I agree with Peter, DON'T look for it. I've NEVER seen it on my 5050 and I don't want to look for it. I made the mistake of reading about vertical banding on LCD projectors after I got mine and it was a curse I'm still trying to get rid of. My advice is to research here a LITTLE (although I always get carried away obsessing about my purchase), and then don't look back except for any helpful tips. Definitely stay away from reading posts about "issues" because you'll find "issues" you didn't even know you had!

I haven't seen any 5060's or 1130's up here yet. The Pio Canada website doesn't mention these new products at all (they still have the 5050's and 1120's listed). Rich H is reporting that Toronto's leading B&M's (e.g., Bay Bloor) will have them in by the end of the month or early October, which is a week or two from now. His review was based on a unit that was given to a B&M for a short period of time but had to be returned.

Ross

HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6240039&&#post6240039) is the link to the post in the other thread...

HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6240039&&#post6240039) is the link to the post in the other thread...

Thanks. My dealer hasn't seen them yet, nor is there any mention of these new displays on the websites of the "usual" Pio / Pio Elite haunts in Toronto. I wonder: who is Ange Rizzo's dealer...?

Ross

Ross, Bay-Bloor has the Pio Elites in their conputer inventory, they should be in the store by the 28th and next weekend is the official "product launch".

Thanks. My dealer hasn't seen them yet, nor is there any mention of these new displays on the websites of the "usual" Pio / Pio Elite haunts in Toronto. I wonder: who is Ange Rizzo's dealer...?

Ross

I told you guys in my post that the retailer's name is Audio One. They are an authorized Pioneer Dealer located at Steeles and Keele.

The title says it all; I'll keep it brief since most won't find it helpful, but I thought it might be interesting for some to hear an opinion from "a regular joe", so to speak.

I was able to compare it to an Elite 1120, a Panasonic 50" HD, and finally a Panasonic 42/43" ED (sorry, didn't get the model numbers). The Elite model was in the adjacent Magnolia section, and even though they were not side by side, I could see both clearly at the same time. There were some other models on the same row, but the Panasonics and Pioneers were the only ones that stood out, at least for black levels. Also, they were showing a preview for the new Tim Burton Corpse Bride movie, which the wife and I thought would be a good test for black levels.

Both Panasonic models and the new Pioneer reproduced blacks at about the same level - I would probably rank them 1) Panasonic HD 2) Pioneer 4361 3) Panasonic ED and finally 4) Elite 1120. The first three were close; I was surprised at how well the Panny ED held up. The Elite was not as good; looking a little milky compared to the others.

As far as color goes, I have to say the 2 Pioneers had top billing. They were really sharp and vivid - much more than our 3g 505HD is. Now I understand when you guys talk about "punchy" - they really stood out. The Panasonics were nice, perhaps even more natural, but I prefer the vivid look, so the Pios came out on top there. I can't say that the 4361 looked any more brilliant than the 1120, though.

I have no idea how or if they were calibrated. The lighting was somewhat controlled - the shelves had a little extra on the top to block some of the fluorescent lighting in the store.

I wasn't able to play with the settings or play any DVD content, as I was anxious to see the "judder" that has been talked about. Didn't notice any degradation in detail during the dark scenes either, except a bit from the Panasonic ED. Could be settings, or source material here.

Really didn't like the stand on the 4361 - should at least be black. IMO, it takes away from the clean look and the really nice new bezel.

Well, there you go, probably worth what you paid for it. We are waiting on the 1130 to replace our 505HD, and I really want to set it up correctly. I hope I can learn enough here to do that - should I use some type of calibration disc? Is the THX optimizer on some of my DVDs worth using, or is there a better disc to use?

Thanks in advance.

Just got my October Issue of "The Perfect Vision"

I was reading through their extensive preview of the new technologies on the horizon for this year and the next, especially regarding new displays from, Toshiba, Hitachi, Pioneer, etc.

I found one part of the long article extremely interesting...

Now don't take my word for it, since this is news to me, but I quote exactly as written in the article. **Note the underlined words**

"...ISF C3 calibration mode allows technicians to provide selectable fully-calibrated ISF "Day" and "Night" modes for each input rather than a single global calibration that's always locked-in... Elite will also offer twice the warranty and a motorized swivel stand."

Can anyone confirm this? Has anyone seen/discussed this at CEDIA? I'm a bit skeptical, but if true that would be great.

This info makes the wait all the more frustrating!

Just got my October Issue of "The Perfect Vision"

I was reading through their extensive preview of the new technologies on the horizon for this year and the next, especially regarding new displays from, Toshiba, Hitachi, Pioneer, etc.

I found one part of the long article extremely interesting...

Now don't take my word for it, since this is news to me, but I quote exactly as written in the article. **Note the underlined words**

"...ISF C3 calibration mode allows technicians to provide selectable fully-calibrated ISF "Day" and "Night" modes for each input rather than a single global calibration that's always locked-in... Elite will also offer twice the warranty and a motorized swivel stand."

Can anyone confirm this? Has anyone seen/discussed this at CEDIA? I'm a bit skeptical, but if true that would be great.

This info makes the wait all the more frustrating!
My soon-to-come 1130 is sounding better and better every day!

I knew the stand was swivel, but I didn't know motorized. However, I won't count on that until I see for sure.

The ISF callibration I knew about. Day and night modes. And Pio has memory for each input, so I assumed it had to be that way (day and night for each input). An obsessive's dream come true!

Anyone heard if a 43" monitor version is forthcoming for the 6G Elite series (a replacement for the PRO-810HD)?

Cheers! Dan

Really didn't like the stand on the 4361 - should at least be black. IMO, it takes away from the clean look and the really nice new bezel.The stand on my 5061 hasn't bothered me much, but given the attractive price, I just bought a black swivel stand on eBay for $10 (plus $19 in shipping). I don't need the swivel, but I agree that black would be less of a distraction than the silver. Hopefully it the stand will fit my plasma.

Incidentally, the seller had four of them, and only two sold. There are a lot of extra stands out there from all of the people who wall-mounted their plasmas, so they sell cheap.

Anyone heard if a 43" monitor version is forthcoming for the 6G Elite series (a replacement for the PRO-810HD)?

Cheers! Dan
Given that this brand new reference guide... http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/277590846Elite%20Reference%20Guides%20Plasma.pdf... details the 810 along with the 930, it doesn't seem that a 6G monitor is imminent.

The 5060 is certainly at the top of my list (although I might wait and see what the 55" Hitachi's are like) and I haven't seen much traffic on this thread about 5060 owners except for those that have bought the 5061 from BB.

Just wondering if anyone has shipping confirmation or actually received a 5060 from an authorized online dealer or B&M other than BB?

The 5060 is certainly at the top of my list (although I might wait and see what the 55" Hitachi's are like) and I haven't seen much traffic on this thread about 5060 owners except for those that have bought the 5061 from BB.

Just wondering if anyone has shipping confirmation or actually received a 5060 from an authorized online dealer or B&M other than BB?


I just spoke with TVA. They are anticipating recieving the sets today. They said they would be shipping mid to end of the week.

I know thats my problem, but why cant we get a straight answer from anyone regarding when the 1130s are going to hit the retail outlets in the US.

A previous post indicated that one Canadian retailer had them. Whats up with the US? Pioneer said they had started shipping them over a week ago and still no sign? I could have walked to southern California, put one on my back and walked back hone since they said they were "shipping".

Perhaps the Pioneer people that are talking just dont know. The ones that know are probably not talking.

Waiting for my 1130.

John

FWIW... My local Tweeter (Lancaster, PA) says Oct. 1 arrival. I think we all understand about the dates that retailers like this qoute, they change like the wind. I have already prepaid for my 1130 and am like a kid waiting for Christmas morning!

"am like a kid waiting for Christmas morning! "

Perfect!

I preordered mine about 3-4 weeks ago and they made me promise not to call them up every day asking if it was in. I waited 3 weeks and called them last week. I told them I had heard that the 5060 had already reached the US retail outlets and was wondering if they had heard anything about the 1130.

He asked me where I heard that the 5060 was out and I told him I read it on an internet board. He responded by saying "you get your information from the internet?" in a very degrading tone. I almost snapped back but I figured it wasnt worth it. My father always told me never to get into a fight with someone who is not as smart as you. Good advice.

FWIW - He told me they were expecting the 1130 in mid October.

John

Don't you think it’s a little odd that such a large shipment would arrive on Saturday?
I would figure during business days, not on a weekend.

My B&M e-mailed me yesterday with an estimated date. Fri 30th.

They said it’s their best guess due to amount of time it takes for the units to usually arrive from date of release from pioneer’s warehouse in Cali.

Who knows.

I find it strange that the units "shipped" from California over a week ago and there isnt a single siting in California of an 1130.

Here is the quote directly from the email I received from Pioneer:

The first response dated 9/19:

"According to our sales group the Elite plasmas have just began to ship and
will be available at retail toward the middle of October."

The second response when I asked why they are in transit for 3 weeks within the US.

"The models are assembled in the US, but the raw materials are shipped from
Japan by boat. Once the product is assembled they are allocated across the
nation and it is hard to tell when every store will have received the
models so the store you purchased from could very easily have the product
ready before the middle of October."

You would think that somebody at Pionner would know exactly when and if the 1130s have really shipped. You would also assume that their better/bigger customers would get them first. Is it too much for them to provide this information or is it a trade secret?

The stand on my 5061 hasn't bothered me much, but given the attractive price, I just bought a black swivel stand on eBay for $10 (plus $19 in shipping). I don't need the swivel, but I agree that black would be less of a distraction than the silver. Hopefully it the stand will fit my plasma.

Incidentally, the seller had four of them, and only two sold. There are a lot of extra stands out there from all of the people who wall-mounted their plasmas, so they sell cheap.


Thanks - good point about eBay - I may check there for a wall mount for the 1130 (that is of course, if it ever arrives!).

Was the wall mount with your 5061 a Pioneer, or a generic one?

The 5060 is certainly at the top of my list (although I might wait and see what the 55" Hitachi's are like) and I haven't seen much traffic on this thread about 5060 owners except for those that have bought the 5061 from BB.

Just wondering if anyone has shipping confirmation or actually received a 5060 from an authorized online dealer or B&M other than BB?

signature,

The word I had from TVA, I should have my 5060 shipping tomorrow. I just do not know if they will be getting 5060s in all of their warehouses or not. (WA, TX, NY) There is a chance mine could end up having to come from the west coast if they do not have any on the east coast. I hope to get more info tomorrow.

Take Care,

Richard

Was the wall mount with your 5061 a Pioneer, or a generic one?It says Pioneer on the box--model number PWM-F110.

Who knows.

I find it strange that the units "shipped" from California over a week ago and there isnt a single siting in California of an 1130.



Pioneer ships the units to the furthest locations first so all arrival dates are syncronized. If they were to ship all units at the same time, California would always get them faster, by a couple of week or so.

Also transit time is actually 10+ business days and not 5 business days. They don't ship through UPS that guarantees by and of 5th BD. LoL

"If they were to ship all units at the same time, California would always get them faster"

That would be OK with me.

Does this apply to the 5060 model or just the Elite? The 5060s doent seem to be evenly distributed across the country.

Im not sure how Pioneer ships the units from California (Truck or Rail) but either way its less than 10 days for dedicated loads. I cant imagine that are shipping LTLs of plasmas cross country.

John

The wind must have changed directon, Tweeter is now telling me Oct. 7. At least I knew to expect a change... :rolleyes:

"The wind must have changed directon, Tweeter is now telling me Oct. 7"

With the price of fuel, the truck proabaly pulled over until the headwind died down.

Im hoping to watch the Charlie Brown Halloween Special on my new 1130. If not, the Charlie Brown Christmas Special is only 6 weeks later. There is always the Valentines Day Special which Im 70% sure I will have my 1130 by.

Praying for lower winds.

John

"The wind must have changed directon, Tweeter is now telling me Oct. 7"

With the price of fuel, the truck proabaly pulled over until the headwind died down.

Im hoping to watch the Charlie Brown Halloween Special on my new 1130. If not, the Charlie Brown Christmas Special is only 6 weeks later. There is always the Valentines Day Special which Im 70% sure I will have my 1130 by.

Praying for lower winds.

John


Don't forget the New Year's special in between. Slow, slow, quick quick.....

I know, I'm anxious to get our 1130 too! Bet the Charlie Brown DVDs will look great on it!

Don't forget the New Year's special in between. Slow, slow, quick quick.....

I know, I'm anxious to get our 1130 too! Bet the Charlie Brown DVDs will look great on it!

Im going to stop by my Elite dealer today on the way to softball to show some face. Ive been holding off ordering my Paradigm Signautures from him thinking it will keep me on the short list (I guess my $500 deposit should do this) for the first 1130 but maybe I will just order the speakers today and worry about the 1130 in December when it arrives.

How does this look?

27" Sony XBR (We are talking tube here circa 1988)
Integra Research 7.1
Gemstone 7 X 200 Amp
Velodyne DD12 Sub
Paradigm S4, CC3, ADP 7.1 setup

Sad....very sad.

My local B&M dealer / friend is getting 3 5060s next week. I wonder if any of you know the bolt pattern for the mounting of this set - I would like to know if anyone has a link to a .PDF that shows the rear of the set with dimensions, and also, if it happens to be the same as the 5040.

Thanks,

- Chris

My local B&M dealer / friend is getting 3 5060s next week. I wonder if any of you know the bolt pattern for the mounting of this set - I would like to know if anyone has a link to a .PDF that shows the rear of the set with dimensions, and also, if it happens to be the same as the 5040.
Look at the last pages of this guide:
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/277590846Elite%20Reference%20Guides%20Plasma.pdf

The 1130 is likely the same in dimensions as the 5060.

