Thanks Chris

The sync issue with the Oppo happens when you connect the video and audio to the panel and use the panel's speakers. Anytime you connect it to an audio receiver, the receiver should be able to correct the sync issue.

I'd more likely think it's a piss poor LG player, I know nothing about this brand that has you up in arms, it's not likely I ever will!

I am happy with D-VHS / D-Theater with this display, real HD.

None the less, have a great day. :rolleyes:

I'd more likely think it's a piss poor LG player, I know nothing about this brand that has you up in arms, it's not likely I ever will!

I am happy with D-VHS / D-Theater with this display, real HD.

None the less, have a great day. :rolleyes:

Yeah I know.

Do you know of any places that still sell d-theater tapes? I know JVC does but are there any other places?

Do you know of any places that still sell d-theater tapes? I know JVC does but are there any other places?

Try the FOX store on line for one, seems several still sell a few (e-bay is not my cup of tea). Sad no new "movies" (I Robot was the last?, but one of the best PQ wise), HD Optical is going no where fast (you can read all about that your self) in the HDTV Software thread here at AVS. There are several small firms still making new D-VHS tapes to sell, HDNet for one.

I can also record OTA via a Sammy 165 firewire receiver. It now seems the Pio Media Box only outputs to the newer 5U JVC's, sorry I don't know why this is true (some firewire/CP thing)? BTW; I have not even tried it here after hearing this news. Seems no one here knows anything about the firewire feature?

This has little to do with this thread other than it's how I use my display. :)

I just got Pioneer 436 today. Since I do not have a calibration disk, I try to read the Master burn-in thread. Now I'm on page 13 but there is no setting advice so far.

Please kindly advice the proper setting for dvd and SAT SD TV in order to avoid burn-in. I have to wait until next year before I can buy a calibration disk, it's too long.

Thanks,
Pal

My media box noise problem is solved. I took my media box into the Pioneer rep I spoke with last week. When I plugged it in for him he was surprised how loud it was, noting that some people are just very picky about any noise, however mine really was pretty bad. I took another one home, and while there is still a bit of a noise, its 100 times better than the other one.

Malvo1, you noted that like me, you can hear your box at 12 feet during normal listening. If it bugs you, I'd definitely have it exchanged. Thanks for your comments folks. Now, its time to sit back and enjoy

D-Nice

I'd more likely think it's a piss poor LG player,...........

As a side bar to this issue, I picked up a low cost Sony today, which seems to not have the issue at all, and does the up-convert via HDMI. No point in dumping a load on this problem with HD-Optical "coming soon", well maybe soon?

Have a good one, maybe some 1394 wiz will come along and let us know what's up with the Pio Media Box vs older (30 - 40K's) D-VHS JVC's/other brands? ;)

I think your firewire issue may be firmware related on the D-VHS side.

Which Sony did you get? The 70 or 90?

Which Sony did you get? The 70 or 90?

70H, as I said low cost, but it solved the issue (audio sync and hanging video) I had with the LG. It's just a stop gap thing. I'm happy with it so far. (got through Polar Express no hangs at all, and a few other various disc's)

You may be right on the 30K firmware idea, I did notice while making sure everything was working (after installing the Sony), the media box auto senses a hot firewire signal and swtiched to input 2 on it's own. I found that interesting, I was switching between two 30K's the first was on input 3 component but stopping the first and starting the second (with their remotes) switched it. Live and learn I guess?

Have a good one.

Just wanted to throw this out there as I just came back from a trip and the last 3 pages doesnt make much sense and is pretty confusing at first read ;) Since when did this become a dvd player thread?

I have an LG 511 dvd player (upconverting over HDMI) and it has resolution problems on hdmi, known problem. I switched back to component and am much happier with the picture. But the 1130 is much more deserving of say a 79avi I think...

Maybe I'll get one in the future...

mikroski-

I see no one answered your question on settings during the break-in period. You wrote you have a Pioneer 436, did you leave off the 0, is it's a 4360. If you look back about 4-5 pages, you should find a few settings people are using for you to try. At least you don't have to try to read this entire thread!

As for me, I am using "User" mode and have contrast at 30 and brightness at -4 or -5. Also, look at MaliciousBraham's posting above, ghis sig has a link to his settings.

Just wanted to throw this out there as I just came back from a trip and the last 3 pages doesnt make much sense and is pretty confusing at first read ;) Since when did this become a dvd player thread?

I have an LG 511 dvd player (upconverting over HDMI) and it has resolution problems on hdmi, known problem. I switched back to component and am much happier with the picture. But the 1130 is much more deserving of say a 79avi I think...

Maybe I'll get one in the future...

Yeah, it was mayhem yesterday. Just skip over it.

Just wanted to throw this out there as I just came back from a trip and the last 3 pages doesnt make much sense and is pretty confusing at first read ;) Since when did this become a dvd player thread?

It has a lot to do with how these displays are used, by now most know how to adjust them (break-in or otherwise) if they just read this thread, BTW; some of us are interested in the firewire feature(s), even if your not. :rolleyes:

I could say I'm not interested in loud fans as I don't have the problem, does that mean no body should say a word about noise? I think not. ;)

To follow up on my Media Receiver Hanging.

As some of you may recall I had a problem a couple weeks ago where the TV would not turn on. It would get a "Please wait" message and turn off.

I think I narrowed it down to be something todo with TV Guide. I ran tons of experiments of disconnection lines, swapping, disabling TV Guide etc. I suspect it was corrupt data in TV Guide and after that corrupt data (i.e. Date) passed it no longer fails with everything connected and setup as it was originally. When it was failing it was broken every morning and was flashing a code on the media receiver.

I spoke with Pioneer folks and the service was excellent !!!

After about a week and a half I received a firmware upgrade (they said it would be a little while). The upgrade comes on a PCMCIA card which must be sent back.

Since the problem had just stopped I don't know if the new firmware fixes anything. Only time will tell. Firmware did not add any features, looks exactly the same.

My TV is a 5060 assembled in Oct 05 I think. I forget was version I had, forgot to check just before I upgraded, but I think it was 6.0.

The new version has files dated 9/01/05 and is version 6.01d (other display info is 2.4.2518, 04.04d)

The PCMCIA card is actually a SD adapter made by "Dazzle" (called 4in1 Card Adapter)
It had a 128 MB SD card in the adapter.

I copied and zipped the files.

It appears there is nothing special about the card, it just sees the files and upgrades when you turn the unit on.

If someone wants to try the files, PM me.

Contact Pioneer if you want to go through correct channels.

mikroski-

I see no one answered your question on settings during the break-in period. You wrote you have a Pioneer 436, did you leave off the 0, is it's a 4360. If you look back about 4-5 pages, you should find a few settings people are using for you to try. At least you don't have to try to read this entire thread!

As for me, I am using "User" mode and have contrast at 30 and brightness at -4 or -5. Also, look at MaliciousBraham's posting above, ghis sig has a link to his settings.
Nelson,
Thank you very much. I found it impossibel to read all this thread and Master Burn-in Thread in one night. I live in Thailand and the model number is not the same as in US even they look the same. The model I got is PDP-436HDG which is the latest model here..

I read the Master Burn-in Thread and very confuse. Begin of the thread, They advice to set down the contrast and brightness but how low? Then someone said that setting brightness to low is not a good idea.

Regards,
Pal

It has a lot to do with how these displays are used, by now most know how to adjust them (break-in or otherwise) if they just read this thread, BTW; some of us are interested in the firewire feature(s), even if your not. :rolleyes:

I could say I'm not interested in loud fans as I don't have the problem, does that mean no body should say a word about noise? I think not. ;)


I think he was commenting on Mr. Optivity's intro into this thread not your firewire questions.

I think he was commenting on Mr. Optivity's intro into this thread not your firewire questions. :confused:

Ok, how about this.....

"I think he was commenting on Mr. Optivity and I discussion on the Oppo971 not your firewire questions."

Will that put a smile on your face today optivity?

I think he was commenting on Mr. Optivity's intro into this thread not your firewire questions.

In reflection I'm sure your right, I guess I might have muddied the waters though with my LG player issue/question? None the less all's well that ends well, I hope :)

For the fellow in "HS" land, this was a few pages back (in THIS thread) and are settings for a brand/model of cable box, if you continue back in this thread there are other settings that can be used, you can read these in your time. I hope this helps?


Ok peeps,

Here are my latest settings for the TWC SA 8300 cable box. They make a big impact on the PQ. Let me know what you think....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -1
Color: +2
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -1
G High: -5
B High: -2
R Low: -3
G Low: -7
B Low: -2
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -4
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

I can also record OTA via a Sammy 165 firewire receiver. It now seems the Pio Media Box only outputs to the newer 5U JVC's, sorry I don't know why this is true (some firewire/CP thing)? BTW; I have not even tried it here after hearing this news. Seems no one here knows anything about the firewire feature?TV’s which include firewire program out support & integrated DVRs are nice in "concept." It's too bad that Conditional Access Copy Protection & the impending Broadcast Flag mechanisms are used to "defeat" these capabilities. There is nothing like getting a "fancy" $$$$ digital "toy" hooked up to your favorite (sic) CATV provider's system... just to find out many of the manufacturers "highly touted" features don't work as anticipated. Who cares about "Fair Use & Consumer Rights?" Certainly not Congress, the MPAA, Time Warner or Comcast. ;) almost, a smile...

optivity,

Have you have heard about the new SA 8600 which "supposedly" has a built-in dvd recorder?

Interesting.

TV’s which include firewire program out support & integrated DVRs are nice in "concept." It's too bad that Conditional Access Copy Protection & the impending Broadcast Flag mechanisms are used to "defeat" these capabilities. There is nothing like getting a "fancy" $$$$ digital "toy" hooked up to your favorite (sic) CATV provider's system... just to find out many of the manufacturers "highly touted" features don't work as anticipated. Who cares about "Fair Use & Consumer Rights?" Certainly not Congress, the MPAA, Time Warner or Comcast. ;) almost, a smile...

I can't speak for cable box's this is a very mixed bag as it seems you know, I currently have no problems recording to D-VHS (HD) from any of the digital OTA stations in my market using the Sammy 165 (watching the firmware very carefully) presently, but put the HD feed on the -2 sub and forget it!

I'm in this case, wanting to use the Media Box's built in tuner and firewire out to record OTA HD and clear a space in the rack, several folks here with the new 5U JVC say it works fine, but NOT with say the old 30K's / 40K's, as a result of these postings I have NOT tried or even hooked the antenna to my media box. If I thought it might work, I'd find time to try it.

I am happy to get to the bottom of the player issue (audio sync and hangs), and am very happy with the new player, until / when ever HD-Optical comes along, if the places (and one software firm) you speak of above allow it to happen at all.

Have a good one. :)

Ok, how about this.....

"I think he was commenting on Mr. Optivity and I discussion on the Oppo971 not your firewire questions."

Will that put a smile on your face today optivity?


Can't you kids just leave it alone? I swear you're both about 15 years old. I really expected more from AVSForum members.

Can't you kids just leave it alone? I swear you're both about 15 years old. I really expected more from AVSForum members.What is your complaint regarding my post (#1771)? I was merely commenting on the MPAA w/Broadcast Flag & CATV providers w/Copy Protection and what impact these policies have regarding consumer TVs/DCR standalone device features like: IEEE 1394, integrated DVRs (e.g. LG-50PY2DR) or the "ill-fated" Sony DHG-HDD250/500.

BTW... "mikey p" content providers will eventually plug the "Analog Hole" for OTA HD broadcasts... which means no more HD D-VHS recording either.

please don't shoot the messenger

If Scientific Atlanta is releasing a new STB-DVR, I am interested.

I would not recommend the 1410. It is actually a rebadged NEC. It has a reputation of have major image retention and not so great blacks (the Sony Qualia even kills it in black level). If you want a larger display, I would go for the Panny 65". I'm looking at it too for my new house....but I think it may be too big to go over the fireplace :(

Now, back to our normal Pioneer programming.

D-Nice...spoke to Magnolia today about setting up the return for the 1130HD. they are asking if i will take a 1410HD, at a great price, like what I got the 1130 for. I've seen the pic on the 1410 and it doesn't look bad at all. is it worth it for the money ($6K +/-)? Pioneer told me this week they will not have a replacement for the 1410 until August, so they say.

The Fujitsu is just too much money, but a nice tv nonetheless. need guidance.. HELP!

Andy

Hello everyone,

I recently purchased the 1130 and finished going through this massive informative thread. During my break period, I set the contrast at 23 and the brightness at -5, with power save2. I mostly watched Discovery HD with some HBO HB, Showtime HD, HDNet. After 85 hours, I left the 1130 on on Discovery HD and went to bed. When I woke up at 8:00 AM, I noticed that the screen was blank screen (dark grey or almost black) on the DirecTV Showcase channel 582. After some analysis, I found that the DTivo switched to channel 582 at 4:30 AM. I hooked my computer and performed the image retention test with a white background and observed no retained images. However, I'm still concerned about any detrimental effect associated with recording a blank screen (dark grey or almost black) for 4 hours before reaching the 100 hour break-in. Any opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jerome

D-Nice,

I just purchased and installed a new S77 connected via HDMI to an 1130 MR using HDMI#3. The first DVD I tested the new S77 was with "Batman Begins" converted to 1080i. The PQ was outstanding and was much better than my sony NS-725P using component connections to the 1130 MR. I also have the S77 optical connected into a Sony ES Reciver.

During initial testing I found out the 5.1 surround sound was not working any longer while watching Batman Begins. I checked all my connections and settings from S77 to 1130 MR with no luck. I tested the 5.1 surround sound by using the S77s speaker test under: Setup/Audio/Speaker Settings/Speaker Type/Multi-Channel/Multi-Channel Testing/Test. The speakers which tested ok were: L, C and R. The SW, RS and LS were not getting any sound.

Listed are audio settings on the S77:
Setup/Audio:
PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz
Dolby Digital : PCM
DTS Digital Surround : PCM
Dynamic Range Comp: Off
Audio during Search : On
Speaker Settings
Speaker Type:Multi-Channel

HDMI:
HDMI RGB Range : Standard
HDMI Video Mode : On
HDMI Audio Output: On

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
George

D-Nice,

I just purchased and installed a new S77 connected via HDMI to an 1130 MR using HDMI#3.

Listed are audio settings on the S77:
Setup/Audio:
PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz *********
Dolby Digital : PCM *********
DTS Digital Surround : PCM *********
Dynamic Range Comp: Off
Audio during Search : On
Speaker Settings
Speaker Type:Multi-Channel


Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
George

Seems you have the player setting wrong, I go through this with every new player. :o

See other options on the ***** lines, just did this yesterday, no joke

BTW... "mikey p" content providers will eventually plug the "Analog Hole" for OTA HD broadcasts... which means no more HD D-VHS recording either.

please don't shoot the messenger



WOW!, I had no idea firewire AKA IEEE1934 was analog! :rolleyes:

My apologies for the rookie question, but should my DVD player be set to 480i or 480p for my 1130. I have the cheapie Panasonic S29 DVD player hooked up via component.

My apologies for the rookie question, but should my DVD player be set to 480i or 480p for my 1130. I have the cheapie Panasonic S29 DVD player hooked up via component.


Which ever looks the best.

D-Nice...spoke to Magnolia today about setting up the return for the 1130HD. they are asking if i will take a 1410HD, at a great price, like what I got the 1130 for. I've seen the pic on the 1410 and it doesn't look bad at all. is it worth it for the money ($6K +/-)? Pioneer told me this week they will not have a replacement for the 1410 until August, so they say.

The Fujitsu is just too much money, but a nice tv nonetheless. need guidance.. HELP!

Andy

The blacks won't be as good as the 1130 but the colors are on par with the 1130. Pioneer is replacing the 1410 with a 1080p model with 6G (or 7G) tech. You may see that 1410 replacement much sooner than August ;)

Why not get a replacement 1130?

Hello everyone,

I recently purchased the 1130 and finished going through this massive informative thread. During my break period, I set the contrast at 23 and the brightness at -5, with power save2. I mostly watched Discovery HD with some HBO HB, Showtime HD, HDNet. After 85 hours, I left the 1130 on on Discovery HD and went to bed. When I woke up at 8:00 AM, I noticed that the screen was blank screen (dark grey or almost black) on the DirecTV Showcase channel 582. After some analysis, I found that the DTivo switched to channel 582 at 4:30 AM. I hooked my computer and performed the image retention test with a white background and observed no retained images. However, I'm still concerned about any detrimental effect associated with recording a blank screen (dark grey or almost black) for 4 hours before reaching the 100 hour break-in. Any opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Jerome

Not an issue at all.

