available for this model? Also, does Hitachi charge a fee for firmware upgrades?

Thanks!

That's the most current version for 42HDT52A. No, I don't think Hitachi charges for firmware upgrade.

I just hooked up my 6412 HD cable box via HDMI to my 42HDS52A. It was hooked up via component to the tv and coax to my receiver. The DD 5.1 from the HDMI source does not pass thru the TV optical out to my receiver. Audio passes through, but is not DD at all. Is this a copyright feature of the TV or is it due to the cable box? Is anyone seeing DD 5.1 pass through the TV from an HDMI device?

I just hooked up my 6412 HD cable box via HDMI to my 42HDS52A. It was hooked up via component to the tv and coax to my receiver. The DD 5.1 from the HDMI source does not pass thru the TV optical out to my receiver. Audio passes through, but is not DD at all. Is this a copyright feature of the TV or is it due to the cable box? Is anyone seeing DD 5.1 pass through the TV from an HDMI device?

Hi doc,

I have a similar setup, and was having quite a bit of problems with the DD output from the 6412. I found information on another forum (dedicated to the 6412 I believe) that the DCT6412 had a rather annoying bug that it would not output DD5.1 properly when the HDMI cable was plugged in. Even if you didn't have your HDMI connected to anything and used the component + coax, it would be flaky. Sometimes you would get 5.1, and sometimes not. Plugging in only component + coax worked fine. So don't fret, it isn't a problem with the TV, but with the 6412.

However there is light at the end of the tunnel, as my provider (shaw cable in vancouver) just rolled through firmware updates that seem to fix the problem completely. Hopefully your provider will update the box soon too and you won't have to worry about it anymore!

Hope that helps..

priznat - I just put in the 6412 cable box from Comcast and will check for the bug you mentiond since I am using a HDMI connection from the box to the TV and the optical from the TV to the receiver. How do you check the firmware in the 6412?


I do not see any sync problem now that the cable is connected.

Siddavis - I completely agree with your statements about the TV tuner versus the cable tuner relating to the sync. At this point I will rarely ever use the OTA signal anyway, but maybe I will reconnect it and do a comparison between the two.

Maybe the cable company is correcting the sync on their end.. I don't know.

For now - all is well and I have a prsitine picture and no sync problems have been noticed after one night of watching.

Hitachi says that the optical out is only in Dolby Digital when using the OTA tuner or cable card. Any other time it will put out PCM audio. That is the reason why.

Bleh

I now will have to try using the HDMI in from the box with a coaxial audio out to the receiver. I am liking this less and less now though.

Hitachi says that the optical out is only in Dolby Digital when using the OTA tuner or cable card. Any other time it will put out PCM audio. That is the reason why.

Bleh

I now will have to try using the HDMI in from the box with a coaxial audio out to the receiver. I am liking this less and less now though.


Thanks for the information. That is an unfortunate "feature". I'll go back to the coax from the STB and have to change inputs on the receiver everytime I switch video sources if I want DD5.1. It could have beeen so simple. The DD5.1 is in the TV and gets squashed.

I just connected the SPDIF optical out from my comcast DCT6412 III cable box to my Denon receiver, and all dolby digital signals are recognized so far. The HDMI is still connected between the cable box and TV.

I could also have used the coaxial digital out, but I had an optical cable laying around.

just pulled the trigger on the 42HDF52 gets delivered tuesday look amazing in the store floor so i can only imagine how it will look in my rec room

Hi All! My first post. After researching like mad the past month I finally brought home my new Plasma. The decision came down to size and price, and I ended up with the Hitachi 55HDX62.

I looked at all the regular places and spent a ton of time at Anderson's Big Screen (local in the Bay Area I believe) but I ended up at Magnolia in San Ramon.

I'll admit I was torn and I suppose I still am. I think the Elite has better PQ, but Pioneer just doesn't stack up in the size department. The price on the Elite has been dropping like a rock since the beginning of the year, but the Hitachi has fallen as well.

I'm still concerned about the dreaded "flicker" and I really don't want to spend much time and effort upgrading software on a brand new piece of equipment.

I'm still three weeks out on the install (the wife wanted custom cabinets) so you'll have to wait to get any meaningful info out of me. I've got my fingers crossed that I made the right move!

Thanks for the information. That is an unfortunate "feature". I'll go back to the coax from the STB and have to change inputs on the receiver everytime I switch video sources if I want DD5.1. It could have beeen so simple. The DD5.1 is in the TV and gets squashed.

I feel your pain. Although I did not know that the Optical out would not pass 5.1 audio from my STB (Thanks HIBUSA/Robert), I have all my video and audio outputs passing from my STB to my receiver or TIVO. I do have a splitter in my cable going right to my plasma. I use a Harmony 676 to make sense of it all. It was fairly easy to set up, and wife proof.

Good luck!

I just had the new 42HDS52A delivered this morning and although I only had a little while to play with it (before I went to work), I did notice that the fan and a little buzz were SLIGHTLY louder than the other one it replaced. Not a big deal though. Anyway, the audio/video sync deal is still apparent, so I don't know how to feel about that. I guess I'll have to hound the local affiliate TV stations here to get their crap together.

My firmware version is still V0100.0003. Anyway, I'll get to play with it more this weekend and hopefully I'll have nothing but good to report.

Last evening my HDTV setup was stripped and partly reboxed. Everything is going back: Hitachi 42HDS52A, HD-20 Satellite Receiver, audio receiver and speakers. Unfortunately this technology is not yet ready for prime time.

All I experienced was a succession of problems, a few were solved, but most still remain. Watching anything required changing setting on three devices: the Hitachi, HD-20 and audio receiver; or the Hitachi, DVD play and audio receiver. I had to have three remotes at the ready before any program could be viewed properly.

As an example, the previous posts noted a problem with the Hitachi not passing DD via the optical audio output when using the HDMI connection. So you have to change inputs on the receiver, or use component connections instead of HDMI!

Depending on the age of a DVD, setting had to be changed on the DVD player and HDTV, or both. The same was true for the audio stream. SD and HD broadcasts via satellite had different formats, and even HD broadcasts (especially the news and prime time shows) constantly changed picture aspects and resolution.

For the first time in several weeks I was able to sleep peacefully not having to worry about what I bought and why it was not working together.

Perhaps in three to five years the situation will improve, but for now it is simply not worth the trouble or expense! For now, I'm back to my CRT TV and peace of mind.

Got off the phone with Hitachi, my firmware v. on my 55HDX62 is V0101.001
They'll be shipping out the latest firmware to me overnight, she didn't give me the number but she said is was just approved for release, so I'm expecting it to be the .003 version. I hope this fixes it. I really like this 55".
~staytuned

*Update*
Just recieved the FW upgrade for my 55HDX62 with version: V0102.0002
Played "Flight Plan", and didn't notice the flicker anymore. I'll play more dark scenes DVD's over this nice 3day weekend to see if it's totally gone. But as it looks, I think we'll be keeping her. :) :) ...now time to work on routing the cables and wires into the wall.

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL387/495463/9254872/129709960.jpg

Not everyone is ready for the technology change, but the pro's still out weigh the con's for flat panel / wide screens IMO. Reasearch before you purchase can save anyone from allot of the pitfalls you mention.
Good luck with the money you saved:)

All I experienced was a succession of problems, a few were solved, but most still remain. Watching anything required changing setting on three devices: the Hitachi, HD-20 and audio receiver; or the Hitachi, DVD play and audio receiver. I had to have three remotes at the ready before any program could be viewed properly.

I can use my Denon, Hitachi or Comcast remote to control any of the components I have. This means one remote will do 95% of what I need, but you need to spend the time to program them. In addition, Hitachi has the A/V net which allows you to point only at the TV when controlling two other devices (i.e. DVD and Cable box) with IR blasters connected.

As an example, the previous posts noted a problem with the Hitachi not passing DD via the optical audio output when using the HDMI connection. So you have to change inputs on the receiver, or use component connections instead of HDMI!

Yes it's too bad the Hitachi optical out is only useful for OTA or cable card use, but most people that purchase a plasma TV would have Cable or Satellite that have other connectivity options to get you through this.

I still use my two HDMI inputs for video signals (DVD / cable box), but was forced to use an optical from my DVD player and cable box directly to my receiver. I knew of this possibility while doing my research on puchasing a HDTV so not too big of deal.

Pressing the TV or DVD input button is the extent of my changes when switching between the two sources going to my audio receiver.

Depending on the age of a DVD, setting had to be changed on the DVD player and HDTV, or both. The same was true for the audio stream. SD and HD broadcasts via satellite had different formats, and even HD broadcasts (especially the news and prime time shows) constantly changed picture aspects and resolution.

Most are aware of this when they purchase. Audio receivers with Auto switching to recognize the different formats is the best way to go. The sound will automatically adjust depending on the incoming signal.

