Sorry to read this. That's really the same thing that happens to me sometimes, until I unplug it. there must be something buggy in some of the sets. I think you should give pioneer a call, especially if you like picture in picture. Can you get OTA ATSC (digital stations) still?

Now my guide listings don't work... ):

I do get OTA digital stations. I am guessing (hoping) that the next DVR I get will have a built-in PIP function to make the PIP more useful.

Even if I could get my set-up working via ANT A, I would only be getting the unencrypted cable channels right? Based on what I read on my local HDTV thread, it sounds like that would be a veery limited set of channels.

I do get OTA digital stations. I am guessing (hoping) that the next DVR I get will have a built-in PIP function to make the PIP more useful.

Even if I could get my set-up working via ANT A, I would only be getting the unencrypted cable channels right? Based on what I read on my local HDTV thread, it sounds like that would be a veery limited set of channels.

Yes only unencrypted, unless you got a cable card, which is what I use sometimes.

Yes only unencrypted, unless you got a cable card, which is what I use sometimes.

What's the typical monthly tab for a cable card?

What's the typical monthly tab for a cable card?

For me, Cablevision is asking for 2 dollars and change per month. Sounds tempting until you find out that you lose ALL on-demand services and Cablevision requires a tech to come out and install it for you at about $40?!!! No thank you!
I'm waiting for Verizon FIOS to get their act together in my neighborhood...

First one is free for me, second one is $1.50 a month. Self install only at this point (with phone support), so no install charges. Some places apparently you can only buy them at exorbitant prices. It's worth a check.

Yep, no on-demand. Even if your cable company has 2-way cards, these Pios only support one way communication, so no on-demand.

I also called Pioneer tech support & he suggested that I try ANT B since I "would only receive analog cable signals if not going through a cable box". Is that correct?

I also called Charter & a cable card is only $1.50 per month & can be self-installed.

If I am understanding this correctly, assuming the ANT B option works, these are my PIP options:

- PIP via ANT B with limited, unencrypted analog cable channels
- Service call to repair apparently faulty media box tuner & then use ANT A in conjunction with a cable card for wide selection of digital channels (including HD?)
- Hold off until my next generation DVR which would hopefully include built-in PIP functionality that would do away with the need for the TV tuner

Do I have this straight?

I also called Pioneer tech support & he suggested that I try ANT B since I "would only receive analog cable signals if not going through a cable box". Is that correct?

I also called Charter & a cable card is only $1.50 per month & can be self-installed.

If I am understanding this correctly, assuming the ANT B option works, these are my PIP options:

- PIP via ANT B with limited, unencrypted analog cable channels
- Service call to repair apparently faulty media box tuner & then use ANT A in conjunction with a cable card for wide selection of digital channels (including HD?)
- Hold off until my next generation DVR which would hopefully include built-in PIP functionality that would do away with the need for the TV tuner

Do I have this straight?

I don't think that's right. Cable companies send QAM (digital). The box just maps them and unencrypts the encrypted ones. Your TV should be able to tune the unencryped QAM stations. I have multiple QAM tuners (PC and TV) that get digital cable signals not going through a box. Those digital signals come through Ant A. Maybe he means you don't get any unencrypted QAM stations, but how would he know? Most areas have the local HDs unencryped over QAM. Your cable provider should know...

You have another option. If you already get OTA ATSC working then you can already get your local channels in HD and use PIP. That may be all you cable stations sends unencrypted via QAM anyway. You could then also connect the analog input (ANT B) and get all of the basic 1-99 analog stations via PIP too.

I'd go with option B... It will get you all the stations you are subscribed to, including HD and premium stations.

Somewhat related, After July 1st cable companies will be forced to support cable cards and all new devices (dvrs and regular set top boxes) will be required to use cable card. So it's a good bet if you do wait for a next GEN dvr with PIP it will use cable card(s).

I think this is one reason why cable companies in a lot jurisdictions (including mine) are basically giving away older set top boxes with no installation charge and no room access fees and no monthly fees. In my area they are offering 2 free digital boxes (That can access on demand and premium channels but don't do HD) free for 12 months. They ship them right to your door for free too, no installation charge.

I wonder if this would be as simple as a media receiver swap-out or if they would have to take the display & box "to the shop". I can't imagine life without my girl.

If my next gen DVR does in fact have built-in PIP functionality, do you see a case where I would have a need for the TV tuner?

I wonder if this would be as simple as a media receiver swap-out or if they would have to take the display & box "to the shop". I can't imagine life without my girl.

If my next gen DVR does in fact have built-in PIP functionality, do you see a case where I would have a need for the TV tuner?

If your next gen DVR is dual-tuner and has PIP, then you do not need to go through the RF coaxial connection. You will, however, lose split screen. I defer to my earlier argument against splitscreen for HD broadcasts.

I just want to clarify something.

If I were to go the cablecard route for PIP, I would still be hosed without my tuner functioning properly correct?

I just want to clarify something.

If I were to go the cablecard route for PIP, I would still be hosed without my tuner functioning properly correct?

Theoretically, the cablecard should be able to get you anything you're supposed to get (ie. paid for) as it's main duty is to unscramble the signal for you. If even the cablecard doesn't work, I would consider calling Pioneer service.

Hey Everyone! First post, great forum!

I'm having a similar problem with my ANT A, PIP, etc.....

I'm wondering if anyone has any advice they can offer to me on this. I really do not want to take my display anywhere to get it fixed.

Well, i've had the 4360 for almost a year now and absolutely love this display. I've never been able to get the PIP to work though. About 5 months ago, I gave up. However, last week I decided to figure this out once and for all.

So, when I have my ANT A tuner scan for cable channels, it finds anywhere from 5-7 channels. When I push the channel up/down button, the screen flashes like it's changing channels but always stays on the same channel. However, if I manually type in any channel it works fine. Has this happened to anyone?

Secondly, after talking with a Pioneer Tech support rep last week, he told me that when I hit the split button on the remote, the screen should split regardless of incoming video feed. I also made sure the remote was set to "TV". So, to test this, I took my remote to best buy and tried using PIP on a pio there and it worked. So, my question is.....has anyone ever seen anything like this? I know my remote now works fine but for whatever reason, my display does nothing when I push the split button. Do you think this is something where I can just take my MR to a service facility?

Thanks in advance for your insight!

Not sure if people have noticed something similar, but I've had my 1130 for a year and it seems to have lost some brightness and it's harder to see the picture in the daytime.

Also, as I was watching baseball, I noticed pink bats and thought something was wrong with the color as it is harder to see the true color and detail in the daytime. Fortunately, the bats are indeed pink for Mother's Day. However, it is still hard to see in the daytime. Maybe I'm imagining the loss in brightness.

Not sure if people have noticed something similar, but I've had my 1130 for a year and it seems to have lost some brightness and it's harder to see the picture in the daytime.

Also, as I was watching baseball, I noticed pink bats and thought something was wrong with the color as it is harder to see the true color and detail in the daytime. Fortunately, the bats are indeed pink for Mother's Day. However, it is still hard to see in the daytime. Maybe I'm imagining the loss in brightness.

when you make a post like this, you should include your settings, and hour meter readings, otherwise, there is no info for anyone to respond to.
for instance, if you have had your TV set on "torch mode" and put 3000 hours on it since you got it, then it would make sence that you could notice some fading...

I however, have had my 4360 set conservatively for the past year, and have 950 hours on it.
(power save 2, contrast is at about 28 and brightness at +1)
I haven't noticed any loss in picture quality

when you make a post like this, you should include your settings, and hour meter readings, otherwise, there is no info for anyone to respond to.
for instance, if you have had your TV set on "torch mode" and put 3000 hours on it since you got it, then it would make sence that you could notice some fading...

I however, have had my 4360 set conservatively for the past year, and have 950 hours on it.
(power save 2, contrast is at about 28 and brightness at +1)
I haven't noticed any loss in picture qualityFrom a mathematical standpoint, it would make a difference. But, I'm not sure how it makes a difference from a perception standpoint. For example, if you're used to brightness +2 and suddenly have to use +1, it's noticeable.

In any case I'm using:
PURE
contrast 40 (default)
brightness -2
color +20
tint & sharpness 0 (default)
standard energy save (default)
~5hrs/day

From a mathematical standpoint, it would make a difference. But, I'm not sure how it makes a difference from a perception standpoint. For example, if you're used to brightness +2 and suddenly have to use +1, it's noticeable.

In any case I'm using:
PURE
contrast 40 (default)
brightness -2
color +20
tint & sharpness 0 (default)
standard energy save (default)
~5hrs/day

I think you missed my point - what I was saying is - your settngs directly affect how your plasma TV ages...
If you are using high contrast (whch you are, big time) then you are aging your display faster. So you'll likely see the braightness fade more quickly then some one like me who has much lower contrast set.
- you are also risking burn-in nore with high contrast - especially on a new display.
The powersave set to standard also increases the overall brightness compared to power save 2.

Anyway - having said all that, the half life (point at which the display will only be capable of displaying half it's original brightnesss) for most plasmas is conservatively rated at 20,000 hours. Pioneers are rated closer to 30 or 40,000 I believe.

So you're watching it 5 hours a day right...?
Assuming the 20,000 hour rating, it'll take you about 11 years to get to the half life.

for anyone that knows, does the 4360 have rectangular pixels? thanks.

for anyone that knows, does the 4360 have rectangular pixels? thanks.

The 4360 has a native 1024x768 pixel structure which would be 4:3 ratio if the pixels were squares. To fit on a widescreen, they would HAVE to be rectangles.

Current 50" non-1080p Pioneer plasmas have a 1365x768 pixel structure, which is a 16:9 ratio (pixels can stay as squares).

The 4360 has a native 1024x768 pixel structure which would be 4:3 ratio if the pixels were squares. To fit on a widescreen, they would HAVE to be rectangles.

Current 50" non-1080p Pioneer plasmas have a 1365x768 pixel structure, which is a 16:9 ratio (pixels can stay as squares).

damn. i'm looking at trying my hand at building an HTPC, but i've read that rec. pixels can cause issues. should have bought the 5070

damn. i'm looking at trying my hand at building an HTPC, but i've read that rec. pixels can cause issues. should have bought the 5070

I gave up the HTPC route a long time ago. Good luck!

I built an HTPC (linux - Mythtv) and it did take some tweaking to get the picture just like I want it with the 4360. On the other hand, I have another HDTV with rectangular pixels with a similar HTPC and it didn't take much at all. One thing i did noticed that may be related to the rectangular pixels (and I'm just guessing about this) is that when I was using the VGA port (now I use a DVI->HDMI cord) and had the resolution set to 1024x768 whenever there was abrupt movement in DVD or HD playback there would be little freezes in the picture, like stuttering, but only on video, not audio. When I changed the resolution to 1280x768 this went away. This was the case on both TVs (both have a native resolution of 1024x768, but support 1280x768 through VGA). I thought it was always better to send the native resolution, but in this case it wasn't... Could have been the video cards or something else I guess but still odd to me.

I built an HTPC (linux - Mythtv) and it did take some tweaking to get the picture just like I want it with the 4360. On the other hand, I have another HDTV with rectangular pixels with a similar HTPC and it didn't take much at all. One thing i did noticed that may be related to the rectangular pixels (and I'm just guessing about this) is that when I was using the VGA port (now I use a DVI->HDMI cord) and had the resolution set to 1024x768 whenever there was abrupt movement in DVD or HD playback there would be little freezes in the picture, like stuttering, but only on video, not audio. When I changed the resolution to 1280x768 this went away. This was the case on both TVs (both have a native resolution of 1024x768, but support 1280x768 through VGA). I thought it was always better to send the native resolution, but in this case it wasn't... Could have been the video cards or something else I guess but still odd to me.

how would you rate the PQ you were able to achieve with the HTPC and 4360? if i can achieve DVD quality, i'll be happy. HD/BR would be nice down the road, but we'll see what happens. what were your system specs?

EWL,

why'd you give up and how far did you get?

how would you rate the PQ you were able to achieve with the HTPC and 4360? if i can achieve DVD quality, i'll be happy. HD/BR would be nice down the road, but we'll see what happens. what were your system specs?

EWL,

why'd you give up and how far did you get?

I have my HTPC set to output 720P for everything. SDTV looks good, DVDs look really good, and HDTV looks great. Basically, DVDs look just as good as my DVD player (which I have set to upconvert 720p). HDTV looks as good as the output from my cable box.

For the box I have connected to the PIO 4360:
AMD x2 4200
Integrated Nvidia 6150
2GB Ram
250GB hard drive (with multiple external hardrive nicely tucked away - it also acts as a fileserver and webserver and a few other things in my home network).
2 HDTV QAM/ATSC/NTSC tuner cards
Firewire connection to cable box
A couple of logitech rumblepads for my SNES and NES emulators :)
Ubuntu Linux 6.10
Mythtv .20

Of note, I have an older computer (P4 2.6HT, Geforce 440MX) that outputs up to HD quality great as well (it is dual boot Linux and XP, and HD looks great on both sides).

how would you rate the PQ you were able to achieve with the HTPC and 4360? if i can achieve DVD quality, i'll be happy. HD/BR would be nice down the road, but we'll see what happens. what were your system specs?

EWL,

why'd you give up and how far did you get?

Way back in Oct 1998, DVD as a format was maybe a year old already and I figured the least expensive way to get into the game was to buy a PC with a DVD-ROM built in. As you can imagine, it was maybe a a 1x or 2x DVD-ROM and DVD burners were either non-existent or super expensive. That first PC was a Dell Pentium 2 450 Mhz. I think it came with a Turtle Beach soundcard which had surround sound. I hooked up 3 sets of minijack to RCA connectors to a Sony boombox which had 5 speakers (not your typical boombox, eh?) DVD movies were a blast but watching a widescreen on a 17" monitor sucked. The sound was bigger than the picture!

Way back in Oct 1998, DVD as a format was maybe a year old already and I figured the least expensive way to get into the game was to buy a PC with a DVD-ROM built in. As you can imagine, it was maybe a a 1x or 2x DVD-ROM and DVD burners were either non-existent or super expensive. That first PC was a Dell Pentium 2 450 Mhz. I think it came with a TNT videocard and Turtle Beach soundcard which had surround sound. I hooked up 3 sets of minijack to RCA connectors to a Sony boombox which had 5 speakers (not your typical boombox, eh?) DVD movies were a blast but watching a widescreen on a 17" monitor sucked. The sound was bigger than the picture!

Not long afterwards, I read online that some people had this crazy idea of hooking up their PC to the TV in the living room. Since my current setup was nowhere near the living room and TV's with VGA connections are nowhere as abundant as they are now, I decided a new setup was in order. Fast forward to 2004: I purchase a custom ordered Cyberpower PC with AMD AthlonXP 3200+ w/1GB RAM, 2 120GB sATA HD in RAID 1, ATI Radeon 9800XT, and onboard 5.1 surround decoding. I already had a Sony 32" CRT HDTV that had both component and DVI input. I was scared out of connecting my PC to the DVI port on the TV from the manual and possibly damaging a $1400 TV! The only other route was component so I bought ATI's VGA to component dongle. The image was blurry but I was getting HD resolutions on the TV from the PC! I played around with WMVHD demos but they were nothing more than mere toys. Playing Unreal Tournament 2004 and Half Life 2 in widescreen was a blast and the image quality is probably on par with current next gen consoles. The sound was piped via SPDIF to an Onkyo 601 receiver and Polk Audio surround speakers. The following factors are ultimately why I gave up on HTPC:

1) Noise - I had tons of fans in my PC case and the best videocards need HUGE fans, unless exotic methods like water cooling are utilized.
2) My PC chassis did not look like it belonged in the living room. I know Shuttle makes slim form factors and so do others but upgradeability is usually an issue.
3) I purchased a cordless Logitech desktop set and reliability was spotty. This can be a great liability during a first person shooter session.
4) I discovered true home theater and found dedicated devices to be better perforrmers overall and the increased cost was overlooked due to increasing income. :)

The future is home integration and the PS3 sits on my BDI stand. I guess I have a HTPC, sort of...

