I hope they kill off Castiel since I never liked him in the first place and really never found him interesting... Castiel needs to go period!
Wow! I cannot disagree with you more. I find him a great addition to the show, and really like almost every moment he is on screen. I think Misha plays him perfectly.

Leave Misha Alone!

Excellent episode and I think Misha makes this show even better. His character and how it acts in the show is awesome.

IMO Misha is perfect as Castiel.

I am happy many enjoy Misha/Castiel but I watch for Dean, Sam, and Bobby and find everything about Castiel boring and I really do not think Misha is a great actor either ,,
Since his addition I've tuned out more than tuned it as he really sucks the life out of the show !!!

I'm with the others, I like Castiel, and Misha's performance of him.

Dean - "You know who whines? Babies."

wow! I cannot disagree with you more. I find him a great addition to the show, and really like almost every moment he is on screen. I think misha plays him perfectly.

love misha!!!!!!:d

And since the latest episode was Castiel-centric, many of us were very happy and satisfied. I *DO* wish that God had answered Cas' question at the end, but I didn't expect a direct answer. There could have been an indirect answer though.

I have to say the one thing that really stood out to me about the last episode, and a week later still does, is the great video quality of Cass sitting in the snow. The lighting and the colors looked fantastic. Normally this show is so dark and bordering on muted color that this was an eye catcher. Everything just popped.

I have to say the one thing that really stood out to me about the last episode, and a week later still does, is the great video quality of Cass sitting in the snow. The lighting and the colors looked fantastic. Normally this show is so dark and bordering on muted color that this was an eye catcher. Everything just popped.
Wish I could have enjoyed it...
Sadly, DirecTV refuses to broadcast the CW in HD in my area.:mad:

And since the latest episode was Castiel-centric, many of us were very happy and satisfied. I *DO* wish that God had answered Cas' question at the end, but I didn't expect a direct answer. There could have been an indirect answer though.

Who knows maybe God answer is that he has not answered. They did show Cas was killed then was alive again. Only to face another Arch Angel bent on bringing about the Apocolypse. Why bring Cas back if he did not have a purpose.

Then again the road to hell is paved with good intentions.....

I have to say the one thing that really stood out to me about the last episode, and a week later still does, is the great video quality of Cass sitting in the snow. The lighting and the colors looked fantastic. Normally this show is so dark and bordering on muted color that this was an eye catcher. Everything just popped.

Agreed, I really noticed this as well.

It goes with the "God works in mysterious ways" mantra... it would be reasonable for God to bring Castiel back, knowing he would keep Raphael in check...

True Castiel rebelled... but he actually rebelled FOR God in a sense, because the angels on the other side were claiming to be doing God's will when we all knew that God was nowhere to be seen and not giving directions anymore.

So... Castiel rebelling is the opposite of Lucifer... Lucifer rebelled against God and against humanity... so God cast him out... Castiel rebelled in favor of God and for humanity... so wherever God is, he has been paying attention.

It's probably reasonable to infer that hell needs a new ruler, and Crowley seems (the devil you know) to be more reasonable than Lucifer... and Crowley has even intervened on the side of good before... so it even makes sense that God might favor the alliance between Castiel and Crowley.

The big trick/failure was Castiel not trusting Sam/Dean enough to tell them everything in the beginning... but I still think eventually they all make up and fight the good fight together once they realize the alternative to working with Crowley is FAR worse.

It certainly is a unique show. The manage to splice humor, seriousness, mythology and horror in one nice package. Loved the Ken Lays heaven and hell now is waiting in one long line.

Wow, didn't see that coming at the end, though I should have. Cas is now a god?

This show jumped the shark .. Cas is now God ? Cas was an idiot Angel how is he going to be God ?
Really can Misha be anymore pathetic in his acting and Castiel anymore pathetically boring to watch !
And why was I not surprised that what should have been about Sam for once became the Cas Show ? Predictable !

Wow was that an outstanding season finale! I'm so relieved that Cas didn't get ganked. I did not see that ending coming. Cas is now a god.:cool::D Or is he The God? Either way, I think we'll definitely be seeing Chuck/God next season.

I don't understand why Rafael exploded like a human. Shouldn't there have also been a burst of light too? It seemed like Cas just killed his vessel; which he's already done once before.

So glad that Lisa is finally out of the picture for good. Dean didn't crash his car into her. She crashed into Supernatural with her stupid emotional drama.:p Good riddance.:)

I'm also excited to see that Sam's Hell Wall finally came down, and that he has to face the memories of what happened in the Cage in Hell.

Cas has been corrupted pretty quickly by having absolute power. I think that Chuck/God has allowed this whole situation to happen for 1 of 2 possible reasons: He's tired of being God, and was hoping that Cas could replace him; or this is to show everyone how hard it is being God. Either way, he's going to have to show up and sort this out. No more lounging around in his bathrobe, drinking alcohol, writing the next "Supernatural" book, and calling "Mistress Magdalene" all day.;) He's used up all his sick days and vacation days.

Can't wait till next season.

It has to be one of the best twists I've seen a quite a while. Sets up all kinds of possibilities for next year.

I guess every thread needs/has a hater. Over in Smallville a day does not go by that a certain poster rags on the actress who played Tess, here we get Cass haters. Fine hate him, but don't harp on it day in and day out.

The only disappointment for me was how easily it seems Sam came to terms with what was described as an indescribable torment situation.

I suppose, though, that Castiel could have just been lying the whole time about how difficult it would be for Sam to remember what happened in Hell because he wanted to keep everyone off of his back.

It has to be one of the best twists I've seen a quite a while. Sets up all kinds of possibilities for next year.

I guess every thread needs/has a hater. Over in Smallville a day does not go by that a certain poster rags on the actress who played Tess, here we get Cass haters. Fine hate him, but don't harp on it day in and day out.


I'll say it as often as I want.. I hated the whole Castiel story arc and never liked Misha's acting either. Ever since his intro to the series I watched less and less and have no great desire watching the Cas Hour next season. It was bad enough with the boring Dean and Cas being buddies -:eek:
I became a SPN fan because of Sam and Dean and yes Bobby and the relationship between these three and them fighting supernatural forces but when Cas came aboard it lessened the qaulity of the series and became predictable ..
So when SPN gets back to what works I"ll watch but not until the idiots in charge get rid of of the weak link on the show Misha/Castiel :eek:

Misha is great leave him alone!

lol

I'll say it as often as I want.. I hated the whole Castiel story arc and never liked Misha's acting either. Ever since his intro to the series I watched less and less and have no great desire watching the Cas Hour next season. It was bad enough with the boring Dean and Cas being buddies -:eek:
I became a SPN fan because of Sam and Dean and yes Bobby and the relationship between these three and them fighting supernatural forces but when Cas came aboard it lessened the qaulity of the series and became predictable ..
So when SPN gets back to what works I"ll watch but not until the idiots in charge get rid of of the weak link on the show Misha/Castiel :eek:

Okay, so bye bye.

i liked crowley at the end...doing a Cas.

"FLEE....OR DIE!" lol..

It was good but I don't like the cliffhanger. They don't usually do that on supernatural. Nothing was really resolved or fixed the whole situation just got worse. That isn't how seasons of Supernatural usually end. I really like Cass so I hope they redeem him somehow. This all feels very similar to the Buffy/Willow arc from Buffy the Vampire slayer. Evil/Corrupted all powerful Willow was interesting but it didn't make for a great season overall. I hope they do better here. I just hate waiting till next season to see how they resolve it.

Nielsen Overnights
'Supernatural' Ends Season On Low Note
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com - May 21st, 2011

After taking last Friday off for the swan song of veteran Smallville, CW's Supernatural returned last night for its own season closer. The finale drew 2.1 million viewers and a 0.8/3 in adults 18-49, down 20% in the demo from the show's last original.

With CBS' established Friday dramas CSI: NY and Blue Bloods in repeat/replaced by 48 Hours Mystery, respectively, after ending their seasons last week, Flashpoint (0.9/3) at 8 PM dropped 31% from last week. Fox (average of 1.5/6) won the night in 18-49 with a new Kitchen Nightmares (1.6/6), the highest-rated program of the night, followed by a repeat of the unscripted series (1.4/5).

ABC (1.3/4) was second with a Shark Tank rerun and newsmagazines, followed by NBC, which aired Friday Night Lights (0.9/3, up a tenth) and Dateline.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/ratings-rat-race-supernatural-ends-season-on-low-note/

I dislike that Cas went from trying to do bad things for a good cause and he knew this to just doing bad things cuz he could. Maybe it because of my total man-crush on Misha. ;)

Otherwise, it was an alright finale, just kinda cliched. "Absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Nielsen Overnights
'Supernatural' Ends Season On Low Note
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com - May 21st, 2011

After taking last Friday off for the swan song of veteran Smallville, CW's Supernatural returned last night for its own season closer. The finale drew 2.1 million viewers and a 0.8/3 in adults 18-49, down 20% in the demo from the show's last original.

With CBS' established Friday dramas CSI: NY and Blue Bloods in repeat/replaced by 48 Hours Mystery, respectively, after ending their seasons last week, Flashpoint (0.9/3) at 8 PM dropped 31% from last week. Fox (average of 1.5/6) won the night in 18-49 with a new Kitchen Nightmares (1.6/6), the highest-rated program of the night, followed by a repeat of the unscripted series (1.4/5).

ABC (1.3/4) was second with a Shark Tank rerun and newsmagazines, followed by NBC, which aired Friday Night Lights (0.9/3, up a tenth) and Dateline.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/ratings-rat-race-supernatural-ends-season-on-low-note/



The best news and now maybe the idiots in charge will learn that Misha/Cas does not make the show !!
Maybe Season 7 will get back on track and put the focus on Dean, Sam, and Bobby again - Hallelujah !!

I might note that in TV Guide magazine's recent reader poll awards (no response required or requested from TaffyRose), Jensen Ackles won "best actor" in any series and Mischa Collins won the award for "best non-human character." Then again, "Supernatural," as a show, also won in the "best science-fiction" category. I don't really see this show as "science fiction," lol.

That said, I kindasorta DID see this coming with Cas, and after he exploded Rafael, I wasn't the least bit surprised when he told Sam, Dean and Bobby to kneel before him and worship him or he'd destroy them (vengeful/jealous OLD TESTAMENT "God" stuff, huh?).

Frankly I, too, love the Castiel character and I feel last night's ending TRULY gives the show "fresh ground" to explore next season. For one thing, Dean will have to learn to speak to Castiel MUCH more humbly (I've ALWAYS thought he was unnecessarily RUDE AND DISMISSIVE in both the way he'd CALL Castiel and the way he'd talk to him -- Angel or no Angel).

If "God" truly HAS BEEN "on vacation" (or is "Chuck"), my bet is he'll be REALLY interested in seeing how things play out with Castiel, and whether or not he can learn to be "a loving 'God,'" rather than the "evil creature" the show ended with. His relationship with Sam, Dean and Bobby may be THE ONLY THING that can "redeem him" at this point. Perhaps the TRUE "God" decided to let someone ELSE feel "the burden of command" for a bit so he could better understand just how tough it is to be that powerful and have that much responsibility.

Of course Castiel will "come around." Getting him there will be the interesting part. After wondering just WHERE this show could go after last season ended, the show runners have GREATLY surprised me (in good ways), with what they've done with this season, and particularly with the intrigue they've set up for next season.

Well done. Very well.
Jeff

I might note that in TV Guide magazine's recent reader poll awards (no response required or requested from TaffyRose), Jensen Ackles won "best actor" in any series and Mischa Collins won the award for "best non-human character." Then again, "Supernatural," as a show, also won in the "best science-fiction" category. I don't really see this show as "science fiction," lol.

That said, I kindasorta DID see this coming with Cas, and after he exploded Rafael, I wasn't the least bit surprised when he told Sam, Dean and Bobby to kneel before him and worship him or he'd destroy them (vengeful/jealous OLD TESTAMENT "God" stuff, huh?).

Frankly I, too, love the Castiel character and I feel last night's ending TRULY gives the show "fresh ground" to explore next season. For one thing, Dean will have to learn to speak to Castiel MUCH more humbly (I've ALWAYS thought he was unnecessarily RUDE AND DISMISSIVE in both the way he'd CALL Castiel and the way he'd talk to him -- Angel or no Angel).

