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starmartyr 07-22-11, 05:16 PM ^^^^^^^^Congrats!!
I think the BW will be a perfect combo for your 4000. Definitely check back in with your customer opinion etc.
Have fun!
Thanks, will do!!
KJSmitty 08-02-11, 01:50 PM Thanks, will do!!
Greetings,
I was just wasting time doing a little surfing and checked out your gallery. Very nice work/equipment and pictures etc in your basement! Your comment in your signature block made me laugh on the "picking a house given possible theater space" etc... LOL, that is sooooo true for many of us I am sure.. :D We moved two years ago and the wife knew from the get-go that if the house did not have a dedicated/good media room it wouldn't make the cut! Your basement definitely has a good floor plan for several great living areas.
Your blackout curtains for the open floor/wall area will be nice - and provide some good acoustic action as well. You could also build a wall with two pocket or French doors etc.?
Do the white supports for the drop ceiling above your screen area bother you during movies? I struggled with that at a previous home/theater. I left it all white due to knowing we would only be in the house a relatively short period. I wanted so much to paint the entire area black but the then new spouse was not as accommodating to my theater needs as she is now near 17 years later.. :)
Anyway, just wanted to comment on a great job of setting up your space. Great colors, decorating etc - love the large couch.
Now to keep it on topic,,,, Has your Carada BW screen arrived yet? :D
Cheers
starmartyr 08-03-11, 12:00 PM Greetings,
I was just wasting time doing a little surfing and checked out your gallery. Very nice work/equipment and pictures etc in your basement! Your comment in your signature block made me laugh on the "picking a house given possible theater space" etc... LOL, that is sooooo true for many of us I am sure.. :D We moved two years ago and the wife knew from the get-go that if the house did not have a dedicated/good media room it wouldn't make the cut! Your basement definitely has a good floor plan for several great living areas.
Your blackout curtains for the open floor/wall area will be nice - and provide some good acoustic action as well. You could also build a wall with two pocket or French doors etc.?
Do the white supports for the drop ceiling above your screen area bother you during movies? I struggled with that at a previous home/theater. I left it all white due to knowing we would only be in the house a relatively short period. I wanted so much to paint the entire area black but the then new spouse was not as accommodating to my theater needs as she is now near 17 years later.. :)
Anyway, just wanted to comment on a great job of setting up your space. Great colors, decorating etc - love the large couch.
Now to keep it on topic,,,, Has your Carada BW screen arrived yet? :D
Cheers
Hi Smitty!
Thanks for all the nice comments and feedback! I get a great amount of inspiration from just looking through other people's galleries. That is a great feature of the Blu-ray forum, the gallery layout is great. It's more about threads here at AVS, but still great to read through and search out pics of people's gear and everything.
About my sig - lol, you gave me a laugh just thinking about it - I know that I frustrated one realtor to no end with my demands for good basement space! Definitely worth it though, there aren't many socks left on when people get a demo of the room ;)
Most of my friends/family keep wondering how it could get any better.. I shake my head at them and say, "You have no idea how much better it can get!!" Some peoples' setups are truly insane. I'm just trying to get to a point where I'm really happy with it, unfortunately the addiction has taken hold though! :p
To answer your questions, I did consider building a wall but I didn't want to make too many of my modifications permanent. I can actually tear down everything, paint, and have it back to exactly how it was before. I know I won't be here forever, and a dedicated room lowers the value of a house overall. For now the curtains should suffice. I don’t mind filling the whole room or house with sound, it's too late to soundproof anyway.
As far as the white grid, it doesn't bother me too much. I wrapped those front tiles in old black-out curtains, which worked great but was fairly time consuming. I wasn’t sure if I wanted to do the whole rest of the room – but then I recently found a supplier that carries black theater tiles, so I'll likely put those in the whole theater area. Apparently you can get black grid covers, but I can't find them here in Canada, and they are too expensive to ship. Either way it doesn't reflect that much, and doesn't really bother me so I don't think I'll paint it - too much hassle for too little return.
So! On to topic. I did get my screen. BUT… it was mangled!! The stupid Fed-Ex international handlers really did a number on it. Holes in the box, one end of the box crushed, even the black hole trim was rubbed through in several places! So Rex @ Carada is filing a claim with Fed-Ex and has already shipped another one. I believe they specially packaged this second one so it will hold up better if it's treated so roughly again. They package them pretty well anyway and apparently rarely have problems, but it could be that someone at one of the depots closer to me beat it up. So we’ll see what happens in another 6-7 days. Service at Carada has been great though! I'll keep updating as things happen.
mgkdragn 08-03-11, 12:07 PM With this mentality, not too many years left until most of us will either be speaking "Cantonese.........or shining Chinese businessmen' shoes". :mad:
I'm willing to pay a few bucks more to keep this country a float............ie. purchase "made in the USA" products.
Yep .. I won't slam monoprice, but it is worth something to buy USA .. yes, it's going to cost more .. yes, the quality may be close .. but there is a certain degree of satisfaction a citizen gets with USA goods ..
My Carada 110" BW Criterion has been hanging now for about 4 years, and it's flawless .. since a good screen is one of the few things that you really don't need to worry about upgrading, it's a great investment .. and I have no doubt I could change screen materials with Carada and the new material would snap right into my frame ..
If I only had the dinero for the Masquerade ... :o
Sherardp 08-07-11, 08:35 PM Yep .. I won't slam monoprice, but it is worth something to buy USA .. yes, it's going to cost more .. yes, the quality may be close .. but there is a certain degree of satisfaction a citizen gets with USA goods ..
My Carada 110" BW Criterion has been hanging now for about 4 years, and it's flawless .. since a good screen is one of the few things that you really don't need to worry about upgrading, it's a great investment .. and I have no doubt I could change screen materials with Carada and the new material would snap right into my frame ..
If I only had the dinero for the Masquerade ... :o
I share those exact same thoughts with you my friend. Would love the masking system as well. Had my screen shipped out here to Japan and it has been awesome.
rgathright 09-14-11, 11:01 AM How good will the Carada BW work with 3D??
KJSmitty 09-19-11, 10:52 AM How good will the Carada BW work with 3D??
Can't believe we didn't have any 3D ops /users chime in..
My PJ is 2D yet I would think the BW would work great for 3D projectors. Given that 3D and typical glasses tend to darken the image the extra gain of the BW would be beneficial etc..
goodsonr 10-19-11, 12:38 PM Hi All
Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of those praising Carada customer service.
When I was looking to buy a screen I had asked the forum what you get by paying more for Carada versus some others. The answer was ... "service". Since I do care about after-sales service I went with Carada.
Well, I did have problem with the screen they sent me and Rex really came through, doing whatever was needed to ensure that I was happy with my purchase (even some options I thought were overly generous on their part!!).
In the end, I'm totally happy and super-impressed with Carada service. They (Rex) really have been one of the best companies I've ever dealt with when it comes to making sure they have a satisfied customer.