Aspect ratio is part of deal for now for "wide screen HDTV", eventually most programs will convert to optimizing at 16:9. Shows like the Sopranos, The West Wing, and the Olympics, etc. all optimize for this now and you probably notice it when watching on standard 4:3.

This was the biggest consideration for me when looking at the wide screen technology. I watch mostly DVD's , movies and sports so I can live with the network programs for now. If I only watched face the nation and network news I would not purchase a wide screen tv.

The large screen clear graphics combined with my home theater sound for movies and sports were the primary drivers for my purchase. To a lesser extent the thin panel size also was key.

At least you were able to check it out with only the loss of your time.

D2X, Great setup, your place looks nice. The flat panel helps keep everything clean which I'm sure the lady appreciates.

I'm curious how you have your panel mounted on the wall? I don't have mine on a wall yet, but will and I want it to be as close as possible. I don't want there to be a huge gap between the wall and the back of the display. Does anyone here recommend a particular mount that is quite slim? I might want to have it tilt a little too which I know adds some depth, but might sacrifice this for the flushness. Thanks to anyone who can help...

D2X, Great setup, your place looks nice. The flat panel helps keep everything clean which I'm sure the lady appreciates.

I'm curious how you have your panel mounted on the wall? I don't have mine on a wall yet, but will and I want it to be as close as possible. I don't want there to be a huge gap between the wall and the back of the display. Does anyone here recommend a particular mount that is quite slim? I might want to have it tilt a little too which I know adds some depth, but might sacrifice this for the flushness. Thanks to anyone who can help...

I have my 42 mounted with a Sanus tilt mount and the total depth from wall to front of screen is about 5 inches. From viewing side, you don't even notice it. I have mine mounted over a dresser in the bedroom and it basically looks like a nice piece of art hanging on the wall (with fantastic moving images!)

The tilt was worth having as the viewing angle (lying in bed looking slightly up) was too low for a simple flat mount . Plus it helps to be able to tilt the display up to access the I/O as I add or change components. Don't have to unmount the thing from the wall to switch cabling, just tilt and reach...

Until yesterday I was determined that I was going to buy a 50" NEC plasma, but now I am not sure I should just get the 55" Hitachi. Any advice would be helpful.

D2X, Great setup, your place looks nice. The flat panel helps keep everything clean which I'm sure the lady appreciates.

I'm curious how you have your panel mounted on the wall? I don't have mine on a wall yet, but will and I want it to be as close as possible. I don't want there to be a huge gap between the wall and the back of the display. Does anyone here recommend a particular mount that is quite slim? I might want to have it tilt a little too which I know adds some depth, but might sacrifice this for the flushness. Thanks to anyone who can help...

SidDavis
I have the same mount as Dogday. Sanus Tilt. I opt for this instead of the flatmount since it was only 60buck more, and also it is proving to be a wise investment since I've going behind the tv for access to the cables...I'm glad I didn't get the flatmount for this purpose alone. I think I only sacrificed 2inches. (flat = 3" vs. tilt=5") ...someone please correct me if i'm wrong. either way, the TV does not bulge out like I initially feared and still looks sorta streamlined...I know I know, that black cable is killing me too :o

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL387/495463/9254872/129709959.jpg

SidDavis
I have the same mount as Dogday. Sanus Tilt. I opt for this instead of the flatmount since it was only 60buck more, and also it is proving to be a wise investment since I've going behind the tv for access to the cables...I'm glad I didn't get the flatmount for this purpose alone. I think I only sacrificed 2inches. (flat = 3" vs. tilt=5") ...someone please correct me if i'm wrong. either way, the TV does not bulge out like I initially feared and still looks sorta streamlined...I know I know, that black cable is killing me too :o

http://pic11.picturetrail.com/VOL387/495463/9254872/129709959.jpg

Thanks for the mount tip. Good to know and I will be getting a tilt mount also ;)

Ahhh crap. I've owned this set (42HDT52A) for two weeks now and have been very happy. But now I'm noticing the 'flicker issue'. Its VERY apparent and irritating in scenes that are predominately dark. What the heck?? I never had any problems like this with my CRT XBR. What's the deal with plasma? it seems there's one issue after another. I'm just glad I got an incredible deal on this set. Does anyone know a fix for this? A new set or a firmware upgrade? My version is V0101.0002. It seems people are sayiing Hitachi is very customer friendly. I sure hope there's a fix for this. Any advice would be helpful. FYI, I was looking for this known issue from the start but didn't notice til today. I had the same problem with a 50" Samsung Plasma that I returned, and I thought I was past it. Very frustrating. It seems like this technology hasn't evolved enough for me yet. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all!

DX2: why don't you make a hole in the wall behind the screen, another one behind your stand and run the cable(s) inside the wall?

by the way, i'd like to thank you too on the tilt mount advice. ;)

i've decided to go with the panasonic TH-50PHD8UK (http://www.avdeals.ca/panasonicplasma/th50phd8uk.htm) display. i save a bushel of cash by not paying for speakers and a tuner, since i'll be using a home theatre audio system with satellite receivers.

i don't know why i didn't do this in the past but i'll never buy a "TV" again.

this display is a commercial unit with approximately 60,000 hours of "panel life" and is rated #1 by consumer reports.

Ahhh crap. I've owned this set (42HDT52A) for two weeks now and have been very happy. But now I'm noticing the 'flicker issue'. Its VERY apparent and irritating in scenes that are predominately dark. What the heck?? I never had any problems like this with my CRT XBR. What's the deal with plasma? it seems there's one issue after another. I'm just glad I got an incredible deal on this set. Does anyone know a fix for this? A new set or a firmware upgrade? My version is V0101.0002. It seems people are sayiing Hitachi is very customer friendly. I sure hope there's a fix for this. Any advice would be helpful. FYI, I was looking for this known issue from the start but didn't notice til today. I had the same problem with a 50" Samsung Plasma that I returned, and I thought I was past it. Very frustrating. It seems like this technology hasn't evolved enough for me yet. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all!
Casual73 I've had mine almost a week and have the same problem. Going to take it back and get my money back. FWIW my firmware version is V0100.0003,and from what I reading on here that it's the latest version.I'll have to stick with my 960 xbr for now.

Ahhh crap. I've owned this set (42HDT52A) for two weeks now and have been very happy. But now I'm noticing the 'flicker issue'. Its VERY apparent and irritating in scenes that are predominately dark. What the heck?? I never had any problems like this with my CRT XBR. What's the deal with plasma? it seems there's one issue after another. I'm just glad I got an incredible deal on this set. Does anyone know a fix for this? A new set or a firmware upgrade? My version is V0101.0002. It seems people are sayiing Hitachi is very customer friendly. I sure hope there's a fix for this. Any advice would be helpful. FYI, I was looking for this known issue from the start but didn't notice til today. I had the same problem with a 50" Samsung Plasma that I returned, and I thought I was past it. Very frustrating. It seems like this technology hasn't evolved enough for me yet. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to all!

As I have exactly the same model as you do, I am very interested in your comment. I believe you are the first 42HDT52A owner who reported the "flicker" issue. So far I have not seen it in my unit and I have it for two months now.

Keep us posted.

My second 42HDS52 display arrived Friday. This one was also manufactured January 2006 (just like the old one), and has firmware V0100.0003. I fired it up, and immediately, I noticed that the black levels were not as deep as the first unit. It was apparent enough for me to notice without pushing it with dark scenes etc. Since much of the discussion on this board is about the "flicker" issue, I thought I'd test this unit out.

The movie I chose was We Were Soldiers, which by the way is a great flick. I watched this movie with a friend the night that I got my first unit and noticed NO flickering or anything even close. In fact, the display outperformed my expectations with the low light scenes. With the new unit, I went straight to scenes that I knew were pretty dark and right away, the flickering kicked in. This just added to my disappointment with my replacement so far. Later, I asked my girlfriend to watch the same scenes and tell me if she noticed anything without telling her what to look for. She said she could see it going from light to dark over and over. She is by far the least critical viewer I know, so right then I knew it would be a problem. Next I tried different styles of movies (Shrek 2...). All made the flickering problem apparent in the darker scenes. (Note: I'm using an upconverting DVD player with an HDMI cable)

Later, I was watching olympic hocky in HD via the built in ATSC tuner. Based on how much of the white rink was on the screen, the screen would lighten and darken the REST of the screen too. I switched to CBS college basketball in HD and saw the same effect depending on how many players in white uniforms were on the screen for closer up shots. All of this with good lighting, not just low light scenes in movies.

Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm going to do about it. I'm very weary with the randomness of problems with the Hitachi line. Nothing seems consistent with these displays and it makes me wonder about their reliability too. I started on my quest for my second choice, the Panasonic TH-42PX50U. Of course, nobody has it, and the few places that do are unwilling to deal because they know it will sell anyway. I got a really nice price for the Hitachi, so I'm in the mindset that I have to get my TV for that low price. I was really close to getting BB down to it, but in the end, they told me it didn't matter if I bought it, they would be able to sell it to someone else for more anyway.

