S-Video to the media receiver is the best picture from an SD DTivo.

I have 4360 and the same flickering problem on HBO HD. It's definitely HBO otherwise it would be on all the channels

I have a 4360 and it is not flickering on only HBO-on channel #70 with D*. And I have a 1130 which it is flickering on HBO white lines at the top it's got to be the HD format????

If flickering means the picture and sound are cutting in and out, it's probably the cable company. My 4360 with CableCard is more sensitive to problems than the Panasonic HDTV with a cable box on the same cable. I thought the the flickering problem that I was seeing on only one HD channel was the TV until the next day when the Panasonic on a cable box started doing the same thing. When I called Comcast, they told me they were having problems and working on it. They fixed it a few hours later.

So, I've been using my 5060 for just about 3 weeks now and am very happy. I really need some advice though regarding the cable box settings. I have comcast digital cable with the box hooked up to my 5060 directly via HDMI. The cable box is an HD DVR, Motorola I believe, and it has some basic setup options that alters the signal going to my 5060. Specifically, the box has settings for the demension of the TV (16:9, 4:3 letterbox, 4:3 pan&scan), also the resolution of the output (1080I, 740P, 740I, etc.). It also has a setting for the output of native 4:3 programing.

I remember reading a posting somewhere in the past pages that related to these settings, but can't find it. I thought the posting said to send the signals straight through to the TV to let the Pioneer do all the processing. Is this true? How do I do this? Any thoughts, anyone please???

It's been a while since I set up my Motorola 6412 DVR, but this is what I remember about it:

1. Use 16:9 for aspect ratio.
2. While the "native" mode for the TV is 720 p, 1080i also looks great on HD and some even prefer it. Experiment with these two for yourself.
3. There is also a setting for SD 4:3 material that they refer to as a 4:3 override/default, or something to that effect. SD material and DVDs will look really bad if you do not get that right and I believe the proper setting is 480p. Once again, it's easy to experiment.
If you want to get rid of the cable box and let the TV do the processing, have Comcast install a CableCard. You will however loose the DVR capability and have to rely on a TV Guide Online that is not nearly as good as the Comcast cable guide.

After much debate I finally pulled the trigger and purchased the 930HD. I want to thank everyone who's ever posted a question on this thread because it truly helped me. A special thanks to D-Nice and Joe-R who responded to my PM's.

Half of us could sit side by side at a Bar/Lounge and never utter a word but a site this this allows us to connect with folks we will never meet but still have a connection with. The sappy stuff aside,,,I LOVE THIS TV!! If I ever learn how to attach pictures I will post a few.

The only thing I don't like is:

1) I didn't get the 1130 :( .
2) I still have an old a$$ Sony DVD player. Using the interlaced mode rather than progressive looks better to me.
3) Until I have my custom credenza made, I had to disconnect my Paradigm CC-470. Arrggh!!!
4) The MR makes a horrible noise that I can hear 9 feet way when the volume is low. It's not the fan, it's an audible humming noise. If I put pressure on the top of the unit it's much better but still audible. My dealer has already agreed to swap out the unit so hopefully this helps.


My only question for now involves the display's resolution. I live in New York and have an SA8300HD set to pass-through the signal. Why is it when I look at ABC the display says 1080i and not 720P?? :confused:

--- 4) The MR makes a horrible noise that I can hear 9 feet way when the volume is low. It's not the fan, it's an audible humming noise. If I put pressure on the top of the unit it's much better but still audible. My dealer has already agreed to swap out the unit so hopefully this helps.

After having one set of fans replaced on my 4360, I would say that 9 feet is pretty good for a Pio MR. Let us know if your replacement is quieter or louder. The broader problem here is a a really stupid, industry wide system design that requires hot high speed processors to run 24/7. The Pio MR consumes 24 watts whether it is on or in the standby mode and that's the reason for the fan. Cable and satellite boxes consume as much as 50 watts in their standby modes and are generally even louder than the Pio MR. The problem is that a cooperative effort between equipment manufacturers and cable/satellite companies is needed and the government panel that is addressing the national energy concerns is making a career out of a job that needs a near term solution.

for those of you that are experiencing "flicker" on some channels, are you running a D* H20 box? there's a huge thread in the HDTV reception forum about the H20. very poorly built box that over heats and causes all sorts of problems. the video drops in and out occasionally and i get some momentary pixelation as well. D* is swapping out the H20-600's for the H20-100's if you agree to the lease agreement. the -100 runs substantially cooler and doesn't have the probs of the -600. check the cable card door to see what model you have....or crack an egg on top of the box. if it starts to cook, you have a -600.

It's been a while since I set up my Motorola 6412 DVR, but this is what I remember about it:

1. Use 16:9 for aspect ratio.
2. While the "native" mode for the TV is 720 p, 1080i also looks great on HD and some even prefer it. Experiment with these two for yourself.
3. There is also a setting for SD 4:3 material that they refer to as a 4:3 override/default, or something to that effect. SD material and DVDs will look really bad if you do not get that right and I believe the proper setting is 480p. Once again, it's easy to experiment.
If you want to get rid of the cable box and let the TV do the processing, have Comcast install a CableCard. You will however loose the DVR capability and have to rely on a TV Guide Online that is not nearly as good as the Comcast cable guide.

This is good information to know, and I'd really like to hear any other comments about this. In particular, I'm interested in the best way to set up the 6412 to allow the best feed to the 1130HD. Also, is there a way to use a cable card and still get DVR capability? A cable card wouldn't make sense unless it actually allows a better signal feed to the 1130 - is this actually the case?

1130for those of you that are experiencing "flicker" on some channels, are you running a D* H20 box? there's a huge thread in the HDTV reception forum about the H20. very poorly built box that over heats and causes all sorts of problems. the video drops in and out occasionally and i get some momentary pixelation as well. D* is swapping out the H20-600's for the H20-100's if you agree to the lease agreement. the -100 runs substantially cooler and doesn't have the probs of the -600. check the cable card door to see what model you have....or crack an egg on top of the box. if it starts to cook, you have a -600. I have a H20 hooked to my 4360 and I don't have this problem with it. Now I have a HR10-250 to a 1130 and I have this problem and this was hooked to my 4360 before and did not have this problem. And I am not saying there are no problems H20. I think it is in the signal we are getting? I am going to hook H20 to my 1130 see what happens when I get time. I was watching HBO last night and it happen on one movie and then it fine all night.

I have the 5060HD. Could anyone please tell me how I remove the small input image on the top right hand of the screen, which indicates which input I am currently in, I cannot seem to get it off the screen while watching a cable channel. I am not sure which settings to tweak.
Thanks
BEN

i have had my 4360 for about 2weeks now even tho i exchanged one becuz i thought the details in blacks were bad...the replacement is also doing the samething so maybe nothings wrong with the panels its just darker..i also notice some flickering and im using a pioneer hd cable box dont know model # offhand but inspite of these flaws I LOVE THIS SET its everything i could have hoped for and more even SD is very watchable coming from a hitachi 42hdt52a the IR was TERRIBLE i mean i couldnt watch sports for 5 min without IR now with the pioneer ive played video games for 1-2hrs at a time and watch sports and no IR at all...i had 2 hitachis they both had terrible ir problems where the pioneer doesnt overall i am very satisfied with the 4360 ...maybe a calibration will help reveal darker details
i was thinkin of gettin a new panny 50" for my livingroom (pioneer is in my bedroom) cuz its a little bit cheaper,i might have to rethink that idea and maybe i will get the 5060 or 1130 instead seeing as how impressed i was with the pioneer once i had it setup . and now the false contouring problem i had with my hitachi is gone so it makes shows like sunrise earth that much better!im not sorry i spent the extra $$ on the pioneer...there is one other problem the black piano bezel attracts dust like no other ive had to clean it like 3 times since i got it is there a trick to stop the static? perhaps one of the plasma screen cleaners?

man if only pio would make a 37 in pdp

Has anyone hooked up their Pio to a Dish VIP 622 DVR? I have it working great on component, but HDMI doesn't work at all. (yes, I did enable HDMI mode on the input, and I tried both Input 1 and 3) I don't have another HDMI device to test, so I was wondering if it could be a compatibility issue. Dish makes sure to call it an HDTV Digital Video/Audio input rather than HDMI, so I am wondering if they didn't adhere to the specs entirely.

This is good information to know, and I'd really like to hear any other comments about this. In particular, I'm interested in the best way to set up the 6412 to allow the best feed to the 1130HD. Also, is there a way to use a cable card and still get DVR capability? A cable card wouldn't make sense unless it actually allows a better signal feed to the 1130 - is this actually the case?

I have the 6412 and prefer all hd content be sent to the panel @ 1080i. I leave SD content at 480i and let the panel handle the scaling for it (I think the panel's scaling is better). Its really just personal preference. I think the 720p picture is softer, while the 1080i picture is sharper. I prefer sharp to soft, so that made the choice easy for me. Others here prefer 720p, some like 1080i. Whatever floats your boat :)

Cable card will give you the best image quality since there is no cable box that could be causing artifacts/problems. The cable box probably has worse internals than those in your tv, so you want to remove it from the signal path if pure outright image quality is what you seek. Once you have cable card, Tuner A becomes the cable card tuner. A cable card is really just a stored list of cable station frequencies and digital access codes. It does not have its own tuner, so it has to use the one in your tv (Tuner A in Pioneer's case).

Using cable card does not prohibit you from also attaching a cable box to another input as well, so that is how most people choose to keep DVR functionality. Tuner A for normal live watching (best image quality) with the DVR on another input for recorded shows.

There is not a huge difference in quality by using cable card, but to those image quality freaks among us, it can make all the difference. The main advantage is being able to have all your digital channels that are encrypted (HBO HD for example) in your normal tuner A lineup. I wanted to get cable card a while back, but after getting used to having my DVR for a while now, I cant watch tv without it. I rarely watch live tv at all anymore. I actually think a cable card would hinder my personal viewing habits. It would allow me to get all my hd channels in the tuner layout though... I'm a chronic commercial skipper. I would probably have to pay extra for the cable card (since I'm not giving up my DVR :)), so I dont know if it is worth it to me. I might try one sometime if I have to have the techs out for some reason.

hope this gives more info.

I have the 5060HD. Could anyone please tell me how I remove the small input image on the top right hand of the screen, which indicates which input I am currently in, I cannot seem to get it off the screen while watching a cable channel. I am not sure which settings to tweak.
Thanks
BEN


Try pressing the display button on the remote to force it to go away. If that works, it is probably just a loose wire at the MR or display (one of the two main connectors). If not, I would call pioneer service.

When the channel achieves sync, the display screen should go away. There was someone else in the thread that had this problem... searching may help you out.

How come analog AUDIO signals are louder than HD AUDIO signals?

How come analog AUDIO signals are louder than HD AUDIO signals?

I've got no idea on that one... maybe a difference in standards...

It annoys me too occasionally.

D-Nice,

I also have similar problem as nick mpt mentioned above.

On occasion, I see the the lower part (it is always the bottom part) as flickering lines and if it happens long enough I could see that it's actually the same image from the top repeated (not clear because this image is made of flickering lines).

I thought it was jitter, someone said Pioneer has to replace a panel inside the TV. I still have the 30 days return if I need to exchange it. But I need to be sure what causes this first. As I'm out of town right now, I can only try your suggestion once I got home. Could there be another explanation? Is something broken? Could harsh treatment during shipment process damage something? Is it manufacturing issue? Anyone?

Thanks.

I called Future Shop (owned by Best Buy in CAN), they're replacing my unit no questions asked...they said it is definitely a panel problem. Hopefully your store will replace yours as well!
On another note, I'm getting alot of judder or 'strobe' when the images move across the screen...I know this has probably already been addressed earlier in the stream, but does anyone know if there is something I can do with my settings to decrease this, or is this something I will have to live with.

I have SA3250HD via component to 1130 under "pass-through". I see a lot jitters/flickers on ESPN-HD Score Ticker when the news scrolls from right to left (no prob w/ up & down). It takes a minute or 2 to 'stabilize'. Do I have bad STB, reception or interference?

Cheers,
TP

I have the 5060HD. Could anyone please tell me how I remove the small input image on the top right hand of the screen, which indicates which input I am currently in, I cannot seem to get it off the screen while watching a cable channel. I am not sure which settings to tweak.
Thanks
BEN

Try going into the Option menu and setting the Auto Size to "Off". Solved the problem on my set. Good luck.

Dale

Is Pioneer coming out with a new 50" model? I'm aware of 1080p which will cost 10K. But the Magnolia guy told me that they are coming out with a new 50" model by June but he did not know the model number. He said that he had the model number for 1080p but will get more information about the new non-1080p model soon. This is the first time I heard about this. This was from Magnolia in Union City,CA.
He also said that the new shipment they are going to get, is for these new model. Now, shall I wait or is this vaporware??


My Dealer believes this will be the "1140", and Pioneer CS says they "always" change Elite models in July/Aug. No info on details; some speculation it will be 1080p (maybe the US version of the "5000" recently introduced in Europe?) No info on pricing. Since the 1080p 50" FHD1 (in June @ $10K) has no MR, could the "1140" be the integrated 1080p model, at some premium to the 1130???? I'm THIS close to buying an 1130 and obviously anxious to know all this.

Announcing new models and actually being able to buy them are two seperate things...

1130's were announced in July/Aug, but were not delivered until October-ish, and that was buying sight-unseen (no display models on floors yet).

Pioneer has said they want 1080 displays available for world cup though. If that happens, I dont think it will be the replacement for the 1130. It would cut the 1130 product lifetime down to 9 months or less, and also it would replace the 1130 with a significantly more costly display when the 1130 is selling pretty well now.

just my opinion.

edit: There is a thread in the main forum on the new models. The 1080p plasma is a seperate model. There were two 7G 720p panels announced as well, but the release dates on those apparently are not the same as the 1080p model. Those are what would become the 5070 and 4270 in the US, and are typically the basis for the elite models. The new 507 and 427 models (no longer a 43" model) do not have seperate MR's. There are minor improvements from my first glance, nothing major.

I recently set up my new 4360 with the help of this forum.

I recently noticed that when viewing DVD I notice a thin black line at the top and bottom of the image. The line is about 1/2 inch from the image itself and is located on the top and bottom of the image. Its not always there. When I see it I pause the movie and then switch to different screen sizes to see if its a fault in a particular spot in the plasma. But after trying different screen sizes I see it at the same position regardless of size 4:3 Zoom Full etc. I currently have a samsung DVD player displaying the image through component cables at 480HP.

I believe it has to do with the image itself rather than the plasma. Not sure if its the MR or the DVD player itself.

Ok So I pulled the plug and got the 5060hd. I waited for the Panny 50px60U to come out and then couldn't do it. I know I must be crazy, but I'm not that impressed by the Panasonic.

I'm really excited about the 5060. It was supposed to be delivered this yesterday, but now TVA is telling me it's back ordered and they don't know when it will be available. I was kind of hesitant to go with them b/c others had similar experiences but they had a great price (sub $4k).

Anyone else having problems? Any info would be great.

I had been wanting to buy a Panasonic plasma since last fall. I finally gave up waiting for the (600U) to be released and ordered the 5060HD from Satellite & Sound. Their prices were competitive and the entire process went without a hitch. I've had the TV for a week now and its fantastic. The guy that came to install the cablecard had never worked on a Pioneer couldn't figure out where to plug the coax into the TV. I showed him the media box input and he got the cablecard setup without further problems. He told me that the picture on the Pioneer was the best he had ever seen in a flat panel. I'm not sorry I spent the extra bucks on the Pioneer.

I was just offered a deal on an 1130 for about $700 more than I'm paying for my 5060. Any one have feelings if its worth the extra money.

The forum seems kinda split between the PQ benefits v. $

I'm really confused about what to do.