10 thumbs up.
ron
AV Science sales 1 10-19-11, 01:00 PM Hi All
Just wanted to add my voice to the chorus of those praising Carada customer service.
When I was looking to buy a screen I had asked the forum what you get by paying more for Carada versus some others. The answer was ... "service". Since I do care about after-sales service I went with Carada.
Well, I did have problem with the screen they sent me and Rex really came through, doing whatever was needed to ensure that I was happy with my purchase (even some options I thought were overly generous on their part!!).
In the end, I'm totally happy and super-impressed with Carada service. They (Rex) really have been one of the best companies I've ever dealt with when it comes to making sure they have a satisfied customer.
10 thumbs up.
ron
Them along with other reputable screen manufacturers set themselves apart by their customer service. I just recently had two issues come up, one with a Black Diamond screen and one with a Firehawk Screen. both were handled professionally and promptly. In both cases, they were more concerned about a happy customer as opposed to a dollar figure. Same with Carada, they provide an amazing service after screen has been purchased.
Benito
Jive Turkey 10-19-11, 07:45 PM Them along with other reputable screen manufacturers set themselves apart by their customer service. I just recently had two issues come up, one with a Black Diamond screen and one with a Firehawk Screen. both were handled professionally and promptly. In both cases, they were more concerned about a happy customer as opposed to a dollar figure. Same with Carada, they provide an amazing service after screen has been purchased.
Benito
Hmmmm...being a Carada thread, one has to hear a little bit of a sales pitch for non-Carada screens going on here. I'm a big AVS fan, I bought my projector from you guys, but let's be a little less obvious please.
Jive Turkey 10-19-11, 07:49 PM If I only had the dinero for the Masquerade ... :o
Now that Carada has sold a zillion Masquerade's by now ( ;) ), the economies of scale should kick in soon, don't you think? When it's $1,500, I'm all in. Till then, my DIY manual setup will have to do.
A dude can dream, can't he?
effdbee 10-21-11, 07:57 PM Hi, new to avsforum but relied on y'all to build my HT. Have the brand new Panny AE7000 installed and about to order a Precision BW 118". Going with BW as my theater dimensions are 13'by 33' w/ seating @ 13', not a wide angle and want to experience the best 3D the AE7000 can offer. BTW I am running Hsu: 11 satellites, the HSU MBM and the HSU HLS-15 sub (11.2) based on great things I read here and elsewhere, powered by an Onkyo 807. Any advice is welcome. I will gladly share experience and results.
frontside720 10-21-11, 10:13 PM Here's my question...
Sony projector VPL-VW95ES 3D
Ambient Light 20% of time
Dark 80% of time
Looking for 110" screen.
Recomendations?
I want to be able to put the hockey game on with the lights on 20% of the time. Watch movies or tv 80% of the time in controlled environment.
I think much of the answer lies in how much light you mean by "ambient". I often watch sports and tv with my over head lights at about 70% with my VPL-VW60, but any higher starts to look washed out, and that's on a comparatively small 88" CCW precision screen.
HogPilot 11-28-11, 08:17 AM Things have been a little quiet around here - is Carada working on a new product at all? I can hope that at some point they will introduce some sort of CIH AT screen/masking solution, but I think that's just a pipe dream. If anyone could do it right for the right price, it would be Carada!
cbaseuser 11-28-11, 03:10 PM I think Carada should offer a high power/high gain solution. With all the 3D projectors hitting the market (as well as people who just want a high gain screen), it just seems logical.
Sherardp 11-28-11, 06:18 PM I think Carada should offer a high power/high gain solution. With all the 3D projectors hitting the market (as well as people who just want a high gain screen), it just seems logical.
Agreed, still love my current Criterion screen. Also hoping they would come out with higher gain screen material. Something that can be retrofitted in the frame without having to replace the entire thing.
I just got my first carada screen. I'm having an issue with one of the top frame buttons being off by about an inch. I'm unable to strech this one button far enough for me to snap it into place. all of the other buttons are already snapped down. Anyone else have this issue? The screen droops down without this button.
I just got my first carada screen. I'm having an issue with one of the top frame buttons being off by about an inch. I'm unable to strech this one button far enough for me to snap it into place. all of the other buttons are already snapped down. Anyone else have this issue? The screen droops down without this button.
All I can suggest is to call Carada. I've never seen customer service done so well. The bottom line is that they'll make it right.
All I can suggest is to call Carada. I've never seen customer service done so well. The bottom line is that they'll make it right.
Agreed. Before that, you might try unsnapping a few buttons around the trouble spot, and complete the fastening from a different location (ie a few inches/feet away).
KJSmitty 12-03-11, 07:56 PM I just got my first carada screen. I'm having an issue with one of the top frame buttons being off by about an inch. I'm unable to strech this one button far enough for me to snap it into place. all of the other buttons are already snapped down. Anyone else have this issue? The screen droops down without this button.
Could you happen to have the frame sides reversed or fabric screen rotated/upside down as in 180 degrees off? Been awhile since I installed mine thus don't remember if having either frame or screen "put together wrong" is even possible.
Either way - as mentioned, Carada will make it right, quickly..
Sherardp 12-03-11, 09:09 PM Some of the snaps may seem off you have to stretch the material. Try to do so without damaging the screen material though.
Chrisx510 12-04-11, 03:39 AM Things have been a little quiet around here - is Carada working on a new product at all? I can hope that at some point they will introduce some sort of CIH AT screen/masking solution, but I think that's just a pipe dream. If anyone could do it right for the right price, it would be Carada!
I'm in the same dream! I'm currently using a Carada screen but will be selling my A/V gear off soon. I'll be doing another theater in my new house. I planned on going with a Carada CIH Masking System but an AT screen will work best for my setup so I'll be forced to go with someone else unless Carada surprises us.
A lot of people love Carada. They make a great product IMO. The only thing they lack is not having an AT screen in their lineup of great products. If they can do some AT materials and even some manual masking panels for some of those who don't have the money for a motorized system they would be set!
Dear David Giles bring AT Screens to the Carada! :D
Jive Turkey 12-04-11, 07:03 PM I'm in the same dream! I'm currently using a Carada screen but will be selling my A/V gear off soon. I'll be doing another theater in my new house. I planned on going with a Carada CIH Masking System but an AT screen will work best for my setup so I'll be forced to go with someone else unless Carada surprises us.
A lot of people love Carada. They make a great product IMO. The only thing they lack is not having an AT screen in their lineup of great products. If they can do some AT materials and even some manual masking panels for some of those who don't have the money for a motorized system they would be set!
Dear David Giles bring AT Screens to the Carada! :D
As a Carada screen owner, I too wish they had a masking product less expensive than the Masquerade. Till then, I've got a manual DIY system that does the job very well, with not a lot of effort or money. Search the DIY screen forum for "my latest masking trial" if interested.
Brunnerboy 12-05-11, 11:21 AM Precision or Criterion? I have about 64" in height to work with. Based on the specs, should I get a 114" Criterion BW or a 118" Precision BW.