Not long afterwards, I read online that some people had this crazy idea of hooking up their PC to the TV in the living room. Since my current setup was nowhere near the living room and TV's with VGA connections are nowhere as abundant as they are now, I decided a new setup was in order. Fast forward to 2004: I purchase a custom ordered Cyberpower PC with AMD AthlonXP 3200+ w/1GB RAM, 2 120GB sATA HD in RAID 1, ATI Radeon 9800XT, and onboard 5.1 surround decoding. I already had a Sony 32" CRT HDTV that had both component and DVI input. I was scared out of connecting my PC to the DVI port on the TV from the manual and possibly damaging a $1400 TV! The only other route was component so I bought ATI's VGA to component dongle. The image was blurry but I was getting HD resolutions on the TV from the PC! I played around with WMVHD demos but they were nothing more than mere toys. Playing Unreal Tournament 2004 and Half Life 2 in widescreen was a blast and the image quality is probably on par with current next gen consoles. The sound was piped via SPDIF to an Onkyo 601 receiver and Polk Audio surround speakers. The following factors are ultimately why I gave up on HTPC:

1) Noise - I had tons of fans in my PC case and the best videocards need HUGE fans, unless exotic methods like water cooling are utilized.
2) My PC chassis did not look like it belonged in the living room. I know Shuttle makes slim form factors and so do others but upgradeability is usually an issue.
3) I purchased a cordless Logitech desktop set and reliability was spotty. This can be a great liability during a first person shooter session.
4) I discovered true home theater and found dedicated devices to be better perforrmers overall and the increased cost was overlooked due to increasing income. :)

The future is home integration and the PS3 sits on my BDI stand. I guess I have a HTPC, sort of...

wow, thanks for all the replies guys. i have quite a few DVD's that i don't have space for so i thought it would be much simpler to back them all up on the HTPC along with my extensive collection of MP3's and CD's. that way, i can box up all my CD's and DVD's and have everything contained nicely in one unit in the HTPC. good for parties with the music and easily able to watch movies when I want to. cost savings isn't important to me as much as space savings. living in a townhouse doesn't leave much room for huge libraries of DVDs and CD's.

Newlinux- well i'm glad to see that your setup produced good PQ. i didn't want to go to the expense and hassle of building an HTPC if i'm going to get crappy PQ. did you have problems with overscan?

wow, thanks for all the replies guys. i have quite a few DVD's that i don't have space for so i thought it would be much simpler to back them all up on the HTPC along with my extensive collection of MP3's and CD's. that way, i can box up all my CD's and DVD's and have everything contained nicely in one unit in the HTPC. good for parties with the music and easily able to watch movies when I want to. cost savings isn't important to me as much as space savings. living in a townhouse doesn't leave much room for huge libraries of DVDs and CD's.

Newlinux- well i'm glad to see that your setup produced good PQ. i didn't want to go to the expense and hassle of building an HTPC if i'm going to get crappy PQ. did you have problems with overscan?

Minor overscan issue at first, But Mythtv allowed me to easily move the picture to compensate. It really is identical in PQ to to all my other good sources. I had some tearing at first too, but I was eventually able to get rid of that as well.

I watch all of my recorded tv through HTPCs. I have all of my music and videos stored on hard drives (close to 350GB worth) around the house and the HTPCs allow me to access them from anywhere, and now I never pull out a CD or DVD. The HTPC in the main room (with the 4360) is bookshelf size and integrates nicely with my other components and is quiet (a necessity - It only has a CPU fan. You actually don't need that powerful of a video card for HD, but you do need it for todays games, which I don't play). It only has room for two PCI cards, but I actually don't need much room for expansion because I have many other computers on the network around the house that I can expand and access. I kept it pretty cheap as I build a lot of my computers with used parts. It has replaced my DVD player and DVR (except for premium HD stations). If I didn't watch any premium stations I wouldn't even have a cable box.

It's pretty well integrated - I control it, like all my other components, with a Harmony remote.

However, for those that don't want to go through the hassle of building and tweaking an HTPC I might suggest just using a computer to store media and going the playstation 3/xbox 360 route mentioned earlier, or a HD network player (I have a zensonic z500 networked DVD player which works quite nicely as a frontend in place of an HTPC. There are quite a few other options) that can access the media over the network. Network players weren't enough for me because I wanted a PVR that I could schedule recordings on and stream them anywhere in the house and schedule recordings over the web and a few other features. But the zensonic was almost plug and play...

My system turns out to be a distributed mixture of network devices, HTPC backends, and frontends with access to all my content anywhere in my house (even the laptop runs mythfrontend to access all the recordings, and the network DVD player can play all the music, videos, and recordings from the HTPC PVRs.)

Minor overscan issue at first, But Mythtv allowed me to easily move the picture to compensate. It really is identical in PQ to to all my other good sources. I had some tearing at first too, but I was eventually able to get rid of that as well.

I watch all of my recorded tv through HTPCs. I have all of my music and videos stored on hard drives (close to 350GB worth) around the house and the HTPCs allow me to access them from anywhere, and now I never pull out a CD or DVD. The HTPC in the main room (with the 4360) is bookshelf size and integrates nicely with my other components and is quiet (a necessity - It only has a CPU fan. You actually don't need that powerful of a video card for HD, but you do need it for todays games, which I don't play). It only has room for two PCI cards, but I actually don't need much room for expansion because I have many other computers on the network around the house that I can expand and access. I kept it pretty cheap as I build a lot of my computers with used parts. It has replaced my DVD player and DVR (except for premium HD stations). If I didn't watch any premium stations I wouldn't even have a cable box.

It's pretty well integrated - I control it, like all my other components, with a Harmony remote.

However, for those that don't want to go through the hassle of building and tweaking an HTPC I might suggest just using a computer to store media and going the playstation 3/xbox 360 route mentioned earlier, or a HD network player (I have a zensonic z500 networked DVD player which works quite nicely as a frontend in place of an HTPC. There are quite a few other options) that can access the media over the network. Network players weren't enough for me because I wanted a PVR that I could schedule recordings on and stream them anywhere in the house and schedule recordings over the web and a few other features. But the zensonic was almost plug and play...

My system turns out to be a distributed mixture of network devices, HTPC backends, and frontends with access to all my content anywhere in my house (even the laptop runs mythfrontend to access all the recordings, and the network DVD player can play all the music, videos, and recordings from the HTPC PVRs.)

newlinux, your setup sounds like how I would have arranged my home had I not abandoned HTPC. Unfortunately, I still do play the occasional PC game and that kind of kills the silent HTPC. Actually, one very important reason why I stopped HTPC that I failed to mention was playing around with the Powerstrip timings to match my TV. I never could get rid of overscan entirely. Have you tried feeding 72Hz to your Pioneer or is that not allowed?

newlinux, your setup sounds like how I would have arranged my home had I not abandoned HTPC. Unfortunately, I still do play the occasional PC game and that kind of kills the silent HTPC. Actually, one very important reason why I stopped HTPC that I failed to mention was playing around with the Powerstrip timings to match my TV. I never could get rid of overscan entirely. Have you tried feeding 72Hz to your Pioneer or is that not allowed?

for the Powerstrip newb, how hard is it to learn and is it a necessity for the 4360? Does MythTV do the same thing?

newlinux, your setup sounds like how I would have arranged my home had I not abandoned HTPC. Unfortunately, I still do play the occasional PC game and that kind of kills the silent HTPC. Actually, one very important reason why I stopped HTPC that I failed to mention was playing around with the Powerstrip timings to match my TV. I never could get rid of overscan entirely. Have you tried feeding 72Hz to your Pioneer or is that not allowed?

I did play with the frequencies a bit, but I don't remember what I ended up with. Whatever it is, combined with my other settings, it looks great now, so I don't even worry about it (if it ain't broke - don't break it when it comes to this). Overscan is completely gone. I have to say, the Pio was pretty picky about various settings, and took way more time to get the picture right than any of my other TVs/Monitors. It took more time getting right than any all my other display devices combined. Might have been the hardware (video card) - might be just difficult to do in Linux.

Yeah, games add high powered cards, which in addition to generating a lot of heat, are a lot more expensive, and you can't get them integrated into the motherboard to save space (and cost). But they are getting more and more powerful cards that are fanless and/or have quiet fans.

I did play with the frequencies a bit, but I don't remember what I ended up with. Whatever it is, combined with my other settings, it looks great now, so I don't even worry about it (if it ain't broke - don't break it when it comes to this). Overscan is completely gone. I have to say, the Pio was pretty picky about various settings, and took way more time to get the picture right than any of my other TVs/Monitors. It took more time getting right than any all my other display devices combined. Might have been the hardware (video card) - might be just difficult to do in Linux.

Yeah, games add high powered cards, which in addition to generating a lot of heat, are a lot more expensive, and you can't get them integrated into the motherboard to save space (and cost). But they are getting more and more powerful cards that are fanless and/or have quiet fans.

One thing which will make HTPC a little harder in the future is the move away from HDMI to a new connection recently approved by VESA called DisplayPort. I highly doubt any TV manufacturer (CE in general) will just dump HDMI to support DisplayPort. Just when you think convergence was here, someone throws a wall b/w the PC and Home Theater world.

I have a bunch of images that I'd love to run through the Home Gallery (via the PCMCIA card that plugs into the media receiver of the 1130HD). I generally take large megapixel images and the max pixel size is "less than" 2400 x 1800 according to the manual. I figured no problem - I'll just reduce the dimensions of the images with Photoshop to fall below the stated parameters. Unfortunately, the Gallery thumbnails only show as yellow triangles containing exclamation marks. I've tried everything and have practically memorized the manual (pages 79-81). The pics are native JPG - they are the typical JPG 4:2:0 - and the proportions are constrained to maintain the original height x width ratio, but something in this simple single-step post-processing renders them unusable to the Home Media Gallery. To be fair, the manual does state that post-processed images may present problems, but all I'm doing is reducing the size of JPGs to fit below the 2400 x 1800 pixel dimensions required. Pics from the same camera that are taken at 1600 X 1200 work fine, so it's not the camera per se.

My question - can anyone hazard a guess (hopefully educated) as to just what in the post-processing renders the images unusable in Gallery? Any ideas on a work around? I'm reluctant to burn to CD only because I think the best quality images would be directly from the card to the Home Gallery.

Thanks,

Lee

My 1130 turn off at exactly 10:00pm PST today. I turned on the display and press the TV Guide. It stated that it needed to reinitialize. I checked the clock on the Guide and it was cleared. I then went to adjust the clock and I was able to change it.

Anyone had the same shutdown and clock resolution at 10:00pm PST?

I have a bunch of images that I'd love to run through the Home Gallery (via the PCMCIA card that plugs into the media receiver of the 1130HD). I generally take large megapixel images and the max pixel size is "less than" 2400 x 1800 according to the manual. I figured no problem - I'll just reduce the dimensions of the images with Photoshop to fall below the stated parameters. Unfortunately, the Gallery thumbnails only show as yellow triangles containing exclamation marks. I've tried everything and have practically memorized the manual (pages 79-81). The pics are native JPG - they are the typical JPG 4:2:0 - and the proportions are constrained to maintain the original height x width ratio, but something in this simple single-step post-processing renders them unusable to the Home Media Gallery. To be fair, the manual does state that post-processed images may present problems, but all I'm doing is reducing the size of JPGs to fit below the 2400 x 1800 pixel dimensions required. Pics from the same camera that are taken at 1600 X 1200 work fine, so it's not the camera per se.

My question - can anyone hazard a guess (hopefully educated) as to just what in the post-processing renders the images unusable in Gallery? Any ideas on a work around? I'm reluctant to burn to CD only because I think the best quality images would be directly from the card to the Home Gallery.

Thanks,

Lee

I'm curious about this as well. I haven't tried it yet, but I've wondered if resizing would cause a problem.

Does anyone know if this TV supports the "extended" black level...ie blacker than black images? The new updates for the PS3 and Xbox 360 added expanded blakc level options and I'm curious what to set them at.

Also if anyone can post recommended settings on the PS3s newly released firmware (1.80) that would be appreciated.

For comparison i found these settings work well.
- 1080i output
- Yc/Yb/Yr BR/DVD Output
- RGB Limited
- Superwhite ON

My 1140 HD picture is great on Dish Network HD. What am I missing though? The regular dish programs look horrible. I am running through an HDMI cable. TV is set at 720p. Help!!

I am thinking of purchasing 1140hd online,

Also with the new ones coming out in about a month, does it make sense to wait for the price on 1140 to drop?

Thanks for your help.

-Eugene

Has anyone purchased a " Service Manual" from Pioneer for a pdp5060hd that has the steps to gain acces to the service manual? I removed the cover of my Media Receiver to clean the fan and triggered a switch that diables the media receiver. The apparent step to reset is in the "service menu" of the tv, I learned the steps to gain acces to my service menu from Bruzziforum. The steps do not work for my situation. I am trying to avoid taking my tv in for service over something that can be accessed in a menu and I was hoping that the service manual would help.
Pioneers website has four service manuals listed, and I am not sure which one is the one I need. Of course pioneers customer service is reluctant to tell me which manual is correct, and I do not think they actually know.

Any help would be great.

Has anyone purchased a " Service Manual" from Pioneer for a pdp5060hd that has the steps to gain acces to the service manual? I removed the cover of my Media Receiver to clean the fan and triggered a switch that diables the media receiver. The apparent step to reset is in the "service menu" of the tv, I learned the steps to gain acces to my service menu from Bruzziforum. The steps do not work for my situation. I am trying to avoid taking my tv in for service over something that can be accessed in a menu and I was hoping that the service manual would help.
Pioneers website has four service manuals listed, and I am not sure which one is the one I need. Of course pioneers customer service is reluctant to tell me which manual is correct, and I do not think they actually know.

Any help would be great.

not sure, but i think there's hope. someone on here did the exact same thing, except he had to have a tech come out to fix it. hopefully he knows the solution now. you can always search this thread.

hey y'all, I just ordered an Elite Pro-940 after obsessing between that and a Panny 77U. (I have a 6 y.o. panny 50" 5UY and am happy with it, need to move it to the bedroom as our new TV room can only accomodate a 42"....7.5 foot viewing distance makes any SD way too harsh and tiring on a 50", I tested it out at great length.) Gonna pair this with an HD-DVD player and steal my buddy's PS3 for Blu-Rays...

Anyways, I've read that on some Pio models people get network logo burn-in after several months, while others get a buzzing that is just too loud WHILE WATCHING the tv (not only when it is off). Anybody heard about these things with the Pro-940?

Burn-in scares the hell out of me for something that costs this much and I plan to use for 5+ years (My panny is still just awesome though it's 7 years old) I have 15 days to return...should I keep it, be blown away with the picture, and then pray? :-)

Finally, I bought a 5 year warranty for $500 (doubles up the Elite warrantys first 2 years). Thoughts? They'll give back $250 of it if nothing ever goes wrong...sort of a rip I think, maybe I'll downgrade to the 3-yr warranty for $300...can't decide.

Thanks so much y'all for any thoughts or advice! -Rob

hey y'all, I just ordered an Elite Pro-940 after obsessing between that and a Panny 77U. (I have a 6 y.o. panny 50" 5UY and am happy with it, need to move it to the bedroom as our new TV room can only accomodate a 42"....7.5 foot viewing distance makes any SD way too harsh and tiring on a 50", I tested it out at great length.) Gonna pair this with an HD-DVD player and steal my buddy's PS3 for Blu-Rays...

Anyways, I've read that on some Pio models people get network logo burn-in after several months, while others get a buzzing that is just too loud WHILE WATCHING the tv (not only when it is off). Anybody heard about these things with the Pro-940?

Burn-in scares the hell out of me for something that costs this much and I plan to use for 5+ years (My panny is still just awesome though it's 7 years old) I have 15 days to return...should I keep it, be blown away with the picture, and then pray? :-)

Finally, I bought a 5 year warranty for $500 (doubles up the Elite warrantys first 2 years). Thoughts? They'll give back $250 of it if nothing ever goes wrong...sort of a rip I think, maybe I'll downgrade to the 3-yr warranty for $300...can't decide.

Thanks so much y'all for any thoughts or advice! -Rob

Read in this thread about break in and image retention / burn in concerns:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=731242

Here is the Pioneer 7th generation thread as well:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=672745

As far as the warranty, I would save my money and just stick with the 2 year that the Elite comes with. Most warranties (Pio's included) won't cover burn in anyway.

Using common sense helps to avoid image retention / burn in. I have broken our sets in with the break in DVD referenced in the first thread I've linked here, and don't have a problem with it at all. If I get a little bit of temporary image retention, the disc washes it away.

That first thread will talk ad nauseum about how to avoid what you are afraid of. It's not that bad, and really isn't that common with the 7g Pioneers.

The buzzing varies from panel to panel, but can be reduced/eliminated by reducing contrast and setting the panel to power save 2. If it is still loud enough to hear from your listening position while watching TV, then you probably have a defective set.

awesome, thx NemoZorro I will educate my phospors most diligently, and wash em periodically, though I will state that it was never of slightest concern on my 7 y.o. panny. :-)

So, am I gonna be amazed with the Pro-940 showing HD-DVD, especially 1080/24p? (though the latest Toshiba HD-XA2 which I'm going to order won't support that until a future firmware update, reportedly) I just can't wait and have very high expectations!

awesome, thx NemoZorro I will educate my phospors most diligently, and wash em periodically, though I will state that it was never of slightest concern on my 7 y.o. panny. :-)

So, am I gonna be amazed with the Pro-940 showing HD-DVD, especially 1080/24p? (though the latest Toshiba HD-XA2 which I'm going to order won't support that until a future firmware update, reportedly) I just can't wait and have very high expectations!

No worries.

I'm blown away by the 1080p/24 on our 1130 and 1140 panels - it really makes a difference to my eyes.

Congrats and welcome to the club!

i was wondering how people ARE getting a 1080p/24 signal to their TVs. None of the HD-DVD players seem to be outputting such a signal. ??? Maybe the Blu-Ray players?

my PDP-4360 proved to be the wrong display choice for this gamer.... :(

I love playing Xbox360 and I particularly love playing Gears of War online multiplayer.

