Personally I thought the pilot was pretty good. If nothing else, it is good to see a show that isn't a cop/doctor/reality show.

Will be interesting to see if it can keep up the suspense and scare over a season.

FWIW, it will be rebroadcast on Thursday.

-Suntan

glad to see someone else watched it

I thought it was a cool show -- a "younger" version of the x-files if you will, minus the FBI stuff

pq and sound were very good...much better than Fox's blurry crap.

Very annoying 4:3 bright white bug - on a dark, spooky show like this - that's a crime.

I agree. It was a good set-up episode. Although I wish they would have selected another name for this week's featured adversary, since the woman in white legend has nothing to do with infidelity, her killing of others, or those who pick her up. They could have kept the premise of the show as is, but just created a new legend and name to fit. It will be interesting to see if they follow this same method for future episodes.
I'll be watching this show for at least a few more episodes. As long as it at least maintains tonight's quality, I'll be in for the whole season.

Scott

Agreed, all the dang anamaited ads for other shows was quite annoying.

And yes, I it seems like a non FBI X files, only with... well supernatural events instead of aliens.

-Suntan

I was pretty impressed. Allot better than I expected from The WB. I’ll definitely be watching next week.

I give it a C-. I didn't buy the premise, and thought it was cobbled together. I'll tune in again, but I'm withholding season pass status for the moment .

I like it a lot!! Very dark, with some great low bass sub-woofer action to go with it. A little humor thrown in too. I don't think that even Speilberg could have done a better job with the lighting of some of the scenes. I'll keep watching for now.

I liked it. It's a valid X-files replacement targeted a younger audience, which for some reason often includes me.

- Tom

I liked it, very dark, detailed picture ( the WB logo has to go ), I would hate to see what the picture looked like for the SD version.

Way too dark on SD, no detail at all ... mostly just disembodied voices. Furthermore, all the promo popups on WB39 blinded me :D

Ratings appear to be pretty weak. The show barely finished ahead of tommy lee goes to college.

The WB basically poured all their money for this season into promoting this show and got nothing out it. Oh well...I'll keep my fingers crossed that they'll air whatever episodes they ordered.

(From Marc Berman’s Programming Insider column of Wednesday, September 14, 2005 at Mediaweek.com)

Supernatural debuted with a One Tree Hill-like 4.3/ 7 in the overnights (#4), 5.49 million viewers (#4), and a 2.4/ 6 among adults 18-49 (#4) at 9 p.m. Retention for Supernatural out of Gilmore Girls was 80 percent in the overnights, 90 percent in viewers, and 89 percent among adults 18-49, with no audience fall-off in the second half-hour -- always a positive sign. Consider this a promising start for Supernatural.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I thought the show was excellent, especially for the WB. It even had an homage to X-Files, nice. I thought the WW effects were a blatant rip off of The Ring. That's a good thing, as they were both well done. BTW, the Supernatural females are HOT!

She still has a long, long, long way to go to match the Nicole Kidman "world-renowned brain surgeon" (at about age 24) role in "Days Of Thunder".

My wife and I both liked it alot. We both watched X-files and Buffy every season and this seems like a good replacement for both shows (mix of elements from both shows).

The girlfriend of the younger brother was mighty hot, too bad she won't be on future episodes. What a tease. :cool:

We watched "Bones" on Fox before it, and cancelled it's Tivo Season Pass... .but Supernatural got bumped up a few on the priority list.

The girlfriend of the younger brother was mighty hot, too bad she won't be on future episodes. What a tease. :cool:

Given the nature of the show I wouldn't write her out yet.

Did I mention it wasn't a show about Lawyers, Doctors, Policeman, Overprivlaged teenagers that complain about their lives or large breasted females in bikini's eating worms and voting people off islands?????

I would argue that even a modest viewership is good enough to keep it on the WB, but I don't know much about that.

Even if it is a season of disjointed plots held together by a weekly comment to the affect of "well we should go find dad after we kill yet another demon in this next town...." it will still be interesting enough to keep me at least watching, as the wife watches "Gilmore Girls" and I can timeshift "House" to 9pm.

It would be great if they deeply meshed the plot of finding their father and their mother's killer into the story on a weekly basis. It may seem like you would run out of material quickly that way, but JJ showed us you can keep a story alive even when all the characters have nowhere to go...

As for the mood and lighting for the show. Deffinately adds to the show in such a way as that I have not seen in a while. Point Pleasent had similar dark subject matter, but everything took place in suburban kitchens, not... ...that... ...scarey.

-Suntan

Did I mention it wasn't a show about Lawyers, Doctors, Policeman, Overprivlaged teenagers that complain about their lives or large breasted females in bikini's eating worms and voting people off islands?????

I would argue that even a modest viewership is good enough to keep it on the WB, but I don't know much about that.

I'd agree. Retaining 80% of its lead in is really pretty impressive. I thought at first they were dumb to pair this show with Gilmore Girls instead of Smallville, but it looks like it might have been a good call. How much of this week's audience it retains next week will be very revealing.

As for the show itself, I was impressed, overall. It was actually scary without being gory, and dark without being depressing. I was not surprised to see that one of the producers was the guy behind Fox's brilliant-but-short-lived "Brimstone" -- the dialogue and overall sensibilities were similar. It also reminded me of a not-quite-so-dark version of "Miracles" which was on ABC a few years back.

The shout-out to Mulder and Scully was cute, too.

I thought some of the scenes were too dark to see clearly even in HD -- I can't imagine how muddy it must have looked in standard def. In such a crowded time slot, I originally had this show planned for SD on my TiVo, but I may have to rethink that.

It has promise and there were quite a few suspenseful scenes. Although dark, there was still a surprising amount of detail.

I thought the dynamics between the brothers was good--not sure if the search for Dad is going to be running theme. That could play out really quickly.

[QUOTE=Whitearrow]I'd agree. Retaining 80% of its lead in is really pretty impressive. I thought at first they were dumb to pair this show with Gilmore Girls instead of Smallville, but it looks like it might have been a good call. How much of this week's audience it retains next week will be very revealing.


you'll get your wish tomorrow as it looks like the SUPERNATURAL pilot repeats @9 PM EST after a SMALLVILLE re-run. can't wait as i had to work tues. nite and missed it. will be a bit odd to see Jensen Ackles back-to-back in two different series(but he's one reason i'm checking it out as he seems well-suited for SUPERNATURAL at least judging from the trailers.) and all the reviews i've seen go out of the way to say this show is SCARY!!! like i said can't wait.


jim

The networks are sure kind to people like me who always miss the first episode of everything. I missed the first Lost and ABC ran it again. I missed Prison Break, no problem, they ran it again. It sure helps folks who don't hear about new shows until someone mentions them.

Of the three new shows I've seen so far (Prison Break, Bones, Supernatural), I'd rank Supernatural the best by a very wide margin. Best horror show since Buffy and Angel left the air. And I *loved* the 5.1 channel surround.

I really need a WB-HD station here in eastern Iowa!!

Between this and Smallville, I got 2 good reasons for it.

I watch both shows' first-runs in SD because its the only way I can, but comparing Smallville on the local WBs and HDNet, and the difference is quite apparent (PQ-wise).

I enjoyed it as well, and thought the picture quality was pretty good.

Personally, I would have to say that I like Prison Break better right now, but yeah, on the whole I have actually been looking forward to this years round of season premires.

As for all of the repeats of the first couple episodes, it can only help them. Any series that actually has content that progresses from show to show (instead of self contained seperate plots each week) they know people that are not caught up with the story will not stay and watch.

This was the origianal problem with ALIAS, no new viewers because they couldn't figure out what was going on. Same thing happened with the first 24 (although not as bad.) Have you ever tried to watch Lost with someone that has not kept up with it? Its miserable.

As for why they aired it right after Gilmore Girls, the one brother was on Gilmore Girls in its first 2 or 3 seasons. Not the Dean one, but the other one (although his name was Dean on the Gilmore Girls). Might have something to do with it.

-Suntan

As for why they aired it right after Gilmore Girls, the one brother was on Gilmore Girls in its first 2 or 3 seasons. Not the Dean one, but the other one (although his name was Dean on the Gilmore Girls).

The fact that this show features characters named Dean and Jess was really bugging my wife. She couldn't stop mentioning it the whole episode.

Never watched Gilmore Girls, but I do remember pointing out that the one brother was a super mutant on Dark Angel in the later seasons.

I am looking forward to future episodes of Supernatural, but right now I've still got Prison Break by a nose over Supernatural, probably becase there have been more episodes. Bones is close at 3rd.

Interesting that the subject matter of Supernatural almost seems refreshing, even though its actually pretty typical TV fare, at least it was until the reality/cops/forensics craze of late.

Head Case, anyone? (Haven't watched it yet, but looked pretty good when editing the commercials out on my Fusion III recording) I think we need a new decent comedy.

I thought the opening, when the mother walked in on the man standing over the baby and thought it was her husband but we all knew wasn't, was genuinely scary. They went with too much f/x at the end, but if they kept more to the atmosphere of the beginning, this could be intriguing.

I'm bummed that they knocked off the hot g/f. But she may make a reappearance yet. If we're lucky, maybe she'll be condemned to haunt the netherworld in her smurf undies.

I would put Prison Break slightly above Supernatural (caveat: I've only seen the pilot for P.B.), and Bone a disappointing 3rd.

I watched it on WB-HD OTA here in D/FW, put it wasn't 5.1. Were you HD guys getting it in 5.1?

Just saw it today. Not too bad but it'll be interesting to see how they can keep up the "looking for dad" deal. A little dark for my liking, they could turn the lights up just a bit. I hope I wasn't the only one that wanted to smack the guy and tell him he ain't making his appointment.

I wonder if anyone else does this- do you sometimes determine if you watch shows based on how many "oh, come on"'s you say. Prison Break is starting to get my "oh come on" quota a little higher.

And it does seem like this season may have some decent new shows- at least some will get a shot with me if it's HD.

The networks are sure kind to people like me who always miss the first episode of everything. I missed the first Lost and ABC ran it again. I missed Prison Break, no problem, they ran it again. It sure helps folks who don't hear about new shows until someone mentions them.
Heck, yeah. I would have missed this one if they hadn't. The same with Prison Break.

As far as picture quality, I can't time shift HD, so I watched it in SD. I didn't notice any particular seen being too dark. Dark, yes, but not too dark.

The reference to the X-Files was good. At least we don't have to worry about the show being ruined by a similar romantic involvement with the two main characters - that would be a MUCH different show, in this case.

So, this is what I'll be watching:

Monday - "Prison Break" (9P FOX), "Medium" (10P NBC)
Tuesday - "Supernatural" (9P UPN) , "Rescue Me" (10P? FX - When it returns - probably January)
Wednesday - "Lost" (9P ABC)
Thursday - "Alias" (8P ABC) "CSI"
Friday - "Malcom in the Middle" (8:30P FOX)
Saturday - ?
Sunday - "The Simpsons" (8P Fox), "Family Guy" (9P Fox) and "Desperate Houswives" (10P ABC)

Waiting for a new season:

"24" - Fox - Tuesdays 9PM - January
"The Shield" - FX
"Monk" - USA

Random other shows I like from the cable nets:

"Mythbusters" - Discovery
"It Takes a Thief" - Discovery
"Top Gear" - Discovery
"Inside the Actors Studio" - Bravo

New shows still to check out:

"Threshold" Fridays at 9PM - CBS - Starts 9/16
"Surface" Mondays at 8PM - NBC - Starts 9/19
"Invasion" Wednesday at 10PM - ABC - Starts 9/21
"The Night Stalker" Thursdays at 9PM - ABC - Starts 9/29
"Killer Instinct" Fridays at 9PM - Fox - Starts 9/23

Whew! Thank goodness I have two tuners. Too bad neither of them can record HD.....