If "God" truly HAS BEEN "on vacation" (or is "Chuck"), my bet is he'll be REALLY interested in seeing how things play out with Castiel, and whether or not he can learn to be "a loving 'God,'" rather than the "evil creature" the show ended with. His relationship with Sam, Dean and Bobby may be THE ONLY THING that can "redeem him" at this point. Perhaps the TRUE "God" decided to let someone ELSE feel "the burden of command" for a bit so he could better understand just how tough it is to be that powerful and have that much responsibility.

Of course Castiel will "come around." Getting him there will be the interesting part. After wondering just WHERE this show could go after last season ended, the show runners have GREATLY surprised me (in good ways), with what they've done with this season, and particularly with the intrigue they've set up for next season.

Well done. Very well.
Jeff



So I gotta respond :D Who votes in these polls ? Organized fangirls who vote numerous times to get the winners they want that's who !!
I'm not disputing Misha's popularity and admit he is quite handsome but yet the constant emphasis on him since his intro has not been an asset to the series for me . Many people like him and think Misha is the greatest thing since sliced bread and that's alright but as a viewer I haven't enjoyed SPN as much since he came on and what should have been Sam's time to shine on SPN again turned into the Cas Hour which was very disaapointing .
I could care less what happens to Cas but I do care about Sam, Dean, and yes Bobby so seeing Sam always shafted to promote Cas is irritating and sadly predictable :(
Jensen and Jared have shown and proven they have the talent to do other acting projects and be sucessful but I've tried watching Misha in other things ie movies and so forth and still find his acting bland ..
I hought maybe it was just watching Misha on SPN and my hatred of Cas clouding my judgment per se but I still found Misha boring to watch ..
I've had times where I really do not like a certain actress/actor on one show yet have watched her/him on other things and liked them so that's why I was trying to give Misha leeway but he has yet to be impressive in his acting to me !
As for Cas- never found him overly interesting and nothing has changed to change my feelings - sorry :(

The writers set this up nicely, explaining in the past that in the Supernatural universe, there are multiple gods, but God/Chuck is the top dog. With Cas now being a god, I wonder how powerful he really is, or more importantly, how close is his power to God/Chuck.

Next season should be interesting, and at least we have a general idea of where the writers are taking the show (unlike after the finale last season).

The best news and now maybe the idiots in charge will learn that Misha/Cas does not make the show !!
Maybe Season 7 will get back on track and put the focus on Dean, Sam, and Bobby again - Hallelujah !!

You do know that Kripke, creator of Supernatural
wrote the final episode for this season.

The low ratings because WGN in some markets postponed the show to SUNDAY!!!

If Castiel gained that power through ingestion of the "fanged" souls, why doesn't Crowley simply eat all the souls in hell? I can see a conflict of interest for the angels, but not for Crowley.

Edit: I think that Death and the Fates may also have something to say about current events...

v/r,
C-F

I'm betting the 7th season will the be last. They can throw everything at it, everyone is expendable.

Taffy, I'm not certain I've actually SEEN Misha in anything else, so I have no basis for comparison. I DID notice, however, that after he "realized he's now 'God,'" for possibly the first time since he's been on the series Castiel actually OPENED HIS EYES all the way and looked confident and secure.

As for "fangirls" doing all the voting, well, this show was BY FAR not the only one rated by TV Guide readers (I found some of the other choices a bit more far-fetched than even this). But one other I DEFINITELY agreed with has Yvonne Strahovski as favorite female star and her character and Zachary Levi's character on "Chuck" as "favorite couple who have," in addition to Timothy Dalton on the same show as "best villain." He went from playing James Bond (VERY poorly, I thought), to playing a really funny and interesting villain named "Volkov" on "Chuck." (There's actually even more to it than that, in the end -- but I won't say any more... to quote River Song from "Doctor Who"... SPOILERSSSSSSSSSSSS.)

Considering how UTTERLY RIDICULOUS "Supernatural" is "on its face" (even as a serious "supernatural" show) -- and deliberately so, from what I can tell (so many sarcastic and comedic moments) -- I fail to see why anyone really takes it so seriously or really cares whether there's a "Castiel," or not, to get in the way of the "Sam and Dean" show. :cool:

And frankly, the thought of an angel possibly finding some way to TAKE THE PLACE of "God" (after God has apparently abandoned the universe) is quite intriguing and entertaining. Lucifer was an angel who rebelled against God and wanted to run Heaven HIS way, so if God has "jumped ship," angels battling to see WHO can become powerful enough to be "the new God" is at the very least intriguing. We apologize that this bothers you, Taffyrose. Perhaps you may find an angel of your very own.
Jeff

It was good but I don't like the cliffhanger. They don't usually do that on supernatural. Nothing was really resolved or fixed the whole situation just got worse. That isn't how seasons of Supernatural usually end. I really like Cass so I hope they redeem him somehow. This all feels very similar to the Buffy/Willow arc from Buffy the Vampire slayer. Evil/Corrupted all powerful Willow was interesting but it didn't make for a great season overall. I hope they do better here. I just hate waiting till next season to see how they resolve it.

Isn't this exactly how seasons of Supernatural end?

Season 1 -> Ends with a car crash of Sam + Dean + Dad on the highway
Season 2 -> They kill Yellow-eyes BUT not before he opens the devil's gate and lets a bunch of stuff out!
Season 3 -> Dean dies and goes to hell, they think they kill Lilith, but they don't.
Season 4 -> They finally kill Lilith, but OOPS that was what she wanted because it sets Lucifer free!
Season 5 -> Sam/Lucifer drops into the pit w/ Michael... Apocalypse averted.... but they end with a flash forward to 1 year later showing Sam is somehow back from Hell.

and now Season 6...

Pretty much every season of Supernatural has ended with a setup for the next season...

YA BEAT ME TO THE PUNCH, HDM -- except that I was just going to mention how LAST season ended -- especially the one-year-later thing with "Secret Sam" watching Dean from outside his house. Your summary above, however, DID let me know exactly where I "picked up" the story. The FIRST episode I can actually remember watching all the way through (if at all) began with a hand coming out of a grave, which later turned out to be Dean (I didn't even know he was dead and/or in hell -- previews just kept intriguing me, lol).

So I guess I started either at the beginning of Season 4 or sometime in Season 3 (depending on WHEN Dean clawed his way out of the ground). I must say I had a pretty STEEP (and quick) learning curve after that, figuring out what this show was all about -- and THEN "angels" appear -- and I was even MORE surprised that they didn't know about angels or even believe they existed prior to that, considering I don't see how you can "have one without the other" (Lucifer IS a "fallen angel," after all).

They certainly live in an "alternate universe" on "Supernatural" -- one even stranger than the one that had hellmouths and "slayers" in it (but both are SO much fun!).
Jeff

I guess it's more that the finale usually wraps up a major story line and then opens up a new one. This one didn't really feel like it wrapped anything up other than maybe killing Raf which really wasn't a huge plot point for Sam and Dean anyway. Other things like Sam getting his soul back and Lilith being destroyed were wrapped up during the season. Maybe it was just that the finale seemed anti climactic compared to other seasons.

Not a fan of this season finale. I loved the whole Cas thing and love Misha in the role. I hated the whole, half the show is in Sam's head, so it doesn't matter anything they are showing it was just wasted time as it was pointless. And Sam can manage this thing that even Death said not to even scratch at the wall. Lame.

i thought for a minute that sam was gonna take a shot of demon blood, and have a battle with castiel at the end....

I like the finale. Cas can be the big brother and thus they cant call him to do everything. I love Cas but the boys used him too much and as one said talked down to him. Cas has always tried to do right was right, just a messed up way of doing it.

So you have to wonder is Cas the next season foe? Will God/Chuck step in? Where is Death in all of this I love when Death shows up.

Not a fan of this season finale. I loved the whole Cas thing and love Misha in the role. I hated the whole, half the show is in Sam's head, so it doesn't matter anything they are showing it was just wasted time as it was pointless. And Sam can manage this thing that even Death said not to even scratch at the wall. Lame.

really? I think the mind stuff was done very well.

I'm betting the 7th season will the be last. They can throw everything at it, everyone is expendable.

everyone who? there's the boys, Bobby, and Cas. That's about it. They can't kill off the boys or Bobby (i would quit if they killed Bobby).

I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby sacrificed himself for the greater good at some point before the show ends.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bobby sacrificed himself for the greater good at some point before the show ends.

he already kinda did.

I've seen last season, but I didn't pick up on the whole Chuck/God thing. Was there a point at which it was given away?

I've seen last season, but I didn't pick up on the whole Chuck/God thing. Was there a point at which it was given away?

No. However, many have interpreted the final scenes with the reclusive writer ("Chuck", I presume) to mean that he was "god." Personally, I think these people have read too much into the scene. I don't get the leap there either.

No. However, many have interpreted the final scenes with the reclusive writer ("Chuck", I presume) to mean that he was "god." Personally, I think these people have read too much into the scene. I don't get the leap there either.

I thought the reclusive writer was a prophet... which would pretty much rule him out as being God.

I was beginning to think I had missed something too.

IF I were to bet on God... I would be more inclined to bet on the convention-organizer character played by Kripke since he is essentially "god" for creating the series... otherwise, I'm inclined to believe that we haven't seen God yet.

Not a fan of this season finale. I loved the whole Cas thing and love Misha in the role. I hated the whole, half the show is in Sam's head, so it doesn't matter anything they are showing it was just wasted time as it was pointless. And Sam can manage this thing that even Death said not to even scratch at the wall. Lame.

I agree with everything you said except I didn't like the Cas ending either because now they have to back pedal yet again to bring back a character that viewers liked or make him the nemesis for next season in which case the viewers lose a character they liked. Again.

Dream storylines are a massive cliche which are never surreal enough and are always pointless and without risk. Supernatural have even done the dream world schtick a lot of times before too.

And really, how come Dean is okay remembering fifty years in hell, but Sam isn't apparently capable? From the flashback and his Hell-self it didn't seem any worse. They could have at least made Sam's Hell-self more ravaged and tortured.

The second half of this season got the show back on track after the messy first half but the problem for this season was always the arc/arcs. It was a mess, not very interesting and with poor resolutions. The Eve storyline had a lot of potential but was ultimately pointless. The Campbell clan were a distraction that went nowhere. The angel weapons (remember those?) got lost in the plot and the angel war which they brought back for the finale became a finger snap victory.

I would rather this entire season arc had been just a straight conflict between angels instead of wasting time with the convoluted Crowley/purgatory/demon mom/alpha demons.

At least the MOW stuff when Sam regained his soul recaptured some of the magic and creativity of earlier seasons. I think this is one show that I actually don't want to see an arc plot next year.

Oh and I'm disappointed that nobody pointed out that Bobby's demon alternate who got killed off was called Ellsworth.

Are there no Deadwood fans in this thread? ;)

And really, how come Dean is okay remembering fifty years in hell, but Sam isn't apparently capable? From the flashback and his Hell-self it didn't seem any worse.

ummm ... maybe because Sam had Lucifer + Micheal taking turns on the filet-o-matic as opposed to some random demon?????

ummm ... maybe because Sam had Lucifer + Micheal taking turns on the filet-o-matic as opposed to some random demon?????

And whose flashback was worse? Hell-Sam didn't look that bad in his dream and in his flashback he was just on fire and when Sam remembered he didn't even go insane.

Dean was suspended over a pit of fire by hooked chains and tortured for forty years before he was converted to a minion of hell. Based on what we saw it was no less worse than what Sam suffered.

Maybe Sam was "conditioned" by having demon blood running through him?

Just a reminder in case others like me somehow missed it. The blu-ray of season 2 is being released on June 14. Finally all the seasons on blu-ray except season 6 which will be released later this year.

there's also an anime version coming out in July?? never knew they did anime..

http://www.amazon.com/Supernatural-Anime-Blu-ray-Jared-Padalecki/dp/B004VLLWB0/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1306683937&sr=8-11

And whose flashback was worse? Hell-Sam didn't look that bad in his dream and in his flashback he was just on fire and when Sam remembered he didn't even go insane.

Dean was suspended over a pit of fire by hooked chains and tortured for forty years before he was converted to a minion of hell. Based on what we saw it was no less worse than what Sam suffered.

So, now I'm confused. Are you upset that Sam was apparently able to handle the "breaking down of the wall," or that he was supposedly "unable to handle it." .... maybe it was last night's beer consumption, but you've lost me here. :confused:

PS: How do we know that Sam hadn't been flame-broiled on the rack for a 1000yrs of hell-time ... I think that would beat Dean's paltry 50yrs. ;)

I liked the series more when it dealt more with the occult than Biblical mythology.

I liked the series more when it dealt more with the occult than Biblical mythology.