I've been playing it pretty consistently a couple times a week since it came out last November and alas the white gun icon in the upper right corner of the screen is permanently burned in. its not very noticable but I see it, particularly during light colored, moving scenes (like a panning shot of sand dunes or a blue sky). its not as bad as a white gun forever sitting up there on my screen but the mark is there. and because the Pioneers (atleast the base models, not the Elites) are devoid of any kind of built-in burn in prevention i.e. white screen setting or pixel-rotation I got myself a really long VGA cable and I plug it into my Mac and make white sceens in Photoshop that I leave on for 10-20 minutes at a time. this seems to help a little.

but alas I love Pioneer, I've been a devoted fan since I was just a kid and I love Gears of War. I kind of look at it like rock chips on a Ferrari- atleast you were out driving the thing and getting some use out of it, right?

end the end though I'll probably try and sell it in a year or two and just get a 1080p LCD. if I can find one that even comes close to the beauty of my Pio.

and finally- I'm getting a new Pioneer VSX-917 A/V receiver shipped to me next week and noticed it featured SR+ control. anyone ever use this on a PDP and a VSX before? is it cool or what? I'm curious about what to expect. thanks

unstuck

unstuck

Makes me kinda sad . . . :(

Makes me kinda sad . . . :(

Ha ha - yeah me too.
but the new models are coming and us "old timers" with sets that are more then a year old need to move over.
the reality is - why do we still read these forums after we are "done" researching our purchases, and configuration?

I got my 4360 last year just as they were discontinued - I have enjoyed the hell out of it since then, and yeah the newer models regular price is as low as the "blow-out" price I got teh discontinued model for, but I have enjoyed it since then and can't complain.

I am interested in hearing if the new "8th gen" pios actually have 80% "better blacks" but I will still not plan to upgrade until I am doing an entire over haul on my home theater - and seeing as I just finished the audio side of the set-up - that won't be for ATLEAST 5 years.

dark photo of my set-up, shortly after getting the 4360! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=582071&page=140&pp=30)

I'd like to say, thanks to all those that contributed to this thread - it was tremendously helpful to me last year.
I am sad to see it be "unstuck" but happy to make room for the new stuff, and the new users that will soon be here, as I was last year.

I'll continue to reply to threads and offer any info I have gleaned when I stop by from time to time, but I don't suspect I'll be posting threads looking for new info anytime soon.

thanks again AVS members!

So i think my Panny DVD playing is dying about a year and a half after I bought it. What are y'all using as your DVD player? I've previously tried Oppo and hated it. I liked my panny but either it or the input it's on is going on the fritz. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for me. So... what y'all using?

So i think my Panny DVD playing is dying about a year and a half after I bought it. What are y'all using as your DVD player? I've previously tried Oppo and hated it. I liked my panny but either it or the input it's on is going on the fritz. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for me. So... what y'all using?

I have Oppo 971 and Pioneer Elite 59AVi (also PS3). What didn't you like about the Oppo and which one did you try? Did you have macroblocking?

Oppo 970 (was ok but now collecting dust)

HD-A2

I have the OPPO971, and I love it.
The fact that it plays almost every format and file type is also plus.
- why did you hate yours?

I am waiting for the samsung dual format HD-DVD/Blu Ray player...
Hopefully it'll also upscale SD DVD as well as the OPPO97 does.

I use a zensonic networked upconverting DVD player (z500) sometimes, but most of the time I use my HTPC.

I have the OPPO971, and I love it.
The fact that it plays almost every format and file type is also plus.
- why did you hate yours?

I am waiting for the samsung dual format HD-DVD/Blu Ray player...
Hopefully it'll also upscale SD DVD as well as the OPPO97 does.

I had the 971 and no matter how I tweaked it I had lip syncing issues. It sucked! Might conisder the 970 though, all HDMI.

I had the 971 and no matter how I tweaked it I had lip syncing issues. It sucked! Might conisder the 970 though, all HDMI.

Did you always have the latest firmware installed? I had syncing issues but they were eventually resolved.

Did you always have the latest firmware installed? I had syncing issues but they were eventually resolved.

I didn't have patience for eventually. It was an unexcusable problem, turned a movie over with friends into a joke and was embarrasing. My panny has a superb picture, I wish I knew why it was flaking out. I'm going to test the new Pioneer DV-400V and the Sony DVP-NS75H and then maybe test the winner with the Oppo 970.

I didn't have patience for eventually. It was an unexcusable problem, turned a movie over with friends into a joke and was embarrasing. My panny has a superb picture, I wish I knew why it was flaking out. I'm going to test the new Pioneer DV-400V and the Sony DVP-NS75H and then maybe test the winner with the Oppo 970.

I can understand when a customer wants full functionality out of the box and that is every customer's right. Unfortunately, we have entered the "internet era" where patches and firmware updates are more common than ever before. Microsoft is probably the easiest example and the PS3 now has upconversion capability even though it is first and foremost a gaming console.

If you never updated your Oppo's firmware, then you missed out on additional functionality like playback position memory, besides the obvious fixes.

I may sound like I am making excuses for companies to be sloppy but we do live in an age where WiFi spots are as common as your local Starbucks. If you want the functionality you paid for, a knowledgable salesperson/neighbor is your best friend.

So i think my Panny DVD playing is dying about a year and a half after I bought it. What are y'all using as your DVD player? I've previously tried Oppo and hated it. I liked my panny but either it or the input it's on is going on the fritz. No HD-DVD or Blu-Ray for me. So... what y'all using?

The Pio 79 - I love it and you can probably get a good deal if you can still find one. It's a fantastic all around transport.

some initial differences between the sony and the pioneer dvd player

sony seems to be stripping some of the LFE from the dolby soundtrack in Clone Wars. Both players get different menu art, bizarre.

some initial differences between the sony and the pioneer dvd player

sony seems to be stripping some of the LFE from the dolby soundtrack in Clone Wars. Both players get different menu art, bizarre.

The Star Wars prequel DVD's are designed to have random "planet art" every time you stick it into the DVD player. I think there is a way to force the same menu but I don't remember how to do it.

Are you using an HDMI receiver? Some receivers have an LFE bug through HDMI.

As per the many previous discussions and posts on the above title/topic I would like to clarify something. When my PS3 is playing a Blu-ray movie on my 930 and I press input, it says HDMI 1080i and not just HDMI. Therefore, I believe I'm not getting the benefit of reduced judder. Is this correct? Also, somehow I believe that 1080p/24 HD players will only 'lock in' (having benefit of reduced judder) with the Pro1130/930 6th gen series only if they are Pioneer Elite Blu-ray players (at this point in time).

Care to clarify my questions? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

As per the many previous discussions and posts on the above title/topic I would like to clarify something. When my PS3 is playing a Blu-ray movie on my 930 and I press input, it says HDMI 1080i and not just HDMI. Therefore, I believe I'm not getting the benefit of reduced judder. Is this correct? Also, somehow I believe that 1080p/24 HD players will only 'lock in' (having benefit of reduced judder) with the Pro1130/930 6th gen series only if they are Pioneer Elite Blu-ray players (at this point in time).

Care to clarify my questions? It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

There are a couple of things that may be in the way of your 1080p/24 connection:

1) A receiver is in b/w that does not pass the 1080p/24 signal.
2) Your 930 build date is closer to when it first came out.

Like you, I have failed to get the 1080p/24 from my PS3 to my 1130 but it may be because of my plasma build. NemoZorro has the same TV as me but his plasma is newer than mine.

There are a couple of things that may be in the way of your 1080p/24 connection:

1) A receiver is in b/w that does not pass the 1080p/24 signal.
2) Your 930 build date is closer to when it first came out.

Like you, I have failed to get the 1080p/24 from my PS3 to my 1130 but it may be because of my plasma build. NemoZorro has the same TV as me but his plasma is newer than mine.

That is correct. My guess is that they started including the feature in the later panel builds in order to "test" it for the 7gs around the corner.

It will definitely say HDMI, and the screen setting, like FULL, but list no resolution if it is working properly. I am using a Pioneer BDP-HD1 player with it set to source direct, and the only setting on the panel is Pro Cinema is ADV. Others have noticed this too, but it could simply be that the later panels have them.

I have also confirmed this with Pioneer support; they are certainly aware that the feature exists, just that they won't support issues with it as it wasn't a listed feature.

Try an HDMI cable directly to the panel from your PS3. If that doesn't work, like EWL5 said, it is probably a build date then.

Thanks EWL5 and NemoZorro for responding and clarifying this issue for me.

Hi everyone,
I have a problem with my Pioneer 930HD and Denon 5910 setup that I can't quite explain. The Denon 5910's connected to the Pioneer with a 20' HDMI cable, and it's gradually harder to pick up the handshake when I switch between Input 1 (which has a Tivo Series 3 connected to it through an HDMI cable) and Input 3 (where the 5910's connected). At first the automatic 1080i upscaling on the Denon wasn't producing a picture unless I shut off the player & TV for a few minutes, turned on both again, switched between Inputs 1 and 3, and then let the Pioneer get "used" to a 480p/576i picture for a few minutes on Input 3 before the upscaling picture was visible.

Now it seems that the Pioneer won't recognize the 5910's HDMI connection at all. I've went and reconnected cables, turned on/off both machines for a few minutes before starting over, to no avail. I'm going to try a new HDMI cable, but I vaguely remember an old 930HD thread talking about this happening. Are there specific inputs on the Tivo's "Live TV" that I should use to avoid confusing the 930? What's going on? Is it indeed an HDMI problem?

The Better Cables HDMI connecting the Denon to the Pioneer's barely a year old, by the way.

Hello everyone.

I don't want to cross post, however, I feel this finding deserves to be reposted for those who are interested. Its about 1080p24 acceptance feature on the Elite media boxes for the Pro930/1130.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schteevie
Has anyone tested a 1080P input on the 6th gen Pios?
There was never an official mention of it being supported, but I have heard some where on the forums that it works...

I have a 4360, but haven't had a chance to test it.

thnx



Schteevie

There has been some discussion of this undocumented feature the last few months on these discussion boards. I have the Pro930 6th gen and I thought that I would not be able to take advantage of the 1080P24 acceptance feature because I thought it was only added to STB media boxes that had later production run dates. For example, NemmoZorro reported that his Pro1130 STB media box had a Manufacture / production date of Feb 2006 and he reported that he was getting the 'floating HDMI' only reading when fed a 1080p24 signal. My media box had production date of Dec 2005 and I thought that I missed this undocumented feature add on.

However, I am happy to report that with my PS3, yes the wonderful PS3, and with the forced 1080p24 firmware upgrade 1.9, I now have the floating HDMI signal display. I became excited when I played Blackhawk Down, during the FBI warning it said HDMI 1080i. However, when the actual movie started, the picture locked into the 1080p24 mode and the upper right hand screen flashed 'HDMI'with no 1080i below it. Therefore, I now know that I can take advantage of this feature. And even if its not perfect with total elimination of judder, I would argue that I see a big difference.

However, it might be the 6th gen elites can only take advantage of this hidden feature but not the 'non-Elite'version. I suggest if you have a PS3 with 1.9 firmware or a friend that does, do a test and see what happens.

As I side note I wish more 6 gen owners chimed in the 6th gen plasma forum to share this 'hidden feature' experience and their STB box manufacture date etc.

Thanks

Hmmmm

i have a 4360 and just got a Philips 3575 DVD recorder with 1080p upconvert. I will have to try this and see if it works.

Now this 1080p24 firmware you talk about, it is basically forcing 1080p into your TV? What would happen if you tried this on some old TV with like 720p? Would it show nothing? Would the TV downconvert to it's highest res?

I am busy tonight, but I'll see what I can do with my 4360. Maybe someone else already knows the answer?

Hello everyone.

I don't want to cross post, however, I feel this finding deserves to be reposted for those who are interested. Its about 1080p24 acceptance feature on the Elite media boxes for the Pro930/1130.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Schteevie
Has anyone tested a 1080P input on the 6th gen Pios?
There was never an official mention of it being supported, but I have heard some where on the forums that it works...

I have a 4360, but haven't had a chance to test it.

thnx



Schteevie

There has been some discussion of this undocumented feature the last few months on these discussion boards. I have the Pro930 6th gen and I thought that I would not be able to take advantage of the 1080P24 acceptance feature because I thought it was only added to STB media boxes that had later production run dates. For example, NemmoZorro reported that his Pro1130 STB media box had a Manufacture / production date of Feb 2006 and he reported that he was getting the 'floating HDMI' only reading when fed a 1080p24 signal. My media box had production date of Dec 2005 and I thought that I missed this undocumented feature add on.

However, I am happy to report that with my PS3, yes the wonderful PS3, and with the forced 1080p24 firmware upgrade 1.9, I now have the floating HDMI signal display. I became excited when I played Blackhawk Down, during the FBI warning it said HDMI 1080i. However, when the actual movie started, the picture locked into the 1080p24 mode and the upper right hand screen flashed 'HDMI'with no 1080i below it. Therefore, I now know that I can take advantage of this feature. And even if its not perfect with total elimination of judder, I would argue that I see a big difference.

However, it might be the 6th gen elites can only take advantage of this hidden feature but not the 'non-Elite'version. I suggest if you have a PS3 with 1.9 firmware or a friend that does, do a test and see what happens.

As I side note I wish more 6 gen owners chimed in the 6th gen plasma forum to share this 'hidden feature' experience and their STB box manufacture date etc.

Thanks

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!

My 4360 is having video drop outs when I am watching over the air digital stations. My signal is weak but it has never done this. I dont lose sound only video. It flashes twice and then goes black with sound still normal. Any thoughts??

Weak signals can cause all types of anomalies. Just because you didn't have video drop outs in the past doesn't mean they should/would not even happen.

It wouldnt have anything to do with some video board or the atsc tuner?

Occam's razor. The simplest solution is probably right.

I wouldn't get too crazy about replacing my tuner and video board until I was dang sure it wasn't the signal. You need to get a better signal to test with. If you're getting +80 or something, then start worrying about the TV itself.

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!

Thats really interesting... I'll have to try this tonight. I have a 74txvi avr in the middle though.

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!


So, does the new firmware on the PS3 allow it to send 24fps straight off the disc, without any conversion to/from 60fps? If so, then I'm in.

Well, I bit the bullet and purchased a PS3. I can confirm that my Elite Pro-1130HD is handling the 1080p24fps straight of the BR disc just fine. The resolution indicator does not show, but it does show HDMI (there's just no resolution shown where it normally would).

Watched Flyboys and thought it looked fantastic using Advanced 3:3 mode. Nice to know that all that is happening to the movie is a conversion from 1080 to 768.

Thats really interesting... I'll have to try this tonight. I have a 74txvi avr in the middle though.

I have an 84TX as a receiver and that for sure was advertised to pass 1080p/24. The 74 may be a different story. Try connecting directly to the TV as well, just for testing purposes. ;)

Anyone with warping on the bezel like this (picture below)? It's very distracting. Many sets seem to have this problem and I took pictures of a set at Best Buy, but they're not as bad as mine.

A Pioneer rep mentioned that I have to prove it's not a manufacturing defect and that I have to pay to have it inspected by a repair facility. It's still under warranty. She's probably a little inexperienced and probably didn't give the appropriate response. I'm a little mad about it.

Anyone with warping on the bezel like this (picture below)? It's very distracting. Many sets seem to have this problem and I took pictures of a set at Best Buy, but they're not as bad as mine.

A Pioneer rep mentioned that I have to prove it's not a manufacturing defect and that I have to pay to have it inspected by a repair facility. It's still under warranty. She's probably a little inexperienced and probably didn't give the appropriate response. I'm a little mad about it.


I think that's normal. Mine is not perfectly flat. The high-gloss finish is going to reveal even the slightest waviness to the bezel's surface.

I will add that I don't have the set's speaker connected, so the bezel is not between something as is the case with yours. With the speakers attached, I can see how you might focus on it. Still, I doub't it is a defect.

I think that's normal. Mine is not perfectly flat. The high-gloss finish is going to reveal even the slightest waviness to the bezel's surface.

I will add that I don't have the set's speaker connected, so the bezel is not between something as is the case with yours. With the speakers attached, I can see how you might focus on it. Still, I doub't it is a defect.That's kind of what I think. Yet, I also think it's a defect in design, thus a manufacturer defect.

That's kind of what I think. Yet, I also think it's a defect in design, thus a manufacturer defect.


Hard to argue defective design for something that is aesthetic and does not affect performance.

Now, my Sony CRT has wavy glass - there's a better argument there for design or manufacturing defect, since it affects geometry. Of course, geometry on a CRT is not perfect anyway, so the argument gets much harder.

Hard to argue defective design for something that is aesthetic and does not affect performance.

Now, my Sony CRT has wavy glass - there's a better argument there for design or manufacturing defect, since it affects geometry. Of course, geometry on a CRT is not perfect anyway, so the argument gets much harder.Probably true. It does distract my viewing quality because my eyes are alway fixated on it. For a customer who paid ~ $6K for it, I'd consider that as performance... just looking for any excuse.