WOW!, I had no idea firewire AKA IEEE1934 was analog! :rolleyes:OK, you "got me" there pally... :D

It's been so long since I've used a VHS recorder... I'm not up on up to speed on the D-VHS format. ;)

BTW... All OTA broadcasts (analog & digital) will eventually be "protected" with a Broadcast Flag. ;)

I'm surprise a "guy like you" hasen't "stepped-up" to a DVD-5910 & a DVR-520H-S yet. :)

My apologies for the rookie question, but should my DVD player be set to 480i or 480p for my 1130. I have the cheapie Panasonic S29 DVD player hooked up via component.I'd recommend trying 480i with an S-Video connection and 480p through component and use what looks best to you.

D-Nice,

I just purchased and installed a new S77 connected via HDMI to an 1130 MR using HDMI#3. The first DVD I tested the new S77 was with "Batman Begins" converted to 1080i. The PQ was outstanding and was much better than my sony NS-725P using component connections to the 1130 MR. I also have the S77 optical connected into a Sony ES Reciver.

During initial testing I found out the 5.1 surround sound was not working any longer while watching Batman Begins. I checked all my connections and settings from S77 to 1130 MR with no luck. I tested the 5.1 surround sound by using the S77s speaker test under: Setup/Audio/Speaker Settings/Speaker Type/Multi-Channel/Multi-Channel Testing/Test. The speakers which tested ok were: L, C and R. The SW, RS and LS were not getting any sound.

Listed are audio settings on the S77:
Setup/Audio:
PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz
Dolby Digital : PCM
DTS Digital Surround : PCM
Dynamic Range Comp: Off
Audio during Search : On
Speaker Settings
Speaker Type:Multi-Channel

HDMI:
HDMI RGB Range : Standard
HDMI Video Mode : On
HDMI Audio Output: On

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
George

mikey p is correct check the following settings:

PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz
Dolby Digital : PCM
DTS Digital Surround : PCM

PCM should only be used when sending the audio to the 1130 (HDMI) and using the 1130's speakers.

BTW... All OTA broadcasts (analog & digital) will eventually be "protected" with a Broadcast Flag. ;)

I'm surprise a "guy like you" hasen't "stepped-up" to a DVD-5910 & a DVR-520H-S yet. :)

Ya, they (FCC) tried the "flag", the courts over ruled, and YES the MPAA / CBS are trying again, so what? When it ends, it ends, go terrorize some one else!

As for other options, I'm waiting for the HD Optical recorders and see what's what at that time, trust me ("for me") D-VHS is fine and fun right now.

Needless to say your getting this thread OT again, so that all from me.

Ya, they (FCC) tried the "flag", the courts over ruled, and YES the MPAA / CBS are trying again, so what? When it ends, it ends, go terrorize some one else!That would be Al Qaeda's job. Please don't "equate" a difference of opinion with terrorism... it's not funny.

mikey p is correct check the following settings:



Sorry, the question was addressed to you, I just went through that yesterday, and had to set the new Sony, then screwed it up, and had to re-set it the second time. :o

That's kind of what I was pointing to when I said I was seeing if everything still worked, before I pushed the rack back to the wall. :)

After all, this is hobby stuff to me, not a living. :D

Hi guys,
I am posting this here because you guys seem to be the most "into" this TV. For a while now, Pioneer 4360HD has been at the top of my list. I was waiting for either the price to come down or something to happen at the CES.

I saw that there are a few online dealers who are offering it for nearly a G less than the MSRP, but they are not authorized dealers. I know that the manufacturer's warranty doesn't hold in such cases. Do you guys think it is sensible for me to bypass the manufacturer's warranty and buy some external warranty, if I go that route?

Appreciate the input,
Kumar

The blacks won't be as good as the 1130 but the colors are on par with the 1130. Pioneer is replacing the 1410 with a 1080p model with 6G (or 7G) tech. You may see that 1410 replacement much sooner than August ;)

Why not get a replacement 1130?

Thanks for the info. the reason for returning the 1130 is it is a bit too small, which is why i am looking at the 61"... i am caught between a rock and a hard place. new technology 50" is too small, old technology has right size.

any more accurate info on when the 1410 replacement will hit the street or where there is some news on it?

thanks.

Hello all. I'm looking at the Pio 4360. The specs say a 1024x768 resolution, compared to 1280x768 for its bigger brother, the 5060. Yet the 4360 can display 720p (or so I understand).

My DVD player (Sony) outputs 1280x720p from its HDMI output. I'd like to use this resolution with the 4360, but think the 1280x720p might be a problem with the 4360's native resolution of 1024x768. Any thoughts? Is 1280x720p any better than 720x480p when using DVDs? HDTV?

Should I step up to the 5060 and get the 1280 horizontal resolution? Would that work better with 1280x720p? Note that I'd like to avoid the extra size and price of the 5060 if I can avoid it.

Thanks in advance.

Hello all. I'm looking at the Pio 4360. The specs say a 1024x768 resolution, compared to 1280x768 for its bigger brother, the 5060. Yet the 4360 can display 720p (or so I understand).

My DVD player (Sony) outputs 1280x720p from its HDMI output. I'd like to use this resolution with the 4360, but think the 1280x720p might be a problem with the 4360's native resolution of 1024x768. Any thoughts? Is 1280x720p any better than 720x480p when using DVDs? HDTV?

Should I step up to the 5060 and get the 1280 horizontal resolution? Would that work better with 1280x720p? Note that I'd like to avoid the extra size and price of the 5060 if I can avoid it.

Thanks in advance.

720p is fine for the 4360. It will have no problem displaying your Sony's picture.

Hi guys,
I am posting this here because you guys seem to be the most "into" this TV. For a while now, Pioneer 4360HD has been at the top of my list. I was waiting for either the price to come down or something to happen at the CES.

I saw that there are a few online dealers who are offering it for nearly a G less than the MSRP, but they are not authorized dealers. I know that the manufacturer's warranty doesn't hold in such cases. Do you guys think it is sensible for me to bypass the manufacturer's warranty and buy some external warranty, if I go that route?

Appreciate the input,
Kumar

A third party warranty is only as good as the orginal.

Have you attempted to contact authorized dealers like TV Authority, DTV City, Satelite and Sound? You will be amazed at their prices.

Thanks for the info. the reason for returning the 1130 is it is a bit too small, which is why i am looking at the 61"... i am caught between a rock and a hard place. new technology 50" is too small, old technology has right size.

any more accurate info on when the 1410 replacement will hit the street or where there is some news on it?

thanks.

Look for more news @ CES.

For now here is a thread that gives you a taste of the 1080p 50"....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6299687

In another forum like this, an owner is compalining aout his screen making contrast/brightness self adjustments in the middle of a scene.... ie, during a football game, if the camera pans from a dark area of the field to a light one, the panel will take it upon itself to even out the lighting.

Has anyone else noticed anything like this. On a number of occasions I've seen my panel make a subtle brightness shift... but I assumed it had something to do with the broadcast... and, now that I think about it... I don't think I've seen it happen during a dvd.

Hi guys,
I am posting this here because you guys seem to be the most "into" this TV. For a while now, Pioneer 4360HD has been at the top of my list. I was waiting for either the price to come down or something to happen at the CES.

I saw that there are a few online dealers who are offering it for nearly a G less than the MSRP, but they are not authorized dealers. I know that the manufacturer's warranty doesn't hold in such cases. Do you guys think it is sensible for me to bypass the manufacturer's warranty and buy some external warranty, if I go that route?

Appreciate the input,
Kumar

I just ordered the 4360 and scheduled delivery on Jan. 3rd :D
I called all the authorized Pioneer online dealers and found 3 or 4 of them offered about the same lowest price. One of them included free additional 2 year extended in-home waranty (3 years total including 1 year Pioneer waranty), Monster powercenter, and free shipping. They also offered the same package on the 5060. It was a no-brainer to take that deal knowing it is an authorized online Pioneer dealer. I can post an update when the TV arrives in 2 days. PM me for details if you want more info.

In another forum like this, an owner is compalining aout his screen making contrast/brightness self adjustments in the middle of a scene.... ie, during a football game, if the camera pans from a dark area of the field to a light one, the panel will take it upon itself to even out the lighting.

Has anyone else noticed anything like this. On a number of occasions I've seen my panel make a subtle brightness shift... but I assumed it had something to do with the broadcast... and, now that I think about it... I don't think I've seen it happen during a dvd.

Are you sure it is a xx60 or xx30 series Pioneer? I know that on older models with pure cinema set to ADV it would happen, but i have not seen it on my 930. Also, some broadcast actually do change brightness on pans. I've seen it on my 930 and Sharp 37G4U LCD.

In another forum like this, an owner is compalining aout his screen making contrast/brightness self adjustments in the middle of a scene.... ie, during a football game, if the camera pans from a dark area of the field to a light one, the panel will take it upon itself to even out the lighting.

Has anyone else noticed anything like this. On a number of occasions I've seen my panel make a subtle brightness shift... but I assumed it had something to do with the broadcast... and, now that I think about it... I don't think I've seen it happen during a dvd.

(Cool, I just figured out how you guys quote!)

Are you sure that person is seeing the panel make contrast/brightness adjustments, or was it the original source material doing that? When I read that description of the camera panning from a dark to light area, it reminded me of a Hi-Def image I saw yesterday on a Hi-Def OTA channel showing nature scenes between programing. The camera panned up along the front elevation of an old church. As it panned upwards to the sky, the church image got darker and I saw that as the exposure control of the camera shutting down the apeture as the light was becoming brighter. So as a result, the church would get darker as the camera got closer to the sun in the sky. I see that all the time on video cameras. I bet this is what that guy saw.

I've never heard of a TV that made auto contrast/brightness adjustments, except to maybe account for the lighting conditions in the room.

D-Nice,

I just purchased and installed a new S77 connected via HDMI to an 1130 MR using HDMI#3. The first DVD I tested the new S77 was with "Batman Begins" converted to 1080i. The PQ was outstanding and was much better than my sony NS-725P using component connections to the 1130 MR. I also have the S77 optical connected into a Sony ES Reciver.

During initial testing I found out the 5.1 surround sound was not working any longer while watching Batman Begins. I checked all my connections and settings from S77 to 1130 MR with no luck. I tested the 5.1 surround sound by using the S77s speaker test under: Setup/Audio/Speaker Settings/Speaker Type/Multi-Channel/Multi-Channel Testing/Test. The speakers which tested ok were: L, C and R. The SW, RS and LS were not getting any sound.

Listed are audio settings on the S77:
Setup/Audio:
PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz
Dolby Digital : PCM
DTS Digital Surround : PCM
Dynamic Range Comp: Off
Audio during Search : On
Speaker Settings
Speaker Type:Multi-Channel

HDMI:
HDMI RGB Range : Standard
HDMI Video Mode : On
HDMI Audio Output: On

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
George

George,

I had the same problem. The following settings worked for me:

Setup/Audio:
PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz
Dolby Digital : Bitstream
DTS Digital Surround : Bitstream
Dynamic Range Comp: Off
Audio during Search : On
Speaker Settings
Speaker Type:Multi-Channel

HDMI:
HDMI RGB Range : Standard
HDMI Video Mode : On
HDMI Audio Output: Off

Give this a shot, it worked for me.

-Aaron

Sorry abou the naive question here, but I just got my 1130 and I want to make sure I don't screw it up.

After reading a few of the threads here on the site (a great resource by the way - and I just want to take a moment to thank all of the experts for taking their time to share their thought/opinions and help rookies like myself), I'm now paranoid about burn-in and image retention.

Simply put, should I worry about watching channels with the network logo in the lower right during the first 100 hours?

Sorry abou the naive question here, but I just got my 1130 and I want to make sure I don't screw it up.

After reading a few of the threads here on the site (a great resource by the way - and I just want to take a moment to thank all of the experts for taking their time to share their thought/opinions and help rookies like myself), I'm now paranoid about burn-in and image retention.

Simply put, should I worry about watching channels with the network logo in the lower right during the first 100 hours?

Turn your contrast down to 25, brightness at -1 and turn the power save mode to save2 and you will be ok.

I have Cablevision in CT on a Sony WEGA 36 inch Trinitron. Excellent PQ on analog and digital channels.

I now want to purchase a 45 - 50 inch FLAT PANEL for wall mount in a new family room. Prime candidate is the Pioneer 1130/5060 (1280x768)--- or perhaps the new Sharp 45 inch LCD (1920x1080p) or Samsung 46 inch LCD (1366x768).

BUT --- Our prime viewing on the new flat panel will continue to be the analog channels via Cablevision. Our secondary viewing will be the digital and HD channels via Cablevision.

I am very concerned about the PQ that I will get when viewing the analog channels via Cablevision on the new flat panel. Analog channels are very important to us.

Note: I intuitively feel (guess) that the Pioneer plasmas are a "closer" to the analog signals than the LCD's --- hence the Pioneer for analog channel PQ. I also like the 50 inch size better.

I would appreciate any comments about this application.

Thank you
CharlesG

I have Cablevision in CT on a Sony WEGA 36 inch Trinitron. Excellent PQ on analog and digital channels.

I now want to purchase a 45 - 50 inch FLAT PANEL for wall mount in a new family room. Prime candidate is the Pioneer 1130/5060 (1280x768)--- or perhaps the new Sharp 45 inch LCD (1920x1080p) or Samsung 46 inch LCD (1366x768).

BUT --- Our prime viewing on the new flat panel will continue to be the analog channels via Cablevision. Our secondary viewing will be the digital and HD channels via Cablevision.

I am very concerned about the PQ that I will get when viewing the analog channels via Cablevision on the new flat panel. Analog channels are very important to us.

Note: I intuitively feel (guess) that the Pioneer plasmas are a "closer" to the analog signals than the LCD's --- hence the Pioneer for analog channel PQ. I also like the 50 inch size better.

I would appreciate any comments about this application.

Thank you
CharlesG

In my humble opinion, you might be disappointed in either option.

I am in southeast Wisconsin and have charter communications for cable (regular Digital Cable - Not HD. That comes tomorrow). I went from a normal 36" RCA TV to a 61" RCA Scenium DLP RPTV (which I would not recommend by the way). I also just added the 50" Pioneer 1130 to our Master Bedroom.

I didn't have a major issues with the PQ on the normal 36", but as soon as I moved up in size to the 61", the local analog channels looked like @%!$. I have this same issue on the 1130, although not as bad as the 61".

I beleive this issue is directly proportional to the size of the TV, not the brand or even it's quality. I don't know why, but the quality of local channels over cable (at least with Charter) is junk. Interestingly enough, non-local channels seem to be fine. On a smaller TV, like a 36", this really isn't a problem and in fact, I never even noticed it. But once you start going up in picture size, it amplifies all the flaws in the signal.

My recommendation would be to go witht he 1130 (it's awesome), and upgrade your cable service to HDTV if possible.

CharlesG

I purchased a 5060 in November and had a Directv DVR (non hd) feeding it thru S-video. I was disappointed in the PQ. I added Cablevision for the HD channels and was pleasantly surprised at the quality of all the non HD channels. Some of them can actually look almost as good as the HD ones. You will find that some of non digital channels( in LI, 2-63) can look slightly grainy. So far I would say I am satisfied in the overall picture that I have using Cablevision. I am waiting to see what Directv comes up with in the next several months in terms of HD programming to determine which service to continue as I now have both. Cable gave me a ridiculous price for one year to tempt me to switch over to them permanently.

George,

I had the same problem. The following settings worked for me:

Setup/Audio:
PCM Digital Output : Up to 48khz
Dolby Digital : Bitstream
DTS Digital Surround : Bitstream
Dynamic Range Comp: Off
Audio during Search : On
Speaker Settings
Speaker Type:Multi-Channel

HDMI:
HDMI RGB Range : Standard
HDMI Video Mode : On
HDMI Audio Output: Off

Give this a shot, it worked for me.

-Aaron

Mike P, D-Nice and Aaron(k99),

FYI...Guys I tried your suggested changes for the s77 which is HDMI connected to MR 1130 and it all worked perfectly!

Thank you all for taken the time to share your experience and advise.