Ok So I pulled the plug and got the 5060hd. I waited for the Panny 50px60U to come out and then couldn't do it. I know I must be crazy, but I'm not that impressed by the Panasonic.

I'm really excited about the 5060. It was supposed to be delivered this yesterday, but now TVA is telling me it's back ordered and they don't know when it will be available. I was kind of hesitant to go with them b/c others had similar experiences but they had a great price (sub $4k).

Anyone else having problems? Any info would be great.


I'm in the same boat as you with TVA. My 5060 was supposed to be delivered this week and was given a call yesterday telling me it could be a couple of days. So I just called them now to get more details about the situation and the CSR told me it could be a month! A week, I would of been fine, but a month will be a problem for me.

It's been a while since I set up my Motorola 6412 DVR, but this is what I remember about it:

1. Use 16:9 for aspect ratio.
2. While the "native" mode for the TV is 720 p, 1080i also looks great on HD and some even prefer it. Experiment with these two for yourself.
3. There is also a setting for SD 4:3 material that they refer to as a 4:3 override/default, or something to that effect. SD material and DVDs will look really bad if you do not get that right and I believe the proper setting is 480p. Once again, it's easy to experiment.
If you want to get rid of the cable box and let the TV do the processing, have Comcast install a CableCard. You will however loose the DVR capability and have to rely on a TV Guide Online that is not nearly as good as the Comcast cable guide.

WilliWu - Thanks so much for giving me the advice above. Followup question for you, however, for some reason, the aspect ratio when set to 16:9 produces more distorted images on my pio 5060... i've tried multiple times comparing the cable box's 16:9 vs 4:3 letterbox setting. Of course i realize that i'm watching a 16:9 tv, but the images appear either streatched too much or cut off on the top or bottom (regardless the aspect i select on the PIO 5060). So, I have resorted to passing the signal through the DVR box as 4:3 Letterbox and try to let the more expense 5060 work it out on its own. Does this make sense to you at all?

I was just offered a deal on an 1130 for about $700 more than I'm paying for my 5060. Any one have feelings if its worth the extra money.

The forum seems kinda split between the PQ benefits v. $

I'm really confused about what to do.

i have an 1130hd and i would say yes, but then again i've never owned a 5060. :p

i'm a bit on the anal side when it comes to picture quality, so it was natural for me to get the set that has as many tweaking options as possible. but that's me...your viewing habits (or addictions in my case) will dictate what direction you should go.

$700 is no joke, so justify the decision for yourself and make the purchase, and then ENJOY! you won't go wrong with either set, imo. (and if you decide not to get the 1130, maybe you can spend the savings on a new HD-DVD player!)

I was just offered a deal on an 1130 for about $700 more than I'm paying for my 5060. Any one have feelings if its worth the extra money.

The forum seems kinda split between the PQ benefits v. $

I'm really confused about what to do.

Will you be wall mounting or using a stand? The 1130 stand itself is one heck of a piece of work. Swivel, tilt (requires screwdriver), weighs probably 10lbs to boot. I've heard the 5060 stand described as "flimsy" in comparison to the bulky 1130 stand. Other than that, it comes down to the black asthetics and how much you want to be able to tweak your display, and if you will have pro calibration. The 5060 also does not have the media card slot for photo viewing if I recall correctly.

If you can pick 2 of the above points, I would go for the 1130. If not, stick with the 5060.

Will you be wall mounting or using a stand? The 1130 stand itself is one heck of a piece of work. Swivel, tilt (requires screwdriver), weighs probably 10lbs to boot. I've heard the 5060 stand described as "flimsy" in comparison to the bulky 1130 stand. Other than that, it comes down to the black asthetics and how much you want to be able to tweak your display, and if you will have pro calibration. The 5060 also does not have the media card slot for photo viewing if I recall correctly.

If you can pick 2 of the above points, I would go for the 1130. If not, stick with the 5060.

First off, thanks everyone for their responses.

WRT MB's questions, I'm going to wall mount this so that plus seems to be out. Also, my DVD player has media card slots, so I could use that, so this plus seems to be out.

MB what do mean about the black asthetics? I thought that both panels look fairly similar (i.e., piano black bezel, separate MR, etc.). Are there big differences? Unless the 1130 processes SD significantly better, I don't think I'd see a difference?

Any thoughts?

Thanks again for your opinions

The 5060 has a silver stand and a silver Pioneer logo. The Elite has an all black stand, and the gold Elite logo, which doesn't stand out as much.

WilliWu - Thanks so much for giving me the advice above. Followup question for you, however, for some reason, the aspect ratio when set to 16:9 produces more distorted images on my pio 5060... i've tried multiple times comparing the cable box's 16:9 vs 4:3 letterbox setting. Of course i realize that i'm watching a 16:9 tv, but the images appear either streatched too much or cut off on the top or bottom (regardless the aspect i select on the PIO 5060). So, I have resorted to passing the signal through the DVR box as 4:3 Letterbox and try to let the more expense 5060 work it out on its own. Does this make sense to you at all?

Any thoughts WilliWu, D-Nice, anyone else still active on this site? Does it potentially make sense to do what i am doing and output my comcast HDDVR output as a 4:3 letterbox format? The 16:9 setting on the box resulted in streached, cut-off images. Is there any sense to this or no? Thanks for all the help, I could really use some feedback!

Any thoughts WilliWu, D-Nice, anyone else still active on this site? Does it potentially make sense to do what i am doing and output my comcast HDDVR output as a 4:3 letterbox format? The 16:9 setting on the box resulted in streached, cut-off images. Is there any sense to this or no? Thanks for all the help, I could really use some feedback!

What brand is the DVR?

Any thoughts WilliWu, D-Nice, anyone else still active on this site? Does it potentially make sense to do what i am doing and output my comcast HDDVR output as a 4:3 letterbox format? The 16:9 setting on the box resulted in streached, cut-off images. Is there any sense to this or no? Thanks for all the help, I could really use some feedback!

First make sure that you are watching a real HD broadcast such as can be found on Discovery HD or the PBS HD channel all the time. Other formats must be either stretched (distorted) or shown with black bars to fill the screen. Press the "size" button on your 5060 to cycle through the various display options. The cable box should be set for 16:9 & either 720p or 1080i to get a proper HD picture. For the SD 4:3 shows, you just have to choose you poison (Distortion or bars) by cycling through the options with the "size" button. I assume your Comcast DVR is a Motorola 6412. Telling it that it is connected to a 4:3 TV is definitely not the way to go.

Ok guys and gals,

I'm offically "plasma-less" as I have sold my 930. I will remain "plasma-less" for at least 30 days (moving). My help with your Pioneer questions will be extremely limited until then.

Good thing is at that point I will have 2 Pioneer Elite 1130s, 1 Panasonic 42PX60u and 1 Panasonic 37PX60u :D

Ok guys and gals,

I'm offically "plasma-less" as I have sold my 930. I will remain "plasma-less" for at least 30 days (moving). My help with your Pioneer questions will be extremely limited until then.

Good thing is at that piont I will have 2 Pioneer Elite 1130s, 1 Panasonic 42PX60u and 1 Panasonic 37PX60u :D

going all out, huh? Thats what I always say. If youre going to go, go big!

oh, and deepest condolances on your loss... ;) One month till congratulations!

Ok guys and gals,

I'm offically "plasma-less" as I have sold my 930. I will remain "plasma-less" for at least 30 days (moving). My help with your Pioneer questions will be extremely limited until then.

Good thing is at that piont I will have 2 Pioneer Elite 1130s, 1 Panasonic 42PX60u and 1 Panasonic 37PX60u :D


meh..... that's nothing! I'm going to have 3 1130's, 2 1450, and 2 PRO-FHD1's.... :D


hehe...just kidding. Congrats on your "loss" and follow-up "upgrade" :)

Newer Pio comming out this year. The 50" 1080p Panel (not the FHD1) will run about 9g's and they are comming out with newer and "affordable" panels that run 1024x768 for about the same as the 5060. In my opinion, they look kind of fugly!

Linky:http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/19/pioneers-pdp-5000ex-is-back-brings-along-pdp-507hx-and-pdp-427/

:) meh..... that's nothing! I'm going to have 3 1130's, 2 1450, and 2 PRO-FHD1's.... :D


hehe...just kidding. Congrats on your "loss" and follow-up "upgrade" :)

going all out, huh? Thats what I always say. If youre going to go, go big!

oh, and deepest condolances on your loss... ;) One month till congratulations!


Trust me, it was hard letting it go.

Ok guys and gals,

I'm offically "plasma-less" as I have sold my 930. I will remain "plasma-less" for at least 30 days (moving). My help with your Pioneer questions will be extremely limited until then.

Good thing is at that point I will have 2 Pioneer Elite 1130s, 1 Panasonic 42PX60u and 1 Panasonic 37PX60u :D
Oh Thats too sad D-Nice we will miss your presence on the Forum. BTW Why not get a 1080P Plasma as well to make it 5. Jeez 4 Plasmas! I think thats overkill but hey everything is relative!
Good Luck :)

Oh Thats too sad D-Nice we will miss your presence on the Forum. BTW Why not get a 1080P Plasma as well to make it 5. Jeez 4 Plasmas! I think thats overkill but hey everything is relative!
Good Luck :)


With the 1130s I'll be sitting roughly 10-12 feet away, so the FHD-1 is completely worthless to me.

I'm thinking of purchasing a 1080p 65" commercial Panny "if" they come out this winter "and" they are actually worth it.

As far as overkill....nope. I refuse to purchase anything that cannot be mounted on the walls of my new home.....besides, the family will be able to watch multiple HD presentations through out the house :D

My 1130 is now just days away. Can anyone verify my belief that it does incorporate QAM decoding in its digital tuner. And if so, it will properly display any unencrypted HD channels that come in over my cable - WITHOUT going through a STB, CableCard, etc. Just hook the cable into the 1130 tuner input - right?

Related question: Does anyone know if Comcast in Burlington/Camden, NJ puts unencrypted HD channels out in their limited basic service?

TIA

SrPicman

My only question for now involves the display's resolution. I live in New York and have an SA8300HD set to pass-through the signal. Why is it when I look at ABC the display says 1080i and not 720P?? :confused:



Anybody?? I forgot to mention that my cable company is Cablevision of NY. You know the guys who own the semipro Knicks basketball team with the highest payroll and fewest wins. :eek:

Anybody?? I forgot to mention that my cable company is Cablevision of NY. You know the guys who own the semipro Knicks basketball team with the highest payroll and fewest wins. :eek:


Did you actually setup your cablebox to allow 720p output? What brand cable box do you own?

Did you actually setup your cablebox to allow 720p output? What brand cable box do you own?


DNice,

I have an SA 8300HD. In the the Setting menu I don't see an option to select the output. My options are Fixed, Upconvert 1 or 2 and Pass-Through. The only changes that occur when I change the output is that Upconvert 1 or 2 the output for 4801 changes to 480hp. All of the YD channels remain 1080i even ABC.

Mightyburner

I know I must be crazy, but I'm not that impressed by the Panasonic

I'm with you! I checked out the Panasonic at 2 CC's and 2 BB's, some multiple times. Not only did the Pioneer have a better picture, it's far more attractive too.

Can you input exactly 768p into the Pio930 with an appropriate upscaling dvd player??

DNice,

I have an SA 8300HD. In the the Setting menu I don't see an option to select the output. My options are Fixed, Upconvert 1 or 2 and Pass-Through. The only changes that occur when I change the output is that Upconvert 1 or 2 the output for 4801 changes to 480hp. All of the YD channels remain 1080i even ABC.

Mightyburner
Hmm I have the SA 3250 and I had to enable the 720P Resolution by enabling it in the Box that is done by holding the guide and info button together when the box is off. You get into the setup and then choose whether you have a 720P supporting display.Also if you connect via Digital cable like DVI to HDMI than you will get another option saying Auto DVI which will select the original resolution of brodcast. I Personally prefer the 1080i setting as the Box doesn't have to resync whenever you go from 1080i broadcast to 720 p.. Just my .02 Cent stick with 1080i.

How important is it to have a power conditioner for the 1130? Is a good surge protector enough?

TIA
SrPicman

How important is it to have a power conditioner for the 1130? Is a good surge protector enough?

TIA
SrPicman

I personally use a Panamax Power Conditioner with my system. It removed some noise from my system, and has a nice whole-system warranty in case a power surge destroys my stuff. I don't have a plasma (yet) but I would recommend at least a basic power conditioner because of the noise I've seen it remove from the picture both on my television and my parents'.

DNice,

I have an SA 8300HD. In the the Setting menu I don't see an option to select the output. My options are Fixed, Upconvert 1 or 2 and Pass-Through. The only changes that occur when I change the output is that Upconvert 1 or 2 the output for 4801 changes to 480hp. All of the YD channels remain 1080i even ABC.

Mightyburner

Sorry if my suggestions have been misleading as the Comcast DVRs in the Boston area are Motorolas and I had assumed that yours was also. That said, your problem appears to be with the cable box and you should call Comcast before putting yourself through much more agony. Sounds like your box is not even set up for HD.

First of all my 930 is SWEET! I love the picture and have been useing D-Nice break in settings (thanks D) and its a great picture, the only thing I started noticing was in some situations I would see in the background minor color changes, just one small item or wall or something, its usually pale green or blue (some people wouldn't notice or care). I was watching Leno last night and he had a kid actor on after Tom Green and I could see the green fern in the far background blinking from one shade of green to another so I changed the Power Save mode from 2 to 1 and that stopped the blinking. Any idea what causes this? Should I just leave it on Power Save 1? Change settings?

Thanks again all

DNice,

I have an SA 8300HD. In the the Setting menu I don't see an option to select the output. My options are Fixed, Upconvert 1 or 2 and Pass-Through. The only changes that occur when I change the output is that Upconvert 1 or 2 the output for 4801 changes to 480hp. All of the YD channels remain 1080i even ABC.

Mightyburner

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/ExplorerClubGuides/getting_started/4003114B.pdf

Start on page 9

Can you input exactly 768p into the Pio930 with an appropriate upscaling dvd player??


Nope

How important is it to have a power conditioner for the 1130? Is a good surge protector enough?

TIA
SrPicman


That depends on the wiring in your house.

How important is it to have a power conditioner for the 1130? Is a good surge protector enough?

TIA
SrPicman

I'd say that a "good" (defined as one with isolated power line filtering/bank) surge protector should be plenty good enough. On the other hand, if the circuit on which your 1130 is connected contains some heavy, intermittent loads (like a space heater, clothes iron or business laser printer) then power conditioning may be in order.

I'm with you! I checked out the Panasonic at 2 CC's and 2 BB's, some multiple times. Not only did the Pioneer have a better picture, it's far more attractive too.

Absolutely Agree!!

Got word that my 5060 is on its way. :D

I decided to stick with it instead of upgrading to the 1130. I know I may not have the same PQ but I probably will play with the settings for a bit and then leave them. I'm not as big an videophile as a lot on this forum. Thanks to everyone that gave me advice.

I'm very excited. Should be here mid next week

Since you can't input 768p from a VP into a 930, what's the next best solution?

480i over HDMI? 480p over HDMI? 720p over HDMI? 1080i over HDMI? I think you get my drift. :)

Since you can't input 768p from a VP into a 930, what's the next best solution?

480i over HDMI? 480p over HDMI? 720p over HDMI? 1080i over HDMI? I think you get my drift. :)

"untouched" 480i over HDMI.

Blinking Fern on Leno

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First of all my 930 is SWEET! I love the picture and have been useing D-Nice break in settings (thanks D) and its a great picture, the only thing I started noticing was in some situations I would see in the background minor color changes, just one small item or wall or something, its usually pale green or blue (some people wouldn't notice or care). I was watching Leno last night and he had a kid actor on after Tom Green and I could see the green fern in the far background blinking from one shade of green to another so I changed the Power Save mode from 2 to 1 and that stopped the blinking. Any idea what causes this? Should I just leave it on Power Save 1? Change settings?

