Official Pioneer 4360/5060/Elite Experiences, Set-up, Questions & Pictures Thread!!! [Text View] - Page 12

PeteG84

02-21-06, 12:17 PM

Image retention and network logos.

Here is a nice test to see if logos are retained on your screen. After watching lets say 1 hr of olympics or a sporting event change the input of your TV where there is no signal for example my setup I have HDMI on Input 1 and 3. Input 2 is not used. Then turn off all lights in your TV room, completely dark and stand up one foot away from TV you should see the imprint clearly. If your TV is new below 100hrs you might still see the score and time or the letters inside the logo ie ABC, etc. If you want to really panic you can takeout your reading glasses and the imprints will appear more clearly.

Now I have noticed after watching network TV if I put on a movie or a program without logo it seems to disappear slowly but you can still see some imprints afterwards . Of course when an image is showing I see none of the imprints even with reading glasses only a foot away but wonders if they will have an effects later on. I hear you can test this using a blue screen or lets say an image where you see blue sky for example that fills most of the screen. The movie Vertical limit is a good one.

I used very low settings for the first 150hrs so time will tell what these imprints will have longer term.

ssabripo

02-21-06, 01:24 PM

No you cannot. Here are some break-in settings for you....

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: +1
Color: -12
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

I've read back to page 60, and STILL cannot find a good DVD to put on the display to burn in overnite.....

anyone have any suggestions?

D-Nice

02-21-06, 01:56 PM

I've read back to page 60, and STILL cannot find a good DVD to put on the display to burn in overnite.....

anyone have any suggestions?

1. I never said the break-in DVD was in this thread...I recommended you search the forum ;)

Here you go.... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=583089

2. Those settings you posted are for a 4360/5060 and NOT a 930/1130.

These settings should work with a 930/1130 connected to a SA8300/3250 or Cable Card.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -5
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Make sure you change the Power Save mode to save2.

ssabripo

02-21-06, 02:05 PM

1. I never said the break-in DVD was in this thread...I recommended you search the forum ;)

Here you go.... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=583089

2. Those settings you posted are for a 4360/5060 and NOT a 930/1130.

These settings should work with a 930/1130 connected to a SA8300/3250 or Cable Card.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -5
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Make sure you change the Power Save mode to save2.

just double checking: these settings are for a breakin period ONLY right? :)

HistoneMaster

02-21-06, 02:09 PM

They are for break in and after - the only thing to change is up the contrast if you want and take off power save two.

Doug

lhamp

02-21-06, 02:12 PM

just double checking: these settings are for a breakin period ONLY right? :)

Break-in:

Contrast: 25

Post Break-in:

Contrast: 30

lhamp

02-21-06, 02:15 PM

They are for break in and after - the only thing to change is up the contrast if you want and take off power save two.

Doug

Taking off the power save will affect the settings.

baimo

02-21-06, 02:24 PM

I've read back to page 60, and STILL cannot find a good DVD to put on the display to burn in overnite.....

anyone have any suggestions?

FOUND IT- GO TO BOTTOM OF PAGE http://www.dvdshrink.info/goodies.php

There is a burn-in dvd iso you can download. Look in the master burn-in thread. If I had the link I would give it to you.
You burn a DVD and it plays 6 colors for 60 seconds per color and then just keeps repeating. Pretty nice. Easy way to get your first couple hundred hours.

Robonaut

02-21-06, 04:22 PM

The lastest issue of the Perfect Vision (#67) has a review of the Pioneer Elite 1130HD.

Did they like it? Well, how's this for an endorsement "All things considered (except price), I haven't been more impressed with any plasma TV".

Damn, I love this thing! :D

spinee

02-21-06, 04:30 PM

ANT1 is the ONLY connection that is HD capable. However, I can have an A-B switch, and as long as I know the actual channels (which I do), then you can just type those directly in (such as 6.1, etc).

sucks, but better than having to rescan everything EVERYTIME :o
this doesn't jibe with my experience...though i have the 5060. since the channel numbers are actually "logical" rather than being tied to specific frequencies, how would the tv know that when you punch in "2.1" it really needs to go to "67.1"?

but since i know the actual UHF channels of all the digital channels in town, i thought that i'd be able to just punch THOSE in and the tv would let me. WRONG. if a digital channel wasn't scanned in, i can't go there.

MaliciousBraham

02-21-06, 04:53 PM

Szarky

02-21-06, 05:00 PM

ssabripo

02-21-06, 05:21 PM

this doesn't jibe with my experience...though i have the 5060. since the channel numbers are actually "logical" rather than being tied to specific frequencies, how would the tv know that when you punch in "2.1" it really needs to go to "67.1"?

but since i know the actual UHF channels of all the digital channels in town, i thought that i'd be able to just punch THOSE in and the tv would let me. WRONG. if a digital channel wasn't scanned in, i can't go there.

I dont have the unit right now, so I can't tell you for sure...BUT, according to Pioneer's tech support, you should be able to type in the number and it will try to go to that frequency....

I believe that when the scanning occurs, it maps a logical table into the freq table, and thus when you are looking at channel 6, is actually mapping to the coaxial channel input at that freq. When you type 6.1, it will try to find that frequency (which was not mapped logically when doing a scan)..

You could be right, and it could all not work as they told me....I will find out soon enough.. :o

MaliciousBraham

02-21-06, 05:25 PM

This topic has been beaten to death but I still haven't found any good answers to the buzzing problem. I have a 4360HD, it buzzes quite loud on bright scenes. Do other people have the same problem? I want to figure out if mine is buzzing more than it should.

The best and easiest test is to hit the tv guide button on your remote. You should see a very bright purple and white screen. Does anyone else hear a loud buzzing at this screen? Make sure your power is set to normal, not save1 or save2 as this fixes the buzzing a little but I want the brightest prossible picture at all times, tha's what I paid for, that's what I'm going to use.

I exchanged my media reciever for a new one because the fans were too loud and it was a huge difference. The fans seemed to be operating at different speeds on the new one. Now I am paranoid that maybe the display I have buzzes too much and if I exchange it(i have less than a week)

1. have you muted the speakers and verified the buzz is coming from the panel?

2. You say you want the brightest picture... have you turned the brightness up any? what are your picture settings?

3. you paid the money, you should be happy. if you want to exchange it, exchange it, all it can be is the same, right? then if you still dont like it, return it. It cant hurt to ask about exchanging just the panel and not the MR.

I have the 1130, so not same size nor model as yours, and you can easily see my settings in my signature link. I have only noticed any buzz when putting my ear almost directly on the panel. Any farther than a foot back or any audio at all and I cant hear it.

Bottom line is you should be happy. Dont feel bad about swapping it or returning it if it turns out to be just an issue you are super-sensitive to.

Szarky

02-21-06, 05:51 PM

1. have you muted the speakers and verified the buzz is coming from the panel?

2. You say you want the brightest picture... have you turned the brightness up any? what are your picture settings?

3. you paid the money, you should be happy. if you want to exchange it, exchange it, all it can be is the same, right? then if you still dont like it, return it. It cant hurt to ask about exchanging just the panel and not the MR.

I have the 1130, so not same size nor model as yours, and you can easily see my settings in my signature link. I have only noticed any buzz when putting my ear almost directly on the panel. Any farther than a foot back or any audio at all and I cant hear it.

Bottom line is you should be happy. Dont feel bad about swapping it or returning it if it turns out to be just an issue you are super-sensitive to.

Brightness is 0, Contrast is 25. I still have to play around with the DVE that came in the mail, just haven't had time lately.

Speakers are muted. Even with audio turned on slightly (around 10-12) I can hear the buzzing in the background sometimes if it is extremely quiet in the room. I have very sensitive ears so I can hear the buzzing frequency seperate from the audio coming out of the speakers. I hate these ears! :D

lhamp

02-21-06, 07:14 PM

Brightness is 0, Contrast is 25. I still have to play around with the DVE that came in the mail, just haven't had time lately.

Speakers are muted. Even with audio turned on slightly (around 10-12) I can hear the buzzing in the background sometimes if it is extremely quiet in the room. I have very sensitive ears so I can hear the buzzing frequency seperate from the audio coming out of the speakers. I hate these ears! :D

Have you noticed whether the buzzing lessens the longer you have the plasma on? I've noticed that when I first turn mine on and it's on a white/very bright screen it's louder than when the plasma has been on for a while.

Pioneers do tend to be louder than others... this is my third plasma and it's by far the loudest... it's also by far my favorite.

Also... some people are definitely more sensitive to the buzzing that others... for example, my brother (who is as into this stuff as I am) doesn't notice it at all... my wife doesn't notice it either... but I definitely hear it.

Finally... I also think that my 930 has gotten quiter over time (I got it in October)... don't know if that makes any sense at all, but it's my general impression.

mefromfl

02-21-06, 08:57 PM

squiredogs

02-21-06, 09:59 PM

getting close to buying in the next month... I will be using comcat digital cable. Is there a way to set a comcast motorola box so that 4:3 SD shows will have black sidebars, rather than grey? I know of the kooky black and white mirrored sidebars, and the normal grey, but I really prefer black if the original source was 4:3. I'm still looking as the SXRD and the Bravia LCD's, but the pioneer is my first choice. My wife woon't go for it if SD gives grey sidebars. (after 100 hours, of course.)

lhamp

02-21-06, 10:02 PM

FOUND IT- GO TO BOTTOM OF PAGE http://www.dvdshrink.info/goodies.php

There is a burn-in dvd iso you can download. Look in the master burn-in thread. If I had the link I would give it to you.
You burn a DVD and it plays 6 colors for 60 seconds per color and then just keeps repeating. Pretty nice. Easy way to get your first couple hundred hours.

Excellent download... in addition to breaking in your panal it works well in "cleaning it up" if you have any image retention issues. I was using white screens in the SM, but I like to rotating color aspect of this program.

Bagel123

02-21-06, 11:33 PM

These settings should work with a 930/1130 connected to a SA8300/3250 or Cable Card.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -5
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Make sure you change the Power Save mode to save2.[/QUOTE]
D-Nice - I have an 1130 coming this Saturday and have three quick questions.
1) These settings (that I know you have posted many times) - can I assume these are essentially what someone might arrive at after a self-calibration via Avia or DVE? If so, would it even be necessary to use one of these DVDs in advance of a professional calibration after break in?
2) Do these settings take into account any kind of zoom mode to eliminate bars during break in, or is this a separate step?
2) Is SA Scientific Atlanta? I have time warner cable bringing me an HD box later this week (I'm in NC) and have no idea what I will be getting. Any insight you have would be helpful.

Appreciate your patient posts to the new guys...

Bagel123

02-21-06, 11:35 PM

D-Nice - see previous message. Was trying to quote you, not take credit for the settings, etc. Trying to learn the system here as you can see...

D-Nice

02-21-06, 11:47 PM

1) These settings (that I know you have posted many times) - can I assume these are essentially what someone might arrive at after a self-calibration via Avia or DVE? If so, would it even be necessary to use one of these DVDs in advance of a professional calibration after break in?

No. These setting were created with HDNet's test patterns. They are not for DVD and could not be created from DVE/Avia due to you needing a HD signal for these settings.

2) Do these settings take into account any kind of zoom mode to eliminate bars during break in, or is this a separate step?

Nope. Zoom if you must but if you vary your viewing, you would never have to zoom ;)

2) Is SA Scientific Atlanta? I have time warner cable bringing me an HD box later this week (I'm in NC) and have no idea what I will be getting. Any insight you have would be helpful.

Correct. You guys use passport firmware for your SA boxes. We use SARA....you may have to tweak the settings slightly for that variance.

mhfnet

02-22-06, 12:58 AM

I wanted to mention a few things I learned about video settings on my 1130. I got the following color temperature settings from a owner who had his 1130 calibrated and he told me to set everything to "0" except the "G high" to -5 and "B high" to -9. From what I can tell these settings seem pretty darn accurate to my eye as the standard "mid-low" color temp was a little to warm and "mid" was a little to cool but when I use his settings it looked just right. When I put on the linear grey ramp from AVIA it looked neutral grey with no color variation from light to dark, which is a good indicator of an accurate grey scale. He also told me (which also agrees with the Sound and Vision and AVGuide reviews of the 1130) that in the "Pure" mode, the primary colors are pretty close to ideal so there is not much need to mess with the color management settings unless your STB or DVD player has color issues. I looked at the color bars from my HDTIVO (HDNET calibration video) and HTPC (AVIA DVD) through the HDMI inputs and the colors look nearly identical, on either input, and pretty darn accurate to my eye i.e. red looks red (not orange-red like I've seen on a lot of plasmas), green looks green (not lime green like I've seen on a lot of plasmas) and blue looks blue. I also like the DNR on high as the Pioneer's have a little too much dither noise for my taste, which I could even see from my normal viewing distance 9 feet away, and as the reviewer pointed out in the AVguide review of the 1130, DNR significantly reduces the dither noise without any noticable loss in sharpness, which is very impressive. I also like CTI on as it really cleans up edges without making things look unnatural. Turning on DRE and black level are a matter or taste as the black level is pretty darn good even with them off and looks more natural to me. Here is a summary of my settings so far:

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 30 (I know mine 1130 has not reach 100 hours but I have seen no image retention issues even at this setting but 25 is probably a better "safe" setting)
Brightness: 0
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: 0
G High: -5
B High: -9
R Low: 0
G Low: 0
B Low: 0
CTI: On

Color Management:
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

NR:
DNR: High
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2

Others:
I-P Mode: 2

As you can see I have not made any radical changes in the settings as I feel that the 1130 is pretty darn accurate in the "Pure" mode, which tends to agree with what the pro reviews are saying about the 1130. One last note, I suspect that the color temperature settings will really only work well for an 1130 and not an 930, but I could be wrong. Let me know what people think after trying these out.

chukiechz

02-22-06, 01:24 AM

just joined this forum, and I just have to add that this thread is extremely helpful. I just got my 1130 delievered and installed today along with a denon 1190 dvd player. Its driving me nuts with all these settings because I cant decide what looks better. I also have a DTV HD DVR to watch local channels through the feed and DTV HD content.

m99037

02-22-06, 10:09 AM

I thank anyone and everyone for their advice on this thread. It is very helpful.

Just got the 5060 running a few weeks ago with HD cable box (explorer 8300?) Everything has looked wonderful and amazing coming from standard TV until now.

Problem is: lower half of the diplay shows horizontal lines which seem to be a partial repeat of the upper half of the screen- very annoying and ruins the enjoyment.

Problem occurs: 1. ice hockey, speed skating (winter olympics) 2. panoramic beach scenes with sand and moving waves.

I've tried altering settings, but can't resove the problem.

display is connected via high quality component cable.

Any insights? Did you ever find the cause. I have tride everthing. I recorded it with my tivo hd and with the plasma off so it has to be comming from station as far as I can tell also get it on the off/air antenna and also cable. most all other hd programing is great.

Robonaut

02-22-06, 10:21 AM

ssabripo

02-22-06, 10:35 AM

anyone here with a an Elite that is using an OTA antenna or has one?

could you please just try a quick test for me?? If you have a cable box, etc, already plugged in into ANT A connection in the media box, could you just plug in your OTA antenna directly onto it and see if you can pickup another channel by directly punching the channel number in?

you can get a list of the channels in your area here: www.antennaweb.org

a million thanks in advance! :o

mhfnet

02-22-06, 11:16 AM

[QUOTE=mhfnet] I think turning on DRE and black level are a matter or taste as the black level is pretty darn good even with them off and looks more natural to me. QUOTE]

Just curious--were you able to see any difference with black level on or off, because I've played with it in the past on various DVDs and was never to see any difference.

If you did see a difference, can you recommend any test patterns or scenes for DVD which show what the black level control is doing?

I agree that you won't see much difference. On the HDNET test pattern there are stepped grey scale boxes with numbers inside starting from 1 (white) to 10 (near black) and with black level on, the number in box 10 gets crushed but the box does not appear any blacker, that's why I don't like black level on as I think it crushes subtle black details. I also don't like DRE on as is my opinion is accentuates contrast to much where scenes have a lot of "pop" but look unnatural to me. Now this might be true for good HD/SD material, which is 80% or more of my viewing, but on poor material turning DRE would probably have some benefit. Just my 2 cents.

DarthMoprheus

02-22-06, 11:44 AM

Can someone please help me with the setting for H20 with 4360? What should I set the H20 to or the 4360? The picture looks ok, but there are still some pixelation at the edges. I'm watching American Idol, and it doesn't look so good to me.

I have the H20 as well along with a 5060. Break in has already occured and D-Nice's settings have been perfect since then. But is there a custom H20 setting out there? I haven't seen it on this thread, but trying to find settings in 93 pages gets a bit tough.
So bump, bump and thanks for any help.

Ashlan

02-22-06, 12:28 PM

If you are using a cable card from your cable co then yes you will have to choose between that and the OTA antenna. If you have a cable box, no as your cable box should be connected to the MR thru component or HDMI/DVI.

