^^
The 3806 cannot accept the "bitstreamed" HD audio, however, if you can set the BDP to PCM, the BDP will decode the HD audio and send it to the 3806 over the HDMI cable. The 2D video should pass through just fine on the cable as well.

Ok, thank you I might give it a try.:)

when using 2-channel stereo mode, with subwoofer, the crossover allows settings from 40hz to 250hz. you can also select LFE or LFE and MAINS. as there is no LFE in 2-channel what exactly is the crossover affecting? is it allowing the sub to play up to 250hz, or is it for setting the speaker crossover when setting speakers to small?

LFE:
When the fronts are set to small, frequencies below the crossover are redirected to the sub. When the fronts are set to large, nothing goes to the sub.

LFE + MAIN:
When the fronts are set to large, frequencies below the crossover are sent to the mains and to the sub. You get "double bass" for the frequencies below the crossover.

LFE:
When the fronts are set to small, frequencies below the crossover are redirected to the sub. When the fronts are set to large, nothing goes to the sub.

LFE + MAIN:
When the fronts are set to large, frequencies below the crossover are sent to the mains and to the sub. You get "double bass" for the frequencies below the crossover.


when i set parameters in the system setup, i set my mains to small, crossing them at 40 hz. i also set LFE to 120hz, as that is what the .1 channel will play up to.

does the 2-channel setup then bypass the settings for the mains, allowing a totally different crossover than 40hz to be used? to what end?

does the 2-channel setup then bypass the settings for the mains, allowing a totally different crossover than 40hz to be used? to what end?No. Why do you think that's the case?

sorry to seem so thick-headed on this...in the past i listened to stereo 2-channel with mains set to large, no sub. i want to get the subs involved now, and i just want to be clear on what the denon is doing bass management-wise in two channel. so if i understand you correctly it seems simple enuff. the speakers retain their 40hz crossover, playing down to 40hz, while the subs will play UP to whatever i set the crossover to...in this case 110hz?

sorry to seem so thick-headed on this...in the past i listened to stereo 2-channel with mains set to large, no sub. i want to get the subs involved now, and i just want to be clear on what the denon is doing bass management-wise in two channel. so if i understand you correctly it seems simple enuff. the speakers retain their 40hz crossover, playing down to 40hz, while the subs will play UP to whatever i set the crossover to...in this case 110hz?The sub will play whatever the AVR-3806 sends it. If the source is 2 channel, it will only get material below 40Hz that is redirected by bass management. If the source has an LFE channel, I believe the sub will get all LFE (which can go as high as 120Hz) along with redirected bass below the crossover from the other channels.

The sub will play whatever the AVR-3806 sends it. If the source is 2 channel, it will only get material below 40Hz that is redirected by bass management. If the source has an LFE channel, I believe the sub will get all LFE (which can go as high as 120Hz) along with redirected bass below the crossover from the other channels.

ok then...when i go to "2 channel direct/stereo" menu, i have setting as "custom", front as "small", subwoofer "yes", subwoofer mode "lfe", crossover "110hz"....

what is the crossover controlling here? is it crossing my speakers at 110hz, or is it allowing the sub to play info "UP TO" 110hz...?

The crossover setting is for the front main speakers. You can change the LPF for LFE (sub setting) in the manual setup menu 2-5.

The crossover setting is for the front main speakers. You can change the LPF for LFE (sub setting) in the manual setup menu 2-5.

thanks jd...but you can also change the speaker crossovers in that same menu, hence my confusion

Correct. The manual setup 2-5 is for the main 5.1 setup settings, while the Stereo/Direct menu you're referring to only applies to Stereo/Direct mode and apparently the sub LPF for LFE cannot be changed there, rather only the speaker crossover.

Correct. The manual setup 2-5 is for the main 5.1 setup settings, while the Stereo/Direct menu you're referring to only applies to Stereo/Direct mode and apparently the sub LPF for LFE cannot be changed there, rather only the speaker crossover.


thanks jd...that's what i was after

you da man...

lefthandluke - apologies if I misled you. I have a 3805, which lacks the separate advanced setting for 2ch Direct/Stereo added on the 3806.

I am curious about what you are trying to accomplish. Do you have a multichannel system and want a separate setup for stereo?

no sir, no apologies necessary...i thank you for taking the time to answer


i've got 6 subs...4 "true" subs and 2 hsu mbm12's...i low-pass the true subs at50hz, then the mbm's take over from 50hz up.

i just wanted to make sure what the 3806 was affecting when i changed the crossover setting in stereo/direct. i want my mains crossed at 40hz, and i want the mbm's able to play up to 110hz...

