Thanks D-Nice, 5061=5060
Actually, the 5061 comes with a flat wall mount, the 5060 does not. Otherwise, identical sets.

I don't have a Cable Company STB or CableCard just yet myself. I've read 2 sets of problems. One is confusion when mixing Cable with OTA. The other is default order of channels is not what you want and it's tedious to get them in the right order and easy to lose that customization. Some cable cards have caused problems on some TV's like the Panny's. I have not seen those sort of issues (in this thread anyway) for the Pio's.

But I think if you can get a CableCard to work using the integrated Tuner you'll get the most out of the TV. Ask your CableCompany if you can try both or what the options are to switch.

No Juggling 2 remotes.
You'll get the best picture for sure using Media Center.

Now if the STB your thinking of includes a DVR then there is not much choice.

Thanks for that answer. I have Tivo now.. how does that factor into the mix here? I can get the DVR STB or the cable card. but the cable card obviosuly doesn't do DVR... so can i still have Tivo, and will it work well?

Probably getting too far off topic for this thread.

Lot's of options and depends on what you want long term and your priorities.

My 5060 is set to arrive tomorrow afternoon. Anybody have recommended picture settings? All the ones I found in this thread are for the 1130. Thanks!

I tried these settings and I still have an overall washed out picture, like I used to have on my LCD. I actually put my color back to 0 because your setting of -16 was way too low for me.

I was expecting the "3D" look in that the black parts of the image were the same black as the bezel (I have heard that plasmas have the ability to completely turn off a pixel if it is in a black area of the scene - is this true, and how do I have it do this?), and shadow detail is close to what you would see in real life.

I've seen pix of the 6th gen pioneers where they show this effect. Maybe it was just the camera creating that illusion, as I never saw this on a real-live display yet... but I know it's possible. I bought a plasma to get good black level and I refuse to believe that this is as good as it gets. I watch a lot of dark movies and I don't really care if I have to sacrifice some brightness in bright scenes if I can get superb black level in dark scenes.

My question - is the washed out look of my black level because it is a new panel and I have to keep the contrast at this low level for the first 100 hours? I see in post #977, someone suggested settings that included contrast at 36. Would this help or hurt, and if it would create a more 3D-like image, would it be a bad idea to do it before 100 hours? Also, what is the purpose of changing the individual high/low colors and color management?


Errr, I know that I'm really late on answering this post (just found it). The settings I posted are for a HD content NOT DVDs (my color setting is in the + range for my DVD player). I didn't want to post any DVD settings as they can vary significantly between different brand and model DVD players. If you have a Denon 2910, I will be more than happy to give you some settings for that player. I think I'm going to hookup my Denon 3910 to the 930 this weekend. If anyone has that player I'll share those settings.

My 5060 is set to arrive tomorrow afternoon. Anybody have recommended picture settings? All the ones I found in this thread are for the 1130. Thanks!

These should work, although I do not own a 5060....

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: +1
Color: -15 or -14
Tint: 1
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Standard

Color Detail
Color Temp: Mid or Warm (Warm is closer to 6500)
CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

Also, make sure you go into the options menu and turn the power save mode to save2.

pulled the trigger . . . fell off the fence . . . dropped the soap in the shower . . . you pick the metaphor, but I ordered a 5060 from TVA yesterday. This 4-month quest has revealed how truly obsessive compulsive I must be. Like so many, it came down to the Panny 8UK or the Pio 5060. I saw them (actually a Panny 500U) side by side and honestly could have been perfectly happy with the picture quality of either. The Pio had the advantage of simpler set up for my application, nicer design and the fact that it's possible to actually buy one. I also think I'll prefer the brighter screen since we do get some sun on that wall. Also, the total out-of-pocket price differential wasn't as great as I imagined it would be.

Thanks to everyone who patiently explained this technology and shared their experiences. I will do the same once I take delivery.

Angus

Is anyone using a Panasonic DVD-S77S upconverting DVD player with their display, specifically a Pio 5060? How do you like it? Are you noticing any macro-blocking?

I just picked one up and am trying to see if it has macro-blocking but it's kindda hard when i don't know what to look for.

Here are my settings on my 5060 connected to a SA 8300HD DVR

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 28
Brightness: +1
Color: -12
Tint: 2
Sharpness: 0

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Adv

Color Detail
Color Temp: Mid
CTI: On

NR
DNR: Mid
MPEG NR: Low

Power Save: save1

Is anyone using a Panasonic DVD-S77S upconverting DVD player with their display, specifically a Pio 5060? How do you like it? Are you noticing any macro-blocking?

I just picked one up and am trying to see if it has macro-blocking but it's kindda hard when i don't know what to look for.
I have the S77 and was using it with my 1130 via HDMI at 1080. I like that player a lot. I have noticed no macroblocking. I needed to set the S77 brightness at +1 to get BTB to show with DVE, no other compensation in the player's adjustments.

Hi everybody,

About four weeks ago, I decided that I wanted a flat screen TV for my bedroom. Not knowing much about plasmas or LCDs, I ventured out to the B&M stores in my area. The first thing that caught my attention was the Sony 40” Bravia LCD. Afterwards, I went online and began learning everything possible about the TV. I wanted to make sure I was making a good choice. Once I was done with my research, I determined that the Sony didn’t have such great blacks and that TV for me perhaps was the Panasonic 500U.

While at BB looking at the Pani 500U, I saw the Pioneer PDP-4360-HD for the first time and fell in love with it. I had no idea Pioneer made such awesome TVs. From then on, I knew that was my TV. The colors, the blacks, and the design of the TV were just amazing. So I went back online. That is when I found the next best thing after the Pio, this forum. I read all 40 some pages of comments, questions, and answers. It read like a novel. It is a good thing that the site shuts down around 2am PST. Otherwise I would have not slept all night reading.

From your comments and suggestions, tomorrow I am placing an order for the Pioneer PRO-930HD. You have no idea how excited I am. I have also learned what DVD player to get (thanks pstrisik), the settings for the TV (thanks D-Nice), what to do and what not to do during the burn in period.

So thanks everybody. You are a cool group of people. I will let you know when I get the TV and most definitely will post pictures.

elgin

I agree, this forum is awesome. I have been searching on here since July 05. Ever since I went in to a B & M and saw a plasma smorgasbord. The salesman at the time was filling in and was actually from their tech dept.

He set me on course to start my reviews and since that initial time i have change Plasma manufacturers & sets 4 times.

I started with samsung, then liked the phillips, on to the Hitachci and ultimately the pioneer won ( that was always my favorite, but was just too expensive)

I want to point out that about a month ago I walked into a costco and saw the PDP4312 and alot of people on here were saying its a great deal, and even though Costco is not an authorized distributor, that their liberal return policy (2 years no questions asked) was why they were so competitive.

Well a diligent member did some homework with Pioneer and found out those sets are stripped down versions, with none of the latest technology. I was like OMG I almost spent $$$$ and would not have gotten what I wanted.

I then started asking questions on here on who to look at, for the best deal. The response I got ( I just ordered it last week. PDP4360 hd ) was TV Authority. Which is an authorized Distributor.

The pioneers offer one year in home warranty and an 8 pixel bad exchange policy. TVA adds to that policy by setting the standard to 1 bad pixel exchange policy for AVS Forum members.

I am sharing this with you because I have discussed this with alot of sales people as well, and the model you bought ( the elite) from my understanding is not any better ( except the cabinet) than the pdp 4360hd. The Elite cannot be ordered on line and therefore I would imagine you could be paying up to$1500 more than what I got the PDP4360hd at TVauthority at. Plus the enhanced warranty.

I just wanted to share with you since so many people have help to guide me along the way.

Good Luck and enjoy.

Chris

Hi everybody,

About four weeks ago, I decided that I wanted a flat screen TV for my bedroom. Not knowing much about plasmas or LCDs, I ventured out to the B&M stores in my area. The first thing that caught my attention was the Sony 40” Bravia LCD. Afterwards, I went online and began learning everything possible about the TV. I wanted to make sure I was making a good choice. Once I was done with my research, I determined that the Sony didn’t have such great blacks and that TV for me perhaps was the Panasonic 500U.

While at BB looking at the Pani 500U, I saw the Pioneer PDP-4360-HD for the first time and fell in love with it. I had no idea Pioneer made such awesome TVs. From then on, I knew that was my TV. The colors, the blacks, and the design of the TV were just amazing. So I went back online. That is when I found the next best thing after the Pio, this forum. I read all 40 some pages of comments, questions, and answers. It read like a novel. It is a good thing that the site shuts down around 2am PST. Otherwise I would have not slept all night reading.

From your comments and suggestions, tomorrow I am placing an order for the Pioneer PRO-930HD. You have no idea how excited I am. I have also learned what DVD player to get (thanks pstrisik), the settings for the TV (thanks D-Nice), what to do and what not to do during the burn in period.

So thanks everybody. You are a cool group of people. I will let you know when I get the TV and most definitely will post pictures.

elgin

Enjoy your plasma :)

I agree, this forum is awesome. I have been searching on here since July 05. Ever since I went in to a B & M and saw a plasma smorgasbord. The salesman at the time was filling in and was actually from their tech dept.

He set me on course to start my reviews and since that initial time i have change Plasma manufacturers & sets 4 times.

I started with samsung, then liked the phillips, on to the Hitachci and ultimately the pioneer won ( that was always my favorite, but was just too expensive)

I want to point out that about a month ago I walked into a costco and saw the PDP4312 and alot of people on here were saying its a great deal, and even though Costco is not an authorized distributor, that their liberal return policy (2 years no questions asked) was why they were so competitive.

Well a diligent member did some homework with Pioneer and found out those sets are stripped down versions, with none of the latest technology. I was like OMG I almost spent $$$$ and would not have gotten what I wanted.

I then started asking questions on here on who to look at, for the best deal. The response I got ( I just ordered it last week. PDP4360 hd ) was TV Authority. Which is an authorized Distributor.

The pioneers offer one year in home warranty and an 8 pixel bad exchange policy. TVA adds to that policy by setting the standard to 1 bad pixel exchange policy for AVS Forum members.

I am sharing this with you because I have discussed this with alot of sales people as well, and the model you bought ( the elite) from my understanding is not any better ( except the cabinet) than the pdp 4360hd. The Elite cannot be ordered on line and therefore I would imagine you could be paying up to$1500 more than what I got the PDP4360hd at TVauthority at. Plus the enhanced warranty.

I just wanted to share with you since so many people have help to guide me along the way.

Good Luck and enjoy.

Chris

You may be amazed at what you can get the Eilte for from an authorized dealer...the price gap is far less than you think. Enjoy your 4360. Make sure you post your impressions after you get it home.

Congrats elgin - it's a great feeling to finally make a decision and pull the trigger!

You may be amazed at what you can get the Eilte for from an authorized dealer...the price gap is far less than you think. Enjoy your 4360. Make sure you post your impressions after you get it home.

I have yet to figure out how to get an Elite less than MSRP which is just too much.

They are not legally authorized on the internet and the B&M places I went to would not budge.

I have yet to figure out how to get an Elite less than MSRP which is just too much.

They are not legally authorized on the internet and the B&M places I went to would not budge.

Without posting an actual price, I'm going to say that I used a 10% coupon I got from Tweeter, which came out to be even lower than their preferred customer discount.

By getting a non elite I effectively got %30 discount.

I have yet to figure out how to get an Elite less than MSRP which is just too much.

They are not legally authorized on the internet and the B&M places I went to would not budge.

I don't know why they would not budge. I can get a good deal at my local Tweeter and a better deal from one of their local competition. I only paid $400 more than the TVA price for my 930.

D-Nice, I think it may have to do with timing (i.e. supply and demand and possibly location). If you bought it in September or earlier they may have dealed. But in late October and Nov they would not because they could not push them out the door fast enough at their normal prices.

I tried 2 Tweeters, 2 BB. None would budge on either Elite or Non-Elite.

It may even be easier now after Black Friday.

D-Nice, I think it may have to do with timing (i.e. supply and demand and possibly location). If you bought it in September or earlier they may have dealed. But in late October they would not because they could not push them out the door fast enough at their normal prices.

I tried 2 Tweeters, 2 BB, 2 CC. None would budge on either Elite or Non-Elite.

It may even be easier now after Black Friday.

That may be true. I'll be testing the waters again real soon as I'm going to purchase the 1130. I'll let you know what deal I got.

Just ordered the 5060 yesterday from Coza Inc. Not going to mention the price, but it was $$$ less than TV Authority with the shipping and insurance. This forum is great, and I want to says thank you for all the info from the members. I called every authorized dealer on Pioneers web site and Coza was the best price. They said would ship out on Friday 12/2. I also asked every dealer about the Elite. Only 2 of them (Coza and Invision) carried the Elite models, and all they had was the 1120.

EDIT>>

No price talk. Thanks

I'm buying a 930 for the bedroom this week hopefully... Can't wait to get it

I, too, have taken the plunge and purchased the 5060 (actually 5061) from BB. I won't mention price, but I did not have the same trouble as mswlogo.

I've just put it together and did the channel set up from my Comcast (basic+standard) feed. I was happy to see that I am getting network HD channels without Digital Cable. I plan to upgrade to get ESPNHD, etc but it was nice to watch the MNF game in HD last night! I'm still reading through the manual...trying to find time with a 2 week newborn now.

Thanks to everyone for insightful comments and discussion...especially to D-Nice and eelton! I even snagged the PDK-1011 stand off Ebay for $26 shipped.

Eephus,

Congrats on all the new toys!! A new baby and a new toy. Of course, the toy is definitely for you, although you'll be watching Toy Story & Finding Nemo on your 5060 before you know it!!

Drop some of your info and experiences on the 5060 when you get the chance, especially some SD material and how it looks. I already have knowledge about the newborn part, so you can save that!!

Congrats again. Best wishes.

-Scott

[QUOTE=cuspid]Just ordered the 5060 yesterday from Coza Inc. Not going to mention the price, but it was $$$ less than TV Authority with the shipping and insurance. This forum is great, and I want to says thank you for all the info from the members. I called every authorized dealer on Pioneers web site and Coza was the best price. They said would ship out on Friday 12/2. I also asked every dealer about the Elite. Only 2 of them (Coza and Invision) carried the Elite models, and all they had was the 1120.

Cuspid,

Did you talk with Lou there at Coza?? He seems like I pretty good guy. He does have the best price on the 5060, as well as a 4 year extended warranty. Granted, his best price may only beat the next guy by a benjamin or so, but still, a dollar is a dollar, right??!!

I have heard many people here mention the excellent return policy and other selling features that TVA has to offer. The nice thing about TVA is the no restocking fees should you decide you don't want it. However, should you return it to TVA, you get dinged for the shipping BOTH ways, but then again, at least you're not stuck with the set. Now granted, I am sure their price for the 5060hd is only a little bit more than what Coza may be charging, but so long as you know for certain this is the set you want and have zero plans on returning it, you can't go wrong with your purchase from Coza. But if you do want to send it back, keep in mind their 25% restocking fee. :eek:

Drop some knowledge on us when you get the set up and going. Congrats again.

-Scott

I have been seriously considering the purchase of the Pioneer Elite PRO-1130HD. From what I am reading it looks like I won't be disappointed.

Is there are reason to NOT go the Elite route and buy the PDP model?

Any current suggestions of Internet purchases? (although I understand Pioneer discourages this)

Thanks!

Just received my 5060. Everything is ok except I'm a little baffled by the tuner. It seems brain dead.

I just purchased a Sony HDD250 this past weekend (Which I love as much as the TV).
All I did was hook up OTA Ant and Basic Cable. It did a search and found everything on both inputs. That is, on the OTA it found 18 Digital Stations and 14 Analog. On Cable it found like 30 Analog stations and 8 Digital (QAM). And it gave a nice summary of what it found. Then you went in and did a hide on which ones you didn't want to see. TV Guide was independent and basically downloaded everything offered in the area and then you do the same and Hide what you don't want. Independently of what ever it finds I can punch in any channel (e.g. 7.1).

Now for the Pioneer Tuner. I did the search on each antenna input and I told it appropriate Cable or Air. But it only finds Analog stations. When I try to Add a Channel it says "Illegal" it already exists. These channels are it's Channel Slots and everyone is mapped even though most have nothing there. I have not let TV-Guide download yet, but I'm not sure it will help because TV-Guide is just a channel listing for the area, it does not have anything to do with what channels you will actually receive or not. It won't let me punch in any digital channels directly either (i.e. no 7.1) it just goes 7 and ignores the DOT.

I also don't see how you remove a channel or edit one, only add.

What am I doing wrong?

I had a chance to stop by Best Buy and finally see a 5061HD in person. But I also got to see a 1130 in the Magnolia section of this BB. I have to say that I am seriously slipping towards a Pioneer.