George

The plasmas do a MUCH better job of handling analog than the microdisplay RPTVs in my opinion. My buddy has a JVC LCOS display and he was blown away when he came over and saw my Pioneer and Panasonic plasma pictures with analog SD. He said there was no comparison on analog material.

It's never going to look as good as the digital channels. But honestly, when I look at my ABC analog picture on my 36" tube, it sucks just as bad as it does on my Pioneer plasma. I would say the degradation in picture is largely due to size. If I was forced to guess, I'd say maybe a 5% worse picture on my plasma with an analog source.

But the digital SD channels look fabulous, much better than anything I've ever seen on my 36" old tube.

I am now 4 days into my 1130 & just blown away with the HD picture quality. I used D-Nice's settings as a starting point & tweaked from there.

I seem to recall reading on the board somewhere that each input can have it's own picture settings. I can find no mention of this in the manual. I have my cable box in input 1, direct connection to TV tuner in input 2 (for using PIP) & DVD player to input 3.

How can I tweak inputs 2 & 3 independently of the settings for input 1?

I am now 4 days into my 1130 & just blown away with the HD picture quality. I used D-Nice's settings as a starting point & tweaked from there.

I seem to recall reading on the board somewhere that each input can have it's own picture settings. I can find no mention of this in the manual. I have my cable box in input 1, direct connection to TV tuner in input 2 (for using PIP) & DVD player to input 3.

How can I tweak inputs 2 & 3 independently of the settings for input 1?

You have to select "user" in the picture settings menu on each input.

You have to select "user" in the picture settings menu on each input.

I am accessing the picture settings via the "home menu" button, but don't see a "user" option anywhere.

Do you see "AV Selection" in the picture menu? That is where you select "user"

Do you see "AV Selection" in the picture menu? That is where you select "user"

Perfect, thank you.

Thank you all for taken the time to share your experience and advise.

George

Glad you got it working, that always gets me nutz till I remember to set these options. ;)

Thought I'd put this out there to see what you think. My Pioneer DVD/LD player will generate a full blue screen when there is no disc in the player. Whenever this is the case, and I look at the 1130 screen, I can see a horizontal dark band that slowly scrolls from bottom to top. I suspect this is just a normal thing going on, I'm not concerned with it. It was so subtle, I could not take a decent photo of it to show you.

I bring this up because I was looking at Panasonic's White paper and they describe a technology built into their panels where by pixels will shift back and forth the image so it will distribute an image to prevent image retention. When I saw the dark band, I was wondering if Pioneer has something going on like that. I highly doubt this is the case. It tends to looks like the way you see a dark band on a CRT screen whenever it's been filmed and they don't match the FPS to the monitor's. If you get my meaning.

Thanks! Nelson

Thought I'd put this out there to see what you think. My Pioneer DVD/LD player will generate a full blue screen when there is no disc in the player. Whenever this is the case, and I look at the 1130 screen, I can see a horizontal dark band that slowly scrolls from bottom to top. I suspect this is just a normal thing going on, I'm not concerned with it. It was so subtle, I could not take a decent photo of it to show you.

I bring this up because I was looking at Panasonic's White paper and they describe a technology built into their panels where by pixels will shift back and forth the image so it will distribute an image to prevent image retention. When I saw the dark band, I was wondering if Pioneer has something going on like that. I highly doubt this is the case. It tends to looks like the way you see a dark band on a CRT screen whenever it's been filmed and they don't match the FPS to the monitor's. If you get my meaning.

Thanks! Nelson

You have what's called a ground loop. You need to check your electrical and cable lines to make sure they are grounded. There are addons that can take care of this issue. Try a google search.

Thanks D-Nice. I do want to make it clear that the scrolling band is so light, you wouldn't see it if you were casually looking at the screen. My description above may have made it sound like a really dark band. I know my electrical is grounded. But I'll check it never the less.

In my humble opinion, you might be disappointed in either option.

I am in southeast Wisconsin and have charter communications for cable (regular Digital Cable - Not HD. That comes tomorrow). I went from a normal 36" RCA TV to a 61" RCA Scenium DLP RPTV (which I would not recommend by the way). I also just added the 50" Pioneer 1130 to our Master Bedroom.

I didn't have a major issues with the PQ on the normal 36", but as soon as I moved up in size to the 61", the local analog channels looked like @%!$. I have this same issue on the 1130, although not as bad as the 61".

I beleive this issue is directly proportional to the size of the TV, not the brand or even it's quality. I don't know why, but the quality of local channels over cable (at least with Charter) is junk. Interestingly enough, non-local channels seem to be fine. On a smaller TV, like a 36", this really isn't a problem and in fact, I never even noticed it. But once you start going up in picture size, it amplifies all the flaws in the signal.

My recommendation would be to go witht he 1130 (it's awesome), and upgrade your cable service to HDTV if possible.
Ryan: Thanks for your reply. I will go with the 1130 --- with "eyes wide open" regarding the PQ with analog input to the 1130 (or really any large screen).
CharlesG

I have Cablevision in CT on a Sony WEGA 36 inch Trinitron. Excellent PQ on analog and digital channels.

I now want to purchase a 45 - 50 inch FLAT PANEL for wall mount in a new family room. Prime candidate is the Pioneer 1130/5060 (1280x768)--- or perhaps the new Sharp 45 inch LCD (1920x1080p) or Samsung 46 inch LCD (1366x768).

BUT --- Our prime viewing on the new flat panel will continue to be the analog channels via Cablevision. Our secondary viewing will be the digital and HD channels via Cablevision.

I am very concerned about the PQ that I will get when viewing the analog channels via Cablevision on the new flat panel. Analog channels are very important to us.

Note: I intuitively feel (guess) that the Pioneer plasmas are a "closer" to the analog signals than the LCD's --- hence the Pioneer for analog channel PQ. I also like the 50 inch size better.

I would appreciate any comments about this application.

Thank you
CharlesG
Jacksonian and gp56:
Many thanks for your reply comments to my above message. I will probably proceed with purchase of a 1130.
CharlesG

Guys... this is an update on the "image retention" conversation I had with a Pioneer tech last week. He fowarded my case the the Pioneer field tech guys... just spoke to them.

According to this guy, there is NO out of the ordinary problem with any of the 6th generation panels.... he gave me the standard "image retention is normal" BS. I asked him about the conversation I had with the other guy... how that guy said there is a voltage design problem... that there was a fix for the 43" but not the 50" (which, by the way, doesn't make a whole lot of sense)... his response, basically, was that the guy on the phone must have been smoking crack (not in those words).... he said if they send someone out all they would do is run a white screen for X amount of hours.

So, my friends, it seems we're back to square one with the whole image retention thing.

(Cool, I just figured out how you guys quote!)

Are you sure that person is seeing the panel make contrast/brightness adjustments, or was it the original source material doing that? When I read that description of the camera panning from a dark to light area, it reminded me of a Hi-Def image I saw yesterday on a Hi-Def OTA channel showing nature scenes between programing. The camera panned up along the front elevation of an old church. As it panned upwards to the sky, the church image got darker and I saw that as the exposure control of the camera shutting down the apeture as the light was becoming brighter. So as a result, the church would get darker as the camera got closer to the sun in the sky. I see that all the time on video cameras. I bet this is what that guy saw.

I've never heard of a TV that made auto contrast/brightness adjustments, except to maybe account for the lighting conditions in the room.

I also asked him about the light/contrast adjustment/glitch that I've noticed... he said he's noticed that was well... not only on 6th genertaion panels, but earlier ones too... he pointed out that it mostly happens after switching formats... for example, when going from 720p to 1080i, or any other format switch... I've noticed that to be true as well, and it usually only happens once shortly after the switch, so it's not really annoying... he says it's nothing to worry about... but then again, what else is he going to say.

Can anyone suggest a good universal remote control. Surely, with the many different devices hooked up with a home theatre system, it makes it compelling to have an all in one simple remote control, as opposed to juggling five remote controls.

I have the Pioneer 5060 with DVD, Cable Box and Receiver, plus one or two additional devices I occasionally use.

I read about the Harmony 880, and it looks good. But want to find out what others have done.

Thanks
BEN

Guys... this is an update on the "image retention" conversation I had with a Pioneer tech last week. He fowarded my case the the Pioneer field tech guys... just spoke to them.

According to this guy, there is NO out of the ordinary problem with any of the 6th generation panels.... he gave me the standard "image retention is normal" BS. I asked him about the conversation I had with the other guy... how that guy said there is a voltage design problem... that there was a fix for the 43" but not the 50" (which, by the way, doesn't make a whole lot of sense)... his response, basically, was that the guy on the phone must have been smoking crack (not in those words).... he said if they send someone out all they would do is run a white screen for X amount of hours.

So, my friends, it seems we're back to square one with the whole image retention thing.

Spoke to the guy again (he called me back by mistake) and I really pressed him on what the guy at the 800 number told me, ie, that a problem was found and that there is a solution... he kept saying, no, no... absolutely not. When I asked him if it was possible that the other guy may have known about something that he hadn't heard about yet, he said there was a slim chance... a very slim chance. He said that he would look into it and get back to me if he found something.

So... that's it... I wont hold my breath, but hey, you never know.

I'm contemplating a 5060, but the unit with the included speakers is too big for my entertainment unit. Has anyone successfully connected external speakers directly to the pioneer unit? Several folks have mentioned it should work, but the one person who posted actually trying could not get it to work.

I can, of course, use a separate AV receiver, but I was hoping to just hook up some speakers directly to the built in amp.

I'm contemplating a 5060, but the unit with the included speakers is too big for my entertainment unit. Has anyone successfully connected external speakers directly to the pioneer unit? Several folks have mentioned it should work, but the one person who posted actually trying could not get it to work.
worked for me. for the first week, i couldn't mount it in my entertainment unit, so i just hooked it up to a set of cambridge audio speakers i had.

I love my Home THeater Master MX-500 remote. It has a nice editable LCD screen and has some nice Macro Buttons and can learn directly from my other remotes. I think they make a version that also has RF capabililty and i may upgrade to that one someday to control lighting, etc. My wife can use the MX without any trouble thanks to the macros.

I also use a One For ALL remote that can be connected to my PC with a serial cable. I can then program it with many Discrete Codes for all my equipment. (Look on google for Discrete explanation if needed). You can dowload many IR commands from various websites. I then 'learn' these commands from the One FOr All remote over to the Home Theater remote. (i know this is a very roundabout way but it works great for me). Or you could just use the One for All remote as your primary remote.

I'm loving my 1130HD after a few weeks. HD shows and DVD movies are great. Analog cabletv and replaytv shows are much better than expected. The video controls are useful. The black frame looks great. Etc etc etc. Also works great as a monitor. Really cant think of anythiing i dont like except for fear of burn-in an these nitpicks:
-blue power light can be annoying
-VGA port is on front of the media rcvr for some reason
-the glossy bezel finish is scratchable
-when i switch to some inputs, i hear a buzzing through my speakers
-the MR fan is audible but mine is in another room so its no big deal
-i paid 400$ for the proprietary extension cable!!!

I also asked him about the light/contrast adjustment/glitch that I've noticed... he said he's noticed that was well... not only on 6th genertaion panels, but earlier ones too... he pointed out that it mostly happens after switching formats... for example, when going from 720p to 1080i, or any other format switch... I've noticed that to be true as well, and it usually only happens once shortly after the switch, so it's not really annoying... he says it's nothing to worry about... but then again, what else is he going to say.

Do you guys have Active DRE turned on? If you have an 1130, play with the active DRE settings and see if it affects what you are seeing. If you have a 5060, this adjustment is not available.

We know that DRE is turned on by default on the 5060, but do not know the level it is set to, and there is no way to adjust or turn it off.

Do you guys have Active DRE turned on? If you have an 1130, play with the active DRE settings and see if it affects what you are seeing. If you have a 5060, this adjustment is not available.

We know that DRE is turned on by default on the 5060, but do not know the level it is set to, and there is no way to adjust or turn it off.

I've got DRE set to high.... don't get me wrong, this is not a big deal. And as I mentioned earlier, I just started realizing that it happened after switching formats, which is something the Pioneer guy brought up on his own.

It's taken me a while to report in but here goes...

Received 1130 mid December and just can't stop watching it - absolutley love it.

Fits perfectly in my stand alone cabinet so I can close the doors to the system when I choose to. Was not able to attach the the speakers which I knew up front so all audio is through the HT speakers. At the same time I upgraded my receiver to a Rotel 1056 and added the Pioneer 59 AVI DVD player - had to save some bucks somewhere so skipped the urge for the 79 AVI.

Did a pretty good job installing everthing if I do say so myself - which is a feat for me. All connections are component. Also went with the Home Theater Master MX 800 universal remote with RF. Had to have a tech come set that up and while he was there he fine tuned the audio set up which rocks. Between the 1130, the 59 AVI, the sound system and the universal remote (which is awesome) I just can't believe how much enjoyment the family is getting out of this system.

I have Comcast DCT 3412 HD/DVR box. So far I'm pleased with it for the most part. HD is awesome, Digital Channels are very good, analog channels are barely acceptable. Some channels have the occational lip sync issues - the only channel that consistantly has the line across the top of the picture that looks like it's not getting the full feed is Fox. This happens with their HD signal too. I've come to realize that PQ is 80% the source and 15% your settings and the other 5% is all in your head.

The 59 AVI player is also awesome - Gladiator, LOTR's, Star Wars series are just incredible on this screen.

Am still using the D-Nice break in settings - thank you very much! Have had no image retention issues - but am still a tad nervous and extra careful.

Have had no sound issues from the Media center at all - in fact my Comcast box makes more noise if I get up close and listen for it.

Lastly had some friends over for New Years - watched an HD Football game and a Who concert on DVD - they must have said five times during the night how incredible the picture was - never seen anything like it.

Time to go home - my son and I are on Band of Brothers part 5 tonight.

With that - I thank you all for your tremendous insights, feedback and knowledge. The 1130 comes HIGHLY recomended in my book.

Keep up the great comments - I enjoy reading them!

p.s. I like the blue lights - they are kind of cool.

So it looks like my 4360 should show up tomorrow. Right now I've got it set up so that everything goes into my Denon 3806 and out one HDMI cable which will feed into the MR. I've currently got an Oppo 971 that I'm going to demo on the display. Any other sub $300 DVD players that people would recommend and why? I'll probably also check out the Sony NS70 and the Panasonic S77. Any other brands to check out?

Also, can anyone recommend any good DVD scenes to check out if I'm getting any macroblocking with the panel/DVD player combination?

Thanks a ton! I'm looking forward to finally getting my new toy.

B

Denon 1920. No MB in my case (with a 5050) and killer hi-def audio (SACD/DVD-Audio). Great picture, too!

I use only Harmony's now, an 880 for the theater, and I have a pretty complicated setup with 2 displays. I'll give you my MX-500 because it's a fossil in my book. From programming to looks to funtionality, I'll take a Harmony any day over an MX. I know a lot of hard core guys like the MX because you can program every obscure function, but you can do the same thing with a Harmony, but easier. Just my opinion.

Can anyone suggest a good universal remote control. Surely, with the many different devices hooked up with a home theatre system, it makes it compelling to have an all in one simple remote control, as opposed to juggling five remote controls.

I have the Pioneer 5060 with DVD, Cable Box and Receiver, plus one or two additional devices I occasionally use.

I read about the Harmony 880, and it looks good. But want to find out what others have done.

Thanks
BEN

It's taken me a while to report in but here goes...

Received 1130 mid December and just can't stop watching it - absolutley love it.

Fits perfectly in my stand alone cabinet so I can close the doors to the system when I choose to. Was not able to attach the the speakers which I knew up front so all audio is through the HT speakers. At the same time I upgraded my receiver to a Rotel 1056 and added the Pioneer 59 AVI DVD player - had to save some bucks somewhere so skipped the urge for the 79 AVI.

Did a pretty good job installing everthing if I do say so myself - which is a feat for me. All connections are component. Also went with the Home Theater Master MX 800 universal remote with RF. Had to have a tech come set that up and while he was there he fine tuned the audio set up which rocks. Between the 1130, the 59 AVI, the sound system and the universal remote (which is awesome) I just can't believe how much enjoyment the family is getting out of this system.

I have Comcast DCT 3412 HD/DVR box. So far I'm pleased with it for the most part. HD is awesome, Digital Channels are very good, analog channels are barely acceptable. Some channels have the occational lip sync issues - the only channel that consistantly has the line across the top of the picture that looks like it's not getting the full feed is Fox. This happens with their HD signal too. I've come to realize that PQ is 80% the source and 15% your settings and the other 5% is all in your head.