Thanks again all


Good question. I also would be interested in any responses to your issue.

Blinking Fern on Leno

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First of all my 930 is SWEET! I love the picture and have been useing D-Nice break in settings (thanks D) and its a great picture, the only thing I started noticing was in some situations I would see in the background minor color changes, just one small item or wall or something, its usually pale green or blue (some people wouldn't notice or care). I was watching Leno last night and he had a kid actor on after Tom Green and I could see the green fern in the far background blinking from one shade of green to another so I changed the Power Save mode from 2 to 1 and that stopped the blinking. Any idea what causes this? Should I just leave it on Power Save 1? Change settings?

Thanks again all


Good question. I also would be interested in any responses to your issue.

What you're seeing is a subltle brightness shift... the pioneers reduce the brightness in order to decrease power consumption, and sometimes it's visible... I started noticing it a lot and put my power back on standard. This, however, will change your brightness setting a bit... an easy fix though.

Since you can't input 768p from a VP into a 930, what's the next best solution?

480i over HDMI? 480p over HDMI? 720p over HDMI? 1080i over HDMI? I think you get my drift. :)
Actually you CAN input 768P into the 930 from a Video Processor - you just have to use the VGA input rather than the HDMI input. For example, the Vantage HD video processor (by Calibre) outputs 1024X768 over VGA so that combo should work well. However, as D-Nice points out, 480i over HDMI (with the 930 performing the de-interlacing and scaling) renders an excellent result as well.

I was just offered a deal on an 1130 for about $700 more than I'm paying for my 5060. Any one have feelings if its worth the extra money.

The forum seems kinda split between the PQ benefits v. $

I'm really confused about what to do.

I struggled back and forth over a month between the 5060 and 1130 as I was also offer the 1130 for $700 more. I ended up getting the 1130 because I knew if I got the 1130 the only regret would be the extra cost. The first couple of weeks of having my 1130 I thought I made a mistake. However after I really started to use some of the advanced picture control settings on the 1130 I was sold. Even though the 5060 is a great picture I feel I easily squeezed another $500 in PQ out of 1130 and the 2 year warranty, stand, and quality control on an Elite (that probably assured me of getting a unit with no dead pixels) made up the rest. Both are great but the 1130 was definitely worth $700 more to me.

Actually you CAN input 768P into the 930 from a Video Processor - you just have to use the VGA input rather than the HDMI input. For example, the Vantage HD video processor (by Calibre) outputs 1024X768 over VGA so that combo should work well. However, as D-Nice points out, 480i over HDMI (with the 930 performing the de-interlacing and scaling) renders an excellent result as well.

His original question was asking about a DVD player.

What brand is the DVR?
D-Nice, thanks for the reply. Thanks too to WilliWu for the help. I am using a Comcast HD DVR, believe it is a Motorola 6412 version. D-Nice, do you agree with WilliWu that I need to shift the output on the DVR to 16:9?

D-Nice, thanks for the reply. Thanks too to WilliWu for the help. I am using a Comcast HD DVR, believe it is a Motorola 6412 version. D-Nice, do you agree with WilliWu that I need to shift the output on the DVR to 16:9?

OK! I checked my Motorola 6412 settings and this is exactly what works for me:

1. Set TV type to 16:9

2. Set Y Pb Pr Output to 1080i. (720p will also work, but I prefer 1080i)

3. Set 4:3 Override to 480i (480p might also work, but I have not tried it)

4. Exit the setup menu, turn the cable box to a real HD program and then cycle your Pioneer through the various display options by pushing the "size" button until you see one you like. Full is the one I use most often for HD.

If that does not give you a great HD picture that fills the screen when tuned to a real HD program, then call Comcast and tell them your cable box is broken.

Good luck.

[QUOTE=D-Nice]His original question was asking about a DVD player.

Not "any" DVD Player but one who does 768p over HDMI and component.
Again is the 930 accepting 768p over one of it's HD inputs??
The player is not a problem!
Thank you for your time.

[QUOTE=D-Nice]His original question was asking about a DVD player.

Not "any" DVD Player but one who does 768p over HDMI and component.
Again is the 930 accepting 768p over one of it's HD inputs??
The player is not a problem!
Thank you for your time.


Nope

Hey guys,

I've been over in the Hitachi thread for awhile, but I want more input on an impending purchase:

I'm trying to decide between the Pioneer PDP-4360 and the Hitachi HDX62 (Directors' Series). Did any of you decide between these two units? If so, what made you choose the Pioneer?

hi guys, one question about the input1 in the media receiver, can i use BOTH the component and hdmi inputat the same time? let me explain what i mean... can i plug my cable box via hdmi and xbox360 via component on input1? it seems like when i plug both in, only the hdmi responds...so does that mean i have do go to the setup menu EVERYTIME if i want to switch to component? thanks in advance. if so , what do u guys do if u have more than 2 players that use hdmi/component?

hi guys, one question about the input1 in the media receiver, can i use BOTH the component and hdmi inputat the same time? let me explain what i mean... can i plug my cable box via hdmi and xbox360 via component on input1? it seems like when i plug both in, only the hdmi responds...so does that mean i have do go to the setup menu EVERYTIME if i want to switch to component? thanks in advance. if so , what do u guys do if u have more than 2 players that use hdmi/component?

Why can't you use other input, 1/2/3/4 on the media receiver? Don't think you can use component once HDMI is enabled.

Cheers,
TP

I had a pioneer repair guy came to my house the other day to look at a problem i'm having with my 4360, i apparently unhooked the hdmi cable fromt he MR when i was moving the MR around while the direct tv reciever was still connect to it, so now when i'm chaning channels and going to diffrent resoutions, the tv would take a few tries to get the signal from the hdmi. He says he was able to reproduce the same problem as me by doing what i did, and he says he needs to do a software reset on my MR. My question is, is there a way i can do this myself, because i have would have to wait for him for another week to come to do this for me. Also, my tv has some jittering problems with hortizonal scrolls, he tells me he would had to take my tv off the wall and tighten up some screws to fix this, anyone seen this problem before, and if this is the correct way to fix it? Does pioneer replace everything easily? or do they just repair?

I had a pioneer repair guy came to my house the other day to look at a problem i'm having with my 4360, i apparently unhooked the hdmi cable fromt he MR when i was moving the MR around while the direct tv reciever was still connect to it, so now when i'm chaning channels and going to diffrent resoutions, the tv would take a few tries to get the signal from the hdmi. He says he was able to reproduce the same problem as me by doing what i did, and he says he needs to do a software reset on my MR. My question is, is there a way i can do this myself, because i have would have to wait for him for another week to come to do this for me. Also, my tv has some jittering problems with hortizonal scrolls, he tells me he would had to take my tv off the wall and tighten up some screws to fix this, anyone seen this problem before, and if this is the correct way to fix it? Does pioneer replace everything easily? or do they just repair?

Sounds like the termination to your HDMI cable was damaged when you accidentally pulled it out of the MR, in my opinion.

hi guys, one question about the input1 in the media receiver, can i use BOTH the component and hdmi inputat the same time? let me explain what i mean... can i plug my cable box via hdmi and xbox360 via component on input1? it seems like when i plug both in, only the hdmi responds...so does that mean i have do go to the setup menu EVERYTIME if i want to switch to component? thanks in advance. if so , what do u guys do if u have more than 2 players that use hdmi/component?

Most displays can only use one set of connections per input. If you have both the hdmi and components on Input 1, it isn't going to figure out which to display. Think about - what would it do if both the cable box AND the xbox were on?

Is there a difference between Panasonics's 9th Generaton Plasma panel vs. Pioneer 6th generation panel. Are both panels equivalent or is the pioneer's panel 3 generation behind? I would really like to know this since I have already pre-ordered Panny 42PX600U, but I am leaning towards Pioneer 4360.

hi guys, one question about the input1 in the media receiver, can i use BOTH the component and hdmi inputat the same time? let me explain what i mean... can i plug my cable box via hdmi and xbox360 via component on input1? it seems like when i plug both in, only the hdmi responds...so does that mean i have do go to the setup menu EVERYTIME if i want to switch to component? thanks in advance. if so , what do u guys do if u have more than 2 players that use hdmi/component?

You can but you have to switch it in the set up everytime like you said. Try to keep the two you use less often on the same input. It is annoying but only takes 10 seconds to switch. There is only two HDMi inputs n my 1130 so if you have three I guess you're screwed although I'm sure you can buy a splitter.

Wonder if Pioneer will ever sell an upgraded MR with more inputs.... ect...

I struggled back and forth over a month between the 5060 and 1130 as I was also offer the 1130 for $700 more. I ended up getting the 1130 because I knew if I got the 1130 the only regret would be the extra cost. The first couple of weeks of having my 1130 I thought I made a mistake. However after I really started to use some of the advanced picture control settings on the 1130 I was sold. Even though the 5060 is a great picture I feel I easily squeezed another $500 in PQ out of 1130 and the 2 year warranty, stand, and quality control on an Elite (that probably assured me of getting a unit with no dead pixels) made up the rest. Both are great but the 1130 was definitely worth $700 more to me.

good choice, I have been very happy with mine. No dead pixels after two months!! Best PQ even on standard with Comcast's new all digital 6412 box.. I can actually tolerate SD again

Is there a difference between Panasonics's 9th Generaton Plasma panel vs. Pioneer 6th generation panel. Are both panels equivalent or is the pioneer's panel 3 generation behind? I would really like to know this since I have already pre-ordered Panny 42PX600U, but I am leaning towards Pioneer 4360.

It doesn't work like that. Pioneer isn't "3 generations behind". Panasonic has been at it longer, but Pioneer didn't start from scratch and reinvent the plasma panel - they (like everyone else) was able to build on existing technology when they built their first panel. You can compare generations for a given mfr, but IMHO it doesn't really make sense to compare generation numbers across mfrs.

Use your own eyes - if you like the Pioneer go for it.

so it means i only have 3 component/hdmi inputs (including the front) to work with?

Just a follow up. I know many that purchased the Sony SXRD's where having some issues and I was one of them. Many started to look at the Pioneer Plasmas and purchased them. I opted for the wait a bit and swap out the SXRD and I can tell you my March 06 build is perfect. At this time I don't think it is so much the build date as I have seen older build dates that are perfect as well and more of a defect in some of the sets. Mine had the extreme Green Donut on start up that would go to a; 70% screen; Green Haze that showed on all inputs. I also had convergence issues and blacks that were Blue/Purple. My new set has none of these issues at all. No Green at start up; regardless of what Sony said was normal warm up mine has none at all. No Green Haze again Sony said it had something to do with temperature; Ok sure! Well due to so many people who were frustrated with the SXRD swap outs and not having any luck and checking out the fine Pioneer Plasmas I wanted to post here to let them know there is hope.

Good luck....

I have a my HD DTV (H20 box) connected to my 5060 via HDMI. Is there a way to fix the audio lag with HD channels? The audio seems to come way before the picture. This only happens in HD channels.

so it means i only have 3 component/hdmi inputs (including the front) to work with?

Yes - I think it is like this:

Input #1 can be HDMI *or* Component *or* Composite *or* S-Video
Input #2 can be Composite *or* S-Video
Input #3 can be HDMI *or* Component
Input #4 can be Component *or* Composite *or* S-Video

For those of you with a media box rceivers how long is your cable that is supplied?
Do you find it to be long enough and can I buy a generic cheap cable that is longer anywhere?
Do you find you need a longer cable?
Where do you put you media receier if you wall mounted your plasma?
last question: have any of you tried to hook up a DVR via the IEEE 1395 inputs (like a 2160dvr)?

I have a my HD DTV (H20 box) connected to my 5060 via HDMI. Is there a way to fix the audio lag with HD channels? The audio seems to come way before the picture. This only happens in HD channels.

i have the same thing and i also notice an audio lag. not on all hd channels though. usually the local OTA HD channels are fine - its the ones that come over the dish that i see it on. and particularly on the shows discovery HD is where i see it. about 40-50% of the time it happens to me on discovery. i find that sometimes if i pause for a few seconds and then play again, sometimes it helps.

i have the same thing and i also notice an audio lag. not on all hd channels though. usually the local OTA HD channels are fine - its the ones that come over the dish that i see it on. and particularly on the shows discovery HD is where i see it. about 40-50% of the time it happens to me on discovery. i find that sometimes if i pause for a few seconds and then play again, sometimes it helps.
Im pullng my local HD channels over the dish. The lag only happens in Local Channels. Also, this H20 box it not a DVR.

Im pullng my local HD channels over the dish. The lag only happens in Local Channels. Also, this H20 box it not a DVR.
oh yea - i got my models confused - mine is the hr10-250

OK ... just installed my 1130 today (and already pulling a post-midnight "play" period!)
A question: Since the 1130 does not support DD via HDMI, how can it output DD via the optical output? The composite/component/2-wire audio inputs don't carry DD, do they? I want to get DD 5.1 into my amp, and I'm thinking the best way is to go optical directly from the STB (SA8300HD).

Can anyone set me straight and offer a suggestion?

TIA

SrPicman

I'm using a separate reciever for all my audio, but I do have the standard 1130 speakers installed. I andthe dealer/installer have looked, but we can't find a menu function to disable the "internal" speakers. Is it correct that the only way is to actually disconnect them?

TIA

SrPicman

I'm using a separate reciever for all my audio, but I do have the standard 1130 speakers installed. I andthe dealer/installer have looked, but we can't find a menu function to disable the "internal" speakers. Is it correct that the only way is to actually disconnect them?

"Mute"

OK ... just installed my 1130 today (and already pulling a post-midnight "play" period!)
A question: Since the 1130 does not support DD via HDMI, how can it output DD via the optical output? The composite/component/2-wire audio inputs don't carry DD, do they? I want to get DD 5.1 into my amp, and I'm thinking the best way is to go optical directly from the STB (SA8300HD).

Can anyone set me straight and offer a suggestion?

TIA

SrPicman

The hdmi spec says that the destination device tells the originating device how many speakers it has, and the signal is modified appropriately. Since the 1130 only has 2 speakers, the hdmi interface tells this and therefore you get 2 speaker sound (downmixed from the 5.1 stream if available).

The most reliable (across all equipment) setup is to just use the HDMI for video and run a seperate optical cable to your receiver direct from your source (dvd player for example). If your receiver supports hdmi switching, then the receiver knows it has more than 2 speakers attached and will setup the appropriate stream, and there will be no need for an additional optical cable. Be aware a lot of cable boxes have issues with HDMI switching.

The internal tuners on the 1130 MR can support DD, though, so if you use the internal tuners, also remember to run another optical cable from the MR to your receiver as well. There is a menu option for Dolby Digital vs PCM on the digital out, and it should be set to DD.

And yes, I dont think there is an option to totally disable the speakers if not connected. I have them turned to 0 Vollume (not muted). When I hit mute, I have the closed captioning set to turn on.

The hdmi spec says that the destination device tells the originating device how many speakers it has, and the signal is modified appropriately. Since the 1130 only has 2 speakers, the hdmi interface tells this and therefore you get 2 speaker sound (downmixed from the 5.1 stream if available).

The most reliable (across all equipment) setup is to just use the HDMI for video and run a seperate optical cable to your receiver direct from your source (dvd player for example). If your receiver supports hdmi switching, then the receiver knows it has more than 2 speakers attached and will setup the appropriate stream, and there will be no need for an additional optical cable. Be aware a lot of cable boxes have issues with HDMI switching.

The internal tuners on the 1130 MR can support DD, though, so if you use the internal tuners, also remember to run another optical cable from the MR to your receiver as well. There is a menu option for Dolby Digital vs PCM on the digital out, and it should be set to DD.

And yes, I dont think there is an option to totally disable the speakers if not connected. I have them turned to 0 Vollume (not muted). When I hit mute, I have the closed captioning set to turn on.