Agreed ! I'm hoping it goes back to thiat now and they drop the whole Cas stuff .. BORING !

-- and THEN "angels" appear -- and I was even MORE surprised that they didn't know about angels or even believe they existed prior to that, considering I don't see how you can "have one without the other" (Lucifer IS a "fallen angel," after all).
In their defense, they had never seen one or had any inkling of them prior to that. They had demons on the left and right, without ever encountering an angel. They went through a lot of crap without ever having an angel show up and say, "keep up the good work boys, we like your moxie..."

What were they to think?

I should point out, though, Lucifer is not actually the Devil (Satan). He is often thought to be among many people, but he is in fact a different being, known as "the Light Bringer" or "the Morning Star". He is often also referred to as "Son of the Morning", which refers directly to the Babylonian king who was most definitely not Satan. Further, in many places in the bible, "Lucifer" is referred to as "lucifer", with a lower case "L", while Satan and the Devil are capitalized, like God.

Satan was running Hell long before Lucifer fell and was cast down to him. Older scripture actually hints that the devil is as old as, and has always been the polar opposite of, God.

In their defense, they had never seen one or had any inkling of them prior to that. They had demons on the left and right, without ever encountering an angel. They went through a lot of crap without ever having an angel show up and say, "keep up the good work boys, we like your moxie..."

What were they to think?

I should point out, though, Lucifer is not actually the Devil (Satan). He is often thought to be among many people, but he is in fact a different being, known as "the Light Bringer" or "the Morning Star". He is often also referred to as "Son of the Morning", which refers directly to the Babylonian king who was most definitely not Satan. Further, in many places in the bible, "Lucifer" is referred to as "lucifer", with a lower case "L", while Satan and the Devil are capitalized, like God.

Satan was running Hell long before Lucifer fell and was cast down to him. Older scripture actually hints that the devil is as old as, and has always been the polar opposite of, God.

Could you be more specific? I don't have the command of the english language as you seem to. PM if it would cause problems with moderators.

I don't understand why Rafael exploded like a human. Shouldn't there have also been a burst of light too? It seemed like Cas just killed his vessel; which he's already done once before.
- When Castiel was "killed" by Lucifer, didn't he also explode the same way?

I would assume the different methods of death have to do with the difference between being an angel and an Archangel.

In their defense, they had never seen one or had any inkling of them prior to that. They had demons on the left and right, without ever encountering an angel. They went through a lot of crap without ever having an angel show up and say, "keep up the good work boys, we like your moxie..."

What were they to think?


Actually, there was an episode in Season 3 (I think it was S3 anyway) that had to do with a priest and Dean said that he didn't believe in angels. By the end of the episode, he changed his mind.

I liked the series more when it dealt more with the occult than Biblical mythology.

I loved the biblical mythology of the show. Way more than the spook of the week that the occult typically brings.

I've seen last season, but I didn't pick up on the whole Chuck/God thing. Was there a point at which it was given away?I don't know if Chuck was intended to actually be "God," but the character certainly can be construed as such.
The creator of the World of Supernatural?
Hmmm......

My question is can Cas survive after THE MAN (assuming he exists right now in Supernatural) finds out he is The Usurper?

The Big Man of the Old Testament was a very, very jealous God.;)

The Big Man of the Old Testament was a very, very jealous God.;)

Which would be proof that "he" ain't really what "he" says he is. Anything capable of creating "everything" has no reason to be jealous of anything or care what you, I, or humanity as whole does. We are less than gnats in comparison to such a creature. I'm amazed that so many people can't seem to apply even the simplest of logic tests to the subject. ;) :)

But I digress ....

Which would be proof that "he" ain't really what "he" says he is. Anything capable of creating "everything" has no reason to be jealous of anything or care what you, I, or humanity as whole does. We are less than gnats in comparison to such a creature. I'm amazed that so many people can't seem to apply even the simplest of logic tests to the subject. ;) :)
No argument here.;)

Supernatural The Complete Second Season was released yesterday. Now season 1-5 are available in glorious 1080p. I highly recommend this as a double dip. There are Blu-ray exclusive extras and even with the best video processor, you cannot beat the picture of BD.

I am very excited about having the complete set in Blu-ray. Get yours today!

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Well, here we go! Sam and Dean try to save Castiel (God). I hope that this season is better than last year, which I felt took a step back. I still think it's one of the best genre shows onTV.

Well, here we go! Sam and Dean try to save Castiel (God). I hope that this season is better than last year, which I felt took a step back. I still think it's one of the best genre shows onTV.

Last year was odd for me. I don't think it took a step back per se...

What I think was that they introduced a BUNCH of cool potential stuff, and then left a lot of it dangling.

I wish more had been done with Grandpa... more on the original monsters... and definitely more regarding Eve. A whole lot of cool potential stuff just sort of fizzled and they went in a different direction... but I still enjoyed the season.

Supernatural The Complete Second Season was released yesterday. Now season 1-5 are available in glorious 1080p. I highly recommend this as a double dip. There are Blu-ray exclusive extras and even with the best video processor, you cannot beat the picture of BD.

I am very excited about having the complete set in Blu-ray. Get yours today!

The season 6 blu-ray set have DTS-HD MA & AVC video encoding. Fringe season 3 got the same lossless audio upgrade. Probably the other WB TV blu-rays got the upgrade but these are the only ones I have personal experience with.

Last year was odd for me. I don't think it took a step back per se...

What I think was that they introduced a BUNCH of cool potential stuff, and then left a lot of it dangling.

I wish more had been done with Grandpa... more on the original monsters... and definitely more regarding Eve. A whole lot of cool potential stuff just sort of fizzled and they went in a different direction... but I still enjoyed the season.

Yes, I think we might be saying the same thing. It just felt a little disjointed to me. Still, plenty of good episodes.

Yes, I think we might be saying the same thing. It just felt a little disjointed to me. Still, plenty of good episodes.

I just started last night re-watching last season on Blu-ray... The release didn't come out in time for me to properly get through it in time for tomorrow night's new episode... still, I think it is so far (only 3 episodes in) holding up better the 2nd time around.

I just started last night re-watching last season on Blu-ray... The release didn't come out in time for me to properly get through it in time for tomorrow night's new episode... still, I think it is so far (only 3 episodes in) holding up better the 2nd time around.

Damn! I forgot it came out last week. I don't know why they wait until the last minute. They really should give us some time to watch the shows. Seems like you have to watch 4 a night to get through the season.

Damn! I forgot it came out last week. I don't know why they wait until the last minute. They really should give us some time to watch the shows. Seems like you have to watch 4 a night to get through the season.

Yeah... they make it tough. I bought it Tuesday along with Fringe from the previous week... but also bought Thor (haven't watched yet) and then Friday got Star Wars and X-Men First Class...

I wanted to watch the Star Wars movies first... and then mentally flipped a coin and decided to re-watch Supernatural before Fringe.

I miss the times when the previous season releases used to come out a little earlier and I had time to watch them as a lead-up to the new season.

Last season wasn't bad in particular just a lot more uneven and less focused than the past few seasons. The build up to the finale in particular fell kinda flat to me. Having said that I think what happened in the finale sets up some interesting possibilities for this season. It is still better than most sci-fi/horror shows on tv.

I think the problem with last season was that we weren't clued in to the "Soulless Sam" plot line early enough. If we had it would have played a bit better in my opinion. I'm looking forward to seeing in on TNT in a few weeks to see if it comes together better the second time around.

Last season wasn't bad in particular just a lot more uneven and less focused than the past few seasons. The build up to the finale in particular fell kinda flat to me. Having said that I think what happened in the finale sets up some interesting possibilities for this season. It is still better than most sci-fi/horror shows on tv.

I Definitely agree. Every once in a while I pop in the Season 5 episode when it is revealed that the Trickster is really Gabriel. Nutcracker!

I Definitely agree. Every once in a while I pop in the Season 5 episode when it is revealed that the Trickster is really Gabriel. Nutcracker!

That's one of my all time favorite Supernatural episodes. I miss the Trickster. I hope they bring him back this season. They can just say he faked his death. I'll buy any explanation of how he survived, no matter how flimsy,:o just to have his character back.

I'm hoping this season will be a little more tightly focused than last season. I don't want to see major plot lines introduced, only to be left forgotten and unresolved. For instance, what happened to all the Heaven's Weapons that Castiel collected?

I'm hoping that Cas survives this season. I would like to see him redeemed. Maybe have the real God, Chuck (or whoever it is), show up, and nerf Castiel. Cas has said on more than one occasion, that if Sam and Dean die, he'll just bring them back to life. The show needs to take away that insurance policy to bring back a sense of real danger towards Sam and Dean. So maybe God will give Cas a soul and make him mortal, or he'll severely weaken Cas' powers.

Bottom line, I don't want to see Cas get ganked. I really like the way his character has evolved and developed over the seasons. To kill him now would feel like a waste of all that growth. Plus, Supernatural has killed enough side characters already.

In the short term, I think I'll enjoy seeing Cas as a vengeful, jealous, old Testament god. I was kinda surprised by how quickly Cas demanded to be loved and worshiped in the final episode of season 6. He was corrupted by absolute power pretty quickly. I just hope he mellows out over time. Maybe instead of Sam and Dean stopping Cas, Cas will just become a more benevolent god.

Cas is a revolving door.....

so how is this leviathan thing supposed to be more powerful than "mother" or any other "alpha" creature?

i guess this season will be more about sam and him dealing with the wall coming down...at any rate, just glad to have the show back, since it's one of the few shows that I watch.

In the short term, I think I'll enjoy seeing Cas as a vengeful, jealous, old Testament god.

And when this episode started I was just beginning to enjoy that too. I thought, hey this could be fun seeing God 2.0.

And then it was over. Doesn't get much shorter than barely one episode.

I think this season is going to have the same problem as last season. Introduce what should be a major arc and then finish it off with barely any effort.

They could have stretched the God 2.0 storyline to a few episodes at least, but within the hour they had ditched it completely and resorted to yet another case of a super-powerful old demon in human form. With talk of old ones and leviathans I thought it could have been an opportunity for some Cthulhu-style demons and monsters.

And as much as like Pellegrino I don't really relish more Sam angst, especially with yet another imaginary Harvey-character. Of course that plot could be over and done in two weeks based on what's been happening.

so how is this leviathan thing supposed to be more powerful than "mother" or any other "alpha" creature?

That's the problem with the show not ending at season five. When your big bad is Lucifer and the Four Horsemen where do you go from there?

The show keeps making up these new super powerful beings that really are not that powerful when it comes down to it. This episode we had the potential of at least an equivalent force to Lucifer in Crazy God Cas but that's wrapped already.

I think the show should dial it back and give the arc some more personal and literally down-to-earth quests instead of fighting ever-increasingly ancient but not that threatening super monsters.

I thought it was an excellent season opener. Better than I had hoped for. Death is such an awesome character. I am glad they don't over use him but he makes the show when he is on. I am surprised that they resolved God 2.0 so quickly but I honestly don't mind. I thought it was well done. Now how this new plot line plays out is yet to be seen but for the episode by itself I thought it was great.

I was also disappointed that God 2.0 was resolved within one episode. Even though it was brief, watching Cas clean house, was pretty awesome. I loved the image of all the dead angels in heaven that had opposed Cas. I liked seeing Cas kill the hypocritical priest and the entire campaign office of some politician. When Cas saw the aftermath of what he did, I was like, "Whoops, went a little too far there; didn't you Cas?":eek:

Humor wise, this episode was spot on. I died laughing when Dean gave up on stopping Cas and started watching "Japanese Cartoon Porn" on his laptop.:eek::D I guess this must be the natural evolution of Dean's taste's in porn. "Busty Asian Beauties" is probably too tame for him now.:p;)

I'm hoping that they do something interesting with Sam being tormented by the Devil. Instead of it just being memories from his soul being in Hell, why not up the stakes? Maybe the Devil is actually linked to Sam's soul. And he is trying to use Sam as a portal to escape from Hell. Now that would be interesting.

One thing that was missing from this episode was the Impala. A huge part of the charm of Supernatural is the fact that their always on the road. I hope they're not moving away from that concept this season, to save money.

I enjoyed this episode, but I worry about the direction of Supernatural. Each new big baddy is supposed to be more powerful and dangerous than last season's big bad guy. But it's getting harder to believe. I just don't buy that these Leviathons are more powerful than the Devil. It seems like they're running out of credible threats for Sam and Dean to face.