Well, I just got the digital "starter" package from Comcast, so my dinky lil cable box has just two output options... the good old yellow/red/white video/audio outs or the normal cable out. SO currently I left it like the cable guy set it up.... from wall to STB to MR antenna B in.

Since I am not getting HD over cable, does it matter much if I switch it over to the other inputs and use my OTA into antenna B? Cause I did a quick test and I can get a bunch of digital/hd signals OTA.

Thanks for answering the n00bish question.

ssabripo

02-22-06, 01:14 PM

Well, I just got the digital "starter" package from Comcast, so my dinky lil cable box has just two output options... the good old yellow/red/white video/audio outs or the normal cable out. SO currently I left it like the cable guy set it up.... from wall to STB to MR antenna B in.

Since I am not getting HD over cable, does it matter much if I switch it over to the other inputs and use my OTA into antenna B? Cause I did a quick test and I can get a bunch of digital/hd signals OTA.

Thanks for answering the n00bish question.

Ashlan....actually, you can do a quick test and kill two birds with one stone for us (and me ;) ) :

1. Plug your STB to the ANT A connection and scan..... your MR should now have all the channels from the cable (no HD, I assume)

2. Next, remove the cable connection, and plug in your OTA HD antenna into ANT A again, and just punch in the channel number of the OTA channel you previously had (or memorize it, etc)....... see if you can capture it now.

Let me know what results you get....

baimo

02-22-06, 03:36 PM

I have the H20 as well along with a 5060. Break in has already occured and D-Nice's settings have been perfect since then. But is there a custom H20 setting out there? I haven't seen it on this thread, but trying to find settings in 93 pages gets a bit tough.
So bump, bump and thanks for any help.

I have not used avia or spyder yet but, these look good to me with the H20 and both my 1130 and 4360. This is off the top of my head.
FWIW

AV Selection: USER
Contrast: 23
Brightness: 0
Color: -22
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pure Cinema: ADV

POWER
SAVE2

I believe the rest of the settingsI left alone. I only have aprox 150 hours on each. I should calibrate them, but am having to muchh pleasure just watching them.
I really love these Pioneer models after having bought and returned the 4214HD(POS)

DMP2722

02-22-06, 07:10 PM

CHI-HD

02-22-06, 09:11 PM

I saw the 1130 and the panny 42" next to each other at Tweeter and thought the opposite. The Pioneer had a sharper picture and better color.

As for 720P and 1080i, many people claim not to see a difference, I think it varies on content.. ABC uses 720P for football while CBS uses 1080i, I like the CBS picture better on my RPTV.

ssabripo

02-22-06, 09:33 PM

I returned an SXRD XBR for the 1130....one both tweeter and magnolia, of all the sets (plasmas, lcds, rptvs, etc) the two that stood out head and shoulders above the rest were the Pioneer Elites and the Fujistus...

different strokes for different folks

Bagel123

02-22-06, 11:34 PM

Thanks. Just to clarify, these settings are most appropriate for viewing high def TV, whereas other settings (tweaks) may be better for watching DVDs?

liy

02-23-06, 07:57 AM

Well, have now had an extended period of time to play around with settings for my Pio 1130. Using Malicious' settings, starting with "Pure", I have found settings that I like a lot (note: using InHD Tune-up those settings have been adjusted to Color at +14 and Brightness at -5).

However, as "Pure" is a universal mode, switching to DVD (Panny RP-91, Component Cables, 480-i), the settings are obviously wrong (as tested with Avia).

I would like to emulate the Pure mode on the Input 1 "User" mode. Here's the question: Is there a way to extrapolate from "Pure Mode" to "User Mode"?

Any thoughts on this subject will be greatly appreciated!

LIY

CHolleman

02-23-06, 08:17 AM

i've had my 4360 for about 2 weeks and i love it, but i have a question concerning what i hope is signal related and not the tv.

every so often while i'm watching tv (only on the local SD channels ABC, CBS, NBC so far) the picture will do what i can only describe as macroblocking. i'm not sure if this really is macroblocking as i haven't ever seen it before. i'm just going off what i've read about it. the screen slows down and pixellates into about 1inch square blocks and then returns to normal. like i said, it doesn't happen very often. i have D*TV and a using the H20 box via HDMI. i think it's either network related or coming from the box or dish. I'e never seen it on a DVD or on the cable channels that i can remember. i just want to make sure it's what i think it is and nothing else.

other than that, i LOVE this tv. most of the other SD channels look great (travel, discovery, FX, HGTV, etc..) still trying to find the best way to get the settings though. anyone know how to set the greyscale via the SM? i don't want to get all crazy into the calibration since i know very little, but i've heard just getting the grey scale right can make a huge difference.

i found a post in the display calibration forum that was a little disheartening. someone called pioneer and the pio rep said that only the elite models can be ISF calibrated. the non-elites don't have accessible adjustments even in the SM. does this sound right? i can find the post if anyone would like. thanks!

jacksonian

02-23-06, 08:19 AM

Please Help!

I'm out of town, but my wife just called and said she tried to turn on the 4360 this morning and this is what she saw:

Screen was black except for a blue box at the bottom of the screen with this written in it:
[yellow triangle with exclamation point] Wait, warming up. Plasma TV

She said she left the set on for about 20 minutes and tried turning it on and off, but nothing changed. Does anyone know what this is?

RichardJMartin

02-23-06, 08:28 AM

I just wanted to throw something out there as food for thought...every place I have seen a 5060 (or 5061 at Best Buy) there have been obvious dead sub-pixels. Obvious that is if you are 2-3 feet from the screen and look to find them. I have seen them at 3 different stores and there were dead pixels on all of them. I only saw an 1130 at 1 store and didn't notice any dead pixels. Knowing this, and assuming my chances of having dead sub-pixels on a 5060 was fairly good, I decided to purchase one anyway since I could get one at a really good price. As expected, I got my 5060 home and hooked it up and have 3 sub-pixel problems. On 2 pixels the red doesn't work (green and blue work fine), and on 1 pixel, the green doesn't work (red and blue are fine). Is this just coincidence or does Pioneer indeed use panels with fewer pixel problems for the 1130's? Maybe to be able to have less wasted panels Pioneer has decided that "X" number of problem pixels is acceptable and will sell them regardless, they are certainly very clear about expecting pixel problems in the owners manual. Is this an industry trend? As prices continue to fall, do manufactures have to drop there QA standard to continue to make money?

Rich

lhamp

02-23-06, 08:49 AM

KirkP

02-23-06, 09:07 AM

I just received delivery yesterday on a 5061. Beautiful pic (superior to the Samsung I returned)...but, unfortunately, I'm a victim of the stuck pixel problem. I have one red stuck pixel in the middle of the screen and three green ones along the bottom. Truth be told, the only one I notice with regular viewing is the middle one. If I exchanged this unit, it almost seems that there will be stuck pixels...however, the question is where. Is that fair? If true, I suppose that it can't be worse than having a red one in the middle so I may as well take the gamble. Just so frustrating because this unit is just one short step away from perfection (in my eyes).

dukmahsik

02-23-06, 09:51 AM

lhamp

02-23-06, 09:54 AM

I would return it without a second thought, you paid for a perfectly new set, might as well get it :)

I agree 100%... and I'm not sure why you're assuming the new plasma will have stuck pixels... it shouldn't... and if it does, return that one as well.

Robonaut

02-23-06, 10:05 AM

I looked at the 1130 at Tweeter is was below a 42 Panny. I thought the Panny had much better detail and sales guy said it was because the 42 Panny was the same resolution in a small screen so the detail would be sharper. I felt it was more of a settings issue but they did not have the remote to check out the settings. I prefer a clean detailed picture. The feed was the same on both sets Tweeter special Hard Drive produced feed they carry in all their stores. On the Panny I could see the rock detail on the 1130 it was there but very soft looking. I was hoping as I said it may have been a setting that accounted for this. Any feed back?

Also my next question is concerning the 720p resolution. I am sitting 10 feet from the set. From what I have read I will not be able to physically see the difference of a 1080 plasma at 10 feet. Is this true?

The salesman was not telling the truth--the 42" Panasonic does *not* have the same resolution as the 1130HD. The Panasonic's resolution is 1,024X768 while the 1130HD has a resolution of 1280X768. So, the Pioneer is the one with the higher resolution.

As for the differences you saw, I can think of a couple explanations off the top of my head. One is that the 1130HD might have been hooked up over component while the Panasonic might have been connected via HDMI. Another is that the Sharpness control on the Pioneer could have been set very low.

Sound and Vision and The Perfect Vision both recently reviewed the 1130HD and both magazines essentially said that it is the best plasma they have yet seen. I don't think that you will ever regret getting the 1130HD (I certainly haven't!).

As for the 720p vs 1080p issues, I haven't personally seen a 1080p set being fed a 1080p signal, so I can't comment on how visable the difference is.

KirkP

02-23-06, 10:09 AM

My assumption is based on yesterday's experience and Richard's post above (which was made in reference to other posts throughout this thread). Perhaps I'm just unlucky and unduly focusing on the pixel posts as representative of the 5060 population. I definitely have to exchange it because I'm not watching tv...I'm watching that pixel. The PQ is too amazing for that (my wife was shocked at the difference between the Pioneer and the returned Samsung...how they could think mandatory DNIe was a good idea, I'll never know).

dukmahsik

02-23-06, 10:34 AM

hi to everyone with the 43 in sets. I am wondering what is your viewing distance? my viewing distance is about 8-9 ft. I am thinking 50 in maybe a tad too big?

liy

02-23-06, 10:56 AM

You would think that User modes would be "Pure"... never could figure that out. Anyway... the only thing you can do is recalibrate for that input/mode... which is what most of us have done.

Well, yes. But I think the real question I have is that after viewing in the Pure Mode, there is an unprocessed look to the picture which - after viewing for a while- I find very appealing. Is it possible to achieve the same look and feel using the User mode? And it would be helpful (and certainly save a lot of time) if someone could indicate how the settings in the two modes (Pure and User) relate to each other.

LIY

mhfnet

02-23-06, 11:16 AM

hi to everyone with the 43 in sets. I am wondering what is your viewing distance? my viewing distance is about 8-9 ft. I am thinking 50 in maybe a tad too big?

In my opinion a 50" plasma is ideal for viewing 8 to 9 feet away. That is where I sit with my 50" and I think it is perfect for watching good quality SD/HD material which is 80% of my viewing. It is also as perfect compromise if you plan to use a PC with your plasma.

This also agrees with what I have found using this excellent viewing distance calculator at http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html. The maximum recommended THX viewing distance for a 50" screen is 8 feet and if you go any further back than 10 feet you start to lose resolution (extrapolated for a 720P display). Based on real video material I found that 8 to 9 feet is about ideal for a 50" plasma. If you believe that reasoning, you would have to sit almost a foot and a half closer on a 43" to get the same viewing angle.

mhfnet

02-23-06, 11:22 AM

Well, yes. But I think the real question I have is that after viewing in the Pure Mode, there is an unprocessed look to the picture which - after viewing for a while- I find very appealing. Is it possible to achieve the same look and feel using the User mode? And it would be helpful (and certainly save a lot of time) if someone could indicate how the settings in the two modes (Pure and User) relate to each other.

LIY

There is a good explaination of what the pure mode does in the AVguide review of the Pioneer 1130 which is basically that Pioneer set the Pure mode to have the most accurate colors possible which was confirmed by the measurements done by the reviewer. Whether pure mode does anything else I am not sure.

Update: I just looked at the Pioneer explaination of the pure mode and I quote:

"This mode delivers pictures without any enhancement (Gamma, Color, Tint, Sharpness, etc), minimizing the artifacts of extra video processing."

dukmahsik

02-23-06, 11:30 AM

In my opinion a 50" plasma is ideal for viewing 8 to 9 feet away. That is where I sit with my 50" and I think it is perfect for watching good quality SD/HD material which is 80% of my viewing. It is also as perfect compromise if you plan to use a PC with your plasma.

This also agrees with what I have found using this excellent viewing distance calculator at http://www.myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html. The maximum recommended THX viewing distance for a 50" screen is 8 feet and if you go any further back than 10 feet you start to lose resolution (extrapolated for a 720P display). Based on real video material I found that 8 to 9 feet is about ideal for a 50" plasma. If you believe that reasoning, you would have to sit almost a foot and a half closer on a 43" to get the same viewing angle.

wow thanks! one of the reason why im a bit more hesitant about 50in is that I get a bit of a headache watching TV on large screens after some time.

mhfnet

02-23-06, 11:34 AM

i found a post in the display calibration forum that was a little disheartening. someone called pioneer and the pio rep said that only the elite models can be ISF calibrated. the non-elites don't have accessible adjustments even in the SM. does this sound right? i can find the post if anyone would like. thanks!

That is BS as I have talked to a ISF tech who has calibrated both Elites and non-Elites as he said that he could calibrated either to have the same PQ. The only advantage of the Elite is that is has special ISF C3 day/night settings that can be enabled during calibration, assuming he has the Pioneer software needed to do this.

MaliciousBraham

02-23-06, 11:35 AM

CHolleman

02-23-06, 11:37 AM

That is BS as I have talked to a ISF tech who has calibrated both Elites and non-Elites as he said that he could calibrated either to have the same PQ. The only advantage of the Elite is that is has special ISF C3 day/night settings that can be enabled during calibration, assuming he has the Pioneer software needed to do this.

thanks i didn't think that sounded right. any info about greyscale through the SM? is it something i could do?

MaliciousBraham

02-23-06, 11:40 AM

lhamp

02-23-06, 12:19 PM

I have left mine on PURE. So far, have not noticed any problems using PURE to adjust on other inputs as well. I too like the PURE mode better than the others. You can get close to PURE on other user modes through adjustment though.

The problem with that, as I'm sure you know, is that Pure is not "input specific", like the USER modes... so that means you'd have to manually change your settings every time you switched from HD to DVD.

I'm using PURE for HD and USER for DVD... I believe I've gotten close to PURE via adjustments.

But as I said earlier, I can't for the life of me figure out why all the USER modes aren't PURE.

DarthMoprheus

02-23-06, 01:22 PM

I have not used avia or spyder yet but, these look good to me with the H20 and both my 1130 and 4360. This is off the top of my head.
FWIW

AV Selection: USER
Contrast: 23
Brightness: 0
Color: -22
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pure Cinema: ADV

POWER
SAVE2

I believe the rest of the settingsI left alone. I only have aprox 150 hours on each. I should calibrate them, but am having to muchh pleasure just watching them.
I really love these Pioneer models after having bought and returned the 4214HD(POS)

Thanks for the setting's I'll try these out for sure!

mhfnet

02-23-06, 02:08 PM

thanks i didn't think that sounded right. any info about greyscale through the SM? is it something i could do?

Sure but there is a ton of cryptic adjustments in the SM and unless you have a service manual, the proper measurement equipment, and most importantly know what you are doing, it is kind of a scrapshoot and risky. That's why I bought an Elite because you can easily make greyscale and color adjustments via the user menus and if you don't like your adjustments just hit reset. You can get a plasma ISF calibrated for about $250 to $400 depending on how many inputs/resolutions you want calibrated. I highly recommend the guys at LionAV.com.

Whiskyecho

02-23-06, 02:16 PM

hi to everyone with the 43 in sets. I am wondering what is your viewing distance? my viewing distance is about 8-9 ft. I am thinking 50 in maybe a tad too big?

I've had my 5060 for a little over a week and have it set-up right at 9 feet (so as to work behind with setting-up component cables). I'll eventually move it back about another 1 1/2 feet but 9 feet ISN'T too close for a 50 incher.....bill :cool:

Viventis

02-23-06, 04:12 PM

I've had my 5060 for a little over a week and have it set-up right at 9 feet (so as to work behind with setting-up component cables). I'll eventually move it back about another 1 1/2 feet but 9 feet ISN'T too close for a 50 incher.....bill :cool:

I had mine at 10 feet and just pushed my couch closer. Now, I must admit that some analog SD channels look bad enough that I should be in the next room to watch them. I almost couldn't stand watching my Tar Heels whip NC State last night.

ssabripo

02-23-06, 05:44 PM

Anyone using straight cable off the wall into your MR, and if so, how good is the unscrambled QAM reception?

MaliciousBraham

02-23-06, 06:07 PM

Anyone using straight cable off the wall into your MR, and if so, how good is the unscrambled QAM reception?

It depends on your provider... I have comcast, full digital package + HD channels. If I run cable into MR, I only catch about half the un-encrypted HD channels. Its just something about the way the local comcast has their settings. If I manually type the channel numbers in, then I pick up everything and can add them in the list.

OTA I tried and the scan was able to pick up everything broadcast in my area no problems.

I split my cable, one end to cable box (connected through HDMI 1) and the other end to ANT A. My scan on ANT A picks up everything except a few of the HD channels (as said above), and the TVGUIDE updates fine, although the local comcast listings arent correct in GEMSTAR's guide. Once again, Comcast's fault, not the tv's.