I have a 3806 running home theater 5.1 off a Moto STB via HDMI and have now obtained a pair of BA Voyager 6 speakers for the patio. The origin of the audio for the patio is going to be a computer from which I plan to stream internet radio and my home MP3 library. The computer is attached to the 3806 via optical which sounds great on the 5.1 speakers.

I have the patio speakers attached to the Zone 2 speaker out connections. Now the challenge. I can get the sound on the 5.1 to play on the patio by adding the Voyagers as "Speaker B back" but how in the world to I get them to play separate audio from the computer? :confused:

I've probably left off some important information so just ask, I'm sorry. HELP!

read here: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#multizone

and see the footnote at the bottom of pg 58 of your manual -- no digital audio to zone 2/3.

read here: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#multizone

and see the footnote at the bottom of pg 58 of your manual -- no digital audio to zone 2/3.

Thank you so for your help!

OK, I have reassigned the Surround Back amplifiers to the Zone 2 speakers. I have connected the speaker wire to the Surround Back posts (the ones closest to the edge of the Denon AVR). I have run analog cable from my computer that I have proved is producing sound on my 5.1. Still no sound on the patio.

I've got a feeling I've not got the analog stereo cables from the computer plugged into the correct jacks on the back of the AVR??? What RCA jacks do I plug the analog cable into??? I tried VCR-1. It produces sound on the 5.1 speakers, allows me to via the controller directly control the volume of Zone 2 vs. the 5.1, but still no sound on the Voyagers???

What RCA jacks do I plug the analog cable into???

it doesn't matter which one you plug into -- you just have to actually select that input for Zone 2 source. Zone 2 has independent source/volume control.

Thanks Batpig - IT WORKED!!!

Dropped a gift as well, thanks!

Cheers :) glad it worked!

it doesn't matter which one you plug into -- you just have to actually select that input for Zone 2 source. Zone 2 has independent source/volume control.

Thanks! This one tiny bit of info has restored my sanity.

btw - I've been mumbling to myself for the past 2 days that whatever Denon engineer decided that an analog signal must be passed to zone2/3 needs to have a pair of tightly fitted headphone turned to max volume with nails on a chalkboard playing for 24 hours.

btw - I've been mumbling to myself for the past 2 days that whatever Denon engineer decided that an analog signal must be passed to zone2/3 needs to have a pair of tightly fitted headphone turned to max volume with nails on a chalkboard playing for 24 hours.

better start investing in headphones because all receiver manufacturers (not just Denon) have the same restriction.

Hello All,

About a year ago, I noticed that when playing bluray movies with a DTS Master Audio soundtrack, the volume is limited to -11db. For my listening environment, it really needs to get up to -8db or so.

I'm using multichannel PCM over HDMI from a Panasonic Bluray player. I don't have this volume limitation with TrueHD or any of the older sound formats. The configuration menu confirms the volume limiter is off.

Has anyone else seen this on their 3806? Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks,

-James

Hello All,

About a year ago, I noticed that when playing bluray movies with a DTS Master Audio soundtrack, the volume is limited to -11db. For my listening environment, it really needs to get up to -8db or so.

I'm using multichannel PCM over HDMI from a Panasonic Bluray player. I don't have this volume limitation with TrueHD or any of the older sound formats. The configuration menu confirms the volume limiter is off.

Has anyone else seen this on their 3806? Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks,

-JamesI'm doing the same thing with an OPPO BDP-83, and now a BDP-93. I haven't experienced any volume limits with DTS MA soundtracks compared to TrueHD.

Have you used the volume equalizer on the input you have for the BlueRay player? If so, it seems that any boost you add to a particular input is taken away from the maximum output.

Just a thought.

Greg

Hello All,

About a year ago, I noticed that when playing bluray movies with a DTS Master Audio soundtrack, the volume is limited to -11db. For my listening environment, it really needs to get up to -8db or so.

I'm using multichannel PCM over HDMI from a Panasonic Bluray player. I don't have this volume limitation with TrueHD or any of the older sound formats. The configuration menu confirms the volume limiter is off.

Has anyone else seen this on their 3806? Any thoughts or ideas?