MaliciousBraham .... You are the MAN!!! Thank you for the cogent answer! And I even understand it.

Since no good deed goes unpunished, I have 2 more questions:

1. What's the recommendation for "Pro Adjust" PQ settings for a new 1130 and for daytime ambient that is pretty bright?

2. My STB is SA8300HD, andI have used "Easy Setup". This sets all output to 1080i. Is there a way (and is there a benefit) to do a 480i override for native 4:3 content? (The "Advanced Setup" allows you to set it up so you can display any source resolution, but that seems generally like more trouble than it's worth.)

Looking forward to your thoughts.

SrPicman

MaliciousBraham .... You are the MAN!!! Thank you for the cogent answer! And I even understand it.

Since no good deed goes unpunished, I have 2 more questions:

1. What's the recommendation for "Pro Adjust" PQ settings for a new 1130 and for daytime ambient that is pretty bright?

2. My STB is SA8300HD, andI have used "Easy Setup". This sets all output to 1080i. Is there a way (and is there a benefit) to do a 480i override for native 4:3 content? (The "Advanced Setup" allows you to set it up so you can display any source resolution, but that seems generally like more trouble than it's worth.)

Looking forward to your thoughts.

SrPicman

We have motorola boxes with comcast service locally, so I cant help you out with the SA8300HD questions. I've never even seen an SA box in person, much less used one. Several others in this thread have though, so I'm sure someone will chime in.

My settings probably wont help too much since they are for a Motorola box also. If you take a look at the link in my signature, you can see pictures of how my room is lighted (windows, etc.), and also my settings. I have no windows at all to the rear of the seating, but 1 entire wall is windows to the side of the set. Even then, light is no issue for me.

Sorry I cant help more, but there are others in this thread who can.

MaliciousBraham .... You are the MAN!!! Thank you for the cogent answer! And I even understand it.

Since no good deed goes unpunished, I have 2 more questions:

1. What's the recommendation for "Pro Adjust" PQ settings for a new 1130 and for daytime ambient that is pretty bright?



Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: +1
Color: +1
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV or Off

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -4
B High: -5
R Low: -5
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Make sure you change the Power Save mode to save2


2. My STB is SA8300HD, andI have used "Easy Setup". This sets all output to 1080i. Is there a way (and is there a benefit) to do a 480i override for native 4:3 content? (The "Advanced Setup" allows you to set it up so you can display any source resolution, but that seems generally like more trouble than it's worth.)
SrPicman

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/Ex...ed/4003114B.pdf

Start on page 9

is there a noticeable difference in PQ by using the 480i override for SD programming? I also used the "easy setup" for my SA cable box cause I'm lazy...should I use "advanced setup"?
anyone's insight much appreciated.

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: +1
Color: +1
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV or Off

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -4
B High: -5
R Low: -5
G Low: -5
B Low: -6
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -5
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Make sure you change the Power Save mode to save2




http://www.scientificatlanta.com/Ex...ed/4003114B.pdf

Start on page 9

D-Nice,

OUTSTANDING!! Thank you for such a complete response. I will let you know my results - probably a day or so. One more ? for now: Is it true that "Tuner Adjust" is disabled when using only STB (not using Ant. A or B inputs)?

Thanks again,
SrPicman

Yesterday I went to Comcast (Redmond, WA) and picked up a new Motorola 3412 DVR as I was excited to try out my HDMI input as I had only used componat in the past. I connected it via expensive HDMI cable and I have picture but no audio to the TV. I took the cable back to Best Buy to test and the cable worked fine on a HDMI DVD player. I spend several hours on the phone with Comcast and I am swapping the box out today but I'm not very hopefull.

Has anyone seen this, or know of a solution?

I had a pioneer repair guy came to my house the other day to look at a problem i'm having with my 4360, i apparently unhooked the hdmi cable fromt he MR when i was moving the MR around while the direct tv reciever was still connect to it, so now when i'm chaning channels and going to diffrent resoutions, the tv would take a few tries to get the signal from the hdmi. He says he was able to reproduce the same problem as me by doing what i did, and he says he needs to do a software reset on my MR. My question is, is there a way i can do this myself, because i have would have to wait for him for another week to come to do this for me. Also, my tv has some jittering problems with hortizonal scrolls, he tells me he would had to take my tv off the wall and tighten up some screws to fix this, anyone seen this problem before, and if this is the correct way to fix it? Does pioneer replace everything easily? or do they just repair?


Seems like my repair guy was able to reproduce the problem with his pioneer, and he says there is a bulletin about my issue on line, he did a full reset on my MR and the tv worked great for about 10mins, but after that, the same symptoms is happening again. He is suggesting to me to take the Panel of my wall so he can tighten up all the screws and wires. Is this what service people suppose to do? I paid a premiumn for this TV and i would think i can get it replace or send me a new MR, but pioneer won't. Anyone have better solutions?

You can't expect them to fix it if you won't take it off the wall. They are going to want to try to fix it - that's what warranty service is - they will almost always try to fix it before resorting to any kind of replacement. I would keep asking for warranty service until you are satisfied - I assume you bought it from an authorized Pioneer dealer and the repair guy is from an authorized service center?

D-Nice,

OUTSTANDING!! Thank you for such a complete response. I will let you know my results - probably a day or so. One more ? for now: Is it true that "Tuner Adjust" is disabled when using only STB (not using Ant. A or B inputs)?

Thanks again,
SrPicman

If you have the Ant A or B inputs connected to a cable/antenna line, all you have to do is switch to the Antenna input to use them.

The tuner setup menu in the display menu is only available when a tuner input is actively selected. If you do not have anything plugged into A or B, then the input will still work, and the tuner setup menu will still be active as long as you select the antenna input, but the screen will be static because obviously nothing is connected to the A/B inputs.

The tuner setup menu will be grey-ed out when you have another input selected other than Ant A or B, because they obviously are not tuners, but just inputs.

That answer everything? :D

You can't expect them to fix it if you won't take it off the wall. They are going to want to try to fix it - that's what warranty service is - they will almost always try to fix it before resorting to any kind of replacement. I would keep asking for warranty service until you are satisfied - I assume you bought it from an authorized Pioneer dealer and the repair guy is from an authorized service center?

Yes i did buy it from authorized deal, (beyond plasma) one of our forum sponser, and the repaire person was a person that pioneer suggested.

If you have the Ant A or B inputs connected to a cable/antenna line, all you have to do is switch to the Antenna input to use them.

The tuner setup menu in the display menu is only available when a tuner input is actively selected. If you do not have anything plugged into A or B, then the input will still work, and the tuner setup menu will still be active as long as you select the antenna input, but the screen will be static because obviously nothing is connected to the A/B inputs.

The tuner setup menu will be grey-ed out when you have another input selected other than Ant A or B, because they obviously are not tuners, but just inputs.

That answer everything? :D

Got it! Thanks ... Again.

When using a Comcast Cable card in a Pro 930, what information is displayed on screen when you change channels? Do you get any kind of channel/program information? I am forced to add Comcast to get NESN HD for the Red Sox games as D* does not carry it yet.

Thanks -- Jay

I am interested in the PDP-5060 but...
For those of you who have a Pioneer with the media receiver:
If you needed a longer system cable (cable that connects the media receiver to the actual plasma) where did you buy it at? I am looking at monoprice and don't know what the cables are called? Are they 2 DVI cables or what?

I am interested in the PDP-5060 but...
For those of you who have a Pioneer with the media receiver:
If you needed a longer system cable (cable that connects the media receiver to the actual plasma) where did you buy it at? I am looking at monoprice and don't know what the cables are called? Are they 2 DVI cables or what?

Key Digital and Cable-Comm make longer system cables for Pioneer plasmas. You can purchase Key Digital cables from TvAuthorty. You can purchase Cable-Comm cables directly from them.

Here is a link from their website:
http://www.pioneer.co.jp/press/release164.html

When using a Comcast Cable card in a Pro 930, what information is displayed on screen when you change channels? Do you get any kind of channel/program information? I am forced to add Comcast to get NESN HD for the Red Sox games as D* does not carry it yet.

Thanks -- Jay

Assuming that Framingham, MA Comcast is the same as Lexington, MA Comcast and that the 930 displays the same info as the 4360 when using Cablecard and TVGOS, then you get channel number and Network when you change channels. Pressing the Guide button will usually get you program info and schedule, but it is not as complete as what you get with a cable box. They have no info on some channels such as 38 (838 HD).

Thank you for the reply and info.

Jay

ok....after couple of long nites, finally finished installing the Omnimount UCL-X canteliever wall mount:

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Thank you to everyone on this forum - I've learned so much.

Has anyone had a good experience purchasing the 1130 in Westchester County, NY? I'm also wiling to go to Rockland County or Bergen County.

Thanks so much.

OK, I'm 10 days with my 1130. Here are some observations. I'd be grateful for any responses as to how my experience so far compares with y'all's. Settings are all still "out of the box", except Contrast, which I set to 25 vs. the original 40. I'm running from a SA8300HD (fixed at 1080i) with video component hook up to MR and optical audio directly to my receiver (plus 2-ch audio from MR to receiver). The daytime ambient is quite bright.

A. PICTURE (1130 is almost always set at PURE/FULL with STB at NORMAL for HD. I use STB ZOOM 1 for SD to fill the screen. For DVD. I'm running an old NTSC Sony with S-Video to MR and optical audio to receiver (no upconvert, not progressive).

Daytime is quite soft. My 15" SD Toshiba LCD in a less bright room gives a brighter and more vivid picture. Night PQ with HD sources is wonderful with sports, DISC, PBS, INHD, and most network material, e.g. "Boston Legal", though scenes can appear a bit dark. DVDs seem surprisingly good; better than SD TV, though not as good as HD. Full Screen DVDs fill the 1130 and seem quite satisfactory.

B.SOUND (STB is set at DD).
Generally fine. But volume of HD source material seems a bit low -- then the commercials BLAST! Moreso than I recall pre-1130/digital cable. Normal SD volume seems louder.

C. APPEARANCE. GREAT!

What do you think? What have I missed? Any suggestions?

TIA
SrPicman

Thank you to everyone on this forum - I've learned so much.

Has anyone had a good experience purchasing the 1130 in Westchester County, NY? I'm also wiling to go to Rockland County or Bergen County.

Thanks so much.


Karsha,
Call Planet TV in Stamford, Ct. They delivered my 930 for only $25.

Mightyburner

I bought my Pio 1130 from Harvey Electronics in Greenwich, CT. They were very good. They even credited me back $ when the msrp was dropped. I had the plasma for a few months and they still honered the credit. Their prices are not the lowest i'm sure but my good experiences there warrant the costs imho.

Well I pulled the trigger today. I got the 4361 from BB. [EDIT] I couldn't resist.

I got it home and it looked bad with sd on comcast. I hooked up a Motorola signal booster and WOW. All the difference in the world. I don't have HD yet but it's on the way.

I watch a couple of dvds and it's just awesome.

Thanks for all who contributed to this thread. I couldn't be happier.

Mightyburner and Windrockwater,

Thanks so much for the info. I'll check them out and let you know.

I'm a little concerned now that I've read some of the recent posts that Pioneer may have stopped producing the 1130s.

Thanks again!

I just got my SA 8300HD box (Time Warner) and hooked it up using HDMI. I was wondering, for some reason the volume control function does not work. Is it due to the HDMI connection. When I had an regular old box it worked....now it doesn't. Any Ideas?

Thanks

Which model of the Elite table top stands is compatible with the 5060? Anyone interested in selling one please pm me.

Thanks!

Which model of the Elite table top stands is compatible with the 5060? Anyone interested in selling one please pm me.

Thanks!
Its PDK 1013. You can find plenty of em on ebay. They fit both 4360 & 5060

Its PDK 1013. You can find plenty of em on ebay. They fit both 4360 & 5060

Thanks Elvis!

I was wondering what HDMI video format (RGB or YCbCr) those with an 1130HD and a 59-avi DVD player are using? I have a theory on which combination should produce the best picture, which is based on the following:

Reason #1: The 59-avi can output 8 bit RGB or 8 bit YCbCr over HDMI.

Reason #2: As reported here, the the processing in the 1130HD is 10 bit.

Reason #3: I am assuming the video procesing in the 1130HD is performed in the YCbCr format.

If the above reasons are valid, then sending YCbCr via HDMI at 480i from the 59-avi should result in the least amount of processing to the signal prior to deinterlacing and scaling. The logic for this paragraph is that the 59-avi and the 1130HD are both utilizing the YCbCr signal format, so no conversions (which can be problematic) occur. This dictates sending YCbCr from the 59-avi

Further, aside from matching the video signal format (YCbCr) between the devices, the 10 bit processing capability in the 1130HD should have better performance than the 59-avi's 8 bit processing. This dictates sending out 480i from the 59-avi.

Lastly, when using the YCbCr video format over HDMI from the 59-avi, it would seem the HDMI Video setting on the 1130HD should be set to "Component 4:2:2" instead of "Auto".

This is a theory, so I'm curious to get some feedback on it. Also, can anyone confirm if the assumption in reason #3 is correct?

FYIO: It has been reported over in the 59-avi thread that sending RGB via HDMI at 480i from the player results in some clipping of the video signals. There is a "fix" of sorts by using a combination of settings, but it comes at the expense of some missing steps in the greyscale due to rounding errors. See the 59-avi thread for more info on this, if you are interested.

Mark

Pioneer 4360/5060 Settings

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -1
Color: -3
Tint: -3
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: STD

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

Oppo 971H Settings

DVI Output: Output 720p

Video Setup Menu:
Sharpness: Off
Brightness: 0
Contrast: -2
Saturation: 0
True Life: Off
CCS: off
Noise Reduction: Off


I have the settings configured to the above for my 4360. The break in period is over and I'm trying to get the best picture possible. Automatically the bump up in contrast is beautiful. Anyway, the question I have is that I'm confused about the settings of my cable box (8300HD) and how it affects the quality or the way I see the actual image on the 4360.

This is the current set up:

-I have my cable box set to widescreen viewing (16:9)

-Next to that setting I have the 4:3 material being stretched

-I have 480i 780 1080i selected

Do these settings still allow me to manipulate the way the screen looks by way of the pioneer remote. Basically, letting the TV rather than the cable box do the screen changes? I dunno I'm getting some 4:3 content with both black and grey bars but can't zoom the channel. Just wanted to see if I have things connected right

D-Nice...anyone?

I have the settings configured to the above for my 4360. The break in period is over and I'm trying to get the best picture possible. Automatically the bump up in contrast is beautiful. Anyway, the question I have is that I'm confused about the settings of my cable box (8300HD) and how it affects the quality or the way I see the actual image on the 4360.

This is the current set up:

-I have my cable box set to widescreen viewing (16:9)

-Next to that setting I have the 4:3 material being stretched

-I have 480i 780 1080i selected

Do these settings still allow me to manipulate the way the screen looks by way of the pioneer remote. Basically, letting the TV rather than the cable box do the screen changes? I dunno I'm getting some 4:3 content with both black and grey bars but can't zoom the channel. Just wanted to see if I have things connected right

D-Nice...anyone?

Those setting are for an Oppo 971H dvd player *ONLY*. Here are some corrected settings for your 8300:

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 32
Brightness: +1
Color: -13
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off or ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

These settings have no effect on picture formatting. Make sure you have auto size in the menu turned off or you will always get bars on the sides when watching 480i pictures.

Those setting are for an Oppo 971H dvd player *ONLY*. Here are some corrected settings for your 8300:

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 32
Brightness: +1
Color: -13
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off or ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

These settings have no effect on picture formatting. Make sure you have auto size in the menu turned off or you will always get bars on the sides when watching 480i pictures.