I asked the sales guy to play a Star Wars DVD on the 1130. When I saw the 5050 last weekend, I was pretty discouraged by the blacks. I saw Revenge of the Sith on the 5050 and the space scenes looked grayish. And shadow scenes were muddy during the saber fight at the begining of the film. On the 1130, I saw Attack of the Clones, the sequence when Jango Fett is chasing Obi Wan through the asteroids. While not a direct comparison, the space scenes did look a lot blacker to me. The black bars on top and below were pretty black and close if not the same black as the space scenes. Shadow areas did look pretty darn good. The 5061 around the corner also looked quite good. Though I didn't see the same DVD on this set, just the demo material they have looping through all the sets there. One scene was from Revenge of the Sith.

I asked him, what was the difference between the 5061 and the 1130 since I was leaning to the 5061. He felt the 1130 was superior to the 5061, the electronics are a step up, the scaler was better and displayed SD material better and the glass had higher density something or other so the colors have more brilliance and the detail is greater. Not that the 5061 was a inferior set, he said for $500 more, why not get the best. Of course he's doing his job to sell.

I told him I was looking at the Panny 500u. He felt it could not compare well to the Pio 1130. That surprised me given all the praise that set gets and it was the machine I was seriously going for. But he also surprised me by telling me that Panasonic is discontinuing it. They cannot keep up with the demand, so they are cancelling the model! I wonder if this is true.

So did the salesman tell me the truth regarding the 1130 verses the 5061? Is it that much better? If I go for the 1130, I gather from what I read, you cannot buy it over the internet, not that I would. I prefer a B&M, but then it's pretty pricy compared to the price I got quoted for a 5060 from TVA. The 1130 is a beautiful set and can see it in my home! Thanks for more of your invaluable help!

Nelson

First off, thanks to everyone on this thread for sharing their knowledge and experiences regarding the 6G Pio plasmas. Your input has helped me cross the threshold from "observer" to "owner." I'm very excited to bring home my new 1130, which I have just been informed is sitting in my local BB/Magnolia warehouse awaiting my arrival. Too bad I have to wait until my remodel is done before I can go pick it up... please let it be finished before Christmas!!! :D

I do have one question for all of you regarding my set up:
is it okay or a bad thing if the 1130's video cables and power cable share the same conduit???

For my install, I will have the media box installed in a cabinet next to the tv. I have a 2" conduit run from that cabinet to a spot behind the tv based on my plasma mount. My question is, would it be okay to run both the 1130's power cord AND the video panel connection cables inside that same conduit or could this affect the signal/picture quality due to interference created by having AC running in such close proximity? I'm sure that running a standard AC power cord in a wall is not to code, so from that standpoint the letter-of-the-law/code answer is "use romex to a tv height outlet," but from a pure video quality/potential interference standpoint is there any concern that they share the same run? I guess secondarily I should ask: do I need to be concerned about how closely a romex run is to the conduit if I go that route?

My "it's okay" reasoning: the cables for the 1130 are carrying a digital signal and not succeptible to the interference that the power cord would introduce.

My "it's a bad thing" reasoning: AC power run in parallel to analog lines wreaks havoc on the signal when run parallel in close proximities. I have taken painstaking efforts to keep all my new in wall wiring (speaker cables, coax, Cat5e) away from all the romex, why risk it with the tv?-- run a separate conduit or install an outlet at tv level.

Okay, any EE's out there with a definitive answer? Any links to something intelligent I should read on the subject?

Thanks again to everyone for all the input (and occasional entertainment!) over the last few months on this thread.

Cheers!

I had a chance to stop by Best Buy and finally see a 5061HD in person. But I also got to see a 1130 in the Magnolia section of this BB. I have to say that I am seriously slipping towards a Pioneer.

I asked the sales guy to play a Star Wars DVD on the 1130. When I saw the 5050 last weekend, I was pretty discouraged by the blacks. I saw Revenge of the Sith on the 5050 and the space scenes looked grayish. And shadow scenes were muddy during the saber fight at the begining of the film. On the 1130, I saw Attack of the Clones, the sequence when Jango Fett is chasing Obi Wan through the asteroids. While not a direct comparison, the space scenes did look a lot blacker to me. The black bars on top and below were pretty black and close if not the same black as the space scenes. Shadow areas did look pretty darn good. The 5061 around the corner also looked quite good. Though I didn't see the same DVD on this set, just the demo material they have looping through all the sets there. One scene was from Revenge of the Sith.

I asked him, what was the difference between the 5061 and the 1130 since I was leaning to the 5061. He felt the 1130 was superior to the 5061, the electronics are a step up, the scaler was better and displayed SD material better and the glass had higher density something or other so the colors have more brilliance and the detail is greater. Not that the 5061 was a inferior set, he said for $500 more, why not get the best. Of course he's doing his job to sell.

I told him I was looking at the Panny 500u. He felt it could not compare well to the Pio 1130. That surprised me given all the praise that set gets and it was the machine I was seriously going for. But he also surprised me by telling me that Panasonic is discontinuing it. They cannot keep up with the demand, so they are cancelling the model! I wonder if this is true.

So did the salesman tell me the truth regarding the 1130 verses the 5061? Is it that much better? If I go for the 1130, I gather from what I read, you cannot buy it over the internet, not that I would. I prefer a B&M, but then it's pretty pricy compared to the price I got quoted for a 5060 from TVA. The 1130 is a beautiful set and can see it in my home! Thanks for more of your invaluable help!

Nelson

Total BS. It's the SAME TV. Same Panel same Electronics. You can Tweak the Elite more (which is probably just a firmware difference) and you get a nicer stand. But if you can get the Elite for a small difference more, go for it. Compare them side-by-side and you'll see.

But he also surprised me by telling me that Panasonic is discontinuing it. They cannot keep up with the demand, so they are cancelling the model! I wonder if this is true.



Hmm, let's see, a manufacturer decides to cancel a product line because it's so successful.....me thinks your sales rep had no idea what he was talking about. It's just amazing the crap you hear from these guys. :rolleyes:

Just received my 5060. Everything is ok except I'm a little baffled by the tuner. It seems brain dead.

I just purchased a Sony HDD250 this past weekend (Which I love as much as the TV).
All I did was hook up OTA Ant and Basic Cable. It did a search and found everything on both inputs. That is, on the OTA it found 18 Digital Stations and 14 Analog. On Cable it found like 30 Analog stations and 8 Digital (QAM). And it gave a nice summary of what it found. Then you went in and did a hide on which ones you didn't want to see. TV Guide was independent and basically downloaded everything offered in the area and then you do the same and Hide what you don't want. Independently of what ever it finds I can punch in any channel (e.g. 7.1).

Now for the Pioneer Tuner. I did the search on each antenna input and I told it appropriate Cable or Air. But it only finds Analog stations. When I try to Add a Channel it says "Illegal" it already exists. These channels are it's Channel Slots and everyone is mapped even though most have nothing there. I have not let TV-Guide download yet, but I'm not sure it will help because TV-Guide is just a channel listing for the area, it does not have anything to do with what channels you will actually receive or not. It won't let me punch in any digital channels directly either (i.e. no 7.1) it just goes 7 and ignores the DOT.

I also don't see how you remove a channel or edit one, only add.

What am I doing wrong?

TV Guide loaded, but still no HD stations, not OTA or on Cable. They were listed in TV Guide with no Station Number (same thing that happened on Sony DVR). But Once I put the channel number in their, nothing happens.

I'm Baffled.

TV Guide loaded, but still no HD stations, not OTA or on Cable. They were listed in TV Guide with no Station Number (same thing that happened on Sony DVR). But Once I put the channel number in their, nothing happens.

I'm Baffled.I didn't have this problem, although I only scanned using cable; my 5061 found the digital cable channels fine. I assume you're using the A input, as the B input is analog only--which unfortunately means you can't use digital cable and OTA HD simultaneously.

Yes, I tried both ways OTA on A and OTA on B. Yes, I was coming to the conclusion that I can't get both OTA Digital and Cable Digital, not happy about that but I can live with it. But I can't seem to get ANY on either ANT.

Anyone know how to HARD RESET the Media box?

I would have never known, if not for the new Sony DVR, how brain dead this tuner is.

I found this for 5040 and 5050 and a reference that someone used the same procedure for a 5060.

I swear I saw a Green Menu on a White Background flash up but then TV-Guide replaced it.

Start with the plasma turned OFF.
Press DISPLAY on the remote (just press, do not hold).
Wait 3 seconds.
Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT then POWER (on the remote).
If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed.

Hmm, let's see, a manufacturer decides to cancel a product line because it's so successful.....me thinks your sales rep had no idea what he was talking about. It's just amazing the crap you hear from these guys. :rolleyes:

Actually Panasonic did discontinue the 50PX500u. Check the Panasonic out of stock thread. Why they did it? Who knows but they did say the BS about not being able to keep up with demand. My personal though is that the Mexican Fab plant f@*k up real bad and they have to redo everything. I have never heard of any company that "cannot meet the demand" for as long as Panasonic has stated. They are pretty much committing suicide by doing it..

I found this for 5040 and 5050 and a reference that someone used the same procedure for a 5060.

I swear I saw a Green Menu on a White Background flash up but then TV-Guide replaced it.

Start with the plasma turned OFF.
Press DISPLAY on the remote (just press, do not hold).
Wait 3 seconds.
Press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT then POWER (on the remote).
If done correctly, the plasma turns on and the INFORMATION page is displayed.

That key format will get you into the service menu... not a hard reboot. A hard reboot is no more than unplugging the power from the MR and panel for about 30 seconds.

That key format will get you into the service menu... not a hard reboot. A hard reboot is no more than unplugging the power from the MR and panel for about 30 seconds.

It did get into the Servce Menu but I had to shut Auto-On on TV-Guide off.

I don't want to reboot, I'd like to try reset to Factory, any ideas?

is it okay or a bad thing if the 1130's video cables and power cable share the same conduit???


I don't see a problem with this but it would be better just to get an outlet placed behind the plasma. Thats what I'm having done for my new house. I met with the wiring crew yesterday and they are going to put a panamax outlet behind my plasmas. Its pretty cool as I can have all of my equipment connected to the same surge protector.

I have been seriously considering the purchase of the Pioneer Elite PRO-1130HD. From what I am reading it looks like I won't be disappointed.

Is there are reason to NOT go the Elite route and buy the PDP model?

Any current suggestions of Internet purchases? (although I understand Pioneer discourages this)

Thanks!

Only B&M stores for the Elites.

It did get into the Servce Menu but I had to shut Auto-On on TV-Guide off.

I don't want to reboot, I'd like to try reset to Factory, any ideas?

Reset everything to factory or just the TV Guide?

Ok, progress.

I took the AMP out (which both my old Sony TV and the new Sony DVR liked) and I finally get OTA Digital Stations (phew). But I get no Audio on Digital Stations but do on Analog.

This does not explain why I can't get QAM Digital Stations when I had Cable on ANT A. But it may not matter since I can't have both anyway and I get more digital stations OTA than on Cable any way, but it was a nice backup during bad weather.

I assume the Audio thing is something simple. Still digging.

Fixed Audio.

Ugh - I had to use a Optical to RCA adaptor because my receive was out of optical inputs. For some reason it would not pass Dolby Digital but would pass PCM.

P.S. This is no fault of the Pioneer, it's just the crappy optical to RCA converter I had. I hate optical.

Saga continues,

Ok, Sony DVR gets AMP, Pioneer does not. So I split the signal before the AMP rather than after. Pioneer loses half the stations with no amp if I add the splitter.

In every combination AMP, no AMP, Split, no Split, Split before or after AMP, it does not care, the Sony DVR works. Pioneer is very fussy.

So I put the amp back on the Pioneer and now it works. It just can't hunt for stations while the AMP is on !!! Strange.

My 5 Year old Sony tuner was better than this Tuner.

Now, for grins I'm gonna see if I can the Pioneer to find the QAM stations on Cable again.

Reset everything to factory or just the TV Guide?

I wanted to reset everything. Namely the TV's Auto-Found Channels.

I seem to have identified the problems as I stated above, but still curious how to reset the whole TV to factory.

Is there a way to Hide or Remove a Channel from the Up/Down Channel Button list (not TV-Guide)? I see the Add, but don't see how to remove.

Thanks again for your feedback regarding my experience at BB/Magnolia last night, you guys are great!

I thought that the glass and electronics of the 5060 and 1130 were essentially the same based on the postings here.

Nelson

Thanks again for your feedback regarding my experience at BB/Magnolia last night, you guys are great!

I thought that the glass and electronics of the 5060 and 1130 were essentially the same based on the postings here.

Nelson
Here's an edited cut and paste of a post of mine from long ago (in plasma terms) on the difference between the Elite and core line:

Swivel base; much more flexible user adjustments including individual colors (6 colors vs. the single "tint" slider of the xx60), extra video mode ("PURE"), 5 vs. 3 color temp modes, Active DRE (with very nice controls over black level, contrast level, and gamma, while the xx60 has no control over DRE at all), and separate day and night callibration modes; 2 yr. vs. 1 yr. warranty; picture card slot; possibly better quality control in the factory; resale value and bragging rights of the Elite name.

Note that the Elite vs Non-Elite as far as DRE is really unknown. The Elite does not say it HAS DRE, It says it has DRE adjustment "DRE Detail Setting". I suspect the non-Elite has DRE it just does not have the "Detail Setting" of it. Like other detail settings Elite offers it's set for dummies.

Note that the Elite vs Non-Elite as far as DRE is really unknown. The Elite does not say it HAS DRE, It says it has DRE adjustment "DRE Detail Setting". I suspect the non-Elite has DRE it just does not have the "Detail Setting" of it. Like other detail settings Elite offers it's set for dummies.

The Elites have Active DRE with detail settings. The 60 series does not.....confirmed thru a call to Pioneer yesterday.

Note that the Elite vs Non-Elite as far as DRE is really unknown. The Elite does not say it HAS DRE, It says it has DRE adjustment "DRE Detail Setting". I suspect the non-Elite has DRE it just does not have the "Detail Setting" of it. Like other detail settings Elite offers it's set for dummies.

Elite's have Active DRE ... which is different from the DRE setting of the old 1120 (non Active). The 5060 does not show DRE or Active DRE on the pull sheets (pioneer's information sheets) at all, and I have not played with a 5060, so I have no idea if the panel actually has it or not. The Elite has adjustment for off, low, mid, high, while the 5060 is unknown.

If you could tell us if your 5060 has any on/off for DRE in its menu's that would be great.

The Elites have Active DRE with detail settings. The 60 series does not.....confirmed thru a call to Pioneer yesterday.

Thanks D-Nice

The Elites have Active DRE with detail settings. The 60 series does not.....confirmed thru a call to Pioneer yesterday.
The trouble is we can't rely on these calls. I had called a couple of months ago and was told that the 60s had DRE, just not adjustable. I don't know where they get the info they relate. I'd rather they say "Don't know" than guess. At least we know one of these two reps was right. :rolleyes: (I hope we both didn't talk to the same one!)

I think the only ones that really know, are the engineers that built it. I know my Product Managers for software I write don't have a clue. And Tech Support is even worse.

The only way to tell is to put them side-by-side, same source, same calibration and toggle DRE on the Elite.

My guess is, it's partial on.

The Non-Elite if like a Car with Dummy lights instead of Gauges. They pre-set what they think the average user would like best. If DRE is off I think, they think the average user would want it off. I really don't think they would cripple it just for Elite sales. With the competition they are against.

The Blacks look as black and detailed as any CRT on 5060. I don't even have an urge to play with any of the settings I do have. At least not yet.

Peter,

Am I correct in thinking that you had an 1130 and then got rid of it? I say that based on the 'My Former Setup' hyperlink in your signature. I did try searching through the thread and couldn't find a message stating if that is the case and why you decided against the 1130.

I ask because I purchased two of the 43A35HDs from Tweeter last week (which I'm EXTREMELY happy with, especially for the price!!) and am going to return one for either a 50A35HD from Costco, a 5060 from TVA, or an 1130 from Tweeter (they are going to give me what I think is a pretty decent price). There is still a large price gap between the 5060 and 1130 with the prices I've been quoted but I'm inclined to go for the 1130 anyway. I love the design/esthetics/bragging rights, extra controls, warranty, and buying from a B&M two blocks away from my house that will deliver next day. So I'm curious as to if/why you decided against the 1130 after purchasing/testing it. I've been following these threads for months and really appreciate/respect the insight you and D-Nice provide.

Thanks in advance and I apologize if the answer to my question is posted somewhere already (I really did try looking but the amount of information is overwhelming!!).

--Ryan

Not to appear really stupid, but who is TVA as well as B&M?

Thanks!

It took me months to get all the acronyms down (and I'm a mgmt consultant so acronyms are -- unfortunately -- pretty much my life!).

