Hey, Bones is back.:D The lawyer had me going for a few minutes, so familiar, then finally figured it out it was Tom(Mr. Friendly) on LOST.

Hey, Bones is back.:D The lawyer had me going for a few minutes, so familiar, then finally figured it out it was Tom(Mr. Friendly) on LOST.thanks! I knew he was REALLY familiar but just couldn't place it. Hey, I was tired! :)

the trial was my favorite episode of Bones in a long time. It was a nice change of pace from the usual find skeleton, take apart skeleton, find killer thing. Of course that's now offset by the next episode being a shameless American Idol stunt. I hate that show as it is, now it's bleeding into things I like as well. :mad:

I was very impressed with Boreanaz's performance last night as well. I also noticed that Sweets has been added to the opening titles. When did that happen?

The episode was a delight. The leads were in fine form, and I especially enjoyed the performance of the judge who, while humorous, managed to maintain discipline with a deft touch.

the trial was my favorite episode of Bones in a long time. It was a nice change of pace from the usual find skeleton, take apart skeleton, find killer thing. Of course that's now offset by the next episode being a shameless American Idol stunt. I hate that show as it is, now it's bleeding into things I like as well. :mad:

I was very impressed with Boreanaz's performance last night as well. I also noticed that Sweets has been added to the opening titles. When did that happen?

I think he was added to the credits about three weeks ago, when it came back from hiatus.

I think he was added to the credits about three weeks ago, when it came back from hiatus.

Too fast on the DVR remote methinks. I must have blinked at the wrong times before.

For some reason my DVR didn't record Bones last night...it's supposed to pickup anything flagged new...WTF? :mad:

Mine didn't record it either - I caught it at 8:30 and manually started recording the second half.

Ok so do you think Bones killed that guy?

I think this is one of the best shows on tv. Bones being so dry and having very little humor is actually quite entertaining.

No, Bones didn't kill the guy, she just came up with that possibility to establish reasonable doubt to save daddy.

The suspicion that Bones did it sent chills to my spine... as emotionless as she appears she could have done it, but I guess it was confirmed that daddy did it... or not?

Angela being a true friend, Zack making mistakes, Booth stuttering (which I've never seen before), this episode was one of the best I could remember..

I love Bones, too. David Boreanaz and Emily Deschanel are hugely charismatic and bring out the best in each other in their many scenes together. It’s a lighthearted, fun show, with a soupcon of excitement now and then. I like the gorgeous Michaela Conlin, who plays Angela, a lot, too. She is almost as beautiful as Deschanel, although the weird charm of Deschanel’s Temperance “Bones” Brennan is a particular treat.

I just love Emily, her eyes just kill me, if I ever meet her in person I think I faint just looking at them..
oh well a man can dream..

I think she came once to El Paso, Tx to the premier of the movie Glory Road, if she did I couldn't meet her, cause I was on a trip, I just so wanted to cancel it, but also risking she wouldn't come to the city...

Has David done some movies? I don't remember him in any..

Edit: Coincidence?, he will play the Husband of a Famous basketball coach, Just as Emily played the wife of a famous BB coach, what are the odds? Both teams won the championship, men and women.

Our Lady of Victory scheduled to this year....

I hugely enjoyed last night’s episode. I thought that the Open Mike Night scenes in the nightclub and the minor league American Idol vibe that permeated them were a hoot. I had no idea that Emily Deschanel could sing, but she certainly can.

Although Bones’ shooting of “Fat Pam” was clearly justified, it gives some credence to the notion that she, not her father, killed the evil FBI guy.

Boooothh! nooooooooooooo!, hopefully he will be alright, because he was shot in the right part of the chest, away from the heart, he will surely have blood loss and a collapsed lung, and they will not DARE kill one of the main characters right now..

Yes, Emily can sing, she's no soprano but has a decent voice, Zack, naaa I don't know about him LOL.

So Gormagon is up again... my bet is on that prossecutor lady, or maybe Sweets? mmmm

Although Bones’ shooting of “Fat Pam” was clearly justified, it gives some credence to the notion that she, not her father, killed the evil FBI guy.How so? Because she is a good shot?

How so? Because she is a good shot?

She also carries a gun way bigger than Booth's.

The shot thru the neck was so dramatic, instant death, not much blood, like she meant to hit her there..

That was definitely a great episode last night, one of the best of the year in my book. Looks like Sweets is going to become more and more involved, of course when they put him in the credits, I guess that had to be expected. He's growing on me a little, just like Cam did, even though I thought the first director was the best.

She also carries a gun way bigger than Booth's.

The shot thru the neck was so dramatic, instant death, not much blood, like she meant to hit her there..
I agree. Beyond that, it seems to me that a certain inner steel is required to be able to shoot anyone. I’m not sure I would have it but Bones sure as hell proved that she does.

She also carries a gun way bigger than Booth's.

The shot thru the neck was so dramatic, instant death, not much blood, like she meant to hit her there..

Where did the gun come from? Was Booth wearing it at the time? Wouldn't seem like he would be carrying given the situation.

I have to say, the CSI's have nothing on Bones when it come to the gross factor, this show has, by far, the most realistic, grossest dead body scenes I've ever.

It was a great episode! I had read some of the previews of the show and they were playing it off that Bones would sing, but not very well despite Emily's natural talent. Glad to see they were just joking about that. Zack was kind of a surprise for sure.

The ending was pretty dramatic and one heck of a shot! I don't know that her shooting Pam would show she would have killed the guy in her apartment. Pam was about to shoot her so to me it was self-defense. Now I want to find out who Gormagon is. I hope it isnt Sweets. He has a funny dynamic with Bones and Booth.

Where did the gun come from? Was Booth wearing it at the time? Wouldn't seem like he would be carrying given the situation.

I have to say, the CSI's have nothing on Bones when it come to the gross factor, this show has, by far, the most realistic, grossest dead body scenes I've ever.

It was Booth's gun I believe. I think he is always carrying.

Yeah, the eyeball dropping was nice. :eek:

She also carries a gun way bigger than Booth's.I thought she shot Booth's gun. I'll have to undelete it to rewatch, but IIRC:
Pam yelled Booth's name
Booth saw she had a gun and started to draw his weapon
Pam shot him
Booth fell
Pam and Brennan were shocked
Brennan saw Pam readying to fire again
Brennan picked up Booth's gun and killed Pam.

She used Booth's gun, a Glock .40, hers is a .357 Magnum revolver.

Walt

Booth WILL NOT die. Cause if he does, FOX will lose at least one viewer that I know of and probably lots more. His comic timing is too good to waste.

Wolfie

Booth WILL NOT die. Cause if he does, FOX will lose at least one viewer that I know of and probably lots more. His comic timing is too good to waste.

Wolfie

I agree. His timing with Tempe's deadpan is quite the combination.

No way Booth dies, it would have been more dramatic cliff-hanger style if one of the other main characters had been shot. As it was, it seemed very jumped the shark'ish to me to try and get the audience to consider Booth dying.

I liked the other psychologist much better than Sweets. I was sorry they chose to replace him with another nerdy character in a show that already has its quota. At least none of the lab techs are Goth in this one.

BTW, what the hell does "jump the shark" mean. I hear that phrase about every day now tied to something. It's now the "in" phrase, and I have been left behind - as usual. Does it mean someone getting into a situation he/she cannot easily get out of, or what?

I liked the other psychologist much better than Sweets. I was sorry they chose to replace him with another nerdy character in a show that already has its quota. At least none of the lab techs are Goth in this one.

BTW, what the hell does "jump the shark" mean. I hear that phrase about every day now tied to something. It's now the "in" phrase, and I have been left behind - as usual. Does it mean someone getting into a situation he/she cannot easily get out of, or what?

:D:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark

BTW, Stephen Fry, who played the previous psychologist, has been busy with his own UK series, the excellent "Kingdom", so his leaving may have been his choice.

:D:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark



Thanks for the tip. Perhaps Wikipedia is worth something afterall.

Ok, so I had a really random thought about where Bones shot Pam. Is it possible that Bones is so anthropologically adept that she knew to shoot her in the throat with the intention of it going through the base of her spine so that she couldn't pull the trigger again?

I remember watching something on some other TV show talking about a sniper shot in the base of the neck will prevent the body from being able to move or jerk thus preventing another shot being fired?

I wonder if the Bones producers and such are THAT detailed.

No way Booth dies, it would have been more dramatic cliff-hanger style if one of the other main characters had been shot. As it was, it seemed very jumped the shark'ish to me to try and get the audience to consider Booth dying.

Folks, the phrase "jumped the shark" is used WAAAAYYY to frequently these days and this is a perfect example of when it absolutely does not apply. Getting shot is an example of creating what may be unnecessary drama, but it isn't a signal that the show lost it's creative direction, ran out of ideas or lost it's ability to write compelling episodes (which is what jumping the shark is).

Within the context of the show and the episode in particular Booth getting shot is not abnormal and if anything, the episodes this season have been getting better, not worse.

Folks, the phrase "jumped the shark" is used WAAAAYYY to frequently these days and this is a perfect example of when it absolutely does not apply. Getting shot is an example of creating what may be unnecessary drama, but it isn't a signal that the show lost it's creative direction, ran out of ideas or lost it's ability to write compelling episodes (which is what jumping the shark is).

Within the context of the show and the episode in particular Booth getting shot is not abnormal and if anything, the episodes this season have been getting better, not worse.
Oh, I agree the show is still very good, maybe even getting better, but to have Booth shot and then fade to black was just a bit ridiculous since anyone who watches the show knows he's not going die. We all know he'll be back in action the next episode, give us some real drama, shoot somebody whose death would not kill off the show, give us something to really wonder about.

My wife and I finally watched the episode last night, what an episode. Zach singing, very impressive, not what I expected at all. I was wondering if bones was going to sing good or not, and she did great. When booth got shot and faded out my wife was saying WTF???? This can't happen. We can't wait for the season finale and of course next season. Who is Gormagon???

I have high faith that Booth will not die.

Gormagon, who is he? (she?)

There are many theories around but I suspect someone that works on the Jeffersonian, I'm something between Sweets and the Prosecutor lady... it could even be Cam..

Gormagon, who is he? (she?)

There are many theories around but I suspect someone that works on the Jeffersonian, I'm something between Sweets and the Prosecutor lady... it could even be Cam..

I don't think Cam has that diabolical streak that you would need to be a Gormagon type killer. It may be Sweets but that would suck since I like his character. The most logical to me would be Zach but the information I've read points to that not being the case.

this episode falls under the banner of "self-indulgent."

Yet another case of actors wanting to show off their singing ability for no good reason. "Hey everyone, look at what I was also trained to do at acting school and I also performed on Broadway."

The Zack thing was pretty a horrific ego inclusion. It's a drama, that 3 minutes of air time you just wasted showing off Zack, could have been used for some plot progression.

I'm surprised Boreanaz didn't sing. I was kind of hoping he would and show off the terrible singing he used to do on Angel at karaoke night. And was proud of it. At least that was done for fun.