Mista Dobalina

02-23-06, 07:46 PM

ssabripo

02-23-06, 09:46 PM

It depends on your provider... I have comcast, full digital package + HD channels. If I run cable into MR, I only catch about half the un-encrypted HD channels. Its just something about the way the local comcast has their settings. If I manually type the channel numbers in, then I pick up everything and can add them in the list.

OTA I tried and the scan was able to pick up everything broadcast in my area no problems.

I split my cable, one end to cable box (connected through HDMI 1) and the other end to ANT A. My scan on ANT A picks up everything except a few of the HD channels (as said above), and the TVGUIDE updates fine, although the local comcast listings arent correct in GEMSTAR's guide. Once again, Comcast's fault, not the tv's.

That's outstanding news.....!!

so let me get this straight...perhaps you can try it out for me or perhaps you already have:

1. so are you saying that when you hooked up the cable straight from the wall (or splitter) into ANT A, you were able to pick up the unscrambled QAM, right? Then, did you just unplug that, and put your OTA antenna and see if you could manually get to the OTA channels without "rescanning"???

that would be awesome news if you can do that.....

Viventis

02-24-06, 12:16 AM

Sorry if this question was already asked. I just got a Pio 5060 (love it) and I just picked up a SA 8300 HDTV DVR (TWC) today. It's hooked up via component cable running 1080i. When I tune to a HD channel, I get gray side bars. How do I get rid of or change the bars black? Do I adjust the settings on the plasma or on the DVR? What should the settings be? Will it matter if I'm using component or HDMI? Thanks in advance.

The side bars on HD channels are put there by the stations, not the TV. You can't change them. What is happenning is that an HD channel is always broadcasting in 16x9. When non HD, 4:3 material is broadcast on an HD channel, the station adds the side bars to make the picture 16x9. Watch ESPN HD and you will see the customized side bars that channel uses. I wish more stations did the same thing.

LamJNS

02-24-06, 12:35 AM

Figured some people would be interested. Looks like Pioneer is ready for 1080p 50" by June.

PRO-FHD1
Elite 50" 1080p Plasma Monitor
Suggested Price: $10,000.00

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/plasma/detail/page/0,,2076_278256763_290043890,00.html

I have been in touch with my local dealer, he estimates based on their cost about 32-37% below list.

We'll see the difference in June.

Enigma

02-24-06, 01:43 AM

Well I just got my 5060 tonite. Bought from TVAuthority (thanks, Cammy :) ), which was a very good experience as far as helpful info, sales and customer service knowlege; etc. There seems to be some issues between their warehouse/shipping folks and the trucking co, but they got it straightened out and it got here as per the last update.

Anyway, I have been reading this thread for a while, and have been interested in the Pio since the announcement last year about new models with much better blacks. I have been living with a Sony AliS 42" for the last 5 years (great pq on well lit HD, problems with low contrast/dark stuff). I have been very impressed with most all of the reviews I've seen as well (pro and internet forum). I love Panny blacks, but it seems as though they cut some corners on inputs, electronics (see measured res by Home Theater Mag); plus I really like the way the Pio looks. I bought an Elite stand off Ebay, and it looks great.

Thus far I've set it up per some of the many "break-in" recommendations (thanks guys); and have started watching various material and learning the menu's etc.

So far I have seen no dead or stuck pixels. Anyone have a best way to check? (I just went up to the screen while playing normal mat'l; seems like either a white screen or black screen might be better?).

So far I'm very impressed, but I'm going to withold gushing until I've spent a little more time with it.

I do have one question. The manual says that the TVGuide function works with OTA, as well as cable, etc. I have D* HDTiVo (right now feeding via component for operational simplicity, will try HDMI later); but I also have OTA. I have installed a splitter in the OTA antenna feed to the TiVo and connected this to Antenna "A" input. Then I went thru the TVGuide setup; telling it I do not have cable but do have an antenna. The tuner works great , and I'm able to do PIP with the TiVo source, etc. Maybe I'm missing something though, because I can't figure out how the TVGuide is supposed to get populated when not connected to Cable. Is there some guide info broadcast somehow, or have I mis-understood the explanation? I don't really need the guide, but this has me curious.

BTW, it's amazing how much larger a 50" looks than a 42" in my home. Between the extra size, great blacks and shadow detail, lack of false-contouring, etc (plus more and newer inputs) this is quite a step up for me vs. the old Sony. The internal tuner is nice also, as now I'll be able to record two OTA programs at once while watching a 3rd on the Pio's tuner (the Sony was a monitor).

PAnoah6791

02-24-06, 01:52 AM

CHolleman

02-24-06, 08:27 AM

Hi guys,
I have had my 4360 up and running for a couple of weeks now - it is beautiful, everything works great and the picture is incredible. I'm not sure how many hours I have on it (is there a way to check?), but I am definitely not through the 100-200 hour break-in period. I have been very careful to avoid 4:3 viewing and have used D-Nice's break in settings. Last night a friend brought over his PS2 and we played NCAA Hoops for a couple of hours. Today, I turned off all the lights in the room and put it on an input that had nothing plugged in. I then got up close to the screen and noticed some minor (what appeared to be) image retention of the EA logo in the bottom left of the screen, as well as the outline of the scoreboard. It was only visible when I turned off all of the lights in the room and got up close to the screen, so I assume (hope) that it is only what I think it is, minor image retention. I just watched TV normally just as I would had today, and at this point it seems that it has disapperaed. Did I do the right thing by just watching regular TV, and should I avoid playing video games on it until we have finished the break-in period?

Thanks!

image retention will go away after awhile with normal viewing, but becareful to vary your viewing with regards to static images. the phosphors in the panel are more susceptible to burn in during the first 100-200 hours so i'd avoid anymore gaming on there until you've passed. also, keeping the brightness and contrast turned down will help to avoid future occurences. i liked the Power Save2 feature which i felt helped to prevent burn in even further. vary your viewing, no black bars, keep the settings low and you should be good to go. i have to tell you, i'm a poker fan and this is my first plasma as well. i was paranoid as hell during the break in with the card and pot windows on the WPT and celebrity poker showdown. i'd change the channel every 20 minutes or so, but evidently only marathon viewing of shows with static images can hurt.

oh, a tip that i found useful: under power options in the menu, there is a setting that turns off the panel after 3 hours of no user input or input signal. my girlfriend likes to fall asleep on the couch and it's like having a built in sleep timer. only you don't have to remember to set it. i just hope she never falls asleep during a DVD. ;)

TommmyJ

02-24-06, 09:09 AM

I thought my 4360 was free of stuck pixels but after viewing the blue, green and red screens on DVE I discovered one stuck pixel on blue only. It is on the very far left side of the screen and really can't be seen at viewing distance. It is not as bad as the first one I had delivered because the first 4360's burnt pixel was totally dead and appeared on white or lighter screens and could be seen from viewing distance. I am starting to think that these 4360's and 5060's are more prone to stuck pixels because the one I saw at Best buy had one, my first 4360 that was delivered had one and now my current 4360 has one. Is it likely that this pixel that does not work on blue will burn out or stop functioning entirely? Thanks

CHolleman

02-24-06, 09:25 AM

not as an insult to anyone, but i don't understand the hoopla over a dead pixel. there are thousands upon thousands of pixels on any given PDP. nothing man made is ever going to be perfect and the fact that they got 99.9999% of the other pixels right is a hell of an achievement. if the pixel noticeabley detracted from viewing (extremely noticeable) or a cluster of them went out, that's one thing, but to nit pick over a pixel you can't even see is a waste of time imo. i haven't checked for pixels and frankly i don't care to. i probably have at least one dead, and it hasn't bothered me yet. ignorance is bliss or so they say. i understand that when you pay thousands of dollars for a PDP, you expect perfection, but what are you gonna do? send it back? and if the new one has problems, where does it stop? 3,4,5 panels? just be happy with what you have. sorry if i pissed anyone off.

jstorerj

02-24-06, 09:34 AM

not as an insult to anyone, but i don't understand the hoopla over a dead pixel.

i tend to agree (IMHO, YMMV)... if i did find a dead/stuck pixel it would probably bother me, so i'm not going to get up close with a test pattern and look. ignorance IS bliss.

TommmyJ

02-24-06, 09:56 AM

I agree that I shouldn't have even looked at the colored screens on DVE but others were spotting stuck pixels on certain colors only so I checked mine and sure enough. Like I said it can't be seen at my viewing distance so I am going to forget about it and keep enjoying it. I am getting close to the 200hr mark and looks better all of the time.

MaliciousBraham

02-24-06, 12:14 PM

That's outstanding news.....!!

so let me get this straight...perhaps you can try it out for me or perhaps you already have:

1. so are you saying that when you hooked up the cable straight from the wall (or splitter) into ANT A, you were able to pick up the unscrambled QAM, right? Then, did you just unplug that, and put your OTA antenna and see if you could manually get to the OTA channels without "rescanning"???

that would be awesome news if you can do that.....

Well, that may seem great, but the channels the HD stations sit on are not the same as the guide. And in fact, vary with your location on the cable network. The guide is just a map that translates calls to other frequencies, so when the guide might say a channel is on 195, its actually just a redirect to 94.3 or something like that. When you manually type them in, you have to type in 94.3, not 195 as the cable box guide would have. At least this is the way comcast does it.

As far as OTA, i havent tried it. There is a setting in the menu for the tuner for antenna vs cable, so you may have to change that option before it would work. You can download the manual and see the options...

bmorenc

02-24-06, 01:27 PM

Hello all, after following these Pioneer threads since the 4th generation I would just like to announce that I am now a member of the Pio club. I got my 5060 Wednesday. I am reserving total judgement until after break-in and retuning but so far I am very happy with the SD performance and DVD's are great! I won't have HD Dish Network for another couple of weeks so comments on that will have to wait. The only problem is the buzzing! I thought I was safe from this with the 6th generation but I guess not. This thing is loud. Everyone in the room noticed it when we turned it on. Not subtle at all, even in Power Save 2 mode. What a bummer. Not something you want to have to deal with after getting a new, otherwise great, toy.

ssabripo

02-24-06, 02:05 PM

Well, that may seem great, but the channels the HD stations sit on are not the same as the guide. And in fact, vary with your location on the cable network. The guide is just a map that translates calls to other frequencies, so when the guide might say a channel is on 195, its actually just a redirect to 94.3 or something like that. When you manually type them in, you have to type in 94.3, not 195 as the cable box guide would have. At least this is the way comcast does it.

As far as OTA, i havent tried it. There is a setting in the menu for the tuner for antenna vs cable, so you may have to change that option before it would work. You can download the manual and see the options...

I think I'm not saying things correctly....let me see if I can say it in simpler terms:

When connecting your cable directly to the MR, it scans the channels in (I assume you told it "cable" so it knows to do a logical mapping, thus ABC HD which could be in channel 10.1 over the air, actually shows up in 93.3 or something)......now, your MR has a logical mapping of both SD and HD channels available.

Next, if you were to just unplug that cable, and put in the OTA, do NO rescan whatsoever, and type in 10.1, will you still be able to get ABC HD? If the scan did not touch 10.1 in its logical table, but only 9,10, 11, etc, then physically unplugging the connection (or doing an AB switch), will it see that 10.1 is not in the logical mapping so try to connect on frequency 10.1 ? :confused:

I'm gonna check the manual and see.....but if you have that setup, it would be cool to know

PDP

02-24-06, 02:18 PM

. . .
I split my cable, one end to cable box (connected through HDMI 1) and the other end to ANT A. My scan on ANT A picks up everything except a few of the HD channels (as said above), and the TVGUIDE updates fine, although the local comcast listings arent correct in GEMSTAR's guide. Once again, Comcast's fault, not the tv's.

MB: for some reason, I thought the Pioneer 1130 would not permit this (I must have misread something in the manual). Using your set up, are you able to then use PIP with two different cable channels?

MaliciousBraham

02-24-06, 02:22 PM

I'm gonna check the manual and see.....but if you have that setup, it would be cool to know

I dont have that setup as there is no OTA content I watch anymore that I dont already have in the cable stream. Sorry.

ssabripo

02-24-06, 02:22 PM

Here is what it says on the Manual, page 38:

Setting up TV channels manually
This section describes how to manually set up TV channels that
have not been set up by Auto Channel Preset.
1 Press HOME MENU.
2 Select “Tuner Setup”. ( / then ENTER)
3 Select “Channel Setup”. ( / then ENTER)
4 Select “Ant. A” or “Ant. B”. ( / then ENTER)
5 Select “Add Channel”. ( / then ENTER)
6 Select a channel number to be added. ( / then ENTER)
• You can also use buttons 0 – 9 to enter a channel
number.
• After ENTER has been pressed, a confirmation screen
appears.
7 Press A to complete the setup process.
8 Press HOME MENU to exit the menu.
So, if one sets autochannel scan with cable plugged in, then manually change the actual connection to go to OTA antenna (say, via an AB switch), and then do the above procedure to manually include the OTA channels, this should work...

do you see any reason why it shouldn't work?

MaliciousBraham

02-24-06, 02:24 PM

MB: for some reason, I thought the Pioneer 1130 would not permit this (I must have misread something in the manual). Using your set up, are you able to then use PIP with two different cable channels?

Yes, my cablebox is on HDMI 1, and I use PIP with ANT A. So thats effectively 2 cable channels. What I think the manual means is that you cant do PIP with Ant A PIP with ANT B. I honestly havent tried it as I have nothing connected to ANT B. I'll see if I can do it tonight though. Should just show static if I can.

Enigma

02-24-06, 02:26 PM

The only problem is the buzzing! I thought I was safe from this with the 6th generation but I guess not. This thing is loud. Everyone in the room noticed it when we turned it on. Not subtle at all, even in Power Save 2 mode. What a bummer. Not something you want to have to deal with after getting a new, otherwise great, toy.

I just got my 5060 yesterday; also in Save2; but I can't hear anything from my panel, even when I put my ear up to it. I can hear a quiet fan noise from the media box, but again, I have to get close to hear it. From my seating position (9') I can't hear the TV at all (muted, off course :) ).

lhamp

02-24-06, 03:05 PM

I just got my 5060 yesterday; also in Save2; but I can't hear anything from my panel, even when I put my ear up to it. I can hear a quiet fan noise from the media box, but again, I have to get close to hear it. From my seating position (9') I can't hear the TV at all (muted, off course :) ).

Have you put your ear up to it while a white screen is on? It's hard to believe you can't hear anything... the fact is, all plasmas buzz somewhat and I've found Pioneers to be among the loudest.

But as I said about two pages ago, I believe my 930 buzzes less now than it did when it was new (got it in October).... even now, I think it buzzes more when you first turn it on than when it's been on for a while.

Also... and I can't emphasize this enough.... some people are far more sensative to the buzz than others... I see it all the time in the studio where I work with sound... there are sounds that literally drive me crazy that other people barely hear.

bmorenc

02-24-06, 03:18 PM

Enigma, that seems to be the general experience here. I can hear the MR fan, but the panel buzz is louder than the fan unless my ear is less than about 6 inches from the back of the MR. It appears that I am way out of the norm here so I will be trying to resolve this as soon as I can. Unfortunetly, that happens to be 2 weeks out because I am travelling for business.

On a happy note, The Fifth Element scene where they recreate LiLu from the Oppo DVD at 720p over HDMI was an experience I have never had before. When she puts her hands on the glass of the chamber it actaully feels like she is touching the inside of the panel itself. I say "feels" because I got a weird feeling when it happened. Talk about being a part of the movie. Very very cool.

bmorenc

02-24-06, 03:27 PM

Also... and I can't emphasize this enough.... some people are far more sensative to the buzz than others... I see it all the time in the studio where I work with sound... there are sounds that literally drive me crazy that other people barely hear.

I am in the same boat. My girlfriend almost never hears the sounds that are driving me nuts. But she was the first one to say, "What's that buzzing sound?" when I turned on the tv.

lhamp

02-24-06, 03:42 PM

On a happy note, The Fifth Element scene where they recreate LiLu from the Oppo DVD at 720p over HDMI was an experience I have never had before. When she puts her hands on the glass of the chamber it actaully feels like she is touching the inside of the panel itself. I say "feels" because I got a weird feeling when it happened. Talk about being a part of the movie. Very very cool.

Save the raves for when you get HD... then you'll really freak out.

triplefffcalgary

02-24-06, 05:00 PM

Well, took the plunge and picked up a 4360. WAF is high and climbing at this point after much initial abuse.

Couple of questions though.

Is there a way to get the TV guide to sort by channel number?
Also I seem to have anumber of channels showing up that aren't activated for me, and its a pain to scroll through them all. Is there a way to remove them?

CHI-HD

02-24-06, 05:16 PM

not as an insult to anyone, but i don't understand the hoopla over a dead pixel. there are thousands upon thousands of pixels on any given PDP. nothing man made is ever going to be perfect and the fact that they got 99.9999% of the other pixels right is a hell of an achievement. if the pixel noticeabley detracted from viewing (extremely noticeable) or a cluster of them went out, that's one thing, but to nit pick over a pixel you can't even see is a waste of time imo. i haven't checked for pixels and frankly i don't care to. i probably have at least one dead, and it hasn't bothered me yet. ignorance is bliss or so they say..