TVA = TV Authority, an authorized internet reseller of non-Elite Pioneer plasmas (as well as several other brands) that is very highly touted on these boards.

B&M = Brick and Mortar, a conventional retail establishment like Tweeter, Best Buy/Magnolia, Circuit City, etc.

Hello,

I was looking for a 43" plasma and want to connect via cablecard. I was wondering if others can share a similiar expereince in comparing these three and what the results were. I am torn between the PDP-4360, PRO-930HD, and Panasonic 43" front the 500u series. Also was wondering if the media center that Pioneer provides with the 4360 does for you and if it works well. I was going to get a new receiver? Would this take its place?

Thanks,
epie

I have to wonder that if no one can tell if DRE is on or off on the 5060's, how important can it really be?

I have to wonder that if no one can tell if DRE is on or off on the 5060's, how important can it really be?

An easy way to see what it does is to find a store that carries the Elites, see if you can get a static picture (freeze frame of a DVD or HD channel) on the panel and play with the settings.

Peter,

Am I correct in thinking that you had an 1130 and then got rid of it? I say that based on the 'My Former Setup' hyperlink in your signature. I did try searching through the thread and couldn't find a message stating if that is the case and why you decided against the 1130.

I ask because I purchased two of the 43A35HDs from Tweeter last week (which I'm EXTREMELY happy with, especially for the price!!) and am going to return one for either a 50A35HD from Costco, a 5060 from TVA, or an 1130 from Tweeter (they are going to give me what I think is a pretty decent price). There is still a large price gap between the 5060 and 1130 with the prices I've been quoted but I'm inclined to go for the 1130 anyway. I love the design/esthetics/bragging rights, extra controls, warranty, and buying from a B&M two blocks away from my house that will deliver next day. So I'm curious as to if/why you decided against the 1130 after purchasing/testing it. I've been following these threads for months and really appreciate/respect the insight you and D-Nice provide.

Thanks in advance and I apologize if the answer to my question is posted somewhere already (I really did try looking but the amount of information is overwhelming!!).

--Ryan
I did return it. If you want to read "As the Plasma Turns", the most intense episode starts around page 30 of this thread. ;)

I don't think my decision should be seen as a negative on the set. It is an excellent set with excellent PQ. I am having trouble with "motion judder" (there's also plenty of discussion about this if you want to search my posts for "judder", you probably land in the middle of some... on this forum and on Video Processors) and Pio seems slightly worse than others in this regard, but most people aren't at all bothered by it. I just couldn't justify 6K for a set that would end up bothering me in this way.

I have to wonder that if no one can tell if DRE is on or off on the 5060's, how important can it really be?

How important is buying a Zenith plasma over the Pioneer if the ones you have seen are poorly adjusted?

I dont think any TV anymore has any feature that is plain obvious just looking at the display (besides the crappy DNIE or whatever on the Samsungs), at least obvious enough that the casual observer would notice with only a glance.

Since it isnt an option on the 5060, then what is really required is for an 1130 user (more appropriately owner as most users havent spent enough time in the menus to actually play around with the DRE settings) to go and play with a 5060 to see if there actually is a difference.

I would be happy to, but I have yet to see a 5060 in a local store!! My local BB has no 5061 on display either...

A 5060 owner could go see an 1130 as well... but then you have to spend enough time with the 1130 to see if you can adjust it to a point better than your 5060.

An easy way to see what it does is to find a store that carries the Elites, see if you can get a static picture (freeze frame of a DVD or HD channel) on the panel and play with the settings.

D-Nice if you can think of test say on Avia or DVE that when On it does X or and Off it does Y. I'll try it and see if it does X or Y.

Is there a way to Hide or Remove a Channel from the Up/Down Channel Button list (not TV-Guide)? I see the Add, but don't see how to remove.

Can someone take a shot at this question.

It's way more important than DRE to me :-)

If I can't delete can I wipe the whole list and add one-by-one.

How can I get it not to surf bogus channels, or non english speaking ones?

I don't want to have to pop up TV-Guide to flip through channels.

Can someone take a shot at this question.

It's way more important than DRE to me :-)

If I can't delete can I wipe the whole list and add one-by-one.

How can I get it not to surf bogus channels, or non english speaking ones?

I don't want to have to pop up TV-Guide to flip through channels.

I thought you could do that where you manually add channels in the tuner setup menu

[QUOTE=spinee]i haven't seen any reference to this, so maybe it's just something that everybody but me knows about pioneers, but on my 5060 there are maybe 2 rows of "unused" pixels on top & bottom, and 6-7 unused columns on either side.


This is also an issue I have seen with my 5060, I was not sure how to best describe the problem. Said another way, it seems more like an screen alignment adjustment issue, that is only seen on some of the HD channels such as ABC and NBC, but I have also seen the same issue occur on other HD channels too. This is a channels specific issue of alignment that occurs at the very top row and across the screen, the line appears as a flickering line, and maybe more than just one row, if magnified. It seems to me just like how one would adjust for alignment in a regular monitor, where one could take the picture up or down by way of adjustment, so that the picture has nothing above it on the screen.

Thanks

BEN


I have also experienced this same problem on my 5060. I experience a flickering black and white line across the top inch of the screen. This will appear with some programs and not with others, but is more likely to happen after set has been on for some time. Changing the picture vertical position setting does not help. This occurs only with HD programs, mostly CBS and sometimes Fox. I can switch to the SD channel of the same program and no flicker. Have Comcast with a Mot cable box.

Had another 5060 set hooked up to the same cable box and it did NOT have this problem. What could be causing this? I would appreciate any suggestions. Also, I am noticing increasing amount of "judder" in HD programs. By judder I mean picture or part of it seems to freeze up for a second or two. For example, I experienced several "judder" problems watching Commander in Chief last evening. Could this be related?

Thanks.

Curt

D-Nice if you can think of test say on Avia or DVE that when On it does X or and Off it does Y. I'll try it and see if it does X or Y.
I think Active DRE will need motion picture to really see it working. Might see some difference in contrast/detail, but it's not all it does.

I thought you could do that where you manually add channels in the tuner setup menu

Well, how do I wipe the channel list then? There is no delete.

I can try to scan with the antenna unplugged, but it finds stations that don't exist even with the antenna plugged in.

When I tried to add stations before it barked at me. But I can try it again after rescanning with nothing plugged in and maybe with the AMP disconnected again.

This is really annoying.

Well I called Pioneer Tech Support.

The guy was useless. He agreed there is no way to delete unwanted channels.

So how do I remove them. He says you can't.

How do I reset the whole box. He says you can't.

I find that hard to believe you can't reset.

I'll try disconnecting antenna and scan tonight.

I did return it. If you want to read "As the Plasma Turns", the most intense episode starts around page 30 of this thread. ;)

I don't think my decision should be seen as a negative on the set. It is an excellent set with excellent PQ. I am having trouble with "motion judder" (there's also plenty of discussion about this if you want to search my posts for "judder", you probably land in the middle of some... on this forum and on Video Processors) and Pio seems slightly worse than others in this regard, but most people aren't at all bothered by it. I just couldn't justify 6K for a set that would end up bothering me in this way.
Thanks for the info Peter, I really appreciate it! I'm still leaning towards the 1130 despite the price difference. Something about it that I just love!

New Current 1130 Settings for HD/SD with Moto 6412 Rev 3 over HDMI

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 36
Brightness: 0
Color: +5
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -6

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -10
B High: -10
R Low: -3
G Low: -5
B Low: -5
CTI: On
Color Management:
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0
NR:
DNR: Off (increase as needed, seems to exaggerate judder to me in fastmoving scenes)
MPEG NR: Low
DRE:
DRE: Low
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 3 (the difference between 2,3 seems to be pretty big with these settings)
Others:
I-P Mode: 2


Comments appreciated. These settings have no green cast at all to me.

New Current 1130 Settings for HD/SD with Moto 6412 Rev 3 over HDMI

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 36
Brightness: 0
Color: +5
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -6

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -10
B High: -10
R Low: -3
G Low: -5
B Low: -5
CTI: On
Color Management:
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0
NR:
DNR: Off (increase as needed, seems to exaggerate judder to me in fastmoving scenes)
MPEG NR: Low
DRE:
DRE: Low
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 3 (the difference between 2,3 seems to be pretty big with these settings)
Others:
I-P Mode: 2


Comments appreciated. These settings have no green cast at all to me.

So you see the green cast too. What most here don't realize is that ALL plasmas have it to an extent. Just came back from BB and saw it on both the 5060 and Panasonic 50PX50u (more in the whites of the Panasonic). I tried both in their respected warm and mid/natural settings and it was still there. You will not be able to see it until you can dial it out.

Well I called Pioneer Tech Support.

The guy was useless. He agreed there is no way to delete unwanted channels.

So how do I remove them. He says you can't.

How do I reset the whole box. He says you can't.

I find that hard to believe you can't reset.

I'll try disconnecting antenna and scan tonight.

I'll check and see if I can remove channels later tonight.

So you see the green cast too. What most here don't realize is that ALL plasmas have it to an extent. Just came back from BB and saw it on both the 5060 and Panasonic 50PX50u (more in the whites of the Panasonic). I tried both in their respected warm and mid/natural settings and it was still there. You will not be able to see it until you can dial it out.

Agreed. I've always seen more green in Panasonics, but I've seen it in every plasma to some extent.

I'll check and see if I can remove channels later tonight.

Thanks D-Nice,

I tried disconnecting the ANT and rescanning. That did wipe it out.

So now, I try to add channels, but I can only add Analog Channels (this is on Ant A). In the Book it shows a "Template" that looks like "0000.000". But mine only shows "000" and there is no way to get a decimal point in there.

So I rescanned and left the VHF Analog stations that don't come in at all in there and I'll have to scroll through them forever :( . Not a huge deal but wicked annoying for for such a high-end piece of electronics.

When the tuner does pull in a station it looks great HD or SD.

One other thing. On the Sony DVR, when did the initial setup of TV-Guide it automatically looked at each channel the TV had in it's search and then only turned those on and all others off. Then you can manually turn what you want on or off (which is a great start). On the Pioneer it turns every damn one on and you have to go through a 100 or so stations and shut them off one by one. It would be better if it defaulted with everything off if it's gonna be that dumb.

is it okay or a bad thing if the 1130's video cables and power cable share the same conduit???
I did not see a definite answer to this, soooo ... I would not worry about it for digital signals. I have all kinds of power and signal cables lying in close proximity behind my cabinet, and they get along just fine. It might be more of an issue for low-frequency analog signals, like composite or s-video. Since component video has a pretty wide frequency range (up to 100 MHz), I doubt that any high-order harmonics from the 60-Hz AC line would have a measurable impact on component video either.

(disclaimer: not a EE, but a BME -- close enough)

I did not see a definite answer to this, soooo ... I would not worry about it for digital signals. I have all kinds of power and signal cables lying in close proximity behind my cabinet, and they get along just fine. It might be more of an issue for low-frequency analog signals, like composite or s-video. Since component video has a pretty wide frequency range (up to 100 MHz), I doubt that any high-order harmonics from the 60-Hz AC line would have a measurable impact on component video either.

(disclaimer: not a EE, but a BME -- close enough)

Shouldn't matter as long as the cables do not loop around each other. When current travels in loops, it induces currents in surrounding loops... so as long as the runs are straight (dont loop around each other), interference should be minor. As long as the cables are well insulated, noise coupling should not be a problem.

That said, most pro installations run them seperate if at all possible, usually a dedicated power outlet in the wall with the display that connects into the house wiring. But sometimes the best case senario isnt possible. Do the best you can, and if you have problems, you can always try to improve it.

pulled the trigger . . . fell off the fence . . . dropped the soap in the shower . . . you pick the metaphor, but I ordered a 5060 from TVA yesterday. This 4-month quest has revealed how truly obsessive compulsive I must be. Like so many, it came down to the Panny 8UK or the Pio 5060. I saw them (actually a Panny 500U) side by side and honestly could have been perfectly happy with the picture quality of either. The Pio had the advantage of simpler set up for my application, nicer design and the fact that it's possible to actually buy one. I also think I'll prefer the brighter screen since we do get some sun on that wall. Also, the total out-of-pocket price differential wasn't as great as I imagined it would be.

Thanks to everyone who patiently explained this technology and shared their experiences. I will do the same once I take delivery.

Angus
Hi,I too have been searching for the elusive 500u and have opted for the 5060.I will be "pulling the trigger"tomorrow. I will post soon,Thanks for everyones help!! Rich

Hi,I too have been searching for the elusive 500u and have opted for the 5060.I will be "pulling the trigger"tomorrow. I will post soon,Thanks for everyoune help!! Rich

Me too, or am at least leaning strongly to that side at this point. Panasonic has effectively removed themselves from this market with their frustrating "stocking issues." Too bad. I've been enjoying my personal battle with the Panny or Pio debate. Now that debate appears to be irrelevant, at least for the immediate future. Hmmm... 5060 or Elite??? ;)

-bd

From Concord?!! HEY I was born and raised there!!! Good Luck on your decision! Rich

New Current 1130 Settings for HD/SD with Moto 6412 Rev 3 over HDMI

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 36
Brightness: 0
Color: +5
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -6

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -10
B High: -10
R Low: -3
G Low: -5
B Low: -5
CTI: On
Color Management:
R: 0
Y: 0
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0
NR:
DNR: Off (increase as needed, seems to exaggerate judder to me in fastmoving scenes)
MPEG NR: Low
DRE:
DRE: Low
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 3 (the difference between 2,3 seems to be pretty big with these settings)
Others:
I-P Mode: 2


Comments appreciated. These settings have no green cast at all to me.


Malicious and D-Nice... I've been bouncing back and forth between gamma 2-3 and I've come to the conclusion that I prefer Gamma 2. Curious to know your take on the two settings.

Malicious and D-Nice... I've been bouncing back and forth between gamma 2-3 and I've come to the conclusion that I prefer Gamma 2. Curious to know your take on the two settings.

I've done the same. 3 seemed more natural at first to me becuase of my prior settings, but after I had adjusted to the new ones for a while, it was an improvement switching back to 2. I also bumped the DRE up to mid. I am one of those tinkerers who is always adjusting contrast/brightness, but I am really happy with these color settings. They seem to add a lot of depth to the image that wasnt there in my previous settings.

I did notice a little bit of image retention last night (nbc logo after watching 4 hrs of recorded content, barely visible from within 1 ft of the display), so I dropped the DRE to off and backed the contrast down to 20-25. I will leave it at that for casual watching, and when a show comes on that I really want to look good, I'll adjust the contrast/brightness back up. I'm probably worrying too much, as in normal channel watching the logos would change.

I am not going to post settings anymore as I just created a page and it is linked from my signature.

My final settings are in my sig. I will update it with my DVD settings when I can, but those are so closely related to dvd player model and connection that I dont know if it will help anyone. I also included photos from the initial install.

FYI on DRE, copy of email I received

From : <customer.support@pioneerservice.com>
Sent : Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:30 PM
To : xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Subject : RE:Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872 [#977923]

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The DRE technology is always ON in the standard models. The Elite models just
allow you to turn it ON or OFF.



--Original Message--
From: XXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Date: 11/23/05
To: customer.support@pioneerservice.com
Subject: Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872[#977923]

FirstName:XXXXXX
LastName:XXXX
Email:XXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Address:XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City:XXXXXXXX
State:XX
Zip:XXXXXX
Phone:XXXXXX
Inquiry Type:Feature and Specification
lstPublishers:0001
lstTitles:C00001
Inquiry:I know the PDP-5060HD does not have any adjustment on DRE like the
PRO-1130HD does. But is DRE always ON or OFF on the PDP-5060HD?

Thanks

Can anyone tell me why there is such a significant wieght difference between the pio5060 and other 50" plasmas? I realise the Av box is seperate but that only accounts for 10lbs.That still makes th 5060 around 30lbs liter than most. Thanks,Rich

I also included photos from the initial install.

Gotta love those ventilation spacers! :p

-Drew

FYI on DRE, copy of email I received

From : <customer.support@pioneerservice.com>
Sent : Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:30 PM
To : xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Subject : RE:Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872 [#977923]

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The DRE technology is always ON in the standard models. The Elite models just
allow you to turn it ON or OFF.



--Original Message--
From: XXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Date: 11/23/05
To: customer.support@pioneerservice.com
Subject: Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872[#977923]

FirstName:XXXXXX
LastName:XXXX
Email:XXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Address:XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City:XXXXXXXX
State:XX
Zip:XXXXXX
Phone:XXXXXX
Inquiry Type:Feature and Specification
lstPublishers:0001
lstTitles:C00001
Inquiry:I know the PDP-5060HD does not have any adjustment on DRE like the
PRO-1130HD does. But is DRE always ON or OFF on the PDP-5060HD?