Peter,

Thanks for the link - just what I was looking for. The local BB has a 5061 on the floor so I think I will go and get the bolt pattern dimensions off of it as well.

- Chris

I need some advice from the Pio people. When I was searching for a tv I thought I was going to end up with a plasma. Well I ended up with a Sharp lcd 37d5u. Well I bought a Chief mount plp-2081 (still new in the box) which fits alot of Pioneer 50 inch models as well as many other brands as well. I still want to mount my lcd and I can buy a Chief adapter plate that will work with Sharp but do you think this is over kill for the Sharp? Anyone have experience with this mount? Which way should I go?

How does this look?

27" Sony XBR (We are talking tube here circa 1988)
Sad....very sad.

Yea, but you gotta love how long those Sony tubes last - we've got one from 90 that just keeps going....

Not sure how new this is but it looks like Pioneer is admittin the new 60s exist

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4123_277312046,00.html

I just had a call from Cambryn at TVA to tell me they cleared my PDP-5060HD order for shipping and it will be on the road to me first thing in the morning. The warehouse it is coming from is in NY.

It should be here around the 7th. :cool:

Richard

Not sure how new this is but it looks like Pioneer is admittin the new 60s exist

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4123_277312046,00.html

Looks pretty new; I've been checking the site daily for updates on the Elites - wonder when they will go up. They did clean up the detailed product information section, and have included more stuff from the new DVD player as well. Some nice plasma info there too.

I hope this isnt against forum guidlines but I was wondering what DVD player you are planning to use with you 5060 or 1130.

This is the only component of my new system I havent decided on.

By default I was looking at the new Elite 79 only because I figured its a good match coming from the same line. However, it looks like that is a few months off.

Any suggestions?

Perhaps to just hold me over a few months or a few months longer for HD DVD.

Thanks

John

I plan on getting a 79avi. Why? Well, I finally figured out the pretty much all upconverting dvd players (excluding the Denon 5910) are no more that "Snake Oil". Pioneer has an excellent scaler and de-interlacer in the 5060/1130 and I want to take full advantage of that. I plan on sending my panel a pure 480i signal and let it do all the work.

D-Nice,

Thanks for the response.

That was my original plan. Do you have any recommendations for a inexpensive but worthy unit that will hold me over for a month or two? Assuming my 1130 comes in the couple weeks I dont want to go without a DVD until the new Elite is available.

Thanks

John

Sony DVP-NS70H, Panasonic S77, Harman Kardon DVD22, Harman Kardon DVD31

D-Nice,

Thanks for the response.

Do you have any recommendations for a inexpensive but worthy unit ....

Thanks

JohnI'm going with the Oppo Digital - OPDV971H. Check it out
<<HERE>> (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=122)

Do you have any recommendations for a inexpensive but worthy unit that will hold me over for a month or two? Assuming my 1130 comes in the couple weeks I dont want to go without a DVD until the new Elite is available.
John,

The S&V Sept issue review of upconverting players is available online:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_id=870&page_number=1&preview=
Reviews Toshiba SD-5980, Samsung DVD-HD950, and Panasonic DVD-S77 with the Panny far ahead of the pack in the results.

I have the S77 and like it alot. I had it narrowed down to the Oppo and Panny S77, bought both and returned the Oppo. PQ was equal for both for me. Panny played a couple of +R disks that Oppo rejected, Panny has very substantial configuration flexibility and power over the Oppo (but not as user friendly as it should be). The Panny will ouput more resolutions over component than the Oppo, which only does 480i over component if I recall. The Oppo remote is awful.

On the other hand, I think Oppo may play a format or two the Panny doesn't (like DivX maybe, or something). I think it is also region free or can be made region free, while the Panny can't.

And here's the Secrets shootout table with the Panny included:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all

Just an observation at the local BB - I went in to measure the mounting holes on the new 5060(1), and went over to check out the 4360(1). 4 days after they got it, it was burned in severly with the thin black and white vertical bars on the ESPN HD channel when the programming is 4:3. Also, the ESPN bug is burned in the lower right corner. I go in today, and not only is all that obviously still there, but now the Comcast "INHD" bug is also burned in, over top of the ESPN bug. Of course the set is on OOTB settings, but you would think that it might be a little more resilient. I really don't think a CRT would have done that - It makes me a little concerned about the new Pioneers, even though I know that is a little more extreme than I would probably go, but, again, I don't think the Panasonic is this fragile (I have a 37") and have watched alot of stuff like this, and my contrast is usually at 20 out of 30.

Thought it may be relevant.

- Chris.

First off...thanks to all of you for the DVD responses. I truly appreciate it.

Second...I do not want to hijack this thread and want to keep it focused on the 6G Pionners (I too have an 1130 on order).

Ive narrowed it down to the Panasonic DVD-S77 and the Sony DVP-NS975V. I considered the Sony only because it does 480i over HDMI. After reading D-Nice's statement about relying on the excellent processing of the 5060/1130, I did some searches on the forum and came up with the Sony.

If you wouldnt mind PMing me with any responses, I would appreciate it.

Thanks again and we now return to our regularyly scheduled broadcast.


John

I plan on getting a 79avi. Why? Well, I finally figured out the pretty much all upconverting dvd players (excluding the Denon 5910) are no more that "Snake Oil". Pioneer has an excellent scaler and de-interlacer in the 5060/1130 and I want to take full advantage of that. I plan on sending my panel a pure 480i signal and let it do all the work.


Me too about the 79avi - I just didn't know what the best signal to send was. By sending 480i, do you end up with a "progressive" pic at the end, or is it still interlaced? Sorry for the stupid question. Why would you choose 480i over 720p or 1080i? I guess you're saying the Plasma will take care of the rest - just trying to understand.

Thanks.

Iamjcl -

You are sure that what you saw was burn-in and not just image retention? If it is burning in that easily that is REALLY a concern. The 5050 did not seem to burn-in at all for me. It did retain the image for awhile though.

You would think that going from the 5050 to the 5060 we would see the unit do a better job of reducing image retention / burn-in...not go backwards.

Umm... :(

Me too about the 79avi - I just didn't know what the best signal to send was. By sending 480i, do you end up with a "progressive" pic at the end, or is it still interlaced? Sorry for the stupid question. Why would you choose 480i over 720p or 1080i? I guess you're saying the Plasma will take care of the rest - just trying to understand.

Thanks.

By sending 480i to the panel, you can take full benefit of 3:3 pull-down @ 72Hz Advance Pure Cinema offers. It also is the best signal to send because it minimizes the amount of processing the video would has to go through. Choosing 720p or 1080i can cause the video to be shown with the wrong colorspace, more mosquito noise, more jagged edges, macroblocking, and additional scaling processes as the panel will still scale 720/1080 pictures to the panel's native resolution.

Iamjcl -

You are sure that what you saw was burn-in and not just image retention? If it is burning in that easily that is REALLY a concern. The 5050 did not seem to burn-in at all for me. It did retain the image for awhile though.

You would think that going from the 5050 to the 5060 we would see the unit do a better job of reducing image retention / burn-in...not go backwards.

Umm... :(

Burn-in is not likely. I have owned the 5050 for exactly 32 days. After calibrating the display for the proper contrast and brightness, my family and I have watched television and DVD movies without regard to side black bars for 4x3 content, or top and bottom black bars for widescreen movies. Understand that I watch everything in original aspect ratio because I hate stretched or distorted pictures. My son also watches ESPN for hours with the scrolling baseball scores.

I also refuse to let any new technology dectate how I use and enjoy television and movies.

Guess what. I just checked and there is zero, nada, zippo burn-in. :)

I wish folks would find something else to fret about like the price of gas, the war in Iraq, or whether Tyra Banks has real or fake tits. ;)

By sending 480i to the panel, you can take full benefit of 3:3 pull-down @ 72Hz Advance Pure Cinema offers. It also is the best signal to send because it minimizes the amount of processing the video would has to go through. Choosing 720p or 1080i can cause the video to be shown with the wrong colorspace, more mosquito noise, more jagged edges, macroblocking, and additional scaling processes as the panel will still scale 720/1080 pictures to the panel's native resolution.


Thanks - that's exactly the kind of information I was looking for. So this way, I'm not going to see any flickering like with regular interlaced inputs, right?

I can't wait to get all of these components and play......

Correct

I think they're real....

:D

They are, she had a doctor do an ultrasound on them live on her tv show.

They are, she had a doctor do an ultrasound on them live on her tv show.

In HD I would hope :D

Image retention goes away - burn-in does not. As I said, the set is toast. Thats why I went back a few days later. Not only was the ESPN still there, now there is also INHD. And I'm not talking look at an off screen, or a white field, and look closely. I'm talking easy to see on any video content.

I also don't pay much attention to worrying about burn in on my Panny or the 5050 I'm using until the 5060 gets here, but the 4360 in BB is very susceptible to it.

- Chris

Just wondering if anyone has shipping confirmation or actually received a 5060 from an authorized online dealer or B&M other than BB?


I just recieved my shipping confirmation from TVA. I should get my new 5060 the 7th!

Image retention goes away - burn-in does not. As I said, the set is toast. Thats why I went back a few days later. Not only was the ESPN still there, now there is also INHD. And I'm not talking look at an off screen, or a white field, and look closely. I'm talking easy to see on any video content.

I also don't pay much attention to worrying about burn in on my Panny or the 5050 I'm using until the 5060 gets here, but the 4360 in BB is very susceptible to it.

- Chris


Never had any burn in issues with our PDP-505HD - 3g model. Perhaps they have had the images on for many hours straight. I've seen burn in on many different industrial sets, including Panasonic. Even computer CRTs burn in eventually.

Granted, they have only had the 4360s for a short time, but who knows what content they are playing. Our BB plays many different loops, which is the smartest way to go. All plasmas are subject to it if a constant image is displayed long enough - I don't think it is just the new Pios.

T2starr,

I was wondering which TVA Warehouse your 5060 was coming from.

Take Care,

Richard

I knew they had to be real...

:D

Well I finally ordered my 5060 from TVA and it too will be arriving on the 7th or the 11th of October.

I was wondering if anybody that has one could post their setting for it, or would the settings for the "official Pioneer thread" for the 5050's be the same?

Well I finally ordered my 5060 from TVA and it too will be arriving on the 7th or the 11th of October.

I was wondering if anybody that has one could post their setting for it, or would the settings for the "official Pioneer thread" for the 5050's be the same?My settings vary slightly for different inputs, and from what I've seen I probably have the contrast higher set than most people. Here are my settings for the ANT input, for what I think looks best on HD via CableCard:


Contrast: 35
Brightness: +3
Color: -10
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
PureCinema: standard
Color Temp: low
CTI: on
DNR: mid
MPEG NR: mid

eelton,

How's the TV Guide feature? I know all previous electronics that have used it have pretty much "fumbled the ball". Did Pioneer get it right?

T2starr,

I was wondering which TVA Warehouse your 5060 was coming from.

Take Care,

Richard


they tell me Las Vegas. I 'm not sure why it would take a week, however, as I am in the San Francisco Bay area.

T2starr,

It sounds like TVA is giving everyone the same ETA. I hope they arrive ahead of schedule. ;)

Take Care,

Richard

eelton,

How's the TV Guide feature? I know all previous electronics that have used it have pretty much "fumbled the ball". Did Pioneer get it right?I can't really say. It appears my cable company blocks the guide data (I assume inadvertently), as the guide just says it's acquiring data, but remains blank.

I tried connecting a makeshift antenna to the B input for a day or two. The guide populated partially, and then stopped. When I get around to it, I'll connect it to the rooftop antenna I use for OTA HD.

T2starr,

It sounds like TVA is giving everyone the same ETA. I hope they arrive ahead of schedule. ;)

Take Care,

Richard

I hope it arrives Friday. I work 24 hours straight starting Thursday am, and will have Friday off to play with my new toy!

Dave

T2starr,

I am hoping for Friday too, since Sunday is the Big 4 - 0 for me, and I would hate for it to arrive after my B-Day.

Take Care,

Richard

Deathstalker,

Happy B-Day in advance :)

D-Nice -

I have been using the TV Guide feature and I think it works really well. I went ahead and did the auto channel scan first and then let the TV Guide load its listings overnight. Guide works great. Very responsive and has correct listings. Also, the setup only took 3 screens and they have options for digital / non-digital gateway settings. Pretty cool / intelligent.


Also, I haven't noticed in "glitches" that I have seen with the normal Cox Cable digital boxes and their built-in guide.

Also, I am happy to report that after exchanging my first 5060 that had three dead pixels I have received one that has no deadies!! Hopefully I am not jinxing myself here :)

I was also having problems with my S-Video and Component inputs showing a "rolling" bar that moved vertically from top to bottom. This is gone now that I have exchanged for another MR. Not really sure why I had the bad luck with my first Display/MR. Hopefully no new buyers will have these issues.

Further - has anybody tried calibrating their display with THX optimizer?? Hehe...don't bother you won't be able to adjust the brightness correctly. The 5050 was very easy to calibrate once I had DRE on, but with DRE off there was not way to adjust the brightness correctly on the THX test screen.

The 5060 must not have DRE on / available. If anybody knows how to turn it on via Service Menu let us know eh?

Even though DRE appears to be MIA with the 5060 I just love the black level on this thing!! The depth of the image is so much better than the 5050. After adjusting my eyes to the 5060 for about a week or so and after having the 5050 for a month I cannot / will not go back to the 5050 picture.