One of the reasons that I like Eli Stone is that most of the cast really can't sing that well when forced to and at least those scenarios are integral to the plot. Not just jammed in one week.

Didn't Booth say that he was on a band ealier in his life? maybe he wasn't the singer LOL.. I was also expecting him to sing, along with Sweets and the rest of the crew... and all of the sudden everyone in the cast can sing? wow..

I'm glad the show is picking up steam after some of the (IMHO) mis-steps with stuff like Hodges and Angelas romance, etc.

FWIW, Bones USED to carry a S&W 500, that massive revolver she fired once then admitted to Booth that is was "too much gun". He used it to shoot a guy through a steel door, IIRC. Booth packed a revolver in the early episodes (believe he used it to shoot a guy from a balcony or second story terrace early on) but he quickly switched to a Glock.

I'm glad they gave Booth the classic Hollywood "flesh wound" of a upper right chest/shoulder shot but had him go almost immediately into shock. I think a lot of folks underestimate how debilitating getting shot can be.

I thought they partially solved the Gormagon thing. It was a teenaged boy who later escaped, right? Booth encountered and fought with the guy, IIRC, so I doubt it will turn out to be anyone in the "inner circle". I liked that arc because the killer was a good foil for Bones, but all the Mason stuff and imagery was a bit overdone.

this episode falls under the banner of "self-indulgent."

Yet another case of actors wanting to show off their singing ability for no good reason. "Hey everyone, look at what I was also trained to do at acting school and I also performed on Broadway."

The Zack thing was pretty a horrific ego inclusion. It's a drama, that 3 minutes of air time you just wasted showing off Zack, could have been used for some plot progression.

I'm surprised Boreanaz didn't sing. I was kind of hoping he would and show off the terrible singing he used to do on Angel at karaoke night. And was proud of it. At least that was done for fun.

One of the reasons that I like Eli Stone is that most of the cast really can't sing that well when forced to and at least those scenarios are integral to the plot. Not just jammed in one week.
That’s a point of view that I have seen others state, too. I don’t know what it is about singing in comedy drama shows that draws such visceral negative reactions from some viewers but it certainly happens. As to bad singing in such shows, I’d rather there be no singing at all than have to listen to croaking from actors with no musical ability. But then, that’s the fascination of TV, there are differences of opinion about what works and what doesn’t.

this episode falls under the banner of "self-indulgent."

Yet another case of actors wanting to show off their singing ability for no good reason. "Hey everyone, look at what I was also trained to do at acting school and I also performed on Broadway."

The Zack thing was pretty a horrific ego inclusion. It's a drama, that 3 minutes of air time you just wasted showing off Zack, could have been used for some plot progression.

I think this might have been a producer's gift for Eric Millegan, the actor who plays Zack. Wait until Monday's season finale and we'll see...

That’s a point of view that I have seen others state, too. I don’t know what it is about singing in comedy drama shows that draws such visceral negative reactions from some viewers but it certainly happens. As to bad singing in such shows, I’d rather there be no singing at all than have to listen to croaking from actors with no musical ability. But then, that’s the fascination of TV, there are differences of opinion about what works and what doesn’t.

how many people do you work with (or just know) have stage school singing ability? If they are going to sing in a comedy drama then sing as regular person or give the singing role to an actor who can't sing. That would add more to the comedy element and more to the realism of the drama element. Otherwise it's just a weak excuse to find an awkward segue to stick 3 minutes of someone's ego on camera. "Look at me! Look at me! I'm multi-talented." It's like product placement for actors.

The best recent example of someone singing in show I can remember was on an episode of Gilmore Girls when Lauren Graham had to sing at karoake. It worked as part of the scene because it was a natural inclusion and because Graham sang it as her character, not an actress.

You'll find it doesn't happen as much when the actor also has a recognizable musical career. You didn't see Heavy D rapping his way through the first season of Bones or the producers coming up with a convoluted hip hop night at the restaurant so he could find an excuse for it.

I didn't tune in to watch a musical. This is suppose to be a "comedy-drama" as you said. Stop wasting airtime on other genres.

That’s a point of view that I have seen others state, too. I don’t know what it is about singing in comedy drama shows that draws such visceral negative reactions from some viewers but it certainly happens.

how many people do you work with (or just know) have stage school singing ability? If they are going to sing in a comedy drama then sing as regular person or give the singing role to an actor who can't sing. That would add more to the comedy element and more to the realism of the drama element. Otherwise it's just a weak excuse to find an awkward segue to stick 3 minutes of someone's ego on camera. "Look at me! Look at me! I'm multi-talented." It's like product placement for actors.

But, the incongruity of Zack, the Geek, having a very good singing voice. Angela being able to sing would be the lame plot--certainly with who her father is--that would be "business as usual". It's the "out of the blue" idea tha t Zack can really sing, that makes the show so cool, they use the real talents of the actors to further flesh out their characters. Notice the reaction of Cam and Angela: 'where the hell did that come from?'.
People always are amazed to know I play Clarinet, and sing, but, am a Scientist/Engineer by profession. Many of us have other talents that don't exactly correspond to our occupation. Is there something wrong with being a 'renaissance man (or woman)'?

The best recent example of someone singing in show I can remember was on an episode of Gilmore Girls when Lauren Graham had to sing at karoake. It worked as part of the scene because it was a natural inclusion and because Graham sang it as her character, not an actress.

I though that scene was the lame part. Of course She would get tipsy, and her singing would be misinterpreted as an ode to Luke. That could be interpreted as the show 'jumping the shark'.

As for Emily singing, I've been listening to her sister's album (http://www.sheandhim.com/sheandhim.php) and can definitely hear a resemblance.

It was Sweets' interpretation of peoples singing styles that was especially funny in the episode.

Is there something wrong with being a 'renaissance man (or woman)'?

Yes ... you are supposed to be a specialist ... anything else just confuses the rest of us. :D

So, no comments?

I did not care for the opening, and was unhappy with the ending, seemed a cop out. Did I miss it -how was what was done in the missing 18 minutes accomplished? (not going to be a spoiler ---yet.)

So, no comments?

I did not care for the opening, and was unhappy with the ending, seemed a cop out. Did I miss it -how was what was done in the missing 18 minutes accomplished? (not going to be a spoiler ---yet.)
I guess Zach wont be back next season?

Yeah I don't know how the skeleton was stolen either. My guess is the master came and got it during the explosion?

I knew Bones was going to punch Booth when she saw him. She got him good.

WTF!? Bones, one of my favorite shows on TV.... But THIS? Worst.episode.ever! If this isn't a shark being jumped, I don't know what is. At the end of this episode both my wife and I were speechless.

I guess Zach wont be back next season?

Yeah I don't know how the skeleton was stolen either. My guess is the master came and got it during the explosion?

I think there was more than one apprentice. To my feeble eyes/memory, the dude that killed the judge/whatever looked more like the first "grad student" than Zach ... but either way works ... I guess.

I enjoyed the episode, although it won’t bear much analysis. For example, how could Bones, a trained physician, have been so convinced that Booth’s condition was so dire, she accepted without question the representation that Booth was dead? Then, Booth’s injuries turned out to be to trivial that he was back in action two weeks later. Huh?

I continue to enjoy the interaction between Bones and Booth, and Sweets is growing on me. That alone is enough to allow me to accept and live with the show’s sometimes towering preposterousness.

Pathetic show! Absolutely no exposition as to why and how Zack was convinced that "The Master" had all the answers after being snatched off the street three months earlier, or, as was stated, how the skeleton was stolen. There was no meaningful dénouement, which was much needed if there was any explanation for this mess.

First the audience has been shackled with a off-putting Sweets even to the ridiculous extent that he is shown being interviewed about the Gormegon case as some kind of acceptance into the fabric of the team, and now Zack is killed off. This show is on a step slide. I can understand that there was one geck too many, but they made the wrong choice in killing off Zack instead of Sweets.

I was seriously dissapointed that Bones didn't show much sadness or anything other than anger for Booth's supposed death, not a single tear, maybe meaning she's not interested the least on him, just sees him as a coworker and nothing else.. I guess I will get off the B&B ship now..

Zack was the apprentice and Gormogon was a nobody (looked so creepy with the canine dentures)

I also couldn't believe that Zack was brainwashed that easily, well the deserves the boot for that and maybe we get a new cast member (either the blonde guy or the nice lady).

1 - Booth is in a coma from being shot and the entire episode was his dream.

The whole episode seemed like the show runners were told at the last moment "this is going to be your last episode so you have to hastily wrap things up".

The actor who plays Zach speaks....http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TV-Show-Blog/Tv-Previews/Bones-Eric-Millegan/800039999

The more I think about it the angrier I get. I've enjoyed this show for years but this sucked. While Zach was odd, and socially inept, he in no way was ever a killer. When he was sent off to Iraq he was broken up over that fact. Perhaps they cold have tied that plot thread into why he did this, but to have him just out of the blue become a killer? I don't buy it.

The whole Booth is dead plot was stupid too, they way the handled the exposition laying it on Sweets as an experiment was damaging to his character. He was developing into an interesting character now we see a nasty side to him. After doing that I could easily buy him as the apprentice.

Lots of damage done in this episode, I hope they can redeem themselves next year.

Wow, lot of anger on the TV Guide site. Well deserved anger.

I have to agree: what a horrible, horrible episode. And to think when the creators were answering questions about Zach being Gormogon, I'm sure they got a big kick out of saying 'no' because Zach was only the 'apprentice' and Gormogon was some 'nobody'. I'm sure nobody else feels as satisfied as they do with themselves.

I also felt that they really needed to do some digging on what went on Zach in Iraq. That would've made for a much more plausible explanation for Zach's actions than listening to the occasional ramblings of a conspiracy nut. :rolleyes:

Apart from Bones/Booth, Zach was the only memorable character in the series. Sure, everyone else had little things about them that were interesting, but Zach's odd little mannerisms were so fun that many times he was more enjoyable to watch on screen than the leads.

Awful, just awful.

She has a Ph.D. in anthropology. Hardly a trained physician.

count me in on being disappointed. the episode was disjointed at best. so far the 2 Fox season finales have been crazy!

She has a Ph.D. in anthropology. Hardly a trained physician.
It seems that you are right, silly me. Still, accepting that Booth, who appeared to be at at death's door for a critical gunshot wound to the chest, could somehow be in perfect health two weeks later seems to be a bridge too far. But I understand. It's hard resist saying, "Gotcha!" in forums such as this one. :)

The season finale also seemed odd and disjointed to me (and the wife ... the dog didn't really have much of an opinion, but he still likes the name of the show). Other than the bathtub scene - which I thought was some excellent acting between the two, if a bit silly - nothing seemed to make much sense or seemed to flow. There didn't seem to be any reason for Zack to be the Gormogon apprentice, and there was no build-up for the G guy (as opposed to previous season storylines with a smart and calculating evil guy).

