is the 1130 or 5060 being refreshed this year? When? How much?? And what will be the difference between the new and the old?

is the 1130 or 5060 being refreshed this year? When? How much?? And what will be the difference between the new and the old?


We don't know and won't know until August.

I had read somewhere on this forum or within this thread a few caveats about using the 1130/5060 as a monitor - such has not proven to be the case - it functions exceptionally well as a computer monitor - and with the new pip capabilities, I can watch through the built-in digital tunerd and compute at the same time. (Note: you can't do pip with more than one external source at a time :( )

LIY :D

What are the issues with the Pioneer as a computer monitor? Mine is on back order and one of primary sources I plan to connect to the 1130 is my HTPC running at the native 1280x768 resolution.

The only thing I could see from the owners manual that is different on the PC input is it has RGB color adjustment rather than the normal color/tint. I also believe it has both manual and automatic picture size and position adjustment. Also when running at 1280x768 you need to set the PC mode to "FULL2". The one thing that wasn't clear is whether the "Pro Adjust" features are functional with the PC input.

If there are any issues with using the 1130 with a PC I would really like to know before it is to late. :confused:

I came up with one more question. On 4:3 SD content, can the side masks be set to black?

Perhaps this has been asked and already answered in the >2200 posts and 76 pages and counting on the Pioneer 50" plasma's. So, the easy way out.
What is the difference between the PDP and the Elite models, in terms of picure quality, color etc. Is the $1000 or so more worth the difference for the Elite, and unless side by side can one make out the difference?
This is particularly important since Costco will get some more Pioneer PDP's (I spoke to one of them on the floor yesterday, and he told me that the store (in Scottsdale, AZ) will be getting some more in a couple of weeks). Costco obviously cannot get their hands on the Elite's.

I am all set now. I went to the back of my receiver & discovered that my installer had 2 digital audio cables installed - 1 to my DVR & the other to the MR. I just had to choose a different receiver function & I now have OTA audio.

Looking much more forward to the Super Bowl now!

Glad to hear you got it all worked out. Having a fine display like that and not being able to watch the game in HD (or hear it!) would be a major drag. I hope you've indicated your displeasure to your cable company. Not carrying The Welding Channel(tm) in HD I can understand, but ABC? :confused:

There was a $1700 difference between what I could get an 1130 for locally and what I could get the 5060 for through a forum sponsor. I went with the 5060 for 4 reasons:
1. The price difference was too big to gloss over.
2. I will probably want to upgrade in a couple of years.
3. All of the additional tweaker features on the Elite sound nice but I'm not a tweaker. Also, the coloration and the quality of the picture changes from channel to channel and DVD to DVD. It is lost on me how granular color adjustment capabilites are an add value in a situation like this. In other words would I tweak every channel to get right only to get the urge to surf some more?
4. I could get the 5060 ISF calibrated 4 times or once a year for 4 years for the price difference.
Maybe I'm missing something but it seems the Elite would be great for me if it were dedicated to movie watching but it's not. Anyways that is my logic (rationalization?) for going with the 5060.

gijay- Those are my personal reasons for going with the 5060. As an analogy let me use the Acura/Honda comparisons some have used to try and clarify their reasoning for paying as much as 30% more for the Elite(and I believe it is worth it to them and where they are on the HDTV curve)...I have an Acura TL and I don't even use 1/2 the features it has, the 260 HP engine is seldom used because I'm bogged down in LA traffic or trying to avoid the many, many potholes that could take out my front end at anytime. I end up driving my wife's Toyota with the big fat tires most of the time.

Channel surfing through the offerings (including HD) and DVD watching are alot like driving in LA to me. There are alot of potholes. Also, I don't have videophile eyes, patience or experience. Finally...even though I could afford the Elite, well, it just feels good to get a heck of a deal. Which is what I got on the 5060 from a forum sponsor. The TV arrived in perfect condition and I haven't seen a dead or stuck pixel yet.

Again, everything above is my opinion and my opinion only.

I found an inexpensive site to purchase an HDMI cable so I decided to try one out. I connected it and the component cable to the 3412 and paused live TV and compared the picture. I must say I did notice a difference and the HDMI cable produced a slightly clearer and cleaner image. Check out monoprice.com.

Regards,

Jim

What are the issues with the Pioneer as a computer monitor? Mine is on back order and one of primary sources I plan to connect to the 1130 is my HTPC running at the native 1280x768 resolution.

The only thing I could see from the owners manual that is different on the PC input is it has RGB color adjustment rather than the normal color/tint. I also believe it has both manual and automatic picture size and position adjustment. Also when running at 1280x768 you need to set the PC mode to "FULL2". The one thing that wasn't clear is whether the "Pro Adjust" features are functional with the PC input.

If there are any issues with using the 1130 with a PC I would really like to know before it is to late. :confused:

The "Pro Adjust" features are not functional with the pc input. Also, I am unaware of the "full 2" setting, as my only options, running 800x600 are "full", "4:3" and "dot by dot" (same as it was on my 5030).

Running at 800x600 the 1130 is an exceptional computer monitor - I see no reason why that would not be the case running at the native resolution of the panel!

I suspect you made the correct choice and will be quite pleased!

LIY :D

P.S. I could not find the post to which I referred in my initial posting - something to the effect that viewing blacks on the pio 5060/1130 was inducing some type of vertical roll (I think) - the poster stated he had brought this to the attention of the Pio rep at the Las Vegas CES who acknowledged this to be a known problem. Whole story could be apocryphal, but it worried me until I tried it out!

L.

The "Pro Adjust" features are not functional with the pc input. Also, I am unaware of the "full 2" setting, as my only options, running 800x600 are "full", "4:3" and "dot by dot" (same as it was on my 5030).

Running at 800x600 the 1130 is an exceptional computer monitor - I see no reason why that would not be the case running at the native resolution of the panel!

I suspect you made the correct choice and will be quite pleased!

LIY :D

P.S. I could not find the post to which I referred in my initial posting - something to the effect that viewing blacks on the pio 5060/1130 was inducing some type of vertical roll (I think) - the poster stated he had brought this to the attention of the Pio rep at the Las Vegas CES who acknowledged this to be a known problem. Whole story could be apocryphal, but it worried me until I tried it out!

L.

Thanks LIY.

According to the manual the FULL1 and FULL2 modes only show up when an XGA signal is used i.e. 1024x768 or 1280x768. The FULL and Dot by Dot show when you are using a non-XGA signal i.e. 800x600.

To bad the Pro Adjust doesn't work with the PC input. I also thought it was odd that Pioneer did not put the PC input on the back, now I need to have a cord sticking out of the front of the media box with the flip cover down. Oh well it will be hidden in a cabinet and it is no where as bad as when Panasonic had the PC input on the front of there plasmas on the last model year.

Also can you answer my question on whether on 4:3 SD content, can the side masks be set to black? From what I can see it can only be grey or some wierd varying brightness mode.

I forgot to tell you congrats on getting your 1130!

Thanks LIY.

According to the manual the FULL1 and FULL2 modes only show up when an XGA signal is used i.e. 1024x768 or 1280x768. The FULL and Dot by Dot show when you are using a non-XGA signal i.e. 800x600.

To bad the Pro Adjust doesn't work with the PC input. I also thought it was odd that Pioneer did not put the PC input on the back, now I need to have a cord sticking out of the front of the media box with the flip cover down. Oh well it will be hidden in a cabinet and it is no where as bad as when Panasonic had the PC input on the front of there plasmas on the last model year.

Also can you answer my question on whether on 4:3 SD content, can the side masks be set to black? From what I can see it can only be grey or some wierd varying brightness mode.

I forgot to tell you congrats on getting your 1130!

There is a side mask control which allows you to choose between "Fixed" and "Auto". Fixed gives you a gray side bar. Auto takes the side portions of the 4:3 program and replicates them in black and white in the side masks. Don't know what they were thinking at Pioneer on this one!

From the burn-in prevention stand-point, I've always heard that gray side masks are better than black. (There had been some discussion in previous threads on this forum (2-3 years ago) that access to the service menu might allow you to change the side mask color.


LIY

I am going to bump this question. Who is using a wall mount for their 1130HD and where did you get it? What brand? I see some at the store for $200+ and some on ebay for half that. What's a good brand to look for? No swivel/tilt, just a flat mount.

To repeat the sentiment of many before me, thank you to all who have provided so much information to neophytes like me. My 5060 arrives on Wednesday, and I would appreciate any input on the pros/cons of CableCARD vs. cable box. I haven't been confronted with the decision before, and I don't know whether this is a no-brainer or whether there are issues to consider. Thanks in advance for your input.

I sometimes notice with my 4360 that on movies or Sat on some grey or darker material there is a shift from darker to lighter in large steps. Last night on a tv show someone was wearing a grey sweater and when he moved the shade of grey would jump in one big step it seemed. I sometimes see it in DVD movies as well and is usually something smaller in the background and not on blacks but greys. I have heard this is something that happens to most Plasma's to a certain degree but is that true? I wouldn't call it a flicker because I have seen the flicker on a Hitachi that I had previous to this TV and it was very annoying. It also did this on the first 4360 I had that had a stuck or dead pixel and was returned. This is not a major problem and certainly is something I can live with as this TV is miles ahead of the Hitachi and Toshiba I tried previous to it. Anyone else see this? Thanks

I am purchasing a 1130HD. I have read much on settings. I just activated my DirecTV HD, using the H20 HD receiver. I want to know how long does "breaking in" the plasma take?
In this forums experience what would be the recommended "break in" settings for DirecTV service? In additional, if there is any other "break in" recommendations?

I sometimes notice with my 4360 that on movies or Sat on some grey or darker material there is a shift from darker to lighter in large steps. Last night on a tv show someone was wearing a grey sweater and when he moved the shade of grey would jump in one big step it seemed. I sometimes see it in DVD movies as well and is usually something smaller in the background and not on blacks but greys. I have heard this is something that happens to most Plasma's to a certain degree but is that true? I wouldn't call it a flicker because I have seen the flicker on a Hitachi that I had previous to this TV and it was very annoying. It also did this on the first 4360 I had that had a stuck or dead pixel and was returned. This is not a major problem and certainly is something I can live with as this TV is miles ahead of the Hitachi and Toshiba I tried previous to it. Anyone else see this? Thanks

Not a flicker, but sort of a little glitch, right? Check my posts... sounds similar to what I've noted.

Thanks lhamp, I checked your posts and this sounds similar to what you have described. It doesn't seem to happen to larger areas but mostly on a small patch in the background or on someones clothing or something. On the Hitachi I had it would happen on very dark/night scenes and on a large area where as this doesn't. If it is happening to other people's 4360/5060's then it must just be some glitch that is normal for the set. I will keep an eye on it. I am up to around 50 hrs and this tv seems to be looking better all the time.

If it is happening to other people's 4360/5060's then it must just be some glitch that is normal for the set.

Not necessarily a glitch. Bear in mind that every (I'm assuming) HDTV does some sort of processing to the picture. In the case of the Pioneer, the most egregious effects seem to occur with the power save settings. If I understand correctly, the power save modes reduce picture brightness to some degree. When a bright scene comes on and the screen compensates by ratcheting it down, this can often cause a noticable and startling difference. I find it absolutely annoying. By turning off the power save modes, and keeping the rest of the picture-adjusting features, such as CTI, DNR and MPEG noise, at the absolute minimum necessary, I get very few annoyingly noticable automatic picture adjustments.

Now if I could just get the $*#&*#@ing CableCARD to work. Brand new set, and I'm already having a service technician come out.....

Not necessarily a glitch. Bear in mind that every (I'm assuming) HDTV does some sort of processing to the picture. In the case of the Pioneer, the most egregious effects seem to occur with the power save settings. If I understand correctly, the power save modes reduce picture brightness to some degree. When a bright scene comes on and the screen compensates by ratcheting it down, this can often cause a noticable and startling difference. I find it absolutely annoying. By turning off the power save modes, and keeping the rest of the picture-adjusting features, such as CTI, DNR and MPEG noise, at the absolute minimum necessary, I get very few annoyingly noticable automatic picture adjustments.

Now if I could just get the $*#&*#@ing CableCARD to work. Brand new set, and I'm already having a service technician come out.....

Whats wrong with your cable card?

cronraptor, that explains exactly what is happening. Good to know that it can be minimized, thanks very much.

Whats wrong with your cable card?

No encrypted channels. I get all the basic analog and digital channels, plus the correct channel listing, but I cannot view anything in the "encrypted tier." I'm getting an effect similar to what was happening with my Panasonic ... when I would watch something in the encrypted tier, I would get 2 seconds of digital audio, then it would shut off. With the Pioneer I'm getting 2 seconds of picture and audio, then both are shut off. The CableCARD either isn't receiving the unlock information, or its not communicating it correctly to the TV.

It isn't the CableCARD. It worked perfectly in the Panasonic. When I put it into the replacement Pioneer, it behaved as above. TWC replaced it with a new CableCARD in case being in the Panasonic had done something to it, but the new card exhibits the same behavior.

Pioneer is sending me a service rep to see if they can figure out what's going on.

The "Pro Adjust" features are not functional with the pc input. Also, I am unaware of the "full 2" setting, as my only options, running 800x600 are "full", "4:3" and "dot by dot" (same as it was on my 5030).


That's why I would suggest connecting your PC via HDMI. You don't quite get native resolution (I believe you have to send a 1280X720 signal), but I think that the extra picture controls are probably worth it.

Also, the HDMI port is in the back, so you don't have a huge plug sticking out of the front of your media receiver.

One problem with HDMI, though, is that the 1130HD will give you a blank screen if you switch to another input and then back to your PC. I was told that this was due to HDCP. I need to experiment a bit more, but I'm thinking that this might not happen if the feed you switch to is not HD.

What are the issues with the Pioneer as a computer monitor? Mine is on back order and one of primary sources I plan to connect to the 1130 is my HTPC running at the native 1280x768 resolution.

The only thing I could see from the owners manual that is different on the PC input is it has RGB color adjustment rather than the normal color/tint. I also believe it has both manual and automatic picture size and position adjustment. Also when running at 1280x768 you need to set the PC mode to "FULL2". The one thing that wasn't clear is whether the "Pro Adjust" features are functional with the PC input.

If there are any issues with using the 1130 with a PC I would really like to know before it is to late. :confused:

I have an 1130, and I connect it to my Mac via a DVI->HDMI cable. I cannot use 1280x768 this way, but 1280x720 looks very good.

I got some motion issues when I tried to use the VGA route. I am not sure what frequency it is using.

I also tested the VGA connection using the test patterns on my iScan HD. The only frequency I could pass the judder test at was one of 70hz or 72hz, I cannot remember which. This is apparently not ideal for some sorts of content.

-Drew

I am receiving a new 1130 tonight. I will be using it with DirectV h20 box and an upscaling DVD(temporary until I get my HD-DVD) using hdmi inputs for both.

Any suggestions for initial settings for TV. The directv input is the one I will use mostly?

OK real novice/newbie question--I just got the 930, and this forum seems to be mainly about the 1130--(Couldn't use it because depth of room in relation to screen size) I used a lot of the 1130 setting from the folks here and they worked beautifully. So my question is besides screen size, is there a diffference in the two Elites?

By the way to the coments here the difference in price in NJ between a PDP and the Elite are ~300 on the 43 and ~700 or so on the 50's

OK I am actually going to make a final decision today on a plasma. I am leaning towards the Pioneer 1130. I haggled the price down to four hundred more that the 5060 can be had locally and seven hundred more that can be had online. I would guess the extra warrenty is worth most of that.

Two questions before I jump.

Someone posted yesterday that the sidebars are grey if you are watching 4:3 signals (which my wife will probably do at times). How annoying is this to any of you?

2nd question, is there any other reason why I shouldn't get the 1130 and or what do those of you that own it NOT like about it?

Hopefully I will be setup for the Superbowl. Now I just need to decide on a DVD player. I hope I don't take as long to do that as I did for this plasma.

Thanks to all of you for the great information.

Chuck

That's why I would suggest connecting your PC via HDMI. You don't quite get native resolution (I believe you have to send a 1280X720 signal), but I think that the extra picture controls are probably worth it.

Also, the HDMI port is in the back, so you don't have a huge plug sticking out of the front of your media receiver.

One problem with HDMI, though, is that the 1130HD will give you a blank screen if you switch to another input and then back to your PC. I was told that this was due to HDCP. I need to experiment a bit more, but I'm thinking that this might not happen if the feed you switch to is not HD.