Your the man

Wow...thanks again for the settings correction. I am amazed at how my picture looks. I was watching discovery channel in HD....incredible. I am so happy I decided on getting the pioneer. Although I'm still having problems in getting all HD channels to fill my screen, and trying to figure out why I get grey bars sometimes (isn't that supposed to be horrible for plasma's) I am definitely on cloud nine. Now time to decide on the 59avi or the newer HD-DVDs/Bray...Hummmmmmm decisions decisions.

I've been with my 5060 for about 10 days now. Settings provided in this forum are very appreciated. I have no buyers remorse, which is pretty big for me.

I've got one problem though. I purchased 2 HDMI cables through monoprice. They both appear to be fine, but I was having problems with my DVD hook-up (into an LG progressive scan). Occasionally the signal would work and occasionally it would cycle through snow then a black screen...snow then a black screen...and so on.

Is this a faulty HDMI cable? I've switched them and it appears to be fine, but I don't know b/c it was kind of random before.

Anyone's insight would be helpful.

Thanks again to everyone on this forum.

I've been with my 5060 for about 10 days now. Settings provided in this forum are very appreciated. I have no buyers remorse, which is pretty big for me.

I've got one problem though. I purchased 2 HDMI cables through monoprice. They both appear to be fine, but I was having problems with my DVD hook-up (into an LG progressive scan). Occasionally the signal would work and occasionally it would cycle through snow then a black screen...snow then a black screen...and so on.

Is this a faulty HDMI cable? I've switched them and it appears to be fine, but I don't know b/c it was kind of random before.

Anyone's insight would be helpful.

Thanks again to everyone on this forum.

Check the dvd forum and search for your model LG player and see if anyone has any issues...

What model was it? I had an LG LDA-511 for a while. It had PQ problems that stood out to me, so I did not keep it (went for the Elite 79-AVI player from Pioneer) but I remember reading some reports of issues with hdmi sync with some people. I had no problems with that though.

It could be the cables, but honestly I'm more inclined to think dvd player first. The odds of having 2 bad cables are pretty small. You have tried both cables, right?

Somebody shoot me, 'cause I'm absolutely sure this has been discussed, but how are people liking the Toshiba HD player with their Pio plasmas? I'm thinking of biting the bullet this week.

It's been six months or so since I purchased my 1130, but am just now finishing my room. :( Sorry that I don't have the time to go back and sift through all the posts. Any help is appreciated.

And just as a note, I now find my colors way too saturated- the walls and ceiling are dark navy and the recessed lighting is higher up in the ceiling, casting less light throughout the room.

TIA

Elite 930HD. The unit was disconnected for moving and then re-connected.
I am now, noticing on the display unit, the stand-by light ( red ) and power light ( blue ) flashes alternatively if I put the unit in stand-by mode. On the MRC, the stand-by light is steady if the unit is in stand-by mode.

Any help highly appreciated. Thanks in advance

Regards

Yoga

Elite 930HD. The unit was disconnected for moving and then re-connected.
I am now, noticing on the display unit, the stand-by light ( red ) and power light ( blue ) flashes alternatively if I put the unit in stand-by mode. On the MRC, the stand-by light is steady if the unit is in stand-by mode.

Any help highly appreciated. Thanks in advance

Regards

Yoga
Check your Cables (B&W) that run from the Media Receiver to the Plasma unit one of em is not plugged in properly.

Hi, I have a Pio 5060HD that Ive owned for 3 months, burn-in has just occurred from SD .. it isnt image retention, can clearly see a program I was watching 2 days ago. I am watching in Standard picture mode, not high contrast and brightness settings. Is there a way I can remove this burn-in? If so please help.. and can someone give some tips on preventing this from happening again.. Im not sure why this happened I wasnt "abusing" it in any way to my knowledge anyways. Thank You

Hi, i have a pdp4360, what version is my cablecard slot? is it 2.0? And is there anyway i can control my cablecard setting with this TV? I seem to be only getting mono audio. And when i hit the MTS button it only changes language, and not audio.

Also, about my tv guide, how long does it usually take to get the listings? Right now my guide only shows time and channel title but not what is showing at the moment. I have had my cable card for 2 days now. Please let me know how long it takes to get all the tv guide to work.

Also, can anyone give good settings for the 4360 if i'm just using the cablecard?

Thank you

I've been with my 5060 for about 10 days now. Settings provided in this forum are very appreciated. I have no buyers remorse, which is pretty big for me.

I've got one problem though. I purchased 2 HDMI cables through monoprice. They both appear to be fine, but I was having problems with my DVD hook-up (into an LG progressive scan). Occasionally the signal would work and occasionally it would cycle through snow then a black screen...snow then a black screen...and so on.

Is this a faulty HDMI cable? I've switched them and it appears to be fine, but I don't know b/c it was kind of random before.

Anyone's insight would be helpful.

Thanks again to everyone on this forum.

I think i'm experieceing the same problem too, I had a repair guy came out and he was able to reproduce the same problem by keep un pluging his hdmi cable while the power cord is still plugs in. He says there is a special bulletin on pioneer website about this issue and it seems to be needing a hard reset. He did a hard reset on mine and it worked for a couple of hours, but after that it started to have the problem again. The only way he says he might fix it is to tighten all the stuff that's on the panel and maybe replaceing the motherboard for the MC. Give your tech guy a call.

Hi, i have a pdp4360, what version is my cablecard slot? is it 2.0? And is there anyway i can control my cablecard setting with this TV? I seem to be only getting mono audio. And when i hit the MTS button it only changes language, and not audio.

Also, about my tv guide, how long does it usually take to get the listings? Right now my guide only shows time and channel title but not what is showing at the moment. I have had my cable card for 2 days now. Please let me know how long it takes to get all the tv guide to work.

Also, can anyone give good settings for the 4360 if i'm just using the cablecard?

Thank you

I am using a cable card with my 5060. After one day (listings were added during the night when the TV was off), I had two days worth of programming on the TV Guide. It then took about a week for the entire 8 days of programming to be added. Based on my experience you should have some listings if the system is working correctly.

Check your Cables (B&W) that run from the Media Receiver to the Plasma unit one of em is not plugged in properly.
One of the B&W connectors was loose. Tighened it and the flashing of red and blue light stopped.

Thanks, elvisahmed.

My pdp-930 is over 3 months old and I am using the suggested settings found in this thread for the initial break in period. I use CABLE CARD and Elite 47avi is the dvd player.

Is there any After break-in period settings ?

Thanks in Advance.

My pdp-930 is over 3 months old and I am using the suggested settings found in this thread for the initial break in period. I use CABLE CARD and Elite 47avi is the dvd player.

Is there any After break-in period settings ?

Thanks in Advance.

I think many hold the opinion that bumping up the contrast to taste is probably all you need to do unless you decide to get it ISF calibrated. Just use common sense with your viewing; vary channel logo watching, full screen watching, and 2:35 widescreen to minimize the chance of any image retention, and you should be fine.

So, I just scheduled my ISF calibration for my 1130HD. Has anyone else here had an ISF calibration done yet? I'd love to know what kind of picture improvements any of you might have seen. When I had my Mitsubishi Diamond RPTV calibrated, the difference was truly amazing. I'm hoping for a similar transformation with the 1130.

Thanks!

-Ben

I’ve been lurking for a while, and the recently announced discontinuation of the 4360/5060 caused me to make my decision much sooner then planned…

Anyway – after a great deal of debate with the Girl Friend this week, we did it!
We ordered our 4360 tonight!

Apparently there are only 23 left in the Best Buy warehouse.
(I also checked Futureshop a few days ago and they also had less then 30.)

Looking forward to joining the 4360 club!

I’ve been lurking for a while, and the recently announced discontinuation of the 4360/5060 caused me to make my decision much sooner then planned…

Anyway – after a great deal of debate with the Girl Friend this week, we did it!
We ordered our 4360 tonight!

Apparently there are only 23 left in the Best Buy warehouse.
(I also checked Futureshop a few days ago and they also had less then 30.)

Looking forward to joining the 4360 club!
Welcome to the club but I hope you bought a stand as the BB didn't tell me that in Canada 4360 is sold without the stand and guess wat when my 4360 was delivered in the middle of snow storm in TO I had nothing to put it on and had to drive all teh to pick one up from the store sheeesh! talk about lack of product knowledge at BB! :rolleyes:

Hi, I own a 5060 HD had a few questions... Ive scrolled through the many pages for good settings with this panel and Ive had no luck... can someone please refer me to a certain page or if they have the time to suggest good recommended settings, Im trying to improved my SD watching, right now its in standard mode. Also, when I first turn on my plasma for the first 10-15 seconds I hear a popping/cracking type noise coming from the panel itself and then it goes away (owned my tv for 3 months, started diong this after 1st month) was wondering what this could be, or if others have the same problem? tHANK YOU

Welcome to the club but I hope you bought a stand as the BB didn't tell me that in Canada 4360 is sold without the stand and guess wat when my 4360 was delivered in the middle of snow storm in TO I had nothing to put it on and had to drive all teh to pick one up from the store sheeesh! talk about lack of product knowledge at BB! :rolleyes:

Thanks!

Yes I got the stand - I got the $300 one that rotates
(I think they call that one the "elite" stand?)

It'll be a while before I am fully set up - I bought the TV ahead of schedule, and my room isn't completely ready yet... and although I pre-wired for 5.1 sound, I have no funds left to buy the sound gear...
The TV will be hooked up to an old "ghetto blaster" for the first few months :P
But thats ok, as I haven't researched the sound specifics yet...
I'll take my time breaking the plasma in on regular TV before I get into watching movies anyway...

I am in Toronto as well!
what area are you in?

Thanks!

Yes I got the stand - I got the $300 one that rotates
(I think they call that one the "elite" stand?)

It'll be a while before I am fully set up - I bought the TV ahead of schedule, and my room isn't completely ready yet... and although I pre-wired for 5.1 sound, I have no funds left to buy the sound gear...
The TV will be hooked up to an old "ghetto blaster" for the first few months :P
But thats ok, as I haven't researched the sound specifics yet...
I'll take my time breaking the plasma in on regular TV before I get into watching movies anyway...

I am in Toronto as well!
what area are you in?
If you want to save some money, return the stand you bought and buy the PDK-1013 elite stand off ebay (or buy one off ebay first and then take yours back just to make sure you get one first). You should be able to find a new one for $50 or so. People that wall mount don't need their stands and sell them pretty cheap. I got a brand new PDK-1012 for $10. The shipping cost more than the stand!

Here are some corrected settings for your 8300:

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 32
Brightness: +1
Color: -13
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off or ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

These settings have no effect on picture formatting. Make sure you have auto size in the menu turned off or you will always get bars on the sides when watching 480i pictures.

Just purchased the 4360 today... What's the difference between these and the break-in settings?

Just purchased the 4360 today... What's the difference between these and the break-in settings?

Contrast setting

If you want to save some money, return the stand you bought and buy the PDK-1013 elite stand off ebay (or buy one off ebay first and then take yours back just to make sure you get one first). You should be able to find a new one for $50 or so. People that wall mount don't need their stands and sell them pretty cheap. I got a brand new PDK-1012 for $10. The shipping cost more than the stand!
Yeah Nuzy is absolutley right. I even got BB to give me a huge discount on the stand coz of the misinfo on their side. So I didn't bother to buy the stand of ebay and just kept the one I got. BB here doesn't sell the elite PDK 1013 stand here as they are not authorised Elite dealers but they actually sell you the older model stand for 4350 which is a blessing in disguise as it does swivel and the new stands doen't swivel at all for 4360. If you are looking for more swivel check out the pics I posted sometime back as I am getting almost 180 degree swivel with the Sanus swivel I bought. I just put the whole Thing on it and I can watch it from my kitchen to couch
Enjoy the best Plasma out there and I am at Yonge/Finch BTW :)

Just purchased the 4360 today... What's the difference between these and the break-in settings?
Contrast and Power setting I guess but I guess the Maestro D-Nice can shed some more light on it. :p

Hello-

I have been away from this forum for a few months, but I have been happily enjoying my 1130.

I would like to ask a question about an odd thing the 1130 did this evening and wanted to know if it was the first sign of a problem. My 1130 was purchased in December 2005. It's build date for the glass was October 2005 as shown on the label inside the display itself. The set has between 100 and 200 hours, though I have not done the check via the remote control yet. What happened this evening after about an hour of viewing a DVD, the display turned itself off. The media box stayed on, it's light stayed blue, but was blinking. The LED on the display went red. After a few seconds, I used the remote to turn off the media box. I waited about 30 to 40 seconds and used the remote to turn the set back on. It was back to normal after that and it worked fine for the next hour.

The other odd thing occurred the night before. I had been watching a very long DVD, after it was over, I used the remote to go from input 1 to Antenna 1 as I view programing OTA. It took it many seconds (Way longer then normal) to go from a black screen and no sound to recieve a TV signal and send it to the display. I don't know if these two occurrences are related, but it did give me pause for concern. I suppose I'm okay, it's wthin the warrenty period.

Anyone experience this? Perhaps it just needed a resetting by powering off and on. Thanks for all the fine help here!

Nelson

Hello-

I have been away from this forum for a few months, but I have been happily enjoying my 1130.

I would like to ask a question about an odd thing the 1130 did this evening and wanted to know if it was the first sign of a problem. My 1130 was purchased in December 2005. It's build date for the glass was October 2005 as shown on the label inside the display itself. The set has between 100 and 200 hours, though I have not done the check via the remote control yet. What happened this evening after about an hour of viewing a DVD, the display turned itself off. The media box stayed on, it's light stayed blue, but was blinking. The LED on the display went red. After a few seconds, I used the remote to turn off the media box. I waited about 30 to 40 seconds and used the remote to turn the set back on. It was back to normal after that and it worked fine for the next hour.

The other odd thing occurred the night before. I had been watching a very long DVD, after it was over, I used the remote to go from input 1 to Antenna 1 as I view programing OTA. It took it many seconds (Way longer then normal) to go from a black screen and no sound to recieve a TV signal and send it to the display. I don't know if these two occurrences are related, but it did give me pause for concern. I suppose I'm okay, it's wthin the warrenty period.

Anyone experience this? Perhaps it just needed a resetting by powering off and on. Thanks for all the fine help here!

Nelson

Nelson, if you had not touched the panel remote for three hours, it could have turned off by itself, which is normal. You said you were watching a DVD for an hour, but did not mention what you were doing before that time. However, that blinking light on the MR would indicate a problem. Did you check if your black and white cables are tight? That's the only thing I can think of right now.

Regarding the delay in switching inputs, I don't have any problems when going from input 1-4 to Antenna. But, my unit does takes a few seconds to switch between inputs 1-4. I also have an "issue" related to my HD-DVR on HDMI input 3: The DVR is set to auto HDMI, which outputs the native signal of the station (480i, 720p, 1080i).

When I switch HDTV stations on the DVR, sometimes the panel cannot "sync" when going from 720p / 1080i to 480i. The screen stays black, and there are little brighntess fluctuations indicating the panel is trying to sync to the 480i signal. To fix it, I have to switch to input 2 and then back to input 3. Sometimes the input buttons don't respond, and I have to switch to antenna, and then back to the other inputs. Strange and annoying, but I think it is related to HDMI sync issues.

Anyone else have that problem?

Mark

I've been with my 5060 for about 10 days now. Settings provided in this forum are very appreciated. I have no buyers remorse, which is pretty big for me.

I've got one problem though. I purchased 2 HDMI cables through monoprice. They both appear to be fine, but I was having problems with my DVD hook-up (into an LG progressive scan). Occasionally the signal would work and occasionally it would cycle through snow then a black screen...snow then a black screen...and so on.

Is this a faulty HDMI cable? I've switched them and it appears to be fine, but I don't know b/c it was kind of random before.

Anyone's insight would be helpful.

Thanks again to everyone on this forum.

It could also be a problem with your DVD player's HDMI output. This behavior occurs when the TV and the source equipment do not sync well. It happens to me sometimes when I try to connect my Moxi DVR box to the MR of my 5060HD. However, the same DVI/HDMI cable and connection work fine when I use the Oppo DVD player. The cable guy says there are a lot of people that experience this problem using DVI out on the Moxi box. Try switching sources to see if the problem disappears.