I won't check for dead pixels for at least 18 mo in to my in home service plan, I want a reason to upgrade if there is one. :D

CharlesG

02-24-06, 09:48 PM

I receiver my Pro-1130HD last week. Looks great !!!

Connections:
Cablevision SA8300 DVR to Input #1 via HDMI at 1080i
Toshiba DVD to Input #3 via HDMI at 1080i

For the break-in 100+ hours I plan to use the settings recommended by D-Nice in #2758 on page 92. To accumulate hours I plan to use my Elizabethtown 1.78:1 DVD in the Repeat Mode, with the 1130 set to FULL screen (no black bars).

QUESTIONS:
1. Any comments/improvements to the above for break-in ??
2. Any product recommendation for a BOOKSHELF subwoofer that I could directly connect to the 1130 subwoofer out to improve/augment the 1130 side speakers provided by Pioneer ???

Thank you in advance --- CharlesG

lhamp

02-24-06, 09:58 PM

Connections:
Cablevision SA8300 DVR to Input #1 via HDMI at 1080i

I wouldn't leave the cable box set only to 1080i.... not sure if cablevision uses the Passport or SARA versions of the 8300.... but if it's the passport software you should have 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i all checked... if it's the SARA version, the setting should say Pass Through or Native... or something along those lines.

You want the Pioneer to do all the scaling, not the box.

Congrats on your new purchase.

CharlesG

02-24-06, 10:17 PM

lhamp

02-24-06, 10:32 PM

Ihamp:
Thanks for your reply. I think I could have checked the Cablevision SA8300 for 480i, 480p, etc. --- I will check this out when I get home. As for the Toshiba DVD, I had choice of 480p, 720p, or 1080i --- and I selected 1080i

CharlesG

That one is not as clear cut.... I've found that on my player, 720p looks best... by just a little.... you should A/B the two and determine which looks best.

Also... not familiar with your player... if it allows you to do 480i via HDMI, you may want to check it out... again, that way you'd be letting the pioneer do all the scaling.

I'm betting 720p looks best.

spudbudy

02-24-06, 10:35 PM

Hi gang, newbie here jumped on the band wagon and purchased a 1130. :D I haven't seen this posted anywhere reguarding this issue. While trying out all the features that this awesome plasma has it seems to be missing a pcmcia adapter card for viewing a sd card for digital photos. the manual doesn't say anything about one but tells you how to set up the menu to view the pictures strange huh?they talk about this feature on the website and the set can do it but it doesn't come with one whats that all about. :(

Those that can do, Those that can't come here for the answer :D

DeltaTL6

02-25-06, 12:55 AM

Yes, my cablebox is on HDMI 1, and I use PIP with ANT A. So thats effectively 2 cable channels. What I think the manual means is that you cant do PIP with Ant A PIP with ANT B. I honestly havent tried it as I have nothing connected to ANT B. I'll see if I can do it tonight though. Should just show static if I can.

PIP w/ ANT A and B works.

liy

02-25-06, 06:45 AM

liy

02-25-06, 06:46 AM

Viventis

02-25-06, 08:19 AM

dukmahsik

02-25-06, 09:44 AM

ssabripo

02-25-06, 11:36 AM

I'm reading the manual, and I'm confused about a statement about the PIP:

it says that you cannot used the split image screen when using "images from the same source, or from 2 external sources".......???:confused:

1) so what's the damn point of having 2 tuners :mad:...... does that mean I can't watch 2 different channels in PIP if I only have cable coming into ANT A?

2) can I watch PIP if hooked up to ANTA and use a splitter and goto ANTB ?

3) can I watch two HD (even if from different sources, say HDMI and ANT A) in the split screen, or does it allow you only one HD and SD?

lhamp

02-25-06, 11:54 AM

I have had my 5060 for a full week now and love it. The only real fly in the ointment is that Charter's analog SD channels look pretty bad. They didn't look all that great with my 31" CRT so this was not a shock. Every now and then a "must see" show comes on that is in the analog SD range (like a college basketball game). What settings in the options menus could I use to make a grainy, noisy SD picture look tolerable?

BTW: The cable company claims my signal strength is fine. I think my house is wired with cheap coax.

I'm sure your signal is fine... problem isn't with your plasma, it's the SD signals... as they say, "garbage in, garbage out."

The only thing I would suggest is playing with some of the noise reduction settings... I've found that that helps.... but you don't want to get into a seperate set of settings for SD and HD.

DeltaTL6

02-25-06, 06:31 PM

I'm reading the manual, and I'm confused about a statement about the PIP:

it says that you cannot used the split image screen when using "images from the same source, or from 2 external sources".......???:confused:

1) so what's the damn point of having 2 tuners :mad:...... does that mean I can't watch 2 different channels in PIP if I only have cable coming into ANT A?

It works to split w/ the 2 tuners. I think what it is saying is that u can't split with 2 images using the same tuner/source, and u can't split w/ 2 different inputs (u know, input 1, 2, 3, 4 **ANT will work**).

liy

02-25-06, 06:51 PM

Here's a solution to a a little quirk of the the 1130/930 that
apparently no one, but I, discerned as a problem. :D
With respect the "Home Gallery" function, Pioneer implemented this
feature with very strict parameters, i.e. jpegs only, no larger than
2400 x 1800, 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 format, with the notice that images that
are "modified or edited using a personal computer or other equipment"
might not be able to be displayed.

I found this greatly disappointing, as I had hoped to be able to
display a slide show of my favorite photos - all of which had been
modified and edited on a pc. Sure enough, when trying to display
these images, the Home Gallery showed a thumbnail image with a an
exclamation point (never a good sign!).

Here's the workaround, should anyone else encounter this issue: Using
Paint Shop Pro Vers. 9 and Irfanview Vers. 3.93 (freeware), I did the
following:

1. Opened the image in PSP.

2. Using the freeware Faramir script, I enlarged the image by
200% (Started with two megapixel image size), then used PSP to reduce
the image size to 2048 x 1536.

3. Saved the image as a jpeg, calling up the jpeg options dialog on
the "save as" menu, saved using compression factor of 20 and Chroma
sub-sampling of "YCbCr 1x1 1x1 1x1 (None)" (Very important!!)

4. Opened the saved jpeg in Irfanview and called up "Image
Information". This allows you to modify the Resolution which must be
set to 1 x 1 dpi (Very Important!!)!

5. Then saved this image to my SD card - and now have 15 of my photos
displaying - in a loop - on my Pio 1130.

And those pix look darn good on that display.

Hope this is of help to someone!!! ;)

LIY

DMP2722

02-25-06, 07:25 PM

As soon as the unit gets here, I will let you know.....but I've always had something for the Elite (although I was never really "fond" of the plasma PQ....the elite was definitely the exception). Once I had the problems with the SXRD and went to the store and saw it in person again, side by side with other plasmas and RPTV's, the decision was done!

Do a search under my name in this thread....same scenario as you! The real only concern you will have is going down in size, and making sure you "break in" the set properly....after that, it should be smooth sailing and countless hours of enjoyment! :D

Ssabripp, It sounds like your set came in. So what do you think? I see you have posted with some operational questions but nothing on your thoughts of replacing the SXRD 60.

Funny talk about the Green issue on the SXRD. My Mom came over today and saw the SXRD 60 setup I showed her High Def then SD. SD here through COX is bad anything below channel 80 is still analog so not really digital even though you are going through a digital box go figure keep paying more for digital and mostly getting analog. Well HD did shin and then she asked why I was swaping out the set and showed here where the green is after the set had been for for over 3 hours and we went back and she immeadiately said I can see the green mostly in the light areas but it is there. She did also say if i hadn't showed her the green she would most likely have over looked it. But she is an artist as soon as she knew it was there you eye never misses it again. LOL. A store here has an 1130 in stock I could just go pick up for comparision but name is in the system with my other set so I dont want to play around. I am really interested in your thoughts on the PQ going from a 1080 HD screen down to a 760 and how SD looks compared to the SXRD you had.

Thanks

mefromfl

02-25-06, 07:31 PM

When i turn off my tv at night both the tv and MR light is red, but when i wake up the MR blue light is blinking? Is this normal? anyone experiencing this issue also?

D-Nice

02-25-06, 07:40 PM

When i turn off my tv at night both the tv and MR light is red, but when i wake up the MR blue light is blinking? Is this normal? anyone experiencing this issue also?

You need to disable the TV Guide.

Viventis

02-25-06, 08:11 PM

Of all of the various recommended settings on a broken in 5060 or Elite, it appears that the "Color" setting varies the most from post to post. I have seen it from minus 12 to plus 4. I received the Avia disc in from my Blockbuster by mail selections and I apparantly need a "blue filter" to adjust the Color setting. As of now, I have no blue filter to use. (Blockbuster sends a bare disk in a paper case).

What are you using as your Color setting? (Standard) My "eyeball setting" using Discovery HD as my guide is about minus 8.

Bwitcher

02-25-06, 09:01 PM

rudyr

02-25-06, 10:34 PM

Ok...I'm starting to get scared.

I bought my 5061 a week ago and twice this week the power went out on the monitor for no reason, but the Media Box stays on. I checked my power settings and everything is disabled. I'm not sure what is going on.

ssabripo

02-25-06, 10:44 PM

Ssabripp, It sounds like your set came in. So what do you think? I see you have posted with some operational questions but nothing on your thoughts of replacing the SXRD 60.

Funny talk about the Green issue on the SXRD. My Mom came over today and saw the SXRD 60 setup I showed her High Def then SD. SD here through COX is bad anything below channel 80 is still analog so not really digital even though you are going through a digital box go figure keep paying more for digital and mostly getting analog. Well HD did shin and then she asked why I was swaping out the set and showed here where the green is after the set had been for for over 3 hours and we went back and she immeadiately said I can see the green mostly in the light areas but it is there. She did also say if i hadn't showed her the green she would most likely have over looked it. But she is an artist as soon as she knew it was there you eye never misses it again. LOL. A store here has an 1130 in stock I could just go pick up for comparision but name is in the system with my other set so I dont want to play around. I am really interested in your thoughts on the PQ going from a 1080 HD screen down to a 760 and how SD looks compared to the SXRD you had.

Thanks

DMP,

unfortunately the set is not here, hence my questions on "operation" before it arrives sometime this coming week. I still have teh SXRD in the meantime (salesguy let me keep it until the other gets here).

I will give you a full overview in my setup, side by side, for comparison purposes, but I can tell you that unless you need the huge screen size, there "ain't nothin the SXRD got over the 1130" :)

I got to watch it side by side against other plasmas, the SXRD, the Sammy DLP 1080's, and the mitsu 1080's....even a qualia 007. The 2 sets the stood out of the crowd where the Elite, the Fujistsu, and a close third, the QUalia. I read all the reviews and raves on the SXRD, and thus I sold my XS to get it....I knew about 1080p, the contrast ratios, etc etc, but the eye doesn't lie....the 1130 and its 768 resolution is just a magnificent set.

it has a few quirks that I'm annoyed with, specially on the tuner, but as for PQ, it is phenomenal....

sit tight....full report coming in due time ;)

D-Nice

02-25-06, 11:08 PM

D-Nice

02-25-06, 11:09 PM

rudyr

02-26-06, 01:00 AM

Did you check the power cord? Is it securely attached to the set?
Thanks for the reply D-Nice. Your posts are partly what persuaded me into picking this tv and I've found your suggestions very helpful.

Yeah, I had a shelf about 11 inches above the tv and removed it thinking maybe the tv needed more ventilation, but just now it happened again. I've checked the power cables several times and everything looks secure.

I really like this tv and didn't have enough to spring for the extended warranty so this is starting to freak me out. I may just go to Best Buy tommorow and see if they can do an exchange, although I'd hate to have to go through the hassle.

In the meantime, I will do more troubleshooting. Hopefully it is something I'm overlooking.

westa6969

02-26-06, 03:55 AM

Thanks for the reply D-Nice. Your posts are partly what persuaded me into picking this tv and I've found your suggestions very helpful.

Yeah, I had a shelf about 11 inches above the tv and removed it thinking maybe the tv needed more ventilation, but just now it happened again. I've checked the power cables several times and everything looks secure.

I really like this tv and didn't have enough to spring for the extended warranty so this is starting to freak me out. I may just go to Best Buy tommorow and see if they can do an exchange, although I'd hate to have to go through the hassle.

In the meantime, I will do more troubleshooting. Hopefully it is something I'm overlooking.
It's not all that unusual for electronics to power down when they get overheated or where inconsistent power is received. Are you using a Line Conditioner? Obviously you want good ventilation and clean power. You can get a good Belkin I believe at Ecost for less than half price (place in shopping cart for true price), PureAV™ Home Theater Power Console PF40 mine works flawlessly.

I'm not saying these are the causes but these are two common events that replicate and occur in computer electronics in addition to faulty power supplies and the same principles can be applied here. I had interference on my lines from a sump pump in my basement kicking in periodically and the Line Conditioner removed any such factor impacting my HT System. Good Luck! :D

spinee

02-26-06, 06:50 AM

Here is what it says on the Manual, page 38:

...

So, if one sets autochannel scan with cable plugged in, then manually change the actual connection to go to OTA antenna (say, via an AB switch), and then do the above procedure to manually include the OTA channels, this should work...

do you see any reason why it shouldn't work?

well, again, i'm from the poor "5060" side of the tracks, but: the 5060 manual has pretty much identical verbiage, in pretty much the exact same page in the manual. and for SD channels, you can certainly do that (notice that they say you can use the number keys, but don't even mention the "." key). but for HD channels, that doesn't work on my set.

for example, on a day with very good "seeing", i was able to grab most of the local DC stations (and, paradoxically, all the distant baltimore stations) but not the station which would be showing "lost" that evening. rather than face the wrath of my financial manager when she was unable to watch naveen andrews in HD, i repositioned my little antenna (no remarks, please) and rescanned. huzzah, the ABC station scanned in, but i lost the local CBS. fine, no problem: i knew it was out there, and thanks to antennaweb.org i knew its actual UHF channel as well as its "logical" HD location.

but neither pressing "9.1" (the logical location) or "34.1" (the actual frequency) would get me to the station. it wouldn't even try: if i try to manually input an HD station not in the current map, it simply ignores what i've requested and stays on the current station. but SD stations can be manually entered.

now, that may be different with the elites, but it seems that the tuners in these things (or the software surrounding the tuners) may be something of a weak spot. hopefully, it's the kind of thing that can be rectified with a firmware upgrade...if there is enough of a hue & cry.

Viventis

02-26-06, 07:50 AM

EVERYONE!!

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS on buying the 5060?? Online?? if so, where? I recently got scammed by an online vendor (not an auth pio dealer though). Can anyone give me any suggestions?

Has anyone bought the 5060 from Beyondplasma or Satellite & Sound? They have it for about 1k less than the MSRP...??

Any thoughts guys / gals???

MANY MANY THANKS!!
Brandon

TV Authority is a forum sponsor and is competitive in price for the 5060. They are an authorized Pioneer dealer. This model qualifies for their 5 - Star policy, which includes no restocking fee on returns within a fixed period of time. If you specifically mention that you are an AVS Forum member, you get a "Pixel Perfect" guaranty that allows an exchange if even one pixel is dead or stuck. I bought mine there and was very pleased. Cambryn Courson was my sales rep. (Cammy). I know several others here that have purchased their Pioneer 5060's from them and had good experiences as well.

D-Nice

02-26-06, 08:49 AM

rudyr

02-26-06, 11:15 AM

m99037

02-26-06, 11:52 AM

I have a 5060 HD and have been having problems with reflection on the screen that occurs during most high speed sports such as in the olympics. It is in the form of hoizontal lines as a reflection of the upper half. of the screen. it comes and goes. I am using a directv HR10 and also over the air antenna. It makes no difference. I also receive it on cable. I recorded the olympic hockey on the HR10 and it recorded the problem without the plasma on, so it seems that it is not a problem with the 5060. I called pioneer and the tec said he had not heard of the problem. I saw another post that had the same problem. Any help would be appreciated.

D-Nice

02-26-06, 12:18 PM

ssabripo

02-26-06, 12:22 PM

well, again, i'm from the poor "5060" side of the tracks, but: the 5060 manual has pretty much identical verbiage, in pretty much the exact same page in the manual. and for SD channels, you can certainly do that (notice that they say you can use the number keys, but don't even mention the "." key). but for HD channels, that doesn't work on my set.

for example, on a day with very good "seeing", i was able to grab most of the local DC stations (and, paradoxically, all the distant baltimore stations) but not the station which would be showing "lost" that evening. rather than face the wrath of my financial manager when she was unable to watch naveen andrews in HD, i repositioned my little antenna (no remarks, please) and rescanned. huzzah, the ABC station scanned in, but i lost the local CBS. fine, no problem: i knew it was out there, and thanks to antennaweb.org i knew its actual UHF channel as well as its "logical" HD location.

but neither pressing "9.1" (the logical location) or "34.1" (the actual frequency) would get me to the station. it wouldn't even try: if i try to manually input an HD station not in the current map, it simply ignores what i've requested and stays on the current station. but SD stations can be manually entered.

now, that may be different with the elites, but it seems that the tuners in these things (or the software surrounding the tuners) may be something of a weak spot. hopefully, it's the kind of thing that can be rectified with a firmware upgrade...if there is enough of a hue & cry.

right....BUT:

if you just repositioned the antenna, and did NOT do a scan, would you be able to punch in 9.1 (or 34.1, whichever is the actual signal frequency from the OTA antenna), and get the channel?

the key is that the rescan overwrites all the internal tables.....so I'm assuming that by not re-scanning, and just swithching antennas and typing the channel, that it would be able to see it....