Are there issues with overscan using a PC with the HDMI input? I tried this on my last plasma and the default overscan cut off practically half of the windows task bar on the bottom. From what I can see in the manual, you can only adjust image position on the HDMI input but will the additional image adjustments on the PC input (auto, manual, clock, phase), adjusts BOTH image position and size?

No encrypted channels. I get all the basic analog and digital channels, plus the correct channel listing, but I cannot view anything in the "encrypted tier." I'm getting an effect similar to what was happening with my Panasonic ... when I would watch something in the encrypted tier, I would get 2 seconds of digital audio, then it would shut off. With the Pioneer I'm getting 2 seconds of picture and audio, then both are shut off. The CableCARD either isn't receiving the unlock information, or its not communicating it correctly to the TV.

It isn't the CableCARD. It worked perfectly in the Panasonic. When I put it into the replacement Pioneer, it behaved as above. TWC replaced it with a new CableCARD in case being in the Panasonic had done something to it, but the new card exhibits the same behavior.

Pioneer is sending me a service rep to see if they can figure out what's going on.

Your problem is not with the cable card or plasma. Your problem is with the headend at TWC. You need to have them place your cable card in slot 1 at the headend. I had the same problem when they installed my cable card last year. Once they change my "slot location" everything worked fine and I can go back and forth between my 5050 and 930 with my cable card.

When you get the 5060 in your house, you'll never know the difference.. Problem is I will always wish I had the 1130..... so I bought one.

Specifically on the 5060 - is it true that the sidebars on SD 4:3 programs is only grey or that superimposed image, with no black option? For example, a digital comcast SD show, like local news that's not HD? Or SD from a cablecard? I need to know, as my wife (and I actually) much prefer the black bars.

Thanks

Specifically on the 5060 - is it true that the sidebars on SD 4:3 programs is only grey or that superimposed image, with no black option? For example, a digital comcast SD show, like local news that's not HD? Or SD from a cablecard? I need to know, as my wife (and I actually) much prefer the black bars.

Thanks

If you are sending the panel a 480i signal, you are only allowed gray or a superimposed image for the sidebars. If you want black you will have to send it a 720p or 1080i signal BUT you run the risk of uneven phosphor burn.

My cable box (SA-8300 )allows you to choose either gray or black sidebars for 480i.

I am purchasing a 1130HD. I have read much on settings. I just activated my DirecTV HD, using the H20 HD receiver. I want to know how long does "breaking in" the plasma take?
In this forums experience what would be the recommended "break in" settings for DirecTV service? In additional, if there is any other "break in" recommendations?

Anyone know breakin settings? length of breakin?

Anyone know breakin settings? length of breakin?

There is a ton on break in at the top of the Plasma thread... probably more on Pioneer break in this thread..

How about settings for a directv H20 HD?

When you get the 5060 in your house, you'll never know the difference.. Problem is I will always wish I had the 1130..... so I bought one.
The 1130 is worth it over the 5060 for the gamma setting alone. :)

In the 1130 manual on page 71 it is stated that "When signals are input from the HDMI terminals, no digital or analog signals are output from the DIGITAL OUT terminal."

Does this mean that when watching a DVD connected through HDMI, I cannot connect the TV to my home theater through the optical digital out???

I want to clarify this before purchasing the product. Please let me know if you have tried this.

So I am kinda a avs noob about to take the 50" plasma plunge.

My choices= pioneer 5061
toshiba 50hp95
panny 50px50u

the toshiba and panny are about the same price. Without flaming- is the pq and panel THAT much better on the pioneer? It costs quite a bit more than the other 2. Plus with 1080p around the corner- I sure dont want to trade sets out in the next 5-6 years.

My cable box (SA-8300 )allows you to choose either gray or black sidebars for 480i.

The Pioneer overides the cable box.

In the 1130 manual on page 71 it is stated that "When signals are input from the HDMI terminals, no digital or analog signals are output from the DIGITAL OUT terminal."

Does this mean that when watching a DVD connected through HDMI, I cannot connect the TV to my home theater through the optical digital out???

I want to clarify this before purchasing the product. Please let me know if you have tried this.

Why not optically connect your DVD player to your receiver for audio?

So I am kinda a avs noob about to take the 50" plasma plunge.

My choices= pioneer 5061
toshiba 50hp95
panny 50px50u

the toshiba and panny are about the same price. Without flaming- is the pq and panel THAT much better on the pioneer? It costs quite a bit more than the other 2. Plus with 1080p around the corner- I sure dont want to trade sets out in the next 5-6 years.

Have you seen one that was properly setup in a store (NOT in vivid mode)? I think your eyes would be able to answer that question.

Have you seen one that was properly setup in a store (NOT in vivid mode)? I think your eyes would be able to answer that question.


only been able to see all 3 at best buy. No idea if they were set up and calibrated correctly. Most likely not. The pioneer was quite sharp, I will say that. But is it 1/3 more $ sharp?

Maybe.

The 1130 is worth it over the 5060 for the gamma setting alone. :)

Hey pstrisik. Good to see you. Did your story have a happy ending? What set did you end up with? Good to see your signature continues to evolve.

Why not optically connect your DVD player to your receiver for audio?

Unfortunately my home theater has only one connection capacity for a digital source. I would like the TV to be that source so that I can get both DTV and DVD audio digitally. :)

Why not optically connect your DVD player to your receiver for audio?

The real issue, isn't it, is that it may be impossible under certain circumstances to get a digital out , along with an HDMI enabled video source?

It was my understanding from previous posts to this thread, that e.g., should you have a Moto 6412 box there is no way to get a digital out to your home theater sound system - as Comcast (or Motorola, who the heck knows?), blocks the digital out from the stb and Pioneer blocks it from the TV.

(Personally, should this prove to be the case after delivery of my new HDMI enabled 6412 on friday [if back in stock at Comcast Maryland], I will attempt to go the cable card route, which as I understand it still allows for a digital out from the 1130. A mess though, going back and forth from the DVR to the CableCard tuner :mad: ) BTW, I have noticed an increase in detail when using Pio's built in tuner, as opposed to the Component out of my current 6412.

A real connundrum, I think.

Any comments appreciated. :confused:

LIY

The real issue, isn't it, is that it may be impossible under certain circumstances to get a digital out , along with an HDMI enabled video source?

It was my understanding from previous posts to this thread, that e.g., should you have a Moto 6412 box there is no way to get a digital out to your home theater sound system - as Comcast (or Motorola, who the heck knows?), blocks the digital out from the stb and Pioneer blocks it from the TV.

(Personally, should this prove to be the case after delivery of my new HDMI enabled 6412 on friday [if back in stock at Comcast Maryland], I will attempt to go the cable card route, which as I understand it still allows for a digital out from the 1130. A mess though, going back and forth from the DVR to the CableCard tuner :mad: ) BTW, I have noticed an increase in detail when using Pio's built in tuner, as opposed to the Component out of my current 6412.

A real connundrum, I think.

Any comments appreciated. :confused:

LIY

If you are only worried about the audio, using the regular SPDIF Digital output form the Moto box to your receiver seems to work for me. Don't know about the digital optical though

OK I am actually going to make a final decision today on a plasma. I am leaning towards the Pioneer 1130. I haggled the price down to four hundred more that the 5060 can be had locally and seven hundred more that can be had online. I would guess the extra warrenty is worth most of that.

Two questions before I jump.

Someone posted yesterday that the sidebars are grey if you are watching 4:3 signals (which my wife will probably do at times). How annoying is this to any of you?

2nd question, is there any other reason why I shouldn't get the 1130 and or what do those of you that own it NOT like about it?

Hopefully I will be setup for the Superbowl. Now I just need to decide on a DVD player. I hope I don't take as long to do that as I did for this plasma.

Thanks to all of you for the great information.

Chuck

watson-

Grab the 1130 & don't look back. I have had mine for a month now & it is fantastic. If you are like most, you will end up watching SD material in the "Cinema" stretch mode & the side bar color will not be an issue. The amount of color tweaking options on the 1130 really enable you to nail a great looking image.

Thanks Saluki. I am going to pick it up on the way home tonight.

Another question for you, and any other 1130 owner, what DVD player do you use and are you happy with it? The player I have now doesn't even have component out so I NEED a new one. Just trying to decide weather to get a lower price unit and wait for HD players to come out or to get a better one. Any advice would be appreciated.

Chuck

If I use a comcast 6412, will that be set to one resolution, regardless of aspect ratio? Would that allow a black bar choice? Or is it program depedent?

If you are sending the panel a 480i signal, you are only allowed gray or a superimposed image for the sidebars. If you want black you will have to send it a 720p or 1080i signal BUT you run the risk of uneven phosphor burn.

Thanks Saluki. I am going to pick it up on the way home tonight.

Another question for you, and any other 1130 owner, what DVD player do you use and are you happy with it? The player I have now doesn't even have component out so I NEED a new one. Just trying to decide weather to get a lower price unit and wait for HD players to come out or to get a better one. Any advice would be appreciated.

Chuck

I have the Sony NS90v, which looks absolutely awesome... and it's cheap... a very nice option while you wait for hd dvd. If you don't care about SACD, you can save the $50 and get the NS70h... an even cheaper band aid.

Hey pstrisik. Good to see you. Did your story have a happy ending? What set did you end up with? Good to see your signature continues to evolve.
Hi Vashti,

I'm happy enough. The Panasonic has a bit less of the judder I had so much difficulty with. Along with the iScan HD+, I've got good SD stretch, better SD quality and better DVD quality than I had with the Pio alone. Of course, using the HD+ with the Pio would have done the same.

One of the minor benefits some have touted with the Pio turned out to be true for me... weight. The heavier Panny is too much for my console. The top is actually sagging slightly and causing the same at the bottom. I bought a wall mount to take care of that, which will be a benefit in the end since I'll have that nice wall mounted look and free up the top of the console for more toys! ;)

I'd love to get a full review up, but I'm not sure I will be able to get to it any time soon. I may settle for a web page with pics and comments.

I'm happy enough. The Panasonic has a bit less of the judder I had so much difficulty with. Along with the iScan HD+, I've got good SD stretch, better SD quality and better DVD quality than I had with the Pio alone. Of course, using the HD+ with the Pio would have done the same.


Hi Peter,
Good to hear from you again.

I've got the 1130 with an iScan HD, which I think is fundamentally the same as the HD+. Does the HD+ have linear stretch only, or does it do the same stretch the Pio does, where the edges are stretched more than the center? The HD has linear only, so I am using the scaler in the Pio for SD, and only using the iScan for my DVD player. I have two dvd players, a Sony ns50 and a Pioneer DVR233. The Pioneer has 480p output. I want to see which of the following looks best:

Pio(480i) -> iScan -> 1130
Pio (480p) -> iScan -> 1130
Sony -> iScan -> 1130
Pio(480i) -> 1130
Pio(408p) -> 1130
Sony -> 1130

Basically, I am curious if the scaler in the newer Pioneer is better or worse than the scaler in the older iScan. But, I am not sure how I am going to make these comparisons in any objective fashion...

Have you done any testing of your assertion that the iScan improves your DVD experience?

It may also be the case that the Scaler works better for you since you can connect it digitally to the panel at native res, and I cannot....

-Drew

Your problem is not with the cable card or plasma. Your problem is with the headend at TWC. You need to have them place your cable card in slot 1 at the headend. I had the same problem when they installed my cable card last year. Once they change my "slot location" everything worked fine and I can go back and forth between my 5050 and 930 with my cable card.

Just had a long talk with my local TWC affiliate's CableCARD expert. You're partly correct. You didn't need your CableCARD in slot 1, you needed your CableCARD's slot and your authorizations' slot in sync. Had your authorizations been for slot 15, they would have needed to put your CableCARD in slot 15.

That said, they apparently no longer use this terminology. My local affiliate (and maybe all of TWC) just switched to a new computer system last week. Although the slot terminology has gone away, the concept behind it is still in place. Your channel authorizations must be properly matched with the equipment in TWC's computer.

There was some bogus information in the new system for my setup, which the rep said has been corrected. I'll find out when I get home whether the changes worked. I wanted to make this post now while the info I got was still fresh in my little pea brain.

Just had a long talk with my local TWC affiliate's CableCARD expert. You're partly correct. You didn't need your CableCARD in slot 1, you needed your CableCARD's slot and your authorizations' slot in sync. Had your authorizations been for slot 15, they would have needed to put your CableCARD in slot 15.

That said, they apparently no longer use this terminology. My local affiliate (and maybe all of TWC) just switched to a new computer system last week. Although the slot terminology has gone away, the concept behind it is still in place. Your channel authorizations must be properly matched with the equipment in TWC's computer.

There was some bogus information in the new system for my setup, which the rep said has been corrected. I'll find out when I get home whether the changes worked. I wanted to make this post now while the info I got was still fresh in my little pea brain.


Cool. I hope things work out.

I will take delivery from TVA Tues-Thurs Next week for my new PDP-5060 and now I am looking for a DVD Player. Looking for insight from those with this panel what they are using and what may work Best...

Not looking to spend $$$ right now, waiting for the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD issue to play out before a major investment in a DVD Player.... ;) ;)

Are there issues with overscan using a PC with the HDMI input? I tried this on my last plasma and the default overscan cut off practically half of the windows task bar on the bottom. From what I can see in the manual, you can only adjust image position on the HDMI input but will the additional image adjustments on the PC input (auto, manual, clock, phase), adjusts BOTH image position and size?

Could someone that has experience using a PC with the Pioneer comment on this? It would be much appreciated? :o

OK I am actually going to make a final decision today on a plasma. I am leaning towards the Pioneer 1130. I haggled the price down to four hundred more that the 5060 can be had locally and seven hundred more that can be had online. I would guess the extra warrenty is worth most of that.

Two questions before I jump.

Someone posted yesterday that the sidebars are grey if you are watching 4:3 signals (which my wife will probably do at times). How annoying is this to any of you?

2nd question, is there any other reason why I shouldn't get the 1130 and or what do those of you that own it NOT like about it?

Hopefully I will be setup for the Superbowl. Now I just need to decide on a DVD player. I hope I don't take as long to do that as I did for this plasma.

Thanks to all of you for the great information.

Chuck

Hi

Just get this Plasma !. Yes it is a bit more $$$
I have had mine for 6 weeks. Flawless so far.

Sidebars ? We don't need no stinking sidebars. Grab your 1130 Remote.
Hit "Size". Sidebars are gone. This unit has an excellent scaler built in.
Way better than the scaler in my STB.

Only small issue is the fans in the "Media Center". They are on all the time.
So at 3:00 in the morning going to the kitchen for water. You can hear the fans as I pass by the system in the living room. But at the same time you can hear my SA 8300HD DVR`s hard disk "chunking" away as well. No big deal.

I have a Denon DVD-3910. Love the HDMI connections on the PIO.
That was one of the main reasons I went for this plasma. The Media box is
so much easier than my old Sony or the Pioneer that was my original choice.
Easy to connect to and just the main cable from the Plasma to deal with.

Still trying different settings. Some have been posted here that are a good start. But tastes are different. With this Plasma. You can make those choices.

bltserv

Hi Peter,
Good to hear from you again.

I've got the 1130 with an iScan HD, which I think is fundamentally the same as the HD+. Does the HD+ have linear stretch only, or does it do the same stretch the Pio does, where the edges are stretched more than the center? The HD has linear only, so I am using the scaler in the Pio for SD, and only using the iScan for my DVD player. I have two dvd players, a Sony ns50 and a Pioneer DVR233. The Pioneer has 480p output. I want to see which of the following looks best:

Pio(480i) -> iScan -> 1130
Pio (480p) -> iScan -> 1130
Sony -> iScan -> 1130
Pio(480i) -> 1130
Pio(408p) -> 1130
Sony -> 1130

Basically, I am curious if the scaler in the newer Pioneer is better or worse than the scaler in the older iScan. But, I am not sure how I am going to make these comparisons in any objective fashion...

Have you done any testing of your assertion that the iScan improves your DVD experience?

It may also be the case that the Scaler works better for you since you can connect it digitally to the panel at native res, and I cannot....

-Drew
Hi Drew,

Funny, I thought the Pio didn't have any non-linear stretch, at least in cinema, which was the mode I used and liked for SD. Anyway, the HD+ still only has linear stretch. The same for DVDO's latest, the VP30, though they say they are going to add non-linear via a firmware update in the future.

I'm not sure you can bypass the scaler in the Pio. Maybe if you use an analog input. I am using analog with the 8UK and it's fine. I have trouble getting sync'd with the digital connection. Come to think of it, the HD only has analog anyway, yes?

