Also, I'm assuming its a now but is it possible to place the TV on the media receiver?

No, not possible unless you want to squish it like a little bug ;)

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: 0
Color: -12
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV or Off

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Mid
MPEG NR: Low

power save mode: save2

D-nice... do you have a preference for after the break in? I looke thru a heap of these pages to see if you posted after break in settings but didn't see anything. I know it is alot user preferences... but a starting point would be great.

Also, I was using the Avia disk to calibrate for after burn in and was surprised by a couple of things....
1) I had to go up to like 48 on the contrast to get one of the moving bars to disappear on the that particular video setting part. And NO I have no plans to leave it that high... it was way to bright for me. I think I put it at like 27 or something like that.
2) on the black level settings I went LOW and still was able to see (unless my eyes were buggy from all the staring at the screen) both moving bars.... unless I went all the way down on brightness.... is that normal?

Last bit... ok if you need to calibrate for each input, how can you use the AVIA disk for the input for your TV(Cable in my case)?

thanks for answering a n00b's questions.

(I have the 5060HD with a simple cable box just for digital (no hdmi or such). I am inputting that into the antenna A as the B side is the only side that allows HD input so i have my OTA antenna into that one. I have a samsung hd dvd841 ( which I am increasingly not happy with) using component cables instead of the DVI output. )

HERE's a big issue that may seal the deal with her. The Panny stand is cheap and doesn't swivel. I know the elite does swivel but can it also tilt? And also can I raise the stand up to a higher level? I have a fairly big center channel (paradigm cc-470) which is about 9inches up and a very versatile stand would help seal the deal......

Yes it can tilt, although I think you hae to loosen a screw? As far as raising the plasma, if my memory is correct, Pioneer still ships them with the "extended" stand posts. I don't think it is 9" taller but it should help.

By the way, I have not seen the two models side by side (only one at a time and the panny was the 42 inch model). I know that the specs don't reveal all but seriously, if the panny has a higher contrast ratio, higher resolution, and can produce more colors, from a PQ standpoing is the elite's only advantage its motion processing?

1. The contrast ratio isn't any different than the Pioneer. Both claim a 4000:1 static contrast ratio for the 50" models. Dynamic contrast ratios are a gimmick and the people who came up with it should be hung in their home town's square :D

2. Just for reference, last years Panasonics claimed to have more colors, yet still, they were not "superior" to the 6G Pioneers.

D-Nice welcome back I was wondering where you've been. Hope all is well.

Question you still have the Oppo. I was watching the movie the Abyss special edition which is 2:35.1. I always like to have the top and bottom bars removed when I watch movies in that format so I use the zoom on the Pio and it removes the bars. On this movie it does not when I use the zoom function. I have to use the zoom function on the Oppo to get rid of them but the picture quality is no good.

I wonder if there is a difference between widescreen 2:35.1 and letterboxed 2:35.1 which doesnt allow the top and bottom bars to be removed completely using zoom function.

Sorry for my absence. I had to spend a large amount of my time coordinating the sale of my current home and the construction of my new home. All is well and I'll be "homeless" for about 2 months....YIKES!!!!!

Yes I still have the Oppo (somewhere in here). Correct me if I am wrong but letterbox movies aren't anamorphic. Widescreen 2:35.1 usually is anamorphic.

Hi i been posting on this thread a few times, but never really got an answer. So i hope someone can answer a similar question.

I have a pioneer 4360 with D* 20 reciever. I sometimes sit about 2-3 feet under the plasma and notice squares or pixelation when there is a fast changing scene transition. It's not a signal problem because it would happen at the same scene and it happens when there are like sparks or big lighting scene on too. I first thought it might be D*, but when I went to my brother's house, who has the 1130 and i stand up close to it, I do see the same thing also, he has cable. So i'm wondering if this is normal for the pioneer when im watching the tv close up. Thank you in adavance for your reply.

btw, this does happen with my OTA antenna too, and when i'm watching nfl network, sometimes when the word is scrolling from left to right, the letters are fuzzy or jittery.


It's called macroblocking and is caused by over-compressing the signal. It comes as a "standard" feature with D* and any of your local channels you get OTA where they have subchannels in the mix.

I am looking at buying my first plasma and am debating between waiting for the new Panny 50PX600U or going for the Pioneer 5060HD. I have a couple questions I hope someone can answer, first, what is the difference between the 1280x768 resolution on the 5060 and the 1366x768 on the panny? Which one is a more natural look?

Also, I am seeing a lot of people talk about the Pioneer Elite 1130HD and I gather it is the same overall panel as the 5060 only with a few more tweaks available. Am I correct on that? Is the Elite worth the extra money for someone who is not that big of an Audio Visual person?

Finally, I know price cannot be discussed but I was wondering if anyone can recommend a good online authorized retailer for both the best price and service? I know TVAuthority is a sponsor and I will be calling them but before I go through the list on the Pioneer website and call each one I was hoping someone could point me in the right direction.

Also, does anyone know if there is a good local dealer in the Charlotte, NC area who would be willing to negotiate a bit? I would prefer to buy locally but won't pay MSRP for the set.

I am leaning towards the Pioneer and will probably pull the trigger in the next 2 weeks. Thanks for your help, this website is great!


Did you also take into consideration that the Pio's have the media center versus inputs on the panel itself? This was the key in my decision between both brands.
It's cake to change and adjust inputs when you don't have to fish against the wall if that's your choice of mount, as it was in my case.

There is a new review of the the Pioneer Elite PRO-1130HD at Ultimate AV:


http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/306pioneer/

By the way, I have not seen the two models side by side (only one at a time and the panny was the 42 inch model). I know that the specs don't reveal all but seriously, if the panny has a higher contrast ratio, higher resolution, and can produce more colors, from a PQ standpoing is the elite's only advantage its motion processing?

Also, I'm assuming its a now but is it possible to place the TV on the media receiver?

Specs are just a guideline. The only specs I believe are those measured by reputable pro reviewers. For example plasmas have continually increased the number of bits of color to improve color gradient smoothness and reduce banding. The Pioneer has 10-bit color processing and the new Hitachi's and NEC's have 14-bit color processing but the Pioneer kills those display's in color smoothness and lack of banding. Also Panasonic claims 3000:1 contrast ratio on the PX50/500 series but the measured (from Home Theater Magazine reviews) dynamic contrast is 779:1 and static (ANSI) contrast is 364:1 (ANSI contrast is a more indicative of that you see) while the Pioneer 5060/1130 has a dynamic contrast ratio of 611:1 (due to full white screen brightness limit) and it has one of the highest static (ANSI) contrast ratio of any display at 1,135:1!

Hmmm...I'll have to check out the internet dealers although I'm mighty afraid of going online for such an expensive purchase. Maybe its just paranoia. I guess I'd like to know someone is right around the corner if there is a problem. Plus, the elites are B&M only, correct? I told the fiance about the 60U and well even before seeing it her mind is made up....sigh...I'm gonna have to see if I can talk down the elite vendors down but still, I'd need like a 20% before I can convince the fiance.

HERE's a big issue that may seal the deal with her. The Panny stand is cheap and doesn't swivel. I know the elite does swivel but can it also tilt? And also can I raise the stand up to a higher level? I have a fairly big center channel (paradigm cc-470) which is about 9inches up and a very versatile stand would help seal the deal......

I agree with you about your wariness about internet dealers but many people have bought plasmas from reputable dealers, like the forum sponsors, with great success. However you are also correct the the Elite cannot be bought over the internet. There were several Elite dealers in my area and I was able to get a sweet deal on an Elite 1130 by bargaining between the dealers. PM me if you want to know the price I paid.

Regarding stands, the 50PX600 has a nice stand but not as nice as the Elite stand. However if you like the 5060 from a price point of view, you can get an Elite stand from Ebay sellers for under $100. Also none of the stands are tall enough to place a 9" center channel in front of the plasma without blocking the picture. I had to put my Definitive center behind the plasma and it works okay but I am looking to replace the console the plasma sits on with one with a place for a center channel or replace the center channel with one of the narrower Definitive models.

Are Pioneer Elites the only plasmas that come with the media center? I really need a plasma with one - or at least have the option to have just one cord coming from the TV/Monitor since it will hang above the fireplace......

Are Pioneer Elites the only plasmas that come with the media center? I really need a plasma with one - or at least have the option to have just one cord coming from the TV/Monitor since it will hang above the fireplace......


Nope. The 4360 and 5060 both come with a MR.

Nope. The 4360 and 5060 both come with a MR.



Thanks - and I failed to also ask....is Pioneer the only brand to offer MRs?

D-nice... do you have a preference for after the break in? I looke thru a heap of these pages to see if you posted after break in settings but didn't see anything. I know it is alot user preferences... but a starting point would be great.

Nope. Just increase your Contrast 3-5 clicks and take your power save mode out of save2 (only if you want to).


Also, I was using the Avia disk to calibrate for after burn in and was surprised by a couple of things....
1) I had to go up to like 48 on the contrast to get one of the moving bars to disappear on the that particular video setting part. And NO I have no plans to leave it that high... it was way to bright for me. I think I put it at like 27 or something like that.
2) on the black level settings I went LOW and still was able to see (unless my eyes were buggy from all the staring at the screen) both moving bars.... unless I went all the way down on brightness.... is that normal?

No that is not normal. I can see below black information on my 930 Elite. Your Samsung DVD player is crushing blacks.


Last bit... ok if you need to calibrate for each input, how can you use the AVIA disk for the input for your TV(Cable in my case)?

You should not use AVIA to calibrate your cable input. You can use HDNet's test patterns that come on early Tuesday mornings. It will allow you to properly setup your cable input. You should also think about getting a HDMI cable box or atleast connecting it to your Pioneer thru component cables.

Thanks - and I failed to also ask....is Pioneer the only brand to offer MRs?

For plasmas....yes.

Nope. Just increase your Contrast 3-5 clicks and take your power save mode out of save2 (only if you want to).




No that is not normal. I can see below black information on my 930 Elite. Your Samsung DVD player is crushing blacks.




You should not use AVIA to calibrate your cable input. You can use HDNet's test patterns that come on early Tuesday mornings. It will allow you to properly setup your cable input. You should also think about getting a HDMI cable box or atleast connecting it to your Pioneer thru component cables.

Thanks D-Nice... guess it is off to find a good DVD Player to match up with my PIO then. Just not thrilled to have to spend too much really... but I do find the Samsung's problems increasingly irritating.

Thanks D-Nice... guess it is off to find a good DVD Player to match up with my PIO then. Just not thrilled to have to spend too much really... but I do find the Samsung's problems increasingly irritating.


The new OPPO player might be your best bet. It will send a 480i signal over HDMI and let the Pioneer process the signal. It will also pass BTB. The cost is expected to be between $125-150 since it will not have the Faroudja chip.

Are Pioneer Elites the only plasmas that come with the media center? I really need a plasma with one - or at least have the option to have just one cord coming from the TV/Monitor since it will hang above the fireplace......

As others have said the 5060 and 1130 have a media box and I believe Pioneer is the only plasma with one. However I think this may be the last model year you will see a media box on a Pioneer plasma as the new 50" 1080P PRO_FHD1 does not have one, but I maybe wrong.

The new OPPO player might be your best bet. It will send a 480i signal over HDMI and let the Pioneer process the signal. It will also pass BTB. The cost is expected to be between $125-150 since it will not have the Faroudja chip.

what is the model number?

what is the model number?


970H, search the DVD forum and you will find a couple of threads. I believe the realease date has been pushed back to the end of April.

what chip will be in it? I thought the Faroudja chip was the better choice?

what chip will be in it? I thought the Faroudja chip was the better choice?
but if the pioneer's going to be doing the interlacing...

(edit: um, i mean DE-interlacing. i plead "tuesday".)

but if the pioneer's going to be doing the interlacing...

i am such a n00b at this stuff... sheesh.

So in the experience of the other 5060 users here (or heck... all pio owners) the PIO does a good job, so i shouldn't worry so much about whether it has a certain chip? I mean the Samsung has a Zoran chip and it has not impressed me. :rolleyes:

I was watching the movie the Abyss special edition which is 2:35.1. I always like to have the top and bottom bars removed when I watch movies in that format so I use the zoom on the Pio and it removes the bars. On this movie it does not when I use the zoom function. I have to use the zoom function on the Oppo to get rid of them but the picture quality is no good.

I wonder if there is a difference between widescreen 2:35.1 and letterboxed 2:35.1 which doesnt allow the top and bottom bars to be removed completely using zoom function.
if you "zoom" a letterboxed picture, you're doing a symmetrical zoom of a 4:3 picture, so you end up with what you're supposed to see (only bigger). but if you zoom an anamorphic picture, you're going to turn everybody into overly-tall skinny folk.

what chip will be in it? I thought the Faroudja chip was the better choice?

It will be using the el cheapo MediaTek MPEG decoder. And no, the Faroudja chipset is not superior to the Pioneer's scaler.

My MR (made in Indonesia; Manufacture date: Jan 2006) sits in the room w/ all hardwood floor, no drape and the buzzing noise is loud. I can clearly detect it any where in my 20x26 room.

I read some posts where some didn't have any issues w/ the noise. Can you post where's your MR made in?

Cheers,
TP

I've seen the PX60U and it still does not hold a candle to an Elite 1130. The colors are better than the PX50U that it replace, but that's it. Yes the Panasonic is cheaper, but it is NOT an Elite in any form.