Thanks,

-James

New (well, the unit is used) 3806 owner here. I apologize if I'm asking something that has already been covered in the past 92-odd pages, but, if you could point me in the right direction, I'd be grateful.

I have a "universal" player (Pioneer DV47a), and have the 5.1 outputs hooked up to the EXT. IN inputs for SACD and DVD-A listening. My question: once I've run the 3806's auto setup, will the EXT. IN audio be processed according to the delays, levels, and bass-management settings calculated in auto setup (I'm not talking about Audessy MultiEQ stuff, just the delays and levels), or is the EXT. IN input treated just as an analog pass-through with no processing whatsoever, so that I'd have to configure the distances, etc. in the DV-47a and/or an external bass-management system like the Outlaw or get really odd sound? Thanks in advance.

^^
EXT IN are considered as analog pass-through only with no processing whatsoever .. simply amplification.

All digital processing, such as bass management and distances, needs to be done in the player, prior to the digital-analog conversion. Levels can, and should, be done in the Denon. That includes doing the Ext. In SW boost.

All digital processing, such as bass management and distances, needs to be done in the player, prior to the digital-analog conversion. Levels can, and should, be done in the Denon. That includes doing the Ext. In SW boost.

So, if I understand you correctly:

-- My Pioneer includes settings for speaker delay and speaker gain. I should use the settings for speaker delay, but set the speaker gain for each channel to 0.0 dB, because the 3806 will set the speaker levels based on what it calculated during auto setup...or do I have to set the levels within the 3806 manually?

-- I should use my Outlaw ICBM for bass-management before the audio gets sent to the 3806.

-- I'm still a bit fuzzy on why I would need to use the SW boost. If auto setup set the speaker levels correctly, why would I need to raise the SW level an extra amount. Or is it just for those who want "fatter" bass?

Have I got these correct, or not?

So, if I understand you correctly:

-- My Pioneer includes settings for speaker delay and speaker gain. I should use the settings for speaker delay, but set the speaker gain for each channel to 0.0 dB, because the 3806 will set the speaker levels based on what it calculated during auto setup...or do I have to set the levels within the 3806 manually?

-- I should use my Outlaw ICBM for bass-management before the audio gets sent to the 3806.You can do bass management in the player or in the Outlaw. Your choice.

I recommend leaving the output levels at 0 in the player and doing any calibration adjustments in the Denon. With the Denon, the levels done in the system setup are global and apply to all surround modes. But, you can then select a surround mode and make additional adjustments that only apply to that mode. (p42 of the manual.) Ext. In is treated like a surround mode when it comes to trimming levels. As a practical matter, you may not need to trim the analog inputs much at all. But, the Denon allows you calibrate for both digital and analog separately.

-- I'm still a bit fuzzy on why I would need to use the SW boost. If auto setup set the speaker levels correctly, why would I need to raise the SW level an extra amount. Or is it just for those who want "fatter" bass?No, this is not about "fatter bass". LFE is designed to play 10dB louder than the other channels. To prevent clipping during transmission, LFE is recorded at the same level as the full range channels and must be boosted in the processor or at the sub itself. That is true with both digital and analog. With digital, the processor software does the boost. With analog, the user has to apply it. Your Denon has a setting called SW Level on p64 of the manual. It will boost the SW in 5dB increments from +0dB to +15dB. That only applies to Ext. In and will not affect your digital calibration. +15dB is the default setting for SW Level. I have a 3805 and I set the SW Level to +10dB for Ext. In. I then fine tuned with an SPL meter and the surround mode level trims described above.

You can do bass management in the player or in the Outlaw. Your choice.

Well, actually, not my choice, since the Pioneer doesn't have bass-management functionality, hence my buying the ICBM... :)

Thanks for all your advice, which covers just about everything. Personally, I find it a little odd that auto-setup sets speaker levels for everything, but not speaker delays, but I suppose the processing involved would be a lot more complex. At any rate, there's nothing stopping me from plugging the distances detected by the 3806's speaker detection directly into the Pioneer's speaker distance menu.

Well, actually, not my choice, since the Pioneer doesn't have bass-management functionality, hence my buying the ICBM... :)Sure it does. You can set speakers to Large or Small. Small engages bass management. You may not have any control over the crossover, which is likely around 100Hz. But, it does do bass management.

Personally, I find it a little odd that auto-setup sets speaker levels for everything, but not speaker delays, but I suppose the processing involved would be a lot more complex.It does do delays for digital sources, but not for analog. Delays are done in the digital domain, which is why they have to be done in the player when using Ext. In. Your receiver could only do timing adjustments if it re-digitized the analog inputs.