Perhaps instead of facing a really powerful enemy, they could face a really smart enemy. An enemy that starts out really weak and insignificant. Someone or something that hides in the shadows and is slowly and subtlety corrupting humans to make them evil/his slaves/monsters/etc. And Sam and Dean are unaware of what's going on for most of the season, while this something gains power and influence. And it should be a completely new and made up enemy. I think that would be more interesting than letting Sam and Dean know what they're facing in the first episode of the season. I miss the slow build up that previous seasons of Supernatural used to have.

I would have liked more vengeful God Castiel too... but I can also get that the way this episode was progressing, he would have annihilated most of the world by episode 2... so it couldn't have gone much farther.

I was thinking, though, the more of those old creatures would have escaped and they would have those to deal with while also a guilt-ridden Castiel to mix in along the way...

But it seems they went for a single possession... so we are back to "Castiel" being the bad guy, but apparently not as powerful as God... so... in a weird way it makes no sense. They defeated God 2.0 in a single episode! So... why would the Leviathan possession be more difficult?

I would have liked more vengeful God Castiel too... but I can also get that the way this episode was progressing, he would have annihilated most of the world by episode 2... so it couldn't have gone much farther.

They could have had his powers diminishing over a few episodes as the vessel became more unstable. At the same time it would have allowed us to see more smiting and healing and made two new groups in the show. Fans of Sexy God 2.0 and haters of Smitey God 2.0. That could have opened up some new factions for the boys to fight/team up with.

I'll be glad when Cas is gone !!
All the hype and promos about Cas did nothing but bring in lower ratings which doesn't surprise me *rolleyes*

I think the Cass haters are in the minority.

I think the demise of God 2.0 was premature.
I liked the idea of the show going in a new direction....oh well, still a good episode.

That was a OK episode, this last Friday. It was nice seeing the cop, that's friends with Bobby, again. I liked the line where she calls the doctor "monster face." She was smart to call Bobby. Glad to see she survived.

I can't believe that Cas is dead. And I don't mean that in a "I'm shocked" kind of way. I mean it in the sense that, I'm not buying it. Cas will be back. If he was really dead, there would have been more morning over his death.

The Leviathans seem lame and uninteresting to me. They are super strong, they can possess people, they can copy someone's physical form, and they're hard to kill. Oh, and they open their mouths to show off their cheesy CGI teeth.:rolleyes: There's nothing new about them.

I feel ambivalent about Bobby's place getting burnt down. On one hand I'm upset, because I really liked that set. They've been using it for several seasons now, and I'm going to miss it. On the other hand, I've been annoyed with this season, how Sam and Dean aren't traveling across America, in their Chevy Impala. They seem to be staying put a lot more this season. I hope that Bobby's place burning down, signifies the end of that, and a return to the never ending road trip.

It was nice to see them use Doctor Sexy in the show again. I enjoyed the Devil this week. In particular, I like the scene where he is just casually reading the newspaper.

I really didn't like the fact that Dean called 911. Dean isn't stupid enough to do that. And then he only remembers to tell the paramedics not to go to Soux Falls Hospital, after it's too late.

I still enjoy Supernatural, but it's starting to feel like a CW show. It's lost its sense of danger and realism. It feels like a TV show. Where characters make mistakes and decisions, in order to arrive at certain plot points in the script. The characters aren't as believable as they used to be. But I still enjoy it. So I'll keep watching.

I don't think Cas is dead dead either. It was all too neat and tidy and quick for it to be permanent.

i don't think cas is dead dead either. It was all too neat and tidy and quick for it to be permanent.+1

The Leviathans seem lame and uninteresting to me. They are super strong, they can possess people, they can copy someone's physical form, and they're hard to kill. Oh, and they open their mouths to show off their cheesy CGI teeth.:rolleyes: There's nothing new about them.
I gotta agree.
I hope these aren't the main baddies for the season.

OTOH, they have covered just about everything else out there crawly and creepy.
I know it isn't SUPERNATURAL, but how about Alien Invaders and/or their horrible gods and critters?

Did not like anything about this latest episode and not a fan of the direction they are going. The whole Sam thing in his head was just so bad and boring. Dissapointed so far, hope things turn around.

I can't believe that Cas is dead. And I don't mean that in a "I'm shocked" kind of way. I mean it in the sense that, I'm not buying it. Cas will be back. If he was really dead, there would have been more morning over his death.

I don't know if there would be more mourning or not... but otherwise I agree. I am doubtful that Castiel is gone for good. Seems more likely that either God brings him back again OR one of the Leviathans still is using his form.

The Leviathans seem lame and uninteresting to me. They are super strong, they can possess people, they can copy someone's physical form, and they're hard to kill. Oh, and they open their mouths to show off their cheesy CGI teeth.:rolleyes: There's nothing new about them.

True... but then we had a bunch of seasons of demons doing the same stuff over and over too. IF they do some new things with an old concept, I can be ok with that. I was hoping, though, that more and different things had escaped from Purgatory than just the Leviathans. I suppose that is still possible.

I feel ambivalent about Bobby's place getting burnt down. On one hand I'm upset, because I really liked that set. They've been using it for several seasons now, and I'm going to miss it. On the other hand, I've been annoyed with this season, how Sam and Dean aren't traveling across America, in their Chevy Impala. They seem to be staying put a lot more this season. I hope that Bobby's place burning down, signifies the end of that, and a return to the never ending road trip.

We've only had 2 episodes this season... so not sure how that constitutes "staying put a lot more" this season yet :) But I tend to think that the burning down of Bobby's house means they will be moving around... it also means they probably lost some important journals and stuff too, which will make it harder to fight some things in the near future.

It was nice to see them use Doctor Sexy in the show again. I enjoyed the Devil this week. In particular, I like the scene where he is just casually reading the newspaper.

There is also a door open here... not sure where they are going. The "devil" was trying to convince Sam he was still in hell... but obviously Sam is not. HOWEVER... we don't know for sure yet IF the devil is a hallucination in Sam's fractured mind OR IF there is still a link between Sam & Lucifer.

I guess what I'm saying is... The devil could be in hell but linked to Sam such that the devil Sam sees isn't just a hallucination of his own making... but rather a hallucination being controlled by Lucifer somehow. That would make things more interesting to me.

I really didn't like the fact that Dean called 911. Dean isn't stupid enough to do that. And then he only remembers to tell the paramedics not to go to Soux Falls Hospital, after it's too late.

Under the circumstances, I'm not sure what Dean should have done exactly. Both of them are seriously injured and Bobby did not answer the phone. There was the season cliffhanger years back where Sam, Dean, and Dad got hit by the truck driven by the demon... and Sam takes dad + Dean to a hospital. So, if Bobby doesn't answer and all their other closest hunter friends/family are already dead from previous seasons... 911 seems like the only call Dean has left to make.

I thought it was an ok episode but the cliff hanger was good. I am assuming the house was burned down to destroy some piece of evidence they had that could defeat the leviathans and they will spend some time trying to figure out what that was. I also agree that Satan is not a figment of Sam's mind but is still linked somehow from his prison in hell. Maybe through Sam's soul when it was put back.

This is my guess:
In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.~ Isaiah 27:1

So my guess is God will finally come out, when all hope is lost and smite these things back to purg. THE END

This is my guess:
In that day, the LORD will punish with his sword, his fierce, great and powerful sword, Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; he will slay the monster of the sea.~ Isaiah 27:1

So my guess is God will finally come out, when all hope is lost and smite these things back to purg. THE END

So you expect Chuck to be back at some point ;)? I am still trying to figure out how they can hope to defeat the Leviathan, they predate any semblance of recorded history so they would have nothing to go on. Unless they try to get Crowley to help or even try to bind Death again...

So you expect Chuck to be back at some point ;)? I am still trying to figure out how they can hope to defeat the Leviathan, they predate any semblance of recorded history so they would have nothing to go on. Unless they try to get Crowley to help or even try to bind Death again...

But who says it is hard to kill a Leviathan?

Iron and salt and silver harm/kill all sorts of powerful beings when those things don't hurt humans at all.

So far only a handful of beings (like Lucifer) have proven to be unkillable by any known means.

They also somewhere could have that magic demon-killing knife as well as the Colt... so like a lot of things, the actual killing of the Leviathans could be something simple... the trick will be in finding out what that simple thing is.

They also somewhere could have that magic demon-killing knife as well as the Colt... so like a lot of things, the actual killing of the Leviathans could be something simple... the trick will be in finding out what that simple thing is.

How about the weapons from Heaven that Cas had collected? I think they should try to find some of those.

But who says it is hard to kill a Leviathan?

Iron and salt and silver harm/kill all sorts of powerful beings when those things don't hurt humans at all.

So far only a handful of beings (like Lucifer) have proven to be unkillable by any known means.

They also somewhere could have that magic demon-killing knife as well as the Colt... so like a lot of things, the actual killing of the Leviathans could be something simple... the trick will be in finding out what that simple thing is.

True, but I think it says something that rather than smite them God just locked them up in purgatory... But on the other hand Lucifer did say that there were only a few things in existence that colt couldn't killl...

How about the weapons from Heaven that Cas had collected? I think they should try to find some of those.

But the only beings that knew where they were are dead...

True, but I think it says something that rather than smite them God just locked them up in purgatory... But on the other hand Lucifer did say that there were only a few things in existence that colt couldn't killl...

I don't think God locked anyone in Purgatory... the impression I got was that all of those monsters went to Purgatory automatically when they died. God may have had a hand in that decision... but it sounds like he isn't consciously sending them there per se.

Assuming Lucifer wasn't lying (and we all know about assuming) I think he said something like he was one of 5 things the Colt wouldn't kill... I suppose a Leviathan could be another of those 5 things... but we know Lucifer is, and we assume God would be... so that leaves only 3 things.

I don't think God locked anyone in Purgatory... the impression I got was that all of those monsters went to Purgatory automatically when they died. God may have had a hand in that decision... but it sounds like he isn't consciously sending them there per se.

Assuming Lucifer wasn't lying (and we all know about assuming) I think he said something like he was one of 5 things the Colt wouldn't kill... I suppose a Leviathan could be another of those 5 things... but we know Lucifer is, and we assume God would be... so that leaves only 3 things.

From what I understood, Death told Cas that God put them in purgatory before he created man because their appetite was insatiable and he was afraid they would destroy his new creation...

And as far as Lucifer telling the boys that there were only five things that the colt couldn't kill I just assumed that the five were (in no particular order) God, Lucifer, Death, Michael, and one other unknown being.

From what I understood, Death told Cas that God put them in purgatory before he created man because their appetite was insatiable and he was afraid they would destroy his new creation...

Maybe I missed that, and we are both right... Maybe God locked up all the old monsters and created Purgatory... but then newer monsters have gone there after dying. I know at least one of the Alphas specifically mentioned last season about where monsters go when they die.

And as far as Lucifer telling the boys that there were only five things that the colt couldn't kill I just assumed that the five were (in no particular order) God, Lucifer, Death, Michael, and one other unknown being.

That makes sense... God is a no-brainer, and I thought about Michael as well as Lucifer... that makes sense... and Death should have come to my mind.

So... what are the odds that the Leviathans are the one other thing that the Colt can't kill? IF they use that trick now, it puts a limit on follow-on seasons since we would "know" that the Colt could kill anything else they encounter after this season... so my money is on them holding that trick.

Although... when I think about it... since they had to find Phoenix ash for Eve... that sort of implied that maybe the Colt wouldn't have worked on her? Then again, I completely lost track of where the Colt is these days!

Maybe I missed that, and we are both right... Maybe God locked up all the old monsters and created Purgatory... but then newer monsters have gone there after dying. I know at least one of the Alphas specifically mentioned last season about where monsters go when they die.



That makes sense... God is a no-brainer, and I thought about Michael as well as Lucifer... that makes sense... and Death should have come to my mind.

So... what are the odds that the Leviathans are the one other thing that the Colt can't kill? IF they use that trick now, it puts a limit on follow-on seasons since we would "know" that the Colt could kill anything else they encounter after this season... so my money is on them holding that trick.

Although... when I think about it... since they had to find Phoenix ash for Eve... that sort of implied that maybe the Colt wouldn't have worked on her? Then again, I completely lost track of where the Colt is these days!

I guess I'll have to rethink this one too as I thought the 5 were Lucifer and the 4 Horseman. I didn't think Lucifer was even thinking about God since he's, well, God.

I guess I'll have to rethink this one too as I thought the 5 were Lucifer and the 4 Horseman. I didn't think Lucifer was even thinking about God since he's, well, God.

That's why in the back of my mind I keep hedging... Lucifer could have been lying about there only being 5... I don't know why he would lie about that, but like you said... the other horsemen make sense too, not just Death... but we can count more than 5 that make sense too easily.