If you are worried about the cost, go get the Panasonic. If you care more about PQ, you need to stick with the 1130.

In the end, you get what you pay for.


D-Nice,

I also saw your review of the PX60 on the Panasonic thread and I have a question, have they improved the picture brightness on the Panasonics where it is as good as the Pioneers? Previous generation Panasonics had great blacks but the whites never seemed, well white like the Pioneer. Also the Pioneers have amazing contrast that it is immediately apparent on scenes that contain both deep blacks and bright whites. How is static (ANSI) contrast on the Panasonics, has it been improved?

For plasmas....yes.

Edit: this was for the op asking of availability in other brands (sorry wrong quote)

I believe that last Sony Plasma 'XBR model came with a MR (in white). I understand that Sony will no longer "manufacturer" these, but you might be able to find via internet.

My sister-in-law bought one from a local store about 3 months ago. I found a few sites on-line advertising (but you'll have to confirm if there is supply still). I didn't pursue as I prefer Pro-1130 anyway :D

D-Nice,

I also saw your review of the PX60 on the Panasonic thread and I have a question, have they improved the picture brightness on the Panasonics where it is as good as the Pioneers? Previous generation Panasonics had great blacks but the whites never seemed, well white like the Pioneer. Also the Pioneers have amazing contrast that it is immediately apparent on scenes that contain both deep blacks and bright whites. How is static (ANSI) contrast on the Panasonics, has it been improved?

The new Panasonics still are not as bright as the Pioneers. However, they are slightly brighter than the PX50/500s. I don't know if they have improved the ANSI ratio...didn't really look like they did. Regardless if they did or not, they really do look impressive...... but IMO they still cannot best the 930/1130s ;)

Mine's still under break-in mode. Any new settings to try out under dif A/V mode such as, User/Movie? All help is greatly appreciated. D-Nice?

Cheers,
TP

Mine's still under break-in mode. Any new settings to try out under dif A/V mode such as, User/Movie? All help is greatly appreciated. D-Nice?

Cheers,
TP

Nope. Pure mode is the best mode on the Elites. I posted some updated settings a page or so ago. You can try those if you want.

My MR (made in Indonesia; Manufacture date: Jan 2006) sits in the room w/ all hardwood floor, no drape and the buzzing noise is loud. I can clearly detect it any where in my 20x26 room.

I read some posts where some didn't have any issues w/ the noise. Can you post where's your MR made in?

Cheers,
TP

MR: Jan 2006, Malaysia
Speakers (still in box): Jan 2006, Indonesia
Stand: Jan 2006, Japan
Panel: Feb 2006, US (with Japanese and US components)

While my MR is not dead quiet, I don't notice it >90% of the time. My wife has never noticed it and probably never will, knowing her.

what brand of dvd player do you use or recommend D-Nice?

D-Nice,

Your settings are good for the 1130? I thought you posted them for a 930. I played around with the Avia DVD and it was pretty in depth. I didn't think it was set up for Plasma's as it was created in 1999 and only referred to Lcd's and CRT's.

My settings will work with both sets.

My settings will work with both sets.

Thanks, I am proud to say I noticed no stuck or dead pixels during the test screens on Avia's disc.

what brand of dvd player do you use or recommend D-Nice?

Panasonic S77
Sony NS975 or NS90
Denon 2910,3910,5910
Pioneer 59 and 79avi

Thanks - and I failed to also ask....is Pioneer the only brand to offer MRs?


No, Panasonics "top model" series have a MR as well.

need your opinons.

i posted awhile back in this thread about the standby LED light not working anymore on the panel. i talked to the Repair techs today and was told that they would pick it up and take it to their repair facility. they couldn't tell me how long it would take to fix it, but i think i remember "under a week".

fixing the LED is more of a principle thing to me. i paid good money for a tv that's a month and a half old and even though the LED is a cosmetic thing more or less i don't think i should have to deal with being without it.

now i have to remove the tv from the wall (kind of a pain) and be without it for ~week.

i know it's my tv and ultimately it's up to me, but if it were you, what would you do? i'm afraid of the repair guy crashing around in there and messing something else up, or it getting damaged during shipment or something. functionally the tv is fine and the picture is great. like i said it's the principle...

For a stupid little LED? No way! You have a beautiful TV, enjoy it. No one but you knows the LED doesn't work. "Principle" doesn't pay the bills. Leave saving the world to super heros & college students... :p

With both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players scheduled to hit the stores in the next 3 months, why would anyone buy anything but the most basic sub-$100 progressive scan DVD player at this time? Is the improvement in PQ great enough to justify a high end player that will be low end in six months? What am I missing?

A little more on topic is the question of how to get Dolby Digital surround from both the TV and DVD player. Since the optical out from the Media Rcvr is disabled when using a HDMI input, I assume that I should run two optical outs to my A/V rcvr (one from the TV and one from the DVD player) to get surround from both. Does this work?

Nope. Pure mode is the best mode on the Elites. I posted some updated settings a page or so ago. You can try those if you want.

Thank you much

TP

MR: Jan 2006, Malaysia
Speakers (still in box): Jan 2006, Indonesia
Stand: Jan 2006, Japan
Panel: Feb 2006, US (with Japanese and US components)

While my MR is not dead quiet, I don't notice it >90% of the time. My wife has never noticed it and probably never will, knowing her.

My MR bugs the heck out of me when the plasma is not on. My wife wonders why I listen music a lot lately ;-)

[QUOTE=WilliWu]With both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players scheduled to hit the stores in the next 3 months, why would anyone buy anything but the most basic sub-$100 progressive scan DVD player at this time? Is the improvement in PQ great enough to justify a high end player that will be low end in six months? What am I missing?QUOTE]

Practicallity is never a part of videophile / audiophile equation. Hardcore enthusiast willing to pay thousands of $ just for "an inch" of gain or worse when an ordinary Joe can't tell the difference. Have you ever heard a pair of 3-meter speaker cables for $30k? ;-)

Cheers,
TP

With both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players scheduled to hit the stores in the next 3 months, why would anyone buy anything but the most basic sub-$100 progressive scan DVD player at this time? Is the improvement in PQ great enough to justify a high end player that will be low end in six months? What am I missing?

Who said any one of the new players would be able play regular DVDs better than the current crop of DVD players? Who said that there would be a plethora of HD-DVD/BR titles available in the next 365 days? How many delays have we seen for both players so far? Have you seen a Pioneer 59/79 paired with a 6G plasma? Have you seen a Denon 2910/3910/5910 paired with a 6G Pioneer?

Right now, I think I'll put my money towards "proven" technology. Sure I will get a HD-DVD player and/or a hybrid player next year, but I'll be damned if I'm going to put all of my cash into "brand new" technology.

With both Blu-ray and HD-DVD players scheduled to hit the stores in the next 3 months, why would anyone buy anything but the most basic sub-$100 progressive scan DVD player at this time? Is the improvement in PQ great enough to justify a high end player that will be low end in six months? What am I missing?


Right now you can get the Sony ns90 that dnice posted above for about 200 bucks, and the ns75 (same unit but without super audio) for, like, 130 or less... although they wont do 480i via hdmi, put them on 720p and you will be blown away.

So even if you are willing the plunk down the dough for the new technologies you alluded to, these are not bad stop gap units.

Who said any one of the new players would be able play regular DVDs better than the current crop of DVD players? Who said that there would be a plethora of HD-DVD/BR titles available in the next 365 days? How many delays have we seen for both players so far? Have you seen a Pioneer 59/79 paired with a 6G plasma? Have you seen a Denon 2910/3910/5910 paired with a 6G Pioneer?

Right now, I think I'll put my money towards "proven" technology. Sure I will get a HD-DVD player and/or a hybrid player next year, but I'll be damned if I'm going to put all of my cash into "brand new" technology.

With this I strongly agree.... no one knows when this will be settled... or when there will be a worthwhile amount of titles to make me wanna upgrade. I want a great set of electronics for what I have NOW. To me... that means a DVD player...

Will go look at the model choices you noted D-Nice.

BTW... anyone think any of the Onkyo (or its upscale part -- Integra, right?) is any good for DVD players? My Reciever is a high end Onkyo and I love it. (I know.. prob off topic)

With this I strongly agree.... no one knows when this will be settled... or when there will be a worthwhile amount of titles to make me wanna upgrade. I want a great set of electronics for what I have NOW. To me... that means a DVD player...

Will go look at the model choices you noted D-Nice.

BTW... anyone think any of the Onkyo (or its upscale part -- Integra, right?) is any good for DVD players? My Reciever is a high end Onkyo and I love it. (I know.. prob off topic)

Ashlan... I have the onkyo sr803 receiver, and like you, I love it. I got it because of it's hdmi swtiching (and really cool blue ring light around the volume dial). i was concerned because in the past i've had super high end amps (krell, b&k) and I always thought Onkyo was a good "mid-fi" brand... but I was pleasantly surprised.

That said...I'd probably stay away from their dvd players. I don't know specifically what they've got on the market right now... but they've never been known for dvd players.

need your opinons.

i posted awhile back in this thread about the standby LED light not working anymore on the panel. i talked to the Repair techs today and was told that they would pick it up and take it to their repair facility. they couldn't tell me how long it would take to fix it, but i think i remember "under a week".

if it's just out, i'd personally leave it. i thought that you said it was flickering, though. that would absolutely drive me nuts.

if it's just out, i'd personally leave it. i thought that you said it was flickering, though. that would absolutely drive me nuts.

when it started to go bad, it was flickering. but it was so faint you could barely see it unless you were right up on it. now it's just off.

i'd imagine that you could pop off the front bezel and replace it from there. not sure why the repair guy has to take it to his shop. i've worked with electronics before, but trying to take apart something like this is not for the faint of heart. i think i'll just leave it. :(

I with you with your original thought...have them fix it! Yes, it's just an indicator light, but it doesn't work, and it should!

Does anyone subscribe to the thought of going past the mostly talked about 200 hour break in period, Or is that just overkill? I could have sworn someone had suggested 1000 hrs previously.

Anyone...D Nice?

Does anyone subscribe to the thought of going past the mostly talked about 200 hour break in period, Or is that just overkill? I could have sworn someone had suggested 1000 hrs previously.

Anyone...D Nice?

I think going over 200 would be overkill... some would even argue that going all the way to 200 is unnecessary.... but in my opinion, better safe than sorry.

think it is 100 hour break in... caution period of 1000 hours.

think it is 100 hour break in... caution period of 1000 hours.

That's right... many use 100 hours as the break-in target.

I with you with your original thought...have them fix it! Yes, it's just an indicator light, but it doesn't work, and it should!

i dunno man, i'm starting to lean towards f**-it. I don't really want to go through the hassle of taking it down and being without it for a week. i'm thinking if something else were to go bad i'll have them replace it, but for now......

.......why can't they just replace the thing while it's at my house?????

i dunno man, i'm starting to lean towards f**-it. I don't really want to go through the hassle of taking it down and being without it for a week. i'm thinking if something else were to go bad i'll have them replace it, but for now......

.......why can't they just replace the thing while it's at my house?????

Some people have commented that they hate the glare of indicator light in a dark room. Maybe this is a mixed blessing?

Right now you can get the Sony ns90 that dnice posted above for about 200 bucks, and the ns75 (same unit but without super audio) for, like, 130 or less... although they wont do 480i via hdmi, put them on 720p and you will be blown away.

So even if you are willing the plunk down the dough for the new technologies you alluded to, these are not bad stop gap units.

I know no one has seen them yet. But would you consider the new Oppo 970 given the fact it will do 480i via hdmi for about $150. Or would you stick to the above mentioned until a new player is purchased whether blu ray or HD DVD

That's right... many use 100 hours as the break-in target.


But even so, after the break in the rule of thumb still applies that you vary viewing, don't always watch with bars on the screen, limit gaming, and avoid fixed images. Right?

WELL, that would be deemed cautious viewing right? I think I always take note of tv station logos, or too much gaming, etc. So I think if you use basic common sense and make sure anyone else in your house does the same, you should be good to go.

But even so, after the break in the rule of thumb still applies that you vary viewing, don't always watch with bars on the screen, limit gaming, and avoid fixed images. Right?

I've owned another plasma for six or seven years now and I still follow those basic guidelines.

Anybody have any tips on how to use the colour management tools in the 930 and 1130?

i.e., If the screen has a bit of red push, how do you compensate for it? Although there are settings for red, green, blue, cyan, yellow, and magenta, these do not actually seem to affect the relative strength of those colours - the red tool, for example, gives you the choice of skewing red towards magenta (mixing in blue, presumably), or towards yellow (mixing in green presumably).

Thanks!
Eric.

Anybody have any tips on how to use the colour management tools in the 930 and 1130?

i.e., If the screen has a bit of red push, how do you compensate for it? Although there are settings for red, green, blue, cyan, yellow, and magenta, these do not actually seem to affect the relative strength of those colours - the red tool, for example, gives you the choice of skewing red towards magenta (mixing in blue, presumably), or towards yellow (mixing in green presumably).

Thanks!
Eric.

I use color temperature to compensate for pushes. Anything that exists across all content.

There is an R-high and R-low. R-high is for high level reds, i.e. bright scenes, R-low is for low level reds, i.e. red casts in dark scenes. Just one or two clicks of the slider and you should see a difference.

Who said any one of the new players would be able play regular DVDs better than the current crop of DVD players? Who said that there would be a plethora of HD-DVD/BR titles available in the next 365 days? How many delays have we seen for both players so far? Have you seen a Pioneer 59/79 paired with a 6G plasma? Have you seen a Denon 2910/3910/5910 paired with a 6G Pioneer?