And the beginning Booth funeral scene didn't make any sense, for a lot of reasons - there would be better ways to "flush out" an old enemy (or an old enemy with any kind of sense would not come to the funeral), and making Sweets seem more devious and coldly experimental didn't compute with me - not sure where the writers are trying to go with that character.

So color me confused and disappointed - usually the show is fun and enjoyable, and occasionally inspired, but at least consistent. Not so this time.

Cliff

The Bones creator explains why they did what they did. They did it for shock value.

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Tv-Mattrs/Exclusive-Bones-News/800040137

Not that it makes any more sense.

holy crap. :rolleyes:

I was almost ready to pronounce this the best Bones season so far. The bathtub scene was a gem but the rest of the episode felt like Scary Movie XXXIV. The dead Booth had dream sequence or fake death all over it so I'm glad they didn't stretch that out. The rest of it was just annoying.

Sweets being stuck in frame all the time looking fairly sinister for the first 30 minutes was either so blatant that if he was Gormogon it was dragged out too long and if he wasn't then it was just a cheap misdirection.

The ending I didn't buy for a second. Totally stupid and illogical. Both the fact that everyone was getting teary eyed over crazy serial killer fanboy murdering Zach and the fact he turned out that way. If he was lying on the floor with exploded hands, who removed the skeleton?

It makes Eric Millegan's little showboating sequence last week even more shameless. I guess he got bored of Bones and is heading off to Broadway soon and wanted a little showcase. [edit: no I take that back. It looks like he enjoyed being on the show so the producers are at fault. I'm still no letting him off the hook if it was his idea to sing last week though]

The end sequence was a pitiful wrapup to the season long arc. Not even keeping Gormogon around for a recurring cameo in the future

I never rated Bones that highly when it first started but since they dumped the Sci-Fi hologram device and concentrated on the character banter it's become a highly entertaining show. Until now. It's a good thing this won't be back for a while. I might be less annoyed when it comes back.

Yeah the only thing I hated about Gormogon storyline is that he was a "nobody", he coulda been a high-end politician, some company CEO or someone known, but no, they had to go that way, we didn't even heard him speak or even yell LOL!

Still they show us a "made of ice" Brennan on the Booth situation they she melts when Zack is hurt....

Yeah the only thing I hated about Gormogon storyline is that he was a "nobody", he coulda been a high-end politician, some company CEO or someone known, but no, they had to go that way, we didn't even heard him speak or even yell LOL!Actually, I liked that part.

Yeah the only thing I hated about Gormogon storyline is that he was a "nobody", he coulda been a high-end politician, some company CEO or someone known, but no, they had to go that way, we didn't even heard him speak or even yell LOL!


I don't mind that he was nobody, but they could have at least given him some Lecter moments. For an amazingly smart criminal who had the verbal skills to bring over super nice Zach to the cannibal serial killing way of life, they could have at least shown that aspect.

A total waste.

Count me in on being let down. This show has had some serious rough spots and was just starting to find a nice stride, then they gotta pull this stunt. Makes everyone seem retarded and honestly, I'm not sure any of those guys would still have a job if something like that happened.

Now I know why they moved it to Fridays for the end of next season, to let it die with a whimper. Too bad as I like Borneaz and after recently seeing some of the early eps in syndication, Emily has made some major strides.

I guess I'm in the minority but I thought it was a fine resolution to the story. Zack had always been someone driven totally by logic and science with little/no connection to morals or "the norm." That, and he was the youngest person on the staff, the most socially retarded and socially immature makes him ripe for the plucking.

What people seem to forget is that this storyline was cut short but the strike. Sure, the producers would have liked to have more episodes or maybe even a 2 hour finale to flesh things out (pun intended!) a bit and make a more cohesive storyline but they work within the framework that the network gives them.

Let's be honest here people, this show has always been on the razors edge regarding cancellation, this development has really stirred the pot and gotten quite a few people talking about the show that wouldn't have otherwise. In that context you'd have to say it's been a rousing success for the producers.

I feel completely confident that they will bring the char back on a semi regular basis as well.

I feel completely confident that they will bring the char back on a semi regular basis as well.

yeah because I really want to see the new Zack return. So driven by logic that when someone proposes the idea of building a totemic skeleton (that nobody else will see) from silver and then slowly replacing the bones with murder victim, Zack thinks, "yeah, that makes sense. I can get on board with that idea."

Oh and not forgetting the eating people thing. :rolleyes:

As someone who worked in a analytical field ruled by fact it's just another aspect that is ridiculous. The spiritual or ritualistic aspects of the murders would be totally lost on him because they are not logical.

Imagine if Zack had also went "Lecter" on us? like they would caught him trying to much on Cam's leg or arm at the hospital.. LOL..

Imagine if Zack had also went "Lecter" on us? like they would caught him trying to much on Cam's leg or arm at the hospital.. LOL..

As long as they didn't all forgive him at the end, that's just as plausible. I liked how in this episode they basically said

"Did he eat anyone?"

"No he just murdered one person in cold blood and assisted in the murder and eating of other people."

"Oh, phew. That's okay then. Poor Zach."

I guess I'm in the minority but I thought it was a fine resolution to the story...
What people seem to forget is that this storyline was cut short but the strike. Sure, the producers would have liked to have more episodes or maybe even a 2 hour finale to flesh things out (pun intended!) a bit and make a more cohesive storyline but they work within the framework that the network gives them...

Nonsense - this was three or four shows after the strike was settled, which break should have given both the writers, directors and producers more time to think about and fashion a good season-ender script, not less.

I feel completely confident that they will bring the char back on a semi regular basis as well.

Sadly, considering the boneheaded choices the show has taken lately, that scenario of continuing Zack appearances is likely, but disgusting.

Or get this, Zack escapes from the mental hospital and his quest is to become "the master" himself and the crew trying to catch him.. if we follow the star wars theme (obvious on the show) when the Master dies the apprentice becomes the Master and he gets an apprentice

(attention show writer's, PM for info about where to send me the checks LOL)

My question to you folks whining about the resolution to the Gormagon storyline is this: who WOULD have made sense for it to be? For dramatic effect either the master or the apprentice had to be someone we know or someone we know had to be killed by them. With that assumption then maybe if they killed off Zach it would have been better? I can't think of anyone of the regs where, when they were revealed as the apprentice, people would have said "wow, great twist!" or that it made total sense or was what they wanted.

People grow attached to characters, thats the goal of any show so in a real sense the producers have succeeded in making a show people care about, the loss of a few viewers (and let's be honest, 90% of the people threatening to never watch again probably will be there next September for the premiere) was prob totally worth it for the buzz that's been generated.

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Sadly, considering the boneheaded choices the show has taken lately, that scenario of continuing Zack appearances is likely, but disgusting.

On reflection from DrLar's suggestion, I agree that turning Zack (Dr. Hook) into an malevolent force is the way to go, and perhaps along the way throw in some exposition as to the dead Master. It's all so clear now. Thanks DrLar.:cool:

The wife and I have supported Bones from the beginning. She REALLY loves the show, I think it's an ok way to pass an hour. I've got to tell you... I'm not sure we'll turn it on the fall. That was truly a disapointing cop-out.

My question to you folks whining about the resolution to the Gormagon storyline is this: who WOULD have made sense for it to be? For dramatic effect either the master or the apprentice had to be someone we know or someone we know had to be killed by them. With that assumption then maybe if they killed off Zach it would have been better?

They had planned to kill Zach. For no reason other than they wanted to shake things up for next season. The same way they dumped the original head of the Jeffersonian. And yes that would have been better.

Who would it have made sense to be? Er, anyone not a regular? Hell, they could have even made it Sweets, he's only been it for one season. It would have been more logical than turning a scientist with a one track logical mind into someone who can reason out murder and cannibalism .. and building crazy serial killer trophies while dressed in robes in basement.

This isn't some extremely complex story they cooked up here. They could have resolved it in a hundred ways that didn't involve screwing up the regular cast. Nobody would care if it was a new character. They did it just for effect and they did it in a lazy way.

They could have picked any unknown character who worked at the Jeffersonian. That would also have explained how they managed to get a cumbersome silver skeleton down several corridors, past a hundred people who work there and out of the door in the time the monitors where off. Even though the main culprit was lying on the floor after an explosion.

That would also go someway to explaining how Zach found the time to hide all those bones in Limbo when he's part of the team working on high profile urgent cases in the middle of an open floor lab.

My question to those defending this atrocious piece of writing is explaining all the massive plot holes and retarded logic this episode contained.

I also felt that they really needed to do some digging on what went on Zach in Iraq. That would've made for a much more plausible explanation for Zach's actions than listening to the occasional ramblings of a conspiracy nut. :rolleyes:
Maybe that could be the basis for a successful defense. Some kind of post traumatic stress that led him to the killing.

My question to you folks whining about the resolution to the Gormagon storyline is this: who WOULD have made sense for it to be?
Bones. Then they could have turned the show into a weird form of female DEXTER.

I wouldn't have a problem with Zack as the "apprentice" IF they built it up properly. But there was NO WARNING or suggestion that there was an "inside man" until the last episode and the Zack revelation comes in the last 10 minutes and the Master is bagged without so much as a final villianous speech! Way too rushed and insulting to the audience who have come to know and love the characters. I would have preferred it if Zack had been converted while in Iraq, but how could he have been brainwashed (not sure if there is any better term, maybe "rationalized"?) when always in close proximity with the rest of the gang? Particularly when working on his own crimes and hearing their opinions.

The entire Gormagon plotline was kinda weak as his motivations were always kinda sketchy and suspect, IMHO. Nothing about him (since we know so little) explains the cunning and deviousness we saw initially, or how such a genius could not anticipate and plan for Zack's betrayal. If Zack sent Booth into a trap and escaped the hospital to become a recurring bad guy of sorts, I could have swallowed that. But what we got was just too pat and simplistic.

Needless to say, if the producers (all 15 of them!) intention was to generate duscussion, they succeeded. If it was to generate INTEREST to promote increased viewership, then I think they failed, miserably.

I agree with those saying it would have been nice if more hints and groundwork could have been layed. I wouldn't have been opposed to them killing him off completely.

But I watch TV to be entertained, not to analyze specific plot points to make sure they all fit together nicely, or to redact what the show has already done and say what they should have done. I watch to be entertained, and I have been and likely will continue to be entertained by this show. The acting is very good, the writing is good, the cast chemistry is top notch and the sotrylines are generally entertaining.

If you think that without an ancillary character that you can no longer enjoy the show (:confused:) or that their resolution to a strike shortened story arc wasn't good then, by all means, stop watching. I however, don't think either of those things will affect how well the show entertains.

I wouldn't have a problem with Zack as the "apprentice" IF they built it up properly.

something which I was reminded of on Monday night but then again forgot until just now is that in an earlier episode this season we get to see his apprentice.

Shortly after the revelation that Gormogon has taken a new apprentice there's a final scene of some guy opening a closet and the apprentice jumping out and knifing him. After 30 red herring minutes on Monday night spent trying to make Sweets look evil in every scene I was reminded that the time the guy jumping out of the closet looked like Sweets. Same hair, same build, same height. Even though it was dark you could see his face slightly.