Sure it does. You can set speakers to Large or Small. Small engages bass management. You may not have any control over the crossover, which is likely around 100Hz. But, it does do bass management.

Well, strangely enough, I can't seem to get the DV-47a's speaker-size menu to change the FL and FR -- they seem to be set to "large" by default, and any option to change that is grayed out; but I might be doing something wrong there.

The other thought that came to mind was that if, as you indicated, the LFE track needed to be set to somewhere around +10 dB by design, then, if you went with "small" speakers that channeled their bass to the LFE channel, any +10 dB boost would artificially boost the low-frequency component of the channels being directed to and mixed with the discrete LFE track. Is that correct, or am I mixing things up again?


It does do delays for digital sources, but not for analog. Delays are done in the digital domain, which is why they have to be done in the player when using Ext. In. Your receiver could only do timing adjustments if it re-digitized the analog inputs.

For some reason (probably a review I read long ago that didn't get things right), I understood that the 3806 did re-digitize signals from analog signals -- using 24/96 ADCs -- unless you were using "pure direct" mode. But I thought that, on most receivers that did audio processing, speaker level changes were also implemented digitally. In the 3806, are speaker level adjustments carried out in the analog domain instead?

Well, strangely enough, I can't seem to get the DV-47a's speaker-size menu to change the FL and FR -- they seem to be set to "large" by default, and any option to change that is grayed out; but I might be doing something wrong there.After a more careful reading of the manual, you are correct. L/R are locked to Large. Bass management is only possible for the center and the surrounds.

The other thought that came to mind was that if, as you indicated, the LFE track needed to be set to somewhere around +10 dB by design, then, if you went with "small" speakers that channeled their bass to the LFE channel, any +10 dB boost would artificially boost the low-frequency component of the channels being directed to and mixed with the discrete LFE track. Is that correct, or am I mixing things up again?That would also be correct - if that's all the player did when mixing in redirected bass. However, the player reduces LFE another 5dB to make room for the bass from the full range channels. And, it lowers redirected bass by 15dB prior to mixing. That maintains the proper balance between the two sources. You then need to boost the SW output by 15dB to get them back to the right level. That's why the Denon SW Level for Ext. In goes up to +15dB.

For some reason (probably a review I read long ago that didn't get things right), I understood that the 3806 did re-digitize signals from analog signals -- using 24/96 ADCs -- unless you were using "pure direct" mode. But I thought that, on most receivers that did audio processing, speaker level changes were also implemented digitally. In the 3806, are speaker level adjustments carried out in the analog domain instead?
All receivers digiitize the stereo analog inputs, except when set to a Direct mode. Only a handful of expensive AVRs digitize the multichannel analog inputs. I do not know whether output levels for digital sources are handled digitally on the 3806. But, levels for Ext. In sources are adjusted as analog.

it doesn't matter which one you plug into -- you just have to actually select that input for Zone 2 source. Zone 2 has independent source/volume control.

Ok, so before I go and pull out my system to rewire this, can you please confirm that it **is** possible for my wife to watch TV via HDMI 5.1 on one input, while **simultaneously** outputting analog 2 ch audio from my Mac Mini to another input on the Denon assigned to Zone 2? Based on what I have been reading, I was thinking on adding a mini-jack to RCA to connect the Mac Mini to the Denon.

I have a 5.1 system in the family room and 8 other speakers throughout the house hooked into a Niles speaker connector that hooks into the Denon surround back speakers output. Currently, I am only either to use 2 channel direct to play to the 8 speakers and not in the family room, or play the same sound heard in the family room over all the 5.1 system and the other 8 speakers simultaneously. In both cases, I have only been able to use one source at a time to output sound, which blows.

Yes, the whole point of zone 2 is to be able to play a different source in a different "zone".

Yes, the whole point of zone 2 is to be able to play a different source in a different "zone".

Thanks batpig. I just read your Denon-To-English Dictionary. Excellent read. I will be doing some tweaking on my system tonight! Thanks for sharing.