The facts:
Room: Complete light control
Projector: Epson 7500ub
Seating: 1st row: 11 feet 2nd row: 17.5 feet
Room Color: A very dark midnight blue
Does the beveled frame make that big of a difference? I'm going to have black curtains on each side of the screen.
MarkMac 12-05-11, 12:21 PM Precision or Criterion?...
Does the beveled frame make that big of a difference? I'm going to have black curtains on each side of the screen.
I went with a Precision frame in order to eek out a couple more inches of screen size, but I sometimes wish I had ordered a Criterion because of its beveled frame. While the beveled screen is a little nicer looking, I have it on a black wall, so it really isn't that noticeable. The reason I sometimes wish for the beveled frame is because the Precision screen casts small shadows onto the left and right sides of the screen when the lights in my theater are turned up. I have no ceiling lighting in the room, but I have wall sconces on the left and right walls. When the lights are on, the light from my forward-most sconces actually creates a small (about 1" wide) shadow on either side of the screen. With a beveled screen, this wouldn't be an issue.
Again, no problems when the lights are out, but when I'm watching TV (sports, etc.) and want the lights on, it always bugs me a bit.
This may not be an issue, though, depending on where your lights are located.
Does the beveled frame make that big of a difference? I'm going to have black curtains on each side of the screen.
If you are mounting the projector above the top of the screen (or below the bottom I guess) then it will make a difference since the non-bevelled one will cast a shadow.
I love my bevels. Looks classy.
Brunnerboy 12-06-11, 11:13 PM Thanks for the help!
I took a 2x4 and attached it to the wall with command strips to see what shadows may show up. Looks like it would make a pretty strong shadow with my sconces as well.
Looks like it's the 114 criterion for me!
KJSmitty 12-07-11, 10:06 AM Thanks for the help!
I took a 2x4 and attached it to the wall with command strips to see what shadows may show up. Looks like it would make a pretty strong shadow with my sconces as well.
Looks like it's the 114 criterion for me!
That was a great idea/test!
With my ceiling mounted PJ and side sconces I had the same issue - went with the Criterion. Couldn't be happier. Great looking and very rigid - keeps the screen stretched perfectly.
Cheers
yes, the precision does cast shadows, but ALL of my viewing is in the dark so it doesn't matter....what matters is that I have a slightly bigger screen than what the Criterion would have done for me (two light sconces in between the screen)....YMMV. BTW I have the BW 115" and love it!
MadMyers 01-01-12, 07:11 PM I'm confused by UMR's "accucal front projection screen report" where he indicates the Brilliant White is "mostly color neutral" and didn't mark it as "recommended". Perhaps someone can help me interpret the data?
For the Brilliant White, we got
On Axis Max. xy = 0.006
On Axis Avg. xy = 0.002
Off Axis Max. xy = 0.006
Off Axis Avg. xy = 0.003
However, the Solar HD (which was marked as recommended) was
On Axis Max. xy = 0.004 (0.006)
On Axis Avg. xy = 0.002 (0.002)
Off Axis Max. xy = 0.006 (0.006)
Off Axis Avg. xy = 0.003 (0.003)
[Update: number is parenthesis is for BW]
Which doesn't seem all that different to me. If the averages are the same, but BW has a worse max, that must also means that BW also has a better "best" (otherwise the average would be the same!).
Any thoughts on this?
... Altan
I'm confused by UMR's "accucal front projection screen report" where he indicates the Brilliant White is "mostly color neutral" and didn't mark it as "recommended". Perhaps someone can help me interpret the data?
For the Brilliant White, we got
On Axis Max. xy = 0.006
On Axis Avg. xy = 0.002
Off Axis Max. xy = 0.006
Off Axis Avg. xy = 0.003
However, the Solar HD (which was marked as recommended) was
On Axis Max. xy = 0.004 (0.006)
On Axis Avg. xy = 0.002 (0.002)
Off Axis Max. xy = 0.006 (0.006)
Off Axis Avg. xy = 0.003 (0.003)
[Update: number is parenthesis is for BW]
Which doesn't seem all that different to me. If the averages are the same, but BW has a worse max, that must also means that BW also has a better "best" (otherwise the average would be the same!).
Any thoughts on this?
... Altan
It is not recommended because the gain they promised was not there and it offered less than stellar color. I see no reason to purchase this over the Classic Cinema White.
KJSmitty 01-04-12, 10:59 AM It is not recommended because the gain they promised was not there and it offered less than stellar color. I see no reason to purchase this over the Classic Cinema White.
Where can one find this "Report?"
Thanks
Terence 01-05-12, 10:05 AM Where can one find this "Report?"
Thanks
http://accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf
KJSmitty 01-05-12, 07:02 PM Thanks.
Stupid question, is there a top and bottom of the screen material? I guess I didn't pay attention when I put the screen together last week. I just came across the instructions when I was cleaning and I see the top of the screen should have been labeled with a "T" I dont remember seeing that, so I am wondering if I put it together upside down. I don't have anyone around to help me take it down until the weekend.
Rex Bittle 01-09-12, 08:47 PM Hi mmarki,
There isn't an orientation to the material that requires it to be turned one way or the other. We mark a top and bottom based on how we snap each screen. In a couple of sizes and aspect ratios it makes a difference in the snap pattern but most of the time they are mirrored on each side and it doesn't matter.
In the end, if the material is flat all around the frame, everything is fine the way you have it. You would be able to easily see if something wasn't working.
Let me know if I can help you further mmarki.
Hi mmarki,
There isn't an orientation to the material that requires it to be turned one way or the other. We mark a top and bottom based on how we snap each screen. In a couple of sizes and aspect ratios it makes a difference in the snap pattern but most of the time they are mirrored on each side and it doesn't matter.
In the end, if the material is flat all around the frame, everything is fine the way you have it. You would be able to easily see if something wasn't working.
Let me know if I can help you further mmarki.
Thanks Rex! Everything is fine with screen. Flat all around the frame. This is my second screen from Carada, the first one was a 92 BW that was great. Now we have a 106 BW and love it. My Sony 95 looks great on it, in 2d and 3d.
denm316 01-12-12, 10:34 AM I have been in the initial planning stages for a home theater. I really want to go with Carada for the screen.
Now I know they don't make AT screens, just curious is there that much lost if I was to put the three front speakers behind a non-AT screen like a Carada.
Just curious, thanks for the help.
-Dennis
KJSmitty 01-12-12, 11:24 AM I have been in the initial planning stages for a home theater. I really want to go with Carada for the screen.
Now I know they don't make AT screens, just curious is there that much lost if I was to put the three front speakers behind a non-AT screen like a Carada.
Just curious, thanks for the help.
-Dennis
Yes,
It would be like placing them behind a very thick piece of plastic/vinyl.