Thats really interesting... I'll have to try this tonight. I have a 74txvi avr in the middle though.

I do too and have never tried the video through as I assumed it would not pass the 1080p/24. I believe the 8x series needed a firmware upgrade out of the box to do so. Curious to see if it works.......

With the 1.9 PS3 update, I can confirm that my Pro1130HD now is accepting 1080p/24. I also thought it was a build issue, but does not seem to be the case.
I am glad for the "forced" 1080p/24 mode from firmware update 1.9!

Glad it is working for you!

Glad it is working for you!

I don't think anybody can make a judgment on what judder really is until there's a lack of it in the picture. My best description is SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH!

I don't think anybody can make a judgment on what judder really is until there's a lack of it in the picture. My best description is SMOOOOOOOOOOOTH!

Very good point - I see it so much now with SD-DVDs where I hardly ever saw it before because I'm so used to the 24 input......

I do too and have never tried the video through as I assumed it would not pass the 1080p/24. I believe the 8x series needed a firmware upgrade out of the box to do so. Curious to see if it works.......

Since we're on the topic . . .

In addition to the Pro1130HD, I have an Elite VSX-80TXV receiver that switches HDMI but does not do HDMI audio. I have not previously connected my video sources through the receiver, opting instead to go HDMI straight to the Plasma's media receiver. Since there are only two HDMI inputs on the Plasma, and since I now have 3 HDMI sources (D* HR20, OPPO DVD, PS3), I am now running the DVD and PS3 through the receiver into a single input on the Plasma (I still have the sat receiver connected directly). I can confirm that with the 24p turned to ON in the PS3, the VSX80TXV is passing the signal just fine.

And before someone says it, I realize I could remove the OPPO from the mix, but it sends 480i via HDMI which the PS3 does not do. That, and the fact that the PS3 doesn't have IR remote capability means I'm still watching DVDs on the OPPO.

I can confirm that with the 24p turned to ON in the PS3, the VSX80TXV is passing the signal just fine.

That is good news - I was looking for a while to replace my 74 receiver, but got scared away with the potential firmware update process. I was told by several places that it had to be sent away for this, and my question was always "why couldn't it be done beforehand?" Sounds like they must have figured out this, as I was looking at the 8x series early on.

I have a Pioneer PDP-4360.
I purchased it about a year ago but didn't get to use it for more than one month as I moved out of the apartment I was living in at the time.. DAMN GIRLFRIEND! hahaha
Anyway.. I recently moved and hook her it back up! I was so excited just to watch tv on it again..but I am having MAJOR ISSUES!!!

#1 The media box when in standby mode will often go back to the flashing blue light with out me doing anything...
#2 after watching TV for about a half hour the TV montior just turns back to standby and the media box has the flashing blue light again. If I turn it back on it somethings shows the STANDBY Message.... sometimes it will come back on to and recieve the cable signal.

I have the HD/DVR box from Time warner cable. Its the Scientific Atlanta HD Explorer box if someone needs that info.

I have shut off the AUTO size as someone told me with the HDMI conection you need to shut that off. I am at a loss at this point. I thought the media box may have been getting to warm in the cabinet but I have a small fan back there with it and that still doesn't help it.

Please help me!! I need my TV! hahaha Thanks for any tips and advice!

Solar78

Turn off the TVGOS and auto time (clock) update.

What is TVGOS? TV guide? I don't use that...
How do I turn off the time feature you mention?

Thanks for the help!!

TVGOS = TV Guide. You turn it off by entering all zeros for the zipcode during the TVGOS setup. The clock update in located in the tuner menu.

TV just did it again for the seventh time tonight!

I can't figure this out for the life of me!

I set the TV guide to 0's. The tuner option is not available based on the settings I have. Although I am not clear as to why not. And what settings are causing this to not be available.

I think I may just sell it and buy a TV with NO MEDIA box... seems to be a really big issue here... and I am tired of it.

Thanks for the help.

Got out of bed this morning and of course the media box has the blinking blue light. What could this possibly be!

Watching TV in intervals is just not fun at all!

I had this before and disabling the guide (set the zipcode to all 0s) and then unplug for 30 seconds and plug back in worked for me. I guess you've already tried this... Maybe you should call customer support, or go online and look at their knowledge base.

I think the tuner option will be available if you switch the TV input to tuner A or B.

I honestly don't get what is happening with this TV.
I was watching TV last night for hours on end.. and no issues.. didn't turn off once.
This morning I woke up... the blue light on the media box is flashing again.
I unplug both the cable box and the media box... plug them back in.. and my TV will now not show any picture. I know the cable is working because I have internet and it worked last night....

Someone help! This TV was not worth the money to me at this point... So frustrated.
Thanks...

I honestly don't get what is happening with this TV.
I was watching TV last night for hours on end.. and no issues.. didn't turn off once.
This morning I woke up... the blue light on the media box is flashing again.
I unplug both the cable box and the media box... plug them back in.. and my TV will now not show any picture. I know the cable is working because I have internet and it worked last night....

Someone help! This TV was not worth the money to me at this point... So frustrated.
Thanks...

One thing to consider; just because your cable modem is working doesn't mean the TV channels are working correctly, and vice versa.

I read you did the 00000 for the TV Guide, but did your unplug for at least 30 seconds to do a full reset?

I honestly don't get what is happening with this TV.
I was watching TV last night for hours on end.. and no issues.. didn't turn off once.
This morning I woke up... the blue light on the media box is flashing again.
I unplug both the cable box and the media box... plug them back in.. and my TV will now not show any picture. I know the cable is working because I have internet and it worked last night....

Someone help! This TV was not worth the money to me at this point... So frustrated.
Thanks...

I'm getting in on this pretty late, but will offer my 2 cents, given I faced this issue before. You write that you have a cable box connected. I assume that you are connecting the box to the MR via component or HDMI cables, but in event that you have the cable box connected to the MR via a coax cable, disconnecting that feed might help.

In my case, I have satellite, but I also was running a coax feed from an antenna to the MR to watch OTA digital HD channels. When I was getting the blue light, instead of zeroing out my TVGOS, I simply unplugged the coax cable from the box. Problem was resolved and it didn't blink the next morning. I eventually reconnected the coax antenna feed and haven't had any problems.

I think the reason this worked, was there was that the TVGOS stream in my local PBS channel was corrupted for a time (or that was my conclusion from reading other threads). By disconnecting the cable, I eliminated that issue. When I reconnected it several days later, I guess the TVGOS stream had been repaired.

YMMV of course.

No more 4360 for me! I'm selling/trading my PDP-4360HD tomorrow. I'll be getting either a a) PRO110FD b) PDP-5010FD or c) PRO1150HD. It's decision making time.

Alas a tale of woe:

Our 1130 had an intermittent minor problem (full screen of snow when changing channels or inputs) and the local authorized Pioneer service tech did a system reset through the service menu (as, he said, directed by Pioneer).

Since then, we cannot get TV reception via CableCard. Comcast has put four or five cards in, configured them for hours (but always unable to get an IP address), and finally gotten them to display the analog, digital, and HD stations to which we subscribe. Yet, the day after the Comcast tech leaves, we again get no channels. If I unplug the CableCard and plug it in again to the MR, we get analog stations (but have to punch in channel numbers directly, rather than use the up/down channel key on the remote) since the MR seems not to be functioning in the signal path. We've also disconnected the cable feed to the MR, power cycled the MR by unplugging it, letting it sit awhile, and plugging it in again. An interesting symptom is that now the TV takes awhile to start (perhaps the MR searching for signal).

I couldn't find anything on the Pioneer FAQs or Knowledgebase, on in AVS threads, so I'm asking for your expertise. Thanks very much for any help you might offer.

Rich

Anyone still have the original 5060 tabletop stand that came with this plasma TV? Would prefer one that is NIB and complete with Pioneer supplied hardware and install manual.
Just PM me with what you would sell it for including shipping. Thanks

I'm posting this for a female friend trying to get her Pioneer PDP 4361 HD TV connected using S-Video.

I have everything hooked up correctly using S-Video but I get sound with no picture. The only way to get a picture is to hookup the composite video cable. The same thing happens when I try to use component video...no picture only sound.

I'm hooking up the 4361 HD to a Direct TV Satellite box (model R15).

Is there anything in the MENU of the 4361 HD where you need to trun on S-Video (that I may be overlooking) for it to work? If this is NOT the case, then the S-Video and Component Video Inputs are defective and this Media Receiver needs to be replaced.

Don't think S-video would work w/ 1080/720 signal. Just make sure you are in the right Input Mode is the only thing I can think of.

Cheers,
TP.

I'm posting this for a female friend trying to get her Pioneer PDP 4361 HD TV connected using S-Video.

I have everything hooked up correctly using S-Video but I get sound with no picture. The only way to get a picture is to hookup the composite video cable. The same thing happens when I try to use component video...no picture only sound.

I'm hooking up the 4361 HD to a Direct TV Satellite box (model R15).

Is there anything in the MENU of the 4361 HD where you need to trun on S-Video (that I may be overlooking) for it to work? If this is NOT the case, then the S-Video and Component Video Inputs are defective and this Media Receiver needs to be replaced.

Don't think S-video would work w/ 1080/720 signal. Just make sure you are in the right Input Mode is the only thing I can think of.

Cheers,
TP.

Thanks for your reply. However, that's not an issue for now as she does not have satellite HD service.

I called to setup an appointment (using her PSP plan from BestBuy) to have it checked out.

Hi there,
I have a Pioneer PRO-930D we bought in spring of 2006 that apparently now has TWO dead HDMI ports (or frozen, anyway).

Input 1 has a Tivo Series 3 DVR, and Input 3 had a Denon 5910 connected to it (both HDMI inputs enabled, of course). First, the Denon started getting wobbly on Input 3, taking forever to show a picture, then the port stopped working altogether. We took the Denon in for service to Tweeter, and they found a bad HDMI board. They've since sent the Denon 5910 in to be swapped at the manufacturer.

While waiting to get the Denon back, I picked up an Oppo 980-H and tried HDMI on Input 3, with no luck (component works fine). However, when trying to trouble-shoot the Oppo's HDMI by swapping the inputs (with no luck), I then hooked the TIVO Series 3 back to Input 1 HDMI. But now, that port doesn't work at ALL. Which is funny because when I was troubleshooting the Denon 5910, I swapped the same way and had no problem getting to the TIVO to work again on Input 1 back in July! It worked then, but NOT now.

I've tried unplugging both devices and rebooting, leaving the TV on with no HDMI (but TIVO running), then reconnecting cables and putting the set on, with no luck at all. Series 3 component works fine on either Input 1 or 3 (having the HDMI temporarily disabled), as does the Oppo 980-H.

I called up Pioneer's tech line today and they had little advice except to take the MR in for service, which means not having a TV - which is grounds for divorce in our house. I can live with the TIVO at component, since it upconverts, but without HDMI, the Denon 5910 will be an expensive paperweight relative to its value. I have a hard time believing that one-time swapping of devices will lock up HDMI. I even tried swapping different cables (Monster cables and Better cables), with no change.

Is HDMI handshake so fragile, or the inputs so fragile, that simply swapping a device can "freak out" the media receiver enough to permanently lock it up? Or is there some way I "reboot" the Pro-930HD's MR and free up the ports? I'm really lost this time. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Does anyone have a cracking / popping sound when changing channels or turning on/off the display?

I disconnected all cables leading to the media receiver to eliminate those possibilities. But it didn't work.

Finally, I disconnected the power cable to the media receiver and turned the display off, waited for a minute, connected the power back and the popping was gone.

Does anybody know if you can hook up Comcast basic service into Antenna A of a 5060 and get local HD?

It's my understanding that that the 5060's Antenna A has a QAM tuner and according to my phone call with Comcast, their basic service (which is included with my Comcast high speed internet) includes local HD. After performing the auto scan on Antenna A for cable, I seem to be receiving the basic service ok, but I don't seem to be receiving local HD.

I'm a Dish HD user, but since I live in the Catalina Foothills of Tucson I'm in a blind spot for HD OTA.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Dennis

Does anybody know if you can hook up Comcast basic service into Antenna A of a 5060 and get local HD?

It's my understanding that that the 5060's Antenna A has a QAM tuner and according to my phone call with Comcast, their basic service (which is included with my Comcast high speed internet) includes local HD. After performing the auto scan on Antenna A for cable, I seem to be receiving the basic service ok, but I don't seem to be receiving local HD.

I'm a Dish HD user, but since I live in the Catalina Foothills of Tucson I'm in a blind spot for HD OTA.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Dennis

Yes you can. I do this. Make sure you have the correct tuner settings. Also, every once in a while my tuner will only tune analog (NTSC) stations. Usually unplugging my TV and plugging it back in a couple minutes later fixes that.

newlinux,
I powered off, waited a couple of minutes, repeated the autoscan, and HD now works. Beautiful!

Thank you!
Dennis

Glad that worked for you. Seems to be a bug in these models in general. I had to do the same thing with my cable card. It's like that tuner loses the ability to tune digital stations from time to time...

Hi guys-
I have not checked into this thread in a long time. Looks like the activity is waning too!

I have a favor to ask, I have the 1130 plasma purchased in December of 2005. I just bought a Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player. I have it hooked up to the plasma with HDMI of course. I have the Toshiba feeding the plasma up to 1080p/24. Don't know if I am actually getting the full benefit, but it has a wonderful image!

I'd like to know what other's settings are if you happen to be using a Toshiba HD-DVD player. The only area I have concerns about are how dark the image is, particularly with upconverting standard def DVD's. I had a 480i non progressive scan 7 year old DVD player before. So I don't know what is supposed to look right.

My settings are:
contrast: 33
brightness: -1
color: +6
tint: 0
sharpness: -5

Energy save: Save2

Thanks and appreciate any insights!

Nelson

Hi guys-
I have not checked into this thread in a long time. Looks like the activity is waning too!

I have a favor to ask, I have the 1130 plasma purchased in December of 2005. I just bought a Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player. I have it hooked up to the plasma with HDMI of course. I have the Toshiba feeding the plasma up to 1080p/24. Don't know if I am actually getting the full benefit, but it has a wonderful image!

I'd like to know what other's settings are if you happen to be using a Toshiba HD-DVD player. The only area I have concerns about are how dark the image is, particularly with upconverting standard def DVD's. I had a 480i non progressive scan 7 year old DVD player before. So I don't know what is supposed to look right.

My settings are:
contrast: 33
brightness: -1
color: +6
tint: 0
sharpness: -5

Energy save: Save2

Thanks and appreciate any insights!

Nelson

Your PureCinema mode needs to be ADV before you get the benefit of 1080p/24 (indicated with your current mode but missing the "1080i" resolution when you press display). Your brightness looks too low. Mine is at +2 against Sony's hidden SMPTE patterns on their BD discs. Make sure to get the HD-DVD version of Digital Video Essentials to get BTB settings right.

I must say I'm a little envious as I have the wimpy A3 and not the A35.

EWL5-

Thanks for the feedback and ADV Pure Cinema Mode info. I had not realized that Digital Video Essentials had released an HD version yet. I'll look for that.

My brightness is low as it was how I set it up when it was new to prevent image retention. I think I'm well past the danger zone now!

Oh, I was tempted to get the A3, I don't think you should feel a little envious! I think I paid a tad much for a feature I likely can't use, the deep color function.

Regarding the 1080p/24, I checked my settings, PureCinema mode was set to ADV. The Toshiba HD-A35 is set to output up to 1080p/24.

I am not sure I am actually getting 1080p/24 into the display. I did a search and read back several posts. If I undertsand it right, if my display is actually recieving a 1080p/24 signal then when I select DISPLAY on the remote, it will not show "1080i". My dispaly still shows "1080i". So I can only conclude it's not getting the 1080p/24 signal.

I just want to confirm by those in the know, if it is reciveing a 1080p/24 signal, I will not see the "1080i" indication. I also checked the build date on the display. I looked inside the display back through the vents, it says manufactured October 2005. The label on the outside of the panel says manufactured November 2005. So maybe my display is too old. Anything else I missed? I was sure hoping I could have forced it to accept 1080p/24! But if it's not to be, then C'est la vie.

Thanks!

Regarding the 1080p/24, I checked my settings, PureCinema mode was set to ADV. The Toshiba HD-A35 is set to output up to 1080p/24.

I am not sure I am actually getting 1080p/24 into the display. I did a search and read back several posts. If I undertsand it right, if my display is actually recieving a 1080p/24 signal then when I select DISPLAY on the remote, it will not show "1080i". My dispaly still shows "1080i". So I can only conclude it's not getting the 1080p/24 signal.

I just want to confirm by those in the know, if it is reciveing a 1080p/24 signal, I will not see the "1080i" indication. I also checked the build date on the display. I looked inside the display back through the vents, it says manufactured October 2005. The label on the outside of the panel says manufactured November 2005. So maybe my display is too old. Anything else I missed? I was sure hoping I could have forced it to accept 1080p/24! But if it's not to be, then C'est la vie.

Thanks!

Do you have anything in the chain that may not repeat a 1080p/24 signal? An incompatible receiver perhaps? Try connecting directly to the TV to test this.