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Whew! Thank goodness I have two tuners. Too bad neither of them can record HD.....[/QUOTE]

Who's your provider? I've got three HD DVRs through Comcast. Should help me sort things out for the next few weeks.

We watched Bones and Supernatural back to back - both had a "Scully and Mulder" reference.

These screen logos have got to go...

The KTLA/DT one is still there during commercials....what a joke!

This show didn't impress me too much. Didn't anyone get annoyed by some of the regurgitated horror cliches and predictability? The production values visually and sound were very good though IMO.

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This show didn't impress me too much. Didn't anyone get annoyed by some of the regurgitated horror cliches and predictability? The production values visually and sound were very good though IMO.

YES. The problem I have is that they missed a very important part of the Scully/Muldar interaction - the role of the skeptic.

To appreciate this show you must buy into the existence of the supernatural world from the beginning. No alternative explanation was possible for the "Woman in White" other than she was a vengefull ghost - so you have to believe in ghosts. As for whatever it is that nails blondes to the ceiling while still alive, then causes the ceiling to combust around them, I see no other possible explanation than some form of evil demon, spirit, or maybe the ghost of Jack the Ripper or some other serial killer.

Whatever. You have to buy into the whole "supernatural" world and swallow whatever they stuff in your mouth every week, or the show just doesn't work. As it didn't work for me.

I can suspend my disbelief and enjoy a well-defined supernatural genre like for example a vampire film. Even though I know vampires do not exist, I can immerse myself in a vampire story. But I'm NOT about to swallow whatever critter the scriptwriters can imagine just because they did so.

Having said that, I thought the other production values were very good. The special effects were very impressiive. The acting was not bad. The casting was OK.

It's only the "Supernatural critter of the week" format that's a bust.

Gary

To appreciate this show you must buy into the existence of the supernatural world from the beginning.

You don't have to believe in the supernatural in real life. You just have to accept that in the universe of this show supernatural events can happen. Just like we accept that in Star Trek faster-than-light travel is possible, explosions make noise in the vacuum of outer space, and the universe is populated with many alien species that look just like humans with bumpy foreheads.

I watched it on WB-HD OTA here in D/FW, put it wasn't 5.1. Were you HD guys getting it in 5.1?

It was 5.1 here in Boston via Comcast cable, but I was unimpressed with the sound quality.

YES. The problem I have is that they missed a very important part of the Scully/Muldar interaction - the role of the skeptic.

While I would agree that this twist added to X files made it unique, and improved it overall. I would argue that it is not mandatory for this show to be successful. Both brothers believe in ghosts because they saw their mother burst into flames on the ceiling as children. That would do it for me.

I would, at least suggest as an option, you can have this same basic contrast between the two brothers and the people they come upon during their travels. Surely, most common people they meet would be very much against the belief that it is a bad spirit causing deadly traffic accidents in the town square. As such, they would be somewhat opposed to helping two out-of-towners with their crazy ideas of exorcism.

Mulder and Scully had one thing going for them... ...they were FBI agents. This afforded them luxuries that these guys will not have. As an example, in the pilot, they got caught in a lie by the local fuzz and the one brother had to bust the other out of jail.

To sum it up, I would argue that the overall setup of the story does not doom the show to failure. As with any show, good writing will make the difference.


Hey, at least it isn't yet another show where a bunch of lawyers continually get a bunch of guilty clients off by continually breaking the law themselves... ...boy that would be an original show! :rolleyes:

-Suntan

I caught the replay of the pilot last night. Big thumbs up. The show had a quick, exciting pace, suspense, sharp humor, and wonderful PQ. The scene of the 'lady in white' getting pulled into hell was freakin amazing. I had a great time watching it, period.

If they saw what we assume they've seen in 15 - 20 years of "ghost hunting" - one would have to be an idiot to be a skeptic. The girlfriend could have been a skeptic, but something tells me she's now a believer. ;)

I caught the replay of this one last night and wasn't impressed. Was expecting chills and thrills and, aside from the initial shocker, what I saw was a collection of trite horror cliches, a lack of sophistication, and a writing style that seemed to be aimed precisely at the 11-25 demographic. An X-Files for the Gen Z crowd without any of the chemistry or chills that made that show so memorable. I won't be back.

I caught the replay of this one last night and wasn't impressed. Was expecting chills and thrills and, aside from the initial shocker, what I saw was a collection of trite horror cliches, a lack of sophistication, and a writing style that seemed to be aimed precisely at the 11-25 demographic. An X-Files for the Gen Z crowd without any of the chemistry or chills that made that show so memorable. I won't be back.


I'm with you archiguy, I don't see how so many more AVS readers liked this show than enjoyed Bones.

Actually I very much liked both of them.

- Tom

Overall, I enjoyed this show (and will continue watching it), but did anyone else think the ending was a little cheezy? These guys are supposed to be experts on supernatural stuff, but it didn't appear that they had any clue how to fight the ghost except to try shooting at it. So they end up helpless, pinned behind a table, and then they just get lucky and the ghost kind of goes away on her own...

I also wonder how they will be able to gather the information they need each week to solve cases without having any "official" status. Mulder and Scully could interview people, conduct autopsies, etc. because they were FBI agents. These guys, to get the information they needed, impersonated FBI agents (I don't imagine they can do that every week), and talked to people like the dead guy's friends and the dead woman's husband. I had to wonder why these people would talk to complete strangers about these incidents without seeing some kind of badge.

Just my thoughts. Any other opinions?

I'm with you archiguy, I don't see how so many more AVS readers liked this show than enjoyed Bones.

Bones was awful. I mean come on, everything about that was cliche. And I mean everything. Mark my words: Bones will fail quickly and Supernatural will do very well this year.

@ Archi and Jimbo

What other TV shows are out on broadcast channels in genres even close to this right now?

I didn't watch Bones, but isn't it about a sarcastic male cop and a snotty criminal pathologist female that isn't very pretty? No thanks, been there done that in one form or another. And where in the world are they that they happen upon one unsolvable murder after another each and every day?

If nothing else, interest in this show only points out how few options there are for original storylines. Hopefully that show about the hurricane deposting aliens is good when it comes out...

-Suntan

I really liked this, GF was a HOTTIE!
We had DD 5.1 here in ST Louis so it was a nice surprise.
Looking forward to more of this one.

Jamie

yet another thumbnail review:

actually i wish to point out a few inconsistencies that have been posted so far. OF COURSE the the storyline is incredible-so are past hit shows about vampire slayers, aliens with super-human powers battling mutated humans for our salvation, & i would add teens with perfect bodies, permanent tans & unlimited credit accounts!!! but its about how it's presented. so far SUPERNATURAL has good writing & characters that are likeable & believable. Dean says to Sam: "Of COURSE you should be afraid of the dark-you KNOW what's out there!!" common-sense in an UN-normal situation. its also what i like about Dean-a practical, even utilitarian approach to demon-hunting(LOL)!!! that & his wise-ass sense of humor!!!
BTW Suntan i agree that having a skeptic made X-FILES a better show but i don't think you saw that Sam is(was) a different skeptic. sure he knows about the netherworld but he was obviously ambivalent about the whole ghost-hunter life. i also got the sense we was a bit distant from his father while Dean is much more committed on a personal level. but seeing his GF become a human gas grill & Sam is now a skeptic turned zealot-now THAT should be interesting to see play out!!!
BTW2 neither brother actually SAW their Mom's immolation-Sam was a newborn, Dean never looked up at the ceiling. all their lives they've relied on their Dad's version of events. now they've seen for themselves. we saw the immediate change in Sam-how will the experience change Dean? more to look forward to!!!
sorry for the long-winded analysis-back to tech issues. good PQ here on WPIX-DT. liked the dark cast-some HD here seems over-saturated color-wise. good sound tho i had to keep it down(roomie had important biz call). nice subtle surround EFX when car crashed into abandoned house. problem i find with most broadcast 5.1 is ya gotta crank it for best effect(tho some won't call it a PROBLEM!) back to the real world(pretty scary in it's own right!!!)


jim



PS so whats wrong with names like Dean or Jess anyway???

Overall, I enjoyed this show (and will continue watching it), but did anyone else think the ending was a little cheezy? These guys are supposed to be experts on supernatural stuff, but it didn't appear that they had any clue how to fight the ghost except to try shooting at it. So they end up helpless, pinned behind a table, and then they just get lucky and the ghost kind of goes away on her own...

I also wonder how they will be able to gather the information they need each week to solve cases without having any "official" status. Mulder and Scully could interview people, conduct autopsies, etc. because they were FBI agents. These guys, to get the information they needed, impersonated FBI agents (I don't imagine they can do that every week), and talked to people like the dead guy's friends and the dead woman's husband. I had to wonder why these people would talk to complete strangers about these incidents without seeing some kind of badge.

Just my thoughts. Any other opinions?


sorry Sigma but you asked for it LOL!!!


they did have a clue-or least a plan. dig up the body & destroy it. unfortunately the ghost had a plan too-ambush Sam. i find this plausible since it shows Murphy's Law applys to the netherworld(as did the ghost's fate.)
your second point reminded me that being ordinary guys means the bros have to use their wits(as do the screenwriters). no unlimited resources, no flashing a Fed badge & everything comes to them. like the real world works-with demons added. for them-like my former roommate(& Marine Gulf War vet) would say: "improvise,adapt, overcome". come to think of it their Dad is an ex-Marine isn't he? must've taught them well.
as for people opening up to them-you ever worked in sales? sometimes the trick is getting some people to shut up long enough to sign the papers!!! really its a matter of knowing the right buttons to push & people will often talk your ear off!!! Sam impersonating a reporter was(again) very plausible. watch local news-people WANT to be interviewed even if they don't like being questioned. i'm sure in future episodes they will run into people who tell them nothing & will have to find other sources.

jim

@ Archi and Jimbo

And where in the world are they that they happen upon one unsolvable murder after another each and every day?

-Suntan

They are right down the street from all the supernatural events that seem to occur daily. :)


It is not the worst show ever, my main point was that although I am a horror/UFO/Sci-Fi/fantasy junkie, Supernatural did not appeal to me, Bones entertained me.

PS so whats wrong with names like Dean or Jess anyway???

Jared Padalecki who plays Sam in Supernatural played Dean on Gilmore Girls.

Dean on Gilmore Girls competed for Rory's affections with Jess (Milo Ventimiglia).

i think that's called "tongue in cheek". the WB seems to go in for that. remember the SMALLVILLE episode where Jonathan Kent turns on his truck's radio & Waylon is wailin' the theme to DUKES OF HAZZARD?

jim

They are right down the street from all the supernatural events that seem to occur daily. :)

I guess you missed the line that their next town (where Dad went) was like a 8+ hr drive? Not exactly "right down the street". This isn't Sunnydale, CA. I think we'll find them traveling to all parts of the country as the show progresses, ala Mulder & Scully.

will be a bit odd to see Jensen Ackles back-to-back in two different seriesAlmost back-to-back-to-back. He was a regular on the last season FOX's Dark Angel before jumping to Smallville a few seasons later. I didn't watch the entire pilot, but the Scully/Mulder reference was funny.