Thanks


Well, it's nice to finally get to the bottom of this. Thanks for posting.

Can anyone tell me why there is such a significant wieght difference between the pio5060 and other 50" plasmas? I realise the Av box is seperate but that only accounts for 10lbs.That still makes th 5060 around 30lbs liter than most. Thanks,Rich

The Pioneer has more advance internals (single side panel drive, pure color filter that does not require an additional layer of glass, etc). Other bands will eventually catch up.

FYI on DRE, copy of email I received

From : <customer.support@pioneerservice.com>
Sent : Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:30 PM
To : xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Subject : RE:Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872 [#977923]

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The DRE technology is always ON in the standard models. The Elite models just
allow you to turn it ON or OFF.



--Original Message--
From: XXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Date: 11/23/05
To: customer.support@pioneerservice.com
Subject: Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872[#977923]

FirstName:XXXXXX
LastName:XXXX
Email:XXXXXXX@hotmail.com
Address:XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
City:XXXXXXXX
State:XX
Zip:XXXXXX
Phone:XXXXXX
Inquiry Type:Feature and Specification
lstPublishers:0001
lstTitles:C00001
Inquiry:I know the PDP-5060HD does not have any adjustment on DRE like the
PRO-1130HD does. But is DRE always ON or OFF on the PDP-5060HD?

Thanks

Finally. Now I wonder if it is set to low, mid, or high on the 60 series.

Gotta love those ventilation spacers! :p

-Drew

I'm amazed at how well hockey pucks work for practically everything... the new duct-tape!

Actually I have a new a/v setup, so the pucks are back to coaster duty...

Nice set up!! Got any extra Pucks? Rich

The Pioneer has more advance internals (single side panel drive, pure color filter that does not require an additional layer of glass, etc). Other bands will eventually catch up.
Thanks!

FYI on DRE, copy of email I received

From : <customer.support@pioneerservice.com>
Sent : Thursday, December 1, 2005 2:30 PM
To : xxxxxxxx@hotmail.com
Subject : RE:Feature and Specification|C00001|5083936872 [#977923]

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The DRE technology is always ON in the standard models. The Elite models just
allow you to turn it ON or OFF.



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Inquiry:I know the PDP-5060HD does not have any adjustment on DRE like the
PRO-1130HD does. But is DRE always ON or OFF on the PDP-5060HD?

Thanks

So is DRE a good feature to have always ON even though not adjustible, or would you prefer that it is always off?

So is DRE a good feature to have always ON even though not adjustible, or would you prefer that it is always off?

Always On

My 5060 just arrived and is set up, initial settings are in place. Thanks for all that have come before me and posted these intial settings.
Now the fun begins :)
The media box made plugging things really easy, since this is my first plasma, I have some tweeking to do :D

Is everyone using the speakers that are an option with the 4360. Anyone have a different set up they could share, besides the home theater packages. I am looking for just something to put in my living room as an everyday viewer. Thanks.

Finally. Now I wonder if it is set to low, mid, or high on the 60 series.

My guess would be, what ever mode an Elite Ships in.

CONGRATS!!! I cant wait for mine to arrive.Feel free to give me any pointers!! Thanks,Rich

Hi Bodine! Can you give me the inital settings for the 5060? Thanks,Rich

It looks like the 5060 we ordered will be arriving in a week or so. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a DVD player that works well with it?

I gather that it's best to take the "raw" 480i output from the DVD and let the 5060 do all the processing; does that mean that we need a DVD player with HDMI that supports 480i? The OPPO OPDV971H gets good reviews but doesn't seem to support 480i.

Thanks!

I read something in this forum about the possibility to turn the TV-GUIDE off on the 930 ! can it be done? and what are the steps?? Thanx!

So you see the green cast too. What most here don't realize is that ALL plasmas have it to an extent. Just came back from BB and saw it on both the 5060 and Panasonic 50PX50u (more in the whites of the Panasonic). I tried both in their respected warm and mid/natural settings and it was still there. You will not be able to see it until you can dial it out.
To eliminate the green tint I would stay away from the primary additive colors and bump up the magenta a few points,I would suspect this would pull the green out seeing that it's the complemetary color. Rich

Is everyone using the speakers that are an option with the 4360. Anyone have a different set up they could share, besides the home theater packages. I am looking for just something to put in my living room as an everyday viewer. Thanks.

I've had my 4360 for about a week and a half now Mike, and am using the speakers. For everyday viewing they are just fine.

Dan

I read something in this forum about the possibility to turn the TV-GUIDE off on the 930 ! can it be done? and what are the steps?? Thanx!

For the most part, to turn it off, just don't use it.

The only thing in your way of ignoring it is shutting the AutoStart when turning TV on, off.

Goto TVGUIDE->Top Menu->Setup->General Defaults->Auti-Guide->Off

To eliminate the green tint I would stay away from the primary additive colors and bump up the magenta a few points,I would suspect this would pull the green out seeing that it's the complemetary color. Rich

The green tint is in the grayscale (RGB high and low) which on the Eilites you can adjust. Playing with the colors will not get rid of it.

Can anyone tell me why there is such a significant wieght difference between the pio5060 and other 50" plasmas? I realise the Av box is seperate but that only accounts for 10lbs.That still makes th 5060 around 30lbs liter than most. Thanks,Rich

Bulky cabinet, larger power requirement means larger transformers.

Built in Speakers on some sets are a little beefier.

Double Glass is probably a big one.

The green tint is in the grayscale (RGB high and low) which on the Eilites you can adjust. Playing with the colors will not get rid of it.
This is not "playing" with colors. It's actually a science. Magenta filters green and the gray scale will be affected as well.Correct amounts of magenta and green=gray (actually neutral density)! too much of one or the other leaves the complement.

Is everyone using the speakers that are an option with the 4360. Anyone have a different set up they could share, besides the home theater packages. I am looking for just something to put in my living room as an everyday viewer. Thanks.

I think 99% of folks use the built in speakers or a HT or both.

The built in ones look very nice and sound nice but minimal bass.

If you wanted to just buy better speakers and no HT make they are very efficient as their is not much wattage to drive them. I don't think any speaker will look quite as classy though.

This is not "playing" with colors. It's actually a science. Magenta filters green and the gray scale will be affected as well.Correct amounts of magenta and green=gray! too much of one or the other leaves the complement.

Riiight. I know what you are talking about, but magenta does not exist in the grayscale controls...only red, green, and blue.

Riiight. I know what you are talking about, but magenta does not exist in the grayscale controls...only red, green, and blue.
Ok,One more time,If green exist (as the primary additive)That means Magenta (the primary subtractive)is is there as well,just because the adjustment is not at THAT (gray scale) location does not mean this will not work.Lets FORGET about the gray scale controls for a minute.
All 6 colors will provide Neutral density (AND white) at a single point if they converge from 3 separate sources.This can be done with 3 primary additive OR 3 primary subtractive colors.Doing this with the ADDITIVE colors requires 2 of the 3 to be used to achieve ND.Doing this with SUBTRACTIVE colors requires only 1 and its COMPLEMENT.
Trust me,just because you only see R G B on the gray scale adjustment does not mean you are not affecting C M Y. You ARE!!
You had mentioned earlier that the green tint was seen in the white areas,this is why I suggested to stay away from the primaries.
I am only trying to help you in eliminating a green tint. Rich

I think 99% of folks use the built in speakers or a HT or both.

The built in ones look very nice and sound nice but minimal bass.

If you wanted to just buy better speakers and no HT make they are very efficient as their is not much wattage to drive them. I don't think any speaker will look quite as classy though.


The media reciever has a direct subwoofer out. This makes a huge difference in sound quality. Not HT mind you, but excellent for everday TV watching

[QUOTE=cuspid]Just ordered the 5060 yesterday from Coza Inc. Not going to mention the price, but it was $$$ less than TV Authority with the shipping and insurance. This forum is great, and I want to says thank you for all the info from the members. I called every authorized dealer on Pioneers web site and Coza was the best price. They said would ship out on Friday 12/2. I also asked every dealer about the Elite. Only 2 of them (Coza and Invision) carried the Elite models, and all they had was the 1120.

Cuspid,

Did you talk with Lou there at Coza?? He seems like I pretty good guy. He does have the best price on the 5060, as well as a 4 year extended warranty. Granted, his best price may only beat the next guy by a benjamin or so, but still, a dollar is a dollar, right??!!

I have heard many people here mention the excellent return policy and other selling features that TVA has to offer. The nice thing about TVA is the no restocking fees should you decide you don't want it. However, should you return it to TVA, you get dinged for the shipping BOTH ways, but then again, at least you're not stuck with the set. Now granted, I am sure their price for the 5060hd is only a little bit more than what Coza may be charging, but so long as you know for certain this is the set you want and have zero plans on returning it, you can't go wrong with your purchase from Coza. But if you do want to send it back, keep in mind their 25% restocking fee. :eek:

Drop some knowledge on us when you get the set up and going. Congrats again.

-Scott
Hey Cuspid,
Congrats on the 5060 purchase!!! Oh Yea,The baby too!!
I just purchased my 5060 from S and S (got it cheaper than TVA as well) and should have it by wednesday.Any tweeking tips for the inital settings would be appreciated!! Congrats again! Rich

It looks like the 5060 we ordered will be arriving in a week or so. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a DVD player that works well with it?

I gather that it's best to take the "raw" 480i output from the DVD and let the 5060 do all the processing; does that mean that we need a DVD player with HDMI that supports 480i? The OPPO OPDV971H gets good reviews but doesn't seem to support 480i.

Thanks!
Panasonic S77

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=549234
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6616357&&#post6616357

Can anybody tell me if Pioneer do commercial 6th gen 50 inch pioneer?

I want to do all my video switching via a processor and reciever and just see the media box as an extraneous box.

I know i would be better with a 8th gen commercial model if i wanted a Panny is the same true of the pioneer range?

The current Pioneer Commercial units are 5th generation glass.

The media reciever has a direct subwoofer out. This makes a huge difference in sound quality. Not HT mind you, but excellent for everday TV watching

Excellent point, I forgot about the sub out. Although most subs allow speaker inputs too so you could add a sub to any TV that has externally wired speakers.

TV-Guide is not updating.

I have a Sony DVR with TV-Guide and it's updating fine.

The Pioneer did update once, but now it's not.

My guess is that I put my OTA Ant on Ant-A and Basic Analog Cable on Ant-B. Where formally I had it reversed.

I get local HD stations on both sources but I chose the one that gets more HD stations on Ant-A which is the only Ant input that can get HD (as it appears).

I'm gonna try swapping again and see TV-Guide starts updating. It may only be getting it off cable and it has to be on Ant-A.

As I discussed ealier, the Pioneer also won't get any HD stations off cable (QAM) but the Sony has no problem.

This tuner is really getting under my skin.

Everything else on the TV has been great.

TV-Guide is not updating.

I have a Sony DVR with TV-Guide and it's updating fine.

The Pioneer did update once, but now it's not.

My guess is that I put my OTA Ant on Ant-A and Basic Analog Cable on Ant-B. Where formally I had it reversed.

I get local HD stations on both sources but I chose the one that gets more HD stations on Ant-A which is the only Ant input that can get HD (as it appears).

I'm gonna try swapping again and see TV-Guide starts updating. It may only be getting it off cable and it has to be on Ant-A.

As I discussed ealier, the Pioneer also won't get any HD stations off cable (QAM) but the Sony has no problem.

This tuner is really getting under my skin.

Everything else on the TV has been great.
I have had an 1130 for 2-3 weeks and the TV guide has never updated. Dealer has so far been clueless. I'm about to give it back. Any ideas on how to solve it?

I have had an 1130 for 2-3 weeks and the TV guide has never updated. Dealer has so far been clueless. I'm about to give it back. Any ideas on how to solve it?

It took mine about 3 weeks to update, but as I have a cable box, I never use it anyway. Pioneer has nothing to do with the guide system, they just license it from Tv Guide/Gemstar. If it doesnt work on your 1130, I would bet no set with a Gemstar guide will work in your house period.

The Guide info in my area (for my provider) is incomplete anyway. The tv has to scan all channels and hit the right channel at the right time of day to see the datastream. I read that usually it is on a PBS station (for OTA signals), although there is no way to tell the system where it is, even when you know where it is. The set only scans when it is off also. So if you watch tv a lot, the less time the guide has had to scan through channels.

In my experience the Guide is still hit-or-miss in some areas. Its not a pay service, so how good can I really expect it to be?

(edit: after doing some research, the Pio tuners may be searching digital substations for info too, regardless of what an auto channel scan finds. So the tuner may possibly be having to pause an wait a predetermined amnt of time on each and every subchannel, regardless of what is there (static or not). That seems a very plausible reason for why it takes these tuners longer. If you have some other device that picks up Gemstar, just give the Pioneer some time to find it as it may be checking a lot of extra channels that it doesnt need to, but thats the way Gemstar designed the system.)

My Sony DVR has zero problems with Tv-Guide and did a full weeks of TV-Guide over the first night.

I have put the Cable feed back on Ant A to see if TV-Guide starts updating again, I expect it will.

I have also added a Cable Card to the TV. It behaves MUCH better. It can now pull in HD stations over QAM. I expect TV-Guide will update. But the Sony did not need the Cable Card to pull in QAM stations.

On this TV Guide thing, my friend brought over to my house a stand alone HD Motorola receiver to see how well I can pick HD stations over the air in my area. On my Sony LCD TV, it worked great after the receiver did it's search. And the surprise was seeing a TV Guide appear! I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, it's a fairly large market, so I would guess they have more of the TV Guide stuff worked out. So I can't wait to try this feature on a Pio.

I am about to take the plunge on the 5060 or 1130 after one more visit to the Best Buy and see if I can see this judder I hear about. What exactly is the judder? Is it motion blurr for high action scenes?

Thanks! Nelson

TV-Guide is not updating.

I have a Sony DVR with TV-Guide and it's updating fine.

The Pioneer did update once, but now it's not.

My guess is that I put my OTA Ant on Ant-A and Basic Analog Cable on Ant-B. Where formally I had it reversed.

I get local HD stations on both sources but I chose the one that gets more HD stations on Ant-A which is the only Ant input that can get HD (as it appears).

I'm gonna try swapping again and see TV-Guide starts updating. It may only be getting it off cable and it has to be on Ant-A.

As I discussed ealier, the Pioneer also won't get any HD stations off cable (QAM) but the Sony has no problem.

This tuner is really getting under my skin.

Everything else on the TV has been great.

I had a similar problem, after a few calls to Pioneer I got instructions on resetting TVGOS. Turns out they are posted here...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=510125&page=1&pp=30&highlight=653214741

Part of my problem is I replaced a RS 2way splitter on my OTA with an El Cheapo brand 5way splitter that I needed for my two tuner cards in my HDPC. After resetting my TVGOS my channels came back however only a days worth of data. I waited a few days and still less then a day of guide data. I found a code in the above link that allows you to view the TVGOS status and I was able to see I was getting a lot of errors. This led me to believe that I had some sort of signal problem and I removed the splitter. Presto! I got 7 days of data within 24hrs.

I have OTA in Ant-A and satilite in B.

On this TV Guide thing, my friend brought over to my house a stand alone HD Motorola receiver to see how well I can pick HD stations over the air in my area. On my Sony LCD TV, it worked great after the receiver did it's search. And the surprise was seeing a TV Guide appear! I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, it's a fairly large market, so I would guess they have more of the TV Guide stuff worked out. So I can't wait to try this feature on a Pio.

I am about to take the plunge on the 5060 or 1130 after one more visit to the Best Buy and see if I can see this judder I hear about. What exactly is the judder? Is it motion blurr for high action scenes?

Thanks! Nelson


Judder, as I thought I understood, is when fast moving objects jump in steps rather than smooth continuous movement. I have not seen it or perhaps not sensitive to it. And I'm not gonna try too hard to find it and then become hyper sensitive to it.

It looks like the 5060 we ordered will be arriving in a week or so. Does anyone have a good recommendation for a DVD player that works well with it?

I gather that it's best to take the "raw" 480i output from the DVD and let the 5060 do all the processing; does that mean that we need a DVD player with HDMI that supports 480i? The OPPO OPDV971H gets good reviews but doesn't seem to support 480i.

Thanks!

Another option, although a bit expensive, would be the DV-79 from Pioneer - their new flagship. Should be sweet with your 5060.

Wow! My first big-screen and first HD TV. The big truck showed up yesterday and unloaded the 1130 I've been waiting for since September. "Dock to dock" delivery meant I was on my own getting it from the back yard down the basement steps and into the rec-room but ingenuity prevailed (though it being exactly 1 month since I was admitted to the hospital for multiple heart attacks requiring an angioplasty I just told my wife I paid the "guys on the truck" cash to do the work for me - life's just easier that way. :) ).