Hello-

I have been away from this forum for a few months, but I have been happily enjoying my 1130.

I would like to ask a question about an odd thing the 1130 did this evening and wanted to know if it was the first sign of a problem. My 1130 was purchased in December 2005. It's build date for the glass was October 2005 as shown on the label inside the display itself. The set has between 100 and 200 hours, though I have not done the check via the remote control yet. What happened this evening after about an hour of viewing a DVD, the display turned itself off. The media box stayed on, it's light stayed blue, but was blinking. The LED on the display went red. After a few seconds, I used the remote to turn off the media box. I waited about 30 to 40 seconds and used the remote to turn the set back on. It was back to normal after that and it worked fine for the next hour.

The other odd thing occurred the night before. I had been watching a very long DVD, after it was over, I used the remote to go from input 1 to Antenna 1 as I view programing OTA. It took it many seconds (Way longer then normal) to go from a black screen and no sound to recieve a TV signal and send it to the display. I don't know if these two occurrences are related, but it did give me pause for concern. I suppose I'm okay, it's wthin the warrenty period.

Anyone experience this? Perhaps it just needed a resetting by powering off and on. Thanks for all the fine help here!

Nelson

You have not completely disabled the TV Guide feature. Your display shut off because it failed to d/l the latest TV Guide info. Make sure you completely disable it by setting the zipcode to all zeros.

giomania and D-Nice-

Thank you for your quick input!

To answer giomania's questions, the plasma was first turned on when I went to watch that DVD. The DVD player is an older one, connected via Component. After an hour, the panel shut off. The funny thing is that the night before, I was watching the new Towering Inferno DVD and that was a long disc, and the display didn't shut off then. Just that delay in switiching input I mentioned.

I believe what D-Nice suggested sounds like the answer. I had shut off the auto-on TV Guide function, but I didn't do anything else like reset the zip code as suggested. It was late last night when this happened, much later then I should be up! So if this is the cause, then I'll know what the cause is. For now I'll leave the TV Guide as is, if it happens again, then I'll reset the zipcode to 00000 and retest. Having the TV Guide is nice though.

One more comment, another member here suggested Pure settings to me that his friend got when he had his 1130 calibrated by an ISF tech. I've been using these settings the last few months and at first they looked really muted to me, but now when I go back to the settings I got from using an old VE DVD, those looked awfully over cooked! The Pure settings do look very natural to me now. Thanks to the members again!

I just got my PRO-1130HD delivered yesterday after waiting 2 months for it and wanted to share some pics of my setup. The delivery guys from BB/Magnolia were really nice and did a great install job.

My sysyem is comprised of the Linn Komponent speakers with a B&W PV-1 subwoofer, Arcam AVP700/P1000 pre/pro and amp, Sony NS3100ES DVD player, Rega CD player, Comcast Motorola DCT 6200 cable box, Audioquest interconnects/cables and the Salamander Synergy twin 30 cabinet with the TV mount. Needless to say, this speaker system together with the 1130HD makes for a nice home theater setup. I can't wait to get a blue-ray player and PS3.

One question I had was can someone point me to the specific thread which describes how to find out how many hours the TV has been turned on so I can check when I have reached my 100-200 hour burn in time?

My 4360 seems to be not downloading the tv guide listing correctly. It shows the channel but not channel listing, i'm using a cable card. The cable tech guy told me to do a reset on my tv. Can anyone give me instruction on how to set everything back to factory reset or set the tv guide by to factory reset? Thank you in advance

I just got my PRO-1130HD delivered yesterday after waiting 2 months for it and wanted to share some pics of my setup...That's a nice setup! Thanks for sharing the photos. I am also considering a Salamander Designs cabinet. It looks like you are not using the backpanel. Do you have the perforated metal version front door?
DonP

My 4360 HD has a blinking Power that blinks in blue 12 times. This happens after it's been off for awhile. I seems as though it may be related to the Vent fan. When the door on the cabinet is open it doesnt seem to do this.

Has anyone had this issue? The Pioneer website sucks. Thanks.

That's a nice setup! Thanks for sharing the photos. I am also considering a Salamander Designs cabinet. It looks like you are not using the backpanel. Do you have the perforated metal version front door?
DonP

Hi HiDefDon,

I am not using the back panel. You should see all the interconnect and other wiring back there. :eek: I have a 6" gap between the back of the cabinet and the back wall so that I can have wiring access to all the components without having to pull them out individually. The open back also lets heat escape better.

I chose the frosted glass option for the front doors. I wanted to stay away from black as much as possible, so as to make the cabinet less massive visually. The IR remotes go through both the perforated metal and glass options BTW.

I don't know if I have the correct settings on my Plasma or Cable box but aren't you able have the HDTV signal fill the entire screen? For some reason only about four channels fill the screen as of now. Currently NBC and a couple others don't fill and I have grey bars either on the sides or on top and even zoom doesn't take care of it.

Any help would be appreciated

PS Currently I have my pio set to picture adjust off (cable box I have all selected formats except 480p).

Thanks

I don't know if I have the correct settings on my Plasma or Cable box but aren't you able have the HDTV signal fill the entire screen? For some reason only about four channels fill the screen as of now. Currently NBC and a couple others don't fill and I have grey bars either on the sides or on top and even zoom doesn't take care of it.

Any help would be appreciated

PS Currently I have my pio set to picture adjust off (cable box I have all selected formats except 480p).

Thanks

What type of cable box do you have?

What type of cable box do you have?


I have the 8300 HD DVR Model

I'm currently waiting on an 1130 from my dealer - they say they should have them by end of May or first of June. Is there any truth to the rumors that this line has stopped production? I'm wondering because my dealer has had such a hard time getting them.

Anyway, I'm wondering if I should now wait for a newer model. I really don't want to give up the media box. I'd love the 1080p panel, but I don't think I could handle the extra $$$.

Any opinions on what I should do? I primarily watch DVDs using a 79 player and a 74 receiver. I need a screen as we sold our old 3rd gen plasma this year.

I'm currently waiting on an 1130 from my dealer - they say they should have them by end of May or first of June. Is there any truth to the rumors that this line has stopped production? I'm wondering because my dealer has had such a hard time getting them.

Anyway, I'm wondering if I should now wait for a newer model. I really don't want to give up the media box. I'd love the 1080p panel, but I don't think I could handle the extra $$$.

Any opinions on what I should do? I primarily watch DVDs using a 79 player and a 74 receiver. I need a screen as we sold our old 3rd gen plasma this year.

I took delivery of 2 1130s this morning....they are still being produced.

I took delivery of 2 1130s this morning....they are still being produced.

That's good news, and glad to hear you are "plasmaless" no more! I'll probably stay with the 1130 strategy as I'm not sure a 768 panel can get much better than this, especially for the money.

I'm dying here.....

I still have to wait 15 days till my 1130 gets in! In the mean time I'm going "blind" by watching HD-DVDs on a 26" LCD at 13ft....

:D

Ok folks, a fresh new Plasma TV owner here, and I have read A LOT of this thread, and perhaps I've even missed it, but:

I just took delivery of a 4360 today, hooked it up using the cables provided to test it out. I am just using the PDP by itself for the next coulpe of days with no DVD player or anything else hooked up to it using...input A, I believe..am at work and not looking at the display at this time. I will hook it up to my DVD player sometime in the next week or so. I have it hooked up to standard cable TV coming out of my wall, no HD and of course the picture looks kind of crappy.

My question: I have read on here that people can tell what kind of signal the PDP is getting, beit 480i or 480p, as well as several other settings. What is the correct way to tell what the signal is coming into the unit?

I know the best thing to do it get HDTV, that is in the works, and around 3 months away of so. Other than that, what can be done to improve the clarity of the PDP?

If there are some 4360 or 5060 owners out there willing to share there Service Menu settings out there, even though they are personal preferences, I'd like to know of them, if they don't mind PM'ing me.

"The only dumb question, is the one you don't ask"

I don't know if I have the correct settings on my Plasma or Cable box but aren't you able have the HDTV signal fill the entire screen? For some reason only about four channels fill the screen as of now. Currently NBC and a couple others don't fill and I have grey bars either on the sides or on top and even zoom doesn't take care of it.

Any help would be appreciated

PS Currently I have my pio set to picture adjust off (cable box I have all selected formats except 480p).

Thanks


Just asking again to see what bites. I've tried and searched but can't find anything to specifically assist me. My friend has a 32 samsung and he says all his HDTV channels are able to be stretched to fill the entire screen, Is it because my screen is bigger that I'm not able to do it?

D-Nice (when you finish getting your two new additions set up...LOL)....anyone?

PS I use the 8300HD DVR Box

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it depends on your cable box. I used to have a PACE box from TWC and all of my HD channels stretched and fit just fine when I was using my TiVo via S-video input. But once I switched to the Scientific Atlanta box, it locks in on the HD signal (even when it's SD) and won't let me stretch it. I tried messing with fixed output vs. passthrough but it didn't help. It doesn't do it via component connection though.

Via component, I can even stretch my HD material. But via S-Video, it locks in with the pillar boxing.

So, has NO ONE had a ISF calibration done on an 1130 or similar?

Mine is scheduled for Friday and am I'm curious as to what the results are like.

Thanks again...

-B

Just asking again to see what bites. I've tried and searched but can't find anything to specifically assist me. My friend has a 32 samsung and he says all his HDTV channels are able to be stretched to fill the entire screen, Is it because my screen is bigger that I'm not able to do it?

D-Nice (when you finish getting your two new additions set up...LOL)....anyone?

PS I use the 8300HD DVR Box

Do you have your box setup to passthru? If not, set it to passthru. You should not have gray bars on a HD channel....regardless if it is in 4:3 format. 4:3 HD should have black bars which you can use the "Wide" aspect ratio on the Pioneer remote.

So, has NO ONE had a ISF calibration done on an 1130 or similar?

Mine is scheduled for Friday and am I'm curious as to what the results are like.

Thanks again...

-B

Very few have and for the ones that did, the calibrator did all changes in the regular Elite menu. I have yet to see an 930/1130 owner who's calibrator activated the ISF Day/Night picture settings.

Do you have your box setup to passthru? If not, set it to passthru. You should not have gray bars on a HD channel....regardless if it is in 4:3 format. 4:3 HD should have black bars which you can use the "Wide" aspect ratio on the Pioneer remote.

I don't belive that I do. As a matter of fact i'm almost sure of it. I will check it out as soon as I get home. Is this setting located under additional settings in the box menu?

I don't belive that I do. As a matter of fact i'm almost sure of it. I will check it out as soon as I get home. Is this setting located under additional settings in the box menu?

Yes.

Very few have and for the ones that did, the calibrator did all changes in the regular Elite menu. I have yet to see an 930/1130 owner who's calibrator activated the ISF Day/Night picture settings.

My ISF tech has the new ISF C3 equipment, so we are going to do a "Deep calibration" and we are going to activate the day/night settings. Are those who haven't had the day/night settings activated doing so because of a lack of need, or becasue their ISF dude didn't have the capability?

-B

I get my TV delivered tommorow!
(although I won't have time to set it up for a couple weeks :(

I am blown away by the resources in this thread ALONE!
Is there an easy way to save the whole thread for reference locally on my hard drive?

If anyone has the ideal break-in settings for the PDP 4360 handy, please (re)post them or PM me

I'll sift though this thread again of course, but my initial reading was causing an info overload!

During the 100-200 hour break in period, I'll be watching regular SD TV and maybe HDTV if I get the cable hook up done right away (still deciding on Rogers or Bell expressvu).

It'll be a while before I get the DVD player hooked up for movies
- I still need to research that and the sound side of things.

Thanks

My ISF tech has the new ISF C3 equipment, so we are going to do a "Deep calibration" and we are going to activate the day/night settings. Are those who haven't had the day/night settings activated doing so because of a lack of need, or becasue their ISF dude didn't have the capability?

-B

I have not had mine calibrated professionally because I honestly dont see anything I dont like about the picture. Why fix it if it isnt broke, right?

But be sure to post thurough before/after comments so that we (I) can decide if it is something we (I) want to have done...

I'm interested in everything from the equipment used, to the method, and the results.

But be sure to post thurough before/after comments so that we (I) can decide if it is something we (I) want to have done...

Not a problem... I'll take some pictures while he's working and I'll get some before and after screenshots as well...

The ISF calibration that I had done on my Mitsubishi Diamond was amazing... l'm hoping it is equally amazing on the 1130!

Do you have your box setup to passthru? If not, set it to passthru. You should not have gray bars on a HD channel....regardless if it is in 4:3 format. 4:3 HD should have black bars which you can use the "Wide" aspect ratio on the Pioneer remote.


D-Nice I checked under additional settings for my 8300HD box and could not find where passthru could be selected and/or where it could be found. Do you mean the settings when you press two buttons simultaneously on the box to bring up some menu items? If so I'll try again when I get home but I had a hard time in bringing that up last time.

Thanks again.

Okay... My 1130 Media Receiver is doing something odd. When the plasma is powered off, On occasion, the media receiver will power back up and display a flashing blue light while the panel remains off with a red light. What's up with this?

Any ideas?

Okay... My 1130 Media Receiver is doing something odd. When the plasma is powered off, On occasion, the media receiver will power back up and display a flashing blue light while the panel remains off with a red light. What's up with this?

Any ideas?


Flashing blue light is the indication that tv-guide software did not update correctly or was not able to establish a connection.

Flashing blue light is the indication that tv-guide software did not update correctly or was not able to establish a connection.

Well... I thought I had disabled the TV guide. Is there a way to completely rid the TV of this nuisance? Perhaps I just did it wrong.

Well... I thought I had disabled the TV guide. Is there a way to completely rid the TV of this nuisance? Perhaps I just did it wrong.

Set the zipcode to all zeros.

I have not had mine calibrated professionally because I honestly dont see anything I dont like about the picture. Why fix it if it isnt broke, right?

But be sure to post thurough before/after comments so that we (I) can decide if it is something we (I) want to have done...

I'm interested in everything from the equipment used, to the method, and the results.

Agreed. I thought the "out of the box" settings were fine and then I used those offered by MaliciousBraham - even better. Thanks, MB!

Okay... well, the calibration is finished and it yielded some very interesting results! My calibrator is Steve Martin of Smart Calibration (www.smartcalibration.com). He calibrated my previous Mitsubishi RPTV and is very well respected.

Here's the equipment he used:
Milori Colorfacts CF-6000 Spectrophotometer
Milori Pioneer C3 Remote
AV Standards TVS Pro color temperature reference (optical comparator)
Accupel HDG-3000 HDTV calibration generator

So, first things first. I was pretty happy with the picture quality on the 1130 before the calibration. My main grip was in my inability to get the black levels corrected as well as possible on this panel. Color was fine, but did need some fine tuning. I've been running with D-Nive's settings since the initial purchase of this panel. I was very curious to see if the calibration would correct these issues and bring the panel to another level of greatness. In short: it certainly did!

Steve started off by accessing the ISF C3 menus and began calibrating. From the start it was obvious that something wasn't right. Believe it or not, the C3 menus give the calibrator even LESS control of color levels and color temperature. Green was a real problem from the ISF menus. After making numberous color adjustments with little or no results, we finally figured out that the C3 functions are fundamentally flawed. If you set the TV up in C3 and then switch the TV back to pure mode, the C3 settings are permanently LOST! To make matters worse, the C3 menu would not allow full control of the green levels in the set. So, after almost 2 hours of trying to make c3 work properly, We abandoned it and went straight to calibrating from Pure mode. This yielded IMMEDIATE results. Steve was able to dial in the settings very quickly and when completed, the color level histogram and grey-scale both came in reading PERFECTLY. Steve remarked that this was one of the first TVs he'd ever seen that was perfectly accurate in color. Obviously, as with any plasma, green levels were off the chart in the beginning. Now they are right in line. Furthermore, all of the DNR and Mpeg NR settings were disabled as they both add a slight amount of edge enhancement to the picture. PureCinema is now in ADV mode, and we found that outputting 480p from my Denon DVD-1600 eliminated the judder problem that we kept running into at 480i. Another cool thing: Even with inputing HD signals via HDMI and DVD via component, the pure settings held in both modes. So, the other inputs all registered properly when set in pure mode. No additional calibration was necessary to additional inputs.