My thinking as of now is to sit on this for another week or so (I have another 15 days to decide), then probably return it and wait till I can get a deal on the Panasonic, or wait till the new Panny models come out in stores. CC is not getting any more of the 50U's and they are anticipating the new ones in 1-3 months. I really love the design of the Hitachi, and the extra HDMI input, but I'm not going to sacrifice the picture quality or put up with annoyances for asthetics at this price for a TV. Anybody think I'm just too nitpicky? Also, one salesman is anticipating the new models to come out at a lower price than the current models to continue the trend of the past few years. Does anyone think this will be true? Sorry for the babbling...

siddavis,

Your unit is an HDS. Try exchanging it for an HDT and see if you still have the "flicker" issue. I have an HDT model and I don't have the problem.

If you know of a store that sells the HDT, perhaps you can bring your DVD and test it there if they have one in the showroom.

That sounds easy enough, but CC doesn't sell the HDT. I think it would be difficult for me to convince a different store to give me the same deal (price) for the HDT. Besides that, I'm begining to become skeptical of the Hitachi brand for plasmas as it doesn't seem that anyone gets consistent performance out of the same models. To me that screams red flag, when some people see similar problems, while others don't with all things being equal (model #, firmware version, etc.). That's just my gut feeling and 2 cents. I'm not saying you made a bad purchase or anything, I really just don't want to keep trying until I get one that works consistently like you already have. I'd just assume get the Panasonic that I'm fairly sure will be fine out of the box (knock on wood). I probably sound like my mind is already made up, but I'm actually very torn. If anyone could make the decision for me, I'd love it!!

As I have exactly the same model as you do, I am very interested in your comment. I believe you are the first 42HDT52A owner who reported the "flicker" issue. So far I have not seen it in my unit and I have it for two months now.

Keep us posted.


Read some of the posts from January and before. There were a few of us that have/had the 42HDT52A that have/had unresolved flicker issues.

No new firmware for the 42's according to Hitachi. Call their customer service and mention the problem. I would imagine that if they get enough complaints, they will realize that it's not an isolated problem, and issue a firmware upgrade.

Still waiting.........

Siddavis,

Like you I had the 42HDS52. It was purchased from cc with a January 2006 manufacturing date and had the latest firmware. Besides the flicker problem, the Hitachi would not work with the DirecTV H20 HD receiver via HDMI. If you selected this input, the sound would come on for about a second and then shut off. You got the picture but no sound.

Sometimes you could switch inputs and then go back to the H20 and get the sound, but more often you had to shut off the Hitachi and the H20 and turn them on separately and then select the input. After four to six attempts you would finally get the sound.

Calls to Hitachi and DirecTV achieved nothing. Each pointed the finger at the other yet I did find two references in other forums to this problem.

So the Hitachi had been packed up and is going back to cc tomorrow. I had it in operation less than five days before and experienced problem after problem, the flicker and H20 problem being the most severe.

siddavis:

whatever brand/set you end up, it might still be a good idea to test it at the store (assuming the store is accomodating). Make sure you have the DVD that gives you the flicker issue. Panasonics, I believe have a similar issue although it's called by a different term, I think they refer to it as 'black level shift".

em gee:

I must have missed your posts.

Did you return your Hitachi? What have you done to minimize the "flicker"?

When you receive the firmware upgrade, let us know.

I have found this forum very helpful and want to thank everyone for their sharing their experiences with others. After having read all the 30 pages or so over the past month I feel I should share my experiences with those that it might help. Since people tend to write about their problems a casual reader who has just spent a tremendous amount of money on a tv can begin to get paranoid that they have made a bad purchase.

Like others I researched my flat screen purchase for weeks (maybe months). First I narrowed it to a plasma. Then to a 42 inch (the 37 inch panasonic looked good to me and I was concerned the 42 would be too big in my living room). I went to all the stores since each store had different tv’s and varying qualities of watching environments. I liked the pioneer elite best but too expensive for me. Also liked the Hitachi 42hdt52a but it was $350 more than the best price I could find on a Panasonic 42px50u. the Hitachi had better resolution, purer colors, 2 hdmis, and much better sound. The Panasonic had better blacks, reputation for reliabilty and the best ratings from industry reviewers for value. The Hitachi had the negative of price due to its many features I didn’t really need (except the 2 hdmis). the Panasonic had the negatives of too much green tint, no aspect control with hdtv, only one hdmi, and cheap appearing cabinet finish. I bought the Panasonic on the basis of it being the best value however and got a very good price from hh gregg in early January 2006)(less than everyone is selling them now for). On my delivery day I was called and told that they had sold my Panasonic to someone else and I would have to wait for another shipment. They also offered me a deal if there was something else I wanted. They sold me the Hitachi 42hdt52a for the same price and delivered it the next day.

My experiences:

Have had ota or direct cable hdtv a/v sync issues. Since it was intermittent I think its from the broadcast source. If it was the tv tuner it would be all the time. Once I got my Comcast Motorola dct 6412 III the problem has disappeared. I always used a digital cable box before and plan on doing so in the future. Its connected via hdmi which improved the blacks and the clarity.

My picture looks great in hd and very good with sd. Blacks look black. No flicker. Screen glare is no worse than my old cathode tv. Tv built in sound is very good. I prefer to watch regular tv shows without the Harman kardon/tannoy system fired up. The wipe feature works great at removing any burn in from watching too much 4:3 programming. I’ve never heard the fan or any buzz noise. My tv has a December 2005 build date. Hitachi usa offers a 5 year warranty for around $350 which is a real deal and reduces any worries about future reliability.

i purchased a harmony remote since the hitachi remote would not control the harman kardon receiver. it was a good purchase.

In conclusion I think flat screen tv picture quality is like picking out good speakers in that it is a matter of personal taste. I’m happy with my purchase.

Great post, atlavfan. Enjoy your TV, it's a good choice.

I thought I'd share my experience with the HDT52 I bought back in September 2005. I bought it from a local retailer here in Calgary, Canada, who didn't have it in stock yet! Yes, it was that new at the time. I have been playing with it since, including calibration, changing DVD players etc. As SARHENTO sayd, no one with an 42HDT52 model didn't have the flicker issue so far untill casual73 reported it. A friend of mine bought the same TV yesterday and I set it up for him last night and again - no flicker so far. I don't think the issue is model related (HDS vs HDT for example) but it sure looks that way. Who knows?
I hope this post will help someone decide what TV they want to buy.

I've narrowed down my 42" new HD plasma to two: the Hitachi 42HDT52 or the Toshiba 42HPX95. I was pretty much settled on the Toshiba until I saw the Hitachi for the first time last week . Love the all-black design, but what really got my attention was the power-swivel :eek: . Sounds corny :rolleyes: , but I intend to put this TV on a stand in a corner beside our fireplace in the family room so I can see it getting tons of use with three different sitting areas we have, which leads me to a question: Can the power-swivel be operated by another remote besides the supplied Hitachi one? I have the Motorola 6412 PVR supplied by Shaw and it came with a universal remote and I'm wondering if this can be programmed to operate the power-swivel :confused: . Help me, please, before I make the leap!

I have been very lucky not to see the flicker, although it could be my low tech hookups.
siddavis,
Have you tried a non-upconverting DVD player? This whole HMDI/HDCP stuff if for the birds.

I watched a bit of Sin City on Showtime HD this weekend. I figured that that is as black as you can get. No flicker. I have been loving the Olympics in HD. Even Tivo has been doing an admirable job of recording the shows in HD. But alas I think my Tivo has a bad sector on its drive. Ordered 2 160GB drives for the replacement.

last cast,
With all that you have invested, a better universal remote (the 100 clam variety), like the one atlavfan mentioned, would ease your pain and make you much happier.

atlavfan,
What HK receiver do you have? Mine is a AVR 320.
Here are some shots:
TOP of RACK (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42655)
Bottom of Rack (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=42656)

last cast
i checked my comcast universal remote. it will not control the swivel. the left right arrows default to controling dvr functions even when set to tv. however my hitachi remote will do most of the 6412 functions and obviously the swivel. but i agree with bob harp that a good universal remote is well worth the money especially if you have a wife who doesn't want a bunch of remotes lying around.

bob harp
my harman hardon is the avr 335. i'm totally satsfied with it since it does music as well as it does movies. it replaced vintage top of the line pioneer seperates which i gave to my daughter for graduation. was like going from a 65 mustang to a 2006 mustang as far as convenience, but still miss the growl sometimes.

atlavfan,
My setup pushes whole house audio. I have l set of low end Polks for my 5.1 that I love. I still have so much work to do on my rack, wiring and mounting (speakers and display).