Anywhooo - as I assembled/setup the unit I was struck by just how high quality all of the parts are. The attention to detail and the fit and finish are excellent and everything went together flawlessly, though I did have a "Three Stooges" moment when I went to attach the speakers. Hmmm, if this is the "Right" speaker why would it face backwards when I test-fit it on the right side of the TV? No, dummy, your other (STAGE!) right! Doh!

Once setup in the temporary location (need new furniture in the living room) I attached it to the Comcast cable that we used to use when we had a TV in that location. Hadn't used it since before Comcast went digital in my area and I'm guessing that the signal is much more sensitive to db loss and this is an OLD run of a pretty good length. The channel scan took forever and didn't find anything except some of the locals and many of them came in quite poorly. But - NBC and FOX both have great signals (and NBC's is stellar) and I watched Jay and Conan last night simply transfixed by the PQ. Even if I do nothing I'll be able to watch the Bears/Packers game this Sunday in HD (Go Bears!). I plan to head out and get a Silver Sensor or similar to pickup the locals OTA as all but one station here (CBS) broadcast their digitals via UHF. I may try the Rat Shack 15-1880 to see if it's VHF capabilities might allow me to see the SEC championship game on Saturday.

This weekend I'll be tinkering with the PQ settings starting with D-Nice's reference. After the new year (heading out for the holidays) I'll be contacting DirecTV about upgrading to HD and getting an HD-Tivo (can't watch TV without a DVR) as well as running cables to the rest of the house so I can ditch Comcast (2 subs right now, D* and Comcast; to paraphrase Rainman . . . Comcast sucks). Now that my wife's seen what TV can look like I suspect some form of HD TV will be needed to replace the current bedroom TV. :)

I'm a longtime lurker and I've followed this thread for a while. All of you that share your experiences and knowledge - thank you, it really helps. This TV rocks. Right now it's set in between my Mirage M5 speakers and the gloss black of the set and the speakers really complement each other well. The WAF on this unit is exceptionally high.

Wow! My first big-screen and first HD TV. The big truck showed up yesterday and unloaded the 1130 I've been waiting for since September. "Dock to dock" delivery meant I was on my own getting it from the back yard down the basement steps and into the rec-room but ingenuity prevailed (though it being exactly 1 month since I was admitted to the hospital for multiple heart attacks requiring an angioplasty I just told my wife I paid the "guys on the truck" cash to do the work for me - life's just easier that way. :) ).

Anywhooo - as I assembled/setup the unit I was struck by just how high quality all of the parts are. The attention to detail and the fit and finish are excellent and everything went together flawlessly, though I did have a "Three Stooges" moment when I went to attach the speakers. Hmmm, if this is the "Right" speaker why would it face backwards when I test-fit it on the right side of the TV? No, dummy, your other (STAGE!) right! Doh!

Once setup in the temporary location (need new furniture in the living room) I attached it to the Comcast cable that we used to use when we had a TV in that location. Hadn't used it since before Comcast went digital in my area and I'm guessing that the signal is much more sensitive to db loss and this is an OLD run of a pretty good length. The channel scan took forever and didn't find anything except some of the locals and many of them came in quite poorly. But - NBC and FOX both have great signals (and NBC's is stellar) and I watched Jay and Conan last night simply transfixed by the PQ. Even if I do nothing I'll be able to watch the Bears/Packers game this Sunday in HD (Go Bears!). I plan to head out and get a Silver Sensor or similar to pickup the locals OTA as all but one station here (CBS) broadcast their digitals via UHF. I may try the Rat Shack 15-1880 to see if it's VHF capabilities might allow me to see the SEC championship game on Saturday.

This weekend I'll be tinkering with the PQ settings starting with D-Nice's reference. After the new year (heading out for the holidays) I'll be contacting DirecTV about upgrading to HD and getting an HD-Tivo (can't watch TV without a DVR) as well as running cables to the rest of the house so I can ditch Comcast (2 subs right now, D* and Comcast; to paraphrase Rainman . . . Comcast sucks). Now that my wife's seen what TV can look like I suspect some form of HD TV will be needed to replace the current bedroom TV. :)

I'm a longtime lurker and I've followed this thread for a while. All of you that share your experiences and knowledge - thank you, it really helps. This TV rocks. Right now it's set in between my Mirage M5 speakers and the gloss black of the set and the speakers really complement each other well. The WAF on this unit is exceptionally high.


Congrats, and glad you're doing better physically. Got me salivating over my 1130 - someday ;)

For the most part, to turn it off, just don't use it.

The only thing in your way of ignoring it is shutting the AutoStart when turning TV on, off.

Goto TVGUIDE->Top Menu->Setup->General Defaults->Auti-Guide->Off

Ok! I thought something more can be done! thank you mswlogo!

The current Pioneer Commercial units are 5th generation glass.


Thanks for the response.

Can i use the 5060 without the media box?

Thanks for the response.

Can i use the 5060 without the media box?No.

Just wanted to let everyone know that I have jumped off the 5060 bandwagon...





































and picked up my 1130 tonight! :D Well, not actually yet... leaving work right now to go get it! No wait. :)

I posted a review on my new Pioneer. And I cross linked it to this mega thread.

Pioneer 5060 Review (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6645178#post6645178)

I posted a review on my new Pioneer. And I cross linked it to this mega thread.

Pioneer 5060 Review (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6645178#post6645178)

Thanks, saves me from writing one as well ;)

Thanks, saves me from writing one as well ;)

Write one. Love to see it.

msnlogo-

Thanks for the feedback on judder and your 5060 review. Looks great in your house! I appreciate your review.

I just came from BB and I was comparing and studying the image on the Pio 1130 and 5060 and a 4360 next to a Panasonic 50U. A salesman came by and tried to tell me that the Fujitsu display right next to the 1130 has better image quality. I didn't take the model number down, but a quick look on the 'net found this model number: P50XCA30WH. He commented that the Fujitsu had better shadow detail. It did look that way on the black clothes of a singer on the screen, the Fujitsu rendered more fabric detail in the shadow areas then the Pio. Now I get what that means. But I could not get him to see what the Pio was set at. He claims he doesn't know where the remote is but says it's set to factory settings as was the Fujitsu. So in direct comparison, with an HD fed image, the Pio did indeed have some black blacks, but shadows didn't have as much detail as the Fujitsu. This was not a fair comparison, but on one setting, both displayed a 4:3 image and he said the black bars on the sides on the Fujitsu were black compared to the 1130. The Fujitsu had a silver bezel and the Pio had a black bezel, so I ignore that comparison.

Anyway, not trying to sound like I'm dissing the Pio, I'm just looking for comments. I think that once a Pio's settings are reset to those that many here have them set at, the shadow detail will be up to the Fujitsu? This is a great thread and it's got me on the Pioneer side and my finger on the trigger.

Thanks! Nelson

Most upper end Plasma's all really look great. The pioneer cabinet, media box and track record put me in the pio camp. I think what you saw is a valid data point. But you'd have to collect many more data points or adjust both sets to their peak settings for a true comparison. If indeed the pioneer is in factory mode, it's on DYNAMIC which is way too aggressive. I and I think others on this thread highly respect Fujitsu displays.

Can you tell me how long the power cord is? I can't seem to find it anywhere. TIA
Jeff

It was awkward to measure but itappears to be between 6-7 ft.
It is a standard IEC power cord, shielded with a balum on it.

Don't know power cord length (it's all neatly tie wrapped up) on Media box which is also IEC and Shielded.

I'm patiently awaiting my 1130. And of course, continuing to read about plasmas. One of the things I like about the Pios is the Media Receiver. I see that there is a 50" JVC model that has a media receiver also. Does that mean it is NEC/Pioneer glass? Has anyone seen this JVC model or have any information/reviews of it?

JVC PD-50X795

The specs/features look pretty impressive.

Just curious, because it is significanly less expensive than the 5060 and a huge savings over the 1130.

Thanks,

Rod

I'm patiently awaiting my 1130. And of course, continuing to read about plasmas. One of the things I like about the Pios is the Media Receiver. I see that there is a 50" JVC model that has a media receiver also. Does that mean it is NEC/Pioneer glass? Has anyone seen this JVC model or have any information/reviews of it?

JVC PD-50X795

The specs/features look pretty impressive.

Just curious, because it is significanly less expensive than the 5060 and a huge savings over the 1130.

Thanks,

Rod

Nextag indicates that this model has been available since June '04 - at best, previous generation glass :(

Dave

I know a lot of settings have been posted here. But it was not clear if it was for break in period or long term. I'm mostly concerned with Brightness and Contrast and what you folks think is a good setting.

I have power save 2 on and in Movie mode. I did run Avia and it looked like Brightness was right on at 0. But on contrast the only test that works is finding the limit of contrast without oversaturating. Which appeared to be around 45 (which also seemed reasonable, as a Limit). I'm currently running at the default 40 for movie mode, but I don't know if I should run that high (which was close to the Avia limit (45) which maximizes dynamic range).

I think I'm gonna pass on "break-in" but I'll usually run full screen anyway (a assume most you saw the skipping break-in). I DON'T want to discuss break in. Just looking for post break-in settings.

So what do you guys recommend for brightness and contrast, long term.

This is a 5060.

Thanks

Thanks again for you input mswlogo.

The points that make the Pio a winner for me are similar to yours, inclusive speakers, separate media box, tuner for both SD and HD, outstanding PQ and a very important feature; knock out, beautiful black bezel and overall industrial design of the TV itself.

I know a lot of settings have been posted here. But it was not clear if it was for break in period or long term. I'm mostly concerned with Brightness and Contrast and what you folks think is a good setting.

I have power save 2 on and in Movie mode. I did run Avia and it looked like Brightness was right on at 0. But on contrast the only test that works is finding the limit of contrast without oversaturating. Which appeared to be around 45 (which also seemed reasonable, as a Limit). I'm currently running at the default 40 for movie mode, but I don't know if I should run that high (which was close to the Avia limit (45) which maximizes dynamic range).

I think I'm gonna pass on "break-in" but I'll usually run full screen anyway (a assume most you saw the skipping break-in). I DON'T want to discuss break in. Just looking for post break-in settings.

So what do you guys recommend for brightness and contrast, long term.

This is a 5060.

Thanks

Burn-in period
Contrast : 25
Brightness: -1

After Burn-in
Contrast: 30-35
Brightness: -1

lots of good info. here, pretty much decided on getting the 930HD, the 1130 is too big for my tiny manhattan apt. , trying to figure out the best place to get it from, is it true that pioneer does not honour warranties on the elites from internet stores? the B&M store in the city is trying to sell me an extended warranty for another 3yrs, is that really worth it?

Yes it's true. They do not support Elites over the internet. Some "Authorized" B&M stores sell them under the table. If they were truely authorized they probably would not be selling them under the table. Some sell after market warranties, but I personally don't know how good those warranties are. Buy at your own risk. Possibly after Xmas, B&M's will deal more.

Just a quick note to THANKS! the folks who have these displays and have posted all their findings before I got my 4360, you guys make it so easy. Enjoy some HDTV of your choice tonight..... :)

Just ordered my 5060 and am looking for a 5.1 Digital Reciever.
Any Suggestions?
I have a 5.1 speaker system w/power subwoofer.This system uses RCA connectors For Front(L?R),surround(L/R),center and Sub, I was planning on using optical inputs to the Reciever FROM the DVD, Satellite reciever, and TV. Then RCA outputs to the Subwoofer.Any Suggestions? Thanks,Rich

Has anyone had the pleasure of purchasing an ELITE plasma via the internet? If so, what has been your experience?

Well, I was set on one of the Panasonics but due to their ridiculous "stocking" issues, dropped a bundle on the 1130 and a 79AVi today instead (Too bad Panny - you had your chance). Should be able to pick up both in a week's time, and will post some pics and impressions after getting some new furniture to showcase all my components. Going to be matching them up to my new iScan VP30 (when it arrives), existing Sony STRDB930 receiver, and SAT-A65 STB.

:D

-bd

Well, I was set on one of the Panasonics but due to their ridiculous "stocking" issues, dropped a bundle on the 1130 and a 79AVi today instead (Too bad Panny - you had your chance). Should be able to pick up both in a week's time, and will post some pics and impressions after getting some new furniture to showcase all my components. Going to be matching them up to my new iScan VP30 (when it arrives), existing Sony STRDB930 receiver, and SAT-A65 STB.

:D

-bd

Should be an interesting combo. Just keep in mind that the Pioneer will not accept native resolution over HDMI...so you will only be able to input 720p or 1080i. VGA is a different story.

Are you comfortable letting us all know where your ordered your 5060 from?

Now that you have pointed it out, I see that indicated on Nextag also. I wonder if Nextag can be trusted on this...does anyone know if this JVC came out way back in '04?

I am confident in and comfortable with my yet-to-be-shipped 1130. Just using my wait time to be sure I didn't overlook a model that would give me most of what I'm getting in the 1130 for a price that's closer to the Panasonics. Currently, the NEC 50XR5 has my attention. It's due to ship in the next couple of weeks. No built-in tuner, but that's not necessarily a deal-breaker for me. No Media Center either...but I can probably overlook that if I could save significantly on price. It has features that compare favorably to the 1130, and the legendary NEC PQ. Should I cancel my 1130 order and buy this thing sight unseen?

Rod W.


Nextag indicates that this model has been available since June '04 - at best, previous generation glass :(

Dave

I tested a DVR [Panny] for the TV Guide function. It failed too, but it did pick up the time as soon as it was set up. My 1130 fails both tasks. Any idea how to figure out what works and what doesn't in this set?

TIA

Paul

Well, my pioneer 930 was delivered Friday afternoon, and let me say WOW. This TV is magnificent. It has such inspiring looks both turned on and off. The shiny black bezel around the screen looks like vinyl cat woman would wear. Sexy! The picture is unbelievably crisp, vivacious, full of color and details. It is worth every penny and more. I can hardly wait to hang it on the wall.

Speaking of hanging it on the wall, according to the Magnolia delivery guy, the cables that came with the TV are not UL listed. Consequently, they are not to be ran inside the wall. In the unfortunate event of them catching on fire, (not sure why they would), they would invalidate the homeowners insurance. If indeed that was the case, where does one obtain UL listed cables compatible with the pioneer plasma TVs? Any clues?

Thanks,
elgin

lots of good info. here, pretty much decided on getting the 930HD, the 1130 is too big for my tiny manhattan apt. , trying to figure out the best place to get it from, is it true that pioneer does not honour warranties on the elites from internet stores? the B&M store in the city is trying to sell me an extended warranty for another 3yrs, is that really worth it?

mna, I purchased my 930 with my american express card and automatically extended the warranty to three years (2 yrs from pioneer + 1 yr extension from amex). Consequently, I declined the store extended warranty. In the event something happens to the TV, one deals directly with the store where the purchased was made. So make sure you find a reputable B&M store in your area because you might be dealing with them for some years to come, and believe me, 3ys is plenty enough. In three years time, you will be moving up to the newer and better Pioneers that are going to be in the market.

I tested a DVR [Panny] for the TV Guide function. It failed too, but it did pick up the time as soon as it was set up. My 1130 fails both tasks. Any idea how to figure out what works and what doesn't in this set?

TIA

PaulYour cable company may be somehow blocking the data (as mine does). Try connecting an antenna to the B input. If you can receive the local PBS station over the air, the TV Guide data should download.

Should be an interesting combo. Just keep in mind that the Pioneer will not accept native resolution over HDMI...so you will only be able to input 720p or 1080i. VGA is a different story.

Do any higher resolution plasmas accept native resolution through HDMI?

Well, my pioneer 930 was delivered Friday afternoon, and let me say WOW. This TV is magnificent. It has such inspiring looks both turned on and off. The shiny black bezel around the screen looks like vinyl cat woman would wear. Sexy! The picture is unbelievably crisp, vivacious, full of color and details. It is worth every penny and more. I can hardly wait to hang it on the wall.

Speaking of hanging it on the wall, according to the Magnolia delivery guy, the cables that came with the TV are not UL listed. Consequently, they are not to be ran inside the wall. In the unfortunate event of them catching on fire, (not sure why they would), they would invalidate the homeowners insurance. If indeed that was the case, where does one obtain UL listed cables compatible with the pioneer plasma TVs? Any clues?

Thanks,
elgin

I don't think it matters if they are UL approved or not. Most people mount an outlet right behind the Panel.

I don't think it matters if they are UL approved or not. Most people mount an outlet right behind the Panel.

Exactly..

still a little confused on this, but trying to figure out the best way to connect the 930 to the time warner HD-DVR, they do have a HDMI output, is that the best way to go or are the component cables a better bargain considering SD also?

Do any higher resolution plasmas accept native resolution through HDMI?

No. Not yet. The commercial Panny will do it thru DVI but not HDMI.