Almost back-to-back-to-back. He was a regular on the last season FOX's Dark Angel before jumping to Smallville a few seasons later. I didn't watch the entire pilot, but the Scully/Mulder reference was funny.

actually I was referring to the fact that he was on a season 4 episode of SMALLVILLE that aired just before the re-airing of the SUPERNATURAL pilot on thurs. but you're right-just never watched DARK ANGEL. appropriately, in a way, it was the SMALLVILLE episode where Jason Teague is shot by Lionel Luthor & falls into a raging river.
i think Jensen was funny period in the pilot. wise-guy attitude AND an old-school metalhead!!-gotta love it. Sam's right tho-cassettes in this day & age? maybe Sam should tell Dean he could sharpen the edges of CD's & use them as weapons in an emergency!!LOL!!!!!


jim

I guess you missed the line that their next town (where Dad went) was like a 8+ hr drive? Not exactly "right down the street". This isn't Sunnydale, CA. I think we'll find them traveling to all parts of the country as the show progresses, ala Mulder & Scully.

I guess you missed the post I was responding to where this question was asked (in reference to Bones):

And where in the world are they that they happen upon one unsolvable murder after another each and every day?

So I wrote (referring to Supernatural):

They are right down the street from all the supernatural events that seem to occur daily .

Now all this revolved around my supposition that I was surprised that more posters seemed to prefer Supernatural over Bones.

Cliff notes complete

These guys are supposed to be experts on supernatural stuff, but it didn't appear that they had any clue how to fight the ghost except to try shooting at it.

I don't think Dean really believed shooting the ghost would kill it. He was just trying to distract it long enough for Sam to drive the car into the house.

This show kinda reminds me of a cross between X-files and Freakylinks.

We were unlucky enough to get it in SD. Our WLMT shows UPN shows during normal time and the WB starting at 10. The engineer set it up for us to get the west coast feed in HD. But someone missed it this past week.

Regarding the "darkness": it was absolutely beautiful in HD on my Sony XBR CRT. There were details in the shadows, the faces were well lit and natural, and overall it gave the show a creepy quality. It was the best "dark" show on TV that I've seen for showing off a good HD set...Not as good as the Master and Commander DVD...but good.

Thoughts on the 2nd episode? I thought it was a bit weaker than the pilot. It's banking on the jump scene stuff to be scary each week, which will get old, fast.

It'll be interesting to see how this compares to the new Night Stalker. The premise seems very similar to the original series.

I haven't watched the 2nd episode yet, but is this show really in 5.1? I was looking around here and on various websites but couldn't find anything definate. I know our local UPN can pass 5.1 for the WB shows.

Second episode definitely not as good as the first. It wasn't terrible, though.

However, it did really look like crap. Was it shot on DV? It had a really "video-ish" appearance.

The sound is DD 5.1 here in Boston over Comcast cable, but the audio quality has really sucked on both episodes in comparison to all of the other HD networks (I don't watch anything else on the WB so can't compare to other shows on the same net).

thought 2nd episode was just heart wrenching, it was just bad. barely showed the monster plus the horrible acting by the girl

They seem to be recycling all the Demons from "Charmed". Last week the woman in white and this week a wendigo, how original. I might give the show one more chance but they had better pull something good off next week.

@ Matt L

How many original "bad things" can you think of to use as monsters that haven't already been used in one form or another in the history of TV?

-Suntan

@ Matt L

How many original "bad things" can you think of to use as monsters that haven't already been used in one form or another in the history of TV?

-Suntan

Probably not many but then again I don't think he is the one being paid to do so.

Anyone get last night's episode in HD? - if so, I've got to shoot off an email to our WB and make sure they don't screw up Smallville tomorrow.

yep, all HD here last night

HD on wb 17 in Phila, PA..... Demon was straight from an X FILES show...

Well, appears as I truly am not a member of the demographic catered to here. This is just plain silly trash. The notion that these pseudo-hip presumed-to-be-young-hunks parading around in leather jackets (for the most part) and effortlessly and without challenge affecting guises ranging from psychologists to homeland security agents is just farcical. One imagines the writers themselves have faked their own IDs to prove majority status and gain entry to the studio lots and now have to merely to devise some tragedy or perilous situation, attach a monster to it, then send "the boys" off on their mission all while they miss Dad's insight and prowess terribly.

All could be forgiven if the sound quality was really outrageous -- I do kind of like the look of it (pure HD here in southern Cal, BTW) -- but sound is not outrageous. Limit of trajectory for me: halfway through the third episode.

The fake ID thing is getting really old really fast, and the CGI in last night's episode was nothing short of terrible, but I thought the plot was decent in an X-Files sort of way. I like the character interaction and some of the dialogue.

The show is still hit or miss, but it has promise and I'll keep watching at least for a while.

CityTV out of Canada had an entire segment in 4:3 last night.

Also, the colors were soft to non-existent. I had to force color to max on set to get it to look correct.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2104/supernaturalcitytv015bn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yet commercials and station promos looked fine.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/6218/supernaturalcitytv024iv.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Is the show shot this way?

Hmm, I still like the premise of the show but the execution(slow pace) is starting to leave a lot to be desired.

There's just no dynamic like there used to be between Mulder and Scully.

Funny line though... near end in airport when he was on phone with flight attendent & had to make up a phony name fast on the spot... Hi I am James Hetfield ( he's Metallica's lead vocal/guitarist)

Anyone get the feeling they are trying to make $$ on some future soundtrack release? The music inserts seem almost forced.

Mediaweek.com)

“…The WB…is a force to reckon with on Tuesday with its underrated combination of veteran Gilmore Girls (Overnights: #4t, 5.0/ 8; Viewers: #5, 5.91 million; A18-49: #5, 2.5/ 7) and compatible lead-out Supernatural (Overnights: #5, 4.3/ 6; Viewers: #5, 5.27 million; A18-49: #5, 2.4/ 6). Both dramas were up over last week, and Supernatural is expected to be renewed for the remainder of the season at any given moment..…”

And I got bashed on the 2nd page of this thread for suggesting that impersonating public officials to gather information would get old after a while...

I still like this show, but you have to suspend disbelief on a couple of points:

1) As before mentioned, can they continue to impersonate public officials every week?

2) With no jobs or explained source of income, how do they continue to pay for gas, hotel rooms, ariplane tickets, etc? Did their dad leave them some kind of family fortune? (Unlikely since dad has been doing the same thing for a number of years.)

I guess I don't understand the bitterness everyone has towards the show. Yeah, it isn't as good of a storyline as "Lost" or such, but it is ok to just sit and watch. Unfortunately they took the old standby of "new episode, new town, new monster", but if you get confortable with that shallow plotline, it still offers mildly humorous dialog and the two main actors aren't bad. Plus there is normally a good looking chick in it from week to week.

Further, it isn't like it is a show that has been solid for multiple seasons only now to start sucking monkey balls thus leaving loyal views to feel betrayed (:cough: pregnant CIA field operative :cough: first two seasons rocked, rest of them suck :cough: ). ;)

-Suntan

And I got bashed on the 2nd page of this thread for suggesting that impersonating public officials to gather information would get old after a while...

I still like this show, but you have to suspend disbelief on a couple of points:

1) As before mentioned, can they continue to impersonate public officials every week?

2) With no jobs or explained source of income, how do they continue to pay for gas, hotel rooms, ariplane tickets, etc? Did their dad leave them some kind of family fortune? (Unlikely since dad has been doing the same thing for a number of years.)


Dean explained this to Sam in the Pilot. Dean and his dad were "still running that scam" where they use fake identities to obtain credit cards - therefore having/using money (for gas/lodging/travel/hunting, etc) but never having to pay on them.

Dean explained this to Sam in the Pilot. Dean and his dad were "still running that scam" where they use fake identities to obtain credit cards - therefore having/using money (for gas/lodging/travel/hunting, etc) but never having to pay on them.Yeah, I remember that, but you'd think that they can't keep on doing that indefinitely, either.

One funny scripting screw-up: After exorcising the plane, the characters are returned to the same airport that they left from, despite being almost 40 minutes out. If the plane had experienced that sort of "mechanical failure", it would certainly have been directed to land at the nearest airport, not turned around and flown back over half an hour to where they came from.

I guess I don't understand the bitterness everyone has towards the show. Yeah, it isn't as good of a storyline as "Lost" or such, but it is ok to just sit and watch. Unfortunately they took the old standby of "new episode, new town, new monster", but if you get confortable with that shallow plotline, it still offers mildly humorous dialog and the two main actors aren't bad. Plus there is normally a good looking chick in it from week to week.

Further, it isn't like it is a show that has been solid for multiple seasons only now to start sucking monkey balls thus leaving loyal views to feel betrayed (:cough: pregnant CIA field operative :cough: first two seasons rocked, rest of them suck :cough: ). ;)

-Suntan


^^^ :D

I liked last night's episode. The 40 minute wham bam thank you ma'am format works for me just fine. Although the X-Files references are getting old fast. Can't wait for next week's monster. I predict witches!

The credibility issue at hand is not even so much that these documents seemingly arise from vaporous origin -- no glimpse provided of the labors or mechanics at work (that would help, BTW) -- but that these two could be mistaken for what they portray themselves as.

Neither has the requisite age, bearing, demeanor, lingo or plain gravitas to pull any of this off without great, intense and ultimately, one would think, insurmountable scrutiny by officials of the Government such as FBI no less. That they could saunter unchallenged and unescorted into some heavily guarded hanger because they donned black suits and presented some Johnny Ranger token badge at a distance...? And they were supposed to be Homeland Security? -- sans appointment notification?, absent a confirmation email at least?

Oh, I sure hope the security protocols are much better than that! -- but I return to their appearance -- I'd take one look at these juveniles and really wonder what the heck is going on in the Government that THEY should be the appointed representatives or spearhead field agents -- I'd give that badge a good going over, then call every level of authority I knew to avert compromising my position on a horrendous misstep of the caliber it would be to accept these two as anything other than delinquents. OK, now if the conceit is that they are just so hunky that pretty chicks along the way are going to overlook the obvious and buy into what their selling, so be it, just not anyone else, please.

That they could saunter unchallenged and unescorted into some heavily guarded hanger because they donned black suits and presented some Johnny Ranger token badge at a distance...?

Relax dude, they put the scene where they got black suits in so he could make the joke about looking like a Blues Brother.

And who is to say that the wreckage of a plane crash is gaurded all that heavily? I have seen documentaries about plane crashes where individuals looking at the parts only had to sign in at an office window with what looked like a librarian "minding the shop".

Again, if people are so bent out of shape over the lack of authenticity in a show where a pair of brothers going around beating up supernatural things, change the channel, or maybe ask the WB for a refund of the admission that you paid them...

-Suntan

Relax dude, they put the scene where they got black suits in so he could make the joke about looking like a Blues Brother.

And who is to say that the wreckage of a plane crash is gaurded all that heavily? I have seen documentaries about plane crashes where individuals looking at the parts only had to sign in at an office window with what looked like a librarian "minding the shop".