D-Nice -

I have been using the TV Guide feature and I think it works really well. I went ahead and did the auto channel scan first and then let the TV Guide load its listings overnight. Guide works great. Very responsive and has correct listings. Also, the setup only took 3 screens and they have options for digital / non-digital gateway settings. Pretty cool / intelligent.


Also, I haven't noticed in "glitches" that I have seen with the normal Cox Cable digital boxes and their built-in guide.

Thanks for the info.

Further - has anybody tried calibrating their display with THX optimizer?? Hehe...don't bother you won't be able to adjust the brightness correctly. The 5050 was very easy to calibrate once I had DRE on, but with DRE off there was not way to adjust the brightness correctly on the THX test screen.

The 5060 must not have DRE on / available. If anybody knows how to turn it on via Service Menu let us know eh?

Even though DRE appears to be MIA with the 5060 I just love the black level on this thing!! The depth of the image is so much better than the 5050. After adjusting my eyes to the 5060 for about a week or so and after having the 5050 for a month I cannot / will not go back to the 5050 picture.

Whoa, so you are saying you cannot get blacker than black on the 5060? Anyone else want to confirm this? This may be the final answer I need on deciding between the 5060 or 1130.

Yes you can get blacker blacks with a CRT :)

Not blacker blacks.... blacker THAN black (BTB).....you know Pluge test.

Ah yes...I think the Pluge test is on my Sound & Vision calibration disc. I don't have the full fledged AVIA disc. I will see what this test reveals.

Whoa, so you are saying you cannot get blacker than black on the 5060? Anyone else want to confirm this? This may be the final answer I need on deciding between the 5060 or 1130.I can confirm this; I noticed it when calibrating my 5061 with Video Essentials--the blacker than black stripe was barely discernable, even when raising the brightness. I therefore set the black level by determining at what point the black areas began to become lighter.

Ouch,

Thanks eelton. Well folks, I guess I'll be getting a 930 and 1130. Removing DRE is a major blow for the 60 series.

Ouch,

Thanks eelton. Well folks, I guess I'll be getting a 930 and 1130. Removing DRE is a major blow for the 60 series.
I was under the impression that the 5060 had DRE on with no control to turn it off. There was discussion about this, maybe in the first 6th gen thread that was closed when that lucky dog, Eelton, got the first unit among us. :p You might find it with a search.

That said, I think the Elites are well worth the small price differential given all the benefits.... cosmetics, swivel stand, day/night modes, individual color adjustments, more levels of color balance and noise reduction settings, more video modes, and "Active" DRE with several adjustments (dynamic contrast, black level, automatic contrast limiter, and gamma control), pc card input for photos, plus a two year warranty.

I'm particularly looking forward to the ability to finely adjust black level/contrast/gamma settings with these controls.

I was under the impression that the 5060 had DRE on with no control to turn it off.I think that was someone's conjecture, but not confirmed. I didn't connect the lack of a DRE setting with the "invisibility" of the blacker-than-black stripe until D-Nice pointed it out.

For those who have older models and who have tried DRE on and off, what am I missing? I know conceptually what it's supposed to do, but how much of a difference does it make in the image? As I recall, CNET's review of the 5050 suggested it be left off.

I think that was someone's conjecture, but not confirmed. I didn't connect the lack of a DRE setting with the "invisibility" of the blacker-than-black stripe until D-Nice pointed it out.

For those who have older models and who have tried DRE on and off, what am I missing? I know conceptually what it's supposed to do, but how much of a difference does it make in the image? As I recall, CNET's review of the 5050 suggested it be left off.
Interesting! If this is true, it represents a major difference between the core and elite lines. One way to find out if DRE is on or off in the core line is to email Pio at customer.support@pioneerservice.com.

Regarding the benefits of on or off... I recall discussion in the 2005 Pio thread. Here are a couple of posts to start with:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5776372&highlight=DRE#post5776372
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6138903&&#post6138903

I think Mooneydriver explains it best... DRE increases the dynamic range of the contrast, ie, difference between black and white. It therefore increases real or perceived contrast and deepens real or perceived black level. This is at the expense of grayscale detail.

Maybe Pio decided that the 6th gen's blacks were deep enough without DRE and got rid of it to preserve detail (total speculation).

One way to find out if DRE is on or off in the core line is to email Pio at customer.support@pioneerservice.com.I just e-mailed them. I'll let you know what they say!

I just e-mailed them. I'll let you know what they say!
I bet you get a reply tomorrow. They were very responsive to me on my 6G pre-release questions.

I've had my 4361 for 4 days now and love it. I had gotten a 4351 from Best Buy when they were running the clearance, but when they installed it, the bezel got scratched. I didn't notice it at first, but I didn't touch the monitor after it was installed, and when I was inspecting it I noticed all of these fine scratches. Anyhow, BB replaced it with the 4361 (they were out ofthe 4351).

I had had the 4351 up and running for over a week so I had time to inspect its picture quality. I definitely notice a difference in the black levels on the 4361. The black bars on 4:3 programming are much closer to the color of the bezel than on the 4351. The colors are simply phenomenal. I was watching Skrek 2 on HBO HD today and was just floored.

I'm so happy. Especially since I got it for the clearance 4351 price!

I ordered my 5061 late last week. I am hoping to be able to connect a Mac Mini to it, though only for web surfing and as a music server - I will not be looking to the mini to meet my DVR or other HT needs. I know eelton has a PC connected to the 5060 through VGA. Anyone have any experience with a Mac and a 5060/ 5050? I would have preferred to have kept it all digital (DVI to HDMI) though I gather that there may be fewer resolution issues with VGA. I know there is a Mac HTPC forum, but I could dnot get any info on Macs with Pios. Thanks for any light you can shed.

My TV Guide listings have now populated. It started working after I connected a rooftop antenna, and also went through the guide setup to specify that I had an antenna as well as cable. As I stated before, it didn't work with cable alone, as my cable company (or the cablecard) apparently blocks the information.

Some of my HD channels (HBO, Showtime, Cinemax) are missing, but maybe they'll fill in over time. The guide will also take some fine-tuning to reorganize and eliminate duplicates--for instance, NBC is listed 5 times (the other networks are also multiples), I assume reflecting cable, OTA, SD, HD, subchannels, etc.

Hi folks,

Some of you may have seen my recent post in the Panasonic 8gen/Pioneer 6gen thread, concerning the new Elite 43" model. It did not perform as well as the 50" model, for whatever reason. There was more apparent scaling/image noise.

Perhaps it's significant that the 43" model was hooked up via HDMI, whereas the 50" model was hooked up via component. Has anyone done a component vs HDMI comparison on the new model, to see if picture noise becomes more apparent via HDMI?

Also, since I'll be checking out these displays again, are there any particular settings that Pioneer owners think I should play with, in terms of evaluating picture noise?

(D-Nice suggested some setting for the Pioneer 59avi DVD player, that could perhaps impact picture noise).

Thanks.

The Elites have a PURE mode and we arent quite sure *exactly* what it does yet.

It is suspected that if you input a signal, use PURE mode, then the display will output the signal scaled to the panel size, no image enhancement/processing at all.


New "PURE" Mode for AV Selection
(PRO-1130HD/PRO-930HD)
The PRO-1130HD and PRO-930HD feature the new
"PURE" mode for AV Selection. This mode delivers pictures
without any enhancement (Gamma, Color, Tint, Sharpness,
etc), minimizing the artifacts of extra video processing.


HERE (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pio/pe/images/portal/cit_3424/277590846Elite%20Reference%20Guides%20Plasma.pdf) is a link to the Elite Details PDF which details all the features of the Elite series...

I did try the "Pure" mode on the 43" Pio (along with the other picture pre-set modes) and it, along with every other picture pre-set displayed the noise. The cinema setting, with it's muted contrast made the noise less visible, but it was still there.

It's my understanding that in 'Pure' mode, every video 'enhancement' feature of the panel is turned off, and the display only shows what it's being fed.
Bish

Has anyone done a component vs HDMI comparison on the new model, to see if picture noise becomes more apparent via HDMI?

Also, since I'll be checking out these displays again, are there any particular settings that Pioneer owners think I should play with, in terms of evaluating picture noise?Unfortunately, the HDMI output on my TiVo is defective (an extremely common problem with these units), so it's component only for me. I can say that I've compared the DirecTV HD signal via the TiVo to the HD signal on cable via cablecard (avoiding any analog connection). The cablecard image is noticeably crisper, but I'm not sure how much of that is the TiVo's analog connection and how much is DirecTV's compression. I haven't noticed other differences, i.e. with respect to noise.

As I said in the other thread, I find the NR to be helpful; mine is set on mid for HD material. I found there was a slight loss of detail on the high setting, but minimal effect on mid, while the "sparkling" effect (is that what has been called "mosquito noise?") on solid backgrounds is greatly reduced. On the other hand, that noise is only visible from an inappropriately close viewing distance, so maybe I shouldn't care. (And come to think of it, I was examining this noise only on the cablecard input, so I'll have to go back and see if the same thing is present via the HD TiVo.)

T2starr,

I just tracked my Pio, it is coming from Las Vegas too with a 10-07 delivery date.

Take Care,

Richard

It's my understanding that in 'Pure' mode, every video 'enhancement' feature of the panel is turned off, and the display only shows what it's being fed.
Bish

I thought/hope this is true.

I thought/hope this is true.
Would be perfect for using a standalone scaler or noise reducer, or both. Although, the panel's electronics would still be in use to scale the image to the panel's resolution. The only way to truly show what the panel is being fed is to use NR through the VGA input(I think, I haven't tried it).

OK,
The official Pioneer web site states: "The PRO-1130HD and PRO-930HD feature the new "PURE" mode for AV Selection. This mode delivers pictures without any enhancement (Gamma, Color, Tint, Sharpness, etc), minimizing the artifacts of extra video processing".

Hope this clears up this feature of the Elites.
Bish

Thanks Bish.:)

A few minor points:


It had been posted above that the previous Pioneers had only on/off settings for MPEG NR. That's changed on the 6th gen; there are now low/mid/high settings. I pulled out one of my few DVDs (Young Frankenstein), and I can confirm what some have said--that the MPEG NR produces some undesirable artifacts, such as clay-face and posterization, at least when on mid or high with DVDs. The low setting seems OK. Particularly for HD, though, I still think the DNR (not MPEG NR) works well on mid.

My black swivel stand came (bought for $10 on eBay--I hope saying that doesn't violate any MSRP rules :)), and I can see that it will fit my 5061--it has the appropriate slots on the bottom. I'm going to wait until a friend comes over to help me actually mount it.

My TV Guide is fully populated, including the HD channels that had been missing. It seems to work fine--I mostly just want to have the little pop-up window when tuning to a channel, showing what's on. I spent some time rearranging the grid, although I'll probably use that less (I'm a big fan of Titan TV, which lets me integrate listings for OTA, cable, and satellite).

I haven't yet received a response from Pioneer regarding my question about the presence or absence of DRE on the 5060/5061.

eelton,
Thanks for the updates.

On my 5061 the panel makes a buzzing noise when images are displayed. When the screen is on an input with no signal (completely black - no images) there is no noise.

The moment some image is displayed the panel creates a low buzz sound. This happens even with screen indicators such as menus, volume indicator, A/V input indicator, etc.

Is this normal? I have heard some interesting stories and would like to know what the members of this board think. Thanks.

Yes that is normal. All plasmas emit a buzz. Some hear it more than others due to individual hearing capabilities

On my 5061 the panel makes a buzzing noise when images are displayed. When the screen is on an input with no signal (completely black - no images) there is no noise.

The moment some image is displayed the panel creates a low buzz sound. This happens even with screen indicators such as menus, volume indicator, A/V input indicator, etc.

Is this normal? I have heard some interesting stories and would like to know what the members of this board think. Thanks.Some buzzing is inherent to all plasmas, but there can be a lot of variation from one to another, even of the same model. My 5061 makes a faint buzzing noise, which (as you have noticed) increases when the screen is driven, particularly with bright white screen elements. It's still pretty minimal, though. If you can hear it from across the room without the audio muted, that's probably louder than it should be. From your description of a "low buzz sound," though, I suspect you're plasma is just fine.

OK,
The official Pioneer web site states: "The PRO-1130HD and PRO-930HD feature the new "PURE" mode for AV Selection. This mode delivers pictures without any enhancement (Gamma, Color, Tint, Sharpness, etc), minimizing the artifacts of extra video processing".

Hope this clears up this feature of the Elites.
Bish
Though deinterlacing (when fed interlaced signal) and scaling would still be performed. I think "minimizing" is the key word. In theory, it won't eliminate them.

Eric:
Thanks for the clarification. My low buzz is most likely normal. I remember someone told me that Pioneer removed an extra layer from the plasma screen which reduces the double image effect from an angle and makes the buzz more noticeable than other brands.

Went to my Elite dealer in San Francisco today to order my Velodyne Sub and Paradigm sigs (and to check on the status of my 1130 order) and was told that they receieved their first PRO-930s today and they were immediately delivered to customers. They didnt have any units on display (just the 5g models) so I didnt actually see one.

At least the Elites are showing up.

I didnt order my speakers but thats will be the subject of a post in another section.

My 5061 also buzzes. It seems a bit more higher pitched than the buzz on the 5051. I find the higher pitch to be a little less annoying.

Every plasma that I have been around in a non-store setting exhibits a buzz. The Fujitsu plasmas that they use where I work sound almost as loud as a neon sign ;) ok..ok...maybe not quite that loud :)

Nobody responded to the 5060 vs Mac mini question yet? I cannot believe all these people (of otherwise good taste in electronics) are PC users! :p I did hook up my 15" Powerbook to my 5050 once or twice using a DVI-to-VGA connector (and through the front panel VGA PC port of the Media Receiver). The picture was fine, although I never managed the Powerbook video card to negotiate 1366x768. I ended up with 1280x768, that is, with narrow black bars on the sides.