CrocDoc 01-17-12, 06:23 PM I need some help understanding this article:
http://accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf
I think I will call Carada and see if they can explain. Something seems really strange that their “Classic Cinema White” rates at .97 gain while the "Brilliant White" screen rates at only 1.03 gain. Isn’t the "Brilliant White" going to be noticeably brighter than the Classic Cinema? If you read on page 9 "Test Conditions" it says this in paragraph 2:
"The Carada Classic Cinema White screen used in these tests is the screen installed in this theater. All other screen materials in these tests were samples from Da-Lite. Screen gain measurements could be influenced by the screen samples not being tensioned like the Carada. Multiple at-tempts were made to position the sample to keep the sample flat in the area being measured. All screen samples were taped to the Carada screen for measurement. Only one screen sample was used for each screen material tested. None of the samples appeared to be damaged."
If I put the "Brilliant White" next to the "Classic Cinema" then I shouldn't see a difference in brightness because according to this report there is only a 0.06 difference in on axis gain between them.
Check out this review:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/carada/Screen_Criterion_16x9/index.php
Make note to read under "Screen Brightness"...
Let me know what you think.
Thanks.
Mike_WI 01-18-12, 12:18 PM I need some help understanding this article:
http://accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf
I think I will call Carada and see if they can explain. Something seems really strange that their “Classic Cinema White” rates at .97 gain while the "Brilliant White" screen rates at only 1.03 gain. Isn’t the "Brilliant White" going to be noticeably brighter than the Classic Cinema? If you read on page 9 "Test Conditions" it says this in paragraph 2:
"The Carada Classic Cinema White screen used in these tests is the screen installed in this theater. All other screen materials in these tests were samples from Da-Lite. Screen gain measurements could be influenced by the screen samples not being tensioned like the Carada. Multiple at-tempts were made to position the sample to keep the sample flat in the area being measured. All screen samples were taped to the Carada screen for measurement. Only one screen sample was used for each screen material tested. None of the samples appeared to be damaged."
If I put the "Brilliant White" next to the "Classic Cinema" then I shouldn't see a difference in brightness because according to this report there is only a 0.06 difference in on axis gain between them.
Check out this review:
http://www.projectorreviews.com/carada/Screen_Criterion_16x9/index.php
Make note to read under "Screen Brightness"...
Let me know what you think.
Thanks.
Per your link above...
Brilliant White
This is not an accurate method of measure for several reasons, but the numbers yielded a gain of just under 1.3.
CrocDoc 01-18-12, 12:59 PM Per your link above...
Brilliant White
Now you can see why I am confused. I don’t think projectorreviews #’s were very accurate (as they say). But don’t understand how the article (First Link) can say there is not really any difference between the CCS and the BW…
domingos38 01-18-12, 02:02 PM i had a sample of the BW 1.4 from Carada and a sample from Elite's CineWhite 1.1 Gain and DID NOT NOTICE ANY DIFERENCE when projecting the same image on both samples side by side
CrocDoc 01-18-12, 02:20 PM i had a sample of the BW 1.4 from Carada and a sample from Elite's CineWhite 1.1 Gain and DID NOT NOTICE ANY DIFERENCE when projecting the same image on both samples side by side
This info helps answer the question. So it sounds like the BW is closer to 1.1 gain than 1.4...
R Harkness 01-18-12, 03:25 PM This info helps answer the question. So it sounds like the BW is closer to 1.1 gain than 1.4...
That seems to be the consensus of people who have measured it.
The Classic Cinema White still measures lower gain than the BW material.
I have samples of the CCW and the BW, and also a full screen of the BW material, and the BW material is noticeably brighter with projected images than the CCW. (Not a lot brighter, but noticeably to be sure).
The BW material is absolutely terrific screen material, easily one of my favorites, when used in the appropriate application (e.g. best in a light controlled room).
CrocDoc 01-18-12, 03:37 PM That seems to be the consensus of people who have measured it.
The Classic Cinema White still measures lower gain than the BW material.
I have samples of the CCW and the BW, and also a full screen of the BW material, and the BW material is noticeably brighter with projected images than the CCW. (Not a lot brighter, but noticeably to be sure).
The BW material is absolutely terrific screen material, easily one of my favorites, when used in the appropriate application (e.g. best in a light controlled room).
I would expect the BW to be brighter than the CCW. It wouldn’t be worth the price premium if it wasn’t different. Curious, what screens did you compare the BW with before deciding on it? I have a light controlled basement and will be using the Epson 5010 and want the brightest 2D/3D I can get on a 126” 16.9 at a 12 ½ ft throw. I really like Carada. Especially the customer service.
akrauss 01-27-12, 06:01 PM Hi all. Three somewhat related questions:
1) Screen Choice - I have had my 5010e projector running for a few weeks and am ready for a screen. I have a fully light controlled room (approx. 20 x 22), but not a "bat cave." White ceiling , dark blue walls on three sides and yellow on the front (was previously kids playroom). Throw distance is approx. 11 1/2 feet, with ceiling mount. I can not move the projector any further back, b/c the ceiling pitches down at a fairly extreme angle. I havent measured my viewing angle cone, but it is not extreme on either side. I have projector in eco mode and either normal or living room. I was considering a 102 inch Carada BW. Spoke to Rex at Carada today and he suggested I go with the Classic, as he felt the BW would be too bright at the cost of black level. It seems like a number of people in the Epson forum, have the Carada BW paired with this projector, although many have greater screen size and throw distance. I would appreciate any comments as to appropriate screen for my situation and specifically if anyone who has the BW in a similar set up is happy. I note that a number of reviews have reported that the BW is not actually 1.4 gain, so perhaps I should go with the BW and be done ?
2) Image Uniformity Issues - I am unable to get a properly justified 16:9 image. I know a few others have reported this problem and some were fixed by adjusting the level of the projector. I tried for over an hour and couldnt fix it. As noted above, I am currently projecting onto a painted paneled wall. Projector is ceiling mounted and I am using a fair amount of V&H lens shift. I have the peerless UNV geared ceiling mount. When I project an approx. 103 inch image (almost maxed out in size), my measurements are as follows: Height - 50 5/8 inches (left side), 49 5/8 inches (right side) & Length - 89 3/8 inches (bottom), 90 5/8 inches top. If I zoom out to max size I get the following measurements: 51 5/8 inches (left), 50 5/8 inches (right) & 91 1/2 inches (bottom), 92 7/8 inches (top). I am pulling my hair out trying to fix this ! Could someone please walk me through a possible fix. Could it be my wall ? If so, should I wait until I get my screen up and stop driving myself crazy now ? Although, if its the wall, wouldnt that carry through to the screen, unless I start using shims ? How do I determine if projector is precisely level, when ceiling mounted ? Also, as the projector surface does not appear entirely flat, where would I even lay the level ?
3) Question related to both of the above - Given the limitations on my projected image size and the image uniformity issues, I was considering the Carada 102" which has a viewing area of 88.9 inches by 50 inches. This way, I can be confident I wont end up being unable to fill the screen, although I might have overscan onto the frame. Does this approach make sense ?