I kind of knew where this episode was going... and I don't mean that in a bad way... it's just, knowing the characters after 6 seasons... you could kind of see where it was headed.

HOWEVER...

I don't understand Dean's motivation really.

When you think about it... he accomplished nothing. In theory he was cleaning up Sam's mess... but in reality he just made the mess worse.

The original girl wanted to be good, and tried to be good and only fell off the wagon when her son was in trouble... there was a shot that maybe she was raising her son the same way and that she was telling the truth.

BUT...

Dean ensured the son has a grudge, and possibly no reason to be good since he saw what that got his mom in the end... so Dean didn't fix the mess, and may have made it worse down the road.

So... I kind of don't get why Dean would even go there unless he was prepared to off both of them. IF he knew he couldn't kill the kid (and I get why)... then he would have been smarter to leave it alone.

Meanwhile...

One thing I kind of like about this season... is the turning of the tables... with Sam, Dean, Bobby, and other hunters being on the run. First time they've had a bad guy know all their secrets and hunt them. I kind of hope they keep that plot going for a while. It will keep them and viewers on their toes.

I kind of knew where this episode was going... and I don't mean that in a bad way... it's just, knowing the characters after 6 seasons... you could kind of see where it was headed.

HOWEVER...

I don't understand Dean's motivation really.

When you think about it... he accomplished nothing. In theory he was cleaning up Sam's mess... but in reality he just made the mess worse.

The original girl wanted to be good, and tried to be good and only fell off the wagon when her son was in trouble... there was a shot that maybe she was raising her son the same way and that she was telling the truth.

BUT...

Dean ensured the son has a grudge, and possibly no reason to be good since he saw what that got his mom in the end... so Dean didn't fix the mess, and may have made it worse down the road.

So... I kind of don't get why Dean would even go there unless he was prepared to off both of them. IF he knew he couldn't kill the kid (and I get why)... then he would have been smarter to leave it alone.

Meanwhile...

One thing I kind of like about this season... is the turning of the tables... with Sam, Dean, Bobby, and other hunters being on the run. First time they've had a bad guy know all their secrets and hunt them. I kind of hope they keep that plot going for a while. It will keep them and viewers on their toes.

I couldn't agree with you more!

WTH was Dean thinking in killing her? She was no threat, had a real reason for what she did (any mother would have done the same to save her son) and had years of leading a good life in proof of her claim.

This was totally out of character for Dean!

I cannot understand the motivation here. He has never done this type of killing before. Gratuitous killing is just not his style.

Dean was projecting his insecurities about Sam's current condition on her.

He can't deal with Sam with being broken long term and just "managing" his condition. He wants "the other shoe" to drop, for them to find a solution, and then move past it. The idea that Sam will always be half crazy and just be riding the edge of falling apart completely isn't sitting well with him.

So, he convinced himself that she couldn't possibly manage her situation long term and that eventually she would kill again. Because of that, there was a clear solution to the problem that he was able to act on. He's not getting that with Sam right now so it's seeking it out elsewhere.

Didn't care for the episode. I did like the Dr. Who Reference though!

I couldn't agree with you more!

WTH was Dean thinking in killing her? She was no threat, had a real reason for what she did (any mother would have done the same to save her son) and had years of leading a good life in proof of her claim.

This was totally out of character for Dean!

I cannot understand the motivation here. He has never done this type of killing before. Gratuitous killing is just not his style.

No He did do it before, the Phoenix from last season. Guy was taking revenge of what they did to his wife (same as Dean would do) and he killed him.

Maybe everyone is watching Sam but Dean has some changes in the works?

Episode was meh, Dean seemed uncharacteristically cold in offing the Mom. Didn't they let a vampire live because she didn't want to kill and had found a way to manage it?

Also have to point out the clerk at the convenience store wearing a Batman: Under the Red Hood shirt, Jensen Ackles voiced Jason Todd in that movie, very cool easter egg. Also the "My Bloodiest Valentine 3D" reference gave me a chuckle..

HOWEVER...

I don't understand Dean's motivation really.

When you think about it... he accomplished nothing. In theory he was cleaning up Sam's mess... but in reality he just made the mess worse.

The original girl wanted to be good, and tried to be good and only fell off the wagon when her son was in trouble... there was a shot that maybe she was raising her son the same way and that she was telling the truth.

BUT...

Dean ensured the son has a grudge, and possibly no reason to be good since he saw what that got his mom in the end... so Dean didn't fix the mess, and may have made it worse down the road.

So... I kind of don't get why Dean would even go there unless he was prepared to off both of them. IF he knew he couldn't kill the kid (and I get why)... then he would have been smarter to leave it alone.
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Dean was projecting his insecurities about Sam's current condition on her.

He can't deal with Sam with being broken long term and just "managing" his condition. He wants "the other shoe" to drop, for them to find a solution, and then move past it. The idea that Sam will always be half crazy and just be riding the edge of falling apart completely isn't sitting well with him.

So, he convinced himself that she couldn't possibly manage her situation long term and that eventually she would kill again. Because of that, there was a clear solution to the problem that he was able to act on. He's not getting that with Sam right now so it's seeking it out elsewhere.Dean was right...when do the creatures in Supernatural's world stayed cured of killing humans?
All the things he has done and seen tells him there is no other solution.

The kid?
Does anyone REALLY think Dean (or Sam) can ever be shown deliberately killing a "child?";)

Dean was right...when do the creatures in Supernatural's world stayed cured of killing humans?
All the things he has done and seen tells him there is no other solution.

The kid?
Does anyone REALLY think Dean (or Sam) can ever be shown deliberately killing a "child?";)

Like I said... I know why he didn't kill the kid... but it completely shoots his reason for killing the mother... that's how this mess started... Sam didn't kill the little girl... she grows up and has a kid... Dean kills that woman, but leaves her son.

I don't want to see Dean down that path... but honestly, he should have thought it through... if he wasn't prepared to off the kid, then there was no point in offing the mother.

Now the kid has no mother to bring him food... so he will have to go out on his own... and now has a grudge building... it can only be bad.

Someone else brought up that Dean isn't thinking clearly, because of Sam... so I am buying that version... as it is the only way it makes sense for Dean to half-ass a clean-up of a job Sam half-assed years ago :)

Dean's actions really turned me off. Have to agree it's out of character. Only reason I see it as a plot point is to set something up later in the season, like Dean getting changed and having to deal with it. Dean as a vamp might work, but they almost did that last season, Only other creature that can be managed I can thin of is werewolf, ala Vampire Diaries. That would certainly change the dynamic of Sam and Dean.

if he wasn't prepared to off the kid, then there was no point in offing the mother.But there WAS...at any moment (from Dean's POV) she could have re-started her killing.
There was no way for him to know when that would be.
Like I said before, the monsters always kill again...at some point.


Now the kid has no mother to bring him food... so he will have to go out on his own... and now has a grudge building... it can only be bad.
Someone else brought up that Dean isn't thinking clearly, because of Sam... so I am buying that version... as it is the only way it makes sense for Dean to half-ass a clean-up of a job Sam half-assed years ago :)If Dean had killed the kid, the fans would have went bonkers.;)

But there WAS...at any moment (from Dean's POV) she could have re-started her killing.
There was no way for him to know when that would be.
Like I said before, the monsters always kill again...at some point.


If Dean had killed the kid, the fans would have went bonkers.;)

You're missing the key point though... everything that Dean applies to reason for killing the mother, applies equally to the kid... and he knows from Sam's letting the mother go as a kid this to be 100% true.

Therefore, Dean has no logical reason to go there and kill the mother but let the kid go. IF he doesn't have the stomach to kill the kid monster, he should have stayed away.

That's all I'm saying.

You're missing the key point though... everything that Dean applies to reason for killing the mother, applies equally to the kid... and he knows from Sam's letting the mother go as a kid this to be 100% true.

Therefore, Dean has no logical reason to go there and kill the mother but let the kid go. IF he doesn't have the stomach to kill the kid monster, he should have stayed away.

That's all I'm saying.I agree with your logic and wouldn't argue with it in the least bit.

I was only commenting on the what-is-appropriate-behavior-for-TV-heroes rule.;)

Critic's Notes
The CW signs up with Netflix
By Jeff Labrecque, EW.com's 'Inside TV' Blog - October 13th, 2011

CBS Corporation and Warner Bros. Television Group have signed a four-year deal with Netflix that will allow its customers to instantly watch more than 700 hours of previous seasons of scripted series that currently air on The CW, including episodes of Ringer, Hart of Dixie, The Secret Circle, The Vampire Diaries, Gossip Girl, 90210, Supernatural, Nikita, and One Tree Hill.

“This is a forward-thinking agreement … that opens a new door for The CW programming to expand its audience reach through the terrific Netflix service, and creates a brand-new window for CBS and Warner Bros. to be paid for the content we supply the network,” said Leslie Moonves, president and CEO of the CBS Corporation, in a statement.

“We have long admired the CW’s ability to connect so passionately and directly with a very important and difficult to reach demographic,” added Ted Sarandos, chief content officer at Netflix. “This is programming for the on-demand generation and we hope this agreement deepens the relationships viewers already have with these powerful entertainment brands.”

Previous seasons of The Vampire Diaries, Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, and Nikita will be available to watch instantly on Oct. 15, with previous seasons of Supernatural and 90210 beginning in January 2012. Episodes of all scripted series airing on The CW this broadcast season will premiere for Netflix members next fall.

“This agreement is a clear example of why content creators and providers can and will grow stronger through technology partnerships tailored to the consumer,” said Bruce Rosenblum, President, Warner Bros. Television Group, in a statement. “It extends our traditional syndication windows with a strong, additive revenue play perfect for serialized dramas, and portends even greater growth opportunities for our studio as we continue to explore and define the marketplace.”

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/10/13/the-cw-signs-up-with-netflix/

I agree with your logic and wouldn't argue with it in the least bit.

I was only commenting on the what-is-appropriate-behavior-for-TV-heroes rule.;)

I agree with you on this point... I get why Dean wouldn't kill a kid, and we all get why the network wouldn't want a show where the hero kills a kid! Heck, even the bad guys don't usually kill kids, at least not on screen.

I think the smarter way for this episode would have been for Dean to catch up to Sam earlier... and follow him and try to kill the mother only to have Sam step in and save her and explain everything. That way Dean gets to go in guns blazing BUT be stopped and talked out of it by Sam.

Then if they wanted to kill the mother... and you know, not that I think of it... it could still sort of be possible... they could have had a Leviathan do it... they were tracking Sam + Dean after all.... and a Leviathan disguised as Dean killing the mom and pissing off the kid would make sense... but I bet that's not what happened.

... they could have had a Leviathan do it... they were tracking Sam + Dean after all.... and a Leviathan disguised as Dean killing the mom and pissing off the kid would make sense... but I bet that's not what happened.

Yep, I confess that the above theory crossed my mind as well.

I picked up season six and am just about done watching it. On second viewing this season isn't as bad as I thought. I loved the episode where Balthazar sent them into an alternate universe and they played Jared and Jenson, with Jared married to "fake Ruby". Misha (Cas) was funny as he tweeted everything.

I forgot that Cas did a memory wipe of Lisa and Ben.

Not up to the previous season, but really not bad.

Misha (Cas) was funny as he tweeted everything.

If you are a follower of Misha on Twitter (I am not, I don't care for Twitter)... it's worth noting that Misha actually did Tweet those messages into the real world back when they were filming the episode.

So.. sometime in the summer before season 6, weird Tweets showed up on Misha's Twitter... and then once the episode aired, a light bulb went off for fans who remembered...

Decent episode tonight, Sam seems to be more "Sam" like, hope it stays that way. Back to some easy banter, missed that for a while. They really seem to be playing up Dean's killing last week, no I wonder even more what the pay off will be.


BTW, Season 6 Starts running on TNT Monday at 10 AM, looking forward to rewatching it and see if it play better the second time around when we know what is going on.

Great episode last night. This is the Supernatural I remember from seasons 1-5. I like that there weren't any easy answers for Dean. As the years have gone on, he has become more and more consumed by guilt. He's also drinking a lot more heavily, to forget his troubles.

It was sad to see Dean so willing to die at the hands of Jo. During his trial, you could tell he felt he deserved to die. I like the contrast between Sam and Dean emotionally. While Dean is still consumed by guilt, Sam has managed to finally be at peace with his past.

Side note: where was Jo, before Osiris brought her to court? Was she in heaven, or was she just wandering around as a ghost?