Interestingly, my Powerbook synchs up at 1366x768 OK with the 50" NEC plasma in our conference room at work.

This was with OS X 10.3.9; I have not tried it with 10.4.2. It is possible that Tiger will synch up properly; worth a try.

I also used the Powerbook successfully to download HD video via Firewire 400 from my Motorola 6412 DVR (and to play back HD video through the Pioneer's FW (aka iLink) input).

On my 5061 the panel makes a buzzing noise when images are displayed. When the screen is on an input with no signal (completely black - no images) there is no noise.

The moment some image is displayed the panel creates a low buzz sound. This happens even with screen indicators such as menus, volume indicator, A/V input indicator, etc.

Is this normal? I have heard some interesting stories and would like to know what the members of this board think. Thanks.
While it is "normal" for plasmas to buzz, this out of the ordinary buzz issue existed with the 5050 and 1120 for those of us who were unfortunate enough to have ears sensitive to it (you'll find a pretty large thread if you search). However, Pioneer did develop a firmware fix for it. It has been easier for some to get the fix performed than it has been for others. I'm sure the buzz is normal and for most it either can't be heard or isn't annoying enough be a big deal. For me, and others, it was really annoying. I can say that I have been much happier now that the firmware update was applied and I don't hear it anymore.

Nobody responded to the 5060 vs Mac mini question yet? I cannot believe all these people (of otherwise good taste in electronics) are PC users! :p I did hook up my 15" Powerbook to my 5050 once or twice using a DVI-to-VGA connector (and through the front panel VGA PC port of the Media Receiver). The picture was fine, although I never managed the Powerbook video card to negotiate 1366x768. I ended up with 1280x768, that is, with narrow black bars on the sides.

Interestingly, my Powerbook synchs up at 1366x768 OK with the 50" NEC plasma in our conference room at work.

This was with OS X 10.3.9; I have not tried it with 10.4.2. It is possible that Tiger will synch up properly; worth a try.

I also used the Powerbook successfully to download HD video via Firewire 400 from my Motorola 6412 DVR (and to play back HD video through the Pioneer's FW (aka iLink) input).

Thanks for the bump - I posted the original query. ;) So, I take it you stepped down to VGA on the 5050 because the DVI to HDMI wouldn't work? I know that going all digital is fraught with difficulty, but potentially it could deliver a perfect result, no? I'd really like to avoid the black bars on the side...

I recently purchased a Pioneer 5061 -- my first plasma. I have Comcast cable box which is currently connected with the provided component cables directly to the Media Center. My DVD--Sony N70--is also connected directly to the MR.

While I am very impressed with the picture quality of both HD television and DVD I am really disappointed in the quality of the SD (480i) picture. The SD color appears washed out and the overall picture quality poor. Switching between the SD and HD cable channels with the same content is like night and day.

I have tried various settings and to date nothing seems to improve the SD picture. I would appreciate any suggestions or advice of how to improve the quality of the SD picture.

how about an external scaler? It will definitely improve your picture.

I recently purchased a Pioneer 5061 -- my first plasma. I have Comcast cable box which is currently connected with the provided component cables directly to the Media Center. My DVD--Sony N70--is also connected directly to the MR.

While I am very impressed with the picture quality of both HD television and DVD I am really disappointed in the quality of the SD (480i) picture. The SD color appears washed out and the overall picture quality poor. Switching between the SD and HD cable channels with the same content is like night and day.

I have tried various settings and to date nothing seems to improve the SD picture. I would appreciate any suggestions or advice of how to improve the quality of the SD picture.

You might want to try HDMI connection from the box. I have also read other posts describing improved SD quality by bypassing the cable box with your coaxial cable and use that input for SD viewing.

Thanks for the bump - I posted the original query. ;) So, I take it you stepped down to VGA on the 5050 because the DVI to HDMI wouldn't work? I know that going all digital is fraught with difficulty, but potentially it could deliver a perfect result, no? I'd really like to avoid the black bars on the side...
Actually, I never tried the DVI-to-HDMI route. I'll try sometime this weekend and let you know.

My PRO930HD was delivered yesterday, so yes they are arriving...now I just need to make time to set this up.

My PRO930HD was delivered yesterday, so yes they are arriving...

Yeeayyyy!!! :D

big B&M or smaller local shop?

Just got back from an Elite dealer (Palo Alto Ca). Not the same one as yesterday and they had a 930 in the back getting ready to be delivered to a customer.

He told me they 1130s are shipping next week and they are going to receive 7. All of them are sold on preorders.

My PRO930HD was delivered yesterday, so yes they are arriving...now I just need to make time to set this up.


Good for you - let us know what you think!

The new Elite specs are up on the pioneer website, this is good news... Means that they are now officially on their way to consumers.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4125_277940811,00.html

The wait is almost over.
:)

and so it begins..... the endgame....

(I never realized how dramatic a plasma launch can be ;))

The new Elite specs are up on the pioneer website, this is good news... Means that they are now officially on their way to consumers.

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4125_277940811,00.html

The wait is almost over.
:)


Anybody concerned about the MSRPs for the Elites listed on the Pioneer website? Thought they were quite a bit more than was mentioned in the press release.

Anybody concerned about the MSRPs for the Elites listed on the Pioneer website? Thought they were quite a bit more than was mentioned in the press release.How bout this:

PDP-5060HD
50" Pioneer WXGA High Definition Plasma Television
M.S.R.P. $9,500.00

At least they kept the $500 difference between the 5060 and the 1130! :D

They didn't actually state MSRP in the press releases did they? I thought they were "estimated selling prices" or some such?


ron

It was a bit misleading. Perhaps intentional.

The press release did use estimated street price or something like that to describe the price.

The price that all the retailers are quoting for 1130 is the price from the press release. I received a quote from 2 Elite dealers so I dont think we will see much of a discount initially from the estimated street price.

Elite PR (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/press/release/detail/0,,2076_4313_273305568,00.html)
Non-Elite PR (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/press/release/detail/0,,2076_4313_273305565,00.html)

OK - I guess I feel better. I nearly fell over when I saw that MSRP! Estimated market price - interesting terminology.

Yeeayyyy!!! :D

big B&M or smaller local shop?
small shop...

Wanted to let everyone know that has been wondering about when the 1130's will ship, well my 1130 arrived today. And the price was the "estimated market price" that was in the press release.

gr

I'm sorry, I had to tell the world, and I knew y'all would appreciate it. I just ordered a PDP-5060HD from tvauthority. It's my first HDTV. I'm so excited I could just die!

I will share my neophyte experiences with everyone when it arrives in a couple days.

Thanks for all your posts!

:D

Wanted to let everyone know that has been wondering about when the 1130's will ship, well my 1130 arrived today. And the price was the "estimated market price" that was in the press release.

gr


Post a picture in action.

Thanks.

Wanted to let everyone know that has been wondering about when the 1130's will ship, well my 1130 arrived today. And the price was the "estimated market price" that was in the press release.

gr

location? (state is fine if you dont want to be specific)

did you buy from small or large shop?

small shop...

Thanks! that goes along with the idea that smaller shops get stock before warehouse type dealers (tweeter, magnolia, etc.)

Wanted to let everyone know that has been wondering about when the 1130's will ship, well my 1130 arrived today. And the price was the "estimated market price" that was in the press release.

gr

Looney:

Congratulations! You are now the envy of many with the new set in your possession.

Any chance you can post the dimensions of the 1130 without the side speakers attached? I'm going through a remodel right now and haven't found those dimensions anywhere so that I can put it in just the right spot in the new room.

Thanks! and happy viewing!!!

dial911

Believe it or not I don't own a digital camera yet! I'll see if the dealer can take a few shots and email them to me.

I live in Oklahoma City and purchased from a small shop that specializes in home theater.

I won't have the 1130 at home until Saturday morning but I will also ask the dealer if they can measure the panel without speakers and send dimensions with pics.

Now I have a question that may have a simple answer but I can't seem to figure it out. How do you guy's get multiple quotes in your replys?

gr

Believe it or not I don't own a digital camera yet! I'll see if the dealer can take a few shots and email them to me.

I live in Oklahoma City and purchased from a small shop that specializes in home theater.

I won't have the 1130 at home until Saturday morning but I will also ask the dealer if they can measure the panel without speakers and send dimensions with pics.

Thanks! Yet another confirmation that small shops always get product in quicker since there is no warehouse on the retailers end.


Now I have a question that may have a simple answer but I can't seem to figure it out. How do you guy's get multiple quotes in your replys?

gr

type [*quote=name] text... [/*quote] (with no asterisks), and you will get this...
text....

type [*quote=name] text... [/*quote] (with no asterisks), and you will get this... Thanks for the info. I could do the one quote reply with the quote button (ie this reply) then the quote buttons disappeared on the replys. So it's manual input on multiple quotes! :D

I live in Tallahassee, Florida, and am having an installer place the 1130 above my fireplace with all in wall cabling. He said the TV will be here next week and will install the following Tuesday.

I would like to post pictures. How do you do that?

Looney:

Congratulations! You are now the envy of many with the new set in your possession.

Any chance you can post the dimensions of the 1130 without the side speakers attached? I'm going through a remodel right now and haven't found those dimensions anywhere so that I can put it in just the right spot in the new room.

Thanks! and happy viewing!!!

dial911

My understanding is that Pioneer sets dimensions without speakers. From memory the 1130 is 48" wide and 28" high. Verify on the Pioneer website. Enjoy

Looney:

Congratulations! You are now the envy of many with the new set in your possession.

Any chance you can post the dimensions of the 1130 without the side speakers attached? I'm going through a remodel right now and haven't found those dimensions anywhere so that I can put it in just the right spot in the new room.

Thanks! and happy viewing!!!

dial911


Yes, definitely congrats. Go to this link (you may have to register with your email address):

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/ci/codes/0,,2076_262707270,00.html

Then click on 6th Generation Elite Plasma Reference Guides under Plasma Displays. That PDF file will contain dimensions for speakers and no speakers of the sets.

Hope that helps, and congrats again.

Here's two pictures of the 1130 in the shop's setup room. They aren't the best in the world but that's all I got to work with. Also received the dimensions of 48 1/4" x 28 1/4" x 3 5/8" for the 1130 w/o speakers.

Here's two pictures of the 1130 in the shop's setup room. They aren't the best in the world but that's all I got to work with. Also received the dimensions of 48 1/4" x 28 1/4" x 3 5/8" for the 1130 w/o speakers.


Nice pics - thanks for sharing. I know I'm splitting hairs on the width, but the PDF says 48 7/32" without the speakers :) - just my anal nature!

As if 1/32" would be a deal breaker ;)

Nice pics - thanks for sharing. I know I'm splitting hairs on the width, but the PDF says 48 7/32" without the speakers :) - just my anal nature!

As if 1/32" would be a deal breaker ;)

Hey, I can be anal too! But when's the last time you owned a 16' tape measure that's graduated in 32's ? :D

My 1130 will be at my house tomorrow. Hopefully installed on Saturday. medium sized shop in SoCal. and mine was based on the suggest price from the press release...

Hey, I can be anal too! But when's the last time you owned a 16' tape measure that's graduated in 32's ? :D


LOL - good point. I wonder if there would be a market for those?

Here's two pictures of the 1130 in the shop's setup room. They aren't the best in the world but that's all I got to work with. Also received the dimensions of 48 1/4" x 28 1/4" x 3 5/8" for the 1130 w/o speakers.

Nice Pics!!

Tomorrow is the 7th, so I get to harass the Tweeter guys again! They told me the 7th, dammit! :D

My 5060 will arrive tomorrow, just talked to trucking company, ordered it tuesday from monitoroutlet, that's pretty speedy delivery I think :)
I laso would like to share an interesting experience with the folks here, Since I was expecting the TV I starting preparing for it by ordering some accessories IE: wallmount, cables DVD players etc...
Well I got a lead from this forum (of course) to order cables from monoprice, and it was an amazing expereince. Well last night around 4:00PM PST, I ordered 2 HDMI cables, 2 optical cables and 1 component set, and a BNC cable for my PC, besides the amazing prices they have on all the gold plated end cables (without mentioning the prices let's just say they all cost me less then one component set from BB or CC including shipping and tax) , they had an option in the shipping called california overnight which is only a couple of dollars more then regular shipping approx $7 as compare to $5 on all these goodies and this option is available for 3 states I think it's AZ CA an NV,I live in Hollywood CA, ok now remember that was last night around 4:00pm, guess what I was leaving to work this morning 9:00AM, and I live in an appartment building, I opened the door to leave and I found a package at the door, WOW!!!! I couldn't beleive my eyes, I wasn't too thrilled about the idea that they just left it there, but daaaaam that was quick.

Tweeter is getting a call from me as well. I was told the 7th. Of course, I was told the 1st also... :)

Here's two pictures of the 1130 in the shop's setup room. They aren't the best in the world but that's all I got to work with. Also received the dimensions of 48 1/4" x 28 1/4" x 3 5/8" for the 1130 w/o speakers.

Hey Looney; I'm also in OKC and am curious what shop???? I'm working with Audio Midwest in Edmond on my new plasma setup; leaning to the Pio!!! thanks

Theyre dropping from the sky!

Just bought my 1130 and its getting delivered on Saturday.