I am definitely seeing an improvement in DVD quality. I have a Panasonic S77 going to the iScan in 480i via component. I get better results than using 480p or higher. The S77 even has a Faroudja chip for de-interlacing, but the iScan seems to do better.

I've had difficultly attaining 1:1 mapping. There is a thread in the processors section going on about this now: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=638211

Originally Posted by mhfnet
Are there issues with overscan using a PC with the HDMI input? I tried this on my last plasma and the default overscan cut off practically half of the windows task bar on the bottom. From what I can see in the manual, you can only adjust image position on the HDMI input but will the additional image adjustments on the PC input (auto, manual, clock, phase), adjusts BOTH image position and size?

mhfnet, I currently have my 930 connected to my HTPC via HDMI. Yes, like many TV displays the 930 does have overscan (I would guess that the other Pio displays are no different). For normal TV viewing this usually isn't that big of a deal since broadcasters know this fact and count on a few percent overscan.

However, when connecting the plasma to the PC this can be a pretty big issue as you indicated since stuff near the edge of the display are clipped and falls off the edge of the screen.

Some video cards, like nVidia-based ones provide overscan compensation in the driver software itself. This bascially works by shrinking the active area to fit the size of the screen (sometimes called resolution in a resolution). This is the path I've chosen (if you have an nVidia card, PM me for details if you can't figure out how to use it). There are other options as well, google Powerstrip for more options on that path.

You cannot adjust clock, phase, etc when using HDMI. In fact, you must basically choose between 720p and 1080i when using HDMI. So you can only change the position of the image when using HDMI.

I personally battled back and forth whether to use HDMI @1080i or to use the VGA connection and send the plasma its native resolution. In the end, I like the picture quality beter via HDMI. It could have been the VGA cable I was using, but that's the decision I made.

Hi Drew,

Funny, I thought the Pio didn't have any non-linear stretch, at least in cinema, which was the mode I used and liked for SD. Anyway, the HD+ still only has linear stretch. The same for DVDO's latest, the VP30, though they say they are going to add non-linear via a firmware update in the future.

I'm not sure you can bypass the scaler in the Pio. Maybe if you use an analog input. I am using analog with the 8UK and it's fine. I have trouble getting sync'd with the digital connection. Come to think of it, the HD only has analog anyway, yes?

I am definitely seeing an improvement in DVD quality. I have a Panasonic S77 going to the iScan in 480i via component. I get better results than using 480p or higher. The S77 even has a Faroudja chip for de-interlacing, but the iScan seems to do better.

I've had difficultly attaining 1:1 mapping. There is a thread in the processors section going on about this now: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=638211

The HD does have a DVI output, so I have been using that with a DVI->HDMI cable. Seems to work well. I did get native resolution with the VGA connection, but had motion issues. I could only pass the iScan judder test at 72hz (or was it 70hz...), and this is apparently not optimal for film material. It did look very sharp for my digital slideshows though...

I would definitely try a digital connection to you 8uk, I think you can get native rate with the DVI blade, and there may even be some color depth benefits as well.

Cheers,
Drew

mhfnet, I currently have my 930 connected to my HTPC via HDMI. Yes, like many TV displays the 930 does have overscan (I would guess that the other Pio displays are no different). For normal TV viewing this usually isn't that big of a deal since broadcasters know this fact and count on a few percent overscan.

However, when connecting the plasma to the PC this can be a pretty big issue as you indicated since stuff near the edge of the display are clipped and falls off the edge of the screen.

Some video cards, like nVidia-based ones provide overscan compensation in the driver software itself. This bascially works by shrinking the active area to fit the size of the screen (sometimes called resolution in a resolution). This is the path I've chosen (if you have an nVidia card, PM me for details if you can't figure out how to use it). There are other options as well, google Powerstrip for more options on that path.

You cannot adjust clock, phase, etc when using HDMI. In fact, you must basically choose between 720p and 1080i when using HDMI. So you can only change the position of the image when using HDMI.

I personally battled back and forth whether to use HDMI @1080i or to use the VGA connection and send the plasma its native resolution. In the end, I like the picture quality beter via HDMI. It could have been the VGA cable I was using, but that's the decision I made.

Thanks expo for responding. My 1130 is on back order for the last couple weeks, but I keep getting told any day... Since the 50" Panasonics are in short supply and Pioneer recently dropped there prices, for what I think is a better plasma anyway, getting a Pioneer is also becoming difficult.

The NVIDIA resolution in a resolution sounds very cool. I have an ATI card in my HTPC and it has some image adjustment tuning features but it does so by changing the timings which the Hitachi plasma does not like on the HDMI inputs as it wants a very specific 1280x720 60Hz signal. I might have found a way to do resolution within resolution with powerstrip that would support my ATI card. I am going to try it tonight with the HDMI input on my Hitachi plasma.
http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/printpost.php?postid=568907

One clarification, when using the RGB (PC) input on my Hitachi plasma, it's auto image adjust feature perfectly aligns BOTH size and position automatically. Is this the same with the auto feature on the Pioneer using the RGB input?

I originally bought a panasonic 42PX50U plasma panel. However, its overscan was not symmetrical... that is, the picture was not centered with respect to the panel (shifted down and to the left by about a half an inch). The 50U series panasonics DO NOT allow you to shift the position of the screen at all (not even through the service menu as I painfully found out after several service calls and phone calls to panasonic). It was also very picky with what timings it would accept via HDMI and I was not able to center the image using powerstrip. Some of the other panasonics (500U series) do allow you to shift the position of the screen but only when you connect via VGA. In the end I returned this panel. I eventually pulled the trigger on the 930 for several reasons, but the capability of all the adjustments of the 930 really was one big selling point for me.

I too originally had an ATI card (X700) but I quickly frustrated with its HDTV driver problems. You might have more luck and patience than I, but I have nothing but good things to say about my 6600GT card. This thing worked perfectly out of the box and I had a great picture within minutes of installation.

If you use the VGA connection on the pio, you will not have to worry about overscan at all (so long as you are using a compatible resolution... see the manual for details). It will work as you would expect a typical monitor would work with your computer. But you may have an aspect ratio "problem"... see below

In my case, I have the 930 which has a native resolution of 1024x768. If you do the math you can see that resolution lends itself to rectangular pixels rather than square ones. This means that the aspect ratio is off if you feed the panel its native resolution... this is another reason why I prefered the HDMI connection. You won't have this problem nearly as much as I did because the 1130 pixels are closer to square in shape. Note this also depends on what program you are using with your display and whether its "aware" of the pixel shape (most normal PC programs assume square pixels). I digress....

Hey guys,
I'm sure that these questions have been answered before, but I haven't had the time to read through 78 pages of this thread. Anyways, any help is much appreciated. After months of going back and forth on different TVs and doing mounds of research, we have decided that we are going to go with the PDP-4360HD. The multiple HDMI inputs, media receiver, great PQ, and its solid reviews did it for us. With that said, we plan on ordering the TV from Satellite and Sound, their price is very good, they have free shipping, a cheaper extended warranty than other dealers, and I have heard great things about them. I do have a couple of questions:
- Has anyone personally dealt with Satellite and Sound, and what were your experiences like?
- They offer a 4-yr extended warranty at a reasonable price, is it worth it? Our plasma will be under warranty for 5 years, which seems like a great deal, but Satellite and Sound seems like a smaller scale dealer - can we even guarentee that they will be around in 5 years?
- We want to mount the TV on the wall, for those of you who have mounted this TV (or others), which wall mounts fit well and would you reccommend to get. We want either a flat or tilt mount, and we don't want a cheapo, badly made one because we don't want our expensive investment to come crashing to the ground.
- Is it worth it to pay for expensive cables (HDMI and analog), or is it not that big a deal?
- Is it worth it to pay for an expensive power conditioner/surge protector?

Thanks guys!

Is anyone using SAVE1 or SAVE2 under the Energy Save menu? I really don't notice much difference between SAVE1 and STANDARD and was wondering if anyone uses the SAVE options and why?

Will I increase the life span of my plasma if I keep this setting to SAVE1?

If you are only worried about the audio, using the regular SPDIF Digital output form the Moto box to your receiver seems to work for me. Don't know about the digital optical though

Grumb: Are you using Comcast and are you using HDMI? SPDIF is my preferred digital out (always); but I had understood that this had been blocked by Comcast on the 6412 (when HDMI is in use)? If this is not the case, then that's great!

Please clarify.

Thank you.

LIY

watson-

Grab the 1130 & don't look back. I have had mine for a month now & it is fantastic. If you are like most, you will end up watching SD material in the "Cinema" stretch mode & the side bar color will not be an issue. The amount of color tweaking options on the 1130 really enable you to nail a great looking image.

This is something I haven't been able to figure out. I have a SA 8300HD stb and an 1130. I can't find the combination of settings that lets me use cinema mode with SD. If I have the box stretch the picture, then cinema mode loses part of the stretched picture and increases the zoom, if I have the box set for 4:3, then cinema mode still shows the sidebars. Am I missing something?

This is something I haven't been able to figure out. I have a SA 8300HD stb and an 1130. I can't find the combination of settings that lets me use cinema mode with SD. If I have the box stretch the picture, then cinema mode loses part of the stretched picture and increases the zoom, if I have the box set for 4:3, then cinema mode still shows the sidebars. Am I missing something?

You should not allow the SA 8300 to stretch any material. You also need to setup the 8300 for a 16:9 TV. Contact your cable co for instructions on how to accomplish this.

This is something I haven't been able to figure out. I have a SA 8300HD stb and an 1130. I can't find the combination of settings that lets me use cinema mode with SD. If I have the box stretch the picture, then cinema mode loses part of the stretched picture and increases the zoom, if I have the box set for 4:3, then cinema mode still shows the sidebars. Am I missing something?

I believe your system is set up correctly... it is normal to lose some of the picture in Cinema mode.

Cool. I hope things {with the CableCARD} work out.

So far so good. I have my encrypted tier channels, AND, unlike the Panasonic I took back, I'm getting digital out on Discovery HD.

They had the wrong information in the computer despite the field tech and myself reading it to them about a dozen times on the phone over the past week. I work in computers, so I know how huge a disruption switching to a new system can be, both before and after, so I'll give them a pass this time.....

I am sure this is a pretty basic question, but I cant find it on the manual. I have the DVD connected via HDMI, when i click display info in give me a number 620. Is that the max resolution that the DVD is sending?

Hey guys,
- Has anyone personally dealt with Satellite and Sound, and what were your experiences like?
- They offer a 4-yr extended warranty at a reasonable price, is it worth it? Our plasma will be under warranty for 5 years, which seems like a great deal, but Satellite and Sound seems like a smaller scale dealer - can we even guarentee that they will be around in 5 years?


I just got my 4360 in the last month. Got it from TVAuthority, who'd I'd recommend wholeheartedly. I don't know anything about Satellite and Sound.

- We want to mount the TV on the wall, for those of you who have mounted this TV (or others), which wall mounts fit well and would you reccommend to get. We want either a flat or tilt mount, and we don't want a cheapo, badly made one because we don't want our expensive investment to come crashing to the ground.

I used a Peerless SF660, which is a flat mount. I just got it up yesterday and everything seems fine. I had originally bought a Sanus that has an extendable arm, but upon finding out that I have metal studs in the wall, switched to this mount. (I have a thread about this in the General Home Theater forum. Basically, Peerless is the only manufacturer I found whose mount includes instructions for mounting into metal studs. Though I did have to buy a $10 accessory kit because standard bolts won't work.)

Anyway, what I have works great and looks great. The back of the 4360 is so uncomplicated that virtually any mount will work with it. Having only the 3 connections (video, control, and power) makes choosing a mount simple.


- Is it worth it to pay for expensive cables (HDMI and analog), or is it not that big a deal?
- Is it worth it to pay for an expensive power conditioner/surge protector?

For cables, I think it depends on what you are connecting to it. I use HDMI for the DVD player (the Oppo), but component for the HD cable. Apparently people have had lots of trouble getting the SA 8300 cable box working with HDMI, so I'm just using component. It looks fantastic. I'm not sure how much better it could look with HDMI.

You definately want a surge protector. If you install the mount correctly, there's no risk of it falling, but if you don't have a decent surge protector, that's a real way for the TV to be killed.

[QUOTE=PAnoah6791]Hey guys,
Has anyone personally dealt with Satellite and Sound, and what were your experiences like?

I dealt with Doug at Satellite and Sound, he was great. Straightforward, efficient. Got a very good price with little dickering. Didn't want to use the WA-based people like TV Authority or Visual Apex as I wanted to avoid state tax, but they have excellent reputations too. Remember kids, always check Resellerratings for big net purchases.

If you have a tricky delivery situation like I did, make sure to work closely with the interstate carrier (Watkins in my case) for the hand-off to a local carrier that actually delivers items like plasmas. Confusion with this delayed my delivery by two days or so. No biggie.

They offer a 4-yr extended warranty at a reasonable price, is it worth it? Our plasma will be under warranty for 5 years, which seems like a great deal, but Satellite and Sound seems like a smaller scale dealer - can we even guarentee that they will be around in 5 years?

I didn't get a warrantee as my experience is that electronics other than computers will last indefinitely *if* they work properly out of the box. No problems with the Pio. Although I did see that that plasmas, as a still-emerging technology, may be a good item for the cheese warranty.

Is it worth it to pay for expensive cables (HDMI and analog), or is it not that big a deal?

Monoprice cables are fine for anything digital.

Is it worth it to pay for an expensive power conditioner/surge protector?

I got a Monster 3500 for cheap as we have frequent outages here and this is an older house with suspect wiring. The Monster indicated the right outlet to use--nice.

Just wanted to send along thanks to everyone on this thread and others that helped educate, enlighten and impoverish me with my recent 4360 purchase. D-Nice, Brahmin and all the other hitters, heavy and not so, really helped me out out in a horribly confusing HD environment. See, this is why Apple is going gang-busters with the iPod. People like me want easy, not hard, when it comes to fun time. You guys made it easier.

Still breaking her in, but she looks great already. Love the media box--we're getting married in April.

Thanks again!

The Pioneer overides the cable box.

So, If I understand correctly - probably don't - I can get black sidebars if I send a 720p or 1080i signal to the set, so for black bars, do I:

1 - Get a comcast HD STB, and set it to 1080i to allow a black bar choice on any show, not just HD ones?

2 - And for DVD's, I have to have some kind of upconverted player to get black bars?

Serious WAF issue to have unstretched 4:3 with black bars (after break-in of course). Well, to be fair, WAF and "Me AF"...

The HD does have a DVI output, so I have been using that with a DVI->HDMI cable. Seems to work well. I did get native resolution with the VGA connection, but had motion issues. I could only pass the iScan judder test at 72hz (or was it 70hz...), and this is apparently not optimal for film material. It did look very sharp for my digital slideshows though...

I would definitely try a digital connection to you 8uk, I think you can get native rate with the DVI blade, and there may even be some color depth benefits as well.

Cheers,
Drew
You just jogged my memory. The HD+ added HDCP to the HD.

I've found the Panasonic DVI blade to be too noisy in dark areas and can't get the HD+ to sync to it anyway. There are many complaints about this with the HD+ and VP30 with different displays.

Regarding frame rate, I think 72hz should be correct for film material. Film is at 24fps. 72 is a multiple of 24. Same as Pio's "advanced" cinema mode, which is 3:3 pulldown. Video is 30fps and works well with 60hz. 3:2 pull down is the attempt to make 24fps work with 60hz. (experts may correct me - a little knowledge is dangerous!).

If anyone is interested in purchasing the Elite Pro-1130HD at a great price, visit[EDIT] and look for the [EDIT] link. Not a bad price at all. They also have a great price on the Elite DV-79AVi DVD player.

EDIT>>

mod note: no retail or links, please. Thanks

I just popped in the thread to ask whether or not the price at the above link was a good deal for the 1130HD or not. Feel free to PM me with details. Thanks!

You just jogged my memory. The HD+ added HDCP to the HD.

I've found the Panasonic DVI blade to be too noisy in dark areas and can't get the HD+ to sync to it anyway. There are many complaints about this with the HD+ and VP30 with different displays.

Regarding frame rate, I think 72hz should be correct for film material. Film is at 24fps. 72 is a multiple of 24. Same as Pio's "advanced" cinema mode, which is 3:3 pulldown. Video is 30fps and works well with 60hz. 3:2 pull down is the attempt to make 24fps work with 60hz. (experts may correct me - a little knowledge is dangerous!).

I just looked it up. It will sync at 70hz, not 72hz. It is also supposed to sync at 56hz and 60hz, but I have been unable to pass the judder test at these frequencies.