D-Nice, can you offer your take on the PQ & sound when compare between 59avi & Oppo dvd players?

BTW, your setting works well & got rid of the "greeny' image. Pic looks no natural on all resolutions ;-)

Cheers,
TP

Do any of you Pioneer 930 owners want to get ride of your TV stand that came with your TV? I believe it is the PDK-1013? I am soon going to purchase a PDP-4360 and don't want the Silver stand that comes with it, and want to replace it with the all black stand that comes with the Elite 930.

Does this stand also fit other models as well?

http://i4.ebayimg.com/05/i/06/90/3a/34_1.JPG

I am looking at getting the pio 4360, whats the difference between the 4360 and 61, also someone told me that the 4360 and 1130 elite were the same picture with extra ''bells and whisles'' is the PQ that close to the 4360 and 1130 elite. I seen some pictures posted of the 1130 elite and it looks killer!!!, I really want to get the 4360 I recently changed my mind about the panny th42px60u and moved over to the pio. I went bestbuy in chino hills, CA and you wound not believe how bad they let the displays look. all the displays were blury and so bright that it would drive anyone right out the door looking to spend 2500 on a Plasma TV

Do any of you Pioneer 930 owners want to get ride of your TV stand that came with your TV? I believe it is the PDK-1013? I am soon going to purchase a PDP-4360 and don't want the Silver stand that comes with it, and want to replace it with the all black stand that comes with the Elite 930.

Does this stand also fit other models as well?

http://i4.ebayimg.com/05/i/06/90/3a/34_1.JPG

The 1013 stand also fits the 5060 (I have it on mine). There are always a couple available on Ebay. I got mine for less than the cost of shipping.

The 1013 stand also fits the 5060 (I have it on mine). There are always a couple available on Ebay. I got mine for less than the cost of shipping.

Thanks Viventis. It does NOT tilt though, correct?

Here's a stand related question for those in the know:

Is it possible to raise the plasma on the stand to the tune of about 6 inches higher than normal? I'd love to be able to place my center channel in front of the TV by doing this...

Thanks!

-Ben

D-Nice, can you offer your take on the PQ & sound when compare between 59avi & Oppo dvd players?

BTW, your setting works well & got rid of the "greeny' image. Pic looks no natural on all resolutions ;-)

Cheers,
TP

I personally do not like the Oppo as I've found it to produce excessive judder. There is no comparison between the Pioneer 59avi and Oppo 971 as far sound is concerned......the 59avi destroys it.

Hi all, after spending weeks looking through all 111 threads, I have finally purchased a 4360 and expect it to arrive next Saturday. I think I have all the break-in settings (I have wondered why the factories don't just break-in the sets, within their own controlled environments before shipping). Anyway, I have to thank Mr D. Nice, Malicious, Lhamp amungst others for all the valuable info.

I do have one question (so far) regarding what dvd player to buy. D Nice, you recommend the Panasonic S77s but as I am finding it difficult to source, is the S97s not better still? Or am I missing something?

Thanks in advance

Brian :)

The S77 replaced the S97 but they are basically the same DVD player.

I recently bought a 1130. It was installed 30 days ago. It has slight burn-in from CNBC, with logo and top of the screen indices bars. I am upset, to say the least, and become sicker as I read this thread. BTW I joined AVS Forum today to see if I could find any solution. I am a noobie to plasma and bought the 1130 from Best Buy....who assured me that burn-in was a thing of the past. They did not tell me that there were ways to avoid it by changing settings for first 100days. The installers similarly didnt advise me of any concern re burn-in nor did they reduce the settings or tell me to. I can find nothing in the manual of the 1130 warning of the burn-in or advising to reduce settings for a period. Best Buy were less than helpful when I went to see them yesterday. Told me that maintenance agreement didn't cover burn in and that they would talk to Pioneer rep. Anybody got any advice either on my options with BB or Pioneer or a way to rid myself of the burn-in. Thanks

I recently bought a 1130. It was installed 30 days ago. It has slight burn-in from CNBC, with logo and top of the screen indices bars. I am upset, to say the least, and become sicker as I read this thread. BTW I joined AVS Forum today to see if I could find any solution. I am a noobie to plasma and bought the 1130 from Best Buy....who assured me that burn-in was a thing of the past. They did not tell me that there were ways to avoid it by changing settings for first 100days. The installers similarly didnt advise me of any concern re burn-in nor did they reduce the settings or tell me to. I can find nothing in the manual of the 1130 warning of the burn-in or advising to reduce settings for a period. Best Buy were less than helpful when I went to see them yesterday. Told me that maintenance agreement didn't cover burn in and that they would talk to Pioneer rep. Anybody got any advice either on my options with BB or Pioneer or a way to rid myself of the burn-in. Thanks

I highly doubt that it is burn-in....more like image retention.

1. Use the break in settings I posted a few pages back.
2. Download and burn this:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/EA-BreakinDVD.zip

Run it for about 24-36 hours straight. That should take care of your image retention.

like D-Nice pointed out, this is likely image retention and hopefully not permanent. i have a 5060 and have noticed that i get image retention with PC input and excessive non-native aspect ratio tv viewing unstretched. go for the burn in disc and check up a few times a day. if that succeeds, then you know to be careful with constant static images in the early life, turn down contrast, enable power saving modes is another step to take... let us know how it turns out

my panel has about 100 hrs on it

Thanks Viventis. It does NOT tilt though, correct?

It does tilt. Unfortunately, it only tilts 2 degrees forward or backward, and you need a "C" wrench (enclosed) to loosen a bolt to do so.

Is there a way for someone without nero to purchase or download some other burn-in program? I am being careful with settings and viewing material, but it would be nice to have something to speed up the process. Do any of the calibration programs that are for sale contain burn in programs? CD/DVD creation software such as Nero is notorious for destabilizing computers and I would not take the chance of adding another one to the mix even if it were free.

I highly doubt that it is burn-in....more like image retention.

1. Use the break in settings I posted a few pages back.
2. Download and burn this:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/EA-BreakinDVD.zip

Run it for about 24-36 hours straight. That should take care of your image retention.


D....any preference between this breakin DVD and this one :
http://www.dvdshrink.info/goodies.php

the latter is what I've been using (switched between 5-7 colors every 2-3 secs)..... :confused:

D....any preference between this breakin DVD and this one :
http://www.dvdshrink.info/goodies.php

the latter is what I've been using (switched between 5-7 colors every 2-3 secs)..... :confused:


Nope, doesn't matter. Pick one.

Nope, doesn't matter. Pick one.


cool....saves me a blank DVD :D :p

ps- they are bringing the replacement Set on saturday....hopefully no dead pixels this time

I am a noobie to plasma and bought the 1130 from Best Buy....who assured me that burn-in was a thing of the past. They did not tell me that there were ways to avoid it by changing settings for first 100days. The installers similarly didnt advise me of any concern re burn-in nor did they reduce the settings or tell me to.

As someone noted, are you sure it's burn-in, likely image retention. I've just been watching TV and DVD Movies as I normally do. It seems, for me, I'm not too concerned with station logos and black bars since there are various commercials so the bars and logos are not constantly there for hours.

I have used the settings offered by D-Nice (Thanks BTW), but I also switch to different "AV" when watching movies.

BTW, I didn't know that Best Buy has Elite (did you mean Magnolia within a Best Buy)?

I am looking at getting the pio 4360, whats the difference between the 4360 and 61, also someone told me that the 4360 and 1130 elite were the same picture with extra ''bells and whisles'' is the PQ that close to the 4360 and 1130 elite. I seen some pictures posted of the 1130 elite and it looks killer!!!, I really want to get the 4360 I recently changed my mind about the panny th42px60u and moved over to the pio. I went bestbuy in chino hills, CA and you wound not believe how bad they let the displays look. all the displays were blury and so bright that it would drive anyone right out the door looking to spend $2500 on a Plasma TV. I am really interested in getting the 4360 and wondering if the price diff from panny to pio is worth it, I am starting to think it is, I just dont want to be disapointed with the PQ

I am looking at getting the pio 4360, whats the difference between the 4360 and 61, also someone told me that the 4360 and 1130 elite were the same picture with extra ''bells and whisles'' is the PQ that close to the 4360 and 1130 elite. I seen some pictures posted of the 1130 elite and it looks killer!!!, I really want to get the 4360 I recently changed my mind about the panny th42px60u and moved over to the pio. I went bestbuy in chino hills, CA and you wound not believe how bad they let the displays look. all the displays were blury and so bright that it would drive anyone right out the door looking to spend $2500 on a Plasma TV. I am really interested in getting the 4360 and wondering if the price diff from panny to pio is worth it, I am starting to think it is, I just dont want to be disapointed with the PQ

I am going to purchase the 4360. Among other reasons, because of the all black look of the Pioneer versus the Panny's mostly silver. I don't care for the look of silver, but that is my personal choice of course, and to each there own.

If you've read most of this thread, as I have tried to do, you will find that the Panny's do a very good job with their black levels. Their weakness might be that they don't handle motion as well as the Pioneers do, and perhaps the Pioneers might not be quit as good with their black levels, but you would have to look very hard to tell that they don't, if indeed that is the case.

Both the Panny's and Pio's are very good Plasma TV's. In my case, it just came down to "which one do I want to look at in my house" but that decision you will have to make for yourself. The Panny 42PX60U is cheaper for sure, but just make sure that you like the look of that particular TV hanging or sitting in your house.

I wonder if there is a difference between widescreen 2:35.1 and letterboxed 2:35.1 which doesnt allow the top and bottom bars to be removed completely using zoom function.

Sounds like it may not be anamorphic or "enhanced for 16x9 TVs". Most widescreen DVDs nowadays are. The bars are not recorded on the disc - your TV or DVD player put them in. However, for non anamorphic DVDs, the bars are recorded on the disc, and unfortunately this takes pixels away from the picture, which is why you saw poor resolution when you zoomed in.

I personally do not like the Oppo as I've found it to produce excessive judder. There is no comparison between the Pioneer 59avi and Oppo 971 as far sound is concerned......the 59avi destroys it.

Any movie title you found judder or other bugs on Oppo but not on the 59avi? I most likely go w/ 59avi for the long term.

Thanks for your help.
TP

Thanks do you know about how the 4360 compares to the elite in PQ

Any movie title you found judder or other bugs on Oppo but not on the 59avi? I most likely go w/ 59avi for the long term.

Thanks for your help.
TP

I don't own a Pioneer 59avi but I've seen excessive judder on my Oppo at the beginning of chapter 3 of Star Wars Ep III and the opening Paramount credits on Sky Capitan.

Thanks do you know about how the 4360 compares to the elite in PQ

Well, I just saw the Elite 930 yesturday, but the store I saw it at did not have a 4360 in stock, so I couldn't caompare the two side-by-side, but others on this forum might have much better information on both series. I did hear the salesman say that on the Elite models, you can adjust each color (red, blue and green) individually, but i think that is possible in the service menu as well!? There are other slight differences I believe also, but as to say that it is a LOT better picture quality, I can't say for sure.

I am just wondering if there are any differences between the Pio 4312 and the 4360 besides the media box and built-in tuner?

I am just wondering if there are any differences between the Pio 4312 and the 4360 besides the media box and built-in tuner?

Read for yourself..The 4312:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/plasma/detail/page/0,,2076_287252631_290101948,00.html

The 4360: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/plasma/detail/page/0,,2076_287252631_277312046,00.html

Thanks for the link Hornet, it seems Pioneer has a lot of info on the 4360 but not the 4312. Obviously the media box is great and the built in tuner is extra, but I guess those links you sent don't really answer the question. Are you paying the few hundred extra $$ for the tuner and media box or is there a significant difference in quality?

Thanks for the link Hornet, it seems Pioneer has a lot of info on the 4360 but not the 4312. Obviously the media box is great and the built in tuner is extra, but I guess those links you sent don't really answer the question. Are you paying the few hundred extra $$ for the tuner and media box or is there a significant difference in quality?

I have not seen the 4312 in person, so again, I can't say tyhat there is, but I would think if you campared the two side-by-side I'm sure there would be some.

You don't get PIP with the 4312 and a bunch of other feaures, like TV Guide and the Media Receiver (MR) is a big feature on these Pioneers as well.

Here is a compare link: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/plasma/comparison/results/page/0,,2076_4123,00.html

I appreciate your help!

The 4312 is a chopped down version of the 4350, a 5th Generation panel. The improved black levels of the 6th generation (currrent) therefore wouldnt apply to the 4312.

I highly doubt that it is burn-in....more like image retention.

1. Use the break in settings I posted a few pages back.
2. Download and burn this:
EA-BreakinDVD.zip

Run it for about 24-36 hours straight. That should take care of your image retention.

D-Nice, thanks for the clarification on the breakin settings. Question - do you guys advise running this program which "exercises" the pixels for all new plasmas, not just ones with image retention? I am about to turn mine on for the first time, and just wanted to check if I need to run this program or just use the breakin settings?

Thanks everyone, this is a great resource

D-Nice-
I have the same problem as others, about the image retention. I recently bought my PDP-5060 at BB...however it was an open box item. The salesperson connected the screen to another media box, and he let me see the unit turned on. When we were looking at the screen he did noticed the "burn in/ image retention" with black lines on each side (4:3), and he told me not to worry about it and stated that I should leave it on a blank screen for about an hour. I got home and was reading through these threads and I downloaded the "Burn-In" SVCD. I ran that for about 24 hours now, and I still notice the letters, "CNN title" and the 4:3 lines on the side of the screen. I only notice it when white to gray backgrounds are present.