The results are fantastic. the picture is stunning. Fleshtones are perfect. green is not jump[ing out of the screen and yellow tones are phenominal.

I'm very pleased with the results. So, ISF is definitely worth it... just don't waste your time with C3 modes. I'll post some pics when I have more time...

-Ben

Another cool thing: Even with inputing HD signals via HDMI and DVD via component, the pure settings held in both modes. So, the other inputs all registered properly when set in pure mode. No additional calibration was necessary to additional inputs.

Thanks for the info on the calibration. I think the only setting (mode) that isn't global across all inputs is the "User" mode. Correct me if I am wrong, anyone.

I don't suppose you would care to share your settings, like D-Nice does with everyone here?

Mark

Okay... well, the calibration is finished and it yielded some very interesting results! My calibrator is Steve Martin of Smart Calibration (www.smartcalibration.com). He calibrated my previous Mitsubishi RPTV and is very well respected.

Here's the equipment he used:
Milori Colorfacts CF-6000 Spectrophotometer
Milori Pioneer C3 Remote
AV Standards TVS Pro color temperature reference (optical comparator)
Accupel HDG-3000 HDTV calibration generator

So, first things first. I was pretty happy with the picture quality on the 1130 before the calibration. My main grip was in my inability to get the black levels corrected as well as possible on this panel. Color was fine, but did need some fine tuning. I've been running with D-Nive's settings since the initial purchase of this panel. I was very curious to see if the calibration would correct these issues and bring the panel to another level of greatness. In short: it certainly did!

Steve started off by accessing the ISF C3 menus and began calibrating. From the start it was obvious that something wasn't right. Believe it or not, the C3 menus give the calibrator even LESS control of color levels and color temperature. Green was a real problem from the ISF menus. After making numberous color adjustments with little or no results, we finally figured out that the C3 functions are fundamentally flawed. If you set the TV up in C3 and then switch the TV back to pure mode, the C3 settings are permanently LOST! To make matters worse, the C3 menu would not allow full control of the green levels in the set. So, after almost 2 hours of trying to make c3 work properly, We abandoned it and went straight to calibrating from Pure mode. This yielded IMMEDIATE results. Steve was able to dial in the settings very quickly and when completed, the color level histogram and grey-scale both came in reading PERFECTLY. Steve remarked that this was one of the first TVs he'd ever seen that was perfectly accurate in color. Obviously, as with any plasma, green levels were off the chart in the beginning. Now they are right in line. Furthermore, all of the DNR and Mpeg NR settings were disabled as they both add a slight amount of edge enhancement to the picture. PureCinema is now in ADV mode, and we found that outputting 480p from my Denon DVD-1600 eliminated the judder problem that we kept running into at 480i. Another cool thing: Even with inputing HD signals via HDMI and DVD via component, the pure settings held in both modes. So, the other inputs all registered properly when set in pure mode. No additional calibration was necessary to additional inputs.

The results are fantastic. the picture is stunning. Fleshtones are perfect. green is not jump[ing out of the screen and yellow tones are phenominal.

I'm very pleased with the results. So, ISF is definitely worth it... just don't waste your time with C3 modes. I'll post some pics when I have more time...

-Ben

Yes, thank you very much for this report. I mainly watch DVDs and am interested in the best possible pic - interesting about the C3 modes. Wonder if that is specific to your set or just a flaw overall. I don't remember reading any reports of an ISF calibration for an 1130 before yours (the old noggin' does lose bits from time to time; I may have missed it!).

Thanks for the info on the calibration. I think the only setting (mode) that isn't global across all inputs is the "User" mode. Correct me if I am wrong, anyone.

I don't suppose you would care to share your settings, like D-Nice does with everyone here?

Mark

Well, maybe if we all chipped in to offset the cost of the calibration! ;) I'd donate a dollar or two to see your settings! :)

Well, maybe if we all chipped in to offset the cost of the calibration! I'd donate a dollar or two to see your settings!

Hey... I like the sound of that!

Well, maybe if we all chipped in to offset the cost of the calibration! ;) I'd donate a dollar or two to see your settings! :)

i'd be willing to contribute a bit

Yes.


Anyone know how to find and select the pass thru settings on a 8300HD DVR box?

Thanks

Ben -
Thanks for the update. How are the blacks after the calibration?

Well, maybe if we all chipped in to offset the cost of the calibration! ;) I'd donate a dollar or two to see your settings! :)


Add me to the list of contributors.

Thanks for the update. How are the blacks after the calibration?

Blacks are significantly improved. It was the single weakness that I had identified in the set and it is so drastically improved that it has completely eased my mind on the problem. Now, don't get me wrong, we aren't looking at CRT-like blacks here, but they are definitely the best I've ever seen on a plasma... and they are so close to CRT levels, that it is almost scary. Of course, when you add the Ideal-Lume bias light into the picture, the black levels seem perfect to me.

My ISF guy has never been a fan of Pioneer plasma displays. He tends to favor Panasonic. But after today's calibration, the Elite has won him over. I think it is also interesting to point out that after long periods of time viewing a static test pattern on the screen, we never saw the slightest hint of image retention... very impressive! My panel now has about 400 hours on it.

Another weird C3 thing: When trying to adjust grey-scale and black levels via the C3 controls, the deep blacks would always turn either navy blue or a very dark green. this was never an issue in pure mode. The opinion of my calibrator is that the C3 firmware in the 1130 is very flawed. He has had good results with C3 calibrations, but never on a 1130. It is a real shame. He's going to talk to some of his ISF buddies to see if it is just a problem with my panel, but it is looking like a problem on all 1130s. Thank goodness the pure setting works so well.

C3 has been problematic. I would never recommend it for that reason. These sets have all of the controls you need in the user menu.

I have calibrated several of these plasmas and the final results are exceptionally good if you have a spectroradiometer to tackle gamut.

Hi,

I've lurked here for some time doing my research in prep to dive into my first HD display and, after much reading on the forum, decided to pull the trigger on an 1130.

I'm now on a waiting list (not unexpected from what I've been reading here), with no guarantee they'd be able to fill the backorders from what the dealer told me. I took the pragmatic approach that I'm on a list, and if I get the 1130 great, if not, I'd be on a pretty short list to be in line for the follow on (1140?) model.

But there is one thing the salesman said, which didn't sound right. He told me Panasonic was making the glass for Pioneer, which was the reason Pio's have been in short supply - because Panasonic has been unable to keep up with their own demand so Pioneer isn't getting serviced. (I still placed an order because the price was below MSRP - his doubtful comment not withstanding. I think he was trying to steer me towards a Panny, but when I didn't bite he dropped it.)
I'm 99.9% certain, from what I've read here and at Pioneer's website, that's B.S. and that Pioneer makes their own glass and always has, correct?

BTW, I've really enjoyed the reading the commentaries here and gained a lot of useful knowledge from the various members.

Ted

Your salesman (like most of them) is completely wrong. Pioneer has their own panel manufacturing plants, and also significantly increased their own capacity by purchasing the NEC plasma plants in 2004. I have references, does your salesman? ;)
http://www.*******************.com/plasmatvreviews/whomakeswhat.html
http://www.nec.co.jp/press/en/0407/0101.html

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade a standard Pio plasma to the elite model? I think I read earlier in this thread that the panel is the same, and only the media box is different. Basically, I'm looking for a way to trade my media box + a few hundred dollars for an elite media box.

Also, has anyone found a gamma setting in the service menu on the non-elites? It's pretty clear that my 4360 is capable of putting out much better blacks than it does currently and I'd like to fix that issue without having to pay for an ISF calibration.

billybob_jvc,

Thanks for the confirmation! :D

Given Pioneer's proprietary tech (deep encased cells and crystal emissive), I didn't think they'd have anyone else doing the fab for them.

I think he realized he needed to shut up when my response to the comment was just silence. The odd thing was that later on he acknowledged that Pio had bought the NEC manufacturing facilities, so he ended up contradicted himself. I chuckled to myself on that one.

Ted

Add me to the list of contributors.

Me too...

Anyone know how to find and select the pass thru settings on a 8300HD DVR box?

Thanks
There are two different versions of the firmware on the SA8300HD, SARA and Passport. Passthrough is only available on the SARA version. If you can't find it, you probably have the Passport version.
There is an SA8300HD Passport forum on this site under: SA 8000HD & 8300HD w/ Passport software (TWC) Check it out!

Does anyone know if it's possible to upgrade a standard Pio plasma to the elite model? I think I read earlier in this thread that the panel is the same, and only the media box is different. Basically, I'm looking for a way to trade my media box + a few hundred dollars for an elite media box.

Also, has anyone found a gamma setting in the service menu on the non-elites? It's pretty clear that my 4360 is capable of putting out much better blacks than it does currently and I'd like to fix that issue without having to pay for an ISF calibration.
If you can find a stand alone Elite media receiver it will work fine. There is no "upgrade" to the standard media receiver other than replacing it with an Elite. The panels are the same other than a couple cosmetic differences.

If you can find a stand alone Elite media receiver it will work fine. There is no "upgrade" to the standard media receiver other than replacing it with an Elite. The panels are the same other than a couple cosmetic differences.
Yeah good luck with that the prices I saw on ebay for a normal MR was more than the the difference between the elite and normal pio. I can't imagine the price for an Elite MR.

Sorry in advance for the quality of some of these images...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf8.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf7.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf6.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf5.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf4.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf2.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/ISF1.jpg

Nice, deep blacks...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/sotl001.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/sotl002.jpg

Check out those flesh tones! (taken from a distance of 2 feet)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/sotl009.jpg

this is a noob question, but what does it cost to do a professional calibration with a technician like that??

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf8.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf7.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf6.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf5.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf4.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/isf2.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/ISF1.jpg

Nice, deep blacks...

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/sotl001.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/sotl002.jpg

Check out those flesh tones!

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e396/drsiebling/sotl009.jpg

Nice. Did your calibrator make adjustments to the "Pure" mode thru the SM or regular menu?

this is a noob question, but what does it cost to do a professional calibration with a technician like that??

Most ISF calibrators charge on a per input basis. Others, like Steve Martin (www.smartcalibration.com), charge a flat fee for fixed pixel displays (Plasma, LCD, etc..). The 1130 ran me $300 and every input is calibrated. When I had my Mitsubishi Diamond RPTV calibrated, on the other hand, it cost over $500 for three inputs and all the various fixes that had to be put in place. Hell, the convergence part of that process took almost 2 hours!

-Ben

Nice. Did your calibrator make adjustments to the "Pure" mode thru the SM or regular menu?

All the settings were finally done in the regular menus. The service menus offered no additional control parameters aside from the C3 modes, which don't really work properly.

Is anyone using the Oppo with their Pio or Elite displays? I recently picked up the 930 and now need a new dvd player. I have an old Sony S365 and the picture looks way too soft. Will I see a big difference using a progressive scan or upconverting player? Anyone have blocking issues with the Oppo? D-Nice - I believe you didn't like the Oppo (comments?) I need something to hold me off until the HD-DVD/BRD thing works itself out. What other players should I consider at around the same price point as the Oppo? Anyone using the Tosh HD-A1? Thanks in advance for your comments/suggestions.

If I disable the TV Guide by setting the zip code to all zeros, and also remove the cable card, will my Media Receiver fan then turn off in the standby mode? While replacing the fans has reduced the noise to a tolerable level, it would still be nice to completely silence it in the standby mode.

I performed the "calibration" of my 1130HD after 200 hours of break-in time. I am using a Pioneer Elite DV-59avi DVD player connected via HDMI and sending out digital component (YCbCr) at 480i resolution to the panel. I used both Avia, Video Essentials, and Digital Video Essentials calibration DVD's.

Interestingly, I could set contrast as high as 50! At 51, the whiter than white bars in the Avia test pattern disappeared. I didn't really feel comfortable keeping it that high, so I set it at 30. I'm wondering what experience others have had setting contrast with the avia pattern.

Also, I'm confused about the Color Management controls, which I have not used yet. The way I see it, you would use those controls instead of color and tint. If I recall correctly, "Color" adjusts red, green, and blue all at once, and "Tint" adjusts cyan and magenta at once. The Color Management controls provide individual control over red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, and yellow. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else has used the Color Management controls and how you adjusted them.

Thanks for any input.

Mark

I have the TWC 8300HD DVR and the Zenith DVB-318 hooked up to my 1130HD. With the 8300, I get a full image--side-to-side, top-to-bottom; I'm letting the Pio handle all of the format conversions.

With my DVD player, however, I have it set up doing 1080i upconversion over component (legacy from my previous set). When it plays back DVDs, even 16:9 DVDs, there is a thin black bar on the right side of the screen where nothing is displayed. It's about a half-inch wide. I used the break-in DVD here for many hours before noticing that the screen wasn't being fully filled. I immediately stopped using the DVD for break-in. I noticed a definite difference in picture between the rest of the screen and that right half-inch, but it has faded over time and is now only visible during full black scenes--that half-inch is a shade lighter. I'm hopeful that it will eventually go away completely.

The question, though, is: what (if anything) can be done to make the DVD source fill the entire screen? I'm using D-Nice's settings for both picture and sound, if that helps. Your help is appreciated--thank you!

I have the TWC 8300HD DVR and the Zenith DVB-318 hooked up to my 1130HD. With the 8300, I get a full image--side-to-side, top-to-bottom; I'm letting the Pio handle all of the format conversions.

With my DVD player, however, I have it set up doing 1080i upconversion over component (legacy from my previous set). When it plays back DVDs, even 16:9 DVDs, there is a thin black bar on the right side of the screen where nothing is displayed. It's about a half-inch wide. I used the break-in DVD here for many hours before noticing that the screen wasn't being fully filled. I immediately stopped using the DVD for break-in. I noticed a definite difference in picture between the rest of the screen and that right half-inch, but it has faded over time and is now only visible during full black scenes--that half-inch is a shade lighter. I'm hopeful that it will eventually go away completely.

The question, though, is: what (if anything) can be done to make the DVD source fill the entire screen? I'm using D-Nice's settings for both picture and sound, if that helps. Your help is appreciated--thank you!

Use the picture horizontal/vertical controls in the Pioneer's menu. If you do not know how to get to them....read the manual.

I performed the "calibration" of my 1130HD after 200 hours of break-in time. I am using a Pioneer Elite DV-59avi DVD player connected via HDMI and sending out digital component (YCbCr) at 480i resolution to the panel. I used both Avia, Video Essentials, and Digital Video Essentials calibration DVD's.

Interestingly, I could set contrast as high as 50! At 51, the whiter than white bars in the Avia test pattern disappeared. I didn't really feel comfortable keeping it that high, so I set it at 30. I'm wondering what experience others have had setting contrast with the avia pattern.

Also, I'm confused about the Color Management controls, which I have not used yet. The way I see it, you would use those controls instead of color and tint. If I recall correctly, "Color" adjusts red, green, and blue all at once, and "Tint" adjusts cyan and magenta at once. The Color Management controls provide individual control over red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, and yellow. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else has used the Color Management controls and how you adjusted them.

Thanks for any input.

Mark

I thought I would include my settings. I copied them from Excel, so not everything lines up correctly.