Sorry to hear about you issues with the DVI blade.

-Drew

PAnoah6791,

I also dealt with Doug at Satellite and Sound. Excellent price, communication, and delivery.

Jeff

I just popped in the thread to ask whether or not the price at the above link was a good deal for the 1130HD or not. Feel free to PM me with details. Thanks!

Yes, it is.

hey, just wanted to thank everyone for their help with advice on tv's - as above, my new 5060 arrives tomorrow!!. just in time for the Super Bowl :D now its time to start combing back thru the thread to find the break-in settings - unless, someone can recall about which page of the thread its on, heh heh.

thanks again for all the advice, even though i have been primarily a lurker.

Yes, it is.

But is it a "OMG previously unheard of price" kinda deal? :D

Moderator

Please end the where to buy/deal discussion.

Thanks all

If anyone is interested in purchasing the Elite Pro-1130HD at a great price, visit and look for the [EDIT] link. Not a bad price at all. They also have a great price on the Elite DV-79AVi DVD player.


Pioneer allows no internet sales on Elites and you can pretty much kiss the nice Elite 2 year warranty good bye if you buy one over the internet.

Is anyone using SAVE1 or SAVE2 under the Energy Save menu? I really don't notice much difference between SAVE1 and STANDARD and was wondering if anyone uses the SAVE options and why?

Will I increase the life span of my plasma if I keep this setting to SAVE1?

Anyone have insight on this issue?

Anyone have insight on this issue?

Both are power save modes, so yes your plasma "theoretically" will last longer as the phosphors will not burn as bright.

I personally use save2 as the panel is too bright for me in standard.

Has anyone adjusted the H and V position...on a Comcast 6412? I noticed mine had to be adjusted to -8 and +9. I seem to remember the 6412 has an overscan adjustment in it...does this ring a bell to anyone?
ps. It's connected via component. I'm debating on the v.3 hdmi enabled 6412

if i want to hook my 4360 to the pc, what's the best way? I have dual DVI outputs on my video card. does the 4360 accept DVI?

No the 4360 does not have a DVI connection, but it does have two HDMI inputs. You can get a DVI to HDMI cable, that's what I use on my 930.

Other alternatives include using an analog VGA connection, or component inputs if your video card has a dongle with that capability.

I tested both the VGA connection and HDMI and preferred HDMI.

I'm very happy to say that my 5060 arrived today. I've spent a little time reading through the various hook-up options, and I'm hoping for some help from some of you experts. I've got a Comcast HD/DVR box and a Pioneer/TiVo DVD Burner. The upside to TiVo is it's program guide interface (which I can quickly burn to DVD), the downside is its lack of HD recording option. I will obviously be trying to watch as much HD programming as possible, but through line splitting or otherwise, would like to have the Pioneer/TiVo DVD Burner hooked up to the media box through the component video options. Does anybody else have this type of equipment configuration, and would you be willing to share your insight as to how to get the most out of everything? Any help would be much appreciated.

When watching HD programming on my new PDP 4360, I see macroblocking on scenes with rapid movement. Since I have not heard of anyone else experiencing macroblocking with this display, I feel it is a source issue. Are there any settings on this plasma that I can use to minimize this or something I can complain to my cable company to fix or perhaps, is it an issue with the broadcasters? I am currently using a Motorola 6412 connected to my plasma via hdmi. I have also tried component to see if that would make a difference however no luck.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Sorry, I'm new to this all so my questions may be dumb.

Current settings:
User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: 2
Color: -12
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2
Pure Cinema: ADV
Color Temp: Mid
CTI: Off
DNR: Mid
MPEG NR: Low
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When watching HD programming on my new PDP 4360, I see macroblocking on scenes with rapid movement. Since I have not heard of anyone else experiencing macroblocking with this display, I feel it is a source issue. Are there any settings on this plasma that I can use to minimize this or something I can complain to my cable company to fix or perhaps, is it an issue with the broadcasters? I am currently using a Motorola 6412 connected to my plasma via hdmi. I have also tried component to see if that would make a difference however no luck.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Sorry, I'm new to this all so my questions may be dumb.

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Do you see it when watching DVD's? Also... do you see it on all networks? HD? SD?

The only time I've seen it is on TNT HD.... but I'm unhappy with the quality of much of the material I see there... I seems they show a lot of bad upconverts.

Yeah, I pretty much avoid TNT HD

I have not seen it on SD material to date however it may be just more noticeable to my eyes watching the clearer HD feed.

Ive only watched one DVD for about ten minutes so far on my old, old Toshiba DVD in 480i. I'll throw in a couple more tonight to see if I can notice any macroblocking.

Cheers.

D-Nice has break-in settings on page 68. Good luck.


Dale

Media Receiver fans stay on even in standby. Anyway to make this go away? This is a 4360HD.

Will disabling the TV Guide help as it won't need to be downloading information overnight? I need this thing to be quieter, open cabinet in bedroom. I need better sleep, too loud. :mad:

I am going to purchase a Pioneer. I am going to get either a new 50" 5060 or a new 50" Elite. I can now get the Elite for about $600 more than the 5060. I am new at this and have not read all posts related to the 2 units, but can anyone please provide specifics that will help justify the additional dollars for the Elite. What PQ issues, features, options and hardware items does the Elite have over the 5060? Is it worth the extra bucks?

Saba

Grumb: Are you using Comcast and are you using HDMI? SPDIF is my preferred digital out (always); but I had understood that this had been blocked by Comcast on the 6412 (when HDMI is in use)? If this is not the case, then that's great!

Please clarify.

Thank you.

LIY

Finally able to coax an HDMI Moto 6412 out of Comcast. Pleased to report that the HDMI issues which I raised above prove not be true with the latest firmware update to the 6412 (SW Ver 71.44-1203 Firmware 12.22).

There is no optical audio out, the the SPDIF Coax Audio works fine - and 5.1 sound is obtainable from both live tv and the dvr.

Regrettably, however, I now note that the box seems to be spontaneously resetting itself (a known bug, I think, and sign of a defective 6412 - will probably ask for a new one when Comcast MD gets them back in).

CableCard to be installed this Sunday.

Btw, I see little difference between the Component and HDMI connections - perhaps slightly sharper HDMI, but not by a great amount.

LIY

Finally able to coax an HDMI Moto 6412 out of Comcast. Pleased to report that the HDMI issues which I raised above prove not be true with the latest firmware update to the 6412 (SW Ver 71.44-1203 Firmware 12.22).

There is no optical audio out, the the SPDIF Coax Audio works fine - and 5.1 sound is obtainable from both live tv and the dvr.

Regrettably, however, I now note that the box seems to be spontaneously resetting itself (a known bug, I think, and sign of a defective 6412 - will probably ask for a new one when Comcast MD gets them back in).

CableCard to be installed this Sunday.

Btw, I see little difference between the Component and HDMI connections - perhaps slightly sharper HDMI, but not by a great amount.

LIY

Interesting, glad I was correct... I have the same s/w version but I have firmware12.20 and I am sure I am getting 5.1 out of the HDMI and SPDIF..Maybe your cable company does restrict, but I don't think they all do

I was all set to buy a 5060HD. The call came in to finalize my preorder and take delivery. I had one problem. I had purchased an "open box" 40 inch Samsung LN-R408D LCD to hold me over. It was supposed to be used in my home until the 5060HD came and then it would go to my business (movie theater) lobby to serve as a media display. I set it up for a quick test and was totally surprised by the image. I set the brightness detection to adjust to room brightness and set-up a custom profile for a stunning image. The response on this display is 12ms and it shows minimal trailing. I turned off all the lights and sat through the challenging Cold Play concert DVD with all of its fast editing and fast motion. I was riveted. My problem is that though this display is still going to my lobby, I know that Samsung has a 46 inch version (LN-R469D) that has a more attractive rectangle black bezel, 8ms response time, HDMI, great image controls and at a 5060HD price point. I was getting all confused again after finally committing to the 5060. So I went to my local BB and spent (too much) time comparing the 4360 and the Samsung 40" LN-R408D LCD with 720p sourced material. To be honest I wanted the Samsung LCD image inside the Pioneer bezel/speaker packaging. As an interactive media designer I like sharpness and vivid detail. In fact I think this is the benchmark for judging flat screens. I am very aware of over sharpening and steroid contrast settings. The Pioneer is the only Plasma that reaches my eye as naturally sharp and detailed. Quality LCD's to my eye can excel in this area with proper controls. With an 8ms response time, attractive styling and advanced brightness control, I am having LCD envy. Yes, it is 4 inches smaller than the 5060 and it is not my "holy grail" Pioneer plasma, but no burn in issues and a surprisingly sharp engaging image....

Truth be told, I WANT the Pioneer 5060HD because I love its bezel/speakers and its image vis-à-vis other plasmas, but I am now on a Samsung 46 inch LCD waiting list.

Please, someone talk me out of this LCD and show me the error of my ways. Please don’t base it on past LCD experience. We all know about the short comings of these models, but the new LCD’s with fast response times and advanced brightness, sharpness, contrast controls are making me think twice about plasma as an entertainment investment.

Thank you!

Tim

You have Comcast and got the 12.22 firmware?


Finally able to coax an HDMI Moto 6412 out of Comcast. Pleased to report that the HDMI issues which I raised above prove not be true with the latest firmware update to the 6412 (SW Ver 71.44-1203 Firmware 12.22).

There is no optical audio out, the the SPDIF Coax Audio works fine - and 5.1 sound is obtainable from both live tv and the dvr.

Regrettably, however, I now note that the box seems to be spontaneously resetting itself (a known bug, I think, and sign of a defective 6412 - will probably ask for a new one when Comcast MD gets them back in).

CableCard to be installed this Sunday.

Btw, I see little difference between the Component and HDMI connections - perhaps slightly sharper HDMI, but not by a great amount.

LIY

We pulled the trigger on the 4360HD from satellite and sound today, should be here sometime next week :) This is the culmination of a long and sometimes painful research process, so we're very happy to have gotten it done and gotten a product we are happy with :p Just wanted to thank everyone around here for your help - you guys have been great, although I do have 2 more questions ;)

First, we have a 24-hour window to report concealed shipping damages, is their anything in particular we should look for that an unexperienced person might not catch (so not broken glass or a big dent, but maybe smaller things or dead/stuck pixels, etc.)

Secondly, and I realize this is a total newbie question, but... what is the deal with the whole break-in period. What should we avoid doing, and are their special settings we should use during that time? We are planning to get the AVIA HT calibration disk, rather than spend more money on professional calibration, but during the break-in period should we do something different. For example, should we make sure to avoid watching 4:3 sources since there will be black bars on the sides?

Thanks guys :)

I was all set to buy a 5060HD. The call came in to finalize my preorder and take delivery. I had one problem. I had purchased an "open box" 40 inch Samsung LN-R408D LCD to hold me over. It was supposed to be used in my home until the 5060HD came and then it would go to my business (movie theater) lobby to serve as a media display. I set it up for a quick test and was totally surprised by the image. I set the brightness detection to adjust to room brightness and set-up a custom profile for a stunning image. The response on this display is 12ms and it shows minimal trailing. I turned off all the lights and sat through the challenging Cold Play concert DVD with all of its fast editing and fast motion. I was riveted. My problem is that though this display is still going to my lobby, I know that Samsung has a 46 inch version (LN-R469D) that has a more attractive rectangle black bezel, 8ms response time, HDMI, great image controls and at a 5060HD price point. I was getting all confused again after finally committing to the 5060. So I went to my local BB and spent (too much) time comparing the 4360 and the Samsung 40" LN-R408D LCD with 720p sourced material. To be honest I wanted the Samsung LCD image inside the Pioneer bezel/speaker packaging. As an interactive media designer I like sharpness and vivid detail. In fact I think this is the benchmark for judging flat screens. I am very aware of over sharpening and steroid contrast settings. The Pioneer is the only Plasma that reaches my eye as naturally sharp and detailed. Quality LCD's to my eye can excel in this area with proper controls. With an 8ms response time, attractive styling and advanced brightness control, I am having LCD envy. Yes, it is 4 inches smaller than the 5060 and it is not my "holy grail" Pioneer plasma, but no burn in issues and a surprisingly sharp engaging image....

Truth be told, I WANT the Pioneer 5060HD because I love its bezel/speakers and its image vis-à-vis other plasmas, but I am now on a Samsung 46 inch LCD waiting list.

Please, someone talk me out of this LCD and show me the error of my ways. Please don’t base it on past LCD experience. We all know about the short comings of these models, but the new LCD’s with fast response times and advanced brightness, sharpness, contrast controls are making me think twice about plasma as an entertainment investment.

Thank you!

Tim

One word: DNie.

Please, someone talk me out of this LCD and show me the error of my ways. Please don’t base it on past LCD experience. We all know about the short comings of these models, but the new LCD’s with fast response times and advanced brightness, sharpness, contrast controls are making me think twice about plasma as an entertainment investment.

Thank you!

Tim

I don't know much about the Samsung LCD's but this pro reviewer does. He has also reviewed the Pioneer 1130 and thinks it has one of the best PQ out there.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=1082&page_number=1

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=1218&page_number=2

I guess you need to let your eyes decide but it sometimes difficult to make that judgement unless they are side by side. Also if this is your first large flat panel display, they all look nice initially and it is not until you have lived with one for a while that you really find out it's pros and cons. Unfortunately people have to make decisions based on initial impressions, that why it is nice to have a full 30 day return guaranty or a trustworthy professional review to backup your decision.

FYI, I have an 1130 on order to replace an Hitachi 55HDT51 that is in the process of being return. I initially thought the Hitachi was great until I saw all the banding and poor black level level in a real home enviroment. A lot of people told me that was normal for a plasma to have this, which maybe true in general, until I saw the Pioneer. There a few features I wish it had, but from a PQ standpoint, it is the best flat panel display out there. You won't regret buying the Pioneer.

Why not just turn DNie OFF?

I finally pulled the trigger. After researching for a year(mainly on this forum), I bought the 4360. It was delivered yesterday and I love it. Before it is even turned on, I love the looks of it. The picture is gorgeous. Just wanted to thank everyone on this forum. Its funny, but the 4350 was my first pick when I started looking but I had a hard time justifying the higher price than the more budget panels. So, a year of research and the internal arguing and I ended up with the one I wanted all along(newer model anyways). :)

You have Comcast and got the 12.22 firmware?

Confirmed Firmware version again - it is 12.22.

LIY

Recapping the DCT-6412 v.3
With the new firmware, using HDMI, there is no optical out but you can get DD5.1 via digital coax.?
I've got v.1 with the DVI and was going to upgrade to the v.3 but not if I can't get DD5.1 (to the receiver) with HDMI (to the tv).

Why not just turn DNie OFF?
Last I heard, DNie can't be turned off in the current model Samsungs :(

Please, someone talk me out of this LCD and show me the error of my ways. Please don’t base it on past LCD experience. We all know about the short comings of these models, but the new LCD’s with fast response times and advanced brightness, sharpness, contrast controls are making me think twice about plasma as an entertainment investment.

Tim

I own a 930 and a sony bravia/32, which is considered one of the best lcd's. The 930 is THE set in the house... the Sony is relegated to the kitchen. That should say it all.

Don't get me wrong... the Sony is a terrific panel... but in my humble opinion, the 930 blows it away... and I'm sure I'd feel the same comparing it to any LCD.

Go with the Pioneer and don't look back.

LCD's are nice but compared to plasma, I thought they looked soft. The blacks are horrible. The viewing angles are tough. In a few years, I'm sure LCD's will rival Plasma, but not now they don't. I have a Sony lcd in the bedroom. It looks good, but when compared to the Pioneer...well, there is no comparison.

I would like to know which and what type of DVD player you are using with your Pio 5060. It appears there are many theories on what is best. Some of them:

Better up-converting players like the Oppo, will give the best picture through HDMI/DVI.

The best picture is by passing 480i through an HDMI cable (to keep the signal digital) and let the 5060 (which has a better scaler than almost any DVD player) do all the converting and scaling. LG 511 owners out there?

A good quality Progressive scan DVD player will do just as good a job as an upconverting player, and that the component vs. HDMI difference is all hype.

Let the DVD player pass 480i over component and let the 5060 handle the deinterlacing.

Any and all hands on experience appreciated. Anyone actually experiment?

I would like to know which and what type of DVD player you are using with your Pio 5060. It appears there are many theories on what is best. Some of them:

Better up-converting players like the Oppo, will give the best picture through HDMI/DVI.

The best picture is by passing 480i through an HDMI cable (to keep the signal digital) and let the 5060 (which has a better scaler than almost any DVD player) do all the converting and scaling. LG 511 owners out there?