When I ran the SVCD my settings stayed at, and still is set to:
AV: User
Contrast: 21
Brightness: -2
Color: -3

PureCinema: ADV
Color Temp: Low
CTI: OFF

DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

Save2

Should I be using a higher setting? and should I be running this SVCD longer?

Thanks For the help!

If it was a floor model I would say It was probably abused or returned due to very high image retention. If the break in DVD does not fix it in the next 24hrs, I would try and return it. The money you saved on the open box purchase probably isn't worth the damage.

The displays mentioned with burn in seem like newer displays, is the chances after the first 200hrs of burn in that much less?

If it was a floor model I would say It was probably abused or returned due to very high image retention. If the break in DVD does not fix it in the next 24hrs, I would try and return it. The money you saved on the open box purchase probably isn't worth the damage.

The displays mentioned with burn in seem like newer displays, is the chances after the first 200hrs of burn in that much less?

I feel the same way.

no, wasn't a floor model. I still have it running right now, and it's been 24 hours on the dot. I do notice a difference. Should I go longer?

I feel the same way.

WOW. Just set up the 5060 and am watching tv for the first time. have it hooked up to digital cable via hdmi. Picture is great and meets my high expectations.

However, i am being very sensitive to the burn-in/image retention issue, and am noticing that almost every station now has an insignia on the corner of the screen. how should I deal with this b/c I don't want to harm the screen? Any advice from anyone?

WOW. Just set up the 5060 and am watching tv for the first time. have it hooked up to digital cable via hdmi. Picture is great and meets my high expectations.

However, i am being very sensitive to the burn-in/image retention issue, and am noticing that almost every station now has an insignia on the corner of the screen. how should I deal with this b/c I don't want to harm the screen? Any advice from anyone?

What are your current settings? Did you set the power save mode to save2?

WOW. Just set up the 5060 and am watching tv for the first time. have it hooked up to digital cable via hdmi. Picture is great and meets my high expectations.

However, i am being very sensitive to the burn-in/image retention issue, and am noticing that almost every station now has an insignia on the corner of the screen. how should I deal with this b/c I don't want to harm the screen? Any advice from anyone?


i asked the same questions about 40 pages ago - when i had a new 4360. in general the responses were along the lines of "don't worry about it too much, just vary your viewing." i've been careful not too watch too much 4:3 at one time (i tend to stretch everything unless it's painful to watch) and have kept the time with individual logos to a min. my .02.

I don't own a Pioneer 59avi but I've seen excessive judder on my Oppo at the beginning of chapter 3 of Star Wars Ep III and the opening Paramount credits on Sky Capitan.

Unfortunately, I don't have those in my dvd collection ;-). I've been watching Matrix I, 5th Element (SuperBit), 6th Sense & Flightplan and the pic came out very good using your break-in setting under Pure mode. I can understand CD would sound better on the Elite dvd player, but DD5.1/DTS would sound the same since the AV Receiver does all the work. Is that a safe assumption?

Thanks again,
TP

What are your current settings? Did you set the power save mode to save2?

Yeah, I used all the settings exactly as you had presented them. The picture looks great. What do you think about the channel logos? Is it ok to watch an entire 1/2 hour show with one of them... watching sienfield right now, and that annoying FOX2 logo is in the bottom right hand corner as I speak.

What are your current settings? Did you set the power save mode to save2?

Out of curiosity, what does power save mode 2 do to prevent burn-in?

Out of curiosity, what does power save mode 2 do to prevent burn-in?

reduces brightness and or contrast

Does the PDP-4360's stand swivel?

Unfortunately, I don't have those in my dvd collection ;-). I've been watching Matrix I, 5th Element (SuperBit), 6th Sense & Flightplan and the pic came out very good using your break-in setting under Pure mode. I can understand CD would sound better on the Elite dvd player, but DD5.1/DTS would sound the same since the AV Receiver does all the work. Is that a safe assumption?

Thanks again,
TP

Yep

Does the PDP-4360's stand swivel?


No, only the Elites. However, you can puchase an Elite stand from ebay cheap.

Yeah, I used all the settings exactly as you had presented them. The picture looks great. What do you think about the channel logos? Is it ok to watch an entire 1/2 hour show with one of them... watching sienfield right now, and that annoying FOX2 logo is in the bottom right hand corner as I speak.


Watch TV "somewhat" as you normally would. What I mean is a 30 minute show will not produce burn-in. I may produce image retention but that would fade away a few minutes after you change to another channel.

You don't have to be paranoid about your new toy....just handle it with care.

No, only the Elites. However, you can puchase an Elite stand from ebay cheap.

Thanks D-Nice. I am more than likely going to, after my purchase of the 4360 in a couple of weeks. I believe that one is the PDK-1013. What is the part number to the stand that is standard on the 4360?

Watch TV "somewhat" as you normally would. What I mean is a 30 minute show will not produce burn-in. I may produce image retention but that would fade away a few minutes after you change to another channel.

You don't have to be paranoid about your new toy....just handle it with care.

Thanks D-Nice, jstorerj and Chi-hd, your comments are really helpfull. So, onto the pseudo bad-news... I have spotted one dead pixel (i assume it is dead b/c it is solid black) in the bottom right-hand corner of the screen. I can't see it at a normal viewing distance and my wife thinks I'm crazy to make a big deal about it, but any advice as to if I should try for a new monitor? I realize it may be picky to search for a perfect screen, but part of mind reminds me how much money I just spent on this. Any thoughts? Does one dead pixel indicate potential for future problems?

If it's black and in the lower right corner, you will never see it unless you have a certain color on the screen and have your nose 6" away.

If you plan on doing the 6" thing, take it back and get another, otherwise enjoy your plasma.

I believe that one is the PDK-1013. What is the part number to the stand that is standard on the 4360?

I have no idea. 4360/5060 owners, would you guys like to chime in?

No, only the Elites. However, you can puchase an Elite stand from ebay cheap.
Well I guess you don't get to do this often but I disagree with DNice :)
I bought a 4360 here in Canada (would you believe they don't come with a stand or speakers here!) and I had to buy a seperate stand from BB the model number on the stand is PDK-TS12 and it does swivel and is silver in color so tryyour luck on ebay and you might get lucky.
BTW D-Nice I posted a question when you were away and I asked that my Cable box from Rogers has Firewire on it can I use it to connect to my Plasma? I wanna get see if its better than HDMI and will give me 2 extra HDMI ports to boot as well

What would anyone say is the longest they would play a game on this tv (using the post break in settings) before taking a break to prevent any burn in?

Well I guess you don't get to do this often but I disagree with DNice :)
I bought a 4360 here in Canada (would you believe they don't come with a stand or speakers here!) and I had to buy a seperate stand from BB the model number on the stand is PDK-TS12 and it does swivel and is silver in color so tryyour luck on ebay and you might get lucky.
BTW D-Nice I posted a question when you were away and I asked that my Cable box from Rogers has Firewire on it can I use it to connect to my Plasma? I wanna get see if its better than HDMI and will give me 2 extra HDMI ports to boot as well

If memory serves, the PDK-TS12 was for the 4350 and 5050...so you are right about that......I forgot about those as most want black stands.

No you cannot connect your cable box with firewire for video. Firewire is only for audio on the Pioneers

I highly doubt that it is burn-in....more like image retention.

1. Use the break in settings I posted a few pages back.
2. Download and burn this:


Run it for about 24-36 hours straight. That should take care of your image retention.
Many, many thanks for your advice and to others who have chipped in. I assumed it was not image retention as it appeared a week ago now and has not washed out despite watching many other channels than CNBC. I have changed the settings, downloaded the BreakinDVD software and burnt it to a DVD RW. Now...a silly question but my DVD screen says DVD can't read....Am I missing something here....sorry for such a basic question... :o

What would anyone say is the longest they would play a game on this tv (using the post break in settings) before taking a break to prevent any burn in?

I have played some 360 on my 1130 while in break in. There is a game setting with reduced contrast, sharpness and brightness. The issue with games are the same with regular channels... watch out for static images such as health meters, ect...

I have not played for more than a 1/2 hour at a time and then make sure to watch normal programming after. I have yet to notice any image retention from anything I have played/watched but I do so at lower contrast ratings.

If memory serves, the PDK-TS12 was for the 4350 and 5050...so you are right about that......I forgot about those as most want black stands.

No you cannot connect your cable box with firewire for video. Firewire is only for audio on the Pioneers
so my hd dvr that i have wont work thru firewire with my 4360???

Someone asked this before and I don't knkow if an answer was posted. Can you raise the height of the TV on the stand on either the 5060 or 1130HD? Anybody measure the distance from the stand raised to the bottom of the screen? I have a large center channel (Paradigm cc-470) which stands about 9" high. Wondering about the stand issue.

Someone asked this before and I don't knkow if an answer was posted. Can you raise the height of the TV on the stand on either the 5060 or 1130HD? Anybody measure the distance from the stand raised to the bottom of the screen? I have a large center channel (Paradigm cc-470) which stands about 9" high. Wondering about the stand issue.
No, you can't raise the stand on the 5060. It wont clear your center channel

Well another solution I came up was I got the Sanus Turntable (Model #TV32) and put my Plasma on it and now I got a almost 360 degree turning radius though I will never do so I limit it to like 45 degree at the most coz of the cable(there is no other way I can watch the TV in my kitchen otherwise) So you can just go ahead and buy a normal Plasma stand without any swivel for your 4360. And just put the whole thing on a the turntable (now I know some people might say it will not be safe But it works for me) I am attaching some pics for yoru viewing pleasure.

Thanks for the headsup on the Firewire D-Nice your input is highly revered as always.

so my hd dvr that i have wont work thru firewire with my 4360???
i believe that if your dvr is hdcp compliant it will work.

of course, i have no personal experience with a functional dvr. i tried to use my mac's virtual d-vhs, but the pioneer refused, stating that 'this device can't be controlled'

Many, many thanks for your advice and to others who have chipped in. I assumed it was not image retention as it appeared a week ago now and has not washed out despite watching many other channels than CNBC. I have changed the settings, downloaded the BreakinDVD software and burnt it to a DVD RW. Now...a silly question but my DVD screen says DVD can't read....Am I missing something here....sorry for such a basic question... :o

Does your DVD player usually accept DVD RW's from the same brand? The Break In program on the first post of the "Break In" thread burns to a CDR as an SVCD. If that is the one you were using, that could be the problem.

is it worth getting the warrenty at BB?

I've found a stand on Ebay Model no PDK-TS05. Will it fit my new 4360?

Thanks for your help

I went with this set up with my 1130... I wanted to wall hang it but that would of moved the display another 2.5 ft from me, I wanted to be around 8 ft. This entertainment center does a good job of concealing the center channel and the rest of your componets. 360 fits nicely standing up on either side

man that's so nice

I went with this set up with my 1130... I wanted to wall hang it but that would of moved the display another 2.5 ft from me, I wanted to be around 8 ft. This entertainment center does a good job of concealing the center channel and the rest of your componets. 360 fits nicely standing up on either side

Beautiful! Who makes the console?

so my hd dvr that i have wont work thru firewire with my 4360???


Let me clarify what I said. The firewire port on the Pioneer is used to output data. You cannot input data thru that port. So if you have a DVHS deck, you can record infirmation that comes from a cable card or OTA antenna.

Beautiful! Who makes the console?

I believe it's Allegro... You can not buy it on line, Tweeter and Barretts both carry it. There is a back piece that you can mount the display to for an additional $1,200

Below is a link to their site but again you can only view the furniture

http://www.jsp-industries.com/Pages/introhomethea.html

so my hd dvr that i have wont work thru firewire with my 4360???

Download and read the manual for the 4360... it says that the firewire ports are only for use with a d-vhs deck, and only certain models at that.

That doesnt mean that its impossible to get them to work with a pc... (there are a few threads in other sections here about getting a pc to emulate a d-vhs deck) but as far as connecting a cable box directly via firewire I think you will be out of luck.

I would not expect it to work.

Are there any d-vhs recorders that actually work with the Pioneer i.link? If so, would someone please post the model number. By "work", I mean perfect digital HD recordings.

I am thinking about purchaseing the 4360 model through TV Authority. TV Authority IS an authorized Pioneer dealer, correct?

I am thinking about purchaseing the 4360 model through TV Authority. TV Authority IS an authorized Pioneer dealer, correct?

You can find the full list of Pioneer's authouized internet dealers at:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/two/0,,2076_83644739_277297187,00.html

You will find TVA on the list.

You can find the full list of Pioneer's authouized internet dealers at:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/two/0,,2076_83644739_277297187,00.html

You will find TVA on the list.

Thanks WilliWu..I looked and found them on the list as well.

Does anyone have any good or bad experiences with TVA? I still am not thrilled with purchaseing a TV through the 'net, but this company seems to be reputable, and the price is right...Other companies to consider to purchase a 4360 through? I know all the forums sponsors are good here, but I am willing to listen.

You can find the full list of Pioneer's authouized internet dealers at:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/article/two/0,,2076_83644739_277297187,00.html

You will find TVA on the list.
And Just to add to this TV authority is giving free 2 year Extended Warranty or Wall Mount on 4360 and 5060 for teh Forum members and if you mention the HT Guys you get a free DVD to boot as well :)

I've found a stand on Ebay Model no PDK-TS05. Will it fit my new 4360?