My PS3 has a forced 1080p/24 mode and I was so happy to see that the "1080i" disappeared under this mode. I bought mine May '06 but haven't checked the build date. Good luck!

EWL5

I have a direct connection from the HD-DVD player to the display via HDMI. I guess it's not going to work. I'll double check the settings. Thanks for replying!

To my knowledge no Toshiba HDDVD player has forced 1080p/24 mode on any model yet. I have heard rumours that it will be enabled through a software upgrade, however, that was a long time ago. Maybe Toshiba engineering is having a difficult time implementing this feature. Also with the Pro930/1130, build date should not matter (based on previous posts). If receiving a forced 1080p/24 signal, it will kick in and the 1080i will disapear displaying only HDMI when pressing the input button.

To my knowledge no Toshiba HDDVD player has forced 1080p/24 mode on any model yet. I have heard rumours that it will be enabled through a software upgrade, however, that was a long time ago. Maybe Toshiba engineering is having a difficult time implementing this feature. Also with the Pro930/1130, build date should not matter (based on previous posts). If receiving a forced 1080p/24 signal, it will kick in and the 1080i will disapear displaying only HDMI when pressing the input button.

AFAIK, the third gen A30 and A35 advertise support for 1080p/24. I don't know if 1080p/24 needs to be forced in the player setup since I don't own either.

To piggy back on this, with my PS3 (Pio 5060), when I switch the PS3 to force 1080p/24, the "1080i" disappeared also. Bought Apr 2006. I am also running through a Denon 3806.

FYI.

Thanks,

Jim

Do you have anything in the chain that may not repeat a 1080p/24 signal? An incompatible receiver perhaps? Try connecting directly to the TV to test this.

My PS3 has a forced 1080p/24 mode and I was so happy to see that the "1080i" disappeared under this mode. I bought mine May '06 but haven't checked the build date. Good luck!

EWL5

I have a direct connection from the HD-DVD player to the display via HDMI. I guess it's not going to work. I'll double check the settings. Thanks for replying!

Hey, I hear the newest firmware fixes the Hz problem. Seems the player had "24Hz" out of the box and the 2.7 firmware fixes it to the more recognizable (by TV's anyway) 23.97Hz. I don't know if that 2.7 firmware is official since some people have had bad experiences with it. I'd wait until it's official before downloading, if you haven't already it. It doesn't force 1080p/24 mode but at least your TV will recognize it now.

Hey EWL5- I had not heard anything about firmware updates for the A35, I thought this was such a new machine, it might be somewhat up to date! :)

I'll try to figure out what firmware my machine has.

Okay, here's a new question that came up from a discussion at the Home Theater Forum. I guess the Pioneer is capable of 3:2 pull down and also 3:2 reverse. These are not new terms to me, but I never understood fully what they were and how to get the TV set to use it. From a review of the 1130 at the UltimateAVmag.com site, the author suggests that the Pioneer 1130 set in Cinema mode and ADV can recognize and accept a 1080i signal, and reconstruct an image at 24fps.

Instead of me trying to paraphrase, here's what he says:

Film material is (usually) created at 24fps (frames per second), but all video sources convert this to 30fps because that's the video standard to which most video displays are built. It performs this conversion by using a 3:2 pulldown process. (Very simply put, 3:2 pulldown involves taking the original 24fps image, interlacing it, and duplicating and combining interlaced fields to generate the extra frames required for a 30fps rate.) ADV does away with 3:2 pulldown. Instead, it takes a converted 30 frames-per-second film-based video source and reconstructs it to 24fps. It then flashes each frame of that 24fps source three times per second for a refresh rate of 72 Hz—a refresh rate that the PRO-1130HD is designed to handle. In theory at least, this should provide considerably smoother motion, less flicker, and fewer motion artifacts (the technique is sometimes referred to as 3:3 pulldown.)

From this info, sounds like our 1130 displays are set up to deal with the 24fps anyway. We just need to feed it a 1080i signal?

Hey EWL5- I had not heard anything about firmware updates for the A35, I thought this was such a new machine, it might be somewhat up to date! :)

I'll try to figure out what firmware my machine has.

Okay, here's a new question that came up from a discussion at the Home Theater Forum. I guess the Pioneer is capable of 3:2 pull down and also 3:2 reverse. These are not new terms to me, but I never understood fully what they were and how to get the TV set to use it. From a review of the 1130 at the UltimateAVmag.com site, the author suggests that the Pioneer 1130 set in Cinema mode and ADV can recognize and accept a 1080i signal, and reconstruct an image at 24fps.

Instead of me trying to paraphrase, here's what he says:

Film material is (usually) created at 24fps (frames per second), but all video sources convert this to 30fps because that's the video standard to which most video displays are built. It performs this conversion by using a 3:2 pulldown process. (Very simply put, 3:2 pulldown involves taking the original 24fps image, interlacing it, and duplicating and combining interlaced fields to generate the extra frames required for a 30fps rate.) ADV does away with 3:2 pulldown. Instead, it takes a converted 30 frames-per-second film-based video source and reconstructs it to 24fps. It then flashes each frame of that 24fps source three times per second for a refresh rate of 72 Hz—a refresh rate that the PRO-1130HD is designed to handle. In theory at least, this should provide considerably smoother motion, less flicker, and fewer motion artifacts (the technique is sometimes referred to as 3:3 pulldown.)

From this info, sounds like our 1130 displays are set up to deal with the 24fps anyway. We just need to feed it a 1080i signal?

It's funny you mention that ultimateav article as that was one of the main reasons why I bought my TV. You have to realize that at the time it was posted on the internet (March 2006), there wasn't a wealth of devices capable of outputting a true 1080p/24 signal, let alone accept one. The author hadn't even tested the TV with such a device to verify that it would work. Other sites were guilty of the same conclusions concerning this mode as you can't appreciate 72Hz unless you have a 1080p/24 device feeding it. 3:3 pulldown (PureCinema Advance) works because it runs at 72Hz, which is 24fps x 3.

I'm pretty sure the key to your problems is updating to the new firmware. I had incorrectly stated 2.7 in my last post but for the 3rd gen players, the latest update is 1.3. It was widely reported that 1080p-capable HD-DVD players did not have the correct 23.97Hz necessary for TV's to recognize them. The new firmware will give you that. Easiest way is to connect to the internet using the ethernet port and it will tell you automatically in "Maintenance" that a new update is available. As a matter of fact, the firmware only just came out a couple days ago!

Edit: I re-read your last reply and see there is some confusion. The PureCinema mode does not add or take away. You feed it a 1080p/24 signal and the 72Hz of the TV will do the rest. You feed the TV 24fps and the TV refreshes 3 times per frame. No frames are created as you would in a traditional 2:3 pulldown. But the key is Advance mode works best with 1080p/24 feeding it. If you give the TV 1080p/60 or 1080i/30 under Advance mode, then you are actually causing judder (which would be correctly handled by PureCinema Standard). Does that make sense?

Nelsun, I just reread the article. The author's statement about only feeding the TV a 1080i signal is wrong. The PS3 outputs whatever is on the disc. Most of my BD movies are recorded at 1080p/24 and play on my 1130 smooth as silk. Most 1080i movies are concert recordings of which I don't own any.

EWL5-

Thanks! So there's hope that I can still try 1080p/24. I figured that some of the information in that article was obsolete by now. Thanks for clearing up the confusion, its getting clearer. Even without 1080p/24, I am amazed by the HD picture I am getting from the few HD-DVD's I have. So if I can get the player to work 1080p/24, I hope to be amazed more!

I will check my player and see what the firmware is. If it's less then 1.3, I'll try the update. I'll check on the HD-A35 thread here and see where others firmware are too.

Does anyone have a cracking / popping sound when changing channels or turning on/off the display?

I disconnected all cables leading to the media receiver to eliminate those possibilities. But it didn't work.

Finally, I disconnected the power cable to the media receiver and turned the display off, waited for a minute, connected the power back and the popping was gone.The popping sound came back and I finally had the main board replaced 4 days ago and it seems fine now.

Topic: Moving my Pro930 to different stand. Is it safe with attached Elite stand?

As stated above, will I damage the bolt connections etc between the stand and panel by moving it attached about 6 feet. I know that stand is heavy. I just don't want to disassemble everything if possible.

Thanks

A few weeks ago, the OTA tuner would no longer pick up the digital channels in my area. I have experienced no problems with the other digital tuners in the house, so there is something wrong with the Pioneer tuner.

What I don't know if there is a setting or something, but that is doubtful. I scanned the channels again, and that did not fix the problem.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Mark

A few weeks ago, the OTA tuner would no longer pick up the digital channels in my area. I have experienced no problems with the other digital tuners in the house, so there is something wrong with the Pioneer tuner.

What I don't know if there is a setting or something, but that is doubtful. I scanned the channels again, and that did not fix the problem.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Mark

Power the unit off. Unplug it for a couple of minutes (the media receiver) and then turn it on and try rescanning. From time to time my digital tuner stops working and this always fixes it... Must be a bug or something...

Power the unit off. Unplug it for a couple of minutes (the media receiver) and then turn it on and try rescanning. From time to time my digital tuner stops working and this always fixes it... Must be a bug or something...

Thanks...will try that

Mark

Power the unit off. Unplug it for a couple of minutes (the media receiver) and then turn it on and try rescanning. From time to time my digital tuner stops working and this always fixes it... Must be a bug or something...

That worked...thanks again!

Mark

just got a PS3 and set it to force 1080P, and the 1080i under the HDMI input disapeared, so I think I just confirmed that the 1080P input works on my 4360 - build date April 2006

just got a PS3 and set it to force 1080P, and the 1080i under the HDMI input disapeared, so I think I just confirmed that the 1080P input works on my 4360 - build date April 2006

Congrats! Welcome to the PS3/Pioneer 6G club! Planet Earth is my favorite demo disc as it seems to impress all ages.

Topic: Moving my Pro930 to different stand. Is it safe with attached Elite stand?

As stated above, will I damage the bolt connections etc between the stand and panel by moving it attached about 6 feet. I know that stand is heavy. I just don't want to disassemble everything if possible.

Thanks

I have a 920 and moved (from one house to another) - Probably 5 miles. I left the stand attached - stood the panel up in the SUV, protected it with soft blankets, wedged it in - and drove off. Had to carry it to the basement in the new house. Not saying you cannot damage the unit - but I didn't, and I would not be concerned about a 6 ft move........... But it is a 2 person job.

I have a 920 and moved (from one house to another) - Probably 5 miles. I left the stand attached - stood the panel up in the SUV, protected it with soft blankets, wedged it in - and drove off. Had to carry it to the basement in the new house. Not saying you cannot damage the unit - but I didn't, and I would not be concerned about a 6 ft move........... But it is a 2 person job.

A big thanks to you Tkbalt. This is really reassuring to me and alleviates any anxiety or fears I may have when I move to another residence in the future.

Thank you again.

my 1130 was built nov 2005

there is a possibility I can get 1080p/24 reception?
how do you access the adv setting?

I've always used the 1080i input

does this set actually downsale to 738 or is it a true 1080i

I'm confused

I've been getting Kuro envy and the newer extreme black coming out in 2009 may be worth waiting for
hard to spend $7.5k more when the 1130 looks very nice

my 1130 was built nov 2005

there is a possibility I can get 1080p/24 reception?
how do you access the adv setting?

I believe all 1130 models can accept 1080p/24 regardless of build date. The only catch is that the source player needs a "forced" 1080p/24 mode since the 1130 EDID probably does not communicate correctly to the source player its capability due to it being an unadvertised feature. My PS3 has a forced 1080p/24 mode but it didn't work until the firmware to force it was available.

To get the ADV setting, go to the 1130's "Menu", select "ADV" under PureCinema (it's buried in a submenu that escapes me at the moment).

I've always used the 1080i input

does this set actually downsale to 738 or is it a true 1080i

Although the 1130 can accept a 1080p/24 signal, thereby reducing judder, it always downconverts the signal to the native rez, which is 1280x768. If you fed it a 480i/p signal (ie.DVD), it can upconvert the signal to 1280x768. My Blu-ray movies look smooth and fabulous from the PS3 and HD-DVD's look about the same from my A3 player (which is not 1080p capable).

I'm confused

I've been getting Kuro envy and the newer extreme black coming out in 2009 may be worth waiting for
hard to spend $7.5k more when the 1130 looks very nice

I've seen the Kuros and I don't have Kuro envy with a proper setup.

Awesome, I am glad this thread came back up because I didn't think about forcing the PS3 to do 1080p. I have a 5060 that was purchased as soon as they came out. What are the odds of a non-elite being able to receive the 1080p signal from the PS3 do you think? I really haven't noticed any "judder" from my Blu-ray discs but I will have to give this a shot when I get home.

Awesome, I am glad this thread came back up because I didn't think about forcing the PS3 to do 1080p. I have a 5060 that was purchased as soon as they came out. What are the odds of a non-elite being able to receive the 1080p signal from the PS3 do you think? I really haven't noticed any "judder" from my Blu-ray discs but I will have to give this a shot when I get home.

Just thought I'd point out that unless you are exclusively watching 1080p/24 material with "ADV" selected, you really should be using the standard PureCinema mode for everything else as there is a possiblilty of creating judder for non-1080p/24 material. I normally toggle the ADV setting based on what I'm watching under the "PURE" mode.

wait wait wait......are you saying that the 1130 can accept 1080p/24 inputs? :confused:

this is breaking news to me!!! I've tried it and it doesn't work.....I have purecinema in "ADV" mode as well.

what's the catch?

EWL5

thanks for the input

I have a ps 3 - and when playing blu ray go hdmi signal 1080i (what shows up on the 1130 screen input index)

I'm also have ordered a Pioneer BDF 95 which I will use to do multi channel and upsample dvd for a home theatre setting

I'm curious about your lack of Kuro envy
I haven't had my set professionally calibrated but it looks very good
the kuros do seem to have a deeper black and more resolution
but I think contrast, color registration etc and all more critical factors than 1080p (so the older pioneers are not totally obsolete)

if you wouldn't mind elaborating more on your comparisons and calibration settings, it would be much appreciated

thanks
TOm

wait wait wait......are you saying that the 1130 can accept 1080p/24 inputs? :confused:

this is breaking news to me!!! I've tried it and it doesn't work.....I have purecinema in "ADV" mode as well.

what's the catch?

In post 5320 of this thread, I had mentioned that I had attained the ability to receive 1080p/24 due to the PS3 firmware update (at the time, it was firmware 1.9:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11188314#post11188314

This is relatively old news. You can confirm that it is working when the screen shows "HDMI" in the upper right hand corner w/o mentioning the resolution (where it normally would show "1080i", nothing is shown).

The key is your source device needs a "forced 1080p/24" mode. PS3 has it now. I cannot vouch for other devices but I hear the firmware update for the A30 and A35 are not "forced" modes.

EWL5

thanks for the input

I have a ps 3 - and when playing blu ray go hdmi signal 1080i (what shows up on the 1130 screen input index)

I'm also have ordered a Pioneer BDF 95 which I will use to do multi channel and upsample dvd for a home theatre setting

I'm curious about your lack of Kuro envy
I haven't had my set professionally calibrated but it looks very good
the kuros do seem to have a deeper black and more resolution
but I think contrast, color registration etc and all more critical factors than 1080p (so the older pioneers are not totally obsolete)

if you wouldn't mind elaborating more on your comparisons and calibration settings, it would be much appreciated

thanks
TOm

You know it's working correctly when you see HDMI in the upper right hand corner w/o the resolution being shown.

I did not have my 1130 professionally calibrated but did get the proper RGB saturation using color filters and the SMPTE patterns hidden on some Sony BD discs. I've got BTB and the best contrast against the DVE pattern. Other than getting an ISF certified calibration, I think I've done the best I can with what I've got. I get rave reviews for my display and I can post my settings once I get home.

Edit: I would advise against buying the BDF95 at this point as load times are still abysmal and the DVD upconverting is worse than previous Elite DVD player efforts. Read this review as it will have you waiting for something better:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cd-dvd-player-product-reviews/dvd-players/pioneer-elite-bdp-95fd-blu-ray-player.html

EWL5 -

thanks for the load time tip on the BDf95
the rave reviews here at AVS had me interested
and I saw how the 94 does upcoverting on DVD - looks very nice

called my rep yesterday afternoon and it was backordered so easy to get out of the purchase

I can stand to use the ps3 with fast uploads till 2.0 players come out

I was able to hardwire the 1080p/24 feed to my plasma
and getting the hdmi with no resolution stated in pure mode

it did seem to transition smoother between frames - although the original is quite nice


unfortunately I took a look at my settings and I have been using 40 contrast and 0 brightness from day one

I really haven't noticed any loss in brightness
but I did tone it down to 30 and -2 just to be on the safe side

thanks for all the help

EWL5 -

thanks for the load time tip on the BDf95
the rave reviews here at AVS had me interested
and I saw how the 94 does upcoverting on DVD - looks very nice

called my rep yesterday afternoon and it was backordered so easy to get out of the purchase

I can stand to use the ps3 with fast uploads till 2.0 players come out

I was able to hardwire the 1080p/24 feed to my plasma
and getting the hdmi with no resolution stated in pure mode

it did seem to transition smoother between frames - although the original is quite nice


unfortunately I took a look at my settings and I have been using 40 contrast and 0 brightness from day one

I really haven't noticed any loss in brightness
but I did tone it down to 30 and -2 just to be on the safe side

thanks for all the help

I'd take every owner's review with a grain of salt. The best reviews are the ones that include criticisms since nothing is perfect.