Again, if people are so bent out of shape over the lack of authenticity in a show where a pair of brothers going around beating up supernatural things, change the channel, or maybe ask the WB for a refund of the admission that you paid them...

-Suntan
Maybe I missed the Blues Brothers joke -- I assumed they were "riffing" on Men In Black -- as in Government agents all clad in black?

In any event, another assumption I make is that we are to take it that these two ARE operating in our world reality, albiet with Demons and such as part of it, correct? Perhaps I misapprehended and they are in another dimension which only faultily mirrors ours? I mean why interject IDs at all? Why not just have them amble in with a wave?

My point is that they, the show progenitors, ARE trying to present some vestige of reality here, and to me it is not working as well as might be expected.

The beating up of supernatural things, as in firing a pistol at a ghost, is another matter entirely, although an interesting avenue as well, but gotta go for now -- I will be back!

I just like to enjoy the show. Who cares that they have to get fake id's everywhere. It is "Supernatural" that they are able to do all of these things.

The fake ID thing is getting really old really fast, and the CGI in last night's episode was nothing short of terrible, but I thought the plot was decent in an X-Files sort of way. I like the character interaction and some of the dialogue.

The show is still hit or miss, but it has promise and I'll keep watching at least for a while.

Well, it was better than the CGI work on NBC’s “Surface”.

CityTV out of Canada had an entire segment in 4:3 last night.

Also, the colors were soft to non-existent. I had to force color to max on set to get it to look correct.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2104/supernaturalcitytv015bn.jpg (http://imageshack.us)



Is the show shot this way?

No, it's not. It does have a little more contrast than most shows, but the colors aren't not supposed to be washed out like that.

My point is that they, the show progenitors, ARE trying to present some vestige of reality here, and to me it is not working as well as might be expected.

Again, we are not talking Oscars here. It is a one hour WB show on Tuesday nights, take it for what it is.

otoh, yes, the plane CGI was weak, I had to watch it upstairs on the 19" analog TV (storm caused the HD feed to be too fritzy) even then it was noticably poor.

-Suntan

So far I haven't really had a problem with the guises. Most of the time their acts are either seen through or questioned heavily. Last night, why would there be heavy scrutiny? It looked like the guy was just a low-wage security guard, and it was a plane assumed to have been brought down by mechanical failure. It wasn't like there'd be a reason anyone (except possibly a reporter) would be sneaking in that they'd have the place on lock-down.

The same goes with all the other guises... Usually it's involving a situation (Drowning, missing kid in the woods) that there'd be no reason to assume anyone would have any reason to pretend to be a Ranger, or a Homeland Security Official. Accepting that makes the show much easier to watch. All in all, an enjoyable show that reminds me quite a bit of Freakylinks.

My only problem with the show is the heaving tinting the show uses... The coloration is off too much for my tastes, trying to sustain a "creepy" aspect by making outdoor scenes way too bland just doesn't work for me.

It seems pretty weak to me (I've never really watched a WB show), but I thought this week's episode was the "best" so far. I'll keep watching it for now. :)

Speaking of music -- just before/when they put on the suits to "look the part" (about 15 mins. in), I was wondering about that song that was playing for 10-15 seconds. I've heard it before (I guess it's from 70s or 80s), but don't know the name or artist. Anybody know what I mean and can answer my stupid question? :D

Oh, I might give this one some more viewings. I do see that they are playing somewhat tongue-in-cheek, which makes the lapses of credibility a little easier to swallow. The show has not matured yet I think and might yet have something to offer.

The reason I said the hanger was heavily guarded came from the fact that when the ruse was discovered, it seemed like there were armed agents coming from all sides to effect a capture, now I realize that two of them were the Homeland Security personnel that just got there and maybe my memory is faulty on the point, so maybe I'll try again next week on this show with fresh eyes, although the formula seems a little strained even at this stage.

So far, I really like this show. The pilot was the best episode, and even spooked me a little. The others have been pretty good. Say what you want about the credibility of the fake id's and all that, this formula works for me: ghosts/spirits, good soundtrack, hot women (at least in some episodes - love the Smurfs ;) ) and HD picture and 5.1 sound. Series recording is set up - I'm on board for the season.

You know, I'm just not finding that soundtrack to be anywhere near in the same league as Threshold or the CSIs, for example -- it would go a long way to raising my appreciation of this series, no doubt. The discrete channel separation is not there, it lacks depth and dynamism, minimal LFE -- perhaps it is just my local provider...well, no -- actually, come to think of it, when they presented Lord of the Rings Fellowship, the sound was overpowering, so it must be the audio mix of Supernatural. Smallville sounds very much the same as well -- almost a mono kind of effect even though my processor clearly registers 5.1.

So far, I really like this show. The pilot was the best episode, and even spooked me a little. The others have been pretty good. Say what you want about the credibility of the fake id's and all that, this formula works for me: ghosts/spirits, good soundtrack, hot women (at least in some episodes - love the Smurfs ;) ) and HD picture and 5.1 sound. Series recording is set up - I'm on board for the season.

I'm with you. This is Popcorn Entertainment, no more no less. I don't know what people are expecting? It's not the X Files, and isn't trying to be. I actually love the soundtrack. I listened to all that music in High School! Ahh, the 80's!

Just to be clear, by "soundtrack" I meant to indicate orchestral score and sound effects primarily. It stands to reason that the accompanying songs and such from an earlier era will not have a very appealing sound quality especially if they are supposed to be emanating from the speakers on his car whilst he tools around the mountains, etc. But I will point out that the CSIs have done a remarkable job with The Who's hits -- sound about as good as they ever will, I venture.

You know, I'm just not finding that soundtrack to be anywhere near in the same league as Threshold or the CSIs, for example -- it would go a long way to raising my appreciation of this series, no doubt. The discrete channel separation is not there, it lacks depth and dynamism, minimal LFE -- perhaps it is just my local provider...well, no -- actually, come to think of it, when they presented Lord of the Rings Fellowship, the sound was overpowering, so it must be the audio mix of Supernatural. Smallville sounds very much the same as well -- almost a mono kind of effect even though my processor clearly registers 5.1.

I agree on the poor sound quality, though it seems to be less a problem with discrete channel effects (I've heard plenty) than that the overall fidelity is dull and lacking.

Can anyone confirm what format this show is shot in? The pilot episode looked like 35mm, but all subsequent episodes have had a strong "video" appearance.

Dr Pepper,

Was the song "Paranoid" by Ozzy Ozbourne? If memory serves, it was an Ozzy song.

-Suntan

Dr Pepper,

Was the song "Paranoid" by Ozzy Ozbourne? If memory serves, it was an Ozzy song.

-Suntan

"Working Man" by Rush was also played in this episode....

'Supernatural' Gets Full Season Pickup

By Chris Lisotta TVWeek.com October 6, 2005

The WB has given a full season order to its new Tuesday night horror drama "Supernatural."

The show, which premiered before the official start of the 2005-06 season Sept. 13, scored a 2.4 among adults 18 to 49 in its most recent airing Tuesday, according to Nielsen Media Research. That was up 9 percent from its performance in the demo the previous week.

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=8692

Dr Pepper,

Was the song "Paranoid" by Ozzy Ozbourne? If memory serves, it was an Ozzy song.

That's the song, thanks. :) A Google search finds that it was an Ozzy and Black Sabbath song. I listened to a clip of the BS version on Amazon and that sounds like what I heard (didn't try to find Ozzy's). Black Sabbath was actually the name I thought I heard one time when a music infomercial was on. :D I just didn't know the title. :cool:

In case you "Young Timers" don't remember, Ozzy was in Black Sabbath. I just dated myself.

The funny thing is, Supernatural seems more like the old Night Stalker, than the new Night Stalker is.

In case you "Young Timers" don't remember, Ozzy was in Black Sabbath. I just dated myself.

Whoops! :o I guess I did hear that at one time. :rolleyes:

In case you "Young Timers" don't remember, Ozzy was in Black Sabbath. I just dated myself.

I am a young timer, and yes I knew Ozzy was part of Black Sabbath, I just figured a person that can't immediately tell "Paranoid" (from its first guitar chord :cool: ) wouldn't know the difference between Ozzy and Black Sabbath.

Anyway, you don't have to be an old timer... ...Just an appreciator of righteous music. ;)

-Suntan

Does anyone know who played the girlfriend Jessie in the pilot? IMDB is lacking this kind of information on this show.

Does anyone know who played the girlfriend Jessie in the pilot? IMDB is lacking this kind of information on this show.

IMDB is usually better with movies, not TV shows.

I use this website for info:

http://www.epguides.com

Which has details on the pilot linked to this site:

http://www.tv.com/supernatural/pilot/episode/440369/summary.html

Which reveals that the actress who played Jessica is:

Adrianne Palicki (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1597316/)

Here's some photo's of her:

http://jupiter2.freeyellow.com/palicki/TV/adriannepalickijup2comtv.htm

No, it's not. It does have a little more contrast than most shows, but the colors aren't not supposed to be washed out like that.I can only get Supernatural in SD, and the PQ is outstanding even though colors are somewhat muted. All other channels are fine.

Well, they sort-of addressed the fake ID issue this week, when the morgue attendant didn't buy their routine and they finally had to just bribe him.

On the whole, last nights episode was more in line with the pilot... ...pluasible scariness to it. Thumbs up.

-Suntan

(From Marc Berman’s Programming Insider column of Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at Mediaweek.com)

“…. Over at the WB, week five of Supernatural remained the real deal at a 4.2/ 6 in the overnights, 4.98 million viewers and a 2.3/ 6 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m. Retention for Supernatural out of Gilmore Girls was a solid 84 percent in the overnights, 83 percent in total viewers, and 88 percent among adults 18-49. ..”

That was a pretty good episode last night, it certainly gave me the creeps.

Plus, the PQ was wonderful. I thought it looked incredibly crisp and clear. It’s almost like they’re shooting this thing on video, I couldn’t see any grain at all.

Plus, the PQ was wonderful. I thought it looked incredibly crisp and clear. It’s almost like they’re shooting this thing on video, I couldn’t see any grain at all.

Speak for yourself. The goons at my affiliate forgot to switch it over to HD for the entire show... :rolleyes:

-Suntan

That was a pretty good episode last night, it certainly gave me the creeps.
Creepy. That took me waay back to camping at night and some of the kids would recite that line from the show, and.....*shudder*

"Bloody Mary" was a good episode.

But you gotta look past the The Ring ripoffs. "Mary" looked just like the girl from Ring (long black hair covering face, dirty white dress, bare feet) and the way she crawled out of the broken mirror frame was very familar to how Ring girl crawled out of the TV to scare the one guy to death.

Can anyone confirm what format this show is shot in? The pilot episode looked like 35mm, but all subsequent episodes have had a strong "video" appearance.

Josh,

I can confirm that the show is still shot on 35mm film. Kodak 5218 stock. Any video appearance you perceive must be a result of the lighting choices and color grading of the show.

I can confirm that the show is still shot on 35mm film. Kodak 5218 stock. Any video appearance you perceive must be a result of the lighting choices and color grading of the show.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Speak for yourself. The goons at my affiliate forgot to switch it over to HD for the entire show... :rolleyes:

-SuntanSuntan-KMWB is having problems with their HD receiver. They are working on the problem.