A good quality Progressive scan DVD player will do just as good a job as an upconverting player, and that the component vs. HDMI difference is all hype.

Let the DVD player pass 480i over component and let the 5060 handle the deinterlacing.

Any and all hands on experience appreciated. Anyone actually experiment?
From my reading, I've assertained that 480i through HDMI is the way to go...but that's purely on what I've read. There are only a handful of players that will do this.

I would like to know which and what type of DVD player you are using with your Pio 5060. It appears there are many theories on what is best. Some of them:

Better up-converting players like the Oppo, will give the best picture through HDMI/DVI.

The best picture is by passing 480i through an HDMI cable (to keep the signal digital) and let the 5060 (which has a better scaler than almost any DVD player) do all the converting and scaling. LG 511 owners out there?

A good quality Progressive scan DVD player will do just as good a job as an upconverting player, and that the component vs. HDMI difference is all hype.

Let the DVD player pass 480i over component and let the 5060 handle the deinterlacing.

Any and all hands on experience appreciated. Anyone actually experiment?


I'm definitely no expert, but we plan on using a Pioneer DV79Avi with our 1130, and pass 480i via HDMI. From my extensive lurking in this and other threads, I'm convinced that this is our best route for DVDs.

Media Receiver fans stay on even in standby. Anyway to make this go away? This is a 4360HD.

Will disabling the TV Guide help as it won't need to be downloading information overnight? I need this thing to be quieter, open cabinet in bedroom. I need better sleep, too loud. :mad:

:cool: Anybody? Media Receiver, loud in standby, anyway to turn it off safely(without overheating the unit)

Hi Folks,
I have an interesting data point. I am using an iScan HD with my 1130, using a DVI->HDMI connection at 720p. With this, DVD's look good, and the built in iScan judder test passes flawlessly.

This morning, I once again tried using the VGA connection at native resolution. This time I used the 72hz lock setting. Once again, the iScan judder test failed, there was a single break in the scrolling vertical bar. But, the DVD looked better, smoother. I particularly noticed this in the credits, which scrolled more smoothly.

I have read that some portion of the panel works at 72hz, and certainly 72hz is an even multiple of 24fps, so it makes sense that it looks better, but, why does the judder test not reflect this?

-Drew

I would like to know which and what type of DVD player you are using with your Pio 5060. It appears there are many theories on what is best. Some of them:

Better up-converting players like the Oppo, will give the best picture through HDMI/DVI.

The best picture is by passing 480i through an HDMI cable (to keep the signal digital) and let the 5060 (which has a better scaler than almost any DVD player) do all the converting and scaling. LG 511 owners out there?

A good quality Progressive scan DVD player will do just as good a job as an upconverting player, and that the component vs. HDMI difference is all hype.

Let the DVD player pass 480i over component and let the 5060 handle the deinterlacing.

Any and all hands on experience appreciated. Anyone actually experiment?

Since it is difficult to find a high quality and reasonable cost (< $300) DVD player that outputs 480i via HDMI my thought is to buy a excellent player like the Panasonic DVDS77 ($250 list), which IMO is comparable in PQ to the high end Denon 3910, and output 480p via HDMI, letting the player do the de-interlacing and the Pioneer plasma do the scaling. I think this is an good compromise as the de-interlacing on this player is excellent. Also since the player has very good scaling, you can also try 720p or 1080i via HDMI, letting the player do most of the work, and choose what ever looks best. Both of these approaches will pass the HQV benchmark tests with flying colors, however I suspect using 480p is the best as having the Pioneer do the scaling avoids the scaling being done twice, once up to 720P by the player and then again to 768p by the plasma, but I think this is splitting hairs in terms of the resultant PQ.

Here is a link to a review in S&V magazine on the DVDS77. The reviewer sums it up as saying, "it delivered some of the best progressive-scan video seen at any price, and it’s a fine music player to boot."

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?article_id=870&section_id=3&page_number=4

You should not allow the SA 8300 to stretch any material. You also need to setup the 8300 for a 16:9 TV. Contact your cable co for instructions on how to accomplish this.

The box is set up for 16:9, so the only choices I get for 4:3 on the box are stretch, zoom and letterbox. If I do anything but stretch, I still get sidebars on the 1130 no matter which mode I use on the tv. So if I stretch, I can have the 1130 use "full" mode, or I can have the box stretch it, then use "cinema", which loses a bit on the edges but may (I can't tell if it's in my head) make the images at the center of the screen look a little less stretched.

I guess it's not the end of the world, but I would prefer to let the 1130 do everything and not have the box do much. Today I hit 100 hours, so I can be a little looser about having some sidebars.

I would like to know which and what type of DVD player you are using with your Pio 5060. It appears there are many theories on what is best. Some of them:



After having the same questions as you and doing the same research I purchased the Pio 79avi the other week to connect to my 1130. I'm very happy.

:cool: Anybody? Media Receiver, loud in standby, anyway to turn it off safely(without overheating the unit)
I don't notice the fan itself, but I did notice a hum that derived from the fan running. I put some dynamat on the box and it's quiet now. As far as the fan itself goes, there are settings in the service menu to change the fan speed. I wouldn't touch it though. So no, there doesn't seem to be anything other than trying to isolate the noise around the fan with some type of acoustic treatment.

I own a 930 and a sony bravia/32, which is considered one of the best lcd's. The 930 is THE set in the house... the Sony is relegated to the kitchen. That should say it all.

Don't get me wrong... the Sony is a terrific panel... but in my humble opinion, the 930 blows it away... and I'm sure I'd feel the same comparing it to any LCD.

Go with the Pioneer and don't look back.


The Bravia's are far from the best LCD available. In the Sony line up it would be the XBR's. IMHO the Bravia's are quite poor and a 930 should blow it away. They display all that is problematic with LCD’s of the past. The newer Samsungs are a different story. The response times are down to 8ms and there are loads of controls. Put an LN-R469D next to the 1130 for a proper challenge. Has anyone done this? I have viewed the 4360 and the LN409D side by side. It was not such a clear decision.

I am just curious, for those that have seen these two side by side, what is it that you specifically liked about one over the other? It's odd, I want the 46" LCD for its razor sharp image and carefree use, but feel I am "supposed" to buy the Pioneer.

I am not new to theater, my nonprofit owns the last single screen theater in Westchester County, New York and I am the director. Film, image and projection is a daily business for me. I often preview films on plasma. I also own an interactive media company. We create kiosks, websites, presentations, etc. I stare at screens all day and have a strong prejudice against LCD's for detailed design.

Having said that, when I set out to convert from projection to flat screen in my home theater I thought the decision was easy. I didn't hesitate to get on the TV Authority 5060HD wait list. Then I took home the LCD and was surprised. Maybe you are right and I should just get the Pioneer and "not look back".

I don't notice the fan itself, but I did notice a hum that derived from the fan running. I put some dynamat on the box and it's quiet now. As far as the fan itself goes, there are settings in the service menu to change the fan speed. I wouldn't touch it though. So no, there doesn't seem to be anything other than trying to isolate the noise around the fan with some type of acoustic treatment.If you change the fan speed (or turn it off altogether), it resets to the original setting when you exit the service menu. The Dynamat is a good idea, though.

How can I find out how many hours I have on my 1130? Thanks.

i just got my 4360, how i hook my computer to it, all i have now is rgb wires, and i look behind the media box, the onlything i see that looks like rgb says service only under it, is this where i plug it into?

and what's the best way to display video to the tv with the computer?

Just got a 4360 the other day and since then been trying to access TUNER SETUP but keep
getting message " Current setting do not allow selection and adjustment ".
I have digital cable box connected to Input 1(av cable),satelite receiver connected to
Input 2 ( S-video cable ) and DVD player connected to Input 3 by Commponent video cable.Please guys let me know what am I doing wrong ?
Media box is pretty noisy to.Is there any way to make it not so loud ?
Thank you

i just got my 4360, how i hook my computer to it, all i have now is rgb wires, and i look behind the media box, the onlything i see that looks like rgb says service only under it, is this where i plug it into?


behind the "secret" flip down front of the panel of the media box. See the owners manual, page 14, item # 13

as for your other question on video from the PC, it is also in the manual: page 74-75, or if you're question is beyond basic connectivity, try the Home Theater Computer forum

Thank you, just now see it :), is there any computer hdtv media player? I can download some hdtv content but don't know how to display it.

The Bravia's are far from the best LCD available. In the Sony line up it would be the XBR's. IMHO the Bravia's are quite poor and a 930 should blow it away. They display all that is problematic with LCD’s of the past. The newer Samsungs are a different story. The response times are down to 8ms and there are loads of controls. Put an LN-R469D next to the 1130 for a proper challenge. Has anyone done this? I have viewed the 4360 and the LN409D side by side. It was not such a clear decision.

I am just curious, for those that have seen these two side by side, what is it that you specifically liked about one over the other? It's odd, I want the 46" LCD for its razor sharp image and carefree use, but feel I am "supposed" to buy the Pioneer.

I am not new to theater, my nonprofit owns the last single screen theater in Westchester County, New York and I am the director. Film, image and projection is a daily business for me. I often preview films on plasma. I also own an interactive media company. We create kiosks, websites, presentations, etc. I stare at screens all day and have a strong prejudice against LCD's for detailed design.

Having said that, when I set out to convert from projection to flat screen in my home theater I thought the decision was easy. I didn't hesitate to get on the TV Authority 5060HD wait list. Then I took home the LCD and was surprised. Maybe you are right and I should just get the Pioneer and "not look back".

let's forget for one sec that the bravia and the xbr are different technologies*... bottom line is this... if you love the Ln409D so much, get it. This notion of "supposed" to buy one panel or another shouldn't even enter your thought process. Only you know what is pleasing to your eyes, and your opinion is all that should matter.

*unless you're talking about the Bravia XBR... which is what I have.

Dr62,
I think that the tuner setup is for over the air reception. I just received my 4360 and havent had much time to play with the settings. I did go into the tuner settings for my ant A which is straight from my outdoor antenna. However, I could not access the tuner settings when using my sat. box.
Also, I put my media box in an entertainment cabinet and do not hear the fan noise at all. Your remote works by pointing it at the tv, not the media box so you can put the media box out of the line of site. Hope I could help.

Just got a 4360 the other day and since then been trying to access TUNER SETUP but keep
getting message " Current setting do not allow selection and adjustment ".
I have digital cable box connected to Input 1(av cable),satelite receiver connected to
Input 2 ( S-video cable ) and DVD player connected to Input 3 by Commponent video cable.Please guys let me know what am I doing wrong ?
Media box is pretty noisy to.Is there any way to make it not so loud ?
Thank you

dakota388 is correct. You cannot access the tuner setup unless you actually have something connected to ant A or B.

hey d-nice do you have any pics of your setup?

Thanks to D-Nice for the settings info. One question on the Color Temp settings. I've seen the following listed several times on this forum:

Color Detail
Color Temp: Warm

My Color Temp settings (under Home Menu | Picture | Pro Adjust | Color Detail) are:
High
Mid-High
Mid
Mid-Low
Low
Manual


Am I looking at the wrong section?

Thanks for your help.

dakota388 is correct. You cannot access the tuner setup unless you actually have something connected to ant A or B.
Ditto. If you have a video input selected instead of ant A or B you can not do a channel search.

Thanks to D-Nice for the settings info. One question on the Color Temp settings. I've seen the following listed several times on this forum:

Color Detail
Color Temp: Warm

My Color Temp settings (under Home Menu | Picture | Pro Adjust | Color Detail) are:
High
Mid-High
Mid
Mid-Low
Low
Manual


Am I looking at the wrong section?

Thanks for your help.Warm is the same as low. On the 5060, the available settings are warm (low), mid, and high. The 1130 has "in-between" settings available (mid-high and mid-low).

hey d-nice do you have any pics of your setup?

Nope. Never got around to posting any. I may take one tonight or tomorrow.

Thanks to D-Nice for the settings info. One question on the Color Temp settings. I've seen the following listed several times on this forum:

Color Detail
Color Temp: Warm

My Color Temp settings (under Home Menu | Picture | Pro Adjust | Color Detail) are:
High
Mid-High
Mid
Mid-Low
Low
Manual


Am I looking at the wrong section?

Thanks for your help.

My apologies for the typo. It sounds like you have an Elite. Who is your cable/sat provider? What type of STB do you have? DVD player?

I am having trouble trying to access the TV guide features on my 4360. I had no problem with the guide on my older Comcast cable box, however since my upgrade to the Comcast High Def. box I am unable to receive the TV guide features.
I follow the entire set up process as I did prior to my updated box -Zip Code-Cable yes-Antenna A in- Channel 3- Auto tuning to channel 28 etc.
However I keep getting the same message IE. It will be available within 24 hours etc. yet nothing further happens. I can see the remote wand scrolling through the channels on the front of my HD DT5100 box however after leaving it overnight I still get the same message that it is updating the guide etc. Can anyone shed any light on this issue! :mad:

I've been following this forum for some time, and the info has been invaluable. D-Nice, thank you for the break-in settings....I've got an issue that has stumped both me and Comcast (this doesn't mean much as the "tech" that arrived at my house didn't know what an HDMI cable was). Anyway, I've got new 5060 hooked to a Comcast HD/DVR box. As alluded to, my box is connected to the media center via HDMI. For some reason, when watching the TV, all is fine and everything seems to be working correctly. BUT, when I switch the TV off, for some reason my cable box goes on an endless stream of channel changes. For example, I turn off the TV after watching Discovery HD, and within seconds the cablebox screen is cycling through other channels. Visually, one would think there is a gremlin sitting next to me dialing different channels, but I can assure you that I'm here alone! Again, when I then turn the TV back on, the channel is not how I left it, but the random (if it's random) cycling stops, and the channel I dial-in holds until I change the channel. Any thoughts or theories would be much appreciated!

Don

This is just the TV guide updating the channel info throught the infra red wand that you have pointing in front of your cable box! Can only do so when the TV is in the off positoin yet the Cable box remains on!

I am having trouble trying to access the TV guide features on my 4360. I had no problem with the guide on my older Comcast cable box, however since my upgrade to the Comcast High Def. box I am unable to receive the TV guide features.
I follow the entire set up process as I did prior to my updated box -Zip Code-Cable yes-Antenna A in- Channel 3- Auto tuning to channel 28 etc.
However I keep getting the same message IE. It will be available within 24 hours etc. yet nothing further happens. I can see the remote wand scrolling through the channels on the front of my HD DT5100 box however after leaving it overnight I still get the same message that it is updating the guide etc. Can anyone shed any light on this issue! :mad:

You have the Comcast box connected to your MR thru ant A? You're not suppose to use the Pioneer's built-in TV Guide if you are using a cable box.

But since you are, have you tried to do a direct connection from the wall to your MR?

I've been following this forum for some time, and the info has been invaluable. D-Nice, thank you for the break-in settings....I've got an issue that has stumped both me and Comcast (this doesn't mean much as the "tech" that arrived at my house didn't know what an HDMI cable was). Anyway, I've got new 5060 hooked to a Comcast HD/DVR box. As alluded to, my box is connected to the media center via HDMI. For some reason, when watching the TV, all is fine and everything seems to be working correctly. BUT, when I switch the TV off, for some reason my cable box goes on an endless stream of channel changes. For example, I turn off the TV after watching Discovery HD, and within seconds the cablebox screen is cycling through other channels. Visually, one would think there is a gremlin sitting next to me dialing different channels, but I can assure you that I'm here alone! Again, when I then turn the TV back on, the channel is not how I left it, but the random (if it's random) cycling stops, and the channel I dial-in holds until I change the channel. Any thoughts or theories would be much appreciated!

Don

Disconnect the box from the plasma and act as if you are changing channels while the cable box is on. Then turn the box off. If the box does the same thing, then your box is defective. if it doesn't do it, then something may be going on with the HDMI connection.

Please post the results of this test.

My apologies for the typo. It sounds like you have an Elite. Who is your cable/sat provider? What type of STB do you have? DVD player?

No worries. Yes, I have an Elite 1130. My content is from Adelphia via an SA Explorer 8300HD. My DVD player is an older (circa 2001) Toshiba w/ Progressive Scan.

No worries. Yes, I have an Elite 1130. My content is from Adelphia via an SA Explorer 8300HD. My DVD player is an older (circa 2001) Toshiba w/ Progressive Scan.

Here are some settings for your SA8300. Please tell me what you think....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -3
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Took delivery on a 5060 today. I already own a 42" Panny HD Plasma, the Pioneer replaced a three year old Sammy DLP.