Hello everyone, It has been years since I have been on here, so long I forgot my login oh well, I was hoping some of you could help me out a little. After going through this thread I saw there was a firmware update that was getting rid of the hand shake problems so tonight I went ahead and did it, it went through very fast with no problems so now I have been testing for hours and it seems I still have them and now my dish 622 does not send out the hdmi to reciever and the (622) remote stopped working. I really would like to get the hdmi switching working like others with this firmware!! Here is the break down:

Dish 622--to -- via hdmi and opti
3806
Oppo 971--to-- via hdmi to dvi and opti
sometimes the panny 35 (having problems with new and rental blu rays) and sometimes the old toshiba hda-2 ( lost remote)

out to a sanyo plv-z2 via AR 15' or 20' dvi with dvi to hdmi adaptor.

So I have been dealing with this for a long time but now after the firmware I can't get signal hooking hdmi strait to dish but can oppo, componnent still fine from dish... any help would be great I was hoping tonight all would be fixed and now it seems I have more work!

Have you tried a direct hook-up between the device and the HDTV? Does that work reliably? Could a cable be loose?

Have you tried turning on the devices in different orders, and with a pause between each device, to see if that helps? I would suggest first the TV, then the 3806, and finally the video source. Check that the 3806 has selected the correct video input before powering up the video source as well.

I have reliably hooked a Pany Blue Ray, a Toshiba HD-DVD and other devices through my 3806. And I still have the old firmware. I use a Harmony universal remote to power everything up, and it does it in the same order, and with the same pauses each time.

Greg

Hello everyone, It has been years since I have been on here, so long I forgot my login oh well, I was hoping some of you could help me out a little. After going through this thread I saw there was a firmware update that was getting rid of the hand shake problems so tonight I went ahead and did it, it went through very fast with no problems so now I have been testing for hours and it seems I still have them and now my dish 622 does not send out the hdmi to reciever and the (622) remote stopped working. I really would like to get the hdmi switching working like others with this firmware!! Here is the break down:

Dish 622--to -- via hdmi and opti
3806
Oppo 971--to-- via hdmi to dvi and opti
sometimes the panny 35 (having problems with new and rental blu rays) and sometimes the old toshiba hda-2 ( lost remote)

out to a sanyo plv-z2 via AR 15' or 20' dvi with dvi to hdmi adaptor.

So I have been dealing with this for a long time but now after the firmware I can't get signal hooking hdmi strait to dish but can oppo, componnent still fine from dish... any help would be great I was hoping tonight all would be fixed and now it seems I have more work!

Well before the update I could hook the cable directly to the 622 and it would work now no go.. and the remote no go.. makes me wonder if I was suppose to unhook all hdmi devices from it before I ran the update. I can run through component for that one for now but I wonder if doing the update while connected could have hurt the 622.

At first I thought it might have fixed it with the dvd but after testing and switching between sources no go have to sometimes wait for projector to fully cycle off and back on and that can take a while lots of blue screen ... have tryed different orders ( not sure about the puase's though) but never could figure one that fixed it. s there a solid fix for the handshaking? Would getting a new pj possibly fix ( not sure wich device is the actual problem) the problem? For the last couple years I have sent my kids down to turn it on 20 min ahead to let it get all synced quite the drag!!

Sorry, I don't have any other ideas about the firmware update for the 3806. I don't see why having the HDMI connected during the update should have hurt your 622. Is there a way to Master Reset it? I would try that.

Greg

Well before the update I could hook the cable directly to the 622 and it would work now no go.. and the remote no go.. makes me wonder if I was suppose to unhook all hdmi devices from it before I ran the update. I can run through component for that one for now but I wonder if doing the update while connected could have hurt the 622.

At first I thought it might have fixed it with the dvd but after testing and switching between sources no go have to sometimes wait for projector to fully cycle off and back on and that can take a while lots of blue screen ... have tryed different orders ( not sure about the puase's though) but never could figure one that fixed it. s there a solid fix for the handshaking? Would getting a new pj possibly fix ( not sure wich device is the actual problem) the problem? For the last couple years I have sent my kids down to turn it on 20 min ahead to let it get all synced quite the drag!!

That's ok, I will figure out the 622 some how, just really need to get this hdmi handshake problem fixed! Have you heard of any other way to fix it?




Sorry, I don't have any other ideas about the firmware update for the 3806. I don't see why having the HDMI connected during the update should have hurt your 622. Is there a way to Master Reset it? I would try that.

Greg

Trying to get 3D set up on a new 3D tv and player.....having problems. Can someone pls help me. Will 3D signal pass through:

Panny 3D player > 3806 > Panny 3D TV

With current setup the player does not recognize the 3D tv - so, won't play the 3D disc.