The 59 AVI player is also awesome - Gladiator, LOTR's, Star Wars series are just incredible on this screen.

Am still using the D-Nice break in settings - thank you very much! Have had no image retention issues - but am still a tad nervous and extra careful.

Have had no sound issues from the Media center at all - in fact my Comcast box makes more noise if I get up close and listen for it.

Lastly had some friends over for New Years - watched an HD Football game and a Who concert on DVD - they must have said five times during the night how incredible the picture was - never seen anything like it.

Time to go home - my son and I are on Band of Brothers part 5 tonight.

With that - I thank you all for your tremendous insights, feedback and knowledge. The 1130 comes HIGHLY recomended in my book.

Keep up the great comments - I enjoy reading them!

p.s. I like the blue lights - they are kind of cool.

Great Review! Congratulations and keep enjoying your set! I'm saving for a 79avi myself...

Oppo 971H and Pio 5060 setup.

I have the unit connected via dvi-hdmi and in the first 100 hrs of viewing. I have followed D-Nice settings for the Pio using the user menu for the breaking period.

Now I know from previous posts that D-Nice does not care very much for the Oppo but since you have the unit I hope you can give me your settings also for both units if you have the time. I appreciate very much your comments.

I have watched a few movies ie Aliens,LOTR RTK using 480P (I tried 720p or 1080i but not as ood imo)and leaving Oppo setting as default and pio settings as recommended for break in and the image is pretty good but I need to use zoom to remove the bars. Not sure if this is normal and wondering if im losing in image quality ??

Just want to get some ideas on setup for both units for reference.

Thanks

Pete

Oppo 971H and Pio 5060 setup.
I have watched a few movies ie Aliens,LOTR RTK using 480P (I tried 720p or 1080i but not as ood imo)and leaving Oppo setting as default and pio settings as recommended for break in and the image is pretty good but I need to use zoom to remove the bars. Not sure if this is normal and wondering if im losing in image quality ??

make sure you've set your tv to "widescreen" (or whatever the equivalent is) in the oppo's settings. that said, i think that LOTR was 2.35:1, for which the bars would be normal. dunno about aliens, but the imdb lists it as 1.85:1, which would have *teensy* bars. "zooming" those, if that's the case, would lead to distorted images.

Now I know from previous posts that D-Nice does not care very much for the Oppo but since you have the unit I hope you can give me your settings also for both units if you have the time. I appreciate very much your comments.


I could, but it would have to wait until Friday or so.

Spinee will try the widescreen setting on the Oppo but dont want any black bars on the screen so I can avoid possible burn in. How about your video settings on the oppo and Pio ? I have about 25hrs of viewing on the screen but want to get ideas when I get over 100hrs.

D-Nice I would very appreciate it and will wait on your results.

Thanks again

Spinee will try the widescreen setting on the Oppo but dont want any black bars on the screen so I can avoid possible burn in. How about your video settings on the oppo and Pio ? I have about 25hrs of viewing on the screen but want to get ideas when I get over 100hrs.
sorry, my bad: i forgot that "zoom" is a proportional zoom, so that's probably your best bet. you'll lose a little on the sides, but it should get rid of those bars.

as for the "TV Display" settings on the oppo, set it to "WIDE". but i suspect that the black bars on LOTR and possibly Aliens are supposed to be there..."zoom" will probably get rid of it for the break-in period.

Yep I just tried it and zoom is the only way to get rid of all bars. Cinema mode gets almost no bars at the bottom and larger at the top. Oppo is set to wide and using DVI-HDMI at 480p.

In another topic to get service menu with 5060 is it the same procedure as the elite. ie

with Plasma off
Press display on the remote do not hold
wait for 3 secs
Pres left,up,left right then power on the remote
then plasma turns on and you see information on screen.

I tried it and got nothing and display turned on. Now im affraid to try again :))

Pete

Howdy Pioneer gurus!

I've been reading your posts for the last two months and have narrowed my choices down to Pioneer's 5060 and 1130 or the Panasonic TH50PX500U. I prefer the Pioneer's due to the fact they have a separate AVS box, compact size and wonderful piano black case. Some things that bother me are build quality (electrical issue) and technical support (some have said they received poor service). I am not a total videophile, which makes me believe the 5060 would be a better choice. Do y'all have any recommendations?

Thanks!
Glenn
Dallas, TX

P.S. Thank you all for the excellent posts, it really helped me narrow down my choices!

Howdy Pioneer gurus!

I've been reading your posts for the last two months and have narrowed my choices down to Pioneer's 5060 and 1130 or the Panasonic TH50PX500U. I prefer the Pioneer's due to the fact they have a separate AVS box, compact size and wonderful piano black case. Some things that bother me are build quality (electrical issue) and technical support (some have said they received poor service). I am not a total videophile, which makes me believe the 5060 would be a better choice. Do y'all have any recommendations?

Thanks!
Glenn
Dallas, TX

P.S. Thank you all for the excellent posts, it really helped me narrow down my choices!

The build quality is top notch. Pioneer has some voltage problems with a batch of panels, but that was corrected. Tech support....well.....I haven't seen any company's tech support that impressed me.

Hi, all!

I've had my 1130HD for about three weeks now, so I think I've spent enough time with it to post a relatively objective review.

I originally bought a Philips 50PF9630A. Which was a total disaster. The details of it can be read here. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6697012&&#post6697012)


I was also interested in the Panasonic 50" as well as the Hitachi 55", but I bought the Pioneer for the following reasons:

(1) I was concerned about the reports of "floating blacks" on the Panasonic and bad blacks on the Hitachi (c'mon, 0.12 fl [as reported by The Perfect Vision]--not nearly good enough in this day and age).

(2) Two year warranty.

(3) I like the media receiver concept.

(4) Recent reviews in Home Theater magazine which showed the Pioneer 5060HD to have a better grayscale than the Panasonic TH-42PX500U (this was very important to me because of the false contouring issues I had with the Philips).

(5) Nobody in my area had the Panasonics in stock, and, since I was afraid I was going to have to return the set like I did my Philips, I wanted to buy from a B&M store.

Oh, and a final important reason as to why I went with the Pioneer Elite is because I actually watched it. Wow. I have never seen a plasma look so good out of the box. I've done quick calibration using Avia on quite a few sets in stores during my search, and I found the 1130HD to be, hands down, the easiest to get looking good. Just setting it to the Pure setting had contrast, brightness, color saturation, tint, and sharpness all at almost perfect levels.

So, like I said, I went with the Pioneer.

What are my thoughts thus far? Well, the main one is "I *love* this set!!!". :)

"Aliens of the Deep", which looked so utterly bad on the Philips, was jaw-droppingly good on the Pioneer. There were no false contouring issues during the deep sea exploration scenes and the shadow detail was fantastic.

The "Dracula" Superbit which also looked appalling on the Philips again looked superb on this set. All of the "clayface" that plagued the Philips was gone and scenes which, on the Philips, appeared to show the characters surrounded by nothing but utter blackness were revealed on the Pioneer to contain a wealth of background detail.

I also have watched the Lord of the Rings extended versions on the Pioneer and was amazed. I watched them in Zoom mode (they are filmed in 2.40:1, I believe) in order to avoid black bars during the break in period. I was very impressed with how this looked. I thought that I would see a lot more artifacts but this was not the case. In fact, I may never watch a 2.40:1 movie in Full mode again!

Oh, and have I mentioned how great the colors on this set are? Particularly the greens. There is a certain scene in "Pirates of Caribbean" where Jack Sparrow is holding a green apple. On other plasmas I've tried the apple tends to have an overly vibrant, lime-green cast to it. On the Pioneer, though, the apple looked like, well, an apple! Also, while watching the second season of "Millennium" on DVD, there are a lot of scenes filmed in the wilderness of British Columbia. The lush, dark green of the forest in these scenes looked extremely life-like on the Pioneer, while still having a vividness to it that made me gasp in appreciation.

I have also watched quite a bit of 4:3 content on my Pioneer, mostly anime like Card Captor Sakura and All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku. On the Philips, as well as my old Panasonic CRT, I was never happy with any of the stretch modes for 4:3 material. I am super impressed with the Cinema mode on the Pioneer, though--it seriously makes 4:3 shows look like they were originally filmed in 16:9, with no weird distortions at the edges.

Is everything perfect? Well, I'd like to say "yes", but nothing is ever perfect, right?

For one thing, I really don't like the black bezel. Yes, it's classy, but I think it sometimes makes the black levels look worse then they actually are. I have a small LCD that I watch while walking on my treadmill. It has a silver bezel. I have never thought that the black levels on this were poor. However, sometimes while watching the Pioneer, I find myself comparing the black level in the picture to the absolute black of the bezel and I can see a big difference between them. When I'm not making this direct comparison, though, I think that the black levels look fantastic.

Another minor annoyance is the fact that the fan on the media receiver constantly runs. I can't usually hear it while actually watching the set but if I am sitting on the couch and reading a book, then I can definitely hear it. This, of course, I easily solved by unplugging my power strip when I'm not using the set (which probably has the added benefit of reducing the risk of a lightning strike frying my expensive TV).

Something else that somewhat irritates me is that the set always resets to Wide mode when its turned off. If I'm watching a DVD and someone calls, or something, and I pause what I'm watching, I always turn the TV off (paranoid about burn in, you know). So, if I'm watching the DVD in Cinema or Zoom, after I turn the TV back on, I need to scroll through all of the various zoom modes until I find the one I was using. It would even be considerably more livable if there was a way to directly access specific zoom modes instead of scrolling through them (maybe there is and I just missed it?).

One final thing that is a slight disappointment is that the set won't accept its native resolution via HDMI and doesn't have a DVI port. So, I can't send the set its native resolution from an external scaler or from my PC. It's certainly not a deal breaker but, on a TV this expensive, you would think that they could have included it, since people willing to drop this much cash on a TV are probably the same folks who would seriously consider buying an external scaler.

That's pretty much it for my complaints, though. As I said at the beginning, I love, love, love this set!

Here are the settings I am currently using for DVD (a Sony DVPNS70H):

AV Selection: Pure
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -6
Pure Cinema: Off
Color Temp: Mid
CTI: Off
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Black Level: Off
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2

My settings are very different from what a lot of people are using, I think. For one thing, I don't really like Dynamic Contrast. I find that it really brings out film grain. It also seems to give dark scenes an odd lighting that makes them look less "film like".

The DNR and MPEG NR both do their job okay, but I find that they tend to reduce detail, so I leave them off. The extra noise bothers me far less than the loss of detail (although, the noise would bother me a lot more if I had the Dynamic Contrast turned on).

Regarding Black Level, does this actually do anything? I've turned this on and off with various settings and I swear that I can't see any difference. Does anyone know a good test for demonstrating what this feature does?

Finally, I noticed an odd thing about the AV Selection settings. I thought that if I took the User setting and changed all the values to match my Pure settings they would look the same. Interestingly, they don't. When I was using User instead of Pure, the Pioneer failed the "apple test" from "Pirate of the Caribbean". The apple suddenly took on the overly vivid hue that I've seen on other plasmas. Has anyone else noticed this about the User setting?

Well, so that's my (overly long) thoughts on my Pioneer 1130HD. I hope that you enjoyed them!

This post has nothing at all to do with the thread.....


Hook em Horns

(edit: Now it does ;)


Congrats on the new set, great review, keep us updated on your experience.)

Well, y'all have got me convinced on the Pioneers. Now the question is, is a 1130 worth the extra eight hundred bucks? I was made an offer by a reseller (I know I can't mention prices, nor store names), but if any of y'all PM me with places and prices i'd be most appreciative.

Thanks!
G

Something else that somewhat irritates me is that the set always resets to Wide mode when its turned off. If I'm watching a DVD and someone calls, or something, and I pause what I'm watching, I always turn the TV off (paranoid about burn in, you know). So, if I'm watching the DVD in Cinema or Zoom, after I turn the TV back on, I need to scroll through all of the various zoom modes until I find the one I was using. It would even be considerably more livable if there was a way to directly access specific zoom modes instead of scrolling through them (maybe there is and I just missed it?).

Make sure auto format is off in the options menu

Well, y'all have got me convinced on the Pioneers. Now the question is, is a 1130 worth the extra eight hundred bucks? I was made an offer by a reseller (I know I can't mention prices, nor store names), but if any of y'all PM me with places and prices i'd be most appreciative.

Thanks!
G

I have the same question re 43-inch PRO vs. PDP models. From what I can tell, the 43-inch PRO model has the same panel/hardware (same picture specs) but some additional fine-tuning controls for the picture. That sounds nice but doesn't seem to me to be worth an extra $600 or so, but what do you all think?

I have the same question re 43-inch PRO vs. PDP models. From what I can tell, the 43-inch PRO model has the same panel/hardware (same picture specs) but some additional fine-tuning controls for the picture. That sounds nice but doesn't seem to me to be worth an extra $600 or so, but what do you all think?

If only you could see the difference in the extra picture controls tweaks compared to the warm/mid/high color temps....you would understand why its worth it.

D-Nice, from what i understand, i have to go into the SM to check the no. of hrs used for the panel. the method mentioned a few pages back doesnt seem to work on my 930HD. Any thoughts on if there is a diff. way to access the SM or wat i cud be doing wrong?

With the recent discussions here about Oppo and Denon players, this might be of interest.

Exciting or not exciting news that some companies like Toshiba and Pioneer are announcing HD and BD DVD players as early as March and summer. While I had planned to get a new player to take advantage of the new 1130, I just might wait a bit longer. An Elite Pio DVD player was announced and it is pricy! Other brands are in the sub $1K range.

D-Nice, from what i understand, i have to go into the SM to check the no. of hrs used for the panel. the method mentioned a few pages back doesnt seem to work on my 930HD. Any thoughts on if there is a diff. way to access the SM or wat i cud be doing wrong?

Mna... that is the way in... just be sure you wait a full three seconds after hitting display.... that's usually the step that trips people up.

Ihamp do you have the elite. I tried with my 5060 once and when screen turned on got no info on screen. Just tried once mind you but affraid I might screw up the MR or remote.

Pete

Procedures I used.

with Plasma off
Press display on the remote do not hold
wait for 3 secs
Press left,up,left, right then power on the remote
then plasma turns on and you see information on screen.

Ihamp do you have the elite. I tried with my 5060 once and when screen turned on got no info on screen. Just tried once mind you but affraid I might screw up the MR or remote.

Pete

Procedures I used.

with Plasma off
Press display on the remote do not hold
wait for 3 secs
Press left,up,left, right then power on the remote
then plasma turns on and you see information on screen.

Yes, I have an Elite, but it doesn't matter. That is the code... try again... I wouldn't worry about messing up anything by trying to enter the SM... I WOULD, however, be very careful once you get in there.

Yes, I have an Elite, but it doesn't matter. That is the code... try again... I wouldn't worry about messing up anything by trying to enter the SM... I WOULD, however, be very careful once you get in there.

Agreed.

And that sequence has to flow like water. When I first starting entering the SM, it couldn't get the sequence to work until the 5th or 6th try.

Ok will give it a shot. All I want is to check usage hours. BTW is there anyway to remove the top right corner blue box when you change inputs which lasts for about 2 secs or so. I have noticed when I go to input 2 which has nothing in it and shows a black screen, a faint very faint image retention of that box. When the screen displays an image I do not see anything but I do see it when the screen is dark. I have since the very first day used D-Nice breaking setting.

Thanks

Pete

D-nice:

I sent you a PM message.

Thanks!
Glenn

D-nice:

I sent you a PM message.

Thanks!
Glenn


You have mail.

I must be doing something wrong !!!

With Plasma OFF using input 1

I press DISPLAY without holding it and wait 3 seconds (one steamboat,two steamboat, three steamboat :))

then I press LEFT Arrow, UP arrow,LEFT arrow, RIGHT arrow and POWER on remote all in sequence.

Plasma turns on without information on display. Tried it 5 times no results.

In your post you stated: Another minor annoyance is the fact that the fan on the media receiver constantly runs. I can't usually hear it while actually watching the set but if I am sitting on the couch and reading a book, then I can definitely hear it. This, of course, I easily solved by unplugging my power strip when I'm not using the set (which probably has the added benefit of reducing the risk of a lightning strike frying my expensive TV).