Thanks as always to all for the great info !
CrocDoc 01-27-12, 07:45 PM Hi all. Three somewhat related questions:
1) Screen Choice - I have had my 5010e projector running for a few weeks and am ready for a screen. I have a fully light controlled room (approx. 20 x 22), but not a "bat cave." White ceiling , dark blue walls on three sides and yellow on the front (was previously kids playroom). Throw distance is approx. 11 1/2 feet, with ceiling mount. I can not move the projector any further back, b/c the ceiling pitches down at a fairly extreme angle. I havent measured my viewing angle cone, but it is not extreme on either side. I have projector in eco mode and either normal or living room. I was considering a 102 inch Carada BW. Spoke to Rex at Carada today and he suggested I go with the Classic, as he felt the BW would be too bright at the cost of black level. It seems like a number of people in the Epson forum, have the Carada BW paired with this projector, although many have greater screen size and throw distance. I would appreciate any comments as to appropriate screen for my situation and specifically if anyone who has the BW in a similar set up is happy. I note that a number of reviews have reported that the BW is not actually 1.4 gain, so perhaps I should go with the BW and be done ?
2) Image Uniformity Issues - I am unable to get a properly justified 16:9 image. I know a few others have reported this problem and some were fixed by adjusting the level of the projector. I tried for over an hour and couldnt fix it. As noted above, I am currently projecting onto a painted paneled wall. Projector is ceiling mounted and I am using a fair amount of V&H lens shift. I have the peerless UNV geared ceiling mount. When I project an approx. 103 inch image (almost maxed out in size), my measurements are as follows: Height - 50 5/8 inches (left side), 49 5/8 inches (right side) & Length - 89 3/8 inches (bottom), 90 5/8 inches top. If I zoom out to max size I get the following measurements: 51 5/8 inches (left), 50 5/8 inches (right) & 91 1/2 inches (bottom), 92 7/8 inches (top). I am pulling my hair out trying to fix this ! Could someone please walk me through a possible fix. Could it be my wall ? If so, should I wait until I get my screen up and stop driving myself crazy now ? Although, if its the wall, wouldnt that carry through to the screen, unless I start using shims ? How do I determine if projector is precisely level, when ceiling mounted ? Also, as the projector surface does not appear entirely flat, where would I even lay the level ?
3) Question related to both of the above - Given the limitations on my projected image size and the image uniformity issues, I was considering the Carada 102" which has a viewing area of 88.9 inches by 50 inches. This way, I can be confident I wont end up being unable to fill the screen, although I might have overscan onto the frame. Does this approach make sense ?
Thanks as always to all for the great info !
I got my 5010E mount installed and leveled (torpedo level works great for this) and I will be able to fit a 126" screen just like I wanted to with my 12 ½ ft throw. I am projecting onto a dark khaki wall and it actually has great contrast. It is real close to the dark gray cinema screen material that Carada sent me. I taped up the samples from Da-Lite and Carada at the same time so I could see the difference between them side by side. Here are my impressions so far:
I had it on Cinema (Eco) and the iris set to fast:
Da-Lite Cinema Vision 1.3 gain- It has less gain then the Carada Classic Cinema White (1.0 gain) I didn't care for it at all.
Da-Lite HP 2.4 gain- This reminds me of a reflector, it will reflect light only when the light and your eye are at just the right level. This was real bright when the projector was sitting on a table, but once I mounted it from the ceiling I couldn't tell the difference between it and the Carada Brilliant White.
Carada Brilliant White 1.4 gain- This was really bright and made any light that hit it look bright and was really close to the HP material. My wife who knows nothing about this stuff picked this screen material as the one she liked the most. She compared it to our LCD TV.
Carada Classic Cinema White 1.0 gain- This material surprised me a lot. It was bright, but not too bright. In several scenes this looked no different than the BW, but if a "sun" in a scene shot onto it and the BW the BW was brighter by a little bit. The thing that surprised me the most about this material is the contrast. On dark scenes it was a little bit darker then the BW. If a scene like space was on the black level was just blacker then on the BW. The BW raises the brightness and the black level equally. This is where it was really hard for me to decide between these two.
The projector is new so as it gets dimmer it will be nice to have that little bit of extra brightness of the BW, but I also enjoyed the darker blacks with the CCW.
I tried 3D with the Epson glasses and the BW had the edge in a little brighter picture and seemed to have more depth to it. At different viewing angles the BW held the brightness better than the CCW IMO.
IMO, I would get the biggest screen you can fit and have room for a little over scan so that you don’t end up with a white frame around your picture. To make sure your projector is square with your screen wall use a tape measure and measure from the top left corner from the screen to the projector lens and do the same for the right. The two measurements should match if it is square.
Also worth noting is Carada’s customer service. I called and spoke with Rex for 30 min and he was most helpful and knowledgeable and answered all of my questions.
When I called Da-Lite to get screen samples, I was on the phone for 3 minutes, long enough to tell him what I wanted and my address. The guy sounded like he was having a bad day and seem bothered to even talk to me. I know everyone will have different experiences, but to me this left a bad taste in my mouth for Da-Lite. (I didn’t let this experience sway my decision on which screen I liked better either)
I have a convergence (pixel alignment) issue with my 5010e and Epson is going to send me a new one, but the 5010e’s are on back-order. Hopefully you don’t have the same issue as me with yours.
No worries about your screen taking on the shape of your wall. The screen will stay true (flat) as it is rigid and hangs on very stiff support brackets that screw into studs.
I would say stick with your option #3 for safety sake.
I hope this helps.
DLP92SUCAZ 02-02-12, 03:43 AM Hey Guys! Just got a JVC rs45 and am trying to decide between the critereon CCW 2.35 120" or BW. Any help is apreiciated. I plan mostly 2D movies in a very dark room, Ill also be zooming since i dont have an anamorphic lens
blee0120 02-02-12, 10:21 AM Hey Guys! Just got a JVC rs45 and am trying to decide between the critereon CCW 2.35 120" or BW. Any help is apreiciated. I plan mostly 2D movies in a very dark room, Ill also be zooming since i dont have an anamorphic lens
I have had both and prefer the BW because of the little extra gain.
DLP92SUCAZ 02-02-12, 07:07 PM I have had both and prefer the BW because of the little extra gain.
Thanks, What Projector do you have?
R Harkness 02-03-12, 11:50 AM Carada Brilliant White 1.4 gain- This was really bright and made any light that hit it look bright and was really close to the HP material. My wife who knows nothing about this stuff picked this screen material as the one she liked the most. She compared it to our LCD TV.
Just so folks aren't mislead here: The Carada BW material is nowhere near the gain of the HP material. The HP material is supposed to be used with the projector more level with the screen to realise it's gain, which is why most people would buy a high gain screen like the HP. In the conditions it's normally used, the HP screen will be MUCH brighter, not even close (I've had both). I know you said you weren't using the HP as it's normally meant to be used, but some reading may not know the implications, given your comparison with the Carada material.