We are enjoying this show. My only complaint, they drive a 1967 Chevy Impala 4-door sedan instead of a coupe. I suppose it is easier for the actors to get in and out of the back seat on a sedan but you don't see many street rod sedan's.

My only complaint, they drive a 1967 Chevy Impala 4-door sedan instead of a coupe. I suppose it is easier for the actors to get in and out of the back seat on a sedan but you don't see many street rod sedan's.

I'm guessing the sedan was originally a hand-me-down from the Dad to the eldest son. Could have originally been a "family" car, hence the 4-doors...or, the only way the wife would allow the husband to buy an Impala is if it had 4-doors...for the family.

Suntan-KMWB is having problems with their HD receiver. They are working on the problem.

Yes, I know. Gilmore Girls tripped in and out all through the hour before. Supposedly, Q1 06 they will get it fixed up.

-Suntan

(From Marc Berman’s Wednesday, October 19, 2005 Programming Insider column at Mediaweek.com)

“…at the WB, Supernatural (Overnights: 3.7/ 5; Viewers: 4.89 million, A18-49: 2.3/ 6) ranked a respectable fifth in all three categories, with retention out of Gilmore Girls of 83 percent in total viewers and 85 percent among adults 18-49…”

I finally watched the recent episode, was it just me or was there a plot hole big enough to drive a Durango through? How did Rebecca go from being tied to a chair all bloodied and battered to an underground sewer covered with a blanket in the same evening? She said she was walking home and everything went white? She casually walked home after being beaten by the shape shifter? Did I miss something?

Never watched Gilmore Girls, but I do remember pointing out that the one brother was a super mutant on Dark Angel in the later seasons.




Yeah, he was Alec on that show (they killed that poor show in the 2nd season with a basic reboot, too bad but it wasn't his fault)

My girlfriend has been ranting at me that he was Lana's boyfriend on Smallville, but I've never watched that show.

I finally watched the recent episode, was it just me or was there a plot hole big enough to drive a Durango through? How did Rebecca go from being tied to a chair all bloodied and battered to an underground sewer covered with a blanket in the same evening? She said she was walking home and everything went white? She casually walked home after being beaten by the shape shifter? Did I miss something?

I had the same questions about that, very odd.

I started watching this show because of my girlfriend. She's a Gilmore Girls junkie and this comes on right after. I basically have to download NCIS the day after, the compromises of relationships!!!!!

I'm enjoying it, but as many have stated, it's popcorn entertainment. If you start looking for plot holes in a show that already has an 'out there like Pluto' premise than you are just asking for trouble.

I deleted that ep of supernatural already, so I can't tell you what happened with that Rebecca thing. He worked her over pretty good (chaines, ropes, etc), so I can't imagine she was walking ANYWHERE immediately after, not without an escort. The 'evil dean' had gotten away after all, he might have come after her again.

I know what you mean, I treat this stuff as popcorn entertainment and typically roll my eyes at some of the stuff. But the plot hole here was so discombobulating I had to rewind and rewatch just to make sure I didn't have a minor stroke and missed 10 minutes of plot. I think they must have rushed the editing or had a timing problem during shooting and they were left with a very disjointed episode. It still is a fun show.

Watched that episode last night. It was strange that she no longer looked beaten up (think she had a split lip, though), and that she had been willing to walk anywhere alone after what she had just been through. Still like the show, though - however, I prefer the creepier episodes like the pilot and the "Bloody Mary" show the week before.

THE 2005-2006 TV SEASON
Scared Yet?

Rating TV's new creep shows

By Matt Roush, TVGuide.com

Thanks to Lost, TV has once again developed a taste for all things fantastic and spooky. Having grown up with scary movies on TV, from '30s-era Frankenstein classics to the cheesy monster romps lovingly mocked on Mystery Science Theater 3000, I'm delighted by this trend. The results can range from the truly horrific to the just plain horrible as the networks rediscover the thrills that evoke such iconic hits as The X-Files and The Twilight Zone — which I'll use as my benchmark.

SUPERNATURAL (Tuesdays, 9 PM ET/PT, WB)
Alternate Title: "The Boo Brothers"
Zone-worthy? Yes, if you like campfire stories. Each punchy episode is a mini-horror movie, as two ghostbusting brothers cross the country to confront evil forces from urban and local legends. The midflight airborne exorcism was especially cool.
Drawback: The ghoul-of-the-week formula can get old, but the show delivers shivers with boyish zeal.
Fear Factor: (0–10) 7

http://tvguide.com/tv/roush/review/

I started watching this show because of my girlfriend. She's a Gilmore Girls junkie and this comes on right after. I basically have to download NCIS the day after, the compromises of relationships!!!!!


DVR - means never having to miss a show because of one of her girly shows.... ;)

-Suntan

DVR - means never having to miss a show because of one of her girly shows.... ;)

-Suntan


LOL yeah I know, but I only have one tuner. I have one of the those funky a/b cable systems, so the dual tuner DVRs won't work with it. So I'm stuck with Gilmore Bleeping Girls until we move in a few weeks to a house with one line cable. Then I'm getting 2 dual tuner DVRs and she'll be banished to the bedroom for all her girly girl stuff. :-)

Last nights show was pretty good. The female couldn't act, but what are you going to do.

I do like the fact that they show the brothers spending a lot of time researching historical archives for imformation. As much time would be burnt trying to find such information. They don't just ask one or two people around the local dinner and happen upon the 'local legend' after 5 mins of snooping.

-Suntan

I liked last night's show too. They killed off the hot girl and kept the average looking girl alive, a major script flaw ;) The FX with the hook guy was very well done, way better than you normally see on TV. WB isn't 5.1 here but I thought the audio was great too.

Yeah, he was Alec on that show (they killed that poor show in the 2nd season with a basic reboot, too bad but it wasn't his fault)

My girlfriend has been ranting at me that he was Lana's boyfriend on Smallville, but I've never watched that show.

i think your girlfriend is talking about Jensen Ackles(Dean) who played Jason Teague on SMALLVILLE all last season. oddly enough they never showed Jason's body in the SMALLVILLE season pilot so maybe a guest appearance this season? or(god forbid) a SUPERNATURAL tie-in? LOL.
seriously i liked the Hookman episode as well-good SFX's, scary plot, and at last a perfectly plausible way for the bros' to blend in with the locals. and i loved them driving off to BOSTON's "Peace of Mind".

jim

seriously i liked the Hookman episode as well-good SFX's, scary plot, and at last a perfectly plausible way for the bros' to blend in with the locals. and i loved them driving off to BOSTON's "Peace of Mind".

jim

Yeah, the show still manages to creep me out once a week, which is impressive, as I'm a bit of a horror geek. I'd like to see some more 'dad mythology' episodes where they actually find traces of him, or some glimpse into why he is missing. But I'm willing to be a patient for a while longer. I'm sure they are saving it for the season cliffhanger.

Is anyone missing any of the picture from the right side? I am missing about 6" of vertical picture on my 120" screen. The show also could be framed wrong I guess? This is with no overscan, on WB-HD here in DFW.

It looked fine to me.

Not a bad episode last night.. I thought they colors were a little too muted. They looked almost like CSI-NY did last season.. You got a glimpse into the wacky family life and we got to see dear old dad. The palm reader reminded me of the poltergeist (come into the light) lady. You even learn some interesting stuff about the young son. All in all not a bad tv program.

Not a bad episode last night.. I thought they colors were a little too muted. They looked almost like CSI-NY did last season.. You got a glimpse into the wacky family life and we got to see dear old dad. The palm reader reminded me of the poltergeist (come into the light) lady. You even learn some interesting stuff about the young son. All in all not a bad tv program.

this was a VERY good ep.!!! i guessed the one plot twst after the reference to "there's another spirit here..." but Dad popping up at the end caught me by surprise.


jim

Just got finished watching this episode and agree, another excellent 44 minutes of TV. Probably second only to the Hookman episode. The mother haunting the house was obvious as soon as the psychic said them, but still, nothing wrong with that.

In regards to the comment on Poltergeist & the psychic in this episode... You have to give the show props for one thing. I believe it was Sam that said something like "While she does the Zelda Rubenstein thing."

WOW!!!

Everything about this episode was incredible...the continuing story, Sam's voyage of personal discovery...but that plumber scene! sheez...talk about suspense. Its been a long time since a weekly television show had me practically covering my eyes begging for the inevitable not to happen. That was a classic horror scene...it was AWESOME!!!

I thought Missouri was going to be killed by the evil spirit as she was walking through her house during that final scene, it just had that feeling to it. I was totally surprised to see their dad there, I figured maybe he had died or something.

If the mom can come back and be a helpful spirit pal then maybe the hot girl friend will start doing that too.

- Tom

Just got finished watching this episode and agree, another excellent 44 minutes of TV. Probably second only to the Hookman episode. The mother haunting the house was obvious as soon as the psychic said them, but still, nothing wrong with that.

In regards to the comment on Poltergeist & the psychic in this episode... You have to give the show props for one thing. I believe it was Sam that said something like "While she does the Zelda Rubenstein thing."Wow I missed hearing him say that.. good line... :D

If the mom can come back and be a helpful spirit pal then maybe the hot girl friend will start doing that too.

- Tom
Remember, we saw her spirit on the street corner looking hot at the end of the "dead boy in the lake" episode. You gotta think she'll be back.

And I agree on the comments about the suspense in the scene with the plumber - that was excellent. You knew it was going to happen, but the director made you wait and really cranked up the tension.

IMHO another good episode last night...

WOW!!!

Everything about this episode was incredible...the continuing story, Sam's voyage of personal discovery...but that plumber scene! sheez...talk about suspense. Its been a long time since a weekly television show had me practically covering my eyes begging for the inevitable not to happen. That was a classic horror scene...it was AWESOME!!!

Yeah, one of those moments you KNEW exactly what was going to happen and it still scared the hell out of you lol

IMHO another good episode last night...

Yeah, let's see where this dad thing is going to go...any thoughts on what he meant by 'the truth'? (his reason for not contacting his kids).

I wonder if Sam's new abilities have something to do with his mother/girlfriend's deaths?

Yeah, let's see where this dad thing is going to go...any thoughts on what he meant by 'the truth'? (his reason for not contacting his kids).

I wonder if Sam's new abilities have something to do with his mother/girlfriend's deaths?Could very well be....

Is anyone else still watching this show? At the beginning of the season, I wasn't expecting a lot, but I think the show is realy coming into its own.

Tonight's show had the feeling of a good X Files episode. The story moved along nicely, the hook was well set up, and the end felt right. I also like the look of the look of the show, with its muted colors and sharp details.

Scott

Is anyone else still watching this show? the look of the show, with its muted colors and sharp details.

Scott


I've got the last few episodes recorded but haven't gotten around to watching them yet. Your post might be the impetus I need to cause me to catch up.

Well, I watched the last episode. But while I was watching American Idol tonight, waiting for Supernatural to come on, I fell asleep on the couch and when I woke up the news was on! D'oh!

I've been enjoying the show. It's got a good feel to it. It was nice to see Julie Benz (Darla from Angel) again.

Is anyone else still watching this show? At the beginning of the season, I wasn't expecting a lot, but I think the show is realy coming into its own.