Thanks for your post. I have had my 1130HD for a few weeks now, and am also elated with the PQ. I have not, however, experienced the fan noise that you have. I have my display mounted on top of a buffet cabinet, which really works out well for me, as it is about 60" wide and just about the perfect height. It also has plenty of room below. I removed the three drawers that were in the center of the buffet, and my receiver is inside the top one of these openings, so it is pretty much enclosed, and the 2 openings below it are filled with a DVD player and my Pureav UPS. Although the receiver meets the minimum recommended side and top clearances, I was concerned about possible heat problems, and the fan running continuously, but it doesn't - and the receiver is quite cool. Perhaps your unit has some blockage or is defective.

Good luck.

I must be doing something wrong !!!

With Plasma OFF using input 1

I press DISPLAY without holding it and wait 3 seconds (one steamboat,two steamboat, three steamboat :))

then I press LEFT Arrow, UP arrow,LEFT arrow, RIGHT arrow and POWER on remote all in sequence.

Plasma turns on without information on display. Tried it 5 times no results.


Try waiting about 5 seconds and do the left, up, etc faster.

With Plasma OFF using input 1


You're not pressing input 1 first, are you? That would probably account for your problems.... just leave the input on whatever you normally keep it at.

Another minor annoyance is the fact that the fan on the media receiver constantly runs. I can't usually hear it while actually watching the set but if I am sitting on the couch and reading a book, then I can definitely hear it. This, of course, I easily solved by unplugging my power strip when I'm not using the set (which probably has the added benefit of reducing the risk of a lightning strike frying my expensive TV).

I agree... the fan is an annoyance for me too (I've had a 930 since just before the holidays). It seems like the fan is actually louder when the display is turned off. It seems to me that when its running at the lower speed setting it hits a resonance frequency of the media box. I don't hear it all when the TV is on. I've yet to purchase a cabinet to put all my A/V equipment in (all sitting on a small table now), so I'm hoping the furniture will dampen the sound a bit. I've followed this post and I've yet to see anyone resolve the fan noise, except to return the media box for another one. My B&M didn't have any others on hand, so I'm sure I'd have to return the whole TV and hope for the best that the next one would be better...

One final thing that is a slight disappointment is that the set won't accept its native resolution via HDMI and doesn't have a DVI port. So, I can't send the set its native resolution from an external scaler or from my PC. It's certainly not a deal breaker but, on a TV this expensive, you would think that they could have included it, since people willing to drop this much cash on a TV are probably the same folks who would seriously consider buying an external scaler.

This is a hot topic for me!!! I agree wholeheartedly... I have my 930 connected to my HTPC via HDMI running at 1080i... Picture quality is good, but I'm wondering whether it could be improved by sending it native resolution. Problem is, the only way you can do this on these displays is via analog VGA... Has anyone compared the PQ between HDMI and VGA? If so, what have you found?

Oh... and why did Pioneer put the VGA input on the FRONT of the media box ONLY?!?

You're not pressing input 1 first, are you? That would probably account for your problems.... just leave the input on whatever you normally keep it at.

No and I just tried it again and was succesful to get the information page. It was probably the 3 secs delay I tried it with 5 secs and it worked.

but now I have a problem how do I get the panel hours usage ? I scrolled down using the down arrow to get the different menus and got total panel usage 380 hrs or so which is impossible. I have read from D-Nice post that you need to get to panel fact. Then I tried using the mute from the start and got the Panel fact page but without info on the usage hours. I saw a (+) sign at the bottom but wasnt sure where to go next so I pressed power to exit.

Maybe a step by step would do me alot of good.

Thanks in advance

Pete

Any thoughts on the 4360 vs 5060? Is the extra 7" worth it?

Any thoughts on the 4360 vs 5060? Is the extra 7" worth it?


That's really for you to choose. If your space can handle 50", why would you get less?

No and I just tried it again and was succesful to get the information page. It was probably the 3 secs delay I tried it with 5 secs and it worked.

but now I have a problem how do I get the panel hours usage ? I scrolled down using the down arrow to get the different menus and got total panel usage 380 hrs or so which is impossible. I have read from D-Nice post that you need to get to panel fact. Then I tried using the mute from the start and got the Panel fact page but without info on the usage hours. I saw a (+) sign at the bottom but wasnt sure where to go next so I pressed power to exit.

Maybe a step by step would do me alot of good.

Thanks in advance

Pete

ok... this is from memory, but I think it works like this: go to Panel fact. and hit enter.. then arrow down, I think, once... towards the bottom of the page you'll see something like "hr--meter"... or "hr something or other".... That's what you're looking for.

ok... this is from memory, but I think it works like this: go to Panel fact. and hit enter.. then arrow down, I think, once... towards the bottom of the page you'll see something like "hr--meter"... or "hr something or other".... That's what you're looking for.


Yeah Baby !!! Excellent memory.

Thanks alot Im up to 71 hrs !!!

That's really for you to choose. If your space can handle 50", why would you get less?

The space will fit the 50", but there is only 7' between the screen and the seating area. I was advised that a good 10' would be prudent in using a 50" screen.

The space will fit the 50", but there is only 7' between the screen and the seating area. I was advised that a good 10' would be prudent in using a 50" screen.

Either would work. Getting a 50" would give you a more immersive effect but the 43" will do very well also.

slightly ot:
I have been using a replaytv for many years and cant imagine watching TV without it. I use the component cable from the replay to the tv and record from a cablevision 4500hd. the picture is really very good on the new pio but i am thinking of getting the cablevision 8300hd-dvr to replace it.
does anyone have some tips or advice on what to expect? will it basically work the same and let me record primetime HD content and then watch them in hd (skipping commercials of course)? Does it have comparable learning ability for fav shows?
can i use both the replay and hd-dvr? although i guess the hd-dvr can record and watch HD tv at same time so i wouldnt need to. can you then record a HD show from the DVR to a pc or HD recorder?
By the way, i am watching Batman (4:3) on a hd station and am using the WIDE mode to fill the screen and standard settings. The picture is simply stunning!!! love the pio 1130.
Also, for anyone really annoyed by the fan on the mr, you might want to get the extension cable for the mr. i got a 25' one from keydigital and it let me put the mr (and all the other av gear) in another room so i cant hear (or see) anything but the tv and speakers.
-sean

I am some what confused form some earlier posts. If I hook up my two sources (SAT and DVD) to the media box with HDMI, can I then use the audio out to my reciever and still get 5.1 Dolby to the reciever. If so do I have the option of digital audio and optical. Please excuse the ignorance my 5060 has been shipped but will not arrive until next week and I am trying to get ready. Connecting thi way would help as I have a new H-20 HD direct TV box and audio out options are HDMI or optical and when I use optical to my reciever I get popping sounds everytime i change channel when the signal is temp lost.

Hello newbie here. I just purchased the 5060 and read of the breakin period about 100 hrs. Now my question, are the settings the same for 5060 as the elite 1130. Also if someone with settings for the 5060 could post them for me. thank you

Well, it took a little longer to get started on my flush-mounting the plasma, but I'm headed in the right direction. Here is a link to my pictures showing a little bit of the progress (http://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery&cmd=user&user=13465&op=view_album&album=18175)

In the picture with the tv in place, the drywall is not finished. I wanted to make sure of the fit prior to finishing. :)

Today at Best Buy, salesperson explained why 5061 price is so much higher than 5060, saying this model is actually between the 5060 & the 1130, using some of the electronics of the 1130. They were selling it for the full MSRP of $6000 - more than most pay for the 1130. I'm guessing he was wrong. Can anyone clarify? Thanks!

Make sure auto format is off in the options menu

Thanks, mate, that fixed it!

The space will fit the 50", but there is only 7' between the screen and the seating area. I was advised that a good 10' would be prudent in using a 50" screen.

I watch my 50" set from about 7-8 ft away, so I think you'd be fine with the 50".

Besides, the 50" has higher resolution than the 43"--the smaller set can't display all of the pixels in a 720P image while the 50" can.

Today at Best Buy, salesperson explained why 5061 price is so much higher than 5060, saying this model is actually between the 5060 & the 1130, using some of the electronics of the 1130. They were selling it for the full MSRP of $6000 - more than most pay for the 1130. I'm guessing he was wrong. Can anyone clarify? Thanks!
He's wrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrongwrong!

The sneaky reason why Best Buy's version of the 5060 is called 5061 is so they can get out of price matching.

"Oh, you found a 5060 for $500 less at a different store? Well, that's a different model, so we won't honor that price."

Today at Best Buy, salesperson explained why 5061 price is so much higher than 5060, saying this model is actually between the 5060 & the 1130, using some of the electronics of the 1130. They were selling it for the full MSRP of $6000 - more than most pay for the 1130. I'm guessing he was wrong. Can anyone clarify? Thanks!
Hello again. :)

I believe the only difference between the 5060 & 5061 is that one is sold with the wall-mount and exclusively packaged for BB. Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Pioneer is or is in the process of phasing out some of their offerings.

Never thought of the price matching angle... very likely true.

Look for more news @ CES.

For now here is a thread that gives you a taste of the 1080p 50"....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6299687

Well, D-Nice.. CES here and almost gone, and Nothing from Pioneer for 6th gen 60"+? In another post, I stated that Pio emailed a reply to me stating August timeframe for 1410HD replacement. that's awefully far away.

I looked at the 1410 again, today, and it really doesn't look all that bad. with proper adjustments, the blacks can be blacker, but the set looked darn good.

I think people are more impressed with the 1130 because it is only 50". the smaller the screen, the more compact the pic looks, giving it an edge in PQ. would this not be an accurate assessment?

I also looked at the Fujitsu's, and the 55" looked awesome, but is higher price than I can get the 1410 61", by alot!

so, what's the skinny here guys on me getting the 1410 now?

Now I know from previous posts that D-Nice does not care very much for the Oppo but since you have the unit I hope you can give me your settings also for both units if you have the time. I appreciate very much your comments.

As promised, here are your Oppo 971H settings thru a DVI to HDMI connection.

Pioneer 930/1130 Settings

Main Menu:
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -2
Color: 0 (DVE says +6 but my eyes say 0)
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: off

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -3
G High: -5
B High: -1
R Low: -5
G Low: -7
B Low: -5
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: +1
G: -2
C: -1
B: -1
M: +2

NR:
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Oppo 971H Settings

DVI Output: Output 720p

Video Setup Menu:
Sharpness: Off
Brightness: 0
Contrast: -2
Saturation: 0
True Life: Off
CCS: off
Noise Reduction: Off


Make sure on your Pioneer that you go into the options menu....position.... and change the vertical alignment to -3.

I watch my 50" set from about 7-8 ft away, so I think you'd be fine with the 50".

Besides, the 50" has higher resolution than the 43"--the smaller set can't display all of the pixels in a 720P image while the 50" can.

Thanks Robonaut...I was thinking about my situation and most likely i'll be moving into a condo in 4 to 5 mos. Should have a larger living space suited to the 50" screen, so i'm going to change my order on Monday to the 50". Thanks y'all for all the info and great conversation. You make owning a plasma much easier (atleast for us unknowledgable folks....LOL!).

Glenn

I think people are more impressed with the 1130 because it is only 50". the smaller the screen, the more compact the pic looks, giving it an edge in PQ. would this not be an accurate assessment?

The glass and electronics in the 930/1130 are totally different than the 1410. The color saturation of the 1410 is very comparable to the 1130 but thats about it.

At this point, I think you would be completely happy with the 1410.

I'm going to wait until this fall before I purchase anything in the 60"+ size. I currently have my eyes locked on a commercial version of the Panasonic 65" 1080p. Now if Pioneer drops a 61" with 6G tech and it has at least 2 HDMI ports, I will go that route. A 61" with a MR would be heaven.

The glass and electronics in the 930/1130 are totally different than the 1410. The color saturation of the 1410 is very comparable to the 1130 but thats about it.

At this point, I think you would be completely happy with the 1410.

I'm going to wait until this fall before I purchase anything in the 60"+ size. I currently have my eyes locked on a commercial version of the Panasonic 65" 1080p. Now if Pioneer drops a 61" with 6G tech and it has at least 2 HDMI ports, I will go that route. A 61" with a MR would be heaven.

Ya know, money becomes a bit of an issue, as well. keep in mind, I am getting what I thnk is a sick deal on the 1410 ($6k)... when they into a new model, it will certainly be at or close to msrp for a few month, so realistically, I can be looking at another year before getting a deal on one.

My biggest dilemma is the PQ. one HDMI is ok, as I can run whatever I need through my new 74TXVi. if the PQ is great, then that'll work for me. if the 1130 is awesome, and this is great, that's fine. I know it is different glass.

I think we are looking at hanging this on the wall now, maybe with a picture frame surround, a low long video table under it, and possibly some floating shelves around the wall. this might make the space warmer, replacing a gorgeous large Cherry custom AV unit.

we'll see.

Advice for me before a trip to Sound Advice: Torn between Pioneer Elite PRO-920HD 43" Plasma TV just over $3,000 or is worth the extra $1k for the 930HD. This will be for a den and not the main home theatre. Not interested in any gaming, pc hookups just HDTV and dvd's (I also bought the OPPO DVD player) Possibility of adding a home theatre little by little but at this point I will leave the Pioneer speakers to carry the audio load

I think we are looking at hanging this on the wall now, maybe with a picture frame surround, a low long video table under it, and possibly some floating shelves around the wall. this might make the space warmer, replacing a gorgeous large Cherry custom AV unit.

we'll see.
If you build a surround for the set, be sure to leave some openings at the top for heat dissipation.

Advice for me before a trip to Sound Advice: Torn between Pioneer Elite PRO-920HD 43" Plasma TV just over $3,000 or is worth the extra $1k for the 930HD. This will be for a den and not the main home theatre. Not interested in any gaming, pc hookups just HDTV and dvd's (I also bought the OPPO DVD player) Possibility of adding a home theatre little by little but at this point I will leave the Pioneer speakers to carry the audio load

If you prefer better blacks, go for the 930. otherwise the 920 is a great panel.

Thanks! I did spring for the 930 with a KEF KIT100 as well (will order that separately). The display was gorgeous at Sound Advice but I was able to look at it with the knowledge acquired from this forum for the last few weeks. We are also looking for a 55" for the media/workout room but probably a less expensive Hitachi 55".

Thanks! I did spring for the 930 with a KEF KIT100 as well (will order that separately). The display was gorgeous at Sound Advice but I was able to look at it with the knowledge acquired from this forum for the last few weeks. We are also looking for a 55" for the media/workout room but probably a less expensive Hitachi 55".

Congrats on your purchase. If you are using a SA 8300 cable box, here are some settings to start you off....

Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -2
G High: -4
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -2
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -4
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Also make sure you go into the options menu and turn the power save mode to save2.

As promised, here are your Oppo 971H settings thru a DVI to HDMI connection.

Pioneer 930/1130 Settings

Main Menu:
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -2
Color: 0 (DVE says +6 but my eyes say 0)
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: off

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -3
G High: -5
B High: -1
R Low: -5
G Low: -7
B Low: -5
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: +1
G: -2
C: -1
B: -1
M: +2

NR:
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Oppo 971H Settings

DVI Output: Output 720p

Video Setup Menu:
Sharpness: Off
Brightness: 0
Contrast: -2
Saturation: 0
True Life: Off
CCS: off
Noise Reduction: Off


Make sure on your Pioneer that you go into the options menu....position.... and change the vertical alignment to -3.


D-Nice Thanks very much. I am up to 90hrs on my Plasma when would you recommend I start using those settings.

Thanks again you are a great source of help.

Pete

If you build a surround for the set, be sure to leave some openings at the top for heat dissipation.

thanks for the heads up! anyone have have any pic's of this TV or another Pioneer plasma on a wall with higher end furniture around it to give us some ideas?

thanks.

D-Nice Thanks very much. I am up to 90hrs on my Plasma when would you recommend I start using those settings.

Thanks again you are a great source of help.

Pete

You can use them immediately.

I have some questions about my new PDP-436

1. When watching sat TV, there will be a picture blink all the time. Some time picture blink very fast some time it blink slow enough to see that this may be a noise. I'm not sure that this is because of high compress signal and noise? Has anyone face this problem when watch SD SAT TV?

2. When watch DVD, some time in the dark scene, the picture change like when we change the contrast. It is not happen all the time, but for the scene that this happen it will be there. If I repeat that scene, the change in contrast (or blightness?) will occur.

Is this is a normal? Please kindly advice.