Would you be surprised if I told you I also have around 40 contrast? :D This was based on the DVE grayscale where every bar is differentiated from the next. My brightness is at -2 I think. I thought about bringing the contrast down but then I want to enjoy the set to the fullest. I don't care if the set doesn't last me 15-20 years. I will care though if it doesn't last 10. :(
Also, I've had no problems with image retention (IR) as it normally goes away with proper viewing. I made sure to baby the set in the beginning (~200 hours) but now it's showtime!

I'm personally waiting for a BD player that has the following:

1) Programmable into my 880 remote.
2) Fast loading time (as close to PS3 as possible)
3) BD Live compliant (Profile 2.0)
4) Internal decoding of all lossless codecs
5) Analog multichannel outs for 7.1
6) Bitstream of lossless audio when I'm ready for it

I can afford to wait since the PS3 has been an amazing machine overall. It'd be nice to have an all Elite home theater but Pioneer needs to make their BD player come with features that justify the higher pricing and right now it's nowhere close.

So does the 1080p/24 feeds only work with Pure Mode?

sorry if it has been answered, but I didn't find it in the past few pages. EWL5, maybe you can make a quick bullet list of exactly what are the settings needed.

So does the 1080p/24 feeds only work with Pure Mode?

sorry if it has been answered, but I didn't find it in the past few pages. EWL5, maybe you can make a quick bullet list of exactly what are the settings needed.

As far as I know, 1080p/24 is not exclusive to PURE mode since you can select PureCinema ADV under "USER", "MOVIE", etc. The bare minimum you need for 1080p/24 to work is the following:

1) PureCinema set to ADV (changes the TV to 72Hz, a multiple of 24)
2) Must own a source device that can force a 1080p/24 mode (like PS3 with firmware 1.9 or above)
Edit: This is very crucial since the TV knows its own capabilities but will not advertise it to the source device. There will be 1080p/24 players out there w/o a forced 1080p/24 mode that won't work with this generation Pioneer).
3) If a receiver is in the chain, must be able to correctly repeat a 1080p/24 signal.

For the Elites, each mode retains its own settings so I actually have ADV set for my PURE mode and Standard for my MOVIE mode.

I had a scare from my 1130 the last couple of days as I lost all HD TV reception. Analogue TV was still working. I get my TV via over-the-air with a roof top antenna that's been working great for the past 2 years. I figured it was due to a signal drop, or more likely the antenna was jarred out of position or the cable had a loose connection. All checked out.

But on HD channels, I still see a station ID and at first, it would show the show name. Today I made some adjustments to the antenna and nothing happened. So I then unplugged the AC power to the display and receiver box for 15 minutes. This must have reset the system as upon powering up and it doing it's thing at start-up, the HD TV reception worked again.

Has this happened to anyone before? Is it a sign of a problem? Is it just par for the course and since the receiver box is a computer, it just needs to be reset every now and then?

By the way, I also updated the firmware on my Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player. I hoped this could make it force 1080p/24. I took a quick look after getting the reception working again and I am still seeing an HDMI 1080i indication when playing an HD-DVD. I am using Pure and ADV, so I thought I had it set right. Maybe it's not going to work!

Thanks! Nelson

I've searched but can't find and I believe I used to have 'em, but don't now...

I just got DTV HD installed and would like for someone to post - or - to point me to the post that has the after break-in settings for my 5060.

Thank you.....bill

I had a scare from my 1130 the last couple of days as I lost all HD TV reception. Analogue TV was still working. I get my TV via over-the-air with a roof top antenna that's been working great for the past 2 years. I figured it was due to a signal drop, or more likely the antenna was jarred out of position or the cable had a loose connection. All checked out.

But on HD channels, I still see a station ID and at first, it would show the show name. Today I made some adjustments to the antenna and nothing happened. So I then unplugged the AC power to the display and receiver box for 15 minutes. This must have reset the system as upon powering up and it doing it's thing at start-up, the HD TV reception worked again.

Has this happened to anyone before? Is it a sign of a problem? Is it just par for the course and since the receiver box is a computer, it just needs to be reset every now and then?

By the way, I also updated the firmware on my Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player. I hoped this could make it force 1080p/24. I took a quick look after getting the reception working again and I am still seeing an HDMI 1080i indication when playing an HD-DVD. I am using Pure and ADV, so I thought I had it set right. Maybe it's not going to work!

Thanks! Nelson

Yes, a few people on this thread have had this issue, and unplugging the Media Receiver for a couple minutes is the fix. The digital tuner seems to go on the fritz sometimes.

By the way, I also updated the firmware on my Toshiba HD-A35 HD-DVD player. I hoped this could make it force 1080p/24. I took a quick look after getting the reception working again and I am still seeing an HDMI 1080i indication when playing an HD-DVD. I am using Pure and ADV, so I thought I had it set right. Maybe it's not going to work!

Thanks! Nelson

Sounds the latest firmware won't force 1080p/24 still. Toshiba needs more people complaining to add a "forced mode" to the firmware. Unfortunately, it seems these days they have their hands full with marketing since HD-DVD seems to be losing steam. I think displays that can accept 1080p/24 but that require a forced mode are in the vast minority. We're not we you'd call high priority.

Hi gang, this is a little off topic but I'm not sure and can't seem to locate the info in this huge tread. anyway when watching OTA digital programs and hitting the display button. the information that is displayed is tuner A channel number,station id,stereo/mono/surround, and what mode is being used with the screen size. now my question is should the broadcast resolution be displayed showing 480i,720p,1080i or this not available on this set?. I went into service menu and that information is in the menu just curious. any ideas? thanks to all for this great thread. ps the resolution is displayed when viewing dvd's

Thanks newlinux for confirmation on the medai box digital tuner issue. I'm glad that's all it is!

EWL5, on the 1080p/24 issue, perhaps I need to make sure I have all the settings on the 1130 right? The player is set to output up to 1080p/24. The display is set to Pure and ADV. The player is also set for 16x9 output, though I would guess that's for upconvert mode with playing SD-DVD's.

EWL5, on the 1080p/24 issue, perhaps I need to make sure I have all the settings on the 1130 right? The player is set to output up to 1080p/24. The display is set to Pure and ADV. The player is also set for 16x9 output, though I would guess that's for upconvert mode with playing SD-DVD's.

Sounds like everything is correctly set up on the 1130 side. I'm not familiar with the A35 and couldn't give you much guidance since I own the non-1080p A3. My guess is everything is set up correctly but the firmware doesn't "force 1080p", which is absolutely necessary at least for 6th gen Pioneers. I briefly scanned the XA2/A35 threads at one point since I had considered the higher end HD-DVD players but decided in the end against purchasing one. What I remember reading were complaints that the 1080p/24 feature was not "forced" by Toshiba. It would be nice if things are different now but I don't think it's high on Toshiba's priority list.

Thanks EWL5. Makes sense that it doesn't "force", too bad. I agree Toshiba's got their hands full now. But I read reports that they haven't thrown the towel in.

Hopefully, a future firmware update can address this.

Well, I forced my PS3 to send the 1080p signal to my 5060 but there was only a black screen. Do I need to turn on the ADV setting first? I will have to check my build date...looks like I might not be one of the lucky ones :o


Awesome, I am glad this thread came back up because I didn't think about forcing the PS3 to do 1080p. I have a 5060 that was purchased as soon as they came out. What are the odds of a non-elite being able to receive the 1080p signal from the PS3 do you think? I really haven't noticed any "judder" from my Blu-ray discs but I will have to give this a shot when I get home.

Well, I forced my PS3 to send the 1080p signal to my 5060 but there was only a black screen. Do I need to turn on the ADV setting first? I will have to check my build date...looks like I might not be one of the lucky ones :o

In order to guarantee you are doing it correctly, I would do the following:

1) With all other devices off (except the TV), change the setting on your 5060 to ADV. This allows you to make the change w/o interference from the source device.
2) Make sure your PS3 has the latest firmware and turn it on, along with anything else (receiver, etc.) Make sure the 1080p/24 setting on the PS3 is set to ON instead of AUTO.
3) Anything in the chain, like a receiver, must be capable of repeating a 1080p/24 signal. Otherwise, connect the PS3 directly to the TV to remove all doubt.

I don't think build date has anything to do with it working or not. I think it boils down to a "forced mode" from the source and setting PureCinema to ADV ahead of time.

That worked! Many thanks to you.

In order to guarantee you are doing it correctly, I would do the following:

1) With all other devices off (except the TV), change the setting on your 5060 to ADV. This allows you to make the change w/o interference from the source device.
2) Make sure your PS3 has the latest firmware and turn it on, along with anything else (receiver, etc.) Make sure the 1080p/24 setting on the PS3 is set to ON instead of AUTO.
3) Anything in the chain, like a receiver, must be capable of repeating a 1080p/24 signal. Otherwise, connect the PS3 directly to the TV to remove all doubt.

I don't think build date has anything to do with it working or not. I think it boils down to a "forced mode" from the source and setting PureCinema to ADV ahead of time.

I have a Pio 4360HD connected via HDMI to a Motorola DCT3400 digital set-top box (http://*******.com/2nyezh). I'm currently using the TV's speakers along with a standalone subwoofer.

I'm interested in an easy way to upgrade the audio, preferably using only 2 speakers. I don't like the Bose 3-2-1 system as it doesn't have a next-gen DVD player or even HDMI. I am also planning to get a PS3 for Blu-Ray, so I don't need a DVD player at all, just speakers and if necessary a basic receiver.

I also noticed this hiding in the Pio manual - "When signals are input from the HDMI terminals, no digital or analog signals are output from the DIGITAL OUT terminal" (http://*******.com/38ncbz). This means that when you run HDMI from your cable box to the TV, the Digital Out terminal on the TV is switched off? This doesn't seem to make sense. It would obviously be better to use a digital signal for audio...

If anyone has got a reasonably simple audio setup with a 4360/5060 and has any advice, please let me know! I'm basically looking for a way to get better sound without going to the trouble of a full home theatre setup, or buying another non-HD DVD player that I don't need. Thanks!

Note - I don't know why this site replaces my links with ***, but they should say tiny url.com (without the space)

I have a Pio 4360HD connected via HDMI to a Motorola DCT3400 digital set-top box (http://*******.com/2nyezh). I'm currently using the TV's speakers along with a standalone subwoofer.

I'm interested in an easy way to upgrade the audio, preferably using only 2 speakers. I don't like the Bose 3-2-1 system as it doesn't have a next-gen DVD player or even HDMI. I am also planning to get a PS3 for Blu-Ray, so I don't need a DVD player at all, just speakers and if necessary a basic receiver.

I also noticed this hiding in the Pio manual - "When signals are input from the HDMI terminals, no digital or analog signals are output from the DIGITAL OUT terminal" (http://*******.com/38ncbz). This means that when you run HDMI from your cable box to the TV, the Digital Out terminal on the TV is switched off? This doesn't seem to make sense. It would obviously be better to use a digital signal for audio...

If anyone has got a reasonably simple audio setup with a 4360/5060 and has any advice, please let me know! I'm basically looking for a way to get better sound without going to the trouble of a full home theatre setup, or buying another non-HD DVD player that I don't need. Thanks!

Note - I don't know why this site replaces my links with ***, but they should say tiny url.com (without the space)

whiz41, I'm not sure how familiar you are with receivers but this doesn't sound like a problem for you. Here's my reasoning:

1) If you go the source to TV route (no receiver), you're using TV speakers only anyway so why do you need digital audio out?

2) If you go the source to receiver to TV route, then all your audio is being processed in the receiver to your two standalone speakers. Again, the digital audio out on the TV is meaningless.

The only time the digital audio out on the Pioneer is ever used is when you are using the onboard ATSC tuner and picking up OTA HD channels. That signal will include any Dolby surround signals that STILL need to go to a receiver for decoding. Since you are using the DCT3400 set-top box straight to the TV, you don't need the digital audio out from the Pioneer since it does the audio processing internally. Does this make sense?

whiz41, I'm not sure how familiar you are with receivers but this doesn't sound like a problem for you. Here's my reasoning:

1) If you go the source to TV route (no receiver), you're using TV speakers only anyway so why do you need digital audio out?

2) If you go the source to receiver to TV route, then all your audio is being processed in the receiver to your two standalone speakers. Again, the digital audio out on the TV is meaningless.

The only time the digital audio out on the Pioneer is ever used is when you are using the onboard ATSC tuner and picking up OTA HD channels. That signal will include any Dolby surround signals that STILL need to go to a receiver for decoding. Since you are using the DCT3400 set-top box straight to the TV, you don't need the digital audio out from the Pioneer since it does the audio processing internally. Does this make sense?

The digital audio out also works when you have a cable card or use the onboard tuner to pick up unencrypted QAM stations - basically whenever the TV is tuning the stations.

If you really want upgrade the sound you should run the audio from the cable box through a receiver and then to speakers.

The digital audio out also works when you have a cable card or use the onboard tuner to pick up unencrypted QAM stations - basically whenever the TV is tuning the stations.

If you really want upgrade the sound you should run the audio from the cable box through a receiver and then to speakers.

Yes, that is correct. Forgot to mention the cable card and QAM tuner.

whiz41, I hope those 2 speakers you're thinking of are pretty darn good (ie. cost more than $400/pair). Otherwise, there's no point in getting a receiver/speaker setup when TV speakers will do.

Yes, that is correct. Forgot to mention the cable card and QAM tuner.

whiz41, I hope those 2 speakers you're thinking of are pretty darn good (ie. cost more than $400/pair). Otherwise, there's no point in getting a receiver/speaker setup when TV speakers will do.

OK, it sounds like sending the audio to a receiver/speakers straight from the cable box makes the most sense, I figured I'd have to use an output from the TV itself.

I'm no speaker expert but I'm not very impressed with the speakers that came with the TV. I appreciate the comments and the ballpark cost of $400+ as a guide, I'll have to research that next and find some to try out.

I have a Pioneer 5060 that seems to have an overscan problem. I have it hooked up to a Directv, hr21. When in 720 or 1020 mode and I hit the
channel guide, I can't see the channel or the discription on the left side of the screen. I have checked the service manual and can't find a way to adjust the width. The screen is centered but it's just too wide. There must be a way to get to the service menu. Any help would be appreciated.
Marty

I have an external video processor and would like to bypass the Media Receiver for a Pioneer 5060.

From what I can discern from googling, the connector into the 5060 panel is called a MDR20. I found DVI to MDR20 adapters (Monoprice has one for example). Since the video processor has an HDMI out, here's my thinking on wiring:
Start at video processor:
- HDMI to HDMI cable (already have a high quality cable)
- HDMI to DVI adapter
- DVI to MDR20 adapter
End at 5060 panel.

Since the video processor should be able to output the native resolution of the 5060 panel, this could in theory work and bypass the video processing done in the Media Receiver.

Any thoughts? Will the 5060 panel absolutely not work without its Media Receiver? Thanks.

I have an external video processor and would like to bypass the Media Receiver for a Pioneer 5060.

From what I can discern from googling, the connector into the 5060 panel is called a MDR20. I found DVI to MDR20 adapters (Monoprice has one for example). Since the video processor has an HDMI out, here's my thinking on wiring:
Start at video processor:
- HDMI to HDMI cable (already have a high quality cable)
- HDMI to DVI adapter
- DVI to MDR20 adapter
End at 5060 panel.

Since the video processor should be able to output the native resolution of the 5060 panel, this could in theory work and bypass the video processing done in the Media Receiver.

Any thoughts? Will the 5060 panel absolutely not work without its Media Receiver? Thanks.

Without the media receiver, the 5060 is only a dummy monitor. You can connect any device to the DVI port and have it display as long as you supply the native resolution. The MDR20 port is the control port which allow communication between the panel and the media receiver. It carries remote control signal, audio and other controlling signal. Do not connect the port to any DVI port. The DVI to MDR20 adapter is designed for some older panels that use MDR20 as the video port.

Without the media receiver, the 5060 is only a dummy monitor. You can connect any device to the DVI port and have it display as long as you supply the native resolution. The MDR20 port is the control port which allow communication between the panel and the media receiver. It carries remote control signal, audio and other controlling signal. Do not connect the port to any DVI port. The DVI to MDR20 adapter is designed for some older panels that use MDR20 as the video port.
Ah, right. Since I see 1 cable going from the Media Receiver to the panel, I forgot it was actually 2 cables bundled together - MDR20 and DVI.