Tonight's show had the feeling of a good X Files episode. The story moved along nicely, the hook was well set up, and the end felt right. I also like the look of the look of the show, with its muted colors and sharp details.

ScottI was thinking the exact same thing. Perfect muted colors, nice PQ and the story was pretty good.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Perfect muted colors, nice PQ and the story was pretty good.


I agree, good ep. The Reaper was pretty spooky, even if it was just an old guy in makeup and a suit. Less is more I guess, he made me cringe. So that was the actress that played Darla in Angel? I knew her from somewhere, just couldn't place it. Probably because she wasn't being 'evil' :-)

I was thinking the exact same thing. Perfect muted colors, nice PQ and the story was pretty good.
Agreed. I've been watching this show from the beginning, and have always been impressed with the PQ. Particularly in the dark and dingy scenes. Nice shadow detail...

the reaper looked a look like the guy that kept showing up in paul callan's dreams on the show "miracles" on abc a few years ago.

No surprise there though, considering that Richard Hatem, creator of miracles, is the exec producer of Supernatural...This episode of SN definitely felt like a miracles episode

This could be good or bad (minor spoilers):

Supernatural Will Give Answers (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34209)

I definitely agree that shows can lose an audience's attention by dragging things out for too long. The trick is to balance the dragging with a good resolution. If they can pull off both, they'll have done what a lot of other shows have failed to do.

It should be interesting; I've liked what they've done so far.

Scott

This could be good or bad (minor spoilers):

Supernatural Will Give Answers (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34209)

I definitely agree that shows can lose an audience's attention by dragging things out for too long. The trick is to balance the dragging with a good resolution. If they can pull off both, they'll have done what a lot of other shows have failed to do.

It should be interesting; I've liked what they've done so far.

ScottI like the show a lot and I for one am glad they are going to startt to get into the answers of what's up with Dad.

I was disappointed with tonight's episode. The race issue was treated to heavily-handed. The romance angle seemed a forced and over the top. The gratuitous sex scene was pandering to an audience that probably doesn't watch this show anyway.

I did like the resolution, but I thought all of the background and supporting material was weak.

On an unrelated note, has everyone noticed the two to three classic rock songs that are used in each episode? I think it's odd that they're using songs so liberally throughout the show. Weren't there lots of problems in the past with music royalties, making that kind of use too expensive to be practical? Maybe they were able to work out some kind of special deal?

Scott

gotta agree with scott..

tonight's episode was probably the low point for the series..the music kiled the scene where the mom was explaining the story. She was crying and crying and they were playing pretty lame music. There would've been a much much better impact with no music.

Warner Bros. has the rights to a lot of classic songs...deals ought to be simple enough. In fact, in many of the WB shows there is plenty of cross marketing between the new artists they are trying to push and the soundtracks of the shows.

As far as the show itself? I thought the cross between Steven King's Christine and the Flying Dutchman was a nice concept. Two old concepts equal an original twist. Nice.

I certainly hope this show makes the cut on the new CW....

The girlfriend's big hair and bad 80s fashion sense was what I found most distracting the entire episode. She could have stepped out of an episode of "Fame".

This show suffers from poor writing and bad acting. I put on my recording of BSG from last Friday to watch instead.

On an unrelated note, has everyone noticed the two to three classic rock songs that are used in each episode? I think it's odd that they're using songs so liberally throughout the show. Weren't there lots of problems in the past with music royalties, making that kind of use too expensive to be practical? Maybe they were able to work out some kind of special deal?

Scott


The problems they've had with licensing are from older shows/movies that existed before VCRs and DVDs were commonplace. The licensing did not cover these media, and expired after a set number of years.

That's one of the reasons why WKRP in Cincinnati may never show up on DVD. They have to go back and renegotiate the licensing on all the music. Miami Vice took a long time to come out as well, but I think they knew the investment was worth it (not sure how well WKRP would sell).

New contracts included VHS, DVD, and digital media, and last longer.

That's one of the reasons why WKRP in Cincinnati may never show up on DVD. They have to go back and renegotiate the licensing on all the music. Miami Vice took a long time to come out as well, but I think they knew the investment was worth it (not sure how well WKRP would sell).


I never have really understood the logic behind that stance. You'd think the original artist/producer would kill to get their music on a TV show. It's all about exposure, and it might lead to increased sales of long-dormant music if people get to hear the songs again; sort of like free advertising.

I never have really understood the logic behind that stance. You'd think the original artist/producer would kill to get their music on a TV show. It's all about exposure, and it might lead to increased sales of long-dormant music if people get to hear the songs again; sort of like free advertising.

That might make logical sense to any rational thinking person, but it's not how the music industry operates.

Weak episode? Yes. But the formula of the show is working still IMO. Let's hope they bounce back from that low point. I did think the scarecrow episode was pretty good. Reminded me of the short story, "The Lottery" for some reason.

For those of you who may have missed it in the news post:

Current time period holder "Supernatural" will transition to Thursdays at 9 p.m. starting March 16, replacing the latest cycle of the soon-to-be-completed reality series "Beauty and The Geek." Lead-in "Smallville" will remain at 8 p.m. Ugh.

Although it may benefit from the Smallville lead-in, it also puts the show up against one of my other favorites, The Office.

I guess I'll need to get an HDDVR.

Scott

This show suffers from poor writing and bad acting. I put on my recording of BSG from last Friday to watch instead.I actually think most of the episodes have been pretty solid. I wouldn't say every one of them was perfect, but on a whole it's been an entertaining season.

The acting by the leads has been good, I think. Some of the guest stars performances have been uneven, but never to the point where it distracted me from the story.

Of all the new sci-fi/fantasy/horror shows that we got this season, this is the only one I'm still watching. I hope it gets renewed, and I'm looking forward to see where the current arc leads.

Scott

For those of you who may have missed it in the news post:

Ugh.

Although it may benefit from the Smallville lead-in, it also puts the show up against one of my other favorites, The Office.

I guess I'll need to get an HDDVR.

Scott

You woun't regret it. I put off buying one for so long...now can't imagine being without one. ;)

But the formula of the show is working still IMO. Let's hope they bounce back from that low point. I did think the scarecrow episode was pretty good. Reminded me of the short story, "The Lottery" for some reason.I agree. I like the way the way they've set up and executed the premise. Even though it's a monster-of-the-week type show, I think they've managed to keep things interesting.

I liked the scarecrow episode also, although I got more of a Jeepers Creepers feel from it. What I would like to see in the future are some more original stories. Some have felt a little to "inspired by" to me. There are a lot of other urban legends/folklore stories out there that could be seen in a new light.

Scott

You woun't regret it. I put off buying one for so long...now can't imagine being without one. ;)Oh, I know. I've got a regular DVR, but if I want to record an HD show I've got to settle for recording it in pseudo-anamorphic mode and then stretch it. It's not horrible, but it's certainly not HD.

I've been looking for a decent model to buy, but reading the comments in the HD Recording forum they all have drawbacks. I may be switching from Dish to Warner Cable, so I might end up with a Scientific Atlanta 3250HD.

Scott

Ok...last week was Stephen King's "Christine", but it was a Truck and not a Car...

This week it was Stephen King's "Carrie", but a guy an not a chick....

I love the 'urban legend' angles...some of the more 'cliche' angles can be entertaining, but when I get the 'where have I seen this before' angle, I'm like....hmmmmmm.....

Ok...last week was Stephen King's "Christine", but it was a Truck and not a Car...

This week it was Stephen King's "Carrie", but a guy an not a chick....

I love the 'urban legend' angles...some of the more 'cliche' angles can be entertaining, but when I get the 'where have I seen this before' angle, I'm like....hmmmmmm.....

In terms of his abilities yes I can see the resemblance. But in this case they are making it a part of the show's 'mythology'...Sam is developing these same powers, and they seem to have come as a result of his mother's murder. I'm interested to see where they are taking it.

In terms of his abilities yes I can see the resemblance. But in this case they are making it a part of the show's 'mythology'...Sam is developing these same powers, and they seem to have come as a result of his mother's murder. I'm interested to see where they are taking it.I am also.. That demon that got mom seems to be popping up every where..

I've been looking for a decent model to buy, but reading the comments in the HD Recording forum they all have drawbacks. I may be switching from Dish to Warner Cable, so I might end up with a Scientific Atlanta 3250HD.

Scott

I made that very same switch back because of the 921 fiasco and because I wanted an active firewire port - which the SA3250HD has (have to make sure you request one with an active 1394 port, not all of them have them). But, the 3250 is not an HD-DVR. For that, you'll need the SA8300HD, a terrific dual-tuner box with a relatively smallish 160 gb HDD. I really like mine (actually, I have both). But, you won't be able to get active firewire on that box, if that's still an issue for you. And, depending on whether your MSO runs SARA or Passport software, you may be able to get one with an active serial ATA port that will allow you add-on expansion drives to increase your HDD capacity (SARA-yes, Passport-no). Sadly, I'm in the Passport group.

I made that very same switch back because of the 921 fiasco and because I wanted an active firewire port - which the SA3250HD has (have to make sure you request one with an active 1394 port, not all of them have them). But, the 3250 is not an HD-DVR. For that, you'll need the SA8300HD, a terrific dual-tuner box with a relatively smallish 160 gb HDD. I really like mine (actually, I have both). But, you won't be able to get active firewire on that box, if that's still an issue for you. And, depending on whether your MSO runs SARA or Passport software, you may be able to get one with an active serial ATA port that will allow you add-on expansion drives to increase your HDD capacity (SARA-yes, Passport-no). Sadly, I'm in the Passport group.
Thanks for the advise. I may not be getting a SA box after all. The recent deal on the Sony HDDVRs was to good to pass up, so I snatched one up. So far, so good, and it has a cable card slot if I end up going with Time Warner.

I am so happy, I've been waiting for months, and was easily able to convince the wife that it was a great (and necessary) deal.

But, enough about me. I liked last week's episode, although I'm getting a little tired of the rash of character-exits-via-suicide plot devices lately. And not just in this show, but a bunch of different shows. It just comes across as a lazy writer's crutch. They should either come up with more creative solutions, or stop writing themselves into corners.

It will be interesting to see where the brother's character arcs lead them as this season ends, and where it might lead in to the next.

Scott

Tonight's episode was really well done. The premise was set up nicely, the dialog was well-written, and the acting was decent. I also liked how it sort of broke from the monster-of-the-week formula.

My only complaint was the predictability of the ending. I'm a little torn on this point though. Even though it was easily predictable, it also felt right.

The preview for the episode coming up in two weeks looks promising. The creators had said that they would end this season with some resolution, so it will be interesting to see how far they take it.

Scott

Tonight's episode was really well done. The premise was set up nicely, the dialog was well-written, and the acting was decent. I also liked how it sort of broke from the monster-of-the-week formula.

My only complaint was the predictability of the ending. I'm a little torn on this point though. Even though it was easily predictable, it also felt right.

The preview for the episode coming up in two weeks looks promising. The creators had said that they would end this season with some resolution, so it will be interesting to see how far they take it.

ScottYes I am also looking foward to seeing how far they take the Dad angle.

Tonight's episode was really well done. The premise was set up nicely, the dialog was well-written, and the acting was decent. I also liked how it sort of broke from the monster-of-the-week formula.