Thanks,
Pal

2. When watch DVD, some time in the dark scene, the picture change like when we change the contrast. It is not happen all the time, but for the scene that this happen it will be there. If I repeat that scene, the change in contrast (or blightness?) will occur.

Is this is a normal? Please kindly advice.

Thanks,
Pal

If I'm understanding you correctly, this is something I've noticed and have posted on here before... acually, I'm beginging to notice it more and I'm getting a little concerned about it... I've also read about this in a UK forum.

I spoke to a Pioneer field guy about this... he said he noted something similar in older generation panels, but said that it mostly happened after format shifts (ie, from 720p to 1080i, 480i to 720p, or any other variation.)... I thought that that may be the case with what I'm seeing, but I don't feel that way anymore... also... not sure I've noted it on dvds (will check when I get some free time)... it's been primarily on Cable, with my SA 8300 (passport)... in fact, I was thinking at one point that it might be a cable source problem... but then I realized it wasn't happening on my other panels.

Anyone else experience anything like this?

If I'm understanding you correctly, this is something I've noticed and have posted on here before... acually, I'm beginging to notice it more and I'm getting a little concerned about it... I've also read about this in a UK forum.

I spoke to a Pioneer field guy about this... he said he noted something similar in older generation panels, but said that it mostly happened after format shifts (ie, from 720p to 1080i, 480i to 720p, or any other variation.)... I thought that that may be the case with what I'm seeing, but I don't feel that way anymore... also... not sure I've noted it on dvds (will check when I get some free time)... it's been primarily on Cable, with my SA 8300 (passport)... in fact, I was thinking at one point that it might be a cable source problem... but then I realized it wasn't happening on my other panels.

Anyone else experience anything like this?

What is your current Pure Cinema and DRE setting?

What is your current Pure Cinema and DRE setting?

Pure Cinema iis off, DRE is high.

Oops... just corrected this post.

just to clarify:

Pure Cinema: off
DRE: high

If I'm understanding you correctly, this is something I've noticed and have posted on here before... acually, I'm beginging to notice it more and I'm getting a little concerned about it... I've also read about this in a UK forum.

I spoke to a Pioneer field guy about this... he said he noted something similar in older generation panels, but said that it mostly happened after format shifts (ie, from 720p to 1080i, 480i to 720p, or any other variation.)... I thought that that may be the case with what I'm seeing, but I don't feel that way anymore... also... not sure I've noted it on dvds (will check when I get some free time)... it's been primarily on Cable, with my SA 8300 (passport)... in fact, I was thinking at one point that it might be a cable source problem... but then I realized it wasn't happening on my other panels.

Anyone else experience anything like this?

It happen when we watched DVD so no fomat shift. It happen when there are high contrast object on the scene, it will change contrast (or brightness) of that object only. I turn off all settings in Pro Adjust (Pure Cinema, DNR, MPEG NR, DRE, Black Level, ACL), but it still there every time I repeat that scene)

If you have time please kindly check with DVD.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Pal

just to clarify:

Pure Cinema: off
DRE: high

Try to reduce the DRE to low or off ans see if that helps. I'm not having any problems with contrast changes on my 930. I currently have my pure cinema set to ADV and DRE to high.

What you guys have been describing is a like a flashing of the contrast, correct? I've seen this in previous gens of Pioneers but it was because pure cinema was set to ADV.

It happen when we watched DVD so no fomat shift. It happen when there are high contrast object on the scene, it will change contrast (or brightness) of that object only. I turn off all settings in Pro Adjust (Pure Cinema, DNR, MPEG NR, DRE, Black Level, ACL), but it still there every time I repeat that scene)

If you have time please kindly check with DVD.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Pal

Are these DVDs PAL or NTSC? What is your current pure cinema setting?

Try to reduce the DRE to low or off ans see if that helps. I'm not having any problems with contrast changes on my 930. I currently have my pure cinema set to ADV and DRE to high.

What you guys have been describing is a like a flashing of the contrast, correct? I've seen this in previous gens of Pioneers but it was because pure cinema was set to ADV.

It's either a flashing of the contrast or the brightness... it's hard to say since it's just a quick flash... not even sure flash is the right work... it's more like a little glitch that occurs every now and then.

It's either a flashing of the contrast or the brightness... it's hard to say since it's just a quick flash... not even sure flash is the right work... it's more like a little glitch that occurs every now and then.

Ahhh, I've seen that before. It's actually in the source material. I think it has to do with poor flags in film pictures. I saw it happen last night while watching Ghostbusters on Showtime HD. It did not happen during the Universal HD showing of BSG.

Ahhh, I've seen that before. It's actually in the source material. I think it has to do with poor flags in film pictures. I saw it happen last night while watching Ghostbusters on Showtime HD. It did not happen during the Universal HD showing of BSG.

Good answer.... I was hoping that's what it was.... although, as I posted earlier, I haven't seen it on my bravia lcd or runco plasma. Then again, I don't watch those nearly as much as the 930.... and I watch those other sets with a far less critical eye.

I think you're right though, as I've yet to see it on dvds.

Are these DVDs PAL or NTSC? What is your current pure cinema setting?
Pure Cinama set to off, in fact all the settings in Pro Setting be turned to OFF. It mostly happen with PAL DVD (I live in Thailand).



It's either a flashing of the contrast or the brightness... it's hard to say since it's just a quick flash... not even sure flash is the right work... it's more like a little glitch that occurs every now and then.
Ihamp,
Did it flash the entire screen? When I play DVD it flash some time and WhenI saw SD SAT TV, it flash all the time.

Ahhh, I've seen that before. It's actually in the source material. I think it has to do with poor flags in film pictures. I saw it happen last night while watching Ghostbusters on Showtime HD. It did not happen during the Universal HD showing of BSG.
D-Nice,

You mean that if I watch DVD or SAT TV that have low quality, this flash can happen?

My point is that if this flash occur because of poor signal and can occur with any Pioneer plasma, I will not worry any more. I just got my Pioneer PDP-436 for 10 days and worry that this flash is caused by TV mal-function.

Thanks,
Pal

Ihamp,
Did it flash the entire screen? When I play DVD it flash some time and WhenI saw SD SAT TV, it flash all the time.




i think we may be talking about a different thing.... as I stated earlier, what i'm seeing isn't really a flash, but a slight glitch in the contrast/brightness. And it only happens every now and then. When you say you see a "flash" "all the time" what exactly do you mean? If it really is constant then you're probably dealing with a more serious issue.

Pure Cinama set to off, in fact all the settings in Pro Setting be turned to OFF. It mostly happen with PAL DVD (I live in Thailand).




Ihamp,
Did it flash the entire screen? When I play DVD it flash some time and WhenI saw SD SAT TV, it flash all the time.


D-Nice,

You mean that if I watch DVD or SAT TV that have low quality, this flash can happen?

My point is that if this flash occur because of poor signal and can occur with any Pioneer plasma, I will not worry any more. I just got my Pioneer PDP-436 for 10 days and worry that this flash is caused by TV mal-function.

Thanks,
Pal


I think your problems stem from a 50Hz refresh rate. To be honest, I don't think there is a solution to resolve your issues. You may want to visit the UK forums as they are more experienced with 50Hz refresh rates...

www.avforums.com

Question for the owners: On the stand for the PDP-5060HD is there holes in the desktop stand to screw it down onto a wood furniture stand for prevenative measures in CA earthquakes? I know they made a few changes on the PDP-xx60HD stand...if anyone has any input ont it let me know. thanks!
Cheers,
Cambryn

As promised, here are your Oppo 971H settings thru a DVI to HDMI connection.

Pioneer 930/1130 Settings

Main Menu:
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -2
Color: 0 (DVE says +6 but my eyes say 0)
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -3

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: off

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -3
G High: -5
B High: -1
R Low: -5
G Low: -7
B Low: -5
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: +1
G: -2
C: -1
B: -1
M: +2

NR:
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

Oppo 971H Settings

DVI Output: Output 720p

Video Setup Menu:
Sharpness: Off
Brightness: 0
Contrast: -2
Saturation: 0
True Life: Off
CCS: off
Noise Reduction: Off


Make sure on your Pioneer that you go into the options menu....position.... and change the vertical alignment to -3.

I have just applied your video settings and WOW what an improvement. Just a couple questions first on the vertical adjustment. Can you tell me why -3. I have tried it and I see a black bar at the top when I reach -3 using zoom mode. At -1 the image moves without the addition of that bar. The opposite is true also where a black bar appears at the bottom on the plus side.

Second I know you dont have the 5060 so since I do not have the DRE option or manual color detail and color management options I guess iIwould use color detail at mid or warm and CTI at off.

Thanks

Pete

I have just applied your video settings and WOW what an improvement. Just a couple questions first on the vertical adjustment. Can you tell me why -3. I have tried it and I see a black bar at the top when I reach -3 using zoom mode. At -1 the image moves without the addition of that bar. The opposite is true also where a black bar appears at the bottom on the plus side.

Second I know you dont have the 5060 so since I do not have the DRE option or manual color detail and color management options I guess iIwould use color detail at mid or warm and CTI at off.

Thanks

Pete


Oh, man I thought you had an Elite. I'll make you a batch of settings specific to the 5060.

The -3 vertical adjustment came from the overscan screen on DVE. For now, leave it at zero and use these settings on the 5060.

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -2
Color: -6
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off

Color Detail
Color Temp: Mid or Warm (Warm is closer to 6500)
CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

Edit:// Answered own question>>>

Question for the owners: On the stand for the PDP-5060HD is there holes in the desktop stand to screw it down onto a wood furniture stand for prevenative measures in CA earthquakes? I know they made a few changes on the PDP-xx60HD stand...if anyone has any input ont it let me know. thanks!
Cheers,
Cambryn

Yes, 2 in the back.

I recently finished flush-mounting a Pioneer 5060 in a wall. A description and more photos are at http://gallery.avsforum.com/showphoto.php/photo/18754/cat/500/ppuser/7501859

I had to mount the display in a hallway and wanted it as tight against the wall as possible to protect it from scratches, etc. Also wanted it at eye level. While the installation is still not complete (I intend to recess it another inch and a half), this is basically what it will look like.

This is a very difficult room to set up a home theater in -- windows, archways and stone everywhere. I couldn't have done it without the help from this and other AVS forums.

Altogether, a wonderful picture, great sound and a fun project.

Angus

Well, after being underwhelmed by the news from CES, I decided to begin looking for a plasma. Pioneer was at the top of my list. Then I found out Pioneer dropped their msrp by $500. Very inticing. I got a 10% off coupon from BB in the mail. It expired today so I headed up there to check out the 4361. I called the wife and said, what size, 43" or 50". She replied "what do we have now?" I said 55". She said "get the 50". So I left with a 5061. Well, it's coming in Friday as none were in stock. So with Pioneer dropping their msrp by $500 the coupon plus the rewards program, and two years no interest financing, I couldn't resist. Everyone reply that I made the right decision. Please.

ps. does the pro1130 stand fit the 5060?

I think your problems stem from a 50Hz refresh rate. To be honest, I don't think there is a solution to resolve your issues. You may want to visit the UK forums as they are more experienced with 50Hz refresh rates...

www.avforums.com
D-Nice,

Thank you for your comment, I love this forum.

Any how I just called Pioneer Thailand, they will send some one to check at my house. I will update this matter.

Pal

Well, after being underwhelmed by the news from CES, I decided to begin looking for a plasma. Pioneer was at the top of my list. Then I found out Pioneer dropped their msrp by $500. Very inticing. I got a 10% off coupon from BB in the mail. It expired today so I headed up there to check out the 4361. I called the wife and said, what size, 43" or 50". She replied "what do we have now?" I said 55". She said "get the 50". So I left with a 5061. Well, it's coming in Friday as none were in stock. So with Pioneer dropping their msrp by $500 the coupon plus the rewards program, and two years no interest financing, I couldn't resist. Everyone reply that I made the right decision. Please.

ps. does the pro1130 stand fit the 5060?

Excellent deal. Yes the PSK-1013 will fit the 5060. Pioneer dropped the price by a grand for the 5060 and 1130 on Sunday. So you actually should be getting the 5061 for $4999 (Mods this is a MSRP price ;)) minus 10%.

Funny thing is I called a local Elite dealer and they offered me the 1130 for the same price you are getting the 5061...including your 10% discount and with no haggling.

Excellent deal. Yes the PSK-1013 will fit the 5060. Pioneer dropped the price by a grand for the 5060 and 1130 on Sunday. So you actually should be getting the 5061 for $4999 (Mods this is a MSRP price ;)) minus 10%.

Funny thing is I called a local Elite dealer and they offered me the 1130 for the same price you are getting the 5061...including your 10% discount and with no haggling.
Oh, it was $1,000 drop on the 5060...nice. So yes, msrp less the 10% is correct. Plus another $115 in rewards (going towards a new dvd player with hdmi. What put me over the top was the no interest financing for two years.
You most certainly got a deal. When talking with a local shop about the Elite, they came down by roughly 8% off msrp but no where near what you got it for. Maybe I'll call them back and check.

Oh, man I thought you had an Elite. I'll make you a batch of settings specific to the 5060.

The -3 vertical adjustment came from the overscan screen on DVE. For now, leave it at zero and use these settings on the 5060.

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 30
Brightness: -2
Color: -6
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: Off

Color Detail
Color Temp: Mid or Warm (Warm is closer to 6500)
CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

D-Nice,

Thanks I will be looking forward for your batch of settings ideas for the 5060 and I suspect will be a great help to all who have this unit. BTW I have a Dish DVR942 hooked on Input 3 HDMI-HDMI. Are you familiar with this receiver and what would be optimal on video settings on the Pio. I have set the receiver at 720p and 16x9. There is no video settings adjustments on that receiver.

Pete

Thanks a ton Mswlogo!
Cheers,
cambryn

I bought the 4360 yesterday and am waiting for delivery hopefully some time this week. It looks like it is a very well built and highly regarded plasma. I was just looking at the Pioneer Australia site though and was surprised that they offer a standard 5 year warranty on the equivelant tv.

http://pioneeraus.com.au.us.server-fast.com/media/downloads/PlasmaWarrantyFlyerJuly05.pdf

It is a little upsetting to see this and makes me wonder if they are that confident in their Plasmas whether the extended warranty is worth it or not. I bought my tv at Visions here in Canada and they will refund the money for the 3 year total extended warranty if it is not used at all over it's duration. I guess it is good to know you are covered but it seems like a rip off for us Pioneer buying Canadians and Americans. Not much you can do but just thought it was interesting.

where are you guys seeing the MSRP price drops? on the Pio site, it shows $6500 for the 1130, $10,000 for the 1410. Has these MSRP's changed? to what and when? and where would I see this?

where are you guys seeing the MSRP price drops? on the Pio site, it shows $6500 for the 1130, $10,000 for the 1410. Has these MSRP's changed? to what and when? and where would I see this?

Pioneer's website is always WAY behind on information updates (remember the 9K MSRP price for the 1130 a few months ago?)

Any major retailer has the correct "new" MSRP in their ads. I don't know if the price drops include the 1410.

Probably getting the 4360 this week. I see that some of the 5060 users have used the elite stand (pdk-1013). Will this same stand fit the 43"? Do any of the 930 owners know if this is the same part number as their stand?

Thanks

so I call Magnolia for a pickup on the 1130, and they tell me at the prices I am getting, I'd be a fool not to get a different set now. I want something larger, and he is telling me I'd be foolish not to take the 1410 for the price he is giving it to me for. I asked him about the Fujitsu 55", their largest in that line, he said he has 1 left and would do it for the same price as the 1410. both are great prices.

what the heck do I do now?

Pioneer's website is always WAY behind on information updates (remember the 9K MSRP price for the 1130 a few months ago?)

Any major retailer has the correct "new" MSRP in their ads. I don't know if the price drops include the 1410.

I think its time to go to tweeter and see what kind of deal I can get on a 79avi or 74txi since I just lost $1k on my 1130... :cool:

[QUOTE=Joe_R]Well, after being underwhelmed by the news from CES, I decided to begin looking for a plasma. Pioneer was at the top of my list. Then I found out Pioneer dropped their msrp by $500. Very inticing. So I headed up there to check out the 4361. I called the wife and said, what size, 43" or 50". She replied "what do we have now?" I said 55". She said "get the 50". So I left with a 5061. Well, it's coming in Friday as none were in stock. So with Pioneer dropping their msrp by $500, and two years no interest financing, I couldn't resist. Everyone reply that I made the right decision. Please.