Thanks for your help
yes

Has anyone tried using an aftermarket DVI/HDMI cable instead of the the cable that's included with the set?

I'd like to buy the set, but the supplied DVI style umbilical is too big to go through some conduit I need to run through. My local dealer said the umbilical really is just a RS-232 connection cable and a DVI cable paired together. If so, couldn't one use an HDMI cable (for its smaller connectors) with DVI<->HDMI adaptors on either end?

I've found a stand on Ebay Model no PDK-TS05. Will it fit my new 4360?

Thanks for your help

try a search on ebay for
Pioneer PDK-TS10 Table Top Stand

I am thinking about purchaseing the 4360 model through TV Authority. TV Authority IS an authorized Pioneer dealer, correct?

there was a recent thread that scared me away from TVA after I had placed an order, and I bought locally. Take a look. The guy still seems to like TVA, and their price was very good.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=647869&highlight=panasonic+damaged

Thanks WilliWu..I looked and found them on the list as well.

Does anyone have any good or bad experiences with TVA? I still am not thrilled with purchaseing a TV through the 'net, but this company seems to be reputable, and the price is right...Other companies to consider to purchase a 4360 through? I know all the forums sponsors are good here, but I am willing to listen.


I bought my 4360 from Satellite & Sound which is also an authorized Pioneer dealer and a forum sponsor listed on the right at the bottom of this page. I documented the progress as things progressed in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=650692
Needless to say, I would use them again.

Let me clarify what I said. The firewire port on the Pioneer is used to output data. You cannot input data thru that port. So if you have a DVHS deck, you can record infirmation that comes from a cable card or OTA antenna.
according to my manual (5060) on page 72:
Displaying a D-VHS image
To watch a D-VHS image, press i.LINK on the remote control unit or press INPUT on the Media Receiver to select i.LINK
but it didn't work for my "virtual" D-VHS on my mac. i assumed that it was simply because the mac wasn't HDCP compliant, but are you saying that it doesn't work at all?

Thats again, everyone, for all the great advice on setting up my new 1130. I just added a Panamax power conditioner to the system today, so things are sounding a looking great!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/IMG_0695.jpg

Enjoy!

-Ben

drsiebling,
Nice set up. Just curious but what is that under your 1130? Aren't you a little nervous about your investment?

Mightyburner

That item under the Plasma is a leather-bound 50 pound city plat map. Believe it or not, the plasma is actually very stable on top of it. I had to do something to get the plasma up higher so that I could place the center channel speaker in front of it. It's a temporary solution until I can find something more permanent.

-B

anybody have the model number for the 930 elite table top stand and will it fit the 4360??i dont like the stand on the 4360 and wanna put the 930 stand on it instead ...and where i can locate it if possible

well i have another oddball question.

i just got home from watching V for Vendetta (great movie btw) and turned on the 4360. i had it on for maybe 10 minutes and the panel shut off. the Blue LED was still on so I know it didn't lose power. I also saw the Blue LED on the MR still on. after 2 or 3 seconds i saw "please wait while system starts up" or something resembling that. after that, it was ok but i turned it off after 30 min. something i need to be worried about? i think i read someone had a similar problem but don't remember any solution or resolution. thanks.

well i have another oddball question.

i just got home from watching V for Vendetta (great movie btw) and turned on the 4360. i had it on for maybe 10 minutes and the panel shut off. the Blue LED was still on so I know it didn't lose power. I also saw the Blue LED on the MR still on. after 2 or 3 seconds i saw "please wait while system starts up" or something resembling that. after that, it was ok but i turned it off after 30 min. something i need to be worried about? i think i read someone had a similar problem but don't remember any solution or resolution. thanks.

are you connected to a D*H-20 via HDMI???

well i have another oddball question.

i just got home from watching V for Vendetta (great movie btw) and turned on the 4360. i had it on for maybe 10 minutes and the panel shut off. the Blue LED was still on so I know it didn't lose power. I also saw the Blue LED on the MR still on. after 2 or 3 seconds i saw "please wait while system starts up" or something resembling that. after that, it was ok but i turned it off after 30 min. something i need to be worried about? i think i read someone had a similar problem but don't remember any solution or resolution. thanks.
I had the "please wait while system starts up" screen. I rebooted the MR and it took an hour or so for it to return to normal operation, but no problems since.

G-Mack Tech:

Yes I am connected to a H20 via HDMI.

jacksonian:

How did you reboot the Media Receiver? When it went out, it came back up within a few seconds. I read about 10 pages back that the MR has embedded Linux. that's a quick reboot. maybe it was a power thing?

I wasn't home, so I had my wife unplug it for a few seconds. She said it still took about an hour for it to start working again. I don't have any idea what was happening.

I bought my 4360 from Satellite & Sound which is also an authorized Pioneer dealer and a forum sponsor listed on the right at the bottom of this page. I documented the progress as things progressed in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=650692
Needless to say, I would use them again.


Also bought mine ( a 5060HD) from Doug and Ryan at Sat and SOund. WOuld highly recommend them. They went the extra mile for me.

quick question... I have the 5060, and FOR NOW (looking at replacing ASAP) a Samsung 841 DVD player. Would it make sense to turn off Progressive scan on the DVD player and let the TV handle the signal naturally? I read that somewhere on this site and cannot seem to re-find it again.

Hello all,
Am a qualified and bonified newb, have recently purchased an 1130 after reading a lot of good things about it from this OUTSTANDING forum. Am using some of D-nice's settings for break-in. However, please pardon the basic (or lack of ) understanding of the process that will be so glaring from this question:

I subscribe to digital cable (no HD yet) and when the stb is tuned to say hbo,and while the pq is really good, on any scene where the subject is moving, the TV looks like it can't stay in focus. Picture sharpens,gets blurry, sharpens, gets blurry, sometimes many times a minute as the TV tries to keep up with the action. Is this the "flicker" described previously? I've only watched one DVD since I got this set ( The Perfect Storm ), and didn't really even notice this phenomena. How-ever the DVD player is connected using "component" connection. Is that the problem? Also, DVD player outputs 480i.
The stb is an appr. 7-10 year old unit, connected to the MR using "composite" connectors. Tv is set to Pure Cinema standard. I'm hoping that this is not a defective display, as shipping this unit back to Seattle on the barge lines to try to get a replacement would be a pain.

Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to contribute to this forum, which led me to owning a TV that delivers overall the most satisfying pq of any tv I've ever owned. I really didn't need those $ for a down payment on a house anyway

Buzz... this sounds more like a problem with both your use of composite cables and an older cable box that isn't quite up to snuff. My guess would be that if the TV doesn't flicker during a DVD, it is most likely the source that is causing the problem. A good test would be to try to duplicate the problem using a DVD... if you can't, call Dish Network and get one of their new HD boxes.

anybody have the model number for the 930 elite table top stand and will it fit the 4360??i dont like the stand on the 4360 and wanna put the 930 stand on it instead ...and where i can locate it if possible

The model number for the latest Elite stand that fits the 4360 is PDK-1013. It's the black swivel stand that comes on both the 930 Elite and the 1130 Elite . I just finished installing one that came with an 1130 on my 4360 and am very happy with it. I had a bit of a scare when I saw how different the mounting method is, but the 4360 has unused slots that accommodate the Elite stand. Note that the 43 and 50 inch Pioneers use the same stand.
Best bet for finding one is to check eBay for "PDK-1013". They come up frequently and can usually be had for less than $100.

I just saw the info on the new Pioneer 1080P unit coming in June.... from the pics it looks like it used the thicker bezel as found on the pdp-5050 and not the sleeker/thinner version found on the new elites and the 5060. Wonder if there is a reason for that? Would love to own the new unit with the sleeker bezel.

Am I wrong?

Curtis

Thanks WilliWu..I looked and found them on the list as well.

Does anyone have any good or bad experiences with TVA? I still am not thrilled with purchaseing a TV through the 'net, but this company seems to be reputable, and the price is right...Other companies to consider to purchase a 4360 through? I know all the forums sponsors are good here, but I am willing to listen.

I purchased my 5060 through TV Authority and could not be more pleased with their service. They are an authorized Pioneer dealer. Their 5 Star program applies to Pioneer purchases and if you tell them you are an AVS forum member you will get a "pixel perfect" (no dead pixels) guarantee.

So, I'm onto my third day watching my new 5060. Question for anyone though, is there anyway to check the number of hours I've watched on the set? I want to monitor my breakin time.

I purchased my 5060 through TV Authority and could not be more pleased with their service. They are an authorized Pioneer dealer. Their 5 Star program applies to Pioneer purchases and if you tell them you are an AVS forum member you will get a "pixel perfect" (no dead pixels) guarantee.

Oh? The fella I talked to said nothing about such a guarantee, and I know I mentioned that I found there place from here, but I will mention that the next time I call into them. Who in particular did you talk too? What specifically does that guarantee mean? For a certain amount of time?

So, I'm onto my third day watching my new 5060. Question for anyone though, is there anyway to check the number of hours I've watched on the set? I want to monitor my breakin time.


The only way to do it is to get into the service menu. Then you will be able to see the number of hours on the media box as well as the number of hours on the actual screen.

Curtis

Oh? The fella I talked to said nothing about such a guarantee, and I know I mentioned that I found there place from here, but I will mention that the next time I call into them. Who in particular did you talk too? What specifically does that guarantee mean? For a certain amount of time?

Try Cambryn Courson a/k/a "Cammie." ( 888.286.5353, ext. 520) You need to ask about the pixel perfect policy for AVS.. "I heard that AVS Forum members get a "perfect pixel" guarantee. Tell me more about it please."

They actually have it on a page they can send you. If I recall, you have a one time only oportunity to exchange the set if you have any dead pixels. I am sorry but I don't remember about how the shipping works. Luckily, I didn't need it. This was on my invoice:

"Congratulations! As a registered AVS Forum member, your purchase is protected by our exclusive Perfect Pixel Guarantee for flat panel displays. Please review the website for terms and conditions."

EDIT: Oddly, my search of the site came up empty. I wonder if the program is still in place.

drseibling and lhamp,
Thanks for the responses.
Am confined to cable tv as per landlord and will swap out stb with another that will be identical (but maybe work better...?). Will also go to Radio Shack for new composite cables.

But would the composite A/V wires themselves really be the problem, the TV seems not to have any objectionable difficulties staying focused when watching a DVD ( albeit thru component cables at 480i )or viewing some of the primitive analog renditions of sitcoms and the like, but it cannot seem to stay focused on moving objects or people when viewing programming on movie networks like Hbo or American Movie Classics. Could the settings on the TV possibly cause a problem? The Screen Size is set either to Full or Cinema and the A/V Selection is set to Standard. Could there be a bug in the video processing in the MR or the panel ?

Cable co did install new Quad-6 cable and told me that my signal was now 'linear..?' and strong.

I wish there was some-one who could explain ( in laymans terms ) the mechanics of the phenomena, which is the only significantly negative aspect of having this TV so far... I'm still holding out hope that the issue stems from operator error.

Also does anyone know of a web-link to access that could define and desribe mosquito noise, judder, dithering and flickering ?

Any thoughts and supreme wisdom?

Try Cambryn Courson a/k/a "Cammie." ( 888.286.5353, ext. 520) You need to ask about the pixel perfect policy for AVS.. "I heard that AVS Forum members get a "perfect pixel" guarantee. Tell me more about it please."

They actually have it on a page they can send you. If I recall, you have a one time only oportunity to exchange the set if you have any dead pixels. I am sorry but I don't remember about how the shipping works. Luckily, I didn't need it. This was on my invoice:

"Congratulations! As a registered AVS Forum member, your purchase is protected by our exclusive Perfect Pixel Guarantee for flat panel displays. Please review the website for terms and conditions."

EDIT: Oddly, my search of the site came up empty. I wonder if the program is still in place.

Thanks Viventis for the name of the person, and the pixel guarantee info. When did yo purchase you set from them?

I've searched through the thread and am pretty sure that the answer is "no", but has anyone discovered a way to delete unwanted OTA channels out of the MR memory? I'm not talking about hiding them in the TV Guide, but removing them so that they don't appear when I hit "CH Up/Down". Any chance that this is possible via the service menu?

Although I knew before I bought the TV that it was a design flaw, I still find it ridiculous that a state of the art $5000+ TV can't do something my 13 year old $190 13" Philips TV can.

Thanks Viventis for the name of the person, and the pixel guarantee info. When did yo purchase you set from them?

I did my "pre-order" on February first. When you pre-order, you give TVA everything but your credit card number. The benefit is that you lock in the price. When they are in a position to ship, they will confirm your desire to purchase, take your payment information and get your new toy on its way. If you back out, they go to the next person on their list.

I have a question about the 5060. So far, it's been a fantastic picture...so no issues there. However, every once in a while, I get a thin black vertical line grid that flashes on the bottom half of the screen. It seems to happen when there is a fast moving dark object against a light background. I've seen it on two inputs (HDMI and component). It doesn't happen very often at all but I'm curious if this is the start of a problem.

As opposed to other HDTVs, how much of the video processing is done on the media receiver versus the unit itself? Obviously, if there ever was an issue, it'd seem to be a great benefit to only have to deal with the receiver.

KirkP, do you have sat or cable? Your problem sounds like Macroblocking.

All of the processing is done in the MR.