Will be double checking the cables, just wanting to confirm 3806 pass through.

Thls!
Ken

the answer is NO it will not pass through.

Trying to get 3D set up on a new 3D tv and player.....having problems. Can someone pls help me. Will 3D signal pass through:

Panny 3D player > 3806 > Panny 3D TV

With current setup the player does not recognize the 3D tv - so, won't play the 3D disc.

Will be double checking the cables, just wanting to confirm 3806 pass through.

Thls!
Ken

You'll need to upgrade to either an HDMI 1.4a AVR (Denon XX11 or XX12) or purchase a dual HDMI 1.4a BDP.

Or hook the player directly to the TV via HDMI and hook the Digital Sound output from the source directly to the receiver. That is what I do.

right, but the point of the dual HDMI players is that you still get HD audio tracks on Blu-ray. With the method you describe you are restricted to the standard "lossy" legacy audio tracks. Not a huge difference, but for audio enthusiasts the dual HDMI player may be worth the extra cost.

You'll need to upgrade to either an HDMI 1.4a AVR (Denon XX11 or XX12) or purchase a dual HDMI 1.4a BDP.

would a splitter work? sending one signal to the 3806 and one signal to the TV?

thks
ken

^^
AFAIK, none have worked to date as they always revert to the lowest level device's video/audio capability ... in this case only 2D from the 3806.

^^
AFAIK, none have worked to date as they always revert to the lowest level device's video/audio capability ... in this case only 2D from the 3806.

sorry - what about........

3D player > splitter> one to 3806 (audio) and one to TV (for 3D)?

a splitter would be less expensive than a dual HDMI output BDP.

^^ As jdsmoothie said, the HDMI negotiation with the 3806 also limits the output to the TV. A splitter will not pass one version to the receiver and a different one to the TV.

Hi all
I currently have an AVR-3806 and have had an Apple TV 2 for Christmas.

I have the Apple TV connected as follows:-

HDMI for video from ATV2 to 3806
Digital out from ATV2 to 3806

I have AAC, DTS and AC3 all set as passthrough on the ATV2 but I am still experiencing video and audio stutter when watching 720p movies.

Can anyone please help me??? I am pretty new to all of this so any help would be appreicated.

Thanks in advance
mikeh71

Dear Friends: My AVR-3806 is connected to an BDP-S780 blu-ray player using HDMI connection. When I listen to blu-ray HD audio formats converted to PCM, the receiver indicates the reception of multichannel PCM signals without problems. On the other hand, when I listen to SACDs (DSD converted to PCM), the receiver indicates only the reception of two channels 176.4 kHz PCM, no matter I set the player output to stereo or multichannel. When I set the player to play a multichannel SACD, its display indicates multichannel, but the receiver indicates only two channels. All the settings in the player and in the receiver are correct. I think it's some AVR-3806 limitation. Is there anyone facing the same problem with its AVR-3806? Thank you.

I believe your 3806 is HDMI 1.1 so it does not support DSD over HDMI. I researched a lot of this when I was looking at updating my Denon 2802 and ended up with a Denon 2809 and (2) 3808's for this support. I think if you were to set your Blu Ray player to output PCM for SACD instead of DSD you would get surround. Here is a discussion I found regarding the issue with an additional link to this forum. Good luck.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-194382.html

I believe your 3806 is HDMI 1.1 so it does not support DSD over HDMI. I researched a lot of this when I was looking at updating my Denon 2802 and ended up with a Denon 2809 and (2) 3808's for this support. I think if you were to set your Blu Ray player to output PCM for SACD instead of DSD you would get surround. Here is a discussion I found regarding the issue with an additional link to this forum. Good luck.

http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/archive/index.php/t-194382.html

Dear mrcarnut: You are right about HDMI 1.1. The AVR-3806 receives DSD signals only using its proprietary Denon Link conection. This is the reason why I’m converting DSD to PCM in the player. The player converts HD audio formats to PCM multichannel and the AVR-3806 receives without any problem (up to 7.1 channels). On the other hand, when I try to convert DSD to PCM using HDMI, the AVR-3806 indicates only two channel reception (the player indicates its sending multichannel PCM). Thank you.

if SACD performance is a big priority, you might want to grab a used Denon player with DenonLink3. With everything moving to Blu-ray nowadays I'm sure you can find such a player on the used market for a nice price.