Apparently that had to be Zach. You'd have to go back and find the scene but the guy with the knife didn't look anything like him.

I didn't like the whole Zack revelation. It felt very rushed and contrived. Like the writers just said, hey lets shock everyone and make Zack evil. Zack's answer was the logic of the master was perfect? Eh not buying it. Clearly the writers strike made them rush plots and condense story lines. I think they should have just waited until next season to finish off the gormogon story line rather than rush it this way.

Then I thought looking back at the beginning of the episode, they faked Booth's death to flush out some bad guy. Could the writers be throwing us a curve ball and faking Zack's murder to flush out the real gormogon or other apprentices? That to me would make some sense, rather than in one episode turning Zack into a murderer.

Apparently that had to be Zach. You'd have to go back and find the scene but the guy with the knife didn't look anything like him.Oh, I don't know. It looks like him (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=6302691#post6302691) to me...

Thinking about why the season finale seemed so abrupt and disjointed to me (and maybe this will resonate with others disappointed in the finale) ...

Early in the season Gormogon was set up as conspiracy and / or secret society, with overtones of underground political and social motivations. To keep the tension and plot moving requires at least some exposition of the motivations and goals of Gormogon, and I don't remember any of this in the last couple of months. So it seemed so "out of the blue" with hardly any background as to why Zack would become enthralled (in the literal sense of the word) by Gorm, and what the main Gorm guy was doing in his "chamber of horrors". It basically played out as "Hannibal Lecter" without any of the delicious (deliberate word play) acting and psychological interactions that made those movies so fun (and creepy).

Other long-running story threads either required less exposition, or focused on other aspects. The genius serial killer thread was done well, I thought, and while there's a few logic holes with Temp's dad story line, that thread focuses mostly on the family relation dynamics rather than the mystery / conspiracy elements.

Zack going over to the dark side just didn't seem in line with his character, while most of the Bones characters stay consistent (and the show has been fairly good about each character becoming better fleshed out and growing). Temp is not always consistent, but the acting and interplay with her and Booth always make it fun. (I've always wondered how a best selling mystery author is so clueless about social interactions - in fact, it would be the opposite - most fiction authors are very much in tune with people, society, and social interactions, or they wouldn't be able to write the books they do. I could see Temp being a "best selling" science book writer, or famous in some other way, while growing up as a very closeted academic.)

Cliff

I agree with those saying it would have been nice if more hints and groundwork could have been layed. I wouldn't have been opposed to them killing him off completely.

But I watch TV to be entertained, not to analyze specific plot points to make sure they all fit together nicely, or to redact what the show has already done and say what they should have done. I watch to be entertained, and I have been and likely will continue to be entertained by this show. The acting is very good, the writing is good, the cast chemistry is top notch and the sotrylines are generally entertaining.

If you think that without an ancillary character that you can no longer enjoy the show (:confused:) or that their resolution to a strike shortened story arc wasn't good then, by all means, stop watching. I however, don't think either of those things will affect how well the show entertains.

I'll be there, tuned in every week, it seems awfully melodramatic to enjoy most of the episodes of Bones and then to just bail because of one episode. I didn't really think the Howard Epps(serial killer) wrap up was that good either, but I enjoy this show immensely and have no intentions of not watching. And if I'm not mistaken the story linked earlier to an interview with Zack(Eric Millegan) kind of gave me the impression that we would see some more of Zack in upcoming episodes.

Thinking about why the season finale seemed so abrupt and disjointed to me (and maybe this will resonate with others disappointed in the finale) ...

Early in the season Gormogon was set up as conspiracy and / or secret society, with overtones of underground political and social motivations. To keep the tension and plot moving requires at least some exposition of the motivations and goals of Gormogon, and I don't remember any of this in the last couple of months. So it seemed so "out of the blue" with hardly any background as to why Zack would become enthralled (in the literal sense of the word) by Gorm, and what the main Gorm guy was doing in his "chamber of horrors". It basically played out as "Hannibal Lecter" without any of the delicious (deliberate word play) acting and psychological interactions that made those movies so fun (and creepy).

Other long-running story threads either required less exposition, or focused on other aspects. The genius serial killer thread was done well, I thought, and while there's a few logic holes with Temp's dad story line, that thread focuses mostly on the family relation dynamics rather than the mystery / conspiracy elements.

Zack going over to the dark side just didn't seem in line with his character, while most of the Bones characters stay consistent (and the show has been fairly good about each character becoming better fleshed out and growing). Temp is not always consistent, but the acting and interplay with her and Booth always make it fun. (I've always wondered how a best selling mystery author is so clueless about social interactions - in fact, it would be the opposite - most fiction authors are very much in tune with people, society, and social interactions, or they wouldn't be able to write the books they do. I could see Temp being a "best selling" science book writer, or famous in some other way, while growing up as a very closeted academic.)

Cliff

I think we will still future episodes with Gormagon. I think this was just one individual of many and that Zach was just one apprentice of many. As you said, it is a secret society. I agree with the whole out of character thing for Zach but I also could see it because of his lack of socialization and introversion. I think he could be obviously swayed if one presented something to him in a rational, logical manner, especially if something happened in Iraq.

When Zack escapes, he will be quite a baddy to catch again.

Is everybody getting tonight's episode in HD? My local Fox-HD is showing it in SD, which is something I've never seen them do before..

I don't know, I am not watching it right now, will have to check when we watch it.

They finally flipped the switch, only an hour and 15 minutes in. :(

Is the British cop Indira Varma (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0890055/) aka Suzie on Torchwood?

Is the British cop Indira Varma (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0890055/) aka Suzie on Torchwood?

Yes

The brit detective pushing and pushing Brennan to sleep with Booth, but she was willing to sleep with the other right.

Man, I'm a Hodgins fan and I'm saddened of how they broke up... darn ex-husband was the cause (with a little help from Cam).

A fun episode to kick off the season. I've actually become a huge fan of Tamara Taylor's (Cam) work on the show, she has great expression and a good sense of timing. The Angela/Hodgins break up seemed a little quick "hey, we're happily engaged 1 minute then 10 minutes later we're broken up! wtf?" but other than that I enjoyed the episode. I'll be anxious to see how they incorporate Zack back into the show since they've said he will be making appearances now and then.

Did they get new writers during the break? Last night's episode was the worst "Bones" I have ever seen. They made Booth into a rude, incompetent fool. Can't drive an English car on the left, and they gave this fool a gun. Flashing his FBI badge, in another country, being rude to everyone in sight. The only thing he did right, was to drink that great English beer without complaining it wasn't ice cold

Another thing, I'm glad to see that it did well in the ratings last night. Everyone and their mother hopped on the "I'm SOOOO done with this show!" bandwagon after the Zack storyline last season but as usual, they were largely full of crap.

I agree that the show was over the top -- as it is almost every week. I think that any expectation of either Bones or Booth ever acting like real human beings is misplaced. Bones is a comedy-drama with heavy emphasis on comedy, which is often pretty broad. What's not to like? :)

Did they get new writers during the break? Last night's episode was the worst "Bones" I have ever seen. They made Booth into a rude, incompetent fool. Can't drive an English car on the left, and they gave this fool a gun. Flashing his FBI badge, in another country, being rude to everyone in sight. The only thing he did right, was to drink that great English beer without complaining it wasn't ice cold

I agree, I thought it was terrible and way too long. By 45 minutes in I was already checking my watch. The second half crime was better than the first half but the whole show was just one giant London cliche that's been covered in hundreds of other movies and shows. The characters had stereotyped "English" names, the dialog was awful - "I would have given him a thrashing" - Londoners all live in big palaces and have butlers etc.

The British anthropology lab is in what looks like a castle dungeon? What, they couldn't find a spare slab at the Scotland Yard crime lab? Luckily it wasn't as if Bones was investigating the murder of a high profile Oxford professor that needed proper chain of evidence preserving or something ... :rolleyes:

Boothe driving a mini was just sad. Forget that the pocket size version went out of production 8 years ago and a rental company wouldn't provide it, but Boothe is an ex-Ranger and can't drive a tiny stick shift car or remember which side of the road to drive on in a foreign country?

And yeah, the Hodgins/Angela thing was badly done as well. 30 minutes after the universe aligns to prove they are meant to be together, they split up.

The only thing I actually liked about last night's episode was the joke in the promo at the end about Bones sleeping with a deep sea welder who could hold his breath for three minutes. That gave me a big laugh.

Is the British cop Indira Varma (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0890055/) aka Suzie on Torchwood?

The question you should be asking is if the British cop was the same actress who was in Kama Sutra. ;)

Bones will have to be consistently bad for a long time before my wife and I quit watching it - the season opener last night was a lot of fun, and we expect it to be that way for most episodes. Even though last season's finale had a lot of "huh? why?" moments, I think the series can withstand that.

I was trying to remember why "Pritch" (played by Indira Varma) looked so familiar, and when I looked it up on imdb it was "Oh, yeah - Niobe from Rome!". She's very talented, and oh, so easy on the eyes.

The Hodge and Angela breakup seemed forced and too quick, but I can understand the writers wanting some character and plot construction freedom.

The dog gave his usual "paws up" for the show, but since there's only two things he likes about the show (the title, and the large amount of gory, bony images), we don't usually pay him much attention.

Cliff

I'm not that hopeful. About the only thing still keeping me around is the Booth-Bones dynamic. The science has turned into near techno-babble with ridiculous leaps being made on scant to zero basis. They are pushing "circumstantial evidence" to an even worse degree than CSI, though after 4-5 seasons I suppose every procedural show heads that way.

I'm never been an Angela/Hodges fan and the opener shows the worst of it. About the only worthwhile thing was the "new guy" quitting over the pathetic non-professionalism. I realize Bones is a light-hearted show, but when you consider the awesome amount of forensic cases they could be showcasing, the inter-personal stuff is overplayed and distracting.

Still, the show looks good (the body effects are great) and there are enough good moments to keep me around. Though hearing that Fox is moving it to Friday clearly shows this is the final season, just enough to get it to syndication.

Still, the show looks good (the body effects are great) and there are enough good moments to keep me around. Though hearing that Fox is moving it to Friday clearly shows this is the final season, just enough to get it to syndication.

They have been moving this show to Fridays for several years now, it never seems to happen or it only happens during rerun season.

I think Wednesday is a good place to air it, no "Lost" to compete until January...

And the "full of crap" episode is coming soon (literally).. ewwww thank god there isn't still smell-a-vision..

I'm not that hopeful. About the only thing still keeping me around is the Booth-Bones dynamic. The science has turned into near techno-babble with ridiculous leaps being made on scant to zero basis.

but at least they dumped the holographic magic box.

If I saw that one more time I think my eyes would roll to the back of my head and not come back.

but at least they dumped the holographic magic box.