I am floored by the picture quality, not only does is destory the DLP (expected that), it is also much better than the Panny.

I was traveling last week and saw the 5060 in a store that actually did a nice job of displaying their plasma sets. Even then I was stunned at the quality.

I was so close to buying a 50" Panny instead and I am thrilled with the Pioneer. Not cheap but a fantastic set. I also took a flier on the Oppo DVD player, it is very nice with the 5060 (the Oppo is an unbelievable value).

Thanks all for all the info in this thread!

Here are some settings for your SA8300. Please tell me what you think....

<---snip--->

D-Nice, thanks again. I'll test those out on various pieces of content, but so far I like how it looks. I may bump the contrast to 30 or so as that's where it was before (I'm past 100 hrs), but we'll see.

BTW, I'm driving my wife crazy by making these subtle changes -- she thinks there's absolutely no difference. Yet another bonus of the 1130. :)

Here are some settings for your SA8300. Please tell me what you think....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -3
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -4
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Always tinkering, right?... Don't stop.

pls post pics of ur 5060 setups everyone!

I currently have an Elite 530 Rear screen HDTV from Pioneer and am planning on upgrading to either a 5060 or an 1130...

Now for my question. On my 530 when feeding a 1080i signal ( from my DirecTV HD-Tivo) the 530 locks out the Pioneers ability to adjust the strech modes. Does the same thing happen on the plasmas?

Also - Anyone else that may have gone from the older Elite Rear Screens to one of these plasmas care to share their impressions?

Thanks

I thought a few of you might be interested in this post on banding with plasmas and it's relationship to grey scale. The Pioneer has one of the best looking greyscales I've seen next to a CRT. This is yet another reason why I think Pioneer has the best PQ of any plasma.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7063738#post7063738

One note, using the AVIA (or DVE) horizontal grey ramp test pattern is an excellent way to adjust the contrast, brightness, and color temperature (on an Elite) by eye. Several people who have tried it on other plasmas has commented back to me that it worked great and really improved the PQ. Use the contrast to make the white end as linear as possible, the brightness to make the dark end as linear as possible, and the color temperature settings to get it as neutral in color as possible across the grey scale (RGB highs for light end, RGB lows for dark end). If you try it tell me what you think.

Dr62,
I think that the tuner setup is for over the air reception. I just received my 4360 and havent had much time to play with the settings. I did go into the tuner settings for my ant A which is straight from my outdoor antenna. However, I could not access the tuner settings when using my sat. box.
Also, I put my media box in an entertainment cabinet and do not hear the fan noise at all. Your remote works by pointing it at the tv, not the media box so you can put the media box out of the line of site. Hope I could help.

Thank you for your help .

Finishing up the setup of my new 1130 and it is amazing. Thanks to all of you that answered my questions or posted great information that I found here. Whoever told me to get the 1130 and don't look back was sooo right.

Now for a couple of questions.

I have my DVD player(Denon 1920) on HDMI input 1. I enabled this from the menu and it works fine, or as fine as I guess it can (any input for making this the best PQ would be appreciated). I tried to put my cable box on HDMI input 3 and don't get anything. If I change the HDMI cables I then get the Comcast signal but no DVD. Probably something easy but I can't figure it out.

2nd question is can I set an SA8300HD to passthrough? From what I have read this is the best setting but again I can't figure out how to make it work.

3rd question-The audio from the speakers on the set and the output from my receiver, which is tied into the analog audio out from the Comcast box) are a little off from each other. It is actually hard to tell which one is off. Assuming the anelog one is slightly delayed, if I use an optical cable will this bring them together. I want the separate audio out from comcast to listen to the music channels with the 1130 off and also to use while watching cable. While I guess I don't need to have them both on at the same time I want it to be right.

I will try to post a pic of my new setup later.

Thanks again.

3rd question-The audio from the speakers on the set and the output from my receiver, which is tied into the analog audio out from the Comcast box) are a little off from each other. It is actually hard to tell which one is off. Assuming the anelog one is slightly delayed, if I use an optical cable will this bring them together. I want the separate audio out from comcast to listen to the music channels with the 1130 off and also to use while watching cable. While I guess I don't need to have them both on at the same time I want it to be right.
Thanks again.
No, I run the optical out from the comcast box to my Denon receiver. It's off from the Pioneer speakers.

I have my DVD player(Denon 1920) on HDMI input 1. I enabled this from the menu and it works fine, or as fine as I guess it can (any input for making this the best PQ would be appreciated). I tried to put my cable box on HDMI input 3 and don't get anything. If I change the HDMI cables I then get the Comcast signal but no DVD. Probably something easy but I can't figure it out.

watsoncj,

You need to enable *both* HDMI ports from the Option menu. This one threw me for awhile too :)

Good luck with your 1130.

This is just the TV guide updating the channel info throught the infra red wand that you have pointing in front of your cable box! Can only do so when the TV is in the off positoin yet the Cable box remains on!


Thanks, Skilaro and D-Nice for the ideas. I think you have got me going in the right direction. Here's what I've got so far. In thinking of both your suggestions, I unplugged the HDMI cable and turned off the TV. The gremlin changing began immediately. I then considered Skilaro's point, and I do have the IR wand in front of the box. I hadn't considered this an issue, which shows that I'm not understanding the interface properly. When I replaced the HDMI, but removed the IR, the channel changing stopped. Having, I think, now determined what's driving the channel changing, I would still wonder why the actual box is changing channels. I would have assumed that the interface wouldn't result in an actual change of channels between turning the TV on and off. I guess ultimately, if I'm relying solely on the box for my TV Guide, and not the TV, then I can dump the IR wand altother. I had originally considered using the Pio's TV Guide, but can't find a real advantage to doing so. Thank you both, again.

Don

Thanks, Skilaro and D-Nice for the ideas. I think you have got me going in the right direction. Here's what I've got so far. In thinking of both your suggestions, I unplugged the HDMI cable and turned off the TV. The gremlin changing began immediately. I then considered Skilaro's point, and I do have the IR wand in front of the box. I hadn't considered this an issue, which shows that I'm not understanding the interface properly. When I replaced the HDMI, but removed the IR, the channel changing stopped. Having, I think, now determined what's driving the channel changing, I would still wonder why the actual box is changing channels. I would have assumed that the interface wouldn't result in an actual change of channels between turning the TV on and off. I guess ultimately, if I'm relying solely on the box for my TV Guide, and not the TV, then I can dump the IR wand altother. I had originally considered using the Pio's TV Guide, but can't find a real advantage to doing so. Thank you both, again.

Don

You are very welcome Don ,
Here's how I figure the entire channel flipping issue. The TV guide needs to update the information channel by channel, it needs to scroll through each channel numerically starting at the channel you last left the TV on before you turned it off. In order for the TV guide to update you must leave the cable box powered on, to enable the Data transfer channel by channel.
The one reason I preferred the PIO TV guide over the Comcast guide is with the TV guide, you can have the ability to record programs through your regular VCR, hence the second IR wand- with Comcast you need a their cable box with the built in recorder (6412) to operate the same function.Hope this helps!

Now if I could only find an answer to my question as to why I can not operate the TV guide with the Comcast HD BOX DT5100

D-nice

Just bought the 1130 elite :cool: and was wondering are the settings you have for the connection to the SA8300 good for the SA3250HD as well?

And is there a way to check for hours accrued on the set? Haven't had a chance to study the guide yet.

Thanks for all the info!

Just a further update on my new installation. CableCard, courtesy of Comcast, installed today. Went amazingly well (I feared the worst, given a rather disappointing historyof installs with Comcast).

The picture is truly incredible on my pio Elite 1130! As compared to HDMI, slightly crisper, steadier, etched!

Also, SD is much, much better than I have seen it in the past couple of years - a vast improvement over the Moto 6412. I cannot access Comcast on Demand through the CableCard.

All is good for now. :D

LIY

D-nice

Just bought the 1130 elite :cool: and was wondering are the settings you have for the connection to the SA8300 good for the SA3250HD as well?

And is there a way to check for hours accrued on the set? Haven't had a chance to study the guide yet.

Thanks for all the info!

Yes they will work for the 3250.

You can check your panel hours in the SM, BUT we cannot give you the keystrokes to get in. However, if you do a search in this thread you find the instructions ;)

Always tinkering, right?... Don't stop.

Last time I promise ;) This is the best yet...just one small correction on the yellow color management control.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -5
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Finishing up the setup of my new 1130 and it is amazing. Thanks to all of you that answered my questions or posted great information that I found here. Whoever told me to get the 1130 and don't look back was sooo right.

Now for a couple of questions.

I have my DVD player(Denon 1920) on HDMI input 1. I enabled this from the menu and it works fine, or as fine as I guess it can (any input for making this the best PQ would be appreciated). I tried to put my cable box on HDMI input 3 and don't get anything. If I change the HDMI cables I then get the Comcast signal but no DVD. Probably something easy but I can't figure it out.

2nd question is can I set an SA8300HD to passthrough? From what I have read this is the best setting but again I can't figure out how to make it work.



You need to enable HDMI on input 3.

Regarding the SA8300, depends on what software you have....SARA yes....Passport no. If you have the SARA software, please visit the Scientific Atlanta website and d/l the setup guide.

Just got a new 4360 and have been reading through the threads and have noticed that mode referances on how to enter the Service Menu have been deleted. I'm seen referances to a "calibration forum" but I can't find it. Can some one pass on a link to where this form may be...in particular in regards to the service menu on the 4360.

On a seperate note, I have noticed the fan on the media reciever unit running even in stand by mode. I can't hear it now, but like all fans, especially ones that run 24/7...it will get noisy and I will not be happy then.

Hi Vashti,

I'm happy enough. The Panasonic has a bit less of the judder I had so much difficulty with. Along with the iScan HD+, I've got good SD stretch, better SD quality and better DVD quality than I had with the Pio alone. Of course, using the HD+ with the Pio would have done the same.

One of the minor benefits some have touted with the Pio turned out to be true for me... weight. The heavier Panny is too much for my console. The top is actually sagging slightly and causing the same at the bottom. I bought a wall mount to take care of that, which will be a benefit in the end since I'll have that nice wall mounted look and free up the top of the console for more toys! ;)

I'd love to get a full review up, but I'm not sure I will be able to get to it any time soon. I may settle for a web page with pics and comments.

Great, congratulations. I look forward to your review or pics w/ comments when you get there. Enjoy!

Hello all,
Somewhat new to the AVS forum, but have a question that con be simply answered ...which I was hoping to avoid the 70-some-odd pages to find out. First, do the speakers detach for the 5061 (from BB) and Second... the box that comes with it (that I've read does AND Does not in different articles)...the one for upscaling perhaps... Is that box needed to use the PDP? And over all, the PX50, PX500 or the pio 5061 ? Thank you for your time and patience.-Tommy

Hello all,
Somewhat new to the AVS forum, but have a question that con be simply answered ...which I was hoping to avoid the 70-some-odd pages to find out. First, do the speakers detach for the 5061 (from BB) and Second... the box that comes with it (that I've read does AND Does not in different articles)...the one for upscaling perhaps... Is that box needed to use the PDP? And over all, the PX50, PX500 or the pio 5061 ? Thank you for your time and patience.-TommyYes, the speakers detach from the 5061 (or the 5060), and you need to use the media receiver to use the plasma panel.

The system cable that comes with the 5060 is about 10 ft long. I just ordered my 5060, but I am pretty sure that unless I change around my plans on how I am going to set it up, that this cable will be too short. I did not see any longer system cables on the pioneer site.

Anyone know if they make a longer one?

Hi aslan,

there is a longer version available. It's part number is PDA-H03 and it's 10 m long.

RobieZ

Thanks.... off to see if I can find it. Much obliged!

Thanks.... off to see if I can find it. Much obliged!
Ashlan, brace yourself for some sticker-shock when you see the price of that cable! :eek:

I have.... IF you find it, it is like minimum 300 bucks... SHEESH!

I might just have to sacrifice some of my aesthetics and put a small shelf under my plasma... or put the receiver on top of the center channel...lol

i just got my 1130 hd and i am just getting around to tweaking it. i was wondering if anyone else has the same equipment as me and if they could post their picture settings.

for movies i am using an HTPC with Windows Media Center Edition 2005 - dvi-hdmi from a nvidia 6600 vid card.

for SD tv i am currently using a DirecTivo Samsung SIR connected using s-video

and for hd i have a cheap-o RCA OTA antena connected to the antenna input.

if anyone could post their settings it would be greatly appreciated. i have seen some settings posted in this thread but i just haven't gotten through all 40 pages yet - and was hoping someone would be willing to post them here.

Hi anyone using a H20 D* reciever with 4360? When i first got the tv it was hooked up to the regular reciever D10 by svideo, i had my tv set on cimema mode and the SD channel (MTV) looks ok, now with the new H20 box, my SD channels don't look good. I have my mode on the H20 set to Native - on, and screen format = strecth. and my pioneer setting set to Full, is this right? or is there better settings?

anyone try connect DVI to Hdmi cable for the 4360 for the PC, i can't get it to work

k i connected the DVI>HDMI cable to input 3 and enable it, i set video and audio to auto, on my remote i hit input 3 to try to display my computer but it's not working, i have my pc on clone mode to test. But just black screen, any help would be really apprciated it.

k i connected the DVI>HDMI cable to input 3 and enable it, i set video and audio to auto, on my remote i hit input 3 to try to display my computer but it's not working, i have my pc on clone mode to test. But just black screen, any help would be really apprciated it.

In the owners manual there is a list of supported resolutions for the HDMI input, and another list for the PC input. Make sure you are producing an appropriate resolution from your PC. 720p on the panel is 1280x720 progressive on the PC, 1080i on the panel is 1920x1080 Interlaced on the PC. Not all graphics cards can do the interlaced mode well.


-Drew

In the owners manual there is a list of supported resolutions for the HDMI input, and another list for the PC input. Make sure you are producing an appropriate resolution from your PC. 720p on the panel is 1280x720 progressive on the PC, 1080i on the panel is 1920x1080 Interlaced on the PC. Not all graphics cards can do the interlaced mode well.


-Drew

What page is this information on?

Also, i have a 6800 GT card, where can i make it produce the right resolution at? can i do one for my lcd monitor and one for the 4360?

Hi all, I am setting up my new 5060, and have a question regarding speaker setup. Due to space limitations, I would prefer not to have to attach the included speakers. I have an old 3 piece desktop style stereo system with a R and L main speaker and then the 3 disc-changer. The only connections available to me are the basic red and white audio cables (sorry, dont know the exact name, is this analog?). Anyways, I have tried various connections between my dvd player, the media reciever, and the stereo, but no sound is to be heard. Can anyone tell me how to connect these dots so i can get some sound for my movies?

according to the manual, i tried dvd player to media reciever input 1 (where i have the dvd video going to also), and then the media reciever connected from the monitor out jacks to the stereo, but no luck.

Thanks in advance.

ben

What page is this information on?

Also, i have a 6800 GT card, where can i make it produce the right resolution at? can i do one for my lcd monitor and one for the 4360?

76 is the manual page number... same if using the online pdf version. (oops thats the 1130 manual, dont know about 5060,4360)

Also may want to try the elite reference guide, it might have some more info. Linked through the page in my sig. (edit: I just checked ref guide, its the same as my elite manual, page 6 of the pdf)

Also make sure your video card supports HDCP if going through the HDMI port, as there is no way to get around it if not.

i don't understand, it just won't display in window's mode, when i'm booting up the comptuer, it display, but not in windows

Hi all, I am setting up my new 5060, and have a question regarding speaker setup. Due to space limitations, I would prefer not to have to attach the included speakers. I have an old 3 piece desktop style stereo system with a R and L main speaker and then the 3 disc-changer. The only connections available to me are the basic red and white audio cables (sorry, dont know the exact name, is this analog?). Anyways, I have tried various connections between my dvd player, the media reciever, and the stereo, but no sound is to be heard. Can anyone tell me how to connect these dots so i can get some sound for my movies?

according to the manual, i tried dvd player to media reciever input 1 (where i have the dvd video going to also), and then the media reciever connected from the monitor out jacks to the stereo, but no luck.

Thanks in advance.

ben

There is a menu option for the monitor output that may be set to prohibit input 1 by default.

You can try disabling this, but I expect the output to be lagging the picture if you get sound. The only other way would be to run cables from the speaker outputs on the panel itself back down to the analog inputs of your stereo.

I hate to tell you, but the display wasnt designed for use with simple 2-channel solutions other than the included speaker connections on the panel. Most other people would be using outboard surround processors that have an optical input.