Well, after having 3 days (holiday weekend) to view many DVD's. The firmware upgrade Hitachi sent (V0102.0002) has seemed to fix the flicker on my 55HDX62. I picked up an AVIA calibrating DVD this weekend and did notice a bit more improvement on the already great PQ. :) I'm a happy camper and though I have a couple of weeks left If I decided to return it...It's staying home with me. I'm very happy with this unit.

Also to my surprise yesterday. Wife and I walked into BestBuy-MiniMagnolia and saw that the 55" Fujitsu they had on display was removed and replaced with a nice shiny new Hitachi 55HDX62.

casual73
Sorry to hear about the flicker on your new set. Was Hitachi able to isolate the problem and fix it with a FW upgrade? I hope so.

Joetoronto
lol, this is my next project to hide the wires/cables. ;)

Thanks everyone!

Thanks for all the responses about my flicker problem. I'll state it again, the weird part is, it's intermittent. Didn't have the issue originally and it comes and goes. Currently my set up is a Motorola/Comcast box using component out. I'm getting the DVR soon and that'll have HDMI out. Hopefully that'll help. I contacted Hitachi via email, but got a generic response saying to call them directly. So I will. I'll let everyone know how it turns out.

Hey, I noticed someone mention Hitachi USA offers an extended 5yr warranty for about $350. Where can you read about that? Can't find it on their website. I got a 3yr from the retailer I purchased the set through for about the same price. Sounds like I got ripped off. Crap.

casual73
when i did my online registration with hitachi usa it was one options of the process. there were several choices of extended warranties. all of which were reasonably priced. sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

bobharp and atlavfan ... appreciate your feedback and advice. I was in a local TV shop today and had the Hitachi 42HDT52 and Pioneer PDP4360HD side-by-side for comparison. The Hitachi had some noticeable fringing or ghosting on the outlines of people and/or text. The Pioneer was perfect in this respect, but I liked the colors better on the Hitachi. I didn't like the fringing, though. I realize the Pioneer is a bit more $$ but is the quality that much better than the Hitachi at this higher-end level of 42"/43" plasmas? Would this problem be solved by tweaking the settings on the Hitachi? Have you experienced this on your Hitachi?

last cast
like i said in my first post i thought the pioneer elite had the best overall picture (can't remember model number) but was out of my price range. i found store comparisons very difficult because of connections, lighting, tv settings etc. that's why i went to as many stores as i could to get an overall feel for the tv's. for my routine watching i have my settings backed off and have no jagged edges. i've never had shadows (sounds like the store signal) if you push the contrast, brightness, sharpness and black contol hard you can make the edges look jagged...but i think that is due to faulty adjustment not a fault of the tv. what i do is use the night setting (with everything backed off) for routine watching and the day setting (still backed off from factory settings but not as much) when i want to show off the tv or have a program to watch that justifies the wear and tear.

last cast,
I have pretty much left my set at the defaults. My Avia disk in still in it's wrap.
Like atlavfan I could not gain reliable info from in store viewing. I chose my Hitachi mostly because of the features and cost. I was really sure that I was going to buy Panasonic. I have a few Panasonic gadgets (DV cam, Lumix camera, telephones) around the house already and I really like them. My only beef against Panasonic is that when the mean consumer they really mean it. Their prices really can't be beat but you have to know what you are buying. For instance their DV cams and cameras have a fairly small CCD. In many situations it is not a problem but in low light it really sucks. I knew this before I purchased them. I may have a bad taste in my mouth towards Pioneer. I used to have a Pioneer Elite car radio that I installed that was anything but Elite. The features and flexibility of the Hitachi were just better. CC has a great return policy. Try the unit in your home, with your sources and your cabling. If you like it, don't look back.

Hi all - I'm having trouble finding ANY available 55HDT52's - can anyone tell me or PM where I can get one ASAP at a good price?

Muchas Gracias!

I have encountered this random flicker thing with my PD7800ta. No quality avr solved the problem. I also noticed this in store display plasmas. :confused:

I was able to trace it to the mains line. When I shifted it to a more AV dedicated mains line, the flicker went away.

Went to a Sony Store last night to buy an HC1.

I have been watching plasma for a while (2 months) so I thought of hanging around in the showroom and watch SXRD. SXRD looked great but I'm glad I bought into plasma. I still think plasma quality surpasses what I saw there.

By the way, is the HDC1 firewire compatible with Hitachi 42HDT52A? Has anyone have any experience?

I'm suffering from information overload, and I need help choosing between the following....

JVC LT40FH96 - 40" LCD OR Hitachi 42HDT52 - 42" Plasma.


Mostly watch soccer, football and movies, also PS-2 and PS-3, and little bit of computer gaming/internet. This will be my only TV and is really just for broad general use.

About 5-7 feet back in terms of viewing distance. In a living room that gets a fair amount of natural light, big floor to ceiling windows.

Will be mounted above a new construction gas fireplace.

Thoughts? Any comment is very much appreciated....
Thank you in advance.

I have a 42HDS52 (purchased last October) and for several months have experience audio sync and choppy video on HD channels. It is an intermittant problem, but seems to be occurring more frequently. I've posted this problem before, a few have responded that it is likely signal quality. I use a cable card, Cox is the cable provider. I called Cox and they sent someone out, he checked the line, said it was ok. Said it coulbe be the cable card or the TV. The problem does not happen on non-HD channels. The problem was not happening when he arrived, but sure enough it began to happen as he was flipping thru the HD channels. He said it may be the cable card, so he hooked up a cable box/reciever he had and the problem was not occuring. Switched back to cable card and problem occured again. He then put a new cable card in and the problem was not occuring while he was there, he stayed about 10 minutes and no problem. Well, later that night the problem showed up again. I called Cox again, they said they would "refresh" the signal, and if problem was still there they would schedule another visit with a technician. Has anyone else experienced problems when using a cable card? Any insights would be welcomed.

I have a 42HDS52 (purchased last October) and for several months have experience audio sync and choppy video on HD channels. It is an intermittant problem, but seems to be occurring more frequently. I've posted this problem before, a few have responded that it is likely signal quality. I use a cable card, Cox is the cable provider. I called Cox and they sent someone out, he checked the line, said it was ok. Said it coulbe be the cable card or the TV. The problem does not happen on non-HD channels. The problem was not happening when he arrived, but sure enough it began to happen as he was flipping thru the HD channels. He said it may be the cable card, so he hooked up a cable box/reciever he had and the problem was not occuring. Switched back to cable card and problem occured again. He then put a new cable card in and the problem was not occuring while he was there, he stayed about 10 minutes and no problem. Well, later that night the problem showed up again. I called Cox again, they said they would "refresh" the signal, and if problem was still there they would schedule another visit with a technician. Has anyone else experienced problems when using a cable card? Any insights would be welcomed.

It's absolutely, positively the signal. How do I know for sure?...

I just got digital cable and the box. I've had basic cable for years. I set up the box and watched a few live broadcasts several had sync issues. I've NEVER had sync issues with basic. (Sony XBR)
I haven't noticed it yet on the movies they offer or any taped broadcast , not to say its not there, I just haven't noticed it.

You could try another box maybe....

i first reported seeing the flicker effect on a 42HDT52A in mid december. at the time, i didn't put the A on the end of the model number because i didn't realize the A was listed on the box or that it was important. it was built in october '05.

the flicker was definitely reduced after i adjusted the video settings (contrast 43%, brightness 50%, black enhancement off, contrast mode normal), but it still happened on dark DVD scenes (Pioneer DV-578A, component out). i don't think i ever noticed it watching cable with the built-in tuner or ReplayTV (480p component out).

that set was stolen from my house (along with many other things) on 1/19/06. i never looked to see what the firmware revision was. i went back to the same Video Only store to put my name down for a replacement. they didn't have any in stock and were way backordered. i was finally able to pick up the new set last saturday (2/18/06). it is also a 42HDT52A, built Feb '06, firmware V0101.0002. i did notice that the burn-in warning was posted with the french side out, as someone else noticed.

i've noticed the flicker with the new set, too. it's moderately distracting at times, but i really like the set otherwise and i'm basically able to ignore the flicker. i'm hopeful there will be a firmware fix soon. i plan to contact hitachi customer service to register my thoughts on the matter.

the power swivel thing works fine with my philips PMDVR8 universal remote.

Thanks to everyone who participated in this thread - I spent several hours reading all of these comments before finalizing my plasma purchase decision on 42HDS52A at CC (October 2005 manufacture date, firmware V0100.0003 - no "flicker" as far as I can tell though I've only had it a week!). Overall I'm very happy with my purchase.

After running calibration with DVE using Sony SLV-D550P DVD on component inputs, I arrived at the following video settings (initially). I happened to be calibrating on a rainy day.