My only complaint was the predictability of the ending. I'm a little torn on this point though. Even though it was easily predictable, it also felt right.

The preview for the episode coming up in two weeks looks promising. The creators had said that they would end this season with some resolution, so it will be interesting to see how far they take it.

Scott

I have to admit that this episode really kept me on the edge. Your right about being predictable, and even so...it still grabs you. Because its a series, you KNOW the main characters have to survive, but still...the writers do wonders with the 'suspense' factor to make it 'feel right' as you said. Its an incredible show...

I have to admit that this episode really kept me on the edge. Your right about being predictable, and even so...it still grabs you. Because its a series, you KNOW the main characters have to survive, but still...the writers do wonders with the 'suspense' factor to make it 'feel right' as you said. Its an incredible show...In my criticism, the predictability I was referring to wasn't about the the brother's survival. Rather, I was referring to the ultimate resolution of the deputy - specifically shooting the deranged father. As soon as they left her alone with him, you just knew she was going to kill him and just say that he tried to escape. The ending was obvious, but it was also completely within her character to do so.

The same applies to the previous week's suicide of the battered son. His suicide was predictable, but also believable. The line between a doomed-character's fate and a simply predictable plot device is a fine one to walk. Overall, I think they're doing an OK job with respect to this, but if we start to see it being used too often, the stories will suffer.And I will agree with you, for a TV show, they are doing a great job of keeping the stories suspenseful. I'm eager to see if their father will be treated as a 'safe' character, or if his life is up for grabs. Adding the father to the team could add a really interesting dynamic, whether he teams up with his sons, or continues to work separately from them.

Either way, the show is keeping my interest. It's odd that I am getting more of a Kolchak feel from this show than I did from ABC's disappointing remake. (That's a good thing, by the way.)

Scott

I was really happy with tonight's episode, especially the ending.

This show just keeps me wanting to watch week after week. I like the continuity, I like the banter between the characters, and the adversaries are interesting. Some of the writing is downright clever. The production values are really top-notch, from set design to cinematography to makeup (I have to admit I'm surprised that they can get away with the amount of gore featured in some of the episodes - not that I mind).

So, where will the current story arc lead us? I'm not sure, but I'm just glad to be part of the ride. I thought this would be the weakest of this last season's new fantasy/sci-fi/horror offerings, but it has easily turned out to be the best.

Scott

A great episode.. I really like this show... Great twists and turns as more details come out about dad.

I was really happy with tonight's episode, especially the ending.

This show just keeps me wanting to watch week after week. I like the continuity, I like the banter between the characters, and the adversaries are interesting. Some of the writing is downright clever. The production values are really top-notch, from set design to cinematography to makeup (I have to admit I'm surprised that they can get away with the amount of gore featured in some of the episodes - not that I mind).

So, where will the current story arc lead us? I'm not sure, but I'm just glad to be part of the ride. I thought this would be the weakest of this last season's new fantasy/sci-fi/horror offerings, but it has easily turned out to be the best.

Scott


Agreed. What I liked about last night's episode is that they took the mystery of why their dad left them and gave a practical reason why they needed to stay apart. The boys are his weak spot, and will continue to be so until he figures out how to take out the demon permanently.

I was glad to see the evil b*tch from hell (literally) isn't dead, she's too much fun to kill off for now. :-)

Funny, the wife thought this was the worst [acted] episode...

I thought the plot and concept were OK until the end. There should have been consequences, or a show of force / level of effort to regain control from [what's her name].

v/r,
C-F

Funny, the wife thought this was the worst [acted] episode...

I thought the plot and concept were OK until the end. There should have been consequences, or a show of force / level of effort to regain control from [what's her name].

v/r,
C-FWell she did get thrown out a window..

Well she did get thrown out a window..

...and lived...it is supernatural you know! lol... :p

And yes...this show is amazingly cool. The writers have captured a formula here that is really working. Psychobitch does add something too...the plot thickens...

They could have done a better job of portraying Chicago though...I mean, "gotham city" in Batman Begins looked more chicago than chicago here did! :D

Well, I am all wet. I totally forgot that the altar was not the controlling device, rather the amulet. I think the fall was just part of the plan (or a branch).

Of course the altar could have still been the controlling device, and the amulet was only protection...

Still, I was waiting for some level of effort from the "big bad" after the boys made the comments about the level of power/expertise needed to control such creatures.

v/r,
C-F

Well, over the last two weeks I was finally able to catch up with watching all the episodes broadcast so far.

Overall, the most recent stories have continued to be well done. I think the creators are really hitting a groove on the show. There are only two episodes left for the season, and we're really starting to see things get set up for a rousing finale, although I'm sensing impending for a character.

I don't think they've officially announced that the show will be picked up by the new CW network yet, but the odds are pretty good. If not, maybe another network will consider it. I would expect that season two will be even better, since the groundwork has been laid out and they're moving along on a good track.

If any of you have been watching, make sure to check out the last two episodes.

Scott

Wow, I can't believe it's been over five months since the last post to this thread. Hopefully, interest hasn't dropped off.

I just watched the last two episodes tonight. I thought they were fantastic. There were a number of twists, and surprises. Plus, it kind of gives the show a new direction.

Tomorrow night is the season two premiere on the new CW. I have high hopes for this series. The time slot is less than ideal, but it's the only thing on that I'm interested in.

Anyone else out there excited about it? The characters a broken in, the setting has been established, the look of the show is distinctive. We're all set up for a great season two.

Scott

I have my DVR set to record all episodes of Supernatural and Smallville (8:00). I'm a fan of both these WB (I mean CW) shows!

I have my DVR set to record all episodes of Supernatural and Smallville (8:00). I'm a fan of both these WB (I mean CW) shows!

I'm right there with you. :)

I've got my DVR set for both, but Supernatural is going to get CRUSHED by the competition tonight. If it manages 3.5 million viewers that's probably great.

I've got my DVR set for both, but Supernatural is going to get CRUSHED by the competition tonight. If it manages 3.5 million viewers that's probably great.

It's been hanging tough, considering how brutal the competition has been.

Some good eps so far...I'm interested in getting back to the Demon mythology though.

Doesn't anybody watch this great show anymore...

Of well the best last night was the evil twins name: He used Weber as an alias with his real (in the show) name being Anson Williams..

Can anyone say Potsie Weber ... :D Too funny

Doesn't anybody watch this great show anymore...

Of well the best last night was the evil twins name: He used Weber as an alias with his real (in the show) name being Anson Williams..

Can anyone say Potsie Weber ... :D Too funny


Good episode..."These aren't the droids you're looking for...." :-)

Last night's show was pretty good. I'm enjoying it.

I'm still watching. And wondering if the one brother is going to turn out to be half demon or something. I always like themes where there are both good & bad demons for some reason. And they sort of seem to be going in that direction.

- Tom

I think this is one of the best second seasons for a show, period....most shows go downhill after year one, but this has gotten so much better, it isn't even funny.

I'm still watching. And wondering if the one brother is going to turn out to be half demon or something.

Yep I get the feeling that there are some paternity issues here.

That was one of the better episodes I've seen this season, I must say. But this season seems to be lacking some of the really creepy stuff that the first season had, which I kind of miss...

That was one of the better episodes I've seen this season, I must say. But this season seems to be lacking some of the really creepy stuff that the first season had, which I kind of miss...Next weeks looks creepy... :eek:

Yep I get the feeling that there are some paternity issues here.

Yup. What did dad whisper in his brother's ear? Dean knows something about his brother he isn't sharing.

Yup. What did dad whisper in his brother's ear? Dean knows something about his brother he isn't sharing.

That's simple.

Dean knows that Dad made a deal with the Demon to die instead of Dean dying,
and that the Demon now has the Colt.


Jerry

That's simple.

Dean knows that Dad made a deal with the Demon to die instead of Dean dying,
and that the Demon now has the Colt.


Jerry

You sure? Somehow I got the impression there was some info about Sam passed there.

- Tom

You sure? Somehow I got the impression there was some info about Sam passed there.

- Tom

That was my take as well.

That's simple.

Dean knows that Dad made a deal with the Demon to die instead of Dean dying,
and that the Demon now has the Colt.


Jerry

I'm pretty sure he was warning him about Sam and the Demon's plans for him and others like him.

Interesting episode tonight with Linda Blair and very funny reference at the end:
"She look familiar?"
"Not really"
"You hungry? I could really go for some pea soup".

If you are not watching this show, you are missing out..The second season continues to amaze. This is one of the best shows on tv, period.

Next week's episode looks awesome. They have kicked it up a notch for november sweeps.

Interesting episode tonight with Linda Blair and very funny reference at the end:
"She look familiar?"
"Not really"
"You hungry? I could really go for some pea soup".

Man, that had to be the best part of this episode.

Man, that had to be the best part of this episode.
Actually, I thought that was:

"Then what do we do?"
"We salt and burn her bones"
"...oh, of course..."

Interesting episode tonight with Linda Blair and very funny reference at the end:
"She look familiar?"
"Not really"
"You hungry? I could really go for some pea soup".

I liked that bit...just barely enough to make up for actually having Linda Blair in the episode. Don't get me wrong...it was a great ep...it's just that Blair's acting was horrible. Very forced and unnatural.

What? I thought her acting was very natural, maybe even, super natural. ...Sorry.

Seriously though, I thought her acting was great. She certainly had me convinced she was a cop.

The well placed humor is great in this show. Like when Sam was making reference to The Davinci Code and Dean gave him a blank look then, "I was really waiting for the movie on that one", or something to that effect.
It's always good to have this to look forward too after the letdown of Smallville. I'm not really a Horror person, but, with some hold-over from Buffy/Angel, and cast members (the fair Lenore), make it fun to watch. Also as I have a brother, I was largely hooked by the interaction of them as brothers from the start.

This show indeed seems to get better week to week. Excellent episode. Great chemistry between Dean and Sam.

If you are not watching this show, you are missing out..The second season continues to amaze. This is one of the best shows on tv, period.

Next week's episode looks awesome. They have kicked it up a notch for november sweeps.

the opening scene that recapped all their various disguises and false identities cracked me up. Hard to believe they are only 1.3 seasons in.

Interesting episode tonight with Linda Blair and very funny reference at the end:
"She look familiar?"
"Not really"
"You hungry? I could really go for some pea soup".

I got a kick out of Linda Blair in this ep...I was hoping she'd get possessed by the spirit :-)

I got a kick out of Linda Blair in this ep...I was hoping she'd get possessed by the spirit :-)

Yeah, that would have been a real head turner.

Yeah, that would have been a real head turner.

I need an old priest and a young priest....the POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!

Cool episode...the old haunted village thing...

I don't think I've seen a boring episode of Supernatural yet! The formula really works, give everyone a b-horror flick of the week with a common thread and you can't go wrong... ;)

Along with the evil tease that we would actually find out what Papa Winchester whispered ... evil, evil, evil promo department. :mad:

Along with the evil tease that we would actually find out what Papa Winchester whispered ... evil, evil, evil promo department. :mad:

Personally, I was yelling at the screen... :eek:

So, seriously, what can the secret be??? Obviously the demons were testing Sammy for something.

Yeah, the tease at the end sucked. Oh well, it's a good way to get viewers back next week. Another excellent episode.