In the Supernatural universe, it seems like there's a definite reward and punishment system in place for humans. Heaven and Hell. But I have to ask, what's the point of being a good monster? When Dean killed Amy Pond last week, does she get to go to heaven? Or does she just get dumped into purgatory, like all the other monsters? It seems to me, that becoming a monster (vampire, werewolf, zombie, etc.) effects your body, and not your soul. Case in point, Dean recovered from being a vampire. So when monsters die, shouldn't their souls go off to heaven or hell, instead of purgatory? And we don't even know what purgatory is like. Do the monsters there get to eat imaginary humans all day? Or are they being punished somehow? I'd like to see purgatory more fleshed out in future episodes.

I am not completely clear on the version of the mythology that Supernatural is employing... but there could be an answer to your purgatory question.

In some beliefs... everyone goes to purgatory for judgment... and you might quickly ascend to heaven or descend to hell from there... OR you might stay in purgatory forever.

Purgatory is also sometimes where vengeful spirits are until they let go of their past to enable them to be judged and move on in the afterlife.

So... I had theorized last season that controlling purgatory might mean control of all souls IF it were a universal gateway...

But it isn't clear of Supernatural is going that way.. IF they are, then that answers your "what about good monsters" question, because a good monster could be judged and redeemed...

BUT... if they are using purgatory simply as a monster repository... then there might be no way out for a good monster.

I am more interested in monster-hunting than purgatory.
The whole Heaven/Hell thing has been given way too much attention during these last few years of the series IMO.

Let's move the show in a different direction.
And put Cass, that boring angst-ridden angel, to rest already.
Geez, I sick of that character.

I think you're right HDMe2. It would make sense that Purgatory is a gateway universe. I remember Cas telling Crowley (King of Hell) that he now controls the flow of souls and that he would decide where each soul goes.

I think you're right HDMe2. It would make sense that Purgatory is a gateway universe. I remember Cas telling Crowley (King of Hell) that he now controls the flow of souls and that he would decide where each soul goes.

I think this is spot on for the Supernatural universe, which makes sense, as the writers have taken quite a bit from Catholic beliefs, which believes in Purgatory.

FWIW, I really enjoyed this last episode, was nice to see they found a way to bring Jo back into an episode. Nice job.

And yeah, I'm liking this Sam a lot better than sulking Sam.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer alert! Charisma Carpenter(Cordelia) and James Marsters(Spike) are guest starring in this weeks' episode.

That brings the number to 4 from BtVS that have guested on Supernatural. Amber Benson (Tara) played Lenore, the leader of a vampire nest, and Mercedes McNab (Harmony) played Lucy, a vampire.

Buffy the Vampire Slayer alert! Charisma Carpenter(Cordelia) and James Marsters(Spike) are guest starring in this weeks' episode.

That brings the number to 4 from BtVS that have guested on Supernatural. Amber Benson (Tara) played Lenore, the leader of a vampire nest, and Mercedes McNab (Harmony) played Lucy, a vampire.

I loved this eps! Spike and Cordey were fantastic as the war-ing married witches! Great to see them both again and hope this spurts a spin-off for them.

That brings the number to 4 from BtVS that have guested on Supernatural. Amber Benson (Tara) played Lenore, the leader of a vampire nest, and Mercedes McNab (Harmony) played Lucy, a vampire.Many more than that---here's a list (http://www.buddytv.com/slideshows/supernatural/supernatural-and-the-whedonverse-20-stars-whove-crossed-over-72058.aspx) of 20 Whedonverse actors who have appeared on Supernatural (I think I counted 12 who have worked on Buffy...)

OK, many of them played minor roles on Buffy, but you definitely forgot Julie Benz (Darla)...

you definitely forgot Julie Benz (Darla)...There isn't a chance in hell purgatory I could EVER forget Darla....:p

Many more than that---here's a list (http://www.buddytv.com/slideshows/supernatural/supernatural-and-the-whedonverse-20-stars-whove-crossed-over-72058.aspx) of 20 Whedonverse actors who have appeared on Supernatural (I think I counted 12 who have worked on Buffy...)

OK, many of them played minor roles on Buffy, but you definitely forgot Julie Benz (Darla)...
Well, I guess I blew that one!

Finally got a chance to watch this week's episode.

I loved the name of the company on the port-a-john at the construction site:

"BM Disposals"

I was a bit disappointed, though, when Sam and Dean showed up at the gallery. Dean's "cleanup in aisle 7" line would have been funnier if he had said "cleanup in aisle 666".

Overall, a good episode, though.

Next week's looks interesting...apparently a "Grind House" thing going on...

I am surprised at how well they do the occasional "comedy" episode. Few shows can pull it off well, and with the subject matter of Supernatural, you would think it would be very difficult, but they managed to make it work.

Charisma Carpenter's character (name?) certainly wasn't too upset when her overly sycophant assistant was decapitated.

To the experts .. Do you think the CW will renew SPN again ? I keep reading how it has slipped and there is concern about it renewal chances now :(

To the experts .. Do you think the CW will renew SPN again ?
Semi-
Pro
Nudes?

I thought it was going a bit downhill since Kim Manner's passed away. That's when it wandered off into the Biblical realm. I do think they've done a fairly good job of making keeping it interesting and not just a paycheck. But the concept lends itself to innovation and having fun with story lines. And why doesn't Dean weigh 300 pounds the kind of stuff he likes to eat? :D

And why doesn't Dean weigh 300 pounds the kind of stuff he likes to eat? :D

You do notice how they are constantly on the run and fighting demons and stuff, right? I'm sure that burns calories.

I've always like the show, but at this point I think it's time to wrap it up. Kind of getting into retread area.

Kind of getting into retread area.

I noticed that too....:(

Yea it has been good lately but it seems to be just going through the motions. I still like it but it is a shell of it's former self. Season 5 was the perfect ending.

Yea it has been good lately but it seems to be just going through the motions. I still like it but it is a shell of it's former self. Season 5 was the perfect ending.

Maybe they're running out of ideas?
I dunno....

By opening up this heaven/hell thing these last few years, Supernatural has kinda boxed itself into a corner (storywise) with where the series can take off from here.

Exactly WHERE do you go now?

Wherever they want ... I love this show and will follow it where/when ever!

Maybe I wasn't paying attention---what happened to their car?

Maybe I wasn't paying attention---what happened to their car?

They still have it under wraps due to the whole Duplicate episode prior. Before they could get it back Sam & Dean split up as it were. Still you would think since a week passed Dean would have gotten is "baby" out of hiding.

Their faces were featured on television multiple times, for multiple horrific killing spree crimes in the previous episode, and now, the only fallout so far is that one psychic thinks she recognizes them to which Sam 'n Dean easily dispel with the, "we get that a lot" excuse?

Perhaps stating that this strains credulity in a show which is centered around the battling of demons/monsters/heaven/hell might be considered a stretch by some, but nevertheless, this badly strains credulity.

(...) this badly strains credulity.Really? The doubles' killing spree was in the West/Midwest, IIRC. This episode happened in upstate NY, I think.

When's the last time that the news showed some pictures of killers? Do you think you'd remember their faces weeks later? Especially if they committed their crimes thousands of miles away?

Oh, please. Surely you jest. Multiple deaths, massacres, caught on videotape with clear images of the perpetrators (as they wanted to be recognized). Those stories would stay in the news for a long time and would get big coverage from coast-to-coast with repeated airings of those videos and still shots of their faces. Get real.

Don't forget this is round 2 for Dean. I seem to remember a shapeshifter doing the same thing and Dean had to fake his death then.

It's called suspension of disbelief for a reason. If you can believe that there are monsters and the God and the Devil exist you kinda have to believe that the "we get that a lot" excuse works...

I get that. Totally. I guess my argument here is that once you've bought into the world of scary supernatural storylines, normal rules or expectations should still apply for the "real world" aspects of life, outside of those evil and bizarre events. Serving as a kind of grounding of normalcy, making the shocking evil stuff more believable because life is otherwise proceeding as expected, and also with plausible consequences whenever those two separate worlds overlap.

So in the case of very high-profile crimes broadcast to the world at large, having Sam 'n Dean move merrily along from town to town soon after, unnoticed by all, strains credulity to the brink. I can still overlook it.. just makes it that much harder for me to buy in. Would it have killed them to get Sam 'n Dean to fly a little more under the radar for the next few episodes by having them disguise themselves? Have Dean grow a mustache and color his hair blonde while Sam grows a beard and gets a buzzcut. It could be quite entertaining to see them going around for a while like this, mocking each other for their new looks. And just wait until Bobby gets an eyeful. :D

Maybe you just watch news a little more closely than the average person. I probably wouldn't notice if I saw Casey Anthony in my local library...

True, I'm sure many people wouldn't recognize her either either because they don't watch tv at all or the news, specifically. Or, they simply wouldn't make the connection from tv to the reality of the person standing before them. But enough people would.

Anyway, I"m coming across here as someone who cares a lot about this issue but I really don't. Just bugged me a little when watching the episode. I've made my point, agree or disagree, it's cool.

I get ya Cruel no worries.

Thanks. :)

Maybe you just watch news a little more closely than the average person. I probably wouldn't notice if I saw Casey Anthony in my local library...

Exactly... that plus they faked their deaths... so law enforcement wouldn't be pursuing them anymore nor would the news keep re-playing the footage of killers who were dead.

We see Charles Manson every now and again because of being alive in prison... but if he had been presumed killed years ago, then popped up somewhere... most people wouldn't still be on the lookout.

So, I'm kind of ok with this one... but IF they kept driving the car with the same license plate... that could be looked-up by law enforcement and tied back to them.

One would think, though, that they could get a new plate for their new fake IDs... and it's not like they owned the only make/model/color of that particular car in the world...

Finally caught up with this. There's still a lot of fun to be had in the small stuff, but the larger mythos and plot devices are treading increasingly familiar ground now.

The Leviathans are pretty unimaginative. Just another version of the demons that were the Big Bad for a few seasons. Really at this point in television lore there should be a moratorium on "beings that take the form of humans" because it's a really lazy excuse for avoiding spending money on FX and makeup.

Surprised nobody in this thread mentioned the Orb of Thesulah making an appearance from the Buffyverse last week.

One would think, though, that they could get a new plate for their new fake IDs... and it's not like they owned the only make/model/color of that particular car in the world...

Well we know they don't. The replicas were driving the same car and left it outside the police station.

I have been enjoying a return to the roots of the show... more ghosts and etc. Like it was in the first seasons. It certainly isn't as epic as seasons 4-5, but I don't really expect them to top that climax.

I think I really hate the leviathans now. Everything about them seems tired and slightly stupid - especially the bleach and eating themselves. Eh, why and what?

I liked the way the last episode segued from another X-File's clone into something more amusing with the sandwich, but the leviathan connection was just boring. It reminded me of several older episodes in which the demon humans were trying to make their own virus and infect the world. This time they were making humans into cattle, but that also felt familiar.

Will Bobby bow out? I was thinking he was getting a lot of screen time this episode and he's already come back from death's door more times than I can remember.

I think I really hate the leviathans now. Everything about them seems tired and slightly stupid - especially the bleach and eating themselves. Eh, why and what?
+1
I could do without them, no question.

But what else can they do now that hasn't been done before?

At this point no arc monsters would be a welcome change.

I'd take a few episodes fighting werewolves, zombies or a vampire clan. The Supernatural vamps were a lot more interesting than a lot of the variations out there. I would rather watch typical MOW classic foes than the arcs which promise supreme evil and omnipotence that are easy to defeat and don't really do much that every other being hasn't already done.

How about fighting some anti-hunters? An ancient occult group whose purpose it is to raise demons and kill hunters? They would even look human so the show could stick with it's budget-saving "all the bad guys have human form" schtick. The had some evil hunters a few seasons ago. Why not expand on that?

Bring up some ancient mythology to hunt for. Lost artifacts, ancient tombs, places of power ... remember all those angel superweapons? What happened to those?

Resurrect some legendary evil human figure to go on an undead killing spree ...

The list is endless really.

... you're hired!

At this point no arc monsters would be a welcome change.

OK, you sir, must come over to my HT and clean the excellent margarita I just spit on to my monitor...:p

What happened to the splash and hack method of attack. (splash with Borax, hack the head off) Bobby was pretty good at a single slash removal swing. Did the episode writer forget to watch the earlier episodes ?

Oh, and keep them in the dark and do everything at night to make set dressing cheap and reduce special effects costs. Never mind that we can't see anything!