That's not to say either is "better" since it depends upon what someone is trying to achieve in their set up. I can like the HP for it's "wow" brightness sometimes, and I love the Carada BW for giving deeper black levels than the HP (given the same projector brightness) and much wider, more even viewing angles. (If I had to choose either screen to live with, personally I'd choose the Carada because I love it's smooth, even image/viewing angles, but that's me).
Depends what you want.
CrocDoc 02-03-12, 03:17 PM Da-Lite HP 2.4 gain- This reminds me of a reflector, it will reflect light only when the light and your eye are at just the right level. This was real bright when the projector was sitting on a table, but once I mounted it from the ceiling I couldn't tell the difference between it and the Carada Brilliant White.
I think what I wrote got taken out of context. When the projector was sitting on the “table” at eye level the HP material was like a reflector and was considerably brighter than the BW. When using the HP material it is meant to be used with the projector at eye level. When the projector was mounted on the ceiling with the HP and BW samples next to each other I couldn’t tell a difference in brightness between the two.
DLP92SUCAZ 02-04-12, 04:07 AM Just ordered my 2.35 BW 120"! Cant Wait:D
CrocDoc 02-04-12, 07:49 AM Just ordered my 2.35 BW 120"! Cant Wait:D
Great! Let us know what you think when you get it put up. ;)
Is there a reason why more people don't talk about the 1.0 Classic Cinema White material? Especially for black levels and viewing angles.
Just ordered my 2.35 BW 120"! Cant Wait:D
welcome to the club;)
mariokrt64 02-04-12, 05:33 PM I wonder how bright a Mitsu 6800 may look when projecting to a 124 in diagonal screen? I am thinking Carada Brilliant white, 1.4 gain, 2.35:1...PJ at 14-15 ft. from screen... Planning on using Mitsh HC6800 PJ CIH capabilities.
Currently own the HC6800 with an Elite Sliverframe 100GH1, 16:9, 100 in diag., 1.8 gain, from short throw of about 10 ft., 1400 hrs on low lamp, but considering upgrade to a JVC HD-100 (RS-2) or HD-550 (RS-15), low lamp, low hrs.
Anyone with any of these/similar arrangements?
How many FtL image brightness could I expect? Could I expect a big drop in brightness from my current setup? I would not like a too dim image...
thks in advance
wickedg8gt 02-04-12, 09:58 PM I own an Epson 5010 and a Carada Criterion Series 134in B/W screen for about two weeks now. My 5010 is about 17ft from my screen. I love the screen and the customer service is excellent. As I stated in the 5010 thread I am thinking about swapping the b/w for the classic white or getting a masking system. I watch movies on the "Livingroom mode" which is 2nd to the brightest mode because I love a bright image with good color accuracy.
My discretion is the blacks. The black level when watching a movie is amazing but the bars on top and bottom aren't as dark and noticable.
blee0120 02-04-12, 11:47 PM I own an Epson 5010 and a Carada Criterion Series 134in B/W screen for about two weeks now. My 5010 is about 17ft from my screen. I love the screen and the customer service is excellent. As I stated in the 5010 thread I am thinking about swapping the b/w for the classic white or getting a masking system. I watch movies on the "Livingroom mode" which is 2nd to the brightest mode because I love a bright image with good color accuracy.
My discretion is the blacks. The black level when watching a movie is amazing but the bars on top and bottom aren't as dark and noticable.
I say get a cinemascope screen. I have a da lite HP screen and I didn't like it at all. The bars looked too gray because of my 16:9 screen. So, I got a got a SI neutral screen, Gamma 4K screen. Since my HP screen was a pull down, I just pulled it down to the cinemascope height, and it looked amazing without the bars. It made the blacks look great with the bright images. It made a world of difference by having a cinemascope screen compared to a 16:9 screen.
I have a Carada CW screen in my room and my SI Gamma 4K screen, which is in my theater room. My SI screen retails for $2500, which is 1/3 less than Carada and I must say, its no difference. I got my SI screen for free from a friend, so I wasn't out any money. In your situation, I would keep the BW. The extra gain always help
scarpenter002 02-05-12, 12:35 AM I will be ordering my Carada 112" BW Criterion - 2.35 to 1 next week. It will be paired up with the Panny AE4000U. I am going with the BW over the CCW because my throw will be about 16' and I need the extra gain.
Thanks to all of you on this thread and over on the Monoprice Screen thread. Between the extra gain and all of you talking about the WONDERFUL customer service from Carada, it has really helped me to feel at ease about paying a little bit more for the Carada.
Thanks again,
Scott
KJSmitty 02-05-12, 07:59 AM I wonder how bright a Mitsu 6800 may look when projecting to a 124 in diagonal screen? I am thinking Carada Brilliant white, 1.4 gain, 2.35:1...PJ at 14-15 ft. from screen... Planning on using Mitsh HC6800 PJ CIH capabilities.
Currently own the HC6800 with an Elite Sliverframe 100GH1, 16:9, 100 in diag., 1.8 gain, from short throw of about 10 ft., 1400 hrs on low lamp, but considering upgrade to a JVC HD-100 (RS-2) or HD-550 (RS-15), low lamp, low hrs.
Anyone with any of these/similar arrangements?
How many FtL image brightness could I expect? Could I expect a big drop in brightness from my current setup? I would not like a too dim image...
thks in advance
I don't know the specs on the Mitsu 6800 but I run the RS15 and a Carada 126inch BW 16:9 in a
Iight controlled HT (13.5 foot throw distance). I have not had nor have the means to measure the current FtL yet with nearing 1000 hours on the lamp, I still only use normal mode and the picture still shocks me at times on its brightness. The BW and the RS15 go well together.
- Just an opinion for ya - sorry can't provide any substantiating numbers etc.. :-)
mariokrt64 02-05-12, 07:16 PM I don't know the specs on the Mitsu 6800 but I run the RS15 and a Carada 126inch BW 16:9 in a
Iight controlled HT (13.5 foot throw distance). I have not had nor have the means to measure the current FtL yet with nearing 1000 hours on the lamp, I still only use normal mode and the picture still shocks me at times on its brightness. The BW and the RS15 go well together.
- Just an opinion for ya - sorry can't provide any substantiating numbers etc.. :-)
Thanks...I guess it would be a step-up from my current Mitsu HC6800..much better contrast wich is one of the weakness of the Mitsu..otherwise very sharp, bright, nice PJ...Happy to hear the Carada will be an excellent match for the JVC...Let see how it goes and if I finally decide to pull the plug...on both..hopefully....
BTW..have you heared about problems with the RS-15/HD-550...I have read complaints about pink lines, etc.....would appreciatte your input....
thanks....
KJSmitty 02-05-12, 10:55 PM Thanks...I guess it would be a step-up from my current Mitsu HC6800..much better contrast wich is one of the weakness of the Mitsu..otherwise very sharp, bright, nice PJ...Happy to hear the Carada will be an excellent match for the JVC...Let see how it goes and if I finally decide to pull the plug...on both..hopefully....