I had one on order ($500 deposit) for almost 4 weeks from a small shop but they didnt seem too interested in my business. They offered me an insulting price for my speakers/sub and just didnt seem too interested in selling me an 1130.

So today I called a local Magnolia HiFi and sure enough they had one that was just delivered. I bought it and its going to be here Saturday. The price was the press release price.

Any SF Bay Area people looking for 1130s, the Magnolia HiFi in Palo Alto had several in stock. Im guessing the rest of them in the area all received a few.

John

Hey Looney; I'm also in OKC and am curious what shop???? I'm working with Audio Midwest in Edmond on my new plasma setup; leaning to the Pio!!! thanks

The name of the company is Select Systems.

Just got off the phone with the local shop here and mine will be delivered Saturday also. I guess they are officially here and we'll have lots of busy Pio owners on Saturday.

So anbody have any real information about the DRE on the 5060 vs the 1130 ?

I am currently using a 5050 while waiting for 5060, and I have the DRE turned "off" on mine, as it is very similar to the Panasonic "floating black level" issue, but seems a little better on the side effects. Someone mentioned they had trouble setting black level with it "off" - I had the opposite experience: "ON" = black levels that fluctuate with APL (it actually provides a slight perceived contrast boost, as the Pannys do in "standard" and "vivid" mode).

The 5061 in BB has no "DRE" in the menu - so, is it "ON" and you can't turn it "OFF", or does it not have it at all ?? (Hope its the latter...)
I assume the 1130 must be like the "old" 5050, and let you turn it "on" or "off"?

- Chris

Just took delivery of a Peerless PSWT PION50 (http://www.peerlessindustries.com/profile.cfm?ut=I&id=PSWT&sg=FPSS) wall mount for use with my 1130...

very well made mount, imo.

Just an FYI also, i ordered from Racksandstands.com, ordered at 12noon on 10/3 and the box was at my door @ 4pm today 10/6. not bad for free shipping.

So anbody have any real information about the DRE on the 5060 vs the 1130 ?

I am currently using a 5050 while waiting for 5060, and I have the DRE turned "off" on mine, as it is very similar to the Panasonic "floating black level" issue, but seems a little better on the side effects. Someone mentioned they had trouble setting black level with it "off" - I had the opposite experience: "ON" = black levels that fluctuate with APL (it actually provides a slight perceived contrast boost, as the Pannys do in "standard" and "vivid" mode).

The 5061 in BB has no "DRE" in the menu - so, is it "ON" and you can't turn it "OFF", or does it not have it at all ?? (Hope its the latter...)
I assume the 1130 must be like the "old" 5050, and let you turn it "on" or "off"?

- Chris
Eelton emailed Pio with that question a few days ago. Haven't seen a post that indicated a response.

Hey Eelton......... Hear anything yet?

Just took delivery of a Peerless PSWT PION50 wall mount for use with my 1130

This is my first Plasma. Does any wall mount for 50" Plasmas work or do I have to look for something particular? Does Pioneer sell one specifically for this Plasma? :confused:

So anbody have any real information about the DRE on the 5060 vs the 1130 ?...The 5061 in BB has no "DRE" in the menu - so, is it "ON" and you can't turn it "OFF", or does it not have it at all ?? (Hope its the latter...)
I assume the 1130 must be like the "old" 5050, and let you turn it "on" or "off"?

- ChrisI e-mailed Pioneer about this on Monday, but have not received a reply.

wondering if the picture for analog and regular digital picture is better on the 1130 than the 1120? did they make any changes?

maldical,

The people that make the mount will tell you if you need an adaptor plate or not. I have the Omni UCL Mount for my 5060 which is SUPPOSED to arrive today. As of right now, it looks like the mount will arrive but not the Pio. :(

Take Care,

Richard

maldical,

The people that make the mount will tell you if you need an adaptor plate or not. I have the Omni UCL Mount for my 5060 which is SUPPOSED to arrive today. As of right now, it looks like the mount will arrive but not the Pio.

Thanks. I just went ahead and ordered a Peerless from an internet vendor along with a StudioTech cabinet. I should get both by next week while the TV will be here tomorrow. Doesn't really matter since the room it's going in is getting new carpet next week also. I also plan on next Saturday getting both my TVs ISF calibrated. The ISF tech said he needs to purchase software from Pioneer first for the calibration. My Mits 65" CRT will be easier and he said he can make that one ten times better. This project is about two months old and the end is near!

This is my first Plasma. Does any wall mount for 50" Plasmas work or do I have to look for something particular? Does Pioneer sell one specifically for this Plasma? :confused:


There was confirmation at CEDIA (by a member here) that Pioneer directly stated the mounting scheme of the new panels was not changed from the previous generation.

If you find a mount for the 5050 or 1120, it will be compatible with the new models too.

My peerless was drop shipped from a warehouse in IL so you may get yours faster than I did!

I should get both by next week while the TV will be here tomorrow. I also plan on next Saturday getting both my TVs ISF calibrated.

You might consider postponing the ISF calibration for a little while. I've heard that it's best to wait until the TV is broken in (100 hours at least) before calibrating.

BTW, I'm expecting my 5060 today!

Well I just got the word, Cambryn at TVA was able to get an ok, so that the Pio will be delivered today vs Monday. TVA has a driver just to bring the Pio from Tampa to Naples (about 150 miles) so that it will arrive before my Birthday on Sunday.

They sure are great, going the extra mile, literally, so that a customer will be made happy.

Thank You TVA,

Richard

Well I just got the word, Cambryn at TVA was able to get an ok, so that the Pio will be delivered today vs Monday. TVA has a driver just to bring the Pio from Tampa to Naples (about 150 miles) so that it will arrive before my Birthday on Sunday.

They sure are great, going the extra mile, literally, so that a customer will be made happy.

Thank You TVA,

Richard

Funny, my birthday is also on Sunday. And I am getting my 5060 today - Seko just rang to confirm delivery. Now if someone would just give me some help on HOOKING UP MY MINI... :D

JD

jjdnyc,

Dean over at SEKO gave me your shipping (tracking) number first before he mentioned mine. I was wondering who the other shipping number was for.

Guess now I know, congratz. :cool:

Richard

jjdnyc,

Dean over at SEKO gave me your shipping (tracking) number first before he mentioned mine. I was wondering who the other shipping number was for.

Guess now I know, congratz. :cool:

Richard

Happy Birthday to your guys, and congrats on the new Elites. We look forward to your reviews once you get them installed. :D

Eelton emailed Pio with that question a few days ago. Haven't seen a post that indicated a response.

Hey Eelton......... Hear anything yet?I finally received a reply regarding DRE on the 5060, sort of:

Thanks for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.

Based on your e-mail request, we feel that we can be of better assistance if you contact our Product Support line.

Please contact us at (800)421-1404 for further assistance. I haven't called yet.

I have a couple mounts I bought before I bought the tv's. I was going with plasma but ended up with a couple Sharps 37 inch lcd's. I have a Omnimount UCL with a UM1 adapter plate and will fit any plasma. Also a Chief PLP-2081 that fits the new Elites plus the 5060 plus any 50 inch Pio plus Runcos and hitachis from the cross refrence list on chiefmfg.com I wish I would have waited till everything shook out but now I'm kinda stuck with these. Installer told me that the Omnimount is compatible but he didn't want to do it and told me to get an adapter plate that fits the d5u exactly. Called Omni and told me that the UM1 will work and only option I have. Anybody using this UCL with UM1 on a Sharp? Should I Ebay these and start over? Suggestions please.

Ok, Ok, Ok,

Everything I have said about TVA and Cambryn, I take it ALL back!

All this time She and the the rest of TVA have been conspiring with my wife. As it turns out, they have delated the arrival of my 5060 until next week so they my wife could surprise me with a trip to Vegas for the weekend.

Cambryn even had the manager of SEKO in on the deal.

Do not ever trust them! :eek:

Richard

P.S. Thank you to all. ;)

You might consider postponing the ISF calibration for a little while. I've heard that it's best to wait until the TV is broken in (100 hours at least) before calibrating.

I guess I can postpone it a couple weeks. Thanks for the advice.

All this time She and the the rest of TVA have been conspiring with my wife. As it turns out, they have delated the arrival of my 5060 until next week so they my wife could surprise me with a trip to Vegas for the weekend.

Cambryn even had the manager of SEKO in on the deal

That's funny. SURPRISE!

I finally received a reply regarding DRE on the 5060, sort of:

I haven't called yet.

I went ahead and called. He checked and said there was a DRE setting on the xx60. I said that was counter to what people on AVS that received these units were reporting. He went and checked some more, looked at his trade show literature and manual, came back and said that I was correct, there is not setting and that it is permenantly enabled. He also said it was the new Active DRE, that is supposed to adjust automatically based on the material displayed (same as the Elites, but without the ability to control it).

From his report, it sounds like there may be something in the manual about DRE. Wanna check?

I went ahead and called. He checked and said there was a DRE setting on the xx60. I said that was counter to what people on AVS that received these units were reporting. He went and checked some more, looked at his trade show literature and manual, came back and said that I was correct, there is not setting and that it is permenantly enabled. He also said it was the new Active DRE, that is supposed to adjust automatically based on the material displayed (same as the Elites, but without the ability to control it).

From his report, it sounds like there may be something in the manual about DRE. Wanna check?Peter, thanks for calling. I haven't noticed anything in the manual, and in fact I just searched the PDF version (available on this page (http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/manual/0,,2076_4279,00.html), after you register) and there's no mention of "DRE" or "dynamic range."

I went ahead and called. He checked and said there was a DRE setting on the xx60. I said that was counter to what people on AVS that received these units were reporting. He went and checked some more, looked at his trade show literature and manual, came back and said that I was correct, there is not setting and that it is permenantly enabled. He also said it was the new Active DRE, that is supposed to adjust automatically based on the material displayed (same as the Elites, but without the ability to control it).

From his report, it sounds like there may be something in the manual about DRE. Wanna check?


Assuming that the DRE is permanently enabled, what is the real world effect of this? This is a model I am seriously considering. I don't understand the concept of DRE. Can anybody explain or just tell me what the real world impact is? Thanks.

Assuming that the DRE is permanently enabled, what is the real world effect of this? This is a model I am seriously considering. I don't understand the concept of DRE. Can anybody explain or just tell me what the real world impact is? Thanks.

Most here agree that it has a positive effect on picture quality. Others feel as if it doesn't need to be on as they see it as a "gimmick". This DRE issue is the only thing keeping me from placing an order. I don't know if I should get the elite or 60 series. If it really is active on the 60 series I'll place my order today. I wish I knew an engineer @ Pioneer.

Here's two pictures of the 1130 in the shop's setup room. They aren't the best in the world but that's all I got to work with. Also received the dimensions of 48 1/4" x 28 1/4" x 3 5/8" for the 1130 w/o speakers.


What shop is that? Looks like an office. A little strange for them to setup by the cubicles instead of a show floor or something of that nature.

Most here agree that it has a positive effect on picture quality. Others feel as if it doesn't need to be on as they see it as a "gimmick". This DRE issue is the only thing keeping me from placing an order. I don't know if I should get the elite or 60 series. If it really is active on the 60 series I'll place my order today. I wish I knew an engineer @ Pioneer.
Get the Elite! The ability to callibrate to the extent the 930/1130 allows is quite a bit of peace of mind and insurance. If we start seeing something like green push, fluctuating blacks, etc., the Elite owners will be able to do more about it (not that I expect any of that sort of thing, heah?). It would remove the DRE from concern.

Not to mention the 2 year warranty, swivel base that weighs 97 pounds, and bragging rights. :cool:

Assuming that the DRE is permanently enabled, what is the real world effect of this? This is a model I am seriously considering. I don't understand the concept of DRE. Can anybody explain or just tell me what the real world impact is? Thanks.

Here is one of Pio's explanations:

Emphasizes the contrast between dark and bright images, so that (for example) sunlight falling through trees looks brighter and edges of human faces become more distinct. Emphasizes dark areas for greater distinction from bright areas. Automatically compensates to create the optimum contrast characteristics.

The Elite offers extensive control over its function, but the names of the controls also give you an idea of what Active DRE deals with:

Active DRE (PRO-1130HD/PRO-930HD)
PureDrive™ II provides yet another benefit — the Active DRE
(Dynamic Range Expander ). This new technology offers wider
picture control options than the previous version (which only
offers High, Mid, Low, and Off).

Parameter Function Control Options:

Dynamic Contrast - High/Mid/Low/Off
Black Level - On/Off
Automatic Contrast Limiter - On/Off
Gamma Control Controls gradation characteristics - 1/2/3

I'm new to the forum and must say I've gained a huge amount of knowledge about HDTVs, etc in a short time. Thanks to all.

The 4360 and 5060 have different pixel counts and I've read that the 50" has square pixels and the 43" rectangular. How does this affect the different stretch modes, i.e. is one size better than the other for watching 4:3 SD broadcasts in the 16:9 format? Are there other differences in potential PQ between the sets based on the different pixel layouts?

Thanks,
Steve

I got my 5060 today at 5pm PST. I had to twist Seko's arm to get them to deliver it today rather than Monday. This is my first plasma purchase and I am just speechless. Fortunately, I can still type and will give you my first impressions.

First of all, I purchased the 5060 from TVA. I would not hesitate to use them again. The plasma came double boxed, which was good, as there was a small shallow indention on one side of the box.

My first thought after removing the packing materal was that this is one beautiful plasma. The dark black, thin bezel is so much more attractive than the silver that is used in many of the competing displays.