If I saw that one more time I think my eyes would roll to the back of my head and not come back.http://gl.ict.usc.edu/Research/3DDisplay/

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http://gl.ict.usc.edu/Research/3DDisplay/

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Interesting but still just as crude and limited as every other 3D video device.

If the Bones magic box looked like that and didn't have a instant 3D rendering and pretty dancing photons in a nice video lounge they might have been closer to living in our universe. Thankfully the writers seemed to have noticed that people didn't tune in for the 3D gimmick and actually watched for the characters.

You know, I for one really don't care about the "box". Use it or don't, that's not what I tune in for. It's no less realistic than a lot of the other goings on in the series.

Interesting but still just as crude and limited as every other 3D video device.

If the Bones magic box looked like that and didn't have a instant 3D rendering and pretty dancing photons in a nice video lounge they might have been closer to living in our universe. Thankfully the writers seemed to have noticed that people didn't tune in for the 3D gimmick and actually watched for the characters.If you are against the drapes and curtains in the lounge, or the relative attractiveness of TV [actors, sets, devices] verses real life -- sorry, I have no real opinion on that, it is what it is. The omission of the spinning mirror and platform, and the ability to see other actors through the display - I can live with as art and framing trade-offs respectively.

Technically, however, I do not remember seeing anything on the show that was not demonstrated in the video of the USC device: color, manipulation, animation, etc.

If you are speaking to the processing and rendering of the images and animations, that has nothing to do with the "holographic magic box". That same argument applies when presenting the same thing on a 60" plasma or a 7" vector monitor.

In any event, it is still a fun show that I would have never expected nor applied even the "CSI" standards for realism, much less a "Forensic Files" standard.

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Technically, however, I do not remember seeing anything on the show that was not demonstrated in the video of the USC device: color, manipulation, animation, etc.

If you are speaking to the processing and rendering of the images and animations, that has nothing to do with the "holographic magic box". That same argument applies when presenting the same thing on a 60" plasma or a 7" vector monitor.


Like many video holographic devices the USC device is still limited in it's visual quality and mechanism. And that's three years after Bones first aired. It's basically a projector fired at a spinning mirror. Not the magic Bones box where photons just appear dancing in the air creating fully rendered 3D images. The closest thing to that was the Helio Display, Musion Eyeliner or Fogscreen and neither of those could provide true 3D video images. Either one is still cool to look at and would have been a better choice as well since they actually exist for practical use.

Angela operates the entire thing from a tablet PC and creates animations on the fly. So that means that her laptop has the most powerful 3D rendering video on the planet then sends the hi-res video wirelessly or the magic box does most of the work and her tablet is just a remote access device. Either way there's still a high level of bull involved.

And it does it all in a nice quiet comfortable environment. Not in a huge lab full of electronics, bolted together steel and humming power supplies. If Angela can build something like that she would probably be either working for the military or is making the Jeffersonian "museum" the most advanced technology research base in the world. Who needs MIT and CalTech? Angela has them all beat. And she can draw too! :D

The fancy display never rose above the tool level for me (unlike Cam and her reason for taking the job at The Jeffersonian), and I took the processing time abstraction in stride.

But, I do think the display capability is not far from what USC displayed (artistically omitting the spinning mirror) and I believe the other examples you provided simply strengthen the point. The bulk of the "bull" is in the processing time - presumably omitted for drama and pacing. Just like food shows either edit for time or have multiple [implementations] so the cook can demonstrate later steps without waiting 20 minutes for the pasta to cook.

I expect the artist Angela had plenty of willing and able [male] technical help within that [think tank] to construct just about anything she could dream up. Although if the writers desired to revert Angela back closer to her exhibitionist personality in the pilot, I would not be adverse. :)

Which is where I concede that you do not like the way they abstracted current capabilities in the show, and bow out.

Glad the show is back on.

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So what's the deal with FOX clipping off the very end of their programs? It happened with House last night, and on something else the other day, and again with Bones tonight.

Anyone else lose the very end of the show tonight?

So what's the deal with FOX clipping off the very end of their programs? It happened with House last night, and on something else the other day, and again with Bones tonight.

Anyone else lose the very end of the show tonight?

I was watching live, and my Vista MCE automatically pads about 5 minutes, but I've definitely noticed it, it definitely did it on House and it did it tonight on Bones, It may have done it on Terminator, that would be the only thing else it could have done it on this week, but since I'm padding on these I probably wouldn't have noticed it either. I hate it and wish they would stop or start upgrading their listings so that the recording software will get it all.

So what's the deal with FOX clipping off the very end of their programs? It happened with House last night, and on something else the other day, and again with Bones tonight.

Anyone else lose the very end of the show tonight?
Yeah I saw this too and I wsn't tivo'ng the show right after it so I missed it.

If FOX continues to do this combined with stupid snipes I will stop watching their programs. My life will still go on without their shows.

It's been hard for me to wrap my head around everyone's role this season. I mean when did Cam become a forensic anthropologist? She use to be confused by Zack and now she seems to have his old job. And Sweets' job is to just walk around talking to people randomly? I think the show has sort of lost it's focus and now is spends too much time trying to be funny. It seems the case each week is taking a back burner to all of the other soap opera stuff going on. I really wish we could time warp back to season one.

Yeah I saw this too and I wsn't tivo'ng the show right after it so I missed it.

If FOX continues to do this combined with stupid snipes I will stop watching their programs. My life will still go on without their shows.

It's very annoying, I didn't record the following show either. I'm guessing it's the FOX promos for their other shows that somehow maybe got added after the fact, and messed up the timing which messed up the guide and so forth. Hopefully when those go away as the season goes on, like you, I'm not about to forego recording another program just to catch the last minute of a FOX program because they're too stupid to have the EPG info correct.

It's very annoying, I didn't record the following show either. I'm guessing it's the FOX promos for their other shows that somehow maybe got added after the fact, and messed up the timing which messed up the guide and so forth. Hopefully when those go away as the season goes on, like you, I'm not about to forego recording another program just to catch the last minute of a FOX program because they're too stupid to have the EPG info correct.

CSI used to do it all the time, it's not just a Fox thing, they're probably one of the last to be doing it, maybe American Idle every now and then. Sooner or later every popular show will do it without warning.

CSI used to do it all the time, it's not just a Fox thing, they're probably one of the last to be doing it, maybe American Idle every now and then. Sooner or later every popular show will do it without warning.

IIRC though, the guide would know this, the show would be listed as ending at 9:02 for example. ABC and NBC do it a lot as well, Grey's Anatomy comes to mind. The problem with FOX is that they are altering the program length without notifying Tribune(or whatever EPG provider is used), if they did, then the DVR will notify you of a conflict and you can adjust for it. With FOX, it justs cuts it off.

IIRC though, the guide would know this, the show would be listed as ending at 9:02 for example. ABC and NBC do it a lot as well, Grey's Anatomy comes to mind. The problem with FOX is that they are altering the program length without notifying Tribune(or whatever EPG provider is used), if they did, then the DVR will notify you of a conflict and you can adjust for it. With FOX, it justs cuts it off.

that's why I mentioned CSI, they did it constantly for months last season or the one before, I know because I was recording it and always had to pad it, I don't think it ever acknowledged that it was running late, I think eventually it started stopping on time, but it did it constantly. Heroes did it pretty consistently for a while also, eventually they updated the guide to account for it, but it wasn't always right either, they would list it as 2 minutes over and it might actually run 3. I'm just saying that every one of the networks at one time or the other will run over without warning for no apparent reason.

that's why I mentioned CSI, they did it constantly for months last season or the one before, I know because I was recording it and always had to pad it, I don't think it ever acknowledged that it was running late, I think eventually it started stopping on time, but it did it constantly. Heroes did it pretty consistently for a while also, eventually they updated the guide to account for it, but it wasn't always right either, they would list it as 2 minutes over and it might actually run 3. I'm just saying that every one of the networks at one time or the other will run over without warning for no apparent reason.

Yes, I do recall now that CSI was doing it, nevertheless, you're right, they all seem to do it. Hopefully it will stop, soon. :)

We watched Bones last night and as far as I can tell we saw everything but the previews.

We watched Bones last night and as far as I can tell we saw everything but the previews.

Do you know who you're EPG info provider is? That might help narrow down where the problem is.

DirecTV, in it's beta DVR software, is experimenting with having a minute or so of padding on each end of a recording if there is nothing else scheduled to record before or after it. It seems to be working pretty well for me.

DirecTV, in it's beta DVR software, is experimenting with having a minute or so of padding on each end of a recording if there is nothing else scheduled to record before or after it. It seems to be working pretty well for me.

I watched it on my Comcast TiVo S3, but also checked my D* box and it missed it as well - not running any beta software of course.

It's not actually the DVR that's the problem as my PC tuner(Comcast cable feed) also had it cut off.

Do you know who you're EPG info provider is? That might help narrow down where the problem is.

No, I do not, how do I find out? I have Directv if that helps to figure it out. I live just outside of Philadelphia in Bucks County.

Bones and Fringe seemed to be cut off here as well, which royally perturbs the wife.

Unfortunately, our guide (of unknown source) is still the older one that does not provide for the "new" flag in SARA, and we have the "Mountain Minute" issue on top of that. So no help other than commiseration here either.

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No, I do not, how do I find out? I have Directv if that helps to figure it out. I live just outside of Philadelphia in Bucks County.
Pretty sure it's Tribune Media for the guide info, and it's odd that your DirecTV box got it all while mine didn't. That makes me think it's a local issue, at least partially.

Pretty sure it's Tribune Media for the guide info, and it's odd that your DirecTV box got it all while mine didn't. That makes me think it's a local issue, at least partially.

I'd be more inclined to believe the one person that got it all has some padding on the end of the recording. We've had 5 or 6 people reporting that their recordings got cut short, from all over the US. I have Directv also. It also was the same on my Microsoft Vista MCE also, it just happens to pad about 5 minutes if there isn't anything to be recorded afterwards.

I'd be more inclined to believe the one person that got it all has some padding on the end of the recording. We've had 5 or 6 people reporting that their recordings got cut short, from all over the US. I have Directv also. It also was the same on my Microsoft Vista MCE also, it just happens to pad about 5 minutes if there isn't anything to be recorded afterwards.

Yes, I just assumed that he hadn't as it was not mentioned.

Hopefully this problem is corrected this week, maybe...:D

I'd be more inclined to believe the one person that got it all has some padding on the end of the recording. We've had 5 or 6 people reporting that their recordings got cut short, from all over the US. I have Directv also. It also was the same on my Microsoft Vista MCE also, it just happens to pad about 5 minutes if there isn't anything to be recorded afterwards.

No paddiing here. The only thing we missed were the previews. I don't believe that we have anything recording after Bones, but I would have to check.

I noticed my guide has House listed from 8:00 to 9:01 tomorrow, Bones still listed as 8:00 to 9:00, we'll see how it works out.

NickyD, I've got to believe you got lucky. :) You're on directv like several of us, correct?