I have cable...but have had the issue crop up on the Xbox 360 as well. On the 360, it tends to happen in the same couple of spots, so it's almost as if it has trouble processing these scenes/views as opposed to being a random problem. Does macro blocking involve very thin black lines? It's like a wire fence. So far, its very infrequent (*fingers crossed*) and I don't mind if it keeps to the same level...but I'd obviously hate for this to be an emerging issue.

I know this question is overly broad...but when a plasma starts having issues (in general), is it the components in the receiver or the components in the monitor that are more susceptible? (i.e., there is a great benefit to having the electronics split as opposed to all other HDTVs that are integrated).

drseibling and lhamp,
Thanks for the responses.
Am confined to cable tv as per landlord and will swap out stb with another that will be identical (but maybe work better...?). Will also go to Radio Shack for new composite cables.

But would the composite A/V wires themselves really be the problem, the TV seems not to have any objectionable difficulties staying focused when watching a DVD ( albeit thru component cables at 480i )or viewing some of the primitive analog renditions of sitcoms and the like, but it cannot seem to stay focused on moving objects or people when viewing programming on movie networks like Hbo or American Movie Classics. Could the settings on the TV possibly cause a problem? The Screen Size is set either to Full or Cinema and the A/V Selection is set to Standard. Could there be a bug in the video processing in the MR or the panel ?

Cable co did install new Quad-6 cable and told me that my signal was now 'linear..?' and strong.

I wish there was some-one who could explain ( in laymans terms ) the mechanics of the phenomena, which is the only significantly negative aspect of having this TV so far... I'm still holding out hope that the issue stems from operator error.

Also does anyone know of a web-link to access that could define and desribe mosquito noise, judder, dithering and flickering ?

Any thoughts and supreme wisdom?

Buzz... I deleted my previous post after rereading your's because I thought I was not understanding you correctly.... but.... what apect ratio mode are you using... by the way you describe the phenomena it sounds like you might be in "wide" mode rather than "full" (or 4:3, or cinema or zoom, depending on what you like)... "wide" can often give you a sort of Fun house mirror effect that sounds a little like what you describe.

Hope this helps.

lhamp,

Tv screen size is set on Full or Cinema all the time as display has less than 40 hours since new and I've read that stretching the picture to cover the entire screen is likely to help reduce image retention. More than likely the programming that I'm viewing is 4:3 (?) and I'm just stretching it. After reading your reply though, switched the Screen Size to 4:3 just to see if that might make a difference but even then the moving image on Showtime simply could not stay in focus.

I have cable...but have had the issue crop up on the Xbox 360 as well. On the 360, it tends to happen in the same couple of spots, so it's almost as if it has trouble processing these scenes/views as opposed to being a random problem. Does macro blocking involve very thin black lines? It's like a wire fence. So far, its very infrequent (*fingers crossed*) and I don't mind if it keeps to the same level...but I'd obviously hate for this to be an emerging issue.

I know this question is overly broad...but when a plasma starts having issues (in general), is it the components in the receiver or the components in the monitor that are more susceptible? (i.e., there is a great benefit to having the electronics split as opposed to all other HDTVs that are integrated).


I never seen this happen on my plasma. if you have seen it one more than one source, you may want to think about having it replaced.

Watching CBS's HD broadcast of the Regional semi-finals and finals, it looked like I was seeing quite a bit of clay face effects on the players and coaches. My 5060 is set up with standard D-Nice settings. I know that these broadcasts are not of the best quality (I would also get some pixelization). Any specific settings to reduce this effect when I see it?

Watching CBS's HD broadcast of the Regional semi-finals and finals, it looked like I was seeing quite a bit of clay face effects on the players and coaches. My 5060 is set up with standard D-Nice settings. I know that these broadcasts are not of the best quality (I would also get some pixelization). Any specific settings to reduce this effect when I see it?


Call your local CBS station and tell them to stop compressing the signal.

I thank anyone and everyone for their advice on this thread. It is very helpful.

Just got the 5060 running a few weeks ago with HD cable box (explorer 8300?) Everything has looked wonderful and amazing coming from standard TV until now.

Problem is: lower half of the diplay shows horizontal lines which seem to be a partial repeat of the upper half of the screen- very annoying and ruins the enjoyment.

Problem occurs: 1. ice hockey, speed skating (winter olympics) 2. panoramic beach scenes with sand and moving waves.

I've tried altering settings, but can't resove the problem.

display is connected via high quality component cable.

Any insights?


Well, for what it's worth, it seems my new issue is exactly as described above. On some bright white scenes, the television seems to re-draw the top half of the screen on the bottom half in spaced horizontal lines. A Pioneer engineer is supposed to contact me on Tuesday. My hope is that the issue lies with a defective media receiver box. Easier to resolve and very happy that this monitor has no pixel issues.

Hi all - newbie here.

anyways, as the title states i have a 50" Pioneer Elite. My quesiton is this... after a month and a half of viewing i have discivered burn-in/image retention of our local NBC 5 logo in the right corner of my screen. (chicago station) And recently found the weather box along with the word TODAY from channel 5 as well in the lower left corner.

I had the company I purchased the panel from send out a technician to review the problem. He claims there is nothing he can do and left. I have went back to where I purchased the tv and they have given me 2 suggetions; send the panel to Pioneer for repair/replacement or return it for maybe a Panasonic model.

I really do not wish to return the TV as the image retention is only noticable on white backgrounds, however is there anything I can do to possible solve the problem? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks everyone

Hi all - newbie here.

anyways, as the title states i have a 50" Pioneer Elite. My quesiton is this... after a month and a half of viewing i have discivered burn-in/image retention of our local NBC 5 logo in the right corner of my screen. (chicago station) And recently found the weather box along with the word TODAY from channel 5 as well in the lower left corner.

I had the company I purchased the panel from send out a technician to review the problem. He claims there is nothing he can do and left. I have went back to where I purchased the tv and they have given me 2 suggetions; send the panel to Pioneer for repair/replacement or return it for maybe a Panasonic model.

I really do not wish to return the TV as the image retention is only noticable on white backgrounds, however is there anything I can do to possible solve the problem? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks everyone

What currently are/were your picture settings?
Have you tried to use the break-in DVD to see if will get rid of it?
Did you watch everything in full screen during the first 100-200 hours?

quick question... I have the 5060, and FOR NOW (looking at replacing ASAP) a Samsung 841 DVD player. Would it make sense to turn off Progressive scan on the DVD player and let the TV handle the signal naturally? I read that somewhere on this site and cannot seem to re-find it again.

anyone?

Thanks for the repsonse D-Nice. I read the posts on this forum to try and prevent any burn-in and recall using a number of your suggestions.

What currently are/were your picture settings?

My settings currently and during break-in are as follows:
AV Selection Standard Setting tweeked to
contrast = 15
brightness = -1
color = -2
tint = 0
sharpness = -2
power save = 2

Have you tried to use the break-in DVD to see if will get rid of it?
as for the break-in DVD i have not tried it. Is there a link or website to access?

Did you watch everything in full screen during the first 100-200 hours?
Yes everything we watched was full screen.

Any additonal thoughts? Someone i spoke with mentioned running Shrek for 8-10 hours straight looping repeating the movine to try and remove the burn-in.

Today I ran Magascar DVD for 4 hours and now change? Should I try the DVD you speak about?

Thanks for the repsonse D-Nice. I read the posts on this forum to try and prevent any burn-in and recall using a number of your suggestions.

What currently are/were your picture settings?

My settings currently and during break-in are as follows:
AV Selection Standard Setting tweeked to
contrast = 15
brightness = -1
color = -2
tint = 0
sharpness = -2
power save = 2

Have you tried to use the break-in DVD to see if will get rid of it?
as for the break-in DVD i have not tried it. Is there a link or website to access?

Did you watch everything in full screen during the first 100-200 hours?
Yes everything we watched was full screen.

Any additonal thoughts? Someone i spoke with mentioned running Shrek for 8-10 hours straight looping repeating the movine to try and remove the burn-in.

Today I ran Magascar DVD for 4 hours and now change? Should I try the DVD you speak about?

Download and burn this:
http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloads/EA-BreakinDVD.zip

Run it for about 24-48 hours straight. That should take care of your image retention.

anyone?

Your best bet it to get rid of that player. It is know for it's black crush.

Until you do get rid of it, it really doesn't matter if you use 480i or 480p over component. If you can do 480i over a digital connection, that would be your best bet.

Download and burn this:
BreakinDVD.zip

Run it for about 24-48 hours straight. That should take care of your image retention.

Thanks I will give a shot.

Just curious... after running this is it possible the panel may happen to develop image retention again?

If you are still within the first 100-200 hours...yes

I have not been able to compare them side by side, but at Ken Crane's in Long Beach (where they only carry the Elite models), the salesman told me that the Elite plasmas have better glass, plasma cells, better color rendition and better blacks than the regular (4360) model.

Is there much more to the Elite model other than the extra year of warranty? Do the supposed additional features make it a much better model and worth the extra money?

All marketing hype to justify the extra expense. Unless your are extremely anal you wont see the difference even though it may be measurable. I have seen them in our video test lab. In fact, the costco pioneer model is one of the best bargains around even though most would pass it off as a cheap entry level. Think about this - can you tell the difference between a 1.6MHZ pentium chip an advanced 1.8MHZ model with advanced/deluxe features? No way (although on lab benchmarks it performs 10 nanoseconds faster...). Save your money and buy some awesome home theater equipment to go with it.

Great forum!
I have an 1130HD being shipped in and have heard that a power conditioner can help improve PQ. I've seen conditioners range from 200-1200 bucks. I currently only have a $100 surge protector. Do conditioners really make a difference?

FH

Hi Everyone,

First time poster... just picked up a 5061 from Best Buy yesterday. Have it set to D-nice's break-in settings and it ran flawlessly for half the day yesterday. This morning when I turned it on, when the TWC SA8300 STB is connected to the MR on Input 1 via HDMI, the display in the upper right corner of the screen will not go off when I'm displaying SR channels in 480i.

When I switched over to HD channels in either 720p (ESPN) or 1080i (DiscHD) the display will go away. When the display stays on in 480i , it will flash off briefly when I change the volume on the TV but then come back on immediately. When going into the options menu, the display will go away too.

Again, the strange thing is it worked fine all day yesterday....

I tried searching this thread, but it's becoming very large and I did not find anything.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Nate

Check out this discussion here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=616228).

I personally found that the extra tweakability on the Elite model made it well worth the extra cash.

The only way to do it is to get into the service menu. Then you will be able to see the number of hours on the media box as well as the number of hours on the actual screen.

Curtis

i was able to get into my serverice menu on my 1130 but all i could find was the number of hours on the media receiver. i couldnt find the number of hours for the screen - where do i find that?

Last year when I bought a 5050 and the equivalent Elite model was $1500 - $3000 more, the main thrust of all the posts was that except for the extra years warranty and the extra tweakability, there was no other difference between the models. Most of the posters agreed...go with the 5050. But nobody has ever been able to prove, to my knowlege, that Pio uses better glass or higher production standards for the Elite. Now that the price has been diminished betwen the 2 the main thrust of the posts is...go with the Elite, better glass, electronics and production standards. What changed? Go figure.

I got a 5060 a couple of months ago. Got it online for much less than what I could get the Elite for. I haven't had a problem. No dead pixels. Nothing. Besides the big price difference, another reason I went with the 5060, is that I know that after my intial rush of tweaking, I get bored with it, and will seldom tweak the display again.

To each his own. Good luck to you.

Hi Everyone,

First time poster... just picked up a 5061 from Best Buy yesterday. Have it set to D-nice's break-in settings and it ran flawlessly for half the day yesterday. This morning when I turned it on, when the TWC SA8300 STB is connected to the MR on Input 1 via HDMI, the display in the upper right corner of the screen will not go off when I'm displaying SR channels in 480i.

When I switched over to HD channels in either 720p (ESPN) or 1080i (DiscHD) the display will go away. When the display stays on in 480i , it will flash off briefly when I change the volume on the TV but then come back on immediately. When going into the options menu, the display will go away too.

Again, the strange thing is it worked fine all day yesterday....

I tried searching this thread, but it's becoming very large and I did not find anything.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Nate

Remove the power from both the panel and MR for about 2 minutes. Plug them both back in and turn the plasma on.

I'm all but sold on getting a Pioneer 5060 or maybe 1130. My question is are you better off sending a 480i signal over HDMI into the media receiver and letting the box do the deinterlacing and scaling, or send a 480p signal over HDMI and just letting the box do the scaling?

Is there any difference in scaling or deinterlacing capabilities between the Elite and non-Elite models?

John

PS I'm talking for DVD sources here.

I'm all but sold on getting a Pioneer 5060 or maybe 1130. My question is are you better off sending a 480i signal over HDMI into the media receiver and letting the box do the deinterlacing and scaling, or send a 480p signal over HDMI and just letting the box do the scaling?

Is there any difference in scaling or deinterlacing capabilities between the Elite and non-Elite models?

John

PS I'm talking for DVD sources here.

I'd send 480i via hdmi and let the pioneer do the work... problem is, not that may dvd players do 480i over hdmi. Scaling is the same for both the elite and non elites.

First of all thanks to D-NICE, R Harkness, and eelton for their reviews on these products. I'm hoping you all can help me out here a little bit with narrowing down a few things.