So realistically, you can either upgrade your 2 channel stereo to something with an optical input, or run wires from the speaker outputs on the back of the actual panel back down to the analog inputs of your current stereo.

If you are not using the internal tuners of the plasma and are only using an external cable box & DVD, there may be another way though.

i don't understand, it just won't display in window's mode, when i'm booting up the comptuer, it display, but not in windows

Its a refresh/resolution problem most likely then. The HDMI resolutions/refresh are described on page 12 of my 1130 manual, section "Using the HDMI Input" . may be the same heading in the 5060/4360 manual too.

Here is a cut-n-paste (HDMI):
Input signal correlation table
1920*1080i@59.94/60Hz
720*480p@59.94/60Hz
1280*720p@59.94/60Hz
720(1440)*480i@59.94/60Hz


The resolutions/refresh accepted via VGA input are what I linked above in that previous post.

Here is a cut-n-paste (VGA):
720 × 400 70 Hz
640 × 480 60 Hz 72 Hz 75 Hz
800 × 600 56 Hz 60 Hz 72 Hz 75 Hz
1024 × 768 60 Hz 70 Hz 75 Hz
1280 × 768 56 Hz 60 Hz 70 Hz

k got it working now, before i had selected it as TV now i change it to R06U as the media reciever and it works thank you

We pulled the trigger on the 4360HD from satellite and sound today, should be here sometime next week :) This is the culmination of a long and sometimes painful research process, so we're very happy to have gotten it done and gotten a product we are happy with :p Just wanted to thank everyone around here for your help - you guys have been great, although I do have a couple more questions ;)

First, we have a 24-hour window to report concealed shipping damages, is their anything in particular we should look for that an unexperienced person might not catch (so not broken glass or a big dent, but maybe smaller things or dead/stuck pixels, etc.)

Secondly, and I realize this is a total newbie question, but... what is the deal with the whole break-in period. What should we avoid doing, and are their special settings we should use during that time? We are planning to get the AVIA HT calibration disk, rather than spend more money on professional calibration, but during the break-in period should we do something specific to be careful. For example, should we make sure to avoid watching 4:3 sources since there will be black bars on the sides, or turn down the brightness or contrast? Also, can you find the AVIA disk at a radio shack or bb, or can you only get it online?

third, cables. from what I have gathered, there is no reason to pay top dollar for very expensive cables, and we should just get monoprice cables or something similar. Is this true? and can you get monoprice anywhere but online?
Thanks guys :)

Our 4360 is t-minus 1 hour away... anyone got any input on this? We won't be able to do any calibration (paid or avia) for at least a couple of days, since we don't have the disk....

Do the input boxes on the pioneers make noise? Is it more or less then sets in which everything is part of the set?

Edit - also, what is the difference between "flush mount" and "air mount" speakers.

Doug

I have seen many recommended calibration set-ups for the 1130HD For example D-Nice shows his specific cable box. Since, I have the Motorola DCT6412 III box, I presume the settings D-Nice shows would not match what would be best for me. Am I right? Also, D-Nice has the Denon 39xx receiver, while I have the new Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV receiver and Denon 1920 DVD player.

Would I be better off getting my own calibration tool or trying a recommended set-up I see in this forum? If I use a calibration tool, what would you recommend??

Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

Thanks for the reply Malicious --

Actually turns out i was just being careless, and plugging the analog cables into the wrong jacks on the stereo - sound is working fine now.

hoping to upgrade the sound system ASAP, but 1 thing at a time :(

anyways the tv is already pretty impressive to me, and the cable guy doesnt get here till tomorrow with the HD box :)

Hi,

What is the energy save set to when use these settings? Thanks!

JHC

Last time I promise ;) This is the best yet...just one small correction on the yellow color management control.....

Does anyone here have an SA4200HD box. It seems most people have the SA8300HD. Would my PQ be better by switching to the 8300. I didnt want to spend the extra 5.00 per month for the recording feature.

Hi aslan,

there is a longer version available. It's part number is PDA-H03 and it's 10 m long.

RobieZ

Does anyone know if there is an off-brand less expensive cable that will run from the media box to the TV on the 1130? I have my Elite on order but know the 10' system cable will be too short.

Do the input boxes on the pioneers make noise? Is it more or less then sets in which everything is part of the set?

Edit - also, what is the difference between "flush mount" and "air mount" speakers.
1) yes. the fan runs constantly, even when the unit is off.
2) dunno. never had a tv with a fan before. in a perfectly quiet room, it can be heard. but with almost any noise (in my case, when the refrigerator motor turns on in the kitchen, or the A/C blower is on) the sound of the media receiver disappears.

"flush mount" means the speakers are mounted flush with the bezel.
"air mount" means there is about 1/8" of "air" between the speakers and the bezel. i'm not quite sure why they used the term "air mount".

Try searching for Key Digital. They make a longer cable. It is still expensive though. I think i spent $300-400!!! I bought mine from Harvey Electronics.

The Pio speaker mount choices are to either be right next to the panel or spaced an inch or so away from it (Air mount). I think flush mount looks better.

I am switching from 4200hd to 8300hd in the next couple weeks and will post my opinions on quality diffrences. I currently use a ReplayTV with component cables to my 1130. The picture is very good FWIW.

Can anyone recommend a good DIY calibration DVD and where to get it?

When i turn on my 1130 is sometimes hear a strange faint clicking sound at startup? Anyone else have this? Other than that there is sometimes a faint buzz from the panel depending on what is on the screen. Both panel and MR are pretty quiet overall though. Very satisfied.

my 4360 is scheduled to be here this afternoon. i can't find any initial setup settings for the break in period in this thread (80 pages is a lot) can someone post some for me? also, if anyone has any advanced settings they could post for the post breakin period that would be great as well! thanks.

I have seen many recommended calibration set-ups for the 1130HD For example D-Nice shows his specific cable box. Since, I have the Motorola DCT6412 III box, I presume the settings D-Nice shows would not match what would be best for me. Am I right? Also, D-Nice has the Denon 39xx receiver, while I have the new Pioneer Elite VSX-72TXV receiver and Denon 1920 DVD player.

Would I be better off getting my own calibration tool or trying a recommended set-up I see in this forum? If I use a calibration tool, what would you recommend??

Thanks in advance for any info you can provide.

My settings (sig link) are for a DCT6412 Rev 3. But dont hesitate to try someone else's settings. You may find something your eyes like better. My eyes like my settings, yours may like something a little different :)

Thanks for the reply Malicious --

Actually turns out i was just being careless, and plugging the analog cables into the wrong jacks on the stereo - sound is working fine now.

hoping to upgrade the sound system ASAP, but 1 thing at a time :(

anyways the tv is already pretty impressive to me, and the cable guy doesnt get here till tomorrow with the HD box :)

So there werent any lip sync issues when using the monitor outputs? Thats good to know.

windrockwater, I have the 4360 and hear those faint clicking or kind of chirping sounds(maybe 3 or so) when the TV is first turned on from cold. It seems to happen just as the picture is first shown. At least I know that other Pioneer plasmas do it and not just mine.

Hi,

What is the energy save set to when use these settings? Thanks!

JHC

save2

Does anyone here have an SA4200HD box. It seems most people have the SA8300HD. Would my PQ be better by switching to the 8300. I didnt want to spend the extra 5.00 per month for the recording feature.

the SA4200 is a newer version of the SA3250. The SA3250 is in the same series as the SA8300...minus the dvr part. The settings I've posted should work fine on both SA4200 and SA3250. Make sure you use HDMI.

Does anyone know if there is an off-brand less expensive cable that will run from the media box to the TV on the 1130? I have my Elite on order but know the 10' system cable will be too short.

Key Digital has some up to 50'.

Try searching for Key Digital. They make a longer cable. It is still expensive though. I think i spent $300-400!!! I bought mine from Harvey Electronics.

The Pio speaker mount choices are to either be right next to the panel or spaced an inch or so away from it (Air mount). I think flush mount looks better.

I am switching from 4200hd to 8300hd in the next couple weeks and will post my opinions on quality diffrences. I currently use a ReplayTV with component cables to my 1130. The picture is very good FWIW.

Can anyone recommend a good DIY calibration DVD and where to get it?

When i turn on my 1130 is sometimes hear a strange faint clicking sound at startup? Anyone else have this? Other than that there is sometimes a faint buzz from the panel depending on what is on the screen. Both panel and MR are pretty quiet overall though. Very satisfied.

The clicking noise is the power module warming up....nothing to worry about. All plasmas have a faint buzz when bright colors are on the screen...again, nothing to worry about.

my 4360 is scheduled to be here this afternoon. i can't find any initial setup settings for the break in period in this thread (80 pages is a lot) can someone post some for me? also, if anyone has any advanced settings they could post for the post breakin period that would be great as well! thanks.


search the last 5-8 pages.

Can anyone recommend a good DIY calibration DVD and where to get it?

"Get Gray" an AVS forum member is developing, with the help of others in the callibration section (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=139) (see the "New Calibration Disc" thread), what is turning out to be the best callibration disc available. While still technically in beta, it is virtually complete with good documentation.
http://www.calibrate.tv/
The only thing it will not have is the cumbersome introductory material that AVIA and DVE have.

Quick quesion My brother has pioneer 5060 and has cablevision as is provider. He is connected via component cables. He tells me he still sees bars on top and bottom even on hd channels he does have it set in full mode. is there some setting he missing he should not have the bars on an hd channel

the SA4200 is a newer version of the SA3250. The SA3250 is in the same series as the SA8300...minus the dvr part. The settings I've posted should work fine on both SA4200 and SA3250. Make sure you use HDMI.

Thanks, I am connected using HDMI. Are you saying that all of your settings for the 8300 will work on my 4200.

Thanks again.
John

Quick quesion My brother has pioneer 5060 and has cablevision as is provider. He is connected via component cables. He tells me he still sees bars on top and bottom even on hd channels he does have it set in full mode. is there some setting he missing he should not have the bars on an hd channel

Tell him to tune to a channel that has the bars that he believes should not be there. When on that channel, press the display info button on the remote and see if the display mode says 480i/480p/720p/1080i. (Upper right corner of the display)

If the mode shows 480i/480p, then the cable box is set incorrectly for HD, or cablevision does not have him set up correctly. If you can find out the model number of his cable box, you can check the appropriate forum here for set-up instructions.

It may be something as simple as his cable box being set to downconvert HD.

Here is what the stretch modes should look like, courtesy of pstrisik:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6546231&&#post6546231

Quick quesion My brother has pioneer 5060 and has cablevision as is provider. He is connected via component cables. He tells me he still sees bars on top and bottom even on hd channels he does have it set in full mode. is there some setting he missing he should not have the bars on an hd channel

If he is watching movies in an original aspect that is smaller than the full screen , there will be bars above and below

Thanks, I am connected using HDMI. Are you saying that all of your settings for the 8300 will work on my 4200.

Thanks again.
John

Yes

No he tells me there are bars on the top and bottom of the screen when watching hd channels

Tell him to tune to a channel that has the bars that he believes should not be there. When on that channel, press the display info button on the remote and see if the display mode says 480i/480p/720p/1080i. (Upper right corner of the display)

If the mode shows 480i/480p, then the cable box is set incorrectly for HD, or cablevision does not have him set up correctly. If you can find out the model number of his cable box, you can check the appropriate forum here for set-up instructions.

It may be something as simple as his cable box being set to downconvert HD.

Here is what the stretch modes should look like, courtesy of pstrisik:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6546231&&#post6546231

THat makes sense I assumed it is some setting in the stb. Also I understand the factory setting for all non hd channels is to fill the entire screen is that correct? I KNow that has nothing to do with the bars on the hd channels though

Quick quesion My brother has pioneer 5060 and has cablevision as is provider. He is connected via component cables. He tells me he still sees bars on top and bottom even on hd channels he does have it set in full mode. is there some setting he missing he should not have the bars on an hd channel

He must have something set oddly on his cable box menu. My Moxi box has about 5 different modes in its "HD Setup" menu.

I have ordered the 5060, which I plan to install above my fireplace. The media receiver will go in a closet and be out of the line of site. Is the I/R remote sensor on the plasma or the media receiver?

I have ordered the 5060, which I plan to install above my fireplace. The media receiver will go in a closet and be out of the line of site. Is the I/R remote sensor on the plasma or the media receiver?

Plasma

D-Nice,

Can the latest Pioneer plasmas act as an IR repeater as I see there is an IR emitter output (G-LINK) on the back of the media box?

Thanks

Does anyone know if there is an off-brand less expensive cable that will run from the media box to the TV on the 1130? I have my Elite on order but know the 10' system cable will be too short.

I was searching for this same information, since I will be mounting my plasma over a fireplace and running the cable about 60' to a closet that I am remaking into a component closet. Earlier in this thread, someone posted some information about a company in suburban Chicago named Cable-Comm Technologies (www.cable-comm.com). I talked to Larry at 800-544-1330 x-3124 this afternoon. They make cables that will connect the media receiver to the plasma at a SIGNIFICANT savings over the Key Digital or Pioneer cables. They will custom make cables up to 50' and warranty that they work. They will also produce longer lengths, but do not warranty them (but Larry says that they typically sell them up to 75' in length to installers w/o complaint). I was very excited to find this information. Now I just need to contact Beyond Plasma and get my 5060 ordered.

Scott

We've got our 4360 up and running, it really is :eek: HD is just incredible :) I did notice that there seems to be a thin frame of black pixels around the picture - it is on the screen itself, not the outer frame, but even when I put the TV on zoom or full, there is still a thin black frame of pixels around it. It doesn't really take away from the viewing, but is that a normal thing or does the TV have a problem of some sort. We havn't used it much yet, only a couple of hours so far, but never have we watched 4:3, and we've used D-Nice's settings, so I don't see how it could be burn-in or image retention already? What should we do :confused:

D-Nice,

Can the latest Pioneer plasmas act as an IR repeater as I see there is an IR emitter output (G-LINK) on the back of the media box?

Thanks


Only for other pioneer products.

We've got our 4360 up and running, it really is :eek: HD is just incredible :) I did notice that there seems to be a thin frame of black pixels around the picture - it is on the screen itself, not the outer frame, but even when I put the TV on zoom or full, there is still a thin black frame of pixels around it. It doesn't really take away from the viewing, but is that a normal thing or does the TV have a problem of some sort. We havn't used it much yet, only a couple of hours so far, but never have we watched 4:3, and we've used D-Nice's settings, so I don't see how it could be burn-in or image retention already? What should we do :confused:

Not sure about the line of unused pixels. I think you may be taking about the "plasma connectors" that are on the edges of the screen. I'll check mine when I get home....but I don't recall ever seeing an un-used line of pixels.

At any rate, you do not have to worry about it causing burn-in :)

Not sure about the line of unused pixels. I think you may be taking about the "plasma connectors" that are on the edges of the screen. I'll check mine when I get home....but I don't recall ever seeing an un-used line of pixels.

At any rate, you do not have to worry about it causing burn-in :)

I tried best I could to get a picture of it with my crappy digital camera - obviously it is zoomed in and cropped, so its not actually that big but still...When I'm watching, it just sort of looks like it blends into the outer frame, unless you go up close to look at it:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3876/tv9bl.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tv9bl.jpg)

I tried best I could to get a picture of it with my crappy digital camera - obviously it is zoomed in and cropped, so its not actually that big but still...When I'm watching, it just sort of looks like it blends into the outer frame, unless you go up close to look at it:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3876/tv9bl.th.jpg (http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tv9bl.jpg)

There are no pixels in that area. That is where the electronic connectors connect to plasma glass.

There are no pixels in that area. That is where the electronic connectors connect to plasma glass.

Sweet, thanks :) I'm a little paranoid about it right now, good to know that nothing is wrong :p

Hey, sorry for the noobish question, but i am having a hell of a time with the connections on my new 5060.

First, the problem: No picture when i switch to the dvd player (input 3).

Right now, I have my cable box (motorola 6200) via component going to input 1 on the MR, along with analog audio cables to input 1. So TV is fine with sound. The dvd player is hooked via component to input 3, along with analog audio cables to input 3. But, when i switch to input 3 on the remote, i can hear the audio from the movie, but there is no picture, just a blank screen.

what am i doing wrong?? i checked the connections, and i dont think any cables are loose.

Please help

Ben

Hey, sorry for the noobish question, but i am having a hell of a time with the connections on my new 5060.

First, the problem: No picture when i switch to the dvd player (input 3).