BTW..have you heared about problems with the RS-15/HD-550...I have read complaints about pink lines, etc.....would appreciatte your input....
thanks....
Yes, I have read about / the several folks posting on the pink line issues on the 15/550. Not a huge amount yet the few that have make you nervous. Sounds like most issues spawn at about 2 years old and 1500-2000ish hrs on the unit. As mentioned, I'm just under 1000 hrs and the unit is 28 months old. Other than cleaning the bulb housing and prism - and fan filter mine has been worry free. I do have it on a current regulator, conditioner and UPS. Have no idea if that has helped or not but I guess I'll have to wait until I get more hours on the unit to see if mine is one of those affected etc. It's not like you get 100s of google hits on the issue thus I hope it's very isolated. I was really hoping/expecting the RS-15 to last me a good 5 years or until LED PJs were the next upgrade etc.
I asked before, but I thought I'd ask once more. I opted for the CCW material @ 96" because my projector puts out ample lumens, and I want a wide viewing angle with true colors and no hot spots.
Are Carada fans going with the brilliant white because of screen size, or is there another reason I seem to be noticing more BW customers than CCW?
scarpenter002 02-06-12, 02:40 AM Are Carada fans going with the brilliant white because of screen size, or is there another reason I seem to be noticing more BW customers than CCW?
Going with BW only because of my long through distance. I need just a little bit more gain to make sure my image is not too dim.
KJSmitty 02-06-12, 08:39 AM I asked before, but I thought I'd ask once more. I opted for the CCW material @ 96" because my projector puts out ample lumens, and I want a wide viewing angle with true colors and no hot spots.
Are Carada fans going with the brilliant white because of screen size, or is there another reason I seem to be noticing more BW customers than CCW?
My choice was based of both screen size and knowing PJ bulbs "dim" as they age. From new to about 700 hrs on my RS15 I ran normal power and a medium Aperture setting to control any exces brightness. Today, near 1000 hrs I still use normal vs high on the bulb power yet have had to bump the Aperture to full open/bright for some viewing. The RS15 bulb is said to have a 3000 hr life yet realistically is probably more like 2000-2500. I've read where many PJ owners end up running high power bulb settings from mid to end of the bulbs life to achieve a given brightness. Obviously high power also decreases a bulbs life - thus for me a tad bit of gain increase in the screen was also good for possibly extending bulb life etc.
Cheers
mariokrt64 02-06-12, 04:59 PM What about sharpness? Would you loose too much image sharpness while going to such a large screen (from my current 100 in diag.)?
What about sharpness? Would you loose too much image sharpness while going to such a large screen (from my current 100 in diag.)?
depends on your seating distance....most of the time, with the resolution of today's pj's, you would have to throw a pretty big image to lose 'apparent' sharpness to one's eye. Of course a 60" screen size will appear to be sharper, but it's only 60";) I've seen a lot of people going with a 150" with no complaints, although I wouldn't go that big...I have a 115" 2.40 Carada at a 12ft seating distance....still very immersive with no noticeable drop in sharpness (I'm doing the zoom method).
mariokrt64 02-06-12, 11:16 PM I sit about 12-13 ft. with my current setup (Mitsu HC6800, low lamp, Elite SilverFrame 100 in, 1.8 gain). Cannot se any pixel structure at all, sharpness is good, preety bright...just that my screen feels kind of smalish at that distance.....
I sit about 12-13 ft. with my current setup (Mitsu HC6800, low lamp, Elite SilverFrame 100 in, 1.8 gain). Cannot se any pixel structure at all, sharpness is good, preety bright...just that my screen feels kind of smalish at that distance.....
you could jump up to a 120" 2.40:1 screen from that seating distance. I have a 115", and it was pretty noticeable from a 100" that I had previously....
starmartyr 02-09-12, 12:29 PM Just to reiterate what's been said here in bits and pieces, from everything I've read and researched about Carada screens it does appear the Brilliant White material is basically a unity gain screen, meaning it is closest to a 1.0 - 1.1 gain. The Classic Cinema White material is more like 0.8 gain, as it loses quite a bit of light due to the thinness of the material. The BW tends to be their across the board recommendation as it is thicker and loses less light, and has a slight bit of gain. It is the material most people would be happiest with in most situations.
I own a 128" Criterion with Brilliant White material, in 2.40 CIH with a Panny 4k in CIH zoom configuration with total light control. Seating is at around 11 feet. The PJ is ISF/THX calibrated to the screen by Michael Chen of Lion AV. I am reasonably happy with it overall.
The problem I find with Carada is that they are quite limited by their choice of screen materials, and it doesn't really seem like they are going to offer more choices anytime soon. I especially find the lack of a felted back offering glaringly absent, given the light-loss by the CCW and to a smaller degree with the BW. Many other brands offer a felt backing option or just include it by default.. it's espcially surprising given their touting of their 'black hole' felt covering on the frames; you'd think they could apply it to the screen backing as well.
Beyond that their main selling point is value, but I've found somewhat with the market getting more competitive that once you start getting to their larger screen sizes the savings over another comparable brands starts to level off.
Regardless of that though both their frames and screens are of great build quality, and they (more than) make up for their shortcomings by offering fantastic service and very respectable performance. Just keep in mind the gain ratings tend to be a bit inflated.. ;)
Is choosing BW material a newer phenomenon? I don't seem to recall such an overwhelming preference for it in the past. (Maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention!)
Regardless, I bought my Carada CCW 88" screen back in '04, when I purchased my first digital projector. A Panasonic L500 720p (700 lumens). The material was more than bright enough for my light controlled room.
Especially coming from my Sony 1252 CRT. 150 pounds of raw analog power mounted with unistrut right above you, throwing 350 lumens (on a good day) onto a 70" 4:3 painted sheetrock screen.
In fact, the Panasonic looked so bright, that I came close to going with the grey material for deeper blacks. I guess, in the end, I figured 88" was small enough not to need an extra "push" from the screen with BW, and I decided to go with material with a wide viewing angle, and wouldn't affect the image to a great deal.. (Just out of curiosity, I wonder what the order percentage break down is between their screen materials.)
By the way, has anyone measured just exactly what the screen gain is with the "Classic Cinema White? After almost 8 years, I couldn't be happier with my screen. I would have chosen the criterion frame, but that wasn't yet available. I also would have tried to get the cash for the masking system. My dad went with the 96" CCW material as well.
DLP92SUCAZ 02-11-12, 10:27 PM So I just got my 120" 2.35:1 BW for use with my rs45 and I'm very impressed. I was coming from a Stewart 92" firehawk (which I was never really a fan of) and the pq is awesome!!!
Jugdish69 02-11-12, 10:33 PM New owner of an 88" carada ccw... I'm noticing vertical striations across of the screen that is most noticeable on white or very light backgrounds. Question I have is this normal and if so will it dissipate as the screen gets older?