Interesting twist at the end of tonight's ep. Zack, King of the Looney Bin :D

Interesting twist at the end of tonight's ep. Zack, King of the Looney Bin :D

Yes. I hope Zack can return full time at some point during this season.

Yeah, those few minutes made the show, Zack is the missing ingredient this fall.

BTW, looks like they are feeding him well in the LB.

Yeah, those few minutes made the show, Zack is the missing ingredient this fall.

BTW, looks like they are feeding him well in the LB.

No doubt, he looks like he's put on quite a few pounds. Wonder if we're gonna have a new lab guy/gal every week?

Even a fat Zack beats no Zack at all. :) I have also enjoyed Sweets a lot more this season. He is developing into a very interesting character.

I thought the funniest line of the episode came when Dr. Saroyan explained Temperance to the Intern de Jour by telling him, "She's very direct, but she's clumsy."

From the HOtP post:

Old faithful Bones opened the evening for Fox with a healthy second-place 6.1/10 in the overnights at 8 p.m.

Glad to see even with all new programming up against it last night that Bones still did well. Hopefully Fox will wake up once and for all and stop threatening to move them to Fridays.

Great to see they brought Zack back in this last episode and hinted on working on getting him out of the "loonie bin" for more!

I'd rather Zach come back in the position he was in. But, the guy last night I thought was the best of the few so far.

I'd rather Zach come back in the position he was in. But, the guy last night I thought was the best of the few so far.

I kinda liked the one Hodgins railed on about the Lemon he sold him, he knew everything, had kids out the yazoo, I just liked him for some reason.

I think the reason you see a new replacement each week is because Zach will eventually be filling that role again.

I think the reason you see a new replacement each week is because Zach will eventually be filling that role again.
With the ending scene with him and Sweets this could happen. I have no idea though.

Hey folks, did anyone else notice that on every close shot of Emily Deschanel, they digitally blurred and altered the area under her eyes? On my 106" HD projection screen it's very noticeable and annoying. You can see where it's blurred because there is a complete lack of film grain and skin detail.

-Eric

Hey folks, did anyone else notice that on every close shot of Emily Deschanel, they digitally blurred and altered the area under her eyes? On my 106" HD projection screen it's very noticeable and annoying. You can see where it's blurred because there is a complete lack of film grain and skin detail.

-Eric

Which episode and when did this happen?

35mm film
The first season of Bones was shot on 3-perf Vision 500T 5279,

2nd season--
Kodak’s Vision2 5299 HD Color Scan film stock. Touted as a specialty stock for TV productions, 5299 allows the cinematographer to match the look of several different Kodak emulsions, all on the same roll of film.

Bones is the first show where I’ve put my meter at 2,000 ASA, and the footage looks great.”

Most alterations were relegated to the architectural lighting — much of which is visibly integrated into the set — for the express purpose of taking the overall light level down to accommodate shooting on 5299.

For an interior night scene in a restaurant in downtown Los Angeles, Lonsdale found he could get away with using little more than a small table lamp to light a master shot of Booth and his ex (Tamara Taylor). Shooting at 2,000 ASA with the lens at a T2,
he and Level 3 dailies colorist Rick Smith decided to transfer the film at 1080p 24 fps on a Spirit and grade with a da Vinci 2K.
[means you can rate this film as 320 ASA to 2,000 ASA.]
http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynamic/March2008/Television/page4.php

Ok, question. On tonight's episode Booth was looking for the butane lighter and the attendant slipped him a lighter, could anyone make out what it was?

Ok, question. On tonight's episode Booth was looking for the butane lighter and the attendant slipped him a lighter, could anyone make out what it was?

Looked like one of these:
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Looked like one of these:
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thanks, it was something similar, I forgot that Bones used it later in the show. duh

Typically when they shoot, let's say on location, when will those scenes air on TV ?

Hey folks, did anyone else notice that on every close shot of Emily Deschanel, they digitally blurred and altered the area under her eyes? On my 106" HD projection screen it's very noticeable and annoying. You can see where it's blurred because there is a complete lack of film grain and skin detail.

-Eric

I just thought they were using heavy makeup to hide her dark rings. I'll have to look out for that next episode.

Anyone else think this ep in particualr really had the wrong tone? A minor kills the woman his dad is cheating on, and by the end he is making jokes and Booth is blowing it off? I don't think we even see what the woman looked like when she was alive, which really makes it hard to sympathize with her and care why she was killed. I preferred the old style of showing some flashbacks so that the body has some emotional resonance.

Seems like the writers care more about the cast relationships. They missed a dozen brilliant ways to have the mystery writer fans lampoon Bones and self-mock the show, instead they dwell on Angela and her lesbian lover with mega-rich Hodges continuing to be a whiny punk.

Anyone else think this ep in particualr really had the wrong tone? A minor kills the woman his dad is cheating on, and by the end he is making jokes and Booth is blowing it off? I don't think we even see what the woman looked like when she was alive, which really makes it hard to sympathize with her and care why she was killed. I preferred the old style of showing some flashbacks so that the body has some emotional resonance.

Seems like the writers care more about the cast relationships. They missed a dozen brilliant ways to have the mystery writer fans lampoon Bones and self-mock the show, instead they dwell on Angela and her lesbian lover with mega-rich Hodges continuing to be a whiny punk.

I enjoyed the episode, I think the show is about the cast, that's why I like it so much, it reminds me of NCIS in that way, and the interactions of the cast are what make the show. I not sure I'd go so far as to say they dwelled on Angela and her love interest, but it's a big part of what's going on in the lab/workplace right now.

I think Bones is just as good this year as it has been in previous years, it's different, but I'm still enjoying it, Sweets has been a pleasant surprise, I really wasn't a big fan when he first started appearing, but he's fit right in, same as Cam, everybody just seems to blend in and pretty soon I'm liking all of them and all their weird little personalty quirks.

You could be right. Maybe it is because I feel the whole Angela/Hodges thing feels so forced. I think the actors were thrown a bone (har har) so they could stretch some acting muscles rather than constantly being on the lovey dovey train.

I just see so many inconsistancies in the writing. Booth goes from straight man to buffoon to sending Bones down FIRST into a room where they just heard a scream. Hodges unlimited financial resources and conspiracy theories are dropped. Cam and Booths "relationship" is dropped. Bones fluctuates between piericing human insight to total obliviousness to extremely common social norms.

I guess it is the loss of Zack. He somehow was the glue that allowed the squints to have lots of banter while still being squints. Now the back room crew seems largely seperated, leading to lots of apparently extraneous outside interactions.

I suppose after 5 seasons a show like this is doomed to tread dangerous ground. They have not significantly advanced ANY character from season one, episode one (aside, perhaps, for Booth becoming much more jocular and open and of course Zacks massive flame out) yet they don't focus on the procedural aspect enough to let that carry the show.

jason -- I agree that the show is getting a little tired in some ways. Nevertheless, I continue to enjoy it, primarily because of Booth and Temperance's tempestuous relationship and Temperance's combination of charm and clumsy cluelessness. Without the two of them the show would be not much but Booth and Bones are enough for me, at least for the time being.

The Angela lesbian subplot is no more interesting than the Angela wedding subplot. She was interesting when they all went out in the desert one episode. Roxy, was Mary McCormack's hotter, morally challenged sister on In Plain Sight. They sure sucked the hotness out her new character...I guess they didn't want her upstaging Angela or Bones.

I'm just waiting for B&B to do it already! the tension is so much now, specially if they travel together for hours,
Te coach-1st class thingy, like that was taken from a Seinfeld episode, but this time the girl is in first class.

Roxy, was Mary McCormack's hotter, morally challenged sister on In Plain Sight. They sure sucked the hotness out her new character...I guess they didn't want her upstaging Angela or Bones.

Thanks, Roxy looked familiar to me and I couldn't recall where I saw here before - that was it. She was a blonde on "In Plain Sight" I believe.

The Angela lesbian subplot is no more interesting than the Angela wedding subplot. She was interesting when they all went out in the desert one episode.

Yeah, that was one of my favorite episodes of the entire series. Back then, the whole show wasn't trying to be a soap opera.

on TNT, is this stretch-o-vision for everyone?

on TNT, is this stretch-o-vision for everyone?

Do you mean, does everyone see it in stretch-o-vision, then the answer is yes? Write to them and complain, I did, little good it did, but let them know you don't like it.
the email address is:
tnt@turner.com
and make sure TNT in HD is in the subject line somewhere.

on TNT, is this stretch-o-vision for everyone?
No, its worse than stretch-o-vision. It's big arm-head-o-vision. Or alien-vision.

No Bones tomorrow night, they decided to preempt it until next week, but the good thing is we get a double header, two new episodes next Thursday.

Well it's worth the wait...

Hey anyone knows if Bones full seasons are on Blu-ray yet?

Hey anyone knows if Bones full seasons are on Blu-ray yet?They're not. (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/shows/Bones/9433)

Hoping they air the hockey episode... I was in it as a scorekeeper wearing a blue "Cobra" jacket with beanie

Don't forget we get a double header tonight.

Don't forget we get a double header tonight.

The guide is listing it as a single 2 hour episode (with each title in the description) in case anyone gets confused.

so what did everyone think? I thought they were pretty good. When it comes back in two weeks, we get to see an old friend, The Gravedigger!

so what did everyone think? I thought they were pretty good. When it comes back in two weeks, we get to see an old friend, The Gravedigger!

I thought they were ok, it was Bones, I don't think I've ever disliked an episode of Bones since the show began. Saw that about the Gravedigger, I have wondered about him before, they never did get him and that storyline just kind of went in the background. We need us a big bad villian, I just hope they string it out and make it more interesting that the way they seemed to rush through the Howard Epps serial killer stuff.

Is Mr. Nigel-Murray going to become a regular? We've had 4 or 5 lab techs this year as Zach wannabes, wonder if we're gonna get a tech of the week, or if we're gonna settle in on one?

thats a good question about Mr. Nigel-Murray. I like his character alot. Seems like a good personality to play with Bones. I thought I remembered hearing we were gonna settle in on one eventually, I hope thats the case. Over the course of the show, I think we've got a good feel for the 'squint-dynamic' and I think a revolving door tech of the week sort of thing would sort of disrupt all that.

Hoping they air the hockey episode... I was in it as a scorekeeper wearing a blue "Cobra" jacket with beanie

I missed you, but I'll go back and find you :)

FINALLY, some quality eps! I've poo-pooed this show for months, but these two eps were tight, focused on the crimes, were funny, and minimized squint love chatter. Wow, I hope these are indicative of the rest of the season.

Best part was when the blonde FBI chick asked Booth about his father. He immediately stormed out and almost beat up Sweets. Great to see him on the other side of the table for a change :)

I think this is the most under-rated show on TV, with so much quality and content, then people won't talk about it... Last night they went a little off with the ghost story but I forgive them..

I was pretty dissapointed when Angela said to Bones about the "loved one" and Bones immediatly said "I don't love Booth!", but then she goes all out to save his life and that hug at the end meant a lot I think..