Contrast 35%
Brightness 56% (BUT I HAD TO DECREASE to 51% AS DISCUSSED BELOW)
Color 40%
Tint A little to the left of center
Sharpness 24%
Colortemp Standard (corresponding to 6500K)
Black Enhance Off
Contrast Mode Dynamic
Noise Reduction Off (Didn't seem to matter)

Note that I am a complete novice at calibration, but the above seemed to best achieve black level details on the pluge and grey scale ramp tests to my eyes. BTW on the pluge, I was only ever able to see the middle vertical bar (4% above black level). I also had to sacrifice some of the white levels to get better low end black levels.

My question/comment is: Above 51% brightness, there appears to be a green/red/blue "speckle" or noise of one pixel size in all black areas of the screen. It is uniformly distributed across the screen, and its density varies with the signal content as well as with the brightness setting as you increase above 51%. Lighter scenes show a reduced effect. It is noticable on any of the black bars, but especially on a totally black screen such as one in which the input signal is turned off at the source. This had a degrading effect on the PQ for both HDTV OTA signals and component inputs from the DVD player.

Is anyone else noticing this?? Any thoughts on why it is there and whether this is a known problem? Turning brightness down to 51% cured this. The out-of-the-box setting is 50%, perhaps for good reason.

i've noticed the flicker with the new set, too. it's moderately distracting at times, but i really like the set otherwise and i'm basically able to ignore the flicker. i'm hopeful there will be a firmware fix soon. i plan to contact hitachi customer service to register my thoughts on the matter.

the power swivel thing works fine with my philips PMDVR8 universal remote.

Do you have a dedicated AV circuit? My random flicker issue was resolved when I plugged the plasma to the dedicated circuit.

Problems with the remote on my 42HDS52A. Besides the having to have a perfect aim, I'm having some strange problems with the changing of channels and volume controls. Other parts of the remote work as expected, but I sometimes have to wait 5-10 min before the channel and volume wheels work normal. I can't change the channel or volume untill it warms up?? Pressing the wheels does the intended function. Wouldn't make sence that it the battery because all the other remote functions work OK. TV is only 5 weeks old and I know a universial remote might fix the problem but I shouldn't have to. I just wanted anyone elses input before I call Hitachi.

Problems with the remote on my 42HDS52A. Besides the having to have a perfect aim, I'm having some strange problems with the changing of channels and volume controls. Other parts of the remote work as expected, but I sometimes have to wait 5-10 min before the channel and volume wheels work normal. I can't change the channel or volume untill it warms up?? Pressing the wheels does the intended function. Wouldn't make sence that it the battery because all the other remote functions work OK. TV is only 5 weeks old and I know a universial remote might fix the problem but I shouldn't have to. I just wanted anyone elses input before I call Hitachi.

Change the batteries. The ones that come with the TV are garbage. Unbelievably that is the cause of your problems.

Rstr is right - the battery is the problem. Before I changed the original batteries that came with my TV, it was behaving very strangely. I changed the batteries and everything has been fine.

What an interesting thread... I must admit, there's a lot of info here that has gone way over my head. However, I'm down to the final four.

Panny TH-50PHD8UK (1 year warranty)
NEC 50XR5 (3 year warranty)
Pioneer Elite PRO 1130HD (2 year warranty
Hitachi 55HDX62 (2 year warranty)

What do you all think?

I like the good ratings on the Panny, love the warranty on the NEC, the Pioneer Elites have always been nice (pricey) with a good warranty and now Hitachi has a 55" Director's series model with a 2 year warranty with VirtualHD 1080p video processor for the price of a 50".

Decisions Decisions...

Thanks.

Scott

What an interesting thread... I must admit, there's a lot of info here that has gone way over my head. However, I'm down to the final four.

Panny TH-50PHD8UK (1 year warranty)
NEC 50XR5 (3 year warranty)
Pioneer Elite PRO 1130HD (2 year warranty
Hitachi 55HDX62 (2 year warranty)

What do you all think?

I like the good ratings on the Panny, love the warranty on the NEC, the Pioneer Elites have always been nice (pricey) with a good warranty and now Hitachi has a 55" Director's series model with a 2 year warranty with VirtualHD 1080p video processor for the price of a 50".

Decisions Decisions...

Thanks.

Scott

I don't know much about the NEC, but the other three consistently are considered as the top 50inch + units. Unless you are a real display tech enthusiast, you will be happy with any of them. I have a Hitachi 55HDT52 and I recommend it if you have a larger room-- the screen is 20% bigger and that makes a big difference. (But also see my next post on glare.) Otherwise, my advice is to find the dealers in your area that carry one or more of them and see where you can get the best deal. The picture differences are going to be minimal- so go for the best deal, get the thing home, and enjoy watching it!

After agonizing over whether to spend an extra $1,500 for the 55HDX62, I decided to go with the 55HDT52 which was delivered the day before the superbowl. I have been extremely happy with it with one exception. The picture quality is great, the sharpness is great, it is easy to use, the sound is quite good as well. My only issue is glare. For the first month, I didn't notice any problem, and I was viewing during reasonably bright conditions. But just this Wednesday at around 2:00 in the afternoon (the first time I've watched at that hour) the sun hitting the floor near the display caused a lot of glare. It is hard for me to imagine that there is a set made that wouldn't show glare (or wash-out in the case of a rear projection unit) given the amount of sun that was coming the room, but it made it very difficult to see the picture. I would look at swapping the HDT for an HDX but Video Only, where I bought the HDT doesn't carry the HDX, which makes this difficult.

Has anyone had the same experience and if so, did the HDX make a big difference in glare reduction?

...or perhaps I should just buy some blinds... :-)

Change the batteries. The ones that come with the TV are garbage. Unbelievably that is the cause of your problems.


You and SARHENTO were both correct.

Thanks Guys

Panny TH-50PHD8UK (1 year warranty)
NEC 50XR5 (3 year warranty)
Pioneer Elite PRO 1130HD (2 year warranty
Hitachi 55HDX62 (2 year warranty)

Scott,
From an ISF capabilities point of view I would rate those TV's as follows:

1. Pioneer Elite PRO 1130HD
NEC 50XR5
Hitachi 55HDX62
4. Panny TH-50PHD8UK

I don't know how much you like to tweak the picture adjustments, but the first three sets are better at this than the Panasonic (hence I put them all in first place:)) The reality is, as ZinMe says, that any of those is a good choice. Consider everything and buy the one YOU think is right for you.
Good luck!
Rosen

Siddavis,

Like you I had the 42HDS52. It was purchased from cc with a January 2006 manufacturing date and had the latest firmware. Besides the flicker problem, the Hitachi would not work with the DirecTV H20 HD receiver via HDMI. If you selected this input, the sound would come on for about a second and then shut off. You got the picture but no sound.I have the exact same setup and I've had no problems.

Bryan

I don't know much about the NEC, but the other three consistently are considered as the top 50inch + units. Unless you are a real display tech enthusiast, you will be happy with any of them. I have a Hitachi 55HDT52 and I recommend it if you have a larger room-- the screen is 20% bigger and that makes a big difference. (But also see my next post on glare.) Otherwise, my advice is to find the dealers in your area that carry one or more of them and see where you can get the best deal. The picture differences are going to be minimal- so go for the best deal, get the thing home, and enjoy watching it!

Panny TH-50PHD8UK (1 year warranty)
NEC 50XR5 (3 year warranty)
Pioneer Elite PRO 1130HD (2 year warranty
Hitachi 55HDX62 (2 year warranty)

Scott,
From an ISF capabilities point of view I would rate those TV's as follows:

1. Pioneer Elite PRO 1130HD
NEC 50XR5
Hitachi 55HDX62
4. Panny TH-50PHD8UK

I don't know how much you like to tweak the picture adjustments, but the first three sets are better at this than the Panasonic (hence I put them all in first place:)) The reality is, as ZinMe says, that any of those is a good choice. Consider everything and buy the one YOU think is right for you.
Good luck!
Rosen

Thanks for the info and suggestions...

I think I'm going to go with the Hitachi 55HDX62 in the Family Room (20'x20' room) given the 55" display and the Pioneer Elite 1130HD w/speakers in the Master Bedroom. If I can get a good buy on two Hitachi's, I'll do that and have a 55" plasma for each room. :D

Scott

Hi all - I'm having trouble finding ANY available 55HDT52's - can anyone tell me or PM where I can get one ASAP at a good price?

Muchas Gracias!
Bump - anyone?? Looks like there are a lot of folks with either the 55HDS52 or 55HDT52 so any help with EITHER of these sets would be greatly appreciated.