If I connect my video processor directly to the DVI input on the panel, will the 5060 work? Will it complain if nothing is connected to the MDR20 port on the 5060? Thanks.

has anyone had any issues with HDMI inputs on their pro-1130hd?

input 1 seems to not be working for me. when i insert the hdmi plug into the input the screen flickers like it normally does, but no image displays. if i insert the hdmi plug into input 3, it flickers, then displays the image correctly.

i am wondering if input 1 has a bad connection or the hdmi port is going bad all together. its still under warranty and luckily i decided to purchase the extended warranty, but if i would rather try and resolve the issue without making a service call

anyone have similar problems? any suggestions are appreciated. thanks.

I have pioneer 5060 and i need to know the best settings for see sky sd with scart RGB - Sky hd with HDMI - DVD with PS3 and Bluray with PS3.
Thx very much for yuor help!

Hi - I have a very basic question that I hope someone can help me with. I just replaced the red/green/blue cable from my cable box to my 5060hd with an hdmi cable. Now I can't get the blue sign that says

INPUT 1
HDMI
480i

in the upper right of the screen to go away. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

I have both a PDP5060 and a PDP6070. The 6070 has the "bars" at the top and the bottom - the 5060 has the "bars" to either side.

I prefer the "bars" at the top and bottom.

Can I change from side to top and bottom on the 5060? If so, please explain how I would do that.

Thanks.....bill

Both TV's should behave the same with the same source.

My guess is what ever you have hooked up to each is not set for Wide Screen (16:9).

Make sure all devices hooked to either TV is set to Wide Screen (16:9) and NOT 4:3.

Other than that, you can hit the "Aspect" button on the remote to toggle between different stretch modes on either TV.

Both TV's should behave the same with the same source.

My guess is what ever you have hooked up to each is not set for Wide Screen (16:9).

Make sure all devices hooked to either TV is set to Wide Screen (16:9) and NOT 4:3.

Other than that, you can hit the "Aspect" button on the remote to toggle between different stretch modes on either TV.

Thanks for the quick reply - I've got DTV receivers feeding both the sets (a DTV DVR to the one in question).

Without looking at the "destruction booklet" how would I check to see if it's set to 16:9?

Thanks.....bill

for the people who've had their 6th gen for a year or more, how many hours do you have on your panel? i havent' checked mine since i passed break in, but i was curious the other day and checked. i got the panel in the beginning of Feb last year. i have 98XX hours on the panel as of yesterday on the main hour meter. according to my math, 365/9800=.03hrs/day. we usually watch for a few hours each evening and sometimes none on the weekend, but i find it's strange that i'm not even averaging an hour per day. i'm not a math wizard, but at 9800 hours/year, that's about 6 years give or take until i reach 60,000hrs. (half life of most plasmas)

edit, i forgot i have to convert to hour per year. duh! so at 8760 hrs/year, divided by 9800, that's 1.11 hrs/day. still sounds pretty low to me.

Your right you're no math wiz. Assuming you've owned it for about a year 9800/8760 would be percent usage per yer. 111% But actually it's the amount of time plugged in which is 1.11 Years.

Without the media receiver, the 5060 is only a dummy monitor. You can connect any device to the DVI port and have it display as long as you supply the native resolution. The MDR20 port is the control port which allow communication between the panel and the media receiver.


After reading your post, I tried disconnecting the DVI and MDR20 cables between the 5060's media receiver and its plasma panel and connecting a Windows Vista Media Center PC directly to the DVI port on the panel. Unfortunately when I powered up the panel I was greeted with a blank display. The PC's output resolution was set to 1280x768. When I replaced the DVI and MDR20 cables, and instead connected my PC to Input 1 of the media receiver (using a DVI to HDMI adapter) it worked fine.

Do I have the correct native resolution? If yes, any tips on how I can get the direct DVI connection functionality you described above?

hi gang don't mean to be rude but I was wondering if anyone else has the same problem with a 1130 as I do.
1. tv turns itself off and then the blue light blinks 12 times on the media receiver.
2overnight the media receiver blue light is blinking 12 times. tv won't turn on
3. turning on the tv screen shows plasma warming up please wait but never goes away.
only thing that I found that works is to unplug the media receiver from the wall and plug it back in the tv now works. anybody have some ideas?
I know that this could be related to the guide downloading not sure if its all related.:confused:

Ah, right. Since I see 1 cable going from the Media Receiver to the panel, I forgot it was actually 2 cables bundled together - MDR20 and DVI.

If I connect my video processor directly to the DVI input on the panel, will the 5060 work? Will it complain if nothing is connected to the MDR20 port on the 5060? Thanks.

Did you get an answer to your question? I tried connecting a PC directly to the DVI input on the 5060 (displaying at native resolution) without the MDR20port. Unfortunately the screen stayed blank when I powered it up.

hi gang don't mean to be rude but I was wondering if anyone else has the same problem with a 1130 as I do.
1. tv turns itself off and then the blue light blinks 12 times on the media receiver.
2overnight the media receiver blue light is blinking 12 times. tv won't turn on
3. turning on the tv screen shows plasma warming up please wait but never goes away.
only thing that I found that works is to unplug the media receiver from the wall and plug it back in the tv now works. anybody have some ideas?
I know that this could be related to the guide downloading not sure if its all related.:confused:

Mine started turning itself off at random times a few months ago. This happens when it is receiving and active signal. I have the media receiver in a closed cabinet, so do not see the lights, if any were blinking.

All I have to do to rectify the problem is turn the set back on, where I do get the "plasma warming up please wait" message briefly before the picture comes back.

Not really the same problem you are having, but strange none-the-less.

Mark

Hi all, I have HDMI 1.1 cables. I want to upgrade them but does the 4360 support v1.3?

Hi all, I have HDMI 1.1 cables. I want to upgrade them but does the 4360 support v1.3?

No, it is not 1.3. You can upgrade the cables if you are experiencing any sparkles or irregularities in your transmission but the current HDMI cables should be ok.

hi gang don't mean to be rude but I was wondering if anyone else has the same problem with a 1130 as I do.
1. tv turns itself off and then the blue light blinks 12 times on the media receiver.
2overnight the media receiver blue light is blinking 12 times. tv won't turn on
3. turning on the tv screen shows plasma warming up please wait but never goes away.
only thing that I found that works is to unplug the media receiver from the wall and plug it back in the tv now works. anybody have some ideas?
I know that this could be related to the guide downloading not sure if its all related.:confused:

Mine started turning itself off at random times a few months ago. This happens when it is receiving and active signal. I have the media receiver in a closed cabinet, so do not see the lights, if any were blinking.

All I have to do to rectify the problem is turn the set back on, where I do get the "plasma warming up please wait" message briefly before the picture comes back.

Not really the same problem you are having, but strange none-the-less.

Mark

Well, I guess I jinxed it, because I started experiencing problem #3 above!

Mark

No, it is not 1.3. You can upgrade the cables if you are experiencing any sparkles or irregularities in your transmission but the current HDMI cables should be ok.

So you're saying it does not support v1.3?

So you're saying it does not support v1.3?

The 4360 does not support HDMI 1.3. It wouldn't be that much useful if it did unless you had everything in your home theater chain being 1.3. For video purposes, HDMI 1.1 is fine.

Edit: You can USE HDMI 1.3 cables but they don't benefit you in any way unless you have a very long run of cable required.

ok here's the results. called pioneer and they told me call a service they didn't know anything about either issue go figure. anyway since its out of factory warranty the extended service guy came to the house and after seeing the plasma starting please wait screen. he called into his shop and they checked pioneer's website. nothing found. so he took the tv back with him screen,cable and media center. expecting a call some time next week. i'll keep you posted with the follow up and possible the cause and or cure.

ok had a tech guy come to my house showed him what was going on after a brief time told me we have to take it back to the shop for repairs. 6 days later another tech calls me to ask whats wrong with the tv?don't this guys talk to each other? come on you have a tv in your shop and you don't know why its there? finally told this tech what was wrong and he knew what was up with the blinking blue lights needed a updated turner. no problem, doesn't know anything about the second problem with the plasma warming up screen says it might be the main board. he doesn't work friday and will start to work on it tuesday. 10 full days after its in the shop. hope to get it back before christmas at this rate.

going noway fast. get a call from the service tech telling me he has to replace tuner/tuner board at any rate he has to reinitilize the tv and will lose all the settings. again not sure this is going to fix both of the problems hopefully it with resolve the blinking blue lights and the tuner lockup. can't wait to hear whats causing the other problem. i'll keep you posted

going noway fast. get a call from the service tech telling me he has to replace tuner/tuner board at any rate he has to reinitilize the tv and will lose all the settings. again not sure this is going to fix both of the problems hopefully it with resolve the blinking blue lights and the tuner lockup. can't wait to hear whats causing the other problem. i'll keep you posted

Hang in there. Is the TV at an authorized Pioneer service center or third party?

you know not really sure they sold me the tv and the extended warranty. doesn't much matter to me as longs as its repaired. if they can't fix it they have to replace it.
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you know not really sure they sold me the tv and the extended warranty. doesn't much matter to me as longs as its repaired. if they can't fix it they have to replace it.
. .

Extended warranty is usually through a third party. Elites carry a 2 year warranty. Is it beyond 2 years for you? I'd be more comfortable with Pioneer servicing if your manufacturer warranty is still valid. At least they're supposed to know what they're doing...

just got off the phone with the repair center:( they had to order parts no big deal. so i asked this guy what parts are ordered? he responds the dtv board and the main board.:mad: how long i ask? parts could take another 5 to 7 days if were lucky and then to install? not sure:confused:. not comes the question :confused:do i havew to wait another 200 hours for the components to burn it for calibration or is it only 200 hours for the screen to burn in? any ideas? looks like i won't be watching any tv/movies any time soon

spudbudy did you try power cycling the TV? Make sure you are on a non-digital channel. Hit the TV Guide button, then highlight the CHANGE SYSTEM SETTINGS tab which is under setup, then enter this code 653274147. The TV Guide will go away and then you can turn the set off. You will see the blinking lights again and you are supposed to wait 24 hours but I usually just give it a couple of hours. This has worked for me in the past.

Hello gang got a call from the service center today. the tv is done and will be returned on monday. long delay in waiting for the main board replacement also the dtv board.
yes I have cycled the power to both the panel and the media center but the problem kept coming back. the blinking blue lights was one thing annoying at best but the plasma warming up please wait couldn't be ignored. will report back with the final verdict next week.

IT's BACK. got it today .it turns on and everything. factory reset as they replaced the main board all of the previous settings were set back to default. so here we go again will take the test disks to it later in the week.

OK this is right out of Ripleys believe it or not. this morning the blinking blue light was back go figure. called the shop back up and they said we'll get back to you after we talk to pioneer. I think i'm getting the runaround.

OK this is right out of Ripleys believe it or not. this morning the blinking blue light was back go figure. called the shop back up and they said we'll get back to you after we talk to pioneer. I think i'm getting the runaround.

You did say if they couldn't fix it you get a new TV, right? ;)

I cannot program 2 of 4 PBS over the air HD stations into my TV Guide. There are 4 stations, 9.001, 9.002, 88.007 and 88.009. When I add 9.001 to my listing, stations 88.007 and 88.009, which has already been added, changes to 9.007 and 9.009:mad:.

Vice versa, when I try to change stations 9.007 back to 88.001, stations 9.001 and 9.002 changes to 88.001 and 88.002:mad:.

As a result, in order for me to use 9.001 and 9.002, I have to remove 88.007 and 88.009 from my listing. This has happened months past, but eventually resolved itself after powering the TV off for 8 hours. However, it's been 2 weeks now and the problem remains.

shop guy said he'll check again with pioneer but i don't think anything else will be done. it might have been the first day jitters with the guide downloading for the first time it hasn't happened since.

My 2 year old Pro 1130HD panel has begun to "blink" (a brief completely black screen flash) on a somewhat regular basis. It doesn't do it all the time, but I have noticed it while watching both DVDs and my D* HD DVR (both connected via HDMI for video). It's not that bad but worries me. When it happens it happens about every 30 seconds or so. Any ideas?

Jediphish,
Did you try another HDMI cable. It happened to me one time but new HDMI cable fixed the problem.

Anyone having problems with the glare protection rubbing off? My cats will put their nose to the screen. After rubbing off the mark with water, the glare protection comes off too.

I called Pioneer last year and they said it's not covered under warranty:mad:.

i own a 5060 plasma purchased 12/19/05. on 8/22/08 the hdmi inputs on the pdp-r06u media receiver stopped working. i tried new hdmi cables and they still did not work. i called my cable company and they switched the box and they still don't work. i have unplugged all my electronic units and then replugged them and they still don't work. i rebooted my router and they still don't work. i have the cable box connected to input 1 and a sony ps3 connected to input 3 both via hdmi. neither one works on hdmi. the cable box does work on component. the hdmi setting is enabled and auto for video and audio on both input 1 and input 3. any idea what is causing the hdmi input not to work? what is the solution to get them to work? also the warranty doesn't mention the pdp-r06u- just the plasma display panel. what is the warranty period for the pdp-r06u media receiver?

Have you tried a full reboot of your media receiver? Unplug it and wait a few minutes, then plug in the power plug and turn on the TV. In the Option menu, you'll find an option to activate HDMI.

The standard Pioneer sets, such as your 5060, had a one-year warranty on the display and media box; the Elite models had a two-year warranty. I had trouble with my Pioneer PRO-1130 TV's media box in the second year; the repair worked for awhile, but the problem resurfaced this fall. Following replacement of a tuner board and motherboard by the local authorized service center, Pioneer replaced the entire media center. You may find it worthwhile to talk with their service department, which is listed on their website.

Have you tried a full reboot of your media receiver? Unplug it and wait a few minutes, then plug in the power plug and turn on the TV. In the Option menu, you'll find an option to activate HDMI.

The standard Pioneer sets, such as your 5060, had a one-year warranty on the display and media box; the Elite models had a two-year warranty. I had trouble with my Pioneer PRO-1130 TV's media box in the second year; the repair worked for awhile, but the problem resurfaced this fall. Following replacement of a tuner board and motherboard by the local authorized service center, Pioneer replaced the entire media center. You may find it worthwhile to talk with their service department, which is listed on their website.

yes i tried a reboot of the system. not only the tv but my entire system. i'm on hold with pioneer right now as i type and will see what they say. i hope it's a simple, cheap fix. i'm kind of surprised that a pioneer unit would only last less than 3 years before something went wrong (assuming something is definitely wron g with the unit).

edit: pioneer response: "sounds like it's my hdmi board. need to go to a service center for repair". i asked if i could purchase a new media receiver and was told they don't have any and don't know where to get one sicne they were produced along with the display only.

edit: local service center coming tomorrow between 5-7PM EST. will keep you informed.

edit: service center said it was hdmi board. $350 for board and $150 for installation. wow!

anyone else have a media receiver crap out at about 2 1/2 years?

anyone else have a media receiver crap out at about 2 1/2 years?

I have been experiencing problems with my tuner. What doesn't work on yours? Is it completely dead?

Mark

I have been experiencing problems with my tuner. What doesn't work on yours? Is it completely dead?

Mark

my hdmi inputs on the pdp-r06u media receiver don't work. the service center that came to my house said it was an hdmi output board that needs to be replaced. $500 before tax. might get another estimate before i decide. my 5060 is 2 1/2 years old.

other than that it works fine. i am currently using component for the cable box and my ps3. but i won't get all the new codecs on optical out from the ps3 unlike i can from hdmi. my receiver is 1.3 so i need the hdmi to work for the audio. i feel that the picture is better through hdmi also.

I have been experiencing problems with my tuner. What doesn't work on yours? Is it completely dead?

Mark

My 1130 has started blinking recently while watching cable. Should I expect imminent media receiver failure? :eek:

My 1130 has started blinking recently while watching cable. Should I expect imminent media receiver failure? :eek:

Mine has been flashing on and off intermittently when using the HD DVR via HDMI. I thought it was the DVR, but maybe the HDMI board is ready to croak?

The Component DVD player is fine, so I guess I should check the HDMI DVD Player. This seems to always happen when I am at work, so I can only do so much over the phone with my wife.

Mark

yeah I've had tuner problems for quite awhile. my box had a new motherboard and tuner card installed didn't help. I'm thinking its an antenna problem myself too weak of signal who knows

yeah I've had tuner problems for quite awhile. my box had a new motherboard and tuner card installed didn't help. I'm thinking its an antenna problem myself too weak of signal who knows

when you guys speak of "tuner" are you referring to the pioneer "media receiver" or the cable box tuner?

my problem is with faulty hdmi inputs on the "pioneer media receiver". i'm trying to find out if others have had this or other problems with their pioneer media receivers in less than three years of purchasing new.

when you guys speak of "tuner" are you referring to the pioneer "media receiver" or the cable box tuner?

my problem is with faulty hdmi inputs on the "pioneer media receiver". i'm trying to find out if others have had this or other problems with their pioneer media receivers in less than three years of purchasing new.

When I say "tuner", I am referring to the ATSC (aka OTA HDTV) Tuner built into the media receiver. On mine, I can no longer pick up the digital channels, so I think it is now TANGO UNIFORM. The analog tuner still works.