Well, my pioneer 930 was delivered Friday afternoon, and let me say WOW. This TV is magnificent. It has such inspiring looks both turned on and off. The shiny black bezel around the screen looks like vinyl cat woman would wear. Sexy! The picture is unbelievably crisp, vivacious, full of color and details. It is worth every penny and more. I can hardly wait to hang it on the wall.

Speaking of hanging it on the wall, according to the Magnolia delivery guy, the cables that came with the TV are not UL listed. Consequently, they are not to be ran inside the wall. In the unfortunate event of them catching on fire, (not sure why they would), they would invalidate the homeowners insurance. If indeed that was the case, where does one obtain UL listed cables compatible with the pioneer plasma TVs? Any clues?

Thanks,
elgin

BS. The power cable cannot be used in-wall, but the display cable can.

still a little confused on this, but trying to figure out the best way to connect the 930 to the time warner HD-DVR, they do have a HDMI output, is that the best way to go or are the component cables a better bargain considering SD also?

If you have the SA 8300, then yes the HDMI is the best connection. Here are some settings to start you off with the SA 8300.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: +4
Tint: +1
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: (any but I currently use ADV)
Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -2
G High: -3
B High: -2
R Low: -2
G Low: -3
B Low: -1
CTI: Off
Color Management:
R: 0
Y: -7
G: 0
C: +6
B: 0
M: -1
NR:
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low
DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

BS. The power cable cannot be used in-wall, but the display cable can.

Thanks for the clarification. If I need to have an electrical outlet behind the TV so as not to have the power cable running inside the wall, I now need to figure out how to attach the line conditioner/surge propector to the TV.

Thanks for the clarification. If I need to have an electrical outlet behind the TV so as not to have the power cable running inside the wall, I now need to figure out how to attach the line conditioner/surge propector to the TV.


Visit the panamax website. They have a nice wall receptical that will do the job.

Should be an interesting combo. Just keep in mind that the Pioneer will not accept native resolution over HDMI...so you will only be able to input 720p or 1080i. VGA is a different story.

Define "interesting," D... Curious to know with all the settings you're tossing around to people how you'd connect these components and the settings you'd start with for this combination. I've got a plan in mind given the restraints of the native input, but you gave me pause with your comments (which is a common "problem" with this forum! :D). Feel free to engage in some PM dialog. ;)

-bd

Define "interesting," D... Curious to know with all the settings you're tossing around to people how you'd connect these components and the settings you'd start with for this combination. I've got a plan in mind given the restraints of the native input, but you gave me pause with your comments (which is a common "problem" with this forum! :D). Feel free to engage in some PM dialog. ;)

-bd

Well, the 930 seems to like a 1080i input more than a 720p input...dunno why but thats how it is. So, I would connect the VP30 by HDMI with a 1080i output.

As far as settings, I would record the HDNet Tuesday morning test pattern and go from there for HD. You can tweak your DVD player with DVE.

Are you comfortable letting us all know where your ordered your 5060 from?
I just ordered mine frome satellite and sound,Great people and Great price.The link for them is at the bottom of this page "Plasma TV's Here".My set is due thursday,I'll post when it is up and runnning.Thanks to all for helping me make my decision!! Rich

Help on TV Guide. Is there a way to not have the TV guide appear when I turn on the TV. I use dishnetwork so the guide is useless to me. Thanks

Help on TV Guide. Is there a way to not have the TV guide appear when I turn on the TV. I use dishnetwork so the guide is useless to me. Thanks

This thread is filled with answers....the search feature is your friend ;)


For the most part, to turn it off, just don't use it.

The only thing in your way of ignoring it is shutting the AutoStart when turning TV on, off.

Goto TVGUIDE->Top Menu->Setup->General Defaults->Auti-Guide->Off

Thanks for the clarification. If I need to have an electrical outlet behind the TV so as not to have the power cable running inside the wall, I now need to figure out how to attach the line conditioner/surge propector to the TV.

You might post this question to the main Plasma & LCD forum, it really is not specific to Pioneer. You may get some other creative ideas.

But for starter, you can put surge protection in your electrical panel driving the circuit. There might be surge protector outlets, and I know there are compact ones that mount on the outlet but it may protrude more than you have room for and might not fit inside the recessed outlet.

One other thing I didn't think of. If you ran say a PVC pipe from back of TV to the floor and did NOT terminate the cord in the wall or extend it, it may be legal and safe. It is no more a fire risk than running it outside the wall. Termination is the key. But I don't know what the insurance company would say if you ever had a fire. I'm not advising or recommending this, but it may be legal.

You might post this question to the main Plasma & LCD forum, it really is not specific to Pioneer. You may get some other creative ideas.

But for starter, you can put surge protection in your electrical panel driving the circuit. There might be surge protector outlets, and I know there are compact ones that mount on the outlet but it may protrude more than you have room for and might not fit inside the recessed outlet.

One other thing I didn't think of. If you ran say a PVC pipe from back of TV to the floor and did NOT terminate the cord in the wall or extend it, it may be legal and safe. It is no more a fire risk than running it outside the wall. Termination is the key. But I don't know what the insurance company would say if you ever had a fire. I'm not advising or recommending this, but it may be legal.

thanks mswlogo. I checked out D-Nice's suggestion and once again, he is right on the money. Panamax sells an outlet that has a surge protector built-in. So I will go with his suggestion... Thanks D-Nice for the suggestion and link.

thanks mswlogo. I checked out D-Nice's suggestion and once again, he is right on the money. Panamax sells an outlet that has a surge protector built-in. So I will go with his suggestion... Thanks D-Nice for the suggestion and link.

Glad to be of assistance. Luckly the builders for my new home use Panamax and are putting in 2 MAX IN-WALL™ POWERKIT-TL's :D

Well, the 930 seems to like a 1080i input more than a 720p input...dunno why but thats how it is. So, I would connect the VP30 by HDMI with a 1080i output.

As far as settings, I would record the HDNet Tuesday morning test pattern and go from there for HD. You can tweak your DVD player with DVE.

Yeah, that was my plan, only I'm going to have the display ISF calibrated... I'm thinking the VP30 should help clean up quite a bit of SD material from DTV, so I'm going to hold out a while longer for HD service. Not enough content there to make me want to jump yet.

-bd

If you have the SA 8300, then yes the HDMI is the best connection. Here are some settings to start you off with the SA 8300.....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: +4
Tint: +1
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: (any but I currently use ADV)
Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -2
G High: -3
B High: -2
R Low: -2
G Low: -3
B Low: -1
CTI: Off
Color Management:
R: 0
Y: -7
G: 0
C: +6
B: 0
M: -1
NR:
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low
DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

D-Nice.... have you done an A/B with HDMI vs Component? I'm hesitant to switch to HDMI because I can't stand the LAG in changing input formats (ie, 1080i to 720p to 480i)... It drives me crazy. But if there's a huge difference in PQ I may just have to suck it up and switch.

I just got a brand new 5060 about 2 weeks ago (posted some questions on this thread and really appreciate all of your help / gudance to date).

Anyway, I have been avoiding gray / black bars for the 1st 100 hours, have the settings set for the break in period, etc. Two days ago, during a commercial with grey bars, I noticed a very subtle TLC logo in the lower right hand corner of one of the bars. My wife was watching some TLC programs the prior day through the DVR and forwarding through the commercials - about 2-3 hours worth of TLC programs wathced on the TV with that logo in the lower right hand corner. As you can imagine, it scared me to death.

Over the last 2 days, we have watched some TV - about 8 hours worth - football games on Sunday, etc. The effect has definitely lessened significantly, but if I look for it, it is still there (I can only see it when I get something on the screen with grey bars - I admit that I dont notice it otherwise).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me its going to go away and that I havent destroyed the TV - my wife's life and my marriage could be on the line. Also, how do I prevent more of this from happening? It seems that every netowrk now has their logo on every single show that they broadcast. As you can imagine, I am totally freaked out.

Thanks for your help - other than this not-so-minor issue, I am thrilled with the TV.

Pyle

D-Nice.... have you done an A/B with HDMI vs Component? I'm hesitant to switch to HDMI because I can't stand the LAG in changing input formats (ie, 1080i to 720p to 480i)... It drives me crazy. But if there's a huge difference in PQ I may just have to suck it up and switch.

I have not used component in a very long time but I only use HDMI because I can see an improvement. The resolution lag does suck, but I've gotten use to it. You can alleviate the lag in changing channels by using a fixed resolution.

I just got a brand new 5060 about 2 weeks ago (posted some questions on this thread and really appreciate all of your help / gudance to date).

Anyway, I have been avoiding gray / black bars for the 1st 100 hours, have the settings set for the break in period, etc. Two days ago, during a commercial with grey bars, I noticed a very subtle TLC logo in the lower right hand corner of one of the bars. My wife was watching some TLC programs the prior day through the DVR and forwarding through the commercials - about 2-3 hours worth of TLC programs wathced on the TV with that logo in the lower right hand corner. As you can imagine, it scared me to death.

Over the last 2 days, we have watched some TV - about 8 hours worth - football games on Sunday, etc. The effect has definitely lessened significantly, but if I look for it, it is still there (I can only see it when I get something on the screen with grey bars - I admit that I dont notice it otherwise).

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me its going to go away and that I havent destroyed the TV - my wife's life and my marriage could be on the line. Also, how do I prevent more of this from happening? It seems that every netowrk now has their logo on every single show that they broadcast. As you can imagine, I am totally freaked out.

Thanks for your help - other than this not-so-minor issue, I am thrilled with the TV.

Pyle


What are your current contrast, brightness, and power save settings? It sounds like you have image retention. Leave your TV on for 24 hours playing nothing but 16:9 material. Discovery HD is a good channel to use or use the following link to D/L a "break-in" disc.....

http://www.zachsstuff.net/avsforum/BreakinDVD.zip

I finally hooked up my 5060 this weekend. It looks great, but I have some lip synch problems with my DVD player. Is this normal for these PDPs? And what is the best way to resolve it? Thanks.

What are your current contrast, brightness, and power save settings? It sounds like you have image retention. Leave your TV on for 24 hours playing nothing but 16:9 material. Discovery HD is a good channel to use or use the following link to D/L a "break-in" disc.....

http://www.zachsstuff.net/avsforum/BreakinDVD.zip


D-Nice... what type of file is this? My Mac won't open the unzipped file... I'll tell you, I have seen some image retention issues as well (per my earlier post)... mainly along the left vertical line of the Scientific Atlanta's Guide which, as you know, is shown 4:3 for some reason (the other Time Warner boxes all show a guide that matches the aspect ratio of what you're watching).

The line that I see is VERY, VERY faint... in fact, I can only see it when a commerical comes on with a completely white background... but I can see it.

D-Nice... what type of file is this? My Mac won't open the unzipped file... I'll tell you, I have seen some image retention issues as well (per my earlier post)... mainly along the left vertical line of the Scientific Atlanta's Guide which, as you know, is shown 4:3 for some reason (the other Time Warner boxes all show a guide that matches the aspect ratio of what you're watching).

The line that I see is VERY, VERY faint... in fact, I can only see it when a commerical comes on with a completely white background... but I can see it.


It should be an iso file. You will need to use Nero or some other burning software to put it on a disc.

I have not used component in a very long time but I only use HDMI because I can see an improvement. The resolution lag does suck, but I've gotten use to it. You can alleviate the lag in changing channels by using a fixed resolution.

How do you set a "fixed" resolution.

Drives me insane with my Sony DVR. I'm almost ready to put it on Component.

I finally hooked up my 5060 this weekend. It looks great, but I have some lip synch problems with my DVD player. Is this normal for these PDPs? And what is the best way to resolve it? Thanks.

If you are using audio from DVD, don't know the solution.

How is DVD hooked up?

If you have a receiver, a good one may have a lipsync feature to adjust it (to delay audio).

I just hooked it up to my old Panasonic A-120 via S-video. I have a new S77 that just came in, so I'll be hooking that up soon via HDMI. My Preamp has audio delay, but I found it odd that I hadn't read about anyone else seeing (hearing) this.

[QUOTE=D-Nice]What are your current contrast, brightness, and power save settings? It sounds like you have image retention. Leave your TV on for 24 hours playing nothing but 16:9 material. Discovery HD is a good channel to use or use the following link to D/L a "break-in" disc.....[QUOTE]


D-Nice - thanks for your reply....

Current settings are:
AV Slection: Standard
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -2
Color: +4
Tint: +2
Sharpness: -2
Power Control: Standard


I just pulled up an SD channel and put it on 4:3 so that I could get the white bars on the side - I can BARELY see it - been watchin HD MNF tonight in full screen (no bars) and it's gone away even more since earlier today. Sounds like you were right about the image retention and I am feeling better already.

Any suggestions on anything else I should / should not be doing, either for the first 100 hours or in the future? Definitely would like to avoid this issue in the future...and especially a more serious one.

Really appreciate the advice. LOVE THE TV and bought it thanks to reading this forum for the last several months and all of your input.

Pyle

How do you set a "fixed" resolution.

Drives me insane with my Sony DVR. I'm almost ready to put it on Component.


No clue on that DVR. Did Sony discontinue it? It's not on their website anymore.

[QUOTE=D-Nice]What are your current contrast, brightness, and power save settings? It sounds like you have image retention. Leave your TV on for 24 hours playing nothing but 16:9 material. Discovery HD is a good channel to use or use the following link to D/L a "break-in" disc.....[QUOTE]


D-Nice - thanks for your reply....

Current settings are:
AV Slection: Standard
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -2
Color: +4
Tint: +2
Sharpness: -2
Power Control: Standard


I just pulled up an SD channel and put it on 4:3 so that I could get the white bars on the side - I can BARELY see it - been watchin HD MNF tonight in full screen (no bars) and it's gone away even more since earlier today. Sounds like you were right about the image retention and I am feeling better already.

Any suggestions on anything else I should / should not be doing, either for the first 100 hours or in the future? Definitely would like to avoid this issue in the future...and especially a more serious one.

Really appreciate the advice. LOVE THE TV and bought it thanks to reading this forum for the last several months and all of your input.

Pyle

My only suggestion would be to keep everything in 16:9 mode for the first 100-200 hours. Cinema mode works best for 480i/p stuff. Good luck.

Eric--

Your cable company may be somehow blocking the data (as mine does). Try connecting an antenna to the B input. If you can receive the local PBS station over the air, the TV Guide data should download.

You were right. I hooked up rabbit ears on Input B and made sure local PBS was received. TV Guide loaded over night. It didn't pick up any of the digital stations I can see, but it's better than nothing.

Thanks for the hint.

Paul

D-Nice... what type of file is this? My Mac won't open the unzipped file...

It is a .nrg file, which is a Nero format. AFAIK, Nero will be the only software that will burn it.

Nero has a trial period if you don't have it.

www.ahead.de

Hi all,

Have a question I'm hoping you an help me with. I've recently purchased a Pioneer PDP4360HD plasma (loving it) and am connected to Rogers HD Cable (live in Canada).

I've completed the set-up instructions but the TV Guide doesn't seem to want to load the information.

It can cycle thru the channels for days on end but doesn't seem to download any program info. I've tried the set-up a couple of different times with various connection settings (i.e. input/cable A; or input 1) but it doesn't seem to make any difference.

Would anyone have any ideas? Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I'd like to try and get this working if possible.

Thanks,
John

No clue on that DVR. Did Sony discontinue it? It's not on their website anymore.

Yes, sony pulled it from web site, nobody knows exactly why.

I just got the 5060 last night. Packaging was great, easiest install ever with the media box. My brother came over and we had it up on the wall in about 5 min. I had already hung the Sanus mount last week so it was read to go, just had to screw on the mounting brackets to the back of the screen.
I fired up the Comcast box and the TV. No signal? Oh yea I had to call Comcast and activate the box. After about 5 min on the phone, and my brother playing with the cable box remote the signal came thru. Wow, that's all I kept saying. Wow. The HD channels were amazing. Now I think allot of the wow factor came from just seeing HD in my house, and on my wall. So I will leave a more detailed review of the actually picture quality for later, after I've played with the settings and compared different sources more. I was prepared for the SD channels to look like crap, but to my surprise they looked great. Not HD great, but great. Sweet!!
I watched that painful MNF game in HD and could not get over the fact that I could see each snowflake as it came down thru the air, it was indeed like I was looking out the window. The detail that is shown in HD is truly amazing.
We switched to a on demand cartoon, ( Avatar, highly recommended if you have kids) for my 6 year old son. The colors were so brilliant and crisp, my son blurted out, " this is friggin awesome" yes he is only 6. I had to agree with him. The size of the screen somewhat surprised me. It was bigger than I thought it would be, so it just goes to show, when your comparing the screens in a store, you can't really judge the size until you get it on your wall. Our great room is a combination of the kitchen, dining room and family room, multi level also. Everywhere in the room up to 38 feet away you could see the picture and from every angle it looked great.
Another note, I am very glad I got the tilt mount. It's mounted above the fireplace, and I hung it initially flat to see how it looked. After about 20 min of sitting on the couch about 10 feet away I got up and tilted it down slightly. It made a big difference to the viewing comfort IMO. The picture quality was the same as it should be, but it felt better to my neck I guess.
Thanks to the many posters who helped me pull the trigger on this one. Oh and thanks to Panisonic for being so short sighted and not having enough stock to keep the channels filled, I know I spent more than I really needed to, but let me tell you, I love this Pio. I feel it was worth every cent. :D

I was helping a friend with her 42" 500u panny and I just can't imagine mounting it on the wall never mind a 50" 500u on the wall. It's very heavy and the cables would have been a nightmare. 8UK would probably be fine. Too bad pio does not have their commerial 6th gen glass out yet, because I think it would be selling faster than they could make them.