How about fighting some anti-hunters? An ancient occult group whose purpose it is to raise demons and kill hunters? They would even look human so the show could stick with it's budget-saving "all the bad guys have human form" schtick. The had some evil hunters a few seasons ago. Why not expand on that?

Bring up some ancient mythology to hunt for. Lost artifacts, ancient tombs, places of power ... remember all those angel superweapons? What happened to those?

Resurrect some legendary evil human figure to go on an undead killing spree ...

The list is endless really.

I like the way you think. How about they have a season where a cult is trying to bring Cthulu into our world?

Or to add on to your second idea, how about having a zombie apocalypse? We already know that Sam and Dean are the best hunters around. So why not even up the odds by having them face overwhelming numbers. Perhaps the legendary evil human figure could be a master necromancer, and he controls the hoards of undead.

Sam and Dean have saved the world too many times. Even Dean said that maybe the world wants to end. I say let it end. A Post Apocalypse setting could really add some life back into the show.

Oh, and keep them in the dark and do everything at night to make set dressing cheap and reduce special effects costs. Never mind that we can't see anything!
Supernatural has NEVER had a big budget; the CW is a fairly small network.


How about they have a season where a cult is trying to bring Cthulu into our world?

Or to add on to your second idea, how about having a zombie apocalypse? We already know that Sam and Dean are the best hunters around. So why not even up the odds by having them face overwhelming numbers. Perhaps the legendary evil human figure could be a master necromancer, and he controls the hoards of undead.

Sam and Dean have saved the world too many times. Even Dean said that maybe the world wants to end. I say let it end. A Post Apocalypse setting could really add some life back into the show.
I dig it.
Please e-mail the show's producers with your ideas...:)

I like the way you think. How about they have a season where a cult is trying to bring Cthulu into our world?

I mentioned that in a post a few pages back. When the Leviathans were introduced that's what I thought they were - "old ones" - so I was disappointed when we got the human-looking enemies again.

There are so many existing mythos and legends to use with cool story possibilities that the ones the show has been using recently seem somewhat lackuster by comparison. I don't think Sera Gamble has the same grasp of the occult and mythology that Kripke did.

That could have been another cliched "all in the mind" episode, but thanks to Jim Beaver it was pretty darned good. One of the best of the season, if not the best. I knew when the closing fade would occur but it still made an impact.

Given the amount of screen time Bobby has received these past few weeks I'm not expecting him to come back. If that happens then Supernatural definitely needs to end this season. There are very few regulars left and Bobby was a huge part and heart of the show. Without him it's going to be a really cold ride.

As for the reaper, was that Chuck the prophet? If so then I don't think it was a reaper at all and the old theory about Chuck being God was true.

As for the reaper, was that Chuck the prophet? If so then I don't think it was a reaper at all and the old theory about Chuck being God was true.

I think it was said that the Reapers take an appearance they believe will be accepted by the nearly departed... So his appearance might nt be important except for what it says about Bobby.

As for the reaper, was that Chuck the prophet? If so then I don't think it was a reaper at all and the old theory about Chuck being God was true.

I think it was him. Looked like he lost some weight.

Best episode of this season then they make us wait a month for the next one.

I think it was said that the Reapers take an appearance they believe will be accepted by the nearly departed... So his appearance might nt be important except for what it says about Bobby.

But Chuck was such an incidental character (did he even meet Bobby?) that his form didn't have much relevance. John Winchester or Ellen from the roadhouse would have been more suitable, or even many of the other hunter characters (or the cop from a few episodes ago) that Bobby used to know.

Seems too much of a random choice to have Chuck.

edit: the Reaper in a Coma didn't make sense either. When Dean was in a coma his spirit was wandering around the hospital and the reaper was in the real world waiting for him. It seems unnecessary to invade the mind when all they do is wait for the body to die and then take the soul directly from the physical body. I figure Chuck/God was there to give Bobby a more respectful exit.

If Bobby goes, look likely, then they need to wrap the show. He was really the counterbalance that is sorely needed. Without him Sam and Dean will be adrift in a big wide world alone. The writers may have something up their sleeve, a new character, or plot device - I'll reserve judgment until I see what happens - but with Bobby gone the show kind of ends for me.

Chuck was played by Rob Benedict

IMDb does not have a listing for who played the reaper tonight, I had an Amber alert crawl across the credits on my screen.

If Bobby goes, look likely, then they need to wrap the show. He was really the counterbalance that is sorely needed. Without him Sam and Dean will be adrift in a big wide world alone. The writers may have something up their sleeve, a new character, or plot device - I'll reserve judgment until I see what happens - but with Bobby gone the show kind of ends for me.

Chuck was played by Rob Benedict

IMDb does not have a listing for who played the reaper tonight, I had an Amber alert crawl across the credits on my screen.

I just checked for that too. If it wasn't Chuck then I'll just pretend I didn't type all of the previous stuff. :D

At this point there is just no way the show could make a replacement for Bobby. Even if they resurrected John Winchester or brought back Mitch Pileggi as a good guy. Bobby might not have been the star but he was a big part of the soul and chemistry of the show.

I think it was him. Looked like he lost some weight.

Best episode of this season then they make us wait a month for the next one.


+1 DON'T KILL BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:eek:

Excellent episode.
Great acting.

SAVE BOBBY!!!!!!

Bobby is a key figure... Hard to imagine the show without him. I wonder, IF that was God lending a hand if maybe that means Bobby could die but come back as something else.

Bobby is a key figure... Hard to imagine the show without him. I wonder, IF that was God lending a hand if maybe that means Bobby could die but come back as something else.

Could become a ghost...a connection to the other side for the boys to use.

Bobby is a key figure... Hard to imagine the show without him.

Agree.

Paging Castiel...paging Castiel.

The reaper last night was played by Henri Lubatti, (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0523825/) most folks would probably remember him from his role as a terrorist in Showtime's Sleeper Cell. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465353/)

Agree.

Paging Castiel...paging Castiel.
The boys could really have used his help lately...;)

The reaper last night was played by Henri Lubatti, (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0523825/) most folks would probably remember him from his role as a terrorist in Showtime's Sleeper Cell. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0465353/)

Aha, that means Chuck is still just a prophet!

Now Henry Lubatti is possibly God. :D

I actually yelled "NO NO NO" at the tv at the end of the show. I'm not sure how they get out of this one, but in Supernatural anything's possible. Good to see Rufus again.

Wow, that's it? Major character possibly dead and only a few posts. I guess the interest in Supernatural has really fallen off this season.

Did this thread ever get that much attention anyway?

I was fine with Bobby leaving. Especially if this is indeed the last season. The beginning of the "let's wrap this series up" process. I'll be interested to watch "the boys" mental state as they go about the process of carrying on without him.

Did this thread ever get that much attention anyway?

I was fine with Bobby leaving. Especially if this is indeed the last season. The beginning of the "let's wrap this series up" process. I'll be interested to watch "the boys" mental state as they go about the process of carrying on without him.

I don't think that this is the last season. The ratings put it in the top of the cw shows. Most of the pundits I have read think that the show will be back unless the actors call it quits.

Oh.

well then, "Bobby!, please don't leave me, Bobby!" ;)

I don't think that this is the last season. The ratings put it in the top of the cw shows. Most of the pundits I have read think that the show will be back unless the actors call it quits.

i just hope they finish up while the ideas are still somewhat fresh..we've already been through multiple deaths for the main characters and resurrections.

that being said, this episode was nothing short of great. probably the best episode since anything we had in season 5.

that being said, this episode was nothing short of great. probably the best episode since anything we had in season 5.

Best episode this year; that's for sure.

Very good episode.
Good acting, got more background on Bobby.
Felt the impact of Dean realizing what Bobby truly means to him.

Heads up! New episode tonight.

Heads up! New episode tonight.

Oh YEAH!:)

Looking forward to it!

Same here!

Who drank the beer? Bobby was never a beer drinker....

As I've said before, they either need to wrap up the show, or introduce a bunch of continuing characters. They have killed off every character that had continuity on the show. Yeah, in that world it might happen, but it also sucks.

Who drank the beer? Bobby was never a beer drinker...I thought he did have (at times) brew with the boys...:confused:


introduce a bunch of continuing characters.
I think that is EXACTLY what happened tonite.;)

I cried when Booby died.

Maybe someone can resurrect him like they done with the heroes.

lol

Who drank the beer? Bobby was never a beer drinker....

As I've said before, they either need to wrap up the show, or introduce a bunch of continuing characters. They have killed off every character that had continuity on the show. Yeah, in that world it might happen, but it also sucks.

Bobby definitely had a beer with the boys now and then. I think after Sam went to hell is when he really switched to the bottle of rotgut.

If they do start introducing new characters, I hope they're not like that Frank guy last night. I think he was just there to forward the story.

I thought the beginning section "Then" that showed Cas meant that he was going to be resurrected but that didn't happen.

Good episode though. Nice use of "Dear Mister Fantasy" by Traffic at the end. Dean's face went through 100 emotions during that segment.

I thought he did have (at times) brew with the boys...:confused:



I think that is EXACTLY what happened tonite.;)

+1 with the guy in the trailer. Might be interesting (MISS BOBBY:()

Watched some old episodes last night too... Had forgotten the whole thing about Angels and their vessels being a bloodline thing... Like Michael could possess John in the past, wanted Dean but settled for their surprise brother... Lucifer got Sam of course... But Castiel had Jimmy's daughter in that episode where Castiel was cast out from human vessel Jimmy... So one neat way to bring Castiel back would be through her.

I thought the beginning section "Then" that showed Cas meant that he was going to be resurrected but that didn't happen.I'm glad he wasn't...was really tired of the character.


Good episode though. Nice use of "Dear Mister Fantasy" by Traffic at the end. Dean's face went through 100 emotions during that segment.Excellent acting.:)


+1 with the guy in the trailer. Might be interesting (MISS BOBBY:()Yeah, me too.

The latest episode was excellent.
Dean's unravelling adds drama to the proceedings.
Yes, yes he will hit a wall soon....

I got 5 bucks that says Bobby will make a re-appearance sometime soon...;)

They didn't show us the "decision" Bobby made... essentially given the choice of going to heaven OR "haunting" the boys... maybe it is to be revealed that Bobby decided to "haunt" the boys and try and help them some more before moving on...

I don't know, I just not feeling it any more. The elements were all there, but something still feel off to me. Sam killing Dean's daughter is supposed be the pay off the Dean's earlier killing? I think it would have played better without that setup.

This show has definitely lost a lot in my opinion. It use to be event television for us, now when we watch it I find myself getting distracted easily. It just doesn't hold my attention like it use to. They don't have a compelling over-arching story like in past episodes except for the leviathans and that seems to be going nowhere fast.

This show has definitely lost a lot in my opinion. It use to be event television for us, now when we watch it I find myself getting distracted easily. It just doesn't hold my attention like it use to. They don't have a compelling over-arching story like in past episodes except for the leviathans and that seems to be going nowhere fast.

I think you've nailed the issue. Currently there is no "end of the world" arc that is compelling. I thought the second half of season 2 and then seasons 3-5 developed incredible arcs which then allowed the writers to mix in standalone episodes that basically kept the main arc fresh when they came back to it.

The whole leviathan story is just tedious.

Currently there is no "end of the world" arc that is compelling. The whole leviathan story is just tedious.I think the leviathans will become the EotW arc.;)

You know I bounce back and forth about the arc thing. The 2-5 arc was so well done and masterful that I don't think they could really top it. I am looking at the rest of the show as a kind of gravy... it isn't as epic, but still enjoyable.

I still like the show. But between the elimination of quite a few characters (Bobby, Cass, Trickster, all of the Roadhouse crew, Rufus, etc...) and the lack of a good arc the show is kind of just meandering down the road without any clear cut direction.

I still like the show. But between the elimination of quite a few characters (Bobby, Cass, Trickster, all of the Roadhouse crew, Rufus, etc...) and the lack of a good arc the show is kind of just meandering down the road without any clear cut direction.

I miss some of those characters too.
But in a show with a story like this there IS going to be casualties....;)

Honestly, while not being as good, this season feels more like season one.

Season 1 was about the hunt for the yellow-eyed demon... but week-to-week it was about a monster-of-the-week scenario.

This year we have leviathans... but each week is a new monster hunt.

Personally, upping the ante with each season of apocalypse arcs becomes harder and harder to trump... so I'm actually ok with toning that part down a bit this season.

Personally, upping the ante with each season of apocalypse arcs becomes harder and harder to trump... so I'm actually ok with toning that part down a bit this season.
I would like to see where, ultimately, Sam and Dean Winchester "fit" in the whole scheme of demons, monsters, devils, and gods over the long run.