Unfortunately, my second thought was what an ugly stand. I will eventually be hanging this plasma, but for the next few weeks this will be on the floor in my living room until the family room renovation is finished. The directions to mount the TV on the stand were somewhat retarded as well. You have to lay the plasma on its screen and then place two mounting screws on the back that you slide the stand onto. The problem is that the front of the stand juts out 6-7 inches in from of the screen and so they reccomend you placing it facedown on a table. I placed the mounting screws and then lifted the plasma on to the screws. Much simpler and less chance of something going wrong in my opinion.

Getting to the good stuff...the picture is phenomenal. I don't have the discerning eye that many in these forums have, but I know a beautiful picture when I see it. My first viewing experience was with my 5 year old daughter and as a result shrek 2 was the featured movie. Out of the box the colors are great. Blacks appear black enough for me and I have not noticed any artifacts.

Thank you all for the advice and guidance injected into these forums.

My 5060 just got delivered today, and I also ran out and picked up the Denon 3910 I ordered 2 weeks ago. After 13 years with a 27" tube, I'm pretty excited. I won't have time to play until tomorrow evening (helping a friend), but when I do get to open it, I'm probably not going to fiddle...just hook up the DVD and hit "play". I know I should turn down the contrast, and use a stretch mode to fill the screen, but can someone feed me some quick and dirty picture settings just to get me started. I'll calibrate it later...but tomorrow night I probably will want to watch it more than I will want to fiddle with it and certainly more than I will want to search the forums.

Just turn down the contrast and pick a picture mode that you like best. I think I actually watch my 5050 on vivid. You may also just want to turn the color down a hair. But it will look fabulous out of the box.

T2starr and RKA--congratulations and welcome to the club.

As for "quick and dirty" settings, for the cable input I'm using contrast 35, brightness +4, color -10, tint 0, sharpness 0, color temp low, DNR mid, and MPEG NR low.

Well, I got my 5060 at noon yesterday , so I was able to play with it last night, I also picked up a Toshiba SD4980, just so I can try out the HDMI stuf, I know it's not the best player, but I picked it up at a local BB, so I can return it.
The Picture OOTB is phenominal, I turned everything down for break-in period and it still a pleasure to watch.
I have a question, about HDMI, I can't get the sound to come out of the TV with the DVD connected thru HDMI, not a big problem cause I have a reveiver, but I was thinking to use the optical out from the media box to my receiver, and see if it passes thru surround sound, this way I can have multiple (2) HDMI input (cable, DVD for example ) and use the optical out to the receiver, any thought s on this?

For those asking about DRE, I think a plain explanation is that the set has a limited dynamic range, and the DRE "shifts" the zone of "interest" up or down, depending on APL. For example, in very bright scenes, the "slider" is bumped up, so that the sets fixed dynamic range is focusing and available on the "bright" portion of the grayscale, and if the image is closer to dark, or the lower end of the grayscale, more of the dynamic range is allocated there.

In audio terms, you could think of it in terms of an older DBX noise reduction circuit (or to a point, dolby B or C). A loud passage comes, and triggers the "dynamic range expander", turning up the level momentarily for the transient, and then lowering it again after, so as not to also increase the level of the noise, or quiet sections.

Hope this makes sense, but when used in moderation, and well-implemented, it should be a benign process, though one I am sure you could detect the presence of.

The latest Panasonics have this "feature" as well, but its not documented, nor can you turn it off, unless you select "cinema" mode. Check the DC Restoration thread. Basically, there is no possible way you can hold an absolute black level if you are sliding the range which is "under process" around (low IRE to High). This can be seen on the Panasonic as a wavering absolute black level over varying APL conditions. Its hard to see, and only those looking for it will see it.

DRE on the Pioneer may be a little more advanced (a guess) but I believe it is a similar circuit.

These are my observations, and may not be accurate, but I'm pretty sure they are. In any event, it would be nice if Pioneer gave you the option of turning it "off" if you didn't like it, like the older 5050 did.

I wouldn't mind the few extra dollars on the 1130, but I don't like the gold lettering, dual logos (Pioneer and "elite") and the omission of the thin silver strips on the side. All window dressing, I know, but I feel it looks a little less obtrusive and complements other "tech" components a little better.

My .02

- Chris

Excellent explaination Iamjcl.

These are my observations, and may not be accurate, but I'm pretty sure they are.




- Chris

Well IMO I couldn't disagree with you more. First of all I follow this subject very close because I lived with it for three months with alot of stress. I'm gratefull that I got it resolved and feel loyalty not to get to indepth about it because I feel that I was taken care of by a company that stands behind the product.
But when I read posts that I disagree with its hard for me not to respond. In your evaluation then every display would have the problem "feature" and this is flatly not true. And I do know the area where the problem is and I won't get into it. From my experience I can tell you IMO that your looking up the wrong tree.

... Ah, maybe I am indeed wrong, but what did you say exactly ??

- Chris

... Ah, maybe I am indeed wrong, but what did you say exactly ??

- Chris
Hi Chris
I said I won't get into it out of gratefulness, but I'm just telling you when you lump everything into one pile when you are saying every model has this "feature" when you know all of them don' t do this. I've seen identical models do it and some that did not. You have to look elsewhere. Make sense?

Well, my 5060 arrived last night at 7:15pm, after being given a delivery window of 12-5. :rolleyes: Seko delivery, through TVA. But all is forgiven-- the set arrived in perfect shape and my initial impressions are very positive.

Didn't mean to leave you all hanging like that....

This is my first plasma, replacing a Samsung DLP, so I might not be too helpful to the more experienced users in this forum. But I'm very pleased with the initial picture quality. HD looks spectacular-- a richer, deeper sensation than with the DLP. And SD is acceptable, unobtrusive and smoother than I've been used to. Just starting to play around with the advanced settings. "CTI" (Color Transient Improvement) seems to add sharpness without extra noise, so I've got it enabled. DNR is set to low. Haven't hooked up DVD or Laserdisc yet.

Will try to post a pic of my new setup:

Pio 5060, with elite stand from 5th Generation.
Yamaha YSP-1
Toshiba 5960 DVD (crap)
Pioneer Elite CLD-59 LD player
Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD-DVR (hidden on bottom)

Will try to post a pic of my new setup:

Pio 5060, with elite stand from 5th Generation.
Yamaha YSP-1
Toshiba 5960 DVD (crap)
Pioneer Elite CLD-59 LD player
Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD-DVR (hidden on bottom)

Very slick setup. That console really works well with the all black look of the Pio and Elite stand.

Very slick setup. That console really works well with the all black look of the Pio and Elite stand.

Thanks-- that's the BDI Icon 9425.

Where did you find the Elite Stand? Looking for a black stand to go with my 5060 but not sure which ones will work. Thanks

Didn't mean to leave you all hanging like that....

This is my first plasma, replacing a Samsung DLP, so I might not be too helpful to the more experienced users in this forum. But I'm very pleased with the initial picture quality. HD looks spectacular-- a richer, deeper sensation than with the DLP. And SD is acceptable, unobtrusive and smoother than I've been used to. Just starting to play around with the advanced settings. "CTI" (Color Transient Improvement) seems to add sharpness without extra noise, so I've got it enabled. DNR is set to low. Haven't hooked up DVD or Laserdisc yet.

Will try to post a pic of my new setup:

Pio 5060, with elite stand from 5th Generation.
Yamaha YSP-1
Toshiba 5960 DVD (crap)
Pioneer Elite CLD-59 LD player
Scientific Atlanta 8300 HD-DVR (hidden on bottom)

I bet Ebay. Excellent picture. Damn, you guys are really tempting me to pick up the phone and place an order today. I didn't think BDI made all black stands. Where did you find that one?

I bet Ebay. Excellent picture. Damn, you guys are really tempting me to pick up the phone and place an order today. I didn't think BDI made all black stands. Where did you find that one?

That's right-- e-bay for the elite stand-- model PDK-1012. Even a silver swivel version (i think model TS-05) would be a step up from the supplied stand. Very affordable. I think all 5th Generation stands are compatible with the new models.

BDI started making black versions of the Icon line several months ago. You can still get them in silver, too. Check out bdi's website.

I'm new to the forum and must say I've gained a huge amount of knowledge about HDTVs, etc in a short time. Thanks to all.

The 4360 and 5060 have different pixel counts and I've read that the 50" has square pixels and the 43" rectangular. How does this affect the different stretch modes, i.e. is one size better than the other for watching 4:3 SD broadcasts in the 16:9 format? Are there other differences in potential PQ between the sets based on the different pixel layouts?
I've been looking at plasma screens and just to give you an idea of how early I am in the process, I still am trying to decide of I should get a 42-43" or a 50" display.

However, having spent part of the morning checking out the 4360 and 5060 at the local BB today, it seems that one impact that the square vs. rectangular pixel issue will have on picture quality is the jagged line effect when a thin diagonal line is on the screen. With a 42-43" display and its rectangular pixels, diagonal lines appear to be a little jagged. To see this, look at the edge of text letters on the screen, especially letters like W and X, or any object that shows up as a thin straight line. With the 50" display and its square pixels, there is less of an impact.

I'm beginning to think that the only reason to get a 42-43" plasma is because of space issues. Which is, of course, the issue that I have - space. :rolleyes:

Yeah...space is a concern for me as well. I was thinking about the 43" which I could move to the bedroom and upgrade with a bigger/better set in a year or two. The 50" won't fit in the armoir in the bedroom, so it would likely be the main TV for a long time.

Your observation about the diagonal lines is a good one. I think I'm going with the 5060, which is enough TV for me for a good while considering I'm upgrading from a 27" CRT. The future 1080p plasmas and SXRDs are alluring, but probably not necessary since I'm not a huge videophile.

I'll see what BB will do, but TVA maybe too good to pass up. I've heard nothing but favorable reviews about them on this forum.

My 1130 just showed up.

Now I am in panic mode to get everything wired up and running. The 1130 is replacing a Sony 27" XBR so this is my first HD panel. I will post my rookie comments tomorrow sometime.

I tried searching on this question and had no luck. Specifically, does the stand for the Pio 5050 work on the 5060?

Oldcband,

I really wasn't trying to "bark up" any particular tree, but I am still confused by your retort. It appears that you are saying that all Panasonics do not have a shifting black level ? That may be so - I have only sampled about a half dozen, including the one I own, so there may be some that don't - I certainly wouldn't argue that with anybody. All that I have seen, do, in fact, do this, however, and that is what I based my comments on.

However, the point of the post was to explain DRE and what it does, rather than go into the Pansonic black level issue (which, again, it appears that you are homing in on). That was the topic of another thread which I started several weeks ago, which I cited earlier - you may be interested in reading some of it.

- Chris

I tried searching on this question and had no luck. Specifically, does the stand for the Pio 5050 work on the 5060?There are reports that it does. In fact, there is a jpg in a recent thread of an 1120 stand (same as the 5050 except for color) with a 5060......
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6322848&&#post6322848

There are reports that it does. In fact, there is a jpg in a recent thread of an 1120 stand (same as the 5050 except for color) with a 5060......
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6322848&&#post6322848It definitely does. I also bought mine on eBay. The seller had four, and only two sold (for $10). If anyone wants to inquire about the other two, search under "completed listings" for PDK-1011 (I'm not sure what the difference is between the 1011 and 1012 referenced by Jake NYC; they look exactly the same), or PM me and I'll give you the seller's e-mail address.

The black stand really does look much better. It's a bit annoying that Pioneer is so cheap with the supplied stand. It's pretty chintzy--as I've pointed out, 9 pounds vs. 31 for the swivel stand. I see the black stand as a "must-have" upgrade for anyone getting a 5060, particularly at these prices.

Edit: I see the other two are now up for bid on eBay, currently at $20.

Well, I've finally had a chance to see the Pioneer 5060 and Panasonic 50PX50U side-by-side at one of my local BB. I will do a full review of the 2 displays late tonight or early tomorrow morning as I saw them in regular store lighting conditions and I'm going back tonight to see them again in low-level lighting.

Stay tuned.....

Edit: I see the other two are now up for bid on eBay, currently at $20.
Probably AVSers with all the publicity this approach is getting. No more $10 stands for you!!

Well, I've finally had a chance to see the Pioneer 5060 and Panasonic 50PX50U side-by-side at one of my local BB. I will do a full review of the 2 displays late tonight or early tomorrow morning as I saw them in regular store lighting conditions and I'm going back tonight to see them again in low-level lighting.

Stay tuned.....
Hey, great! I sure hope you can get the remotes to optimize the settings (or bring your own!). Also, be able to use the same DVD player for a source. Their regular HD feed is probably the same for both if they are next to each other.

Have fun!

Hey, great! I sure hope you can get the remotes to optimize the settings (or bring your own!). Also, be able to use the same DVD player for a source. Their regular HD feed is probably the same for both if they are next to each other.

Have fun!

I had both remotes and the sources were Time Warner Cable HD and BB's video loop of trailers and commercials.

I had both remotes and the sources were Time Warner Cable HD and BB's video loop of trailers and commercials.
Looking forward to your observations!

Yeah, me too.

- Chris

I should have my 1130 tomorrow afternoon...

Hello all,

Sorry it took me so long to post this review but it’s been a long day. As I previously stated yesterday, one of my local Best Buy had just setup a new Pioneer 5060 right beside a Panasonic 50PX50u. I would like to thank the local departmental staff for allowing me to play with the settings on both panels as they normally don’t allow customers access to them. Another good thing was that they were preparing to move plasmas around later near closing time and after some conversations with the manager I was invited back to view the displays in the RPTV area (low lighting) while they reconfigured the plasma shelves. Both plasmas were connected by monster component cables to the BB video loop. This best Buy sells Time Warner cable programming so they were able to switch between the Best Buy DVD video loop and Time Warner HD offerings. Here are the settings I used for both plasmas:

Pioneer 5060:
AV Selection: User
Contrast: +40
Brightness: +4
Color: -12
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -1

Pioneer 5060 ADV Settings:
Pure Cinema: Standard
Color Temp: Mid
DNR: Low
Mpeg NR: Low
CTI: Off


Panasonic 50PX50u:
Picture Mode: Standard
Picture: +25
Brightness: +3
Color: -4
Tint: -2
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Normal
Color Management: Off
Video NR: Off
Mpeg NR: Off
Black level: Light

Now on to the review…….