I wish I had mine in! :o

CHolleman

02-26-06, 12:34 PM

i saw something about this earlier, but i couldn't get a clear answer from the reply.

i have the 4360 with a D*TV H20 receiver. there is something in the setup of the D*TV receiver to set it to "native". i have the 1080i setting enabled on the utside of the receiver. should i set it to native in the D*TV receiver to let the panel scale? does this disable the 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i settings on the D8TV receiver??

also, i found that i have Star Wars: ATOC with the THX optimizer built it. i was messing around with it for Cont/Bright and couldn't quite get it right. First you adj. the contrast but if your brightness level is set too high or low, it requires you to have the contrast very high or low. should i have a starting point of 30 for both brightness and contrast (30 is the middle of the scale). at one point, i had a pretty good looking picture, but the contrast was at 40 and the brightness was at -2. so i restarted and had the brightness bumped up a bit for reference when i was adjusting contrast which left me around 37 contrast this time, and 0 or so for brightness. i want the picture to look as good as possible without raising the contrast/brightness to extreme levels. (40 sounded way too high) i'm passed the break in btw with around 350 hours and so far have not had a hint of burn in.

spudbudy

02-26-06, 02:09 PM

thanks for your input, but when i called the place i bought the plasma from he contacted a pioneer rep who said it didn't come with any and you had to purchase them on your own. now i'm really confused as what to do where did the card adapters come from what box? i have all my boxes still but i don't recall seeing anything else.

spudbudy

02-26-06, 02:25 PM

just doubled checked all packing material found nothing i guess i will have to contact pioneer directly and find out what to do next

rudyr

02-26-06, 03:45 PM

D-Nice,

A question about the exchange of my set to BB: Should I exchange the whole set (media box included) or just the monitor?

m99037

02-26-06, 05:37 PM

Not quite understanding your post....a "reflection" during motion? Do you mean pixelation? The reflection has lines in it and seems to be a repeat of the upper part of the picture. In olympic hockey I can see the logo repeated. I don't know what pixelation is. On the lower part it looks like a double exposer. Thanks for the quick reply

Enigma

02-26-06, 06:23 PM

Well, I got my 5060 last Thurs and am in the break-in mode. I posted first impressions that night, but have a few more comments.

The pq looks stunning on all stationary shots. As far as blacks, contrast, lack of noise, etc I am very impressed. Obviously it shows more flaws in the source than my 42" did, just due to the larger size. On a good source it looks great. The internal tuner works great as well, and even the TVGuide works good for OTA (which still surprises me, I don't know how the guide data is transitted). I have looked for pixel issues and haven't found any yet. This thing is also real quiet; I have now checked for panel "buzz" with a white screen, and can hear a very quiet buzz when right beside the glass; I can't hear anything beyond about 1 1/2 feet away. It's slighty louder from behind the panel, but still not loud (and obviously I don't watch from there :) ). The media box fan is also very quiet; I can hear a "whisper" noise from maybe 2' away. From my viewing position (9 - 10 feet) I can hear absoultely no noise from the panel under any circumstances (and neither can my wife).

I have now connected the TiVo thru HDMI; and also watched a couple of of (1.85) DVD's, as well as connected the computer to VGA.

Overall I basically only 1 complaint (and a couple of minor nit-picks). First the nit-picks:
- I wish there was a way to turn off the blue light in the lower left corner of the panel. At times I find it distracting; I don't mind the one on the media box, and like the blue color, it's just the light on the panel is in pretty close proximity to the actual picture
- I really wish they would have made the HDMI and component imputs (on the rear) "live" at the same time. Not a big deal, but might be a nuisance in the future (say you want to use the HDMI's for sat/cable box and dvd/hd dvd/bluray player; but want components avail for game machines, etc - of course you can use the extra component input on the front, but that seems less than ideal for a permanent hookup.
- I really wish they would have placed the VGA input on the rear, and allowed it to accept a wider range of resolutions (1280 x 1024 is what my video card is set to for my "normal" monitor, and now i have to change res to display photos, etc; yes I've tried this).
- Right after changing inputs or channels on HDTiVo, there is a momentary freeze of the picture, maybe 1/2 sec; I'm not sure if this is the TiVo, the Pio, or an interaction between the two.

Now for the one real complaint:

Motion Judder. I've read up on this, and noticed the same thing as some other posters. I really haven't seen it anywhere (that I could be sure wasn't source, etc) except in medium to fast scrolling credits. It was real bad on some very fast moving credits on one of the HD channels (forget the movie), with white text on black. I later changed the DNR setting to "off" from either low or mid, I forget; and this seems to have helped; as I've seen some fairly quick scrolling credits since, and though the judder was noticeable, it was acceptable.
This is the only real flaw I've found. Most times the pq is just stunning, and the asthetics are beautiful as well (I mounted it on a Elite stand I bought off E-Bay).

On a final note, does anyone have settings (break-in or final) for a 5060 when fed by a DirecTV HDTiVo? I've seen lots of settings posted based on cable boxes, but none that I've noticed from sat boxes. Right now I've got contrast on 25 and brightness on 0, but the pic looks just a little dark to me on some programs. I haven't tried Aiva yet (was going to after breakin, or maybe I'll get that SpyderTV product, which sounds interesting).

Whiskyecho

02-26-06, 07:52 PM

hey guys, since i will be viewing mostly SD, DVD and video games and sitting about 8-9 feet away. should i opt for the 50 or 43 in? im pretty confused when it comes to viewing distances and resolution!

.....that BIGGER is always better. I haven't done the gaming bit yet (MS CFS 3) but will - and can only imagine how nifty it's gonna be. Go with the 50 incher.....bill

eelton

02-26-06, 08:56 PM

On a final note, does anyone have settings (break-in or final) for a 5060 when fed by a DirecTV HDTiVo?
These are my 5060 settings for HD TiVo:
AV selection: user
contrast: 35
brightness: +4
color: -10
tint: 0
sharpness: 0
pure cinema: standard
color temp: low
CTI: on
DNR: mid
MPEG NR: low

As for the issue of break-in, my personal opinion is that it's a bogus concept that has taken on the aura of a religion--based on very little and repeated without questioning. It's worth pointing out that Pioneer doesn't mention anything about it in the manual. I've used the above settings from day 1, without any problems.

Enigma

02-26-06, 09:20 PM

Eric,

Thanks for the settings. How did you calibrate to these (Avia, etc)? Looks like your contrast and brightness is a good bit higher than I have mine now, which makes sense based on the darkness of the pic I'm seeing.

As for break-in, I don't disagree with you; I've just been a little paranoid what with all the postings on this lately, as well as the Panny sheet describing the breakin process.

ssabripo

02-26-06, 10:30 PM

D-nice, Mallicious, anyone:

just to double check.....the 1130's tuner DOES have a QAM tuner as part of its ATSC tuner, right?

eelton

02-27-06, 07:04 AM

Eric,

Thanks for the settings. How did you calibrate to these (Avia, etc)? Looks like your contrast and brightness is a good bit higher than I have mine now, which makes sense based on the darkness of the pic I'm seeing.I started with Video Essentials and the test patterns from HDnet (recorded on the HD TiVo), but in the end I basically trusted my eyeballs. I did a lot of fiddling and experimentation, and I decided I like the contrast on the high side for a brighter image.

lhamp

02-27-06, 08:53 AM

I started with Video Essentials and the test patterns from HDnet (recorded on the HD TiVo), but in the end I basically trusted my eyeballs. I did a lot of fiddling and experimentation, and I decided I like the contrast on the high side for a brighter image.

eelton... I'm assuming you have your power set to standard... but if for some reason you set it to one of the Power Save modes you should go back to standard... the image will be much brighter/vibrant.... without having to boost the contrast... although it's not like 35 is THAT high.

My brightness (as determined by me via hdnet and then verified by an IFS pro) is +3 which also seems a bit higher than a lot of the postings here... but then again, I'm going component... I think I lot of the settings posted here are via hdmi which could account for the differnece.

stevey

02-27-06, 08:54 AM

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I ordered the line conditioner (great price by the way) and am also going to do the exchange at BB just to be safe. Hopefully everything works out. I couldn't find anything on the boards about anyone else having this problem with the Pioneer so I'm assuming this is an isolated problem.

Yes, this problem occasionally happens to my 5060 and I saw someone else on this board with the same problem. I have plenty of ventilation. Panel goes red and MR blinks blue. I disabled the 3 hour shutoff and it still happens sometimes within 1/2 hour of the panel being turned on.

rudyr

02-27-06, 09:04 AM

Yes, this problem occasionally happens to my 5060 and I saw someone else on this board with the same problem. I have plenty of ventilation. Panel goes red and MR blinks blue. I disabled the 3 hour shutoff and it still happens sometimes within 1/2 hour of the panel being turned on.
What did you do about it? Have you gotten it serviced or exchanged? I hate having to start the break-in period all over.

CHolleman

02-27-06, 09:04 AM

MNbri

02-27-06, 09:09 AM

On a final note, does anyone have settings (break-in or final) for a 5060 when fed by a DirecTV HDTiVo? I've seen lots of settings posted based on cable boxes, but none that I've noticed from sat boxes. Right now I've got contrast on 25 and brightness on 0, but the pic looks just a little dark to me on some programs. I haven't tried Aiva yet (was going to after breakin, or maybe I'll get that SpyderTV product, which sounds interesting).

contrast at 25 is kinda low. I set my 5050 at 28 during break-in, it's now @ 32 for the hdtivo via hdmi. Once you're through the first 100 hours you could crank up the brightness a bit too.

lhamp

02-27-06, 09:13 AM

anyone?

yes... set your stb to native... that way you'll pass thourgh native signals and your plasma will do the scaling.

Not sure what your second question is... but 30 is a good contrast setting to use, then calibrate from there... and keep in mind that your settings for your dvd player and your sat box will most likely be different... so you'll need to have two seperate sets of settings, each on a different input.

lhamp

02-27-06, 09:14 AM

contrast at 25 is kinda low. I set my 5050 at 28 during break-in, it's now @ 32 for the hdtivo via hdmi. Once you're through the first 100 hours you could crank up the brightness a bit too.

brightness does not effect image retention/burn-in... only contrast does.... so your brightness setting should only be about what looks best.

bdee1

02-27-06, 09:18 AM

so 2 things i noticed this weekend with my 1130. 1) i was watching ESPNHD for about a half hour or so. most shows on that channel are in 4:3 and have the black bars with the fancy HD logo. well after i was done i just happened to be standing up close to the screen doing something and noticed some image retention from the bars. its funny because its the first time i noticed any image retention at all. you had to be within a couple feet of the screen and it had to be on certain colors for it to be visible. from the couch you couldn't see ti at all. guess I'll have to cut out the espnHD.

so the other thing i noticed was when i was playing the break-in DVD that i found somewhere on here. just cycles through colors, red, green blue, white, black gray...

well again i was up close to the screen when it was on the red screen and i saw a small black dot and was like "oh there must be some lint or something on the screen - I'll just brush it off" so i went to brush it away with my finger and it didn't move and when i looked closer i saw that it appeared to be a dead pixel. its weird though that it is fine on all other colors from the disc - just the red seems to give it trouble.

at first i was pretty pissed but then as i was watching some regular TV - i could not notice it at all. so i am not sure it i am going to make an issue of it. i am still within the 30 day unconditional return period from tweeter so i could swap it out but i guess i will have to watch some more and see if i can notice it at all under normal viewing conditions.

lhamp

02-27-06, 09:26 AM

liy

02-27-06, 09:40 AM

mhfnet

02-27-06, 11:13 AM

Overall I basically only 1 complaint (and a couple of minor nit-picks). First the nit-picks:
- I wish there was a way to turn off the blue light in the lower left corner of the panel. At times I find it distracting; I don't mind the one on the media box, and like the blue color, it's just the light on the panel is in pretty close proximity to the actual picture
- I really wish they would have placed the VGA input on the rear, and allowed it to accept a wider range of resolutions (1280 x 1024 is what my video card is set to for my "normal" monitor, and now i have to change res to display photos, etc; yes I've tried this).

Now for the one real complaint:

Motion Judder. I've read up on this, and noticed the same thing as some other posters. I really haven't seen it anywhere (that I could be sure wasn't source, etc) except in medium to fast scrolling credits. It was real bad on some very fast moving credits on one of the HD channels (forget the movie), with white text on black. I later changed the DNR setting to "off" from either low or mid, I forget; and this seems to have helped; as I've seen some fairly quick scrolling credits since, and though the judder was noticeable, it was acceptable.
This is the only real flaw I've found. Most times the pq is just stunning, and the asthetics are beautiful as well (I mounted it on a Elite stand I bought off E-Bay).

On a final note, does anyone have settings (break-in or final) for a 5060 when fed by a DirecTV HDTiVo? I've seen lots of settings posted based on cable boxes, but none that I've noticed from sat boxes. Right now I've got contrast on 25 and brightness on 0, but the pic looks just a little dark to me on some programs. I haven't tried Aiva yet (was going to after breakin, or maybe I'll get that SpyderTV product, which sounds interesting).

Overall the picture quality on the Pioneer is excellent but you have to make a few adjustments to get it that way. I also have the same issues as you do with my 1130.

To get rid of the blue light someone in the thread suggest putting a small piece of black electrical tape over the light. Kind of tacky but if it is cut round to just fit over the light it should not be that noticable.

I have no idea why Pioneer didn't put the vga connector on the back!? I have an HTPC connected to mine and luckily the media box is behind a cabinet. I haven't gotten around to it but I want to try using the HDMI rather than RGB for the computer because it has all the advanced settings of the regular video inputs. The only issue is you cannot adjust overscan like you can on the RGB input but someone suggested using powerstrip to do "resolution within a resolution" that allows adjusting the picture so it fits perfectly fits the display but maintains the required 1280x720 resolution for HDMI inputs.

I also agree that judder is the only thing that really bugs me about the Pioneers. What is the Pioneer doing to cause this to happen? I have never seen judder so bad on a plasma. I believe the problem only occurs with 1080i material. Did they not put in a fast enough video processor? Is a firmware upgrade possible to fix this? I plan to call Pioneer to find out more about this or to at least complain about my dissatifaction.

The one setting that seems to reduce judder the most is setting pure cinema to "off". It sounds like pure cinema is important for de-interlacing film based material so I am not real happy that it has to be turned off. It is ironical that the "advanced" setting is supposed to do 3:3 de-interlacing to make things even smoother but yet it causes judder. Go figure!

Turning off DNR might help reduce judder a little but leaving DNR on (I actually like the "high" setting) gets rid of another annoyance which is dither noise. I guess dither noise is a "feature" as it is actually supposed to smooth out the picture at normal viewing distance. However I find that I can see the noise still 9 feet away and DNR does a great job reducing the noise without decreasing picture sharpness.

I also have an HD-TIVO and posted my settings here,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7178871&highlight=settings#post7178871

The custom color temp, which gives a great grey scale, and DRE settings can only be used on an 1130 but the rest are good for a 5060.

stevey

02-27-06, 11:13 AM

What did you do about it? Have you gotten it serviced or exchanged? I hate having to start the break-in period all over.

I can't return it since the 30 days are up and I bought from an authorized internet dealer. I went against my normal mode of not buying a service plan and bought a 5-year plan. The cost was minimal and I just don't need the hassle of a broken tv. Besides every single piece of electronic equipment I have bought in the past three years has broken at least once.

I have run the tv as a test for hours on end and had no problem. Then out of the blue it happens. Even if I had a service person come out it probably would not happen to them so trying to get it fixed my be a problem. I figured it may start happening more once of the warranty so I bought the extended warranty. I figure in 5-years the tv will be worth less than the cost of the warranty, but I just don't need the hassles.

rudyr

02-27-06, 11:29 AM

I'm within my 30 day exchange period at BB, so I will go ahead and do that. Hopefully the next one won't have the same problem. If it does, I will post it on here.

D-Nice

02-27-06, 12:18 PM

Overall the picture quality on the Pioneer is excellent but you have to make a few adjustments to get it that way. I also have the same issues as you do with my 1130.

To get rid of the blue light someone in the thread suggest putting a small piece of black electrical tape over the light. Kind of tacky but if it is cut round to just fit over the light it should not be that noticable.