New owner of an 88" carada ccw... I'm noticing vertical striations across of the screen that is most noticeable on white or very light backgrounds. Question I have is this normal and if so will it dissipate as the screen gets older?
I have had the exact screen as you in size and material for almost 8 years. There is a name for this anomaly, although I can't remember the term. I noticed it on my first LCD, a Panasonic L500 720p. Like you mentioned, it was noticeable to me during hockey. I believe it is a projector flaw, although the Carada screen might make it more apparent.
starmartyr 02-12-12, 11:18 AM New owner of an 88" carada ccw... I'm noticing vertical striations across of the screen that is most noticeable on white or very light backgrounds. Question I have is this normal and if so will it dissipate as the screen gets older?
I have had the exact screen as you in size and material for almost 8 years. There is a name for this anomaly, although I can't remember the term. I noticed it on my first LCD, a Panasonic L500 720p. Like you mentioned, it was noticeable to me during hockey. I believe it is a projector flaw, although the Carada screen might make it more apparent.
Interesting, I have this problem as well, but with horizontal 'striations'. I thought I was the only one! I just referred to them as lines or ridges.
I'm not sure I believe that it is the projector, as I did not have this problem at all when using a white painted screen. I get the feeling that it may be from the foam sheets it is packed with, if you notice the ridges on there as well... It may be when it is packed tightly with that the ridges are kind of imprinted onto the screen or something? Mine was packed lengthwise with the foam sheets oriented in the same direction - long sheets running end-to-end, thats why it occured to me. I've received a second screen and this one was packed the opposite way, with the screen rolled up height-wise instead of lengthwise, with short sheets of foam oriented vertically as well. It was also not packed nearly as tightly as it was just the screen itself, so I'll be able to tell if there is any difference that way.
I hope to have the screen put in this weekend, if had it for a couple weeks already but just haven't had the chance. I'll report back with what I find anyway, maybe it will help to reveal the cause.
pkarmouche 02-13-12, 01:26 AM Is there a reason why more people don't talk about the 1.0 Classic Cinema White material? Especially for black levels and viewing angles.
Owner of a CCW. Love it. The RS-55 puts enough light on it, even at 132" wide (scope) to make you wince when presented with a bright scene following a dark one.
Plus the service from Carada is first rate. I had originally purchased an EluneVision "Cinema White" screen, but found that 1. It had a tremendous amount of texture which could be visible in bright scenes and 2. It had a reflective sheen to it (despite the 1.2 rating) that could hotspot a bit depending on where you were sitting.
The guys from EluneVision stood behind their satisfaction guarantee, but it was the guidance and service from Carada that really stood out. They even modified the frame slightly to accomodate a DIY 4-way masking system I'm working on.
I've attached a few pictures of the two screen materials. Hover over the image before clicking to see the filename (description of what you are seeing). The EluneVision (EV) material is the base material underneath the Carada samples.
Paul
mariokrt64 03-16-12, 12:49 PM Re-posted from the PJ forum:
"I just bought a factory refurb JVC DLA-HD250 PJ with original 2yr factory warranty. Hope is delivered all well soon....Got a question...
I am considering a Carada brilliant 1.4 gain screen, 124 in diag., 2.35 and plan to use the zoom method. I am concerned that the image won't be bright enough, too dim. Anyone with a similar setup or a smaller Carada that works fine.. I will prefer to run it in low lamp, if possible and will like to try the 2.35 format screen.
I currently have a 100 in 16:9 elite silverframe 1.8 gain and works perfectly with my Mitsu HC6800 in low lamp, >1400 hrs."
thks
secstate 03-22-12, 09:38 AM This info helps answer the question. So it sounds like the BW is closer to 1.1 gain than 1.4...
I had a Carada BW for many years before changing over to a used Stewart Stuidiotek 1.3 gain screen. They were both great screens but the Steward was brighter for sure, no doubt. So in my opinion there is no way the Carada BW has a 1.4 gain. I'd say it is 1.0-1.1 like you state.
CrocDoc 03-22-12, 03:39 PM I had a Carada BW for many years before changing over to a used Stewart Stuidiotek 1.3 gain screen. They were both great screens but the Steward was brighter for sure, no doubt. So in my opinion there is no way the Carada BW has a 1.4 gain. I'd say it is 1.0-1.1 like you state.
I actually have the StuidioTek 1.3 now. Once I got a sample of the material from Stewart and compared it next to the BW, I knew instantly it was brighter and the colors looked better on it. The BW is great for what it is and if you can't afford the Stewart, but it is no where near the 1.3 gain of the Stuidiotek 1.3.
mariokrt64 03-27-12, 09:08 PM Can't afford the Stewart at the moment..kids College...realize its a Premium quality screen...
CrocDOc/SecState...what size was your Carada...and with which PJ...I will soon receive my JVCHD250 (factory refurb price if you wonder)....appreciate if you may be able to relate/extrapolate your experience to this PJ, if posible....thks....
gingerman 03-28-12, 10:33 AM I've only got about 25 hours on it but my Carada 106" 16x9 BW looks great. Using a JVC X30 in low lamp, iris closed almost as far down as it will go depending on the program material. Looking at the samples the CCW and BW were very similar, and I can't say the differences were easy to spot. I went with the BW figuring as the lamp ages I'll need all the brightness I can get.
Carada shipped the screen 24 hours after ordering it, it was ways to assemble and very well packaged. If you are thinking about buying one, I wouldn't hesitate to reccomend it.
mariokrt64 03-28-12, 12:48 PM I've only got about 25 hours on it but my Carada 106" 16x9 BW looks great. Using a JVC X30 in low lamp, iris closed almost as far down as it will go depending on the program material. Looking at the samples the CCW and BW were very similar, and I can't say the differences were easy to spot. I went with the BW figuring as the lamp ages I'll need all the brightness I can get.
Carada shipped the screen 24 hours after ordering it, it was ways to assemble and very well packaged. If you are thinking about buying one, I wouldn't hesitate to reccomend it.
My cocern is more regarding the brightness (FtL) I would be able to obtain from the 124 92.35:1) Carada BW and the HD 250. This screen is equivalent to a same width size aprox. 126, 16x9. Not exact numbers but you get the feel...Its a big screen to light....
gingerman 03-28-12, 02:47 PM Mariokrt64, judging by the calculator on projector central you are going to need a screen with a gain in the 2.4 range to get to a decent light level. Carada can't help you with that.
CrocDoc 03-28-12, 09:25 PM Can't afford the Stewart at the moment..kids College...realize its a Premium quality screen...
CrocDOc/SecState...what size was your Carada...and with which PJ...I will soon receive my JVCHD250 (factory refurb price if you wonder)....appreciate if you may be able to relate/extrapolate your experience to this PJ, if posible....thks....
I only have samples from Carada, I have not owned one. I have a Stewart StudioTek 130, 123" and have a Epson 5010. Let me know if you have any questions with my experiance.
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