First of all I'm very new to all of this. I was advised the 6th Gen of Pio was one of the best after quite a few improvements. On this thread, I made it to page 21 which took quite a long time to read. I click the last page, and it was at 115. I'm like OMG !!! I'm not even through a fourth of this thread after reading for a very long time. I was glad to see the great reviews that were added and user comments.

My decision had been narrowed down to either Panny or Pio. In my situation, it is going to be easier to hide a couple cables through the wall with a Pio, so I focused my myself more on the Pio based on having the seperate receiver and my home setup. So now I'm a little confused here on which model of Pio to go with. Here are some questions if you have a moment to respond.....

1) Do I go with the 5060, elite 1130 or elite 930 ? Can someone do a quick comparison as to what the main differences are? I had read on this thread mostly relating to adjustments of individual colors, dre, etc. Is there any major differences in the Picture Quality? I'm also not worried about the color stand since it will be wall mounted.

2) I've heard people say it will take 1080i. Why when I look at the specs it says.... Broadcast is 720p (HDTV) • 480p (EDTV) • 480i (SDTV)? Will it still handle 1080 or only 720? Can it receive 1080 and it down scales it to 720? I'm a little confused sorry.

3) Online Purchase - I've read many happy customers that used TVA, and a few others that are sponsored on here. I have one big concern, has anyone had any problems with returning their unit due to dead pixels. My opinion is if I'm going to fork out this kind of money to a company online, which for me is a very big investment, I want the TV to work flawless on this part. I don't want to run into a problem if I need to exchange it due to bad pixels. I've had Laptops before with dead pixels and they are annoying to me.

4) I watch DVD's mostly. There is no doubt I will watch HD channels as well, but mostly I'm a big DVD viewer. From what I have heard from friends that have lower end Plasmas, many have said, they have been watching their DVD collection all over again due to the WOW experience they never enjoyed before on normal sets. I'm sure I will be doing the same thing with my PIO once I get it. My question here is.... What would be the best setup to view my DVDs? Do I get an Up-converter DVD player and use the HDMI cable to my Pio, and then run the Optical sound from the DVD to my Stereo Receiver? I'm aware the Optical is disabled when using HDMI to the receiver of the Pio. Is there a better setup for viewing DVD's to get the best quality and life like experience?

5) Burn in time. D-NICE apparently put some info reference burn in times for these plasmas somewhere between 100-200 hrs. But I cannot find what settings I should have the TV (once I get it) to do the BURN IN procedures. Is there a DVD that can be used to do a BURN-IN, like a looping movie or something like that? The other thing, I would like to know if someone can recommend me a DVD to properly setup the color, brightness and adjustments once the BURN IN procedure has been completed.

Thank you so much again to everyone for helping me in narrow down my choice to Pioneer. Now if I can just decide which model I should really go with. I'm aware you can't post pricing and companies, but I'm looking to spend about $4000, and with the recent drop in prices of the PIO, it is within my money area "Thank Goodness" Are the Elite's close to this price range, or should I just go with the 5060 and be done?

OPINIONS PLEASE ??????

Thank you and best regards,
MIKE

First of all thanks to D-Link, R Harkness, and eelton for their reviews on these products.

Who is D-Link :eek:

Great forum!
I have an 1130HD being shipped in and have heard that a power conditioner can help improve PQ. I've seen conditioners range from 200-1200 bucks. I currently only have a $100 surge protector. Do conditioners really make a difference?

FH

100% Pure CC/BB Bullshit !! Unless you have extremely noisy power and see a lot of sparkles and dropouts, your $100 surge protector is all you need.

It's been corrected, it is now "D-Nice" ...... Sorry man :( that was a brain fart, I was talking to a co-worker about computers earlier and D-LINK stuck in my head. It's fixed....

Any assitance on the questions would be greatly appreciated :) I know you guys have alot more experience than I do in this area, and I'm hoping you can assist.


MIKE

So, I had a strange occurance take place last night on my 1130. About mid-way through the Sopranos, the Panel and the Media Receiver turned themselves off. I flipped them back on and a "Plasma Starting up" screen came up for about 15 seconds and then everything returned to normal.

What the hell? I've had this sucker for about 3 weeks now and I've never seen this happen before. Any ideas?

-Ben

So, I had a strange occurance take place last night on my 1130. About mid-way through the Sopranos, the Panel and the Media Receiver turned themselves off. I flipped them back on and a "Plasma Starting up" screen came up for about 15 seconds and then everything returned to normal.

What the hell? I've had this sucker for about 3 weeks now and I've never seen this happen before. Any ideas?

-Ben

I'm very new here and still learning obviously, but could it have been something like a sleep mode option, that just powered everything down? I'm going based on other TV's I've had in the past.

MIKE

1) Do I go with the 5060, elite 1130 or elite 930 ? Can someone do a quick comparison as to what the main differences are? I had read on this thread mostly relating to adjustments of individual colors, dre, etc. Is there any major differences in the Picture Quality? I'm also not worried about the color stand since it will be wall mounted.

1130 = 50" Pioneer Elite
930 = 43 Pioneer Elite
5060 = 50" Pioneer

Is there a major difference in PQ? If you actually use the additional picture adjustments and especially Pure mode....absolutely.


2) I've heard people say it will take 1080i. Why when I look at the specs it says.... Broadcast is 720p (HDTV) • 480p (EDTV) • 480i (SDTV)? Will it still handle 1080 or only 720? Can it receive 1080 and it down scales it to 720? I'm a little confused sorry.

It will process all ATSC spec HD resolutions to the panel's native resolution.


3) Online Purchase - I've read many happy customers that used TVA, and a few others that are sponsored on here. I have one big concern, has anyone had any problems with returning their unit due to dead pixels. My opinion is if I'm going to fork out this kind of money to a company online, which for me is a very big investment, I want the TV to work flawless on this part. I don't want to run into a problem if I need to exchange it due to bad pixels. I've had Laptops before with dead pixels and they are annoying to me.

TVA is the only one that offers a pixel perfect guarantee. You will need to contact them for more information.


4) I watch DVD's mostly. There is no doubt I will watch HD channels as well, but mostly I'm a big DVD viewer. From what I have heard from friends that have lower end Plasmas, many have said, they have been watching their DVD collection all over again due to the WOW experience they never enjoyed before on normal sets. I'm sure I will be doing the same thing with my PIO once I get it. My question here is.... What would be the best setup to view my DVDs? Do I get an Up-converter DVD player and use the HDMI cable to my Pio, and then run the Optical sound from the DVD to my Stereo Receiver? I'm aware the Optical is disabled when using HDMI to the receiver of the Pio. Is there a better setup for viewing DVD's to get the best quality and life like experience?

You best option would be to purchase a DVD player that can send the panel a 480i signal over HDMI. There are only a few that do just that. Some are the Pioneer 59avi, Pioneer 79avi, Sony NS975.

5) Burn in time. D-NICE apparently put some info reference burn in times for these plasmas somewhere between 100-200 hrs. But I cannot find what settings I should have the TV (once I get it) to do the BURN IN procedures. Is there a DVD that can be used to do a BURN-IN, like a looping movie or something like that? The other thing, I would like to know if someone can recommend me a DVD to properly setup the color, brightness and adjustments once the BURN IN procedure has been completed.

Read the last 2 pages for your answer ;)

So, I had a strange occurance take place last night on my 1130. About mid-way through the Sopranos, the Panel and the Media Receiver turned themselves off. I flipped them back on and a "Plasma Starting up" screen came up for about 15 seconds and then everything returned to normal.

What the hell? I've had this sucker for about 3 weeks now and I've never seen this happen before. Any ideas?

-Ben

Power failure?

Power failure?

Nope... the MR and the Plasma went into Standby mode and the sound system kept on truckin'... I'd never seen that "starting up Plasma" screen before either. I suppose it's possible that there was a power fluctuation and my power conditioner shut down for a second, but the sound sysatem and the DVR would have then cycled as well.

-B

Nope... the MR and the Plasma went into Standby mode and the sound system kept on truckin'... I'd never seen that "starting up Plasma" screen before either. I suppose it's possible that there was a power fluctuation and my power conditioner shut down for a second, but the sound sysatem and the DVR would have then cycled as well.

-B

Have you completely disabled the TV Guide feature? That garbage has been known to cause "gremlins".

Hi Everyone,

First time poster... just picked up a 5061 from Best Buy yesterday. Have it set to D-nice's break-in settings and it ran flawlessly for half the day yesterday. This morning when I turned it on, when the TWC SA8300 STB is connected to the MR on Input 1 via HDMI, the display in the upper right corner of the screen will not go off when I'm displaying SR channels in 480i.

When I switched over to HD channels in either 720p (ESPN) or 1080i (DiscHD) the display will go away. When the display stays on in 480i , it will flash off briefly when I change the volume on the TV but then come back on immediately. When going into the options menu, the display will go away too.

Again, the strange thing is it worked fine all day yesterday....

I tried searching this thread, but it's becoming very large and I did not find anything.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Nate

Actually, I figured out that it's when the STB is set to 4:3 Stretch mode (not sure why it was set to that as I had been watching in Zoom mode the day before) and the TV was set to Full. When I switched the STB to 4:3 Zoom instead of Stretch, the display started working correctly again. Strange...

Anyone know what the difference is when the screen display type is displayed in green versus white?

Have you completely disabled the TV Guide feature? That garbage has been known to cause "gremlins".

I haven't actually... I've been trying to figure out how to do that and have so-far been unsuccessful. I was alo trying to get into the service menu this weekend to check the panel hours, but no luck on gettting that to work either. D-Nice... if you have a sec, would you mind PMing me with some info on how to go about doing each of these things?

Thanks!

Thanks D-Nice :)

Have you completely disabled the TV Guide feature? That garbage has been known to cause "gremlins".

D-Nice is absolutely correct on this. After about a month of my 1130 working just fine, I starting getting a message when I turned it on saying "starting up, please wait", that would not go away until I plugged and plugged back in the media box. It would work work fine for several hours but then problem would come back. I found out from Pioneer that the problem was due to a issue with the TV Guide information being updated every day and at the time was isolated to people in the Seattle area! Anyway I went back to the TV Guide setup an put in all zeros into the zip code and the problem went away. However I also heard about the time I did this that they also "fixed" the TV Guide update in the Seattle area. I would have never thought that updating the TV Guide listings could cause such a problem?

[QUOTE=D-Nice] TVA is the only one that offers a pixel perfect guarantee. You will need to contact them for more information.[QUOTE]

I just got off the phone with TVA. They still do have the Pixel Perfect Guarantee for AVS Forum members. It is a 30 day guarantee NOT to have any dead pixels from your new plasma TV.

Anyone that is using a 930hd with a 79 avi can you post your settings so that i can reference it to my calibrations with DVE. Just getting started again with setup on both units. If you dont have that combo can you post your settings still.

Thanks a bunch guys.

Not sure how to describe the noise but it sounded like electrical wires came into contact. Both times happened right after I switched from 480i-channel to 720p-espn. I switched to another station immediately and had no problem. Went back to ESPN and it was fine. It happened for last couple nights and each time I couldn't replicate the problem. I checked all connections from the plasma/MR/outlet and they were all secured. I'm using the same outlet over the years and never had that strange phenomenon. There was no smoke or strange odor.

Can a bad cable box (SA3250HD) cause the problem? What gives?

Cheers,

Not sure how to describe the noise but it sounded like electrical wires came into contact. Both times happened right after I switched from 480i-channel to 720p-espn. I switched to another station immediately and had no problem. Went back to ESPN and it was fine. It happened for last couple nights and each time I couldn't replicate the problem. I checked all connections from the plasma/MR/outlet and they were all secured. I'm using the same outlet over the years and never had that strange phenomenon. There was no smoke or strange odor.

Can a bad cable box (SA3250HD) cause the problem? What gives?

Cheers,


Are you using a DVI-to-HDMI cable?

Is Pro-506U just another model number for the 1130?

Is Pro-506U just another model number for the 1130?

Thats the actual panel's model number.

Another dumb question, on the top right my Plasma displays what signal it is receiving. It always says 1080i on the digital channels and 480i on SD or DVD. On ABC, shouldn't it be receiving 720P. I am using Comcast HD and not an OTA set up.

Are you using a DVI-to-HDMI cable?

I currently have component connected from SA3250 to the MR.

Another dumb question, on the top right my Plasma displays what signal it is receiving. It always says 1080i on the digital channels and 480i on SD or DVD. On ABC, shouldn't it be receiving 720P. I am using Comcast HD and not an OTA set up.

I guess your box is under a 'fixed' mode & you have to set up the cable box to feed other def, 480i/p; 740p & 1080i. That's what I had to do on mine SA3250.

Cheers,
TP

I currently have component connected from SA3250 to the MR.

The sound you are hearing is the panel locking on to the new picture format (going from 480i to 720p or 1080i). It is normal and happens more with a HDMI connection. I hear it sometimes on Pioneer and Sharp LCD.

I guess your box is under a 'fixed' mode & you have to set up the cable box to feed other def, 480i/p; 740p & 1080i. That's what I had to do on mine SA3250.

Cheers,
TP

There is no option for that on my Comcast DVR Box, this is the latest box with HDMI out..

The sound you are hearing is the panel locking on to the new picture format (going from 480i to 720p or 1080i). It is normal and happens more with a HDMI connection. I hear it sometimes on Pioneer and Sharp LCD.

Thanks :)

There is no option for that on my Comcast DVR Box, this is the latest box with HDMI out..

Got a model #?