After waiting 2 months for JandR to get them in, I just got the 42HDT52 yesterday, and love it. But I have a question about the 16:9 aspect ratio. I have it hooked up via component cables to a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD box from Time Warner, and on HD channels with the aspect set to 16:9 Standard it seems that the top and bottom of the image are cut off. When I swith to the channel directory (from the cable box), and the image goes to one corner of the screen, it seems like there is more information that is not displayed in full screen. For example, banners at the bottom of the screen in news shows with temperature or news feeds or peoples names are not visible.

I this because the feed is 1080i and the 1024 line screen is dropping the top and bottom lines? Do I have something set up improperly? Would an HDMI connection make any difference? I can live with this if I have to, but would rather see the whole image.

I haven't seen this discussed before, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Yale

yale,

Did you check the SA box's setup?

From
http://www.scientificatlanta.com/consumers_new/CableBoxes/8300hd.htm
"Why are all of my programs displayed in 1080i format?
You may have selected the Easy Setup mode and the Widescreen (16:9) TV setting in the HDTV Setup Wizard. Choosing these two settings together limits your programming to 1080i format, even on non-HD channels. To see your non-HD programs in 480i on a widescreen HDTV, used the Advanced Setup in the HDTV Setup Wizard. Make sure you select 480i as one of your saved formats, and then select Pass-Through in General Settings: Picture Format for your default picture format."

After waiting 2 months for JandR to get them in, I just got the 42HDT52 yesterday, and love it. But I have a question about the 16:9 aspect ratio. I have it hooked up via component cables to a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD box from Time Warner, and on HD channels with the aspect set to 16:9 Standard it seems that the top and bottom of the image are cut off. When I swith to the channel directory (from the cable box), and the image goes to one corner of the screen, it seems like there is more information that is not displayed in full screen. For example, banners at the bottom of the screen in news shows with temperature or news feeds or peoples names are not visible.

I this because the feed is 1080i and the 1024 line screen is dropping the top and bottom lines? Do I have something set up improperly? Would an HDMI connection make any difference? I can live with this if I have to, but would rather see the whole image.

I haven't seen this discussed before, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Yale

Sounds like the cable box thinks it's sending to a 4:3 set. Check the configuration of your cable box and make sure you set it to output the correct aspect ratio and resolutions.

Happy to inform everyone that I ended up ordering two Hitachi 55HDX62 last night at Magnolia w/2 years same as cash and additional discounts on the plasmas. In addition, I signed up for the rewards program and should be getting back around $400 in bonus cash. Should be in March 7th. It was a hard choice for me, but not my wife. I was tossed back and forth between the Pioneer Elite 1130, NEC PX-50XR5 and the Hitachi 55HDX62. The Hitachi was right next to a Pioneer Elite 43" plasma and the blacks looked really close to one another in addition to the PQ. The guy who we've been talking to put a DVD movie (STEALTH) into the Denon 1920 player and played the trailer on the Hitachi and after that, SOLD!!! :eek: I was like Pioneer/NEC who??? :D

Scott

Happy to inform everyone that I ended up ordering two Hitachi 55HDX62 last night at Magnolia w/2 years same as cash and additional discounts on the plasmas. In addition, I signed up for the rewards program and should be getting back around $400 in bonus cash. Should be in March 7th. It was a hard choice for me, but not my wife. I was tossed back and forth between the Pioneer Elite 1130, NEC PX-50XR5 and the Hitachi 55HDX62. The Hitachi was right next to a Pioneer Elite 43" plasma and the blacks looked really close to one another in addition to the PQ. The guy who we've been talking to put a DVD movie (STEALTH) into the Denon 1920 player and played the trailer on the Hitachi and after that, SOLD!!! :eek: I was like Pioneer/NEC who??? :D

Scott

Sounds great, I'm ready to pull trigger on this one too. Thanks for info on 2 yr same as cash, & rewards. Shopping @ Magnolia also

I know that several other brands have better blacks. I'm between the Pioneer 5060 and the 55HDS hitachi - I can't get an HDX anywhere near me. That extra 5 inches is really making me want to give the nod to the Hitachi, but I can clearly see a black level difference. Is it less noticable once you're at home with just your Hitachi not sitting next to the others? Will the black level have as much of a effect if I normally watch TV with the lights on?

I know that several other brands have better blacks. I'm between the Pioneer 5060 and the 55HDS hitachi - I can't get an HDX anywhere near me. That extra 5 inches is really making me want to give the nod to the Hitachi, but I can clearly see a black level difference. Is it less noticable once you're at home with just your Hitachi not sitting next to the others? Will the black level have as much of a effect if I normally watch TV with the lights on?
No, stop obsessing about it. I hear all this talk about how x and y is better at blacks...maybe there is a difference, but once you get your set at home, adjust the set properly...youll enjoy it and regret all the time you wasted obsessing over some black level issue that peple here want to discuss to no end because it makes them feel their set is better than another. Black level performance is just ONE criteria in making a purchase...and if its that big of a deal for you, just get the PIo, but I cant see passing up on 5 more inches...thats huge. btw, i love my black performance on my HDX and have no regrets.

Sounds like the cable box thinks it's sending to a 4:3 set. Check the configuration of your cable box and make sure you set it to output the correct aspect ratio and resolutions.
bingo, the 4:3 setup will cut the top and bottom offf HD channels that should fill the entire screen. Get into the Menu and change that setting. takes 30 seconds.

Has anyone had the same experience and if so, did the HDX make a big difference in glare reduction?

...or perhaps I should just buy some blinds... :-)
Myabe the HDX antirefelct does make a big difference, because ive never had a complaint. and like most others that arent living in a cave, I have a decent sized window to the side of my HDX...no complaints.

Does anyone Know how to get into the user menu on the 42HDT51. I'm trying to see how much time I've logged on my tv. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

No, stop obsessing about it. I hear all this talk about how x and y is better at blacks...maybe there is a difference, but once you get your set at home, adjust the set properly...youll enjoy it and regret all the time you wasted obsessing over some black level issue that peple here want to discuss to no end because it makes them feel their set is better than another. Black level performance is just ONE criteria in making a purchase...and if its that big of a deal for you, just get the PIo, but I cant see passing up on 5 more inches...thats huge. btw, i love my black performance on my HDX and have no regrets.

I echo your advice.

I find that my Hitachi 42HDT52A performs brilliantly and renders the scene in the most natural way--- and blacks? They are rendered as black and I have no problem with it. What I look for in what I watch are natural skin tone, and realistic color. My Hitachi has exceeded my expectations.

The set has to be calibrated for optimized viewing pleasure.

I know I saw this on here somewhere....but I upgraded from the 42HDS to the 55", and the top of the 55" tilts down quite a bit with the stand. The 42" was very vertical. This thing is very heavy...almost want to wire the center of it to the wall. Also can't bolt the thing...my table is glass. Are your 55" screens at a tilt also?

yale,

Did you check the SA box's setup?


Great. Thanks for the advice, that did the trick. Still figure out how to get the 8300HD to remember my setting, since I can't enter the setup Wizard per SA's instructions, but at least now I know the issue is with the cable box.

In my little Manhattan apartment that 42 looks like a 55 would in a real living room. Awesome!

I know I saw this on here somewhere....but I upgraded from the 42HDS to the 55", and the top of the 55" tilts down quite a bit with the stand. The 42" was very vertical. This thing is very heavy...almost want to wire the center of it to the wall. Also can't bolt the thing...my table is glass. Are your 55" screens at a tilt also?


(1) My 55HDX62 is a little tilted. But honestly the "bubble" is only a tad off. no big deal. And I did secure it to the table. I think its because the TV is so damn heavy. I thought the tild was more extreme, but it was actually b/c part of my wall is not level!

(2) PQ: On a side note, I love this TV. I just updated my firmware and no more flicker. This picture is awesome. On an HD signal, my panasonic ED pales in comparison. On the other hand, my panasonic does look better I think w/ SD signal and DVD. I just need more HD content -- can't wait for FIOS and HD-DVD.

(3) Subwoofer: Anyone have any suggestions for a small subwoofer to attach? I would just like a little punch w/o having to use a receiver.

Rstr,
3)
Audio is a major part of my setup. Most digital shows will broadcast with 5.1 sound. While my 5.1 receiver and speakers cost about 1/3 of my plasma, I would not have one without the other (well I did before I bought my plasma). It is part of the package. The center (voice) channel is the best part of a 5.1 setup and causes problems when it needs to be forced into a stereo setup. When the center channel is forced through stereo you find yourself alway fiddling with the volume to hear dialog and then turing the volume down because the surround (explosions, sound effects, etc.) is too loud.
You've made an incredibly large investment, now spend more!

(1) My 55HDX62 is a little tilted. But honestly the "bubble" is only a tad off. no big deal. And I did secure it to the table. I think its because the TV is so damn heavy. I thought the tild was more extreme, but it was actually b/c part of my wall is not level!