Normal store lighting:

These two juggernauts were placed in a reviewer’s “store viewing” preferred location, the last isle of Best Buy’s flat panel displays where there are no overhead lights directly shinning on the panels.

When I first saw them, they were playing the standard Best Buy video loops. I immediately noticed that both were in torch mode with the Pioneer looking like pure garbage. I have never seen a Pioneer look so ugly…jagged lines everywhere, color bleeding…just disgusting. On the other hand, the Panasonic looked more pleasing but, to a lesser extent, it showed some of the same jagged lines and color bleeding. Luckily there was a sales rep close by and he pulled out both remotes from the “remote treasure chest” on the bottom plasma display shelf.

After adjusting both displays to the settings listed above, I could once again see why there are so many faithful followers in both Pioneer and Panasonic camps. Both displays were amazing compared to the 50” Philips on the bottom shelf and the Samsung to the left of the Pioneer. However, keeping my attention only on the Pioneer vs the Panny, viewing a Cnet clip and a “Chicken Little” movie trailer resulted in Pioneer’s colors looking fresher and crisper while the Panasonic’s looked like a red shirt after its first wash… kinda washed out. Not the really dull washed out, but the “you know this red shirt is not new anymore” washed out.

The clips continued and some Discover HD underwater clips began to show. Once again I was just awed by the Pioneer’s rendering of the clips as I stood 5 feet away. Extremely rich colors with a very 3D look to them. One Best Buy customer who happened to walked by immediately stopped and said “Wow. It looks like a real aquarium”. The clip started to show some blue glowing jellyfish with a black background and I instantly saw a difference in black level. The Pioneer definitely had deeper blacks compared to the Panasonic. The blacks almost reached the glossy black of the Pioneer’s bezel. As far as producing deep blacking in bright ambient light, the Pioneer wins here (must be that pure color filter).

More wildlife clips continued and my eyes were just glued to the Pioneer. Everything looked like I could reach and grab it where the Panasonic had a look to it that I just could not place my finger on at that time. More and more customers passed by and commented on how beautiful the Pioneer looked.

After a while I started to remember Rich Harkness review and wondered why he reported so much noise in the picture. At 5 feet, the Pioneer clearly was superior to the Panasonic. Then I got within 1 foot of both screens and I finally saw what Rich was saying. There appeared to be more noise in the Pioneer picture than the Panasonic. A WB TV show clip was showing and the time and I definitely could see more noise (looked like mosquito noise) around the characters on the Pioneer. The Panasonic really shinned on this clip with the smoothness it presented.

As a “Tim Burton's Corpse Bride” movie clip started to play I saw something…..the Panasonic…..its “smoothness” was flawed. Standing 1 foot away from the panels, I noticed the Panasonic was smoothing out the picture detail that the Pioneer showed flawlessly. On close-ups of the characters clothing I could clearly make out the black “chenille fabric” like details on the Pioneer while the Panasonic looked plain black. Trying to increase the sharpness on the Panasonic helped but it also introduced video noise.

I asked one of the sales reps to switch to the Time Warner feed and show the Georgia/Tennessee game. Once again I saw the same thing….the Panasonic was smoothing picture detail. On one close-up shot of a Georgia player, I could see his jersey stitching on the Pioneer while they were completely void from the Panasonic’s picture. Smoothing the picture is great but losing picture detail as a consequence is unacceptable to me.

As the game continued I also started to notice a slight green tinge to the goal posts on the Panasonic where the Pioneer showed pure yellow.

Again I was glued to the Pioneer’s picture. Absolutely breathe-taking in the color rendition department. The turf had more true-to-life greens on the Pioneer.

I had seen enough. In bright ambient lighting, the Pioneer wins in my book. The Panasonic looked great but it just wasn’t the Pioneer. The colors just did not excite my visual cortex like the Pioneer. I could really see myself having ADD with the Panasonic….it just could not hold my attention. Deep blacks were superior to the Pioneer in ambient lighting, but most here agree that low-level lighting conditions is where it counts…..


Low Level (RPTV area) Lighting:

Around 8:45PM, I returned to the store to take another look at these 2 displays in “movie time” light settings. Although this was not a completely dark situation, the video staff placed the two panels with their screens facing the rear wall of the RPTV area and turned off all RPTVs.

First up more Best Buy video loop clips…

A “Harry Potter and The Goblet of Fire” clip started and both displays were excellent in the “deep black” territory. It was a draw. The Pioneer was not any brighter or darker than the Panasonic. However I saw slightly more detail in the dark areas of the Pioneer compared to the Panasonic. At the beginning of the clip there is the Warner Bros logo on a black wooden door that opens. I could detect the door outline faster on the Pioneer as it opened verses the Panasonic. Also the wood’s texture was slightly more legible on the Pioneer.

The usual Safari West clip showing the Las Vegas strip reared its head and although both displays showed the same deep blacks, the Pioneer wins in my book due to the colors it can produce. I felt like I was there on the Pioneer verses viewing the Las Vegas strip from behind a extremely clean glass that the Panasonic presented. Both panels showed camera pans smoothly with Panasonic winning as its pans were slightly smoother. Again I noticed that the Panasonic was smoothing out picture details.

A little after 9:00PM, they turned the feed to a Time Warner offering of HBOHD. Alien vs Predator was showing and I was completely engulfed in the picture the Pioneer displayed. Explosions were rich with color. As the characters ran thru the maze of the temple, I could make out the stone wall textures. It was just beautiful. When the girl and predator made it back to the surface, the snow was pure white with a hint of blue on the Pioneer while the Panasonic had a slight red tinge to it. Both displayed the dark, snow falling sky equally.

To summarize my babbling, I was extremely impressed with the Pioneer 5060. Once properly calibrated, it showed all of the visual stimuli that Pioneer is famous for. On top of the extremely rich and accurate colors, Pioneer has included a“black phobic’s” acceptable rich deep blacks. Frame all of that in its gloss black bezel and it’s just a work of art. Although I did see some of the additional noise in the Pioneer that Rich saw in his review, I can conclude that it is from the source. Yes Panasonic excels in producing a milk chocolate picture, but it inadvertently smoothes out fine detail. As I said before, that is unacceptable in my book. I prefer the “less filtered but still taste great” presentation of the Pioneer. I know others will think differently.

The Panasonic is also a great display but it just doesn’t have enough for me to allow it to be one of my primary displays. It looked too much like a crt to me. I prefer that one technology not mimic another (if I wanted the crt look I would go buy a crt). If you like the somewhat flat, less 3D look that a crt gives you, then the Panasonic is for you. I prefer that my eyes be stimulated. It sure comes close but, the Panasonic just doesn’t do it for me.

D-Nice, thanks for your observations and your excellent write-up. You described exactly what I've been seeing since I got my 5061--as I've stated, it gives me a sensation of a fog having been lifted as compared to my previous Fujitsu plasma. Friends have also commented on the 3D appearance of HD on the Pioneer.

It's good to have another data point on the Pioneer vs. Panasonic comparison issue. The differences of opinion underscore the subjective nature of these comparisons. I guess it comes down to one's particular sensitivities and pet peeves--black levels, picture noise, picture detail, motion anomolies, etc. Obviously, anyone thinking of buying should see these plasmas for themselves.

D-Nice, thanks for the great review. I also saw the Panny 50u and Pio 5060 side by side this weekend. I think your observations are very accurate. I especially like the fact that you posted the settings for both displays.

Thanks for your work D-Nice!

I continue to build excitement in anticipation of my 1130. All you observed with added callibration ability.

Questions for the sake of science: :D

1) How did you decide on the settings for each? The Pio contrast seems mighty high. When you observed the Panny looking slightly flatter than the Pio, did you consider upping the color a notch on the Panny to try to equalize?

2) When you saw noise on the Pio, it read like it was not noticible at > ~ 4ft. Is that accurate? And I wonder if DNR and MPEG NR settings on a higher setting would make a difference for the Pio.

3) I wonder about turning up sharpness on the Panny to counter the "smoothness". I guess it wouldn't make stitches appear if you can't see them at all though.

3) You had the Panny black level at "light". What would happen at "dark", maybe with brightness up or other compensation? Does it lose gray detail?

In any case, it adds to the conclusion that both are great TVs and, at the very least, the Pio is equal in PQ to the Panny.

Thanks again........

Tnanks guys. It's only fair to include the settings that were used in the observation.

I'm now going to sit back and wait on my local Tweeter to place a 1130 on the wall right beside the 50PX500u.

When you saw noise on the Pio, it read like it was not noticible at > ~ 4ft. Is that accurate? And I wonder if DNR and MPEG NR settings on a higher setting would make a difference for the Pio.I've seen this noise as well on HD, and upping the DNR to mid greatly decreases it...in case you want to watch from 1 foot. :)

Just wanted to say thanks to D-Nice as well. Thanks for your time and effort.:)

The idea that Pioneer has improved their black levels is just huge for those of us that prefer the pio image overall.

Thanks again...

Thanks for your work D-Nice!

I continue to build excitement in anticipation of my 1130. All you observed with added callibration ability.

Questions for the sake of science: :D

1) How did you decide on the settings for each? The Pio contrast seems mighty high. When you observed the Panny looking slightly flatter than the Pio, did you consider upping the color a notch on the Panny to try to equalize?

2) When you saw noise on the Pio, it read like it was not noticible at > ~ 4ft. Is that accurate? And I wonder if DNR and MPEG NR settings on a higher setting would make a difference for the Pio.

3) I wonder about turning up sharpness on the Panny to counter the "smoothness". I guess it wouldn't make stitches appear if you can't see them at all though.

3) You had the Panny black level at "light". What would happen at "dark", maybe with brightness up or other compensation? Does it lose gray detail?

In any case, it adds to the conclusion that both are great TVs and, at the very least, the Pio is at least as good in PQ.

Thanks again........

Great questions...


1) How did you decide on the settings for each? The Pio contrast seems mighty high. When you observed the Panny looking slightly flatter than the Pio, did you consider upping the color a notch on the Panny to try to equalize?

The Pioneer settings are extremely similar to my 5050 settings with the contrast setting compensating for the bright lights in Best Buy. With the Panasonic being in Standard mode in those lights, anything less than +25 for the picture setting made it look very dull. The other settings I borrowed from the Panny thread. I actually toned down the both contrast levels (+29 for the Pioneer and +10 for the Panasonic) when I viewed them in the RPTV room. Bumping up the color on the Panasonic made fleshtones too red for my tastes.



2) When you saw noise on the Pio, it read like it was not noticible at > ~ 4ft. Is that accurate? And I wonder if DNR and MPEG NR settings on a higher setting would make a difference for the Pio.

Yep. Silky smooth picture on the Pioneer at > 4 feet. I didn't like what I saw when I bumped the DNR and Mpeg NR up, but please see what you think when you get your 1130.



3) I wonder about turning up sharpness on the Panny to counter the "smoothness". I guess it wouldn't make stitches appear if you can't see them at all though.

When I bump the sharpness up, it did bring more detail out but also introduced mosquito noise.



3) You had the Panny black level at "light". What would happen at "dark", maybe with brightness up or other compensation? Does it lose gray detail?

Setting the black level to dark will kill all detail in the dark areas. I also got this from the Panny thread.

Thanks for your answers D-Nice. Sounds like a reasonably valid test thus far. Kind of wish it was in its own thread though. We might not see many Panny owners' comments here.

I know just the thread to duplicate the post ;)

We might not see many Panny owners' comments here.
That could be a good thing.

The wars, they never end.:)

That could be a good thing.

The wars, they never end.:)
It won't be a war if we look at things fairly and openly.

I guess I'm an optimist.

I know just the thread to duplicate the post ;)
Great idea. A great thread to build on too!

Here's the link if anyone wants to beam up:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6328226&&#post6328226

It won't be a war if we look at things fairly and openly.

Agreed. I was just horsing around.:)

Great job, D-Nice. Having them side by side like that finally gets us a really good contrast and comparison! Thanks.

- Chris

Great review and makes my waiting for my new toy ever so frustrating.
All though I think there are some anomalies in the settings that may perhaps in this case pull one display up or down over the other.
But even if these two sets were properly calibrated by a professional and then tested side by side, that would possibly create only a minor shift of a few percentage points in either direction in terms of over all picture quality. Both companies over the years have pretty much perfected plasma technology to its best. I can only imaging how things play out next year in the 1080p zone…

D-Nice,

Thanks for your review. No offense to you man but it sure is obvious who the fanboys for each brand are...hehe! On one hand, we have Rich, whose reviews favor Panasonic and on the other we have D-Nice whose reviews favor Pioneer. It's funny how difficult it is to get an objective review when people are influenced by their preferences and feelings but that's what these things are all about!

It all boils down to the fact that each display is very good and it's definately going to depend upon what you prefer as far as PQ is concerned as well as price and features. Tough call for most of us!

Thanks again,

Drivie

Thanks for the review D-Nice. You continue to reinforce the notion that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Your choice for best picture quality comes down to whether you prefer a smooth, film-like quality with a tradeoff in detail or a crisp, detailed quality with a tradeoff in smoothness. There is no objective "better" set. Determination of better is an individual choice.