DCT-3412 - Motorolla

DCT-3412 - Motorolla

Post #780 may solve your problem, i think ;-)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142&page=26&pp=30&highlight=Motorolla+3412

Post #780 may solve your problem, i think ;-)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=604142&page=26&pp=30&highlight=Motorolla+3412


Thanks, I know it's the cable box because my 360 sends 720p okay..

I downloaded this file that D-NICE posted zipped.

I burnt that to a CD and and played it on my current TV and DVD just to get an idea of what it was about.

So my understanding is that I play this for 100-200 hrs continously ???? Just let this Blank screen that switches colors do the process for me ??? Just trying to get a better understanding.. I'm very new to this. Is there anything else I should be doing ??? I also believe I saw someone mention about turning down the contrast between 20 and 30? Is that correct? Anything else I should keep in consideration. I should be ordering my plasma soon. Just want to make sure I'm squared away on what I'm doing here, so I do it correctly.

Thanks.

MIKE

Just purchased an 1130. Mounted to wall with omni mount wishbone cantilever and am extremely happy. Blown away by the first movie, monsters, inc., with my daughter.

I saw a post that said to pass 480i through HDMI from pioneer 79avi. I originally setup the dvd player to upscale to 720p to match the 1130 native resolution. I can't believe the picture could be any better, but i'll try.

What's the best setting for the comcast DVR (w/ HDMI) to pass to the 1130? 1080i or 720p? Also, should I pass the SD in 480i or 480p?

Thanks in advance for any input.

Any more recommendations regarding wall mounts, other than the Omnimount Wishbone??

I've been searching and nothing cheap and good yet! :(

Watched 24 in HD last night for the first time with a $30 OTA Phillips antenna. The little FOX-28 logo in the bottom right corner I noticed was burnt into the screen slightly, so this morning I burned the break-in SVCD and it is running while I'm at work. The TV only has about 20 hours on it at this point though.

It seems as if the disc automatically repeats. I tried to set the player (JVC component out cheapie) to repeat, but it wouldn't take the command. After 3 hours of running I went home during lunch to check it and found it still running... was afraid I'd come home to a big JVC logo burned into the screen after the disc stopped.

Any more recommendations regarding wall mounts, other than the Omnimount Wishbone??

I've been searching and nothing cheap and good yet! :(

I bought a Sanus VMPLb from E-tronics... good price. I haven't mounted it yet, but it seems to be of good quality. I think the VMPL is the meant for up to 60" screens which is why I bought it. I wanted an over-built mount for the 50". It only tilts though, so I don't know if you're looking for more articulation?

I bought a Sanus VMPLb from E-tronics... good price. I haven't mounted it yet, but it seems to be of good quality. I think the VMPL is the meant for up to 60" screens which is why I bought it. I wanted an over-built mount for the 50". It only tilts though, so I don't know if you're looking for more articulation?

thanks...I will take a look

Just purchased an 1130. Mounted to wall with omni mount wishbone cantilever and am extremely happy. Blown away by the first movie, monsters, inc., with my daughter.

I saw a post that said to pass 480i through HDMI from pioneer 79avi. I originally setup the dvd player to upscale to 720p to match the 1130 native resolution. I can't believe the picture could be any better, but i'll try.

What's the best setting for the comcast DVR (w/ HDMI) to pass to the 1130? 1080i or 720p? Also, should I pass the SD in 480i or 480p?

Thanks in advance for any input.

For DVD, either 480i or 480p (if the player has good de- interlacing) is usually the best as scaling by the plasma only happens once to the 768p native (not 720p) resolution of the panel.

I don't have a Comcast DVR but if possible, set it to "native" resolution that way the so-so scaler in the DVR is bypassed and the excellent processor in the Pioneer plasma does all the work. If there is no native support, set the resolution to what it would be natively which is 480i for SD or 720p/1080i for HD. If that is to much hassle I would leave it at 1080i so you get the best HD performance (most HD material is 1080i) and SD will also look pretty decent.

For DVD, either 480i or 480p (if the player has good de- interlacing) is usually the best as scaling by the plasma only happens once to the 768p native (not 720p) resolution of the panel.

I don't have a Comcast DVR but if possible, set it to "native" resolution that way the so-so scaler in the DVR is bypassed and the excellent processor in the Pioneer plasma does all the work. If there is no native support, set the resolution to what it would be natively which is 480i for SD or 720p/1080i for HD. If that is to much hassle I would leave it at 1080i so you get the best HD performance (most HD material is 1080i) and SD will also look pretty decent.

I've been restling with this tonight. Just switched from component to DVi/HDMI (got some great HDMI cables from BestDealCables.com). I've got the DVR set to 1080i with 4:3 set to pass at 480i. I'm not so sure I like it, but my wife/kids are always watching std. def and I have to combat image retention - so 480i with no bars it is! And I suppose it lets the Pioneer do the work on std. def. What I don't like is switching between HD and Std. you get a partial green screen and other junk plus a few second pause.

Please Help...

I really like the pioneer pdp-4360HD, so have been reading through these posts to get an understanding of what you all think about them. I have a couple questions regarding these plasma panels. I'm in the market for a new TV after my Sharp AQUOS 37D4U started acting up on me within the warranty period; the model has some major problems with locking up and turning on by itself in the middle of the night. Now don't burn me but I have some questions regarding plasma vs. LCD.

1) My 37" AQUOS had a resolution of 1366x768 compared to the pioneer's 1024x768... simply how will this affect me? Will there be any difference while watching HDTV or DVD's. How about PC input, I will be running a mac mini through the panel also as my main computer how will this lower resolution effect me. (How will the pdp4360HD perform with Blu-ray/HDDVD?)

2) How big is the reality of burn in? In post 3478 a member states that while watching 24 he gained a burn in of the fox logo... that's only an hour long show and seems to be a big problem -- is this due to user settings or a common problem. I play videogames and often play longer than an hour (2-3hrs sometimes); does this become an issue with plasma over LCD. Especially using the plasma as a PC monitor I am worried about Burn-in.

3) Now i'm coming off a TV that was a lemon what is the history with pioneer's plasmas longevity, pioneers customer service, and troubleshooting? I've read that the TV Guide feature has given the TV some problems is this a big problem -- i really don't want to live with a TV that locks up or powers down or has dead pixels.

4) I'm looking at buying the TV online thru an authorized dealer so I don't want to worry about dead pixels or defective product, so have people had a generally good expereince with this specefic model?

Also any feedback from members that with have an LCD also or have switched to Plasma from LCD I would love and greatly appreciate your feedback.


thanks so much for your help in advance
-ck

Sorry just found some more info:

Three new Panasonic models were released XXX60U, impressive specs (10,000:1 CR, 29 billion colours, 2 hdmi ports). The new Panasonics msrp's are dirt cheap at $2499 for the 42" (see panasonics website 37" $1999 and 50" $3499).

I would love to hear some of your comments comparing the PDP 4360HD vs. the Panasonic 42XXX60U.

Sorry just found some more info:

Three new Panasonic models were released XXX60U, impressive specs (10,000:1 CR, 29 billion colours, 2 hdmi ports). The new Panasonics msrp's are dirt cheap at $2499 for the 42" (see panasonics website 37" $1999 and 50" $3499).

I would love to hear some of your comments comparing the PDP 4360HD vs. the Panasonic 42XXX60U.

Nothing to be sorry about, search this thread for "Panasonic" and I am sure you will find plenty of reasons to buy the Pioneer. Feature wise the 42PX600 is more comparable to the 4360 and the price is comparable, if not cheaper, on the internet for the 4360.

Guys.

Do you really think it is really worth purchasing at this point a high quality player such as the 59avi / 79 avi? I know these players are really good at what they do in playing current DVD content.

But what about getting a decent player such as the Sony DVP Ns975V or waiting to see what blu-ray/HD DVD can do by way of getting separate box or by way of Ps3. Does it make sense to have the 59avi and a new blu ray DVD player in a cabinet, if I continued this way I'll probably need a new entertainment center :)

Just a thought.

Got a great in TV in a Pio and just trying to up the ante in the other levels of Home theater. The DVD player was next on my list and I'm kind of at a loss in how I should proceed.

Thanks.

Guys.

Do you really think it is really worth purchasing at this point a high quality player such as the 59avi / 79 avi? I know these players are really good at what they do in playing current DVD content.

But what about getting a decent player such as the Sony DVP Ns975V or waiting to see what blu-ray/HD DVD can do by way of getting separate box or by way of Ps3. Does it make sense to have the 59avi and a new blu ray DVD player in a cabinet, if I continued this way I'll probably need a new entertainment center :)

Just a thought.

Got a great in TV in a Pio and just trying to up the ante in the other levels of Home theater. The DVD player was next on my list and I'm kind of at a loss in how I should proceed.

Thanks.


No one knowns how well the HD players will play regular DVDs.

If you are betting on a PS3 to actually output a decent BR movie picture, I would suggest you look at the current PS2 and ask yourself if it plays DVDs very well.

Also, there Hybrid players coming out this fall. It may be financially wise to wait until these machines come out to jump on the HD bandwagon.

Just watched some more Hi-Def on the new Pioneer 50" plasma. Boy oh boy what a beautiful display. The image is just so darned rich, clear and smooth!

No one knowns how well the HD players will play regular DVDs.

If you are betting on a PS3 to actually output a decent BR movie picture, I would suggest you look at the current PS2 and ask yourself if it plays DVDs very well.

Also, there Hybrid players coming out this fall. It may be financially wise to wait until these machines come out to jump on the HD bandwagon.


Totally agree with you about the PS2/3 DVD playing. Never really intended to use them as a major player. Honestly I always wanted to get the 59avi player. I guess I just waited a bit to long and I'm in between technologies now to really go either way.

The fall seems to be a long time from now, besides how good would the Hybrid technology be...ya know.

The fall seems to be a long time from now, besides how good would the Hybrid technology be...ya know.

You're right on that one. The Sony NS975 is a good player as it can output 480i over HDMI. However, if you like SACD and DVD-Audio, the 59avi or 79avi would be your best bet.

Just watched some more Hi-Def on the new Pioneer 50" plasma. Boy oh boy what a beautiful display. The image is just so darned rich, clear and smooth!

:)

Just watched some more Hi-Def on the new Pioneer 50" plasma. Boy oh boy what a beautiful display. The image is just so darned rich, clear and smooth!

Going to get my 43" Pioneer pretty soon here, but I love to read others say that they love to view their new Pioneers as well. How do you think it compares with your 3? year old Panny Rich? Or the new 60X's if you've seen them?

I saw one 42 inch 60U at BB yesturday, and it didn't look as good as the 4360 from Pioneer, but it may have been the connection. I still al glad that I decided to go for the Pioneer instead of the Panny, they just looked cheap with the flat black on the silver body.

Just my 2 cents.

Going to get my 43" Pioneer pretty soon here, but I love to read others say that they love to view their new Pioneers as well. How do you think it compares with your 3? year old Panny Rich? Or the new 60X's if you've seen them?

I saw one 42 inch 60U at BB yesturday, and it didn't look as good as the 4360 from Pioneer, but it may have been the connection. I still al glad that I decided to go for the Pioneer instead of the Panny, they just looked cheap with the flat black on the silver body.

Just my 2 cents.
i cant buy the panny it looks to cheap it doesnt go with the rest of my furniture and the PQ didnt compare to the 4360 imo my 4360 will be here sometime next week !

i cant buy the panny it looks to cheap it doesnt go with the rest of my furniture and the PQ didnt compare to the 4360 imo my 4360 will be here sometime next week !

I agree with you mixtapem. It looks very cheap indeed. However I have to wait to purchase mine until I get my TV stand built. I went to BB and the fellow at one of my local BB's came down about 18% from the MSRP of $3999. The fellow at another somewhat local BB would only come down about 7%. Annoying how one BB differs from the other that is only about 20 miles away. Some managers are flexible, some aren't, and they won't get my business.

Currently I have the silver stand that comes with the 4360. Eventually I will get the PDK-1013 stand. However for right now do you think it's ok for me to have the center speaker placed on top of the silver stand underneath the TV for audio? I was just a bit concerned about the vibrations maybe damaging the inner workings of the TV.

Thanks.

You're right on that one. The Sony NS975 is a good player as it can output 480i over HDMI. However, if you like SACD and DVD-Audio, the 59avi or 79avi would be your best bet.


Can the Sony NS975V output 480i over HDMI as well. Is it the same model?

2) How big is the reality of burn in? In post 3478 a member states that while watching 24 he gained a burn in of the fox logo... that's only an hour long show and seems to be a big problem -- is this due to user settings or a common problem. I play videogames and often play longer than an hour (2-3hrs sometimes); does this become an issue with plasma over LCD. Especially using the plasma as a PC monitor I am worried about Burn-in.


I also stated in that post that the TV was fairly new at that point. I still don't know exactly how easily the screen would burn if it had been aged. My contrast setting was 20 at the time - which is low.

Other people have already mentioned that Plasmas really aren't for video games for that very reason.

Thinking about returning a 79avi dvd player for a denon 3910. Does anyone have any issues with this combo specifically Macroblocking with our sets?

Thinking about returning a 79avi dvd player for a denon 3910. Does anyone have any issues with this combo specifically Macroblocking with our sets?


Why would you do that? I have a Denon 3910 and would gladly do a trade with you....if you really wanted to get the 3910.

Can the Sony NS975V output 480i over HDMI as well. Is it the same model?

Same model.