On the HDMI issue I was having, I think I narrowed it down to a receiver cable interface issue. However, given the random nature of the phenomenon's occurrence, I cannot say for sure.

Mark

My digital tuner stops working from time to time. To fix it, I power the unit off, unplug the media receiver for a couple of minutes and then turn it on and try rescanning. I would like to know what causes this... but my box started doing that about a year or two in. My analog tuner always works...

My digital tuner stops working from time to time. To fix it, I power the unit off, unplug the media receiver for a couple of minutes and then turn it on and try rescanning. I would like to know what causes this... but my box started doing that about a year or two in. My analog tuner always works...Same here.

My digital tuner stops working from time to time. To fix it, I power the unit off, unplug the media receiver for a couple of minutes and then turn it on and try rescanning. I would like to know what causes this... but my box started doing that about a year or two in. My analog tuner always works...

Same here.

I think someone told me that last year, but I had forgotten. Good thing I mentioned it, with the new TV season coming up.

Thanks.

Mark

Well after 2 1/2 years looks like my 4360 gave up on me. It starts up but it says "Please wait. Starting up." It stays on for like a minute saying that then it just shuts off on its own.

I tried disconnecting everything for like 3 days and nothing. Anyone have any suggestions?

I guess mine did.

anyone else have a media receiver crap out at about 2 1/2 years?

I no longer have my 1130HD and miss the TV Guide, after all the complaints about it.

Any help please? I called Pioneer authorized service center, they asked how many times does the blue light on the MR blink? I counted it, blinks 12 times. Does that mean anything?


Well after 2 1/2 years looks like my 4360 gave up on me. It starts up but it says "Please wait. Starting up." It stays on for like a minute saying that then it just shuts off on its own.

I tried disconnecting everything for like 3 days and nothing. Anyone have any suggestions?

I used to get a 12 blinks and it would take a long time to start up (but it would start up) and it would turn itself of randomly it seemed. But resetting the guide and disabling it fixed that for me. Do you use the NTSC, QAM, or ATSC tuner?

How do you disable the guide? I tried using it long time ago but didn't like it. I'm not using the tuner. I have it connected component & HDMI.

I used to get a 12 blinks and it would take a long time to start up (but it would start up) and it would turn itself of randomly it seemed. But resetting the guide and disabling it fixed that for me. Do you use the NTSC, QAM, or ATSC tuner?

:mad: I'm getting the damn random shut off and blinking blue lights.

It happened 3 times today. The first time, I would have been using the QAM tuner, watching TV after work. The next 2 times, were watching my DVR via my HDMI #1.

I noticed it once last week, and now 3 times today. I'm no doctor, but it seems to be getting worse. :rolleyes: Maybe I need to call somebody to get this looked at.

:mad: I'm getting the damn random shut off and blinking blue lights.

It happened 3 times today. The first time, I would have been using the QAM tuner, watching TV after work. The next 2 times, were watching my DVR via my HDMI #1.

I noticed it once last week, and now 3 times today. I'm no doctor, but it seems to be getting worse. :rolleyes: Maybe I need to call somebody to get this looked at.

You know, mine was acting up awhile back, then it stopped.

Damn...probably jinxed it now.:rolleyes:

Mark

You know, mine was acting up awhile back, then it stopped.

Damn...probably jinxed it now.:rolleyes:

Mark

Hopefully you didn't jinx it! :)

I'll just have to wait it out. It sounds like I have options. It's not like I really need HDMI. I don't have a Blu-Ray player, and my DVR is a standalone thing, only recording SD. I realllly don't want to give up my TV Guide, but it could be an option.

Have to move my pdp4360hd to another room, unfortunately i bought the plasma in canada, therefore, it came with no stand or side speakers, just the monitor itself.whereas in us it was offered with both items, but i guess thats besides the piont. there is no room on the wall to mount it, so i need a stand, apparently the PKD TS12 or the PKD 1013 will be fine, but can't find one anywhere and did check everywhere this is my last ditch effort. likewise, the sidemount speakers which are the PDP -S37LR seem to be impossible to find aswell. So does anybody know about these items i do live on the can us border and have a us mailing adress so cross border stuff wouldn't be a problem. The stand is the most important as i could simplly by a speaker in the box system but reallly just want to keep it simple and have the side mount speakers, any info are help would be greatly appreciated...thanks.

I have the PDK-TS10 stand that came with my 4360. It is a fixed -- non swivel mount, black support bars and silver base. Do you have the bolts that attach the plasma to the stand? I'd have to dig to find mine. If you're interested I'll take some pictures and put it on ebay.

hi thanks, found one on ebay yesterday, finally. should be arriving soon. its the pdk 1013. would you know anything or what did you do with your side mount speakers the pdp s37. would be willing to buy those
thanks,

I am in Canada. I still have brand new stand PKD-1013 (in unopen box) for Pioneer Plasma 4360HD. If you need it, let me know.

I have a 5060HD (~2-3 yrs. old). I hooked up a Sony bluray player via hdmi and nothing. Only works with component. I'm guessing this 'old' plasma doesn't have an updated hdmi codec (1.3a)? Anyone else with this issue? Is there a firmware update I can get? I'm going to call Pioneer tomorrow to see if I can get some type of answer.

I have a 5060HD (~2-3 yrs. old). I hooked up a Sony bluray player via hdmi and nothing. Only works with component. I'm guessing this 'old' plasma doesn't have an updated hdmi codec (1.3a)? Anyone else with this issue? Is there a firmware update I can get? I'm going to call Pioneer tomorrow to see if I can get some type of answer.That stinks. I would have thought HDMI1.3a is backwards compatible... or else why buy now to find out it no longer works; kind of like deflation?

Make sure the Input setting that you are using is activated to accept HDMI. If have to switch it on; check the manual. Something like; => Home Menu => Options => HDMI Input => Setting => Enable. Maybe that will work.

Joe, there's a switch on the AV menu for my Elite Pro-1130 (and I assume on your 5060) to activate the HDMI port. On my set, I'd press the Home Menu button on the remote and go to the Option menu to activate the HDMI input. You should be able to download the manual from the Pioneer site. I use a Playstation 3 for Blu-Ray through HDMI, and the picture is beautiful. Depending on how you configure the output settings of your Blu-Ray player, you can send the audio directly to your 5060 through HDMI or to your receiver through the optical Toslink connector (but not both at once).

Hi. I have a 5060, and just got a blu-ray player. Can any 5060 owners provide their calibration values?

Does anyone know if there were ever any firmware upgrades available for this TV? I bought mine, I believe, in '05.

On another note, is it a big drawback that this TV only supports 1080I and not 1080P? I was wondering if 1080P support could be had via a firmware update?

I purchased a 4360 with the included stand, but I'm about to purchase a new piece of furniture that is about 8" lower than my current TV table.

This stand has a second set of screw holes about 6 inches higher (for use with the larger 5060 model), but Pioneer told me I cannot safely use the higher set of attachment points with the 4360, it would be top-heavy. So, I need another stand that will put the screen higher up to compensate for the new lower furniture.

Any suggestions, or do third parties even make hardware like this? Thanks!

You Might wanna look at the Elite stand. I bought that one and increased the height by 2 inches on the longer rods (makes enough room to put my center channel without blocking the picture) I got mine of ebay so worth doing a search.
I purchased a 4360 with the included stand, but I'm about to purchase a new piece of furniture that is about 8" lower than my current TV table.

This stand has a second set of screw holes about 6 inches higher (for use with the larger 5060 model), but Pioneer told me I cannot safely use the higher set of attachment points with the 4360, it would be top-heavy. So, I need another stand that will put the screen higher up to compensate for the new lower furniture.

Any suggestions, or do third parties even make hardware like this? Thanks!

You Might wanna look at the Elite stand. I bought that one and increased the height by 2 inches on the longer rods (makes enough room to put my center channel without blocking the picture) I got mine of ebay so worth doing a search.

ditto, but I didn't think about increasing the height.

You know, mine was acting up awhile back, then it stopped.

Damn...probably jinxed it now.:rolleyes:

Mark

Walked by the family room this morning and noticed the MR had the imfamous 12 blue blinks, pause, then restarted again. I turned on the TV, and it started up normally, no messages or delays, etc.

I'm using a comcast HD box connected via COMPONENT. Perhaps a coincidence, but I've had the box for only 1 week. Up until now, I've only had coax. directly into MR without any issues.

I'm obviously out of warranty, but I definitely suspect it has something to do with how the MR interfaces with the comcast box (it just can't be this coincidental can it)?

Are there any firmware updates that may help? FWIW, I'm planning on doing the reset/unplug tonight, perhaps call pioneer support, I was thinking about using the cable card too (don't need the STB really).

Any inputs would be appreciated :(

I think it is related to using the guide info . The only time I had the problem is when I messed with guide setup. I think it gets in a weird state when it is looking for guide info and not getting it. I disabled the guide, reset, unplugged, all that stuff and eventually it went away.

Do you have the coax still going into the TV? If not you could try splitting your RF signal into the cable box and connecting it back up to the TV

I think it is related to using the guide info . The only time I had the problem is when I messed with guide setup. I think it gets in a weird state when it is looking for guide info and not getting it. I disabled the guide, reset, unplugged, all that stuff and eventually it went away.

Do you have the coax still going into the TV? If not you could try splitting your RF signal into the cable box and connecting it back up to the TV

Thanks for the quick response, newlinux.

To clarify, did you disable the TVGuide option on the TV?

I only have the coax going to the HD converter. Your suggestion sounds interesting, are you saying to split and send one coax to the ANTA (or ANTB)? Is that to enable the TVGuide to continue to get updates (although it can't really be used with the TV with HD converter)?

Thanks for the quick response, newlinux.

To clarify, did you disable the TVGuide option on the TV?

I only have the coax going to the HD converter. Your suggestion sounds interesting, are you saying to split and send one coax to the ANTA (or ANTB)? Is that to enable the TVGuide to continue to get updates (although it can't really be used with the TV with HD converter)?

Yes, I disabled the guide on the TV. I would send the antenna to whichever one you were using before, probably A (I believe that was the digital one).

Yep, it is to enable it to continue to get updates even though it can't be used with the cable set top box (although there is picture in picture)... this is just a guess and something to try - I have nothing to prove my theory other than what I've seen with problems with guide stuff on this thread and my own experience.

OK, thanks again.

Even before the blinking light, I was planning to switching out with the Cable Card. I figure it was worth a try as I don't use the features that are benefits with having the the HD box (PPV, OnDemand, ChannelGuide?). Free up space and input for me.

If I use the Cable Card, can anyone confirm if I'll be able to use the TV's TVGuide for all the available channels?

Also, with the Cable Card how would I set-up PIP, digital/analog?

I've done some searches on this topic, and it seems I won't be able to get PIP using a cable card as I'll then only have on tuner. I don't think just splitting the coax to ANTA an ANTB will work (as I'll just be getting the same channels at one time). Also, it seems the manual advises against doing this.

Sorry for so many questions...it's seems I have more questions on the visual side of things as of late.

Does anyone know if there were ever any firmware upgrades available for this TV? I bought mine, I believe, in '05.

On another note, is it a big drawback that this TV only supports 1080I and not 1080P? I was wondering if 1080P support could be had via a firmware update?


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Does anyone know if there were ever any firmware upgrades available for this TV? I bought mine, I believe, in '05.

On another note, is it a big drawback that this TV only supports 1080I and not 1080P? I was wondering if 1080P support could be had via a firmware update?

If you search this thread, you'll see a discussion of 1080p support. This TV will accept 1080p, but doesn't report that it does, so devices that can do a forced 1080p mode can send 1080p to this set. Of course, your native resolution is still your native resolution, which is not 1080p, which is why I don't think it is that big of a deal (this is a 768P set). More details on how to setup your TV to do this are in this thread.

OK, thanks again.

Even before the blinking light, I was planning to switching out with the Cable Card. I figure it was worth a try as I don't use the features that are benefits with having the the HD box (PPV, OnDemand, ChannelGuide?). Free up space and input for me.

If I use the Cable Card, can anyone confirm if I'll be able to use the TV's TVGuide for all the available channels?

Also, with the Cable Card how would I set-up PIP, digital/analog?

I've done some searches on this topic, and it seems I won't be able to get PIP using a cable card as I'll then only have on tuner. I don't think just splitting the coax to ANTA an ANTB will work (as I'll just be getting the same channels at one time). Also, it seems the manual advises against doing this.

Sorry for so many questions...it's seems I have more questions on the visual side of things as of late.

Yes, the guide works with a cable card. With a cable card, I believe PIP only works with one source being a tuner and the other source being a non tuner input (S-video, composite, HDMI, component), like a cable box or digital camera, or VCR, or dvd player...

i need a little help.

i need the 10m cable, pda-h03 for my 4360 to hide the cable in-wall, but all of the retailers are discontinued it seems. can anyone help?

i need a little help.

i need the 10m cable, pda-h03 for my 4360 to hide the cable in-wall, but all of the retailers are discontinued it seems. can anyone help?

Since day one of using my Elite 1130hd 3 years ago I have used 30 feet of DVI-I cable plus 30 feet of a "data" cable, both of which my small-time electronics store suggested and ordered. These are essentially what Pioneer's black and white cables are. The store is called Hoopers in Birmingham AL if you want to google it and call. I paid around $200 + tax, which was WAY less expensive than what Pioneer was charging (like $600 or something). Plus, I don't think I could find the cable from Pioneer back then either. Tell them what I just wrote down here and I'll bet they might even remember the transaction.

EDIT: the phone number off my 3 year old invoice from Hooper's is 205.408.0400. I think the store moved, so the phone number could have changed as well. I think the guy I worked with's name was Mark, but I'm not 100% positive about that.

Since day one of using my Elite 1130hd 3 years ago I have used 30 feet of DVI-I cable plus 30 feet of a "data" cable, both of which my small-time electronics store suggested and ordered. These are essentially what Pioneer's black and white cables are. The store is called Hoopers in Birmingham AL if you want to google it and call. I paid around $200 + tax, which was WAY less expensive than what Pioneer was charging (like $600 or something). Plus, I don't think I could find the cable from Pioneer back then either. Tell them what I just wrote down here and I'll bet they might even remember the transaction.

EDIT: the phone number off my 3 year old invoice from Hooper's is 205.408.0400. I think the store moved, so the phone number could have changed as well. I think the guy I worked with's name was Mark, but I'm not 100% positive about that.

thank you very much. do you by any chance recall that the name of the connector for the "data" cable is called? also, would Hoopers by chance make it in custom lengths? i don't need the whole 30', it was just the only next size up available i found.

Since day one of using my Elite 1130hd 3 years ago I have used 30 feet of DVI-I cable plus 30 feet of a "data" cable, both of which my small-time electronics store suggested and ordered. These are essentially what Pioneer's black and white cables are. The store is called Hoopers in Birmingham AL if you want to google it and call. I paid around $200 + tax, which was WAY less expensive than what Pioneer was charging (like $600 or something). Plus, I don't think I could find the cable from Pioneer back then either. Tell them what I just wrote down here and I'll bet they might even remember the transaction.

EDIT: the phone number off my 3 year old invoice from Hooper's is 205.408.0400. I think the store moved, so the phone number could have changed as well. I think the guy I worked with's name was Mark, but I'm not 100% positive about that.

oh, one more thing. I found a 50' cable on ebay for an excellent price. the description says it's a DVI-D/MDR20 for Pioneer and Sharp plasmas that use a media receiver. I'm a little confused because you said your cable was a DVI-I. Would the DVI-D work?

oh, one more thing. I found a 50' cable on ebay for an excellent price. the description says it's a DVI-D/MDR20 for Pioneer and Sharp plasmas that use a media receiver. I'm a little confused because you said your cable was a DVI-I. Would the DVI-D work?

Sorry I can't help you more. I was told it was dvi-i but I don't have anything else to back it up. Don't know the more descriptive term for the data cable either which was my main reason for referring you to Hoopers with the idea they could be more informative. They did not make the cables, just ordered them so thru might be able to order different lengths. As for the eBay item, it certainly sounds promising. Research dvi-i and dvi-d on wikipedia perhaps, to gain a little more understanding about the differences if there are any.

EDIT: dvi-i will transfer digital and analog; dvi-d only does digital - from the wikipedia entry for DVI (digital visual interface).

Sorry I can't help you more. I was told it was dvi-i but I don't have anything else to back it up. Don't know the more descriptive term for the data cable either which was my main reason for referring you to Hoopers with the idea they could be more informative. They did not make the cables, just ordered them so thru might be able to order different lengths. As for the eBay item, it certainly sounds promising. Research dvi-i and dvi-d on wikipedia perhaps, to gain a little more understanding about the differences if there are any.

EDIT: dvi-i will transfer digital and analog; dvi-d only does digital - from the wikipedia entry for DVI (digital visual interface).

well i offered the seller $100, he was asking $140. it's a 50' Key Digital Cable which after searching this thread, is the only pre-made cable that's been recommended. 50' is more than i need, but the price is right. After looking at the wiki page, DVI-I tramsits digital and analog and DVI-D is digital only. I believe that the link between the media reciever and the monitor is digital only, so I suspect I should be ok.