Right now, I have my cable box (motorola 6200) via component going to input 1 on the MR, along with analog audio cables to input 1. So TV is fine with sound. The dvd player is hooked via component to input 3, along with analog audio cables to input 3. But, when i switch to input 3 on the remote, i can hear the audio from the movie, but there is no picture, just a blank screen.

what am i doing wrong?? i checked the connections, and i dont think any cables are loose.

Please help

Ben

Glad to see your Pio made it safely. Is everything else working out with your new Plasma? I would suggest you try to switch the cables on the cable box and DVD to take them out of the equation.

Hey, sorry for the noobish question, but i am having a hell of a time with the connections on my new 5060.

First, the problem: No picture when i switch to the dvd player (input 3).

Right now, I have my cable box (motorola 6200) via component going to input 1 on the MR, along with analog audio cables to input 1. So TV is fine with sound. The dvd player is hooked via component to input 3, along with analog audio cables to input 3. But, when i switch to input 3 on the remote, i can hear the audio from the movie, but there is no picture, just a blank screen.

what am i doing wrong?? i checked the connections, and i dont think any cables are loose.

Please help

Ben

Have you gone through your dvd player's menu and set up HDMI out? I suspect that may be the issue.

Never mind, everything;s working fine now. Must have been a loose connection from the dvd player end of things after all, although it took me 3 times switching cables to get a good connect. I think the problem lies in the new cables, which are not that flexible yet, and they tend to slide out of the jacks when i was pushing the player and MR back into the rack after hooking everything up.

Thanks

Ben

finally took delivery last night. my friend came over and we had it wall mounted over the fireplace in about 2 hours. i took a pic, but please excuse the quality. it's from my cell phone since my digi cam broke. anyways, the D*TV guy will be here today to install the high def. i already have an HDMI cable that i plan to connect the MR to the HD box. one thing i saw in the instructions, it says that digital out is disabled from the MR if you use HDMI. so basically i can't use the optical cable from the MR to my AV receiver if i wanted to switch back and forth between surround and no surround for regular tv viewing? i plan on keeping an all pioneer setup because i like the SR+ functionality. anyone using a NON elite pio dvd player? i desperately need one as my old toshiba is dying. thanks!

I am waiting for an 1130 so let me get this straight.. I can't run an HDMI to my t.v. for picture and an optical to my av receiver for surround??? That does not sound right..

I am waiting for an 1130 so let me get this straight.. I can't run an HDMI to my t.v. for picture and an optical to my av receiver for surround??? That does not sound right..


The Pioneer MR will not allow 5.1 surround to be sent out from the MR if you are using HDMI.

So.....no you will not be able to connect your DVD player or cable box with an HDMI cable and expect to pull a 5.1 signal out of the Pioneer MR.

However, you can send the video to the plasma thru HDMI and use an optical connection from your dvd player/cable box to your receiver.

You cannot send 5.1 surround over HDMI 1.1 as it is a limitatation of the 1.1 spec.


Huh?... I've got my dvd player running hdmi to my receiver which runs hdmi to the MR and I get DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1.

From the start hdmi was designed to support Dolby 5.1. and high resolution audio formats.

Did I misinterpret the question/answer?

Huh?... I've got my dvd player running hdmi to my receiver which runs hdmi to the MR and I get DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1.

From the start hdmi was designed to support Dolby 5.1. and high resolution audio formats.

Did I misinterpret the question/answer?


I fixed my post ;)

The Pioneer MR will not allow 5.1 surround to be sent out from the MR if you are using HDMI.

So.....no you will not be able to connect your DVD player or cable box with an HDMI cable and expect to pull a 5.1 signal out of the Pioneer MR.

However, you can send the video to the plasma thru HDMI and use an optical connection from your dvd player/cable box to your receiver.

Would my best audio setup be to use firewire (that is assuming my player and receiver support it)? I'm assuming here I can get 5.1 thru firewire? I had planned on going HDMI from DVD Player to receiver, then to plasma, but it seems my best bet would be to go HDMI from the player directly into the plasma, then use firewire for audio into my receiver. Or am I missing something? I just want best PQ and audio possible.

Thanks

Here is a short favorable review of the PDP-4360HD from Pioneer Canada's website. It was reviewed by Canadahifi.com. Hopefully this has not been posted yet.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/296876186CANADA%20HiFi%20-%20Pioneer%20PDP-4360HD%20Review.pdf

The Pioneer MR will not allow 5.1 surround to be sent out from the MR if you are using HDMI.

So.....no you will not be able to connect your DVD player or cable box with an HDMI cable and expect to pull a 5.1 signal out of the Pioneer MR.

However, you can send the video to the plasma thru HDMI and use an optical connection from your dvd player/cable box to your receiver.

that's a possiblity, but isn't there an issue with an audio delay when trying to run it this way?

I do not know if it is the TV, the cable box, or the connecting cable, but after working flawlessly for 2 months, last night the TV had bright green 1" horizontal bars spaces about 3" apart, and the bars did not remain solid, but had large squares coming off them as the bars moved up and down. This holds true for every channel on the Comcast cable service.

I am trying to figure out the sudden cause. I popped in a tape and the bars did not show, so I figure it is either the cable box, the connecting cable or the TV's ability to process the cable feed.

I called the store and they will be sending someone out in a few days. In the meantime, I asked if I should try rebooting the cable box and they said no, this is something they had heard about.

Does anyone know of this problem? What is it? Can I try to fix it?

I do not know if it is the TV, the cable box, or the connecting cable, but after working flawlessly for 2 months, last night the TV had bright green 1" horizontal bars spaces about 3" apart, and the bars did not remain solid, but had large squares coming off them as the bars moved up and down. This holds true for every channel on the Comcast cable service.

I am trying to figure out the sudden cause. I popped in a tape and the bars did not show, so I figure it is either the cable box, the connecting cable or the TV's ability to process the cable feed.

I called the store and they will be sending someone out in a few days. In the meantime, I asked if I should try rebooting the cable box and they said no, this is something they had heard about.

Does anyone know of this problem? What is it? Can I try to fix it?

Regardless of what they said the first thing I would do is reboot the box... it certainly couldn't hurt to try.

...we had it wall mounted over the fireplace in about 2 hours. i took a pic, but please excuse the quality.

Your set-up is very similar to mine. What do you plan to do to hide the wire, given that you have brick running from floor to ceiling?

Scott

I do not know if it is the TV, the cable box, or the connecting cable, but after working flawlessly for 2 months, last night the TV had bright green 1" horizontal bars spaces about 3" apart, and the bars did not remain solid, but had large squares coming off them as the bars moved up and down. This holds true for every channel on the Comcast cable service.

I am trying to figure out the sudden cause. I popped in a tape and the bars did not show, so I figure it is either the cable box, the connecting cable or the TV's ability to process the cable feed.

I called the store and they will be sending someone out in a few days. In the meantime, I asked if I should try rebooting the cable box and they said no, this is something they had heard about.

Does anyone know of this problem? What is it? Can I try to fix it?

do you have the motorola 6412 cable box? after about a month of use mine goes into "artifact mode" . I can only describe it as lines of mpeg artifacts, pink and green and blue, etc. The only thing that fixes it is to unplug the cable box power for a couple minutes and then plug it back in. Its a known issue with the moto boxes. Doesnt appear when watching a dvr-ed show, or on the menus, only when using the cable box's tuners.

do you have the motorola 6412 cable box? after about a month of use mine goes into "artifact mode" . I can only describe it as lines of mpeg artifacts, pink and green and blue, etc. The only thing that fixes it is to unplug the cable box power for a couple minutes and then plug it back in. Its a known issue with the moto boxes. Doesnt appear when watching a dvr-ed show, or on the menus, only when using the cable box's tuners.

Yes I have the 6412 Phase III box. I also tried playing a DVR recorded program and it too carried the green horizontal lines. I may as well try to reboot the box and see if it helps.

I have the 4360. How can the source signal format be displayed (480, 720, 1080...)? I tried the different display buttons and can't get that info to show.

I have the 4360. How can the source signal format be displayed (480, 720, 1080...)? I tried the different display buttons and can't get that info to show.

Display button, below the directional pad. I dont know if it gives the input resolution for the antenna-tuner inputs, but it does for component and hdmi inputs.

I will check the tuner tonight, but I dont think it does from memory... also, if you hit the screen size button once, it will bring up the display, without actually changing the size.

Pic of remote here (http://www.braham.org/tv/remote.jpg)

Display button, below the directional pad. I dont know if it gives the input resolution for the antenna-tuner inputs, but it does for component and hdmi inputs.

I will check the tuner tonight, but I dont think it does from memory... also, if you hit the display size button once, it will bring up the display, without actually changing the size.

Pic of remote here (http://www.braham.org/tv/remote.jpg)

I tried the display button using OTA HD tuner A and it didn't show. That would be nice to have since my panny does have it to see what the broadcaster's resolution is.

Love the 4360 so far. Only complaint is inability to delete channels from autoscan. I'm annoyed with surfing through all the analog channels just to get to the few digitals. Using favorites button helps but only for 4 channels. I hope Pioneer comes up with a firmware upgrade to fix this.

:cool: Anybody? Media Receiver, loud in standby, anyway to turn it off safely(without overheating the unit)

For anybody that has the same problem, here was my solution that fixed the problem.

Go back to the store if you can and exchange it! I was lucky enough to be still within the first 30 days of my purchase so there was no problem at all in exchanging it. The fan seems to be running at a different speed in the new one. It is a lot quieter. The loud unit was manuf. in OCT. 2005. The new, quieter unit is from NOV. 2005.

... wondering if I should exchange the display now. It makes a bit of a electrical buzz on bright scenes. I have it on power save mode "SAVE2" so it's not too bad but eventually I will want to use the standard power setting as it is the brightest and best picture.

Your set-up is very similar to mine. What do you plan to do to hide the wire, given that you have brick running from floor to ceiling?

Scott

my fireplace had no mantle wheni bought the house. i custom built one myself and had the foresight to make it "L" on one side where it wraps around the brick. i ran my cable straight to the side and slightly wrapped them around the brick. i may try to find a cover of some sort for the umbilical/power or since the umbilical is a very close match to my mortar joints, just affix the cable right over a mortar joint chameleon style. i then cut a hole in the mantle about 1"x1 1/2" to feed the wires through the mantle down the side. i plan on using some cable raceways and painting them to match the wall color to further hide them. they run to my armoire which holds all my A/V equip. one of the biggest pluses the Pioneer's have in my book is the external media receiver. turns a birds nest of wires into two. very easy to manage if you get creative.

Regardless of what they said the first thing I would do is reboot the box... it certainly couldn't hurt to try.

Thanks to you and Malicious for the idea to try the cable box reset. IT WORKED!! No funky green lines anymore, and the TV is looking great once again!

Phew...........

Thanks to you and Malicious for the idea to try the cable box reset. IT WORKED!! No funky green lines anymore, and the TV is looking great once again!

Phew...........

Glad it worked out.

Cheers everybody,

Have a little dilemma. My 4 weeks old Pioneer 1130 has 1 dead (black) pixel about 1 inch from the bottom edge of the display. You can hardly see it during normal viewing. I've talked to my dealer and he wanted to send service guy to look at it. He said that these displays are made differently than older generations and in some cases dead pixels are fixable?!?!. He claimed that they can replace only part of the panel that has a problem?!?! To make the story short he agreed to exchange it. My questions to you guys (Pioneer plasma owners) are:

1. What are your personal experiences with dead, stuck pixels on Pioneers?

2. What are chances of getting replacement unit with bad pixel, or worse, more than one bad pixel?

Thanx,
ToJa

Ok, I am about to throw down my money for a Plasma. It was down to one model, the Pioneer PRO930, but then I discovered the 4360, did a side-by-side comaprison and I can't see any differences other than the tuning options and the stand.

My question of course is: Am I missing something here? Are there any differences in picture quality, or electronics, or inputs, etc?

I don't care if I spend the extra $1000+ on the PRO 930, as long as I know I am buying extra features that add value for me personally. IE am I going to use them regularly. I can't see that the tuning options will mean that much to me, especially since they recommend a professional tune it for you???

I am going to wall mount this, so stand means nothing to me. I am interested in the Pio glass, plasma technology, inputs, seperate box, and removable speakers, Piano black Bezel. All of which the 4360 seem to have.

My last question is, do you guys think I am ok with considering an on-line (authorized by Pioneer) retailer for the 4360?? Seems like a good idea price-wise to get this model. Just want to hear if others had good luck on-line for TVs. The PRO930 has territory restrictions so doesn't seem to be online, so I would get a 930 in-store.

I just need to make a decision, and all this research and information is starting to make me feel like I am suffering from "Burn-In" myself. I don't want to overspend, but also want the peace of mind to know I made the best purchase I could, especially since I spent so much time and effort researching. Again, money is not a concern, as long as I can make sure I am getting the model that best fits my needs. I am not a TV enthusiast, but I am heavily invested in Audio equipment (krell, B&W, VTL, Rotel) so I want a good Plasma to match the quality of the rest of my stuff. TV's I just turn on and watch once they are set-up correctly.

Any help on these two models would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

:)
Got the 5060 this AM but I got home late. I will probably put it all together Friday after work. I have been doing some reading and I have a few setup questions.

1. I was planning on running the cable from the wall to the moto6412 and component to the Media receiver. If I run a second coax line from the wall to the Coax input on the Media receiver will this enable the Picture in Picture on the 5060.

2. Do I need to do the learning channels procedure if I am running component from the Cablebox to the MR thus not using the MR Tuner? Is this functionality only necessary for the TV Guide or If I am not using a cable box?

3. The manual states that Auto-Size only works with the HDMI connection is this infact correct.

4. I have a Moto 6412 VII box so no HDMI, I called Comcast and they said they do not support the HDMI 6412 VIII , I assume just a very dense customer service rep, Supposedly the 12.22 Firmware patch was to correct the lack of DD5.1 on HDMI can anybody confirm this?

5. What are people using for Cable box 6412 settings with the 5060.

Thanks.

Nick

I tried the display button using OTA HD tuner A and it didn't show. That would be nice to have since my panny does have it to see what the broadcaster's resolution is.

Love the 4360 so far. Only complaint is inability to delete channels from autoscan. I'm annoyed with surfing through all the analog channels just to get to the few digitals. Using favorites button helps but only for 4 channels. I hope Pioneer comes up with a firmware upgrade to fix this.

just a note about the remote favorites, you can assign more than one channel to each favorites button.

I assigned all my sports channels to the green one :)

For those of you like myself that have had a problem with entering the Service Mode on your 5060; I have found that I had to disable "auto guide" to be able to access the SM. Worked the first time I tried it. Finding how to delete scanned channels and then finding this tidbit have removed any complaints that I have had about this display.

Hope this helps someone.

So how did you figure out how to delete channels? I saw you other post, about the tv guide, but that seems to simply delete them from the TV guide listing, when you simply use channel up and down, you still have all those unwanted channels....

I've had my 5060 for a week now and I'm loving it. Would love it even more if I could delete some of those nasty SD OTA channels.

I have done a search, but really haven't found what I wanted.

I just bought a 5060HD (can't wait for it to get here Monday!), and am going over what all I need and how I plan to hook it up. I have a Samsung DVD-HD841 DVD player that I got for a good price a while back that I want to hook up. My question is, will it make a bigger difference to use a DVI to HDMI cable to hook it up or should I just use a component cable? I cannot remember if the upconverting feature of the DVD player is only thru the DVI output or not. Plus, I am not sure if I want to upconvert the signal or just send normal signal to the MR of the Pioneer and let it handle it.

Any thoughts for this newbie would be great.

Thanks
Nick

two quick questions:

1. the tv guide option is only available if you use cable, not satellite, correct?

2. what's the best way to connect an OTA antenna? DTV has a local channel HD package, but i can pull those channels with an OTA antenna in my area (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX)

got the HD installed yesterday, and i love the PQ, but am a little disappointed in programming as the basic package only includes 6 channels. i was looking forward to discovery HD, but it's just re runs of american chopper and monster garage.

also, my break in settings for my 4360 are as follows:

contrast -25
brightness -1
color -13
tint 0
i have the Pro settings adjusted as per DNice's post.
power is on save2

has anyone passed the break in point with a 4360/5060 and can provide some settings to use to tweak the PQ? or should i buy AVIA and calibrate it by eye?

i have also tried to vary my viewing to prevent burn in of channel logos. haven't seen anything yet, but i'm just wondering if watching 30min-1hour of a particular channel will make me susceptible of channel logo burn in. The World Poker Tour was on last night and i couldn't take my eyes off it, but i would periodically flip the channels for a second to wipe the card status/channel logo off the screen. after break in this won't be such an issue right?