Yeah, the tease at the end sucked. Oh well, it's a good way to get viewers back next week. Another excellent episode.

it's not going to be next week..in fact, i don't think they have announced when exactly it is coming back, but I'm guessing last week of January. They could have revealed it going into the hiatus to give viewers something to ponder..oh well.

So, seriously, what can the secret be??? Obviously the demons were testing Sammy for something.

I'm sticking with my theory that Papa Win is *not* Sam's bio-dad. ;) ... time will tell.

Well, last night I just caught up on the last five (yes five!) episodes of this series. I don't know why, but I have a hard time getting to watch them when they actually air.

Man, what a great show. Last season I had very low expectations for the series, but I ended up liking it quite a bit, but this season has yet to disappoint. The building of each story into the continuing arc is working better than it did for the X-Files. The recap of previous elements at the start of each episode also helps viewers follow the grand story.

The writing has been uniformly good. Each episode has balanced humor (not comedy) with genuine horror and tragedy. Pop references abound (California Cult kidnaps a girl named Katie Holmes, these aren't the droids you're looking for, etc.), but they're never distracting.

Acting from the guest stars can be somewhat uneven, but that's a characteristic for almost any serialized show. I was excited to see Linda Blair as a guest, but her performance was really flat and stiff. She was tough enough in the role, but it never felt believable to me.

In contrast, the two main leads are getting better and better each week. Their repartee has clearly and realistically developed into two brothers. Part of this is from the scripts, but the acting has really brought that out.

Production values are top-notch. I don't know how they are managing it, but each episode has the look and feel of a mid-budget movie. The special effects are particularly good, but so are the sets and location shots. I've mentioned this before, but I really, really like the look of the show. The muted colors and high contrast do an outstanding job of supporting the themes and feel of the show.

What I don't understand, is why people aren't watching. I've been unsuccessful in convincing any of my friends to give it a shot, even after explaining how good it is. Is it the title? The way it was originally sold as two young, cool guys on the road running into monsters? I don't get it.

I do hope that somehow the CW sees the value and potential for the show and renews it for next year. Maybe DVD sales are helping? As good as this season has become, I think we could see a real breakout for it in the third season, as everyone hits their stride.

Scott

What I don't understand, is why people aren't watching.

Brutal timeslot for one ...

I was expecting to hate this show, but I must admit that it's grown on me.

Well, last night I just caught up on the last five (yes five!) episodes of this series. I don't know why, but I have a hard time getting to watch them when they actually air.

Man, what a great show. Last season I had very low expectations for the series, but I ended up liking it quite a bit, but this season has yet to disappoint. The building of each story into the continuing arc is working better than it did for the X-Files. The recap of previous elements at the start of each episode also helps viewers follow the grand story.

The writing has been uniformly good. Each episode has balanced humor (not comedy) with genuine horror and tragedy. Pop references abound (California Cult kidnaps a girl named Katie Holmes, these aren't the droids you're looking for, etc.), but they're never distracting.

Acting from the guest stars can be somewhat uneven, but that's a characteristic for almost any serialized show. I was excited to see Linda Blair as a guest, but her performance was really flat and stiff. She was tough enough in the role, but it never felt believable to me.

In contrast, the two main leads are getting better and better each week. Their repartee has clearly and realistically developed into two brothers. Part of this is from the scripts, but the acting has really brought that out.

Production values are top-notch. I don't know how they are managing it, but each episode has the look and feel of a mid-budget movie. The special effects are particularly good, but so are the sets and location shots. I've mentioned this before, but I really, really like the look of the show. The muted colors and high contrast do an outstanding job of supporting the themes and feel of the show.

What I don't understand, is why people aren't watching. I've been unsuccessful in convincing any of my friends to give it a shot, even after explaining how good it is. Is it the title? The way it was originally sold as two young, cool guys on the road running into monsters? I don't get it.

I do hope that somehow the CW sees the value and potential for the show and renews it for next year. Maybe DVD sales are helping? As good as this season has become, I think we could see a real breakout for it in the third season, as everyone hits their stride.

ScottYes a great show... I love the inside jokes they throw in. Such as when they instooduced themselves once as Billy Gibbons and Frank Beard (ZZ Top). :D

I'm a big fan of the show also. I've been saying that Supernatural and Veronica Mars should be the face of The CW, two outstanding serials.

Well I was among the people who wrote this show off even though I watched buffy and smallville etc. This show at first glance seemed like a cheesy horror show, but I ran out of stuff to watch during this season's down time and decided to rent season 1 on dvd and to my surprise this show Rocks! It was about ten times better than I expected and is now one of my favorite shows. The brother's interactions are priceless and the dialogue is witty and well written. The ongoing story arc is well done and the special effects are top notch.. i didn't really expect any of those things to be true let alone all of them. This has to be one of the best kept secrets on TV. While I won't go as far as saying it is in my top 5 favorite shows it would for sure at least make my top 10 and is way above what I was expecting out of it. I have now watched all of season 1 on dvd (in about 2 weeks time) and am catching up on seasong 2. Hopefully I can get a few other people hooked.

What a nifty little episode tonight.

I was especially surprised by the opening, which really caught me off guard. Milwaukee is my local market, so it was particularly effective (although there isn't a channel 8 here).

The story kind of reminded me of the Fallen Angel episode of the Xfiles, which also featured a quirky character that knew something was going on.

Last week's episode was also quite good.

The show has managed to continue blending humor, suspense, and good dialog into a good story.

Scott

Agreed. I've been watching this show since the beginning,and it just gets better and better.

I agree, another good episode. Loved the beginning and ending.

This is a must watch show for me. I like the interactions of the brothers and the clever horror themes are the cherry on top of a great series. The overall story arc supplimented by closure of the events of the individual show make it an easy watch. You don't HAVE to have seen previous episodes, though you'll enjoy it more if you did.

That's where shows like the X-Files did well. The overall mythology arc was almost a footnote to the plot of the individual episode. Very few shows can really get away with a serial format over the course of one season, let alone several like Lost has done. That's why Invasion, Daybreak, Kidnapped and other serialized dramas failed: there was no payoff at the end of the episode. Even Lost has plot elements that are settled by the end of the show, despite the overall arc.

Look at the most popular shows that have been on TV in recent years: E.R., CSI, NYPD Blue, Friends. All of these had standalone shows, but there was an ongoing arc that stayed contant through each episode with references to events that happened in previous shows. Some of them were more self-contained than others, but it allowed new viewers to keep up while allowing long-term viewers to see growth in the characters.

Very well said. And since The CW wants to do away with the season-long mysteries on Veronica Mars, maybe they can take note of how Supernatural does it. Time to shoot an email off to Rob Thomas.....

Anybody else enjoy last week's episode: Tall Tales?

I'd have to say that this was one of my favorites from this season. In a lot of ways, it reminded me of those great, quirky episodes of the X-Files, written by Darin Morgan: Jose Chung's From Outer Space, Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose, etc. I had to double-check the credits to make sure he didn't write it (it was written by John Shiban).

If there was any doubt that this show deserved to be handed the X-Files' old crown, this episode put those feelings to rest.

It had a great mixture of humor based on character's perspective, and a fun plot. Earlier episodes have contained some humor, mostly between the brother's banter, but this one took it to much higher level, with plenty of laugh-out-loud moments.

For what it's worth, the Weekly World News (http://www.weeklyworldnews.com/stories/78) is rolling with it.

While I wouldn't want to see this kind of episode every week, it was a nice break from the dreary (but necessary) tone of the usual episodes.

This show is one of the few on TV that easily hold my interest with every episode.

Scott

Yes, that's it! This episode did remind me of some of the more lighthearted X-Files episodes (and the Jose Chung's From Outer Space is one of THE best, bar none).

Best 5.1 mix on TV for my money. What is odd is that our local presents Smallville in 2 channel, but when SUPERNATURAL's Dolby kicks in -- watch out!

That was indeed a great episode. Scenes such as Dean stuffing his face with biscuits in Sams recount of what happened show why this is the best program on TV at the moment.

You are also right about the 5.1 track, it especially is deep when the car drives past. Quality programming at its best.

Best 5.1 mix on TV for my money. What is odd is that our local presents Smallville in 2 channel, but when SUPERNATURAL's Dolby kicks in -- watch out!

Smallville is produced in DD2.0, so you're local affiliate is doing the right thing and passing it that way.

And I agree about the episode, it was fun to watch. I wasn't so sure what to expect based on the promo, but it was a nice episode.

Oh, well that explains that. I also should add here that I was ready to hate the show from the start -- but it is well done -- comedic elements not too strained, acting much better than it has to be probably, stories not getting old or boring so far. It actually is the show I look forward to the most because of that sound!

Oh, well that explains that. I also should add here that I was ready to hate the show also -- but it is well done -- comedic elements not too strained, acting much better than it has to be probably, stories not getting old or boring so far. It actually is the show I look forward to the most because of that sound!


I loved their exaggerated storytelling that emphasized their weaknesses. Sam became a whiny, sensitive, don't-ask-don't-tell feeb, and Dean became a total uncouth slob (the candy chewing scene cracked me up).

Very much a filler episode, but enjoyable.

Best 5.1 mix on TV for my money. What is odd is that our local presents Smallville in 2 channel, but when SUPERNATURAL's Dolby kicks in -- watch out!

Wish my CW affiliate could do 5.1.
They do 5.0 most of the time (no subwoofer channel), but often can't even manage that and we get 2.0 (well, maybe 3.0 as there is sound from the center channel)

Smallville is produced in DD2.0, so you're local affiliate is doing the right thing and passing it that way.
Now I'm wondering if the 5.0 is even real, since Smallville shows up as 5.0 as well.


Jerry

Wish my CW affiliate could do 5.1.
They do 5.0 most of the time (no subwoofer channel), but often can't even manage that and we get 2.0 (well, maybe 3.0 as there is sound from the center channel)


Jerry

I only get 2.0 from the Philadelphia affiliate - when it was UPN I used to get 5.1. :mad:

I only get 2.0 from the Philadelphia affiliate - when it was UPN I used to get 5.1. :mad:

That's odd, because none of UPN's shows were produced in DD5.1.

huberjgl:
They must have some settings wrong if you're getting 5.0. Normally, you either get 5.1 or 2.0.

A question in relation to sound, I want to get the DVD for AU$32.83 but it lists the sound as DD2.0 only. Was the first season not given a 5.1 track?

That's odd, because none of UPN's shows were produced in DD5.1.


Sorry - meant to say when it was on the WB. :confused:

Sorry - meant to say when it was on the WB. :confused:

That makes sense.

For those of you interested in this show, DC (under their Wildstorm imprint) will be publishing a Supernatural comic book series. Here's a link to the solicitation:

SUPERNATURAL: ORIGINS #1 (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/?cm=7359)

From the link:The hit CW television show arrives in comics form with an incredible new look into the mythos of the series with Supernatural: Origins! After witnessing the murder of his wife at the hands of a demon, patriarch John Winchester begins a journey into the dark world of the supernatural, seeking a way to hunt down and kill the creature that took his wife. But what of his two young sons, Dean and Sam? How can a newly widowed father balance fighting evil with raising his children? Is fatherhood a distant second to his obsessive hunt?It could be interesting to see how John and his sons became what they are. I don't know how much involvement the show's creators have. Sometimes these things are very tightly supervised, while other times they're given lots of freedom.

Scott