People look at price and picture and that's it. There is a lot more to it than that.

Comcast came out this morning and installed my cable card. It went flawlessly and when finished I turned off the set and went to work. Came back 3 hours later and the tv guide had installed itself and is wonderful.
Life is good for the moment :D

I was helping a friend with her 42" 500u panny and I just can't imagine mounting it on the wall never mind a 50" 500u on the wall. It's very heavy and the cables would have been a nightmare.

We hoisted our 3g Pio over our fireplace, and wow was that difficult. Looking forward to the 6g 1130 and it's mere 75lbs!

Would like input on image quality ?

We hoisted our 3g Pio over our fireplace, and wow was that difficult. Looking forward to the 6g 1130 and it's mere 75lbs!

Its still not easy though :) maybe easier... but not easy :D

MaliciousBraham, I want to preface this by saying that I'm no guru. :D I used your settings on my 1130. I'm currently using component cable from my DTV box. It seems that the picture is skewed toward red and the greens(especially football field turf) exaggerated. Could cabling and satellite receiver really make that much difference? I just picked up a 3rd receiver and it has an HDMI output. My other two HD receivers only have DVI, and the tv's they connected to accepted only component.

Respectfully,
Skip

MaliciousBraham, I want to preface this by saying that I'm no guru. :D I used your settings on my 1130. I'm currently using component cable from my DTV box. It seems that the picture is skewed toward red and the greens(especially football field turf) exaggerated. Could cabling and satellite receiver really make that much difference? I just picked up a 3rd receiver and it has an HDMI output. My other two HD receivers only have DVI, and the tv's they connected to accepted only component.

Respectfully,
Skip

Believe it or not, my eyes tell me they are skewed toward blue if anything... I have a motorola 6412 dvr and comcast cable via hdmi connection.

I have tried other settings here as well and they have been skewed for me. I dont know if something is up with my dvr or not, but these settings are pretty good for me. I'm always up for suggestions though.

post up your settings when you get some you like and I will give them a try and comment back... but right now all I can say is.. maybe my setup really is that different...

of course I may just be blind and all this is a moot point. ;)

Believe it or not, my eyes tell me they are skewed toward blue if anything... I have a motorola 6412 dvr and comcast cable via hdmi connection.

I have tried other settings here as well and they have been skewed for me. I dont know if something is up with my dvr or not, but these settings are pretty good for me. I'm always up for suggestions though.

post up your settings when you get some you like and I will give them a try and comment back... but right now all I can say is.. maybe my setup really is that different...

of course I may just be blind and all this is a moot point. ;)
I decided to watch part of a dvd to see if there were any differences. There definitely were! I have an old Yamaha(DV-S5270) and use component on it as well. The colors were definitely toned down. Some scenes were actually looking washed out. I can now appreciate that different sources and material produce different results.

Next week(I hope) I'll be having DirecTV install a 5-LNB dish and replace my two HD receivers with the new MPEG-4 type. I'll easily be past my break-in hours and then will start my "tuning." And you're correct, everyone has his/her own preferences whether it be audio or visual. I appreciate the help, trust me. :)

hello everyone, i have been lurking on these forums for awhile, soaking up all the great info. i think i am finally ready to go ahead and get the 5060. i am not in any real rush to get it (although before the nfl playoffs would be nice :) ). do you all think there will be price breaks following christmas? i will probably wait and see cause its not that far off, but just wondered what you all thought.

also, i am currently running a panasonic s29 dvd player. any recommendations for an upconverting dvd player, not too expensive. i think i saw the panny s77 recommended on this thread, and i have read a lot of good things about the oppo. does anyone have any experience with the oppo with the pioneer displays - any problems with the macroblocking bug or audio synch with the pioneer?

thanks for all the info so far, i will probably have more questions once i actually get my tv!

I am running digital audio from STB to receiver as well. I can't figure out how to just listen to 5060's speakers. I want option for my wife and kid.

Any suggestions.

Hi guys, I'm a TOTAL noob with Plasmas but I still bought the 1130 HD Pioneer 50" Elite model. I was very upset because a lot of things didn't go as well as planned with the whole purchasing experience with BB, because they didn't have an installer (rescheduled) available the day the stuff was suppose to be delivered and someone was suppose to come 2 weeks after that. So I decided to mount and connect the TV myself which went pretty well.

I turned everything on and the picture was beautiful. I got this TV 3 days ago.

My dad likes to watch USA channel when he's here and this is where my troubles begin.

After basically one afternoon of watching that channel, in the evening the same day, I noticed that USA logo was burned in! I was so upset. How is that I get a top of the line Plasma (6th gen at that) and after a few hours of watching one channel I got a burn in. Best Buy people told me that burn-in would be possible only if I really left the screen on paused for a few days on one image.

I admit, I didn't get into calibration, break-in thing when I got it. I didn't really think about it because the image was incredible the moment I turned the TV on and every single TV that I had so far worked the same way out of the box.

Now, USA channel is burned in, though it's not really noticable when you watch regular TV or DVD. It's faint impression that is somewhat visible only in white scenes.

It's the 4th day now and I'm really, not upset, but very dissapointed and sad that a set with this type of image quality is now shattered with the USA logo that I see on ocassion. People usually don't even notice it, but I do and is a bit frustrating.

Could this be temporary thing that will fade away or I'm pretty much screwed with what I have. I've read a lot of about the static channel and leaving it overnight (couple of hours), but in some places I read that it shortens the lifespan of the display.

I'm afraid that BB or Pioneer won't do anything about this because on Plasma this burn-in issue is non-warranted. But I just can't get over the fact that this TV has been here for 4 days and it has this nasty thing burned in now.

On the other hand, I bought Panasonic EDTV 42" Plasma for my loft area, the same day Pioneer got hooked on, and this TV has been on for 3 days non-stop while being mostly on USA channel as well and no issues like I have on Pioneer. How about that.

Would anyone be kind enough to help me with what I need to do to continue using my Pioneer in the living room. I'm so afraid now that I don't even watch channels with any type of logos on screen, not to mention that I completely stopped switching to USA channel, not even for a sec.

Thank you!

also, i am currently running a panasonic s29 dvd player. any recommendations for an upconverting dvd player, not too expensive. i think i saw the panny s77 recommended on this thread, and i have read a lot of good things about the oppo. does anyone have any experience with the oppo with the pioneer displays - any problems with the macroblocking bug or audio synch with the pioneer?

I'm also considering the S77 (or S97) for my Pio 5060. Is macroblocking something that may bother some people more than others (like the judder issue) or is this definitely noticable when using this player and panel combo?

Hi guys, I'm a TOTAL noob with Plasmas but I still bought the 1130 HD Pioneer 50" Elite model. I was very upset because a lot of things didn't go as well as planned with the whole purchasing experience with BB, because they didn't have an installer (rescheduled) available the day the stuff was suppose to be delivered and someone was suppose to come 2 weeks after that. So I decided to mount and connect the TV myself which went pretty well.

I turned everything on and the picture was beautiful. I got this TV 3 days ago.

My dad likes to watch USA channel when he's here and this is where my troubles begin.

After basically one afternoon of watching that channel, in the evening the same day, I noticed that USA logo was burned in! I was so upset. How is that I get a top of the line Plasma (6th gen at that) and after a few hours of watching one channel I got a burn in. Best Buy people told me that burn-in would be possible only if I really left the screen on paused for a few days on one image.

I admit, I didn't get into calibration, break-in thing when I got it. I didn't really think about it because the image was incredible the moment I turned the TV on and every single TV that I had so far worked the same way out of the box.

Now, USA channel is burned in, though it's not really noticable when you watch regular TV or DVD. It's faint impression that is somewhat visible only in white scenes.

It's the 4th day now and I'm really, not upset, but very dissapointed and sad that a set with this type of image quality is now shattered with the USA logo that I see on ocassion. People usually don't even notice it, but I do and is a bit frustrating.

Could this be temporary thing that will fade away or I'm pretty much screwed with what I have. I've read a lot of about the static channel and leaving it overnight (couple of hours), but in some places I read that it shortens the lifespan of the display.

I'm afraid that BB or Pioneer won't do anything about this because on Plasma this burn-in issue is non-warranted. But I just can't get over the fact that this TV has been here for 4 days and it has this nasty thing burned in now.

On the other hand, I bought Panasonic EDTV 42" Plasma for my loft area, the same day Pioneer got hooked on, and this TV has been on for 3 days non-stop while being mostly on USA channel as well and no issues like I have on Pioneer. How about that.

Would anyone be kind enough to help me with what I need to do to continue using my Pioneer in the living room. I'm so afraid now that I don't even watch channels with any type of logos on screen, not to mention that I completely stopped switching to USA channel, not even for a sec.

Thank you!

You do not have burn-in. You have image retention. Turn to Discovery HD and leave it on that channel for 24 hours. After that, follow these recommendations...

1: Calibrate your set. You should not have the contrast above 28 for the first 100-200 hours.
2: Turn the power save mode to save2 (look in the manual if you do not know where it is)
3: View only 16:9 images on the screen for the first 100-200 hours.

I am running digital audio from STB to receiver as well. I can't figure out how to just listen to 5060's speakers. I want option for my wife and kid.

Any suggestions.

Can your STB output both analog and digital audio at the same time?

hello everyone, i have been lurking on these forums for awhile, soaking up all the great info. i think i am finally ready to go ahead and get the 5060. i am not in any real rush to get it (although before the nfl playoffs would be nice :) ). do you all think there will be price breaks following christmas? i will probably wait and see cause its not that far off, but just wondered what you all thought.

also, i am currently running a panasonic s29 dvd player. any recommendations for an upconverting dvd player, not too expensive. i think i saw the panny s77 recommended on this thread, and i have read a lot of good things about the oppo. does anyone have any experience with the oppo with the pioneer displays - any problems with the macroblocking bug or audio synch with the pioneer?

thanks for all the info so far, i will probably have more questions once i actually get my tv!

Get the s77. The Oppp sucks.

You do not have burn-in. You have image retention. Turn to Discovery HD and leave it on that channel for 24 hours. After that, follow these recommendations...

1: Calibrate your set. You should not have the contrast above 28 for the first 100-200 hours.
2: Turn the power save mode to save2 (look in the manual if you do not know where it is)
3: View only 16:9 images on the screen for the first 100-200 hours.


Thanks for the response. I had HBO movie channel without the logo on last night and I can still see USA when I look real close.

I did as you suggested and optimized some options like Contrast to 26, Save mode 2, toned down sharpness, NR/DRE is on High.

When you say view 16:9 images on the screen, is it ok to scale the full image over the screen on 2:35 DVD for example to cover the whole screen without any black lines, or scaling the images is also bad?

Also, are logos on TV channels that are transparent also dangerous for the screen burn-in. Like if you watch TNT which has a logo but it's 50-60% transparent.

Thx.

I am running digital audio from STB to receiver as well. I can't figure out how to just listen to 5060's speakers. I want option for my wife and kid.

Any suggestions.

If you STB is not hooked to a Home theater then you can usually set the box to output PCM (instead of Dolby Digital)

How have you got things hooked up?

Hi guys, I'm a TOTAL noob with Plasmas but I still bought the 1130 HD Pioneer 50" Elite model. I was very upset because a lot of things didn't go as well as planned with the whole purchasing experience with BB, because they didn't have an installer (rescheduled) available the day the stuff was suppose to be delivered and someone was suppose to come 2 weeks after that. So I decided to mount and connect the TV myself which went pretty well.

<snip>

I'm afraid that BB or Pioneer won't do anything about this because on Plasma this burn-in issue is non-warranted. But I just can't get over the fact that this TV has been here for 4 days and it has this nasty thing burned in now.

<snip>
I'm confused. :confused: How is it that you were able to buy an 1130(Elite model) at a BestBuy?

Hi all:

This guy is willing to sell his 5 month old PRO-1130 for a pretty good prize. 2-year warranty from Pioneer. He got the TV from an auction. He intended to use the TV for his store but he is closing his store now and wanting to ged rid of the TV. So tonight I am driving to his place and I will have a look at it. What do I have to watch out for most? How can I detect if there are any dead pixels? How about the 2 year Pioneer warranty. If I would have a dead pixel problem later on would they take care of it? PLEASE HELP :) I don't want to end up buying something I will be completely unhappy with due to the fact that there are problems with the TV.

Your help is much appreciated - thank you - I am learning new things every day!

I'm confused. :confused: How is it that you were able to buy an 1130(Elite model) at a BestBuy?
In a lot of the Best buy locations that are in semi upscale neighborhoods, they have opened up within the store a Magnolia Home theater store which occupies just a small corner of the store which is a sister store to Magnolia Audio Video stores located on the west coast.

These stores are handling the elite versions of pioneer along with Fujitsu Etc. there is cureently 4 of these on Long Island with a possibility of a couple of morre opening

Hi all:

This guy is willing to sell his 5 month old PRO-1130 for a pretty good prize. 2-year warranty from Pioneer. He got the TV from an auction. He intended to use the TV for his store but he is closing his store now and wanting to ged rid of the TV. So tonight I am driving to his place and I will have a look at it. What do I have to watch out for most? How can I detect if there are any dead pixels? How about the 2 year Pioneer warranty. If I would have a dead pixel problem later on would they take care of it? PLEASE HELP :) I don't want to end up buying something I will be completely unhappy with due to the fact that there are problems with the TV.

Your help is much appreciated - thank you - I am learning new things every day!


The 1130 did not exist 5 months ago except for pre productions. I think he is trying to sell you a 1120.

When you say view 16:9 images on the screen, is it ok to scale the full image over the screen on 2:35 DVD for example to cover the whole screen without any black lines, or scaling the images is also bad?

Also, are logos on TV channels that are transparent also dangerous for the screen burn-in. Like if you watch TNT which has a logo but it's 50-60% transparent.

Thx.

Yes it is ok to scale the image. Transparent logos are also ok. The only image retention I've seen on my 930 is from ESPNHD when they are broadcasting in 4:3 mode. Changed the channel and it was gone within minutes.

In a lot of the Best buy locations that are in semi upscale neighborhoods, they have opened up within the store a Magnolia Home theater store which occupies just a small corner of the store which is a sister store to Magnolia Audio Video stores located on the west coast.

These stores are handling the elite versions of pioneer along with Fujitsu Etc. there is cureently 4 of these on Long Island with a possibility of a couple of morre opening
Thanks for the clarification... it never dawned on me that perhaps he meant the Magnolia division. We have a few of those near me(DC area). :)

Hi all:

This guy is willing to sell his 5 month old PRO-1130 for a pretty good prize. 2-year warranty from Pioneer. He got the TV from an auction. He intended to use the TV for his store but he is closing his store now and wanting to ged rid of the TV. So tonight I am driving to his place and I will have a look at it. What do I have to watch out for most? How can I detect if there are any dead pixels? How about the 2 year Pioneer warranty. If I would have a dead pixel problem later on would they take care of it? PLEASE HELP :) I don't want to end up buying something I will be completely unhappy with due to the fact that there are problems with the TV.

Your help is much appreciated - thank you - I am learning new things every day!

As long as you have the original sales receipt I see no problems coming up with warranty issues. I believe this is how Pioneer handles warranty issues.

I wouldnt be so concerned about dead pixels unless you see them on material you watch often. Just be sure to demo some material similar to things you watch often and see how you like the picture. Be concious of your viewing distance for the demo and how that relates to the distance you would have in your house.

Other than that, hope you have a good time and pick up a good set! D-Nice is correct as well, the 1130 wouldnt have been available 5-6 months ago. 3 maybe if he was one of the first in the country to get one. I wouldnt let that deter me from going though. Just check the model numbers carefully on the display back. something somthing 506... something something would make it an 1130. 505 would make it an 1120 I believe.

I set my SA8300 to HDMI and now the speakers are working.

Thanks for the responses.