I have no idea why Pioneer didn't put the vga connector on the back!? I have an HTPC connected to mine and luckily the media box is behind a cabinet. I haven't gotten around to it but I want to try using the HDMI rather than RGB for the computer because it has all the advanced settings of the regular video inputs. The only issue is you cannot adjust overscan like you can on the RGB input but someone suggested using powerstrip to do "resolution within a resolution" that allows adjusting the picture so it fits perfectly fits the display but maintains the required 1280x720 resolution for HDMI inputs.

I also agree that judder is the only thing that really bugs me about the Pioneers. What is the Pioneer doing to cause this to happen? I have never seen judder so bad on a plasma. I believe the problem only occurs with 1080i material. Did they not put in a fast enough video processor? Is a firmware upgrade possible to fix this? I plan to call Pioneer to find out more about this or to at least complain about my dissatifaction.

The one setting that seems to reduce judder the most is setting pure cinema to "off". It sounds like pure cinema is important for de-interlacing film based material so I am not real happy that it has to be turned off. It is ironical that the "advanced" setting is supposed to do 3:3 de-interlacing to make things even smoother but yet it causes judder. Go figure!

Turning off DNR might help reduce judder a little but leaving DNR on (I actually like the "high" setting) gets rid of another annoyance which is dither noise. I guess dither noise is a "feature" as it is actually supposed to smooth out the picture at normal viewing distance. However I find that I can see the noise still 9 feet away and DNR does a great job reducing the noise without decreasing picture sharpness.

I also have an HD-TIVO and posted my settings here,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7178871&highlight=settings#post7178871

The custom color temp, which gives a great grey scale, and DRE settings can only be used on an 1130 but the rest are good for a 5060.

I'm curious as to why you see judder when you set Pure cinema to ADV. I've found that judder on my setup is caused by the source equipment and/or material. I've never seen judder on any DVD played on my Denon 3910. I've seen judder a total of 7 times from my TWC SA8300 DVR.

However I have seen very pronounced judder from the Oppo 971 when I briefly used it.

D-Nice

02-27-06, 12:19 PM

D-nice, Mallicious, anyone:

just to double check.....the 1130's tuner DOES have a QAM tuner as part of its ATSC tuner, right?

Yes.

Bwitcher

02-27-06, 03:44 PM

Thx Viventis-

You don't work for TV Authority do you? :-)

Is there a better place / thread to be asking my questions (where to buy online?)...

Thanks for your post!

Brandon

bdee1

02-27-06, 04:22 PM

The question is... did the bars go away?.... If they went away you're fine and I wouldn't worry about it.

By the way... what is your contrast set at?

yea they went away - i was just surprised to find that they showed up after such a short period. contrast is set to 25 i think - its the settings posted by D-Nice. i'd have to be in front of my tv to verify but i think they are as follows:

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -5
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Viventis

02-27-06, 06:27 PM

Thx Viventis-

You don't work for TV Authority do you? :-)

Is there a better place / thread to be asking my questions (where to buy online?)...

Thanks for your post!

Brandon

I was paranoid about dead pixels and I wanted an authorized dealer with no restocking fee. The price was right so I took the plunge. (I prefer that to "pulled the trigger")

funster

02-27-06, 08:42 PM

dcpmark

02-27-06, 10:53 PM

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I ordered the line conditioner (great price by the way) and am also going to do the exchange at BB just to be safe. Hopefully everything works out. I couldn't find anything on the boards about anyone else having this problem with the Pioneer so I'm assuming this is an isolated problem.

I had the problem where every once in a while the panel would just shut off. At the time I had a Sony SAT-T60 on top of the media receiver, which I know was a no-no. Finally moved some pieces around, gave the MR plenty of clearance on top and in the back, and it hasn't happened since.

grumb

02-27-06, 11:18 PM

mhfnet

02-28-06, 01:05 AM

I'm curious as to why you see judder when you set Pure cinema to ADV. I've found that judder on my setup is caused by the source equipment and/or material. I've never seen judder on any DVD played on my Denon 3910. I've seen judder a total of 7 times from my TWC SA8300 DVR.

However I have seen very pronounced judder from the Oppo 971 when I briefly used it.

The only time I see judder is with 1080i 24 fps film based material from my HD-TIVO. For example HDNET movies has a lot of film that has been transferred to HD and I think the Pioneer video processor has a tough time de-interlacing it. If I replay the same material setting the HD-TIVO output to 480i, 480p, or 720p it goes away.

What output setting do you use with your DVR or DVD player? Have you seen judder with it set to 1080i and using 24 fps source material?

liy

02-28-06, 06:55 AM

I have the 930 and had to buy my own. not sure how Liy's came with it. I was able to get one at the internet superstore. :)

Well, now I'm not so sure. My 1130 was delivered and setup by Best Buy/Magnolia (a so-so experience in general), and the two Transcend cards were placed on my coffee table by one of the installers. I assumed that they came out of the mountain of packing materials; but perhaps not.

Just for clarification!

LIY

rudyr

02-28-06, 08:21 AM

I had the problem where every once in a while the panel would just shut off. At the time I had a Sony SAT-T60 on top of the media receiver, which I know was a no-no. Finally moved some pieces around, gave the MR plenty of clearance on top and in the back, and it hasn't happened since.
I have my MR sitting on a shelf all by itself, so it should have plenty of ventilation. I just think the tv I got was a lemon. The picture is know flashing in and out intermittently. At first I thought it could have been my cable box, but it is happening on all of my inputs. I've reseated every cable and the problem continues. I've tested several tvs and this is the one that I liked the most but this is giving me quite the scare considering how much I paid for it. I'll be doing the exchange today. Hopefully there's not a backlog for this tv.

By the way, my tv has a manuracturing date of October 2005 and I picked it up last week, so who knows how long it's been sitting around in their warehouse.

spinee

02-28-06, 08:58 AM

BB just delivered the Pioneer 5061 and I can't figure out how to remove all the extra analog channels it discovers during auto add.

I've read this archive but nobody seems to have reported a solution.

I have tried to clear the channel memory by disconnecting the HD antenna and then running an auto add cycle. However then I am unable to manually add the digital channels with the remote. I try 50.01 and I get 50 analog, not digital.

Please tell me there is a way to resolve this otherwise it's history...
i'm afraid it's time to lay it to rest, then. unless there's been a massive firmware update, what you're asking for is beyond the capabilities of the set. it's one of the most annoying things about the UI on this thing.

luckily for me, all my analog stuff is on antenna B (building-wide antenna) and i use antenna A strictly for the HD stuff OTA. on B, i just manually added all the channels (yes, it was a hassle) and on antenna A i let it scan, then programmed buttons A-D with little runs of the HD channels, so i can just hit one of those buttons to scan through the HD stuff without having to deal with the analog.

if pioneer is watching this, i pray they'll put a team of 10 men and a hundred mules on trying to fix this aspect of the tuner. and make software updates available to We Who Are Suffering.

while it's annoying, though, it wasn't enough to consign it to the scrap heap for me: the picture and connectivity are just too good.

D-Nice

02-28-06, 09:33 AM

The only time I see judder is with 1080i 24 fps film based material from my HD-TIVO. For example HDNET movies has a lot of film that has been transferred to HD and I think the Pioneer video processor has a tough time de-interlacing it. If I replay the same material setting the HD-TIVO output to 480i, 480p, or 720p it goes away.

What output setting do you use with your DVR or DVD player? Have you seen judder with it set to 1080i and using 24 fps source material?

My DVR has a passthru setting that leaves whatever signal from TWC untouched. I watch numerous HDNet movies (1080i) with Pure Cinema set to ADV and have yet to see judder. Maybe your HDTivo has alot of lag? This is very interesting.

ssabripo

02-28-06, 10:46 AM

For all you lazy butts who don't want to download the whole pdf file from AV-Guide to see the review, here is the pages that talk about the review: :)

Download File (http://www.theupload.com/view.php?id=00018802)

Karl_in_Chicago

02-28-06, 01:42 PM

Well, now I'm not so sure. My 1130 was delivered and setup by Best Buy/Magnolia (a so-so experience in general), and the two Transcend cards were placed on my coffee table by one of the installers. I assumed that they came out of the mountain of packing materials; but perhaps not.

Just for clarification!

LIY

My 1130 was drop-shipped (but not dropped!) to my home. The 2 cards were inserted into their own dedicated box within all the other stuff.

mhfnet

02-28-06, 02:42 PM

My DVR has a passthru setting that leaves whatever signal from TWC untouched. I watch numerous HDNet movies (1080i) with Pure Cinema set to ADV and have yet to see judder. Maybe your HDTivo has alot of lag? This is very interesting.

My 1130 replaced an Hitachi 55HDT51 plasma that I had connected to the same sources with the same settings. I had NEVER saw judder on the Hitachi but I see it quite regularly on the Pioneer with Pure Cinema on, which pretty much confirms it can't be from the source. This seems to agree with what other people have said about the Pioneer that have done detailed A/B comparisons with other plasma brands i.e. Richard Harkness. Another thing that confirms this that it is not source generated is that when I play back the same material that shows judder with Pure Cinema in the "on or adv" setting, is hugely reduced or eliminated when I turn Pure Cinema "off". Also I maybe wrong that judder only occurs on 1080i 24fps film material but it definitely seems more prevalent.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the Pioneer has the best overall PQ of any plasma, and a lot of plasmas have significantly worse problems that can't be eliminated simply by turning on and off a setting like the Pioneer.

UPDATE: I just called Pioneer tech support and after being transferred twice got to a support person that really knew everything about the "judder" issue. He said that they acknowledge it does have this "judder" and confirmed my suspicion that the video processor is underpowered and the judder occurs because it cannot keep up with the processing requirement to be able to de-interlace 1080i 24 fps film based source material. He also said that it is unlikely that it can be fixed via a firmware upgrade and really needs a hardware fix. The only thing he could suggest, which I already knew, was to turn off Pure Cinema.

CharlesG

02-28-06, 03:13 PM

MaliciousBraham

02-28-06, 03:54 PM

My 1130 was drop-shipped (but not dropped!) to my home. The 2 cards were inserted into their own dedicated box within all the other stuff.

hmm. what size was the little box.. I just realized I dont seem to have the cards.. maybe they were left out of my 1130 ?

sorry for not being around much. Work has intruded on pleasure :)

MaliciousBraham

02-28-06, 03:58 PM

Pixel Test ?????

I am now breaking-in my new Pro-1130HD using D-Link's settings and a repeating DVD movie with screen set to Zoom to fill the screen.

BEFORE my 30 day return period expires --- I would like to test for pixel failure.

REQUEST: Putting aside "what I do not know will not hurt me" I would indeed nevertheless like to test for dead pixels before the 30 days return period is up. What do I have to get, and do, to make the pixel test --- and is there any risk or technical down side by placing the screen in an artificial state in order to make such tes ??

Thanks from CharlesG

If you happen to know of a dvd that has a pure white screen, maybe something from one of the matrix movies in the loading rooms, you can use that to check for stuck / dead pixels. That should let you know. Most times if you just go up to the screen (abt 6 inches away or so) and just watch normal tv content thats fairly bright, you can pick them out. If you have one, it will be obvious up close like that. If you still arent sure if you have any, you probably dont, because they do stick out.

Just go around a store looking up close like that and you are sure to find some, so you know what to look for on your own set.

spudbudy

02-28-06, 07:26 PM

Hello gang, once again i try to get asnwers from pioneer for the pc card adapters. just got off the phone with pioneer not happy, the parts dept says that no pc card adapters are included or sold seperately from pioneer you have to purchase them on your own. this was #1 onto the product support line, they told me that no pc card adapters are included because there are many different kinds of memory sticks and they could not included one for every type of stick this was #2 onto the customer support dept they were suprised that the product support didn't have the answer #3 so he started a case file and that they will get back to me by weeks end. Total time spent on the phone and on hold 64 minutes that i will never get back. IMO pioneer just dropped a notch in my books

JOtteman

02-28-06, 08:49 PM

My PRO-930 came with two adapters by Trancend. One is labeled a CompactFlash Adapter, and the other a 5-in-1 Adapter.

Jay

Bagel123

02-28-06, 10:31 PM

Took delivery of an 1130 on Saturday. Love the way it looks, but haven’t had as much time I would have liked to watch it and play around with it. I am using D-Nice’s lower contrast break in settings as well as crappy component cables that came with the HD-DVR from TWC (waiting on mail delivery of better ones). A few initial questions:
1) Is the 1130 designed to allow for different settings for each input? i.e., SA8300 settings on the cable viewing input, and different DVD settings on its own separate input?
2) The TWC box (Passport software) allows you to select all or none of 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. What should I do here? Does this allow the Pioneer to choose the most appropriate setting whenever I flip a channel?
3) Has anyone ever experienced audio problems on high def channels? Two examples. This weekend during the Uconn/Villanova game (?), the HD CBS station was broadcasting the crowd noise and graphics noises, but no commentators! It was really odd. They eventually switched to the regular feed. Also, last night during 24 on Fox HD, there were at least half a dozen times when the dialogue seemed to break up or fade out.

Thanks in advance. I am sure I will have additional questions as I gain more viewing time.

cammy

03-01-06, 01:30 AM

I just got my 5060 yesterday; also in Save2; but I can't hear anything from my panel, even when I put my ear up to it. I can hear a quiet fan noise from the media box, but again, I have to get close to hear it. From my seating position (9') I can't hear the TV at all (muted, off course :) ).

Thanks Enigma! Glad to hear things are working out well for you! Let me know if you have any questions at any time. It's been a pleasure speaking with you.

We are anxiously waiting for another 5060 shipment to hit the warehouse soon. what is with plasmas this year :rolleyes: ? There is such a lack of inventory for any manufacture it seems for another of auth. retailers. not just us :((pioneer, panny, hitachi, NEC).

Cheers,
Cambryn :)

PAnoah6791

03-01-06, 01:48 AM

EVERYONE!!

DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS on buying the 5060?? Online?? if so, where? I recently got scammed by an online vendor (not an auth pio dealer though). Can anyone give me any suggestions?

Has anyone bought the 5060 from Beyondplasma or Satellite & Sound? They have it for about 1k less than the MSRP...??

Any thoughts guys / gals???

MANY MANY THANKS!!
Brandon

We bought our 4360 from Satellite & Sound, I would highly recommend them. Great experience all-around, this was our first major online electronics purchase and it couldn't have gone smoother. They had a great price, and their reps were easily accessible, helpful, and answered many of the questions we had even before we mentioned buying it. We ended up buying the 4360, a wall mount, and an extended warranty from them. The transaction was smooth as could be and the TV was at our house in 2 days :D Good luck :)

soosy

03-01-06, 02:49 AM

Well I checked out a 5061 for a while today. The lack of banding/false contouring had me very impressed. On the flip side though, I'm slightly bothered by the dithering noise, even though I assume that is what is creating the nice smooth gradients. I played with the DNR settings but I'm not really sure if I could see much of a difference with it on or off. Sometimes the dithering wasn't very noticeable at all, but other times, during camera pans especially, it almost looked like a screen door or haze in front of the image. Well screen door/haze is very strong for what it was, but that's the best way I can think of describing it. Overall the picture on the 5061 was a little darker than I prefer, which probably didn't help. I guess it's only the elite's that have a gamma control, eh? That's what I needed to brighten the image while keeping the blacks dark.

And what's up with the gray side bars on 4:3? I urge all Pioneer owners to start a letter writing campaign demanding a firmware update to allow black. :D

Ashlan

03-01-06, 09:07 AM

We bought our 4360 from Satellite & Sound, I would highly recommend them. Great experience all-around, this was our first major online electronics purchase and it couldn't have gone smoother. They had a great price, and their reps were easily accessible, helpful, and answered many of the questions we had even before we mentioned buying it. We ended up buying the 4360, a wall mount, and an extended warranty from them. The transaction was smooth as could be and the TV was at our house in 2 days :D Good luck :)

I concur. I bought my 5060HD from Sat and Sound, and Ryan was a great help with every question, every call, and every email I sent. He even went above and beyond in my opinion to get me plenty of info, explain everything from wall-mount issues, to what to expect when the shipper brought the TV to my house. He followed up after the fact, and when I discovered a day after I ordered my TV (and it was in shipping) that the 10 foot cable would not work for me due to where my component cabinet was in relation to my TV, he got me a 30' cable for a great price, and even had it shipped higher priority to make sure it got there before the TV did so I would have all I needed.

I would recommend them to anyone. Ryan or Doug. Both great guys.

OH, I got the TV, 30' cable, and a tilt wall mount... all for the best price I found in my research.

stevey

03-01-06, 09:34 AM

I have my MR sitting on a shelf all by itself, so it should have plenty of ventilation. I just think the tv I got was a lemon. The picture is know flashing in and out intermittently. At first I thought it could have been my cable box, but it is happening on all of my inputs. I've reseated every cable and the problem continues. I've tested several tvs and this is the one that I liked the most but this is giving me quite the scare considering how much I paid for it. I'll be doing the exchange today. Hopefully there's not a backlog for this tv.