Since I've already pre-ordered by 1130, I'm happy to see a review from a different perspective. I appreciate that both you and Rich have gone to all the trouble to develop and publish your reviews.

D-Nice,

Thanks for your review. No offense to you man but it sure is obvious who the fanboys for each brand are...hehe! On one hand, we have Rich, whose reviews favor Panasonic and on the other we have D-Nice whose reviews favor Pioneer. It's funny how difficult it is to get an objective review when people are influenced by their preferences and feelings but that's what these things are all about!

It all boils down to the fact that each display is very good and it's definately going to depend upon what you prefer as far as PQ is concerned as well as price and features. Tough call for most of us!

Thanks again,

Drivie

Thanks for the complement. Both sets are excellent but I preferred the Pioneer look. That said, my money will be given to Pioneer for my main displays. However, I am looking at purchasing 2 37PX50u for the guest bedrooms in the house I'm having build in 1st quarter '06.

My 1130 arrived Saturday and I spent all day Saturday and half of Sunday running wires, intalling a wall mount etc.

Im new to the HD arena so I wont bother posting my detailed opinions because Im just amazed at the quality of HD and probably miss the subtle differences. I plan on diving into the details over the next week or so. I will say the 1130 looks very nice (how is that for a technical observation).

The one problem I do have is that there is a hum. Perhaps a 60 cycle type hum thats coming from the 1130 speakers. It seems more pronounced with the DVD signal (HDMI) than from the cable box signal (HDMI). I plan on switching wires and supplying power from different circuits to isolate the hum if I can.

Anyone have any idea what would cause this.

I do not have power conditioning on the line.

Thanks

John

I have a question for you guys as I'm a bit lost here.

I haven't gotten my 5060 yet, but I'm so excited that I'm looking at threads, reading the owners manual and jotting down notes.

I have an HD8300 DVR from Cox that will be used for my TV Guide so to speak. But yet, I see there is an option for the TV guide as well for the TV. Is this only if you have the Cable Card will this option work ??

D-Nice... Love the write up man... put away some of my fears about getting this TV. We are upgrading from a Sony Trinitron 32" that we bought back in 95 and are hoping we didn't go wrong. My question to you is... are the setting you posted for NORMAL Viewing or would those be the burn in settings ??

My question to you is... are the setting you posted for NORMAL Viewing or would those be the burn in settings ??

I think for burn-in you will want to turn down the contrast from 40 to around 25-30. You may even feel that you like it set at this lower level after the initial burn-in period. I have mine set at 28. D-Nice explained that he had the contrast up at 40 because of all the harsh lighting conditions at BB. I'm sure D-Nice will provide his opinion when he has time.

I see there is an option for the TV guide as well for the TV. Is this only if you have the Cable Card will this option work ????No, you don't need CableCard for this. In fact, my CableCard seems to block the TV Guide info, requiring an antenna hooked up to the B input to retrieve it. TV Guide seems to work reasonably well, although people's main complaint is that the channels are not listed in numerical order.

D-Nice... Love the write up man... put away some of my fears about getting this TV. We are upgrading from a Sony Trinitron 32" that we bought back in 95 and are hoping we didn't go wrong. My question to you is... are the setting you posted for NORMAL Viewing or would those be the burn in settings ??

Thanks for the complement. I would not use a contrast setting of +40 until after the burnin period. I currently have my 5050 set to +30 and find no reason to push it any higher. Brighness, Color, Tint, etc. are fine for pre and after burnin settings, but please tweak them to your liking.

Last Friday I took delivery of my PDP-5060. I just wanted to take a minute to comment on the dealer I bought the TV from, since I don't see them mentioned here very often. For those shopping for Pioneer consumer sets, you already know there are a limited number of authorized places to buy from. avdeals.com (same company as plasma.com) is in fact authorized. I had a great experience with them. They took the time to explain the process in detail when I placed the order (never ordered something this large in cost or size via the internet). The product shipped approx. when they had indicated, and they used SEKO to ship it to my front door. SEKO wasted no time getting it here, and they were also easy to work with. The box arrived in perfect condition.

I do believe the hallmark of a good company is how they handle issues when things do NOT go as planned. To that end I can't comment on avdeals, as everything went exactly according to plan. But based on my first experience, I would gladly do business with them again.

Pics are attached for those who are interested. The new furniture hasn't arrived yet, so everything is strewn about. I have to say I absolutely love this TV from an aesthetic standpoint as well as the image quality! The pictures don't do it justice as it seems the screen coatings interfered with the picture taking (obviously this isn't a problem for the nake eye...just the camera). I didn't get the exposure quite right either, so it appears it's on torch mode...it's not.
Home Theater in shambles (http://rajashar.smugmug.com/photos/39389081-L.jpg)
5060 - Monsters Inc (http://rajashar.smugmug.com/photos/39389048-L.jpg)
5060 - Gladiator (http://rajashar.smugmug.com/photos/39389011-L.jpg)

Ok I'm wondering what is the "dynamic" settings used for, as it looks awfully bright and I would deffinitly not watch movies or TV in that mode, what's the use for it, specially when you can't even adjust it?

Ok I'm wondering what is the "dynamic" settings used for, as it looks awfully bright and I would deffinitly not watch movies or TV in that mode, what's the use for it, specially when you can't even adjust it?
To catch your attention in the store when the plasma is only one of a dozen adjacent models. :p

Last Friday I took delivery of my PDP-5060. I just wanted to take a minute to comment on the dealer I bought the TV from, since I don't see them mentioned here very often. For those shopping for Pioneer consumer sets, you already know there are a limited number of authorized places to buy from. avdeals.com (same company as plasma.com) is in fact authorized. I had a great experience with them. They took the time to explain the process in detail when I placed the order (never ordered something this large in cost or size via the internet). The product shipped approx. when they had indicated, and they used SEKO to ship it to my front door. SEKO wasted no time getting it here, and they were also easy to work with. The box arrived in perfect condition.

I do believe the hallmark of a good company is how they handle issues when things do NOT go as planned. To that end I can't comment on avdeals, as everything went exactly according to plan. But based on my first experience, I would gladly do business with them again.

Pics are attached for those who are interested. The new furniture hasn't arrived yet, so everything is strewn about. I have to say I absolutely love this TV from an aesthetic standpoint as well as the image quality! The pictures don't do it justice as it seems the screen coatings interfered with the picture taking (obviously this isn't a problem for the nake eye...just the camera). I didn't get the exposure quite right either, so it appears it's on torch mode...it's not.
Home Theater in shambles (http://rajashar.smugmug.com/photos/39389081-L.jpg)
5060 - Monsters Inc (http://rajashar.smugmug.com/photos/39389048-L.jpg)
5060 - Gladiator (http://rajashar.smugmug.com/photos/39389011-L.jpg)

Nice pictures. Enjoy your plasma.

I see the two remaining PDK-1011 black swivel stands on eBay went for $75. Pretty funny--they were relisted several times with no bids, and I picked up mine for $10. Now the word is out (as are the 5060s).

I'm expecting my wall mount ot be here on wednesday, and I know I need 4 x M8 screws to attach the 5060. I know there are two used for the stand that can be used for the mount ( the short ones), any idea were more of those screws can be purchased, do regular hardware stores carry those ?
thanks :)

Your mount should include the screws - I've bought and installed 3 flat panel mounts; 2 from omni-mount and 1 from sanus, and all came with the hardware.

- Chris

Generally speaking, a Home Depot or Lowes will carry those screws. Just bring the screws down to your local store and ask them to dig up identical pieces. The problem is some of these hardware stores have poor inventory and inventory control...or even worse...nobody maintains the section in question, and bolts are strewn about in the wrong trays. If you can't find the right size, get a longer one and cut it down to size.

I confirmed today that my 1130 will be delivered tomorrow (Tues). I could have had it tonight if I had access to a truck to bring it home. Oh well. Hopefully there is some highdef hockey on tomorrow night ;)

I confirmed today that my 1130 will be delivered tomorrow (Tues). I could have had it tonight if I had access to a truck to bring it home. Oh well. Hopefully there is some highdef hockey on tomorrow night ;)
Exciting! I'm hoping mine will be in the next week.

question for those with 5060 or 1130...

DVD players: with the 3/3 pulldown, pure mode, etc, Are there any differences/advantages/disadvantages in running an upconverting dvd player?

I had read (maybe in error on my part) that some of the processing features may have been limited to 480i, so running an upconverted signal wouldnt allow those processes to take place...

any thoughts?

I see the two remaining PDK-1011 black swivel stands on eBay went for $75. Pretty funny--they were relisted several times with no bids, and I picked up mine for $10. Now the word is out (as are the 5060s).



Yah. wished i had paid your price for that stand. lol.

I see the two remaining PDK-1011 black swivel stands on eBay went for $75. Pretty funny--they were relisted several times with no bids, and I picked up mine for $10. Now the word is out (as are the 5060s).

Funny you should mention this... My wife and I just got one of the two off of E-bay yesterday for that exact same price :)

Hi all.

First post here, but I have been reading for a few months. I'm in the process of finishing a new family room and have the following components in mind.

B&W 705 Mains
B&W HTM7 Center
B&W Sub
B&W DS6 S3 surrounds
Rotel gear
Pioneer Elite PRO-930HD Plasma

Is the Pro-930 similar to what I have been reading about on this thread. I'm a bit confused on what the diffrences are.

Thanks
John

My 1130 arrived Saturday and I spent all day Saturday and half of Sunday running wires, intalling a wall mount etc.

The one problem I do have is that there is a hum. Perhaps a 60 cycle type hum thats coming from the 1130 speakers. It seems more pronounced with the DVD signal (HDMI) than from the cable box signal (HDMI). I plan on switching wires and supplying power from different circuits to isolate the hum if I can.

Anyone have any idea what would cause this.

I do not have power conditioning on the line.

Thanks

John


John,

Your hum problem sounds like a ground loop issue. Most ground loop issues are caused by cable service ground being a different potential than the ground used by the house electric wiring. The easiest way to check this is disconnect the cable service entirely from your setup. If the hum goes away then cable service is the source.

The correct way to stop the hum is ground the cable service, where it enters the home, to the same point that the electric service is grounded. There are also ground loop eliminators sold that connect to the cable before you connect it to your equipment, but they are not always as effective as proper grounding of the cable service.

gr

hi guys,

what is the difference between the pioneer 506 xde and the 506hdg (model marketed in australia)?

thanks,

julie

Anybody seen any sign of the Elite 1130 in the New York (specifically, Manhattan) area, perhaps at one of the known Pioneer dealers? I've been waiting for over a month now.

Nope, NY dealers don't have any yet. My dealer promises by end of this week or early next week. We always get them last, I would figure the market place is bigger then most other states, we should get them first LoL :D

Hi all.

First post here, but I have been reading for a few months. I'm in the process of finishing a new family room and have the following components in mind.

B&W 705 Mains
B&W HTM7 Center
B&W Sub
B&W DS6 S3 surrounds
Rotel gear
Pioneer Elite PRO-930HD Plasma

Is the Pro-930 similar to what I have been reading about on this thread. I'm a bit confused on what the diffrences are.
Nice gear!

The 930 is the Elite version of the 4360, both 6th generation Pio TVs. The Elite's are basically the same as the xx60s but with different cosmetics, a heavy swivel stand (vs. a lighter non-swivel), significant enhancements in adjustments for callibration of colors and blacks/contrast/grayscale, day and night callibration modes, a picture card viewer, and a two year warranty (vs. one year).

See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=589115

And check differences on the Pioneer site where they are now listed.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/hec/category/0,,2076_4121,00.html

OK question about connections on the 5060. How do you get digital sound into the media receiver? the receiver has optical out, that seems to be useless cause there is no way of getting digital sound in unless (and I'm guessing) thru OTA antenna or cable card. The only other way is thru HDMI however it states in the manual the optical out will be disabled when getting signal thru HDMI quote: "When signals are input from the HDMI terminals, no digital
or analog signals are output from the DIGITAL OUT terminal."

I'm getting my cable upgraded to HD today, and I chose the box rather then cablecard, cause I heard many stories of cards not working properly, and I'm trying to figure out how to get my sound outputted to my receiver as well as TV (for late night watching), I'm hoping the cable box HDMI is functional cause I heard HDMI is better then components, I also hope the box has optical output to the receiver which stays on when using HDMI. Anyone with cable box can elaborate ?

thanks

OK question about connections on the 5060. How do you get digital sound into the media receiver? the receiver has optical out, that seems to be useless cause there is no way of getting digital sound in unless (and I'm guessing) thru OTA antenna or cable card. The only other way is thru HDMI however it states in the manual the optical out will be disabled when getting signal thru HDMI quote: "When signals are input from the HDMI terminals, no digital
or analog signals are output from the DIGITAL OUT terminal."

I'm getting my cable upgraded to HD today, and I chose the box rather then cablecard, cause I heard many stories of cards not working properly, and I'm trying to figure out how to get my sound outputted to my receiver as well as TV (for late night watching), I'm hoping the cable box HDMI is functional cause I heard HDMI is better then components, I also hope the box has optical output to the receiver which stays on when using HDMI. Anyone with cable box can elaborate ?

thanks

Most cable boxes have some type of digital audio output. Just use the cable box's output and make sure you setup your receiver's audio delay.

I'll update my own message: Harvey's in NYC (on 45th) has the 1130 (and 930) on display, but has only shipped 6 to customers.

1130 is in!! Played with it for about 3hrs on an "extended" lunch break...

pictures and more info tonight!