Application DVD
Equipment DV-59avi
Connection Type HDMI
Date 5/21/2006

Main Settings
A/V Selection Pure

Contrast 30

Brightness -1

Color 3

Tint -4

Sharpness 0

Pro Adjust Settings
Pure Cinema ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp Low
R High 0
G High 0
B High 0
R Low 0
G Low 0
B Low 0

CTI Off

Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

NR
DNR Off
MPEG NR Off

DRE
Dynamic Contrast High
Black Level On
ACL Off
Gamma 2

Use the picture horizontal/vertical controls in the Pioneer's menu. If you do not know how to get to them....read the manual.

Easy fix--thanks for the help.

I finally got my 1130HD plasma delivered, and I've had it for 3 days. A large portion of that time I've been playing the break in disc, avoiding possible IR issues, watching a few stretched DVDs and playing with the settings.

When the screen is bright white or green, I can see a "stuck" reddish purplish pixel in the bottom left area. I'm guessing that means the green component of that pixel doesn't work. I can't see it easily under normal conditions. Do I just have to live with it or is there anthing I can do?

Secondly, I've had this off for a little bit, but not too long over the past three or four days playing the break in disc. However, the unit has been blinking on and off (the power lights stay blue). The blinking has been increasing in frequency, from a few minutes, up to tens of second in between. I have tried two different DVD players, and S-video and component inputs (I don't have an HDMI player yet). The media box fans are running fine (they are surprisingly loud and the panel buzzes), but the air coming out isn't particularly warm. Nothing is blocking the panel ventilation either. Is it possible it is internally overheating? Has anyone else experienced a flickering problem?

I love the picture, but the stuck pixel and the especially the flashing are not what I expected from an Elite. I am going to call the dealer, but honestly I'd like to check directly with Pioneer first. What do you guys think, and what should be my next course of action? Do I have more options (like returning it for another) since it is so new? That is to say, I'm not entirely jazzed about sitting here without a TV for months after waiting months to get it... Am I pushing it too hard or expecting too much?

Thanks,
Ed
sad 1130HD

New member here with a New 5060. Have been reading this particular thread for info for setting up my tv, and now it is here. Here are my current settings:

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -1
Color: -3
Tint: -3
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: STD

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low


I plan on having the set professionally calibrated. I have a couple of questions:

1)Once the break in period is over how should I adjust these settings? I have a DVP-NS75H Sony Dvd Player attached via hdmi as well as Digital Cable via Brighthouse attached via hdmi.

2) Early this am, while breaking in the set, I feel asleep during little nemo. I was asleep for around 6 hours which means 4 hours of the menu screen. I can now (during white or light blue screens) see the menu. I am hoping this is just image retention and not burn in. I am d/ling and burning the break in dvd as we speak. Burn in or image retention??

While replacing the fans has reduced the noise to a tolerable level, it would still be nice to completely silence it in the standby mode.

What did you replace them with (make, model, etc.)?

Having a Pio plasma and a HD front projector in the same house? Is anyone using both either in the same room or different rooms? I am considering making my unfinished basement into a home theater. Right now, i have my pio1130 above the mantle in the living room and its fantastic. But i love a huge image for movies and think about a front proj for blockbusters, etc. The basement is dark and larger than my living room and well suited for a HT. Is anyone able to compare experiences when switching from the plasma to occasional front proj movie watching in terms of pic quality, black level, contrast, etc.?

Ok I switched My contrast to 25 , bright to +1 , color -12, tint 0. Like dnice recommended for break in. Does anyone know where I can get some test patterns to check for stuck pixels as well as something that will show my screen burn, (light blue or white screen) so that I can take a picture and show you guys/girls on here for an opinion as to whether or not its screen burn or image Ret. Thanks in advance.

Hey... I like the sound of that!

OK, let's see - that makes 4 of us - 300 / 4 = $75 each for your settings. ;)

Your pics look really nice - those blacks do look deep.

OK, let's see - that makes 4 of us - 300 / 4 = $75 each for your settings. ;)

Your pics look really nice - those blacks do look deep.

I've been absolutely THRILLED with the results. The calibration has made all the difference in the world!

I've been absolutely THRILLED with the results. The calibration has made all the difference in the world!

I'm curious what gamma setting he used. The manual has very little information about the different settings.

Mark

Is it worth it to have a 5060 professionally calibrated since it doesn't have the in depth settings like the 1130 has? Also if you guys would be kind enough to check out the burn in thread and look at my pics I posted of my Set I would appreciate it. Thank you kindly.

Is it worth it to have a 5060 professionally calibrated since it doesn't have the in depth settings like the 1130 has? Also if you guys would be kind enough to check out the burn in thread and look at my pics I posted of my Set I would appreciate it. Thank you kindly.

To have it calibrated is up to you.

I've responded to your post in the other thread. Please follow the directions I've posted as I don't visit the burnin thread.

To have it calibrated is up to you.

I've responded to your post in the other thread. Please follow the directions I've posted as I don't visit the burnin thread.
Thank you d-nice. I found the bruzzi thread, but couldn't find anything in the thread about screen wash function. I'm going to access the menu and see if there is anything in there that mentions screen wash.

Thank you d-nice. I found the bruzzi thread, but couldn't find anything in the thread about screen wash function. I'm going to access the menu and see if there is anything in there that mentions screen wash.

It's located in the test patterns page of the SM.

It's located in the test patterns page of the SM.

Just went through the entire SM , no test patterns page, I'm going to do some searches online to see if i can find a manual to the SM, its a little bit cryptic.

Just went through the entire SM , no test patterns page, I'm going to do some searches online to see if i can find a manual to the SM, its a little bit cryptic.

The patterns are there. They...I think....are in the panel fact menu.

Secondly, I've had this off for a little bit, but not too long over the past three or four days playing the break in disc. However, the unit has been blinking on and off (the power lights stay blue). The blinking has been increasing in frequency, from a few minutes, up to tens of second in between.

This post #3932 may help.

Cheers,
TP

New to the whole setting thing.........I'd guess its a bad idea to use the "dynamic setting"? Ive got a new 4360HD and have about 30-40 hours on it. Trying to ge the DVD burn in thing figfured out from the other thread. My question is what should my settings be on to have it calibrated correctly? Not being lazy just confused by all the different "user" setting numbers. Thanks. if you could link me to another post with the appropriate settings that's be great. Thanks in advance for your help. (trying to get best picture) have a new Sony DVP-NC80VB DVD player and am on Dish Network HD receiver. Thanks.

The patterns are there. They...I think....are in the panel fact menu.
Been searching online for Service Menu Manual, to no avail. Im scared of messing around in there and rendering the Set useless. Can anyone in here tell me exactly where the Screen wash function is and what it is called? Will it say Screen wash? I went in the Panel Fact Menu and here are the following sub menus:

Panel-1 Adj
Panel-2 Adj
Panel Revise
Etc
Mask Setup

Under the Initialize Menu are the follow:

SG Mode
SG Pattern
Side Mask Level
Final Setup

Anyone?

New to the whole setting thing.........I'd guess its a bad idea to use the "dynamic setting"? Ive got a new 4360HD and have about 30-40 hours on it. Trying to ge the DVD burn in thing figfured out from the other thread. My question is what should my settings be on to have it calibrated correctly? Not being lazy just confused by all the different "user" setting numbers. Thanks. if you could link me to another post with the appropriate settings that's be great. Thanks in advance for your help. (trying to get best picture) have a new Sony DVP-NC80VB DVD player and am on Dish Network HD receiver. Thanks.

Biscuit I may be wrong, but i think the settings are the same as my 5060 for break in period. Here are what I am currently using for break in period.

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: +1
Color: -12
Tint: -0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

Been searching online for Service Menu Manual, to no avail. Im scared of messing around in there and rendering the Set useless. Can anyone in here tell me exactly where the Screen wash function is and what it is called? Will it say Screen wash? I went in the Panel Fact Menu and here are the following sub menus:

Panel-1 Adj
Panel-2 Adj
Panel Revise
Etc
Mask Setup

Under the Initialize Menu are the follow:

SG Mode
SG Pattern
Side Mask Level
Final Setup

Anyone?

It's in the mask setup menu....been so long since i've been in there....sorry for the confusion.

It's in the mask setup menu....been so long since i've been in there....sorry for the confusion.
And it is called "screen wash" in there? Thanks in advance.

I just cycled through the test patterns and masks. What exactly will the screen wash do? and How long do i need to run it to fix this issue? Thanks so much.

I just cycled through the test patterns and masks. What exactly will the screen wash do? and How long do i need to run it to fix this issue? Thanks so much.

There patterns don't have anything beyond hex names. Look for a pattern that has a bright white bar that scrolls from left to right. That is the screen wash pattern.

There patterns don't have anything beyond hex names. Look for a pattern that has a bright white bar that scrolls from left to right. That is the screen wash pattern.
HOw long should i let it run for sir? Thank you for all the info you've provided.

HOw long should i let it run for sir? Thank you for all the info you've provided.

About 24 hours. Keep an eye on it. Sometimes it will stop and go to a light gray test pattern.....well it did when I had my 930.....just a heads-up.

About 24 hours. Keep an eye on it. Sometimes it will stop and go to a light gray test pattern.....well it did when I had my 930.....just a heads-up.
Is the bar so bright that it looks like its flashing? I think i found it! You are the man/woman.

Is the bar so bright that it looks like its flashing? I think i found it! You are the man/woman.


Yes...it looks white, but it's actually flashing RGB colors randomly.


MAN DEFINATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes...it looks white, but it's actually flashing RGB colors randomly.


MAN DEFINATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Awesome :) Thank you very much, would have NEVER been able to find that without your help. So you think will take care of the IR? Is that all I have? And no offense about the man/woman thing. I just didn't want to say thanks man and you be a woman. Thank you very much man :)

About 24 hours. Keep an eye on it. Sometimes it will stop and go to a light gray test pattern.....well it did when I had my 930.....just a heads-up.
Just did the light grey test pattern thing. Do i need to go back to that particular wash or will it do it by itself? Seems like it didnt take that long to go to the grey test pattern, and it would suck to have to sit by the tv for 24 hours to make sure it doesn't stick on the grey page. :(

For anyone wanting to know the screen wash function is CMB Mask 06 in the Pio 5060 service menu under Panel Fact > Mask Setup.

Yes...it looks white, but it's actually flashing RGB colors randomly.


MAN DEFINATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, I have a 4360 that I am trying to find out about several things:

1. I can get into the Service Menu and can go up and down in it, but how do I change things if I want to and keep the settings?

2. How can I tell the panel hours? I see the "main panel hours" words, but I thought there were two seperate readings.

3. I don't believe I have ever seen the "screen wash" maybe I have never been able even to see it?

seakwizdom can you PM me with some question I have for you?

Ok, I have a 4360 that I am trying to find out about several things:

1. I can get into the Service Menu and can go up and down in it, but how do I change things if I want to and keep the settings?

2. How can I tell the panel hours? I see the "main panel hours" words, but I thought there were two seperate readings.

3. I don't believe I have ever seen the "screen wash" maybe I have never been able even to see it?

seakwizdom can you PM me with some question I have for you?

Do you have instant messenger Or skype? if so tell me your username and I can help you as much as possible. As far as entering into sub menus, you just hit the enter button on the remote. Screen wash is not called "screen wash" in the SM, it is CMB Mask 06. I dont know anything about checking the panel hours, maybe Mr D-Nice knows if there are more than one reading.

Just did the light grey test pattern thing. Do i need to go back to that particular wash or will it do it by itself? Seems like it didnt take that long to go to the grey test pattern, and it would suck to have to sit by the tv for 24 hours to make sure it doesn't stick on the grey page. :(

For anyone wanting to know the screen wash function is CMB Mask 06 in the Pio 5060 service menu under Panel Fact > Mask Setup.


You will need to switch back to the washer.

Guys lets take any further SM/screen wash questions to the display calibration forum.

You will need to switch back to the washer.

Guys lets take any further SM/screen wash questions to the display calibration forum.

seakwizdom, I just PM'd you... I have not got a IM program , but you may PM me.

Biscuit I may be wrong, but i think the settings are the same as my 5060 for break in period. Here are what I am currently using for break in period.

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: +1
Color: -12
Tint: -0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Low

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

And how long is my break in period and what do these settings accomplish?

Also if I turn off the TV and come back hours later the "On" light on the receiver is flashing blue (12 times then repeats).

Anybody have a clue what this means? not in the manual anywhere. (other light combos are but not this one)

Thanks.

About 24 hours. Keep an eye on it. Sometimes it will stop and go to a light gray test pattern.....well it did when I had my 930.....just a heads-up.
Did you sit around for 24 hours and just keep switching it back to the wash screen? Its changing to the grey screen every 20 minutes. :(

I performed the "calibration" of my 1130HD after 200 hours of break-in time. I am using a Pioneer Elite DV-59avi DVD player connected via HDMI and sending out digital component (YCbCr) at 480i resolution to the panel. I used both Avia, Video Essentials, and Digital Video Essentials calibration DVD's.

Interestingly, I could set contrast as high as 50! At 51, the whiter than white bars in the Avia test pattern disappeared. I didn't really feel comfortable keeping it that high, so I set it at 30. I'm wondering what experience others have had setting contrast with the avia pattern.

Also, I'm confused about the Color Management controls, which I have not used yet. The way I see it, you would use those controls instead of color and tint. If I recall correctly, "Color" adjusts red, green, and blue all at once, and "Tint" adjusts cyan and magenta at once. The Color Management controls provide individual control over red, green, blue, cyan, magenta, and yellow. I'd be curious to hear if anyone else has used the Color Management controls and how you adjusted them.

Thanks for any input.

Mark

I thought I would include my settings. I copied them from Excel, so not everything lines up correctly.


Application DVD
Equipment DV-59avi
Connection Type HDMI YCbCr 4:2:2, 0 IRE
Date 5/21/2006

Main Settings
A/V Selection Pure

Contrast 30

Brightness -1

Color 3

Tint -4

Sharpness 0

Pro Adjust Settings
Pure Cinema ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp Low
R High 0
G High 0
B High 0
R Low 0
G Low 0
B Low 0

CTI Off

Color Management
R 0
Y 0
G 0
C 0
B 0
M 0

NR
DNR Off
MPEG NR Off

DRE
Dynamic Contrast High
Black Level On
ACL Off
Gamma 2 (Now at 3...see below)

I recently researched the aspects of gamma, and I was wondering what effect changing the settings on the 1130 HD might have. When I performed my initial calibration above, I had noticed something when viewing a vertical ramp pattern in Avia: The two bars on the extreme right of the picture were displayed as one black bar. In other words, I was seeing one black vertical bar when there should have been two black bars with different brightness levels (0 and 10 IRE, I think).

From my research on gamma, I knew the different settings might allow both bars to be displayed. As it turns out, this was correct. A gamma setting of 3 revealed (ever so slightly) the differences between the bars. I also tried different DRE settings of Dynamic Contrast, Black Level, and ACL, but they had no noticeable effect on this particular pattern. I re-checked the brightness setting with the appropriate test pattern, and I didn't need to change the setting.

Next, I wanted to see the effect on the top end of the gray scale, so I checked the contrast pattern in Avia. This time, I could only raise contrast to 42 or so before the whiter than white bars disappeared. I'm wondering what experience others have had setting contrast with the avia pattern, as I just leave it at 30 even though I can raise it higher.

I also wanted to try and understand the Color Management controls. I displayed the color bars in Avia and ran the controls up and down, but could not detect any changes in colors. Next, I displayed Avia's full field color patterns and ran the controls up and down. On these patterns, I noticed changes, and they were very subtle. That said, I still do not know what utility the Color Management controls have.

Anyone?

Mark

And how long is my break in period and what do these settings accomplish?

Also if I turn off the TV and come back hours later the "On" light on the receiver is flashing blue (12 times then repeats).

Anybody have a clue what this means? not in the manual anywhere. (other light combos are but not this one)

Thanks.

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This has been covered multiple, multiple times in this thread.