By the way, my tv has a manuracturing date of October 2005 and I picked it up last week, so who knows how long it's been sitting around in their warehouse.

Check the user manual. It looks like you don't have 20" above the panel for ventilation unless I am not seeing the picture you sent correctly. I was suprised at the amount of space the manual said you need above the panel.

I had to remove a shelf in my setup to get the 20".

ssabripo

03-01-06, 09:48 AM

Is the MR in the 930/1130 upgradable thru firmware? I know it is Linux based, but just curious to know if anyone knows of firmware upgrades for them...

:confused:

gstahl

03-01-06, 02:09 PM

mhfnet

03-01-06, 03:11 PM

I am interested in the question ask earlier (or at least a different form of it). What are people using for the output format for HD-TIVO's?

- AFAIK there is no "native" setting for the HD-TIVO (bummer). At least none that I can see.
- One can change the format on the file when viewing content ("up" I believe on the remote), but there is no indication what the the native format of content is (unless ones happens to know).

My guess is that 720p is the best all around mode (closest to the panels native capabilities and avoids the judder issue) but this means possible scaling from 1080i to 720p and then some minimal panel scaling.

Thoughts, opinions, feedback?

Thanks.

Great (but long) thread.

I agree not having a "native" setting on the HD-TIVO is a bummer as the scaler on the TIVO is poor compared the one in the Pioneer. I don't like using 480p or 720p as again the de-interlacer is not very good on the TIVO and I don't think it even incorporates 2:3 pull-down detection for film based material (causes jaggies). I also don't like using 720p since most HD material is native 1080i and again I would rather have the Pioneer do the scaling down to the native 768p resolution of the panel.

The best you can do is to use the TIVO remote up arrow to switch between 480i, which is native for all SD channels, and 1080i, which I believe is native for all, or at least most, of the HD channels. If it is to much of a pain to switch between 480i and 1080i, I would leave it on 1080i as that way you always get the best PQ for HD, which in my opinion matters the most. I agree that the only downside to using 1080i is the "judder" it can cause on 24 fps film material if Pure Cinema is in the standard or ADV mode. But hey you can turn off Pure Cinema which eliminates the judder and is no worst than than having the TIVO do the de-interlacing. Hope that helps.

KirkP

03-01-06, 03:14 PM

Getting really frustrated now. I returned my first 5060 because of a stuck red pixel near the center of the screen. It wasn't a matter of me being too picky as it just stuck out in that location (as a point of reference, there were three stuck pixels spread out along the bottom that I never noticed during regular viewing and would have lived with).

My replacement arrived today. This one has a dead pixel absolutely dead center (could use it as a reticule while playing games) and a stuck red about two inches to the right. Again, given the location, it's impossible not to notice. Ironically, every other pixel on the screen is absolutely perfect. I'm unsure how bad center pixels are able to get through QA.

I love the PQ so I don't want to give up. Compared to other HDTVs, Pioneer works magic with SD. Luckily, Best Buy has been great about returns so far. I'm going to give it one more try...third time has got to be a charm. I'm more than willing to live with a dead pixel or two...but not in the middle of the screen!

CHolleman

03-01-06, 03:19 PM

I like the D*TV H20 receiver set with the native off, and outputing 1080i. i may have weird eyes, but the SD channels look better to me this way. (technically doesn't make sense i know as i thought that using the panel to scale would be better) the SD channels look washed out and grainier when the native is set to on. it also is one hell of a lag when changing from an SD channel to an HD channel as the H20 has to change formats and D*TV receivers have never been known for fast channel changing. YRMV.

rudyr

03-01-06, 04:09 PM

soosy

03-01-06, 04:11 PM

I played around some more and found the Game setting to have better looking colors to my eye... User and Standard were a touch pinkish or something. I also turned the sharpness down all the way and though blurrier, the dithering went almost completely away. This was with a cable HD signal and I think the source compression was getting enhanced. I ended up putting MPEG NR on Mid which I hadn't done before because I usually hate losing detail. I could then increase the sharpness without the dithering/compression getting too enhanced. In the end it looked pretty good, though perhaps a slight softening and loss of detail. I think I may be ready to spring for a 5061. :)

So any 5060/61 owners using Game as the primary mode? Also, I had the contrast up at 40-45 regardless of mode which seems pretty high compared to the settings I've seen listed. Maybe I just like images brighter than normal.

Well I checked out a 5061 for a while today. The lack of banding/false contouring had me very impressed. On the flip side though, I'm slightly bothered by the dithering noise, even though I assume that is what is creating the nice smooth gradients. I played with the DNR settings but I'm not really sure if I could see much of a difference with it on or off. Sometimes the dithering wasn't very noticeable at all, but other times, during camera pans especially, it almost looked like a screen door or haze in front of the image. Well screen door/haze is very strong for what it was, but that's the best way I can think of describing it. Overall the picture on the 5061 was a little darker than I prefer, which probably didn't help. I guess it's only the elite's that have a gamma control, eh? That's what I needed to brighten the image while keeping the blacks dark.

And what's up with the gray side bars on 4:3? I urge all Pioneer owners to start a letter writing campaign demanding a firmware update to allow black. :D

mhfnet

03-01-06, 04:19 PM

spudbudy

03-01-06, 04:59 PM

did you purchase yours online or at a B+M location? still can't seem to find anything in common with some getting the adapters and some not.

seeingdouble

03-01-06, 07:40 PM

seeingdouble

03-01-06, 07:53 PM

My PRO-930 came with two adapters by Trancend. One is labeled a CompactFlash Adapter, and the other a 5-in-1 Adapter.

Jay

I got my 1130 in November with no cards. Picked one up for Compactflash (which is all that I use) for about $10.00. Pioneer probably decided to include them when people started complaining that they should be included - considering the price they get for these displays.

Just my $0.02

sdrucker

03-02-06, 12:44 AM

Check the user manual. It looks like you don't have 20" above the panel for ventilation unless I am not seeing the picture you sent correctly. I was suprised at the amount of space the manual said you need above the panel.

I had to remove a shelf in my setup to get the 20".

20"???????

We're waiting for our 930 to be delivered from Tweeter, and were going to put it in a 44" wide space in our entertainment cabinet (that's the space where it would fit--we don't need the detachable speakers because the audio's getting piped into our A/V system).

There's no problem having 20" behind the panel for ventilation, but I don't think we're going to have more than 7" above it (I just measured the dimensions where this is going to go). The good news is that while the TV's hemmed in by a shelf, the space above the shelf's open (also about 7"), so there's more room to the right of the set.

Is this going to be a problem? I hate to give up on the Pioneer because of something like this.....are there fans that would help? If you absolutely need close to 20" room above the set, what's a reasonable alternative that would give us the PQ close to that of the Pioneer?

stevey

03-02-06, 07:14 AM

CharlesG

03-02-06, 10:30 AM

20"???????

We're waiting for our 930 to be delivered from Tweeter, and were going to put it in a 44" wide space in our entertainment cabinet (that's the space where it would fit--we don't need the detachable speakers because the audio's getting piped into our A/V system).

There's no problem having 20" behind the panel for ventilation, but I don't think we're going to have more than 7" above it (I just measured the dimensions where this is going to go). The good news is that while the TV's hemmed in by a shelf, the space above the shelf's open (also about 7"), so there's more room to the right of the set.

Is this going to be a problem? I hate to give up on the Pioneer because of something like this.....are there fans that would help? If you absolutely need close to 20" room above the set, what's a reasonable alternative that would give us the PQ close to that of the Pioneer?

sdrucker:
I have been breaking-in my new PRO-1130HD continuously 24/7 in order to break-in the plasma screen and to burn out any marginal components --- all before my 30 day return grace period expires.

I use a auto repeating DVD with the screen set per D-Link's safety settings, Power at Save2, and screen set at Zoom to fill the screen. Room temperature is 56 deg F. I am now in the 4th day of continuous 24/7 screen break-in and electronics burn-in. NO PROBLEMS --- yet.

Screen is mounted on the recessed backwall of an Ethan Allen shadow-box configured open media cabinet --- where the cabinet opening for the screen is 60W 40H and 11D. The distance from the top of the screen to the 11" deep "roof" is only about 6 inches. BUT --- there is an air gap in the cabinet along the top rear of the Ethan Allen media cabinet --- and of course the heat can also wind its way along the top of the cabinet and out the front.

If you have little or no ventalation at the top of your recessed cabinet, I would consider drilling large holes all along the top back of the cabinet --- like 3 inches diameter for each hole. Look into Forstner Bits for drilling the holes. Done with dimensional planning and care it should not "destroy" your nice cabinet.

I would also consider doing the continuous 24/7 test for 100-200 hours. You have done without the 930 --- so about 7-10 days of 24/7 dedicated testing under VERY controlled test and operating conditions should be a good investment to quickly detect/eliminate a potential "dog" from Pioneer and to verify your installation configuration. Have patience --- immediately run the uninterupted 24/7 7-10 day test and watch your present old clunker TV for another 7-10 days or so !!!

Good luck. CharlesG

sperlsco

03-02-06, 11:51 AM

sdrucker:
I have been breaking-in my new PRO-1130HD continuously 24/7 in order to break-in the plasma screen and to burn out any marginal components ...

Have patience --- immediately run the uninterupted 24/7 7-10 day test and watch your present old clunker TV for another 7-10 days or so !!!

Good luck. CharlesG

I should be receiving my 5060 tomorrow, and intended to do this very thing. Does anyone see any problems with running the TV 24/7 for a week+? I will not have any of the potential ventilation limitations described by the above posters.

Scott

Jeremy Snow

03-02-06, 12:07 PM

I am finally taking delivery of my 1130 tonight after a one month wait. Much thanks must go to forum members who have provided me with insight into my purchasing decision, although I lurked most of the time.

I was able to demo a Fujitsu, LG, Hitachi, Pioneer and the Elite all at the same store. Wilshire Entertainment in Thousand Oaks did a great job of in providing a one stop place to see all these Plasmas. The only one I never saw side by side was any Panasonic model. They unfortunately have been MIA since November in my area, which is unbelievable in my opinion. I initially was going to go with a Panny Comcercial 50" after seeing one. Lack of availability and the combination of other issues such as blades, scaler, stretch modes, speakers, appearance, 72Hz, service and warranty led me toward the Elite.

During my evaluation process I used three DVD's, Dark City, Fifth Element SB, and Finding Nemo.

Dark City was the most revealing of the bunch. The Elite did fantastic in those scenes. Dark City is a very black movie. The Elite rendered detail I never knew was there. The LG was gray instead of black and when it was black it seem to crush the blacks like LCD tends to do. The Hitachi was terrible. The Fujitsu was as good if not better than the Elite, however if only marginally so. I often questioned what I had seen and would not make any claim that one is actually better than the other, they were both amazing.

The Elite will be wall mounted with a universal chief tilt mount. I have installed a hospital grade surge suppressing outlet into the wall specifically for the plasma.

As part of this installation I have also installed a trio of Boston Acoutics DSi460's above the Plasma, a pair of DSi465's above the couch, PV500 10" sub in the corner and eight Aura Shakers in the couch. This system is more than adequate for the living room. The theater will come later. Acoustically the room is terrible and as such there is no point in putting better audio in there. I hope to post pictures to my gallery later this week.

I am looking for a new DVD player at this point as my old five disc sony (the first DVD changer ever made) is showing its age. I am waiting for OPPO's new unit to come out that is rumored to do 480i over HDMI. Until then I will continue with the Sony. I have been recording as many HD movies as I can so that I can watch them in 50" glory!

Again thanks to all. The next step is try various setups for picture. I may post my settings if I do anything different from those in the forum.

Jeremy

sdrucker

03-02-06, 01:33 PM

sdrucker:
I have been breaking-in my new PRO-1130HD continuously 24/7 in order to break-in the plasma screen and to burn out any marginal components --- all before my 30 day return grace period expires.

I use a auto repeating DVD with the screen set per D-Link's safety settings, Power at Save2, and screen set at Zoom to fill the screen. Room temperature is 56 deg F. I am now in the 4th day of continuous 24/7 screen break-in and electronics burn-in. NO PROBLEMS --- yet.

Screen is mounted on the recessed backwall of an Ethan Allen shadow-box configured open media cabinet --- where the cabinet opening for the screen is 60W 40H and 11D. The distance from the top of the screen to the 11" deep "roof" is only about 6 inches. BUT --- there is an air gap in the cabinet along the top rear of the Ethan Allen media cabinet --- and of course the heat can also wind its way along the top of the cabinet and out the front.

If you have little or no ventalation at the top of your recessed cabinet, I would consider drilling large holes all along the top back of the cabinet --- like 3 inches diameter for each hole. Look into Forstner Bits for drilling the holes. Done with dimensional planning and care it should not "destroy" your nice cabinet.

I would also consider doing the continuous 24/7 test for 100-200 hours. You have done without the 930 --- so about 7-10 days of 24/7 dedicated testing under VERY controlled test and operating conditions should be a good investment to quickly detect/eliminate a potential "dog" from Pioneer and to verify your installation configuration. Have patience --- immediately run the uninterupted 24/7 7-10 day test and watch your present old clunker TV for another 7-10 days or so !!!

Good luck. CharlesG

Charles,
Thanks for the detailed ventilation thoughts. The back of the entertainment cabinet is open (maybe 60" high , measuring from the base of the cabinet floor, and at least 36" wide, in back of the set, based on what I can remember at the office), so there's plenty of room in the back for heat to go out, I hope. The cabinet was originally custom-made for a 42" rear projection TV, and we needed the back open by so I could work with cables connecting that set to components. My wife LOVES the cabinet, and we spent a couple of months' mortgage on it, so I can't get rid of it just to buy a plasma set.

I would think that we're OK, with all that open space behind the set and an (mostly) open back cabinet in the area where the new set's going to go, so I don't think we need to drill holes in the back. We would still have at least 6" above the top of the set and a good 20" behind the set in the cabinet, but reading open about the ventilation holes at the top of the 930 spooked me. Heat rises to the top, after all. I figured better safe than sorry, which is why I brought it up here.

Thanks again. I'll try to keep the SAVE2 power setting in mind for the burn-in, along with other helpful hints from other folks (D-Link, I think it was) about initial configuration settings.

Stuart

nycbenz

03-02-06, 01:52 PM

I just got my 1130HD last month . It worked great. But suddenly a black bar popped up in the middle of the screen about 3/4 up going from left to right.

This is not something that I could of caused. I am trying to find a resolution , by getting a replacemnt model instead of a repair.

What can the problem be with this plasma...

The black bar now appears as part of the screen everytime I turn it on and and switch to any video input.. I did not burn anything in., this just appearead while watching CSI on monday night in HD.????

I am keeping the set off for now...
:mad:

Is this a known issue....help .. let me know >>>>

Karl_in_Chicago

03-02-06, 02:03 PM

I got my 1130 in November with no cards. Picked one up for Compactflash (which is all that I use) for about $10.00. Pioneer probably decided to include them when people started complaining that they should be included - considering the price they get for these displays.

Just my $0.02

When mine was delivered in November it definitely contained the cards.

lhamp

03-02-06, 02:54 PM

MaliciousBraham

03-02-06, 05:22 PM

CHolleman

03-02-06, 07:33 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Dlink.... that's great..... I'm sure D-Nice is getting a kick out this... :D

lhamp

03-02-06, 07:53 PM

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! Dlink.... that's great..... I'm sure D-Nice is getting a kick out this... :D

LMAO...

ssabripo

03-02-06, 08:18 PM

with regards to trying to get unscrambled QAM and OTA HD to work given the single HD decoder in the MR:

I get unscrambled QAM HD channels from analog cable off the wall, from channels 90.1 thru 117.300.

I also get HD channels thru an OTA HD antenna, from 2.1 thru 67.1

is it possible to use a diplexer to combine the OTA UHF/VHF HD channels with the HD channels from cable which run in the higher range?

i'm confused on how all this works :confused:

Nuzy

03-02-06, 09:46 PM

Thought I would ask this here since it is Pioneer related.. (SR+ functionality related...)

Does anyone have a US based source for 3.5mm 4 pole male - male patch cables? Even just a source for the plugs will work, I'll make my own cable...

must be 4 pole, i.e. 3 bands and 4 contact points. Stereo 3.5mm jacks are 3 pole. SR+ cables are apparently 4 pole. Common in the UK from what I can find on google, but have not found them state-side.