It would be nice to go into that during its final season (whenever that is).

I love this show. It seems like it can do no wrong. I don't know if that's a good or bad thing, but I enjoy it. I was so upset about Bobby, but he's obviously coming back as a ghost, so we'll see him again. Cass will be back at some point. Still bummed about some other characters like the lady hunters, but what are you going to do. As said above, there have to be casualties.

I agree, this does feel a lot like Season 1, which isn't a bad thing.

And I too miss some of the characters that have been killed off: Ruby (the first one), Lilith (the little girl), and of course Jo. The writers actually did a good job of bringing back Jo earlier in the season as a ghost.

CW will keep this show going for as long as possible.

They should end it though after a couple more seasons.

What else is there to fight?

The way this series is produced it could continue on for some time. I think they have fun making it and getting away from the religious themes to the occult gives them plenty of fascinating material. I can tire of a series easily but haven't of this one. Part of it too is they don't take themselves seriously.

I thought last week's episode about the daughters' killing of their fathers was one of the best ever. Should have been a two parter so the boys could have confronted the "amazons".

I thought last week was so boring that I actually fell asleep half way through.

This season definitely has a season one vibe but with diminishing amounts of humor and inventiveness. The last episode was a case in point. Every new mythological being that Gamble has introduced has been lazy and unoriginal. They all rely on the lazy staple of looking completely human with a brief flash of monster just to remind you that they aren't. See also: Grimm.

We had five season of that with the demons and angels but Kripke had the imagination to mix it up and make villains both spectral and inhuman.

Now we have amazons which conveniently look just like humans but for some reason also have really heavy eye shadow when necessary. Combine that with the lame leviathans and it's repetitious.

The show should stick with the mythology Kripke made because Gamble just doesn't have the imagination.

I thought last week was so boring that I actually fell asleep half way through.

This season definitely has a season one vibe but with diminishing amounts of humor and inventiveness. The last episode was a case in point. Every new mythological being that Gamble has introduced has been lazy and unoriginal. They all rely on the lazy staple of looking completely human with a brief flash of monster just to remind you that they aren't. See also: Grimm.

We had five season of that with the demons and angels but Kripke had the imagination to mix it up and make villains both spectral and inhuman.

Now we have amazons which conveniently look just like humans but for some reason also have really heavy eye shadow when necessary. Combine that with the lame leviathans and it's repetitious.

The show should stick with the mythology Kripke made because Gamble just doesn't have the imagination.

Point Taken. But I still liked the episode.:)

Point Taken. But I still liked the episode.:)

Well it sucks because the idea of amazons is actually pretty good and with only a few tweaks could have added a lot more to the Supernatural lore. If they had stuck closer to the mythological ideal and just updated it the show would have had a far more interesting new group IMO. A cross between Buffy and Dexter.

Here's what I would have liked to have seen:

Amazons are not magic or demons. They are just human girls and women. The ancient order recruits homeless girls and foster kids to join them and their purpose is to extract justice on men who have hurt or abused women. As servants of Artemis they hunt those responsible and offer them as sacrifices to Artemis. Artemis, like other ancient gods, would actually exist in the Supernatural world - although not seen often or at all.

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So the amazons have no powers but they do have weapons imbued with magical properties during a ritual blessing of Artemis. Each amazon gains a weapon of their choice for initiation. What makes this interesting is that the Demon Knife used by Ruby could have been explained as a weapon she stole from an Amazon or one she was given at some point. Canon callback!

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The basic scenario plays out the same - opening murder, Dean hooking up in the bar - but there is no pregnancy. Dean does notice the amazon brand on the woman he hooks up with however; they failed to mention that in the episode.

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As the story unfolds the boys discover the guy murdered was a serial rapist who got released on a technicality. Sam and Dean try to find the next target and in doing so interrupt the young girl who played Dean's daughter about to kill someone else. She attempts to convince the boys he should die but fails to do so. There's a big fight during which she kicks their asses and uses a magic dagger which slices Sam's pistol in half (not Dean's - that 1911 is too cool to damage). Just by pure luck they kill the girl and find out she's human but notice she has the same mysterious marking as Dean's bar friend. The victim thanks them for saving his life and the boys tell him to say nothing to the police about their involvement. As the sirens close in the boys run.

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The victim starts to relax when Sam's bar friend appears and decapitates him. She was the killer of the first victim and is the mentor of the young girl, in town to observe the girl's initiation kill - which was to execute the pedophile who molested the young girl when she was younger and take a trophy to offer to Artemis.

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Final scene is back at Amazon Central inducting more girls into the order and a slow pan across a desk reveals the photos of Dean and Sam as potential targets.

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Setting the cult up this way not only adds an interesting arc, but makes them morally ambiguous and both potential adversaries and occasional (but ruthless) allies against the leviathans. It also adds a human factor which the show is reducing to almost zero now. And er, adds a recurring hot chick factor. :D

Based on the current rate, eventually it will be Sam and Dean versus an entire world made up of demons who look like humans.

Whew. My head hurts...

... Buffy ... [Original] Ruby ... recurring hot chick factor. ... I'll support the re-write.

v/r,
C-F

I'll support the re-write.

Have you noticed the significant lack of women on the show now? no Meg, Ruby, Jo or hot angel or demon babes? Even the old guy quotient is down now that Bobby and Rufus are gone.

Makes me think that the CW are intentionally removing all potential females and unattractive males that might get in the way of the CW teen girl demo from swooning at Sam and Dean all season on the CW forums.

Have you noticed the significant lack of women on the show now? no Meg, Ruby, Jo or hot angel or demon babes? Even the old guy quotient is down now that Bobby and Rufus are gone.

Makes me think that the CW are intentionally removing all potential females and unattractive males that might get in the way of the CW teen girl demo from swooning at Sam and Dean all season on the CW forums.

Actually, it's more like they're trimming all the non-essential cast members to cut costs. Sam and Dean are the show, so it's out with everyone else.

In a world where the CW can't buy a hit at any cost, they have to settle for saving their pennies on any of the shows that get more than a 1 rating.

Yes, but the Amazon storyline could use fetching but different not-yet-up-and-comers every week, and maintain continuity as they are all part of the Sisterhood. And as a sop to the swooners, Sam & Dean could blow them off every week, as the the Amazons try harder and harder to seduce the two.

v/r,
C-F

They save the heavens from the Devil. Who else can they fight?

CW is trying to extend the show as much as possible.

Still one of the best shows on TV but how long can they fight black goo monsters and evil amazons.

They save the heavens from the Devil. Who else can they fight?

CW is trying to extend the show as much as possible.

Still one of the best shows on TV but how long can they fight black goo monsters and evil amazons.

i'm fine with it. I like them delving even further into mythology. And I love the characters, so I'll watch it to the end - and I hope that isn't for awhile.

I guess we differ in out opinions. I'd much prefer to end it this season or next strongly, not whimpering out to nothing. There has been nothing truly new this season, very much a retread so far. At some point the actors are going to want to try something new, odds are they are already typecast.

I don't understand why so many people are afraid of clowns, but what do I know?:p

I wish we could get back to the leviathans and let Sam and Dean start an epic battle royale over multi-episodes.
After all, leviathans are supposed to be the baddest of the bad, and therefore, pose the biggest danger ever.

Also, when are we going to get an answer about the future status of Bobby and Cass?

They save the heavens from the Devil. Who else can they fight?

I don't understand why so many people are afraid of clowns, but what do I know?:p


Well, ethereal, rarified-air abstractions as foes have indeed run their course. No better way to bring the series down to Earth than the direction signaled last show. The international clown conspiracy still runs this realm; many clowns are readily identifiable, most manipulate from the shadows, but collectively, there can be no doubt, they are the greatest extant evil on this plane. One more season of sweeping the clowns from our lives, would be most fitting lasting legacy for our boys.

I guess we differ in out opinions. I'd much prefer to end it this season or next strongly, not whimpering out to nothing. There has been nothing truly new this season, very much a retread so far. At some point the actors are going to want to try something new, odds are they are already typecast.

I feel like the original show ended after S5, and then everything after is just icing. But I like to have it there still, considering how much crap is on TV.

. The international clown conspiracy still runs this realm; many clowns are readily identifiable, most manipulate from the shadows, but collectively, there can be no doubt, they are the greatest extant evil on this plane. One more season of sweeping the clowns from our lives, would be most fitting lasting legacy for our boys.The famous (or infamous?) Emaych wit is still intact.:D

Can anyone recommend a good site for watching this show on-line, my DVR decided not to tape Friday's episode and I don't see it replaying or video on-demand. :mad:

Can anyone recommend a good site for watching this show on-line, my DVR decided not to tape Friday's episode and I don't see it replaying or video on-demand. :mad:

It will be on Hulu in a week. If you are desperate sign up for the Hulu+ trial and watch it now.

http://www.hulu.com/supernatural

Actually, it's more like they're trimming all the non-essential cast members to cut costs. Sam and Dean are the show, so it's out with everyone else.

So what about the Impala? I'm really missing the car these past episodes. It's one less "personality" on the show.

The original excuse for not featuring the Impala was because Frank said it would be easier to avoid being noticed as wanted men, but that doesn't really fly when they are talking to cops all the time.

Not to mention Dean could have just resprayed the car.

So what about the Impala? I'm really missing the car these past episodes. It's one less "personality" on the show.

I think someone probably pointed out to the producers that it wasn't logical for Sam and Dean to drive the same car while managing to avoid half the country's law enforcement community.

Ideally, at the beginning of the show, the "personality" to the car element to our story would be about Dean's obsessions with his "babies."
On a regular basis, he would dump one "baby" and then pick-up a different one to obsess over.
Of course, hindsight IS 20/20.;)

Well, no matter what, clowns are creepy. I think Stephen King's "IT" might be the scariest.

I think someone probably pointed out to the producers that it wasn't logical for Sam and Dean to drive the same car while managing to avoid half the country's law enforcement community.They did it for 6 years. Why stop now?

And is them driving their car around any more implausible than anything else on the show?

I think someone probably pointed out to the producers that it wasn't logical for Sam and Dean to drive the same car while managing to avoid half the country's law enforcement community.

I suppose... except they keep walking into police offices and coroner's offices... and they still look like the fugitives that the pictures are in the system to be on the lookout for... so methinks the car is the least of their easily-identifiable problems!

They save the heavens from the Devil. Who else can they fight?

CW is trying to extend the show as much as possible.

Still one of the best shows on TV but how long can they fight black goo monsters and evil amazons.

It was small but they did say they looked and did no find any amazons. I hope they return at some point.. Maybe to help vs the Black good monster?

Is my DirecTV DVR correct in telling me that one of the episodes during the sweeps period of Feb is a repeat? The ratings for all CW shows are struggling, so showing a repeat during a sweeps period seems very stupid! I glanced through the list quickly, so maybe I am mistaken. I'll take a closer look tonight. Not having all new episodes during a sweeps period would be a stupid idea.

You can get a giant rainbow colored plastic slinky from Amazon.Com, so why the issue with having to win all the tickets? They are like $16. That clown doll belonged in the second episode of The River.

Is my DirecTV DVR correct in telling me that one of the episodes during the sweeps period of Feb is a repeat? Mine did too.

I suppose... except they keep walking into police offices and coroner's offices... and they still look like the fugitives that the pictures are in the system to be on the lookout for... so methinks the car is the least of their easily-identifiable problems!

Along with the Impala which was sidelined for being them both being wanted men, the show has also killed the rock star pseudonyms for precisely that reason too.

At one point I could have sworn they were going with movie directors instead but this week Sam came up with "Johnson".

How is that fun?

The season seems to be stripping away all the elements that made Supernatural what it is.

Along with the Impala which was sidelined for being them both being wanted men, the show has also killed the rock star pseudonyms for precisely that reason too.

At one point I could have sworn they were going with movie directors instead but this week Sam came up with "Johnson".

How is that fun?

The season seems to be stripping away all the elements that made Supernatural what it is.What the writers should have done was create a little scene where Sam and Dean discuss the need to change their habits in order to stay one step ahead of the coppers.;)
Pretty simple, really....

I have not really noticed the car being gone since Dean got a similar model.

The original car has been rebuilt, blown up and destroyed so many times already.



I am just wondering how Sam gets his own car?

Does he steal one when he needs one?

I have not really noticed the car being gone since Dean got a similar model.

The original car has been rebuilt, blown up and destroyed so many times already.



I actually notice it every episode. The Impala is iconic to the show, imo.