I think this is the most under-rated show on TV, with so much quality and content, then people won't talk about it... Last night they went a little off with the ghost story but I forgive them..

I was pretty dissapointed when Angela said to Bones about the "loved one" and Bones immediatly said "I don't love Booth!", but then she goes all out to save his life and that hug at the end meant a lot I think..

I love this show, it's in my top 3 for sure, but they really seem to have a big problem with the big villians, they all just seem to end with so little fanfare, last night the Gravedigger, the Howard Epps serial killer stuff, Gormegon(sp?) they all just seem so anticlimactic and like they're just a side note, hopefully they'll have a real big bang finish to a villian one of these days. Still love the show, but think their big bads just seem to fizzle out.

hopefully they'll have a real big bang finish to a villian one of these days.What would be an example of that?

I'm in love with Emily Deschannel, even with the hair like that she looked fantastic, on the circus episode I was drooling and my jaw was on the floor...

What would be an example of that?

The Ari in NCIS was pretty good, I don't have anything in particular, I just felt let down on the big bads and the way it all ended, we never met Gormegon, Howard Epps wasn't so bad an ending, but seemed so lame the way they caught up with him, he was so slick and did everything to perfection, but the ending seemed kind of simple and not befitting of how good(bad) he went about his business. Gravedigger seemed drummed up, the characters have been great in the show, but I just thought the endings of these bad guys was kind of meh.

I still love the show and won't miss an episode, love the cast and crew.

Edit: Thinking about last night's episode, if they hadn't even caught GD, I think the show would have worked just as well, and we could have kept GD around if we wanted to.

The Ari in NCIS was pretty good, I don't have anything in particular, I just felt let down on the big bads and the way it all ended, we never met Gormegon, Howard Epps wasn't so bad an ending, but seemed so lame the way they caught up with him, he was so slick and did everything to perfection, but the ending seemed kind of simple and not befitting of how good(bad) he went about his business. Gravedigger seemed drummed up, the characters have been great in the show, but I just thought the endings of these bad guys was kind of meh.

I still love the show and won't miss an episode, love the cast and crew.

Edit: Thinking about last night's episode, if they hadn't even caught GD, I think the show would have worked just as well, and we could have kept GD around if we wanted to.

Some explanation for their activities would be nice, the why of what they do as it were. All we usually get here is the person gets caught - end of story. Even Sweets talked about knowing the GD backwards and forwards yet we never got any of that insight to the killers motivations, it's all about the main characters and nothing else.

Ok, episode tonight, looks like we have a new semi-regular in Agent Payton Perotta, but the thing that really caught my eye was in the previews, they are returning in 3 weeks with 11 new episodes in a row, according to my count, that would make a 26 episode season. Awesome :cool::D

Ok, episode tonight, looks like we have a new semi-regular in Agent Payton Perotta, but the thing that really caught my eye was in the previews, they are returning in 3 weeks with 11 new episodes in a row, according to my count, that would make a 26 episode season. Awesome :cool::D

3 weeks? They've been all over the map lately for scheduling but that's Fox for ya. No continuity whatsoever for one of their best, most loyally viewed shows.

Enjoyed the episode tonight. For now we seem to have gotten past some of the interpersonal melodrama from earlier in the season which isnt really what the show excels at.

At least they have finished with the usual serial killers, Gormagon, Grave digger, etc, I wonder if another one will come soon?

I saw in the previews that Bones would be back in two weeks, American Idol :( I thought we were going to get a real run, they really do seem to jerk Bones around a lot.

They seem to be dumbing Bones down some, normally I would expect her to be the one that knows all about the tech of the week and their religion, instead she acted like she knew nothing about his beliefs.

Amy Pietz was the mother of Ashley, I've seen Amy Pietz in 4 different shows this week, she was in both eps of 'Trust Me' on TNT and I flipped over to UHD and caught an old episode of Burn Notice and she was the guest star, and again tonight. She was great on the late, but great CW show, 'Aliens in America'.

Anyway, I don't want them to change Bones' character, she seems just right to me. Wonder who the tech of the week will be when the show returns?

I saw in the previews that Bones would be back in two weeks, American Idol :( I thought we were going to get a real run, they really do seem to jerk Bones around a lot.

They seem to be dumbing Bones down some, normally I would expect her to be the one that knows all about the tech of the week and their religion, instead she acted like she knew nothing about his beliefs.

Amy Pietz was the mother of Ashley, I've seen Amy Pietz in 4 different shows this week, she was in both eps of 'Trust Me' on TNT and I flipped over to UHD and caught an old episode of Burn Notice and she was the guest star, and again tonight. She was great on the late, but great CW show, 'Aliens in America'.

Anyway, I don't want them to change Bones' character, she seems just right to me. Wonder who the tech of the week will be when the show returns?

Rumors are floating around that due to the preemption next week that Fox may decide to take what was planned as the season finale and move it to the beginning of next year because they dont want to extend the season.

I think it's a terrible idea but that's Fox for ya.

They seem to be dumbing Bones down some, normally I would expect her to be the one that knows all about the tech of the week and their religion, instead she acted like she knew nothing about his beliefs.

I would say they have dumbed Bones down more than "some", especially in the latest episode. For someone with as much knowledge as Bones has obtained throughout all of her studies and travels, to act completely dumbfounded like she was, just makes the writers seem like they are complete morons. Also, the interview with the parents made it seem like she has been missing for months or years. They must of forgot the first part of the episode where she clearly wasn't missing that long.

Rumors are floating around that due to the preemption next week that Fox may decide to take what was planned as the season finale and move it to the beginning of next year because they dont want to extend the season.

I think it's a terrible idea but that's Fox for ya.

And they're pre-empting it, because of the Presidential address on Tuesday? They promise us extra episodes this season and then renege, why not just give us a double header one night, they did that once this season, why not do it again.

And they're pre-empting it, because of the Presidential address on Tuesday? They promise us extra episodes this season and then renege, why not just give us a double header one night, they did that once this season, why not do it again.

Hey, good news they aren't giving us a double header in one night, but they are airing two new episodes next week, Wednesday and Thursday, 8:00 pm Eastern. :cool:

I liked last night... especially the ending. Now THAT was funny.

... and the bouncing turkey ... I think I missed about 5 minutes of dialog after that.

There were a lot of funny parts in last nights episode, I must have LOL'ed 5-6 times, the remarks directed at/about Sweets were particularly hilarious. :D

Was Angela's father played by musician Billy Gibbons from ZZ-Top?

Was Angela's father played by musician Billy Gibbons from ZZ-Top?

Yes, it is, he's been in a few other episodes as well.

Yes, it is, he's been in a few other episodes as well.I can't remember---was he playing himself?

I can't remember---was he playing himself?

Yes....

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0316531/

Don't forget, new Bones tonight and tomorrow and we also have two new episodes next week. Monday and Thursday. All showings are at 8:00 pm Eastern

What happened to Hogins' new tat? It didn't come up at all last night. You'd think he'd be upset about it. Maybe tonight.

What happened to Hogins' new tat? It didn't come up at all last night. I think the episode was shown out of sequence.

What about Angela's celibacy? or hornyness?

I think the episode was shown out of sequence.

What about Angela's celibacy? or hornyness?

She did talk briefly about that with Bones. She joined that matching service in hopes of meeting someone she could connect with spiritually.

That ZZ top guy is so mean, poor Hodgins LOL.... although Angie tatt'ed on his arm is gonna be interesting.. LOL

She did talk briefly about that with Bones. She joined that matching service in hopes of meeting someone she could connect with spiritually.

Well, she didn't mention celibacy. It did seem the episode skipped over a few of the story lines which does lead me to believe the show was heavily edited so it fit with the order they showed it.

Well, she didn't mention celibacy. It did seem the episode skipped over a few of the story lines which does lead me to believe the show was heavily edited so it fit with the order they showed it.

Bones did ask her how it was going with her celibacy. She said that there were 2 or 3 stages. (Don't remember word for word) Stage one was something to do with irritability. I forget what stage 2 & 3 were. Bones said something like, "so you're up to stage 2?" Her response was, "No, I'm still in the irritability phase." (or something to that affect) It was cute, but quick. Easy to miss it.

Does anybody else suspect that the jury is still out concerning the truthfulness and loyalty of Sweets' girlfriend?

Does anybody else suspect that the jury is still out concerning the truthfulness and loyalty of Sweets' girlfriend?

I wouldn't count it out. That girl is a loon.

Bones did ask her how it was going with her celibacy. She said that there were 2 or 3 stages. (Don't remember word for word) Stage one was something to do with irritability. I forget what stage 2 & 3 were. Bones said something like, "so you're up to stage 2?" Her response was, "No, I'm still in the irritability phase." (or something to that affect) It was cute, but quick. Easy to miss it.

You sure that wasn't last weeks episode? I don't recall that dialog in the 4/15 episode.

Don't forget, new Bones tonight.

Holy cow! That just may have been the funniest episode of Bones ever, I think I laughed almost all the way through it. The undertaker was especially hysterical. The sunglasses and the smile, oh man... :D:D

Gotta second that. And if you add in tonights Castle it was one of the funniest nights on television in some time.

yep, great great episode. Especially during Booth and Bones' "Escape"

Adam

Bones lover forever here....

I'm glad FOX is focusing a lot on Bones, they showed it 2 times last week and early this week, and it continues rocking, the show has at least 8 Million loyal fans that watch it whenever it shows.

Bones lover forever here....

I'm glad FOX is focusing a lot on Bones, they showed it 2 times last week and early this week, and it continues rocking, the show has at least 8 Million loyal fans that watch it whenever it shows.

Don't be too glad....usually when they start showing new eps at this rate they are unloading them for a quick cancellation. But I don't think that's the case here.

Bones missed alot of air time when idol started the new season.

While watching the first few episodes of the first season, I didn't think the series would last. Just didn't feel any "chemistry" between the principals. Since then that has increased by tons. Now it's so much fun watching the push-me-pull-you banter between them. Very enjoyable!

Don't be too glad....usually when they start showing new eps at this rate they are unloading them for a quick cancellation. But I don't think that's the case here.

No, that's definately not the case here. Fox, while being general douches in regards to the scheduling of Bones, do understand that's it's one of their best performers. They've already order more scripts for next season and with the ratings it pulls on Wednesdays or Thursdays the show is a lock for next season.

Seems like Sweets has an interesting past coming to light, I kind of like his character,too. I don't really get the Angela as being a sex addict and also being bi.

My favorite ep this season was when Bones and Booth joined the circus undercover.

I don't really get the Angela as being a sex addict and also being bi.You make it sound as if the two are mutually exclusive.

No its not that at all. I mean here character otherwise seems professional at work without being flirty to anyone other than Hodgins, but who she ended up not marrying, and out of the blue with no hinting on the show beforehand that she was bi, boom, she's living with her old girlfriend. She never gave me the impression of being a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Then she has a meeting with Sweets, to discuss her sex appetite, she feels that she has to have sex, with anyone, and can't live without it, but doesn't seem to need an emotional relationship that goes along with it to make it worthwhile.