(2) PQ: On a side note, I love this TV. I just updated my firmware and no more flicker. This picture is awesome. On an HD signal, my panasonic ED pales in comparison. On the other hand, my panasonic does look better I think w/ SD signal and DVD. I just need more HD content -- can't wait for FIOS and HD-DVD.

(3) Subwoofer: Anyone have any suggestions for a small subwoofer to attach? I would just like a little punch w/o having to use a receiver.

Velodyne MiniVee or DX10.

The angle on mine is a little more than I like. I think I may take the stand back off and shim the front bolts to bring it back up a bit.

Great. Thanks for the advice, that did the trick. Still figure out how to get the 8300HD to remember my setting, since I can't enter the setup Wizard per SA's instructions, but at least now I know the issue is with the cable box.

In my little Manhattan apartment that 42 looks like a 55 would in a real living room. Awesome!

Turn the cable box off and the tv on. Walk over to the cablebox and hold down the guide and info buttons at the same time. Wait for the setup menu to appear. Enter the advanced setup menu. Set your tv for 16:9 widescreen.
Hope this helps.

(2) PQ: On a side note, I love this TV. I just updated my firmware and no more flicker. This picture is awesome. On an HD signal, my panasonic ED pales in comparison. On the other hand, my panasonic does look better I think w/ SD signal and DVD. I just need more HD content -- can't wait for FIOS and HD-DVD.


How did you update the firmware?

You've made an incredibly large investment, now spend more!

Thanks for the tip. Getting a new audio setup is not what i want right now.

Velodyne MiniVee or DX10.

Thanks.

How did you update the firmware?

Call Hitachi. They'll send you memory card to plug into the set.

Rstr,

What was your firmware v. before and after the update? Just curious.

Paul

I agree, and those 5 inches are REALLY big!
I think I'm over the black level worry... I did see a good feed finally on an HDS at a CC in central Jersey. My newest question is about the other colors - The red CC logo looked a little orange-y compared to the other panels near it. Is this adjustable without ISF calibration? The picure looked nice and sharp, I'm just asking about colors -

No, stop obsessing about it. I hear all this talk about how x and y is better at blacks...maybe there is a difference, but once you get your set at home, adjust the set properly...youll enjoy it and regret all the time you wasted obsessing over some black level issue that peple here want to discuss to no end because it makes them feel their set is better than another. Black level performance is just ONE criteria in making a purchase...and if its that big of a deal for you, just get the PIo, but I cant see passing up on 5 more inches...thats huge. btw, i love my black performance on my HDX and have no regrets.

I agree, and those 5 inches are REALLY big!
I think I'm over the black level worry... I did see a good feed finally on an HDS at a CC in central Jersey. My newest question is about the other colors - The red CC logo looked a little orange-y compared to the other panels near it. Is this adjustable without ISF calibration? The picure looked nice and sharp, I'm just asking about colors -

If the HDS is a lot like the HDT, there is a color management option in the menu where you can make adjustments on individual colors - red, yellow, blue, green, cyan and magenta. For more sophisticated adjustment, you can access another menu by pressing menu,menu, 8 and select. i have not made adjustment in this one.

Folks, I opted for the Peerless PLA-1 mount and assumed that the PLP-HT55 adapter plate would work. It doesn't...the plate is very small for 55HDT52.

I need advice on mounting the display. Unfortunately, the wall plates of PLA-1 are already in :-(

Thanks in advance.
..YatinM

Hi,

I was finally 'brave' enough to mount my 55" 55HDT52 Plasma on the wall (myself), when I ran into a couple of issues that I was hoping someone here could help me with.

I bought the Peerless PLA-1 (articulating arm), mounted to the wall, and then I went to mount the adaptor plate onto the Plasma...when I discovered that the adaptor plate for the 55HDT51 (PLP-HT55) does NOT match the hole pattern for this years model. Call to Peerless resulted in..."the only thing we have that will match is a Universal plate".

So, I got a universal plate, got excited to mount the Plasma (after 3 weeks of watching on the floor), and then I find that the Universal Plate (PLP-UN7) only matches up to 2 of the holes (of the 3) on each side (i.e., only attached to 4 total bolts).

Do you think this is OK, and if so, do I attach to the 2 upper bolts or the 2 lower? If I go to the 2 lower, it covers part of the inputs on the back.

What have others done?

Thanks for your input.

BTW - I'm getting a cable card today, and I'll see if the audio-lagging-video problem that I previously posted about is still present (only have this problem with OTA HD signals - not through STB).

They beat it up a little with black flicker and "noise"? But encouragingly, they said it will work well in a bright family room situation. That's how I am planning on using it, as long as I can dial out some daytime glare. Will I be able to wall mount this monster on a wood panelled wall without tearing down the whole wall and putting up drywall?

Hi YatinM,

I had the exact same thing happen to me! Anyways, you can get the Peerless PLP-UN7 (Universal Mount) and connect them to the top 2 set of mounting holes on the 55HDT52 (the bottom ones will be unused, but I've had no stability issues).

Good luck.

Thanks, mgholami. Do all the functions (tilt etc.) work OK given this arrangement?

I see the metal rib under the mounting screws..it seems pretty sturdy.
..Yatin

Rstr,

What was your firmware v. before and after the update? Just curious.

Paul
101.0001 to 102,0001

Thanks, mgholami. Do all the functions (tilt etc.) work OK given this arrangement?

I see the metal rib under the mounting screws..it seems pretty sturdy.
..Yatin

Yep - everything works great. I don't normally mess with the tilt, but I like to swivel the TV to point towards Kitchen often, and back to the family room. Easy access to all the rear controls. I will note, get cables long enough to accomodate the articulating arm if you're going to extend it a bit. Personally (since I installed it), I don't like to pull it out too far from the wall...can really test how 'center' of the studs you got your screws!

Good luck.

101.0001 to 102,0001

Sorry, didn't realize you had the 55. I hate to start this conversation once again, but I am reaching my breaking point and need some suggestions. I am now on my second plasma... first one being the Panasonic (TH-42PX50U). Loved it to death, but it one of the circuit boards popped... toast. It took CC 2 months to finally approve a replacement. By that time, this model was on backorder 3-4 weeks, so I opted for the Hitachi (42HDS52a) due to a recent swell of positive feedback. The TV itself is much nicer, inputs, hidden button panel, cleaner look, etc. Of course black levels aren't as nice, but after a few weeks, I don't notice the difference.... with one exception... FLICKER!

I have the latest firmware, tried every suggestion in the book, and I still get flicker on both DVDs and through my SA8300HD. I have about 80-100 hours viewing time, and using component inputs. Turning on/off Black enhancement seems to make the flicker less drastic, but doesnt really reduce the amount of flicker. I called support, and they had me try petty much everything listed in this forum a second time. They did mention the firmware update normally fixes this problem.

I dont want to have to take yet another TV back to CC. I think I am going to have Hitachi schedule a tech to verify the problem before I go throught the exchange process yet again. I am hoping I can get this to go away.

Anyone? Suggestions?

Thanks, again. I'm getting one of those. Note that Peerless says either PLP-UN7 or PLP-UNL would work.

Peerless also offered to make a custom adapter plate for this model free of cost. They would pay for the shipping back-n-forth and take 10 biz days to get that done. I will first try one of these 2 Universal plates.
..Yatin


Yep - everything works great. I don't normally mess with the tilt, but I like to swivel the TV to point towards Kitchen often, and back to the family room. Easy access to all the rear controls. I will note, get cables long enough to accomodate the articulating arm if you're going to extend it a bit. Personally (since I installed it), I don't like to pull it out too far from the wall...can really test how 'center' of the studs you got your screws!

Good luck.

Sorry, didn't realize you had the 55. I hate to start this conversation once again, but I am reaching my breaking point and need some suggestions. I am now on my second plasma... first one being the Panasonic (TH-42PX50U). Loved it to death, but it one of the circuit boards popped... toast. It took CC 2 months to finally approve a replacement. By that time, this model was on backorder 3-4 weeks, so I opted for the Hitachi (42HDS52a) due to a recent swell of positive feedback. The TV itself is much nicer, inputs, hidden button panel, cleaner look, etc. Of course black levels aren't as nice, but after a few weeks, I don't notice the difference.... with one exception... FLICKER!

I have the latest firmware, tried every suggestion in the book, and I still get flicker on both DVDs and through my SA8300HD. I have about 80-100 hours viewing time, and using component inputs. Turning on/off Black enhancement seems to make the flicker less drastic, but doesnt really reduce the amount of flicker. I called support, and they had me try petty much everything listed in this forum a second time. They did mention the firmware update normally fixes this problem.

I dont want to have to take yet another TV back to CC. I think I am going to have Hitachi schedule a tech to verify the problem before I go throught the exchange process yet again. I am hoping I can get this to go away.

Anyone? Suggestions?

There is no fix for the 42" units, the dc restoration problems are a fact of life with these units, and why i couldn't live with one.