Ha Ha. I thought it was funny reading this. Your story is almost exactly like mine, except I didn't find out until Monday about the price drop. I check the Best Buy web site and couldn't believe it when I saw the price. I picked up the phone and verified the price. He said yes and I went to the store to finalize the transacation. I pick it up on Thursday. I am convinced that I made the right decision, and I think that you did too!

I just bought the 4360 here in Canada, would the $500 drop on MSRP be effective here as well?

I just put my order in for the 4360 with TVA. GREAT PRICE with the recent $500 drop off MSRP!

Pioneer dropped the price by a grand for the 5060 and 1130 on Sunday. So you actually should be getting the 5061 for $4999 (Mods this is a MSRP price ;)) minus 10%.

Do you have an online source for the new MSRPs for the 4360, 5060, 930 and 1130?

TVA is showing MSRPs of $6000 for a 5060 and $4500 for a 4360. One of the other dealers is showing an MSRP of $9000 for a 5060. And the rest, no MSRP prices at all. I asked about the 5060 in a local B&M today and he claimed to know nothing about any drop in MSRPs.

Do you have an online source for the new MSRPs for the 4360, 5060, 930 and 1130?

TVA is showing MSRPs of $6000 for a 5060 and $4500 for a 4360. One of the other dealers is showing an MSRP of $9000 for a 5060. And the rest, no MSRP prices at all. I asked about the 5060 in a local B&M today and he claimed to know nothing about any drop in MSRPs.

TVA hasn't updated their website. Best Buy has them for the new MSRP.

There was indeed a MSRP decrease for those questioning. We have had an update a few hours ago. This was completly new to me until today when readying the more posts there was on the Pioneer plasma's. Its possible that the other auth. dealers havent caught onto the decrease yet or adjusted the site to reflect that MSRP drop.

Is it just me or did Pioneerusa.com change their layout on their site?

Cheers,
C@mbryn
PM me with any questions.

There was indeed a MSRP decrease for those questioning. We have had an update a few hours ago. This was completly new to me until today when readying the more posts there was on the Pioneer plasma's. Its possible that the other auth. dealers havent caught onto the decrease yet or adjusted the site to reflect that MSRP drop.

Is it just me or did Pioneerusa.com change their layout on their site?

Cheers,
C@mbryn
PM me with any questions.
Thanks for the update. Yes, Pioneer changed the layout....more colorful than before?

Well, my 43" Pioneer shipped and should be here on Thursday....so much for changing out to the 50". So, i've received my new progressive scan dvd player (Denon 1920) and HDMI cable. Do I need an audio cable when connecting up my dvd player or will the audio go through the HDMI? Do any of you have settings for the 4360 you could share? Thanks!

Well, my 43" Pioneer shipped and should be here on Thursday....so much for changing out to the 50". So, i've received my new progressive scan dvd player (Denon 1920) and HDMI cable. Do I need an audio cable when connecting up my dvd player or will the audio go through the HDMI? Do any of you have settings for the 4360 you could share? Thanks!

Audio will work through HDMI but it will be only 2 channel as that is what the display produces.

If you have an A/V Receiver, use optical from DVD to A/VR and you wont have any issues. I dont have the Denon, so there may be some special settings for it. Check the DVD forum for more info on your player.

As far as the Pioneer, go into the options menu once you choose an input, and turn on HDMI for it. On my 1130, HDMI was defaulted to 'off', and I had to turn it on before it would work.

DNice has posted lots of 4360 compatible settings lately. Just browse back and you will find plenty. The 5060 settings should be very close at well, definitely close enough to try and see if you like.

Gracias! That's what I needed. Now someone mentioned running the panel in a "power save" mode for the first 100 hours?

Audio will work through HDMI but it will be only 2 channel as that is what the display produces.

If you have an A/V Receiver, use optical from DVD to A/VR and you wont have any issues. I dont have the Denon, so there may be some special settings for it. Check the DVD forum for more info on your player.

As far as the Pioneer, go into the options menu once you choose an input, and turn on HDMI for it. On my 1130, HDMI was defaulted to 'off', and I had to turn it on before it would work.

DNice has posted lots of 4360 compatible settings lately. Just browse back and you will find plenty. The 5060 settings should be very close at well, definitely close enough to try and see if you like.

Gracias! That's what I needed. Now someone mentioned running the panel in a "power save" mode for the first 100 hours?

Yep, save2

Thanks D-nice, I had to make sure it wasnt just me seeing things.. :)

It appears alot of manufactures are going colorful this year-even infocus has orange, red (dont get me wrong..love those colors)

Cheers,
Cambryn

I have purchased an 1130 which I will be receiving on Saturday - can't wait. I will be getting a new Comcast cable box - Motorolla DCT 6412 - Dual tuner DVR. Any tips on initial settings - break-in?

Thanks in advance

Jim

I have purchased an 1130 which I will be receiving on Saturday - can't wait. I will be getting a new Comcast cable box - Motorolla DCT 6412 - Dual tuner DVR. Any tips on initial settings - break-in?

Thanks in advance

Jim

I think MaliciousBraham has the same cable box. You can click on his signature to get his settings.

Thanks D-Nice.

Is it worth it to get the set Professionally calibrated or is getting a consumer product - DVD Essentials good enough?

Thanks

Thanks D-Nice.

Is it worth it to get the set Professionally calibrated or is getting a consumer product - DVD Essentials good enough?

Thanks

I say save your money and just use DVE.

I have purchased an 1130 which I will be receiving on Saturday - can't wait. I will be getting a new Comcast cable box - Motorolla DCT 6412 - Dual tuner DVR. Any tips on initial settings - break-in?

Thanks in advance

Jim

I have the same moto box, so sure you can try the settings in my signature link. Just be warned that others here who have tried them have said they liked DNice's better. Something may be strange about my particular setup, so if the settings dont look good to you, dont think something is wrong with your display.

There are a couple versions of the 6412 floating around. One with DVI and another with HDMI. I am using the HDMI version/connection.

Best Buy has them for the new MSRP.

Thanks for the reminder about Best Buy. I had only checked the forum-affiliated websites.

In case anyone else is interested, the new MSRPs for the 4360 and the 5060 are $3999 and $4999, respectively.

Do you or anyone else know the new MSRPs for the Elites (930 and 1130)?

Easier to negotiate if you know where you're starting from :)

$4500 and $5500

Been reading these for a while -- thanks for all of the great info. One thing I'm still not sure about....are the upcoming 1080p models likely to have a *significant* PQ advantage over the Elite 1130 in terms of playing HD DVD/Blu-Ray? How about current DVDs?

With the price drop on the 1130 I'm more tempted then ever, but I don't want to regret not waiting 6 mths for the new models if they're vastly superior.

Thanks!

$4500 and $5500

That $5500 is for the 1130?

That $5500 is for the 1130?

Correct

Correct

Yes, our Magnolia in BB had the MSRP for the 1130 at 5,499.99 last night - pretty cool!

I have seen the brightness change isssue. It was while watching the Anchorman DVD, and there was one scene where it would switch b/w people talking (in Ron Burgundy's office) and the brightness would change. I rented the DVD, so I can't go back and experiment or check the chapter. I haven't noticed it since, but I also haven't watched many DVDs. I have a Panny S-77.

If the brightness switches with the camera angle as you are describing, it may just be poor matching of lighting when they were originally filming the movie. Often dialog scenes are filmed in segments, with one camera recording one actor as he does all his lines, then switching angles and lighting to get the second actor's lines. This can lead to an apparent shift in brightness if the lighting people were not on their game that day.

For those Reese Witherspoon fans out there, a great example of this is at the end of Legally Blonde, in the graduation scene at the end of the movie. Most of the film was shot around Los Angeles, but after the main part of the shooting finished, the graduation scene was added. Most of the actors were off doing other projects at the time, and the easiest way to get them together was to shoot the scene in England. If you look closely, you can tell that the lighting is much different in this scene compared to the rest of the movie, because there was no way to completely match the lighting of the rest of the film.

I seem to remember the black bars at the top and bottom changing brightness, too - but I could be wrong about that. Unfortunately, I'm not sure, and I went out of town the next day so I had to return the movie ASAP.

irjs (or anyone else)

How did you find the Pioneer office? I need to switch out my media box or get it fixed. Thanks.

After about a month with my 5060, I'd say I'm in the "very happy" category.

However, one issue is driving me crazy.

Does anyone else have a 5060 and DishPlayer 942? I have really bad audio sync issues with all the content coming from the dish when trying to take audio from the 942 and listen to it through my Marantz/Paradigm AV/Receiver set up. Even the local channels it tunes in are out of sync in this situation. The audio arrives a bit earlier than the video. It seems that maybe some Dish channels are worse offenders than others. But there are definite problems with HDNet, ESPN, any music/concert type thing, etc.

Everything is fine with the HDMI connection. But I can't get any semblance of audio sync if I try to listen to the sound via my Marantz A/V receiver utilizing any of the audio outputs on the 942 (stereo RCA and/or optical). I've tried every type of connection combination. Bottom line: in sync from the 942 into the 5060 speakers. In sync when using the DVD Player (component video out of the DVD Player, digital audio out into the Marantz). Out of sync in every other scenario. What IS the problem? The 942? Does anyone have this combination: the 5060 and 942 and an A/V receiver? And if so, any issues?

I know there can be sync issues with HDTVs due to the scaling/processing issues. But I can watch DVDs with no problems, and everything coming from the HDMI output seems to be OK. If the only way to fix this problem is going to be getting a new, expensive A/V Receiver than can switch HDMI, I'm going to be really bummed.

Any help is appreciated. I need to know if I should start the process of returning the 942.

Thanks,

Rod W.

After about a month with my 5060, I'd say I'm in the "very happy" category.

However, one issue is driving me crazy.

Does anyone else have a 5060 and DishPlayer 942? I have really bad audio sync issues with all the content coming from the dish when trying to take audio from the 942 and listen to it through my Marantz/Paradigm AV/Receiver set up.

Can you hook-up 942->HDMI->5060 MR->optical out->Receiver?
If you have 942 optical out directly to receiver, you lose the 5060 MR's ability to audio sync for you.

That is probably the only type of connection I did not try, because I remember reading something on one of the forums about how you can't feed the 5060 an HDMI signal, and then take the optical out of the MR to an A/V receiver. Is that true or am I mistaken?

I can certainly try it, and it would be an easy fix if it worked!

Thanks,

Rod W.

Can you hook-up 942->HDMI->5060 MR->optical out->Receiver?
If you have 942 optical out directly to receiver, you lose the 5060 MR's ability to audio sync for you.

That is probably the only type of connection I did not try, because I remember reading something on one of the forums about how you can't feed the 5060 an HDMI signal, and then take the optical out of the MR to an A/V receiver. Is that true or am I mistaken?

I can certainly try it, and it would be an easy fix if it worked!

Thanks,

Rod W.

That is correct. You will need to send the optical out from the 942 to your receiver adjust the delay time on your receiver's end. It may be called speaker distance in your manual.....just depends on the receiver.

I've tried that as well. It is labeled "speaker distance" in my Marantz and I've used varying numbers. But didn't see any improvement. I know the new receivers have an up to 240 millisecond delay. How much is that? Is it 1/4 of a second? 1/2? It doesn't look like my receiver is coming close to compensating for the amount of delay. And if 240 milliseconds isn't at least a 1/2 second, I doubt even that amount of delay would help this situation. It is very noticebly off, and when I have volume up on the HDMI-source audio on the Pio's speakers, and bring up the volume of the Marantz, a definite echo can be heard. My main question is: since audio/video IS in sync using a DVD player's video > component > Pio, audio > digital > Marantz for output, why doesn't this work with the 942? And HDMI is fine, so I don't believe my 5060 is "messing up" audio/video sync. Do I have a defective 942?

Rod W.


That is correct. You will need to send the optical out from the 942 to your receiver adjust the delay time on your receiver's end. It may be called speaker distance in your manual.....just depends on the receiver.

I've tried that as well. It is labeled "speaker distance" in my Marantz and I've used varying numbers. But didn't see any improvement. I know the new receivers have an up to 240 millisecond delay. How much is that? Is it 1/4 of a second? 1/2? It doesn't look like my receiver is coming close to compensating for the amount of delay. And if 240 milliseconds isn't at least a 1/2 second, I doubt even that amount of delay would help this situation. It is very noticebly off, and when I have volume up on the HDMI-source audio on the Pio's speakers, and bring up the volume of the Marantz, a definite echo can be heard. My main question is: since audio/video IS in sync using a DVD player's video > component > Pio, audio > digital > Marantz for output, why doesn't this work with the 942? And HDMI is fine, so I don't believe my 5060 is "messing up" audio/video sync. Do I have a defective 942?

Rod W.

Hmmm. Maybe it's caused by the lag from the HD of your 942. That lag can be up to 2 seconds.

Are you saying that the 942 itself could send out an HD video signal (component) that lags its own audio (stereo RCA and/or digital optical) by up to 2 seconds? Is that remotely acceptable? I can understand if the TV is messing with it somehow, and I know that in some cases they do. But if the 942 is screwing up the sync to begin with, wouldn't that be considered a defect on the part of the 942?

By the way, this is exactly what I suspect. The fact that HDMI signals from the 942 ARE in sync doesn't disprove my theory, because on HDMI the audio and video are delivered together.

I've found bits of information from other threads that maybe indicate a "defect" with the 942 and also the HD DishPlayer 811 (non-DVR model) regarding sync issues. Nothing real definitive. I'm leaning towards returning the 942, either for another, or a different unit. I'd like to be sure that there isn't some possible fix, because everything else is fine. (I'd like my "get a plasma, get HD and DVR odyssey" to be over!).

Am I the only one having this problem? It seems like there might be more 942/plasma owners out there who want to listen to sound through a receiver instead of their TV's built-in speakers.

Rod W.


Hmmm. Maybe it's caused by the lag from the HD of your 942. That lag can be up to 2 seconds.

I have been on the sidelines for some time. Now, I am in the market for a new plasma. PQ and reliability are my primary concerns. I have read many posts regarding the best plasma. I might be one of the few who liked the discontinued overpriced Sony XBR Plasma (surrounded in glass). I was close purchasing a 500U good picture but missing something in my eyes. It killed me because I have a great deal on them. I narrowed the list to the new elites (930/1130) and fujitsu's (50TA/55TA). I have a keen eye and these are the best if money is not the primary deciding factor. I have notice a stronger green push in the elites that I have reviewed. First question; do people agree with green push in the elite and has anyone effectively corrected it. Second, this forum has written that pioneer plasma MSRP has dropped. I call Pioneer and local authorized dealers to verify and nobody knows if its true. The pioneer rep told me its possible but they have not been notifed. Same with the authorized dealers. Web page has not changed. Where did you get your information on the price drop?

I have been on the sidelines for some time. Now, I am in the market for a new plasma. PQ and reliability are my primary concerns. I have read many posts regarding the best plasma. I might be one of the few who liked the discontinued overpriced Sony XBR Plasma (surrounded in glass). I was close purchasing a 500U good picture but missing something in my eyes. It killed me because I have a great deal on them. I narrowed the list to the new elites (930/1130) and fujitsu's (50TA/55TA). I have a keen eye and these are the best if money is not the primary deciding factor. I have notice a stronger green push in the elites that I have reviewed. First question; do people agree with green push in the elite and has anyone effectively corrected it. Second, this forum has written that pioneer plasma MSRP has dropped. I call Pioneer and local authorized dealers to verify and nobody knows if its true. The pioneer rep told me its possible but they have not been notifed. Same with the authorized dealers. Web page has not changed. Where did you get your information on the price drop?


Are you talking about oversaturated greens? Yes, they are easily tamed with the Elite's addition color settings (RGB Gain and Bias controls as well as six individual color adjusters)

D-Nice

Regarding the green push, I have been watching Lost OTA in HD and the Battlestar Galactica DVD's and in scenes where there is as lot of foliage, the leaves do look incredibly green. I don't mind it muself, but I was noticing it was likely too green. On those adjustments you refer to, RGB Gain and Bias controls, I was going to leave color adjustment alone. But I am curious, if I were to do it, what do you use to calibrate the green amd other colors to? Perhaps you do it by eye? Or does the new Digital Video Essentials disc provide more? Just curious. Thanks.