that said, you SHOULD be able to get multichannel PCM over HDMI so I am skeptical that "all settings are correct" on the player as you indicated. There is nothing on the 3806 that would prevent multich PCM from coming in so maybe you should keep digging, perhaps check with other owners of your Sony player?

if SACD performance is a big priority, you might want to grab a used Denon player with DenonLink3. With everything moving to Blu-ray nowadays I'm sure you can find such a player on the used market for a nice price.

that said, you SHOULD be able to get multichannel PCM over HDMI so I am skeptical that "all settings are correct" on the player as you indicated. There is nothing on the 3806 that would prevent multich PCM from coming in so maybe you should keep digging, perhaps check with other owners of your Sony player?

Dear batpig: I have a DVD-2930 connected to my AVR-3806 with Denon Link. My problem is to find the reason why the AVR-3806 doesn’t recognize multichannel DSD signals converted to PCM by the BDP-S780. I sent questions to BDP-S780 forum but I think it's not a very interesting topic. I also sent this question to the Sony support, but the answer was very obvious (check the correct settings in the player) and not effective. Thank you for your answer.

^^
If the 3806 is indicating a stereo signal, that is what it's receiving. As others have noted, it's likely either an issue with the Sony BDP or the disc itself. Do you have other SACD discs that you can test?

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If the 3806 is indicating a stereo signal, that is what it's receiving. As others have noted, it's likely either an issue with the Sony BDP or the disc itself. Do you have other SACD discs that you can test?

jdsmoothie: Yes, I tested several SACDs with both stereo and multichannel areas. In my opinion, it can be some problem related to the player firmware, but I'm not sure. Thank you.

Hi all
I currently have an AVR-3806 and have had an Apple TV 2 for Christmas.

I have the Apple TV connected as follows:-

HDMI for video from ATV2 to 3806
Digital out from ATV2 to 3806

I have AAC, DTS and AC3 all set as passthrough on the ATV2 but I am still experiencing video and audio stutter when watching 720p movies.

Can anyone please help me??? I am pretty new to all of this so any help would be appreicated.

Thanks in advance
mikeh71

mikeh71: I don't know ATV2 but I have an WDTV Live connected to my AVR-3806 using HDMI and I can watch videos with resolution up 1080p without any problems. On the other hand, sometimes I have some pauses when trying to stream videos directly from Internet, but its a network limitation. Is it your problem?

Dear Friends: My AVR-3806 is connected to an BDP-S780 blu-ray player using HDMI connection. When I listen to blu-ray HD audio formats converted to PCM, the receiver indicates the reception of multichannel PCM signals without problems. On the other hand, when I listen to SACDs (DSD converted to PCM), the receiver indicates only the reception of two channels 176.4 kHz PCM, no matter I set the player output to stereo or multichannel. When I set the player to play a multichannel SACD, its display indicates multichannel, but the receiver indicates only two channels. All the settings in the player and in the receiver are correct. I think it's some AVR-3806 limitation. Is there anyone facing the same problem with its AVR-3806? Thank you.

I'm pretty sure the receiver doesn't support a sampling rate that high for multi-channel PCM.

Hi,

For 7.1 playback, I would like to connect my Oppo-93 to the 7.1 EXT. IN channels on the 3806. Are there any disadvantages to doing that, as opposed to getting the 7.1 PCM sound over HDMI? (I think) I noticed two in the manual:

• When the input mode is set to the external input (EXT. IN), the surround mode (DIRECT, STEREO, STANDARD, 7CH STEREO, WIDE SCREEN or DSP SIMULATION) cannot be set.

• The audio delay setting does not apply when playing in the EXT. IN mode or in the analog input direct mode or stereo mode (Front speaker setting “Large” TONE DEFEAT “ON” and Room EQ “OFF”).

Are there any others? Like not being able to get 7.1 PLIIx out of 5.1 sources when using EXT. IN? I couldn't figure that out from the various tables in the manual.

The reason I don't want the LPCM over HDMI is, I have the old firmware which doesn't support 7.1 LPCM over HDMI, and I don't want to take the risk of bricking it while upgrading. Though I have a 7.1 speaker setup, almost all the media I have has only 5.1 audio. I have only started thinking of 7.1 audio since I got myself a blu-ray player recently.

Thanks,
Saurav.

ps: This is my first post here, though I have been lurking for quite a while now. Read a lot, learnt a lot, and enjoyed a lot. Thank you all.