I never got that impression from her character at all before, and this development came out of the blue. I mean it seems out of character for her, thats all, She seemed classier than that to me before all of this. But she's still hot....:) that opinion of her hasn't changed with me.

I never got that impression from her character at all before, and this development came out of the blue.

LOL ... clearly, you've been watching a different show than the rest of us.

Ok, lets hear your take on her............

Ok, lets hear your take on her............

A sex kitten who also is very classy and intelligent. You don't think that all sex kittens are low brow right?

she keeps her "sex kitten" very low key on the clock, and thats 98.9% of the time we see her character.......

she keeps her "sex kitten" very low key on the clock, and thats 98.9% of the time we see her character.......

Many do the same in real life. That's why the librarian fantasy came to be in the first place.:D

Ok, lets hear your take on her............

I don't have a "take." The fact that Angela is something a "free spirit" was established fairly early in Season 1 when one of her "once a year flings" turned up dead in the desert.

Many do the same in real life. That's why the librarian fantasy came to be in the first place.:D

I hear you!................

I don't have a "take." The fact that Angela is something a "free spirit" was established fairly early in Season 1 when one of her "once a year flings" turned up dead in the desert.And in the first episode when she flashed the ticket agent for info on picking Temperance up...


v/r,
C-F

Interesting quote:

"Bones began life as a combo police-science procedural based on Kathy Reichs' best-selling thrillers. Because Emily Deschanel's Temperance ''Bones'' Brennan was a forensic anthropologist, the corpses were gruesome and frequently repellent to David Boreanaz's FBI special agent Seeley Booth assigned to Bones' cases. At first the show built its audience with the playful disparity between the literal-minded rationality of the doctor and the goofy temper of the G-man. By now, however, anyone coming to Bones (new viewer or old faithful) might be struck by how little the cases, the plots, actually matter. Half the time the episode's murder seems to be an excuse to make light jokes, banter, and maneuver Bones and Booth ever closer to more-than-smoochy intimacy. I mean this as a compliment: A thousand other shows are all about the crime solving —Bones stands out as TV's most dependable romantic screwball comedy." —Ken Tucker

Don't forget new Bones tonight... It seems "Bones" wants a baby... I won't miss it!

All I can say is I certainly did not expect the ending.

I find it amusing that Bones has gone back to the mid-ep summary. Either Fox thinks their viewers are so dumb they can't follow a typical procedural show (which is standard fare on CBS) or the Bones guys know their editing is so choppy that important plot points are frequently buried by tangential jokes.

I find it amusing that Bones has gone back to the mid-ep summary. Either Fox thinks their viewers are so dumb they can't follow a typical procedural show (which is standard fare on CBS) or the Bones guys know their editing is so choppy that important plot points are frequently buried by tangential jokes.

Or it's none of the above and they just want to catch people up who may have joined late AND provide some clarity to the slower viewers out there.

These things don't always have to be either an insult to the viewers or poor work on the part of the show...

Is it parallel world crossover week?

An odd choice for a finale especially with absolutely no opening context whatsoever. The end result was I spent the first 10 minutes looking for an explanation and the rest of the show I just ran in the background because it was completely pointless. Just like every other coma episode. My Name Is Earl please step forward.

Pity, because last episode set things up for an interesting follow-up episode and this wasted the opportunity. Especially since I didn't remember Booth had a brain tumor last week until it appeared at the end.

Bizarre, loopy script. -- John

Is it parallel world crossover week?

An odd choice for a finale especially with absolutely no opening context whatsoever. The end result was I spent the first 10 minutes looking for an explanation and the rest of the show I just ran in the background because it was completely pointless. Just like every other coma episode. My Name Is Earl please step forward.

Pity, because last episode set things up for an interesting follow-up episode and this wasted the opportunity. Especially since I didn't remember Booth had a brain tumor last week until it appeared at the end.
I, too, had forgotten Booth's brain surgery until the show returned to the real world at the end of the episode. I rather enjoyed the change of pace, nevertheless. Although the dream-coma-whatever device to support the episode's premise was certainly creaky, I liked the show anyway because of the similarities -- and differences -- the analog versions of the characters bore to their real world counterparts.

As someone who watches way too many tv shows and movies I knew this wasn't going to be a typical episode the moment I saw the previews for this weeks episode from last week.
When the episode started I thought it was a dream. Then the show continued. So I figured this was her next book and it would end with Boothe reading it.
Then we see the ending and I can't believe I forgot about the brain tumor. Kudos to them for that. We had 2 episodes ending with a mild shock of him having a tumor. Unfortunately writers being writers they had to have him not remember:(
Still enjoyed the episode.

It was cool in that they included every inside joke and bit of trivia there is... and yet very very confusing.

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread at the top of the 'HDTV Programming' page:

The 2009-2010 Season
'Bones' renewed for fall
Pact for show's fifth season held up on license fee
By Michael Schneider, Variety, May 16, 2009

Fox and sister 20th Century Fox (http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2015516/20th%20Century%20Fox.html?dataSet=1) TV have finally finalized a deal to bring "Bones" (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('%22Bones%22');) back for fall.

In what has become a common tale this upfront season, pact to renew "Bones" was held up as both sides haggled a new license fee for the show (Daily Variety (javascript:zodInfuser.FillDescriptions('Daily%20Variety');) , May 15).

"Bones" is entering its fifth season this fall -- the year in which dramatic license fee increases are usually triggered, as studios look to recoup their early costs.

Since both Fox and 20th are News Corp. companies, the price isn't as big an issue as what it means for the show's profit participants. Given that self-dealing lawsuits are commonplace, the studio and network wanted to make sure a deal was in place that could be signed off by everyone.

The "Bones" deal repped the toughest negotiation between studio and network so far in the new News Corp. reporting structure. With the departure of Peter Chernin, who had overseen both sides, the studio and network now have separate reports.

"Bones" exec producer Hart Hanson (http://www.variety.com/profiles/people/main/488043/Hart%20Hanson.html?dataSet=1) broke the news of the show's renewal via his Twitter account.

Hanson, who said he had received news of the pickup from a Fox exec, had earlier expressed confidence that a deal would be made.

"Business is business," he said. "It takes a while to get all of the major players on the same page. Tough business."

"Bones" was never really in danger of not returning. Show has helped Fox finally develop a scripted series pulse on Thursday nights for the first time in years.

But 20th did do its due diligence in recent weeks, contacting other networks to see how much they would pay for "Bones" -- under the assumption that they were looking for the show's fair market value.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118003809.html?categoryid=14&cs=1

So was "dreaming" that he was married to Bones and owned a nightclub and "did it" with Bones every night (I think I wouldn't want to wake up from that dream).

It was a bit shocking the "who are you?" at the end..

Well, I think it was supposed to be a bit ambiguous intially when they faded to the hospital room with Temperance writing the Ending to the Story and then Booth waking up with the "What a strange dream" comment.

1) Brennan writing the story. I think this is the actual case.
2) It Booth's Dream
3) Both are true adn the psychic connection b/w the 2 is growing stronger. Possibly Temperance was reading her the story out loud as she was writing and Booth's anesthetized brain was picking up on it as a Dream.

If #3 was the case then he should have recognized Temperence either as his partner or as his wife from the story (making for an interesting few episodes regaining his memory). Instead he asks "Who are you!" hinting he's lost his memory or he's screwing with Brennan a bit. Knowing Booth, it wouldn't be too far fetched that it;s an elaborate hoax on Brennan and simultaneously a cliff hanger for us.

It's fascinating guessing about this ending to this strange story. I have to agree with some of the posters here that it was probably Bones who was doing the story. She knew all of the people in the story and their personal backgrounds. Many of the lab people used were barely known to Booth. She even went so far as to use Hodgins crazy gift for dreaming of the underlining paranoid actions in everything as a narrator for the story. Plus she is the writer in the group. Booth could never give the many people in the story a personality like Bones could.

I just wish they had clued the audience into the concept of the story before they did it. The moment I saw Bones climbing into bed with Booth, I knew it must be some kind of fantasy. They would never do that. That's part of the allure of the show. Can a handsome guy be friends with a beautiful woman as a partner without wanting to go to bed with her? Bones ideas about having a baby shows me that it could not happen if your partner is as hung up on her job and her strange scientific view of everything in life as Bones is. They will always be "just Friends".:D

As I commented about similar hallucination/dream sequences on House, these plot divergences and contrivances are cheap ploys from writers with bad block and desire to get characters in bed yet still keep them chaste with each other - a sleazy audience manipulation if there ever was one. Any nitwit off the street could come up with this stuff and be just as non-entertaining. There is no audience investment in story lines conjured up this way and fooling the viewers rather than pulling them along for the ride is a worse than poor way to keep them coming back with loyalty. The only thing I can say about this year's ending is that it was better than last year's, which is damned little praise. The writers should still be in purgatory for destroying Zack as a character and infesting the series with the never-ending string of weak assistants-of-the-week.

Don't forget we have a new Bones tonight at 8:00pm ET.

I love this show. I had several laugh out loud moments tonight. It's one of the best ensembles on TV.

Center channel was intermittent first 20 minutes and from then on audio was out of sync in my area. Unknown if this was D* or WTTE's fault.

I thought the PQ was better last night than last year. It wasn't as grainy. I do remember FOX had an issue with their feed last year for a month or 2.

I liked Cyndi Lauper in this episode. She had a cool song in the soundtrack as well. Great start to the new season.

Warning for Fringe and Bones viewers...

With the World Series ending last night, FOX changed its schedule for tonight to include new episodes of Fringe and Bones. Depending on when your TiVo last connected to download guide data, it may not have information for these new episodes.

If you have a standalone TiVo, be sure to force a connection to the TiVo service under the Settings -> Phone & Network screen to make sure you get the guide data for these new episodes. Fringe and Bones should appear in the guide approximately 30 minutes after the connection is complete.

Amazing.

FIOS has this in the schedule!

What the ...

someone interrupted the Avatar trailer with an episode of Bones! :rolleyes:

Does anyone care as much about Avatar as this episode portrayed? Is anyone painting their face blue and lining up already? Especially since everything I've seen of Avatar says it will be a technically impressive, but mediocre movie.

And did anyone need an episode of Bones to remind them the movie is coming out when there are trailers everywhere?

I'm looking forward to it, going to see it at Imax in SF on the 23rd with Cirque du Soleil "OVO" in the evening, next day King Tut at the de Young and then the Nutcracker at the War Memorial Opera House on Christmas Eve.:)

Tonight on a very special episode of Avatar...

See what happens when 3 people in line to get tickets somehow find themselves involved in both a romantic triangle AND a murder investigation. Will they lose their place in line? Will they get to see Avatar? Tune in to find out!

:)

The image I can't get out of my mind is the opener when they pulled the body out of the oil. Only Bones could have such a chilling scene and make it comical.

We used to watch Bones while eating breakfast on Sunday mornings. My wife could take it anymore.