Who-Dey,

Schedule the visit. I will try to get an DVI to HMDI cable to test that input. Using direct component inputs from my Motarola STB showed no flicker on my set while watching Sin City in HD. If flicker was a problem on my set I'm fairly sure that movie would show it.

Who-Dey,

Schedule the visit. I will try to get an DVI to HMDI cable to test that input. Using direct component inputs from my Motarola STB showed no flicker on my set while watching Sin City in HD. If flicker was a problem on my set I'm fairly sure that movie would show it.

Thanks, I am actually using component hookup. I have my DVD and cable running through my receiver via component hookup. Are you saying HDMI or another connection type might resolve this? I did hear that using HDMI over compoment results in a different picture.

If you could try swapping HDMI/Component and see if this causes/resolves flickering, that would be exciting for me! I would just need to run 2 HDMI cables to my unit.

Who-Dey,
The source in my test was HD cable from Comcast. I have not seen any problem as of yet from my DVD player. I have a panasonic (DMR-ES20S I think) DVD player/recorder. I think that I am currently using component but might be using svideo out.

Are you upconverting your DVD playback?
Try direct cabling.
Swap or replace cables to see if they are the problem.
Try svideo.

I should get my cables by Wednesday.

Thanks, I am actually using component hookup. I have my DVD and cable running through my receiver via component hookup. Are you saying HDMI or another connection type might resolve this? I did hear that using HDMI over compoment results in a different picture.

If you could try swapping HDMI/Component and see if this causes/resolves flickering, that would be exciting for me! I would just need to run 2 HDMI cables to my unit.

What picture difference?

Scott

What picture difference?

Scott

Sorry, I didnt mean to imply differences between HDMI and component pic quality as that has already been debated many times over. I have read in other threads that calibration was slightly different for HDMI and component inputs, and that raises a question for me. Can the flickering be more common in one vs the other?

Bob, do I need to order a new cable since I will eventually run this behind the wall (the cables I currently have are only 6 feet). I would really like to know if flickering is reduced/minimized using one hookup over the next. I am not upconverting my DVD output, at least I dont think l am since my receiver just relays the signal. Plus I hooked both DVD and SA8300 direct via component and still had flickering. I dont have an HDMI cable, but I might try s-video just for kicks. Are you running s-video or component from your cablebox?

Who-Dey,
Component from STB (cablebox) to display. What DVD player do you have?

Hey all: I just picked up a 42HDT here in Portland at Video Only. Boy that store's return policy makes me nervous but the prices were too good to be ignored.

Has anyone used their firewire connectors yet? I am wondering what all I need to look at doing to record HD content directly from this system.

Hey all: I just picked up a 42HDT here in Portland at Video Only. Boy that store's return policy makes me nervous but the prices were too good to be ignored.

Has anyone used their firewire connectors yet? I am wondering what all I need to look at doing to record HD content directly from this system.

First off, congrats!

Yes, I am using the firewire connector with my JVC 30K to play D-theatre. I also use it to connect my Sony HC1 camcorder to view my self-made video. I have not used it to receive OTA HD signal as I don't have an antenna. This set rocks!

I have the 42HDS52a

Use HDMI from DCT3412 comcast cable box and to my LG DVD player. I have watched for one month now and still have never seen the flicker that has been described.

I have watched many dark movies and unless this flicker is so subtle that I miss it I have to believe my set does not have the problem. Is it that noticeable where there is no way you would miss it?

I have not tried using component or lesser connections types though - Always HDMI

Sarhento, thanks for the warm welcome. That is good to know the firewire is b-directional. All of the sales associates I had talked to at various stores led me to believe it was a one way recording output. I had never even heard of D-theater before your post or the JVC 30K and had to do a lot of googling to catch up. I had no idea such units existed. Wow, I wonder if the penetration is increasing at all because since they were released. My initial perception is that it would be a more worthy endeavor for my purposes to figure out how to do the capture directly on a home theater PC from one of the outlets.

I read in the documentation that Hitachi provided they do not recommend using a computer on any of the input connectors, anyone know why or have any successful experience doing so? I would love to build a small HTPC solely for media distribution and HDTV recording in the entertainment center.

PS: I too have not seen any flicker on my set as of yet, subtle or not. I am so excited about the thing it has literally changed my perception of TV again. I revel in the skin tones, marvel at the detail, and am simply overwhelmed by the reception of even the most basic OTA broadcasts.

as i've stated earlier my 42hdt52a connected via hdmi to a dct 6412 III has never had flicker. also no flicker on dvd via component. from the thread most 42's don't appear to have the problem. just a few 42 owners have complained. i was wondering about the post that said the 42's had flicker from an inherent dc restoration defect. that was the first time i'd heard that plus i'm not sure i understand what it means.

as i've stated earlier my 42hdt52a connected via hdmi to a dct 6412 III has never had flicker. also no flicker on dvd via component. from the thread most 42's don't appear to have the problem. just a few 42 owners have complained. i was wondering about the post that said the 42's had flicker from an inherent dc restoration defect. that was the first time i'd heard that plus i'm not sure i understand what it means.

I think he means the dynamic contrast control. I believe the general consensus was that even though turned off, the DCC frequently tries to adjust the contrast which is what causes the "flicker" or "black level shift".

Someone in a previous post described it well in that it doesn't always represent itself as what most people consider flicker, but more of an overall "lightening or darkening" of the contrast adjustment. I can't remember exactly how he described it, but a search of this thread should find it if you're interested.

It exists on my 42, and all of the 42's that I've seen in the stores (4 different stores)

I think you are either sensitive to it or not. Many friends I've had over, don't mention anything until I point it out, and others have commented on it without any prodding from me. Try watching the opening scene of Godfather 2, it's SUPER noticable there where there is so much black on the screen to see the contrast shift.

I've calibrated my screen with Avia to the best of my mediocre ability, and that helped a little, but I still feel that it's a fundamental problem with the unit that needs to be fixed. It was with the 55's.

Anyway, still waiting for the firmware upgrade for the 42's.......

I think he means the dynamic contrast control. I believe the general consensus was that even though turned off, the DCC frequently tries to adjust the contrast which is what causes the "flicker" or "black level shift".

Someone in a previous post described it well in that it doesn't always represent itself as what most people consider flicker, but more of an overall "lightening or darkening" of the contrast adjustment. I can't remember exactly how he described it, but a search of this thread should find it if you're interested.

It exists on my 42, and all of the 42's that I've seen in the stores (4 different stores)

I think you are either sensitive to it or not. Many friends I've had over, don't mention anything until I point it out, and others have commented on it without any prodding from me. Try watching the opening scene of Godfather 2, it's SUPER noticable there where there is so much black on the screen to see the contrast shift.

I've calibrated my screen with Avia to the best of my mediocre ability, and that helped a little, but I still feel that it's a fundamental problem with the unit that needs to be fixed. It was with the 55's.

Anyway, still waiting for the firmware upgrade for the 42's.......

But the firmware upgrade fixed pretty much all the flickering problems with the 55's, correct? :confused:

how do u check what the latest firmware is i registered my tv and cant find where to view this info on the hitachi website ..i have the 42HDT52A manufactured in February

Ok, I watched the beginning of Godfather 2 (happened to have it my library of flicks). I have no idea what the heck you are talking about. There is no flicker contrast adjustment or any other type of noticeable change to the blacks. They are just fine.

Either it is not affecting all sets as you claim or my eyes do not detect this.

42HDS52A

My 42HDS52A has never had the so called flicker. I think that anyone that makes such a broad statement that "all the 42's have it" need to be taken with a grain of salt. If it has it and you look for it you will see it. I guess I consider myself lucky. I feel that for those that do have the problem, Hitachi will step up as they did for the 55's. People just need to keep reporting it to Hitachi.

I said all (5) of the 42's that I've seen have the issue. Plus, I didn't intend to include the HDS as I haven't looked at those, only HDT.

Sorry for implying that all 42's have the same issue as the 55's.

If yours doesn't have the issues, that's great.

I think it's an issue of being cursed to have seen it. Once you see it you're done and can't stand it.

If you don't see it stop looking for it and enjoy your set. i wish I never saw it.

I've got an HDT and it doesn't have the dreaded flicker.

I am one of the lucky ones, I guess.

If the HDS is a lot like the HDT, there is a color management option in the menu where you can make adjustments on individual colors - red, yellow, blue, green, cyan and magenta. For more sophisticated adjustment, you can access another menu by pressing menu,menu, 8 and select. i have not made adjustment in this one.

I was wondering where exactly in the menu of the HDT52 was this color management option where you can make adjustments on individual colors? Could you point it out, please?

I was wondering where exactly in the menu of the HDT52 was this color management option where you can make adjustments on individual colors? Could you point it out, please?

Press menu,video, and scroll down until you find color management. Press it and it should show you the options for color adjustments.