$40 for the pioneer branded cable is a lot.. especially when you can get two connectors for $2 each from the UK... Just looking for a US based source so I can try and save a little more...
I tried everywhere and couldn't find one until I stumbled upon a cable from a guy on ebay. The sellers name is Razern. I think it was around $5 and it works great. I believe it's called a video patch cord or something like that. Hardly anyone sells a miniplug cable with 4 poles at each end. No one sells it locally near me. If you search for SR+ in either this forum or the receiver forum you'll see the thread I started and the description to type in ebay when searching. Maybe you'll luck out and he's still selling them. Good luck. It was a major pain in the ass trying to find one of these "commercially available cables" as stated in the Pioneer manuals :rolleyes:

MaliciousBraham

03-03-06, 01:50 AM

I tried everywhere and couldn't find one until I stumbled upon a cable from a guy on ebay. The sellers name is Razern. I think it was around $5 and it works great. I believe it's called a video patch cord or something like that. Hardly anyone sells a miniplug cable with 4 poles at each end. No one sells it locally near me. If you search for SR+ in either this forum or the receiver forum you'll see the thread I started and the description to type in ebay when searching. Maybe you'll luck out and he's still selling them. Good luck. It was a major pain in the ass trying to find one of these "commercially available cables" as stated in the Pioneer manuals :rolleyes:

THanks for the seller name. He has them listed, i just didnt know what to search for.

Item is titled "Stereo Mini AV to Mini AV camcorder A/V dubbing cable"
Seller's name is "Razern"

less than $12 shipped for two 6' cables.

squiredogs

03-03-06, 09:12 AM

I'm wall mounting whatever panel I buy this spring. I was wondering if the 5060 cable is both the signal from the media receiver and the power cable. Does power come from from the just media box? Or do you have to have an outlet for power behind the panel and an second outlet for the media box?

elvisahmed

03-03-06, 09:23 AM

viper69

03-03-06, 11:03 AM

I am just in the process of sending back my second Dell 50, I am looking at the pio 43 or 50
Can you please explain the difference between the 5060/4360 and the cmx models. are they newer, older, better, worse, waht features are different. Any and all input would be helpful.

Thanks,

Steve

MaliciousBraham

03-03-06, 01:21 PM

KirkP

03-03-06, 05:43 PM

Yes, third time was a charm! I took delivery on my third 5061 and, unlike my first two, no dead/stuck pixels in the center of the screen. This time, for sanity's sake, I did not inspect the unit pixels up close (although this lack of inspection wouldn't have helped me with those previous center issues...you couldn't help but see those with so much "light" screen content typical in this area). Best Buy was wonderful throughout. Of course, the PQ is fantastic and something that I didn't want to give up on. Now, I look forward to properly breaking in the unit, knowing that I have no plans to exchange it.

lhamp

03-03-06, 05:50 PM

rcodey

03-03-06, 10:18 PM

I've had a 930 for nearly a month and love the picture except for one problem.I've noticed what I would describe as a red edging.I noticed it while watching the UCONN-VILL. game on CBS last week when there were wide shots of the court.Some players would have a red edging on their side.Last night on the Tonight show Selma Hayek's face would sometimes have this red edge at certain angles.I've also seen this on some other shows.What is the cause?What is the cure?

Nelsun

03-04-06, 12:30 PM

I thought I'd pop back into this thread after being away a bit. I wanted to post a few thoughts on the 1130 I purchased in December. The glass was manufactured in October, the whole panel was assembled in November. My set-up for broadcast is OTA in the San Francisco Bay Area and media input is DVD with an older non-upscaling DVD player. A Pioneer DVD/LD player DVL-91.

My settings are based on those from D-Nice and some tweaking with Video Essentials. Power level is -2, contrast is 30 and brightness is -4 or -2 in the User settings. The set has about 120 hours based on my notes. Though I'd like to find the menu setting to check the actual hours.

The first thing that I am surprised and not so surprised by is how fast I got used to the size of the set in my room. But the picture continues to impress. The thing that inspires this writng was last week's broadcast of CSI. The OTA picture in HD is amazing. There was a scene where a guy was in the lab looking at evidence and was slapping his head or something like that. The lighting was such that you could see the dust in the air fly out and the hairs on their heads. Colors are amazing with the CSI and CSI: Miami. On DVD, I finally pulled out Star Wars The Original Trilogy Special Edition and sampled a few scenes. What an amazing image from that remastered film. You can see the make-up on Carrie Fisher's face with so much more color. The hairs again were so clear. The detail of the model work and sets again were so vividly rendered on this screen.

The next steps will be to purchase the new Digital Video Essentials and a newer DVD player with upscaling, depending on the next HD players. But at this stage, the picture is quite amazing with standard def DVD's. I'll play with some of the settings like brightness and contrast. The picture does look a little dark now, but I was okay with it while in this break-in period. I am quite happy with this screen!

Kootenay Dog

03-04-06, 01:59 PM

Hello all,
I have finally made the decision on what will replace my ~6 year old CRT RPTV: the Pioneer 5060. Won't be actually buying it until late March, but after downloading the manual i have a question for the owners on this forum: do I have to manually switch from 4:3 to full 16:9 AV settings when i switch between 480i 4:3 SD broadcasts and 1080i 16:9 HD channels? My cable box does not have HDMI output; only component. We still watch some SD programming and just assumed the media box would tell the diffference between the signals.

Not a deal-breaker, but seems silly that i have to choose the setting when i change channels. I'm not a fan of strething 4:3 material to 16:9. My old Toshiba (that is being replaced by the Pioneer) does this automatically.

Thanks.

ssabripo

03-04-06, 02:38 PM

OK..TV is in!! :)

so far:
1) excellent picture

problem:
1) guys had to connect the cable to the MR to make sure everything is ok. The scan usually takes about 10 minutes or so, and channels were ok. PROBLEM: now I'm running the burn-in DVD, and when it's on the gray screen, I can see the outline of the menu still on the screen! :mad: (like it burned in)....WTF?!!

does this go away? I'm letting the burn in DVD run for a few hours, but should I be worried??

2) 2 dead pixels....pretty big (looks like 2 side-byside in each). One appears on gray/white screen of the burn-in DVD, the other on the Red screen.

what is the "policy"? should I follow up??

mhfnet

03-04-06, 04:35 PM

pddr1

03-04-06, 05:25 PM

sob story of the decade

i was strolling thru bb magnolia 4 days ago and noticed that the pro 1410 floor model was on sale - they were like giving it away. i was able to talk the guy down another 1,000 dollars and had it in my living room within 3 hours.

it didn't take long to realize the thing was eating up my living room and just wouldn't work out. the guys were back to pick it back up that same evening.

i have been in a mood since then. and to rub salt in the wound, it's going to be another month since they have the pro1130 in stock.

:(

ssabripo

03-04-06, 05:44 PM

Do you have the contrast below 30, 25 is safer?

yup...24 right now

Viventis

03-04-06, 06:05 PM

mhfnet

03-04-06, 07:14 PM

The set has about 120 hours based on my notes. Though I'd like to find the menu setting to check the actual hours.

You have a PM about how to check hours.

Also have you checked out my post on the settings I use with my 1130? The most important are setting it to "Pure" mode and color temp settings, which I got from a friend who had his 1130 pro calibrated. When I use his setting it produced a perfectly neutral and smooth greyscale using the AVIA (or you can used DVE) grey ramp test pattern. One good way to know is neutral (6500K) is to compare the standard mid and low-mid color temperatures against this custom color temp using the grey ramp test patttern and it is easy to see that mid is to cool (blue) and the low-mid is to warm (red) with a greenish tint. You will probably first have to set the brightness, contrast, color, and tint with AVIA or DVE.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7178871#post7178871

In my post I also make some comments on other settings but those were my personal preferences. Let me know what you think.

lhamp

03-04-06, 07:22 PM

yup...24 right now

ssab... I wouldn't be worried at this point... run the dvd for a few hours and you should be fine.

Let us know...

Nelsun

03-04-06, 07:33 PM

mhfnet-

Thanks for the link to your earlier post with your settings. I've made a copy of them and will try them out. Appreciate your insights too!

And you have PM too. Nelson

seeingdouble

03-04-06, 07:56 PM

I'd like to make a comment about something I have never seen in this thread or related ones, namely the 1130HD Subwoofer output. Well, being neither an audiophile nor rich (sometimes it appears that those attributes are synonymous), I have been waiting for the coffers to fill back up (after purchasing the display) before springing for the complete HT system. Not that the supplied speakers are bad, as a matter of fact, I find the sound pretty good. Nevertheless, I am doing the HT thing piecemeal. I have pretty much decided on the B&W M-1 speakers, and either the Yamaha 2600 or Pio 72txv. I have also been auditioning a number of subs. Well, although I know the Definitive bashers may not agree with my choice, I ended up buying a like-new Supercube II. Rather than leaving the beast boxed up until I complete my other purchases, I hooked it up to the Pioneer subwoofer output. Well, (did I mention I am not any audiophile?) it sounds really good to me. I find it blends in very well with the installed speakers and provides that extra fullness that was previously missing. I know the receiver +5 speakers will make a difference, but for now I am happy. Great picture & pretty decent sound. Bottom line, if you have a sub lying around, and no disposable income, you may want to hook it up.

ssabripo

03-04-06, 08:09 PM

ssab... I wouldn't be worried at this point... run the dvd for a few hours and you should be fine.

Let us know...

i'm running the DVD burn-in since 2 oclock this afternoon......non-stop!

how long do I need to keep going? :confused:

dukmahsik

03-04-06, 08:30 PM

100 hours!

thepawnshop

03-04-06, 08:55 PM

ssabripo

03-04-06, 08:58 PM

100 hours!

WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

you gotta be kidding me, right?! :(

you mean to tell me that I have to run this DVD for 100hours, and not watch anything else??? WTF?

how long do I let it run in a row? (do I turn it off at nite, etc?)

lhamp

03-04-06, 09:01 PM

i'm running the DVD burn-in since 2 oclock this afternoon......non-stop!

how long do I need to keep going? :confused:

Do you still see it... it must be lessening, no?

I haven't heard any one recommend this... but you might want to turn your plasma to "DYNAMIC" while you run the disc... just for a while... this would be the only time I'd ever set the thing to that setting.

lhamp

03-04-06, 09:02 PM

Happy 100 pages all.

This is an awesome thread... the first and last bookmark I check every day.

lhamp

03-04-06, 09:23 PM

WHAT?!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

you gotta be kidding me, right?! :(

you mean to tell me that I have to run this DVD for 100hours, and not watch anything else??? WTF?

how long do I let it run in a row? (do I turn it off at nite, etc?)

I don't think he was responding to your question... I think he's just happy that he reached 100 hours and can now up his contrast.
No... you don't have to run that thing for 100 hrs.

Karl_in_Chicago

03-04-06, 09:36 PM

Is there any way to disable the "TV Guide" feature on the 4360? I can not get it to work properly with my cable box (whenever I go to the HDTV channles on my motorola/cox box, it automatically changes the channel back to channel 4) so I would like to fix it where I dont see the blank TV guide screen everytime I power up my display. Is that possible, and if so, how do you do it?

Thanks!

I don't know about disabling the Guide feature but if it bothers you that much to see it when you power up the TV why not just change that option? I don't mind the Guide feature myself as I use OTA but I turned off the show TV Guide on powerup option.

thepawnshop

03-04-06, 09:57 PM

Karl_in_Chicago

03-04-06, 10:43 PM

I have looked all through the manual and couldn't find anything regarding "power up" options...which menu would I find that? Thanks (and please accept my apologies if that was a really stupid question)

Page 57 of the manual documents turning off "AutoGuide" in the General options of the TV Guide.

It's not a stupid question and I hope you don't think I was implying it was. When you spend the $$ that we've spent on equipment like this it's only natural to want to be able to make it behave exactly the way you want it to.

thepawnshop

03-04-06, 10:52 PM

Thanks, Karl! I was not implying that at all. I am incredibly grateful to you for taking the time to find what I could not. That is why forums like these are so awesome...actual users can be so much for helpful than tech support!

yojimbo1

03-05-06, 10:05 AM

I'm setting up my new 5060 and I'm having trouble eliminating the side bars on SD programming. I have set the 4:3 mode to "wide," but the grey side bars still appear.

What am I missing?

CHI-HD

03-05-06, 10:22 AM

I'm setting up my new 5060 and I'm having trouble eliminating the side bars on SD programming. I have set the 4:3 mode to "wide," but the grey side bars still appear.

What am I missing?

Don't know your display but a couple of guesses. I think it needs to be set to full to stretch it to fit the screen, keep changing the settings until it fits the screen.

When you are viewing certain digital channels, locals and ESPN, you sometimes can not stretch the picture on certain displays when they are not sending out a widescreen picture.

mefromfl

03-05-06, 10:38 AM

can someone also pm me directions on how to check my hours for the 4360? Thanks in advance.

lhamp

03-05-06, 12:32 PM

ssabripo

03-05-06, 12:48 PM

Skilaro

03-05-06, 12:49 PM

can someone also pm me directions on how to check my hours for the 4360? Thanks in advance.

With the MR on Standby and set to Input1
[EDIT]
You should see a semi transparent green screen, scroll through the pages to find the hour meter-
Note Be careful in there dont change any settings unless you really know what you are doing!

HistoneMaster

03-05-06, 01:06 PM

Guys,

I've tried to setup the TVGuide on the 1130 a couple of times, and nothing shows up.....What gives? :confused:

I put the correct Zip, I tell it is cable on ANTA, no cable box or VCR (straight from the wall), and I can see didly! :(

How new is your set? A day after I told mine to use the guide and put in the zip code, it asked me to choose a more specific cable option (Comcast basic, Comcast digital etc). After that it took about 28 hours to populate the guide with program information.

Doug

CHolleman

03-05-06, 02:04 PM

scottb8888

03-05-06, 03:08 PM

I just went to Best Buy and bought the 4361? Is that last year's model of the 4360? Did I do the wrong thing?

elvisahmed

03-05-06, 03:25 PM

I just went to Best Buy and bought the 4361? Is that last year's model of the 4360? Did I do the wrong thing?
Its not the new model its 4360. Its just best buy is including the mount and stand with their product and I guess wanna use it is protection against price matches. ;)

shane55

03-05-06, 03:41 PM

lhamp

03-05-06, 04:02 PM

With the MR on Standby and set to Input1
[EDIT]
You should see a semi transparent green screen, scroll through the pages to find the hour meter-
Note Be careful in there dont change any settings unless you really know what you are doing!

Careful Skil... I believe the moderators have asked that we not post SM codes.

In addition... you didn't tell him how to "scroll" through the pages... you might want to PM him that info... there's no way someone could figure that out.

mefromfl

03-05-06, 04:09 PM

Careful Skil... I believe the moderators have asked that we not post SM codes.

In addition... you didn't tell him how to "scroll" through the pages... you might want to PM him that info... there's no way someone could figure that out.

i just press up and down to go thru the pages? I see that my hours are at 696hrs, i know i didn't watch that long.

lhamp

03-05-06, 04:11 PM

i just press up and down to go thru the pages? I see that my hours are at 696hrs, i know i didn't watch that long.

mef... i'll send you a PM.

mefromfl

03-05-06, 04:19 PM

Panel, Cable, or D*TV?

here's the setup: 4360, 6' Monoprice HDMI cable, D*TV H20 receiver.

every once in awhile, i'll get macroblocking on some channels or the screen will go blank with audio, or the screen will freeze and i'll still have audio. it's not an all the time thing and it seems to happen on SD and HD channels. My gut says it's the satellite, but it happened the other night when there was a stiff breeze, but no clouds. trees have no leaves so that's not an option either. Any ideas?

I have the same setup as u, with the monoprice hdmi cable too, i do get some pixelation when there is fast motion. I have gone thru 2 diffrent H20 recievers, i'm kind of wondering if it could be the hdmi cables that is doing this. Anyone with same setup ?

Enigma

03-05-06, 08:05 PM

Guys,

I've tried to setup the TVGuide on the 1130 a couple of times, and nothing shows up.....What gives? :confused:

I put the correct Zip, I tell it is cable on ANTA, no cable box or VCR (straight from the wall), and I can see didly! :(

I noticed this as well when I first got my 5060. The Media box needs to be on standby for the guide to update/populate. I had been leaving it on overnite on HDNET for initial "burn-in", but after I found out this I turned it off overnite. The next morning all of the channels (and a lot I don't actually get) were in the guide; most had actual programming. I was a little surprised that it worked this way, ota, without having to have the tuner tuned to some specific channel which was broadcasting this data. Don't know how it works, but it did work for me once I left the box on standby overnite.

mefromfl

03-05-06, 08:54 PM

I have seen the settings for the 4360 setting after break in, but i can't seem to find it now, can someone please point me to where it is or pm me? Thank you.

soosy

03-06-06, 12:15 AM

Hi all...
I'm new to the Pioneer line, and without going back through the last 100 pages of this thread (I know that to some that seems lazy... sorry), I was wondering if someone could give me a quick comparison (PQ and feature differences) between the Pro 1130HD and the 5060HD.

Same glass? If both were calibrated properly, would there be much of a visual difference?

TIA!

shane

1130 looks different with black swivel stand and MR.
1130 has additional color controls like the Pure mode, gamma control, color temp adjustments.
1130 has 2 year warranty instead of 1 year.

One tech told a poster he could make either look just as good through ISF calibration. Same glass though some think 1130 has better quality control in the factory.

Others have commented that the Pure mode makes a big PQ difference.

I've personally just seen the 5060.