When I was inquiring about the Pioneer price drop. The rep mention if it was true (he did not know) but it could because the next generation elites PRO-940/1140HD are going to be announced in the spring to early summer. They are going to produce these at there new California manufacturing plant. They will have the newest technology, increased resolution, smaller pixels, even better blacks. He said these were going to be similar to the New 1080p plasma announced at the CES 2006 show. As metioned earlier in another post buy a PRO930/1130HD or wait for the newer PRO940/1140HD? Help?

Buy it today and enjoy - there will always be something better coming down the line.

D-Nice

Regarding the green push, I have been watching Lost OTA in HD and the Battlestar Galactica DVD's and in scenes where there is as lot of foliage, the leaves do look incredibly green. I don't mind it muself, but I was noticing it was likely too green. On those adjustments you refer to, RGB Gain and Bias controls, I was going to leave color adjustment alone. But I am curious, if I were to do it, what do you use to calibrate the green amd other colors to? Perhaps you do it by eye? Or does the new Digital Video Essentials disc provide more? Just curious. Thanks.

For my DVD player I use DVE. For HD, I use HDNet's test patterns and the red/green/blue filter from DVE. Simple, yet effective and saves me the $400 ISF calibration fee.

When I was inquiring about the Pioneer price drop. The rep mention if it was true (he did not know) but it could because the next generation elites PRO-940/1140HD are going to be announced in the spring to early summer. They are going to produce these at there new California manufacturing plant. They will have the newest technology, increased resolution, smaller pixels, even better blacks. He said these were going to be similar to the New 1080p plasma announced at the CES 2006 show.

We shall see ;)

Where did this pioneer plasma MSRP price drop come from, does anyone know?

Hey all,
Time for me to get the 4345 on the wall. Don't need any fancy tilt bracket.

Any recommendations?

Thanks,
Spoonerman

PS - and, you opinions about how high?

Where did this pioneer plasma MSRP price drop come from, does anyone know?


Where did it come from or why did it come?

What is the HDNet test pattern? Do they run a test pattern at at certain time of day or something?

Thanks,

Rod


For my DVD player I use DVE. For HD, I use HDNet's test patterns and the red/green/blue filter from DVE. Simple, yet effective and saves me the $400 ISF calibration fee.

What is the HDNet test pattern? Do they run a test pattern at at certain time of day or something?

Thanks,

Rod


Yes. I think it is 6:00AM - 6:10AM every Tuesday morning.

A sales guy for Magnolia said that he suspects the price drop in MSRP is due to the 1080p technology Plasmas expected to be out around this summer. I have been following the 65+ pages of this thread and have found immense help in my decision. D-Nice has been especially forthcoming with help.

So the question for me now is.. do I take the plunge on the Elite 1130, or do I hem and haw long enough to get my hands on a 1080p....? Do peopel think the 1080p will be that much sweeter of a product, or is it only a marginal upgrade? I have not owned a Plasma before but have been eyeing them since I bought my wife's engagement ring with the tv money... I am finally ready to buy one, but it seems like the tvs keep jumping by leaps and bounds every year...

The soonest I think I will get the 1130 is RIGHT before the super bowl, so I am just wondering if I should wait another 4 months or so and then just get the latest tech tv then.... input...? thoughts...?

-D.

A sales guy for Magnolia said that he suspects the price drop in MSRP is due to the 1080p technology Plasmas expected to be out around this summer. I have been following the 65+ pages of this thread and have found immense help in my decision. D-Nice has been especially forthcoming with help.

So the question for me now is.. do I take the plunge on the Elite 1130, or do I hem and haw long enough to get my hands on a 1080p....? Do peopel think the 1080p will be that much sweeter of a product, or is it only a marginal upgrade? I have not owned a Plasma before but have been eyeing them since I bought my wife's engagement ring with the tv money... I am finally ready to buy one, but it seems like the tvs keep jumping by leaps and bounds every year...

The soonest I think I will get the 1130 is RIGHT before the super bowl, so I am just wondering if I should wait another 4 months or so and then just get the latest tech tv then.... input...? thoughts...?

-D.

I say go for the 1130. The FHD-1 will be out in June, but it lacks a MR, tuner, and only has 1 HDMI port. Pioneer will be updating the 768p panels later this year, but it will not be before September.

1080p is great, but unless you are planning on sitting 5 feet away from the screen, its completely worthless. With the price savings on the 1130 compared to the FHD-1, You can buy a BR or HD-DVD player :D

A sales guy for Magnolia said that he suspects the price drop in MSRP is due to the 1080p technology Plasmas expected to be out around this summer. I have been following the 65+ pages of this thread and have found immense help in my decision. D-Nice has been especially forthcoming with help.

So the question for me now is.. do I take the plunge on the Elite 1130, or do I hem and haw long enough to get my hands on a 1080p....? Do peopel think the 1080p will be that much sweeter of a product, or is it only a marginal upgrade? I have not owned a Plasma before but have been eyeing them since I bought my wife's engagement ring with the tv money... I am finally ready to buy one, but it seems like the tvs keep jumping by leaps and bounds every year...

The soonest I think I will get the 1130 is RIGHT before the super bowl, so I am just wondering if I should wait another 4 months or so and then just get the latest tech tv then.... input...? thoughts...?

-D.
I'm done waiting. I bought the 5060. First, if you read all the CES reports, the majority of 1080p sets were displaying 720p content. Second, because there is no 1080p content at this moment. DVD's will be first. I can't realistically see the broadcasters picking up 1080p content anytime soon. Kind of like when Widescreen format first appeared. It was only on DVD's and took years to migrate to tv. Third, you'll pay twice as much for a 1080p set now. Forth, 1080p sets can't accept a 1080p signal via HDMI because it's 1.0 spec (1080p is supposedly in the 1.3 spec). Fifth, let others be the guinne pigs and for the bugs to get worked out. I'm tired of being an early adopter....sort of.

Where did it come from or why did it come?

Pioneer did not vertify it? WHERE...

I was sort of thinking the same thing in regards to the tech.. it will be very pricey, and if they are bringing a new CA factory online in the production, there will almost inevitably be bugs to contend with... I am still looking at the 1130. I need to find a few shops that sell it though.... Magnolia I am not a big fan of... I just don't like the snake oil salesmen approach many of them have. I tried a place in SoCal called Wilshire, and they are open and honest about it all.. tempted to hit them up....

I am going to try hard and heavy to get the 1130 though i think....

-D.

Go for the 1130HD.

I too had issues with BB. Went to Tweeter and purchased. Slightly better price.
Way better service. Picked it up at the distribution center down in Vista.

Great plasma. HDMI works great. Had it since Xmas. No issues.

Enjoy

bltserv

D-Nice, think you might have ans. this before......is there a way to store individual picture settings for input 1 (SA-8300) and input 3 (DVD) ?

D-Nice, think you might have ans. this before......is there a way to store individual picture settings for input 1 (SA-8300) and input 3 (DVD) ?

Yes save your personal settings under "User" on each input.

After a long period of research, I finally took the plunge and went with the 4360. Arrives tomorrow. Apart from paranoia about burn-in and proper calibration, I'm fired up to fire this thing up. Should be a nice addition to my bachelor pad. :D

Thanks to the avs forum members for their helpful advice on which plasma to get. :)

I've been following this thread for a while, and I think I'm jumping into a 5060 tomorrow. In the mean time, and apologies if I missed this answer earlier, could somebody tell me the difference between the 5060 and the 5050? Also, any recommendations on a wall mount would be appreciated. I need tilting, but not articulating. Thanks in advance.

$4500 and $5500

With only a $500 difference now in MSRPs for an Elite vs a non-Elite, that means I'll almost certainly be looking at the Elite, assuming street prices aren't too far apart.

Thanks D-Nice for your insights for color calibration. DVE is on my list of DVDs.

Howdy. My 5061 is arriving on Sunday. This is going to be my first plasma TV. Needless to say I am extremely excited.

I was wondering if someone could help me with the first 3 to 5 things I need to do once the TV is unpacked an turned on. I have a limited understanding of needing to take special care of it during the first 100 hours. But what, specifically, would you recommend I do? What calibrations have worked best?

The TV will be hooked up to basic cable for now. I'll be upgrading to HD cable in a week or so. I don't have a fancy DVD player yet, just an X-box. But I'm going to upgrade that as well. I also have a pretty simple Sony receiver.

Thanks.

Pioneer did not vertify it? WHERE...
Why does Pioneer need to verify it if B&M stores are selling it at the lower price? Magnolias and Tweeters in this area(northern VA) are listing the 1130 at $$$.

EDIT>>

mod note: no price other than MSRP, please. Thanks.

Those were the new MSRP's. I am aware of the rules, but I don't have a dog in that fight.

Btw, just got my 5-LNB dish and H20 receivers(I'm a DTV guy) setup tonight. I'm interested in how the broadcasts will look tomorrow during the football games. I don't expect the picture to be as good as ESPN's Sunday Night Football, but will use it as my reference.

Pioneer did not vertify it? WHERE...

Pioneer did not verify?

Pioneer dropped the prices on the xx60s and xx30s. This is fact. No verification is needed, but if you must, call them.

Malvoe1,
I just got a Pioneer phone number out of the phone book. It's probably their Canadian Head Office, and I only live about 20 minutes away. I wound up speaking with someone in sales, and he set up an appointment for me with a technician. I took my media box in, and the tech listened to it and agreed that it was defective. He had 3 Media boxes waiting for me, we tried one that was very quiet, and I took it home. There were great to deal with. I probably could have got this done through the retailer, but I preferred this way. Good luck.

I was hoping to use the remote control out to daisy chain the remote signal from the 5060 to reciever to Direct TV reciever and replace the IR repeater I am currently using. The manual talks about using the "control out" is for SR+ equiped pioneer equipment, can that signal be used for other componets or used with a IR repeater, it would be nice not to have the IR repeater "eye" sitting under the plasma.

Jack

I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on the 1130 -, a couple of questions on warranty.

The Pioneer comes with a 2 year standard warranty,
BB will warrany it for four years for an additional $599

I don't think Pioneer will provide in home service so is the BB warranty worth it. Salesperson also said Pioneer will not cover until so many pixels are dead., BB warranty would. I know they're trying to sell their warranty but I want to make sure I'm covered if something goes wrong.

I got my 4360 this morning and have set it up. I am using the reduced power mode (Save 2). I've reduced the brightness to 40 and color to -5. Are these the correct settings? Secondly, I've connected up my Denon dvd player and when set to 720p the plasma has bars at the top and bottom. Is this ok during the break in and normal periods? Is there anyway to stretch this? (I'm still a little ignorant and learning all the safety precautions to owning plasma...thx!)

I finally got my 1130 today. It is amazing. I am trying to manually adjust the colors but it is really hard. I put them to all zeros and that seems to be ok. My wife likes the standard setting so I have modified that with lower brightness, contrast, etc... I tried the color setting suggested here but it didn't quite look right. DV Essentials doesn't go into that depth. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jim

I finally got my 1130 today. It is amazing. I am trying to manually adjust the colors but it is really hard. I put them to all zeros and that seems to be ok. My wife likes the standard setting so I have modified that with lower brightness, contrast, etc... I tried the color setting suggested here but it didn't quite look right. DV Essentials doesn't go into that depth. Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jim


What exactly are you trying to setup? DVD player or cable/sat box?

Cable - Was watching football

Wow, what a thread. I,ve tried to read through much of it but I dont have a spare week on my hands. I recently picked up a PRO-930 as well as a Pioneer DV 79 AVI DVD player. Cable is through a SA 4200HD box. Both the cable and DVD player are hooked up to the media receiver using HDMI cables and Digital audio to my Rotel receiver. I am still under the 100 hours and using the Break in settings listed somewhere on this thread.

After the 100 hours what should I be using as far as settings, and I am also a little confused on 480p vs 480i. I think the DVD player is putting out 480p. Is that the best setup. Also on the SA4200, is there anything special I should do to that. I know I selected all of the available outputs, but thats about it.

Thanks
John

I got my 4360 this morning and have set it up. I am using the reduced power mode (Save 2). I've reduced the brightness to 40 and color to -5. Are these the correct settings? Secondly, I've connected up my Denon dvd player and when set to 720p the plasma has bars at the top and bottom. Is this ok during the break in and normal periods? Is there anyway to stretch this? (I'm still a little ignorant and learning all the safety precautions to owning plasma...thx!)

There are some break-in settings a page or two back (posted by D-Nice).... try those, they are very good.... the contrast is much lower (25) and they work well for break in and beyond.

The bars you talk about have nothing to do with 720p, they have to do with the movie's aspect ration and they are totally normal... I wouldn't worry about burn-in (unless you watch everything with bars, which I'm sure you don't)... but if it still bother's you you can use the zoom mode to get rid of them.

Good luck.

Cable - Was watching football

What type of cable box do you have?

Wow, what a thread. I,ve tried to read through much of it but I dont have a spare week on my hands. I recently picked up a PRO-930 as well as a Pioneer DV 79 AVI DVD player. Cable is through a SA 4200HD box. Both the cable and DVD player are hooked up to the media receiver using HDMI cables and Digital audio to my Rotel receiver. I am still under the 100 hours and using the Break in settings listed somewhere on this thread.

After the 100 hours what should I be using as far as settings, and I am also a little confused on 480p vs 480i. I think the DVD player is putting out 480p. Is that the best setup. Also on the SA4200, is there anything special I should do to that. I know I selected all of the available outputs, but thats about it.

Thanks
John

Here are some setting for you to use for your SA 4200 during the break-in period. After break-in, just turn the contrast up. make sure you turn your power save mode to save2.


Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual
R High: -4
G High: -3
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -2
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -4
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1

I got my 4360 this morning and have set it up. I am using the reduced power mode (Save 2). I've reduced the brightness to 40 and color to -5. Are these the correct settings? Secondly, I've connected up my Denon dvd player and when set to 720p the plasma has bars at the top and bottom. Is this ok during the break in and normal periods? Is there anyway to stretch this? (I'm still a little ignorant and learning all the safety precautions to owning plasma...thx!)

Try these for your cable box. You can bump the color setting up per your tastes. What type of Denon DVD player do you have?

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: -13
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Warm

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

Try these for your cable box. You can bump the color setting up per your tastes. What type of Denon DVD player do you have?

Main Menu
AV Selection: User
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: -13
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail
Color Temp: Warm

CTI: Off

NR
DNR: Low
MPEG NR: Low

D-Nice would you use those settings for a Dish DVR942. Also I have a question regarding the zoom function. Since I like to watch DVD movies using the zoom mode so I can remove the top and bottom bars on the screen while watching letterboxed movies would the video settings change since the image is zoomed. I am using your recommendation video settings with the Oppo.

Thanks

Pete

D-Nice would you use those settings for a Dish DVR942. Also I have a question regarding the zoom function. Since I like to watch DVD movies using the zoom mode so I can remove the top and bottom bars on the screen while watching letterboxed movies would the video settings change since the image is zoomed. I am using your recommendation video settings with the Oppo.

Thanks

Pete

Yes except for the color setting. Tweak that setting to your liking.

Here are some setting for you to use for your SA 4200 during the break-in period. After break-in, just turn the contrast up. make sure you turn your power save mode to save2.


Main Menu:
AV Selection: Pure
Contrast: 25
Brightness: -1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -2

Pro Adjust
Pure Cinema: ADV

Color Detail:
Color Temp: Manual


R High: -4
G High: -3
B High: -2
R Low: -4
G Low: -5
B Low: -2
CTI: Off

Color Management:
R: -1
Y: -4
G: -7
C: +6
B: -2
M: -1

NR:
DNR: Off
MPEG NR: Low

DRE:
DRE: High
Black Level: On
ACL: Off
Gamma: 2
Others:
I-P Mode: 1


Thanks D-Nice. So after the 100 hours all I have to adjust is the Contrast. How about the 79AVI DVD player. Should I be using the same settings. I see a Dynamic as well as a movie setting. Like I said, the DVD player says 480p as its output. Also, do you use change the power setting frome Save 2 to something else after the 100 hours.

Thanks again for all the help
John

Thanks D-Nice. So after the 100 hours all I have to adjust is the Contrast. How about the 79AVI DVD player. Should I be using the same settings. I see a Dynamic as well as a movie setting. Like I said, the DVD player says 480p as its output. Also, do you use change the power setting frome Save 2 to something else after the 100 hours.

Thanks again for all the help
John

You should use different settings for the 79avi. You can use "User" mode to save your settings for the 79avi.. You can purchase DVE to help you with those settings.

Leave it in save2 until you have reached 1000 hours.