Yesterday a huge box showed up at my house and I spent the afternoon unpacking a new 5060. It looks fantastic (even when it's not plugged in). I have a complicated in-wall mount to do next which I'll tackle this weekend. Again, I just want to say how invaluable adivce from the folks on this forum has been. Thanks.

Now, next question. Where's the best place to buy a third-party 10-meter cable for the 5060? Spending another $500 to $600 on a Pio cable is out of the question. TV Authority has a good price on a clone but they're back-ordered.

And is the cable truly proprietary or can two off the shelf cable/plug sets be used instead?

Thanks once again.

Angus

Yesterday a huge box showed up at my house and I spent the afternoon unpacking a new 5060. It looks fantastic (even when it's not plugged in). I have a complicated in-wall mount to do next which I'll tackle this weekend. Again, I just want to say how invaluable adivce from the folks on this forum has been. Thanks.

Now, next question. Where's the best place to buy a third-party 10-meter cable for the 5060? Spending another $500 to $600 on a Pio cable is out of the question. TV Authority has a good price on a clone but they're back-ordered.

And is the cable truly proprietary or can two off the shelf cable/plug sets be used instead?

Thanks once again.

Angus

TVA's clone is from keydigital.com (http://24.39.137.71/), try contacting them directly...

im using the 10 meter keydigital for a pio 5050, works poifect!

TVA's clone is from keydigital.com (http://24.39.137.71/), try contacting them directly...

im using the 10 meter keydigital for a pio 5050, works poifect!

Are you using just HDMI or the two cable solution that Pioneer recommends?

i bought the pioneer factory 10mt cable (damn expensive but alternatives to the mdr20 were too hard to source in australia :( ) for i needed a 5mt length to do our install.

was always concerned by the extra 5mt length (10mts in total) so i also purchased a premium dvi cable in 5mts. so effectively i only use the mdr20 part of the pioneer leaving the dvi part unused but replaced by the 5mt length.

hope that made sense :)

cheers,

julie

For some reason I stopped getting emails from this thread - anyway, just resubscribing. I am waiting to paint my room until I hang my 5060, so I haven't been able to watch it any more since that one movie. I plan on being done painting this weekend - I need to investigate my lip synch issue further.

Set the 5060 up temporarily just to make sure there was no shipping damage. I'll be starting a week-long in-wall installation of the display and set of 5 Paradigm in-wall speakers and no way was I going to wait another week to see HD in my house. Out of the box, it was, of course, in dynamic mode and everyone just stopped what they were doing to watch elephants cavort across some vast plain in Africa. What a sight! Even when I throttled back to standard mode for break-in it was stunning. I did notice a couple of what I assume were judders--moments when an active part of the screen seemed to stumble a bit. It wasn't enough to be bothersome and I don't know if it was the set or the source material (cable HD channel). Whatever, for a picture this breathtaking, I'll live with it.

Only real negative remains the price of the 30-foot proprietary cable, which I consider extortion by the good folks at Pioneer. The best price I can find for the Key Digital clone (out of stock at TV Authority) is still more than my wife believes we should pay for a TV. The WORST prices I've seen are currently on ebay; some guy's seilling the clone for what a genuine Pioneer would cost.

Thanks again for the ideas.

Angus

Thanks for the response. I had HBO movie channel without the logo on last night and I can still see USA when I look real close.

I did as you suggested and optimized some options like Contrast to 26, Save mode 2, toned down sharpness, NR/DRE is on High.

When you say view 16:9 images on the screen, is it ok to scale the full image over the screen on 2:35 DVD for example to cover the whole screen without any black lines, or scaling the images is also bad?

Also, are logos on TV channels that are transparent also dangerous for the screen burn-in. Like if you watch TNT which has a logo but it's 50-60% transparent.

Thx.

Nfinity.... how is your image retention problem?

Set the 5060 up temporarily just to make sure there was no shipping damage. I'll be starting a week-long in-wall installation of the display and set of 5 Paradigm in-wall speakers and no way was I going to wait another week to see HD in my house. Out of the box, it was, of course, in dynamic mode and everyone just stopped what they were doing to watch elephants cavort across some vast plain in Africa. What a sight! Even when I throttled back to standard mode for break-in it was stunning. I did notice a couple of what I assume were judders--moments when an active part of the screen seemed to stumble a bit. It wasn't enough to be bothersome and I don't know if it was the set or the source material (cable HD channel). Whatever, for a picture this breathtaking, I'll live with it.

Only real negative remains the price of the 30-foot proprietary cable, which I consider extortion by the good folks at Pioneer. The best price I can find for the Key Digital clone (out of stock at TV Authority) is still more than my wife believes we should pay for a TV. The WORST prices I've seen are currently on ebay; some guy's seilling the clone for what a genuine Pioneer would cost.

Thanks again for the ideas.

Angus

Keep in mind that the source or errors in transmission can cause a judder stumble. With good solid material I don't see any judder (it's not the panel).

I have a Meridian 598 Player with 480p Component out and I have ordered an SDI Kit for it for cheap money.

I have tried a Panny S77 and it is ever so slightly better than the 480p Component from the Meridian. I can see a difference in 1 pattern on AVIA but in real video it's hard to see. The Meridian offers very proprietary audio options not available on any other player so I'd like to bring the Meridian up to current technology.

So I'm considering each of these Scalers.

http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/KD-SDI1080P.htm

http://www.dvdo.com/pro/pro_ishd.php

The DVDO I have in mind is NON HDCP and I didn't know if that would be a problem with the Pioneer 5060. The KD-SDI1080P unit does support HDCP but has much less reputation than the DVDO units have. And they both output DVI so I would be using a DVI to HDMI adapter.

I have a question with the HDMI setup on the 4360. I'm sure this has been asked somewhere but I couldn't find it.

I have my cable box connected via component (it's an older PACE box, don't think the DVI is active), and I have a Panny S77 connected via HDMI.

Does enabling HDMI always override the component? Every time I want to watch a DVD I have to go into the menu on the 4360 and enable HDMI? Then disable it again to watch cable?

I thought on my 5050 upstairs that I could leave the HDMI enabled and the component would remain active until the S77 was turned on, then the HDMI would override it.

Anyone have a setup like this?

I have a question with the HDMI setup on the 4360. I'm sure this has been asked somewhere but I couldn't find it.

I have my cable box connected via component (it's an older PACE box, don't think the DVI is active), and I have a Panny S77 connected via HDMI.

Does enabling HDMI always override the component? Every time I want to watch a DVD I have to go into the menu on the 4360 and enable HDMI? Then disable it again to watch cable?

I thought on my 5050 upstairs that I could leave the HDMI enabled and the component would remain active until the S77 was turned on, then the HDMI would override it.

Anyone have a setup like this?

weird... they only reason i could think of is if they are both connected to the same input ? ie both on input 1 or 3 (i think that's the 2 hdmi/component selections)

i've got dvd hooked to component on input 3 and tivo via hdmi on input 1 and don't have to switch...

weird... they only reason i could think of is if they are both connected to the same input ? ie both on input 1 or 3 (i think that's the 2 hdmi/component selections)

i've got dvd hooked to component on input 3 and tivo via hdmi on input 1 and don't have to switch...

I tried it on my 1130 when I first got it... if HDMI is on in the menu, even if nothing is connected to it, the component input is inactive for that input.

Right now I'm only using HDMI though. Input 1 is cable box, Input 3 is dvd.

Hmm,
I have
1 = cable box via component for HD
2 = SD TiVo via S-video
? HDMI for DVD

I don't know which # HDMI I plugged that into, I bet it's #1. If the HDMI's are either input 1 or 3, I should be able to switch it to the other HDMI input and solve the problem.

I'm wondering what fellow 1120 owners settings are. Mine are as follows:

Contrast: 33
Brightness: +6
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2
Pure Cinema: Standard
Color Temp: Mid-Low
MPEGNR: Mid
DNR: Mid
CTI: Off
DRE: Mid
Color Management: All colors are: 0

Thanks in advance for your feedback!

Greg

Thanks for the response. I had HBO movie channel without the logo on last night and I can still see USA when I look real close.

I did as you suggested and optimized some options like Contrast to 26, Save mode 2, toned down sharpness, NR/DRE is on High.

When you say view 16:9 images on the screen, is it ok to scale the full image over the screen on 2:35 DVD for example to cover the whole screen without any black lines, or scaling the images is also bad?

Also, are logos on TV channels that are transparent also dangerous for the screen burn-in. Like if you watch TNT which has a logo but it's 50-60% transparent.
Thx.

The logos that are "50-60%" transparent are the best for plasmas. These networks have listened to the tv manufacturers- and presumably the public- and have modified their logos to help prevent burn in.

Hmm,
I have
1 = cable box via component for HD
2 = SD TiVo via S-video
? HDMI for DVD

I don't know which # HDMI I plugged that into, I bet it's #1. If the HDMI's are either input 1 or 3, I should be able to switch it to the other HDMI input and solve the problem.

yea, unless something changed between the 50 & 60 series, that should do it !

Hi. I'm new to this forum but have been reading all the posts with much interest as it has helped me in my decision to purchase the 5060. My question is related to the need for surge protectors/power line conditioners and how vulnerable the tv is to power fluctuations. I just received my 5060 2 days ago. It was professionally installed on a wall mount. The monitor was plugged into a wall receptacle placed at monitor level (I believe the receptacle was wired off another receptacle below it at floor level). There was not a surge protector at the time as I did not have one that would work at monitor level yet. Anyways, the tv did not work when installed. Initially there was a full screen picture but shortly therafter (about one hour), the lower half of the screen stopped producing an image (it displayed thick black lines and some thick black/gray boxes). The top half of the monitor displayed the top half of the image. This was the case on all 4 input modes. Shortly thereafter, now the monitor does not display any image at all. In fact, I can not keep the monitor from switching to standby mode - a greenish burst appears, then the tv blackens and goes to standby mode. Obviously I'm very distressed as the tv is only 2 days old. An authorized service man is coming to look at the tv at Pioneer's request - I'm hoping they will simply replace the unit. The tv and media receiver are connected to the outlets via Monster HTFS 500 and HTS 1000 protectors with no difference in picture regardless of whether they are connected through the surge protectors or directly to an outlet. There have been no lightning storms or any other sources of major power surges that I know of. Does anyone have any thoughts on the issue?

Hi. I'm new to this forum but have been reading all the posts with much interest as it has helped me in my decision to purchase the 5060. My question is related to the need for surge protectors/power line conditioners and how vulnerable the tv is to power fluctuations. I just received my 5060 2 days ago. It was professionally installed on a wall mount. The monitor was plugged into a wall receptacle placed at monitor level (I believe the receptacle was wired off another receptacle below it at floor level). There was not a surge protector at the time as I did not have one that would work at monitor level yet. Anyways, the tv did not work when installed. Initially there was a full screen picture but shortly therafter (about one hour), the lower half of the screen stopped producing an image (it displayed thick black lines and some thick black/gray boxes). The top half of the monitor displayed the top half of the image. This was the case on all 4 input modes. Shortly thereafter, now the monitor does not display any image at all. In fact, I can not keep the monitor from switching to standby mode - a greenish burst appears, then the tv blackens and goes to standby mode. Obviously I'm very distressed as the tv is only 2 days old. An authorized service man is coming to look at the tv at Pioneer's request - I'm hoping they will simply replace the unit. The tv and media receiver are connected to the outlets via Monster HTFS 500 and HTS 1000 protectors with no difference in picture regardless of whether they are connected through the surge protectors or directly to an outlet. There have been no lightning storms or any other sources of major power surges that I know of. Does anyone have any thoughts on the issue?

It sounds like you have a bad panel. Why not take it back to the store you bought it from and get a replacement?

I've been using component cables on my new 5060 and all has been great, but a new HDMI cable showed up at my door today & I tried to set it up. Once I enabled HDMI, video is fine, but there's no sound. I've been through the options/hdmi/audio menu and tried auto, analog & digital. Nothing. Setup is: HDMI from Motorola 6412 cable box/recorder to Pio media center. Optical cable from the media center to Yamaha AV receiver.

I do have sound when I run analog cables from the cable box to the AV receiver. And before I got the Pio, the optical cable worked fine on my DVD player.

What am I missing?

As usual, thanks.

Angus

You have to change the audio settings in the menus.

It sounds like you have a bad panel. Why not take it back to the store you bought it from and get a replacement?
I was working on getting a replacement, but the store I bought the tv from wanted to get an authorized service center to come out and look at it first before they would send a replacement. I also wanted to make sure that once I got a replacement, the same issue wouldn't occur just in case the problem was with my power outlet.

I was working on getting a replacement, but the store I bought the tv from wanted to get an authorized service center to come out and look at it first before they would send a replacement. I also wanted to make sure that once I got a replacement, the same issue wouldn't occur just in case the problem was with my power outlet.


Ok. When you do get a replacement, make sure it has surge protection.

You have to change the audio settings in the menus.

Did that (see my original post) and still no sound. Other ideas?

Did that (see my original post) and still no sound. Other ideas?
Are there any audio setting in the 6412?

Did that (see my original post) and still no sound. Other ideas?

The Audio that comes in on HDMI, I don't think will go back out the Optical. At least I know Dolby Digital 5.1 will not.

Only what is is decoded by the built in tuner will do Dolby Digital 5.1 out the optical.

If you set the STB to output PCM on HDMI it may pass through.

Unfortunely to get the full Dolby Digital 5.1 you will have to run and Optical/Coax from STB to Receiver anyway.

I've been using component cables on my new 5060 and all has been great, but a new HDMI cable showed up at my door today & I tried to set it up. Once I enabled HDMI, video is fine, but there's no sound. I've been through the options/hdmi/audio menu and tried auto, analog & digital. Nothing. Setup is: HDMI from Motorola 6412 cable box/recorder to Pio media center. Optical cable from the media center to Yamaha AV receiver.

I am only guessing for your set-up, but I too experienced a similar issue on my configuration.

I was not able to have both analog and digital connected at the same time on my receiver. If I did, it automatically defaulted to analog.

What I was told was that the "busses" are different and do not speak with each other. So I went ALL digital.

I hope this helps.

You must enable the HDMI input from home menu. Also once you enable HDMI you can not ust optical out if you plan on using an AV reciever with that option. Good Luck, Rich

Gotta watch the game but I'll post later for review. I LOVE THIS SET !! Would love to post a pic but cant figure out how!My File size is too big !! Any advice? Thanks,Rich

weird... they only reason i could think of is if they are both connected to the same input ? ie both on input 1 or 3 (i think that's the 2 hdmi/component selections)

i've got dvd hooked to component on input 3 and tivo via hdmi on input 1 and don't have to switch...
Input 1 is set for component,you must switch this to HDMI via the home menu,imput 3 is set for HDMI via factory default. Hope this helps,Rich

For whatever it's worth, I thought I'd let you all know that the Pioneer Table Top TV Stand PDK 1013 work perfectly with the HD5060 model. The legs on the stand align perfectly with the sockets on the set.
BEN

For whatever it's worth, I thought I'd let you all know that the Pioneer Table Top TV Stand PDK 1013 work perfectly with the HD5060 model. The legs on the stand align perfectly with the sockets on the set.
BEN

The PDK 1012, which is essentially the same stand, works well with the 5060!

I solved my HDMI vs. component issue, it was operator error as usual. I didn't realize the "enable HDMI" was input specific. I just had to move the Panny DVD HDMI to input 3 and then enable it for input 3 and disable it for input 1. When I was enabling/disabling before, I didn't notice the "Input 1" up at the top in small letters. I thought it was an all/none proposition, but you need to do it for each input.

You must enable the HDMI input from home menu. Also once you enable HDMI you can not ust optical out if you plan on using an AV reciever with that option. Good Luck, Rich

Rich and others who have kindly responded.

Sorry, I'm new at this and need to understand the basics. Are you saying I can get a digital audio signal from my cable box to the PIO Media Ctr using HDMI, but there's no way to get a digital audio signal from the Media Ctr to my AV receiver for 5.1 playback?

Thanks.

Angus

Rich and others who have kindly responded.

Sorry, I'm new at this and need to understand the basics. Are you saying I can get a digital audio signal from my cable box to the PIO Media Ctr using HDMI, but there's no way to get a digital audio signal from the Media Ctr to my AV receiver for 5.1 playback?

Thanks.

Angus

You should use the optical out (or digital coax out, your preference) on your cable box and hook that directly to your AV receiver.

leaving the tv out of the loop audio-wise is the best bet. There may be a setting in the cable box menus to turn on the optical outs, but i think on most cable boxes they are always active.

Anyone have a Denon 3910 connected to their 1130 via HDMI?

How do the two units work with each other?

I have an 1130 and DV-79avi but Im having problems getting the 79avi to cooperate with my IR 7.1 via firewire so Im considering a Denon 3910. Before I jump, I wanted to know if anyone has any opions on the 3910 when connected to the 1130.

Thanks

John